--- Log for 30.01.107 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 7 days and 9 hours ago 00.00.00 # i meant the exponent, but i just realized 1*4 is also 4 ;) 00.00.29 # Meh, and you aren't midkay 00.00.39 # Too many mi... nicks ;) 00.01.05 Quit spiorf_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.01.36 # LinusN: Btw, I'm not sure whether this causes a visible effect, but without testing we won't find out 00.02.02 # i guess it would make us sleep better :-) 00.02.07 # MMCs >1GB have block sizes of 1KB, >2GB have block sizes of 2KB 00.02.19 # aha 00.02.20 # So the MMC driver needs to cache blocks anyway 00.02.39 Part gilligan_ ("Leaving") 00.02.57 # This is similar to what I suggested for the large ata sectors, but still somewhat different in that the filesystem is still based on 512-byte sectors 00.03.19 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@rockbox/administrator/Llorean) 00.03.42 Quit dune2 ("Sleep in progress ... please, wait a while during dreams syncing ...") 00.04.10 Part n1s 00.04.36 # However, the internal flash has plain 512 byte blocks, and I think that MMCs >4GB (MMC 4.2 standard) can have 512 byte blocks as well because the block count isn't limited by the CSD format anymore 00.05.18 # oh 00.05.31 Quit Wiwie (No route to host) 00.05.46 Quit Vyrus001 ("Leaving") 00.05.47 # The MMC protocol and CSD format (up to MMC4.1) is rather short-sighted 00.06.01 # what a surprise :-) 00.06.25 # It uses byte addressing with a 32 bit address, and the block count encoding also limits it to <4GB (what a coincidence) 00.06.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.06.57 # MMC4.0 introduces and EXT_CSD, and MMC4.2 puts the block count there (don't know the format yet) and introduces block addressing 00.07.00 Join justjohnny68 [0] (n=rhorning@pool-141-157-44-254.balt.east.verizon.net) 00.07.11 # a/and/an/ 00.07.17 # Blargh 00.07.24 # * amiconn hopes you get what I mean 00.07.48 # i did, so most likely LinusN did too :) 00.08.18 # So MMC4.2 is good for up to 2TB (with 512-byte blocks) 00.09.22 # * LinusN understood 00.09.49 # amiconn: so do you want me to rewrite the buffering logic? 00.09.56 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b7a6e.ucd.ie) 00.13.26 Quit Redbreva (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.13.46 # Hmm, not sure. Might be good to compare results... 00.14.14 Part TrueJournals 00.14.17 # I think that on hdd target buffering multiple sectors is always better, especially with optimised transfers 00.15.49 # ok, i'll change the code 00.16.38 # I guess you need to do a similar thing with the fat sectors? 00.16.49 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.17.02 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B958A1.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.17.09 # amiconn: the fat cache, yes 00.19.23 # * amiconn wonders what a typical dir size might be (in sectors) 00.19.45 # Reading multiple sectors saves some overhead... 00.19.50 Join rotator [0] (n=e@rockbox/developer/rotator) 00.20.11 Join safetydan [0] (i=cbca159f@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 00.20.31 # * amiconn unzips a fresh build to his Ondio FM 00.23.35 # wish there was AM radio stations on the internet 00.23.41 # akc mt 00.24.02 # LinusN: Umm, looks like you introduced a bug... 00.24.02 # you know internet radio is not transmitted over fm right? ;) 00.24.13 # amiconn: damn 00.24.20 # I see several filenames twice, e.g. in "Browse plugins" 00.24.26 # ouch 00.24.53 # is that right Mikachu? 00.24.53 # When checking from the PC, they aren't doubled 00.25.13 # The file system is error free 00.25.16 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.194.116) 00.25.20 # there's this radio station on AM (610 Coast 2 Coast), would be great to have it on PC lol 00.25.24 # * preglow resets the bug stupidity meter and awaits 00.25.28 # amiconn: not good - i tested on h100 and fmrec 00.25.48 Quit ender` (" The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it.") 00.26.57 # LinusN: To be precise, I see 3 plugins listed twice: blackjack.rock, random_folder_advance_config.rock and test_disk.rock 00.27.28 # ouch 00.27.39 # it looks fine on my targets 00.28.18 # No plugin is missing. 47 *.rock files, 50 listed in "Browse plugins" 00.28.28 # then i guess i'd better revert that change and test some more 00.28.57 # can i over charge my ipob battrery or will the rockbox firmware stop the chargeing when its full? 00.29.32 # the ipod has a hardware charging chip 00.29.44 # Ahhh thats good 00.30.00 # I can sleep ok tonight then 00.30.24 # ircreader now stores settings 00.30.39 # ircreader? 00.30.46 # http://www.rockbox.org/irc/reader.pl 00.31.10 # a little thing I've whipped up after having read the logs more than normally :) 00.31.15 # Can somebody help me with pluginlib_actions.h? I do not understand the LAST_PLUGINLIB_ACTION thing. 00.31.19 # fancy 00.31.56 # arbitrarily chosen colours or what? 00.31.58 # the _pre thing is not working anymore to prevent repeated actions when I use pluginlib_actions.h 00.32.08 # preglow: yes, randomised 00.32.50 # I'll play with some sort of hash to keep them persistent 00.32.57 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 00.33.52 # JdGordon: can you help me with the PLA routines (your name is in the file :-P )? 00.34.08 # yeah 00.34.11 # there's one in nickcolor.pl but it only has to keep track of 14 colors so it's probably not good enough 00.34.13 # im half asleep tho :p 00.34.15 # LinusN: Hmm, found some more folders where files are listed twice :( 00.34.27 # amiconn: i'm reverting the commit 00.35.00 # JdGordon: I want to prevent repeated actions, so I save my button in button_pre but it does not work 00.35.18 # JdGordon: Can i use LAST_PLUGINLIB_ACTION instead? 00.35.24 # LinusN: I wonder what's going on there... 00.35.31 # amiconn: me too 00.35.56 # it could be bad handling of deleted files or something 00.35.57 # I only get this behaviour on the internal flash (which is fat16, but since this is not in the root dir I don't see why that should matter) 00.36.06 # mattzz: LAST_PLA doesnt return the last value.... its just a placeholder... 00.36.09 # how me your code 00.36.13 # ...and it happens in a whole bunch of dirs 00.36.49 # amiconn: in any case, i have reverted the changes, so we can debug it in peace 00.36.50 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 00.37.02 # scorche: awake? 00.38.02 # JdGordon: http://mattzz.dyndns.org/twiki/pub/Projects/RockboxMemoryMonitor/mem_mon.c 00.38.28 # JdGordon: l. 346 00.38.37 # ok 00.40.29 # ok, whats the problem? (apart from button_curr being unintitialised :P ) 00.41.57 # JdGordon: when I press and hold MEM_MON_MODE (=PLA_FIRE_REPEAT) the if-statement in line 348 is true. Thus the function is repeatedly entered :-/ 00.42.33 # JdGordon: I dont understand how this can be, because button_prev should equal button_curr then. 00.42.58 # why dont you remove the PLA_FIRE_REPEAT from MEM_MN_MODE? 00.43.40 # thats odd tho 00.43.45 # Because I need this "key" to switch the mode. PLA_FIRE has a different action than PLA_FIRE_REPEAT. 00.43.58 # ah 00.44.20 # when I print out button_prev, it is always zero ... o_O 00.44.39 # well, the only thing that looks odd is you dont set button_prev to ACTION_NONE to start with' 00.44.40 # button_curr = ox6e 00.44.48 # LinusN: The entries in question don't even cross sector boundaries (checked with winhex) - very puzzling... 00.45.25 # Two of them are located in the same sector 00.45.57 # is there a hack to change the scoll speed on an ipod? 00.46.22 # JdGordon: it used to work before I switched to PLA, which is odd 00.46.40 # of course :p 00.46.46 # blame it on the pla... :p 00.46.58 # * JdGordon woke up 10min ago... so is still out of it 00.47.01 # is there an ok hack to change the scoll speed on an ipod? 00.48.16 # mattzz: have you tried putting some DEBUGF() 's in to watch what happens to the button_ vairables while ts running? 00.48.28 # youll have to run it in the sim to do that tho 00.48.55 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.201.229) 00.48.59 # how do I use DEBUGF()? 00.49.31 Quit barrywardell () 00.49.57 # LinusN: "Show all" makes /.rockbox/rocks show some more duplicated entries, for a total of 9 00.50.18 # (things like brickmania.score, sudoku.ss etc) 00.50.19 Quit CriamosAndy ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 00.50.22 # mattzz: exactly like printf... it outputs to the console in the sim 00.50.32 # great! 00.52.12 # is there an ok hack to change the scoll speed on an ipod? 00.52.21 # sorry to repeat. 00.53.30 Part Llorean 00.53.40 # LinusN: Very suspicious: All these 9 entries are located within one sector pair. I mean, *all* entries of this sector pair are shown twice 00.53.46 # (but deleted entries aren't shown) 00.54.01 # very interesting 00.57.16 # JdGordon: OK, I found the reason. Can I use pluginlib_getaction in a blocking way? 00.57.37 # yes, one of the params whould be a timeout 00.57.38 Quit kclaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.57.40 Join _kclaf [0] (i=kclaf@crj95-3-82-237-150-15.fbx.proxad.net) 00.57.42 # shoudl* 00.57.47 Nick _kclaf is now known as kclaf (i=kclaf@crj95-3-82-237-150-15.fbx.proxad.net) 00.57.55 # use TIMEOUT_BLOCK 00.59.17 # JdGordon: yup, works like a charm! Thanks very much for debugging my code! 00.59.28 # :) no problem 00.59.50 # just a note.. you have to change the tabs to 4 spaces or it wont get commited :p 01.00.13 # .... rb coding guidlines 01.00.20 Join Thundercloud__ [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.193.202) 01.00.20 # JdGordon: good hint, I will untabbify my source code immediately! 01.00.25 # LinusN: Same in another dir: all entries within one sector pair are shown twice - even those which don't have longname entries 01.01.30 # LinusN: Maybe the end check is wrong if the dir spans an odd number of sectors? 01.02.19 Join fasmaie [0] (i=1000@cpe-65-24-91-251.columbus.res.rr.com) 01.03.27 # Nah, can't be, this dir is 4 sectors long 01.03.38 # (it's /.rockbox in case that matters) 01.04.01 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 01.04.23 # But the duplicated entries are in the last pair 01.04.26 # hrm... stkov dircache 01.04.39 # safetydan: people seem to be getting that somewhat often of late 01.04.55 # with the latest build too 01.05.08 # looks like I picked a bad time to upgrade since I also have the one before LinusN's revert 01.05.15 # * safetydan hunts for a paperclip 01.05.30 # amiconn: that's a clue 01.06.43 # oh goody, now I can't boot without getting stkov. Time to turn off dircache 01.07.17 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 01.08.25 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.08.32 # colours are now "hashed" (rgb = the lowest four bits of first, last and middle char) 01.08.47 # amiconn: what exactly is the xlcd lib? grayscale framework only? i get a data abort when i try to use it on my color target (iPod 5G) 01.08.49 # seems to work fairly ok 01.09.08 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B96726.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.09.15 # midkay: No, xlcd are extended lcd functions for the standard driver 01.09.26 # ok, i'll sleep on this 01.09.28 # nite all 01.09.31 # nite 01.09.40 # hrm. xlcd_filltriangle crashes rockbox. 01.09.44 # (scrolling and filled triangles) 01.09.49 Part LinusN 01.09.55 Quit KCC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.10.04 # midkay: Does cube.rock crash on the G5? 01.10.15 # not last i checked. 01.10.28 # nope. 01.10.31 # Then I guess you're doing sth wrong 01.10.49 # Do you call xlcd_init() before using xlcd_* functions? 01.10.57 # oops. :) 01.11.22 # someone should make a torus.rock, complete with gourad and phake phong shading :) 01.11.24 # i guess i should just call that when the plugin initializes, right? 01.11.26 # that would rock 01.11.37 # phake/fake... 01.12.19 Quit Thundercloud_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.17.18 # phake was phun ;) 01.17.59 Quit tamacracker (Remote closed the connection) 01.19.16 Quit entheh ("^~") 01.19.23 # amiconn: ok, it works. thanks. 01.19.44 # unfortunately not really a good solution.. 01.20.33 # * preglow out 01.24.27 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.192.155) 01.29.13 Quit kclaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.29.42 Quit fasmaie (Remote closed the connection) 01.29.53 # preglow: someone just did some measurement.. the Gigabeat draws about the same current at 100MHz as 300MHz!! 01.32.51 Quit Thundercloud__ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01.33.09 # markun: With 100% load in both cases? 01.33.14 # (i.e. no sleep() ) 01.34.44 Part EbErT 01.35.46 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 01.38.05 # amiconn: yes, running the plasma plugin 01.38.26 # or would the mpegplayer without limit be better? 01.40.00 Quit mattzz ("Leaving") 01.44.50 Quit dpassen1 (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.49.53 Join dpassen1 [0] (n=dpassen1@resnet-236-163.resnet.UMBC.EDU) 01.52.58 Quit twist (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.54.58 Join Brunellus_ [0] (n=luigi@unaffiliated/brunellus) 01.57.31 Quit caitsith_2 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.57.31 Quit Doomed (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.57.54 Join Doomed_9 [0] (n=doomed@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net) 01.58.06 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.215.239) 01.59.08 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@rockbox/administrator/Llorean) 02.00.27 Part safetydan 02.01.07 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.188.29) 02.06.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.08.59 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 02.09.11 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.09.11 Quit justjohnny68 ("Leaving.") 02.09.18 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B97AA4.dip.t-dialin.net) 02.10.17 Join shnee [0] (n=CurtyD13@cblmdm72-241-107-50.buckeyecom.net) 02.11.36 Join justjohnny68 [0] (n=rhorning@pool-141-157-44-254.balt.east.verizon.net) 02.14.54 Quit muesli- ("ich will Kühe!!!") 02.15.30 Quit preglow (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.15.30 NSplit kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 02.15.43 Join webguest10 [0] (i=430a49f9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-224b1e6b4202fa89) 02.15.54 NHeal kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 02.15.54 NJoin preglow [0] (n=thomjoha@rockbox/developer/preglow) 02.17.00 Quit efyx (Remote closed the connection) 02.17.16 Quit Genre9mp3 () 02.17.53 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.18.56 # I have a Gigabeat F60 with the 20070128 build w/album art patch. I've noticed that with this build I get serious noise/distortion when enabling the eq. Has anyone else seen this? 02.20.41 # Do you get the same problem with an official (unpatched) build? 02.21.04 Join Abcminiuser [0] (n=dean_cam@ppp36FB.dsl.pacific.net.au) 02.21.37 # linuxstb: how's the default wps patch and compressed wps patch going? 02.21.50 # i'll try 02.22.13 # webguest10: Make sure you're using the preamp properly, to lower the gain an equal amount to the highest raised band. 02.23.51 # XavierGr: Nothing more than what's on the patch tracker. I would like to remove the limitation concerning file ordering in the tar file though. 02.29.16 Quit atsea-196 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.29.53 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC") 02.30.17 # linuxstb, amiconn: i have a possibility for detecting the difference between power brick and computer on ipods...check UOG_OTGSC bit 9 02.30.24 # it works on my h10 at least 02.30.41 # linuxstb: any commit plans? 02.31.18 # barrywardell: oohh... I can test on the nano if you want 02.32.14 # JdGordon: yes, sure. go ahead. the mem_mon plugin in the tracker might be of use...address 0xc50001a4 02.32.36 # or just use the UOG_OTGSC define in usb-target.h 02.32.37 # Llorean, Linuxstb: I can reproduce the symptoms with the latest official build. I'm playing a song, nav to simply turn the eq on, and bamm noise/distortion. 02.32.59 # :( i was hopeing for just a patch to compile and dump on to test... 02.33.05 # webguest10: And you have EQ settings that shouldn't cause distortion set? 02.33.14 Join illriginal [0] (n=tamacrac@c-67-191-48-48.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 02.33.38 # Ouch 02.33.45 # I would say yes only because, since I had to switch the battery off, everything is set to default. 02.33.49 # I don't get "distortion", so much as "Noises inducing physical pain" 02.33.57 # JdGordon: FS#6586 02.34.06 # Switching the battery off doesn't reset Rockbox's settings, since they're a file on disk 02.34.18 # linuxstb_: There's *definitely* an EQ problem here. 02.34.18 # lol, I'm just glad I'm not the only one. 02.34.39 # linuxstb_: LS only, it seems 02.34.43 # yeah, I forgot that was implemented. but no, it's flat. 02.34.45 # JdGordon: compile that plugin, then navigate to the address i mentioned 02.35.08 # ok, waiting for my ~ to finish backing up.. then i can do it 02.35.28 # linuxstb_: Scratch that, for some reason adjusting bands other than the LS don't update when you adjust them. =/ 02.35.34 Quit capsaicin () 02.35.37 # The EQ is just very problematic it seems. 02.36.07 # .. the patch doesnt patch SOURCES! :'( 02.36.19 Join atsea-196 [0] (i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-e8e5621b45920d08) 02.36.40 # JdGordon: you can hang on a sec and i'll have a nice build for you ;) 02.37.03 # dw, its building... 02.37.15 # well, my job is done. the right people know about the problem. let me know if there's something I can do. thnx 02.37.41 # webguest10: You should still file a proper bug report. 02.37.54 # doesnt it say something about this not being the place to file bug reports in the title? 02.38.02 # There's no guarantee word will get to someone who can fix it, but bug reports actually stay around. 02.38.20 # JdGordon: Only did for about 5 minutes. 02.38.25 # oh ok 02.38.34 # its too long so its off the window :p 02.38.39 # will do. I wanted to post here in case others already knew about it and just didn't file the bug report. 02.39.05 # webguest10: For every bug, there should be a bug report if it's definitely a bug. 02.40.48 # JdGordon: no...that was voted off 02.42.19 # barrywardell: ok, im at the memory locatino.... what am i checking? 02.42.56 # grr! it doesnt ignore the usb connectino 02.43.21 # it should be 0031... with nothing connected 02.43.31 # 002D with computer 02.43.39 # 002F with power brick 02.44.14 # JdGordon: I have a patch for the usb driver you can just test instead if you want? 02.44.33 # that would be better :) 02.44.48 # Llorean: I read that you recently acquired a Gigabeat. Are you able to reproduce the symptoms on other platforms? 02.45.08 # JdGordon: http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/ipod-charger.patch 02.45.28 # see if it ignores the power brick connection, but still detects real usb connection 02.45.37 Quit Abcminiuser ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 02.46.10 # webguest10: I'll go try 02.47.10 Quit BiptoN (Remote closed the connection) 02.49.52 # barrywardell: nup, its ignoring the computer connection 02.49.55 # webguest10: Works fine on my H120 02.51.30 Join BiptoN [0] (n=BiptoN@dsl092-050-020.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 02.51.38 # Llorean: cool, I just say it's GB specific and that it wasn't produced on an H120. 02.52.03 # JdGordon: It is? that's disappointing. It works perfectly on my H10. I'm even using an ipod power brick with it! 02.53.04 # that mem_ pluging doesnt update the screen enough 02.54.07 # with nothing plugged its 00113d5f with the brick its 000d3d5f and usb is the same 02.55.17 # good evening to all 02.55.21 Part webguest10 02.59.00 Quit Thundercloud_ (Remote closed the connection) 03.01.32 # JdGordon: hmmm. with those values it shouldn't ignore either the brick or usb 03.01.45 Join fasmaie [0] (i=1000@cpe-65-24-91-251.columbus.res.rr.com) 03.02.01 # btw.... there was 0's after the f's but i got lazy 03.02.23 # what you wrote is all that's relevant 03.02.47 # :) 03.03.19 Quit fasmaie (Remote closed the connection) 03.05.50 Nick BHSPitMonkey is now known as BHSPitmonkey (n=stephen@adsl-65-69-154-162.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 03.05.54 Nick BHSPitmonkey is now known as BHSPitMonkey (n=stephen@adsl-65-69-154-162.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 03.06.13 # JdGordon: i don't see why it's ignoring the connections. it should only do so if you get something like 000f3d5f. the middle f is the important one (ie. bit 9) 03.06.22 Nick BHSPitMonkey is now known as BHSPitLappy (n=stephen@adsl-65-69-154-162.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 03.07.09 # that was with the patched usb-pp.c also 03.08.10 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 03.09.18 # i wonder if it works on any of the ipods. 03.11.58 Quit illriginal (Remote closed the connection) 03.14.46 Quit atsea-196 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.16.26 # amiconn_: around? 03.17.14 Join safetydan [0] (i=cbca159f@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 03.18.01 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.18.01 # man the eq is stuffed 03.18.15 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B9758A.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.18.17 # any deviation from flat and the music starts skipping 03.19.42 # but wait, now it works fine 03.19.45 # weird 03.22.11 # safetydan: The EQ is really stuffed on Gigabeat right now 03.22.49 # this was on a h120 03.23.38 # It worked fine on my H120 with the most recent SVN build 03.23.48 Join Brunellus__ [0] (n=luigi@ip68-100-19-67.dc.dc.cox.net) 03.24.19 # I'm using the one before the latest (i.e. the one before the fat.c revert) 03.24.27 # no wait, it is the latest now 03.25.03 Quit Brunellus_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 03.25.20 # I dunno. I had no problems with it, though I didn't do prolonged testing 03.25.22 # bah now I can't reproduce it 03.25.49 # Since the EQ was majorly stuffed the instant you moved the LS on the Gigabeat, I just tested the LS and a middle band for a few seconds, then said "Okay, it doesn't have the problem my gigabeat does." 03.26.42 # That was basically the problem I had. I enabled the EQ, tweaked the LS down 0.5 dB and the music started skipping. Set it to 0 dB skipping stops. 03.26.53 # Might be something the graphical screen is doing funny 03.27.59 Join atsea-196 [0] (i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-1f3d6f7d81f32d28) 03.28.00 # When I tweaked it, it wasn't skipping so much as ear destroying shrieking. 03.28.07 # very strange that I can't repeat it now 03.28.20 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 03.28.26 # Though it did *involve* skipping, and some of the original audio. 03.28.34 # There was just a lot of other stuff too. Bad stuff. 03.29.11 # It sounds like it *might* be the same bug but with slightly different symptoms on different targets. 03.29.38 Join scubacoles [0] (n=scoles@eth4699.sa.adsl.internode.on.net) 03.30.12 # That's kinda what I'm thinking too. 03.32.08 # dsp.c and eq.c haven't changed in weeks so it's not something there 03.33.40 # I wonder if a builder before January 26 would work. That was the last time playback.c changed, though the comment says "no functional changes" 03.35.02 Quit Llorean ("Leaving.") 03.35.05 # 12120? 03.35.37 Quit inversions (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03.36.09 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.36.09 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 03.36.37 # Soap, actually the one before that 03.36.51 # well, I mean, the last build that didn't include the changes from 12120 03.38.23 # poop. ;) 12120 broke kernel on COP #6, and kernel on COP #7 + 12120 = bad mojo all around - so not knowing if KoCOP#7 or 12120 is the bad boy... 03.39.09 Join phrozen77_ [0] (n=phrozen7@pD9EC63A4.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.39.32 # I guess, If your problems are related to 12120, and KoCOP#7 is a clean sync...then all fingers point to 12120 inadventantly doing more than "code police and comment cleanup" 03.41.10 # Well it's just a guess at the moment. 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09.40.08 Quit zefie (Remote closed the connection) 09.41.53 Join zefie [0] (i=proxy@24-105-220-68.cm.mhcable.com) 09.42.35 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.42.41 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B9682F.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.42.43 Join JdGordon [0] (i=dced3920@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4ad7baff817415d3) 09.44.12 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc3-rdng11-0-0-cust229.winn.cable.ntl.com) 09.46.44 # * Bagder removed DaurnImator from twiki now 09.46.58 # o.o 09.47.14 # JdGordon: something like this is already in svn right? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4929 09.47.23 # Bagder: there is something wrong with the location of this wiki page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatPortPins 09.47.27 # if you're twiki'ing - how do you feel about fixing my associated email address Bagder? So I can reset my password ? 09.47.49 # it says "Main/" instead of "Main" in the patch 09.47.51 # path 09.48.08 # oh 09.48.22 # Mikachu: ah that.. no that patch was to actually get plgins using the lib stuff.. it probably stilll would work 09.48.39 # JdGordon: hm okay 09.48.44 # hey daurnimator,you dont hav any laptop ddr or hard disks your trying to ge rd off do you? 09.48.46 # Bagder: uncalled for! :S 09.48.58 # fark this keyboard is horrible :p 09.48.58 # not at all 09.49.02 # does LinusN's work from last night require FS #6549 to be commited as well ? 09.49.05 # what size hdd 09.49.07 # daurnimator: brought up here several times already 09.49.26 # daurn: laptop. 2.5" 09.49.43 # sorry, the 1 i have is... in my laptop 09.49.52 # meany 09.50.10 Quit preglow (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.50.53 Quit XavierGr () 09.51.38 # Bagder: i have had that nick on the wiki for ages :S 09.51.43 # I know 09.51.52 # and no one has complained before (at least to me) 09.51.53 # but you've violated the rules for ages as well 09.52.13 # we have an age rule on the wiki? 09.52.19 # haha 09.52.34 # ages as in during a long time 09.53.28 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp4-71.adsl.forthnet.gr) 09.55.20 Quit midgey () 09.55.33 # couple of questions about plugindoom - is there a way to exit it to rockbox, also, on the 4g grayscale ipod, is it possible to adjust contrast 09.56.40 # hmm, how long does twiki take to send out the reset password email usually ? 09.56.43 # just pick quit in the menu 09.57.04 Join preglow [0] (n=thomjoha@rockbox/developer/preglow) 09.57.35 # Mikachu: okay, i'll do that. But the screen is too dark to find the menu lol 09.58.08 # now what's this about the eq messing up on gigabeat 09.58.49 # Bagder: Nice IRC log layout on the website 09.59.05 # yeps, that's Zagor's new script 09.59.16 # preglow, it messed up on my h120 as well, but I can't reproduce that unfortunately 09.59.53 # OK, then shall I tell Zagor that the font size options don't work here (on a very bog-standard IE6/Win2K box) 09.59.56 # :) 10.00.04 # well, weird 10.00.10 # hehe 10.00.11 # at least it can't be my fault 10.00.12 # i haven' 10.00.22 # i haven't touched the eq code for yonks 10.00.37 # FYI - 'fontStyle' is null or not an object 10.00.46 # one yonk being 3.14 months, right? 10.00.47 # preglow, I don't think it's anything in dsp.c or eq.c. At the moment my guess is that commit 12120 wasn't as innocent as it seemed 10.00.48 # it works fine in firefox 10.01.02 # anyone against removing the Chicago font? 10.01.08 # markun: kill it 10.01.19 # Bagder: yep 10.01.41 # seems i miscounted then, i haven't touched it for yonk :) 10.01.48 # hahaha 10.02.02 # if someone could try eq on gigabeat with revision 12119 of rockbox that'd be great 10.02.04 # bAGHARG 10.02.29 # windows that steal focus, why the HELL did they have to port that behaviour over to anything else than windows too 10.03.54 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 10.05.17 # Bagder: do you remember which font nimbus was based on? 10.05.31 # The commit log says: Antonius Hellman (patch #1228206) 10.05.46 # no, I don't remember that 10.06.04 # do you still have access to the old patch tracker? 10.06.23 Join robin0800_ [0] (n=robin080@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust351.brig.cable.ntl.com) 10.06.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.06.57 # ah, xtal.. 10.07.05 # shall I remove that one as well then? 10.07.21 # nice new irc log view :) 10.07.25 # if the license is bad or unclear, then I say yes 10.07.35 # but also since they're very limited character-wise 10.07.40 # yes 10.08.05 # oh lord 10.08.08 # someone needs to shoot me 10.08.24 # markun: while your at it, you may as well remove hat giant font which is broken 10.08.26 # * petur aims 10.08.31 # * JdGordon cant remeber its name 10.08.38 # are the text files still available for downloading? 10.09.08 # preglow, ? 10.09.30 Join JdGordon_ [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 10.09.36 # JdGordon: the win_crox* fonts? 10.09.47 Quit JdGordon ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 10.09.59 # yeah, the biggest one 10.10.13 # 6hbo 10.10.31 # how about adding a link to the plain file in the irc log reader? 10.10.48 Quit combrains (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.11.29 # safetydan: just me being an idiot programmer, nothing rockbox based though 10.12.40 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@rockbox/administrator/Llorean) 10.13.00 Join KN|stiff [0] (n=phhome@pD9EA4F43.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.13.02 # Bagder: do you know why the "since Aug 1st 2006" link for the commit log is broken? 10.13.13 # * Bagder checks 10.13.30 Quit KN|stiff (Client Quit) 10.14.12 Quit robin0800 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 10.14.36 # fixed 10.15.57 # preglow: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8534.0 10.17.55 # markun: as a matter of fact, i know the eq can make a high-pitched sound 10.18.11 # at least it did, but i've added another couple of bits of precision to the filters in question since then 10.18.53 # the low-shelf filter being the culprit 10.19.09 Join Gibbed [0] (i=rick@pool-71-108-0-2.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 10.19.13 Quit Rick (Nick collision from services.) 10.19.25 Nick Gibbed is now known as Rick (i=rick@pool-71-108-0-2.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 10.19.54 # ah, yes, but this is a late issue 10.22.24 # (fn'preglow): markun: as a matter of fact, i know the eq can make a high-pitched sound --> I think I had that issue 10.22.37 # preglow: Similar things happen on the Gigabeat (LS, but if you turn on any other band, turn on the LS, turn off the LS, there's still some strangeness) 10.22.53 # when setting up the EQ on my ipod 5G, I had some strange sounds 10.23.07 # preglow: But the H100 series don't seem to be suffering from this, so it may be ARM specific (though safetydan experienced some skipping, but no high pitch screeching)? 10.24.19 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 10.24.22 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp43-192.adsl.forthnet.gr) 10.24.36 # Llorean: if you turn off any band, that band will no longer process, so that sounds weird 10.25.49 # anywho, arm actually has more precision than coldfire so should have fewer issues with sound, granted that the internal accumulators actually don't overflow 10.25.55 # which might be possible, after all 10.26.11 # that coldfire will handle gracefully 10.26.34 # what I had was basically skipping with the gaps filled with silence 10.26.41 # almost like the CPU wasn't keeping it 10.26.42 # preglow: Yeah, but if I turn on LS, turn on one of the peaks, turn off LS, the problem reduces but does not go away. If I turn on a peak alone, on the gigabeat at least, it doesn't seem to do much at all. 10.26.45 # keeping up even 10.27.33 # Llorean: well, weird, it should really behave the same 10.27.36 # after all, it's an arm 10.27.46 # Llorean, any chance you could try a build with revision 12119 on your gigabeat? 10.28.02 # and to be honest, i'll be quite surprised if this is a problem with the eq code itself 10.28.07 # brb 10.32.02 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@88.218.17.202) 10.33.01 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 10.33.07 # safetydan: Give me a couple minutes 10.33.30 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.34.12 # preglow: It's possible you should ignore that. I can't reproduce anything but the LS being really painful now 10.34.49 # painful? 10.35.13 # In the latest CVS, if you enable the LS at all on the Gigabeat you get some painful noise. 10.35.37 # Like a very loud... almost like it's buzzing or clipping 10.35.47 # is the sound recognizable at all? 10.35.56 # Yes 10.36.09 # Er, no 10.36.21 # as in, can you detect some of the original music/sound in it? 10.36.24 # Wait, yes it definitely is, but the noise is so loud it's very hard to hear, relative to it. 10.36.27 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@host-144-219.ch.le.ac.uk) 10.36.40 # hrm 10.36.45 # The buzzing constantly increases in pitch. 10.37.20 # well, it really is quite improbable that the eq routines work on other arms, but not gigabeat, so i'd count on something messing up the filter history/coefs or something for now 10.39.28 # preglow: well http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8534.0 is another ARM 10.40.23 # safetydan: How can I revert to a specific revision with SVN? 10.40.29 # well, in the case it bugs out on all arms, the eq code still hasn't changed for months 10.40.33 # Llorean, svn update -r 12119 10.40.34 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp43-192.adsl.forthnet.gr) 10.40.55 # safetydan: Update... okay. I was trying to guess which command it was. 10.40.59 # preglow: Gotcha 10.41.20 # LinusN: Thinking a bit more about your reverted approach, I found that there is a fundamental problem with always reading sectors in pairs. 10.41.42 # amiconn: i have been thinking aboiut that too 10.41.47 # and the last time i updated the eq, i made sure to scan the entire parameter range to make sure overflowing should not occur 10.41.53 # On volumes with single-sector clusters, directories with an odd number of sectors would need special handling 10.42.02 # amiconn: exactly 10.42.15 # and it sucks! :-) 10.42.21 # preglow, I think I have an idea of what's going on. What would happen if the default cutoff value for the low-shelf was 0? 10.42.28 # safetydan: something bad 10.42.42 # well guess what the default is after JdGordon's settings update? :) 10.42.48 # hashahah 10.43.02 # the filters don't handle 0 as a cutoff at all 10.43.08 # it's not a value you should ever pass 10.43.24 # * amiconn thinks that with sector caching in ata.c, there would already be a working rockbox on G5.5/80 10.43.26 # Alright, I'll skip copying 12119 to my player for now then 10.43.37 # Llorean, probably. Sorry about the wild goose chase 10.43.56 # safetydan: Nah, it's always worth testing something if it needs testing. That's why I've got all these varying players. :) 10.43.59 # amiconn: yes, but i think sector caching is the wrong way to solve this 10.44.22 # I'm still not convinced. fat.c seems to be more complex than it looks 10.44.42 # I agree that this 3-sector memcpy()ing buffer is ugly though 10.45.38 # i think sector caching would solve the issues with the complex ata.c by adding more complexity 10.46.33 # woo, I have commit access 10.46.52 # * Llorean cheers 10.47.12 # * LinusN pheers 10.47.13 # I wasn't sure if Bagder allowed me back in after the mailing list debacle :) 10.48.05 # :-) 10.49.50 # booh, someone removed my xtal-14 :( 10.50.08 # * LinusN makes his evil chuckle 10.51.09 # markun: Are you sure xtal-14 has a proper replacement? I made xtal-14 for exactly one purpose: I need a 14px font 10.52.15 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.52.22 # ...because 14px is ideal for 4 lines on the archos lcd with status bar enabled 10.55.31 Quit Weiss (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.56.25 Quit zefie (Remote closed the connection) 10.57.02 # safetydan: ml debacle? 10.57.30 # safetydan, I replied to the list rather than privately to Bagder with my wanted svn login details 10.57.44 # ah yeah I remember that :P 10.57.49 # He takes the 'open' part of 'open-source' very seriously. 10.57.54 # ROFL 10.57.59 # ha 10.58.09 # it was hilarious I must say, it made my day ;) 10.58.25 # but these sort of things can happen 10.58.35 # the power of a habbit 10.58.46 # cursed habbitses 11.00.04 # * Llorean rolls a new Gigabeat build to try out the fix 11.00.11 # * XavierGr goes to try and commit with safetydan's previously-confessed-in-ml password! :P 11.00.49 # luckily it was randomly generated so not important 11.00.53 # * safetydan hugs pwgen 11.01.05 # hmm I must try one of these 11.01.15 # too many passwords to handle these days 11.02.18 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.03.53 # it seems that there are 2 pwgen projects 11.04.19 # an open-source and a commercial one 11.04.41 # XavierGr, I just use the one that apt-get install pwgen gives me 11.04.43 Join Wiwie [0] (n=goddi@trir-590fa2b9.pool.einsundeins.de) 11.05.30 # safetydan: I am in Windows ;P 11.05.37 # no golden apt-get here 11.05.43 # there is a need for a commercial pwgen???? 11.05.45 # * Genre9mp3 enjoys the new irc log reader atm :) 11.06.21 # hrm 11.06.39 # the commercial one seems to also be a manager 11.06.39 # I use my mind for pswd generation :P 11.06.39 # * preglow wonders how fixed point works with exponentiation 11.06.43 # would anyone happen to know? 11.07.10 # doing 10^(fixedpointnumber) will yield a very, very large number 11.07.46 # don't you have to write a 10_exp_fixedpoint() first? 11.08.14 # that's what i'm wondering 11.08.25 # * petur stores all his stuff in tombo - there's both a windows and pocketpc version and it uses blowfish 11.08.33 # it was my understanding that most fp operations needed specially written functions 11.08.39 # safetydan: The only problem being that changing the defaults doesn't help much since settings don't reset any more. 11.08.45 # Mikachu: most arithmetic just uses the regular operators 11.09.12 # Llorean: no, we'll need people to reset 11.09.13 # Hmm, this new irc log reader has too much colour for my taste... 11.09.18 # preglow: I already told them to on the forums. 11.09.24 # amiconn: the colour helps me to see what i want, really 11.09.30 # Are the plain text logs still available for download somewhere 11.09.52 # Well, current.txt is at least. 11.09.57 # Llorean: did a new default help before, though? it wouldn't reset then either, unless you bumped the version 11.09.58 # I think the plain logs *need* to be available though 11.10.00 # amiconn: they're still present like before I believe, just there are no links atm 11.10.06 # preglow: It looks like xchat - every nick has its own colour. One reason why I don't like xchat 11.10.09 # Llorean, ah, that is a bit of a problem 11.10.13 # amiconn: how big is your fat16 partition? 11.10.17 # xchat is crap 11.10.22 # amiconn: xchat doesn't _have to_ do that you know 11.10.26 # surely that function is optional in xchat 11.10.34 # I disabled it a long time ago 11.10.38 # i like xchat, and i use coloured nicks 11.10.41 # and i just use good, good irssi 11.10.44 # Bagder: Yes, true, but xchat doesn't allow to use colours the way I would want them 11.10.47 # preglow: That's true. Being a slight bastard, I would've bumped the version to force a reset if I felt I couldn't depend on users to do it. 11.11.00 # Hydrairc does, though 11.11.12 # well, we'll just have to be more careful with the default settings from now on 11.11.13 # I don't like colored nicks at all 11.11.25 # LinusN: It's just the internal flash of the Ondio, i.e. ~122MB ("128MB") 11.11.30 # i like having them coloured when someone speaks to me, and that's pretty much that 11.11.34 # found it neat in the reader, though 11.11.38 # yeah, that's what I use too 11.11.40 # amiconn: can i have a binary dump for testing? 11.11.54 # Hmm, not now 11.11.59 # ok 11.12.07 # I could make a dump, but I'd need a place to upload it 11.12.17 # I see our colored logs have left me with a nice, vibrant magenta. Joy. 11.12.24 # hehe 11.12.30 # time to change nick! ;-) 11.12.37 Nick Llorean is now known as Paul_the_Nerd (n=Llorean@rockbox/administrator/Llorean) 11.12.38 # Llorean: well, by way of having chosen that nick, you asked for it! 11.12.39 # Hah, I came prepared 11.13.03 # looks nice 11.13.03 Nick Paul_the_Nerd is now known as Llorean (n=Llorean@rockbox/administrator/Llorean) 11.13.24 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 11.13.32 # confusing that the script doesn't show nick changes 11.14.02 # i dont have a color.. 11.14.38 # you asked for it too! 11.14.43 # * amiconn would like if the reader were configurable 11.14.53 # amiconn: it is somewhat 11.15.11 # scorche: I think you're a very dark purplish. 11.15.12 # and could be made even more if you just whine on Zagor ;-) 11.16.29 # .nick_scorche { color: #325 } 11.16.34 # * amiconn likes the colouring scheme of hydra: black for normal nicks & text, dark green for joins, dark red for quits/parts, violet for actions 11.16.35 # :-) 11.16.45 # white background???? 11.16.49 # And then I have some personal highlights 11.16.56 # preglow: Yes of course 11.17.04 # * preglow vomits 11.17.43 # black with white text if user agent is linux :) 11.18.26 # preglow: What's wrong with white background? 11.18.38 # nothing wrong per se, it's just that i'd never use it 11.18.38 # hehe 11.18.52 # i prefer black backgrounds for text based stuff 11.18.56 # nicer and easier on the eyes 11.19.20 # * amiconn has quite the opposite impression 11.19.33 # White text on black causes quite some eyestrain 11.19.37 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-db463d41c52f3e73) 11.20.03 # Llorean: I'd rather be magenta than turd brown =/ 11.20.27 # * scorche sides with preglow 11.20.46 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host181-220-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 11.21.05 # i've been using black backgrounds for console stuff for ages now and still don't need glasses, so i'll just go for me being right :P 11.21.10 Join tamacracker [0] (n=tamacrac@c-67-191-48-48.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 11.21.12 # it's a good thing we can all choose for ourselves then!! 11.22.11 # bagder, preglow: then I guess that you won't like this much at all: 11.22.13 # http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mircek0.png 11.22.28 # ghah! 11.22.37 # for so many reasons 11.22.38 # my special little script to already read what the big ones have to say :P 11.22.42 # * LinusN throws up 11.22.47 # and mirc too! 11.22.54 # yuck 11.22.57 # lol 11.23.01 # * Bagder faints 11.23.03 # mirc is cool 11.23.20 # it is the most comfortable thing I've done to read all those logs 11.23.38 # now I can skip all the chit-chat and watch carefully on real dev discussion 11.23.48 # haha 11.23.58 # no chit-chat from me, no siree 11.24.06 # coffeecoffeecoffee 11.24.16 # XavierGr: So, am I one of the "big ones" ??? :P 11.24.42 # I just press page down repeteadly and stop when I see one of my favorite highlighted nicks :P 11.24.57 # Genre9mp3: you are not on the big ones, you are on the familiar ones hehe 11.25.48 # that screenshot really does give me an impression of the number of people in here, though 11.25.51 # XavierGr: your IRC client makes people sick though... we have already one vomit and one faint 11.26.00 # amiconn: I just checked and xtal was in fact replaced by nimbus-14, not nedore.. 11.27.34 # Genre9mp3: well at least I am not alone in using it :P 11.27.57 # hmmm --- this is a bigone test --- please ignore --- 11.28.19 # kclaf: there is the #test channel for these kind of stuff :) 11.28.27 # ;D 11.29.00 # i mean that was a test for your script, I'm waiting for the screenshot 11.29.16 # but well, let me stop acting stupid ;) 11.29.28 # permission granted 11.32.18 # * sneakums forces his browser to use light on dark with generally pleasing results 11.34.26 # * markun does the same for his pdf viewer 11.34.58 # i direly need evince to be able to do that 11.36.17 # when i had os x on this machine i'd run it now and then with the accessibility setting that turns the screen greyscale 11.36.21 # very restful 11.37.45 # amiconn: I also would like to remove atadore because that one is in fact replaced by nedore. Any objections? 11.38.42 # and I think I could remove rockfont-8 as well (replaced by namil) 11.38.56 # decayedcell: I wasn't "flaming" w1ll14m's patch. I was pointing out that it isn't appropriate for that thread. 11.39.02 # I always use rockfont-8 and xtal-14 11.39.17 # I don't think anything replaces rockfont-8 11.39.20 # Whether he's just trying to help out or not, trying to fix the frequency scaling freeze is *different* from trying to reduce playback skips. 11.39.54 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 11.40.17 # amiconn: you think the changes in namil make it look worse? 11.40.39 Part kaaloo 11.41.07 # aha, rockbfont-8 is fixed width and namil isn't, right? 11.41.18 # No, rockfont-8 is proportional 11.43.06 Quit dune2 ("Leaving") 11.43.19 # namil-8 squeezes the letters horizontally. Too much for my taste 11.44.32 # yes, for mine too 11.44.49 # Nimbus-14 instead of xtal-14 looks ok 11.45.18 Join dune2 [0] (n=dune2@LNeuilly-152-21-109-180.w193-253.abo.wanadoo.fr) 11.45.27 # amiconn: some glyphs in namil (like 'i') are completely different from rockfont 11.51.17 # amiconn: and I think the 'a' in the nedore fonts is wrong, looks much better in the atadore fonts 11.52.42 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 11.54.18 Join Weiss [0] (i=taw27@pip.srcf.societies.cam.ac.uk) 11.54.43 Quit fejfighter () 11.57.45 Join gook [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-810d636798af8e25) 11.59.33 Join tucoz [0] (i=528612c1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-acfb9bc968988cec) 12.00.08 # Bagder: thanks for committing nimbus-19. BTW: since the font activities are going on I'd like to point to the FS task 5982 which seems to fix something in nimbus-12 and nimbus-14. I haven't tried it though. 12.00.15 # markun: if you are going to remove fonts, will you change the wps's that uses those fonts as well then? 12.00.51 # if there are any, that is 12.01.27 # LinusN: ping... 12.02.11 # tucoz: good point 12.02.13 # markun: FS task 5982 might also be for you 12.02.14 # On an unrelated note to everything, January '07 is now officially the month of the most forum registrations to date. Take that how you will. 12.02.50 # gook: thanks, I'll check it out (later) 12.03.32 # Llorean: how many registrations so far? 12.04.47 # tucoz: 772 new members this month. 12.05.37 # wow. rockbox is really starting to gather up a crowd of (potential) users 12.05.50 Quit ze (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.05.56 Quit tamacracker (Remote closed the connection) 12.06.23 # Well, the Sansa thread has nearly twice as many views as the next one down. I do wish it'd show me "views this month" though, the stats are kinda neat. 12.06.53 Join tamacracker [0] (n=tamacrac@c-67-191-48-48.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 12.06.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.07.08 Join ze [0] (i=ze@cpe-76-175-22-254.socal.res.rr.com) 12.07.57 Part tucoz 12.08.13 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.211.134) 12.16.27 Nick Soap_ is now known as Soap (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 12.17.41 Quit idnar (Connection timed out) 12.19.19 Quit foolsh (Remote closed the connection) 12.23.30 Join inversions [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 12.31.10 Quit safetydan ("Ex-Chat") 12.33.21 Quit tamacracker (Remote closed the connection) 12.35.38 # Llorean okay point taken, btw i like the new IRC log thing 12.36.26 Join idnar [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 12.37.03 Quit gook ("CGI:IRC") 12.38.56 # Bagder: should the UsingSVN page on the wiki really be UsingSubversion ? (i thought svn was an abrev and subversion is its actual name) 12.39.18 # perhaps, but renaming pages all the time is not good 12.39.46 # and UsingSubversion has been used for a long time for another purpose 12.40.26 # Not to mention, svn is the command that most users thing of at the console. 12.40.28 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 12.40.38 # So it's clear enough what the page is for 12.41.06 # CVS is also an abbrevation 12.41.08 # :-) 12.41.13 # Yup 12.41.37 # the only confusion I can see it causing is "apt-get install svn" 12.41.43 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B95C01.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.41.54 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 12.42.10 # I think anyone trying to apt-get hopefully can figure it out, and anywhere our guides might suggest it should say "apg-get install subversion" anyway. 12.42.13 # if someone wants to use svn they should be able to think a little bit for themselves 12.42.14 # Assuming they even do 12.43.37 # oh - I wasn't trying to suggest that momentary confusion was a deal breaker - far from it. 12.43.45 Quit JdGordon_ ("Konversation terminated!") 12.44.38 # besides, look how far confusion has gotten many politicians. ;) 12.45.12 Join webguest21 [0] (i=cf3e9c55@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-091d2c89d61efb58) 12.45.27 # Honestly, I'm surprised nobody has yet asked where the daily builds went. 12.45.48 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 12.46.09 # in respect to the daily/current builds actually... i am having a really hard time using them, and have been since earlier this month... they simply don't load for me 12.46.22 # since january 12 actually 12.46.41 # webguest21: "Don't load" as in what exactly? You haven't given us a target, or exactly what they DO do. 12.46.49 # ipod color 12.46.56 # will not load 12.46.59 # the firmware 12.47.08 # JdGordon: I wanted to ask you... have you abandoned the timetable plugin? 12.47.22 # does mikeage's unsupported no-scaling build load for you webguest21? 12.47.24 # I am unsure how else to describe it other than the firmware simply not loading 12.47.30 # for the time being.... semester starts again in 4 weeks so i might take it up again... why? 12.47.32 # it does... 12.47.50 # im just wondering why current builds don't work 12.47.55 # they used to 12.47.57 # I recently tested it on my H300 but saving doesn't seem to work 12.48.01 # webguest21: They didn't work well. 12.48.04 # It's still the same problem. 12.48.07 # true 12.48.07 # It's just more apparent now. 12.48.08 # Genre9mp3: the reason i dumped it ws because I was too lazy to redo the drawing so it worked on the lcd remote 12.48.33 # oh ok, I was just mostly looking for confimation 12.48.45 # webguest21: which bootloader are you using? black text on light blue background or white text on black background? 12.48.55 # JdGordon: I'm not able to save a .tt file though so I can't actually use it 12.49.10 # I believe white on black 12.49.15 Join lachlan123 [0] (i=cbce3551@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d15c9637f72908fa) 12.49.15 # hmm ok 12.49.21 # as in text and bg respectively 12.49.27 # and I don't know the format of a .tt file to see if it can read it at least 12.49.41 # i've been having funky results, that's why im somewhat unsure 12.49.45 # so I can edit it on PC and just use that 12.50.00 # right now its white text on a black background though 12.50.02 # just curious webguest21, I don't have an answer based on bootloader, just trying to collect all the information I can. 12.50.15 # no problem 12.50.39 # It's most likely just the frequency scaling problem. 12.50.42 # no rush at all; i'm curious as well 12.50.45 # yeah 12.50.48 # seems to be 12.50.56 # webguest21 - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6095 12.51.04 # oh well, i'll just stick with the no scaling then 12.51.16 # that should work too 12.51.21 # yea, Llorean, it is just that the number of people with failure-to-boot seems to be increasing. 12.52.04 # Soap is this the original firmware or rockbox or both? 12.52.06 # I'll give it a shot; I want to learn compiling, so I can make my own builds; in time.. when midterms are over 12.52.09 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 12.52.18 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 12.52.28 # Soap: Yes, but that doesn't mean that there's a new problem, just that the problem is more frustrating now. 12.52.33 # webguest21 its pretty easy when you get the hang of it, cygwin is good to start with on windows 12.52.53 # I know that Llorean, just collecting information, not drawing conclusions. 12.53.06 # sure, and there's pretty solid instructions on the wiki isn't there? 12.53.34 # I've tried it once, but I just didn't quite have the time to get it going 12.53.48 # * Soap does not understand the attraction to cygwin. VMWare and CoLinux are so much faster and easier. VMWare being the easiest. 12.53.49 # webguest21 if they're not solid enough, then you can complain here, or fix it up yourself :p 12.53.59 # of course 12.54.07 # Soap: its because cygwin runs on windows, no need to install the other stuff 12.54.22 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 12.54.27 # CoLinux runs on windows, and IS linux and Is 5-10x faster. 12.54.30 # though a real linux install is a lot faster :p 12.54.33 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 12.54.33 # thanks for the help 12.54.44 # hmm okay then.. i suppose its not as well known then? 12.54.55 # Soap: Cygwin is smaller than either, isn't it? 12.55.06 # Llorean: ahh - you have me there. 12.55.07 # depends on the packages you install 12.55.31 # Only drawback of using VMware is that you need 2GB of space for the image file 12.55.36 # decayedcell: And VMWare just requires installing the VMWare player, runs much faster than cygwin, and the image is completely enclosed so it's easy to clean up after. 12.55.39 # I never go my cygwin install (with source) above 1GB. 12.55.43 # Soap: cygwin runs directly under windows, so I can use my favourite editor and don't have to access the source files via samba 12.55.54 # (which would be a problem w/o the vm running) 12.56.06 # bah - samba makes it just like another drive - can still use your favorite editor! 12.56.11 # samba works quite well though 12.56.21 # Soap: but you ahve to ahve the vm running 12.56.22 # oh - yea - w/o the vm running is a different issue. 12.56.23 # Llorean cygwin is really only limited to one folder I believe 12.56.32 # Soap: Yes, and all programs become dead slow if they remember the share and it isn't available 12.56.39 # unless you mount a windows drive as your /home..... 12.56.45 # Also, vmware / colinux need far more ram than cygwin 12.56.47 # decayedcell: True. It's a lot more frustrating to deal with in regards to configuration than the VMWare kit though, just because it seems so easy for users to mess up. 12.57.00 # But I think each has its points. 12.57.06 # amiconn: ? colinux never uses more that 32, and isn't allowed to use more than 64. 12.57.08 # I used to use Cygwin, but this computer is quite happy with VMWare. 12.57.35 # I rarely see it use more than 16. 12.57.51 # I used to use Cygwin, too but after using VMware it seems to me that is really slow so never went back 12.58.59 # besides I apt-get installed gedit so I can edit my files easily without using samba 13.00.31 Quit webguest21 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 13.00.53 # Honestly, I don't like the fact that the coLinux image uses "getsvn" and "rbconf" 13.01.05 # I can't change my habbit of using Notepad2 as my editor of choice 13.01.10 # has anyone else noticed here on the 5G ipod with regards to scrolling - when you scroll its fast for a few pages, but then it lags and slows down. Then you stop and then start scrolling again and its fast? 13.01.11 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484A3F3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 13.01.28 # Llorean: You don't have to use those commands though do you? Can't we just change the instructions? 13.01.31 # so I still open the files on VMware from Windows 13.01.34 Join perplexity [0] (i=heh7140@dxb-as87281.alshamil.net.ae) 13.01.56 # decaydcell: Nope, mine seemed slow all the time 13.01.58 # decayedcell: It's because the scheduler gives priority to audio decoding. 13.02.03 # linuxstb: You don't have to, but the wiki page tells users to use them, which means they're in trouble if they start there and move to another development environment for RB. 13.02.26 # Llorean: I agree - but I'm saying we can simply change the instructions without needing to change the colinux image. 13.02.36 # Yeah 13.03.49 # it is getting late, time to get a nap, the night will be long today 13.03.51 # later all 13.03.51 Quit decayedcell ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 13.04.59 # XavierGr: night? 13.05.15 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.188.29) 13.05.55 Quit Brunellus_ ("Ex-Chat") 13.10.03 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-32b5dd1d427f6abd) 13.13.02 Quit blueworm ("Leaving") 13.13.56 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.14.05 # hmm, can rockbox handle wavpack? 13.14.13 # yes 13.14.38 # not hybrid with the wvc 13.22.46 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 13.22.55 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 13.28.05 Quit Wiwie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.29.47 Quit lachlan123 ("CGI:IRC") 13.29.52 Join Wiwie [0] (n=goddi@vpnsh0165.fh-trier.de) 13.30.38 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 13.35.11 # mental note to self: do not run /list from a web client again. 13.36.08 Join JdGordon_ [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 13.36.32 # i got my wlan working :D 13.38.30 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 13.38.40 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 13.40.05 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.46.06 Part Llorean 13.48.11 Join whatboutbob [0] (i=cbd649b0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3141f3f497bed878) 13.48.26 Join jonno__ [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 13.49.50 Nick jonno__ is now known as JdGordon (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 13.52.04 # LinusN: ping... 13.52.26 # Greetings all. I've a random question. I don't suppose we have any Norwegians in here atm? 13.52.51 # I bet we do 13.54.38 # I always want to turn the term 'norwegian' into 'norfolk'... but then I remember that norfolk is just the name of the planet in metroid. 13.54.41 # A developer friend of mine is heading over to Norway to work for 6 months - doesn't speak a word of Norwegian...just wondering if you guys would have input on his chances of finding work? 13.55.06 # whatboutbob: talk to preglow 13.55.21 # asp.net, ruby on rails, php...he's pretty flexible... 13.55.22 # I would think that the IT market is hot over there too 13.56.16 # he's just concerned that (verbal) language will be a barrier... 13.56.25 # any thoughts? ...anyone? 13.56.29 Join barrywardell_ [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.188.29) 13.56.38 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@rockbox/administrator/Llorean) 13.56.46 # * Bagder can't comment on that for Norway 13.57.19 # people speak english well here 13.57.23 # if he does that, then hooray 13.58.36 # mwaha...thanks preglow. i know most scandinavians speak english better than most aussies...i just wasn't sure if it would be an issue in the workplace. 13.58.38 # people in it especially very seCldom have problems, i even know of companies where they primarily speak english 13.58.44 # hehe, i just found a copy of the department's policy at work 13.59.07 Quit Strath (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.59.09 # "the cornerstone is 'do it right the first time'" 13.59.24 # the document itself has revision 3 :-) 13.59.27 # any ideas on where he could start looking for work? (he's mentioned that most websites he's looked at are...unsurprisingly...in norwegian. 13.59.35 # haha 13.59.36 # wow do it right the first time 13.59.36 # whatboutbob: at least i can't possibly imagine it being a problem, almost all job positions require a good knowledge of english these days 13.59.41 # sounds like a smart company :) 13.59.53 # heh 14.00.13 # whatboutbob: i don't really know how you'd go about that being a foreigner 14.00.22 # but there's got to be tons of people who do know 14.00.32 Join andrewg [0] (n=andrew@stjhnf0124w-142162095123.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) 14.00.38 # <^BeN^> mm how do i make a patch with the svn? 14.00.40 # brb 14.00.41 Nick ^BeN^ is now known as Paprica (i=Paprica@rockbox/developer/paprica) 14.01.14 # Paprica: svn diff 14.01.20 Join OgMaciel [0] (n=omaciel@ubuntu/member/gnukemist) 14.01.21 # ok 14.01.32 Quit barrywardell_ () 14.01.47 Join barrywardell_ [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.188.29) 14.01.53 # and when i have new files? 14.02.17 # haha i forgot anything 14.02.44 # then svn add the files before you svn diff 14.02.49 # I've worked for a few places who's policy would be closer to: "Do it right the first time....unless it is going to cost too much money...then take the cheaper option...and spend much more time and money on fixing it later." 14.03.09 # ok 14.03.15 # diff -u /dev/null new.file >> my.patch 14.03.23 # should work also :) 14.03.42 # yeps 14.04.04 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 14.04.06 # or just the good old "diff -ruN dir1 dir2 > dump" 14.04.24 Quit JdGordon_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.05.03 Join gook [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-41ee1b8bc6dd2900) 14.05.49 # LinusN: and what if the aim was to get the revision 3? Then they did it right! ;-) 14.05.57 # that must be it 14.06.14 Quit andrewg_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.06.19 # but did they get to revision 3 the first time? 14.06.25 Join Strath [0] (n=donat@dpc6747254230.direcpc.com) 14.06.35 # LinusN: and then they'll declare the goal to be rev. 4, 5 etc. 14.06.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.07.23 # In the beginning, the goal is rev. 1. Then the goal is adjusted according to circumstances. 14.07.23 Quit Strath (Connection reset by peer) 14.07.53 # So the main issue is to get the goal right. 14.08.17 Quit whatboutbob ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 14.08.48 # markun: Hi, in response to your Chicago font query. I'm using it for my ROCKboxed theme, and don't include it in my zip. Are you talking about taking it out of the daily builds fonts archive? 14.09.08 # justjohnny68: It's already out of it. 14.10.19 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6599 my new game is waiting for commit :P 14.10.40 # justjohnny68: ha! I wanted to talk to you :) 14.10.49 # Ahh, okay, repackage time. 14.11.34 # I'm actually re-creating the font in FontForge and extending it to include latin1 extended characters 14.11.40 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.230.92) 14.11.45 Quit barrywardell (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.12.05 # justjohnny68: don't do that 14.12.07 Join Strath [0] (n=donat@dpc6747254230.direcpc.com) 14.12.13 # justjohnny68: did you get my MP? 14.12.20 # eh.. PM :) 14.14.04 Join webguest68 [0] (i=c31ce03b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c5ca0f47c25b9dbf) 14.14.07 # Bagder: oops, svn didn't really understand I was trying to use UTF-8 14.14.15 # Paprica: Is there a reason you've not used the existing Solitaire bitmaps? 14.14.59 # my game have smaller cards 14.15.03 # markun: you mean the html table stuff? 14.15.03 # Hi Markun, was asleep when it came in. Just switched screens and saw it 14.15.28 # obviously it didn't grok that... 14.15.35 # JdGordon whats the time down there? 14.16.24 # 12.16am 14.16.28 # Paprica: Doesn't solitaire have different sized bitmaps already though? 14.17.13 # yes it does but not with my size of card 14.17.14 # mmh...that guy told me 2am..but 10hours difference though... 14.17.48 # im sorry but i need to go to driving lessen... =\ 14.17.55 # CU 14.18.39 # (all guys are strongly recommended to disappear from street *scr*) 14.19.12 # muesli__: its 2am in new zealand now... maybe you got his location wrong? 14.19.32 Quit webguest68 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 14.19.35 Join webguest68 [0] (i=c31ce03b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-29e053cf4dcbf4e3) 14.19.42 # 61 3 9681 should be melbourne!? 14.19.47 # yep 14.19.47 # .+61 14.19.59 # Bagder: yes 14.19.59 # definatly melb... inner melb actually 14.20.40 # well..i woke that guy, maybe he was out of bounce 14.20.42 # Paprica: you just gave me a perfect reason to not buy my mum a rockboxable mp3 player... she is already addicted to spider solataire on the comp :p 14.21.04 # muesli__: are you ringing random numbers? 14.21.11 # lol..no... 14.21.21 # a friend of mine 14.23.19 # .. maybe he diverted his phone to nz ? 14.23.38 # no..she was already sleeoing 14.23.40 # p 14.25.03 Quit webguest68 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 14.31.15 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 14.31.25 # hmm. The website seems to have problems with utf8 characters in the recent svn logs 14.31.40 # why not convert the website to utf8? 14.32.12 Join foolsh [0] (n=foolsh@74-135-178-234.dhcp.insightbb.com) 14.32.26 # viewvc uses utf8 for the pages. 14.33.03 # Hey all...been awhile. I'm curious why #ifdef HAVE_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING stuff was added to pcm_record.c if pcm_record.c is only included under the same conditions that #define HAVE_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING 14.33.09 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@91.140.17.58) 14.33.41 # jhMikeS: Because while that's true now, that condition can't be assumed for the future? 14.33.47 # double safety net? ;-) 14.34.26 # Hehe. If you want that, there's more code that should be in the blocks. 14.35.49 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 14.38.57 # * jhMikeS 's head has been too deep in sinc functions, integrators, filters, quantization noise shaping and emac and probably not deep enough yet. :P 14.40.28 Part LinusN 14.41.53 Quit pondlife ("disconnected has pondlife") 14.45.29 # jhMikeS: are you working on better resampling for rockbox? 14.46.06 # markun: Right now a bandlimited signal generator but knowledge there will likely lead to it. 14.49.27 # * jhMikeS is absolutely sure he'll have to mess around with that at some point 14.49.31 # you won't be using the same technique 14.49.34 # s 14.50.10 # i'm starting to think we'll just go the iriver route with resampling 14.50.36 # iir filter and interpolation when downsampling, fir filters when upsampling 14.51.04 # both of which will be vastly slower than what we do now 14.51.22 # also, we can't just precalc the coefs like iriver probably do :/ 14.51.22 # I'm sure I won't use the same technique but I think I'll understand how to approach and design things as a result. 14.52.12 # and designing elliptical filters will probably be real, real fun in fixed point 14.52.20 # it's a bloody nightmare in floating point, ffs 14.53.52 # well, I got the pulse synthesis pretty much perfect in fixed point with a noise floor around -120db or so. It's those integrators which thrive on low frequencies that are bugging me. :) 14.55.15 # anyone know how i make the apple_os.ipod file for booting the ipod firmware from a file on disk? 14.55.33 # jhMikeS: they've also bugged everyone else working with blits 14.55.35 # barrywardell_: ipodpatcher -rf apple_os.ipod if I recall? 14.55.40 # i don't know of any definite solutions to the problem 14.56.30 # barrywardell_: Assuming the AppleOS still exists in your firmware partition, and you haven't already -wf'ed over it. As long as you've been using -a, it's still there and handy for extraction. 14.56.33 # preglow: It's especially problematic with a triangle wave with two stages. I can do sawtooth in one with a single ended blit. 14.56.42 # Llorean: great, thanks 14.56.50 Part justjohnny68 14.57.17 # jhMikeS: yes, triangle is very problematic 14.57.30 # it usually needs quite a bit of precision too 14.57.59 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 14.59.06 # It seems to require quantization noise pushed to a higher band. It giggles up and down a bit otherwise it seems because of low frequencies from q noise being amplified. 14.59.45 # yeah, i had that problem using floats 15.04.59 # The triangle waveform itself is nice though but for that little bugger. Results atm are about the same scaling before or after the second integration. 15.08.18 # preglow: Was that other method for sawtooth you mentioned ever published yet or will be? I'd love to have a look at it. 15.09.33 Join Hdaackda [0] (n=klj@124.29.195.235) 15.10.28 # jhMikeS: haven't heard anything more about it, i just read about it recently 15.10.45 # jhMikeS: also, it's not as perfectly bandlimited as blits 15.10.46 # hi guys, i need to know something, there is a recording option in rockbox (ipod video 5.5 30gb). Does it work? how? i tried plugin a mic in the headphones jack but it didnt work (not surprised :). 15.10.52 # jhMikeS: btw, do you handle freq sweeping nicely yet? 15.11.43 # preglow: That was no problem. I even abused it with square waves hopping around sounding like R2D2 and it didn't blink. 15.12.10 # jhMikeS: so you're adding the last harmonic separately? 15.12.32 # ? 15.12.34 # no. haven't gotten to the popping out thing yet. 15.12.51 # when you cut out harmonics as the sweep freq goes higher, you'll have popping 15.12.58 # which can only be solved by adding the last harmonic separately 15.14.10 # umm guys sorry to interrupt but does the recording work for ipod videos? 15.14.19 # At least over the range it needs attenuation as long as it's low enough to not be heard 15.14.21 # it doesn't work for any ipods, afaik 15.14.24 # but i don't know 15.14.32 # from the posts (http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7765.0) i cant make out 15.14.40 # oh ok. thanks :) 15.16.33 # I saved all that for last because that seemed easier to address than that triangle wave. :) 15.17.05 # i tried recording. the empty sound file it created was recognized by iTunes as a voice memo :S. wow 15.17.15 # sad that it didnt contain any voice. 15.17.20 # Hdaackda: The 5G only has recording through the dock port. 15.19.11 # :( sadistic mean apple guys :) 15.19.32 # no workaround possible? 15.20.34 # but check this (http://www.forbes.com/technology/2004/04/23/cx_ah_0423tentech.html) there is a device (pic shown) that uses the headphone jack to record 15.21.12 # (Belkin - dont know if it works for 5g though) 15.22.09 Quit Hdaackda ("Bye") 15.25.41 # Why do people refuse to believe their iPods can't record through the headphone jack? 15.27.10 # Llorean: because all it needs is a more powerful amp to drive a current into it... 15.27.52 # Clearly. 15.33.16 Join directhex|work [0] (n=jms@osc-bigmac.oerc.ox.ac.uk) 15.33.28 Quit petur ("worrrk") 15.35.50 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-9d81d1502a98bd55) 15.37.18 Quit thegeek () 15.40.25 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s026b.studby.ntnu.no) 15.41.06 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p54932355.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.41.17 Quit barrywardell_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.43.18 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-202-175.student.uu.se) 15.43.49 Join Moos [0] (i=d9805c3e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8390a33343414961) 15.45.12 # wow, beautiful IRC logs, more readable 15.45.52 # amiconn is the only person so far to dislike them for being too psychedlic :) 15.46.12 # hehe, not surprised ;) 15.46.44 # * GodEater suspects amiconn used to read the old logs with a hexeditor 15.47.04 # haha :-D 15.47.08 # And I can't see the difference btween many of the colours, but nothing to do about that 15.47.37 # hehe markun, sure you are not too many daltoniens ;p 15.47.53 Quit hcs ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") 15.47.53 # XavierGr too I believe 15.48.07 # I actually like the plaintext logs, though I couldn't say that I actually prefer either way specifically. 15.48.43 # But most times when I'm reading the logs it's on a very limited screen, so the plain text is better. 15.48.47 # Llorean: even you didn't feel it, your eyes need to do less effort 15.50.24 # the logs looks really more easy to read now 15.50.30 # * Moos cheers Zagor 15.51.14 # The good thing with the plaintext log is that I have a downloaded copy 15.51.21 # VEry useful for greping 15.52.10 # good point 15.52.15 # amiconn: I tried it once, but it because very very big. How large are the logs? 15.52.25 # s/because/became/ 15.52.32 # and many days........ 15.55.46 # any X5 user around? jhMikeS? 15.55.57 # 1681 files, 136MB (up to Jan 24) 15.56.19 # ouch 15.56.25 # Not very much imho 15.57.23 Join hcs [0] (n=hcs@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 15.58.19 Join RaZorbacK [0] (n=sof@gar31-1-82-66-75-34.fbx.proxad.net) 16.00.32 # what's battery life like with rockbox on an x5, compared to the original firmware? 16.00.33 # Moos: here 16.01.03 # hi all, is there here a super user who could give me some rights on the wiki so I can add something? I just want to translate the voice howto in french 16.02.38 # it's about cowon technical support, pm 16.03.28 # nobody to help? 16.05.42 # RaZorbacK: it's just write permissions? 16.06.32 Quit gook ("CGI:IRC") 16.06.56 # write permissions can give you anybody who already has write permissions 16.06.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.07.49 # gtg now, so you'll need to ask someone else 16.08.41 # RaZorbacK: what's your wiki name? 16.08.54 # I think you need to re-register 16.09.05 # cause I removed a wiki user named razorback this morning 16.09.15 # :) 16.10.53 Quit inversions (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 16.11.10 # I remenber time when we spoke to amways have real name in Wiki, no? 16.11.24 # the register page makes that very clear 16.11.48 # "We will delete your registration without notice if you break this rule." 16.12.17 # but we still have nicks on wiki, no? 16.12.34 # where? 16.13.21 # oh, let's see... 16.13.24 # Moos: If you mean the IRC nicks page, this is a completely different thing 16.13.27 Part hcs 16.13.36 # no wiki I meant 16.14.34 # "BestSongsong?" this one have probably to go out for exemple 16.14.54 # that doesn't exist 16.14.58 # hence the question mark 16.15.10 # ah ok 16.15.54 # I'm trying to tell the people at mygigabeat to ask rockbox questions in the rockbox forums. It's really hard... 16.16.06 # I should just stop answering questions there I think 16.16.17 # markun: it's bascially the same story in all those target-specific forums 16.16.23 # people don't give them up so easily 16.16.34 # Bagder: a good thing we don't have them anymore! (only for install) 16.16.36 # Bagder: IcoD in the wiki :-) 16.16.37 # hehe, indeed :-) 16.16.53 # markun: I watch several target-specific forums, but all I ever do there is try to correct blatant misinformation. 16.17.15 # oh and KillerWolfe 16.17.29 # but maybe that's a name? 16.17.40 # n1s: right.. 16.17.49 # IcoD actually seems to be named Ico as first name 16.18.06 # oh, my bad... how about LuvDay? 16.18.08 Quit spiorf ("Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)") 16.18.13 # KillerWolfe however... 16.18.24 # or MITinTraining 16.18.32 Join CriamosAndy [0] (n=Criamos@p54932355.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 16.18.33 # Bagder: when you remove the account of a spammer, do you also check who gave that person write permission? 16.18.43 # nope 16.18.52 Quit Criamos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.18.53 # most (all?) of them don't have write permissio 16.19.02 # Is there a list of actual registered users somewhere? 16.19.10 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TWikiUsers 16.19.11 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 16.19.20 # That's not all users. 16.19.20 # oh the famous dansih actor MadsMichelsen is registered in the wiki :-) 16.19.33 # I know at least two users not on that list. 16.19.42 # n1s: haha :D 16.19.49 # n1s: it isn't unlikely that more than one person has that name... 16.20.05 # yeah I konw but its funny :-) 16.20.08 # Llorean: yeah, but I don't think there's any better way to list users 16.20.19 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b7a6e.ucd.ie) 16.20.56 # Bagder: Alright, I was just curious if there was a more authoritative list, as you and I seem to have escaped that one, at least. 16.21.10 # SereR0kR (with the zero) 16.21.18 # there is the list with the passwords 16.21.27 # but that's not accessible from the web 16.21.48 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GarryN 16.22.19 # we appear to have an UndeadDragon too 16.22.38 # n1s: his real name seems to be christian kaik : http://ipodlinux.org/User:SereR0kR 16.23.05 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC") 16.23.17 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/KiChu 16.23.19 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-1d3b988e12ebc109) 16.23.26 # but really, there's no need to hunt them all down very hard until they make trouble 16.23.36 # Bagder: did you get those updated H10 bootloaders? 16.23.48 # I did, but I haven't uploaded them properly yet 16.24.03 # k, just checking you got them :) 16.24.11 # no major rush 16.24.22 # Bagder: not important indeed 16.24.28 # "We will delete your registration without notice if you break this rule." ;) 16.24.59 Quit RaZorbacK (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.25.21 # Moos: Well, since you have to go through a human to get edit access now, they'll all be weeded out with time. 16.26.34 Join fasmaie [0] (i=1000@cpe-65-24-91-251.columbus.res.rr.com) 16.27.46 # how does battery life compare on the iaudio x5 between the official & rockbox firmwares? there are figures for ipods, plus older archoses & irivers 16.29.01 # directhex|work: I don't think anyone's actually done a *proper* test yet. 16.29.04 # directhex|work: Results are posted by users - feel free to do some tests yourself. AFAIK, the runtimes are similar in the official firmware and Rockbox on the X5. 16.29.26 # Mostly what you hear is mostly "Well, I got X hours, but I was playing Doom for 2 of them, and skipped around a lot" and such 16.29.33 # The general feeling I get though is that they're very close. 16.30.09 # yep they are IIRC 16.30.19 # I think Rockbox may be slightly worse, but then people seem to want to enable a bunch of power draining features in Rockbox. 16.31.10 # So you get "My X5 is supposed to run 29 hours in the retail firmware, and I only got 24 with a graphical WPS, using the equalizer, crossfeed, replaygain, and a caption timer on the backlight while playing Oggs!" 16.31.12 # I'm sure the company benchmarks are quite ideal...and with 128K mp3 I think they said. 16.31.14 Quit barrywardell () 16.31.49 # I'm actually kinda surprised any time I see someone who lists the caption backlight as one of their regular settings. 16.32.23 # i'm just a little apprehensive, considering the rather wide gulf between figures for the ipod 16.32.35 # all i really care about is a library and vorbis playback 16.32.53 # directhex|work: You *do* know it's removable if you find it's too short for your tastes. 16.33.00 # I have a battery bench someone did for x5l and it ran to 30:13:56 16.33.04 # But the iPod has special hurdles that haven't been overcome yet. 16.33.10 # You really shouldn't use any one target to judge another one. 16.33.19 # mainly cos we're attempting to hurdle with ankle chains on 16.33.25 # and a blindfold 16.34.01 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc3-rdng11-0-0-cust229.winn.cable.ntl.com) 16.34.06 # Llorean, yes, i do know it's removable. but at this moment in time there is *no* player whose stock firmware matches my needs, so (for example) an ipod with standard firmware is useless to me since my collection is all vorbis 16.34.19 # directhex|work: The X5's hardware is very similar to the iriver h1x0/h3x0, where Rockbox outperforms the original firmware in battery life. 16.34.55 # I'm assuming you haven't yet bought a player? 16.35.27 # linuxstb, i have not. my rio karma died again last night though, si i'm in the market 16.35.44 Join perl|work [0] (n=jacquesc@static-64-61-105-170.isp.broadviewnet.net) 16.35.47 Quit pondlife ("disconnected has pondlife") 16.35.56 # directhex|work: what about a Gigabeat F40? 16.35.59 # Any player out of the X5, iriver h1x0/h3x0 or Gigabeat F or X series would be good choice. 16.36.07 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc3-rdng11-0-0-cust229.winn.cable.ntl.com) 16.36.23 # directhex|work: If you're *just* concerned about audio playback, Gigabeat F series are very cheap (relatively) on e-bay and such, I believe. 16.37.06 # * GodEater is still impatiently waiting for his Gigabeat to arrive 16.37.28 # actually on the gigabeat.. does everything except recording and fm 16.37.33 # it's a shame rio decided to fit such a crappy harddrive in the Karma 16.37.37 # But if you need recording features, you want to look at the H100, and if you need ridiculous battery life (greater than 16ish to 19ish hours) the X5L is where to look. 16.37.38 # mine died REALLY fast 16.37.43 # still does movies, gameboy, etc 16.37.56 # goffa: Yes, but movies and gameboy aren't the purpose of an "MP3 player" in general. 16.37.56 # GodEater: hitachi? 16.38.10 # goffa: I was discussing audio related features. 16.38.10 # markun: no clue - I never actually opened it 16.38.19 # I just replaced it with an H140 in disgust 16.38.20 # markun, is the gigabeat current? doesn't seem to be available new from the usual suspects 16.38.37 # directhex|work: thats why we said ebay 16.38.58 # it's pretty sweet hardware though, a 300Mhz ARM and oodles of battery life 16.39.04 # directhex|work: only in australia I think you can still find new ones 16.39.06 # i'd prefer to get something that's considered a 'current' model. looks quite nice though 16.39.07 # and a nice large colour screen 16.39.26 # I thought the X5 was out of production too 16.39.31 # directhex|work: It's still current, it's just not necessarily available from retailers in a lot of cases. 16.39.57 # In terms of raw processing power, it has the most out of any Rockbox targets to date. 16.39.58 # http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=139792 - that's fairly cheap 16.40.16 Quit CriamosAndy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.40.19 # assuming i'm looking at the right thing 16.40.33 # That's it. 16.40.47 # directhex|work: you can get them for much less 16.40.49 # Though... I paid about half that price here in the US. 16.40.54 # around $100 16.41.07 Quit Moos ("CGI:IRC") 16.41.19 # I paid $96 US 16.42.00 # directhex|work: if you can find one buy a X60 :) 16.42.10 # really nice but equally rare 16.42.15 # Llorean: i was just trying to offer clairification 16.42.26 # What's so special about the X series? 16.42.37 # linuxstb: It has a bigger screen, to my understanding. 16.42.38 # supposedly pretty :) 16.42.44 # linuxstb: smaller, lighter and a bigger screen 16.42.46 # linuxstb biggesr screen, slimmer looks 16.43.01 # Same resolution screen, but larger? 16.43.03 # Honestly my Gigabeat already feels a little fragile. 16.43.14 # yes, 2.4" or 2.5" not sure 16.43.14 # yeah.. i ended up getting a zcover 16.43.20 # it adds bulk 16.43.34 # but on the one with a "loose feeling" casing 16.43.39 # it did the trick 16.43.52 # * linuxstb can't justify buying yet another mp3 player 16.43.53 # Not as bad as the Nano or anything, but I've always felt the H120's general heft was reassuring. 16.43.53 # hm, the reported battery times on the F40 are really good. and it's cheaper than an ipod or x5 16.43.56 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b7a6e.ucd.ie) 16.44.17 # directhex|work: Note: It lacks recording functionality, so if you need that it's not a good one to consider. 16.44.22 # my fiancee's h320 has died after about a year, which isn't very good really 16.44.23 # yeah.. i'm probably going to attempt to sell my h140.. and get one of those new 60gb samsungs if it'll fit in my x5l 16.44.31 # single platter n series 16.44.45 # Llorean, i need to play oggs, and browse in a library rather than directory fashion. beyond that, i don't care 16.44.58 # directhex|work: Then the F40 will work for you. 16.45.06 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p54932355.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 16.45.07 # Though I honestly can't imagine someone "needing" to browse in a library fashion. 16.45.17 # I'd always considered it sort of a "prefer" thing. 16.45.53 # i've owned players which force both methodologies. i'd really say "need" 16.46.45 # directhex|work: well, no rockbox for you then. Only DRM WMA and file browsing ;) 16.47.00 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 16.47.36 # markun, i'll reverse-engineer Janus DRM, and transcode all my tracks to 32kib/s drm'd wma. sorted! 16.48.32 # transcoding is good, all my 128kbit/s MP3 files sound much better at 320 now! 16.48.47 # CBR, i hope? 16.48.54 # of course ;) 16.48.57 # silence doesn't sound right unless it's at 320kib/s 16.49.09 # directhex|work: then you'll force the rockbox devs to listen to the drm'd 32k reencoded to 320 until they change their minds? 16.49.12 # :) 16.49.40 # er.. sorry... er not 320.. let's make it flac 16.49.50 # that'd be better yet 16.50.19 # what is it with people formatting their sansas to use fat16? 16.50.27 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 16.50.36 # * Bagder shakes head 16.50.40 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 16.50.49 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 16.50.52 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-ccce934f33e64010) 16.50.53 # makes it more gooder 16.51.03 # :D 16.51.31 # Bagder: Would windows default to Fat16 on a 2gb disk? 16.51.45 # goffa, flac's dirty open source rubbish. you want apple lossless 16.51.57 # Llorean, i think it sould 16.51.59 # Llorean: yeah, perhaps its a default option 16.52.00 Quit barrywardell () 16.52.00 # would. bah 16.52.05 # directhex|work: or WMA lossless! 16.52.08 # my bad directhex|work 16.52.19 # what was i thinking 16.52.21 # markun, that too 16.52.26 # don't need any commie formats! 16.52.42 # Bagder: Windows users are bad about just clicking "okay" and going. That may plague RButil for H100/H120 users, and such. 16.53.44 Quit midgey () 16.53.50 # * Llorean likes making horribly broad generalizations. 16.54.02 # hm, x60 is nowhere to be found. but i like the look of the f40 16.54.15 Join lukaswayne9 [0] (n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 16.55.05 # i shall then be able to plug my wma player with open source replacement os into my apple computer with open source replacement os. i like the sound of that. 16.56.06 # directhex|work: you should give the original F40 firmware a chance. The SAT encryption of all the files is a really nice feature. 16.56.18 # hahaha 16.56.39 # Bagder: ok, I think I've talked enough nonsense for today.. 16.58.08 # bloody hell. £270 for an f40 from napster.co.uk 16.58.23 # tip: don't buy it from there :) 16.58.35 # directhex|work: but they probably give you a 'free' account to their services 16.58.36 Quit foolsh (Remote closed the connection) 16.58.55 # GodEater, i'm happy enough with £155 from expansys 16.59.11 # christ that's a lot 16.59.14 # markun, nope! 16.59.15 # I paid half that 16.59.26 # GodEater, import or ebay? 16.59.30 # ebay 16.59.37 # Bagder: Did you see the front page recent changes table? Some kind of character coding issue with "Matoušek"... 16.59.40 # I think I paid £76 all in 16.59.43 # including postage 16.59.47 # pondlife: yes I noticed 16.59.52 # but I'm ignoring for now 16.59.56 # :) 17.00.14 # unicode hurts my brain 17.00.20 # Sorry, I only seem to be talking about the website recently. 17.00.25 # GodEater, i want a phone number to moan at if there are problems 17.00.30 # Wish I had time to discuss playback. 17.00.33 # fair enough 17.00.44 # reaÅ‚Å‚y? 17.00.48 # I think joelonsoftware had a decent description of unicode recently 17.00.48 # Bagder: I was not sure I could use UTF-8 17.00.56 # it was the best explanation I've seen so far 17.02.01 # http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html 17.02.39 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host181-220-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 17.02.48 # anyone here? 17.02.53 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust351.brig.cable.ntl.com) 17.03.10 # noi, nobody 17.03.14 # lol 17.03.20 # Ghoulunat: no, these are all bots talking 17.03.26 # I meant to say "anyone here that can help me with the gigabeat build" 17.03.39 # but i Just woke up, bare with me :P 17.03.46 # Bagder, You are being a bit negative. 17.03.56 # * Bagder is hte grumpy kind 17.04.09 # * Llorean apparently grumpy++ then. 17.04.17 # With an "is" in the appropriate place. 17.04.34 # Ghoulunat: just awsk 17.04.36 # ask 17.04.36 # Ghoulunat: You'll probably be best off if you ask a question that can actually be answered. 17.04.38 # Bagder, Please go on. 17.04.59 # * Bagder leaves to go eating 17.05.05 # ok...welll 17.05.30 # http://www-ai.ijs.si/eliza-cgi-bin/eliza_script 17.05.34 # ow, damn, wrong paste 17.05.48 # I've got the newest ( I think) version of the gigabeat build, and the new bootloader, although it won't save any of my settings when I power off (volume and theme mostly) 17.06.14 # Ghoulunat: How do you power off? 17.06.33 # hold the button on the side 17.06.44 # Ghoulunat: strange, it works fine for me 17.06.49 # hmm 17.06.50 # And by "newest ( I think)" what exactly do you mean? 17.06.56 # Where did you download it from? 17.06.57 # it's kept the settings I think once 17.06.59 # here 17.07.04 # it was about a week ago I believe 17.07.15 # Seeing as builds are updated several times a day, that's far from "newest" 17.07.16 # Ghoulunat: do you turn on hold after you turn on the player? 17.07.32 # usually, yes 17.07.39 # Ghoulunat: that's your problem then 17.07.48 # That's our nice auto-reset-settings feature :) 17.08.02 # When it says "Clearing..." 17.08.25 # It's probably better not to use the hold switch for that if you can help it. We have trouble detecting early button presses on the ipod, so hold is the only thing that will work reliably. 17.08.27 # maybe we should make the auto reset a bit more complicated 17.08.42 # AFAIK, all other targets use RECORD. 17.08.49 # I see 17.08.57 # we could use A maybe 17.08.59 # * linuxstb wonders about the Player 17.09.02 # markun: Volume -? 17.09.12 # Llorean: what about it? 17.09.18 # As a suggestion for the button? 17.09.18 # ah, volume - button :) 17.09.31 # Since you're using Volume+ to restore the original firmware right now. 17.09.33 Join [IDC]Dragon [0] (i=d90a3c55@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-42f17859a216fb8b) 17.09.38 # who volunteers to redo the gigabeat key mapping? 17.09.46 # I want A and POWER swapped at least 17.09.57 # and the plugins could be a bit more consistant 17.10.16 # * Llorean can't make any promises, but has considered looking at it at some point. 17.10.45 # <[IDC]Dragon> irc logs are so colorful... 17.10.50 # Though if I did it, I'd probably be suggesting something nearly identical to the H100 keymap. 17.11.04 Quit perplexity (No route to host) 17.11.09 # * [IDC]Dragon only came in to check what color he'd be 17.11.25 # also, would there be any adverse effects if I deleted the Room software from my PC? because now it's like "OOH YOU HAVE FIRMWARE THAT WORKS! I WANT TO HELP!" 17.11.43 # Ghoulunat: delete it 17.11.44 # and every time I plug in the USB, that shit pops up 17.11.45 # ok 17.11.46 # <[IDC]Dragon> black, hmm 17.12.00 # or uninstall rather 17.12.04 # * Llorean has never installed the "Room" software 17.12.04 # yeah 17.13.05 # done. 17.13.24 # I seriously want to know what Toshiba was thinking when they made this thing. 17.13.49 # Ghoulunat, could be worse 17.13.53 # Ghoulunat, seen Sony Sonic Stage? 17.14.00 # Ghoulunat: I want to know what the hardware guys were thinking after they saw what the software guys had done to their baby.. 17.14.06 # I would wager something along the lines of "Right now the RIAA is suing everyone they get their hands on, if it's hard to copy music back OFF the device maybe we'll be safe" 17.14.31 # directhex|work: no 17.14.37 # Ghoulunat, don't. for the sake of your soul 17.14.52 # ok :P 17.15.18 # Llorean: yeah, that what I would have said 17.15.57 # someone seriously needs to take the board of directors at RIAA into a dark alley, and give them a thorough kicking 17.16.05 # amen. 17.16.11 # GodEater: I'm not entirely sure why someone would try to have their Sansa generate the database yet, since playback doesn't even work. 17.16.31 # well - I could have said that too Llorean. 17.16.35 # I'm trying to be nice recently though. 17.16.36 # :) 17.16.57 Join [[toffe]] [0] (n=[[toffe]@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 17.17.11 # I realised I was getting into the habit of wanting to start all my posts with "Duh!" 17.17.16 Nick [[toffe]] is now known as toffe (n=[[toffe]@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 17.17.19 # also, does anyone have one of those Griffin iTrips for non-iPods? 17.17.24 Join foolsh [0] (n=foolsh@74-135-178-234.dhcp.insightbb.com) 17.18.51 # I'm still struggling to work out the post from that guy who started talking about "installing linux being unnecessary" when I asked him not to point people at Rockbox Installer X. He was either a genius or completely insane. 17.19.07 # because either way, I had no idea what he was on about. 17.19.12 # 0_o 17.19.34 # GodEater: I'd lean toward the latter 17.20.04 # me too - but I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. Occasionally. 17.20.11 # haha 17.20.58 # now, if he started talking up "Room" or any other bad firmwares, you might want to have him shipped off 17.21.05 # you know, before he harms anyone 17.21.57 # We just have a lot of users who feel anything "easier" is automatically a better way. 17.22.04 # Especially among iPod users. 17.22.25 # Oi. 17.22.55 # This especially applies to installers, regardless of whether they install outdated versions of the bootloader. 17.23.30 # And Loader 2 for iPL is particularly popular because it offers a menu. A good chunk of iPod users are using our software for games, and are perfectly happy with the original firmware for music. 17.24.00 # anything that doesn't involve using a hex editor to install is a luxury, really 17.24.27 # I really don't get the appeal of loader 2 17.24.39 # Hmm...ah balls. I've gotta run 17.24.41 # Well, one thing I've learned here: It is a bad assumption that people searching out alternative firmware for their MP3 players even know what a command prompt *is* 17.24.41 # when I turn the thing on, I don't want to have to look at it and then push ANOTHER button 17.24.45 # about time for class 17.25.05 # thanks for your help guys :) 17.25.09 # I'll be back though 17.25.27 # I'm curious to know how people who are ignorant of command prompts even work out what an alternative firmware is 17.25.54 # as far as I can see their equally "techy" 17.26.00 # s/their/they're 17.26.05 # GodEater: Someone on iLounge tells them that Rockbox can put Doom on their iPod. 17.26.21 # ah - that makes perfect sense 17.26.26 # ask a silly question 17.26.26 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 17.26.32 # They don't know what an alternative firmware is. 17.27.08 # perhaps porting to iPod was a bad idea.... 17.27.26 # * markun blames linuxstb and preglow 17.27.30 # Nah, the only real problem here is that I don't have absolute administrative control over the rest of the internet. 17.27.39 # hahahahaha 17.27.48 # your jackboots ain't that big yet huh ? 17.28.37 # Anyway, I'm thinking about maybe abstracting the install process a little bit. 17.28.46 # I think we should make it REALLY hard 17.28.48 # not easier 17.28.54 # scare these people away 17.28.56 # :) 17.28.57 # Well, the problem is that there's too much documentation. 17.28.58 # It should definitely require vi 17.29.01 # People don't bother reading it. 17.29.04 # Or skip over chunks. 17.29.11 # pah 17.29.12 # eflin 17.29.17 # s/eflin/edlin 17.29.32 # Most of the install processes could be simplified to about two pages of text that you don't have to hunt for in a manual. 17.29.56 # the rockbox site generally seems a little like text overkill. finding specific information is a chore 17.29.56 # We already have the IpodInstallationBeta page for example 17.30.39 # Or just work to incorporate ipodpatcher into rbutil... 17.30.57 # True, rbutil simplifies it a lot. 17.31.09 # is there only one person working on rbutil ? 17.31.42 # Yes, and she isn't around IRC very often, so I don't know if she's actually working on it at all. 17.32.09 # Last I heard from her was that she was fighting with Windows USB device detection. 17.32.12 # last time she was here she was cursing some aspect of device detection on windows as I recall 17.32.17 # hahahaha 17.32.18 # :) 17.32.35 # * GodEater looks round to see if linuxstb is standing behind him 17.33.24 Join perplexity [0] (n=joust@dxb-as53776.alshamil.net.ae) 17.33.57 # the funniest part about the whole rockbox on ipods issue is that the 1st thing people ask about it (after they saw doom of course) is how they can play videos 17.34.23 # you have an odd sense of humour.... 17.34.41 # :) 17.34.42 # it's better than asking how to play doom imo :) 17.34.54 # perl|work: Everyone wants to make their device do something it couldn't do before, rather than make it do what they bought it for, better. 17.35.01 Quit perldiver (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.35.18 # * pondlife agrees and sighs 17.35.41 # Llorean well yeah, but with 5g ipods... 17.35.43 # The "itunes/ipod experience" also appears to be liked by some people, meaning Rockbox is just for games. 17.35.55 # If it were my jackboots, there would be an iPod port but no games or plugins (apart from diagnostics) 17.36.42 Quit foolsh (Remote closed the connection) 17.37.03 # It's barmy that iPod users can play doom but suffer lockups listening to music when their CPU needs boosting.. ;-) 17.43.42 # any news on arrangements / plans for devcon2007 yet ? 17.45.31 Nick Everybody|away is now known as Everybody (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 17.48.20 # it's still very cold in stockholm :) 17.48.34 # and ? 17.48.47 # I've wintered there before - doesn't bother me much 17.51.08 # provided you're not planning on doing the devcon in Kungstragarden ? 17.51.26 # excuse my lack of swedish keyboard, I gave up looking for the compose sequence 17.51.43 # Oh, hi [IDC]Dragon :) 17.51.43 # heh, i think it's "a 17.52.52 # That would be Shift+Compose+2 here 17.53.04 Part Llorean 17.54.24 # which gets me -> â…› 17.54.56 # you're not supposed to hold compose 17.56.17 # not holding compose gets- > ä 17.56.25 # which I still think is the wrong letter 17.56.31 # but my swedish is rusty 17.56.34 # no, that's the one 17.56.39 # but then you also want oa 17.56.45 # Kungsträdgården 17.56.48 # ah 17.56.52 # that doesn't come out here 17.57.04 # i have utf8 by default 17.57.04 # I get junk where the missing vowels are 17.57.21 # Kungsträdgården 17.57.26 # the same 17.57.28 # doesn't look like UTF-8 here 17.57.39 # hm wait i don't have utf8 by default :) 17.57.40 # I get that weird ? on a black diamond background 17.57.46 # KungsträdgÃ¥rden 17.57.50 # that should be utf-8 though 17.57.51 # Mikachu: much better :) 17.57.57 # that's better 17.59.54 # anyway - unless you were planning on holding devcon out of doors 17.59.57 Quit dune2 ("Leaving") 18.00.01 # I don't think it matters much 18.00.14 # i'm not involved, i don't like cold weather though :) 18.02.39 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC") 18.02.58 Quit linuxstb ("Client Exiting") 18.04.17 # Mikachu: Your non-utf8 version looks ok here, utf8 doesn't 18.04.46 # amiconn: doesn't surprise me at all :) 18.04.49 # well, then you're not using utf8, it's hard to send both encodings at the same time :) 18.05.08 # i'm not going to be speaking a lot of swedish with you in here though 18.06.16 # my german is also fairly limited 18.06.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.09.42 # hehe 18.09.52 # Windows usually doesn't use utf8 18.11.55 Join andrewg_ [0] (n=andrew@stjhnf0124w-142162091098.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) 18.14.04 # isn't it more or less up to the app to support it? 18.14.35 # i don't remember, utf8 wasn't very popular when i used windows :) 18.14.38 # :) I register on the wiki and the confirmation mail was seen as a spam by gmail 18.15.01 # their algorithm probably regognizes identical mails sent to multiple people from the same host 18.15.05 # <[IDC]Dragon> Oh, hi Jens! 18.15.20 Nick Everybody is now known as Everybody|ingame (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 18.16.16 # can somebody give me write access on the wiki ? 18.17.47 # markun ? 18.18.25 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484A3F3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.19.53 Quit andrewg (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.24.20 Quit pondlife (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.27.20 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B97C11.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.29.30 Join Redbreva [0] (n=chatzill@host86-144-107-44.range86-144.btcentralplus.com) 18.34.11 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.36.51 Quit SaLoMoN (Excess Flood) 18.37.06 Join SaLoMoN [0] (n=SaLo@salooo.org) 18.38.09 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B97C11.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.38.27 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc3-rdng11-0-0-cust229.winn.cable.ntl.com) 18.39.31 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 18.39.37 # hello everybody went to lunch :) 18.40.09 # what's your wiki name toffe ? 18.40.20 # ChristopheNicolas 18.40.49 Quit perplexity (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.40.57 # welcome, write access granted 18.41.04 # ok thank you 18.46.09 Quit tvelocity ("ΑποχώÏησε") 18.46.10 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A965D8.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.47.33 Join GodEater [0] (n=bryan@host-83-146-13-11.bulldogdsl.com) 18.47.41 Join TravisH [0] (i=TravisH@ACC02117.ipt.aol.com) 18.48.20 # hurrah - my F40 arrived 18.48.37 # Good for you 18.48.57 # welcome to the club ;) 18.49.14 Join crculver [0] (n=crculver@adsl-212-16-103-21.taloyhtioverkot.fi) 18.49.20 # time for some instant rockbox-ing 18.49.30 # (after having first read the instructions of course) ;) 18.49.42 # Is : not allowed on the FAT32 filesystem Rockbox uses, requiring me to change the names of all my files? 18.50.03 # why all of your files have : ? 18.50.07 # crculver: correct ":" is not a valid filename char 18.50.22 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54967407.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.50.23 # Well, I guess I can write a script to take care of that in the copying. 18.50.42 # And does the filesystem allow UTF-8, or do I need to strip all non-ASCII chars? 18.51.11 Quit fasmaie (Remote closed the connection) 18.51.26 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18.56.45 # crculver: fat supports utf8, but not some windows reserved characters such as : ! < > ? etc 18.57.54 # crculver: fat uses UCS-2, which supports a subset of unicode except some special characters. The FAT specification lists those 18.58.21 # if you somehow create files with those chars, they will show fine in rockbox though 18.58.29 Nick Everybody|ingame is now known as Everybody (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 19.00.18 Join inversions [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 19.00.53 # linux also tolerates some violations of the FAT spec. Those files will work nicely in linux and RB but windows will be unable to access them 19.01.14 Quit pondlife ("disconnected has pondlife") 19.02.30 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) 19.10.46 # rockbox can still rename files to illegal names too... 19.11.07 # fine by me :) 19.11.53 # Hey, i have a quick question with SVN. I added a bunch of patches and screwed up a bunch of source files, is there a way to have SVN redownload only the changed files and leave the others so i dont have to download the entire source again? 19.12.55 # svn revert 19.13.05 Quit mirak (Remote closed the connection) 19.13.17 # it will in fact not redownload anything when you run that command, it keeps copies of all original files locally 19.13.20 # Great! Thanks a lot. 19.13.31 # (so you can run svn diff offline) 19.13.36 # That is even better. 19.15.02 Join Soul-Slayer [0] (n=Jonno@89.241.199.240) 19.15.13 # <[IDC]Dragon> cu 19.15.15 # Great, that's all I was worried about in using Rockbox. Thanks for the help 19.15.19 Quit [IDC]Dragon ("CGI:IRC") 19.17.17 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 19.18.11 Part crculver ("Ex-Chat") 19.18.37 Join fasmaie [0] (i=1000@cpe-65-24-91-251.columbus.res.rr.com) 19.19.04 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m204.net81-65-15.noos.fr) 19.20.46 Join diotalevi [0] (n=jbenjore@mail0.w3data.com) 19.29.56 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 19.29.59 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 19.30.05 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 19.31.23 Part kaaloo 19.31.29 Join webguest65 [0] (i=46348342@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-aa40ee422e9f0665) 19.31.52 Quit robin0800 ("Oops. My brain just hit a bad sector") 19.32.18 # Having trouble getting mpg videos to play on my ipod under rockbox, any suggestions? 19.33.51 Quit BigBambi (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.34.56 # webguest65 : did you try this one : http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxExtras 19.35.16 # yeah ive tried using VLC to convert the videos 19.35.17 # There are known to be working 19.35.24 # but they dont seem to want to play 19.36.02 # you don't have to reencode them , there are ready to play 19.36.23 # it just freezes at "Buffering..." 19.36.30 # what ipod do you have ? 19.36.43 # 30gig video, 5th gen 19.37.52 # How large are the videos? 19.38.11 # the one im trying to play is 11 minutes, approximately 17 megs 19.38.14 # markun: Your latest CREDITS addition has a slight problem: it uses an utf-8 char which is not part of iso8859-1 19.38.43 Nick Everybody is now known as Everybody|away (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 19.38.46 # Have you tried playing smaller ones? I have had problems with larger videos before - may be worth a try. 19.39.01 # It's the first entry doing so, and it won't show up correctly with many fonts, and on the player 19.39.21 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4bd35ffa4d34d941) 19.39.54 # im downloading that sample video off the site, to see if its my videos or the player 19.40.19 Quit TravisH () 19.40.21 # Does anyone know how well the 'Kernel on COP' patch works right now? The patch written for PP targets (In my case, the H10) 19.40.26 # amiconn: aha, do you think we should fix the player to show a S here instead or do you want to change his name? 19.40.59 # I will eventually extend the player's capabilities to map such characters to a plain s, but what about the bitmap targets? 19.42.08 # yes, good question.. 19.42.25 # With unicode we *could* switch to using the proper utf-8 chars in CREDITS, but then we would have to convert all names 19.42.57 Part trypee 19.43.03 # ...and we would end up with a crazy mix of plain latin, various accented latin chars, greek, cyrillic, chinese, japanese... 19.43.14 Join KCC [0] (n=a@CPE0018e7004bcf-CM001225708556.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 19.43.22 # Not many fonts would be able to show that mixture 19.43.24 # Soul-Slayer: Everything I've heard suggests it's not working well right now. 19.44.09 # dan_a: Do you know if it degrades performance, or just doesn't enhance? Or enhances by a slight amount? Or are you unaware :p. 19.45.10 # Degrades. I need to test it and investigate, but I've got too much paid work to do at the moment 19.45.56 Quit zylche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.46.05 # Fair enough :p. 19.46.39 # * GodEater spots a missing word from the gigabeat install manual and patches the manual 19.48.08 # okay so that video plays.. 19.48.13 # * linuxstb_ feels up to adding a word to the manual 19.48.36 # I'll have a diff in a second 19.48.38 # webguest65: How did you encode your video? 19.48.44 # In which case, it's either how your videos are encoded, or their size. 19.48.49 # I just realised my source tree is full of attempts at hacking the fat driver though 19.48.53 # GodEater: If it's just one word, just tell me. 19.49.01 # ok 19.49.08 # under installing the bootloader 19.49.11 Join zylche [0] (n=wheee@82-41-83-91.cable.ubr01.dund.blueyonder.co.uk) 19.49.31 # "Make sure you have configured your browser *to* show hidden file" 19.49.40 # s/file/files 19.49.49 # i just used VLC, and used mpeg-1/mpeg audio 19.49.49 # * dan_a wonders if it is possible to replace the Microdrive in an iriver H10 19.49.56 # second bullet point 19.50.04 # this video has sound, but no video ;s 19.50.14 Quit Wiwie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.50.53 # webguest65: Are you using Windows? If so, did you use the .bat file provided? 19.51.09 # im using windows yes, but where would this bat file be? 19.51.15 # One moment. 19.51.48 # GodEater: Committed. 19.52.17 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer 19.52.17 # Scroll down to 'How to encode files', if you look a little lower down there should be a link to 'VLC-transcode.bat'. Download that and edit it to the correct screen resolution, stated above 19.52.42 # webguest65: You probably encoded it to AVI - I think that's the default for vlc. 19.52.43 # Then drag and drop your file onto that .bat file and wait for it to complete. 19.53.11 # mpegplayer expects an MPEG program stream. 19.53.30 # i understand that and i DID encode it as mpeg 19.53.36 Part diotalevi 19.53.42 # Ack, very sorry, don't follow my instructions, just noticed it is out of date :$. 19.53.53 # oh, lol 19.54.56 # Hold on, I do know of one other automated way 19.55.07 # webguest65: What was the vlc command-line you used? 19.55.55 # http://misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=51189 Have a look at that, 'should' do the trick. 19.56.12 # didnt use a command line, just used the graphical thing 19.56.37 # linuxstb_, amiconn, do you know if i still have my commit access? 19.57.17 # Not unless you've emailed Bagder with your old CVS username and a new SVN password. 19.57.49 # ohh ok... so can you commit spider for me?? 19.59.09 # What's the rush? Just ask Bagder to enable your SVN account. 19.59.22 # GodEater: how's the installation going? 19.59.40 # haha :) 20.00.04 # markun it's not - the battery needs charging :) 20.00.36 # soul, those zip files are both corrupt :p 20.00.55 # They are? Works fine for myself - What unextractor do you use? 20.01.07 # just winrar 20.01.28 # Hmm, was fine for me in Winzip 11 20.01.53 # Paprica: Also, I'm not sure new plugins should be added which only support such a small number of targets. 20.02.54 # Soul-Slayer: Winzip 11 default setting is not widely compatible - try winzip 2 (legacy) 20.03.05 # 4 targets... the others have a small screennn 20.03.41 # Redbreva: It's not a zip file I am distributing, I am just reporting that I was able to unextract it okay. I could try recompressing for him however. 20.03.46 # And uploading elsewhere 20.04.52 # webguest65: Out of interest, why don't you just dual boot with the original Apple firmware and use that for it's video viewing capacities? The Mpeg player plugin is still quite tempremental and in development 20.07.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.09.36 Join rp- [0] (n=rp@193.154.222.107) 20.09.39 # wtf 20.09.43 Quit Siku (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 20.09.46 # how can my p2 350MHz show xvid flawlessy 20.11.17 # Why not? 20.11.33 # i thought it is too slow for that 20.11.52 # i guess i were wrong 20.12.00 # but now i need to take a shower 20.12.36 # markun: I found a power port nearer the laptop - so I'm going to start my install now ;) 20.13.28 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 20.13.36 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 20.14.59 # Paprica: Solitaire displays 7 columns of cards on the Archos 112x64 display, so if you use those bitmaps, you should be able to support the 160x128 and larger LCDs. 20.15.47 # GodEater : the gigabeat should charge through the usb 20.16.16 # ah well - I've got it plugged into both =/ 20.16.45 # and that is what i love on my ipod: 20.16.49 # [18147.166822] Buffer I/O error on device sda2, logical block 14603084 20.16.51 # oh no, you're cross charging the power company from your laptop! ;] 20.16.57 # so lot of those when i plug it into linux :> 20.17.10 # do you think it's a broken drive or just partitions messed up? 20.17.20 # GodEater : I think that if the battery is completely discharge, you have to wait if you connect only through the usb 20.17.33 # it works fine on windows though and it can't find errors from it 20.18.03 Join entheh [0] (n=purr@88-106-250-84.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 20.19.43 # heh - successfully installed 20.20.10 # linuxstb_: (hmm, how many linuxstb* are there??) The solitaire cards for archos are adjusted for the non-square pixel aspect of the archos lcd. But it shouldn't be too difficult to make a card set with the same card width, adjusted for square pixels 20.20.24 # had to switch the battery off to get it to reset properly though 20.20.36 Nick linuxstb__ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 20.20.56 # And yes, afaik spider uses 10 columns, hence it should be possible to support LCDs of 160x128 and up 20.21.07 # Sorry about the multiple nicks, I generally move between my laptop and desktop during the evening so have two IRC clients open. 20.21.23 # Freecell would be a little less demanding - only 8 columns 20.21.24 # Yes, I forgot about the aspect ratio. 20.22.46 # So the only targets not (practically) supportable in spider would be the archoses, the iFP and the minis 20.23.12 # A card-game library in the plugin lib would seem useful. 20.23.56 # Oh, and the small H10 20.24.29 # I can't see how a lib would help. Our displays are generally small, so the cards should be as large as possible on each target 20.25.06 # The possible card size then depends on the game 20.25.15 # svg cards then obviously :) 20.25.33 # * GodEater ducks 20.26.33 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@unaffiliated/funky) 20.28.33 # I was just thinking of some simple functions to display the cards, possibly with a user-selectable choice of card styles, and the ability to display cards of different sizes. 20.30.31 Join Siku [0] (n=Siku@f303b.w3.tontut.fi) 20.31.36 # * GodEater spots that he's left a Norton Ghost image of a PC from work amongst his music collection. Which is now in mid copy to his Gigabeat. Doh. 20.31.43 # markun: yeah you got that right, It is too difficult for me to differentiate all those colours in the new irec log reader 20.32.16 # markun: that's why I am going to nag Zagor to let us choose our colour choice for each Nick and add background colour highlighting too 20.32.18 # :P 20.32.46 # just promise now to share any more screenshots of your resulting masterpiece XavierGr ;) 20.33.16 # I am proud of it :D 20.33.41 # Actually I am thinking to make an irc script that does just like that on whole external text files 20.35.43 # * amiconn wonders how the irc colouring script chooses colours 20.35.58 # blindfold and pointy stick approach I think 20.35.59 # linuxstb and linuxstb_ are coloured differently... 20.36.12 # something interesting for the ipod user : http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/present.php?p=Nike_iPod-Internals 20.36.16 # I think the algorithm uses the first, middle and last characters. 20.36.29 # ...and markun is next to invisible 20.36.35 # I need to change nick then - I don't like being brown. 20.36.44 # I want to be blue or something 20.37.01 # You'll need to r-e the algorithm then... 20.37.05 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 20.37.24 # * linuxstb looks forward to speaking to BodFaten 20.37.35 # hehehe 20.37.58 # it has to be done now doesn't it ? 20.38.03 Nick GodEater is now known as BodFaten (n=bryan@host-83-146-13-11.bulldogdsl.com) 20.38.26 # looks like the script colors "The" 20.38.30 # hmm 20.38.33 Join |Rincewind| [0] (i=MdE9fVrr@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 20.38.40 # Blue :) 20.38.49 # nice guess 20.38.54 # <|Rincewind|> hi 20.39.03 # or nice r-e-ing ;) 20.39.13 # Lucky guess. 20.39.31 Nick BodFaten is now known as GodEater (n=bryan@host-83-146-13-11.bulldogdsl.com) 20.39.33 # <|Rincewind|> does anyone where I have to add code to make a new global setting? 20.39.35 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 20.40.43 # * GodEater points markun and toffe at the forums 20.40.47 # <|Rincewind|> there is a "know" missing in my last sentence 20.41.33 # |Rincewind|: I'd guess settings.c and settings_list.c and maybe settings_menu.c 20.41.49 # tried grepping for "global_settings"? 20.42.46 # I see another idiot has posted to the 80GB thread that didn't bother to read the rest of it 20.42.46 # sheesh 20.43.10 # Maybe it's an attempt to actually make the thread 80GB big? ;) 20.43.19 # <|Rincewind|> bluebrother: the output uf that is a little bit too much ^^ 20.43.26 # it still has some catching up to do I think 20.43.30 # the sansa one is HUGE! 20.43.42 # try struct user_settings in apps/settings.h 20.43.53 Quit webguest65 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 20.44.02 # you need to restrict grep to promising files only of course 20.44.51 Quit Redbreva (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.45.19 # <|Rincewind|> I figured out settings.h and settings_list.c but I don't really know what to put in settings.c and if there are more changes needed elsewhere 20.45.40 # * bluebrother decides to leave uni for today ... seen too much bad code this day :( 20.45.42 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.65.51) 20.45.42 # |Rincewind|: If I was you, I would find a similar setting, and then search the files for references to it. 20.45.54 # And then do the same for your new setting. 20.46.24 # * GodEater watches the Vista launch on TV 20.46.51 # <|Rincewind|> that's the way to go, yes. I was just hoping that someone here has added a setting to the new system and can give me a shortcut 20.47.27 # No, I don't think any new settings have been added since the change. 20.48.11 # * n1s knows someone who removed a setting tho ;-) 20.48.29 # <|Rincewind|> the problem is, there are a lot of function calls in settings.c that apply the settings but I don't know if that means that I have to write a function that does this, too. 20.49.04 # <|Rincewind|> they look like this: " spdif_power_enable(global_settings.spdif_enable);" 20.49.19 Quit Soul-Slayer ("Leaving.") 20.49.28 Join Soul-Slayer [0] (n=Jonno@89.241.199.240) 20.49.31 # Depends on whether your code is apps or firmware 20.49.56 # Code in firmware must not access global_settings directly, hence the settings must be applied explicitly 20.50.22 Quit Thundercloud (Operation timed out) 20.50.26 # <|Rincewind|> my code is definatly apps 20.54.40 # <|Rincewind|> ok, it looks like the only files I have to make changes to are settings.h and settings_list.c 21.04.07 Quit Hotfusion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.07.40 Quit XavierGr () 21.15.36 Join decayedcell [0] (i=3ba7bfc7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-62c5f2f25574134c) 21.16.15 # has anyone takin apart a belkin tunetalk yet or know how to make a jack that tricks the ipud into going to the record screen? 21.17.42 # Why do you want to trick the Apple firmware? Just finish recording support in Rockbox... 21.18.04 # recordi with rockbox has alot of noise 21.18.27 # i don't know if it's from the hard drive or other parts 21.18.28 # Because it's not finished. 21.18.57 # The code in SVN is no more than a proof-of-concept. 21.19.18 # There's no gain control, and there's a good chance the ADC isn't configured optimally. 21.19.18 # i'm aware of that dave ;) just curious if anyone has annihilated a tunetalk yet 21.19.46 # But this is #rockbox... 21.19.58 # it is impressive rb has got recording workin on alot of units, where's the ipodlinux fellas have yet to get working 21.20.18 # good call sorry for the dumb question here 21.20.36 Quit decayedcell ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 21.21.05 # Do you have a tunetalk? It would be useful to know if it works in Rockbox. 21.21.50 # nah i haven't bothered throwin down that much cash for a dumb little device, i just have the line-in jack i made from the linux gys schematics 21.22.01 # if i do get one i will let you know though 21.22.13 # and then take it apart 21.25.07 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 21.26.56 Quit Thundercloud_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.30.47 Join decayedcell [0] (n=decayed_@ppp191-199.lns2.mel4.internode.on.net) 21.31.56 # linuxstb_: i was told rb supports compact flash, is that right? can i put a cf card in an ipod as a drive replacement and run rb? 21.33.55 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.34.29 Join andrewg [0] (n=andrew@stjhnf0124w-142162085037.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) 21.34.53 # BiptoN: possibly the ata startup ata tests will complain, but otherwise it should work fine 21.35.14 # i tried one in my x5 and it gave an error -11 21.35.17 # hmm 21.35.27 # that's good i have a 4g with no hd now 21.35.47 Quit decayedcell (Remote closed the connection) 21.36.06 Join decayedcell [0] (n=decayed_@ppp191-199.lns2.mel4.internode.on.net) 21.36.46 # BiptoN: try commenting out various parts of ata.c:init_and_check() 21.37.13 # zagor: alright, thanks for the info, i'll have to try that tonight 21.37.38 # BiptoN: There's some info (and a patch I think) in the wiki by someone who put a CF card in an ipod mini - that may help. 21.38.15 Join Wiwie [0] (n=goddi@trir-590fa2b9.pool.einsundeins.de) 21.38.17 # thanks linuxstb_ 21.38.21 Quit spiorf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.38.58 Part decayedcell 21.39.04 Quit andrewg_ (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 21.40.20 # Zagor: Is there a download dir that presents the raw irc log files? 21.40.49 Join Terinjokes [0] (n=terin@wikinews/Terinjokes) 21.40.57 # any ipod nano 2GB users? 21.41.02 # amiconn: no, there's only the "view raw" link 21.41.25 # but the filenames are pretty predictable :) 21.41.28 # linuxstb_: do you have an id # of that? I'm not pullin' it up in any searches 21.41.39 # Hmm. Somehow I need to teach DownThemAll to find the files 21.42.09 Join Redbreva [0] (n=chatzill@host86-144-107-44.range86-144.btcentralplus.com) 21.42.24 # Terinjokes: yeah, somewhat 21.43.15 Quit Soul-Slayer ("Leaving.") 21.43.25 Join Soul-Slayer [0] (n=Jonno@89.241.199.240) 21.44.02 # disconnecting... 21.44.27 # amiconn: that's the fun of running windows :) 21.45.13 # DownThemAll is a firefox plugin, hence platform independent 21.45.52 # i use DtA on my PPC/Linux system :D 21.46.23 # my point was that downloading files daily is a typical cron job. not an applicaiton thing. 21.46.32 # I don't download daily 21.46.43 # I know - you run windows 21.46.43 # curl -O 'http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-200701[01-29].txt' 21.46.46 Quit lukaswayne9 (Remote closed the connection) 21.47.25 # Zagor: That has nothing to do with the OS of choice 21.47.35 # On a laptop you can't download daily 21.47.37 # Terinjokes: are you still after a replacement apple firmware file ? 21.47.51 # GodEater: yes 21.48.04 # http://www.felixbruns.de/iPod/firmware/ 21.48.10 # Bagder: Hmm, does that back off from downloading files which are already there? 21.48.10 # they're all available there 21.48.24 # amiconn: no it does not, you need to adjust the dates 21.48.43 # GodEater: which iPod Nano should I be using (is there a difference?) 21.49.25 # Nano 1G 17.1.3 I'd guess 21.49.31 # * Zagor quietly notes that his laptop downloads files daily, but drops the subject 21.49.41 # just not the 2G of course 21.50.31 # naturally, its downloading in ipsw format... is this like a dd'd image or something (i know iTunes uses it... but I don't have iTunes) 21.50.52 # the .ipsw is a zip file 21.50.52 # unzip it 21.51.04 # Terinjokes: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8069.0 21.51.12 # linuxstb wrote a nice guide there 21.51.42 # once you've dd'd the unzip firmware to your firmware partition, your ipod will need rebooting - and you need to leave it alone cos it'll immediately do a firmware upgrade 21.51.43 # * amiconn wonders whether he's the only one who thinks that too much automation is bad 21.52.04 # * preglow does too 21.52.18 # * GodEater doesn't 21.52.23 # * amiconn reminds Zagor of what run away cronjobs can do ;) 21.52.28 # touche 21.52.32 # haha 21.52.55 # omgz0r! Th3y h4x0r th3 s1t3!!! 21.53.20 # * Bagder reminds amiconn how much our cronjobs do 21.54.33 # crontab -l | grep -vc "^#" 21.54.33 # 21 21.54.36 # thanks :D 21.54.38 Part Terinjokes 21.54.55 # (on the web site server) 21.55.56 # I'm not saying that cronjobs are bad in general 21.57.14 # * GodEater is very *very* impressed with the gigabeat port 21.57.27 # On a side note, windows has an equivalent of cronjobs. For those hard core commandliners, there's even a command line interface to it: the 'at' command 21.57.45 # cron does more than at 21.57.48 # afaik 21.57.51 # which is a huge gaping security hole in windows too! 21.57.59 # windows equivalent is rather poor the last time I tried it 21.58.00 # like most things 21.58.04 # * linuxstb_ points to his "manual" download scripts for the logs - http://pastebin.ca/333301 21.58.16 # Admin rights not enough for you ?!?! Use "at" and you get "SYSTEM" instead!!! 21.59.06 # ... and linuxstb's script could use curl -z to make it not download already downloaded files... 21.59.10 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 21.59.24 # If I had read the curl manual... 21.59.36 # hehe 21.59.54 # hey, there's only a 115 command line options! 22.00.03 # a trifling amount 22.00.05 # * linuxstb_ expects curl to be able to do the whole script itself 22.00.42 Quit GodEater ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 22.00.56 # Bagder: the shell can expand the numbers too, {01..29} :) 22.01.09 # "the shell" not being portable then... 22.01.17 # i even tried it in bash 22.01.21 Quit robin0800_ ("IceChat - Its what Cool People use") 22.01.27 # bash isn't portable by my standards 22.01.40 # it's what cygwin uses isn't it? 22.01.40 # but sure, some shells do that 22.01.41 # 01..29 doesn't keep the leading zeros though (at least in my bash) 22.01.58 # Mikachu: yes it is 22.02.05 # ah, zsh does though :) 22.02.19 # well never mind then 22.02.20 # but curl runs on a few other systems than cygwin and linux ;-) 22.02.38 # * Bagder shuts up now 22.03.17 # in a pinch you can {0{1..9},{10..31}} 22.03.48 # I think it's easier to just type them out manually... 22.04.49 # if you want all 5 years of irclogs i'm not so sure 22.07.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.09.13 Join Terinjokes [0] (n=terin@wikinews/Terinjokes) 22.09.16 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 22.09.34 Join wooo [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 22.09.34 # grr... can't corrupt the partation table enough for the iPod to accept a new one 22.09.53 # trying to corrupt the partition table? 22.10.02 # yeah, so I can fix the ipod 22.10.16 # ?? 22.10.39 # long story... 22.10.57 # Terinjokes: what platform are you on? 22.11.10 # Can't you just "dd" a new partition table to it? 22.11.19 # From http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ 22.11.30 # nevertheless, whatever I do, i only get '/dev/sda' and '/dev/sda1' (where is the ipod partation!) 22.11.33 # does fdisk work for redoing the partitions? 22.11.52 # Terinjokes: Are you on Linux or cygwin? 22.12.00 # linuxstb: I AM DDing the mbr onto the ipod, it doesn't seem to take effect though... 22.12.07 # linuxstb_: GNU/Gentoo 22.12.21 Join rotator [0] (n=e@rockbox/developer/rotator) 22.12.23 # Have you disconnected and then reattached your ipod? 22.12.28 # yep 22.12.54 # fdisk shows no partations.. 22.13.18 # What command did you use with dd? 22.13.25 # s/command/options/ 22.15.02 # 'dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=10' then after ejecting and repluging 'dd if=Desktop/mbr-ipod-nano.bin of=/dev/sda' and ejecting and replugging 22.15.05 Quit darkless ("Leaving") 22.15.42 # mbr-ipod-nano.bin isn't the correct filename - where did you get the file from? 22.15.47 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.219.119) 22.16.05 Quit inversions (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 22.16.16 # yeah, the IRC window is above the desktop (moves window) i'm using 'mbr-nano2gb.bin' 22.16.40 Quit fasmaie (Remote closed the connection) 22.16.42 # hmm 22.16.54 # Try deleting it and downloading again. And you only need count=1, not count=10. 22.17.19 # wouldn't count=10 overwrite the fw partition? 22.17.30 # Mikachu: the point... 22.17.32 # No, there are 62 spare sectors 22.17.43 Join fasmaie [0] (i=1000@cpe-65-24-91-251.columbus.res.rr.com) 22.17.51 # i haven't gotten to put the firmware partation on the ipod yet (its missing...) 22.17.52 # (Rockbox used to use one of those sectors for the config block) 22.17.59 # if you want to overwrite the firmware partition, write to sda1 22.18.33 Quit Wiwie (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 22.24.32 # hrm, seems to be writing anyways... (goes to make rockbox 22.24.36 # ipodpatcher* 22.26.12 # * Terinjokes goes to checkout all of rockbox to build ipodpatcher... 22.26.40 # apart from tetex-base and tetex-extra, what else do I need to compile manuals? Sims and build make OK, but manuals fail 22.27.26 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 22.27.51 # tetex-base and tetex-bin here 22.28.24 # Hey, what's songdbj in svn? 22.28.27 # but I'm not sure what's needed 22.28.40 # got base, bin and extra :-( 22.28.42 # Building the html manual is a mostly hit and miss 22.29.10 # Even with htlatex installed it may fails with all sorts of error messages 22.29.35 # I'm trying to get the pdf manual 22.30.02 # What's the error message you get? 22.30.36 # This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.141592-1.21a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.4) 22.30.49 # ! LaTeX Error: Missing \begin{document}. 22.30.55 Join lowlight [0] (i=c730190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-eeaf81a4be002700) 22.32.15 # Which target? 22.32.23 # nano 22.32.48 # Redbreva: stupid question but do you have the manual source in your tree? 22.33.02 # yes, I can see it.. 22.33.27 # TrueJournals: db generator in java for the old format 22.34.09 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.34.22 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 22.34.23 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.34.30 # Hmm, I could build the manual in the past, but now get the svnversion help text followed by an error about character encoding. 22.34.45 # I mean an iconv error about bad input sequence 22.35.06 # hmm, svn update and make again - this time I too get the iconv error 22.35.21 # position 6664? 22.35.28 # Yes. 22.35.33 # Maybe the CREDITS file. 22.35.37 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.215.12) 22.35.39 Part ydo 22.35.41 # Glad it's not just me 22.35.47 Quit Zagor ("Leaving") 22.35.55 Quit lowlight ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 22.36.21 # crap, I can't get the iPod bin file onto the ipod 22.36.50 Join sonnybobiche [0] (i=staveito@dyn-shp-226-179.dyn.columbia.edu) 22.37.08 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 22.37.10 # linuxstb_, Redbreva: I can confirm that error here too, worked fine with svn of yesterday, updated and boom. 22.37.17 # what clever person came up with perl credits.pl < ../docs/CREDITS | iconv -f utf-8 -t iso-8859-1 > $(OBJDIR)/CREDITS.tex ? 22.37.30 Quit Terinjokes ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12") 22.37.51 # so... rockbox on my 5.5gen ipod seems to randomly freeze. it keeps playing music but doesnt respond to any controls. can't even turn it off 22.37.56 # Mikachu: looks wrong way around? 22.38.10 # i don't know, tex doesn't support utf8 22.38.13 # hmm Jakub Matousek (accent over the s) 22.38.33 # but you can't just convert utf-8 to latin1 22.38.36 # Redbreva: yes, remove the strange s and you're fine 22.38.44 # at least I was 22.39.43 # which file contains that text? 22.39.46 # anyone have an idea whas going wrong with my setup? 22.41.13 # Mikachu: well, I assume the idea is to get a good result as can be done 22.41.39 # i guess you want to transliterate, but i don't know how to do that 22.41.54 Quit OgMaciel ("Ex-Chat") 22.42.57 Join homielowe [0] (n=chatzill@d206-116-140-208.bchsia.telus.net) 22.43.14 # OK, found it... it's in Docs not manual - getting the hang of it.. 22.43.50 # maybe the safest way would be to maintain a separate latin1 credits file manually 22.43.55 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 22.44.12 # Mikachu: what specifically is wrong with the result of that command? the output looks good to me. 22.44.49 # Zagor: the problem is apparently that someone with a latin2 name contributed to rockbox and made the command fail :) 22.45.04 Join maretard [0] (i=18627143@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-accd53db5a032f20) 22.45.10 # hello! 22.45.19 # can't we just ask those countries to stop using those letters? ;-P 22.45.29 # http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/docs/CREDITS?r1=12158&r2=12159 22.45.32 # * Zagor runs svn up 22.45.37 # Mikachu: ahaaa! 22.45.50 # hey guys, i've got a quick question - does anyone know if the mpegplayer plugin is supposed to be bundled with the H10 20gig firmware? i can't find the plugin o_O 22.46.34 # Read the PluginMpegplayer wiki page - mpegplayer is included, but it's a "viewer" - you just select a .mpg file in the file browser to launch it. 22.46.48 # when did CREDITS become utf-8 anyway? do we actually use utf8 anywehere? 22.47.05 # add Jakub Matou?\197?\161ek to the credits on the front page does tend to suggest it's not a regular character 22.47.27 # iconv -f utf-8 -t iso-8859-1//translit does the trick 22.47.31 # aaah i see, thanks, linuxstb_ 22.47.48 # aha, so that's how you do it 22.47.54 # amiconn: gives a ? for me 22.47.56 # Zagor: All internal rockbox strings are utf-8 22.48.13 # it would be preferable if it gave an s :) 22.48.15 # Zagor: Yes, on your console, because your console uses utf-8 22.48.22 # no it doesn't 22.48.25 # Mno 22.48.37 # For some reason it does work here (giving an s) 22.49.13 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@82.193.235.34) 22.49.23 Part sonnybobiche 22.49.24 # i also get a ? 22.49.51 # LANG=en_US.ISO-8859-1, LC_ALL=C here 22.49.51 Quit maretard (Client Quit) 22.50.12 # Zagor: you are aware LC_ALL overrides all other LC_ vars? 22.50.15 # Without the //translit I get an error (same as the manual build) 22.50.32 # Mikachu: yes, all other LC vars are C too anyway 22.50.45 # I'm not a big fan of l10n 22.50.50 # I tested with iconv -f utf-8 -t iso-8859-1 docs/CREDITS 22.51.12 # how about "iconv -f utf-8 -t `locale charmap`//TRANSLIT" ? 22.51.19 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 22.51.21 # Outputs the whole credits to the console, last line reading Jakub Matousek 22.51.45 # Bagder: tex needs iso-8859-1 iiuc 22.51.59 # it needs some singlebyte encoding, preferably the same as the rest of the manual 22.52.02 # :) 22.52.34 # maybe iconv is better in windows 22.52.48 # amiconn: I get "illegal input sequence at position 4324". iconv v2.3.6 22.53.09 # odd 22.53.31 # I tried both cygwin and debian now, works fine on both 22.54.04 Join inversions [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 22.54.06 # debian unstable? 22.54.10 # yep 22.54.14 # iconv 2.3.6 22.54.22 # hehe, the very same 22.54.30 # I'll run dist-upgrade and see if something changes 22.54.41 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484A3F3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.54.41 # cygwin has an older one that doesn't output an own version number 22.54.51 # $ iconv --version 22.54.52 # iconv (GNU libiconv 1.11) 22.54.56 # ^^ cygwin version 22.55.08 # they're two different ones, afaiu 22.55.30 # from libiconv and from glibc 22.55.35 # Hmm, but both do the trick with //translit here 22.56.44 # * amiconn fires up his linux vm to try the 3rd system: debian-testing-x86 22.57.26 # Ubuntu 6.10 works with amiconn command too (iconv 2.4) 22.57.58 # The other debian was debian-unstable-amd64 of course 22.58.04 # i've tried 5 different systems, doesn't work on any :) 22.58.19 # try 'locale -a' and see if you have 8859-2 in the list. 22.58.51 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.58.54 # $ locale -a 22.58.54 # bash: locale: command not found 22.59.02 # cygwin. 22.59.12 # it works with libiconv 23.00.27 # bah, charsets 23.00.36 # everyone should just use utf8 23.00.46 # and then forget about the issue 23.01.08 Nick Everybody|away is now known as Everybody (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 23.01.20 # latex3 should be out any decade now with utf8 support 23.01.34 # //translit works on debian testing as well (iconv 2.3.6) 23.02.13 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 23.02.23 # one of the systems i tried is debian, but it doesn't have any 88592 in locale -a output 23.02.36 Quit wooo (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 23.03.09 Quit _Veseliq_ (Remote closed the connection) 23.03.12 # Actually it failed with illegal input sequence - once I remembered to revert the credits file :$ 23.03.23 # it seems safe to say it doesn't work everywhere 23.03.43 # Zagor: No 8859-x locale on either debian box 23.04.27 # Only C, de_DE@euro, de_DE.iso885915@euro, de_DE.utf8 and POSIX 23.04.29 # this is interesting. it's obviously a config issue. 23.04.59 # One of them doesn't have the de_DE.utf8 23.05.06 # hmm, I wonrder if 885915 affects this 23.05.16 # amiconn: can you upload /usr/lib/gconv/gconv-modules somewhere? 23.05.17 # I doubt it... 23.05.32 # Why would it work on cygwin then? 23.06.19 # wasn't cygwin the libiconv one? that worked here too, it carries around its own conversion tables 23.06.34 # aha 23.06.43 # Yes, cygwin uses the libiconv version 23.07.20 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]") 23.09.29 Quit lex (Nick collision from services.) 23.09.32 Join lex [0] (i=lex@evot.us) 23.09.34 Quit lex (Nick collision from services.) 23.10.20 # After an "apt-get install locales-all", my iconv is now working... 23.10.34 # i wonder which one did the trick 23.10.53 # Mikachu: http://amiconn.dyndns.org/gconv-modules-debian-testing-x86 and http://amiconn.dyndns.org/gconv-modules-debian-unstable-amd64 23.10.55 # tex is ASCII per default, but we use inputenc to be able using latin1 23.11.12 # there is also support for utf8 but that's not part of a standard installation 23.11.38 # but I'd prefer using utf8 for the manual completely instead of iconv'ing the credits file 23.11.58 Part LinusN 23.12.12 Join LithiumTR [0] (n=Lithium@client-82-12-251-54.brnt.adsl.virgin.net) 23.12.14 # hm, the gconv-modules thing is probably not it then 23.12.40 # mine only has more lines 23.13.41 Nick phrozen77_ is now known as phrozen77 (n=phrozen7@pD9EC63A4.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.13.55 # using iconv -c might be an easy fix (but breaks the names of course) 23.13.57 Quit rp- () 23.14.29 # bluebrother: //translit doesn't work for you? 23.14.33 Join lex_ [0] (i=lex@evot.us) 23.14.36 Quit homielowe ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]") 23.15.01 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 23.15.09 # that works but produces a ? for me 23.15.19 # Odd... 23.15.33 # * bluebrother goes reading the iconv man page 23.16.06 # if they're like other man pages from gnu it will be empty and refer to `info iconv` 23.16.13 # Mikachu: latex does have some utf8 support, no? 23.16.21 # i'm almost certain i've used utf8 with it 23.16.37 # last time i checked i couldn't find any at least 23.16.46 # I use utf8 for latex here mostly exclusively 23.17.24 # http://www.unruh.de/DniQ/latex/unicode 23.17.29 # Anyway, replacing that accented s by a plain one would help on target as well (both bitmap targets with the majority of available fonts and the player's charcell display), but perhaps it would in fact be better to make full use of utf-8 instead?? 23.17.41 # amiconn: a present for you: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/listlogs.pl 23.18.55 # * bluebrother sed'ed the dates from the table an hour or so ago 23.19.15 # but it was ugly as hell, I should learn sed a bit more ;-) 23.19.15 # Ooh, nice, thanks! :) :bookmarks: 23.20.16 Join safetydan [0] (i=cbca159f@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 23.25.55 Join mattzz [0] (i=55b1a3cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0ec79e42d8de51dd) 23.26.20 # Zagor: i think perhaps the nick colours need some capping 23.26.28 # Zagor: reading bright yellow on white isn't easy ;) 23.26.48 # heh, yeah 23.27.12 # the colour limits would depend on the background colour, but i expect your script knows what that is 23.27.38 # for some reason green seems to be the worst color to max out 23.29.26 Quit LithiumTR ("Ciao!") 23.29.58 # preglow: I removed background selection to avoid having to recalculate the nick colours 23.31.23 Quit mattzz ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 23.31.49 # for example sonnybiche at 22:39 has a horrible colour, but it's not actually very bright. only #3f5 23.32.08 Part perl|work 23.32.40 Join mattzz [0] (i=55b1a3cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1511087b335b55a9) 23.33.04 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2162 can be closed, it's obsolete ;) 23.33.24 Join bospaadje [0] (n=bospaadj@ip82-139-84-234.lijbrandt.net) 23.33.47 # done 23.34.11 # so the question is what a good cap algorithm would be. we want the f:s, otherwise all the colors gets gray and bland. 23.34.13 # thanks. Another one bites the dust ;) 23.34.29 # hi all, i have installed rockbox on my ipod nano today and i'm having this problem: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5199 23.34.38 # we just don't want many f:s on the same nick, especially green 23.34.46 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B97C11.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.35.10 # can anyone point me to where i can find the source code to apply the patch to, and instructions on how to build (config options)? 23.35.34 # there is probably massive amounts of research on this somewhere :) 23.36.11 # bospaadje: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches 23.36.50 # Zagor: is it possible to detect alternate nicks, i.e. with _ or similar at the end? 23.37.03 # seen that, i don't see where it points me to the source code to apply it to 23.37.04 # Zagor: does your .pl print nick changes now? 23.37.08 # bluebrother: this is perl, everything is possible :) 23.37.10 # i don't remember if i said it to you or the ether 23.37.20 # Mikachu: yes, if you show joins 23.37.27 # though there is a link to 'using svn' - reading that now 23.38.08 # the language that is automatically obfuscating itself? ;-) 23.38.30 # bluebrother: unfortunately there's not really a standard for alt nicks. people use nickwork and nicklaptop and whatnot that is impossible to detect 23.38.36 # Nick Lloreanis now known as Paul_the_Nerd 23.38.38 # bluebrother: yeah, it's write-only :) 23.38.39 # missing a space there 23.39.20 # hmm. But detecting added _ and ^ would be a nice start, wouldn't it? At least quite some use that. 23.39.37 # bluebrother: yup 23.39.41 Quit mattzz ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 23.39.50 # or maybe stripping all characters outside of [a-zA-Z0-9] 23.40.14 # especially since I completely ignore nicks with css-illegal characters. that's why [IDC]Dragon got black, for example. 23.40.20 # freenode has a policy for altnicks but i don't think anyone follows it :) 23.40.30 Join upsioned [0] (n=ju@82.67.68.29) 23.40.38 # some escape tricks would probably be good for those 23.40.44 # hmm, I wasn't even aware of that ;-) 23.43.42 # hmm if i understand this correctly i have to download the source through svn, even if I only want to use it myself to apply a patch and build it, right? 23.43.51 # No. 23.44.07 # http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-source/rockbox-bleeding.tar.bz2 Direct link to source 23.44.55 # is that link on the website somewhere? cause that would mean i've missed it 23.44.55 # you need to use svn if you want some older release than the current bleeding edge 23.45.00 # Mikachu: space added 23.45.15 # It's with all the bleeding edge builds 23.45.16 # bospaadje: look at the current build page 23.45.19 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.45.24 # Named 'Source archive' 23.45.41 # the last "player" 23.46.17 # ah 23.46.36 # and if you are going to be doing builds on a frequent basis, bospaadje, SVN will download just the new stuff, as opposed to downloading the entire thing every time. 23.47.13 # hmm, so how should we address the iconv problem? Adding -c as a first fix? 23.47.16 # yeah, i figured that.. for now i'm just trying this one patch 23.47.31 # bos, may I be nosy and ask which one :P? 23.47.31 # doesn't look like there are too much other options 23.47.39 Quit entheh ("^~") 23.47.44 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp169-116.adsl.forthnet.gr) 23.47.57 # which one what? 23.48.09 # Which patch he is going to apply. 23.48.43 # the one from this bug report: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5199 23.49.27 # Aha okay. Good luck :D. 23.50.23 # thnx 23.50.37 # wait! something other than eyecandy motivating people! what has the world come to?! ;) 23.51.04 # Craziness :o 23.51.23 # it has succumbed to darkness :) 23.51.35 # That was very quick work, lool 23.51.37 # lol* 23.52.00 Join noodroog [0] (n=blah@dyn1240-51.vpn.ic.ac.uk) 23.52.14 # what was? 23.52.44 # Well, are you referring to your ipod? 23.52.53 # hey, im having a problem getting the last.fm logger to work in rockbox for ipod video, when i select 'keep last.fm' log it tells me to reset the ipod, but even when i do that the 'no' option remains selected 23.53.18 # lol, no 23.53.21 # Heh 23.53.28 # my comment was a reaction to Soap 23.53.39 # 'what has the world come to?' 23.53.41 # If you were, that would be the quickest patching/building/updating job I've ever seen 23.53.42 # Heh :p 23.53.52 # are you shuting down your ipod cleanly (long press of play)? Or are you doing the hard-reset (menu+select)? 23.54.04 # noodroog: ^ 23.54.16 # er 23.54.18 # hard-reset 23.54.23 # there you go. 23.54.25 # ;) 23.54.30 # it said to reset it... 23.54.34 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.198.80) 23.54.58 # I /thought/ it said to "restart" it, but if it is saying reset that should be changed. 23.55.07 # well it says reboot 23.55.12 # which i assumed meant reset :o 23.55.19 # trying it now anyway 23.55.35 # aha seems to be working now :) 23.55.36 # thanks 23.56.06 # another problem though, every so often my ipod random defaults to the default rockbox settings when i turn it on (eg wiping out the bass and volume settings i had stored), is there a reason for that? 23.56.11 # *randomly 23.57.25 Quit subson (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.57.46 # damn, that won't work that easy 23.58.15 Join hardeep [0] (n=hardeeps@c-71-202-85-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)