--- Log for 20.04.107 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot- Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 8 days and 22 hours ago 00.00.07 # pixelma: I have an Iaudio X5.. it only gives me like 45 minutes of MP3 playback before it goes kaput 00.00.22 # mirak: the obvious is a powerful reasoning tool :) 00.00.45 # mirak: I haven't looked at your patch but I'm assuming the issue is that your patch isn't suitable for committing as it is, so it needs someone to work on it to clean it up... Which is why it hasn't been committed yet. 00.00.47 # * amiconn_ tries to find out what the proper 16:9 version for the mini would be 00.00.49 # Saureus: If your battery life is that bad, you need a new battery. 00.00.58 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 00.00.58 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 00.01.09 # Llorean: where do I find them? 00.01.17 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.01.22 # 80x144 I'd think 00.01.36 Quit ender` (" You don't have to think too hard when you talk to teachers. -- J. D. Salinger") 00.02.29 # Saureus: Dunno, honestly 00.02.53 # jhMikeS linuxstb amiconn well it's like nobody looked at the code, beside the guy that tried to separate it in one pure asm file 00.02.55 # Thanks, I'll call around. I hope they aren't too expensive. 00.03.03 Part hcs 00.03.13 # I didn't new how to do it personnaly 00.05.39 Quit midgey () 00.06.15 Quit JazzBone ("Verlassend") 00.07.25 Join MrStaticVoid [0] (n=jlee@resnet-237-154.resnet.UMBC.EDU) 00.08.00 Join EbErT [0] (n=EbErT@adsl-211-221-250.asm.bellsouth.net) 00.08.17 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3005.gwdg.de) 00.10.13 Quit Febs ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 00.10.29 Quit ompaul ("night all") 00.10.37 Quit MrStaticVoid ("Lost terminal") 00.10.49 # jhMikeS: I'm not sure what you mean by "similar to how it's done for any mpeg audio" - VBR mp3 files are helped with VBR headers, which are not in program streams. 00.10.59 # dionoea: I guess until there's direct blit support for overlays, the YUV buffer is the only place for it 00.12.02 # as far I understand you want me to tell what must be done 00.12.07 # linuxstb_: I don't really know right now for sure...something must be workable though...hrm 00.12.15 # or more do it in fact lol 00.12.18 Quit Saureus () 00.13.29 # jhMikeS: What would be the advantage of demuxing on read? 00.15.02 # 1) streams are more independent 2) we don't buffer data we don't care about 3) watermarks can be optimal for each stream 00.15.27 # 1) is obvious, but I don't see what advantage it has 00.15.44 # You have to demux at some point between read and output 00.15.55 # I don't understand 2) 00.16.17 # that only takes a tiny buffer though since no packet can be larger than 64K+misc 00.16.18 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 00.16.33 Quit Soap2 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00.16.49 # And for the watermarks... you need to rebuffer as soon as less than N seconds are left in the buffer, and that should be equal for audio and video afaiu (+/- a some milliseconds) 00.17.14 # right, and we'll need to track the combined bitrate for that on the fly 00.17.24 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 00.17.47 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 00.18.00 # ? 00.18.10 # Why not just take the maximum if its vbr? 00.18.29 # That's what the hwcodec playback engine does for vbr mp3 00.18.30 # can do that 00.19.00 # It calculates the watermark based on bitrate, and for vbr it just calculates based on 320kbps 00.19.02 # Well, maximum for a mpa is 448kbps 00.19.22 # I'd say we can safely ignore mp1 00.19.37 # lotsa things must have changed in rockbox, because now i get data errors when trying to play anything 00.19.57 # i index from mp3's handled by itunes 00.20.17 # EbErT: Sounds like you need to install the latest bootloader. 00.20.23 # though if we just base bps on the overall read rate then audio and video should look alike pre-demux 00.20.26 # * amiconn wondered why .mpeg wasn't supported on his mini g2, until he realised that he still had mpa.patch applied :\ 00.20.41 # ah, maybe so! didn't know that changed 00.20.58 # do i just install it on top of the old one, no formatting? 00.21.19 # Yes, just follow the install instructions in the manual - basically just download and run ipodpatcher. 00.21.37 # cool, wont lose anything, thx 00.22.37 # hmmmm 00.22.40 # amiconn: Thinking about it, there might be problems on the greyscale ipods due to the cache. 00.22.55 # Video looks smooth on mini g2, but audio stutters 00.24.02 # That's odd. 00.24.12 Quit NET||abuse (Remote closed the connection) 00.24.35 # It sounds like libmad can't keep up, so the sound is interrupted periodically 00.24.50 # ...several times per second 00.25.42 # But audio and video stay in sync 00.27.23 Quit oKtosiTe (Remote closed the connection) 00.27.27 # The greyscale lib uses a timer to update the LCD? 00.27.32 # * amiconn doesn't think it's especially odd 00.27.34 # yes 00.27.59 # So that's probably on the main CPU... 00.28.39 # The grayscale lib uses a timer interrupt to shove data to the lcd, and with the slowish pp lcd controller, the isr runs for a significant amount of time 00.28.50 Join NET||abuse [0] (n=lukeab@87.198.27.172) 00.29.51 # On H1x0 and M5 this is no problem at all, we can push ~850fps to the lcd and only need 70 00.29.54 # OK, that explains it. Normally on PP targets, the main CPU is only decoding audio, which is why I thought it odd that it stuttered. 00.30.07 # On mini 2g we can only push 155fps to the lcd and need 88 00.30.29 # havin great trouble getting this ipod mini to register on my machine in disk mode,, i reset the ipod, then get it into disk mode, it has a big tick and says "OK to disconnect" then i plug in , dmesg shows this line "usb 1-5: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 3" 00.30.31 # So more than half of the (main) cpu time is spent in the isr 00.30.39 # how can i get this thing to connect up right?? :( 00.31.07 # That's even worse than on archos, btw (where it's almost exactly 50% for fullscreen) 00.31.11 # it's just not going any further than that on the dmesg log 00.32.36 # But in spite of all this, the grayscale lib is significantly faster on pp than it is on coldfire, due to all the bit shifting/shuffling when converting gray->planar 00.32.59 # NET||abuse: Have you tried rebooting your PC? People have reported (including me, although not recently) the Linux USB stack crashing and requiring a reboot. 00.33.05 # arm simply loves to shift... 00.33.35 # * dionoea updates the patch and goes to bed. 00.33.37 # good night 00.34.07 # linuxstb, yep, just rebooted and was trying again when i asked the question, so was just after a reboot 00.35.38 # amiconn: So does it look like it's playing the full 24fps? 00.36.16 # I can't tell for sure. fps display doesn't work, and the grayscale lib gets grainy when changing content fast, due to the way it works 00.36.38 # A precalculated stream of b&w frames works way better in that case (i.e. rvf) 00.37.03 # linuxstb, just got it to register in rythmbox on my laptop, also on edgy 00.37.32 # But it looks smooth, unlike on coldfire 00.37.49 # Although that might be due to jhMikeS's other improvements. 00.37.52 # linuxstb: Care to prepare a 16:9 version? 00.38.00 # Unless you've tested it recently on Coldfire... 00.38.11 # a few days ago... 00.38.37 # amiconn: Sure. I'll set it encoding now and upload it in the morning. Sleep is calling me. 00.38.41 Quit GodEater (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.38.45 # yay,, ok, now i can go through with this installation :) 00.40.42 Quit midgey () 00.42.14 Part EbErT 00.43.14 # ho hum, what version of ipod mini is this??? hmm 00.46.37 # Does it state the capacity on the back? 00.46.51 # linuxstb_: Which encoder do you use again? I 'd like to try ED on Coldfire with B frames. 00.47.08 # mpeg2enc - part of the mjpegtools project. 00.47.29 # linuxstb: Doesn't ipodpatcher autodetect the ipod type? 00.47.46 # were the smaller ones made from the 320x240 source or was there another original? 00.48.12 # linuxstb, yeh, it's the 4GB version 00.48.19 # linuxstb, so is that Gen1? 00.48.26 # amiconn: Yes. it does... 00.48.38 # NET||abuse: Just run ipodpatcher, and it will tell you. 00.48.55 # right, ok. 00.49.09 # jhMikeS: All the encodings were from the 1920x1080 HD version. 00.49.25 # wow 00.49.37 # * amiconn just has the dvd version 00.49.41 # Overkill, perhaps... 00.49.51 # * amiconn considers anything above that overkill 00.50.05 Part BjornW 00.50.09 # linuxstb_: Where's that one? 00.50.35 # I just downloaded it from the ED website. I'm sure it was listed with all the other formts. 00.50.42 # ah, ok 00.50.42 # ^formats 00.52.06 # linuxstb: My latest test obviously was on the 14th, because that's the build on my H300 00.53.17 # Bah, mpegplayer just froze :( 00.53.29 Quit mirak (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.53.41 Join joaa [0] (i=joe@host86-134-238-224.range86-134.btcentralplus.com) 00.53.58 Quit joaa (Client Quit) 00.57.31 # It's a bit better than last week on H300, but still not really usable (even widescreen) 01.00.14 # could it be a sign of a failing harddrive if chkdsk is often showing filesystem errors? 01.03.29 Quit petur ("here today, gone tomorrow") 01.04.00 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@dsl8-ip031-grr.wmis.net) 01.06.22 Quit pabs (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01.08.29 # On X5 widescreen is watchable 01.11.21 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 01.13.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.15.27 Join NOCARRIER [0] (n=NOCARRIE@72-18-68-35.texlink.com) 01.15.40 # is it a good idea to take a dd from both partitions on your ipod before working on uploading rockbox? copying images of sda1 and sda2 ? 01.16.06 # i'm working on just an old 4GB mini, so not a huge copy for my 160GB drive 01.21.42 # I didn't see anything in the guidelines about this, so I'll ask: I'm currently looking to purchase a primary DAP and rockbox it. I'm looking at either the iAudio X5 or the Toshiba Gigabeat. Any reviews I can find are based on the OF, but I'm interested in how the units compare with RB. Does anyone here have experience with both units and has a minute or two to spare discussing them? 01.21.57 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 01.23.26 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 01.24.09 Quit PaulJam (".") 01.24.17 Join Soap2 [0] (n=Soap@65.23.15.14.nw.nuvox.net) 01.24.47 # I find the benchmarks for the Mpegplayer plugin quite interesting, and they are what first made me consider the Gigabeat. I would like video, but audio quality and battery life are my main concerns. 01.25.44 # yawn.... 36GB copied from sda2..... zzzzz 01.25.59 # NOCARRIER: if you does care about video, Gigabeat is a better bet for you 01.26.49 # x5's screen is smaller (160*120) 01.26.50 # audio is good also on the gigabeat, don't know about the Iaudio 01.26.56 # good too 01.27.06 # umm, i mean 3.8GB copied :) 01.27.25 # * moos cheers FM and recording and USB OTG on his iaudio 01.27.59 Part toffe82 01.28.02 # I keep hearing people say the X5 has the best audio, but I can't find any info (even subjective data) on how big the difference is. This leads me to believe it's not a great difference. 01.28.39 # difference doesn't sounds significative imho for a normal hear 01.28.42 # * NOCARRIER didn't think RB supported the OTG on the X5. 01.28.49 # both will sounds good enough for you 01.28.55 # not yet 01.29.17 # no usb OTG at all on Rockbox yet 01.30.15 # Makes sense. OTG is a PITA to work with when you have all the tech docs, and it's not exactly a I-need-it-every-day feature. :-) 01.30.26 # hehe :) 01.31.00 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 01.31.16 # X5 is also easier to put on the pocket (it is smaller than gigabeat) 01.31.43 # bad point for me on iaudios, that the dependency to the subpack for usb or charge 01.31.59 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 01.32.27 # Hmmm...how does it compare (size-wise) to the iPod (pick a gen)? 01.32.50 Part toffe82 01.32.57 # I've read the numbers, but they never quite give you the same impression that holding something does :) 01.35.12 # * moos never use ipods ;) 01.36.29 Join juxtap [0] (n=juxtap@wbs-41-208-195-73.wbs.co.za) 01.36.58 # * NOCARRIER had to use his brother-in-law's. He didn't keep the id3 tags updated for all the songs, so using that thing hurt. A lot. 01.37.56 # * moos never used either itunes :p 01.38.47 # One of the things I love about RB is the fact that if I don't like the interface, I can just make a new WPS :) 01.39.50 # cosmetic and eyes candy isn't the best point of Rockbox, by far 01.39.51 Quit dandin1 () 01.40.07 # but lot of really usuful feature for a DAP 01.40.20 # feature*s* even 01.40.33 # If the audio works, and I can play the music I want, I don't really care what the screen looks like. 01.41.00 # Eye candy (especially customizable eye candy) never hurts though ;-) 01.41.03 # indeed, that's rockbox's spirit 01.41.30 # eyes candy on "background" 01.45.19 Quit inversions (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.46.10 Quit midgey () 01.46.23 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 01.46.48 # One last query about the two before I leave you alone: How is the battery life on the units under RB? The benchmarks show 14-19 hours, but I doubt that's indicative of real life usage (backlight, file browsing, etc). 01.47.42 # if you want the best runtime, go for an M5 01.47.51 # but greyscale target 01.48.27 # M5 or X5? 01.48.37 # M5 01.48.44 # the greyscale version 01.51.13 # good point of gigabeat too, they are cheaper 01.51.30 # * NOCARRIER googles around for good prices on the M5 (the X5 (refurb) and Gigabeat F40 were both around the mark) 01.51.44 # \$140 (stupid IRC client) 01.52.17 # weeeeeee,,, got it on the ipod,, thanks for that fun :) now i wuz gonna wipe all the ipod format directories off the drive.. is that ok to do? 01.52.30 # wuz.. ug,, what's happening to me.. 01.53.10 # Thanks for the help, moos! 01.53.19 # no problems 01.55.01 Quit NOCARRIER ("Whee!") 01.56.46 # moos: the M5 doesn't have a radio or USBotg but then it doesn't need the subpack for charging or USB transfers nut can use it if you want to have line-in recording 01.56.51 # for example 01.56.58 # good point 01.57.11 Nick Spec is now known as x-spec-t (n=nwheeler@ubuntu/member/spec) 01.59.01 # time to say moo :) 01.59.09 # good night europeans 01.59.19 Quit moos ("Glory to Rockbox") 02.01.32 Quit juxtap (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.11.49 Quit Rincewind ("Cya") 02.22.27 Join Topy44 [0] (n=Topy44@xdsl-81-173-152-235.netcologne.de) 02.22.39 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@adsl-69-208-79-209.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) 02.30.13 Quit mister_pink () 02.31.17 Quit roolku () 02.36.39 Join brenda [0] (n=brenda@leibniz.catalyst.net.nz) 02.37.14 Quit brenda (Remote closed the connection) 02.37.19 Join br3nda|mobile [0] (n=brenda@leibniz.catalyst.net.nz) 02.41.47 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.42.09 Quit lids (Remote closed the connection) 02.43.00 Quit Topy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.43.16 Quit Soap2 (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.43.55 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 02.52.32 Join Soap2 [0] (n=Soap@65.23.15.14.nw.nuvox.net) 02.53.52 Quit NET||abuse ("Leaving") 02.56.21 Join lids [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-3f2aa42ee0fe07b7) 02.57.24 Quit Nico_P (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.03.03 Part pixelma 03.05.57 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 03.12.38 # do the switches in these hardware, when you tell them to assign a port to mutiple vlan, does it do the tagging in conformance with 802.1Q? 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My 5.5G 30GB iPod Video is apparently trying to boot to original firmware. However, when my original firmware boots, for some reason it crashes immediately and reboots the iPod. Does any one have any idea what I can do to stop this? 08.33.38 # restore it using iTunes would be favourite 08.34.51 # okay, thank you 08.35.39 Quit BRi7Xtra (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.44.02 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjorn@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 08.57.30 Join cadu [0] (i=cadu___@ZS119119.ppp.dion.ne.jp) 08.58.05 # yo! back again , question under translating : do i really have to translate the 'voice' section ? :) (portuguese-brazil) will it ever be implemented ? 08.58.38 # cadu: if you want to be able to generate a voice for your language 08.59.02 # but it can always be done/improved later 08.59.22 # coz right now there are no pt-br voices, and i'm translating the whole bulk myself :) 09.00.13 # but there are no voices because A) there's no translation and B) nobody did any yet 09.01.31 # Iirc there are pt-br voices available for some tts engines, so if portuguese-brazil has the strings, one could make a voice file 09.01.52 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3593f9fbd25958cf) 09.02.06 # Whether it is allowed to be distributed is another question; commercial tts engines often have strange licensing conditions :( 09.03.11 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 09.04.09 # amiconn: got it, so to speed the release of my language file i'll do the text part now, and later on i'll release a version with the voice tags also (right now everything: voice and text are at 31% done) 09.04.53 # btw can i leave some "# FIXME' at the file so i can restart later on at points i think i can improve and to signal where i left the voice translation at 09.05.01 # Sounds like a plan... 09.05.30 # this will like, speed up the translation process twofold :) 09.05.46 # * cadu 's fingers wink :) 09.08.05 # morning all 09.08.25 Join crop [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5150d236eff0b571) 09.10.09 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc3-rdng11-0-0-cust229.winn.cable.ntl.com) 09.13.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.16.12 # amiconn: here? 09.18.54 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 09.19.05 # rockbox.iriver is now in /.rockbox, right? 09.19.12 # yes 09.19.35 # amiconn: why did you use the two dimensional array in the sim? 09.20.31 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 09.20.31 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 09.20.53 # * petur hands amiconn a better internet connection 09.21.03 # petur: is IriverFlashing in the wiki correct then? Quote: "Navigate to rockbox.iriver, which is located in the root directory of your iriver." 09.21.12 # petur: Nah, that was me changing wlan<->ethernet 09.21.21 # crop: You mean in utf8_to_ucs2() ? 09.21.47 # amiconn: yes. Why not pass the target buffer as a parameter and use the correct parameter in the macro? 09.22.12 # Saving ifdefs, mainly 09.23.07 Quit Slowking_Man (Client Quit) 09.23.11 # amiconn: how so? The two static buffers would only be defined for windows, and used in windows macros 09.23.18 # I wanted a method that gets away without extra ifdefs in the individual file access functions 09.23.27 # Hmm, you mean global? 09.23.43 # ... so you have the same amount of ifdef's 09.23.50 # That would work... but what would be the real difference? 09.23.53 # amiconn: I mean static 09.24.15 # jhMikeS: around? 09.24.21 # amiconn: better readable code. I was confused at first about the two dim buffer. 09.25.17 Quit kkurbjun ("Leaving.") 09.26.58 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 09.27.00 Quit RaRe ("The Evolution of Medicine - 2000 BC - Here, eat this root. 1000 AD - That root is heathen. Here, say this prayer. 1850 AD - T) 09.27.26 # Aren't the images on the wiki page KeymapIriverHSeries copied from the iriver manual which is copyrighted? 09.27.36 # Anyone else finding that the simulator's MPEGPlayer is running video at full speed, but audio at the correct speed. Makes no difference if I have l limit FPS enabled or not, as long as Skip Frames is disabled. 09.27.58 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 09.28.17 Quit himitsu (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 09.28.42 # crop: IriverFlashing page is fixed ;) 09.28.47 # i.e. full speed meaning flat out, much faster than the correct speed. 09.29.15 # pondlife: saw the same yesterday evening 09.29.26 # On sim? 09.29.41 # yes 09.29.55 # what Screen Scrolls Out of View really does? been not able to test it and the manual is a bit cryptic on this option 09.30.04 # only slowed down when I enabled skip frames 09.30.55 # petur: I was about to do the same but you was faster! 09.31.26 # petur: Yes, but enabling skip frames causes it to run too slowly, albeit in sync. 09.31.43 # crop: :p if you find more errors, feel free to fix, got payed work (tm) to do now 09.32.04 # pondlife: exactly 09.33.01 # petur: ok. I just wanted to confirm that a correction is needed. 09.36.05 Join bleech [0] (n=j@ip68-101-122-30.oc.oc.cox.net) 09.36.42 # Hmm, I'm getting some garbage icons today too. 09.37.19 Join eli_sherer [0] (n=eli@84.228.197.206) 09.37.22 # Looks like the icon code isn't handling a misconfiguration properly. 09.37.49 Quit davina ("byeeeeee!") 09.38.17 # do any of you guys have recommendations on what is the best portable music player to use with rockbox? 09.38.48 # bleech: depends on what you want to do with it 09.38.50 # Depends on your requirements, but the Gigabeat is well regarded I hear. 09.39.02 # i would like something with at least 10 GB 09.39.12 # preferably hardware accelerated flac and ogg 09.39.13 # How about recording or radio? 09.39.14 # playbak 09.39.20 # fm-radio? recording? ... 09.39.22 # those would be nice options 09.39.30 # but not necessary 09.39.43 # oh 09.39.46 # and battery life is important 09.39.56 # Well the Gigabeat has the most powerful CPU. 09.40.00 # iaudio M5 ? 09.40.17 # probably hard to find 09.40.56 # well the targets rb runs best on are all hard to find these days ;) 09.41.08 # It has always been the way of Rockbox :) 09.41.16 # heeh 09.41.29 # yeah, but I think gigabeats are easier to find than M5s 09.41.56 # do any of you use ipods? 09.42.05 # * pondlife doesn't 09.42.10 # I'll wait a few more years and then I'll sell my old recorder for a fortune! ;-P 09.42.23 # B4gder: Haha, I sold mine recently for not much. 09.42.24 # B4gder: but if huge battery life is wanted... I remember M5 beating all records 09.42.37 # What's the capacity of the M5? 09.42.37 Join rift [0] (n=opera@242.56.70-86.rev.gaoland.net) 09.42.40 # i.e. GB 09.42.48 # i have a gigabeat and i'm satisfied with it, bleech 09.42.55 # bought a month ago (Gigabeat F20) 09.43.39 # plays everything i throw at it perfectly, with crossfading and whatever else turned on, and plays for like 14 hours unattended or 11/12h with my usual *jumpy* behavior :) 09.43.41 Join Siltaar [0] (n=Siltaar@reverse-52.fdn.fr) 09.43.49 # wow 09.43.54 # ah M5 has no radio? 09.43.54 # IMHO, the PortalPlayer-based targets (including iPods) are best avoided 09.44.05 # bleech: but no radio (i don't use it anyway, don't care) 09.44.06 # i have a huge collection of stuff in flac too 09.44.34 # pondlife: crap battery life (compared to ipod OF) 09.44.35 # radio would be a nice addition, but i care much more about the other things i listed 09.45.11 # bleech: plays pacman on the go nicely :) with sound :P yay ! i'm so happy 09.45.15 # X5L is a pretty good run-time choice with radio 09.45.19 # * cadu throws rockboxed gigabeat in the air! 09.45.21 # hooray! 09.45.24 # hehe 09.45.28 # Don't drop it! 09.45.34 # i have tried out an ipod on rockbox 09.45.39 # it definitely takes a battery life hit 09.45.42 # my baby , jump! fly away! 09.45.44 # :) 09.45.47 # on rockbox 09.45.56 # * pondlife hears a splintering gigabeat. 09.46.05 # but that is to be expected with apple locking everything up 09.46.10 # bleech: but about device shortage, yeah, it's really hard to find a gigabeat F/X these days 09.46.14 # Well, it's more PortalPlayer. 09.46.42 # There are still many unknowns, Rockbox has done very well to get this far... 09.46.43 # i found mine on a used product store, being sold as new (probably store spare bought by these recycle shops) 09.46.50 # since when?? gigabeat is still very cheap and easy to find here in Oz and the most capable rockbox target...doesn't have recording or radio but is very stable 09.47.31 # why are the rockbox targets disappearing? 09.47.33 # My dream DAP would be an 80GB Gigabeat with recording. 09.47.44 # models are being retired for new, yet unsupported hardware? 09.47.58 # bleech: Because it takes 6 months or so to get a port stable, in which time the manufacturers have moved on. 09.48.05 # scubacoles: well good for you guys, here in Japan , the land of bleeding edge, anything more than 1 year old vanishes from the shelves 09.48.14 # bleech: the industry is fast these days, they push out new things all the time 09.48.26 # and we can't keep up with the pace 09.48.33 # so for me it was quite of a miracle to find it :) 09.48.38 # do you guys have to reverse-engineer stuff? 09.48.43 # 100% 09.48.44 # * pondlife wonders how long Archos had the Recorders as their cutting edge product. 09.48.50 # i bet most of these guys never provide specs 09.49.06 # Nobody has so far, IIUC. 09.49.08 Join RaRe [0] (n=Laffin_B@202-89-187-101.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) 09.49.11 # btw i still can't make the 'screen scrolls out of view' setting work so i can translate the string accordingly :P 09.49.16 # bleech: some of them use chips and hardware for which we can fine data sheets, but far from all 09.49.24 # s/fine/find 09.49.27 # that is such garbage 09.49.31 # the thing just doesn't scrolls out ! 09.50.09 Join inversions [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 09.50.20 # but good job on the hard work 09.50.27 # pondlife: I don't think even the Recorder was top of the line for very long, the multimedia stuff came rather soon afterwards 09.50.28 # i'll find something to use with it 09.50.41 # and the v2 and fm etc 09.51.42 # bleech: you won't be disappointed, i knew/read about rockbox something like 2 years ago, and since then i dreamed in someday buy something just to rockbox it :) 09.52.13 # Llorean: 09.52.19 # hehe 09.52.20 # when i found the Gigabeat it was like 'OOH' ,i bought the shit, threw the Toshiba Disc out the window (really) and installed rockbox ! 09.52.26 # my buddy put it on his ipod 09.52.27 # and loves it 09.52.36 # did yuo hit anyone with the disc you threw out the window ? :) 09.52.36 # all i had heard about at the time was ipodlinux 09.52.45 # so i was interested 09.52.54 # GodEater: i don't know, i'm reckless so i threw it up so it could hit someone at random. 09.52.55 # but i want something other than the almighty ipod 09.53.12 # how does the iaudio x5 perform? 09.53.16 # looks like those are readily available 09.53.29 # GodEater: but i live near a bunch of rice fields so chances are that i didn't hit anyone :( 09.53.46 # bleech: rockbox works fine on the x5, and if you find an x5L you'll get extremely fine run-times (but smaller disk) 09.53.51 # cadu: that's a bad thing ? :) 09.53.53 # seeing the disc spinning 15minutes after buying the player was like a freedom call ! ahhaah 09.54.06 # voooom...gone :) rockbox, welcome :) 09.54.18 # cadu: Better luck hitting someone next time:) 09.54.24 # thanks ! 09.54.32 # lmao. 09.54.51 Quit eli_sherer () 09.55.00 # btw, question: why pacman emulator/rockboy can run with sound and doom can't ? 09.55.12 # Do you mean with music playing? 09.55.13 # i mean, doom ran fine on 486dx2/66mhz 09.55.20 # yeah, concurrent music 09.55.29 # Memory usage I think. 09.55.35 # i.e. Doom needs the audio buffer to run. 09.55.38 # cadu: because it is designed like that, it nicks the audio buffer 09.55.44 # hmmm. memory , haven't thought of that 09.55.58 # speaking of -processor power- only it would be perfectly able, right ? 09.56.25 # Probably. 09.56.33 # nice 09.56.45 # people thrill with that 'plasma' plugin running with music :) ehhehehe 09.56.48 # looks so nice 09.57.20 # people with ipods get shy where i work, they start to say stuff like 'your player is so bulky, seems heavy, so BIG' 09.58.16 # just the -crossfading- already does some 'wows' at the crowd, as they're not techy enought to be thrilled by playability of other stuff than mp3 and itunes-drm-laden-stuff :) 09.58.53 # cadu: most people here know about rockbox already ;) 09.59.12 # ehhee, sorry :) 09.59.25 # most people won't understand the playability issue until their entire music collection is owned by others 09.59.25 # * linuxstb googles 09.59.50 # Only 9 out of the first 10 google hits are for our Rockbox... 10.00.01 Quit scubacoles ("This computer has gone to sleep") 10.01.17 # Any icon gurus around who could explain this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?getfile=13774 10.01.17 # ? 10.02.19 # I've logged a bug report for a potential buffer overflow (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7056), but would like to see if I've done something stoopid. 10.02.28 Join scubacoles [0] (n=scoles@122.49.151.111) 10.02.30 # Stating the obvious, it's the external viewers.bmp icons which are causing problems. 10.02.46 # i guess i have narrowed it down to the iaudio x5 or m5 10.02.51 # Yes, but there's no such garbage icon in that bmp. 10.03.01 # gigabeats are too hard to find 10.03.02 Quit scubacoles (Client Quit) 10.03.56 # This was working ok before, has the .icons file format changed in the past few days? We may also be missing a bounds check. 10.04.15 # bleech: Which part of the world are you in? 10.05.06 Quit crop ("CGI:IRC") 10.09.48 # california 10.11.01 # bleech: you're too late I guess. 4000 gigabeats (F40) were sold last week in 1 day. 10.11.08 # You missed a bargain (Gigabeat F40 for $99) from officedepot.com last week, but they sold out very quickly. You should be able to buy them on ebay though. 10.11.20 # damn 10.11.25 # that cheap? 10.11.36 # oh wow...how did i miss that? 10.11.38 # what are the specs on the f40? 10.11.39 # I think $99 is around the price they normally sell for on ebay. 10.11.45 # http://www.officedepot.com/ddSKU.do?level=SK&id=734578&cm_mmc=TLShopping-_-PriceRunner-_-Electronics-_-Toshiba%2040GB%20Digital%20Audio%20Player%20%7C still says "In Stock" 10.12.03 # bleech: 300MHz ARM CPU, 240x320 LCD, 40GB disk... 10.12.19 # http://www.officedepot.com/ddSKU.do?level=SK&id=734578 even 10.12.45 # bleech: No radio or recording, but I think others have mentioned that. 10.12.46 # bleech: btw, if you are looking for Gigabeat specs, don't look at the wikipedia page 10.12.51 # it's full of errors 10.13.07 # I should probably get an account for the English wikipedia and correct them 10.13.26 # you need an account for that? 10.13.26 # bleech: And I think people are getting around 16 hours runtime on a full charge with Rockbox. 10.13.45 # thats great 10.13.49 # I've edited the Rockbox wikipedia page numerous times without account 10.13.54 # B4gder: I would think so. I needed one when I was working on the Esperanto version. 10.14.03 # ok, I'll try it then 10.14.17 # does the filetype affect battery life significantly? 10.14.23 # like if i use mp3 vs. flac 10.14.38 # bleech: it affects how often the disk spins up etc, so it matters 10.14.46 # bitrate is probably the biggest factor - the higher the bitrate, the more disk spinups.... 10.15.06 # But that's slightly compensated because FLAC is less CPU-intensive to decode than mp3. 10.16.15 # how much worse would it be, as a rough estimate? 10.16.23 # 1/2 the battery life? 95%? 10.16.46 # I would guess about 70-80% but that's just a complete guess... 10.17.08 # Someone needs to do some measurements - I may well do some... 10.18.37 # I don't know how to start to 'fix' this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigabeat#Gigabeat_S_vs._Gigabeat_X 10.18.47 # it's almost completely untrue 10.19.04 # Hmm, my sim seems very ill. :( It refuses to build a database - like the thread's not running. 10.19.24 # markun: Replace "S" with "F" ? 10.20.01 # Although are they similar from a functionality viewpoint? 10.20.25 Join webguest46 [0] (i=c023110b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c93838a8b075d567) 10.22.19 # * linuxstb wonders what this means in the description of the Gigabeat U - "the first DAP to include a 1-bit digital-analog converter, which reduces the distortion and speeds up the recording process" 10.22.43 # d-a or a-d? 10.22.54 # The page says d-a 10.25.49 # I get bogus bitrate display on mp3 files on h140, latest firmware. all are 96kbit, but wps shows 40, 448, 80 etc. 10.26.14 # consistent, but wrong. the files are from a ripped shoutcast stream. 10.26.56 # Do they have any odd headers? 10.27.34 # do we have a good header analysis tool other than hexl-mode in emacs? ;) 10.27.44 # linuxstb: I deleted the whole section 10.28.03 # possibly they're simply badly cut in the rip, so they begin with half frames 10.28.44 # no, they begin with id3 frames 10.28.53 # Zagor: I normally use "madplay" as a first test - that will tell me if there are any unusual bytes at the beginning of the file, or if it's "clean". 10.29.07 # markun: probably best to add a bit to the discussion page to say you've done it, and why. 10.31.31 # madplay says "error: frame 0: lost synchronization", so it appears the id3 tag is poorly formed somehow. 10.32.55 Join marc| [0] (n=marc@128-222.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch) 10.33.06 # GodEater: I would like to change the complete layout of the page actually 10.33.37 # to have the specs for each player in a bullet list, instead of scattered around 10.35.17 # markun: well put that in the discussion page too - don't want you getting banned for "wiki vandalisation" ;) 10.36.16 # "Frankly, this article sucks. I've redone it. C'mon, try to at least do a little research first, guys"? 10.36.26 # that'd do :) 10.37.20 # Llorean: I've made a patch to the manual around the RoLo feature for the Gigabeat as discussed yesterday 10.38.04 # GodEater: Cool, good to hear 10.38.23 # but I can't find a good way to do the change to the installation page which describes the rockbox bootloader as giving dual boot functionality 10.39.13 # should I add a similar note there saying "Not currently working on the Gigabeat" ? 10.39.33 # Seems fair to me. 10.41.07 # GodEater: even the japanese version contains errors 10.42.23 # They claim that the X uses 18 bit colour and the F only 15, but both use in fact 16 bits (RGB555i) 10.45.35 Join brun0_ [0] (n=brun0_@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 10.47.12 Join Entasis [0] (n=Jarred@ppp48-102.lns11.adl2.internode.on.net) 10.50.03 # GodEater: also, it says that the F is the second generation, but I'm pretty sure the MEG50JS is the first one not part of the "G" series: http://journal.mycom.co.jp/news/2002/06/17/19a.jpg 10.50.21 # so that would make the F series 3rd gen 10.54.31 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 10.55.03 # Llorean: FS#7057 : if you care to review and possibly commit. 11.06.47 Join obo [0] (n=obo@host217-41-62-170.in-addr.btopenworld.com) 11.13.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.20.31 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/0000000000]") 11.24.26 Quit webguest46 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 11.27.53 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host62-222-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 11.29.24 Join norbusan [0] (i=norbert@81.75.222.194) 11.36.25 Join PaulJam [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3144.gwdg.de) 11.41.17 Part norbusan 11.42.45 Quit midgey () 11.48.23 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barry@dhcp-892b9ade.ucd.ie) 11.53.29 # amiconn: The 16:9 ED for your mini - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/144x80.zip 11.58.24 Part rift 12.00.31 Join rift [0] (n=rift@242.56.70-86.rev.gaoland.net) 12.05.10 # with the last mpegplayer modifications on my ipod nano video runs much faster than it should 12.05.31 # (limit fps=on and skip frames=off) 12.06.38 # You should never have skip frames off under normal playback conditions. 12.06.47 # But this does sound like a bug 12.10.10 # The skip frames option should only ever be disabled for when you're testing the maximum framerate. 12.11.59 # but if the video can run faster, i should not need to drop frames 12.12.23 # instead of dropping frame after a temporary slowdown, it can run faster and sync again with audio 12.13.52 # Look, I'm just telling you: You're not supposed to disable it for normal use. 12.14.07 # It's not intended to be disabled for anything outside of testing. 12.14.13 # spiorf: what's the FPS you get? 12.14.18 # and what should it be? 12.14.33 # (just curious) 12.14.35 # markun: I got 40 when it should be 25 12.14.46 # Skip Frames seems to be a requirement for framerate limiting now. 12.14.51 # ah, you have the same problem? 12.14.53 # ok 12.15.04 # Yeah, I do have it, but really, Skip Frames is not supposed to be disabled. 12.15.15 # heh, right now i can't test: i tried an older version and got data abort at 0xsomething 12.15.32 # If he wants to disable debug options, and they cause odd behaviour, it's really his problem, I think. 12.16.19 # I'm sure it'll either get fixed eventually, or the "Skip Frames" option will be removed altogether (or put somewhere where it's clearly a debug option) 12.16.42 # I think it's good that he reported it 12.17.12 # if settings don't do what they are supposed to do it's not just his problem 12.17.20 # It's a debug option, not a real setting. 12.17.25 # i didn't know that it was intended to be on 12.17.41 # it was just a thing like "hey, look, i got a bug using this settings" 12.17.52 # spiorf: exactly 12.18.12 # markun: I didn't say it was bad he reported it, I just tried to say that the fact that it isn't working isn't a big deal 12.18.36 # Skip Frames and Framerate limiting both have to be off for benchmarking, and they both have to be on for proper playback. 12.19.00 # Though it is odd that disabling Skip Frames breaks framerate limiting right now. 12.20.24 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@91.84.113.122) 12.20.29 # with skip frames on i get 24.9, which is ok. with skip off i get 25.6 12.21.05 # maybe your movie uses 25fps :) 12.21.12 # spiorf: You have to test from the beginning of the file for it to be valid 12.21.16 # FPS is the average over the whole file so far. 12.21.23 # dionoea: No, it's definitely a valid problem 12.21.39 # ok :) 12.21.56 # It's just that the "Skip Frames" option shouldn't really be there for users, kinda like the "Disk Power Down" option 12.22.17 # My guess is that it just accidentally got broken, and nobody's had it off, but limiting on, at the same time, to notice. 12.22.25 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 12.22.28 # Since there's no situation that you should really be doing that. :) 12.24.00 # Llorean, my mpg is 25fps, so 24.9 is good if intended as average 12.24.00 # I remember i took skip feame off because in the past it was actually skipping some frame 12.24.01 # even if it can play the video faster than 25fps 12.24.01 DBUG Enqueued KICK spiorf 12.24.01 # and i left it off until now 12.24.19 # spiorf: Frame skip has improved a lot. 12.24.52 Join webguest58 [0] (i=cbce35ba@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6d0e9aac5e183002) 12.25.00 # yeah, just noticed that 12.25.15 # It shouldn't skip unless it really does need to. 12.25.49 Quit webguest58 (Client Quit) 12.27.58 Quit Entasis (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.28.29 # 8~kw 12.28.34 # oops sorry 12.31.18 # i also noticed another bug: the scrollwheel seems a bit lagged in some menus, while in other is perfect. but in the first ~10 seconds after power on, it's fluid everywhere. 12.31.38 # for example the main menu is lagged, and so settings 12.31.48 # file browser and database are ok instead 12.31.52 Join tom56 [0] (n=tom@82-32-5-0.cable.ubr01.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) 12.32.25 # This is the standard iPod poor performance. 12.32.31 # I've created a tagnavi_custom.cfg but it doesn't seem to be doing anything 12.32.36 # i.e. the menu stays the same 12.32.40 # Any ideas? 12.32.51 # tom56: Use an official build, and verify it with that, first. 12.33.04 # What's an official build? 12.33.05 # maxwen0's build is Unsupported. 12.33.13 # OK 12.33.24 # Official builds are those provided by rockbox.org's "Current Build" page. 12.33.26 # Unpatched. 12.34.04 # Out of interest - what could cause this to break? It's no use finding out it works in the regular build if I can't get it to work in the build I use 12.34.22 # It could be any of a hundred things. 12.34.42 # OK - what should I do if I find it works in the regular build? 12.34.42 # Maxwen0's build contains a lot of unofficial code. 12.35.01 Quit iNSOMNiAX (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.35.03 # You should contact the provider of your custom build (maxwen0) and try to find out if he has any idea what change he's made to the official version that breaks it. 12.35.22 Quit Soap2 ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 12.35.45 # btw, was't it tagnavi_custom.config instead of .cfg? 12.36.01 # OK, thanks. Is it possible to boot the official build without removing maxwen0's so I don't have to install everything again 12.36.24 # sporf - yeah you're right, but I think it is named correctly - I'll check that though 12.37.03 # I've checked - the name is right 12.37.14 # tom56: You can just backup your .rockbox folder and then restore it afterwards. 12.37.38 # linuxstb: D'oh! Don't know why I didn't think of that - am a bit slow I guess :) 12.38.52 Join oKtosiTe [0] (n=oKtosiTe@unaffiliated/oKtosiTe) 12.41.47 # Well the official build seems to get as far as the rockbox splash screen then stops there 12.43.02 # Are you using the "dual boot bootloader" or the official one? 12.43.29 # The dual one 12.44.11 # petur: It's the M5L that beats alll records to be precise 12.44.46 # I don't want to use the official one because I don't want to lose the OF 12.44.50 # These only exist as 20GB models (but you can put larger single platter hdds in of course) 12.45.26 # tom56: Then go to maxwen0 and try to have him figure out why your tagnavi isn't working. We really can't be responsible for the possibility that other people's code is causing your problems. 12.45.28 # tom56: out of curiosity, what feature of the OF is it that you can 12.45.34 # 't live without? 12.45.36 # Without backlight, the M5L gives >50 hours of playtime (measured with 192kbps mp3) 12.45.55 Join himitsu [0] (n=himitsu@61.213.185.37) 12.46.10 # The FM radio is much easier to use. And I only bought my x5 yesterday so I want to be able to take it back to the shop if it goes wrong. 12.46.14 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 12.46.14 # * B4gder made some first little efforts into the area of "speculative parallell builds" for the build system 12.46.43 # just some extra logging/verbose info for now 12.46.53 # to research the possibilities on the upcoming commits 12.46.58 # tom56: could you explain how we could make the fm radio better in rockbox? 12.47.18 # we can see how some of the fastest servers get to wait quite a lot lately 12.48.10 # The scan didn't seem to pick up as many stations and using the Clix theme the text is in the top left corner which makes it unreadable (as the theme has some text on the backdrop at that point. 12.48.34 # in the most recent build storebror was done after 160 seconds, and the build took 333 ... 12.49.35 # tom56: ok, i see. the scan is being perfected, it's not yet included in SVN, and one of those days the fm screen will be themable as well 12.49.41 # I've posted about the tagnavi problem in the iaudiophile forums which I know maxwen0 uses so hopefully he'll be able to help me 12.50.21 # I expect the answer will probably be the same for my next problem but I'll ask anyway 12.50.40 Join webguest64 [0] (i=c023110b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-862739ef81a3ca5a) 12.51.03 # tom56: again something that works fine with the official build but not on his? 12.51.05 # Choosing Click to Insert and setting it to Queue seems to make no difference, i.e. the dynamic playlist is still erased rather than the track being queued 12.51.15 # markun: He hasn't tested with the official build. 12.51.18 # markun: I can't get the official build to work 12.51.28 # aha 12.51.31 # tom56: "Click to Insert" isn't a feature of the official build. 12.51.47 # markun: He's using the dual boot bootloader, and the official build is apparently freezing for him while booting. 12.51.51 # tom56: can't get it to work? 12.51.59 # oh 12.52.01 # I thought as much - I was just hoping you might have come across the problem before and know a solution 12.52.17 # It's fair enough if you can't help 12.54.51 Quit webguest64 (Client Quit) 12.57.25 # Ok - slightly closer with the tagnavi problem 12.57.59 # Back using maxwen0's build - if I forget to delete the include line then it gets stuck in a looop 12.58.07 # This at least proves that the file is being read 12.59.23 Join courtc [0] (n=court@c-71-199-169-45.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 13.01.34 # * B4gder has a please-confused-users commit coming right up 13.01.41 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 13.02.05 # LinusN: are you familiar with the playlist code? 13.02.27 # not really, what do you want to know? 13.03.12 # * B4gder was familiar with it... then came Hardeep and all that fancy dynamic stuff ;-) 13.03.19 # same here :-) 13.04.07 # * Llorean wants to know how B4gder is going to please confused users. 13.04.27 # well, just one particular kind 13.04.34 # the ones with spaces in their paths 13.04.55 # Ah 13.05.01 # That'll be nice though 13.05.24 # and the "fix" is just that configure refuses to run 13.05.34 # mv rockbox-devel "My rockbox development folder" 13.05.34 # with a note telling why 13.05.57 # mv "My rockbox development folder" rockbox-devel 13.07.32 # * B4gder hits forehead 13.07.41 # heh 13.07.51 # Fixed the tagnavi problem! Seems the config was just really shoddy - I downloaded a different one and it works, Now I need to change it to do what I want. Thanks for all the help! :) 13.08.03 # tom56: have fun! 13.08.09 Quit tom56 ("Leaving.") 13.08.23 # * B4gder committed that change in a somewhat funny way so it didn't trigger any build 13.09.53 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 13.10.08 Quit Seedy (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 13.13.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.13.56 Join Rincewind [0] (i=B4Bq6T8X@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 13.14.02 # does the sound detection for the simulator really make any sense with sdl? 13.14.13 # within configure I mean 13.14.43 # "We have a header file so we can build the sound code" 13.15.16 Quit spiorf (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 13.15.16 NSplit kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 13.15.16 Quit obo (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 13.15.16 Quit brun0_ (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 13.15.16 Quit pondlife (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 13.15.16 Quit GodEater (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 13.15.16 Quit jhulst (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 13.15.16 Quit pabs (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 13.15.16 Quit Guile (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 13.15.16 Quit miepchen^schlaf (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 13.15.16 Quit billytwowilly (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 13.15.16 Quit Nibbier (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 13.15.16 Quit dan_a (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 13.15.16 Quit GodEater__ (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 13.17.34 NHeal kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 13.17.34 NJoin spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host62-222-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 13.17.34 NJoin obo [0] (n=obo@host217-41-62-170.in-addr.btopenworld.com) 13.17.34 NJoin brun0_ [0] (n=brun0_@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 13.17.34 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 13.17.34 NJoin GodEater [0] (n=bryan@host-83-146-13-117.bulldogdsl.com) 13.17.34 NJoin jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@adsl-69-208-79-209.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) 13.17.34 NJoin pabs [0] (n=pabs@xor.pablotron.org) 13.17.34 NJoin Guile [0] (n=Guile@84.7.94.192) 13.17.34 NJoin miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF5A2A.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.17.34 NJoin billytwowilly [0] (n=chris@S01060016b649355d.ed.shawcable.net) 13.17.34 NJoin Nibbier [0] (n=sven@port-212-202-177-141.dynamic.qsc.de) 13.17.34 NJoin GodEater__ [0] (n=bryan@host-83-146-13-117.bulldogdsl.com) 13.17.34 NJoin dan_a [0] (n=dan_a@217.23.173.156) 13.17.36 *** Server message 505: 'logbot- :Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )' 13.17.47 # B4gder: No, it doesn't seem to make sense. Are you going to remove X11/win32 sim support? 13.18.10 # yes 13.23.22 Join obo_ [0] (n=obo@host217-41-62-170.in-addr.btopenworld.com) 13.29.48 # now, let's see how much this broke ;-) 13.33.25 Quit rift ("Lost terminal") 13.34.14 Quit Rincewind ("Cya") 13.35.03 # oops 13.35.10 Join rift [0] (n=opera@242.56.70-86.rev.gaoland.net) 13.35.10 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@avc146.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 13.35.40 # hahaha 13.35.46 # configure doesn't work in a dir that contains spaces? 13.35.49 # how 1980 is that 13.36.00 # hehe 13.38.25 Join voltagex [0] (n=voltagex@124-254-120-152-dsl.ispone.net.au) 13.38.44 # hi, anyone active? I killed my H340 and need some help. 13.39.04 # Help fixing your h340 or help choosing a new DAP? 13.39.22 # fixing if possible 13.39.28 # I don't have much money at the moment 13.39.36 # it's now stuck in USB mode 13.39.46 # even after several restarts/hard resets 13.39.51 # What did you do that makes you think you killed it? 13.40.02 Join courtc_ [0] (n=court@c-71-199-169-45.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 13.40.02 Quit courtc (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.40.14 # plugged it into the wrong charger 13.40.39 # sorry, should have said that first :P 13.40.46 # the congrats, there's a big chance it IS killed 13.40.46 Quit obo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.41.54 # preglow: I'm annoyed, the charger was lower voltage, lower amperage and the same polarity as the h300 charger 13.42.29 # preglow: drive still mounts fine, disk is fine 13.42.40 # usb works, you mean 13.43.07 # petur: yes, just can't get into the actual player! 13.43.14 # voltagex: So what happens when you turn it on? 13.43.33 # linuxstb: in rockbox Bootloader USB mode, in OF USB Connected 13.43.55 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 13.43.55 # That's without a USB cable attached? 13.44.01 # linuxstb: yes :S 13.45.08 # Does the rockbox bootloader display any other messages? 13.45.28 # linuxstb: like the checksum? 13.45.35 # Anything... 13.45.38 # linuxstb: nothing that I haven't seen before 13.45.58 # well, of the OF also thinks the USB is connected, it surely is electrical 13.46.02 # as in, everything that a normal H300 with Rockbox displays 13.46.10 # LinusN: worth repairing? 13.46.50 # not sure how though 13.46.59 # voltagex: if you search on MR there are many threads decribing the same problem. you could try if this helps: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=11314 13.47.07 # I'd love to know *what* I fried 13.47.18 # fuse, capacitor, resistor 13.48.19 # you might have fried the cpu itself 13.48.30 # preglow: but it still boots? 13.48.40 # then there's still hope, at least 13.48.48 # people have fixed irivers where the cpu survived 13.48.48 # PaulJam: thanks, in the picture they're shorting the outside pins? 13.51.55 # * linuxstb wonders if it's the same issue some ipod owners have reported - charging being reported in the Apple firmware even with no cable attached, and Rockbox incorrectly detecting a USB connection. 13.53.13 # voltagex: can't you comment out he usb detection code in rockbox ? (and then still use it) 13.53.19 # *the 13.53.38 # dionoea: maybe, I'll try tomorrow, I need sleep 13.57.19 # * petur wonders what http://www.misticriver.net/showpost.php?p=285982&postcount=27 could mean 13.57.48 # dionoea: but the bootloader would still detect an usb connection, unnless he changes the bootloader too, adn this requires to be able to boot the of 13.58.27 # it surely introduces a brick-risk 13.59.55 # oh well, it's pretty much dead now 14.00.05 # Oh, i though that he was able to boot the OF 14.00.10 # anyway, back tomorrow 14.00.16 # dionoea: nope, I killed it well 14.00.25 # g'night 14.00.26 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 14.00.27 # thanks all 14.00.28 # arf :) 14.00.28 Quit voltagex () 14.00.33 Quit obo_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.03.13 Quit midgey () 14.07.01 # Hmm, my database not building on the sim was due to dircache blocking. Anyone here fancy looking at firmware/common/dircache.c? I reckon that dircache_is_initializing() should be &&-ing, not ||-ing... 14.07.35 Quit inversions () 14.12.23 # ok, the buildmaster logs now contain a little list dump every now and then showing what pending builds there are... 14.12.46 # being potential ones to get built by one of the servers that are already done 14.15.45 Quit alberink_ ("Konversation terminated!") 14.16.44 Join smolyn [0] (n=smolyn@blk-138-57-29.eastlink.ca) 14.19.12 Join alberink [0] (n=alberink@cc516682-b.ensch1.ov.home.nl) 14.20.07 # the size differences with my two commits are weird 14.20.19 # since they were sim changes 14.24.27 # Different build servere producing different sized output? 14.24.31 # servers, even 14.24.39 # Could it be the 64-bit ones? 14.25.06 # The "-20" build was on amiconn's server, and the other two on builder.fnarfbargle.com So yes, maybe a 64-bit issue. 14.25.18 # fnarfbargle.com? 14.25.26 # Anyone got an idea about that dircache problem I mentioned? 14.25.31 # Llorean: That's what it says... 14.25.41 # pondlife: My idea would be to ask Slasheri... 14.25.56 # Ah, I thought he was Mr Tagcache. 14.25.59 # Not Mr Dircache 14.26.03 # He's kinda both. 14.26.05 # he's cacheri 14.26.10 # No, he's tagcache, dircache and flash... 14.26.10 # Slasheri: around? 14.26.24 # flashcache! 14.26.31 # * B4gder hides 14.26.32 # Sounds like a Marx Brothers law firm... 14.26.32 # Just what we need! 14.27.41 # Well, I'll leave my unpatched sim over lunch to see if it ever finishes blocking... but I doubt it. BBL 14.29.49 # Bagder: Could we (you?) calculate the real binary size? I was thinking of a file in the rockbox.zip (something like .rockbox/rockbox.info) which could contain things like target, version number, (maybe useful for rbutil), build server, binary size. build dates.... 14.30.11 # That would probably be useful for a variety of reasons. 14.31.17 # yes, I would love that 14.31.44 # * petur thinks of a cookie in the binary that can be patched after the build 14.32.21 # I'll see if I can put together a first attempt right now 14.32.26 # petur: For? 14.32.47 # to put that info in the binary and not in an extra file? 14.32.52 # Ah 14.33.00 # I like the idea as a file 14.33.11 # It's really useful for RBUtil 14.33.13 # I won't argue with you ;) 14.33.34 # RBUtil can look for a specific one file, rather than different binary names in different places. 14.33.47 # B4gder: gcc and binutils versions could also be useful... 14.33.48 # Then it knows what sort of player is attached, and whether it's an up to date version or not. 14.34.10 # linuxstb: yeps, I'll set up the infrastructure and basic things and then we can easily expand 14.34.14 # A cookie in the binary makes it one less file, but it also means rbutile has to look for rockbox.ipod, rockbox.gigabeat, etc. 14.34.28 # * petur hopes that doesn't screw things when users start updating bin files only 14.34.36 # A cookie in the binary would be nice as well.... 14.34.49 # petur: Users updating bin files only makes me cry. 14.34.58 # hahaha 14.36.13 # Anyone have a better idea for the filename than rockbox.info? buildinfo.txt ? 14.36.39 # linuxstb: I like rockbox.info, since it's not just build info (to me). 14.37.48 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57a9526a.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.38.08 # I was just thinking that a .txt extension may make it easier when it comes to asking users what's contained in that file. 14.39.03 # Ah 14.39.09 # This is very true. 14.39.14 # linuxstb: good thinking 14.39.16 # rbinfo.txt maybe? 14.40.46 # Or rockboxinfo.txt 14.45.16 # Target: e200 14.45.16 # Target id: 23 14.45.16 # Target define: -DSANSA_E200 14.45.16 DBUG Enqueued KICK B4gder 14.45.16 # Version: r13215M-070420 14.45.17 # gcc: arm-elf-gcc (GCC) 4.0.3 14.46.55 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54964924.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.47.54 # B4gder: are you "dast" ? 14.48.14 # rockbox-info.txt 14.48.24 # we have a winner... 14.48.29 # .info is definitely not good 14.48.37 # markun: hehe, yeah that was a little mistake of mine 14.48.53 Quit billytwowilly (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.49.04 # sorry for not finishing my question about the playlist code btw :) 14.49.21 # I was distracted by lunch 14.49.37 Join billytwowilly [0] (n=chris@S01060016b649355d.ed.shawcable.net) 14.51.24 # markun: Did anyone ever do power consumption measurements on the gigabeat when Rockbox was doing different things? 14.52.11 # appart from toffe's measurements which playing and while doing nothing: no 14.52.22 # s/which/while/ 14.55.46 # ok, I committed that first step 14.56.18 Part LinusN 14.56.45 # at least as a first step it should make the delta table better 14.57.04 # Nice. 27 minutes between feature request and commit... 14.57.32 # :-) 14.58.17 # Is the size of rockbox.bin the important one for the Archos targets? 14.58.22 # pondlife: i will check that soon. || is correct for that 14.58.29 # linuxstb: yes afair 14.58.46 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 14.58.46 # * B4gder checks... 14.59.14 # What about rombox? Should we look at rombox.map ? 15.00.31 Join cadu_ [0] (i=cadu___@ZS119119.ppp.dion.ne.jp) 15.00.46 # B4gder: time to look at add_track_to_playlist after this? 15.00.49 Quit brun0_ ("Au revoir!") 15.00.56 # A table with the various important sizes for the different targets, along with the current SVN size would be very nice... 15.00.58 # time for coffee I'd say ;-) 15.06.05 # * linuxstb calculates recorder v1 is 6072 bytes too big for rombox 15.07.54 # Or maybe more... 15.08.08 # I was thinking that seems pretty close. 15.08.25 # Wouldn't the bootbox revision make that fit? 15.08.26 # grr, since the archos builds fail they don't run mkinfo... :-/ 15.08.56 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@38.98.196.75) 15.09.41 # It could be another 4004 bytes - i.e. 10076 bytes away... 15.13.06 Join jhulst_ [0] (n=jhulst@adsl-69-209-112-15.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) 15.13.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.18.59 Quit cadu (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.27.13 Quit jhulst (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.35.06 Join Entasis [0] (n=Jarred@ppp48-102.lns11.adl2.internode.on.net) 15.36.17 Join ColdSphinX^ [0] (n=sphinx@p213.54.162.220.tisdip.tiscali.de) 15.42.53 Join Lynx_ [0] (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 15.45.22 # linuxstb: langv2 cleanup won't fix that, heh 15.45.37 # but seriously, i think we should have some kind of size freeze soon 15.45.52 # perhaps something for the devcon agenda? 15.46.00 # i want this rombox thing out of the world 15.51.37 Quit petur ("away for the weekend - BBQ and lots of beer :)") 15.56.20 # hm, make -j ruins the script 15.56.33 # it runs the info-gathering before the final binary is complete 15.58.40 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.58.53 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF4F42.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.07.51 Quit XavierGr () 16.08.15 # i need to fix that before I can rely on that file for the delta table 16.08.34 # I'll save that for later... 16.13.09 Part B4gder 16.19.29 Join Guest52768 [0] (i=pugsley@62.204.144.237) 16.19.55 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 16.20.43 # linuxstb: It's 6072+3284 16.20.50 Join Jon-Kha [0] (n=Jon-Kha@a91-152-87-243.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 16.21.13 # let's talk rockbox for a minute? 16.21.24 Join kkurbjun [0] (n=kkurbjun@c-71-56-227-141.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 16.21.40 # after watching that TV thing... I think it is about time we improve on the default theme/font/etc. for rockbox for each target. 16.21.41 Quit lini (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 16.21.52 # It 16.22.00 # elinenbe_: I think fixing bugs is more important, over all. 16.22.35 # Llorean, all we need to do is package a decent agreeable theme with each version, and set the cfg file to it... 16.22.51 # rockboxed :) 16.22.58 # yeah -- that would be fine. 16.22.59 # elinenbe_: It also needs to be compiled in. 16.23.14 # Or at least, Rockbox needs to work if it's not present. 16.23.37 # I also don't think Rockboxed is the best looking option, it's a little harsh and sparse. 16.23.37 # Llorean: leave the default compiled in, and in the downloadable packages, include the new theme... that's all I am saying 16.23.49 # elinenbe_: Put together a patch. 16.23.49 # Llorean: argree with that. 16.23.54 # I think I will. 16.25.10 # I don't think anyone disagrees with "Rockbox could look prettier", but it might be nice to wait until say... Album Art and a few other theme features are done (viewports) 16.27.15 Quit jhulst_ (Remote closed the connection) 16.28.54 # I disagree with the whole "a wps is only acceptable if it has a version for every target" rule. 16.29.21 # So you think Rockbox should look dramatically different on each target? 16.29.34 # Because of the differences in screen sizes (and orientation) it's difficult to get a wps to look good on each. 16.29.39 # There's nothing that prevents a WPS from being made for each target (barring Player) other than the designer not being willing to do it. 16.29.45 # elinenbe: what is "that TV thing"? 16.29.47 # You can aim for similarity though. 16.30.10 # Llorean: I suppose so. Perhaps my objection was not really well thought out ;P 16.30.25 # Zagor: dl.tv did a program featuring rockbox 16.30.44 # s/programme/program ;) 16.30.54 # much too used to typing the latter form 16.30.58 # aliask: I don't mind minor or even moderate differences (different fonts), but the information available on the WPS should at least be in a similar layout, with a similar background. 16.31.05 # Like iCatcher, they aren't all identical but they're very similar. 16.31.47 # But I'm _really_ not a fan of Rockboxed, personally. 16.31.59 # I like it's layout 16.32.02 Join datachild [0] (i=krebb@linux.aeger.wind0ws.info) 16.32.02 # but not it's colour scheme 16.32.05 # If we're going to pick a theme that "shows off" Rockbox, it's just not very suitable. 16.32.09 # * markun is a fan 16.32.23 # but he's also colour blind 16.32.24 # I like the rocker theme for sansa/5g, perhaps I should adapt it to a few more targets and see what happens. 16.32.25 # The color scheme hurts my eyes, and it shows very little information for the space. 16.32.27 # markun: even of the lurid yellow ? 16.32.37 # yes, looks find to me 16.32.40 # wow 16.32.55 # same colours as a wasp, no? 16.33.03 # Llorean: I don't think a default rockbox theme SHOULD overdo the info displayed 16.33.18 # especially if it's got to fit on the smaller screened targets and still look consistent 16.33.28 # I think Rockboxed is a good choice for the H140 anyway. that's the only place I've seen it :-) 16.33.33 # I use Rockboxed on my H140 16.33.34 # GodEater: Underdoing is just as bad though 16.33.38 # no nasty yellow though 16.33.56 # it's nice and clean and not too crowded 16.33.58 # Llorean: you have to admit it's an improvement on the default though 16.33.58 # I think Rockboxed could do with an alternating subline with 3 pages showing next track Artist/Album/Title 16.34.00 Join AceNik [0] (n=AceNik@203.145.159.44) 16.34.25 # Perhaps we should have a different standard theme according to the LCD. ie grayscale targets have one, colour have another 16.34.29 # As well as a numeric volume display, unless someone feels like implementing my volume feature request. 16.34.44 Quit lids (Remote closed the connection) 16.34.51 # numeric as in "in dB" ? 16.34.55 # GodEater: My main problem with Rockboxed though, is it is "Just text" still. 16.34.58 # guys i made changes to a wps originally built for gigabeat , now its for h10 so i contacted the author if i could upload the modified theme , but there hasn't bin a reply since 3weeks 16.34.59 # Llorean: actually I disagree. I think most people prefer the uncluttered display over the extra information 16.35.21 # GodEater: Numeric as in "Not a stupid picture that doesn't really work at lower volumes, nor show me when I'm at line level" 16.35.24 # "most people" is a terrible wording, but "many people" anyway 16.35.26 # Adapting a "nice looking" colour WPS to grayscale makes chances that are so sweeping you may as well have a different WPS altogether. 16.35.42 # Zagor: I prefer mine fairly minimal, but a lot of our users choose Rockbox because it can be themed. 16.35.55 # I think (apart from colour preference already stated) rockbox is an excellent cross target theme 16.35.59 # Zagor: And consistently the most popular WPSes are the ridiculous ones, that's why so many people use unsupported builds: Prettier WPSes 16.36.03 # *rockboxed 16.36.21 # Llorean: what are you basing that on? 16.36.26 # Llorean: yes, and those users will theme it. the default thus should be a nice wps for the part of the audience that might NOT theme it 16.36.30 # do you have figures for the number of downloads ? 16.36.42 # GodEater: Based on discussion rates primarily. 16.36.54 # Maybe people who like simple themes aren't as vocal about it 16.36.57 # I submit that those discussion rates are BECAUSE those themes require patched builds 16.37.06 # and therefore aren't as easy to get working for joe public 16.37.10 # GodEater: You can also look at the ratio of simply designed ones to complex ones. 16.37.18 # AceNik: Sounds reasonable, if I were you I'd upload it anyway. 16.37.23 # At least the creators seem more inspired to make complicated ones. 16.37.31 # Llorean: that only tells me about the designers preference, not the end users 16.37.35 # in my opinion the default wps should be a good compromise, that makes the player very friendly and usable but not overcrowd newbies with info and/or graphics 16.37.42 # Zagor: I agree. 16.37.46 Join leftright [0] (i=54994725@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e677aad0b7d558a7) 16.37.51 # I'm not arguing for something that's cluttered. 16.37.52 # * preglow doesn't really like rockboxed 16.37.59 # i would like something a bit more stylish 16.38.00 # I think one more line in Rockboxed won't overfill it, for most targets. 16.38.09 # But I don't think Rockboxed "shows off" Rockbox. 16.38.13 # me neither 16.38.15 # not by far 16.38.19 # GodEater: Rockboxed isn't nice on Archos either - iCatcher looks better on those. Also AFAIK Rockboxed doesn't provide any rwps's yet 16.38.32 # We have some amazing WPSes out there, and people boot Rockbox and say "it's too plain" 16.38.33 # aliask: k then i need to have all the folders n files of the theme in the .rockbox folder right ? like .rockbox/icons/.bmp & same way all these files in a zip? 16.38.34 # I've never seen an archose 16.38.35 # icatcher is nicer by far, but could be cleaned up a bit 16.38.39 # so I'll take your word for it 16.38.41 # it most certainly doesn't. but perhaps blinking/alternating lines is not the #1 reason people would want rockbox? 16.38.42 # If they boot Rockboxed they'll say "It's too plain. And it's an ugly orange." 16.38.47 # I prefer simple themes. my.0002c worth 16.38.56 # AceNik: Yes, generally people like to release WPS' in that form. 16.39.00 # as opposed to, "it's tiny, and I can't read it" 16.39.03 # wpses should stay the hell away from the "rockbox colur scheme" 16.39.13 # preglow: Light blue and black isn't bad. 16.39.22 # I have no opinion about the colour of Rockboxed. I've only seen it in b/W 16.39.27 # preglow: And look at Cabbie in the Gigabeat gallery for a great use of the Rockbox Colour Scheme 16.39.27 # i'm talking orange and blue, has it changed lately? 16.39.32 # would anyone be helpful to help me completing my wps based on vista , it requires tweaks on photoshop with buttons 16.39.44 # preglow: I consider Rockbox colors Black, Light Blue, and Orange. 16.39.46 # What are people's thoughts on "Rocker" (not in SVN, but imo a really nice, clean wps) 16.39.57 # aliask:can i release it in some other form or this ones fine 16.39.57 # Llorean: yeah, that's better 16.40.26 # Llorean: you can thank the colour "black" for that ;) 16.40.27 # Zagor: I don't think a single alternating line for next track info is much, and it's something you don't see on a lot of players, which to me is good for showing off the features. 16.40.35 # preglow: Black with high contrast text, works for me. 16.40.39 # me too 16.40.56 # Llorean: shame about the new icons though ;) 16.40.57 # preglow: It's the theme I used, with a few modifications to my personal tastes (and a fix to the menu backdrop since the text gets in the way of long lists) 16.41.04 # GodEater: New icons? 16.41.07 # Oh, right 16.41.10 # oh my god! I just looked at Rockboxed for ipod, and I surely see why you don't like it! 16.41.12 # I have my own icon set. 16.41.17 # Zagor: It makes my eyes water 16.41.30 # indeed 16.41.31 # Zagor: I'm quite happy with it on H100, but colour versions... no. 16.41.37 # i think icatcher is a long way closer to being usable than rockboxed, thoigh 16.41.40 # but icatcher is a bit too busy 16.41.41 # has anyone asked him to make a negative version of it ? 16.41.52 # preglow: Agreed, iCatcher is a bit too much, and a bit too inspired by other firmwares. 16.42.08 # Llorean: it also tries to cram too much in the wps 16.42.13 # Yeah 16.42.16 # * linuxstb likes iCatcher 16.42.17 # And the volume circle hates me. 16.42.29 # linuxstb: I like it, I just don't think it's suited for a good compromise default. 16.42.31 # But then again I like information, and I haven't seen other firmwares.... 16.42.37 # volume circle has to little resolution 16.42.44 # i want more versions of nudel green :// 16.42.46 # leftright: And it shows empty at about half volume 16.42.57 # leftright: Meaning you can decrease for a very long time before you reach mute, without the circle changing 16.42.58 # We're never going to agree on a default theme... 16.43.07 # I also don't like that Rockboxed doesn't give info about playlist position/total entries, and (but that's quite personal preference) for me the genre info line ois almost always empty... 16.43.13 # linuxstb: I don't think it matters if we do 16.43.26 # linuxstb: I think the default theme should have optional album art (via a conditional, if it's present). 16.43.28 # would anyone be interested in helping me make a theme based on vista , i have done some work need help with photoshop buttons 16.43.33 # Llorean, yep 16.43.49 # pixelma: That's what's missing! I knew there was something fundamental I felt was missing, but couldn't put my finger on it. 16.43.59 # preglow: nudel green looks quite nice to me 16.44.16 # We also need proper color icons. 16.44.36 # personally I _like_ that playlist info is not shown. I don't think I have ever cared if I'm on 54 or 72 in my 5400-song playlist... 16.44.57 # but then perhaps my "big playlist behaviour" is unusual 16.45.22 # Zagor: I use it for finding my place in an audiobook. 16.45.51 # It's a convenient feature if a WPS is to be multi-purpose 16.46.01 # playlist info in wps is redundant, if you ask me 16.46.04 # at most, i care what's playing now 16.46.06 # that's that 16.46.38 # Llorean: yes, it's a good feature for some. the problem is we have so many features we simply can't showcase them all and not get cluttred beyond usefulness 16.46.47 # I like the playlist info too as it gives me a feel of how long I can listen 16.46.53 # I have the following below the progress bar, %al%pc %ac%pp~%pe %ar%pr I really think that playlist count is important 16.47.01 Quit AceNik ("bye guys have fun , enjoy !!!!!") 16.47.02 # I don't think the default wps should be a feature showcase 16.47.22 # I'd much rather have it be friendly than impressive 16.47.31 # Zagor: I completely agree. 16.47.37 # Zagor: It needs to be "pretty" 16.47.46 # yes, that I agree with 16.47.49 Join lids [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-796320a474e36386) 16.47.52 # on a B&W screen ? 16.48.11 # On a B&W screen I think a WPS should be "clean" and easy to read. 16.48.11 # leftright: sure, I think rockboxed is pretty on my b/w iriver 16.48.14 # I think it should have some "unnecessary" features, but not too many 16.48.22 # heh 16.48.25 # leftright: Only the Archoses are actually black and white 16.48.34 # leftright: The others are 2bpp, allowing for some not-bad looking grayscale. 16.49.07 # hmmm, to me its different shades of black 16.49.27 # How can you have different shades of black? 16.49.32 # But you should check your contrast then 16.49.38 # There's white, light gray, dark gray, and black. 16.49.42 # "it's not gray, it's a lighter shade of black" ;-) 16.50.06 # heh, just being facetious Llorean :> 16.50.55 # bluebrother had begun to made a greyscale version of Rockboxed - I liked the screenshots he showed here better than the big back block at the bottom that's there now 16.51.07 # *black 16.51.17 # Anyone interested in looking at my little playlist patch? http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/playlist.patch 16.51.18 # Considering there are only 3 universal WPSs in SVN - Rockboxed, iCatcher and UniCatcher - is the concensus that we make one of those three the default, or choose a new one? 16.51.21 # amiconn: you maybe? 16.51.23 Join Topy44 [0] (n=Topy44@xdsl-87-78-80-60.netcologne.de) 16.52.02 # linuxstb: UniCatcher isn't universal - but you forgot "boxes" in your list ;) 16.52.08 # In fact UniCatcher doesn't appear to be available for the Archoses or remotes... 16.52.11 # Oops.. 16.52.20 # boxes is to me awfull 16.52.25 # linuxstb: I'm of the opinion we choose a new one, simply because I don't think that any of those are nice enough to have as the default (but that's purely opinion) 16.52.26 # I vote "new one" 16.52.33 # just saying it's there 16.52.40 # boxes isn't available for at least 240x320 and 176x220 16.52.46 # as for that puff thing 16.52.47 # I still rather firmly feel that at least Album Art should be an optional function of the default, since it's one of the more requested features. 16.53.01 # ... and the colour/greyscale 160x128 16.53.09 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.53.36 # Llorean: Why should we care about album art until it's implemented? 16.53.48 # A default can always be changed/improved... 16.54.05 # All I'm saying is iCatcher is there now, and a patch is on flyspray to make is the default... 16.54.28 # saying "new one" is all very well - but who's actually going to implement it? Do we have a willing volunteer ? 16.54.44 Quit midgey () 16.54.45 # Can't we just say "none are suitable right now"? 16.54.48 # Exactly... If a new one appears which is better than icatcher, then just change the default. 16.54.51 # Do we have to pick one, or agree to make one? 16.54.59 # Why is icatcher "not suitable" ? 16.55.16 # how many other options are there which include a WPS for all our targets ? 16.55.25 # IMO, it's better than the current default, and therefore is suitable. 16.55.26 # is there an icatcher image without album art anywhere? 16.55.38 # ok... drew a wrong conclusion wrt "boxes" 16.55.59 Part leftright 16.56.02 # Zagor: ? - the svn version doesn't have album art... 16.56.14 # I mean screenshot 16.56.19 # ah 16.56.35 # I guess I'm just not a fan of iCatcher. 16.56.55 # But that's personal opinion, so it's not really a reason not to use it. 16.57.13 # me neither. it requires a manual, which in my opinion completely eliminates it 16.57.41 # Zagor: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?getfile=11577 16.58.09 # it's only missing a gigabeat picture 16.58.18 # not the latest I guess but I don't think there were many changes since then 16.58.30 # nope 16.58.33 # much too cluttered. this is not what a first-time user wants to see, imho. 16.58.34 # it's pretty accurate 16.58.46 # Zagor: ? I don't think it's cluttered at all... 16.58.46 # the Archos version changed a bit 16.59.04 # Zagor: But you think the current default is better? 16.59.23 # no, that's now what I'm saying 16.59.25 # not 16.59.34 # Zagor: Unfortunately, I think what most new users want to see is something like this: http://solutions-i.org/julius/images/jbg5a.bmp 16.59.36 # Looks good. (Just missing some color for color targets) 16.59.45 # iCatcher 17.00.17 Join iNSOMNiAX [0] (n=iNSOMNiA@216-165-236-53.championbroadband.com) 17.00.22 # that's not nice 17.00.25 # Zagor: But that's my point - icatcher may not be perfect for everyone, but it's better than the current default, and no-one is suggesting any other options which actually exist. 17.00.48 # other than rockboxed, which sadly is hideous on colour targets 17.01.28 # what about rockboxed with different colours? 17.01.32 # + iCatcher has the advantage of being pretty neutral (which is what you'd want for a default) 17.01.44 # Llorean: that one is pretty, but I think a lot of people would say that too is too cluttered. 17.01.47 # what does rockboxed look like? 17.02.07 # markun: that's what I asked earlier 17.02.19 # I think it might be acceptable if you reversed the scheme 17.02.21 # ah 17.02.26 # it would be closer to cabbie then 17.02.33 # Zagor: That one is probably the single most common reason people use unsupported builds. The third most popular thread on our forum is the one for the build that theme is designed around. 17.02.34 # but no-one answered me 17.02.55 # http://www.horning.us/Members/Roan/docs/rockbock/wps/ROCKboxed_screenshots/ 17.03.08 # Llorean: I have no doubt that this theme is very popular. 17.03.21 # but I don't think selecting the most popular theme is a good idea 17.03.25 # Zagor: I actually prefer Rockbox default without peakmeters as my personal theme, but we seem to have attracted a crowd whose primary interest in Rockbox is the option to theme their device, rather than the functional aspects. 17.03.31 # I don't suggest we choose that one. 17.03.32 # we need a beginners wps as default 17.03.42 # What would be a "beginners" WPS? 17.03.58 # I also think the default theme should also be used to demonstrate Rockbox's features - which makes icatcher more appropriate than a minimal theme with very little info. 17.04.13 # linuxstb: iCatcher is more appropriate on that scale, yes. 17.04.38 # I think my distaste for iCatcher just revolves around the volume display, and the fact that it feels a lot like the iPod playing screen. 17.04.39 # To me. 17.04.41 # in my mind, the purpose of the default wps is not to stop people theming 17.04.54 # the purpose is to give a good first impression 17.05.03 # Zagor: And too much simplicity doesn't do that. 17.05.05 # a "this is not a geeks-only" impression 17.05.12 # The current default gives a horrible first impression :) 17.05.18 # dionoea: definitely 17.05.20 # It needs to be clear, and intuitive. 17.05.29 # But it also needs to show things that your device couldn't do before. 17.05.49 # I don't think any of the all-target themes currently succeed at both of those well. 17.06.12 # Llorean: it's quite clear that rockbox can do things their old firmware couldn't. I don't think it's necessary to cram things into the wps just to make that point. 17.06.35 # Zagor: If you cram too many things it loses "clear and intuitive" anyway 17.06.49 # Zagor: I don't think it should be sparse, just because you think "beginners" can't grasp next track info. 17.07.08 # On most of our screens, we have a lot of real estate. 17.07.26 # 176x132 is still a good deal of space, and it just goes up from there. 17.07.26 # Slasheri: For your info, my sim never builds the database because it's waiting forever for dircache to initialise. Well, I left it for 2 hours or so. 17.07.33 # yeah, that's probably a source of our disagreement. on the little h140 display there's not really much room for next track. 17.07.43 # Zagor: Not every theme needs to have everything, though. 17.07.57 # The overall appearance needs to be consistent, but it doesn't have to have an identical featurset for each player. 17.08.04 # exactly 17.08.06 Join leftright [0] (i=54994725@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4826658022a93cf7) 17.08.40 Join webguest64 [0] (i=d8a3f701@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8d644e940107bfdf) 17.08.54 # what I don't like about iCatcher is that it sprinkles numbers across the screen without explanations 17.09.16 # what I dislike about most wps is that I dont want to remember that the first line is the artist, second track, third album, I like the idea of having icons depicting what each line means 17.09.16 Quit Topy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.09.18 # and I still don't understand what the broken digits in the top row means 17.09.24 # iCatcher doesn't really hit the 'intuitive' mark for me, in a lot of ways. 17.09.35 # Zagor: The 1 2 3, or 3 1 2, represents Shuffle 17.09.41 # Zagor: Those screenshots are slightly out of date. For example, the "genre" is replaced by current track, and the battery % (top-left, under the dB) has a power symbol next to it. 17.09.44 # aha 17.09.52 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 17.10.04 # leftright: Boxes did that, if I recall. 17.10.26 # or at least seperate, artist, track, album lines with titles or suchlikes, thats what I have done with mine 17.10.40 # * Llorean hates to go back to the volume circle, but feels strongly that if the volume circle is empty, that should mean the player is muted, not 'still too loud for me to go to sleep' 17.11.26 # Llorean: Ah, I never noticed the volume circle before... I just looked at the dB display. 17.11.55 # linuxstb: Personally I'd be happy if it just weren't there. :) 17.12.05 # A circle of dots isn't exactly clear in purpose anyway 17.12.10 # I agree about that circle volume display, not informative at all 17.12.22 # Llorean: when did you last try iCatcher? I must admit that I haven't tried in a long time too- but I thought it would be better since the change that you can use as many enums as you like... 17.12.43 # But it seems we have two options - 1) Make iCatcher the default; 2) Forget about it and hope someone comes up with a better universal WPS in the future... 17.12.47 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 17.13.01 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-075-177-158-190.nc.res.rr.com) 17.13.02 # pixelma: It's better now, I've just tried it. 17.13.15 # pixelma: It's still not ideal. You're 8 dB above "Mute" when it shows nothing on the circle 17.13.30 # the "Theme X" themes (for Video iPod) look really good 17.13.35 # (and they're intuitive) 17.13.38 # i suppose the idea of a default wps it that it should be neutral, not scare a non geek noob away 17.13.40 # ok... thanks for trying :) 17.13.47 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.13.55 # pixelma: I'm just grumpy and not a fan, I guess. :) 17.14.25 # * linuxstb suspects that the current default will scare more users than icatcher... 17.14.30 # We *could* just have a "Default WPS contest" and see if anyone submits anything interesting. 17.14.34 # well I don't use it myself... still preferring it a lot over Rockboxed 17.14.41 # OK, who's going to update all the manual screenshots once we have a new default theme? ;p 17.14.45 # linuxstb: I agree on that at least. 17.14.50 # my default is way to simple for the contest 17.15.02 # pondlife: the manual doesn't show the wps IIRC 17.15.04 # Llorean: That's all I'm saying. But it also happens that I personally like icatcher.... 17.15.05 # Llorean: that would be a good idea i think 17.15.41 # linuxstb: I just don't like the idea of changing, and then changing again, for the default. 17.15.42 # the simpler it is the less chance it has of breaking due to a svn mod 17.15.50 # I'd rather stick with the current one until there's a very solid candidate. 17.15.53 # (make sure that you ask people designing themes not to copy a media player's theme ... it has to be original) 17.15.55 # I can't justify that at all though 17.16.03 # http://godeater.cream.org/reversed_rockboxed.jpg 17.16.10 # * linuxstb remembers suggesting a theme competition a year ago but the consensus was to wait for viewports.... 17.16.14 # http://godeater.cream.org/reversed_rockboxed.jpg (Connection just went flakey, not sure if it made it to the channel) 17.16.20 # dionoea: Yeah, it would have to be 100% original, containing no art not created by them or GPL distributable. 17.16.23 # clearly that's a REALLY rough attempt 17.16.30 # but it looks a lot better IMHO 17.16.46 # GodEater: to me it looks worse 17.17.04 # Llorean: I just don't see a new candidate appearing in the near future... 17.17.41 # to me this looks good: http://rockbox-themes.org/data/320x240x16/Theme_X_Glow.png 17.17.42 # markun: even taking in to account I didn't bother doing the status bar bit properly ? 17.17.46 # perhaps we need a dictator to excercise his democracy and make a decision 17.18.07 # dionoea: the problem with that is that it doesn't exist for all our targets ? 17.18.15 # linuxstb: You're probably right. I think I'm just being stubborn and should probably be ignored in this case. 17.18.20 # well it obviously wouldn't fit on small screen 17.18.22 # +s 17.18.23 # GodEater: I don't like the screen to be black 17.18.23 # I just really dislike all the current candidates, personally 17.18.30 Quit lids (Remote closed the connection) 17.18.43 # leftright: I'd try but they won't give me the job. :-P 17.18.49 # markun: fair enough - I guess you're not a fan of cabbie then 17.18.55 # not really 17.19.00 Quit Siltaar ("Aurevoir - www.fdn.fr/~sdescarp") 17.19.08 # heh, I think that every user has his/her opinion on what constitutes a nice wps, ergo no concensus 17.19.12 # I'm in favour of Llorean being ignored in this case. It doesn't happen often enough ;) 17.19.35 # GodEater: what do you think of nudel green? 17.19.38 # You'll need to do a theme vote "a la debian". (using the condorcet voting method) 17.19.56 # chooses the choice which is less disliked 17.20.03 # markun: think I missed the link 17.20.35 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g#Nudel_Green_5G 17.20.40 # * leftright googles nudel 17.21.07 # markun: that's nice - is it complete across all DAPS ? 17.21.47 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@unaffiliated/funky) 17.22.00 # Llorean: btw, did you look at that manual patch I submitted this morning ? 17.22.12 # GodEater: No, I haven't yet. I'll go do that right now 17.22.22 # thanks 17.22.29 # 7057 I think 17.22.38 Quit Guest52768 (Connection timed out) 17.22.41 # Why don't we have a WPS contest anyway. We can have one again after viewports. 17.22.51 # good idea 17.22.54 Quit Entasis (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.23.03 # Anyone object if I put out the call for default WPS submissions? 17.23.11 # not me 17.23.13 # Llorean: Please do. 17.23.16 # I shall 17.23.22 # this ought to be fun 17.23.31 # * Llorean makes use of gratuitous exclamation marks AND caps. 17.23.37 # oh lord 17.23.44 # dont forget the smileys 17.23.46 # * amiconn doesn't like any of the shipped themes (except builtin) due to their load times 17.24.00 # that was predictable 17.24.50 Join AceNik [0] (n=AceNik@203.145.159.44) 17.25.48 Join lowlight [0] (i=c730190a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-daa8d28a3078f8d8) 17.25.49 # guys i have a account on flyspray , & rockbox forums , to upload a wps it says i need a wiki account , when i click cancel in the attach link it shows this "{ScriptUrlPath}/view/TWiki/TWikiRegistration" 17.25.59 # I think a competition should make it to the www.rockbox.org front page - not just to the forums. 17.26.05 # * amiconn also disagrees with Zagor that the H1x0 display hasn't enough room for next track 17.26.33 # Not that I need next track info, in fact none of my wps'es has it... 17.26.41 # no need for next track info, just wait for it to play, it'll happen for sure 17.26.53 # indeed, I never use it either 17.27.07 # no need for wps either in fact :) since you listen to the music, you don't look at the screen 17.27.17 # and if you dont like it right joystick, and all is well 17.27.51 # the default wps screen should be the plasma plugin and have done with it 17.28.00 # no info at all but plenty of eye candy 17.28.16 # guys can you help me make a wiki account i need to upload a wps 17.28.19 # VU meters only 17.28.46 # nah 17.29.06 # they're so cool, mesmirising, 17.29.23 # GodEater: on some of the "pretty" WPSs floating around in the forums - I cannot actually find the info too... 17.29.39 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10030.0 <-- Comments/corrections/"you're an idiot"s welcome 17.30.06 # * pixelma checks for occurance of "CVS" :P 17.30.06 # Llorean: Shouldn't that be "theme", rather than wps? 17.30.37 # linuxstb: Should it be? 17.30.45 # Do we want to include iconsets and a menu backdrop in this? 17.30.59 # AceNik: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/TWiki/TWikiRegistration 17.31.13 # Llorean: I think we should 17.31.34 # Llorean: only one creative commons license is GPL compatible (sa-25 scottland) 17.31.40 # +spellfix 17.31.42 # GodEater: ya im on that page , do i have write permissions from you guys to make changes to any page 17.31.47 # The "Dockpod Remix" wps looks nice. I like the font it uses too. 17.31.52 # Llorean: At the very least the colour -scheme for the rest of Rockbox should match the wps... 17.31.58 # GodEater: I don't understand this line: + \playerman{} firmware on the \daps{} disk. (there's also unnecessary stuff at the beginning, that I'll have to remove) 17.32.13 # linuxstb: That's just a background color, or backdrop for the menu, right now. 17.32.14 # AceNik - tell us what your Wikiname is, and we'll give you those permissions 17.32.17 # Llorean: And (/me shudders) customisable icons... 17.32.30 # linuxstb: Should we ask for iconsets for each? 17.32.34 Quit gtkspert (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17.32.36 # dionoea: Share-alike? 17.32.40 # Llorean: no idea where that came from - it was what svn diff generated. 17.32.47 # Llorean: I think just ask for themes, and see what people provide. 17.32.53 # linuxstb: Okay 17.32.59 # GodEater: so i should make an accout now that means & then tell you , will the rockbox forums account do 17.33.15 # AceNik - your wiki account has to be your real name 17.33.21 # Llorean: you should maybe put a link to the prebuilt simulators in the text. 17.33.38 # that's a good idea PaulJam 17.33.58 # PaulJam: Done 17.34.08 # Llorean: Attribution Share-Alike (forgot the first A it seems) 2.5 UK: Scotland 17.34.39 # dionoea: Scotland? 17.34.57 # attribution is "BY" 17.35.04 # yeah, the UK version is compatible 17.35.08 # idnar: right. thanks :) 17.35.22 # I thought Share-Alike was GPL *in*compatible 17.35.27 # * idnar scratches his head 17.35.35 # no the Scotland version 17.35.37 # I thought there was on CC license that was compatible. 17.35.40 # One 17.35.40 # some wods are different 17.35.43 # Of the "general" ones. 17.35.47 # *words 17.35.47 # But I could be wrong. 17.36.10 # Llorean: What do people actually do to submit a theme for the competition? :) 17.36.10 # I'm not sure how licensing has to work on this, honestly 17.36.12 # You can google it (at least that's the consensus among Debian folks and such) 17.36.17 # is there a prize for the contest above the kudos of it being selected as the default ? 17.36.36 # linuxstb: I propose a wiki page for submissions 17.36.42 # you get a free rockbox build! 17.36.50 # DefaultWPSCompetition for example 17.36.55 # linuxstb: Patch tracker? 17.37.15 Join lini [0] (i=pugsley@62.204.144.237) 17.37.28 # Yes, maybe patch tracker is best - isn't there a wiki page that describes the rules for submitting a wps for inclusion? 17.37.58 # Yeah, but I can never remember the name of it 17.38.00 # i.e. things like falling back to filenames if there are no tags 17.38.14 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SubmitWPS 17.39.07 # dionoea: I must have won - I just got a free rockbox build! 17.39.42 # GodEater: i did register for a wiki account it said it sending me a code in my mail , but i dont have any yet 17.39.54 # GodEater: got it 17.40.12 # what's your wiki name? 17.40.23 # Updated the post 17.40.45 Quit barrywardell (Remote closed the connection) 17.40.46 # GodEater:NikkhilNarang 17.41.50 # GodEater:so what are the things i can do with thi account 17.42.22 Join gtkspert [0] (n=gtkspert@gateless.info) 17.42.30 # AceNik: edit pretty much all pages 17.42.52 # GodEater:can i upload a wps for now please 17.43.03 # GodEater: do i have permission for that 17.43.11 # AceNik: scorche just added you to the right groups - so yes 17.43.20 # i did? 17.43.56 # oh 17.43.57 # sorry 17.44.00 # GodEater:thanks scorche, will jst give the link to the wps in 2 mins 17.44.03 # thought that's what your comment meant 17.44.18 # * GodEater batters at firefox's password box to try and let him login to the site 17.44.24 # no, but now i did 17.44.42 Join Feral_Kid [0] (n=FeralKid@red-corp-201.143.150.57.telnor.net) 17.45.11 # sorry scorche I misunderstood =/ 17.45.46 # no problem....i am just in a rush to pack everything up for a 10 hour drive...no worry at all ;) 17.45.59 # So, does the post look okay now? 17.46.39 # GodEater:if im attaching screenshots , there is no need to hide file , n make a link is thr? 17.47.18 # AceNik: instructions and guidelines are here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery 17.47.37 # Llorean: Maybe also say that any theme (not just the winner) entered in the competition may be committed to SVN and included in official builds (assuming that's the case - I think it should be). 17.49.22 # linuxstb: Agreed 17.50.41 # and emphasise *any* instead of *all* :) 17.50.41 # Llorean: could you also mention rwps (would be nice if the default theme would be this complete) ? 17.50.47 # linuxstb: I mentioned that there's no "prize" outside possibly being chosen as default. As well any themes submitted may be chosen to be included either with the build, or as part of an "Extras" like the fonts containing "official" themes. 17.50.57 # pixelma: I don't consider it complete without RWPS. 17.51.07 # I'll include a reminder 17.51.34 # so Rockboxed would have been out of the race anyways... yet of course ;) 17.51.55 # Llorean: Is it worth also saying it must work with standard SVN, or is that obvious? I don't like to assume things.... 17.52.04 # linuxstb: The SubmitWPS page says that 17.52.06 # What are the rules on redoing other's work? 17.52.12 # linuxstb: And I said it has to comply with the SubmitWPS page 17.52.22 # I did an installed to a 4G Ipod... I did this with a simple unzipping to the root directory, and everything looks good to go... But when I do a reboot, it still comes back as the standard Ipod firmware... And yes there is a .rockbox directory and a rockbox.ipod in place on the root... 17.52.25 # aliask: "It must be original work, or composed entirely of things you have permission to redistribute" 17.52.36 # Feral_Kid: Please read the manual 17.52.40 # Feral_Kid: You did not install the bootloader 17.52.43 # aliask: That depends on the license the original work has been released under. Problem is that no WPS authors seem to state a license... 17.53.09 # pixelma: RWPS note added 17.53.13 # Well, I guess it rules out redoing one of the wps' and adapting to all resolutions/colours 17.53.27 # aliask, linuxstb: which means you can't rework and release 17.53.29 # aliask: They could always contact the author and ask first. 17.53.32 # aliask: well, you could always ask the author 17.53.38 # preglow: Exactly... 17.53.45 # GodEater: Manual *should* be fixed. 17.53.56 # if there is no copyright notice, the original author has full copyright and rights 17.54.08 # It's an annoying situation - we should try and give guidance to WPS authors and suggest a license. 17.54.18 # Now that I undid my own typo (I was just copying and pasting instead of moving the .diff over to the VMWare image and then patching, so I missed a line) 17.54.24 # creative commons or some such seems to do well in that segment 17.54.37 # but there's not much of a reason not to use gpl, i guess 17.55.00 # the only issue with GPL is how do you define the sources of the image ? 17.55.10 # dionoea: What do you mean? 17.55.18 # Isn't there a Gnu document license of some sort? Is it any good? 17.55.21 # Llorean: why only "an rwps" - maybe this is because I'm not a native speaker but I'd understand this to be "there needs to be _one_" 17.55.38 # Llorean: tis what the manual is under 17.55.43 Part AceNik 17.56.21 # pixelma: I'm not sure what question you're asking, but I wouldn't be surprised if I screwed up the grammar. 17.56.23 # Llorean: well you must distribute the sources with a GPL licensed program (GPL is for programs btw) ... which means pretty much every thing which can be used to recreate the images. (Like the photoshop files or something) 17.57.28 # dionoea: I know GPL is for programs. I suppose that's true for the photoshop files. 17.57.51 # You could argue that you made the images with paint ... but no one would beleive you :D 17.57.56 # But the GPL just states that it requires you to distribute the sources necessary to recreate it, not all sources. 17.58.49 *** Server message 505: 'logbot- :Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )' 17.59.08 # Llorean: and I'm not sure if I understand correctly, but so far two different rwps's are needed - I would somehow read it as "one rwps is enough" and I doubt anyone knows that there are two different remote "resolutions" out there to be considered 17.59.14 # Llorean> Sorry, I meant to add that earlier... What I meant was when I boot, I keep getting a flashing folder (with a exclamation), so thing about apple.com and then it reboots... But if I plug it into the USB port, it still mounts... 17.59.17 # Does the logbot have a seen function? 17.59.25 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@148.61.92.159) 17.59.33 # dionoea: In fact it clearly means "the preferred form for making modifications", I think for an image, just the image file is enough to satisfy that, but I'm not a lawyer. 17.59.34 # aliask: yes 17.59.40 # Er, clearly "says" not "means" 17.59.42 # aliask: or so it is rumored 17.59.54 # scorche: /msg logbot- !seen ? 17.59.58 # pixelma: The H300 and H100 only have one resolution. The X5 has another. Right? 18.00.07 # Llorean: perhaps ask for a new rockbox logo at the same time 18.00.08 # Llorean: that's debatable ... but it's a possible interpretation : 18.00.08 # So there's only one per target. 18.00.14 # :) 18.00.25 # dionoea: Yeah, as I said, licensing is to be determined, more or less 18.00.42 Quit ceaser (Remote closed the connection) 18.00.53 # Feral_Kid: You said it still comes back as the standard iPod firmware. 18.01.03 # Feral_Kid: Which is contradictory to what you say now. What *exact* steps did you take? 18.01.12 # toffe82: No, not at the same time. 18.01.31 # toffe82: I've only liked one submitted idea for a new logo, and I'm not stepping forward and saying "It's time to change." I like the current one. 18.01.37 # aliask: well, you have to be identified and edit your options so that you can be PMed by non-identified "people" 18.01.50 # If there's to be a logo change, it's a different contest, and not one I'm having to start. :-P 18.02.10 # Llorean: ah now I see, didn't see the connection to "targets"... though maybe reference to screen resolutions would be better anyways? 18.02.45 # An explicit list of LCD resolutions/depths may be helpful (or may just scare people away...) 18.03.03 # pixelma: What's the RWPS on the X5? 18.03.08 # linuxstb: I was just typing that up 18.03.15 Quit funky (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18.03.18 # 128x96x2 18.03.39 # * linuxstb counts 13 .wps files for icatcher... 18.04.00 # a list of targets would be longer 18.04.27 # there's a table of screen resolution on the CustomWPS page or so I believe 18.05.54 # The mini is 2bpp, right? 18.06.12 # im out....see you in 11 or so hours...whenever i hook my computer back up 18.06.39 Part rift 18.06.41 # scorche: Enjoy the drive 18.06.43 Join rift [0] (n=opera@242.56.70-86.rev.gaoland.net) 18.06.48 # i wish 18.07.01 # though the bit depth column there is confusing... 18.07.01 # :P 18.07.12 # I'm out too. G'night all. 18.07.13 # pixelma: And inaccurate. 18.07.18 Quit scorche (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- State of the art IRC") 18.07.20 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/0000000000]") 18.07.21 Nick courtc_ is now known as courtc (n=court@c-71-199-169-45.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 18.07.27 # I've added a second post with the list of resolutions. Anyone see any typos or missing resolutions? 18.07.51 # Llorean> Not contradictory at all, just not clear on what I considered the standard ipod firmware display... 1.) used ipodpatcher to load bootloader 2.) unzipped rockbox-20070225-4g-noscaling.zip 3) followed up with rockbox-fonts.zip Rebooted 18.08.22 # Feral_Kid: If you boot with hold on, does it go into the apple firmware? 18.09.04 # Llorean> No, it comes up with a flashing folder, then reboots 18.09.15 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p548496bc.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.10.58 # Llorean: I'm not sure how important that is but one thing about the Archos display is that it has rectangular pixels, that can have an influence on the appearance. Don't know if it's worth mentioning... 18.11.19 # Llorean> But it does still allow me to get to the drive via USB so not that hosed... 18.11.50 # pixelma: They should be testing in the simulator anyway, does the sim simulate that? 18.12.20 # Feral_Kid: It sounds like the bootloader install did not complete successfully. Try to uninstall it, if ipodpatcher will let you. Otherwise you may need to restore the ipod somehow. 18.12.21 # no - how should that work? (Squeeze your monitor?) ;) 18.12.59 Part rift 18.13.55 # pixelma: Well, what's the ratio of them? 18.14.17 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@unaffiliated/funky) 18.14.18 # pixelma: The simulator could do a 2x zoom for the screen, and draw them 2px wide and 3 tall, for example. :-P 18.14.21 # width = 80% of height 18.14.41 # So, 5:4 18.14.49 # Er, 4:5 18.15.26 # Is this true of all the 112x64 screens (all bitmap Archoses)? 18.15.37 # Llorean> Does this look right? 18.15.38 Join rift [0] (n=rift@86.70.56.242) 18.15.40 # Wrote 3563520 bytes to firmware partition 18.15.42 # Llorean: yes 18.15.46 Join lids [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-652cbb92e193426f) 18.16.35 Quit pill (Nick collision from services.) 18.16.43 # pixelma: (Note: These screens feature rectangular pixels that are 4:5 width:height ratio) ? 18.16.52 Join _pill [0] (i=pill@sloth.shellfx.net) 18.17.42 # sounds good - I'll be willing to follow the thread and try any contributions and give feedback 18.18.07 # Sounds good 18.18.27 # Hopefully there's interest 18.18.45 # Llorean> That solved the problem... Thanks... 18.18.47 Join brun0_ [0] (n=brun0_@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 18.18.59 Join Guest52768 [0] (i=pugsley@62.204.144.237) 18.19.20 # Llorean> There was a site with the latest scaled firmware... Do you know where that might be? 18.21.08 # Feral_Kid: I don't know, it's an unofficial build and not really supported. Try the unsupported builds section of the forum 18.22.05 # Llorean> Thanks again... 18.24.26 Join moos [0] (i=moos@m135.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 18.26.04 Join AceNik [0] (n=AceNik@203.145.159.44) 18.26.09 # Llorean: Are you planning on announcing the competition anywhere else? e.g. the mailing lists, misticriver, ... Maybe Bagder could add a news item with a link to the forum thread... 18.26.33 # Llorean: I also _believe_ that rockbox could use 24-bit.bmps everywhere which will be scaled to the targets bit depth later - but that maybe is not desired and also one has less control over it (for example like the changes to greyscale display that made some graphics of icatcher look broken for a while - those where colour bmps before because he wanted to reuse some graphics so that there are less files in SVN) 18.26.33 # hey uys i uploaded a wps , i get these [ , n ? in the preview how do i remove it 18.27.31 Quit ColdSphinX^ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.28.18 # pixelma: I'd be perfectly happy with 24-bit files everywhere, so that grayscale WPSes could be used on color screens nicely (H10 and H120 and X5 and M5 all at once) but that's a future thing. :) 18.28.47 Quit lini (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.30.09 # Llorean: I just mentioned it because of the last sentence about the colour bmps in your forum post 18.30.09 # AceNik: It looks like you deleted most of the iaudio X5 wiki page... 18.30.31 # no i havent i have not even saved any changes yet 18.30.42 # im just previewing my own stuff 18.30.55 # are you serious 18.30.58 # Are you NikkhilNarang? 18.31.08 # ya 18.31.18 # i havent saved changes or anything yet 18.31.25 # im just previewing 18.31.37 # You saved some changes at 16.11.45 (GMT I think) today. 18.31.48 # i.e. 20 minutes ago 18.31.53 # i ahev the whole pae in front of me in the dit section 18.31.56 # edit 18.32.05 # trust me its appearing fine when i preview 18.32.23 # do you want to c the preview link i use 18.32.28 # will it show 18.32.45 # its my first time 18.32.53 # It's OK, I'll have a look when you've finished editing. We can easily restore from older versions of the page 18.33.12 # thank god i got so scared 18.33.29 # All changes are reversible in the wiki... 18.33.31 # i wanted to know how to remove the [ , ? from being seen in the page 18.33.52 # It's hard to say without seeing your changes. 18.34.17 # k then should i hit the button to save changes 18.34.25 # Yes, go ahead.. 18.35.09 Quit funky ("leaving") 18.35.26 # pixelma, Llorean: The rockbox bmp loader is able to load 1bit, 4bit, 8bit, 16bit, 24bit and 32bit BMPs on all bitmap targets 18.36.10 # However, I don't think it makes sense to use 24bit everywhere. As already mentioned, this would give less control over how it actually looks (and the files are larger) 18.36.25 Join x1jmp [0] (n=x1jmp@p57B0AA99.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.36.51 # amiconn: It might make sense to do 8-bit or 16-bit grayscale ones, so that there are more shades of gray for color targets of the same resolution 18.37.27 # More than 8bit grayscale doesn't make sense 18.37.35 # AceNik: Is the problem the "Download:" link at the bottom? 18.37.43 # 16bit BMPs will give you _less_ shades of gray than 8bit ones 18.38.00 # amiconn: Well then 8-bit 18.38.01 # ya 18.38.23 # AceNik: I think the problem is that you have "[" and "]" in the filename - [ and ] are used for markup in the twiki. 18.38.28 # i fixed that 18.38.31 # 8bit BMPs use a pallette; for grayscale this allows to define any of the 256 possible brightness levels 18.38.50 # amiconn: I wasn't really familiar with how palletted bitmaps work. 18.38.55 # 16bit BMPs are either RGB565 or XRGB1555, so only 32 levels of (pure) gray 18.39.32 # linuxstb:its done , now tell me if there are any errors on the page n also why is there a ? mark at the end of my name i cant remove it 18.40.12 # Also maybe someone could remove the ATTENTION ADMINS part further up...? 18.40.35 # I'd do it myself but don't want to clash with your edits. 18.40.39 # AceNik: "AceNik" is in the format for a "wiki name" - so the wiki turns it into a link to a wiki page called AceNik. That page doesn't exist, which is why there's a ?. 18.41.06 # AceNik: I forget how, but you need to tell twiki not to treat it as a wiki name. 18.41.06 # Prepend a , and the ? will vanish 18.41.17 # There you go... 18.41.19 # linuxstb: so do i leave a space in between instead Ace Nik 18.42.03 # AceNik: AceNik 18.42.13 # ya tryin that 18.43.23 # Llorean: would it be ok if someone publishes a WPS for his/her target and asks if someone else has interest to port it to a different resolution? (That would clutter up the thread I guess and be of worth only in rare cases). Though I could imagine that posts like this pop up... 18.43.27 # its done my changes are made , please let me know if everythin according to youis fine , it was my first time 18.44.00 # pixelma: If people start doing that, I think there will be a *lot* of incomplete WPSes. 18.44.04 # AceNik: Looks good to me - you may want to add the to AceNik in the heading as well 18.44.09 # pixelma: People doing it *just* for their target, posting it, and leaving it. 18.44.21 # im done with the save changes button now 18.45.15 # pixelma: That being said, I won't mind one or two doing it, but I don't want to suggest it, and if it gets cluttered with that, I'll put a stop to it. 18.45.39 # how does the wps look any suggestions guys 18.45.41 # Llorean: I agree there's a danger in that, but on the other hand it's a lot of work to produce 13 different versions of a WPS. 18.45.51 # ok... that what just was crossing my mind 18.45.59 # AceNik: a little remark, instead of disabling the statusbar via the .cfg file you coud just use the %wd wps-tag. 18.46.30 # PaulJam: i have used it 18.46.56 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 18.47.09 # AceNik: but why do you disable the statusbar in the config then? 18.47.09 # linuxstb: As I said, I don't mind if people do it, but I don't want it to get out of hand. So I'm not going to suggest it, and if it becomes popular to ask for others to complete it, I'll probably split them to another thread. 18.47.57 # PaulJam:it was how it was int he original , idint bother with it , so the code was just changes to make it work well on H10 , & pictures were resized 18.48.28 # PaulJam:does it make a difference , if yes can u tell me an instance, then ill rechane it & uplaod 18.48.57 # Llorean: Did you see my question (about 22 minutes ago) about promoting the competition? 18.49.13 # AceNik: I prefer my themes not to change my menu status bar option unless they require it *on* because they've made a backdrop for it 18.49.33 # linuxstb: Ah, no, missed that entirely 18.49.40 # linuxstb: Yes, I think it needs a news post on the front page of the site. 18.49.45 # And probably a post to the user ML 18.49.48 # Alright i shall re upload it with a new .cfg 18.49.49 # * Llorean will do that 18.50.17 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@adsl-68-95-247-151.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 18.52.43 # linuxstb: Should I post at MisticRiver/iAudiophile/Anythingbutipod? 18.54.37 # * Llorean spreads the word. 18.54.53 # guys how do i delete the previous attachment 18.56.05 # AceNik: from the wiki? 18.56.33 # no i mean i updated my wps .zip now , so i want to delete the earlier .zip 18.56.50 # AceNik: i'm not sure, but i think this was disabled some time ago. you have to ask an admin to delete it. 18.57.08 # AceNik: When you want to update, you're not supposed to upload a new file 18.57.09 # ya it doesnt allow me too 18.57.18 # AceNik: You're supposed to choose the old file, and "manage" it, you can replace it with a newer version 18.57.35 # Llorean: is that not disalowed? 18.57.37 # i did that but it still shows 2 versions 18.57.38 # you could "manage -> update" your previous upload and load the new one... 18.57.58 # markun: I can do it, and I don't have any special wiki privileges. 18.58.09 # AceNik: That's because it's too late now. 18.58.16 # markun: moving it to trash isn't allowed atm 18.58.27 # so will someone delete the 1version now 18.58.38 # im linking in the gallery the second version 18.59.56 Quit midgey () 19.00.14 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 19.01.58 Quit Guest52768 ("lini has no reason") 19.02.04 Join lini [0] (i=pugsley@62.204.144.237) 19.03.35 Join NET||abuse [0] (n=lukeab@87-198-27-172.ptr.magnet.ie) 19.04.16 # guys im done 19.04.36 # please can someone delete version1 , bye thanks 19.05.46 # AceNik: you could now remove the remark, that the theme disables the statusbar in th emenus and browser. 19.06.22 # oh yes thanks 19.11.38 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 19.13.51 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.14.00 Quit AceNik ("bye guys have fun , enjoy !!!!!") 19.15.18 # i just noticed that the themes that get shipped with rockbox (on h300) also change the statusbar their .cfg file (statusbar: on). isn't that redundant with the %wd/%we wps-tags? 19.18.04 Nick x-spec-t is now known as Spec (n=nwheeler@ubuntu/member/spec) 19.18.57 # The tags only affect it in the WPS 19.19.12 # The default themes intend for the Rockbox status bar to be present in the menus as well, I suppose 19.19.50 Quit pondlife ("disconnected has pondlife") 19.21.03 # but they don't use a backdrop. i don't really see the need for these themes to enable the statusbar. 19.22.54 # here's my copy-resize-paste work of today, a new icon theme: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IconSets#BuufNano_12x12x16 19.22.59 # Maybe the authors liked status bars? 19.23.21 # I really, really wish people wouldn't antialiase their icons to a background. =/ 19.24.28 # ok, if this is intended, then i'll shut up. i just thought these were leftovers from the time when there were no wd/we tags. 19.24.53 # They might be as well, I dunno 19.27.43 # Llorean, there are gimp files in the zip 19.28.02 # spiorf: Which means you could've included aliased versions suitable for any backdrop. 19.28.10 # it can't 19.28.19 # ah, aliased 19.28.54 # It's my personal opinion though 19.28.57 # they were really uglywithout antialiasing. so ugly that noone would ever want to use them 19.29.41 # I just don't like icons restricted to one backdrop color. 19.29.52 # If anything choose black, or white, so that they're a little more generic (imho) 19.29.57 # Black is probably best. 19.30.00 Part leftright 19.30.06 # i'll do then 19.30.21 Quit ptw419 () 19.30.22 # it's only matter of filling a level with a color 19.30.45 # I just like the idea of the posted icon-set being as independent as possible. 19.32.15 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp45-184.adsl.forthnet.gr) 19.32.31 Join inversions [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 19.32.34 Join JazzBone [0] (n=JazzBone@cc829402-a.groni1.gr.home.nl) 19.32.44 # i'm making a white and a black one 19.33.02 # Febs: You here? 19.33.34 # Yes. 19.33.49 # Febs: You're a moderator at MR, right? Can you approve posts in the "Rockbox" general forum? 19.34.02 # Yes, and yes. 19.34.24 # I've posted there about the default theme design competition, and was wondering if you could check on approving it? 19.34.42 # I just approved it. 19.34.45 # Thank you 19.35.13 # To this day I don't understand why that forum is moderated, but it's a battle I've fought before and isn't worth fighting again. 19.35.35 # I was quite surprised when it told me it was. 19.40.18 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@unaffiliated/funky) 19.48.48 # linuxstb: The 144x80 version also suffers from the stuttering audio problem :( 19.50.43 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 19.50.45 # What parameters does the audio part of your ED encodings use, btw? 19.59.35 Join Redbreva [0] (n=chatzill@host86-144-220-212.range86-144.btcentralplus.com) 20.06.25 Join joeh [0] (i=joe@host86-137-252-22.range86-137.btcentralplus.com) 20.06.31 Nick joeh is now known as joaa (i=joe@host86-137-252-22.range86-137.btcentralplus.com) 20.09.42 # On the topic of Theme popularity, there is a chart of download numbers for Rockbox-Themes try http://www.rockbox-themes.org/Top30_Charts/2007/2007_YTD.html for figures for this year. 20.11.24 Quit knapp ("Leaving") 20.12.06 Join marc [0] (n=marc@128-222.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch) 20.24.12 Quit marc| (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.26.01 Quit brun0_ (Remote closed the connection) 20.36.39 Quit Nibbier ("bei uns hat noch niemals nicht koana koan durscht ned ghabt") 20.36.48 Join Nibbier [0] (n=sven@port-212-202-177-141.dynamic.qsc.de) 20.38.43 Join zylche [0] (n=wheee@82-41-83-91.cable.ubr01.dund.blueyonder.co.uk) 20.39.32 Join ColdSphinX^ [0] (n=sphinx@p213.54.162.220.tisdip.tiscali.de) 20.39.37 Quit zylche (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.46.24 Quit cadu_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.46.51 Join Gilad [0] (n=gilad_ba@bzq-179-127-22.static.bezeqint.net) 20.46.59 Part Gilad 20.52.48 Join JazzBone_ [0] (n=JazzBone@cc829402-a.groni1.gr.home.nl) 20.52.57 Quit lowlight ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 20.55.48 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul) 21.00.27 Join z0de [0] (i=z0de@80-194-233-59.cable.ubr01.enfi.blueyonder.co.uk) 21.00.45 # its a bad day :( 21.00.54 # has anyone had their x5 die? 21.01.04 # just stoped working mid play in my pocket :( 21.01.58 # wont charge/boot with comp eather 21.05.16 Join ctaf [0] (n=ctaf@ram94-6-82-242-23-70.fbx.proxad.net) 21.05.28 Part ctaf 21.07.48 # amiconn: ED audio is lame mp3 @ about 170kbps VBR IIRC. I could try a lower quality if you have any suggestions. 21.10.33 Quit JazzBone (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.11.31 Quit JazzBone_ ("Verlassend") 21.11.41 Join JazzBone_ [0] (n=JazzBone@cc829402-a.groni1.gr.home.nl) 21.11.41 Quit JazzBone_ (Client Quit) 21.13.31 # linuxstb: I am wondering about vo_setup() 21.13.50 # Is it really necessary to call that for every gop? 21.13.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.14.33 # For grayscale, it would be helpful to know the video x and y resolution at the start, and only reserve a partial grayscale overlay if it's not fullscreen 21.14.33 Quit hannesd_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.14.34 # It is? I'm pretty sure it never used to be. 21.15.18 # mpegplayer.c line1343 21.15.59 # no one knows what i can do with my x5? 21.16.17 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 21.16.49 # z0de: how long have you tried charging it? 21.17.09 # yup 21.17.12 # no responce 21.17.19 # lights or anything 21.17.25 # Read my question again. 21.17.30 # amiconn: Yes, it seems it's always done that. That main decoding loop is based on the sample application that comes with libmpeg2, and afaik, it's legal for mpeg streams to change size mid-stream.... 21.17.38 # oops 21.17.40 # bout 5mins 21.17.41 # urgh... 21.18.09 # Try charging it for half an hour or more. Sometimes if LiIon battery are completely discharged, they won't respond immediately. 21.18.34 # well it was full charged a few hours ago when i checked it 21.18.50 # ill try thou. 21.18.52 # amiconn: But I wouldn't be against changing that if there's a good reason. I don't think that's a feature of mpeg2 we have to support. 21.20.30 # Also, maybe the greyscale init should be done on the COP, and we should try to get the timer task running on the COP as well. That would solve the audio performance issues, but possibly give us video performance issues.... 21.20.52 # (i.e. initialise from within the video thread) 21.21.41 # asstounding, got my ipod mini out after 3 years just sitting there... and yeh, stuck rockbox on last night, charged up for 2 hours last night and listened all day today, battery is still good... charging up propperly now, have to see how long it'll last 21.22.28 # linuxstb: dvb streams aspect ratio at least mid-stream 21.22.35 # +change 21.22.59 # but never heard about changing resolution.. 21.23.14 # * amiconn is staring at the magic addresses and values in lcd-color_nano.c and lcd-gray.c and cursing portalplayer for being so opensource unfriendly :( 21.24.18 # is there a way to get the file browser to just play a directory and it's subdirectories? rather than having to go into a directory and play an individual file.. 21.24.50 # NET||abuse: find the recursive option.. 21.24.55 # recursive :) hmmm 21.25.03 # manual... 21.25.30 # and then just insert a directory to playlist 21.25.40 # same works for db mode also 21.25.43 # and the one thing i got stung with today... wma support... what can be done? or is it just not a good thing :) 21.25.51 # NET||abuse: hold down select key 21.26.35 Join bluebrother [0] (i=ReooBq54@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 21.26.39 # holding it down, yeh that's a good plan :) 21.26.56 # Llorean: just read about the theme contest. How about the customizeable icons? 21.28.04 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 21.32.00 # so anyone know anything about wma support ? 21.33.57 # bluebrother: If they include some, fine, if they don't and the theme looks okay, fine as well 21.34.54 # Slasheri: I've never seen it either, but I've also never read anything that says it's illegal... 21.35.12 # NET||abuse: Someone is going to work on WMA support this summer as part of the google summer of code. 21.35.42 # ahhhhh, cool, google being all altruistic 21.36.15 # well, then for now.. i guess i should prolly just wipe or somehow convert all these darn wma's :) 21.36.20 # to ogg 21.36.27 # or should i maybe aim for flac.. 21.36.34 # only got a 4GB ipod though :( 21.36.57 Quit spiorf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.37.39 # heh, funny, google'd wma to mp3, get lots of commercial options, wma to ogg, or wma to flac lotsa free options... guess which one wins ;) 21.39.56 # NET||abuse: If you have the original CDs, you'll be much better off re-ripping than converting... 21.39.58 # NET||abuse: if you have access to the original CDs i would suggest you to rip them again instead of transcoding. 21.40.04 # ;) 21.40.21 # * amiconn starts to understand how the (grayscale) lcd controller is hooked up to the pp in the ipods... 21.40.40 # hehe, no, don't unfortunately, they're either cd's i ripped years back and they've floated from pc to pc with me over a few years (so i've lost most of my cd collection) or they were friends files :) 21.40.49 # Strange thing is that the pp5022 does it differently from the pp5020 21.41.26 # pp5020 seems to use 8 bit parallel, while pp5022 seems to use serial transfer with the p->s conversion built into the pp 21.42.33 # bluebrother: To me the most important thing is the WPS, the rest is optional, but would be nice. 21.42.42 # If we would find the clock register setting and the relevant bits, it should be possible to double the framerate on pp5022, and get the same (or nearly the same) framerate for all cpu clocks 21.42.51 # screw it i'm tired, gonna go play a game of day of defeat.. thanks for the tips guys :) 21.43.00 # maybe it would be nice to mention it in your announcement post? 21.43.03 # what do you all think of this tool? http://www.litexmedia.com/audio_wizard/ 21.43.17 # I don't know how to speed things up on pp5020, but then I don't know how fast things are running on them 21.43.20 # amiconn: Reading the product briefs, the PP502x chips have 1, 4 and 8-bit interfaces. 21.43.21 # hmm, no nix version and just noticed the pay options on the right.. never mnid :) 21.43.51 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host235-205-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 21.44.15 # * amiconn would love to see LcdFrameRate results for Mini G1, iPod G4 grayscale and iPod G3 21.44.20 # bluebrother: was it too big for your eyes? :) 21.44.34 # ColdSphinX^, yes :P 21.44.44 # NET||abuse: If you're using unix, just can just use something like mplayer to convert to wav, and then encode with the encoder of your choice. Or maybe foobar2000 will do the conversion - it works fine with WINE. 21.45.00 # I am usually distracted by gib letters because it's mostly advertisments or similar ;-) 21.45.31 Join Hammer89 [0] (n=soc_inte@host-24-149-166-187.patmedia.net) 21.45.39 # hmm, havn't gotten round to setting up wine this time round,, havn't found anything i need it for urgently 21.45.48 # linuxstb: Btw, the conclusion that Mini G2 uses serial transfer is from lcd-gray.c lines 99 and 113 and the HD66753 datasheet page 45 21.46.20 # bluebrother: Mentioned iconsets and fonts. 21.46.29 # Llorean: :) 21.46.30 # Compare the (0x740000 | data) resp. (0x760000 | data) with the start byte format... 21.47.15 # amiconn: Is that datasheet on the wiki? 21.47.59 # Hmm, it's not... 21.48.09 # There is also no column for the grayscale ipods... 21.51.41 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@p549ACA38.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.51.49 # linuxstb: http://ipodlinux.sourceforge.net/download/ehd66753.pdf 21.52.28 # That's not the version I have (mine has proper bookmarks) but the page number matches 21.53.52 # Thanks., 21.54.10 # Ah, here is the better one: http://www.optrex.com/SiteImages/PartList/CONTROLLER/HD66753e.pdf 21.54.17 Quit NET||abuse ("Leaving") 21.54.35 # does anybody know if a h120, bricked by wrong power connection, is likely to have the Harddrive intact ? 21.54.47 # so i could rescue the music ? 21.54.54 # amiconn: That second one is only half the size as well... 21.55.43 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 21.57.13 # Domonoky: Not sure. I think LinusN might know 21.57.35 # Domonoky: I believe it is likely to, yes 21.57.53 # linuxstb i want to record mono, it defaults to the right channel is there anyway to use the left instead? 21.58.14 # what file would i have to edit in the source? do you know off hand? 21.58.29 # thx, so i will try to get the necessary tools to rescue the data.. :-) 22.00.01 # BiptoN: Sorry, no I don't know. 22.00.21 # linuxstb: Hmm, and there seems to be some accelerated output facility in the pp using a 16 bit counter (deducing from lcd-color_nano.c) 22.00.41 # Now if I knew the typical register aliasing on pp... preglow? 22.00.50 # thank you any hoot ;) 22.01.13 # * amiconn suspects that the lcd output registers might actually be the same on color and grayscale ipods 22.04.49 Quit Feral_Kid ("Ex-Chat") 22.06.40 Join charkins [0] (n=casey@pdpc/supporter/active/charkins) 22.06.42 Join pixelma_ [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 22.08.46 Quit ompaul ("night") 22.09.42 Join _kclaf [0] (i=kclaf@crj95-3-82-237-150-15.fbx.proxad.net) 22.09.42 Quit kclaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.12.04 Part Hammer89 22.13.19 Join mr_pink [0] (n=mfsoab99@pjrh2.caths.cam.ac.uk) 22.15.43 # hi, I've just moved back into my room at uni and the firewall (i assume) here is stopping me from connecting to the svn server. I've asked the computer office and they're being useless as usual, just wondering if anyone here might have any suggestions on getting round this? 22.16.07 # mr_pink: get a recent tarball 22.16.32 # we should work on getting http:// access up one of these days 22.17.00 # cheers, ill make do with using tarballs for now then. I didn't get on with them for some reason last time i tried 22.17.28 Quit webguest64 ("CGI:IRC") 22.17.41 # sometimes they lack a file or two 22.17.46 # due to sloppiness 22.17.58 # but if you get problems, just yell and we'll fix 22.24.08 Quit pixelma (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.24.09 # :( 22.24.09 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 22.24.16 # my x5 still wont boot/charge/load 22.25.03 # does the x5 have a reset button? 22.25.20 # * z0de looks 22.25.25 # yes 22.25.27 # yes 22.25.57 # maybe rockbox just froze with the backlight off 22.26.21 # but them holding off switch up would turn it off 22.26.52 # reset does nothing :( 22.27.19 # so what happens when you insert the charger? 22.27.22 # nothing 22.27.30 # then something is broken 22.27.33 # hw wise 22.27.38 # :( 22.27.50 # it just cut out in my pocket 22.28.23 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 22.28.25 # that's out of control for Rockbox and just boots into a charger mode 22.28.52 # though so, i was just hoping someone knew what i could do 22.29.27 # verify that your charger still works 22.29.55 # is it likely to still have charge in the battery? 22.30.27 # yup 22.30.27 # hmm, same thing i got last time i tried- when i run configure, i get permission denied :S im using VMware 22.30.34 # fullcharge last night 22.30.53 # z0de: and when you press power-on, what happens? 22.31.04 # nothing. 22.31.19 # mr_pink: does the configure script have the +x flags on it? 22.31.35 # the player does nothing regardless of what i plug/press 22.31.36 # mr_pink: try running it with "sh ../tools/configure" 22.32.01 # z0de: perhaps the battery is loose or something 22.32.18 # The reset button should power off the X5 even if it's completely hung and the charger isn't connected. With the charger connected, reset should cause it to reboot into cowon charging mode 22.33.11 # reset did nothing, but im not sure if im pushing it far enough 22.33.18 # how would i check the battery? 22.33.47 # I don't know, probably open up the player and check 22.33.54 # k, defently pressed reset now 22.33.57 # it clicked 22.34.02 # does nothing 22.35.40 # The reset button doesn't need to be pushed far, and not hard as well. It's similar to the normal buttons 22.36.02 # But it's possible to miss the reset button in the hole, I just tried 22.36.25 Join Domonoky_ [0] (n=Domonoky@p549AF7F5.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.36.25 # You should feel a slight click when you push it (like the record/play buttons) 22.36.30 Part Llorean 22.37.01 # Badger: That did it- whats different from using svn here then? 22.38.06 Part TrueJournals 22.38.21 # mr_pink: for some reason you didn't get the execute flag set with the tarball, but other than that you can't update the source code with a handy svn command building and everything is identical 22.38.55 Join crop [0] (i=95e13cb8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ee370f89ee81d441) 22.39.11 Quit merbanan (Remote closed the connection) 22.39.32 Join zylche [0] (n=wheee@82-41-83-91.cable.ubr01.dund.blueyonder.co.uk) 22.39.43 # amiconn: nice correction of sim io! 22.39.50 Quit zylche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.42.06 Quit desowin ("use linux") 22.46.36 Join skghaskghas [0] (i=z0de@80-194-233-59.cable.ubr01.enfi.blueyonder.co.uk) 22.46.46 Nick skghaskghas is now known as z0de0 (i=z0de@80-194-233-59.cable.ubr01.enfi.blueyonder.co.uk) 22.46.49 # hi 22.46.54 # my net droped out :( 22.47.09 # lol im still here 22.47.23 # can you kick z0de so i can get my nick back 22.47.44 # kicking doesn't help 22.48.10 # no? 22.48.14 # no 22.48.30 # so how do i get my name back? 22.48.44 # you are registered so you can do that yourself - "/msg nickserv ghost password" 22.48.49 # i am 22.49.06 # so kick z0de (whos me) so i can /nick z0de and then send the pass 22.49.29 # z0de: read pixelma's message again 22.49.44 # lol 22.49.45 # and again: kicking doesn't help 22.49.59 # i suck at reading today, thanks for being patient 22.50.21 Quit z0de (Nick collision from services.) 22.50.26 Nick z0de0 is now known as z0de (i=z0de@80-194-233-59.cable.ubr01.enfi.blueyonder.co.uk) 22.50.41 # \o/ 22.51.19 # so any more ideas on what i can do with the x5? 22.52.01 # I get compile error when building debug sim for gigabeat under cygwin: 22.52.03 # make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/cygdrive/c/work/rockbox/cvs/rockbox/firmware/target/arm/gigabeat/meg-fx/button-target.h', needed by `/cygdrive/c/work/rockbox/cvs/rockbox/build_gigabeat_debug/firmware/backlight.o'. 22.52.21 # What's wrong? I did svn update and ../tools/configure 22.52.31 # crop: For gigabeat you need to reconfigure due to changed folder names 22.52.45 # crop: did a make clean too? 22.52.54 # Bagder: no 22.53.02 # try that 22.53.27 # Bagder: already done and kicked make once more 22.53.47 Quit Domonoky (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.54.30 # Bagder: It would be really nice if the tags on http://build.rockbox.org/ had proper width and height attributed 22.54.34 # *attributes 22.54.40 # true 22.55.10 # The tables are jumping all around the screen when (re)loading and gfx aren't cached 22.55.11 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@rockbox/administrator/Llorean) 22.56.00 # amiconn: checked the buildmaster logs tonight? they should the potential for parallell build attempts 22.56.16 # "they show" 22.57.42 # and look 22.57.45 Quit mr_pink (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.57.47 # the reds are gone! ;-) 22.57.54 Join DrMoos [0] (i=moos@m135.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 22.58.02 # whats the status of rombox on iriver, btw? 22.58.08 # iriver being hxx0 22.58.22 Quit moos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.58.37 # on h120 it works I believe 22.58.48 # as in it executes from flash too? no ram copying? 22.58.54 # ah 22.59.12 # uhm, I'm not really keeping up with the details there so I better shut up 22.59.57 # preglow: I think it does, but I didn't try it yet 23.00.35 # me neither 23.00.43 # There is no official bootloader supporting that yet, and I rather don't want to brick my H180, being my swcodec target with the largest storage capacity 23.01.00 # Maybe I'll try shortly before, or at, devcon 23.01.50 # The playback is choppy on my sansa e280.. is this a known issue? 23.01.58 # I haven't found a pattern for it really 23.02.00 # Some songs play fine 23.02.23 # Bagder: hmmmmm :\ 23.02.39 # Bagder: gigabeat build succeeded! Thanks! 23.02.51 # * amiconn would prefer if the reds would be gone for real rather than hidden :/ 23.03.03 # preglow: There's a version that executes from ROM yes. 23.03.14 # At least, to my understanding there is 23.03.18 # * Llorean hasn't tried it either. 23.03.28 # amiconn: sure, but they won't for quite some time more 23.03.32 # preglow: Do you remember the typical register aliasing on pp? 23.03.38 # and they're only in the way until then 23.04.15 Nick _kclaf is now known as kclaf (i=kclaf@crj95-3-82-237-150-15.fbx.proxad.net) 23.04.16 Join mr_pink [0] (n=chatzill@pjrh2.caths.cam.ac.uk) 23.04.54 # * amiconn can't see why they would be in the way... 23.05.02 # why are they in the way? Seems like only a few people cared anyway... :( 23.05.13 # The 17 yellows are more annoying... 23.05.20 # because errors that aren't taken care of makes the actual errors harder to see 23.05.29 # and clearly, nobody cares about rombox errors 23.05.34 # or at least not enough 23.05.45 # I'm annoyed by the yellows too 23.06.26 # once someone actually tries to get rombox to work we can bring them back 23.06.38 # like the gmini port ;-) 23.08.17 # I'm actually in favour of just removing that #warning 23.08.21 # * amiconn thinks a working gmini port (gmini 1xx and 2xx) is very unlikely 23.08.32 # oh yes 23.08.37 # very very unlikely 23.08.39 # Bagder: I agree, I don't think anyone's going to forget that dual core support isn't working yet. 23.09.02 # Much more unlikely than linuxstb finsihing either one of his started-but-not-really-pushing-forward ports 23.10.28 # what would you say would be a good heuristic on what build to run in parallell when a server goes idle and there are N unfinished builds? 23.10.53 # one that has spent a long time or one that was just recently started? 23.11.28 # Hmm.... 23.11.44 # Maybe one that already runs unusually long 23.12.22 # But that would require to maintain a table of build speeds for each build (or at least each build category) per build server 23.12.50 # yeah, and the first idle server may go idle before anyone has had time to go "unusually long" 23.13.10 # of course depending on what that limit would be 23.13.40 # I think I would prefer a simpler approach 23.13.47 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc4-brig8-0-0-cust871.brig.cable.ntl.com) 23.13.55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.14.42 # First, I'd think we should start with the slow builds (swcodec sim, targets) in general, and work towards the fast ones (bootloaders) 23.14.56 Quit x1jmp (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.15.48 # well, I checked a few recent logs and it is quite clear that the bootloaders, sims or sh targets are never the last jobs to finish 23.16.41 # Starting with the slow ones should help that slow build servers don't extend build times that much 23.17.16 # If a slow build server gets a slow build after a fast one, chances are high that it will need longer than all other build servers 23.17.29 # yes 23.17.49 # But if it starts with the slow one, all other build servers will have finished the other builds when the slow server finishes its single build 23.17.53 # but if you check the logs, you'll see that builds times vary a lot 23.18.04 # Yes, depending how much changed 23.18.13 # not really 23.18.18 # Changing .h files increase build times 23.18.20 # I guess more on server load 23.18.25 # and possibly network situation 23.18.58 # but of course amount of changes is significant as well 23.19.17 # my point being: I want to avoid to guess which servers that are fast or slow 23.19.40 # yes 23.20.19 # If we start with the slow builds, chances are that the faster ones are built concurrently because they are started nearer to the end 23.21.31 # well, we can see that the sims are prefered 23.21.35 # The I would think starting with recently scheduled builds for concurrent builds and working towards the earlier ones might be a good idea 23.22.01 Quit crop ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23.22.12 # yes, I think so too 23.23.08 # Does the concurrent build system allow to stop all other builds when the first server is done with it? 23.23.38 # yes it will do that 23.23.45 # ok 23.23.52 Quit ColdSphinX^ ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 23.25.20 # Under normal circumstances starting most recent builds concurrently should yield slightly faster overall build time, because the fastest / least loaded servers will return them, and the other ones will do something for their ccaches 23.25.51 # And in the case of a crashed server / broken connection the concurrent builds will save us from stalling 23.26.01 # true 23.26.52 # * amiconn wonders whether it'd also be possible to protect against broken server configurations 23.27.04 # the idea is to keep all servers busy until the last build is done 23.27.17 # That has nothing to do with the concurrency system, just checking things like installed compilers 23.27.39 # Missing compilers happened more than once recently... 23.27.41 # yeah, but that wouldn't have to be done for each build 23.27.58 # No, just at the start of a round 23.28.02 Quit Febs () 23.28.26 Quit bluebrother ("Leaving") 23.28.28 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@38.98.196.75) 23.28.57 Quit Febs (Client Quit) 23.29.33 # preglow: rombox works on H120/H140 like a charm for me 23.29.40 Join twenty6ix [0] (i=t26-@CPE000ae65fa2ad-CM001692fb7540.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 23.29.48 # Slasheri did a fine work on that 23.30.24 # hey guys, bit of a dumb question :/ but i've been looking around the Rockbox site for a recording tutorial or something of the like and can't seem to find one, can anyone point me in the right direction? 23.30.25 # though amiconn is right that there is no official bootloader that allows to flash rockbox 23.30.55 # on the other hand the bootloader slasheri provided in the wiki page is quite valid at least for H120/H140 targets 23.31.22 # I think that flashing for H100s isn't enabled because Slasheri didn't have a target to test 23.32.32 # hmmmmm 23.33.07 # Flashing an X5 or M5 should in fact be simple (provided we keep the cowon loader as we do now) 23.33.23 # hmmm... the default keyboard is getting to small on the more modern targets. 23.33.35 # twenty6ix: I only know of the triggered recording manual in the wiki - the manual itself doesn't tell much about recording (but might give a start) and maybe you can find something in the forums 23.33.41 # I am searching the database, and it is dificult to see on the gigabeat 23.34.09 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.220.65) 23.34.13 # i checked the forums... hmm... i do know that plugging a 1/4" cable from my sound card to my iPod yields no results 23.34.14 # elinenbe: Load a .kbd, then it uses the UI font instead of the sysfont 23.35.43 # twenty6ix: no idea about recording on ipods, sorry... 23.36.25 # twenty6ix: Which iPod? 23.36.54 # 5.5g 23.36.55 Quit davina (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.37.00 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 23.37.03 # And set to "Mic" or "Line-in"? 23.37.06 # Line-in 23.37.09 # Do Mic 23.37.10 # i tried both 23.37.19 # Line-in is for the dock port 23.37.22 # i didn't actually try saving and listening but i say no move in the analyzer 23.37.23 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 23.37.26 # *saw, sorry 23.37.37 # or the meter, rather 23.38.19 # and coming from an amp with the recording volume way up i figure i should see some move in the meter 23.38.50 # amiconn: can't remember the aliasing, no 23.39.02 # I'm not even sure the 5G have an input in the mic port, maybe they don't. 23.39.12 # i thought the g5 ipod wasn't able to record through the headphone connector 23.39.15 # ah 23.39.19 # that's possible 23.39.24 # thanks for the help guys :) 23.39.34 # i wish there was a way to customize the menu in Rockbox like there is on the Apple firmware 23.39.48 # PaulJam: I know the nano can't, I don't know for sure either way on the 5G. 23.43.31 Quit twenty6ix () 23.47.40 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.51.14 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 23.51.56 Join knapp [0] (n=knapp@67.132.247.218) 23.58.14 # starting now, the delta table should use the 'actual size' value from rockbox-info.txt 23.58.31 # so no more crazy-ass padding error from the mi4 targets? 23.58.38 # right 23.58.39 Nick Spec is now known as x-spec-t (n=nwheeler@ubuntu/member/spec)