--- Log for 08.02.107 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 6 days and 18 hours ago 00.02.38 # 6630 still needs an update 00.02.58 # there's a glitch with exiting to the root menu after playing music 00.03.38 # * MonkeyTamer wonders if JdGordon fixed that or not 00.03.57 # i'm not sure rockbox is quite right at this moment in time for a general purpose off the shelf player for joe average. then again, considering how shit the average mp3 player is, i might be wrong 00.04.17 Join mofonyx [0] (n=weesim@resnet-167985.resnet.bris.ac.uk) 00.04.22 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 00.04.27 # What makes it 'not right'? 00.04.27 # there's really not an enormous amount of tweaking that'd be needed for a hardware player to carve out a niche though 00.04.28 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 00.04.29 # why does rockbox have problems charging when battery is 0? 00.04.35 # i mean, mine keeps rebooting 00.04.42 # :( 00.04.52 # remember the new mindset: the best mp3 player is the one that sucks the least 00.05.02 # Llorean, things joe average is likely to have and use, like WMA files 00.05.07 # any solutions? 00.05.37 # directhex: That's a vague statement. What other 'things' besides WMA support, which frankly isn't *that* common anyway. 00.06.45 # blasted usb device not recognized message 00.07.31 # bah :s 00.07.42 # doesn't charge? 00.07.54 # not to say it doesn't charge 00.08.04 # when mine is charging from nil battery, it just keeps rebooting itself 00.08.34 # on what dap? 00.08.37 # or when i charge it at all! it keeps rebooting 00.08.41 # iPod 4G Photo. 00.08.50 # I have the same.. 00.08.54 # like right now, it's charging, and it's rebooting itself over and over again 00.08.58 # when have you last updated? 00.08.59 # Llorean, album art support, even better without needing to resize things manually in advance to suit a theme? more obvious visual cues, such as icons for menu entries? the root menu's in progress already thankfully 00.09.25 # im not sure 00.09.27 # lemme check 00.09.28 Join webguest60 [0] (i=cb1a7a0c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4d770d1acbe5067c) 00.09.34 # Llorean, and wma is horrifyingly common - people almost never change defauls from when their computer is shipped, which means the default is windows media player set to use wma for output 00.09.44 # the root menu is fairly intuitive, and may be fixed rather soon 00.10.14 # a picture's worth a thousand words, so the entire menu system could be replaced by a single icon, right? ;) 00.10.17 # according to JdGordan however, he needed to add some code for redrawing, whatever that means ;) 00.10.30 # gotta go 00.10.46 Quit Thundercloud__ (Success) 00.10.52 # MonkeyTamer : rockbox-ipodcolor-20070110 00.11.05 # update that 00.11.15 # can't, it's rebooting itself silly right now :P 00.11.20 # oh 00.11.24 # connect with usb 00.11.33 # i wonder why it does that. hmm 00.11.40 # are you using the dc? 00.11.54 # if i can get it to suddenly fail to load rockbox, then it boots into apple OS and gives me a *charging* screen 00.11.55 # er... wall charger? 00.11.58 # Hi all, does anyone know where I can get a build for a 4G Photo iPod that doesn't freeze during playback? I've read that it should be fixed with a kernel_on_cop 8 patch, but I have no idea where to find the patches or other builds. 00.12.02 # yeah, wall 00.12.08 Quit TrueJournals (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.12.09 # just switch on hold 00.12.45 # oh shit 00.12.46 # webguest60: patches are in the tracer, side the menu item that says patches on the left menu 00.12.49 # is that how you load original firmware? 00.12.50 # it's all on the tracker 00.12.54 # yes 00.13.06 # webguest60: and there's an unsupported build forum 00.13.19 # i'll get it updated 00.13.21 # see what patches they have applied to each build 00.13.23 # or if you're daring, try compiling yourself ;) 00.14.01 # mofonyx: that should help, as of 02/04/07, there had been a commit for improved detection of the charger 00.14.29 # directhex: Firstly, how do icons provide better visual cues than *words* which actually mean something? 00.15.06 # if there a repository for unsupported builds? or does everyone just compile in patches themselves? 00.15.25 # the unsupported build page houses all of said builds 00.15.32 # you can try pijulius 00.15.41 # or, try the wiki to learn to compile 00.15.43 # webguest60: i told you, there's an unsupported builds section in the forum 00.17.01 # directhex: Secondly, I think almost anyone with enough brains to _install_ Rockbox probably is able to change their encoder to do MP3. Remember this isn't something that's getting shipped to people. 00.17.22 # The most common format out there is still MP3, followed by AAC I'd imagine thanks to iTunes and the iPod, and their defaults. 00.17.49 # Thanks.. just going over to take a look. 00.18.21 Join perldiver [0] (n=say@cpe-66-65-88-127.nyc.res.rr.com) 00.18.56 Quit fasmaie () 00.19.06 # Llorean, i'm pretty sure i was hypothesizing over a player which would be shipped to people. at which point the average user IQ drops like a stone 00.20.12 # directhex: You said it wasn't right for a general purpose off the shelf player for joe average. It sounded like the context was more intended as the general-purposesness of it. 00.20.46 # directhex: Anyway, for off the shelf players, they *always* come with a preferred method of transferring your CDs, so saying it lacks WMA support is somewhat silly in that context too. 00.22.00 # You were talking about it 'not being right' for users, I don't see how lacking Album Art and WMA make it not right. 00.22.18 # I thought you meant something about its actual functionality was wrong, rather than 'It doesn't have enough shiny' 00.23.05 Quit webguest60 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 00.23.23 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00.24.32 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-252-133.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 00.24.33 Quit lini (Connection reset by peer) 00.24.38 Join lini [0] (i=pugsley@62.204.144.237) 00.26.36 # Llorean, the functionality's pretty much spot on. but the sad problem is, you can have the most compelling feature set in the world - it won't be able to compete with teh shiny 00.26.53 # just look at the karma 00.27.00 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 00.27.53 # People actually do buy things for functionality occasionally, you know. 00.28.12 # Otherwise there wouldn't be a market for other MP3 players at all. 00.28.34 # * Llorean shrugs 00.28.43 # * dan_a only bought the Sansa because it looks very sexy 00.29.03 # lol 00.29.39 # well, at least you admit it 00.31.27 # I wanted it once we got Rockbox's recording functions working on it. 00.31.33 # Llorean, apple had over 80% of the hard disk player market in 2004. i think by Q3 2005 it was around 75% 00.31.35 # get 00.31.58 # directhex: Because it's fashionable, yes. 00.32.22 # But there's absolutely no sense in trying to do better than Apple at what Apple already does exceedingly well. 00.32.35 # You don't try to compete with someone who has a strong monopoly, you go and find another market. 00.32.40 # they sure know how to market that sucker 00.33.07 # No matter how shiny Rockbox ever became, it wouldn't be able to work with iTunes. Or Rhapsody, or any of the others for that matter. 00.33.12 Quit petur ("reboot") 00.33.22 # The Apple OF is also *very* intuitive 00.33.42 # dan_a: See, I didn't find it so when I first used it. 00.34.20 # I kept trying to use the left and right arrows too much. 00.34.45 # Llorean, never? add in support for external codec blobs, allowing foocompany to include wmadrm.codec with their rockbox-based player. it's not pretty, sure, but it's conceivable. 00.34.50 # Llorean: I could use it out of the box. It took me much longer to start getting to grips with Rockbox 00.35.19 # directhex: It wouldn't be doable with the GPL. 00.35.43 # Llorean, not with static linking, no. 00.35.52 # dan_a: I was used to things that had buttons that actually do what they say. It took me forever (relatively speaking) to learn that Menu was 'back' 00.37.15 # directhex: I don't believe the GPL stipulates that it only applies to statically linked code. 00.37.29 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 00.37.45 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 00.37.50 # Llorean: Now I'm used to Rockbox, I agree with you. However, as the first MP3 player I'd used, I was impressed at how quickly I picked it up. 00.37.51 # hmm. Someone else experiencing settings not getting saved when roloing? 00.37.52 # if they distribute a wmadrm.codec, they might not be allowed to distribute rockbox, or any other gpl product 00.37.58 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 00.38.04 Join Seedy [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 00.38.25 # dan_a: I can see it under a 'first MP3 player' situation, but I'm a bit obsessive compulsive (I'm diagnosed with something that includes it) so I have a hard time with buttons not doing what they seem like they should. 00.40.20 # duh... could it be VirtualBox doesn't run on W2K? 00.40.43 # I find navigation to be more convenient on Rockbox personally 00.41.00 # Mikachu, how about we use the gigabeat as an example? it runs linux, and it's the poster child for wma drm 00.41.01 # it's a lot easier to switch b/t music and other tasks 00.41.03 # hehe ... should I try installing VirtualBox on w2k running inside of a VirtualBox? 00.41.20 # directhex: all i know was in that statement :) 00.41.28 # Mikachu, there are thousands of projects combining gpl and non-gpl codes, as long as it's done within fairly well defined parameters 00.41.50 # I get an error about not finding an entry point in ntdll.dll :( 00.41.55 # i know of some, but the binaries are illegal to distribute 00.42.16 Quit kubiix ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 00.43.28 # Mikachu, which binaries? is it illegal to run closed source apps on a linux kernel? 00.44.00 # no, of course not 00.44.00 # I think it could be argued that wmadrm.codec would not be derived from Rockbox. wmadrm.codec would be a file, so distributing a Rockbox binary and that together would be "mere aggregation" 00.44.29 Join webguest60 [0] (i=cb1a7a0c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1eebdc04f639becd) 00.44.37 # if all they do is port something existing to the rockbox api, it wouldn't be derived 00.45.01 # Well, not right now, because right now it'd be statically linked. 00.45.27 # The way things stand, it would have to be derivative of Rockbox, right? 00.45.28 Part mofonyx 00.45.35 # Llorean, at this moment in time? yes 00.45.36 # it's hardly hard to write a codec that doesn't use any rockbox lib functions, only plugin api 00.45.40 # i mean codec api 00.45.57 # But that also requires a change in the desires of the Rockbox project. 00.45.59 # static linking means you take gpl'd object code and put in your binary 00.46.08 # er, you know what i mean 00.46.26 --> "register covert mrmatt1" received from covert (n=chatzill@71.61.15.192) 00.46.30 Quit bluebrother ("leaving for today") 00.46.38 # You'd have to make significant changes just to be *able* to jump through the hoops 00.48.21 Join dewdude [0] (i=dewdude@pool-71-120-0-23.washdc.east.verizon.net) 00.50.20 Join Soul-Slayer [0] (i=540d08c1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1198b435eea6d03b) 00.50.57 # barrywardell: Has the recent SVN changed fixed your RockBoy trouble? 00.52.40 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 00.52.50 Quit petur ("reboot reboot reboot") 00.53.22 # * amiconn thinks that rockbox shouldn't even try to support drm 00.53.47 # * Mikachu agrees 00.53.52 # * Llorean thirds the matter. 00.54.00 Quit webguest60 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 00.54.23 # * markun doesn't want to go there either 00.54.55 # Soul-Slayer: the most recent patch on the tracker did. I haven't tested SVN but I think it was more or less the same 00.55.01 # so probably 00.56.57 Join webguest60 [0] (i=cb1a7a0c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e480003fc21f4a3f) 00.57.01 # Supporting non-drm wma is different, imho. I think we should try to add that, for several reasons 00.57.27 Quit webguest60 (Client Quit) 00.57.55 Join iPod4G_noob [0] (i=cb1a7a0c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6dbc3bbdb6332151) 00.58.05 # (1) it would complete support for all of-supported formats on the irivers 00.58.35 # I agree as well with that. 00.58.41 # (2) wma on ipod sounds like something apple *never* intended to happen 00.59.14 # i don't think the rockbox project should try to support drm. but if hypothetically $foocompany were building a hardware player based on rockbox, it would be a desirable feature for their firmware 00.59.19 Quit Criamos ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 00.59.31 # amiconn, is (2) a long version of 'screw apple'? 00.59.33 Quit BHSPitLappy (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.59.35 # directhex: Even Apple is saying that DRM may not be in our future any more. 00.59.42 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 01.00.50 # Llorean, that's posturing for their current legal issues in scandinavia. the big labels will never give up on drm 01.00.51 # directhex: Yes, but if they want drm, they shouldn't be allowed to use rockbox, never 01.01.00 # see them dropping drm and the prices going up, $30/CD and $3/mp3 01.01.04 # directhex: No, (2) is just an idea of fun 01.01.46 # (3) wma specs aren't open, but I guess there are quite some wma files out there - and it's at least a more efficient format than mp3 (considering quality vs. compression) 01.01.53 Join noob4g [0] (i=cb1a7a0c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3e0eca5a8105d2b1) 01.01.56 # perldiver: why would CD prices go up? 01.02.29 # directhex: Yeah, but that's the labels, not Apple. 01.02.39 # RIAA just told today (after Steve's spech btw) that the CD prices are low 01.02.46 # speech* 01.02.55 Quit iPod4G_noob ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 01.02.55 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01.02.58 # Yeah, RIAA said CDs should've been $33 in 1998. 01.03.01 # perldiver, they've been complaining for years that cd prices are too low 01.03.06 # they say lots of fun things 01.03.18 # drm dropping is a good reason to finally up them 01.03.19 # The problem with drm is that it only annoys customers, while it doesn't have the desired effect 01.03.20 # dont you think 01.03.22 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B94D75.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.03.36 # amiconn, that's not true. drm saves me money! 01.03.41 # ??? 01.03.54 # amiconn, i don't buy drm'd discs or drm'd files! 01.03.56 # jhMikeS: thanks for fixing my errors last night.. I was too tired to remember to check the table :p 01.04.04 # amiconn, it's slashed the money i spend on music 01.04.11 # directhex: Ahaha, looking at it this way... 01.04.41 # I dont know why but my h300 would still start with the recording statusbar... but maybe its a flushing problem and not rockbox.. because even with that it still shows it 01.05.05 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 01.05.10 # directhex: But Apple still has stated openly now that if the 4 major companies allow them to sell music DRM free, they will. I'm pretty sure that's an honest statement since they'd receive hell if they were ever forced to stand up for it, and backed down. 01.05.16 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 01.05.40 # Llorean yes why not, for $3 per 128kbps file 01.05.46 # JdGordon: np. I think something's going on that should be looked into then. It should really only be set by recording_screen imo. 01.06.05 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@c-24-19-236-139.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 01.06.09 # perldiver: I don't think Apple would raise the prices. But the RIAA labels might try to demand higher prices. 01.06.20 # exactly 01.06.56 # Llorean, the big labels have a far weaker grip in .uk than in .us, yet acts which sell drm-free elsewhere have apple drm applied automatically on itms. so i'm not convinced at their sincerity 01.07.10 Quit noob4g ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 01.07.30 # Why would dropping drm cause the prices to rise? 01.07.30 # JdGordon: I'm not really sure how the H300 should behave differenly than my H120 in that regard either. hmmm... 01.07.31 # jhMikeS: shouldnt that and the radio screen version of that be in thier respective files and not in global_status? 01.08.01 # Are cd prices lower now than they were before "copy protected" CDs were introduced? surely they weren't 01.08.03 # jhMikeS: it shouldnt.. i think my computer may have been playing up and not actually transferring the whole file... 01.08.08 # directhex: Everything on iTMS has DRM on it, though, if it's purchased content. They probably didn't even bother with an infrastructure for DRM-free purchases. 01.08.15 Join devilsadvocate [0] (i=dee416b7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9929883004655aaa) 01.08.16 # JdGordon: I'm thinking it's really part of a global state that should be readilty available 01.08.34 # the real reason why jobs wants to remove drm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6338603.stm 01.09.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.09.52 # lol 01.09.54 # there is always a caych, nothings for free, except rockbox :-) 01.10.11 Part devilsadvocate 01.10.33 # Was it really worth the theatrics of going through the web client. Is someone in here afraid to simply speak with their own voice? 01.11.13 # Anyway, considering how often DRM gets cracked, I think they will eventually realize it's a losing game. I don't expect it to happen for another decade or so though. 01.11.13 # i have no objections to people thinking i'm an arrogant opinionated arse 01.11.33 # I also want to kill function calls as much as possible to check these basic global states and save some code and cycles. Also it exposes it all in a well defined manner. We could make all settings global variables not contained in a structure too. :) 01.11.39 # Llorean: maybe it's someone just reading the logs 01.11.58 # someone in apartment d183 01.12.00 # Mikachu: With that name, it feels unlikely. 01.12.08 # i think i've seen it before 01.12.15 # it's bill gates, trying to poison us against iSteve! 01.12.23 Quit muesli__ ("ich will Kühe!!!") 01.12.27 # but i haven't 01.12.30 # * Mikachu grepped 01.13.13 Quit midkay (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01.14.03 Join fasmaie [0] (n=yohann@cpe-65-24-165-152.columbus.res.rr.com) 01.15.41 # i wonder what rockbox could do with the wifi in the zune 01.16.04 # probably nothing... 01.16.11 # or multiplayer doom!!! 01.16.12 # Show up as a networked mass storage device for easy wireless file transfers? 01.16.23 # It really doesn't matter until a device with WiFi has a port. 01.17.20 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01.17.29 # JdGordon, genius! 01.17.37 # of course... 01.17.40 # or multiplayer bubbles 01.17.47 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B97E34.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.17.55 # or multiplayer 01.18.22 # And I'm thinking I'd like something accessible to firmware level too. Perhaps a global_state for these things is better for things that aren't persisted but are needed throughout. Maybe I'm on another nutty obsessive trip? :) 01.18.25 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 01.19.04 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 01.19.07 Quit mattzz ("Leaving") 01.20.06 Quit wooo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.20.36 Quit Soul-Slayer ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.22.03 Part barrywardell 01.22.50 # jhMikeS: you want something in firmeware/ apps can see like global_status? or in apps that firmware can see? 01.24.14 Quit funky ("leaving") 01.25.03 Part Llorean 01.28.05 Quit ender1 (" I just found out what Alt+F4 does.") 01.28.38 Quit [toffe] ("MegaIRC v3.27 http://ironfist.at.tut.by") 01.31.29 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 01.31.34 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 01.32.28 # JdGordon: Well something that can be seen throughout and apps see firmware. Would cleanup handle_audio_poweroff and such too. If I can't sell it and everyone wants it a certain way I'll just go with that. 01.33.27 Quit directhex ("Leaving") 01.33.33 # oops, handle_auto_poweroff that is 01.34.42 # jhMikeS: "be seen throughout and apps see firmware." <- ? 01.35.35 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 01.35.44 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 01.37.55 Quit petur ("sssssssssss---------PLOP!") 01.38.03 Quit Wiwie ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 01.39.28 # JdGordon: apps can include firmware/export headers but firmware isn't supposed to include headers in apps/. 01.39.54 # oh... ok.. now i get you :p 01.40.02 # im still half alseep 01.41.36 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=TrueJour@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 01.43.51 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01.44.14 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B97D8A.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.45.24 Join perl|perl [0] (n=say@cpe-66-65-88-127.nyc.res.rr.com) 01.45.41 Quit perldiver (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.46.43 # Hmph. I've tested bootloaders on my 4g greyscale going back to r11565, and none has worked. That probably means that I'm doing something wrong and have just wasted a shedload of time. 01.49.56 # Or maybe I haven't... my downloaded bootloader-4g.bin can still dual boot. 01.54.17 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01.54.27 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B97C50.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.54.37 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 01.54.46 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 01.57.39 # Is there a way (in the code) to exclude .nsf files from the database? 01.58.25 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=steve-o@67.64.148.218) 02.01.03 # whoo! done with masteringphysics! 02.01.46 # OK... how about this... does anyone know where the database code is held? 02.01.52 Join perldiver [0] (n=say@cpe-66-65-88-127.nyc.res.rr.com) 02.03.56 Join webguest24 [0] (i=dee416b7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9a932c1b2aa0ddbd) 02.03.59 Quit entheh ("^~") 02.05.31 # in many places... 02.05.35 # JdGordon: a video of the Trekstor Vibez menu sys in action, seeing as its based on the karmas OS. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1330791372072230176&q=trekstor+vibez 02.06.08 # scorche: do you know where it specifies what files it wants to search for? Or does it just search for any file type rockbox can play? 02.06.21 # not sure 02.07.19 # just search for #ifdef #HAVE_TAGCACHE and it will point you at every piece of code 02.07.36 # goody :-p 02.08.26 Part webguest24 02.09.27 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 02.09.36 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 02.13.14 Join [toffe] [0] (n=[toffe]@adsl-70-137-196-216.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) 02.14.08 Quit perl|perl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.16.20 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.193.23) 02.18.43 Join Big_Mac [0] (n=moyers_m@c-71-234-95-131.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) 02.19.56 Join Soul-Slayer [0] (i=540d08c1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a52df271292f0993) 02.20.06 # directhex|work: You here? 02.20.45 Quit BHSPitLappy ("Leaving") 02.21.17 # or anyone who uses dvmware workstation for compiling because I just found out that the local computer shop had a copy of it that they were selling 02.21.42 # so I bought it 02.22.02 # vmware is kinda free now... you can make and run virtual machines for free... 02.22.20 # or is dvmware something different (I took that as a typo) 02.23.02 # heck, vmware server is even free now :) 02.23.04 # yeah 02.23.35 # i never understood the real difference between server and workstation platforms of VMware 02.23.53 # I'm trying to figure that out now... and I don't see any difference... 02.23.59 # i've used both. 02.24.06 # you cant make new ones in workstation isnt it? 02.24.16 # server seemed geared more toward server virturalization and not desktop 02.24.20 # no 02.24.20 # workstation can create vmware images I believe... 02.24.27 # workstation can 02.24.28 # workstation = create, modify, run... 02.24.36 # *server can 02.24.40 # vmware player and server are free 02.24.48 # workstation does everything server does, and theoritcally, you could run a server in workstation 02.24.55 # workstation was supposedly one up 02.25.00 # but server is optimized more toward server enviroments 02.25.16 # there's hardware it might not emulate hardware layers for properly 02.25.39 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@rockbox/administrator/Llorean) 02.25.42 # whatever... I've switched to using InnoTek VirtualBox for development 02.26.11 # Is there a guide on that, and why would you want that over vmware player 02.26.33 # Big_Mac, i've used workstation to compile and patch with 02.26.38 # i can try player 02.26.56 # Ok well will you be on for an hour or so more? 02.27.07 # because I anticipate me needing help 02.27.19 # I don't think there's really a guide for VirtualBox, but it's very self explanitory... I'm using that because It seems less bloated... Vmware is constantly running background processes.. VirtualBox only runs when it's being used 02.27.41 # Big_Mac, i'll be on for at least the next 4 hours 02.27.42 # if not 5. 02.28.07 # ah cool and you know workstation pretty well 02.28.15 # yeah, i got player running 02.28.24 # thus far, it seems to be the same 02.28.55 # ok well I used player before and the problem was I could not access \\debian\user 02.28.58 Part pixelma 02.29.19 # ...hrmm 02.29.23 Join himitsu_ [0] (n=himitsu@203.205.119.181) 02.29.35 # i'm in my user directory 02.29.40 # but I was told that in workstation I could have it build to a different location 02.29.47 # Big_Mac: I've experienced that too... it seems that every now and then SAMBA will just crash... 02.29.56 Part Llorean 02.29.58 # ohhh 02.30.04 # samba... 02.30.06 # i don't use that 02.30.08 # I have never been able to access it on this coputer 02.30.13 # computer 02.30.17 # too much of a pain...i just ftp between 02.30.20 # much easier. 02.30.34 # between the workstation and your hardrive? 02.30.39 # yeah. 02.30.50 # how did you do that? is that in a guide or could you explain it 02.30.56 # heh. 02.30.58 # like how to ftp the zip 02.31.25 # i could tell you. 02.32.28 Join Plouj [0] (n=Plouj@207.112.104.117) 02.32.29 # hi 02.32.54 # Hey 02.33.22 # where can I get specs on what kind of battery my iRiver h320 supports? 02.33.23 # Does anyone know how I get my path to stick so that I don't have to add /usr/local/arm-elf/bin to my path every time I want to compile? 02.33.42 # Plouj: I would check the wiki for hardware info on the H320 02.35.16 Join adamti91 [0] (i=45567585@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ec079822afe03d86) 02.36.30 # hey.. 02.36.43 # humm 02.36.56 # this shows http://www.dukebox.com/specifications/iriver-h320 that the battery is 1300mAh 02.37.15 # a person who sold me his iRiver said that I should buy an ipod 2200mAh battery if I want to a replacement 02.37.39 # won't that iPod battery be incompatible with the iRiver? 02.37.58 Quit fasmaie (Remote closed the connection) 02.38.09 # Plouj: I would say so... hold on a second 02.38.46 # can somebody here delete my wiki account please? 02.40.46 # "AdamTirella" 02.40.48 # thanks! 02.40.52 Quit adamti91 ("CGI:IRC") 02.41.16 # Plouj: hmm... I'm reading that you're supposed to use a 2200mAh batter also... the one reccomended is "Newertech ipod 1st/2nd gen replacement battery" 02.41.25 # So, I guess go for the 2200mAh 02.42.31 # k 02.44.05 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 02.46.00 Quit himitsu (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.47.11 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 02.48.01 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 02.48.14 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B977E4.dip.t-dialin.net) 02.49.38 Quit MonkeyTamer ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]") 02.54.04 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.212.227) 02.56.02 Join MonkeyTamer [0] (n=chatzill@207.62.156.85) 02.59.33 Join ApoXX [0] (n=0x1A4@encyphered.com) 03.01.38 Quit TrueJournals ("Leaving") 03.04.49 # moo. 03.08.07 Quit Soul-Slayer ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 03.09.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.15.17 # has anyone figured out why the battery drains when you shut the x5 down? 03.15.28 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03.15.53 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B977E4.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.16.28 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.18.52 Quit dan_a (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.20.52 # humm 03.21.19 # for some reason, after plugging in a new battery into my iRiver it doesn't want to work without the AC cord plugged in 03.21.43 Quit MonkeyTamer ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]") 03.21.45 # can someone help me here or should I go elsewhere? 03.23.15 # You haven't even waited 1 minute man 03.23.27 # I waited like 10 minutes 03.23.39 # wait a while, this isn't the instant gratification channel 03.23.51 # oh, what are you referring to? 03.23.57 # from humm to can someone help me 03.23.57 # waiting for the battery to charge or what? 03.24.07 # that is 2 minutes 03.24.12 # 1 03.24.31 # why do I have to wait after saying humm? 03.25.05 # you don't but don't say no one is helping you after waiting 2 minutes 03.25.10 # wait maybe an hour 03.25.19 # someone will help you when they can 03.25.19 # I didn't 03.26.01 # you must have mis-understood this: "Plouj> can someone help me here or should I go elsewhere?" 03.26.31 # I am just telling you someone will help you here 03.26.39 # just wait more then 2 minutes 03.26.39 # alright 03.26.49 # * Plouj starts the stop-watch 03.27.25 # I'm sure after so much useless text, no one will help 03.28.46 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 03.29.12 # Plouj: Generally speaking, you have to ask an actual question, not just "Can anyone help me" because we have no way of predicting whether we can answer the question until you've actually asked it. 03.29.25 # alright 03.29.39 # well 03.30.59 # Given personal experience I described can someone explain to me whether the battery should work right away assuming that it's charged? Should it work after 10 minutes of being charged even if it wasn't charged when I bought it? 03.31.47 # If it was empty when you bought it, and then charged it for only 10 minutes, it may not work. 03.32.14 # You should generally wait until you know it's fully charged the first time you charge something. 03.32.27 # oh, alright 03.32.38 # then I'll assume it's not charged, and wait 03.33.45 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=TrueJour@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 03.35.41 Quit TrueJournals (Client Quit) 03.36.43 # It's entirely possible that it was "Too low to boot" and after 10 minutes of charging, it was "Not as low, but still too low to boot" :) 03.36.47 # Or it's possible that it's bad. 03.37.04 # so, all I can do is wait 03.37.29 # Yeah, charge it overnight, and then see. 03.43.31 Part Llorean 03.43.35 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.193.35) 03.48.10 Quit Brunellus (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03.48.56 Join Brunellus [0] (n=luigi@unaffiliated/brunellus) 03.50.58 Join Thundercloud__ [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.194.229) 03.51.32 Quit Thundercloud_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03.53.59 Join malsyned [0] (n=malsyned@24-151-61-217.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com) 03.55.15 Part hcs 03.58.42 Join ppeom [0] (i=oppa123@222.101.44.68) 03.58.48 # hi all 03.59.05 # hello ppeom 03.59.27 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03.59.43 Quit Brunellus (Nick collision from services.) 04.00.05 Join Brunellus_ [0] (n=luigi@ip70-187-221-179.dc.dc.cox.net) 04.00.40 Quit secleinteer (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.01.16 # hi 04.01.34 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.197.31) 04.03.56 Join secleinteer [0] (n=scl@adsl-70-237-201-186.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) 04.11.52 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.12.12 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B977E4.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.17.36 Quit Thundercloud__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.34.34 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 04.39.25 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.39.36 Quit ppeom () 04.39.45 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B977E4.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.39.45 Quit the_mik3r () 04.40.21 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 04.40.23 Join Nation-Of-Baby-G [0] (n=ottoyama@ool-44c674fe.dyn.optonline.net) 04.41.40 Nick Nation-Of-Baby-G is now known as Yamamoto (n=ottoyama@ool-44c674fe.dyn.optonline.net) 04.47.38 Quit shnee_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.49.18 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 04.49.26 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 04.49.59 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.50.19 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B977E4.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.54.01 Quit malsyned ("Leaving") 05.01.04 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 05.04.10 Join hcs [0] (n=hcs@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 05.05.56 Join jborn_ [0] (n=jborn@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 05.07.52 Quit hcs (Client Quit) 05.09.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.12.22 Join MonkeyTamer [0] (n=chatzill@207.62.156.85) 05.13.35 Quit JoeBorn (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 05.19.25 Quit Yamamoto (Remote closed the connection) 05.21.42 Join combrains [0] (n=combrain@125-237-207-60.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) 05.29.12 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 05.31.03 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.31.23 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B977E4.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.32.43 Quit Aaron () 05.33.45 # here we go!!!! 05.34.17 # ? 05.35.20 # big patch just commited 05.35.33 # I get to break lots of code in the next while :D 05.37.32 Quit thegeek (Remote closed the connection) 05.49.28 # has anything been changed since the latest revision of the patch? 05.53.28 # JdGordon: it appears you did break something 05.53.42 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@adsl-67-64-148-218.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 05.54.19 # midgey: i have no idea what those errors are tho.... nano builds fine here 05.54.33 # Im hoping it was some random fluke? 05.54.53 # MonkeyTamer: this isnt the root menu p[atch... 05.55.02 # hmm, two different servers threw errors 05.55.03 # oh ok 05.55.11 # I got a bit mixed up there 05.56.09 # midgey: yeah, i dunno :p 05.57.25 Join shnee [0] (n=CurtyD13@cblmdm72-241-107-50.buckeyecom.net) 05.58.16 # nano builds fine here 05.58.56 # gcc 4.0.1 06.00.13 # 4.0.3 here 06.00.29 # i tihnk all the build servers have the correct version 06.01.01 # except that one with a bad snapshot of 4.1.1 correct (throws warnings for valid code) 06.01.13 # lostlogic's i believe 06.03.47 Join hcs [0] (n=hcs@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 06.05.14 # anyone know what unit the loudness variable is supposed to have? 06.05.36 # scorche: ^ i think that var is on the recorder 06.07.06 # dw.... loudness is a sound setting... not a regular int :) 06.07.11 # makes things a bit easier 06.11.12 # midgey: gcc 4.1.1 builds rockbox? 06.12.49 # from what i've heard some people build for arm and sh targets using 4.1.1 06.14.01 # hmmm 06.14.08 # i may have to try that out 06.14.19 # have they reported any benefits? 06.14.52 Join Xerion [0] (i=xerion@zarathul.student.utwente.nl) 06.14.52 # i dont believe any comparisons have been done 06.17.05 # JdGordon: it is 06.30.11 # well 06.30.27 # i was just trying to compile with the latest svn updates 06.30.36 # got an error (gigabeat target) 06.33.27 # CC target/arm/gigabeat/meg-fx/i2c-meg-fx.c 06.33.27 # target/arm/gigabeat/meg-fx/i2c-meg-fx.c: In function 'i2c_delay': 06.33.27 # target/arm/gigabeat/meg-fx/i2c-meg-fx.c:93: error: syntax error before '?' token 06.33.27 DBUG Enqueued KICK perldiver 06.33.27 # target/arm/gigabeat/meg-fx/i2c-meg-fx.c:93: warning: statement with no effect 06.33.27 # target/arm/gigabeat/meg-fx/i2c-meg-fx.c:93: error: syntax error before ')' token 06.33.28 *** Alert Mode level 1 06.33.28 # make[1]: *** [/home/Denis/rockbox/build_0208/firmware/target/arm/gigabeat/meg-fx 06.33.30 # make: *** [all] Error 2 06.37.23 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=steve-o@adsl-67-64-148-218.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 06.40.08 Join hc1 [0] (n=hcs@nat01-silvers-ext.Rutgers.EDU) 06.40.29 Part hc1 06.41.22 Join decayedcell [0] (i=3ba7b987@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a2ad3af99a678f8d) 06.42.12 Quit combrains (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.43.29 *** Alert Mode OFF 06.43.32 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 06.43.35 Part Llorean 06.46.50 Quit decayedcell ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 06.48.14 Join decayedcell [0] (i=3ba7b987@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2db80d474ec37ffa) 06.50.46 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 06.51.29 Quit rotator ("zzzzzzzzzzz") 06.55.17 Quit midgey () 06.58.08 Quit hcs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.02.07 Quit Pajama-B () 07.04.19 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 07.09.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.10.15 Quit BHSPitLappy (Remote closed the connection) 07.17.27 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 07.17.36 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 07.22.01 Join hcs [0] (n=hcs@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 07.22.31 Nick midkay_ is now known as midkay (n=midkay@c-24-19-236-139.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 07.36.16 # static variables are not put on the stack are they? 07.37.47 # JdGordon: Red builds.... 07.38.03 # ok that was the wrong line i commented out 07.38.04 # but 07.38.10 # i got another error 07.38.19 # [01:07] CC keymaps/keymap-gigabeat.c 07.38.20 # [01:07] Build linkage.lds 07.38.20 # [01:07] LD rockbox.elf 07.38.20 # [01:07] /home/Denis/rockbox/build_0208/apps/settings_list.o:(.data+0x14): undefined refe 07.38.20 # [01:07] rence to `__compound_literal.4' 07.38.20 *** Alert Mode level 1 07.38.20 # [01:07] collect2: ld returned 1 exit status 07.38.22 # [01:07] make[1]: *** [/home/Denis/rockbox/build_0208/apps/rockbox.elf] Error 1 07.38.22 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 07.38.24 # [01:07] make: *** [all] Error 2 07.38.29 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B977E4.dip.t-dialin.net) 07.43.55 Join Abcminiuser [0] (n=DPC@ppp36FB.dsl.pacific.net.au) 07.45.16 # amiconn: yeah, i saw them... but I dont know what they are... nano builds fine here 07.45.22 Quit dewdude ("Leaving") 07.45.36 # seems perldiver s having the same problem 07.45.38 # linuxstb didn't get time to get that partition dump >< tomorrow lol... 07.46.14 Join dewdude [0] (i=dewdude@pool-71-120-0-23.washdc.east.verizon.net) 07.48.21 *** Alert Mode OFF 07.50.09 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 07.50.14 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 07.50.41 # perldiver: What gcc version do you use (for the target which throws this error? 07.54.50 Part ApoXX 07.55.43 Quit midgey () 07.56.27 # <[toffe]> how do you delete an attachement on the wiki, I made a mistake and want to delete it, for now I just hide it ? 07.57.24 # click the manage attachment link i tinhk its in there 07.57.34 Quit scorche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.58.34 # <[toffe]> JdGordon : I try and it says that I don't have the right 07.59.37 # <[toffe]> Access check on Main.GigabeatInfo failed. Action "rename": access not allowed on web. 07.59.49 # amiconn 3.4.4 08.00.01 Quit Abcminiuser ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 08.00.17 # perldiver: Oh? What target is that? 08.00.23 # gigabeat 08.00.44 # Hmm, for arm we recommend arm-elf-gcc 4.0.3 08.01.07 # [toffe]: guess youll just have to hide it then... 08.01.18 # <[toffe]> :) 08.01.41 # amiconn: so that means the builds arnt broken? just those servers are using the wrong gcc version? 08.01.44 # If your arm-elf-gcc is really 3.4.4 it might be a gcc problem (not the first one we see). The build servers with the same problem all use 4.0.2 08.01.58 # :( damn 08.02.02 # i just double checked 08.02.04 # <[toffe]> ok I go to bed, perhaps somebody will havve an answer tomorrow 08.02.17 # 4.0.2 08.02.20 Part [toffe] 08.02.25 # We recommend 4.0.3 which doesn't seem to have that problem, but 4.0.2 is very close... 08.02.35 # anyone here with a hwcodec target wanna play guinea pig? 08.02.50 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 08.02.54 # JdGordon: This is a really strange error, btw. 08.03.04 # do you know what it means? 08.03.14 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 08.03.14 # * amiconn is tempted to build arm-elf-gcc just for reproducing the problem 08.03.48 # fortunatly, there was only 3 changes to settings_list.c so we can track it down if we need to 08.04.32 # It just means the linker was unable to resolve a symbol reference 08.04.48 # But this is an auto-generated symbol 08.05.57 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 08.06.56 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 08.20.03 Quit Mouser_X3 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.23.36 Join webguest58 [0] (i=442049f6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e6fea330461b4eab) 08.28.31 # why must I always fight with windows about the \\debian folder? 08.28.44 # your just lucky? 08.28.51 # I guess so... 08.29.52 # Just when I feel like taking a nice break after finishing physics too 08.33.52 # now time to see what jdgordon whipped up this time... 08.35.27 Join bluebrother [0] (i=dp9JU1Kc@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 08.38.10 # JdGordon: IMO that menu should be root that is selected as startup screen and toggle the "root" menu like the main menu before. 08.38.21 # because it is in fact a new main menu 08.39.18 # or, the other way round: the user should select the menu that's the topmost level, so when choosing the file browser it should behave exactly as it did before 08.40.31 # currently it behaves as left-to-menu (which I really dislike because I seldomly need that menu) 08.42.17 # hmm... that does make sense... 08.42.52 # your current patch also makes it harder for the blind. If they are used to hold left to go to the file browser root they now end up somewhere else 08.43.47 # dinner.... bbiab 08.44.43 # * bluebrother is out for a while too 08.46.49 Join scorche [0] (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 08.47.20 Join warewolf [0] (i=warewolf@warewolf.org) 08.47.44 # anyone know if it is possible to get rockbox to _charge_ an h300 via usb w/o switching into USB disk mode? 08.48.05 Quit Paprica (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.48.06 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.48.12 # my h300's battery is so low, I can't change the charging options in the original firmware, and rockbox doesn't seem to want to charge the unit :/ 08.48.28 # on ipods you need to hold a button to prevent disk mode. Maybe the h300 has such a button too 08.48.48 # disk mode in the boot loader or in rockbox itself? 08.48.50 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B167FD.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.49.23 # * warewolf checks manual 08.50.49 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 08.58.00 Join einhirn [0] (i=Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 08.58.05 # warewolf: hold rec while pluggging in shold do it iirc 08.58.44 # tried that. that boots the factory firmware. 08.59.06 # aha, got it 08.59.14 # I had to change a factory firmare option 08.59.37 # thankfully the factory firmware was fooled into thinking the battery had a higher charge, since I left it to sit for an hour or two. 08.59.41 # and now it's charging. 09.01.26 # alright, time for me to go to bed. 09.01.27 Part warewolf 09.01.31 Join BHSPitMonkey_ [0] (n=stephen@adsl-66-139-218-40.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 09.02.43 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.03.46 Join GodEater_ [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-3ac75d25925d7958) 09.05.22 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p5496774F.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.09.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.10.34 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-85db337fe51d4289) 09.10.52 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 09.11.23 # * petur sees several cm of snow outside and cheers \o/ 09.17.52 # hm... 2 errors while compiling 09.19.41 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 09.19.50 Join webguest20 [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d267da7a02251499) 09.20.15 # that's no good 09.20.44 Quit webguest58 ("CGI:IRC") 09.21.56 # I suppose that's what everyone was talking about earlier 09.21.58 # A question for all who know. If e.g. the radio screen is active, that means that we're inside the radio_screen function. If USB is activated, the DAP enters the USB mode. How is it supposed to to after USB is pulled out? To start again in the radio screen or in the file browser as if the DAP was just switched on? 09.27.29 Quit MonkeyTamer ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]") 09.28.45 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 09.28.48 # anyone any good at drawing icons? 09.29.04 # rockbox icons I mean 09.29.11 # * LinusN looks away 09.30.21 # morning 09.30.25 Nick w1ll14m_ is now known as w1ll14m (n=w1ll14m@84-104-81-208.cable.quicknet.nl) 09.30.51 # now in London. Well I never. 09.30.54 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=steve-o@adsl-66-139-218-40.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 09.30.55 # *snow 09.31.09 # yeah we are planned for the afternoon ;) 09.31.15 # the snow 09.31.53 # the knmi gave us a weather alarm... 09.32.02 # lol 09.32.06 # * petur drove his bike through it and liked it :) looking at cars in chaos :) 09.32.15 # lol 09.32.26 # * LinusN loves snow 09.32.40 # * w1ll14m loves snow too :) 09.32.46 # * JdGordon too 09.32.48 Nick Everybody|away is now known as Everybody (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 09.32.49 # hehe 09.32.51 # LinusN: hi Linus. Could you answer the question from 09.21.58? 09.32.53 # * JdGordon hates the cold that comes it it tho :p 09.33.14 # * preglow does not like riding bikes in snow 09.33.27 # doesn't sit too well with my tendency for breakneck speeds 09.33.27 # * decayedcell doesn't get snow :( 09.33.53 # neither :p I have to drive 90min almost for snow during the hieght of winter 09.33.54 # preglow: I made an acceptable 20km/h :p 09.33.57 # * w1ll14m sympathizes with decayedcell 09.34.13 # plenty of snow even here now 09.34.19 # and this winter has sucked quite thorougly 09.34.28 # * JdGordon also has to drive 90min for the closest surf beach in summer :'( 09.34.42 # it seems to me that Rockbox can't detect the new USB iPod Chargers 09.34.43 # who decided to found Melbounre here? :p 09.34.53 # danm the snow will be just for 1 or 2 days because it isn't cold enough here 09.35.23 # decayedcell: but it charges :) 09.35.36 # w1ll14m nope it doesn't... 09.35.46 # w1ll14m or does it? Theres no icon or anything 09.36.14 # decayedcell: well i have a usb charger, it seems to charge even if it doesn't seems that way 09.36.19 Nick BHSPitMonkey_ is now known as BHSPitMonkey (n=stephen@adsl-66-139-218-40.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 09.36.55 # It used to charge when I pressed Menu and plugged in the charger (there was a charger icon in the status bar), but after the new detection routines it doesn't appear to 09.36.57 # the lack of icon doesn't mean it's not charginng 09.37.18 # it just means the new code which stops the iPod rebooting doesn't yet include anything to change the icons displayed 09.37.28 # webguest20: i believe we usually return to the menu (or the browser) for practical reasons, because the disk contents may have changed, but we could very well stay where we are, but that requires extra care 09.37.34 # GodEater_ ah okay then 09.37.41 # * decayedcell is reassured 09.37.46 # decayedcell: the patch was made by linuxstb and we tested it so rockbox wouldn't see the charging but hardware still charges 09.38.01 # as far as we know 09.38.14 # I dare say at some point linuxstb will be kind enough to do the icon changes too 09.38.20 # set your battery to numeric 09.38.29 Quit hcs (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.38.33 # LinusN: there is no reason why we couldnt return the the fm screen tho.. its not like that would care if the disk changes 09.39.03 # well, it would have to reload the fm settings, i suppose 09.39.10 # the presets 09.40.18 Quit atsea-196 (Remote closed the connection) 09.42.17 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 09.42.19 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc3-rdng11-0-0-cust229.winn.cable.ntl.com) 09.43.37 # LinusN: I ask because of the SVN comment from 7 Feb 17:03. The radio_screen function can be left also because USB was activated. It's like a back door, an abnormal return. Should all the status vars be still consistent then? 09.43.55 Quit perldiver (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 09.44.40 # If USB is activated, the radio_screen func is not left from the 'normal RB execution' perspective. 09.44.54 # then there is a bug somewhere 09.45.08 # But still we're not inside that function anymore. 09.45.13 # either we leave the screen properly, or stay there 09.45.37 # USB activation is like a jump into another dimension 09.46.17 # That's the question: should USB activation be considered as leaving the radio screen? 09.46.38 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) 09.47.02 # webguest20: i think it would be better if it stayed 09.47.48 # it should probably try to handle the presets gracefully (maybe even "Presets have changed on disk. Reload?") 09.48.06 Join atsea-196 [0] (i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-eb046d875370a93a) 09.49.58 # LinusN: I think it's not radio specific but rather a question of RB philosophy: how USB activation is treated? Is this a normal operation observable by the other RB code or is it a 'universe freeze' not seen and transparent to the other RB code? 09.50.24 # I'm not talking about the user's but rather about the programmer's view of things. 09.51.13 # Or is it all a BS and I don't understand something? 09.51.29 # webguest20: the philosophy is to handle it as cleanly as possible, but general laziness and caution caused us to quit the current screen 09.51.50 # all threads are aware of the usb mode 09.52.14 # it won't enter the usb mode unless all threads respond to the SYS_USB_CONNECTED message 09.53.36 # the only issue is how to continue properly and deal with the changed disk contents 09.53.58 # not really a big problem 09.54.30 # ...and what the programmer should care of when dealing with this. I.e. how much is done by the 'system RB code.' 09.55.28 # I think it wouldbe good if USB were seen as a universe freeze, i.e. not seen at all. Or seen as little as possible. 09.55.50 # not possible 09.56.05 # there's things to take care of before entering usb mode 09.56.22 Join B4gder [0] (n=daniel@c213-89-188-190.bredband.comhem.se) 09.56.41 # because you're handing over control of the disk to the usb controller 09.57.11 # LinusN: with CPU scaling disabled, rockbox performs better than the OF on the Gigabeat 09.57.36 # markun: interesting 09.57.38 # is there ever a need to enable cpu scaling on gigabeat? :) 09.57.38 # this is with the CPU always at 300MHz 09.57.44 # ahaha, wtf 09.57.53 # markun: really odd, i must say 09.57.58 # preglow: we tried to get better battery life, but it only got worse 09.58.00 # battery life? 09.58.13 # now, that's just really strange 09.58.32 # it was reported earlier that running the CPU at 300 MHz used the drew the same amount of power as 100Mhz :D 09.58.56 # so there has been done actual measurements? 09.59.00 # now that's cool 09.59.05 # preglow: yes 09.59.35 # preglow: with scaling enabled: 70mA at idle and 46-55 when playing. 10.00.29 # preglow: with scaling disabled: 31mA at idle and 32-41 when playing 10.00.32 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B97C15.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.00.54 # webguest20: could you explpain why it would be good if usb mode was "invisible"? 10.01.07 # petur: yes, something has to be done. But I'd like to keep that as small as possible. E.g. the radio_screen. If you levae the function normally (b/c the user has required it) you should change the value of in_radio_screen. 10.01.08 # looks to me like something is not right with the cpu scaling code 10.01.14 # erh 10.01.27 # more at idle than when playing???? 10.01.44 # didn't iriver OF have the same thing? 10.01.44 # yes :) 10.01.52 # you need to start confiscating the booze 10.02.00 Quit darkless ("Leaving") 10.02.00 # But if the function is left b/c USB I wouldn't like to have to do anything other than hand the control over to USB handling code. 10.02.06 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 10.02.26 # the rockbox idle consumed more than iriver playing on the iriver iirc 10.02.36 # LinusN: I think it would simplify RB programming. 10.02.37 # LinusN: right? 10.02.46 # does it use more when idling without cpu scaling? 10.02.55 # webguest20: hos so? 10.02.58 # how 10.03.55 # markun: looks like you have to take a look at what happens then it is idle 10.04.21 Quit Big_Mac (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.04.32 # still, that doesn't explain what happens when it's playing 10.04.32 # LinusN: because you have to care about much less. Think of it as of a co-program (as apposed to sub-program). After return the context is completely restored and you don't have to care about anything. 10.04.58 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s026b.studby.ntnu.no) 10.05.23 # webguest20: so you think the plugin/radio screen/playback screen/whatever should go on like nothing happened? 10.05.28 # even in usb mode? 10.05.56 # JdGordon: sorry, no pms from me since I'm not regged with this nick 10.06.14 # :( 10.06.26 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@m34.net81-65-114.noos.fr) 10.06.49 # Ill email then 10.07.25 Join BHSPitMonkey_ [0] (n=stephen@adsl-66-139-216-117.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 10.07.25 Join BHSPitLappy_ [0] (n=steve-o@adsl-66-139-216-117.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 10.07.25 # you could also allow PMs from unregistered users... 10.07.26 # LinusN: no, radio playback etc. might be interrupted. But from the programmer's perspective, you doesn't notice anything. Think of it as the CPU was frozen, something was made and the the thread execution resumed. 10.07.49 # LinusN: shall I disable scaling again or leave it on until we have a better idea of what's going on? 10.07.56 # So you don't have to care about saving/restoring the state etc. 10.07.57 # B4gder: you know you can link nicks together? 10.08.06 # JdGordon: but no, there was no comment explaining the include in the middle 10.08.09 # pixelma: that would be too easy :) 10.08.13 # Mikachu: sure, if I use the original nick 10.08.21 # you only need the password 10.08.24 # nope 10.08.39 # B4gder: ok, my mistake on that one... they are temp so dw about them.. 10.08.53 # I already tried "nickserv link" 10.09.06 # and it won't accept it unless I first use identify 10.09.07 # you may have to register first :) 10.09.17 # exactly 10.09.23 # but as the new nick 10.09.26 Part kaaloo 10.09.46 # then I stopped bothered 10.09.59 # as for the first bit of the email.... once the transition is finished it will make everything simpler... youll see when the first menus are commited 10.10.31 # I doubt that 10.10.43 # I'm against the whole macro/union concept 10.11.07 # but clearly I'm not a majority 10.12.11 # LinusN: so USB activation could be treated as a sort of interrupt. Yes, that's the right word. 10.13.20 # JdGordon: don't you know bugs shouldn't be reported in the forum? ;) 10.13.48 # how big a deal is it if pcmbuf_set_low_latency(); isnt called before going into/outoff sound settings? 10.13.58 Join MonkeyTamer [0] (n=chatzill@207.62.156.85) 10.14.06 # markun: meh :D 10.14.08 # JdGordon: Quite a big deal I'd say. 10.14.12 # Try it out though 10.14.29 Quit BHSPitLappy (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 10.14.29 # pondlife: the reason I ask is that doesnt that call stop voice from working? 10.14.35 # Yes 10.14.45 # But that's the lesser of two evils IMHO 10.15.04 # I doubt that for blind people :p 10.15.19 # There was an FR for the option .... 10.15.21 Quit himitsu_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 10.15.43 # Anyway, try it out, like I said. Adjust sound settings without low latency and see if it feels rubbish 10.15.57 # It might be ok, I've not tested. 10.16.28 # ok 10.16.31 # FR? 10.17.03 Join Paprica [0] (i=Paprica@rockbox/developer/paprica) 10.17.24 # webguest20: well, the reason that the threads have to be aware of the usb mode is because they have to get a chance to finish any disk activity before entering usb mode 10.17.26 # although... Its probably a good idea to not talk in those settings so you can actually hear the changes... 10.18.08 # webguest20: just entering usb mode behind their back could cause havoc, since they might have open files etc 10.18.18 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 10.18.30 # * linuxstb wonders why there are so many .c files with only one declaration in. 10.19.04 # JdGordon: Feature Request ? 10.19.10 # linuxstb: they are not ready yet 10.19.11 # JdGordon: Not sure. 10.19.24 # LinusN: OK... 10.19.24 # It may have just been a ML post 10.19.52 # * pondlife is enjoying the snow (at last) 10.19.56 # I know there is a bug report about the sound menu not being voiced... but I dont know of anything about the actual setting screens 10.20.12 # That's probably what I was thinking of 10.20.31 Join Abcminiuser [0] (n=DPC@ppp36FB.dsl.pacific.net.au) 10.21.42 Quit MonkeyTamer ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]") 10.22.55 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Connection timed out) 10.23.21 # OK, the sound menu is converted... does anyone want to look at the patch? or shall I just commit it so you can see how much neater the menus will look? 10.24.34 # linuxstb: I'm doing testing to find out when the bootloader stopped loading the OF for greyscale iPods 10.24.42 # * dan_a hugs "git bisect" 10.26.00 Join MonkeyTamer [0] (n=chatzill@pcp009946pcs.santa-lucia.reshall.calpoly.edu) 10.26.20 # hmm.... aparently that call doesnt stop voice 10.26.50 Quit goffa (Remote closed the connection) 10.26.55 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 10.27.47 # dan_a: OK. Are you using the old ipod_fw method for all your tests? 10.28.03 # * jhMikeS is having misgivings about the variable changes he made and wants to revert it 10.28.36 # linuxstb: I am - that should still work with new bootloaders, shouldn't it? 10.28.37 # jhMikeS: enjoy :-) 10.28.58 # LinusN: you agree what that I take it? bad idea, huh? 10.29.32 # dan_a: Yes, it should. Does the Apple firmware start at all (i.e. does it do anything to the LCD), or do you just get a reboot with the Rockbox bootloader still visible? 10.30.14 # linuxstb: I don't see anything from the Apple firmware. 10.30.35 # dan_a: The odd thing is that if you look at the difference between config-ipodcolor.h and config-ipod4g.h, there is nothing that would seem to affect the bootloader. And the apple firmware starts fine on my Color. 10.30.47 # LinusN, preglow: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/GigabeatInfo?rev=2;filename=Power.html 10.30.51 # jhMikeS: i haven't looked at your commits that closely. what have you changed and why? 10.31.18 # The only difference I can see is that the Apple firmware is much smaller (around 3.5MB compared to around 5MB) for the greyscale ipods. 10.31.39 # markun: are we absolutely sure that we scale properly? how is it done? 10.32.10 # linuxstb: That's why I gave up on looking at the code to see why it's broken, and started installing bootloaders! 10.32.26 # dan_a: One test you could try (with current SVN) is to just add a "return (void*)0x10000000;" to the very start of the Rockbox bootloader - to see if any of Rockbox's hardware initialisation is the cause. 10.32.28 # LinusN: I was thinking it would be nice to have a global state with the state of various things that are commonly needed, but not persisted, but can't find enough benefit atm to justify it and I don't have a good plan to make it's purpose well defined I guess. 10.32.57 # LinusN: right now it's done by switching between fast-bus and ansynchronic clocking modes for the ARM core 10.34.02 Quit GodEater_ ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 10.34.26 # LinusN: we had some code before that actually changed the frequency from 300 to 200, but that introduced some weird bugs, perhaps we should do some more tests with that. 10.34.40 # linuxstb: We know it is something in our code, so I'll just carry on doing git-bisect until I find the commit which caused it. 10.34.55 # LinusN: in fast-bus the core is running at 100MHz btw 10.35.26 # well, better not scale then until we learn more about how to do things 10.36.03 # perhaps. I have kept it on so long because otherwise noone would look into it 10.36.28 # LinusN: couldn't closing files etc. be dealt with in a system code? I.e. it would be part of that "interrupt" handling 10.37.05 # we were getting something like 22 hours without scaling already so it's not a big deal 10.37.06 # I see though that that can't always be done without the knowledge about the context 10.37.51 # webguest20: what if the thread needs to finish writing to the file? and it would still need to know that the file was closed when the usb mode returns 10.38.11 # webguest20: and i still can't see how it would make things simpler 10.38.25 # B4gder: how about that plan to stop webclient users from using webguest nicks? 10.38.40 # :) 10.39.02 # perhaps the default nick should be "I_am_stupid", it could work as a motivator! ;-) 10.39.21 # more like I_am_lazy 10.39.42 # yes, that's the true but I'm looking for a way to make people actually change it 10.40.20 # webguest20: the thread synchronization is there to solve these problems 10.40.51 # webguest20: to make sure that there is no disk activity going on, and it is safe to hand over the disk to the USB chip 10.41.01 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 10.41.05 # is there any temporary fix to the problems with compiling on the debian image, as in with the 4.0.2 arm, or is that something I should just be just be patient for ;) 10.41.31 # what problems? 10.41.41 # it has an error 10.41.53 # um.. I know someone mentioned it earlier 10.42.25 # webguest20: there's a lot of state that each thread has that an interrupt can't have. just closing the files wouldn't be wise, it's better if the threads themselves close them and know they've done so 10.42.30 # make: *** [All] error 2 10.42.52 # it's the only sane way too, really 10.43.03 # MonkeyTamer: and that's *all* it says? 10.43.09 # :) 10.43.19 # no, I just don't know how to copy paste :( 10.43.33 # once you find out, do it in a pastebin :) 10.43.49 # just closing all files would be akin to stumbling the thread then running away 10.44.30 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 10.47.10 # collect2: ld returned 1 exit status 10.47.14 # make[1]: *** [/home/user/rockbox/build/apps/rockbox.elf] Error 1 10.47.14 # B4gder: I think the same errors show in some builds of the SVN build table (the reds for other than Archos) 10.47.15 # make: *** [all] Error 2> 10.47.44 Join GodEater_ [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-5a9a584e2a4b12ae) 10.47.45 # hm 10.49.37 # markun: mucho red 10.50.27 # but it does seem like perhaps gcc 4.0.2 for arm bugs 10.50.54 # * linuxstb will upgrade his build server to 4.0.3 10.52.27 # we need to upgrade build.rockbox.org as well 10.53.20 # B4gder: aha, the cvsmod/chlog pages have the old sidebar menu 10.53.22 # Ok, I see that it's not that simple. I only thought that if it would be possible it would take off some burden from programmers. 10.53.32 # Mikachu: yeps, been too lazy to fix 10.53.33 # Sort of thinking aloud 10.53.43 # hi everyone 10.53.50 # webguest20: well, i don't really think it is a burden 10.54.08 # Nico_P: yo 10.54.46 # i got my gigabeat :) 10.54.59 # LinusN: Ok then, file closed :-) 10.55.07 Part webguest20 10.55.36 # but there's something i don't understand... audio files i put on it just won't play 10.57.06 # ah... one is now 10.57.36 # preglow: did you give a listen to the resampler now and esp. the troublsome setting? 10.58.15 # Hmmmm... greyscale iPod bootloaders were broken by r10958 - Slasheri's new scheduler. 11.01.33 Join wooo [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 11.01.58 Quit MonkeyTamer ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]") 11.02.12 # * amiconn wonders what is broken in the greyscale ipod bootloaders 11.02.29 # Wow and we're up to... R 12227 11.06.49 # amiconn: Loading the original firmware. See FS #6629 11.09.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.11.00 # jhMikeS: nope, haven't had time 11.11.19 # can't now, and i'm going away for the weekend in a sec 11.11.48 # linuxstb: I forgot... and I wouldn't have noticed myself 11.12.08 # amiconn: I know :) 11.12.13 # B4gder: about those build errors, its a gcc bug and I dont need to try and figure out what the problem with the code is? 11.12.41 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 11.12.51 # preglow: enjoy 11.13.49 # JdGordon: perhaps 11.14.30 # B4gder: yes, sorry for the red. I was about to fix it and my PC crashed 11.15.05 # Nico_P: you have rockbox installed? 11.15.16 # markun: yes 11.17.04 # * w1ll14m thinks about how it would be in the hospital without rockbox :) 11.17.11 # markun: is there anything special with the gigabeat F for music transfer ? 11.17.16 # it would just suck! 11.17.24 # lol 11.17.49 # Nico_P: not really, what kind of problems do you have? 11.18.10 # markun: well some of the music files i transferred just didn't play 11.18.32 # w1ll14m: are you in hospital now? 11.18.50 # Nico_P: did you get an error message or something? 11.18.59 # "No File!" 11.18.59 # markun: not yet ;) 11.19.48 # Nico_P: can you check the file size? 11.20.18 # markun: when i plugged the player back in, the files were 0 byte 11.20.25 # now it seems to work fine 11.20.43 # i just don't know what i was doing wrong... maybe unmounting too soon 11.22.03 # yes, I think it's an unmount problem 11.22.24 # dan_a: Have you tried the new ipodpatcher with the last-working Rockbox bootloader? 11.22.26 # i'll try to help adapt the plugins 11.22.58 # ok. which ones need to be adapted? 11.23.05 # linuxstb: Not yet. I'm going out now, but I'll give that a go soon. 11.23.27 # markun: i noticed some graphical and keymapping glitches in some 11.23.46 # dan_a: Thanks. Also useful would be the current bootloader/ipod.c with the old Rockbox. 11.23.57 # the video playback is impressive 11.24.20 # yes, works very well 11.24.53 # * linuxstb hopes to see that one day 11.25.32 Join MonkeyTamer [0] (n=chatzill@pcp009946pcs.santa-lucia.reshall.calpoly.edu) 11.26.51 # markun: is there some kind of sensitivity setting for the cross ? 11.26.58 # no 11.27.42 # there was someone in #gigabeat who was working on it, but it looks like he gave up. 11.28.17 # linuxstb: I'll bring mine to the devcon if you didn't buy one by then :) 11.28.34 # markun: also pause on unplug seems to behave a bit strangely... 11.28.36 # markun: that does seem a rather imprecise way of making a delay loop, why not write it in asm? 11.28.46 # or i have wrong settings maybe 11.29.04 # preglow: hm, yes.. 11.29.23 # Nico_P: did you try it while the backlight was off? 11.29.31 # you're lucky it's not optimised away 11.29.46 # because everything behaves a bit strange with the backlight off :) 11.30.01 # markun: it seems to behave better with backlight off 11.30.13 # ... or not 11.30.32 # preglow: I would have liked a udelay function like the ipods have. Perhaps I should first look how it's implemented there. 11.31.11 # through a hardware register 11.31.14 # so no luck there 11.31.16 # static char buffer[1024];? 11.32.00 # in trunk/apps/menu.c 11.32.21 # JdGordon: why? 11.32.52 # * B4gder goes for lunch 11.32.55 Join safetydan [0] (n=dan@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 11.33.08 # because the options needs pointers to strings... thats not on the stack is it? 11.33.11 Quit MonkeyTamer ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]") 11.33.17 # 1024 _may_be overkill here tho 11.33.28 # JdGordon, any chance of some whitespace betwen parameters in your code? Makes it a bit hard to read. 11.33.33 # between even 11.34.06 # hear hear 11.34.08 # Ive been adding them... 11.35.38 # * preglow out 11.36.39 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 11.36.41 # well, looks like we've built our own language for writing GUI menus 11.39.32 # It will be interesting to see how this new menu stuff goes in eq_menu.c 11.39.44 # That's already (unfortunately) macro hell. Not my finest coding hour. 11.39.52 Quit GodEater_ ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 11.39.53 # JdGordon: why is the array static? 11.40.14 # JdGordon: what's the benefit of the new menu code over the old? 11.40.17 # so its not on the stack? or dont we need to worry there? 11.40.30 # JdGordon, so is code size up or down after converting sound settings? 11.40.37 # 256 bytes is not a problem 11.40.58 # safetydan: overall.. up... but once everything is finished it should be down.... 11.41.03 # * JdGordon hopes :p 11.41.21 # and if not it will be reverted? 11.41.26 # So is this macro thing faster than the old code? 11.41.42 # decayedcell, I don't think the current menu system is a bottleneck 11.42.08 # oh so its more of an easier to work with thing 11.42.37 # decayedcell, the jury is currently out on that :) 11.43.34 # imo yes, its MUCH easier to work with.... 11.44.10 # * JdGordon 's had enough of this for one night.. time to move onto a less contentious patch... the root menu :p 11.44.22 # but it is your code JdGordon, of course you would say that :p 11.44.42 # wow, the recorder build has gained 2000 bytes since I last updated 11.45.07 # it will drop off.... give me a chance with this 11.45.38 # it was 2600 down in the more "completed" patch which i scrapped... so we will be down... 11.45.42 # I know I know but I'm just stating the obvious :p 11.45.53 # JdGordon, not saying it was code. I haven't updated in about two weeks. 11.45.59 # wsa your code even 11.46.03 # it was tho :p 11.46.52 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@84.52.165.220) 11.46.55 # well with your menu patch and my/n1s's lang cleanup we'll have this recorder build sorted then :) 11.47.10 # (actually it's more n1s patch now, but anyway...) 11.48.15 # interesting error message when you put a text string in to the FS# seach on the front page 11.50.07 # B4gder: you dont think rockbox text in the ui should look like the logo? 11.51.04 Quit Caliban__ (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 11.53.42 Join triplah_ [0] (n=tripped@ppp125-141.lns2.bne4.internode.on.net) 11.54.14 # anyone know what might cause the bootloader to pause when its trying to find the firmware, then just jump to the apple firmware 11.54.18 Quit dpassen1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.54.32 # triplah_: does it show any error message? 11.55.15 # i dont get time to see it 11.55.30 # if there is 11.55.45 # last time this happened, reinstalling with the util worked 11.57.43 # we are getting a nicely coloured build tree arnt we ? :D 11.57.43 # * petur enters some text in the FS searchbox to look at the error :) 11.58.34 # actually, now when i reset it, it seems to work 11.58.46 # * jhMikeS sees Recording Screen/Recording Screen in the recording menu now :) 11.59.17 # * w1ll14m sees that his ipod crashes after opening recording screen 12.00.01 # LinusN: did you read my comment on the ThiasHias wiki account? 12.01.26 Join barry [0] (n=barry@dhcp-892b7b5c.ucd.ie) 12.01.56 # * jhMikeS will rebuild and update again-again to recheck 12.03.32 # hmm... woopsies :p yeah your right 12.04.02 # apple going diskless? http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/02/08/apple_ipod_flash_shift/ 12.04.37 # JdGordon: what about making the menu key jump to the root menu and not the settings? 12.05.00 # from where? 12.05.04 # the trees? 12.05.07 # or everywhere? 12.05.14 # s/trees/browsers 12.05.19 # yes 12.07.37 # well, we'll ave to do that if we disallow left to go to the root from the browsers 12.08.40 # hm, perhaps. Maybe I should think about it some more 12.09.10 # am I the only one who thinks rockbox should be spelt ROCKbox like the logo in the menu title? 12.09.17 # * jhMikeS thinks the check for changed firmware should always be done on usb disconnect so it's always detected 12.09.40 # * JdGordon agrees 12.10.02 # pixelma: yes 12.10.05 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 12.10.09 # * markun prefers Rockbox over ROCKbox 12.10.15 # * LinusN too 12.10.19 # * bluebrother too 12.10.19 # JdGordon: I'm RoCkBoX 12.10.30 # lol 12.10.31 # :) 12.10.32 # * JdGordon goes with jhMikeS's version to spite the lot of you :D 12.10.42 # rockbox! capital letters are the devil's seed 12.10.51 # * jhMikeS started typing and changed thoughts in the middle :P 12.11.21 # so you'll swap to rOcKbOx? 12.11.34 # Was gonna say I'm good with it myself 12.11.40 # RöCKBöX 12.11.50 # how about random capitalization? 12.12.01 # run it through strfry and memfrob too 12.12.18 # just randomize :) 12.12.20 # run it through cowsay! 12.12.31 # Well, we have called it Rockbox since the dawn of the project 12.12.31 # fixed fixed fixed 12.12.33 # cowsay and then figlet! 12.12.41 # and, change it on every new screen that shows it on every call *g* 12.12.49 # The player uses ROCKbox! as the boot logo 12.12.54 # LinusN: do you remember the name which actually won the election? 12.13.14 # the word rockbox is translated once in the entire app... making it ROCKbox to agree with the logo would be cool 12.13.14 # hmmm, wasn't it "Proteus"? 12.13.22 # Mikachu, you mean figlet then cowsay 12.13.27 # Mikachu, and toilet > figlet 12.13.42 # !BcKoOrX 12.13.53 # JdGordon: i think spelling it ROCKBox is plain ugly 12.14.05 # * bluebrother agrees again 12.14.07 # harder to read 12.14.50 # markun, ooh, is it alternate name time? how about 'vox populi'? 12.15.02 # :p 12.15.05 # use some greek letter 12.15.19 # directhex|work: to reflect the name voting? :-) 12.15.20 # like, lambda 12.15.25 # PoXBoKs 12.15.25 # LinusN: I agree that it's harder to read, but otoh it kinda resembles the graphical logo 12.15.34 # That's why the player uses it as the logo 12.15.45 # amiconn: so the logo needs to be changed? ;) 12.15.46 # but the name is Rockbox and the logo was made after the name 12.15.51 # LinusN, see, it's smart *and* relevant! i win! 12.16.03 # use the logo as default backdrop ... 12.16.24 Quit barry (Nick collision from services.) 12.16.29 # LinusN: Btw, speaking about the player: Did you test ata poweroff with an additional delay on poweron on your 4.51 player? 12.16.34 Join barry [0] (n=barry@dhcp-892b7b5c.ucd.ie) 12.16.40 # amiconn: i forgot about it :-( 12.17.00 # must be the age 12.17.06 Join ender1 [0] (n=ender@84.52.165.220) 12.17.21 Quit barry (Nick collision from services.) 12.17.43 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barry@dhcp-892b7b5c.ucd.ie) 12.17.45 Quit ender` (Nick collision from services.) 12.17.49 # if LinusN is old then that makes me almost old too :( 12.17.50 Nick ender1 is now known as ender` (n=ender@84.52.165.220) 12.18.02 # * LinusN got even older today 12.18.02 # * bluebrother fears his age 12.18.16 # * B4gder is young and fresh in comparison :-P 12.18.17 # LinusN: congrats. Febuary too, huh? 12.18.25 # :-) 12.18.28 # really? I have two days left until I get older 12.18.38 # but congrats. 12.18.43 # Mine's in 6 days 12.18.55 # happy bday to all you ld people :D 12.19.12 # old even 12.19.13 # 12 here =) 12.20.53 # directhex|work: http://pastebin.ca/raw/345274 12.23.23 # rockbox locked up.. 12.23.56 Join MonkeyTamer [0] (n=chatzill@pcp009946pcs.santa-lucia.reshall.calpoly.edu) 12.24.02 # * petur sends some happy bday wishes to LinusN and leaves for lunch 12.25.28 Quit safetydan ("Ex-Chat") 12.25.55 Quit wooo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.26.22 Quit MonkeyTamer (Client Quit) 12.27.25 # LinusN: congratulations! I didn't realise it was really your birthday and thought you just got older like we all do every day :) 12.32.10 Join GodEater_ [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-8bbee454641c1684) 12.32.26 # LinusN: congrats!! i hope you have a lot of years to come!! :) 12.32.37 # good years of course :) 12.33.23 # Linus: Happy birthday, may all your wishes come true! :D 12.35.05 # OMG it's snowing :) 12.35.36 # we've got 1-4 inches of snow around here 12.35.41 # took me 2 hours to get to work 12.37.18 # directhex: it's now a days very unusual thath we have snouw aroudn here ... 12.39.16 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@bne75-7-82-230-110-107.fbx.proxad.net) 12.39.37 Part kaaloo 12.41.06 # JdGordon: gcc allows dynamic array sizes but I never tried using it myself and don't know if it'll just bloat the code or not 12.43.33 Quit GodEater_ ("CGI:IRC") 12.46.16 # * decayedcell snow again? 12.46.30 # happy bday to LinusN anyway 12.47.19 Join tucoz [0] (i=528612c1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-db0ac2afac51221c) 12.50.57 # Regarding the root menu. Could the behaviour for the 'Now playing' be to fire up the file browser, unless nothing is playing/to be resumed 12.51.35 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.230.92) 12.51.42 # where is the root menu patch? i'd like to test it 12.52.35 # I lost the birthday lottery, mine's on Valentine's :S 12.53.37 # it could have been worse. christmas for instance 12.53.45 # there seems to be quite a few february people... 12.53.49 # or february 29th 12.53.55 # hehe 12.54.08 # * jhMikeS never found Valentine's to be such a problem for a b'day 12.54.24 # :) 12.54.59 # Well, perhaps it isn't so bad... 12.55.17 # At least I actually have a girlfriend this year :P 12.55.24 # 7away 12.55.54 # 8away! 12.55.54 # oops :-) 12.56.08 # * B4gder hands LinusN a shift key 12.56.09 # * Mikachu hugs unshifted / key 12.56.22 Part tucoz 12.57.30 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 13.00.19 # hmm rootmenu patch gives some errors 13.01.05 # http://www.pastebin.ca/345311 13.02.57 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 13.02.59 # I guess JdGordon's menu changes have broken it. 13.03.11 # how to revert? 13.03.43 # Revert what? The patch, or your version of Rockbox? 13.03.46 # i think checking out a previous revision 13.04.14 Quit decayedcell ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 13.04.24 # from 8 rebruary 13.04.24 Quit Everybody ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 13.04.38 # february** 13.04.41 # that's today 13.04.53 # I would just wait for the next version of the patch. 13.04.56 # damn indeed..... 13.09.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.13.26 Join Vakio [0] (i=vakio@adsl-215-239-237.kymp.net) 13.16.24 Join himitsu [0] (n=himitsu@61.213.185.112) 13.22.32 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 13.22.38 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 13.25.09 # linuxstb: i think you're right ;) 13.32.59 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 13.33.10 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 13.37.40 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 13.37.49 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 13.37.49 # has H300 USB charging been broken since we introduced it last week? 13.45.48 # * B4gder drops a needle 13.46.30 # *boom* 13.46.30 # woo, cables from dell 13.50.09 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 13.50.16 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 13.52.42 # (22:51:07) tucoz: Regarding the root menu. Could the behaviour for the 'Now playing' be to fire up the file browser, unless nothing is playing/to be resumed <- I think displaying "nothing to resume" is better... which file browser would you drop the user in? regular or db? 13.53.12 # JdGordon: i agree 13.53.53 # I agree too 13.53.56 # element of least surprise i guess 13.54.05 # JdGordon: me too i agree 13.54.22 # sure... you all agree now... but as soon as its commited.. boom.. you change your minds :p 13.54.29 # hahaha 13.54.32 # hehehe 13.54.44 # that's our way to keep you on your toes 13.54.59 # and i thought I was trying to keep you on yours? 13.55.04 # i've gotta test root menu as it's ot of sync right now, but i would think that would be best 13.55.45 # i was going to resync it, but sin city was on cable.. so iwatched that instead 13.55.55 # can't miss that :-) 13.55.57 # jdgordon: lol 13.56.15 # such a good movie 13.56.23 # never seen it :) 13.58.27 # well let me know when you've done a resync.... i think i would love the new root menu :) but i have to test first ;) 13.59.27 # it's brilliant cinematography. story's a little shallow, in a comic book kind of way 13.59.39 Join Everybody [0] (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 14.00.19 # OT... anyone in marseille willing to take my mate out for a beer? he is sitting on msn instead of playing tourist... 14.00.46 Quit Everybody (Client Quit) 14.01.16 Join Everybody [0] (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 14.02.12 Join OgMaciel [0] (n=omaciel@ubuntu/member/gnukemist) 14.02.40 Join orkid_ [0] (n=orkid@dataq2.utias.utoronto.ca) 14.02.42 # Is there a reason that the coldfire i2c clock divider (MFDR) isn't scaled with cpu frequency? Seems to always be set for the highest. 14.04.10 # jhMikeS: the i2c controller doesn't like changing mfdr on the fly 14.04.55 # we tried it once, but abandoned it 14.04.59 # LinusN: ok...what's meant by "on the fly" exactly? 14.05.14 # during communication 14.05.56 Quit Brunellus_ ("Ex-Chat") 14.06.31 Join perl|perl [0] (n=say@cpe-66-65-88-127.nyc.res.rr.com) 14.07.18 Quit Abcminiuser ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 14.07.53 # What about between communication? 14.08.01 # should work 14.09.05 # jhMikeS: back then, the i2c driver could yield, but it doesn't seem to do that anymore 14.10.00 # hmmm...yeah, I was wondering cause it doesn't look like anything could get in there and change the PLL during a transmission. 14.10.38 # looks like it would be safe do do it 14.11.12 # I'd rather make it yield and not change mfdr instead 14.11.46 # really, why so? too much time spent inside? 14.12.04 # don't we speak i2c in interrupt context on some players? 14.12.19 # x5/h300 14.12.24 # x5 has it's own for the pmu 14.12.26 # Hmm, on H300 and X5 we do... so no yield 14.12.37 # But then we must not touch mfdr either 14.13.06 # very true 14.13.13 # h300 uses the other bitbanging driver as well 14.13.34 # 'bitbanging' sounds so delightfully filthy 14.14.08 # hmmm, i think the i2c communication is atomic in those cases 14.14.53 # I'm not aware of interrupt context i2c except in the software driver for pmu communication...missed something did I? 14.15.53 # I don't think it's worth changing mfdr. Unlike the pcf communication, this other i2c channel isn't use very much 14.16.05 # It's just controlling the uda / tlv 14.16.05 # ah 14.16.08 # (iirc) 14.16.12 # it still doesnt compile 14.16.23 # ah, pmu comm is bitbanged 14.17.06 # I'm wonder because x5 gets very noisy on the radio at cpu idle compared to other frequencies. I don't know if it's because of the radio chip i/o for sure yet. Will check it out though soon. 14.17.42 # jhMikeS: Did you check the tlv clock at idle? We had a similar problem on iriver first 14.18.02 # amiconn: no, hadn't considered that. 14.18.22 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@81.168.44.181) 14.18.52 # The pll can be shut down at idle, but the audioclk / mclk must be kept properly 14.20.36 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 14.20.45 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 14.20.57 # I thought audioclk/mclk wasn't derived from the PLL...*still confused* 14.21.36 # No, but they are configured in PLLCR as well 14.23.28 # They're left alone now except for recording configuration. I remember fixing it recently cause the radio sound changed at idle. Should be in the commits. 14.24.06 # It got broken after the bootloader work. 14.24.09 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 14.24.10 Join norbusan [0] (n=norbusan@generic-nat.unisi.it) 14.24.12 # error im getting this time 14.24.14 # CC keymaps/keymap-gigabeat.c 14.24.14 # Build linkage.lds 14.24.14 # LD rockbox.elf 14.24.14 DBUG Enqueued KICK perl|perl 14.24.14 # /home/Denis/rockbox/build_0208/apps/settings_list.o:(.data+0x14): undefined refe 14.24.14 # rence to `__compound_literal.4' 14.24.15 *** Alert Mode level 1 14.24.15 # collect2: ld returned 1 exit status 14.24.17 # make[1]: *** [/home/Denis/rockbox/build_0208/apps/rockbox.elf] Error 1 14.24.19 # make: *** [all] Error 2 14.24.25 # arm gcc 4.0.2? 14.24.29 # yeah 14.24.39 # I suspect that's a gcc bug 14.24.59 # in 4.0.2 14.25.12 # As for x5...will have to check since radio is analog bypass for x5 and won't be so obvious. 14.25.17 Part norbusan 14.26.00 # jhMikeS: Try passing it through the audio bus instead 14.26.29 # This has the advantage that tone controls will work. At least that's why we pass radio through the digital path on iriver 14.26.52 # TLV320 has tone controls? :\ 14.26.54 # i just downloaded latest setup, it still has version 4.0.2 in it 14.27.03 # what setup? 14.27.31 # jhMikeS: Oh, I forgot... 14.29.09 # cygwin from rockbox.org 14.29.11 # amiconn: isn't that also to be able to record? 14.29.18 # and display peak meters? 14.29.41 # We don't display peakmeters in radio on swcodec 14.30.30 # What we do on iriver is just audio bus pass through, not record & play 14.31.55 Join webguest59 [0] (i=59f30d62@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-177f5c36808cfef5) 14.33.00 # The H120 just sounded like it switched samplerates, but no noise. The x5 is a noisy bugger at idle in fm. 14.34.16 *** Alert Mode OFF 14.35.21 Quit webguest59 (Client Quit) 14.37.19 # If we wanna get fancy fm can be put through the dsp :) 14.37.32 # perl|perl: I had the same problem with compiling today. Used tools/rockboxdev.sh to compile the compiler and now it works fine. 14.37.54 # jhMikeS: On X5 this might even make sense 14.38.44 # amiconn: On which point? The reason for noise or the dsp thing? 14.41.20 # Tone controls 14.51.07 # and crossfeed! 14.53.12 Join o0SmOkE0o [0] (i=52c5ce8e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1bfb84d71f28ffb4) 14.53.13 # oy...latency on the fm and keeping boost down at the same time...that's the tough bit 14.53.30 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 14.53.30 # * o0SmOkE0o greetz everyone 14.54.08 # a small and simple question from my side :) 14.54.22 Join kretender [0] (n=kaspar@182.72.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch) 14.54.39 # Where can I change the baudrate value at which rockbox communicates over the serial port ? It should be changed in serial.c 14.55.16 # o0SmOkE0o: line 54 14.55.19 # but I can only find one 9600 (at which the rockbox communicaties at the moment).. BRR1 = (FREQ/(32*9600))-1; can I change 9600 to 38400 without a problem ? 14.55.27 # yes 14.55.38 # that simple ? 14.55.40 # BRR1 = (FREQ/(32*38400))-1; 14.55.50 # should work 14.55.51 # and that should do the trick ? 14.56.09 # yes, i believe so 14.56.20 # :).. Rockbox.. I love it :) 14.56.28 # Thanks LinusN... 14.56.29 # me too :-) 14.56.32 # you're welcome 14.57.03 # busy with the GnuniLink to RockBox dongle.. and I think I'm almost done finishing it :) (hopefully) 14.57.25 # change value to 38400 and recompile rockbox... let's give it a go :) BRB 14.57.35 # good luck 14.57.55 # Thanks.. I will need it.. lol 15.02.39 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-e5696be62feba806) 15.02.42 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.03.45 Part pixelma 15.05.50 # it's safe to have another thread start transmitting/receiving a bunch of bytes while another yields in the middle of doing so maybe even trying communication with the same chip? 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I think not 15.09.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.11.22 # that won't work 15.12.45 # ok, didn't seem like it should. :) 15.15.14 Join shadou [0] (n=core@modemcable013.110-81-70.mc.videotron.ca) 15.16.54 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p54849C18.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.18.22 Quit idnar (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 15.20.00 Nick shadou is now known as aoke (n=core@modemcable013.110-81-70.mc.videotron.ca) 15.20.09 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 15.20.58 Join idnar [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 15.22.36 Part aoke 15.22.59 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.24.50 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 15.25.09 # is it possible to update arm-elf-gcc to version 4.0.3 in http://download.rockbox.org/cygwin ? 15.25.22 # yes 15.25.32 # as in someone need to do it 15.25.53 # if the provided one is 4.0.2 15.26.11 # If I knew how to make cygwin packages... I have 4.0.3 15.26.18 # then where would a yield be safely placed in i2c_coldfire besides after stopping? 15.26.37 # yes, the provided one is 4.0.2 15.27.15 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@bne75-7-82-230-110-107.fbx.proxad.net) 15.27.58 Part kaaloo 15.29.43 # * jhMikeS notices settings_list.c didn't get a Id update 15.30.45 # Then JdGordon forgot to set the svn property 15.31.16 # I see essentially $Id: $ 15.32.27 # A new file still uses $Id$ to start? 15.33.33 Quit orkid_ ("Leaving") 15.34.33 # svn won't touch $xyz$ markers unless svn:keywords is set 15.35.26 # Adding a new file won't set this property automatically (unless you have autoprops enabled in .subversion/config) 15.36.34 # So what's needed is: 15.36.50 # svn propset svn:keywords "Author Date Id Revision" apps/settings_list.* 15.36.55 # followed by a commit 15.37.20 # There are probably more files with missing svn:keywords 15.38.47 # so if no autoprops, it's needed for every new file manually 15.39.00 Join fasmaie [0] (n=yohann@cpe-65-24-165-152.columbus.res.rr.com) 15.39.40 # yes 15.43.01 Join lowlight [0] (i=c730190a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e84f5c16690c5a71) 15.50.35 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p54933D3A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.53.46 Join KurtKraut [0] (n=ktk@unaffiliated/kurtkraut) 15.55.23 # If anyone wants to test, here's a win32 version of the latest ipodpatcher - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher-0.8.zip 15.55.43 # Running "ipodpatcher --install" will now install the (embedded in ipodpatcher) bootloader. 15.56.59 Join vcardenas [0] (i=c8767629@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a16c84b9be8cfd81) 15.57.00 # oo, fancy! 15.57.27 # * GodEater claps 15.58.00 Part KurtKraut ("Leaving") 15.58.44 # Can a windows user tell me if there's a suitable directory we could suggest users download ipodpatcher.exe into, so it will be in their path when they open a random command prompt? 15.59.49 # I was thinking C:\Windows, but isn't that normally hidden/protected? 16.00.44 # %HOME% ? 16.01.27 # hidden\protected doesn't matter to cmd anyway 16.01.41 # it's only an explorer-esque metaphor 16.01.52 # I know, I'm thinking of the initial download/save. 16.01.53 Quit muesli__ ("ich will Kühe!!!") 16.02.16 # well %home% would be ideal then, cos that's where cmd is homed when you open it 16.02.25 # But what is %home% ? 16.02.36 # depends on their isntall 16.02.47 # but it should default to c:\documents and settings\ 16.03.10 # I mean how do you describe that location to someone? 16.03.16 # let me see if %home% is accepted by IE as a download location 16.03.29 Quit lowlight ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 16.03.32 # my documents? 16.03.53 # Or should we just tell people to create a "c:\rockbox" folder, save ipodpatcher to there, and type "c:\rockbox\ipodpatcher --install" 16.03.55 # why not use %HOMEPATH%Desktop? 16.03.56 # is it bad if I test this svn_autoprops on one of the files? :) 16.04.10 # IE doesn't understand %HOME% anyway 16.04.22 Join lowlight [0] (i=c730190a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-281895c7f703395d) 16.04.29 # * petur wonders why people download files to their desktop 16.04.31 # My Documents isn't where cmd get's set to as a CWD 16.04.49 # petur: Because people accept the default? 16.05.05 # because you won't need to search for them 16.05.10 # directly in the view 16.05.26 # does --install not require a device number ? 16.05.51 # Nope, that was made optional with my last commit. If no device is specified, it does a --scan, and if exactly one ipod is found, that's used. 16.05.59 # neat 16.06.22 # in that case, why not make --install the default action, with the addition of a yes/no question? 16.06.28 # then they could just double click the thing 16.06.41 # and save all this pain with cmd prompt newbies 16.06.52 # amiconn: it should be exactly those keywords you gave me? It seems like "Id Revision Date LastChangedBy" 16.06.52 # I don't want to handle terminal I/O... But if someone can code it, I'll add it. 16.07.33 # * GodEater has no windows dev environment and no desire to install one 16.07.48 # "apt-get install mingw" 16.07.59 # And then cross-compile. 16.08.05 # * GodEater points to the "no desire" bit in his above statement 16.08.27 # * linuxstb_ looks around for other volunteers... 16.08.42 # I've got VC7 packaged and waiting for me on my work PC if I actually wanted it 16.08.54 Join ppeom [0] (i=oppa123@222.101.44.68) 16.09.12 # jhMikeS: The keywords I mentioned are the ones set for all other .c and .h files 16.09.22 # (those converted from the cvs repo) 16.09.50 Quit lowlight ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 16.10.50 # *sigh* - is 0.8 commited ? 16.12.00 # GodEater: Not yet. Have you changed your mind? 16.12.07 # possibly 16.12.16 # I'll at least look at it 16.12.56 # and .S files? same thing I assume 16.13.07 Quit o0SmOkE0o ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 16.14.00 # I'm going for a coffee - if you commit it I'll check it out and have a look at how much effort it would be to handle a simple yes / no question 16.14.06 # GodEater: I want to do some more testing this evening before I commit those 0.8 changes. But if you could write a small C program to bring up a prompt, then I could incorporate it in ipodpatcher. 16.14.23 # ok - I'll do that then 16.15.11 # * LinusN has updated the cygwin arm-elf-gcc package to 4.0.3 16.16.03 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 16.16.39 # GodEater: One that also works on Linux, Mac OS X, BSD, etc etc would be nice... :-) But I guess we could make the prompt windows-only. 16.17.00 # perl|perl: did you see that? 16.17.26 # perl|perl: i have updated the arm-elf-gcc cygwin package 16.19.20 # linuxstb_: can't you just getc in a loop and use stdin as file pointer? 16.21.10 # argh...didn't seem to do anything 16.21.52 # I'll upgrade the build server 16.22.39 # svn should pick up the new config settings the next time it's run? 16.24.24 # bluebrother: Maybe, I've just never tried it... 16.24.45 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.230.92) 16.24.54 # I *think* basic terminal IO is the same across platforms in straight C 16.25.21 # I think too. I remember doing some basic thing once, but that's quite a while ago 16.25.29 # and I don't have access to my old code atm. 16.25.59 # Although maybe it's not worth the trouble, and we should try and get it in rbutil. 16.26.58 # jhMikeS: you don't need to readd the file when changing properties 16.27.24 # ah, forgot. You need for autoprops to kick in ;-) 16.27.34 Join perl|work [0] (n=jacquesc@static-64-61-105-170.isp.broadviewnet.net) 16.27.53 Part LinusN 16.27.55 # kick in? haha 16.29.06 # my subversion/config appears correct according to examples I can find...hmmm 16.31.42 # * linuxstb_ suspects rm -fr .* is badness... 16.31.53 # it won't expand to .. 16.32.03 # echo .* will... 16.32.12 # enable-auto-props = yes and *.c = svn:keywords = "Author Date Id Revision" 16.32.23 # ah, it won't expand to .. in zsh :) 16.33.29 # .* definitely expands to .. in bash (I've done that before oops) 16.33.29 # build server arm gcc now at 4.0.3 16.33.39 # My server is as well. 16.33.58 # the build dir for this takes 488M... 16.34.42 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@81.168.44.181) 16.36.51 Join perplexity [0] (n=joust@dxb-as58019.alshamil.net.ae) 16.38.44 # linuxstb: http://pastebin.ca/345495 16.39.13 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 16.39.19 # GodEater: Which OSs have you tested it on? Just windows? 16.39.25 # try compiling it under windows and see if it works 16.39.33 # no - just linux ;) 16.39.38 # :) 16.39.45 # but I'm confident it's simple enough it'll work under windows too 16.40.02 # if you don't have a box to hand I'll even test it for you 16.40.10 # I just refuse to install the dev environment 16.42.22 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 16.43.13 # It seems to work identically in Linux and Windows :0 16.43.17 # I meant :) 16.43.32 # you'll have to excuse my use of the one-true-brace-style as well - I'm too used to it :) 16.43.49 # I imagine it'll work under OSX too then 16.44.14 # http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/god.exe 16.44.18 # pondlife: around ? 16.44.53 # linuxstb: nice, internal server error :) 16.45.08 # Idiotic server... 16.45.08 # perplexity: Yep 16.45.11 # clearly you took my obfuscated virii and compiled it ;) 16.45.35 # did you get the V5 bootloader to build ? 16.45.43 # Try http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/god.exe.bin 16.45.48 # Yes, but not tried running it yet 16.45.53 # nope - same 16.46.01 # Oh, so you managed to get it patched into the hex file?? 16.46.07 # * jhMikeS thinks one test like that was more than enough 16.46.12 # .zip ? :) 16.46.13 # No, just to compile, not much time! 16.46.22 # I made about 2 minor changes to the file and it went oversize and would not patch into the H300.hex.. :( 16.46.36 # I've not tried to build a vanilla one yet.. interested to know how you get on 16.46.52 # I was going to try vanilla first. 16.46.53 # Yes, try http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/god.zip 16.47.05 # Will post back if I get a chance (at the weekend perhaps) 16.48.07 # GodEater: We can now put some nice test questions... "Have you read the manual?" "What is the fifth word on the 10th page?" etc etc 16.48.21 # hahahaha 16.48.28 # lol 16.48.40 # sadly it's harder to get an accurate answer to "have you _comprehended_ the manual?" 16.49.05 # anyway - yes -works here too (as expected) 16.49.41 # what an embarassingly small amount of code I've contributed so far to make it into the credits file 16.49.51 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 16.50.00 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 16.51.26 # linuxstb: another though occurs to me about ipodpatcher 16.51.46 # the steps to use it appear *after* the section of the manul where the user is supposed to have unzipped rockbox.zip right ? 16.51.56 # Yep. 16.52.01 # so could it also check for the existence of .rockbox/ and rockbox.ipod ? 16.52.38 # Not easily... I would either need to incorporate a FAT driver, or find out where (if anywhere) the FAT32 partition is mounted in the operating system. 16.53.03 # ah of course - it's so low level. I'd forgotten there was no file level access in it 16.53.22 # and in that case you run into the same problem Cassandra was having 16.53.37 # the FAT32 partition bit anyway 16.53.37 # Although using the Rockbox FAT driver wouldn't be that hard.... 16.53.52 # well it's just an idea anyway 16.54.14 # you mean it wouldn't be hard on 512byte sector ipods ;) 16.54.45 # True... I don't think I want to go there. 16.54.52 Quit FOAD_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.54.59 # * GodEater wonders if linuxstb has been sitting on his secret FAT / ATA improvement code and just waiting to upset LinusN with a "oh you thought that was hard?" 16.55.14 # I wish... 16.55.35 # yah me too :-/ 16.56.04 # let's forget that plan then 16.56.08 # Still, you have your gigabeat to play with now. 16.56.39 # of course - but I want all the "I stuffed my 80GB" posts to go away as well ;) 16.56.57 # not that there have been so many lately mind you 16.57.09 # in fact, they'll probably increase in number when we end up getting support working 16.57.44 # well anyway - I look forward to seeing ipodpatch-0.81 including my code :) 16.57.49 # +er 16.57.58 # including the archaic english 16.58.01 # ;) 16.59.08 Quit barrywardell ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12") 16.59.27 Join dpassen1 [0] (n=dpassen1@resnet-236-163.resnet.UMBC.EDU) 17.01.10 # Maybe the prompt will need to be in txtspk 17.02.08 # l33t $ur13y ? 17.02.28 # it would possibly get through to most of our problem users 17.02.29 Quit kretender (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.02.34 # but would make Llorean grouchy 17.04.26 # WUD U LIEK 2 INSTAL DA ROKBOX BOTLOAEDR??!!?!! OMG WTF (y/n) : 17.05.00 # perfect 17.05.21 Join Juice^ [0] (n=Juice@213.167.96.196) 17.05.38 # * linuxstb_ would like to credit the "English to 12-year-old AOL user" translator - http://ssshotaru.homestead.com/files/aolertranslator.html 17.05.40 # although possibly "TEH" in place of "DA" 17.05.53 Join mick [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c0d90001b3f3984c) 17.06.43 # About the root menu (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RootMenu): IMHO, if nothing is playing, the 'Now playing' entry should not be displayed. 17.06.45 # cute - you get random "OMG/LOL/WTF" 17.08.06 # mick: I think it should be there to act as a menu option for "resume". If there is nothing to resume, it can say so. 17.08.09 # And the 'Browse Plugins' entry should be be named just 'Plugins'. Since all other entries are just nouns. Why is the entry for bookmarks called 'bookmarks' and not 'Browse bookmarks'? Aha! 17.08.34 # linuxstb: then it should be 'Resume playback' in that case 17.08.41 # mick: There's also blind users to consider - disappearing menu items don't help them. 17.09.08 # linuxstb: ok, hiding it is a bit too much, I agree. 17.09.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.13.19 # So we have two entries but only one is displayed at a time. One just goes to the WPS and the other resumes playback. 17.16.39 Part mick ("gtg") 17.17.35 # I'm not sure why going to WPS / resume playing are different 17.17.54 # GodEater: I don't think they should be 17.18.12 # I think mick is confused then 17.18.18 # that sounds like only one entry to me 17.18.33 Quit Juice^ ("Leaving") 17.18.52 # GodEater: maybe he wants the title to change 17.19.34 # * GodEater blesses the writers of RDP-for-linux 17.19.37 # like "now playing" when something is playing or "start playback" when it's no 17.20.55 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC") 17.21.08 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-c58fb666358ece0d) 17.21.10 # in any case it will be playing by the time you get to the screen, so "while playing screen" is right :) 17.22.38 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.23.39 Quit B4gder ("Leaving") 17.27.45 # did that thing work on OSX too linuxstb? Or are you Mac challenged currently ? 17.28.27 # I'm without Mac. 17.28.43 # http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/Vmware_how_to ??? 17.28.48 # * GodEater gets confused between linuxstb* nicks 17.29.04 # I'm not sure what happens if you double-click on a console app in the Mac OS X GUI though. 17.29.11 # (or Linux for that matter...) 17.29.35 # * linuxstb_ should probably disconnect from IRC at home when he goes out 17.29.53 Quit linuxstb (Remote closed the connection) 17.29.59 # well on linux it will depend highly on your DE I imagine 17.30.01 # There he goes. 17.30.38 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 17.31.12 # it's not really possible for me to test double-clicking on a terminal app in my current DE for example. There's nowhere to double-click on. 17.31.36 # I *think* gnome / nautilus are clever enough to launch a terminal though 17.31.41 # can't speak for KDE 17.31.47 # or XFCE for that matter 17.32.02 # * GodEater looks to Mikachu for openbox advice 17.33.42 # openbox is a window manager, not a desktop environment 17.33.51 # I've just tried (a very old version of) Konqueror, and you seem to need to right-click, select "open with", and then "run in terminal" 17.34.16 # many gui apps also output text on the console 17.34.23 # so it's not really possible to autodetect 17.34.29 # * GodEater assumes people savvy enough to run linux / bsd won't need to double-click anyway 17.34.59 # Mikachu: good point - I'd not thought of that 17.35.10 # I think I may have imagined that case with gnome then 17.35.34 # * GodEater goes to try with nautlius 17.35.39 Quit petur ("stkov") 17.35.41 # you're not supposed to go in /usr/bin and double click things anyway 17.36.36 Quit tchan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.37.04 # yeah - gnome currently has no option to run from terminal 17.37.15 # so double clicking does absolutely bugger all (that's visible to the user) 17.37.32 # btw, you can use openbox as a wm in gnome if you want, their default wm is called metacity 17.37.46 # if you double click on "yes" you'll make your computer a lot slower :) 17.37.50 # or at least use more power 17.37.55 # * GodEater doesn't use Gnome. 17.38.11 Quit ppeom () 17.38.21 # E17 baby. (But I think we've had this conversation) 17.38.45 # we might have :) 17.38.52 # * GodEater was pleased to see the addition of animated icons in a recent build 17.39.42 # not quite as pointlessly resource hungry as the "snow" and "flame" plugins 17.40.10 # Clicking terminal-only apps doesn't seem to do anything in Thunar (the Xfce file manager). 17.40.17 Join tchan [0] (n=tchan@lunar-linux/developer/tchan) 17.40.32 # I think they don't even start because they don't get a proper STDIN/STDOUT 17.40.33 # Clicking on /usr/bin/iceweasel works like a charm, on the other hand. 17.40.45 # * GodEater starts the snow plugin (appropriate for today I think) 17.41.22 # But yes, I think we can rely on Unix users (apart from Mac OS X) to be able to run a command-line program... 17.42.13 # I think for double-clickness in OSX you'll have to wait on rbutil 17.42.20 # or do some serious hacking on ipodpatcher 17.42.48 # I'll find out tonight... Maybe there will be some kind of right-click option. 17.42.53 # right - I think I've got to scarper. Off to see Ed Byrne tonight. 17.43.00 # right click on a one button mouse.... 17.43.05 # that would be clever ;) 17.43.08 # who runs applications by double clicking nowadays, there're .desktop files for it 17.43.42 # write us a .desktop file for ipodpatcher then 17.44.01 # umm, it won't work everywhere 17.44.08 # Where would it work? 17.44.19 # hmmm...switching MFDR helps about 1% on boost on the H120, worth it? 17.44.33 # it should work on all desktop.org DE's 17.44.47 # insert the word "compliant" in there 17.45.06 # right - gtg - later all 17.45.07 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC") 17.45.13 # btw. linux/bsd users can't use commandline ? 17.46.19 # no, the commandline was removed from bsd years ago 17.46.26 # riiight :) 17.47.23 # for windows and mac os x - ideal would be gui, but on others - I don't think so 17.47.44 # desowin: i agree... gimme commandline :) 17.47.55 # desowin: sorry if I read your question out of context 17.49.00 # desowin: I think we all agree Unix users should be capable of running a command-line app, we were just testing what happened... 17.52.35 # i feel like i have more control about things when i use commandline 17.52.41 # ;) 17.52.53 # it's faster to use commandline 17.53.04 # and easier, and better, and whatever 17.53.13 # you don't have to click the annoying 'next' button 17.53.21 # lol 17.53.43 # i never use UI's on linux 17.53.47 # GUI's * 17.54.06 # well, for some apps GUI's are good 17.54.18 # but not for something you run once 17.54.35 # that's true, but even then i roughter use commandline then gui 17.54.53 # because i don't even have a GUI :) 17.55.08 # * desowin wouldn't be able to live without xfce 17.55.21 # lol 17.56.01 Nick Arathis is now known as Arathis_afk (n=doerk@p54849C18.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.56.18 Join Caliban [0] (n=ianmacd@kwark.caliban.org) 18.07.23 Join Lhademmor [0] (n=chatzill@x1-6-00-09-5b-fd-4f-8f.k888.webspeed.dk) 18.10.51 # ok. What I found out today... on snow, it's perfectly possible and safe (well.. on this amount :P) to drive 100 kph 18.10.57 # and my traction control is completely useless 18.11.22 # I could only lose my grip when really slamming the brakes 18.11.29 # and still only before ABS jumps in 18.11.48 Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 18.11.55 Join busa_blade [0] (n=butlerda@h4607fc91.area7.spcsdns.net) 18.11.56 # yet, everyone is terribly afraid of driving in this weather :/ 18.12.06 # they should buy winter tires :P 18.12.25 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=stephan@dslb-084-056-108-038.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.12.26 # lol 18.12.35 # \join #gigabeat 18.12.41 # oops 18.13.34 Join CriamosAndy [0] (n=Criamos@p54933109.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.13.38 # weather warnings and everything... for 5cm of snow.. woohoo 18.13.57 # the only retards I saw out on the road were those driving without any lights in fog+snow 18.14.49 # anyone know where I can find info about getting the plugins working with the emulator? 18.15.18 # Have you run "make install" ? 18.15.54 # ok... I am officially a retard 18.16.10 # *smacks self in head* 18.16.28 # what 18.16.35 # you drive in fog and snow without any lights lit on your car? 18.16.51 # :P 18.18.10 Join ackbahr [0] (n=ackbahr@d213-103-146-56.cust.tele2.ch) 18.18.23 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p549659DE.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.19.12 # -* 18.19.12 # :P 18.19.26 # my gigabeat is on the way *sings songs of joy* 18.20.40 # Anyone want to try the new, interactive ipodpatcher-0.8 for Windows? http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher-0.8.zip 18.20.45 # Just unzip and double-click... 18.20.49 # (and pray) 18.21.53 # will it kill my harddrive if I try it without iPod attached? 18.22.46 # hehehe 18.22.58 # I can't promise anything, but it doesn't for me. 18.23.10 # /quit Connection reset by peer 18.23.11 # :P 18.23.23 # * DataGhost searches for cable 18.24.36 # seems to work 18.24.45 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@p549AEB82.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.24.46 # but I dosn't wantz to install the rockbox loader 18.24.47 # :P 18.25.13 # You're allowed to say no. :) 18.25.31 # wow 18.25.40 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 18.25.56 # yeah 18.25.58 # but what will it do 18.26.04 # install the loader? or ask me for a filename? 18.26.11 # Just exit. 18.26.11 # I discourage people to use rockbox on iPod nano in its present form. I am unsure if it was rockbox or something else which murdered my nano. 18.26.20 # no, when I say yes 18.26.20 # :P 18.26.37 # you came online just to say that Lhademmor? 18.26.40 # The Rockbox bootloaders are embedded inside ipodpatcher.exe now, so it will install that. 18.26.43 # worked for me 18.26.49 # usually if something doesn't work it's PEBKAC :P 18.26.56 # ah ok linuxstb 18.27.03 # commandline switches still work, right? :P 18.27.07 # DataGhost: Not really. Partly bitching, partly hoping someone could point out something I've missed 18.27.11 # Lhademmor: If Rockbox murdered your Nano, it's the first ipod ever to have been. What's the problem? 18.27.34 # rockbox doesn't murder anything, last time I checked anyway 18.27.43 # it'll just punch your iPod in the nuts 18.27.50 # which can be fixed in the hospital (iTunes) 18.27.53 # linuxstb: It doesnt' respond to anything at all. Like it's turned off and won't turn on - doesn't show anything while recharging or connecting to PC either 18.28.13 # That's common for Nanos with very low battery. 18.28.13 # and obviously you've tried to reboot it etc? 18.28.27 # (well, all ipods with low battery). 18.28.39 # You just need to charge, wait, and press MENU+SELECT occasionally. 18.28.45 # (and make sure the hold switch is off) 18.28.59 # Tried rebooting it a couple of times and have had it recharging for a couple of days 18.29.04 # oh yes, the infamous hold switch.. hehe:) 18.29.29 # Maybe your cable is broken, meaning the ipod isn't charging... Or something similar. 18.29.39 Quit Criamos (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.29.51 # Are you charging with a PC, or via a wall-adapter? 18.30.21 # Some people have also advised needing to hold MENU+SELECT for up to 30 seconds (being careful not to twitch) 18.30.28 # Both 18.30.31 # Lhademmor: if you are charging with pc, try another pc 18.30.34 # ow ok 18.31.16 Quit vcardenas ("CGI:IRC") 18.31.25 # Do I HAVE to hit MENU and SELECT at the absolutely same time, or is it okay to hold MENU and then press SELECT? 18.31.26 # it's almost impossible to damage hardware from rockbox 18.31.47 # Lhademmor: You just need to hold them together, it doesn't matter if you press one first, but hold them both down. 18.32.34 # w1ll14m, maybe it's not caused by rockbox - I dunno, but I'm afraid my warranty is cancelled the moment I switch firmware? 18.33.07 # hmmm i think when the hardware is dead, they should replace it, but i'm not shure 18.33.31 # If the hardware's dead, they won't know Rockbox is on. If the hardware isn't dead, then you're doing something wrong now... 18.34.23 # linuxstb: i thought something like that, but maybe they have some tools for direct checking it's memory.. would they go so far ????? 18.34.24 # Ah, cool. That was reassuring :) 18.34.40 # probably not... 18.34.41 Quit pondlife ("disconnected has pondlife") 18.34.50 # w1ll14m: Yes, they may do. But I would imagine they don't waste much time attempting to repair them. 18.36.58 # But since iPod nano + rockbox made a screwy "constant rebooting" when recharging I'm afraid that it could somehow have fried something 18.37.15 # That bug was fixed a few days ago. 18.38.07 # So you left your Nano doing that for long periods of time? 18.38.44 # No, I don't believe so 18.39.29 # One day I had it with me, listening to it. Then I shut it down because I had work to do, and when I tried to turn it on ~1 hour later it was dead 18.45.53 # Put back the original mi4 file in the root dir. 18.45.59 # is the root dir /SYSTEM? 18.46.02 # or just / 18.46.08 # on the sansa e200 18.46.49 # In general the root dir is / 18.47.04 # I don't know anything about where mi4 files go on the sansa though. 18.47.09 # ah 18.47.16 # yeah its updating 18.47.19 # :D 18.49.30 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 18.49.42 Join wooo [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 18.51.47 Quit ackbahr ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.9/2006120612]") 18.53.36 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 18.58.41 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 19.02.46 Quit Mikachu ("brb") 19.02.56 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 19.03.00 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 19.03.13 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 19.05.38 # Lhademmor: i've had it once or twice... just reset ipod, sometimes it solves the prob 19.07.02 Join Mikachu [0] (i=Mikachu@kr-lun-154-152-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com) 19.07.03 # A windows executable for the version of ipodpatcher I've just committed is here - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher-0.8.zip 19.07.17 # Suggestions for the text ipodpatcher should display in interactive mode is welcome. 19.07.30 # s/is/are/ 19.08.50 # linuxstb: Maybe "install/update" instead of just "install"? 19.09.18 # Actually, nevermind 19.09.32 # People might think that would mean it'd fetch a new version or something. 19.09.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.10.15 # Is it working for you though? 19.10.52 # I haven't tried it yet. 19.10.57 # I just looked for the new strings in the diff 19.11.09 # I really thinking of what it can say (and this can be OS-specific) when ipods are not found. e.g. text about forcing your ipod into disk mode, needing administrator/root privileges, closing itunes etc etc. 19.11.45 # "The iPod was not accessible. Make sure to follow the instructions in the manual for properly connecting it and rerun this program." ? 19.12.49 Join mick [0] (i=543a9997@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-320f51ac86563299) 19.12.49 # I would like to have at least some advice in ipodpatcher itself, and we could add "for further troubleshooting advice, see http://...." 19.13.37 # And meanwhile _my_ iPod seems to have escaped to somewhere. I'm afraid I can't test it at the moment. 19.14.55 # I'd like to resume the discussion about the Now playing entry in the main menu. 19.14.57 # linuxstb: it worked for me 19.15.14 # toer: Thanks - which ipod? 19.15.20 # 3g 19.15.32 # Does the original firmware start OK on the 3g/ 19.15.33 # ? 19.15.40 # Markun understood me correctly: I think the title should change depending on whether music is currently plaing 19.16.31 # it did the few times i tried, i'm recharging it atm 19.17.07 # It's correct that even if it's not playing it will be plaing by then. But the entries should be meaningful at the moment they are displayed and not when the action has been executed. 19.17.09 # No problem, I'm sure dan_a has said it's working fine on his 3g. I just wanted confirmation. 19.17.33 # the old ipodpatcher did not work for me so when it is recharged i will play some more with it 19.17.46 # Yes, I only recently added 3g support for ipodpatcher. 19.18.35 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 19.18.44 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 19.19.19 # mick: I think I agree with you. It also means, that the "start screen" setting would include "Resume Playback" instead of "Now Playing", which is clearer. 19.19.51 # linuxstb: Works fine on my Nano. 19.21.13 # Thanks. 19.21.26 Nick Arathis_afk is now known as Arathis (n=doerk@p54849C18.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.21.30 Quit midgey () 19.22.46 # linuxstb: Actually, nevermind, it doesn't 19.22.53 # It doesn't? 19.22.55 # Nope 19.23.04 # I just noticed, the revision on my bootloader was the same as previously 19.23.11 # Well, it's the same bootloader... 19.23.26 # Well, I just tried a -d, and the Rockbox bootloader is still there. 19.24.03 # So "ipodpatcher -d" doesn't delete the bootloader? 19.24.03 # Oh, wait, nevermind 19.24.06 # I'm stupid 19.24.16 # I forgot that I don't have a main firmware image on the iPod right now 19.24.30 # So when I removed the bootloader, the other bootloader that had been -af'ed ran. 19.24.35 # err -wf'ed 19.24.59 # OK... 19.26.07 # Sorry, I just forgot what I'd done to my iPod 19.27.04 # No problem... 19.27.44 # * linuxstb has just had a corrupt thought... 19.27.46 # linuxstb: Okay, trying to restore my iPod to test, as I seem to be encountering troubles but it could be the things I've done 19.28.50 # linuxstb: Okay, it does NOT work on my Nano. 19.28.50 # You could install rockbox.ipod with -wf, extract the apple_os, and call it rockbox.ipod and put that on your FAT32 partition, and then install the Rockbox bootloader, and then the Apple firmware would boot by default, with Rockbox booting when the hold switch was on... 19.29.23 # linuxstb: I restored a bootpartition.bin that was known good. Then I just ran ipodpatcher without parameters. 19.29.29 # I get something people in our forums might call a 'brick' 19.29.36 # It stays at the Apple logo, backlight off, and does nothing 19.29.43 # Disk mode still works fine, of course. 19.30.39 # Hmm... 19.30.52 # Trying to manually add a bootloader now 19.31.14 # Nope. 19.31.43 # After you restore your bootpartition.bin, what does "ipodpatcher --list" tell you? 19.32.05 # And have you tested booting your Nano after the restore? 19.32.28 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.3.192) 19.33.26 # linuxstb: Just as a note, the version of ipodpatcher.exe available at the download.rockbox.org works fine with the same bootloader.ipod file, just to verify my iPod is still okay. 19.33.36 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 19.33.39 # The --list shows the three partitions. 19.33.45 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 19.33.46 # Main Firmare, RCSC, and AUPD 19.34.02 # Err RSRC 19.34.58 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.68.79) 19.35.02 # After installing the bootloader with the previous ipodpatcher, does the new ipodpatcher work? (note that the bootloaders embedded in ipodpatcher are the ones on download.rockbox.org) 19.35.21 # Maybe try a -d, followed by the new ipodpatcher. 19.36.23 # The new one -d 'ed fine. 19.36.27 # mick: but remember that the patch is still work in progress and small things like this can be changed at any time. 19.36.50 # But it failed to properly install the bootloader. 19.37.23 # Llorean: OK... I have to go now, but I'll read the logs in an hour or two when I get home. I can also do some more testing myself there. 19.37.29 # If I have it -d after it 'bricks' the iPod, it works fine again. 19.37.39 Quit kubiix (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.37.42 Nick Everybody is now known as Everybody|food (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 19.37.53 Join ApoXX [0] (n=0x1A4@encyphered.com) 19.38.12 # Llorean: OK, that's helpful. 19.38.21 # bbl 19.38.23 Quit linuxstb ("Client Exiting") 19.40.17 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 19.43.40 Part ApoXX 19.45.19 Join shodan [0] (n=shodan@ip047.96-113-216.pppoe1.joliette.intermonde.net) 19.45.46 Quit shodan ("Why do we even have to have quit messages ?") 19.51.33 # What version of arm-elf-gcc do we get with the rockboxdev.sh? 19.53.39 # 4.0.3 19.54.00 Join stoicmt [0] (i=stoic@adsl-75-40-24-241.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) 19.54.40 # markun: Okay, good to know. 19.56.28 Quit _FireFly_ (Remote closed the connection) 19.56.56 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=stephan@dslb-084-056-108-038.pools.arcor-ip.net) 20.00.07 # The VMWare image is outdated, again. 20.01.09 Join mattzz [0] (n=mattzz@e177174071.adsl.alicedsl.de) 20.02.51 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.03.10 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 20.03.20 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 20.05.57 Quit perplexity (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.10.36 Join bluebrother [0] (i=0jciULFy@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 20.12.03 Join Byron27 [0] (i=Byron@69.44.27.66) 20.13.41 # can someone point me in the direction of how to install rockbox on my iriver 890? 20.14.24 # iriver 890? 20.14.42 # what kind of device is that? 20.15.07 # it's a red thing that sorta looks like an elongated triangle 20.15.15 # it's a lower capacity version of the 899 20.15.19 # then it's definitely not supported 20.15.34 # Rockbox supports the players listed at the frontpage 20.16.05 # I don't know anything about a 890 20.16.25 # And it doesn't seem to be simply a differently labeled player 20.16.47 # Hmmm... interesting 20.17.49 Join Thundercloud__ [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.202.193) 20.18.10 # The 8xx series are very similar to the 7xx series 20.18.33 Quit mick ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 20.18.40 # If the 7xx port is ever finished, an 8xx port will probably immediately follow, since it *should* just require a few changes if my understanding is correct (the hardware is identical, I heard) 20.18.44 # ifp700? 20.18.47 # But there's nothing usable for the 7xx or 8xx right now 20.18.48 # bluebrother: Yeah 20.18.55 # ah. Ok. 20.21.28 # Byron27: Where did you get indication that the iFP-890 was supported, by the way? 20.24.53 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]") 20.27.09 Join shodan [0] (n=shodan@ip047.96-113-216.pppoe1.joliette.intermonde.net) 20.27.14 # is there a way to make the diskmode animation less ugly ? 20.28.29 # There's no animation... 20.28.48 # It's a single image. You could edit it in the source, and recompile with a new image. 20.29.48 # [13:27] is there a way to make the diskmode animation less ugly ? <---- my friend Blair has an 899 and he said it was supported, but I am beginning to think he's full of it 20.30.56 # I think it DOES have a UMS driver to make it work without their software, but I am thinking it doesn't support rockbox as you guys KNOW what you are talking about 20.32.14 # Both the iFP-700 and iFP-800 players have UMS firmware versions. They have some restrictions compared to the ones that user the iRiver manager. 20.32.43 # oops I meant on a ipod video, in diskmode the interdiction sign blinks, that's what I meant by animation 20.32.59 # But there's no working Rockbox for the 800, and the one for the 700 is still quite limited. 20.33.20 # shodan: That's the Apple firmware, changing it has nothing to do with Rockbox 20.34.34 # Llorean, before I installed rockbox, that sign was red and glassy , now it black and white, much smaller and pixelated (rough edges) 20.34.56 # shodan: Yes, because they're two different disk modes. 20.35.16 # But they're still both Apple disk mode. One is the software disk mode, and the other is the 'emergency' hardware disk mode. 20.36.03 # ah k, that would be "fixable" only if rockbox had usb support right ? 20.37.08 # If Rockbox had USB support, it'd have its own USB screen. 20.37.20 # You wouldn't be 'fixing' the Apple one, you'd just never need to use it. 20.37.57 Join linuxboy2 [0] (n=anon@yoda.frogfoot.net) 20.39.28 Join Wiwie [0] (n=goddi@vpnsh0113.fh-trier.de) 20.39.36 Quit darkless ("Leaving") 20.40.52 Quit Thundercloud_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.41.15 Quit Wiwie (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.41.28 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@m145.net195-132-203.noos.fr) 20.42.59 Part Llorean 20.50.07 Join Pyromancer [0] (n=Pyromanc@dsl092-069-150.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 20.53.13 Part linuxboy2 20.56.26 Quit Lhademmor ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]") 21.00.25 Join webguest38 [0] (i=d90a1a7e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1274ebc6704cd1d1) 21.05.36 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.07.21 Quit azrael1 ("User disconnected") 21.09.34 Quit OgMaciel (Remote closed the connection) 21.09.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.10.04 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.196.108) 21.10.45 Join OgMaciel [0] (n=omaciel@ubuntu/member/gnukemist) 21.16.40 Quit Thundercloud__ (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 21.22.23 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@rockbox/administrator/Llorean) 21.23.48 Join decayedcell_ [0] (n=decayed_@ppp185-135.lns2.mel4.internode.on.net) 21.27.08 Join Yallii [0] (n=gustos@ip33-5-212-87.adsl2.versatel.nl) 21.28.16 # hey 21.28.33 # anyone got a quick link to those prebuild emulators? 21.28.39 # had it and now I can't find it :( 21.28.42 # Do you mean the simulators? 21.28.49 Quit decayedcell_ (Remote closed the connection) 21.28.51 Join brainiac_ghost [0] (i=brainiac@evangilion.brainiacghost.co.uk) 21.28.58 Join decayedcell_ [0] (n=decayed_@ppp185-135.lns2.mel4.internode.on.net) 21.29.53 # I guess so 21.30.11 # there's this page that has them for different types 21.30.15 # You... don't know what you want? 21.30.28 # I do know but I don't know what to call it ;) 21.30.29 # There's the emulator for the Sansa, that emulates the hardware. 21.30.44 # that's not the one I'm after 21.30.45 # Then there's the simulator, which is the user interface simulator, which fakes how Rockbox looks on various players, but does no hardware emulatoion. 21.30.56 # emulation 21.30.58 # that's what I'm looking for 21.31.05 # http://rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/ 21.31.05 # the simulator then 21.31.12 # bookmarked! 21.31.15 # thank you very much 21.31.18 # They're specifically called Simulators because they very definitely are *not* emulators. 21.31.47 # another lesson learnt 21.32.21 # thanks Llorean 21.32.23 Quit Yallii () 21.32.26 Join linuxstb [0] (i=5343d4aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9950dc9b3eb1d637) 21.34.29 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@81.168.40.152) 21.36.05 # Is the only way rockbox knows which plugins to view, run and so on the existance of the .rock files? 21.36.22 # Llorean: I've tried the new ipodpatcher on my Color (in Windows) and my Video (in Linux), and they're both working, so I've no clues about your problem. 21.37.17 # linuxstb: If I dump a bootpartition.bin using the previous ipodpatcher with the current bootloader.ipod, it should be identical to one from the new ipodpatcher, right? 21.39.04 # You mean a bootpartition.bin created with the previous ipodpatcher and bootloader-ipodnano.ipod, compared to a bootpartition.bin created by the new ipodpatcher with embedded bootloader? 21.39.23 Part decayedcell_ 21.39.33 # linuxstb: Yes 21.39.50 # Yes, they _should_ be identical. 21.40.06 # So, differences would have useful information. 21.40.39 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 21.40.45 # Yes. A dump of the result of running the new ipodpatcher with embedded bootloader would be useful. 21.41.03 # (Just the first 10MB should be enough). 21.41.48 Quit webguest38 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.43.03 # * linuxstb wonders if there are any Linux users with a Nano who can test the new ipodpatcher 21.44.21 # linuxstb: There's three bytes difference at 0x421C 21.44.27 Quit hcs ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") 21.45.38 # Then there are no differences until ~5.5mb in. 21.46.17 # 0x421c is the checksum (of the Apple firmware combined with the bootloader), and then 5.5MB is where the bootloader starts. 21.47.13 # Did you say you get the "ipod support" screen, or does it just freeze on the apple logo? 21.47.30 Join hcs [0] (n=hcs@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 21.47.40 # Freeze on apple logo 21.47.45 # Backlight does not turn on 21.48.07 # Whatever's here isn't the bootloader, I don't think 21.48.18 # I'm pretty sure it doesn't contain the string "OriginatorReference" for example 21.48.36 # Your bootpartition.bin contains that string? 21.48.43 # Yes 21.48.52 # In the area where the bootloader should be. 21.49.14 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 21.50.09 # OK, I think I have a clue what might be going on. I'll try something. 21.50.41 # Everything seems to be fine after the bootloader. After a point the rest of the files are perfectly identical 21.50.43 # Did you say that using an external bootloader.ipod file also fails? 21.51.47 # Also, how many differences are there? Does it look like the entire (about 65KB) bootloader is wrong, or just the start? 21.52.40 # An external bootloader.ipod also fails, yes. 21.52.47 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@unaffiliated/funky) 21.53.58 # i can't get my iriver to talk to my computer!!!! 21.54.00 # linuxstb: There are ~61708 bytes of difference, which is almost exactly the size of the bootloader for Nano 21.54.20 # the stupid manager software is not seeing the iriver 21.54.37 # linuxstb: And it doesn't look like it's just offset either, there's a lot of actual difference from the looks of it. 21.54.59 # Byron27: This is not a generic iRiver support channel. This is for Rockbox related stuff 21.55.25 # okay, thanks :-) 21.55.32 # just frusterated at this thing 21.55.44 # I'll go punch a wall and not bug you guys with this 21.55.48 # :P 21.55.56 # Or you could just contact iRiver support. 21.56.06 # There's a simple solution - don't use the stupid manager software. 21.56.32 # linuxstb: The iFP-8xx requires it, unless you want to use a crippled version of the firmware. 21.56.45 # linuxstb: And I assume that's the player he's talking about, as it was earlier at least. 21.58.27 # linuxstb: The OriginatorReference part shows up more than once. And there's no signs of the strings that are actually *in* the Rockbox bootloader that I've spotted in the other file 21.59.50 Quit Byron27 () 21.59.52 Quit stoicmt (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.00.38 # Can you try this version? http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher-0.8.zip 22.01.57 # Okay 22.01.58 # Testing 22.02.23 Quit bun-bun () 22.02.23 # linuxstb: Works fine 22.03.10 # Ran it with no parameters, it added a bootloader for me, it worked, everything was happy. 22.04.48 Join bun-bun [0] (n=bun@71-92-214-26.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) 22.07.06 Quit brainiac_ghost ("Leaving") 22.07.23 # Llorean: OK. I'm not sure why, but at least it's working... I think the external bootloader install will still be broken though. 22.07.40 # What was wrong? 22.08.34 # linuxstb: And, adding an external bootloader just worked fine with it 22.09.36 # Now that's odd... 22.09.45 # That part of the code didn't change at all. 22.10.24 # Unless it's not actually using the external bootloader file? 22.10.42 # Or unless I did the test wrong the first time 22.10.44 # Which seems more likely 22.13.18 Join scubacoles [0] (n=scoles@eth4699.sa.adsl.internode.on.net) 22.13.49 # linuxstb: Hm, now it's not working. 22.14.08 # What isn't working? The external file? 22.14.11 # Yeah 22.14.19 # Yes, I've found the bug now. 22.14.51 # I seem to be having difficulty testing consistently right now. Heh. 22.15.33 # I changed the point in the program where the bootloader was being copied to in-memory image of the new firmware. But in the case where the firmware has to be shuffled around (i.e. the first time you run it with a clean firmware partition), the copy of the bootloader was being overwritten. 22.15.59 # Aaaah 22.17.23 # * Domonoky is interessted in adding support for ipodpatcher in rbUtil, but i dont know how to integrate it best. Calling the binary or make use of the code directly.. 22.17.59 Join Thundercloud__ [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.141.67) 22.18.13 # I would say call the binary, if the binary's gonna have embedded bootloaders. 22.18.14 # I would like rbutil to use the code directly. 22.18.24 # :-) 22.18.40 # RButil should then not use embedded bootloaders, but rather download them like it does the build. 22.18.55 # Yes, I agree. 22.20.40 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 22.20.54 # what would be a nice name for a maze-generation plugin? rockmaze? 22.21.05 # or simply maze? 22.21.08 Part scubacoles ("Leaving") 22.22.00 # hm, but when i use the ipodpatcher code directly, i have to modify the ipodpatcher code.. (i think ) 22.22.14 # mattzz: Simply 'maze' 22.23.13 # agreed 22.23.32 # mattzz: If everything were named RockSomething, the list would be very, very irritating to scroll through 22.23.48 # first come, first serve ;-) 22.23.59 # Llorean: I see the point - it's valid. 22.24.15 Quit Thundercloud_ (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 22.25.08 # Llorean: Can you try again (same URL). This should fix both internal and external bootloaders. 22.26.45 Quit fasmaie (Remote closed the connection) 22.27.46 # linuxstb: Okay, about to try it 22.30.13 # Seems to work fine 22.30.29 # Good. Thanks a lot for testing. 22.32.28 # Glad it's working. 22.32.34 # * petur is running rockboxdev.sh under ubuntu inside virtualbox :) 22.33.44 Join fasmaie [0] (n=yohann@cpe-65-24-165-152.columbus.res.rr.com) 22.35.50 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.37.12 # n8 22.37.18 Join entheh [0] (n=purr@88-106-157-248.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 22.37.24 # m7 22.37.59 # 42 22.40.31 Quit muesli__ ("ich will Kühe!!!") 22.42.35 # OK, maze generator plugin patch is in the tracker: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6636 22.42.36 # have fun. 22.42.49 # Screenshots: http://mattzz.dyndns.org/twiki/bin/view/Projects/RockboxMaze 22.43.06 # neat 22.44.22 Quit amiconn (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 22.44.23 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.44.43 # mattzz: looks nice 22.45.17 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 22.45.19 # Mac OS X is happy for me to double-click on the new ipodpatcher - it starts it in a terminal window. 22.45.53 # markun: thanks 22.48.09 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 22.50.10 # mattzz: just a tip: I would replace the 'This is just another completely pointless plugin' with something more positive ;) 22.50.38 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 22.50.47 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 22.51.24 # petur: you mean this is not a pointless plugin? :-P 22.51.39 # indeed ;) 22.51.48 # ... "Finally we get the ultimate maze plugin for Rockbox" 22.51.59 # and here's an idea for an improvement: 22.52.01 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picture_maze 22.52.03 # :-) 22.52.53 # So, allow it to load .maze files, or something, and then let it leave a path behind you? (Or be able to show the path upon completion)? 22.53.12 Quit desowin ("use linux") 22.54.46 Quit fasmaie (Remote closed the connection) 22.54.49 Join fasmaie [0] (n=yohann@cpe-65-24-165-152.columbus.res.rr.com) 22.55.35 # maze! yay! 22.56.48 # rockbox cries for this though, http://www.digger.org/ 22.59.50 Join Terinjokes [0] (n=terin@wikinews/Terinjokes) 22.59.58 # yay! rockboy! 23.01.11 # petur: OK, I made the replacement. Marketing ain't my thing anyway... ;-) 23.01.48 # is everyone having good response with the new USB thing? Personally my nano just continues to boot into USB Mode 23.02.09 # Llorean: The maze solver will be added soon 23.02.25 # mattzz: I would watch out for spelling Bagders nick like that :p 23.02.39 Quit lini (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.02.45 Join lini [0] (i=pugsley@62.204.144.237) 23.03.12 # petur: Aaaargh. 23.03.37 # Terinjokes: When does it reboot into disk mode? 23.03.53 # linuxstb: when i plug in the wall-jack 23.04.17 Quit _FireFly_ ("Kopete 0.12.3 : http://kopete.kde.org") 23.04.23 # Do you have any other patches applied? 23.04.30 # Terinjokes: And what brand is your wall jack? 23.04.35 # Apple 23.04.47 # linuxstb: nope (never got around to it...) 23.05.07 # So you run an official (i.e. unmodified) build? 23.05.15 # linuxstb: yep 23.05.35 # What SVN version does it say it is? 23.06.21 # r12236-070208 23.06.44 # * Terinjokes suggest that 'version' not change to 'credits' after a while... 23.07.25 # bleh desu 23.09.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.10.24 Quit Terinjokes (Remote closed the connection) 23.15.14 Join mssucks [0] (i=ruithegi@CPE0016764dab86-CM001692fb6310.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 23.15.52 Part mssucks 23.16.42 # * petur wonders how long rockboxdev.sh takes under linux when building all 23.18.42 Part perl|work 23.18.53 # about three times longer than a single ;-) 23.19.21 # and probably a bit longer here because of VirtualBox 23.19.39 # true 23.19.52 # but it runs quite snappy 23.23.17 Join printfXh4 [0] (n=pseudo@62.215.85.167) 23.25.37 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@88.218.17.202) 23.27.30 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.214.169) 23.30.50 Quit fasmaie (Remote closed the connection) 23.31.24 Join lukaswayne9 [0] (n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 23.34.09 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.35.28 Quit Thundercloud__ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 23.35.33 Join Thundercloud__ [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.207.177) 23.35.51 Join fasmaie [0] (n=yohann@cpe-65-24-165-152.columbus.res.rr.com) 23.37.00 Quit petur ("Zzzzz") 23.37.07 Quit OgMaciel ("Ex-Chat") 23.37.17 Quit matsl (Remote closed the connection) 23.41.19 # Bagder: I believe that rockboxdev.sh was how the VMWare image was created. Running it again, would it just overwrite with newer versions or is some measure needed to remove the old ones first? 23.41.39 # Err, not 'created' so much as 'set up' 23.41.41 # no, it'll overwrite the existing 23.49.50 # Bagder: rockboxdev.sh fails on the debian image. 23.50.43 Quit thegeek (Remote closed the connection) 23.52.48 Join rotator [0] (n=e@rockbox/developer/rotator) 23.52.53 Quit fasmaie (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 23.54.04 # I think it was just a lack of bzip2 though 23.55.07 Join [shodan] [0] (n=shodan@ip044.96-113-216.pppoe1.joliette.intermonde.net) 23.58.03 Quit Thundercloud_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))