--- Log for 16.03.107 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 14 days and 18 hours ago 00.00.22 Part merwin 00.01.07 # a file from svn has keybords Author Date Id Revison here 00.01.15 # keywords too 00.01.46 # I've found it in the logs (thanks to amiconn) - svn propset svn:keywords "Author Date Id Revision" followed by a commit 00.04.35 # did amiconn's m5l eventually die? 00.04.52 # I think he said about 51 hours... 00.05.00 # wow! 00.05.05 # hole shit 00.05.08 # It should be in the logs 00.05.15 # that's quite insane 00.05.29 # Indeed. It's about the same as all my DAPs combined... 00.06.18 # 19:48:42 amiconn M5L runtime test result: 51:57 ! 00.06.30 # * linuxstb wonders what H140+ipodcolor+ipodvideo+Recv1+gigabeat will give 00.06.39 Join merwin [0] (n=merwin@72.86.29.230) 00.07.09 # i won't put any bets on my h120 + nano combo 00.09.29 Quit merwin ("Leaving.") 00.12.23 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 00.12.54 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@adsl-67-64-104-30.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 00.14.12 Quit entheh ("^~") 00.15.34 Join saratoga [0] (i=9803c398@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b2ca2fd7ad99b888) 00.15.50 Part JavaMan22 00.16.03 # i see toni updated the sansa emulator 00.16.08 # anyone played with it? 00.16.22 # i'm curious if it can decode files properly in rockbox 00.16.24 Join webguest46 [0] (i=425dac13@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-44709d25fdd881e7) 00.16.45 # or if it still fills up the pcm buffer and then stalls 00.17.42 Join pearldiver [0] (n=say@cpe-72-225-231-80.nyc.res.rr.com) 00.22.04 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.22.21 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57b9620b.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.23.43 Quit petur ("sssssssssss---------PLOP!") 00.23.51 Quit perldiver (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.27.36 # * linuxstb waits for barrywardell to test sansapatcher with his bootloader... 00.28.21 Join Stalwart^ [0] (n=stalwart@ip-10.154.Home-Lan.FastNet.lv) 00.28.30 # almost ready... 00.28.41 # linuxstb: will sansapatcher be easier or harder than ipodpatcher? 00.28.47 # Identical. 00.29.23 # Although it requires current Sansa users to restore the original firmware (i.e. remove the Rockbox bootloader) first. 00.30.17 # not much of a problem 00.30.18 Quit donvito ("AnacønÐa · "It is much harder to find a job than to keep one"") 00.31.35 Join JavaMan22 [0] (n=Owner@c-24-61-91-138.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) 00.31.47 # i finally compiled it :D 00.31.58 # but now i dont see my test.rock anywhere >:o 00.32.13 # i put test.c in apps/plugins 00.32.34 Part toffe82 00.32.53 # linuxstb: you going to merge them into pppatcher? 00.33.53 # No, they're quite different inside. 00.34.03 # oh well :p 00.34.30 # Although Domonoky should be able to incorporate sansapatcher into rbutil quite easily. 00.34.39 # JavaMan22: have you updated plugins/SOURCES ? 00.35.39 # haha 00.35.44 Join Redbreva [0] (n=chatzill@host86-143-232-229.range86-143.btcentralplus.com) 00.36.20 # oh wait 00.36.29 Quit ctaf ("Leaving.") 00.36.33 # thanks a ton 00.36.37 # you too linuxstb 00.37.19 # i'll take that as a no 00.39.13 Quit Stalwart (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.39.41 Nick Stalwart^ is now known as Stalwart (n=stalwart@ip-10.154.Home-Lan.FastNet.lv) 00.40.05 Quit ]RowaN[ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.40.13 Quit ender` (" Asembler: You try to shoot yourself in the foot, only to discover you must first invent the gun, the bullet, the trigger, an) 00.40.21 # jeezus i better get used to this no new line at the end of file error 00.43.23 # hey, can someone help me with this? I'm trying to figure out how do write to a register on the LV24020LP, I think I have figured out all the read/write bit code but I can't seem to find where in this datasheet (http://www.semiconductor-sanyo.com/ds_e/ENA0070.pdf) it tells me what bits to put on the line to specify the register and what data to put in it 00.45.01 # <_Amblin> Does anyone know if the voice for the e200 works yet? 00.45.18 # Yes, it should do. 00.46.24 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@p549AD508.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.46.46 Part JavaMan22 00.49.43 Quit topbloke ("bye") 00.52.05 Quit muesli__ ("ich will Kühe!!!") 00.57.38 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.00.34 # http://nicolas.pennequin.free.fr/call_graph.png 01.00.46 # am I right to think this is a complete mess ? 01.01.05 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 01.01.39 # Nico_P: which tool did you use to make that graph? 01.02.00 # nls: it's a feature of KScope 01.02.08 # aha 01.02.08 # which uses Cscope 01.02.33 # would my tuner_read_bit() work? http://aliant.ath.cx/~andrew/sansa/lv24020lp.c 01.04.26 Join Dwyloc [0] (i=53688643@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f3b0e79fb01413b8) 01.05.28 # Can I ask how I go about trying to get my changes adding Audio playback control to the Solitaire plugin committed ? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6790 01.05.43 # Its only a very small 3 or 4 line change put as a solitaire addict I find it very useful to be able to still control my music playback on my dap without exiting my current game. 01.06.14 Part Redbreva 01.07.02 # (i'd be glad to commit it if nobody else speaks up) 01.07.42 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@cpe-74-71-205-222.twcny.res.rr.com) 01.07.57 # so no one has any comments on my code? :P 01.08.26 # andrewg867: not sure if anyone around is able to.. what are you asking? why don't you try it and check? :) 01.08.37 # Thanks that would be really appreciated. 01.09.45 # midkay: it's somewhat of a general C question, did i create the tuner_read_bit function correctly to return the bit? 01.10.26 # and I really have no clue on what the 'static inline' part does either ;) 01.10.48 # i'm just learning as I go and borrowing code from other parts of Rockbox 01.10.53 # andrewg867: static inline void? not sure how inline stuff works.. but you need to have the function an int to return an int (like static inline int read_tuner_bit).. 01.11.24 # also 'bit = GPIOH_INPUT_VAL;' would work? 01.11.36 # not sure how that will work out though. you're dealing more with the core parts of rockbox that i know very little about.. sorry. might try the static inline int thing, else i can't help much. 01.11.37 # I would have to define bit as an int then right? 01.12.10 # well, is GPIOH_INPUT_VAL an int or number? then it should be int bit. 01.12.14 Quit ompaul ("quitted gone not here") 01.12.20 # thanks for your help anyway :) 01.12.30 # i'm not sure what it is exactly... 01.12.45 # i'll try it like it is now 01.13.11 # you wouldn't happen to know how to create a new debug menu would you? 01.13.50 # andrewg867: well you'll probably get an error or warning.. you can't have a void function return an int. 01.13.51 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.14.12 # I think I have fixed that anyway 01.14.17 # and you mean add an entry? you'll have to check out apps/debug_menu.c (i think) and find where to add it there. 01.14.29 # yeah, and thanks 01.14.44 Quit chris_ ("Konversation terminated!") 01.14.47 # sure thing. 01.14.50 # linuxstb: i have some problems with sansapatcher, and including it in rbutil, there are problems with things with the same name in ipodpatcher and sansapatcher 01.15.00 # Domonoky: Yes, I've realised that... 01.15.15 # I didn't expect you to start work so soon. 01.15.20 # :-) 01.15.27 # Is it just the functions in sansapatcher.c ? 01.15.44 # read_firmware(), add_bootloader() etc 01.16.11 # sansapatcher.h has a wrong include block.. and yes those functions.. 01.16.33 # i mean a wrong #ifndef ... #define block :-) 01.16.35 # Dwyloc: just a few minutes i hope.. 01.16.36 # Ah, oops. To much copy and paste. 01.16.49 # OK, I'll quickly fix those now. 01.16.55 # :-) 01.17.28 Quit barrywardell (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 01.18.25 # midkay: thanks that will be one less patch to apply each time I do a fresh checkout and build for my nano and h120 :) 01.18.51 # Dwyloc: which others? maybe some are committable :) 01.21.59 # midkay: I don't currently have any more in a committable state but I am working on adding support for quitting a number of plugins with the h120 LCD remote. I will post them if and when I am happy with them. 01.22.25 # Dwyloc: alright, sounds good. if i can just get vmware to work.. :) 01.22.36 # <_Amblin> Just a quick question, on a DAP's processor, which is less exaustive, MP2 or MP3? 01.22.53 # <_Amblin> Im guessing MP2... 01.24.04 # Domonoky: OK, I've just committed some changes - they should help, but there may be some more changes needed... 01.24.29 # But now it's time for sleep. 01.24.31 # * linuxstb sleeps 01.25.34 # oki.. thx, gn8 01.25.38 Join Shaid [0] (i=shaid@203-214-119-183.dyn.iinet.net.au) 01.26.07 # Domonoky: Feel free to make some changes yourself if you need to. 01.26.47 Join chris_ [0] (n=chris@wificlient-52-70.publicwireless.ualberta.ca) 01.28.40 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.30.23 # whats the display resolution of the sansa ? 01.31.22 # 176x220 I believe 01.31.33 Quit z0de (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.31.54 # thx 01.32.02 Join Strath [0] (n=donat@dpc6747254230.direcpc.com) 01.32.53 # neat patch Dwyloc 01.33.03 Part Strath 01.33.22 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57b9620b.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.33.45 # Dwyloc: vmware is really not working for me. :( i wonder if anyone else can commit it for now. 01.33.53 # * preglow wonders if the m5 can record 01.34.51 # according to http://www.cowonamerica.com/products/iaudio/m5/m5_m3.html it can 01.35.47 # dropped FM tuner (meh), DRM (boo-fscking-hoo) and colour (meh) 01.36.04 # preglow: yes it can (built-in mic and line-in through the subpack) 01.37.51 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 01.38.20 # midkay: thanks anyway. I know wmware can be a pain at times, but it still beats dual booting most of the time. 01.38.51 # Dwyloc: absolutely beats dual booting.. but having network problems. :( 01.39.42 # Dwyloc: gimme one more minute.. 01.40.35 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@81.5.168.60) 01.42.34 Join idk2 [0] (n=chatzill@pool-71-246-198-17.washdc.fios.verizon.net) 01.43.03 Quit idk2 (Client Quit) 01.43.28 # midkay: I had to add svn.rockbox.org to /etc/hosts as sometime vmware fails to pickup dms from dhcp for me at work from our wifi network, even though it works under the host os fine. 01.44.29 # pixelma: with the run time amiconn says it has, i've got to say it sounds tempting 01.45.03 # i've been wanting another coldfire based player in case my h120 (god forbid) croaks 01.45.25 Join idk2 [0] (n=chatzill@pool-71-246-198-17.washdc.fios.verizon.net) 01.45.36 # Dwyloc: finally.. fixed it. 01.46.31 # I have a question about rockbox for the ipod 01.46.55 # is there a way to have it boot by default into the original apple firmware? 01.48.43 # it definitely is - the only thing I really miss is the radio. The runtime is that high for the L-version which is only available with a single platter hd (I think 20 or 30GB versions) - also there are a bit rare already. 01.48.53 # I have a question about rockbox for the ipod 01.48.56 # @ preglow 01.49.30 # is there a way to have it boot by default into the original apple firmware? 01.49.44 # mp3 is mpeg1 layer 3, while mp2 is mpeg2 layer (?) 01.50.03 Join nano- [0] (n=nano@exodus.xmms.se) 01.50.26 # idk2: not unless you want to modify the bootloader 01.50.51 Quit donutman25 ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/2007021917]") 01.50.56 # are there bootloaders available which are already modified? 01.51.02 # Does rockbox have support for usb-storage devices? Like if you have some cool iAudio and want to plug in your massive 500GB collection of music, is that possible? 01.51.13 Part nls 01.51.23 # not to the best of my knowledge. Have you searched the fourms for someone posting one? 01.51.32 # I'll do that 01.52.03 # The actual modification wouldn't be that hard, and there are two premade build enviroments avalilable, and there is also cgywin for those who are prefer that method. 01.53.02 # Dwyloc: there, it should be in svn. 01.53.41 # Should i ask about it in the forums? 01.53.51 # midkay: thanks again. 01.54.00 # someone has very recently, I thought perhaps it was you. 01.54.03 # nano-: do you mean with an external usb - connected through USB otg to your iAudio? If so the answer is: no, not yet 01.54.23 # Dwyloc: no problem :) 01.54.36 # esternal hd that should read 01.54.54 # err.... you get the picture ;) 01.54.58 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.54.59 # I searched, there was a thread asking about it, but from april '06 01.55.06 # is there a more recent one? 01.55.14 # pixelma: "not yet", as in someone working on it? 01.55.38 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-247-53.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 01.55.42 Join donvito [0] (i=donvito@71-89-49-84.dhcp.stpt.wi.charter.com) 01.57.56 # Actually, if i just installed it normally, then usually used the default firmware, and only reset my ipod when i wanted rockbox, would the ipod be mostly in sleep mode when i powered it off, and not constantly revert to rockbox? 01.59.30 # not to my knowledge. I think it's a goal to have it... one day... 01.59.42 # idk2: mostly 01.59.51 # Thanks 02.00.13 # how is the battery affected when playing music through rockbox. I will likely be using FLAC 02.00.24 # my statement was to nano- ... 02.02.09 # check 02.02.10 Part nano- 02.02.50 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=steve-o@67.64.104.30) 02.03.30 Join webguest26 [0] (i=83ac042d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3f69e87dca558c2c) 02.04.53 Join dude52 [0] (n=Dude@67.176.38.5) 02.05.05 # Hi guys...I just installed the gigabeatFX onto my f20....FANTASTIC....one question though.....how do I get the button LED to function????cant seem to find the setting option......help!!! 02.06.00 # i'm looking for someone who's good with coding and the ipod mini, anyone fit that bill? 02.06.28 Quit inversions (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 02.06.31 Quit Dwyloc ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.08.48 # Soap2: mp2 is mpeg1 layer 2 02.08.48 Quit idk2 ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/2007021917]") 02.09.18 # thanks 02.10.12 Quit webguest26 ("CGI:IRC") 02.10.18 Join webguest26 [0] (i=83ac042d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-701bc3caaa9777c1) 02.10.27 Quit barrywardell (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.10.45 Part webguest26 02.11.18 Quit BHSPitLappy (Remote closed the connection) 02.11.45 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-247-53.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 02.11.53 # is Karl Kurbjun online? 02.13.23 Quit |Rincewind| ("Cya") 02.14.10 Quit dude52 () 02.16.49 Join dude52 [0] (n=Dude@c-67-176-38-5.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 02.17.41 Part dude52 02.17.59 Join dude52 [0] (i=43b02605@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-901295f23957d182) 02.19.24 Quit donvito ("AnacønÐa · "If you think education is expensive -- try ignorance"") 02.19.44 Part dude52 02.21.20 # hrmph, I think I have finally figured out how to add a new debug menu selection 02.21.44 Join dude52 [0] (n=Dude@c-67-176-38-5.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 02.22.39 Part barrywardell 02.22.43 # i can't tell if i'm connected right. can anyone read this? 02.22.48 # I can 02.22.53 # oh good 02.22.59 # can you be connected wrong? 02.23.16 # i didn't know if i'd have to port forward 02.23.42 # are any devs online right now? 02.24.28 # guess not 02.24.33 # exit 02.24.39 Part dude52 02.25.25 Part pixelma 02.25.56 Join dan333 [0] (n=daniel_r@105.118-67-202.dart.iprimus.net.au) 02.28.26 Quit dan333 (Client Quit) 02.31.39 Join jaebird [0] (n=jae@53-89.netblk-69-41-89.coolaccess.net) 02.33.05 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@81.5.168.60) 02.33.29 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 02.35.50 Join jbwan [0] (n=jbchat@72-18-241-66.static-ip.telepacific.net) 02.36.17 # evening 02.45.28 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 02.47.31 Join dan333 [0] (n=daniel_r@105.118-67-202.dart.iprimus.net.au) 02.49.49 Quit Domonoky (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.49.58 Join idk2 [0] (n=chatzill@pool-71-246-198-17.washdc.fios.verizon.net) 02.50.24 # I have another question 02.51.13 # your features comparison page lists "Radio recording" 02.51.15 # is this possible on the ipod? 02.51.39 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 02.54.19 Quit idk2 (Client Quit) 02.55.14 Part jbwan 02.58.52 # If I use the vmware image what will happen when my computer boots 02.59.54 Join wrobbie [0] (n=rob@cm74.kappa84.maxonline.com.sg) 03.04.24 # it will boot windows (I assume you are running windows, dan333) 03.04.52 # as VMWare is Windows software that runs Linux (or other OSs) inside a virtual machine. 03.04.59 # yes I am but do u get the choice of windows and linux or what happens 03.06.14 # VMware is just like firefox. 03.06.25 # whooo, almost done the sansa FM tuner driver, just about ready for a real hardware test :) 03.06.28 # it is a windows application inside which linux runs. 03.06.34 # it is only an app. 03.06.46 # vmware runs on linux too btw 03.06.47 # idk2 - the iPod has no FM to record. 03.06.50 # what is fire fox 03.07.21 # nevermind - I figured that was a well-known enough Windows application to use as an example. 03.07.50 # andrewg867: ilrelevant for the point I am trying to make to dan333. 03.07.54 # r u talking about the web browser 03.07.59 # yes 03.08.20 Quit SirFunk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.08.32 Nick swimmer is now known as swimmer[zzZZzz] (n=swimmer@komalaystefan.xs4all.nl) 03.09.13 # So does it run linux and windows at the same time 03.09.33 # it runs linux IN windows. 03.09.47 # just as if linux was any other application. 03.10.01 # how do I start the application through a short cut 03.10.08 # on my desk top 03.11.11 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@cpe-74-71-205-222.twcny.res.rr.com) 03.12.14 # by double clicking on it? 03.13.00 # it's just like if you wanted to run solitare or internet explorer, you just click on it and it will run linux on windows 03.13.29 # I use a screen reader will this still work once I open up linux 03.13.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.14.34 Join element_G [0] (n=g-force@S0106001346a401fd.ed.shawcable.net) 03.14.41 # sorry but most likely not, the vmware virtual screen would be just like a picture to your software 03.15.53 # is it like the command window or completely different 03.16.12 # completely different, it is a whole operating system in one window 03.16.42 # you might be able to use cygwin (which I have no experience in) to compile which is just like the command window 03.17.15 # do u know of any screen readers for linux or would that just not work 03.17.35 # I don't know of any personally but I'm sure there is one 03.18.15 # if I could find one would this help the window read or not 03.19.06 # it would require setting up vmware first without any screen reader then attempting to enable sound in vmware and setting up the screen reader in linux 03.19.52 Join aegray__ [0] (n=aegray@74-139-219-59.dhcp.insightbb.com) 03.19.57 # I think it would be easier to use cygwin, it somewhat emulates a linux environment in windows which your screen reader should have no trouble with 03.20.18 # it would esentially be just like the windows command window 03.20.59 # I tried installing cygwin but it seems really really complicated 03.22.09 Join blackness [0] (n=zekiel57@CPE-67-48-76-127.neb.res.rr.com) 03.22.25 # does anyone here use the loader 2? 03.22.41 # try #ipodlinux 03.23.22 # dan333: hmm, I don't really know what else to say, I can't really help out with anything cygwin related 03.24.19 # yay, I have finished the first revision of the sansa FM driver :) http://aliant.ath.cx/~andrew/sansa/lv24020lp.c 03.25.27 # I don't even know if it works or not, its up for anyone to try. i'm going to try putting it into my sansa and using a debug menu to attempt to retrieve the chip ID 03.26.05 # all I want to do is add patches to my daily and then compile it so what do you think i should use 03.27.33 # if they are only a couple I might be able to do it for you 03.27.52 # what player are you using and what are the patch numbers? 03.28.53 # all I want to do is add patches to my daily and then compile it so what do you think i should useI am using a h300 but I will need to get the numbers also when i update I would need to repatch that's all 03.29.57 # I dont think thats a big deal, it just seems easier for someone to compile it for you instead you you struggling to use cygwin or vmware since you use a screen reader 03.31.13 Quit aegray_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.31.46 # it would be nice for a sighted person to confirm the compatibility of VMware or colinux and popular screen-readers. 03.32.16 # if you could name some screen readers then I might be able to try with VMware 03.32.21 # maybe even tune one of the distros for ease-of-screen-read. 03.32.38 # do u want to know the screenreader I use 03.32.39 # yeah, a nice project 03.32.44 # dan333: sure 03.33.13 # I use window eyes but jaws for window more 03.33.44 Quit Soap2 ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/2007021917]") 03.34.43 # jaws for windows is what it is thats the full name 03.34.53 # I found a copy of jaws but not window eyes 03.35.46 # jaws is more power full and more people use it so its probabley a better option 03.36.54 Quit Thundercloud_ (Remote closed the connection) 03.37.06 Join Shaid` [0] (i=shaid@203-214-48-233.dyn.iinet.net.au) 03.41.12 # wow these screen reader programs are expensive 03.46.53 # yeah u can download a demo that does everything but u need to reboot every 40 minutes 03.53.04 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 03.54.34 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 03.55.39 # brb, jaws reuires a reboot 03.55.41 Quit Shaid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.55.42 Nick Shaid` is now known as Shaid (i=shaid@203-214-48-233.dyn.iinet.net.au) 03.55.43 # *requires 04.00.40 Join chi [0] (i=chi@gateway/tor/x-9c8d6951d51ee371) 04.02.32 # this seems to be working nicely in the terminal window, anyway 04.03.20 # I downloaded the "portable" version of 7.0 and it seems that I don't have to pay for it 04.05.42 # now to see how well it works in VMware 04.07.46 # it seems it cant read any of the VMware dialogue boxes or the virtual machine 04.08.17 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.08.17 Quit chris_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.08.24 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B963B4.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.09.52 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.09.53 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.11.13 Join sslashes [0] (i=sslashes@209.67.252.122) 04.11.36 # hi - i just registered on the wiki to add my name to the summer of code page - can i get write permission? 04.12.33 # well I shall be off to bed now, i'll work on the FM driver more tomorrow. Hopefully I can integrate it with my current development source and maybe get the FM tuner working :) 04.12.50 Quit dan333 ("Freedom Chat - Your Home Away From Home | http://www.freedomchat.org | tIRC script by the Freedom Chat Leets") 04.12.56 Join scorche` [0] (i=ScorchE@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 04.13.01 Quit scorche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.19.23 Part element_G ("Kopete 0.12.2 : http://kopete.kde.org") 04.20.01 Join merwin [0] (n=merwin@72.86.29.230) 04.25.51 Join jhulst_ [0] (n=jhulst@adsl-69-208-75-153.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) 04.29.06 # sslashes: What's your wiki name? 04.29.15 # aliask: RobFrawley 04.30.44 # sslashes: You should have write access now. 04.30.53 # aliask: thanks! 04.30.53 Quit jhulst (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.30.54 # You're welcome. 04.31.02 Nick jhulst_ is now known as jhulst (n=jhulst@adsl-69-208-75-153.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) 04.35.29 # jhulst: I see you're interested in the Zen Vision: M port 04.36.51 # aliask: yes 04.37.24 # I've been using one for a couple of days now, it's a pretty nice device. It'd be better with rockbox though :) 04.37.27 # aliask: I recently purchased one and am looking to expand it 04.37.42 # Do you have a plan of action? 04.37.44 # aliask: I agree, the biggest thing for me is the lack of flac and ogg 04.38.00 # Have you seen our wiki page? 04.38.20 # Not recently... 04.38.57 # We have a person buying a hard drive adapter to figure that part out 04.39.11 # someone offered a broken one for the scans 04.39.20 # I'm waiting on getting that from him 04.39.32 # Great! 04.40.01 # Unfortunately, lots of people are interested, most without any coding experience though 04.40.30 # not unfortunate that their are lots of people, unfortunate that their is no coding experience 04.41.38 # It might be an idea to work with toffe of the gigabeat port - both the ZVM and the gigabeat s use a very similar method of updating firmware 04.42.05 # sounds good, I've chatted with toffe a little bit 04.42.15 # are you going to be holding onto your Vision M? 04.43.46 # It's actually my cousin's. It just came back from creative after some repairs. 04.44.02 # Long story short: no. 04.44.05 # I see, well you are always welcome to help out :) 04.44.38 Join dan333 [0] (n=daniel_r@105.118-67-202.dart.iprimus.net.au) 04.44.44 # Well, I have a gigabeat s, and I'm looking to get a harddrive adapter for that so I can take a closer look. They're quite expensive and I've only managed to find them overseas. 04.44.54 # (the adapters) 04.45.22 # we were lucky, it looks like a $20 one will do it for us 04.45.52 # hi again if I go a head and try cygwin again would I be able to get help on here as I am instaling 04.46.27 # dan333: I can try to give some help, it's been a little while and I don't have my Windows box in front of me 04.46.55 Join dohminator [0] (n=jddohm@66.232.201.115) 04.47.07 # jhulst: Does the Zen use a ZIF harddrive? If so, could you give me a link to where you bought it? 04.47.54 Join Enraged_Noob [0] (n=chatzill@201.sub-70-200-0.myvzw.com) 04.47.56 Nick Enraged_Noob is now known as Enraged (n=chatzill@201.sub-70-200-0.myvzw.com) 04.48.12 Nick Enraged is now known as Enraged_Noob (n=chatzill@201.sub-70-200-0.myvzw.com) 04.48.25 # Can someone help me? I tried to install rockbox on my color/photo ipod, now I am stuck with a black screen with the white apple logo, and I can't reset it. 04.48.38 # How did you install it? 04.49.07 # aliask: I'm not sure if it is zif, this is what we go http://www.digitalintelligence.com/cart/html/1.8-Inch-Laptop-Hard-Drive-Adapter.html 04.49.41 # when I get to the list of sighsites this is when I am installing cygwin which one do I choose 04.50.07 # jhulst: Ah, that one won't fit the Gigabeat unfortunately. 04.50.09 # Installed the bootloader, then I installed the files to the root directory. It loaded it up initially, but when I did the safely remove hardware in XP, it went to that screen 04.50.24 # Ahh.. hold on 04.50.34 # aliask: yeah, I think it is just a miniature laptop drive 04.50.38 # is it possible to run ipod linux as an app under rockbox? 04.50.43 # Yes 04.50.46 # blackness: No 04.51.00 # dan333: you have already downloaded the setup.exe and are running that? 04.51.51 # I have got setup.exe but am not running that also I am blind will I need sighted asystence to install 04.52.30 Quit midkay (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.52.48 # Dohminator go here http://mikeage.net/content/rockbox-custom-builds/ 04.53.02 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 04.53.08 # And download the noscaling build for the ipod 04.53.44 # thanks 04.53.47 # restart your ipod in disk mode (press select+play) after restarting, delete the .rockbox folder and the rockbox.ipod folder 04.53.49 # dan333: okay, you have to start out runnign setup.exe 04.53.56 # then delete the bootloader 04.54.06 # reinstall everything 04.54.12 # except this time 04.54.27 # instead of the rockbox firmware unzip the noscale build to your ipod 04.54.32 Quit merlin2049er (Client Quit) 04.54.50 # If you could that would be great I amiganOk I am up to the screen that says download from the internet 04.55.24 # Can anyone here help me with the itunesDB to rockboxDB converter? 04.55.45 # dan333: now select a mirror, one close to you is best but it shouldn't make a whole lot of differencec 04.55.49 # Only problem is that I can't restart my ipod at all. 04.56.07 # oh.. how are you doing it? 04.56.07 # wow, there it went 04.56.13 # ...lol. 04.56.24 # of course it would work. 04.57.44 # If you could that would be great I amiganOk I am up to the screen that says download from the internetis http://cygwin.internet.bs ok 04.58.17 # dan333: yes that is fine 04.58.24 # I mean is http://cygwin.internet.bs ok 04.58.27 Join merlin2049er [0] (n=Joe@bas8-toronto12-1177574116.dsl.bell.ca) 04.58.39 # dan333: yes 04.59.10 # so ... can anyone help me with the Itunes to rockbox database converter? 04.59.34 # I mean is http://cygwin.internet.bs okwhat do I type in the edit box thing on that same screen 05.00.06 # you don't need to type anything, that is to add your own mirror 05.00.28 # dan333: just click next 05.01.00 # now it is downloading is that meant to happen now 05.01.01 # Actually, I don't think it did reset. It just changed to a screen with a batter life indicator. WTF? I toggle the hold button, then press and hold menu and select. hmm... 05.01.14 # dan333: yes, it is getting the list of packages to install 05.01.33 # Ok how long should this take? 05.01.54 Join z35 [0] (n=z@adsl-226-226-233.dab.bellsouth.net) 05.02.00 # dan333: it depends on your connection speed, I don't know exactly 05.02.43 # nevermind 05.02.49 # my ipod is finicky 05.02.55 Quit merlin2049er (Client Quit) 05.03.11 # Thanks for your help enraged noob 05.03.11 Quit webguest46 ("CGI:IRC") 05.03.32 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=steve-o@67.64.104.30) 05.05.07 # dan333: has it finished yet? 05.06.14 # oops sorry 05.06.18 Quit Aaron4 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.06.20 # i was eating.. umm 05.06.25 # still there? 05.06.47 Join merlin2049er [0] (n=Joe@bas8-toronto12-1177574116.dsl.bell.ca) 05.07.21 # You need to recharge your ipod .. don't worry mine had the same problem ( i have photo/color) .. took me some hours to figure out what was wrong... then Llorean helped me and all was well _] 05.07.40 # just charge your ipod for an hour or so, restart in disk mode . 05.07.46 # yes , it says to keep and to skip packages, which ones do I keep? 05.08.38 # dan333: none are installed by default, you will need to install quite a few 05.09.22 # should I keep them all? 05.09.52 # No, you need to install a few, not deselect any 05.11.12 # dan333: I'm getting a list of ones that you need to install, hold on a second 05.12.10 Quit dohminator () 05.13.53 # dan333: http://putnote.net/22 is the list, the first one starts with Archive-zip 05.13.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.14.01 # I just clicked next I will see if it works and if it doesn't can I just reinstall it 05.14.50 # dan333: you don't have the correct packages installed, it isn't going to work for you 05.15.29 Quit _Amblin (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.18.35 # xyOk so what do you think I should do 05.18.49 # I have got a short cut as well 05.19.10 # I'm not sure, the setup gui isn't setup very well for someone who can't see it 05.19.49 # dan333: Are you installing cygwin for the purposes of building rockbox? 05.19.53 # dan333: you have a basic cygwin install without any special packages, to update all you need to do is run the setup.exe again 05.20.31 # So should I run setup.exe again 05.20.52 # dan333: yes, but we are still going to need to figure out how to get the correct packages selected 05.20.53 # I am wanting to add patches and then compile 05.21.00 # Read this 05.21.02 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinInstallWithScreenShots 05.21.10 # I can get sighted help if I need it 05.21.25 # dan333: I think that is going to be necessary 05.21.26 # Ah, that won't be much help if you're blind... 05.21.52 Quit blackness (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.21.55 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.22.03 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57b94d10.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.22.06 # aliask: I've been trying to walk him through it but that package selection is terrible if you can't see it 05.22.08 # I can get sighted help if I need itI have read the screen shots page what number do I need to look at because I have already installed something 05.22.23 Join jbwan [0] (n=jbchat@72-18-241-66.static-ip.telepacific.net) 05.22.43 # dan333: you can basically start over again 05.22.46 # I've heard that the cygwin installer is notoriously bad with screenreaders. 05.23.10 # OK so do I need to rerun the download from the site list 05.23.37 # You don't need to redownload setup.exe, just run it again and follow the instructions aliask linked to 05.24.18 Quit aliask ("Be back later") 05.27.51 # OK now I have got the list of packages I think 05.28.51 # dan333: okay, how can I describe what you need to click on, graphically they are little checkboxes 05.29.26 # Under a column heading that starts with Bi I believe 05.29.32 # There is curr do I leve that selected it is a check box 05.30.06 # yes leave that, below there are more check boxes 05.30.30 # Ok so whats the first thing I should get some sighted to do now 05.30.46 # some one i mean 05.31.53 # have them go here, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinInstallWithScreenShots, and then at the middle of the page where it says "Ok, up to here it has all..." 05.32.08 # have them start with the instructions there 05.32.42 # does anyone know what I should get some one who is sighted to first click on 05.32.48 Part chi ("Free Linux shells http://infectious.cc/") 05.33.07 Join himitsu [0] (n=himitsu@203.205.119.46) 05.33.58 Quit merlin2049er (Client Quit) 05.34.50 # I found the word Archive should they click on that 05.35.31 # You click on the plus sign next to archive 05.36.18 # and then click the word skip for each package that needs to be installed (Zip and Unzip) 05.37.19 # Then you do the same for Devel clicking on skip for each package (binutils, gcc, gcc-mingw-core, gdb, make, mingw-runtime, patchutils, subversion) 05.37.39 # Same for interpreters (perl) 05.37.56 # and text (tetex-base, textex-extra) 05.42.53 # It says keep next to zip and unzip as well as GNU shar utilities.It has skip next to MS-TNEF & Extract microsoft cabinet. What should I do? 05.43.30 # if it has keep next to zip and unzip, leave it, don't uninstall anything 05.44.12 # just make sure keep or a version number is next to all the ones I listed 05.44.46 Nick joshin is now known as joshin_ (n=joshin@unaffiliated/joshin) 05.47.02 # dan333: it's time for me to go, hope you get through the rest 05.47.57 Join printfXh4 [0] (n=pseudo@ppp103-15.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net) 06.10.50 Quit Enraged_Noob ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/2007021917]") 06.15.34 Quit rotator () 06.21.10 Join Kyl3K [0] (i=Kyl3K@cpe-72-229-107-187.nyc.res.rr.com) 06.27.48 Quit Kyl3K () 06.28.35 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 06.32.06 # * aegray__ comes to rockbox for help again... 06.32.13 # anybody know about mmu's? 06.32.27 # specifically how to convert addresses? 06.32.49 Join t0dk0n [0] (n=todkon@adsl-70-231-226-0.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) 06.32.58 # Does rockbox play video on the ipod video? 06.32.59 Part t0dk0n 06.33.02 Join t0dk0n [0] (n=todkon@adsl-70-231-226-0.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) 06.37.29 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 06.38.20 Part kaaloo 06.50.02 Join eslice1 [0] (n=ejslap@ics151-31.icsincorporated.com) 06.54.55 Join eslice1_ [0] (n=ejslap@ics151-31.icsincorporated.com) 06.55.16 Quit eslice1 ("Leaving") 06.55.32 Quit eslice1_ (Client Quit) 06.59.01 Quit FOAD_ ("Lost terminal") 07.00.26 Join vertic23 [0] (i=bla@dslb-084-056-251-197.pools.arcor-ip.net) 07.01.12 # mo0ning 07.01.33 # * amiconn just started another M5L runtime test, this time with backlight on all the time 07.04.11 Nick scorche` is now known as scorche (i=ScorchE@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 07.08.09 Quit vertic23 (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.11.40 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 07.12.56 Join DaNET23947 [0] (n=limpbizk@125-25-143-64.adsl.totbb.net) 07.13.06 # hey can anyone help me 07.13.19 Part DaNET23947 07.13.32 # not in 13 seconds 07.13.44 Part kaaloo 07.14.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.16.31 Join DaNET23947 [0] (n=limpbizk@125-25-143-64.adsl.totbb.net) 07.16.42 # can anyone help me 07.16.57 # how do i add themes in my ipod 07.17.15 # DaNET23947 07.17.15 # just extract them 07.17.16 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 07.17.20 # i did 07.17.27 # what os do you use? 07.17.38 # Windows, Linux, OS X? 07.17.38 # first of all i downloaded a theme and its too small for the screena nd i deleted it 07.17.43 # windows 07.17.52 # DaNET23947: alright, do you see the .rockbox file somewhere? 07.17.54 # you need to download one for your device 07.17.56 # yea 07.18.01 # i got it 07.18.04 # DaNET23947: go into that 07.18.07 # then copy the background 07.18.13 # to the background on your ipod directory 07.18.21 # the font into the font directory on your ipod 07.18.25 # what do u mean by that 07.18.33 # the wps folder and config file to the directory on your ipod 07.18.55 # my wps file has some stuff cna i delete it all 07.19.05 # DaNET23947: make two different file viewer windows... one to your ipod, and one into the .rockbox that your theme extracted to 07.19.17 # no, don't delete anything from the wps 07.19.17 # lol 07.19.25 # why would you want to delete it? 07.19.26 # umm i cleared it out 07.19.29 # just 1 file left 07.19.38 # ....... 07.19.45 # its the unicatvher left 07.19.55 # everything from the zip file of the theme 07.19.57 # belongs on your ipod 07.20.02 # in the respective directories 07.20.08 # unzip it again 07.20.14 # how? 07.20.22 # Download them theme you want 07.20.25 # the theme* 07.20.30 # unzip it 07.20.33 # or extract 07.20.37 # where cna i get osme themes 07.20.43 # don't delete anything in the .rockbox file it creates 07.20.57 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery 07.20.57 # oh 07.20.59 # pick your ipod modek 07.21.01 # model* 07.21.07 # i[pod 5g 07.21.15 # pick ipod video then 07.21.57 # ok then now wat 07.22.05 # did you download a theme? 07.22.15 # no 07.22.21 # which theme is the balck one 07.22.25 # lol 07.22.32 # black theme? 07.22.36 # * t0dk0n facepalms 07.22.38 # iono, look around 07.22.57 # ahh 07.23.15 # t0dk0n: you brought it on yourself...i attempted, but you drowned me out with your multi-line sentences...all yours =) 07.23.19 # btw the remaining files in my wps file just delete it right? 07.23.37 # scorche: lol ass :-D 07.23.48 # hey todkon 07.23.59 # all the files in my wps file i clear em k? 07.24.06 # Danet23947: why do you want to delete the wps file? 07.24.06 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54965422.dip.t-dialin.net) 07.24.09 # don't delete anything 07.24.15 # there is 1 file left lol 07.24.19 # its useless 07.24.24 # hows it useless? 07.24.25 # :p 07.24.29 # explain your reasoning! 07.24.44 # Do you mean wps on your ipod? 07.24.46 # the directory? 07.24.48 # yea 07.24.51 # which is not a file 07.24.54 # no, don't delete taht 07.24.59 # those are just built in themes 07.25.09 # on Rockbox, you can have as many themes as you want 07.25.12 # ohh 07.25.18 # you can have the whole theme database on your ipod if you'd like 07.25.21 # but that would take a while :p 07.25.22 # so if i delete them then i won't ahve anythemes 07.25.27 # yea i want it 07.25.29 # yup :p 07.25.33 # so how do i do it 07.26.04 # alright.. download a theme, extract/unzip it, place all the contents of each sub directory into the main directories on your actual ipod 07.26.15 # so anything in the wps from the theme goes into wps on your ipod 07.26.22 Quit Frode_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.26.38 # i gotta download 1 at the time right? 07.26.41 # anything from the theme from the theme, goes into theme on your ipod 07.26.49 # lol sure 07.27.12 # i got the file now i extract to my ipod root? 07.27.23 # no 07.27.36 # extract it on your computer somewhere, make a new directory 07.27.45 # oh ok 07.28.02 # just to be safe... I don't use windows, so I wouldn't know :p 07.28.04 # done ... 07.28.07 # alright 07.28.14 # now, there's .rockbox from your theme? 07.28.20 # just the theme 07.28.22 # not your ipod 07.28.37 # i got backdrops,fonts,themes,wps folders 07.28.42 # after extractin 07.28.57 # seriously though, can you use one line per thought at least?...it spams the logs 07.29.13 # my bad bro =P 07.29.21 # not you ;) 07.29.23 # I think he might be talking to me :-D 07.29.29 # yup 07.29.30 # rofl 07.29.41 # ok now wat do i do 07.29.45 # sorry scorche... i'm too scatterbrained 07.30.20 # do i dump it in my ipod now? 07.31.03 # Danet23947: put the files from the inside of the extracted directories into the directories on your ipod 07.31.21 # in the .rockbox folder right? 07.31.22 # so whatever is in backdrops, the .bmp file, put that in backdrops on your ipod 07.31.31 # yes 07.31.31 # ahh 07.31.53 # then in wps, you put that whole directory + the theme config file into wps on your ipod 07.32.01 # i hate the wps defult background cna i clear em?? any effects on my ipod 5g? 07.32.19 # if you clear them, you should replace it with a new one, with the same name 07.32.37 # or change the name in the theme.cfg or theme.wps files 07.32.41 # same name??? if i load this new 1 i just added 07.32.52 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 07.32.54 # then i gotta rename it? 07.32.54 # err yeah 07.33.06 # well, it wont load automatically when you load the theme file 07.33.27 # I think there's somewhere you can go in the settings to change the background 07.33.40 # scorche: do you know if you can change the backdrop from the settings? 07.33.46 # jhMikeS: I compared the battery discharge curves of X5 and M5L. Apart from the time scale, they look nearly identical 07.34.02 # scorche: am I still 'spamming the logs'? :P 07.34.04 Quit pabs (Remote closed the connection) 07.34.08 Join pabs [0] (n=pabs@xor.pablotron.org) 07.34.39 Quit jbwan ("ciao") 07.35.40 # hold on i am workin on it 07.36.05 # ok donw 07.36.07 # done 07.36.17 # lemmie check my ipod 07.36.21 # alright 07.36.31 # how do i change the background 07.36.38 # my background is ugly 07.37.14 # I'm not quite sure... I just rely on themes pretty much 07.37.24 # oh 07.37.29 # wow a nice theme =P 07.37.32 # workoin 07.37.42 # thx 07.37.44 # 1 more thing 07.37.54 # how do i make the games working 07.38.08 # backdrop should be in .rockbox/backdrops and if you browse to that and select the backdrop, get context menu and select backdrop 07.38.42 # hmm??? 07.38.51 # DaNET23947: plugins 07.38.51 # is that about the games thingy? 07.38.58 # yea its in plugins 07.39.06 # the games some r bugged 07.39.19 # Danet23947: petur was just telling you how to set a different background :P 07.39.39 # ahh i know that but thx anyway =P 07.39.40 # Danet23947: and yes, some games are buggy, because Rockbox is still a beta firmware... so that should be expected 07.39.44 # its not perfect 07.39.47 # oh 07.39.52 # btw doom is dead 07.39.54 # but I think its certainly better the the original ipod firmware 07.39.58 Quit dan333 ("Freedom Chat - Your Home Away From Home | http://www.freedomchat.org | tIRC script by the Freedom Chat Leets") 07.40.00 # i saw people on youtube with awesome doom 07.40.23 # DaNET23947: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom 07.40.40 # read all of that carefully for Doom to work 07.40.51 # and don't ask for WAD files, this channel isn't the place for that :P 07.41.15 # lol ^^ 07.42.00 # hey 07.42.08 # wats ipod linux for btw? 07.42.17 # do you know what Linux is? 07.42.26 # yea 07.42.34 # well, its that, but for the iPod :p 07.42.36 # when i open i[pod linux its bugged 07.42.51 # all the leter fles all over the place makin it unable to read 07.42.52 # hmm? you installed ipod Linux? 07.42.59 # yea 07.43.15 # ah, did you format your ipod to a Linux file system? 07.43.20 # yea 07.43.28 # i did everyhintg perfectly 07.43.31 # hmm iono, you should goto the IRC channel for that though 07.43.38 # lol yea ^^ 07.43.46 # what else can rockbox do? 07.44.01 # all I can say is that iPod Linux is just another firmware for iPod, based pretty much on the Linux operating system 07.45.08 # oh 07.45.15 Join Gibbed [0] (i=rick@pool-71-108-26-234.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 07.45.19 Quit Rick (Nick collision from services.) 07.45.28 # i want to add in cool plugins like clocks 07.45.38 # how do i add them 07.45.43 Nick Gibbed is now known as Rick (i=rick@pool-71-108-26-234.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 07.45.56 # all the plugins that exist for rockbox, are built into rockbox 07.46.03 # unless you find a patch in the developer wiki 07.46.17 # how do i do that 07.46.38 # honestly, i wouldnt worry about it 07.46.40 # nevermind that :p 07.46.52 # btw do u know urself? 07.47.05 # * t0dk0n looks into his brain... 07.47.11 # yes, yes I do, know myself? 07.47.20 # can u tell me how please 07.47.30 # this isn't #philosophy :-p 07.48.10 # hey open my oter chat 07.48.42 # how cna i add a clock 07.48.54 # yeah... I afk now... tootles, good luck :) 07.49.47 # nooooooooooo 07.49.48 # ok thx btw 07.50.01 # lol welcome 07.50.04 # laterz 07.53.53 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.56.34 Quit petur ("|home -> work|") 08.05.22 Quit JBGood25 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.11.44 Quit bonbonthejon (Remote closed the connection) 08.14.57 Join webguest39 [0] (i=c0231115@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ee2170dd880cd946) 08.15.36 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 08.19.28 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B14DC3.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.20.08 # morning LinusN 08.20.13 # morning 08.20.22 # Did you find the runtime result in the log? :) 08.21.04 # 51 hours! 08.21.58 # Nearly 52 08.22.07 # Only 3 minutes too short ;) 08.22.48 # truly amazing 08.23.02 Join dan333 [0] (n=daniel_r@105.118-67-202.dart.iprimus.net.au) 08.24.40 Quit printfXh4 (Read error: 148 (No route to host)) 08.24.46 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-dc394d93a8742042) 08.26.37 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@84-255-206-8.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) 08.26.39 # hey 08.26.51 # anyone know how do i add a clock or app in rockbox? 08.27.05 # searched for weeks but nothing 08.27.41 # if your dap has an rtc chip, the clock plugin is included 08.28.09 # sorry i am an idiot but i got no idea wat u r sayin 08.28.20 # in layman terms ... 08.28.24 # or better, if we support the clock chip inside your player,... 08.28.29 Quit webguest39 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 08.28.47 # DaNET23947: point is, as has been told to you before, all the plugins that work with rockbox, are already there 08.28.48 # how do i know tht? i ahve an ipod video 60gb does it support 08.29.37 # DaNET23947: there's a wiki page that lists the possibilities (iirc) 08.30.09 # DaNET23947: read the manual...please 08.31.26 # When I am in cygwin and I type n for normal build after i have done everything else I get the following message WARNING: The compiler you must use (m68k-elf-gcc) is not in your path! 08.31.27 # WARNING: this may cause your build to fail since we cannot do the 08.31.27 # WARNING: checks we want now. 08.31.43 # WARNING: checks we want now. what should I do 08.32.12 # dan333: install the compiler 08.32.21 # or put it in your path 08.32.28 # how do I do that 08.32.50 # dan333: start by reading the warning/errormessage, it sometimes gives a clue 08.33.14 # how did you get the compiler? 08.33.28 # as that what i just sent 08.33.39 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.34.05 # was it a loud bang and it was there or did you follow some guide to build it? 08.34.48 # dan333: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers 08.36.05 # I am following the instructions from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling and I am using the daily build sorce 08.37.03 # did you wollow the CygwinDevelopment page completely? 08.37.12 # what crypt lib do i need to build mi4code on linux? 08.37.14 # dan333: and you did step 3 of http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment? 08.37.49 # * petur checks his code for weird typos - it's one of _those_ days :/ 08.39.09 Quit ian^Colt (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.41.51 # I followed the instructions from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment and did step 3 but I could of missed something if I did is there a way to install that one packthing 08.42.05 # package thing 08.44.44 # dan333: this is interesting, because if it is a fresh cygwin installation, installing the compiler packages should automatically add the path 08.46.24 # dan333: could you check the contents of /etc/bash.bashrc ? 08.46.31 Join B4gder [0] (n=daniel@100.78.227.87.static.s-cy.siw.siwnet.net) 08.47.21 Part t0dk0n 08.48.48 # what is /etc/bash 08.49.56 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 08.50.02 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 08.52.22 # does anyone know what I should do 08.52.28 Join bluebrother [0] (i=xgBdujmK@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 08.52.33 # about my cygwin problem 08.52.50 # dan333: LinusN already told you. If you don't understand the answer - you've got a lot of googling to do. 08.53.16 # who is RobFrawley? 08.53.56 # does anyone know how i can put in applications in my rockbox for my ipod 5g 08.54.10 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@rockbox/administrator/Llorean) 08.54.45 # I see the clue meter has dropped several points 08.54.48 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m180.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 08.54.58 Join webguest37 [0] (i=c0231115@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2046b883c8a7d773) 08.55.11 # does anyone know how i cam put in applications like a clock in my rockbox for my ipod 5g 08.56.36 # DaNET23947: Rockbox includes everything officially supported. 08.56.47 # DaNET23947: http://www.portableapps.com 08.56.55 # if you are asking for "applications" 08.57.00 # DaNET23947: this is the third time you have been told this...stop asking and read the manual 08.57.03 # yea whoa thx bro 08.57.12 # where do i get a manual 08.57.38 # people have had a bit of luck with the link that says "maunal" on the side of the rockbox site 08.57.49 # s/maunal/manual 08.58.35 # i got the manual 08.58.42 # but its just loads of pic and no info 08.58.43 # now read it 08.59.07 # do you see words? 08.59.08 # go to www.rockbox.org 08.59.12 # or my sygwin problem were you talking about the etc folder 08.59.18 # press Ctrl-F 08.59.20 # hmm 08.59.21 # type "manual" 08.59.23 # press enter 08.59.27 # and look what it finds 08.59.30 # amazing, people normally complain there's not enough pics 08.59.45 # ok hold on 09.00.19 # which should i get 09.00.26 # pdf?html or online? 09.00.42 # the one for your player 09.00.54 # pdf is the easiest to read 09.00.56 # ok i 'll choise ipod video 09.00.59 # how do I know if you prefer to read it in pdf form or online? 09.01.00 # i did this b4 rofl 09.01.17 # i chose html lol 09.01.22 Join aegray_ [0] (n=aegray@74-139-219-59.dhcp.insightbb.com) 09.02.01 # * bluebrother can't believe it 09.02.24 Nick DaNET23947 is now known as blackbrother (n=limpbizk@125-25-143-64.adsl.totbb.net) 09.02.26 # hey 09.02.29 # * amiconn started another runtime test which is likely to end much sooner than the m5l test with backlight :P 09.03.44 # amiconn: what you testing this time ? 09.03.54 # hey 09.04.05 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 09.04.10 # i get this annoying error(when i read online) doesn't open 09.04.49 # Ipod mini g2 w/ backlight 09.05.02 # dan333: type this on the cygwin prompt: cat /etc/bash.bashrc 09.06.53 # hey i added all the themes on my ipod butit won't display all the themes i got? 09.07.23 # is there any way it can display all or i gotta clear some? 09.07.51 # blackbrother: maybe some of the themes are incompatible? 09.08.01 # oh 09.08.42 # thats maybe , so i think i shoudl clear some (all the lousy themes are displayed whereas all the good theres i cannot see 09.09.36 # how did you install them? 09.10.21 # extracted them 09.10.25 # rofl 09.10.32 # i extarceyted them in the wrong place 09.10.34 # rofl 09.10.41 # theres like 50 themes there lol 09.11.24 # hey ok tell me what only should be in the .rockbox follder beacuse i forgot wat should be tehre due to the tons of themes ther 09.11.25 # wow 09.12.21 # umm 09.12.44 # give me the name of the folders that r suppose to be in the .rockbox folder like fonts .... 09.13.09 # hang on 09.13.19 # i was aghast of this conversation, as this didnt sound like anything even close to what bluebrother would say....then i looked at the name again... 09.13.19 Quit aegray__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.14.01 # and ... 09.14.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.14.11 # rofl 09.14.37 # blackbrother: backdrops, codecs, docs, codepages, eqs, fonts, langs, rocks, themes, viewers, wps 09.15.24 # i also got some strage files like .playlist_control and other stuff (do i throw these away 09.15.25 Join Entasis [0] (n=Jarred@ppp1-104.lns10.adl2.internode.on.net) 09.15.32 # blackbrother: leave them 09.15.41 # ok 09.16.29 # now who is Rob Frawley? 09.16.57 # LinusN: Good question :) 09.17.13 # DAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM 09.17.25 # Did he come here from rent-a-mentor? 09.17.31 # blackbrother: that does not sound like success to me :-) 09.17.38 # i dragged and then LOST ALL MY FONTS AND EVERYTHING IN MY ROCKBOX 09.17.44 # accidently deleted it 09.17.52 # all my work ............ =( 09.17.52 # blackbrother: better reinstall then 09.17.57 # LinusN: stripslashes or something like that...came in earlier 09.18.07 # how do i reinstall 09.18.43 # he added himself as a mentor?...ugh 09.18.50 Nick blackbrother is now known as mentor (n=limpbizk@125-25-143-64.adsl.totbb.net) 09.18.55 # hmm 09.19.44 # mentor: it's hard to follow the conversation if you change your nick all the time 09.21.48 Nick mentor is now known as blackbrother (n=limpbizk@125-25-143-64.adsl.totbb.net) 09.21.50 # ok 09.21.58 # blackbrother: reinstallation is simply extracting the zip's again 09.22.08 # reinstall? how? 09.22.19 # blackbrother: what kind of 'work' did you lose? 09.22.25 # "reinstallation is simply extracting the zip's again" 09.22.31 # i wiped the whole rockbox folder 09.22.37 # so? 09.22.52 # scorche: He added himself to the SoC wiki page. That doesn't mean he's signed up at Google, and doesn't mean he's been accepted (I assume by project administrator there) 09.22.53 # Just unzip the rockbox.zip from the 'current builds' download page 09.23.17 # after extarcted then? 09.23.25 # Llorean: aye...i would be very surprised if it was that easy to add...but still =/ 09.23.34 # Llorean: I am the project admin for Rockbox/soc so I am the one who will accept mentors 09.24.09 # the applying mentors are meant to appear in a little web app for me 09.24.20 # blackbrother: after extracting the rockbox folder is back 09.24.20 # ... but they have a bug that so far has prevented any mentors to appear 09.24.45 # whats a nemtor? 09.24.58 # blackbrother: see the SummerOfCode wiki page 09.25.17 # blackbrother: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SummerOfCode 09.25.27 Join printfXh4 [0] (i=pseudo@ppp103-15.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net) 09.25.33 # B4gder: I guessed it was either delayed or not working yet. :) 09.26.06 Quit pearldiver (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.26.21 # markun: i see it 09.26.31 # hould i try running setup.exe to try and fix my cygwin problem 09.26.46 # dan333: did you do what i told yu? 09.27.08 # yup^^ 09.27.23 # hould i try running setup.exe to try and fix my cygwin problemcan u say it again because my screenreader didn't read it out 09.28.05 # dan333: oh, you're blind.... 09.28.32 # yep is that a problem or something 09.28.36 # dan333: type this on the cygwin prompt: cat /etc/bash.bashrc 09.28.52 # it should print 3 lines of text 09.30.59 Join austriancoder [0] (n=austrian@80.120.117.30) 09.31.40 Join Redbreva [0] (n=chatzill@host86-143-232-229.range86-143.btcentralplus.com) 09.32.01 # s the command "cat /etc/bash" with out the quotes 09.33.41 # dan333: no, it's "cat /etc/bash.bashrc" 09.34.04 Join nls [0] (n=nils@nl104-202-175.student.uu.se) 09.34.34 # with the . and " 09.34.41 # without the quites 09.34.48 # quotes 09.37.04 Join movezig [0] (n=felix@e180028216.adsl.alicedsl.de) 09.38.08 # is it amigan"cat /etc/bash 09.38.45 # dan333: your screenreader might be interpreting this wrong 09.38.52 # cat /etc/bash dot bash are sea 09.38.57 # (dunno if that helps) 09.39.15 # type: cat /etc/bash dot bashrc 09.39.42 # replace "dot" with a period/dot 09.40.20 # can u put a qu" at the start of the command and 1 at the end 09.40.34 # so I can just pate it in to cygwin 09.40.58 # "cat /etc/bash.bashrc" 09.41.21 Quit dan_a (Remote closed the connection) 09.41.35 # by ze's first comment, he made the last portion of the command a bit more phonetic 09.41.49 # ok is the command cat /etc/bash.bashrc 09.41.56 # yes 09.41.58 # yes 09.42.52 # I'm having trouble with rockbox on my 1gen Nano. When I try to initialize the database the ipod goes really slow and eventually freezes. I left it allone untill the battery ran out, but the database wouldn't be created. 09.43.04 # does somebody can explain me, what parameter type of void audiohw_set_recvol(int left, int right, int type) stands for? 09.43.19 # * scorche retires to his bed 09.43.34 # * ze does too, by coincidence 09.43.41 # gn8 scorche and ze 09.43.45 # night 09.44.39 Quit pill (Nick collision from services.) 09.44.57 Join _pill [0] (i=pill@sloth.shellfx.net) 09.45.41 # ok is the command cat /etc/bash.bashrcthis is y i get when i run the command # base-files version 3.7-1 09.45.41 # # WARNING 09.45.41 # # 09.45.41 DBUG Enqueued KICK dan333 09.45.41 # # IF THIS bash IS MODIFIED IT WILL NOT BE UPDATED BY THE CYGWIN 09.45.41 # # SETUP PROGRAM. IT BECOMES YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. 09.45.42 *** Alert Mode level 1 09.45.42 # # 09.45.44 # # The latest version as installed by the Cygwin Setup program can 09.45.46 # # always be found at /etc/defaults/etc/bash.bashrc 09.45.48 # # System-wide .bashrc file 09.46.13 # what should i do now 09.46.20 # What was the problem? 09.46.44 # dan333: is that all? There should be more to it than that. 09.47.19 # that seems to be all I get when I go in to cyg win paste this command 09.49.05 # do u know what I should do 09.49.07 # I take it, nobody has any idea about my database problem? 09.49.55 # austriancoder: Look at the implementation of that function in (for example) firmware/drivers/uda1380.c 09.51.20 # dan333: did you try the VMWare environment ? It requires a lot less setup than the cygwin one, and it's faster. 09.51.29 # linuxstb: thanks.. found it 09.51.35 # movezig: you maye have some files that crash the metadatareader, try to take all your music off the player and add it back eithe r in a "binary search" way or just little, by little to try to find the files that break it 09.52.17 # i use a screen reader and I think cyg win is the only one that wil work with it 09.52.40 # then fine out what is wrong with the files and report it if they shoudl have worked or fix them :-) 09.52.49 # thanks nls 09.53.06 # dan333: that's a shame! Ok, I'm installing cygwin myself right now so I have a look at it. Give me a few minutes! 09.53.17 Quit B4gder ("Time to say moo") 09.54.05 # linuxstb: would be a good idea, to add some comments for each funtion to firmware/export/audio.h. So its documented well in one place 09.54.29 # austriancoder: Yes, that would seem to make sense. 09.54.29 # k thanks can u tell me when you r ready 09.55.25 Quit bezlemin (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.55.28 # dan333: nearly there 09.55.43 *** Alert Mode OFF 09.55.51 Join bezlemin [0] (n=bezlemin@cpe-72-179-41-19.austin.res.rr.com) 09.56.23 # movezig: i was a bit unclear, update the database between adding more files too :-) 09.58.06 # well that's bloody useful. Using the "default" install option of cygwin leaves you with no working text editors at all 09.58.18 # You still have notepad :) 09.59.34 # linuxstb: doesn't work well with LF endings 09.59.52 # linuxstb: which, if you accept the default install, as the rockbox guide recommends, is what you get. 10.00.17 # I thought I saw "nano" listed in the cygwin install guide? 10.00.33 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment 10.00.46 # Or are there other guides? 10.00.52 # Step 2: If you are unsure about which to accept, just accept default 10.01.04 # And the next sentence? 10.01.12 # "When you are asked to select the packages to install, select the following, except for the Base, which is required:" 10.02.17 Join Markarian [0] (n=Markaria@c-24-10-19-34.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 10.02.34 # Hi 10.03.42 Nick datachild is now known as krebb (i=krebb@linux.aeger.wind0ws.info) 10.03.44 Join t0dk0n [0] (n=todkon@adsl-70-231-226-0.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) 10.04.05 # Anyone wanna see the parody of the Ubuntu theme I made for my ipod? 10.04.19 # http://farm1.static.flickr.com/183/422903140_640799dbfb.jpg?v=0 10.04.24 # http://farm1.static.flickr.com/146/422903138_0625499844.jpg?v=0 10.04.32 # linuxstb: I personally found that first instruction confusing - like you could choose to ignore the next bit. I see of course now that you can't - but perhaps the package installation part needs it's own heading. 10.05.30 # GodEater: wiki wiki wiki... 10.05.57 # I'm not sure what that last part of the sentence - "except for the Base" means though. 10.06.07 # yes, that's not clear either 10.06.09 # Does it mean to leave the Base at the defaults? 10.06.12 # ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US 10.06.26 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 10.06.26 # * linuxstb makes his first gigabeat commit 10.06.26 # I'll edit it in a second when I've finished my install and found any other possible gotchas 10.07.14 # LinusN: can you rename the SamsungSA58700 wiki page to SamsungSA58xxx or SamsungSA58 ? 10.08.45 # linuxstb: I'm happy more and more of the rockbox devs are getting a Gigabeat 10.08.55 # markun: I'm not sure what's going on, but for some reason, Rockbox is displaying the USB logo with a black background on my gigabeat - but the status bar still has my normal white background (iCatcher theme)... 10.09.24 # SamsungSA58 it is 10.09.24 # linuxstb: yes, there is a a weird bug 10.09.47 # LinusN: thanks! 10.09.47 # OK, so it's known? 10.10.07 # linuxstb: known by me and on my todo, I should have filed a bugreport 10.10.32 # I also know party why the problem happens 10.10.36 # partly 10.10.42 # So is it always a black background? 10.11.20 # no, it depends on the background of the last plugin you visited 10.11.21 # :) 10.11.44 # check lcd-meg-fx.c 10.11.47 # Hey guys, I have a question. I'm new to Rockbox, and am switching from iTunes (except for movies) to use Rockbox for my music. I run Vista x64 and am trying to figure out how to safely use my iPod with Rockbox without corrupting the filesystem. 10.11.52 # OK, that explains why I've just seen it today (testing pacbox) 10.12.03 # hey http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom 10.12.05 # there is bg_pattern_blit and gb_pattern 10.12.08 # i can't get doom 10.12.16 # I think one of them doesn't get set correctly for some reason 10.12.39 # blackbrother: what's the problem with it? 10.12.44 # Markarian: What's the problem? You just treat your ipod like any other removable USB disk. 10.13.47 # look i put the files in then it stops there? i removed my ipod video and then doom its still bugged 10.14.44 # i got the file freedoom-iwad 10.15.20 # thats the 0.4.1 relese 10.15.24 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b9a4a.ucd.ie) 10.16.05 # it says about the thing about the add on directory ??? where is it 10.16.13 # is there away I can check what cygwin packages I have installed 10.16.35 # dan333: yes, run the setup.exe again 10.16.48 # dan333: mine is still running currently - be with you as soon as it's done 10.16.50 # I know, but I've heard you need to put it in Apple mode to get high-speed transfer working. And I've heard the risk is from people "Safely Ejecting Hardware" through Windows. 10.17.10 # blackbrother: did you "install rockdoom.wad" ? 10.17.21 # whats that? 10.17.39 # i got that file 10.17.39 # I read it from the wiki page you linked to 10.17.51 # and where did you put it? 10.18.08 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc3-rdng11-0-0-cust229.winn.cable.ntl.com) 10.18.11 # \.rockbox\doom\ 10.18.17 # my ipod 10.18.43 # ok, I think you need to store you other wad file there as well 10.18.48 # works fine for me at least 10.19.00 # Markarian: The risk is form people NOT "Safely Ejecting Hardware" through Windows. And yes, most people seem to report that USB transfers are faster when running the fuill Apple firmware, compared to the emergency disk mode that Rockbox reboots into. Personally, I have no problems with the emergency mode on my 5g. 10.19.03 # store it where 10.19.26 # in the same dir 10.19.41 # markun: i stored the wad file only in my ipod\.rockbox\doom\ directory 10.19.54 # where else do i store it? 10.20.00 # well, if that doesn't work then I don't know what's wrong 10.20.44 # hmm 10.20.58 # they say soemthing about an addon file 10.21.13 # yes, I see that in the wiki page 10.21.20 # A free alternative for Doom 2 is Freedoom. This can be used in place of doom2.wad or it may be used as an addon in doom by placing it in the addons directory. 10.21.21 # what about it? 10.21.27 # hmm 10.21.42 # ok i'll restart my ipod and try itt now 10.22.07 # hey thx ^^ 10.22.14 Part LinusN 10.22.20 # you're welcome, I hope it works 10.22.53 # missing base wad 10.23.05 # and plugin returned and error 10.23.35 # what does that mean? 10.23.58 # usually that it didn't find rockdoom.wad 10.24.02 # dan333: you still here ? 10.24.21 # hmm 10.24.29 # so what do i do now? 10.24.31 # blackbrother: but you put rockdoom.wad in .rockbox/doom as well, right? 10.24.53 # thats the only place i put 10.25.07 # so you have 2 .wad files there? 10.25.24 # no just 1 10.25.28 # 1 wad file 10.25.33 # well, you need 2 10.25.40 # where do i get the other? 10.25.58 # do which one do you have? 10.26.04 # so which one do you have? 10.26.11 # i am using the 0.4.1 now 10.26.17 # which wad file 10.26.19 # now i am downlaoding the latest 1 0.5 10.26.31 # please tell me the name of the file 10.26.32 # lets just say 0.5 10.26.46 # freedom iwad0.5 10.26.59 # blackbrother: The official Rockbox doom extras file includes freedoom. 10.27.13 # '10:17 < markun> blackbrother: did you "install rockdoom.wad" ?' 10.27.29 # install? i just dump in the file? 10.27.30 # '10:17 < blackbrother> i got that file' 10.27.33 # into the folder 10.27.55 # what do u mean by instal? 10.28.05 # just paste the file ? 10.28.32 # you tell me you only have 1 wad file, I ask you the name of the file but you refuse to tell me. 10.28.43 # the name of the file is 10.28.44 # is it rockdoom.wad or not? 10.28.51 # linuxstb: I have heard of some vista "safely remove thingy"+itunes bug that would corrupt the filesystem on the ipod unless you ejected the ipod inside itunes, i think he was reffering to that... 10.28.51 # yea 10.29.30 # blackbrother: then you need either freedom.wad or one of the original doom wads 10.29.33 # linuxstb: there's still a problem compiling sansapatcher on mac. same off_t and lseek problem. is the #if on sansaio.h:34 right? 10.29.55 # nls: wats that suppose to mean original doom wads??? 10.30.19 # wads from the doom game. 10.30.33 # nls: i got 1 wad 10.31.09 # blackbrother: did you get the feedoom wad? 10.31.14 # freedoom 10.31.15 # yes 10.31.36 # ohhhhhhhhh i think i got it now 10.31.52 # and did you put it in /.rockbox/doom? 10.31.53 # i need the freedom wad and the rockdoom in the doom folder right? 10.32.01 # yes 10.32.05 # because i only got the freedom in lol 10.32.11 # nls: The extras file for doom contains a freedoom wad, rockdoom wad, and the appropriate directory structure already... 10.32.12 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 10.32.19 # Llorean: oh 10.32.32 # nls: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxExtras 10.32.32 # wow great thx nls and markun 10.33.03 # gonna test in 5 minutes 10.33.14 # eye hurts like hell 10.33.29 # Llorean: next mission for domonoky and rbutil, automated freedoom install ;-) 10.33.52 # * bluebrother just notices a dark incarnation of his name 10.34.03 # rofl* 10.34.03 # yeah, kinda confusing 10.34.31 # ok, anyone with an archos here, that want to test a patch? 10.34.36 # marking registered users is a nice thing ... 10.34.36 # hey so we cana't add any extra software in rockbox am i right since its ll built in? 10.34.44 # all* 10.34.56 # sorta 10.35.05 # ahh now i understnad brother 10.35.15 # barrywardell: No, that #if is complete nonsense :) 10.35.26 # :) 10.35.29 # the binary stuff is shipped, but some plugins require additional gamedata you need to own 10.35.33 # btw i see a guy in you tube have tons of different clock modes? how do we do it 10.35.38 # like gameboy roms 10.35.48 # different clock modes? 10.35.53 # yea he got atomic clock 10.35.56 # ananlog clock 10.36.03 # ditigtal clock 10.36.04 # ah, the clock plugin? 10.36.07 # bluebrother: I will update the doom wiki page as you are not the only one having so much trouble with it 10.36.07 # yea 10.36.16 # that was for blackbrother :) 10.36.19 # u r an admin? 10.36.25 # press the right button or use the menu ;-) 10.36.37 # oh 10.36.52 # markun give me the link later because i forgot it 10.37.06 # don't know which button is the right one off of my head. Just try. 10.37.17 # barrywardell: Fix committed. 10.37.20 # it's about fun, so just play around with it a bit. It won't bite. 10.37.28 # the worst case is crashing your player. 10.37.50 # barrywardell: Llorean has just tested sansapatcher for me - the full install/uninstall cycle is working fine, so it looks like the OF mi4 image that it creates is fine - i.e. readable by the original bootloader after the uninstall. 10.38.01 # about the clock modes how do i get it bluebrother? 10.38.08 # linuxstb: yes. it's working for me now too 10.38.24 # How's the bootloader looking? 10.38.39 # almost done 10.38.39 # Could it be that rockbox can't handle UTF-8 in mp3 tags? 10.38.54 # i know i said that last night too, but it really is this time! 10.38.54 # blackbrother: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1860008.4.4 10.39.13 # movezig: I may be wrong, but I think you need to tell Rockbox to use utf8 - in the "codepage" setting. 10.39.23 # Ok, tthanks 10.41.13 Part Markarian 10.41.42 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@p54bce43b.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.42.51 # whahahahaah i got doom working 10.42.58 # but how do i move back? 10.43.32 # movezig: look for the default codepage setting, but having that set wrong shouldn't crash anyway... 10.43.44 # blackbrother: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml 10.44.13 # bluebrother:thx 10.45.16 # FS#6159 needs testingn on archoses, I do really think it should go in soon 10.46.19 # Ok, that worked. Thanks. 10.46.41 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 10.46.55 # nls: Is Archos testing the only thing holding that up? 10.47.12 # I'd like to see it committed too. 10.47.44 # pondlife: it works fine for me and no-one has reported any other problems, so I guess so :-) 10.47.53 # markun: is star on the gigabeat still broken ? 10.47.54 # nls: is it even possible to test it on archos, since the voice file is so big :-) 10.47.58 # nls: think I cannot test it somehow... because a usual recent voice file just fits so... 10.48.07 # GodEater: I didn't fix it 10.48.32 # LinusN: , pixelma shouldn't it be possible with lower quality/higher compression? 10.48.44 # possibly 10.48.46 Part t0dk0n 10.49.02 # nls: also splashes couldn't be voiced when music is playing... 10.50.06 # pixelma: for archoses? 10.50.36 # As long as it doesn't interfere with playback in this case... 10.50.40 # yes for hwcodec: you only have one MAS 10.51.54 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 10.52.50 Quit barrywardell (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.53.39 # LinusN: the lang cleanup will exclude over 50 voice entries for hwcodec, so if this patch makes the voice files not fit, they should fit again once the cleanup is comitted, is it ok to break it for a while? 10.53.57 # Why not do the cleanup first? 10.53.58 Join hannesd___ [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 10.54.11 # I would prefer that too 10.54.16 # me too 10.54.20 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b9a4a.ucd.ie) 10.54.46 # pondlife: because the cleanup depends on a lang build system bug that is apparently not easily fixed, but sure I can wait :-) 10.54.48 # pondlife: for the record - I believe you even got further than me with the tex4ht install... it still doesn't even find htlatex here :/ (don't know where I went wrong) 10.55.00 # hey should I run setup.exe and just reinstall all the packages to try and fix my cygwin problem 10.55.13 # blind and a programmer, sounds like someone with quite a brain 10.55.26 # pixelma: I had to rename htlatex.bat to htlatex IIRC 10.55.34 # Not that it helped :( 10.55.41 # I'll just mark this as depending on the cleanup and we'll have a nice dependency tree :-D 10.55.47 # Something like that anyway 10.56.32 # nls: (or anyone) Can you give me more details on this "lang build system bug"...? 10.56.40 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 10.56.42 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 10.56.47 # how does an archos behave with a 1.5 meg voice file anyway? 10.56.52 # i mean, 500kb for buffer? 10.56.56 # pondlife: FS#6652 10.57.02 # nls: what would happen with the recent patch (on Archos) if it tries to voice a splash during playback? Is it checked? 10.57.07 # Thanks 10.57.26 # preglow: you either have a voice file in the buffer - or playback 10.57.50 # preglow: Hwcodec can't do voice and playback at the same time anyway 10.57.55 # amiconn: right 10.58.05 # pixelma: afaict it hasn't been tested on archos at all 10.58.11 # so if you stop playback and enter some menus, there's a lag while the voice file is loaded? 10.58.16 # pixelma: Nothing. The voice code just returns when music is playing 10.59.04 # * preglow hugs swcodec 10.59.13 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@host-144-219.ch.le.ac.uk) 10.59.21 # preglow: the actual available is quite below 2MB at the moment (for example 1,39MB on my backlight modded Ondio) 10.59.37 # but I never noticed a lag... ;) 10.59.56 # pixelma: the ondio has no disk to spin up 10.59.58 # how do i play movies in an ipod video using rockbox? 11.00.08 # preglow: Most of the time there is no extra delay, because stopping playback spins up the disk, and when it drops to the menu the disk is still spinning 11.00.18 # nls: that's why the ;) ... :P 11.00.24 # blackbrother: Just select them in the file browser - see this page http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer 11.00.30 Join inversions [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 11.00.36 Join fejfighter [0] (n=jeffro21@C-210-10-162-20.syd.connect.net.au) 11.00.48 # On Ondio there used to be a delay because of the slow disk access, but that's worked around by loading the clips on demand 11.01.05 # blackbrother: But note that on the ipod video, you'll get much better results for video playback with Apple's firmware, not Rockbox. 11.01.24 # lol but to sync it takes almost 2 hours for me 11.02.03 # Compatibility to loading the whole voice file at once is retained: It loads the header, and then loads each single clip when it's used for the first time, to the position in memory where it belongs 11.03.02 # so u tellin me to play videos thru the normal way? 11.03.06 # yes 11.03.46 # is the refresh rate slower if we play thru rockbox? 11.03.56 # much slower 11.04.00 # dam 11.04.03 # Did you read the page I linked to? That explains it. 11.04.04 # ahh ok then 11.04.10 # not yet =) 11.04.18 # that summarises 10 pages ^^ 11.05.05 Join hannesd____ [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 11.05.05 *** Alert Mode level 1 11.05.05 DBUG Enqueued KICK hannesd__ 11.05.05 DBUG Enqueued KICK hannesd 11.05.05 *** Alert Mode level 2 11.05.05 DBUG Enqueued KICK hannesd___ 11.05.05 DBUG Enqueued KICK hannesd____ 11.05.05 *** Alert Mode level 3 11.05.13 # wow 10fps rofl 11.05.19 # thats really lagin 11.05.48 # That's because it's just using the main CPU, not the dedicated video decoding chip that the Apple firmware uses. 11.07.19 Ctcp Ignored 4 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 11.07.19 # * barrywardell loads an OF mi4 patched by sansapatcher :) 11.07.34 # Hurray :) From the firmware partition? 11.07.44 # rofl 11.08.01 # luckily bluyebrother cisn't here to see this 11.08.31 # who? 11.08.37 # umm 11.08.40 # *g* 11.09.11 # yes 11.09.14 # =P 11.09.21 # barrywardell: Is the CRC checking OK now? 11.09.23 Quit hannesd (Connection timed out) 11.09.33 # yes, that was the last problem I had to solve 11.09.50 # it also loads /System/OF.mi4 as a backup 11.10.00 # then /System/OF.bin and a second backup 11.10.06 Quit hannesd__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.11.14 # Is there any way in Rockbox to check the number of partitions on a disk? 11.11.23 # barrywardell: This may be useful - http://www.efn.org/~rick/work/u-boot/lib_arm/crc32.S 11.11.25 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 11.11.50 # barrywardell: the debug menu can display it 11.11.54 # barrywardell: You can read the partition table info, and count how many valid entries there are. 11.12.04 # what applications can I use to add patches 11.12.10 # dan333: patch 11.12.14 Nick blackbrother is now known as linuxstd (n=limpbizk@125-25-143-64.adsl.totbb.net) 11.12.18 # barrywardell: What do you need to check? 11.12.20 # it's a command line tool 11.12.30 Join iwantanimac [0] (n=iwantani@203-59-101-66.dyn.iinet.net.au) 11.12.47 Part iwantanimac 11.12.50 # linuxstd: please stop changing nicks all the time 11.13.00 # i want to check for the hidden partition. right now I'm doing it by checking the type of the second partition 11.13.32 Nick linuxstd is now known as blackbrother (n=limpbizk@125-25-143-64.adsl.totbb.net) 11.13.34 # I'm not sure you even need to do that - if there isn't a second partition, the bootloader won't be started anyway. 11.13.34 # aight 11.14.02 # most of us here are doing other things the same time so it is quite confusing 11.14.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.14.11 Join iwantanimac [0] (n=iwantani@203-59-101-66.dyn.iinet.net.au) 11.14.15 # and disturbs the development process somewhat ;-) 11.14.29 # linuxstb: there isn't a second partition on H10... 11.14.42 # or possibly on e200r 11.15.00 # was someone going to help me with my cygwin problem? 11.15.07 *** Alert Mode OFF 11.15.33 # dan333: cygwin never worked for me. get the VMWare image. heaps easier. 11.15.53 # I use a screenreader and only cygwin works I think 11.15.55 # wats cygin? 11.16.17 # blackbrother: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cygwin 11.16.17 # cygwin 11.16.43 # a set of unix binaries ported to windows... sorta 11.17.35 # wats it used for? 11.17.42 # in rockbox? 11.17.46 # you can e.g. use it for building rockbox 11.18.07 # anyone using ipod linux? 11.18.20 # my ipodlinux is i think u can call it messed up 11.18.37 # ipl refused to install on my ipod yesterday 11.18.43 # * iwantanimac points out the channel you're on. 11.19.11 # lol but i got it installed =P 11.19.26 # wat ipod u usin? 11.19.41 # mini 2G 11.19.42 # shuffle *giggles* 11.19.57 # hmm i got the tutorial for a 5g 11.20.01 # hehe 11.20.01 # really useful 11.20.04 # want it? 11.20.15 # nah 11.20.18 # ^^ aight 11.20.32 # i'm sure the manual is simple enough to follow. if my friend chris could install Rockbox on his 5g 11.20.40 # then anyone could... seriously. 11.21.01 # The manual is. I know for sure :P 11.21.04 # iwantanimac: you must be underestimating your friend the ;-) 11.21.12 # n 11.21.27 # well kinda =P 11.21.48 # anyone swapped the battery in the mini 2G? Is it the same as the mini 1G? 11.21.55 Quit iwantanimac ("food! =P") 11.22.01 # nls: Thanks for the help. Adding all Albums one by one worked perfectly. Now I'll never know what happened. But that's Ok :) 11.22.10 # "Fork the code between HWCODEC and SWCODEC to optimise the two development strands" <= who added this weird idea?? 11.22.24 # movezig: heh, ok, that works... :-) 11.22.28 # I think code should be unified rather than forked 11.23.05 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 11.23.25 # There already is a target which pretty much requires it - the AV3xx 11.23.30 # hey anyone changed a 5g ipod battery?? is it even possible? 11.23.36 # amiconn: it seems like EddyCorman added that, latest rev 11.23.38 # (if that port ever takes up speed - linuxstb??) 11.24.06 # * linuxstb_ replaces LinusN under the rockbox rock 11.24.37 # i think SoC project suggestions should be at least sanctioned by the core dev community before entering that list 11.24.42 # LinusN: me too 11.24.48 # * bluebrother hates websites being to unspecific 11.24.52 # the forking thing sounds stupid 11.24.53 # * amiconn reminds everyone that there is another virtually dead port - the tatung elio 11.24.55 # and should be removed 11.25.03 # If i installed vmware image and I could find a screanreader would it work with vmware image 11.25.15 # a linux screenreader 11.25.30 # dan333: I don't know, but you could connect to the vmware using ssh. 11.25.35 # hey 11.25.46 # EddyCorman also revived the idea of the "CompiledSkinProposal" - I thought that was already abandoned 11.25.53 # I'm pretty sure there is a ssh client for windows out there that works nicely with screenreaders 11.26.08 # amiconn: As I've got no immediate intentions of working on the Elio, you think it should be removed? 11.26.32 # what's ssh. 11.26.47 # amiconn: I'm happy to do that, and then perhaps post it to flyspray instead. 11.26.50 Join Shaid` [0] (i=shaid@203-214-40-220.dyn.iinet.net.au) 11.26.56 # linuxstb_: has any non-trivial code been done for it at all? 11.27.32 # dan333: secure shell, a way to log in to a remote computer over an encrypted channel 11.28.35 # is it hard to setup 11.28.49 # preglow: I can't remember anything significant. Although it does have one use - the bootloader build can be used as a "generic" portalplayer build which is useful for experimenting on new portalplayer targets. 11.29.14 # LinusN: couldn't you set some sort of edit restrictions on the SoC page and tell people to come here with their ideas? 11.29.24 # good idea 11.29.32 # i.e. the bootloader should run on any PP5020/1/2 target - there's no LCD or button code. 11.29.44 # dan333: not at all. The server is running in the vmware, and the client is simply to run a program 11.29.52 # putty is a widely used one 11.30.17 # linuxstb_: no lcd or button code? what use does it have then? 11.30.28 # disk reading and writing... 11.30.34 # good point 11.31.26 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.31.37 # The port is really just lacking an LCD driver. I can read most of the buttons (it has hundreds...) via GPIO, and it's a wolfson codec, so sound should be straightforward. 11.32.18 # * linuxstb_ should really dig into a disassembly and get the LCD working. 11.32.36 # is it a colour lcd? 11.32.42 # if I re run setup.exe and select every package will everything work 11.32.47 # Yes - 220x176. 11.33.04 # it should be the same interface as the other pp colour lcds then 11.33.15 # so half the work is done already! 11.33.23 Quit Shaid (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 11.33.23 Nick Shaid` is now known as Shaid (i=shaid@203-214-40-220.dyn.iinet.net.au) 11.33.28 # I'm pretty sure I tried variations on all the existing drivers, although I can't recall what stage the Sansa port was in at the time. 11.33.44 Quit qwm (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.33.44 NSplit kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 11.33.44 Quit preglow (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.33.59 # linuxstb_: Do you have access to the unencrypted of? 11.33.59 Quit Shaid ("I will see you, in the end. And I will laugh at your pain...") 11.34.01 # And searching the bootloader, I couldn't find references to any of the usual LCD register addresses. 11.34.14 NHeal kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 11.34.14 NJoin qwm [0] (n=qwm@h162n1fls34o1010.telia.com) 11.34.17 # amiconn: Yes - it's an mi4 firmware. Plus an unencrypted bootloader. 11.34.18 NJoin preglow [0] (n=thomjoha@hekta.edt.aft.hist.no) 11.34.25 # what happened... 11.35.00 # netsplit. 11.35.24 # i even got disconnected 11.35.24 Nick krebb is now known as datachild (i=krebb@linux.aeger.wind0ws.info) 11.36.04 # who is rob frowley? 11.36.07 # frawley 11.36.16 # i wish i knew 11.36.21 # I asked that before. Seems nobody knows 11.36.25 # I think he's sslashes 11.36.43 # (he requested wiki write access early this morning) 11.36.48 # doesn't sound like "very much involved" if nobody knows him 11.37.04 # indeed not 11.37.18 # Do we have (or want?) a list of SVN committers? 11.37.18 # I thought mentors needed to have commit access too? 11.37.20 # someone should just gut out all the surplus stuff and write protect it in some way 11.37.38 # petur: they need to have commit access and should definitely have had it for some time 11.37.53 # yup 11.38.15 # Is there some mechanism for preventing anyone registering as a mentor with google? e.g. approval by the person who submitted the application? 11.38.21 # * linuxstb_ looks at Bagder 11.38.47 # anyone can apply, but bagder approves them 11.38.56 # OK, good. 11.40.40 # and some of the projects on the page really aren't big enough 11.40.49 # Re: SoC projects, is it possible to add c++ stuff to rockbox without rewriting to c? 11.40.53 # like album art 11.41.08 # nls: no, not really 11.41.09 # combine it with metadata on buffer, and you might have something 11.41.09 Quit movezig (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.41.24 # * amiconn was too slow 11.41.25 # preglow: Considering Album Art is technically done 11.41.32 # nls: you pretty much need to wrap the c++ in c 11.41.38 # nls: and disable stuff like exceptions and rtti 11.41.46 # and dynamic memory 11.41.51 # yeah, that too 11.41.59 Join Shaid [0] (i=shaid@203-214-48-233.dyn.iinet.net.au) 11.42.02 # but that can be done pretty simply by overloading new/delete and using our own malloc 11.42.12 # preglow, LinusN: eSpeak is c++ and if we want that included in rockbox it seems like a pretty major undertaking 11.42.22 # nls: i've heard that uses few major c++ features 11.42.23 # lovely 11.42.49 # but for a core feature, it'll have to be rewritten 11.42.49 # wow, espeak does swedish :-) 11.42.55 # kewl 11.43.13 # preglow: so wrapping is ok for a plugin for example? 11.44.06 # Slasheri: are you there? 11.44.07 # nls: however, espeak sounds so awful that you sometimes don't hear what language it is anyway :-) 11.44.31 # ahaha :-) 11.44.47 # I thought you were going to say it sounds so awful that it sounds like Swedish 11.44.51 # * petur ducks 11.44.53 # nls: i'd say so, yes, but we'd start building c++ compilers as well, then 11.44.54 # bork! bork! 11.45.08 Join james_75 [0] (i=james_ri@CPE-155-143-105-38.vic.bigpond.net.au) 11.45.09 # nls: like our c, it also needs to not depend on any standard lib 11.45.31 # though i guess stl is ok, since it's purely templates 11.45.41 # let's not go there 11.45.42 # preglow: but if we only had c++ in plugins we could make a special make target for them :-) 11.45.43 # all iostream needs to be ported away, obviously 11.46.11 # so did anyone answer my question I want to know if I reinstall cygwin and select every package will it be fine and work 11.46.31 # lucky for you, c++ has almost no non-c standard library that isn't in templates :> 11.46.50 # dan333: well, if the first installation didn't work, i don't see how the next attempt would work better 11.47.25 # nls: Maybe setting up an environment for writing plugins in C++ could be a SoC project. 11.47.31 # maybe I left out a package 11.47.38 # linuxstb_: not a very big one, though 11.47.39 # dan333: possibly 11.47.53 # sounds like a one-week project to me, tops 11.48.03 # dan333: type this: ls /opt/m68k 11.48.29 # preglow: and a quite unwanted one too 11.48.47 # linuxstb_: I suggested a scummVM port as a SoC project, and that is c++ so a c++ plugin environment comes as a bonus on that one :-) 11.49.13 # in my view, c++ is not a bonus 11.49.15 # LinusN: if it works, i don't see why it should be unwanted 11.49.25 # disregarding your irration c++ phobia, that is :> 11.49.26 # * aliask just found out audio works fine in the rockbox sim under ubuntu. I think I just found a new media player. 11.49.28 # irattional... 11.49.36 # irrational... 11.49.40 # * preglow has coffee 11.49.59 # i rest my case 11.50.38 # LinusN: if we require that all the code for something in c++ is rewritten to c it will be hard to sync it when that project changes, but you do of course have veto... 11.50.57 # hey how do i install mame 11.51.03 # if we can have a clean c++ plugins framework, i see no reason it shouldn't be wanted 11.51.09 # as far core, though, c is the way to go 11.51.22 # * amiconn would prefer to stay away from c++ as well 11.51.23 # blackbrother: Wrong place to ask - I don't think many people here would know. 11.51.39 # amiconn: then don't work on the c++ plugins 11.51.42 # its part of rockbox right? 11.51.53 # blackbrother: no 11.52.04 # the core should be in c, but the applications on top (plugins) could be in c++ 11.52.05 # is the command eggyls /opt/m68k Eimann 11.52.06 # ohh 11.52.25 # sorry i don't understnad wat u guys r sayin 11.52.42 # blackbrother: rockbox does not run mame 11.52.54 # i do see pacman tho =P 11.52.55 Quit james_75 ("Freedom Chat - Your Home Away From Home | http://www.freedomchat.org | tIRC script by the Freedom Chat Leets") 11.53.10 # at the moment i am working at a company build measurement instruments and they also have a core in c and the apps using it are in c++ 11.53.25 Quit blackbrother () 11.54.00 Join B4gder [0] (n=daniel@100.78.227.87.static.s-cy.siw.siwnet.net) 11.54.23 Join limpbizkit70 [0] (n=limpbizk@125-25-143-64.adsl.totbb.net) 11.55.07 # LinusN: don't be so hard on espeak :) 11.55.12 # :-) 11.55.35 # austriancoder: sure, i don't see a problem for it, if someone makes it work: good, great, we now have more code we can use 11.55.36 # I made a little change to the dutch pronounciation of the 'r' which made a huge difference 11.55.48 # I think it would probably help with swedish as well 11.55.49 # i'd say the bloody same thing for java or python plugins 11.56.06 # if anyone succeeds in making c++ work for all platforms, i will listen 11.56.08 # (and german and french) 11.56.21 # LinusN: why would it be hard to make it work for all platforms? 11.56.36 Join james_75 [0] (i=james_ri@CPE-155-143-105-38.vic.bigpond.net.au) 11.56.37 # where is the virtual keyboard??? 11.56.41 # and imagine the high scores we can have when we start getting gcc's template error messages! :P 11.56.56 # because you must have runtime libraries and be able to build the c++ compiler 11.57.21 # limpbizkit70: It shows up in the screens where you need it, for the most part 11.57.32 # well, i welcome sometone to try 11.57.35 # I'd prefer to just port espeak to C 11.57.36 # me too 11.57.40 # i sincerely doubt it'll use it, though 11.57.47 # since i don't port much code 11.57.50 # without the "new" operator :-) 11.57.53 # oh 11.58.14 # limpbizkit70: save a file for example 11.58.26 # hmm i really don';t get u guys 11.58.52 # actually, the plugins could have their own private memory pool 11.59.10 # limpbizkit70: ? 11.59.15 Nick limpbizkit70 is now known as blackbrother (n=limpbizk@125-25-143-64.adsl.totbb.net) 11.59.23 # wats that mean 11.59.27 # LinusN: i was thinking more along the lines of just always letting c++ plugins have the mp3 buffer :> 11.59.49 # ????? 11.59.59 # blackbrother: ah, it was you again :) 12.00.04 # figures :) 12.00.08 # yea 12.00.08 # preglow: well, that wouldn't help espeak much, would it? 12.00.15 # Hey does anyone know if there is a way to use the alarm with out sighted asisstents on the ipod nano? 12.00.15 # yea 12.00.37 # ipod linux irc is so dead nobody is answerin lol 12.00.44 # james_75: no speech in the alarm setting screen? 12.00.51 # No 12.00.52 # preglow: Problem is, most plugin authors only have one (or a few) targets. In order to make them cross platform, other devs need to adapt them 12.00.58 # blackbrother: so, what do you want to do with the virtual keyboard? 12.01.09 # markun: type stuff 12.01.32 # When I go in to it it does not have nay speech at all 12.01.52 # blackbrother: you want to type a text? 12.01.56 # yea 12.02.04 Join iwantanimac [0] (n=iwantani@203-59-101-66.dyn.iinet.net.au) 12.02.15 # amiconn, preglow: and in my experience, people who feel they need to program in C++ generally have no clue the limitations of embedded programming 12.02.19 # well, you need an editor, not just a keyboard for that 12.02.26 # LinusN: espeak will be core anyway, i presume 12.02.31 # LinusN: so needs to be translated to c 12.02.51 # preglow: possibly 12.02.51 # having espeak as a plugin would be a nice start 12.02.55 # markun: btw. the swedish 'r' sounds quite different from the german 'r' - don't know how it compares to the others 12.03.08 # LinusN: i see this more as a way to be able to port c++ stuff at all 12.03.19 # markun: so how do i get it? 12.03.20 # yes 12.03.34 # LinusN: rewriting a big project like scummvm (which uses several nasty c++ features) will never happen 12.03.46 # should I just try rerunning setup.exe 12.03.58 # to fix my cygwin 12.04.02 # preglow: true 12.04.10 # blackbrother: there is a plugin called text_editor 12.04.13 # blackbrother: I see a plugin called "text_editor" but I've never tried it 12.04.18 # dan333: what's the problem? 12.04.19 # people want to write c++ because that's what they use, and yes, very few people have any idea what limitations you're facing when doing embedded stuff 12.04.31 # markun: so where can i get it 12.04.42 # blackbrother: in the "plugins" section 12.04.48 # they should of course be told to use c for new stuff 12.04.50 # should be easy to find 12.04.56 # preglow: absolutely 12.04.58 # anyway, i have a feeling this won't materialise anyway :> 12.05.08 # preglow: i share that feeling 12.05.37 # preglow: i think it goes in the line of my wma golden quote 12.06.09 # markun: ok i'll look for it 12.06.11 # depends, you can want to port scummvm and still have a clue 12.06.21 # but something along those lines, yes 12.06.23 # is there a calculator too? 12.06.35 # blackbrother: check the manual 12.07.32 Quit spug (Remote closed the connection) 12.07.35 # where is text_editor? 12.07.36 # blackbrother: are you sighted? 12.07.37 # blackbrother: it's better to ask questions after you've looked and still didn't find anything 12.07.53 # i loked and still didn't find 12.08.04 # blackbrother: It's highly recommended you read the manual. 12.08.05 # am in the plugin index 12.08.13 # blackbrother: it's under 't' 12.08.23 # It isn't a viewer? 12.08.25 # hat happens if u go in the alarm thing 12.08.30 # and "calculator" is under "c" 12.08.38 # linuxstb_: is it? 12.08.44 # markun: I don't know... 12.08.49 # linuxstb_: it's in the list 12.08.58 # for me too 12.09.02 # Ah, so it's probably both a viewer and a plugin - to allow new files to be created. 12.09.17 # * linuxstb_ keeps quiet 12.09.53 # if I didn't install some of the cygwin packages would I be getting errors when selecting normal build 12.10.00 # whcih 1 is it? 12.10.11 # http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/plugins/text_editor.c?view=log&pathrev=12122 12.10.19 Part mzp 12.10.21 # dan333: it depends, but generally no 12.10.26 # blackbrother: ah, you were looking for the source code? 12.10.30 # dan333: possibly 12.10.31 # hmm 12.10.32 # be more specific next time 12.10.37 # aight 12.10.48 # we thought you just wanted to run it in rockbox 12.10.54 # i do 12.11.11 # you don't need to download it 12.11.11 # * nls tears his hair out 12.11.14 # but my search went intot the sorce code area 12.11.24 # blackbrother: it's included in the rockbox install 12.11.29 # just run it 12.11.36 # under plugins? 12.11.37 # blackbrother: listen carefully: if the plugin works for your target, it will be included in the installation ZIP file 12.11.43 # s there ever gonna speech for the text editer 12.11.51 # dan333: why not? 12.12.01 # when espeak is ported.. 12.12.32 # wats up with my ipod it has a battery sign and an exclaimation mark 12.12.49 # blackbrother: low battery? 12.12.57 # http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-2000008.4.10 12.12.58 # blackbrother: please read the manual 12.13.16 # ok blue brother 12.13.19 # also someone said something about tts in rockbox is that right 12.13.20 # my arm asm isn't great. can anyone help me with how to use this with Rockbox: http://www.efn.org/~rick/work/u-boot/lib_arm/crc32.S 12.14.08 # dan333: that's what I was talking about. espeak is a tts program 12.15.14 # has any work being done on this and how long do u think it would take 12.15.42 # barrywardell: Is the current CRC checking noticably slow? 12.16.02 # dan333: 1) not really 2) depends on a lot of things 12.16.19 # exit 12.16.26 # sorry 12.16.31 # use /quit 12.16.31 # barrywardell: Also, going back to your partition table question, can't you just surround the reading of the OF from the second partiion by #ifdef SANSA_E200 ? 12.16.31 # got to go 12.16.40 Quit dan333 ("Freedom Chat - Your Home Away From Home | http://www.freedomchat.org | tIRC script by the Freedom Chat Leets") 12.16.53 # not when loading rockbox, but it is maybe 0.5-1 second for the OF 12.17.02 # Ouch... 12.17.09 # quit 12.17.13 # sorry 12.17.23 Quit james_75 ("Freedom Chat - Your Home Away From Home | http://www.freedomchat.org | tIRC script by the Freedom Chat Leets") 12.17.37 # two people in less'n a minute - both using the same client. yeesh. 12.18.03 # who are these freedomchat guys.. 12.18.04 # well, that's reading the firmware and doing the crc... 12.18.45 # You could test by disabling the CRC check - maybe the C implementation is fast enough... 12.19.53 # Also, is the CPU boosted in the bootloader? 12.21.00 # no, no boosting in the bootloader, I could add that 12.22.19 Join brownie17 [0] (n=brownie1@82.6.87.203.static.vic.chariot.net.au) 12.22.53 # hi. can i get a hand? i recently installed rockbox on my 30gb ipod video, and atm the whole thing is frozen. just wanna know how i can turn it off so i can fix it 12.23.19 # press and hold Menu + select 12.23.27 # at least for a couple of seconds. 12.24.45 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.215.93) 12.25.06 # yeah thanks i had actually tried that earlier, but it worked this time 12.25.48 # you need to hold it for quite a while, and it seems to be a different time sometimes 12.26.00 # I've had to hold it for 45 seconds sometimes 12.26.06 # oh okay 12.26.07 # strange 12.26.08 # thanks though 12.26.14 # i was getting a little worried 12.26.34 # i have another question, not that i really care, and i guess you probably don't even know, but does installed rockbox void an apple warranty? 12.26.40 # There's never a need to worry - ipods are resilient beasts. 12.26.52 # brownie17: it might do if you sent it back to them with it still installed 12.27.00 # brownie17: but it's pretty easy to get rid of it too 12.27.04 # LinusN, preglow: hm, the memory consumption is a lot more than I expected: https://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=4209622 12.27.21 # GodEater, good point, alright. good night lads, music is pumping away again 12.27.22 # but maybe we can bring it down a lot 12.27.30 Quit brownie17 () 12.27.46 # markun: 1MB isn't too bad though. 12.28.32 # linuxstb_: and a ARM(9?) at '28 MHz' sounds quite ok 12.28.52 # and I'm sure he didn't try very hard to optimize it for speed if it runs fine on a 200MHz machine 12.29.13 Quit PaulJam (".") 12.31.56 # One implementation idea - we could create a special plugin buffer (e.g. 1MB) at the end of RAM (but before the codec and plugin buffers). The espeak plugin would be loaded there if enabled by the user (and hence available at all times), otherwise the space would be used in the audio buffer as it is currently. 12.34.15 # linuxstb_: maybe an idea to create a wiki for TTS/espeak ideas? 12.34.21 # http://daniel.haxx.se down? 12.34.35 # linuxstb_: the crc32 takes 2,137,076usec both with and without boosting 12.38.00 # barrywardell: That sounds like an odd result... 12.38.25 # well, give or take a couple of usecs 12.38.25 # linuxstb_: that's a bit like what i was thinking about for album art before MoB 12.38.51 # dukeman: no 12.39.05 # Strange 12.39.12 # no, now it works 12.39.23 # Couldn't reach it at all 10 minutes ago 12.39.45 # linuxstb_: there's a filebufend pointer that could be moved 12.39.54 # rofl 12.40.02 # linuxstb_: it's not odd if the sansa is already running at the max frequency. or if frequency scaling isn't working right on the sansa 12.41.19 Quit iwantanimac ("...") 12.41.48 # i guess this is it 12.41.53 # thx for everything 12.41.57 Quit fejfighter () 12.42.10 # laters 12.42.54 # bye 12.43.41 Join ctaf [0] (n=ctaf@ram94-6-82-242-23-70.fbx.proxad.net) 12.45.12 # barrywardell: Going back to incorporating that ARM asm version, I think you'll need to look in the Linux kernel source for the other files - e.g. the crctab that it needs. Apart from that, you can probably just add it to bootloader/SOURCES, and define the prototype somewhere as defined in the comment in the .S file. 12.46.03 # But maybe leave that as future work? 12.46.21 # yeah, i'll leave that so someone with more knowledge of ARM asm 12.46.44 Part Redbreva 12.47.01 Join brun0_ [0] (n=brun0_@160.228.157.232) 12.47.03 # hello 12.47.15 # what prevents rockbox to run on ipod nano v2 ? 12.47.24 # where do we need to crc? 12.47.29 # barrywardell: But apart from that, is it looking good? Any bugs remaining? 12.47.34 # brun0_: the total and complete lack of documentation on the hardware 12.47.47 # preglow: In the Sansa bootloader to check the CRC of the original firmware. 12.47.47 # yes, no bugs I can find. I'll post a patch in a second 12.47.49 # brun0_: plus the fact that apple has encrypted absolutely everything, keeping us from finding the info on our own 12.48.05 # the first gen wasn't encrypted ? 12.48.10 # brun0_: no 12.48.14 # brun0_: The 2nd gen Nano is completely different hardware to earlier ipods... 12.48.19 # ok 12.48.31 # so it's really and apple decision against rockbox/ipodlinux ? 12.48.35 # s/and/an 12.48.44 # i think it's more apple figting against hardware pirates 12.48.50 # but we're hit as a consequence 12.48.56 # ok 12.49.01 # ok. who wants to test this on sansa/h10: http://pastebin.ca/397306 12.49.01 # but no one knows for sure 12.49.36 # i've tested on my own sansa and H10, but may have missed something 12.50.33 Quit printfXh4 (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.53.55 # linuxstb_: the list of players is becoming quite big for these platforms: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SamsungSA58 12.53.58 # how do you do to develop rockbox for a new hardware ? 12.54.02 # step by step ? 12.54.29 # are there any targets with SD slots? 12.54.42 # brun0_: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort 12.54.50 # daurnimator: MicroSD on the Sansa, and MMC on the Ondio, are the closest. 12.55.00 # damn :P 12.55.10 # any possible targets with one 12.55.25 # Why is it important that it be SD specifically? 12.55.34 # daurnimator: Nintendo DS? 12.55.40 # specifically, SDIO 12.55.43 # thanks 12.56.31 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 12.56.48 Quit pondlife ("disconnected has pondlife") 12.59.54 # daurnimator: would be a lot easier than USB, right? 13.00.10 # should be 13.00.20 # also less bulky 13.01.09 Nick linuxstb__ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 13.01.24 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 13.01.31 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@p54BCCFE3.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.02.28 # daurnimator: The Tatung Elio has a SD slot...http://www.pcpro.co.uk/shopper/reviews/74297/tatung-elio.html :) 13.03.09 Mode "#rockbox +o Zagor " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 13.04.30 # oh 13.04.42 # reckon MicroSD in sansa is SDIO? 13.04.56 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 13.04.59 # linuxstb_: I think sansapatcher should write the rb model and type strings to the mi4 header of the relocated OF 13.05.24 # daurnimator: do you need special hardware for it? 13.05.36 Topic "Planned downtime: Web and mail server upgrade tonight ~18:00 GMT" by Zagor (n=bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 13.05.37 # not sure 13.05.42 # I thought it would just be memory mapped IO 13.07.00 # wouldn't this be fun on a sansa?: http://www.spectec.com.tw/sdw823.htm 13.07.06 # daurnimator: looks like it will not always work no: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital_card#SDIO 13.08.40 # it usually just needs some obscure drivers on a portable platform 13.10.03 Join z0de [0] (i=z0de@80-194-233-59.cable.ubr01.enfi.blueyonder.co.uk) 13.10.39 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.11.22 Quit barrywardell () 13.12.11 Quit austriancoder ("leaving") 13.13.18 # barrywardell (for the logs): That would be easy to add, but why do you want it there? It's not a Rockbox file. 13.13.51 # barrywardell: That OF should never leave the firmware partition, so I'm not sure why it would be useful. 13.14.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.19.06 # 188mA avg. current. Quite a lot compared to the normal runcurrent of our targets 13.19.10 # * GodEater attempts to install wxGTK-2.8.2 onto Gentoo with a self-hacked ebuild 13.19.39 # amiconn: with the M5L and the backlight on? 13.20.29 # No, the MicroSD wifi card daurnimator linked to 13.21.37 # isn't it standard SD? 13.22.07 Quit SirFunk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.23.28 Nick swimmer[zzZZzz] is now known as swimmer (n=swimmer@komalaystefan.xs4all.nl) 13.23.47 # * pixelma wonders (?) why there are now short stops when scrolling long lists on her Ondio... 13.24.42 # pixelma: Database list(s)? 13.24.50 # though I have to admit that I've never scrolled such a long list before... 13.24.58 # ...yes "all artists" 13.24.59 # daurnimator: "micro SDIO" 13.25.15 # the physical size given also seems to be a micro SD size 13.25.37 # The stops in the database lists are due to chunked browsing 13.26.19 # and even the logo on the card itself says micro ;-) 13.26.23 Join pearldiver [0] (n=say@cpe-72-225-231-80.nyc.res.rr.com) 13.26.33 Nick swimmer is now known as swimmer[afk] (n=swimmer@komalaystefan.xs4all.nl) 13.26.34 # If there are more ntries in the database list than the setting "max files in dir browser" specifies, the databse loads the list in chunks 13.26.44 Nick swimmer[afk] is now known as swimmer (n=swimmer@komalaystefan.xs4all.nl) 13.26.53 # ah... didn't know that, sorry 13.27.37 Part swimmer 13.29.09 Join Xerion_ [0] (i=xerion@vhe-382201.sshn.net) 13.30.35 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.32.15 # linus and Llorean I made you co-admins of the gsoc stuff on google 13.32.24 # LinusN even 13.32.38 # wooooo 13.32.39 Join Xerion [0] (i=xerion@vhe-382201.sshn.net) 13.32.52 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 13.32.59 Quit Xerion_ (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.33.00 Quit aliask (Remote closed the connection) 13.33.08 # and I've accepted a bunch of mentors now 13.34.51 # woooo again 13.36.51 # did you get any mail when I accepted you? 13.38.20 # not me 13.39.05 # well, maybe they don't do that 13.39.44 # B4gder: "[23:20:31] isn't it standard SD?" was in relation to "[23:18:00] 188mA avg. current. " 13.39.47 Quit jhulst (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.39.54 # oh 13.40.07 # rephrased: "aren't all SD cards run at that current" 13.40.10 # I would assume a wifi card to use a lot more than a mere memory card 13.40.22 Join thewho [0] (i=95e13c55@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6d03955589e0c7f8) 13.40.22 # wifi card use is constant 13.40.26 # When I'm listening to music (H120) and go to the playlist (via conext menu), pressing PLAY doesn't bring me back to WPS. Is it a bug or a feature? 13.40.31 # memory card access would be periodical 13.40.41 # and that number is "average" 13.41.00 # ...as in "View current playlist" 13.41.05 # thewho: well, it's always been this way... dunno if you'd call it bug or feature 13.41.06 # and I doubt the wifi card spends that current constantly 13.41.25 # thewho: the playlist viewer is still a little special 13.41.44 # LinusN: but is it wanted that way? 13.41.54 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@adsl-69-208-75-153.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) 13.42.36 # I'd expect the PLAY takes me back to WPS as everywhere else 13.44.03 # thewho: i think it should go to the wps 13.44.25 # the real problem would be the menu button 13.44.31 # LinusN: me too. I hope JdGordon is reading this ;-) 13.44.48 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 13.44.59 # ....as he's the master of key bindings etc. 13.45.37 # LinusN: what problem do you mean? 13.45.49 Quit markun (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.45.51 # thewho: the playlist viewer has its own menu 13.45.55 Quit webguest37 ("CGI:IRC") 13.46.04 # but we want the menu button to go to the main menu 13.46.58 # LinusN: While you're in the main menu (not the settings menu), should you be able to quickmenu? 13.47.01 # LinusN: IMO we could remap the playlist viewer menu to whatever we use to enter the quick menu usually 13.47.03 # LinusN: aha! Never knew that (never used). But I think it's ok that the playlist has its own menu. But pressing PLAY should return to WPS 13.47.35 # nls: thanks - then there would be no playlist viewer menu on Ondio... 13.47.44 Join markun [0] (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 13.48.00 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b9a4a.ucd.ie) 13.48.02 # (just saying it's not as easy) 13.48.29 # i think it should be possible to merge the menu into the context menu 13.49.01 # pixelma: ah, right... 13.49.21 # Most users never even know that the plalist viewer has a menu tho 13.50.01 # B4gder: anyway, reckon sansa could support it? ;) 13.50.02 Quit thewho ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 13.50.49 # * amiconn would rather drop the quickmenu(s) 13.50.55 # I don't know the differences and particulars of (micro) SD 13.51.05 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 13.55.08 Join MadCOWfromSWEDEN [0] (n=MadCOWfr@m83-178-5-174.cust.tele2.se) 13.55.22 # B4gder: I think there's an error in the "mi4 Header Explained" section on your site. the crc32 starts at 0x200, not 0x1c 13.56.10 Quit MadCOWfromSWEDEN (Client Quit) 13.57.20 # that doesn't make sense 13.57.23 # the mi4 header is only some 0x40 bytes big 13.57.30 Join Marty_Kubuntu [0] (n=marty@bus77-2-82-244-151-215.fbx.proxad.net) 13.57.40 # hello 13.57.47 # i have a question 13.57.48 # i mean the crc is calculated from 0x200 13.57.53 # B4gder: I applied to be a mentor, now I just have to hope I will be accepted :) 13.58.05 # ah, _from_ 0x200 oh yes 13.58.37 # markun: you haven't appeared in my list (yet) 13.59.08 # i'm using rockbox with my Iaudio X5L, can i still boot the iaudio firmware ? 14.00.01 # barrywardell: thanks, updated the page now 14.00.07 # B4gder: now I should be 14.00.14 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.00.38 # markun: and you are now accepted 14.01.00 # Marty_Kubuntu: not with the official bootloader 14.01.20 # thanks! 14.01.21 # there is an unsupported version somwhere that supports it 14.01.33 # B4gder: did you see Robert Frawley II applied as student? 14.01.56 # yes 14.02.08 # nls: if i'm using rockbox firmware, that's mean i have the rockbox bootloader ;-) 14.02.47 # nls: so, how to use iaudio firmware with the rockbox bootloader ? 14.02.53 # Marty_Kubuntu: yes, but there is a modified rockbox bootloader that can dualboot, jus tsaying, I don't remember where it is 14.03.05 # ok 14.03.42 # imho, we should get those changes into our boot loader, hackish or not 14.03.43 # B4gder: Do you know, is the "Comment" feature how we're supposed to try to recommend refinements to the Students at this time? 14.04.08 # I don't know, I thought I'd read up on the issue before I use them 14.04.45 # I definitely don't think "Customizable controls" are a relevant part of a "WPS and Themeing overhaul" 14.05.02 # Even if they were a desired feature, they wouldn't fit the project as described. 14.05.22 # imho they would be a support nightmare 14.05.57 # I think most of us agree they'd be pretty nightmarish to support, yes. :) 14.06.22 # I really want to elicit more information on just what this person intends with his revamped themeing idea. 14.06.28 # relocating theme files like backgrounds and such should be possible now we store settings in a file (path can be included) 14.07.12 # (the idea of keeping all files of a theme together) 14.07.15 # Llorean: yes, pretty vague so far 14.07.23 # I can see a theme/wps theme/backdrop and theme/font subfolder of .rockbox 14.07.34 # Err theme/fonts 14.07.35 # and theme/backdrops 14.07.41 # I'm apparently bad with plurals. 14.08.20 # or one theme per folder and all theme stuff in that folder 14.08.32 # I'm not sure I agree with backdrops belonging with the rest of the theme though. 14.08.33 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 14.08.39 Nick linuxstb__ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 14.08.43 # At least the way things currently stand, backdrops don't have anything to do with the WPS. 14.08.47 Quit linuxstb_ (Nick collision from services.) 14.09.05 # wps, no but theme, yes 14.09.26 # Yes, but I think that's the thing, WPS deserves to be kept separate from "Theme", the concepts shouldn't merge. 14.09.33 # barrywardell: Did you check the crc32 changes with a v2 firmware? I could test on my Elio if you haven't. 14.09.44 # A theme should load a WPS and a backdrop, but the user should have the option to separate the two easily. 14.09.55 # Especially if Tree/Menu themeing becomes possible. 14.09.57 # linuxstb: no. i don't have access to any device with a v2 firmware 14.10.02 # barrywardell: Also, do you want to make a beta version of sansapatcher available with your bootloader? I can build a win32 version if you can't. 14.10.13 # sometimes, when my battles against c++ templates are at their worst... 14.10.34 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.230.92) 14.10.34 # any interesting add ons u thing i should get? 14.10.38 # barrywardell: I'm guessing it also needs Rockbox as a .mi4 as well? 14.10.53 # blackbrother: the manual :D 14.11.34 # yeah, sure. I'm thinking about committing the new bootloader 14.11.37 # here we go again with the manual (i read it) 14.11.44 # just now 14.11.50 # hehe 14.12.08 # you just asked for "add ons" ... 14.12.08 # but isn't there an cool addons that isn't in the manual? 14.12.13 # no. 14.12.17 Part Marty_Kubuntu ("Kopete 0.11.1 : http://kopete.kde.org") 14.12.20 # wat about stull inside 14.12.25 # stuff* 14.12.29 # but people will need to update their bootloader to use new SVN builds 14.12.41 # unless you get game data files (like the doom wads) or patches you compile yourself 14.12.55 # yea i want games how do i add them 14.12.59 # there are themes, but I guess you found that already 14.13.10 # barrywardell: If I was you, I wouldn't change the build servers to create .mi4 files yet. I think you also need to warn Bagder about the name changes... 14.13.19 # you can't simply add games. Either compile them yourself or use games that are shipped. 14.13.24 # any links that have a whole bunch of games 14.13.37 # barrywardell: i.e. change the bootloader, but not Rockbox itself. 14.13.38 # how do i compile 14.13.45 # you can't simply add games from some site 14.13.48 # linuxstb: yeah, ok. I can do that 14.13.49 # read the wiki 14.14.11 # i read it but don't understnad =) too specific 14.14.40 # compiling is specific 14.15.05 # barrywardell: Is upgrading the bootloader easy on the H10? i.e. do you just put the bootloader .mi4 somewhere in the FAT32 partition? 14.15.13 # if you don't understand it then it is nothing for you 14.15.17 # Nice, the Meizu M6 firmware is unencrypted! 14.15.21 # it's that simple. 14.15.34 # nothing for me?? =( 14.15.37 # yeah, just a matter of putting it in the System directory 14.16.00 # any site that'll help? 14.16.05 # * linuxstb wonders if it could be part of the rockbox.zip file... 14.16.09 # nope. Unless you are willing to spend loads of time to learn it. 14.16.19 # blackbrother: no, no, no. 14.16.21 # * linuxstb then rejects that idea. 14.16.22 # ok i will now pass me the link =) 14.16.34 Quit himitsu ("Leaving") 14.16.39 # B4gder: I'm seeing if I can get some etiquette tips at the summer of code IRC channel then. 14.16.50 # a good idea 14.17.11 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54967357.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.17.28 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@admin-147-222.potsdam.edu) 14.18.52 # B4gder: The general consensus seems to be "Discuss via the comments when asking for more information or clarification so it's public and all the mentors can see it" 14.19.15 # ok 14.19.18 # barrywardell: Thinking about people upgrading Rockbox - if they have an old "rockbox.e200" file, then they may not noticed that new zip files contain rockbox.mi4 instead - so will continue running the old version... 14.19.26 # Llorean: great, then let's! 14.19.41 # linuxstb: the new bootloader doesn't look for rockbox.e200 any more 14.19.44 # B4gder: On a related note, they suggested we might want to put a Google SoC banner on our page instead of just the text link. 14.19.59 # barrywardell: That's what I mean - if people install the new rockbox.zip without upgrading their bootloaders... 14.20.00 # I didn't know there was one 14.20.22 # ah, yes 14.20.23 # B4gder: I'm asking. 14.21.04 # i'm not sure what we can do about that apart from make a clear post about it in the forums and wiki 14.23.14 # barrywardell: How about a transitional period where we keep the name .e200, but change to MI4 format - the old bootloader will fail to recognise it. 14.24.12 # Or maybe include a dummy .e200 file in the zip, so it will delete the previous version of Rockbox? 14.24.17 Quit Shaid (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.25.32 # linuxstb: the dummy file could be an executable with nothing but a splash saying "Please upgrade the bootloader" 14.25.47 # i prefer the dummy file option 14.25.58 # LinusN: A cool idea. 14.26.01 # speaking of which, can't we detect that the ipod loader is old? 14.26.19 # Slasheri: I want to repeat my question about "auto-update" of the database again, because I'm confused now. You said it would only be possible with dircache, now I found that the option is there on Archos and the wiki says it would work bur wouldn't recognise deleted files... 14.26.38 # s/bur/but 14.26.42 # LinusN: I think dan_a thought he had done that - but it seems his detection only worked on his ipod, and no-one elses... 14.26.47 # B4gder: http://pastebin.ca/397390 How does this look? 14.27.39 # Llorean: looks fine 14.27.42 # B4gder: Also, apparently no official banner, the person was just suggesting we knock together something, like a temporary modification of the main logo or something similar 14.27.43 # maybe we should add a version to the mi4 header too? 14.28.39 # experience says version number is good 14.29.01 # pixelma: yes, that's correct 14.29.13 # which? 14.29.19 # pixelma: auto update without dircache is slow, eats battery and detects only new files 14.30.11 # so would it be still needed 14.30.43 # sure, some users may still prefer it 14.30.59 # that does not add much code size either 14.31.14 # and with small databases it works better 14.31.38 # does anyone use iboy? 14.31.54 # blackbrother: i'm sure *someone* does 14.31.56 # i really want this but its causing me lotta trouble to get it working 14.32.08 # can anyone help me out please 14.32.10 # blackbrother: rockbox doesn't have iboy 14.32.27 # blackbrother: ask in #ipodlinux 14.32.37 # i am but the people are so dead that 14.32.45 # they are zombies 14.32.57 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484C4C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.33.02 # It would be really, really neat if I could *remove* a comment if I double post. 14.33.08 # * Llorean sighs 14.33.15 # * Llorean is off to an inauspicious start. 14.33.26 Quit brun0_ (Remote closed the connection) 14.33.33 # blackbrother: "They don't answer" isn't a reason to ask us questions about someone else's software. 14.34.01 # Slasheri: I was just asking because of the .lang cleanup 14.36.10 # ^^ no 14.36.41 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 14.37.51 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@p549AD508.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.39.05 # PP is arm4? 14.40.17 # arm4t 14.41.03 # Thanks 14.41.29 Nick blackbrother is now known as PP (n=limpbizk@125-25-143-64.adsl.totbb.net) 14.41.39 # np 14.42.49 # barrywardell: Why did you want the extra rockbox header information in the original firmware .mi4? 14.43.08 # I thought that would just be for identifying Rockbox files. 14.43.27 # hmm. Should FS#6827 really considered as a bug? 14.43.46 # PP: PLEASE stop this! 14.44.02 # linuxstb: the bootloader shows it in verbose mode. might be helpful for debugging problems 14.44.54 # barrywardell: Should we create another "RB" code? e.g. "RBOF" ? 14.45.29 # yeah, that would be good. we might not need it, but no harm in having it there 14.45.43 # bluebrother: I don't know, which change is he referring to? 14.45.49 # linuxstb: sansapatcher needs something like BOOT_OPTS (like you do in ipodpatcher), to compile it without the Bootloader.. (for rbutil) :-) 14.46.02 Join geoaxis [0] (n=geoaxis@unaffiliated/geoaxis) 14.46.40 # Llorean: r12592 by roolku afaics 14.47.01 # IMO it's just a tag that changed, and if this breaks his wps it's not a bug 14.47.10 # * GodEater comes back from the pub ti find his hacked ebuild for wxGTK 2.8 has worked apparently 14.47.15 # Domonoky: Can't you just create a dummy "bootimg" char* ? 14.47.49 # I guess you can't - there's the .h file as well.... 14.48.10 Quit PaulJam (".") 14.48.30 # i could make a fake .h file. 14.49.03 # Maybe have a "RBUTIL" define - so things can be excluded with #ifndef RBUTIL 14.49.51 Join tucoz [0] (i=528612c1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ccf666300e20103f) 14.49.51 Join qwx [0] (n=qwm@h162n1fls34o1010.telia.com) 14.50.01 # Hello 14.50.06 # hi tucoz 14.50.29 # bluebrother: I don't think the change should've affected those tags though? 14.50.36 Part tucoz 14.51.01 # jeah a #ifndef RBUTIL would work.. 14.51.07 Join tucoz [0] (n=tucoz@rockbox/staff/tucoz) 14.51.21 # hmm - that looks to have at least changed the errors I get on compiling now 14.51.30 # Do you mind if rearrange the soc page a little? 14.51.43 # I want to add an additional level 14.51.46 # Llorean: afaics they shouldn't 14.51.54 # the manual level? ;-) 14.51.59 # hehe 14.52.16 # Domonoky: I'm getting this error trying to build rbutil on linux now : wizard_pages.cpp:326: error: no matching function for call to \u2018wxString::Printf( 14.52.26 # no, add another level under the different categories 14.52.46 # tucoz: Feel free if you think it's appropriate. I'm sure you can be trusted. ;) 14.52.50 # I *think* this is because on the const char* in the call, does it need to wrapped in something ? 14.52.54 # and add the bullets under that. That is, WMA codec will get its own heading 14.53.10 # Llorean, thanks. i'll do that then 14.53.26 # GodEater: jeah it needs to be in wxT() 14.53.53 # is this something that's fixed in your source tree that you've not commited ? 14.54.23 # svn compiles here 14.54.26 # with unicode wx 14.54.45 # its now fixed in my source tree, but i have a non working sansapatcher in my tree, so i cant commit it :-) 14.54.57 # linuxstb: hmm, perhaps we need one of those sleep() things on shutdown for pp too 14.55.19 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A97021.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.55.27 # linuxstb: what do you think about committing the bootloader and mi4 changes together with a dummy rockbox.e200/rockbox.h10 for the zip? 14.55.59 # preglow: are you referring to my commit? 14.56.02 # Domonoky: ok - I'll just muddle on through then 14.56.04 # barrywardell: aye 14.56.27 # s/sleep()/while(1)/ :> 14.56.50 # Domonoky: neat - that appeared to be the only error! 14.56.53 Quit Stalwart (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.56.57 # :-) 14.57.09 # I've only noticed it while working on the bootloader - i found it kept running some code after power_off() finished 14.57.19 Join Stalwart [0] (n=stalwart@ip-10.154.Home-Lan.fastnet.lv) 14.57.23 # i think i actually tried stuffing a while(1) there at one time 14.57.29 # to see if it solved the backlight flickering i get on shutdown 14.57.55 # Domonoky: unfortunately it doesn't run =( Probably more my issue than yours though 14.58.05 # GodEater: the glibc issue? 14.58.09 # GodEater: amd64? 14.58.12 # GodEater: munmap error ? 14.58.36 # barrywardell: I think we need to test sansapatcher and the new bootloader first, before releasing it. At the same time the bootloader is released, we can then change the build system to generate .mi4 files, include the dummy .e200 file, and update the install instructions. 14.58.49 # ok, sounds good 14.59.13 # preglow: no - i686 here 14.59.15 # Dummy .e200 file? 14.59.16 # GodEater: weird 14.59.18 # * Llorean missed something 14.59.20 # i get the same thing 14.59.30 # well, then it's probably not a 64 bit specific issue, at least :> 14.59.31 # Domonoky: *** glibc detected *** ./rbutil: munmap_chunk(): invalid pointer: 0x0854c044 *** 14.59.42 # i'll commit just the bootloader changes for now 14.59.48 # preglow: :) 14.59.57 # Llorean: The main Rockbox binary is changing from rockbox.e200 to rockbox.mi4 - so if someone installs a new rockbox.zip without upgrading the bootloader, the old .e200 version will still be loaded. 15.00.11 # GodEater: same error as many other on linux, but i dont know what causes this.. :-( 15.00.12 # Llorean: The idea is to include a dummy .e200 file in the rockbox.zip which will overwrite that e200 file. 15.00.27 # linuxstb: Why are we naming it .mi4 though? 15.00.39 # * GodEater rolls his sleeves up and prepares to get into ddd 15.00.53 # For consistency. It will allow us to make Rolo load any .mi4 file. 15.01.12 # Is there any reason you can't leave it *named* .e200 but make it a valid mi4? 15.01.51 # I'd kinda like to take the rockbox.iriver from the H100 and H300 and rename those .h100 and .h300 (and .h120) 15.02.12 # But this is more or less so users are likely to notice if they're installing the wrong build. 15.02.46 # I dunno, maybe simplifying the extensions is better. 15.02.52 # It's similar to everything called ".ipod" on the ipods - ipodpatcher deals with .ipod files, and so does rolo. Although I can understand the desire to give filenames a unique name on each platform. 15.03.05 # I'm not happy with the .ipod thing either. ;) 15.03.22 # Lay users tend to assume that if the filename is the same, the file is the same (or if the extension is the same, it'll work in the same places) 15.03.29 # wouldn't it be better to keep the target name encoded in the filename, not the extension? 15.03.43 # preglow: rockbox-h120.iriver? Or even h120.rockbox? 15.03.54 # rockbox-h120.bin, whatever 15.04.03 # .bin is good too 15.04.05 # something seems wrong by using the extension for the target name 15.04.16 # I agree with that. 15.05.00 # Now it's easier to add category-feature specific stuff to the SoC page 15.05.09 # and by not using the extension, it's more likely to be seen by everyone too 15.05.13 # some oses hide extensions... 15.05.14 # preglow: I wouldn't be against a uniform extension as long as there's a target-specific bit in the filename. 15.05.24 # Llorean: that being the point of it all, yes :) 15.05.38 # I was just using a very long form of "I agree with you" :-P 15.05.57 # why not use the device as file extension? rockbox.h120 etc. 15.06.04 # tucoz: that looks much better 15.06.10 # because i think the idea is clearer if it's in the file name 15.06.13 # That would mean people will actually get bootloader error messages saying "rockbox-mini2g.bin not found" instead of obscure checksum errors 15.06.16 # I think the ffmpeg people have a nice page, with specifications etc. for each project. Maybe we should try to add "wanted skills" or something to the different projects 15.06.20 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.195.130) 15.06.33 # tucoz: the soc page should get more specific than it is now indeed 15.06.34 # Llorean: Although "rockbox-mini2g.bin not found" won't fit on the mini's LCD... 15.06.47 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 15.06.52 # linuxstb: I thought it was on two lines anyway? 15.07.04 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.195.130) 15.07.11 # Or is rockbox-mini2g.bin too long on its own? 15.07.21 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.07.22 # It should be OK... 15.08.19 # anywho, this is what i think would be the best solution, uniform extension for the same concept, rockbox in the name, plus a specific target 15.08.26 # people are more comfortable with file names than extensions 15.08.34 # But my complaint is on the issue of "identical filenames on incompatible targets" rather than what they're actually named. 15.08.36 # back to work 15.08.38 Part tucoz 15.08.55 # Llorean: sure, i just think we should do it properly if we're going to change things around anyway 15.09.08 # preglow: Fine by me. :) 15.09.27 # But if the issue is people putting the wrong files on their device, we can easily check for that in the bootloader and display a "wrong target!" error message. 15.09.42 # linuxstb: that's definitly one of the issues 15.09.43 # hmm. Wouldn't file extensions have the advantage that the average user won't see them? 15.09.56 # bluebrother: what's the advantage in that? 15.10.08 # (and thus not rename like rockbox-ipodvideo.ipod to rockbox-ipodnano.ipod) 15.10.10 # bluebrother: The whole point is so that people see it.. 15.10.13 # we WANT them to see they've got the right target 15.10.29 # On X5 and M5 the rockbox binary is also called rockbox.iaudio 15.10.34 # oh, then my argumentation is beaten ;-) 15.10.45 # linuxstb: I wouldn't mind that either, but that doesn't reduce the confusion of Bob Average posting rockbox.ipod up on a message board saying "This is patched with blah". I'm not sure if that's a problem we care about, but it does create some noise. 15.11.10 # "That" being "Checking for a version in the bootloader" 15.12.03 Join aegray__ [0] (n=aegray@74-139-219-59.dhcp.insightbb.com) 15.12.20 Nick joshin_ is now known as joshin (n=joshin@unaffiliated/joshin) 15.13.43 # I guess we should also try and decide if we want rockbox-whatever.whatever in .rockbox or not. 15.14.11 # i'd say we do 15.14.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.14.21 # Absolutely 15.14.26 # clean and good, and i can see no downsides to it 15.14.42 # Downside is harder to rolo it. 15.14.56 # i don't know how important i think that is 15.15.08 # I think anyone who knows about RoLo knows how to switch file view modes. 15.15.19 # if that's something people want to do a lot, we should have a menu entry for it 15.15.28 # Besides, RoLo doesn't require that the file is anywhere, so any RoLo'd firmwares can still be in the root. 15.15.31 # Personally, I'm happy with it in the root, but can see that for 99.9% of users, it will be better in .rockbox 15.15.35 # It's only the boot firmware that needs to be in .rockbox 15.15.46 # linuxstb: anyway, i still think we should support both 15.15.54 # linuxstb: it's primarily a matter of where we put it in the zips 15.15.57 # preglow: I agree, that costs nothing. 15.16.12 # We already do support both, we'd just be changing the default location. 15.16.20 # yes, and that should be .rockbox, no doubt 15.16.28 # And on a related note to what Preglow said, a "Restart" and a "Shutdown" menu entry would be nice, I think. 15.16.58 # does anyone want a piece of how much i hate writing parsers? 15.17.02 # Why shutdown (except on the 2 soft-shutdown targets)? 15.17.45 # amiconn: On the gigabeat you cannot shut down from the remote (I think). As well, on the iPod it would be faster than holding the play/pause button, some users would find it more convenient. 15.17.54 # And I think once you've got it there for a few targets, it may as well be there for all. 15.17.57 # preglow: can we just imagine ? ;) 15.18.08 # GodEater: as long as you try really hard! 15.18.18 # * Domonoky has to leave.. 15.18.40 # Llorean: I wouldn't like to clutter the main menu with too many entries. 15.18.43 Quit Domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.18.52 # those fit fine in system/ 15.19.02 # I agree that they belong in "System" 15.19.05 # which isn't very cluttered at all 15.19.13 # With the current main menu it's already more complicated to shutdown the archos player (and recorder v1) via the menu 15.19.33 # ...because you never know for sure where you end up in the menu when calling it 15.19.48 # it's random on player and recorder v1? 15.19.57 # With the old menu, shutdown was 3 button presses on the player which could be entered blindly 15.20.01 # how about removing rockbox.whatever from the list of supported file types and offering a "browse firmwares" entry? 15.20.10 # bluebrother: we had that... it was removed 15.20.15 # preglow: No, but the menu position depends on where you come from 15.20.24 # amiconn: then you do know where you end up 15.20.29 # (file browser, database, wps etc) 15.20.40 # preglow: I know ... but iirc the firmware files always were part of the supported file types 15.21.16 # preglow: Yes, but then I need to count, depending on where I come from, or look at the display, or listen to the voice 15.21.23 # bluebrother: I don't think there's a need to hide the files in "supported" view, but maybe a "browse firmwares" option in System could be revived - especially if Rolo manages to load original firmwares on the portalplayer targets. 15.21.38 # Before, it was just "Menu, Minus, Play" on the player 15.21.57 # amiconn: there isn't a purely button based shutdown? 15.22.02 # oh bugger. Looks like I'm going to have to rebuilt glibc with debugging symbols :( 15.22.26 # amiconn: like hold stop for iriver, etc 15.22.37 # * linuxstb thinks the main menu became too clever 15.22.48 # linuxstb: what with the remembering where you came from and so on? 15.23.00 # preglow: Quite to the contrary 15.23.10 Quit aegray_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.23.18 # The player and recorder v1 have a too fast hardware shutdown, so we can't intercept it 15.23.39 # It took me a while to learn not to hold Off on the Recorder 15.23.49 # preglow: Yes, I would have prefered buttons have to have fixed destinations, rather than "last something" With the exception of SELECT/NAVI in the wps going to the last-used browser. 15.23.49 # hey anyone recieved a problem in podzilla like aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa throught out ur whole screen 15.23.51 # Holding Stop (player) or Off (rec v1) shuts down the hardware in less than a second 15.23.56 # my bad 15.23.58 # wroing channel 15.24.34 # linuxstb: Me too 15.24.35 # But we want a clean shutdown (saving settings etc) 15.24.55 # linuxstb: yeah, i think i agree 15.25.19 # ^^ ahh 15.26.34 Quit B4gder ("Time to say moo") 15.27.24 # mooooooo 15.27.32 Join perl|work [0] (n=jacquesc@static-64-61-105-170.isp.broadviewnet.net) 15.29.57 # npp 15.30.02 Part Llorean 15.30.36 Quit ctaf ("Leaving.") 15.30.44 # npp? 15.30.59 # moo + 1 15.31.07 # * linuxstb slow 15.32.30 # linuxstb: new bootloader committed 15.32.55 # Just reading it - shouldn't the hidden partition stuff be #ifdef'ed for the E200? 15.33.22 # yeah, I guesss it should. first bugfix commit on the way... 15.33.53 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 15.34.59 # Also, how about referring to the second partition as the Sansa's "firmware partition"? As we do for the ipods. 15.35.48 # sounds good 15.35.54 # well, i'm out for the weekend 15.35.56 # seeya later 15.36.20 # Although in disk.h, maybe use the official description - "PARTITION_TYPE_OS2_HIDDEN_C_DRIVE" 15.37.01 # (I'm mainly referring to documentation when suggesting the term "firmware partition") 15.37.12 # is that the official partition type description? 15.37.23 # That's what the Linux fdisk calls it. 15.37.39 # I don't know if there's an official list somewhere though. 15.38.24 # Hmm, seems it can also be a "hibernation partition" - http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/partitions/partition_types-1.html 15.39.10 # But that list also includes "OS2 hidden C: drive" 15.39.45 # i don't mind what we call it, it's only for that #define 15.39.56 Part LinusN 15.40.00 # maybe PARTITION_TYPE_OS2_HIDDEN_C_DRIVE is best as you suggested 15.40.55 # Or as Sandisk have reinvented it, maybe "PARTITION_TYPE_SANSA_FIRMWARE"... 15.41.21 Quit matsl ("Leaving") 15.41.27 # But anyway, I'll build the bootloader and create some sansapatcher binaries for testing. 15.41.34 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 15.41.41 # Although will people need to build their own rockbox.mi4? 15.41.53 # i can build a rockbox.zip for them 15.41.59 Join Redbreva [0] (n=chatzill@host86-143-232-229.range86-143.btcentralplus.com) 15.41.59 Quit matsl (Client Quit) 15.42.12 # OK. Can you host it? 15.42.13 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 15.42.21 # (I mean your rockbox.zip) 15.42.24 # yes 15.43.10 # i'll even include a dummy rockbox.e200 ;) 15.44.10 # OK, sansapatcher windows binary here - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/sansapatcher.zip 15.45.20 # Just double-click on the .exe... 15.48.35 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 15.52.06 # hey, are there any issues left with the e200 that should stop me from buying one just to put rockbox on? 15.53.07 # does the USB now work? wiki says it doesn't.. 15.53.16 # and the rockbox.zip to go with sansapatcher - http://www.barrywardell.net/assets/files/sansapatcher/rockbox.zip 15.53.20 # billytwowilly: well it's still a portalplayer based device - so still the "worst" rockbox platform 15.53.32 # billytwowilly: usb doesn't work 15.53.40 # billytwowilly: and sound is half working 15.54.00 # that's too bad. Keep up the good workt hough guys, the last week has been amazing for devel;) 15.54.20 # Can you recommend another player that looks as good as the sansa? 15.54.46 # the sansa is improving quickly 15.55.08 # so sound should be working fully before long 15.55.58 # that's good, because all the rest of the players except for the ipod either look bad or are hard drive based. 15.56.32 # and you can always dual boot into the original firmware if you need usb 15.56.37 # and I don't really want a nano with the tiny screen. 15.57.23 # my ipod mini hasn't quite died yet;) It's on its last legs though:( I think I'll just hold off until it either really dies or the e200 port is close to flawless 15.57.38 # billytwowilly: With the rate of progress on the sansa, that may not be too long... 15.58.02 # yah, I've been watching the devel. It's been pretty amazing so far. 15.58.25 Join freqmod [0] (n=freqmod@120.80-203-37.nextgentel.com) 15.58.25 # devil? 15.58.34 # er. development 15.58.40 # =P 15.58.51 # The devil doesn't exist so it's tough to watch;) 15.58.57 # ;P 15.58.58 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@avc146.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 15.59.16 Nick PP is now known as whitebrother (n=limpbizk@125-25-143-64.adsl.totbb.net) 15.59.37 # blue brother has been here since morning =P 15.59.52 # =P 16.00.10 # whitebrother: why do you keep changing your nick? 16.00.34 # ok, testing time. old bl+new rockbox.zip = "Please upgrade bootloader" 16.00.57 # upgrade my bootlaoader wat u talkin aboiut? 16.00.58 Quit geoaxis (Remote closed the connection) 16.01.35 # I'm usually around all day. 16.01.44 # the PC is running anyway ... 16.02.27 # markun: I guess he didn't realise you were talking to him. 16.02.53 # linuxstb: he ignored the question before when I asked him 16.03.06 # lol 16.03.13 # sansapatcher+old bl already on sansa= "OLD ROCKBOX INSTALLATION DETECTED, ABORTING" 16.03.23 # ?? 16.03.25 # maybe he hasn't a good answer to the question? 16.03.28 # * petur recognizes the troll of the month when he sees one 16.03.40 # * billytwowilly bets whitebrother is in another chan and said something really horrible that he doesn't want associated with him so he changed his name 16.03.45 # * linuxstb puts the food back in the cupboard 16.03.47 # linuxstb: I'm checking how I can put someone on my ignore list without using his nick 16.04.12 # hmm. Using a host mask? 16.04.14 # markun: kick/ban ;) 16.04.26 # helps us too 16.04.38 # SansaE200Install will need updating... 16.04.56 # barrywardell: Indeed. We have a lot of things to do simulatenously... 16.04.58 # ban??? me? 16.05.15 # who has the powers for kickban again? 16.05.23 # admin and mods 16.05.29 # there are non at the moment 16.05.35 # none* 16.05.48 # * petur looks at amiconn 16.06.07 # refresh my memory how do u make emotions 16.06.10 Mode "#rockbox +o amiconn " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 16.06.11 # like that 16.06.16 Join SaLoMoN [0] (n=SaLo@salooo.org) 16.06.39 # i gess i am being inored 16.06.42 # =P 16.07.05 # whitebrother: no, I still haven't figured out how to do it 16.07.24 # figure wat out? do wat? 16.07.42 # can't you just go /ignore 125-25-143-64.adsl.totbb.net ? 16.08.14 # billytwowilly: his ip might change 16.08.21 # but for now it will do I guess 16.08.33 # aight ok sorry guys 16.08.36 # i'll go then 16.08.37 # although I'm still not certain why you want to ignore him. 16.09.04 Quit whitebrother () 16.09.22 Mode "#rockbox -o amiconn " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 16.09.27 # weird. 16.13.40 Join devond [0] (n=devond@adsl-070-155-069-236.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) 16.13.50 # How do you boot back into the apple firmware? 16.15.15 # switch hold on while booting 16.17.21 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 16.17.36 # thats it...sweet 16.17.38 # thanks 16.22.34 # oops, there was a problem with the rockbox.mi4 in that zip. new one coming up 16.22.47 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16.22.53 # how do you force the ipod to shutdown. while in apple firmware...not just sleep 16.23.06 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@rockbox/administrator/Llorean) 16.24.34 Join limpbizkit70 [0] (n=limpbizk@125-25-143-64.adsl.totbb.net) 16.24.36 # desowin: You can't. You need to reset the ipod, then shutdown from rockbox 16.24.45 # ? 16.24.50 # wrong nick 16.25.08 # curse that tab completion ;) 16.25.34 # compile in a cygwin typing?? do we need a software for this 16.25.46 # desowin: Ooops, sorry 16.25.49 # ok, updated the rockbox.zip, same url: http://www.barrywardell.net/assets/files/sansapatcher/rockbox.zip 16.26.08 Quit Dark_Apostrophe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.26.29 # limpbizkit70: why are you back here? 16.26.36 # i really want to know this 16.26.43 # sorry for all the things i did b4 16.27.03 # how do we type in a cygwin? 16.27.08 # reset? sorry for sounding stupid but how do you do that? 16.27.17 # and the patch to change to mi4 format: http://www.barrywardell.net/assets/files/sansapatcher/rockbox.mi4.patch 16.27.20 # limpbizkit70: see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers 16.27.26 # devond: hold menu + select 16.27.34 # ok thx i'll check it out 16.29.50 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 16.30.06 Quit BigBambi ("Leaving") 16.30.18 # is that at all harmful to the Ipod? 16.32.10 # barrywardell: So is it all working well? 16.33.21 # now i'm having trouble getting it to show up in finder. and it just crashes explorer in windows 16.33.21 Join lavid [0] (n=lavid@ppp-70-225-177-76.dsl.chmpil.ameritech.net) 16.33.30 # it just sits there 16.33.40 # and itunes in windows wants to reformat it 16.33.47 # linuxstb_: yes. I've yet to come across a problem 16.33.51 # devond: What sits where? 16.33.57 # ipod. 16.34.02 # okay got it to work in mac 16.34.10 # but only when using apple firmware 16.34.19 # Are you using USB or firewire? 16.34.25 # usb 16.34.55 # Rockbox is known to freeze sometimes when you attach USB. 16.35.03 # Hi, I was trying to solve bug 6760 (speex sterio doesn't work), but I don't have an accurate enough (integer) sqrt function. Does anybody know about such a function? 16.35.35 # freqmod: are you aware that stereo speex files appear to work *after* you've played a mono one ? 16.36.23 # strange, because speex_decode_stereo uses sqrt, and in rockbox.c sqrt returns 0 (because it isn't implemented) 16.37.01 # freqmod: there's one in fixedpoint.c 16.37.04 # btw. i filled a new speex bug: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6838 (doesn't work without the fix in my 64-bits emulator) 16.48.37 Nick _pill is now known as pilled (i=pill@sloth.shellfx.net) 16.50.12 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.195.130) 16.50.23 Quit Thundercloud_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.50.42 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.195.130) 16.51.25 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.51.26 # I think my C++ must be rusty 16.52.15 # I didn't think you could use an object just by declaring it, I thought you had to use it's new() operator as well 16.53.37 # anyway - the crash in rbutil on linux appears to be wen ReadGlobalConfig attempts to delete some local variable objects right at the end 16.53.42 # s/wen/when 16.53.49 # new() makes a heap object, the other can be used for static or stack based objects 16.55.02 # I wonder why this works on windows 16.55.08 # yeah, that's bad, never use delete on automatic objects 16.55.52 # delete might find that it's not in it's heap and just exit 16.55.57 # on the other hand, it's kind of hard to do that 16.56.12 # you'd have to do something like delete &localvar; 16.56.15 # yeah - surely g++ should pick it up 16.56.40 # anyway - commenting out the delete there makes rbutil run fine 16.57.34 # * jhMikeS didn't look at the code so can't say why it would compile for sure...just guessing at stuff 16.58.10 Quit petur ("connection reset by beer *burp*") 16.58.47 # I think you're right though - it tries to remove a non-heap object 16.59.27 # which file? 16.59.44 # rbutilApp.cpp 16.59.58 # the delete is around line 225 17.00.04 Part Llorean 17.00.42 # I think I know why it accepts it 17.00.46 # I knew you could do the static thing in java - didn't know C++ had that feature. Mind you - I've looked at C++ like twice in the last ten years. 17.01.38 # should I post a patch ? 17.02.09 # wxString must have some kind of pointer case operator 17.02.13 # cast* 17.02.20 Part devond 17.02.52 # doesn't seem that should be there so why not? 17.02.57 # http://www.pastebin.ca/397557 <-- includes a Printf fix too 17.03.21 # Where is the source for wxString? 17.03.24 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-091-119.pools.arcor-ip.net) 17.03.33 # oh lord knows 17.03.35 # buried in wxWidgets somewhere 17.03.45 # hang on - I'll grep for it 17.04.31 # I don't even have it extracted currently 17.05.29 # wxGTK-2.8.2/src/common/string.cpp 17.05.33 # That would probably be safe if it has it's own operator delete or something but dunno 17.05.56 Quit matsl (Remote closed the connection) 17.05.57 # I imagine I have to obtain this separately? 17.06.11 # doesn't look like it has 17.06.22 # then that's definitely wrong 17.06.31 # http://www.wxwidgets.org/downloads/ 17.06.47 # hmm i'm getting a weird build error 17.06.58 # I'd see an "operator delete" somewhere in that file if it did right ? 17.07.02 # its saying that it can't find sysfont.h 17.07.24 # andrewg867: try make clean 17.08.48 # yeah 17.09.04 # or in the header as an inline 17.09.16 # nls: it's still doing it, it is included on line 55 in powermgmt.c 17.09.26 # but this worked fine yesterday 17.09.27 # jhMikeS: ah - didn't look there 17.09.57 # it would be kinda weird if it had it though 17.10.06 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 17.10.08 # it doesn't appear to *have* a header 17.10.33 # hmm, actually export/font.h 17.10.51 # andrewg867: do the standard procedure, kill the build dir, create a new one and run configure :-) 17.11.48 # That's one reason why I don't like oo languages in most cases - too much stuff happening behind the scenes 17.12.05 # nls: still doesn't work 17.12.15 # amiconn: I blame Christi ;) 17.12.30 # jhMikeS: Is your fmradio code tested on hwcodec, both tea5767 and samsung? 17.12.32 # that's why I'd have chosed GTK+ from the get go if it were me 17.12.42 # andrewg867: weird, and it used to work, and you didn't change anything? 17.12.45 # amiconn: which part? 17.13.09 # The whole thing, scanning for stations and such 17.13.11 # nls: I added in a line to compile my driver in firmware/SOURCES, thats all 17.13.13 # it was basically UI changes today 17.13.33 # it didn't change anything for samsung 17.13.43 # andrewg867: that shouldn't change anything, try make clean in the tools dir too, jus to be sure 17.14.16 # argh! 17.14.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.14.22 # what a stupid mistake 17.14.24 # for tea5767 in the US/Canada region it works like a charm. Things appear to need a different strategy in the European region and I have no idea about the others. 17.14.34 # i put in driver/ instead of drivers 17.15.49 # I added the patch to Flyspray, FS #6839 17.16.20 # if someone else could test / commit, that would be ace 17.16.38 Join Juice^ [0] (n=Juice@213.167.96.196) 17.16.47 # I just moved some code out out radio.c the was too close to the HW imo...and added a RADIO_SCAN_FREQUENCY which basically puts the old code in the tuner layer 17.17.21 # it should probably be tested in windows / mac too =/ 17.17.36 # * GodEater blinks at linuxstb 17.19.54 Join thewho [0] (i=95e13ccd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-03ef4f824bf34233) 17.21.10 # anyone know where the GPIOH_INPUT_EN and stuff are defined (which header)? 17.21.20 # *header file 17.21.31 # Why there is a separate menu in the playlist viewer? I'd argue that it should be moved to somewhere the settings menu. And the entry "save current playlist" should be moved to the context menu of the playlist viewer. Any opinions? 17.21.55 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 17.22.04 # Then the MENU button would bring up the main menu as in other screens 17.22.33 # Thus we'd have more consostency 17.22.50 # amiconn: If the big/small battery curves are so much alike...I think I know why mine were off now. 17.24.39 # andrewg867: firmware/export/pp5020.h 17.25.50 # thanks 17.30.50 # Hmm.. Where are the consistency protagonists? :-) 17.33.32 Quit limpbizkit70 () 17.34.06 Quit wrobbie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.36.34 # GodEater: by any chance did you think to scan rbutil for more of using delete improperly? :) might be wise. 17.36.58 # jhMikeS: Um No. That would be far too sensible for me to have thought of on my own ;) 17.39.07 # on cursory glance, that appears to be the only place it's been done (and not noticed previously) 17.40.48 Quit thewho ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 17.41.21 # lol...never mind...just my paranoia 17.42.04 Quit idnar (Connection timed out) 17.43.50 # jhMikeS: No - I'm satisfied it doesn't do that elsewhere 17.44.10 Nick Redbreva is now known as Redbreva_Away (n=chatzill@host86-143-232-229.range86-143.btcentralplus.com) 17.44.27 # having looked a bit more carefully - all other delete calls are done following a suitable blah = new blahobject() 17.44.47 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 17.44.49 Join Domonoky [0] (i=d9e09fed@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f9ce76412a282bcf) 17.44.54 # ah, the very chap 17.45.10 # Domonoky: FS #6839 17.45.20 # GodEater: thx for fixing :-) 17.45.24 # np ;) 17.45.29 # * GodEater hugs ddd 17.45.53 # i am not at home at moment, but will test it later.. 17.45.58 # cool 17.46.09 # I'm out for dinner this evening - so I'll have to catch up tomorrow at some point 17.46.33 # knowing myself, I'd probably go through and change anything to stack objects that don't need heap allocation...but I guess I'm obsessive. 17.46.50 # jhMikeS: That'd be an awful lot I think... 17.46.58 # on which targets should/shouldn't rockbox.* be moved inside .rockbox? 17.48.49 # * jhMikeS hates the heap unless and will only use it at gunpoint 17.50.37 # barrywardell: old archoses will not like that 17.50.46 # would be nice if it could still pick up fw in the root if it's there 17.51.31 # jhMikeS: the bootloader still looks in the root. I'm just talking about changing how rockbox.zip is built 17.52.27 # I thought now it looks in .rockbox first, then checks the root. That one got me a few times in the past. 17.53.24 # yes, it does load from .rockbox first, but isn't that the way it should be?~ 17.53.34 Join thewho [0] (i=95e13cfb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9745dfac8a4e7009) 17.54.00 # well, if .rockbox is going to be the usual location, I'd think that should be the other way around 17.54.32 # or else I can't use it from the root without deleting the one in .rockbox 17.56.41 # it's just that it's a bit more convenience in Windows to just drop the bin on the driver letter 17.57.14 # i thought checking in the root was just to provide backwards compatibility? 17.57.49 # unzipping a new rockbox.zip would replace the one in .rockbox - could be confusing for people doing an upgrade 17.58.07 # yes...I suppose that would disappear over time 17.58.34 # maybe rbboot.cfg would be a nice little thing to have then 17.58.37 # I personally overwrite all the files whenever I recompile 17.58.45 # why 17.59.06 # if you only modify something that affects the bin itself why bother? 17.59.11 # i'm too lazy just to select the files, and it's not that slow ;p 17.59.41 # when you're doing on target debugging everything is slow and most things slower :) 17.59.45 Quit Domonoky ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.59.49 Join Domonoky [0] (i=d9e09fed@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3b4d4ad2fc65f690) 18.00.13 # just make bin and dump it on the drive letter keeps thing moving along with few steps 18.00.49 # well, now I know that most stuff is in the bin and not in external files :) 18.01.05 # I always assumed that it might have updated some files elsewhere 18.01.09 # jhMikeS: Well I don't know either. I'll do some more comparisons as I *think* most LiPo discharge curves are so similar that they can share a single mapping 18.01.42 # amiconn: I think I got somewhat of a lemon of a player personally 18.02.06 # The powermgmt code is a royal mess, and I am planning to rework that after my ideas for lcd 18.02.13 # That is, if nobody beats me to it 18.02.41 # A lot of powermgmt should in fact be moved to target tree 18.02.57 # should be my checkout directory for tortoise svn be: C:\cygwin\bin\rockbox-devel ? 18.04.17 # * barrywardell has promised to rework powermgmt too 18.04.19 Join corp [0] (n=corp@158.Red-88-19-142.staticIP.rima-tde.net) 18.04.37 # Well, I wanted complete charging stuff for x5 including the USB charging which needs some management...and maybe implement the nice LED for good measure. 18.04.37 Quit Domonoky (Client Quit) 18.04.57 # barrywardell: The most difficult case is the recorder v1, as there is a complete NiMH charging algorithm for v1 in powermgmt 18.05.10 # does rockbox have recording capability on the ipod video? 18.05.13 # That needs to be separated somehow 18.05.20 # ...and then see where that takes it all...but...rrr...so many plans 18.05.41 # Also, the iaudios need a rudimentary charging algorithm as well. They can charge from usb, but that needs supervision 18.05.49 # amiconn: there also seems to be some hardware charging control in the AS3514 18.06.13 # ie. sansa 18.06.34 # The iaudio charging uses the pcf50606, but usb charging needs some trickery to make it not exceed the 500mA 18.06.50 # yes, a little bit but not too much it seems 18.07.25 # I never wanted that stuffed into powermgmt.c so that would've motivated an abstraction 18.07.35 # target tree 18.08.32 # of course, but in the way targeting the pcm stuff abstracted all the pcm handling 18.08.32 Quit thewho ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 18.08.44 # Ordinary pcf quick charge doesn't limit current (apart from component overcurrent protection, 2 amps) 18.09.41 # So usb charging must use pre-charging mode with a higher factor, but then we need to control current selection "by hand" 18.10.17 # Fortunately there's a safety timer built into the charger module, so we can make sure things won't run away when rockbox crashes 18.11.07 # We just need to set a small enough timeout, and reset it every time we check voltage and temp, and they are within range 18.12.01 Join madman_ [0] (i=MadMan@pa159.katowice.cvx.ppp.tpnet.pl) 18.12.35 Quit pabs (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.13.20 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@unaffiliated/funky) 18.13.52 # I don't think I need more pcf heatups...two is scarey enough to watch (and feel) 18.14.02 # is any of that implemented yet? 18.14.05 # http://rafb.net/p/C8KRcJ82.html - where could i set the correct directory? 18.14.41 # Maby i need to re-setup cygwin.. an missing arm-elf-gcc? 18.14.49 # clobbering certain zero area addresses can make the whole thing have a seizure 18.16.09 # ahh...but all part of recording work 18.16.26 Join webguest73 [0] (i=c4dbb9df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3c07dcfeab9b7a82) 18.16.56 Quit madman_ ("Leaving") 18.18.21 # actually I recall now it was a PLL mistake that triggered it 18.19.54 Join pabs [0] (n=pabs@xor.pablotron.org) 18.20.36 Quit webguest73 (Client Quit) 18.21.40 Join Ice8lue [0] (n=chatzill@L768e.l.strato-dslnet.de) 18.21.52 # Hello 18.23.22 Part nls 18.26.34 Quit SirFunk (Connection timed out) 18.33.20 # Mini G2 backlight draws more power than I expected 18.33.36 # Runtime with backlight on was only 4h 39min 18.34.11 # ouch. 18.35.07 # without? 18.35.28 Join Ribs [0] (n=ribs@91.84.8.218) 18.35.37 # Without backlight I got 9h 07min 18.36.43 # That was quite a while back in May 2006, so perhaps I should re-run a no-backlight test 18.37.01 # * amiconn has a collection of battery_bench logs 18.38.12 Quit midgey () 18.39.37 Quit kaaloo (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 18.39.43 # * jhMikeS recalls all those movie scenes with a room full of clocks running and sees amiconn with DAPs in a similar fashion 18.39.58 # hehe 18.40.01 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 18.40.21 # I don't have enough of those beasts to fill a room ;) 18.40.37 # depends on the room ;) 18.42.27 Quit Ice8lue ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/2007021917]") 18.43.08 Join nikosapi [0] (n=nikosapi@dc2.dawsoncollege.qc.ca) 18.43.44 # do we have a somewhat "standard" setup for battery benchmarks? 18.44.06 # like a playlist with freely downloadable tracks 18.44.41 # I don't think we have a fixed setup for benchmarks yet 18.45.21 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 18.45.32 # The 'standard' in the past was usually 192kbps mp3, at least afaik, and that's what I use 18.45.47 # I think we could use tracks from the machinae supremacy page -- they have high quality mp3 and ogg versions 18.46.35 Part nikosapi ("Leaving") 18.46.44 Join nikosapi [0] (n=nikosapi@dc2.dawsoncollege.qc.ca) 18.46.44 # mp3 has the advantage that it is playable on all targets, but on swcodec it makes coldfire look good and arm look bad in comparison 18.46.50 # amiconn: have you updated the runtime pages with all your batter_benches results? 18.47.35 # things got a lot better for cf recently too with no boost with all effects on :) 18.47.35 # Are there any builds of rockbox that work on the 5.5G (80GB) ipod? 18.47.36 # * bluebrother prefers ogg anyway, so test running with mp3 files aren't that much signigicant to me 18.47.43 # * amiconn wants to know how to do disk poweroff on ipods :( 18.47.46 # amiconn: you have made many bbs it would be a shame not to have them in the wiki. 18.47.51 # nikosapi: afaik no 18.48.18 # btw, the battery_benchmark plugin could save the settings too 18.48.26 # (is this easily possible?) 18.48.31 # I have iPL running fine on it, but I want to try rockbox... 18.48.35 Quit barrywardell (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 18.48.36 # save the settings? 18.48.53 # bluebrother: which settings do you mean? 18.48.57 # yeah, so you'll later know what e.g. the backlight settings of that test was 18.49.03 # XavierGr: all :) 18.49.04 # ah nice idea 18.49.08 # bluebrother: The settings yes, but it won't know the format played 18.49.30 # or at least all settings that are relevant for the runtime test 18.49.30 # things got better for ogg too on cf at least...don't know if the alignment helped arm at all 18.49.30 # It could just use the settings save function called with a suitable filename 18.49.36 # bleubrother: it can be extended to do so, quite easily iirc 18.49.46 # right, file format won't get saved. 18.49.51 # jhMikeS: Thing is, mp3 doesn't boost at all on coldfire 18.49.59 # the same happens to detect mAh setting 18.50.10 # sounds nice. 18.50.14 # so it can happen for virtually any setting I suppose 18.50.30 # Used to if the dsp had extra stuff going until all the asm 18.50.51 # but if we have a standard runtime test playlist ... it could save the name of the playlist used, couldn't it? 18.50.57 # XavierGr: Instead of getting each setting individually, just save all settings to battery_bench.cfg or such 18.50.58 # It should soon be even faster 18.51.21 # amiconn: yes if we want to log all settings that would be best 18.52.05 Quit inversions () 18.52.25 Nick Redbreva_Away is now known as Redbreva (n=chatzill@host86-143-232-229.range86-143.btcentralplus.com) 18.52.26 # I wonder where Bger is lost, he helped quite a lot (among other things) while developing battery_bench... 18.53.52 Quit ender` (" Liar, n: one who tells an unpleasant truth.") 18.57.15 Join inversions [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 18.57.48 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@84-255-206-8.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) 19.01.53 Quit Thundercloud_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.05.32 Quit funky ("leaving") 19.07.19 # Im testing voice playback for menus, directories etc on the sansa. It seems to playback the voice speech too fast. is there any place to adjust this speed? (alot too fast actually) 19.08.21 # have tried two different .voice files - both playing too speedy 19.09.13 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 19.10.01 # hmm, I can't seem to figure out the problem with my driver 19.10.05 # can't see how unless the hardware sample rate is set too high or some other strange bug 19.10.22 # when it tries to build it keeps saying GPIOH_* is not defined 19.10.52 # Juice^: what .voice files did you try? 19.11.23 # Juice^: I think you need to use 44.1 khz files 19.11.27 # english_VW Kate.voice and english_Reed.voice 19.11.44 # both last updated 070307 19.11.49 # I tried playing an mpeg video with a 22k sample rate and the audio played way too fast 19.11.56 # the Reeed.voice is definitely a read-fast-voice 19.12.04 # or Reed 19.12.07 # The sansa doesn't use the resampler? 19.12.15 # I don't think it does yet 19.12.46 # It shouldn't have choice 19.13.05 Join t0dk0n [0] (n=todkon@70.231.226.0) 19.13.09 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/2007021917]") 19.13.21 # Yay! downtime \m/ 19.13.24 Quit nikosapi (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.13.38 # Juice^: it is s very fast voice - I tried that too - was too fast for me 19.14.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.15.27 # the Kate.voice should be better but I couldn't try 19.15.59 Join linuxstb [0] (i=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 19.16.20 # andrewg867: Audio must be 44.1KHz for mpegplayer at the moment. 19.16.30 # ahh I see 19.17.00 # I had the steve balmer "monkey boy" movie on there just to see if ti worked :P 19.17.49 # jhMikeS: It's not a Sansa issues - mpegplayer doesn't pass the audio through the DSP layer, or even check the samplerate of the audio yet. 19.18.06 # GodEater: wohoo ! your rbutil patch works :D 19.20.21 Quit Ribs ("eh eh ehhhh!") 19.20.51 Join Stalwart^ [0] (n=stalwart@ip-10.154.Home-Lan.fastnet.lv) 19.22.03 # linuxstb: I was thinking about the voice thing but I guess it's just a fast voice 19.22.26 # yay, it seems my driver compiled :) 19.24.25 Join webguest84 [0] (i=46715b3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-043fd97cdb4ca832) 19.25.20 # hello... i'm trying to save a .cfg file on my gigabeat -- am in the on-screen keyboard screen -- what button saves? 19.26.01 Part corp 19.26.59 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 19.27.29 Join linuxstb [0] (i=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 19.27.38 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 19.27.40 # jhMikeS: Ah, sorry, I misread the logs - two interleaved conversations... 19.28.40 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 19.32.15 # pixelma: do you know of any that is too fast then? 19.32.40 # pixelma: one of those where so fast i couldnt even hear the full words pronounced 19.32.56 Join aegray_ [0] (n=aegray@74-139-219-59.dhcp.insightbb.com) 19.32.59 # was like double of the normal speed 19.33.05 Join Ice8lue [0] (n=chatzill@L728c.l.strato-dslnet.de) 19.35.01 Join Aikon_ [0] (n=root@dslb-084-058-222-140.pools.arcor-ip.net) 19.35.35 Join |Rincewind| [0] (i=QjNlQCQt@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 19.36.07 # I bet that was the Reed.voice. The only hint which could be slower is the file size -> the larger ones could be slower but also could be made with a higher quality. Sorry, I can't give you a better advice as I was only able to try the two smallest on my player. (could try in a sim but haven't) 19.37.17 Quit Stalwart (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.37.17 Quit webguest84 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 19.39.44 # would i be possible to port maybe Transport Tycoon or something similar to rockbox? 19.40.14 Part t0dk0n 19.40.25 # or sim city 19.40.44 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 19.41.38 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@adsl-69-208-75-153.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) 19.41.38 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.43.59 Quit aikon (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 19.44.03 Quit aegray__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.48.25 # there was a bug in the last build. backlight on h3xx didnt turn while keylock is on 19.48.30 # off 19.49.45 Join muszek [0] (n=muszek@awc202.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 19.49.53 # hi 19.50.17 # Regarding the discussion "key lock" vs. "keylock yesterday - why not change the whole message instead? 19.50.50 # hmm, I think I broke the sandisk firmware, only one thing to say don't hold down the record button while the sandisk firmware is booting :P 19.50.54 # It currently says "keylock is on" (or "off"), but imho "keys are locked" ("unlocked") would be better 19.50.55 # I'm trying to clean up my sister's sansa e250 before installing rockbox... only it always mounts as read only. Any idea why and what to do? Using Ubuntu 6.10, player is set to MSC (usb mode) 19.51.32 # remount it in the console as read-write? 19.51.56 # mount /dev/sda1 /media/{whatever} -t vfat -o rw,remount 19.52.03 # should work 19.52.18 # Afaik linux switches to read-only if it finds a filesystem error 19.52.40 # andrewg867: my primary hdd is /dev/sda ... how do I find out which device is it? 19.52.47 Join Elara [0] (i=443ae3f2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-10fa17017b6f440d) 19.52.53 # just try pin mount and look at the listing 19.53.13 # where did that 'pin' come from... 19.53.48 # just do 'mount' and you will most likely see the sansa at the bottom of the list, maybe sdb1 or sdc 19.53.57 # gparted "told" me... it's hdb. Thanks and hopefully I won't be back for more answers :) 19.54.01 # I'm trying to uninstall Rockbox from my Ipod color photo in Windows XP Pro SP2, and I keep getting an error on the ipodpatcher step. Can anyone help? 19.54.09 # *sdb 19.54.56 # Am I ever happy Rockbox runs on the iAudio X5. The stock Cowon operating system is so frustrating to use. 19.55.44 # Elara: What's the error? 19.57.04 # linuxstb: It says: Error Reading Disk Geometry: The Device Is Not Ready. 19.57.24 # I've never seen that before... 19.57.39 # But XP reads it just fine. I had no trouble deleting the rockbox.ipod file. 19.58.02 # How are you running ipodpatcher? Just double-clicking on the .exe ? 19.58.20 # Nope, I'm in cmd. 19.58.39 # And, I'm in the exact folder where ipodpatcher is located. 19.58.54 # There's no need to do that - with the latest ipodpatcher, you just double-click on it. 19.59.03 # linuxstb: for the AS3514 AUDIOSET1 is 0x60 (1100000) then to enable line 1 and 2 would be 1111000, 0x78 right? 19.59.07 # It will then give you a prompt, and you can say "u" for uninstall. 19.59.13 Part Ice8lue 19.59.54 # also how would I turn up the line in gains? 20.00.37 # andrewg867: Sorry, I don't know anything about the AS3514. 20.00.55 Nick Stalwart^ is now known as Stalwart (n=stalwart@ip-10.154.Home-Lan.fastnet.lv) 20.01.21 # too bad I don't have access to the datasheet ;P 20.01.38 # Ok, let me download the latest one and see if that works. Would it matter that I already deleted the rockbox.ipod file? 20.01.47 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@host.91-92-172-170.airbites.bg) 20.01.55 # well this is going to have to wait until someone who knows about it happens to come on irc 20.01.58 # No, ipodpatcher doesn't care about the rockbox files, just the boootloader. 20.02.10 # andrewg867: mount: /media/bla not mounted already, or bad option 20.02.38 # andreg867: Yes, it would have been nice if AMS had published the datasheets... 20.03.44 # muszek: then try umounting 'umount /media/bla' (or the location 'mount' says its already mounted in then remounting 'mount /dev/hdb1 /media/bla -t vfat -o rw' 20.04.07 # andrewg867: oh... I did that after unmounting :) 20.04.38 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 20.05.41 # andrewg867: worked, thanks 20.05.52 Part lavid 20.06.28 Quit Elara ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 20.08.19 # I installed rockbox on my iAudio X5 half a year ago or so... is there any good reason to upgrade? 20.11.05 # <|Rincewind|> a lot of things have changed since then, muszek 20.12.50 # "Luck is my middle name," said Rincewind, indistinctly. "Mind you, my first name is Bad." - one of my favorite quotes :) 20.13.45 # muszek: see the changelog linked at the front page 20.14.18 # bluebrother: rgr (sorry to bother you with the question in the first place...) 20.15.11 # <|Rincewind|> yes, that one is great 20.17.19 # * amiconn just had an idea how to make longer splashes than 22 chars usable on the archos player 20.19.41 # muszek: it's much easier as we don't know exactly what state of Rockbox you are aware of ;-) 20.20.14 # +62 20.20.37 # oops 20.20.45 # that was Rex 20.21.02 # Hello Rex. 20.21.29 # \o/ 20.22.00 # banging on the keyboard, chewing on a usb cable... 20.24.05 # cool, last.fm logs :) 20.24.08 Join webguest83 [0] (i=cc8a99fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b648f49cd6b13001) 20.25.59 # hey, uh...can the gigabeat OF *actually* play wavpack, as the comparison table reports? 20.26.30 # Where does it say that? 20.26.59 # FeatureComparison 20.27.19 # i told markun about this a few days ago - he removed it, and now somebody's added it back 20.27.34 # I'm sure that must be a mistake... 20.27.49 # i figure 20.27.58 # Maybe someone is confusing it with plain WAV 20.28.15 # * amiconn wonders whether there is a single gui_(sync)splash call that does *not* use centering 20.28.30 # yeah. well, i'd remove it, but i don't have write access. :) 20.28.44 Nick Redbreva is now known as Redbreva_Away (n=chatzill@host86-143-232-229.range86-143.btcentralplus.com) 20.28.51 # webguest83: i'm sure he'll edit it again :) 20.29.10 # i did check and i'm pretty sure the GB can't do wavpack 20.29.11 Join qwm [0] (n=qwm@h162n1fls34o1010.telia.com) 20.29.19 # heh 20.29.28 # He's Soader03 - I'm sure I've seen him around... 20.29.57 # I think he's more active in the forums 20.30.34 # I'll send him a PM in the forum. 20.31.08 Quit midgey () 20.31.20 # ok, classy! 20.33.39 # shame twiki doesn't have edit summaries 20.33.55 # anyway, i'm off. thanks! 20.33.58 Part webguest83 20.34.37 # amiconn: I've never noticed an uncentered splash... 20.34.50 # I found one single uncentered splash so far 20.34.59 # All syncsplashes are centered 20.35.03 # Which one isn't? 20.35.14 # Player volume change in the wps 20.35.23 # That could and should be centered as well 20.35.39 # Then we can drop the 'bool center' parameter completely 20.35.50 # Sounds sensible. 20.36.18 # Just checking the plugin splash calls as well... 20.36.52 # Wow, these are more than all core splashes... 20.38.00 Join rotator [0] (n=e@rockbox/developer/rotator) 20.39.36 # ...and they're all 'true' except one 20.39.36 Quit merwin (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.40.07 # ...which could also be centered with no problem 20.40.29 # Any objections against slashing 'bool center' from *splash() ? 20.43.21 # (it means changing 500 calls btw) 20.46.01 Quit qwx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.48.23 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 20.56.47 Quit pixelma (" bbl") 21.01.34 Join alberink [0] (i=d4883814@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d7889c0d30ae1fb4) 21.01.34 # http://reviews.cnet.com/4326-13362_7-6565453-7.html?tag=ss_nxt 21.05.22 Quit nicktastic (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.05.27 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-66-25-2-167.houston.res.rr.com) 21.05.29 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 21.07.24 # server upgrade postponed 24h due to physical access issues 21.07.38 Mode "#rockbox +o Zagor " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 21.08.08 Topic "Planned downtime: Web and mail server upgrade saturday from ~19:00 GMT" by Zagor (n=bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 21.08.50 Mode "#rockbox -o Zagor " by Zagor (n=bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 21.14.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.19.52 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m180.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 21.22.53 # when running ../tools/configure - how can i change the source code root directory? it seems to be incorrect.. 21.29.10 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 21.34.16 # Juice^: check the produced Makefile 21.34.23 Quit z0de (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.35.00 # Hmm. Saves less space than expected for the core, but it still saves something... 21.35.56 # Bagder: where is that normally stored? 21.36.25 # it gets generated in the build directory where you invoke configure in 21.36.53 # -588 byte for fmrecorder 21.40.19 # Juice^: What the full path of the directory you ran ../tools/configure from? Are there any spaces? 21.41.40 # amiconn: I think the cleaner api is worth the change even if the size gain isn't that big 21.42.00 # I think so too 21.42.13 # Just working my way through the plugins 21.42.15 # * linuxstb adds a "me too" 21.42.27 # Twice as many calls from plugins as from core 21.42.46 # But the change itself is quick and simple 21.43.07 # Hmm, the commit might break the langv2 cleanup patch somewhat... 21.43.44 # linuxstb: not sure... i type ../tools/configure in the cygwin bash.. and it doesnt show a full path.. but it seems like my rockbox source directory has been placed here by CVS earlier, that might be the trouble i guess.. C:\Documents and Settings\Frode\rockbox 21.44.05 # I just need to set the source dir to be C:\cygwin\bin\rockbox-devel 21.44.23 # But i dont know where to set it 21.44.38 # I guess its stored somewhere for cygwin 21.44.54 Join austriancoder [0] (n=christia@80.120.117.30) 21.45.37 # Juice^: what's so hard to understand with my explanation? 21.45.49 # the source path is stored in the Makefile that configure produces for you 21.46.07 Quit Llorean ("Leaving.") 21.46.46 # the question is of course why it gets the path wrong in the first place 21.47.02 # configure is known to work for quite a few people 21.47.03 # I dont think its the correct place to look.. Correct 21.47.10 # in the first place its going to the wrong place 21.47.37 # and how are your dir hierarchy for this setup? 21.47.41 # I have no idea why CVS placed my source root at C:\Documents and Settings\Frode\rockbox 21.48.01 Join japj [0] (n=japj@a82-95-0-148.adsl.xs4all.nl) 21.48.10 # oh, spaces in the path... 21.48.16 # yes that too 21.48.24 # hello 21.48.28 # I bet that can cause problems 21.49.01 # Cygwin is placed to C:\cygwin - and the source from rockbox source downloaded with tortoise svn is in C:\cygwin\bin\rockbox-devel 21.49.33 # and in what dir do you run configure? 21.50.11 # I was wondering, is it possible to reduce the playing speed of audio with rockbox (realtime)? e.g. play on 80% of the normal speed? 21.50.12 # configure seems to be linked to C:\Documents and Settings\Frode\rockbox\tools 21.50.40 # uh, you lost me now 21.51.00 # link from where? 21.51.16 # ehm 21.51.41 # Let me google this... its all strange 21.52.00 # japj: Rockbox can increase/decrease the pitch, which will speed up/slow down playback. 21.52.02 # and you mentioned CVS, if you have a CVS tree around you should kill it 21.52.41 # linuxstb: hmm that's not exactly what I want, I want the pitch to be the same 21.52.44 Join obo_ [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 21.53.03 Join merwin [0] (n=merwin@72.86.29.230) 21.53.07 # Bagder: how do i kill the cvs tree? just delete it? 21.53.11 # yes 21.53.21 # so the sansa bootloader can now boot mi4 files? 21.53.27 # linuxstb: I'm a musician, and I want to listen to songs and be able to play along in a slower tempo 21.53.28 # we've used svn now for two months 21.53.39 # japj: I guessed so... In which case, no, Rockbox can't do that. 21.54.03 # * amiconn notices some plugin authors didn't know that splash() has printf-style formatting :/ 21.54.38 # linuxstb: any idea if this is possible at all? (in realtime on a iAudio) 21.54.59 # linuxstb: what about in/decreasing the pitch, but keeping the tempo the same? 21.55.07 # Bagder: I think my sansa FM tuner driver is almost working, it compiles just needs some testing :) 21.55.11 # Bagder: I guess i will have to reinstall cygwin. I installed svn a while ago, and it downloaded the source files into C:\cygwin\bin\rockbox-devel - so if i could just make it the active source dir for configure to run in 21.55.38 # andrewg867: nice! 21.55.47 # andrewg867: kool. tell me it play on the european version missing the fm tuner too? :))) hehe 21.55.57 # Juice^: and why can't you? 21.56.02 # japj: I think it's unlikely, but I'm no expert on these things. preglow is the person you want to talk to, but he's signed off for the weekend. 21.56.12 # Juice^: or move the source tree to whereever you want it 21.56.21 # it has nothing to do with cygwin or its installation 21.56.29 # japj: Or just hang around - maybe someone else will reply to you. 21.56.43 # linuxstb: ok, thanks! 21.57.15 # Slasheri should be renamed to splasheri 21.57.28 # iriver_flash.rock has loads of them 21.57.51 # (and he's one of the aforementioned plugin devs) 21.59.13 # Bagder: ofcourse, i can move it, but do you know where to define the new source for cygwin? 21.59.22 # you don't 21.59.32 # you just cd there and 'svn update' 21.59.42 # or do it with tortoisesvn if you rather use that 21.59.45 # oh ok, let me try 21.59.59 # japj: there's been a feature request for both mentioned playback modes quite a while ago 22.00.05 # it's in the tracker. 22.02.09 Join webguest87 [0] (i=42444ee1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1d202ad4915cca53) 22.02.14 Join thewho [0] (i=95e13c05@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c83d3b30d2fa1645) 22.02.20 # How much work does it mean to convert a menu to the new API? If not that much i'd suggest to reorganise the context menu and the menu of the playlist viewer. 22.02.37 # why is it that elephants dream plays fine (video) but others do not? 22.03.37 # The list view options could be moved to the settings. And the "Save current list" to the context menu of the list viewer. 22.03.41 # Bagder: one step closer.. now i need to fix this : http://rafb.net/p/ccErI644.html 22.04.12 # how did you install the compiler? 22.04.14 # webguest87: are these "others" encoded properly? 22.04.19 # Then we could get rid of the playlist viewer list menu and show the normal main menu instead 22.04.24 # Bagder: followed the guide in the wiki 22.04.32 # yes, they are all encoded as .mpg 22.04.37 Quit freqmod (Remote closed the connection) 22.04.41 # either mpeg one or two 22.04.49 # that isnt what i asked....encoded properly is more than just a format 22.04.56 # Juice^: you need to make your PATH contain the path to your cross-compiler tools 22.04.58 # do tell 22.05.18 # <|Rincewind|> thewho: jdGordon wants to convert the menus you mention at some time 22.05.18 # webguest87: read PluginMpegplayer (it is a page on our wiki) 22.05.57 # |Rincewind|: just convert? Or also reorganise? 22.05.58 # so would using a client such as SUPER to encode them as .mpg's count as encoding them properly? or should i just follow the wiki? 22.06.00 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 22.06.46 # as long as super can do the other selections such as screen size (ras), it is fine 22.06.52 # <|Rincewind|> thewho: converting first. Reorganisation is a seperate issue, and everything that should be reorganised about the menus will be discussed to death before 22.06.53 Join linuxstb [0] (i=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 22.07.03 # I've learned today how those menues are and that struck me. Historical reasons maybe. 22.07.07 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@82.193.235.34) 22.07.11 Join lavid [0] (n=lavid@ppp-70-225-177-76.dsl.chmpil.ameritech.net) 22.07.33 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 22.07.52 # <|Rincewind|> I have looked in the playlist viewer code recently and I've seen quite a few strange things there 22.08.00 Quit obo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.08.07 Quit webguest87 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.08.12 # japj: ok, I found several items related to this... do you have any idea if the hardware of an iAudio (processor + all the specific audio chips) would be capable of doing this in realtime? 22.08.15 # duh 22.08.21 # |Rincewind|: yes, they should be. But I think that would be quite logical. What are the list viewing options doing in the viewer menu? 22.08.25 # bluebrother: ok, I found several items related to this... do you have any idea if the hardware of an iAudio (processor + all the specific audio chips) would be capable of doing this in realtime? 22.08.37 # They clearly (for me at least :-) belong to the settings 22.08.52 # <|Rincewind|> for me too 22.09.33 # |Rincewind|: well, then there's a chance that we'll agree on that (I mean not only we two but also the others) 22.09.51 Join webguest87 [0] (i=42444ee1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-23c5dbb0fdedcd62) 22.10.18 # can somebody give me a link to the page in the wiki that details encoding MPEG files? i cant find it. 22.10.41 # Is there a description of the new menu API btw? Not how exactly it works but how it should be used? What should be returned, item types etc? 22.10.53 # <|Rincewind|> It doesn't mean a thing if _i_ agree with you... 22.10.53 # webguest87: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer#How_to_encode_files 22.11.02 # thank you 22.11.03 Join bonbonthejon [0] (n=jon@cpe-65-27-173-68.cinci.res.rr.com) 22.11.32 Join t0dk0n [0] (n=todkon@70.231.226.0) 22.11.41 # <|Rincewind|> the description of the new menu api is the code itself. You can start in the relevant header files and look for comments there 22.11.55 # Is there somewhere in the Manaul for ipod video to change the way your time looks on WPS? 22.12.08 # |Rincewind|: that I have thought! 22.12.16 # I can't find it on the WPS tags file 22.12.32 # s/file/section 22.12.40 Quit webguest87 (Client Quit) 22.12.40 # japj: afaik it _should_ be possible. But the task would be quite some work 22.12.49 # and absolutely not easy. 22.13.07 # t0dk0n: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS#Real_Time_Clock 22.13.11 # but I don't know any details. It's just what I know from following the discussion 22.13.25 # linuxstb: thank you :) 22.13.56 # Would a patch doing two things at the same time be accepted? I mean reorganising AND converting the menu? I could then try to do that. 22.14.58 # But I wouldn't want to do something that doesn't have a chance from the start 22.15.41 # Generally single-step patches I preferred I think. 22.15.46 # linuxstb: is there a way to force ipodpatcher to access the disk? 22.15.52 # bluebrother: No. 22.16.06 # ^are preferred 22.16.06 # :( 22.16.25 # What's gone wrong? 22.17.47 # I want to write the bootloader to a disk that is completely empty 22.17.54 # <|Rincewind|> thewho: It might be a good idea to ask a few of the main devs what they think of you idea first 22.18.15 # bluebrother: Download the Apple firmware and write it to the disk with dd 22.18.21 # <|Rincewind|> if you convert the menus first, then it should be rather trivial to reorganize them later in a second patch 22.18.38 # are there any devs here that know about the AS3514? 22.19.21 Quit linuxstb__ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.19.23 # bluebrother: I've documented the process (although very briefly) in the IpodManualRestoration (IIRC) wiki page 22.19.35 # Bagder: This is not the one to use for sansa? PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/opt/sh/bin:/opt/m68k/bin:/opt/arm/bin:$PATH 22.19.50 # Im looking at profile 22.20.18 Quit thewho ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 22.21.23 Join amar [0] (n=amar@dyn-62-56-104-134.dslaccess.co.uk) 22.21.52 Quit _Veseliq_ (Remote closed the connection) 22.24.30 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 22.26.11 # Bagder: Another step forward here... 22.26.35 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 22.27.34 Join nicktastic [0] (n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic) 22.28.11 Join linuxstb [0] (i=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 22.28.24 Part perl|work 22.28.59 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 22.30.35 # any clues ? http://rafb.net/p/aqDDre62.html 22.31.30 # use 'make V=1' to get to see the full compile command lines, they make tell something 22.31.35 Quit bonbonthejon (Connection timed out) 22.31.42 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.34.41 # phew 22.34.57 # starting now, the distributed builds should only start if ./tools/svnupcheck.pl outputs "rebuild" 22.35.30 # "svn up | ./tools/svnupcheck.pl" 22.37.55 # http://farm1.static.flickr.com/131/423437901_8775946e2c.jpg?v=0 22.38.06 # My edit of the Ubuntu theme for Rockbox on ipod 5g Video 22.38.25 # I'm not quite done editing it though... need to get rid of the Ubuntu logo and replace it with SLACKWARE =D 22.40.38 # tootles 22.40.45 Part t0dk0n 22.41.24 Quit amar (Remote closed the connection) 22.42.44 # I think I just figured out a small change that seems to have helped the over-current detection on the sansa 22.42.57 # it's not going higher than before 22.43.15 # just change the line to pp_i2c_send(AS3514_I2C_ADDR, HPH_OUT_R, 0x40 | vol_r); /* Right Headphone Register */ 22.43.41 # the 0x40 turnes up the headphone over-current detection to 512ms instead of 256ms 22.44.04 Join bonbonthejon [0] (n=jon@cpe-65-27-173-68.cinci.res.rr.com) 22.45.37 # http://rafb.net/p/BrAzn541.html ? 22.46.27 # you build in the same dir as is the source root? 22.47.09 # I guess :S 22.47.33 # you really should try to follow the guidelines 22.47.36 # you should build out of tree 22.47.41 # andrewg867: from where do you know the ms values? 22.47.43 # err, *it is going higher than before 22.47.47 # let me read the guidelines once again 22.49.25 # austriancoder: it does help the output though 22.49.48 # Bagder: sorry, im quite tired too :) i'll get some coffe 22.50.07 # Juice^: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowToCompile 22.50.09 Join Sane [0] (n=pencilma@216.142.59.253) 22.50.12 # step 2 22.50.18 # Bagder: Yes, im on that page 22.53.34 Join idnar [0] (n=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 22.54.43 # err, is there some trick to having your computer recognize your device when Rockbox is installed? 22.55.15 # Sane: no, you just follow the steps 22.55.22 # and then it works 22.55.26 # Bagder: still getting the "make[1]: *** [/bin/rockbox/build/apps/lang.o] Error 53" have made the build dir, and ran configure for it and set it to 50 for sansa 22.56.10 # I think he means to have your device work with USB on the pc while running rockbox? 22.56.30 Join donutman25 [0] (n=chatzill@24.231.43.99) 22.56.35 # oh, is that what you ask Sane ? 22.56.54 # Juice^: can you invoke that final perl command line manually on the command prompt? 22.57.31 Join _Amblin [0] (n=Osiris@udp124072uds.hawaiiantel.net) 22.58.22 # Yeah well, I just got my iriver H10 20GB, copied the bootload, installed Rockbox, and when I connect it via USB, I get a "not recognized" signal, but if I use the UMS trick, it loads with the iriver look and allows me to access the player 22.58.37 # so my question is, is there no way to access my player while running Rockbox 22.59.06 # Sane: not yet, rockbox on h10 has no usb support 22.59.12 # ah i c 22.59.12 # Bagder: Thats a bit too complicated for my skills im afraid 23.01.45 # ...monster commit... 23.02.12 # the best kind! 23.02.58 # amiconn: that's the third wordplay attempt on Slasheri :P (along with Flasheri and Cacheri) 23.03.20 # hehe 23.03.22 Nick hannesd___ is now known as hannesd (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 23.03.22 DBUG Enqueued KICK hannesd 23.03.49 # there's a swedish saying that goes something like "a loved child has many names" 23.03.55 # indeed 23.04.31 # I love Slasheri just by the dircache feature (not to mention the others) 23.04.40 # my svn update check at least worked for the monster 23.05.00 # is usb working in sansa yet? 23.05.05 # nope 23.05.32 # <_Amblin> Badger: With rockbox loaded, about how much video buffer can MPEG Player use? 23.05.49 # the whole audio buffer 23.06.03 # <_Amblin> How large is that in MB? 23.06.15 # Depends on the target, and on some settings 23.06.25 # <_Amblin> Im trying to cut my files accordingly 23.06.25 # Roughly ram_size - 2MB 23.07.30 Quit BHSPitLappy (Remote closed the connection) 23.08.16 # <_Amblin> I take a 30 MB file, it plays for about 2/3rds the way through before quitting...so maybe I should limit file sizes to about 15 MBs? 23.09.45 Join webguest40 [0] (i=18f44eb5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6d18896a660da059) 23.10.30 # I do believe that that big long update to svn just broke something! 23.10.51 # why what? 23.11.05 # I was just makeing builds 23.11.14 # and it worked fine 23.11.20 # a bit of yellow - an oversight in midiplay it seems 23.11.30 # then I updated and it failed 23.11.35 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 23.11.35 # * amiconn wonders why the saving for archos is lower than what I got here when comparing my own builds 23.11.56 # that's odd 23.12.02 # I now see that someone did a big load of changes 23.12.14 # I do have patches 23.12.18 # webguest40: as you can see on the build page, all builds still build 23.12.21 # ah 23.12.22 # Maybe I have some changes in my main tree which help archos bin size 23.12.24 # then fix your patches 23.12.29 # webguest40: the syntax for splashscreens has changed so to speak 23.12.38 # i will try building with out patches 23.13.00 # I simply overlooked a single plugin 23.14.14 # Hmm, how can I replace a certain string in all source files with another string? 23.14.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.14.25 # ...without doing it by hand of course 23.14.53 # building now 23.14.56 # sed or perl 23.15.10 Join toffe82_ [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 23.15.39 Join Fingolfin [0] (i=Fingolfi@unaffiliated/fingolfin) 23.16.10 # hi there. I am from the ScummVM project, and we just noticed that your SoC suggestions include a ScummVM port to rockbox 23.16.11 # amiconn: perl -ie is a common trick 23.16.13 # first off: way cool :) 23.16.22 # second: could you please fix the link to our forums? 23.16.34 # fix as in... ? 23.16.34 # how do you convert an int to a char in C? 23.16.41 # it points to forums-he, but should point to forums (forums-he is an alias which was temporarily used when we moved to alternate hosting) 23.16.59 # also, you may want to add a link to http://wiki.scummvm.org/index.php/HOWTO-Backends 23.17.04 # andrewg867: you mean 32 to 8 bit, or 32bit number to a string? 23.18.13 # told u there was an error 23.18.18 # he just fixed it 23.18.30 # Fingolfin: updated! 23.18.49 # webguest40: yes, we saw 2 warnings on the build page 23.18.57 # warnings are not errors 23.20.07 # Bagder: 32bit number to sring 23.20.11 # Bagder: thanks. should you actually end up with somebody working on this, we are of course also willing to help (as this likely will require both Rockbox and ScummVM knowledge) 23.20.12 # *string 23.20.19 # andrewg867: snprintf() 23.20.52 # Fingolfin: thanks, I bet some talks will be required in both camps indeed 23.20.54 # thanks 23.21.09 Quit bonbonthejon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.21.09 Join nikosapi [0] (n=nikosapi@ip-199.41.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net) 23.21.17 Join bonbonthejon [0] (n=jon@cpe-65-27-173-68.cinci.res.rr.com) 23.23.07 # Is there any way I can get rockbox on my 5.5G (80GB) ipod? And if not, is work being done to get it working? 23.23.27 # nikosapi: work is being done, albeit a bit slow 23.23.38 # but no, it doesn't work atm 23.23.38 Quit webguest40 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23.24.33 # So there's no super-alpha-beta-expirimental build available? ;-) 23.24.54 # not that I know of 23.24.55 # * amiconn thinks that figuring out how to do the replacement with perl or sed would take him longer than doing it by hand :/ 23.25.14 # amiconn: I'll offer you a script, hang on... 23.25.32 # nikosapi: the ipodlinux group just got their svn to work on the 5.5G 80GB. 23.25.52 # nikosapi: so it's possible that it might be coming soon 23.26.14 # Not too soon 23.26.28 # I know, but I want rockbox, iPL doesn't do what rockbox can 23.26.32 # amiconn: thus my extensive use of conditionals 23.26.56 # np, anywho, thanks for the update. bye 23.26.57 Join homielowe [0] (n=chatzill@d206-116-143-29.bchsia.telus.net) 23.26.58 Quit nikosapi ("Leaving") 23.27.01 # We know what the problem is, but solving that involves changing the fat filesystem driver, and this driver doesn't share code with linux, and hence ipl, at all 23.27.19 # oh well, he's gone 23.28.38 # amiconn: http://pastebin.ca/398049 23.30.21 Quit bonbonthejon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.30.29 Join bonbonthejon [0] (n=jon@cpe-65-27-173-68.cinci.res.rr.com) 23.30.33 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 23.30.39 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 23.30.43 # Bagder: Thanks, that was quick :) 23.31.10 # I've written them so many times... 23.31.37 # Hmm, does that descend into subdirs? 23.31.41 # no 23.31.45 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 23.32.07 # Bagder: Is the TMS320-based target you mentioned on the GSOC wiki page similar or actually this player http://mrobefan.elwiki.com/Hardware_Information 23.32.13 # you can extend the wildcard wiht */*.[ch] etc for a simple version 23.32.41 # homielowe: that's an example of such a target 23.32.54 # tbadger: thankyou 23.33.07 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.33.14 # homielowe: see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TexasInstrumentsTMS320 23.33.21 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.33.47 # badger: probably should have searched more 23.33.53 # :-) 23.34.51 # Hmm, that doesn't work 23.35.14 # It complains about an unexpected token 23.35.51 # hm, insert a space before the semicolon on the for line 23.36.18 # same. 23.36.39 # what's the exacy error message? 23.36.43 # exact 23.37.05 # $ ./repl.sh 23.37.05 # : command not found 23.37.05 # '/repl.sh: line 3: syntax error near unexpected token `do 23.37.05 DBUG Enqueued KICK amiconn 23.37.05 # '/repl.sh: line 3: `for t in *.[chS] ; do 23.37.13 # Hmm, command not found 23.37.21 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 23.37.21 # * amiconn wonders what command that would be 23.37.36 # newline problem? 23.37.43 Nick Redbreva_Away is now known as Redbreva (n=chatzill@host86-143-232-229.range86-143.btcentralplus.com) 23.38.02 # Blargh, me hatses it 23.38.08 # You were right... 23.39.43 Part Fingolfin 23.40.16 # Question: If I make my player dualboot and use the original iriver firmware, will there be any problems if I have unreadable codecs (such as FLAC) on my player? 23.40.54 # nope 23.40.57 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@p549AF13D.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.41.09 # k thankx 23.42.49 Quit relaxed (Remote closed the connection) 23.44.01 Part kaaloo 23.44.02 # brb 23.44.02 Quit aegray_ ("leaving") 23.44.05 Quit andrewg867 ("leaving") 23.44.40 Join andrew___ [0] (n=andrew@stjhnf0124w-142162086164.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) 23.45.34 Join amar [0] (n=amar@dyn-62-56-104-134.dslaccess.co.uk) 23.48.34 # hrm 23.48.59 # it didnt set my other nick for some reason 23.49.08 Nick andrew___ is now known as andrewg867 (n=andrew@stjhnf0124w-142162086164.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) 23.51.05 Join webguest40 [0] (i=18f44eb5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-90ca9fd0ef9dcf6b) 23.51.13 Quit Juice^ ("Leaving") 23.52.31 # find apps/ -name '*.c' -exec "sed -e 's/bool/BOOL/g' {} > {}.new && mv {}.new {}" \; 23.52.35 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 23.52.35 Quit webguest40 (Client Quit) 23.52.40 Quit homielowe ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/2007021917]") 23.52.49 # argh. 23.53.58 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 23.53.58 Quit ompaul ("later") 23.54.32 # * bluebrother starts wondering how apple mounts the click wheel in the mini without it getting scratched all over 23.54.37 Join Dyne [0] (n=Not@216-164-198-234.c3-0.drf-ubr2.atw-drf.pa.cable.rcn.com) 23.56.34 Quit Bagder (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.58.06 Join webguest98 [0] (i=c7004102@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-531a11d06a9e9610)