--- Log for 20.03.107 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 1 day and 21 hours ago 00.00.03 # Again: The included WPSes will always be loadable since they're preprocessed. 00.00.21 # not if the installed version and loaded version mismatch 00.00.26 # The plugin is only necessary for loading .wps files, not .bps files (or whatever) 00.00.38 # Then it defaults to rockbox_default which is compiled in. 00.00.44 # urgh 00.00.52 # quite bad from a users point of view 00.00.54 # bluebrother: we'd still hardcode a default wps 00.00.56 # If the codec versions mismatch, music won't play. 00.01.09 # Saying "what if there's a version mismatch" isn't a strong argument 00.01.25 # If they've improperly installed rockbox, plenty of things won't work that are much more significant than "Not having to use rockbox_default" 00.01.29 # codec versions rarely change. Plugin versions quite a lot 00.01.47 # Nico_P: any chance you can make the parser smaller than 5k? 00.02.34 # Llorean: you'll get to answer all the "help! where's my wps gone" questions ;) 00.02.37 # bluebrother: Again, the plugin is only needed for unofficial WPSes, those not included with their build. 00.02.46 # pixelma: I know, and yet I'm still in favour of the idea. Crazy, innit? 00.02.46 Quit Domonoky ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 00.03.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.03.13 # crazy, but I'm still not convinced ;-) 00.03.21 # bluebrother: I don't see how "The user must have properly installed Rockbox" is a bad requirement for having additional WPSes beyond the included ones. 00.03.35 # IMO we should have as less external dependencies as possible 00.03.58 Join safetydan [0] (i=cbca159f@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 00.04.01 # markun: 5k is parser + bitmap preloading... i'm not sure how i could make it smaller but it's probably possible to optimise it 00.04.13 # (i didn't change the bitmap preloading code) 00.04.29 # it's strange - I dislike the idea even though I also would like to see bin size dropping - but cannot really argue about it 00.04.37 # why is Rockbox trying to look for OF.mi4 on the Sansa e200 series? 00.04.58 *** Alert Mode OFF 00.04.59 # chrisjs169: Are you using the officially provided bootloader, or did you compile your own? 00.05.09 # Officially provided 00.05.12 Quit obo ("bye") 00.05.22 # From the yesterdays sansapatcher 00.05.42 # Ah, well that's not the officially provided one. 00.05.56 # That's the "Experimental, work in progress" one 00.06.11 # Ah, ok 00.06.33 # But what's wrong with it looking for OF.mi4 - afaik, it also looks in the firmware partition, plus OF.bin 00.06.33 # So it's looking for it, because it was meant to. 00.06.55 # linuxstb: The one that looked for OF.MI4 for me, didn't look for OF.BIN, so there was at least one embedded version that didn't. 00.08.03 # Ah, OK. 00.08.16 # I'm all for decreasing binary size. But at what price? That binary thing isn't KISS anymore 00.08.46 # Wow. We're still arguing about binary WPS formats? :) 00.08.47 # Hmm....now I'm getting confused, I just removed the OF.bin file from /System and it still booted the OF fine.....is OF.bin actually needed? 00.09.00 # somewhat ;-) 00.09.03 # chrisjs169: Not if you're using a new enough version of sansapatcher. 00.09.30 # safetydan: I think we've just about hit the "agree to disagree" point. 00.09.31 # seems like some like it pretty much and some others strongly disagree 00.09.34 # bluebrother: I'm hesitant about it as well, but think that both the decrease in core code size, and the fact that it should give the fastest possible loading time of any method are good things. 00.09.50 # bluebrother, I think the first step of Nico_P's patch is just to clean up and improve the parsing code. It does change the internal "in memory" representation of the WPS from the original text file to a token stream. However, in no way is this user visible. 00.09.57 # I still think there are other options 00.09.59 # I think also that as long as the core binary is able to include the wpses that we include in the zip, that's good enough. 00.10.13 # safetydan: I'm not argueing against that patch. 00.10.14 # That function has to be present, without plugins being there. 00.10.37 Quit Id2ndR ("Parti") 00.10.46 # bluebrother, cool. Just checking as it's a bit hard to follow arguments across a days worth of logs :) 00.10.58 # Is there a page on the Rockbox site that deals with how well Rockbox works with car stereo systems? (Search had too many false hits.) 00.11.10 # bluebrother: As you know, I've also written a tar-file patch, and I'm not convinced that's the best approach. The binary-format-created-on-target approach means the WPS creator doesn't have to worry about creating the tar file. 00.11.23 # Not sure why the binary, on disk representation of WPS has come back up again. I thought that was dismissed as optimising the wrong end of things? 00.11.44 # bluebrother: And that means the original WPS is still more usable and distributable to windows users who may be clueless about TAR. 00.12.18 # I'd love to look into tar file loading but unfortunately I don't have the time ATM :( 00.12.19 # safetydan: It can be implemented in a way that moves about 5k of code from the core to a plugin, the code to handle text-wpses basically. Included WPSes could be binary, and loaded by the core. 00.12.28 # Hal9000: Which player do you have? Or are you looking to buy one? 00.13.03 # Hal9000: The feature you want to search for is "car adaptor mode" 00.13.37 # Llorean, ah, I see. So, every WPS not included in the build, would continue to be in the current format? 00.14.06 # I jsut bought a classic car I'm going to finish restoring, so for the first time I'm looking at good audio for a car and found many systems work with iPods. I'll be looking at car stereos first, then a player that Rockbox works on that would work with the car. 00.14.10 # safetydan: Yep, which Rockbox would transparently convert on load using the plugin to a binary file, so that on reboot just the binary needs to be loaded for faster booting. 00.14.41 # safetydan: Of course if they changed the .wps file, they'd have to reload the .wps, but no real cost there except a very slight inconvenience. 00.14.42 # Feels kind of icky... but I can't really come up with a concrete objection. 00.15.15 # safetydan: That's my feeling too :) 00.15.34 # It cuts 5k out of the core, speeds up boots, doesn't break compatibility with the existing WPS format. The only downside is that Rockbox depends on a plugin for non-included WPSes, and flashed Rockbox may not be able to load binary WPSes in a newer/older format. 00.16.41 Quit petur ("sssssssssss---------PLOP!") 00.16.46 # Lloran, those are all good (apart from the flash thing). But still... binary blobs are like sort of anathema to opensource projects :) 00.17.11 # safetydan: Yes, but the binary blop shouldn't be visible to the user (unless you're talking about the few WPSes in rockbox.zip) 00.17.15 # I still doubt it will be 5k saved in the end 00.17.33 # Anyone know... is Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 3.0 License suitable for use on WPS submissions? 00.17.59 # safetydan: I mean, compiling rockbox_default into rockbox.target is okay, but compiling it as it would show up in memory but storing it as a file outside rockbox.target is bad? 00.18.16 # Redbreva, blocking non-commercial use doesn't sound like it'd be compatible with the GPL. I'm not sure how license aggregation works with WPS's and Rockbox though. 00.18.59 # Llorean: in that case you don't compile rockbox_default into the binary -- you just provide defaults like e.g. for the settings 00.19.00 # Redbreva: I was about to say the same thing as safetydan, I don't think "noncommercial" is necessary. 00.19.02 # Redbreva: Personally, I think any WPS license should share the same spirit as the GPL. So as safetydan said, blocking commercial use is not OK... 00.19.13 Quit billytwowilly (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.19.26 # Llorean, external files are just more things to go out of sync. But hey, we already deal with that with codecs and plugins, so it's just a downside not a blocker. 00.19.33 # That's fine, just checking ;-) 00.19.36 # Redbreva: Although it seems that a lot of WPS authors don't have the right to license their WPSs anyway - they're using images (C) by others. 00.19.58 # nice, a "nothing to resume" hang again :( 00.20.02 # Which is a sticky area... 00.20.10 # after the playlist finished ... urgh. 00.20.42 # safetydan: Yeah, improper Rockbox installs will always be a problem, but since the default WPS is always going to be in-core, you'll never not have an WPS, you just may not have the option of pretty ones until you fix your install. 00.21.14 Join Vyrus [0] (n=Vyrus001@adsl-69-231-84-188.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) 00.21.21 Join entheh [0] (n=purr@88-106-204-61.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 00.21.21 Quit Vyrus001 (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.21.31 # * safetydan thinks of all those WPS patches out there that are going to break horribly once the tokenizer is comitted 00.21.42 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 00.21.48 # Indeed... No-one will upgrade for a while. 00.21.49 # * Llorean thinks of the same thing and smiles. :-P 00.21.49 # I forsee the death (or at least long sleep) for a lot of customised builds. 00.22.04 # Or a forking... 00.22.41 # noone upgrading makes less bug reporters ... 00.22.46 # a fork would be even more work if they wanted to backport interesting stuff... 00.23.08 # bluebrother: No-one upgrading unsupported builds. They better not be reporting anyway. 00.23.20 # I guess they would be no more "forks" than they are now. 00.23.23 # Well if someone forks, we'll just make sure that when/if WMA support goes in, it happens in a way that makes it very difficult to backport. That way they'll have to give up :) 00.23.33 # but users of unsupported builds will most likely stick to old builds 00.24.11 # bluebrother: they already do, some of these builds update less frequently than once a month... 00.24.41 # no wonder when they have 30-40 patches to resync every time :_) 00.24.42 # yeah, but I guess it will get even worse 00.24.53 # I don't think "not breaking unsupported builds" should ever, ever be an argument against something. 00.25.03 # safetydan: Do people still complain about no WMA support? I haven't visted MR for months... 00.25.07 # * bluebrother agrees with Llorean once 00.25.19 # bluebrother: We agree quite often, just not on this one large thing. ;) 00.25.26 # hehe :) 00.25.34 # linuxstb: They complain at MR, iaudiophile, and anythingbutipod often enough. 00.25.48 # but I guess there will be quite some discussion about that anyway 00.25.54 # I've been reading ipod posts too much... 00.25.57 # I found the part in the manual on the Car Adaptor Mode -- one question left: Will all players Rockbox runs on work with a car stereo that works with an iPod? 00.26.01 # linuxstb, actually the MR forums have been pretty dead lately. But I'm sure there was at least "Rockbox doesn't play any of my (wma) music!!!11" posts in the last week 00.26.16 # Hal9000: No, no players will, not even ipods. 00.26.17 # linuxstb: there was a thread with lots of exclamation marks wondering if we "did not support wma intentionally" I think it mysteriously disappeared :-) 00.26.54 Join Shaid [0] (i=shaid@203-214-41-252.dyn.iinet.net.au) 00.26.58 # there was this "the radio was left out intentionally" post on the ml today 00.27.19 # hmm so what would be a good period to update rockbox/..once a week?...or is developement fast?...i use a 30 gig ipod video and i had to compile the kernel with the cop patch 00.27.35 # HaSH: There's usually several builds per day, all of which may or may not have fixes you want. ;) 00.27.39 # If I don't care about handling the menu or playlist through the car stereo, is there a way to just play the audio back through the car stereo? 00.27.46 # HaSH:Keep an eye on the changelog on the front page, and upgrade when you see something that affects you. 00.27.46 # not that my opinion matter but I have to say I am opposed to the binary WPS idea too. Although the gains will be somewhat measurable, I still think it is away from the KISS perspective. It sounds weird to me to have to run a plugin to modify a wps to binary data. 00.27.47 # HaSH, cop support has been in the core for a few weeks now 00.27.51 # we should put that up on the frontpage: "We hace now decided to never ever support radio on h10 and wma, ever" :-) 00.27.52 # HaSH: Personally, a period of twice to once per week is often good enough in my opinion. 00.28.00 # have even 00.28.04 # HaSH: The key to remember is: Before reporting a bug, make sure it happens in the absolute newest version. 00.28.18 # although I am for Nico_P's patch that will make the wps code more readable 00.28.32 # XavierGr: You don't have to run a plugin. 00.28.39 # Llorean, ah well has anyone came up with a spiffy bash script to dl and build from the svn?...that would be killer. set it up on a cronjob. 00.28.42 # XavierGr: You click on the WPS exactly as normal, and Rockbox uses the WPS. 00.28.49 # XavierGr, I'm not sure you'd actually notice any difference as a user. If I understand correctly you click on a WPS as you do now, and Rockbox does the magic binary thingy. 00.29.01 # XavierGr: You wouldn't see anything out of the ordinary as a user, at all. You'd have no idea unless someone told you. 00.29.04 # yeah well.. it will be automated 00.29.20 # ive seen scripts that will do this...only for diff application 00.29.20 # HaSH, it's already there. The current build is always the latest from SVN. 00.29.22 # HaSH: "svn update && make && make zip && unzip rockbox.zip -d /mnt/player/" 00.29.32 # HaSH: There's no reason to build from SVN every time, every time there's a commit, fresh builds are made available. 00.29.36 Part toffe82 00.29.51 # hmm ok. 00.30.25 # Llorean: there could be a difference - in case you run a battery_bench at the same time (not very likely but who knows?) 00.30.35 # thanks for the info guys/gals 00.30.43 # yeah there is this chance too though that is way too rare 00.30.52 # pixelma: Yes, if there were a TSR active, there would be a conflict. 00.30.55 # battery_bench is more a debug/development feature though. 00.31.02 # except if more tsr plugins are made that are way too usefull 00.31.06 # pixelma: But this happens when you attempt to view your playlist while a TSR is active too. 00.31.13 # pixelma: afaik we ask wether we should kill the battery_benc plugin if another is about to start 00.31.16 # or get file properties 00.31.51 # reminds me that battery_bench should display a splash when interrupted 00.32.15 # are there any other tsr plugins beside battery_benchmark and the alpine cd changer thingy? 00.32.26 # not that i know of 00.32.42 # XavierGr: Be careful with that - I think the rule is that only the main thread should write to the LCD. 00.32.45 # ok guys ... I still vote for KISS instead of binary blobs, but now I should finally get some sleep 00.33.03 # guess this will get discussed for a while here ... cya 00.33.27 # linuxstb: didn't know that, but still it would be good to notify that the benchmark ended 00.33.30 # In one sense the binary blob is KISS. It simplifies the core in that it only needs to handle binary blobs. No parsing anymore. 00.33.39 Quit bluebrother ("'nite") 00.33.45 # if not on screen then on the log but then the user won't know until he opens the log file 00.33.55 Quit Frode_ (Connection timed out) 00.34.01 # which at the time will slap his forehead about it :P 00.34.55 # don't remember the details but when the tsr plugin is interrupted the callback runs code to remove the plugin thread 00.35.10 # I don't think that there will be a problem to put a spash there 00.35.17 # XavierGr: there is a message asking if you want to kill the benchmark or let it continue when you try to start another plugin 00.35.29 # there is? I don't remember it :P 00.35.34 # XavierGr: If the callback is called from the main thread, then I think all is OK. 00.35.46 # just tried it and it asked me :-) 00.35.46 Quit Redbreva ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/2007021917]") 00.35.59 # been sometime since I worked on it along with Bger 00.37.05 Join aliask [0] (i=82c20d66@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-cd54ccfe220a78ef) 00.37.20 # yup you are right nls 00.37.24 # * linuxstb was about prevent pacbox stopping music on the gigabeat, but found it already doesn't. Smooth 30fps emulation plus music playback... 00.37.52 # linuxstb: does pacbox not have it's own sound? 00.38.03 Quit Hal9000 (Remote closed the connection) 00.38.07 Join valiant3400 [0] (n=Miranda@AC96F5C4.ipt.aol.com) 00.38.09 Join Icone [0] (i=Icone@modemcable223.175-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 00.38.13 # hmm that splash won't appear when I look at the playlist though 00.38.13 # * nls never tried it 00.38.24 # hi guys 00.38.32 # hi 00.38.43 # nls: No, I never got around to porting the sound emulation parts of the emulator. 00.38.47 # Hey ! can someone show me a link who's explain how to instal RB on a Gigabeat F20 plz ? :S 00.38.49 # linuxstb: The gigabeat is just scary fast for a music player. 00.39.04 # Llorean: And the scariest thing is the battery lifetime... 00.39.04 # Icone: There's a link called "manual" at the website 00.39.08 # Yeah, I know 00.39.13 # That long at 300mhz is ridiculous. 00.39.13 # thanx :) 00.39.29 # linuxstb: it seems that playlist viewer won't kill bb, I remember hardeep doing something about it 00.39.31 # omg 300mhz 00.40.07 # my rockbox software on my sansae250 keeps skipping 00.40.11 Join webguest33 [0] (i=42444ee1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4de6bc9110ce5a33) 00.40.22 # can someone give me the link to adding patches? 00.40.23 # are the RB wun on 2.02 FW of F20 ? :S 00.40.27 # run** 00.40.30 # valiant3400: Sell it and buy a gigabeat... 00.40.47 # Icone: Rockbox is a replacement firmware. It runs on the hardware, in place of the original firmware. It doesn't run on the original firmware. 00.41.00 # Okay thx :) 00.41.03 # webguest33: See the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page. 00.41.12 # valiant3400: turn off eq/crossfeed/dithering and use a wps that doesn't have peakmeters 00.41.23 # i hope it will work fine ! :P play doom FTW ! :P 00.41.28 # I don't understand what you mean lol 00.41.41 Quit Icone (Client Quit) 00.41.50 # ok, read a little in the manual maybe? 00.42.04 # valiant3400: Which WPS/theme are you using? The default one or something else? 00.42.08 # thought I'd read all of it 00.42.19 # hmm I'll go see if I can find it 00.42.38 # Nico_P: why isn't your patch at FS yet? 00.42.51 # clues about eq/crossfeed/dithering can be found in the sound settings chapter 00.43.17 # oh one more thing, my wheel that I use to move around in there is really sensetive, if I just tuch it lightly with my thumb or something it'll move, and if I actually move it intentially it often skipps the one I wanna go to, kinda funny in a way, it doesn't do that on original firmware btw 00.44.02 # valiant3400: Rockbox on Sansa is still far, far from being done. 00.44.05 # XavierGr: havn't taken the time yet 00.44.10 # i'm on the phone atm 00.44.12 # valiant3400: The wheel and the display especially have room for improvement. 00.44.24 # ok 00.44.42 # Anyone know if the gigabeat will charge via USB when turned off? 00.44.45 # I agree with that, also we don't have fm radio and recorder yet 00.45.17 # Nico_P: I don't see a reason why not put it there from the start, more easy to refer, discuss, edit etc 00.45.17 # linuxstb: I don't know, but I suspect it doesn't as normally when plugged into an adapter while turned off, a charging symbol shows on the screen still 00.45.28 Join billytwowilly [0] (n=chris@S01060016b649355d.ed.shawcable.net) 00.45.39 # OK, I've never unpacked my adapter. 00.45.47 # XavierGr: i agree. i'll do it when i finish on the phone 00.45.55 # nice :D 00.45.58 Quit lostnihilist ("Leaving") 00.46.17 # Nico_P: but it seems that you are already good at multitasking :P 00.46.18 Quit webguest33 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.47.02 # XavierGr: I do my best :) but i don't feel up to writing the summary right now 00.47.37 # of course I am teasing you! :P 00.49.34 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 00.49.36 Join _jhMikeS_ [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 00.50.53 Quit ender` (" In a perfect world... spammers would get caught, go to jail, and share a cell with many men who have enlarged their penisses) 00.52.04 Quit mirak (Remote closed the connection) 00.52.20 Join Icone [0] (i=Icone@modemcable223.175-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 00.52.38 # its me again ( lol ) where the ''root'' folder ? :S 00.53.01 # for the gigabeat F20 00.53.02 # icone the topmost level of your dap's harddrive eg E: 00.53.26 # yeah i know but i dont have this folder 00.53.45 # Icone: it is that level, not an actual folder 00.54.08 # hum..what ? 00.54.13 # pv plz :P 00.54.35 # Icone: E:\ or D:\ or F:\ is the root folder. 00.54.40 # NOT E:\Root\ 00.54.46 # replace any occurence of "root folder" with directly to your player, not inside any folder" 00.54.48 # ahhh okay 00.55.04 # sorry because im french xD 00.55.47 # end...the gbsystem, where is it ? 00.55.59 # Probably hiding from you. 00.56.09 # You need to tell Windows to show hidden and system folders. 00.56.09 # Icone: it is superhidden 00.56.31 # thx ^^ 00.56.44 # sorry but im not verry good LOL thats my first flashing 00.57.01 # nobody has flashed a Gigabeat so far 00.57.08 # so good luck :) 00.57.13 # markun: Did you see my usb charging question? 00.57.29 # linuxstb: we can probably do it with our own bootloader in flash 00.57.47 # Icone: What markun means is that the install process isn't really flashing, just files on disk 00.58.06 # linuxstb: as inserting the USB cable can generate a interrupt 00.58.12 # I mean the problem is that my battery is low, so it won't turn on (at least, I'm assuming that's the problem...) and I'm trying to revive it with a USB charger. 00.58.16 Quit funky ("leaving") 00.58.28 # s/USB charger/USB connection to my PC/ 00.58.40 # I guess I should unpack the AC charger from the box 00.58.44 # how can i tell to windows show hidden folder ? :S 00.59.01 # linuxstb: hm, now I think of it.. it might be charging 00.59.27 # Icone: use google more :-) http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/helpandsupport/learnmore/tips/hiddenfiles.mspx 00.59.33 # as that's done by the power management chip, and perhaps it doesn't need the CPU to be running 00.59.36 # sorry xD 01.01.49 Quit entheh ("^~") 01.02.43 Part nls 01.03.23 # has anyone used the windows sansa emulator before? 01.03.26 # markun: Do you know how much flash the gigabeat has? 01.03.34 # Okay hum...i have aply hidden folder, but, the file FWIMG01.DAT dosent appair :S 01.03.59 # Have you done the same thing inside that folder? 01.04.30 # You also have to show system files 01.04.31 # yeah, for all folder 01.04.40 # Windows hides system files even with showing hidden files and folders 01.05.46 # and...how can i unlock sustem files ? 01.06.37 # OKAY 01.06.39 # ITS APPAIR 01.06.40 # lol 01.08.48 # night all 01.08.52 Quit Moos ("Quitte") 01.09.26 # linuxstb: 1MB 01.10.21 # only 1? 01.10.34 # well that's a win for coldfire and H100/H300 01.11.17 # okay, can someone help me in private plz ? 01.13.53 # or spell to me where extract the .zip file 01.14.00 # XavierGr: what would you want to store in flash? 01.14.07 # for me the bootloader is enough 01.14.10 # All the binary WPS structures... 01.14.17 # :) 01.14.20 # haha 01.14.29 # well H300 in the end will have in flash both rockbox and the OF 01.14.46 # poor H100 won't have that feature as it only has 2mb flash iirc 01.14.47 # whre i have to extract the .zip folder for the the Gigabeat F20 plz ? 01.14.57 # markun: Flashing Rockbox itself would be nice as well. 01.15.07 # Even if it's "rambox", rather than "rombox". 01.15.08 Join Frode_ [0] (n=Frode@213.167.96.196) 01.15.14 # Icone: to where your mp3 player is mapped 01.15.23 # e:\, de:\ etc 01.15.40 Join qwx [0] (n=qwm@h162n1fls34o1010.telia.com) 01.15.43 # okay thx, after its will work ? 01.16.14 # Icone: you wouldn't be the first to screw up the Gigabeat installations :) 01.16.53 # its quite easy with rbutil... 01.16.59 Quit aliask ("CGI:IRC") 01.17.11 # markun: is the gigabeat easily brickable? 01.17.20 # * linuxstb sleeps 01.17.25 Quit linuxstb ("Leaving") 01.17.25 # XavierGr: no, you can always recover 01.17.41 # nice 01.18.04 # but it might require opening the player if you screw up the bootloader 01.19.02 # okay hum...i have do all what im suppose to do, but rb dosent start :'( 01.19.25 # whoooo 01.19.33 # it's working now :) 01.20.00 # lucky...not for me 01.20.43 # Icone: did you try turning the Gigbeat off (and on) with the battery switch? 01.20.57 # awww not with battery switch xD 01.21.07 # omg im noob LOL 01.21.18 # don't worry about it :) 01.21.28 Join inversions [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 01.21.50 # okay hum... 01.21.55 # * midgey likes the battery switch instead of a reset pin... 01.22.05 # the gigabeat turn off alone :S 01.22.44 # the interface is not so beautyfull :S 01.22.57 # true 01.22.58 # now I am really turned up and impatient from my F40 to arrive :D 01.23.07 # loll 01.23.13 # XavierGr: it still isn't there?? 01.23.26 # Icone: http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=240x320x16 01.23.27 # toffe sent it on friday 01.23.36 # I would expect at least 2 weeks for it 01.23.40 # who doesn't have a gigabeat nowadays 01.23.52 # ah, I was confusing you with the other greek guy :) 01.23.53 Quit _jhMikeS_ (Nick collision from services.) 01.23.57 # if only my H300 had the cpu in the gigabeat :P 01.23.58 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 01.24.09 # ah yes 01.24.13 # XavierGr: and screen.. 01.24.22 # markun: he got it, but he is now in the army 01.24.29 # yes, I know 01.24.36 # heu, my gigabeat do the same thing of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujpHLByi2ag 01.24.36 # he hasn't open the box yet poor soul :( 01.24.43 Quit ShaunES (Remote closed the connection) 01.24.47 Join windminstrel [0] (i=windmins@god.isadouchebag.net) 01.24.58 Join webguest664465 [0] (i=415fa52f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-af026bd8f8352531) 01.24.59 Nick windminstrel is now known as ShaunES (i=windmins@god.isadouchebag.net) 01.25.03 # hi 01.25.18 # i need some help with the database 01.25.35 # webguest664465: just ask (although I probably can't help) 01.25.37 # Icone: download fonts and themes for it to make it better 01.25.47 # also a backdrop could help on the looks 01.25.55 # but read the manual for these details 01.26.09 # okay :S 01.26.16 # hope its will work...:@ 01.26.27 # when you are used to it you will love it 01.26.28 # ok, when the database on my ipod updated for the first time it made two of each song in the database 01.26.37 # and then you will forget about the ugly UI 01.26.46 # but...how can i repair the backdrop ? 01.26.51 # webguest664465: try reinitlizing the database 01.27.00 # i did 01.27.00 # backdrop = background image 01.27.04 # Icone: you can switch back to the original firmware if you want to look at a pretty UI 01.27.07 # Icone: like a wallpaper 01.27.11 # Icone: read the maunal, things like backdrops are explained 01.27.11 # LOL 01.27.13 # but.. 01.27.20 # its do this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujpHLByi2ag 01.27.21 # :( 01.27.31 # that's normal 01.27.39 # seems your installation is succesfull 01.27.41 # am i the only not seeing an issue in that video... 01.27.47 # you just need a bigger fond and a nice wps 01.27.50 # LOL 01.27.55 # ^font too 01.27.57 Quit valiant3400 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.28.00 # but...how can i work it nowe ? 01.28.16 # doesn't it do anything when you press a button? 01.28.32 # you can for example navigate to your music and play a song 01.28.35 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@ppp-69-238-95-190.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net) 01.28.47 # ah here is the Gigabeat surgeon :P 01.28.50 # Hi toffe 01.28.52 # Icone: I can't see the problem in that video 01.29.14 # but...how can i desactivate black screen ? 01.29.22 # press a button 01.29.26 # it still don't work 01.29.28 # is hold on...? 01.29.42 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.29.55 # aww nice :P 01.30.01 # thx for the patience :P 01.30.17 # and...because its the french week 01.30.19 # Merci a tous :) 01.30.36 # ??? ;) 01.30.49 # Icone: de rien 01.31.08 # tu parle francais :O 01.31.19 # The surgeon broke is test gigabeat today 01.31.29 # flash experiments? 01.31.32 # Icone: I'm learning :) (living in Paris) 01.31.34 # everybody speak french here :) 01.32.00 # but this is a English channel (luckily) 01.32.21 # toffe: you broke it? :( 01.32.24 # midgey: no, just a pad broke when I try to sold all the wire for the jtag , I have to use another one 01.32.34 # ah pitty 01.32.37 # i'm Canadian but I can't speak French :P 01.32.40 # Realy Markun, nice :D 01.32.52 # toffe: well that's why you are not a real surgeon :P 01.32.58 # what is the beter theme ? :P 01.33.06 # iCatcher :) 01.33.15 # yes ;) wait to see your gigabeat when it arrive ;) 01.33.16 # Rockboxed! 01.33.17 # * midgey like rockboxed 01.33.19 # ;) 01.33.20 # i still dose not work 01.33.32 Quit inversions (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01.33.37 # and apparently I ignore plurals... 01.33.38 # webguest664465: maybe try removing the database files and start all over again 01.34.10 Quit Frode_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.34.23 # midgey: plurals or present simple :P 01.34.50 # how? 01.34.59 # webguest664465: they are in .rockbox 01.35.12 # for put song...can i use Gigabeat room ? 01.35.16 # just delete them (either with rockbox or with a PC) 01.35.17 # yah i meant that I ignore 's's 01.35.21 # Icone: no, you can't 01.35.33 # ok 01.35.54 # Icone: you copy and paste songs onto your gigabeat and rockbox can play them 01.36.07 # Icone: if you are happy with Gigabeat room I don't think you need rockbox 01.36.10 # Okay, what folder ? 01.36.14 # any folder 01.36.27 # realy ? lol thats pretty cool !:P 01.36.43 # what ones do i remove? 01.37.04 # webguest664465: the files that start with database in the .rockbox folder 01.38.09 Nick Aikon_ is now known as Aikon (n=root@dslb-084-058-204-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) 01.40.28 Join homielowe [0] (n=chatzill@d206-116-143-29.bchsia.telus.net) 01.41.22 # so my F20 will read video ? 01.41.42 # read the MpegPlayer wiki page 01.42.29 # okay 01.42.38 # and, mayby the last question 01.42.40 # but yes, it will read MPEG-2 video with MP3 audio. However it is still under development and some important features aren't implemented yet 01.43.05 # i read how to wsp ( theme i guess ) 01.43.21 # but, i do all what they said, and the theme dosent change 01.43.28 # battery restart ? 01.43.57 # no, you must be doing something wrong 01.44.01 # no need to reboot 01.44.05 # okay ? 01.44.07 # you choose "Browse Themes" and select a theme? 01.44.20 # hum...wait :P 01.44.35 # midgey: that would be too easy :) 01.44.50 # it should then say "Loading..." and "Settings Loaded" 01.45.15 # markun: here at rockbox, we purposely make things difficult for users :) 01.45.15 # thats just change the background color when i choose rockboxed ( for exemple ) 01.45.35 # have you installed the font package? 01.45.51 # the what ? :P 01.46.02 # it was in the install instructions... 01.46.03 # Icone: check the 'extra' download page 01.46.14 # midgey: people don't read that 01.46.18 # okay ^^ 01.46.39 # yeah i read...but not all :P 01.46.41 # i wonder why more people aren't using rbutil 01.46.47 # a guy at mygigabeat asked me why I pointed him to the Doom installation instructions instead of just telling him how to do it.. 01.46.53 # i prefer have help on demand...LOL 01.47.00 # I don't even know what rbutil does 01.47.11 # i wanted to try rbutil out and see how it worked when i first got my gigabeat 01.47.31 # you literally press three buttons and your player has been rockboxed 01.49.30 # hmm is there any way to do a power function without just multiplying over and over? 01.50.45 # (this is all with ints of course) 01.50.45 Quit webguest664465 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.51.46 # markun: using rbutils make things easier 01.52.41 # if you use rbutils, just select the themes you want and click install, is that too easy :) 01.53.00 # my .wsp dosent load :S 01.53.13 # with rbutils ? 01.56.05 # someone...my .wsp file dosent load :( 01.57.08 # I just crashed rbutil :( 01.57.21 # tried to preview a gigabeat theme hehe 01.57.35 # loll 01.57.41 # but, can u help me ? :P 01.57.44 # Icone: you need to give more information than "doesn't load" 01.58.17 # i push right arrow, thats say ''loading'' 01.58.21 # good night everyone 01.58.31 # good night 01.58.38 # night 01.58.39 # and thats stay at the basic theme 01.58.56 Quit cynicalliberal (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.59.01 # which theme are you loading? 01.59.19 # hummm 01.59.26 # beatMP 01.59.47 # i can show u on webcam if you want...do u have MSN ? 02.00.22 # no, and BeatMP rquires a custom build, it wont look right on regular rockbox 02.00.31 # s/rquires/requires 02.00.44 # okay 02.00.56 # Try loading Rockboxed; what happens? 02.01.05 # wait 02.01.16 Join JdGordon [0] (i=82c20d68@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-43b03c0229062835) 02.01.20 # same thing... 02.01.20 Join wrobbie [0] (n=rob@cm74.kappa84.maxonline.com.sg) 02.01.30 # icatcher? 02.01.33 # the background doesnt change color? 02.01.40 # did you install the fonts? 02.01.47 # (is should be yellow now...) 02.01.53 # s/is/it 02.01.58 # no...same thing 02.01.59 # :S 02.02.19 # and you're doing this through "Browse Themes" in the settings menu? 02.03.02 # omg...big but 02.03.04 # bug 02.03.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.03.25 # cant read... 02.03.56 # any sansa users in here? 02.04.51 # but now, my background are from beatMP 02.05.47 # lol 02.06.08 # Settings>General Settings>Display>LCD Settings>Clear Backdrop 02.06.58 # okay but...how can i load theme ? :S 02.07.16 # that just clears your background 02.07.23 # icone: did you install the fonts pack? 02.08.09 # no... 02.08.30 # then themes won't work 02.08.35 # I told you so before 02.08.49 # install the fonts pack 02.08.57 # and so did markun and myself, iirc 02.08.59 # okay :P 02.09.10 # http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/rockbox-fonts.zip 02.09.40 # no thats good, this is instal 02.10.02 # install means put the extracted folder in .rockbox 02.10.27 # okay, thats what i do 02.10.33 # Llorean: you around? 02.10.39 # now when i clic on rockboxed 02.10.50 # my background go on yellow 02.11.00 # and my font is now better 02.11.14 # now play a song 02.11.15 # ok then done 02.11.18 # Icone: maybe you should just play around with rockbox for a while and listen to music. Come back if you still have questions after a week or so. 02.11.37 # * midgey once again recommends the manual 02.11.42 # indeed 02.12.28 # but, for the menu, i dont have theme ? 02.12.38 # what the heck! a "water-bridge"!!!! 02.12.43 # http://officespam.chattablogs.com/archives/Germany-Water-Bridge.jpg 02.13.26 # Icone: the menu consists only from the font and the backdrop 02.13.38 # so no you won't have funny icons and stuff around in the menu 02.13.48 # just a bigger font and a wallpaper 02.14.07 # ohhh :( 02.14.24 # are this is possible to have a nice menu ? 02.14.30 # yes 02.14.37 # how ? 02.14.45 # ah, then no :) 02.14.51 # haha 02.14.52 # I misread you question 02.14.56 # lolll :( 02.15.05 # Icone you listen to music in your mp3 player 02.15.10 # you don't stare at it 02.15.25 # if you want to stare at it I suggest to be in the while-playing-screen 02.15.34 # the menus will always be text-based unless someone codes an alternative 02.15.34 # or just use the official firmware 02.15.34 # Icone: there are a few things you can do: 02.15.52 # - wait for someone to add features to make the menu look better 02.15.54 # Rockbox isnt about the looks it is about many codecs fun plugins and lots and lots of playback features 02.15.58 # - help us making it better 02.16.08 # - go back to the Toshiba firmware 02.16.19 # LOL 02.16.40 # not thats will be okay :P 02.17.30 # XavierGr: you never saw a water bridge, there is one in my town in France wich is 200years old or more ;) 02.17.47 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 02.18.04 # toffe: I can't even imagine how it works 02.18.25 # how do they keep that much water up there for ships to sail? 02.18.58 # http://www.anpei.org/c3pageregions_005_edm_004_clateral.htm 02.19.09 Join jhulst_ [0] (n=jhulst@ppp-70-226-78-199.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) 02.19.10 # XavierGr: that looks awesome! 02.19.26 # I image with really powerful pumps? 02.20.15 # XavierGr: it is simple , like all the canals in the world, you need a reserve of water (lake) somewhere 02.20.49 # look the panama canal, there is a like in the middle 02.21.08 Quit billytwowilly (Remote closed the connection) 02.21.41 # hey this is near Toulouse ! that's where I study :) 02.21.58 # XavierGr: I'm writing the tracker entry for the tokenizer 02.22.03 # the canal on the photo which join the ocean to the mediteraneen sea as a reserve of water near Carcassone, from this point water goes one way to the ocean or other way to the sea 02.22.34 # end of geographic lesson ;) 02.23.44 Join zeth_ [0] (n=zeth@82-36-234-82.cable.ubr01.harb.blueyonder.co.uk) 02.23.45 Quit zeth (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.24.11 # hehe thanks for the info but still it seems strange to me 02.26.30 # http://www.canaldumidi.com/Geographie/Partage-des-Eaux.php 02.26.44 # look the drawing at the end of the page 02.27.18 # it explain where the water come and goes 02.28.01 # so it is like a made river? no pumps or stuff like that? 02.28.18 # yes 02.28.58 # because in the picture I posted it seems to me that the water-bridge draws water from a lower level and then redirect it down 02.29.10 # ^redirects 02.29.59 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6862 02.30.34 # nice work Nico_P :) 02.30.47 # have we got an outcome to the parser in rock question? 02.30.51 # or argument? 02.31.01 # JdGordon: have you seen my improved RTC code ? 02.31.23 # JdGordon: not really... I'm waiting to hear what the swedes have to say on this 02.31.29 # Bagder seemed to like it 02.32.26 # I rekon, as long as the user only knows to load a wps then its fine... 02.32.40 # but if the user knows there is an intermediate file then its no good... 02.32.47 # linuxtsb didnt like that tho 02.32.49 # anyway I think I'd like to commit it in its current principle and maybe build on that afterwards 02.33.08 # of course 02.33.16 # Yeah, one patch per feature as always 02.33.20 # * JdGordon doesnt have his usb cable here to test 02.33.52 # I just hope I won't get hit because of binsize :p 02.33.58 # not sure how much it adds though 02.34.07 # i'll have a look 02.34.07 # Llorean: you are here :) have you got your sansa handy? 02.34.31 # JdGordon: I just got back from dinner. 02.34.42 # Give me about 5 minutes to clear some stuff up and I can then dig up my Sansa. 02.35.27 # great 02.35.38 # Nico_P, looks good. Looks very good. 02.35.38 # Nico_P: yeah that rtc code looks much better 02.35.41 # Was there something that needed testing? 02.35.53 # JdGordon: and it doesn't crash :) 02.36.00 # Only question I would have is about the buffer sizes. Do we really need to support 1024 WPS tokens? 02.36.04 # always a bonus :) 02.36.23 # I would think 1024 is about correct... 02.36.34 Nick zeth_ is now known as zeth (n=zeth@82-36-234-82.cable.ubr01.harb.blueyonder.co.uk) 02.36.36 # some of them are pretty heavy.... 02.36.56 # safetydan: I had a WPS that used something like 600-700 02.37.06 # and the formatbuffer is 3072 02.37.35 # Well so long as it's based on realy world numbers. Would have been an easy place to trim some size. 02.37.54 # Nico_P: one thing I would suggest is reorder the struct wps_tag struct so the 4 chars are after eachother... might pack more nicely 02.38.52 # safetydan: i don't think it has an effect on binsize 02.39.00 # hmm... although hat may be very irritating to do 02.39.18 # it will have a tiny effect on RAM usage tho.... 02.39.51 # Nico_P, sorry yes. Misthink on my part. 02.40.21 # JdGordon: I'll try doing it... shouldn't be too hard 02.40.46 # na, dont bother... 02.41.19 # what is the sizeof struct wps_token ? 02.41.35 # 10bytes? 02.42.14 # I'm guessing 16 including padding 02.42.14 # 12 02.42.17 # you could probably merge the first 3 variable of that into one int... but that doesnt work so nicely with KISS 02.42.24 # just asked gdb 02.42.56 # JdGordon: Okay, I've got my Sansa. What's up? 02.43.04 # you got linux? 02.43.12 # sizeof(enum wps_token_type) is 4 :( 02.43.16 # is the flag member of wps_token used? Or are my searching skills gone off? 02.43.17 # why can't it be less ? 02.43.18 # JdGordon: VMWare 02.43.22 # Nico_P, yeah because it's an int 02.43.38 # safetydan: why can't gdb detect it could be a short ? 02.43.39 # Llorean: can vmware connect tot he sansa? 02.43.46 # gcc i mean 02.43.51 # JdGordon: Yes 02.44.07 # Llorean: cool :) can you dump the hidden partition with dd please? 02.44.07 # Nico_P, I think by definition in C that enum's are ints. 02.44.12 # ah 02.44.18 # JdGordon: With Rockbox installed, or an OF? 02.44.27 # either or... 02.44.43 # need you to get me 40 bytes from it... 02.44.58 # actually.. do you know whch OF you installed? 02.44.59 # JdGordon: You did know daniel had several copies of it posted here, right? http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200.html 02.45.08 # safetydan: you're right, I forgot to remove the flag 02.45.28 # Woo! Space savings :) 02.46.11 # bool might also be an int. I can't remember how stdbool.h defines things. 02.46.12 # sizeof(struct wps_token) is still 12 though 02.46.26 # I would guess bool would be unsined char... 02.46.46 # but if you could merge flag the bool and the tag into one it would get it down to 8 bytes... 02.46.50 # If you wanted to, you could probably do something dodgy where the top bit of the type field is used as a the "bool next" flag 02.46.55 Join billytwowilly [0] (n=chris@S01060016b649355d.ed.shawcable.net) 02.47.00 # *1024 is a 4kb saving.... 02.47.44 # JdGordon: sounds possible but not very clear to me 02.47.48 # Nico_P: I'm a bit unsure as my coding skills are about nothing but IIUC you could ifdef out the backdrop code for mono screens 02.48.07 # JdGordon: Anyway, I can dump a clean 01.00.12A firmware partition if you need it. 02.48.08 # pixelma: which backdrop code ? 02.48.17 # pixelma: iirc, backdrop is enabled from greyy targets 02.48.32 # IIRC it's ifedef with LCD_DEPTH > 1 02.48.33 # JdGordon: that's why I said mono... ;) 02.48.33 # Llorean: a, thats the same one as barry so dont bother... 02.48.39 # Okay 02.48.41 # woops... sorry :p 02.48.51 # Llorean: can you test out a bootloader for me? 02.48.58 # * JdGordon 's brother has his sansa :( 02.49.12 # Sure 02.49.29 # Am I supposed to install it via sansapatcher, or the old method? 02.49.52 # any method you like :) 02.50.04 # you want the diff or the mi4? 02.50.08 # Well, does it look for OF.bin, OF.MI4, or an original firmware in the boot partition? 02.50.08 # Nico_P: lines 2507ff (but maybe I'm not reading it correctly and that's not an important part) 02.50.13 # mi4 would be best. 02.50.19 # in your patch 02.51.07 # how can i reverse the screen to the side ? :S ( if its possible 02.51.29 # pixelma: it could have another ifdef but that's debug code that's in an ifdef DEBUG 02.51.35 # so not very important 02.51.36 # ok 02.51.37 # Llorean: in your gmail... once its installed, turn it on with usb and leave it.. of all goes well you should be dumped in the OF without it rebuilding 02.52.09 # Nico_P: could you move that debug code into another file for readability? 02.52.09 # Icone: it's not really possible 02.52.15 # JdGordon: Do I need OF.bin, OF.mi4, or original firmware in the boot partition? 02.52.25 # JdGordon: wps_debug.c ? 02.52.28 # you havnt got rockbox installe dyet? 02.52.49 # is there any reason that wps_load returns a bool (which seems to be always true...) 02.53.00 # JdGordon: My Sansa's currently clean. 02.53.15 # oh.. hmm... ok dont worry about it unless your ready to install rb 02.53.22 # I'm ready to install RB 02.53.37 # I've done it about a million times, just the last thing I tested was sansapatcher uninstall 02.53.57 # ok then... make sure you have one of the OF. files in /System and install it with sansapatcher... 02.54.08 # Okay, I'll put OF.bin back 02.54.14 # detection isnt perfect yet so without an OF.bin or OF.mi4 you could be in trouble 02.54.28 # Eh, I'm comfy with recovery mode. :) 02.54.45 # same :) i think its faster to upgrade the bl from there anyway... 02.54.49 # It is 02.54.53 # No need to reboot into the OF to do it 02.54.55 # untill we get this usb detection stuff working proerly 02.56.03 # Hmm, Sansapatcher -a didn't seem to work. Hangs at the sandisk logo, lemme try a classic upgrade to it. 02.56.22 # how long did it hang for? 02.56.25 # how's the usb stuff coming? Awesome work by the way. 02.56.32 # JdGordon: Until I turned it off? 02.56.43 # like more than a few seconds? 02.56.50 # 20+ seconds before I held Power for 15 seconds 02.56.57 # ok, then it crashed :p 02.56.57 # hum someone, can i flip doom to the side with my F20 ? 02.57.10 # Icone: only with a custom build.... 02.57.20 # doom has an option in the menu 02.57.21 # JdGordon: Crashed, or the version of sansapatcher I've to sitting around isn't perfectly reliable. It's not the newest 02.57.26 # okay 02.57.33 # could be... 02.57.35 # but i dont see that option LOL 02.57.45 # anywya, i can play :P thats the important :) 02.57.55 # Llorean: anyway, this is why i want the verbose mode enabled if your gooing into the OF 02.57.57 # Icone: rotate by 90 02.58.57 # ahhhh 02.58.57 # LOL 02.58.59 # thx :D 02.59.02 # ur hot :P 02.59.08 # ... 02.59.24 # * BHSPitMonkey savors the awkwardness 02.59.58 # JdGordon: Alright, yeah, your bootloader crashes somewhere 03.01.08 # crap, ok 03.01.36 # does it work without the usb cable going into OF? 03.02.02 # oh.. haha woops... sorry, infinite loop :p 03.02.52 # That'll do it. 03.03.25 # sorry, new one is in your email if your game :) 03.03.41 # yourll have to use recovery mdoe for this one :'( 03.03.57 # actually... connecting to usb should get you out of the loop 03.04.31 # Okay, boots OF when USB is connected. 03.05.19 # ok, can you mount it.. copy something onto it then go back into OF with usb connected please? 03.06.22 # Well, upon rebooting the player into Rockbox, then trying to boot the OF a second time, by shutting down, and plugging in USB while turned off, it freezes 03.06.29 # JdGordon: I moved the debug code to another file, but somehow, #ifdef DEBUG seems to be always false in apps/SOURCES 03.06.58 # if I add that around my debug code file, it never compiles 03.07.27 # JdGordon: On the second attempt to boot, the calculated CRC32 doesn't match the listed CRC32 03.07.31 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.07.58 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B97716.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.08.57 # JdGordon: And the CRC32 seems to be changing every boot or two. 03.09.29 # The calculated one, that is 03.09.48 # Llorean: yeah, sansapatcher isnt perfect yet... 03.10.07 # JdGordon: This isn't a sansapatcher problem 03.10.26 # not really sure hwere hte problem is :( 03.10.35 # I'm talking about: Sansapatcher a bootloader on. OF boots fine from RBOF image. Rockbox boots fine. Try booting OF a second time, CRC check fails. 03.10.49 # Then, every one or two boots, the calculated CRC is different. 03.10.51 # yeah, that happens here also... 03.11.40 # but the time it got into the OF, did it rebuild the db? 03.12.04 # JdGordon: Not that I noticed. 03.12.20 # I may have missed it 03.12.26 # I'm fixing my sansa and trying again 03.13.44 # JdGordon: Okay, testing it with OF.bin this time 03.13.50 # The database is not rebuilt upon booting the OF 03.13.53 # you cant miss it.. unless you have no music? the damn thing takes aged 03.13.59 # I have no music. :) 03.14.02 # is this with usb connected? 03.14.10 # With USB connected in the bootloader, yes 03.14.19 # awesome, then it works :) 03.14.24 # Once, USB connected all the way, second time USB removed right after the bootloader says "Loading OF.bin" 03.14.44 # Could you make a version of the bootloader with the CRC32 check disabled (or just always returning that it passes)? 03.14.47 # oh... the 2nd time was proabbly too late 03.14.56 # Too late? 03.14.56 # yep 03.14.58 # one min 03.15.11 # yeah, too late.. usb detection is fairly early on in the loader 03.15.18 # Oh, I wasn't trying to avoid detection 03.15.35 # I was trying to avoid the original firmware detecting the USB and going straight into USB mode. I wasn't sure if it skips database refreshes when going to USB. 03.16.06 # But I removed all my music since I kept having to boot the OF while testing sansapatcher. It still says refreshing, normally, it's just only for about 2 seconds. 03.16.32 # ok, this one ignores the checksum... 03.16.57 # startight after disconnecting, reconnect usb and elave it untill you get nto the OF... it should say "rebuild byte reset" 03.17.13 # But I'd like to see if it's the OF in the partition is becoming corrupted, or just changes slightly with every boot attempt. 03.17.37 # the OF should not be changed at all.. ever... 03.17.47 # We don't know what the flash loader does. 03.18.15 Quit Icone () 03.18.21 # Even if it's tweaking a single byte of that data for some reason it could change the CRC32 from the old precalculated one, no? 03.18.54 # yeah, but the crc is checked ont he actually bootloader... the flash loader should not be changing anything in that area... 03.20.27 # The CRC is checking the main firmware image right, and comparing it to a value we've stored? 03.22.50 # the crc is stored in the mi4 header... so we ccheck our crc against that value... 03.23.01 Quit Thundercloud_ (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 03.23.17 # Yes, but do we have any solid evidence the rest of the MI4 is never changed by the flash loader? 03.23.45 # no.. semi easy to check tho... 03.24.00 # we can dump the hidden partition in rockbox, so before the OF gets a chance to fiddle... 03.24.04 # Because either the flash loader's changing it, or our bootloader is. 03.24.11 # unless the flash loader mangles it... then we have no chance 03.25.00 # Yeah, see the calculated CRC32 was just completely different from the stored CRC32, and the OF boot fine 03.25.08 # thing is tho.. if that data is being changed (and its by us) we are corrupting the OF which is bad.... but I doubt it is, because I would assume the OF checks the crc also... 03.25.29 # did it say rebuild byte reset? 03.25.54 # Not that I saw 03.26.02 # bugger :( 03.26.42 # The last line is the calculated CRC32, nothing after that in the bootloader 03.26.51 # But it's booted up the OF three times, with three different calculated ones 03.27.21 # maybe our crc code isnt being initialed correctly? 03.27.21 # It's not building the database when the OF boots, at least 03.27.44 # Either our CRC32 code is bad, or the bootpartition is changing. 03.27.56 # Though I have seen the same calculated CRC32 two boots in a row at one point. 03.29.03 # But that was mostly my point, to verify that the OF still worked fine despite the CRC32 check failing, so we know at least that the OF isn't mangled. 03.29.30 # are you connecting to usb between retries? it only rebuilds if it was actually mounted.. and it only disables it if the usb was connected pretty muc as soon as the bootloader starts 03.30.10 # bugger... battery starting to run too low to work... might drop out shortly :( 03.31.16 # bed time for me 03.31.33 # cya Nico_P 03.31.37 # bye 03.31.44 # JdGordon: Yes, I'm connecting to USB between retries 03.31.45 Quit Nico_P (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.31.58 Quit smolyn (Remote closed the connection) 03.32.09 # Let me write a file to it, to check 03.32.10 # Llorean: you want a version which can dump the hidden partition from rockbox? dump it a few times and compare them ? 03.32.30 # JdGordon: I'll just use DD 03.32.34 # AFter this other test 03.32.42 # if its not saying rebuild byte reset then its not working... 03.33.01 # no.. dd gets it after the OF finishes with it.. and possibly resets anything which we need to look for 03.34.03 # JdGordon: Okay, I'm booting the sansa by plugging in USB to wake it, and yeah, it refreshed the DB. =/ 03.34.34 # ok, must have some logic wrong... or yours isnt in the same place as barry's :( 03.34.43 # Okay, sure, make a bootloader that'll dump the OF image that it's CRC32 checking. 03.35.33 # righto... hold up for it to dump 03.35.47 # it puts it in /part.bin... so make sure to rename it between each dump :p 03.36.23 # I found it easiest to view the diff by running both through hexdump -C then use diff on them 03.36.47 # JdGordon: How many sectors is it supposed to be dumping? 03.37.08 # 4096 03.37.12 # no... 03.37.22 # 40960 takes about a min or 2 03.37.27 # Okay 03.37.34 # I was gonna say, it's at 25000 03.37.49 Quit ctaf ("Leaving.") 03.39.01 # anyone know a crc32 checker for linux? 03.43.20 # alright, im off... 03.43.27 Quit JdGordon ("CGI:IRC") 03.44.20 Join Noah0504 [0] (n=noah@66.141.90.76) 03.44.25 # Hey everyone. 03.44.30 Part Noah0504 03.45.54 # That's gotta be some kind of record. 03.47.03 Quit homielowe ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/2007021917]") 03.47.49 # Wow, there really are differences between the firmware partition between two boots. 03.47.50 # =/ 03.48.22 # I was kinda assuming it'd be an error in our CRC32 routing 03.48.24 # routine 03.48.36 Join i6zl [0] (n=dublin_s@cpe-75-180-37-252.columbus.res.rr.com) 04.03.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.19.52 Part safetydan 04.20.56 Join marc [0] (n=marc@244.185.79.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 04.26.13 Quit |Rincewind| ("Cya") 04.26.48 Join DarkSoul [0] (i=Darkened@ylknnt180-177.theedge.ca) 04.26.58 Quit DarkSoul (Client Quit) 04.27.34 Join DarkSoul [0] (i=Darkened@ylknnt180-177.theedge.ca) 04.28.53 # Hello 04.29.51 # anyone alive? 04.30.35 # Dont all answer at once. 04.31.14 # if you need help, just ask the question 04.32.05 Quit marc| (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.32.13 Part pixelma 04.35.50 # Okay I just got Roxbox for my iPod 30gb Video and I was wondering if there is any current suport for .mp4 via plugin or anything. 04.38.58 # .mp4 is a container format. 04.39.20 # It can contain many types of data. 04.39.29 # are you referring to audio, or video? 04.39.47 # Video. 04.40.06 # then no it doesnt 04.40.06 # None whatsoever, then. 04.40.24 # aww. 04.40.43 # Damn movies/video or games... 04.40.51 # hard choice... 04.42.08 # gah rockbox should be like ipod linux where you press |<< to activate it otherwise it loads just normal 04.42.25 Join BHSPitMonkey_ [0] (n=stephen@adsl-65-64-200-170.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 04.42.45 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Nick collision from services.) 04.42.55 Nick BHSPitMonkey_ is now known as BHSPitMonkey (n=stephen@adsl-65-64-200-170.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 04.42.55 # then code a patch to do so 04.42.59 Join jhulst__ [0] (n=jhulst@ppp-70-226-78-199.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) 04.43.33 # * DarkSoul r c++ nub :D 04.43.53 # i can only do web browser crap. 04.43.55 # php and the such 04.44.18 # im hopeless when it comes to useful coding ;P 04.44.22 # you are incapable of learning C? 04.44.36 # Well, then just get used to using the existing dual booting functionality with Rockbox as a default. 04.45.31 # no not incapable, i just have no time to. 04.46.21 # I would have no clue where to even start to make something like that 04.46.33 # except notepad, thats where all good comes from 04.46.59 # not really... 04.47.12 # the build will fail if you use notepad 04.48.45 # Yeah no compiler :P 04.49.14 # Okay now i've got a serious problem. 04.49.23 # not for that reason...you wouldnt be able to even try and build with no compiler....i am referring to CR vs LF 04.49.29 # comps not detecting the ipod... 04.49.50 # * midgey had to use notepad in a programming competition... 04.50.04 # th the ipod in disk mode? 04.50.12 # Yes 04.50.26 # then rockbox isnt running at all 04.50.32 # other groups were allowed visual studio, so im not sure that we were given equivalent resources 04.52.49 # I think i need to restart :( 04.53.51 # Or not 04.55.02 # Hrml 04.55.14 # Wiki says that rockbox has an mpeg player 04.55.31 # "MPEG video player" 04.55.43 # MPEG1 and MPEG2 04.56.30 # I think it's in early devel right now. 04.56.38 # quite early. Like no audio 04.56.43 # It has audio. 04.56.56 # awesome. When did that happen? 04.56.57 # But it might be out of sync with the video 04.57.05 # Uh, maybe a month or two ago? 04.57.05 # it recently got volume changing too 04.57.08 # Don't remember exactly. 04.57.08 # oh right, that's it. My memory is worse than I thought;) 04.57.09 # And it doesn't refill the buffer, so you're limited to about 20mb of video. 04.57.38 # linuxstb is cooking up audio-video syncing 04.57.43 # do you have a ballpark idea of when default ipod movie capibility will be in 04.57.47 # Nifty. Any work on supporting other formats like mp4/divx? 04.57.56 # .mp4 04.57.58 # DarkSoul: Possibly never 04.58.02 # :( 04.58.09 # The iPod uses a special chip just for movies 04.58.21 # Which we cannot use because there is absolutely NO documentation for it. 04.58.25 # my poor borat movie will never be played though! 04.58.26 # the broadcom chip, I'd love that specsheet. 04.58.39 # sounds like some reverse engineering is in order;) 04.58.40 # DarkSoul: So convert it. 04.58.42 # someone should get employed at the Apple hardware department and smuggle us a copy 04.58.53 # yah, then you can't use that code... 04.59.06 # it also does all the 3d effects and has its own 64meg of ram 04.59.08 # Yeah but then i need to get some fansy ipod ripping tool 04.59.25 # DarkSoul: Ripping tool? 04.59.27 # and i cant find one that is free 04.59.36 # DarkSoul: If it's a video you bought from the iTunes store, then it's encrypted and Rockbox can't ever be able to play it, anyway. 04.59.54 # videora is free 05.00.07 # and will make various video formats into something the OF will play. 05.00.11 # I ripped the movie from DVD 05.00.26 # into... mp4 i think 05.00.44 # i dont remember. that was last night. too long ago. 05.00.46 # MP4 is not a format. 05.00.51 # MP4 is a container. 05.00.54 Part toffe82 05.01.24 # It can have a variety of different types of video in it. The most common for iPods is h.264, but other MPEG-4 codecs such as DivX can output videos they'll play too, I believe. 05.01.43 # So is the tupperware in my cupboard 05.01.53 # :D 05.01.59 # i thought ipods could play MPEG-4 video with AAC audio or MP3 audio 05.02.12 # Let me open the DVD ripper 05.02.12 # Yes, and if I said "I'm having what's in my tupperware for dinner" you'd have no clue what I meant. 05.02.28 # I would 05.02.32 # It's macaroni 05.02.33 # midgey: Yup. H.264 is part of the MPEG-4 standard. 05.02.39 # H264 05.02.40 # :) 05.02.48 # or beef stroganoff. Depends which tupperware you pick in the fridge. 05.02.58 # regardless of what's in your tupperware its better than my dorm food... 05.03.23 # Thats the only thing that the stupid program will rip to without crashing after every chapter 05.03.27 # :\ 05.03.32 # Never pay for thing 05.04.00 # WOOHOO! 05.04.19 # So anyways its Ripped into H264 Mp4. 05.04.23 # a torrent I've had in my download queue for like 4 months finally finished! 05.05.03 # and im guessing what ever video player for rockbox doesnt support H.264 does it 05.05.21 # Rockbox only plays MPEG1 and 2, as we said earlier 05.05.40 # *hits it till it suports what he wants* <3 05.05.57 # maybe more if we start getting more cooperation like the austria microsystems stuff on the sansa. It would be cool if broadcom opened up. 05.06.01 # H.264, also known as AVC, is part of the MPEG-4 standard. It's also very highly compressed, so even should some MPEG-4 support happen in Rockbox, it's not guaranteed to include the AVC part of it. 05.06.16 # billytwowilly: Broadcom is known for being quite the opposite of cooperative. 05.06.24 # yah, I'm dreaming;) 05.07.01 # So then my best bet is either 05.07.14 # 1. Rip my videos off my ipod and convert. 05.07.18 # or 05.07.46 # Don't bother until Rockbox video support is at least working to the point that you can watch a 2 hour movie. 05.07.49 # 2. Wait for Rockbox to be installed along with default ipod software and choose between which loads 05.08.02 # Even then, on the iPod video your best bet is to just boot into the original firmware whenever you want to watch a movie. 05.08.04 # DarkSoul: You can already do that 05.08.11 # you can boot the regular Apple OS 05.08.32 # i asked and someone told me i had to code that myself 05.08.44 # DarkSoul: You were told you'd have to code it defaulting to the original OS yourself. 05.09.01 # Oh heck naw 05.09.04 # i dont want that :P 05.09.29 # So im guessing rtfm to find out how to do switch? 05.09.48 # It'd be about time for you to be getting along to the manual, yes. 05.10.07 # but i love talking to people :) 05.10.19 # I read installing and playing music 05.10.24 # then i got bored 05.10.49 # only 100+ pages to go! 05.12.24 # DarkSoul: You could just hit up the IpodFAQ wiki page, then go to the manual for anything not covered there. 05.13.26 # ahh but thats why im here Llorean 05.13.49 # i looked around for video/movie and junk and i found stuff about converting in linux. 05.13.50 # ;D 05.14.18 # The only official stuff about video should be the PluginMpegplayer page which is quite clear on supported formats. 05.14.32 Quit midgey () 05.17.22 # Umm i cant find anything about switching to the original os... 05.19.04 # DarkSoul: Did you try the IpodFAQ page as I suggested? 05.19.11 # DarkSoul: It's also in section 3.1.2 of the manual 05.19.48 # DarkSoul: You could've found it by searching for "dual-boot", "boot", "original", "original firmware" and probably a few other terms. 05.19.54 # The manual and faq are long, i tried using serch functions 05.20.04 # i tried Apple OS, Original OS 05.20.08 # and things like that 05.20.43 # You'll notice Rockbox calls itself a firmware, and claims to replace existing firmwares. 05.20.48 # A solid suggestion that we refer to them as firmwares. 05.21.09 # As well, with the faq, it's the 7th question down, if you'd simply read the list of question/links. 05.21.36 # Learning to navigate the documentation will greatly aid you in future use of the software. 05.21.59 # The manuals not too bad, but the site's navigation seems backwards and confusing. 05.22.29 # Well, it is a Wiki, and improvements are welcome. 05.23.42 # Oh wiki, im looking thought the index -> FAQ 05.24.10 # DarkSoul: I told you, specifically, the IpodFAQ wiki page. 05.24.17 # Oh wait same thing 05.24.49 # I found out how to do it im trying to find out where in the wiki it says it x.x 05.25.09 # It says it in the IpodFAQ wiki page, question #77 05.25.11 # 7 05.26.24 # Okay i see where you are now 05.26.32 # i was looking through generalFAQ 05.27.28 # When someone says the "Blah" wiki page, they mean the page specifically titled that, especially if it's more than one word concatenated into a single word. 05.28.03 # You should, if they've typed it properly, be able to copy and paste the page name they've given you into the "Go to" box in the wiki 05.28.54 # I've never liked non-wikipedia wikis. :P 05.29.30 # Okay thanks for all the help Llorean. 05.29.46 # i think i've got a grasp on most things for now. 05.30.05 # :o 05.31.23 # Hey, now he's more a personal question. 05.31.44 # Nah never mind 05.31.52 # i've bugged you enough. 05.34.18 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 05.34.34 # <3 the icons for changing in rockbox firmware. :) 05.35.36 # Rockbox seems a little harder on batteries then the default though... 05.35.51 # it is 05.35.53 # maybe just because i've beem messing around with settings too much 05.36.04 # ahh so im not paranoid. 05.36.04 # no...it is a known issue 05.36.09 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=lostnihi@ppp-68-251-35-5.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) 05.36.53 # I remembered reading something about SVN 05.37.16 # that means i can use my SVN thingie to auto update rockbox for me :) 05.37.47 # Only if you're compiling. 05.38.13 # :\ 05.38.17 # nah. 05.38.35 # SVN is a source code version control system. 05.39.48 Nick joshin is now known as joshin_ (n=joshin@unaffiliated/joshin) 05.40.34 # I got TortoiseSVN to update WireMod for Gmod10 :\ 05.40.47 # nothing about source coding there. 05.41.10 # Well i guess the lua's dont need compiling... 05.41.18 # i dont know 05.41.31 # lua is a scripting language, so no it doesnt 05.41.43 # well, i should say interpreted 05.42.23 # lol lots of scripting languages need compiling. 05.43.06 # Whee on a less nerdy topic. 05.43.19 # anyone see Flags of Our Fathers? 05.45.10 # DarkSoul: This is a heavy on-topic channel. 05.45.48 # okay then. 05.46.04 # then back to the nerdy chat. 05.46.15 # rockbox writen in all C? 05.46.25 # C, and various assembly languages by hardware. 05.47.27 # guessing it gets a little annoying when you have to code the same thing for like 20 different times for each mp3 player 05.48.16 # I don't think the same thing has ever been coded more than 4 times, so far. 05.48.26 # make it 1 big file with a million and a half IF statements to piss everyone. 05.48.29 # A generic in C, and optimized ones in SH1, ARM, and M68K 05.48.36 # +off 05.49.15 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@host.91-92-172-170.airbites.bg) 05.53.50 # * JdGordon finnaly back 05.54.01 # Llorean: did you dump your partion a few times? 05.55.10 # * JdGordon reads his email 05.55.11 # JdGordon: Yes, I sent you an email. There's definite corruption taking place, it eventually became unable to boot. 05.55.21 # The second email is the important one. 05.56.14 # the second doesnt have any attachments.. 05.56.50 # but even still those addresses are all well and truly past the OF program section... thats into the settings section iirc 05.57.07 # I'll experiment more tonight when I get mine back from my brother 05.57.17 # JdGordon: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2007-03/att-0064/diff.txt 05.57.43 # There's a definite pattern to the modified bits, and they're the only place that was different, and the OF wasn't booting anymore, and the CRC32 check was getting a different number after the values there changed. 05.58.25 # the dumping code was barry's... not mine... 05.58.49 # Ah well. 05.58.56 # The bootloader was made for me by you. :-P 05.59.02 # 007810E0 | 01 | 007810E0 | 00 | is the database rebuild which we know about... 05.59.27 # The first change was just the five bytes (that one, and the next four listed), and the OF still booted. 05.59.33 # It booted fine several times, with the CRC staying the same 05.59.45 # Then the CRC changed, the OF stopped booting, and I got the dump that had the remainder of the bytes changed. 06.00.32 # yeah, all those addresses are in the NVPARAMS section, which shouldnt affect the checksum at all 06.01.47 # Odd. 06.02.18 # But when those values changed like that, the OF no longer booted, so there's something wrong there anyway. 06.03.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.04.40 # yeah.. hmm :p 06.06.47 # yay :) found my sansa... I can get some debugging happening 06.09.27 # Llorean: what program are you using for the diff? 06.11.13 Quit wrobbie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.12.30 # * JdGordon wishes he dumping was faster :p 06.12.45 # JdGordon: I have a program called HexCmp which is good for quick visual comparison of two binary files. 06.13.52 # windows program... I thought that output was to the console :p 06.14.06 # Sorry. :) 06.14.36 # how do i move the curson in the vkeyboard? 06.17.10 # Hrm, anyone know of a good linux cuesheet splitter? 06.17.48 # what exactly is a cuesheet splitter? 06.18.23 # Takes a single audio file, along with a cuesheet, and splits into several tracks based on the cuesheet. 06.19.01 # rockbox has cuesheet support now.. so there is no need for this... 06.19.48 # Indeed, but I still am looking for one. 06.20.11 # nifty. Sounds usefull. 06.21.12 # Llorean: it looks like is the OF corrupting it and not us... 06.21.19 # The OF is corrupting itself? 06.22.17 # I did 3 dumps without going into the OF and didnt get a crc error... first boot after going into OF it failed 06.23.09 # You had it doing CRC checks on the OF while still booting Rockbox? 06.24.02 # it ignores it.. but still checks... I saw that the crc was correct 06.24.15 # That's not the Rockbox CRC? 06.24.35 # the crc rockbox calculates for the OF 06.24.56 # I just didn't know you could see the OF CRC except when booting the OF. 06.26.13 # hmm? yeah, thats when its checked 06.26.19 # * JdGordon might be confusled 06.26.43 # Then how did you manage to check the OF CRC without booting the OF? 06.27.03 # i did boot it... I then dumped it staright after... 06.27.22 # I may be wrong... rockbox may be writing data to the 78xxxx section... 06.27.39 # no... its not.. its definatly the OF 06.27.47 # rockbox sure is getting pretty. 06.27.56 # What I'm saying, is you said you booted Rockbox fine several times with the OF CRC being fine, but how did you check the OF CRC without booting the OF? You said the first OF boot had a bad CRC. 06.28.06 # I'm confused about what exactly you tested. 06.28.15 # ah, yes.. your right... 06.28.22 # i dont know :p 06.28.31 # I might be doing this all wrong.. 06.29.21 # Heh 06.29.44 # I don't know, something's changing some data somewhere. At least we've got that much. 06.30.07 # Though the CRC shouldn't be changing from that data, you said. 06.32.27 # time for a new bootloader.... now we will be able to see the checksum without loading the of 06.34.47 Join advcomp2019 [0] (n=advcomp2@66.172.231.81) 06.36.29 Join qwm [0] (n=qwm@h162n1fls34o1010.telia.com) 06.37.06 # Can someone explain to me a little clearer why the R version is not supported yet of the Sandisk Sansa e200 series? 06.37.28 # the changed something which we havnt figured out yet... or something like that :p 06.38.00 Join Aikon_ [0] (n=root@dslb-084-058-214-146.pools.arcor-ip.net) 06.39.03 # advcomp2019: Their bootloader doesn't follow the same rules as the bootloader on the non-R series, and we haven't figured enough of them out yet. 06.39.04 # Llorean: ok, im convinced... its the OF doing it not us... no question... they write something naughty after a usb which is more than just the rebuild byte 06.40.14 # JdGordon: So the question is why it's a problem with Rockbox, but not when the RB loader isn't present, I suppose 06.40.29 Join printfXh4 [0] (n=pseudo@ppp210-102.lns2.bne1.internode.on.net) 06.41.23 # dunno... need to talk to linuxstb or barry more... It might be something to do with its placement in the partition... 06.41.55 # I was thinking that might be it too. It feels likely, at least. 06.42.28 # Im assuming of course that sansapatcher moves it where its not expecting to be? 06.42.55 # Yeah, sansapatcher moves it in a similar manner to how we me the iPod firmware, I believe. 06.43.17 # We could save the 780000 area to disk before booting the OF, then rewrite it next time rb loads 06.43.29 # Seems a bit... odd. 06.43.44 # There's 20mb of space, I think there's a very, very, very large chunk of empty space we could possibly move the OF too. 06.44.16 # Has any one got close to finding out the bootloader on the R series? 06.44.22 # It may be as simple as sneaking it into a different area. 06.44.49 # it still doesnt make sense that the crc changes tho 06.44.57 # advcomp2019: I don't know what you mean by "gotten close." Since we don't know where we're going, we won't know how close we are until we're there. 06.45.27 # JdGordon: Are you absolutely sure the CRC check isn't including that area for some reason? 06.45.34 # o ok 06.45.52 # no 06.46.24 Quit Aikon (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 06.48.43 # * JdGordon getting some more debug output in.... 06.50.37 Quit qwx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.51.20 Mode "#rockbox +o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 06.52.21 Join daniel1234 [0] (n=daniel_r@4.118-67-202.dart.iprimus.net.au) 06.52.54 Topic "Read this before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcGuidelines | gmail users who subscribe to rockbox mails: check your subscription status" by scorche (i=ScorchE@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 06.53.12 # feel free to edit it in any way you see fit 06.53.24 Mode "#rockbox -o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 06.55.51 # I am using the vmware image anyway I could just copy the zipped compiled build to my iriver 06.56.23 # is there anyway I could just copy the zipped build to my iriver through the vmware image? 06.57.54 # I'm not too sure if this is just my iPod/Computer acting up but... 06.58.14 # when ever i connect my ipod to the comp with rockbox active it doesnt detect it. 06.58.25 # i have to restart the ipod while its plugged in 06.58.44 # not too much of a problem really but just to let you know. 07.00.32 # I wished I read this before I got my Sandisk Sansa e200r then. 07.02.48 # just return it and get a regular sansa. 07.04.44 # I got mine at a CompUSA that is closing so I can't do that. 07.05.37 Part Llorean 07.06.16 # The e280r for $180. 07.08.09 Quit aliask ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/0000000000]") 07.11.00 # It was normally $200 but got a 10% discount since the store was closing 07.16.58 # I do not understand this. CompUSA does not sell the R series. 07.17.55 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 07.18.17 # Then how did I get a R series from CompUSA. 07.19.16 Quit daniel1234 ("Freedom Chat - Your Home Away From Home | http://www.freedomchat.org | tIRC script by the Freedom Chat Leets") 07.19.16 # lame 07.19.42 # sell it on ebay and recoup 140. Then buy a real sansa;) 07.19.43 # advcomp2019: how do you know they don't sell the R series? 07.20.08 # or just wait a while till they hack the r series 07.21.00 # I looked on CompUSA's and Sandisk's sites. 07.21.36 # that doesn't necessarily mean they don't sell it. a lot of times stores don't have everything they sell online and don't have everything in-store that they show online. 07.22.11 Join fejfighter [0] (n=jeffro21@C-59-101-17-47.hay.connect.net.au) 07.22.38 # that's true. Irritating that no store has their website and store integrated in real time yet. 07.22.59 # o ok 07.24.24 # It's actually kind of funny to see what kind of crap software some stores are still using. I used to work at staples and they still run all their stock stuff through an as/400 and a dos like command line app. 07.25.59 # and their POS system is 100% windows NT 07.26.00 # Plus the box did not have the r on it, but the player has a r, and the box was unopened too. 07.29.37 # lame. 07.30.12 # ship it to a devel that doesn't have an R series and see what happens;) 07.31.42 # So while I'm here is there any suggested plugins I should get for an iPod 30gb Video? 07.32.37 # billytwowilly: Why did you say that? 07.33.17 # DarkSoul: all plugins come with rockbox 07.33.52 # say what? about shipping it? Because you want it to work with rockbox. if you aren't a devel you can't do it. If a developer has it they can work on it. 07.34.18 # so if you can find a developer that will ship it back to you in a month or two or something then you win. 07.34.42 # o ok 07.35.10 # scorche: really? looks like a few from the pluginindex arnt on my ipod. 07.35.29 Join std|away [0] (n=std_deni@ws-80-68-252-11.rbc.ru) 07.35.45 # because likely those were renamed, not ready for svn, or deleted 07.36.03 # and they just simply havent been removed in the wiki 07.38.06 # okay. 07.38.21 # Oh yeah the pacman thing... 07.38.37 # just copy/paste what it says in the manual into a file... 07.38.56 # cuz it doesnt really make sence to have an md5 alone in a file, it seems odd for an emulator 07.41.03 Join perplexity [0] (n=joust@dxb-b18131.alshamil.net.ae) 07.41.24 # never mind 07.41.42 # didnt check the wiki aswell 07.44.28 # Another thing, is Rockbox going to let you play music while charging the Sansa thru the computer once it comes out for the R series? 07.49.42 # yes 07.52.32 # I meant to say play music on the Sansa while it is connected to the computer. 07.54.29 # not while its connected as a drive... but if tis just charging then yes 07.54.31 # I'm guessing that the battery icon where the battery constantly is filling means its charging and then it fills and stops 07.54.41 # it shuold 07.55.20 # Yeah reading the ipod manual it'll say that its charged for the original firmware 07.55.42 # but thats only 80% for addition power your supost to leave it plugged in for longer to get the best performance. 07.55.55 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 07.56.07 # i was wondering if rockbox had an icon after the filled battery 07.58.40 Quit advcomp2019 ("Leaving") 07.59.10 # well i'll be leaving 07.59.32 # its nice to see that theres a firmware that's actually activily being worked on 07.59.45 # *after* the filled battery? 07.59.58 # unlike another firmware i could mention *cough*ipodlinux*cough* 08.00.21 # Quote the Zack : 08.00.25 # [12:54] it shuold 08.00.25 # [12:55] Yeah reading the ipod manual it'll say that its charged for the original firmware 08.00.25 # [12:55] but thats only 80% for addition power your supost to leave it plugged in for longer to get the best performance. 08.00.25 DBUG Enqueued KICK DarkSoul 08.00.25 # [12:55] »» Joins[#rockbox] LinusN (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 08.00.25 # [12:56] i was wondering if rockbox had an icon after the filled battery 08.00.36 # oops 1 line too many 08.01.30 # morning LinusN, do you know anything about sansapatcher or the hidden partition layout? 08.01.31 # you mean to show that the battery is full? 08.01.42 # Yeah 08.01.46 # JdGordon: not a thing 08.01.50 # ok 08.01.56 # For Apple Firmware 08.01.57 Join bwbass [0] (n=brian@24.19.247.192) 08.02.13 # it says its full when theres still another 20% or so it changes. 08.02.37 # what says it's full? 08.02.56 # you mean that the apple firmware says it's full? 08.02.57 # The icon in the top right 08.03.15 # theres a changing and full icon for apple firmware in the top right hand corner 08.03.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.03.21 # that tells if the ipod is charging or not 08.04.00 # if you read the manual when it says with the icon that its done charging in reality it keeps changing, because theres another 20% still uncharged 08.04.23 # and in rockbox there is only the animation, which is hard to see when the battery gets nearly full 08.04.46 # theres 2 08.04.55 # 1 that has a battery filling up over and over 08.05.04 # then 1 with the battery staying at full. 08.05.14 # I was wondering if there was another one after 08.05.18 # i was told there wasnt. 08.05.50 # hmmm, are you talking about the wps? 08.06.22 # wps doesnt effect the default "Do not disconnect" 08.06.33 # nor does rockbox 08.06.43 # Yes it does. 08.06.51 # the rockbox is different then the normal 08.07.28 # no, it is still the Apple disk mode 08.07.47 # LinusN: Do you have an iriver equipped with wires for current measurement? 08.07.53 # but it is the Apple "Emergency" disk mode, which the regular firmware doesn't use 08.08.00 # amiconn: at home 08.08.28 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54b15f44.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.08.35 # I started a runtime test for verifying my ata sleep theory, but current measurement would be faster... 08.09.08 # amiconn: of course 08.09.13 # Yesterday I forgot that it's in fact simple to make the iriver not use its ata hardware poweroff 08.09.21 # Linus, it looks different, its grayscale, no red like normal and the icons are different, and the font is different 08.09.27 # its meant to look like the original 08.09.30 # but its not the same 08.09.34 # ...and then introduce the status read in ata_perform_sleep() 08.10.01 # Anywho 08.10.04 # like i was saying 08.10.05 # bye. 08.10.11 # DarkSoul: please listen to me, i am a developer of this firmware, and i own two ipods myself 08.10.26 # it *is* the apple emergency disk mode 08.10.26 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 08.10.26 # * JdGordon wonders what the heck the rockbox string s(and probably code) is doing where the OF should be :'( 08.10.45 # its not the original i dont know what the emergency looks like 08.10.57 # what ever its giving me i guess :P 08.11.04 Nick std|away is now known as noNickFound2 (n=std_deni@ws-80-68-252-11.rbc.ru) 08.11.12 Nick noNickFound2 is now known as noNickFound (n=std_deni@ws-80-68-252-11.rbc.ru) 08.11.20 Join EbErT [0] (n=EbErT@adsl-34-33-145.asm.bellsouth.net) 08.11.24 Quit noNickFound () 08.11.40 # the biggest difference before rockbox in look of the "Do not disconnect" screen -> 08.11.44 # DarkSoul: rockbox doesn't yet support the USB/charging mode, so we use the emergency mode instead 08.11.50 # Before : Big red cross sign thing. 08.12.01 # After : Small black sign. 08.12.12 # is this a bummer to you? 08.12.24 # No I was asking about the charging icons. 08.12.29 # then it got to the differences 08.12.30 # :P 08.12.43 # DarkSoul: again: rockbox doesn't yet support the USB/charging mode, so we use the apple emergency mode instead 08.13.01 # yeah, there are comprehensive talkers here 08.13.04 # Yeah i read, i was in the middle of typing something so i wanted to finish it ;D 08.13.07 # :-) 08.13.42 Join noNickFound [0] (n=std_deni@ws-80-68-252-11.rbc.ru) 08.14.00 # JdGordon: you mean the OF corruption thing? 08.14.07 # yeah 08.14.27 # Let me go out with a bang 08.14.29 # something is not right... and im going round in circles trying to find it :p 08.14.29 # Kick me! :D 08.15.37 # * DarkSoul badgers the bagder. 08.15.44 # damn im so original. 08.15.52 # * JdGordon wonders where the FUCK recovery mode went :'( 08.15.55 # * scorche thinks he should add harrassing ops in the topic link 08.16.16 # then again, it is against the freenode guidelines to keep op status 08.16.26 # Really? 08.16.27 # O.o 08.16.30 # * scorche coughs suggestively at Bagder 08.16.35 # They really want their bot to be used dont they. 08.16.53 # Built in bot adds with every abuse! :) 08.16.55 # ads* 08.17.00 Part bwbass 08.17.13 Mode "#rockbox +o LinusN " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 08.17.21 Mode "#rockbox -o Bagder " by LinusN (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 08.17.29 Mode "#rockbox -o LinusN " by LinusN (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 08.17.50 # LinusN: /cs op #rockbox -Bagder 08.17.51 # :o 08.17.51 # * LinusN flexes his muscles 08.17.52 # RAPE! 08.18.07 # scorche: oh 08.18.24 # Wow... 08.18.26 # [01:18] »» Error: Cannot Join #gentoo (you are banned +b) 08.18.41 # I never even joined but im banned apparently 08.18.46 # DarkSoul: you seem like a popular person 08.19.28 # They're just racist! 08.20.07 Join SteroidFrog [0] (n=matthew@124.181.140.151) 08.20.10 # * scorche takes pleasure in the fact that he taught LinusN soemthing today =) 08.20.11 # Psttt 08.20.15 # linus 08.20.21 # :-) 08.20.27 # //kick $me BYE! 08.20.34 # oops 08.20.39 # //kick # $me BYE! 08.21.07 # that is how i de-op myself too...that way, it doesnt log as a de-op in the IRC stats 08.21.08 # Now your supost to kick me.... 08.21.19 # DarkSoul: hush, you 08.21.43 # :( 08.21.58 # *sobs into a pillow* 08.22.06 Quit DarkSoul ("/suicide") 08.22.12 # bout time 08.22.18 # i wonder how old that guy was 08.22.19 # wth was that all about ? 08.22.50 # i see why he was banned at #gentoo :-) 08.22.53 # he wanted attention or something 08.23.34 # i am just happy i got a chance to flex my banhammer last night...havent used that for a while 08.24.05 # i was pretty amazed at how brazen the guy was... 08.24.06 Join std|denis [0] (n=Miranda@ws-80-68-252-11.rbc.ru) 08.24.35 # ooh, a reason to go read the logs! 08.24.39 # That was hillarious 08.24.45 # That was actually amazingly good. 08.24.51 # http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20070319.txt 08.24.51 # read till 07.49.40 08.25.06 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.25.13 # from 07:19:17 08.25.14 Quit SteroidFrog () 08.25.43 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 08.26.11 # the parser skims over the kick and ban messages, so you have to view raw 08.26.11 # * amiconn now has 3 targets laying side by side doing runtime tests 08.27.40 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.27.45 Part kaaloo 08.28.12 Join Xerion [0] (i=xerion@vhe-382201.sshn.net) 08.30.23 Part noNickFound 08.32.20 # scorche: nice ;) 08.33.39 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 08.39.58 # Control message (-110, Connection timed out) :'( 08.42.03 Join Shaid` [0] (i=shaid@203-214-15-161.dyn.iinet.net.au) 08.42.48 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@84-255-206-8.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) 08.45.52 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 08.49.34 Quit EbErT () 08.50.08 # LinusN: I had an idea how it might be possible to improve runtime on the archos fm recorder and v2. 08.50.28 # shoot 08.50.42 # Uuic we don't use ata poweroff on them even though the hardware allows it, because some voltage measurements don't work when ata power is off 08.50.46 # *Iiuc 08.51.03 # Bagder: ping? 08.51.20 # amiconn: you have a better memory than i do :-) 08.51.49 # But those voltage measurements don't happen often, so if we would set the disk to 'power on in standby', then we could enable power, measure, and disable again 08.52.08 # For an actual disk access we would have to send the spinup command after powering on 08.52.18 # worth a try... 08.52.24 # I can't verify my theory because I don't have an fm or v2 08.52.41 # oh, more work for me... thanks amiconn.. :-) 08.52.50 # hmpf 08.53.30 # I tried to get hold of an fm, but somehow missed the end of the ebay auction. It even came with 1 year warranty, and went fairly cheap :( 08.56.11 Join bluebrother [0] (i=LsDAp1mu@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 08.57.51 # /window help 08.58.47 # JdGordon: please have a look at FS#6863 08.59.02 # later..... busy... 08.59.13 # it's the problem I described yesterday and I found a way to have this perfectly reproducable 08.59.38 # and it's quite annoying when the player locks up frequently 09.01.04 # Of course it might be that the ata sleep fix also helps archoses without ata poweroff 09.02.10 # bluebrother: I had that 2nd one happen on my iPod, and because my screen is broken I had no idea what was going on. 09.02.25 Join austriancoder [0] (n=austrian@80.120.117.30) 09.02.42 Quit Shaid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.03.04 Join Shaid [0] (i=shaid@203-214-41-252.dyn.iinet.net.au) 09.04.30 # need to go now ... hopefully this will be fixed soon. It's really annoying 09.04.31 # bbo 09.04.48 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc3-rdng11-0-0-cust229.winn.cable.ntl.com) 09.05.30 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 09.07.10 Quit Shaid` (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 09.09.44 Join thewho [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-fd0cbb70d1922a07) 09.10.07 Join sikor_sxe [0] (n=sikor_sx@e180009162.adsl.alicedsl.de) 09.10.28 # hey, i'm using rockbox on sansa with great confidence 09.10.38 # but i wonder how to update the music database 09.10.40 # Are the precompiled binaries (Windows) of the rbutil available? Or does everyone have to build it from the source? 09.11.12 # thewho: A binary is on the RockboxUtility wiki page. 09.11.49 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan_a@217.23.173.156) 09.11.53 # JdGordon: You had questions about sansapatcher? 09.20.57 # hmm, clearly compiling a static binary for linux isn't as easy as adding "-static" to the makefile... 09.22.34 Quit Lynx_ (" Like VS.net's GUI? Then try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 09.23.16 Join Vyrus001 [0] (n=Vyrus001@adsl-69-231-36-107.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) 09.24.50 # GodEater: Let's hope the distros get 2.8 incorporated soon... 09.24.57 Join B4gder [0] (n=daniel@100.78.227.87.static.s-cy.siw.siwnet.net) 09.25.26 # linuxstb: I think a lot of them do - it's just mine which doesn't ;) 09.26.17 # I don't think Debian does either. 09.30.09 Join bun-bun [0] (n=bun@71-93-210-125.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com) 09.30.34 Quit Vyrus (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.30.37 # Any Ubuntu users here? Is wxwidgets 2.8 available to you? 09.31.10 # linuxstb: yes, now I see. Thanks for the reference. I was on that page but didn't find the binary since they are not listed in the "table of contents" at the top of the page. 09.31.27 # thewho: Feel free to add them... 09.31.31 # What libraries are needed to run rbutil? 09.31.51 # Will the standard windows environment be ok? 09.31.55 # It shouldn't need any external libraries 09.32.16 # linuxstb: yeah, 0x80000 is where is put the OF right? 09.32.35 # linuxstb: so everything is statically linked in (wx widgets)? 09.32.53 # B4gder: morning... 09.33.09 # guten morgen 09.33.16 # linuxstb: hehe: the page says "Two Screenshots of rbutil" and then three pictures follow :-) 09.33.22 # * B4gder tries his german impression 09.33.50 # JdGordon: 0x80000 contains a 512-byte (0x200 byte) header. Then the Rockbox bootloader MI4 image starts at 0x80200, then the OF MI4 image is written immediately after the bootloader MI4 image. 09.33.52 # * scorche would be interested to hear B4gder's american impression 09.34.15 # scorche: I'll save that for tomorrow ;-) 09.35.15 # ... ah, those are really two screenshots. But three windows. So I stand corrected. 09.37.17 # JdGordon: Which part of the firmware partition is the OF modifying? 09.38.13 # not sure... :( llorean and I had some fun dumping the partition today, but I didnt see anything strange.. its always well past 7800000 iirc 09.39.30 Join himitsu [0] (n=himitsu@203.205.119.84) 09.39.32 # 0x780000 is 125MB into the 20MB partition... 09.39.40 # ^0x7800000 I mean 09.40.02 # maybe one too many o's then 09.40.13 Quit bospaadje (Remote closed the connection) 09.40.42 Join bospaadje [0] (n=bospaadj@ip82-139-84-12.lijbrandt.net) 09.40.55 # anyway, We cant undertstand why the checksum would change.. unless our crc32 implementation is wrong, or not being initialised correctly? 09.41.02 # It is more than 0x80000 + 0x200 + (bootloader MI4 length) + (OF MI4 length) ? 09.41.24 # 00783908 09.42.01 # Is this with the SVN bootloader or the version modified to do USB detection? 09.42.03 # which is in the nv settings section and shouldnt affect the crc at all ? 09.42.28 # the 2nd... possibly with svn also tho 09.42.40 # have you got crc checking working 100% there? 09.42.48 # Barry said yesterday that he thinks the USB controller may be overwriting some parts of RAM. 09.42.59 # I don't have a Sansa... 09.43.07 # oh 09.43.39 # we need to buy linuxstb a sansa! 09.43.54 # It's OK, I have far too many DAPs... 09.43.57 # haha 09.44.18 # hey, you could catch in a bit on linusn's collection 09.44.26 # sif thats even possible! 09.44.40 # But then I'll have a to-do list the size of Linus's as well... 09.44.52 # :-) 09.45.09 # ;-) 09.45.43 # linuxstb: but im right that changes to that section of the disk shouldnt effect the crc at all? 09.45.58 # I've put a patch together that removes all the compiler warnings for rbutil on linux - could someone test it on Mac / Windows ? 09.46.09 # JdGordon: Yes, if that section is > than the sum I stated above. 09.47.11 # Do you ever get CRC errors when loading the OF from a file, instead of the firmware partition? 09.47.42 # FS #6865 if anyone is interested 09.47.48 # I dont tihnk so 09.48.04 # GodEater: I was just about to ask you to post it to flyspray.... I'll try and test it on a Mac later. 09.48.16 # linuxstb: thank you 09.48.57 # linuxstb: llorearn tried a build which ignored the crc check and after a few boots it corrupted his OF, so we were thinking that maybe the OF doesnt like being run from wherever it is.. does that seem possible? 09.49.11 # the only one I'm worried about is the warning in wizard_pages.cpp which is a warning about control getting to the end of a non-void function. I've made an assumption about what the default return should be - but I could be wrong. 09.49.42 # GodEater: there is no such thing as a default return value 09.51.00 Join Entasis [0] (n=Jarred@121.45.176.19) 09.51.54 Quit thewho ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 09.53.37 # LinusN: I meant, what it should return if the check in the function isn't entered 09.53.42 # JdGordon: Have you calculated that sum? 09.53.50 Join tucoz [0] (n=tucoz@rockbox/staff/tucoz) 09.53.51 # That should tell you if it's safe or not. 09.54.01 # GodEater: aha 09.54.09 # linuxstb, ubuntu feisty lists wxwidgets 2.8 in the repos 09.54.18 # linuxstb: which sum? 09.54.25 # and that will be out next month 09.54.32 # JdGordon: Read the logs about 15 minutes ago 09.54.39 # there's a check in there which the function always assumes is passed, and that's the only place there's a return statement. There should be one outside that too to shut the compiler up. 09.55.40 # tucoz: Thanks. So it's not in the current distribution? 09.55.57 # no. I do not think so 09.55.59 # ah.. no.... but thats about 7.8MB in which should be well past both of the loaders... 09.56.12 # the OF is 5mb and rb is 55kb.... 09.56.54 # * JdGordon 's sansa isnt in a working state atm so cant check properly :'( 09.56.58 Join Stefan [0] (n=chatzill@89.136.181.105) 09.57.28 # linuxstb, it might be backported to the current distribution though 09.57.40 # hello again 09.58.21 # hi 09.58.29 # which of rockbox's lossy codec have a best performance? 09.58.39 # Define "best" 09.58.55 # i have another question: how do i use bitmaps in plugins? 09.59.25 # Stefan: there are numerous examples, try one of the games 09.59.46 # Stefan: You put them in apps/plugins/bitmaps/native/ and add them to apps/plugins/bitmaps/native/SOURCES. As B4gder said, look at the games for examples. 09.59.50 # std|denis: and it depends a little on what target 09.59.57 # linuxstb,on http://packages.ubuntu.com/ only 2.6 is listed for edgy 10.00.12 # and it is not backported according to that page 10.00.29 # * GodEater will try to get a statically linked version working today in that case 10.00.38 # tucoz: OK, thanks. Not good news though... 10.00.50 # linuxstb: and how do i load them into my plugin, and for 65k color display how should i save the bitmaps? 10.01.13 # linuxstb: mmm.. i mean: which audio format should i use to get longest playback time 10.01.41 # i have an idea of plugin - audio book with scrolling text. it's smth like karaoke 10.01.56 Join wrobbie [0] (n=rob@cm74.kappa84.maxonline.com.sg) 10.02.17 # how do i load them into my plugin, and for 65k color display how should i save the bitmaps? 10.02.33 # Stefan: Look at the other plugins for examples. The bitmaps need to be .bmp files, and you should save them as 24-bit. 10.02.44 # great, thanx 10.02.46 Quit lostnihilist (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.02.51 # bbye 10.02.54 # std|denis: As B4gder said, it depends on which player you have. 10.03.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.03.21 # iriver ihp-1xx for example 10.03.49 # hello, i wonder how to update the music database 10.04.29 # i put music on my sansa and it is recognized by the original firmware, however it does not show up in rockbox database 10.04.31 # std|denis: I doubt there is much difference between the various formats - the biggest factor would be bitrate. Lower bitrates mean less disk reading, so longer battery lifetime. So choose a codec that sounds good at low bitrates to your ears. 10.04.51 # sikor_sxe: What format is the music? MP3, WMA, ... 10.05.02 # mp3 10.05.15 # And you've followed the instructions in the manual for using the database? 10.05.30 # linuxstb: thanx 10.06.12 # linuxstb: uhm, to be honest: no 10.06.25 # when rockbox was started, it just worked 10.09.14 # hmm 10.09.18 # that is a blurb we can use: 'when rockbox was started, it just worked' :-D 10.09.21 # how do i get to the database menu? 10.09.28 # sikor_sxe: There is an option "update now" somewhere in the settings menus. You probably need to run that. Or enable the options the enable database auto-updating. 10.09.33 # jhMikeS: Thanks for the playback swap work. 10.09.49 # sikor_sxe: It will be somewhere under Settings. 10.09.50 Join _Amblin [0] (n=Osiris@udp124072uds.hawaiiantel.net) 10.09.50 # ahh got it 10.09.52 # damn 10.10.25 # didn't spot that 10.10.46 # Why oh why don't we have svn revision property changes enabled? I really want to change that commit message that came about from lack of sleep and too much cold medicine. :P 10.11.00 # Mmm, cold medicine..... 10.11.21 Quit oKtosiTe (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.11.21 # Which bit is wrong... flattening? 10.11.22 # <_Amblin> < 100k, removing 10.12.37 # I don't have a player of any kind at the moment, but it's one job I was meaning to do some time. 10.13.22 # It had to be done. Too much wasted memory. 10.14.04 # huh! 10.14.30 # now *only* my new mp3s show in the database 10.14.42 # the old ones don't 10.14.51 # Next thing that has to go is the malloc buffer. amiconn suggested using the remaining space in the codec buffer but I'm wondering if that's always enough even if we have a functioning free 10.14.51 # sikor_sxe: Force an initialization 10.15.02 Quit Stefan ("Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.10/2007021601]") 10.16.16 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=lostnihi@ppp-68-251-35-5.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) 10.16.35 # jhMikeS: I think it would be a good idea to combine the codec buffer with the codec malloc buffer, but I don't know how much we could decrease the combined size by... 10.16.42 # jhMikeS: IMHO, one thing for the future should be the total seperation of buffering (as in disk -> buffer) and playback (buffer->PCM). These should be able to run freely and much more simply. 10.16.54 # pondlife: thanks, works now 10.17.43 # linuxstb: surely the overhead could be cut to less than the current 512KB :) Maybe the codec buffer would only need to be say 100KB larger 10.18.54 # jhMikeS: Yes, I'm sure it can be less, but I'm just saying I don't know by how much... Lear may be a good person to talk to, as he's the main person working on both vorbis and AAC, which I think are the most memory-hungry codecs. 10.19.16 # IIRC he was after more memory for vorbis :( 10.20.02 # Was that just for files encoded with very old encoders? 10.20.09 # well, vorbis runs on an iFP with only a 100K malloc buffer but it has a simple free mechanism which is basically a stack. not sure if it still overflows 10.20.18 Part tucoz 10.20.51 # I don't know much if anything, but there are some vorbis file types we don't currently support because they would need more memory. 10.20.56 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@host-144-219.ch.le.ac.uk) 10.21.04 # And there may have been a plan to add this support 10.21.39 # there's more than one vorbis filetype ? 10.21.57 # pondlife: and what does "total separation" mean? thinking about this tells me the "layers" are rather thin at that 10.22.13 # GodEater: IIRC, it's just different versions of the encoder generated files with different memory requirements to decode. 10.22.28 # It may have improved but when I last looked, there were many dependencies between the buffering and playback parts. 10.23.02 # The buffering shared a thread and so had to have a way to abort and resume from the right place.... it could be much simpler. 10.23.05 # Anyone know if any of the students applying to the SoC expressed an interest in the playback engine? 10.23.14 # imo, worse dependencies are things with playlists and now cuesheets 10.23.40 # linuxstb: none of the two current applications do 10.24.02 # jhMikeS: Those are just common inputs to the buffering and playback threads, no? 10.24.04 # pondlife: buffer shars a thread with what? you mean the audio thread doing it? 10.24.12 Join Ribs [0] (n=ribs@91.84.8.218) 10.24.23 # linuxstb: does ipodpatcher allow you to install on a 2nd Gen Nano ? 10.24.42 # jhMikeS: I've not looked for months, but doesn't the buffering take place on the UI thread? 10.24.48 # no 10.24.53 # * linuxstb wonders what "interested in removing the current wps display system and creating one which allows for customization of the playing screen," means... 10.24.53 # Which thread then? 10.25.00 # audio 10.25.28 # linuxstb: deleting the current wps code, sitting on it for a couple of months, and then resubmitting it for an easy $4500 ? 10.25.32 # audio also deals with playback/de-buffering, right? 10.25.39 # yes 10.25.39 # GodEater: No, the firmware layout is very slightly different. ipodpatcher shouldn't detect the 2nd gen Nano as a ipod. 10.25.48 # linuxstb: register as a mentor and you can participate in commenting the applications ;-) 10.25.49 # no, codec thrad de-buffers 10.25.56 # OK. 10.26.03 # linuxstb: in that case I've no clue how the genius in the apple forum has managed to "install rockbox" on his 2nd gen. 10.26.16 # audio thread writes to it, codec thread reads from it 10.26.39 # Well there's some shared variables that are likely causing the current problems when the track detail buffers wrap. 10.27.04 # It's really not simple at the moment - the interfaces need to be tighter. 10.27.10 # probably, it should be cleanly queued 10.27.18 # GodEater: maybe confusion with 2GB and 2nd gen? 10.27.37 # Basically, I mean playback.c should be split into audio and codec halves, with no shared vars. 10.27.52 # B4gder: What are the start and end dates of the SoC period? 10.28.06 # I don't know really 10.28.22 # mmmm...some will be cause they're using the same buffer :) 10.28.22 # linuxstb: he really says "2nd gen" one time 10.28.45 # markun: Yes, but he also says "Rockbox worked for 5 minutes" - one of the two is wrong... 10.28.51 # yes :) 10.29.19 Join mattzz [0] (i=c19fe442@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e8573860b855585a) 10.30.27 # linuxstb: well his first post explicitly says "2nd gen" 10.30.37 # Every iteration of cleanup brings it closer to. Really don't think it needs a scratch rewrite. At least revisions are testable incrementally that way. 10.31.02 # GodEater: People have also confused Nano and Mini in the past... 10.31.13 # true 10.31.39 # Just point him to the "my install went wrong" thread and see what he says... 10.31.59 # It should be ready to add using multiple voice codecs and removing the need to reboot when a voice file is first added. 10.32.25 # linuxstb: done 10.33.53 # Even now I can see it shouldn't be too tricky to clean up buffering and put metadata there. 10.36.02 # March 24: Student application deadline 10.36.11 # 4 days to go 10.44.17 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.46.10 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b9a4a.ucd.ie) 10.46.46 # Morning all! Which header file has the prototype for memcpy? I've got an unflickering LCD driver for the Sansa nearly ready to go... 10.47.44 # dan_a: isnt it somewhere in the common directory? 10.47.54 Join phoenix16 [0] (n=phoenix1@p54a5e6c1.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.48.18 # Hello there. 10.48.52 # mattzz: The code is, but I can't find the .h to include 10.48.57 # Hi phoenix16 10.49.01 # pondlife: think it's time to move codec management elsewhere? codecs.c? 10.50.14 # hi dan_a 10.50.27 # Hi barrywardell 10.50.34 # did you see toni1's solution for the other lcd problem? 10.51.03 # it was crashing if you did an lcd_init() while the dma was in progress 10.51.28 # I saw that - I'm planning to include those changes in my update 10.51.28 # he put a patch up in the tracker 10.51.32 # grea 10.51.33 # t 10.51.57 # (although I think they should be moved inside lcd_init_device) 10.52.08 # yes, I agree with that 10.52.10 # Quick question: I didn't notice it in the plugins, but have I overlooked an .avi player for rockbox? 10.52.29 # phoenix16: there is no avi player. rockbox only plays mpeg2 files 10.52.30 # jhMikeS: Yes, I guess so. 10.53.19 # I think the important thing is to make the buffering and un-buffering independent just to simplify interactions there. 10.53.21 # Ah buggery. Lots of coverting to be done then... 10.53.30 # dan_a: from what I see the prototype of memcp is also in common/memcpy.c 10.54.18 # barrywardell: did you see the patch I put submitted to the tracker regarding sansa battery handling? 10.54.50 # mattzz: According to Google, it looks like it should be in string.h 10.55.25 # mattzz: no, i'll have a look 10.57.11 # firmware/include/string.h 10.57.17 # firmware/include/string.h 10.57.33 # dan_a: oops. 10.58.31 # pondlife: and by unbuffering you mean reading the buffer, right? 10.59.41 # we have 3 applications now 11.00.10 # if you're a mentor, consider going there and submit your interest 11.00.22 # hmm - I think I need a static version of wxWindows in order to get a statically linked rbutil. The trouble is I see no option in wxGTK for building it statically =/ 11.00.46 # --disable-shared (with configure) 11.01.39 Quit _Amblin (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.02.19 # haha - I was looking for --enable-static ! 11.02.30 # phoenix16: Read this page before converting videos - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer 11.02.45 # GodEater: there's such a one too generally 11.02.59 # but a libtool project typically builds both shared and static 11.03.49 Quit pondlife (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.03.58 # GodEater: Maybe adding "-static" to the wx-config calls in the Makefile will help. 11.04.13 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc3-rdng11-0-0-cust229.winn.cable.ntl.com) 11.04.25 # jhMikeS: Sorry, Miranda keeps dying on me 11.04.50 # Yes, I mean seperating the buffer filling and reading more. 11.04.54 # pondlife: ok 11.05.24 # In particular the current buffer filling code could be simplified, before we worry about metadata... 11.05.41 # They do have to share variables though but I'm not sure if you mean having a "dumb" buffer layer or something 11.05.45 # linuxstb: I tried that - all I got was a massive screenful of linker errors due to missing symbols 11.06.08 Quit marc (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.06.18 # I mean to expose a minimal set of get_x routines from the buffering half. 11.06.35 Join marc| [0] (n=marc@244.185.79.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 11.06.44 # B4gder: I tried a ./configure --help | grep static and no such option showed up - I didn't think to look for it's opposite 11.06.45 # There's no need for the playback part to update the current buffering details. 11.08.01 # refer me something in particular as an example of what you mean, just one function 11.08.24 # I don't have one, but it should be like that, no? 11.08.31 # playback is a monolith. 11.08.48 # I've not had time to look at the code in months really. 11.09.24 # Do you agree this is a sensible way to break it down and simplify? 11.09.29 # seeing as the buffer is a single data structure, I can't see total separation...just better abstraction. 11.09.39 # Yes, that's what I mean 11.10.16 Part phoenix16 11.10.55 Join Ribs2 [0] (n=ribs@91.84.8.218) 11.12.50 # GodEater: Do you have all the static (.a) libs for wx installed? (they are in /usr/local/lib/ for me). I have 11 different libwx*.a files 11.12.58 # seems things have happened over at zune-linux... 11.13.07 # New logo? 11.13.40 # Ah, "Zune Linux is now out of preliminary planning and has moved into Pre-Alpha development." 11.13.44 # lol 11.13.45 # haha 11.13.46 # Pre-Alpha 11.13.49 # and some people are no longer with them 11.14.08 Quit sikor_sxe (Remote closed the connection) 11.14.10 # Maybe the PayPal donations stopped coming? 11.14.13 # pre-alpha is short for it is now time to design a new set of images for the web site 11.14.14 # i wonder if those happen to be those who were already done with the port 11.14.27 # * linuxstb feels zune-linux isn't being taken seriously... 11.14.40 # paypal links are gone too, yes 11.14.48 Join Stefan [0] (n=chatzill@89.136.181.105) 11.15.23 # "global release party. (TBA) " 11.15.23 # hello again 11.15.31 # back with my bitmap problem 11.15.58 # i couldn't figure out how i should use external bitmaps 11.16.05 # so the whole ipl, zl, xxxplayerlinux thing requires entirely separate projects for each? 11.16.29 # in jeweles the only thing i've found about bitmaps is "extern const fb_data jewels[];" 11.16.44 # Well, IPL is a uclinux kernel, and the Zune could run full linux... 11.17.04 # Stefan: Did you look in the apps/plugins/bitmaps/native directory? 11.17.10 # yes 11.17.12 # The Zune/Gigabeat S could probabaly do more than the desktop that I use for email 11.17.46 # and afaiu, the ipl people don't play "nice" with the linux system 11.17.50 # mattzz: how well do your improved battery levels work? 11.17.59 # ie, they access hw from userspace apps 11.18.04 # ie. how well do they match what the OF reports? 11.18.15 # B4gder: well, it _is_ uclinux :> 11.18.34 # http://zune-linux.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=2 11.18.43 # yes sure, I'm only mentioning why going ipl => full linux will be a problem 11.19.50 # so they claim to consider "ipod Linux" 11.20.00 # as "a distro" 11.20.22 # these guys never did embedded linux I can tell 11.20.27 # I guess hw abstraction pays off :P 11.20.46 # oh no....apparently, sourceforge is holding them up with development because they dont have the tools that are there that the desperately need (quote) 11.21.04 Quit Ribs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.21.08 # same on them fro taking so long to accept their project =P 11.21.12 # shame even 11.21.31 # haaggaa 11.21.34 # oh boy 11.21.37 # yeah, we all know what sourceforge does to productivity ;-P 11.22.03 # so, how do i use external bmps 11.22.05 # ? 11.22.11 # oh well, at least the vastly overkill hardware makes it slightly more possible they'll ever be done 11.22.21 # i can't see these people sitting down and optimising codecs 11.22.32 # haha 11.22.36 # "Unfortunately a lot of hackers have given up because *some* people have been claiming they already have Linux running on the Zune, on BBSs and in public interviews." 11.22.41 # preglow: you're telling me you don't see the fun dsp potenial in overkill hardware? :) 11.23.01 # it seems the thread I once commented on is gone? 11.23.08 # jhMikeS: oh, indeed i do 11.23.16 # B4gder: whole forum seems to have been wiped and set up again 11.23.38 # too many nay-sayers in there, better wipe it 11.24.09 # this is entertaining 11.24.26 # if i had just kicked out two lying assholes, i'd also want to wipe my forum of their mess :> 11.24.43 # preglow: there's another downside to low latency besides the memory overhead, that being not being able to use the codecs buffer as working space...'less I missed something :P 11.24.54 # ...they even have a flame board just for flames... 11.25.04 Join nls [0] (n=nils@nl104-202-175.student.uu.se) 11.25.06 # you think I should post there? ;-P 11.25.34 # as bagder, or anonymous? =P 11.25.52 # jhMikeS: mp3 buffer? pcm buffer? what? 11.26.23 # and why dont you put your signature on our site like they do with mister "zune linux founder" over there? 11.26.24 # the codec's output buffer. things have to be packeted pretty finely 11.26.45 # ah, no, that won't be able to be used anymore, no 11.26.46 # hmm 11.26.52 # and that sucks quite badly, as a matter of fact 11.27.02 # yes 11.27.46 # we could always copy to an iram buffer before dsp if it's going to do a sufficient number of passes over it 11.27.54 # but just using what the codec spat out is easier indeed 11.28.16 # that's what I was thinking...memcpy is very efficient 11.28.55 # that'd also mean we need to use yet more iram for codecs :/ 11.29.14 # unless we could devise of some scheme to reuse the codec's output buffer.... 11.29.44 # some evil scheme that'd be too 11.30.13 # We already have the buffer in dsp.c to copy a packet to. I also need an iram stack cause another thread will be to be in the core. Perhaps some can be chipped away from the main stack and the dsp requirements can be kept low (using a single pointer to a struct for each stage). 11.31.02 # The codec will have long ago passed the data to a channel and will be decoding something else so I don't know there. 11.32.03 # i don't think dsp parameter passing is what'll choke stack usage anyway 11.32.05 # The thread should have no bearing on USB connections either 11.32.33 # I've got no need for a stack otherwise on a dsp thread 11.32.43 # especially not on arm :> 11.33.09 # no need for a stack? 11.33.16 # not much I hope 11.33.23 # you can make use of only scratch regs? 11.33.29 # barrywardell: sorry, was offline for a sec. Improved battery level handling works fine currently. 11.33.42 # rrr...probably not exclusively 11.33.45 # how does it compare to what the OF gives? 11.33.52 # but no, dsp wouldn't need a big stack, that's for sure 11.33.58 # barrywardell: I will do more measureing with battery_bench to improve the numbers 11.34.15 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@jadzia.ece.fr) 11.34.23 # barrywardell: I compared battery level indication between OF and rockbox and it looks OK so far 11.34.41 # B4gder: nice to see some people are actually interested in hacking the Zune: http://zune-linux.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=4 11.34.53 # and telling the imposters to stop delaying real progress :) 11.34.55 # cool. they look like reasonable values compared to the gigabeat at least 11.35.02 # On cf at the min, enough space for a pointer and to save registers...on arm, reg saving 11.36.31 # barrywardell: the first numbers are a linear curve what is not what I will expect from real measurements but it is a good starting point at least 11.36.33 # I think the main stack is a little on the big side and can give up a small % to dsp :) 11.36.58 # mattzz: so you just have the empty and full battery measurements actually done? 11.37.20 # and now have to do a battery-bench to get the in-between bits? 11.37.34 # barrywardell: yep, but with a perfectly wrong battery scale factor so I will re-do the measurements 11.37.52 Join Lachlan_ [0] (n=chatzill@203-206-53-81.dyn.iinet.net.au) 11.37.56 # I'll be counting the bytes when doing this. I wonder what the scheduler will suck off it. Wish I could also keep interrupts from using it. 11.38.04 # haha, ok 11.38.47 # barrywardell: yep, I was thinking about setting up a small wiki page to collect some real-life numbers because the fully charged voltages read out directly by the ADC are pretty interesting 11.38.54 # dan_a: how far off is your fix for the lcd driver? 11.39.21 # barrywardell: One last compile/test cycle away 11.39.23 # mattzz: yeah, sure. go for it! 11.39.38 # jhMikeS: well, you CAN keep interrupts from using it :> 11.40.23 # dan_a: OK. have you seen the work on sansapatcher? 11.40.31 # I don't think disabling them is even remotely realistic 11.41.16 # barrywardell: I've seen it, but I've not tested it yet. 11.41.25 # DMA cannot be disabled for long periods on coldfire or it dies 11.41.32 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 11.42.29 # Hence the reason for the IRQ shuffle. Anything that disabled DMA is very simple and quick. 11.44.01 # dan_a: it's almost ready for release. just two issues left, one of which you're hopefully about to fix :) 11.44.42 Quit fejfighter () 11.45.35 # barrywardell: Do you know why Toni used such a long delay in his patch? Was that calculated or just "a long time"? 11.45.54 # he didn't specify. 11.49.07 Join NickG [0] (i=551994f2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-064880241a7644e3) 11.49.45 # hi! 11.49.52 Quit Shaid (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.50.07 Nick Ribs2 is now known as Ribs (n=ribs@91.84.8.218) 11.50.11 # preglow: I mean, it's done just to coodinate threads with DMA interrupts and nothing else. When I first tried DMA at level 6, some tick tasks disabled it and recording would shut down with DMA errors. (Guess you get the point by now :) 11.50.37 Quit miepchen^schlaf ("Verlassend") 11.51.15 # barrywardell: Have you been able to replicate JdGordon's problems with the OF's CRC when stored in the firmware partition? 11.51.22 # where I can download full packages for dev RockBox in Linux? 11.51.47 # linuxstb: yes. did you see my email on the mailing list? 11.51.51 # NickG: You can't - just run the tools/rockboxdev.sh script to install them. 11.51.56 # barrywardell: Not yet... 11.52.01 # it only happens for me when usb is connected 11.52.14 # and it doesn't seem to be the partition that is being corrupted 11.52.17 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B97716.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.52.30 # it's whatever is loaded to ram 11.52.47 # barrywardell: OK, that was what I thought would be happening... 11.53.08 # I shoud downoad 5-7 packages? 11.53.12 # that's where my whole UDC_ENDPOINTLISTADDR theory came from 11.53.37 # we could maybe try avoiding it by running dr_controller_stop() the start of the bootloader 11.53.38 # NickG: you tried the docs? 11.53.53 # NickG: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers 11.54.12 # so hrm...LL is a very sensitive thing to implement...but so beneficial to have running. The DSP threads job would probably ential reading the each channel stream, processing a packet, then sending that to DMA. Anything sent to DMA would play out in full (no pausing it). 11.55.28 # jhMikeS: I haven't been following your LL work, but does it mean changing the PCM buffer to 32-bit and converting to 16-bit at the last moment? 11.55.29 # dan_a: shouldn't that new framebuffer be made static ? 11.55.29 # jhMikeS: i agree, it would make a lot of things easier 11.55.38 # anything remotely realtime is tricky to implement 11.56.00 # B4gder: Erm... yes, it should 11.56.04 # linuxstb: it sure does 11.56.37 Join Windows_X [0] (i=Windows_@61.7.128.217) 11.56.38 # jhMikeS: Then it could be time to test 24-bit output to the ipod DAC... 11.56.40 # Voice could just be made 16bit at the start and processed as so I think 11.56.46 # hi there 11.57.00 # I wonder if there's rockbox for Windows Mobile 11.57.04 # B4gder : yes 11.57.08 # It would rock the PDA community. 11.57.10 # Windows_X: no 11.57.25 # jhMikeS: Are you also implementing a separate PCM buffer for voice? 11.57.29 # I mean as for software not OS replacement 11.57.33 # LinusN: any suggestions regard a stack for that? I think a dedicated thead would be easiest. 11.57.50 # Windows_X: if sdl works on it, the rockbox simulator could run there 11.58.00 # jhMikeS: the thread idea sounds feasible 11.58.02 Quit NickG ("CGI:IRC") 11.58.22 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 11.58.29 # linuxstb: not as such really...I think a memory pool would be linked into channel streams 11.58.46 # b4gder: Looks like it's possible for SDL in wm5 11.59.04 # Windows_X: then there's nothing stopping you! 11.59.20 # The problem is i'm not experts in terms of programming. 11.59.24 # especially to C++ stuff 11.59.28 # I'm C# developer 11.59.40 # jhMikeS: What about handling different samplerates, is that part of this work, or even on your to-do list at all? 11.59.47 # nitpick: Rockbox is C, not C++ 11.59.48 # Windows_X: And Rockbox is C, not C++.. 11.59.53 # :-) 11.59.59 # Windows_X: but you won't find many wm5 users here, I think 12.00.06 # yeah 12.00.08 # * pondlife wishes it was c++ a bit.. 12.00.17 # but there's a lot of wm5 users compared to mp3 players 12.00.24 # really? 12.00.25 # pondlife: go wash your mouth 12.00.27 # o2 atom, dopod, etc. 12.00.32 # * preglow throws pondlife overboard 12.00.34 # * pondlife rinses with bleach 12.00.37 # linuxstb: depends on what's expected...I think samplerate switching would lead to horrible results when changing the hardware. 12.00.39 # in my world, pdas are dying 12.00.47 # I like crossfeed, a lot. 12.00.56 # And only rockbox is what I can find for portable device 12.00.57 # jhMikeS: oh? 12.01.00 # jhMikeS: Simply playing 48KHz at 48KHz if the DAC can handle it. 12.01.03 # (e.g.) 12.01.47 # But obviously there are problems with crossfeed - crossfeed would probably need to imply resampling everything. 12.01.54 # crossfade, yes 12.01.56 # That will be glitchy... 12.02.03 # Argh, yes, crossfade... 12.02.14 # uh huh :) 12.02.22 # I refer to crossfeed for emulating speakers environment to headphones 12.02.25 # Someone change the name of crossfeed and wipe it from my brain 12.02.28 # exactly when do you switch the samplerate? 12.02.31 Quit miepchen^schlaf ("Verlassend") 12.02.46 # B4gder: I still haven't been able to recover my Sansa from E200R-land 12.02.52 # or...disable it when two tracks differ (as an option) 12.02.56 # i'm all for changing the name of crossfeed, but i can't think of a better one 12.03.00 # jhMikeS: With crossfade enabled, you don't. Without crossfade, you switch between tracks. Sacrificing gapless in those cases is fine IMO. 12.03.08 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B97716.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.03.23 # dan_a: it's an e200r now? 12.03.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.03.34 # So no one developing for PDA right now? 12.03.41 # dan_a: grrrr, tried in a different box? 12.03.46 # preglow: Yes, I changed the bootloader and the firmware 12.03.46 # * B4gder goes to eat 12.03.50 # Windows_X: No 12.03.59 # dan_a: and you aren't able to revert? :/ 12.04.04 # linuxstb: you don't think not crossfading only when tracks differ in samplerate is good but otherwise leaving it alone ok? 12.04.35 # B4gder: Tried it in a different box, and tested e200tool on the Sansa that you sent me - it works fine on that one but not on mine 12.04.38 # jhMikeS: Yes, that would work. 12.05.09 # and say we have a 64k wav, but the hw only supports 44.1 and 88.2...what then? 12.05.13 # But maybe it would confuse the user if only some tracks crossfaded 12.06.03 # jhMikeS: 88.2 12.06.11 # jhMikeS: we never want to downsample unless we have no choice 12.06.20 # but i guess a quality setting might apply there 12.06.33 # hrm...32bit buffers and high samplerate...sure death 12.06.38 # Windows_X: why do you want for rockbox on wm platform? 12.06.40 # using 44.1 khz in that case would mean loosing (inaudible...) quality 12.07.19 # the base pcm buffer length now is 3s...that same memory is only .75s like that 12.07.35 Nick std|denis is now known as std|away (n=Miranda@ws-80-68-252-11.rbc.ru) 12.07.57 # yeah, maybe my dog will notice :P 12.08.13 # goodness me wxWidgets takes a long time to build 12.09.00 Quit wrobbie (Connection timed out) 12.09.09 Quit Stefan (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.09.48 # linuxstb: what are the options currently for linux users wanting to use rbutil and that can't compile? Are there any deb/rpm type packages? 12.10.02 # Crossfading will still need a buffer as long as the overlap...hrm big mem 12.10.15 # Lachlan_: I'm trying to get a statically linked binary put together for that very purpose 12.10.31 # GodEater: Excellant 12.10.38 # are there any objections to me committing FS#6840? 12.10.40 # Lachlan_: it will be if I can get it to work ;) 12.11.17 # GodEater: I've got time to burn- I'm waiting on a 5.5G 80GB port=( 12.11.48 # Lachlan_: I was just going to ask LinusN something about the ATA / FAT32 code - but then I remembered I'd given that up for lent ;) 12.12.27 # GodEater: God is forgiveness- I'm sure he'll overlook this one 12.12.40 # barrywardell: go, go, fo :-) 12.12.45 # gah, go 12.12.55 # barrywardell: yeah, looks like a good idea - go for it 12.12.55 # And you'll be helping many of your fellow brothers- something he wholly endorses 12.13.26 # yeah but I don't want to drop off LinusN's christmas card list :) 12.14.06 # GodEater: dive back in. You know you want to;) 12.14.10 # actually, it will probably break the build table won't it? maybe I should wait until Bagder gets back from lunch 12.15.25 Quit My_Sic (Remote closed the connection) 12.15.40 # volunteers to test statically linked rbutil ? 12.18.15 Join iwantanimac [0] (n=iwantani@203-59-101-66.dyn.iinet.net.au) 12.18.25 # don't all rush at once 12.19.26 # for linux? 12.19.48 # yep 12.19.56 # although it's taking an age to attach to the wiki page =/ 12.19.58 # * jhMikeS hasn't even a clue what rbutil is supposed to do atm and he never reads the manual 12.20.09 # ah - there we go - it's at the bottom now 12.20.22 # jhMikeS: it's the all in one rockbox installer 12.20.24 # jhMikeS: it's not mentioned in the manual at all 12.20.27 # ah 12.20.58 # something I've never needed...not hands-on enough 12.21.16 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 12.21.50 # Is it becoming required for initial setup? 12.22.10 # jhMikeS: no - it's an attempt to reduce the support required in the forums from the command-prompt challenged 12.22.21 # No, but it replaces all the other tools like fwpatcher, ipodpatcher etc. 12.22.59 # actually sounds reasonable to do instead of all the player specific programs to accomplish it. 12.23.49 # It also download files directly from rockbox.org. So e.g. you click on a button and it it will download the latest current build from the website and unzip it to your player. 12.23.55 Join ctaf [0] (n=ctaf@ram94-6-82-242-23-70.fbx.proxad.net) 12.25.02 # It surprises me that Linux users want GUIs though... For me, the whole point of Linux is the powerful command-line. 12.25.22 # Or not getting virri from pr0n? 12.26.06 # linuxstb: that's always been the case for me too - but a lot of people are coming to linux for the eye candy now =/ 12.26.19 # * GodEater blames ubuntu for being too easy to install 12.26.46 # * nls uses ubuntu but has zero eye candy :-) 12.26.58 # * jhMikeS like's pretty gui stuff 12.27.13 # * GodEater is a complete hypocrite too - since he installed Beryl yesterday to wow his colleagues 12.27.19 # *spent several weeks screwing around with ubuntu in order to install it 12.28.15 # Lachlan_: well can you try the rbutil binary then please ? 12.28.20 # and at least see if it runs ? 12.28.25 # Does Beryl actually look that good? All videos I've seen of it have been unimpressive 12.28.39 # I'de love to but I'm in a windows machine at the moment 12.28.41 # GodEater: I get "error while loading shared libraries: libexpat.so.0..." 12.28.45 Quit Windows_X () 12.28.50 # I'll be able to test for you tomorrow night though 12.29.02 # barrywardell: crap. okay - I'll look at it some more. 12.31.16 # ldd seems to still list a load of libraries - although wxGTK isn't there now. 12.34.36 # ...though I saw Windows Vista on a friend's laptop and that is done to the point of being outright disgusting...and so overly "dummy proofed" it's hardly useable 12.35.55 # one nag about something after another trying to explain every action 12.36.22 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p549678E2.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.36.54 # * preglow wonders if anyone ever made an open source aatrac codec 12.39.54 # preglow: I've never seen one... 12.40.15 # oh this is hopeless - gentoo is NOT designed to produce statically linked binaries - I think it'll have to be done by one of the debian crowd 12.40.32 # I guess there's no motivation as you can't rip atrac data from minidiscs (afaik). 12.40.37 # you can 12.40.46 # without decoding it? 12.40.56 # barrywardell: I have a manual update ready for your main-binary-inside-folder change, just tell me when to press enter :-) 12.41.02 # there's an old pro-unit that did allow you to, and there's been a md player that allows transfers for about a year now 12.41.07 # yes, without decoding, afaik 12.41.35 # nls: I'll commit it as soon as Bagder gets back from lunch so he can fix any problems that might arise with the build table 12.41.37 # I thought the new md players which allowed transfers was just PCM. 12.41.38 # the mz-rh1 should be able to do it 12.41.43 Nick std|away is now known as std|work (n=Miranda@ws-80-68-252-11.rbc.ru) 12.41.47 # * B4gder is back 12.42.02 # preglow: But I guess if it's not in ffmpeg, it doesn't exist... 12.42.11 # linuxstb: yeah 12.42.30 # * linuxstb has one atrac file as well - a realaudio webcast using atrac. 12.42.45 # i don't even think sony has an old-school atrac codec for computers 12.42.56 # just newer atrac formats 12.43.14 # B4gder: I'm going to commit FS#6840 unless you have any objections? do you think the build table will need to be adjusted? 12.44.07 # yeah, I'll need to adjust the scripts as they check for the binary after the build, to detect final-link problems 12.44.36 # * linuxstb waits for the "the latest zip files don't include rockbox.ipod" posts... 12.45.38 # so should I just go ahead and commit? or do you want to fix the scripts first? 12.46.12 # some people can hear atrac artifacts at as much as 292kbps... 12.46.17 # doesn't really sound like a complicated codec 12.47.07 # I've converted my E200 back from being an E200R 12.47.13 # yay 12.47.22 # what a relief 12.47.30 # barrywardell: just wait a sec 12.47.43 # B4gder: ok, just let me know when you're ready 12.47.52 # dan_a: any fanciness required? 12.48.32 # preglow: I had to increase E200_TIMEOUT in the e200tool source - JdGordon figured it out 12.49.28 # barrywardell: so I can have my rb in the root still? :) 12.49.51 # jhMikeS: Yes, but unless you change your bootloader, the one in .rockbox will take preference 12.50.36 # ok, custom bootloader...was hoping it would just do the opposite of now 12.51.44 # barrywardell: on second thoughts, I think it should work without modification since the current check is doen in the build tree and doesn't depend on the zip's layout 12.51.49 # jhMikeS: make a script that moves the file to root :-) 12.52.05 # so commit away and we shall see ;-) 12.52.18 # I believe amiconn had some objections but can't really comment on 12.52.20 # B4gder: does the same go for the size table? 12.52.33 # hm good q 12.53.30 # nls: it's just because it's very convenient to just drop the thing on a drive letter and not navigate it. But...just a shortcut would work too. 12.54.17 # Bagder: I'm soo close to getting this going... i can get recovery mode back but cant mount it :'( 12.54.50 # jhMikeS: jeps, but if we made it default to the one in root we would brake the insrallation for allusers that didn't delete the file in the root when they updated... 12.56.21 # yeah...I do understand that...but I'm still complaining...:P 12.56.41 # it will break the size table 12.57.13 # but it should be fairly easy to adapt in the same way the buildzip patch does it 12.57.23 # guess a good way to live with it will develop 12.58.24 # B4gder: so commit now? 12.58.44 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.58.45 # yeah, go ahead 12.59.10 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B97716.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.00.28 Join [1DB]Oconel [0] (n=Oconel@ADijon-256-1-116-44.w86-213.abo.wanadoo.fr) 13.00.33 # <[1DB]Oconel> Hi all ! 13.00.44 # welcome 13.01.05 # <[1DB]Oconel> I've got a small question about the dual boot for sansa e250 13.01.20 # <[1DB]Oconel> Fisrt, sorry for my bad english (i'm french :P) 13.01.25 # B4gder: Since recovering my Sansa, I don't have USB - any ideas? 13.01.30 # <[1DB]Oconel> Yes 13.01.33 # <[1DB]Oconel> it's normal 13.01.50 # dan_a: what do you mean, when running the OF? 13.01.53 # <[1DB]Oconel> rockbox on sansa don't have yet the usb driver 13.02.36 # <[1DB]Oconel> Try to put an old firmware 13.02.41 # B4gder: Yes - Linux will only see it as a SCSI disk in recovery mode, not in the OF - even without the Rockbox bootloader 13.02.46 # [1DB]Oconel: dan_a is perfectly aware of our limitations 13.03.10 # <[1DB]Oconel> ok 13.03.14 # dan_a: wow, never heard of that before and I can't explain it... 13.03.18 # [1DB]Oconel: I did some of the work to get the Sansa running Rockbox 13.03.31 # I'll try reinstalling the bootloader 13.03.33 # [1DB]Oconel: so what's the small question you have? 13.03.35 # <[1DB]Oconel> Oh ok :) 13.03.37 # dan_a: tried doing a full shutdown/restart ? 13.03.56 # sounds a bit desperate perhaps, but hey 13.03.59 # B4gder: Yes - it sounds similar to the problem that JdGordon is having 13.04.04 # <[1DB]Oconel> I would like to know how to setup the dual boot on sansa (rockbox+original) 13.04.16 # <[1DB]Oconel> someone can help me ? 13.04.20 # [1DB]Oconel: The install instructions explain it. 13.04.22 # [1DB]Oconel: and what's wrong with the SansaE200Install instrucitons? 13.04.43 # <[1DB]Oconel> I don't all understand :'( 13.04.49 # <[1DB]Oconel> my english is bad :( 13.05.39 Join basebull [0] (n=basebull@d57-75-226.home.cgocable.net) 13.06.18 Quit basebull (Client Quit) 13.06.40 # When I get into recovery mode dmesg says a few errors then "ubb: device 8 capacity nsec 0 bsize 512" 13.06.58 # would it be very bad to try dd'ing the mi4 to /dev/ubb ? 13.07.04 # <[1DB]Oconel> I arrived to put rockbox on my sansa, but I can't load the old firmware ? 13.07.37 # [1DB]Oconel: really, if you can't follow the instructions on the wiki page I don't think we can guide you any better 13.07.46 # and I think you're better off waiting for the install tool 13.08.06 # JdGordon: I wouldn't try that 13.08.25 # JdGordon: it needs to be stored in there using a fine FAT fs 13.08.31 # ok 13.09.04 # JdGordon: The "nsec 0" looks bad - assuming that indicates that the device has 0 sectors. 13.09.11 # [1DB]Oconel: maybe you can point out which step you didn't understand? 13.09.15 Join webguest16 [0] (i=d90a1a7e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9df1f3c36b829bd8) 13.09.42 # <[1DB]Oconel> I need to back to school 13.09.49 # <[1DB]Oconel> bye all and thx for your help :) 13.09.53 Quit [1DB]Oconel () 13.09.58 # :) 13.11.09 # nls: you can update the manual now :) 13.11.33 Quit webguest16 (Client Quit) 13.11.39 # JdGordon: a first step to getting a clue is to scan for the problem in the linux sources to see what it might be about 13.11.47 # barrywardell: :-) 13.11.58 # drivers/usb 13.12.06 Part iwantanimac 13.12.08 # B4gder: do you know if te write command writes to ram or the nand? 13.12.17 # to ram 13.12.33 # So we could put anything there and not really worry about it killing it any more? 13.12.48 # yes, I believe so 13.12.58 # e.g a modified rockbox which can write a correct bootloader to the disk? 13.13.12 # possibly, yes 13.13.25 # but I don't see how you'd have a better chance to get that to work 13.13.32 # than the actual BL that is made to do it 13.14.14 # becuase recovery mode doesnt seem to work... but if we could put the disk back the way it should be we could be ok 13.14.43 # perhaps the need for that extended timeout is a sign of something bad that is what prevents you from using recovery mode properly 13.15.57 # btw, the build times did decrease significantly with the new server added 13.18.00 Quit Lachlan_ ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/2007021917]") 13.18.44 # B4gder: I've solved my problem 13.18.56 # yay 13.19.01 # how did you do it? 13.19.07 # Erm.... 13.19.18 # confess to daddy now ;-) 13.19.24 # I switched the Sansa from MTP to MSC mode 13.19.29 # fucking woot :D 13.19.32 # i got it mounted 13.19.32 # hahaha 13.19.35 # * dan_a is suitably embarrassed 13.19.42 # JdGordon: and what did you do? 13.19.46 # Well done JdGordon! 13.19.57 # it magically worked on this comp again 13.20.08 # neato 13.20.17 # * aliask hates when things like that happen 13.20.39 # It's always gonna be in the back of my mind, somewhere. 13.21.16 # maybe not... 13.21.33 # Sorry, I bet my negativity did that :P 13.21.39 # unless I put the wrong mi4 on.. and I dont tihnk i did.. it didnt write the loader back :'( 13.22.25 # * barrywardell thinks he has found the crc problem with the bootloader 13.22.57 # wait a sec.... i have the OF usb screen :D 13.24.19 # * JdGordon is too scared to disconnect it 13.24.55 Join datachild [0] (i=krebb@linux.aeger.wind0ws.info) 13.30.50 # away 13.34.19 # ehh ... it seems that the exclusion of not moving ajbrec.ajz didn't work! At least when I look in the ondiofm.zip I find it in .rockbox! 13.35.38 # * B4gder checks... 13.36.10 # the rockbox mi4 isnt encrypted at all is it? If i strip the header it should be exectuablt code? 13.36.19 # JdGordon: yes 13.36.32 # well, executable as in the exception vectors are first 13.36.43 Quit aliask ("Wait, why am I still awake...?") 13.37.15 Join xenite [0] (n=xen@82.152.55.226) 13.37.21 # so how would I make something which I could use with recover so it starts running straight away? 13.37.57 # barrywardell: Was it the USB controller? 13.38.11 # pixelma: fixed 13.39.02 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 13.39.32 # B4gder: will that be in the next build round? 13.39.36 # yes 13.39.50 # ok 13.39.52 # uh, no the one after that 13.39.57 # barry got in between 13.40.30 # that's what I meant 13.40.46 # linuxstb: nope. not at all. it was my silly mistake :P 13.41.11 # excuse me once again - why could happen a '/'-symbol duplication in path ? 13.41.36 # std|work: can you elaborate? 13.41.56 # linuxstb: I think we now have almost all the bootloader problems solved 13.41.59 # * JdGordon is in the OF... unfortunalty running from ram tho 13.42.55 # * JdGordon thinks he's got it :D 13.43.48 # B4gder: i've just built rockboxui. ran it. and when i'm trying to run any plugin, i get an error message: "failed to load" with doubled slash symbol in path 13.44.35 # std|work: run 'make install' first, then run the sim again 13.45.21 # the double slash is just a very minor problem that doesn't affect anything 13.46.12 # * JdGordon is back in buisness :D 13.46.26 # Bagder: What happened to the size table? 13.46.34 # hell yeah :D 13.46.54 # that was a scary few hours :p 13.46.55 # damn. i've felt that i've missed somthing :) thanx. sorry for that kind of dullness 13.47.02 # JdGordon: does that mean you're ready to test the newest bootloader? ;) 13.47.07 # amiconn: the same flaw is in buildzip, should work now 13.47.07 # anyone know the package name in debian for the kernel source tree ? 13.47.25 # nls: The ipod bootloader install instructions also refer to rockbox.ipod being in the root 13.47.35 # I guess I should write this up... 13.48.29 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@91.84.80.219) 13.48.44 # barrywardell: Ah, just read your commit :) 13.49.09 Join wLLm [0] (n=w1ll14m@84-104-81-208.cable.quicknet.nl) 13.49.27 # yep, silly mistake. the silliest part is that i fixed it before too but forgot to commit the change! 13.50.37 # linuxstb: I've updated the bootloader here: http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/sansapatcher/PP5022.mi4 if you wanna make some new sansapatcher binaries for testing... 13.51.17 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 13.53.26 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484bf3e.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 13.53.38 # * JdGordon isnt quite back working yet.... no OF! 13.54.23 # * barrywardell thanks Bagder for fixing buildzip.pl 13.54.23 # size table back 13.55.07 # B4gder: Does \z mean the same as $ in regex? 13.55.12 # yes 13.55.41 # you can in fact use $ too 13.55.48 # but in perl it gets a bit confusing 13.57.22 Quit SirFunk (Connection timed out) 13.58.46 Quit w1ll14m (Connection timed out) 14.00.25 # nothing in perl is confusing! 14.00.43 # haha 14.00.53 # barrywardell: haha serious? 14.01.15 # yep 14.01.22 # * barrywardell is embarassed 14.01.30 # so why did it work sometimes and fail others? 14.01.32 # linuxstb: Fixed, ith was using a hardcoded name instead of \firmwarefilename, that's why I didn't find it before... 14.01.34 # or did it always fail? 14.01.58 # JdGordon: mi4header.length is the length excluding the padding, mi4header.mi4size is the full file size 14.02.11 # barrywardell: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/sansapatcher.zip (win32 and Linux binaries, I'll build mac later) 14.02.29 # so it passed if the memory between mi4header.length and mi4header.mi4size happened to be 0's 14.02.30 # barrywardell: ok, so whats the story with usb detection and db rebuild disabling? 14.03.16 # We can try adding them again now and see if it all works ok 14.03.25 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.03.27 # there's also still the lcd_init thing too 14.03.41 # nls: Thanks, sorry about not using \firmwarefilename... 14.03.49 # I got the rebuild disabling code working by the versino string :) 14.03.54 # but I consider them all nice extras, rather than essential to get in for the first version 14.04.14 # JdGordon: great! I think that's a better way to go about it 14.04.42 # fark, im going to be so dead tomorow.. waking up in 7 hours :p 14.04.45 # Yes, I think the aim should be to get sansapatcher released asap - future bootloader upgrades are easy once everyone has done their initial install with sansapatcher. 14.04.53 # any news on FS#6863? 14.05.23 # bluebrother: Ive been way to preocupied with unbricking to look... its going in my notepad so ill look tomroow 14.05.26 # JdGordon: I'd also like to add TEA decryption, but that can come later too 14.05.42 # * bluebrother goes reading logs 14.05.56 Join webguest49 [0] (i=55e62450@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a14541d81d0a4392) 14.06.05 # linuxstb: I think what's in SVN now is quite good. The only issue is that the lcd flashed rockbox blue for a second before booting the firmware 14.06.45 # I think usb should go in for release... 14.07.13 # Based on past USB experience on portalplayer, I think it needs a lot of testing... 14.07.50 # Also, has it been tested on other portalplayer targets? 14.08.16 # its all in #if SANSA_E200 14.08.30 # usb_detect() still breaks USB on my mac sometimes, requiring a restart 14.08.54 # So running that in the bootloader doesn't sound helpful to mac users... 14.09.11 # no 14.09.12 # USB? How far has that got while I've not been watching? 14.09.32 # just detection of a connection 14.09.36 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@jadzia.ece.fr) 14.10.35 # 0x8e000 is the OF isnt it? 14.10.44 # after RBODe200 14.10.49 # RBOFe200 even 14.11.25 # Yes - "RBOFe200" are the last 8 bytes of the MI4 header for the OF image. 14.11.38 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.12.176) 14.11.43 # so then thats the best place to get the version string from? 14.12.00 # What version string? 14.12.27 # PP5022AF-05.51-S301-01.11-S301.01.11A-D 14.12.37 # And you shouldn't hardcode that location - it's dependent on the bootloader size. 14.12.40 # 39 bytes 14.13.02 Join Paprica [0] (i=Paprica@rockbox/developer/paprica) 14.13.04 # You can read the bootloader size from the header at 0x80000 14.13.25 # JdGordon: i think it would be better to read the version string from the PPPS section 14.13.28 # So 0x80000+0x200+bootloader_size is the offset of the MI4 header for the original firmware. 14.13.37 # hmm... so the database byte is probably contstant from that then :p 14.14.01 # No, that has nothing to do with what sansapatcher is modifying. (I hope) 14.14.05 # as that would link in with version of the data in NVPARAMS 14.14.09 Quit webguest49 ("CGI:IRC") 14.14.42 # ok then.. taking it from PPPS 14.15.15 # dan_a: the lcd driver still does some flickering on init. any idea about how to get rid of that? 14.16.10 Join EbErT [0] (n=EbErT@adsl-34-33-145.asm.bellsouth.net) 14.16.41 # * linuxstb wonders why Bagder's Sansa firmware partition dump contains the string "Neurotic Fish" 14.16.58 # current song I guess 14.17.08 # it is the name of an artist 14.17.15 Quit andrewg867 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 14.17.31 # barrywardell: I'm getting something similar (I rebooted about 30 times before committing without a problem) - it looks like it's going to crash, but then carries on loading normally. Possibly disable the DMA just before changing the FB base address, in case the LC controller is reenabling it? 14.18.42 # does the driver not already do that? 14.19.33 # It does it at the start of lcd_init_device - maybe it should be moved closer to the place where we are changing the address 14.20.27 # ok, i'll try that 14.23.19 # ok, usb and rebuild working fine again with svn :) 14.23.23 # should I put the patch on FS? 14.23.55 # dan_a: that doesn't fix it. it looks like lcd_init_device() causes the lcd to update too 14.24.44 # JdGordon: yes, I think you should. 14.25.34 # * dan_a dreams of documentation 14.25.50 # * pondlife dreams he was a student 14.26.25 # * B4gder has another coffee 14.26.32 # Good idea... 14.26.48 # Pity GSoC didn't exist in 1988... 14.27.25 # um, rockbox doesn't seem to be rebooting on usb insertion on ipod color anymore 14.27.51 # Funny, there was another report that USB detection wasn't working on Hxxx too. 14.28.17 # barrywardell: 6866 14.28.20 # detection is working, just not the reboot 14.28.24 # OK 14.29.11 Join MarkMcConnell [0] (i=3efc8011@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-cadad7a908be8916) 14.29.19 # Hello 14.29.53 # hi MarkMcConnell 14.30.28 # i was asked to scan my Cretive Zen Vision M main board and put them in the wiki but how do i make a new topic because i am new to rockbox.com 14.30.57 # because i have 2 videos on youtube where i took apart my zen vision m 14.31.18 # MarkMcConnell: you ask us for permission to edit the wiki :-) 14.31.27 # yes 14.31.29 # please 14.32.13 # and its rockbox.org ;-) 14.32.15 # gnite all 14.32.22 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 14.32.29 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.32.40 Quit preglow (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.32.44 # MarkMcConnell: you are added now, and should b eable to edit 14.33.21 # just type in the name of the topic you want to create at the top of the wiki page and it will ask you if you want to create it 14.33.43 Join qwx [0] (n=qwm@h162n1fls34o1010.telia.com) 14.34.06 # Or just attach them to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CreativeZVMPort for now? 14.34.09 Quit MarkMcConnell ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 14.34.38 # markun: or that :-) 14.34.39 # the betting starts now: how much on him making an illegal wiki name? ;-) 14.35.02 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@p549AE7EA.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.35.14 # * nls thinks thtat hte wiki allowing people to do that is stupd 14.35.31 # yeah, at least it should be a lot harder 14.35.56 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@admin-147-222.potsdam.edu) 14.36.02 # and that it allows different pages with the same name with just case differences is stupid too, like ManualHowTo and ManualHowto :-) 14.36.29 # good filesystems are case sensitive ;-) 14.36.31 # it just shows they are unix people 14.36.36 # hcs: that problem is known - it comes and goes with different builds (without any code changes) 14.37.11 # pixelma: ok, I had noticed it occasionally before, but disconnected and reconnecting seemed to make it work again until now 14.37.15 # just so you know, both those pages exist in our wiki :-) 14.37.26 # the more the merrier! ;-) 14.38.47 # the only tricky think is that these pages are completely different ;-) 14.39.01 # maybe we should use namespaces somewhat more often? 14.39.20 # hcs: I had that with downloaded builds on a borrowed Mini (each time when connecting) - it was not present in a self-compiled one from exactly the same source 14.39.28 # hcs: It startedbefore end of december 2006, and I only experienced it being build dependent 14.39.40 # jhMikeS: %u is for unsigned, surely you should use uval and not val then? 14.39.43 # Maybe a GSoC project to sort through the entire wiki ;) 14.40.36 # (in the snprintf change just committed) 14.41.08 Quit Ribs ("eh eh ehhhh!") 14.41.55 # amiconn: doh! misread and thought they were unsigned... 14.42.55 # jhMikeS: i believe this might be your problem: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6864 14.43.13 Quit jhulst_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.43.14 Quit jhulst__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.44.00 Nick wLLm is now known as w1ll14m (n=w1ll14m@84-104-81-208.cable.quicknet.nl) 14.46.35 Quit perplexity ("* fnarfbargle *") 14.47.03 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.47.53 # LinusN: could be...will get on it to find out. 14.50.19 # jhMikeS: just sa a reference, USB works fine on my h320 with the latest svn (built myself) 14.50.27 # sa/as 14.50.57 Join preglow [0] (n=thomjoha@hekta.edt.aft.hist.no) 14.51.47 # nls: with or without voice? 14.52.29 # LinusN: voice disabled, but voicefile present 14.52.34 # nls: ok. there was a change in the handling in the voice thread connect ack to safely handle things...perhaps too safe :P 14.53.42 Join wrobbie [0] (n=rob@cm74.kappa84.maxonline.com.sg) 14.53.46 # still works with voice enabled 14.53.57 # * Domonoky reads some nice talk about rbutil in the logs :-) 14.54.03 # linuxstb: is it possible to do the tea decryption in blocks, rather than the whole file at once? 14.54.53 Part LinusN 14.55.11 Join jac0b [0] (i=9b6d0515@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b75bd9b70276b683) 14.55.44 # barrywardell: Yes, the decryption works in 8-byte blocks, but with the 128-bit key being incremented after each block. 14.56.18 # Domonoky: Yes, rbutil is well-loved :) 14.56.28 # odd...mine seems to not be working....but NO voice :\ I wonder if it's because I registered the voice queue but didn't create the thread. 14.56.46 # I"m sure that's it. 14.56.59 # ok, thanks. i have it half-working in the bootloader, but loading it in smaller blocks would be better 14.57.38 # barrywardell: Yes, it would be nice to test the keys by just decrypting the part containing the aa55aa55 magic. 14.57.55 # I almost did that in sansapatcher, but was lazy... 14.58.33 # that would indeed be very nice. would I just increment the key my mi4header.length-4 then do the decryption? 14.58.59 # I'm not sure how the aa55aa55 is aligned - it could be split between two blocks... 14.59.31 # ah, sorry, i read that as 8-bit blocks the first time 14.59.40 # i think i should be able to work out the aligning 14.59.47 Quit jhulst (Connection timed out) 15.00.04 # * amiconn didn't try out rbutil yet 15.00.07 # If you could implement a nice "test_key" function, I could use it in sansapatcher. 15.00.32 # I'm not even sure what it can do. 15.00.47 # It can do everything apart from make coffee 15.00.52 # :-) 15.00.55 # Does it only install bootloaders or also rockbox builds? Does it support all targets? 15.01.02 # * linuxstb submits feature request 15.01.05 Nick joshin_ is now known as joshin (n=joshin@unaffiliated/joshin) 15.01.11 # supports all targets, execpt sansa 15.01.25 # installs bootloaders, rockbox, fonts, and themes.. 15.01.28 # So I could install a rockbox build on my archos recorder with it? 15.01.36 # also it can uninstall.. 15.01.40 # amiconn: Yes. 15.01.45 # will do linuxstb. 15.01.55 # Domonoky: how does it work with h100/h300 bootloaders? Does it download the original firmware itself or do I need to supply it? 15.01.58 # Hmm, but no bootloader as there is none 15.02.10 # nls: you need to supply it.. 15.02.20 # Might in fact be nice if it could install the required files for first-time flashing then 15.02.30 # Domonoky: ah, and then i patches and places the file on the dap? 15.02.33 # * bluebrother reads about a new release of FS 15.02.35 # i==it 15.02.38 # amiconn: Are the files on download.rockbox.org? 15.02.41 # nls: yes 15.02.47 # nice :-) 15.02.48 # linuxstb: No, they're in the wiki 15.03.11 # Any problem with moving them though? 15.03.18 Quit EbErT () 15.03.35 # bingo...fixed 15.04.46 # Domonoky: I forget who, but someone mentioned problems recently when trying to install rbutil itself on the device. Have you tested that feature recently? 15.08.02 # no i havent tried it recently.. will test it.. 15.08.28 Quit lostlogic (Remote closed the connection) 15.08.40 Join lostlogic [0] (n=lostlogi@rockbox/developer/lostlogic) 15.09.22 Join vcardenas [0] (i=c8767629@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2e6826663e1a891b) 15.09.35 # I'm not sure how it works, but you may need to know that on the Mac, "rbutil.app" is a directory, not a folder, and the rbutil file itself is in something like rbutil.app/Contents/MacOS/ (I forget exactly). So I guess that feature is broken on the Mac... 15.09.45 # Domonoky: rbutil works here now, btw 15.09.59 # So it's now unicode-safe? 15.10.23 # it should now be unicode safe 15.10.39 # and i will hav a look how this install function works.. 15.10.51 # i haven't tried it much, though 15.10.58 # got it to crash a couple of times in theme downloading 15.11.03 # but that might have been write priv stuff 15.11.37 # preglow: please fill a bugreport, or fix it :-) 15.11.44 # Domonoky: Can the rbutil.ini file updated from a version on download.rockbox.org? 15.11.54 # ^insert a "be" where appropriate 15.12.47 # theoretically that should be possible.. but it isnt implemented 15.16.45 # Domonoky: did you see my patch to fix the compiler warnings ? 15.17.39 # no, will have a look at it.. 15.18.06 # FS #6865 15.18.14 # ah.. thx 15.18.50 # np 15.19.46 # i also fixed the warnings, but thats in my tree with the non-ready sansapatcher integration..so i will comiikt your fix :-) 15.20.02 # commit.. :-) 15.20.03 # Domonoky: Do you need me to do anything to sansapatcher? 15.20.26 # It seems that sansapatcher itself is fine, all problems so far have been bootloader-related. 15.20.52 # not, really, i had to rename a few more functions in sansapatcher.. and introduce a #ifndef RBUTIL 15.21.45 # * linuxstb hates it when people torrent things and then don't bother to seed.... 15.22.05 # linuxstb: amen to that 15.22.07 # but rbutil needs more work to use the sansapatcher, (its integrated, but UI doesnt use it jet, those wizardpages are annoying me.. ) 15.23.07 Join prokick [0] (i=webchat@84.90.137.233) 15.23.24 Quit prokick (Client Quit) 15.23.57 Join xen` [0] (n=xen@82.152.136.66) 15.24.04 Join TheSphinX^ [0] (n=sphinx@p213.54.9.105.tisdip.tiscali.de) 15.27.10 Quit austriancoder ("Lost terminal") 15.30.13 # hrmph...now my Gigabeat bootloader won't load rb from /.rockbox 15.30.59 # do you have the newest bootloader? 15.31.39 # no, I think it's time though :) 15.31.50 # The latest bootloader (FWIMG01.DAT) is dated 12 March 2007. The latest official version can be found at http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/gigabeat/FWIMG01.DAT. 15.32.55 # I don't doubt it's been update, just had no reason to until now. 15.34.01 Quit xenite (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.34.58 # Argh, so the early official gigabeat bootloaders didn't look in .rockbox? 15.35.07 # nope 15.35.30 Quit xen` (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 15.36.32 # give me a hint, please - what functions set should i use to play some audio file? 15.36.42 # linuxstb: I'm so glad I'm not as responsible for the Gigabeat port anymore as I was in the beginning :) 15.36.57 # markun: So who's responsible? :) 15.37.16 # all of us? 15.37.38 # i found mp3_play_*, but they're excluded from simulator build. can't understand why 15.37.52 Join gerry_ [0] (n=gerry@151.76.208.247) 15.37.54 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 15.37.54 # hello 15.37.57 # sounds like they are for HWCODEC only 15.37.58 # std|work: what are you trying to do? 15.38.10 # does rockbox read .ra? realaudio? 15.38.12 # i need to play audio from plugin 15.38.12 Join perplexity [0] (n=joust@dxb-as84568.alshamil.net.ae) 15.38.15 # I thought the 12th March bootloader was supposed to do away with the bootsplash ? 15.38.19 # gerry_: no 15.38.24 # ops 15.38.28 # there is a list of supported codecs in the wiki 15.38.34 # to play and to seek thru the audio 15.38.54 # std|work: I'm not sure if it's supported 15.39.09 # i've a problem since i updatet from r15840 to r12845: while my x5 is playing my sound gets more badly and more badly, and after 3 or 4 tracks i have to restart, because i can't any longer listen to it :( 15.39.18 # std|work: what plugin are you working on? 15.39.20 Join webguest50 [0] (i=3fad1312@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e7e07c9f230dbf04) 15.39.36 # Quick question please? 15.39.58 # markun: I don't think that works... I've been thinking about this recently, and think it would be nice if each target (or group of targets) had a "release manager" to take charge of things like bootloader releases, documentation etc. 15.39.59 Join perl|work [0] (n=jacquesc@static-64-61-105-170.isp.broadviewnet.net) 15.40.01 # webguest50: for "quick" your time's up 15.40.05 # :) 15.40.16 # Llorean pointed people on the ABI forum to a beta install using Sansapatcher 15.40.21 # There's a link to download it but it's busted. 15.40.26 # Is this tool not ready for prime time? 15.40.30 Nick datachild is now known as krebb (i=krebb@linux.aeger.wind0ws.info) 15.40.33 # What link did he post? 15.40.34 Nick krebb is now known as datachild (i=krebb@linux.aeger.wind0ws.info) 15.40.47 # Wait, I'll have to find it. 15.40.47 # webguest50: But no, the tool isn't released yet. 15.41.04 # http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/sansapatcher/win32/sansapatcher.exe 15.41.19 # Yes, that's where the file will go when it's released. 15.41.28 # * GodEater wonders if Domonoky will be nice enough to include him in credits.h this time... 15.41.31 # OK, so it's not ready... thanks. 15.41.47 # GodEater: oops... :-) 15.41.50 # hehe 15.42.07 # Domonoky: I thought about including that in the patch, but thought it might be a bit cheeky ;) 15.42.15 # GodEater: you should have includes it in your patch :-) 15.42.22 # hahaha 15.42.24 # linuxstb: for me such a job would probably take the fun out of rockbox, but perhaps there are other people who like doing such things? 15.42.27 # oy, had to enter rescue mode...good thing I found it by pressing buttons at random :P 15.42.51 # markun: It's virtually no work, just a little management... 15.43.07 # markun: i want to make e-book with both audio and text parts 15.43.09 Quit webguest50 (Client Quit) 15.43.34 # linuxstb: I already feel too responsible for those lost sould in mygigabeat.com :) 15.43.38 # GodEater: and you should post you patches on Flyspray as Patches, not as Bugs :-) 15.43.46 # lost souls 15.43.48 # markun: useful stuff for me to learn some English =) 15.44.23 # std|work: ok, sounds insteresting. The mpegplayer uses audio output, but it's linked with libmad 15.44.37 # Domonoky: I thought I had - I noticed when I went to look for it that it had managed to go into bugs though 15.44.47 # * GodEater will be more careful next time 15.44.59 # :-) 15.45.27 # markun: gotta go now. is there a reason to post a message to forum? 15.45.40 # Domonoky: I'm busy building a debian environment in vmware to (hopefully) get a statically linked version of rbutil ready for the wiki 15.45.55 # GodEater: nice.. 15.45.58 # Gentoo just isn't oriented for statically linking stuff sadly 15.46.07 # std|work: better come back here for serious questions 15.46.20 # * Domonoky commited the credits change in rbutil :-) 15.46.36 # okie. thanx everyone 15.46.58 # nice (partial) quote "... while computers make fine idiot savants, ..." 15.47.01 Quit std|work ("bye") 15.48.18 # Gigabeat all better :) 15.48.21 # Domonoky: hehe - thanks ;) 15.49.15 # http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/sandisk-sansa-view-video-tour-245198.php <-- will rockbox work on this? 15.49.33 # * Domonoky hopes this change, motivates GodEater to help more with rbutil :-)) 15.49.46 # Ooh, I think I've come across the magic to allow us to send two samples at once down the I2S FIFO on Portalplayer machines... it'll save a few instructions in the FIQ 15.50.39 # * amiconn spots some realname policy violation on the frontpage 15.51.11 Nick datachild is now known as krebb (i=krebb@linux.aeger.wind0ws.info) 15.51.35 # oh, should i refer to realnames in the commit messages ? 15.51.38 # dan_a: what does it do now? coldfire sends l-r pairs or do you mean two l-r pairs at once? 15.51.46 # amiconn: at least the actual name in credits.h is real 15.52.40 # Stalwart: if someone ports rockbox to it, sure 15.52.48 # jhMikeS: At the moment, pcm-pp.c sends the left sample then the right - I think I can send a l-r pair 15.53.56 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 15.54.14 # good day toffe82 15.54.50 # Sansa View looks great - no fscking touchscreen 15.55.06 # i think about it if my nano dies unexpectedly 15.55.41 # dear debian experts, is there a way to accept "suggested packages" when doing an apt-get install? Or do you just have to remember them and come back later ? 15.56.51 # hello 15.57.23 # Domonoky: is the theme downloader supposed to work? 15.57.30 # * Stalwart waves to toffe82 15.57.46 # GodEater: I've always done the latter personally, for the rare cases I've cared 15.57.58 # preglow: it should work, but there could be some bugs :-) 15.58.04 # you don't say 15.58.07 # segfaults here 15.58.10 # good god 15.58.13 # B4gder: ok. I'll get a notepad ;) 15.58.14 # gtk stacktraces are so ugly 15.58.16 # i've a problem since i updatet from r15840 to r12845: while my x5 is playing my sound gets more badly and more badly, and after 3 or 4 tracks i have to restart, because i can't any longer listen to it :( could it be because of the r12843-changes? has anyone an idea? 15.58.28 # stacktrace 109 items long 15.58.29 Quit Thundercloud_ (Connection timed out) 15.58.43 # yikes 15.58.45 # preglow: :-( 15.59.07 # TheSphinX^: r15840 to r12845 sounds... wrong 15.59.35 # B4gder http://build.rockbox.org/cvsmod/chlog-20070319T220457Z.html 16.00.02 # ? 16.00.02 # TheSphinX^: Possible. Can you be more specific? 16.00.14 # that's r12842 to r12843 16.00.33 # Domonoky: what's supposed to happen in the theme window? does it create a list box of entries? 16.00.55 # I think TheSphinX^ meant r12840 to r12845 *shrug* 16.00.56 # i had 12840 installed and updated to 12845 or do you update every build or until you sleep? 16.01.11 # preglow: yes it creates a list of aviable themes 16.01.12 # you didn't say 12480 16.01.16 # 12840 16.01.52 # ups a typo but that the 15 must be an 12 is more possible 16.01.52 # * preglow HATES gui code 16.02.11 # preglow: when does it segfault ? after the downloading, and before showing the list ?? 16.02.27 # Domonoky: progres bar is like 10% done, then it segfaults 16.02.30 # TheSphinX^: I do have an x5 and had no such thing happen. I used it on and off all day a couple days ago to check everything. 16.02.46 # so while downloading ? strange.. 16.02.54 # GodEater: Does SVN rbutil compile without warnings for you now? 16.02.55 # Domonoky: for reference, no such segfault here 16.02.59 # Domonoky: a SetLabel call is what messes up 16.03.02 # linuxstb: yep 16.03.05 # Domonoky: more specifically the string = operator 16.03.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.03.33 # GodEater: I still get a couple - http://www.pastebin.ca/403637 16.04.36 # linuxstb: if fixed those locally, but its in another tree.. 16.06.15 # TheSphinX^: I'm not sure how sound would degrade gradually. So tell me what's up. I'm usually on the alert for a few days after making changes like that. Tell me what settings you have on. Try resetting them to see if the problem disappears. 16.06.22 # bah 16.06.27 # how odd - I don't get those warnings at all 16.06.30 # the occasional hungarian notation in rbutil :/ 16.06.36 # jhMikeS 1 moment 16.07.23 # GodEater: gcc version? I've got 4.0.4 16.08.06 # 4.1.2 16.08.07 # and these are valid warnings... :-) so i will fix it shortly :-) 16.08.51 # clearly 4.1.2 doesn't think they're valid =/ 16.09.22 # not a single bloody theme on the gigabeat pages uses the right dir structure in the .zip file it seems 16.09.43 # Domonoky: a target list with collapsable categories would be nicer than the current one 16.10.07 # rbutil try to check for the right structure.. :-) ( it checks if there is a .rockbox dir) 16.10.17 # hmm 16.10.22 # I think it's getting it wrong then 16.10.33 # I just checked one of the files it downloaded, and it looked fine to me 16.11.06 # hm, it could be missing a fix, its bad to have too many svn dirs :-) i will try :-) 16.11.12 # Domonoky: the bug is in wxThemesPage::OnListBox 16.11.25 # Domonoky: in the SetLabel call 16.11.27 # segfaults 16.12.07 # hmm 16.12.23 # oki, i will have a look.. 16.12.40 # wait a min 16.12.41 # it worked now 16.12.48 # GodEater: on windows installing gigabeat themes works.. 16.12.58 # it depends on the target, it seems 16.14.18 # hm, it could be some themes are missing some thing in the list i download, (which theme is it ? ) 16.14.20 # Domonoky: depends on target, if i chose ipods, it crashes, h10, for example, it works fine 16.14.28 # Domonoky: I just tried Cabbie 16.14.35 # which is a fairly decent one 16.14.50 # try nano yourself and see if that works 16.14.59 # the .zip file looks fine structurally 16.15.33 # also, the image preview window should not be resizable 16.15.34 # preglow: same here 16.15.40 # and the download progress bar is a bit wide :) 16.15.43 # gigabeat is fine - iPod nano crashes 16.15.46 # GodEater, preglow: on windows this works.. i will fire up colinux 16.15.55 # Domonoky: nano and ipod video too? 16.15.57 # preglow: hahah - also the same opinion on the progress bar ;) 16.16.23 # preglow: yep - ipod Video crashes too 16.16.23 # yes, on windows both work.. 16.17.01 # * GodEater builds with debugging on 16.17.22 # and the progressbar is the same on every download, so its not good to change the width 16.17.35 # because other downloads are bigger.. 16.17.48 # bigger? 16.17.58 # the progress bar size depends on file size in kb? :) 16.18.08 # for example downloading rockbox.. 16.18.17 # just make it 500 pixels wide everywhere, for example 16.18.23 # if it works for web browsers, it really should work for us 16.18.28 # :-) 16.18.34 # the progress bar is bloody 1400 pixels wide here 16.18.38 # which just looks weird 16.18.41 # its christis code, i will digg in.. :-) 16.19.30 # and i need to go get food 16.19.31 # bbl 16.19.31 Quit B4gder ("Time to say moo") 16.20.03 # npp 16.22.23 Quit jac0b ("CGI:IRC") 16.25.44 # ok, i can reporduce the incorrect detection of the dir struckture in Linux, but it doesnt segfault for me.. 16.26.08 # just an update on my pb with dircache, the cache was not created, too many files ... 16.27.21 Join Frode_ [0] (n=Frode@213.167.96.196) 16.29.21 Quit atsea-142 (Remote closed the connection) 16.29.21 Quit atsea- (Remote closed the connection) 16.35.54 # toffe82 interesting 16.36.38 # How o 16.36.43 # Oops 16.36.52 Quit wrobbie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.36.52 # How come rbutil has its own credits? 16.37.31 # :-) dont really know, thats christis work :-) 16.37.55 # Not a problem, I just didn't know it did have - assumed it would be the normal CREDITS file... :) 16.39.54 # i fixed now the remaining warnings, and the dir checking with themezips... but i didnt found the segfaulting bug.. as it doesnt segfault on my windows and coLinux.. 16.40.22 # oh and i also changed the size of the Progressdialog, i hope it should be better now :-) 16.42.08 # pondlife: The manual also has its own list of credits. 16.42.44 # I didn't know that either 16.43.19 # But I'm not sure what I think about that... 16.45.25 # Does Rasher hang out here ever? 16.47.26 Join ackbahr [0] (n=ackbahr@d83-189-141-214.cust.tele2.ch) 16.53.29 # pondlife: He used to 16.53.48 # logbot tells me he left this channel almost 29 days ago 16.56.11 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 16.56.11 Quit chrisjs169 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.56.14 Join chrisjs169|brb [0] (n=Jack@unaffiliated/chrisjs169) 16.56.18 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 16.58.20 Quit preglow (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16.58.20 NSplit kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 16.58.20 Quit qwx (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16.58.29 Join preglow [0] (n=thomjoha@rockbox/developer/preglow) 16.58.29 NHeal kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 16.58.29 NJoin qwx [0] (n=qwm@h162n1fls34o1010.telia.com) 16.58.50 # jhMikeS i'm uploading an sample 16.59.06 # amiconn: Thanks, I've mailed him. 17.00.02 # TheSphinX^: ok 17.00.50 # TheSphinX^: If you tell what settings you've got maybe I can duplicate it. 17.02.41 # * TheSphinX^ jhMikeS i'm looking trought some patches 17.02.51 # * TheSphinX^ linuxstb can you tell me what exactly happens on your ipod with your sync-patch? 17.03.19 Quit billytwowilly (Remote closed the connection) 17.03.42 Quit ackbahr (Remote closed the connection) 17.04.06 Join webguest56 [0] (i=7d19be01@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1677b30929c353bc) 17.04.50 Quit webguest56 (Client Quit) 17.05.43 Join webguest56 [0] (i=7d19be01@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5c3e856cd62e3cee) 17.08.38 # TheSphinX^: The sound is corrupted. It's recognisable, but distorted. 17.08.48 # Domonoky: now it looks even weirder :P it starts out as big, then half a second after it appears, it's resized smaller 17.09.08 # linuxstb dit it only break audio on video or everywhere? 17.09.20 # *did 17.09.46 # pondlife: rasher hangs out here when he has time 17.10.02 # I didn't check, but I would be surprised if it could affect audio outside mpegplayer 17.10.17 # preglow: ups :-) 17.10.19 # TheSphinX^: this is for video playback? I don't think my update should do anything. 17.10.27 # ok, i asket yust because of my audioissues 17.11.41 Quit webguest56 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.11.50 # jhMikeS no my issue is everywere, but linuxstb sad that his patch beaks audio on ipods, and i didn't know "does it only break on videoplaying" or the whole soundsystem" 17.12.40 # pondlife: If you want to know when someone was around last time: /msg logbot seen 17.13.14 # amiconn: Thanks 17.13.34 # This sounds strange cause I did most of my testing on x5 and if it didn't sound fine it wouldn't be in CVS...but some setting you have could be causing trouble. If I don't know more I just really can't investigate it since I don't know what to do. 17.13.43 # SVN argh 17.14.04 # jhMikeS the sample i'M uploading is recorded on the line-out while playing an album of mp3s 17.14.12 # ok 17.14.55 # preglow: can you try this patch on rbutil ? http://pastebin.ca/403728 17.14.57 # but how am I going to be able to duplicate this? 17.15.27 # i don'T know is could send you my config 17.15.42 # that'll do... 17.16.02 # Domonoky: just progress bar size fix? 17.16.27 # and i check the index, in the OnlistBox function.. 17.16.50 # so it could help against the segfault, but i dont know.. 17.17.04 # progress bar now looks good, but segfaults like before 17.17.50 # preglow: hard at work on your favorite area of coding? ;) 17.18.03 # jhMikeS: i'm just whining, not coding ;) 17.18.07 # :-) 17.18.13 # jhMikeS http://mitglied.lycos.de/djflib/rockbox/sphinx_config.cfg 17.18.22 # though i AM coding gui right now too, just not rockbox 17.18.25 # :/// 17.18.26 # I prefer whining myself too sometimes 17.18.27 # but this segfault is bad.. i cant reproduze it.. 17.18.37 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 17.19.24 # Domonoky: if i use a target that segfaults after having used one that works, i instead get a message that the themes list is in wrong format 17.20.26 # interresting.. 17.20.49 # then it just proceeds anyway, and gives me the old list for the target that worked 17.21.27 # THEN rbutil crashes whenever i select one of the entiers 17.21.29 # enties 17.21.32 # ENTRIES, GODDAMN IT 17.21.45 # which isn't very surprising, since they don't really exist for the target 17.21.46 # bad, bad.. 17.22.41 # back to the motor league with rbutil 17.23.10 # the list should be emtpy if parsing the downloaded list fails... strange.. :-( 17.24.10 # * Domonoky thinks about changing the wizards to normal Windows, with everyting on one Page.. 17.24.31 # but as always there is one problem... time.. :-) 17.27.56 # jhMikeS http://rapidshare.com/files/21968456/x5audiuissue.sample.mp3.html 17.30.25 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17.30.32 # ok. will start the dl. gimme a few cause I've gotta order some contacts online for my gf and I've been promising for days to do it and I'm gonna get in trouble if I don't :P 17.34.33 # jhMikeS now played some speex-files and it simply "mutes" after a while 17.35.25 Quit lostlogic (Remote closed the connection) 17.36.00 # ok, an mix of speex and flac 17.36.05 # i saw 17.36.54 Join CVMagic [0] (n=chatzill@24-236-197-243.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) 17.37.28 Quit CVMagic (Client Quit) 17.39.17 # TheSphinX^: no lockups or anything, right? 17.39.49 # yes 17.40.37 # stereo speex? 17.41.11 Quit mattzz ("CGI:IRC") 17.41.17 # mixed mono and stereo, i haven't a lot of speex files 17.41.21 Quit ender` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.41.35 # speex isn't exactly trouble free at the moment 17.41.47 # so i currently can test it better 17.41.55 # ok 17.42.13 # mp3 or something would be better 17.42.24 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m180.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 17.42.28 # the sample is only from mp3s 17.42.35 # so it's better 17.42.36 # ok 17.43.48 Join lostlogic [0] (n=lostlogi@rockbox/developer/lostlogic) 17.44.28 # that's really nasty clipping actually 17.44.31 # SOT. but useful for my Rockbox sim testing... anyone know if there's a way for Windows to map a network drive to a particular place in the filesystem as a link? 17.45.02 # i.e. My music is all on a network drive, I'd like to see it under my sims archos directory. 17.45.13 # yes, if you map the network drive to a drivename.. 17.45.25 # As opposed to a letter? 17.45.34 # i mean letter 17.45.38 # like some gain is creeping up over time 17.45.50 # OK, I have that, but how to link to the letter? 17.46.04 # Used to be JOIN or similar under MS-DOS... 17.46.20 # hm, have to look it up again.. 17.46.36 # pondlife: Are you using cygwin? 17.47.14 # Yes 17.47.22 # Then symlinks may work - e.g. "ln -sf /cygdrive/x mymusic" 17.47.48 # (type it from within your archos directory) 17.47.51 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@84-255-206-8.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) 17.48.17 # Do I need to mount my UNC path first? 17.48.42 # Ah, I don't know how cygwin deals with that - my example assumed it was mapped to a drive. 17.49.02 # Ah, /cygdrive ! 17.49.16 # My example assumed your music was accessed on drive x: 17.49.45 Quit gerry_ ("Leaving") 17.50.17 # Nope, that works in Cygwin, but not from the sim.. Nice try though! 17.50.44 # That's odd... 17.50.57 # I would have thought the sim would go through cygwin's filesystem layer... 17.51.02 # No 17.51.18 # Or is it a native win32 app? 17.51.23 # i found it, use the commandline in windows 17.51.34 # use the subst command 17.51.37 # TheSphinX^: You tried the 2007-03-19 daily with no problems? 17.51.40 # http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10877-5975262.html 17.52.09 # I thought subst was the opposite - i.e. assign a drive letter to a directory? 17.52.11 # Wow, I thought SUBST only allowed me to specify a letter 17.52.19 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 17.52.25 # * barrywardell loads an encrypted mi4 on his H10 :) 17.52.40 # oh, could be.. sorry 17.52.54 # H10 bootloader is about to get a lot easier! 17.53.04 # but there is a possibilty to do it the other way round, but i forgot how to.. 17.53.16 # LINKD under WinXP? 17.53.23 # I think amiconn may know - I'm sure he's mentioned this ability in the past. 17.53.28 # But that's not available under Win2K like I'm running 17.53.50 # * linuxstb_ leaves for the evening 17.54.06 Quit linuxstb_ ("Leaving") 17.55.09 # Nevermind 17.55.10 # barrywardell: you're working with an unchanged, original iriver mi4 for dualbooting? 17.55.18 # yes 17.57.44 # i have it working now 17.58.19 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! 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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 18.17.42 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@avc146.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 18.19.40 Join _Amblin [0] (n=Osiris@udp124072uds.hawaiiantel.net) 18.21.33 Join Everybody [0] (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 18.26.18 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m180.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 18.26.21 Join atsea-142 [0] (i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-d4304c71602d24cd) 18.27.27 # uh, finally the scheduler should be more core-wise thread safe and that fixed many issues too.. probably committing in few days :) 18.27.49 Join atsea- [0] (i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-8f7cfa6b672c8c75) 18.28.37 Join MarkMcConnell [0] (i=3efc8011@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-73e732a3a2a86c32) 18.28.42 # Hello, 18.29.07 # MarkMcConnell: welcome back 18.29.37 # you didn't manage to upload the scans? 18.29.41 # Clould i have permission to edit the wiki , because i was asked to scan the Zen Vision M's hard drive and main board 18.30.00 Join donvito [0] (i=donvito@71-89-49-84.dhcp.stpt.wi.charter.com) 18.30.24 # MarkMcConnell: you should have write permission already. Doesn't it work? 18.30.30 Quit Everybody ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 18.30.38 # i know sorry my laptop battery ran out and i was on the train . i have it fully charged now 18.30.59 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.31.00 # 2 seconds and i will try it again. 18.32.03 # Slasheri: does it fix the sluggish list scrolling? 18.32.33 # indirectly yes, because it allows audio decoding on COP 18.33.01 # it works i will upload the scans in 2 mins :) 18.34.16 Quit donvito (Client Quit) 18.34.22 # Slasheri: improved on the complete lack of performance gains with the old cop decoding? 18.34.23 Join bwbass [0] (n=Miranda@c-24-19-247-192.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 18.34.24 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 18.35.02 # preglow: currently there is no such thing as cop decoding 18.35.05 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m180.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 18.35.25 # because the codec thread is never really ran on the cop (debug screen shows wrong information) 18.36.00 # but now i have got it really running on cop, and ui lag is gone 18.36.12 # Slasheri: really now 18.36.16 # Slasheri: cool! 18.36.20 # :) 18.36.31 # any problems left? 18.36.51 # how does the debug screen show the wrong info, btw? 18.37.17 # there are many _possible_ issues left, but currently it's running quite well. For example possible filesystem corruption in worst case if both cores are writing to the fs 18.38.55 # well, only the first should do that, of course 18.38.57 # preglow: debug screen thinks the process is on the cop because the thread has been allocated from the cop's thread pool (i am now unifying both pools). But scheduler's thread blocking function was buggy and moved thread from cop back to main core 18.39.03 # and debug screen does not know that 18.39.16 # preglow: true, but with recording that can be an issue 18.39.34 # as jhMikeS said, codec and recording threads needs to be on the same core 18.39.49 # hah 18.39.50 # fancy 18.39.54 # hrm 18.39.56 # that's true 18.40.35 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-089-189.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.41.23 # well, this is very cool in any case 18.41.31 # solves the Big cop mystery 18.41.37 # true :) 18.45.23 # has anyone had any further looks at tomal's latest vorbis patches? 18.45.26 # any reason they're not commited? 18.47.17 # their i got the pics uploaded http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MarkMcConnell hope i have helped 18.49.30 # hrm...The one that wanted a bug looked into dun runnoft without cluing me in on everything...typical 18.50.41 # Slasheri: Why do recording and codec threads need to be on the same core for recording, but audio and codec threads for playback do not? 18.50.58 # amiconn: audio & codec threads needs to be too 18.51.05 # there is just too much dependency 18.51.18 # Ok, and how do you solve the fs access there? 18.51.56 # amiconn: mutexes are used for ata, but codec is only reading data so cached buffers are not likely to cause fs corruption 18.52.15 # just read data to codec can be corrupted in worst case but that should be the case on the main core 18.52.38 # but things chance is codec is trying to write also 18.52.50 # then cached buffers are likely to cause more serious trouble 18.52.52 # hmm. 18.53.21 # *that should not 18.54.08 # *is=if, argh typos 18.54.51 # * amiconn thinks cop threads should never access the file system 18.55.15 # And the thread(s) doing the buffering should run on main 18.55.16 # that would be ideal, but not likely to happen with the current codec system 18.55.40 Nick Arathis is now known as Arathis|afk (n=doerk@p5484bf3e.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.55.43 # probably on the new playback system if buffering is separated 18.56.42 Quit _Amblin (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.56.58 Quit barrywardell () 18.57.22 # * amiconn wonders whether we can flush specified cache lines, as opposed to the whole cache 18.57.29 # On PP, that is 18.58.05 # that would help a lot. But iirc nobody has yet figured out how that can be done 18.58.54 # Or mark certain sdram areas as uncachable 18.59.06 # but probably we could flush the whole cache too if that's the only way to do it 18.59.29 # for example after entering specific mutex, flush the cache 18.59.38 # amiconn: the last is possible, in a way 18.59.55 # amiconn: by accesing the sdram areas in question by aliased addresses 19.00.05 # hrm, that wouldn't exactly make it uncached, though 19.00.31 # unless the cache is actually configured to not cache those addresses at all, but we don't know that 19.01.49 # * Slasheri wonders if anyone uses ipod for recording atm.. i could commit the new scheduler too and broke recording on PP 19.01.58 # too=soon 19.02.00 # Aliased addresses circumvent the cache on read 19.02.05 # ..only 19.02.20 Quit MarkMcConnell ("CGI:IRC") 19.02.40 # * amiconn would like to know what the new scheduler does wrt binary size on single-core targets 19.03.32 # amiconn: single core targets shouldn't be affected (much) :) 19.03.43 # in fact some parts of code was simplified 19.03.43 Quit BigBambi (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.03.44 # preglow: Hmm, if we knew the cache organisation, it would be possible to flush certain lines only 19.04.09 # ..by reading from an address which is an alias for the cached line 19.05.20 # Slasheri: I think you should ask linuxstb wrt PP recording 19.05.52 # amiconn: ok, and i will make a patch before committing 19.08.42 # now all scheduler operations are atomic and both cores can't be in active scheduling stage at the same time 19.10.40 Quit pondlife ("disconnected has pondlife") 19.11.20 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 19.11.54 # well, that bug TheSphinX^ reported is for real...and very bizarre too 19.12.20 Nick Arathis|afk is now known as Arathis (n=doerk@p5484bf3e.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.12.23 # You were able to reproduce it? 19.12.27 # yes 19.12.38 # * amiconn doesn't run that code yet 19.12.42 # it's the oddest thing 19.12.52 # Need a defined base for my runtime tests 19.12.54 Quit kaaloo ("Leaving.") 19.13.06 # the audio gradually becomes clipped...but quieter 19.13.06 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc1-brig8-0-0-cust753.brig.cable.ntl.com) 19.14.14 # peakmeters are pegged to the top...like somethings changing a gain variable little by little 19.14.39 # or it's a creepy DC offset... 19.15.04 Quit Arathis (Remote closed the connection) 19.15.23 # Is it codec dependent? 19.15.47 # jhMikeS: I know what causes the problem 19.15.52 # amiconn: It's an old problem, long since fixed. 19.16.03 # ? 19.16.09 # until today...hhah 19.16.11 # I think 19.16.16 # Look at his band 0 on the EQ 19.16.27 # Or maybe I'm wrong. 19.16.29 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484bf3e.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.16.41 # But shouldn't the cutoff be 60hz? 19.16.50 # It's 0HZ 19.16.55 # 0hz causes symptoms exactly as he described 19.17.00 # Hmm, my latest ipod rtt shows that dual-core operation decreases runtime... by about 5% on mini2g 19.17.01 # It's impossible to set, but it was the default briefly. 19.17.23 # Probably because of the improper dual-core scheduling... 19.17.25 # That was fixed, but if he hadn't cleared his settings since then, he'd still have it set, if the EQ was on, it would cause that problem. 19.17.26 # What was the fix? Why's it showing again? 19.17.35 # it is 19.17.35 # The fix was changing the default back to 60hz 19.17.41 # if eq code works at all when sent 0hz as cutoff, it's pure luck 19.17.51 # Really I think settings should be range checked at load 19.17.56 # But people who hadn't cleared their settings since the 'fix' would still have it set at 0hz, and get funny behaviour on the EQ 19.18.07 # jhMikeS: I agree. 19.18.08 # Llorean: Thanks for saving much of my time :) 19.18.10 # * amiconn thought the new settings code would check bounds, and reset a setting to default if it's out of bounds 19.18.57 # Llorean: so what should I do? reset settings and retry the config I got? 19.19.22 # just set that setting to 60 19.19.24 # Hmm, or perhaps the code that takes the setting should do this check (eq in this case) 19.19.38 # jhMikeS: Or just set the cutoff to 60hz, or anything but 0. 19.19.41 # It's not like we have header with nice ranges and defaults 19.19.41 # amiconn: bounds checking sounds better 19.19.52 # the general case, that is 19.20.00 # right....I just clicked it to 20 and it all came back 19.21.03 # i also happen to think 20 is a bit too low 19.21.14 # 40 is borderline 19.21.16 # some settings might be better clamped...hard to say. both options should exist and I think there's plenty of flags left to specify that stuff 19.21.50 Quit robin0800 (" Want to be different? HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 19.22.22 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc1-brig8-0-0-cust753.brig.cable.ntl.com) 19.22.31 # heh...false alarm...it seemed not like that kind of thing the new code would create. 19.23.34 # As for running doom with a voice file present on my Gigabeat...is that an old issue or something I'd better jump on? pacbox works (that is also IRAM using). 19.24.22 # It just crashes out but not without the voice file....I'll check previous builds 19.25.55 Quit robin0800 (Client Quit) 19.25.57 # duh...should've seen the 0 in the eq band right there in the config 19.26.15 Join Redbreva [0] (n=chatzill@host86-134-208-199.range86-134.btcentralplus.com) 19.26.57 # * jhMikeS is gonna switch reload his own config cause this one's kinda oogy 19.27.11 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc1-brig8-0-0-cust753.brig.cable.ntl.com) 19.27.20 Join Stefan [0] (n=chatzill@89.136.181.105) 19.28.11 # back after school with two more questions 19.28.46 # is anyone here? 19.28.53 # ) 19.29.06 # i'll take that as a yes 19.29.20 # one question left 19.31.56 # Hahaha 19.32.29 # jhMikeS: Doom crashes if voice is enabled. Just voice file present is no problem 19.32.49 # amiconn: not on x5 last I looked 19.33.01 # This is due to doom using the core menu api. 19.33.20 # Duuno whether pacbox doesn't use that, never tried it... 19.33.30 # makes sense...that will invoke the voice codec and trash dooms ram/iram 19.34.27 # Can we make Doom refuse to launch if voice is active? 19.34.58 # We need a method to programmatically disable voice temporarily, for plugins using iram 19.35.02 # While I've played one first person shooter designed for the blind, Doom wasn't it. 19.35.17 # set the voice menus to off, just like recording 19.36.29 # That simple? 19.36.40 # yup, that's all it does 19.36.51 # hmm 19.37.07 # * amiconn would like if voice could continue to function during recording on swcodec 19.37.52 # it probably could with work...been in my head. Would we like voiced mixed with monitoring or to just pop in and monitoring off? 19.37.58 Join webguest69 [0] (i=528c30fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f5f08a435a838467) 19.38.03 # jhMikeS: The plugin would have to remember the setting and reset it properly on exit I guess? 19.38.07 # yes 19.38.19 # that's all recording does 19.38.47 # hello there 19.38.56 # For backlight it's easier as it's actually set by a (firmware level function). No need to change the global_settings entry, and hence the remembering is automatic 19.39.16 # Hi 19.40.00 # jhMikeS: I guess mixing in would be difficult, and even impossible with s/pdif monitoring of an s/pdif recording source, as that's pass-through 19.40.07 # amiconn: yes, it's all just that atm 19.40.54 # well, we could play the received pcm back out but the rates won't nescessarily match...definitely not for 48k and we can't play that out 19.40.57 # Hello 19.41.24 # webguest69: That's the third time you've said something like "Hello". This isn't really a social channel, did you have a specific question? 19.41.28 # Yes, as we can't use the s/pdif input clock 19.41.58 # Well I have a question about the e200 rockbox if this is the place to ask it? 19.42.00 # I always hated that design flaw :P 19.42.10 # OMG that webclient damn lags behind :) 19.42.13 Quit robin0800 (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!") 19.42.33 # Anyways, just a quick question: When will the recorder v1 daily builds be fixed? 19.42.33 # Yes, especially as the coldfire allows to measure the s/pdif clock.... 19.42.34 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc1-brig8-0-0-cust753.brig.cable.ntl.com) 19.42.35 Join webguest22 [0] (i=4245d2c2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4c64efe3b7a6cd0e) 19.42.44 Quit webguest22 (Client Quit) 19.42.48 Part robin0800 19.42.54 # i6zl: This is #rockbox, yes. 19.43.08 # webguest69: "Fixed" how? 19.43.27 # webguest69: They are ok... 19.43.52 # anyone knows how i can acces the backdrop buffer from a plugin? 19.43.53 # Ok, I had made a thread http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11587 about a screen problem I had, and how it affected both the rockbox firmware and the existing firmware after the rockbox install, and i was just wondering if it was already known 19.44.06 # i know on the rockbox site it says not to report bugs for new ports, so i didnt do it there 19.44.38 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc1-brig8-0-0-cust753.brig.cable.ntl.com) 19.45.47 Join vcardenas [0] (i=9dfd0e52@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-78a6d38c6a6bb9a0) 19.46.24 Quit hcs (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 19.46.28 # i6zl: It's known. What's the newest version of Rockbox you've tried with, though? 19.47.01 Quit robin0800 (Client Quit) 19.47.11 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc1-brig8-0-0-cust753.brig.cable.ntl.com) 19.47.58 # uhh, I used the 3/17 build...with the .exe file that was posted on the anythingbutipod forums... I tried to use the beta installer on the rockbox site but a link was broken to a file needed. 19.48.02 Quit webguest69 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 19.48.51 # i6zl: Try with the current build. The LCD driver has been updated, though I don't know if it'll fix that problem. 19.49.07 # Just use the "Installing the Firmware" instructions in the manual 19.49.23 # alright, what's the best way to remove my current build? 19.49.41 # You just overwrite it. 19.49.50 # In the end, you're just extracting a new rockbox.zip to the player. 19.50.02 # alright. i'll try it and tell you how it goes. 19.50.37 # Actually, that won't fix it. 19.50.44 # really? 19.50.47 # Because you'd need a new bootloader too. 19.50.52 # oh. 19.51.01 # Heck, I have no way of knowing which bootloader you have installed, because you used some unofficial installer. 19.51.10 # Really, you should always be following the instructions in the manual. 19.51.39 # you're right, that's my fault, uhh, i can remove the old one real fast, i did it earlier. 19.51.52 # Well, I don't think there's a bootloader with the new code yet. 19.52.16 # alright, well then i'll just wait for a little bit. 19.52.32 # its not really too bad of a problem 19.52.35 # But you might want to try the current official bootloader anyway. 19.52.54 # hmm where is that found at? manual again? 19.52.57 # Yes 19.53.54 # i'm going to completely clear my e200, probably would make it easier to start from scratch 19.54.31 # Not necessarily... 19.54.57 Part Llorean 19.56.17 Part i6zl 19.57.21 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 19.58.39 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.78.35) 20.03.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.04.58 Quit chrisjs169|brb (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.05.01 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@m145.net195-132-203.noos.fr) 20.05.10 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 20.05.27 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@rockbox/administrator/Llorean) 20.07.31 Join JavaMan22 [0] (n=HP_Admin@c-24-61-91-138.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) 20.09.36 # Bagder: have you found time to look at my patch ? 20.11.23 Quit Vyrus001 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.11.36 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.12.17 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 20.12.22 Join Vyrus001 [0] (n=Vyrus001@adsl-69-231-49-185.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) 20.13.50 Join wLLm [0] (n=w1ll14m@84-104-81-208.cable.quicknet.nl) 20.14.33 Quit w1ll14m (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.16.23 Quit hcs ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") 20.19.29 # is it possible to choose a list of games for doom? 20.19.54 # i just renamed my counterstrike to doom.wad and it worked but why cant it detect a different wad? 20.21.28 # Read how to use addons... 20.21.55 Join efyx [0] (n=efyx@fac34-5-82-239-138-213.fbx.proxad.net) 20.22.31 # The wads doom looks for are: 20.22.38 # it only looks for certain files 20.23.49 # I repeat: read how to use addons 20.24.37 # Rockbox only looks for certain MAIN wads, because the main ones should always be the commercial versions of Doom. 20.24.55 # We added Freedoom to that list because it's intended to be a main wad, and can be used to launch various Doom2 addons. 20.25.08 # But it can see an addons, it doesn't have a set list. 20.27.43 Quit ShaunES (Remote closed the connection) 20.27.46 # ok 20.28.13 # do these guidelines still apply ? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SubmitWPS 20.30.11 # Nico_P: I believe so 20.31.51 # Llorean: I was under the impression that the wiki or www.rockbox-themes.org were a better place for WPSes 20.32.49 Join windminstrel [0] (i=windmins@god.isadouchebag.net) 20.32.56 # Nico_P: Yes. Those submitted by SubmitWPS may be rejected. 20.33.02 Nick windminstrel is now known as ShaunES (i=windmins@god.isadouchebag.net) 20.33.27 # It's not for every WPS, it's for a selection of included WPSes. 20.33.57 # Llorean: I don't get what you mean 20.34.44 # Nico_P: For WPS authors who feel their WPS is suitable for being included in the rockbox.zip for a particular player, basically for trying to become one of the few "official" WPSes, that's what that form is for. 20.34.47 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 20.36.12 # ok, so we can close WPS tasks ? I suppose if someone had wanted them in CVS/SVN, they'd be in by now 20.37.16 # Yeah. 20.37.23 # Llorean its not working 20.37.36 # i have a counterstrike wad i put it in addons 20.37.48 # and when i play the game i get errors 20.38.24 # You can not -file with the shareware version. 20.39.17 # JavaMan22: read the error message, it doesnt work with the shareware version.. you need fullversion 20.40.14 # JavaMan22: Try selecting Doom or Doom2 or Freedoom as the "Game" rather than the shareware version... 20.40.15 # whats a shareware version doom1? 20.40.31 # oh 20.40.50 # why doesnt it say doomshare instead of doom1 20.41.02 # nvm 20.41.03 # haha 20.41.18 # Because the file is doom1.wad, and we assume that you actually read what files you're downloading. 20.41.18 Join thunderpick [0] (n=thunderp@Vd311.v.pppool.de) 20.42.01 Join entheh [0] (n=purr@88-106-136-227.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 20.43.02 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 20.43.50 # aaarrrg...... the sun isnt even up yet and i am :'( 20.46.39 Quit bagawk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.48.47 # hello. have anybody some informations about the status for the ipod 80 gb?? 20.49.27 # it says This is not the registered verison. 20.49.47 # in the forums there is only one thread for this topic. 20.50.05 # and it's frozzen now. 20.51.01 # thunderpick: And if you read the very very last post in the thread, it tells you everything you need to know about the status. 20.51.22 # JavaMan22: Using which version of Doom? 20.53.05 # doom.wad 20.53.27 # @Llorean: yes but it's not too much :-) you written it on 2/2/07 20.54.05 # JavaMan22: And is that doom.wad a commercial version of Doom? When you play it on its own, what episodes are available and work? 20.54.14 # hehe 20.54.27 # i dont know where i got doom.wad 20.54.28 # thunderpick: Just because it's not much doesn't mean it's not true, and not the whole story. It says clearly there that further discussion is not needed. 20.54.41 # JavaMan22: Please do not illegally download commercial games. 20.54.42 # it was from ipl when i was trying to install wad games 20.54.52 # JavaMan22: You should go out and buy Doom at a store, and support artists who work on these games. 20.55.00 # i didnt steal 20.55.04 # >:o 20.55.06 # Doom.wad, the real one, is not something that can be legally downloaded 20.55.12 # If you downloaded Doom.wad, you did steal. 20.55.16 # i renamed it to doom.wad 20.55.21 # its actually doom1.wad 20.55.23 # Well that obviously won't work. 20.55.29 # Renaming a file does not change what the file is. 20.55.40 # how can i play counterstrike then with doom1.wad 20.55.44 # You cannot. 20.55.49 # i did with ipl 20.55.50 # As I said earlier, try using freedoom. 20.55.57 # freedom is free? 20.56.00 # Yes 20.56.06 # We even provide it in the Extras zip for doom. 20.56.17 # but how can i play all these different wads on ipl? 20.56.28 Nick Stefan is now known as SliMM (n=chatzill@89.136.181.105) 20.56.43 # preglow, Slasheri: is it possible to flush the main core's cache from the cop and vice versa? 20.57.07 # amiconn: i think so 20.57.11 # JavaMan22: For all I know, iPL ignores the registered-version requirement, in which case many wads might crash at certain points, or has other differences. 20.57.39 # Llorean: is a discussion about the 80gb taboo? 20.57.53 # thunderpick: It's not taboo, just mostly pointless. 20.57.54 # Slasheri: if that is possible, the file access can be protected from corruption as follows: 20.57.54 # oh ok 20.57.58 # then i will get freedom 20.58.04 # thunderpick: Asking about it is not going to make it happen any more quickly, now is it? 20.58.13 # JavaMan22: freedoom, two Os 20.58.55 # two Os? 20.58.58 # The code needs to store which core accessed the file api last. Whenever the new access happens on a different core, this new access first needs to flush the other core's cache and then its own before continuing 20.59.13 Join |Rincewind| [0] (i=dDaOMXif@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 20.59.13 # JavaMan22: the letter o, twice 20.59.22 # ooohhh 20.59.47 # amiconn: hmm, indeed 21.00.05 Quit _Veseliq_ (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.02.11 # And since this switching certainly doesn't happen often, the performance impact should be neglectible 21.04.16 # Slasheri: is this now going to be a single scheduler for both cores? 21.04.25 Part pixelma 21.06.40 # ok it works now :) 21.06.53 Quit JavaMan22 ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") 21.07.04 # Hmm, it also means the whole file access needs to be mutexed ... :\ 21.07.27 # Multi-core issues can certainly cause headaches :( 21.07.28 Quit mirak (Remote closed the connection) 21.08.35 # we'll have no reason to just not go with preemptive multitasking soon :P 21.08.44 # eurrrgh 21.09.53 # * amiconn thinks it would probably be easier to separate threads so that only codecs run on the cop, without file access 21.10.41 # PP is pretty much a special case, since all other targets are single core 21.14.54 # note: recording codecs do access the file system but only on the pcmrec thread. recording code gets called on both. 21.16.16 # ...and also some limited encoding is also done on pcmrec 21.17.44 # it could be mutexed for a couple instances in mp3_enc.codec. mostly none needed. 21.18.49 # jhMikeS: nope, but cores are locked so that no kernel routines / scheduling can happen on both cores at the same time 21.19.03 # Any of the developers need/want a 3rd Gen iPod to work on its "kinks"? 21.19.17 Nick wLLm is now known as w1ll14mn (n=w1ll14m@84-104-81-208.cable.quicknet.nl) 21.19.20 Nick w1ll14mn is now known as w1ll14m (n=w1ll14m@84-104-81-208.cable.quicknet.nl) 21.19.44 # Soap: Freebie? 21.19.52 Join Domonoky_ [0] (n=Domonoky@p549AE8A4.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.20.07 # jhMikeS: That'd certainly qualify as a low-performance ARM target. ;) 21.20.24 # jhMikeS: yea, if the seller shows tonight for another Craigslist item, they said they'll throw in a 3rd gen, 10GB "with issues". 21.20.25 # That's what I hear. :) 21.21.02 # * jhMikeS isn't into psychoanalyzing DAPs :P 21.21.05 # so yea, I'd offer it free. 21.21.22 # I'll take it...and cover shipping for it 21.22.01 # but get back on me if it's irreparably damaged or something 21.22.05 # to me 21.22.17 # I'll get back with you tonight after the planned meetup and tell you if "issues" = dead battery/drive or "dropped off a cliff". 21.22.33 # ok 21.23.52 Part thunderpick ("Verlassend") 21.24.20 Nick qwx is now known as qwm (n=qwm@h162n1fls34o1010.telia.com) 21.24.21 # It's frustrating that the gigabeat isn't slow enough...:P 21.24.26 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 21.24.47 Part vcardenas 21.24.55 # jhMikeS: Hehe, a 3G will be the opposite. It's even slower than the PP502x devices 21.25.19 # * LinusN listens to Nightwish on his Gigabeat F40 :-) 21.26.41 # * Slasheri listens Swallow the Sun on his 5.5G and decoding on COP :) 21.29.26 # Seems like the ata sleep fix doesn't help at all :( 21.29.36 # amiconn: :-( 21.30.32 Join ipodvideo60g [0] (i=47c0369a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5d93807cd088f886) 21.30.32 # And somehow battery runtime on coldfire has gotten worse compared to June 2006 21.31.27 # LinusN: you just got your gigabeat ? 21.31.37 # * jhMikeS runs away 21.31.38 # yup 21.32.02 # LinusN: it's not slow enough is it? :) 21.32.19 # * amiconn wonders what might have caused this 21.32.38 # * jhMikeS runs faster ... just in case 21.33.19 # amiconn: I think you should get a gigabeat :) 21.33.26 # Low bat shutdown sacrifices 20 minutes. Different starting voltage explains another 13 minutes 21.33.35 Quit thegeek (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.33.57 # Still leaves nearly 2 hours to explain... (H300) 21.34.19 # Nico_P: Certainly not 21.34.20 # Well, June was the month before I arrived on the scene :P 21.34.33 Join Moos [0] (i=Moos@m135.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 21.34.34 # erm whats that on the right: 21.34.35 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/RockboxUtility/rbutil-themes.JPG 21.34.55 # amiconn: i kinda was expecting an answer like that... why ? 21.35.08 # LinusN: have you by any chance looked at my tokenizer patch ? 21.35.11 # duh, its an WPS 21.35.14 # nevermind 21.35.25 # The gigabeat is overpowered, and has a too-high resolution and colour display 21.35.34 # Nico_P: nope, but i don't like the idea with the plugin 21.35.54 # amiconn: how are these disadvantages ? 21.35.57 # gosh, the EQ clips like hell, even with plenty of precut 21.36.03 Join decayedcell_ [0] (n=decayed_@ppp94-34.lns1.mel4.internode.on.net) 21.36.07 # * jhMikeS likes the high res 21.36.10 # bass/treble too 21.36.42 # LinusN: you have nothing against the tokenizing, though ? 21.36.52 # no, not really 21.36.53 # Nico_P: Most colour lcds are unreadable without backlight (there are some exceptions, but these don't include the gigabeat afaik) 21.37.19 # I like my displays to be readable without wasting battery... and I really don't need colour on a dap 21.37.32 # anyone feel up to walking me through how to convert a mac ipod to fat32 on a mac? I've been unable to get it working. 21.37.50 # ...and I don't need high resolutions either 21.37.56 # amiconn: good point. I never had a real DAP without a color screen so that wasn't a worry for me but I understand your concern 21.38.14 Quit Domonoky (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.38.36 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b9a4a.ucd.ie) 21.38.37 # If I wanted colour because of video I would buy a PMP, but I have no interest in those 21.39.46 # Colour lcd and video support in rockbox is still interesting coding-wise, but usage-wise I prefer mono/ greyscale displays any day for mobile devices 21.40.09 # LinusN: ?? different than other arm targets? 21.40.09 Quit ipodvideo60g ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.40.16 # Only 25% of my targets are colour... 21.40.52 # amiconn would be happy with a 1x1 display that blinked everything out in binary :D 21.40.59 # nah 21.41.01 Quit decayedcell_ (Remote closed the connection) 21.41.18 Join decayedcell_ [0] (n=decayed_@ppp94-34.lns1.mel4.internode.on.net) 21.41.31 # jhMikeS: haven't listened seriously to my ipods for a while 21.41.39 # jhMikeS: but this is horrible 21.42.17 # I'm checking it out and it does seem a bit too clippy, yes. Coldfire doesn't seem to saturate so easily. 21.42.28 Part decayedcell_ 21.43.38 # Looking at my various greyscale and mono targets, I like the mini's lcd most 21.44.07 # Nice backlight, about the right size and not too slow panel 21.44.09 # amiconn: ok I can realise that battery time is very important to you but afaik Fx has about 30 hours of playback time if I am not mistaken 21.44.28 # Battery time isn't that important to me... 21.44.32 # XavierGr: 20hours. 21.44.37 # ah thought it was 30 21.44.43 # XavierGr: And it's display is HORRIBLE without backlight. 21.44.55 # But I don't like wasting it 21.45.04 # yeah but why not to use backlight when you see the screen? 21.45.18 # Both the H300 and the X5 lcd are pitch black without backlight 21.45.29 # amiconn: The Gigabeat isn't, but it's very close to it. 21.45.39 # even on my H100 when I look at the screen on cloudy days I will turn up the backlight 21.45.49 # gigabeat is visible in full sunlight 21.45.51 # hell the backlight turns on itself when I press a button :p 21.46.00 # XavierGr: Because I would have to press a button to make it light up. It's certainly more convenient to be able to read the display at a quick glance without touching the unit 21.46.24 # amiconn: the only time that you need to read the display is while navigating or while a new song changes 21.46.35 # and that's why caption backlight exists (IMHO always) 21.46.41 # ...especially when doing other things while listening to music and having wet / dirty hands or such 21.47.10 # hcs: just _barely_ 21.47.42 # amiconn: rotfl 21.47.50 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s026b.studby.ntnu.no) 21.48.47 # I know that there are colour lcd panels which are readable without backlight (e.g. the blackberry 82xx series has those), and wonder why so few devices use them 21.48.53 # * jhMikeS sees too much as innuendo 21.49.07 Join wLLm [0] (n=w1ll14m@84-104-81-208.cable.quicknet.nl) 21.49.11 # amiconn: meybe they are expensive? 21.49.15 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 21.49.15 # maybe even 21.49.33 # Isn't the ipod video lcd also one of those? 21.49.45 # still 20 hours for a unit that has such a powerfull cpu and great display, I think it is better for all other devices if you are not inrested in recording or radio 21.49.57 # (which is why I think that H300 is still better than gigabeat) 21.49.58 Join billytwowilly [0] (n=chris@S01060016b649355d.ed.shawcable.net) 21.50.02 # oh and USB OTG 21.50.11 # I am interested in radio... and recording (but the latter not very much) 21.51.05 # the gigabeat OF was confusing at best :-) 21.51.10 Quit robin0800 (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 21.51.11 # the gigabeat is kind of slim though and I like the controller on it...I can move really fast through menus with it. 21.51.17 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc1-brig8-0-0-cust753.brig.cable.ntl.com) 21.52.06 Part LinusN 21.54.26 # the gigabeat needs a larger sys font though 21.54.51 # nimbus 14 looks sort of good on it 21.55.42 # jhMikeS: nearly all targets except archos need a larger sys font 21.55.44 # yes 21.55.58 # nimbus 14 looks cool on H300 too 21.56.22 # XavierGr: sure, anything with thehigher res screens...x5 is fine as it is 21.56.33 Join chrisjs169 [0] (n=Jack@unaffiliated/chrisjs169) 21.57.25 # On gigabeat it's like tiny ants... 21.57.48 # It depends on pixel density 21.57.48 # on ipod video I imagine too 21.58.04 Join webguest51 [0] (i=47c0369a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e2f2758f24b26df3) 21.58.06 Quit webguest51 (Remote closed the connection) 21.58.08 # yes 21.58.22 Join ipodvideo60g [0] (i=47c0369a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6c628dbb6ca69904) 21.58.32 # The GB screen is pretty small for its res 21.58.36 # On M5, the sysfont is quite small as well 21.58.48 # ...significantly smaller than on X5 21.59.03 # What's the display resolution on that? 21.59.06 # ...even though both displays have the same resolution 21.59.09 # ??? 21.59.19 # ...but not the same physical size 21.59.26 # right 21.59.52 # hard to tell from the photos on the front 22.00.16 Quit w1ll14m (Connection timed out) 22.00.29 # does anyone have experience converting a mac ipod to fat32 on a mac? 22.01.21 Quit robin0800 (" Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 22.01.28 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc1-brig8-0-0-cust753.brig.cable.ntl.com) 22.01.35 # "the front" of course being the build table page 22.03.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.03.46 # jhMikeS: If you want to compare: The front glass of X5 and M5 have the same size. The border between the edge of this glass and the edge of the lcd has different width 22.04.38 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/DeviceChart/iaudiom5.jpg 22.04.57 Quit Llorean ("Leaving.") 22.05.28 # This is an actual scan. I also have the full size version in case you want it ;) 22.06.07 Quit ipodvideo60g ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.06.32 Join Redbreva_ [0] (n=chatzill@host86-134-208-199.range86-134.btcentralplus.com) 22.06.36 # well, if it's the same size as an x5, the image on the screen matches it perfectly 22.07.00 # or you mean a super hires file? :) 22.07.17 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.07.27 # 5000dpi? :P 22.07.51 Quit Redbreva_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.08.15 # barrywardell: can I look forward to updated precompiled bootloaders now or are there still some errors to be fixed first? 22.08.16 Join Redbreva_ [0] (n=chatzill@host86-134-208-199.range86-134.btcentralplus.com) 22.08.45 Join w1ll14m [0] (n=w1ll14m@84-104-81-208.cable.quicknet.nl) 22.08.45 # i'm just testing them now, then I'm gonna ask someone to upload them :) 22.08.52 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 22.08.54 # :D 22.09.28 # jhMikeS: Nah, just 300dpi. A bit less than 2MB 22.09.36 # ...as PNG 22.09.55 # that's one shows it perfectly though being actual size 22.10.08 # Bagder: anything else new but the support of encrypted mi4s? 22.10.40 # Arathis: was that meant for me? 22.10.51 # I think x5 should have had a few more pixels...it's a bit gritty 22.11.00 # barrywardell: eh, yes. sorry 22.11.06 # they also don't update the screen unless a button is pressed or there is an error 22.11.38 # so no messages while booting anymore? 22.11.38 Quit Redbreva_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.11.38 # and will allow us to move to mi4 format for the rockbox.h10 file 22.11.49 # Arathis: not unless a button is pressed, no 22.12.03 Join Redbreva_ [0] (n=chatzill@host86-134-208-199.range86-134.btcentralplus.com) 22.12.07 # mi4 format for the rockbox.h10? why that? 22.12.28 # just for consistency really 22.14.14 Part perl|work 22.15.06 # barrywardell: will the rockbox.mi4 be included in the rockbox.zip instead of the *.h10? 22.15.18 # yes, that's the plan 22.15.40 # hopefully it will be a seamless change 22.16.37 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/2007021917]") 22.17.02 # oh, and if I remember correctly the OF.bin has to be renamed to OF.mi4? 22.18.09 # oh, need change some things in my rockbox-update.sh :D 22.19.01 # new bootloadername and -location and new name for the OF. not much to change though 22.19.03 # no, OF.bin will still work as is 22.19.11 # oh, oaky 22.19.17 # *okay 22.19.19 # but it will first look for OF.mi4 22.19.32 Join Icone [0] (i=Icone@modemcable223.175-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 22.20.04 # for a new install, you could just rename H10.mi4 to OF.mi4, download the rockbox H10.mi4, and unzip rockbox.zip 22.20.12 # amiconn: what was the backlight-on runtime of the m5l anyway? 22.20.34 # Hi, can someone help me for tell my step by step how to make run the Mpeg player on the F20 plz ? :S 22.20.43 # 36h 14 min 22.21.15 # wow ! 22.21.37 # we have the device with the best runtime ther :) 22.21.38 Quit Entasis ("Leaving") 22.22.00 # I'm suprised you didn't disable the auto poweroff for the tests first 22.22.24 Quit wLLm (Connection timed out) 22.22.31 # amiconn: did you made an x5 one? 22.23.03 # jhMikeS: ?? 22.23.13 Join DarkSoul [0] (n=frozen_n@ylknnt180-177.theedge.ca) 22.23.32 # Moos: I made various X5 runtime tests. Without backlight, and with backlight brigthness 1, 5, 10 and 13 22.23.34 # I'm just saying to let the battery drain to the point the pmu shuts it off and not software 22.23.37 Quit Redbreva (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.24.02 # amiconn: wiki? 22.24.08 # jhMikeS: Hmm, that would only make a few minutes difference 22.24.23 # ok 22.24.32 # Voltage is dropping quite fast towards the end of the discharge curve 22.25.22 Join newbie [0] (i=7d19be01@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1f99dd6ea29a466d) 22.25.40 # how do i watch videos in my ipod video 22.25.41 # * amiconn made a total of 38 runtime tests on various targets so far 22.26.06 Quit Icone () 22.26.07 # wow ! 22.26.08 # Some were done with the old battery_test, so times aren't right but the curve is 22.27.51 # 3 tests were done with battery_test, on Ondio SP 22.29.21 # amiconn: then you can probably adjust things for x5 for better time remaining estimation, batt icon...? 22.29.25 # Pluginmpegplayer ?? where is this on rockbox? 22.29.46 # amiconn: really inaccurate in his current state from the start 22.29.53 # Moos: yes 22.30.03 # newbie: PluginMpegPlayer is a wiki page in the rockbox wiki, read that! 22.30.41 # badger: ok 22.32.08 # jhMikeS: Regarding low-voltage shutdown: I have some old battery_bench logs of H340 and H140 from before low-voltage shutdown 22.32.08 # any idea why my battery drains really fast? 22.32.13 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p549670b7.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.32.18 Part DarkSoul 22.32.18 Join DarkSoul [0] (n=frozen_n@ylknnt180-177.theedge.ca) 22.33.10 # Voltage falls from 3.5V to ~3.3V (the hardware shutdown voltage) in about 20 minutes for no-backlight tests. Compared to 19..20 hours runtime this isn't much 22.33.23 # true 22.33.35 # badger: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer it doen't saay anything about how do i get it? 22.33.37 # On M5 it might be an hour... 22.33.43 # M5L even 22.33.45 # newbie: it comes with rockbox 22.33.56 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 22.34.39 # badger: where is it located? i looked on my plugins and found nothing? 22.37.32 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.37.49 Quit desowin ("use linux") 22.37.52 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 22.37.52 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.38.21 # barrywardell: Why does the pp bootloader contain its own crc32 implementation instead of using the one in the firmware library? 22.39.15 # where is PluginMpegplayer located in rockbox 22.39.38 # amiconn: It's copied from sansapatcher. i didn't realise there was one in the firmware library 22.41.39 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@24-117-195-16.cpe.cableone.net) 22.41.56 # well, they're quite different 22.42.05 # ok, trying to get rockbox to compile, but it keeps complaining about the arm-elf-gcc. I am adding some extra gcc packages in hopes it will finally work (on linux). Do I have to redo rockboxdev.sh? 22.42.16 # they have different "polynomials" 22.42.23 # and the firmware one uses tables for that 22.42.30 # so it not usable for sansa 22.42.33 # it is 22.43.01 # newbie: On the page you were pointed to, read the 3rd paragraph of the introduction... "To play a video file" 22.43.14 # Alonea: redo? did you run it once already? 22.43.44 # The pp bootloader crc32 calculates the table at runtime 22.43.51 # yes 22.44.01 # with a different polynomial 22.44.08 # Bagder: yeah. and I tried compiling again, and it said no arm-elf-gcc, so adding gcc packages besides the basic ones. Will I have to delete the folder it made and do it all over again? 22.44.20 # Is the polynomial chosen by us, or does it have to match something? 22.44.33 # Nico_P: why did you reject my patch for adding a rwps to the zezayer theme? 22.44.40 # amiconn: the sansa one has to match, so that it makes the same crc32 the mi4 uses 22.44.48 # aha 22.44.52 # it's incomplete in its current state (and I will look into it once I find time) 22.44.53 # I'm not sure if the firmware one needs to match anything 22.45.23 # for consistency, it should match the same one as the OF 22.45.32 # Alonea: and you set the path to the installed compiler after rockboxdev.sh ran? 22.45.52 # The firmware one doesn't, but if we change the polynomial there, (1) the database audio file crcs become invalid, (2) the archos rom crcs would need to be recalculated 22.46.07 # crc32 is used on archos to detect the boot rom type 22.46.38 # Bagder: I don't know how to. I didn't see any intructions in the wiki for us poor linux users who actually don't know everything. I think last time I just had to run that and it worked fine. (i just reinstalled my entire system...) 22.46.45 # so we're better to just stick to two separate implementations? 22.46.51 # yes I think so 22.47.08 Join hardeep [0] (n=hardeep@71.202.87.239) 22.47.31 # Maybe add a comment tp the pp bootloader crc32 implementation 22.48.47 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=steve-o@adsl-65-64-200-170.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 22.48.50 Quit SliMM ("Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.10/2007021601]") 22.48.53 # saying that it needs that specific polynomial? 22.49.06 # yes 22.50.04 # OK. I have another commit coming up shortly, so I'll include the comment in that 22.50.34 # an alternative would be to have an init function that generates the tables with a given input polynomial 22.50.50 # but that would only make it bigger 22.52.04 Quit hardeep ("Leaving") 22.52.29 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@adsl-69-214-19-15.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) 22.52.36 # The crc32 implementation in firmware also has a space saving implementation for low-mem targets that only uses a lookup table for 4 bits at a time (64 byte table) instead of 8 bits at a time (1KB table) 22.53.28 # Hmm, it *only* has that 22.54.27 # Now I remember... I tried the 1KB table version for database (tagcache at that time) with no performance benefit... 22.59.07 # bluebrother: sorry, i didn't look close enough... i was closing WPS entries 22.59.58 # Ok, when I click on the amarok icon, it does the bouncy symbol thing, but doesn't load. If I load it in the terminal as user it says "Updating database" thing and doesn't load. If I load it in the terminal as root, it loads fine. 23.00.08 # gomen!!!!!!!!! wrong channel 23.00.13 Part Alonea 23.01.13 Quit SirFunk (Connection timed out) 23.04.33 Quit DarkSoul () 23.10.43 Quit BHSPitLappy (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 23.13.12 # wehn i clicked on database or something ROLO loads stuff wats that btw? 23.15.52 # i got no idea wat i am doing 23.16.35 Nick w1ll14m is now known as w1ll14m_ (n=w1ll14m@84-104-81-208.cable.quicknet.nl) 23.18.03 Quit oKtosiTe (Remote closed the connection) 23.18.23 Quit robin0800 (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC has never been so good") 23.18.32 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc1-brig8-0-0-cust753.brig.cable.ntl.com) 23.19.53 # * barrywardell is having a lot of oops'es 23.20.26 Quit newbie ("CGI:IRC") 23.21.35 # Bagder: can I send you some new H10 bootloaders for download.rockbox.org? 23.21.42 # sure! 23.23.04 # Bagder: sent! 23.23.16 # markun: Unicode range 0xe000..0xf8ff is reserved for private use... so I would think this would be a good place to put the player icons and runtime-definable characters. What do you think? 23.23.26 # "The .e200 was somehow placed in the .rockbox folder. I moved it to the root folder " 23.23.28 # hehe 23.23.31 Join munroe [0] (n=munroe@CPE000f3d505cab-CM0011ae8a8546.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 23.23.45 # (http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11686) 23.23.53 # fortunately, it doesn't matter :) 23.24.18 # yeah, I just liked the assumption that he knows better than the zip 23.24.26 # Bagder: We're capable of writing a replacement firmware for a variety of DAPs, but not putting a zip file together... 23.24.48 Quit Frode_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.24.55 # lol 23.25.28 # Bagder: Concerning the .zips from around noon today, this assumption would have been correct for archos... 23.25.40 # hehe, indeed 23.26.12 Quit robin0800 (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- 100,000+ downloads can't be wrong") 23.26.19 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc1-brig8-0-0-cust753.brig.cable.ntl.com) 23.26.22 Quit petur ("sssssssssss---------PLOP!") 23.26.44 Join jeeb [0] (n=br4d3n@bas3-sudbury98-1168055319.dsl.bell.ca) 23.28.00 # hey, sorry if this is a stupid question... howcome there's no download of rockbox for the sansa available? 23.28.05 # barrywardell: uploaded 23.28.15 # thanks, now to update the instructions! 23.29.06 # jeeb: wait a few minutes 23.29.07 # How well does the Sansa's wheel work compared to iPod for example (not just in Rockbox)? 23.29.36 Quit Redbreva_ ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/2007021917]") 23.29.54 # thanks bagder 23.29.55 Quit barrywardell () 23.30.08 Join tyotourist [0] (i=ddba59a3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5cabd9d2949f93dc) 23.30.33 # dmdfan: some people say the wheel feels cheap but I perfer mine to the nano's 23.30.42 # I liked my nano 23.30.50 # Hi, is there any way i can change what files the "Disktidy" plugin cleans/deletes ? 23.31.35 # jeeb: Ok, only tried demo player (not functional) didn't really liked it 23.31.37 # Is it normal for the sansa port to lag a bit? 23.31.41 # When music is playing. 23.33.13 Join qwx [0] (n=qwm@h162n1fls34o1010.telia.com) 23.34.30 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@24-117-195-16.cpe.cableone.net) 23.35.24 # Bagder: ok, I am still trying to get it to compile and I think I got the path thing figured out and when I do echo $PATH it says /usr/local/arm-elf/bin:/usr/local/arm-elf/bin:/home/alonea/jdk1.6.0/bin:/home/alonea/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games so, why is it still not working? 23.35.50 # what does it say? 23.36.18 # Bagder: when I try to do ../tools/configure? 23.36.53 # the problem you get 23.37.22 # Bagder: Using source code root directory: /home/alonea/rockbox 23.37.24 # ../tools/configure: 1471: arm-elf-gcc: not found 23.37.25 # WARNING: The compiler you must use (arm-elf-gcc) is not in your path! 23.37.40 # and if you type 'arm-elf-gcc --version' in the shell prompt? 23.37.42 # and the path I exported was the one that rockboxdev.sh told me to do 23.38.17 # Bagder: arm-elf-gcc (GCC) 4.0.3 plus the copyright info 23.38.47 # has anybody idea how ipod text viewer should look like? 23.38.59 # s/ipod/the rockbox/ 23.39.08 # Alonea: hm, then I really don't understand why it doesn't work... 23.39.17 Quit ompaul (Nick collision from services.) 23.39.47 # Bagder: me neither...unless rockboxdev.sh told me the wrong path to make it to? 23.40.05 # then you wouldn't be able to run the compiler on the prompt 23.40.15 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul) 23.40.42 # Bagder: ah, and I double checked the folder and its there... 23.40.58 Quit hcs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.41.19 Quit printfXh4 (Read error: 148 (No route to host)) 23.42.24 Join funky_ [0] (n=repulse@81.202.252.163.dyn.user.ono.com) 23.44.38 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 23.44.45 # * Alonea kills computer violently for disobeying 23.46.22 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.49.17 Part tyotourist 23.53.06 Nick funky_ is now known as funky (n=repulse@81.202.252.163.dyn.user.ono.com) 23.54.15 Join bagawk [0] (n=lee@unaffiliated/bagawk) 23.54.24 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@cpe-74-71-205-222.twcny.res.rr.com) 23.55.54 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-250-134.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 23.55.57 Quit Rick (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.58.39 Join hc1 [0] (n=agashlin@nat01-silvers-ext.Rutgers.EDU)