--- Log for 23.03.107 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 4 days and 21 hours ago 00.00.06 # i discovered rockbox while browsing misticriver for further news, i think 00.00.22 # I really wanted an H120 back when they were new, and then the day I decided I wanted one I went to buy one and they had switched to the H3xx series 00.00.25 # They said that? :) 00.00.33 # and the H1xx series was pulled off store shelves everywhere :/ 00.00.50 # linuxstb: yeah, that and ogg vorbis is pretty much what made me go h120 00.01.15 # The iriver firmware couldn't even play my single WMA file (it's 48KHz) 00.01.30 # OK, it looks like I'm building now... it sure does take awhile to generate the build. To start, I'd just like to create builds from the current SVN with the album art patch applied. 00.01.42 # linuxstb: it played my single wma file fine :) 00.01.52 # I then transcoded it to vorbis, and it couldn't play that either... I then gave up and waited for Rockbox. 00.02.12 Join rotator_ [0] (n=e@74-139-214-69.dhcp.insightbb.com) 00.02.39 # you were involved since before swcodec time, yes? 00.03.14 # I was involved very little right at the start of the Archos work, but then disappeared until swcodec started. 00.03.25 # i didn't even know rockbox existed before that 00.03.43 # yeah, you're a fairly early show in CREDITS :) 00.04.09 # I'm working throught the "working with patches" page. Do I need "patch for windows" to do this? 00.04.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.05.06 Join mattzz [0] (n=mattzz@e177167142.adsl.alicedsl.de) 00.06.25 # using an ipod with rockbox, it is stuck on a song in the player. i tried to restart the ipod, i am going out in the menu and back, i try to choose other songs, but now it just puts them in queue 00.07.03 # woodensoul: Are you in cygwin? 00.07.39 # OLaSparO: What do you mean by "stuck on a song"? 00.08.11 # OLaSparO: If it's repeating, then it sounds like you have "Repeat 1" enabled, and if every selected song is queued, it sounds like you've enabled Party Mode. I strongly suggest you have a look at the manual. 00.09.31 Quit woodensoul ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 00.09.47 Join woodensoul [0] (i=4856537a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-677e3034f8f95f07) 00.09.54 # Yes, in cygwin. 00.10.15 # Then you may have the patch program installed already - what happens if you just type "patch" at the cygwin prompt? 00.10.16 Join safetydan [0] (i=cbca159f@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 00.11.03 # well, my problem is mainly that no songs will start. you were right about the party mode, now it is deselected 00.11.36 # No songs will start? What happens when you select a song, then? 00.12.29 # after a restart once again it went fine 00.12.40 # I installed the patch program while waiting for the lag. 00.12.42 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc1-brig8-0-0-cust419.brig.cable.ntl.com) 00.14.03 # I typed patch at the cygwin prompt and the cursor just jumps to the next line and flashes, is it doing anything? 00.14.33 # Press CTRL+C 00.14.46 # It's waiting for input... But it means it's installed OK. 00.18.33 Quit rotator (Nick collision from services.) 00.18.38 Nick rotator_ is now known as rotator (n=e@74-139-214-69.dhcp.insightbb.com) 00.19.13 # OK 00.20.58 Quit ender` (" With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they a) 00.22.28 Part toffe82 00.22.45 # I'm confused where to put the patch file in order to patch 00.24.20 Quit mattzz ("Leaving") 00.24.49 Quit ompaul ("brb") 00.25.25 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul) 00.25.37 Join entheh [0] (n=purr@88-106-172-194.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 00.26.01 Quit Thundercloud__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.26.29 # ok, i found the bug in the vorbis patch, measuring gain 00.26.40 # You can put it anywhere, but I would suggest in the rockbox directory - i.e. the same place as apps, tools, firmware etc. 00.26.43 Quit matsl (Remote closed the connection) 00.27.13 # preglow: Are you testing on ARM or Coldfire (or both)? 00.27.36 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@cpe-74-71-205-222.twcny.res.rr.com) 00.27.49 Quit woodensoul ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 00.27.50 # linuxstb: coldfire now, which is what had problems 00.27.59 # linuxstb: 10% boost gain in avg on arm, which is very decent, i'd say 00.28.13 # Definitely. Does that make it faster than libmad again? 00.28.23 # wouldn't know, has it fallen behind? 00.28.30 Join woodensoul [0] (i=4856537a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a1adb514f5af8ee0) 00.28.38 # I thought the last libmad optimisations meant it overtook vorbis on ARM. 00.28.58 # my memory is a bit hazy on that 00.29.30 # But it's good to see the two main lossy codecs getting better on ARM. 00.29.51 # there's another patch still for mpa on arm 00.30.01 Join Shaid` [0] (i=shaid@203-214-56-203.dyn.iinet.net.au) 00.30.01 # which seems to yield even more than 10% improvements 00.31.27 # i see antonius had some questions on it, though 00.31.28 # Don't forget to test on amd64 ;) 00.31.36 # amiconn: haha 00.31.49 # and btw, the vorbis patch yields improvements also on coldfire, it seems 00.32.02 # 7-8% boost ratio improvement on a 143kbps file 00.32.07 # M-P-A, A-R-M, M-O-U-S-E 00.32.19 Quit webguest72 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 00.32.59 # any makefile gurus around that could have a look aat fs #6847? it's damned annoying 00.33.32 Quit woodensoul ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 00.34.25 Join woodensoul [0] (i=4856537a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6eaf5055909e4dab) 00.34.30 Quit Alonea ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/0000000000]") 00.36.38 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 00.37.05 Quit mirak (Remote closed the connection) 00.37.51 Join Zhaid [0] (i=shaid@203-214-27-75.dyn.iinet.net.au) 00.39.02 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 00.39.53 Quit woodensoul ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 00.40.31 Quit OLaSparO () 00.41.56 Quit ]RowaN[ () 00.42.31 Quit ompaul ("biab") 00.44.51 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC") 00.45.36 Quit Bawitdaba () 00.47.00 Quit Shaid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.47.36 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 00.47.39 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 00.47.48 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@p549AE89B.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.50.15 Quit Shaid` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.53.47 # so what's car adapter mode? shuts it off when it loses power and resumes play when it gets power again? 00.54.00 # (I'm just guessing, there's no info in the manual about it) 00.54.20 # read the manual? 00.54.26 # I did 00.54.36 # would have expected that to say what it is 00.54.44 # i don't really know, myself 00.54.54 # the section in the manual it should be in skips right over it 00.55.03 # and I did a ctrl-f to make sure I didn't miss it somewhere else 00.55.34 # yep, it hits stop when the power goes off 00.55.57 # plug it back in and it starts up again 00.59.53 Join nbenton [0] (i=18b4792d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4684ac639330ae40) 01.00.45 # Is there anyway to play gameboy games using the buttons for direction, not the touch-sensitive scroll-wheel? Also, anyway to get the music to sound less choppy? 01.01.13 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 01.03.20 # nbenton: a) Yes - you need to change the source code so Rockboy works that way; b) Yes - fix the bugs. 01.04.18 # Fix the bugs? 01.05.04 # nbenton: Yes, fix the bugs that cause the bad sound. 01.05.58 # On an entirely unrelated note, here's the MisticRiver mindset at its fines: They've created a program that can read and swap the logo image in the Rockbox binary, instead of creating a small patch to allow Rockbox to load a .bmp during boot as part of a theme. 01.06.12 # ..Okay I'm going to sound like an idiot. But how-so? Any specific documentation? Lol..sorry for sounding like a moron. 01.06.31 Join brun0_|SuSE [0] (n=brun0_@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 01.06.44 # nbenton: Documentation on what, exactly? The whole point of a bug is that they aren't documented. They're unexpected behaviour that needs to be fixed. 01.07.05 Quit brun0_|SuSE (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.07.33 # nbenton: We're saying that your requests can only be fulfilled by a developer changing/fixing the code. 01.07.44 # I see. 01.07.51 # Thank you. lol. Sorry guys =p 01.08.11 # Llorean: haha you serious about the MR app? 01.08.11 # Rockbox is open source - so anything is possible... 01.09.38 # JdGordon: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=52672 01.10.12 # :O 01.10.23 # although.. going by the MR userbase.. its not such bad idea 01.10.28 # Llorean: To be fair, searching for the logo in a Rockbox binary and replacing it is trivial, and the result is more efficient than loading a bmp file, and easier for users compared to compiling their own builds. 01.10.37 # one question 01.11.04 # these toshiba gigabeats have the firmware on disk, what if i accidentally format my toshiba drive? it would 'brick' ? 01.11.07 # linuxstb: It is easier than compiling their own builds, but I can't help but think that in the time it took to write that app, they could've written a patch to allow Rockbox to load an arbitrary BMP at boot 01.11.21 # or it just copies it again from flash to the hard drive (for some odd/esotheric reason) 01.11.31 Quit nbenton ("CGI:IRC") 01.12.07 # Llorean: oh yes 01.12.34 # Llorean: well, i guess its more so people arnt forced to use one build? 01.12.44 # cadu: If you format your HD, the player becomes significantly less usable until you copy system files back onto the HD 01.12.59 # bah, i bloody posted to the wrong flyspray entry 01.13.19 # Llorean: does it have an emergency disk mode for when it can't find the system stuff? 01.13.32 # this will be running rockbox only , so no particular reason to store its original GBSYSTEM folder? 01.13.33 # Hmm, anything pitfalls when moving an svn working copy to another path? 01.13.40 # s/anything/any/ 01.13.48 # by the way i don't have this disk :) ahahhahaa 01.13.49 # hcs: I know there's an emergency disk mode you can access by removing the drive until it powers on, and then inserting it. I don't know if there's an inbetween one. 01.13.57 # * preglow wonders if it's possible to delete comments 01.14.27 # Llorean, for an example, if i remove all files now, would i still be able to plug it and copy the firmware in ? 01.14.53 # amiconn: i've done so with no issues 01.15.03 # cadu: There are certain files you can't remove. The flash loader looks for specific files other than the one Rockbox normally replaces and requires they be there. 01.15.05 # amiconn: afaik, svn stores it's metadata inside the directory in question 01.15.15 # its 01.15.29 # Yeah, maybe it stores absolute paths somewhere 01.15.32 # cvs did 01.15.42 # i think it did 01.15.45 # svn does not, afai 01.15.47 # It did? I was always moving/renaming CVS checkouts. 01.15.54 # linuxstb: then it wasn't 01.15.55 # Llorean, nice, but in an *occasion* of hard drive error or whatever, and i need to format the whole drive, this would mean i'll have to open my gigabeat just to save it ? 01.16.25 # or can i just replug it again...turn it on and for example, throw the original toshiba GBSYSTEM folder 01.16.36 # cadu: If you're formatting the device, you already have access to the disk. Just don't unplug it until you put system files back on it. 01.17.08 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 01.17.08 # yeah, but it's not too robust :) right? usb mode dependant on system files 01.17.25 # just discussing it by the way :) 01.17.30 # It's not our software. 01.17.35 # (wanting to know how it works, just in case) :) 01.17.39 # Yes, the Toshiba firmware isn't the best... 01.17.48 # There's always the emergency USB mode as I described. 01.18.03 # Llorean, removing the drive and plugging it in...nice :) 01.18.23 # Hey, they designed it. Tell them they're crazy. 01.18.59 # nah, i'm just asking you guys coz i wanted to know how it works , after all i just received it , and am reading thru the instructions on installing rockbox now :) 01.21.05 Quit robin0800 (" Like VS.net's GUI? Then try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 01.21.27 # * markun is off to sleep 01.22.39 # Llorean: I'm just reading the anythingbutipod forums - do you know what the other sansapatcher is about? 01.22.59 # linuxstb: No clue, I wasn't aware of their forums in... May did he say? 01.23.10 Quit evilnick () 01.23.24 # Yes. 01.24.34 # linuxstb: http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=305 01.25.55 # Also, did anyone know about this? http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/rockbox ? 01.26.00 # wow, some of these WPSs are really pretty 01.26.19 # <- easily distracted by shiny things :/ 01.27.35 # I've done 31 commits this month! 01.28.45 # Llorean: Ah, I see, a modified version of the very first ipodpatcher... Complete with bugs meaning it wouldn't work on > 4GB sansas. 01.29.10 # JdGordon: That page has a MUCH nicer RSS feed than the other one I've been telling people about. 01.29.14 # do ipods natively do album art? 01.29.49 # I believe all the colour ipods do, I'm not sure about the greyscale ones. 01.29.52 # ah 01.30.00 # was gonna say, if they don't they should... 01.30.33 # Llorean, by the way do you have a link for this 'emergency mode procedure' just in case i ever do shit ? :) 01.30.56 # cadu: No, I don't. I've only heard of it by word of mouth. 01.31.01 # cadu: I don't intend to ever have to use it. 01.31.12 Quit cynicalliberal (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.31.12 # me neither :) 01.31.43 # I'm seeing lots of references to the scrolling margins patch 01.31.46 # what's that do? 01.32.02 # n17ikh|Lappy: Read the patch entry in the tracker. 01.32.14 # imma looking for it right now 01.34.25 # errrr 01.34.30 # it should be in the patches tracker, right? 01.34.54 # oh, there it is 01.35.08 # it's the "scrolling text margin" patch 01.35.51 # if it's been synced to SVN, does that mean it's in the latest build? 01.36.06 # No. 01.36.15 # That means it applies against whatever the SVN version was when they said that 01.36.27 # Tasks get closed when they get included 01.36.36 # Oh. 01.37.11 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 01.39.42 # i'm on rockbox! waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! 01.40.45 # * hcs hopes that was a good "waaaaa" 01.40.56 # i'm still using the small fonts (the rockbox default?) 01.41.00 # it's SOOOOO responsive! 01.41.04 # and just WORKS! 01.41.05 # yay! 01.41.17 # now let me play an ogg and then a flac! 01.41.25 # While audio on the sansa e200 series is still new, i think i possibly found a bug 01.41.38 # even shows me my accents ! nice for the non-american here ! 01.42.09 Join Soap2 [0] (n=Soap@91.sub-70-200-133.myvzw.com) 01.42.11 # with a near dead battery, loading a song often causes it to output a static type crashing sound 01.42.23 # Llorean: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=9462.msg73213;topicseen#msg73213 01.42.25 # Llorean: out of line? 01.42.47 # Soap2: I think I'll let it pass. ;) 01.42.54 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@adsl-69-214-19-15.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) 01.43.22 # can i say a little thing (after saying a bunch of stuff)? 01.43.27 # Had to ask, I'm on a cellphone, won't have a chance to respond if you send me a threatening PM. 01.43.33 # ahahah! the sound is CRISP , HAHAAA i'm so happy! 01.44.02 # Yay guys 01.44.05 # no more ipod 01.44.16 # that design failure of Toshiba (the usb stuff) made me a little concerned but what can go wrong, life is nice and the sun is SHINING! yay! 01.44.21 # SOOOO thanks :) 01.44.41 # by the way, any translation job you guys need (portuguese-english) , just call me up :) 01.44.43 # just bought a 40 gb gigabeat f of ebay for like 140 bucks USD 01.45.26 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@24-117-195-16.cpe.cableone.net) 01.47.59 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC") 01.49.04 # cadu: you could test if the portuguese translation of rockbox is still up to date, and if something is missing, translate it :-) 01.49.30 # PROMPTLY DOING! :P 01.49.37 # urgh, patching involves cross compiling 01.49.39 # ugly. 01.50.45 # n17ikh|Lappy: Well, that make sense. I mean, if they were binary patches, they'd be useless for development, and would only ever really work with one specific build of Rockbox. 01.50.57 # well, right 01.51.03 # So what were you expecting then? 01.51.11 # I mean it's ugly because I need to set up a dev environment for it 01.51.24 Join Soap2_ [0] (n=Soap@175.sub-70-200-148.myvzw.com) 01.51.28 # I don't have a compiler for.. uhh, a portalplayer whatever it is on my linux box. 01.51.42 # there is a script to do it for you in the sourcer... 01.51.44 # We do have a shell script that can install all (or any of) the necessary cross compilers. 01.51.45 # sourc* 01.53.28 # tools/rockboxdev.sh is it. the .sh it 01.53.29 # a shell script eh 01.54.53 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 01.55.38 # looks like the script is pretty complete, just run it and it downloads? 01.56.10 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@adsl-69-214-19-15.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) 01.56.45 Quit amiconn () 01.56.52 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@p54BD5A56.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.57.41 Join p0ser [0] (n=comatori@89-180-11-12.net.novis.pt) 01.58.21 # correction: run it as root and it downloads :( 01.59.05 # wait, it's downloading gcc 01.59.15 # I already have gcc... 01.59.34 # well, whatever. 01.59.39 # yea, only thing you will need to do is: A-add paths to your PATH. B-Manually install packages for compiling the manual (if you choose), C-Manual Install packages for building the simulator (if you choose) 01.59.41 # Yes, but do you have the right version of GCC, compiled to cross-compile for arm-elf processors? 02.00.27 # the version of gcc I have is a bit newer than the one it's downloading 02.00.37 # but not enough to make a real difference 02.01.01 # it shouldn't be that hard to make it cross-compile 02.01.02 # You need the exact versions. 02.01.11 # oh? 02.01.18 # In many cases there has been a situation where, for example, 4.0.2 wouldn't compile, and 4.0.3 would 02.01.27 # there are various bugs and issues with different versions of gcc building for different targets 02.01.34 # GCC is an unreliable beasty. 02.01.37 # I see. 02.01.41 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.187.194) 02.01.53 # And "make it cross-compile" involves compiling a build of GCC for cross compiling. 02.03.35 # guess I shouldn't have told it to make it so I could compile to all targets then eh 02.03.37 # so rockbox.gigabeat can live happily in .rockbox now and can be deleted from the root? 02.03.55 Quit oKtosiTe (Client Quit) 02.03.57 Quit p0ser (Client Quit) 02.04.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.06.08 # Llorean, by the way, is it normal to hear the HD 'spinning and stopping' sometimes ? 02.06.21 # pearldiver: yes, if you have a new enough bootloader 02.06.36 # barrywardell ah nice 02.06.38 # cadu: If you're hearing it over your music, probably not. Hard drive noises are regular but they should be fairly faint 02.06.43 # ooo rockbox just locked up on me :) 02.07.28 # Llorean, not huge stuff 02.07.36 # but i hear some tacks , once upon a time 02.07.48 # (like shifting thru songs quickly, playing 3 or 4 in succession) 02.08.39 # i don't hear it over music but i can feel the player shaking mildly, and with one earbud off i can hear one click or two 02.08.47 Quit inversions (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.08.47 # You shouldn't hear anything in the earbuds. 02.08.51 # Oh, with one off. 02.08.53 # Sorry, misread that. 02.08.59 # must be normal.... it's my first time with a hard drive player 02.09.02 # Feeling it shake is very regular. 02.09.10 # so i wanna rest assured i got a good deal 02.09.21 # by the way, sound is VERY crisp 02.09.39 # the stereo separation is perfect :) you guys are something :P 02.10.02 # cadu, what player? 02.10.22 # F20 02.10.27 # hehe 02.11.22 # gigabeat's sound quality is great, yes, thanks to rockbox and it's not too shabby hardware as well 02.11.31 # WHOA 02.11.42 # playing audio and seeing the PLASMA plugin! ..... 02.11.47 # just, beautiful! 02.13.54 Join deceasekain [0] (i=4a216ba2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-61d8df023f3b33eb) 02.15.54 # Hello. Are there any good guides to WPS creating? 02.16.30 Quit Soap2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.16.55 # is tehre any reason rockbox on my iriver HP-20 takes forever to change directories (up to 10 seconds) 02.17.44 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/EZWPS http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToWPSMaking 02.17.47 # SirFunk: is dircache one ? 02.17.53 # on 02.17.59 # uhm... i'm guessing no 02.18.00 # let me look 02.18.25 # Soap2_ thanks alot 02.19.13 # SirFunk: What is an HP-20, there's no model like that, and depending on which strange way you've modified your actual model number you could be referring to one of multiple devices. 02.19.24 # sorry 02.19.25 # 120 02.19.29 # iHP-120 02.19.49 # 10 seconds is a little long, even for dircache off. 02.20.03 # The first directory entry can take 2 or 3 seconds for the disk to spin up, but then it should be fast. 02.20.07 # Is your drive heavily fragmented? 02.21.17 # wow videos are in sync :P 02.21.17 # hmmm, any way to tell.. other than in windows? 02.21.23 # Domonoky: dircache was off 02.21.38 # make it, could help :-) 02.21.41 # on 02.21.48 # damn keyboard :-) 02.22.04 # there's some tearing on gigabeat though 02.22.08 # Dircache will help, but at a cost of a little space being permanently taken up in RAM. 02.22.19 # pearldiver: I don't believe there's any vsync. 02.22.19 Quit deceasekain ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.22.33 # whoa 02.22.36 # way better with dircache 02.22.37 # Llorean, i put the option to pause the song when i take off the plug.... pauses nicely 02.22.38 # Llorean, yeah 02.22.46 # but when it comes back, the song jumps forth a bit 02.22.55 # like some random skips and then back to normal 02.23.15 # it may have not taken 10 seconds before.. but it was slow enough that somtimes i would hit 'right' to go into a folder, and think it didn't work so i'd hit 'right' again and wind up going through 2 folders or playing a song or something 02.23.31 # Llorean, still its very nice to watch music videos now :P 02.24.22 # SirFunk: With dircache off, you have to wait for the disk to spin up when you try to go into a folder if the disk isn't spinning. 02.25.09 # Domonoky, the portuguese translation is really Portuguese 02.25.19 # Llorean, oh and it doesn't lock up now when the it runs out of buffer, nice 02.25.25 # can i do a modification or start a brazillian-portuguese file !? 02.26.10 # Llorean: yeah, but even after i went through one folder, the next folder would take a long itme too 02.26.18 # brazillian portuguese and portuguese are interchangeable but some words are less used in one or the other and some sound funny 02.26.51 # if you like, you can shurely do another translation.. 02.27.23 Quit barrywardell () 02.27.24 # for example, like 'ficheiro' (would mean like a drawer with some sheets or files/regs in it) instead of the brazillian counterpart 'arquivo' (that means file, really) 02.27.32 # hmm... i wonder if there's any reason for me to update rockbox, my install is like 2 months old 02.28.11 # SirFunk: 2 month is very old, in rockbox time :-) 02.28.14 # :-) 02.28.33 # SirFunk, if you see anything you like here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges then upgrade 02.28.40 # oh cool 02.28.41 # leme look 02.28.54 # generally it's recommended that you upgrade reasonably often 02.29.42 Join webguest06 [0] (i=c7004102@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9f1a426c922624a1) 02.30.21 # A question about USB support for the Sansa e200... 02.30.43 # One of the changes earlier today carried the comment: 02.30.46 # Enable usb detection in the sansa bootloader (loads OF if detected) 02.30.48 # Cripes, you're in for a few surprises if you upgrade from a build that's two months old. I hadn't really thought about how much has changed in the past two months. 02.31.02 # I'm trying to figure out what this means. Can anyone explain? 02.32.43 # webguest06: You know how the Sansa turns on when you insert the USB cable? 02.32.49 # Yes. 02.33.00 # webguest06: If you use an SVN compiled bootloader, it'll load the original firmware, instead of Rockbox, when it turns on like that, so it goes straight into USB mode. 02.33.17 # I thought I tried this... didn't seem to work. I'll try again. 02.33.35 # I have the latest build installed as well as the bootloader from Sansapatcher. 02.33.39 # urgh 02.34.10 # webguest06: I said "SVN compiled" 02.34.12 # Nope. I still get the Rockbox screen. 02.34.22 # What does that mean... I really am a noob. 02.34.45 # webguest06: It means newer than the officially released current version. 02.34.48 # so if a patch has been synced to SVN, it's probably best to use it with the source from that SVN date? 02.35.06 # n17ikh|Lappy: It may work with newer source, or you may have to sync it yourself if you want newer source 02.35.14 Quit printfXh4 (Read error: 148 (No route to host)) 02.35.26 # I'm at a loss as to how to obtain that right now. I'll have to read up. Thanks. 02.36.53 # webguest06: The simplest method is to just wait for the next version of Sansapatcher. 02.37.17 # That'll have to do. Having it boot into the OF on USB insert sure would be nice... thanks. Llorean. 02.38.49 Quit webguest06 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.42.04 Part pixelma 02.46.22 Quit Moos ("Glory to Rockbox") 02.47.16 # how do you actually use this graph to adjust the rockbox eq settings? 02.47.20 Join webguest89 [0] (i=47cddb0d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-fe0f5a47346be407) 02.47.21 # http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=0&graphID[]=603 02.47.58 # i keep getting Data abort at 000305D4 on my ipod video 5th gen 02.48.09 # when i try to play a file 02.49.40 Quit |Rincewind| ("Cya") 02.50.23 # webguest89: When did you last install/update the Rockbox bootloader? 02.50.51 # Llorean: long time ago 02.51.02 Quit Soap2_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.51.04 # Then follow the bootloader installation section of the manual 02.51.10 # You need to update and install/update are the same process. 02.52.56 # pearldiver, at a rough guess you'd make an eq that's sort of the inverse of that graph, so that the eq compensates for any holes in the response of your headphones. 02.53.06 # Llorean: oh ive just been installing the new firmware each time 02.54.08 # safetydan hmm 02.54.15 # webguest89: Usually you don't need to update the bootloader, this is a special case. 02.54.35 # webguest89: But when you do get *real* crashes, like that, you should make sure your bootloader version is the newest. 02.54.38 Part Llorean 02.57.30 Quit entheh ("^~") 03.00.39 # safetydan, like this example 03.00.41 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=9468.0 03.01.15 # low shelf filter, for example, how did he get those parameters looking at the graph 03.01.31 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.221.73) 03.02.24 Nick Xerion_ is now known as Xerion (i=xerion@vhe-382201.sshn.net) 03.04.29 # pearldiver, not sure about the low shelf, but the other filters all look like they're designed to eliminate the peaks and troughs 03.05.15 # for example, the 3rd peak filter has -10 db gain around 2700 Hz and you can see a 10 dB spike at the same spot on the graph 03.06.03 # the low shelf I think is just picked to try and decrease the rolloff a bit 03.06.10 # aha 03.07.10 # well on this graph 03.07.12 # http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=0&graphID[]=603 03.07.35 # all the spikes going on around 12000-20000 Hz 03.09.12 Quit ZenMasterJG (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03.10.41 # so im sort of confused 03.10.59 # that looks like it might be hard to compensate for 03.13.40 # pearldiver, you could try this method http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=9313.msg71779#msg71779 03.13.58 # yeah was just looking at it 03.16.38 # now we're cookin 03.16.42 # compiling my build! 03.16.55 # question: a gigabeat F20 model for 150 dollars should be 'new' , right ? (at least for the price) 03.17.23 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 03.17.41 Quit lukaswayne9 ("Ex-Chat") 03.22.37 Join Capso [0] (n=routeadm@about/networking/128.0.0.0/Capso) 03.23.28 Quit chrisjs169|brb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.24.24 # do I have to have a WPS when compiling a build? It throws an error on make zip 03.24.37 # beep, no dir to copy WPS from! 03.25.47 Quit Alonea (Remote closed the connection) 03.27.04 # and if so, where would I put said WPS 03.27.29 # You shouldn't need any 03.27.54 Join Soap2 [0] (n=Soap@67.sub-70-200-140.myvzw.com) 03.28.11 # well, it throws an error while compiling 03.28.13 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@24-117-195-16.cpe.cableone.net) 03.28.17 # and then stops 03.28.31 # What's the exact error message? 03.28.46 # well, actually, the last thing is something else 03.28.48 # You did do a "make" before the "make zip" right? 03.28.51 # xargs: zip: No such file or directory 03.28.55 # yes, yes I did. 03.29.00 # And do you have a rockbox.zip there now? 03.29.07 # I mean, after the make zip 03.29.26 # I don't have a rockbox.zip, no 03.29.29 # I have a rockbox.h10 03.29.59 # Did you use SVN to check out the sources, or did you download the tarball? 03.30.01 # I did make, make zip after applying patches 03.30.11 # I downloaded the tarball and patched without incident 03.30.21 # Try using SVN instead. 03.30.46 # just more crap to install on my server :/ 03.30.47 # Oh, wait. 03.31.00 # Do you have zip in your path? 03.31.02 # Or installed even? 03.31.10 # er, no 03.31.14 # that might do it 03.31.16 # >_> 03.31.31 # coulda sworn I had some sort of zipper in there. 03.31.43 # But it's often better to use SVN to check out the sources. You don't have to reapply patches as often, and the tarball script can leave out new files sometimes, when they aren't added in all the right places. 03.31.54 # "some sort of" doesn't necessarily mean you have "zip" :) 03.32.21 # yeah 03.32.29 # I mean, zip-compliant 03.32.42 # just like there are about 4983209437 sendmail-complaint MTAs 03.32.48 # Heh 03.32.57 Join bonbonthejon [0] (n=jon@69.61.203.3) 03.33.13 # there we go 03.33.21 # much better 03.33.28 # still throws the beep at me, but other than that 03.33.32 # gives me a zip file 03.33.41 Join fasmaie [0] (n=fasmaie@c-65-96-232-94.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 03.34.55 # I don't know what you mean by "throws the beep" 03.35.07 Join Soap2_ [0] (n=Soap@246.sub-70-200-147.myvzw.com) 03.35.29 # beep, no dir to copy WPS from! 03.35.31 # that. 03.36.06 # maybe it should say "warning" instead... or "you won't have a WPS in this build, moron" 03.36.09 # It says "beep"? 03.36.13 # yes, it says beep. 03.36.24 # Weird. 03.36.30 Join lukaswayne9 [0] (n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 03.36.35 # You'll still have a WPS, you just won't have any additional WPSes. 03.36.43 # interesting. 03.36.50 # Well the default WPS is hard-coded. 03.37.08 # uuugh 03.37.14 # that makes me shudder 03.37.23 # right-clicking on a zip file on a network drive in windows xp 03.37.31 # "the page has an unspecified security flaw" 03.37.36 # "Continue? Y/N" 03.37.53 # ..yes, continue, it's a zip file on the server in the next room 03.38.09 Quit fasmaie (Client Quit) 03.39.15 # hey, the file arrangement in the zip I made is slightly different 03.39.30 # rockbox.h10 is at the same (root) level as .rockbox 03.39.38 # in the original, it's inside .rockbox 03.40.42 # where should it be? 03.40.59 # I'm assuming inside rockbox, but... that's not where the zipping-up script put it :/ 03.41.11 Join Soap2__ [0] (n=Soap@49.sub-70-200-161.myvzw.com) 03.41.12 # n17ikh|Lappy: .rockbox but it sounds like you might be building with an old source tree 03.41.18 # only four days old 03.41.33 # because it's what my patches matched 03.41.40 # more or less 03.43.04 # n17ikh|Lappy: What exactly made you shudder? 03.43.06 # four days is a long time in Rockbox land 03.43.16 # four days ago, rockbox.h10 was outside .rockbox 03.43.21 # Llorean: windows XP trying to protect me from myself 03.43.21 # now it's supposed to go inside 03.43.30 # er 03.43.37 # was it, or are you just saying that 03.43.43 # It was. 03.43.46 # It was. 03.43.51 # ...crap 03.43.54 # The change from outside .rockbox to inside .rockbox was very recent. 03.43.56 # curse these human fingers, beaten by Llorean again 03.44.15 # It's irrelevant though, the bootloader should check both locations. 03.44.18 # 2007-03-20 according to the major changes page 03.44.22 # It was more or less for tidiness. 03.45.39 # Ah. 03.46.52 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.204.166) 03.48.31 Join MrAudio [0] (i=8506cf9d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4970482e50cdb289) 03.48.35 Quit donutman25 ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 03.49.44 Quit amiconn (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 03.50.10 # Greetings. I'm writing a customized voice-recorder app for the iAudioX5 by hacking the Rockbox source, inserting code into tree.c, list.c, etc. My app seems to drain the battery and prevent auto-power-off. Any ideas about what behavior would prevent auto-power-off? 03.50.56 # By "drain the battery" I mean that I left the unit on all night and this morning the battery was drained, so it apparently didn't auto-power-off. The auto-power-off is the issue I'm wondering about. 03.51.08 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 03.51.22 # MrAudio, any particular reason you're hacking that deep in the code and not just writing a plugin? 03.51.32 # Recording doesn't seem to work reliably in a plugin. 03.51.51 # At least, I couldn't get recording to work reliably in a plugin. 03.52.11 # So I'm hijacking the default menus and auto-navigating to the recording screen, etc. 03.52.24 Quit lukaswayne9 ("Ex-Chat") 03.52.36 # You can set it to start up on the recording screen from a menu option. 03.53.08 # Right, but I have a categorized list of files, and the recording has to go into one of the pre-defined files. Basically my system is 90% complete now, I just discovered the auto-power-off problem yesterday. 03.53.17 # I didn't think it would idle-poweroff from the recording screen normally. It seems like it could interrupt monitoring before a record. 03.53.41 # Normally the user will be using the system in a hacked version of the directory browser. 03.54.05 # I am drawing a bitmap everytime the status bar is drawn. 03.54.18 # Could that kind of behavior prevent auto-power-off? 03.54.31 Join Soap2___ [0] (n=Soap@190.sub-70-200-179.myvzw.com) 03.55.07 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@p54bd5a56.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.55.10 # Or rather, is there a specific branch of the code that checks for "am I idle->if so, power off"? I could then see what conditions are not being met if I knew where to look. 03.55.16 Quit Soap2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.55.30 Nick Soap2___ is now known as Soap2 (n=Soap@190.sub-70-200-179.myvzw.com) 03.55.58 # I think being in the recording screen just prevents it right there. I'm not 100% sure. But where did you leave the device? 03.56.11 # I left the device in the directory browser 03.56.16 # in tree.c main loop 03.56.23 # with tons of custom code in tree.c main loop 03.56.27 # argh. Well, that failed miserably 03.56.42 # alright, I'll try again later. Default rockbox works well enough 03.57.40 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 03.57.46 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 03.57.47 # ummm okay then 03.57.56 # windows won't let me make a directory called .rockbox :/ 03.58.08 # Windows won't let you start a directory name with . 03.58.12 # I noticed 03.58.26 # Is the idle checking done at hardware level (e.g. some CPU function?) or software level (e.g. none of these buttons were pressed, so idletime=idletime+1; if idletime>timeout poweroff()) 03.58.54 # * n17ikh|Lappy makes a folder on the linux box called .rockbox and copies it over the network 03.59.03 # MrAudio, software 03.59.17 # n17ikh|Lappy: You *can* make a directory or file staring with . in windows 03.59.26 # n17ikh|Lappy: Out of curiosity, why on earth do you need to make that folder? 03.59.32 # Just not with explorer, you need to use the commandline 03.59.38 # safetydan: great, then it should be easy to fix. Any idea about the variable or function names responsible? 04.00.26 # Llorean: I renamed my old rockbox folder to old.rockbox 04.00.35 # and was renaming it back to .rockbox and found I couldn't 04.01.08 # the exact error was something like "You must type a directory name." 04.01.11 # How about this: if I do my own idle timekeeping, and call poweroff() manually, would that work? 04.01.43 # MrAudio: You're welcome to reinvent as many wheels as you'd like, yes. :) 04.01.47 # n17ikh|Lappy: if you are talking Windows you can from the command line, if not from Explorer 04.02.06 # Heh, heh, I just need to get this durn system finished so I can run an experiment, write a paper, and graduate :-) 04.02.11 # ah, you're right 04.02.13 # command line works 04.02.19 Join webguest14 [0] (i=415fb5fc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-76a9e6a1f75fbbaf) 04.02.22 # hi 04.02.23 # explorer is just the worlds' most retarded shell 04.02.42 # does anyone know one when rockbox 3.1 comes out? 04.02.48 # Anyway, thanks for all the help, I think I'm on the right track now. 04.02.52 # webguest14: Some time after 3.0 does. 04.03.07 # n17ikh|Lappy: I think you're forgetting dos shell. 04.03.19 # that's what I said, command line works 04.03.26 # I tested it ;) 04.03.37 # when does 3.0 come out 04.03.40 # MrAudio, I haven't got the source in front of me, but some simple searching should find what you need. 04.03.45 Quit Soap2_ (Connection timed out) 04.03.48 # n17ikh|Lappy: Dos shell is not command line. 04.03.54 # Check the settings structure for the idle timeout value and see what code looks at that value. 04.03.57 # it's *a* command line 04.04.03 # n17ikh|Lappy: No, it's not 04.04.10 # n17ikh|Lappy: Dos Shell is a shell. Mouse pointer, filetree view, and all. 04.04.24 # n17ikh|Lappy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOS_Shell 04.04.24 Quit webguest14 (Client Quit) 04.04.28 # ah 04.04.37 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:MS-DOS_6.22_dir_screenshot.png 04.04.42 # ooh, memories 04.04.44 # I've always called that ^^ a dos shell 04.04.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.05.00 # Well, technically speaking you are incorrect. 04.05.03 # yeah, I am 04.05.06 # :-P 04.05.16 # DOS shell makes Explorer look halfway decent. 04.05.26 # that doesn't take very much, mind you 04.05.43 # er, I got that backwards 04.05.43 # there was a high graphics mode, I recall, which wasn't much better 04.05.44 # command.com is a shell too 04.05.48 # never mind. 04.05.52 # * n17ikh|Lappy crawls off in a corner somewhere 04.05.54 # so not incorrect at all 04.06.33 # Xerion: command.com is not "dos shell", it's "command.com". 04.07.38 Quit Thundercloud (Connection timed out) 04.08.24 # it's "a" dos shell though 04.08.40 # how? 04.08.50 # It's a shell belonging to DOS. 04.09.18 # But when you say "you're forgetting dos shell" it's clear that it's a specific thing NAMED dos shell, otherwise you'd say "the dos shell" 04.11.46 Quit MrAudio ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 04.13.33 Quit pearldiver ("some games are better left unplayed") 04.14.15 Quit Alonea ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/0000000000]") 04.14.57 Quit Soap2 ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 04.16.58 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@24-117-195-16.cpe.cableone.net) 04.18.16 Join aliask|uni [0] (i=82c20d69@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b5160b388380a5ce) 04.19.34 Quit Soap2__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.19.42 Quit Domonoky ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 04.23.25 Quit Alonea (Remote closed the connection) 04.24.13 Join DPic [0] (n=DPic@209-150-56-190.c3-0.nwt-ubr3.sbo-nwt.ma.cable.rcn.com) 04.25.58 # Do i have to turn off idle poweroff to enable my wake-up alarm? 04.26.18 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@24-117-195-16.cpe.cableone.net) 04.27.43 # Do i have to turn off idle poweroff to enable my wake-up alarm? 04.28.12 # DPic: No, why would you? 04.28.27 # Because if i don't then my player will turn off before my alarm goes off 04.28.34 # Right? 04.28.53 # The alarm turns the player on. 04.29.03 # Test it out. 04.29.15 # okay thanks 04.29.42 # and do i have to reinstall the bootloader when i update rockbox? 04.30.32 # my alarm isn't working even without the player turning off 04.30.47 # i just set it to 11:30 5 minutes ago and it's 11:30 and it didn't go off 04.31.06 # Does it only work if the player is off? 04.32.40 Quit Alonea (Remote closed the connection) 04.33.46 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@24-117-195-16.cpe.cableone.net) 04.34.28 # DPic, what target? 04.35.05 # Sorry? 04.36.38 # Target? I don't know what that means 04.37.14 # aliask|uni: lmao.. How's that? Does this mean it is consuming some electricity at all times, as it is waiting for the alarm? 04.37.52 # I just tried it out 04.37.56 # DPic, what type of player do you have? iPod, iRiver, Sansa, etc? 04.38.03 # i set it for 11:35 and turned it off and it turned back on at 11:35 04.38.09 # Capso, pretty much. But the amount should be tiny. 04.38.12 # i have an iPod Video 04.38.35 # Capso: It's consuming that bit of power anyway, keeping the clock running. 04.39.08 # Llorean: But what is the use, if no alarm is set, to keep the clock running? 04.39.23 # So that the time isn't reset.. 04.39.32 # DPic, I'm not sure if the RTC is supported on iPod (i.e. I'm not sure if the alarm works for iPods) 04.39.44 # Capso: Otherwise you'd have to re-set the realtime clock on every boot... 04.39.52 # yeah 04.40.04 # No it does i just tested it out and figured it out- the player has to be off 04.40.08 # then the alarm will turn it back on 04.40.50 # do i have to reinstall the bootloader every time i update rockbox? 04.41.28 # No 04.41.47 Quit Alonea ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/0000000000]") 04.41.53 # just download the latest build and i should be all set? 04.42.34 # How does RockBox compare to iPodLinux? 04.42.38 # DPic: Yes. I thought it said that in the manual. 04.42.44 # Capso: They're very different things. 04.42.55 # Capso, Rockbox has more focus on actually being usable for music playback rather than just being a general OS 04.43.10 # ipodlinux is based off of linux rockbox is built from scratch 04.44.03 # using both, i can say that ipodlinux is a proof of concept that has a few nice gimmicks 04.44.28 # rockbox is a seriously superior music playing firmware with usable plugins 04.45.01 # it does say to download the newest buld but it doesn't say whether or not you need the bootloader too. 04.45.11 # Doesn't the bootloader ever need to be updated? 04.45.40 # occasionally 04.45.40 # DPic: If it doesn't say "you need the bootloader", I think that's a sign that you don't... 04.45.49 # The bootloader doesn't update often. 04.46.09 # There's been about 3 or 4 versions of the iRiver H120 bootloader actually released to the public, for example. 04.46.20 # And it's had a port for a couple years now 04.46.27 # Can you give me an estimate on how often it does for iPod video? 04.46.37 # One ever certain number of days, weeks, or months? 04.46.48 # There's been one mandatory bootloader update required for the iPod, ever, since the initial working version. 04.47.02 # i went through about 3 bootloaders on my h320 in about 2-3 months :-P 04.47.13 # that was in way early dev days thougth 04.47.49 # DPic: Basically, just check at the bootloader download site and see if the date on the file has changed. 04.48.06 # I see 04.48.12 # How can i check which one i have? 04.48.28 # When did you install it? 04.48.39 Nick Zhaid is now known as Shaid (i=shaid@203-214-27-75.dyn.iinet.net.au) 04.48.51 # well i just reinstalled it today thinking i needed it to update 04.49.05 # Well, logically speaking, wouldn't that mean you have the one from today? 04.49.27 # yes but is there a way i can check that later rather than having to just remember it? 04.49.28 # Which, actually, has been out for a little while, but I mean, if you check the site, that date will be the 'current' date. 04.49.51 # You can press "Right" while the iPod is booting to get debug output, if you can read quickly. 04.50.23 # Actually, it should have a simple version number, now. 1.0 04.50.38 # oh 04.50.38 # ok 04.53.15 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@24-117-195-16.cpe.cableone.net) 04.53.41 Quit aliask|uni ("CGI:IRC") 04.57.25 Part DPic 05.05.03 Quit BigMac (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.06.35 Part safetydan 05.07.42 Part countrymike ("Leaving") 05.08.16 Join Jim [0] (i=489ba092@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f39489c36d6700f0) 05.09.16 Quit Jim (Client Quit) 05.09.19 Join jim232777 [0] (i=489ba092@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-63aa9caa1510492e) 05.17.41 Join element_G [0] (n=g-force@S0106001346a401fd.ed.shawcable.net) 05.21.54 Quit Thundercloud_ (Remote closed the connection) 05.22.51 Quit jim232777 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 05.23.32 # allo 05.24.19 Quit element_G ("Kopete 0.12.2 : http://kopete.kde.org") 05.25.25 Join element_G [0] (n=g-force@S0106001346a401fd.ed.shawcable.net) 05.32.11 Quit element_G ("Kopete 0.12.2 : http://kopete.kde.org") 05.37.37 Part Capso 05.41.38 Quit rotator () 05.50.39 # Bagder: Looks like there's something funny with the daily build server, the X5 builds are missing a lot of stuff. 05.55.36 Join donutman25 [0] (n=chatzill@24.231.43.99) 05.56.23 Join webguest41 [0] (i=45d6130f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-de00561af615d05a) 05.58.02 # Does the Gigabeat S have a DSP as well as the main core? 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08.09.11 Join cynicalliberal__ [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-70-137-159-198.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) 08.10.36 # webguest43: not a single soul, we are 133 bots 08.10.54 # good evening, i´m desperatly in need of help? 08.11.06 # webguest43: i wouldn't know, are you? 08.12.08 # webguest43: You're best off asking whatever your actual question is. 08.12.11 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@84-255-206-8.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) 08.13.22 # i used a car adapter with my jbr v2 but accidentally it gave 12v input instead of 7,5v or 6v now only my usb charging works...can anyone help me to fix this problems please...thanks 08.13.45 # wow 08.14.11 # hmmm, it's been a long time since i worked on the v2... 08.15.17 # it used to work fine with 7,5 but now even with the regular charging kit by archos nothing happens...:o( 08.15.53 # i do have to do some serious driving and wnated to use my jbr v2 on the trip... 08.16.10 # perhaps the charging ship is fried... 08.16.13 # chip 08.17.10 Quit cynicalliberal (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.17.51 # is there any way to reset it...i have experienced difficulties before because sometimes, esp. with a low batterylevel my box freezes while charging... 08.18.24 # it's a 6-pin chip called LTHD or LTRG 08.18.31 # by the way thanks for your answers 08.21.01 # i don't remember if there is a way to reset it, but i seem to recall that you can hold the OFF button for a very long time 08.21.26 # like up to 30 seconds 08.21.36 # (or was it 10?) 08.22.30 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.22.51 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57b979e0.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.23.10 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54b15796.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.23.19 # here is the data sheet for the chip in question: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/DataSheets/1734i.pdf 08.23.59 Quit cynicalliberal_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.24.20 Nick cynicalliberal__ is now known as cynicalliberal (n=chatzill@adsl-70-137-159-198.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) 08.25.39 Join bluebrother [0] (i=IWDPS7YL@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 08.26.01 # you are right it should be at least 10 seconds, this wil reset the box, but i am afraid this won´t fix my probs 08.26.22 # iirc, it won't work when the device is connected to the charger 08.27.15 # in any case, you will have to repair the hardware to fix the overvoltage damage 08.27.46 # and you should begin with the Linear 1734 chip 08.30.12 Quit bonbonthejon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.31.11 Quit idnar (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 08.31.59 # do you know if any store does repairs like this? as i´m on holiday an have no equipment whatsoever... 08.32.59 Join idnar [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 08.35.31 # i´m still wondering why tge charfinf via usb still works...is that a different chip? 08.36.59 Join Lynx [0] (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 08.39.24 Join Lynx- [0] (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 08.40.50 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.41.52 Quit webguest43 ("CGI:IRC") 08.41.59 Join webguest43 [0] (i=47231444@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-20964309fdbc0e60) 08.43.20 Join Siltaar [0] (n=Siltaar@193.52.208.229) 08.43.54 # what's the best plugin to use as a template when writing plugins? 08.43.54 Quit webguest43 (Client Quit) 08.44.24 # Hello World is a good starting place. 08.44.48 # Though Jewels, or one of the other cross-platform ones can be good to look at for loading target specific bitmaps, keymapping, etc. 08.45.05 # something that does a little more than that, e.g. something that excercises the API a bit 08.47.01 # Is there a way to remove the 20k playlist limit? 08.47.11 # or increase? 08.47.27 # you can increase it all you want with a custom build... 08.47.30 # more than 20k entries in a single playlist? 08.47.55 # yes, need about 24 08.48.02 # urgh. 08.48.15 # I even don't have nearly that number of files 08.48.28 # apps/settings_list.c will have the line you need to chane 08.48.43 # look for "max files in playlist" or similar.. 08.48.53 # thanks JdGordon, i'll down the source now 08.49.30 # is it just an arteficial limit, or will i need to change other things as well? (memory allocation etc.) 08.49.44 Join B4gder [0] (n=daniel@100.78.227.87.static.s-cy.siw.siwnet.net) 08.51.00 Quit midgey () 08.51.08 Quit B4gder (Client Quit) 08.52.26 Join JoelColden [0] (i=44623cc8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9a04f693589eb0c2) 08.52.30 # gursikh: that number is the memory allocation.. we would have thought 20k is a fairly safe artificial limit... 08.52.54 # just change the max value, recompile, then change the value in the setting and your all set 08.53.09 # it's for a friend, he likes to keep the entire hvsc on his nano 08.53.35 Quit Lynx_ (Connection timed out) 08.53.35 Nick Lynx- is now known as Lynx_ (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 08.53.37 # aliask: cool change is here :D woohoo 08.53.42 # is there a reason to have the complete hvsc in a single playlist? 08.54.01 # beats me, but he cries about it at least once a week 08.54.28 # crazy. 08.54.31 # hello, sorry to interupt. I'm new to the rockbox thing, but I've made a theme I want to upload and it says I don't have "permission". Is there anyone I need to talk to? 08.54.34 # JdGordon: any news on FS#6863? 08.54.56 # thanks for the tip JdGordon compiling now :-) 08.55.00 # well i fixed it.. but it caused tha annoyance you mentioned.. so i didnt commit it 08.55.05 # JoelColden: yes, you need to give us your wiki name so someone can give you write permissions 08.55.14 # wont be able to fix it properly till monday probably... 08.55.47 # hmm. How about committing the fix fml2 posted on that task? It's nasty but the player doesn't lock up anymore 08.55.55 # until there is a better fix? 08.56.07 Quit Lynx (Connection timed out) 08.56.33 # i've got some nice new..... 08.56.35 # news* 08.56.56 # probably i can get my hands on an unencrypted firmware for nano 2g 08.57.05 Nick w1ll14m_ is now known as w1ll14m (n=w1ll14m@84-104-81-208.cable.quicknet.nl) 08.57.21 # bluebrother: thanks, my wikiname is JoelColden 08.57.24 # bluebrother: im off but im happy for oyu to commit either of the patches in 6863... just leave the task open 08.57.56 # JdGordon: ok. 08.58.01 # JoelColden: done. Should work now 08.58.23 # i will let you guys now when i have it ;) 08.58.34 # bluebrother: thanks 08.59.34 # w1ll14m: It's not the Nano2G we want, it's how to encrypt and decrypt for it. 09.00.25 # Llorean: but if we have an unencrypted firmware there might be some info within how to decrypt it 09.00.37 # maybe i can get some more info.... ll ask 09.02.00 # Llorean: I don't know much about encryption but shouldn't the encryption algorithm might be more easy to find when you have the decrypted result? 09.02.30 # though I may say silly things I don't really know for sure 09.02.34 # XavierGr: that's what i think ... 09.04.39 # i think the rsrc image contains some info about decrypting osos etc (i'm not shure) 09.05.05 # lol 09.05.13 # did you even look at it? 09.05.16 # Llorean: the decypted firmware is also good to start reverse engeneering it... even if we cant actually start coding.... 09.05.20 # it's stuffed with wav and xml files 09.05.35 # JdGordon: Yeah, this is true to an extent. 09.05.45 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@host.91-92-172-170.airbites.bg) 09.06.21 Quit webguest89 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 09.06.46 # w1ll14m normally, I shouldn't be so sceptical... 09.06.57 # but I still think the only image which possibly holds a decryption key is the decrypted aupd 09.07.12 # ok im off.. hae a good weekend all 09.07.21 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 09.07.21 # sorry ;) i meant aupd instead of rsrc 09.07.28 # lol 09.07.32 # hehehe 09.07.54 # and they might even just store it in the flashrom, in some part that's not overwritten 09.07.56 # but then, 'll try to get my hands on the unencrypted firmware image 09.08.08 # maybe it's something we can use 09.08.11 # since, when we can decrypt it, we'll be able to decrypt aupd and get the new key from there 09.08.18 # so there's no real need to put it in aupd 09.08.20 # dataghost, could be 09.08.45 # They only need to put it in AUPD if there's fear of it getting revealed, and if there's that, then putting it in AUPD would be pointless anyway 09.09.05 # yeah, that's why I said 'possibly' 09.09.15 # there is no real need to store it outside of a chip 09.09.17 # w1ll14m: so where are you going to get it from ? 09.09.34 # and I most certainly wouldn't do that either, if I had to design this 09.09.48 # unless aupd has strong encryption and with a new update they use the old key to decrypt and install new aupd with new keys, reboot and ipod has new decryption keys 09.10.12 # plus the small risk of bricking :) since you're now actually writing the flasrhom 09.10.16 # s/rh/hr/ 09.10.27 # GodEater: a friend of a friend works by apple (ipod development) 09.10.58 # oh look now that's a lot better than that numbskull who thinks a 'programming team' is the same as 'calling apple how to install linux, they might send me special software! worth a try!' 09.11.04 # w1ll14m: If that's the case, then if the old key is found out (the only reason you'd change keys), someone can use the old key to get the new one anyway. 09.11.12 # w1ll14m: then tell him to tell us the decryption algorithm :P 09.11.30 # yeah Llorean that's why it would probably last just 1 hardware revision 09.11.56 # XavierGr: 'll i will ask, but that could be even for apple insiders classified info 09.12.01 # DataGhost: Official updates do write to the flash from time to time. People have bricked ipods by resetting during that write. 09.12.10 # w1ll14m other than that, they needn't even know the key at all 09.12.27 # they can just submit their code to a 'black box' machine which returns the encrypted firmware 09.12.43 # so you won't accidentally leak the key and you won't intentionally be able to leak it 09.12.45 # DataGhost: true 09.12.58 # yeah I know Llorean 09.13.17 # I'm just saying that 'installing rockbox/ipl' will have the small risk of bricking from that point on 09.13.36 # I still can't understand their fuss into making difficult to load other code in the machine, if you get it broke it is your responsibility after all... 09.13.57 # XavierGr:it's about drm 09.14.07 # XavierGr you have to pay for the games, for example 09.14.07 # or is it to protect reverse engineering their code? 09.14.24 # I don't think they're very happy with us playing something like doom.. or a copy of their paid games 09.14.25 # :P 09.14.50 # Apple wants us to run their os because of games (mentioned by DataGhost) and drm and other stuff 09.14.56 # atleast that is what i think 09.15.12 # oh and added functionality for models which weren't intended for such use 09.15.16 # like games/videos on nano 09.15.25 # they want you to buy a more expensive iPod :P 09.15.27 # yeah indeed 09.15.36 # damn true 09.15.38 # in all cases it is "evil".... 09.15.46 # they just want more money 09.16.04 # Same as microsoft they just want money 09.16.09 # well, they're not .org or something :P 09.16.13 # hehe 09.16.15 # lol 09.16.59 # imagine if you were forced to run a specific OS into a PC :\ 09.17.03 # i'd possibly do the same 09.17.20 # and who knows.. it might even be a slightly-different-than-normal job interview 09.17.23 # XavierGr: that would be my death 09.17.45 # I have a HP Jornada 720 which runs linux ;) 09.17.50 # I mean I pay for the damn thing, let me use it the way I want 09.17.59 # it's so much better than that windows ce os 09.18.51 # i have a psp with a hacked firmware 09.19.01 # couldn't live without it ;) 09.20.10 # and ofcourse rockbox...... that is very precious to me :) 09.20.12 # lol 09.23.18 Join B4gder [0] (n=daniel@100.78.227.87.static.s-cy.siw.siwnet.net) 09.25.56 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@avc146.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 09.41.34 Quit w1ll14m (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.44.05 Join inversions [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 09.45.17 Join w1ll14m [0] (n=w1ll14m@84-104-81-208.cable.quicknet.nl) 09.46.32 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul) 09.47.03 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc3-rdng11-0-0-cust229.winn.cable.ntl.com) 09.48.55 # damn windows! 09.49.18 # * B4gder hands w1ll14m a hammer 09.50.47 Quit cynicalliberal (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.51.19 # * w1ll14m takes the hammer and go's wild 09.51.42 Quit JoelColden ("CGI:IRC") 09.51.53 # this is my only windows machine left.......... 09.52.01 # stupid thing 09.52.11 # :) 09.54.03 Join linuxstb [0] (i=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 09.57.22 Join amar [0] (n=amar@212-139-63-83.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 09.59.55 Join Entasis [0] (n=Jarred@121.45.182.241) 10.00.45 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC") 10.01.53 # * w1ll14m works on a remote linux server via ssh on his jornada 720 10.02.12 # that's heaven :) 10.03.18 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.187.194) 10.03.53 Join JazzBone [0] (n=JazzBone@cc829402-a.groni1.gr.home.nl) 10.05.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.11.23 # B4gder: Did you see my message in the logs regarding the x5 build? 10.12.17 # jhMikeS: hi, i think your latest fix improved cop support too. 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I also found possible issue with the cpu boosting 10.16.49 # haha 10.16.51 # priceless 10.16.59 # to win the 'gold trashbin' 10.17.12 # then you'll know your tv-show sucks :P 10.19.22 Quit _Veseliq_ (Remote closed the connection) 10.20.45 Join toni1 [0] (i=5932ee36@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-283b857672b446ee) 10.20.50 # hi 10.21.19 # barrywardell: i think i found the reason for the dropouts on sansa: 10.21.29 # hi toni1 10.21.44 # you mean the audio dropouts? 10.21.56 # The cache_flush() can be interrupted before ending by the fiq 10.22.10 # this may stall the meory system 10.22.11 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 10.23.06 # after removing the function calls in lcd_update, the sound was ok (still not very loud) 10.23.28 # but this seems to be another issue 10.23.50 # ah, so it's the lcd that's slowing things down? 10.23.56 # yes 10.24.25 # the loudness has a known fix - adjust the dac volume. we just need to find the right level 10.24.36 # sounds good 10.25.52 # if we could find what the OF writes to 0xe and 0xf in the AS3514 that would tell us what level to set it to 10.26.00 # what's the other issue? 10.26.21 # oh, i only mean the loudness 10.26.25 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.26.34 # barrywardell: Were you the one who got access to the internal flash working? 10.26.38 # ah, ok 10.27.17 # Llorean: no, but I'd imagine it's just a matter of reading from address 0x0 before memory is remapped 10.27.24 # bye 10.27.26 Part toni1 10.27.33 # or did linuxstb already remap the flash to 0x20000000 10.27.38 # barrywardell: I meant internal flash as in "just the disk storage" 10.27.44 # You know, where the music is. :) 10.27.46 # ah, yes 10.27.52 # barrywardell: Only on the ipods I think. 10.27.54 # that was me in that case. 10.28.01 # I dumped the hidden partition 10.28.40 # linuxstb: oh, ok. 10.28.57 # barrywardell: JdGordon had an idea seeing if the MicroSD could be found through bank switching, but when he wrote some test code, that scanned the banks (and locked up after 0 on his 2gb), it didn't lock up after bank 2 on my 6gb, but kept going (reporting the same size for each) 10.29.49 # I was just kinda curious why the same code would behave so differently on my model compared to his, and wondered if you had an insight (of course I haven't actually seen his code, so I don't know exactly what he was doing). 10.30.34 # hmmm. the bank switching isn't part of the SD standard IIRC 10.30.49 # it's a proprietry thing 10.31.09 # so it may only work on models that have two banks (ie. >4GB) 10.31.36 # Ah, that would explain why it hung on the 2gb. 10.32.03 # Well, his code reported that banks 0 through 5 all had unrealistic sizes, so there was a little more wrong with it anyway. 10.32.22 # :) 10.32.40 # But he doesn't have a MicroSD card to test with, so I was guinea pigging as usual. 10.33.17 # Llorean: dan_a did most of the NAND driver. I just helped him find a few bugs and re-wrote a couple of the functions 10.33.44 # barrywardell: Ah, okay. 10.33.59 # according to MrH: "If driving an external card one should use SDHC spec 10.33.59 # instead, if large cards become available and are to be 10.33.59 # supported. Oh, and if external cards are to be supported, 10.34.00 DBUG Enqueued KICK barrywardell 10.34.00 # the HW will most likely allow also MMC support if so 10.34.00 # desired." 10.34.16 # I wonder if there are MicroMMC cards... 10.34.28 # Hm, there are. 10.34.59 Quit Siltaar (Remote closed the connection) 10.35.39 Join mattzz [0] (i=c19fe442@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-abb34df0ae25f7af) 10.35.45 # Rockbox is going to need a little tweaking to handle playlist made PC-side on the sansas with microSD cards in though, if we're going to use a virtual folder like the Ondio. 10.36.32 # there's also this: "Considering that the Sansa also has a microSD slot, I'd bet some of the GPIOs configured in the init sequence (or potentially some of the other registers) actually perform some sort of chip select function and allow to switch between the internal NAND and external SD card." 10.36.43 # a little request to sansa owners: extract the i2c rom using the new e200tool and compare if you get the same image as the one I distribute 10.37.15 # B4gder: Where's the new e200tool? 10.37.29 # At the old place? 10.37.32 # yeps 10.38.08 # Hi, could somebody please check if FS#6860 can be committed to SVN? Would help people collecting data for http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SandiskE200BatteryMeasurements 10.38.17 # B4gder: Also, X5 daily builds (and iPod mini, and possibly others) seem to have some build concerns. The .zips are like, 500k or less, on some dates recently (including yesterday/today for x5) 10.38.30 # oh 10.38.34 # mattzz: do the readings match what the OF reports now? if so then I think it can be committed 10.38.41 # I'll investigate that soon 10.38.46 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 10.38.46 # * barrywardell downloads e200tool 10.39.04 # * Llorean does too 10.39.10 # barrywardell: min and max value are OK now. The values inbetween are currently linearized 10.39.36 # barrywardell: so the short anwer is "yes" ;-) 10.41.09 # mattzz: ok. thanks for doing the battery benchmarks :) 10.41.59 # barrywardell: no prob :) I will keep working on a precieser discharge curve 10.42.41 # barrywardell: is anything regarding *charging* active in the code? what happens to the battery if I plug in the cable while rockbox is running? 10.42.58 # mattzz: OK, I'll leave the task open for now to let you post more accurate data 10.43.32 # mattzz: that needs some looking at. we should really reboot into the OF's usb mode when a cable is connected 10.44.44 # barrywardell: would be good if the core people w/ access to the datasheet could give an indication of what can be treated by the circuits and what has to be done in SW. nobody wants do damage his battery :-P 10.45.32 # B4gder: What do I need to do to read the i2c rom? 10.45.54 # barrywardell: With the current bootloader, you just need to shut down Rockbox on USB insert 10.45.55 # mattzz: I think we can answer any questions you may have about it 10.45.55 # uhm, check one of them i2c commands 10.46.03 # i2cdump I believe 10.46.05 # B4gder: I tried i2cdump 10.46.31 # How do I get my device in a mode where it shows up as 6666:e200 rather than 0781:0720 10.46.55 # you don't force that 10.47.00 # barrywardell: The sansa wakes up on USB insert, and the bootloader starts the OF on USB detect, so shutting down on USB insert triggers a reboot into the OF ->USB mode 10.47.07 # as it requires you to first damage the i2c rom 10.47.22 # B4gder: Well, it's only looking for that. 10.47.39 # are you in manufactor mode when trying this? 10.47.46 # barrywardell: Do you want to release the bootloader with USB detection? 10.47.49 # B4gder: Yes 10.47.57 # ok, weird 10.48.21 # e200tool only scans for 6666:e200 when invoking the i2cdump, it doesn't check for the other one, at least it doesn't say that it does. 10.48.47 # Llorean: I agree. Can we make sure that there is no loop (rockbox firmware --> usb cable connect --> reboot --> rockbox firmware --> usb...) 10.49.25 # mattzz: Rockbox would have to not shut down if a USB cable is detected during startup then. 10.49.26 # I dont know if there is a way to reboot explicitely into OF without keypress while booting 10.49.35 # ah, ok 10.49.42 # Llorean: e200tool init, followed by e200tool i2cdump i2c.bin 10.49.48 # mattzz: As I said, the current bootloader in SVN goes into the OF if the bootloader detects a USB cable. No keypress necessary 10.49.53 # B4gder: mine is different 10.49.55 # barrywardell: I swear I did an init first. 10.50.11 # gotta go - cu 10.50.12 # barrywardell: I'll do it again 10.50.23 Quit mattzz ("CGI:IRC") 10.50.26 # barrywardell: and what model do you have? does it differ much? 10.50.33 # e280 10.50.36 # how come you can i2cdump but not Llorean? 10.50.39 # it differs by 1 byte 10.50.54 # care to share your dump? 10.50.55 # B4gder: e200tool init finds my device, but says it can't claim it. 10.51.05 # * Llorean hadn't noticed that bit. 10.51.09 # aha 10.51.23 # Llorean: have you successfully e200tooled your sansa before? 10.51.41 # B4gder: I've successfully e200tool inited without that failure to claim message. 10.51.50 # linuxstb: yes, I think it would be good to release. 10.52.37 # barrywardell: Do you have a binary? 10.53.24 # B4gder: http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/sansa/i2c.bin 10.53.35 # B4gder: just byte 0x9 is different 10.53.47 # linuxstb: I can build and test one now... 10.53.49 # B4gder: Ah, sudo fixed everything 10.54.04 # barrywardell: thanks 10.54.22 # Oh, well, it fixed "init" 10.54.26 # But not i2cdump 10.54.39 # Llorean: are you in Manufacturing mode? 10.55.00 # barrywardell: Manufacturing mode is the mode in which the device just lights up the wheel and nothing else, right? 10.55.10 # yeah, that's it 10.55.51 # I'll try reconnecting it. 10.55.58 # Maybe the failures earlier confused things 10.57.05 Quit gursikh (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.01.53 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54965e07.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.01.58 # * B4gder runs sansapatcher 11.02.51 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 11.02.57 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 11.03.53 # and... data abort 11.04.42 # B4gder: Apparently e200tool just doesn't like me. It's giving me bulk write errors while trying to initialize the USB stub now. =/ 11.04.44 # linuxstb: http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/sansa/PP5022.mi4 11.04.56 # Apparently connection timed out. 11.05.48 # annoying 11.05.49 # linuxstb: that's svn r12896 11.06.45 # B4gder: Okay, that time it claimed to work, and the i2cdump still didn't work. I suspect it just hates me. 11.06.57 # the only new thing is usb detection and disabling database rebuild with firmware versions 01.01.11A and 1.00.12E 11.07.23 # Llorean: are you doing this on windows? I've heard e200tool isn't too reliable there 11.07.34 # barrywardell: VMware 11.07.46 Quit inversions (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.07.53 # barrywardell: 404 11.08.17 # linuxstb: sorry, http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/sansapatcher/PP5022.mi4 11.09.48 # barrywardell: What I don't understand is, I thought it's not supposed to be searching for 6666:e200 11.10.16 # yes it is 11.10.23 # init uploads new code that changes the ids 11.10.26 # Ah 11.10.42 # * B4gder gets info from the secret feed... 11.10.51 # Well that's not working properly then. :) 11.10.58 # Let me see if I can check some things here 11.12.03 # Alright, my device vanishes from lsusb after e200tool init 11.12.51 # Llorean: http://rafb.net/p/SzSxAX65.html <- that's what I did 11.13.15 Quit Llorean (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.13.34 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 11.13.58 Join BigMac [0] (n=Mike@c-71-234-95-131.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) 11.14.02 # barrywardell: With the exception of the '6666:e200 ... found!' and what follows, it looks exactly the same as my output 11.15.25 # I could dump my e260 11.15.49 # B4gder: I've figured out the problem 11.15.52 # It's a VMWare thing 11.15.58 # I haven't figured out the solution yet, but I've got the problem 11.16.00 # oh, I did it with vmware just now 11.16.16 # Oh. Well then. 11.16.30 # I have a big "Prototype Vendor ID USB device" button at the top of my VMWare window 11.16.39 # That is blue, instead of white, indicating it's not connected. 11.16.43 # aha 11.16.47 # mine is white 11.17.12 # Mine refuses to go white 11.17.13 Join eatnumber1 [0] (n=eatnumbe@eatnumber.rh.rit.edu) 11.18.26 # my e260 dump differs from MrH's 11.18.34 # if anyone is familiar with the powermgmt code, can they point me at where the charging mode is activated, and where the detection of the charger takes place? My ipod does not detect that it is charging, and so reboots after the timeout_interval 11.20.43 # B4gder: Can you update the download site with http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/sansapatcher.zip ? 11.21.09 # Alright, I think I'm ready to declare my VMWare "unwilling to cooperate". :( 11.21.42 # B4gder: is it the same byte again? what model does MrH have? 11.22.08 # eatnumber1: Which ipod do you have? 11.22.10 # the same byte yes, as the first one (I only used cmp) 11.22.17 # Oh, B4gder, and others, had you seen http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/rockbox ? I'm not sure when this sprouted up, but its RSS feed at least works a lot better than the gmane one. 11.22.19 # comparing mine with your showed another diff 11.22.34 # barrywardell: he has a 260, but I think he might have a euro version 11.23.02 # mine's a US e280 11.23.14 # eatnumber1: The function you need to complete for charger detection is firmware/target/arm/ipod/power-ipod.c 11.23.21 # I'm keeping MrH posted on the dumps 11.23.38 # linuxstb, I have a nano 11.24.48 # linuxstb: done! 11.25.37 # hmm... i've never seen this syntax before... would someone please care to explain it to me? 11.25.41 # (GPIOL_INPUT_VAL & 0x08)?false:true 11.25.46 # eatnumber1: The first thing to do is to go into the System -> Debug -> View I/O ports screen and see if you can identify how to detect the charger. 11.26.40 # eatnumber1: That checks bit 3 of GPIO port L, returning false if it's 1, true if it's 0. 11.26.43 # eatnumber1: if(GPIOL_INPUT_VAL & 0x08) then false else true, basically. 11.26.49 # ah, ok 11.27.46 # ok, i've got the gpio digits for charging and not charging 11.28.27 # You don't want "charging", you want "charger inserted". They are different. 11.29.02 # erm, yea, thats what I meant 11.29.25 # Llorean: nice page -- how about collecting such information in the wiki? 11.29.26 # GPIO_B changes from F9 to F8 when charger is plugged in 11.29.28 # But you need to test when the battery is fully charged, do make sure you do have the right one. 11.29.39 # ^to make sure 11.29.42 # ah 11.29.43 # ok 11.29.45 # there are quite frequently questions about a rss feed. 11.29.49 # bluebrother: I just stumbled across the page. I have no idea who registered us there. 11.30.03 # one problem is that rockbox reports the status of the battery wrong 11.30.06 # we could have an ExternalRelatedPages page 11.31.21 # is there an elseifdef statement? Vim isn't highlighting #elseifdef 11.31.35 # #else defined(foo) 11.31.41 # k 11.31.46 # nah ... 11.32.04 # forget me ... was something like #elseif or #elif 11.32.14 # * bluebrother should get more coffee 11.32.52 # vim likes #elif defined( IPOD_NANO ) 11.33.06 # guess vim is right then ;-) 11.33.11 # eatnumber1: Yes, that's perfect. 11.34.22 # so since the gpio is changing from F9 to F8, that would be bit one I have to check? 11.35.07 # Yes - (GPIOB_INPUT_VAL & 0x01) 11.35.41 # ok, so i've got #elif defined( IPOD_NANO ) 11.35.43 # return (GPIOB_INPUT_VAL & 0x01)?false:true; 11.36.12 # just gotta wait till it's charged to check that the bit doesn't change 11.36.58 # in the meantime, how could I improve the battery statusbar? Rockbox never reports correct battery information 11.37.43 # I don't know how to do that, but I think it involves running the battery_bench plugin and analysing the results in order to convert voltage to percentage. 11.38.20 # oh yea, something I forgot... the #elif defined( IPOD_NANO ) statement, don't I have to define IPOD_NANO somewhere? 11.39.00 # No, the Rockbox build system defines that. 11.39.14 # ok 11.39.59 # oh, lol... looking at the rest of the code, it seems that bit one of GPIOB is for when it is charging =) 11.40.22 # it is probably the same as the video... on my ipod that GPIO also changes when I insert the charger 11.42.35 Join printfXh4 [0] (i=pseudo@ppp210-102.lns2.bne1.internode.on.net) 11.43.20 # ok, ipod is charged... GPIOB changed, but GPIOL did not... 11.43.23 # * eatnumber1 compiles 11.44.19 # eatnumber1: I think you may also need to modify firmware/export/config-ipodnano.h - to define CONFIG_CHARGING. I would just copy the same options from the ipod video config file. 11.46.03 # I don't see anything 11.46.43 Nick std|denis is now known as std|na (n=Miranda@ws-80-68-252-11.rbc.ru) 11.48.48 # what is the difference between the Normal and Advanced builds? 11.50.06 # eatnumber1: Where are you looking? Search for "CHARGING" in config-ipodnano.h 11.50.20 # no, i mean in the build process 11.50.24 # Advanced builds are for players which have had their hardware modified. 11.50.29 # ah 11.51.19 # the only things there is for hardware controlled charging... which idk if the ipod can do 11.51.40 # Just copy what's in config-ipodvideo.h 11.52.02 # ah, ok 11.52.34 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 11.52.38 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp37-130.adsl.forthnet.gr) 11.53.23 # hmm, in config-ipodnano.h there already is a commented out statement. The only difference between that statement and the one in ipodvideo.h is that ipodnano.h has CHARGING_SIMPLE and ipodvideo has CHARGING_MONITOR 11.53.30 # do you know what each does? 11.55.18 # arg, I assume I need a cross-compiler for the arm processor? 11.57.04 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@m34.net81-65-114.noos.fr) 11.59.54 Part kaaloo 12.02.44 Quit BigMac (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.05.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.07.23 Quit barrywardell () 12.07.53 # eatnumber1: you do, yes 12.08.37 # tools/rockboxdev.sh on anything except cygwin, for which we have prebuilt packages 12.10.11 Join BigMac [0] (n=Mike@c-71-234-95-131.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) 12.11.48 # is this something simple enough that I can just check it in w/o testing on my actual ipod? 12.13.39 Join chrisjs169|brb [0] (n=Jack@unaffiliated/chrisjs169) 12.13.41 Part JazzBone 12.14.30 Join Moos [0] (i=Moos@m135.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 12.15.26 # eatnumber1: What do you mean by "check it in" ? You can't commit code to Rockbox SVN unless you've been granted write access to it. 12.15.39 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.15.52 # eatnumber1: When you're happy with your work, put a patch on Flyspray for review 12.15.52 Join lee-qid_ [0] (n=liqid@p54965E07.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.15.52 Nick lee-qid_ is now known as lee-qid (n=liqid@p54965E07.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.16.15 # ah, ok... I assumed stupid things =) 12.16.44 # can it be a diff instead of a patch? 12.16.56 # They're the same thing. 12.20.38 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 12.20.45 # can svn do a diff of a file that has not been checked in with the latest version? 12.20.53 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54965e07.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.20.57 Join nls [0] (n=nils@nl104-202-175.student.uu.se) 12.21.39 # Yes. If you haven't modified anything else, just do "svn diff > mypatch.diff" in the "rockbox" directory (i.e. the same level as apps, firmware, tools etc) 12.21.50 Join marc| [0] (n=marc@124.154.78.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 12.21.56 Quit pearldiver (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.22.11 Quit marc (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 12.22.25 # If you only want to include specific files, do something like "svn diff firmare/whereever/file1.c firmware/whereever/file2.c > mypatch.diff" 12.23.36 # k 12.23.42 # and where should I post it? 12.24.13 # linuxstb, preglow: I hope the reply will be a 'yes' :) http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2007-March/025811.html 12.24.14 # Click on the "patches" link on the Rockbox home page (in the menu on the left) 12.24.32 Join nick89 [0] (i=nick89@c220-237-70-197.kelvn1.qld.optusnet.com.au) 12.26.58 Nick nick89 is now known as Cattlyst (i=nick89@c220-237-70-197.kelvn1.qld.optusnet.com.au) 12.27.48 # ok, it seems to work fine on my ipod 12.28.30 # hello 12.28.34 Nick std|na is now known as std|denis (n=Miranda@ws-80-68-252-11.rbc.ru) 12.30.14 # markun: would put a smile on my face, yes 12.32.45 # preglow: if only it was easier to import the ffmpeg codecs 12.34.43 # give me a hint, please, why rockbox shutting down right after the start in normal startup, and running ok in USB mode? 12.35.30 # well in flyspray, patch number 4984 is for a wma codec taken from ffmpeg 12.35.53 # std|denis: low battery? 12.36.29 # eatnumber1: I know, I'm just saying it would be nice if it was easier to make such a patch 12.37.16 # markun, ah 12.37.21 Join brun0_|SuSE [0] (n=brun0_@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 12.37.42 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b9a4a.ucd.ie) 12.38.01 Join norbusan [0] (n=norbusan@generic-nat.unisi.it) 12.38.30 Part norbusan 12.38.31 # markun: but it should show me "WARNING! BATTERY LOW!!" message. isn't it? 12.38.49 # std|denis: yes, it should. 12.38.58 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@host.91-92-172-170.airbites.bg) 12.38.58 Quit barrywardell (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.39.05 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b9a4a.ucd.ie) 12.39.06 # but it did't 12.39.50 # after some reconnects of USB and starting original, iRiver's, firmware it working now as it should.. 12.40.49 # markun: benjamin larsson = merbanan (in here) ? 12.40.59 # yes 12.41.21 Quit eatnumber1 ("Leaving") 12.41.23 # the email addy made me suspect, yes 12.41.24 # heh 12.41.33 # damn, i've been meaning to have a serious look at ffmpeg 12.41.39 # but somehow it just doesn't happen 12.47.36 # preglow: is there anything stopping a commit of tomals vorbis patches, in FS#6848? 12.47.53 # nls: well, the latest comment doesn't sound too good 12.50.54 # preglow: right... could you post your changes someplace? 12.51.50 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 12.52.24 # i have to run very soon 12.52.36 # just put swap32() around the only two ptr array accesses you see 12.52.47 # that's not commitable, of course, but works 12.52.47 # ok, thanks 12.53.03 # at least for coldfire, that again will destroy arm :> 12.53.26 # couldn't we use something like letoh() ? 12.54.05 # yes 12.54.39 # maybe ther's a more clever way 13.00.04 # well, we have those macros 13.00.11 # system.h 13.02.40 # nls: but no, i'd love to see them commited 13.02.45 # nice gain with not too much code 13.03.37 # * preglow indulges in one more nag before leaving: any makefile gurus around that could have a look at (the most annoying) fs #6847? 13.03.41 # http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2007-March/025811.html 13.03.50 # yes, spurious paste day 13.07.49 Quit amar ("Konversation terminated!") 13.09.51 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 13.13.55 # preglow: odd, I haven't noticed happen but I'm using make 3.81 ... all I can really say about it 13.14.49 # I remember encountering the need for double makes with the old version I had...not just for codecs 13.15.14 # there's another fun one, but not as anoyying, when running make -j it errors out on codec_crt0.o file not found... 13.15.32 # sometimes, not always 13.15.56 # nls: Yes, I get that sometimes (with make -j) 13.22.41 # the codec double-make is a dependency problem 13.23.30 # Can you see the problem? 13.23.34 # yes 13.24.20 # next logical question: can anything be done about it? 13.24.28 # There's a probably related problem: In simulator builds, codecs are always relinked, even if issuing 'make' with no changes at all 13.24.31 Join pearldiver [0] (n=say@cpe-72-225-231-80.nyc.res.rr.com) 13.27.40 # I never used -j so I guess that explains it 13.32.21 # Any amd64 users around who can update the sansapatcher binary? You need to have http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/e200/PP5022.mi4 in the rbutil/sansapatcher directory, and then just type "make". 13.32.34 # ^linux amd64 users 13.33.46 # linuxstb: sure, but I don't have a sansa so I can't test... 13.34.31 Join thewho [0] (i=3ecebc53@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f7e89c19cd1c119e) 13.34.35 Join Khalsa [0] (n=Khalsa@adsl-68-92-212-252.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 13.36.33 # Is anyone familiar with the code in tree.c? Specifically dirbrowse()? What does it return? Declared is int, but there are some "return false" and "return true". 13.36.39 # linuxstb: ok, it gave me a warning but the binary runs... should I post it somewhere? 13.37.03 # Or is it one big mess? 13.40.15 Quit Cattlyst ("Gotta Go") 13.41.50 # nls: Thanks. We need to give it to LinusN or B4gder/Bagder so they can put it on the download server. 13.42.04 # Is it just a single printf warning? 13.42.19 # sansapatcher.c:710: warning: format ‘%llu’ expects type ‘long long unsigned int’, but argument 2 has type ‘loff_t’ 13.42.29 # so, yeah I guess so 13.46.40 Quit barrywardell () 13.48.44 Join Stalwart^ [0] (n=stalwart@ip-10.154.Home-Lan.fastnet.lv) 13.49.07 # off_t can be unsigned long long or unsigned long depending on arch 13.49.08 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b9a4a.ucd.ie) 13.50.11 # they invented the z modifier for that 13.50.16 # %zd 13.50.34 Quit secleinteer (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.50.52 # hm, or was that for size_t? 13.50.54 # Anyone on dirbrowse()? 13.51.15 # Bagder: could I send you the updated sansapatcher? 13.51.27 # nls: sure, mail it my way 13.54.36 # are we gonna make an announcement about sansapatcher? 13.54.44 # in the forums? mailing list? 13.54.53 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.198.6) 13.55.00 # sounds like a good idea (both) 13.55.45 Quit thewho ("CGI:IRC") 13.57.33 # Should we just update the manual and point people there? or to the wiki? 13.59.54 # Why not all of the above? 14.00.21 # it's good to have one consistent place to direct people to 14.00.32 # and only one set of instructions to keep up to date 14.00.39 Quit Stalwart (Connection timed out) 14.05.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.07.30 Join GodEater_ [0] (n=bryan@host-84-9-129-32.bulldogdsl.com) 14.15.13 Quit barrywardell () 14.16.04 # I think we should remove the instructions from the wiki, and make the manual the only source. That's been done for ipods now. 14.16.49 # USB detection in the bootloader is probably a good thing to use to persuade people to upgrade their bootloader to the sansapatcher way. 14.20.30 Join Webgiest [0] (i=4a87b2ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-fa76a5a16b2cfa95) 14.25.56 # are there any e2xx users here that have noticed a strange screen bug "screen fills with black with vertical lines" since the double buffer commit? 14.27.42 # can't reproduce it right away and its happened before "on startup" but never this freqently and never after RB has started completely 14.28.27 # Webgiest: are you using the most recent bootloader 14.29.31 # no im not, but I was told yesturday that it wasn't needed 14.30.44 # its not the starting up bug that gets me it happens while playing music and playing games since yesturday 14.31.00 # at the same time* 14.31.00 # Webgiest: well updating wouldn't hurt, it can now even detect usb in the bootloader which eill send you directly to the of 14.31.19 # but yeah it probably wont help... 14.33.19 Join jac0b [0] (i=9b6d0515@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1ff26b6d935d9a21) 14.33.44 Nick Stalwart^ is now known as Stalwart (n=stalwart@ip-10.154.Home-Lan.fastnet.lv) 14.35.20 # well just curious to see if im the only one experiancing this bug I'll try the latest build on my other e2xx today and see if happens again 14.36.51 Quit SirFunk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.38.30 Quit aliask ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/0000000000]") 14.58.02 Quit brun0_|SuSE (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.58.13 Quit YouCeyE (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.00.01 Join pixelma_ [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 15.00.23 Quit pixelma (Nick collision from services.) 15.00.23 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 15.00.56 Quit Khalsa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.01.29 Quit jac0b ("CGI:IRC") 15.02.10 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484a7ec.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.02.10 Quit Nico_P (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.02.13 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 15.04.27 Join himitsu [0] (n=himitsu@61.213.185.96) 15.07.03 Join jac0b [0] (n=jac0b@gifn3.fpl.com) 15.14.54 Quit std|denis ("bye") 15.18.39 Join KCC [0] (i=4a77eac8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2c456406d2abf4f8) 15.19.14 # heyy everybody, hows rockbox comin along? 15.19.29 # havent used by box'd gigabeat in almost 2 months now, anything new and exciting? 15.19.45 Join ctaf [0] (n=ctaf@ram94-6-82-242-23-70.fbx.proxad.net) 15.19.47 # it's coming along nicely, check the changelog 15.20.10 # 2 month is pretty long by rockbox standards 15.21.10 Part LinusN 15.22.05 # I see theres quite a few new WPS 15.22.10 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-075-177-158-190.nc.res.rr.com) 15.22.11 # you guys are awesome hahaa 15.23.19 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 15.23.41 # is there any headway on the low volume on the sansa 15.24.23 Quit KCC ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 15.25.29 Quit desowin (Excess Flood) 15.25.50 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@avc146.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 15.26.14 Quit jac0b ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 15.28.43 Quit idnar (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 15.28.57 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 15.38.02 Join stinke [0] (n=mighty@p54810e05.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.39.09 Join perl|work [0] (n=jacquesc@static-64-61-105-170.isp.broadviewnet.net) 15.39.22 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@67.64.145.227) 15.40.29 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@admin-147-222.potsdam.edu) 15.43.41 Quit stinke ("Verlassend") 15.43.58 Join Nergar [0] (n=Nergar@189.141.112.173) 15.46.28 # hello, i have a X5 and i want to know what does rockbox offers 15.47.31 # it offers fame, glory and profit! 15.47.41 # we just haven't figured out exactly how yet 15.47.51 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox 15.48.15 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 15.48.15 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FeatureComparison 15.51.39 # reading 15.52.49 # ha 15.52.56 # nice to read something, forgetting the context 15.53.07 # I thought you were talking about a car :) 15.54.26 # does rockbox supports wma? 15.54.34 # not yet 15.54.36 # aand video playback in the x5? 15.54.42 # yes 15.54.52 # MPEG1/2 15.55.07 # 4? 15.55.15 # well, xvid? 15.55.24 # you need to transcode anyway, so there's no need for mpeg4 15.55.50 # Nergar: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer 15.56.33 # Nergar: it's still work on progress 15.56.45 Quit pondlife ("disconnected has pondlife") 15.56.46 # ok, how safe is it? 15.57.03 # i guess, since it is a 2.5 it must be really safe 15.57.06 # very safe 15.57.12 # it isn't 2.5 for the x5 though 15.57.21 # :S 15.57.25 # Nergar: we gave up on releases after 2.5 :) 15.57.36 # why? 15.58.01 # It didn't really work when we tried to get a 3.0 release 15.58.08 # but maybe we can try again 15.58.37 # gonna try it, i almost bricked my x5 a few moments ago when formatting the hdd of the x5 15.59.26 # why would that brick an x5? 16.00.17 # Nergar: I think rockbox doesn't add too much on the X5 compared to other Players (like the Gigabeat which is unusable for many people without rockbox) 16.00.45 # so, should i try it or not? 16.01.26 # Nergar: try it and if you don't like it you can always switch back 16.01.46 # B4gder, cus my lappy crashed while formatting then, windows couldn't recognize the device 16.01.55 # If you don't expect too much of it, it can only be better than expected :) 16.02.06 # lol 16.02.19 # I think people use the term 'bricked' too much 16.03.06 # If I had a brick for every time 'bricked' was misused... 16.03.09 # at least I only consider a DAP to be a brick when it cannot be fixed anymore 16.03.26 # hcs: a castle! 16.03.35 # markun: so true... 16.03.49 # well, linux had no problem formatting my x5 16.03.55 # or we could make a big ROCKBOX logo on the top of a hill in Sweden somewhere out of brick 16.04.05 # yay 16.04.30 # * nls would volounteer if someone gave me the bricks :-) 16.04.42 # markun: or we could throw them through the windows of Apple's offices until they give up the ipod specs 16.04.43 # Where people take their children for a picknick in the weekend.. 16.05.02 Quit himitsu (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.05.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.05.07 # "look kids, that's the REAL rockbox brick construction" 16.05.07 # hcs: now you are just dreaming :) 16.05.15 # hcs: but does apple have windows in it's offices? :-P 16.05.26 # ;) 16.05.40 # should've called it "brickbox" 16.05.53 # lmao @ nls 16.06.20 # nls: ah, got it, heh 16.06.49 # does the Rockbox office have bricks in the walls? ;-) 16.08.01 # brb 16.21.10 Join Ribs [0] (n=ribs@91.84.8.218) 16.25.42 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 16.25.43 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.25.51 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp37-130.adsl.forthnet.gr) 16.28.45 Join Kitt0s [0] (i=Kaa@84.94.17.144.cable.012.net.il) 16.29.44 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@unaffiliated/funky) 16.30.46 # ok, i'm lost 16.30.55 # where? 16.30.59 Join inversions [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 16.31.16 # the manual says i need to download a release, and also the font package 16.31.37 # but it doesn't say anithing on where to place the font package 16.31.38 # there is no release for the x5. Use a "current build" instead 16.31.50 # the font package is on the archived builds page 16.32.00 # yes, i have both 16.32.11 # but where do i place the font package? 16.32.16 # ah, no. On the extras page ;-) 16.32.23 # just extract it like the build 16.32.32 # it should create files in /.rockbox/fonts 16.32.49 # and the zip has the structure in itself. 16.33.46 # oh, ok so i overwrite the current build with the fonts package? 16.34.20 # Nergar: it will not overwrite anything 16.34.20 # you could say so 16.34.38 # it won't overwrite but only add files, but it's some case of "overwriting" 16.34.50 # yes, i know, but it WILL ask me if i want to overwrite 16.34.55 # I guess windows will warn you about the possibility of overwriting files 16.36.01 # * nls wishes rbutil was released and all this would be "click the button"... 16.36.07 # any OS 16.36.19 # not any 16.36.27 # windows, macos, linux and possibly bsd 16.36.45 # when unzipping a build from linux using the command line unzip it only asks if there are already files existing 16.36.51 # * bluebrother does this regularly 16.37.33 # well, command line is another thing 16.37.42 # bluebrother: yes, me to I even made a script that does make && make zip && unzip ... && eject :-) 16.38.01 # hehe ... haven't bothered with that yet 16.38.18 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 16.40.02 # mmm, i did something wrong 16.40.40 # Nergar: what did you do wrong? (or why do you think you did) 16.40.43 # lmao, i used the original x5 FW as a bootloader 16.40.46 # nls: do you know what "error -3" means? I sometimes get this on my h120, but it works fine 16.41.25 # bluebrother, nope 16.41.43 # strange. Just read a report on the forums about that. 16.43.35 # bluebrother: looks like "wrong model" 16.44.10 # mmm, didn't like the GUI 16.44.24 # select a different theme 16.44.30 # where? 16.44.34 # the default one isn't the nicest 16.44.57 # main menu / settings / browse themes 16.45.19 Quit B4gder ("Time to say moo") 16.46.38 # ... we need an FAQ entry about album art 16.47.07 # the same question keeps coming over and over again : "when will this patch be committed ?" 16.47.24 # "never" 16.48.27 Join idnar [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 16.49.03 # the themes sux 16.49.17 # tried iCatcher? 16.49.23 # yes 16.49.30 # so minimalistics 16.49.40 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@p549ae89b.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.49.48 # then you might want to visit the WpsGallery in the wiki and / or rockbox-themes.org 16.53.27 # bluebrother: nooo :) "when MoB is in" 16.53.40 # Nico_P: Then it will be a different patch... 16.54.01 # linuxstb: I'll have it in the same tracker entry 16.54.14 # but I see your point 16.54.21 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.54.22 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 16.54.23 Join fluke [0] (n=fluke@219.129.250.212) 16.57.57 # hello, i want to know how you port the rockbox to a new mp3 player. 16.58.00 Quit daurnimator (Success) 16.58.18 # fluke: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=NewPort 16.58.42 # thank you ,i 'll check it out 16.58.56 # fluke: Which player? 16.59.52 # Nergar: I think that the rockbox looks matter more to the non-developers than developers. 17.00.16 # yep, taking a look to the themes 17.01.25 Join joshin [0] (n=josh@unaffiliated/joshin) 17.03.28 # Nico_P: AlbumArt is useless :D 17.04.49 # bluebrother: now that's a provovation :) 17.04.58 # provocation* 17.05.21 Join himitsu [0] (n=himitsu@61.213.185.96) 17.05.34 # i have some experience to C programming, but I haven't done anything to microchip. and, im not an english speaker, i have a little problem in reading english information. :( 17.06.13 # hehe 17.06.40 # fluke: have you checked if your player can upgrade its firmware? 17.06.58 # fluke: Which player do you want to port Rockbox to? 17.06.58 # fluke: where are you from ? 17.07.04 # MoB is supposed to allow reading an arbitrary 17.07.11 # amount of metadata per track yes ? 17.07.40 # doesn't this mean that you'd need album art per mp3/ogg/ ? 17.07.48 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 17.07.51 # hi, is there any way to reset a sandisk sansa e260 with original firmware? 17.08.15 # all these talk about alurm art and other looks like the the fight between kde and gnome, some like the to tweak things (dev), some like easy things (users), choose your side ;) 17.08.29 # album^^ 17.08.39 # the vendor(the mp3 maker, i dont know if i spelt it wrong) provide a software to upgrade the firmware, but i want to add some function to my mp3, so i think of porting rockbox to it 17.09.26 # im from china, my mp3 is an old-style one, ANECA sf810 17.09.46 # the vendor's firmware on my sandisk sansa e260 hangs, is the only way to get it back working to wait until the batteries are discharged? 17.10.20 # GodEater_: I'm not sure what you mean... Do you mean we need to buffer one image per audio track? 17.10.21 # toffe82, I think the main argument around album art is it's implementation - it'll always be a personal choice as to whether or not to use that implementation. 17.10.46 # ok 17.10.47 # linuxstb, not that we *need* to no 17.10.54 # sbeh: hold down power for about 15 seconds 17.11.05 # fluke: your english seems fine to me, don't worry :) 17.11.29 # fluke: do you know what kind of hardware is inside the SF810? 17.11.30 # linuxstb, the description of MoB as it was explained to me was to load metadata for a given track into part of the audio buffer? 17.11.52 # No, it's to load metadata for every track into the audio buffer, immediately before the track itself. 17.12.05 # every track in the playlist ? 17.12.13 # Every track that is buffered. 17.12.18 # nls: ah, thank you 17.12.35 # and that metadata can come from anywhere? Not just the tracks themselves ? 17.13.02 # It's whatever the "get_metadata(filename)" function reads for that file. 17.13.26 # so for album art that could include just the .bmp file in the same directory as the track 17.13.28 # I see 17.13.43 # when I read metadata, I just assumed tags 17.14.01 # No, it's everything surrounding the track. Lyrics have also been mentioned. 17.14.04 # , i dont know, i'll check it out by google, and i plan to buy a 2nd-hand ipod, then maybe i can add some function to the current rockbox firmware 17.14.08 # I should remember what's said about assumption :) 17.15.05 # :) 17.15.14 # how large is the audio buffer on a swcodec target typically ? 17.15.17 # the reason i want to port the firmware, is not only to satisfy my need but also to improve my programming skill, im a colledge student in Computer Science 17.15.42 # fluke: ok, great 17.15.47 # welcome to rockbox :) 17.16.12 # i come from the Google Code of Summer page 17.16.27 # we also have a chinese translation, but it's difficult to find good fonts 17.16.36 # GodEater: The 32MB targets have about 29MB for the audio buffer, depending on things like the database, dircache etc. 17.17.10 # Some targets are 16MB, and the 60GB/80GB ipod videos are 64MB. 17.17.20 # and is the audio buffer the one which contains the compressed data, or the uncompressed pcm ? 17.17.21 # I think I need some time to get familiar with your project, If I could do it , I want to make it support Chinese language 17.17.29 # GodEater: The compressed data. 17.17.40 # so there should be plenty of room really then 17.17.46 # There's a 512KB buffer for the uncompressed PCM. 17.18.17 # fluke: we already have support for the chinese language 17.18.20 # , I didn't know you have a chinese translation 17.19.02 # fluke: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/lang/ 17.19.14 # chinese-simp.lang and chinese-trad.lang 17.19.17 # ok , i'll take a look at the wiki, i think i don't know enough about this project 17.19.35 # GodEater: Currently Rockbox (swcodec) has a hard-coded limit of 32 tracks which can be buffered at the same time. So we have an array of 32 metadata structs. So adding album-art cleanly (i.e. not performing additional disk spin-ups) would mean reserving buffer space for 32 images. 17.21.16 Quit himitsu (Remote closed the connection) 17.23.12 Join himitsu [0] (n=himitsu@61.213.185.96) 17.23.46 # fluke: I think your player has a Sigmatel 3520 inside - the same as the iriver I5/G2/U2 players. This is a problem... 17.24.54 # why? it has an encrypt machantrism? 17.25.14 # It's a DSP and there is no free C compiler for it. 17.25.21 Quit himitsu (Remote closed the connection) 17.26.11 # what cpu does ipod have? ARM? 17.26.25 # It has two 75MHz arm7tdmi processors. 17.26.49 # looks very powerful 17.26.58 # it's not :) 17.27.25 # it's only an mp3 player 17.27.27 # well, it depends to what you compare it of course 17.27.35 # Rockbox only uses one of the two CPUs at the moment - but work is ongoing to use the second one. 17.28.03 # fluke: the Gigabeat has a 300MHz ARM9 (but yes, that's overkill for a mp3 player) 17.28.36 Join himitsu [0] (n=himitsu@61.213.185.96) 17.29.49 # to use two cpu at the same time(i dont know how to spell the word "simotaniously"), do you nees a parell algorithm? 17.30.10 # something like distributed system 17.31.54 # fluke: we will run some things on one processor and other things on the other. UI on the first and mp3 decoding on the second for example. 17.32.32 # or video decoding on one and audio decoding on the other 17.32.36 # :) anyway, it's a good way 17.33.33 # can i just ask you something out of the topic of rockbox? 17.33.47 # fluke: it depends.. 17.34.03 # mostly if people ask off-topic stuff they are just told "this is #rockbox" 17.34.24 # oh, i understand 17.34.50 # markun: this is a good one http://www.zune-linux.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=12 17.39.04 # toffe82: too bad he's the only one who knows what he is talking about 17.39.17 # yes 17.39.56 Quit zylche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.41.52 Join zylche [0] (n=wheee@82-41-83-91.cable.ubr01.dund.blueyonder.co.uk) 17.43.42 # do you use hardware simulator? like arm simulator 17.44.21 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b9a4a.ucd.ie) 17.48.07 # do you use a ipod simulator to test your code or on the real machine? 17.48.51 # fluke: we have a ui simulator that runs ui code on a computer the rest is real testing on devices 17.50.01 # fluke: The Rockbox "simulator" is not an emulator - it is Rockbox compiled to run on your PC - i.e. x86 code. 17.50.33 # markun: I find his #2 optimistic though... 17.50.35 # im checking out the codes from your svn, can you tell me what ui do you use? by yourown or minigui or some other open source ui? 17.50.53 # Our own. 17.51.12 # It's a very simple, mainly text-based UI. 17.51.55 # i saw some game plugins on your wiki for ipod-port 17.52.20 Join |Rincewind| [0] (i=mxFOLCsD@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 17.52.36 # The game plugins run on all ports - Rockbox is 99% the same on all players. 17.53.20 # why does you just allow one plugin run on the same time? 17.53.39 # how to you implement the plugin 17.53.46 # haha scummvm for the summer of code 17.53.48 # nice 17.54.40 # linuxstb: maybe a bit optimistic, but I've emailed with this guy and he really knows what he is talking about. 17.54.41 # is rockbox only a single-process os? 17.55.22 # fluke: no, we have threads 17.56.13 # so if you wish, you can allow more than one plugin run on the same time? 17.56.42 # you make plugin a sub-thread (like fork) or something diferent? 17.57.14 # No, plugins run in the main (UI) thread. 17.57.52 Join piroko [0] (n=jeremy@dialup-4.225.93.103.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) 17.57.56 # hehe, thank you for your patient 17.58.10 # Does the 4G ipod still have the cpu-frequency-scaling-crash-bug? 17.58.19 # linuxstb: the guy says himself it might sound a little optimistic 17.58.29 # fluke: if you don`t like it, you`re free to patch the code :P 17.58.39 # markun: mayeb you should suggest he worked with toffe82 ? 17.59.25 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@204.158.157.238) 17.59.46 # , i come here to learn your program :) 18.02.38 # fluke: A plugin can spawn a (limited number of) threads, but then it would still not be easily be possible to run several plugins at once 18.02.48 Join cynicalliberal__ [0] (n=chatzill@70.137.159.198) 18.02.49 Nick cynicalliberal__ is now known as cynicalliberal (n=chatzill@70.137.159.198) 18.03.00 # First, co-ordinating screen access would become a problem. 18.03.17 # fluke: Another important thing to realise about Rockbox is that there is no dynamic memory allocation. 18.03.38 # But even simpler, plugins are statically linked to a fixed address, so you can't run 2 without changing the whole way plugins are handled 18.05.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.05.28 Quit himitsu (Remote closed the connection) 18.05.30 # im learning microchip system development this term in school, i heard of something like you said, linuxstb. 18.06.03 Join himitsu [0] (n=himitsu@61.213.185.96) 18.06.40 Join toffe82_ [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 18.07.11 # i should go to bed now, china time it's 1 o'clock at the mid-night now, hehe ,byebye 18.07.14 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.07.21 Nick toffe82_ is now known as toffe82 (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 18.07.23 # fluke: Goodnight. 18.07.24 # thank you! 18.07.37 Quit fluke ("Leaving") 18.10.59 # nice to have some devs from asia for a change 18.11.20 # I would have expected some japanese hackers to join us because of the Gigabeat port 18.11.27 # maybe a language problem.. 18.13.16 Join leftright [0] (i=54996756@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d2f00be09e3ff891) 18.13.41 Join lnxmomo [0] (n=lnxmomo@77-97-88-24.cable.ubr10.live.blueyonder.co.uk) 18.13.44 # hi 18.13.49 # amiconn: how would you rate the M5's sound versus the H1xx ? 18.13.55 # is anyone here using rockbox on an apple ipod? 18.14.02 # linuxstb: I just added the installation instructions from the wiki to the manual 18.14.36 # will rockbox read music that i put in using the apple firmware 18.14.37 # ? 18.14.40 # linuxstb: just need to add the uninstall and OF booting stuff and then I think we can get rid of the wiki page like you suggested 18.15.37 # lnxmomo: i do believe that your question is answered in the manual and on the wiki 18.15.48 Join secleinteer [0] (n=scl@adsl-70-237-200-100.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) 18.15.58 # barrywardell: Sounds good. Did you base the .tex on the ipod part of the manual? bluebrother (I think) did a lot of code-policing on my ipod install instructions, so they should be good... 18.16.08 # i dont own any apples, so dont know apples from apples 18.16.19 # k 18.16.21 # lnxmomo: It can 18.16.29 # i have yet to find the answer 18.17.05 # lnxmomo: did you find the FAQ? 18.17.07 # leftright: I can' 18.17.08 # thx piroko 18.17.12 # linuxstb: yeah, I copied the ipod manual instructions, and mostly just replaced ipod with sansa :) 18.17.13 # No problemo 18.17.29 # do you own one piroko and tried it? 18.17.32 # t really speak about the sound of the M5 specifically, but it's the same as X5 because the audio hw is identical 18.17.33 # Sure do 18.17.36 # lnxmomo: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ#How_do_I_access_music_that_I_hav 18.17.57 # The headphone amp is definitely less noisy than the iriver's 18.17.57 # amiconn, is there a difference in sound quality between the two ? 18.18.24 # But it has no hardware tone control 18.18.42 # So the wiki is up-to-date then about the ipod lockup bug still being present in the 4G? 18.18.50 # Can't really speak about line-out quality as I usually use s/pdif at home 18.19.11 # ah, I have very low impedance headphones, so was wondering if the M5 would be better at driving them than the H140 18.19.34 # piroko: yes, but it is triggered much less often now that the support for the cop is in svn 18.19.49 Quit Moos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.19.53 Quit Domonoky (Remote closed the connection) 18.19.59 # Awesome. Thanks nls 18.20.39 # leftright: iirc jhMikeS said that the x5 was sounding noticably better than the h100 for playback while the h100 was better for recording 18.20.46 # Nico_P: toffe has also emailed with him 18.20.46 # leftright: I really can't say that. My earphones are only 16 ohms, but all targets can drive them fine at my usual listening volumes 18.21.05 # thanks 18.23.05 # hmm, i think i'll wait on the next gen Kenwood player as my next DAP 18.23.45 # leftright: are those available outside asia? 18.23.53 Join Moos [0] (i=Moos@m135.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 18.23.53 Quit Moos (Client Quit) 18.24.16 # not sure, but i go there frequently, so i take a peek 18.30.09 Join Moos [0] (i=Moos@m135.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 18.30.38 Part leftright 18.33.21 Join chrisjs169|afk [0] (n=Jack@pool-71-254-203-219.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) 18.33.21 Quit chrisjs169|brb (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.35.37 # now we can refer people to the manual for sansa install/uninstall/dual-boot instructions 18.36.17 # barrywardell: might be a good idea to wait until the new amuals are built :-) 18.36.51 # haha, true. I made that mistake with the H10 manuals recently too. When are they rebuilt? 18.37.40 # I think at the same time the dailies are iirc 4am here which is gmt+1 18.38.50 # barrywardell: There's no rush to delete the wiki page - just do it tomorrow sometime. 18.39.32 # yeah, It's pretty much identical to the manual now anyway 18.42.33 # * linuxstb tries to decide which PS3 linux distro to install 18.42.49 Quit Alonea (Connection timed out) 18.44.06 Quit m0rbidini () 18.45.32 Quit Nergar ("Roger the Sloth is leaving the building. Roger the Sloth is still leaving the building. Yep, still leaving. Um.....") 18.47.14 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@204.158.157.238) 18.51.07 # linuxstb: Yellowdog seems to have the best support 18.51.39 Quit GodEater_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.51.58 Quit piroko ("POOF") 18.52.01 Quit w1ll14m (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.52.52 # * bluebrother leaves for the weekend 18.55.53 Quit bluebrother ("back next week") 19.00.00 Quit inversions (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.01.20 Quit ender` (" A man without religion is like a fish without a bike.") 19.04.24 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@84.255.206.8) 19.05.19 Quit barrywardell () 19.07.18 Quit Everybody (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.07.49 Quit Alonea (Connection timed out) 19.09.57 Quit akaias (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.12.46 Join akaias [0] (n=akaias@c-76-16-18-102.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 19.13.03 # where do i download the daily builds from? I am at the website and looking at the list of builds but there are no download options 19.14.06 # click "latest" under the picture of your player 19.14.06 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.14.26 # * pixelma wonders whether linuxstb lives in the future ;) 19.14.38 # or if you are in the current builds page, scroll down and click your player 19.15.03 # ok 19.15.24 # pixelma: ? 19.16.09 Join toffe82_ [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 19.16.10 Nick toffe82_ is now known as toffe82 (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 19.16.12 # linuxstb: in your forumpost about loader 2.4 release you said "which was around May 2007 IIRC" 19.16.29 # :) I guess I should edit that... 19.17.18 # I'm just nitpicking again :D 19.17.20 # pixelma: Thanks, fixed now. 19.21.24 Quit lnxmomo ("Leaving") 19.30.17 Quit Ribs ("eh eh ehhhh!") 19.32.05 Join mattzz [0] (n=mattzz@e177162235.adsl.alicedsl.de) 19.33.02 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 19.42.29 Quit ompaul ("on a clear disk you can fseek forever") 19.44.52 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul) 19.45.18 Join JavaMan22 [0] (n=HP_Admin@c-24-61-91-138.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) 20.05.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.06.57 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@p549ae89b.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.13.40 # * Domonoky likes to remove the Wizards from rbutil. The Screen would then look like this: http://www.b23.org/~domonoky/rbutil-bootloaderInstall.jpg any objections ?? 20.16.21 # * amiconn thinks it's slightly funny that the image shows one of the devices where we don't need a bootloader by default 20.16.30 # :-) 20.16.50 # if someone provides another nice image, i could change it.. :-) 20.16.59 Join leftright [0] (i=54996756@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ac20afbc2e0e0fe3) 20.18.30 # I find the "politeness" in the menus excessive, "please select firmware", why not just "select firmware", no need to be that polite surely 20.20.34 # * joshin thinks that leftright should write an "piss off" theme to satisfy his inner hooligan 20.21.22 # :-) 20.21.52 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.201.143) 20.22.00 Join BrianHV [0] (n=bhv1@copland.brianhv.org) 20.23.51 Quit Nico_P (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.24.17 # Domonoky: looks nice. 20.25.02 # nls: ok, i will continue working on it, at the moment its non-functional :-) 20.25.22 # heh, well looking at other apps and manuals which i use, excessive politeness isn't required in applications/manuals, if it were an invite to dinner then be polite by all means 20.27.11 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 20.28.36 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.36.46 Join dmdfan [0] (n=dmdfan@bb-81-175-207-48.dsl.phnet.fi) 20.40.21 Part leftright 20.40.36 Quit JavaMan22 ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") 20.44.35 Quit _Veseliq_ (Remote closed the connection) 20.49.11 # Anybody happens to know whether we have hardware controlled charging in the sansa? 20.51.19 Quit Kitt0s (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.00.28 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@unaffiliated/youceye) 21.00.48 Quit kaaloo (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.02.10 Join Buckfast [0] (n=a@d77-217-96-23.cust.tele2.fr) 21.03.58 Quit Buckfast (Client Quit) 21.04.00 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc1-brig8-0-0-cust23.brig.cable.ntl.com) 21.04.00 Quit YouCeyE (Remote closed the connection) 21.04.27 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@unaffiliated/youceye) 21.04.38 Join robin0800_ [0] (n=robin080@cpc1-brig8-0-0-cust23.brig.cable.ntl.com) 21.05.26 Quit desowin (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.09.14 Quit linuxstb (Remote closed the connection) 21.09.39 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=chatzill@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 21.09.48 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=chatzill@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 21.12.51 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@unaffiliated/desowin) 21.13.39 Quit Thundercloud_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.15.41 Join ghost [0] (i=ghost@236.13.205.68.cfl.res.rr.com) 21.16.16 # I believe I found a bug 21.17.09 # That's not unheard of.. 21.17.22 # lol 21.17.41 # well, I just want to inform 21.18.15 # Llorean: i assume you dealt with the latest reported post? 21.18.18 # metronome shuts off the backlight...never heard of a bug like that 21.18.25 Join Shaid` [0] (i=shaid@210-84-1-56.dyn.iinet.net.au) 21.19.01 # ok, nevermind 21.19.48 # scorche: the "dog" one? 21.19.56 # yeah... 21.20.11 # did I miss something regarding that post? 21.20.45 # (not miss as in "missed the conversation" but missed as in "over Soap's head") 21.21.11 Join Domonoky_ [0] (n=Domonoky@p549aeb2f.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.21.17 # well, either the post he reported was deleted, or he reported a useless reporting 21.22.06 Quit robin0800 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.22.36 # No, he reported the last post in that thread, the one that's still there. 21.22.39 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 21.22.45 # The message numbers match up 21.23.29 # aye, but why did he report it? 21.23.43 # I dunno 21.23.58 # "...or he reported a useless reporting" 21.24.01 # wrong button was my assumption. 21.24.09 # The user who reported it appears to be able to type in complete sentences, has no history of problem posts (only two posts ever) or inane comments on things. 21.24.20 # "dog" is a bit of a weird reason for reporting, yes. 21.24.47 # Anyway, I am not hear. Just saw the window flashing before I headed out for a while. 21.24.55 # here 21.25.28 # get me one of those....things (i forgot what they are called) while you are out! 21.28.43 Quit Domonoky (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 21.30.12 Quit midgey () 21.31.07 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57b979e0.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.32.05 # Any wiki admins online? 21.32.29 Join inversions [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 21.33.19 # knock, knock 21.34.39 # mattzz: Looking around, I think the answer is no. 21.36.02 # linuxstb: yep, I just saw who is in the TwikiAdminGroup 21.36.14 # * mattzz just wanted to add a flyspry interwiki 21.36.28 Quit Shaid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.36.29 Nick Shaid` is now known as Shaid (i=shaid@210-84-1-56.dyn.iinet.net.au) 21.37.35 Join sneh1621 [0] (i=413cc33c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3e7de81fc2473af2) 21.37.46 # hello 21.38.04 # is there an automatic installer in order to install ROCKBOX? 21.38.19 Join mh__ [0] (i=c02a5c1c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2253c672c3dbf742) 21.38.32 # hi. 21.38.46 # is there an automatic installer in order to install ROCKBOX? 21.38.57 # sneh1621: What player do you want to install Rockbox onto? (and no need to ask twice...) 21.39.04 # pretty nice chan u guys got here, never been around.. I'm an old efnet veteran (never heard of freenode) 21.39.05 # sneh1621: it's kind of unfinished so it is recomended that you follow the instructions in the manusl 21.39.06 # iPod 21.39.13 # sorry for asking twice 21.39.35 # s/a 21.39.38 # You can try the work-in-progress installer here - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility - but the install instructions in the manual are very straightforward. 21.40.10 # I know it's annoying to see someone come in and ask a question, but I'm curious if you guys know of a build (5g ipod) that has the stardict-tools in it. 21.40.47 # trying to get wiki to work w/ my rockbox but I get insane amonts of errors when I try to make & build through cygwin 21.40.48 # it doesn't say where to download the work in progress installer 21.41.04 # sneh1621: The download link is at the very bottom of that page. 21.41.46 # mh__: Have you browsed the "unsupported builds" forum? 21.41.47 # is the link a box with the words attachment, action, size, ect, ect 21.41.53 # no i have not 21.41.59 # oh sorry 21.42.55 # linux, yeah I checked the forum but didn't see a build with star-dict off hand. 21.43.20 # though it seems logical to include it in a build, considering wikipedia on the ipod seems very promising 21.43.26 Join Kitt0s [0] (i=Kaa@87.68.2.89.cable.012.net.il) 21.43.41 # I'd do it myself but again I have endless errors when trying to compile on cygwin 21.43.51 # What's the first error? 21.44.35 # I'm at a library atm so I don't have acces to the log files, just had a few free mins and figured I'd drop by and check to see if you guys knew a build that had the stardict by chance 21.45.15 # I don't think people here generally follow all the unofficial builds - we just concentrate on the single official build. 21.45.21 # I see 21.45.40 # well thanks for the help, I'll check it out in more detail & maybe stop by with the errors later. thanks again 21.45.57 # yea im having trouble finding the link, in order to download the work in progress installer for rockbox 21.46.05 Quit mh__ ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.46.08 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 21.47.30 Quit SirFunk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.47.52 # sneh1621: Assuming you're using Windows, click on rbutil-win32-v0.3.0.zip 21.47.53 # sneh1621: use the official instructions in the manual 21.48.16 # Or do what nls says - I think you will find them easier. 21.49.18 # My iPod is updated with iTunes 7 ( don't know if that is relevant to anything or not) 21.53.57 Quit miepchen^schlaf ("Verlassend") 21.54.44 Quit desowin ("use linux") 21.55.20 # Is there a way to downgrade your iPod, while you still use iTunes 7?? 21.55.44 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57b979e0.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.55.45 # I've no idea - that's unrelated to Rockbox. 21.57.08 Join bepe86 [0] (n=bk@193.90.2.186) 22.01.53 Quit bepe86 (Client Quit) 22.02.31 Join bepe86 [0] (n=bk@193.90.2.186) 22.03.03 # Wow. 22.03.15 # The work in progress installer works well 22.03.20 # I'm impressed 22.05.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.07.01 Join billytwowilly [0] (n=chris@S01060016b649355d.ed.shawcable.net) 22.07.56 # I can't think, offhand, of a need to downgrade an iPod before Rockbox installation. I know there /was/ an issue at one point in time, but is there still? 22.08.40 # There hasn't been for a long time. The only problem I can remember is when Apple changed the layout of the firmware partition on the Nano, and no-one noticed... 22.11.59 # Could somone give me a link as to where I could download Rockboy? 22.12.46 # You've already downloaded it - it's installed with Rockbox. You start it by selecting a .gb or .gbc file in the file browser, not via the "browse plugins" menu. 22.13.27 # Just making this clear, asking where to find roms is illegal, right? 22.13.48 # no...asking where to find copywrited roms is illegal 22.13.51 # homebrew are fine 22.13.53 # not asking but actually downloading them, so we will not tell you ;-) 22.14.08 # ah, yeah teh homebrews are fine 22.14.14 # Okay thanks. 22.14.34 # or ripping your own cartridges of coures 22.15.16 # nls: well, he was asking about asking for roms ;)( 22.15.55 # asking where isn't illegal, it's downloading/using them that is illegal. I think people just don't like it when you ask in here;) 22.16.18 # billytwowilly: regardless, it is against the guidelines to ask in here 22.16.24 # nls: beat me too it.. I should read faster/more before talking;) 22.16.46 # so, if people asked a cop where to find child porn, they wouldnt be arrested for anything? 22.17.04 Join shelly33 [0] (i=47ebb8f3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b7c6e48b86a1dc72) 22.17.16 # That might fall under soliciting a minor. You would have to ask a lawyer 22.17.41 # anyone up for a quick tech question? 22.17.51 # Rockbox tech? 22.17.52 # anyone try rockboy on the sansa? 22.18.37 # i have a iriver120 w rockbox - i am selling it and the person doesnt want rockbox...can i just delete .rockbox folder from the root and player will go back to being unpatched? 22.18.41 # I haven't. 22.19.18 # shelly33: there should be an uninstallation guide in the manual 22.19.29 # there is 22.19.57 # uninstallation of firmware is covered in the users guide? 22.20.30 # in the manual, yes...as we said 22.20.32 # i wouldnt have thought they'd cover that 22.20.40 # ok, thanks, let me look 22.21.12 # Though I find it a moral issue - The selling of precious H1xx, H3xx players to non-Rockboxians. 22.21.35 Join w1ll14m [0] (n=w1ll14m@84-104-81-208.cable.quicknet.nl) 22.21.37 # ;) 22.22.10 # i agree, but what can i do? 22.22.40 # Sell it to someone else? :) 22.22.42 # Too late this time. Next time PM Soap with all your coldfire offers! 22.22.49 # wanna buy one? 22.24.00 # I'm having trouble booting into the regular Apple firmware from Rockbox. 22.24.22 # sneh1621: Have you read http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ ? 22.24.31 Join smolyn [0] (n=smolyn@blk-138-57-29.eastlink.ca) 22.24.44 # sneh1621: is your Rockbox bootloader black text on a (light) blue screen or white text on a black screen? 22.24.51 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 22.25.01 # shelly33: PM? 22.25.37 # Soap: Or no text at all with the latest bootloader... 22.25.51 # hi soap 22.26.04 # ahh poop - I have fallen behind! 22.26.13 # I missed that. 22.27.24 # Hey who here is a gigabeat user? 22.27.32 # * Soap is 22.27.47 # shelly33: dmhall AT google' 22.27.50 # s mail 22.28.06 # (don't want to use the full address in here, but I think you grok) 22.28.16 # Soap: What type of case do you have, I am looking for a decent one 22.28.25 Quit shelly33 ("CGI:IRC") 22.28.35 Join shelly33 [0] (i=47ebb8f3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3bab9431b37b716c) 22.28.39 # none yet BigMac, still looking also. There aren't many options, #gigabeat 22.28.46 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.192.111) 22.29.16 # Well does it scratch as easily as the ipod? 22.29.49 # soap - pm ? 22.30.00 Quit midgey () 22.30.04 Quit sneh1621 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.30.26 # shelly33: feel free to email me, as you can't Private Message me on here. 22.30.41 # i responded to your PM before 22.30.48 # where to email? 22.31.14 # shelly33: on freenode, you have to be identified to nickserv to message the default user 22.31.21 # i have sent you a PM - appears I have a PM box with you' 22.31.43 # shelly33: see what i just said...it wont go to them 22.31.48 # ok 22.32.28 Quit kaaloo (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.32.30 Quit atsea-142 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.32.30 Quit atsea- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.32.53 # i don't see anyplace in the manual to uninstall firmware....i am trying to get rockbox off of a iriver 120 (selling it to a girl that doesn't want RB on there) 22.33.20 # how can I email you Soap? 22.33.28 # shelly33: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h100/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-150002.6 22.33.35 # dmhall at google's email service. 22.33.49 # shelly33: Firstly, I'd suggest you strongly recommend to her that she try Rockbox first. On the H120 the only thing you lose is WMA playback, and you gain a whole host of features, including better battery life which is useful even if you don't want the rest. 22.33.52 # thank you nls 22.36.12 # i agree Llorean and have told her, but she is a noob and doesnt know anything other than that she wants a "new one" 22.36.17 # dumb, I know 22.37.07 # Did you try asking her simply why she wants a "new one"? 22.37.32 # she has no clue..i use it for gapless 22.37.55 # She wants a new one, but has explicitly said she doesn't know why? 22.38.20 # she doesnt understand firmware or upgrades etc...wants to use the ON button etc 22.38.24 # whatever I guess 22.38.38 Quit perl|work ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 22.38.49 # She doesn't need to understand firmware or upgrades... you're not really making any sense. 22.39.04 # Rockbox doesn't disabled any buttons, either. 22.39.17 # Soap, BigMac : I found this one http://cgi.ebay.com/White-Skin-Case-for-Toshiba-Gigabeat-Armband-more_W0QQitemZ280096793955QQcategoryZ86534QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 22.39.21 # * Llorean shrugs 22.42.24 Quit shelly33 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.42.30 Join jac0b [0] (n=jac0b@user-11208v2.dsl.mindspring.com) 22.43.02 # I can't help but think that Rockbox just wasn't explained well to the poor girl, if he felt those were among the reasons she wasn't interested. 22.43.22 # is the sansa daily build supposed to recognize when the USB is connected 22.43.55 # jac0b: Firstly, out of sheer curiosity, why are you using the daily build instead of the current one? 22.44.19 # Secondly, does yours not show a USB cable on the screen when you plug in a USB cable? 22.45.31 # is there something wrong with using the daily build? 22.45.56 # Do you know the difference between the daily build and the current build? 22.46.00 # No, but it's almost always out of date. 22.46.09 # yes it shows the USB is connected but in the changelog it said " 22.46.09 # Enable usb detection in the sansa bootloader (loads OF if detected) 22.46.26 # jac0b: Notice the word "bootloader" there? 22.47.02 # Rockbox doesn't do anything on USB insert. 22.47.02 # that is for when it is booting up right 22.47.05 # Yes 22.47.06 # sansapatcher has now been updated with that bootloader.... 22.47.44 # I tried that and it didn't boot to the orignial firmware 22.48.00 # You've updated the bootloader? 22.48.43 # did they come out with a new bootloader? 22.49.17 # Yes. 22.49.36 # jac0b: How would you expect a bootloader change to affect your system, if you haven't put a new bootloader that has that change on it, out of curiosity? 22.50.54 # I thought they updated the OS of rockbox not the bootloader, my bad sorry 22.51.31 # we update the bootloader too occasionally 22.51.35 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.51.58 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54b15796.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.51.58 # It did say "bootloader" in the message you found, and everything. :) 22.53.16 # Bagder: do you mean too often, or not often enough by that? 22.53.48 # as in addition to the "OS of rockbox" 22.54.09 # "We update the bootloader as well, occasionally" :) 22.54.41 # there! 22.54.44 # ah =) 22.54.53 # okay now about the daily build/current build what is the suggested one to use 22.55.17 # jac0b: The newest one, which is the current build. 22.57.05 Join scorche` [0] (i=ScorchE@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 22.57.09 # I go to the current build page but click this http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml to read what is in teh changelog 22.57.46 # Yes, those are older builds 22.57.50 # As the link to them should suggest. 22.58.15 # but I got the one with the date of 3/23 22.58.19 # Yes 22.58.25 # As in, it was made at the start of 3/23 22.58.28 # isn't that current? 22.58.30 # No 22.58.35 # Current is "made last time anything changed" 22.58.39 # Not "made once per day" 22.58.47 # There can be as many as 15 new builds during a day 22.59.09 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.192.111) 22.59.15 # Only 15? 22.59.31 # Okay, there can be as many as 205ish builds per day 22.59.33 # But it's unlikely 22.59.37 # Assuming 7 minutes per build. 22.59.48 # where is the new bootloader? 23.00.14 # jac0b: In the new sansapatcher. Just re-follow the bootloader install instructions, downloading the new version of the file. 23.00.45 # okay so the ones on http://build.rockbox.org/ are right now builds and ones I am getting are yesterdays build 23.01.26 # That's why that is the "Current build" page, and the earlier page you linked to is described as having "older builds" on that very page, yes. 23.01.59 Join james_75 [0] (i=james_ri@CPE-155-143-105-38.vic.bigpond.net.au) 23.02.02 Quit james_75 (K-lined) 23.02.46 # Llorean: thanks 23.04.27 # Anybody happens to know whether we have hardware controlled charging in the sansa? 23.04.55 # Bagder: Maybe we should mention on the daily build page that all files on that page are older than the 'current build' and users should update to the download on the current build page if they experience any problems. 23.05.09 # mattzz: there is 23.05.36 # any target with lithium-ion has it really... 23.05.48 # scorche: so if I plug in the cable the battery will be charged fully automatically? 23.06.22 # (assuming rockbox is loaded) 23.08.33 Part nls 23.08.35 # mattzz: The hardware should prevent it from overcharging. Since Rockbox doesn't really do anything with USB, odds are it'll be like the other PortalPlayer targets and only draw 100mA instead of 500, so you'll either charge very slowly, or slowly lose power because the device is using a bit more than the draw. 23.09.10 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@cpe-74-71-205-222.twcny.res.rr.com) 23.09.27 Quit ctaf ("Leaving.") 23.10.45 # Llorean: Thanks for the info. So I assume that there are some settings for the AS3514 that have to be configured in order to have it charging with 500mA. 23.12.21 Quit scorche (Connection timed out) 23.13.20 # mattzz: What does the AS3514 have to do with USB? 23.13.34 Join donutman25 [0] (n=chatzill@24.244.160.233) 23.14.18 # The AS3514 is also the power-management chip IIUC. 23.14.43 # Llorean: the datasheet states "It also contains a charger and is designed for battery supplies from 1V to 5V. 23.14.43 # " 23.14.46 # linuxstb: Yeah, but it's the USB not being in high power mode that should be the problem. 23.14.55 # linuxstb: Just like the iPods, right? 23.15.29 Join merlin2049er [0] (n=Joe@bas8-toronto12-1088940276.dsl.bell.ca) 23.16.02 # Yes, I didn't read the logs properly... But as the AS3514 datasheets aren't public, I don't know. 23.16.45 # Question, since I don't like the new boot loader on my e2xx, can I just install the old boot loader over it and be Ok? The artifacts at the top of the screen are ugly. 23.17.08 # mattzz: The problem lies in the USB negotiation, as I said. Or it most likely does at least. 23.17.34 # Llorean: OK, thanks. That is beyond my scope :-p 23.19.25 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 23.23.17 # Llorean: OK, I understand. USB is not engineered @ ipodlinux either :( 23.24.46 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.25.03 # I imagine they'll have USB support before we do, since they won't have to write a whole USB stack. 23.31.44 Join CpuWhiz [0] (n=eric@cpe-66-87-222-218.co.sprintbbd.net) 23.33.02 Quit CpuWhiz (Remote closed the connection) 23.34.02 # just came back from work 23.34.07 # a whole night listening to rockbox 23.34.59 # the sound was perfect, and i've already turned on crossfading, which works perfectly too, one question ....i wanna help (do the brazillian-portuguese translation)....for this, what do i need? 23.35.16 # or i just have to download some kind of template , translate it and send it back to you guys ? 23.35.43 Quit jac0b () 23.36.07 # cadu: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LangFiles 23.41.36 # Domonoky_, strange, can't get the english.lang file 23.41.45 # says that probably the cvs server may be down 23.42.05 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 23.42.11 Quit linuxstb (Remote closed the connection) 23.42.13 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 23.42.43 Quit Slowking_Man ("I have the heart of a child——in a jar on my desk.") 23.42.46 # cadu: the link is old, rockbox uses now svn 23.44.08 # http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/lang/?pathrev=12900 23.45.07 # thanks :) 23.50.37 Quit FOAD_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 23.54.03 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 23.54.34 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484a7ec.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 23.57.58 Join JavaMan22 [0] (n=HP_Admin@c-24-61-91-138.hsd1.nh.comcast.net)