--- Log for 07.03.107 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 5 days and 18 hours ago 00.00.07 Quit x1jmp (Remote closed the connection) 00.00.08 # well, there are lots of artist out there, how do you make that short? 00.00.12 # mcphail: None of the players have a button just for paged scrolling. 00.00.34 # mcphail: In most cases we added the option to hold down a button while scrolling to make it do pages instead of individual entries. 00.00.49 # and titile are about 20 times that :) 00.00.50 # Peps: Divide by letter. 00.00.54 # titles 00.01.00 # Llorean: i'm replying to bluebrother and linuxstb_ as above. 00.01.29 # But I am talking about the database "Artist" list 00.01.30 # mcphail: Yes, they were referring to the fact that the way the iPod has its buttons set up, there's not a good one to use for such a purpose. 00.01.31 # preglow: this manual reads much more clearly than a coldfire doc esp. with examples of instruction use and what it does 00.01.38 # mcphail: Not that there wasn't a button specifically designed for it. 00.01.59 # Peps: You can edit your tagnavi.config to divide by letter. 00.02.14 # Llorean: forum question - so you know why some forum syntax issues (for example "<") gets ignored by the preview? 00.02.17 # Llorean: i'm not arguing with that fact 00.02.22 # jhMikeS: It *is* backward (and it's not consistent - the 'str' operation has the destination on the right) 00.02.27 # s/so/do 00.02.37 # Llorean: in fact, i wasn't arguing at all 00.02.39 Quit Id2ndR ("Parti") 00.02.40 # pixelma: I have no idea why the preview displays it properly but the actual post doesn't, unfortunately 00.02.55 # yes - I lerned that know 00.02.58 # amiconn: as long as they say so in the first place, haven't gotten to that :) 00.03.02 # *learned 00.03.05 # Peps: I don't use the database. 00.03.19 # pixelma: s/know/now/? 00.03.22 # * pixelma joins rockbox typing class 00.03.25 # ;-) 00.03.30 # pixelma: i think i have heard before that it is a prevention for someone trying to hack into the forum 00.03.41 # I think you are all taking the developer attitude. I am a developer too, but think a "user view" will be that a bad scroolwheel performance means she may abandom rockbox altogether 00.03.52 # we have a typing class? Cool, I should do some practice in touch typing :) 00.03.56 # Peps: Rockbox hasn't been released yet on the iPods 00.04.34 # Peps: there seem to be a few scrollwheel patches on the website. Don't know if they will help. 00.04.41 # scorche: thanks for the info 00.04.44 # a user may abandon Rockbox because of the bad battery runtime. 00.04.46 # Peps: I assure you, by the time there is a release version for 'users' there will be better scroll performance, it is a prerequisite. 00.04.47 # there's a rockbox typing class? i sign on! 00.04.52 # Peps: There _is_ someone working on it... 00.05.23 # Llorean, that is great. I will say no more about that then 00.05.24 # pixelma: something to do with injection and how once something is posted, it goes into the database for easy searching i believe 00.05.49 # well, they seem to tell you a lot more in advance anyway...not sure what suprises I'll get 00.05.58 # Peps: But remember, nobody pays for Rockbox, and nobody is getting paid for developing it. If you want it to happen sooner, do it yourself. Otherwise, have patience. Calling attention to 'users' doesn't work if there's no incentive to make them happy, anyway. 00.06.09 # Peps: It pretty much depends on who's interested in getting specific things done. 00.06.37 # I am a developer too, and have/had several open source projects myself 00.06.48 # would someone who cares about the state of firmware/sound.c please take a look at this patch? it makes sim use more of the code targets use: 00.06.51 # http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/sw_tone_controls_for_sim.patch 00.07.17 # I do not have the time mow to go into rockbox development, and really appreciate all the work you guys are doing 00.07.17 # the patch name pretty much reveals my reason for doing it 00.07.18 # Talking of which, can anyone give me some constructive criticism of my 3g scrollwheel patch: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?getfile=13410 00.07.35 # Peps: Something else to consider is that Rockbox runs on about 20 different MP3 players, only a small number of which are ipods. Most developers prefer their non-ipod targets... 00.08.08 # ipod marginalized. I never thought that day will come :) 00.08.11 # Peps: Or at the very least, spending their limited time working on things that benefit everyone. 00.09.04 # ipod maginalized, at least for the devs. I guess it's the biggest user base still 00.09.09 # but think about a scenario where rockbox is so good 50% of ipod's in the world are running it 00.09.20 # * bluebrother hides 00.09.29 # Peps: That'll never happen. Rockbox can never support iTunes music store music. 00.09.57 # Llorean: unless they drop drm like steve jobs say they might 00.10.05 # Llorean: DRM'd music appears to be on the way out. There is hope yet 00.10.11 # Rockbox isn't "cool" enough for the average end user 00.10.28 # well, I bought an ipod beacuse all other players in NZ of the same functionality are more expensive, and most non available. I was looking at alternatives for a long time 00.10.48 # bluebrother: actually, that is the problem...they like us because we have DOOM!!! 00.10.56 # \read what cory doctorow has to say about jobes and drm 00.10.56 # * scorche sighs 00.11.09 # preglow: If that ever happens, then yes, I suppose we could 00.11.22 # scorche: yes, and a lot of people install RB to get doom on their ipod and that's all. We really should consider removing doom 00.11.28 # or at least make it a paid option 00.11.31 # mcphail: this might overlap slasheri's work 00.11.34 # haha 00.11.39 # Peps: On average here in the US, equivalently functional players don't exist. The iPod is fairly limited. More powerful players tend to cost less than it, though. 00.11.45 # and rockboy 00.11.47 Quit Ribs ("eh eh ehhhh!") 00.11.52 # preglow: i haven't seen any patches for the 3g 00.12.00 # "rockdoom is shareware. Please pay $$$ to the RB fund to unlock it" 00.12.05 # mcphail: there is no patch yet, but he's going to commit it 00.12.16 # mcphail: Also, it's not just for the 3G. 00.12.26 # mcphail: It's general across the scrollwheels, I believe. 00.12.41 # well, it should be 00.13.08 # preglow: Llorean: excellent. But the source code suggests the 3g scrollwheel is handled differently 00.13.08 # another Q. Any chance of the cover art pathces and WPS stuff making it into the mainline? I got stung by several themes on the rockbox site that are using tags which require patched versions 00.13.27 Quit ender` (" It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future.") 00.13.34 # When amiconn starts yelling "slasheri!" it's in cvs :) 00.13.40 # Peps: covert art: no, we want it done another way 00.13.48 # mcphail: At a driver level, possibly, but from an application level they should both be treated the same. If they aren't, that's a problem. 00.14.02 # jhMikeS: The latest version I tested made things worse than svn for me 00.14.06 # jhMikeS: if it's only in CVS ;) 00.14.19 # amiconn: i thought it worked nice. how did it make things worse? 00.14.27 # true enough...still auto typing that lol 00.14.33 # It was faster, but it also was incredibly jumpy and hard to get to where I want 00.15.03 # maybe he's done some more work since last time anyway 00.15.10 # Yes, possibly 00.15.19 # i'd love to see it in, the scrollwheel behaviour in rockbox annoys the hell out of me 00.15.22 # it's laggy and slow 00.15.26 # It would help new users if the themes using non standard feature are clearly marked as such 00.15.26 # Llorean: there is a separate file for the 3g scrollwheel function. I don't know if that qualifies as driver or application level 00.15.45 # preglow: I never experienced lagginess before cop support was committed :\ 00.15.46 # Peps: where did you find these themes? 00.15.53 # amiconn: i did, all the time 00.16.03 # It's just a little slow but it's reliable 00.16.13 # Peps: It's a wiki, which is user edited/created. Unfortunately that means it's user responsibility for the most part. 00.16.25 # amiconn: i think it's somewhat reliable, but that doesn't mean it should be slow 00.16.40 # amiconn: browsing a big list is sooooo much slower than it should be 00.16.49 # It's a little slow but not too slow imho 00.16.54 # it's far too slow 00.17.00 # Peps: there is also rockbox-themes.org, which also list the required patches 00.17.10 # amiconn: tried retailos? 00.17.13 Join Hoffmann [0] (n=ber@c-69-248-210-174.hsd1.de.comcast.net) 00.17.19 # amiconn: that does it fairly well, if you ask me 00.17.25 # amiconn: at least for nano 00.17.25 # this is where I took thjem from, I think 00.17.30 # preglow: Impossible to test long lists in retailos 00.17.39 # (even if I would put retailos back on) 00.17.53 # rockbox-themes is not a wiki. The WpsGallery page in the Rockbox wiki is ;-) 00.17.59 # Peps: Well, if it was rockbox-themes.org, you need to talk to the administrator of that site. 00.18.10 # preglow: I agree, the retailos performance is what Rockbox needs to mimic. 00.18.12 # which is? 00.18.19 # amiconn: well, yeah, if you're not willing to put some tracks on it 00.18.25 # linuxstb_: agreed 00.18.36 # it's fast when you want to be fast and precise when you want it to be that 00.18.41 # preglow: I would need to put tracks on it *using itunes*, and I won't install that. Never. 00.18.48 # Although it's been a while since I used it - before we had sound in Rockbox. 00.18.50 # amiconn: there are tons of alternatives to that 00.19.04 # Peps: Go to the site and look for contact information. It's a 3rd party site right now. 00.19.06 # Besides, there isn't enough space left on my mini to add enough tracks for a long list 00.19.16 # you could add small tracks :) 00.19.25 # Or empty files... 00.19.38 # Peps: look at the site for an address. He was around in this channel more frequently about a year ago but I haven't seen him for quite a while 00.19.45 # Maybe just putting a lot of files into the Notes directory would be enough to test the scrolling. 00.19.48 # ...and in rockbox, the longest list is the all tracks listing in the db. Still bearable with rockbox svn scrollwheel handling 00.19.52 # his nick was RedBreva 00.20.06 # i have seen him around in the forums 00.20.21 # amiconn: if you like scrolling through 5000 entries at that speed, you've got special tastes 00.20.24 # 559 music files on my mini according to stats.rock 00.20.34 # I don't see a contact anywhere there 00.21.00 # sorry sysadmin@rockbox-themes.org 00.22.19 # * linuxstb_ only has 1499 music files on his 60GB color... 00.22.45 # ...and I can scroll the whole list in less than 30sec 00.23.05 # amiconn: /me has 2752 and needs a decen scrollwheel 00.23.43 # amiconn: point is that scrolling thirty seconds to find a song in a list of 500 is abnormally slow 00.23.50 # amiconn: in "retailos" i can scroll through in a few seconds 00.23.51 # it should be ton in ten seconds, max 00.23.58 # s/ton/done/ 00.24.12 # spending two minutes to find a track among 2000 is just not acceptable at all 00.24.17 # If it would scroll faster, how would I be able to spot the line where I want to stop? 00.24.27 # It's already quite blurry 00.24.36 # amiconn: you know how they're sorted, so you do a rough scan 00.24.45 # amiconn: and slow down when you're close 00.24.48 # preglow: i find the problem comes with bands named "The ". Getting to letter T is hideous 00.25.20 # I think the ipod strips the "The". is there such a rockbox option? 00.25.26 # * amiconn wouldn't like the scrolling to skip entries 00.25.32 Nick JoeBorn is now known as JB_Away (n=jborn@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 00.25.44 # amiconn: it _doesnt_ skip. That's why it is so nice. 00.25.46 # Peps: There's a patch for skipping 'the' in the database. 00.25.55 # That's why I practically never use paged scrolling - I'd rather live with somewhat slower scrolling than overshoot 00.26.01 # amiconn: i would, i don't need a precise seek always, i need a very fast seek until i see i'm close, then i slow down 00.26.04 Quit blueworm ("Leaving") 00.26.16 # amiconn: there's absolutely no point in seeing all the entries between the start point and the song i want 00.26.31 # i only need to see some entries to see where i am relative to where i want to be 00.26.56 # amiconn: and if i for some reason want to see all the entries, i just scroll slower, which should also be possible 00.27.58 # If you know exactly what I want - why go through ultra-long lists? Just go there via the fs browser 00.28.20 # * linuxstb_ creates some random filenames on his ipod, and discovers "con" and "aux" aren't valid filenames on FAT. 00.28.26 Quit CriamosAndy ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 00.28.45 # I see the all-tracks listing in the db as a way to get an overview - if I don't know exactly what I am looking for 00.28.55 # ...and for this to work, I need to see all entries 00.28.58 # amiconn: because everyone should be able to use rockbox the way they want without hacks like that 00.29.15 # amiconn: Also, scrolling is much slower on the 5G than on your Mini, isn't it? 00.29.20 # amiconn: i have 428 artists. Getting a decent fs hierarchy would be a lot of work for little gain 00.29.45 # mcphail: It'd take about 20 minutes with a decent tag tool, and you wouldn't even have to be at your computer while it ran. 00.30.02 # linuxstb_: con, aux, lpt1...lpt3, com1..com8 etc are all reserved dos names 00.30.04 # amiconn: can you think of a single good reason why _not_ to implement scrolling like i explain? the behaviour you want should still be possible 00.30.24 # Llorean: i shouldn't have to be at my comp at all 00.30.30 # preglow: Well if it doesn't disturb slower scrolling I wouldn't be against it 00.30.48 # It's just that I havent seen an implementation that doesn't 00.31.02 # amiconn: scrolling speed should be entirely dependent on the speed at which your finger is scrolling 00.31.22 # or nose, toe, or whatever you want to use for scrolling 00.31.27 # mcphail: So, your statement is "I should gain without having to do anything"? 00.31.56 Join safetydan [0] (i=cbca159f@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 00.31.58 # Llorean: no, "I shouldn't lose for using the software" 00.32.01 # mcphail: You can fix the problem by improving scrolling, which takes work, or you can fix the problem by setting up a proper tagnavi, which involves less work, or you can fix it by having a decent filesystem, which involves no work other than starting the tool. 00.32.29 # linuxstb_: yeah, creating files in Notes works 00.32.56 # preglow: Afaik that is what Slasheri's patch does 00.33.06 # preglow: Yes, I've just tried it as well... But it takes a long time for the Notes viewer to scan the directory with 1000 files in it... 00.33.13 # mcphail: But saying "I shouldn't have to do anything" is somewhat strange. You'll lose *something* for installing Rockbox no matter what, the question is solely if the gains outweigh the costs. 00.33.24 # but please do not forget that it would be nice for some users to keep their ipod compatible with apple firmware as well 00.33.31 # linuxstb_: it took a long time with only 10 files in it 00.33.36 # and this is flash, goddamnit 00.33.37 # <|Rincewind|> If anyone wants to test my record button patch, It now includes "Insert" in file browser. http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5555#comment13769 00.33.39 # stupid, stupid apple 00.33.52 # Llorean: exactly. so why compromise on a potential gain, by forcing people to organise files rather than using a scrollwheel properly? 00.34.04 # using scrollwheel properly is coming anyway 00.34.05 # mcphail: Nobody's arguing against improving the scrollwheel. 00.34.11 # we're talking what you can do _now_ 00.34.18 # mcphail: But it's VERY important that it be done properly and well. 00.34.22 Quit entheh ("^~") 00.34.38 # mcphail: There's absolutely no sense in rushing a temporary solution that will then have to be undone later. 00.34.38 # Llorean: and i'm not arguing about your preference to organise your files. But the software can and should do both 00.34.49 # mcphail: Again, I never said it shouldn't. 00.34.54 Quit Hoffmann (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.35.19 # Llorean: i would look upon abandoning the database for a filesystem hierarchy as a temporary solution 00.35.22 # But at least the version I tested felt really jumpy. (1) The cursor bar didn't stay at the same line in the browser while scrolling in one direction. (2) Scroll speed varied a lot even without changing finger speed (at least as perceived by me) 00.35.28 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 00.35.50 # (1) was probably just a bug. (2) might be solvable by silencing the speed value 00.36.00 # mcphail: That's your prerogative, but it's a temporary solution that never has to be undone, and lasts forever. Unlike a temporary faster scrolling which would have to be removed if a proper faster scrolling were finally done. 00.36.01 # amiconn: yeah, (1) annoyed me a lot as well 00.36.26 # (1) annoyed me far more than even a multi-minute scroll session with svn would 00.36.48 # mcphail: Remember again, you're using unreleased software. The focus is on FINISHING the software, not on patching up a temporarily more comfortable version. 00.37.07 # preglow, that sim tone controls patch looks fine to me. But then again, I've only read it, not tested it :) 00.37.10 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-249-5.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 00.37.18 # * safetydan wonders about moving the sim code to the target tree 00.37.19 Join Hoffmann [0] (n=ber@c-69-248-210-174.hsd1.de.comcast.net) 00.37.27 # safetydan: i've tested it on a fair amount of targets, and it seems to at least not crash any 00.37.30 # Llorean: patches are easily undone if a better solution is available 00.38.05 # amiconn: retailos seems to use an acceleration scheme. the longer you keep scrolling at the same speed, the faster it does 00.38.10 # mcphail: Not always, and also if the behaviour is 'better' but not implemented the right way, the incentive for someone to do so decreases drastically 00.38.20 # mcphail: What exactly is the _advantage_ of doing things the wrong way? 00.38.23 # amiconn: when you're over a certain speed threshold 00.38.29 # amiconn: I agree with you about Slasheri's first patches - I didn't like the feel of them either. 00.38.47 # preglow: And I can scroll from the start to the end of a 1000 file list in about 3 seconds. 00.38.53 # i can scroll a thousand entries in 3-4 seconds 00.38.59 # no blur 00.39.00 # :) 00.39.01 # i always see where i am 00.39.14 # preglow: The of definitely skips entries 00.39.15 # Llorean: it allows solutions to evolve 00.39.18 # *Then 00.39.23 # amiconn: indeed, but like i said, i want that 00.39.36 # mcphail: That statement doesn't make sense. 00.39.56 # mcphail: A hacked bad solution essentially endcaps it so that less people are likely to work on it, because it's 'good enough' for them. 00.40.10 # mcphail: Patches can continue to be worked on without committing just fine. 00.40.13 Quit Peps ("ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20060216]") 00.40.55 # Llorean: Or even worse, the original author might stop working on it before it's really finished, and no one else understands it enough to continue the work efficiently 00.41.03 # amiconn: using retailos, i can find any entry in about ten seconds, and this is the first couple of times i'm trying as well, so i'm not very skilled with it and overshoot a lot 00.41.04 # Happened more than once... 00.41.15 # amiconn: And then you have to write a whole new system to replace it, yes. Ugh. 00.41.24 # I would like the acceleration to depend on both the size of the list, as well as the speed you're scrolling. 00.41.42 # linuxstb_: Somewhat similar to the fast-forward? 00.41.47 # i.e. no point jumping to paged mode if the list only has 20 items... 00.41.50 # Llorean: Exactly. 00.41.52 # We're talking about code that is archived in svn... It doesn't take a genius to roll back 00.42.19 # linuxstb_: the retailos version doesn't page at all 00.42.29 # mcphail: That doesn't mean Rockbox shouldn't page. 00.42.38 Join Ranbee [0] (n=iceni@80-43-98-175.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 00.42.41 # mcphail: It has to skip entries one way or the other 00.42.48 # mcphail: By "page" I mean jumping a large number of items at a time. 00.42.49 # Llorean: no, but it is an excellent and durable model to follow 00.43.06 # linuxstb_: it doesn't jump at all. It just scrols faster 00.43.08 # mcphail: And clearly files can evolve enough that rolling back to the original version could lose other valuable changes, or result in a file unusable in the current state of the code. It can, and likely will, take work to remove a change that isn't *needed* anyway. 00.43.17 # mcphail: No it doesn't, it pages. 00.43.24 Quit bluebrother ("night!") 00.43.24 # If you can scroll a 5000 entries list in 3 seconds, that'd otherwise mean ~1600 lcd refreshes/second, which is plain impossible 00.43.27 # linuxstb_: my 3g doesn't 00.43.27 # hi, i want to try a video with rockbox, im going to re-encode it now to *.mpg. what size should i make it for my ipod video? 00.43.40 # amiconn: of course, but i've never said it doesn't skip anything 00.43.44 # i _want_ it to skip things 00.44.00 # preglow: I was referring to mcphail 00.44.03 # Ranbee: 320x240 and probably no more than 10-15fps. 00.44.09 Quit muesli__ ("ich will Kühe!!!") 00.44.12 # ah, ok 00.44.44 # mcphail: As amiconn says, the number of LCD refreshes required to scroll a long list in a couple of seconds is physically imposssible. 00.44.57 # thanks, linuxstb_ . i looked at the PluginMpegplayer page and i didn't see a installation guide, so does that mean it's already installed? 00.45.17 # Ranbee: Yes, all plugins/viewers listed in the wiki come pre-installed. 00.45.20 # linuxstb_: i couldn't scroll 5000 items in 3 seconds on my ipod 00.45.22 # Ranbee: Official plugins never need installed. 00.45.36 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 00.45.49 Join JdGordon [0] (i=82c20d66@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-fca8c2a9d1aa442d) 00.45.52 # thanks linuxstb_ and Llorean :) i love rockbox so far 00.46.16 # mcphail: I can scroll a 1000 items in 3 seconds on my ipod Color. With 7 items on a page, that makes 142 frames per second. 00.46.16 # stupid 3 hour prac only taking 90min :'( 00.46.36 # Sorry, that's makes 999 frames per second if you want smooth scrolling... 00.46.47 # I mean 333... 00.46.55 # * linuxstb_ can't count this late at night 00.47.06 # * amiconn wonders what linuxstb_ is calculating ;) 00.47.20 # * linuxstb_ wonders that as well. 00.47.35 # I'm just quoting random numbers. 00.48.03 # But anyway, on my Color, it is definitely skipping large numbers of items without displaying them - which is how it should work. 00.48.27 # * mcphail is off to grab his ipod and a stopwatch... 00.48.33 # without trying to get tor working, does anyone know how to get svn to cooperate with a http firewall? 00.51.27 # linuxstb_: by the sound of the ticker, it definitely sounds like retailos uses discrete step sizes 00.52.08 # then again, the ticker might not be coupled too closely to the actual scrolling 00.53.19 # preglow: how do you feel about adding a setting like the start screen setting but for when the alaram triggers the boot? 00.53.31 Quit funky ("leaving") 00.53.56 # JdGordon: would be great, but can't the default action be inferred from the start screen? 00.54.25 # but then again, what you want to do on wakeup might not be what you always want to do 00.55.12 # I wouldnt want the alarm to start me in the file browser... 00.55.20 Quit atsea- (Remote closed the connection) 00.55.29 # although, my start screen is the wps... but thats besides the point 00.55.35 # Only playback and FM would seem to be sensible options - until timed recordings are possible. 00.56.05 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.56.19 # JdGordon: i'd pretty much say let "resume playback" be the default unless you have something like "radio" or "recording" which clearly infers something else 00.56.36 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 00.56.48 # Is the alarm a one-off alarm, or will it repeat? 00.56.55 # JdGordon, I would have thought SVN would respect the http_proxy environment variable 00.57.00 # linuxstb_: one-off 00.57.38 # * linuxstb_ has no target with both an FM radio and an RTC... 00.58.06 # That would be the RTC-modded H120s, right? 00.58.26 # probably 00.58.31 # H300, X5, probably the Archos FM recorder, 00.58.40 # JdGordon: and btw, don't know if you got it, but recording screen as startup screen now doesn't work 00.58.41 # Ondio FM? 00.58.44 # JdGordon: possibly others too 00.58.54 # OndioFM has no RTC 00.59.20 # preglow: that setting should have been removed, the start screen handles that now 00.59.31 Part Llorean 00.59.35 # JdGordon: did you get my PM? 00.59.37 # JdGordon: that's what i'm talking about 00.59.53 # Maybe an alarm startup setting only makes sense if there is the choice between FM and file playback. 00.59.56 # and I believe while the FM Recorder has an RTC it needs a mod for alarm but I don't _know_ 01.00.03 # JdGordon: when i set recording screen as start screen, nothing happens and the setting is forgotten when i start up 01.00.10 # So on ipods for example, just always make the alarm resume playback. 01.00.17 # markun: I did, not identified so dont know if i can reply 01.00.19 # but thanks 01.00.40 # preglow: ok, ill fix that 01.01.04 # * mcphail may have to admit defeat on the scrolling issue... 01.01.20 # can anyone check their config.cfg file and let me know if any settings are repeated? 01.01.28 Join atsea- [0] (i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-d77f479b9c22cc36) 01.01.54 # JdGordon: I observed that once, will check which 01.02.05 # JdGordon: disk spindown 01.02.19 # ok, we might have a bug then :p 01.02.48 # haha, no... just an extra line in the settings_list.c file 01.03.37 # JdGordon: Don't know if you saw but I lost voice settings that survived several reboots intact after a rolo. Will double check this though. 01.04.14 # JdGordon: and can you fix the buttons in the playlist viewer? 01.04.33 # yup 01.05.25 # JdGordon: thanks, sorry for giving you all this work :) 01.06.21 # thats ok.. I can pass uni next semester :p 01.06.51 # JdGordon: you have a patch in your mail 01.06.59 # ta 01.07.44 Join stripwax_ [0] (n=Miranda@i-83-67-214-206.freedom2surf.net) 01.07.57 # I'll do that one in the arvo, want to fix these other ones before I forget 01.08.11 # arvo? 01.08.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.09.12 # afternoon... a few hour 01.09.12 # s 01.09.32 # alright...aussie slang i assume? 01.10.13 # HAVE_RTC_ALARM right? 01.10.18 # aye 01.12.42 Part zeth 01.16.46 Part Ranbee 01.17.08 Quit robin0800 ("We be chillin - IceChat style") 01.17.42 # amiconn: can you see something immediately stupid in the patch i posted? 01.18.23 Quit stripwax (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.18.26 # preglow: I want to add some #defines so I dont need to keep checking for TUNER and RECORDING for the alarm, wold they be OK in alarm_menu.h? 01.18.44 Quit stripwax_ ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 01.19.30 # JdGordon: *shrug*, i just hacked alarm support onto ipod, am not any kind of authority 01.19.44 # can we always record from the radio if both are present? 01.19.51 # doubt it 01.20.03 # it's not an assumption which should be in apps/ code anyway 01.20.13 # BUGGER! 01.21.17 # jhMikeS: HAVE_FMRADIO_IN means we can record from the radio right? 01.21.27 # it wont be defined for some other reason? 01.22.51 # * linuxstb_ spots some IPL kernel activity - support for the 80GB 01.23.24 # JdGordon: ummm...yes 01.23.37 # though AUDIO_SRC_FMRADIO can exist either way 01.24.14 # If it is defined for another reason, it's a bug 01.26.47 # oh fark.. I got confused, im doing this all wrong :'( 01.28.35 Part toffe82 01.29.29 # <|Rincewind|> jdGordon: do you think that my record button config patch has a chance to get commited and would you mind looking at it if there is something I can do to help get it commited? It is #5555 in Flyspray 01.30.00 # damn, that number alone is alone to merit a commit! 01.30.09 # <|Rincewind|> I think my code should be ready for inclusion now 01.30.28 # i think we are fairly against customizable buttons, but I like the idea 01.30.37 # wont be able to look at it for a while tho 01.30.55 # i've heard plenty of people say they don't want customisable buttons, yes, but that doesn't change the fact that the record button is still unused 01.31.11 # very true 01.31.13 # <|Rincewind|> it gives the user only a few choices, so I don't see why it is "problem to support" in this case 01.31.50 # * jhMikeS needs to know if he's overlooking any other coldfire IRQs: DMA, timer, tick, sometimes PMU ... anything else? 01.33.59 # <|Rincewind|> we have a customizable wps, lots of options that change the way how rockbox works substantially, so one slightly customizable button shouldn't be such a big deal 01.34.35 # preglow: is it possible to test the alarm behavious in the sim? or can you try out a patch? 01.34.44 # JdGordon: can try a patch, sure 01.35.01 # ok, ta 01.35.42 # which targets actually have the alarm without a mod? 01.36.04 # <|Rincewind|> preglow: If you want to test my patch, it now has "insert" in file browser 01.36.04 # all ipods and one of the recorders 01.36.08 # ...and DISABLE_IRQ_LEVEL just doesn't right nicely 01.36.14 # s/right/ring/ 01.36.18 # jhMikeS: none i can think of 01.36.35 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 01.36.35 # JdGordon: why does it matter? 01.36.53 # because i wanted to know which target to do a test compile on 01.37.01 # * jhMikeS is doing the IRQ shuffle so DMA can be synced with cause level 7 can't be disabled 01.38.35 # JdGordon: just grep for HAVE_RTC_ALARM in firmware/export/config-*.h 01.40.12 # My two cents about customisable buttons is that yes, in general they're bad, but I can't see any harm in making one or maybe two buttons customisable on targets with lots of buttons. As long as they don't affect the core navigation. 01.40.15 # * linuxstb_ sleeps 01.40.29 Join hardeep [0] (i=c044e404@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-68cb321033292a71) 01.41.41 # <|Rincewind|> my patch doesn't affect core navigation at all 01.44.02 Join Thundercloud__ [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.206.55) 01.45.04 # preglow: http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/alarm.patch 01.45.57 # woops... ok, take it again if you already got it 01.46.33 # okies 01.48.57 # gotta be one of the noisiest patches i've ever tried, are you sure the fanciness you do around settings.h line 703 is ok? 01.49.14 # i thought you couldn't do #ifdef LOLLERSKATES && something else here 01.49.32 # your right... bah 01.49.40 # settings.h is the only one right? 01.49.47 # yea 01.50.28 # my logic for all the messy #ifs is that if the rec or fm isnt present there is no need for the setting.. sound ok? 01.50.40 # yeah 01.52.06 # safetydan: i've been trying to continue work on the wps tokenizer... did you ever attempt to integrate it into the existing wps code ? because i tried that and had some trouble 01.53.34 # arking hell... I can get the ultimate edition of office 2k7 for $75 instead of $1,150! anyone want me to get them a copy? 01.54.51 Join l2eM1x [0] (n=l2eM1x@71.194.216.71) 01.55.02 # ...SUPREME_IRQ_LEVEL ?? :P 01.55.43 # LALALA_IRQ_LEVEL 01.59.35 # preglow: that patch work ok? 02.02.45 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 02.03.40 # JdGordon: waiting for wakeup 02.03.49 # JdGordon: halv that price, divide it by 10 then subtract the rest, and you've got what it costs to get 02.04.08 # halve* 02.04.18 # I know :D 02.04.32 # =) 02.06.38 # JdGordon: woke up fine 02.06.40 # started playing 02.06.41 # preglow: WAKE UP! 02.06.43 # Nico_P, no I never tried to integrate it. 02.06.51 # great :) 02.06.51 Part safetydan 02.06.53 Quit Thundercloud_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.07.16 # JdGordon: didn't try recording, tho 02.07.32 # wow safetydan seemed in a hurry to leave... 02.07.54 # preglow: as long as the setting is there... it should work 02.08.03 # JdGordon: but get rid of that noisy-ass compile problem, though 02.08.04 # oh god, I though I was in #ada, then i looked up and saw #ifdef LOLLERSKATES && and all was well 02.08.07 # nicp: you brought up a touchy subject :D 02.08.10 # i got a warning for every settings.h include 02.08.24 # which was? 02.08.50 # love the new menu guys 02.11.08 # markun: I want to backout the MENU > previous screen commit from yesterday.. its causing those bugs you meniotned :'( 02.12.04 # preglow: i get no warnings here... was the the naughty #ifdef? 02.12.17 Part l2eM1x 02.13.26 Quit midkay (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.13.32 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 02.14.04 # JdGordon: indeed 02.14.37 # ok, so then fixed... 02.14.41 # * JdGordon goes to commit 02.16.16 # <|Rincewind|> if you want to have recording start automatically on wake up alarm, you could use code from my patch 02.16.38 # <|Rincewind|> that part is only 4-5 lines 02.17.36 # if (global_settings.alarm_wake_up_screen == ALARM_START_REC) ret_val = GO_tO__RECORDING 02.17.40 # 2 lines :D 02.17.56 # excpet, it doesnt have th typos in the code.. 02.18.25 # <|Rincewind|> I have a look when I see your commit if you mean the same thing as me 02.20.04 # probably 02.20.46 # <|Rincewind|> what I mean is, it wakes up, goes to recording screen and automatically starts a recording 02.21.19 # ah, mine doesnt do that yet... 02.21.42 # <|Rincewind|> If you wait a few minutes I make a small patch 02.21.51 # ok 02.23.47 Join shnee_ [0] (n=CurtyD13@d149-67-40-157.col.wideopenwest.com) 02.23.52 # put it on FS and ill hcekc later.. im startving... yunch time 02.24.13 # i thought you got a new keyboard 02.24.33 # im at uni.. this kb is horrible 02.26.35 # what keyboard did you get? 02.26.56 # ibm thinkpad r40 (laptop) 02.27.01 # hurry up you sdtupd build table 02.27.21 # green.. awesome.. cya 02.27.42 # oh. 02.27.42 Quit JdGordon ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.28.46 # <|Rincewind|> damn, too late. I just finished it :( 02.33.20 Join bombi [0] (n=bombi@CPE-138-217-67-144.vic.bigpond.net.au) 02.33.24 # ping 02.33.51 # hi anybody here? 02.34.19 Quit shnee (Connection timed out) 02.34.35 # reconnect 02.35.16 Quit bombi (Client Quit) 02.37.10 # <|Rincewind|> jdGordon: You can find the Patch at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6750 02.38.23 Join bombi [0] (n=bombi@CPE-138-217-67-144.vic.bigpond.net.au) 02.38.31 # hi 02.39.01 # good day anybody in here? 02.39.34 # <|Rincewind|> if you have a question, just ask 02.39.54 # hi 02.42.21 Quit z0de (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.44.33 Join bombi_ [0] (n=bombi@CPE-138-217-67-144.vic.bigpond.net.au) 02.44.42 Join perldiver [0] (n=say@cpe-72-225-231-80.nyc.res.rr.com) 02.45.27 Quit bombi (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.45.45 Quit bombi_ (Client Quit) 02.47.32 Join z0de [0] (i=z0de@80-194-233-59.cable.ubr01.enfi.blueyonder.co.uk) 02.48.30 Quit barrywardell () 02.49.38 Quit hardeep ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.50.27 Quit inversions (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.51.16 Join Plouj [0] (n=Plouj@dsl-207-112-70-4.tor.primus.ca) 02.51.21 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-249-5.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 02.51.28 # is there a tool that checks rockbox code for problems automatically? 02.51.37 # eh 02.51.41 # any tool that does so for c code should work 02.51.48 # or am I thinking of some other project 02.52.02 Quit barrywardell (Client Quit) 02.52.24 Join JdGordon [0] (i=82c20d69@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-231c821f3988fe60) 02.52.43 # the library with the comics is closed :'( so your stuck with me 02.53.00 # <|Rincewind|> JdGordon: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6750 02.54.46 # |Rincewind|: that patch works correctly? 02.55.27 # <|Rincewind|> I don't know if it works directly after startup, but it does work in my patch 02.55.48 # <|Rincewind|> I don't have RTC to test it 02.55.59 Part Plouj ("oh, never mind then") 02.56.10 # it looks like it should :p 02.56.45 # are you in tthe credits file? 02.56.45 # <|Rincewind|> not yet 02.57.36 Quit Domonoky_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.57.39 # k 02.58.50 Quit pearldiver (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.59.09 # <|Rincewind|> maybe you can commit little parts of my patch one at a time and at one time we have record button config without amiconn realizing it until it is too late ^^ 02.59.52 # one letter commits, buried inside false diff data 03.00.02 # haha 03.00.16 # oooh, mark the source files as 'binary' before committing, then it will just omit the diff output 03.00.32 # then just change the content type when done 03.00.39 # or not :p 03.01.01 # if you ever need bad ideas, I'm your guy 03.01.23 # I still don't see why we don't just pick a good, static use for the record button and be done with it. 03.01.49 Join bombi [0] (n=bombi@CPE-138-217-67-144.vic.bigpond.net.au) 03.01.52 # because we cant agree on one? 03.02.01 # <|Rincewind|> Llorean: because nobody can agree what is a good static use 03.02.06 # we can't agree on lots of things 03.02.08 # why only have 180 settings when we can have 300! 03.02.18 # someone just needs to commit a button map for it and be done :> 03.02.24 # |Rincewind|: Just because there's not a global consensus doesn't mean we can't pick one. 03.02.28 # can i play videofiles with rockbox on an ipdo video 30 gig ? 03.02.37 # Long Record, obviously, should be the recording 'shortcut' 03.02.53 # bombi: Only MPEG1/2 files, see the PluginMpegplayer page in the wiki. 03.02.57 # <|Rincewind|> Llorean: sure, but I would really like to have it this year 03.03.02 # thx ! 03.03.19 # The main question is just 'what should short record do on various screens?' 03.03.23 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 03.03.27 # something different in each 03.03.31 # queue would be nice in the files/database screen 03.03.31 # And I think 'View Playlist' is pretty agreeable from the WPS 03.03.33 # :-) 03.03.56 # And Queue or Insert is pretty agreeable for the filetree, the question pretty much seems to boil down to permanent or temporary addition to the playlist. 03.04.04 # <|Rincewind|> my patch does all that, what you suggest (and a little bit more) 03.04.05 # i'd say temp 03.04.12 # I'm actually for "Queue" with "Right" becoming insert, instead of "Right" duplicating "Select" 03.04.21 # Queue for "Record" 03.04.31 # |Rincewind|: The problem is that yours add the configurability, doesn't it? 03.04.51 # <|Rincewind|> I'm all for insert, I never ever used queue 03.04.52 # thats a _problem_? 03.05.02 # well, yes 03.05.09 # JdGordon: In general, we don't like configurable buttons. You know this. 03.05.26 # i know 03.05.36 # sorry to ask again - does rockbox support some of the ipod toys like the FM transmitter etc ? 03.05.37 Join ryanpg [0] (n=ryanpg@71.194.32.72) 03.05.45 # <|Rincewind|> we have a configurable startup screen and nobody has something against that. Very strange opinions 03.05.51 # bombi: Accessory support is very limited. 03.06.04 # |Rincewind|: Other than the word 'configurable' how do those relate at all? 03.06.08 # yay! how exciting! the iaudio M5 is getting support! thanks! 03.06.09 # :) 03.06.30 # buttons are a bit more basic, aren't they 03.06.34 # people don't expect them to be configurable 03.06.40 # <|Rincewind|> they both make a part of the UI configurable 03.07.08 # i really don't mind "surplus" buttons being configurable, though, i think 03.07.09 # |Rincewind|: The option to record or play music on startup has been around for a long, long time. The configurable start screen basically just consolidated those two options and cleaned it up. 03.07.12 # <|Rincewind|> almost every linux or windows program has configurable keybord shortcuts 03.07.14 # i just don't want all the buttons to be 03.07.16 # |Rincewind|: but you can tell the user easily how to change back (if you can name the buttons they have to use) 03.07.20 # I don't think "Record" is a surplus button. 03.07.41 # nah, probably isn't 03.07.49 # Maybe the 'A' button on the Gigabeat. 03.07.50 # isn't it all configurable anyways? since the sourcecode is available, and I'm betting you guys use constants all over the place 03.07.53 # it does have a rather specific meaning 03.08.25 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.08.38 # but then again, you'd never expect the record button to queue a track 03.08.53 # <|Rincewind|> pixelma: my patch doesn't change any existing buttons. It is only meant for buttons (or button combos) that are not used 03.09.00 # and the fact that we're considering to make it do that makes it kind of surplus in my mind 03.09.00 # hachi: yes, with the source it wont take long to redo the whole button config 03.09.13 # Honestly, I wouldn't mind giving the user the choice between "Insert" and "Queue" since in the end, those are almost identical behaviour. 03.09.32 # jgordon: does your commit enable the rtc wake up features on H300 too? 03.09.36 # XavierGr: no 03.09.41 # ah 03.09.43 # But I don't think the button should be able to change to other functionalities. 03.09.45 # thought so 03.09.51 # XavierGr: bootloader needs fixing and the pcf drivers need to be merged before that happens 03.09.59 # XavierGr: you'll surely notice that from the svn log 03.10.22 # I knew about the pcf drivers but not about the bootloader 03.10.44 # XavierGr: if the alarm were to work right now, the bootloader would switch itself off when it triggered, since it doesn't check for alarm currently 03.10.46 # I thought Linus have made the rtc changes on bootloader and only the pcf driver was nedded 03.10.54 # XavierGr: might be, if so i haven't noticed 03.11.18 # well I can't test it anyway, so I will have to wait for the pcf driver 03.11.26 # should be pretty easy 03.11.32 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 03.11.41 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.164.ptr.us.xo.net) 03.12.07 # jdgordon: there are still quite some quircks with "menu button to previous screen" 03.12.21 # some entries seem not to follow that behaviour 03.12.30 # Do you know if the ipot FM Transmitter is supported? 03.12.42 Quit JdGordon ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03.12.47 # e.g the Playlist menu entry 03.13.16 # gah he left 03.13.29 # and I just reproduced a bug that is related to it that crashed my H300 03.13.32 # has anyone here tried the M5 rockbox port? as it's almost the same as the X5 I'm hoping it would be safe to test it... 03.13.53 # someone here told me the X5 is the best current production platform for rockbox 03.14.12 # JdGordon: (if you see the logs) try the following: with an uninitialized database, move into the database menu then push 2 times the Main menu button 03.14.20 # ryanpg: The M5 port should work fine at this point. 03.14.34 # jdgordon: it should show the "database is not ready" splash box and the player will hang 03.15.07 # Llorean, thanks... that means it's not likely that I'll loose my entire music collection, right? 03.15.46 # ryanpg: As far as I'm aware, there's never been a case of an official build of Rockbox destroying a music collection. 03.15.59 Join JdGordon [0] (i=82c20d69@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c7ed9966a14741c4) 03.16.20 Join pearldiver [0] (n=say@cpe-72-225-231-80.nyc.res.rr.com) 03.16.26 # Llorean, awesome, well time to grab my M5 and start the fun then :) 03.16.29 # XavierGr: yeah, Im thinking about reverting the commit... something isnt wrking properly 03.17.45 # Llorean, I was going to try the nightly build 03.17.52 # ryanpg: Why not the 'current' build? 03.18.27 # Llorean, dunno, if you're suggesting that then ok 03.18.36 # * ryanpg tends to like the bleeding edge 03.19.06 # current build is more bleeding edge than the nightlies 03.19.29 # ryanpg: The 'current' build is the bleeding edge. That's why it's 'current' as opposed to 'as much as 23.9999 hours of of date' as the daily might be. 03.19.51 # Llorean, k, downloaded and copying over now 03.20.02 # Llorean, thanks for the hand-holding btw :P 03.20.11 # I'm pretty psyched :D 03.20.37 # Rockbox should work quite well for you. 03.20.46 Quit JdGordon (Client Quit) 03.21.00 # As a vaguely related note though, portable HD based players aren't that reliable for storage in the long term and it's never really a good idea not to have a backup of your music somewhere else. 03.21.07 # Llorean, yeah I played with it on an iPod, but I reverted back, I think it'll really enhance the MF though 03.21.27 # Llorean, good point about the backup, too bad I don't have a DVD burner, I've got quite a large collection of course 03.21.33 Quit perldiver (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.22.32 # <|Rincewind|> ryanpg: If your music collection is only on your portable, then I would suggest to get a larger HDD as soon as possible 03.23.09 Join perldiver [0] (n=say@cpe-72-225-231-80.nyc.res.rr.com) 03.24.19 # |Rincewind|, wise advice... I do have one thing going for me, most of my music is from emusic and I can always re-download 03.24.43 # k, in my nerdy geeked out excitement I just forgot to unmount the m5 before unplugging it 03.25.21 # * |Rincewind| won't distract ryanpg again 03.25.34 # <|Rincewind|> good night all! 03.26.10 Quit |Rincewind| ("Cya") 03.26.22 # heh, I'll brick this thing yet 03.27.19 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 03.27.22 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp142-127.adsl.forthnet.gr) 03.28.27 # kickass... works 03.28.32 # time to explore 03.30.16 Join tkloppel [0] (n=chatzill@cpe-24-169-143-103.rochester.res.rr.com) 03.31.42 # hey, anyone here usin rockbox on a gigabeat f20? 03.32.12 # tkloppel: Did you have a specific question? 03.32.57 # Llorean, yeah... Im wondering what the requirements are for video files. I know it's still very unsupported... 03.33.17 # X5 can't be the best port until it Dual Boots, or supports everything the original firmware did, like USBOTG 03.33.40 # tkloppel: See the PluginMpegplayer page in the wiki. 03.34.05 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ipa12.20.91.tellas.gr) 03.34.09 # Soap: Well, I think it was with the qualification of 'on still produced / available new hardware' 03.34.20 # Though that's iffy with the Gigabeat around, depending on what the user needs from the hardware. 03.34.20 # Soap: but the USBotg-support is not an M5 issue... 03.34.31 # pixelma: touche 03.34.39 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@71-10-1-92.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) 03.34.44 # Llorean, thanks. 03.35.25 Quit pearldiver (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.39.32 # this is really great, love the games 03.39.41 # I don't see any M5 specific themes though 03.40.15 # would it be safe to try an X5 theme? the M5 has monocrome display where the X5 is color 03.40.32 # ryanpg: since the display has the same resolution as the H100/ 4G greyscale Ipod you can use those 03.40.53 # pixelma, H100/4G Ipod, cool will browse those 03.40.55 # X5 themes _should_ work too 03.41.11 Quit tkloppel ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/2007021917]") 03.41.47 # But because of the color choices, how readable they are will depend on which shades end up which grays. 03.46.31 # kk 03.49.52 Quit shnee_ ("Konversation terminated!") 03.50.26 # searching the docs for gapless playback 03.50.57 # it isn't an option. 03.51.17 # If you have ripped and encoded properly it will work. 03.51.38 # there is a wiki page which discusses ripping and encoding properly, if I recall correctly, one sec. 03.52.29 # markun just added it today 03.52.34 # *edited 03.54.16 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GaplessHowTo 03.55.23 Join shnee [0] (n=CurtyD13@cpe-24-26-133-97.columbus.res.rr.com) 03.56.35 # bummer 03.57.00 # too bad, it's the one feature the rio karma has over rb 03.57.06 # ? 03.57.16 # what feature? 03.58.19 # you dont need the nogap for gapless....only for archos is that needed 03.58.40 # gapless playback of any format 03.58.51 # rockbox has that.. 03.59.12 # if the karma could make anything "gapless" it was faking it. 03.59.24 # you can fake it too with rockbox if that is what you want. 03.59.29 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 03.59.32 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp137-25.adsl.forthnet.gr) 03.59.33 # just do a short crossfade. 04.00.30 # But, (oh. my. god. I'm like of of /them/. Posting one thought per line. I will stop) But Rockbox will play gapless any audio codec which can be played back gapless without faking it. 04.00.31 # haven't gotten to crossfade yet in the manual 04.00.37 Join Pavel_ [0] (n=chatzill@ip68-111-112-174.lu.dl.cox.net) 04.00.52 # can somebody help me put linux on my ipod 04.01.21 # ryanpg: Rockbox plays true gapless. That means it plays exactly how much gap is in the file, under the assumption that you've properly encoded your files and thus any gaps are intentional. 04.01.30 # ryanpg: Playing all files without gaps, even when they're supposed to have them, would be silly. 04.01.42 # Pavel_: This is the wrong channel for that. 04.01.59 # Llorean, yes I understand... I'm sure a lot of debate is generated by the topic 04.02.02 # what channel do i go to? 04.02.11 # #ipodlinux 04.02.26 # whats the difference between ipod linux and rockbox firmware 04.02.27 # ryanpg: If you want to remove intentional gaps, crossfade is what you want. 04.02.50 # ryanpg: Not really. I've not yet met someone who thinks it's a good idea to artificially remove gaps that are supposed to be there. 04.02.55 # Pavel_: IPL is linux. Rockbox is a music player. 04.03.02 # Soap, ok I'll dig through settings with an eye for "crossfade" 04.03.05 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 04.03.24 # what?? i thought you put rockbox on your ipod 04.03.27 # :S 04.03.35 # Pavel_: You do put Rockbox on your iPod. 04.03.44 # so what does it do? 04.03.53 # Pavel_: But Rockbox is not linux, is not based on linux, and is completely different from iPod Linux. 04.04.02 # Pavel_: Rockbox is a music playing firmware. 04.04.22 # It plays music, and incorporates a very large range of options relating to music playback functionality and format support. 04.04.36 # can u have both 04.04.46 # Yes. 04.04.56 # cool thx 04.05.57 Nick Pavel_ is now known as linuxipod (n=chatzill@ip68-111-112-174.lu.dl.cox.net) 04.06.30 Quit linuxipod ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/2007021917]") 04.06.44 Join linuxipod [0] (n=chatzill@ip68-111-112-174.lu.dl.cox.net) 04.07.18 # bummer... rb doesn't fix the annoying bug where umounting on linux doesn't return the M5 to play mode 04.07.59 # what happens to your M5 when you unmount? 04.08.08 # (with Rockbox) 04.08.57 # nothing... the big USB icon remains on the screen 04.09.06 # until I yank the usb cable, then it shuts off 04.09.19 # That's probably the USB hardware itself then. 04.09.20 # (I check to be sure it's not mounted before the "yank" part) 04.09.34 # ryanpg: which USB port are you connecting it to? 04.10.28 Quit linuxipod (Client Quit) 04.10.46 # pixelma, err... well there's only one on the M5, and I'm connecting to one of two on the laptop 04.11.02 # pixelma, do you want some specific kind of information? 04.11.24 # no... you would have the possibility to connect via the subpack too (if you have one) 04.11.26 # lsusb can provide some details 04.11.37 # ahh... forgot the M5 takes a subpack 04.12.09 # * ryanpg actually tried to reverse engineer a subpack 04.12.19 # I just try to get some information for someone who could look into it (someone with a clue ;) ) 04.12.38 # heh, well I guess that's not going to be me then 04.12.50 # it's a fairly new port and these specific things aren't known yet, I think 04.13.11 Join zorroviejo [0] (i=40d4cdb8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-dc72e2cc90d2c346) 04.13.11 # I thought most of the players were pretty much dependent on the USB hardware itself to say it was done. 04.13.18 # well, it occurred even with the official iaudio firmware 04.13.19 # hi people 04.13.24 # what mp3 player whould you guys recommend? is the apple ipod video 30 gig a good choice? 04.14.04 # i play any mp3 files en rockbox but soy no codec in screen 04.14.14 # say 04.14.15 # bombi: The Rockbox port on iPod isn't the best. There's still a lot of things that don't work well (poor performance and poor battery life) because of unknown hardware. 04.14.28 Join shnee_ [0] (n=CurtyD13@cpe-24-26-131-198.columbus.res.rr.com) 04.14.36 # i have ipod video 30gb 04.14.48 # zorroviejo: Has it ever worked? 04.14.49 # Llorean: just thought that there might be a workaround later if that's a general problem - but not that there will be 04.15.52 # pixelma: I'm pretty sure that Rockbox has to just wait for the USB->ATA bridge to stop being busy. But I don't really know. 04.16.26 # thx llorean! what machine do you have? 04.16.59 # bombi: Archos Jukebox Recorder, iHP-120, iPod Nano, Toshiba Gigabeat, iFP-799 and Sandisk Sansa e200. :) 04.17.06 # The last one doesn't play music yet, though 04.17.08 # :) 04.17.17 # hehe 04.18.01 # argh - i'm backpacking since 2 years and have now enough money to buy an mp3 player, but i left my geeklife behind and so I'm not realy up to date with all the tec stuff 04.18.16 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@cpe-74-71-205-222.twcny.res.rr.com) 04.18.16 # sheesh, with rb out there, I can't even imagine why hardware manufacturers even bother with writing OSs 04.18.58 # I mean, seems like they could 1) fund development 2) hire developers 3) release open spec devices and let the community give them an OS 04.19.32 # bombi: If you just want decent battery life, good storage, and audio playback, look at the Gigabeat F series. 04.19.38 Join lukaswayne9 [0] (n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 04.19.38 # so do you say that RB effects the batterylife of certain players? 04.19.38 # e.g. ipod? 04.19.57 Quit lukaswayne9 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.20.13 # bombi: On well supported players, it extends battery life by doing things more efficiently. On the iPod we just don't have enough hardware knowledge, there's a high probability we've not properly initialized or suspended certain hardware. 04.20.20 Quit Seedy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.20.32 # bombi: Whatever it is, most iPods get 2/3 to 1/2 of the regular battery life while running Rockbox. 04.22.01 Quit zorroviejo ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 04.22.05 # well thats not realy what i want - gigabeat F series you say . all right thank you very much! 04.22.35 # didnt consider gigabeat yet. didnt like it with running windows on it .... 04.22.57 # Llorean: until I have my gigabeat in my hands - stop driving up the prices! 04.24.07 Join zorroviejo [0] (i=40d4cdb8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e0986ae15e41187b) 04.24.49 Join hc1 [0] (n=agashlin@nat01-silvers-ext.Rutgers.EDU) 04.25.03 # Soon there will be proper runtime tests on Gigabeat! Stock vs Rockbox! In a televised Lithium Cage Match! 04.25.04 Quit hc1 (Client Quit) 04.25.31 # Hahaha 04.25.48 # We do need a proper discharge curve for Gigabeat. 04.26.05 # I can play mine for 3 hours and go from 100% to about 96%, but if I play it for 8 hours, it's down around 67%. 04.26.09 # wanted to buy iAudo x5l but cant find it here in australia 04.26.56 # What do you need to create a discharge curve? Lots of battery_bench.txts or something else? 04.27.09 # I don't really know. 04.27.27 Quit zorroviejo (Client Quit) 04.27.43 # I've never been _that_ interested in the battery. If it lasts long enough to get me through the day, it's 'good enough', and I don't really look at how much I have left most times. :) 04.28.00 # Though I do share the frustration of people who complain about their battery life, but refuse to compare it to the original firmware. 04.29.30 # It is the first thing I plan on doing, since there is no proper dual-boot function. 04.29.30 # the battery_benches on the GigabeatRuntime page seem to be all made with different settings etc... 04.30.07 # the gigabeat F series is quite old isnt it? 04.30.08 # fair enough 04.30.25 # bombi: It's not that old. 04.30.42 Quit shnee (Connection timed out) 04.30.48 # pixelma: On almost any of the battery bench pages there is a wide variety in settings. 04.30.59 # *cough* 04.31.09 # Soap: An effort is made, yes. 04.31.40 # Ideally one day someone will get even more fed up and put up a playlist and .cfg file to test with. :-P 04.31.48 # trying to find out more about gigabeat f series. sitting on a very slow inet connection so takes me some time 04.31.51 # I just thought it would help especially for calibrating if there were a few that were made under nearly the same conditions 04.32.34 # If those pesty developers stop mucking with the config version maybe someone would! ;) 04.32.45 # Hahaha 04.32.50 # :) 04.33.18 # Well, the default settings aren't all bad. The config could just be a single line turning repeat on. :-P 04.33.27 # how comes that there is no RB 4 creative at all? 04.33.39 # bombi: Because nobody who owns one has done it. 04.33.57 Quit Thundercloud__ (Remote closed the connection) 04.34.02 # bombi: Rockbox happens when someone or a group of someones who own the hardware, and is interested enough, does the work to port it. 04.34.09 # Llorean: I seldom use repeat... actually almost only for battery_benches! :P 04.34.12 # (perhaps says something about Creative owners?) 04.35.00 # true - maybe creative software is already good enough 04.35.11 # pixelma: Other than battery benches, I do have one long playlist that I playback shuffled since it's all singles anyway. 04.35.35 # bombi: No, there's definitely a group of them that things Rockbox is better. 04.36.06 # They just, so far, have done a lot of talking, and a decent amount of "I don't really want to open up _my_ player" and a little bit of "Well, I don't really know C, but I'll help however else I can" 04.36.21 Quit pixelma (" bedtime") 04.36.39 # Unfortunately they really need someone who knows C, and probably the appropriate assembly, to get started. 04.37.55 # well that shouldnt be to hard. 04.37.56 # argh - missing the times at home where i was able to do stuff like that. 04.39.42 Join bombi_ [0] (n=bombi@CPE-139-168-30-75.vic.bigpond.net.au) 04.43.05 # I wanted to say that the RB project is pritty cool ! 04.44.33 # g'night all 04.44.36 Quit ryanpg ("Leaving") 04.45.21 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 04.49.03 Quit perplexity_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.49.30 Join perplexity_ [0] (i=heh4081@dxb-as84568.alshamil.net.ae) 04.51.47 Join Brunellus [0] (n=luigi@unaffiliated/brunellus) 04.51.59 # d00t 04.52.45 Part Brunellus ("Ex-Chat") 04.53.44 # To be fair for the ZVM port, there are a few us who know programming and are going to try and work on it 04.56.49 # jhulst: I just meant overall. People have been saying there 'should' be a ZVM port for quite some time now. 04.57.20 # jhulst: In the amount of time people have been saying there should be one, not much has gotten done yet. I didn't mean to speak unkindly of what could be done in the future though. 04.57.28 # Llorean: Understood, hopefully that will change 04.57.37 # I hope so. 05.07.41 Quit bombi (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.08.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.15.35 Quit bombi_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.18.47 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 05.19.15 # hey aliask 05.19.33 # hey there jd 05.19.49 # why havnt you been on irc?? I had 4 hours to kill... i was so bored :p 05.20.09 # I did the first half of my driving test today, 57% pass :D 05.20.45 # I bet you cant wait till they let me drive. 05.20.48 Quit Hoffmann (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.21.38 # haha 05.21.46 # was the the persption or driving test? 05.21.57 # hazard perception test 05.22.03 # Shit test anyway. 05.22.05 # ha, thats utter BS 05.22.09 # whens the drive? 05.22.26 # 1st of may, they're booked up quite a while at the moment cos of the changing laws 05.23.56 Join ryanpg [0] (n=ryanpg@c-71-194-32-72.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 05.24.10 # hi again, just real quick before I run off to bed... where do I find crossfade settings? 05.24.49 # under sound settings 05.25.19 # JdGordon, k 05.26.04 # i see crossfeed but not crossfade 05.26.36 # nm, found it 05.26.48 # oh.. you wanted fade.. ye in playback 05.26.55 # General Settings -> Playback -> Crossfade 05.27.08 # thanks, g'night again :) 05.27.11 Quit ryanpg (Client Quit) 05.32.05 # nice to see the deutsche post website is as bad as ausposts ' 05.34.43 Part Llorean 05.37.57 # Hrm, an X60 just came up on ebay... tempting 05.39.34 # still tihnking of getting rid of the S? 05.40.54 # Yeah. I'd be more than happy to sell it to a developer for mates rates 05.47.37 # However personally I think it might be a bit of a dead end. There are a LOT of obstacles. 05.50.24 # no such thing as a dead end 06.00.29 Quit bonbonthejon (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.01.02 Join bonbonthejon [0] (n=jon@cpe-69-133-37-32.cinci.res.rr.com) 06.06.01 # aliask, so if the light goes red it means floor it? 06.06.40 # and always turn into oncoming traffic. 06.11.37 Quit desowin ("use linux") 06.13.09 # what do I do to get rockbox to recreate the root playlist root.m3u8, which includes all songs, now that I've changed the music that is loaded. Does it happen automatically? 06.14.19 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 06.14.51 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 06.14.59 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.164.ptr.us.xo.net) 06.15.46 # aleska: No, you'll have to create a new playlist and save it again. 06.19.24 # aliask: thx 06.21.45 Join Aaron4 [0] (n=sup@71.194.66.100) 06.25.20 # if I can figure out how the heck to save it 06.25.35 # on my x5 heh. I have to create it in winamp and copy it to the player 06.26.29 # It's probably faster that way too 06.26.47 # It's in playlist options though so you know for next time. 06.28.37 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.29.28 # yeah it's easy. WHen im done creating the playlist in winamp I just change D:\mp3\ to \music\ using find and replace then resave 06.29.32 # after im done I copy to the player 06.29.35 Part tvelocity ("ΑποχώÏησε") 06.30.00 # Yep, I did that too when I had rockbox. 06.30.36 # There might actually be a way to get the database to make a playlist with all songs for you, but I never used the database then. 06.43.38 Quit toer (Remote closed the connection) 06.44.49 # you can make a playlist with every song on your dap easily 06.45.35 # it can creatre a root playlist but I can never access it. 06.45.47 # why cant you access it? 06.45.53 # * JdGordon cant find the damn option :p 06.46.29 # unless it's in the files section. Only in there do I go to my playlist I created in winamp 06.47.27 Quit Aaron4 () 06.49.02 Quit rotator () 06.59.07 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 07.01.26 Quit webguest32 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 07.05.58 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 07.06.09 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.164.ptr.us.xo.net) 07.07.12 Join webguest80 [0] (i=d554be96@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f3d8b34269d373a1) 07.08.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.16.55 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 07.17.04 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.164.ptr.us.xo.net) 07.19.28 Join webguest60 [0] (i=80c211c7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-cb95839a52b73821) 07.22.04 Quit webguest60 (Client Quit) 07.22.16 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 07.22.27 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 07.22.38 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.164.ptr.us.xo.net) 07.23.18 Join toer [0] (i=tore@skjeldal.com) 07.25.40 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 07.25.49 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.164) 07.29.55 Quit kaaloo ("Leaving.") 07.32.19 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 07.32.28 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.164.ptr.us.xo.net) 07.46.23 # :'( I cant get this stupid menu to work properly 07.46.31 Join Shaid [0] (i=shaid@203-214-5-85.dyn.iinet.net.au) 07.49.57 # What menu? 07.50.16 # System -> Tools -> Stupid 07.51.18 # the root one... i keeep getting stuck in a wps > STOP > wps loop 07.53.30 # Yes, looks like GO_TO_PREVIOUS could be a problem... 07.54.25 # yeah, but any changes to that causes the MENU button to not work correctly 07.54.33 # i.e goto the previous screen from the root menu 07.56.32 # Hm.. Easy to reproduce, yes. 07.58.05 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54966D2C.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.00.21 Join perplexity [0] (n=joust@83.111.189.19) 08.02.52 # * amiconn wonders why the alarm wakeup fix increases codse size on targets with no rtc 08.03.21 # JdGordon: Btw, making the menu entry for fm radio only depend on CONFIG_TUNER isn't enough 08.03.42 # This entry needs to be dynamic depending on whether the tuner is actually detected 08.04.08 # Otherwise you confuse *most* V2 recorder users and *all* X5V users 08.04.09 # * JdGordon wonders also 08.04.36 # the entry in the alarm screen menu? 08.05.22 # yes 08.05.35 # Hmm, the size increase is just due to the .lang string 08.06.10 # hmm... :'( the setting screen doesnt handle non--const item numbers... 08.07.52 # What about going to root if "GO_TO_PREVIOUS" would return to the same screen? Seems to fix the WPS loop at least, though it might break other stuff... 08.09.13 Quit perplexity ("* sigh *") 08.10.47 # amiconn: I'm not sure how to fix this... I agree its a farily big problem tho 08.11.45 # yes I do... we'll just have to call do_setting() manually :( 08.12.51 # Oh well, off to work... 08.13.12 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/2007021917]") 08.21.14 Quit webguest80 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 08.21.30 Join GodEater_ [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-b7cbe918b6a0b4cd) 08.23.59 # the radio really is a PITA sometimes :p 08.25.02 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@rockbox/administrator/Llorean) 08.27.01 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B1488B.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.27.13 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.34.21 # amiconn: does M5 use the same keymap as x5? 08.34.28 # yes 08.34.58 # same remote too? 08.36.12 # yup 08.36.30 # amiconn: ok, fixed 08.36.41 # The remote is the very same for M3 (where it's standard, because it's the only display), M5 and X5 08.37.50 # I'm just adding a keymap for the keyboard on x5 so I guess it'll make sense for all then 08.39.01 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-033defe05a96c93a) 08.40.42 # yes 08.40.53 Join webguest40 [0] (i=c023111e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d28da2ec3cb0d426) 08.41.05 Join bluebrother [0] (i=gl8YZaNe@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 08.41.18 # The button driver is slightly different though, because Play and Rec are swapped electronically. I wonder why cowon did that 08.42.10 # ?? Routing lines perhaps? 08.42.20 # engineering error probably ;) 08.45.12 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.45.14 # * petur now has his 80GB disk and 2300mAh battery, just waiting for spare time to assemble 08.45.43 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 08.45.58 # petur: Where'd you get the 80gb disk from? 1.8" i'm assuming... 08.46.12 # * amiconn already has a "H180" :) 08.46.25 # aliask: I got mine from ebay 08.46.25 # e-bay... ICC I think they're called... $260 08.46.37 # EUR 156 08.46.47 # where? 08.46.52 # ebay.de 08.47.52 # there's an almost new one from Canada now: http://cgi.benl.ebay.be/TOSHIBA-MK8007GAH-80GB-1-8-HARD-DRIVE_W0QQitemZ130086686527QQihZ003QQcategoryZ42184QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem 08.48.11 # 'as is' 08.48.41 # "IT WAS REMOVED FROM A DELL LATITUDE X1 LAPTOP" 08.48.58 # Well, I mapped it ff=right, rw=left, volup=down, voldown=up, repeat play=ok, mode=cancel, rec=select/backspace depending on mode 08.49.37 Join Ribs [0] (n=ribs@91.84.8.218) 08.50.11 # Why not select=select? 08.50.58 # works faster...natigate with one hand, select chars with the other 08.51.07 # navigate even 08.51.45 # * amiconn would much prefer select to be select 08.52.02 # I value one-handed operation 08.52.07 # me too 08.52.33 # it is a pain to have to use both hands 08.52.47 # It could be both select and rec unless we have a better use for one of them 08.52.48 Join HBK [0] (i=4a46cb46@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-478a22264db59359) 08.52.52 # sure 08.52.56 # play is usually ok in the standard context 08.52.56 # Grrr 08.53.12 # I got a problem with my iPod 5G 08.53.17 # And why long Play = accept? long something should only be used if short something is needed for something else 08.53.19 # anyone can help? 08.53.30 # HBK: We won't know until you've asked the question. ;) 08.53.33 # HBK: not until you state the problem 08.53.34 # what should be ok? menu or could that be select? it's not assigned to anything at all 08.53.47 # ? 08.54.18 # oh yeah,I just installed Rockbox on my 30g ipod video,everything goes fine until i tried to play mp3 on it 08.54.19 # there's no assignment for the remote "menu" button 08.54.32 # Ah, you're talking about the remote 08.54.39 # * amiconn somehow didn't get this 08.54.48 # that's why I was asking about it :) 08.54.50 # when i started to play an mp3 file,it said data abort 000307F8 08.55.11 # then I had to restart it,but the same thing again 08.55.26 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@84-255-206-8.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) 08.55.31 # I wanted to keep "play" as ok since that's the standard button 08.55.41 # HBK: What color is the background during the bootloader portion (the words right when you turn it on)? 08.55.45 # Yes, but why long? 08.56.18 # to help avoid a mistake in case it gets pressed when navigating 08.56.19 # light blue I think 08.56.27 # HBK: You need to upgrade to the new bootloader then. 08.56.43 # * amiconn is a bit surprised that -wf'ing the bootloader doesn't actually save much of the boot time 08.56.53 # It feels more than it actually is 08.56.54 # HBK: Follow the instructions here for installing the bootloader: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta 08.57.13 # Ah,I download the one from CVS session,but dunno if it's the lates one 08.57.13 # * amiconn tested of boot with the latest bootloader 08.57.18 # Works fine 08.57.20 # Llorean: i like how we have adapted the ipod bootloader version numbering scheme to that of Pokémon :-) 08.57.34 # LinusN: The bootloader has a numbering scheme? 08.57.47 # Oh, the color 08.57.48 # Yes. 08.57.50 # Bootloader Black 08.57.50 # :-) 08.58.36 # I'm at the page of http://build.rockbox.org/ 08.58.58 # HBK: I gave you a link to what page and everything. Please follow the directions at the page I sent the link to. 08.59.19 # yeah,I followed that instruction 08.59.44 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc3-rdng11-0-0-cust229.winn.cable.ntl.com) 09.00.16 # I think the one I got is the latest one from that page 09.00.21 # jhMikeS: How's H300 recording today? 09.00.34 # HBK: The page I gave you has never installed one with a light blue background. 09.00.42 # HBK: Are you sure you didn't follow the IpodInstallation page instead? 09.01.18 # pondlife: quite ok 09.01.34 # Hmm, I'm getting a reproducible crash on exit now 09.01.54 # the version is 12652-070306,is this the latest one 09.02.08 # HBK: I told you, the blue background is not the latest one. 09.02.15 # pondlife: I'm gonna vanquish h300s from existence then 09.02.18 # HBK: The version number confirms it. Is there some reason you won't believe me? 09.02.19 # lol 09.02.37 # HBK: Wait misread the version number 09.02.43 # HBK: Is that your BOOTLOADER version or your ROCKBOX version? 09.02.43 # jhMikeS: Sorry to bear bad news, just wondered if you considered that finished or not. 09.02.58 # HBK: Specifically, what screen is that number from? 09.03.02 # 070306? that's ancient! 09.03.13 # GodEater_: 2007, Mar, 06 09.03.22 # ah - wrong way round 09.03.25 # That bug's fixed if the screen isn't slowing anymore 09.03.25 # Yeah, I did that too. 09.03.26 # I forgot - we do iso 09.03.37 # * GodEater_ goes and sits at the back of the class 09.03.50 # GodEater_: Still, the bootloader at the page I linked doesn't display text. 09.03.54 # jhMikeS: The slowing has gone 09.04.00 # And I can record ok. 09.04.03 # but you must be screwing with me about this crash on exit hoax 09.04.05 # it's at the bottom of the version menu 09.04.05 # true 09.04.14 # It locks when I attempt to exit the recording screen 09.04.21 # After recording only 09.04.22 # HBK: That's your Rockbox version. 09.04.31 # HBK: I told you you needed the newest Bootloader, not the newest Rockbox build. 09.04.37 # I don't think any of the bootloaders display a version number in that format 09.04.38 # HBK: Please, just follow the instructions at the page I linked you. 09.04.46 # ?? petur? Confirmation? 09.04.58 # :) 09.05.02 # jhMikeS: Mic is still enabled, meters not moving. I'll try disabling voice... 09.05.04 # one moment, will try 09.05.07 # OK 09.05.14 # I do have voice disabled 09.05.30 # * jhMikeS did actually anticipate H300s doing something...as always 09.05.57 # so should I delete all the file or uninstintall rockbox before I do that? 09.06.12 # HBK: No. I already told you exactly what to do. 09.06.18 # HBK: Follow the instructions here for installing the bootloader: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta 09.06.20 # OK. Still locks up if I disable voice without rebooting... 09.06.25 Quit linuxstb__ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 09.06.33 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 09.06.42 # GodEater_: The black-screen bootloader should show the date in that format. 09.06.50 # Still locks without voice, even after a reboot. 09.06.54 # OK,I'll try it 09.07.05 # pondlife, jhMikeS: no lockup here 09.07.10 # now that just doesn't make a lick of sense...the problem was voice not unboosting the thread 09.07.13 # Llorean: including the svn revision number though ? 09.07.26 # GodEater_: Mine has an SVN revision number, at least. 09.07.30 # Actually it's not a hard lockup in this case, but it seems to be waiting forever for something 09.07.33 # or rather...boosting a thread it had no business boosting 09.07.42 # it's been so long now since I looked an ipod bootloader, I've forgotten 09.07.47 # :`( 09.07.50 # i.e. backlight is going on/off 09.07.59 # But long stop won't shutdown 09.08.03 # GodEater_: I don't normally look at it, and the newest one doesn't show anything unless you hold "Right" apparently. 09.08.16 # Disk icon is lit too 09.08.18 # I think the "no text" is a good idea 09.08.28 # hmmmm....something with reloading the voice file probably 09.08.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.08.42 # No reason to reload that 09.08.45 # It's all disabled 09.09.01 # ok 09.09.01 # voice loads if the file is available 09.09.14 # Shouldn't do. I changed that ages ago 09.09.19 # oh 09.09.23 # It only loads if any of the voice options are enabled 09.09.25 # it actually loads the file on first use of a clip 09.09.25 # Oh,yeah,i worked,thanks! 09.09.36 Join decayedcell [0] (i=3ba79d47@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4a7735b67d108d1e) 09.09.39 # I think I know why I got wrong. 09.09.41 # Ah, it also locks if I stop and restart recording 09.10.07 # * petur shuts up and minds his payed work 09.10.07 # Same symptoms - backlight functions working, but nothing else 09.10.07 # Two H300s in total disagreement...hmmm 09.10.07 Join roolku [0] (n=roolku@82-41-2-141.cable.ubr01.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 09.10.14 # be installation instruction I followed is for G4 09.10.46 # This is the very latest build (07:45) 09.10.57 # mine is from yesterday 09.11.11 # I'm recording to WAV - default recording settings all round I expect 09.11.20 # pondlife: did you try one from right after the fix? 09.11.24 # and I _need_ reliable recording tomorrow 09.11.28 # No 09.11.32 # Not yet anyway 09.12.01 # I ran my stuff forever and not a peep...will check some more. 09.12.05 # Which SVN revision would be good? 09.12.19 # Just before the IRQ rework? 09.12.25 # 05:23- see if it changes 09.12.45 Quit HBK ("CGI:IRC") 09.12.51 Join HBK [0] (i=4a46cb46@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e00ad18386563f1c) 09.12.53 # though any problem there should realy hard lock 09.13.15 # Where's the instruction you gave me on the website? 09.13.46 # I only found the old one in the documentation section on the website 09.13.55 # HBK: I don't understand the question. The link I gave you is on the website. 09.14.18 # HBK: for future reference, the IRC channel is logged: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/ 09.14.36 Quit decayedcell ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 09.15.28 # Llorean: please tell me how to click my way to that wiki page 09.15.39 # LinusN: There's a big red link at the top of the IpodInstallation page. 09.15.49 # hmm?here's the link i got http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation 09.15.50 # Llorean: not anymore 09.16.02 # Hrm 09.16.29 # If that's been changed, is the manual up to date? 09.16.31 # * Llorean goes to check 09.16.35 # HBK: Wiki->IpodPort->IportInstallationBeta 09.16.46 # LinusN: The manual is up to date. 09.16.49 # excuse me, IpodInstallationBeta 09.16.53 # Oh,yeah,I got it 09.16.56 # LinusN: Same instructions as the Beta page. 09.17.03 # Llorean: ok then 09.17.27 # LinusN: So the big red link is valid, it must've been changed when the Beta instructions were put into the manual because it used to link to the beta page. 09.17.37 # Either way, people ignore that red line regularly. 09.17.51 # Llorean: it's not a link 09.17.59 # Well, when it was a link 09.18.01 # Sorry 09.18.04 # :_) 09.18.26 # I'm going to fix the IpodInstallation page now. 09.18.29 # Unless there's a reason to leave it. 09.18.58 # pondlife: latest svn works fine for me with voice enabled 09.19.04 # I got the manual this afternoon,but it's still the old version,did you just update it? 09.19.21 # HBK: I just checked, it's definitely in the manual. 09.19.33 # HBK: It probably happened earlier today. 09.19.36 # LinusN: Maybe I should put my config somewhere? 09.19.44 # yeah,i got the pdf file of it 09.19.59 # Just trying a small rollback, will report back shortly 09.20.09 # pondlife: put it in the recycle bin ;) 09.20.13 # tell me you don't think this is pretty : http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/2007/03/meizu-m8-minione-pricing.php 09.21.20 # * petur always sorts the 1's and 0's before throwing his digital waste away 09.21.24 # pondlife: it also worked when i turned off voice menus 09.21.32 # pondlife: and also after rebooting 09.21.34 # It's not voice related 09.21.45 # I have all voice stuff off, and have rebooted 09.22.12 Quit amigan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.23.16 # I don't know...things started misbehaving on the H120 where voice doesn't seem to even start. But that was before changing anything in the voice arena. 09.23.22 # Nope rev 12657 still locks 09.23.29 # Will go back further... 09.24.33 # the interrupt changes were tested all night so I don't really anticipate anything bad from that 09.24.50 # Just building 12648. 09.25.15 # What would it be waiting on before exiting, or before starting a second recording? 09.27.00 # just starting a second recording and not leaving? 09.27.05 # Yes 09.27.14 # pondlife: have you reset the settings, and have you set your RTC to a valid time? 09.27.18 # you waiting for the flush on the first to finish? 09.27.25 # LinusN: Not yet 09.27.34 # My RTC time looks ok though 09.27.41 # i have tried to stop and record again, and also starting a new file with Rec, both work just fine 09.28.11 # pondlife: and the disk is not full? 09.28.13 # The only thing recording would wait on is for the next second to get a filename 09.28.22 # USB bootloader mode is working like a champ though! 09.28.28 # :-) 09.29.17 # OK, that still locks. Could it be caused by me not configuring a recordings directory? 09.29.56 # the default should be just fine 09.30.05 # default should be /recordings 09.30.11 # OK, cleared settings 09.31.05 # ayef, wivepack, beglayerthree? lol 09.32.11 # Worth a CHKDSK too... 09.34.01 # 2 of 3 are in my favor so far 09.34.12 # I found something wrong with manual in the uninstallation part 09.34.50 # pondlife: which voice file? I'll try the same myself. 09.35.05 # Not sure, but it shouldn't be related. 09.35.09 # it says when we uninstall rockbox we should use command line "ipodpatcher N -d" 09.35.14 # I'll delete ENGLISH.VOICE next 09.35.29 # but the number N is not mentioned before in the manual 09.36.13 # I think this is explained in the old version because the N is also used when we install rockbox 09.37.05 # I'm getting all strange menu behavior...I can't back out of the settings menu...it just goes to the first item over and over. Had a thing where the WPS wouldn't quite either in the same way. 09.37.17 # I'm not sure the N is required in an uninstall either 09.37.28 # jhMikeS: OK, it's working now I cleared my settings. 09.37.30 # it's *only* required if you've hooked up more than one iPod to your computer at once 09.37.40 # but in the new version,we don't have to scan the device to get the number N.so it seems a little bit confusing to put this instruction which uses number N here. 09.37.49 # pondlife: con o sin voce? 09.37.51 # Will re-enable stuff and see what stops it. 09.37.54 # With voice, yes 09.38.30 # Default settings and some ENGLISH.voice from that 7zip archive 09.38.40 # * jhMikeS totally gets in UI loops all the time now 09.38.59 # ok 09.39.03 # OK - In at the deep end, reloading my previous config... 09.39.05 # HBK: agreed - I'll check with linuxstb, and if, as I suspect there's no requirement for the N, I'll arrange a change to the manual 09.39.47 # * jhMikeS needs to stop getting all the bugs eyes and points to JdGordon ;P 09.40.19 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-249-5.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 09.41.08 Join webguest06 [0] (i=86223347@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a65458c22be3d087) 09.41.32 # GodEater_: There's no requirement for the N. 09.41.52 # so what's the new method of uninstallation? 09.41.54 Quit webguest06 (Client Quit) 09.42.02 Quit barrywardell (Client Quit) 09.42.11 # HBK: The same as listed, with or without the N. 09.42.30 Join alexj [0] (i=86223347@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8c80c20589d829f4) 09.42.32 # just use the patch.exe? 09.42.56 # What patch.exe? 09.43.01 # If you mean ipodpatcher, yes. 09.43.30 # HBK: just run ipodpatcher -d 09.44.23 # yeah,i got it,but it still says the N thing in the manual.probably gotta make some change to it. 09.44.41 # HBK: The N thing is still valid, it's just not *necessary* any more. 09.45.03 # jhMikeS: Hmm, could it just be waiting a long long time to flush if database is updating? 09.45.08 # Llorean: for consistency in the manual, I think we should remove the N though. 09.45.25 # you're updating database and recording at the same time? wtf 09.45.27 # GodEater_: Oh, I agree wholly. 09.45.40 # Well, I have update automatically turned on 09.45.41 # absolutely...I wouldn't do that. 09.45.44 # Should work! 09.45.46 # having multiple iPods hooked up all at once is a pretty fringe case 09.45.58 # GodEater_: Indeed. 09.45.58 # not gonna happen 09.46.15 # jhMikeS: Shouldn't lock up at least 09.46.48 # I'll leave it 10 mins and see what happens 09.46.51 # i'm not sure it is ... will have to try it out though. 09.47.27 # does it take a long time if you just start recording and stop it immediately? a couple seconds should flush out fast 09.47.28 # Maybe another bigfoot hiding in the database code...? 09.47.37 # jhMikeS: Yes 09.47.53 # :/ 09.48.08 # It was working fine with cleared settings, and I could see the disk indicator for about 3 seconds after 09.48.23 # that's about right 09.48.29 # But with the database enabled it's been sat there for 4 mins now 09.48.34 # Can't be right! 09.48.55 # Mic is still enabled, would that make sense? 09.49.05 # i.e. flush then turn off mic 09.50.11 # jhMikeS: ? 09.50.27 # LinusN: On another topic, my rearranged bootloader here fixes the H300 remote issue. Would you like me to send you a copy, or just commit it? 09.50.41 # I have no idea if it would work with the LCD remote though 09.50.51 # LinusN: MENU > previous is causing some very odd bugs :p 09.51.00 # JdGordon: I'm running into strange infinite menu loops on my H120 when going left to go up...it just goes to the same menu over and over 09.51.03 # pondlife: send me the patch and i'll test ot with all remotes 09.51.42 # But the strangest one was the WPS restarting the track when you press stop 09.51.49 # jhMikeS: yes, i see the same problem - that loop was added when we aded the "menu goes to last screen" feature 09.52.03 # yeah, ive got it all fixed except a very easy wps looping bug 09.52.17 # THough I did just recording with database updating in the bg 09.52.33 Quit petur ("worrrk") 09.52.34 Quit HBK ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 09.52.51 Nick linuxstb__ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 09.53.41 # GodEater_, Llorean: ipodpatcher now prompts for (i)nstall, (u)ninstall or (c)ancel - so to uninstall, you just double-click ipodpatcher and enter u. I'll update the manual... 09.54.02 # linuxstb: okay 09.54.03 # pondlife: had no trouble with recording and updating db, in ram... and all that. 09.54.16 # Hmm, maybe it's not that 09.54.35 # svn revert . seems not to work for me =/ 09.54.36 # Did you try shutting down and going straight into recording 09.54.44 # i.e. while the disk icon is still lit 09.54.46 # GodEater_: it needs the -R 09.54.54 Join thewho [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-dd4807c1e2983ebc) 09.55.18 # Recording screen on startup? Can't get any more immediate than that. 09.56.12 # JdGordon, even if you're in the directory you wish to revert ? 09.56.14 # Hmm, I don't trust that quite yet!! No, I'm going to Root menu first 09.56.14 # that seems silly 09.56.32 # GodEater_: umm... 09.56.32 # OK, it just worked, so it's not every time... 09.56.43 # Though if I try flushing a large amount of data...the db update does interfere afterall...and the flush boosts itself. 09.57.08 # isnt the build table colours really bad for the colour blind? 09.57.10 # Nope, just locked again. Filesize 912k 09.57.11 # GodEater: -R is needed to revert the subdirs 09.57.17 Join webguest00 [0] (i=d554be96@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-76fc709be5b9d39f) 09.57.35 # JdGordon: indeed :-) 09.57.50 # LinusN: I realise that, but I'd dropped down into the directory I'd made the change at - so I expected it to only revert changes made to files in that directory 09.57.51 # we obviously dont have any devs with that problem then :p 09.58.00 # I think it does interfere...I have an odd blinking HD LED 09.58.10 # GodEater: and what happened without the -R? 09.58.14 Nick bun-bun_ is now known as bun-bun (n=bun@unaffiliated/bun-bun) 09.58.20 # LinusN: absolutely nothing at all 09.58.32 # GodEater: i know why 09.58.35 # amiconn: Can you build an amd64 version of the current SVN ipodpatcher with the bootloaders from http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/bootloaders.zip ? 09.58.47 # jhMikeS: The lockup seems to happen whenever I have had the disk indicator lit throughout.... 09.58.59 # GodEater: use * instead of . 09.59.16 # If I wait for it to go out beforehand, it works fine 09.59.19 # I think the svn help is misleading in that case - it doesn't mean PATH 09.59.21 # if you specify a directory as an argument, you will need -R 09.59.23 # Sorry for nagging, but: is the #ifndef in radio.c:428 needed? It causes the main menu item to be "Now playing" when the main menu is called from the radio screen IMHO 09.59.34 Quit z0de (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.00.03 # sure...it wants too many disk resources or something else is wrong that busts the disk access 10.00.03 # * pondlife thinks that menu item should just be called "Playback" at all times 10.00.16 # Hi, is there a easy way to compile (a newly created) plugin. I'm trying to compile a simple hello world plugin, with directions found on the http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoWritePlugins however when i run the arm-elf-gcc compiler it cannot find several headers, 10.00.56 # thewho: change it and submit a patch 10.01.02 # jhMikeS: Shouldn't lock up though... 10.01.14 # It's a pin-needed job. 10.01.31 # webguest00: Are you using the normal ../tools/configure, make, make zip method of compiling Rockbox? 10.01.50 # pondlife: this is another question. The sim (possibly) still has an error 10.01.58 # It has many 10.02.05 # Llorean: eh.no just basically running arm-elf-gcc ./plugin.c ..:) 10.02.11 # LinusN: but why was it made that way? Isn't there something I don't understand? 10.02.41 # thewho: it's probably there because radio_stop() didn't exist in the sim in the older days 10.02.47 # webguest00: I would suggest following the proper compiling instructions, it actually works that way 10.02.55 # yes...it's doing nothing but disk writing there though and db is doing whatever it's doing. I can't have recording change things for database updates...It'll have to go the other way. 10.03.15 # Must be a bug in the disk handling stuff 10.03.34 # It's been locked for 10 mins now. It's not coming back! 10.03.37 # I had a blinking led...I don't know if that's in the driver or what. 10.03.42 # Llorean: ok. but does it mean i need to recompile the whole of rockbox to just compile a single plugin ? 10.03.43 # LinusN: I mean: if someone wrote that code (which is an effort) this must have had a reason 10.04.01 # I have a steady indicator on the status bar 10.04.03 # Blinking on/off once a second 10.04.07 # H100? 10.04.11 # H120 10.04.15 # LinusN: sorry, missed your msg 10.04.21 # Do you have an H3x0 available? 10.04.28 # no 10.04.28 # webguest00: After the first compile, as long as you don't remove the build directory, it'll only recompile the files that have changed. 10.04.32 # Darn 10.04.37 # webguest00: Yes. Add your plugin to apps/plugins/SOURCES, and then rebuild Rockbox. 10.04.41 # thewho: does moving the ifndef under the audio_stop() fix the bug? 10.04.44 # X5 has a virtual LED though...not that it should matter 10.04.50 # LinusN: err... do you mean "audio_stop"? 10.04.51 # thewho: if it isn't too much trouble, please fix it and submit a patch 10.05.02 # thewho: of course 10.05.16 # I didn't hear the HD doing anything at all once it locked ... all actual activity ceased 10.05.40 # Llorean and linuxstb: ok thanks again 10.06.01 # jhMikeS: I don't feel HD vibration, but the indicator stays lit 10.06.18 # JdGordon: I dont't know, but probably yes. I removed the whole line (and #endif also of course) and that did fix the bug. But it tested only on H120 sim. The nested #if has to do with SW_CODEC which may still be importatnt for other platforms 10.06.50 # thegeek: try with an archos recorder sim too 10.06.59 # sorry, archos fm recorder 10.07.03 # pondlife: this points to something more nasty I think. Try checking with the access check turned on. 10.07.05 # try just moving the #ifndef SIMULATOR to under the audio_stop(), i that fixes it then thats all that should be changed 10.07.18 # jhMikeS: Access check? 10.07.21 Quit alexj ("CGI:IRC") 10.07.30 # Is that part of the debug build? 10.08.47 # Still locks up with dircache disabled FWIW 10.08.50 # JdGordon: I'm quite sure it will fix it. The "problem" is that on the sim, the audio is not stopped when FM is started. And that's because of that #ifndef 10.12.17 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 10.12.21 # JdGordon: but I can't test atm 10.12.23 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 10.13.13 Quit GodEater_ ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 10.14.30 # from the sound of the drive, database has had it not long after recording proceeds...the disk just spins even before a flush. guess it's time to look at that code. 10.14.56 # Seems ok as long as database isn't loaded into RAM too. 10.15.12 # But I'm just re-initialising, so a bit too early to say for sure. 10.15.54 # thewho: seems to work, ill commit it 10.16.56 # recording might be clobbering its memory ... 10.17.41 # I don't even know the file that contains that code :p 10.18.43 # still tagcache eh? 10.18.56 # jhMikeS: I have about 14000 tracks if that's relevan 10.18.57 # t 10.19.13 # JdGordon: dit you shift the line or remove it? 10.19.23 # shift 10.19.31 # shouldnt really make much difference 10.19.46 # Hmm, the initialisation progress sticks at -1% now... 10.20.00 # I'm sure it used to work 10.20.06 # pondlife: recording should not have a problem, you've got 32MB of RAM there 10.20.13 # Indeed. 10.20.27 # it runs on 16MB just fine 10.20.47 # If you enable tagcache in RAM, and make sure it's updating when you attempt recording, can you repro? 10.21.02 # Sorry, I mean DATABASE 10.21.18 # JdGordon: ok, the rest is only for HW_CODEC, so not relevant for me :-p 10.21.22 # that's what was doing it. just recording kills the database activity on disk. it doesn't even need to start flushing audio 10.21.50 # OK, so the problem occurs when database attempts to continue? 10.22.47 # it's doing it's thing...recording clobbers it. database has to stay clear of it for sure. 10.23.18 # So a recording bug then? 10.23.33 # * pondlife likes to lay the blame out first :) 10.23.39 # no...it gets it's buffers properly 10.23.52 # Hmm, so low level disk stuff? 10.24.31 # maybe database is grabbing ram...if that's not it...could be low level. 10.25.10 # I've just removed all ipod installation instructions from the wiki (replacing with a line telling people to follow the instructions in the manual). So now there are no visible old install instructions. 10.25.17 # Ah, have a look at allocate_tempbuf() in tagcache.c... 10.25.28 # audiobuf += tempbuf_size; 10.26.01 # I wonder if that's being called? 10.27.00 # yeah, that's just wrong and only safe before audio init 10.27.30 # LinusN: I would like to break the links from third-party tutorials to the old installation files on download.rockbox.org - could you create an "ARCHIVE" subdirectory in bootloader/ipod, and do "mv bootloader*.bin ipod_fw* disk_dump* ipodpatcher*.zip ipodpatcher.exe ARCHIVE/" 10.28.12 # once audio is initialized, there's rules to obey :) 10.28.51 # Shouldn't there always be rules about modifying the value of audiobuf too? 10.29.11 # This should go through buffer_alloc and hence your proposed locks... 10.29.25 # It can go anywhere before audio init 10.29.31 # it frees it too though 10.29.51 Join GodEater_ [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-0fb672b9579bbed9) 10.30.56 # It should just be claiiming the audio buffer, and using that maybe? 10.31.10 # If not possible, then delay commit until the next reboot as now. 10.31.29 # If you knacker part of the audio buffer after init then surely you may as well. 10.34.24 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b7bf0.ucd.ie) 10.34.43 Join barrywardell_ [0] (n=barry@dhcp-892b7b5c.ucd.ie) 10.34.58 # not sure...I want to check real quick if that function is called during record 10.36.27 # Trigger an Update Now before you go into Recording 10.37.06 # Never had to since I never let it finish 10.40.27 # hmmmm...no panicf yet 10.42.34 # strange it worked just fine that time 10.42.48 Quit dmdfan- ("ircN 7.27 + 7.0 for mIRC (2002/01/10 00.00)") 10.43.22 # will try update now 10.46.14 # I see the LED blinking and can hear the disk in the mic: click click.......click click 10.46.43 # but it's not making calls to that 10.47.11 Join hannesd__ [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 10.47.21 Join safetydan [0] (n=dan@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 10.48.03 Quit shnee_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.48.54 Join Shaid` [0] (i=shaid@203-214-106-254.dyn.iinet.net.au) 10.50.32 Quit thewho ("CGI:IRC") 10.51.25 # yup...taking forever to flush out again 10.52.18 Quit webguest00 ("CGI:IRC") 10.54.09 # * XavierGr walks in with a box on his hands :D 10.54.33 # box of chocolates? 10.55.49 # * jhMikeS was thinking of some naughty kind of box 10.55.50 # linuxstb: done 10.56.56 # * XavierGr adds himself to the decimated archos (ondio) population and joins the old family :P 10.56.56 # box of live grenades? 10.57.20 # nah I just received my ondio FM 10.57.37 # euhm, for some reason my tools/ipodpacther/* files are gone (execpt ipodpatcher.exe), and 'svn up' doesn't bring them back ?!? 10.58.03 # * JdGordon didnt do it! 10.58.03 # rbutil/ipodpatcher now 10.58.11 # gah this thing is very small!! 10.58.23 # somewhat a little bit fatty though :P 10.58.25 # ummm...svn rm can do that :) 10.58.55 # Hmm, but why is the dir still there? Or is my working copy fooling me? 10.59.32 # And on my amd64 box the files still exists after 'svn up' 10.59.41 # :confused: 10.59.58 # I had something like that where I just had to blast the directories and do reverts but got somewhere 11.01.15 # linuxstb: 'make clean' is abit aggressive in the ipodpatcher dir... 11.01.19 # crap :'( I got another 3 hour break tomorow at uni 11.01.24 # sweet the box has 8 aaa batteries too 11.01.39 # XavierGr: to add to the shipping cost? :p 11.03.20 Quit hannesd_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.03.21 Join GreyFoux [0] (n=greyfoux@APoitiers-256-1-93-251.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr) 11.03.31 # he included in total 11 aaa batteries and even an rca cable 11.03.39 # 8 aaa? that would get expensive to run 11.03.58 # it needs 3 to run 11.04.10 # oh...lol 11.05.03 # amiconn: What does it delete that you think it shouldn't? 11.05.19 Quit GreyFoux (Client Quit) 11.05.20 # LinusN: Thanks for cleaning the ipod directory. 11.05.23 # now time to get rid of the OF!!! 11.05.35 # I don't even know how to put rockbox on this thing... 11.06.23 # I wonder if the ATA driver or file functions bite it with all the multithreaded writing going on 11.06.31 Quit Shaid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.06.32 Nick Shaid` is now known as Shaid (i=shaid@203-214-106-254.dyn.iinet.net.au) 11.06.43 # * jhMikeS wonders if pondlife bailed out 11.07.32 # * JdGordon gives up... has anyone got a few min to look at the new root_menu loop to figure out why you can get stuck in wps loops easily? 11.08.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.09.49 # what about the other loops? 11.09.51 # is it possible to brick the ondio if I do something wrong when installing rockbox on it? 11.10.12 Part Llorean 11.10.48 # haha freeking typical... as soon as I ask for help I get it working :p 11.10.54 # :-) 11.11.08 # hmm ondio should be in fat32 filesystem correct? 11.11.37 # XavierGr: fat16 iirc 11.11.37 # JdGordon: you always do just before I go trying to find the relevant code 11.11.51 # :) 11.11.52 # linuxstb: Everything... 11.11.59 Quit Farp (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.12.04 # * LinusN got as far as opening root_menu.c 11.12.05 Join Farp [0] (i=Farp@60.49.98.250) 11.12.17 # jhMikeS: Nope still here-ish 11.12.33 # jhMikeS: The ata driver is mutexed 11.13.04 # linuxstb: Everything except the Makefile, to be precise 11.13.05 # i wonder if the ata callback thingy might be the problem 11.13.15 # jhMikeS: So you reproduced it... 11.13.22 # pondlife: over and over 11.13.27 # Good ;p 11.13.58 # I'm back on Paid Work at the moment, but will try to keep an eye on this here channel if you want anything trying out. 11.14.12 # recording is very simple with the writing but it writes megabytes 11.15.10 # amiconn: That's odd... Is the "*~" (which I use to clean emacs backup files, so I should probably have not committed it) matching files on your system? 11.15.11 # when they're both going, something collides and it just sits there twitching. 11.15.28 # linuxstb: No it's not 11.16.23 # playback doesn't seem bothered but it's reading 11.16.23 # amiconn: Then I can't see why it would delete the .c and .h files... 11.16.30 # omg it takes ages to put the build to ondio....! 11.17.38 Join fejfighter [0] (n=jeffro21@C-59-101-72-162.syd.connect.net.au) 11.17.59 # the other bigfoots are after me for bagging the other one :( 11.18.06 # lol 11.18.17 # Never get into fights with bigfoots 11.18.29 # * pondlife wonders what the collective noun is 11.18.42 # amiconn: 'make clean' in rbutil/ipodpatcher works fine for me 11.18.45 # a hairball of bigfoots? 11.19.24 Quit barrywardell (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.19.39 # cough 11.19.58 # yippie just booted my ondio to Rockbox! :D 11.21.53 Join _kclaf [0] (i=kclaf@crj95-3-82-237-150-15.fbx.proxad.net) 11.22.12 Quit kclaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.22.28 # Where should I throw this amd64 ipodpatcher? LinusN? 11.22.44 # somewhere where i can download it 11.25.21 # LinusN: the ata callback you're talking about is the idle callback? 11.25.25 # icacther looks neat on the ondio 11.25.42 # jhMikeS: yes 11.25.54 # but i realize that it shouldn't be an issue 11.26.29 # you guys really like blaming my code for everything dont you? :'( 11.26.37 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.26.48 # jhMikeS: but i can imagine that a huge write that is interrupted by another could slow down quite a lot, since the drive would seek a lot 11.26.53 # JdGordon: hahaha 11.26.58 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B9612D.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.26.58 # Who's #1? JdGordon or Slasheri? :P 11.28.05 # ondio doens't has a quickscreen button? 11.28.24 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@82.193.235.34) 11.28.25 # LinusN: It starts out quite normal with both then just halts 11.28.31 # XavierGr: iirc you press long menu twice 11.28.34 # jhMikeS: nasty 11.28.36 # XavierGr: No it doesn't 11.29.56 # amiconn: Did you work out why make clean deleted all the files? 11.30.55 # memory conflicts don't seem an issue 11.31.38 Join dpmarsh [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 11.31.50 # hi 11.31.58 # linuxstb: In rbutil/ipodpatcher it works 11.32.38 # i just signed up on TWiki and need access to load up my WPS theme for ipod5g, can someone help me? 11.32.55 # pondlife: should be the last item in the list always and be first? 11.33.05 Quit GodEater_ ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 11.33.14 # or anyone..? 11.33.21 # JdGordon: I'd prefer it with then 11.33.30 # ditto 11.33.41 # Pity '<' is >'9' 11.33.49 # The link to the ipodpatcher amd64 binary in the manual is wrong 11.34.08 # Slasheri: do you know which function sorts the tree items? 11.34.26 # compare()? 11.35.41 # thats what i thought... but im not getting my debug output 11.35.54 # Only when you rebuild the database perhaps? 11.36.12 # their orders are stored in the db? 11.36.38 # No idea, just a guess 11.37.04 # Yes, the db needs to have the items pre-sorted 11.37.08 # IMO everything starting with < should be at the start 11.37.20 # as it's some kind of special entry 11.37.20 # what about when the order is reversed? 11.37.45 # JdGordon: I've got a fix for that here... 11.37.52 # if the sorting order is reversed then it's at the end 11.38.08 # pondlife: fix for which? 11.38.08 # ...otherwise segmented browsing couldn't work 11.38.12 # amiconn: i did some measuring yesterday, and the wm8975 bass/treble controls do indeed seem to work, but they also adjust volume in addition 11.38.24 # 11.38.26 # amiconn: do you think we should attempt to fix by prescaling volume, or just use sw tone controls? 11.38.46 # pondlife: to fix your bug report? or..? 11.38.51 # http://www.pastebin.ca/384800 11.39.10 Join GodEater_ [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-0e77e06c007fbbe2) 11.39.17 # Although a simple check for a leading < would be faster and maybe better 11.39.26 # maybe sorting rules should be part of lang files? 11.39.49 # Ah, that's a can of worms... The/Die/.... etc. 11.39.58 Join inversions [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 11.40.08 # JdGordon: I can commit it if you think that's ok 11.40.12 # is hardcoded tho isnt it? 11.40.23 # Yes, #defined 11.40.30 # pondlife: you got rid of the inverse check? 11.40.37 # ? 11.40.37 # No 11.41.02 # Only the commented out "The" check (that was buggy anyway) 11.41.10 # not the The/Die/ ... etc. stuff just basic sorting 11.41.25 # are we looking at the same function? 11.41.36 # tagcache.c 11.41.37 # static int compare(const void *p1, const void *p2) 11.41.53 # oh, i was looking in tagtree.c 11.42.37 # Aha - that might be a better place to put it (if it's used) 11.43.11 # * JdGordon doesnt know 11.43.15 # Slasheri: you around? 11.43.30 # Certainly the tagcache compare method works upon rebuild, but I suspect it would kill the update on existing databases. Sort stability is good, huh? 11.43.51 # well, i think if its slow it should be there instead of in the display code 11.43.56 # This is a presentation issue, so should really be handled in the UI 11.44.04 # you can export then reimport on db changes 11.44.11 # * pondlife likes UI and logic to be seperate 11.46.26 # yep, compare() in tagcache.c is used when building the db 11.46.59 # which is the better compare() to put this in tho? 11.47.03 # Slasheri: Would you be happy with my paste above? 11.47.17 # and why isnt xlateable? 11.47.37 # db files needs to be correctly sorted or low memory targets such an archos might be unable to display the entries correctly 11.48.03 # OK, strict charsort? 11.48.27 # So it needs to be done in tagtree, not tagcache. 11.48.29 # pondlife: doing the sorting in tagcache.c is the best place, then it works for sure :) 11.48.52 # :~/ confused 11.49.07 # Define "correctly sorted" 11.49.18 # or doing it in tagtree.c needs that all entries can be loaded in ram at once and sorted then 11.49.39 # with chunked browsing that method does not work 11.49.42 # OK 11.49.54 Quit datachild ("deny the day of towmorrow") 11.50.12 # but still work to do, back in evening -> 11.50.19 # OK, I'll commit this for now!! 11.50.25 # markun: testet the cf patch? 11.50.27 # but.... but.... 11.50.33 # but? 11.50.47 # is there anyway to see if it will show without checking the string? 11.50.59 # Not as far as I can see. 11.51.09 # The string is put in there early on. 11.51.15 # oh well... 11.51.22 # guess thats why its not translatable.. 11.51.25 # gogogo!! 11.51.42 # It should be translatable still, that's just another job. 11.51.45 # doing char comparisson would be faster tho :p 11.52.38 # Well, you can always update it some more! 11.56.06 # amiconn: any page on the wiki about the flashing procedure on ondio fm? I am looking bootbox right now, but isn't this outdated? 11.56.36 # meh 11.57.09 # * amiconn still didn't update & merge the flashing instriuctions :( 11.58.40 # so I shouldn't try to flash it unless you update it, right? 12.00.55 Quit inversions (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.01.55 Quit fejfighter () 12.03.02 # * preglow glances at e200tool and blinks 12.03.11 # does this guy have usb going on portalplayer, then? 12.05.22 # yes 12.05.37 # although it's only a basic usb driver 12.05.57 # well, yes, but it works! 12.06.03 # yes 12.09.53 # http://images.ucomics.com/comics/ga/2007/ga070307.gif 12.09.54 # :D 12.10.47 Quit aliask ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/2007021917]") 12.13.55 Join iwantanimac [0] (n=iwantani@203-59-101-66.dyn.iinet.net.au) 12.14.22 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p54931ADA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 12.15.34 # i am constantly amazed how many people register in the Wiki and fail to read the notices about having to ask for permission to write 12.16.01 # er.. like what exactly? 12.16.04 # I'm constantly amazed about all sorts of things that people feel to read 12.16.19 # especially the big red stuff in bold 12.16.26 # it is mentioned here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome ("...and then ask for write permission") 12.16.41 # preglow: are you interested in working on a USB driver for Rockbox? 12.16.43 # except when it says "DON'T PUSH THE BIG RED BUTTON" 12.16.50 # and here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/TWiki/TWikiRegistration (important note #1) 12.17.00 # barrywardell_: i might be, but i doubt i'll have time 12.17.04 # and then also in the registration confirmation email 12.17.08 # not with the dsp stuff on the todo list 12.17.18 # oh lol that... 12.18.17 # preglow: ok, well let me know if you're interested. I've done a bit of work on it 12.18.21 # we mention it *three* times, and so many people still miss that information 12.18.35 # what's with people and their reading abilities these days 12.18.36 # ? 12.18.44 # dionoea: while we're on the subject, how's the USB stuff going for you? 12.18.46 # barrywardell_: is there any documentation on the USB hardware? 12.19.14 # LinusN: you need bigger letters 12.19.16 # also redder ones 12.19.20 # if they can blink, all the better 12.19.28 # preglow: they need bigger brains 12.19.38 # well, if you can supply that as well... 12.19.44 # if they could somehow reach out of the screen and hit people too - that would be good 12.20.07 # i mean, the note on the registration page is in red letters 12.20.35 # yeah. impossible to miss unless you're colour blind and you can't tell the difference between light blue and bright red... 12.20.45 # which makes a lot of people colour blind. 12.20.46 # judging from a lot of recent posts on the forums, we're getting an influx of total illiterates 12.20.48 # and the guy yesterday failed to read the important notice in red on the ipod installation page 12.21.23 # sometimes you just feel that writing good docs is futile 12.21.28 # * linuxstb suggests we translate pages via http://ssshotaru.homestead.com/files/aolertranslator.html 12.21.50 # linuxstb: lol 12.22.21 # "UR WIKINMA MUST B UR R3AL FIRST AND LAST NME CONCAETNAETD LIEK JONSMITH OR ST3VAANDARSON!!1!!!1! WTF LOL ITS NOT JONS STEVAA OR NINJABOY!!111 LOL WE WIL DALETE UR REGISTRATION WITHOUT NOTIEC IF U BR3AK THES RULA!1!1!!11 WTF" 12.22.57 # we need to answer more forum posts like that 12.23.01 # lol 12.23.19 # right. bookmarked. =P 12.23.45 # I find it odd that google doesn't include AOL speak in their language tools 12.23.46 # Shame the translator doesn't work the other way round... 12.23.53 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b7bf0.ucd.ie) 12.23.57 # they do pig latin and elmer fudd for god's sake 12.24.02 # linuxstb: hahahaha 12.24.10 # bork bork? 12.24.24 # search me 12.24.32 # all the random "wtf"s really bloody crack me up 12.24.57 # lovely 12.25.37 # Hi! = "HI!!1!1 WTF" 12.25.50 Join amigan [0] (i=dcp1990@unaffiliated/amigan) 12.26.11 # yeah, it randomly drops in WTF, OMG, and LOL 12.26.31 # click two more times and Hi! = "HI!!1!1 OMG WTF LOL" 12.27.40 Quit iwantanimac ("iMac, out.") 12.28.24 # * preglow wonders what's up with the pletora of "rescue" modes on sansas 12.28.56 # preglow: no, forgot, and now I have to go again.. 12.29.03 # You think 4 different USB modes is excessive? 12.29.29 # preglow: I think it just shows Sansa understand their target demographic ;) 12.30.10 # markun: i think i'll just go ahead and commit it 12.30.24 # if anyone complains, i'll just revert. as far as i know, it sounds the same 12.31.01 # preglow: ok, I'll check it then when I get back 12.32.48 # LinusN: Did you get my mail? 12.34.23 # pondlife: found it in my spam box :-) 12.34.32 # lol 12.37.05 # Kasperle: sorry. i was afk for a minute there. There are docs and even a linux driver for the USB hardware 12.37.22 # linuxstb: man, you made my day!! This link is "da" best!11! :D 12.38.25 # Kasperle: see the i.MX31 reference manual on the freescale website and this linux driver:http://www.bitshrine.org/gpp/linux-2.6.16-mx31-usb-2.patch 12.41.34 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.230.92) 12.44.35 # * Shaid commits a patch that translates all code comments into AOLspeek 12.45.29 Quit safetydan ("Ex-Chat") 12.45.33 # Hmm, code comments eh? Good idea 12.46.15 # then we could tell everyone to RAED TEH COMM3NTS!!11!!oneoneone 12.47.57 # that aol translator really made me cry at one moment 12.48.14 # pondlife: works perfectly! 12.48.20 # with all 3 remote types 12.48.23 # Good 12.48.37 # Wasn't rocket science, just a little rearrangement 12.48.55 # What remains before v7 then? 12.49.04 # More RTC stuff? Car mode? 12.49.32 # Or is that about it until we get the EEPROM settings 12.49.33 # eeprom settings might be nice, but it seems the h300 OF is a little sensitive to eeprom changes 12.49.48 # Indeed. Might be best to release at this point. 12.50.19 # will you commit? 12.50.24 # Yes 12.51.10 Join muesli- [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.230.92) 12.51.30 Quit Shaid (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.51.34 # barrywardell_: that looks very encouraging 12.54.07 # LinusN: is the pcf stuff for the h300 to get alarm working fairly trivial? or do you need to know what your doing for it? 12.55.17 # Did we fix the occasional H300 EEPROM corruption problem yet? 12.55.21 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 12.56.00 # If we had usbotg in rockbox on the H300, there would be n need for the of 12.56.06 # alas 12.56.13 # LinusN: How's the tracing going? 12.56.17 # * XavierGr points to petur :P 12.56.48 Join mahi [0] (i=3a444a53@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1faa946d1a00a8cf) 12.57.00 # hi all, 12.57.11 # i am using rockbox on my ipod mini, its damn slow, any suggestions 12.57.59 # anybody around :( 12.58.02 # Get a Gigabeat ;) 12.58.04 # amiconn: Rockbox is still missing WMA support and (completed) video playback compared to the H300 OF. 12.58.22 # any suggestions guys 12.58.24 # WMA without DRM 12.58.32 # any tweaks to speed rock box 12.58.46 # Disable the EQ and crossfeed 12.58.53 # oh is it 12.58.54 # Don't use peakmeters on your WPS. 12.58.56 # lemme try 12.59.39 # mahi: Which file format are you playing? 12.59.42 Quit barrywardell () 12.59.56 # mp3 13.00.06 # yeah disabling equalizer worked 13.00.10 # linuxstb: i did measurements on wm8975 treble/bass yesterday, and they do indeed work, but there's also always a gain boost/cut 13.00.27 # pondlife thanx a lot dude 13.00.42 # Anyone know if EQ isn't disabled by default? 13.00.47 # No prob 13.00.58 # yeah it is disabled default 13.01.02 # i enabled it manually 13.01.12 # OK, that's good 13.01.26 # luv Rockbox :) 13.01.26 # Needs optimisation for iPod still.. 13.01.36 # do you have tips ? 13.01.53 # Nope, or I'd do it. 13.02.09 # :)) 13.02.54 # So... LinusN: did we suss out the H300 EEPROM corruption yet? I've only ever seen it once. Recording was suspected wasn't it? 13.04.06 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.05.06 # hey pondlife, can i change rockbox welcome logo 13.05.15 # ahahahah 13.05.19 Quit GodEater_ ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 13.05.30 # this is just too silly for words 13.05.43 # am not a geek :D 13.05.44 # audiohw_set_mixer_vol isn't bloody implemented on wm8975 13.06.02 # no bloody wonder the volume changes 13.06.04 # hey pondlife, can i change rockbox welcome logo 13.06.09 # mahi: If you want to.. .You'll need to look at the code 13.06.27 # #-o, am a lazy dog :D, what ever, i wll check it out 13.06.30 # No idea how, but the source is all there for us to play with 13.06.34 # dont even need to look at the code 13.06.41 # there is a bmp you need to change 13.06.45 # why not if there is a tool to edit splash screen 13.07.04 # path?? JdGordon 13.07.43 # apps/bitmaps/ 13.07.50 # then depends on your target 13.07.53 # and then you to compile your own 13.08.02 # *need to 13.08.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.09.05 # for Mini: rockboxlogo.138x46x2.bmp 13.09.37 Join GodEater_ [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-ff7842798f553af4) 13.13.35 Quit actown (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.13.41 Join actown [0] (n=actown@unaffiliated/actown) 13.19.01 # amiconn: it looks like the wm8975 mixer is after the tone controls, won't that make it unsuitable for prescaling? 13.19.05 # since it's not really pre anymore 13.20.49 Join austriancoder [0] (n=austrian@80.120.117.30) 13.22.45 # austriancoder: tomorows the big day, aye? :) 13.22.45 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.23.42 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 13.23.52 Join Id2ndR [0] (n=ubuntu@laf31-2-62-34-88-193.dsl.club-internet.fr) 13.24.54 # JdGordon: no.. its on the 9th :) 13.25.56 # well.. umm... its almost the 8th here... so close enough to the th being tomorow :p 13.26.12 # *g* okay 13.27.37 # JdGordon: so, all the start screen options work now? 13.27.50 # hopefully 13.27.59 Quit GodEater_ ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 13.28.23 # noone has mentioned anything else which needs attention.. (or reminindg if i've forgotten) 13.29.03 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.29.23 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B9612D.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.31.17 Quit Ribs ("eh eh ehhhh!") 13.33.22 Join GodEater_ [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-4f044493d94daf1a) 13.36.23 # JdGordon : Shall I get testing .... ? ;p 13.37.16 # no! 13.37.21 # anyone but you :D 13.37.30 # im busy with other parts of the code now :p 13.37.31 # lol... I'm just compiling now... 13.37.58 # * pondlife wonders if jhMikeS has a headache yet? 13.39.17 Part jhulst ("Kopete 0.12.4 : http://kopete.kde.org") 13.40.53 # * JdGordon is scared he knows the answer already... _BUT_... 13.41.08 # anyone not like this patch? http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/changes.patch 13.41.26 # it replaces the old menu api with wrappers around the new api 13.42.02 # Why is that needed? Shouldn't we just try and change all the old menus? 13.42.24 # including all the plugin menus? 13.42.28 # Yes. 13.42.38 # sure, but untill then, this shuold go in 13.42.46 # shold save a few bytes... 13.43.00 # preglow: It seems that the WM8975 tone controls are meant to be used independently from the volume, similar to how it's done in the MAS3587F / MAS3539F 13.43.07 # JdGordon: It just seems a waste of time to me... 13.43.13 # So no pre- or post-scaling should be applied 13.43.23 # probably.. but its finished and working.. so that time is gone anyway :p 13.44.03 Quit mahi ("CGI:IRC") 13.44.23 # JdGordon: I like that argument ;) 13.44.40 # tenthdb2mixer() seems to be just taken from the uda1380 driver.... 13.44.54 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.217.125) 13.46.20 # LinusN: amiconn ? 13.46.53 # drops 800 bytes from the v2 rec 13.47.04 # so thats almost good enough reason to do it i tihnk :p 13.47.56 # Go for it, but don't go to bed until you're sure it's working properly :) 13.49.03 # * JdGordon better test voice :p 13.49.20 # Aha, a guilty conscience? 13.49.43 Quit GodEater_ ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 13.49.47 Quit dpmarsh (Remote closed the connection) 13.50.05 Join GodEater_ [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-0b589653719bf250) 13.50.07 # preglow: Basically, sound.c: set_prescaled_volume() should be ifdefed out for WM8975, and volume, treble and bass set directly in their respective set_* functions, without any interdependency 13.50.43 # pondlife: no.. but tired 13.51.34 # amiconn: then it looses the possibility to use sw tone controls 13.51.43 # argh 13.51.44 # i hate that mess 13.52.17 # Aren't sw tone controls only for players with no hardware tone control? 13.52.42 # i use them for wm8975 too 13.52.50 # since the bass/treble controls there are fairly limited 13.53.11 # the real hardware values don't even map well onto the settings range rockbox currently uses 13.53.22 # OK, then why bother with the hardware controls? 13.53.40 # * pondlife is probably asking stupid questions 13.54.09 # preglow: +dB/-6dB is not sufficient? 13.54.16 # +9dB even 13.55.21 # pondlife: they don't use as much battery, and are sometimes quite sufficient 13.55.38 # amiconn: it's -6 db -> 9 db, and no, i don't really think that is sufficient 13.55.46 # but i don't care much, i almost never use them 13.56.09 # but it's my code, and i'd just like it if it could be enabled fairly easily on all platforms 13.56.22 # but i should probably spend the time on something better 13.56.26 Quit Id2ndR ("Parti") 13.56.27 # but but but 13.56.27 # I'd go with hardware only. Having 2 sets of tone controls (plus EQ) is only going to confuse users. 13.56.35 # pondlife: not two sets, just one set 13.56.41 # pondlife: if you use sw tone controls, that's all you have 13.56.57 # OK, so using more battery then... 13.56.59 # pondlife: they already in svn, so nothing new there 13.57.12 # That's ok, I thought you were proposing both being available. 13.57.13 # pondlife: well, if you value sound quality more than battery life 13.58.07 # Depends entirely. I would personally always rate battery life above sound quality 13.58.16 # preglow: Still no biggie to allow for sw tone controls, just some more ifdefs 13.58.17 # But I use my DAP on the move 13.58.47 # * amiconn thinks -6 -> +9 dB is sufficient 13.59.06 # how many of the other wm codecs should behave the same? 13.59.14 # I just need tone controls to account for fletcher-munson, because I use moderate listening volumes 13.59.39 # preglow: Don't know about the 8758; the others don't have hw tone controls anyway 14.00.26 # 8731l seems to be mostly identical to 8975 14.00.59 # The 8731 doesn't have tone controls 14.01.15 # yeah 14.01.50 # it's still listed in set_prescaled_volume, though 14.01.52 # i'll just gut it out 14.02.51 # gigabeat's wm8751 is supposed to be the same, so i'll gut that out too 14.03.17 # Same for 8721 (and 8711), i.e. the minis 14.03.50 # only 8758 left, then 14.04.34 # and i'm willing to bet that's the same 14.04.49 Nick _kclaf is now known as kclaf (i=kclaf@crj95-3-82-237-150-15.fbx.proxad.net) 14.08.33 # linuxstb: you know what datasheet you based the 8758 on? 14.09.05 Join ackbahr [0] (n=ackbahr@d83-180-227-205.cust.tele2.ch) 14.15.07 # amiconn: the wm codecs that have tone controls seem to use 1.5 db increments, resulting in most of the values in rockbox being wrong 14.15.15 # oh bluddy helll I even remebered to use the right type cast :'( 14.15.54 # ah, what cast do we use for int > void* ? 14.16.38 # the bass/treble settings only seems to use integers, though 14.17.05 # i could extend them to use tenth db for all targets to fix 14.18.13 # perhaps it would be just as good to pretend the the increment is 2db 14.18.41 # it'll be completely wrong, of course... 14.19.16 Quit ackbahr (Remote closed the connection) 14.19.22 # JdGordon: Crash! 14.19.29 # n burn! 14.19.30 # where? 14.19.45 # In the H300 sim, go into the debug menu and press PLAY 14.20.21 # JdGordon: 64-bit warnings 14.20.27 # Also, I can get stuck in the menus still :( 14.20.35 # pixelma: I know... what cast is needed there? 14.20.54 # don't ask me! :P 14.21.15 # pondlife: dont press play there then :p 14.21.59 # preglow: Maybe we should go for tenth dB and have appropriate step sizes 14.22.01 # SEGFAULT. #0 0x6f696475 in ?? 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Time for a new release? 15.14.40 # LinusN: amiconn thinks it's a thread that doesn't behave 15.14.54 # LinusN: i vaguely recollect having the same on h120, but might not be 15.15.16 # Maybe related to the disk access problem me and jhMikeS have seen? 15.15.16 # preglow: it usually is a misbehaving thread 15.16.12 # pondlife: perhaps 15.17.01 # Go on, make a new bootloader release, then we can close 2 bugs on Flyspray, including a 3.0 one! 15.17.36 # pondlife: i think we want to turn off the text output, don't we? 15.17.52 # amiconn: with no prescaling the bass boost is bloody unusable 15.17.54 # Personally I prefer it. 15.18.06 Quit Hadaka (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.18.12 # But if it'll speed up boot then go for it 15.18.56 # Time for lunch, back in 20 15.19.34 # LinusN: while you are around, any chance you fix the LCD glich that we have at X5 start up? 15.19.54 # causing by ane Gigabeat commit iirc 15.20.01 # *caused 15.23.16 # i believe that is fixed in cvs 15.23.19 # svn 15.23.40 # unfortunatly that isn't here with fresh clean svn :( 15.24.08 # and I don't remenber to saw a commit in this way, but maybe I missed it? 15.24.25 # Moos: you see the glitch with the svn bootloader? 15.24.48 # no, the V2 one, I never build bootloader myself 15.24.54 # The lcd glitch isn't fixed in svn. And it's not only the X5, but also e.g. the H300 15.25.02 # ouch :( 15.25.25 # isn't just few commit lines to revert? 15.26.03 # amiconn: i'm pretty sure i fixed it when i split the bootloader source files 15.26.25 # LinusN: then a V3 is comming? 15.26.32 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.230.92) 15.27.02 # * amiconn isn't sure whether we're talking about the same glitch 15.27.10 # at start? 15.27.22 # during rockbox logo? 15.27.27 # hmmm, maybe i'm silly, it's not about the bootloader...... 15.27.44 # isn't about firmware.c? 15.27.59 # it's about the startup order in main.c iirc 15.28.27 # ah yes 15.28.31 # I'm trying to remenber which commit precisely caused this 15.28.37 # so it has little to do with the bootloader 15.28.40 # find out? 15.28.59 # it's caused by slasheris cosmetic fix for the flashed iriver 15.29.47 Join lucas42 [0] (i=proxyuse@80.193.213.131) 15.30.00 # which works fine for the h100 series but bad for those targets that turn off the lcd when the backlight is off 15.31.09 Quit webguest40 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 15.31.29 Join ackbahr_ [0] (n=ackbahr@d83-181-114-93.cust.tele2.ch) 15.32.30 # The backlight also behaves ugly on my mini g2 15.32.42 # That's since the same commit iirc 15.32.44 Part Moos 15.33.25 Join Moos [0] (i=5950bebb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-27440dbfff1627e2) 15.33.37 # it behaves ugly during shutdown on nano, but i guess that's something else 15.34.35 Join perplexity [0] (n=joust@dxb-as1554.alshamil.net.ae) 15.35.38 Join soundavinci [0] (i=436769f2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7d6a43e5b54e0cfd) 15.36.06 Quit muesli- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.36.13 Part soundavinci 15.36.30 Join webguest61 [0] (i=436769f2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-26601dcbef01e1a5) 15.36.33 # let's revert that main.c change and let Slasheri do it correctly 15.36.46 Quit ackbahr_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.37.02 # agreed 15.37.08 # committing in a sec 15.37.27 # preglow: The shutdown ugliness is also present on the mini 15.38.12 # Hi, I know it is boring you, but I'm standing just before the question to buy me a 60GB or the 80GB ipod and I want to know that is the actual status on the 80GB version of RockBox? 15.38.46 # * amiconn points at LinusN 15.38.49 # webguest61: the 80GB is not functional yet 15.38.54 # amiconn: backlight fades on and off several times here 15.39.30 # not yet is OK, but will it or nether 15.40.08 # it's in the works 15.40.15 # preglow: didn't you say that in order for rtc to work on H300 Linus has to fix something on the bootloader? 15.40.26 # XavierGr: yeah, but that may have been done, i can't remember 15.41.09 # after that it should just be a case of merging the already very similar drivers and adding a sprinkling of #define HAVE_RTC_ALARM 15.41.57 # LinusN, amiconn: wa don't have yet RTC_ALARM on X5 yet, right? 15.42.07 # the same applies there 15.43.45 Quit ackbahr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.44.57 # Moos: no 15.45.44 # webguest61: it will be fixed, once i manage to find the time and will to continue working on it 15.46.07 # LinusN: is it an hardware issue? 15.46.17 # Moos: the 80GB? 15.46.38 # hehe, no the rtc alarm for iaudios :) 15.46.53 # it is a bootloader thing 15.47.02 # ah ok 15.47.12 # and a simple one too 15.47.31 # good to know :-) 15.48.59 Join web-taz [0] (n=taz@p5081BAFD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.57.47 Quit web-taz (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.57.48 # hrmph 15.57.56 # amiconn: ? 15.58.02 Join web-taz [0] (n=taz@p5081BAFD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.58.53 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@p54BCDCD5.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.02.52 # * amiconn wonders whether people will ever learn that sizeof(int) == sizeof(void*) is not always true 16.03.23 # ah that one 16.03.25 # 14.24.43 # can someone please fix my warnings? 16.03.25 # 14.24.47 # * JdGordon falling asleep 16.03.35 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@avc146.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 16.06.12 Join Ribs [0] (n=ribs@91.84.8.218) 16.06.27 Join Ribs2 [0] (n=ribs@91.84.8.218) 16.06.29 Quit Ribs2 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.08.31 Part LinusN 16.11.22 # amiconn: well, how would it be best to convert from int to void* ? 16.11.50 # Either don't use int but intptr_t, or double cast 16.12.37 # intptr_t would be the best, i don't think i can be bothered to do that big a fix when it's not my bug 16.12.46 # The warning us there to make sure the programmer knows what he is doing 16.12.58 # s/us/is/ 16.13.27 # doing a (void*)(intptr_t) works fine 16.13.43 # should i jsut commit that for now? 16.14.53 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c94b232104764a85) 16.15.33 # can somebody confirm that h1x0 recording from digital can do 16bit/48kHz 16.15.37 # Is there any way to perform a 64-bit style compile in a 32-bit environment (i.e to check for these things) 16.15.58 # petur: i've done it 16.16.05 Quit GodEater_ ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 16.16.07 # preglow: thanks 16.16.10 # petur: shouldn't spdif recording do whatever you throw at it? 16.16.31 # petur: hi.. its me Christian from the mail 16.16.37 # pondlife: well, i think you could do parts of it 16.16.37 # I wasn't sure, but I thought it should 16.17.10 # hmm. What's the exact use of intptr_t anyway? 16.17.18 # preglow: I was wondering if there was any compiler option to assume 64 bit? 16.17.21 # petur: spdif should be able to do whatever you throw at it, since the clock is taken from the spdif signal itself. the tagged sample rate might be wrong if you use something too esoteric or the word clock is too far away from where it should be, though 16.17.29 # pondlife: -m64 16.17.39 # Wooh, I'll check that with the borked menu.c. 16.17.42 Join perl|work [0] (n=jacquesc@static-64-61-105-170.isp.broadviewnet.net) 16.17.53 # pondlife: don't expect to be able to link, but compiles should work 16.18.00 # hi austriancoder 16.18.01 # That's all I need 16.18.01 Quit webguest61 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 16.18.37 # Nope. My gcc just gives "sorry, unimplemented: 64-bit mode not compiled in" 16.19.00 Quit BigBambi ("Leaving") 16.19.01 # austriancoder: Sorry to turn the request down, I'm just not up to it atm 16.19.17 # * petur runs away again - damn work 16.19.23 Quit petur (Client Quit) 16.19.49 Join Nishadham [0] (n=chatzill@82-41-25-11.cable.ubr04.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 16.20.05 Quit lucas42 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.22.19 Join GodEater_ [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-9470e147ff8f16b9) 16.23.27 # amiconn: why do some of the mas chips have bass and treble defaults set to anything else than 0 ? 16.23.44 # as a matter of fact, it looks like that's the case for all of them 16.24.36 # yes it is 16.24.49 # yeah I just encountered that with my ondio 16.25.19 # I checked the newly rockboxed booted ondio and it had other values instead of 0 on the bass and treble settings 16.26.23 # amiconn: but why? 16.27.17 # This is ooold, and afaik it is to make rockbox sound 'better' by default 16.27.36 # I guess it just mimics the retailos default 16.27.56 # It's been like that even before I joined the project 16.28.05 # hm, ok 16.28.22 # but yeah, i'm going to make the values tenthdb by default 16.28.34 # I have no strong opinion on these defaults, maybe they should just be 0 16.28.36 Join |Rincewind| [0] (i=7FqMAHOn@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 16.29.05 # i'd say we just keep them as it is 16.29.20 # if that's what people are used to and all 16.29.23 # No-one has complained about them... 16.29.26 Quit Nishadham ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/2007021917]") 16.33.11 # * GodEater_ wonders if dan_a is paying attention 16.35.02 # preglow: Rather colourful size diff line... 16.36.20 # what's a good EAC equivalent on *nix ? 16.36.26 # amiconn: heh, yeah, i already knew it'd gain a bit for coldfire but forgot to check arm 16.36.48 Join lucas42 [0] (i=proxyuse@80.193.213.131) 16.37.13 # depends on HAVE_SW_TONE_CONTROLS too, yes 16.37.14 # preglow: Looks like it's a gain for sw tone control targets 16.37.35 # yeah, they have one filter design routine less 16.37.58 # i mainly just did that commit for cleaner code 16.38.08 # having two almost identical functions bothers me 16.38.47 # if i didn't have to keep the crossfeed sound the same as before, it'd be a bit smaller on all targets 16.39.35 # * amiconn thinks that this delta table is very useful even for targets where we don't need to squeeze out every byte 16.40.16 # i think the table is great 16.40.29 # It also shows whether only expected changes happen, e.g. when adding swcodec code, archos bin sizes should stay the same etc 16.40.32 # it's always interesting to see how your code affects each target 16.40.41 # yeaj 16.40.45 # yeah, even 16.41.47 # It also shows that ucl compression sometimes reacts funny on size changes; sometimes the delta for recorders is bigger than e.g. for fm recorders, or it goes in the opposite direction 16.48.55 # what's the SOUND_LEFT_GAIN and SOUND_RIGHT_GAIN defines in sound.c do? input gain? 16.49.40 Quit scorche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.50.27 # SOUND_LEFT_GAIN, SOUND_RIGHT_GAIN and SOUND_MIC_GAIN are for recording 16.50.30 # they and mic gain is everything that's done in val2phys anyway 16.50.49 # yes 16.50.59 # hmm 16.51.07 # you're probably going to need to test this patch a lot before i commit 16.51.13 # can't test any of this mas stuff 16.52.47 Join topbloke [0] (i=top_blok@adsl-75-57-92-48.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) 16.56.58 Quit austriancoder ("Lost terminal") 16.57.00 # is someone with svn access can commit this francais.lang update please: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6755 ? 16.57.10 Join ackbahr [0] (n=ackbahr@d83-181-114-93.cust.tele2.ch) 16.57.23 Join illriginal [0] (n=illrigin@c-66-229-128-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 16.58.06 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@ppp-69-238-95-133.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net) 16.58.57 # <|Rincewind|> GodEater: you could try "abcde" I think it has a paranoia mode 16.59.33 # |Rincewind|: In the gap between asking the question and your answer, I've done a little research, and it seems cdparanoia is the way to go for the rip 16.59.48 # <|Rincewind|> I haven't done any cd ripping on linux, yet. One of the few reasons to boot into Win again - EAC for ripping and foobar2k and mp3tag for organizing 16.59.57 # amiconn: we're going to need phys2val if we remove val2phys, won't we? 17.00.01 # If you want it graphical, you could use grip. It has cdparanoia built in 17.00.25 # I'm not bothered about the front end 17.00.36 # I'd personally use extrackt if I was 17.01.13 # |Rincewind|: abcde simply uses cdparanoia (or cdda2wav), so you have everything cdparanoia supplies 17.01.15 # <|Rincewind|> GodEater_: Have you find out if cdparanoia runs fast with Plextor drives? 17.01.35 # |Rincewind|: I haven't because I don't own one 17.01.40 # it does. 17.02.02 # at least it did with my old plextor burner, but I haven't used that drive for quite a while 17.02.06 # <|Rincewind|> in EAC there was this nice option to use the internal plextor C2 checking for secure rip 17.02.12 # this will by first foray into speex - going to be encoding the complete Hitchiker's Guide radio scripts this evening 17.02.33 # |Rincewind|: is that the Q sub-channel stuff to keep track of the TOC ? 17.02.33 # preglow: I don't think so. We should rather add set functions for these, like those we have for the other settings 17.03.03 # |Rincewind|: if so - that won't be in cdparanoia until paranoia IV - due anytime now 17.03.45 Quit ackbahr ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.10/2007021601]") 17.03.47 # <|Rincewind|> never heard of Q-sub-channel 17.04.03 # Moos: done. 17.04.08 # |Rincewind|: http://www.xiph.org/paranoia/faq.html#play 17.04.31 # |Rincewind|: read the rant at the bottom of the answer 17.05.16 # And the sound_set_* functions should imho be part of the respective audio codec driver if it's a hwcodec target 17.05.17 # what that all boils down to is "reading CD Audio as data is not easy" (tm) 17.05.18 # amiconn: yeah, but those set functions will need to convert from physical value to device value anyway, so we're not actually getting rid of any code 17.05.21 # bluebrother: merci ;) 17.05.53 # This should also allow to redirect them to the sw tone controls for the sim, but with the respective hw tone control ranges 17.06.25 # preglow: Maybe, but at least it gets cleaner on the app layer 17.06.51 # <|Rincewind|> reading the rant, I assume that EAC uses Q-subchannel for the Detect Gaps feature, not the actual ripping 17.08.15 # <|Rincewind|> "Can cdparanoia detect pregaps? Can it remove the two second gaps between tracks 17.08.15 # <|Rincewind|> Not yet. This feature is slated to appear in Paranoia IV." That is almost a show-stopper for me. 17.08.31 # amiconn: why isn't the mas code moved to the target tree, btw? 17.08.34 # stick to EAC then =/ 17.08.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.09.07 # preglow: That would be wrong. The mas code is chip dependent, not taret dependent 17.09.41 # true 17.09.41 # amiconn: is there any known limitation as to why other grayscale targets don't have the videoplayer plugin? 17.09.55 # I ripped all my CDs using cdparanoia and didn't discover any problems 17.10.23 # bluebrother: I'm also not blessed (or cursed) with golden ear drums, so I fully expect it to be fine 17.10.31 # XavierGr: The limitation is that swcodec needs libmad linked to the video player, and no-one ever looked into this to make it happen 17.10.52 # Wett started, but then vanished from irc and didn't publish his wip 17.11.09 # the pregap is something the recorder decides to put into the CD structure, so I don't see a reason of removing that -- if they decide to put those gaps in they usually have a reason. 17.11.49 # I'm not sure I even understand what a pregap is 17.11.57 # amiconn:what about only rendering the video and ignore the audio stream? 17.12.26 # you can even use the pregap to embed hidden tracks ;) 17.12.38 # <|Rincewind|> bluebrother: true, on most cds the gaps are intentional, But there are some cds where I prefer to rip without gaps 17.13.01 # the CDs I want to rip without gaps are mastered to not include those gaps. 17.13.03 # |Rincewind|: just take them out afterwards with audacity or something ;) 17.13.21 # So I don't see a reason changing something the guys that made the CD added intentional 17.13.33 Quit lucas42 ("Leaving.") 17.13.38 # <|Rincewind|> well, postprocessing with audacity is overkill and results in much work 17.13.59 # pansy, where's your commitment ? ;) 17.14.18 # XavierGr: Should be relatively easy; but the toolchain for making rvf also needs adjusting 17.14.38 # Different resolutions, and more important, different internal lcd refresh rates 17.14.54 # <|Rincewind|> bluebrother: on compilation cds I like to leave the gaps out, because they are not part of the song. And then there is the case when I get a burned cd from a friend with added gaps 17.15.07 # If the refresh rate doesn't match, it starts to flicker horribly 17.15.21 # would you say range checking in the set_* functions is necessary? 17.15.33 # For the greyscale ipods the pixel format also needs to be different 17.15.35 # they really shouldn't ever be outside the range in the settings struct 17.15.49 # ... and possibly these compilation CDs are made from bad mp3 files or whatever ... I prefer the original CDs for maximum quality :) 17.15.56 # (horizontal packing instead of vertical) 17.16.35 # XavierGr: And btw, greyscale video with no audio isn't really fun. 17.16.36 # too much work for audio material that might be of doubtable source quality 17.16.43 # <|Rincewind|> true, original is always better, but not always affordable 17.17.52 Join Lynx [0] (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 17.18.50 # but if I don't know if the source is good I don't want to spend time on quality that might not be present at all 17.19.57 # <|Rincewind|> well, putting the cd in the drive, starting EAC, hitting F4 and then ripping isn't much time spent 17.20.38 Quit topbloke ("bye") 17.20.45 # amiconn: audiohw_set_bass() and co should take tenthdb arguments, or? currentlysome take native args, some take db 17.22.58 # booting windows only for the purpose of ripping a CD is wasted time :P 17.24.23 # bluebrother: there's always vmware 17.24.43 # GodEater_: sure, but that won't work with direct hardware access. 17.25.03 # for everything else I have a VirtualBox image running w2k 17.25.09 Quit Lynx_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 17.25.09 Nick Lynx is now known as Lynx_ (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 17.29.16 # I looked at ReactOS today 17.29.25 # nice idea, but far from mature 17.29.57 # amiconn: everything looks a bit uglier with all the .0 dB now, though :/ 17.31.15 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 17.32.05 # bye all, have a good day or whatever 17.32.08 Quit Moos ("CGI:IRC") 17.32.27 # amiconn: also, wps makes assumptions about how the format of the volume variable, that swine 17.34.19 Quit illriginal ("Leaving") 17.37.33 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@p549AD07C.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.38.47 Quit GodEater_ ("CGI:IRC") 17.43.11 Quit blithe (Remote closed the connection) 17.43.20 Join blithe [0] (n=blithe@shrv-c-068.resnet.purdue.edu) 17.48.22 # volume fading is in gwps-common.c ... 17.48.49 Join webtaz [0] (n=taz@p5081C588.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.56.12 Join CriamosAndy [0] (n=Criamos@p54930975.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.59.21 Quit desowin (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17.59.58 Join ackbahr [0] (n=ackbahr@d83-181-114-93.cust.tele2.ch) 18.00.39 Quit PaulJam (".") 18.00.48 Join blueworm [0] (n=blueworm@7.Red-80-32-172.staticIP.rima-tde.net) 18.04.41 Quit Criamos (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 18.06.17 Quit web-taz (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.11.13 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 18.11.35 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@avc146.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 18.12.52 Part toffe82 18.13.42 Quit ackbahr (Remote closed the connection) 18.19.05 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A97501.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.21.10 Quit blueworm ("Leaving") 18.21.56 Join ackbahr [0] (n=ackbahr@d83-181-114-93.cust.tele2.ch) 18.22.01 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 18.22.41 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18.24.54 Quit ackbahr (Remote closed the connection) 18.27.23 Join ackbahr [0] (n=ackbahr@d83-181-114-93.cust.tele2.ch) 18.27.55 Join web-taz [0] (n=taz@p50819A12.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.28.08 Quit ackbahr (Remote closed the connection) 18.30.05 Join ackbahr [0] (n=ackbahr@d83-181-114-93.cust.tele2.ch) 18.35.57 # wow 18.36.29 # * amiconn wonders how people are able to apply that kind of raw force to an electronic device :/ 18.37.05 # * amiconn received the defective Ondio he got from ebay 18.37.42 # haha 18.37.44 # It's not the kind of defect I expected, but a very different one that leaves raw force as the only possible cause 18.37.44 # what happened to it? 18.38.14 Join datachild [0] (n=datachil@217-208-144-87-no75.tbcn.telia.com) 18.38.15 # The flash rom (which is located "under" the MMC slot) was stripped from the board 18.38.41 # Not the mass storage flash but the firmware flash 18.39.07 # The only explanation is that someone tried to force an SD card into the slot, while the manual clearly says it's an MMC slot 18.39.14 # (and MMC *only*) 18.39.31 # Go on, push harder, you know it'll fit 18.39.49 # hahaha 18.39.57 Join inversions [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 18.39.57 # It's also not the kind of Ondio as advertised on ebay, but a better one 18.40.11 # amiconn - the digital coroner 18.40.12 # The auction said it's an SP, but in fact it's an old-type Ondio FM 18.40.39 # (the one with the Samsung tuner and just "Ondio 128" written on the front) 18.41.12 # amiconn: you think i should make the settings formatter drop the .0 if it's not needed? the volume settings look uglier with all the x.0 dB 18.41.12 # If the board is not too damaged, I might be able to salvage it by resoldering the flash 18.41.25 # Somewhat tricky because it's a TSOP32... 18.41.51 # Even if that's not possible, it's still a resource for spare parts 18.42.12 # Only cost me EUR1.50 (plus 4.50 for shipment) 18.42.15 Join dpmarsh [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 18.42.50 # helloooooo 18.42.51 # preglow: Hmm... 18.44.22 # amiconn: i also hack all the audiohw_set_* to take tenthdb format variables now so most of the conversion doesn't need to take place in sound.c 18.44.55 # Hmm. Then you could directly link the audiohw_* functions in sound.c for hw controls 18.44.58 # is there anyone here who authorize my TWiki account to be able to upload a WPS? 18.45.08 # amiconn: no, prescaling 18.45.23 # Ah, ok 18.45.24 # amiconn: i probably can for some targets, though 18.45.27 Join Juice^ [0] (n=Juice^^@213.167.96.196) 18.45.29 # but i'll see later 18.45.44 # Yes, at least for MAS35xxF 18.45.54 # (not the D) 18.45.57 # it's not very sim friendly, though 18.46.01 Quit webtaz (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.46.11 # true 18.46.29 # We could probably go with a (target-only) #define for certain targets 18.46.58 # yeah 18.47.47 # Re the Ondio: This must be the explanation, because the metal "hood" of the MMC slot is bent as well 18.49.32 # i bet the seller feels really clever 18.49.40 # lol 18.51.51 # amiconn: dropping .0 for integers looks better when all entries are integers, but kind of messy for mixed lists, like how bass/treble is for wm8975 now 18.52.04 # amiconn: but i guess that's better than forcing .0 on everything else just because of that one codec chip 18.52.36 # Yes, probably 18.52.53 # We could go for 0.5dB steps on MAS35xxF 18.52.58 # (treble & bass) 18.53.02 # kinda useless, if you ask me 18.53.05 # but why not 18.53.20 # It can even do 0.125dB steps, but that'd be overkill 18.53.46 # 0.5 dB is the very edge case for overkill 18.53.56 # yes 18.54.01 # most people can't hear 0.5 db changes in treble or bass 18.54.23 # By definition, 1dB changes are "barely noticeable" 18.54.29 # Does gui_syncsplash display on all screens (i.e. the remotes too)? 18.54.42 # yes, 18.55.10 # amiconn: there is something called adaptive bass for 8975, i wonder if that might be better than the db control 18.55.15 # i think i'll try it out 18.57.15 # it doesn't clip as much, no 18.57.27 # think i'll stick with the other ones, easier to document 18.59.18 # pondlife: that's what the "sync" part means. 19.00.44 # Of course 19.00.47 # * preglow wonders what the intval parameter to get_tag() in gwps-common.c is for 19.03.37 # amiconn: stuff like all the tables and tendth2reg() for mas3507d doesn't really belong in sound.c, imo 19.04.35 # No, it would belong to a mas3507d driver 19.04.46 # But such doesn't exist yet 19.05.45 # preglow: primarily for the "enums". 19.06.21 # Lear: intval? 19.06.41 # amiconn: http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/sound_param_range.patch 19.06.50 # that's what i have so far 19.07.03 # only done volume/bass/treble related stuff yet 19.07.03 # preglow: yes. 19.07.22 # what are these enums? :> 19.07.49 # is there anyone here who can authorize my TWiki account to be able to upload a WPS? 19.08.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.09.21 # In a .wps file, you can write something like %?bl (or use images...). 19.09.38 # That would display "Empty" or "Not empty" for the battery level... 19.09.44 # then i wonder what the volume tag uses it for 19.09.49 # ah, right 19.09.50 # get it 19.10.50 Quit ackbahr (Remote closed the connection) 19.11.44 # Volumne: %?pv<0|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10> 19.11.56 # the returned value is spread across the values between < > 19.12.09 Join nls [0] (n=nils@nl104-202-175.student.uu.se) 19.12.49 # dpmarsh: I guess you are DavidMarsh? 19.12.53 # yes 19.14.40 # try now - should work but I've never done that before.... 19.14.51 # oh cool. thx. i'll give it a try 19.15.28 # "Committing database: [8/7]" 19.15.32 Quit perplexity ("* 'night *") 19.15.53 # The 7 is hard-coded, is there somewhere else I could get that from? 19.16.05 # pondlife: I've already told Slasheri 19.16.26 # Yes, but I'm reusing that code for a patch.. just wondered 19.16.45 # Got a nice database auto-making thingy going on here for root_menu.c. 19.17.25 # And I'm making these non-LANGed strings LANGed. 19.18.24 # ah ok 19.18.41 # Actually that one is langed... bad example. 19.19.13 # i think that worked i can edit now. thx 19.20.31 # np - and don't spam ;) 19.23.10 # pondlife: in FS#6691 you asked me to run the sim under gdb. Care to guide me or opint me to some simple instructions, I have never used it before. 19.25.10 # OK. Have you built a sim yet? 19.25.36 # I only have experience under Cygwin too, note. 19.25.43 # soon :-) building now 19.26.53 # ok, done 19.27.02 # OK, do you now have a rockboxui.exe ? 19.27.16 # nope, i'm on linux 19.27.31 # Aha, so I don't know from here... ;) 19.27.53 # I have a rockboxui executable tho... 19.28.00 # OK, try this.. 19.28.07 # gdb rockboxui 19.28.56 # ok, it says (gdb) in the terminal window, but the sim didn't pop up 19.29.01 # Good. 19.29.03 # Now type run 19.29.19 # ok, seems to work 19.29.28 # OK. Now learn gdb! 19.30.06 # Some useful commands to look up: bt, break, continue, next 19.32.18 # Not repairable. 11 out of 32 pads were ripped off the board, there is nothing I could solder 11 of the chip leads to :( 19.32.38 # Hmm, violence. 19.33.52 # GodEater: You were after me earlier? 19.39.13 # amiconn: how much did you paid for it? 19.39.22 # EUR 1.50 19.39.37 # It was explicitly sold as "defective, doesn't power on anymore" 19.39.37 # Then I guess it is a "Rest in piece Onio". 19.40.07 # I wanted to have a look whether it can be revived, and if not, it's still good for spare parts 19.40.33 # I could also take the tuner board and try to convert my SP into an FM 19.40.39 # XavierGr: you mean "pieces" ;) 19.40.46 # hehe 19.40.53 # damn I typed piece? 19.41.16 Join Fullmetal [0] (i=551a0c32@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1ff670faaa879f75) 19.41.26 # If I add a LANG block to english.lang, I don't need to add it to the other .lang files, do I? 19.41.32 # XavierGr: Btw, did you get an old style or new style FM? 19.41.44 Quit web-taz (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.42.15 # hi 19.42.35 # Hmm, SP->FM conversion isn't that trivial. I would have to swap the MAS as well 19.42.37 # hi 19.42.56 # I could make a special "Ondio SP with radio" 19.43.24 # I could even make it record, but only to wav, not mp3 19.43.24 Quit Fullmetal (Client Quit) 19.43.36 # <|Rincewind|> I am trying to use gdb with rockbox sim under Emacs. Does anyone have experience with this? 19.46.26 # amiconn: what do I need to look in order to understand if it is an old style FM? 19.47.03 # Info->Debug->View HW info, then check the mask value 19.47.19 # 0x0708 would be old style, 0x0F08 new style 19.48.08 # pixelma: whatever you did worked, my theme has been uploaded. thanks 19.50.23 # hey how is 5.5G 80GB support for rockbox going? 19.51.04 Join webguest86 [0] (i=5593026f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-73ddaa72af0ba76d) 19.52.12 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 19.52.12 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@unaffiliated/funky) 19.53.36 Join ackbahr [0] (n=ackbahr@d83-181-114-93.cust.tele2.ch) 19.53.50 Quit ackbahr (Remote closed the connection) 19.54.03 # isn't 1% resolution for stereo width a bit overkill? 19.54.06 # 5% sounds better 19.54.32 Join ackbahr [0] (n=ackbahr@d83-181-114-93.cust.tele2.ch) 19.54.52 Join z0de [0] (i=z0de@80-194-233-59.cable.ubr01.enfi.blueyonder.co.uk) 19.55.58 # Sounds resonable, but then I don' use it. 19.56.00 Quit ackbahr (Remote closed the connection) 19.56.38 Quit webguest86 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 19.59.32 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 20.00.38 # Anyone mind if I commit a bit of code to initialise the database automatically if the user selects Database from the main menu? 20.01.05 # think that's a good idea? 20.01.09 # amiconn: what do you say? is 5% good enough? 20.01.10 # that takes a couple of minutes 20.01.20 # It's a background process 20.01.37 # pondlife: but it will not be useful to the user 20.01.39 # Just like the current stuff, but automated 20.01.51 # It leads them through the process 20.01.56 # unless you output a message "initializing now, check back later" 20.01.58 # ah 20.01.59 # No 20.02.24 # I put a counter up displaying progress (# of files) and allow them to exit with the stop key 20.02.48 # that sounds quite excellent to me, then :) 20.02.55 # They can come back in and it will show them the counter, then prompt them to reboot if needed. 20.03.08 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@ppp-69-238-95-133.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net) 20.03.24 # I'm hoping we can then scrap the seperate initialise option later, so it won't be pure bloat ;) 20.05.26 # Separate initialise option isn't bloat. It's necessary if you want a clean rebuild 20.05.42 # <|Rincewind|> but it should ask "would like to init database now?" fist 20.05.55 # OK 20.05.59 # Why? 20.05.59 # Auto-update doesn't remove entries when database is not in ram 20.06.04 # <|Rincewind|> I don't want the database created if I accidentally select the wrong entry in root menu 20.06.15 # As a non-database user you mean? 20.06.15 # And on some targets, putting it in ram isn't available 20.06.38 # pondlife, what is that DB for? 20.06.44 # * ompaul knows where it is 20.07.10 # In fact, removing stale entries in auto-update only works with both dircache enabled and the db loaded into ram 20.07.19 # (iirc) 20.07.21 # it is not obvious what I should be using it for - I only have the root menu a few days (iaudio) and no idea what it is for 20.07.32 # Don't worry, I'm not going to remove the init option. 20.07.55 # Just make the process a bit simpler for users, hopefully. 20.08.08 # <|Rincewind|> pondlife: yes, I don't use the database at the moment, so I wouldn't want to have it build accidentally 20.08.43 # ompaul: it's for browsing your music by artist/album etc, regardless of your filesystem layout 20.08.59 # ahh nice 20.09.04 # ompaul: the information is collected from id3 (and other types of?) tags in the music files 20.09.32 # very useful if you have an ipod and the music is still in that horrible itunes db format 20.09.39 # okay, so if I have the disk space it would be interesting for it to auto gen 20.09.50 # After a prompt, yes 20.10.21 # amiconn: do you think 5% step for stereo width is enough? 1% isn't really necessary, imo 20.10.47 # The database doesn't take that much disk space 20.10.52 # preglow: perhaps 20.10.54 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-106-179.pools.arcor-ip.net) 20.11.53 # is there a "plan" for features on rockbox? 20.11.59 # or is it more adhoc 20.12.02 # amiconn: old style 20.12.24 # amiconn: and btw there is no longer info->debug path 20.12.31 # info is replaced with system 20.12.36 # ? 20.13.03 # pondlife: What you're doing sounds good, but I agree with |Rincewind| that it shouldn't be 100% automatic - I also don't use the database, and don't want to accidentally start it initialising. 20.13.20 # amiconn: with the root menu patch the name changed 20.13.25 # AH, hmm, deutsch.lang still calls it Info 20.13.29 # ah 20.13.45 # so is there any drawback that I have the old style ondio FM? 20.14.48 # The new style has a significantly better fm tuner 20.15.34 # Other than that, there are no user-noticeable differences 20.15.43 # ah that's why the reception is bad on my ondio? 20.15.52 # <|Rincewind|> amiconn: In the current svn build I run I have it called "System" in Deutsch.lang 20.16.01 Join Naked [0] (i=naked@62.142.249.112) 20.16.34 # hello 20.16.41 # |Rincewind|: Okay, the build on my Ondio is 5 days old, maybe it was changed in between 20.16.54 # linuxstb_: No, I'm putting a yesno up to prompt before init 20.20.26 # XavierGr: The old style Ondio FM has the same Samsung tuner as the FM recorder, which is more sensitive to electronic interference. 20.20.57 # Archos tried to improve the situation by applying lots of brass shielding 20.21.25 # Brass, not quite as dense as lead 20.21.26 Nick Naked is now known as Hadaka (i=naked@62.142.249.112) 20.21.31 # The new style has the same philips tuner chip as the irivers, and that delivers clear reception without any special shielding 20.21.47 # ok then all that is left for my ondio to be perfected is to flash it :P 20.22.41 Quit Ribs ("eh eh ehhhh!") 20.22.43 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ArchosOndio 20.24.14 # Yours is like the right one in the 3 side-by-side pcb comparisons 20.26.20 # pondlife: I thik gdb is trying to tell me the sim craches in the synth_full function in synth.c in libmad... 20.26.41 # line 984 20.26.57 # nls: are you on amd64? 20.27.04 # amiconn: yes 20.27.09 # That's the reason then 20.27.35 # Rockbox' libmad has an optimisation that is known to break on 64 bit systems 20.28.07 # I know where it breaks and why, but fixing it will take some work 20.28.08 # amiconn: could you add what you know to FS#6691? 20.28.16 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@rockbox/administrator/Llorean) 20.28.23 # Fixing it without reverting the optimisation, tht is 20.29.08 # nls: Did you see that bug where audio output runs at half speed after MIDI has been played? 20.29.41 # pondlife: haven't tested midi placyback, was it on target or in the sim? 20.29.45 # Yay! make voice seems to work. 20.29.51 # Only does it on target. 20.29.59 # I think midi sets playback frequency to 22.050KHz... 20.30.09 # ok, will try to test later but gtg now 20.30.27 # Something should reset it to 41kHz ;) 20.30.53 # or even better, 44.1khz! 20.31.01 # DOH ! Yes :) 20.31.05 # heh 20.31.07 Join rp- [0] (n=rp@195.230.168.108) 20.31.31 Quit rp- (Client Quit) 20.31.38 # linuxstb_: yoes, what data sheet did you base the wm8758 driver on? 20.32.08 # hmm my ondio says ONdio 128 on it but not FM 20.32.11 Join rp- [0] (i=rp@193.154.222.107) 20.32.16 Join gu_ [0] (n=guster@trindade.linhalivre.net) 20.34.27 # XavierGr: Old style FMs are like that 20.34.39 # As long as it doesn't say SP it's an FM 20.35.09 # preglow: It says in the comment at the top of wm8758.c :) 20.35.26 # really now ... 20.35.42 # Right underneath the lovely ascii-art. 20.35.43 # but anyway, if the middle bands don't work, why don't you disable the entire hw eq and set them as bass/treble controls? 20.36.22 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54966977.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.36.28 # Yes, that sounds sensible. I think we were initially hoping that they could be made to work, but that time seems to have passed. 20.37.14 # well, i'd do a quick disassemble of retailos to see if it touches those regs at all 20.37.17 # if not, just forget it 20.37.34 # Although I think the current UI allows more configurablility for each band than just gain. 20.37.49 # But maybe that's only for the middle 3 (non-working) bands... 20.38.26 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 20.38.30 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp251-173.adsl.forthnet.gr) 20.38.36 # amiconn: when my ondio boot it says archos firmware version 1.31f on the page you linked on the bottom there is something about bricking it if I format it. 20.38.58 # linuxstb_: that very same configurability is just hard coded for current bass/treble controls, so i wouldn't see that as a good reason to keep it as is 20.39.02 # Yes that might happen. Just don't format it before flashing 20.39.50 # The archos firmware < v1.32 has the problem that if it can't read the filesystem, it also doesn't allow usb access to fix it 20.39.54 # linuxstb_: looks like the better codec of the wm bunch anyway 20.40.04 # at least it's capable of prescaling 20.40.06 # preglow: I never use it, so I'm relaxed about it. 20.40.11 # ...and it can only boot from FAT16, so if you format it FAT32 -> boom 20.40.18 Quit Domonoky (Remote closed the connection) 20.40.30 # argh why developers are so braindead sometimes? 20.40.30 # Is there a standard way to clear displays but leave the status bar displayed? 20.40.42 # and which is the last firmware version for ondio? 20.41.09 # 1.32 fixes that problem, but there's no point in flashing that if you're going to fully flash it with rockbox anyway 20.41.18 # indeed 20.41.41 # it boots slower than H100 with the archos firmware 20.42.47 # http://www.archos.com/support/download/firmware/ondio_fm_rec/README_ONDIO_FM_history.txt 20.43.00 # pondlife: I don't think so. But if you want to display the statusbar, shouldn't you call it frequently anyway to update? 20.43.00 # You have 1.31f, the latest is 1.32c 20.43.32 # linuxstb_: It's just that the screen looks odd without it. 20.43.34 # hi all! stupid question, but what source files are normally involved for working audio on a target? 20.43.55 Quit datachild (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.44.04 # rp-: alot 20.44.05 # i'm trying to prepare files for the sansa port... 20.44.30 # i guess wmcodec is a good start? 20.44.32 # XavierGr: AFter flashing rockbox, make sure you'll *never* RoLo archos 1.32b 20.44.55 # I like the legend text on that link amiconn: it says N.F. : New feature 20.45.06 # and there isn't one on all the firmware versions :P 20.45.14 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 20.45.16 # It's a flash update, and will overwrite the flash without warning. After that, the Ondio wouldn't boot anymore 20.45.55 # End Of Line product? ;) 20.46.20 # amiconn: I won't flash it until I find somewhere specific instructions, especially if it is brickable if I do something weird 20.46.36 # RoLo'ing other versions is okay. I have the latest on on my Ondio in case I want to show someone how the archos fw looks like 20.47.05 # RoLo'ing? you can RoLo from rockbox the original firmware? 20.47.08 # XavierGr: I could walk you through if you want. The intsructions itself didn't change, but the files to use did 20.47.13 # Yes 20.47.33 # well if you have the time I would most certainly like to 20.47.52 # That's why the rockbox boot files have those "strange" names on archos - the archos in-flash firmware looks for an on-disk update of itself 20.47.53 # just point me to the page and tell me which files I need 20.48.23 # That's how rockbox works when not flashed - it "mimics" an on-disk archos firmware update 20.49.02 # That's also where the 200KB/400KB limit comes from - the in-flash archos firmware loader won't load firmwares larger than that 20.49.25 # can't you replace the firmware loader :P 20.49.27 # Some v1 recorders and many players aren't flashable 20.49.57 # XavierGr: If you flash rockbox, the loader will of course be replaced. But in order to do that, you need rockbox running first 20.50.37 # dan_a: here? 20.50.40 # so when the ondio is flashed there is no size limit? 20.51.21 # well lower than the flash size I mean 20.51.39 # The rombox size limit is an entirely different thing 20.51.51 # linuxstb_: at least the code looks to be according to the datasheet 20.51.54 # ah so you meant the firmware file size limit 20.53.12 # With flashed rockbox, there are 3 parts in the flash: The (tiny) flash loader, bootbox (which is compressed to save space and will be decompressed into ram when selected), and main rockbox, which can either be compressed (then it's decompressed into ram at boot) or uncompressed and then runs directly from rom - rombox 20.53.54 # The flash is 256KB in total, flash loader + bootbox take away 28KB of that (on all archoses except the player) 20.54.02 # So the rombox limit is 228KB 20.55.08 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.55.11 # so you use rombox mainly to have more audio buffer? 20.55.14 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B9612D.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.55.51 Quit bonbonthejon (Remote closed the connection) 20.56.07 # yes 20.57.20 # Audio buffer size isn't important for battery runtime on Ondio (no spinups), but there are other reasons why more buffer is better 20.57.49 # for example working voice... 20.58.55 # There's a minimum buffer length for working voice? 20.59.15 # Size of english.voice? 20.59.26 # seems tagcache is a veritable bottomless well of size gains for rockbox :P 20.59.30 # Llorean: Sure, the voice file needs to fit in the buffer... 20.59.45 # preglow: Sure is :) 20.59.57 # pondlife: which one are you referring too? 21.00.02 # amiconn: so to flash it ,I just need a bin file and run it with the flash plugin? 21.00.07 # Wait a minute... 21.00.27 # ...and some more HAVE_TAGCACHE red will appeaer 21.01.03 # XavierGr: Yes. And you should dump your rom contents before, in case you want to restore it to factory state later 21.01.04 # (Hopefully not too much, and not in the main build table.) 21.01.50 # amiconn: I don't want to do that later, and I am sure that if something comes up another rom file could do the job right (from another ondio) 21.02.07 # Only if it's the correct hw mask 21.02.43 # XavierGr: The instructions in http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FlashingRockbox are correct, just the actual files are not. These should be taken from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BootBox 21.02.44 # amiconn: Ah, that makes sense. For some reason I'd assumed it could be used in parts. 21.02.57 # All the jabber about testing bootbox can be ignored, it is tested 21.03.32 # so I just download the bootbox ondiofm.zip 21.03.34 # I see 21.03.53 # well I will back up the rom just in case 21.03.55 # XavierGr: I.e.: Get http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/BootBox?rev=1.1;filename=bootbox_ondiofm.zip , put the 2 .bin files on your Ondio 21.04.07 # but I don't think there is a chance to revert back, not in a million years 21.04.37 # except if archos updates the firmware to make coffee or something like that 21.04.51 # ...make sure your batteries are in good shape, boot into rockbox, go to System->Debug->Dump ROM contents 21.05.37 # yeah I know that part with the flashing procedure on H100 21.05.41 # ...go to the plugin browser, run firmware_flash.rock, follow the instructions, *don't reboot* afterwards, but browse to /.rockbox and "run" rockbox.ucl, 21.05.48 # I still have the file to revert the H100 to OF 21.06.03 # but that won't happen again, I am pretty sure 21.06.06 # i like the fact that i find "OpenGL ES 2.0" listen in the 5g firmware file... 21.06.15 # (which will in fact run rockbox_flash) and again follow the instructions 21.06.22 Join linuxstb [0] (i=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 21.06.35 Quit kubiix (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.07.07 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 21.07.44 # amiconn: If I reboot without updating the flash with the build it will be bricked? 21.08.16 # haha 21.08.27 # keep this up and even langv2 and new bootbox can't save us 21.08.37 # Revert? 21.08.45 # Sorry 21.08.46 # No it won't. 21.08.47 # nah, it's a nice enough feature 21.08.51 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.09.12 # What happens exactly depends on whether the flash image contains a main rockbox image or not; don't remember if it does 21.09.21 # Maybe we could remove the tagcache debug screen? That's less useful now (for users). 21.09.33 # Make it a debug-build only option. 21.09.40 # pondlife: well, as long as functionality is covered 21.09.49 # If it does, you would boot this (probably horribly outdated) rockbox, if not, bootbox would kick in and load your ajbrec.ajz from disk 21.09.56 # preglow: Have a play and see wha you reckon. 21.10.13 # i don't really use the database 21.10.18 # but perhaps that's an even better reason to try 21.10.23 # i can play the noob now, heh 21.10.28 # Indeed. Database For Dummies 21.10.44 Quit Rondom (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.10.45 # Or maybe you can look at my code and size-optimise it? 21.11.01 # nah 21.11.07 # got more than enough else to code on, i'm afraid 21.11.07 # ok step one done, rom contents are saved 21.11.12 # :) 21.11.15 # now bin file is on root 21.11.19 # JDgordon's warning? 21.11.23 # I will change the batteries and then flash 21.12.16 # pondlife: interesting, will try out that now :) 21.12.35 # rp-: Here now! 21.12.43 # pondlife: i was also planning to do something like that but you were faster ;) 21.12.44 # You can probably improve it. Look at the new routine in tagcache.h too... 21.13.07 # XavierGr: Further updates of rockbox will just consist of first roloing the new build (rockbox in flash does *not* check for an on-disk update), then "playing" rockbox.ucl (or rombox.ucl if that will become available again) 21.13.08 # There's a hard-coded 8 that should probably be calculated, but I've no idea how 21.13.22 # i.e Committing 1/8.. 21.13.50 # pondlife: that is the number of string tags + 1 21.14.13 # hmm I did something wrong, the plugin reported no image found when I opened the bin with it 21.14.17 Quit ender` (" Good programmers treat Microsoft products as damage and route around them.") 21.14.36 # Roloing isn't strictly required when not running rombox, but it serves 2 purposes which might hit you otherwise. (1) It's a simple check whether the new build works. (2) The plugin api might have changed, and (new) rockbox_flash.rock might refuse to run with the (old) core 21.14.51 # pondlife: the number of entries in sorted_tags[] 21.14.52 # XavierGr: firmware_flash is not a viewer 21.14.54 # +1 21.15.09 # YOu just run it and it should find the bin it needs in the root 21.15.19 # OK, can you update that.. .I need to eat 21.15.23 # If not, you copied the wrong bins 21.15.27 # ok 21.15.35 # ...or renamed them, which you should never do 21.15.38 # on iriver h100 it is a viewer 21.15.42 Quit pondlife ("disconnected has pondlife") 21.15.57 # rockbox_flash.rock *is* a viewer, firmware_flash.rock is not 21.16.09 # yeah different plugins 21.16.16 # but the habbit remained 21.16.28 # This is on purpose, the plugin needs to decide which of the 2 .bin files is needed 21.16.53 # There are archoses with and without boot rom, and both need different init code 21.16.56 # ok programming 21.17.19 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc3-rdng11-0-0-cust229.winn.cable.ntl.com) 21.17.27 Quit kubiix (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.17.34 # ok flashed the bin, flashed the ucl 21.17.37 # Slasheri: There's a bug in there... 21.17.38 # do I restart now? 21.18.01 # Yes you can restart now 21.18.08 # My test for database not initialised is triggered if you go into the option too soon... 21.18.25 # Should boot in ~4 seconds 21.18.30 # hmm 21.18.39 # nice and clean 21.18.43 # works like a charm 21.18.43 # with iCatcher it'll take noticably longer... 21.18.50 # I think I should defer the prompt if tagcache_is_initialised is false, right? 21.19.08 # Slasheri: anything new on the clickwheel stuff? 21.19.11 # amiconn thanks for your time, now my ondio is now complete 21.19.58 # 5-6 seconds boot 21.20.10 # pondlife: don't use that at all 21.20.14 # you should just check if db is ready 21.20.16 # but there is no annoying archoslogo screen 21.20.28 # it's always initialized if the thread has been started 21.21.07 # Slasheri: I need to detect 3 states.... (1) Not ready because thread not done enough work (2) Known not to be initialised and (3) Ready for use 21.21.24 # i.e. initialized is yes/no/don't know 21.21.26 # XavierGr: Boot time depends on what features you're using. E.g. a wps with multiple bitmaps will be clearly noticeable 21.21.28 # preglow: not really, but the gui stuff should be almost commit ready (a few refresh bugs still needs fixing) 21.21.49 # amiconn: yes I know, well if you want icatching result you will have to wait in the end 21.21.50 # Slasheri: Does that include CPU boosting when using the UI? 21.21.52 # pondlife: hmmm 21.21.53 Join tucoz [0] (i=5430aebd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-53149747ff760407) 21.21.55 # hi 21.21.59 # linuxstb_: sure 21.22.04 # not so noticable in everyday usage though 21.22.18 # linuxstb_: but not the clickwheel acceleration itself 21.22.19 # of course a timed benchmark is a different story 21.22.28 # Slasheri: did you get my message? The change i made to apps/main.c still makes it beep on boot 21.22.35 # Slasheri: That's fine. I think the acceleration is going to prove hard to please everyone with.... 21.22.39 # it is really a shame that only archos supports rvf for now 21.22.51 # it plays really well even on the tiny screen of the ondio 21.22.53 # tucoz: ah, yes. that's weird 21.23.06 # tucoz: so where did you insert the audiohw_init() call? 21.23.14 # I have only flashed by running iriver_flash though. You can flash in the bootloader as well right? 21.23.39 # In init, right before lcd_init 21.24.08 # so you put it between these two: 21.24.10 # | set_irq_level(0); 21.24.10 # | lcd_init(); 21.24.19 # hmm, let me check 21.24.30 # if not, then it's the wrong init function used for simulators only 21.24.36 # and that shouldn't work :) 21.24.37 # hehe 21.24.43 # could be 21.24.54 # try put it right after kernel_init() 21.25.10 # ah, right 21.25.19 # i missed the #ifdef simulator :D 21.25.23 # hehe :D 21.25.24 Join decayedcell__ [0] (n=decayed_@59.167.157.71) 21.25.29 # you are not the first ;) 21.25.47 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 21.25.53 # Ok, then i can try again 21.26.03 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@84-255-206-8.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) 21.26.46 # I´ll let you know what happens. Thanks for the help so far 21.27.07 # great 21.27.26 Part tucoz 21.27.41 # Back later... got to eat, really 21.27.41 Quit Juice^ (Connection timed out) 21.31.40 # surprisingly enough, it seems retailos and bootloaders use the same i2c routines 21.33.42 # damn, missed tucoz 21.34.03 Join zomglol [0] (i=54bd7102@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-89f2740bcf0957e7) 21.34.31 Quit zomglol (Client Quit) 21.35.25 Quit decayedcell__ (Remote closed the connection) 21.38.29 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.38.50 Join decayedcell__ [0] (n=decayed_@59.167.157.71) 21.38.52 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B95628.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.42.06 Part decayedcell__ 21.44.48 Join datachild [0] (n=datachil@217-208-144-87-no75.tbcn.telia.com) 21.49.14 Join ques [0] (i=ques@SE400.PPPoE-7764.sa.bih.net.ba) 21.49.28 Part toffe82 21.50.55 Part ques 21.53.21 # linuxstb: unless i'm very wrong, reatilos seems to write to wmcodec addresses that are far higher than any in the datasheet 21.53.30 # linuxstb: in addition to lots that are listed 21.54.30 # For example? (which registers?) 21.54.54 # i've seen stuff as high as 0x70 21.55.31 # i've found about fourty calls to wmcodec_write in retailos thus far 21.55.34 Quit Farp (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.55.38 # among them are the entire init sequence, i think 21.55.42 Join Farp [0] (i=Farp@60.49.98.250) 21.55.47 # are/is/asl 21.58.13 Join entheh [0] (n=purr@88-106-252-227.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 21.58.27 # What are you looking for, the EQ? 21.59.05 # yeah 21.59.13 # could see any of the eq regs touched 21.59.19 # couldN'T 21.59.34 # but the high addresses i saw from time to time makes it seem something is a bit wrong 21.59.51 # I would be surprised if retailos use it - afaik, it doesn't have any different options to the earlier ipods, so the EQ is most likely just exactly the same sw one. 22.00.40 # The datasheet was just a pure guess - we (aegray and I) just tried random ones until we got sound... 22.00.46 # yeah, remember 22.02.06 # what else is on the i2c bus than the pcf and the wm? 22.02.14 # i think i saw something with address 0x2a 22.05.53 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6069 <- is that a test for 'new wannabe devs' to see if they can fix that? 22.05.58 # :P 22.07.05 # preglow: Isn't the clickwheel accessed via i2c? 22.07.21 # linuxstb: ahh, yes, that's probably it 22.08.06 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/2007021917]") 22.08.11 Join ackbahr [0] (n=ackbahr@d83-181-114-93.cust.tele2.ch) 22.10.01 Join PhilippeBoineau [0] (i=527be18d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2d93fbafb8ef3e54) 22.12.35 # haha, wtf, there's a function for 1 << x :P 22.14.49 Quit aleska ("Ex-Chat") 22.16.50 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@i-83-67-214-206.freedom2surf.net) 22.17.46 Quit ackbahr (Remote closed the connection) 22.19.31 # Hello, my name is Philippe Boineau, I live in France (Paris). I've got an iPod 3G and I use RocBox on it since the 2006 year. As I understand that some help is needed in order to help RocBox to fly on iPod 3G, I would like to be able to contribute to the RockBox Twiki. 22.20.17 Part gu_ 22.20.57 # PhilippeBoineau: have you already registered on wiki ? 22.21.15 # Yes I have 22.21.23 # what user name ? 22.21.32 # PhilippeBoineau 22.23.11 # done 22.23.11 # My username is PhilippeBoineau (as requested) : see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PhilippeBoineau 22.23.33 # Thank you very much desowin 22.23.50 # you're welcome 22.24.59 # linuxstb: setting one channel inverted and the other non-inverted doesn't exactly seem very intuitive, so either i've got the wrong stuff here, or the datasheet isn't as nice a match as i'd hoped 22.25.09 # Please could you tell me how I can check that I'm able to contribute to the wiki ? 22.25.35 # Click on "edit" on any page (and then click on "cancel") 22.26.24 # PhilippeBoineau: go to page you want add info, and click on edit on the bottom 22.26.52 # Thaks. It seems to be ok. See you later. 22.28.35 # no, this doesn't make sense at all 22.28.48 # dumb question of the evening : how does rockbox know which codec to use to decode a file with ? 22.29.09 # file extension 22.29.22 # speex should be .spx? 22.29.29 # The file extension is just the first check. 22.29.44 Quit PhilippeBoineau ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.29.45 # Can't it catch speex in .ogg now? 22.29.48 # the further checks are up to the metadata reading and then the codec itself, no? 22.30.07 # The get_metadata() function parses the file (based on the extension, which is used to identify the container) and works out the codec. 22.30.16 # Llorean: I've just tried speex for the first time, and speexenc seems to indicate .spx as the default extension 22.30.28 # GodEater: That is the default, yes. 22.30.31 # And yes, I think speex in .ogg is supported in Rockbox. 22.30.44 # however I'm getting nothing but silence back on rockbox :( 22.30.55 Join ackbahr [0] (n=ackbahr@d83-181-114-93.cust.tele2.ch) 22.31.12 # preglow: What isn't making sense? You think we've got a wildly wrong datasheet? 22.31.50 # GodEater: With a build from two days ago, my speex files still play. 22.31.54 # I can't update right now though. 22.31.55 # GodEater: Is the progress bar moving in the WPS? 22.32.07 # yep 22.32.10 # linuxstb: i think i've misunderstood something and gotten something wrong in my disassembly here 22.32.16 # and time expired is counting up too 22.32.22 # even though i don't see what, it seems pretty straight forward 22.32.45 # linuxstb: i fell over some mmapping in retailos here, you wouldn't happen to know the layout of the mmap regs? 22.33.14 # linuxstb: three out of four mmap reg pairs are set up 22.33.15 # they definitely decode okay as well - I've checked them 22.33.19 # You know that the register is in the high 7 bits of the first byte? 22.33.26 # i.e. it's shifted. 22.34.13 # preglow: Yes, I've looked at the mmap register init in retailos, and don't understand it... 22.35.12 # linuxstb: that's done internally in the i2c_write i got, so it shouldn't matter 22.36.02 # i found three uses of i2c, one writing to address 8, pcf, one writing to address 1a, wm codec, and one writing to 0x2a, probably clickwheel 22.36.35 # All the PP targets seem to setup the mmap registers the same way, apart from the ipods, which seem to be doing something with the flash. Here are my notes - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/pp-mmap.txt 22.36.42 # and the function calling i2c_write with address 0x2a just takes an array to two bytes as argument, almost certainly register address and data, so i don't see how i could have gotten it wrong 22.37.05 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 22.37.33 # Slasheri: Just committed a mod to check if the tagcache is initialised or not. That's probably not good enought though, can you have a look please? 22.39.10 # Llorean: which version of speex did you use to do your encoding ? 22.39.10 # ah, hmm, one weird thing about the wmcodec_write i think i found is that it only writes bytes, whereas the wm often has more than one byte of data in a register 22.39.37 # The data is 9-bits IIRC - the second byte and the low bit of the first byte. 22.39.46 # GodEater: It was just the official encoder compiled whenever I decided to test it. 22.39.57 # GodEater: So, like, whatever day speex entered SVN. 22.40.18 # GodEater: Lemme go check version 22.40.33 # linuxstb: things are starting to fall in place now 22.40.36 # 1.1.12 here 22.40.36 # linuxstb: i didn't know that 22.40.45 # that would explain the high addresses 22.41.15 # linuxstb: btw, how do you know 5g does something with the flash? 22.41.25 # GodEater: Mine's an old one apparently, 1.0.4 22.41.37 # GodEater: I just went and found a precompiled binary, I thought it was up to date, but apparently it's VERY old 22.41.46 # crap 22.41.50 # maybe mine's too new 22.42.04 # the audio thread claims it's doing stuff 22.42.10 # but it's not making any noise :( 22.42.12 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 22.42.50 # 1.0.x isn't even available for my distro 22.42.57 # it starts at 1.1.5 22.43.38 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.43.54 # preglow: Did you see that pp-mmap.txt file I just posted a link to? 22.44.18 # GodEater: Encoding with a 1.1.12 now. 22.44.40 # GodEater: It's a very long file so it'll be like, 45 minutes though. I want to see if the other problems I'm having happen with a new speex encoder. 22.45.05 # would you care to try one of mine 22.45.11 # not one of them is larger than 2MB 22.45.16 # and most are much smaller 22.45.41 # linuxstb: yes 22.45.46 # preglow: MMAP1 is being used on the video to do the same remapping Rockbox does (0x10000000 -> 0x0). Based on that, I'm guessing MMAP2 is mapping flash (0x0) to 0x20000000. MMAP0 seems to be doing something else with the flash - some kind of map from 0 to 0... 22.46.04 Quit pondlife ("disconnected has pondlife") 22.46.22 # and here's me hoping for some kind of iram magic :/ 22.46.58 # GodEater: I'd rather try my own encode. It's not like I'm useful for fixing the problem if there is one, but if it doesn't work at all that'll also show it's an encoder version issue. Since our speex codec is supposed to be up to date with SVN speex, it shouldn't be speex-in-Rockbox being old. 22.46.58 # damn, i could have SWORN i had some descriptions of those registers somewhere 22.47.14 Quit ackbahr (Remote closed the connection) 22.47.26 # I just checked, the version in RB is 1.1.14-svn 22.47.33 # so it should decode my stuff :( 22.47.37 # :( 22.47.45 # What sample rate is your file? 22.47.56 # well it was ripped straight from CD 22.48.05 # so 44.1KHz I guess 22.48.07 # So, 44.1khz? 22.48.14 # Speex isn't really intended about 32khz. 22.48.19 # "UWB" 22.48.23 # above 22.48.35 # it clearly worked though 22.48.40 # So, try downsampling to 8, 16, or 32 and see if that works. 22.48.42 # I can decode the files again successfully 22.48.59 # Yeah, but it might give us some clues. ;) 22.49.19 # should I do the resample directly with cdparanoia ? 22.49.23 # or some post processing tool ? 22.49.50 # I just used foobar's DSP to convert the .wav to 16khz mono before encoding, back with the one that had worked for me. 22.49.59 # ah hang on 22.50.00 # sox would do the job. 22.50.05 # I seem to recall someone having this problem 22.50.14 # it was because the spx file was stereo 22.50.15 # Stereo should work now though, at least. 22.50.18 # oh 22.50.23 # _Should_ 22.50.24 # bang goes that idea 22.50.25 # :) 22.50.27 # I haven't tested. 22.50.36 # Plus, the stereo file played, it just sounded REALLY weird. 22.50.44 # hmmm 22.50.48 # I'm without foobar 22.50.48 # If I recall it was just playing at the wrong sample rate. 22.50.54 # so I'll have to find something to do the job 22.51.05 Quit amiconn (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 22.51.06 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.54.08 Quit barrywardell_ (Remote closed the connection) 22.54.11 # if anyone has any tips on such a toy for linux - please shout! 22.54.33 # * linuxstb_ mentions sox again 22.55.00 # linuxstb: You say on the IpodFlash page that the Nano flash has 1MB of data in a 512k chip - is the second 512k exactly the same as the first, by any chance? 22.55.32 # linuxstb_: sorry - missed that the first time 22.55.54 # dan_a: I'm almost certain it isn't, but let me double-check... 22.56.52 # linuxstb_: That's what happens on the YH-820, which also has 512k flash. PortalPlayer's wonderful aliasing in action 22.57.01 # dan_a: while you're here - a quick git question - do you use git-svn yourself ? 22.57.14 # dan_a: Good call... 22.57.22 # GodEater: At the moment I do, but I'm not 100% happy with it 22.57.36 # dan_a: Yes, the first 512KB are identical to the second 512KB... 22.57.45 # dan_a: nor me - I couldn't get it to only grab the rockbox branch - it insisted on grabbing everything 22.57.53 # But the other ipods are claimed to have 1MB of flash. 22.58.38 # I wouldn't expect them to have the same data in the second half 22.59.20 # GodEater: It did that for me too, but that's not really a major issue as long as you have the disk space 22.59.44 # dan_a: Did you see my notes about the mmap registers? Do you have similar info for other PP devices? 23.00.24 # linuxstb_: I don't have it to hand, but I can have a look 23.01.49 # No rush. 23.02.53 # Llorean: resampled down to 16Khz 23.02.56 # still no sound output 23.03.00 # trying to go to mono now 23.03.24 # * Llorean is still encoding, heh. 23.03.36 # linuxstb_: I've been trying to get Rolo working properly again for the past few days. Even if I make the main CPU wait until the COP has been put to sleep by the new firmware, I still can't get it to boot properly 23.04.19 # Any ideas? 23.04.44 Join muesli- [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.230.92) 23.04.45 # Only what's been discussed before - that it may be expecting certain values in registers and/or iram. 23.05.26 # No, because even Rockbox doesn't load properly (the second core is not active) 23.05.45 Quit rp- ("leaving") 23.06.01 # Ah, that. I get confused about the current status of rolo - it's constantly changing.... 23.06.18 # Llorean: yep - works fine as mono 23.06.31 # I still don't even understand why the dual core work broke it 23.06.53 # GodEater: That's unfortunate. 23.07.02 # I thought it was supposed to be fixed. 23.07.20 # dan_a: Are interrupts disabled on both CPUs? 23.07.22 # Llorean: Rolo or Speex? 23.07.45 # linuxstb_: Does set_irq_level(HIGHEST_IRQ_LEVEL) do that? 23.07.48 # dan_a: Speex stereo. 23.08.26 # Llorean: also, sample rate doesn't matter 23.08.34 # I just reused the original 44.1Khz wav 23.08.41 # knobbled it down to mono 23.08.44 # and that plays fine too 23.08.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.09.05 # bugger 23.09.45 # dan_a: See the definition in firmware/export/system.h - I think that only applies to the current CPU. 23.10.12 # * linuxstb_ isn't sure and looks towards preglow 23.10.44 # too late to recode them all now 23.10.48 # I'll do them tomorrow 23.10.50 # *yawn* 23.10.52 # night all! 23.11.14 # linuxstb_: I don't think so - each core will have its own CPSR (I think!) 23.11.22 # Good night, GodEater 23.11.41 # So is set_irq_level() being called on both CPUs? 23.11.46 Join ]MrFWorK[ [0] (n=1@216.143.34.189) 23.11.51 Part ]MrFWorK[ 23.12.25 # linuxstb_: Not in SVN, but in my test code it is 23.13.00 # (I'd also love to understand why the codec thread doesn't now run twice as fast as it used to) 23.13.58 # does anybody know how much audio buffer is available on an FM-Recorder (with an SVN build)? I want to know how large a voice file can be in order to work... maybe someone with an FM-Recorder could check (scorche?) 23.15.01 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.15.10 # dan_a: lots of mysteries left with dual core support for sure 23.15.34 Join rotator [0] (n=e@rockbox/developer/rotator) 23.16.04 # preglow: Hopefully they'll annoy the people who know how to fix them enough so they get fixed, now it's in SVN ;) 23.18.20 Join web-taz [0] (n=taz@p5081A0E4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 23.20.46 # eh LinusN 23.20.52 # will rockbox boot if it can't mount fat32? 23.21.20 # no 23.21.29 # so I just mounted fat32 on my 80GB :) 23.21.35 # it can't find the .rockbox directory, though 23.21.39 Part perl|work 23.21.42 # dan_a: you're hoping to have pp employees aboard any time soon? ;) 23.21.51 # DataGhost: what have you changed? 23.22.01 # eh. same code I changed in the linux kernel 23.22.06 # 'superblock' reading 23.22.16 # 2 sectors instead of 1.... really simple actually 23.22.21 # but it has to happen everywhere 23.22.27 # preglow: hahaha - I can hope! 23.22.36 # too bad rockbox doesn't use multiple reads like linux does 23.22.45 # yes, the reading of the BPB is only one of a dozen things 23.22.47 # man, that would rock. i'm starting to get really bloody tired of all this guesswork 23.22.47 # in linux it was only the reading of the superblock, that's all sorted now 23.22.58 # but it does indeed require some more work in rb 23.23.00 # :) 23.23.19 # I couldn't get the debugging build to work by the way 23.23.26 # so I have written a basic debugging function myself now 23.23.34 # the linux driver is a lot easier to work with, since it's not optimized for low mem usage 23.23.47 # yeah:) 23.23.49 Quit ender` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.23.59 # and the hardest part isn't even the code 23.24.28 # I write my code on this pc, I save it over samba to my server, then I scp the changed files to my laptop, build it there, scp rockbox.ipod back to my server and then I load that on my iPod 23.24.52 # because I don't want to screw up my arm toolchain with yet another version 23.25.15 # DataGhost: i don't get it 23.25.28 # never mind :P 23.25.32 # :-) 23.25.39 # You can just install another arm toolchain with a different --prefix, and modify your path. 23.25.49 # Or just use the VMWare image for complete separation. 23.26.00 # yeah I know but crosstool is easier and I'm lazy 23.26.16 # and I can't easily change the prefix in there 23.26.20 # Easier than running the rockboxdev.sh script? 23.26.27 # then it can't be easier :) 23.26.29 # (edit the prefix at the top) 23.26.30 # crossdev even 23.26.46 # oh yeah I actually ignored that script 23.26.50 # I should have looked into it :D 23.26.57 # hahahah 23.27.08 # DataGhost: Crossdev is easy to have two tools - you just run gcc-profile to choose between them! 23.27.23 # yeah but the other 2 I have weren't installed with crossdev 23.27.25 # LinusN: do you have an FM-Recorder? I want to ask the guy who's made the new files if he could also provide a smaller one which could work on the other Archos targets as well... I'd like to give him a number of the maximum size 23.27.28 # I'm already using a PATH= for the kernel 23.27.51 # pixelma: i have an fm rec 23.28.01 # s/gcc-profile/gcc-config/ 23.28.02 # DataGhost: Has work been abandoned on getting 2.6 working on the ipod? 23.28.10 # dunno 23.28.18 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 23.28.19 # I only heard that it existed, never cared much about it 23.28.27 # LinusN: could you test with an SVN version how much buffer is available atm? 23.29.22 # ehm... should have mentioned voice files before ;) 23.29.34 # pixelma: hang on 23.29.37 # DataGhost: I noticed some CVS changes to the kernel - does that mean IPL fully supports the 80GB now? i.e. as well as the other 5gs? 23.29.43 # yes 23.29.52 # i submitted my patches :) 23.29.55 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.143.17) 23.30.40 # that's why I'm looking into rockbox now 23.30.41 # :P 23.30.43 # The first IPL kernel commits since last August... 23.30.47 # hehe 23.31.17 # funny thing is, after that crappy kernel I first 'released' everyone started using it on the 30GB winpod, which was then the only one that would fully work with that specific release 23.31.39 # after some time and peer-review we decided to take out some 'redundant' code, actually breaking 30GB support, heh. 23.32.03 # pixelma: with which engine are these voice files generated? 23.32.26 # XavierGr: it's in the mail archive 23.32.46 # I'd love to get this bug where if you boot up an iPod with the USB connected it hangs at the USB screen fixed. Can give me a quick overview of what happens when the USB is plugged in? 23.32.46 # is it a commercial one? 23.33.21 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 23.33.25 # dan_a: It also freezes for me if I plug it in soon after startup, if the disk is still spinning (probably the dircache thread). 23.33.32 # don't know - but there are now up in the wiki 23.33.38 # because I have some nice Loquendo voice files that I could share, but iirc they are commercial and thus can't distribute them 23.33.44 # let me check then 23.33.57 # proof: http://de.dataghost.com/rb/IMG_7888.JPG http://de.dataghost.com/rb/IMG_7889.JPG http://de.dataghost.com/rb/IMG_7890.JPG 23.34.10 # did you get to that already LinusN? or didn't you spend that much time on this issue? 23.35.58 # as a test, i patched the fat/ata driver to be able to mount the file system 23.35.58 # DataGhost: I guess you're loading Rockbox with the IPL bootloader? 23.36.11 Quit web-taz ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 23.36.15 # a long time ago 23.36.26 # yes linuxstb 23.36.32 # why? 23.36.46 # oh wait. the rb loader needs fixing too, right? 23.36.57 # Because it's displaying the hw info correctly. I never bothered implementing that on the 5gs, as it's not used anywhere... 23.37.00 # ah ok LinusN... too bad :P 23.37.10 # hw revision 23.37.13 # hw info is set by the bootloader? :o 23.37.32 # Yes, but that could be changed now. It's read from a location in flash IIRC. 23.37.34 # I know that it reads it but this is new to me :) 23.38.01 # And normally flash is hidden "underneath" sdram. But we've recently made it available at a different address in Rockbox. 23.38.37 # linuxstb_: i don't use dircache on my nano and it still hangs like a madman 23.38.46 # The only place it's actually used in Rockbox is in the Color/Photo LCD driver, to distinguish between the two LCD revisions. 23.39.03 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 23.39.40 # preglow: All I've noticed is that it reliably freezes if I connect whilst the disk is still active after boot. If I wait until the disk stops, and then connect, it reliably works... 23.40.35 # I'm guessing that something is waiting on the disk before it acks the USB insert, and that the USB insert disables the disk 23.41.03 # logf to the rescue, I hope! 23.41.38 # What about the ata callback? Would Rockbox be attempting to write the settings? 23.41.57 # oy...the gigabeat is gonna make optimizing difficult in general for arm... need to think of something 23.42.09 Join surrealisticpill [0] (n=surreali@63.245.41.136) 23.42.20 # Oh, it's one of those annoying bugs. A logf build fixes it 23.42.37 # The ATA callback sounds like a good suspect, though 23.42.54 Part surrealisticpill 23.43.07 # jhMikeS: you can try to clock it down to 17MHz :) 23.43.26 # hehe...says it's already running that :D 23.43.26 # Great idea - get libmad working then... 23.43.48 # jhMikeS: You have a gigabeat? 23.43.59 # linuxstb_: yes...just came in 23.44.00 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.44.02 # jhMikeS: there is a 'slow mode' which does that 23.44.09 # jhMikeS: congrats! 23.44.14 # :) 23.44.20 # Which model? 23.44.26 # nice player with a really great display 23.44.27 # F40 23.44.48 # * linuxstb_ can only see F10s and F20s on ebay at the moment (available to the UK) 23.44.49 # I wonder how much more F40's there are out there 23.45.08 # linuxstb_: toffe bought another 2 broken F40s :) 23.45.49 # pixelma: Buffer: 1.292MB 23.46.06 # I got it from toffe and it works like a charm. Didn't have time myself to assemble a good one from broken ones. 23.46.16 # LinusN: thank you! 23.46.33 # jhMikeS: Treat yourself to a 3G iPod! 23.46.49 # and pwn random boxen with firewire:D 23.46.59 Quit funky ("leaving") 23.47.06 # For the ultimate challenge with a broken cache implementation? :) 23.47.32 # I don' know I should receive one fridy but it is for XavierGr and I think I will recieve the 2 others next week 23.47.48 # sorry wrong windows 23.48.06 # LinusN: just replaced hdd and battery on my h340 and now the backlight of my lcd no longer comes on. lcd works. any idea? 23.49.13 # The F40 does chow down on the SPC playback without even flinching :) 23.49.18 Part Llorean 23.49.59 # petur: hmmm, hard to tell 23.50.43 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 23.51.12 # petur: have you tried to run the OF? 23.52.37 # not yet 23.52.40 # do so 23.53.17 # i had a similar issue when i started the h300 port ages ago, and running the OF fixed it 23.53.34 # dan_a: You've got an inexpensive one? Like I said I'll take a working one that someone wants to unload. 23.53.44 # hmmmm are we missing some init code then? 23.54.11 # hm. so after it's read the partitiontable (and presumably mounted the fat partition) it'll only read 1 sector from sector -1 LinusN :o 23.54.15 # constantly 23.54.20 # i thought i fixed it, but let's hope i didn't :-) 23.54.30 # ? 23.54.46 # petur: because then running the OF will help you in this case :-) 23.55.08 # jhMikeS: I want to keep mine, but I plan to get some dead ones off ebay and do some voodoo on them 23.55.15 # DataGhost: it reads single sectors from all over the place 23.55.25 # nope 23.55.29 # at least not through ata_read_sectors 23.55.33 Quit juxtap (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.55.37 # hold on 23.56.04 # dan_a: keep me posted 23.56.06 # LinusN: BINGO! 23.56.10 # :-) 23.56.19 # phew 23.56.38 # so we still have that backlight init bug... :-( 23.57.03 # I'm not running a recent bootloader, only the latest from the wiki 23.57.12 # any of this ata stuff relevant to recording sticking while building the database? I'm not following too well here. 23.57.19 # (version 5) 23.57.31 # that bug is much older than bootloader 5 23.57.36 # oh 23.57.39 # it's been there forever 23.57.51 # well it's not fixed... and it is only the backlight 23.57.58 # http://de.dataghost.com/rb/IMG_7891.JPG LinusN 23.58.02 # better look into it then 23.58.15 # and from there on I haven't seen another read but 1 -1 23.59.00 # jhMikeS: I'll keep you posted, and I don't think the ATA stuff I'm looking at will affect recording, but I can't be sure