--- Log for 14.03.107 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 12 days and 18 hours ago 00.00.29 # but DAC_L also has DAC_Mute_off 00.01.24 # so the L and R are the left and right channels? 00.01.52 # it isn't very clearly expressed, but I would think so 00.02.09 # i'm finding that the sound output currently in rockbox is a lot lower than the sandisk firmware, thats why i'm trying to hack it to go a bit higher 00.02.17 Quit desowin ("use linux") 00.02.22 # what would be the value of L for just unmuting it? 00.02.44 # the value is 5 bits, and the Mute_off is bit 6 00.03.17 # im kinda new to this but that would mean I would have to convert the hex to binary and back? 00.04.31 # it means 3f is maximum 00.04.32 Join Dark_Apostrophe [0] (n=darkapos@supporter/monthlybyte/DarkApostrophe) 00.04.38 # uh 00.04.44 # I mean 1f 00.04.49 # Does Rockbox run on Creative players? 00.05.31 # nobody with a creative player has ported Rockbox to their player yet. 00.05.37 # Bagder: would you happen to know where the mixer volumes are set? 00.05.44 # Soap2: :( 00.06.15 # hmm...I wonder if it would be possible to run the linux kernel on the sansa ;) 00.06.36 # Dark_Apostrophe: There is currently a group of us working to get Rockbox on the Zen Vision M 00.07.18 # Bagder: sorry, your patched file didn’t work :) 00.07.20 # Bagder: hows it going 00.07.29 # oh no 00.07.35 # i was getting all excited 00.07.53 # merwin: then e200tool recover into a vanilla e200 BL file and try from there 00.08.01 # is there a function that can check if a plugin can be run? 00.08.21 # jhulst_: I've got a Zen Touch 00.08.21 # jhulst_: I've got a Zen Touch 00.08.26 # Bagder: ok... 00.08.41 # jhulst_: Would it be backwards compatible? 00.08.54 # andrew867: I haven't really been involved in the audio work on the sansa so I'm not the best man to discuss this with 00.09.11 # Dark_Apostrophe: From the ZVM? No 00.10.00 # Bagder: DAC_R would only be a 5 bit value right? 00.10.02 # Damn. 00.10.11 # andrew867: correct 00.10.15 # jhulst_: When do you expect to get it running? 00.10.32 # Bagder: Then, what firmware should i put on it? 00.10.33 # jhulst_: I might consider buying a vision m. 00.10.47 # Dark_Apostrophe:We are just getting going, it's probably going to be a while 00.11.14 # merwin: a vanilla e200 one 00.11.17 # k 00.11.26 # Ok. What players do you recommend? I don't want iPods cause they're fragile and buying them supports DRM. 00.11.30 # If you are interested and have experience, we are always looking for help 00.11.39 # i wish the recovery mode (REC) boot would notify you which version it was :) 00.11.44 # And iRivers are difficult to get a hold of. 00.11.58 # Dark_Apostrophe: iaudio x5 00.12.02 # jhulst_: Nah, I'm no coder, sorry. 00.12.06 Quit bluebrother ("sleep...") 00.12.13 # merwin: patch the BL image to say that instead of "welcome to recovery mode" ;-) 00.12.28 # there’s no checksum? 00.12.29 Join merlin2049er [0] (n=Joe@bas8-toronto12-1088940903.dsl.bell.ca) 00.12.37 # merwin: no 00.12.48 # cool 00.13.08 # Bagder: load main image failed 00.13.22 # They're expensive.. .:/ 00.13.32 # LinusN: ^ 00.13.38 # merwin: what exactly did you do? 00.13.43 # Got any slightly cheaper ones? 00.14.00 # you guys wanna let me know whats going on so i can try to get this going too? 00.14.02 # :] 00.14.02 # Dark_Apostrophe: toshiba gigabeat f-series 00.14.28 # donvito: merwin has tried a lot of things on his R model, he can probably let you in on a few things 00.14.32 # I need to sleep 00.14.38 # ok 00.14.40 # thanks 00.14.53 # Bagder: you wouldn't happen to know what HPH_OUT_L is? 00.15.37 # "Left Headphone Register" 00.15.41 Quit ctaf ("Leaving.") 00.16.16 # Bagder: http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox-sandisk-connection.html says "March 10 2006: Rockbox now has sound" shouldn't that be 2007?? 00.16.23 # oh 00.16.23 # merwin: hey so whats been going on? 00.16.26 # hehe 00.16.32 # Galois: thanks 00.16.42 # Bagder: ok, so i verified that it loaded the modified recovery, but the vanilla e200 won’t load... neither will the rockbox e200r firmware 00.16.47 # Bagder: does the AS3514 have a line in? I think it would since there is an FM tuner in the canadian/american version 00.16.59 # andrew867: yes it does 00.17.11 # and if it does could you shed some light on how to switch from DAC to Line In in the mixer? 00.17.22 # LinusN: No stores or e-stores selling it here.. :( 00.17.34 # Bagder: Or should i throw the rockbox e200 firmware? 00.17.36 # Man, Norway feels so detached from the world. 00.17.39 # andrew867: I can't now, I'm off to bed 00.17.42 # sorry 00.17.42 # Dark_Apostrophe: ebay? 00.17.44 # instead of e200r? 00.17.54 # LinusN: I don't have a credit card... 00.17.59 # i see 00.18.05 Part Llorean 00.18.22 # Dark_Apostrophe: i'm almost certain i've seen it 00.18.22 # Bagder: have a good night then :) I will probably be here tomorrow sometime 00.18.34 # can't remember at which shop, though 00.18.35 # preglow: Are you in Norway? 00.18.39 # Dark_Apostrophe: yes 00.18.41 Join safetydan [0] (i=cbca159f@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 00.18.56 # andrew867: dan_a and barrywardell are good guys to poke on for AS3514 audio stuff 00.18.58 # and rp 00.19.00 # Ok. Elkjøp? Expert? Noen av de butikkjedene? 00.19.06 Quit Bagder ("time to say moo!") 00.19.08 # don't think so, can't remember 00.19.13 # :/ 00.19.15 # merwin: damn lol 00.19.15 # somewhere in oslo, though 00.19.25 # Jeg bor i Sarpsborg.. 00.19.36 Quit _Amblin (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.19.41 # tough luck :) also, keep it english 00.19.49 # Ok, sorry. 00.19.49 # channel is logged 00.19.57 # K. 00.20.01 # markun, amiconn, thanks for getting those ARM4 speex opts working. I'll feed the changes back to the speex devs when I get a chance. 00.20.07 # merwin: did you get the modified bl loaded? 00.20.09 # Dark_Apostrophe: anywho, i'll tell you if i see it again 00.20.31 # preglow: I'm not likely to be here a lot... 00.20.33 # donvito: yeah, but it goes back to the old one 00.20.39 # Dark_Apostrophe: sure, but if you are ;) 00.20.44 # merwin: like right away? 00.20.48 # safetydan: If this gets included in official libspeex, the constraints can be simplified some more 00.20.51 # preglow: I'm on freenode most of the time, but not in this channel 00.20.55 # donvito: next boot... not sure why 00.20.59 # I just wanted to keep the changes to a minimum 00.21.00 # Dark_Apostrophe: then i'll probably find you 00.21.00 # merwin: hmm 00.21.10 # merwin: did you get e200tool working in win? 00.21.37 Join ultraren [0] (n=renwins@adsl-75-20-223-190.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) 00.21.43 # preglow: #debian, #kde, #uncyclopedia and a few others. 00.21.46 # safetydan: And btw, changing the constraints didn't change the generated code. Gcc complained, but did the right thing. 00.22.02 # donvito: nope 00.22.15 # not using + for io arguments is Bad anyway 00.22.37 # merwin: oh, were you doing it in recovery mode/ 00.22.39 # merwin: ?* 00.22.44 # amiconn, cool. 00.22.52 Quit ender` (" It's a good thing money can't buy happiness. We couldn't stand the commercials.") 00.22.54 # now we just need some coldfire asm :) 00.23.12 # safetydan: i'm planning on seeing to that 00.23.23 # but with my usual pace these days, it might not be too soon 00.23.59 # well I cracked open the Coldfire programmers reference... and got completely lost so I doubt I'll get much done :) 00.24.14 # safetydan: you could identify some hotspots for me 00.24.28 Nick andrew867 is now known as andrewg (n=andrew@stjhnf0124w-142162086164.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) 00.24.29 # i've got some basic filtering stuff located, but it might not be the best places 00.24.49 # argh, all my 'normal' irc nicks are alreasy registered :/ 00.24.59 # brb 00.25.01 Part andrewg 00.25.16 # preglow, there's several parts of the library that already have asm opts, so I would assume those are hotspots. 00.25.25 # and as an aside, blackfin syntax looks really weird 00.25.30 # ugh 00.25.30 # safetydan: not always true for different platforms, but yeah, not unlikely :) 00.25.44 # safetydan: all analog devices asm looks weird 00.25.49 # blackfin asm looks somewhat like sharc asm 00.25.55 # The blackfin code looks... interesting 00.26.14 Join andrewg867 [0] (n=andrew@stjhnf0124w-142162086164.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) 00.26.58 Quit muesli__ ("ich will Kühe!!!") 00.29.19 # hey, i've got a quick question about installing rockbox on my 4th gen greyscale ipod 00.29.22 # hrm, looks like most of the filtering stuff i saw is gone 00.29.27 # ultraren: ask ahead 00.29.40 # what's the root directory? 00.30.01 # could someone add me to the Rockbox wiki users group please? 00.30.08 # safetydan: the amount of asm looks really low compared to what is used to be 00.30.25 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc4-brig8-0-0-cust617.brig.cable.ntl.com) 00.30.28 # i'm using windows, is it the folder that explorer opens by default? 00.31.22 # haha im not thinking fully tonight, my wiki name is AndrewGreen 00.32.08 Quit Soap2 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00.32.25 # preglow, do you mean that older versions of the speex source had more asm source? 00.32.31 # safetydan: definitely 00.32.38 # ultraren: the root directory would be, for example X:\ where X is the drive letter that windows assigned it 00.33.01 # ah, i thought so 00.33.06 # thanks! 00.33.09 # safetydan: i also had a chat with valin about it, he said much of the old asm code had been neglected when the c source changed 00.33.34 # safetydan: so the case might be that no one has written it yet 00.33.48 # he doesn't seem to be on irc now, though 00.33.51 # merwin: were you able to verify that the BL was indeed on the sansa? 00.33.57 Join _Amblin [0] (n=Osiris@udp124072uds.hawaiiantel.net) 00.34.01 # merwin: because i cant seem to get it to stay on there 00.34.47 # when you copy the sansa bootloader the device should read it and write it to the bootloader area then delete it from the drive 00.35.18 # safetydan: the stuff in filters.c, for example, could be quite easily asmified 00.36.17 Quit mattzz ("Leaving") 00.36.17 # donvito: Well, i edited the BL_Support that was modified and changed the string at the top... if i boot it immediately after using ‘e200tool recover’ into the REC mode, it shows the modified string. However, any following boots don’t show it 00.36.40 # merwin: cool... 00.36.45 Quit entheh ("^~") 00.36.45 # merwin: thats really odd 00.36.46 # donvito: sort of... 00.36.48 # then when you reboot, if you copied the rockbox firmware then it will try to load rockbox from the memory, or OF.bin from \SYSTEM when you hold down the right arrow 00.37.20 # merwin: so youre using e200tool under linux? 00.37.25 # donvito: yeah 00.37.40 # preglow, safetydan: maybe a good idea to talk to jmspeex (#xiph / #vorbis) before we do ARM optimizations after which the C code gets changed again 00.37.44 # merwin: ok, well thats still wierd, i changed the welcome string too, but it doesnt show it 00.38.01 # markun: ahh, THAT was his nick 00.38.03 # he is on irc 00.38.04 # andrewg867: you think it would work 00.38.06 # andrewg867: ? 00.38.13 # preglow: yes, he's online 00.38.25 # i though you were doing something else, what exactly are you trying to do? 00.38.38 # merwin: get the rhapsody to boot rockbox lol 00.38.41 # donvito: you have to hold down REC while it’s booting immediately after it writes the recovery and automatically boots it 00.38.41 # preglow: I assume he's mister speex, might be wrong 00.38.49 # merwin: but were trying to see if the BL can be patched and replaced 00.38.51 # he is, i remember the nick now 00.39.09 # whoops 00.39.13 # wrong person 00.39.43 # msging him now 00.39.45 # hmm, so your using it on the E200R? 00.39.55 # trying to 00.40.02 # ahh, that makes sense 00.40.29 # i just want to know how merwin got the patched bl to stay, even for just a reboot, because i cant get it to write it seems 00.41.14 Part toffe82 00.41.44 # just to make sure, you are using the hex editor in replace mode right? 00.41.59 # i found that some shoddy editors default to insert 00.42.03 Quit Sniper_Spike ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/2007021917]") 00.42.20 Quit robin0800 ("Relax, its only ONES and ZEROS!") 00.42.24 # I advocate rockbox from time to time when people ask for ogg vorbis capable players in #vorbis :) 00.42.43 # ill check that 00.42.43 # donvito: if you do it just as i said, it will get to the recovery mode of the patched one 00.42.45 # that’s it 00.43.10 # merwin: did someone already ask you to fix your codepage settings? 00.43.45 # donvito: use ‘e200tool recover patched-bootloader.btl’ and while it’s writing it, start holding down the REC button... don’t let go of it until after it boots into the recovery mode 00.43.52 # donvito: Then you will be in the patched mode 00.44.00 # markun: Nope 00.44.02 # ok so ill need to get linux going lol 00.44.12 # i wish it worked in windows 00.44.36 # donvito: vmware or microsoft virtual PC (VPC is free now btw) 00.44.45 Nick swimmer_ is now known as swimmer (n=swimmer@komalaystefan.xs4all.nl) 00.44.58 # andrewg867: yea i use vmware, i just cant get ubuntu to boot 00.45.12 # andrewg867: is there a small distro that can build e200tool/ 00.45.33 # there is the rockbox development vmware image 00.45.40 # andrewg867: really? 00.45.43 # i'm using that currently 00.45.45 # andrewg867: wow i feel like a n00b 00.45.50 # merwin: your ' looks weird 00.45.50 # i'll find you a link 00.46.00 # markun: huh? 00.46.07 # quotation marks 00.46.17 # markun: oh... there’s ‘ and ’ 00.46.29 # yes, those :) 00.46.34 # my irc client automatically puts those in :) 00.46.56 # can you turn if off please? 00.47.03 # andrewg867: i got it 00.47.09 # markun: not sure 00.47.09 # andrewg867: thanks for letting me in on that lol 00.47.19 # haha 00.47.23 # look like weird blocks here 00.48.06 Quit relaxed ("http://www.zsnes.com/") 00.48.43 # donvito: its based on debian and i'm not sure if they have updated it to GCC 4.1 yet, there is an sh script in the /tools/ folder on SVN if you download rockbox with it (SVN) 00.49.03 # that will make GCC 4.1 in your home folder for you 00.49.18 # andrewg867: ok cool 00.50.07 # what I did for mine to keep it organized was to cd to /usr/src, do 'svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox' and then you have the most surrent rockbox source in /usr/src/rockbox/ 00.50.35 # andrewg867: cool 00.50.56 # i also make a folder called 'sansa-e200-build' in /usr/src and ran '../rockbox/tools/configure' in there and edited the makefile to use GCC 4.1 that I manually installed on the system 00.51.06 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 00.51.33 # and from that it seems that everything works fine (for now ;) ) 00.52.09 # andrewg867: awesome, well i have like 10 mins on that dl 00.52.37 # if you need any help with compiling or getting it to actually run then just ask :) 00.53.54 # andrewg867: ok thats dude 00.53.59 # andrewg867: thanks * 00.57.55 # ahahah it seems I did stuff the hard way when I first installed rockbox on my sansa 01.00.18 # I think I flashed the bootloader and main firmware at least 3 or 4 times through recovery mode because I couldn't figure out the dual boot 01.01.20 # 01:01 filter_mem16(), iir_mem16() and pitch_xcorr() would be the 01.01.20 # first I'd optimise 01.03.41 # Do some things still need fixed-point converting? 01.03.48 # wouldn't know 01.04.53 # markun, yes 01.05.03 # stereo decoding still uses floats for example 01.05.31 Quit bonbonthejon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.08.51 Quit stripwax (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 01.10.34 Join webguest41 [0] (i=43bbe7a0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-826213e2d2ccd0e8) 01.11.02 # safetydan: ugh 01.11.06 # awesome! i've installed rockbox and i am now transfering music! 01.11.18 Quit webguest41 (Client Quit) 01.11.19 # safetydan: we really should try to be rid of all this mallocing... 01.11.27 # safetydan: either that or make a malloc that can use iram 01.11.33 Part LinusN 01.12.24 Join webguest41 [0] (i=43bbe7a0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d2623a2687921aa6) 01.12.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.13.12 # my computer doesn't recognize the iPod with rockbox installed. It was working for awhile but now when connected to the usb cable the ipod doesnt mount 01.13.46 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-247-129.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 01.15.30 Quit ultraren () 01.15.43 # preglow, well... I'd like to get actual stereo decoding actually working first :) 01.16.17 # that, and get the speex decoder using the oggframing.c from Tremor, which has proved to be somewhat non-trivial to do 01.16.34 # the ipod will only mount to the os under the original firmware 01.16.34 Quit Rob2222 () 01.16.59 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B150CB.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.17.44 Quit Dark_Apostrophe (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 01.17.44 Quit webguest41 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.24.51 # safetydan: valin says he's very interested in these optimisation, so would like to help 01.24.56 Join bonbonthejon [0] (n=jon@69.61.203.3) 01.32.23 # and on that note, i should get some sleep 01.32.23 # laters 01.32.48 # g'night 01.33.08 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 01.33.11 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-70-137-199-232.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) 01.33.46 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=steve-o@pool-71-96-115-128.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) 01.38.59 Join hi [0] (i=valiant@AC976D5E.ipt.aol.com) 01.39.15 # raaa 01.39.28 # anybody there? 01.40.37 # hi 01.41.05 # heya. this thing isn't very accessible - yeah i'm a blindy. 01.41.58 # I've been trying to install rockbox on a sansa e250. I've been attempting to find someone who would like to help me through the process. it seams too complicated for me 01.42.46 Join relaxed [0] (n=relaxed@unaffiliated/relaxed) 01.42.59 # hi relax 01.43.43 Quit Thundercloud_ (Remote closed the connection) 01.46.04 # testing 01.46.33 Join ctaf [0] (n=ctaf@ram94-6-82-242-23-70.fbx.proxad.net) 01.48.30 # andrewg867: i see you had some questions about the sansa earlier... 01.51.11 Part pixelma 01.52.37 Join DPic [0] (n=DPic@209-150-56-190.c3-0.nwt-ubr3.sbo-nwt.ma.cable.rcn.com) 01.53.34 Join Moos [0] (n=Moos@m135.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 01.53.38 # barrywardell: yeah I was wondering about the mixer volumes and the DAC gains, the volume feels a lot lower that with the stock firmware 01.54.05 # I just bought my ipod yesterday and there is no music. I put rockbox on it and when i initialize database it says 491 found and never finishes and if i leave it for too long it will have restarted and when i go into the database menu it tells me i need to initialize it again 01.55.08 # andrewg867: you could try setting DAC_L to 0x5f and DAC_R to 0x1f, but that might be too high 01.56.30 Quit Moos (Client Quit) 01.56.36 # hrm this is weird, I plugged in the sansa while it was "updating database" and now its charging while on the USB but not recognizing that it is actually on a USB port 01.56.45 Quit _Amblin (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.56.52 # and I think I might have an idea on the USB 'issue' 01.57.00 Join Moos [0] (i=Moos@m135.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 01.57.16 # you need to unplug and plug it back in again 01.57.35 # by the looks of the PCB scans there is a TI SPST switch chip connected to two pins on the bottom connector, maybe that has something to do with USB 01.57.37 # it only switches to usb mode if you plug it in after the firmware has finished starting up 01.57.46 # yeah thats what I thought 01.58.14 # which 'issue' are you referring to? 01.58.53 # the one where it recognizes that its plugged into USB while in rockbox but not actually doing anything 01.59.15 # that's because rockbox doesn't yet have a usb driver 01.59.34 # and how would you switch to the Line In on the mixer instead of the DAC, im also looking for information on the "3-wire bus" that the FM chip has 01.59.38 # it's the same issue that affects all other portalplayer targets (h10 and ipods) 01.59.59 # ahh, I was thinking that you wern't getting any info about a USB connection but recongnizing the charger 02.00.20 # the only information I have about the FM chip is here: http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/tuner_interface.txt 02.00.33 Quit Moos (Client Quit) 02.00.42 Join Moos [0] (i=Moos@m135.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 02.01.02 # here is another datasheet I found, it only says that it implements a 3-wire bus http://www.semiconductor-sanyo.com/ds_e/ENA0070A.pdf 02.01.26 # "3-wire bus interface (Data, Clock, NR-W)" 02.01.34 # NR-W is the Read/Write line 02.02.12 # there is a description of the 3-wire bus on the page I linked 02.02.42 # I was getting rockbox to recompile while you linked me :) 02.03.50 # oh well then, that clears up a lot of my questions, thanks 02.05.04 # line in 1 and 2 are enabled with bits 2 and 3 of AUDIOSET1 02.06.03 # I'll brb 02.06.09 # Looks like quite standard spi 02.06.17 Quit hi () 02.07.19 # http://www.maxim-ic.com/appnotes.cfm?appnote_number=802 theres some info on SPI 02.07.55 # that also explains why changing radio stations is kinda slow 02.08.42 # barrywardell: i'm guessing the Mic is on one Line In and FM chip on the other 02.08.46 # Na, not standard 02.09.00 # the examples pretty much explain how to talk to the radio chip 02.09.04 # or does the chip have a seperate mixer for the sudio ADC? 02.09.15 # *audio 02.09.30 # andrewg867: How so? 02.09.39 # andrewg867: mic is separate 02.09.52 Join JdGordon [0] (i=82c20d69@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-10bfbeec7c029dfb) 02.10.08 # mic 1 and 2 are bits 0 and 1 of AUDIOSET1 02.10.09 # so the input mixer (for recording) is completely seperate from the output? 02.10.30 # Serial transfers are quite common for inter-chip communication in embedded devices 02.10.38 Join littleguy [0] (i=valiant@AC976D5E.ipt.aol.com) 02.10.50 # testing 1 2 3 02.11.00 # hi littleguy 02.11.10 # hi 02.11.37 # I'd like to ask for some help getting a sansa e200 up and running with rockbox, can anybody help? 02.11.46 # andrewg867: yes, if I understand what you're asking correctly 02.12.30 # does the AS chip have a way to listen to the input source via an internal loopback system of some sort? 02.13.27 # first, does anbody know how to get connected to this with miranda? it's easier for me to read than this mirc client is 02.15.28 # yes. the inputs get fed to both a ADC and to the mixer 02.15.32 # Are my messages going through? this is about the first time i've messed with irc 02.15.38 Part Moos ("Quitte") 02.15.48 # littleguy: yes, they are getting through 02.16.02 # littleguy: we can see your messages fine, I might be able to help you with miranda in a sec 02.16.09 Join Soap2 [0] (n=Soap@65.204.73.3) 02.16.34 # that's great 02.17.29 # What stepps should I take to get connected with miranda? 02.18.00 # wow there are lots of buttons and clutter getting in the way of my screen reader here on mirc, I want to get miranda to work so I can get rid of the extra clutter 02.18.43 # wrong channel... but whats the problem? miranda works great 02.19.04 # if you open the miranda menu, go to the "IRC" subsection, select "Quick connect". In the "Server name:" box select "FreeNode: Random server" and the other options should work as-is. select the "Connect" button and then select the meranda menu again, go to "IRC" and select "Join channel" 02.19.19 # in the box that comes up type "#rockbox" 02.19.25 Join andrew-test [0] (n=Miranda@stjhnf0124w-142162086164.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) 02.19.31 # and it works :) 02.20.09 Quit andrew-test (Client Quit) 02.20.22 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@63-226-223-251.tukw.qwest.net) 02.20.30 # and I have to say that was the first time I have ever seen the program but it looks very nice 02.20.46 # I keep getting an "irc error" balloon. It has a password field next to that great big ol combo box 02.21.01 # barrywardell: i'm copying over the changed rockbox now 02.21.22 # littleguy: the password box should be left blank 02.22.55 # do you think I need to disconnect from this with mirc before I try to connect with miranda? 02.23.57 Join valiant3400 [0] (n=Miranda@AC976D5E.ipt.aol.com) 02.24.09 # holy cow, 137 uears 02.24.26 # you could try, it might think your nickname is already in use 02.24.35 # ok leaving with this one 02.24.41 Quit littleguy () 02.25.34 # ok. I have a sansa e200. I'm trying to put rockbox on it so I can take advantage of the speech access. That's why I picked out that mp3 player actually. 02.25.54 # I've been to the web guides on rockbox.org trying to figure out how to do it, but it's over my head. 02.26.13 # I've been exchanging emails with the mailing list for rockbox for 3 days now and I haven't real.y gotten anywhere 02.26.22 Nick jhulst_ is now known as jhuslt (n=jhulst@adsl-69-209-111-47.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) 02.26.34 Nick jhuslt is now known as jhulst_ (n=jhulst@adsl-69-209-111-47.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) 02.27.09 # Can anybody on here walk me through the process? heh 02.27.54 # ah by the way, i'm littleguy 02.28.09 # rockbox on the sansa isn't really for everyday use just yet 02.28.27 # there is a tool in the works which will make installing a one click job 02.28.35 # and audio isn't working properly yet 02.28.41 Quit midkay (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.28.43 # jhMikeS: well spotted.... quick fix about to be commited 02.29.24 # how long you think itl be before the rockbox for sansa will be ready to "rock"? 02.30.01 Join JerryLange [0] (n=JerryLan@ppp423.hk.centurytel.net) 02.30.08 # we don't estimate times because we have no way of telling how long it will take 02.30.48 # once the installation tool is done and audio has been fixed up, it should be fairly usable and easy to install 02.31.45 # yeah. I have a 30 day return on this player. I guess I'll have to asume the rockbox will satisfy me after that lol 02.32.11 # because I can't hardly use it right now, orriginal firmware on it is too complicated for me to memorise 02.32.28 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 02.34.45 # wow I LOVE MIRANDA 02.34.48 # oh, off topic, oopsy 02.34.48 # JdGordon: If I do this from withing the radio screen it just locks the player. 02.35.32 # valiant3400: then may I suggest you return the player, and "repurchase" it when the Sansa port is more fully developed. (That is, if you want to test-drive during your 30 day return period.) 02.37.00 # jhMikeS: can you svn up and try again? 02.37.12 # JdGordon: nap 02.37.27 # k 02.38.16 # barrywardell: finally rebooting the sansa into rockbox to test the gain changes, it took me a while to figure out the USB problem, seems that myUSB ports arn't broken now but the player just needed a reboot 02.38.17 # how do you get to the rec settings from the fm screen? 02.39.08 # Press long NAVI 02.39.51 # no rec settings there.... unless its not shown in the sim? 02.40.15 # The sim used to show everything the same I think 02.40.46 # barrywardell: it is seeming to to be louder, any higher than -18 dB seems to make the amp cut out. I'm testing with Running With The Devil btw 02.41.12 # and I really love the volume fade out/in feature :) 02.41.33 # * jhMikeS was compelled to make them match after committing the first patch 02.41.56 # there is over current protection which is probably what's causing your problem 02.42.00 # jhMikeS, JdGordon: The sim doesn't show any of the recording stuff, that's not simulated 02.42.04 # i'm not sure of the solution 02.42.08 Join cmptrgy412 [0] (n=cmptrgy4@70.255.40.223) 02.42.25 # It was set up to show the UI but not actually record 02.42.40 # barrywardell: I just turned the bass and trebel adjustments to 0dB and now its going up to -10 dB 02.43.05 # but it is much louder, on par with the sandisk firmware now 02.43.24 # look good from the recording screen :) 02.43.31 # well, the sandisk firmware with the volume setting on High 02.43.34 # the bass and treble are software based anyway, they're not dependant on the dac 02.43.49 Join lavid [0] (n=lavid@ppp-70-225-177-76.dsl.chmpil.ameritech.net) 02.43.53 # still lock my H120 from the FM screen though :( 02.44.03 # dan_a: you there? 02.44.20 # barrywardell: if I put on this bass test song the bass is really screwed over 02.44.44 # you know if the master mixer or DAC mixer inputs could be adjusted any higher? 02.44.56 # instead of adjusting the DAC -> mixer gain 02.45.19 # hmm, yeah even on low volumes the bass sounds distorted 02.45.38 # the value I gave you for the DAC gain is as high as it goes 02.45.49 # which is way too high :P 02.45.58 # and the volume control in rockbox sets the headphone gain 02.46.15 Part DPic 02.46.29 # are there any other adjustments on the chip for output volume? 02.47.07 # there is individual gain for each input, then individual gain for each output 02.47.29 # but for listening to stuff from the DAC through the headphones there are just those two gains to worry about 02.48.11 Quit JdGordon ("CGI:IRC") 02.48.19 # ok so if 0x50 L and 0x10 R is -16.5dB, what would be -8dB. I'm pretty confused on how you convert the dB (and mute bit for L) into hex for this register 02.48.42 # 0x1 in hex = 1.5db 02.49.00 # what would mute off for L be? 02.49.16 # there is a common mute for both 02.49.18 Quit midgey () 02.49.44 # I meant DAC mute off, "/* DAC mute off, -16.5dB gain */" 02.49.58 Join lukaswayne9 [0] (n=lukas@68.84.69.12) 02.50.07 # i guess you just add that mute bit to left which would affect both 02.50.26 # they're as Bagder said earlier: "the value is 5 bits, and the Mute_off is bit 6" 02.50.39 # yes 02.51.31 Part cmptrgy412 02.51.45 # oh I think I understand now, L for 8dB would be 0x59 or something close to it 02.51.53 # *-8dB 02.53.14 # I think it would be 0x56 ( 0x40 | 0x16) 02.54.01 # I would have gotten an iriver or iriver but I can't find any in local stores, nor any on the net for less than 200 bucks heh 02.54.30 # er iaudio or iriver 02.56.15 Join Guest52768 [0] (i=pugsley@62.204.144.237) 02.58.31 # what player has the most space that rockbox is currently running on? 02.59.11 # sleep time. hope i was some help to you, andrewg867 02.59.22 # barrywardell: yeah you were, thanks so much 02.59.26 # have a good night now 02.59.32 Quit barrywardell () 02.59.56 # I should go to bed in a bit, its 11:30 already 03.02.42 # andrewg867, go to be. 03.02.48 # *bed 03.02.51 # :p 03.05.21 # hehe, this sounds great at -8dB, i'm going to crank it up a bit more to 0x18 03.06.30 Part safetydan 03.07.31 # wow, this is actually awesome at 0x16. The bass test sounds like it does on the stock firmware :D 03.07.39 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 03.09.30 Quit merlin2049er (Client Quit) 03.09.51 # does rockbox do video stuff? 03.10.58 # on the sansa it plays mpgs but just very crapply :P 03.11.22 # i have to give the devs credit for actually getting it to wrk though :) 03.11.27 # *work 03.12.07 Join _Amblin [0] (n=Osiris@udp124072uds.hawaiiantel.net) 03.12.47 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.13.13 Quit lini (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.13.44 Join GodEater1 [0] (n=bryan@host-83-146-12-251.bulldogdsl.com) 03.15.57 # i was wondering about ipods (or first gen nanos (like ipl does)) 03.16.17 Quit evilnick () 03.18.30 Quit GodEater_ (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 03.19.02 Join jbwan [0] (n=jbchat@72-18-241-66.static-ip.telepacific.net) 03.19.34 # it seems that 0x18 is louder still, it just wont go above -1dB on the volume meter without cutting out 03.22.07 # with Hardest Part by Coldplay, its pretty loud and wont go any higher than -9dB 03.22.25 # it is a very big improvement though 03.24.16 # Speed of Sound sounds good at -11dB, I'll keep testing with other bands. Maybe someone will find this informative in the future 03.25.38 # oh and all these 'tests' are at 0x40 | 0x18 L and 0x18 R 03.26.00 Join Jdgordon [0] (i=82c20d67@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b2d08e9d1b359228) 03.26.30 # also Hot Girls In Love by Loverboy is good at -10dB 03.34.11 Join mehasd_ [0] (n=rastko@CPE002078c67dd3-CM0011ae015168.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 03.35.28 # When decrypting the mi4, does it matter what firmware version of the mi4 I use. Also, I have a Sansa e250 and all the firmwares are for e200. 03.37.51 # anyone? 03.40.26 # it shouldn't 03.40.54 # I use 1.3 because I find its a bit less buggy than 1.2 03.41.23 # and yes the e250 firmware is the same as any other e200 03.41.29 # thanks 03.41.42 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 03.43.43 Quit jbwan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.46.40 Join jbwan [0] (n=jbchat@72-18-241-66.static-ip.telepacific.net) 03.49.25 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 03.50.58 Join EbErT [0] (n=EbErT@adsl-34-33-145.asm.bellsouth.net) 03.51.41 Quit Jdgordon ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03.52.10 Quit Soap2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.52.22 Quit mehasd_ ("Leaving") 03.54.09 Quit midkay_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.55.23 Quit z0de (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 03.56.04 # well, i'm going to bed now 03.56.24 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 03.56.32 # I should be back again some time tomorrow, good night everyone :) 04.00.00 Quit donutman25 ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/2007021917]") 04.03.30 Quit BHSPitLappy (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.06.25 Quit valiant3400 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.07.05 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.07.05 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.09.35 Join JerryLange_ [0] (n=JerryLan@ppp423.hk.centurytel.net) 04.10.48 Quit JerryLange (Nick collision from services.) 04.10.57 Nick JerryLange_ is now known as JerryLange (n=JerryLan@ppp423.hk.centurytel.net) 04.11.55 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=steve-o@pool-71-96-115-128.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) 04.12.05 Join VoltageX [0] (n=voltagex@124-254-126-107-dsl.ispone.net.au) 04.12.37 # I'm in the wrong timezone to contact NVidia/PortalPlayer 04.13.06 # at least by phone 04.13.32 # yes, you are 04.13.57 # damn hostnames pointing to my location ;P 04.14.11 # i'm in a class taught by David Kirk (chief scientist of nvidia)... I'm thinking of asking him 04.14.33 # well well...could be interesting 04.14.34 # but i didn't even look at your DNS 04.14.51 # approach him semi-officially 04.15.24 # explain WTF rockbox is if he doesn't know, make it clear there's benefits for anyone building DAPs based on portal 04.15.32 # i.e. already working firmware 04.16.51 # I said I'm considering it. I highly doubt that he has much to do with that 04.17.04 # true 04.17.15 # but it's a foot in the door 04.17.16 # but he did get us CUDA stuff pre-release w/o NDA 04.17.29 # nice 04.17.40 # any progress would be good progress 04.18.11 # plus, someone in here said a statue would be made of whoever got docs from NVidia :P 04.19.42 # haha 04.20.01 # i'll see if i can do anything 04.20.58 # but you should make an attempt anyway 04.21.21 # hmm, email might be worth a shot. 04.21.31 # i doubt that will get you far 04.21.34 # but give it a shot 04.21.54 # let's see how far up the chain I can get 04.22.14 # as I said, wrong timezone for phonecalls 04.22.27 Quit jbwan ("ciao") 04.23.19 # <_Amblin> Wow. 04.23.27 # <_Amblin> Best of luck to you both! 04.25.08 Join saratoga [0] (i=9803f034@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0c03c772cb26f0a9) 04.25.38 # lavid: perhaps you could explain the situation to him and ask him put you in contact with someone a Nvidia 04.26.08 # presumably he knows quite a few people there 04.26.18 # haha, yeah. he's been there for 10 years 04.26.31 # basically, start working up their ranks 04.26.33 # * VoltageX does the NDA dance 04.27.14 # NDA + VII = NVIDIA 04.28.10 # yeah but if you go high enough up the chain, you might find someone who the NDAs don't apply to ;) 04.28.30 # well IMO we've got a better chance with NVidia, I mean at least they provide lunix graphics drivers 04.29.03 # which would be David Kirk. But still, there would be an open source nvidia driver with 3d accel if they were as open as we'd like them to be 04.29.18 # true 04.29.43 # first rockbox, then geforce :P 04.29.50 Join printfXh4 [0] (n=pseudo@ppp192-62.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net) 04.29.54 # GPUs are done in house though, whereas the PP chips were bought wholesale and contain none of nvidia's own research 04.30.10 # its not even clear they plan to continue to develop them, so they may be less tightfisted 04.30.22 Join g8se [0] (n=geoffc@sdcarl02.strategicdata.com.au) 04.30.24 # yeah, the question is how much of the policy of PP they plan to follow 04.30.37 # good luck 04.30.38 # well i need to do some work 04.30.42 # ditto 04.30.49 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC") 04.30.59 # * VoltageX has no clases for the rest of the day 04.31.07 Join JBGood [0] (n=jbauman@208.101.160.171.dynamic.dejazzd.com) 04.31.21 # <_Amblin> A beer is in this for you if you can pull this off, lavid :) 04.31.54 # I wonder how well beer does in international post. 04.37.33 # err, does nvidia even have a phone number? 04.37.54 # <_Amblin> Customer support? Then work your way up? 04.38.06 # true, brb 04.38.09 Quit VoltageX () 04.38.27 # try developer.nvidia 04.38.29 # .com 04.43.16 Join Stalwart^ [0] (n=stalwart@ip-10.154.Home-Lan.fastnet.lv) 04.45.26 # I'm a new rockbox user. Does rockbox include code to act as a USB mass storage device? 04.45.38 # <_Amblin> ON what device? 04.46.21 Join JerryLange_ [0] (n=JerryLan@ppp423.hk.centurytel.net) 04.46.28 # g8se: Yes, it does. 04.46.39 Join voltagex [0] (n=voltagex@124-254-126-107-dsl.ispone.net.au) 04.46.40 Quit JerryLange (Nick collision from services.) 04.46.48 # _Amblin: running on an iriver H10 20GB 04.46.53 # hmm, could only find a "local" number for NVidia 04.46.55 # 4084862000 04.46.56 Nick JerryLange_ is now known as JerryLange (n=JerryLan@ppp423.hk.centurytel.net) 04.47.16 # aliask: do you need to enable it in the menu somewhere? Or should it just work when you plug it in? 04.47.25 # It will just work. 04.47.42 # Rockbox doesn't support MTP at all... 04.47.55 # aliask: thats fine, I'm running linux 04.48.48 Quit voltagex (Client Quit) 04.49.29 # Hmm, linux sees something, but I get "control timeout on ep0out". Of course, I'm running 2.6.8 on Debian, I've found usb support in that kernel a bit unreliable on other devices 04.49.41 Join voltagex [0] (n=voltagex@124-254-126-107-dsl.ispone.net.au) 04.50.57 # What does dmesg say? 04.51.16 # usb 5-8: new high speed USB device using address 3 04.51.17 # usb 5-8: control timeout on ep0out 04.51.17 # usb 5-8: device not accepting address 3, error -71 04.51.17 DBUG Enqueued KICK g8se 04.51.17 # usb 5-8: new high speed USB device using address 4 04.51.17 # usb 5-8: control timeout on ep0out 04.51.17 *** Alert Mode level 1 04.51.17 # usb 5-8: device not accepting address 4, error -71 04.51.52 # Hrm. I don't think that's rockbox related... Do you have another PC to test on? 04.52.27 # if you're using a hub, don't. or try a different cable/port. also, try to reboot 04.53.25 # aliask: just tried it on a winXP box, and it came up as an unrecognized usb device 04.53.43 # lavid: no hubs, straight into a port on the computer 04.53.59 # perhaps the h10 port doesn't do the usb stuff yet? 04.54.16 # does it work with OF? 04.54.19 # g8se: Hrm, I'm inclined to say it could be the cable, but that's only because nobody else has this problem. 04.54.27 # OF = orig firmware 04.54.48 # OF, yes MTP and mass work (with the reset trick) 04.55.29 # well, since i don't have a h10 i can't do much but the voltages might be messed up 04.55.39 # Then it really does sound like a rockbox issue. The H10 is a portalplayer device, so we havn't written our own USB stack yet - if it's like the iPods it should just use the original firmware's USB mode 04.56.23 # Hmm, I've had problems with the OF usb mode. Large transfers seem to break 04.56.44 # Seems like a common problem amongs H10 users on linux 04.56.49 # When is someone going to write that usb stack? 04.57.00 # i’m waiting on it for sansa :) 04.57.20 # I'm confused though, how do you hook into the OF USB stack? (I've not done embedded development before) 04.58.17 # In the case of the ipod, I think there is a particular file that is a piece of code that is a dedicated disk mode 04.59.05 # Or load the ipod firmware and jump to the disk mode function - I 04.59.07 # 'm not sure which 04.59.52 # the iriver has an encrypted firmware on the disk, and the instructions list decrypting it as optional. So perhaps the port doesn't have support for using the OF usb mode. 05.01.18 *** Alert Mode OFF 05.07.21 Quit JerryLange ("Leaving") 05.11.03 # g8se: Try holding down the right button on the H10 when you insert USB 05.12.14 # Just had a look into the code, and it looks like it won't reboot unless you do that 05.12.37 Quit Stalwart (Connection timed out) 05.12.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.14.18 # g8se: I'm getting the same stuff on dmesg when I plug in my sansa. I'm going to go ahead and say that it's due to rockbox 05.15.57 Join Stalwart_ [0] (n=stalwart@ip-10.154.Home-Lan.fastnet.lv) 05.16.44 # aliask: Holding the right button does something different, but I'm not sure what. 05.17.13 # I see a big usb logo popup if I hold down the right button when plugging it in, but it still doesn't work. Get the same kernel messages 05.17.54 # Hrm, Ok. I have no clue what's going on then. Might need to wait for some of the portalplayer people to come on/wake up 05.18.03 # And it does seem to do a reboot of some sort, but it comes back into the rockbox firmware 05.18.27 # whats this portalplayer thing? Is that kinda a sub architecture? 05.19.43 # It's the type of CPU that is inside iPods and H10s among others. 05.20.28 # It also handles the USB 05.21.22 # aliask: any names I should watch out for in the channel, if I drop in later then? 05.22.19 # <_Amblin> Llorean, Badger, saratoga. 05.22.22 # Bagder and Barrywardell are probably a good start 05.22.38 # Barrywardell especially as he was the one who did the H10 port 05.27.00 Join Moofar^Colt [0] (n=k@ip68-107-19-179.sd.sd.cox.net) 05.32.00 # aliask: Thanks, I'll keep an eye out for those people 05.32.11 Quit Stalwart^ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.32.14 # I was very pleased when I saw on the wiki that Barry was working on a H10 port 05.34.11 # merwin: hey dude, any progress? 05.40.29 Quit donvito ("AnacønÐa · "If anything can't go wrong, it will anyway"") 05.47.23 Join ALTNICK [0] (n=vertz@80.80-203-74.nextgentel.com) 05.48.07 Quit vertz (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 05.48.12 Part lavid 05.49.18 Quit blind (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.59.59 Quit rotator () 06.01.15 Join webguest51 [0] (i=18a77b80@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-cddd5c44f820e84c) 06.01.25 # could somone please help me? 06.01.50 # webguest51: try AA 06.02.20 # webguest51 :) 06.02.32 # mind expanding your question a little more? 06.02.34 # ? 06.02.39 # alright 06.02.41 # I have a mac ipod trying to install rockbox, ive converted it to a windows format, but the installer for the bootloader wont work for me. 06.02.49 # it says this: 06.03.00 # [INFO] Scanning disk devices... 06.03.07 # [ERR] No ipods found, aborting 06.03.14 # [ERR] Please connect your ipod and ensure it is in disk mode 06.03.20 # ERR] Also ensure that itunes is closed, and that your ipod is not mounted. 06.03.28 # [ERR] Please refer to the Rockbox manual if you continue to have problems. 06.03.38 # itunes is closed and the ipod is NOT mounted 06.03.55 # as far as I know) on the ipod 06.04.03 # *I have all the files on the ipod 06.04.05 # <_Amblin> web: Is your iPod connected to the computer through any hub? 06.04.10 # no 06.04.14 # im on a laptop 06.04.41 # <_Amblin> And the computer see the iPod normally? 06.05.13 # well, im on mac so I had to make it a FAT32 partion but, it does show up normally 06.05.39 # unless I unmount it of course 06.06.36 # <_Amblin> Well the first thing I would do is try the installation on a Windows based PC. 06.07.26 # the entire installition? would that be bad if I go back to my mac and have to re-format it? 06.07.30 Part toffe82 06.08.28 # <_Amblin> Format the iPod? 06.09.14 # well, yes if I go on a windows and install it, and then go to my mac, and go into itunes, wont that mean I will have to re-format it for apple again? 06.10.31 # <_Amblin> The boot loader gives you the option to boot both rockbox and the original firmware 06.11.47 # <_Amblin> Since you can load the original firmware, I see no reason to format, but if you needed to, I'd make iTunes "update" the firmware, and put back all the original firmware files. 06.12.02 # you are totally missing what he is asking... 06.12.04 # so the rockbox firmware will be FAT32 but the apple will be the same as before? 06.12.23 # webguest51: no you dont have to...the apple firmware works fin under FAT32 06.12.35 # <_Amblin> My appologies. 06.13.00 # but instead of simply going to a windows computer, it is best to try and see what the root of the problem is 06.13.05 # its just the bootloader installer wont work for me 06.13.15 # ive done everything 06.13.18 # unless, of course, you have windows right there 06.13.49 # are you sure you made it a FAT32 primary partition? 06.13.50 # no 06.13.53 # yes 06.13.54 # im sure 06.14.06 # disk utility says its a FAT32 06.14.13 # and primary? 06.14.28 # what do you mean? 06.14.40 # the HD itself on the ipod? 06.14.42 # there are 2 types of partitions...primary and logical 06.14.53 # yes, they are both FAT32 06.15.02 # no...that is the partition type 06.15.07 # errr....filesystem 06.15.14 # i am referring to the type 06.15.49 # I dont know what you mean 06.16.07 # sorry, I dont mess with the ipod on this level very often 06.17.00 # wait....let me try somthing 06.17.03 # I changed somthing 06.17.17 # ..no 06.18.08 Join jbwan [0] (n=jbchat@72-18-241-66.static-ip.telepacific.net) 06.18.08 # the installer cant find the ipod, thats one of the errors its giving me 06.18.28 # what installer?....ipodpatcher? 06.18.51 # yes 06.19.34 # hold a sec...i am a bit busy, so i may come and go 06.19.42 # ok, thats fine 06.21.21 # so how exactly did you format it? 06.22.13 # I used the tutorial 06.22.25 # which? 06.22.35 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 06.22.51 # everything worked fine for that 06.23.02 # the ipod is FAT32 now 06.23.26 Nick joshin is now known as joshin_ (n=joshin@unaffiliated/joshin) 06.24.01 # hmmm...and you went and unmounted the device afterwards? 06.24.08 # yes 06.24.16 # after putting the files in it 06.24.37 # the only weird thing so far was that 06.24.49 # I dot have a folder with the stuff for rockbox inside 06.25.01 # only a folder with rockbox.ipod inside 06.25.10 # you do...it is just invisible to mac users 06.25.23 # rockbox.ipod is supposed to go int he root 06.25.24 # and the font folders are invisable too? 06.26.02 # ok, I moved it to the root 06.26.15 # im going to try the insataller again 06.26.33 # no 06.26.59 # wait, I forgot to do somthing 06.27.28 # still no 06.28.30 # can you run fdisk -l /dev/whateveryourdeviceis for me and paste the output in pastebin.ca for me to look at? 06.28.45 # ok 06.29.29 Part g8se 06.31.07 # alot of stuff came up 06.31.23 # which is why i said to use pastebin.ca ;) 06.31.51 # ? I dont know what that is 06.31.57 # lol 06.32.00 # sorry 06.32.05 # it is a website 06.32.48 # http://pastebin.ca/394297 06.33.15 # I cut off where it shows where my name is, blah blah 06.33.37 # above that post it said 06.33.43 # fdisk: illegal option -- l 06.39.39 Quit markun (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.39.46 # errrr....whoops...i meant l 06.40.01 # wait...didnt i say l ? 06.40.21 # you told me to put - l 06.40.55 Join Dark_Apostrophe [0] (n=darkapos@217-77-150.0508.adsl.tele2.no) 06.41.13 # the letter l right? 06.41.59 # yes 06.42.41 Join Allen [0] (n=Osiris@udp124072uds.hawaiiantel.net) 06.44.14 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 06.44.14 # * scorche is not familiar iwth macs... 06.44.55 # lol, And I thought installing rockbox would be easy :D 06.45.12 # I thought IPL was a pain to install, lol 06.45.35 # it is easy....i just dont know my way around macs like i should 06.45.37 Quit Allen (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.46.01 Join Allen [0] (n=Osiris@udp124072uds.hawaiiantel.net) 06.46.08 # wait around for linuxstb if you can...i am trying to get something done by a certain time tonight and am losing =/ 06.46.36 # its alright, ill go lurk in the forums more, perhaps I can find some kind of awnser :) thank you all for your help 06.46.38 Quit webguest51 ("CGI:IRC") 06.48.24 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 06.48.30 # macfdisk -l maybe? 06.48.33 # * scorche shrugs 06.48.44 # mac-fdisk even 06.50.24 Quit jbwan ("ciao") 06.51.03 Quit _Amblin (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.51.08 # I haven't updated rockbox in for-EVER 06.51.17 # the interface is totally different... in a good way 06.51.36 Join lou_cal [0] (n=lou@ool-4575e310.dyn.optonline.net) 06.53.42 Join Peps [0] (n=chatzill@203-173-174-218.bliink.ihug.co.nz) 06.54.17 Part lou_cal ("Konversation terminated!") 06.55.30 # I know it is an extreamly long shot, but is there any chance of porting rockbox to the X-Drive, specifically the vp 6230? 06.55.52 # Peps: go to the NewPort page on the wikii 06.56.33 Part EbErT 06.58.18 # scorche, can't see that page on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome 06.58.36 # type it into the little box at the top 07.02.29 Quit BHSPitLappy (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.02.40 Quit Allen (Remote closed the connection) 07.08.36 Quit Peps ("Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.1/2007022117]") 07.11.24 Quit Guest52768 ("lini has no reason") 07.11.27 Join lini [0] (i=pugsley@62.204.144.237) 07.12.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.19.07 Join _Amblin [0] (n=Osiris@udp124072uds.hawaiiantel.net) 07.20.47 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=steve-o@pool-71-96-115-128.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) 07.26.26 Join webguest93 [0] (i=3aa813c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6136fe2d6441a8e8) 07.26.52 # hello 07.27.02 # i need some help 07.27.26 # Shoot 07.28.29 # i just installed rockbox on my ipod and everytyhing was working fine but when i went to turn it on one time none of my music is there, on the apple firmware too 07.28.46 # and my computer wont recognise my ipod 07.29.46 # Does your computer recognise the ipod if you are running the apple firmware 07.29.52 # no 07.30.09 # is still charges though 07.37.45 # webguest93: It could be a case of the harddrive dying, but you say rockbox still loads? 07.43.20 Quit lini ("lini has no reason") 07.43.32 # yes i just got it to work i reseted it while it was plugged in 07.43.36 # thankyou for your help 07.43.40 Quit webguest93 ("CGI:IRC") 07.45.10 Join zdro [0] (i=0cd8e37c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0e2ebfb606756ee2) 07.45.18 # Hey guys 07.45.38 # I have a quick tech question, if anyone is willing to listen. 07.47.00 # I put Rockbox onto my 30GB video iPod, but didn't disconnect it immediately following the installation, like the instructions said to do. Now I am stuck in disk mode and my Mac will not recognize my iPod. Is there a fix for this or am I out of luck? 07.47.51 # zdro: what do you mean, you left it connected for a while? did you do anything else to it? 07.48.03 Join doubletake-viple [0] (n=buyse13@pool-71-164-238-15.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) 07.48.11 # No, I did nothing else to it. 07.48.24 # zdro: Have you tried resetting the iPod? 07.48.28 # hey. are their any set ups for an ipod nano 2nd gen? 07.48.37 # doubletake-viple: Not yet 07.48.40 # Yeah, I have several times. 07.48.58 # zdro: So it switches off and doesn't work, or nothing happens? 07.49.05 # do you know how long until one is released? 07.49.12 Quit _Amblin (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.49.31 # doubletake-viple: There is no documentation for the chips inside them, and no real work has been done yet. There is no timeline for a release. 07.49.42 # oh ok. thanks a bunch 07.49.45 Quit doubletake-viple (Client Quit) 07.50.02 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc3-rdng11-0-0-cust229.winn.cable.ntl.com) 07.50.02 # I get the black screen telling me to reset it 07.50.12 # Which U have several times 07.50.18 # And by U I meant I 07.50.30 # But I can't send the damned thing into disk mode 07.50.54 # You shouldn't need it to be in disk mode. Which black screen are you talking about? 07.51.09 # The boot loader screen 07.51.18 # The rockbox bootloader screen? 07.51.21 # It says no partition found 07.51.23 # Yes 07.51.29 # But i followed the instructions precisely 07.51.33 # Minus the disconnecting part 07.51.47 # It was a winpod? 07.51.52 # Or HFS+ formatted? 07.52.42 # Um, I'm not exactly sure. 07.52.50 # Using a Mac or a PC? 07.52.53 # Mac 07.53.06 Join lini [0] (i=pugsley@62.204.144.237) 07.53.17 # Can you try booting into the original firmare? 07.53.36 # The problem here is that my computer won't recognize it 07.53.44 # Unless there's a way to do so without the computer 07.54.06 # Well, the original firmware is still on the ipod, hold menu while booting 07.54.29 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 07.54.41 # Ok, let me try it real quick 07.56.39 # I'm getting nothing 07.56.52 # Only te Apple logo 07.57.39 # Does the rockbox bootloader come up momentarily saying "Loading original firmware..." or something similar? 07.57.44 # no 07.57.46 # Isn't booting the of mapped to the hold switch nowadays? 07.58.01 # Could be, it's been a while since I checked. 07.58.04 Join evilnick [0] (i=evilnick@bb-87-82-21-50.ukonline.co.uk) 07.58.18 # both work, iirc (hold or menu). 07.58.34 # Hold takes me back to the Rockbox boot menu 07.58.48 # Boot loader rather 08.00.30 # I think it migt even be in disk mode 08.02.36 Quit BHSPitLappy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.04.22 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 08.04.56 # zdro: I don't know if there's a mac equivelant, but is it possible that the ipod is being seen by the mac, it's just that the partition table has been corrupted? 08.05.13 # I meant to say mac equivelant of the windows drive manager 08.05.22 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=steve-o@pool-71-96-115-128.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) 08.06.05 Join zdro1 [0] (i=0cd8e37c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3bc620ec9cd19cdd) 08.06.05 Quit zdro ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 08.06.09 # sorry about that 08.06.16 # can you say that gain? 08.06.39 # *again 08.07.03 # Is there some way on a mac to see if a drive is plugged in, even if it doesn't have a partition table? 08.07.35 # I think it would be under disk utility, but again its not being recognized at all 08.08.47 # aliask, if mac is a little like linux, lsusb might be a command. 08.09.30 # zdro1: Try running lsusb from a command prompt while the iPod is plugged in. 08.09.31 Quit axion1 ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 08.10.32 # could you walk me through that? 08.10.48 # 1) type lsusb 08.10.57 # 2) hit "enter" 08.11.11 # 3) report back? 08.11.34 # I think the main part is getting a command prompt up... which unfortunately is something I do not know how to do on a mac. 08.11.36 # Type that in Terminal? 08.11.43 # Ah, yes. Exactly. 08.12.02 # Command not found 08.12.17 # Joy. 08.12.54 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 08.14.26 # Could it be that rockbox is causing the ipod not to be recognized over USB? 08.14.46 # zdro1: The 'disk mode' can't be affected in any way by Rockbox. 08.14.54 # It's a hardware mode, all we do is tell the iPod to reboot into it. 08.15.07 # as long as the ipod says "do not disconnect", the computer should see it. 08.15.28 # zdro1: I think the cause of the problem is that the harddrive has been corrupted in some way, which means that neither rockbox nor the apple firmware can boot. 08.15.28 # It doesn't say that though 08.15.47 # zdro1, what -does- it say? 08.15.48 # I'm assuming my warranty is voided 08.16.05 # Rockbox Boot Loader, Version 1.0 08.16.11 # zdro1: Just a questione: Have you tried restarting your computer, manually restarting the iPod into disk mode, and then plugging it into computer for the first time after booting ONLY once in Disk Mode? 08.16.19 # Ni artition found 08.16.22 # zdro1, then of course the computer can't see it. You need to put the iPod into disk mode. 08.16.54 # He doesn't need to do any of that. He just needs to do the key combo right. 08.17.07 # BHSPitLappy: I didn't know he hadn't even gone into disk mode, yet. 08.18.06 # There had been a case with some older builds where while Rockbox was rebooting into disk mode, the Mac would decide it didn't want USB connections any more, and although that was believed fixed, I thought he might be experiencing something related. 08.18.17 # I kinda assumed the "Are you in disk mode, are you sure?" series of questions had been covered. :) 08.18.46 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B15157.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.22.39 Quit zdro1 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 08.26.20 Join Elderspy [0] (i=Elderspy@c-24-2-102-35.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 08.28.50 # So I've got two questions. First off I've installed Rockbox on my 30gig Ipod Video. I'm trying to Mpegplayer to work but I don't exactly know where to put the files after I've encoded them, thats the first question. The second is how do I get back to my original Ipod firmware without uninstalling Rockbox. I read it in the manual but I can't find it again. 08.28.58 Join _Amblin [0] (n=Osiris@udp124072uds.hawaiiantel.net) 08.29.16 # <_Amblin> Anyone present that works on the e200's build? 08.29.36 # Elderspy, just play mp4's the normal way... there's no good reason to do otherwise right now :P 08.30.16 # Normal way? 08.30.24 # Elderspy, in the apple firmware 08.30.25 Join markun [0] (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 08.30.39 # Thats where one of my problems come in. 08.30.43 # Elderspy, and you reboot the ipod with CENTER+MENU, and then hold play (I think?) at just the right time to get there. 08.30.50 # it's in the manual. 08.31.15 # I thought thats what it was but I can't seem to get the timing right, I thought I had it wrong. 08.32.13 Quit pearldiver (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.34.52 # Menu+Select to reboot 08.34.56 # Then immediately turn on the hold switch. 08.35.06 # Or, instead of the hold switch, you can hold Menu 08.35.10 # Holding Play loads ipodLinux. 08.35.16 # If you have it installed, that is. 08.35.46 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 08.37.20 # I found it, thanks :) 08.37.48 # I guess I was doing it right, I just had gotten impatient and thought it froze. 08.40.56 Quit Stalwart_ (Remote closed the connection) 08.41.31 Join Stalwart_ [0] (n=stalwart@ip-10.154.Home-Lan.fastnet.lv) 08.42.04 Join FujinTakeru [0] (i=4a3d98d4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e7654401be30805b) 08.42.11 # Hello 08.42.25 Join bluebrother [0] (i=ziAdVK5v@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 08.42.31 Quit pondlife (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.42.45 Join Allen [0] (n=Osiris@udp124072uds.hawaiiantel.net) 08.42.50 # I'm having some difficulty installing the Bootloader. 08.43.28 # Hi Fujin, what device are you having issues with? 08.43.35 # 4th Generation iPod 08.43.41 # I forced it into disk mode 08.44.00 # Windows XP is able to recognize it as such, but the ipodpatcher program is not. 08.44.08 # Ah, I am familiar with the e200, but Im clueless when it comes to an iPod, sorry. 08.44.41 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 08.44.47 # I appreciate it nonetheless Allen. 08.44.55 # FujinTakeru: Two questions: What drive letter is your iPod, and are you logged in as an account with administrator privileges? 08.45.05 Nick Allen is now known as Amblin (n=Osiris@udp124072uds.hawaiiantel.net) 08.45.13 # Yes, I have Admin privileges, and the drive letter is H 08.45.44 # And the iPod: Is it an entirely unmodified iPod? You've never installed iPodLinux or anything else? 08.45.59 # No 08.46.46 # One of the tests iPodPatcher uses to determine if a device is an iPod depends on it having certain data in a certain place that can be removed if you've done certain modifications to your iPod. 08.47.24 # I'm not sure what the current solution is to this, though. 08.47.36 # Well, I'm restoring the firmware to see if that remedies it 08.48.00 # FujinTakeru: I believe it's dependent upon an apple MBR 08.49.16 # * FujinTakeru nods 08.49.47 # There's some uncertainty as to whether the Apple restore actually re-creates the Apple MBR, or just freshly creates a valid one that iPodPatcher still won't detect. 08.50.02 # Could a conversion from HFS to FAT32 cause a problem? 08.50.24 # No, it's necessary. 08.50.32 # But, it's expected that you've done it this way: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 08.50.47 # That I know, just wondering if that could cause an error. 08.51.00 # If it's done using the MBRs in our wiki, it should not. 08.51.11 # If it's done some other way, I don't know. 08.51.52 # Of course, I'm a little bit in the dark here too. This is a problem that just recently showed up with the automated iPodPatcher, and it only affects a small group of iPods (those who've done certain mods) and I've only peripherally witnessed a discussion on it 08.51.56 # So I may have some of the details wrong. 08.52.36 # Llorean: there was a person earlier who had the same issue 08.52.38 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-b83a99c6b9cc20a3) 08.52.40 Quit _Amblin (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.52.46 Join Shaid [0] (i=shaid@203-214-27-232.dyn.iinet.net.au) 08.53.00 # scorche: Indeed 08.53.06 # scorche: That's the conversation I peripherally witnessed. :) 08.53.09 # Llorean: ipodpatcher looks for the ASCII art stop sign in the MBR if it's winpod 08.53.09 # ah 08.53.35 # scorche: I was somewhat busy when it was discussed. 08.53.48 # as was i if you couldnt tell ;) 08.53.51 # I know linuxstb put some stuff in to try to detect a Macpod, but I'm not sure how reliable it is 08.54.05 # I'm pretty sure it'll detect, and complain about, a MacPod 08.54.15 # but ipodpatcher should 100% successful it it's got a not Mac MBR 08.54.19 # The problem is that if you've converted it to Winpod by some means where you don't have the stop-sign any more. 08.54.22 # That was the problem 08.54.38 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 08.54.46 # I restored the iPod and now I can load the bootloader 08.54.48 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 08.54.48 # GodEater: No, if you manually create the MBR, rather than copying over the official one, by hand partitioning, you won't necessarily have the stop sign there, so that check will fail. 08.54.49 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 08.54.50 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@84-255-206-8.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) 08.55.21 # Llorean: indeed, that's really what I meant 08.55.31 # :) 08.55.38 # FujinTakeru: It's detecting it now? Good to hear. 08.56.08 # which is why I believe we carry the MBR images, to make sure they're valid as far as ipodpatcher is concerned 08.56.46 # That, and it's the easiest way to walk a Mac user through the HFS+ -> FAT32 conversion, I believe. 08.56.53 # I wonder if linuxstb would include a --I-really-know-what-I'm-doing-yes-this-is-an-ipod flag to ipodpatcher at some point 08.56.58 # Since just reformatting the partition doesn't change what it's marked as. 08.57.00 # :) 08.57.05 # Llorean: did you see anything wrong with my conversation? (other than me not knowing the mac-fdisk equiv to -l) 08.57.11 # GodEater: There has been discussion of a --force flag. 08.57.36 # --force is too easy for the inexperienced to type ;) 08.58.04 # scorche: Don't know what conversation you're talking about. Did I miss something? 08.58.17 # the last one 08.58.21 # a few hours ago 08.58.34 # Oh, I haven't looked back at it. 08.59.02 # with webguest51 ? 08.59.04 # i thought you " peripherally witnessed" it 08.59.07 # Just a little curious, you are all about in your twenties? 08.59.11 # As I said, I was elsewhere. I was doing some work of my own, and I _think_ that was when I was testing some code that may evolve into 'Sansapatcher' 08.59.13 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.59.13 # i am not 08.59.30 # Amblin: I wish ;) 08.59.45 # scorche: That peripheral witnessing was "I was in another window 90% of the time, but linuxstb said some stuff, and since one of the other windows was him having me test things, I ended up reading his lines here too" 08.59.46 # my twenties are rapidly fading into history 08.59.49 # GodEater: i am on the other side of the spectrum though ;) 09.00.02 # hmm 09.00.03 # * Llorean is the definition of 'About in his twenties' 09.00.07 # Llorean: he wasnt talking though... 09.00.09 # bunch of old farts 09.00.11 # I'm halfway through them. 09.00.16 # JdGordon: indeed! 09.00.20 # scorche: Must've been another conversation I peripherally witnessed then. 09.00.22 # Or my memory is failing. 09.00.27 # Llorean: i guess 09.00.31 # Dunno 09.00.49 # * GodEater peers myopically at his walking frame 09.01.16 # Ok, Im 16, and I want to start learning "this stuff", and I was hopping I wouldnt be needing to catch up with a bunch of 14 YO code monkeys :P 09.01.33 # Amblin: well, midkay is the youngest of us 09.01.37 # * LinusN is at the end of his second set of twenties :-P 09.01.44 # hehe 09.01.48 # hehe 09.02.02 # * amiconn isn't much younger than LinusN 09.02.08 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 09.02.10 # my elder brother was a 14yo code monkey once. 09.02.16 # now he's a much older code monkey. 09.02.24 # :) 09.03.06 Quit Stalwart_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.03.16 Join Stalwart_ [0] (n=stalwart@ip-10.154.Home-Lan.fastnet.lv) 09.03.32 # GodEater, Llorean: The "stop sign" is at the start of the firmware partition, not in the MBR. ipodpatcher does check for some magic in the MBR, but I think I'll probably remove that check completely - the other checks it does are enough. 09.03.54 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B15157.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.03.55 # linuxstb: you know, as soon as I typed that I had a nagging feeling I was wrong 09.03.57 # linuxstb: did you see the conversation with webguest51? 09.04.00 # linuxstb_: Alright. I knew the problem was the MBR, I didn't know what it was checking for. 09.04.06 # 0x55 0xaa magic right ? 09.04.15 # No, an "iPod" string. 09.04.21 # (as well as 0x55 0xaa) 09.04.27 # ooh must have missed that in my ipod MBR 09.04.29 # The 0x55 0xaa identifies it as a DOS partition table. 09.04.50 # * GodEater has no life and goes to look 09.04.55 # * scorche adds the underscore to his previously referenced inquiry 09.04.56 # scorche: I'm just reading the logs now... 09.05.02 # linuxstb_: Maybe check for the MBR magic, and if it's not there "[WARNING] MBR Magic not present, device is a previously modified iPod" but allow continuing the install, or something? 09.05.47 # Llorean: the last thing we want is "i formatted my C disk by mistake" 09.05.53 # grrr 09.06.08 # People don't stop starting new ml threads by replying to an old one :\ 09.06.15 # LinusN: Linuxstb says the rest of the checks should be enough, which is likely true since there's a lot of ways to double check if it's an iPod. 09.06.17 # amiconn: people are morons 09.06.26 # Llorean: i see 09.07.48 # LinusN: I doubt many computer hard disks have a main firmware image to move while inserting the bootloader. ;) 09.07.57 # There shouldn't be any formatting going on with ipodpatcher anyway. :) 09.07.59 # Llorean: :-) 09.08.54 # LinusN: I wouldn't remove any checks if I thought they risked a user's main disks. The extra MBR magic is one of many checks ipodpatcher does, and I think it can go. 09.09.02 # good 09.09.24 Quit aliask ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/2007021917]") 09.10.33 # ipodpatcher has full "macpod" support as well - it can write bootloaders to macpods (I added it for IPL users to use). But it always gives a large "Rockbox will not work" warning when dealing with macpods. 09.10.51 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m180.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 09.11.41 # rockbox wont run on a macpod purely because it can't read the hfs+ partitions? 09.12.43 Part Elderspy 09.12.51 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.13.29 # Shaid: Yes. 09.13.30 # linuxstb: A quick question. I know we all hate estimating release dates, etc. But do you think a fully functional tool for Sansas is a decent amount of time away, or a fairly short one? Basically, do you have much time to put into it. 09.14.11 # linuxstb_: I ask this because what you had me test could already probably be useful in the install process, since it would allow us to give users a way to extract their own original firmware file, rather than having to find somewhere to download it from, even if we do have a link to a known good download location. 09.14.20 # I'm hoping it will be a very short time away, but that assumes I'm not distracted with real work/life. 09.14.24 # Gotcha 09.14.26 # That's fine then 09.14.57 # If it looks like you're getting busy though, you might consider allowing use of what you had me try. 09.15.08 Quit darkless ("Leaving") 09.15.16 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 09.15.17 # I've also added decryption now - so it's writing an "OF.bin" file instead of a .mi4. 09.15.59 # Ah, nice. 09.16.44 # Are the decrypted files just valid MI4s marked as all plaintext (IE: the built in firmware upgrade process should still accept them?) 09.16.49 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f8742b46af1b05f0) 09.18.02 Join perplexity [0] (n=joust@83.111.189.19) 09.18.27 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.36.123) 09.18.38 # * petur encountered the recently fixed bass distortion also on his h380 :/ 09.19.17 # volume went up a lot 09.20.09 # linuxstb_: Do you think it's better to have decryption in the bootloader, so that that can natively run .mi4 files? 09.21.13 # dan_a: Our bootoader can currently boot the original firmware faster than an unmodified Sansa. I kinda like that. 09.21.28 Quit voltagex () 09.22.03 # dan_a: DId you read the discussion yesterday? 09.22.08 # Llorean: I know, but if the decryption was in the bootloader, then H10 users wouldn't have to do any conversion 09.22.19 # linuxstb_: Not yet 09.22.25 # dan_a: Nor would the Sansa ones. 09.22.48 # dan_a: I suppose you wouldn't lose anything allowing it to decrypt. 09.23.17 # Llorean: Sansa people have to get the mi4 from somewhere (either the hidden partition or download it) - for H10 it is in the System/ folder already 09.23.41 # Basically, the idea is that a "sansapatcher" tool would directly modify the firmware in the hidden second partition which is visible in normal UMS mode. It would write the RB bootloader there, and store an unencrypted version of the original firmware in the unused space after the bootloader. 09.24.05 # dan_a: Well, with luck we Sansa people won't have to get it from anywhere soon, it'll be readable from the firmware partition (which would require decrypting in the bootloader to work nicely) 09.24.20 # Or rewriting of a decrypted one. 09.24.32 # But I do see the advantage of decryption in bootloader for H10 users, at the very least. 09.27.32 # linuxstb_: Sounds brilliant 09.28.49 Quit midgey () 09.34.06 Join B4gder [0] (n=daniel@100.78.227.87.static.s-cy.siw.siwnet.net) 09.34.17 # linuxstb_: That’s an awesome idea for the sansapatcher tool 09.34.45 # linuxstb_: It would also probably get around the problems with E200R bootloader modification 09.34.45 Quit FujinTakeru ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 09.34.55 # merwin: It won't work for Rs 09.35.02 # merwin: They don't have the hidden partition. 09.35.19 Join heike [0] (n=heike@p5087F4C0.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.35.28 # hi 09.35.54 Quit heike (Client Quit) 09.37.33 # Llorean: Are you sure about that? When i plug in my R, i get 2 drives that show up 09.37.45 # merwin: Yes, the device, and the MicroSD slot 09.37.51 # Llorean: Oh, is that what it is? 09.37.56 # merwin: It's called a "hidden" partition, because it won't show up even when it's there. 09.38.03 # Llorean: oh. good point 09.38.15 # But yeah, the second drive is the MicroSD slot. It shows up if you're in MSC mode 09.38.48 # Llorean: I wonder if more than just the bootloader needs to be changed to get the R to go to the E200 09.39.19 # Llorean: since you can go from E200 to E200R, but can’t go back 09.39.29 Join qwx [0] (n=qwm@h162n1fls34o1010.telia.com) 09.39.45 Join safetydan [0] (n=dan@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 09.40.19 # when you try the e200 BL on the R model, what happens then? 09.40.46 # B4gder: I modified that modified bootloader to display a different welcom string... 09.41.11 # B4gder: when using e200tool recovery, if i hold down REC while it does that initial boot after flashing, it will show the modified string 09.41.22 # B4gder: However, any subsequent boots will show a non-modified one 09.41.32 # B4gder: I haven’t found a way to get a different bootloader to ‘stick’ 09.41.47 Join Entasis [0] (n=Jarred@ppp1-104.lns10.adl2.internode.on.net) 09.42.11 # there's a potential risk that the BL simply can't be replaced... 09.42.30 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B95F6E.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.42.41 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 09.42.44 # B4gder: It would have to be implemented in software, because you can go from E200 to E200R... just can’t go back from it 09.43.28 # no need to explain that to me you know 09.43.36 # there is a pre-bootloader 09.43.53 # can that be replaced? 09.43.56 # and the fact that the R models can't upgrade BL using the normal means is an indication as well 09.44.46 # merwin: the pre-BL might be replacable but if it is, we haven't found out how 09.44.52 # k 09.45.16 # all this e200tool trickery is based on knowledge on how the e200 models work 09.45.24 # the R ones simply aren't identical 09.46.12 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-247-129.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 09.51.18 # Does that mean that my Sansa is stuck as an E200R? 09.53.27 # hey guys, did anyone have time to look over FS#6770 ? 09.53.36 # dan_a: that would really suck 09.53.38 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.53.40 # dan_a: no, MrH got it back just fine 09.53.52 # B4gder: How did he do that? 09.54.08 # B4gder: Excellent 09.54.28 # e200tool 09.54.49 # btw, e200tool does not copy anything to the nand only to ram 09.55.10 # B4gder: So how do you update the bootloader in nand via e200tool? 09.55.26 # so to get things to stick one need to pull the usb 09.56.08 # pull it at what point? 09.56.37 # after you've used e200tool recover 09.56.51 # * dan_a goes to work 09.57.38 # after you use e200tool recover, it boots the device... pull it after the device boots? 09.57.54 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.58.35 Join voltagex [0] (n=voltagex@124-254-126-107-dsl.ispone.net.au) 09.58.48 # petur, are you still around? 09.59.36 # petur encountered the recently fixed bass distortion also on his h380 :/ <----, a) what is a h380, and b) what's been fixed? 10.00.01 # h380 sounds like a h340 with a replaced hdd 10.00.26 # b) the volume increased with the bass setting 10.01.38 # so there's no more distortion from bass set to 24? 10.02.14 # voltagex: The bug only existed for a couple days. 10.02.29 # voltagex: But setting bass to +24, when your volume is over -24, is likely to cause distortion. 10.02.45 # Llorean: I've always had bass distortion on a few select songs 10.03.18 # talking about replacing things in h3x0s, I neeeeed someone to help me replace the battery with a 3rd party one 10.03.22 # strange question: is it possible to turn a winpod into a macpod? 10.03.51 # Shaid: i don't see why it wouldn't be 10.03.52 # Shaid: you mean an iPod formatted for use on Win to one for use on Mac? 10.03.55 # voltagex: What is the highest gain in those songs, internally? If they go over 0, then there's a high chance of distortion. 10.04.06 # Llorean: waaaaaaaay over 10.04.16 # wonder if a simple restore under a mac itunes'd do it. 10.04.31 # Shaid: back up your music if you can, first 10.04.40 # eh, this is my old ipod 10.04.50 # I don't use it for anything important. 10.05.06 # voltagex: Well, then that's your problem. If you have songs that go over 0dB internally, and then you're adding extra bass to that, you should _expect_ distortion. 10.05.12 # ok, go for the restore/format using Disk Utility 10.05.28 # Llorean: I've been too lazy to sort out putting replaygain on my collection 10.05.34 # Yeah, I've got to get osx going first. :P 10.05.42 # Somehow I think if you have bass set at +24, replaygain is not the solution for you. 10.05.47 Quit kaaloo (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 10.05.53 # Any rockboxers in NSW at the moment? 10.06.07 # Llorean: lol, I'm a basshead 10.07.27 # linuxstb: just reading the logs. mi4 decryption in the bootloader would be nice.but keep it as an option so that people who want to cut down boot time can just use an already encrypted mi4 10.07.48 # it would be possible to determine whether decryption is required from the mi4 header 10.08.10 # already *decrypted mi4 10.08.11 # index, mi4 header index 0x18 10.08.16 # indeed even 10.08.34 # B4gder: whoa, the discussion just got complicated 10.08.40 # * B4gder learns his mi4 header details by heart ;-) 10.09.10 Join thewho [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-87f257cf9dfa1aca) 10.09.38 # hehe. Have you seen http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6813? It uses goto! Haven't seen it for ages. 10.10.35 # thewho: any reason it shouldn't be used, if it solves the problem? 10.11.25 # I believe that can be achieved without goto quite easily 10.11.33 # * barrywardell has to check B4gder's site every time for the mi4 header details 10.12.01 # to be honest, I mostly do that too 10.12.07 # I need some detailed instructions on replacing the H340 battery with a new one. (Hopefully with more juice) 10.12.08 # voltagex: actually, I have nothing against it. Just memories... 10.12.18 # thewho: there is plenty of goto in the rockbox code 10.12.39 # B4gder: what do you do? 10.12.50 # 1: print "Idiot" 2: goto 1 10.12.52 # I read my own mi4 pages for the mi4 info 10.13.14 # IMHO, goto, if used properly, is a very useful statement. 10.13.19 Quit SaLoMoN ("Serverwechsel") 10.13.55 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 10.13.59 # thewho: indeed, avoiding the goto statement often leads to more complicated code 10.14.50 # LinusN: but in a lot of cases the oposite is true as well I think 10.14.54 # bluebrother: I looked into the patch more deeply. How would you achieve the same without repeating a line twice? 10.15.35 # you could break; the loop and if(btn) roll_credits(); 10.15.38 # wow nice http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-replace-the-battery-in-your-iriver-h320-or-h340 10.17.25 Join lachlan [0] (n=chatzill@c58-108-231-146.fitzg1.qld.optusnet.com.au) 10.18.02 # or move the backlight timeout change to after the for loop and just regularly turn on the backlight in the loop 10.20.08 # bluebrother: yes, but that would be less natural. The code wouldn't look like what you think. 10.20.53 # depens on what you consider "natural" 10.21.02 Join Shaid` [0] (i=shaid@203-214-93-44.dyn.iinet.net.au) 10.21.09 # bluebrother: now you have fallen into the common "avoid goto" trap, by trying to find ways to avoid it, but the question is "why?" 10.21.18 # BTW: I find the parameter semantics of backlight_set_timeout ugly. Why is it an index in some array and not the time in msec? Just to make it usable with menu code? 10.21.35 # LinusN: amen 10.21.53 # I did? I just feel other solutions to be more natural, at least to me ;-) 10.22.58 # thewho: yes, the table index thing is for the settings menu 10.23.42 # thewho: however, it could probably be solved differently nowadays 10.24.38 # LinusN: that reminds me about a discussion we once had here about the need to change the menu API. That it could/should get a set of pairs "text/value" and find out the right index internally. 10.25.09 # well, we don't need an index 10.26.11 # LinusN: even better. But how we'd do it then? 10.26.57 # I think the settings menu should offer a list of different backlight settings, but the backlight code in firmware/ should just take a number of seconds 10.27.10 # 0 would be 'Off' and -1 would be 'On' 10.27.18 # amiconn: exactly 10.27.35 # the table should be in the application layer 10.27.50 # -1 being 'On' can then even be handled without having a special case, by interpreting it as unsigned 10.28.22 # 4294967295 seconds isn't going to time out soon ;) 10.29.20 # * Llorean is now tempted to try to arrange to have his Nano plugged in and on for 136 years. 10.29.39 Join webguest45 [0] (i=3ea9db6b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-139d93e329097f5e) 10.29.40 # * hachi casts amiconn to an unsigned long 10.29.53 # hah... svn has an alias for annotate called "praise" 10.30.13 # safetydan: Yes, as well as 'blame' 10.30.20 # guess someone object to it being called blame 10.30.26 # hi all! what ipods is rockbox supporting? 10.30.41 # webguest45: http://www.rockbox.org 10.31.09 # yeah, where? 10.31.14 # clean your glasses 10.31.15 # webguest45: On the front page... 10.32.02 # :P 10.32.23 # please dont be sarcastic.. i always check releases first 10.32.34 # thats where it was before anyways.. 10.32.41 # :-) 10.33.29 # barrywardell: I've got no plans to personally add mi4 decryption to the bootloader - but it will probably need to read "plaintext" mi4s. However, I've reimplemented the decryption routine in sansapatcher, so that implementation can be copied into the bootloader if someone wished. However, it's probably worthwhile searching for an ARM implementation of TEA. 10.34.19 # webguest45: out of curiosity, what could be the reason that you missed that info on the front page? did you expect it to be somewhere else? 10.34.44 # webguest45: should we have it somewhere else? 10.35.00 # OK, I'll be able to add that myself fairly easily in that case 10.35.13 # he's proxying http through `grep -vi ipod` ? 10.35.43 # don't be silly, you have to strip the html out first 10.35.58 # :P 10.36.03 # come on, i'm serious here 10.36.39 # well, webguest did say that they were expecting it to be on 'releases' and that they thought it used to be there 10.36.44 # this is not the first time someone didn't read the front page 10.36.50 # http://cgi.ebay.de/Apple-iPod-Video-30-GB-Schwarz-Rechnung-mit-MwSt_W0QQitemZ290090291006QQcategoryZ171QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem will that do rockbox? 10.37.05 # webguest45: yes 10.37.38 # barrywardell: I think it would make sense for everything on the H10/Sansa to be in mi4 files, including the main "rockbox.mi4". So Rolo would simply need to recognise the .mi4 extension, and sansapatcher would only need to deal with mi4 as well. 10.37.55 # G5 video 30gb only right? 10.38.02 # And 60GB. 10.38.06 # actually, i think a separate menu entry, "supported devices" would be helpful 10.38.10 # hmmm. yes, that would work 10.38.31 # the only problem would be maybe people using sansa mi4's on H10s and vice versa 10.39.06 # well LinusN it's obvious 10.39.09 # the logo is too big 10.39.10 # http://feng-gui.com/files/heatmaps/897deb5c-80dc-44b1-a2fc-0071e4047ec5.png 10.39.12 # :P 10.39.14 # guys! do you know what kind of video this g5 video would need to play it? can it play avi? 10.39.14 Quit Shaid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.39.35 Join Shaid [0] (i=shaid@203-214-125-169.dyn.iinet.net.au) 10.40.05 # linuxstb: is there a way we can keep the model check in the mi4 format? 10.40.37 # DataGhost: now that was an interesting image 10.41.06 Join webguest83 [0] (i=c023111e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6e26a00324540707) 10.42.44 # barrywardell: We could possibly add an extra field at the end of the mi4 header, but we would obviously need to test if the mi4 bootloaders are happy with that. 10.43.09 Quit Shaid` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.44.04 # could you guys tell me how can i distinquish 5G 30GB from 6G 30GB? 10.44.09 # DataGhost: i believe the info on the front page is largely ignored, because people generally don 10.44.19 # 't expect any useful information there 10.44.24 # heh 10.44.35 Nick Stalwart_ is now known as Stalwart (n=stalwart@ip-10.154.Home-Lan.fastnet.lv) 10.44.44 # they expect the usual "about us" blabla 10.45.31 # i believe we should move the table to a Wiki page and link to it from the front page 10.46.06 # * B4gder installed Rockbox on an ipod video for the first time just now 10.46.13 # woo 10.46.19 # smooth process indeed 10.46.56 # meh... removing the logo at the top just draws more attention to the menu :P 10.47.09 Quit webguest45 ("CGI:IRC") 10.48.17 # linuxstb: I'll try that out later today and let you know if it works 10.49.14 # B4gder: Out of curiosity, you mentioned that to get the new bootloader into the NAND, you pull the usb cable after the e200tool recover process. The e200 boots immediately after the e200tool recover process. At what point do you pull it? Before or after it boots? 10.50.52 # barrywardell: Probably just the MODEL_NUMBER value from the config-xxx.h file would be enough - e.g. in the last byte (0x1ff) of the 512-byte header. tools/scramble would need to be modified to add it there when creating the bootloader.mi4 and rockbox.mi4 files. 10.51.03 Join hannesd__ [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 10.51.33 # yes, that's exactly what I was thinking 10.51.45 # i'm trying to figure out tools/mi4.c right now 10.51.58 # merwin: it isn't supposed to reboot, afaik 10.53.02 # * amiconn doesn't like the model number approach anymore 10.53.23 # There are in fact 2 model numbers, one for the bootloader and one for the core 10.53.23 # B4gder: If you use e200tool write, it won’t reboot. If you use e200tool recover, it will reboot 10.53.27 # ...which aren't related 10.53.38 # barrywardell: I think you just need to do "outbuf[0x1ff] = MODEL_NUMBER;" in the mi4_encode() function - somewhere after the memset() that clears outbuf, but before the CRC is calculated. 10.53.49 # The 4-character id string is a better idea imo 10.54.08 # can you still buy macpods? 10.54.14 # or do they all come as fat32 now? 10.54.20 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 10.56.05 # amiconn: model name is already used in the current SVN bootloader. I'll use that instead 10.56.22 # Sounds good to me. 10.56.57 # barrywardell: The MODEL_NAME #define is a long string, not the 4-char id. 10.57.11 # actually, it's only displayed. the model number is still used for the actual checking 10.58.39 # ok, i'll just go with MODEL_NUMBER for my test for now. we can change to a 4char model id later if we want 10.58.44 # and if it works 11.02.16 # linuxstb: my H10 accepted it :) 11.06.41 Quit hannesd (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.07.43 # barrywardell: Nice. Can you try a Sansa? 11.07.54 Quit thewho ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 11.08.08 # The only problem if we switch to a "rockbox.mi4" of course is that we're forcing everyone to do bootloader upgrades. 11.09.06 # Has anyone tried replacing the main Sansa bootloader (BL_*) with the Rockbox bootloader? 11.09.40 # linuxstb: not that I know of 11.09.54 # I figure it might introduce some initialisation problems 11.10.09 # if we happen to rely on some inits done by the BL 11.10.09 # I'm sure it will. But I'm guessing it's a safe experiment? 11.10.15 # yes, should be safe 11.10.49 # is there a special format for the Sansa BL? 11.10.49 Quit barrywardell () 11.11.00 # Odd time to quit... 11.11.09 # hehe 11.11.16 # hey DataGhost, have you entirely stopped working on 80GB support, or are you still plotting to finish it up? 11.11.18 # he was afraid of the answer I guess ;-) 11.11.26 # Or his boss walked in... 11.11.33 # or his wife 11.11.52 # "yes darling, I am still vaccuming in here" 11.12.05 # hehe. 11.12.31 # But is the answer to his question "no" ? i.e. it's just a raw binary image? 11.12.39 # yes 11.12.50 # yes its just a raw image 11.12.55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.14.32 # B4gder: What are the DSA routines in mi4code for? Do I need to worry about implementing them in sansapatcher? 11.15.23 # they're there to enable DSA signing 11.15.31 # but we dummy-sign everything 11.15.54 # using a real signature also requires the BL to be patched to allow that signature 11.16.16 # I've found the reference implementation of the tea_decrypt() function (public domain) which I've adapted for use in sansapatcher, so that part's working. Am I right in thinking that I need to try decrypting with both the sansa and sansa_gh keys? 11.17.09 # yes 11.17.19 # the gh is the updated keys for more recent firmware versions 11.17.28 # * JdGordon wishes he had his sansa already so it could play guinee pig for linuxstb 11.17.41 # assuming your still needing someone to risk theirs? 11.17.43 # the rhapsody key is for the R models 11.18.07 # JdGordon: Llorean seems happy to test. I assume your Sansa is due "any day now"? 11.18.20 # yeah 11.23.22 Quit safetydan ("Ex-Chat") 11.25.55 Quit atsea- (Remote closed the connection) 11.26.38 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@m186.net81-67-162.noos.fr) 11.27.40 Part kaaloo 11.35.57 Join nls [0] (n=nils@nl104-202-175.student.uu.se) 11.40.03 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b9a4a.ucd.ie) 11.40.36 # lachlan someone else is already working on it and I don't really have the time to figure it all out 11.41.34 # DataGhost: dang=( I got all excited when I saw the progress you made, then hurled my shitty ipod accross the room when you said you weren't going to do anymore 11.42.03 Join atsea- [0] (i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-4dc9c7e8af54b00d) 11.42.03 # I wouldn't really call it progress to be honest :P 11.42.07 # :-) 11.42.26 # I can already see the bugreports denying that 11.42.39 # 'regression bug! rockbox crashes after 30 seconds again!' 11.43.28 # oh and lachlan I forgot to test/mention that when you go more than 2 levels deep in the file browser 11.43.33 # the files will have names like (*@#^$^&*@#^* 11.43.55 # bummer, my files are all three levels deep 11.44.12 # and many of them are longer then 30 seconds! 11.44.12 # iPod_Control/Music/F00/... :P 11.44.20 # oh don't worry 11.44.29 # when you try to open an mp3 it just crashes instantly 11.44.29 # no, all my music is in vorbis 11.44.37 # same with ogg probably 11.45.01 # i'm still glad i didn't find a 60G ipod at the time, though, because i'm at 61G of music now 11.45.07 # all this due to filesystem? 11.45.11 # zounds 11.45.26 # hope hfs+ support wont give me this much trouble. 11.45.38 # hfs+ support is no problem at all. 11.45.50 # it's a simple matter of programming 11.45.52 # it's the 80GB harddrive which is the problem actually 11.46.04 # you'll need buffers twice as big 11.46.05 # DataGhost: depends on your point of view :P 11.46.09 # and the caching needs to be adjusted etc 11.46.14 # * linuxstb clarifies that hfs+ support isn't a problem because Rockbox doesn't support hfs+ 11.46.18 # sneakums hm? 11.46.33 # linuxstb: I'm contemplating writing hfs+ support for it. 11.46.47 # that's why I've been wondering how to make my 4g a macpod 11.46.53 # DataGhost: in terms of what the problem is 11.47.18 # Shaid: I think the only way is to restore it using itunes on a Mac. 11.47.24 # yeah 11.47.26 # DataGhost: wow, maybe I should just buy a gigabeat 11.47.38 # which for me involves digging out a certain osx86 disc I've got around here somewhere... 11.47.42 # * Shaid looks innocent 11.47.44 # but 40gb is so very pitiful 11.47.49 # * linuxstb received a gigabeat in the post this morning 11.48.01 # markun: What type of hdd does the gigabeat use? Old-style connector or zif? 11.48.07 # lachlan 2*40 = 80 11.48.08 # linuxstb: sorry, got d/c. putting the model number in works fine on sansa too 11.48.09 # hint :P 11.48.28 # * nls got new cans today an can once again enjoy rockbox in stereo :-) 11.48.36 # haha i don't have the skills or the money to perform surgery on an mp3 players 11.48.44 # barrywardell: Good. Will you be committing changes to scramble? 11.48.44 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@81.168.47.31) 11.48.47 # i'm stuck with what I get 11.48.48 # I just meant 'buy 2 gigabeats' 11.49.02 # just got the best spam ever. YOUR MAIL HAVE WON THE YAHOO /MSN INC AND THE MICROSOFT WINDOWS LOTTERY 11.49.03 # amiconn: old-style 11.49.03 # half my collection on each, one in each pocket? 11.49.06 # you'll have double battery life 11.49.07 # :P 11.49.12 # amiconn: the S series uses the ZIF connector 11.49.28 # barrywardell: Maybe some more information would be useful there as well - e.g. something like "RBOS" for main Rockbox, and "RBBL" for a Rockbox bootloader. 11.49.30 # haha can't believe i never thought of it, its all becoming so clear now 11.49.31 # would it be possible to have a mini-ATA to ZIF adapter? 11.49.54 # linuxstb: I need to do a little more first. scramble will need to be adjusted to take a model number as well as -mi4v3 11.50.16 Quit Stalwart (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.50.19 # linuxstb: sounds good. I'll add that too 11.52.17 # DataGhost: you said that 80GB will need buffers twice as big... do you think thats a fixable problem, or will RB be like that indefinately? 11.52.41 # ofcourse it's fixable 11.54.08 Quit voltagex () 11.54.19 # thank god 11.54.27 # you gave me a bit of a fright there 11.54.41 # lachlan: supporting the 80gb is not really a big problem 11.55.03 # the problem is how to do it without breaking the other rockbox platforms 11.55.13 # LinusN: excellant. I suppose I will have to learn me some patience in the mean time then. 11.55.35 # markun: That's good. So an F40 or X40 could be upgraded to 80GB without worrying about sector sizes 11.55.49 # I remember reading that you intended to impliment a method that would be logical, but would take a long time to write 11.55.53 # The MK8007GAH works out of the box with rockbox svn 11.55.57 # I guess that is the ultimate goal? 11.56.20 # lachlan: the goal is to modify the FAT driver so it works on all models 11.56.33 # ok 11.56.43 # amiconn: ah, what's so different about the ZIF connector? 11.57.58 # The MK8009GAH (zif connector) is what the ipod video 80GB uses. And this hdd has those large physical sector... 11.58.02 # s 11.58.34 # ah, ok 11.58.42 # *perhas* it's just a problem of the one in the ipod though (oem model with custom firmware) 12.00.11 # jeff garzik (linux sata dude) claimed recently that the 1k sector drives he has do read-modify-write for 512-byte IOs themselves 12.01.03 # That's what I would expect... but the drive in the ipod does not 12.01.16 # indeed 12.01.16 # such a pain 12.01.28 # http://mid.gmane.org/45F56318.9030505@garzik.org <-- if anyone's interested 12.02.18 Quit lukaswayne9 ("Ex-Chat") 12.03.49 Quit perplexity (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.05.28 Quit cf-danky (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.09.24 # Linus: how come and there is no patch with the fat driver from ipl to run rockbox on ipod 5.5g 80GB? 12.09.44 # from ipl? 12.09.53 # they have a completely different fat implementation 12.10.42 # ah then forget what I said, but even then hackish support just for 5.5g via patch would be nice 12.12.06 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 12.12.15 # XavierGr: Anyone who wants to create a hackish patch for unsupported builds is welcome to. 12.12.30 # clearly there aren't that many eager 5.5 users 12.12.50 # who think the same way 12.12.51 Quit merwin (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.18.13 Quit Ribs ("eh eh ehhhh!") 12.21.23 Quit webguest83 ("CGI:IRC") 12.22.12 Join w1ll14m [0] (n=w1ll14m@84-104-81-208.cable.quicknet.nl) 12.23.11 Join Ribs [0] (n=ribs@91.84.8.218) 12.23.57 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 12.25.09 Quit aliask ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/2007021917]") 12.25.43 Quit lachlan ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/0000000000]") 12.26.01 Quit nls (Remote closed the connection) 12.26.19 Join nls [0] (n=nils@nl104-202-175.student.uu.se) 12.33.18 Join Stalwart [0] (n=stalwart@ip-10.154.Home-Lan.fastnet.lv) 12.36.44 # nls: the lang-cleanup patch has gotten out of sync with the conversion of the recording menu (mostly I think) - fixing it is over my head I'm afraid... 12.41.01 Join perplexity [0] (i=heh12464@dxb-as84568.alshamil.net.ae) 12.41.46 # you've gotta love sound cards swapping device names all the time with linux... 12.42.41 # pixelma: ok, I'll fix it soon, did you make any changes? 12.44.35 # nls: I made quite a few changes to english.lang and was able to set a few of the new "categories" up in my features.txt (not all yet but I think it's possible) 12.47.15 # pixelma: ok, would you prefer that I sync the version on the tracker or include your changes? 12.49.21 # nls: how much do you expect to gain in binsize with this patch ? 12.51.52 # Nico_P: iirc it gains about 2k on the recorder build I use for testing, can't remember which recorder it is tho 12.52.31 # nls: as my changes are somewhat incomplete... maybe syncing the current tracker version is better for now 12.53.21 # Nico_P: but the more important gain will be from the target specific voice files which will only include clips that are actually used and will hopefully decrease enough so that the big voice improvement patch can be comitted :-) 12.53.27 # pixelma: ok, wil do 12.53.35 # nls: nice 12.53.36 # thank you! :) 12.54.23 Quit Shaid (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.54.24 # nls: is the genlang.pl bug the only think keeping you from committing ? 12.54.57 # nls: are you talking about the voice patch that lets splashes talk? 12.55.06 # Nico_P: no, we need to add target specific headers to the .lng and voice files, but that is avout it 12.55.33 # pixelma: yes, it increases voice file size by 10% i think 12.58.36 # nls: Improving voice requires per-target voice files not just because of pure size 12.59.01 # There are a lot of places where voicing is possible on swcodec, but not on hwcodec 12.59.39 # amiconn: ah, ok, do you have any plan for the header stuff or should I just basically copy it from the plugins? 13.00.10 # I have some ideas. The plugin and codec headers will change a bit as well 13.01.48 # does anyone know the difference between # and ## prefixed channels on freenode ? 13.01.57 # I'm searching their site, but can't find an explanation 13.02.10 # ## is busy official ones or something 13.03.38 Join Obsys [0] (n=chatzill@p12021-ipcd01-1hon.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp) 13.04.28 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54965a72.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.05.07 # hmm... why is ist "HAS_BUTTON_HOLD" not "HAVE"? 13.05.18 # s/ist/it 13.05.40 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 13.06.55 # "HAS" is third-person singular, "HAVE" is first-person singular or third-person plural 13.06.57 # iirc there is one or two other HAS instead of HAVE s 13.07.14 # confusion abounds :) 13.07.42 # idnar: oh thanks... didn't know that ;P 13.07.57 # linuxstb: I have a patch ready - http://pastebin.ca/394518 13.08.08 # linuxstb: no changes to the bootloader yet 13.08.11 # bluebrother: hows the plgins organising patch going? 13.10.09 Join datachild` [0] (n=datachil@217-208-144-87-no75.tbcn.telia.com) 13.10.26 # oh and while at it... there is the string "Keylock is ON" - to save a few chars for the Player someone made it "Key Lock ON" - shouldn't be the latter "Keylock ON" too? What do native speakers say? 13.10.50 # it should be key lock 13.11.13 # or this way around 13.11.26 # at least if we're going for proper english 13.11.28 # to save 4 bytes?? 13.11.32 # "Keylock" is quite common 13.11.40 # JdGordon: to fit on the display I think 13.11.42 # or "Key locked"? 13.11.43 # Keylock on works better tho 13.12.00 # keys rather then 13.12.08 # "Keyboard imput obstruction enabled" works best :p 13.12.14 # input* 13.12.57 # *shrug* 13.13.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.13.15 # the ordinary way of compounding words in english is writing them "word1 word2" 13.13.25 # not "word1word2" like in some other languages 13.13.31 # like finnish :) 13.13.36 # and norwegian 13.13.36 # keylock has become an english word... 13.13.43 # and german 13.13.48 # JdGordon: then it's ok 13.13.54 # or swedish but people here don't really understand that :-) 13.13.56 # JdGordon: though i don't see any dictionaries listing it :> 13.13.58 # or Word1sWord2 13.14.00 # here = in sweden 13.14.01 # nls: same here... 13.14.10 # preglow: and dutch, but I just thought finnish was a more extreme example 13.14.13 # compound words in common usage usually get glommed together 13.14.20 # * LinusN is a proud member of skrivihop.nu 13.14.26 # possibly with a hyphen between them 13.14.35 # idnar: yes, like bootloader 13.14.45 # playlist 13.14.54 # keyboard 13.14.54 # LinusN: which is shutting down? :> 13.14.55 # LinusN: :) 13.15.32 # preglow: they have buried the hatch and are no longer accepting new members 13.15.38 # ah, they too have reached my conclusion 13.16.08 # few people care about doing things properly 13.16.14 # far too few 13.16.18 # language least of all 13.16.24 # most people write like swine around here 13.16.31 # same here (in Germany) 13.16.40 # ind33d :-) 13.16.45 # so it's a global phenomenon, huuray 13.16.47 # hooray... 13.16.50 # :-) 13.17.03 # i've noticed english people are writing like swine these days too, so it's all good 13.17.34 # is it the global warming that makes compound words separate all over? 13.18.13 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484C099.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 13.18.15 # most decidedly 13.18.33 # I'll call Al Gore and ask 13.18.54 # yeah you know everything expands when getting warmer... 13.18.54 # haha 13.19.07 # I HAVE RIDDEN THE MIGHTY MOON WORM 13.19.15 # for those who watched futurama... 13.19.16 # haha 13.19.23 # * JdGordon watched that ep yesterday 13.19.51 # funniest appearance by a politician ever 13.21.57 Join pearldiver [0] (n=say@cpe-72-225-231-80.nyc.res.rr.com) 13.23.02 # jhMikeS: ok, well its really a bug :p no idea whats causing the crash tho... ill hopefully investigate tomorow, the quick look I gave it now looks fine.. but im too damn tired to figure it out 13.23.42 # JdGordon: what is it? 13.24.09 # exiting the recording menu from the fm screen crashes 13.24.40 # that menu isnt in the sim so its a pita to debug :( 13.26.06 # hmm... It worked then didnt.. and i heard the disk clunk... not sure why the disc activity would change anything.. 13.26.41 Join OgMaciel [0] (n=omaciel@ubuntu/member/gnukemist) 13.27.41 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@avc146.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 13.29.09 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 13.30.27 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 13.30.44 # barrywardell: Patch looks good, but I thought we had decided on the four-character model id, rather than the number? 13.30.52 Quit B4gder ("Time to say moo") 13.31.12 # already with the mooing 13.31.16 # linuxstb: oh yeah, I can change it to that instead 13.32.59 # most caches are write-back, no? 13.33.36 # bah...JdGordon left 13.34.03 # linuxstb: what about cases where the model id is more than 4 chars, eg e200r? 13.34.48 # should I just make it an 8 char model id? 13.37.16 Join B4gder [0] (n=daniel@100.78.227.87.static.s-cy.siw.siwnet.net) 13.37.26 Quit Thundercloud (Connection timed out) 13.38.14 Quit GodEater ("got the munchies") 13.38.38 # barrywardell: I think just shortening it to e20r for example will be fine. It's only an internal ID, so it just needs to be unique, not recognisable to humans. 13.38.38 Join thewho [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0991fa33ecd7756d) 13.38.47 # ok 13.39.24 # LinusN: you've said that supporting 80GB hdds wouldn't be a problem. Why not move the FAT driver to the target tree then? 13.39.51 # thewho: You mean have two different FAT drivers? 13.40.01 # thewho: we don't want duplicate code 13.40.04 # that's a possible solution, but the FAT driver is really something we would rather not fork 13.40.22 # linuxstb: yes. Each one is trimmed for the special HW. 13.40.36 # thewho: Then the other two answers apply... 13.41.14 Join Moos [0] (i=Moos@m135.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 13.41.19 Quit datachild (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.41.40 # linuxstb: only parts that are really different would be split. If that's possible of course, i.e. if the FAT driver is not a monolith. 13.41.48 # I'd just fork it, get it working, and then have two working drivers to better visualize a good way to merge them. 13.42.39 # jhMikeS: that's my approach for now 13.42.51 # It sounds like thewho's solution is a "Getting it working is the most important solution" rather than a "Doing it right is the most important solution" 13.43.09 # jhMikeS: that would probably also lead to a better structured and modularized driver (if that's possible at all) 13.43.19 Quit thewho (Client Quit) 13.43.36 Join thewho [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a2ae746396829e4d) 13.43.55 # thewho: It could...I find this sort of thing takes a multipass approach 13.44.27 # * B4gder has a wireless keyboard that likes to sometimes send a bazillion of cursor-down 13.44.34 # not annoying at all, oh no 13.44.37 # :-) 13.45.06 # and this is one of them fancy expensive logitech ones 13.45.11 # even has its own LCD 13.45.15 # jhMikeS: but we'd better leave it to LinusN -- the fat master! :-) 13.45.19 Join himitsu [0] (n=himitsu@61.213.184.126) 13.45.29 Quit Moos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.45.35 # thewho: :-) 13.45.37 # B4gder: A potential Rockbox target then... 13.45.38 # thewho: you're not insulting him are you? :o) 13.45.56 Join Moos [0] (i=Moos@m135.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 13.45.57 # yay, I doubt it has built-in sound though 13.46.02 # * LinusN joins Fat Fighters 13.46.12 # jhMikeS: =:-O 13.46.32 # but it has an awful lot of extra buttons! 13.47.12 Join cf-danky [0] (n=dubra@24-151-24-042.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com) 13.48.28 # LinusN: on a serious note: how was the FAT driver written? Was it a fork off of an open source impl? Or from scratch? 13.48.41 # from scratch, by me 13.48.56 # later revamped by björn 13.48.57 # * jhMikeS needs to learn about FAT structure just so he knows something else he doesn't know now :P 13.49.15 # LinusN: kudos! 13.49.17 Quit thewho ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 13.49.48 Join thewho [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-264b25aced91601d) 13.49.57 # ironically, my first fat driver was fat16, and björn revamped it to fat32, then we added fat16 again for the ondio 13.50.27 # hmm, that reminds me 13.50.46 # LinusN: Did you do something about the iriver bootloader hang when there are no partitions? 13.50.56 # so, linusn is the fat master, and zagor is the fat code expert 13.50.59 # And will the next bl release for h1x0 include flashing support? 13.50.59 # LinusN: must be really low level stuff, no? 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Not too tight I pray. 14.25.46 Join cyr [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f650956db0d095fc) 14.26.29 # preglow: what kind of boost does mp3 give on the ipod? (to compare to the 14% with speex) 14.26.36 # oh, more than that 14.26.40 # i can give you a quick figure now 14.26.54 # and speex isn't really _that_ optimised anymore 14.27.10 # Some time ago, there was a discussion about the possibility of arranging the items in menues (or, at least, in the RB main menu). Has something been agreed upon? 14.27.47 # markun: More than 50% on my mini2g 14.27.54 # cyr: I don't think anything was agreed upon, some people like it some don't... 14.30.13 # do the sansas require some kind of fancy ass program to copy music? 14.30.26 Join justthisguy [0] (i=c1197428@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d32d824ab990492c) 14.30.33 # preglow: No. 14.30.46 # preglow: They have two modes: MSC (UMS for flash devices or something) and MTP 14.30.57 # wow, we actually have an Archos Player user still :-) 14.31.12 # MTP of course requires MTP drivers. In windows you can simply drag and drop in Explorer still, and it automatically builds the database while transferring files. 14.31.21 # looks like JdGordon changed the spanish translation to latin1 encoding.. 14.31.31 # In MSC it has to rebuild the database at boot, which can take 10+ minutes for a mere thousand files or so. 14.31.36 # get a normal editor.. 14.31.56 # nls: my reaction too :-) 14.32.42 # Llorean: right, got a mate who needs a mp3 player quick, and they've got e250s at a store just around here 14.32.50 # and he doesn't want any itunes like shit 14.33.03 # Well, you don't need any crap software for the retail firmware. 14.33.08 # nls: so someone has to step out and create a patch... and do it that the committers like it :-) 14.33.13 # Though being on windows will be better since you don't have to wait on the database refreshes. 14.33.44 # Llorean: cool, i'll probably have him rockbox it once he gets back from travelin anyway :> 14.34.18 # nls: *...do it so that... 14.34.22 # preglow: As a warning, Rockbox on Sansa is worse than Rockbox on iPod right now. ;) 14.34.24 # preglow: the mixer thing turns the whole arrangment on it's head really...but should plug into the current playback.c. I started outlining it but I do have some serious stuff to consider about it. :P 14.35.14 # cyr: there is already a patch http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6718 someone just has to step up and decide if we want this and if so commit it (if the patch is done in the right way) 14.35.39 # Llorean: know 14.35.41 # nls: Oh, the majority of devs are against customizable menus I htink. 14.35.58 # jhMikeS: it would be worth considering a change like this for a long time, yes 14.36.02 # Llorean: amen 14.36.03 # * bluebrother votes against customizable menus 14.36.13 # * markun too 14.36.18 # * cyr looks at the patch 14.36.19 # cyr: then someone will have to concince them too (not very easy) 14.36.40 Join austriancoder [0] (n=austrian@80.120.117.30) 14.36.44 # bluebrother, markun: why? If it makes the dap to perfectly fit my taste?.. 14.36.56 # cyr: it gives us a support nightmare 14.37.08 # nls: I would expcet that there are at least some archos player users still 14.37.37 # amiconn: yes and one using a current build :-) (he reported a couple of bugs in the tracker) 14.37.53 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 14.38.06 # LinusN: if it only allows to reorder the items (and not to add/hide them) and does it in a rather defensive way I wouldn't consider it very dagerous 14.39.23 # cyr: i agree, but it will still be a nightmare once the config file gets out-of-date 14.39.37 Quit bonbonthejon (Remote closed the connection) 14.39.37 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.39.48 # like if we add a menu entry 14.40.27 # LinusN: hmmm... yes. The users will then ask why the file doesn't have effect anymore 14.40.29 # and the clueless users will pop up in this very channel and ask questions about why the new menu entry is not placed "correctly" 14.40.52 # the only think I consider as a nice addition would be a "Favorites" submenu 14.41.11 # but supporting a customizable / reorderable menu will be a support nightmare 14.41.31 # with a fixed menu you can always tell users where to go. 14.41.40 # LinusN: but we could make this feature "not official" and do not describe it in the manual :-) Or make a plugin that will create a defualt up-to-date menu config file 14.41.44 # even if they mess up their favorites submenu 14.41.57 # cyr: that would be even worse, i think 14.42.05 # cyr: true, but it's additional work without any benefit 14.42.28 # and if a feature is present or not user will want to use it and ask for support. 14.42.33 # be it documented or not. 14.42.45 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B15157.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.42.47 # and users don't read documentation 14.43.05 # Anyone know if the Gigabeat charges via USB? 14.43.06 # bluebrother: well, at least two persons would benefit 14.43.12 # two? Who? 14.43.36 # and two persons isn't much considering the user base of Rockbox ... 14.43.41 # we do have an undocumented feature that lets you place your playlist catalog wherever you wish, i wonder if anyone uses it... 14.43.57 # nls: we have? How? 14.44.20 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.44.32 # bluebrother: the author of the patch and me :-) 14.44.44 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-d2c8dc9dabb745a8) 14.44.58 # linuxstb_: Yes 14.45.00 # bluebrother: /.rockbox/playlist_catalog.config 14.45.02 # create a file called .rockbox/playlist_catalog.config containgin a string reading dir: and voila 14.45.28 # oh. 14.45.40 # linuxstb_: You can even hold Menu to charge via USB while doing other stuff. 14.45.45 # I tried to move the string to the global settings struct but it didn't work very well... 14.46.01 # preglow: it's the native format storage that gets me...totally backwards from now. Voice can probably be pre-scaled though for savings. 14.46.03 # cyr: that still won't convince me. As I said, a customizable Favorites submenu would be an option IMO 14.46.32 # but you can always adjust the source and build yourself 14.47.10 # linuxstb_: when will your F20 arrive? 14.48.24 # bluebrother: that would miss the target IMHO. The purpose of the patch is to make the root menu more usable (for the given user). A Favorites menu wouldn't help it I think. 14.48.58 # * preglow bbl 14.49.23 # *sic* 14.49.32 # we don't have a root menu. It't the main menu. 14.49.39 # markun: A couple of hours ago. 14.49.53 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14.49.57 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 14.50.15 # bluebrother: yes, the main menu. BTW: three persons would benefit (there's one more in the comments!) 14.50.20 # linuxstb: does that mean you've already rockbox'd it ? 14.50.36 # still not enough ;-) 14.50.39 # Of course, that Toshiba firmware was very confusing... 14.50.53 # I never even booted it into that ;) 14.51.07 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B15157.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.51.11 Quit lini (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14.51.13 # I wanted to make sure it was working before I installed Rockbox. 14.51.33 # did it look a smidgeon battered when it arrived ? 14.52.11 # No, it's in excellent condition. 14.52.11 # bluebrother: well, if that only were the *right* three persons we'd already have it committed :-) 14.52.24 # http://www.expansys.no/p.aspx?i=139792 <-- Is this a good player, and does Rockbox run on it? 14.52.31 # linuxstb: just committed the changes to scramble. I have most of the work done to change the bootloaders too, just need to add crc checking and decrypting 14.52.58 # linuxstb: well, congratulations! 14.52.58 # Dark_Apostrophe: the listed of supported players is on the front page at www.rockbox.org 14.53.22 # Dark_Apostrophe: That is a gigabeat f and it's supported 14.53.46 # Great 14.53.57 # Can it play videos? 14.54.15 # mpegplayer runs on it quite nicely 14.54.16 # the mpegplayer plugin is in a very early state 14.54.34 # Two contradicting statements... :P 14.54.38 # But it has potential... 14.54.43 # at least - running the elephant's dream demo movie anyway (in widescreen, I get voice going out of sync with the fullscreen) 14.54.59 # I wonder when the world supply of F series Gigabeat will be depleted by the rockbox crowd.. 14.55.08 # does mpegplayer play longer than just what fits into the buffer now? 14.55.09 # Does it play XviD, Theora etc...? 14.55.13 # nope 14.55.19 # mpeg 1 or 2 14.55.21 # only 14.55.26 # or/and 14.55.31 # and only as much as will fit in the memory 14.55.40 # Dark_Apostrophe: it doesn't play any video well without re-encoding 14.56.03 # markun: is there a RB target which plays video better though ? ;) 14.56.09 # :( 14.56.12 # Ok, so I have to build a lobby for the reorderable main menu. Anyone who wants to join? 14.56.23 # linuxstb: did you try MpegPlayer yet? :) 14.56.31 # markun: No, not yet... 14.56.32 # I'm sure it will motivate your to work on it again :) 14.57.02 # cyr: generally it doesn't matter how many users want a patch included unless the core devs also want it... 14.57.13 # Dark_Apostrophe: buy a player which supports video playback if that's important to you. Maybe one of the newer Archoses? 14.57.31 # or an iPod and run AppleOS 14.57.34 # cyr: You don't need to build a lobby. You need to come up with a conclusive proof that the benefits outweigh the costs. 14.57.55 # A: I want free software to run on it. B: I hate crapple. C: I'm on a budget. 14.57.59 # Can I safely delete every directory apart from GBSYSTEM ? 14.58.14 # linuxstb: yep 14.58.14 # Dark_Apostrophe: d: you're out of luck :) 14.58.28 # :( 14.58.46 # Dark_Apostrophe: do you know archopen.org? 14.59.19 # it might be what you are looking for 14.59.38 # markun: No 14.59.41 # archopen doesn't replace all the features of the original firmware though - I don't think it has music playback yet... 15.00.00 # (but it has lots of games and emulators, some with sound) 15.00.04 # Llorean: actually, I don't have any other than it would make RB a little bit easier to use for me. But if that would make devs' life much harder I won't insist on that be implemented 15.00.27 Join Siltaar [0] (n=Siltaar@193.52.208.229) 15.01.41 # Hello 15.01.52 # I just posted a new french translation 15.02.23 # and I'm looking for Sofian Babai whom just made a new french voice file 15.02.29 # with old translation 15.02.49 # I'm interested in making an updated french voice file 15.02.52 # Siltaar: I can't find your translation.. 15.02.57 # barrywardell: Is there a reason to add decrypting to the bootloader? With sansapatcher, the idea is that normal users will never see .mi4 files 15.03.04 Quit FOAD_ ("I'll be back") 15.03.15 # Siltaar: ok, I found it 15.03.16 # patch ID 6817 15.03.18 # And sansapatcher will always create mi4 files with 100% plaintext. 15.03.27 # was expecting it to be filed under 'language' 15.03.39 # I'll remember it 15.03.59 # linuxstb: Mainly for other MI4 players, like the H10, where the MI4 doesn't have a hidden partition, so you can just rename it, if I understand correctly. 15.04.46 # (I would have presented myself as an happy linux enthousiaste that succeed in having to work for Rockbox as a school project ^_^) 15.05.53 Part pixelma 15.07.14 Quit cyr ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 15.07.24 # Siltaar: committed 15.07.59 # wow, cool 15.08.07 # markun: mpegplayer is nice, but why is the backlight turning off? I thought mpegplayer disabled the backlight timeout? 15.08.45 # and, so, about makine voice files ? I had no voicesettings.sh shipped with my svn check out... 15.09.24 Part LinusN 15.09.29 # Siltaar: you have to choose voice when running configure 15.09.36 # linuxstb: I don't remember it turning off.. 15.09.36 # Siltaar, you have to have run configure and selected (V)oice 15.09.51 # linuxstb: pretty nice screen don't you think? 15.10.08 # thx nls GodEater I try immediatly 15.10.13 # It's amazing how much more is possible with rockbox on it 15.11.08 # markun: Ah, I had USB attached, and the gigabeat is reporting that as charger inserted - so the backlight_timeout_plugged setting was active, which mpegplayer doesn't disable... 15.12.13 Quit barrywardell (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.12.17 # :) 15.13.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.13.40 # * GodEater welcomes linuxstb to the Gigabeat F fan club 15.15.48 # GodEater: Thanks. It's nice, but that Toshiba bootloader has go... 15.16.16 # toffe will do some JTAG experiments soon 15.16.32 Quit justthisguy ("CGI:IRC") 15.16.38 # linuxstb: You can make it take less time at least. 15.16.46 # linuxstb: amen to that 15.17.07 # Llorean: I get nervous about using the replacement GBSYSTEM files 15.17.30 # I don't 15.17.54 # GodEater: what can go wrong? 15.18.01 # Llorean: Yes, I noticed those files on the wiki. It's still ugly though... 15.18.19 # markun: nothing as long as I don't touch the current bootloader 15.18.38 # but Llorean's pushing to get the bootsplash stuff removed - which will mean a new version of it soon I guess 15.18.44 # linuxstb: Yeah, it's a stopgap. 15.19.14 # GodEater: The Rockbox bootloader has an emergency USB mode. As long as you have a working bootloader, you're fine. 15.19.25 # I didn't even know the bootsplash stuff was still in svn.. 15.19.27 # GodEater: Meanwhile, if you don't have a working bootloader, you couldn't use the firmware restore function of the bootloader anyway. 15.19.35 # markun: I thought toffe's jtag stuff was on the S, not the F ? 15.19.48 # both 15.19.53 # F first 15.20.00 Join perl|work [0] (n=jacquesc@static-64-61-105-170.isp.broadviewnet.net) 15.20.00 # I must have missed that 15.20.50 # markun: I don't think it *is* in svn - but it's linked from the wiki page install instructions I think 15.21.21 # I think the code itself is in SVN, but not the images. 15.21.44 # I made my own image anyway 15.21.52 # well, I think it makes the bootloader needlessly complex 15.22.17 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 15.22.19 # that seems to be the consensus 15.22.22 # I'm not against a user-changable bootsplash, but think it's better for it to be in Rockbox itself, loaded from a .bmp file, not an obscure raw image format. 15.22.41 # I agree with what linuxstb said. 15.22.55 # * GodEater senses a recent long hold on the delete key 15.22.57 # I'm all for a configurable splash if a user wants it for themeing, but not as part of the bootloader. 15.23.11 Quit FOAD (Client Quit) 15.24.29 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 15.24.34 Quit FOAD (Client Quit) 15.25.59 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 15.26.07 Quit FOAD (Client Quit) 15.27.45 # someone appears to be having difficulty 15.28.09 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 15.28.18 Join |Rincewind| [0] (i=j2rYuttg@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 15.28.33 # doing the IRC equivalent of the okey-cokey 15.29.07 Join jac0b [0] (i=9b6d0515@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-639b70cee9886237) 15.29.14 # markun: which bit of the world is toffe from ? 15.29.44 # France I think. But he lives in the western part of the USA. 15.30.14 # that seemed to be his timezone - but his language is odd - so I was trying to work out where he could be from and not be a native english speaker :) 15.30.19 Quit toer (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.30.59 # although standard disclaimer for his english being superlative compared to my grasp of francais 15.33.35 Join slarti [0] (i=tom@gentoo/developer/slarti) 15.34.37 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.35.00 Join toer [0] (i=tore@skjeldal.com) 15.36.40 Quit jac0b ("CGI:IRC") 15.38.40 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B95F6E.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.40.10 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 15.40.59 # can someone check this little UDA1380 simplification? http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/uda_cleanup.diff 15.42.02 # toffe82: all the Gigabeat owners are awayting your JTAG experiment 15.42.24 Quit FOAD (Remote closed the connection) 15.42.42 # ;) 15.42.42 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 15.43.05 Join GodEater__ [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-d5b8212c91d406cc) 15.43.31 Quit GodEater (Nick collision from services.) 15.44.06 Nick GodEater__ is now known as GodEater (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-d5b8212c91d406cc) 15.45.53 # Would it be possible to ad short track info to the main menu, when it's saying "now playing"? 15.46.54 # Arathis: I don't believe it's easy to do with the current menu code 15.47.02 # hm, okay 15.48.39 # But than onther thing: ON H10 both CPUs should work now, but while playing music and running bubbles the game still stucks sometimes. not as much as before, but it still does. to bad barry's not around 15.48.56 Join GodEater__ [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-7a1b1236cf86cd83) 15.49.22 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 15.49.56 # video also doesn't sync properly with audio, but that might be an plugin thing 15.50.00 Nick GodEater__ is now known as GodEater (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-7a1b1236cf86cd83) 15.51.23 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 15.51.27 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 15.51.32 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 15.54.10 Join toer_ [0] (i=tore@skjeldal.com) 15.54.51 Quit toer (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.56.13 # I registeur un account on the wiki, but don't have the rights to write something 15.56.37 # Siltaar: I'll give you the rights them 15.56.40 # then 15.56.52 # but it seems to miss an argument on the second command of http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LangFiles 15.57.13 # the -t 15.57.17 # of 15.57.40 # ./../tools/genlang -e=english.lang -t=ipodvideo -b=newfrancais.lng newfrancais.lang 15.57.42 # for instance 15.57.50 # could I fix this ? 15.58.11 # Siltaar: ok, you have wiki rights now 15.58.17 Quit cf-danky ("get satisfied! • :: ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» www.gamersirc.net ::") 15.58.31 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 15.58.35 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 15.58.39 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 15.58.52 # Arathis: Is your video being played in realtime? i.e. if you enable "show fps", does it display the same number you used when encoding the file? 15.58.54 # If not, then you'll need to re-encode at either a lower resolution, lower framerate, or lower bitrate (or combination of the three)... 15.58.56 # (and enable Limit FPS and Skip Frames in the mpegplayer menu) 15.59.00 # ok, I go 15.59.46 # on the menu, you have to press enter on the last submenu, why not keeping the right arrow or changing the font to know that you are on the last menu ? 15.59.48 # linuxstb: I tried elephants dream from the rockbox wiki encoded for my player in both resolutions 16.00.11 # What is your player? 16.00.20 # H10 with 20gb 16.00.30 # it plays at ~34fps 16.00.31 # hm 16.00.38 # sansa's are pretty cheap 16.00.53 # preglow: Don't do it... Remember they're PortalPlayer... 16.01.03 # right, right... 16.01.03 # toffe82: I have no idea what you are talking about. Which right arrow and which last menu? 16.01.22 # Arathis: So did you enable the Limit FPS and Skip Frames options? 16.01.43 # nope 16.01.50 # It won't be in sync if it's decoding a 24fps video at 34fps... 16.01.54 # markun: when you navigate the menu, you use the right arrow no ? 16.02.15 # toffe82: yes, I do 16.02.23 # markun: but on the last submenu you press enter 16.02.32 # no 16.02.42 # ? 16.02.59 # I will recheck 16.03.41 # toffe82: you are talking about the settings menu? 16.04.13 # all the menu 16.04.49 # I cannot chek now but I will try again 16.05.15 # toffe82: so you thought right doesn't work to start a song or change a setting? 16.05.35 # Of course in the WPS is does something else 16.05.39 # I've just tested, and right seems to work correctly for me - i.e. it's "select" in menus and settings. 16.05.57 # works here too 16.06.26 # markun: recsue mode is the emergency usb mode, right ? 16.06.29 # strange , I will recheck 16.07.47 # Nico_P: yes 16.08.08 # hmm it works... i think when i was testing the new bootloader for LinusN, it didn't work 16.08.29 # which meant i had to revert to the original firmware each time rockbox refused to load 16.08.33 # a real PITA 16.08.41 # Nico_P: Did you try it with the dock, or the cable plugged directly in? 16.08.58 # linuxstb: With limiting fps it works fine. thanks 16.09.09 # Is it normal for gigabeats to get very warm when plugged into USB (mine is a F20) ? 16.09.18 # Llorean: just now i tried both and noticed it doesn't work with the dock... back when i was doing some testing i don't remember 16.09.27 # linuxstb: mine doesn't get warm at all =/ 16.09.32 # mine's an F40 though 16.09.39 # linuxstb: mine usually gets was because it's charging and spinning the disk 16.10.11 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b9a4a.ucd.ie) 16.10.18 # s/was/warm/ 16.10.32 # markun: Do you have the F20 or F40? 16.11.03 # linuxstb its normal 16.11.03 # i have 2 16.11.06 # mine doesn't get warm and it is charging all day, I use it as an external hd 16.11.11 # they both get really warm 16.11.27 # when its connected and spins the disc that is 16.11.47 # just charging doesnt really warm it 16.11.54 # but I have it sitting on a big heatsink :) 16.12.05 # linuxstb: F40 16.12.31 # * linuxstb concludes that GodEater lives in a fridge 16.12.45 # watching a movie from its hdd will get it egg-fry hot 16.12.51 # it is quite chilly in here ;) 16.13.37 # mustn't he rather live at some hot place so he doesn't notice the heat from the player? 16.14.54 # i watched an xvid from F60 once through usb, it got amazingly hot and started malfunction 16.15.09 # * GodEater plays back the elephant's dream to check 16.15.14 # Do you reduce the CPU frequency when in USB disk mode? 16.15.21 # s/Do you/Does rockbox/ 16.17.22 # I think it is normal that the hd become hot if you use it as an external hd and stream video to your computer because it is spinning constantly 16.18.03 # when you look the video elephant dream, it load the file in memory and the hd is not used anymore so it shouldn't heat so much 16.18.20 # linuxstb: we can't do that, but I don't know if the CPU sleeps 16.18.52 # markun: Why can't we do that? 16.19.18 # linuxstb: various reasons, I hope I remember them all: 16.20.28 # because we have the peripheral frequency at 100MHz the CPU frequency must be at at least 2 times that (according to the ARM documentation and the one from our CPU) 16.20.42 # barrywardell: You made a copy and paste typo with the comments in your mi4.c patch... 16.21.10 # oops, i'll fix that with my next commit 16.21.48 # linuxstb: hm, maybe we can clock the CPU down to 16.9MHz during USB.. we haven't tried that 16.23.44 # I don't know if it's worthwhile though... 16.25.22 Quit perplexity (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16.27.54 # if you can sleep it easily, i wouldn't bother, i think 16.31.34 # gigabeat is main topic this morning ;) 16.31.50 # toffe82 are you going to try to flash it today? 16.32.14 # I would like but no time :( 16.32.41 # I hope before the end of the week I will do something 16.33.53 # ok, nice 16.34.33 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 16.39.03 Quit Obsys (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.43.11 # flash what? 16.44.02 Join Ribs2 [0] (n=ribs@91.84.8.218) 16.45.04 # bootloader 16.46.06 Quit Ribs2 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.46.29 Join raphi [0] (n=Raphi@pub212004094028.dh-hfc.datazug.ch) 16.47.33 Quit Ribs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.48.31 Join Ribs [0] (n=ribs@91.84.8.218) 16.48.55 # preglow: if the jtag is working, we can also debug inline 16.54.04 Quit B4gder ("Time to say moo") 16.54.10 Quit webguest88 ("CGI:IRC") 16.59.56 Part raphi 17.01.29 Quit jhulst_ (Remote closed the connection) 17.02.52 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.15.134) 17.06.35 Join perplexity [0] (n=joust@dxb-as9925.alshamil.net.ae) 17.08.31 Quit Ribs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.09.33 Join lini [0] (i=pugsley@62.204.144.237) 17.12.12 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 17.13.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.18.56 # linuxstb: I have modified the bootloader to accept mi4 files (http://pastebin.ca/394803), but I'm stuck calculating the crc. I can't get a crc that matches what scramble creates. any ideas 17.19.06 # ? 17.27.21 # Looking now... 17.28.09 # if it helps, scramble gets a crc of 77dad22b 17.28.29 # and the bootloader gives 66628d59 17.32.00 # barrywardell: The crc code shouldn't be in common.c - unless it's #ifdef'ed out for targets not using it. It will add to the code-size without reason. 17.33.19 # linuxstb: it won't be in the end. i just wanted to get it actually working first, then worry about that stuff afterwards 17.36.53 Quit austriancoder ("Lost terminal") 17.39.30 # barrywardell: I can't see anything obvious... 17.40.38 # me either :( I guess I'll just have to keep looking! 17.42.02 Join Frode_ [0] (n=Frode@213.167.96.196) 17.42.48 # Does the firmware run even when the crc check fails? 17.44.32 # I haven't tried. I'll check now. 17.46.19 # yep, rockbox still boots fine 17.47.13 # as does the OF 17.48.58 # And the original firmware's bootloader still likes these mi4 files that the latest SVN version of scramble creates? 17.49.33 Quit midgey () 17.50.42 # yes, although according to Bader's site it ignores the checksum if it's a v3 mi4 17.57.02 # Ah OK... 18.00.35 # i'm tempted to just put the regular rockbox checksum at the end of the mi4 header and use that instead. it would keep common.c cleaner too. 18.02.59 # I was thinking the same. But it would be nice to get it working though... 18.05.01 # Ah, I think I may see the problem - the checksum is being calculated in mi4.c before the dummy signature is written to offset 0x2f 18.05.11 Quit petur ("dada") 18.07.57 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 18.10.07 # nls: Around? 18.10.20 # ahhhh, ok 18.10.20 # Or jhMikeS? 18.10.34 # linuxstb: so it's mi4.c that's wrong? 18.10.40 # I'm not sure... 18.11.04 # When I wrote it, I did a lot of tests to make sure it was creating output 100% identical to mi4code. 18.12.13 Quit Siltaar ("Quitte") 18.12.39 # but if the dummy signature is only written for v3 mi4's and the checksum is only checked for v2, then it's possible that it has been producing mi4s that work, but are not strictly correct 18.13.25 # Yes... Maybe testing your bootloader with an original mi4 file would tell us the correct way to calculate the checksum. 18.13.53 # Maybe the CRC should start later in the file - e.g. at offset 0x200 18.18.43 Join voltagex [0] (n=voltagex@124-254-126-107-dsl.ispone.net.au) 18.30.12 Join Stalwart^ [0] (n=stalwart@ip-10.154.Home-Lan.fastnet.lv) 18.30.46 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 18.30.52 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 18.35.26 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.196.135) 18.36.40 Join Ribs [0] (n=ribs@91.84.8.218) 18.37.53 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 18.43.34 # linuxstb: looks like mi4code starts at 0x200 when it does its crc 18.47.47 Quit Stalwart (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.48.48 Nick GodEater1 is now known as GodEater (n=bryan@host-83-146-12-251.bulldogdsl.com) 18.50.18 # linuxstb: hmmm. since the data in 0x1c-0x200 was all 0's up to now, does that mean that it didn't affect the crc whether it started at 0x1c or 0x200? 18.51.42 # Anyone able to help me to get LaTeX up and running? I'm under Cygwin and attempting to build the manual... 18.53.51 # I guess I just need to know where to put the Unicode support files. 18.53.58 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 18.58.27 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.00.21 Join Id2ndR [0] (n=ubuntu@laf31-2-62-34-88-193.dsl.club-internet.fr) 19.00.35 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.03.47 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 19.05.06 Quit kaaloo ("Leaving.") 19.05.32 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.06.23 # ok, finally worked out that at least on v3 mi4s, the crc starts at 0x200 19.07.33 Quit pondlife ("disconnected has pondlife") 19.08.12 Join MadCOWfromSWEDEN [0] (n=MadCOWfr@m83-178-13-103.cust.tele2.se) 19.08.12 Quit MadCOWfromSWEDEN (Client Quit) 19.08.35 # OK, that makes sense. 19.13.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.14.30 Join Ice8lue [0] (n=chatzill@L7173.l.strato-dslnet.de) 19.14.44 # good evening 19.25.53 Quit Thundercloud_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.25.55 Join Thundercloud__ [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.196.135) 19.29.05 Join Bagder [0] (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 19.29.54 # does anybody know how to fix this flackering (hope this word exists^^) of menus and plugins on the sansa? 19.31.01 # flickering 19.31.09 # ah, sorry^^ am german... 19.31.21 # its okay -- just fyi! 19.31.40 # =) so what to do? 19.32.17 # there is no fix yet 19.32.45 # =/ damn..... its annoying while playing jewels 19.32.52 # it is 19.32.57 # but man it's great for podcasts 19.33.09 # this flickering? 19.34.27 Join Aikon_ [0] (n=root@dslb-084-059-016-057.pools.arcor-ip.net) 19.36.41 # Ice:are you using the default UI? 19.37.11 # Amblin: UI? i have theme.... RockAMP 19.37.30 # A different theme can help in something like the Now Playing screen, but it does nothing for games etc. 19.37.34 # Ah 19.38.15 # And by flackering you meant "flickering", close though :) 19.38.20 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 19.38.23 # Ice8lue: I know what the problem is, but not how to fix it yet. 19.42.16 # (the problem is that the function to update the LCD returns before the LCD has finished updating) 19.43.03 # dan_a: in the beginning i thought the lcd is just a little slow but while playing doom (which often has very fast animations) there is no flickering 19.43.13 Join [SWE]GiantSubway [0] (i=5b5f1a12@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1e285c4b25005c39) 19.43.25 Quit Aikon (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 19.44.00 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 19.44.29 # Ice8lue: I think Doom runs slowly enough that it isn't trying to update the LCD before the previous update has finished 19.45.24 # dan_a: hmm...but wouldnt it be possible to insert a subroutine that checks if previous update finished before next one starts? 19.46.11 # <[SWE]GiantSubway> Hi.. Why dosent rockbox.org got a "develop page"? like this... "We are |--------------------------------------T-----| Ice8lue: Yes. But I don't know how to do it yet. 19.47.30 Nick linuxstb__ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 19.47.31 # [SWE]GiantSubway: because maintaining it would be extremely boring? 19.47.41 Join JavaMan22 [0] (n=HP_Admin@c-24-61-91-138.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) 19.47.42 # dan_a: using a temporary variable? by starting the refresh u set it =1, at the end =0, so refreshing is possible just if it is 0? 19.48.06 # hi 19.48.19 # hi 19.48.25 # can anyone help me i am trying to code 19.48.29 # Ice8lue: Nope. We tell the LCD to refresh itsself - but don't know how to check if it's finished 19.48.41 Quit barrywardell (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.48.46 # i just dont get what i must do 19.48.53 # i have installed cygwin 19.49.00 # and i have the rockbox source 19.49.02 # <[SWE]GiantSubway> preglow: not at all! everyone always asks the question 19.49.35 # [SWE]GiantSubway: So how far would you say we are on the way? 19.49.43 # [SWE]GiantSubway: The reason no progress reports have been published is because there has been no progress 19.49.49 # when compile with arm-elf-gcc helloworld.c 19.50.00 # it tells me that plugin.h is not found 19.50.15 # when i move it inside rockbox/apps and compile it says that too 19.50.16 # dan_a: i dont know if this is possible but in delphi u can do a thing like: if (operation) Then (here is what comes if it has finished) else (what it does during operation) 19.50.20 # JavaMan22: You need to add helloworld.c to apps/plugins/SOURCES, and then compile Rockbox as normal. 19.50.32 # i must do it this way? 19.50.37 # Yes. 19.50.41 # >:o 19.50.42 # ok 19.50.50 # <[SWE]GiantSubway> I dont know... But would be very very nice to see a "timeline".. 19.51.07 # i cant compile rockbox tho 19.51.11 # i get tons of errors 19.51.21 # JavaMan22: Then you need to fix those first... 19.51.23 # <[SWE]GiantSubway> se ya 19.51.26 # erm 19.51.26 Quit [SWE]GiantSubway ("CGI:IRC") 19.51.47 # why do some people compile fine and some dont 19.51.55 # Ice8lue: We don't update the LCD - we ask the LCD to update itsself. It's sort of like sending a letter - we don't know when it will be finished, and don't know how to find out yet. 19.53.20 # Do you do partial screen updates, or is it always the full LCD? 19.53.45 # dan_a: ah...so this would just make the next operation start when this 'letter' was sent... and what about a little counter? maybe giving it a half of a second and after that send the next 'letter'? 19.54.27 # linuxstb: Full LCD 19.54.52 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-112-254.pools.arcor-ip.net) 19.55.05 # lunxstb how come i cant compile 19.55.28 # if i cant compile it how did rockbox people compile it 19.55.32 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19.55.37 # :( 19.55.46 # Have you attempted what IceBlue suggested, and putting a fixed delay between lcd_update() calls? The 5g video driver is similar - it polls the LCD until it's ready for the next update, yielding if necessary. 19.56.11 # JavaMan22: You'll need to be more specific. What environment (cygwin, vmware, Linux etc) are you using? 19.56.20 # cygwin i said 19.56.28 # We just set a bit in a register to tell it to update at the moment. I did try a fixed delay, but not with yielding 19.56.29 # im on windows xp 19.56.44 Quit bluey- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.57.19 # JavaMan22: What happens when you run the ../tools/configure script - does it display any errors at the end? 19.57.28 # nope 19.57.29 # dan_a: i never tried to do something similar like programming an display but with a fixxed delay it would at least be logical^^ 19.57.39 # it tells me to select a device 19.57.44 # i chose 22 ipod video 19.58.16 # Ice8lue: The trouble is that a delay there would slow down the whole of Rockbox. 19.58.42 # (waiting for the lcd update to happen) 19.58.42 # hmm.... 19.59.04 # JavaMan22: Then what do you select? 19.59.06 Quit FOAD ("I'll be back") 19.59.14 # i'm sure it wont have to be that long 19.59.31 # i selected 22 19.59.38 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m180.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 20.01.35 # JavaMan22: Yes, and then... 20.01.45 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@p549af369.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.02.05 # i cant recall im on a different computer 20.02.15 # im installed cygwin on this computer to test my luck 20.02.21 # *installing 20.03.38 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 20.03.58 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.04.08 # is the plugins hard coded into rockbox? 20.04.30 # no.. 20.04.59 # then why do i need to compile the whole thing 20.05.05 # they are \.rockbox\rocks 20.05.42 # delete the rocks if you want. then you will be rockless 20.05.56 # They are very closely linked. If you compile Rockbox, then change a plugin, then recompile, then only your plugin will be compiled - the build system doesn't recompile everything. 20.06.14 # ok 20.06.40 # is there a way to just compile my program alone 20.09.06 # No. 20.09.21 # dan_a: any idea of the video playback status for the sansa yet? 20.09.47 # afaik, it's working as well as on any other target. 20.09.48 # Frode_: It plays back videos... 20.10.02 # dan_a: ok.. with audio working too? 20.10.12 # cool 20.10.15 # ya 20.10.20 # Yes, but not necessarily in sync 20.10.20 # 21% 20.10.29 # downloading files for cygwin :D 20.10.33 # I gotta check out the wiki, if its updated 20.11.14 Join Gnelik [0] (n=Gnelik@193.110.18.47) 20.11.22 Join ^h1t [0] (i=h1t@acjy180.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 20.11.52 # Hi. From forum: Sansa's CPU isn't powerful enough for 30fps full-screen video is PP2024 slover than other pp's? 20.11.55 # <^h1t> hi..can you instal rockbox on nano 1st gen with firmware 1.2? 20.12.55 # Yes. 20.13.15 # <^h1t> thx 20.13.25 # Gnelik: No. 20.13.48 # OK it's good 20.14.19 # thx 20.14.29 # Gnelik: The problem is probably the crappy disk driver that I wrote - I'm going to update it soon 20.14.32 Join ok [0] (n=ok@bb-87-82-8-251.ukonline.co.uk) 20.14.55 # Anyone want to break their Sansa by trying the first version of sansapatcher? 20.15.30 # linuxstb: You're too late, I've already broken mine! I'll try it when I've managed to make e200tool work for me 20.16.10 # what exactly does sansapatcher do? ;p 20.16.11 Part ^h1t 20.16.44 # You run it, and it installs the Rockbox bootloader directly in the hidden second partition visible in normal UMS mode. 20.16.58 # does any of the rockbox targets have a software volume control? 20.17.07 Join BjoernErik [0] (n=unknown@250.80-202-105.nextgentel.com) 20.17.11 # sorry, need mine^^ 20.17.17 # It also stores an unencrypted version of the original firmware mi4 file in that second partition, immediately after the bootloader. 20.18.15 # what I found earler is that even though I turned up the DAC -> Mixer gain to 0x16 (and 0x40 | 0x16) that the sound seems better at 0dB volume (Headphone gain) 20.18.41 # linuxstb: what OSes does it currently run on? 20.18.47 # Hi I have just installed RB on a 4gen ipod color but have a pixelated back drop? if I add themes they are pixelated also. I have uninstalled current and tried the latest version and its still the same. Any ideas welcome. thanks 20.19.07 # andrewg867: It should run on anything, but I can only build binaries for Linux, Mac OS X and win32. 20.19.08 # 32% :D 20.19.28 # linuxstb: do you have a link, I might try it out 20.19.41 Join donvito [0] (i=donvito@71-89-49-84.dhcp.stpt.wi.charter.com) 20.19.41 # Do you want the source or a binary? 20.19.42 # lip 20.20.00 # linuxstb: windows binary, and the linux source if you can 20.21.11 # my pacbox wont work 20.21.18 # although i got the roms 20.21.18 # any wget gurus here? 20.21.31 # just for something offtopic 20.21.36 # Bagder: hey, did merwin have any success with what he was trying? 20.21.37 # what do you need about wget? 20.22.10 # andrewg867: win32 binary here - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/sansapatcher.zip - change .zip for .tgz to get the source code. 20.22.24 # andrewg867: how can I get wget to output a downloaded file directly to stdout, like curl does? 20.22.37 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-074-031-155.pools.arcor-ip.net) 20.23.19 # andrewg867: The command that needs testing is "sansapatcher -a PP5022.mi4" where PP5022.mi4 is a Rockbox bootloader. 20.23.43 # If you run sansapatcher without any options, it should just try and detect your E200, and tell you some information about it. 20.24.21 # But be prepared to get e200tool out if it goes wrong... I'm not guaranteeing anything. 20.24.54 # dan_a: 220x176 is it the recommended res to use for mpgs on the sansa atm? 20.25.15 # i will test a encoded video, using vlc.. 20.25.17 # Frode_: 220x176 is full screen 20.25.19 # voltagex: I'm not sure, I don't see anything in the man page 20.25.19 Quit Thundercloud__ (Connection timed out) 20.25.21 # voltagex: Something like "-O -" should work. 20.25.36 # Or failing that, "-O /dev/stdout" 20.25.53 # linuxstb: aah, yes. I always thought - was always stdin, but according to a forum post it works 20.25.58 # dan_a: yep.. it should work fine, do you know if there is a known fps that is the current recommended limit? 20.26.00 # i wonder if the e200tool will run in vmware ;) 20.26.19 # andrewg867: I'm pretty sure Llorean successfully did that yesterday. 20.26.39 # Frode_: I've got no idea - I don't really play with videos 20.26.43 # andrewg867: Llorean tested sansapatcher yesterday, but he made sure e200tool would work first... 20.26.48 # dan_a: allright 20.26.55 # sounds great then, newest loader here http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/e200/ right? 20.27.02 # linuxstb: I will do that first then 20.27.11 # how do i know what my md5 checksum is 20.27.22 Quit perplexity (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.27.23 # However, the version he tested was only reading from the disk. This version is the first to write to it, so there is a real possiblity of something going wrong. 20.27.38 # whats new with this loader? 20.28.19 # I don't think there is any new loader yet. 20.28.34 # ok 20.29.56 Quit Bjoern-Erik (Success) 20.30.37 Quit donvito ("AnacønÐa · "Anybody can win -- unless there happens to be a second entry"") 20.32.07 # JavaMan22: run md5sum on the file you want to find the checksum of 20.33.18 # ok 20.34.10 # oh its for linux 20.34.19 # 48% :D 20.36.07 Nick Stalwart^ is now known as Stalwart (n=stalwart@ip-10.154.Home-Lan.fastnet.lv) 20.36.29 # what is the key presses for getting it into manufacturing mode 20.36.50 # I probably completely fail at searching the wiki and forums :/ 20.37.32 Join t0dk0n [0] (n=todkon@adsl-70-231-226-0.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) 20.38.02 # I keep getting a Data Abort with the current build on my ipod video 20.38.05 # andrewg867: Scroll down this page - http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200.html 20.38.22 # t0dk0n: You need to install the latest version of the bootloader - see section 2.2.3 in the manual. 20.38.24 # When I goto play music, it aborts 20.38.37 # linuxstb: ahhh, alright, thanks 20.39.03 # linuxstb: I'm thinking of moving the codec thread back to the main core until we've resolved the problems... what do you think? 20.39.36 # http://rafb.net/p/MU623u18.html - error when trying to encode a mpg .. for sansa 20.39.40 # any idea? 20.39.47 # dan_a: I don't think it's a problem. 20.40.13 # yes 20.40.30 # :) 20.40.40 # Moving it back isn't a problem? Or people needing to upgrade their bootloaders isn't? 20.40.59 # The latter. 20.41.16 Join ]RowaN[ [0] (i=a2b0y@82-44-85-184.cable.ubr10.newm.blueyonder.co.uk) 20.41.20 # Now it's so easy, and ipodpatcher is working everywhere (afaik). 20.42.04 # People will need to upgrade at some point anyway, so breaking their ipods is a good way to get their attention. Although maybe I'm not being very user-friendly.... 20.42.13 # ahaha "Prototype product Vendor ID USB Device" 20.42.19 # There are other problems too - like mutexes not being multicore safe (I thought I had made them OK, but MrH pointed out that I'd been focussing on one part too narrowly) 20.42.29 # it seems to have found it 20.42.52 # is there any progress with sansa usb connection? 20.42.57 Join Stoneymahoney [0] (i=52228bde@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-49f42f5681cc956f) 20.43.00 Quit bluey- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.43.04 # <]RowaN[> guys my WPS is supposed to show the day (e.g. Wed for today), but its always a day behind. Today its showing Tues, even tho in the system settings it says Weds.. my WPS code is %ac%ca k:MP : e b Yc and im using the Sansa port 20.43.12 Join jac0b [0] (i=9b6d0515@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-bf6724c2fa5897ca) 20.43.17 # IceBlue: That will take a long time to happen... 20.43.45 # mince alors^^ 20.43.48 Nick hannesd__ is now known as hannesd (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 20.43.55 # andrewg867: A safe first test would be "sansapatcher -rf test.mi4" which should give you a copy of the mi4 file currently in your hidden partition - i.e. the existing Rockbox bootloader. 20.44.13 # (it only reads from the disk, so is highly unlikely to cause problems) 20.44.14 # and it looks like e200tool works 20.44.19 # wow, that was incredibly easy to install the bootloader 20.44.23 # alright, i'll try that in windows now 20.44.30 Join Ribs2 [0] (n=ribs@91.84.8.218) 20.44.40 # t0dk0n: I guess you did it the old way first time... 20.44.48 # <]RowaN[> also, has anyone looked into midi on the sansa? doesnt seem to work when i try for the record 20.44.52 # hmm 20.44.56 # linuxstb: well, didn't work :P 20.45.00 # still get the data abort 20.45.14 # Data abort at 000307DC 20.45.20 # everytime I goto play a music file 20.45.22 # OK, that's worrying... 20.45.34 # Did ipodpatcher definitely tell you it was successful? 20.45.35 # I installed Rockbox as per instructions today, on an iPod Mini 2g. About 5-10 seconds after booting and reaching the main menu, the iPod turns itself off. The battery is fully charged, and I can do pretty much anything before it does it, including play music. Any ideas? 20.45.39 # rockbox boots up fine 20.45.52 Quit Stoneymahoney (Client Quit) 20.45.56 Join Thundercloud__ [0] (n=thunderc@81.168.125.149) 20.45.57 # linuxstb: yes; [INFO] Using internal bootloader - 47112 bytes 20.45.57 # [INFO] Reading original firmware... 20.45.57 # [INFO] Wrote 6525440 bytes to firmware partition 20.45.57 DBUG Enqueued KICK t0dk0n 20.45.57 # [INFO] Bootloader installed successfully. 20.46.16 # t0dk0n: Do you get any messages from the bootloader when it's booting, or just the Apple logo, and then Rockbox? 20.46.39 # Apple Logs > rockbox 20.46.42 # logo* 20.46.56 Join Frode__ [0] (n=Frode@213.167.96.196) 20.47.23 # linuxstb: the first time it booted up after unplugging, it said 'cleared' after the Rockbox bootsplash though, if that helps 20.47.33 # but i think that might have to do with the database? 20.47.50 # Then I'm out of ideas - you're definitely running the new bootloader... Did you have the hold switch on as Rockbox was booting? 20.48.05 # linuxstb: http://pastebin.ca/395075 20.48.35 # it worked, I got a 51kb mi4 20.48.47 # That looks perfect. 20.50.19 # where is it going to find the unencrypted OF.bin to append to the bootloader? 20.50.23 Quit Frode_ (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 20.50.32 # would it find it on the drive in \SYSTEM\? 20.50.41 Join z0de [0] (i=z0de@80-194-233-59.cable.ubr01.enfi.blueyonder.co.uk) 20.50.41 Quit Ice8lue ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/2007021917]") 20.50.52 # linuxstb: hold switch was on the first time it booted up 20.51.03 # fucking toaster oven burned my sammach :( 20.51.03 # lol 20.51.05 # andrewg867: That's not important for this test - it will use the mi4 file currently there - i.e. your Rockbox bootloader. 20.51.10 Quit SirFunk (Connection timed out) 20.51.19 # oh ok, good enough 20.51.31 # andrewg867: When people use sansapatcher for real, they'll need to restore the original firmware first. 20.51.43 # (I'll add a check in sansapatcher to make sure it's there) 20.51.59 # it seems to have failed http://pastebin.ca/395081 20.52.30 Join BigD [0] (n=chatzill@24.231.43.99) 20.52.32 # OK, your Sansa should still be intact... 20.53.08 # Ah, I think I know why - Windows needs binary mode on files... 20.53.15 # yeah its still booting fine, I though so since it only failed at reading 20.53.45 Nick Frode__ is now known as Frode^ (n=Frode@213.167.96.196) 20.53.46 # There are lots of error checks in the code, so we should be OK. 20.53.59 # thats good, I will brb 20.55.21 Quit FOAD ("I'll be back") 20.57.15 # andrewg867: Updated win32 binary in the same place. 20.57.47 # (and source code) 20.58.05 Quit ompaul ("the /quit command") 20.59.13 Quit jac0b ("CGI:IRC") 20.59.36 Quit Ribs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.01.31 Quit ok (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.02.54 # 92% 21.03.15 # linuxstb: I just tried using the daily build, still gives me a data abort when I play music >_< 21.03.28 # maybe I'll try the previous daily build 21.03.49 Quit Amblin () 21.04.36 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 21.05.47 Join Jazzis [0] (i=41760b02@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-26b514affa694b2b) 21.06.03 # hmm... previous one just freezes on playback with no data abort 21.07.53 # installing now :D 21.08.19 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 21.08.20 # does rockbox has any form of on-screen display of current volume when adjusting it using PluginMpegplayer? 21.08.24 # t0dk0n: I think anyone else has reported a similar problem (apart from those people where upgrading the bootloader fixed it). 21.08.36 # Frode^: You can't adjust volume from within mpegplayer. 21.09.18 # t0dk0n: Maybe try checking your disk for errors? Do you frequently disconnect it without ejecting it in software? 21.09.41 # linuxstb, any idea what the volume controls could be for the sansa? i tried scrolling the wheel.. 21.09.55 # linuxstb: I think my kernel umounts it for me, but yes 21.10.26 # Frode^: No idea, I don't have a Sansa. 21.10.35 Join merwin [0] (n=merwin@72.86.29.230) 21.10.36 # linuxstb, mkay 21.11.59 Quit Jazzis ("CGI:IRC") 21.12.04 Join Jazzis [0] (i=41760b02@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-be6750ad4c44671e) 21.12.05 # I can't even exit the mpegplayer.. have to force shutdown 21.13.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.13.34 # if the music/audio for the mpg is still playing you can press the power/menu button to exuit 21.14.03 # linuxstb: hows does the ipodpatcher thing find you ipod anyway? 21.14.07 # if the audio has stopped (its way out of sync) then you either have to wait for it to finish or force shutdown 21.14.18 # is there source in it that I can make it locate my ipod for sure? 21.15.12 # Frode^: and also all you have to do is while you are in the now playing screen scroll the wheel, the current SVN init for the audio chip sets the DAC -> mixer gain too low so you might just have it up all the way but still not loud 21.15.32 # linuxstb: i'll redownload the zip now 21.15.48 # andrewg867: i could not lower the volume either.. 21.16.15 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m180.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 21.16.17 # weird, it's working fine for me 21.16.32 # does the dB level change at all? 21.17.41 # andrewg867: not at all 21.17.46 # Why the volume on sansa is so low? 21.17.58 # where is the keys defined for mpegplayer? 21.18.47 # Gnelik: because the AMS chip init sequence sets the DAV to Mixer gain too low 21.19.28 # andrewg867: What do you mean by "too low"? I'd set it so that the over-current protection didn't cut in at full volume 21.19.35 # linuxstb: it looked like it worked, http://pastebin.ca/395109 21.19.40 Join Domonoky_ [0] (n=Domonoky@p549ACF93.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.19.48 # t0dk0n: The source code is in the Rockbox SVN - the rbutil/ipodpatcher directory. But you definitely have the new bootloader installed - the older versions displayed messages when booting. 21.20.03 # andrewg867: Now for the real test - does it still boot... 21.20.21 # dan_a: it seems if i set it to 0x14 or 0x16 its loud enough to actually use but you cant turn it up all the way like you said 21.20.26 # linuxstb: so, there's just some sort of problem that no one knows? :P 21.20.33 # linuxstb: rebooting now 21.21.04 # t0dk0n: It seems to be a problem only on your ipod... How do you normally install a new build? 21.21.26 # linuxstb: oh, you mean those Rockbox bootloader.. etc etc. Linux like start up thingie? 21.21.29 # dan_a: I also found earler that if I set the volume (headphone gain) to 0dB it has better quality (sounds like the bass and treble are a bit better) 21.21.35 # t0dk0n: Yes. 21.21.42 # ah, I have those still 21.21.50 # Ah, then the bootloader upgrade didn't work... 21.21.56 # hehe 21.22.15 # dan_a: I was thinking to myself of maybe trying to implement a software volume control and leave the gains alone 21.22.17 # hmm, should my ipod be in that fdisk file in etc or something? 21.22.21 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 21.22.26 # linuxstb: it still boots :) 21.22.37 # andrewg867: Then hurray :) 21.22.58 # andrewg867: Could you try restoring the original mi4 file (i.e. uninstalling Rockbox), and then trying sansapatcher again? 21.23.29 # dan_a: also to match the other settings you might want to change the line, pp_i2c_send(AS3514_I2C_ADDR, DAC_L, 0x50) to pp_i2c_send(AS3514_I2C_ADDR, DAC_L, 0x40 | 0x10) 21.23.53 # linuxstb: let me find my original 1.3 mi4 21.24.13 # andrewg867: Probably :) I'll play with having software control the DAC level, and having a fixed headphone amplification 21.24.41 # it also gets distorted at low output volumes if you turn up the DAV gain too mich 21.24.45 # *DAC 21.25.47 # linuxstb: I tried installing the bootloader again, I take it that it worked this time since it didnt give me the info stuff 21.26.07 # yay and no data abort! =D 21.26.12 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 21.26.12 # * t0dk0n = dumbass 21.26.42 # That's good. It's weird that the first attempt failed though - the messages you pasted seemed to indicate that it had worked... 21.26.43 # I didn't do the ipodpatcher in root the first time :P 21.27.00 # hehe yeah 21.27.17 # I have a sansa E280, and when I install the Rockbox Firmware the first two or three lines at the top of the display, displays garbage. Is anyone else experiencing this problem? I reverted to to sansa's firmware and it didn't do it. then I tried different versions of the rockbox bootloader - still did it . Does anyone have any ideas? 21.27.41 # Jazzis: yes, it's a known issue 21.27.59 # linuxstb: Firmware update in progress 21.28.09 # i broke it, haha 21.28.14 # Oh good, I was afraid my unit was defective! 21.28.34 # Linuxstb: thanks much.. I wouldn't have found that bootloader hint on my own :P 21.28.37 # late 21.28.37 # r 21.28.45 Part t0dk0n 21.29.01 # andrewg867: What happened? 21.29.40 # i attempted to copy over just the 1.3 mi4 without the .rom bootloader 21.30.01 # what is the proper name for the 1.3 bootloader? 21.30.16 # I've no idea. 21.30.24 # 14 Mar 20:05Linus Nielsen Feltzing tools/configure [diff] 21.30.24 # Add support for building only the plugins by running "make rocks" 21.30.34 # Anyone know why the brickmania plugin is not included in the sansa build? probably needs some rescaling of the graphic files only..? 21.30.34 # JavaMan22: just for you 21.30.43 # :d 21.30.51 # LinusN: Nice... How about making a single rock? 21.31.00 Quit Gnelik (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.31.03 # yeh 21.31.15 # linuxstb: not that simple, since the makefiles are cascaded, i'll see what i can do 21.31.24 # 99% 21.31.29 # :D 21.32.33 # OMG 21.32.36 Join Larsie [0] (i=lars@53538563.cable.casema.nl) 21.32.39 # ITS STUCK ON 99% 21.32.58 # I know the feeling... That last 1% is the hardest. 21.33.07 # JavaMan22: it's apparently not your day today :-) 21.33.28 # linuxstb: i think i fixed it 21.33.38 # running... 21.33.39 # no package 21.33.41 # i'm now on only the sandisk 1.3 firmware 21.33.47 Part Larsie ("Ik ga weg") 21.33.51 # LinusN: I got the rhapsody to boot the rockbox firmware... flashed the decrypted and stripped rockbox.mi4 in e200tool recovery :) 21.33.59 # the filenames are in this post http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3225.msg63355#msg63355 21.34.01 Join Larsie [0] (i=lars@53538563.cable.casema.nl) 21.34.02 # omg 21.34.07 # merwin: damn cool! 21.34.20 # LinusN: doesn’t really boot or anything, but shows the rockbox bootloader 21.34.47 # You flashed Rockbox itself, or the Rockbox bootloader? 21.34.57 # merwin: cool nevertheless 21.35.02 # linuxstb: trying the sansapatcher now 21.35.11 Quit Larsie (Client Quit) 21.35.14 # yes im glad i didnt close it 21.35.19 # it is proceeding 21.35.31 # linuxstb: neither... i just flashed it into RAM... that’s what e200tool recovery does 21.35.44 # linuxstb: its broken again, http://pastebin.ca/395124 21.35.54 # you might need to put in the new 1.3 keys 21.36.38 # andrewg867: Yes, it only has one key at the moment... 21.36.50 # Is the 1.3 key the "sansa_gh" one? 21.36.57 # i think so 21.37.02 # linuxstb yeah 21.37.08 # OK, let me make a quick build with just that key... 21.37.21 # i got to go ill be back tomorrow 21.37.26 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 21.37.33 Part JavaMan22 21.37.40 # Oh dear, my Sansa seems stuck with the E200R firmware. I've tried e200tool on a different Sansa and it doesn't error on that one 21.37.42 Quit Jazzis ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 21.37.46 Quit Domonoky (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.38.47 # andrewg867: OK, zip file updated 21.39.12 # thanks 21.39.34 # does sansapatcher work at all yet? 21.39.54 # It seems to - andrewg867 is just testing it... 21.40.13 # that seems to work 21.40.20 # let me pastebin it 21.40.30 # running 1.3? 21.40.33 # http://pastebin.ca/395131 21.40.35 # yeah 21.40.48 # now to reboot and see what happens 21.41.43 # You should now have an unencrypted version of the firmware in that partition as well - so when the bootloader is updated, it will read it from there, instead of a file. 21.42.04 # and it lives! 21.42.34 # and you might want to make the rockbox bootloader fail back to OF.bin if it can't find the rockbox files on the disk 21.43.03 Quit lex (Nick collision from services.) 21.43.06 Join lex [0] (i=lex@evot.us) 21.43.11 Quit lex (Nick collision from services.) 21.43.20 # lilmonsta is now the bootup logo before rockbox now, I guess thats from the 1.3 bootloader 21.43.40 Join melter [0] (n=Melter@dyn248.iacc-tm4.ndsu.NoDak.edu) 21.44.36 # linuxstb: yuo might want to fix the index.html in the rockbox folder ;p http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ 21.45.09 # No, that's perfect... 21.45.38 # I only use that server as a temporary website to transfer files to people anyway. 21.46.43 Join topbloke [0] (i=top_blok@adsl-76-215-2-222.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) 21.46.57 # heh, well the patcher works perfectly for me at the moment. you might have to make two versions with different keys or maybe make it so if it fails with the first key try the second (1.3) 21.47.15 # Yes, I intend to make it try a list of keys, so we can update it in the future. 21.47.43 # has anyone started on an FM chip driver for the sansa yet? 21.48.08 Join lex_ [0] (i=lex@evot.us) 21.48.41 # I might try hacking one up but my C skills are severly lacking 21.49.12 # Attempting a real project is a good way to learn... 21.49.15 # and does anyone know if there is a way to turn off the scroll wheel leds? 21.49.31 # andrewg867: can you flash back to the old version of the firmware? Might want to try that too 21.49.40 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust435.brig.cable.ntl.com) 21.50.04 # can anyone help me make an ipod shutdown when the hold switch is activated? 21.50.45 # how many usec is one system tick in the sansa? 21.50.57 # which files to i need to get at 21.51.02 # or is that just a redundant question 21.51.37 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-126-083.pools.arcor-ip.net) 21.51.44 # usec is microseconds - 1 million ticks in a second. 21.52.28 # Sorry... The Rockbox system tick is 100Hz 21.52.40 # topbloke: Look in firmware/driver/button.c 21.52.46 # cool 21.52.53 Join jbauman [0] (n=jbauman@208.101.160.171.dynamic.dejazzd.com) 21.53.10 # i was lookin in apps and keymaps :( 21.54.11 Join inversions [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 21.55.24 # merwin: what do you mean? flash to version 1.2? 21.56.03 Quit voltagex () 21.58.18 # is www.ipodlinux.org timing out for anyone? 21.58.42 # yeah does for me 21.58.54 # same here 22.00.15 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/2007021917]") 22.01.32 Quit Hoffmann (Operation timed out) 22.02.01 # what format is rockbox.e200 in? 22.02.05 Join Jazzis [0] (i=41760b02@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5c8080b22c71a589) 22.02.36 Join Hoffmann [0] (n=ber@c-69-248-210-174.hsd1.de.comcast.net) 22.03.23 # dan_a: Apparently, mrh got an e200 to an e200r and back again, according to bagder 22.04.07 Join bluey^ [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-099-150.pools.arcor-ip.net) 22.05.49 # this dark secret little figure going under the codename mrh... 22.05.52 Quit JBGood (Connection timed out) 22.08.21 # does mrh ever log in to irc? 22.08.28 # nope 22.09.02 # merwin: It just has a simple 8-byte header. 22.09.16 # (containing a 32-bit checksum and the string "e200") 22.09.47 # preglow: How do you know? :) 22.10.03 Join ShaunES [0] (i=windmins@wikipedia/ShaunES) 22.10.04 # <]RowaN[> oh i guess im supposed to submit to the bug tracker instead of just spouting them off in here? im new to this internet thing 22.10.28 # Question: iPod 4th gen. Folders are in the form of Music\Album\track.mp3 with full ID3 tags. 22.10.40 # Is there any way to shuffle through ALL the albums, rather than shuffling the first one? 22.11.21 # linuxstb: haha 22.11.28 # Shuffle all is on, as well as auto-change directory. 22.12.00 # linuxstb: I mean, is it an arm binary? 22.12.08 # Yes. 22.12.23 Quit bluey^ ("Leaving") 22.12.24 # It's just loaded to the start of RAM, and then executed. 22.12.36 # A raw binary. 22.13.37 Quit OgMaciel ("mv OgMaciel $HOME") 22.13.45 Quit bluey- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.13.58 # <]RowaN[> ive reached that special age where everyone ignores me perhaps 22.14.12 # <]RowaN[> im only 26! 22.14.24 # Anyone know how to do what I want? 22.14.29 # <]RowaN[> my mother told me there'd be days like this =/ 22.14.32 # linuxstb: So, could the sansa firmware technically be executed by the rockbox bootloader if you add that header to a decrypted/stripped sansa firmware? 22.14.58 # :( 22.15.05 # ]RowaN[: well, you can discuss the issue here and make sure it's a bug 22.15.14 # then you submit it to the tracker 22.15.30 # merwin: I think it already does that - it can load the "OF.bin" file. 22.15.46 # linuxstb: I’m just pondering ideas :) 22.16.04 # merwin: Contemplating replacing the Sansa bootloader with the Rockbox bootloader? 22.16.05 # <]RowaN[> ok thanks. i mentioned some stuff above but no one replied yet.. i guess its all logged anyway 22.16.19 # the weekday thing? 22.16.36 # my rockbox shows the wrong weekday on the WPS 22.16.53 # today is like monday or sometihng :p 22.17.12 # <]RowaN[> yeah, and well maybe its too early in the port to be be asking, but i just wondered if anyone else was aware that midi was not working on sansa.. not that it should be working at this early stage heh 22.17.17 # * linuxstb didn't even know Rockbox had a weekday tag... 22.17.26 # <]RowaN[> hoho 22.17.40 # * linuxstb goes to read the manual 22.17.49 Join rotator [0] (n=e@rockbox/developer/rotator) 22.18.18 # <]RowaN[> its cool that rockbox can have time and date on WPS.... sansa OF shows time, but only seems to be at boot... once you start playing a song you can never get back to the screen showing the time again (unless you go into the settings to reset the time) 22.19.01 # a abbreviated weekday name (Sun..Sat) 22.19.46 # <]RowaN[> i thought it was odd that theres no option to show a non abreviated weekday name.. but maybe im splitting hairs now 22.20.05 # yeah you are :p 22.20.56 # The letters are probably the same as those used by the standard strftime() function 22.21.30 # Ah yes, the CustomWPS page says so - it's a subset of the Unix date command. 22.21.47 # topbloke, ]RowaN[: You're both on Sansas? 22.21.54 # <]RowaN[> i could you could always use a WPS condition if u wanted the full name.. if a=Sun then print sunday or wotever (<- worst pseudo code ever) 22.21.59 # linux: is the hold switch defined as a button? i see a #define POWEROFF_BUTTON BUTTON_PLAY. can i just change that to be hold? 22.22.09 # im on ipod video 22.22.14 # topbloke: No it's not - it's a function which returns true or false. 22.22.28 Join bonbonthejon [0] (n=jon@69.61.203.3) 22.22.33 # oh 22.22.36 # <]RowaN[> sansa yes 22.22.58 # you have to call it all the time to find out if its on hold? 22.23.50 # topbloke: There is a button thread which checks the button status N times a second and reports button change events. You could check the button hold status in there, and shut down Rockbox if hold is on. 22.24.10 # <]RowaN[> my gorgeous beta WPS with Day/Date http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/2025/sansarowangv7.jpg =] 22.24.15 # hmmm, %cac works in the simulator... 22.24.18 # thats done in button.c? 22.24.38 # I guess the problem is the weekday calculation in drivers/rtc/rtc_as3514.c 22.25.27 # <]RowaN[> LinusN: mine works in the sim too.. see in the screenshot it says Sun 11th... sunday WAS the 11th. But on real hardware thats when theres an error 22.26.11 # aha, the as3514 rtc is a simple seconds counter, nice 22.26.21 Part perl|work 22.26.34 # <]RowaN[> while we're talking sansa.. is the Flip LCD option missing on the sansa port for a reason? i'd like to flip the LCD coz i have it around my neck and its more convenient upside down 22.27.00 # Is there any way to shuffle through every song on my player even when they're in different albums? 22.27.03 # Like, folders. 22.27.04 # ]RowaN[: lots of functionality is missing on the sansa for a reason - we simply haven't implemented it yet 22.27.32 Join Frode_ [0] (n=Frode@213.167.96.196) 22.27.40 # <]RowaN[> sounds logical 22.27.42 # ShaunES: You'll need to create a playlist containing all tracks, and then shuffle that playlist. 22.27.51 # Mmm 22.27.54 # You can create such a playlist in Rockbox. 22.27.55 # Easy enough. 22.28.01 # <]RowaN[> you dont need to do that... 22.28.06 # I can? How? 22.28.23 # ShaunES: I think just go to the Playlist menu, and select "create playlist". 22.28.24 # <]RowaN[> all my songs are in different folders and i have a shuffle mode enabled that skips through the folders to all the tracks 22.29.09 Quit Frode^ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.29.11 # Ahh that's better. 22.29.15 # Thanks linuxstb :) 22.29.33 # Taking a while to create the m3u :P 22.30.02 # <]RowaN[> hmm cant find the setting on my sansa.. it was there on my h120 which i sold last week 22.31.19 Join lavid [0] (n=lavid@ppp-70-225-177-76.dsl.chmpil.ameritech.net) 22.31.32 # dan_a: you there? 22.31.37 # yeah just make one playlist 22.31.40 # lavid: I am 22.31.43 # oops 22.32.10 Quit desowin ("use linux") 22.32.19 # dan_a: i took apart my sansa (not entirely) and took some pics of the ver info and such. would that be useful in determining the cause of the LCD glitch? 22.32.20 # how do you get the i2c.bin from a device? 22.32.25 # linux do you know where that button thread is in code? 22.32.55 # topbloke: Yes, the file I pointed you to - firmware/drivers/button.c 22.33.17 # The button_tick() function is the function that's called lots of times a second. 22.33.31 # lavid: the lcd glitch is caused by an unfinished lcd driver.. 22.33.52 # lavid: It might be - if you post them on the forum thread then I will take my Sansa apart later and see if I can see any difference. I'll come up with some test code in a day or two and get you to try it 22.34.07 # Frode_: lavid's problem is different 22.34.07 # Frode_: I understand that. But it might be useful to see why some have it and others don't 22.34.17 # right-o thanks for the help 22.34.39 # ah.. sorry then 22.35.01 # dan_a: I'll post it in a few minutes 22.35.12 # so the lcd glitches are not for all sansa users? 22.35.29 # Frode_: depends on what you're talking about 22.35.29 # thats new info for me 22.35.43 Join _Amblin [0] (n=Osiris@udp124072uds.hawaiiantel.net) 22.35.48 # Frode_: there is a line of junk at the top of some of the screens 22.35.50 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=9282.0 22.35.56 # Frode_: There are two LCD problems - the flickering and the line at the top of the screens 22.36.02 # <_Amblin> horrah 22.36.16 # ok ok. i only have the flickering problem then 22.36.21 # <_Amblin> TMPGEnc 4 makes perfect .mpg files. 22.37.11 # _Amblin: Is that free? 22.37.25 # linuxstd: no 22.37.26 # i think I may have just bricked my sansa 22.37.28 # e200r 22.37.35 # erm... linuxstb 22.37.51 # <_Amblin> merwin: Recovery mode work? 22.38.33 # _Amblin: e200tool will recognize it and write to it, but when it executes from e200tool recovery it just comes up as “USB Device” 22.38.36 # * jhMikeS wonders if it's ok if he adds the Coldfire i2c "driver throttle"...the slowest it would run is 282.24kHz at CPUFREQ_DEFAULT instead of the current 35.28kHz. 22.38.56 # _Amblin: I tried writing the i2c.bin from an e260 into the e280r 22.39.16 # linuxstb: looks like i was wrong. it's now free 22.39.38 # lavid: Then a tutorial for using it with Rockbox would be a nice addition to the wiki.... 22.39.49 # <_Amblin> Ugh. 22.40.16 # linuxstb: i'd only be able to write it if it runs under wine... talk to _Amblin 22.40.19 Join datachild [0] (i=krebb@hide.my.ip-adress.org) 22.40.33 Quit datachild` ("let us take all from the one and the other") 22.40.55 # linuxstb: but i do remember it was a very good program from my windows days 22.41.15 # I've never used it, but have only read good things about it. 22.41.31 # jhMikeS: why? 22.42.04 # linuxstb: it looks like the ver. _Amblin was talking about is not free. 22.42.07 # preglow: cause it runs at a clock divider rate set for CPUFREQ_MAX at all times 22.42.28 # jhMikeS: the 5249 is not (officially) designed to run > 100kHz 22.42.31 # so it currently runs slower than it needs to? 22.42.45 # <_Amblin> TMPGEnc 4 is not free, Im using a trial right now. 22.42.51 # <_Amblin> But it does indeed work. 22.43.18 Quit kaaloo ("Leaving.") 22.43.19 # We're sure doing it though...doesn't seems to be problematic and switching it never presented any problems either. 22.43.26 # _Amblin: I’m pretty sure I’m screwed :) 22.43.36 # <_Amblin> Its just Ive been through a whole voley of programs in the past few days, some were missing res controls, others no MP3 audio. 22.44.05 # linuxstb: seems to run under wine... the free ver. 22.44.27 # <_Amblin> merwin: You've tried the regular Recovery mode? Hold switch+ record button on startup? 22.44.57 Quit Entasis (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.45.14 # _Amblin: Yea... nothing comes on... the only thing that will recognize it is e200tool, but i’m not sure how to get it fixed from that... the normal methods aren’t wroking. 22.45.25 # _Amblin: Even the blue light isn’t coming on :) 22.46.00 # <_Amblin> merwin: Ouch...hope Badger will be able to assist you... 22.46.18 # Seems we're running it way overclocked (388.08kHz at CPUFREQ_MAX) 22.46.24 Quit midgey () 22.46.37 Quit Ribs2 ("eh eh ehhhh!") 22.47.15 Join carp [0] (i=95e13c29@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-11791b95ec337590) 22.47.15 # _Amblin: Yeah. When i power it on normally, the blue ring flashes for about 1/8 of a second and then goes off.. the device is powered on, but shows no signs of life. I have to hold power for 15 seconds for it to turn off... 22.47.17 # bbiab 22.47.26 Join valiant [0] (n=Miranda@ACA7EC61.ipt.aol.com) 22.47.36 # other CPU frequencies actually would have 282.24, and 352.80. 22.47.43 # <_Amblin> Bye. 22.47.53 # Someone with svn commit priveleges here? 22.48.45 # jhMikeS: How do you solve the problem that MFDR(2) must not be changed while a transmission is running? 22.49.00 # I look at the commit from 14 Mar 17:19 and see that the comment is not very accurate there. The logo is shown not for 1.5 but for about 3 secs 22.49.01 # it doesn't, it's changed when CPU frequency changes 22.49.06 Join niskel [0] (n=niskel@fctnnbsc15w-156034084025.nb.aliant.net) 22.49.33 # CPU speed isn't changed during interrupts...unless a UIE occurs 22.49.34 # ?? 22.49.39 # Can some one correct this pls? 22.49.53 # dan_a: okay, pics are up. i got to get going. bye 22.49.57 # jhMikeS: UDA/TLV i2c doesn't happen during interrupts 22.50.03 # lavid: Thank you 22.50.06 # right 22.50.08 Part lavid 22.51.00 # ...and afaik the i2c driver yields while waiting for completion of the current byte transfer. While it is doing that, another thread might cause a frequency change 22.51.03 # It can't be in the middle of transmitting anything since the driver doesn't during a transfer (nor would it be safe) 22.51.44 # We had problems due to this, that's why LinusN (iirc) disabled MFDR changes 22.51.54 # All of you very busy? 22.52.19 # not me i'm just listening :p 22.53.16 # It was me who changed the i2c speed to be near 400kHz at CPUFREQ_MAX (which isn't officially supported by the 5249). It was only ~100kHz before, leading to a speed of only ~9kHz at CPUFREQ_DEFAULT 22.53.21 # I would think yielding without completion would be dangerous since another thread could intervene and start something else during the yield. There are no yields in that driver. 22.53.29 # carp: Thanks, I'll fix it... 22.54.00 # But even with the lower speed there were no significant performance problems 22.54.32 # So there's no real reason to adjust MFDR. It probably causes more problems than it would solve 22.54.34 # carp: Done. 22.54.53 # true, now it's overclock, not complaining, and some slightly lower frequencies have given no difficulties 22.55.33 # It's not strictly overclocked. 400kHz is the specified maximum for i2c 22.55.34 # It would never be changed while transferring anything 22.56.26 # The 5249 manual doesn't mention 400kHz at all, and the 5250 manual says that it won't work with too long lines or similar 22.57.27 # This M5L is awesome. Almost 39 hours and still running 22.57.27 # not complaining so far for any targets 22.58.07 # holy smokes, 39 hoursa 22.58.26 Join lukaswayne9 [0] (n=lukas@68.84.69.12) 22.58.43 # amiconn: Any idea what the original firmware claims? 22.58.50 # 35 hours 22.58.52 # * jhMikeS thinks his ears would whither and fall off wearing headphones that long 22.58.53 Quit lukaswayne9 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.59.09 # But I think this is just copied from the X5L, which needs more power 22.59.12 # good for camping trips though :) 22.59.14 Join lukaswayne9 [0] (n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 22.59.48 # amiconn: So you now have both an M5 and M5L? 23.00.00 # neither 23.00.23 # I have an X5 myself, and pixelma has an M5L 23.01.03 # Ah, OK. I thought you ported to an M5. 23.01.41 # The only difference between L and non-L is that the L has a second, larger battery, connected in parallel to the standard one 23.01.43 # amiconn: I posted a (very rough) patch for x5 ticking in FS#6815. There's build there too. I'd be curious to know how much it helps it out for you (for 124MHz since that's all it covers atm). 23.02.43 # amiconn: Does 100UKP (146 EUR) seem a good price for an M5L (there's one on ebay.co.uk at the moment)... 23.02.48 # It seems there isn't even a way to distinguish L and non-L versions in firmware 23.03.06 # (brand new) 23.04.03 # Ah, only a 20GB model... 23.04.07 # linuxstb: Hehe, it's not one. There are 2 from a set of 20 (ebay shop, mp3direct) 23.04.25 # One of those is the one sitting on my desk now :) 23.04.44 # :) So that's the price you paid? 23.05.05 # Not me. pixelma did 23.05.22 # Sorry, that's what I meant... 23.05.24 # It's hers, and I'll give it back when done with the basic porting stuff 23.05.25 Quit niskel (Remote closed the connection) 23.05.42 # I also need to find a solution for the charger. Those weird UK power plugs... 23.06.33 # linuxstb: The L models (both M5 and X5) are only available with single platter disks 23.06.48 Quit midkay (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.07.28 # * linuxstb should stop messing about with targets he doesn't own and work on the av300 23.07.34 # This is because there are just 2 different cases: one for single platter + standard battery, and another one for either dual platter + standard battery *or* single platter + extra battery 23.07.40 # * preglow whispers "elio"! 23.07.54 # :> 23.08.00 # * linuxstb hides under Linus's rock 23.08.18 # I just saw where somebody fixed the audio for the sansa e200, wonder if it works decently now after it's installed 23.08.24 # The X5 is available as 20GB and 30GB (thin case), and 60GB (thick case). The X5L is only availabe as 20GB and 30GB 23.08.28 # i've got a rock strapped to my back for convenience 23.08.59 Quit Jazzis ("CGI:IRC") 23.09.35 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 23.10.03 Quit topbloke ("bye") 23.10.24 # anyone with a h1xx want to do a quick test? 23.10.24 # heh I plugged my sansa e200 into a usb power charger port on my laptop's external battery last night and when I got up this mourning the sansa e200's battery was dead 23.10.27 Quit Id2ndR ("Parti") 23.10.41 # linuxstb: I think it's a good price, given what H1x0s go for on ebay, and considering the really long battery runtime 23.10.48 # nls: what exactly do you need? 23.11.01 # ]RowaN[: regarding the weekday, was it one off? 23.11.03 # <_Amblin> valiant: Thats no fun. 23.11.24 # lol 23.11.27 # carp: just bring up the delete+ screen for a file and see what it says for the Yes button 23.11.28 # <_Amblin> valiant: The player isnt damaged, is it? 23.11.32 # +/? 23.11.37 # <_Amblin> valiant: It just failed to charge? 23.11.42 # no it seams to be working just fine 23.11.55 # <_Amblin> valiant: Thats good. 23.12.04 # I left my computer charging it a bit on the buss today and it's doing fine, mom told me my battery didn't have any bars in it when I got it fired up this morning 23.12.11 # nls: what's "delete+"? How can I bring that up? 23.12.44 # where are the sansa GPIO memory addresses defined in the rockbox source? 23.12.45 # I mean jus try to delete a file and it will ask you "delete?" and tell me what it says to press to confirm 23.12.48 # preglow: would you be willing to test a radio patch for TEA5767? It helps with scanning and audio presets for me alot and quiets the radio screen down but I'm curious if it might somehow negatively affect other FM regions or something (probably not). 23.13.00 # andrewg867: firmware/export/pp5020.h 23.13.01 # <_Amblin> valiant: You might consider getting one of these if you want an external portable charger: http://www.amazon.com/PPC-Techs-Sync-Battery-Adaptor/dp/B000F1ULS0/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-3408053-8798302?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1173634824&sr=8-1 23.13.15 # I guess you can't charge sansa e200s using standard usb slots, eithe that or external battery wont' charge both that and my laptop at the same time 23.13.15 # dan_a: thanks 23.13.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.13.48 # <_Amblin> valiant: Did you remember to hold the power button until the charging animation came up? 23.14.01 # nls: NAVI = yes, Any Other = No. As of yesterday. 23.14.04 # no. heh 23.14.05 # <_Amblin> valiant: And were you trying to charge the player while running Rockbox? 23.14.13 # carp: thanks! 23.14.22 # no. I'm still waiting on rockbox to be ready to rock 23.14.30 # nls: what would you expect? 23.14.44 # <_Amblin> valiant: There's your problem right there, valiant :) The player turns off even after you've plugged the player in. 23.14.47 # and as I didn't have rockbox, I was using original firmware which of course has no speech access 23.14.48 # It definitely works better than x5 OF which can't find station to save it's life. 23.15.42 # linuxstb: In fact I could do "plain M5" runtime tests with the L. The extra battery is easy to disconnect, it's plugged 23.15.43 # jhMikeS: patch? 23.15.52 # can make one up real quick 23.17.23 Part carp 23.18.13 # carp: I expected it to read like that, but someone reported a bug in the tracke saying it read NEXT = Yes on his h100 (that string is for the h10) so i guess he somehow got the wrong .lng file installed 23.18.21 # dan_a: when you do a GPIOx_ENABLE = 0x80 does that make the pin go high? 23.18.47 # oh, some of the mails we have to endure... 23.18.54 Join roolku [0] (n=roolku@82-41-2-141.cable.ubr01.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 23.18.55 Part Domonoky_ 23.19.18 # jhMikeS: tea5767? that's what's in h120? 23.19.20 # jhMikeS: if so, sure 23.19.25 # yes 23.19.27 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/MichaelSevakis?rev=1;filename=fm-radio-reception.patch 23.19.28 # i believe my rockbox setup works again now 23.19.40 # jhMikeS: my Ondio has the same chip 23.20.10 # jhMikeS: #if CONFIG_TUNER != TEA5767 <== wrong test 23.20.15 # CONFIG_TUNER is a bitmask 23.20.19 # it adds some size though 23.20.29 # does anybody know if the sansa e200 works well with the speech from the rockbox yet? 23.20.36 # yes...I must have had a reason though 23.20.44 # will check that 23.20.50 # andrewg867: GPIOx_ENABLE turns the port on, OUTPUT_EN enables it for output, and OUTPUT_VAL sets the pin high 23.21.08 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B15A5B.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.21.17 # jhMikeS: In order to work correctly on Ondio, you'll probably need some extra conditions 23.21.34 # as long as a slight increase there is acceptable 23.21.35 # Ondio can have one of 2 different tuner chips, autodetected at runtime 23.21.41 # preglow: you mean the ipod shuffle question? :-P 23.21.50 # That's the reason for CONFIG_TUNER being a bitmask 23.22.13 # LinusN: y e s 23.22.13 # I am aware of that and will check the conditional test 23.22.33 # LinusN: that's one of the nicest blatant disregards for rules i've seen in a while... 23.22.33 # Archos fm recorder (and some v2 recorders) have the samsung tuner, Ondio can have either samsung or philips, irivers have philips etc 23.22.52 # and it's a bleeding top post to boot 23.23.01 # dan_a: how do you select the pin on the GPIO port? 23.23.10 # preglow: those blind folks... 23.23.16 # yeah, that's not right 23.23.23 # LinusN: right 23.23.59 # that condition should be changed 23.24.39 # andrewg867: You set the pins using the bits that you write... so GPIOA_OUTPUT_VAL=0x1 sets pin 0 and clears all the others 23.24.42 # how do we read the Samsung regs anyway? They were "displayed" but only -1 was returned all the time 23.25.19 # ? 23.25.25 # dan_a: thanks much :) 23.25.35 # andrewg867: You're welcome :D 23.25.55 # samsung_get didn't actually have a case for FMRADIO_ALL (and I _don't_ think I removed it :) 23.26.03 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@adsl-69-209-111-47.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) 23.27.37 # case RADIO_ALL: /* debug query */ 23.27.42 Join mike__ [0] (n=mike@c-71-234-95-131.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) 23.27.54 # I.e. it's just for debugging, and the samsung driver simply doesn't have that 23.28.44 Nick mike__ is now known as BigMac (n=mike@c-71-234-95-131.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) 23.29.12 # ok, no point having code for those details then on that 23.29.48 # or would it just be too weighty to add? 23.29.55 # jhMikeS: k, so all should be as usual? 23.30.24 # preglow: I hope it runs better than the usual actually. ;) 23.30.28 # jhMikeS: Maybe we don't even need FMRADIO_ALL for philips anymore 23.30.40 # The samsung driver is way older than the philips 23.30.41 # I removed it and put in a debug function 23.30.45 # jhMikeS: i wouldn't know about that, though, don't use the radio too often 23.31.07 # (although it was split into 2 layers when the philips was added) 23.31.17 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 23.31.22 # last time i used the radio was in england last summer 23.31.23 # heh 23.31.39 # heh my sansa's radio seams to be decent 23.31.41 # For philips I used the app notes for the chip as guide on what to do 23.32.02 # <_Amblin> Yes, fairly decent quality considering the size of the player 23.33.20 # As far as catching stations I could loosen up the hit criteria a bit since I'd rather hit a few false ones than miss legit ones 23.34.03 # And the 5767 does always seem to know too well what it's got going on 23.34.55 Quit ender` (" Consultation, n. Medical term meaning "to share the wealth."") 23.35.57 # how do i switch this biotch to preset mode? 23.35.59 # grah 23.36.38 # hold the play button long 23.37.20 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.37.48 # eh? that just mutes here 23.37.58 # hold it longer 23.38.15 # then the stereo/mono thing starts flickering like mad 23.38.16 # and that's that 23.38.26 # ?? 23.38.56 # odd 23.39.11 # just looks like the mono/stero thing switches 23.39.20 # then again and again if i keep it down 23.39.33 # that's just bizzarre 23.39.48 # I'll double check my H120 23.40.10 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@84-255-206-8.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) 23.40.11 # It shouldn't update more than once per second unless the screen needs drawing 23.40.42 # well 23.40.59 # is it possible it found no presets? 23.41.18 # possible, but it should if you've got stations 23.41.24 # the stereo mono display is rEALLY erratic 23.41.36 # it toggles off and on each second 23.41.40 # audio stays constant 23.42.08 # i've get tons of stations 23.42.27 # Hmmm...x5 was well behaved. I actually didn't recheck the iRiver cause it ran ok there months ago. I did have to resync it though. 23.42.53 # well, so far, scan seems slower as well 23.43.05 # does it give any indications as to how much it found at the end of the scan? 23.43.39 # It should be slower, it was way too fast 23.43.42 Join safetydan [0] (i=cbca159f@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 23.43.51 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 23.43.57 # ok ... what do you think about displaying the version information from the version menu entry instead of the credits plugin? 23.44.01 # jhMikeS: Do you really think switching to 11MHz is a good idea? The UI crawls at 11MHz on X5 and H300, and even more with the remote connected 23.44.19 # that makes it possible showing the version information even if the credits plugin is missing or outdated 23.44.22 # http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/pastebin/46 23.44.29 # On H1x0 and M5 without remote plugged it might be ok 23.44.38 # barely 23.44.41 # it feels sluggish 23.44.46 # like if keeping left/right pressed 23.44.48 # apparently something is goofed on compiling H120, I'm getting what preglow is saying. 23.44.52 # after releasing, it goes on for a while 23.45.16 # 11MHz actually makes more noise on x5 than 45 23.45.16 Part LinusN 23.45.23 # I also wonder how this works on a samsung-equipped target 23.45.39 # Hmm, Linus left... :( 23.45.41 # I'd better straighten out the iRiver bit :) 23.46.54 Quit |Rincewind| ("Cya") 23.47.03 # bluebrother: I would like that. 23.47.15 # amiconn: you checked it on iAudio? 23.47.22 # nope 23.47.50 Quit BHSPitLappy (Remote closed the connection) 23.47.56 # I'm not even sure I understand what this patch should do... 23.48.04 # well, something went goofy so I'll straighten it out 23.48.24 # Radio already worked very well on all targets where I tried it 23.48.25 # Keeps the FMRadio screen less active and helps with scanning 23.48.52 # * amiconn doesn't use the radio often, and never uses scanning 23.48.54 # It misses legitimate stations all the time for me 23.49.15 # Just loading .fmr files is quick & simple 23.49.23 # x5 reception isn't so good in his current state imho 23.49.26 # bluebrother: Why not just make Version and Credits separate options? Or maybe move the version display into "Rockbox Info" ? 23.49.56 # linuxstb: I thought about that too, but the Rockbox Info doesn't have enough room (at least on some archos devices) 23.50.30 # "Rockbox Info" seems a bad name for that option - it's more like "System info" in my mind. 23.50.41 # indeed. 23.50.42 Quit FOAD ("Lost terminal") 23.51.05 # but that screen could be improved IMO. Then it could also hold the version string. 23.51.07 # x5 does have trouble with reception, the radio implementation is iRivers is definitely better 23.51.19 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 23.51.24 # * amiconn had the opposite impression 23.51.40 # Reception is quite good on H300 and X5, but not so good on H1x0 23.51.45 # Bagder: it seems the lang build system matches the h100 build target to h10 specific strings in english.lang when the h10 string comes after the h100 specific one or if the h100 uses the default. see fs#6830 23.51.57 # I'm looking at that right now 23.52.09 # ah, nice :-) 23.53.27 # are there any objections to committing http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6831 23.53.30 # same as jhmikeS here, better reception on my h100 than x5, and IIRC the x5 OF handled better reception 23.53.54 # Interesting 23.54.26 # Note that I don't know how any OF handles radio reception, as I never used it 23.54.30 # (for radio) 23.54.41 # Moos: yes, but couldn't scan worth a crap :) 23.55.06 # roolku: Personally, I would find that annoying - I do on other devices which do that. If the RTC is wrong, I'll see it on the display, and fix it when I want to. 23.55.07 # amiconn always has the oposite experience as everyone else :) 23.55.17 # roolku: is this really needed? I guess some people are ok with a wrong time and would find that annoying 23.55.24 # nls: can you try this patch http://pastebin.ca/395309 ? 23.55.33 # jhMikeS: hehe :) 23.56.00 # roolku: But you're saying that on the gigabeat, turning the battery switch off clears the RTC? 23.56.06 # fair enough - I just got fed up with having to walk through all the menus to set the time after a restart 23.56.07 # my mini tends to completely loose power sometimes which also clears the rtc value. I wouldn't like to be required to set it every time 23.56.11 # linuxstb: yes 23.56.13 # this flipflopping Mono/Stereo is a bit odd though ... months ago this worked so something goofed in resync 23.57.02 # roolku: Presetting with the build date sounds like a good idea, but the screen popping up on startup if time isn't set would be very annoying even though it wouldn't happen often 23.57.18 Quit _Amblin (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.57.28 # But thinking about it, it would only take one key press to get rid of that screen... 23.57.29 # jhMikeS: i think i get that on the sansa 23.57.42 # linuxstb: I was just about to say that :) 23.57.51 # Scanning in svn will always miss one of the premier and most powerful stations in my area...not good 23.58.00 # linuxstb: as soon as a 'valid' time is entered it doesn't ask again 23.58.00 # bluebrother: Didn't have that on my mini2g yet, but its rtc is rather imprecise 23.58.01 # when i'm playing jewels or some other plugin the audio goes weird, its hard to explain 23.58.46 # philips outlines specific procedure for doing it and so I basically implemented that and tuned it a bit 23.58.49 # roolku : did you copy on the original firmware of the gigabeat ;) 23.58.51 # amiconn: I suspect the battery to have some problems. Works fine most of the time but if the problem will appear more often I guess I should try to get a replacement battery 23.58.53 # Bagder: ok, will try 23.58.53 # roolku: It's urely a rather bad idea regarding blind operation