--- Log for 16.04.107 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot- Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 4 days and 22 hours ago 00.00.39 # Hey, how'd 6949 get in. Specifically, how come we're letting a change of the commit message, and the exact same code but with two variable names changed allow a bypassing of the "strict" no anonymous code rule? 00.01.13 # Llorean: The patch itself is trivial - you can't really implement the feature in any other way IIUC... 00.01.32 # Read the IRC logs for some brief discussions... 00.03.36 # Is the code so important we couldn't have just rejected it, and waited to see if the author changed their mind? 00.03.54 # PaulJam well i cant make them displayed 00.04.36 # without reading the logs, I would like to treat anonymous patches as being owned by the committer - no credits and the committer takes full responsability of the code as if he wrote it himself. (don't want to start a discussion on this, just expressing my feelings) 00.04.39 # Llorean: I think Slasheri handled it badly, but what he did in the end was right - i.e. reject the patch and implement the same feature himself. 00.05.44 # linuxstb: I'd rather that had waited at least a few weeks, to try to talk the author into following our guidelines. 00.06.20 # I don't like that a precedent has been set for anonymous code to be accepted if we just rename the variables. I know in this case it was trivial, and there's not really another way to implement it, but it still just doesn't sit right in my stomach 00.06.48 # petur: i think i agree 00.07.02 # petur: I don't think you're going to get the Real-name policy overturned. 00.07.29 # Llorean: I don't try to do that 00.07.40 # Llorean: I don't think it's set any precedent. 00.07.56 # petur: Oh, I thought you were suggesting anonymous patches could be accepted. 00.08.24 # linuxstb: I think it has only in the sense that we've said "Well, this one time it's okay since it was so trivial" 00.08.37 # But it's me being stubborn, I'll drop it before we argue too much. 00.08.39 # We haven't said that. We rejected the patch. 00.08.54 # But the feature idea was accepted. 00.09.20 # * petur thinks he could put this on the devcon agenda 00.09.29 # go go! 00.09.57 # it could be two separate issues. the real-name policy stands, but anonymous code can be "adopted" by another commiter 00.09.58 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Remote closed the connection) 00.10.07 # I don't mean to stir shit - but how can a "no anon. code" policy be claimed w/o checking government photo ID? 00.10.09 # i don't think it's that ban an idea 00.10.13 # linuxstb: If you diff the patched versions of the files with the "reimplemented" files, the only difference is WPS_TOKEN_DATABASE_SCORE is now WPS_TOKEN_DATABASE_AUTOSCORE 00.10.28 # And %rs vs %ra 00.10.31 # Llorean: should we implement it in a more complicated way and waste bytes to avoid it? 00.10.32 # Llorean: Yes, because there's no other way to do it... 00.10.38 # Llorean: it's a straightforward feature 00.10.41 # Llorean: the patch i posted was itself basically just a copy and paste fron another wps tag (%rr). so i didn't really think it would matter if i post it annonymous. 00.10.47 # I know it's straightforward 00.11.41 # But it's also hardly a very important feature. 00.11.59 # I think the problem is that the patch was accepted in the first place. 00.12.08 # but important enough to make an issue out of it? 00.12.18 # The feature isn't the issue, the policy is. 00.12.32 # the policy really hasn't been breached 00.12.38 # the feature is so simple it might look like it, but it's not 00.12.47 # preglow: The code is word for word, space for space, character for character identical to that in the patch. 00.13.02 Nick qwm is now known as guy_formerly_kno (n=qwm@h162n1fls34o1010.telia.com) 00.13.36 # but look at how basic it is... 00.13.36 # It is trivial yes, but is it trivial or copy and pasted? 00.13.40 # how can't it be nearly identical 00.13.51 Part andy^rb 00.13.52 # in this case, it's very possible it's been manually typed over again 00.13.53 # Llorean: As PaulJam said - it's copy and pasted from existing Rockbox code. 00.13.59 Nick guy_formerly_kno is now known as qwm (n=qwm@h162n1fls34o1010.telia.com) 00.14.03 # it's just too simple to really know 00.14.08 # I'd just rather if we waited a week, is all 00.14.09 # i.e. both PaulJam and Slasheri would have based it on the similar %rr tag. 00.14.23 # I really don't like it sitting right there by the commit message. 00.14.33 # "I removed this patch, and then put the exact code back in again claimed as my own" 00.14.37 # Even if it really is reimplemented. 00.15.10 # But as I said, I don't want to argue. If you guys are okay with it, then fine. 00.15.15 # so it's just a cosmetic issue? 00.15.21 # it would have been ok if he waited a week then commited? 00.15.37 Join heanol_ [0] (i=heanol@karantan.org) 00.15.42 # Isn't the point of a no anonomous code policy to force people to take accountability, take responsibility for the code - to prevent people from breaking NDAs and the like? 00.16.01 # mostly, i guess 00.16.16 # but i guess it's also partly just a way to express how we want things to work 00.16.49 # preglow: It's a case of: although this code is so trivial you can't really call PaulJam's code original code anyway, it's got the potential to cause problems later if people who HAVE been rejected for anonymity get upset about it. 00.17.12 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@adsl-70-235-180-86.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) 00.17.17 # Llorean: it's happened plenty of times before, so this won't be the case that breaks anything 00.17.35 Quit rift (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.17.37 # Llorean: linus himself has commited code from the notorously anonymous bluechip, for example 00.18.02 Join rift [0] (n=rift@242.56.70-86.rev.gaoland.net) 00.18.09 Join saratoga [0] (i=98039b62@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b0c0f5e6e8e86d4b) 00.18.10 # * amiconn hopes that his commit msg is appropriate 00.18.13 # Reimplemented though, or the same code but with a different name? 00.18.19 # Llorean: his code 00.18.21 # as is 00.18.29 # =/ 00.18.38 # afaik, can't remember exactly 00.18.48 # would be wise to search the issue out before pointing any fingers 00.18.53 # Though, if bluechip has released it under the GPL somewhere else, it's the same as using it from another project. 00.19.00 # how serious sounding is my nickname? 00.19.03 # i've been known to make blunders "now and then" 00.19.10 # qwm: extremely 00.19.15 # Bluechip's code was removed 00.19.40 # then hooray! 00.19.41 # The most notably one was the othelo game 00.19.43 # preglow: i was beginning to worry. 00.19.52 # what's the progress on mpegplayer btw? 00.19.57 # amiconn: looks good to me 00.19.59 # been a few months since my last update now. 00.20.11 # amiconn: ah, what i was thinking about was a smaller code snippet, i think 00.20.16 # someone told me i need to update the bootloader as well now. is that.. true? 00.20.23 # qwm: the only major feature missing is seeking support 00.20.32 # markun: indeed.. 00.20.40 # missing with a big m 00.20.42 # :p 00.20.48 # and all bold letters. 00.20.54 # zooming would be sweet as well. 00.21.12 # qwm, COP support got into the core and requires an updated bootloader 00.21.13 # Nico_P: Warning is gone :) 00.21.17 # qwm: You mean upscaling? 00.21.22 Quit Siltaar (Remote closed the connection) 00.21.24 # amiconn: yes, thanks :) 00.21.27 # and subtitles 00.21.30 # I believe people were claiming they would be happy if rebuffering was added 00.21.41 # linuxstb: probably.. you're the expert(s). :p 00.21.43 # markun: You believed that? 00.21.44 # but ipodpatcher got somewhat mature -- it's really easy installing a new bootloader 00.21.48 Join safetydan [0] (i=cbca159f@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 00.21.50 # linuxstb: no, of course not :) 00.21.52 # bluebrother: ahhh 00.22.06 # markun: I'd personally prefer a "resume" feature to seeking anyway 00.22.08 # qwm: I mean resizing a small video to fullscreen or resizing a large video to fullscreen? 00.22.11 # maybe you want to have a look at the RecentChanges wiki page ;-) 00.22.27 # grep -i bluechip svnlog|wc -l gives six hits 00.22.42 # Llorean: but then you never fall asleep while watching a movie on your Gigabeat :) 00.23.03 # linuxstb: i meant both, i think.. :) 00.23.06 Quit Nico_P (""bed time for me"") 00.23.08 # saratoga: oy? 00.23.55 # markun: any work done on the gigabeat s thus far? 00.23.57 # markun: The big problem is that if I pause a movie, and it idle poweroffs, and I was 30 minutes from the end... 00.24.04 # qwm: Downscaling a large video isn't practical - your device (whatever it is) will struggle to decode the larger video. i.e. you'll get a reduced framerate due to more data to decode, and then a further slowdown for the scaling itself. 00.24.30 Part JavaMan22 00.24.34 # right. 00.25.27 # preglow: I think that ptw419 and Zunepet are only discussing progress in private 00.25.42 # markun: now why'd they want to do that? 00.25.53 # maybe they are afraid the Zune-linux guys want to steal their code? :) 00.26.01 # hahaha 00.26.15 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.26.50 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 00.28.11 Part TrueJournals 00.28.15 Quit Guile ("KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'") 00.30.22 # preglow: amazing, no progress from Zune-linux. Maybe they thought by claiming it worked long enough it would magically happen 00.31.54 Quit SirFunk (Remote closed the connection) 00.32.53 # Who wants to write a lang file editing tool for me? 00.32.53 Quit bluebrother ("Leaving") 00.33.13 Join Guile [0] (n=Guile@84.4.22.240) 00.33.18 # * safetydan gets lost trying to keep the cleaned up version in sync 00.34.32 # the files are getting really huge 00.34.40 Join perldiver [0] (n=say@cpe-72-225-231-80.nyc.res.rr.com) 00.35.28 # PaulJam do the viewer icons need something like "iconset: /.rockbox/icons/.bmp" as well? 00.36.02 # yes, "viewers iconset: /.rockbox...." 00.36.05 Quit heanol (Connection timed out) 00.36.36 # aha 00.40.52 Quit amiconn (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC has never been so good") 00.40.53 Quit Hammer89 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.41.49 Join Hammer89 [0] (n=soc_inte@host-24-149-166-187.patmedia.net) 00.41.51 Part Llorean 00.42.43 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@p54BD74AA.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.45.32 # markun did you have a chance to finish the POWER - A switch patch? 00.48.41 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@rockbox/administrator/Llorean) 00.50.32 Quit pearldiver (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.51.18 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.53.01 Quit ender` (" Hardware, n The part of the computer that you can kick.") 00.54.31 Quit petur ("Zzzzzz") 00.55.49 Quit midgey () 00.59.21 # real time clock wps tags are broken? 01.00.51 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-238-239.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 01.03.21 # perldiver: they were changed some day ago 01.05.33 # PaulJam do you happen to know the new ones? 01.07.26 # they are documented in the wiki on the CustomWPS page. 01.10.47 Quit Rincewind ("Cya") 01.11.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.16.10 Join Farp [0] (n=asd@60.49.99.86) 01.17.00 # PaulJam thats what i tried just now 01.17.57 # for example this line "%cH:%cM:%cS" just display ": :" 01.19.50 # the line looks correct, i have no idea. 01.20.28 # i haven't updated my build today, and with a build from yesterdas the clock tags work 01.21.09 # yes, happened today actually 01.25.43 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 01.30.58 Quit austriancoder ("Kopete 0.12.4 : http://kopete.kde.org") 01.32.39 Join pearldiver [0] (n=say@cpe-72-225-231-80.nyc.res.rr.com) 01.33.30 Quit rift ("Lost terminal") 01.40.46 Quit roolku () 01.48.32 Quit robin0800 (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC for those that like to be different") 01.48.40 Quit moos ("Glory to Rockbox") 01.50.13 Quit perldiver (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.00.24 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 02.04.15 # JdGordon! 02.05.32 # morning 02.07.36 # JdGordon took me awhile to figure out how viewer icons work 02.07.40 # but i got there 02.08.09 # :) oh ood 02.09.52 # i think the FS page has become confusing a bit 02.10.15 # just a liitle :) 02.10.39 # i was hoping to commit this arvo, but didnt get answers on the dev ml i needed 02.12.10 # anyway, aliask's icons are great 02.16.42 # JdGordon: i noticed, that when the lineselection is set to cursor and you use custom icons, the cursor might overlap the text in the recording screen (cant test right now with only your patch applied). 02.17.39 # propably only if the custom icons are larger than the default ones 02.17.45 # there is a cursor in the rec screen? 02.18.48 # only if you don't use the inverse bar selection 02.20.45 # And a little request: could the Database have its own icon? currently it shares the icon with the sound settings. 02.22.37 Quit funky (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.25.43 # JdGordon: Hey, with your patch, can I give .aac, .mp3, and .flac different icons even though they'd normally use the same builtin one? 02.25.57 # Basically, differentiate on extension despite they're all normally just "audio file"? 02.25.58 # yes 02.26.01 # Okay, cool 02.26.12 Quit Hammer89 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.26.37 # Llorean: was about to ping you actually :) can you use use sansa as a mSD card reader for your computer? 02.26.45 # JdGordon: Yes 02.26.57 # It gets its own drive letter 02.27.02 # great, then i might just buy a 1gb card today 02.27.14 Join Hammer89 [0] (n=soc_inte@host-24-149-166-187.patmedia.net) 02.28.56 # Llorean: Have you read anything more anywhere about problems with sansapatcher not checking the correct partition types? 02.29.26 Quit safetydan ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 02.29.35 Join elinenbe [0] (n=elinenbe@207-237-225-94.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 02.29.42 # linuxstb: Not in quite a while 02.29.45 Quit spiorf_ (Remote closed the connection) 02.30.11 Quit joa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.33.40 # JdGordon: Imho the best way to handle viewer icons will be to always load them from a .bmp, falling back to a generic 'unknown' icon in case the bitmap isn't loadable 02.33.54 Quit Hammer89 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.34.08 # The built-in filename default should then point to the shipped version 02.34.19 # I think so too, but do we leave the icon number in viewers.config? or move them to a seperate file? 02.34.28 # This would have the advantage that we could ship different default icons per target if desired 02.34.52 # Icon number in viewers.config sounds ok 02.35.33 # ok cool. so then the last point is, wich build acript moves the bmp into the zip? 02.36.06 # buildzip.pl I'd say. It's not wps 02.37.14 # righto 02.37.20 # Looks like we need to think about placement of target/resolution/whatever-specific bitmaps for as-is shipment (as opposed to the bitmap build system) in the source tree 02.37.56 # the apps/bitmaps/native folder is fine 02.38.12 Quit inversions (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.38.12 # No it's not 02.38.15 # dont know where the virewers.bpm file should be stored though 02.38.17 # why not? 02.38.28 # apps/bitmaps/native is for processing during build 02.39.04 # oh.. hmm.. your talking about viewers.bmp? 02.39.10 # yes 02.39.52 # apps/plugins/bitmaps/viewers_bmps ? 02.39.54 # * amiconn thinks the fallback icon should resemble a 'broken icon' icon 02.40.36 Join Hammer89 [0] (n=soc_inte@host-24-149-166-187.patmedia.net) 02.41.26 # fallback icon for supported tyes without an icon set? 02.41.34 # or unsupported types? 02.42.02 # supported type when the specified viewer icons .bmp is missing 02.43.48 # save an icon and use the question mark icon? 02.45.00 # JdGordon: little question, is the length of the file extension in the .icons file limited to 4 characters? 02.45.06 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 02.45.36 # no 02.48.36 # hmm, i tried to assign an icon to .codec files and this didn't work. maybe i did something wrong. 02.50.03 # .codec files don't fall under the 'supported' category, as you cannot load them directly 02.50.03 # there souldnt be a limit to the ext anywhere... 02.50.35 # maybe they could have the rockbox icon though? 02.51.18 # oh, i thought with the .icons file you could also assign icons to unsufforted filetypes. 02.51.18 Quit Hammer89 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.51.33 # you can 02.58.45 # oh, i'm not using the latest patch, maybe that's the problem. 03.00.56 Quit barrywardell () 03.01.36 # .icons file? 03.01.49 # That's a new idea I don't know yet... 03.05.25 # Hmm, does that mean we don't need 2 bitmaps to theme both builtin types and viewers? 03.10.17 # its a text file which lets you give an icon to an extension 03.10.26 # same idea as the 3rd column in viewers.config 03.10.36 # JdGordon: Could you create a short wiki page (e.g. CustomIcons) describing the formats of all the required files for icons/viewers etc? 03.10.53 # * JdGordon was hoping someone else would :p 03.10.57 # i hate usng the wiki 03.11.17 # but yeah, ill do that today 03.11.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.12.05 Part pixelma 03.12.09 # Thanks. I think it would be easier for people to see what you're proposing, and to answer your questions. 03.12.21 # Hello everyone 03.12.32 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 03.14.29 # hmm... it seems i have an assignment due in 13 hours! 03.14.43 # we might not be seeing a commit from me today then ;p 03.19.14 Join Hammer89 [0] (n=soc_inte@host-24-149-166-187.patmedia.net) 03.26.10 Quit PaulJam (".") 03.29.10 Join joa [0] (i=joe@host86-136-139-111.range86-136.btcentralplus.com) 03.34.13 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomIcons is a start 03.34.32 # except, in the patches "b" is used instead of "m", but i tihnk m is better 03.34.42 # unless someone comes up with a better char to use? 03.36.56 # What does it stand for? 03.39.59 # I'm not really fond of a letter/number combination at all, honestly 03.39.59 # But I can't see a better way at the moment 03.47.15 Join qwx [0] (n=qwm@h162n1fls34o1010.telia.com) 03.47.34 # b was for built-in.. m is main icons set... 03.47.51 # its to use the index for the man icon set instead of the viewers iconset 03.52.09 # Since there's only 32 main icons, couldn't you just use 0-31 as the builtin, and 32+ as not? 03.54.17 # thats annoying 03.54.56 # also means if we add a main icon the .icons file would need updating also 03.56.01 # Are there actually 32 even main icons? 03.56.07 # Or is 32 the current maximum? 03.56.35 # * Llorean shrugs 03.56.40 # currwently 32 03.56.58 # It could go the other way around. 0-31 are the user-icons, and 32+ are the main ones. 03.58.39 # I just don't like the use of a letter like that. But that's probably just me. 03.59.03 # same problem.. and i agree... but we could use any character 03.59.13 # but i gtg now, back in a fw hours 03.59.48 # Well, maybe _ 04.07.20 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.09.36 Join krazykit [0] (n=kkit@donatello.huffman.denison.edu) 04.14.28 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@unaffiliated/funky) 04.16.46 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 04.17.00 Quit joa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.18.28 Part TrueJournals 04.29.43 Quit funky ("leaving") 04.30.49 Quit blistov_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.32.45 Quit rotator () 04.39.37 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 04.42.39 Join cadu [0] (i=cadu___@ZS116148.ppp.dion.ne.jp) 04.42.52 Join joa [0] (i=joe@host86-142-162-144.range86-142.btcentralplus.com) 04.44.25 # hello guys, i'm using the 'Tranquil' WPS and part of the date and hours is showing only chars (maybe old tags) instead of actual information, where can i find new tags/changed tags to correct my WPS ? 04.44.54 # cadu: The new tag format is on the CustomWPS page 04.45.37 # thanks :) 04.45.41 # Llorean the new tags for real time clock didnt work for me with today's build 04.47.05 # pearldiver: What revision broke 'em? 04.52.19 # can you check if it works for you? 04.54.15 # but i did the svn update when the autoscore tag was commited 04.54.31 # pearldiver: What revision do you have right now then, that's not working? 04.54.45 # JdGordon: I love the patch... looks GREAT! 04.54.50 # pearldiver: And, why are you even bringing it up if you aren't using the most up to date version? 04.55.03 # Llorean i am now 04.55.37 # Then you should've said that, instead of saying the daily was broken. 04.56.20 # Since the autoscore tag was committed after the daily, I was looking in things pre-it that might be relevant. 04.56.25 # my mistake 04.56.49 # im on r13169M 04.57.25 # Which is not the current build 04.57.45 # I already asked you why you're bringing it up if you aren't using the most up to date version, and you said "I am now"... 04.58.31 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@adsl-69-208-79-209.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) 04.58.40 # just noticed that im not already 05.03.44 # pearldiver: And, does it work? 05.06.12 Quit pabs (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05.07.39 # will test in a few 05.07.46 Quit joa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.08.10 # It works fine for me, at least. 05.11.25 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.16.50 Quit Hammer89 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.16.53 # well, instead of "%cH:%cM:%cS" line i see ": :" 05.17.11 # And is this with a current build? 05.17.14 # yes 05.17.49 # Using %cI:%cM:%cS worked fine for me. 05.17.55 # With the "Current build" 05.18.09 # Have you set your clock? 05.18.24 # Even if it's showing "a time", have you actually manually SET it since your last battery power off? 05.19.34 # Llorean yes i did 05.20.13 # pearldiver: Odd, because mine showed :: until I went and actually set the time, then it was fine. 05.20.22 # Could you double check that? 05.20.30 # checking now 05.20.40 # ha, setting it again solved it! 05.22.03 # thanks 05.35.08 Join Guile` [0] (n=Guile@84.7.94.192) 05.53.01 Quit Guile (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.55.32 Quit FOAD (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.55.43 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 05.57.56 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@24-117-195-16.cpe.cableone.net) 06.07.00 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.10.43 Join homielowe [0] (n=chatzill@207.6.216.231) 06.10.53 Join persept_ [0] (n=persept@c-24-5-188-178.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 06.19.40 # is there a way to just download the svn version of 1 file? I am trying to remove a patch and I keep getting hunks failed. trying to reset the files that are messed up to clean versions 06.20.00 # svn revert filename 06.20.20 # Llorean: thanks. will try that right now 06.26.34 Quit persept (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.26.54 # yay! it compiled. w00t! 06.35.53 # Hello 06.36.25 # Llorean: should i fill in a bug report on flyspray for the backlight issue? 06.36.40 # hen3rz: Sure, if there's not one. 06.37.48 # Hrmm it appears there isnt 06.39.27 Quit hcs (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 06.44.17 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 06.46.28 Join pabs [0] (n=pabs@xor.pablotron.org) 06.46.36 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.50.30 # * JdGordon returns 06.51.25 # Llorean: I filled in the bug report, I hope it makes sense. http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7037 06.52.31 # Llorean: picked up a 1b mSD card today for about $10 us :) 06.52.37 # 1gb eve 06.52.38 # n 06.52.51 # JdGordon: Nice, let me know when you have it working perfectly. :-P 06.52.53 # And chop, chop 06.53.00 # hehe 06.53.36 # any idea how to rename a partition in linux? 06.53.55 # rename? 06.53.58 # like, where it's mounted? 06.54.09 # no, the name of the actual partition... 06.54.19 # partitions don't have names 06.54.28 # yes they do! 06.54.31 # your stuck in a dos world 06.54.31 # tchan: The volume name. 06.54.32 # brb 06.54.35 Join webguest41 [0] (i=47683a36@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-89876027fa6c6f6f) 06.55.16 # hello 06.55.40 # hello 06.55.50 # Is this backlight bug classified as "high" cause it kind of is a core feature, case i cant read anything on the screen 06.55.59 # webguest41: This isn't really a social channel. 06.56.04 # webguest41: Did you have a question? 06.56.12 # umm 06.56.18 # i have an ipod 5th gen 06.56.49 # and i was wondering if i install does the media that i added with itunes become useless to the rock box os 06.57.06 # webguest41: Rockbox can't play songs from the iTunes store, but any other songs should be fine. 06.58.14 # so once i install rock box 06.58.24 # how do i add skins 06.58.33 # webguest41: See the manual for that one 06.58.49 # okay 06.59.06 # webguest41: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ 06.59.51 # and if i install it or uninstall do i risk a hard reset(all media erased) 07.00.00 Part toffe82 07.01.04 Join johnnyoc3 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-71-143-19-189.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) 07.01.14 # webguest41, it's possible, though that's true about anything. if you remotely care about your data, it should be backed up anyway.. 07.01.23 # webguest41: It's only possible if you do something crazy. 07.01.36 # webguest41: Though if you have a Mac-iPod, you have to reformat it, which by definition wipes the data. 07.02.00 # is it similair to linux giving u a choice bewteen rock box os and aplle os 07.02.22 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54967BB9.dip.t-dialin.net) 07.02.26 # You can hold down a button to start the Apple OS instead of Rockbox 07.02.41 # or flip the hold switch on boot 07.03.54 # and i have my firmware updated with a skin using ipod wizard should i return to apples firmware when using rock box 07.04.26 # It shouldn't matter 07.04.27 # my ipod has a skin and it works fine with rockbox 07.05.52 # wtf? the OF cant read jpg's from the mSD card? 07.10.04 # The OF doesn't let you do anything with it but music, I believe 07.10.38 # lame! 07.11.23 Join fejfighter [0] (n=fejfight@C-59-101-112-156.syd.connect.net.au) 07.11.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.14.38 # Llorean: btw, i did rewrite that autoscore feature again from scratch without looking at the patch while doing it but it just became almost different 07.14.54 # *identical 07.16.11 Quit johnnyoc3 ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 07.16.59 # Slasheri: That's fine. 07.17.37 # Really, I'm just upset that the image it puts forth (because the patch was accepted first, then identical code except for variablenames was checked in immediately after). 07.17.48 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 07.18.06 # Because the whole "non anonymous code" argument comes up often enough without something like that which someone can reference next time the issue is brought up. 07.18.22 # i think my ipod is stuck *moving images to create roomfor new firmware* for 4 mins 07.18.25 # Llorean: meh, its no big deal, the patch in question was tiny 07.18.51 # webguest41: That shouldn't take 4 minutes, no. 07.19.00 # JdGordon: It's the principle more than anything else. 07.19.12 # JdGordon: well, the issue is that our policy is no anonymous code...not little pieces are ok 07.19.30 # If the original code had never been checked in, it wouldn't have been as much a problem. 07.19.41 # I know, but its not like any of us couldnt have put the patch together in 3 min anyway.. 07.19.50 # But right now anyone can put those two revisions side by side, and see that the only difference is the variable names. 07.19.54 # JdGordon: Then someone should've up front. 07.20.22 # Slasheri: revert it, then in 2 weeks commit it without mentioneing the fs# :p 07.20.32 # It's too late to really do anything about it now 07.21.08 # I just wanted to make my feelings on the issue heard earlier, because it is more "gray area" than previous things. 07.22.01 # Llorean: in fact the original patch had extra brackets as well which i already cleaned out before i did the first commit 07.22.25 # so it wasn't 100% original at the first place either 07.22.59 # Slasheri: I'm really not that upset about it, I promise. 07.23.16 # :) 07.23.59 # * JdGordon gone again 07.27.44 # ummmm bootloader is taking long or its unsucessful 07.27.59 # its keeps saying moving images 07.28.54 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.29.18 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B96F12.dip.t-dialin.net) 07.30.27 Quit persept_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.30.59 Join persept [0] (n=persept@c-24-5-188-178.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 07.37.38 Quit webguest41 ("CGI:IRC") 07.38.54 Join Javva [0] (n=atul@203.199.117.81) 07.46.52 Join hen3rz_ [0] (n=chatzill@203-206-31-219.dyn.iinet.net.au) 07.48.50 Join GodEater__ [0] (n=bryan@host-83-146-13-117.bulldogdsl.com) 07.50.17 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 07.50.46 Part kaaloo 07.51.28 Quit GodEater_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.51.45 Quit homielowe ("ChatZilla 0.9.78 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 07.55.13 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.01.24 # * JdGordon wonders if Bagder is up yet? 08.03.13 Quit Alonea ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/0000000000]") 08.04.34 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 08.05.13 Quit hen3rz (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.07.38 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 08.08.12 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B14FC4.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.11.42 Join GodEater [0] (n=bryan@host-83-146-13-117.bulldogdsl.com) 08.16.15 Join webguest30 [0] (i=47683a36@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3591cd03f4664a77) 08.16.43 # can anyone assist me? 08.16.55 Quit persept () 08.17.07 # webguest30: perhaps, but only if we know what the problem is 08.17.18 # webguest30: If you just ask your question straight out you'll have a better chance that someone will respond. 08.17.25 # well 08.17.32 # i tryed installing 08.17.36 # rock box 08.17.50 # i did all that your manuel said 08.17.54 Join Jon-Kha [0] (n=Jon-Kha@a91-152-80-95.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 08.17.58 # but when i used boot 08.17.59 # try keeping the question all on one line too... 08.18.02 # it failed 08.18.07 # kept staying on 08.18.12 # making space 08.18.15 # so i quit 08.18.21 # i disconnected 08.18.29 # and now my ipod is 08.18.32 # resetiing 08.18.45 # sorry 08.18.54 # restore it in iTunes 08.19.06 # will it erase my data 08.19.06 # ? 08.19.14 # unfortunately yes 08.20.33 # painful cause i have no backup. ive been using media monkey since my old labby died out. i have 40 gigs of music that i dont have anymore 08.20.53 # any other suggestion 08.21.06 # boot it into disk mode, backup the contents 08.21.11 # and THEN restore it with iTunes 08.21.29 # what should i use to back up 08.21.39 # windows explorer ? 08.21.50 # Just copy them over to your hard drive 08.22.00 # wont i get weird # or letters 08.22.06 # yes 08.22.15 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84.255.206.8) 08.22.19 # but if you copy over the old itunes database from the iPod too 08.22.25 # it won't matter when you put it back on the iPod 08.22.28 # when i send it back to my ipod will it work again 08.22.55 # should do 08.24.24 # the files ought to be tagged properly, too, unless itunes does something insanely stupid like stripping the files of tags 08.24.33 # when transferring. 08.25.18 # krazykit: It doesn't strip the tags, but if you tag them in iTunes, the tags may only be written to the database, not the files (this seems possibly inconsistent, maybe some versions of iTunes do, some don't) 08.25.24 # i dont under stand so if i just rip the old ipods database then restore it then put the ripped database back in it will work just like before with no misspelled music 08.25.50 # webguest30: that's the theory yes 08.25.51 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.26.04 # hmmmmm 08.26.14 # any app out there that can rip music 08.26.21 # only tons. 08.26.42 # webguest30: We said "copy", you don't need to "rip" off the iPod. 08.26.43 # EAC, CDEX, the list goes on and on. 08.26.58 # k 08.27.30 # what do you guys suppose happen to my ipod during this process 08.27.37 Join Br3nda [0] (n=brenda@121-73-1-165.cable.telstraclear.net) 08.27.49 Part kaaloo 08.28.20 # without seeing an error message that's impossible to say webguest30 08.28.30 # hm 08.28.42 # you haven't even said what sort of iPod you've got 08.29.04 # 5g 60 gig 08.29.39 # its been heaviley protected and has been used to go to school car and work 08.30.07 # never used it for my more active things i have a photo ipod for that 08.30.26 # so dropping it couldnt be the prolbem 08.30.42 # its when i used bootloader 08.30.52 # i had the prob 08.32.02 # you mean when you were installing it. Not when you were using it. 08.32.17 # right after i gave up and i disconnected it(properley) it went to apple start up then off then off and on off and on until i put into disk mode 08.32.25 # yeah 08.32.51 # it was stuck on moving images for sumtin room 08.33.09 # i think moving images for firmware room but im really not sure 08.33.31 # i gave up after 9 min of it saying that 08.34.06 # and with only 20 gigs of hd space i wont be apple to save my music 08.34.35 # and with a crappy computer with wd2k a celeron and 512 mb of ram 08.34.43 # itunes crashes often 08.35.35 # plus i dont have usb 2.0 08.35.40 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc3-rdng11-0-0-cust229.winn.cable.ntl.com) 08.36.09 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0dbf12935525cf32) 08.38.09 # and it reads perfectly in itunes 08.38.26 # so do u now of a way not destroyin my media 08.39.42 Quit davina ("byeeeeee!") 08.40.50 # webguest30: given those constraints (mostly the only 20 gigs of space), then no - there isn't a way to save it. 08.41.14 # thx for your help admins 08.41.37 # Actually 08.41.54 # yes Llorean 08.42.25 # i will try any solution u might have in mind 08.42.53 # webguest30: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore if you're feeling up to some more technical stuff 08.43.08 # k 08.43.10 # You can skip step 3 08.43.15 # step 3 will delete everything on the iPod 08.43.25 # But if you do that wrong, AT ALL, even just a little bit wrong, you'll lose everything 08.43.41 # k 08.43.45 # So you're probably better off just backing up your iPod somehow and restoring 08.43.50 # i dont have linux on my computer 08.44.26 # Well, it's up to you how to solve your problem then. :) 08.45.03 # You're going to need to restore. 08.45.07 # thx tho 08.45.33 # so do i rip the hidden folder ipod control 08.45.34 # ? 08.45.42 # Why do you keep saying "rip"? 08.45.50 # You're just copying a folder. 08.45.50 # if by "rip" you mean "copy", then yes 08.46.00 # yes 08.46.23 # im sorry about the misunderstanding what does rip actually meen 08.46.24 # ? 08.46.27 # actually, there should be a dd for windows. definitely in cygwin, probably in some kind of unix tools for windows packages 08.46.35 Join Bagder_ [0] (i=dast@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-497eb6ce493d8153) 08.46.37 # webguest30, "rip" means to copy off of a CD 08.46.42 # Llorean: did you watch the whole of that dl.tv episode featuring Rockbox ? 08.46.44 Nick Bagder_ is now known as B4gder (i=dast@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-497eb6ce493d8153) 08.47.06 # krazykit: The DD in windows doesn't seem to work quite as well at recognizing partition boundaries, in my test. 08.47.13 # http://www.chrysocome.net/dd 08.47.13 # morning B4gder 08.47.21 # sorrys 08.47.29 # Llorean, that's pretty lame. 08.47.46 # well, there's always Knoppix 08.47.53 # a LiveCD if you're REALLY intent on it 08.48.52 # I wonder how a dd in windows would even be useful. Windows doesn't have raw block device files. 08.49.07 Quit Rick (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.49.13 # one more question should i leave my ipod connected to my comp 08.49.16 # GodEater: i only watched the 4 or so min that applied to rockbox 08.49.18 # Galois: It does. 08.49.22 # really? 08.49.41 # iirc, it's just hidden by the drive-letter thing 08.49.53 # scorche: were you left with the opinion that both presenters were idiots ? 08.49.57 # B4gder: ok, when your awake... do you have any idea how to get the width/height from a bmp.h file which is made with bmp2rb in buildzip.pl? 08.50.01 # in which case, copy.exe would work too (just as cp /dev/hda1 works) 08.50.02 Join Rick [0] (i=rick@pool-71-119-160-247.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 08.50.09 # and incapable of reading the manual, yes 08.50.15 # Galois: They're of the form \\?\Device\Harddisk0\Partition0 08.50.21 # GodEater: I haven't watched it at all, actually 08.50.26 # scorche: I'm glad it wasn't just me. 08.50.35 # is there a windows equivalent for /proc/kcore? 08.50.56 # * amiconn wonders what that is 08.51.14 # image of system memory 08.51.27 # that's not a block device though 08.51.32 # Llorean: it isnt worth watching really...it is the typical article where they get crap wrong...they sit there and show a picture of what "rockbox could look like", but "we are still trying to figure out how to customize it this way" 08.51.37 # sure sure 08.51.46 Join linuxstb [0] (i=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 08.52.06 # scorche: Hahaha 08.52.13 # Llorean: yeah don't bother - they're both morons. If you could hope for a worse review of rockbox's features, I'm not sure what else it would include. 08.52.34 # webguest30: Does ipodpatcher still recognise your ipod (when you force your ipod into disk mode and attach it to your computer) ? 08.52.43 # okay, so dd is half-useful on windows (it would need character devices too in order to qualify as full-useful) 08.52.52 # GodEater: it is hard to top the bar that popular science made 08.53.08 # scorche: I don't know - I thought this one was worse actually. 08.53.25 # but the "it can do cool things, but we dont know how to make it do all this" really doesnt work 08.53.35 # it's less than ideal 08.53.47 # this was worse in "selling point"...popsci was worse in misinfo 08.54.08 # hey guys thanks for the solutions and help u guys have a nice night 08.54.11 # at least these two didn't attempt the install in front of the audience 08.54.21 # can't imagine how badly that would have gone 08.54.29 # that would've been exciting 08.54.37 # "aaaand we're copying some files" 08.54.44 Quit webguest30 ("CGI:IRC") 08.54.50 # "is this a permanent change?" " 08.55.09 # "only if you hit it with a hammer afterwards" 08.55.10 # "i dont think so...but i dont knwo how you would uninstall it"..."cool!" 08.55.31 # not direct quotes of course, but it is close enough 09.03.15 Quit Rick (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.03.44 Join Rick [0] (i=rick@pool-71-119-160-247.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 09.04.47 Join bluebrother [0] (i=9EG6pXca@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 09.05.07 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 09.05.51 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC") 09.07.10 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 09.11.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.12.08 Join himitsu [0] (n=himitsu@61.213.185.10) 09.12.27 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/0000000000]") 09.14.01 Join joa [0] (i=joe@host217-42-58-156.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) 09.15.46 Join rift [0] (n=rift@242.56.70-86.rev.gaoland.net) 09.17.14 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 09.18.36 # Are there any rockbox gigabeat users active? 09.19.31 # What for? 09.19.47 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7038 09.21.03 # LinusN: hey, do you know buildzip.pl? 09.21.17 # JdGordon: a little, why? 09.21.22 # I was browsing through a bunch of pdf pages converted to jpeg files to see if they were readable on the gigabeat screen and it became a real nuisence having the short menu and long menu push to zoom in and out 09.21.57 # LinusN: I need to get it to copy the correct bmp for the viewers into the archive, but I dont know how to get the dimentions from the build 09.22.03 # and was thinking how much easier it would be if the fucntion was mapped to the volume buttons 09.22.20 # I tried playing with the >gcctemp bit but failed 09.22.48 # JdGordon: what dimensions do you want? 09.23.33 # hen3rz_: i think it sounds like a good idea 09.23.45 # the default icon size for the build, without having to explicitly define it in config- ... I can get it from but gcc cant find that file 09.24.49 # LinusN: Thanks, I filled in a feature request so I guess I'll see what happens from there. 09.25.03 # I wish I'd thought of it. 09.25.16 Join crop [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1c21ee1c11163f62) 09.25.24 # I'd noticed the controls weren't great, but never really use it (just demonstrated it for a friend) 09.27.03 # Hahaha yay! I finally did something helpful 09.27.09 Part B4gder 09.28.16 # I have some questions about the pitch screen. 1. Why isn't it under the sound menu (it's sound related IMO) 2. Why isn't the setting permanent 3. What is the "nudge" feature good for? I can't hear any difference. To produce the bend effect, the delta should be increased. And if not, we could just remove the feature (and thus reduce the binary size) 09.28.32 Join Bagder_ [0] (i=dast@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-497eb6ce493d8153) 09.28.39 Nick Bagder_ is now known as B4gder (i=dast@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-497eb6ce493d8153) 09.28.43 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 09.28.49 # By the way, has anyone used their rockbox as like an ebook reader? It took adobe acrobat reader a couple minutes to convert about a 100 + pages to jpeg but they come up alright on the screen. 09.29.15 # JdGordon: where is default_icons.h ? 09.29.29 # /bitmaps aparently 09.29.36 # ok 09.30.22 # if i do -I./bitmaps/ it works.. but is that ok? 09.30.23 # crop: Nudge isn't supposed to be audible. 09.30.24 # Linus: Do you happen to have an open H300 at the moment? 09.30.35 # crop: It's supposed to be a very small change used for getting beats into sync. 09.30.48 # JdGordon: add a $bitmapsdir just like the $firmdir 09.31.13 # ok 09.31.13 # XavierGr: what do you want to know? 09.31.29 # * petur sits up and listens 09.32.05 # well my USB OTG broke again and while I was trying to fix it I may have short circuit the USB OTG jack casing with the capacitor just left from it 09.32.22 # but I am not sure if it was short circuited or not before I touch it 09.32.29 # Llorean: ah... to compensate for small tempo drift? 09.32.37 # crop: the answer to all these questions is that the pitch screen was originally intended for dj use 09.32.53 # crop: When mixing with two devices, for example, while DJing, apparently 09.32.59 # now every time I connect a USB OTG device H300 will just reset automatically 09.33.12 # hen3rz_: I'd rather OCR it to .txt 09.33.49 # petur: didn't you want Linus to check a pin or something for you, now is the right time to remind it to him :P 09.33.53 # Ok, so it's something special and doesn't belong to sound settings despite of the fact that it's sound related 09.34.02 # coffee coffee coffee 09.34.22 # crop: Well, the other aspect of pitch is that it's really "playback speed", it's just the dirtiest method of adjusting it, also increasing the pitch. 09.34.28 # "coffee" the most common drug (narcotic) nowadays :P 09.34.53 # * petur whispers ID and VBUS to Linus :) 09.34.58 # XavierGr: which capacitor is it, and what do you want to know? 09.35.10 # Is it the only DJ aimed fature? I've heard something about sound effects (echo and such) 09.35.31 # petur: exactly what do you want to find out? 09.35.41 # But I don't think RB is a full geared sound machine, and it isn't also the intention 09.35.48 # crop: There is the possibility of other DSP effects. 09.36.11 Quit Lynx_ (" Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 09.36.15 # Llorean: where would they sit if implemented (menu wise?) 09.36.25 # crop: Probably a DSP plugin. 09.36.44 # this isnt going to work :'( have to put the icon sizes in config.h 09.36.49 # Llorean: then the pitch screen should also go there IMHO 09.36.50 # LinusN: if the portpinassignment page is correct: is ID really only connected to that pin, and how is VBUS generated: by the ISP1362 or by an external chargepump 09.37.13 # crop: The pitch screen is useful for audiobooks and other uses. 09.37.19 # Llorean: ...as it's a simple DSP effect 09.37.22 # JdGordon: that's probably _one way_ yes, but not the only alternative 09.37.34 # builzip can do just about anything you want to figure it out 09.37.54 # Linus: http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/4945/h300frontbg2.jpg 09.37.54 # * petur will bring his usbotg code to devcon for some h300 hacking :) 09.38.25 # Linus: I just want to know if the USB OTG casing is short circuited with the capacitor in the circle 09.38.34 # that's a diode 09.38.42 # ah... well 09.39.01 # B4gder: I tried to get it to read apps/gui/icon.h but it kept trying to include screen_access.h (even if I manually define _SCREEN_ACCESS_H_ ) any ideas how to get around that? 09.39.04 Quit Farp () 09.39.12 # from the picture it seems it isn't but I just want to be sure 09.39.49 # JdGordon: I don't have the details in front of me, but it sounds like you're on the right track 09.40.32 # XavierGr: it is not 09.40.34 # Llorean: ok. But it's still a DSP effect. We could introduce a DSP filter (a sequence of DSPs). And even save them (the names). This could be a general platform for DSP's. But it's probably a story for the future. 09.40.37 Quit joa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.40.53 # I would check if it is a bitmap lcd, then include the correct file(s) and scan for the size(s) in the output 09.40.58 # Linus: thought so, thanks 09.41.06 # I was too silly to touch that part 09.41.07 # I only asked because everyone talks much about binary size and removing unneeded features 09.41.25 # now I wonder how I will manage to take the solder out with that damn solder pump I have 09.41.39 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 09.41.44 # crop: that's mostly an issue for the hwcodec targets and they can't have dsp effects anyway 09.41.45 # crop: Not removing unneeded features. 09.41.59 # crop: Not duplicating existing features, or adding features that are larger than they need to be. 09.42.00 # (the size issue I mean) 09.42.12 # but I won't open it again, next time I will wait for working USB OTG on rockbox to be able to disable overcurrent protection from the USB OTG chip 09.45.01 Quit GodEater (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.45.19 # B4gder: does it just run through the preproccessor? so I cant get enum values back? 09.45.21 Join GodEater [0] (n=bryan@host-83-146-13-117.bulldogdsl.com) 09.46.04 # JdGordon: yes, it only preprocesses it. But you could extend that if you really have to. Are the sizes enums?? 09.46.44 # no, the icon count is at the end of an enum, which I need to get the hieght 09.47.04 # ah 09.47.05 # but if its easier, ill just change it to a #define in config.h 09.47.35 # if you have a define for it, it'll be a lot easier to get using the preprocess approach 09.48.09 # I'll do it as a default unless a target config defines it manually 09.48.32 Quit crop ("CGI:IRC") 09.50.13 Join joa [0] (i=joe@host86-137-251-62.range86-137.btcentralplus.com) 09.52.15 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 09.52.39 Quit petur ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 09.53.46 Quit midgey () 09.55.03 # is apps/plugins/bitmaps/viewer_defaults/ an OK place to store the default bmps for the viewer icons? 09.55.26 # think so 09.56.32 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 09.59.19 Quit Br3nda (Remote closed the connection) 10.05.53 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host113-205-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 10.07.42 # ok, build script fixed up, any last complaints before commit? 10.08.31 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-28650f122fb13da5) 10.08.39 # JdGordon: i think the only complaints you will get are about binary size 10.08.58 # heh 10.08.59 # * JdGordon can live with that :) 10.09.04 # * B4gder has no opinions as he's not keeping up with the details 10.09.06 # I was thinking code wise... but ok 10.09.19 # Yeah, I haven't even tried the patch yet. So I'll refrain from commenting. :) 10.09.27 # i wonder if we could even disable loadable icons on the archos targets 10.09.47 # .. this is how we all got stuck into mmmm last night... 10.09.55 # LinusN: I don't see any reason not to disable them. 10.10.05 # LinusN: meh, they barely take up space in the bin... 10.10.28 # what's a few KB anyway :p 10.10.30 # +1kbyte according to the FS entry 10.10.50 # thats more the inbuilt bmp's which have to be there anyway 10.10.58 # I mean there's only what, 16.7 million possible 1bpp icons? 10.11.07 Quit flyinghippo (Connection timed out) 10.11.10 # No, wait. 10.11.12 # That's wrong. 10.11.13 # ill comment out the customizable code and see how it affects it 10.11.14 # Ignore me 10.12.46 # JdGordon: can't you just not show any icons if the bmp's aren't found? 10.12.56 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 10.13.47 # petur: ? we have to hardcode some icons... thats what svn does now anyway 10.14.54 # we could do without if the loadable ones aren't there, no? 10.16.00 # well, we dont use viewers.config anymore to load a viewer icon, so, if everyone is happy to have the ? icon for all files supported by viewers.config then the loading can be removed.. otherwise its too hard to split the coed 10.16.13 # and not worth it, seen as the viewers.bmp file needs to be loaded anyway 10.16.39 # I'd show no icon at all, not a ? 10.17.06 # well, currently no icon means we dont support the filetype 10.18.06 # no loadable icons found => no icons to see at all 10.19.30 # JdGordon: Forgive me for being late to the game, but does the loadable icons patch not potentially reduce the cods size? If someone doesn't want icons, there's no need for ANY to be in memory (loaded or fixed)... 10.19.42 # brb 10.21.13 # pondlife: no, because we still compile in a default set of icons 10.21.20 # Why? 10.21.35 # Oh i forgot to mention this but rockbox got a mention in one of Australia largest computing Magazines 10.21.36 # we _could_ load all 40 odd icons from bmps, but having a built in set is better 10.21.43 # hen3rz_: which one? 10.21.49 # APC 10.21.53 # Hmm, seems simpler to only load icons. 10.22.15 # I mean, if I want to use nice colour icons, why waste memory on the mono ones? 10.22.30 # Or indeed, if I decide not to show icons. 10.22.40 # They listed it as like a firmware replacement for MP3 Players 10.22.43 # Could actually gain a bit of audio buffer 10.22.51 # and gave a bit of a spin on it 10.23.03 # hen3rz_: cool 10.23.29 # pondlife: I was persuaded very early on to use a static buffer, not dynamic... but yeah, they could disable the image buffer easily 10.24.06 # Seems wasteful to me to have fixed default icons, that's all. 10.24.24 # So is the icon buffer size fixed, or user-configurable? 10.24.29 # fixed 10.24.29 # Or fixed at load time 10.24.39 # fixed at compile time 10.24.47 # So with a tiny set of icons there is some waste 10.25.16 # yes 10.26.04 Nick qwx is now known as qwm (n=qwm@h162n1fls34o1010.telia.com) 10.26.19 # Can the iconset be changed through the UI now - the version I tried required that the CFG file was edited. 10.26.36 # no, you have to use the cfg... keeps the ui neater and bin size down 10.26.50 # pondlife: Just create a theme that just loads your iconset, when you create the icons. 10.27.21 Join roolku [0] (n=roolku@82-41-2-141.cable.ubr01.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 10.27.26 # I was thinking it would be reasonable to size the buffer at load time... if the buffer isn't big enough, then prompt the user to reboot. 10.27.34 # Llorean: did ou come up with a better char than m for the icons file? 10.27.54 # pondlife: I started doing that, but was forcibly changed to static buffer :D 10.27.59 # Pity 10.28.01 # JdGordon: Not really. I would like maybe _ rather than a letter, but I'm not sure how others would feel about it. :) 10.28.10 # * pondlife rates spare audio buffer above a nice UI 10.28.17 # pondlife: You shouldn't have to reboot to load themes. 10.28.19 # Llorean: # or $ ? 10.28.41 # Llorean: Well if it frees up buffer then why not? Themes aren't changed very often.. 10.28.46 # JdGordon: # tends to denote comments (in the WPS and Tagnavi already, so it may confuse) 10.28.57 # pondlife: You might be surprised. A lot of people change them way too often (imho) 10.29.00 # I mean, who seriously changes their icons more than once a month. 10.29.13 # Llorean: @ ? 10.29.17 # This is an audio player... 10.29.22 # pondlife: themers... 10.29.32 # JdGordon: I honestly don't like a character at all, really, as I said. :) I won't object though. 10.29.34 # Well a reboot is hardly difficult. 10.29.42 # hehe ok 10.30.04 # If it could give a simple dynamic buffer that doesn't waste space then it's surely worthwhile. 10.30.15 # pondlife: Surely? 10.30.22 # IMHO :) 10.30.31 # pondlife: How often, on average, would you say you skip a song? 10.30.48 # Not often, about 1 in 6 tracks maybe 10.30.49 # LinusN: B4gder: http://rafb.net/p/4q7TNL16.html is the diff for buildzip.pl if you want to make sure its OK? 10.31.05 # pondlife: 1 in 6 tracks is probably more damage to your battery life than this patch. 10.31.12 # pondlife: which target do you use? 10.31.13 # But any loss of audio buffer will have a proportional effect. 10.31.16 # H340 10.31.28 # pondlife: You're flushing several MB of audio data, rather than maybe 300 bytes. 10.31.42 # ok, so its got a fairly lare buffer... but its has 29MB of audio buffer... its not really wasting much 10.31.53 Join SliMM [0] (n=chatzill@89.136.181.105) 10.31.56 # JdGordon: no complaints 10.31.56 # Hmm, I thought I lost about 0.5MB when I tried the patch 10.31.56 # pondlife: Here's a tip 10.32.23 # And... what about the Archos targets? 10.32.25 # pondlife: Make your playlists, then set the "max files in folder" to the absolute minimum to recover that memory, and that can make up for the static sized buffer. 10.32.48 # Llorean: I tend to use a single playlist of all tracks. 22000 10.33.02 # I don't wish to change that. 10.33.07 # I didn't say to change that 10.33.17 # I said to change the "Max files in folder" option (and related options) 10.33.22 # Well, I already have set my playlist and folder size 10.33.24 # s 10.33.34 # Do you have the folder size set at the minimum? 10.33.45 # Yes, for me. 500. 10.33.46 # * petur once tried random playback of all his songs and felt the different music styles didn't quite fit 10.33.51 # pondlife: 500 is not the minimum 10.33.58 # It is for my root folder :) 10.34.08 # pondlife: Then you're wasting more RAM than this patch should. 10.34.23 # pondlife: Organize your folders so you can set it lower, and you can recover buffer space. 10.34.23 # which is better: using bitmaps or drawing smth by code? 10.34.31 # Yes, but I need that to play audio. I don't even have icons displayed normally. 10.34.43 # pondlife: Or just set it lower. If you've already created a playlist, and you only use it, you don't need to be able to see the whole folder (those limits don't keep the playlist from working) 10.34.45 Part LinusN 10.34.45 Quit grndslm (Connection reset by peer) 10.35.02 # pondlife: You need a 500 folder root to play audio? You can't organize it? 10.35.18 # No, I choose to have an artist/album structure 10.35.26 # It has served me well for many years 10.35.44 # So, your point is "I'm not willing to make a simple change to recover audio buffer, but you should make other people have to restart their player to change to bigger icons" 10.36.00 # No. My point is this should be dynamic. 10.36.15 # And we told you, dynamic would require restarting the player for larger icons. 10.36.24 # Honestly, why would somebody change to bigger icons more than once a day 10.36.47 # A reboot is absolutely trivial. 10.36.47 # Honestly, why wouldn't someone divide their Artists up by Letter? 10.36.54 # A reboot is "annoying" to most users. 10.37.08 # To you maybe 10.37.14 # yeah, browsing through "themes" will be very painful 10.37.15 # I don't see the stats. 10.37.19 # if we require reboots 10.37.28 # windows users are used to it :p 10.37.34 # OK, you win.. 10.37.44 # pondlife: My point is, why aren't YOU willing to accept a little annoyance? 10.37.45 # * pondlife grumbles in his corner 10.37.49 # You say "Others should" not "I will" 10.37.52 # No 10.37.55 # Organize your folders by letter 10.38.14 # That's not a little annoyance, that's pretty fundamental to the way I organise my PC and DAPs 10.38.16 # grrr... bloody rec screen! 10.38.23 # pondlife: I don't think it's fundamental 10.38.32 # pondlife: It means you can scroll to where you want to be much quicker. Better efficiency 10.38.41 # It's a matter of opinion 10.38.42 # JdGordon: can you change the "Save Theme Settings" to include the icon set? 10.38.45 # Yes 10.38.52 # pondlife: The point is, you want to impose your opinion on others 10.38.56 # Not at all. 10.38.58 # pondlife: And you won't accept my opinion imposed on you. 10.39.02 # roolku: they should be in that file... 10.39.03 # pondlife: You want to impose it on me. 10.39.05 # No 10.39.10 # Yes 10.39.12 # :) 10.39.18 # OK, why not make it configurable 10.39.19 # You said that *I* should accept having my player need to reboot to choose larger icons. 10.39.23 # No, 10.39.28 # Yes, you did. 10.39.34 # We haven't committed the patch yet :p 10.39.41 # * scorche gives Llorean and pondlife each a set of boxing gloves 10.39.47 # What does whether it's committed or not have to do with it. 10.40.00 # You said that it should be dynamic, which requires a reboot for size changes. 10.40.07 # Not necessarily 10.40.13 # Why not make it configurable too? 10.40.18 # Make what configurable? 10.40.19 # i.e. part of the theme 10.40.35 # what a silly idea 10.40.40 # OK 10.40.42 # pondlife: What "it" should be made configurable? 10.40.46 # You've not given a noun to associate it with. 10.40.56 # Unless you mean "it" as "whether you need to reboot" 10.41.18 # * pondlife waves white flag 10.41.38 # anyone know which file the recording screen is in? 10.41.44 # ...and runs back to release 2.5 10.41.55 # JdGordon: apps/recorder/recording.c 10.42.08 # bah, thanks, forgot about recorder/ 10.42.10 # pondlife: It's just your argument makes no sense. Why not argue for dynamic buffers for Plugins, WPSes, and the voice codec while you're at it? 10.42.15 # Yes, 10.42.23 # Which requires malloc, or reboots 10.42.25 # oh no... 10.42.35 # * petur hides under a rock 10.42.35 # They should all be dynamic ideally 10.42.41 # But no malloc argument from me 10.42.43 # pondlife: Figure out how without malloc or reboots then. 10.43.10 # Well, I don't actually see the problem with reboots.... personally, but as you said that is subjective.. 10.43.23 # I don't see the problem with organizing your music properly (by my standard) 10.43.29 # If you hate it so much that you don't mind wasting audio buffer then fine. 10.44.07 # Well, I can reorganise my music if you so choose - but I would still want to maximise audio buffer. 10.44.28 # pondlife: You aren't right now 10.44.31 # Why start? 10.44.56 # I'm talking about the general principle. 10.45.26 # Rockbox's architecture assumes static buffers. 10.45.29 # #1 KISS = good, #2 more audio buffer = good 10.45.48 # pondlife: Prove the latter, thanks. 10.45.50 # And #0 stability = good 10.45.58 # More audio buffer is ONLY good if you have certain listening habits. 10.46.01 # rec screen doesnt use the UI font :'( 10.46.04 # Llorean: You don't use an Archos recorder 10.46.08 # pondlife: Yes, I do. 10.46.14 # ? 10.46.29 # Sorry didn't get the ? in... I wasn't asserting that 10.46.37 # jdGordon: it's waiting for a WRS 10.46.39 # But the point is, more audio buffer on the majority of our targets is bad under certain listening habits. 10.47.08 # For "browsers", more audio buffer is worse. 10.47.14 # JdGordon even 10.47.37 # enums default to ints right? 10.47.37 # While it is ideal to keep as much free as possible, nitpicking over a few kilobytes because we're using a static buffer is ridiculous. 10.47.39 # Hmm, so our buffering algorithm has a weakness. 10.47.51 # JdGordon: yes 10.47.52 # * pondlife is officially ridiculous 10.47.55 # Our buffering algorithm fills the buffer with what's coming up next. 10.47.57 # petur: ok ta 10.48.00 # I know 10.48.09 # That's a strength if the user follows one listening habit 10.48.13 # And a weakness following another. 10.48.38 # And you can't make one that favours both, one way would sacrifice the other. 10.48.38 # So you are saying that for a "browser" we shouldn't bother reading so much stuff - and could perhaps save disk power? 10.49.13 # You can't really do anything for a browser. 10.49.19 # Exactly. 10.50.05 # So focus on improving for the non-browser, whilst not making things worse for the browser. 10.50.30 # Anyway, you won 10.50.52 # You reorganized your music? ;) 10.50.54 # No 10.51.00 # rofl 10.51.13 # But I shall carry on not trying to worry about buffer space (until amiconn mentions it) :) 10.51.24 # That should give me 2 days of happines 10.51.24 # s 10.51.48 # I should add that I really want to see loadable icons committed. 10.52.51 # pondlife: At 1bpp, a buffer for 32 loadable icons is 18k I believe. 10.53.24 # OK, so that should basically be the same size as the default icons used before, right? 10.53.32 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 10.54.01 # Well now you have defaults + maximum number of tagnavi icons, I believe. 10.54.09 # So, defaults + 32, I think? 10.54.10 # Llorean: ?? Should be far less 10.54.11 # * Llorean doesn't know. 10.54.21 # amiconn: 24x24x32x1? 10.54.30 # OK, fair enough if we gain functionalilty. 10.54.40 # You forgot /8 10.54.47 # 1bpp is bits, not bytes 10.54.47 # Ah 10.54.53 # Yes, I completely forgot 8 10.54.54 # Or /8 10.55.05 # So, 2.25k 10.56.04 # For those interested B4gder, JdGordon Here are some links to the article: http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p169/hen3rz/APC_Mag_May_2007_02.jpg , http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p169/hen3rz/APC_Mag_May_2007_01.jpg 10.56.13 # cheers 10.56.17 # Thanks 10.56.56 # Woops i linked the first page second sorry 10.57.36 Quit cadu ("Fui embora") 10.57.38 # they recommend 150mb free space! 10.57.40 # wtf? 10.57.54 # Hahaha yeah i was wondering the same 10.58.11 # to make room for 10 downloaded copies! ;-P 10.58.24 # Better safe than sorry!! 10.58.34 # JdGordon: Doom, Doom 2, TNT, Plutionia, Freedoom, it all adds up. :-P 10.58.43 # yeah, it's not very likely to be a problem to people anyway 10.58.54 # well, besides that and the outdated installation instructions, it seems to be a decent article 10.58.57 # Llorean: Btw, malloc or reboot aren't the only alternatives 10.59.08 # amiconn: Use the plugin buffer? 10.59.15 # * JdGordon has no idea how the rec screen draws its icons... so commits and hopes noone notices 10.59.16 # You can stop playback 10.59.23 # and resize the audio buffer. 10.59.35 # causing mem leaks 10.59.40 # hrm?...they call the connector from the HD to the ipod IDE.. 10.59.43 # In the past an idea showed up several times to implement a way to re-alloc all dynamic allocations from the buffer 11.00.05 # amiconn: I really wouldn't mind just having to stop playback at all. 11.00.21 # Yes, that would need to happen, but no reboot 11.00.29 # * Llorean would be all for that. 11.00.48 # amiconn: nice work on moving all the SH1 stuff to target tree 11.00.56 # * JdGordon doesnt like that idea so much 11.00.57 # markun: It's not yet finished 11.01.04 # Erm, I should have been much more precise earlier... for "reboot" I was actually thinking of stopping/restarting playback... 11.01.19 # JdGordon: Would you mind if I just close your patch for moving the archos player to target tree? 11.01.20 # Still it's early Monday morning here :( 11.01.41 # It's superseded by the all-archos move except power.c now 11.01.56 # amiconn: no, go for it 11.02.10 # amiconn: after that it's mainly the pnx0101 stuff which needs moving, right? 11.02.11 Join Entasis [0] (n=Jarred@ppp173-79.lns11.adl2.internode.on.net) 11.02.32 # pondlife: See, "reboot" to me means "Spend 3-5 seconds holding poweroff, release, and then hold it for 2 more, then wait 7" on the gigabeat (as a worst case) 11.02.48 # Since RoLo doesn't work yet, and the power button takes a while, and the flash loader takes a while... etc. 11.02.56 # power.c will follow soon. I was hoping to do that in conjunction with a powermgmt cleanup, but that probably won't happen just now. Too many other pending stuff atm 11.02.57 # Of course, on the Nano, it's like, 2.5 seconds 11.03.12 # Perhaps I'll work a little bit on runcurrent() for the targets I have though 11.03.37 # markun: That, and it looks like some s3c2440 stuff isn't moved (iirc) 11.03.42 # Yup. I've only used H340 and Archos Recorder. Both of those are pretty quick starters. 11.04.23 # amiconn: oh, oops 11.04.24 # pondlife: Even if archoses boot quick there's an annoyance in having to reboot, at least for targets with rombox 11.04.44 # No problem. See my later comment... I meant "restart playback". 11.04.57 # pondlife: Rebooting on the Gigabeat leaves me plenty of spare time to get other things done. Taxes, cleaning the apartment, you name it. :) 11.05.03 # lol 11.05.04 # If you want to continue running from rom you can't just rolo, you need to shut down + restart. And first disconnect the charger if it's connected 11.05.32 # So.. the reason my tax return was late was that I didn't do enough rebooting... 11.05.39 # haha 11.07.10 # JdGordon: Whereabouts do the loaded icons fit into http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxMemoryLayout ? 11.07.38 # After cuesheet buffer? 11.07.56 # pondlife: static buffer... at compile time... 11.08.17 # Yes, but where in memory? 11.08.33 # wherever gcc puts them 11.08.54 # static unsigned char icon_buffer[IMG_BUFSIZE][NB_SCREENS]; 11.09.01 # OK 11.09.11 # petur: I wonder about your DevCon2007 edit. I am unaware of any target that doesn't build... (except the pending ones linuxstb keeps forgetting about ;) ) 11.09.12 # So part of the binary size 11.09.22 # amiconn: iFP? 11.09.30 # I know someone tried recently and said it failed. 11.09.56 # pondlife: bss isn't part of the binary size 11.10.10 # amiconn: I meant the binary size issue some builds have 11.10.35 # does anyone know what's the latest appleos for nano 1g? 11.10.38 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 11.10.58 # a little bit off topic here, but i dunno where else i can ask 11.11.08 # amiconn: Maybe it should be included in the delta table if possible? 11.11.13 # holy crap! power problem at uni today, put to electrical contractors into hospital when they went to check the problem :( 11.11.19 # Stalwart: Apple tells you their version numbers with their updates... 11.11.31 # i don't have windows and itunes 11.11.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.11.34 # i use rockbox 11.11.40 # ^_^ 11.12.05 # It's on their website 11.12.12 # But if you don't intend to use it, it's rather irrelevant. 11.12.12 # oh, where? 11.12.25 # I don't know, I just know I've seen it before. Try searching a bit. 11.12.51 # one of many reasons to switch to rockbox for me was bug in 1.3 firmware - nano didn't turn off 11.13.08 # is there (or will the be) a schedule or the rough times devcon ppl would be ttalking about different topics? 11.13.20 # * JdGordon would like to attend over skype for some discussion 11.14.11 # oooo...that is a good idea 11.14.20 # skype + webcam 11.14.56 Join brun0_ [0] (n=brun0_@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 11.15.10 # B4gder: would skype be possible? 11.15.17 Join inversions [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 11.15.19 # Stalwart: ipods generally don't turn off, they just go into standby 11.15.20 # I remember you had a webcam last year setup 11.15.39 # Yep, but 2 way links would be great 11.16.20 # does skype allow you to have a video conference?....i know it will let you have an audio conference 11.16.34 # SliMM: mine didn't go even to standby 11.16.34 # not sure if more than 2 can stream video though.. 11.16.36 # * JdGordon doesnt have a webcam.. so only need voice :p 11.16.58 # if this works it tempts me to buy a webcam ... 11.17.01 # scorche: skype allows video conversations 11.17.05 # stalwart: ok :) anyway, rockbox is far better 11.17.07 # windows and mac versions 11.17.18 # Stalwart: i know it does...i said that...but a conference? 11.17.30 # scorche: yes, conference 11.17.40 # afaik... 11.17.44 # * Stalwart gone to check 11.17.48 # hrm....2 others with skype and a webcam willing to test? ;) 11.17.51 # i use linux version, no video here ;[ 11.18.10 # * petur votes for gizmo 11.18.18 # first hit on google says yes 11.18.27 # google talk rules anyway ;) 11.18.31 # xmpp ftw! 11.19.10 # regardless, a voice only conference would be desired =) 11.19.31 # Yep, voice conference + webcam out for all... 11.19.42 # can google talk do video conferences? 11.19.50 # afaik it can with latest versions 11.19.56 # * JdGordon keeps that saturday night free :p 11.20.48 # xmpp sounds better than skype ;-) 11.21.07 # it doesnt matter to me as long as it works 11.21.59 # isnt xmpp text only though? 11.22.17 # xmpp is extensible only :) 11.22.24 # it's used for the connection setup iirc 11.22.26 # xmpp works quite well for chatting ... and google talk uses it ;-) 11.22.49 # libjingle implements voice calls over xmpp 11.22.52 # afaik it uses RTP anyway but replaces SIP with xmpp / jingle 11.23.39 # well, point is, be ready for a few conference calls (it is already decided...you are doing it B4gder ;) 11.24.02 # * scorche moves behind bluebrother 11.24.18 # why behind me? 11.24.24 # * bluebrother starts to fear ... 11.24.28 # because you are there! 11.24.33 # damn. 11.25.06 # binsize results are in .... 11.25.09 # xmpp is very nice, but next few years skype will rule VoIP 11.25.50 # * petur removed skype as their stupid masternode was eating all his bandwidth 11.26.06 # woah. Quite red deltas ... 11.26.36 # petur: just restart skype every ~6 hours and you won't get supernode status ;) 11.26.40 # maybe the deltas should use more different colors. Dark red for delta > 500 bytes or so ;) 11.27.10 Join Llorea1 [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 11.27.13 Quit Llorea1 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.28.45 # Compared to what it does, the deltas are ok. Not nice, but ok :/ 11.29.03 Join Br3nda [0] (n=brenda@121-73-1-165.cable.telstraclear.net) 11.29.17 # 500bytes isnt bad :) 11.29.36 # or 4800 on h300 11.29.38 # JdGordon: did you forget to set some svn properties? The bitmaps aren't shown correctly with viewvc 11.29.52 # Wow this custom icon thing will be pretty cool 11.30.05 # i asked the other day about adding them correctly and was told you dont need to do anything special 11.30.12 Join Llorea1 [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 11.30.15 # It's ~1K on all bitmap archoses. The binsizes for recorder are misleading 11.30.27 # bluebrother: can you fix them for me please? /me going back to dinner 11.30.50 # afaik you need to set the properties yourself unless you enabled autoprops 11.30.54 # can do that. 11.32.35 # JdGordon: strange, svn tells me they are set. Maybe it's just viewvc choking around 11.33.19 # thought it should cope with that as it works fine with the png images in the manual 11.34.04 # Why does the e200 have the worst delta? 11.34.04 # ok, it _is_ viewvc to blame. Sorry for causing confusion. 11.34.18 # Llorea1: I guess because of the mi4 thing 11.34.24 # I thought the X5 and H300 would be the worst due to their color screens plus LCD remote. 11.34.58 # bluebrother: But it added 700 more to the e200 than any other MI4 target... 11.35.01 # * Llorea1 shrugs 11.35.09 Quit Llorean (Nick collision from services.) 11.35.12 Nick Llorea1 is now known as Llorean (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 11.35.15 # * bluebrother is just guessing :P 11.35.26 # It could very well be, but it seems curious to me. 11.37.14 # * Llorean sees no icons. 11.37.24 # Llorean: I didn't either till I changed theme 11.37.31 # that seemed to force them to draw 11.38.35 Quit SliMM (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.38.36 # anyone in here who speaks Russian? 11.38.54 # GodEater: Ah, I detect a MAJOR problem. 11.39.12 # The default icons are black and white, but they aren't treated as "mono" 11.39.18 # IE, they don't match the font color. 11.39.25 # No icons for me, because I've a black background 11.39.58 # ah same here 11.40.02 # I *was* using cabbie 11.40.18 # I was using a slightly modified cabbie. :) 11.40.19 # switched to something with a light background and then they became visisble 11.43.59 # same deal in 7words, the icons are only barely visible 11.44.06 # dark blue background 11.46.44 Join qwx [0] (n=qwm@h162n1fls34o1010.telia.com) 11.46.45 Join crop [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c9f9322508129161) 11.47.47 Quit midgey () 11.47.59 # Why is #define NOICON Icon_NOICON (icon.h:27 and :30) repeated? To be easier to chnge in the future? 11.49.08 # There is also a typo in the comment icon.h:35. Is it cmp or bmp? 11.50.30 # JdGordon: Currently the default iconset doesn't change with the font color. IMHO this is very bad. 11.51.03 # * GodEater agrees with Llorean 11.52.12 Join moos [0] (i=moos@m135.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 11.53.15 # Llorean: they dont? 11.53.28 # JdGordon: Nope 11.53.39 # JdGordon: You made them bitmap native instead of bitmap mono, I assume 11.55.02 # Also, the first image in my viewers bmp is being used for my playlists, even though my .icons file actually never references image 0. 11.55.41 # JdGordon: nice work, looks great here with aliask's icons 11.56.12 # Llorean: one thing at a time :p 11.57.02 Quit Javva (Remote closed the connection) 11.57.03 # JdGordon: When you're ready, I have a bit of minor breakage to report too... 11.57.30 # * JdGordon thinks transparent_bitmap_part doesnt do the forground coolour changing... 11.57.37 # pondlife: shoot, i was beign silly 11.57.42 # JdGordon: It's never supposed to 11.57.53 # JdGordon: If you need a transparent bitmap, that means it's not Mono, and only Mono does foreground/background 11.58.00 # so we either have black icons, or colour and purple 11.58.09 # make install on a sim build gives an error: "cp: cannot stat ./home/Steve/rockbox/apps/plugins/bitmaps/viewer_defaults/remote_viewers.6x6x1.bmp': 11.58.09 # No such file or directory" 11.58.23 # 6x6? 11.58.31 # Yep! 11.58.39 # I thought that was odd too 11.58.54 # This is an H300 simulator 11.59.11 # bah, fixed 11.59.47 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.59.56 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3081.gwdg.de) 12.00.05 # Llorean: can you put your icons file up somewhere? and the bmp you use? 12.00.52 # JdGordon: I used elisherers with the m3u entry removed from the .icons file 12.01.25 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 12.01.27 # what does "wav,viewers/wavplay,*0" in viewer.config mean? (I assume - is no icon?) 12.01.44 # Llorean: did you replace the 'b' with * ? 12.01.58 # roolku: it means use the first icon in the main set instead of the viewers iconset 12.02.09 # just a little build question: there is a way to tell configure that i want the normal ipod nano build from the command line? 12.02.14 # JdGordon: I removed the line entirely. 12.02.33 # JdGordon: Did you consider making icon sets have an .icn extension, and allowing the iconset to be configured in a similar way to fonts 12.02.53 # pondlife: how do you mean? 12.03.07 # JdGordon: considering that there are 3 different entries for wav (-, *0 and 10) which one is going to be used? 12.03.15 # i.e. allow browsing to a file to set the current icons? 12.03.26 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.03.44 # FWIW Browsing to Eli's BMP files actually crashes the sim at the moment... 12.04.03 # roolku: none :D wav is inbuilt, so that number is ignored completly 12.04.44 # JdGordon: how very intuitive :) 12.04.52 # JdGordon: I think there are problems with changing from one iconset to another perhaps. 12.05.10 # Yes 12.05.21 # I am seeing odd heights when changing... 12.05.48 # JdGordon: I'm seeing Audio files (MP3, flac) showing my playlist icon for some reason, now. 12.06.41 # And this was after I manually added an m3u line back into the .icons file, and reloaded the theme 12.07.25 # your one up on me... Im not getting any icon shown for my mp3s... this was all working before :'( 12.07.39 # * JdGordon wonders what he changed in the last 2 hours 12.07.42 # JdGordon: It looks like built in filetypes aren't working. 12.09.58 # JdGordon: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm *not* supposed to be able to change, say, MP3 with my .icons file? 12.10.01 # hmm... something broke the icons file handlign 12.10.36 # Llorean: you are supposed to be allowed to 12.10.36 # Ah 12.10.37 # The problem seems to be if you have it in the icons file, then load one without it. 12.10.41 # well, it sort of happened that way, i didnt add extra code to allow it :) 12.11.05 # Can someone else do a quick check for me with a SVN build...? i.e. not icon-related, so don't want to distract JDGordon... 12.11.18 # If I have mp3 at the beginning, then remove it, mp3 gets to share an icon with something else, it seems 12.12.27 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@dslb-088-072-220-106.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.12.57 # Llorean: Do you have a copy of Eli's custom_icons.16x16x16.bmp (or 6x8x16) on your DAP? 12.13.39 # 16x16x16 12.14.01 # OK, just try browsing to the BMP file and selecting it. 12.14.05 # What happens? 12.14.19 # He-he. We now have the time of great delta commits 12.14.47 # when was we-want-rombox-back-time scheduled again? ;-) 12.14.48 # pondlife: "Can't open" and then some garbage 12.15.25 # pondlife: It's trying to open something in /.rockbox/rocks/ 12.15.35 # Llorean: OK, I get a segfault in filetype_get_plugin 12.15.53 # In snprintf to be precise. 12.16.01 # pondlife: Have you tried opening a .txt? 12.16.07 # Nope, good idea 12.16.33 # * Llorean doesn't have one on his player 12.16.45 # COPYING.txt? 12.17.05 # Okay, I didn't *think* I had one 12.17.26 # Seems to work ok 12.17.32 # Yep 12.17.36 # So it's just the bitmap viewer? 12.17.49 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 12.17.52 # Maybe try some other bitmaps? 12.18.22 # pondlife: No bitmaps seem to work 12.18.27 # OK 12.18.29 # but rockpaint runs fine on its own 12.19.04 # Icons slightly bigger than the font size actually look kinda cool 12.19.20 # They overlap but it doesn't look horrible. 12.19.34 # Now, if I didn't have to have a .icons file that included very filetype on my player... 12.21.33 # pondlife: i have a sneaking feeling this has been broken since i redid filetypes.c 12.21.44 Join Javva [0] (n=atul@203.199.117.81) 12.22.18 # JdGordon: Why does just .bmp get the shaft though? 12.22.50 # JdGordon: It's not a new bug today 12.22.50 # because its the only one that is built in but not handled by onplay.c 12.22.58 # Aaaah 12.23.06 # * pondlife loves special cases :( 12.23.25 # Well, if we removed the ability to manually set backdrops, it would go away wouldn't it? 12.23.26 # :-P 12.23.43 # it would... but ill fix the problem properly 12.23.51 # just want to fix these icons 12.24.04 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12.24.15 # Is it a sensible idea to browse to an .iconset file? 12.24.24 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 12.24.30 # (or whatever extension you choose) 12.24.44 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b9bdc.ucd.ie) 12.24.47 # its a .cfg :) 12.24.53 # True! 12.26.31 Join barrywardell_ [0] (n=barry@dhcp-892b9ade.ucd.ie) 12.26.55 Join gtkspert_ [0] (n=gtkspert@gateless.info) 12.33.43 Join elinenbe [0] (n=elinenbe@207-237-225-94.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 12.35.24 # * JdGordon thinks about removing ctrl-c/v from my system 12.40.35 Join safetydan [0] (n=dan@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 12.40.36 Quit gtkspert (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.41.27 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@unaffiliated/funky) 12.49.05 Quit inversions (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12.51.22 # JdGordon, pondlife: That happens when doing steps out of order... 12.51.36 # which? 12.51.47 # Bitmap drawing will soon auto-select mono/native depending on the bitmap, but not just yet 12.52.02 # * amiconn is referring to the black-on-black icons 12.52.03 # ah, great 12.52.45 # JdGordon: Just a hint regarding wavplay. .wav files are supposed to have a different icon than the audio files supported by the core on hwcodec 12.53.40 # ok, the wavplay icon isnt using the inbuilt icon anymore 12.53.41 # amiconn: ? What's it got to do with me? ;p 12.54.03 # Just for info, as you pointed out the problem 12.54.52 Join PaulJam_ [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3082.gwdg.de) 12.54.53 # I didn't... I spotted the broken BMP, but Llorean spotted the mono/native stuff 12.55.15 # Anyway, I'm no longer confused so will make the most of it 12.57.29 Quit crop ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 13.00.08 Quit PaulJam (Nick collision from services.) 13.00.14 Nick PaulJam_ is now known as PaulJam (n=pauljam@vpn-3082.gwdg.de) 13.00.17 Join inversions [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 13.01.29 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 13.01.33 Part B4gder 13.02.15 # Llorean: im not 100% i fixed the problem but i cant work on it any more untill later tonight 13.02.21 Join Stalwart^ [0] (n=stalwart@ip-10.154.Home-Lan.fastnet.lv) 13.04.10 Quit barrywardell () 13.04.20 # JdGordon: No proper default icons for main lcd grayscale? 13.05.12 # grey is using b+w untill someone comes along with some skill... 13.05.16 # * JdGordon busy for next while 13.05.57 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b9bdc.ucd.ie) 13.07.07 Quit barrywardell (Client Quit) 13.08.37 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b9bdc.ucd.ie) 13.09.25 # JdGordon: Warnings, and not an okay one. 13.09.53 Join Stalwart_ [0] (n=stalwart@ip-10.154.Home-Lan.fastnet.lv) 13.10.28 Quit barrywardell (Client Quit) 13.11.06 # there is already an "official" plave where to put icon themes? 13.11.17 # *place 13.11.22 # spiorf: No. 13.11.24 # CustomIcons when someone fixes it up to look nice :p 13.11.32 # JdGordon: You've got a warning to fix 13.11.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.11.38 # I think you did == NULL instead of == false, but I'm not sure 13.11.49 # no i did viewer instead of plugin 13.11.53 # Ah 13.11.53 # same diff :p 13.11.57 # I was close. 13.11.59 # :-P 13.12.05 # * JdGordon really really gone.. or gonna fail this assingment 13.12.23 Nick JdGordon is now known as Jd|NOT (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 13.12.29 Nick Jd|NOT is now known as Jd|NOT_HERE (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 13.13.36 # amiconn: If a 24-bit bitmap is loaded on a 1-bit display, is it reduced to 1-bit (though it'd look mostly quite bad) or will it cause problems other than looking bad? 13.14.08 Quit Stalwart (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.14.22 # The bmp loader always converts to native depth (or mono if requested - that's a do-nothing on mono targets) 13.14.57 # spiorf: There should probably just be an IconSets wiki page, since they can be used on all targets equally (though how they look may differ if they're color and used on a non-color target) 13.17.14 # Llorean, we should put there a zip containing all the needed files or only bmp files? 13.18.55 # I would suggest that it have a .cfg file named Icons_Name.cfg in /.rockbox/themes (for example Icons_RedandBlue.cfg) 13.19.42 # It should have only the 1-4 lines necessary to load the iconsets, and change nothing else. 13.19.53 # why not in a folder called icons/? 13.20.13 # bluebrother: The /.rockbox/icons folder is for the actual icon files 13.21.10 # sure, but the icons need a configuration too 13.21.16 Quit Stalwart^ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.21.24 # and that configuration is specific to the icon file 13.21.30 # What? 13.21.39 # Icons are loaded by two lines in a .cfg file 13.21.47 # One for the normal icons, and one for the viewer icons. 13.21.55 # ah, you mean loading a icon set separately? 13.22.05 Quit inversions () 13.22.10 # An icon set should always be a part of a theme 13.22.15 # Even if the whole theme is *just* the icon set. :) 13.22.29 # You can't load just the .bmp, or load the .icon file 13.22.40 # I thought you meant the icon -> file mapping configuration 13.22.46 # Ah, no 13.22.48 # i.e. the .icon file. 13.22.48 # The .cfg 13.22.56 # The .icon file goes in /.rockbox/icons 13.23.06 # ok, then I got you wrong. Sorry. 13.23.33 # I probably wasn't as clear as I could've been 13.23.47 # but shouldn't icons always be "bundled" with a theme anyway? 13.24.41 Quit funky (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 13.25.19 # Yes, but that theme could just be a foreground and background color change, font change, and icon set, for use with any text-based WPS you feel like (as long as the font doesn't break it) for example 13.25.42 # I don't think we're going to get people to not make "just" icon sets. 13.26.24 # no. But we also don't need to announce it ;) 13.26.42 # the people knowing it's possible may do, the others won't care about it 13.27.05 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@unaffiliated/funky) 13.27.19 # Yeah, but people are going to want to post their full iconsets somewhere, and either we should ban them from 'official' locations outright, or come up with a good policy in advance. :) 13.27.24 # to be exactly, a theme could also set e.g. icon settings. But I don't think it's intended to do this 13.27.37 Quit Br3nda (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.27.47 # I think themes *should* set whether menus display icons, and possibly load an icon set. 13.27.59 # And pick if there's a line-selector, and whether it's the full line or the image, etc. 13.28.13 # People don't make use of all the theme options, I think. 13.28.17 # with the customizeable icons this becomes to make sense 13.28.40 # but I wouldn't e.g. like it if a theme sets the line selector to something I don't want 13.28.41 # The line-selector image should be treated as an icon... 13.28.53 # bluebrother: Make a small change to the theme? 13.29.24 # I'm going to have to change some of these icons, for example, because I'm pretty sure I don't like a few of 'em. 13.29.33 # ok, replace theme by "official theme" ;) 13.30.22 # Jd|NOT_HERE: Looks good so far at least. 13.30.48 # bluebrother: create a simple .cfg file that just has the line "Line Pointer: my_pointer.bmp" 13.30.49 # :-P 13.31.04 # Then you can fix *any* theme by resetting your pointer. 13.31.35 # I just like the idea of not cluttering the "Open With" menu with theme options. 13.31.36 # hehe 13.31.50 # yeah, that's right. 13.32.24 # It'd be nice if Browse Themes could show subfolders then, though. 13.32.28 Nick Jd|NOT_HERE is now known as JdGordon (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 13.32.29 # One day, one day. 13.33.55 # Llorean: that commit fixed the icon wierdness? 13.33.59 # * JdGordon can play again 13.34.45 # JdGordon: It seems to at least 13.39.34 # i'm having problems with the viewers icons, it lools like the first few icons are overlayed by the contents of the remote_viewers.bmp . does someone see something wrong with the icons: www.stud.uni-goettingen.de/~s291827/test/PJ_icons.zip 13.40.05 # PaulJam: Are you running the very newest revision? 13.40.18 # Because there was a problem like that with the initial commit, but it should be fixed. 13.40.47 # ah, i'll do an update then. 13.41.38 # JdGordon: I get some warnings when building a sim now: "gui/icon.c:58: warning: excess elements in array initializer" for example 13.42.20 # pondlife: The build table doesn't show warnings in the sims. 13.42.39 # Indeed. But that's no excuse for adding warnings... 13.43.07 # * pondlife is being picky (again) 13.43.29 # I'm confused. My point was "there don't seem to be warnings for the build servers" 13.43.43 # Ah, ok. I understand you now. 13.44.19 # OK, must be me and my Cygwin. Maybe I need a make clean... 13.45.05 # * JdGordon wonders why pondlife is getting that warning 13.45.18 Nick qwx is now known as qwm (n=qwm@h162n1fls34o1010.telia.com) 13.45.29 # i don't get that warnin when building the h300 sim 13.45.50 # JdGordon: Maybe the make clean will fix it. 13.45.57 # should do 13.45.58 # PaulJam: All better with the current build, then? 13.46.09 # still compiling.. 13.46.15 # You could just download it... 13.46.41 # oh, mybe i should have mentione, that this was with the uisim. 13.47.04 # * JdGordon looks forward to being able to rolo onto the build on my mSD card :'( 13.47.35 # * petur points JdGordon to misc.c 13.47.55 # ah wait, you can't access that card yet :) 13.48.00 # yeah :D 13.50.29 # JdGordon: If no .icons file is present, does it just use the assignments from the existing tagnavi? 13.50.30 # JdGordon: Yep, make clean fixed it 13.50.32 # Llorean: the problem is still there in the sim 13.51.06 # Llorean: if by tagnavi you mean viewers then it should.. figuring out why its not now 13.52.20 # PaulJam: What exactly happens 13.52.23 # JdGordon: Yeah, viewers. 13.52.58 # PaulJam: By which I mean, which icon shows for which type of file that it shouldn't? 13.52.59 Quit safetydan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.53.07 # JdGordon: It's not? 13.53.10 # Should BMP files open in Rockpaint? 13.53.15 # pondlife: Yes 13.53.27 # OK, it doesn't any more.. 13.53.34 # Llorean: doesnt appear to 13.53.34 # but at least it doesn't crash 13.54.16 # I mean by default 13.54.16 # Not using Open With 13.54.16 # Yeah. 13.54.16 # You need to use open with 13.54.17 # Ah, now that DOES crash! 13.54.35 # PaulJam: Everything seems to be working fine with your iconset here, I need to know what exactly I'm looking for. 13.54.49 # And i'm not sure that you can open files bigger than the screen (in any direction) with rockpaint 13.54.55 # (although it shouldn't crash) 13.54.58 Join Mmmm [0] (i=536864ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-682480ac4efcb334) 13.55.06 # dionoea: That's my take on it too 13.55.12 # Llorean: i'll upload a screendump... 13.55.27 # I originaly planed to make that possible but never got to actualy coding it 13.55.40 # (The code needs some heavy cleanup too) 13.55.55 # dionoea: does it use the standard bmp loader function? 13.56.08 # As far as i remember it does 13.56.24 # Llorean: www.stud.uni-goettingen.de/~s291827/test/dump 070416-135307.bmp 13.56.31 # hello Amiconn....are you about? 13.57.09 # it uses rb->read_bmp_file 13.57.18 # that looks standard to me 13.57.24 # PaulJam: My flacs look fine. 13.57.30 # With your iconset even. 13.57.44 # dionoea: ok, then it wont let you open a file wider than the screen... but higher is fine 13.57.57 # ah, pondlife, it should crop the file if it's bigger than the screen 13.58.01 # hmm, maybe then i should try it on the target 13.58.02 # Mmmm: too bad he isn't here right now 13.58.08 # so it definitively shouldn't crash (unless the core function crashes) 13.58.08 # PaulJam: Which simulator are you using, and can I assume it's unpatched? 13.58.09 # we thought you would be back after the revert 13.58.32 # yes, unpatched h300 sim 13.58.55 # markun: yeah...always missing each other ;) 13.59.40 # PaulJam: Okay, compiling one now 14.00.14 # Unfortunately I cant hang about for long, just 30 mins or so. 14.00.51 # FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!! no wonder my sim isnt working... viewers.config is empty :'( 14.00.53 # Mmmm: maybe better to email him then? 14.01.10 # JdGordon: That's somewhat of a problem, yes. 14.01.15 # where's Bagder when you need him to kick someone.. 14.01.30 # * Bagder hides 14.01.37 # :) 14.02.35 Quit Stalwart_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.03.04 Join Stalwart_ [0] (n=stalwart@ip-10.154.Home-Lan.fastnet.lv) 14.03.41 # PaulJam: It looks like the remote icons are being used on the main screen in the sim for some reason. 14.03.53 # PaulJam: Dunno if it'll happen on-target or not 14.04.05 # if amiconn gets here after I've gone. The timer patch needs a complete rewrite from scratch to minimize its size. Proportional fonts didnt even cross my mind, I've never used them. Was that the only problem with getting it to work on the Ondio? Yes Null pointer...oops. 14.04.16 # :) 14.05.38 # Llorean: where is this happening? 14.05.43 # Mmmm: at least your commit got a big discussion going that committers should discuss their patches more before committing 14.06.01 # Llorean: on the target this happens for me too. 14.06.05 # JdGordon: Compile an H300 sim, and try the .zip PaulJam provided. 14.06.40 # markun: the only problem is that when I have tried to get people to test patches on IRC in the past, noone is interested! 14.07.11 # the only way to get a response (for testing) is in the forums 14.07.22 # or has been for me anyway... 14.07.24 # * dionoea suggests writing doom patches to get people interested 14.07.32 # Mmmm: there was some talk about using the dev ml more 14.07.38 # heh heh.. yeah, that'd do it! 14.07.41 # The dev-ml needs to be used more a lot, yeah. 14.07.56 # well, I believe amiconn is one of those who don't use it enough... 14.08.03 # Mmmm: anyway, just committing is not a nice way to make people pay attention to your work 14.08.08 # Mmmm: i guarentee if you said it was a 3k delta we would have given you more attention :p 14.08.18 # :D 14.08.25 # markun: In his defense, it had been pretty widely used, in theory, by people in the forums. 14.08.49 # lots tested it and i improved it from their comments! 14.08.54 # just not devs! 14.09.11 # Because devs don't read the forums (and aren't really expected to :)) 14.09.12 # .. who are the evil rulers in the end :) 14.09.22 # PaulJam: nice cd btw... 14.09.37 # those icons are screwed tho :D im not getting that 14.09.46 # PaulJam: By chance did you keep track of which icon numbers go to what, I notice that you used numbers papers initially. 14.09.59 # sometimes I'm anoyed by people thinking in devs and non-devs, but maybe it makes things a lot easier 14.10.23 # JdGordon: It happens in the H300 sim, but not in the menus 14.10.44 # the problem is is that not many devs are really interested in recording features and so arent really interested in testing patches (Petur is a very busy man :)) 14.10.52 # markun: Well "devs" are traditionally the people who care about "doing it right" while non-devs are the people who care about "it works for me" :) 14.12.11 # I care about doing it right......it's just that I did it wrong! 14.12.21 # Mmmm: I would have tested on my Ondio if asked here or in the dev-ml (I've seen that thread in the forum too if you do remember but didn't know about commit plans) 14.12.35 # Mmmm: I didn't say you did it wrong 14.12.41 # :) 14.12.41 # Llorean: the list can be found in apps/gui/icon.h 14.12.58 # Mmmm: I meant that your testers mostly cared that it worked for them, rather than how it was done in the code. 14.13.12 # PaulJam: Yeah, I just discovered that. Why the #s then? 14.13.27 # Mmmm: There were multiple problems, like not being able to set anything but the day value on Ondio 14.13.30 # ffmpeg is having some problems right now with different opinions on what should be committed (and what not) 14.13.39 # Pixelma: yeah, I remember now...I'll at least attempt to ask for a few days in the future just in case there is someone like yourself about :) 14.14.22 Quit hcs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.14.26 # amiconn: really? that's strange...I tested the recorder, iaudio, irivers and ipods... 14.14.26 # Llorean: i used the numbers, and lader saw where i could find the list. 14.14.32 # PaulJam: Ah, okay. 14.14.33 # To rephrase, I am not against a recording timer at all, just this thing had multiple problems which aren't easily fixable and it was huge for what it does 14.14.34 # must be a keymap thing! 14.15.04 # markun: "problems" is kind of an understatement :) Baptiste even considered forking the project 14.15.06 # JdGordon: Is the last themable icon a placeholder or is it actually displayed somewhere? 14.15.10 # yeah, I was surprised at the size.... Twas a lot bigger than I thought 14.15.17 # Llorean: placeholder 14.15.22 # JdGordon: Okay, just making sure. 14.15.35 # dionoea: you never know how serious people really are 14.15.47 # yeah... 14.16.06 # Mmmm: Press PLAY to accept... but there is no separate PLAY on Ondio 14.16.15 # * JdGordon isnt getting the icon wierdness PaulJam is getting 14.16.16 # * markun is wondering about amiconn's recurring plans on leaving rockbox for example.. 14.16.46 # On Ondio we need to use Mode to accept in such a screen, if we need left/right for navigation 14.16.53 # JdGordon: Did you use his iconset, in an h300 sim, and browse to where you can see an actual music file? 14.17.03 # yes yes yes 14.17.06 # Weird 14.17.09 # It happens for me just fine. 14.17.12 # amiconn: I admit, I missed out the Ondio - sorry, bit of an oversight there...anyway, to slim it down will need a completely different approach I think 14.17.42 # Mmmm: what was the reason it became so big? 14.17.47 # Llorean: you getting it also? PaulJam, do an svn up... i think you may have missed one 14.18.21 # JdGordon: Yeah, I'm definitely getting it with the most recent revision. 14.18.27 # markun: god knows... the set_multi_int function was the biggest I think 14.18.51 # All I did was compile an h300s, copy over his icons, launch the sim, load the icons, realize I had no files, close the sim, copy over some songs to the root of the sim, run the sim again, browse to the root, and see the weird icons. 14.19.23 # There were other problems with that multi-int screen... like large parts being off screen for users with a large font and small display (also hits e.g. on the iriver remotes), or off screen at all (player) 14.19.28 Join Hammer89 [0] (n=soc_inte@host-24-149-166-187.patmedia.net) 14.20.13 # The latter isn't such a big problem as it currently has no use for such screen, and if it will, then it can get its own minimal implementation 14.20.36 # amiconn: I suppose a solution to that would be to use sysfont...as long as there arent massed of integers 14.20.47 # Then the non-working proportional fonts... I almost exclusively use proportional fonts as they are much nicer to look at 14.20.47 # masses 14.21.04 # That's no solution 14.21.20 # Yes..that is a problem not so easy to fix....I had completely overlooked that as I have never even used one 14.21.25 # We need to make all screens user font aware instead of introducing more fixed-font dependencies 14.21.36 # ok 14.21.59 # so some sort of line wrap 14.24.16 Quit smolyn ("KVIrc 3.2.5 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/") 14.24.24 Quit jhulst (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.24.25 Join c0utta [0] (i=cbad317f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4340db40e8fc3df0) 14.25.10 # I think a screen for this would be necessary as having such a large range of times would mean some hefty scrolling without splitting into days/hrs/mins 14.26.27 Quit petur ("stkov") 14.27.01 # PaulJam: Llorean: all fixed 14.27.17 # nice, thanks 14.28.56 Quit pill (Nick collision from services.) 14.29.15 Join pill [0] (i=pill@sloth.shellfx.net) 14.29.36 Quit pill (Nick collision from services.) 14.29.44 Join _pill [0] (i=pill@sloth.shellfx.net) 14.29.51 Join elinenbe_ [0] (n=elinenbe@209.196.192.7) 14.31.07 # ok, can anyone who doesnt mind playing in the wiki make CustonIcons nice for themers please? 14.31.11 # * JdGordon going to watch tv 14.33.32 # hmm, for me the icons are still broken in the sim JdGordon 14.33.41 # no they arnt! 14.33.44 # your imagning it 14.33.57 Quit Javva ("Lost terminal") 14.34.13 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54964C2E.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.34.16 # im using the .cfg from the zip (and the bmps and .icons) and it works fine 14.34.19 # svn up 14.34.56 # do we have any original ajbr owners online? 14.35.08 # "original" ? 14.35.19 # as in v1 you mean? 14.35.41 # Bagder: v1 - correct. 14.35.45 # barrywardell_: you around? 14.35.58 # or dan_a 14.36.01 # I own a recorder v1, haven't used it in a long while though 14.36.01 # i did a svn up before compiling (it updated icon.c and filetypes.c) 14.36.04 # * Mmmm has to go and get on with earning a crust......bye... 14.36.20 Quit Mmmm ("CGI:IRC") 14.36.33 # PaulJam: are you trying to load it with a remote viewers? 14.36.34 # Bagder: do you remember how to reset the config block on startup? 14.36.51 # no, I don't think I've ever done that... 14.37.47 # i just changed the setting to show MBR on startup and now I get I04:IllInstr 14.37.55 # JdGordon: no, there is no remote viewers icons specified in the config (if that's what you meant) 14.38.10 # that is :) ok then we have the same setup going 14.38.21 # still the same as the dump from before? 14.38.32 # yes 14.38.54 # make clean && make ? 14.39.13 # no make clean, i'll try that 14.41.13 # JdGordon: nice work on the patch... I like it. a lot. 14.41.27 # :) 14.41.47 # JdGordon: have you tried if you can reproduce if you reset settings and restart the sim before loading the icons? 14.41.52 # JdGordon: Now all we need is animated bmps for icons :-) 14.43.11 # PaulJam: just did that and works ok 14.43.23 # elinenbe_: animaed gifs .. :) 14.44.05 # JdGordon: make clean didn't help 14.44.56 # bugger 14.45.03 # JdGordon: well, yes... animated gifs would be nice, but bmps are already supported by rockbox, and I figured we could do different state bmps like we have in the WPS screens... animated gifs may add unnecessary overhead 14.45.11 # animated gifs to get it as nice as flashed html sites? ... ... 14.45.58 # JdGordon: time to update:http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges , I didn't made it myself cause better to let's the author 14.46.17 # cool enhancement 14.46.25 # bah :p 14.47.15 # JdGordon: wich filetypes do you have, for me only the first 6 icons of the viewers icon are broken, the other work. 14.48.26 # txt works fine 14.48.46 # thats in the top 6.. 14.50.31 # * JdGordon hopes that was the last commit for icons tonight 14.50.31 Quit Hammer89 (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.52.26 # JdGordon: where do you live? 14.52.38 # Bagder: I tihnk i asked you before, but cant remember the answer... do you have any ideas where to start playing to try to read the sd card on the sansa? 14.52.42 # elinenbe_: australia 14.52.57 # JdGordon: only the sd document mrh wrote 14.53.30 # any chance you can give him a buzz and see if he can come up wit some more magic? 14.53.51 Join Hammer89 [0] (n=soc_inte@host-24-149-166-187.patmedia.net) 14.54.38 # JdGordon: I don't know if you follow cycling, but Stuart O'Grady won Paris-Roubaix yesterday 14.54.52 # who? 14.55.53 # eh... he's an Aussie cyclist. 14.56.22 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_O%27Grady 14.56.27 # c0utta: With a half-recent recorder build you won't need a special config block reset. 14.56.31 # if you don't follow the sport, you probably haven't heard of him. 14.56.47 # We switched to file-based config quite a while ago 14.57.29 # amiconn: what are you currently working on? You usually have something exciting in the plans... 14.58.49 # amiconn: i'm using the latest build and i still get the i04:illinstr 14.59.03 # 2007-03-16: Add customizable icons 14.59.06 # the date? 15.00.16 # fixed 15.00.53 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 15.00.55 # isnt it march? 15.01.22 Join Entasis_ [0] (n=Jarred@ppp48-102.lns11.adl2.internode.on.net) 15.01.26 # maybe that's a time zone thing :-P 15.01.34 # haha :D 15.04.13 # c0utta: Oh, then it happens while/after loading the config 15.04.49 # Just connect usb, and delete /.rockbox/config.cfg 15.05.15 # Ideally copy it before for analysis 15.05.33 # amiconn: i thought it read the config from the block before config.cfg 15.08.09 # removing config.cfg made no difference 15.08.35 Quit Entasis (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 15.10.39 # JdGordon i think aliask's and eli's icons could be moved to wiki? 15.11.18 # well.. yes and no... i cant remeber which... but at least one was wrong 15.11.26 # it had the viewers bmp starting at the wrong place 15.11.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.11.41 # pearldiver: Maybe the authors (i.e. copyright holders) of the icons should add them to the wiki... 15.17.42 # c0utta: The config block is no longer used with a current build. 15.19.56 # amiconn: ah, i am way behind the times. so removing config.cfg should have cleared my settings? 15.20.29 # JdGordon: don't know if this helps, but if i load my viewers icons for the remote too, then the icons show up right on the main screen (but on the remote they are broken (as expexted)) 15.24.41 Nick _pill is now known as pill (i=pill@sloth.shellfx.net) 15.28.55 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@avc146.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 15.30.05 Nick Stalwart_ is now known as Stalwart (n=stalwart@ip-10.154.Home-Lan.fastnet.lv) 15.31.39 Quit himitsu (Connection timed out) 15.32.49 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.38.23 Join crop [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-124c0df95ce1377e) 15.39.07 # JdGordon: have you seen my msgs from today, 11:47 (irc log time)? 15.40.02 # * crop suggests to introduce the new time zone: ILT (for irc log time) 15.40.46 # crop: no 15.40.49 # * JdGordon checks log 15.41.40 # ah yes, i had seen them 15.42.24 # Are they correct/sensible? 15.43.52 # checking.. 15.44.48 # yeah, NOICON only needs to be defined oncce... and its definatly meant to me bmp 15.46.51 # anyone know how to use the sansa emulator? 15.47.16 Quit borisyeltsin (Remote closed the connection) 15.47.59 Join billytwowilly [0] (n=chris@S01060016b649355d.ed.shawcable.net) 15.49.19 # can custom icons be included in themes now? 15.50.57 # yes 15.52.30 Quit joa ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 15.52.41 # JdGordon: and one more question: why isn't icon_file and viewers_icon_file #ifdef'd in settings.h? 15.53.18 # icon_file? 15.53.31 # JdGordon: and in setting_list they are nested #ifdef'd 15.53.33 # JdGordon: maybe it would be a good idea to include the default main icons in the zip too, and a configfile that loads the default icons. or mybe make it like with the wps, where you have a dummy file that loads the default. 15.54.20 # JdGordon: yes, settings.h:711 15.55.09 # ah, for lcd_bitmap... good point 15.55.23 # PaulJam: default main icons? they are built in... 15.55.48 # JdGordon: and settings_list.c:1165. The nested #ifdef's are wrong IMHO 15.56.10 # JdGordon: I mean they should be independent 15.56.10 # your mean 15.57.01 # JdGordon: I mean :-) 15.57.06 # JdGordon: yes, but there is afaik no way to revert to the default icons without clearing the settings or editing the config.cfg . 15.57.39 Part Llorean 15.59.36 # PaulJam: your right that you cant actually go back to the default except by clearnig settings.. 15.59.48 # would setting iconset: - be good enough? 16.01.34 Join a1x_ [0] (n=are@212.25.60.215) 16.02.07 Part a1x_ 16.02.56 # Bagder: when may the copyright statement in a file be changed? I.e. you have a copyrighted file and edit it massively. Can you then change the CR statement? 16.03.40 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@148.61.92.172) 16.07.17 # PaulJam: reset_icons.cfg ? 16.07.53 Quit jmspeex (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.11.41 # PaulJam: last chance... 16.11.49 Join joa [0] (i=joe@host86-137-251-62.range86-137.btcentralplus.com) 16.12.06 Join norbusan [0] (n=norbusan@dhcp04.algebra.tuwien.ac.at) 16.12.52 Join jmspeex [0] (n=jmspeex@142.163.233.220.exetel.com.au) 16.13.08 # PaulJam: ! i saw the bug you were complaining of! 16.13.10 Join ctaf [0] (n=ctaf@ram94-6-82-242-23-70.fbx.proxad.net) 16.13.13 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 16.13.18 # JdGordon: For wps there's the "magic" name rockbox_default.wps 16.13.37 # right, but we dont use a seperate file for icon loading... 16.13.41 # Loading that doesn't actualy load it, but revert to the builtin default 16.13.41 Part ctaf 16.13.48 # rockbox_default_icons or reset_icons.cfg ? 16.14.03 # hmm... 16.14.10 Part norbusan 16.17.52 Quit Hammer89 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.18.43 Join AceNik [0] (n=AceNik@203.145.159.40) 16.19.42 # id like to ask is the scrolling on h10 good or addig the smooth scroll path makes a difference 16.19.42 # patch 16.22.10 Quit jhulst (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.22.27 # * JdGordon doesnt like that the filetype icons are handled in 3 different modules/files 16.22.35 # tree.c gui/icon.c and filetypes.c 16.23.44 # JdGordon: Can they be all moved to filetypes.c some how? 16.23.58 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@148.61.92.172) 16.24.35 # not really :( 16.26.28 # uys what if the author of a theme does not reply to the permission to modify his theme, can i then just modify it & upload it 16.26.56 Join Hammer89 [0] (n=soc_inte@host-24-149-166-187.patmedia.net) 16.27.49 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 16.28.54 # this isnt backwards is it? icon_buffer[IMG_BUFSIZE][NB_SCREENS] 16.29.05 # * JdGordon always gets confsed with 2d arrays 16.29.33 # Pah, only 2D! 16.29.37 # :) 16.29.42 # It is backwards... 16.30.20 # that would explain the damn bug then 16.30.40 # * JdGordon embarresed 16.30.40 Join PaulJam_ [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3002.gwdg.de) 16.31.45 Quit jmspeex (Connection timed out) 16.33.41 # PaulJam_: fixed! 16.34.25 Quit fejfighter (Remote closed the connection) 16.34.32 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16.34.40 # * JdGordon gets his #1 commiter spot back on http://cia.vc/stats/project/rockbox :D 16.34.58 # just incase you all thought all these "mistakes" were me being stupid :p 16.35.12 # lol 16.35.26 # The thought never crossed my mind 16.36.15 Join PaulJam__ [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3054.gwdg.de) 16.37.26 # * JdGordon slaps aliask around with the .cfg file he forgot to upload! 16.37.52 # aliask: and just to be difficult.. you need to replace the 'm's with '*' in the icons file 16.39.18 # Yesss massterrr 16.39.32 # And I was making the screenshot at the time :) 16.39.48 # im syncing th new volume limiter patch , vlimit :http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6555 can someone please sync this to the svn , its really greart & works perfect 16.40.51 # JdGordon: it is fixed, thank you. 16.41.45 # can anyone pelase add this patch 16.41.56 # ..but something seems to be still wrong, the folders have the wrong icon now. 16.43.32 # no they dont! 16.44.03 # hmm... ok, so they do :p 16.44.06 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3021.gwdg.de) 16.44.15 # * JdGordon should stop coding for tonight 16.44.36 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.44.47 # JdGordon so that was ur last change for today rite 16.45.09 # no, that was my first for today... 16.45.19 # [00:45:09] here :D 16.45.48 # JdGordon: well i was thinkin of compiling a build for myself now , any major chanes that you plan to make sir 16.46.11 # JdGordon: What size icons did you want for sansa/h300? 16.46.30 # 16x16 look good on H300 16.46.36 # 16x16 looks good on them, but i dont have a decent wps for that size font :p 16.47.39 # JdGordon: I'm happy now :-) 16.47.46 # sweet :) 16.47.48 # So should I bother making another icon set? 16.48.33 # na 16.48.50 # Sweet. 16.50.58 # JdGordon: Looks like the crash on archos c0utta is experiencing *might* be related to the icon stuff... 16.51.21 Quit PaulJam_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16.51.27 # ho hum :( whats the problem? 16.51.49 # IllInstr at 00000000 i.e. NULL pointer access somewhere 16.52.05 # JdGordon: 8th time's the charm ;p 16.52.35 # Hehe 16.52.59 # :'( 16.53.01 # Latest daily is fine, current build crashes afaiu 16.53.13 # Sorry Jd, couldn't resist a cheap gag 16.53.20 # thats ok.... 16.53.20 # AceNik: Glad you like my patch :) 16.53.35 # It'll be worth it in the end, y'know. 16.53.51 # I was going to put a nice long complaint in that commit... but thouht better not 16.53.53 # * pixelma going to test an Ondio svn build... 16.54.47 # amiconn: does the ondio have display->bitmap_part ? 16.54.59 # thats the only place where NULL could be set to a fnction... 16.56.02 # hmm... :'( doesnt look like it... 16.56.37 # Oh, then that's it 16.56.53 # But it could and should have it; looks like an oversight in screen_access.c 16.57.57 # yay.. so someone else can fix it so i dont look any worse than i already do :p 16.58.30 # should I bother waiting for the end of the build round (for warnings/errors) or is it worth to test at all? 16.58.30 # yep, thats the bug 16.58.44 # pixelma: dont bother at all.... 16.58.56 # amiconn: can you fix it in screen_access,.c? 16.59.27 Quit PaulJam__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.00.02 # JdGordon: I'll do if nobody beats me to it, but can't do so right now 17.00.56 # great, then im going to bed 17.00.57 # cyas 17.01.00 # night 17.01.11 Quit JdGordon (Remote closed the connection) 17.03.33 Part AceNik 17.04.42 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-075-177-158-190.nc.res.rr.com) 17.04.59 Quit c0utta ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.09.20 Join web-taz [0] (n=taz@p5081854B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.11.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.13.57 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.14.15 Quit aliask ("sleep") 17.17.14 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 17.17.31 Quit brun0_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.18.26 Join ColdSphinX^ [0] (n=sphinx@p85.212.29.40.tisdip.tiscali.de) 17.18.35 Quit web-taz ("Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de") 17.19.36 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.24.19 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b9bdc.ucd.ie) 17.26.43 # where i have to define directories icons? http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/2967/dump070416171425vk8.png 17.27.10 # all other icons are ok 17.29.00 Quit Entasis_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.31.43 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 17.31.44 Quit crop ("CGI:IRC") 17.32.48 Join AceNik [0] (n=AceNik@203.145.159.40) 17.33.33 Join brun0_ [0] (n=brun0_@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 17.34.02 # lol 'ive just seen the commit "make the folder icons play nice....." 17.34.59 # can anyone help me add this line in the viewers config file cause i think the whole format has changed sok,rocks/sokoban, 00 48 7E 7E 48 00 17.35.27 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3023.gwdg.de) 17.36.10 # sok,rocks/sokoban, 00 48 7E 7E 48 00 will adding it like this work or do i need to change something 17.36.58 # AceNik: i think you have to replace the " 00 48 7E 7E 48 00" by the iconnumber 17.37.23 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54bf610e.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.37.24 # where do i find the icon number for sokoban now 17.39.04 # you propably have to add the icon to the viewers.bmp and viewers_remote.bmp. the number is the position of the icon in this file starting with 0 17.39.59 Join RFA [0] (n=rene@e182125014.adsl.alicedsl.de) 17.40.33 # PaulJam: so will it work if i replace it with the same icon as suoku , after all sudoku is also a pluin rite 17.40.37 # plugin 17.41.00 Join PaulJam_ [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3134.gwdg.de) 17.41.16 # should work 17.41.33 # PaulJam: k shall try it now 17.41.37 Join raphi [0] (n=Raphi@pub082136119207.dh-hfc.datazug.ch) 17.45.31 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.45.51 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54bf610e.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.48.17 Join PaulJam__ [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3166.gwdg.de) 17.48.42 Quit PaulJam (Nick collision from services.) 17.48.47 Nick PaulJam__ is now known as PaulJam (i=Paul@vpn-3166.gwdg.de) 17.50.50 Quit funky (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17.52.37 Quit juxtap (Connection timed out) 17.53.03 Quit AceNik ("bye guys have fun , enjoy !!!!!") 17.54.20 # hello i have some problems with Rockbox ipodpatcher installation 17.54.43 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@unaffiliated/funky) 17.56.49 # RFA: care to tell some details? 17.57.12 # ipodpatcher cant find my ipod 17.59.03 # what OS are you using? Windows? 17.59.30 # debian 17.59.42 # I assume you are root? 17.59.55 # yes 18.00.10 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@148.61.92.172) 18.00.24 # is the ipod mounted? 18.00.32 # or, can you access the ipod otherwise? 18.00.51 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 18.00.54 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp137-231.adsl.forthnet.gr) 18.01.20 Quit PaulJam_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18.01.30 Quit tchan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.01.55 # i yes i can 18.03.21 # RFA: Have you done anything to your ipod? e.g. repartitioned it? 18.03.28 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 18.03.30 # yes 18.03.31 # does fdisk -l /dev/sda (or sdb or whatever show the 2 partitions?) 18.03.31 # hmm. Do you know the device of your ipod? 18.04.16 # yes it fdisk show me 18.04.30 # RFA: That's likely to be the problem. One of the checks ipodpatcher does (it errs on the side of caution) is to check for magic strings in original ipod partition tables. If you've repartitioned, you may have removed that magic. 18.05.19 # this is the message 18.05.19 # debian:/home# ./ipodpatcher 18.05.19 # ipodpatcher v0.9 with v1.0 bootloaders - (C) Dave Chapman 2006-2007 18.05.19 DBUG Enqueued KICK RFA 18.05.19 # This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO 18.05.19 # warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. 18.05.20 *** Alert Mode level 1 18.05.20 # [INFO] Scanning disk devices... 18.05.22 # [ERR] No ipods found, aborting 18.05.24 # [ERR] Please connect your ipod and ensure it is in disk mode 18.05.26 # [ERR] Please refer to the Rockbox manual if you continue to have problems. 18.05.28 # Press ENTER to exit ipodpatcher : 18.05.51 # RFA: There was no need for that... 18.06.13 # sorry linuxstb 18.06.20 # can't you force the device command line ? 18.06.44 # No. 18.06.54 # can you explain 18.06.58 # You can specify a device, but it still does the same checks. 18.07.39 Join sando [0] (i=lolsteam@124-254-76-41-static-dsl.ispone.net.au) 18.07.42 # if you have the partition marked empty you can simply dd the apple update image to that partition 18.07.43 # RFA: I'll build you an ipodpatcher without that check. Are you on 32-bit Linux? 18.07.50 # yes 18.08.03 # great 18.08.06 # bluebrother: That's not the issue - it's magic in the paritition table itself (i.e. the MBR - sector 0). 18.08.33 # I'm assuming of course that the ipod is currently working - i.e. the Apple firmware boots? 18.09.06 # oh, there is some more magic too? 18.09.09 # no sorry its broken by the last try on saturday 18.09.10 # nice to know ;-) 18.09.20 # bluebrother: ipods have magic everywhere.... 18.09.36 # hehe 18.09.43 # RFA: In which case ignore what I've said. You need to make your ipod boot the Apple firmware first - ipodpatcher requires a working ipod. 18.10.28 # ok and this only works on windows or mac right 18.10.32 # There are some (very concise) instructions here - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore 18.10.52 # The page I linked you to is for Linux. On windows and Mac, just run itunes. 18.11.29 # http://www.digitimes.com/systems/a20070403PD200.html 18.12.22 # ColdSphinX^: I'm being asked to register... 18.12.22 # ok i try 18.12.25 # thanks 18.12.59 Join tchan [0] (n=tchan@lunar-linux/developer/tchan) 18.13.18 # ok, sorry 18.14.07 # it's just a news about the next ipod gen 18.14.21 # hmm. No greyscale icons yet :( 18.14.55 # ColdSphinX^: news or rumour? There's been talk of new ipods for over a year... 18.15.21 Join jhulst_ [0] (n=jhulst@148.61.92.172) 18.15.22 *** Alert Mode OFF 18.15.26 # will see 18.16.31 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.16.41 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54bf5db4.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.16.44 # ColdSphinX^: Sorry, the page you are trying to open is available only for our paid subscribers. 18.19.45 # oh, hmm, I could read it. hmm, perhaps an write error by me but I saw that this channe lisn't the right place. 18.20.45 # linuxstd i run the firmware patch but its stops with hieroglyphs 18.20.47 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul) 18.22.41 Join sartoga [0] (i=98039b62@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-592557d34bfa38e9) 18.22.41 Quit sartoga (Client Quit) 18.22.49 Join saratoga [0] (i=98039b62@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5ac5ba2b1ffac3a2) 18.23.32 # RFA: What do you mean by "run the firmware patch" ? What commands did you type? 18.23.33 Quit saratoga (Client Quit) 18.25.04 # dd if=iPod_14.1.3.1.ipsw of=/dev/sdb1 18.25.22 # You need to do "unzip iPod_14.1.3.1.ipsw" first 18.25.42 # That will give you a Firmware-X.Y.Z (I don't know the numbers) file. You then dd that Firmware-X.Y.Z file to /dev/sdb1 18.25.49 # ok 18.26.24 Join juxtap [0] (n=juxtap@wbs-196-2-103-237.wbs.co.za) 18.27.47 # ipod reboot works 18.28.07 # So the Apple firmware is working again? 18.28.12 # yes 18.28.28 # Now see if ipodpatcher recognises it. You may still get the same problem as before... 18.28.52 Quit jhulst (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.29.07 # now it runs 18.29.27 # thanks 18.29.32 # You're welcome. 18.30.11 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 18.30.59 Nick gtkspert_ is now known as gtkspert (n=gtkspert@gateless.info) 18.34.11 Join Juice^ [0] (n=Juice@213.167.96.196) 18.37.26 Join Insectoid [0] (n=boinkboi@169.139.251.251) 18.39.19 Quit tchan ("WeeChat 0.2.5-cvs") 18.39.24 Part RFA ("Kopete 0.12.3 : http://kopete.kde.org") 18.41.53 Quit raphi (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.41.56 Join ozgur [0] (i=a46b7415@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1ea48df611fdfba5) 18.42.23 Quit Guile` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.44.51 Join Guile [0] (n=Guile@84.7.94.192) 18.46.06 Nick jhulst_ is now known as jhulst (n=jhulst@148.61.92.172) 18.48.41 Join SliMM [0] (n=chatzill@89.136.181.105) 18.49.22 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 18.49.46 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 18.50.02 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p54849C1D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.50.23 # yey, colour icons :) 18.50.50 Quit jhMikeS (Client Quit) 18.51.02 # where can i download a build with these icons? 18.51.05 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 18.51.44 # is there a screenshot? 18.52.34 # is comitted to the official builds or what do you mean? 18.53.25 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 18.53.42 Join bushblows [0] (n=root@cpe-76-188-173-202.neo.res.rr.com) 18.53.49 # i just saw a screenshot. sweet... are they commited to the official builds? 18.53.53 Join nls [0] (n=nils@nl104-202-175.student.uu.se) 18.53.59 # yes 18.54.36 # kool 18.54.42 # will update my sansa now :) 18.55.01 Join AceNik [0] (n=AceNik@203.145.159.40) 18.55.06 # there http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7013 18.55.06 # and there http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IconSets 18.55.06 # you can find some sets 18.55.25 # some as in one :) 18.55.41 # where is the bleeding edge build? 18.55.43 # I have the .rockbox folder in the root directory of my ipod and rockbox @ (hd0,1) /.rockbox/rockbox.ipod in the ipodloader.conf and when I select rockbox it fails 18.55.48 # any ideas why? 18.56.02 # because the daily build doesn't include icons i think 18.56.09 # guys a problem with the icons , on a black backdrop they not visible , secondly they use to take the color of the foreground color earlier now they dont , probbly because they loaded from a .rmp now , but there has to be a fix for this 18.56.42 # bushblows: Obvious question - do you have a rockbox.ipod file inside the .rockbox folder on your ipod? 18.57.03 # at the tracker there is an remake of the current default icons in white color and a colorised set in the defaultsize by me 18.57.06 # linuxstb: /.rockbox/rockbox.ipod 18.57.08 # AceNik 18.57.14 # ya looking at it now 18.57.27 # SliMM: ? 18.57.45 # he said he has the rockbox.ipod in the .rockbox folder :) 18.57.48 # ColdSphinX^: k will check it out , i think the colorised set is remarkable 18.58.06 # SliMM: No he didn't. 18.58.24 # quote: "I have the .rockbox folder in the root directory of my ipod and rockbox @ (hd0,1) /.rockbox/rockbox.ipod in the ipodloader.conf and when I select rockbox it fails" 18.58.45 # ya SliMM i am sorry but I did leave that out of my comment 18.59.23 # bushblows: what comment? :-s 18.59.26 # AceNik i know but i hadn't had much ideas for the small display of my iax5 18.59.45 # my first comment, the comment you quoted, it isnt important though, nm 18.59.53 # ok.. 19.00.08 # linuxstb: do i use the current build for iconsets? 19.00.19 # ColdSphinX^:will be abck in a few minutes , want to know how to use tango , c ya in 10mins 19.00.27 # SliMM: I guess so. I don't understand the new icons though. 19.01.05 # My sansa wont load the new theme with icons.. nothing happends when i load the theme 19.01.36 # Juice^: which new theme? 19.02.06 # markun: not new.. but they named a theme "rockbox_default_icons" 19.02.16 # and one "rockbox_default" 19.03.13 # it just loads the defailt balck icons, as the name implies 19.03.52 # yeah .. 19.03.53 # you need to download or ceate additional iconsets yourself 19.03.58 # ok ok 19.05.13 Join entheh [0] (n=purr@88-106-154-141.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 19.07.56 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host113-205-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 19.09.19 Quit ColdSphinX^ ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 19.09.52 Join Siltaar [0] (n=Siltaar@reverse-52.fdn.fr) 19.11.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.14.12 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.14.15 Quit Guile (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.14.32 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54bf5db4.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.14.35 Join Guile [0] (n=Guile@84.7.94.192) 19.14.43 Quit Juice^ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.17.34 Join Mmmm [0] (n=martin@cpc2-hem13-0-0-cust689.lutn.cable.ntl.com) 19.22.54 # uys there is a desperate need to have the ability to set different menu font , n wps font 19.23.14 # there is? 19.23.22 # since custom icons are based on particular fonts , & certain wps's will not support the same font 19.24.59 # nls: ? 19.25.05 # custom icons aren't based on particular fonts 19.25.26 # AceNik: My point was that the need can hardly be "desperate" 19.25.33 # SliMM: tango font used with jack font 19.25.52 # nls: ok but i just like the new feature so 19.26.01 # tango icons work great with arial too 19.26.32 # and I think the idea is for wps and icons to be part of a theme that will work nicely with the same font in menuaes and wps 19.26.52 # ok 19.29.09 Quit krazykit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.29.42 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 19.31.38 Quit Insectoid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.33.01 Quit zylche (Client Quit) 19.34.38 Join zylche [0] (n=wheee@82-41-83-91.cable.ubr01.dund.blueyonder.co.uk) 19.36.00 Join tchan [0] (n=tchan@lunar-linux/developer/tchan) 19.37.43 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 19.39.49 # blubrother you there 19.40.32 # I'm having a hard time figuring out what to do with the .cfg file on this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IconSets. Do I just add the lines of text to an existing theme .cfg file? 19.41.09 Join Bawt2 [0] (i=Bawtt92@82-41-83-91.cable.ubr01.dund.blueyonder.co.uk) 19.41.12 # Hammer89:ya the.icon, .viewer text 19.41.15 # you can also run that file separately 19.41.21 # hmmm 19.41.26 # it only sets the values that are present in the files 19.41.45 # bluebrother: what do you mean by whitespace changes 19.41.46 # but these lines can also be present in any other configuration file, most likely a theme file 19.41.56 Join aduarte [0] (n=alfredo_@201.139.193.235) 19.41.58 Quit aduarte (Remote closed the connection) 19.42.09 # I moved the .bmp and .icons file to the folder .rockbox/icons... and ran that .cfg file... but the icons still aren't appearing 19.42.22 Join aduarte [0] (n=alfredo_@201.139.193.235) 19.42.35 Part aduarte 19.42.39 # Hammer89: no need for .icons file to be added , only add the .bmp's 19.42.50 # oh... 19.42.56 # Hammer89: add the .icon, .viewers code to the .cfg file 19.43.04 # oh... okay 19.43.43 # AceNik: the .icons file is needed to assign the icons to filetypes 19.44.18 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 19.44.19 Join XavierGr_ [0] (n=xavier@ppp142-194.adsl.forthnet.gr) 19.44.20 # ] PaulJam: where do u place the file ? , i tried it my way , everythin works fine 19.45.00 # the .icons file goes to the same folder like the .bmp files 19.45.16 # that's what I did... but it didn't work 19.45.28 # oh sorry yes i placed bboth the files in that folder 19.45.45 # Hammer89: add .icons & .bmp to the foldere sorry 19.45.52 # okay... 19.45.58 # Hammer89: its just that both showed pictures so i thought 19.46.04 # and what about the .cfg file? 19.46.50 # Hammer89: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/IconSets/config.cfg here c how to add the last 2 lines in a .cfg file 19.47.08 # I've done that... 19.47.25 # hmm... trying to figure the customisable icons out - could someone tell me what the cursor icon is used for (usually I use the line selector)? 19.53.47 Quit Mmmm () 19.55.57 # pixelma: it is used for those that don't use the line selector :) 19.56.14 Quit ozgur ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 19.57.07 # thanks... so with my line selector setting it won't be used at all? 19.58.18 Quit Bawt (Connection timed out) 20.00.43 # is anyone else having the problem, that the icon for fm-presets is wrong when using custon icons? 20.03.24 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp140-1.adsl.forthnet.gr) 20.07.01 Join inversions [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 20.14.11 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 20.15.15 Join jhulst_ [0] (n=jhulst@148.61.92.172) 20.15.19 # PaulJam: Looks like an EQ preset icon here. 20.15.19 Quit XavierGr_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.17.06 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 20.17.16 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.17.39 Quit jhulst (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.19.34 Nick jhulst_ is now known as jhulst (n=jhulst@148.61.92.172) 20.20.12 # for me it shows the icon_questionmark 20.20.20 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 20.22.26 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 20.23.50 Join Xerion [0] (i=xerion@vhe-382201.sshn.net) 20.24.55 Join Lars_G [0] (n=lars@unaffiliated/lars-g/x-000001) 20.25.00 # damn rockbox 20.25.22 # it's so good I'm thinking on changing my iPod's setup mode in amarok from ipod to generic player so I work with rockbox's file schema 20.25.23 # lol 20.30.54 Quit AceNik (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 20.31.04 Quit pondlife ("disconnected has pondlife") 20.31.38 Quit moos ("Glory to Rockbox") 20.31.56 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 20.35.40 # apps/plugins/bitmaps/viewer_defaults/viewers.6x8x2.bmp seems to be missing. Or is it just me (and the Web interface)? :) 20.36.00 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 20.36.21 # Hey all 20.36.48 # question, are there any docs in wiki about the last.fm log AND database statistics log? or none and I should read the source? 20.37.02 # I want to code an amarok plugin to integrate these logs into amarok's statistics 20.38.05 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.41.57 Join Xerion [0] (i=xerion@vhe-382201.sshn.net) 20.42.08 # Lear: I have it in my checkout... 20.42.23 # That's weird... 20.42.39 # no wait, I don't ;-) 20.43.21 # I guess someone forgott ot svn add something 20.44.04 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 20.45.03 Quit zylche () 20.45.58 Quit courtc (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.46.03 # I believe there is no greyscale iconset... 20.46.06 # yet 20.46.18 Join zylche [0] (n=wheee@82-41-83-91.cable.ubr01.dund.blueyonder.co.uk) 20.50.05 Quit oKtosiTe (Client Quit) 20.53.22 Join courtc [0] (n=court@unaffiliated/courtc) 20.54.14 # Hm, seems like I can shave ~400 bytes from gui/icon.c (on ColdFire). 20.56.24 # damn you're right 20.56.33 # the icons are font-dependent 20.56.36 # :(( 21.00.49 Quit toffe82 ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 21.02.24 Quit pill (Nick collision from services.) 21.02.39 # anyone knows if elisherer's theme can not be modified? 21.02.39 Join _pill [0] (i=pill@sloth.shellfx.net) 21.02.56 # i modified it and would like to add to the icons page 21.07.09 # Lear: 400bytes? 21.07.31 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 21.07.31 # * amiconn wonders which coldfire that is, and whether the saving is display depth dependent 21.07.58 Join Mmmm [0] (n=martin@cpc2-hem13-0-0-cust689.lutn.cable.ntl.com) 21.08.30 # Depends on wether there is a remote, but not otherwise, I think. And using gcc 4.0.4 with non-standard optimizations, so it is not an exact figure. :) 21.08.47 Join chelli [0] (n=chelli@p54B87F29.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.09.17 # 404 is a strange version number... 21.10.00 # does the playlist viewer not support unicode? 21.11.03 # Should do UTF-8, but maybe not codepage stuff... 21.11.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.12.31 # Filenames are always utf-8 internally anyway 21.13.08 # PaulJam: Are you trying this on a windows simulator? 21.13.13 Quit nls (Remote closed the connection) 21.13.41 # yes. just saw that it is the same in the filebrowser 21.15.35 # Yes, the windows sim doesn't support unicode filenames. No easy way to work around that afaik 21.16.03 # ok, thanks for the info. 21.16.26 Join ctaf [0] (n=ctaf@ram94-6-82-242-23-70.fbx.proxad.net) 21.16.38 Part ctaf 21.18.10 Join kkurbjun [0] (n=kkurbjun@c-71-56-227-141.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 21.18.33 # markun, there's a problem with usb mode on the gigabeat X's now? 21.18.49 # does anyone know where the reverse cursor icon is used in rockbox? 21.19.10 # do you know someone I can work with to fix the bugs that are now occurring? 21.19.11 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 21.20.45 # markun, let me know. I will be available in another 4 hours if you are still around then. 21.21.16 Join cronic`da [0] (n=cronic@p3ee355f5.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.21.33 # hi 21.21.38 # as a note, I think it has to do with the change I made to gpg12. nothing else should have changed the functionality 21.21.39 # i need german support... 21.23.44 Join BiptoN [0] (n=BiptoN@cpe-76-166-195-170.socal.res.rr.com) 21.24.10 Join xwaydoublecode12 [0] (i=505cf68e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b057683f177d6ebf) 21.24.55 Quit desowin ("use linux") 21.24.57 # hmm anyone here? 21.25.03 # me here 21.25.04 # linuxstb: have you looked at my post about recording yet? I thought i would get some more info to ya in case you wanted to know more 21.25.06 # )) 21.25.07 # kk, 21.25.12 # linuxstb: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6989 21.25.14 # ehm... sry my english is bad :P 21.25.44 # Hmm, seems like I found the solution how to support unicode in the win32 sim 21.25.46 # also... when i play a song from a album on my ipod 5g (video) i will see the album picture.. 21.26.11 # Can we safely assume that nobody wants to build / run the win32 sim on win 95? 21.26.18 # * amiconn guesses we can 21.26.24 # what is the name of the album picutre? how i must rename it 21.26.44 # Can probably check via ifdef, if we want to allow building for it. 21.26.45 # read the manual as cool people say 21.27.03 # cronic`da: there are serveral options - check the wiki 21.27.24 # xwaydoublecode12: it is not in the manual (not an official feature) 21.27.25 # i always check it ;) 21.27.35 # but i dont find the right topic... 21.27.54 # sorry... wiki ^) 21.27.54 # amiconn: as far as I'm concerned, we can also ditch win98 21.28.01 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=AlbumArt 21.28.18 # cronic`da: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt 21.28.31 Part Lars_G ("Leaving") 21.28.39 # petur: It's just that if we compile an unicode version, it will only run on NT based windows and winme, plus win98 if unicode support is installed 21.29.16 # What we need is just two #defines, plus some filename translation between utf-8 and ucs2 in io.c 21.29.23 # amiconn: I know, and for win95 there's some workaround but imho it's not worth it 21.29.29 # also the name of the picture must be cover.bmp ? 21.29.32 Join eatnumber1 [0] (n=eatnumbe@iarerouter.csh.rit.edu) 21.30.10 # i have a question.... why rb games have such poor graphics? is this because of the weak hardware of the player or nobody wants/can/have free time to improve them? 21.30.23 # cronic`da: check the link you were given. as I said there are several versions 21.30.30 # Hmm, something isn't right yet 21.30.45 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.31.02 # Lear: nice green line in the delta table :) 21.31.05 Join Xerion [0] (i=xerion@vhe-382201.sshn.net) 21.31.16 # Thanks. 21.32.17 # hmm ok its not easy xD 21.32.43 # i have a question.... why rb games have such poor graphics? is this because of the weak hardware of the player or nobody wants/can/have free time to improve them? i can help with it, but i dont know if somebody will use my work 21.32.58 # you mean like doom? 21.33.08 # no ^) doom rockz 21.33.15 # spider 21.33.18 # solitare 21.33.27 # they look boring 21.33.35 # probably lack of improvement, but I think doom is the upper limit of the hardware 21.33.52 # XOBOX 21.33.57 # spider solitaire isn't even part of official rockbox yet 21.34.04 # i think it has not reach the limit yet 21.34.15 # HA they ARE 21.34.27 # they are in the daily builds 21.34.40 # am i wrong 21.35.00 # "plain" solitaire is part - but not spider 21.36.06 # so... if ill draw some kind of the concept... will it be useful? 21.36.07 # Interesting coincidence that only coldfire targets have lcd remotes - and all of them do... 21.36.34 # you could check the patch tracker and ask the author of the plugin how you could improve the graphics... 21.37.16 # (for spider solitaire I mean) 21.38.19 # thanks for idea ^) i am a bit slow... head 21.40.57 Join jhulst_ [0] (n=jhulst@148.61.92.172) 21.41.34 Quit cronic`da ("get satisfied! • :: ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» www.gamersirc.net ::") 21.41.54 Quit eatnumber1 ("Leaving") 21.44.23 Join bluebrother [0] (i=H0eNKscG@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 21.45.27 # since i have an obssesion with semi-transparency, can i make alpha-blending icons? 21.45.40 # as in edit the icon.c :) 21.46.50 # won't that slow list scrolling ? 21.47.44 # it certanly will :) 21.48.41 # Do whatever you want in your plugin, but true alpha is a big no-no in the core unless someone comes up with some really clever code 21.49.19 # hey, i didn't say that i want to make smth to be included in the svn 21.49.37 # And with clever code I don't mean stuff that slows down text drawing 10 times or more. Even without alpha the text drawing isn't exactly fast on 16 bit targets 21.52.04 Quit xwaydoublecode12 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.52.08 # amiconn: can i post an iconset with several backgrounds, beside the magenta (transparent) one, fore better looking icons? 21.52.21 # for* 21.53.21 Join eatnumber1 [0] (n=eatnumbe@iarerouter.csh.rit.edu) 21.53.48 Quit eatnumber1 (Client Quit) 21.54.55 Quit jhulst (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.58.15 # ok, i'll do that :P 21.58.29 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.00.26 Quit billytwowilly (Remote closed the connection) 22.06.03 Join billytwowilly [0] (n=chris@S01060016b649355d.ed.shawcable.net) 22.15.26 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 22.15.37 Part kaaloo 22.17.51 Join Xerion [0] (i=xerion@vhe-382201.sshn.net) 22.30.16 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.30.33 # * XavierGr becomes silly and builds his own tower of rockbox based on the idea of the previous Rockbox Devcon! 22.31.06 # that's not silly, that's very important research! ;-P 22.31.25 # Bagder: picture incoming :P 22.32.08 # Hmm, io.c starts looking like a real mess, but I have at least the simulated root working with unicode on win32 :) 22.32.46 # * amiconn wonders whether _wopendir exists on linux 22.33.03 # (and likewise, _wopen, _wreaddir etc) 22.33.25 Quit ompaul ("syn ack food") 22.34.56 # what's the purpose of it? provide wide characters directly instead of "encoded"? 22.34.56 # http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/5b98558198.jpg 22.35.09 # heh I like it! :D 22.35.28 # Yes, _wopendir & friends work on wchar_t "strings" 22.35.37 # strange the link doesn't have the pic? 22.35.39 Quit GodEater (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.36.03 # If that would be available on linux, it would save a lot of ifdefs 22.36.28 # http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/5959/img0204zh4.jpg 22.36.29 # I don't think it is 22.37.57 # risky tower though, the gigabeat is very close to collapse, and there are no rubber bumpers for it like the archos 22.38.20 # XavierGr: I will sell you a new one if you break it ;) 22.38.58 # heh :) 22.40.21 Join Xerion [0] (n=xerion@vhe-382201.sshn.net) 22.41.26 # toffe82: you wouldn't have a spare lcd display for a gigabeat, would you? 22.42.17 # XavierGr: hope you didn't install a recent svn build for that thing in the lower middle :/ 22.43.20 # pixelma: well I don't use the ondio too much, so no it has on old build, why is the new builds broken? 22.45.06 # it's broken since JdGordon's icon commit - check today's log at around 17:00 22.45.08 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.46.35 # well the new icons look sweet on the wiki 22.46.47 # roolku: for a F or X ? 22.46.51 Nick _pill is now known as pill (i=pill@sloth.shellfx.net) 22.46.54 # so I am going to update all my other targets 22.47.18 # toffe82: for an F (unless they are pincompatible) 22.47.32 # there are not 22.47.48 # pity 22.48.12 # got a player with a broken display here :( 22.48.36 # I might have a good one ( I know that I have one with a dead pixel and another one with some scratch) but I should have a good one 22.48.42 Join Xerion [0] (i=xerion@vhe-382201.sshn.net) 22.49.07 # you need the case also ? 22.49.46 # toffe82: not really 22.50.11 # toffe82: I would even take a dead pixel one 22.50.53 # toffe82: maybe we should take this to pm, as it is not of general interest 22.52.23 # yes 22.54.21 # playing '-q 10' ogg's is pretty heavy on my iriver 22.55.31 # what is the username for the twiki? 22.56.02 # * preglow doesn't really see the point with menu entry icons 22.56.56 Quit chelli ("Client exiting") 22.57.45 # SliMM: you need to register with your real name first and then come here and ask for write access 22.58.20 # yes, i want to upload an icon set, i have already registered, but what's the username? 22.58.45 # no, what's *your* username 22.59.35 # wow eli's icons are quite cool 22.59.51 # yes, what's *my* username? 22.59.54 # SliMM: are you StefanSaftescu ? 22.59.58 # yes 23.00.04 # one sec 23.00.07 # ok 23.01.08 # SliMM: done 23.02.05 # what is my username now? :) 23.02.12 # StefanSaftescu 23.02.14 # ok 23.05.53 Join johnnyoc3 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-71-143-19-189.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) 23.06.54 Quit davina ("byeeeeee!") 23.08.21 # Hah! 23.08.34 # This will be macro heavy, but it works :D 23.09.58 Quit barrywardell_ (Remote closed the connection) 23.10.02 Quit barrywardell () 23.10.33 Quit Mmmm (Remote closed the connection) 23.11.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.15.07 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 23.16.56 # so how do i edit the wiki? 23.17.21 Join ceaser [0] (n=ceaser@cpe-71-72-73-134.columbus.res.rr.com) 23.19.45 # SliMM: press the edit button? 23.20.09 # what about the iconset? 23.20.30 # what about it? 23.22.59 # SliMM: check how the current page is written and learn 23.25.03 Quit johnnyoc3 ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 23.29.47 # hum 23.30.00 # all the patch on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=4 aren't include on the svn 23.30.03 # ? 23.31.05 Quit kubiix ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 23.31.33 # rift: no, they aren't 23.32.35 # ok 23.32.45 Quit z35 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.33.23 Join z35 [0] (n=z@adsl-35-181-82.dab.bellsouth.net) 23.33.50 Quit SliMM (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.34.57 Quit Nibbier (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.35.40 Join Nibbier [0] (n=sven@port-212-202-177-141.dynamic.qsc.de) 23.37.39 # hmmm those silk icons look nice, bit big for my h300 though 23.40.14 Quit Nibbier (Remote closed the connection) 23.40.32 Quit PaulJam (".") 23.41.35 # hum 23.41.55 Quit Rob222241 () 23.41.58 # when i make the svn i have the same error : http://pastebin.ca/273268 23.42.07 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B14FC4.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.42.37 # is that a clean svn checkout? 23.42.44 # yes 23.43.10 # wrong gcc version? 23.43.23 # gcc 4.1.2 23.43.49 # the path in the pastebin says 4.0.3 23.44.01 # and 4.0.3 is what you should use 23.44.04 # wrong past bin 23.44.12 # ok 23.44.37 # rift: Your arm-elf-gcc is 4.1.2 ? 23.44.38 # rockboxdev.sh is your friend 23.44.58 Join Nibbier [0] (n=sven@port-212-202-177-141.dynamic.qsc.de) 23.45.02 # it isn't mine anymore 23.45.12 # 3.4.3 23.45.13 # * linuxstb gives rockboxdev.sh a cookie 23.45.41 # petur: forgot to pat it nicely? ;-) 23.45.45 # * amiconn gets closer to a fully working unicode-enabled win32 sim 23.46.25 # Bagder: nah, something went wrong buidling the arm crosscompiler 23.46.38 # and it takes ages under cygwin :( 23.46.45 # indeed it does 23.47.48 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 23.47.52 # where rockboxdev.sh install gcc ? 23.47.56 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 23.47.56 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 23.48.10 # rift: read/edit the top comments of the script 23.48.25 # well, edit the assignments not the comments :-) 23.49.04 # petur, use linux :P 23.50.01 # bluebrother: it's hard to get used to it... 23.50.28 # I managed it, so it's definitely doable ;-) 23.50.47 # but I agree, it's quite different. Might be a strength of linux though. 23.51.18 # well not for tonight, I'm off 23.51.24 Quit petur ("Zzzzz") 23.51.35 Join Lars_G [0] (n=lars@unaffiliated/lars-g/x-000001) 23.51.40 # Oh yes I forgot to ask 23.51.42 # * linuxstb breaks into petur's house and steals his mouse 23.51.53 # reminds me of this quote ... 23.51.54 # how many teenager slaves did you guys get? 23.52.09 # 4 23.52.14 # Not bad. 23.52.19 # I hope you use them well 23.52.21 # petur, when reading logs: Linux has been pretty secure against hackers for years now. The trouble is that until recently it was just as secure against normal users. -- Andrew Brown, The Guardian, 2007 23.52.32 # So far, I'm about %99.9999 satisfied with RB 23.52.47 # what's the missing .0001%? 23.53.52 # The minor stuff, basically battery life on the iPod (can live with it) and better support for complex and broken .m4a based podcasts (Not really needed, i am listening to most of my podcasts in the Palm with Kinoma 4 over wifi) 23.55.23 # But in general, rockbox makes me die with glee 23.55.34 # I would like a special plugin/program but I might make it myself someday 23.59.01 Quit Nibbier (Remote closed the connection)