--- Log for 13.02.107 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 11 days and 18 hours ago 00.00.13 Join Abcminiuser [0] (n=DPC@ppp36FB.dsl.pacific.net.au) 00.02.07 # it works :) 00.02.22 Quit bluebrother ("time for sleep") 00.04.07 # markun: i hadn't had a look at how the wps is made but it looks a bit strange to me 00.04.44 Quit entheh ("^~") 00.05.53 # Nico_P: I will fix it, just need some time. Until now it was just copy paste :) 00.06.52 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 00.07.00 # markun: what i find weird is the pg-220 bitmap 00.07.21 # why does it need to be this big with all this pink ? 00.07.36 # it makes the cuesheet markers ugly 00.08.19 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 00.09.01 # Nico_P: that was what I was trying to ask (why are some of the pg- bitmaps taller than the pgln- bitmaps?) 00.09.46 # markun: well it might be worth trying to trim them down a bit :) 00.12.15 Join ricardo [0] (i=bd8766dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-70bf2b203a372b95) 00.12.25 # hi 00.12.25 Part ildella 00.13.40 # my ipod died 00.13.44 # Nico_P: I guess the the gap between the status bar and the text will not look so good 00.13.49 # ricardo: that sucks 00.14.03 # ricardo: do you think you can still repair or are you looking for another player? 00.14.23 # markun: you're saying it's like that for alignment reasons ? 00.14.27 Part n1s 00.14.32 # I think so 00.14.50 # * Nico_P whispers "y-coord"... 00.15.11 # * markun wispers viewports back 00.15.29 # * Mikachu mumbles "millenium hand and shrimp" 00.15.38 # viewports are a different matter 00.15.42 # no 00.16.00 # why would they be? 00.16.07 # even LinusN agreed we could add a few cosmetic patches whilst waiting for viewports 00.16.28 # from what i understood they are more of a split screen feature 00.16.32 # I think we should just push amiconn hard enough so he does it :) 00.16.43 # hi amiconn ;) 00.16.57 Quit Psilonaut ("Gone trippin") 00.17.49 # how would viewports change this particular problem ? by having a viewport just for the progressbar ? 00.18.08 # Nico_P: what will happen if the y-coord for the pb is lower than the text that came before it and after the pb is more text? 00.18.54 # Nico_P: no, only a viewport for the text in the center and above the progressbar I would think 00.19.00 # so 3 00.19.11 # s/only/also/ 00.19.26 # markun: i've never tried that... in fact it isn't my patch, i just rewrote it in a simpler way 00.19.44 # i suppose it's up to the WPS creator 00.20.05 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-238-126.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 00.21.33 # my ipod doesn't turn on anymore 00.22.48 Quit ender` (" printk("autofs: Out of inode numbers -- what the heck did you do??\n"); -- /usr/src/linux/fs/autofs/root.c") 00.23.54 # ricardo: Usually this simply means that it needs charging and/or the reset trick 00.23.54 Quit ricardo ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.29.37 # * Mikachu wonders how many perfectly fine ipods are thrown away every day 00.29.49 # many 00.30.09 # but so are many other perfectly fine things 00.30.28 # too many idiots in this world 00.30.33 # :) 00.32.30 Quit funky ("leaving") 00.32.49 Join toed [0] (n=toad@gob75-5-82-231-180-120.fbx.proxad.net) 00.33.23 # just wondering if there's a rockbox plugin that allows one to play go (the boardgame) or to work on go problems 00.33.25 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.33.27 # (it's hard to search for go) 00.33.36 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 00.34.27 Join alkaline [0] (n=chatzill@pool-72-88-255-122.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) 00.35.15 # toed: I don't believe so, no. 00.35.22 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 00.35.31 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 00.35.39 # ah, that's a real shame 00.35.56 # feel free to contribute ;) 00.36.11 Quit mirak (Remote closed the connection) 00.36.14 # I'd certainly be interested in seeing someone make one. ;) 00.36.27 # toed: are there any good GPL go engines? 00.36.47 # yeah, there's gnugo 00.36.55 # is it any good? 00.37.02 # It's not bad. 00.37.05 # Hey all i have a little prob with a ipod nano it won't start, but once plugged into a computer all it does is restart and restart, i tried the hold switch and menu and select trick but alas no good 00.37.07 # it's quite good, I think it's rated around 15k 00.37.26 # Isn't 7k assumed to be about the limit of computers anyway? 00.37.34 # I think so 00.37.51 # alkaline: Select+Play for disk mode. 00.38.09 # but AI isn't even necessary, if you had something that lets you play around on the board (thus allowing you to do problems) that would be wonderful as well 00.38.10 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.38.14 # I'd contribute if I could 00.38.35 # Llorean: use the hold switch as well? and should it be connected to computer for disk mode? 00.39.14 # alkaline: No hold switch, force a reboot with Menu+Select (or while plugged into a computer) then hold Play+Select early on in the Apple logo 00.39.40 Join safetydan [0] (i=cbca159f@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 00.43.33 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B97C2E.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.45.35 # I can't go to page 2 of my watched tasks in fs. 00.46.14 # solution: stop watching so many tasks 00.46.25 # barrywardell: Resets to all tasks? 00.46.31 # yes 00.46.34 Quit Abcminiuser ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 00.46.40 Quit busa_blade ("Leaving") 00.46.46 # Same here 00.46.49 # i can manually add tasks=watched to the url, but that's kinda annoying 00.46.57 # I've never used the watched tasks feature before. 00.47.05 # well, &tasks=watched 00.47.28 # Seems like the usb cable is shot, the disk mode launches, and sometimes rockbox loads but than it fails. and restarts i dont think it's giving the charge or it's cut 00.47.47 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 00.48.17 # Rockbox shouldn't launch if you're in disk mode... 00.49.23 # i try disk mode the bottom displays ok to disconnect, a check than switches to a no battery charge 00.49.25 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 00.50.33 # no battery charge 00.50.37 # at all 00.50.44 # but it keeps restarting 00.50.45 # So it won't charge in disk mode? 00.50.50 # nope 00.51.17 # That suggests a hardware problem of some sort, yes. 00.51.23 # signs change from a check, no battery, cross, than check, 00.51.25 # Either the cable, or one of the ports 00.52.13 # Probably, I just am lucky it isnt mine lol 00.52.20 Quit printfXh4 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.52.33 Part toed 00.53.11 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 00.54.04 # alright now a huge battery is on screen i'll assume it's probably charging 00.54.14 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 00.55.08 Join Supachikn_ [0] (n=Supachik@c220-239-145-155.eburwd1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 00.56.15 # well thanks Llorean for the help, I now know what to do once it does get a charge 00.56.36 Quit matsl (Remote closed the connection) 00.56.37 # alkaline: Good luck 00.56.46 # thanks 00.57.12 Quit alkaline ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/0000000000]") 01.05.29 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 01.06.21 Join printfXh4 [0] (n=pseudo@62.215.85.167) 01.06.35 Join webguest75 [0] (i=478b1325@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-461aa11e4d585c88) 01.06.42 Quit obo ("bye") 01.07.03 Quit webguest75 (Client Quit) 01.07.07 # anyone know how to checkout svn at a certain revision? 01.07.08 Join webguest75 [0] (i=478b1325@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4c2b0df7fafc3c09) 01.07.36 Quit webguest75 (Client Quit) 01.10.45 Quit Supachikn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.10.53 Nick Brunellus__ is now known as Brunellus (n=luigi@ip68-100-19-194.dc.dc.cox.net) 01.10.53 # JdGordon: svn update -r 1234 01.11.09 # checkout probably accepts the same switch 01.11.26 # cheers 01.11.33 # google said --revision 01.11.39 # Or (I think, reading the docs) svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk/@rev 01.12.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.12.19 # "svn help co" 01.13.07 # bah, i was trying svn co help and getting errors 01.13.13 Join MonkeyTamer [0] (n=chatzill@pcp009946pcs.santa-lucia.reshall.calpoly.edu) 01.13.35 # I always do that first... 01.14.04 # or if you use zsh you can just tabcomplete everything :) 01.16.07 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 01.16.38 # amiconn: I just checked out the revision before the menu code started going in, and we are only 1600 bytes above the rec build size it was then... and going by last nights commit, that should be easily got by the time im done :) 01.18.55 # And I think the lang cleanup savings around around 2000 bytes on the recorder. So we should be well under. 01.19.26 # * linuxstb goes to flyspray to look for pointless new features :) 01.19.54 # Hehehe 01.20.01 # The recent plugin patch is 'pointless' 01.20.22 # It's only on H100 anyway, though. Heh 01.20.44 # I would guess that most people only use about 5% of Rockbox anyway... Problem is that it's not the same 5%. 01.20.55 # Llorean: are yoou talking about the one so you can shot and move in invadrox? 01.21.13 # JdGordon: No, the one that makes the SPDIF output flash in time with the VU Meter. 01.21.44 # hahaha 01.21.47 # awesome :D 01.21.52 # * linuxstb misread the VU meter task as a bug... :) 01.22.16 Quit midgey () 01.22.27 # im fixing keywords now... anyone know any files that dont expand $Id$ anymore? 01.22.36 # apart from the files ive added recently 01.22.50 # linuxstb: If it were a feature request, I would've just rejected it I think. As it stands now, I wish there was a reason for closing 'silly' 01.23.05 Join webguest37 [0] (i=ce74ba60@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7c23236bff28393a) 01.23.08 # Plugins are the place for pointless features though. 01.23.32 # Yeah, I guess it doesn't really hurt anything 01.24.10 # But I guarantee, were that to get committed, someone would bring up "But you added so and so, why can't you add this?" and it'd have to be explained once more that plugins are 'free' 01.24.21 Nick webguest37 is now known as yun (i=ce74ba60@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7c23236bff28393a) 01.25.10 Join toed [0] (n=toad@gob75-5-82-231-180-120.fbx.proxad.net) 01.25.54 # I personally just find it amazing Rockbox is as small as it is 01.26.08 # its not as small as it should be... 01.26.14 # which is casuing problems :p 01.26.26 # seems to be the case as I'm discovering 01.26.34 # for certain platforms? 01.26.35 # is it possible to play or port ipodlinux games to rockbox? specifically, I'm looking at http://www.ipodlinux.org/Special:Module/igo 01.27.23 # toed, it's possible. Someone just has to step up and do it. 01.27.37 # it's not much easier than porting something else to rockbox 01.27.40 # toed: You can port them, which will basically mean adapting to use the Rockbox plugin API instead of the Linux/POSIX API. But the Rockbox plugin API attempts to follow POSIX. 01.28.16 Quit petur ("Zzzzz") 01.28.38 # I see, I imagine it's not a trivial thing to do though? 01.29.17 # its pretty trivial 01.29.23 # toed, depending on your level skill with programming, it may or may not be. 01.29.24 # Not trivial, but not that hard once you understand how Rockbox works. 01.29.26 # the worst part is any drawing code 01.29.40 # oh, I guess I'd have to port gnugo as well 01.29.47 # it's trivial when you know how :) 01.30.27 Part barrywardell 01.30.27 # a math prof once spent 5 minutes in a lecture explaining why something was trivial 01.30.54 # that's one of my math professor's favorite words... 01.31.32 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 01.31.41 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 01.31.42 # haha, I got something like that today; after a 20 minute proof the guy says the argument is elementary assuming measure theory 01.33.49 Quit yun ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.34.35 # nice, ipodpatcher saves me from typing the 2 associated with the ipod drive 01.35.02 # happy days are here again 01.35.32 # but at a cost... what of the the need to make things smaller? 01.37.15 Join courtc [0] (n=court@c-71-199-169-45.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 01.38.53 # yay, happy days for me; an evident freezing bug in some earlier versions is no longer afflicting me 01.38.56 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 01.39.02 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 01.40.51 # MonkeyTamer: Which iPod? 01.41.27 # ipod color 01.41.52 # versions 70-80something were freeezing the ipod 01.42.09 # with kop and without, but not anymore 01.42.29 # I think that's just luck - some builds seem to (without obvious reason) work better than others. 01.42.43 # Well they shouldn't have been freezing _with_ KoC though 01.43.07 # that's what was strange, but that was only for 1 day's worth of builds 01.43.34 # Llorean: AFAIK, KoC doesn't completely fix the freezing. 01.44.09 # Although possibly it's related to gcc version - the build server has just been upgraded to 4.0.3... 01.44.24 # my personal experience is for my ipod color, I've had zero freezes with kop with the exception of yesterday; the only exception is when I applied w1ll1am's patch to test it 01.44.57 # but that of course is completely unrelated to kop 01.45.03 # *koc 01.45.25 Quit [toffe] ("MegaIRC v3.27 http://ironfist.at.tut.by") 01.47.35 Quit wooo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.47.39 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.48.05 # linuxstb: Ah, I'd heard the freezes had stopped with KoC6/8 01.48.16 Quit |Rincewind| ("Cya") 01.49.59 # any new work on the recording issue with KoC yet? or the weird noise? 01.50.19 # Weird noise? 01.50.51 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B97E53.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.51.47 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 01.51.57 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 01.53.15 Quit MonkeyTamer ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]") 01.53.48 # BiptoN: Weird noise? 01.55.39 # * Llorean sighs. 01.58.57 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 01.59.00 # recording with the ipod 01.59.27 # there is a weird noise that comes through on one channel on the 5.5g an dalot more noise on the 4g 01.59.59 # Is there a bug report on this? 02.00.09 # i dunno 02.00.18 # i outta submit one 02.00.43 # If there's not already one, then yes. 02.00.56 # Document how to reproduce it, and maybe include a sample or two. 02.01.11 # ok 02.01.14 # i can do that 02.01.27 Part TrueJournals 02.01.51 # ipod recording shouldn't really be called anything more than experimental at the moment... 02.02.18 # that's why i haven't submitted a bug report 02.02.22 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.02.29 # i know you and barry were just gettin it started 02.05.25 Part pixelma 02.15.53 Join Jsunu [0] (n=Jsunu@d154-20-129-186.bchsia.telus.net) 02.22.57 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 02.23.06 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 02.28.17 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.29.43 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 02.30.46 Join bonbonthejon [0] (n=jon@69.61.203.3) 02.37.05 Join [toffe] [0] (n=[toffe]@70.135.33.67) 02.37.41 # * Llorean thinks SPC should be committed just so it doesn't need resyncing daily. :-P 02.38.51 # midkay: What compiling problem were you having with VMWare? 02.39.02 # Llorean: you're on the ball today. :) 02.39.16 # Well, that task was on my watch list. 02.39.17 # i can't remember what it said.. some odd error, let me restart it. 02.39.35 # Were you compiling an ARM target? 02.39.38 # i searched around to see if anybody had any siilar problem, couldn't find anything like it. 02.39.39 # yes. 02.39.49 # Is your arm-elf-gcc 4.0.2 or 4.0.3? 02.39.57 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B97E53.dip.t-dialin.net) 02.40.04 # 4.0.2. 02.40.11 # Ah 02.40.12 # i did look at the build log - everybody's running 4.0.3 now. 02.40.16 # Yup 02.40.19 # It's required now 02.40.25 # But the new vmware image has it. 02.40.28 # but i didn't see any commit messages that introduced a requirement for it.. 02.40.39 # Or you can jump through a couple really minor hoops to install it on your older one 02.41.00 # Well, if I recall, we didn't realize the commit required 4.0.3 (because many/most servers had it anyway) until after it went in. 02.41.20 # remember which one it was? 02.41.30 # Sorry 02.42.05 # no prob, just curious.. thanks for pointing it out. (i did check the vmware page when i got the error, too. it hadn't yet been updated..) 02.42.12 # i think it was jdgordon's initial menu commit 02.42.40 # 4.0.1 builds fine here on my mac 02.42.56 # So it's just 4.0.2 that doesn't work? 02.43.10 # i believe so, well at least i have no problems 02.44.40 # I do remember some mention of it being a bug in 4.0.2, but I wasn't sure if that was the same thing 02.45.44 # * safetydan is all for comitting partially working codecs :) 02.46.08 # The public embarassment of having it not work is even more motivation to fix it 02.49.06 # It's not even 'partially working' in my experience. 02.49.33 # It 'works fine except with unreliable metadata' I would say. Which is kinda the state of AAC anyway, except I think this works better than it. :-P 02.49.44 # ha 02.49.54 Join brenton_ [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-70-235-147-155.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) 02.50.04 Part brenton_ 02.50.07 # Well I'm redoing speex.c to use Tremor's ogg parser so hopefully that will fix a few things. 02.50.07 # Though I understand it could use a good deal of optimizing still 02.50.23 # i thought it wasnt fullspeed on quite a number of songs? 02.51.02 # midgey: Neither is AAC though, on most targets. 02.51.12 # true enough 02.51.38 # I think SPC's at the point where putting it in SVN means less time ever spent simply resyncing it. 02.52.14 # safetydan: I still haven't managed to reproduce the pops on any but that one file. 02.52.18 # It really irritates me. 02.53.20 # Can speex files be cut easily? Anyone know? 02.53.42 # Well they're just ogg streams, so if you can find an ogg cutting tool 02.54.10 # I was thinking of cutting around one of the noises and attaching it to the patch if the cut file still showed the symptom. 02.54.15 # err to the tracker entry 02.55.02 # * midgey rocks out to Turtles in Time 02.55.16 # spc is working a lot nicer than the last time I tried it 02.55.41 # I've been using it a lot, though on a gigabeat where performance isn't really able to be judged. 02.55.52 # Llorean, That'd be good actually. Though have you tried playing it in the sim? There's some debug code in there that might be printing out errors if there's something up with the stream. 02.56.17 # on linux you can use ogmtools (http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/ogmtools/) to split/merge Ogg streams 02.56.24 # safetydan: I haven't tried it with the sim. I can't get audio to work in debian, and haven't got the tools to cross compile for windows set up. 03.08.09 # ah well, if we can just get a stream snippet that reproduces the issue that'll be enough 03.08.31 # Well, next time Rasher's sims update I'll use one of those and try it. 03.11.55 Quit bonbonthejon (Remote closed the connection) 03.12.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.13.52 Quit lukaswayne9 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.16.47 Join lukaswayne9 [0] (n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 03.19.41 Join bonbonthejon [0] (n=jon@69.61.203.3) 03.22.27 Join twisted` [0] (i=hemerte@xs6.xs4all.nl) 03.24.18 # ey, question, is it absoletely impossible to get rockbox on a iPod that's HFS+ formatted? 03.24.58 # well... you can install the bootloader... but thats it 03.25.53 # twisted`: Is there some terribly compelling reason not to convert it? 03.28.34 # Llorean: yeah, no windows machine :) 03.28.54 # and fat32 sucks since I have files bigger then 4gb on my iPod stored sometimes too 03.29.51 Quit CriamosAndy ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 03.31.25 # twisted`: Converting it doesn't require a windows machine. 03.31.40 # But if you don't want to convert your iPod, you'll have to convert Rockbox, or live without it. 03.32.45 Join nickv111 [0] (n=nick@c-75-70-18-52.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 03.34.10 # Hey guys. I'm having trouble with Rockbox on my 3g iPod. While I can play music and all, every few seconds, it stops playing, and then resumes 03.34.14 # It's a little choppy 03.34.33 # Yes, the 3G iPod has some performance issues inherent in the hardware design. 03.34.40 # We haven't found a good way to solve that problem yet. 03.34.45 # I see. 03.35.07 # Is that also the reason for the bad scroll wheel response? 03.35.17 # Somewhat, yes. 03.38.43 # Overall, I'm pretty happy with Rockbox, though. I may get another iPod for running it. Any plans on getting the Nano 2g working? Last I checked, nobody was really dedicated to it. Same story now? 03.39.46 # Nobody has one. 03.39.53 # I see. 03.39.56 # It's also a fairly large amount of work. 03.40.04 # What needs to be done? 03.40.29 # Figure out how to decrypt the firmware, figure out how to load our own firmware, write drivers for a large number of new undocumented pieces of hardware... 03.40.31 # Basically, everything 03.40.35 # It's a whole new port, from scratch 03.40.39 # Wow. 03.40.58 # If I had a Nano, I'd offer to help 03.41.05 # But, then again, I don't. 03.41.41 # * nickv111 ponders what he could do to help 03.42.01 # Really it needs probably several very dedicated people with the hardware. 03.42.21 # I know of one person with a 2g Nano, but I doubt he'd be willing to mess with it too much 03.42.21 # If you want a modern flash based player for Rockbox, wait until the Sansa e200 has audio, probably 03.43.12 # Can the 3g nano play smoothly without the peak meters? 03.43.24 # safetydan: I think _sometimes_ 03.44.28 # So what's usually the process to start a new port? 03.44.32 # I mean, I wouldn't even know where to start 03.44.55 # Crack open the case and see what kind of components it has? 03.45.10 # Look up specifications? 03.45.16 # I'm just seeing where I'd even begin. 03.46.39 # Well, the first two things that need to be done (really in either order) is figure out exactly what all the hardware is in it, and gather datasheets for any that's documented, and figure out how to load your own firmware onto the device (what is necessary, are the files encrypted/signed, etc) 03.47.19 # To load your own firmware onto the device. . . Isn't that just overwriting your boot partition? 03.49.30 # That just puts your firmware in place. 03.49.51 # But for example on the 2nd generation Nano, the bootloader expects the firmware to be encrypted in a certain way 03.50.18 # So, we need to either figure out how to encrypt our firmware in the right way for the bootloader to load it, or figure out if there's a way like on the Sansas for us to tell it to expect an unencrypted file 03.51.03 # Hmm. . . 03.52.09 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 03.55.58 # Hey, I'm working on calculator.c. If I make any improvements, to whom to I give them so they can be committed? 03.56.27 # to whom do* 03.58.02 # FlySpray... the patch tracker 03.58.04 # You post a patch to the patch tracker 03.58.08 # Okay. 03.58.22 # Thanks for the help 03.58.25 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.00.00 # BRB 04.02.11 Join maeck [0] (n=marcel@h-67-100-139-10.dnvtco56.covad.net) 04.03.18 # Llorean: so Rockbox doesn't support it? cause I couldn't really figure out what the cause of it is anyways... 04.09.31 # twisted`: I don't know what you're asking. 04.09.41 # Do you mean "HFS+" by "it"? 04.11.29 Join scubacoles [0] (n=scoles@eth4699.sa.adsl.internode.on.net) 04.13.05 # Is there a reason why the .rockbox folder is built as a hidden file? 04.13.49 # scubacoles: some operating systems hide folders with their first character being a . 04.13.50 # So it doesn't show up as clutter during normal browsing, and so it's less likely to accidentally be modified on the device? 04.14.25 # What Llorean said... :-p 04.15.03 # Generally speaking, a user shouldn't be browsing into it during normal use. 04.18.23 # My annoyance with it is more due to MacOS Finder's insistence on overwriting the entire folder in an upgrade rather than just overwriting each component within the folder. 04.19.04 # What's the difference? 04.19.10 # Does it delete files that aren't present in the new one, or something? 04.19.29 # I have to view Hidden Folders and manuall drag across all but the wps, themes and config folders, otherwise I lose all data in those folders... 04.19.35 # manually 04.19.57 # finder likes to delete the whole folder and then add the new one 04.20.01 # its quite annoying 04.20.02 # One thing that Windows Explorer does much better 04.20.31 # Being unhidden would fix that for some reason? 04.20.39 # nope 04.20.45 # and to view hidden folders, you need a 3rd party app 04.20.54 # command line works the best here 04.21.09 # without viewing hidden folders you can't browse to .rockbox 04.21.52 # you can do "go to folder" in finder 04.21.59 # yeah command line would work fine, but I'm very much a command line novice... 04.22.05 # its just not convenient 04.23.14 # I'll try the "go to folder" method on my next update. 04.23.39 Part TrueJournals 04.23.39 # You could also just extract directly to the device, couldn't you? 04.23.44 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 04.24.32 # Extracting to the device empties the wps, themes and config folders 04.25.00 # That's a horrible... well... whatever does that. 04.25.25 # well using Stuffit to extract does anyway, I haven't tried any other archive utilities (if they exist) 04.25.56 # maybe .rockbox could not include those folders?? 04.26.16 # Hey, I just wanted to let everyone know about my GUI program to encode videos for rockbox. Check it out at http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=51189 04.26.22 # .rockbox doesn't have a config folder. 04.26.23 # (Just updated it...) 04.26.35 # As for themes and wpses, how would you suggest we go about distributing the default ones? 04.26.42 # scubacoles: honestly your best bet is terminal (command line) 04.26.56 # It seems that Rockbox shouldn't be blamed for bad tools. :-P 04.27.08 # lets say rockbox.zip is your build and your device is at /Volumes/H300 04.27.13 # the command is 04.27.24 # unzip rockbox.zip -d /Volumes/H300 04.27.40 # Trying to talk a world of Windows (and *nix) users to cater for a flaw in Finder isn't going to work is it!!! 04.28.00 # Why not try to talk Apple into fixing the flaw? 04.28.05 # * midgey dislikes finder 04.28.06 # midgey: Thanks 04.28.12 Join tanq_ [0] (n=tanq@24-178-205-79.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) 04.28.43 # Llorean: I wouldn't be the first, Finder is the worst thing about MacOS 04.29.57 # config folder = backgrounds folder.... I knew there was a 3rd folder, just couldn;t remember what it was 04.33.20 # Llorean: well, why Rockbox cannot be installed and used on HFS+ :) 04.33.29 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.33.35 Join busa_blade [0] (n=busa_bla@pool-72-66-2-215.washdc.fios.verizon.net) 04.34.32 # twisted`: Because there's no support for reading an HFS+ filesystem. 04.34.53 Part TrueJournals 04.36.18 # Llorean, it's not really a flaw. It's always been like that on Apple OS's 04.36.25 # anyone have a f40 gigabeat? 04.36.52 # safetydan: It seems silly, at least 04.36.53 # busa_blade: Yes. 04.37.01 # * twisted` cries 04.37.29 # If you think about it makes sense. It basically treats directories like files and allows you to overwrite them. Though this particular feature is a source of major holy wars between the Windows way and the Mac way. 04.37.38 # Llorean: what OS did you install rockbox from? 04.37.43 # twisted`: Convert your iPod, keep a large secondary HFS+ partition for your giant files. 04.38.22 # safetydan: It seems to me the simplest solution would be "Do you wish to overwrite the whole folder, merge contents giving the new folder priority, or cancel?" 04.38.24 # I'd also support having user configurable stuff outside of .rockbox. You should be able to blow away and restore .rockbox without affecting your settings. 04.38.26 # busa_blade: Windows. 04.38.32 # that would defeat the purpose of having space available on my iPod :) 04.38.48 # Llorean, that's been argued before. The Mac faithful like it as it is :) 04.39.12 # darn 04.39.22 Quit tanq (Connection timed out) 04.39.24 # safetydan: No option to preserve the files? 04.41.27 # Llorean, nope. Part of the reason is that when you install applications on OS X, you just drag the application folder where you want it. If you merged the contents of the old and the new, you'd end up with a broken app. 04.41.44 Join MonkeyTamer [0] (n=chatzill@pcp009946pcs.santa-lucia.reshall.calpoly.edu) 04.42.11 # http://www.xvsxp.com/files/copying.php 04.42.23 # * safetydan gets back on topic 04.43.07 # safetydan: Honestly, it seems to make more sense to require a manual delete first than to require a much more tedious manual merge, but I come from a windows background so while I'm biased in favour of 'less work' I may not see it properly 04.46.27 # It is less work for that one scenario, since it saves you from having to delete the folder first. If you actually want to merge the contents, then you're on your own in the Mac world. 04.47.00 # Is deleting a folder on mac as simple as clicking it, hitting a key, and choosing "Yes"? 04.48.00 # Llorean, I would assume so. Though I imagine most people would drag the folder to the trash rather than use the keyboard. 04.48.04 # mac people that is 04.48.20 # Hey, when a plugin does something like, "#include "math.h"", is that relative to firmware/include? 04.49.23 # nickv111, it's relative to a few places. I forget the exact order, but current directory is one of them, along with firmware/include 04.49.33 # Okay. Thanks 04.49.47 # Well, calculator.c seems to define a few constants that are already defined in math.h. . . 04.50.55 # With more or less precision? 04.51.01 # Same. 04.51.13 # Odd 04.51.35 # I also defined LN10 until I realized that there was M_LN10 04.51.41 Quit MonkeyTamer ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]") 04.51.42 # And PI is redundant because there's M_PI 04.53.25 # nickv111, you can always try including math.h and find out 04.53.40 # #include "math.h" is already there 04.53.58 # So whoever coded this defined PI and such, instead of using math.h's constants 04.54.34 # Is calculator older than those defines in math.h? 04.54.47 # Maybe. Whatever is the case, I'm fixing it 04.54.53 # I'm also coding in logs and such 04.55.02 # * safetydan is slightly dismayed to see that there's a cordic function in calculator.c 04.55.15 # If I'd seen that I could have saved myself some googling 04.55.16 # oh well 04.55.33 # I don't quite understand the CORDIC function 04.55.45 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B96DC4.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.55.54 # Why do they have a table of y=2^-x and y=atan(2^-x)? 04.55.59 # nickv111, the calculator plugin hasn't had any calcuation related changes for nearly 2.5 years, so it's probably just bitrot resulting in PI being used instead of M_PI 04.56.16 # I _kind of_ understand CORDIC 04.56.24 # Not well, though, because my trig skills are seriously lacking 04.56.29 # I haven't even gotten to trig in school yet :-\ 04.56.49 # nickv111, http://www.dspguru.com/info/faqs/cordic.htm 04.59.24 # Hmm. I understand a bit 04.59.43 # Good thing is, I understand stuff about complex phases 05.00.04 # When it says j, it means the imaginary unit, right? 05.00.08 # Actually, Wikipedia's article is pretty good http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CORDIC 05.00.14 # I'm used to it being i. 05.00.25 # yeah j tends to get used in engineering circles instead of i for the complex part 05.01.41 # If you want to expand to other mathematical functions, cordic is a good base http://www.voidware.com/cordic.htm 05.02.12 # * safetydan goes back to his real work 05.10.11 Join Xerion_ [0] (i=xerion@zarathul.student.utwente.nl) 05.10.41 # Wow, I don't unerstand CORDIC much at all. 05.11.07 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.11.07 Nick Xerion_ is now known as Xerion (i=xerion@zarathul.student.utwente.nl) 05.12.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.12.46 # First of all, why is the rotation matrix what it is? 05.13.09 # (because if it wasn't it'd be something else) 05.14.56 # No, what I mean is, how do you derive the rotation matrix? 05.15.03 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.19.46 Quit bun-bun () 05.26.27 Join bun-bun [0] (n=bun@71-92-214-26.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) 05.30.27 # nickv111, maybe the original paper will help http://www.jacques-laporte.org/Volder_CORDIC.pdf 05.32.44 # * safetydan doesn't really understand cordic that well but managed to get something running that works well enough for the equalizer coefficient generator in Rockbox 05.34.19 Quit BiptoN ("Leaving") 05.34.59 Quit dpassen1 () 05.35.28 Join dpassen1 [0] (n=dpassen1@resnet-236-163.resnet.UMBC.EDU) 05.35.38 Part Llorean 05.37.33 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 05.39.25 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.39.43 Join Xerion [0] (i=xerion@zarathul.student.utwente.nl) 05.44.25 Join markun_ [0] (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 05.44.57 Quit scubacoles ("Leaving") 05.47.03 Join JerryLange [0] (n=chatzill@ppp139.hk.centurytel.net) 05.51.44 Quit nickv111 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.52.36 Join nickv111 [0] (n=nick@c-75-70-18-52.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 05.53.00 # I think I'm starting to understand the CORDIC FAQ. Basically, to rotate by i is to rotate counterclockwise on the complex plane by 90 degrees, right? 05.59.17 Join arex [0] (n=arexbear@653236hfc108.tampabay.res.rr.com) 05.59.40 # * arex waves 05.59.49 # i need to know someting real quick 06.00.32 # im new to this rockbox firmware, and i need to know where i put the music on the mp3 player.. 06.00.56 # dose it just go in a new folder named Music ?? 06.03.36 # with the rockbox firmware you can put the music anywhere you want 06.04.27 # so it dosent have to be in its own folder ? 06.05.33 # nope only if you want it to. its your choice. 06.05.56 # oh, alright 06.06.00 # Thanks.. 06.06.37 # * arex pats JerryLange on the back 06.06.43 Part arex 06.07.36 Quit markun (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.10.51 Quit nickv111 (Connection timed out) 06.18.30 Join BjoernErik [0] (n=unknown@250.80-202-105.nextgentel.com) 06.25.16 Quit Xerion (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 06.25.18 Join Xerion_ [0] (i=xerion@zarathul.student.utwente.nl) 06.25.32 Nick Xerion_ is now known as Xerion (i=xerion@zarathul.student.utwente.nl) 06.26.16 Quit markun_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 06.27.23 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@rockbox/administrator/Llorean) 06.30.18 Join markun [0] (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 06.30.33 Quit Bjoern-Erik (Connection timed out) 06.31.31 Part safetydan 06.40.38 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B96587.dip.t-dialin.net) 06.46.08 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.04.41 Quit maeck ("Ex-Chat") 07.04.52 Quit thegeek () 07.05.21 Join combrains [0] (n=combrain@125-237-208-105.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) 07.05.41 # woohoo :) another 200bytes off the rec build 07.06.31 # who was it that got gb cradle USB support? 07.06.33 # 1200bytes above where we were before the menu code started going in 07.06.41 # markun probably 07.06.54 # not by the rb front page 07.07.06 # i wanna shake their hand 07.07.44 # kkjurbun i believe 07.08.37 # :'( the system menu is a big one... 07.09.18 # hmm... looks like its time for me to CVS up again - havnt bothered for about 2 weeks 07.09.59 # cvs up wont do very much 07.10.06 # we have been on svn for over a month now 07.10.10 # doh SVN 07.10.17 # my badf 07.10.35 # :) 07.12.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.12.37 # hmm, trying to decide what to do with the SPC codec 07.13.01 # do I try to be done with it before initial commit? 07.13.02 # hcs: Well, it's in need of syncing right now, isn't it? 07.13.08 # :-P 07.13.23 # finding out, I'm svn'ing 07.13.35 # small changes, 10 sec fix 07.13.36 # It's id3.h again, if I recall. When they moved speex. 07.13.41 # dag nabbit 07.13.47 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 07.14.02 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.14.32 # Can you do anything about it reporting everything as 'Blues'? Maybe even just "Unknown" for the time being? That's the only thing obvious to me that doesn't sit well. 07.14.49 # From a user perspective, that is 07.14.52 # ok, when I sync it I'll throw something in 07.15.06 # oh and are all spc supposed to be 3:05 in length? 07.15.21 # midgey: That's bad tagging 07.15.37 # They have to be tagged with a proper length, or they default to that. 07.15.46 # Or so I've been led to understand 07.15.50 # true 07.15.52 # hmm can't say i've used spc before this 07.16.07 # snesmusic.org is recommended for properly tagged spcs 07.16.13 # I've had no problems with the ones I got from the site hcs just recommended. 07.16.24 # ah, i think i got mine from zophar 07.16.34 # Yeah, the Zophar ones were fairly unreliable for me 07.17.03 # snesmusic is more like HVSC in their attention to detail and completeness 07.17.45 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B96587.dip.t-dialin.net) 07.18.31 # how about the code layout I have now, with the main driver in spc.c and most of the emulation stuff in spc/ ? 07.18.37 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s026b.studby.ntnu.no) 07.19.29 # hmm so rsn is just a renamed zip? 07.19.41 # renamed rar 07.19.57 # ah makes sense 07.20.01 # Does windows have a way to change the extension on a bunch of files easily? 07.20.07 # I ended up just using the command prompt. 07.20.25 # well, yeah, and it's easy to with with the command prompt 07.20.35 # tougher in, say, bash 07.20.45 # ren *.rsn *.rar 07.21.08 # hcs: if it turns out that it really needs to have globals for coldfire, it will need a header with the shared declarations outside of spc.c to compile 07.21.10 # windows explorer has a lot of confidence in the extensions 07.21.12 # But I realized I don't know a point and click way to accomplish the same thing. It seems like the kinda thing I'd have had to have talked someone through by now, but I haven't. 07.21.46 # jhMikeS: well at the moment everything is just directly #include'd into spc.c 07.22.32 # hcs: it needs it even then. you don't think spc_dsp.c and spc_cpu.c would be better to have? 07.23.08 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 07.23.11 # jhMikeS: yes, blargg named the files that way "so no one would try to compile them by themselves" 07.23.17 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 07.23.25 # ?? lol 07.23.58 # genre = 255 is unknown? 07.25.19 # I prefer to have everything in one huge file, like I do with nsf,c 07.25.20 # *nsf.c 07.25.21 # Is genre restricted to an int? 07.25.25 # Or char? 07.25.35 # that would make sense to me, you are at the limit of a unsigned char 07.25.43 # char, I think, and that's what the other metadata setters use by default 07.26.11 # I thought you could have arbitrary genres with some formats. 07.26.21 # I thought the char was just ID3v1 07.26.37 # Not that it matters in this case, since I guess there's not an Genre tag for these files. :) 07.26.50 # well, I take it that if there's a genre string somewhere and it's unset it'll just use the id3 thingy, which we set to unknown 07.27.03 # and I should probably do this for SID, NSF, and ADX, too 07.28.12 # hcs: 36 is 'Game' 07.28.19 # hmm 07.28.43 # speaking of ADX is there some source to download adx files? all the ones I have didn't work 07.28.44 # Which seems valid for NSF and SPC 07.29.07 # midgey: where did you get these adx files from? 07.29.09 # * midgey hopes he wasn't trying to play a movie file... 07.29.33 # one of my dreamcast games I attempted to back up to my hdd years ago 07.29.46 # hcs: I'm not trying to complicate things...but to make it work all things need to be defined in spc.c before including either header since then Spc_Dsp.h has to know about spc_emu. 07.29.47 # hm, that ought to work 07.29.48 # no idea if I did it right 07.30.32 # if it ends up not really mattering, then it's all moot anyway :) 07.31.09 # midgey: there is another type of codec used in some files, that particular game might use it, and I don't know how to play it. If you could upload a representative file somewhere I could take a look. 07.31.26 # this site has a lot of ADXs to test: http://rotb.mgbr.net/music.htm 07.31.54 # ok, ill see if i can track down to problematic file; i may have since deleted it 07.32.18 # jhMikeS: hmm, ok, well, guess we'll have to wait until we can find out 07.33.07 # meatdata.c :) 07.34.47 # I hope it doesn't cause it adds a bit of ugliness 07.35.31 Quit [toffe] ("MegaIRC v3.27 http://ironfist.at.tut.by") 07.36.07 # regarding the pp5020 freq scaling issues, I couldn't help notice that frequency scaling was taken out of the gigabeat because it reduced battery life... 07.36.29 # might it be reasonable to do this for ipods as well, considering the more serious problems it causes? 07.36.46 # hcs: There's already an unofficial build without frequency scaling 07.37.01 # hehe /me has got rockbox on a diet :p the flab is just falling off! 07.37.03 # I'm aware, and ditto for my builds 07.37.16 # But wouldn't it be better to just solve the problem? 07.37.30 Quit atsea-196 (Remote closed the connection) 07.37.31 # sure, but which can we do right now? 07.37.32 # Users have the option to use an unsupported build for the time being. 07.37.56 # But if you give them a supported build without the problem, how many do you think will be willing to test potential fixes? 07.38.59 # As it is, the majority prefer to look for workarounds than solutions, and don't like to try to reproduce bugs. Tell them we'll hand them the workaround on a silver platter... I dunno. 07.39.18 Join atsea-196 [0] (i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-b8743b2b7cc81c19) 07.39.22 # It sounds cynical, but at least it provides incentive. 07.40.13 # well, as I've said before, I feel it just harms the image of rockbox unnecessarily 07.40.44 # Well, then why not delist it as a supported target, categorize it as 'experimental'? 07.41.24 # * jhMikeS knows about the difficulty of getting serious testers for bug fixing 07.41.34 # I think a non-freezing version with even poorer battery life than the other PP targets isn't exactly good for the image either. 07.41.54 # In the case of the Gigabeat, at 300mhz I understand it gets comparable battery life to the retail firmware. 07.42.17 # Not scaling is actually, apparently, 'doing it the right way' 07.42.35 # And there tends to be a lot of emphasis on 'doing it the right way' around here, it seems. ;) 07.43.48 # ok, well, just thought I'd bitch about it again 07.44.51 # Have you tried KoC8 (with or without the multiplier change?) 07.45.18 # I think I did, but for some reason I don't recall the outcome 07.45.22 # Ah 07.45.34 # I switched to no boost for stability in profiling 07.45.51 # Gotcha 07.46.29 # the booting sequence on gigabeats is around 4 seconds faster now, we tested deleting (and putting just few bytes into needed files) the rest of the OF files 07.46.56 # perldiver: This is assuming you never want to revert, right? 07.47.02 # correct 07.47.11 # but you can always back it up 07.47.41 # Considering I've never booted the original firmware, I don't think I'll need to worry _too_ much about it. ;) 07.47.45 # jhMikeS, Llorean: just put up patch for genre and syncage 07.48.24 # the whole sequence takes about 6 seconds for me now, from POWER button to WPS 07.48.55 # jhMikeS: the SPC700 can have 256 samples in memory to look up, but certain games (Doom) change this mapping in realtime 07.49.04 # That is the only thing uncomfortable to me about the Gigabeat. So much slower booting than my other players. 07.49.12 Join Abcminiuser [0] (n=DPC@ppp36FB.dsl.pacific.net.au) 07.49.25 # 6 seconds is still slow? 07.49.38 # but yeah, flashing would help here 07.51.06 # OF boot was around 5 seconds 07.52.06 # Was that from a suspend-like state, or after a full battery poweroff? 07.52.31 # full battery poweroff 07.52.34 # hcs: ok, but a simple captured image like an .spc file doesn't do that. you need another cpu to send that data, right? 07.52.50 # "hibernation" mode gives around 3 to 4 07.53.14 # jhMikeS: no, it can be changed by the SPC, there is a table for the address where each of the 256 samples starts 07.53.14 # perldiver: Then it's the first of I know of that actually boots quite fast... 07.53.20 # it was still kind of slow, as i remember it 07.53.53 Quit busa_blade (Remote closed the connection) 07.54.07 # jhMikeS: this is very rarely done, though, Doom is the only one I've seen yet 07.54.08 # All others are 10 sec or more, sometimes much more 07.54.37 # hmm why Llorean said he's uncomfortable with it then? 07.54.54 # perldiver: Because I've been using a Nano. :-P 07.55.00 # oh :) 07.55.07 # Which really has unbeatable boot time. 07.57.03 # im sure a flashed gigabeat might compete with that 07.57.18 # hcs: I was asking about it regarding the spc file itself somehow changing the samples from one set to another completely different one (say, an spc file with 300 samples). it doesn't appear to operate that way. once it has cached the max 256 entries, there won't be any more in an spc file iiuc. sure, the game program can change them. 07.57.27 # You cannot really compare flash with hdd based players wrt boot time 07.58.14 # The Ondio also boots faster than the archos recorder or player, in spite of the rather slow mmc access 07.58.15 Quit scorche (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.58.43 # hcs: never mind, I get it :P 07.58.44 # jhMikeS: well, you're correct that no new sample data can get into memory, but the 256 entries you start off with might not be the same 256 entries you always have. Doom uses them more like channels than entries for sample pointers. 07.58.45 Join scorche [0] (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 08.01.09 # ok, so the SPC program can switch those around. It seems the cache continually increments though if it doesn't find it. Guess it would just overflow out of bounds. 08.01.37 # well it switches between a limited set of actual samples 08.02.44 Quit Soap (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.02.50 Join Soap_ [0] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 08.04.12 # and I have it set up to just wrap around 08.04.28 # ah, I don't believe it did that before iirc 08.05.01 # maybe it did...I don't remember now :) 08.05.28 # I think I've had that in there as long as I had the backup cache 08.06.45 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 08.06.46 # ah, yes it's uint8_t so it wraps. I would've screwed it all up :) 08.08.47 Quit ptw419 () 08.09.18 # it isn't the best behavior, but I was just doing it to avoid overflow in pathological cases 08.10.07 # speaking of which, there are circumstances where the BRR cache doesn't work, such as when looping isn't just back in the sample, but somewhere else in ram 08.10.22 # I haven't encountered these yet, but blargg warned about it. 08.11.02 Join PaulJam [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3022.gwdg.de) 08.12.03 # hmmm, so the loop can loop back to another sample 08.12.24 # potentially 08.12.58 # whereas I assume at the moment that we'll have already encountered the loop point in the course of decoding the sample 08.15.19 # have you done any comparisons with decode_brr inlined vs. not? 08.15.20 # I know I need to do more reading (and asking) but how is a loop address determined from the 9 byte block? It only seemed to have a flag that said to loop it. 08.16.11 # I inlined the head of it but not the more rarely executed decoder and it made no difference 08.16.13 # the loop address is sd [raw_voice->waveform].loop 08.18.57 # hi, is it normal that when running a plugin (demystify) the device shuts down after a while (propably idle shutoff) even though music is playing? (i haven't tested with a clean SVN build) 08.20.51 # I don't believe I've ever seen it do that. 08.21.05 # Clearly it _shouldn't_ do that. 08.21.13 # PaulJam: no, it should not turn off 08.21.36 # oh, wait. forget that. i'm silly. i had set the shutdown timer earlier but forgot that. 08.21.45 # lol 08.22.35 # sorry. 08.23.43 # jhMikeS: yeah, I think it is the massive decoder block that makes the difference, though I did notice an effect with the smaller keyon block 08.24.24 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.25.14 # whose amazing idea was LANG_BOOKMARK_SETTINGS_MAINTAIN_RECENT_BOOKMARKS ?? 08.26.56 Part Llorean 08.29.06 Join safetydan [0] (n=dan@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 08.29.46 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@84-255-206-8.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) 08.30.11 Join Llorea1 [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 08.30.53 Join GodEater_ [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-bb6bb089c4eb7bac) 08.32.01 Join Vague_Rant [0] (i=opera@wikipedia/vague-rant) 08.33.17 # hcs: what can even run the continuous decoder with gaussian besides a gigabeat? :) Wasn't a factor for anything I was looking into. 08.33.19 # Is there a way to import settings that I've exported from a previous Rockbox install? 08.34.06 Join tucoz [0] (i=528612c1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4b5513998363b23a) 08.34.13 # morning 08.34.20 # amiconn: 580 bytes to go before the rec build is under where it was before the start :D (the general settings menu saved 1kb and this is with display settings still on the old system ) :D 08.34.23 # Vague_Rant: Simply click on the config file 08.34.24 # * JdGordon is excited :p 08.34.32 # So obvious. 08.34.35 # Thank you very much. 08.34.37 # jhMikeS: nothing tht I know of, thus why I have that case 08.34.46 Join ackbahr [0] (n=ackbahr@d212-152-19-184.cust.tele2.ch) 08.36.57 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 08.37.21 # I have a suggestion i want to make. Now that we have two cross-platform themes, could we vote for/dictator decision, to make one of them the shipped default theme? 08.37.47 # jhMikeS: are you nearing the point where you can put something up that I should wait to integrate or should I just continue plowing along with the arm-centric view? 08.37.49 # * JdGordon votes for rockboxed 08.37.58 Quit Supachikn_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.38.15 # i like rockboxed too 08.38.23 # hcs: getting closer. have to make it compile with and without "this" first so I can verify it. 08.38.36 # I like it too. 08.38.55 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 08.39.18 # except it has too muuch wasted screen space on the bigger targets 08.39.29 # hcs: For coldfire alot of those multiplies should be shift lefts. The mults are better on ARM? 08.39.38 # (It should have the rockbox logo in the screens that it would fit) 08.39.52 # jhMikeS: which mults? 08.39.53 # I am thinking of giving the first timers a pleasant first boot, and it also means that we can start to upgrade the manual with new prettier screenshots of the gui/wps 08.40.04 # Anything like x*0x100 can be x << 8 08.40.28 # jhMikeS: I think we sort of assume that gcc is smart enough to do that, is it not? 08.40.28 # the backdrop image could always be that yellow with a faded treble clef 08.40.58 Join xigxag [0] (n=xenion13@24-159-187-249.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) 08.41.14 # I'd like a default without peakmeters 08.41.40 # wow, wasn't expecting so many here 08.41.43 # I don't think it is...then again I want to be sure 08.41.58 # i totally agree with hcs espically with the ipods 08.42.10 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@15-124.airbites.bg) 08.42.15 # Hello! Anyone know about composite video signals, or a good place to talk/read about it? Thanks! 08.42.32 # The orange everywhere isn't very pleasant with Rockboxed, to me. 08.42.38 # I've never seen it use a mult where a shift is specified though 08.42.46 # good to see a strong community behind this project, I'm just about to install for the first time on my 5G 08.43.09 Nick Llorea1 is now known as Llorean (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 08.43.16 # what if you moved the tags around on the rockboxed theme? then it seems more spaced out. 08.43.24 # jhMikeS: I'm pretty sure it'll use the shift instead of the mult when possible 08.43.48 # hmm, rockboxed seems off by one line on my h300, anyone else having the same issue? 08.44.58 Join decayedcell [0] (i=3ba74537@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5cc08d24021b29d2) 08.45.07 Quit decayedcell (Client Quit) 08.45.09 # ackbahr: like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composite_video ? 08.45.15 Quit Llorean (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.45.48 Join decayedcell [0] (i=3ba74537@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-38bb4c01090b6762) 08.46.00 # Well, I *did* look this up, but I'd rather discuss the topic, because I'm up to something rather special.... 08.46.13 # Thanks anyway 08.46.34 # ackbahr: well, rockbox is about audio, you know ;-) 08.47.06 # You guys wouldn't believe what a number iTunes did to my music library when I first installed it last year. 08.47.33 # Yep, I know.... But as audio and video are not so different, I thought maybe someone was qualified... Thank you anyway! 08.48.33 # hcs: I try to leave as little up to it as possible cause it can be pretty braindead. It's not good at optimizing common subexpressions for example and putting those in a temp is almost always better. 08.49.20 # What do you guys use to get podcasts onto your rockbox? 08.49.21 Quit midgey (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.49.44 # but if you're doing arm, you're using the newer version I assume? so it could be different now. 08.50.00 # I've been looking at myPodder, but there isn't much documentation available for it 08.50.01 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B1591E.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.50.10 # jhMikeS: yeah, 4.0.3 08.50.55 # jhMikeS: I'm looking into the asm stuff in dsp.h now 08.51.06 # I really just need something that will download podcasts and something that will sync that folder with one on my rockbox - preferrably the same app 08.52.09 # I think I recall amiconn found the new one not so good on coldfire but don't recall why. 08.52.39 # If you're referring to 4.0.3 it would be ok for coldfire 08.53.17 # Boost while playback doesn't change for most codec, vawpack would profit from 4.0.3 08.53.33 # What I found is that we cannot use 4.1.x for coldfire targets 08.54.12 # why is that amiconn 08.54.23 # unless it's the defacto version for coldfire I guess I can't rely on any improvments in it 08.55.10 # Gcc 4.1.x is stupid: it always passes the cpu type to gas. But gcc doesn't know the 5249 and 5250, so we compile with -m5206e 08.55.41 # hcs: see anything that would matter for arm? I guess if it doesn't hurt it at least it's definitely good for cf. 08.55.43 # But gas knows about the 5249, and we need to pass it the true cpu type 08.56.12 # The 5206e lacks some registers the 5249 has, and which we need to use 08.56.49 # * jhMikeS can't believe after all this time that it shouldn't know about the 5249 and 5250 08.56.51 # jhMikeS: you mean the asm? it all looks good to me, but I'm very inexperience with arm assembly. I'd like to test out what you have... 08.56.57 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 08.57.17 # hcs: will get it together asap as long as I can keep synced up :) 08.58.00 # jhMikeS: Try it... or believe me, gcc 4.1.x really doesn't know the 5249 08.58.01 # jhMikeS: awesome, sorry to be bugging you about it but I'd rather not be duplicating effort 08.58.23 # esp when my effort is not too great 08.58.24 # amiconn: I believe you. It just seems rather ludicrous 08.58.44 Quit kaaloo ("Leaving.") 08.58.58 # * amiconn thinks it would probably be a good idea to use the same gcc version for all targets 08.59.00 # amiconn, is there a bug raised against gcc about that? 08.59.10 # hcs: It is. Was awsome to hear that and not have actually fire up the SNES :) 08.59.14 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@91.140.21.44) 08.59.14 # For arm and sh we already do, so maybe we should switch to 4.0.3 for m68k as well? 08.59.32 # safetydan: Not by me, and I won't do that 08.59.51 # The gcc team isn't very cooperative :( 09.00.11 # hmm, i just found an easy solution to the tagcache endianess correction. Just create two functions ec_read and ec_write, which would act similar to read/write but take two extra parameters: structure alignment as a string, "lss" for "long,short,short" for example and the second parameter if endianess should be changed 09.00.17 # amiconn: If it makes better code for coldfire in 4.0.3 than 3.4.6 then I'm for it 09.00.20 # I remember you had some trouble with them before with a SH1 change they made. 09.01.21 # btw, since I got the x5 back I've noticed wierd lcd behavior on x5 that booting an old build with a new bootloader doesn't have 09.01.41 # safetydan: It wasn't an SH1 change, but a general change they introduced with gcc 4.0.0 09.02.38 # (but which hit rockbox on SH only; there's now a workaround - the problematic part is now completely hidden from gcc, i.e. pure asm) 09.03.44 # safetydan: And that was not the only problem I had with gcc... 09.03.44 Join odb|fide1_ [0] (i=xbAVVbb-@trillian.ask.fh-furtwangen.de) 09.03.49 # good morning 09.04.22 # Goodbye everyone! 09.04.33 Quit ackbahr ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.9/2006120612]") 09.04.53 # is there a list about all files on root level of an rockbox install on an ipod ? since my last asia trip i have strange autorun files and similar on my root-level. but i am not sure if i can delete all or not :D 09.05.02 # amiconn: so they don't really like to listen to us outsiders? 09.05.35 # odb, all there should be in the base install is the .ipod firmware and the .rockbox dire 09.06.06 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a2c12ad18481c05f) 09.06.07 # ok thank you 09.06.34 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.07.41 Quit daurnimator ("Cyas later...") 09.08.07 Join daurnimator [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.7) 09.12.05 # * jhMikeS also notices that older recorded 88kHz wavpack file that used to play back fine cannot decode fast enough any longer on x5 :( The wavpack lib was updated iirc. 09.12.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.12.49 Join Bletch__ [0] (n=steve@222-152-146-110.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) 09.20.28 # hi, apologies if this question is slightly idiotic but I can't find the answer in the FAQs or in the docs - and google hasn't been much help either: How does one get out of the audio thread debug menu on an ipod nano? 09.23.17 # press left or menu iirc 09.23.26 # sometimes it is a bit stubborn 09.23.36 # I have tried both of those 09.23.45 # that gets out of most of the debug menus 09.23.52 # just not the audio one 09.24.03 # same with my iriver, except I know how to get out of it on that 09.24.06 # try a bit more 09.24.12 # lol ok 09.24.16 # * Bletch__ tries some more 09.24.46 # uhh maybe try a long press of the play/pause button 09.24.57 # ok, hammered it about 20 times and it finally exited 09.25.06 # just takes a long, long time 09.25.13 # thanks very much 09.25.21 # maybe I have a faulty button on the player 09.25.22 # yeah of corus eyou can just shut down too 09.25.42 # because iirc the long press of the play/pause equals a stop on the ipod 09.26.06 Quit GodEater_ ("CGI:IRC") 09.26.13 # yup but that wasn't what I wanted to do - on the iriver I check there to see what impack my eq/sound processing settings have 09.26.16 # *impact 09.26.27 # to see how long it takes the buffer to get back up to speed 09.26.41 # anyway, it's all good now 09.26.49 # thanks for answering my n00b question 09.27.17 Join GodEater_ [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-317f04fa02b21408) 09.28.05 Quit Jsunu ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]") 09.28.08 Part Bletch__ ("Thanks guys!") 09.28.50 Join Winchester345 [0] (n=Administ@c211-28-56-7.frank1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 09.28.55 # jhMikeS: just wondering, what is the time frame on "asap"? 09.29.06 # before xmas :p 09.29.41 # Which one? 09.29.45 # :) 09.30.23 # hcs: yes, way before that. A day or so? 09.31.11 # jhMikeS: oh, ok, awesome, just thinking back to the original question of whether to wait or commit what's there so far 09.32.31 # well, if it were in cvs, it would be much easier to coordinate things 09.32.56 # hmm, want me to throw it up, then? 09.33.45 # wow, the guys at TNT have superpowers 09.34.06 # what sort of superpowers ? 09.34.12 # tracktrace states that my package wasn't given to them (however it was said that it would be) 09.34.21 # and now they are delivering it? :o 09.34.28 # that's very clever of them 09.34.29 # how 'bout the power to kill a yak from 200 yards away? 09.34.34 # hehe 09.34.37 # with mind bullets? 09.34.56 # it's been too long since I listened to that one :) 09.35.00 # With karate I'll kick your ass, back to Tienenman square :) 09.35.39 # I'm for it throwing it up there 09.36.19 # alrighty, how would you prefer the files to be structured? a subdir with some units or one massive file? 09.36.32 # noone remembers that one from the album? :( 09.36.57 # sorry, I've just heard Tribute and Wonderboy 09.37.19 # oh, I've got the cd...*embarrased* 09.37.56 Quit darkless ("Leaving") 09.38.01 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 09.38.36 # * jhMikeS likes it unitized for easy scrolling 09.38.52 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m204.net81-65-15.noos.fr) 09.39.14 # see... I'd like to have it in something like a final form before the commit, and I think your input may change things substantially 09.39.32 # Heya, does the rb api have detection for the ipod scrollwheel touches (not scrolling or pressing)? 09.39.40 Join fejfighter [0] (n=jeffro21@C-210-10-172-89.syd.connect.net.au) 09.39.59 # Yes, rockboy uses it. 09.40.13 # ah ok thanks linuxstb 09.40.33 # and... is it generally not used to be more compatible with other players? 09.40.33 Quit decayedcell ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 09.40.54 # It's generally not used because there's no reason to. 09.40.55 # hcs: only if it actually matters. I'm trying to compile now for both cases and am having a little trouble. A quick test should be telling 09.41.30 # fair enough 09.43.01 # Winchester345: Is there anywhere in Rockbox you think it should be used/ 09.43.24 # Well there goes that theory. Fixed-point version of speexdec works with my "broken" speex files. Now to find out why Rockbox is special. 09.44.12 # well.... since it gives 8 directions..... could be used as a mouse..... but that's really unnessesary...... I was just wondering 'cause I never noticed it being used 09.44.24 # actually it gives 96 directions 09.44.33 # really? 09.44.52 # even better 09.45.03 # 96? :o 09.45.14 # diagnostic mode says 32, iirc... 09.45.24 # but outside there it's even more accurate? 09.45.28 # trust me, it's 96 09.45.36 # nice 09.48.00 # * linuxstb wonders how Slasheri's scrolling changes are coming along 09.48.13 # what changes are those? 09.48.30 # oh btw.... just remembered..... wondering if it is an issue with my ipod or not..... 09.48.35 # functions that become void are troublesome 09.48.43 # when a track has been playing for a while 09.48.44 # Optimising the list drawing code (more noticable on the larger colour LCDs), plus implementing clickwheel acceleration. 09.48.55 # turn off the hold switch.... then it seems to ignore key presses 09.49.01 # until I do 2 or 3 in a row 09.49.13 # Winchester345: this has been reported before 09.49.21 # Winchester345: Yes, that's not uncommon. 09.49.22 # oh..... so how's that going? 09.49.29 # quiet annoying 09.50.58 # is.... what causes it known? 09.52.17 Quit combrains (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.53.29 # do I place the font folder directly in the .rockbox directory? 09.55.28 # and yeah..... that's there it goes 09.55.47 Part tucoz 09.55.49 # thanks 09.55.57 # np 09.56.46 Join jba [0] (n=jba@c211-30-242-236.blktn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 09.58.05 # JdGordon: Your commit message says your commit reduces the recorder build by 1200 bytes, but reading the IRC logs, you said it was 200 bytes... 09.58.52 # linuxstb: i was mentioning numbers in irc as i was goign through the menu... the number in the commit log is with the whole menu done 09.58.58 # * GodEater_ wonders what JdGordon is buttering amiconn up for.... 09.59.47 # JdGordon: So that commit really does reduce the build by 1200 bytes? 09.59.52 # yup 10.00.03 # Nice. How much is left for rombox to work now? 10.00.46 # i dunno.. the number im going by is the one in the error log from the rec build 10.01.20 # 300bytes to lose before we go back to where it was before the first menu commit... 10.01.34 # so after that its 4k or something iirc 10.02.49 Part toed 10.02.51 # hmm... actually I dont know... that number is how much over the uncompressed max is... dunno how much rombox needs 10.05.59 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 10.06.28 # Looking at firmware/rom.lds, it's 256KB - 0x7010 bytes (size of bootbox) 10.06.54 # just out of curiosity....... what's rombox? 10.07.04 # = 233456 bytes 10.07.26 # Winchester345: Rockbox running directly from flash-ROM 10.07.50 # so we are 3700 bytes over atm 10.07.53 # wasn't.... something like that done using scrambler or am I way off? 10.08.22 # which means once safetydan's lang fixes are in and the menus are done we should be well under 10.08.47 # *giggles like a school girl* 10.08.53 # Plus I think [IDC]Dragon has reduced Bootbox by about 10KB 10.09.28 # I'll take that as I am way off 10.10.23 # scrambler is for the iriver bootroms 10.10.39 # hcs: neither using globals instead of "this" nor the larger buffer the make any difference as is. But it does play at 95% boost all in c where it would've needed about 105% - 110% before. 10.11.06 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 10.11.23 Quit BigBambi (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.11.25 # Winchester345: this is for the archos devices 10.11.33 # I guess ill use this opportunity to dump another 150 bytes in a function which hasnt been used in _ages_ from menu.c 10.11.39 # so.... that's irrelevant to the ipod? 10.11.44 # yes 10.11.44 # we are talking about "far off" beacuse currently, it is too big to fit in ROM 10.11.55 # jhMikeS: not sure what you mean by "all in c", and could you describe what changes you have made to go from 105% to 95%? 10.12.07 # ah I see 10.12.09 # or, better yet, just post the patch and let me try itout :) 10.13.04 Join decayedcell_ [0] (n=decayed_@ppp69-55.lns1.mel4.internode.on.net) 10.13.44 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 10.13.53 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 10.14.38 # hcs: none...it's the difference between patch 30 and 35 alone 10.15.37 Quit tvelocity ("Αποχώρησε") 10.15.38 # linuxstb: 0x7010 is not only bootbox. It's bootbox + flash loader 10.15.46 # jhMikeS: oh, ok, I thought you were doing some stuff with FRACMUL and friends 10.16.26 # amiconn: OK. What do each of them do? 10.16.28 # hey, coincidence, we're at spc36.patch and the id3 genre number for Game is also 36 10.16.55 # JdGordon: I think your latest commit will bring back rombox for backlight-modded Ondio FM 10.17.11 # Does rockbox use the low-mem branch of Tremor? The README.rockbox isn't clear on that. 10.17.13 # :) 10.17.45 # I'll post it for you though. I'll post those revisions after I get some rest. You can see if there's a difference any more going either way. 10.18.10 # ok, thanks 10.18.19 # Using the pointers makes the code about .3k larger though 10.18.22 # linuxstb: The flash loader is the first thing run (from the flash). It's rather tiny, about 3KB. The flash loader is what allows to choose between main & alternate image (i.e. rockbox and bootbox). It also contains the ucl decompressor 10.18.39 # jhMikeS: I think I'll get a cleaned-up version of spc36 committed tonight 10.19.22 # Bootbox is a cut-down rockbox, with only rolo, usb support (and charging on the rec v1) 10.19.50 # Both flash loader and bootbox together are comparable to the swcodec bootloaders 10.20.04 # (but the swcodec bootloaders don't handle compressed images) 10.20.06 # gimme a couple secs I'll have it posted 10.20.17 # ok, no rush 10.23.12 # I think I should turn up the gain on spc 10.23.28 # Has anyone got FS4984 to compile nicely against today's SVN 10.23.32 # it is always far lower than other tracks... 10.24.24 Join jba_ [0] (n=jba@c211-30-242-236.blktn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 10.24.24 Quit jba (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.27.58 Quit YouCeyE (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.28.45 # decayedcell_, 4984 is probably a long way from being usable 10.29.03 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 10.29.03 Join JerryLange_ [0] (n=JerryLan@ppp139.hk.centurytel.net) 10.29.08 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 10.30.51 Part decayedcell_ 10.31.37 Quit PaulJam (".") 10.32.54 # hcs: up 10.33.32 # thanks 10.35.21 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@host-144-219.ch.le.ac.uk) 10.36.29 # HCS: How far is the SPC codec off a commit? 10.36.42 Quit JerryLange (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 10.37.02 Nick JerryLange_ is now known as JerryLange (n=JerryLan@ppp139.hk.centurytel.net) 10.37.23 # jhMikeS: I think I'll get a cleaned-up version of spc36 committed tonight 10.37.25 # Abcminiuser: might get a commit tonight 10.37.47 # Fantastic! 10.38.23 # Also, is anyone else getting a freezup when USB is inserted in a 4G grayscale iPod when the COP patch is used? 10.38.41 Join decayedcell [0] (i=3ba74537@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-15248c48250af58b) 10.39.29 # I've been getting that occasionally on a 4g color, without the cop patch 10.40.24 # Well this is all the time 10.40.52 # Every USB insert either shows the little disk activity icon and the disk spins up (and nothing else), or just the USB insert image and nothing else 10.47.08 # Yeah got this problem a lot on the 5G 10.47.34 # same as the Nano, but it happens every single time 10.51.18 Join bluebrother [0] (i=XMi6Ljtt@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 10.51.33 # Decayed, with the COP patch? 10.51.41 # yes sir with the cop patch 10.52.28 # Hmmm, at least it's seemed to have solved the frequency scaling bug for me (at the cost of slower scrolling) 10.53.05 # Any devs have any ideas? I'd assume it would be a problem with the COP thread blocking the reboot into the disk mode, but I have no proof at all on that :P 10.55.48 # I'm pretty sure its to do with the new config files with the USB charger detection update 10.56.27 # Hey..... http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginGrayscale ..... how can does a 2 bit LCD show so many shades? O_o 10.56.32 # -can 10.58.20 # temporal dithering 10.59.05 # 33 shades thats quite impressive 10.59.09 # is that something I can google or something you guys came up with? 10.59.14 Quit dan_a () 10.59.34 # I thought it was just PWMing the cells? 11.00.02 # You have a defined framerate, then the more each cell is turned on inside that framerate, the darker it appears? 11.00.28 # So if you are showing at 60Hz, and have a cell that's off 1/2 the time, it's 1/2 as dark as its neighbours? 11.00.29 # thus, temporal dithering 11.00.34 # and.... how come the plugin doesn't seem to compile for mini 2g while it says on the plugin page it suppports mini? 11.00.46 # hmm.... clever. 11.01.13 # My AVR works have taught me something it seems :) 11.01.30 # heh 11.01.43 # PWM = Pulse Width Modulation, I guess, but what's AVR? 11.02.15 # Yes, PWM = Pulse Width Modulation, and AVR is a type of Microcontroller made by Atmel 11.02.36 # Basically, a non-crap PIC - better speeds, better architecture, etc 11.03.35 # so.... how come I don't seem to have the greyscale demo on the 2g mini? 11.05.41 # ....... is it something I said? >.> 11.06.03 # Winchester345: grayscale.rock isn't compiled by default. It's more or less just a demo, intended for devs 11.06.23 # so how would I get it to compile? 11.06.27 # There are several plugins which use the grayscale lib: mandelbrot, jpeg viewer, doom, ... 11.06.42 # You need to add it to apps/plugins/SOURCES 11.07.43 # no such dir.... O_o 11.08.05 # grayscale.c seems to be in the plugins folder though 11.08.20 # Yes, and there's a SOURCES file in the same dir 11.08.43 # oh >.> excuse my idiocy there 11.10.30 # I want to code something useful for rockbox... just all this low level, cross-platform and foreign API is all new to me so I am kinda hopeless right now 11.12.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.15.00 # Build linkage.lds 11.15.00 # LD rockbox.elf 11.15.00 # /data/cvs/rockbox/build/apps/settings_list.o:(.data+0x88): undefined reference to `__compound_literal.4' 11.15.15 # since cvs-svn transition I cant build no more, any ideas? 11.15.23 # are you using cygwin? 11.15.29 # no, gcc 4.0.2 cross 11.15.52 # Ave: I guess you're building for an arm target (e.g. ipod), and have arm-elf-gcc 4.0.2 11.15.58 # You need 4.0.3 11.16.01 # yes 11.16.05 # ah ok thanks 11.17.21 Quit jba_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.19.57 # is 4.0.4 ok? 11.20.22 Join ppeom [0] (i=oppa123@222.101.44.68) 11.20.48 Part Vague_Rant 11.21.01 # The battery meter in the Rockboxed theme is completely wrong here: at 100% it shows up empty, at 90% it's 2/3 filled, at 60% 1/3 filled.. 11.22.19 # 'night 11.22.35 Join jba_ [0] (n=jba@c211-30-242-236.blktn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 11.22.38 Part Winchester345 11.22.47 # Hi all 11.23.18 # Ave, can't you use the rockboxdev.sh script, which downloads & builds the cross compiler you need? 11.23.46 # I could but I already have my own build thing set up 11.24.02 # I just need the new gcc toolchain in one path and thats it 11.24.32 # who's know this tag? 11.24.33 # %e|70|219|32|1|B8C8E1|%al%pv 11.24.37 Quit atsea-196 (Remote closed the connection) 11.24.48 # what's mean 70? 11.25.08 # Ave, so your cross compiler's fine except for the lack of gcc? 11.25.30 # directhex|work: no, I had too old version (4.0.2) for current svn code 11.26.28 Join atsea-196 [0] (i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-f7f36f73fdd95cf3) 11.28.37 # ppeom: That looks like an unofficial tag 11.29.37 # yeah I was hunting for %e too - can't find it anywhere in the wiki 11.30.02 # I apply multi font patch.. 11.30.17 # Those Gigabeat kids with their custom bootsplashes :) http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/2096/bootsplash2nk7.png 11.30.33 # That's tag multi font tag.. I don't know 70 mean.. 11.30.52 # ppeom: ask the multi font patch creator 11.30.54 # markun: niceeeeeee ;) 11.31.08 # kekeke.. 11.31.12 # who's make? 11.31.28 # 'Amar' from mygigabeat.com 11.31.29 # ooh. multi font? sounds swish 11.31.51 # hm maybe I should change to rockboxdev.sh afterall 11.31.53 # yes.. Jclix theme use it font.. 11.32.12 # I wonder why the patch creators don't come here to talk about the future of rockbox but instead just work on their own things 11.32.32 # multifont is a dead end 11.32.37 # but it was fun to do 11.32.44 # in what way dead end? 11.32.59 # The implementation is not good? 11.32.59 # because it uses a ton of RAM and ends up being fairly slow 11.33.04 # aha 11.33.06 # markun: Do you know the font cache code? 11.33.15 # linuxstb: a little. I know it's very slow :) 11.33.21 # the current font code is very crufty 11.33.23 # bk.. only ipod? 11.33.38 # :( ... Do you think it could be extended to add multiple fonts? 11.33.51 # linuxstb: not easily 11.34.02 # But would that be the "right" approach? 11.34.05 # the LRU stuff is painful to read through 11.34.11 # bk, how much is a ton, assuming execution on a ridiculously overpowered player? 11.34.14 # bk, linuxstb: yes, I've though a lot about how to do a better implementation, but it's not so easy to do fast and not waste RAM 11.35.05 # directhex|work: (# of fonts) x (buffer size), buffer size with my patch was somewhere around 40kb 11.35.16 # linuxstb: the biggest problem with glyph caching (especially with multiple fonts) is that they vary a lot in size 11.35.41 # So you get a fragmented cache? 11.36.02 # it's just not designed for variable size entries 11.36.02 # i'd be happy enough if WPS font and menu font could differ 11.36.07 # linuxstb: not right now, because for every glyph the space of the biggest one is used 11.36.10 # well. i'm happy enough now 11.36.19 # markun: OK, I see the issue... 11.36.40 # linuxstb: and if you load a 2nd font with even bigger glyphs.. 11.38.09 # also, for ever glyph printed, I think a linked list is traversed and some pointers changed to have a LRU implementation. I hope we can make the glyph lookup a bit more efficient. 11.39.08 # I tend to think glyph lookup should be pushed down to the loader code which probably involves totally rewriting the font code 11.39.36 # The code was written by one of the chinese rockbox users, but they showed very little interest when I was working on unicode and used the code. 11.40.01 # bk: which loader code? 11.40.34 # markun: the disk font loading routines, instead of the higher level font cache stuff 11.41.09 # with most fonts we don't have the memory to load the whole thing, then search for glyphs 11.41.13 # I still don't get what you want to do. Get rid of the font caching? 11.43.05 Part JerryLange 11.43.12 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.43.34 # perhaps you should just implement it to show me what you mean :) 11.43.42 # hm 11.43.49 # perhaps 11.44.13 # will your implementation be faster and/or use less RAM? 11.44.45 # that would be the goal 11.45.08 # I'm not interested in maintaining big patches indefinitely 11.45.21 # no, of course not 11.45.22 # this is all in the planning stages right now though 11.45.24 Quit GodEater_ ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 11.45.36 # I remember it was quite difficult to maintain the unicode patch 11.46.47 # bk: can you maybe write your ideas on a wiki page or something? 11.47.21 # markun: yeah, I can sketch out what I'm thinking on the wiki 11.47.33 # I've got to run at the moment but I'll be around later today 11.47.40 # ok, thanks 11.48.30 # markun, did you finish your tale of how the gigabeat port came to be? 11.50.25 # no, not yet 11.50.51 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 11.51.26 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 11.51.32 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 11.59.14 Join MonkeyTamer [0] (n=chatzill@207.62.156.85) 12.01.05 # oh my god 12.01.11 # talking about n00b-proof instructions 12.01.20 # I can't believe that there are actually people THAT stupid 12.01.33 # 'WARNING! Do NOT wash protector with PDA! Wash ONLY protector!' 12.01.36 # there's no such thing as "n00b" proof 12.01.42 # well, more or less :P 12.01.50 Join jba___ [0] (n=jba@c211-30-242-236.blktn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 12.02.04 # for every effort, there is a lack of effort to acknowledge said effort 12.02.26 # there's nothing wrong with "n00bs". the problem is with the stupid, not the ignorant. one of the two can be cured 12.02.31 Nick jba___ is now known as jba (n=jba@c211-30-242-236.blktn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 12.02.39 # that is true 12.03.23 # while the ignorant may not know better, they may be learned; whereas stupid people insist on their ignorance, and refuse to be taught 12.04.32 # there has to be warnings for everything; I'm honestly surprised that there aren't people making you sign waivers when you walk through a store 12.05.14 # speaking of n00bs....I managed to hack together a script to sync my podcasts. Do you know if I can make it autostart when the drive is mounted? 12.05.16 # * safetydan wonders how the heck a member of structure can become null when passed to another function 12.05.53 Quit jba_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.06.03 # You know, the RockBlox iPod game would benefit from the scrollwheel touch API rather than the button API... 12.06.33 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.08.38 # I find its support for the ipod control scheme irritating 12.08.42 # too sensitive 12.08.52 # I assume you mean for moving the pieces? 12.08.55 # i was about to say that 12.08.59 # for anything 12.09.09 # it would be too easy to screw up accidentally 12.09.22 # it already switches the pieces' position, but I agree: it's simply annoying 12.10.10 # Sweet bobble-headed jesus, so it does... 12.10.21 # But if RockBoy can use it, why not RockBlox? 12.10.26 # And yes, to move the pieces 12.10.31 # I can't stand the blasted scroll wheel for the brickbuster game 12.11.33 # I can see the benefit at higher speeds for that game, but the scroll wheel can be inaccurate 12.12.21 # try playing that brickbuster game and see what I mean 12.13.02 Quit fejfighter () 12.15.26 # does it seem to anyone else like the Rockbox menu, as in the main menu scrolls slower? 12.15.39 # and only the Rockbox menu 12.17.18 Quit MonkeyTamer ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]") 12.18.35 # morning all 12.18.57 # Can someone give me some hints on how bufferpool becomes null at the end of this gdb session? http://pastebin.ca/353447 12.23.14 # or actually ignore that altogether 12.23.17 # * safetydan slaps forehead 12.24.04 Nick Soap_ is now known as Soap (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 12.28.36 Join wooo [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 12.33.46 # lol! 12.33.56 # what? 12.34.02 # god, your parents must be assholes... what I just saw :D 12.34.08 # I got an e-mail from 'Jesus C.' 12.35.05 Quit lukaswayne9 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.35.55 # sounds like a normal latino name to me :) 12.41.58 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54964CE3.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.42.56 # Sounds like the sort of identity I'd set up for myself ;) 12.43.28 # Oh, is the chopper patch ready to be comitted? It's cross-platform I believe 12.43.35 # And works well in the tests I've performed 12.43.58 # Or what about the pulsing starfield? That's neat, and a very simple patch 12.44.20 # I hate to see all the little patches languishing forever in the tracker until they become out of date :( 12.44.34 # Abcminiuser, copper with or without the menus? It would crash after you opened and closed the menu a few times for me. 12.44.39 # chopper even 12.45.04 # Without is the one I've used 12.45.18 # I can't test the with, since I'd have to update Cygwin 12.45.44 # * Abcminiuser really has to set up a dual boot Ubuntu environment so he can compile rockbox quickly and easily 12.46.09 # what is wrong with vmware or colinux? 12.46.27 Join kurzhaarrocker [0] (n=khr@p50909F1E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 12.46.31 # Well I've had enough coding for one night. 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Do I change both or need to create a new lang? 14.42.57 # s/lang/phrase 14.43.08 # change both 14.43.14 # which phrase btw 14.43.19 # ? 14.43.24 # plugin browser to browse plugins 14.44.24 # why not just "plugins"? 14.44.37 # you mean browse plugins -> plugin browser? 14.44.47 # yes 14.45.15 # it should work if you change both src and dest 14.45.21 # markun: i dont really care what it says.. but everyone seems to agree that browse plugins is bad 14.45.28 # Bagder: was there a reason that you changed the approximation of the VMware image zip file back to "~217"? 14.46.01 # JdGordon: inconsistency is bad 14.46.22 # also, will I be allowed to hide the recent bookmarks item if the option is disabled? (which is default) 14.46.32 # oh...sorry...ignore me...i was looking at the raw bytes... 14.46.40 # JdGordon: i think you should 14.46.50 # * scorche should sleep more so he doesnt do this type of thing... 14.48.54 # LinusN: yay :) 14.55.13 # what are we calling the plugins? just plugins? or browse plugins? 14.55.27 # * JdGordon is slowly getting fed up with this patch :p 14.56.05 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484B8A8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.56.07 Join |Rincewind| [0] (i=cS4wkaXT@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 14.57.09 # JdGordon: i *think* just "Plugins" is fine 14.57.13 # JdGordon: to me "file, database, plugins" looks better than "browse files, database, browse plugins" 14.57.23 # fileS for the first one 14.57.46 # markun: sounds ok to me 14.58.25 # LinusN: anything rockbox related you are working on? 14.58.50 # nope, unfortunately not... 14.59.15 # I just keep adding things to my list, but spend very little time actually implementing anything.. 14.59.23 # tell me about it 15.00.26 # damn, i was about to try the root menu patch, but it didn 15.00.28 # t 15.00.30 # apply 15.00.39 # ill do a new one if you want 15.00.46 # please 15.01.01 # what's a root menu? 15.01.04 # <|Rincewind|> I wasn't able to compile with root menu yesterday, too 15.01.38 # http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/root_menu.patch 15.01.40 Join webguest15 [0] (i=4671586f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-daf3c3367df086ad) 15.01.41 # Lynx_: a main menu to navigate to all the different rockbox parts 15.02.00 # Lynx_: file browser, settings, WPS, recording screen etc 15.02.10 # * LinusN compiles... 15.02.36 # markun: got a question for you re: gigabeat 15.02.44 # codewise its bassically done now, just need to agree on the items, their order and the english 15.02.45 # webguest15: ok, just ask 15.03.13 # JdGordon: and there was also some redundant code in the tree browser code, right? 15.03.17 # i'm wondering if we should commit the scroll margins patch... 15.03.22 # markun: down at the bottom of http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort, there's a file labelled GBSYSTEM.zip with the comment "after backing up your GBSYSTEM folder, you can impove boot time extracting this." 15.03.35 # webguest15: yes 15.03.41 # markun: yeah, there is a fair biit of dead code because of this.. but that can wait till after the commit imo 15.03.52 # markun: they seem to be dummy files. any danger of bricking my gigabeat putting them on there? 15.04.09 # each of the screens really should be checked individually for exess code now 15.04.28 # webguest15: that chance always exists, but you can always recover. 15.04.29 Join perplexity [0] (i=heh7882@dxb-as87281.alshamil.net.ae) 15.04.44 # webguest15: a few of us have tried it and it worked really well 15.04.49 Quit anathema (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.04.59 # markun: cool... will give it a shot 15.05.12 # markun: thanks for all the work you and the other gigabeat devs are doing, btw 15.05.20 # LinusN: if the only reason its not in is because we ar waiting for viewports then I rekon it should go in 15.05.31 Join OgMaciel [0] (n=omaciel@ubuntu/member/gnukemist) 15.05.34 # webguest15: and the other rockbox devs have done too of course 15.05.42 # markun: indeed! :) 15.05.46 Quit webguest15 (Client Quit) 15.06.49 # * JdGordon isnt sure if not allowing ACTION_STD_CANCEL to exit the browsers is such a good idea 15.07.42 # JdGordon: I'm now also thinking the 'root' menu shouldn't be at the root :) 15.08.04 # but just be accessed by the menu button 15.08.12 # don't know what the rest of you think 15.08.12 # <|Rincewind|> is there a svn command to update all files and automatically remove all local code changes? 15.08.17 # svn revert 15.08.26 # that doesnt update tho 15.10.08 # <|Rincewind|> hm, I really don't know if everything is broken now, I better start completely fresh 15.10.25 # |Rincewind|: revert will work, no need to download everything again. 15.10.59 # <|Rincewind|> it doesn't matter, I have a fast internet connection. 15.11.22 # |Rincewind|: try "svn revert -R ./" and then "svn up" 15.12.04 # <|Rincewind|> I did that, but i didn't trust it and did a "rm -rf *" afterwards ^^ 15.12.12 # just check the output of svn diff 15.12.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.14.29 # <|Rincewind|> it would make more sense to have the root menu be the root (espesially if we want database to behave the same as the browser) 15.15.04 # |Rincewind|: why? 15.15.06 # <|Rincewind|> but I don't know that code very well, so don't listen to me 15.15.40 # if they don't go to the menu if you press left it will still be the same behaviour 15.15.52 # <|Rincewind|> then the root menu would be call the other screens and is the central point in rockbox 15.15.59 # <|Rincewind|> -be 15.16.21 # it will be the central point anyway, even if you have to go there with the menu button 15.16.45 # I just think it's more consistant because it's the only way to go there from the WPS 15.17.19 Quit GodEater_ ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 15.17.19 # It's more like a teleporter screen that way :) 15.17.35 # <|Rincewind|> I was thinking code wise, currently the wps and the menu exit to the file browser, if I rember correctly 15.17.43 # LinusN: had a play with it yet? 15.17.55 # JdGordon: waiting for that damn cygwin crap 15.18.05 # still wow :p 15.18.10 # havnt you got ccache installed? 15.18.12 # |Rincewind|: no, the menu either exits to the file browser or the WPS, depending where you called it from 15.18.36 # JdGordon: nope, maybe i should try it 15.18.37 # JdGordon: ccache makes things worse on cygwin 15.18.48 # amiconn: really? wow! 15.18.50 # oh, ouch 15.18.51 # LinusN: switch to vmware like the rest :) 15.18.56 # or colinux 15.19.03 # The problem is the windows filesystem layer, not cygwin itself 15.19.31 # so compiling things in say msvc is slow too? 15.19.31 # * JdGordon hopes it was ok to crosspost a message on both ml's 15.19.44 # <|Rincewind|> markun, ok, I don't know what I am talking about and possibly it doesn't matter anyway 15.19.58 # markun: I am still using cygwin for building rockbox most of the time, even though I have both vmware and a real linux box available 15.20.11 # amiconn: isnt there a gcc option to use pipes for all the intermediate data instead of files? would that help on cygwin? 15.20.31 # surely everyone has -pipe in their cflags by default? 15.20.34 # amiconn: but you are more conservative than the rest so I didn't expect anything else :) 15.20.43 # It's simply more convenient to use cygwin when using a windows editor 15.20.55 # (does windows support pipes though?) 15.20.59 # Of course it does 15.21.21 # i don't know why it's of course, but okay 15.21.43 # markun: This has nothing to do with being conservative, but with being convenient 15.21.58 # does rockbox use -pipe in cygwin then? 15.22.00 # ok ok :) 15.22.35 # * JdGordon doesnt see CFLAGS being set in the makefile 15.23.10 # amiconn: I've never used either vmware nor cygwin so I shouldn't give any advice anyway 15.23.20 # JdGordon: just run make V=1 15.23.29 # Perhaps I'll change to a compile-only mini vm soon 15.23.41 # (without x11) 15.24.38 # amiconn: strip x out of the colinux image and have it running in the background, the use it exaclty like you would a remote linux box (samba and ssh) and your good 15.24.43 # JdGordon: The H10 OF uses a fairly intuitive root menu type system. It calls them Music, FM Radio, Recording, Photo, Text, Browser, Settings. 15.24.50 # Music is the database mode 15.25.17 # I dont like Music for database.. wont that confuse ppl looking for the wps? 15.25.24 # JdGordon: I was thinking about doing that, just with vmware instead of colinux 15.25.48 # Library would be nice 15.25.49 # barrywardell: and how do you navigate from the different items to this menu? 15.25.58 # Slasheri: yes, it would 15.25.59 # the reason I said colinux is because it can run it as a windows service, and not worry about it if you dont need it, its always ready for you 15.26.08 # pushing left enough times always brings you back to the root 15.26.32 # barrywardell: and how do you get to and from the WPS screen? 15.26.52 # get to the WPS screen by pressing play 15.27.13 # pressing left in the wps screen brings you back to the Music/Browser screen 15.27.54 # * LinusN likes the root menu 15.27.59 # in that case it's pretty good yes. But I don't think we want to change left to do the same in our WPS 15.28.15 # if you go to the WPS by pressing play, left brings you to the screen you were in before the WPS 15.28.32 # <|Rincewind|> I think left reverts the track in wps? 15.28.38 # yes 15.28.40 # urgh, contextual buttons :( 15.28.58 # amiconn: which we want to get rid of.. 15.28.59 # off 15.29.23 Quit ppeom (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.29.34 # <|Rincewind|> a rockbox where every button does the same in every screen wouldn't be very usable... 15.29.34 # does CFLAGS=-pipe enable or disable pipes? 15.29.42 # I think the root menu should be called with the menu button, from all screens 15.29.50 # amiconn: yes, me too 15.30.21 # Likewise, the menu button should be usable for quickly leaving the whole menu tree, returning where you came from 15.30.25 # hmmm, somehow selecting "Files" now always takes me to the wps... 15.30.31 # yes, agreed. 15.31.22 # LinusN: it does? wierd :p 15.31.23 # what should happen when you "back out" of the WPS? back to database/file browser? 15.31.40 # barrywardell: you can't back out :) 15.31.44 # barrywardell: Back out how? 15.31.45 # only to the root menu 15.31.51 # with the menu button 15.31.52 # barrywardell: if you press select, it will put you in the last browser, if you press menu it will put you in the root menu 15.32.06 # i mean, where do you go from the wps? 15.32.14 # <|Rincewind|> JdGordon: recording screen is now duplicated in the main menu and the root menu 15.32.22 # i know 15.32.44 # im going to leave that temporarily, because its more hassle to remove now than when i get to that menu in the reworking... 15.32.49 # JdGordon's answer is what I was thinking. "back out" was the wrong term 15.33.10 # well, I don't think select should do that in the WPS 15.33.26 # thats what it does currently... im open to suggestions tho 15.33.32 # do we need an extra button in the wps? 15.33.48 # i think it should be possible to go from the wps to either the root menu or the current play track in the database/file browser 15.33.58 # <|Rincewind|> jdGordon: I like it that you like my suggestion I made in the flyspray comment. That would be the first idea of mine that makes it into rockbox :) 15.34.30 # :) 15.34.44 # * bluebrother just read the last tracker comments on the root menu 15.35.01 # looks like it becomes something I thought of first, but I somewhat even confused myself :( 15.35.10 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 15.35.11 # I should get more sleep those days 15.35.24 # haha 15.35.38 # JdGordon: but how should the browser behave if you press left from the browser's root? 15.35.47 # im not sure 15.36.07 # im split between doing nothing and going to the root menu 15.36.07 # require you to press the menu button to call the menu? If you consider the "root" menu as a root it should (logically) go back to that menu 15.36.23 # OTOH I don't like that, as it breaks hold-left-to-root 15.36.45 # and will make it harder for the blind people, as they might find themselves in some menu instead of the browser 15.36.47 # I can get around that 15.36.59 # I can force it to stop at / even if left is held down 15.37.06 # * JdGordon praises the action system :D 15.37.15 # <|Rincewind|> if holding left puts you back to root of file browser and a second press of left goes to root menu then I think that blind users could navigate with this, too 15.37.18 # i'd like the root menu to have a different look than the other menus 15.37.25 # but what if you press left a couple of times quickly? Me does this sometimes ... 15.37.33 # maybe that could be made with a different backdrop 15.37.53 # put the RB logo in it ;-) 15.38.03 # (as backdrop) 15.38.08 # I want to give that menu the clef icon... 15.38.15 # can anyone draw one at 6x8 size? 15.38.19 # hmm, nice idea. 15.38.23 # JdGordon: lol 15.38.38 # shouldn't we consider using icons in different sizes? 15.38.46 # <|Rincewind|> well, if you moved too far, then you can push right once and you are back in the file browser root 15.38.54 # LinusN: and maybe some icons? 15.38.57 # while 6x8 is nice on my h120 its kindof tiny on ipod video etc. 15.39.01 # bluebrother: we've been considering that for years :-) 15.39.06 # the H10 OF has a different backdrop for each item in the root menu. probably a bit excessive 15.39.16 # markun: sounds nice 15.39.18 # use a clef as backdrop ;-) 15.39.18 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-202-175.student.uu.se) 15.39.34 # you could make it as light as possible for the 2bpp devices 15.39.41 # no, I dont think we need to make it any different 15.39.43 # <|Rincewind|> a backdrop on h120 would make the text very hard to read 15.40.00 # not if you design the backdrop carefully 15.40.51 # LinusN: also, the root menu code is the same stuff that drives every other menu.. so hacking its looks will be annoying and bloaty... 15.40.52 # JdGordon: would be nice if the whole menu could be centered (if the text fits of course) 15.40.52 # JdGordon: how about this: if the startup screen is set to file browser, left from the file browser root doesn't leave it but requires you to use the menu button 15.41.11 # <|Rincewind|> even black text on light gray is difficult to read, The only possible backdrop that i can imagine is a border, but that's not easy with different font sizes 15.41.21 # and if the Rockbox menu is set as startup screen allow left to go "up" to the Rockbox menu 15.41.36 # could work the same way for the database browser 15.41.43 # markun: that would need work in the list widget (which probably should happen), but wouldnt work so well atm 15.41.49 # markun: i was just about to say that 15.42.05 # <|Rincewind|> bluebrother: with that you are mixing setttings that don't have do do with each other 15.42.06 # bluebrother: that could work... 15.42.08 # would the viewports make this easier? 15.42.15 # probably not 15.42.24 # |Rincewind|: why am I mixing settings? 15.42.59 # <|Rincewind|> startup screen and left from file browser are two different things, imho 15.43.02 # bluebrother: "startup screen" is only supposed to set which screen is displayed when you start the player, not to set a virtual root 15.43.08 # amiconn: how are the viewports supposed to work? Do you give them a fixed size and position? 15.43.23 # its a bit premature asking that isnt it? 15.43.30 # I know, but that could be somewhat abused to set that behaviour too 15.43.41 # bluebrother: "abused" being the work 15.43.44 # word 15.44.09 # so are we agreeing that the only way out of the browsers is with the menu button? 15.44.31 # i mean.... uh... damn.. need sleep 15.44.37 # <|Rincewind|> and play to go out of the browser and enter wps 15.44.40 # JdGordon: I do 15.44.56 # JdGordon: I think this will be confusing to users that prefer the root menu as real screen root. 15.45.13 # unless we consider the root menu being the new main menu, and not a root for all screens 15.45.16 # how about, if we get complaints we change it then? ;p 15.45.25 # <|Rincewind|> would it hurt to make this an option? 15.45.27 # hehe ... sounds good 15.45.28 # indeed, that way it's no longer a root but you moved browser into the old menu 15.45.37 # bluebrother: new main menu would be my vote 15.46.02 # IMO we shouldn't make a new root menu that is root of all screens but instead have a new main menu 15.46.03 # I'd like the root menu to be the root menu so to speak 15.46.18 # * JdGordon i getting so confused 15.46.19 # (which is why I find this "root" naming a bit confusing) 15.46.46 # <|Rincewind|> if the root menu is the new main menu then it's not a change, just a reorder of things and naming it different 15.47.16 # |Rincewind|: no, as it now also allows to access other screens it didn't allow before (because of design reasons) 15.47.33 # but it's still a usual menu, similar as before. 15.47.49 # now _that_ would be confusing IMO 15.48.19 Part LinusN 15.48.29 # n1s: why? 15.48.57 # I think I'd prefer simply a new menu like the current "root" menu 15.49.01 # if you are in the menu, press left to fileborwser, right doesn't go back 15.49.21 # n1s: no, left in the menu will not do anything 15.49.29 # ... that new main menu shouldn't go back to something with left 15.49.49 # but instead it should be possible leaving that menu from any point using the menu button 15.49.53 # IMO if it is the _root_ then left should do nothing, just as left in the filebrowser root does nothing currently 15.49.57 # but of course there will be a patch to call the WPS when you press left :) 15.50.10 # of course ;-) 15.50.27 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.50.31 # <|Rincewind|> I think n1s wants to say that you enter the browser with LEFT on the first entry of the menu (so you think you are one level deeper) but you can't go back with right then 15.50.32 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 15.50.55 # <|Rincewind|> sorry, i confused left with right... 15.50.58 # left? Isn't selecting right? 15.51.04 # |Rincewind|: yes I mixed left and right up :-) 15.51.22 # quick poll: anyone not confused? ;-) 15.51.31 # me! 15.51.49 # to be clear, IMO what you enter with right should be possible to exit with left. 15.51.50 # i'm not, but i haven't read anything 15.51.55 # :) 15.53.20 # so we are back where we started? except everyone is confused 15.53.33 # JdGordon: seems so, yes :-) 15.53.51 # do NOT pass go, do NOT collect $200 15.54.13 Join Phalangees [0] (n=Phalange@adsl-75-51-2-12.dsl.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) 15.54.26 # <|Rincewind|> we only agree that we don't agree with each other ^^ 15.54.43 # is there any point I can pass and collect free time? 15.55.14 # * petur reads about free time and follows bluebrother 15.55.37 # * JdGordon has plenty 15.55.44 # ah the life of a uni bum :D 15.55.49 # * |Rincewind| goes to repair his bike 15.56.08 # JdGordon: so, 1 menu (which might not be called root) from which to go to everything else, and only menu brings you to this screen and nothing else changes screens? 15.57.18 # yes, except there are shortcuts between screens 15.57.24 # are there? 15.57.35 # files <-> wps 15.57.41 # you want to keep that? 15.57.45 # of course 15.58.05 # wps > recording (_maybe_ ) 15.58.05 Join perl|work [0] (n=jacquesc@static-64-61-105-170.isp.broadviewnet.net) 15.58.09 # pressing select on a file in the browser and not starting playback would be quite weird 15.58.20 # * JdGordon agrees 15.58.20 # bluebrother: true :) 15.58.38 # but it could start in the background :) 15.58.40 # _but_ you could just create a new playlist, start playback (like it currently does) and _not_ switch to wps 15.58.47 # <|Rincewind|> having buttons on the player and not using them to navigate quickly would be a waste 15.58.54 # that might make pretty much sense as well. 15.59.16 # way too many points to argue on in the patch :p 15.59.29 # |Rincewind|: I just think that navigation should be more unifform 15.59.52 # so, the screens could only change by play (always to wps), menu (always to the menu) 16.00.14 # select always selects, and all other screens are accessible through the new Rockbox menu 16.00.25 # <|Rincewind|> I'm ok with uniformism: PLAY -> WPS, MENU -> root menu, SELECT -> browser/database -- from everywhere 16.00.32 # bluebrother: and play in the WPS goes back to the previous screen? 16.00.44 # no play would pause then 16.00.46 # with perhaps adding an additioinal shortcut to the recording screen for devices that have a dedicated recording button 16.01.01 # no, as play is also pause we would need to make an exception here and use select for that 16.01.10 # and the Gigabeat select pauses 16.01.10 # s/and/on/ 16.01.39 # There are more exceptions on certain targets 16.01.54 # how do you go back to the browser on the gigabeat then? 16.02.25 # bluebrother: with the same button as you use to enter it (power button) 16.02.45 # which might be changed to be the 'a' button 16.03.33 # hmm. Makes sense, but not for targets that label the play button play/pause 16.04.39 # yes, the labels force you to use the buttons in some ways 16.04.56 # <|Rincewind|> I don't think we should stick to the labels, because the Hxx doesn't have a menu button, so we would have no way to enter the root menu... 16.05.25 # true 16.05.37 # the h100 has a menu button -- the one we currently use 16.05.43 # labelled "mode" iirc 16.06.14 # we should stick to the buttons where it makes sense, and if the play button is labelled play/pause we should use that button to pause playback 16.06.21 # <|Rincewind|> yes, but mode isn't the same as menu, and in the OF the menu was on long select if I remember correctly 16.06.25 # everything else would just confuse the users 16.06.49 # h3x0 OF uses REC longpress for its 'root' menu 16.07.08 # we don't have any "mode" function, so I think it's perfectly ok to reuse that button for menu 16.07.09 # i don't think you should follow OF keybinds blindly 16.07.19 # * bluebrother agrees 16.07.44 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 16.07.54 # we should follow it where it makes sense for users. The most important will be play / pause / stop 16.08.24 # why is stop really needed?? 16.08.35 # <|Rincewind|> Not using the play/pause button for something more useful in a non-WPS screen just because it is labeled play/pause is a case of "following blindly" for me 16.09.12 # I'm not speaking of a screen where it makes sense to reuse that button. 16.09.17 Quit perplexity ("Check out my rear window") 16.09.32 # I'm speaking of screens where we currently don't use it otherwise (like the menu) and wps 16.10.22 # can we change the rockbox logo to use a different not so it is easier to make a icon out of it? :D 16.10.46 # having playback control when _not_ in a WPS is a must... I even miss volume control :/ 16.11.01 # i moved volume control to the quick screen, yay me 16.11.24 # * JdGordon thinks the quickscreen is next to get overhauled after this 16.12.00 # petur: the Gigabeat has dedicated volume buttons which we would like to be able to use from all screens to change the volume 16.12.19 # I can understand that 16.12.41 # but for some plugins it's nice to reuse them 16.12.50 # that seems sort of hard unless you change the volume from the button driver 16.12.53 # ok, im going to bed... if anything is agreed on while im sleeping put it in the fs page pls 16.13.05 # the root menu should be designed to work with a minimal set of buttons common to all targets. shortcuts could be added for each target depending on button availability 16.13.21 # ^ speaks the truth 16.13.39 # * |Rincewind| agrees with this 16.13.45 Quit JdGordon (Remote closed the connection) 16.13.57 # i'm not sure what those minimal set would be. maybe left, right, menu, up, down? 16.14.08 # I think we need a UI dictator, that listens to people and the does exactly what (s)he wants :-) 16.14.24 # the problem is no buttons are common to all targets :) 16.14.41 # n1s: a dictator doesn't listen to people :p 16.14.43 # LinusN is a good dictator I think 16.14.54 # <|Rincewind|> left, right, up, down and one menu button should be possible on every target 16.14.56 # for example ipods only have left, right, menu, play, and the wheel which no one else has 16.15.01 # petur: what's "verlicht despoot" in english? 16.15.11 # * n1s agrees with barrywardell too and think what you enter with right should be exitable with left... 16.15.13 # no idea ;) 16.15.31 # petur: ok, but I want's one that pretends to listen! :-P 16.16.05 # n1s: what about the WPS? 16.16.15 # Mikachu: but scroll=up/down, left=left, right=right, menu=menu 16.17.47 # markun: well, that is a special case, left and right have some very logical functions there, but entering the filebrowser with right, makes me want to leave with left :-) 16.18.21 # n1s: I know, but because of the WPS I thought maybe we shouldn't do that 16.19.31 # markun: i don't like having left doing nothing in what will appear as menus to most users... 16.19.53 # I mean it will exit the regular menus but not browsers.. 16.20.20 # it will not exit in from the settings menu either 16.20.26 # -in 16.20.33 # * petur gets the feeling we can get rid of the A-B menu button on h3x0 and re-use it for something else :) 16.21.10 # but then you can't access settings from the filebrowser as they're mapped next to each other 16.21.34 # markun so the menu is enter with right and your trapped (evil laughter)? yes I know you get back with the menu button but you can't go up one lvel 16.21.52 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 16.22.02 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 16.22.23 # petur: it will require some more navigation yes 16.22.32 # n1s: yes, it's a trap :) 16.23.10 # but so is the WPS 16.23.48 # If we leave left doing nothing, I personally think right shouldn't do anything either and all 'enter' actions will be done with the select button, (if we have one) 16.24.03 # petur: who do you want to go to the menu without the mode button? 16.24.16 # couldn't right insert a song into playlist and select just play it? 16.24.18 # n1s: also in the settings menu? 16.24.47 # ANd then we could support skipping songs when not in the WPS on targets with loads of buttons (insane laughter) 16.24.55 # I think we are trying to change too many things at the same time :) or is it a good time to do so? 16.25.45 # markun: it seems strange to me having right entering and left doing nothing, that is my problem, and I think it would be confusing 16.27.44 # n1s: maybe we should ask JdGordon to implement it this way and try it 16.29.37 # It is a difficult decition to make in a large group with lots of oppinions involved, so I think that we will not really get anywhere unless someone just decides something, maybe Jdgordon should make the call... 16.31.47 # now that you mention of buttons... we should utilize the record button on iriver H100/H300 16.32.13 # and oh please remove that awfull splash message when you press left on a setting screen 16.32.56 # Left should accept instead of cancel 16.33.00 # yes we probably should but it is a similarly difficult thing to decide anything with buttons involved is just ewww 16.33.02 # Then the splash would go 16.33.07 # I agree with amiconn 16.33.16 # it was way better with the old behaviour 16.33.16 # amiconn: I agree with you there 16.33.21 # faster and more consistent 16.33.23 # and I would like splashes to go away when a button is pressed 16.33.24 # It was like this for ages 16.34.09 # cancel should be the stop button not the left 16.34.22 # yes, exactly 16.34.49 # the most annoying thing is when I just go to a setting to see a value, then I press left to leave and get the annoying cancel message 16.34.58 # hehe, now tagcache is endianess-independent :) 16.35.08 # and no, it is not consistent to press right to leave a setting screen 16.35.27 # It doesn't hurt though 16.35.33 # yeah 16.35.50 # both can be there 16.36.33 # On the recorder there used to be 3 'aceept' buttons for settings 16.36.39 # Left, Right and Play 16.37.00 # well it was something like that on H100 too, right? (left, right, navi (click)) 16.38.18 # Slasheri: good! 16.38.52 # XavierGr: Yes. Play on the recorder is where Navi is on the irivers, in the center of the cursor cross 16.39.44 Join mathgl [0] (n=mathgl@shm67-4-82-242-213-244.fbx.proxad.net) 16.44.58 Join theone [0] (i=180c4cca@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7f2d561eb6d1628a) 16.50.15 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 16.50.24 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 16.57.19 Join Paprica [0] (n=Paprica@84.229.143.41) 17.01.30 Quit petur ("stkov") 17.03.22 Join ackbahr_ [0] (n=ackbahr@d212-152-9-172.cust.tele2.ch) 17.04.17 Quit ackbahr_ (Client Quit) 17.07.37 Join ackbahr_ [0] (n=ackbahr@d212-152-9-172.cust.tele2.ch) 17.07.59 # how do you dispose of li-poly batteries? 17.11.48 Join [toffe] [0] (n=[toffe]@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 17.12.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.15.28 Quit ^BeN^ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.16.09 Quit printfXh4 (No route to host) 17.25.28 Join printfXh4 [0] (n=pseudo@62.215.85.167) 17.27.13 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 17.27.20 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 17.27.37 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@unaffiliated/youceye) 17.27.43 # how do you dispose of li-poly batteries? 17.28.16 # a fire ;D 17.28.50 # that was a joke. don't actually throw it in a fire 17.31.42 # i'm almost tempted to open up my gigabeat hard drive and check how many read heads it has 17.32.04 # oops wrong channel 17.32.10 Part Phalangees ("Leaving") 17.33.08 Quit YouCeyE (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.35.51 # fire it is 17.41.34 Quit theone ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.41.34 Quit ackbahr_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.41.36 Quit mathgl ("Quitte") 17.42.37 Join fasmaie [0] (n=yohann@cpe-65-24-91-175.columbus.res.rr.com) 18.01.01 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.03.53 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A96E90.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.07.32 # hmm. Rolo-ing seems not to save the settings 18.07.37 # is that intended? 18.08.12 Join dune2 [0] (n=dune2@LNeuilly-152-21-109-180.w193-253.abo.wanadoo.fr) 18.10.34 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.11.24 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@unaffiliated/youceye) 18.12.18 Quit BigBambi ("Leaving") 18.17.18 Part fasmaie 18.17.42 Quit YouCeyE (Remote closed the connection) 18.25.14 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@unaffiliated/youceye) 18.28.13 Quit YouCeyE (Client Quit) 18.39.16 Join RedLeg [0] (n=waca-wac@12.36.173.228) 18.39.21 Quit dpassen1 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 18.39.21 # Greetings.... 18.40.39 # Can anyone answer a simple question about the ipod bootloader for rockbox? 18.41.44 # not as long as you didn't asked 18.42.04 # simple rule: just ask, if someone can answer your question you'll get an answer. 18.42.42 # OK, thanks... 18.43.41 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 18.43.44 # Currently the bootloader defaults to loading RockBox, and falls back to the original firmware of RockBox is not found, or if (in my case) menu is held while booting. Is tere a way to bame the bootloader load the original firmware by default? 18.43.57 # No. 18.43.59 # no. 18.44.08 # and thrice no 18.44.09 # Well, that was simple.... 8-) 18.44.14 # it's the rockbox bootloader and thus not wanted 18.44.25 # It becomes more complicated if you're willing to compile you own bootloader. ;) 18.44.43 # is compiling that complicated? ;-) 18.45.08 # but, if you compile the bootloader yourself you could change that behaviour 18.45.13 # No, but you do have to make a small change to a single source file, and some people feel that 'programming', no matter how minute an amount, is 'complicate' :) 18.45.24 # hehe 18.45.28 # If I recall you can change the behaviour from setting a == to a != 18.45.35 # but programming is fun ... :D 18.45.43 # AH... well, I have had the cross-compile environment going in the past, but that was for my original Archos..... I don't suppose the iPod would be that different? 18.45.53 # Not really, no. 18.46.03 # OK.. I may look into that. 18.46.12 # The only difference is that instead of the sh GCC, you set up an arm GCC. 18.46.48 # Does anyone have any experience with the ipodlinux bootloader and loading RB? It purports to support a boot menu.... 18.48.10 # Generally speaking, support for iPodLinux's loader comes from the iPL guys. 18.48.34 # But yes, it is configurable and has a menu. You'll have to check their documentation for how, though. 18.49.27 # Understood.... but I'm wondering if it causes problems with loading RB. It claims to, but I really don't want to reload all this blasted music AGAIN due to problems.... 18.49.57 # iPL bootloader loads rockbox just fine 18.50.00 # You... shouldn't have needed to RE-load your music in the first place. 18.50.08 # rockbox just doesn't load fine on my 80GB yet 18.50.08 # :) 18.50.08 # whichever bootloader you go for is entirely independent of your music 18.50.28 # Except on HFS+ iPods, Rockbox's install is non-destructive to your music. 18.51.11 # I had some pretty severe HD corruption that I'm pretty sure was caused by a very weak battery. I've replaced it, reformatted everything and things _seem_ OK now.... 18.51.17 # Ah 18.52.00 # That's a troubleshooting FAQ that I wish were more emphasized: If you're having what _seems_ to be HD problems, try replacing the battery.... 18.52.54 # In any case, thanks for the help, and for all the work on the project. 18.53.08 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust351.brig.cable.ntl.com) 18.53.12 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@cpc2-nfds9-0-0-cust419.lei3.cable.ntl.com) 18.53.26 Quit RedLeg ("Leaving") 18.54.16 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.54.30 Quit barrywardell (Remote closed the connection) 18.54.31 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 19.04.26 # Hmm.... 19.04.52 # libmad0 and libmad0-dev packages do exist on debian-amd64 19.05.07 # * amiconn wonders whether those packages have the 64 bit issues fixed 19.05.28 # * amiconn installs libmad0-dev 19.05.57 Quit lost|X40 ("Leaving") 19.07.13 Quit crwl ("WeeChat 0.2.2") 19.11.16 Part Llorean 19.11.29 Join crwl [0] (n=crawlie@a88-114-143-192.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 19.12.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.13.47 Quit Siku (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.15.40 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m204.net81-65-15.noos.fr) 19.16.44 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 19.17.29 # nothing :( 19.18.32 Join Soul-Slayer [0] (n=jonno@89.242.15.168) 19.22.17 Join Siku [0] (n=Siku@f303b.w3.tontut.fi) 19.27.36 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@81.168.41.8) 19.34.28 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 19.36.41 Join directhex [0] (n=directhe@bb-87-82-2-184.ukonline.co.uk) 19.36.51 Join CriamosAndy [0] (n=Criamos@p54931DD1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.37.03 # markun, is it me, or does the remote on the gigabeat behave rather oddly when the main player hold switch is enabled? 19.38.03 Join rotator [0] (n=e@rockbox/developer/rotator) 19.44.01 # http://download.rockbox.org/cygwin/ on this page http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment does not seem to work does it need updating for svn? 19.47.39 # arrrrghh!! 19.48.31 # The bitstream functions in libmad are written in a way that makes them break if 'long' isn't a 32 bit datatype 19.48.52 Quit dune2 ("Leaving") 19.50.35 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 19.51.37 Quit Thundercloud (Connection timed out) 19.55.08 Quit Criamos (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.57.12 Join madduck [0] (n=madduck@debian/developer/madduck) 19.57.44 # i enabled the database index auto-update and i also initialised it by hand on my iAudio X5 19.57.58 # yet when i go from an album to the artist dir, it takes between 2 and 5 seconds 19.58.04 # any idea why? 19.58.36 # also, when in the playback window and i tap "next", it takes about 1-2 seconds for the next song to start, the current one will still be playing during that time. 19.59.54 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 20.00.19 Quit darkless ("Leaving") 20.00.19 # madduck: you need to load database to disk, dircache is good to enable also 20.00.20 # and entering the recoding screen actually freezes the device after the microphone has been turned on. 20.00.27 # *to ram 20.00.32 # madduck: sounds like it takes some time to spin up the disk, try enabling the "Load to RAM" setting for the database, or set the disk spindown higher, (will kill batterytime) 20.00.36 # i have enabled it to be loaded into ram 20.00.50 # * amiconn blames preglow for the non-working libmad on amd64 20.01.13 Join sbeh [0] (i=sbeh@serverstaff.de) 20.01.16 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 20.01.28 # preglow: You committed Antonius' libmad optimisations - which are breaking libmad on amd64 20.01.33 # how do i turn on dirindex? 20.01.39 # sorry, dircache 20.02.25 # ah ,found it 20.03.17 # much better! 20.03.28 Join ender1 [0] (n=ender@84-255-206-8.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) 20.03.42 # now how can i get rid of the 1 second delay when tapping next? 20.04.27 # preglow: FS #5219, namely the huffman decoder optimisations 20.07.37 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@unaffiliated/youceye) 20.13.45 # madduck: put the anti-skip buffer to its maximum 20.13.56 # to 10min. or something like that 20.14.55 # okay, that fixed it, but why??? 20.15.12 # that delay is caused because disk has to spin up 20.16.07 # setting anti skip buffer to 10 minutes keeps always 10 minutes worth of data in ram, very nice with crossfade especially 20.19.19 # alright... 20.19.39 # so for my last question of the day: how can i coerce the thing into recording? right now, it just freezes... 20.19.51 # i have no idea 20.19.58 # it should work fine 20.20.00 Join mattzz [0] (n=mattzz@e177166068.adsl.alicedsl.de) 20.20.31 # Otoh a high anti-skip buffer setting wastes battery, because rockbox is forced to rebuffer earlier 20.20.35 Quit ender` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.20.41 Join phil_munich [0] (i=55b51144@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9a45746109de229d) 20.21.45 # amiconn: that depends, skipping often reduces that effect 20.22.36 # it would be nice to measure that how much buffer size affects to battery time 20.22.36 # so if i never skip, does it drain the battery? 20.22.42 # there is a limit somewhere 20.22.53 # it could drain it little faster 20.22.54 # i would think that if i never skip, battery is actually conserved, cause the disk only has to spin up once every, say 9 minutes. 20.22.58 # hi! is there anyone, wo could tell me how to change the range of scanning on an rockbox iriver h320? 20.23.20 # madduck: nope, increasing that setting causes disk to spin more often 20.23.25 # ehm.. i mean the range of the fm radio 20.23.33 # Slasheri: why? 20.23.42 # that makes no sense! 20.23.46 Quit YouCeyE (Remote closed the connection) 20.23.49 # madduck: because not the full buffer capacity is used 20.24.01 # only the capacity - 10min. is used for example 20.24.09 # madduck, say there is space in the buffer for 20 mins - setting antiskip to 10 mins means a spin up every 10 mins. Setting it to 5 mins givs a spin up every 15 mins 20.24.10 Quit Rondom (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.24.29 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A97FE3.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.24.32 # phil_munich: You change the FM region setting in the radio settings. 20.24.36 # ah, i thought antiskip == buffer size 20.24.51 # as the buffer is refilled when there is the amount set by the anti skip left in it 20.25.09 # jhMikeS: happy mornin' 20.25.15 # so longer anti-skip = more left unused in the buffer when it is refilled 20.25.27 # madduck: buffer size is fixed to the available amount of free memory 20.25.32 # makes sense now 20.25.47 # antiskip sets the buffer margins 20.26.27 # * linuxstb likes the latest root menu 20.27.53 # * BigBambi too 20.29.04 # Slasheri: Skipping often may reduce the effect, but it will never get negative 20.29.05 # is the root menu stuff still only on FS or have I missed it? 20.29.27 # hcs: Still on flyspray. 20.29.28 # FS 20.29.40 # If (and only if) you *always* skip before the buffer gets below margin, the effect is zero 20.29.58 # * amiconn skips perhaps every 50th track or even less often 20.30.17 # amiconn: true, but probably that effect is quite small with there large buffers 20.30.29 # *these 20.30.33 # hcs: hello :) I'm putting the coldfire asm in now. 20.31.31 # hehe, i skip more often, everytime the database shuffles a bad track ;) 20.31.46 # 10 minutes is almost the complete buffer size with vbr --preset standard mp3 on X5 and H100/H110. (half the buffer size on H120+ / H300) 20.31.55 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) 20.32.05 # I wouldn't say that's a small effect 20.32.12 # amiconn: there is a limit that at the maximum half of the buffer capacity is used by the antiskip buffer 20.32.32 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 20.33.46 # i still dont see why it would have a significant effect 20.34.17 # jhMikeS: coldfire asm or the general purpose FRACMUL stuff? 20.34.18 # Half the buffer size -> twice as many spinups over time 20.34.47 Quit thegeek () 20.35.08 # that too 20.37.27 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s026b.studby.ntnu.no) 20.39.40 # will rockbox ever support USB mode while continuing to play? 20.40.18 # no 20.40.35 # USB mode implies there are changes happening to the filesystem 20.42.15 # sure, but why would that disturb rockbox? 20.42.28 Join Thundercloud__ [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.195.137) 20.42.28 # if i delete the song it's playing, fair enough. 20.42.33 # but if i just add more music?? 20.42.56 # it can destory file system 20.42.58 # you can't tell, when something else is writing to the hard drive you must abandon all hope 20.43.38 # this is VFAT, no? even windows can deal with it... or is the USB layer not a part of rockbox? 20.44.17 Quit phil_munich ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 20.44.28 # I have no idea what you mean by ' even windows can deal with it.' 20.44.34 # amiconn: lets think that iriver could have something like a 6000 mWh capacity battery and one spinup (2A, 2s) consumes 1 mWh of energy at maximum while full buffering takes something like 5 mWh (30s) and half buffering 3 mWh (15s) with spin-up energy included. So increasing that anti-skip buffer to its maximum adds something like 1 mWh/spinup at maximum 20.44.37 # is rockbox an OS of its own or based on a *nix system? 20.44.48 # OS of its own 20.45.00 # ah, okay. 20.45.14 # then it's probably a design "limitation" i guess. 20.45.24 # one question 20.45.39 # don't get me wrong, i am not dizzing it, it saves my day all the time! :) 20.45.52 # is there any firmware to any player that allows you to modify file system on computer when you're playing music ? 20.46.56 # madduck: what you are asking is impossible on most of our targets where USB communication is handeled in hardware 20.48.21 # on some targets where USB (probably will be) handeled in software, it could theoretically be possible but would be a major pain to create, and USB in rockbox is not supported at all on any of those targets yet 20.48.59 # amiconn: ups, just forget those previous calculations, there was a mistake. 20.51.59 # amiconn: one spinup 4mWh, 30s buffering 15+4, 15s buffering 7.5+4 20.52.17 # added env_rates to IRAM as well...makes 7% speedup 20.52.50 # nice 20.52.57 # and battery capacity 7 Wh (1900 mAh battery) 20.55.54 # amiconn: so if nothing else would consume energy, one could do raw buffering over 3h with normal buffer size compared to over 2.5h with half of the buffer size 20.59.05 # n1s: yes, it makes sense if USB and rockbox are in the same ring 21.01.53 # thanks guys for a very fruitful half an hour! :) 21.01.56 Part madduck 21.04.03 Quit robin0800 ("Take my advise. I don't use it anyway") 21.04.53 Quit Thundercloud_ (Connection timed out) 21.05.53 Join l33ch [0] (i=9ec3654a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5d8e1b70c246c298) 21.06.02 # hi all :) 21.06.43 Join mathgl [0] (n=mathgl@shm67-4-82-242-213-244.fbx.proxad.net) 21.06.46 # i have question ... how is working this dual booting on iRiver H10 ? :D 21.08.20 # I did everything what was written on web 21.08.54 # but after i turn on player i don't see choice which firmware to load :) 21.09.32 # is it in preparing state or is anybody whom is this great oportunity working ? :P 21.11.37 # l33ch: did you read this? http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h10_5gb/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-220003.1.2 21.11.50 # Febs: darn it - I was just typing that too! 21.12.04 # :) 21.12.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.13.07 # I'll just make it easy :P Hold down the 'Cancel' button after turning it on 21.13.14 # thx guys 21.13.14 # Will boot into OF 21.13.20 # i gonna check it :) 21.13.23 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@m145.net195-132-203.noos.fr) 21.14.10 # Then you need to reset the player to get back to rockbox (Either remove the battery and replace it on the 5/6gB, or press the reset button on the 20gB) 21.14.34 # it's working 21.14.46 # this cancel button :) 21.15.05 # guys you are awesome :) today mp3 h10 6gb arrived 21.15.21 # and now i'm happy :) 21.15.29 # Great :). 21.18.36 # now only thing i wanna is to implement or just patch for .cuesheet files and then i'll be in heaven ;-) it's all what i miss on another mp3 players 21.19.27 # I have just learnt how to patch myself, could make you a build if you wish :p./ 21.21.43 # i tried it before 21.21.50 # with this debian image 21.22.19 # Any luck? 21.22.30 # i wanted to build normal version 21.22.37 # but there were errors 21.22.43 # Normal builds are downloadable from the site itself 21.22.47 # i then compiled new gcc 21.22.51 # 4.0.3 21.23.07 # but not with this cuesheet support 21.23.07 # there's a new vmware image with 4.0.3 21.23.16 # yeah ? 21.23.29 # i go check ... is there a link ? 21.23.35 # same place as before 21.24.01 # mikachu.rockbox.org/Debian-4.7z iirc 21.24.28 # but if you already compiled 4.0.3 yourself, not much point 21.25.55 # please try not to use "multi-segmented" downloading... 21.26.12 # ups 21.26.18 # 33 seconds left 21.26.55 # done 21.26.57 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 21.27.15 # sorry did it problem to you ? 21.27.23 # no, it's just bad in general 21.27.29 Quit Kingsqueak (Remote closed the connection) 21.27.40 # doing my part to help the internet 21.27.54 # i notice it for next time 21.28.45 # dan_a: Any news on the KoCOP :)? I can't imagine it's too far from SVN now (After testing on all targets and repairing the 'Recording' function) 21.28.58 Join decayedcell_ [0] (n=decayed_@ppp69-55.lns1.mel4.internode.on.net) 21.30.45 # Soul-Slayer: No news - I've had lots of real life to deal with lately. I have a suspicion as to what is breaking recording (if it's not cache synchronisation with the codec thread, which it isn't, then it's probably IRAM use) but I've not done a test for that. I'm having a couple of nights off, but I'll get back to it later in the week. 21.30.58 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.76.158) 21.32.33 # Soul-Slayer: Can I ask you to patch the latest source with this cuesheet patch and build it ? :D 21.32.53 # l33ch: Certainly, any other patches? 21.34.33 # do you recomend any others ? 21.35.34 # Well, as I was just discussing, the KoCOP patch makes use of the H10s coprocessor, which can increase performance. If you use Rockbox's recording feature however it will make things harder for you, as it doesn't work with the patch implemented 21.35.49 # however, as you have dual booting set up, there shouldn't be a problem as you can use the recording from the OF if you need to 21.37.15 # tomorrow i'll go to security conference so i use this original recording feature 21.37.32 # to have sure to be recorded :) 21.37.48 # but if there exists some performace patch 21.37.53 # so why not use them :) 21.38.36 # Currently the recording feature is a little tempremental on Rockbox in my eyes, after recording you have to reset the player in order to listen to songs and so forth, may be worth waiting for recording to get fixed up properly before you rely on Rockboxs recording feature anyhow ^^ 21.38.49 # I'll put the KoCOP patch in and if you don't like it, tell me and I can make one without for you ^^ 21.39.47 # please don't forget on this cuesheet patch :) 21.39.50 # thanks in advance 21.39.56 # Already in there ^^ 21.41.34 Part decayedcell_ 21.42.01 # then let me know from where I can download :) 21.42.19 # Will do - Just compiling as we speak. 21.42.24 # if there is anything with i can help you with tell me :) 21.42.41 # The satisfaction of making someones life a little easier is all I need :p 21.43.28 # Seeing as I don't have the knowledge to actively help in developing Rockbox, I may aswell use the knowledge I do have ^^ 21.45.58 # are you using the cue sheet patch with the album art one? 21.46.16 # I haven't included the album art patch, no. 21.46.23 # aha 21.46.32 # Should I? 21.46.45 # they dont compile together 21.46.54 # Ah, okay. 21.46.58 # I shall take that as a No then :p. 21.47.30 # take it as No :) 21.48.48 # I don't have any cuesheets to test with, I'll upload it and hopefully it will work :p. 21.49.05 # i can check it right now :) 21.49.11 # Okay :). 21.51.13 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 21.51.21 # http://Jonno.4shared.com/ 21.51.46 # http://www.4shared.com/file/10570630/501de039/rockbox.html 21.51.47 # Direct link :$ 21.52.11 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 21.54.48 Quit Thundercloud__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.55.07 # now i copy t player 21.55.11 # I believe you need to enable cuesheet support in 'General Settings -> Playback -> Cuesheet Support -> On' once you have it copied on 21.55.11 # Yes 21.57.18 # please reboot to enable 21.57.32 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=CuesheetSupport for more information - The patch implementation uses "the amarok way" 21.57.35 # mikachu: what do you think about a delay when going above 0db volume to use the +6 as a 'boost' so that the user wouldn't accidently blow up their ears 21.57.39 # Just turn the player off and on again 21.57.42 # maybe a useless idea .... 21.58.26 # w1ll14m: Maybe even before that, even 0 is pretty loud 21.58.56 # soul-slayer indeed.... but you can choose where 'boost' starts 21.59.18 # some sort of are you shure you wan't to go louder ? 21.59.49 # Perhaps not quite like that, for that could get a little annoying... Perhaps something in options to cap the volume? 21.59.54 # this cuesheet is working :) 21.59.58 # Great :). 22.00.14 # soul-slayer: it can be set as an option which you can enable or not.... 22.00.17 # thx you are my man of the day :) 22.00.29 Join ackbahr [0] (n=ackbahr@d212-152-9-172.cust.tele2.ch) 22.00.29 # Glad I could be of assistance. 22.01.02 # w1ll14m: Fair enough, but rather than a warning, why not an explicit cap? 22.01.27 Join Thundercloud__ [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.203.182) 22.02.17 Quit mathgl ("Quitte") 22.02.23 # i use koss stereophones so i can relugate volume in wire :) 22.02.24 Quit _Veseliq_ (Remote closed the connection) 22.02.52 # where can i notice better performance now ? :D 22.02.58 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-85be663cb116ba66) 22.03.03 # is there any plugin on which i can test it :) 22.03.12 # soul-slayer: hmm because sometimes there is a nice part in a song... that's where the cap is unwanted 22.03.38 # i mean a nice part, that is a lot less loud than the rest of the son 22.03.40 # g 22.03.52 # sorry for the english ;) 22.04.02 # Well, for instance, playing games whilst listening to music without the patch could cause the game to slow down, it shouldn't do so quite so much with the patch implemented 22.04.04 # for mine too :) 22.04.33 # l33ch: what is your target? 22.04.35 # w1ll14m: In which case, you could turn the cap off and have unrestricted control to volume still 22.04.47 # soul-slayer: true 22.05.07 # but then you would have to go to menu's 22.05.10 # and change it. 22.05.30 # my idea is to let the user scroll for 1 sec more, then it would enter 'boost' mode 22.05.34 # w1ll14m: if you mean my mp3 player ? I own iRiver H10 :) 22.05.37 # Why can't you simply just not turn the volume up? 22.05.40 # l33ch: ok 22.05.51 # linuxstb_: i agree ;) 22.06.03 # this was probably a stupid idea.... 22.06.06 # Thirded. How did the debate start? :p. 22.07.31 Quit Thundercloud_ (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 22.07.38 Join dpassen1 [0] (n=dpassen1@resnet-236-163.resnet.UMBC.EDU) 22.07.38 # Anyhow. Glad I could help l33ch, I shall be back soon. 22.07.51 # w1ll14m: why're you asking me? 22.08.26 Join Winchester345 [0] (n=Administ@c211-28-56-7.frank1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 22.09.07 # mikachu: i thougt 'll just ask mikachu no spectaculair reason 22.09.54 # sorry for the english ;) 22.10.00 # what english? :P 22.10.14 # spectaculair i think i wrote it wrong ;) 22.10.42 # i know 22.10.42 # 'morning 22.10.46 Quit l33ch ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 22.11.20 # if I writ a plug in..... do I put the c file in SOURCES or is it possible to compile the .rock file by itself ? 22.11.25 # *write 22.11.38 # You need to add it to SOURCES. 22.11.42 # it would be nice if you could write "make foobar.rock" like in linux, but i don't think you can 22.12.18 # Feel free to add it... ;) 22.12.33 # ok.... and... does that add it to the menu or does the menu scan all the .rock files int he plugin folder? 22.12.37 # *in the 22.12.46 # The "menu" is a file browser. 22.13.09 # Rockbox lacks an internal scripting language! LOL 22.13.23 # ah..... didn't think of it that way... but evidently it is 22.13.26 # do stuff like the TI calculators 22.13.41 # I've been considering putting something like that together 22.13.57 # scripting capabilities? 22.13.57 # I've even got a pun on BASIC for the name: LITHIC 22.14.07 Join shayx [0] (n=shay@unaffiliated/shay) 22.14.09 # well it would be sure nice to have one 22.14.20 # hello folks, I think that I screwed up an iPod 22.14.35 # like making sort programs that can do series of stuff on the fly 22.14.39 # trying to install a firmware with ipodpatcher, I guet this error 22.14.40 # [ERR] Firmware partition doesn't contain Apple copyright, aborting. 22.14.41 # [ERR] Failed to read firmware directory - nimages=0 22.14.54 # shayx: What kind of ipod? 22.14.57 # I just dd'ed and MBR image 22.15.13 # linuxstb_: hey there, remember me from yesterday? 22.15.33 # linuxstb_: it seems to be a 4th generation, 20G iPod (graysclale) 22.16.01 # Of course, is your MBR being written now? 22.16.19 # linuxstb_: just wrote it 22.16.24 # shay@virginia:~/temp/rockbox$ sudo dd if=mbr-4g-20gb.bin of=/dev/sda1 22.16.39 # So fdisk shows the partition table correctly? 22.17.04 # oh wait 22.17.10 # shayx: not sda1 22.17.12 # I think that I got the error 22.17.15 # sda 22.17.19 # I should dd to the 'root` partition 22.17.19 # right 22.17.22 # thanks Mikachu 22.17.36 # Questions to ipod users: what is the PLA_QUIT button in the sim? 22.17.38 # it's too bad you can't write the absence of a 1 with a large font 22.17.39 # shayx, i think you have damaged the firmware partition 22.17.51 Join fasmaie [0] (n=yohann@cpe-65-24-91-175.columbus.res.rr.com) 22.17.51 # Michacku: Read http://rainstorm.org/ipod/stats/ipodlinux.log-2007-02-13 from about 13:41 if you want Chapter One of shayx's problems. 22.18.08 # that's a new spelling 22.18.16 Part fasmaie 22.18.26 # w1ll14m: sod I do 22.18.28 # :) Web client's tab completion sucks... 22.18.31 # /clear 22.18.40 # w1ll14m: s/sod I do/So do I 22.18.47 # forget my lapsus mentis 22.18.56 # shayx: I thought you determined your HDD was read-only and you couldn't write the MBR to it. 22.19.14 # linuxstb_, Mikachu: I still get the same error 22.19.26 # did you copy the firmware partition to sda1 again? 22.19.29 # Is there any way to fix a damaged firmware partition? 22.19.46 # shayx: Is your partition table correct? You can't do anything without that... 22.19.52 # dd a image from ipod firmware 22.20.07 # Mikachu: tried to, got the same error 22.20.44 # shayx: can you use itunes to recover your ipod ? 22.20.45 # "fdisk -l" shows the followin: 22.20.46 # /dev/sda1 1 5 40131 0 Empty 22.20.47 # /dev/sda2 6 2431 19486845 b W95 FAT32 22.20.59 # Then that's perfect - just do what I suggested yesterday. 22.21.03 # not really, I don't have any windows computer 22.21.12 # just a sec..... 22.21.20 # * shayx checks the log 22.21.27 # get your firmware here: http://www.felixbruns.de/iPod/firmware/ 22.21.35 # it a zipped file, unzip it 22.22.00 Quit ackbahr (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.22.09 # great, I'll check it out 22.22.26 # shayx: then dd Firmware-10.3.1.1 to /dev/sda1 22.22.37 # i thougt that was the way to restore you fw partition 22.22.40 # it's a binary file 22.22.49 # it's a binary zip 22.23.01 # if you extract it you will get two files 22.23.07 # w1ll14m: okay, I'll try, thanks 22.23.23 # then I'll be able to install Rockbox's firmware? 22.23.31 # iPod_10.3.1.1.ipsw contains 2 files: manifest.plist and Firmware-10.3.1.1 22.23.38 # then dd Firmware-10.3.1.1 to sda1 22.23.57 # than you would have the apple copyright again 22.24.12 # it it has written well to sda1 22.24.27 # and indeed then you should beable to use ipod patcher again 22.24.32 Join ackbahr [0] (n=ackbahr@d212-152-9-172.cust.tele2.ch) 22.24.58 # excellent 22.25.08 # I am also interested on join the development of Rockbox 22.25.14 # I have a device that is not supported 22.25.28 # which device is it ? 22.25.31 # a Creative Nomad Jukebox Xtra (60 Gigas) 22.25.50 # creative, i think you have to forget....... but you can try :) 22.26.12 # creative devices are difficould to port... as far as i know 22.26.14 # it has a rare processor, I have some experience with cross-compiling and embbeded development 22.26.31 # shayx: Here's our "guide" for new ports - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort 22.26.33 # you will need a cross compiler fot that processor 22.26.46 # w1ll14m: guessed so 22.26.47 # linuxstb_: thanks 22.26.55 # shayx: :) 22.26.59 # What processor has it got? 22.28.42 # give me a sec, I'll finish installing this firmware to the iPod and I'll tell you all the research I've done so far 22.28.58 # I'll upload all the links I found on the device to my del.icio.us account 22.29.13 # could be a tms320 family 22.29.31 # * Bagder guesses 22.29.32 # Bagder: in fact, it is 22.29.38 # hehe 22.29.45 # what do I win? ;-) 22.29.49 # It's a tms[something] 22.29.53 # Then archopen.org is your friend. 22.30.01 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TexasInstrumentsTMS320 22.30.04 # (or at least, their source code) 22.30.07 # w1ll14m: the tried the 4.* and the 10.* firmwares, either of them work 22.30.17 # linuxstb_: I'm writing that down 22.30.21 # Bagder: you win an opportunity to be the first to port rockbox to it :-P 22.30.28 # yay 22.30.59 # shayx: did you unzipped those files ? 22.31.01 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 22.31.06 # i know a guy at TI. in the calculator software division, but he might know a guy who could be useful 22.31.09 # w1ll14m: sure I ded 22.31.10 # did 22.31.19 Join Kingsqueak [0] (n=who@68.38.166.84) 22.31.21 Quit ackbahr (Remote closed the connection) 22.31.24 # shayx: then i'm out of ideas ;) 22.31.35 Join ackbahr [0] (n=ackbahr@d212-152-9-172.cust.tele2.ch) 22.31.36 # try a friends computer to restore 22.31.44 # shayx: Did you also format the FAT32 partition? 22.31.46 # I'm willing to give access to a machine that is connected to the Nomad player, if he wants to join me on the development 22.31.46 # with mac or windows 22.31.57 # linuxstb_: no, on the firmware partition? 22.32.05 Part Kingsqueak 22.32.14 # No, "mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/sda2" 22.32.15 # w1ll14m: I think that that's what I'll do, but I'll have to wait until tomorrow :( 22.32.24 Join Kingsqueak [0] (n=who@68.38.166.84) 22.32.36 # shayx: that sucks :( 22.33.09 # linuxstb_: same error icon :/ 22.33.56 # What does ipodpatcher say now? 22.34.09 # It should tell you if your firmware image is OK. 22.34.23 # linuxstb_: should I --scan or try to patch the rockbox firmware? 22.34.43 # Try "ipodpatcher /dev/sda --list" 22.34.58 # great, now it found the device 22.34.59 # [INFO] Scanning disk devices... 22.34.59 # [INFO] Ipod found - 4th Generation ("winpod") - /dev/sda 22.35.08 # even if the firmware doesn't really works 22.35.38 # That means that (at least as far as ipodpatcher is concerned), the firmware partition looks OK. You could try installing the Rockbox bootloader and see what happens. 22.36.02 # I should use the /dev/sda or the /dev/sda1 device node? 22.36.24 # The device is optional. Just do "ipodpatcher --install" 22.37.02 # [INFO] Wrote 3563520 bytes to firmware partition 22.37.02 # [INFO] Bootloader installed successfully. 22.37.07 # I like those messages. :-) 22.37.19 # I started to forget how fun is to work with embedded 22.37.39 # sucks, same error icon 22.37.46 # (used ipodpatcher --install) 22.38.00 # It's definitely a greyscale ipod? 22.38.26 # yes 22.38.29 # for sure 22.38.49 # what about the mbr-4g-20gb.bin file? 22.38.58 # ipodpatcher identifies an ipod from the firmware image - so that means you've installed the 4g greyscale firmware image. 22.39.15 # I understand 22.39.15 # And yes, that MBR is from a 20GB greyscale. 22.39.30 # what might be the error? 22.39.33 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@rockbox/administrator/Llorean) 22.39.39 # it doesn't work with both rockbox and apple's firmware 22.40.36 # What exactly is the error screen? 22.40.53 # I'll find a screenshot on google, sec. 22.40.57 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.41.06 # After you install a new Firmware image, it should ask you to connect your ipod to a wall charger so it can update the flash contents. 22.41.16 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 22.41.17 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.41.56 # Any plugins that need verification? --> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoVerifyPlugins#List_of_plugins_currently_under 22.42.09 # (just a proposal) 22.44.18 # linuxstb_: http://www.ipodlinux.org/Image:Ipod_sw_error.gif 22.45.25 Part n1s 22.46.23 # shayx: Try writing the Firmware-X.Y.Z file to your ipod again, and check the Linux error logs for problems. 22.46.52 # I'm still not sure if I should use the 10.* or the 4.* firmware version. 22.47.01 # althought I tried both of them 22.47.34 # Are they different? 22.48.17 # I dont't know, I think that it deppends on the generation of the iPod 22.48.57 Quit mattzz ("Leaving") 22.49.20 # Just do a diff between them, or calculate their md5 checksums. 22.49.45 # the dd'ed partition of the firmware, (the firmware partition) is /dev/sda1, right? 22.49.55 # linuxstb_: diferent sizes, they're surely different. 22.50.08 # (didn't know that dd worked on binary files) 22.50.25 # err 22.50.28 # s/dd/diff/g 22.50.50 Join JustJohnny68 [0] (n=JustJohn@static-71-248-112-184.bltmmd.east.verizon.net) 22.51.35 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 22.51.52 Join RogerBacon [0] (n=carl@bas3-sherbrooke40-1177839878.dsl.bell.ca) 22.52.01 # oh wait, there's no difference between the Firmwares (10.* and 4.*) 22.53.48 Quit OgMaciel ("Ex-Chat") 22.54.14 # nothing seems to work... any other clues? 22.57.34 # Sorry, no. Does the ipod pass the diagnostics tests? 22.59.10 # last time I checked (yesterday) it did, let me check again. 22.59.26 Quit dpassen1 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 23.02.18 # sighs, doesnt want to enter diagnostics mode.. it jumps directly to the error icon... 23.02.26 # I need a cig, brb 23.02.30 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 23.02.31 Join dpassen1 [0] (n=dpassen1@resnet-236-163.resnet.UMBC.EDU) 23.02.37 # sometimes it just wants some charging 23.02.55 Quit ackbahr (Remote closed the connection) 23.03.26 # "Make database endianess independent." 23.03.35 # isn't "endianness" ? 23.03.39 Join ooAlexoo [0] (i=ooAlexoo@ajcc2.trin.cam.ac.uk) 23.03.56 # maybe it's a female endian 23.04.12 # or should we call them native emericans? 23.10.53 # back 23.12.24 # okay, it entered on diagnostics mode, any specific diagnotic I should do? 23.12.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.13.10 # Whatever you fancy... 23.16.22 Join safetydan [0] (i=cbca159f@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 23.17.46 Join p0lak [0] (i=p0lak@lgh7.fornfyndet.se) 23.20.44 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@unaffiliated/funky) 23.21.12 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=lostnihi@c-24-1-62-55.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 23.23.31 # if I have modified files in the rockbox folder.... running svn update replaces them with the latest files right? 23.23.46 # no 23.23.54 # it'll merge your changes with the new ones 23.24.01 # =) 23.24.19 Join webguest55 [0] (i=43bbe7a0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-53d595b66d673c1e) 23.24.25 # thanks 23.24.28 # @find rockbox 23.24.30 # hahah 23.24.34 # I know that don't work 23.24.46 # it did 23.24.49 # I saw it 23.25.04 # you found #rockbox! 23.25.07 # I wanted to know why rockbox freezes when certain songs are playing 23.25.41 # Which codec? What bitrate? Do they work ok on your computer? 23.26.08 # yea the songs work fine anywhere else and even with the reg, ipod firmare 23.26.15 # they are mp3 23.26.39 # I don't know the bitrate, my guess would be 128 bit 23.26.52 # So this happens with more than one song? 23.27.47 # yea, I don't recall which actual songs, but it does happen. nothing will work but the next song will come one and so on untill the folder is done 23.28.03 # So it skips the song? 23.28.12 # Which iPod do you have? 23.28.49 # nope, plays right through until the folder has no more songs. No functions work though and the screen is frozen. I use the 30Gig Video 23.29.12 Part perl|work 23.29.14 # Ahh I see, so it locks up your controls but still plays the songs? 23.29.21 # yep. 23.29.46 # i should have just said that huh? 23.30.05 # Have you tried using a different WPS? 23.30.12 # hm, on the Flash memory diagnostics, it gets stucks on one of the checksums, can be this a pointer to my problem? 23.30.42 # er 23.30.45 # ignore my comment.. 23.30.50 # I use the default rockbox theme with wps, just the backdrop is custom 23.31.09 # Could you try using the iCatcher theme, and playing a song again? 23.31.28 # i haven't seen this happen with anyother wps or theme. 23.32.11 # I'll change the theme right now and see what happens, give me a minute. 23.32.23 # Okay, to my knowledge (I haven't used it in some time) the Rockbox default theme uses peak meters, which always used to make my iriver H10 either stutter on music or lock up... I'm not sure if this got fixed or not, but it could be something to look into 23.33.10 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p5496541F.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.33.32 # there seemed to be agreement on a default without the peakmeter when it was brought up yesterday 23.34.11 # I too would agree with that 23.34.27 # I think that was it. nothing locks up, but now nothing shows in the wps. no music info or volume indicator. 23.34.35 # how does bmp2rb work for grayscale screens? do the images come out nicely shaded or does the bmp need to be made with the 3 shades to look right? 23.34.54 # I suggest you look around for themes people have made for your ipod and find a WPS that you like the look of :). 23.35.01 # Or even make your own to your needs 23.35.41 # yea I guess thats what I am going to have to do. thanks for your help. Also do you know why the battery dies really fast? 23.36.12 # webguest55, either your battery is old, or your using Rockbox on one of the targets that we haven't really got to grips with power saving on yet 23.36.40 # Number of things really, Rockbox isn't as optimised as it could be at the moment, also it could be equalisers, pitch settings, high volumes, all sorts of things have a factor 23.36.49 # the latter might be the problem because it's a new iPod 23.36.59 # Constantly using high consuming plugins like mpegplayer or doom and so forth 23.37.12 # That would be it then 23.37.32 # webguest55, well how fast is fast? At the moment I think battery life on iPod's under Rockbox is about 50% of what you would get under Apple's firmware 23.37.38 # i don't play games, i did see a setting in rockbox but didn't understand. batter limit or something like that. 23.37.58 # That is merely for approximating how much battery life remaining. 23.38.31 # batter capacity, what does this setting do if changed. right now it's on 1300 23.38.35 # that was default 23.38.40 # If you go into the Info screen, it will give you a % and an approximate time remaining, changing your battery size in the menu will just modify how it calculates that. 23.38.50 # webguest55, changes how long rockbox predicts your remaining battery life for 23.39.11 # Leave it on it's default, otherwise you will start getting erratic battery approximations 23.39.37 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@p549ACD3C.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.39.52 # Not that they aren't erratic now. 23.39.53 # ohh. thanks for your help soul-slayer and safetydan 23.39.59 # Lol, true enough. 23.40.21 # Best thing you can do is to sit it out, keep an eye on new builds and see if any optimisations have been made for your build 23.40.22 # Llorean, t'is remarkably accurate with "6 minutes" for the other half's h320 23.40.27 # is this something new, or has this happened before 23.40.40 # 'this'? 23.40.49 # the battery thing 23.40.52 # directhex: Yeah, but it's uncalibrated for iPods. 23.41.12 # Battery life for new targets always starts out poor 23.41.16 # webguest55: Rockbox has poor battery life on the iPods right now. It's not a 'thing' it's just the state of the software. 23.41.31 # ohh. well cya later 23.41.35 Quit webguest55 ("CGI:IRC") 23.42.02 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.43.25 Quit midgey () 23.43.54 # jhMikeS: SVN. 23.44.38 # hrmm... so it's the iFP port that added oggmalloc 23.44.44 # Llorean: say again? 23.44.47 # I wonder why he did that rather than just add the functions to codeclib 23.45.00 # jhMikeS: Your most recent comment on the SPC codec. ;) 23.45.28 # safetydan: Could it have some benefit for the fact that it's an extremely low memory target? 23.45.32 # oops...hrm...old habits. my fingers just type it by themselves. ;) 23.45.36 # I know the feeling 23.46.05 # Llorean, afaics the malloc stuff in oggmalloc is identical to the codeclib code. 23.46.14 # The only change is the tmpmalloc code 23.46.21 # fixed 23.46.32 # * safetydan has been fighting with Tremor and Speex ogg parser reuse 23.46.56 # Aaah 23.47.43 Join dan_a_ [0] (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) 23.47.48 Quit dan_a (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.47.48 # At the moment, Tremor has its own allocator which works well enough when it's the only thing using the ogg parser. It dies in weird ways when you try and reuse it with code that use the codeclib allocator. 23.48.47 Join sdfdsa [0] (n=efdsf@207-47-218-51.sktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) 23.48.55 # anyone know where i can find chip8 games? 23.49.57 # Theres a link on the rockbox site somewhere I think 23.50.01 Nick logiclost is now known as lostlogic (n=lostlogi@temporal.lostlogicx.com) 23.50.06 # sdfdsa: Googling Chip8 games seems to work well too 23.50.41 # ive been googling it 23.50.47 # but i keep finding amulators and thats it 23.50.50 # Llorean: Problem with that is the ones on the rockbox site have keymaps set up for them I think 23.51.39 # I'll see if I can find the page 23.51.58 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginChip8 23.52.04 # 3 links at the bottom of that page. 23.52.24 Quit dpassen1 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 23.56.33 Part Llorean 23.57.02 # what about gameboy games? 23.57.07 # where do you find those? 23.57.13 # are those easy to run with rockbox? 23.57.15 # jhMikeS: ooh, 37.5 23.57.22 # Unable to disclose that 23.57.34 # But they run simply by opening it in file browser 23.57.49 Quit petur ("Zzzzz") 23.58.51 # http://de.dataghost.com/ipl/IMG_7753.JPG <- short but exciting... anyway, that's a HFS+ disk read on a 80GB iPod :)