--- Log for 05.04.107 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 3 days and 19 hours ago 00.04.33 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57b96f05.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.05.22 Quit jhulst (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.10.21 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 00.12.33 Quit obo ("bye") 00.17.46 Nick Soap is now known as NamesCanBeReally (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 00.17.51 Nick NamesCanBeReally is now known as Soap (n=Soap@cpe-65-189-128-141.columbus.res.rr.com) 00.20.59 Join Hoffmann [0] (n=ber@c-69-248-210-174.hsd1.de.comcast.net) 00.21.22 Join dandin1 [0] (n=dandin1@bas12-ottawa23-1088847207.dsl.bell.ca) 00.22.38 Quit ender` (" Programming is like sex becuse: 19. Theres always someone willing to write about the only right way to do things.") 00.23.46 Join safetydan [0] (i=cbca159f@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 00.27.43 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@i-83-67-214-206.freedom2surf.net) 00.27.45 # hello 00.28.38 # just for fun, i'm playing with archos sim build. (i don't even have an archos). 00.29.02 # If I have a wps containing just %pf, are the leftmost two chars supposed to be blank in sim? 00.29.36 # ah - no matter. If I do %pc%pf it works. %pf on its own doesn't 00.29.41 # * stripwax goes back to his hole 00.30.16 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 00.30.25 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.164.ptr.us.xo.net) 00.31.47 Quit roolku () 00.32.09 # Hrm. Would making the "numbers" array in gwps-common.c an array of already-computed rows rather than an array of (bytes storing) bools save space on archos AND simplify the code? 00.33.43 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@24-117-195-16.cpe.cableone.net) 00.34.41 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@p54BD3D92.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 00.35.14 Join daniel2023 [0] (i=d0b4e09e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b575e98bd6417d2b) 00.35.42 # anyone seen my post in the new ports -> nano 2G thread? 00.36.03 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 00.36.47 Quit ompaul ("tomorrow") 00.37.01 # yes, and I had to clean my pants afterwards. 00.37.04 Quit Alonea (Remote closed the connection) 00.37.20 # why is that? 00.37.22 # ^^ 00.37.25 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 00.38.00 # came on the same day as similar news on the Gigabeat S. 00.38.51 # ah. 00.39.14 # both pieces of news were quite exciting. 00.40.19 # anyways. even if injecting a not encrypted osos is not possible maybe it is possible to inject some code into rsrc. 00.40.44 # which could be loaded if this nike thingy is attached 00.42.56 # or if it thinks the nike thingie is attached? 00.43.13 # hmmm...where's the shuffle mode in rockbox? 00.44.00 # anyways... that would require someone with a nano 2G and some pretty good low level programming knowledge. and i don't have both :D 00.44.05 # BigBabyJesus - in the playback settings menu, right? 00.44.59 # but then it plays single folders even in shufflemode 00.45.30 # With shuffle on, it means what when the playlist finishes and reaches the end, it reshuffles the track order. 00.48.16 # BigBabyJesus - sounds like you want to create a playlist first (containing all your music)? 00.48.24 # right 00.48.31 # DerPapst: I read it, but don't think it's very useful... The RSRC image is purely data (afaik), so you can't inject code there. 00.49.25 # BigBabyJesus - fortunately rockbox can do that easily enough 00.49.42 Quit daniel2023 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 00.50.47 Quit mirak (Remote closed the connection) 00.51.59 # linuxstb: yeah. i remember now that the rsrc image was just a fat image on the nano. but don't you think that it might work to set the security block to F's and inject some unencrypted code? 00.52.03 # DerPapst: Even if the idea to format the AUPD/OSOS images the same way as the RSRC image enabled us to run our own code (which I think is unlikely - the bootloader will most likely simply reject it), we have no idea how to control the hardware without decrypting either the OSOS or AUPD images. 00.52.38 # true 00.53.06 # i thought it would be worth a try. -.- 00.53.45 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.54.05 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57b96f05.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.54.08 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B15AE5.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.54.23 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.55.38 Quit donutman25 ("ChatZilla 0.9.78 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 00.55.58 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 00.56.50 # time to get some sleep... 00.56.55 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 00.56.56 # good night at all 00.57.05 Quit DerPapst ("So Long And Thanks For All The Fish!") 00.57.51 Quit Entasis ("Leaving") 00.59.14 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 01.00.20 Quit Febs (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.00.55 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.01.32 Join bawb2 [0] (n=bawb2@ip51051.estcmp.ku.edu) 01.01.41 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.02.04 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57b96f05.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.03.11 Join bospaadje [0] (n=bospaadj@ip82-139-84-193.lijbrandt.net) 01.04.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.18.19 Quit Guile (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.21.04 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.21.30 Quit dsh-1 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.26.26 Quit robin0800 (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC has never been so good") 01.29.40 Join Xerion [0] (i=xerion@vhe-382201.sshn.net) 01.32.37 # stripwax: isn't amiconn already working on this? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6972 01.32.40 Join lImbus [0] (n=lImbus@port-83-236-56-26.dynamic.qsc.de) 01.33.06 # hi all 01.33.12 # salut 01.33.17 # :) 01.33.37 # Moos: Hehe, didn't even see this patch 01.34.09 # amiconn: it was just submited, that's why I'm wondering 01.34.41 # I just read the IrcGuidelines. It does not say that color and bold etc. is not wanted either 01.34.54 # yeah, why? 01.34.54 # Moos - I don't know. Amiconn - are you? 01.35.05 # I just added that patch, like, just then 01.35.18 # stripwax: Check my last commit :) 01.35.20 # stripwax: check svn logs ;P 01.35.23 # hehe :) 01.35.31 # Actually, the one before that 01.36.29 # gah. you are kidding me. :-D 01.37.11 # :-) hopefully you didn't past too much hours to work on it :-) 01.37.28 # Moos heh, no. well, great minds and all that .. :-) 01.37.40 # good then 01.37.45 # (about 1 hour, see irc logs :-) 01.37.50 # hehe :) 01.39.24 # ok, well, gnight then :-[ 01.39.30 # :-p even 01.40.08 Quit stripwax (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.41.37 # amiconn: have you still lots of works to do on archos LCD driver? I saw that you reworked all :) 01.41.47 # pure curiosity 01.42.04 # archos player even 01.46.19 # * amiconn is currently recalculating the voltage table for X5/M5 01.48.15 # wee \o/ 01.54.30 Quit SirFunk (Remote closed the connection) 01.54.53 # time to sleep good night 01.54.56 Quit Moos ("Glory to Rockbox") 01.57.52 Join perldiver [0] (n=say@cpe-72-225-231-80.nyc.res.rr.com) 02.00.18 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 02.00.24 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 02.01.07 # hi jhMikeS 02.01.30 # I'm looking at some ARM optimizations for mpeg2dec: http://atty.skr.jp/WebSVN/listing.php?repname=mplayer-w100&path=%2Ftrunk%2Flibmpeg2%2F&opt=dir&sc=1 02.03.32 Quit entheh ("^~") 02.06.33 Part pixelma 02.07.54 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 02.08.11 # markun: Did you checl out player_unifont, btw? 02.09.14 Quit pearldiver (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.15.27 # amiconn: no. tomorrow maybe 02.15.29 # goodnight 02.15.52 # nighty 02.17.57 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 02.19.01 Quit lImbus (" user went to bed") 02.22.13 Quit linuxstb ("Chatzilla 0.9.69.1 [Firefox 1.0.2/20050317]") 02.26.29 # markun: ok, I'll look. I also got held up and missed your video links. I'm not talking much cause I'm intense about getting mpegplayer straigtened out. :) 02.29.12 # ") 02.29.14 # :) 02.30.57 Join ctaf [0] (n=ctaf@ram94-6-82-242-23-70.fbx.proxad.net) 02.31.09 Part ctaf 02.33.01 # "Long story short...17 bytes later the GigaBeatS is now an open platform for writing homebrew, porting RockBox etc" 02.33.09 # if somebody missed the news 02.36.12 # * jhMikeS missed some news it sounds like 02.36.18 # if i make a new plugin what do I need to change to get it included when i compile? 02.36.34 # the SOURCES file in the plugins directory 02.37.45 # perldiver: are you saying the S was cracked or is it still April Fools Day? *checking calendar* 02.38.11 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4737.15 02.38.13 # last post 02.40.01 # sounds like a nice kickoff :) 02.40.26 # yeah, not bad 02.42.03 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 02.43.22 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 02.45.07 Quit JdGordon (Client Quit) 02.45.58 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@71.216.234.24) 02.45.58 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.46.18 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.164.ptr.us.xo.net) 02.47.03 Quit inversions (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.49.19 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 02.50.38 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ppp98-56.adsl.forthnet.gr) 02.51.50 Join webguest86 [0] (i=415f835d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-468357f165925610) 02.52.15 # hey, are you guys going to make a usb driver? 02.53.01 # That's a fairly vague question. 02.53.44 # for rockbox 02.54.02 # so it dosn't restrat ever time you plug the usb in 02.54.19 # So, you mean "For Rockbox on the iPods"? 02.54.56 # Nobody is currently working on a USB stack, but it is intended to have one some day, yes. 02.56.14 Quit perldiver (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.56.49 Join nikosapi [0] (n=nikosapi@ip-123.42.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net) 02.57.33 # webguest86: If you're asking hardware specific questions, you should always specify for what device. Rockbox isn't only on the iPods/ 02.58.23 # for ipods 02.58.32 # ok 02.59.51 # also for the RockBoxUtilty is there going to be like rockdoom install? and rom placement for rockboy 03.00.00 # thats also for ipod 03.00.27 Join BigBabyJesus2 [0] (n=BigBabyJ@L1852.l.pppool.de) 03.01.30 Quit webguest86 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03.01.33 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 03.01.35 Join _jhMikeS_ [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 03.01.45 # webguest86: i dont think this is needed in rbutil, you have to download the gamefile you self, so the only thing it could do is copiing the files to the right place.. 03.03.30 # Domonoky_: I think installing the extras on the Extras page (the ones we officially provide) might be good 03.03.38 # That's "fonts" and the base rockdoom.wad and doomf.wad 03.04.06 # Both of those are just zips that need to be extracted into the root of the device, preserving folders. 03.04.11 Quit Hochler () 03.04.11 # font installing is ready.. 03.04.43 # Because installing Doom generates a ridiculous amount of noise for something that is just "extract the doom zip to your device" 03.04.50 # :-) 03.04.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.05.00 # remove doom :-) 03.05.29 Quit tvelocity ("Αποχώρησε") 03.05.41 # I'll vote for that as well 03.05.51 Quit BigBabyJesus2 ("Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de") 03.08.05 # Hi, I was wondering how support was coming along for the 5.5G 80GB iPod? 03.10.06 Part lokkju_wrk ("Leaving") 03.10.42 # nikosapi: It's not done yet. 03.12.52 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B95890.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.14.13 # Trust me I know, for the past 3 weeks I've been watching the svn commit log rss feed, and nothing. What sickens me is I know there's probably nothing I can do without some serious C knowledge. But is there at least some work being done? I really am dissatisfied with apple's proprietary firmware. 03.15.36 # nikosapi: Don't expect it soon. 03.15.58 Quit BigBabyJesus (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 03.16.05 # It requires a rewrite of Rockbox's FAT32 driver, and so it either requires someone with knowledge of the way ours currently works, or it requires someone new to learn how ours works and rewrite it. 03.16.36 # At the moment, one of our programmers is working on it because he has the appropriate knowledge, but as Rockbox is entirely worked on in volunteer time, it will of course take a second place to "Real Life" 03.19.50 # I completely understand how these open projects work and nor am I fustrated that it's not happening sooner. We're all real people and good software takes real time to develop. I really respect that. For the time being I guess I'll look into ipodlinux but I'll keep watching the commit log ;-) 03.20.27 # Thank you very much Llorean, bye. 03.20.33 Part nikosapi ("Leaving") 03.21.08 Quit dandin1 () 03.23.27 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 03.28.10 Join blanky [0] (n=Blank@pool-71-105-13-162.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 03.28.12 # hey what's up guys 03.28.22 # hey guys anyone here running rockbox ipod edition 03.28.47 # basically I was just wondering if you put music on it by simply making a folder in the .rockbox directory and putting the music in there 03.28.51 # Plenty. Which iPod are you talking about though? 03.28.55 # 4g, sorry 03.29.34 # Well, from rockbox, any folder starting with a period is hidden by default - so getting into the .rockbox folder is something you have to enable 03.29.41 # So i wouldn't put my music in there 03.29.49 # But you can put it anywhere else just fine 03.29.50 # aliask: so put it in the device's root directory? 03.29.55 # make a folder in the root directory? 03.29.59 # and put it in there I guess? 03.30.02 # Whichever 03.30.15 # okay cool 03.32.24 # hey I was wondering if it were possible to make the original firmware boot by default and maek rockbox the second option, so I would have to reboot and switch the hold button on to get into rockbox 03.32.31 # maybe can be done through ROLO ? 03.32.53 # blanky: You'd have to run a modified version of the bootloader to achieve that 03.32.55 # you'd have to edit the code for the bootloader and recompile 03.33.00 # blanky: ROLO is completely different from what you just suggested. 03.33.04 # oh, nevermind then 03.33.10 # But the bootloader change is basically trivial 03.33.12 # Llorean: woops, I thought it was the rockbox boot loader haha 03.33.16 # Llorean: really? 03.33.25 # Llorean: so I don't have to re-build the boot loader? 03.33.32 # You have to rebuild it 03.33.45 # You can't change it at all without re-compiling it. 03.33.53 # oh okay 03.33.57 # RoLo stands for Rockbox Loader and is not related to the bootloader 03.34.03 # oh woops :( 03.34.06 # it allows you to load a new version of rockbox 03.34.11 # okay 03.34.16 # and o some targets, the original firmware 03.34.21 # s/o/on 03.34.36 # I guess I'll just keep it like this then 03.34.38 # thanks 03.34.41 # oh by the way 03.34.41 # (without rebooting) 03.34.44 # that was another question 03.34.53 # is it possible to build things for rockbox? 03.35.01 # what compiler would I need? are there docs on this? 03.35.51 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler 03.35.58 # blanky: See the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page as well 03.36.06 # sweet thanks 03.42.24 # hey guys 03.42.50 # if I'm not really looking to re-compile my own rockbox, I'm looking to build 'rock files' (If that's even possible), or 'extensions' or programs, is that possible? 03.43.33 # nevermind I found it 03.43.34 # sorry haha 03.45.58 Quit Domonoky_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.46.02 Join lachlan_ [0] (i=cbce3551@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5f6a1a8c5a05ffac) 03.47.03 Join Llorea1 [0] (n=Llorean@71.216.234.24) 03.47.17 Quit Llorean (Nick collision from services.) 03.47.21 Nick Llorea1 is now known as Llorean (n=Llorean@71.216.234.24) 03.49.23 # Llorean: Are the internal of the S and F series vastly different, or was the main obstacle of porting RB to the S series the encypted firmware? 03.49.37 # s/internal/internals 03.50.03 # lachlan_: The internals are quite different 03.50.11 # lachlan_: I really don't know in-depth. There's at least some similarity, but there's definitely some differing hardware. 03.50.35 # lachlan_: And the firmware isn't encrypted - it's probably digitally signed though 03.51.15 Join Llorea1 [0] (n=Llorean@71.216.234.24) 03.51.21 # So an S port will require further work I'm guessing 03.51.32 Quit Llorean (Nick collision from services.) 03.51.49 # Define "further work" :) 03.51.52 # aliask: wasn't that bypassed just now? 03.51.53 Nick Llorea1 is now known as Llorean (n=Llorean@71.216.234.24) 03.52.05 # Uh, was it? 03.52.14 # aliask: have you read the thread 03.52.14 # aliask: See the Gigabeat S thread for some interesting news. 03.52.24 # The gigabeat s30 thread in new ports 03.52.27 # Holy poo 03.52.34 # I'm always dubious about such things until more information comes along 03.53.11 # Possibly the same geniuses that ported linux to the Zune;) 03.53.46 # "We have the code but can't show you or show and proof or explain in a non garbled manner how we actually achived it" 03.53.58 Join RockBox_Newb [0] (i=3a6c3baa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-271ea3e49551457f) 03.53.58 # s/and/any 03.54.13 # hi 03.54.18 # hi 03.54.33 # hey there 03.54.33 DBUG Enqueued KICK RockBox_Newb 03.54.33 # hi 03.54.42 # hi 03.54.43 # RockBox_Newb: Please don't repeat yourself. 03.54.53 # can someone help me? 03.55.05 # Depends on the question, of course 03.55.14 # what happened to my iTunes Library? 03.55.23 # I don't know. Did you do something to it? 03.55.28 # I can't access it from RockBox 03.55.30 # Installing Rockbox doesn't touch it in any way. 03.55.49 # But iTunes hides it on the disk normally, so you should use the Rockbox "database" feature to index it. 03.56.15 # I can't access any of my songs in Rockbox 03.56.30 # What do you mean by "can't access" 03.56.40 # I know 03.56.41 # Do you mean "I don't know where they are?" or "They don't play when I try to play one" 03.56.42 # I mean 03.57.10 # How can I play music from my iPod's database 03.57.19 # I like the drag and drop feature 03.57.36 # But all my music is in the iPod's database 03.57.36 # Well if you use the drag and drop feature, you just browse to the song, wherever you put it, and click on it. 03.57.54 # Sorry my internet is really slow 03.58.00 # But songs put on with iTunes will be hidden. 03.58.05 # RockBox_Newb: If you want to use the database feature you need to enable it so that it scans the harddrive 03.58.06 # Like I said earlier, you need to use Database for those 03.58.15 # I know 03.58.27 # Then what is your question? 03.58.28 # But how can I play music from the iPod database 03.58.36 # Use the Database feature. 03.58.36 # Yeah 03.58.41 # Try looking in the manual under "Database" 03.58.45 # ok 03.58.54 # no sorry 03.58.54 # The rockbox database will scan the files from the iTunes database 03.59.00 Quit RockBox_Newb ("CGI:IRC") 03.59.33 # What has changed in the last couple of days or so that has bought such an influx of people like this? 04.00.07 # movies 04.00.10 # Yep 04.00.12 # mpegplayer works 04.00.13 # imho 04.00.21 # "OMG movies on my !!!" 04.00.29 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 04.00.29 # * aliask blames linuxstb :P 04.00.33 # though, honestly, I haven't seen a particularly large bump. 04.00.52 # Once I'm done telling people "Your file plays in perfect sync on my one" I'm probably hardly ever going to use the video feature again. 04.01.22 # It IS cool to have though 04.01.30 # Soap: The bump itself isn't particularly large, it's that one guy who got himself indirectly called an idiot in yesterday's log making it seem so much worse. 04.01.47 Quit midgey () 04.02.19 # hours and hours of that. 04.02.31 # Yeah 04.02.37 # I'd already talked to that guy at least twice 04.02.45 # I swear there was a lot of troll in him. People responded very well to him until the end. 04.03.10 # The problem is, he's one of those people who steadfastly believes that support should be provided by humans, not a manual 04.03.14 # They answered early on, ignored him when it got silly, then things only broke down in the third act. 04.03.17 # He just doesn't have the time to read it. 04.03.22 # According to him 04.03.32 # that's a good line ^^ 04.03.46 # He's not trying to be a troll, I think, his attitude about reading the manual just causes him to reproduce troll-like behaviour unintentionally 04.03.55 # Basically not malicious, just clueless 04.04.48 # * Llorean wonders if Google has told us how many we get yet, and I've just missed it. 04.04.54 # They only have like 3 hours left until today's over. 04.05.33 # "We (Rockbox) and you have very different philosophies. You believe support should be human, we believe manuals are an efficient replacement for human support, though we are happy to suplement them if it is shown they are lacking. We obviously don't see eye-to-eye and suggest you either A-accept our lovely manual or B - accept our ignoring of you, not as an insult but as us carrying on our lives, and understand we will never agree. 04.05.49 # Llorean: isnt he deadline the 11th? 04.06.20 # JdGordon: The final announcement of which projects are accepted is the 11th 04.06.29 # That's when we have to have our decisions done by 04.06.30 # ah 04.06.43 # We get "at least a week" meaning "we find out on the 4th" and Google even stated that they'd tell us by the 4th. 04.06.50 # At least, last I checked, that was the case. 04.06.59 # And the 4th ends in their timezone in 5 hours 04.07.12 # * Llorean was looking at the wrong clock when he said 3. 04.07.24 # maybe Bagder got an email and hasnt passed it on yet? 04.07.54 # Has anybody contacted people at the Audacious, Tomasz Mon has applied to two projects... 04.08.09 # aliask: You're allowed to apply to as many as you'd like 04.08.13 # You can only be accepted for one, though 04.08.31 # "You may still assign a mentor to this application, but please contact the other organizations involved first, since a student can not be accepted for more than one organization. " 04.09.14 # aliask: Once we know how many we get, we can contact Audacious 04.09.23 # Ah yes, fair point. 04.09.31 # It's entirely possible that either they or us won't have enough projects allowed for it to matter. 04.09.59 # JdGordon: If there were an email, I think it would go to all three people listed as project administrators, and in that case, I imagine we'd have heard about it. 04.10.14 # Llorean: may I assume the Gigabeat manual is up-to-date with the latest gigabeat bootloader? 04.11.20 # Soap: I believe so, yes. 04.11.20 # Llorean: whos the three? if they are all asleep i dont see why its unreasonable for us to not have heard yet 04.11.28 # .... or we got 0 projects :p 04.11.30 # JdGordon: One of them is talking to you right now. :-P 04.11.38 # ah ok :) 04.12.57 # so there is a good chance we got none? 04.13.17 # I think one or two of our applicants has special conditions (isn't 100% sure they're free this summer, or is applied to other projects) so we need to start contacting people to verify within a day or two after we find out, IMHO 04.13.25 # Soap: No, I think at a minimum we'll get 4 04.13.33 # woo hoo 04.13.52 # There's 800 acceptances divided among 132 projects, so using that we should expect 6 04.14.05 # And we've requested 8 (I think mostly so that we're likely to get at least 6, honestly) 04.14.33 # There's a lot of exciting stuff in the list, unfortunately 04.15.20 # I know, that Zune-Linux entry is smokin' 04.15.32 # exciting astuff on which list? 04.16.15 # JdGordon: The list of applications for SoC? 04.16.26 # ah, yes 04.17.54 # I can't wait for the shopping list feature. :D 04.18.01 # crap, I hate bugs which only appear on target and not in the sim :'( 04.19.00 # JdGordon: They made the sim more tolerant of errors just to spite you. :-P 04.19.18 # that would be bloody right! 04.21.35 # trying to fix 6965.. and the bookmark crash doesnt happen in the sim :( it shuold either fail in both or niether.... 04.22.50 # hey I looked through the settings but it seemed like this wasn't possible, wanted to doule check, I can't make the backlight behavior on rockbox ipod 4g like the original firmware's? Such that I hold the menu button down and it turns it on? How it is right now is that I just touch the wheel and it turns on, this is cool but I have a feeling it's wasting a lot of battery power 04.23.21 # blanky: Yes, you can't make it toggle-able right now. 04.23.32 # alright, thanks Llorean I appreciate the help 04.24.08 # also, I doubt it'd be possible to integrate the normal style of scrolling through a song right? Where you press the select button and then scroll to go to a different place in the song? It's alright just want to make sure I didn't miss anything 04.24.25 # blanky: That is not an option either. 04.24.29 # alright, thanks Llorean 04.24.38 # I'll be seeing you guys later, rockbox looks very promising! 04.24.42 Quit blanky ("Bye Bye.") 04.28.42 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 04.29.01 # FFFFFFFAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!! 04.30.00 # ? 04.30.36 # JdGordon: have I done something wrong ? 04.30.39 # :) 04.30.55 # no, this stupid bug is irritating me 04.31.00 # niec work on the commit last night btw :) 04.31.17 # JdGordon: thanks :) 04.32.50 Quit mr_pink () 04.37.46 Join pearldiver [0] (n=say@cpe-72-225-231-80.nyc.res.rr.com) 04.40.01 Quit mbr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.40.16 # yay! I got it to crash the sim :) 04.42.53 # Nico_P, tob job on getting that tokenizer stuff finished and comitted. Much nicer now. 04.43.05 # top even 04.43.14 # * safetydan should probably stay away from keyboards 04.43.34 # safetydan: thanks for starting it in the first place :) 04.44.00 Join webguest93 [0] (i=d85669e5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d1262a1d323db70a) 04.44.13 Join voltagex [0] (n=voltagex@124-254-124-5-dsl.ispone.net.au) 04.44.43 # i guess all the wps related patches are broken, arent they 04.44.51 # boo f hoo 04.44.51 Quit webguest93 (Client Quit) 04.44.55 # ;) 04.45.25 # hang on, if I update to latest, will all my themes break? 04.45.35 # funny how there're no S'es to buy now anywhere :P 04.45.53 # voltagex: No. 04.45.58 # voltagex: Unless you use an unsupported build 04.46.15 # Llorean: just using RBUtil to grab latest 04.46.32 # any themes not needing patches which break should be reported to Nico_P 04.47.09 # pearldiver: I noticed that as well before when I went on eBay 04.47.25 # * voltagex loves RBUtil 04.47.28 # very true. in here one in the forum thread 04.47.33 # grr.... found my damn bug 04.47.34 # lachlan_ a month ago there was plenty 04.47.46 # I had #ifdef CONFIG_TUNER instead of #if :'( 04.47.57 # But they couldn't all have been snapped up immediately, the hack was only announced a few hours ago 04.48.10 # which hack? 04.48.23 # pearldiver: yes, most patch are probably completely broken. I'll fix the ones I like best :) 04.48.37 # I want even more themes 04.48.45 # I haveall the themes that RBUtil can install 04.48.48 # Nico_P: Take your time, I'm going to enjoy watching people complain to the unsupported builds authors. :-P 04.48.57 # haha 04.49.23 # Llorean: I think I will too. but that could lead to even more outdated builds. 04.49.32 # Yeah, I know 04.49.35 # voltagex there was some nice progress today about gigabeat S, zune and nado 2g 04.49.37 # We need the killer feature soon 04.49.39 # so, what does this new WPS stuff do? 04.49.42 # voltagex: look in the new ports forum in the gigabeat s30 thread- someone has (supposedly) managed to get past the firmware encryption 04.49.42 # nano* 04.49.50 # Nico_P: We should've held video back for a couple weeks until now 04.49.51 # RB on Zune? 04.50.07 # no, only s series 04.50.07 # voltagex not about rockbox yet, about hacking the devices in general 04.50.16 # rockbox killer feature = doom + gameboy 04.50.18 # voltagex: basically, it does the same thing but differently. You shouldn't see anything different. If you do, please report it 04.50.33 # aww 04.50.35 # voltagex, the new WPS stuff makes the code substantially easier to read and maintain. 04.50.40 # I was hoping for something cool 04.50.47 # Should make it easier for people to patch it as well 04.50.55 # but yeah I do enough coding to know that's good 04.50.58 # voltagex: cool things will be made easier by the new code 04.51.10 # has anything been done on the gameboy emulator in the last 2 years? 04.51.22 # voltagex: Well, it was written... 04.51.39 # unfortunately my h340 isn't fast enough for it 04.51.44 # lachlan_ 04.51.45 # http://www.itechnews.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/Gigabeat_1.jpg 04.51.56 # if you see the most right one anywhere let me know please :P 04.52.05 # Well, I guess it was 2 years and 1 month ago 04.52.34 # the h300 is fine for rockboy 04.52.39 # pearldiver: Haha I will keep it in mind. Don't generally see many red ones though 04.52.41 # if you can handle frameskip on max... 04.52.47 # sooner gigabeats come down in price the better 04.52.54 # JdGordon: exactly 04.53.04 # * JdGordon can handle it.. 04.53.21 # voltagex: I daresay RB will make them more expensive. All about the supply and demand 04.53.25 # * Llorean would use his Nano for Rockboy if it didn't have battery concerns. 04.53.25 # voltagex its not about the price anymore, its just not many of them are left in the wild in general 04.53.45 # well I'll be looking for a new mp3 player soon 04.54.07 # but it's looking like I'll just get a smartphone and a whole lot of memory cards >< 04.54.12 # Nico_P: the bin increase for the wps stuff isnt as bad as you thought yeah? 04.54.51 # JdGordon: it's not too bad but still bad enough for me to feel a bit ashamed :) 04.54.52 # are there any tags on the h300 thats not on the h100's apart from the rtc? 04.55.07 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 04.55.10 # JdGordon: I don't think so 04.55.20 # so the rtc tags take up 1k by themselves? 04.55.32 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@cpe-74-71-205-222.twcny.res.rr.com) 04.55.49 # JdGordon: They are damn big. I'll check though 04.55.51 # is it just me or is shutdown a lot faster in this build? 04.56.43 # Nico_P: according to the delta table it is.. unless there are more tags.. 04.56.49 # * JdGordon wonders why they are so huge? 04.57.19 # JdGordon: RTC adds a lot of tokens 04.57.35 # has the wps creation process undergone some changes too? 04.57.59 # Nico_P: bloody hell :p it sure does 04.58.03 # pearldiver: there should be no big changes. maybe a few subtelties are diffenrent 05.00.31 # btw, old bug i just remembered about 05.00.48 # if you have "pause on headphones unplug" option on 05.01.09 # o.O that option doesn;t exist on H300 does it? 05.01.25 # turn on the player with headphones unplugged, plug the headphones and try to resume the playback 05.01.31 # it hangs the player 05.02.06 # (gigabeat target) 05.02.25 # pearldiver: is there a FS task for that bug? 05.02.45 # Llorean: does your nano have an old battery? 05.03.00 # JdGordon not that i recall of 05.03.11 # add it.. :) 05.03.12 # i checked awhile ago though 05.03.21 # JdGordon: in my gigabeat build, replacing #if CONFIG_RTC by #if 0 took 1692 bytes off the binary 05.04.25 # hmm 05.04.44 # I think I know where to look for optimisation :) 05.04.55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.06.16 # ah, you didnt get rid of that next variable in the wps_token struct... 05.06.29 # not so easy to tag that onto the enum? 05.06.40 # JdGordon: no, because even without it the struct was still 8 bytes 05.06.50 Join dberg918 [0] (i=8102f0d5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-828b795652628c99) 05.06.57 # unless I added a 'packed' attribute 05.07.03 # which brought it down to 6 05.07.23 # ok 05.07.37 # Hey, I need some help 05.08.13 # I've been trying to create a build for about a month now, and I'm constantly getting errors 05.08.21 # Soap: Quite old. 05.08.27 # Soap: My Nano's a year and 3 months old now. 05.09.18 # I'm trying to patch a build for my H10 20GB, just the album art patch, and I'm using a build from April 4th 05.09.40 Quit XavierGr () 05.09.47 # (since the new Tokenizer apparently knocked album art out of sync) 05.10.56 # patching is fine, but using the "make" command gives me an error after about 10 seconds 05.11.42 # dberg918: you'll have to tell us on which file it fails 05.11.46 Quit midgey () 05.12.40 # I'm trying to build again, but it seems that cygwin is starting to crash my entire computer...ZoneAlarm just went nuts 05.13.05 # and the cygwin shell is somehow "unavailable" 05.13.47 Join Slowking_Man [0] (n=slow@wikipedia/Slowking-Man) 05.14.05 Quit Nico_P ("bed time") 05.15.13 Quit dberg918 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 05.19.01 Join dberg918 [0] (i=8102f0d5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a6fa0fd562e41a3d) 05.22.17 # wow, I'm compiling right now...it's going a lot farther than it has in a while 05.22.57 # we'll see if the simulator compiles after this... 05.23.05 # darn, there's an error... 05.23.37 # dberg918 let me test a clean svn 05.23.41 # it's crashing on apps/rockbox.elf 05.24.04 # I'm using a back-dated April 4th build 05.24.50 # it's crashed on this file before, and I could never find a "rockbox.elf" file in the apps folder 05.28.02 # no problems whatsoever with the clean build 05.28.28 # rockbox.elf is the finished file before (?) the linking process 05.28.40 # I'm using the album_art patch from March 4th, and it patches fine 05.29.00 # well unless you are using the source code from before yesterday it wont work 05.29.46 # dberg918 do svn revert -R apps firmware 05.30.17 # with the current updates album art patch won't work 05.30.34 # btw, mod support patch is broken for me too 05.30.38 # ...even with the April 4th build, which doesn't include the tokenizer 05.30.59 # you mean before the tokanizer? 05.31.05 # yeah 05.31.33 # the April 4th archived source code on the website doesn't include the tokenizer 05.31.49 # try april 3rd 05.33.30 # I'll try, but this has been happening to me for about a week or two 05.33.33 # * JdGordon thinks now is a good time to bring in more patch breaking code :) 05.33.51 # the rockbox.elf thing 05.37.39 # I need to build the simulator as well, after I try to make a normal build...you can just create a different directory and build it in there without consequence, right? 05.38.20 # aliask: never ring harvey norman.. they their bloody add as the hold music... im going crazy! 05.38.22 # :'( 05.38.48 # darnit, still getting the rockbox.elf error 05.38.59 # whats the error 05.39.07 # pastebin the whole error 05.39.59 # make[1]: ***[/home/Owner/rockbox-20070403/build/apps/rockbox.elf] Error 1 05.40.15 # make: ***[all] Error 2 05.40.20 # we need more than that... 05.40.26 # dberg918: You're going to need more than that, do not post it here 05.40.31 # Use pastebin.ca or some similar site 05.40.33 # goto pastebin.ca and paste it all 05.40.50 # ...sorry, I'm not familiar with pastebin 05.42.13 # how do you go about copying something in cygwin? 05.43.34 # highlight it all... the rclick copy 05.43.47 # or do make 2> out.txt 05.43.56 Quit safetydan ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 05.44.00 # haha, figured it out 05.44.00 # and open out.txt annd copy/paste that into pastebin 05.44.19 # * JdGordon tihniks they've forgotten about me :'( 05.44.30 # whoever invented the hold button on phones should be shot 05.45.38 # JdGordon: Why are you ringing them anyway? 05.46.01 # gotta get a new cdrom for my laptop... hopefully uner warrenty still 05.46.24 # ok, here it is: http://pastebin.ca/424959 05.46.28 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.47.21 # dberg918: you have the wrong version of gcc installed 05.47.37 # you need 4.0.3 05.47.52 # they just hung up on me! 05.47.55 # oh, a new version of cygwin? 05.48.04 # no.. gcc... 05.48.06 # So, I just synced with the current SVN and loaded it on to my DAP. What happened to the menu? 05.48.22 # scrap cygwin and get colinux or vmware 05.48.43 # I've tried vmware and it was a pain in my butt 05.49.05 # cygwin might be slow and rustic, but it actually works for me 05.49.17 # Landus: It got reworked, as you may have noticed. 05.49.34 # Is it a problem? 05.49.39 # so gcc...I don't even know what that is 05.49.51 # Until I have time to get used to it, slightly. 05.49.54 Join blanky [0] (n=Blank@pool-71-105-13-162.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 05.50.07 # I feel obliged to print the manual haha 05.50.16 # I've just been using rockbox for 2 hours or so and I'm in love with it 05.50.19 # jBlackGlass isn't working with it, but that's probably because I forgot to reload the fonts. 05.50.27 # I've been using it for almost a year. 05.50.29 # mainly because of it's 'dual boot-ness' 05.50.56 # Landus: jBlackGlass doesn't have anything to do with the Menus does it? 05.51.10 # In a way. 05.51.14 # It had a certain font. 05.51.27 # And I'm probably getting all freaked out because I forgot to copy them over. 05.52.35 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@host.91-92-172-170.airbites.bg) 05.52.40 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@24-117-195-16.cpe.cableone.net) 05.52.50 # Yay. 05.53.13 # ok, rockbox would not compile and I am no expert on C, but on one off the lines its talking about, it looks odd to me 05.53.26 # bool show_sb_on_wps; 05.53.27 # <<<<<<< .mine 05.53.52 # the bottom line is the one it doesn't like and I also put the one before it. 05.54.02 # Did you apply any patches? 05.54.07 # JdGordon, sorry to keep bothering you, but I need a little help with GCC...looks like I found the binary I need, but I don't know how to use it 05.54.24 # ...or install it, rather 05.54.45 # Landus: ages ago, but I want to see if I can fix whats wrong. Its saying syntax errors too. 05.55.07 # I dont know how to get it working... I suggest grabbing the colinux or vmware images whic are both up to date 05.55.08 # If any of the patches had any failed hunks, that probably why your having compiling problems. 05.55.25 # Landus: no. no failed hunks in patches 05.55.43 # Hmm. 05.55.48 # Alonea: you did a svn up? 05.55.52 # do you have to be running Linux to use colinux? 05.55.52 # i just dont know what <<<<<<<< that does in code? 05.56.00 # Gordon beat me to the question. 05.56.13 # dberg918: no, both are for getting linux working under windows 05.56.21 # JdGordon: yeah. it was working fine yesterday but I re updated today and its not compiling. 05.56.36 # Alonea: that measn your local code has comfliscting changes with svn 05.56.43 # which means you proabbaly are using the AA patcjh 05.56.50 # JdGordon: so they're pretty much the same? 05.56.52 # JdGordon: album art? yeah. 05.57.14 # yup.. your stuffed then... you cant use AA with current svn untill its resynced 05.57.18 # dberg918: yep 05.57.43 # JdGordon: hmmm, how have they been fixing it before? 05.57.49 # ugh...I guess I'll have to look into it 05.58.30 # they anvt needed to... before it worked.. but now the code it changes was changed 06.00.11 # >>>>>>> .r13027 and the other one actually mean? 06.02.23 # how do I use an older svn source with vmware or colinux? All I remember is being able to download the latest version 06.02.49 # svn co --revision 13000 or something like that iirc 06.02.58 # dberg918: dont you put a date in the svn thing when you download the source? I saw it on the wiki... 06.03.35 # Llorean: I thought everyone was against using inline settings? the song rating uses it instead of the standrard number setting screen? 06.03.36 # is it in the wiki somewhere? I'll check it out. I just remember using a guide that tells you how to get the latest svn 06.04.30 # JdGordon: I really don't know. It could be a case of nobody noticing yet, really? 06.04.32 # dberg918: yeah and under it it also says you can also download the code from a specific date 06.04.37 # dberg918: I did it the other day 06.05.00 # ahhh, I see it, cool 06.10.08 # really, I am just curious as to what is actually breaking the aa patch and what this "resyncing" means. Trying to learn more about the code. 06.12.25 Part Llorean 06.13.48 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 06.15.02 Quit voltagex (Remote closed the connection) 06.15.40 Join voltagex [0] (n=voltagex@124-254-124-5-dsl.ispone.net.au) 06.34.34 Quit lachlan_ ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 06.38.26 # Hrm. 06.39.09 # The jBlackGlass WPS is lining up the way its supposed to be in the latest SVN release. 06.39.15 # Isn't, rather. 06.43.21 Quit eggy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.47.38 Quit dberg918 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 06.48.01 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 06.57.12 Quit hannesd_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.04.43 Quit blanky ("Bye Bye.") 07.04.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.10.59 Nick joshin is now known as joshin_ (n=joshin@unaffiliated/joshin) 07.18.32 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@71.216.234.24) 07.18.57 # Landus: jblackglass requires an unsupported build, doesn't it? 07.29.12 Join mbr [0] (n=mbr@p3ee07729.dip.t-dialin.net) 07.38.38 # Llorean: jClix, does, I believe. All jBlackGlass needs is the scrolling margins and statusbar heigh patches applied. 07.38.39 Quit _jhMikeS_ (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.39.14 # Landus: Which means it will not display properly on an unpatched build, right? 07.39.34 # Right. 07.39.41 # And yet your very statement was that it doesn't display on an SVN build, and assuming you used the standard definition of "An SVN build" that suggests that it was unpatched... 07.41.35 # My mistake. I always throw on the margins and statusbar height patch out of habit now. 07.41.53 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 07.42.02 # It slipped my mind to mention it. 07.42.07 # Then what you're having problems with is not an SVN build. 07.42.12 # And you should take it to the patch authors 07.43.40 # I never said I had problems with the SVN build. 07.43.58 # You said "SVN Release" 07.44.18 # 06.39.09 # The jBlackGlass WPS is lining up the way its supposed to be in the latest SVN release. 07.44.30 # I know what I said. They both refer to the same thing. 07.45.13 # * Llorean shrugs 07.45.14 # I was figuring if anyone here had already had this problem and found a solution, someone would pipe up. 07.45.32 # You said you had problems with an SVN Release 07.45.35 # If not, I was going to email Julius. 07.45.37 # Then you said just now that you never said it. 07.46.11 # Wrong. I said I was using the latest SVN release. 07.46.17 # Not that I was having problems with it. 07.46.35 # You said that something didn't work with it. 07.46.48 # Specifically, the theme you were trying to use. 07.46.51 # Rockbox isn't suppose to conform to patches and themes, therefore, it can't be the firmware's fault. 07.47.06 # So, you said "Something that isn't supposed to work, doesn't work." 07.47.14 # If you KNEW it wasn't supposed to work, before you said it, why even bother? 07.47.45 # Back to what I said about if anyone had already run into this problem, I was figuring someone would talk. 07.47.55 # I thought you said it wasn't a problem. 07.48.02 # (12:46:11 AM) Landus: Not that I was having problems with it. 07.48.05 # Is it a problem, or not? 07.48.13 # Not with the firmware, no. 07.48.29 # That's where you're having a problem comprehending what I say. 07.48.37 # Well this is #Rockbox 07.48.41 # Not #Julius'Themes 07.48.54 # Nor is this #English. 07.48.57 # A theme not supported by Rockbox doesn't work with Rockbox. All I can say is "Yes, this is how it's supposed to be." 07.49.13 # I don't have a problem with you, but either I've done something to bother you, or you're just in a bad mood. 07.49.49 # You're asking for help with unsupported features. 07.49.58 # I made a statement. 07.50.11 # With the intent that someone might have had the problem, and respond, as you said. 07.50.17 # I expected if someone had anything relating to what I said, someone would pipe up. 07.50.27 # But my point is: Don't ask about unsupported features here. 07.50.37 # Just contact the author of said feature or WPS. 07.59.05 Join eggy [0] (n=eggy@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/yorkcc.eggy) 08.02.51 # anyone in a conf now? 08.03.04 # oops wrong channel 08.11.02 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 08.11.17 Part kaaloo 08.12.00 Quit z0de ("\o/ my neck") 08.14.08 Join bluebrother [0] (i=kY5GVTWy@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 08.17.35 # Llorean: if you noticed, the numbers didnt come out today 08.17.57 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54b15f58.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.18.00 # scorche: They have 39 minutes left 08.18.21 # At least by the clock here, by my PC clock they have 41 08.18.29 # what i was meaning, was that they said they have delayed it a bit 08.18.34 # "Keep eye on Announcement list for student allocation info; coming soon(ish)" 08.18.39 # that is all they are saying atm 08.18.56 # Gr 08.19.01 # * Alonea looks at clock and sees that she really should be asleep 08.19.04 # Are they pushing back the April 11th date then? 08.19.13 # doubt it, but i dont know 08.19.34 # They promised us a week from "how many students you get" to "when you have to have picked by" 08.20.00 # well, i will keep you updated 08.20.17 # night guys 08.20.26 # scorche: Thanks 08.21.03 Quit Alonea ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/0000000000]") 08.21.07 Join webguest20 [0] (i=29de0c88@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-089842aa68f90b9c) 08.21.35 Quit webguest20 (Client Quit) 08.22.17 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc3-rdng11-0-0-cust229.winn.cable.ntl.com) 08.22.32 Join tuna [0] (n=tuna@ip68-230-120-102.ph.ph.cox.net) 08.22.43 # hello 08.22.58 # I'm having some trouble with my 30 gig video ipod 08.23.03 Join webguest20 [0] (i=29de0c88@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4e58b3846e4934d6) 08.23.17 # i installed rockbox on it ok, but all i see is the Apple logo 08.23.36 # i can hear and feel the hard drive whirring 08.23.44 # but nothing's happening 08.24.48 # what's going on? 08.25.35 # It doesn't sound like you've installed Rockbox ok. 08.25.40 # Or was it working with Rockbox before? 08.26.29 # JdGordon: Around? 08.26.44 # no 08.26.48 # first boot 08.26.59 # but now when i plug it in, it won't mount! 08.27.03 # and i can 08.27.10 # *can't turn it off 08.27.17 # tuna: Did you extract a rockbox.zip to it? 08.27.58 # yes 08.28.20 # then ran the binary 08.28.26 # pondlife: hey, sup? 08.29.00 # Llorean: want me to pastebin the output? 08.29.12 # tuna: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8205.0 for putting your iPod into disk mode. 08.29.35 # JdGordon: What was the fix for http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6965? 08.29.38 # But first, reboot your iPod, and press and hold "Right" at the apple screen 08.30.04 # I'm coming to the conclusion that bookmark handling in playback.c is pretty screwed... :( 08.30.39 # pondlife: the problem was the because ifdef was used #instead of #if, it was crashing because it was trying to run the function at 0x0... 08.30.52 # Aha, so root_menu, not playback? 08.30.53 # Llorean: I can't reboot it! it's stuck in the apple logo screen! 08.30.54 # bookmark handling is horrid imo, but this wasnt a bookmark bug 08.31.11 # * pondlife will carry on looking at the other bookmark bugs then 08.31.42 # :) 08.32.24 # Don't expect much improvement :( 08.32.45 # Every time I "fix" one thing the rest of the buffering code gets sick. 08.34.18 # llorean: i did it! 08.34.26 # so now i just re-extract it? 08.35.22 # hey i have just a real quick question... can the iriver h10 dual boot now 08.35.44 # tuna: I don't know, it depends on what the error message is when you boot while holding Right 08.35.51 # webguest20: Has been able to for a while 08.35.59 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.36.13 # llorean: i don't get an error message, it just stays at the apple logo 08.36.31 # tuna: Are you holding Right while booting? 08.36.34 # but i got it in disk mode now... 08.37.04 # no... 08.37.20 # I said to hold right, twice. 08.37.21 # thanks i have come here in a long time...peace out (: 08.37.31 # sorry :( 08.37.45 # well i have it in disk mode now, so what should i do? 08.37.50 # I can confirm the first part of Aibo's hack, and I have gotten the V firmware update to work 08.37.50 # w/ his instructions on the gigabeat S30 forum 08.37.50 # the V30 firmware updater now recognizes my S30 and just erased the firmware 08.37.50 DBUG Enqueued KICK ptw419 08.37.50 # good thing and bad thing :\ 08.37.53 # sry 08.38.00 # for the flood that is 08.38.23 # yeah, use pastebin, man! 08.38.32 # www.rafb.net/paste 08.38.33 Quit webguest20 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 08.39.37 # tuna: I also said I don't know what you need to do, as it depends on the error message when you boot while holding right. 08.40.00 # so... reboot while holding right and see what happens? 08.40.27 # Reboot, then hold right. 08.40.42 # At least, I believe "Right" is the button to make the bootloader show text on the iPods 08.41.37 # its flashing a little, but no text 08.41.55 # I'm probably going to be on the binrev.com podcast talking about Rockbo 08.41.56 # x 08.42.03 # and my left thumb is getting sore :P 08.42.05 # can I send someone my shownotes to check over? 08.42.20 # tuna: Unfortunately I don't know what the trick is to make it output text right now then. I thought it was Right 08.42.40 # tuna: But you need to make sure that you have X:\.rockbox\ with X:\.rockbox\rockbox.ipod in it. 08.42.45 # Where X is your iPod's drive letter. 08.42.56 # mo0ning 08.43.02 # There should be many other files too, but those are the absolute minimum for Rockbox to boot, the rest are required for more advance things such as playing music. 08.43.11 # well for me it would be /media/ipod/.rockbox 08.43.38 # Yes, yes, abstract it for your operating system of choice as necessary. :-P 08.43.48 # Llorean: it is "Right" to show the bootloader output -- just tried it. 08.44.03 # bluebrother: Alright, I thought it was, but I'm about 2000 miles from anything I can test it on. :) 08.44.22 # oh, that near? ;-) 08.44.34 # Actually, it's only 1121 apparently 08.44.38 # I was wildly overestimating 08.44.47 # llorean: both those things are there, but it's still not working 08.44.49 # it's funny to see in how small distances europeans think ... 08.45.03 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 08.45.03 # * tuna is using Linux, the best OS in the world :D 08.46.36 # tuna: I honestly don't know right now. I'd really need to know the bootloader output. 08.46.57 # where should it appear? 08.47.10 Quit billytwowilly (Remote closed the connection) 08.47.13 # tuna: If you press Right at the right time during boot, it should appear 08.47.37 # the right time during boot? 08.47.40 # when's that? 08.47.46 Join billytwowilly [0] (n=chris@S01060016b649355d.ed.shawcable.net) 08.47.47 # i was holding it before it boot 08.47.51 # I don't have one to test with, so I can't really tell you exactly 08.48.13 # tuna: I said clearly "Reboot, then hold right." 08.48.33 # I'm fairly certain it's got to be pressed after the Rockbox bootloader takes over. 08.48.41 # tuna: press Right when the apple logo appears 08.48.45 # * Llorean isn't 100% certain on this one, and again notes he has nothing to play with. 08.48.47 # ok 08.49.28 # * tuna appreciates Llorean's patience and willingness to help Tuna even though he's an idiot 08.49.43 # btw -- is there a key to delay booting when showing the output? 08.49.56 # bluebrother: I don't believe so. 08.50.05 # The assumption being that you only need the output when something has gone wrong. 08.51.36 # ok, the right button thing isn't working 08.51.39 # :/ 08.53.38 # well what are the possible problems? 08.54.33 # The most likely is that your rockbox.ipod is corrupt for whatever reason (didn't eject properly is the single most common one) 08.54.49 # Since we've established that the file appears to be in the right place (not having it there is more common, but we seem to have eliminated that) 08.55.11 # The next problem down the list is "accidentally downloaded the iPod 4G or Photo build instead of the Video build" or something similar 08.55.35 # Below that is "Your bootloader isn't working for some reason" but I haven't actually seen that happen outside of someone using the manual install process and messing it up entirely. 08.57.39 # ok, so the solution would be to re-DL RockBox, and make sure it's the video version? 08.58.29 # one step closer to rockbox on gigabeat S 08.58.37 # That would address everything but the bootloader concern, yes. 09.02.40 Join crop [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-82f3381eac348390) 09.04.26 # ok, which do i want: iPod Video - Boot, iPod Video, or iPod Video - Slim 09.04.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.05.22 # That table isn't the download 09.05.26 # oh 09.05.34 # Scroll down to the second table, with the pictures of players 09.06.12 # ok 09.06.20 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-975557974e775ee7) 09.06.23 # you know, i think that i did DL the wrong one! 09.06.46 # It's not uncommon. 09.07.13 # It's easy to accidentally click the wrong one. 09.07.51 # Nico_P: are you here? I have some thoughts about the wps tokenizer which would reduce binara size, improve readability and (I think) performance 09.10.14 # the photo and video look so alike 09.10.43 # ok, NOW lets see how it did 09.10.57 # hey, it worked! 09.11.49 # dan_a: are you also involved in the recent impl of wps tokenizer? 09.12.07 # but i'm changing the theme, cuz this one's BUTT-FRICKIN-UGLY! 09.12.32 # crop: Safetydan was the 'dan' that started work on it, I believe 09.13.01 # what's his name here? 09.13.24 # safetydan... 09.14.29 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@88.218.17.76) 09.15.15 # Llorean: too simple to be true :-) 09.15.34 # wtf? it just shut down on me when I was messing with RockPaint! 09.17.18 # tuna: ipod ? 09.18.23 # yeah 09.18.57 # so then i plugged it in, and it rebooted into rockbox 09.19.14 # then a giant Male USB connecter showed up, and it rebooted into Disk Mode 09.19.30 # you pressed stop too long i guess 09.19.37 # that triggers a shutdown 09.19.44 # oh 09.19.44 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.78 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/0000000000]") 09.19.57 # so it's a design flaw with RockPaint? 09.20.06 # no, it's a rockbox limitation 09.20.06 # eh, it probly needs a charge anyway 09.20.12 # which can't be bypassed by plugins 09.20.15 # oh 09.20.33 # unless you change the shutdown key in the rockbox code :) 09.20.47 # Hmm... Nobody here (yet) to discuss the wps tokenizer... 09.20.50 # there's always a hack-a-round 09.21.20 # somepeople change the shutdown key to a combo, which makes it less likely that they trigger it without wanting to 09.21.29 # (since you have to keep it pressed for 10 secs) 09.21.32 # well, its a good chance to put on some pirated-er-legally acquired music on :D 09.22.29 # how do i make it a combo? 09.22.48 # did you compile rockbox yourself ? 09.22.51 # * crop runs off for about half an hour 09.23.10 # um... i don't think so... 09.23.23 # i just extracted the .zip and ran the binary 09.23.30 # then you won't be able to change it :) 09.23.39 # unless you setup a compile environement 09.23.57 # (it might be possible using a hex editor ... but i wouldn't risk it :p) 09.24.15 # i'll risk it 09.24.22 # what do i edit? 09.24.30 # it was a joke 09.24.32 # you'd have to know what to edit where and which value to change it too 09.24.50 # ah... 09.25.10 # oh well 09.25.15 Quit crop ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 09.25.22 # i'll just discontinue my use of RockPaint 09.25.30 # or I can draw in strokes... 09.25.35 # just remember to not press down too long 09.25.43 # right 09.25.45 # ok, bye 09.25.48 # or maybe ask if someone here has a tweaked rockbox.ipod 09.25.53 # thanks for all the help, community! 09.26.08 # tomorrow 09.26.13 # (maybe) 09.26.15 # bye! 09.26.18 # 'night! 09.26.21 # bye 09.26.22 Part tuna ("Konversation terminated!") 09.31.18 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 09.39.05 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@84.255.206.8) 09.42.12 # * pondlife gives up 09.42.21 # Damn buffering code 09.42.47 Join datachild [0] (i=krebb@linux.aeger.wind0ws.info) 09.42.54 # What on earth is the need for audio_new_playlist vs. audio_play 09.43.38 # Time to scrap the whole thing and start again with a bit of documentation methinks. 09.47.36 Join crop [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d3f30349bce96d51) 09.48.24 Quit lalu ("Reconnecting") 09.48.30 Join lalu [0] (n=lalu@faya.chapeaux-noirs.org) 09.48.47 Quit lalu (Client Quit) 09.48.49 Join lalu [0] (n=lalu@faya.chapeaux-noirs.org) 09.51.32 Join Siltaar [0] (n=Siltaar@193.52.208.229) 09.54.30 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 10.01.33 Join BigBabyJesus [0] (n=BigBabyJ@L1852.l.pppool.de) 10.03.02 Join tremby [0] (n=tremby@85-211-254-158.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk) 10.05.06 Join inversions [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 10.06.38 # Could someone try a quick test for me..? 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I wouldn't attempt to guess from the routine name!! 10.33.47 # :) 10.34.09 # Starting playback from an offset (i.e bookmark) during playback is completely knackered in SVN. 10.34.10 # irockboc 10.34.18 # irockbox 10.34.40 # If it does manage to start, it will probably crash when you (a) press STOP or (b) select another non-bookmarked track,. 10.34.42 Quit voltagex () 10.34.45 # i just tried to switch to rockbox default and it looked more right 10.34.56 # * Genre9mp3 is very happy today for 2 reasons (1. - Going to test what changed in Rockbox the last 2 months 2. - Going to do that on a Gigabeat!) 10.35.24 # pondlife: i've been thinking about converting the bookmarks to just use the playlist resume info at the time and reload that.. but havnt worked out ow best to do it 10.35.26 # I wish there was a buffer management API that could be given a list of files to buffer and just abstracted the whole thing in some way. 10.35.32 Quit inversions (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.35.35 # instead of having 2 totaly different systems for essentially the same thing 10.35.38 # I'm currently charging the Gigabeat :) 10.35.39 # Yes 10.35.51 # so its not my new battery but the themes that are problem 10.35.59 # They are using the same thing.. 10.36.11 # but you can only resume from a stopped state 10.36.17 # (in which case bookmarks work) 10.36.28 # I have crossfading enabled, if that matters. 10.37.01 # nebudk: As I said, it appears to be theme's fault.. I'm currently searching the wps you use 10.37.10 # * JdGordon is in the scrap-and-restart buffering/playback engines camp 10.37.22 # Would a more generic buffering API be good for video, codecs, whatever (as well as simplifying playback.c loads)? 10.37.22 # thank you 10.37.49 # It just needs to manage audio_buffer in a way that works with the codecs... 10.37.55 # guess so 10.37.59 # pondlife: probably.... 10.38.09 # That would be a good thing to work on (hint) 10.38.29 # we need some discussion of how the current buffering/playback engines work.. and how they should work (and be as split as possible) 10.38.37 # and then start from scratch 10.39.07 # malloc!!! we want freeking malloc! 10.39.11 # nebudk: Aha,... I found it on MisticRiver... it's a really old wps 10.39.38 # There would still need to be a track list handled by playback (or maybe playlist), above the buffering layer. To keep track of metadata or whatever, but the actual buffer would only be accessed via some kind of handle (i.e buffer slot). And the ring buffering stuff would be entirely hidden (for what it's worth). 10.39.42 # He-he. It's now clear why Nico_P is still not here. He left at 05:11. =:-O 10.39.48 # it is the themes, when i use Icatcher its fine 10.39.57 # * petur smacks JdGordon with a large memoryleak 10.39.58 # * bluebrother goes after his no-malloc arguments 10.40.18 # No malloc needed 10.40.26 # well, once you get a decent buffer manangemtn api in.. your almost there, but in a different name 10.40.27 # * bluebrother hands JdGordon the malloc mess he had in his current uni work 10.40.30 # nebudk: You have to change the code in that wps if you want it to show the battery right 10.40.31 # Nope 10.40.42 # allright 10.41.02 # do i need to be an astronaut to do that? :) 10.41.06 # The buffer is very limited in what it can be used for still. Basically a window into a file. 10.41.17 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 10.41.32 # nebudk: of course not... you just need a text editor 10.42.02 # buffering should be moved to firmware/ with a very strict api, playlist should handle all aspects of the current list, playback should handle making sure the corect file is in the buffer and being played (imo) 10.42.04 # ok i got that 10.42.07 # No need for much more. We can have a limited number of slots in there too - should be a simplification and not use more memory overall. 10.42.17 # JdGordon: Yep 10.42.26 # liimited slots is te current 32 track limitation... 10.42.27 # buffering is not direct hardware access 10.42.47 # Ah, well maybe not in firmware, but I agree with the rest. 10.42.54 # I don't think it belongs to firmware/ -- better split up apps/ into gui/ and kernel/ 10.43.12 # It can just live in apps for now!! 10.43.25 # well, in firmware it limits the amount of hacks that people can add ot it 10.44.01 # apps/ already has stuff that isn't well suited there 10.44.10 # Start by defining the requirements and interfaces... must work with the existing codecs, so maybe look atr 10.44.20 # ... buf_ridx for starters 10.44.42 # do we know how the codecs currently work? 10.44.58 # Yes, the have callbacks into playback.c... 10.45.47 # nebudk: You'll find this code: "%?bl<%xdl|%xdm|%xdn|%xdo|%xdp>>" in that wps in the 36th line, 5 times... all you need to do is change it to: "%?bl<%xdl|%xdl|%xdm|%xdn|%xdo|%xdp>>" 10.45.54 # Take a look at codec_request_buffer_callback(), codec_seek_buffer_callback() etc.. 10.46.07 # ok thanks 10.46.28 Quit anathema (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.46.28 # In fact look at where track_ridx is used... that will be basically your interface to the codecs. 10.46.35 # * Genre9mp3 tries to spend time while his Gigabeat is charging! :) 10.46.48 # is it line 36 in all themes that has to be changed like this or is it different from theme to theme? 10.46.51 # Probably just need a way to say "read n bytes from file x offset o" 10.47.15 # nebudk: only on that theme 10.47.17 # And then be clever enough to get files buffered before their data is needed. 10.47.25 # ok 10.47.27 # a predictive cache. 10.47.39 # trying it now 10.47.41 # and clever enough to not chuck out data which can be reused... i.e repeating tracks 10.48.12 # Well, that can come later if the API is suitable. Start by getting it to work as well as it does now 10.48.28 # Crawl, then walk, then run. 10.48.41 # run, then fall ;-) 10.48.44 # The main point is to KISS playback 10.48.51 Quit crwl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.48.53 Join roolku [0] (n=roolku@82-41-2-141.cable.ubr01.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 10.49.08 # Whilst not using more memory or battery ;p 10.49.22 # * JdGordon agrees with bluebrother 10.49.34 # AND document it first (wiki) before any coding... 10.49.47 # bufapi.c 10.49.49 # and document it in the code as well ... 10.49.51 # I think we should figure out the interfaces for the 3 modules first.. then start figuring out how to implement 10.49.58 # Yes 10.50.09 # Think modular 10.50.10 # with buffering the first to work out 10.50.54 # This will make MoB easier too, no-one wants to muck about with the current playback buffering code. It takes days just to do the simplest mods. 10.51.03 Quit gtkspert_ (Client Quit) 10.51.08 Quit billytwowilly (Remote closed the connection) 10.51.16 Join gtkspert [0] (n=gtkspert@gateless.info) 10.51.27 # So maybe Nico_P (or whoever is the student for that) might want to be a bit involved. It's Educational! 10.51.34 Join billytwowilly [0] (n=chris@S01060016b649355d.ed.shawcable.net) 10.51.37 # im sure he does 10.52.16 # To be clear - this is not the same thing as MoB but it surely would make it more friendly for him. 10.52.32 # i.e Metadata remains in the track structures for now 10.52.37 # imo there shouldnt be any discussion about redoing the buffering wthout considering MoB 10.53.03 # If the buffering API is generic enough (i.e. file-based) it shouldn't matter too much. 10.53.27 # not even file based... unsigned char array based... 10.53.32 # May need some tweaking (e.g. to ensure the next track info is available) but that can come later. 10.53.46 # I meant the API to be file based. 10.54.00 # wtf? MSVC can't use snprintf? 10.54.06 # i.e. playback says "I want this offset from file x" 10.54.19 # bluebrother: It can. 10.54.43 # I know ... just looked up the header file. But linking fails :o 10.54.49 # JdGordon: I don't think the API should be pointer/offset based... 10.55.02 # bluebrother: Hmm, I've used it recently (VS6).. 10.55.04 # the same code works fine on linux 10.55.29 # im not finding that line exactly 10.55.58 # changing snprintf to _snprintf and it can link it. Really strange. 10.56.06 # JdGordon: Bear in mind gapless playback too - not sure how the MASCODEC will impact on this, but I'd bet it does. 10.56.09 # Genre9mp3: great you finally got your Gigabeat! 10.56.37 # pondlife: doesnt gapless work by buffering the actuall pcm into a seperate buffer and not rebuffering between tracks? 10.56.50 # Hopefully. But not sure about MASCODEC. 10.56.59 # MAS/SW CODEC conversion is another thing that we want to achieve 10.57.14 # aye...playback unification 10.57.35 # would make thing a bit easier for the AV300s too 10.57.36 # * JdGordon has an idea but is scared of buffer fragmentation 10.57.38 # If you can keep the bufapi (TM) generic enough then all this should be helpful, even where playback.c isn't used... 10.57.53 # Gotta go, back in a bit 10.58.18 Join voltagex [0] (n=voltagex@124-254-124-5-dsl.ispone.net.au) 10.59.12 # hw codecs are a thing of the past, though. IMHO spending too much work integrating the two is not productive in the long run. I think I'd rather see clean "break points" 11.00.25 # im looking at the irockbox.wps 11.03.47 # markun: great that I'm finally home! :) 11.04.14 # Genre9mp3: you don't actually need to fully charge it before installing rockbox 11.04.25 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54964f1d.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.04.47 # nedbuk: yes, you are looking at the right file... the code I copy-pasted is in that line... this line is the longest of all 11.05.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.05.06 # markun: sure... :) 11.05.28 # I can't find again the rockbox website page that summarize all target specifications in tables... 11.05.40 # markun: btw, I am charging it with an H300 charger! How convinient! :) 11.05.40 # i found it and changed it but it didnt help 11.05.48 # Siltaar: DeviceChart 11.05.48 # i did boot 320 too 11.05.52 # yes ! 11.05.59 # it wanted to make 5 changes 11.06.55 # thx 11.07.07 # I will bookmark this one 11.08.02 # Genre9mp3: nice, didn't know that would work 11.08.20 # markun: Have exactly the same specs! :) 11.08.48 # all right thanks for the help though 11.09.05 # it cool somebody bothers 11.09.11 # the Gigabeat one I have has US plug and I don't have an adapter 11.09.53 # nebudk: np... just be sure you didn't make any mistake, it should work 11.11.39 # USB connected... :) 11.11.45 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m180.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 11.11.52 # cool... It's UMS 11.12.50 # i've just installed rockbox on my x5... everything seems fine except albums of ogg files aren't showing up on "album artist" sort mode. they do on plain "album" mode though 11.12.52 Join crwl [0] (n=crawlie@a88-114-143-95.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 11.14.07 # wow... the Gigabeat fw uses a lot of junk files 11.16.57 Join Entasis [0] (n=Jarred@ppp146-113.lns11.adl6.internode.on.net) 11.17.02 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 11.21.02 # all right i will give it another go, thanks 11.21.31 Quit amigan (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.23.30 # damn... I need to go out... this has to wait 11.23.33 # bbl 11.26.32 Join Guile [0] (n=Guile@84.4.27.131) 11.29.01 # petur: Bootfile change detection doesn't seem to work on archos, at least not on the player. Do you have an idea? 11.29.16 # Has anybody looked into the wps tokenizer code and like to discuss it? 11.30.08 # strange 11.31.01 # amiconn: archos also uses the default handler for USB, no? 11.31.11 # yes 11.32.35 Quit crop ("bbl") 11.32.40 # and they have BOOTFILE defined and not USB_IPODSTYLE ? 11.33.46 # that seems ok 11.35.07 # amiconn: new file in the .rockbox dir? 11.35.46 # is it possible to have albums sorted by date? 11.35.51 # The archos bootfile is located in the root 11.36.06 # aha - I only look in the .rockbox dir 11.36.10 Join safetydan [0] (n=dan@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 11.36.13 # It has to stay there, because it is the place where the archos loader is looking for it 11.36.38 # Does the BOOTFILE #define not include the path? 11.36.47 # no 11.37.04 # easy to fix in misc.c at the bottom 11.37.31 # iirc, the .rockbox location is pretty hardcoded 11.38.16 # Yes, for targets where we always run our own bootloader in order to load rockbox 11.38.35 Quit nebudk () 11.39.27 # best to add the rockboxdir macro to the config files 11.40.46 Join Moos [0] (i=Moos@m135.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 11.44.01 Quit lalu ("leaving") 11.48.35 Quit ender` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.48.51 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@84.255.206.8) 11.48.55 Quit himitsu (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.49.07 Join liberty_ [0] (n=liberty@218.104.71.166) 11.50.51 # I think the power on button is too sensitive in my iaudio M5, will the rockbox power on my M5 only when holding the switch for a while,just like the original firmware? 11.51.01 Quit crwl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.57.03 # Woo! A simple structure rearrangement saves 284 bytes in the WPS parser 11.57.10 # (on coldfire) 11.57.34 # good ol' structure padding 11.58.13 # petur: Rather call that FIRMWARE_DIR. ROCKBOX_DIR would always be .rockbox 11.59.02 # if you want me to do it, it 'll be tonight (maybe) 12.06.28 # woah... this change saves 1008 bytes on recorder builds 12.06.57 # will default WPS be converted to use new system? 12.07.17 Join himitsu [0] (n=himitsu@203.205.119.189) 12.07.43 # when i change font WPS become broken 12.09.19 Join amigan [0] (i=dcp1990@unaffiliated/amigan) 12.09.38 # safetydan: moving the byte after the char[3] ? 12.10.47 Quit juxtap (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 12.12.07 # JdGordon: moving the enum first in struct wps_tag 12.12.30 # should result in a structure with a nice 4/4/4 allocation 12.12.49 # ah yes, same thing :) 12.13.05 Join inversions [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 12.13.58 # pretty much, but I think this way makes slightly more sense 12.14.00 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.14.07 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B95B81.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.14.21 # safetydan: The rearrangement saves 284 bytes of code? 12.14.31 # linuxstb: yup 12.16.08 Part tremby 12.17.07 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 12.21.49 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57a97c98.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.22.37 # so not all of the build boxes are using the same version of the arm compiler? 12.25.02 # they should all be 4.0.3 for arm... 12.25.10 # 0.2 doesnt compile... 12.25.47 Quit darkless ("Leaving") 12.27.19 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@avc146.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 12.27.59 Join crop [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-745b21565ae4ada5) 12.28.06 # * Genre9mp3 scratches head... 12.28.14 # markun: around? 12.28.24 # safetydan: I have some thoughts about the wps tokenizer which would reduce binara size, improve readability and (I think) performance. Like to discuss? 12.28.41 Join crwl [0] (n=crawlie@a88-114-143-95.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 12.29.25 # crop: go ahead, though I'm not the only (or even the best) qualified to talk about it 12.29.39 Quit crop (Client Quit) 12.29.40 # JdGordon: just noticing that the arm binary size goes up and down by 12 bytes depending on what box builds it 12.30.03 # Any of the Gigabeat users: Which bootloader is the right file? FWIMG01.DAT or FWIMG01.DAT-2007-01-14 ? (from http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/gigabeat/) 12.30.20 # hrrm... that shouldn't have got larger on recorder builds... 12.30.22 Join crop [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a988024c59f1a09f) 12.30.34 # safetydan: I'll be back in 15 mins, sorry 12.30.36 Quit crop (Client Quit) 12.31.03 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 12.33.48 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12.33.56 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 12.39.11 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.39.21 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57b970a7.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.40.11 # nevermind... I just forgot to unmount my Gigabeat... all good now! :) 12.44.08 # safetydan: the recorder ones are compressed.. so dont worry about the red there 12.44.36 # JdGordon: yeah I was also looking at the wrong build file when I said I thought it saved 1000 bytes there :) 12.44.39 Quit jaebird (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.44.44 # haha :) 12.44.55 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ppp98-56.adsl.forthnet.gr) 12.49.20 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.49.43 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57b970a7.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.49.55 Quit liberty_ ("Leaving") 12.50.10 Join jaebird [0] (n=jae@53-89.netblk-69-41-89.coolaccess.net) 12.51.09 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.51.29 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57b970a7.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.57.18 Join voltagex_ [0] (n=voltagex@124-254-124-5-dsl.ispone.net.au) 12.57.19 Quit voltagex (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.57.43 # JdGordon: has the playlist catalog menu been converted to the new system? 12.57.55 # no 12.58.03 # ah 12.59.24 Join crop [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-616c01bfcb86aed7) 12.59.36 # playlist catalog has a menu? 12.59.51 # safetydan: here? 13.04.02 # I'd reorganise the wps_data struct. 13.04.24 # 1. make progress_xxx vars unsigned 13.05.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.05.15 # 2. intriduce struct subline with the fields start_token_idx, possibly num_tokens, line_type, and time_mult 13.06.04 # Introduce struct line with the fields start_subline_idx, possibly num_sublines, subl_expire_time, and curr_subline 13.07.12 # The idea is that all sublines are stored in one array and the fields point to that array. Now it's assumed that each line can have up to 12 sublines which is rarely the case I'd argue and this wastes space 13.07.20 Join ctaf [0] (n=ctaf@ram94-6-82-242-23-70.fbx.proxad.net) 13.07.43 # Tokens are already stored this way. 13.08.07 # Structuring the data into structures would also make the code more readable IMHO 13.09.08 Join Jon-Kha [0] (n=Jon-kha@a91-152-66-39.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 13.10.09 # And one more thing: why do we need tokens for NOP and EOL? Why not just store the tokens that belong to the subline? In my proposal, start_subline_idx would say where the subline starts (index in the tokens array). The num_tokens isn't strictly needed since a subline ends where the next begins. The same idea applies to lines. 13.10.58 # This would simplify the drawing code since you have clear bounds and don't have to watch out if we've reached EOL. This should be done at parsing time IMHO 13.11.15 # Now I'd better stop or I'll be kicked :-) 13.11.22 Quit jaebird (Connection timed out) 13.12.37 # safetydan: One thing is the padding. Another thing that helps especially on SH1 is putting the most frequently accessed members first (in the order bytes -> words->longwords), because SH asm can encode small offsets directly within the instruction 13.13.07 # (up to +15 for bytes, +30 for words and +60 for longwords) 13.13.14 # MAX_SUBLINES could be defined as MAX_LINES * 2 (or *3). This will be less space and at the same time allow for more that 12 sublines per line (if needed) 13.17.37 # why some menus have inverted colours? 13.18.03 # Now it's a paint to see 2-dimensional arrays everywhere 13.18.08 # *pain 13.19.00 # Genre9mp3: which menus have inverted colours? 13.20.01 Join scopeboy [0] (n=SteveCon@62.254.183.82) 13.20.37 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 13.22.13 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.22.25 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57b977a8.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.23.01 # Any rockbox developers around? 13.23.10 # a few 13.23.20 # yay 13.23.47 # You guys rule, I have an iriver h120 and you actually made it work the way it was supposed to 13.26.23 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@84.150.69.176) 13.26.38 # I bought it for the recording features, but the iriver firmware screwed them up 13.28.45 Quit petur ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 13.28.58 Quit Moos ("Glory to Rockbox") 13.29.09 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 13.29.59 # JdGordon: hmm... strange, now the menus are fine...I'm trying to reproduce it though 13.32.09 # JdGordon: Aha...It seems it's the mpegplayer's fault 13.32.30 # oh good :) 13.32.37 # try to play a video, enter the mpegplayer menu and then quit mpegplayer 13.32.53 # after that some menus (eg. Rockbox info) have inverted colours 13.33.42 # and some plugins, too (eg. Calculator) 13.36.18 # Are you using a Gigabeat? 13.36.35 # linuxstb: yes :) 13.36.47 # It's a known problem according to markun. 13.36.58 # Is that a known issue just for Gigabeat? 13.37.01 # AFAIK, it's specific to the gigabeat. 13.37.08 # ah...strange 13.37.46 # hehe...as you understand I'm having some fun here with my new toy :) 13.37.59 # OK, im conviced... we cant use a ring buffer with MoB in an efficient manner :p 13.39.26 # AFAIK, the intention for MoB is to have one static buffer where the metadata for the current track is copied to. (or maybe two - for the next track info). The metadata is copied from the audio buffer to the static buffer when the track becomes current. 13.39.28 # and a linked list wouldnt work, because eventually we will have very ragmented memory which is obviously bad (TM) 13.39.53 # but then there is still the penalty for people who dont use it 13.40.13 # Yes, but only 2*penalty, not 32*penalty. 13.40.17 # is there such a thing as a ring buffer with static sections? 13.40.41 # 3*penalty.... prev, current, next 13.40.54 # And the size of the metadata buffers could be semi-dynamic - i.e. allocated from the audio buffer. 13.41.04 # Why do you need prev? 13.41.26 # why not? :p but hmm.. guess so 13.41.42 # current/next are needed for the WPS. 13.42.21 # I'm tihnking also for further down the track when we load lyrics into the MoB for tracks, as well as id3 and AA... 13.42.27 # But maybe the "next" buffer doesn't need to be as big as current. e.g. do we want to display "next album art" ? 13.42.29 # what sort of size limit do we use? 13.43.29 # I don't think lyrics will be as big as album art. 13.43.52 # probably not... but what if a track has both? 13.44.20 # I'm just saying that the fixed-sized buffer needed for lyrics won't be huge. 13.44.31 # There will obviously be separate buffers for AA and lyrics. 13.47.00 # hmm... actually only 1 buffer is needed, the next track is in the buffer and not in danger of being removed, so only the current tracks data needs storing statically 13.47.11 # No, the next track may not be in the buffer. 13.47.38 # But the metadata is still read (on swcodec at least) in order to display it in the wps. 13.47.39 # then nothing from that trck is, and you get the current "Next" behaviour, which is fine 13.48.25 # crop: sorry, away watching TV. Those are all good ideas. A patch is always welcome :) 13.49.51 # crop: Why are 2-dimensional arrays a pain? 13.54.09 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp254-142.adsl.forthnet.gr) 13.55.09 Quit safetydan (Remote closed the connection) 13.57.16 # amiconn: hard to read, hard to write, use more space than needed 13.58.12 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.58.37 # safetydan: I thought the code is heavy worked on so that every patch will be obsolete in the moment it's created. 13.58.38 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57b977a8.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.59.51 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.00.19 # currently, who decides how much data to put on the buffer? the playback engine copies as much of a file as it can? or it does it in chunks? 14.02.22 Join iwantanimac [0] (n=iwantani@124-168-71-37.dyn.iinet.net.au) 14.04.33 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 14.04.48 Quit scopeboy ("Leaving") 14.08.37 # amiconn: I like arrays (it's the most universal data structure in the world) but not this way 14.10.34 # JdGordon: I'm not sure what you mean. The playback engine fills the buffer with as much data as it can, waits for it to drop to the low watermark point, then fills it again.... 14.10.59 # does it just read data in from the file? or does it mangle it first? 14.11.36 # I tihnk a ring buffer could work with 1 section being marked as unwritable... if we can put a tiny header on each section 14.11.54 Quit kubiix (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.11.56 # then we would need no static buffers 14.15.53 Join safi [0] (i=507e1d02@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f928a09792f4f54d) 14.16.13 # any tech guru's willing to help a n00b? :) 14.17.11 Quit safi (Client Quit) 14.17.19 Join safi1 [0] (i=507e1d02@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3864dfbaeaa13bc0) 14.17.26 # ? 14.18.08 # safi1, what do you need help with? 14.18.08 # safi1: just ask and if someone knows the answer you'll get it 14.18.33 # Don't ask to ask, just ask 14.19.41 Quit inversions (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.20.20 # datachild: He's forgotten waht he wanted to ask :-) 14.20.28 # ;) 14.20.48 # Or maybe that _was_ the question 14.21.39 # JdGordon: What do you mean by "unwritable" ? What would happen when the playback engine reaches that point and needs to rebuffer? 14.22.19 # it would write up to that point, then skip it and continue writing after it... it would eventually recoup the section when its not imporant anymore 14.22.39 # the only way it would work is if a small header is put on each memory block 14.25.08 # OK, I understand what you mean. The problem with that is that the codecs expect data to be in contiguous blocks, not with holes in the middle... And we want to make even more use of that feature, not less. 14.26.17 Quit merbanan (Remote closed the connection) 14.26.38 # blocks of what size? 14.27.05 # Currently it's 32KB, but we want to be able to give non-streaming codecs much large contiguous blocks - i.e. the whole file. 14.27.37 # if the provide the buffer we could copy as much data as they want into it 14.28.04 # We don't want to copy data from the audio buffer - the codecs decode it directly. 14.29.52 # We could use the same technique as is used for the buffer wraparound point (there is a "guard buffer" where the playback engine copies data into) when we reach these "holes", which would work for the current codecs, but not when full support for non-streaming codecs is added. 14.31.37 # could we use something like char* get_next_block(int* size); which gives the codec the pointer to the block it needs and let the codec read up to size then call it again to get the next bit? 14.32.01 Join safi [0] (n=SanderF@a80-126-29-2.adsl.xs4all.nl) 14.32.21 # i need some assistance :P 14.32.26 # anyone? 14.32.33 # no one 14.32.35 # with only a 512kb codec buffer and a 512k pcm buffer, they cant proccess the whole file in one hit anyway 14.32.36 # lol 14.32.39 # why won't you just ask? 14.32.43 # ok 14.32.54 # im trying to get rockbox on my 1st gen nano 14.32.59 # patched the bootloader 14.33.04 # have the .rockbox folder 14.33.09 # great 14.33.10 # copied the fonts 14.33.13 # it wont boot 14.33.21 # and do you have rockbox.ipod? 14.33.24 # and please, write just one line 14.33.53 # yeah, it says cant load rockbox.ipod Bad checksum 14.34.10 # i searched the forums... copied fresh installations couple of times 14.34.20 # but do you have rockbox.ipod in the root of your ipod 14.34.26 # no 14.34.31 # then copy it to there 14.34.37 # from .rockbox 14.34.42 # should work from .rockbox too 14.34.46 # ;o 14.34.48 # i have nano 14.34.57 # doesn't work with my video, because of loader 2 14.35.13 Quit crop ("CGI:IRC") 14.35.14 # JdGordon: No, but they need access to the whole file in order to decode anything. 14.35.20 # with rockbox bootloader you can put rockbox.ipod in .rockbox/ 14.35.25 # yeah 14.36.02 # mmm 14.36.02 # * Stalwart gotta run, can't help now ;[ 14.36.03 # Or just change your loader2 config file to look for rockbox.ipod in .rockbox/ 14.36.03 # same problem 14.36.07 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 14.36.07 # bad checksum 14.36.44 # safi: "bad checksum" normally means you've installed the wrong .ipod file - i.e. one for a different model of ipod. 14.36.57 # linuxstb: what happens now when the file is too large for the buffer? the codec doest have the whole file to play with.... 14.37.07 # safi: Either that, or the file is corrupted 14.37.21 # i checked that, downloaded an reinstalled a couple of time 14.37.22 # s 14.37.26 # no worky :( 14.37.28 # JdGordon: Currently those files can't be played. I think that's the reason the mod codec is still on flyspray, and not in SVN. 14.38.07 # I guess hwcodec works fine by streaming smaller sections of the file to the mas then? 14.38.35 # Yes, the mas just needs a bitstream - no problems. 14.38.51 # But that's only mpeg audio - swcodec has to support many different formats 14.39.36 # But I think it's generally agreed that having to handle holes in the audio buffer is an unwanted complication. 14.39.53 # singular... onl ever one hole 14.39.56 # only* 14.42.12 Quit safi ("Ik ga weg") 14.42.18 # the codec only really needs the file metadata right? not all the audio between the start and "now" ? 14.43.37 # I'm not sure what you mean. 14.43.47 Quit SirFunk (Connection timed out) 14.44.40 # why does the codec need the whole file to do any decoding? 14.44.56 Quit safi1 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 14.45.23 # Because it does... For example the MOD codec has tables of samples and requires random-access to them in order to create music. 14.46.10 # "streaming" codecs like MPEG audio (and most of the formats swcodec currently supports) are not like that, and data is consumed a frame at a time from the input file. 14.46.20 # but thats not the _whole_ file... it might only be a few hundred kb that it needs to keep in memory? 14.46.53 # Please believe me - some codec formats require random access to the entire file. 14.47.10 # ok 14.47.39 # This is something not currently handled in the playback engine, but is desired. 14.47.44 # so fine, as long as the whole file fits in the aviable area of the ring it should be fine 14.48.55 # in general though.. the codecs would be happy to call a function to get the next section of data and not care about its actual size? 14.50.50 # JdGordon: only streaming codecs 14.51.19 # BTW: please don't forget midi when designing MOB (i.e. allow the loading of a patch set) 14.52.46 # JdGordon: Having even a single hole in the audio buffer would make the largest available contiguous space unpredictable - meaning that sometimes large files will work, and sometimes they won't... 14.53.48 # yep, but worse case is that you would have to wait for the buffer to be fully empty before loading that file 14.54.11 # as apposed to possibly never beign able to load it because the static MoB buffer is using too much ram which you never use :p 14.58.50 Quit GodEater_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.03.52 # * amiconn thinks integrating midi in the playback engine will be a pita, if not impossible at all 15.04.53 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@38.98.196.75) 15.05.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.05.49 # :( 15.06.51 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.07.13 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57b9754b.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.10.18 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.10.38 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57b9754b.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.11.31 # Is there a patchset for 16MB targets, btw? 15.11.47 # The 27MB one won't fit obviously... 15.12.36 Join jaebird [0] (n=jae@53-89.netblk-69-41-89.coolaccess.net) 15.13.11 # amiconn: I read in the forums that someone had found a smaller one, but it still didn't work on the iaudio 15.14.21 # amiconn: it may be possible to only load the patches that are actually used in the midi file, but that requires even more fiddling 15.16.59 # That brings us back to the idea of having codec-specific loading functions which can be called by the playback engine when buffering. 15.21.36 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@admin-147-222.potsdam.edu) 15.24.31 # well.. my idea has hit a brick wall :p how does it know when it has read the important bit and to not write to it again ? :'( 15.25.11 Quit Jon-Kha (Client Quit) 15.28.28 Quit PaulJam (".") 15.28.53 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.31.21 # I would like some people to try and decode movies with non 16x16 frame sizes. Tested mplayer and ffmpeg already myself. 15.32.56 # You mean encode? 15.33.50 # yes, sorry :) 15.34.14 Join Jon-Kha [0] (n=Jon-kha@a91-152-66-39.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 15.36.21 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 15.37.45 # nice commit from safetydan ! 15.38.46 Quit Jon-Kha (Client Quit) 15.39.37 # im right in saying that 6975 can be done using tagnavi.config right? 15.40.33 # linuxstb: Would it be possible to allow 320x240 targets play 352pixel width videos? (ignoring the side blocks) 15.40.48 # hey JdGordon 15.40.52 # still need that cd? 15.41.02 # na, got it working 15.41.09 # Genre9mp3: they already can 15.41.22 # or doesn't your video play on your Gigabeat? 15.41.39 # markun: I just tried one and it didn't play 15.41.49 # what happened? 15.42.19 # tried to start but the returned on file browser 15.43.14 # markun, btw I'm completely impressed by the Gigabeat :) 15.44.05 Join crop [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d703656e2ec6eccd) 15.44.24 # good to hear man 15.44.44 # did you try the OF? 15.44.59 # Nico_P: any comments to today's posts starting at 13:04? 15.45.07 # markun: for about 5 min 15.45.29 # crop: on this channel ? 15.45.40 # Nico_P: yes 15.45.48 # crop: which time is it now? 15.45.52 # crop: I'll go read them :) 15.46.15 # Genre9mp3: It works fine for me - I can play a 352x240 VCD. 15.47.22 # hmm... I just managed to play one, too 15.47.28 # I synchronise to the time used in the channel log. There's no other time! This way we have a chance to communicate unambigously 15.47.31 # 3 others didn't work though 15.47.41 Quit midgey () 15.47.43 # crop: by "token for NOP" i assume you're referring to WPS_NO_TOKEN ? 15.47.53 # Nico_P: yes. 15.48.14 # this one isn't stored. It's only used to make some tags not be stored as tokens 15.48.19 # Genre9mp3: It may be an (internal libmpeg2) buffering issue. Can you try and play one of your files in the ipod video sim? (the gigabeat sim doesn't rotate the videos, so isn't a good test for 320x240 output). 15.48.32 # (e.g. the image prelod tag, xl) 15.48.49 # Genre9mp3: The sim should hopefully display some debugging output which would be useful to see. Or alternatively, if you want to give me one of your files, I'll investigate. 15.49.07 # linuxstb: yesterday the audio stopped to playback after maybe 1 hour into the video, didn't investigate it any further yet but just to let you know. 15.49.23 # What about EOL? If I've understood the code correctly it's used as a line delimiter 15.49.23 # crop: the rest sounds good to me 15.49.31 # linuxstb: sure 15.49.32 # crop: yes 15.49.44 # Hmm... I've only tried a video which is about 60 minutes long. Maybe there's an overflow somewhere... 15.50.04 # Nico_P: will you try that then? 15.50.06 # Genre9mp3: Sure to which option - giving me the file, or testing yourself in the sim? 15.50.16 # crop: sure, I'll look into it 15.50.29 # A general question: what value is used for the build size table? The size of the rockbox.xxx file? 15.50.32 # linuxstb: hard to debug if you have to wait an hour for the result :) 15.51.06 # markun: Yep... Or maybe just a review of the code would be a better approach... 15.51.13 # yes 15.51.25 # crop: yes 15.51.31 # Nico_P: and I'd comment the typedef for the token parsing function: what the param means and what it should return. 15.51.36 # linuxstb: 352x288 should play as well, right? 15.51.42 # Although I'm not touching those parts of mpegplayer until jhMikeS commits his work. 15.51.55 # crop: very true 15.52.03 # Genre9mp3: Maybe, but that would need bigger internal buffers - the extra 48 rows may be enough to stop the file working. 15.52.25 # Nico_P: btw, one more thing confused me. In all the functions, there's a char* param named wps_token. it's confusing since it's not a token (ot type wps_token). 15.52.55 # Genre9mp3: You could try increasing the size of the buffer given to libmpeg2's internal mallocs - LIBMPEG2_BUFFER_SIZE defined in mpegplayer.c 15.53.00 # linuxstb: The one that played was 352x272, the others that did not were 352x288 15.53.13 # crop: I know it's not very clear... Actually I wasn't the one who found that name :) I should've changed it but got used to it 15.53.14 # (increase it from 2MB to, for example 3MB, just as a test) 15.53.20 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.53.37 # Genre9mp3: OK, that makes sense. My test was 352x240, which was also fine. 15.53.47 Join Xerion [0] (i=xerion@vhe-382201.sshn.net) 15.53.54 Quit jmsbwtr_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.54.01 # Nico_P: for an uninitiated it's a challenge to read! :-) 15.54.04 # linuxstb: Ok, I would like to experiment but not now, I have limited time... maybe you still want the file, though? 15.54.29 # crop: wouls "wps_buffer" be better ? 15.54.31 # It's OK - I'll find myself some files with those resolutions and see what happens. 15.54.37 # ok 15.56.11 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@unaffiliated/funky) 15.56.31 # seen as the playlist viewer needs the plugin buffer anyway, would it be ok to move it to a rock? 15.56.35 # Nico_P: wps_read? wps_char? But wps_token is very confusing. Those two names are not very good but still better IMHO. If I'll come up with something better I'll et you know 15.57.01 # crop: wps_buffer ? like in wps_parse() 15.57.29 # Nico_P: is it the buffer? Or the current reading pos? 15.57.50 # it's the reading pos 15.58.12 # hmm. Isn't FS#6974 a tagging issue? 15.59.01 # crop: I think I'll go with wps_char 15.59.09 # Nico_P: hrm... I don't know. wps_buffer would be ok as well. But please: not wps_token :-) 15.59.47 # Nico_P: or even wps_src_char? 16.00.22 # I think I prefer wps_buffer. Because it's still a buffer even though it's not pointing to the start of that buffer 16.01.50 Join jac0b [0] (n=jac0b@gifn3.fpl.com) 16.01.58 # Yes, that was also my thought. For the parsing func it _is_ the buffer. 16.02.33 # It's handed the appropriate buffer so to speak 16.02.50 # yes 16.03.07 # Nico_P: Maybe something like wps_bufptr - that indicates to me that it's a pointer into a buffer. 16.03.58 # linuxstb: I like it ! 16.04.23 Quit idnar (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 16.04.54 Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.") 16.06.00 # linuxstb: I like it too! But OTOH if I have a buffer I'd name it just buffer or buf but not bufptr -- even if it's of type char* 16.06.05 Join idnar [0] (n=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 16.06.21 # But my main concern was wps_token. All the names proposed are better 16.06.58 # I'm going for wps_bufptr. I'm committing it with the fix for the latest forum post 16.08.51 # noone minds me moving those hidden playlist viewer settings into the settings menu do they? 16.11.07 # JdGordon: I'm for it! Then we can remap the menu button so that it calls the main menu and not the playlist context menu 16.11.26 # yep 16.12.36 Join JavaMan22 [0] (n=HP_Admin@c-24-61-91-138.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) 16.13.40 Join Jon-Kha [0] (n=Jon-kha@a91-152-66-39.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 16.14.43 Quit Jon-Kha (Client Quit) 16.15.14 Quit ze (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.15.17 # Why should the playlist viewer not have a context menu? 16.16.01 # because the only this its used for is the settings, and the save playlist option. the settings shouldnt be there imo and the save option... well that can stay or be moved... 16.16.53 # the recording screen also can directly access the recording settings 16.17.15 Quit bawb2 (Remote closed the connection) 16.17.24 # :D many updates today :) 16.17.30 # the settings should be reachable from the main menu, but I don't see a reason why it's wrong to have access to the playlist settings via a context menu too. 16.17.52 # snow snow snow day :D 16.17.58 # Speaking of settings, in a very vaguely similar context: 16.18.08 # Any reason the Quick Menu isn't accessible from the Main Menu? 16.18.29 # no real code-limitation reason... 16.18.49 # except does it really make sense? 16.19.23 # I'm not really sure 16.19.41 Join perl|work [0] (n=jacquesc@static-64-61-105-170.isp.broadviewnet.net) 16.19.46 # But I keep finding myself trying to use it from there 16.20.58 # I do too. 16.22.27 # bluebrother: it can be kept in the context menu but pressing MENU should call up the main menu 16.23.21 # crop: right. It's not that I'm completely against removing it from the context menu, but I don't see a reason why it's wrong being able accessing it that way 16.24.04 # Nico_P: will you also try to implement other proposals? Or should I try? To be honest, I'd prefer if you did it 16.24.13 # crop: I'll try 16.24.27 # not just now but I'll look into it 16.24.57 # Why about my size question (see above)? 16.25.00 Join vertic23 [0] (i=bla@dslb-084-057-236-212.pools.arcor-ip.net) 16.25.02 Nick vertic23 is now known as kernel-i386 (i=bla@dslb-084-057-236-212.pools.arcor-ip.net) 16.25.11 # hey 16.25.13 # crop: I'd thought about making the progress_* vars unsigned but progress_top can be -1 if it's not set. But the others could be unsigned 16.25.19 # kernel-i386: hi 16.25.32 # any iaudio X5 users here? 16.26.05 # crop: which size question ? 16.26.18 Join mr_pink [0] (n=mfsoab99@host81-152-159-240.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) 16.27.14 # I'd like to know when videos will be fully supported on X5(V) 16.27.18 # Nico_P: what's considered as the build size (and used in the delta table on the build page)? The size of the rockbox.xxx file? 16.27.31 # or is there already an improvement? 16.27.39 # crop: ah, I answered that. yes 16.27.42 # kernel-i386: don't ask about release dates. We won't estimate any. 16.27.43 # kernel-i386: mpegplayer is currently in active development... 16.28.02 # kernel-i386: When did you last update Rockbox? 16.28.03 # okay fine 16.28.05 # but if you follow the svn logs you'll find that there were some improvements recently 16.28.06 # ehm... 16.28.15 # actually I don't try to watch videos 16.28.22 # ...because I know it's not done yet 16.28.27 # I wait until then 16.28.28 # crop: rockbox. for the targets where we have to use our own bootloader, and the of-bootloader imposed name for the others 16.28.35 # if you say it's not finished - I'll wait 16.28.36 # kernel-i386: Read the PluginMpegplayer page for the current status. 16.28.47 # kernel-i386: we have a demo video (elephants dream) available for download 16.28.51 # 2.5 fps faster then i read thats its only for gigabeat >:o 16.29.04 # okay - so "should" I try it? 16.29.05 # as mpegplayer is part of the regular builds you can simply try it out using that 16.29.21 # depends on you -- it might be worth a try. 16.29.22 # ...so I mean - if you tell me it's not "working" yet - should I try? 16.29.29 # ..well ok 16.29.30 # kernel-i386: Read the PluginMpegplayer page for the current status. 16.29.33 # hehe 16.29.35 # where to find? 16.29.37 # try it silly boy! 16.29.41 # hehe 16.29.42 # But that size depends on the compiler version, right? So if I create a patch and want to see how it changes the bin size I have first to do a clean build and then the build with the patch, right? 16.29.48 # what do you mean by "not working"? It does something, so it works in some way 16.30.00 # but of course it depends on what you expect 16.30.12 # kernel-i386: the wiki? ;-) 16.30.16 # crop: Just use the recommended compiler versions 16.30.29 # ...hehe - well - my last info was that sound was not working or sumthing ;P 16.30.40 # so I'll try it now - if you tell me to :P 16.30.41 # sound has been added. 16.30.42 # That is, gcc 4.0.3 (rockbox patched) for arm and sh1, and gcc 3.4.6 for coldfire 16.30.44 # weee 16.30.45 # :D 16.30.54 # to say it the other way round: 16.31.08 # the less people trying mpegplayer the slower bugs get discovered. 16.31.15 # ok 16.31.17 # I'm sorry 16.31.24 # doesn't imply anything on how fast they will be fixed though. 16.31.25 # I didn't you needed me 16.31.30 # amiconn: last time I tried to update the compilers (via cygwin install) from the rockbox site it didn't work. I couldn't find the packages 16.31.31 # I watch porn on my mp3 player in future 16.31.40 Join Jon-Kha [0] (n=Jon-kha@a91-152-66-39.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 16.31.52 Quit aliask (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.32.25 # silly boy! 16.45.22 Part Llorean 16.47.42 Quit jac0b ("ChatZilla 0.9.78 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 16.48.11 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 16.48.46 # hmm, I have a question about a .wps 16.48.55 # 1st how can I see which my current theme is? 16.49.02 # or more.. find out 16.49.43 Quit crop ("see you later") 16.50.53 # kernel-i386: maybe look in your config.cfg file 16.51.04 Quit Guile (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16.51.17 Quit iwantanimac ("iMac, out.") 16.59.19 Join raphi [0] (n=Raphi@pub082136068191.dh-hfc.datazug.ch) 17.02.59 # hmm ok - I know that the theme name is zezeyer - but there is one thing I'm not comfortable with there... it has a layout like this: * --- Artist --- - but sometimes the name is too long - but it doesn't scroll - is it maybe an easy thing to make it scroll? 17.03.24 # yeh read the wiki for WPS 17.05.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.05.50 Part ctaf 17.07.46 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-075-177-158-190.nc.res.rr.com) 17.07.52 # btw ...dudes 17.08.00 # I really don't know how to use the wiki search 17.08.04 # can't it be easier?! 17.08.22 # NOTE: This Wiki topic does not exist yet <-- always stuff like this.... 17.08.37 Quit voltagex_ () 17.09.45 # I love you devs ...but please let's all get some money for some new webdesign ;P 17.09.54 # and... structure 17.10.01 # it's horrible (for newbies) 17.10.14 # and... even me - I am "almost" familiar with the site 17.10.41 # hehe 17.12.01 # so ...some hints for me to find at least "something" ...? (e.g. that wiki for WPS) - how do I get there the fastes way 17.12.19 # Flyspray cannot provide the page you requested. Perhaps you requested a task that does not exist, or you do not have permission to view the page you wanted. 17.12.24 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS 17.12.26 # other search does this... WTF?! 17.12.27 # :-D 17.12.29 # I mean... 17.12.40 # just ...ahhh put that search away 17.13.03 # thank you raphi 17.14.22 # have you got a fully customized skin? 17.14.28 # or at least a bit ^^ 17.14.36 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57b97d6c.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.14.38 # I mean... there is no "perfect" skin 17.14.39 # no, but there are a lot of examples..... 17.14.43 # yeah 17.14.43 # hold on.... 17.14.57 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery 17.15.04 # I found it :-D 17.15.10 # Why are people so crazy about the looks of the player.. 17.15.15 # markun? 17.15.29 # it's just... ehm... I want it to look not as shitty as yours :P 17.15.38 # sorry for the shitty -laugh- 17.15.56 # kernel-i386: why not? 17.16.10 # because ...it COULD have style for example 17.16.19 # and it's just beautiful AND informative 17.16.31 # looks 1337 and stuff, ya know ;) 17.16.33 # kernel-i386: you need to use the search box on the wiki, not the "go to" box 17.16.54 # and for the zezayer issue ... you can make the line scroll, but that will scroll the whole line 17.16.57 # yea where of the 6 search boxes do you mean right now :P 17.17.05 # scrolling a part of the line isn't possible 17.17.10 # I thought so thanks bluebrother 17.17.12 # kernel-i386: check the WPS gallery for style and beauty.. 17.17.14 Quit Ribs ("Ex-Chat") 17.17.28 # maybe I have a weird taste 17.17.30 # ok... that was what I was thinking ...but hehe - I am a total noob without any scripting experience 17.17.35 # but was worth an "ask" 17.17.38 # thanks 17.17.53 # markun: I know ;) 17.17.57 # when I go to the wiki start page (WebHome) I have a link "search". Clicking that results in a page with a box and a button titled "search" 17.18.24 # btw bluebrother: I have the idea that there are not "all" themes on that theme page - how does it come? where did they go? 17.18.40 # what theme page are you referring to? 17.19.03 # http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=160x128x16 17.19.05 # this e.g. 17.19.12 # kernel-i386: btw, maybe you can design a new website? probably more fun than just throwing money at it. 17.19.17 # and what are you missing? 17.19.22 # silk e.g. 17.19.26 # I have it on my player 17.19.31 # and I got it off that page 17.19.42 # afair 17.19.44 # you noticed that the themes are made for a specific resolution? 17.19.52 # hehe 17.20.03 # what do you want to tell me 17.20.04 Join pabs [0] (n=pabs@xor.pablotron.org) 17.20.05 # if a theme hasn't been adjusted to your resolution it's not available. 17.20.07 # yeah I know that 17.20.18 # and what's the problem with "missing" themes? 17.20.22 # so you mean I picked up a theme which is not for my player? 17.20.23 # ^^ 17.20.24 # people put their themes all over 17.20.29 # but I can tell - it "was" ;) 17.20.31 # possibly. 17.20.43 # what was? 17.20.52 # those themes were on "that" page 17.21.07 # then ask the maintainer of that web site. It has an email link somewhere. 17.21.44 # hmm, but now I really need to think of an alternative theme 17.22.29 # do you know whether that "scrolling the whole line" thing can be coded? 17.22.43 # it can. There is a patch, called "scrolling margins" 17.22.43 # ...or if it is already on "a list" 17.22.47 # wow 17.22.54 # so you mean - I just have to update? :P 17.23.02 # or ...is it at all possible 17.23.06 # but it recently broke with the addition of the wps tokenizer 17.23.09 # but only with some manual editing 17.23.17 # what's a tokenizer? 17.23.22 # "patches" refer to source patches 17.23.30 # hmm, ok - I see 17.23.42 # so ...after all - is it possible? 17.23.43 # it's an internal thing on how to parse and store the data that is present in the wps file 17.24.04 # kernel-i386: there are some plans to make the display code more flexible to allow for a nice implementation of partial scrolling 17.24.12 # hmm ah ok... didn't understand all of it - but ok hehe 17.24.14 # it is _possible_, but you need to build Rockbox yourself and adjust the patch (unless someone else does) 17.24.32 # is it like "work" to do that? 17.24.41 # yes. 17.24.43 # kernel-i386: yes, it's some work 17.24.43 # I mean... I can copy some files and type "make" - but that's all 17.24.50 # hehe 17.24.52 # that will not be enough 17.24.53 # ok... hmmm 17.25.00 # but you can wait for someone else to fix it 17.25.07 # you need to setup a complete cross compiler toolchain 17.25.16 # ok, how much money do you guys want ;) 17.25.20 # and then you don't have to do much more than 'copy and make' 17.25.45 # kernel-i386: there will be a devcon soon and beer money is always welcome :) 17.25.46 # cross compiler toolchain ^^ but it's not a weapon, is it? 17.25.55 # hehe 17.26.08 # i want 1,000 17.26.11 # hehehe 17.26.25 # ehehe 17.26.25 # I don't think I can make it (again) so you don't have to pay me 17.26.26 # it's dangerous 17.26.33 # again? 17.26.37 # dangerous? :D 17.26.39 # hehehe 17.26.45 # yes, pretty much 17.26.46 # kernel-i386: wasn't at the last devcon either 17.27.01 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 17.27.12 # well... me as a total noob wouldn't be at the right place - except for paying the beer ;) 17.27.14 # hehe 17.27.14 # looks like flights got quite more expensive the last days, so I might also need to skip devcon : 17.27.22 # :'-( 17.27.32 # yeah ...they get more expensive each day 17.27.47 # hey, it's still like 6 weeks :( 17.27.47 # you always have to book "right now" if you see a cheap flight 17.27.50 # oh... ok 17.27.58 # where do you live? 17.28.01 # and my budget is somewhat limited 17.28.02 # and where is the devcon? 17.28.17 # germany -> stockholm / sweden. 17.28.37 # oh, ...du bist deutscher? 17.28.48 # nein, ich tu nur so :P 17.28.52 # but I guess it's not allowed to speak german -g- 17.28.53 # hehe 17.28.59 # not really ... 17.29.33 # we can always use a private chat for talking german 17.29.51 # * bluebrother wonders if #rockbox-users still exists 17.29.52 # w0rd ;) 17.29.57 # hehehe 17.30.01 # lemme check 17.30.05 # nah 17.30.19 # I guess that'd be the right chan for me ;) 17.30.43 # maybe someone should revive it ... but not me ;) 17.30.45 # je parle le francais 17.30.49 # hehehe 17.30.52 # JavaMan22: non. 17.30.55 # hrhr 17.31.01 # je ne parlais francais 17.31.12 # mais je detest le steak frites 17.31.13 # (how bad was that?) 17.31.27 # hehehe 17.31.30 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.31.36 # bluebrother: looked like passed tense to me 17.31.43 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.164.ptr.us.xo.net) 17.31.44 # oui oui 17.31.50 # and missing "pas" 17.32.04 # nah.. he is advanced speaker - he can leave that out ;) 17.32.16 # oui oui 17.32.33 # I was told it's a bit aristocratic if you leave out the "pas" 17.32.50 # I learned french like 2 years in my first years at elementary school. 17.32.58 # but we never learned writing or such. 17.33.03 # bluebrother: I'm learning it right now :) 17.33.11 # :o 17.33.14 # hehe ...I just can't tell you ...I got like 5 years or so - and I just don't remember anything 17.33.42 # le gouche de pizza, c'est choutte 17.34.15 # is this #rockbox? 17.34.15 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.34.28 # perl|work: #languages-for-beginners 17.34.31 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.164.ptr.us.xo.net) 17.34.35 # >:o 17.35.09 # oh i thought #french-vs-italian-cuisine 17.36.06 # anyway, have a nice evening! I'm off 17.36.47 # later markun 17.37.04 Join jonashn [0] (i=d90a1a7e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-48f885f8f830113b) 17.37.49 # im almost done figuring out java web start 17.40.57 Join Ribs [0] (n=ribs@91.84.8.218) 17.41.20 Nick joshin_ is now known as joshin (n=joshin@unaffiliated/joshin) 17.42.35 Quit bun-bun (Remote closed the connection) 17.46.34 Quit jonashn ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.46.38 Quit mr_pink () 17.48.18 Join bun-bun [0] (n=bun@71-92-215-82.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) 17.48.38 # * Nico_P heears some french 17.55.21 Quit Siltaar (Remote closed the connection) 17.57.07 Quit Jon-Kha (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 17.57.50 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@p549af576.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.14.16 # * pondlife is looking forward to Easter == time off work 18.20.38 Join austriancoder [0] (n=austrian@84.72.243.200) 18.24.16 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 18.26.14 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-111-114.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.27.18 # * linuxstb_ wonders if austriancoder has written a report of visit to AMS yet ;) 18.27.38 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 18.27.39 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 18.28.07 # * austriancoder has written something, but had never time to check photos 18.30.00 # Are the photos important? Could you just add the text? 18.31.37 # I know... its on my todo over the weekend 18.33.33 # Cool. Sorry for hassling you. 18.35.10 # where can i find keymappings for recording? 18.37.23 # In apps/keymaps/keymap-*.h I guess. 18.37.29 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 18.37.52 # oh my god... i am blind 18.38.14 Quit pondlife ("disconnected has pondlife") 18.38.24 Quit wLLm () 18.38.37 # If you're implementing recording for the E200, be aware that the PortalPlayer recording code isn't very well developed. It just about works, and that's all... 18.39.46 Quit ceaser (Remote closed the connection) 18.40.01 Join xhaker [0] (n=xhaker@83-223-190-98.cpe.netmadeira.com) 18.40.11 # thanks for the info... the as3514 code is ready.. now i add keymaps 18.40.20 # Mentors? 18.40.50 Join webguest40 [0] (i=4511a13e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-33b05850db559819) 18.41.00 # xhaker: gsoc mentors? 18.41.13 # yep 18.41.20 # I still think i have a chanve 18.41.25 # chance* 18.41.42 # with my half-baked rushed out application 18.41.49 # which application? 18.42.11 # Mine is about porting to a new device 18.42.30 # called it TMS320-based porting 18.43.25 # and tried to make it interesting/funny since i could not make it complete 18.44.01 # well the application was a bit thin 18.44.23 # Could you have added more information after your initial application? 18.45.59 Quit Ribs (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.46.09 # I was traveling. 18.46.46 # but then i was pushing an update for later since i'm on vacations 18.46.46 # Is it too late now? 18.46.50 # Could I get some help with compiling? make fails with error: no rule to make target '/rockbox-bleeding/build/apps/plugins/mpegplayer/motion_comp_arm_s.o' 18.47.05 # linuxstb, no it isn't. i guess that's why i am here 18.47.22 # because i think i still have a chance :) 18.47.32 Part austriancoder ("Kopete 0.12.4 : http://kopete.kde.org") 18.47.45 # xhaker: I'm not sure how the selection process works - but if google's interface allows you to add more details to your application now, it can't hurt... 18.48.19 # webguest40: I'm guessing you downloaded the source .tar.bz2 file instead of downloading via svn? 18.48.27 # xhaker: I think you have a lot of catching up to do, and selection ends in 5 or 6 days I think 18.48.33 # But from reading on your wiki page, i learned that somebody is doing Zen V:M, and i'd like to do Cowon A2 for example 18.50.15 # webguest40: The source tarball was missing a newly added file - I've just fixed it, so the next current build source will be correct. 18.51.07 # thanks 18.53.17 # where does __PCTOOL__ come from? 18.53.21 Quit webguest40 ("CGI:IRC") 18.54.12 # It's for building the tools/database.c tool - a standalone database builder. 18.54.16 # (Slasheri added it) 18.54.22 # ah ok 18.54.54 Part raphi 18.55.04 # petur: http://predef.sourceforge.net/ might interest you 18.57.02 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=9734.0 18.57.05 # this is weird 18.58.08 # perl|work: All miracles have a logical explanation... 18.58.45 # amen 18.59.25 # bluebrother: should I expect to find PCTOOL on those pages? 19.00.09 # bah, gotta run... bbl 19.00.25 Part xhaker ("Leaving") 19.00.52 # petur: don't know, but that page might have it. 19.04.00 Join Ribs [0] (n=ribs@91.84.8.218) 19.05.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.08.23 Quit linuxstb ("Leaving") 19.15.53 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 19.22.44 Join mick [0] (i=95e13cea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f42ec59493700586) 19.23.20 # How can I find out the version of the compiler under cygwin? I compile for H120. 19.25.13 # m68k-elf-gcc -dumpversion 19.25.18 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 19.25.42 Join inversions [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 19.26.23 # obo: thanks! I get 3.4.5. Is it the oficially recommended version? 19.26.39 # I think it's 3.4.6 now 19.28.31 # Where can I get the new version? I don't remember how I've installed what I have now :-/ 19.28.44 Quit XavierGr () 19.30.49 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 19.32.38 # The CygwinDevelopment wiki page still lists 3.4.5 as the latest available version, I don't know how accurate that is 19.33.14 # if not, you can always use the tools/rockboxdev.sh script to download and compile 3.4.6 19.33.15 # obo: ah. Then I'll stick with it 19.34.51 Part JavaMan22 19.36.01 Quit midgey () 19.36.46 Join MentalDental [0] (i=5204e99d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ca26541c6ba4a3b1) 19.37.17 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 19.37.51 # Hey all 19.38.43 Quit mick ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 19.38.51 Join linuxstb [0] (i=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 19.42.28 # I was hoping for a bit of help on themes, WPSs and the like. 19.42.37 # I really don't understand the whole concept. 19.42.51 # I think I've pretty much figured out the basic coding of a WPS. 19.43.03 # But I don't understand how you would change images, etc. 19.43.16 # Or about positioning things on screen. 19.43.44 # And there are still a few codes I don't quite grasp. 19.44.00 # If anyone's willing to give me a little help, I'd be more than grateful. 19.44.36 # check some existing themes 19.44.49 # the wps is line based. You can only position bitmaps using coordinates 19.45.16 # So when I'm positioning an image, it's pretty much trial and error, right? 19.45.52 # sort of. 19.45.59 # You could draw all the text first, then take a screendump, then use that to position the images. 19.46.09 # That sounds pretty good. 19.46.15 # but it isn't too much of a deal when using the simulator 19.46.30 # Yea, I'm just downloading that now. 19.46.44 # And one more thing I'm struggling with. 19.47.01 # When you're putting in an image, where abouts would you need to put it? 19.47.05 # As in the file. 19.47.22 # In the same directory as the WPS? Or in a seperate 'images' folder? 19.47.41 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@24-117-195-16.cpe.cableone.net) 19.47.52 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 19.48.01 # the images have to be in a subfolder with the same basename as the wps 19.48.03 Part kaaloo 19.48.13 # i.e. if your wps file is foobar.wps the folder will be foobar 19.48.34 # Ah, I think I understand. 19.48.51 # Thanks a lot. I'm sure I'll be back soon enough, but that's pretty much me done for now. 19.49.13 # amiconn: which archos load the bootfile from the root (iso from the .rockbox dir)? 19.49.14 # As bluebrother said, looking at some existing themes will help. 19.49.33 # petur: AFAIK, they all do. 19.49.47 # hmmm ok 19.50.03 # (but you may want to wait for a definitive answer) 19.50.29 # they all do yes 19.50.31 Join Soul-Slayer [0] (n=Jonno@84.13.145.72) 19.51.12 # Does anyone know if RoLo is enabled on the H10? 19.51.43 # Bagder: Hmm, as you are a perl expert: I hacked buildzip.pl a few days ago in order to allow xyz..wps with no images 19.52.10 Quit inversions (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.52.12 # However, the script still includes the sub-dir even if it doesn't contain anything. Do you know a quick solution? 19.52.23 # Soul-Slayer: It should be, but I think someone reported some problems with it recently 19.52.49 # Ok. 19.53.07 # amiconn: I'll have to investigate 19.55.02 Quit Alonea ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/0000000000]") 19.55.34 # amiconn: The first hack that comes to mind is to just do an "rmdir dirname" - it will fail if it's not empty. 20.00.12 Join Tuna [0] (n=tuna@ip68-230-120-102.ph.ph.cox.net) 20.00.22 # hello 20.00.43 Join bawb2 [0] (n=bawb2@ip51051.estcmp.ku.edu) 20.01.02 # I had a successful rockbox install 20.01.18 # but I'm having trouble booting into the original firmware 20.01.27 # Which target? 20.01.38 Part Domonoky 20.02.17 # I have a 30 gig Video iPod, BTW 20.03.09 # and now it is COMPLETELY out of battery power 20.03.45 # how do I get it into Disk Mode when the battery's dead? 20.04.29 # oh, forget previous question 20.04.54 # What's the trouble with the original firmware? 20.05.21 # I can't boot into it! 20.05.41 # Tuna: Plug your ipod into the charger, and turn the hold switch on and wait. 20.06.06 # Yes I know that, but does it even attempt to boot into it, does it hang, does it error? 20.06.09 # well it's in disk mode now 20.06.15 # plugged into the charger 20.06.18 # it hangs 20.06.44 # I do the reboot, I flip the hold switch, and it hangs 20.06.47 # brb 20.07.18 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 20.09.04 # back 20.09.18 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 20.13.04 # Anyone got any opinions on EZWPS? 20.13.08 # Is it any good? 20.13.21 # Mainly for a learning tool. 20.17.31 # http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/04/05/ipod_malware/ 20.20.04 # petur: That's odd - afaik, IPL doesn't use elf binaries (it uses bflt), so I'm not sure what it's all about... 20.20.29 Part Tuna 20.24.34 Join Guile [0] (n=Guile@84.4.27.131) 20.27.24 Part pixelma 20.28.55 # Guys, I'd just like to say that I think I have this thing figured out now. 20.28.57 # Thanks a lot :). 20.30.49 Join Tired_ [0] (n=chatzill@S010600095b4654ab.gv.shawcable.net) 20.32.10 # Question: I just installed RockBox on my 5.5G iPod, and now it boots directly into RockBox, not the bootloader....did I lose ipodlinux forever? 20.33.06 # It sounds like you installed the Rockbox bootloader - which would have replaced the ipodlinux bootloader. 20.34.04 # if I replace back the ipl bootloader, will it bring back ipl, or would installing rockbox have messed it up? 20.34.39 # i was sorta hoping ipl and rockbox could coexist 20.34.41 # Ok. So I don't have it after all. 20.34.42 # It should bring back ipl - the Rockbox installer shouldn't have deleted anything. 20.35.08 # I'm just not understanding images. 20.35.15 # Tired_: The loader2 bootloader can start Rockbox - see the documentation in the ipodlinux wiki. 20.35.42 # yeah, that's what I thought..i must be doing it wrong 20.35.49 # But make sure you use a recent version of loader2 - the old 2.4 version won't work with Rockbox. 20.35.54 Join nls_web [0] (i=d9d1bcda@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ea186039051b8e65) 20.36.09 # i used the one that works with 5.5G ipods 20.36.26 # the manual install one 20.37.04 # should be pretty recent...i just installed it a week or so ago 20.37.56 # Ah, got it. 20.39.11 # * nls_web is happy the headphone out on his h300 works again after operating on it with a soldering iron :-) 20.40.24 Quit eggy ("") 20.40.34 # i'll bet...there's nothing worse than a many-dollars-costing device that works great except you can't hear it 20.42.07 Join ze [0] (i=ze@cpe-76-175-22-254.socal.res.rr.com) 20.42.50 # Tired_: it sux, quite frankly :-) 20.43.33 # although, when the headphones went on my old rca lyra, it did finally spur me to get the ipod, which is a slight bit better than the 64mb thing i had 20.43.47 # lol, just a touch better ;) 20.52.14 Join lukaswayne9 [0] (n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 20.55.18 # ok...now i'm back to where I was...now to see if I can have my cake and eat it to ;) 21.01.18 # YAY! 21.01.42 # Thanks for the help...everything is playing nicely now, and I didn't actually lose any of my ipl settings :) 21.03.52 # you guys ever think about working with the ipl project on some kind of unified bootloader? seems like the aims and audience are similar... 21.04.46 # although I suppose an ipod bootloader would be useless on the other devices rockbox supports 21.05.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.05.38 Quit _Veseliq_ (Remote closed the connection) 21.09.14 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 21.10.38 # Hmm. Could anyone tell me how to change fonts in the UI Sim? I navigate to the fonts directory, and there's nothing there.I 21.11.03 # I've created one, and tried making a font, but this file shows up, but doesn't alter the font when I apply it. 21.12.15 # the sim should have the fonts. 21.12.26 # they are copied when running "make install" 21.12.59 # Right, so I have to run make install. 21.13.23 # assuming you build the sim yourself 21.13.39 # I'm afraid I got a pre-compiled version. 21.13.51 # the one from rasher's site? 21.14.17 # but they should still have the fonts. 21.15.21 # Yea, the Rasher one. 21.15.41 # I've worked around it by making a fonts directory and copied font files to it now. 21.15.49 # It seems the font that I made myself didn't work. 21.16.55 # ah. So it's a font you created, not the shipped fonts? 21.17.40 # Correct. The shipped fonts didn't show up. 21.17.48 # But when I pasted them to that directory, they worked just fine. 21.18.00 # It seems I converted the font in question incorrectly. 21.18.06 # maybe they are not part of the donwload package. 21.18.36 # Perhaps 21.18.48 # hehe ... rasher's site clearly states that the fonts aren't included. 21.19.33 # if you build the sim yourself it also installs the fonts. Seems that got me confused a bit. 21.19.33 Quit lukaswayne9 ("Ex-Chat") 21.19.44 # Ah, I downloaded using the hotlink from the wiki. 21.20.00 # http://rasher.dk/rockbox/ 21.20.03 # Rather than exploring Rasher's site. Maybe I should do that. 21.20.06 # Cheers 21.21.28 # You wouldn't happen to know where I could get convbdf? 21.23.31 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 21.24.33 # No worries, got it. 21.25.07 Part kaaloo 21.25.52 # usually you get it from the svn tree ;-) 21.26.09 # but I have no idea where to find binaries 21.27.40 Join austriancoder [0] (n=austrian@80.120.117.30) 21.29.52 # It's tough work learning this. But I'm sure it will be worth it. 21.32.10 # why is the battery life so much worse? is it just a matter of finding more efficient ways to code the firmware? 21.33.48 # I think so. 21.34.02 # I think that also, the fact that rockbox has more features? 21.34.05 # Tired_: on ipods? 21.34.22 # it's assumed that it is caused by some missing hardware initialization. 21.34.27 # yeah 21.34.46 # this was the case for iriver h300 -- the usb otg chip wasn't initialized properly and drained quite some power 21.34.59 # but nobody figured out what exactly is causing the issue 21.35.03 # i just ran my battery down to 50% adjusting the settings :/ 21.35.31 # wasn't even playing music 21.36.12 # Yea, I think that's the major downside to rockbox on ipods 21.37.25 # it should get better with time (I hope) 21.37.37 # Does anyone know how to change the menu background screen? 21.38.11 # not me...i just got it working today 21.38.30 # <-- rockbox virgin 21.38.42 # Yea, same here. 21.38.53 Quit daurnimator (Connection timed out) 21.39.00 # put a bmp with the same dimensions as your screen somewhere, then use "set as backdrop" from the context menu on that file 21.39.18 # if you put the file in /.rockbox/backdrops it will get remembered after reboot. 21.39.32 # ah, that sounds easy...does a background eat your batteries? 21.40.08 # not that I know of. 21.40.18 # the display is turned on anyway, is it? 21.40.27 Quit nls_web ("CGI:IRC") 21.40.30 # :) i wasn't sure..I know having a background in windows makes it work harder 21.40.45 # thought it might be similar 21.40.46 # im sure some backdrops wont mind eating some AAs 21.40.50 # :P 21.40.54 # Hmm, where's this context menu? 21.41.12 # hold select on the file (i think) 21.42.42 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 21.43.31 # Genius. Works on the UI Sim. Didn't come back up on reload. 21.43.38 # I'm sure I'll deal with that later. 21.45.12 Join webguest32 [0] (i=1847df8c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d569d3c353847196) 21.46.04 # hi, are there any wallpapers for rockbox? 21.46.32 Quit webguest32 (Client Quit) 21.46.35 # What svn uri do i need to use with my developer account? 21.47.54 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul) 21.48.12 # AFAIK the normal one... svn should prompt you for auth when it needs it (but I'm not a dev...) 21.48.12 Join JavaMan22 [0] (n=HP_Admin@c-24-61-91-138.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) 21.48.28 # austriancoder: obo is right. 21.48.53 # svn will prompt you. It first tries with your local username, if that fails it prompts you for a new username 21.49.03 # ah okay :) 21.55.42 Join perpleXa [0] (i=perpleXa@unaffiliated/perplexa) 21.57.16 Quit Tired_ ("ChatZilla 0.9.78 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 21.59.43 Join lukaswayne9 [0] (n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 22.00.32 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 22.04.37 # Woah. This wps making, is actually pretty damn complicated. 22.05.06 # If anyone could explain how to put in a song progress bar, I'd be grateful. 22.05.17 # One that moves along as the song progresses. 22.06.37 # see the manual -- there is a list of all tags in the appendix. 22.06.50 # iirc it was %pb 22.07.00 # Yea, I'm reading the Wiki and stuff. I just can't grasp it. 22.07.15 # you might want to try the manual instead. 22.07.16 # Oh yea, I have that. But I'm wondering about customising it. 22.07.25 # it's somewhat more ... structured ;-) 22.07.32 # Ah, thanks. 22.07.52 Quit perpleXa ("leaving") 22.08.14 # don't know about the current state of the wiki pages regarding wps, but documentation efforts concentrated on the manual 22.09.56 # as far as I am aware the CustonWps page is quite up-to-date 22.09.57 # Right, thanks a lot. 22.10.08 Join docgnome [0] (n=docgnome@64-40-47-199.nocharge.com) 22.10.48 # I'm using an Archos Jukebox Studio 20 with rockbox and I was wondering what exactly does the Battery Capacity setting do? 22.11.03 # The thing I'm struggling with is replacing things with images. 22.12.34 # docgnome: afaik it's only used to help make the battery life remaining estimation more accurate. 22.13.53 # ah. How do I figure it out? I have four AA recharable NiMH batters that say.... 2500mAh on them. Is that what I should set it at? 22.14.45 Part austriancoder ("Kopete 0.12.4 : http://kopete.kde.org") 22.15.19 Join ZenMasterJG [0] (n=jordan@69.43.65.27) 22.15.33 # docgnome: correct 22.15.56 # Right. thanks 22.16.12 # anyone want to try my game? 22.16.18 # i just made it use java webstart 22.16.40 # Why is it that playing OGG and AAC is not supported on Archos players? 22.16.57 # docgnome: because the decoder is in HW and it can only decode mp3 22.17.06 # ah. yuck 22.17.13 # the cpu isn't powerful enough to do it 22.17.16 # JavaMan22: This channel is for discussion of Rockbox. 22.17.18 # Is there anyone around who knows WPSs inside out? 22.17.39 # gross. I really wanted to convert my library to OGG 22.19.36 # Benefits of OGG over MP3? 22.19.55 # it's an open format for one. 22.19.56 # Moral reasons. 22.19.58 # better quality. Free format. No more hassles with id3 encoding type 22.21.02 # Does anyone have any links to explain WPSs more? I've read the Wiki, the manual, and the simple Wiki. 22.21.05 # I've never understood why an open format for audio is important. Software I can understand, but why audio? 22.21.08 # okie 22.22.03 # I'm guessing it comes down to the decoder? 22.23.12 Join Domonoky_ [0] (n=Domonoky@p549ad465.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.23.56 # ... that was weird. My Archos just hiccuped and said "Error End of list" in the middle of a song. I turned it on and then off again and it resumed playing just fine. 22.24.17 Quit Domonoky_ (Remote closed the connection) 22.28.45 # Has anyone got any tips for positioning things correctly in a WPS? 22.28.52 # Bagder: When are we due to hear how many students Rockbox will get from Google? 22.28.54 # Finding co-ordinates and the like? 22.29.05 # linuxstb: around april 11 22.29.18 # Soul-Slayer are you Steve Jobs by any chance? 22.29.45 # MentalDental: take a screenshot of the simulator then use a graphics program ? 22.29.53 # perl|work: heh. 22.30.22 # Bagder: So have we (you) submitted a ranked list of projects to google? 22.30.39 # That's what I'm thinking Badger. However, it's just finding the co-ordinates from that program. 22.31.02 # linuxstb: i believe we will get a number of "slots" by google and then we tell them which of the projects we want for them 22.31.20 # So that will be sometime before april 11? 22.31.28 # yes, I believe so 22.31.38 # it's not crystal clear really ;-) 22.31.45 # I'm gathering that :) 22.33.59 Join Moos [0] (i=Moos@m135.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 22.36.01 Quit MentalDental ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 22.42.18 Join saratoga [0] (i=980398df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-19e9051f9ab38bbc) 22.42.25 Part JavaMan22 22.42.50 # has there been any dicussion about the priorities of the different proposals? 22.42.56 # personally i'm really hoping for MOB 22.43.07 # since it seems to be holding back so many other projects 22.43.08 # yes, we have them "sorted" 22.43.21 # MoB is one of the top ones 22.43.28 # petur: '.' as the bootdir most certainly won't work 22.44.36 # right... should be / 22.45.18 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.45.35 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 22.45.35 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.45.43 # rolo appends / so an empty string should be enough 22.46.00 # but the opendir needs / 22.46.13 # So it needs to be '/' or just empty 22.46.28 # A duplicate / doesn't hurt iirc 22.48.09 Join webguest82 [0] (i=46aba1c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d24d04eeb2011e03) 22.48.42 Part docgnome 22.48.44 # how do i tell what version my ipod nano is 22.49.27 # Is it all-metal? 22.50.06 # its the newer one 4gb , blue 22.50.23 # thats a 2G 22.50.35 # 4gb 22.50.47 # 2G means 2nd Generation. 22.50.50 # as in "Generation" 22.51.09 # i.e. Rockbox doesn't work on it. 22.51.25 # petur: Hmm, not easy to test... size needs to be different 22.51.31 Join inversions [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 22.52.06 # it would be nice to have the version number somewhere in the binary at a fixed location 22.52.25 # Comparing the timestamp should be more reliable than the size and cluster 22.52.47 Quit webguest82 (Client Quit) 22.54.00 Join hannesd_ [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 22.54.21 # It's rather unlikely that 2 builds to be installed on the same target were made within the same 2-second interval 22.55.38 # But size can easily be the same, and if the file size isn't significantly different, start cluster will also be the same 22.56.02 # true 22.57.02 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 23.03.38 Join shoepainter [0] (n=gebt@pool-71-116-71-160.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 23.04.20 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 23.05.15 # hey zunepets on to somthing on the toshiba s30 in the deleloping port forum 23.05.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.05.34 # good job zunepet 23.06.01 Quit ompaul ("warning: missing joke!") 23.06.45 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul) 23.07.55 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 23.11.41 Join donutman25 [0] (n=chatzill@24.244.160.233) 23.13.46 Quit midgey () 23.16.03 Quit ender` (" On the contrary, if you never procreate, neither will your kids.") 23.18.06 Quit FOAD_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.20.35 Quit desowin ("use linux") 23.21.58 Part perl|work 23.25.26 Join scoates [0] (n=sean@64.15.79.181) 23.26.12 # hi 23.26.49 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23.28.40 Quit SirFunk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.28.51 # is there a way to get touchwheel of my ipod photo/color to work as a jog (ffw/rwd) instead of a volume control? 23.29.29 # edit the keymap fiel I suppose 23.29.37 # *file 23.29.42 # hrm. I was hoping I could get it to change modes.. 23.30.02 # I like that the original firmware (apple) would let me quickly jump to the middle of a track by spinning the wheel rapidly 23.30.06 # (good for podcasts) 23.30.07 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 23.31.02 # that will be more work 23.31.02 Quit Hoffmann ("Ciao") 23.31.09 # yeah.. 23.31.30 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@adsl-69-208-75-239.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) 23.31.36 # oop.. got to go. Thanks and sorry for leaving so quickly. I'll leave the window open if anyone has a simple solution. 23.32.22 Join reda_ea_ [0] (n=reda@c-75-72-123-190.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 23.36.54 Join entheh [0] (n=purr@88-106-254-135.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 23.40.19 # * petur should stop trying to do several things at the same time and check more before committing :/ 23.41.23 # nonsense! do what I do ^^ 23.41.43 # * entheh wrote a complete networked game last weekend (for a competition) before testing any of it 23.42.22 # (not a very big game, and re-using a lot from a previous networked game, but still) 23.43.20 # translation : I changed the tile-set of FreeCiv. ;) 23.43.53 # sorry 23.46.04 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 23.48.06 Join BigMac [0] (n=Mike@c-71-234-95-131.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) 23.49.01 Quit Moos ("Glory to Rockbox") 23.49.30 Join moos [0] (i=moos@m135.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 23.50.02 Join jac0b [0] (n=jac0b@user-11208v2.dsl.mindspring.com) 23.50.40 Quit jhulst (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.54.37 Quit midgey () 23.58.58 # Soap: no, I only re-used the packet protocol (my own packets within a TCP stream) and the player recruitment framework