--- Log for 22.04.107 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot- Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 10 days and 22 hours ago 00.01.00 Nick alonea_away is now known as Alonea (n=chatzill@24-117-195-16.cpe.cableone.net) 00.01.32 Quit juxtap (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.02.41 Quit midgey () 00.03.09 Quit hcs () 00.03.42 Join juxtap [0] (n=juxtap@wbs-41-208-223-217.wbs.co.za) 00.03.42 Quit donutman25 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.03.43 Quit billytwowilly (Connection timed out) 00.05.01 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 00.05.12 # kkurbjun: newlib's sscanf is a monster compared to this... 00.07.36 # I agree, newlib is much more complex on the whole, it was just a suggestion for getting started working with sscanf 00.09.42 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.09.42 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 00.13.08 Quit bluebrother ("Leaving") 00.16.55 Quit davina ("byeeeeee!") 00.21.57 Quit barrywardell () 00.27.28 Join ctaf [0] (n=ctaf@ram94-6-82-242-23-70.fbx.proxad.net) 00.27.38 Part ctaf 00.29.23 Quit parasite_ (Remote closed the connection) 00.31.24 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 00.33.31 Quit Rondom ("niqht") 00.35.52 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.160.35) 00.40.34 Quit robin0800 (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- 100,000+ downloads can't be wrong") 00.42.45 Quit TrueJournals (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.50.21 Join idnar [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 00.52.28 Quit borisyeltsin (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.52.35 Join borisyeltsin [0] (n=chris@CABLE-72-53-22-60.cia.com) 00.54.27 Quit Hammer89 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.56.38 Quit idnar_ (Connection timed out) 00.57.26 Part rift1 00.57.55 Quit blithe (Remote closed the connection) 00.58.05 Join blithe [0] (n=blithe@shrv-c-068.resnet.purdue.edu) 00.58.17 Quit x2jmp (Remote closed the connection) 00.58.23 Quit obo ("bye") 01.00.07 Quit ender` (" Logic is a systematic method of coming to the wrong conclusion with confidence.") 01.00.56 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 01.03.50 Join elinenbe [0] (n=elinenbe@207-237-224-214.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 01.09.40 Join Hammer89 [0] (n=soc_inte@host-24-149-166-187.patmedia.net) 01.13.14 Quit Hammer89 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.13.44 Join Hammer89 [0] (n=soc_inte@host-24-149-166-187.patmedia.net) 01.14.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.18.32 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.19.34 Quit Alonea (Remote closed the connection) 01.19.46 Join iNSOMNiAX [0] (n=iNSOMNiA@216-165-236-53.championbroadband.com) 01.21.14 Quit juxtap (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.23.45 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@24-117-195-16.cpe.cableone.net) 01.29.05 Join juxtap [0] (n=juxtap@wbs-196-2-100-67.wbs.co.za) 01.38.41 Join Entasis [0] (n=Jarred@ppp48-102.lns11.adl2.internode.on.net) 01.58.29 # Does there exist an official page with boot logos? for the different players.. i would like to change mine on the sansa 02.03.09 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 02.04.20 # what's the width of the sansa's screen? 02.04.36 # Juice^: ^^ 02.05.02 # 176x220 02.05.11 # highlight there :) 02.05.24 # Soap :] 02.06.42 # dcc send doesnt seem to be working :x 02.09.05 # www.cleansoap.org/images/rockboxlogo.176x54x16.bmp 02.10.23 # the image itself is found in apps\bitmaps\native in the SVN tree, I don't know if there is an online SVN browser or not. 02.11.23 # Soap: there is. http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/?pathrev=13236 02.11.54 # thankyou 02.12.49 Quit ompaul ("later") 02.12.52 # thanks soap 02.20.14 Quit PaulJam (".") 02.23.00 Quit jhulst (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.23.40 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Remote closed the connection) 02.24.34 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@adsl-65-64-200-86.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 02.25.31 Quit moos ("Glory to Rockbox") 02.35.56 Join jaebird [0] (n=jae@53-89.netblk-69-41-89.coolaccess.net) 02.43.37 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 02.51.11 Quit barrywardell () 02.53.42 Join spaz [0] (i=spaz@unaffiliated/spaz/x-0001) 02.57.28 Part spaz ("Bye") 03.00.04 Quit Juice^ ("Leaving") 03.05.55 Quit Weiss (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.10.50 Join Br3nda [0] (n=brenda@121-73-1-165.cable.telstraclear.net) 03.14.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.20.44 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.171.27) 03.25.51 Quit [g2] ("Leaving") 03.26.02 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 03.33.19 Quit juxtap (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.33.43 Join jamieh1 [0] (n=jamiehd@89.241.174.74) 03.34.05 # Help! 03.34.20 # I installed rockbox today, but I think there is something wrong. 03.35.08 # Basically, I'm on a 1st gen nano, and it has been building the database for over an hour and has only found 98 songs out of about 800 03.35.12 # Any ideas? 03.38.47 Join juxtap [0] (n=juxtap@wbs-41-208-199-121.wbs.co.za) 03.39.15 Quit entheh ("^~") 03.39.33 # Well, thanks anyway... 03.42.12 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.45.11 Join webguest52 [0] (i=43ad8a99@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b8b8a6ee6f9495a6) 03.45.57 # Hello? 03.46.06 # Hello! 03.46.08 # Hello? 03.46.19 # anybody here? 03.46.20 # You don't need to repeat yourself. 03.46.23 # o 03.46.26 # srry 03.46.36 # hey i got a question? 03.46.40 # Do you? 03.46.47 # i cant load my ipod 03.46.53 # u no y? 03.46.56 # or..... 03.46.56 # What do you mean exactly by that. 03.47.03 # can you help please? 03.47.08 # ok 03.47.13 # Rockbox doesn't load? I can't connect to USB? I can't load the iPod firmware? 03.47.20 # i just downloaded rockbox 03.47.28 # and... 03.47.50 # Please try to write as much on one line as possible. Makes reading a whole lot easier. 03.47.55 # installed it to my ipod but it says it erroe 03.48.05 # erroe 03.48.12 # error 03.48.15 # srry 03.48.18 # lo 03.48.20 # lolol 03.48.26 # damn 03.48.26 # Well, what error is it giving you? 03.48.41 # let me write what it says 03.48.45 # Please. 03.49.07 # my ipod says it cant load rockbox. 03.49.29 # and it says press menu and select to reboot 03.49.50 # i did that like a million times and it doesnt work 03.49.50 # It should have an error code, or some more information. Please write it all - I have no idea what the problem is unless you do that. 03.50.20 # i'm gonna write everything it says exaclt the way it says kk 03.50.28 # That would be helpful 03.50.34 # ok 03.52.07 Part jamieh1 03.53.00 Join webguest79 [0] (i=57c61a05@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-67d16584ef5fbfcc) 03.54.32 Quit webguest79 (Client Quit) 03.54.32 Quit webguest52 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03.54.47 Join webguest52 [0] (i=43ad8a99@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-956fdb0515e6a610) 03.55.22 # can anybody help me with my ipod 03.55.41 # webguest52: Yes, I already was. Are you going to tell me the error? 03.56.03 # u looged off 03.56.11 # i was typing 03.56.12 # No you did. 03.56.30 # ok i type slow so... 03.56.40 # can u waite please 03.56.45 # please 03.57.01 # I'll be here for at least another one and a half hours and then I have work, so yes, I have plenty of time. 03.57.30 # it says it cant find or load rockbox,ipod 03.57.34 # it says 03.57.39 # file not found 03.57.59 # Did you download and extract rockbox.zip to your iPod? 03.58.02 # what can i do? 03.58.08 # yup 03.58.13 # i did 03.58.35 # Well, can you check if there is a file called "rockbox.ipod" in the folder ".rockbox" on your iPod? 03.58.59 # the thing is my pc cant find my ipod 03.59.09 # wasup with that? 03.59.45 # Try loading the iPod firmware before connecting it to your computer. 03.59.57 # Do this by switching hold on right after you turn it on 04.00.04 # what do u mean the ipod firmware? 04.00.13 # 1st time doing this 04.00.17 # sorry 04.00.29 # You know the original iPod firmware? 04.00.35 # ie. Not rockbox 04.00.50 # uuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhh...not really.... 04.00.58 # is it on my ipod 04.01.02 # ????? 04.01.04 # I would hope so. 04.01.18 # Otherwise your ipod would have never worked in the first place. 04.01.21 # yeah but my computer wont load or find my ipod 04.01.25 # I know. 04.01.44 # Stop repeating yourself, you are making it very difficult for me to help you. You DO want me to help you, right? 04.01.49 # my pc usually opens itunes when i connect my ipod 04.02.05 # yes i want u 2 please help me 04.02.12 # PLEASE!!!! 04.02.23 # Follow these instructions. 1. Turn off the iPod by holding menu and select for about 30 seconds. 04.02.34 # kk 04.02.55 # 2. Turn the iPod on by pressing the hold button, and STRAIGHT after it turns on (like once the light comes on) switch the hold switch on. 04.03.16 # wait please 04.03.24 # Uh, turn it on by pressing the play button, not the hold button. 04.03.45 # it wont turn off 04.03.51 # it just reboots 04.04.10 # That's fine, you still need to enable the hold button. 04.04.22 # So as soon as it reboots, switch hold on. 04.04.29 # kk i did that 04.04.48 # the hold is on 04.04.53 # Did the iPod software load up? 04.04.55 # so now what? 04.05.02 # nope? 04.05.13 # What does it say on the screen? 04.05.14 # what is it supposed to look like? 04.05.36 # Just normal, like with the white screen that says "artists albums" etc 04.05.45 # nope nothing 04.05.51 # So it's off? 04.05.52 # the same thing pops up 04.05.56 # Oh 04.06.01 # the error thing 04.06.11 # the hold is on 04.06.17 # now what 04.06.22 # take it off? 04.06.25 # You need to switch hold on BEFORE that screen comes up 04.06.39 # ok 04.06.45 # so start over? 04.07.29 # Yes. Restart and turn on hold ASAP, before anything comes up on the screen. 04.08.03 # ok the screen on my ipod is black and it says the error thing 04.08.12 # and the hold is on? 04.08.17 # do i take it off? 04.08.20 # Yes. 04.08.25 # kk 04.08.31 # now what? 04.08.32 # Try restarting the ipod while holding the menu butotn. 04.08.39 # kk 04.09.03 # then i do what? 04.09.50 # What happens when you connect the USB? 04.09.53 # Like right now. 04.10.07 # the hold is on and the apple icon is still on 04.10.17 # o 04.10.18 # Apple icon? 04.10.19 # wait 04.10.30 # i can see the menu! 04.10.37 # Ok, that's a start. 04.10.39 # the normal menu! 04.10.41 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 04.10.51 # so now what 04.10.54 # Now, connect the iPod to your computer 04.10.56 # wait 04.11.00 # kk 04.11.15 # ok i did that 04.11.23 # Now go to the iPod's drive. 04.11.28 # tanks by the way! 04.11.32 # thanx 04.11.39 # We're only half way there at the moment. 04.11.45 # kk 04.11.59 # Do you have a Mac or a PC? 04.12.04 # pc 04.12.11 # i wish i had a mac 04.12.13 # Good. (I don't know anything about macs) 04.12.31 # mac r 2 expensive 04.12.48 # Open up My computer, and go to the iPod. 04.12.57 # i did that 04.12.59 Quit hannesd_ (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 04.13.01 # so now what? 04.13.03 # There should be a folder called ".rockbox" in there 04.13.05 # Is there? 04.13.21 # no it in another folder i created 04.13.30 # take it out 04.13.33 # ???? 04.13.42 # .rockbox needs to be in the ipod's main folder 04.13.51 # OH!!!! 04.14.00 # is that the problem 04.14.02 # Yes. 04.14.04 # ? 04.14.06 # o 04.14.17 # r u a hacker or something? 04.14.23 # ... uh not really. 04.14.31 # I know how to make rockbox work though! 04.14.36 # *is laughing... HARD* 04.14.36 # but you'r smart though! 04.14.43 # really smart!! 04.14.46 # XD 04.15.11 # kk 04.15.18 # its in the main folder 04.15.20 # So double check that the .rockbox folder (and everything in it) is in the iPod drive (like F:/.rockbox) 04.15.25 # so now what? 04.15.38 # k wait plz 04.15.42 # Safely remove the ipod and unplug it. Rockbox should load. 04.15.57 Join GrooveStix [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-68-252-69-39.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net) 04.16.41 # ctually it has some folder but not the one u said like (F:/rockbox) 04.16.41 # hey folks 04.16.55 # just alot of folders 04.17.04 # What do you mean webguest52? 04.17.12 # huh? 04.17.12 # has anyone been getting "bad checksum" errors lately? 04.17.26 # i just looged in like that 04.17.38 # i suck at spelling sorry 04.17.42 # =( 04.17.49 # lol 04.17.51 # When you open the ipod drive, is there a folder called ".rockbox" there. Or is it somewhere else? 04.18.16 # yeah 04.18.22 # i see it 04.18.34 # Ok, cool. Disconnect the iPod and it should load rockbox. 04.18.41 # kk 04.18.52 # wait plz 04.19.13 Quit Thundercloud_ (Connection timed out) 04.19.15 # kk now what 04.19.19 # WHOA 04.19.26 # WHOA!!!! 04.19.36 # it's all white and 04.19.43 # its all white 04.19.48 # waite 04.20.00 # y does this stuff show up twice 04.20.05 # never mind 04.20.07 # srry 04.20.21 # y r the letters all small? 04.20.29 # like the words 04.21.05 Quit krazykit (Remote closed the connection) 04.21.09 # hello? anybody here? 04.21.13 # Because the default font is small. I'm not going to teach you how to use rockbox, there's way too much to cover. 04.21.24 # Instead, I suggest you read the manual. 04.21.26 # its cool 04.21.30 # no worries 04.21.35 # just axin' 04.21.50 # oh by the way im 16 yrs 04.22.09 # I'm 18 :) 04.22.34 # Oh wait, 19... forgot about my birthday the other day... 04.22.42 # hey i downloaded this cuz i thought i could put computer games like mario or doom on my ipod video 04.22.55 # can i do that? 04.23.06 # You can. Gameboy games will run slowly on an ipod video though. 04.23.09 Join krazykit [0] (n=kkit@donatello.huffman.denison.edu) 04.23.18 # gameboy games? 04.23.24 # Yes. Gameboy games. 04.23.27 # how do i put them on my ipod? 04.23.40 # or where can i download them? 04.23.54 # do u play pc online games? 04.24.06 # like endless online? 04.24.16 # You'll have to do that yourself, it's illegal to provide gameboy games for download. 04.24.24 # o 04.24.25 # You will want to read thsi: 04.24.26 # kk 04.24.26 # http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-build.html 04.24.27 # lol 04.24.48 # does that tell me how to download them on my ipod 04.24.51 # ???? 04.25.02 # That tells you everything you want to know about rockbox. And more. 04.25.13 # kk thank you 04.25.29 # do u play endless online? 04.25.44 # Nope. 04.25.54 # kk thank you cya 04.26.10 # wait 04.26.21 # its really kool if u want it go to 04.26.33 # www.endless-online.com 04.26.38 # its free 04.26.46 # lol 04.27.16 Quit webguest52 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 04.27.25 # * aliask breathes a sigh of relief 04.27.34 # That was entertaining... 04.27.40 # Quite. 04.28.30 # :) 04.28.34 # Actually... I needed that... I haven't laughed that hard all day :D 04.29.41 # damn, you guys will make me to open the logs and crash firefox 04.29.53 # or worse 04.30.36 # ... 04.31.20 # however, can someone offer some help 04.32.11 # I am getting "bad checksum" errors since I updated the firmware/bootloader 04.32.16 # on my GigaBeat F 04.33.40 # any ideas? or shall I specificate further ? 04.34.01 # what did you update, specifically? the gigabeat firmware or the bootloader? 04.34.19 # both 04.34.44 # try copying over the bootloader again 04.34.57 # make sure it's the rockbox one 04.35.14 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 04.37.31 # I have an idea 04.37.40 # I'll take a picture of the error message 04.37.53 # since it's long 04.38.04 # (yes I copied the bootloader again) 04.40.28 # hmmm, bad idea 04.40.37 # my cam sucks 04.40.53 # I'll try to type it then: 04.43.43 # Rockbox bootloader 04.43.48 # Version: .... 04.44.02 # Loading Firmware 04.44.21 # Length: 6D348 04.44.26 # Checksum: 0 04.44.57 # Model name: 04.45.17 # Loading rockbox.gigabeat 04.45.37 # Sum: 2BE7B69 04.45.59 # Bad Checksum 04.46.06 # .......... 04.46.10 # and that's it 04.46.31 # any ideas? 04.47.14 # try putting on the latest build of rockbox 04.47.18 # btw this shows up after the loading screen and stays on for about 5 second 04.47.20 # s 04.47.24 # I did 04.47.33 # strange. i have today's rockbox and it works fine 04.47.45 Quit Br3nda ("Konversation terminated!") 04.47.47 # I actually moved all the old rockbox files away 04.48.08 # and unzipped a fresh combination of bootloader/fonts/rockbox 04.48.27 # same error 04.48.46 # hm. any way you could restore it to factory (using whatever tool toshiba has) and then reinstalling? 04.48.57 # assuming you're using windows, of course 04.49.00 # yes 04.49.07 # I have a better idea 04.49.25 # I'll try restoring the older bootloader 04.50.54 # let us see 04.51.05 # aha! it's the BootLoader!!! 04.51.23 # I downgraded it and now it works fine again! 04.52.22 # mmmhm 04.52.39 Part TrueJournals 04.55.37 Join iwantanimac [0] (n=iwantani@124-168-93-140.dyn.iinet.net.au) 04.57.07 Quit Alonea (Remote closed the connection) 04.58.02 Quit GrooveStix ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 04.59.40 Join Topy [0] (n=Topy44@xdsl-81-173-145-97.netcologne.de) 05.00.26 Quit iwantanimac (Client Quit) 05.03.55 Join H10_007quick [0] (n=chatzill@mnet-ki-244-78-181.monarch.net) 05.04.29 # In linux how do I make the rockbox utility? 05.04.50 # I tried the make command in the rbutil folder but it failed 05.06.21 Quit aliask (Remote closed the connection) 05.09.07 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@24-117-195-16.cpe.cableone.net) 05.14.16 # Never mind, I will ask latter! 05.14.18 Quit H10_007quick ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030916]") 05.14.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.17.25 Quit Topy44 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.22.14 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@c-71-205-145-105.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 05.25.41 Part Hammer89 05.26.06 Quit midgey () 05.26.46 Quit lids (Remote closed the connection) 05.28.47 Join lids [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-a9cc65602cfafa1e) 05.40.33 Part toffe82 05.54.18 Join Transience [0] (n=Transien@cpe-72-226-77-95.nycap.res.rr.com) 05.54.42 # hey 05.55.12 # i'm working on modifying the firmware over at epiZENter.net 05.55.53 # we're stuck because we can't figure out which algorithm generates the checksum for the nk.bin file 05.56.12 # does anyone know which algorithm this is? 05.57.28 # hey, any more progress on the sansa? The wiki hasn't been updated in a while... 05.58.03 # hey 05.58.18 # do you have any familiarity with either the ZVM 05.58.29 # or checksum algorithms? 05.58.38 # I don't code. Thus my interest in the sansa port. If I could code I would have done it myself;) 05.58.48 # mm 05.58.58 # this isn't really coding though 05.59.07 # still no knowledge. 05.59.11 # ah 05.59.13 # thanks anyway 05.59.29 # i'm a ZVM man though 05.59.38 # so i couldn't tell you about the sansa 05.59.39 # sorry 06.10.08 Quit rotator () 06.18.42 Quit juxtap (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 06.22.00 Join MonkeyTamer [0] (n=chatzill@pcp009946pcs.santa-lucia.reshall.calpoly.edu) 06.24.39 # does anyone in here know about the ZVM? 06.29.26 Join lachlan [0] (i=cbce3551@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f3eff31486881870) 06.29.42 Quit lachlan (Client Quit) 06.30.06 Join lachlan [0] (i=cbce3551@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-857f45ef198fba64) 06.30.52 Part Transience 06.34.51 Join Transience [0] (n=Transien@cpe-72-226-77-95.nycap.res.rr.com) 06.35.32 Nick Transience is now known as Sain1 (n=Transien@cpe-72-226-77-95.nycap.res.rr.com) 06.35.55 Nick Sain1 is now known as Saint_Jimmy_ (n=Transien@cpe-72-226-77-95.nycap.res.rr.com) 06.40.51 # does anyone in here know about checksums? 06.42.06 # i'm working on modifying the Zen Vision M firmware at epiZENter.net 06.44.19 # Saint_Jimmy_: Any specific questions? 06.44.51 # we're trying to modify the firmware 06.44.52 Quit Alonea (Remote closed the connection) 06.45.05 # but we can't get the firmware to pass the checksum 06.45.21 # have you read the thread in New Ports? 06.45.25 # because we don't know the algorithm which generated the checksum for the nk.bin file 06.45.28 # yeah 06.45.48 # http://www.epizenter.net/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?69697.270 06.45.52 # look at my last post 06.45.52 # then you have all the information that exists within rockbox right now 06.46.01 # Saint_Jimmy_: The post on Rockbox 06.46.06 # with the registry key 06.46.14 # i meant: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3320.0 06.46.50 # between those threads, that's pretty much what there is 06.47.03 # Saint_Jimmy: There aren't any core developers of Rockbox interested in a ZVM port (to my knowledge). Your best bet would be to look in the thread in our New POrts section, as there were one of two knowledgeable poeple trying to create a port IIRC. 06.47.22 Join Br3nda [0] (n=brenda@121-73-1-165.cable.telstraclear.net) 06.47.33 # s/of/or 06.48.00 # well we know that it's a 160 bit hash 06.48.13 # if that helps any 06.48.28 # Saint_Jimmy_: We don't know that for sure, that's what we think right now 06.48.50 # oh 06.48.51 # kk 06.49.01 # If you have any specific questions, I can do my best to answer them, I am one of the people working on the port 06.49.12 # kk 06.49.25 # did you see my post about the registry key? 06.50.02 # is that related to the checksum algorithm? or am i just taking a shot in the dark here? 06.50.58 # Saint_Jimmy_: It looks like a shot in the dark but I haven't taken a good look at it 06.51.15 # ok 06.52.07 # is there some way i could check? like use that registry value to compute the checksum? 06.53.33 Quit karim ("Ex-Chat") 06.54.17 # if it helps any 06.54.29 # the updater seems to be written in c++ 06.54.44 # as Rec Studio can open it without problem 06.55.07 # Saint_Jimmy_: I don't think that the registry value is the way to go 06.55.40 # I'll take a look at it in Rec Studio 06.56.08 # k 07.06.27 # Saint_Jimmy_: I don't think it is C++, It looks like Rec Studio decompiles it to assembly 07.06.55 # I've been going over the code in assembly, as you should see in the Rockbox forum 07.08.45 # kk 07.09.26 # so is the Rec Studio disassembly any help here at all? 07.12.26 # Yup, that code is what we have to look through right now, I've been using a different program that seems to present it a little better 07.12.39 # which one? 07.13.57 # OllyDbg, it's all in the thread 07.14.14 # k 07.14.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.15.14 # thanks for your help 07.16.13 # Saint_Jimmy_: No problem, anything to help 07.25.14 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 07.40.12 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 07.58.00 Quit Br3nda (Remote closed the connection) 08.18.15 Join grilled-cheese [0] (n=grilled-@208.180.224.158) 08.18.23 Part Saint_Jimmy_ 08.18.40 # can somebody let me know if this is possible currently? I just won a 30G video ipod in a programming contest and was wondering if there was a way to split it in half, one side for portable media (possibly using rockbox or something) and the other half a bootable sabayon linux installation 08.18.41 Join Redbreva_Away [0] (n=chatzill@host86-149-96-234.range86-149.btcentralplus.com) 08.18.45 Nick Redbreva_Away is now known as Redbreva (n=chatzill@host86-149-96-234.range86-149.btcentralplus.com) 08.23.15 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 08.23.21 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 08.45.42 Quit jhulst (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.46.55 # Is there such a linux distro available for the ipod? 08.47.24 # ipodlinux? :o 08.47.40 # referring to grilled-cheese's comment 08.48.10 # grilled cheese: that's all there really is, ipodlinux 08.48.27 # you can dual boot with loader2, but it isn't supported by Rockbox 08.48.39 # i'm not looking to try and run linux "on" the ipod, but use it more like a USB drive so i can plug it into a compy at like walmart and boot linux 08.49.01 # so place the system files and such?> 08.49.16 # you could do that I suppose 08.49.28 # but that would give that little HDD aworkout 08.50.39 # yeah 08.50.47 # i know it will 08.51.01 # but it's not intended to be used as a full time solution 08.51.02 # well, when you put rockbox on to the dac, you have the ability to go into USB mode anyways 08.51.10 # *dap 08.51.20 # but is is bootable? 08.51.36 # not sure about that, unless you had an executable somehow 08.52.22 # does the ipod use the standard usb mass storage device framework? i thought it did not 08.52.25 # I really don't know a whole lot about linux, but there are some devs who come on later who may be more informative 08.52.36 # if it did, you could, assuming the bios supported it 08.53.21 # booting over usb, that is 08.53.32 # yeah, that sounds right 08.54.24 # might be easier to boot of a CD and use the ipod for $HOME or something 08.54.34 # your ipod will last longer, too 08.57.07 # Whether you can boot off a usb hdd doesn't depend on the hdd, it depends on the bios of the pc you want to boot from it 08.57.51 # And yes, the ipod uses plain usb mass storage protocol, so no problem from that side 08.58.17 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B16638.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.07.31 # while yes, the ipod does use the standard UMS protocol, there is a need to be able to tinker with the partition table as there is no bootable partitions set in the partition table 09.09.57 # so there is a little needed at least 09.09.58 Quit ze (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.10.31 Join ze [0] (i=ze@cpe-76-175-22-254.socal.res.rr.com) 09.10.52 # but anyway, thanks for the input yall, i'll try asking again later and see what others have to say 09.11.26 # heh, for me this is just a learning experience in itself 09.11.50 # that in addition to the electric flux and other physical jargon that's preoccupying my time 09.14.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.15.11 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.17.18 Join rift1 [0] (n=opera@242.56.70-86.rev.gaoland.net) 09.21.10 # electrostatics is so taxing... 09.27.36 Quit gtkspert (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.30.49 Quit MonkeyTamer ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 09.34.08 Join bluebrother [0] (i=EFibrOHs@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 09.36.44 # has someone objections against rejecting FS#7072? 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Rejected a useless request already :P 09.44.54 Quit ze (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.50.40 Join boemie [0] (i=3ec29a4e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e6c11bd5b49af526) 09.50.58 # hi evryone 09.51.25 # * Bagder waves 09.52.22 # does anyone here have an ipod vid 30gb 5th gen? 10.01.40 # 5.5G, yes 10.05.01 # amiconn: do you think it would be safe to assume that every icon in the viewers bmp would be referenced by wther viewers.config or the .icons file? so we could use the highest icon number as an idea of how heigh the viewer icons are? 10.06.20 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3007.gwdg.de) 10.08.30 # just got me a 5.5G 30G unit today 10.14.41 Quit rift1 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.14.53 Join lini [0] (i=pugsley@62.204.144.237) 10.23.09 # grr! 10.24.38 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 10.25.39 # peepz im having lots of trouble with my ipod -.- 10.26.26 # anyon there? 10.26.33 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.27.08 # PaulJam: hey 10.27.12 # hiya 10.27.19 # hi 10.27.34 # do you rmemeber the icon bug from last week which i havnt fixed yet? 10.28.04 # boemi: Just ask your question and someone will answer it 10.28.11 # JdGordon: do you mean the bug that all musicfiles get the mp3 icon? 10.28.15 # okidoki 10.29.15 # PaulJam: that could be the one... can you elaborate? 10.29.27 # i remmeber there being an if.... 10.30.15 # my ipod video 30gb 5th gen is stuck at the loading screen and keeps rebooting the whole time with a little click when it reboots when i try to put it on my dock the only thing it sais is please wait low battery so theres nothing i can do about it because i cant get a link between my pc and my ipod -.- this happend after i installed rockbox and went through the whole manual 10.30.39 # can someone help me? 10.32.23 # do a reset (hold menu+select), then hold menu down while you boot so it goes into the OF, then connect to usb 10.32.47 # JdGordon: I'm not sure what you mean. the bug was that even if you for example set "flac:5" in the icons file and it contains the entry "mp3:4", flac files would show icon 4. 10.33.41 # ok, i tohught there was more to it :p definatly happening so ill hoopefully get it. 10.33.51 # gordon i already tried to do the reset but its just when i reset it starts automatically again and it hangs at the apple logo -.- 10.33.59 # so it just cant start 10.34.14 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-070-150.pools.arcor-ip.net) 10.34.50 # so technically it cant do anything and when i put my ipod onto the dock it just says low battery so it doesnt connect to my pc 10.34.54 # hmm... i dunno... dont have an ipod 10.34.58 # kk 10.35.02 # nvm 10.35.05 # boemie 10.35.06 # im doomed -.- 10.35.10 # yes? 10.35.11 # I've seen it on a nano 10.35.27 # i think it cannot be fixed 10.35.36 # bah, seems as if the new wps loading code doesn't like my wps. 10.35.38 # and you just have to let it cycle for a while till it builds up enough charge 10.35.59 # ok so put it onto my dock so it can recharge too?> 10.36.30 # because if i dont it just cycles until its out of battery 10.36.30 # I try and avoid letting the battery hit rock bottom 10.36.40 # ahh 10.36.40 # well mine already did -.- 10.37.04 # yes, I would let it charge first and see how it does 10.37.27 # yea but when i charge it and it has enough battery say like 5 % (guess) it goes cycling again 10.37.37 # and then when it falls back it charges up again -.- 10.38.33 Join Weiss [0] (i=taw27@pip.srcf.societies.cam.ac.uk) 10.38.48 # I don't know about that then, I've just seen it work on the nano, it can charge completely off usb though. 10.39.05 # if you can charge it independent of plugging it in it might help though 10.39.15 # oh yes that might work :D 10.39.25 # wow thanx alot man ! 10.39.30 # :P 10.39.36 # :), I mean independent of usb 10.39.39 # PaulJam: ah, bugger.... found the problem.. not really possible to fix 10.39.40 # yes yes 10.40.01 # its because all music uses the same attributes, which is what the file icon goes by 10.40.10 # a ipod charger independent from pc right? 10.40.40 # thanx alot 10.40.44 # bye bye evryone 10.41.01 # JdGordon: for me it's ok, i'm not planning to use different icons anyway. 10.41.14 Quit boemie ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 10.52.45 Join brun0_ [0] (n=brun0_@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 10.54.50 # I can see on my CPU meter when a commit has happened ;-) 10.56.59 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 10.57.23 # Bagder: and the network activity also as we all hammer build.rockbox.org :p 10.57.41 # which server dropped off which is slowing the build down? 10.58.05 # true, but I'm on "storebror" which is my home box and it is just a build server in the pool 10.58.35 # the master build log is pretty detailed and shows all that 10.59.02 # I'm preparing to make the build system capable of building the same build on more than one server 10.59.10 # and pick the fastest 11.00.30 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 11.00.51 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84.255.206.8) 11.01.43 # what about delayed upload? or still to hard to be bothered with? 11.02.18 # it'll be painful to get to work fine 11.02.28 Join moos [0] (i=moos@m135.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 11.02.38 # I mean, the builds and the transfers pretty much need to be synchronized anyway 11.02.54 # it'll turn really messy if we start a new build before the transfers are done 11.03.06 Quit kkurbjun (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.08.45 # is the network speed really such a concern? 11.08.51 # yes 11.09.01 # some of the zips take >40 seconds to transfer 11.09.42 # at times that is 11.10.53 # oh. 11.11.01 # that's quite a while 11.11.12 # indeed 11.12.58 # "copied build-recorder/rockbox.zip in 48 seconds, 20047 bytes/second" 11.13.40 # the recorder build should take far less than 48 seconds to build on most servers... 11.14.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.15.58 Quit kubiix ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 11.16.35 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 11.19.45 Join Br3nda [0] (n=brenda@121-73-1-165.cable.telstraclear.net) 11.25.50 Join ze [0] (i=ze@cpe-76-175-22-254.socal.res.rr.com) 11.33.15 Join pixelma [0] (i=54bd6659@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 11.33.56 # Bagder: 20KByte/s upstream isn't exactly fast, but quite usual for ADSL upstream 11.34.15 # yes 11.34.15 # * amiconn 's upstream isn't that much faster 11.34.33 # 45KByte/s under optimal conditions, i.e. 384kbit/s 11.34.38 # bbl 11.34.40 Quit amiconn (" Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 11.34.57 # my server is on adsl and wireless, and still is >100kbyte/sec... 11.35.03 # :-) 11.37.01 Quit Entasis (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.45.27 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54965E1A.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.50.50 Join austriancoder [0] (n=austrian@80.120.117.30) 11.54.48 Join Juice^ [0] (n=Juice@213.167.96.196) 11.57.42 Quit austriancoder ("Kopete 0.12.4 : http://kopete.kde.org") 11.58.02 Join webguest17 [0] (i=57c26a2a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c97fab766e622a51) 12.00.33 # hello 12.02.06 Quit pixelma ("bbl") 12.03.37 # hi webguest17, having problems? 12.10.29 Join Entasis [0] (n=Jarred@ppp48-102.lns11.adl2.internode.on.net) 12.11.52 # markun: is the gigabeat button lights similar to the sansas? 12.12.46 # hi - experimenting with rockbox and am looking for clues as to where to put a playlist into rockbox created with kaffiene.. 12.12.58 # JdGordon: I don't know the sansa 12.13.02 # webguest17: anywhere you like 12.13.35 # markun: the sansa has a light on the scroll wheel that turns on whenever you spin it... 12.13.44 # * JdGordon cant find pics on the gb's lights 12.14.15 # so if i put i the original ipod playlist folder rockbox will find it - m3u that is? 12.14.46 # JdGordon: the gigabeat has 3 blue leds under the side buttons. You can change the brightness in steps of 64, but two of them are connected and will have the same brightness if both are switched on. 12.14.58 Join marc [0] (n=marc@60-215.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch) 12.14.59 # in 64 steps :) 12.15.00 # webguest17: you'll browse the dirs and files to find it so yes 12.15.19 Quit iNSOMNiAX (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.16.13 # JdGordon: is that similar? 12.16.13 # markun: do they turn on when you press the button and then off again after some time? 12.16.15 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.160.35) 12.16.48 # ok i'll give it a try - thanks - only installed yesterday and am still stumbling around..... 12.16.50 # markun: the sansa just has 3 leds under a pice of plastic, they are ether on or off... but im more interesetd in the behaviour.. 12.16.52 # JdGordon: we could do that yes, but you control them in software so you can do anything you want 12.17.15 # webguest17, the playlist entries need to be absolute (to the device's root folder) or relative. 12.17.22 # That's all that might be limitating ;-) 12.17.55 # and playlists encoded with utf8 are m3u8 while m3u will be assumed to have the codepage you selected 12.17.57 # markun: ok cool, ill try doing this in a generic way so you dont need to do much to get it working if you want 12.18.24 # JdGordon: don't fuck it up.. :) 12.24.11 # why does the backlight code need a thread if its got a tick task? 12.24.28 Quit marc| (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.26.07 # * barrywardell wonders what JdGordon is doing 12.26.18 # 7067 12.27.20 # ah 12.27.44 # BINGO!! trial playlist shows in "playlists" and plays.... thanks again 12.29.02 # you could make the led lights on the sansa pulse from the music eq.. :) would be fun 12.30.25 # Juice^: I had it set as the disk activity light once when i was debugging... looked great... :D 12.30.40 # JdGordon: haha.. cool :) 12.31.03 # i'd love to see that in action 12.33.38 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@p54bd6576.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.33.51 # JdGordon: didn't it flash alot then? 12.34.47 # yes.. flahsed like mad for the first 30sec or so.. then quiet untill playback, but the flashing was cool :p 12.34.50 Join freqmod [0] (n=freqmod@93.80-203-96.nextgentel.com) 12.35.26 # guess its quite a waste of battery time :D 12.35.27 # i want an extra led on my ipod too.... 12.36.26 # Bagder: The slowish uploads from some servers would be less of a problem with an asynchronous upload queue 12.36.26 Quit webguest17 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 12.36.41 # not really 12.36.50 # Maybe this would pay off more than speculative builds... 12.36.52 # only if they would be asynch over build rounds 12.37.14 # Right now the servers build - upload - build - upload 12.37.19 # rsync should be used to transfer the zip file.. 12.37.46 # So a fast server on a slowish connection isn't used to its full potential 12.38.24 # I'm not saying each build should have its own upload thread, that might easily become a real mess 12.38.48 # but the only gain we get is that the table could be updated faster 12.38.56 # as I would still want all transfers done before next round 12.38.59 # But what about an upload queue? 12.39.11 # No, I think it would be an overall gain 12.39.22 # ah, I get it 12.39.36 # yes, we could upload while the next build is in progress 12.39.43 # Yes, transfers should be finished before the next round, but this way the servers are kept busy and the slowish upstream is also kept busy 12.39.44 # on that server I mean 12.39.57 # basically having a transfer thread for each server 12.40.01 # yup 12.40.11 # replacing the scp command with rsync command should give very noticeable gain 12.40.26 # if another build is going already, why do we need the zip? 12.40.29 # we'd of course have to rsync over ssh then 12.40.44 # that might work even better if the zip is not compressed (or zipped) at all 12.40.49 # JdGordon: I won't go into such a mess 12.41.01 # rsync uses ssh by default 12.41.16 # JdGordon: each build round is "stand-alone" 12.41.27 # Slasheri: ? no it doesn't 12.41.30 # but it can 12.41.39 Join mr_pink [0] (n=chatzill@pjrh2.caths.cam.ac.uk) 12.41.45 # Bagder: at least it does on every linux distro i have used it 12.41.54 # if you tell it to, sure 12.41.57 # -e ssh can be used as parameter if necessary 12.42.13 # Bagder: Another improvement for build.rockbox.org (not related to build speed this time) woul dbe if it keeps the old zips available for download until the new round is finished 12.42.15 # but i have only needed that on old solaris platforms 12.42.25 # rsync uses its own protocol and port number if you use rsync:// 12.42.42 # yes, if you sync with daemon 12.43.00 # all I say is that you need to tell it what to do 12.43.04 # but just copying files over two machines, it goes through ssh 12.43.29 # Perhaps the download page should be separate from the build tables as well. It's not very intuitive for plain users 12.43.31 # assuming rsync is installed on both machines, the same syntax works as for scp 12.43.43 # but more parameters can be used if necessary 12.43.50 # amiconn: yes it really should 12.44.45 # and I'm still doubtful about the benefits of using rsync for new files 12.45.32 # * amiconn 's linux box has no rsync installed 12.45.38 # i think the fastest way to do it would be recursively rsync the whole build directory before generating the zip file (however, then server would generate it and that takes some time too) 12.46.09 # for completely new files, it does not improve speed if the file is already compressed 12.46.26 # Slasheri: I doubt that. Why would transferring a whole bunch of uncompressed files be faster than transferring one compressed file? 12.46.30 # (-z parameter does compression on fly when syncing) 12.46.32 # "rsync the whole build directory" from where to where? 12.46.50 # amiconn: because it compresses on the fly and transfers only differences found 12.47.08 # and the build dir should be empty when it starts to build ;-) 12.47.13 Quit Br3nda ("Denny Crane!") 12.47.16 # On the fly compression isn't as efficient as offline compression 12.47.42 # amiconn: yeah, but we are transferring only the diff compressed 12.48.00 # it's way more efficient than transferring the whole compressed zip file 12.48.08 # The build dirs are completely regenerated every build, so the diff would be the whole dir 12.48.35 # i doubt you got the idea how rsync works 12.48.59 # rsync does binary diffs and sends them 12.49.01 # it uses checksums, timestamps and so on to generate the diff on the fly 12.49.47 # I never used rsync itself, but I know the concept from several similar tools/programs 12.50.19 # Taking the remote diff is certainly some overhead, especially since all timestamps change from build to build 12.50.35 Join entheh [0] (n=purr@88-106-133-223.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 12.50.46 # And the same build servers aren't guaranteed to build the same targets every time 12.51.17 # different timestamps do some overhead indeed 12.51.30 # but why would it matter which build server are generating the build? 12.51.53 # Do you want to rsync all build dirs across all build servers? 12.51.55 # Bagder: are the svn builds actaully stored once the next build is started? 12.52.13 # amiconn: why would that be necessary? 12.52.17 # * JdGordon mentions bittorrent for the build zips 12.53.48 # Slasheri: If you sync e.g. the H100 build with one build server, the master would have its copy in that state. Now, what happens if the H100 is built on another build server next time? 12.54.10 # that doesn't matter at all 12.54.28 # I don't think so. 12.54.34 # setup a dedicated tracker for svn builds, then seed all builds from *.rockbox.org and have the build servers sedd the builds they do... no one needs to keep track of who is uploading what... 12.54.37 Quit freqmod (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.54.46 # rsync does exactly same thing as scp, but in much more powerfull and intelligent way 12.54.53 Join freqmod [0] (n=freqmod@93.80-203-96.nextgentel.com) 12.55.17 Join barrywardell_ [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.168.17) 12.57.31 # Bagder: what do you think? all thats needed is a tracker that offers rss feeds of new torrents so the main server can grab them.. and then instead of needing the .zip to make the tables, only upload rockbox-info.txt and the build log for each build? 12.58.05 # Slasheri: If you'd do this, rsync would sync many files unnecessarily because of subtle differences 12.58.26 # There are many things in the build dir which don't end up in the zip 12.58.36 # amiconn: rsync would sync the differences it finds, not whole files 12.58.48 # Yes, but it would find lots of differences 12.59.03 # ok, that could be true 12.59.31 # but telling rsync to check only interesting files could actually work better 13.02.04 Quit barrywardell (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 13.02.38 # JdGordon: I don't believe in that 13.02.51 # build servers come and go 13.02.56 # and they should be allowed to 13.03.34 # ok... so? 13.03.47 # so we need to get the zips to the master after each build 13.04.04 # the main rockbox server would seed them all so the build servers could vanish if they wanted to 13.04.29 # that would also force all servers to offer torrents 13.04.38 # which I wouldn't want them to have to 13.05.02 # hmm... fair point 13.06.04 # I'm off, back tonight 13.10.19 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.168.17) 13.10.50 Quit Redbreva ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 13.14.41 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.15.07 # JdGordon: around? 13.15.21 Join |metan| [0] (i=metan@78-0-103-44.adsl.net.t-com.hr) 13.15.28 # amiconn: I are 13.16.18 # Could you give me some hints regarding the menu system, root menu and end of playlist? 13.16.44 # The problem that hwcodec always jumps back to root at end of list is still there... 13.16.48 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 13.16.49 Join pixelma [0] (n=Marianne@p54BD6576.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.17.06 # Also, there is a problem regarding the wps context menu on Ondio 13.17.06 # bittorrent for svn builds will only cause trouble as the file gets replaced quite often 13.17.09 Part |metan| 13.17.36 # bittorrent might be an idea for e.g. the video downloads 13.17.37 # Since there is no direct access to the main menu from wps, pressing the menu combo again in the context menu should call the main menu 13.17.57 # But for some reason you end up in the sound settings menu rather than the top level... 13.18.09 # amiconn: the hwcodec problem is almost definatly in wps_show() which has (iirc) one "return GO_TO_ROOT;" line 13.18.42 # gwps_show() possibly... 13.19.12 # blueborther: wasn't the 'video torrent' idea already tried- and failed? 13.19.14 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul) 13.19.17 # bluebrother: why would constant new builds cause a problem for BT? the newest torrent would always be linked to 13.19.51 # because users will run into trouble when downloading a build that vanishes. 13.20.14 Quit barrywardell_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.20.15 # you can't guarantee that the file will be present within the next couple of seconds / minutes. Not a problem for http 13.21.03 # the idea is though, that it wont vanish.... the main server would seed the most recent 10 builds (for example) 13.21.22 # additionally, an average user wouldn't install bittorrent just to get the most recent build 13.21.43 # i was just wondering, would it be bossible to somehow lock the currently playing playlist, so it can't be overwritten? i have updated the root.m3u8 while it was playing and this seems to have messed up playback in the simulator (the wps shows the wrong track) 13.22.08 # PaulJam, you can enable "warn on erasing dynamic playlist" 13.22.13 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 13.22.21 # but I don't think there is any locking mechanism. 13.23.14 # JdGordon: Hmmmmmmm... the last line in gui_wps_show() should indeed be unreachable. But there are two places with suspicious return values: gwps.c line 133 and 656 13.23.35 # The latter returns GO_TO_ROOT, the former returns 0 (why just a plain 0 ???) 13.24.06 # no idea.. but 0 is GO_TO_BROWSER... 13.24.14 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 13.25.24 # amiconn: try changing both of them to GO_TO_PREVIOUS? 13.26.00 # If 0 is GO_TO_BROWSER that one can't be the reason. But it's still fishy... 13.27.26 # What's the difference between GO_TO_PREVIOUS_BROWSER and GO_TO_PREVIOUS? 13.28.13 # previous_browser is tree or db.. previous is any screen 13.29.35 Join ColdSphinX^ [0] (n=sphinx@p213.54.164.245.tisdip.tiscali.de) 13.32.47 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-070-150.pools.arcor-ip.net) 13.33.33 # JdGordon: I am wondering about lines 642..644. What does this do? 13.35.35 # follow playlist setting 13.36.26 # AH, hmmmm 13.37.07 # The GO_TO_ROOT in line 658 is obviously reached when gui_wps_display() returns true (which is the case at end of list) 13.37.10 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 13.37.36 # I think we do want the follow playlist feature work correctly in that case, which means we'd need a similar mechanism there 13.38.36 # I think moving the whole if (restore && ...) {...} block in front of the if (exit ) { ... } block and just setting exit = true should do it. What do you think? 13.39.11 # I dunno... if it works go for it 13.39.21 # I'll check it 13.40.39 Join pit [0] (n=pit@BAA36a9.baa.pppool.de) 13.45.34 # Nico_P: i was wondering, would it be possible to show a splash with the linenumber and maybe the column where the wps pharsing failed? or do you think that is unnecessary. 13.46.44 # PaulJam: actually I was considering it 13.47.06 # PaulJam: but some said it was unnecessary... I think it would help the users 13.48.07 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@rockbox/administrator/Llorean) 13.49.11 Join fm2 [0] (i=95e13c13@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2f0c4805223c18d3) 13.49.30 Join kubiixaka [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 13.50.18 # displaying a "broken wps" splash is completely sufficient imo 13.50.46 # Nico_P: Why not just stop at the point of error, and display the partial wps? Or would that add unnecessary comlication? 13.51.15 # markun: have you had a chance to look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7058 ? 13.53.09 # amiconn: that would be very confusing IMO. Even for experienced users. 13.53.45 # amiconn: it's doable but then I would need to close open conditionals... that's what people didn't seem to want 13.54.28 # fm2: Of course I mean including an error msg 13.55.22 # amiconn: but then you'll have a non working WPS. IMP it's better to display a message and switch to a working (=default = compiled in) WPS 13.55.51 # Yeah, but the user has no hint where the error is 13.56.18 # And adding a line/column output sounds like unnecessary extra effort 13.57.01 # amiconn: if the user didn't do the WPS himself he will have no clue how to fix it anaway. And if he did he'll use sim or other means. 13.57.26 # What kind of errors can stop a WPS right now? 13.57.29 # why not add line / column output for sim builds only? Maybe only as DEBUGF output? 13.57.45 # I mean, are there errors besides unclosed conditionals/tags? 13.58.56 # Llorean: wrong format for image loading tag? 13.59.23 # Llorean: conditional chars when there is no open conditional 13.59.27 # JdGordon: 'follow playlist' is broken anyway 13.59.32 # i.e. | or > 13.59.43 # amiconn: it is? 14.00.05 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 14.00.52 # Llorean: yes for example if you try to use the backdrop tag on mono screens (that's what I did once with the old system and it wasn't funny...) 14.01.37 # Nico_P, amiconn: Maybe just have it splash depending on type of errror: "Unclosed Conditional" "Out of place > or |" and "Incompatible tag: %X" or something? 14.01.40 # JdGordon: If follow playlist is enabled, exiting from wps (regardless of whether it's by stopping playback, end of playlist or calling the browser explicitly) should _always_ bring you to the currently playing track. Instead, you end up where you last left off browsing 14.02.10 # amiconn: End of playlist means there is no currently playing track. 14.02.30 # Llorean: Then it should be (and usually was) the last playing track 14.02.57 # amiconn: I do agree. 14.03.16 # Except for one thing: I don't like the idea that entering the file browser from the menu should follow playlist. 14.03.43 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 14.03.47 # If you go directly from WPS->Filetree in any way, I think it should follow the playlist, but Menu->Filetree should go to where you last saw in the filetree. 14.03.54 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54965E1A.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.04.05 # Otherwise you could be in the filetree, hit menu, the track changes, go back to the filetree without ever seeing the WPS, and be in a completely different location. 14.04.14 Quit fm2 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 14.04.15 # That's the purpose of 'follow playlist'. That's why it's an optio 14.04.17 # n 14.04.38 # Llorean: Nope, only the wps would do that 14.04.46 # amiconn: Only the WPS would do what? 14.05.01 # The wps would set te currently playing track as the filetree location 14.05.06 # Ah 14.05.11 # So it would only happen if you saw the WPS in between? 14.05.38 # And if you're in the menus somewhere , wps isn't running so it can't change the filetree location 14.05.41 # yup 14.05.43 # Okay, that's fine then 14.05.58 # I thought when you said "Browser is explicitly called" that you wanted a check on calling the browser. 14.06.09 # I have no complaints, then. :) 14.06.36 # I started with ..exiting from wps.. (regardless of the way) 14.06.40 Quit kubiix (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.07.03 # amiconn: Somehow I missed that. I apologize. 14.11.06 Join Lynx [0] (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 14.11.17 # barrywardell: Reds 14.12.21 # bluebrother: do you have an idea why latex complains about "! LaTeX Error: File `scrreprt.cls' not found." while it is there (also worked before) and how to fix this? 14.12.43 # Aaaand, it seems kermit is trying to make m68k builds when it can't. 14.13.24 Join austriancoder [0] (n=austrian@80.120.117.30) 14.13.43 # pixelma, that file is part of Koma-Script -- did you change anything at your latex setup? 14.14.16 # bluebrother: it's not mine and afaik nothing was changed there 14.14.22 # running texhash might help. Not exactly sure though 14.14.45 # hmm, then maybe Koma-Script isn't installed? 14.15.09 # in my install it's located in /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/koma-script/scrreprt.cls 14.15.18 # the file is there... and the setup worked before 14.15.24 Quit barrywardell () 14.15.29 # hmm. That is quite strange. 14.16.24 # have you tried building a small test document? 14.18.20 # I only have tex-files from the rockbox menu 14.18.27 # err.... manual 14.19.05 # try this one: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/test.tex 14.19.27 # and run "pdflatex test.tex". Should give you a test.pdf with only the words "hello world" 14.19.53 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@p549AF2EA.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.19.55 # The file is in /usr/share/texmf-tetex/tex/latex/koma-script/scrreprt.cls here 14.21.51 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 14.21.56 # you might also want to check for the environment variable TEXINPUTS 14.22.12 # which should be unset usually 14.22.13 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.168.17) 14.22.16 # Bah. Seems line 621 is hitting on hwcodec 14.23.25 # dan_a: I have a little question for you. I thought about to make use of an isr in sansas adc code, But I dont know if what i need to do configure it. I want to get the isr called, when i2c traffic is done 14.23.27 # bluebrother: the test.tex gives the same result 14.23.47 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 14.24.24 # austriancoder: the code you're looking for is in the firmware/target/arm/system-pp502x.c file 14.24.29 # you can workaround it if you replace the scrreprt in the documentclass line in preamble.tex by report 14.24.38 # you need to change irq() 14.24.38 # but that is not a fix ;-) 14.24.45 # barrywardell: apart from the user interface part... ive got configurable light handling working.. do you want to look at the patch? or can I just commit once the ui part is done? 14.24.50 # if I skip the first error messages it complains about even more "files not font" 14.24.51 # as it will affect the whole document style 14.25.00 # *found oviously 14.25.07 # barrywardell: ahh okay.. will look at it 14.25.21 # grr.... obviously obviously ;) 14.25.23 # if you build the test file with documentclass report, does that work? 14.25.53 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 14.26.57 # sorry... that's beyond me 14.27.12 # JdGordon: i'd say just go ahead and commit it 14.27.56 # bluebrother: how would I do this? (stoopid newbie questions...) 14.29.03 # hmmm. That M5 boot error wasn't me. No m68k-elf-gcc. Bagder? 14.29.26 Quit Lynx_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.29.26 Nick Lynx is now known as Lynx_ (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 14.30.10 # try this one: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/test-report.tex 14.31.15 # thanks for the help :) 14.32.38 # how do i add a string for only the sansa in english.lang? 14.34.01 # bluebrother: now it says "report.cls not found" ... :/ 14.35.07 # Then your latex setup is messed up pretty much :( 14.35.15 Part TrueJournals 14.36.05 # ...and it was the only setup that allowed me building the html-manual so far... :( 14.36.44 # what does "echo $TEXINPUTS" tell? 14.39.21 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc4-brig8-0-0-cust871.brig.cable.ntl.com) 14.39.59 # it just gives an empty line 14.40.10 # hmm. That should be fine. 14.40.26 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 14.40.50 # try running "texhash" 14.44.06 # nothing's changed :/ 14.45.16 Quit lachlan ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 14.45.58 # does anybody know what needs to be done to fix the warning for H10/4G? 14.46.53 # did you run it as root or as user? 14.47.05 # barrywardell: okay.. so after a fast look at the interrupt stuff... if i do it in system-xxxx i can only react on interrupts by the arm cpu, but i want a way to look at an interrupt generated by the as3514. 14.47.06 # running as user will most likely not change anything 14.47.21 # * bluebrother is afk for a couple of minutes 14.48.00 # who knows the lang files? how would i add a new string for only the sansa? 14.48.12 # do I use NONE for the for *: ? 14.48.47 # 14.48.47 # id: LANG_CONFIRM_WITH_PLAY_RECORDER 14.48.47 # desc: Generic recorder string to use to confirm 14.48.47 DBUG Enqueued KICK ColdSphinX^ 14.48.47 # user: 14.48.47 # 14.48.48 *** Alert Mode level 1 14.48.48 # *: "PLAY = Yes" 14.48.50 # h100,h120,h300: "NAVI = Yes" 14.48.52 # ipod*: "SELECT = Yes" 14.48.54 # x5: "SELECT = Yes" 14.48.56 # h10: "NEXT = Yes" 14.48.58 # gigabeat: "SELECT = Yes" 14.49.00 # e200: "SELECT = Yes" 14.49.02 # 14.49.04 # 14.49.06 # *: "PLAY = Yes" 14.49.07 # ColdSphinX^: Please follow channel guidelines. 14.49.08 # h100,h120,h300: "NAVI = Yes" 14.49.10 # ipod*: "SELECT = Yes" 14.49.12 # x5: "SELECT = Yes" 14.49.14 # h10: "NEXT = Yes" 14.49.16 # gigabeat: "SELECT = Yes" 14.49.18 # ColdSphinX^: yes I know... but im asking about none? 14.49.18 # e200: "SELECT = Yes" 14.49.20 # 14.49.22 # 14.49.24 # *: "" 14.49.26 # 14.49.28 # 14.49.30 # that's the way 14.49.34 # bluebrother: it was run as root... thanks for taking your time 14.49.39 Mode "#rockbox +o amiconn " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 14.49.47 # moment 14.49.51 # ColdSphinX^: The guidelines clearly state that you shouldn't paste multi-line pastes into the channle 14.50.50 # austriancoder: that is the only way we have of dealing with interrupts. if it doesn't interrupt the cpu then how does the cpu know the interrupt has happened? 14.51.20 # in rockbox, it's possible to configure battery capacity in the settings 14.51.31 # barrywardell: ineeded.. i will see if the i2c interrupt does work 14.51.36 # my value is currently 950mAh (default). what would be the right value for an iaudio x5? 14.51.43 # JdGordon see msg 14.51.53 Join tymm [0] (n=tymm@p3ee3f03d.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.52.09 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.215.2) 14.52.48 # dawn my x5 has a 950mAh battery 14.53.10 # austriancoder: yes. you should probably check for an I2C interrupt in irq(), then if it is I2C run a function to check if it was the as3514's ADC 14.53.12 # ah, ok 14.53.26 # ColdSphinX^: what's your experience about the battery lifetime? 14.53.49 # hi, i reseted my ipod (with rockbox on it) and now i cant see my mp3s anymore, whats wrong? 14.54.54 # barrywardell: got a better place to put the wheel light setting than under display? 14.55.09 # hmm it's in the third year so i think of looking for an replacement becaue the lifetime decreases 14.55.16 Mode "#rockbox -o amiconn " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 14.56.01 # ColdSphinX^: well, with lifetime I rather meant playing time ... 14.56.06 # tymm is the database initialised or are you using filewiev? 14.56.42 # JdGordon: Either display or system. Might be good to keep it with the other backlight settings, I'm not sure 14.56.52 # ColdSphinX^: im using fileview, how can i initialise the database? 14.57.00 # dawn: currently about 5h it's a old battery as i said 14.57.09 # Llorean: what do you think? 14.57.14 # ColdSphinX^: ah, ok, that sounds quite nice 14.57.31 # JdGordon: "System", the one under General Settings 14.57.38 # JdGordon: Where the RTC option is. 14.58.07 # its a bit hidden there isnt it? 14.58.23 # Well it's definitely not a display setting 14.58.34 # At least, does it have anything to do with the screen? 14.58.49 *** Alert Mode OFF 14.58.57 # It's kinda "misc hardware" 14.59.02 # true 14.59.57 # It seems right to me at least, until a menu reorganize happens, which I keep being too sidetracked to get around to working on a suggestion for 15.00.05 Part tymm ("Konversation terminated!") 15.00.16 # :) 15.00.26 # at least now, if that ever happens, it wont be so hard to do 15.01.05 # Indeed 15.01.23 # tymm if you use filewiev you don't need to initialise the database, but its in "settings -> general settings -> database -> initialize now" 15.01.40 # arg he leaved 15.03.33 Quit Entasis (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.05.45 # barrywardell: how can i check if as3514's ADC is the source of the i2c interupt? 15.06.56 # pixelma: sorry, no ideas left to try :( 15.10.23 Quit Domonoky (Remote closed the connection) 15.10.52 # JdGordon: I found the reason why the wps context menu misbehaves on Ondio: The menu wrapper doesn't obey the callback given on menu_init() 15.11.11 # pitty... :( but I really apreciate your help 15.11.21 # amiconn: ok, easy fix? 15.13.23 # I have no idea how to fix it :( 15.14.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.15.09 # JdGordon: do you really think it's necessary to have a setting for the sansa wheel light timeout? seems like it'd be plenty appropriate to just have it correspond to the backlight timeout. 15.15.40 # midkay: Some of us would like it shorter (or never) 15.16.15 # But it can also serve as a disk access LED I imagine. 15.16.24 # Llorean: hmm.. i see.. 15.16.28 # midkay: well, linus changed the request to critical.. and i was bored and it was easy to do :p 15.16.52 # JdGordon: btw, not sure if you noticed the build table.. or if it's related to your commit.. 15.16.54 # :) 15.16.54 # JdGordon: I'm pretty sure the request became critical because he forgot to not make it critical after changing the other thing 15.16.59 # ;) 15.17.01 # yes, i guess you did. :) 15.17.10 # Llorean: ah, haha :) 15.17.14 # But I think being able to configure it separately would be nice. 15.17.21 # midkay: yeah, I did, was making sure it all worked before commitnig 15.17.22 # Kinda like the Gigabeat button LEDs. 15.17.29 # If those would just work without blitzing the screen. 15.17.46 # hopefully the gb buttons should be able to use mostly the same backlight code... 15.18.14 # They have two brightness levels it seems (or at least two) 15.18.34 # But their current option has "dim" as being just one setting, rather than having the option "Bright/Dim" and then a separate option for when they turn on. 15.19.15 # hmm. Flyspray shouldn't use "critical" as default when editing tasks that have no priority set 15.19.19 # I had a quick look at the backlight code for the gigabeat and almost cried... its scary :p 15.20.04 # bluebrother: Agreed 15.20.28 # JdGordon: *you* getting scared? ;-) 15.20.41 # JdGordon: menu_init() can specify a callback, which is used in onplay.c line 1052 for the context menu. menu.c: menu_init() properly stores this in the menu structure, but I can't find from where this is or should be called from menu_show() (which in turn calls do_menu()) 15.20.46 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 15.20.46 # * JdGordon is only human.... well.. mostly human anyway 15.21.03 # * bluebrother was already wondering about that :P 15.21.54 # menu_init() for the old api your talking about? 15.22.00 # This callback can be (and in case of onplay, is) used to mangle actions, which just doesn't happen here, being the reason for the misbehaviour 15.22.16 # Yes, as onplay is still using the old api 15.22.59 # ah, ok... I'll see where that should go 15.23.30 # its called in oldmenuwrapper_callback 15.24.08 # Is it? But from where is this wrapper called? 15.24.28 Part austriancoder ("Kopete 0.12.4 : http://kopete.kde.org") 15.24.31 # * amiconn thinks it might be helpful to convert all menus to the new system and get rid of the wrapper stuff 15.24.49 # not so easy.. all the plugins use the old api 15.25.05 # and...? 15.25.23 # and we decided the new api doesnt do dynamic menus as well as the old one.. unfortunatly :( but yeah, these dont really stop us... 15.25.29 # The wrapper could be put in the plugin lib temporarily... 15.25.36 # It doesn't? 15.25.37 # true 15.26.06 # I've tried converting onplay.c twice and gave up both times... cant quite get it as nice as it is 15.27.03 # but anyway... oldmenuwrapper_callback is called every time a button is pressed in do_menu 15.27.38 Quit Jon-Kha (Remote closed the connection) 15.32.09 Join Farp [0] (i=Farp@60.49.127.185) 15.32.11 # Odd... why doesn't it work then? 15.33.50 # the callback is definatly being called... 15.33.55 # just checked in the sim 15.34.44 Join Jon-Kha [0] (n=Jon-Kha@a91-152-87-243.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 15.45.12 # JdGordon: Do you know whether this callback is used elsewhere? 15.45.30 # If not, a fix is rather simple, and would even save a little bit of code... 15.46.50 # Hmm, greping for menu_init should tell me... 15.49.14 # I dont think it is.... but we shouldnt go breaking the api for plugins.... 15.49.28 Part pixelma 15.50.01 # It won't break, it's just the extra replacement in oldmenuwrapper_callback that could go. The actual callback then needs to return the correct action 15.50.10 # I am checking plugins as well of course 15.53.48 # what would the fix be if we can remove this callback? 15.54.15 # Not remove the callback... but simplify its behaviour, and adapt the actual callback in onplay.c a bit 15.55.17 # I dont fully get the problem? pressing menu inside the onplay menu doesnt go to where it should? (which is where?) 15.55.44 # The callback is called... but the new menucode doesn't react properly 15.56.02 # It doesn't help if exit_to_main is set but the menu itself doesn't exit 15.56.40 Join webguest63 [0] (i=0cce2264@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3aa644686967dfb2) 15.56.42 # returning MENU_SELECTED_EXIT doesnt work? 15.57.14 # GO_TO_PREVIOUS actually... 15.57.40 # no, umm... ignore that 15.58.03 # hey 15.58.09 # hey 15.58.13 # The switch() in menu.c: oldmenuwrapper_callback can be removed entirely 15.58.44 # anybody 15.58.47 Quit webguest63 (Client Quit) 15.58.49 # onplay.c: onplay_callback() then needs to return ACTION_EXIT_MENUITEM in case we want to exit, _and_ set exit_to_main 15.58.57 Join webguest63 [0] (i=0cce2264@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-81fa15f7d026de8a) 15.59.18 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.59.22 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF62A2.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.00.11 Quit webguest63 (Client Quit) 16.00.50 # amiconn: we could do that... but then your mergning the 2 api's which isnt such a good idea... but if nothing else uses the callback then I guess its ok 16.01.04 # Yes, nothing else uses the callback 16.01.32 Quit ColdSphinX^ ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 16.01.52 # But it doesn't work... 16.02.32 # is this only a ondio problem? or all targets? 16.03.57 # hmm... seems its all targets... very odd behavour on the sansa 16.04.17 # It's only a *real* problem on Ondio because there is no alternative to enter the main menu from wps, but the (wrong) behaviour exists on all targets 16.04.19 # pressing menu seems to accept the item! 16.04.24 # yes 16.04.37 # And with my change it doesn't do that but doesn't exit either 16.06.00 # I could make it return ACTION_STD_CANCEL instead... 16.07.34 # seems to work 16.07.37 # That works :) 16.07.38 # not the nicest solution though 16.09.30 # bah, go for it... better than it being completly broken 16.11.33 # if ((menu->flags&MENU_TYPE_MASK) == MT_OLD_MENU) is failing... 16.13.15 # hmm... no its not! 16.13.45 Join elinenbe [0] (n=elinenbe@207-237-224-214.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 16.13.49 # hello. 16.14.53 # amiconn: I tihnk I found the bug :p 16.15.09 # menu.c:757 seems to be the wrong way around 16.15.15 # Do the button LCDs work on the gigabeat? I am running the latest code, but don't see a setting anywere. 16.15.36 # elinenbe: in the debug menu apparently 16.15.51 # amiconn: yeah, should be >= 0 not < 0 16.15.54 # elinenbe: They work, but not always consistently 16.16.13 # Sometimes when you turn them on, the LCD backlight will go off, until you shutdown and restart. 16.19.39 # amiconn: you've run off? 16.22.41 Join Farpnut [0] (i=Farp@218.111.175.56) 16.22.46 Quit PaulJam (".") 16.25.14 # amiconn: ok, well that was a real bug, so I commited the fix.. it should fix your ondio bug also.... 16.25.15 Quit Farpnut (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.25.32 Join Farpnut [0] (i=Farp@218.111.172.99) 16.31.23 Quit Farp (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 16.31.37 Join Farp [0] (i=Farp@218.111.173.187) 16.37.10 Quit Farpnut (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 16.37.31 Join Farpnut [0] (i=Farp@218.111.173.219) 16.41.05 Join PaulJam [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3130.gwdg.de) 16.41.10 Quit barrywardell () 16.41.35 Quit JdGordon (Remote closed the connection) 16.50.23 Join yuriks [0] (n=yuriks@201-35-189-140.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) 16.50.36 # Hey, any way to get more blingbling menu's in the nano version? 16.51.09 Quit pit ("Verlassend") 16.51.57 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007040314]") 16.53.15 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 16.54.32 Quit Farp (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.54.45 # and the menu icons are always black (don't change with the fg color), is that normal behaviour? or a bug? 16.55.20 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host162-218-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 16.59.58 # thanks guys. 17.00.27 Join iNSOMNiAX [0] (n=iNSOMNiA@216-165-236-53.championbroadband.com) 17.08.29 Join Topy44 [0] (n=Topy44@xdsl-84-44-217-201.netcologne.de) 17.11.53 Join jmsbwtr_ [0] (n=james@ACD8A1B3.ipt.aol.com) 17.14.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.14.46 Quit Feral_Kid (Remote closed the connection) 17.16.47 # amiconn: any idea how I can prevent the rockbox sscanf from getting used when it's not supposed to in the sim ? 17.17.01 Quit Topy (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 17.19.36 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.168.17) 17.20.34 Quit Juice^ ("Leaving") 17.20.45 Join Juice^ [0] (n=Juice@213.167.96.196) 17.22.16 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 17.24.30 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host162-218-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 17.25.47 Quit barrywardell () 17.29.23 Quit brun0_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.34.53 Join JazzBone [0] (n=JazzBone@cc829402-a.groni1.gr.home.nl) 17.35.08 Quit JazzBone (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.35.46 Join JazzBone [0] (n=JazzBone@cc829402-a.groni1.gr.home.nl) 17.36.39 Join pixelma [0] (n=Marianne@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 17.38.50 Quit freqmod (Connection timed out) 17.41.28 Join Redbreva [0] (n=chatzill@host86-149-96-234.range86-149.btcentralplus.com) 17.50.49 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 17.50.52 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp241-121.adsl.forthnet.gr) 17.59.05 Join chrisjs169 [0] (n=jack@unaffiliated/chrisjs169) 18.05.43 Quit PaulJam (".") 18.06.26 Quit preglow (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18.06.26 NSplit kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 18.06.55 NHeal kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 18.06.55 NJoin preglow [0] (n=thomjoha@hekta.edt.aft.hist.no) 18.07.54 Quit Jon-Kha ("leaving") 18.08.08 Join Jon-Kha [0] (n=Jon-Kha@a91-152-87-243.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 18.13.24 Join xlogik [0] (n=chatzill@c-24-60-210-195.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 18.16.29 Join chrisjs169|brb [0] (n=jack@pool-71-254-193-70.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) 18.17.55 Quit chrisjs169 (Nick collision from services.) 18.18.19 Nick chrisjs169|brb is now known as chrisjs169 (n=jack@pool-71-254-193-70.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) 18.19.24 Join kkurbjun [0] (n=kkurbjun@c-71-56-227-141.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 18.21.03 Join freqmod [0] (n=freqmod@93.80-203-96.nextgentel.com) 18.26.22 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 18.28.41 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.32.44 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 18.34.20 Quit SaLoMoN (Excess Flood) 18.34.32 Join SaLoMoN [0] (n=SaLo@xglusers.de) 18.34.33 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 18.34.35 Join ceaser [0] (n=ceaser@cpe-65-189-162-40.columbus.res.rr.com) 18.35.01 Quit SaLoMoN (Excess Flood) 18.35.48 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54967B1C.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.38.32 Join SaLoMoN [0] (n=SaLo@xglusers.de) 18.46.41 Quit chrisjs169 (Remote closed the connection) 18.46.44 Join NET||abuse [0] (n=lab@86.41.10.76) 18.47.16 # hi guys,, i tried to update my database there and now it keeps rebooting.. can i wipe a db file to get it to re-initialize the databse? 18.47.24 # or some other fix? 18.49.42 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-070-150.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.49.59 # does rockbox support avi playback? 18.50.05 # no 18.50.07 Quit Jon-Kha ("leaving") 18.50.12 # .mp4 then? 18.50.17 Join Jon-Kha [0] (n=Jon-Kha@a91-152-87-243.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 18.50.21 # (and avi would be too vague anyway, since that's just a container, not a codec) 18.50.28 # datachild: see the wiki mpegplayer page 18.50.43 # url? 18.51.08 Nick dionoea is now known as lanfeust (n=dionoea@poy.chewa.net) 18.51.49 Nick lanfeust is now known as JediKnight (n=dionoea@poy.chewa.net) 18.52.05 Quit kubiixaka (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.52.46 Nick JediKnight is now known as dionoea (n=dionoea@poy.chewa.net) 18.53.06 # datachild: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer 18.54.28 Quit freqmod (Success) 18.54.39 # hmm, what wps's can i use on the mini? just had to do a scandisk of my ipod, was borked 18.54.39 # :( 18.56.07 # so you can play .mpeg but not .avi? 18.56.26 # you can play mpeg2 video with mp3 audio in mpeg ps yes 18.56.31 # you can't play anything else 18.56.44 Quit ompaul (Nick collision from services.) 18.56.44 # If you have a video ipod, you should use the apple firmware for video playback 18.57.10 Quit JazzBone (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.57.26 # (rockbox doesn't know how to use the video decoding chip on video ipods yet ... so it's using the normal cpu to decode it) 18.58.12 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul) 19.01.03 # dionoea: really? when will "vpu" support be added? is there an agenda for it? 19.01.17 # it won't be added 19.01.23 # because no one know how it works 19.01.29 # oh? propriatary :) 19.01.36 # (well i'm not part of the core developers but that's what i understood) 19.01.38 # NET||abuse: yes 19.01.40 # would be nice if apple would open up a bit ;) 19.01.50 # It's not apple, it's broadcom or something like that 19.01.56 # really.. hmm 19.02.04 # well, it's not like you can't backward engineer such things :) 19.02.15 # they did it with bcm wifi :) 19.02.34 # it's not like it's easy either 19.02.55 # heheh, that's also true 19.03.13 # right, is there a way to fastforward using the scroll wheel rather than holding down ffw 19.03.15 # the chip is made by broadcom 19.03.39 # from what is understood up to now the chip is programmed with some firmware that is saved in the flash memory of the ipod 19.04.21 # couldn't they port that firmware (perhaps unofficial addon package ;) ) 19.04.23 # so one needs to figure out how to program the chip and how to interact with the PP cpu 19.04.51 # feel free to work on it yourself ;-) 19.04.51 # well, pipe dream for now perhaps ;) though summer of code... the wma support is being added, so anythings possible. 19.05.11 # but I don't think there is any interest in Rockbox itself. Maybe the guys at ipl have more interest 19.05.13 # but I doubt it. 19.11.45 # right, gotta run for dinner 19.11.47 # later 19.11.48 Quit NET||abuse () 19.14.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.16.19 Join Feral_Kid [0] (n=FeralKid@red-corp-201.143.150.57.telnor.net) 19.16.19 Quit moos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.18.58 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-70-135-35-182.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) 19.19.51 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 19.22.13 Join rotator [0] (n=e@rockbox/developer/rotator) 19.22.43 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (i=551e29a7@rockbox/contributor/Genre9mp3) 19.30.50 Join rockclimber [0] (n=rockclim@pD9531814.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.32.12 # Hi 19.33.13 # hi 19.34.33 # I don't know if i'm right but am i true that rockbox for ipod does not support the photo connector? 19.35.11 Join PaulJam [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3026.gwdg.de) 19.35.35 # it doesn't support any of the accessories yet. 19.35.47 # you can use the dock connector for line out 19.36.20 # but if you refer to some camera by "photo connector", you need to use the apple firmware for that. 19.36.48 # kk but i can start the original firmware by activate hold when the ipod boots 19.36.55 # yes 19.37.14 # you can also quite easily uninstall Rockbox if you find to not like it 19.37.22 # it's not a one way trip 19.37.40 # yeah i allready installed it 19.38.07 # I hope you liked it ;-) 19.38.16 # i switched many times between ipodlinux and rockbox 19.39.33 # guess I don't need to mention it then ;-) 19.40.36 # I tried to use both but the linux boot loader worked not very well together with rockbox 19.40.56 # you can use the Rockbox bootloader for loading IPL 19.41.05 # works fine, at least for me. 19.41.24 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 19.41.41 # Kk I will try it out 19.42.06 # it's mostly undocumented though 19.42.27 # if you press "play" upon boot the RB bootloader will load a linux kernel named "linux.bin" from the root of the disk 19.42.55 # well, but i found a very good IRC ^^ 19.43.31 # kk 19.43.54 # nearly the same like ipl BL 19.44.25 # * bluebrother doesn't know the ipl loader 19.45.28 Quit preglow ("Changing server") 19.48.06 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m180.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 19.50.23 Join Siltaar [0] (n=Siltaar@reverse-52.fdn.fr) 19.51.49 Join preglow [0] (n=thomj@rockbox/developer/preglow) 19.52.28 Quit ze (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.52.53 Quit pixelma (" o") 19.55.02 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 19.58.40 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p54848B63.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 20.02.00 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 20.02.03 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp253-82.adsl.forthnet.gr) 20.06.06 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3010.gwdg.de) 20.06.33 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.06.51 Nick PaulJam_ is now known as PaulJam (i=Paul@vpn-3010.gwdg.de) 20.08.39 Part TrueJournals 20.09.31 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 20.10.11 Quit rockclimber (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.16.01 Join Camjpn [0] (i=18c09310@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-70e5dbe2468977aa) 20.16.27 # hey can someone help me with something? 20.16.48 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.168.17) 20.17.42 Join jmsbwtr__ [0] (n=james@ACCA0040.ipt.aol.com) 20.19.27 Quit Genre9mp3 ("CGI:IRC") 20.19.42 # Camjpn: Just ask. 20.20.30 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 20.21.27 # ok, 20.21.45 # well i have a Gigabeat, and the Artist info, Album info is all messed up 20.21.56 # it has like for example 20391-390-1293123Album One 20.22.10 # it will have a lot of numbers, and letters then the proper artist or album. 20.22.28 Quit barrywardell () 20.22.29 # What format is your music? Does this happen on every album, and with every theme? 20.23.10 # yes 20.23.15 # it is MP3, and WMA 20.23.43 # Rockbox doesn't play WMA... 20.24.26 # ok well, its MP3? 20.24.34 # this is with all my music, and alot of it is both 20.26.41 # Have you looked at the files themselves (e.g. in a PC music player) to see what are actually contained in the tags? 20.26.50 # yea im looking at that now 20.27.05 # well, nvm, all of it is MP3 20.29.20 # so what would u suggest ? 20.30.02 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@71-10-136-176.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) 20.32.58 # Camjpn: To look at the tags in a tag editor on your PC and fix them if needed. 20.33.08 Quit jmsbwtr_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.37.03 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.39.02 Quit Camjpn ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 20.41.03 Quit amiconn (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference") 20.43.20 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.43.24 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF62A2.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.49.54 Join LordBrain [0] (n=jim@64.169.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) 20.50.54 # What's the best portable media player to use with rockbox? 20.52.09 # I don't think Rockbox runs on anything that would fix the "PMP" category, Rockbox is primarily target at audio players. 20.52.14 # fit, rather. 20.52.15 Quit preglow (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.52.37 # As well, "best" is a rather subjective viewpoint. It depends on what hardware features you value over others 20.52.49 # h100 and x5 are great targets as it runs quite nicely 20.52.53 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3118.gwdg.de) 20.53.08 # if you want more codecs than the archos devices support ;-) 20.53.35 # h100 series is best for recording, the X5 is a good middle ground as it still offers decent recording, and has a color screen for that 'shiny' appeal, and the Gigabeat F/X series lay the other way with no recording features, but a nice crisp color screen and good video functionality. 20.53.47 # oh i didnt know there was a difference 20.53.59 # i mean a portable audio 20.54.24 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.54.30 # LordBrain, why don't you start with telling what you want? ;-) 20.54.35 Nick PaulJam_ is now known as PaulJam (i=Paul@vpn-3118.gwdg.de) 20.54.51 # well, most of my music is in vorbis format 20.55.08 # basicly, i'd like something that is portable that can play that 20.55.24 # Well, that's basically anything that is not an Archos, that Rockbox supports 20.55.55 # you just should be aware that the PortalPlayer devices (Ipod, Iriver H10) have worse battery life with Rockbox 20.55.58 # Though I'd strongly suggest against the iPods, the Sansa e200, or the iRiver H10 as they run on a processor we don't have good support for yet 20.56.07 # and I find my h120 much more reliable and stable than the Ipod 20.56.26 # Poor battery life, and some slowness in the menus, and possibly even skipping in the music if you try to use an equalizer. 20.57.21 # also, if you have a greyscale display you can read it without backlight which isn't true for color displays 20.57.36 # ... which is caused by the technology. 20.57.56 # hmm h120 sounds good so far 20.58.10 # the only problem is that the h100 series isn't produced anymore. 20.58.29 # Making them somewhat harder to find, though they're a prize if you can get one. 20.58.31 # and IMO the sound quality it great, especially compared with the Ipod 20.58.32 # i've never had one of these, i wasnt even thinking of battery life 20.59.04 # I get about 17h with my h120, and below 8h with the Ipod mini 20.59.12 Join freqmod [0] (n=freqmod@93.80-203-96.nextgentel.com) 20.59.12 # which company makes h120? 20.59.17 # Iriver. 20.59.37 # the h100 series is missing a clock, but there's a mod to add one ;-) 21.00.33 # what's a decent price for one? 21.01.39 # don't know -- bought mine when they were still in production. Something about 350EUR back that time in germany 21.01.54 # which was about 2 1/2 years ago 21.04.03 Join Landon [0] (n=robert@207-47-147-224.regn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) 21.04.07 # Hey 21.04.19 Quit merbanan (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.04.42 # Anyone here? 21.05.12 # no :P 21.05.22 # I see 142 people around ... 21.05.38 # Haha. 21.05.47 # LordBrain, we have a wiki page somewhere that compares a couple of players that are still in production 21.05.53 # I have a question about the rockbox for sansa.. 21.05.55 # can't remember the page name atm 21.06.19 # Landon, it's usually a better idea to just ask. If someone knows the answer you most likely will get an answer 21.06.43 # Yeah... 21.07.01 # LordBrain, found it: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide 21.07.13 Quit bawb2 ("seacrest out!") 21.07.33 # So.. What can the normal sansa firmware do that the rockbox can't. Like I love the video playback, but I want a alternative firmware, and that dual boot thing that the guy made supposibly freezes it.. 21.08.12 # The official loader dual boots just fine... 21.08.21 # And Rockbox has better or equal video playback. 21.08.44 # So rockbox is all around AWESOMER? 21.09.16 # that's a matter of perspective :) 21.09.45 # And Im looking at some video's on Youtube, and they all have terrible skins, are the skins good? 21.09.55 Quit pabs ("back in a couple hours: spring rack cleaning") 21.10.23 # The skins are whatever you want them to be, mostly. 21.10.34 # So you can make it look pretty? 21.10.49 # Yes 21.10.56 # there are a lot of pretty themes around 21.11.05 # But so far Rockbox does not support on the Sansa: FM Radio, Recording, MicroSD slot, and WMA 21.11.07 # Alright, And if I do brick it, I can easily fix it? 21.11.13 # http://rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=176x220x16 21.11.16 # If you do brick it, you didn't follow the instructions right 21.11.31 # Depending on how crazy of a thing you decide to do wrong, the ease of repair can vary a lot. 21.11.36 # But if I do, can I fix it? 21.11.58 # You can repair almost anything you can do during a normal Rockbox install 21.12.06 # Alrighty. 21.12.22 # You have to mess up the first repair process, and then mess up the repair process to repair the messed up from the repair device before you start getting into risking a permanent brick. 21.13.05 # And... I can dual boot so, if I want to listen to the radio, I can use the normal firmware? 21.13.20 # you need to dual boot for usb to work 21.13.31 # as Rockbox hasn't it's own usb implementation yet 21.13.51 # which will hopefully change during the summer ... 21.14.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.15.04 # Alright, so I can like hold << to boot into rockbox? 21.15.33 # something like this. I don't know the key, but it should be in the manual 21.15.52 # It's << I believe. 21.15.52 # Anything else bad about Rockbox? 21.15.56 # maybe you just want to have a look into it first. It's quite good. 21.16.44 # I shall, when I get home, Im on the road, and im excited! 21.18.02 # btw, Llorean: how's the shop running? 21.18.17 # Can I keep my music in the sansa firmware place, and listen to it in Rockbox? 21.18.48 # bluebrother: Pretty much as expected. Having merchandise is cool, but people don't actually want to buy it. :) All is well. 21.18.59 # hehe. Nice. 21.19.38 Join preglow [0] (n=thomj@rockbox/developer/preglow) 21.19.49 # Can I keep my music in the sansa firmware place? 21.19.59 # As long as it's MP3 format. 21.20.07 # Rockbox doesn't play WMA 21.20.26 # Alright! 21.20.43 # Rockbox doesnt have a Nes emu? 21.20.55 # no 21.21.45 # Alright. 21.22.19 # How big is the firmware? 21.23.32 # Less than 5mb 21.23.47 # Sweet. 21.23.59 # h120 download archive is less than 2MiB, plus a similar amount for the fonts 21.24.41 # depending on what additional data you want to install (themes etc.) this increases of course 21.24.43 Quit freqmod (Success) 21.25.15 # Well, I want Rockbox for its apps and stuff. But I think im going to keep the original firmware for listening to music. 21.25.34 # Does the video playback have a easy way to fastforward? 21.26.15 # it doesn't have ffwd at all 21.26.20 # at least not yet 21.26.21 # Oh.. 21.26.25 # Alright. 21.26.30 # Cool. 21.26.39 # I believe you want Rockbox for music, not the other way round ;-) 21.26.45 # Why? 21.27.09 Join deweycooter [0] (i=455b3a4d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9e756d76340c29b0) 21.27.11 # What cool features does it have? 21.27.15 # because of nice features like ReplayGain, parametric equalizer, gapless playback, on the fly playlists 21.27.29 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox 21.27.29 # id3 playlists? 21.27.46 # no, on the fly. 21.27.56 Quit Siku () 21.27.58 # and a builtin database 21.28.04 # The normal sansa has that. 21.28.34 Join MonkeyTamer [0] (n=chatzill@pcp009946pcs.santa-lucia.reshall.calpoly.edu) 21.28.34 # I don't know the sansa. But you can use the database to create a playlist by browsing by id3 tags. 21.28.37 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 21.28.44 # Cool. 21.28.50 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.215.2) 21.28.58 # rockboxes database (engine) is very advanced, you can create custom db queries and so on 21.28.58 # What language is Rockbock built in? 21.28.59 # I don't know how a "id3 playlist" should work anyway 21.29.13 # C, with some parts in asm 21.29.19 # Oh, damn. 21.29.33 # as that id3 playlist needs to find the files on disk in some way. 21.29.49 # but if you consider a custom database query a id3 playlist, yes, you can do that 21.30.23 # I was thinking about writing a plugin that uses the microphone to amplify the surrounding sounds when you hold play and rec or something so you dont have to take off your headphones. 21.30.56 # you might want to search the tracker for a similar task 21.31.10 # that sounds useful 21.31.20 # because i have isolating earphones 21.31.24 # Becuase I have isolating headphones. 21.31.30 # Yeah :P. 21.31.32 # I think that has been requested already 21.31.33 # :o 21.31.36 # hmm, that sounds like a great idea 21.31.40 # Landon: what kind do you have? 21.31.54 # but as a plugin ... I don't think that would integrate nicely. 21.31.55 # i have isolating hp too and can't use them at work because of that 21.32.02 # Panasonics. 21.32.06 # You? 21.32.07 # as you always need to start the plugin first. 21.32.16 # i have sensaphonics 21.32.18 # custom-molded 21.32.43 # Help me find the tracker thinger. 21.32.46 # prophonic 2x-s 21.32.57 # how good are isolating headphones in terms of noice cancellation? 21.33.25 # If you have music on, you cannot hear anything, even with 5$ ones. 21.33.34 # really good 21.33.44 # The more expensive ones you get, the better the confort, sound quallity and noice cancelation. 21.33.59 # mine are really insane because they are musician's in-ear monitors 21.34.16 # hmm. How complicated it "installing" / removing them? 21.34.19 Join Rincewind [0] (i=hDqRgCYB@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 21.34.30 # Like normal headphones. 21.34.54 # Pop them in and it feels like all the air in your head has been sucked out. 21.35.26 # hmm. Maybe I should try it some time ... 21.35.47 # Bestbuy has them on display usually. 21.35.59 # Help me find this feature request! 21.36.06 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m180.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 21.36.54 # http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?t=220857 21.37.16 # Nice. 21.37.17 # you might want to start there if you are going to read about iems 21.37.29 # that forum has lots of information on choosing the best one for you 21.37.58 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5575 21.38.18 # wow... looks like those guys must be very expensive 21.38.37 # anything shure usually is 21.38.42 # yep. Was too slow ;-) 21.38.58 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5575 21.39.04 # The Creative in-ears are pretty decent 21.39.11 # the prices very 21.39.14 # How do you get the priority higher? 21.39.25 # you can get a pair ranging from $50 - $1000 21.39.37 # s/very/vary 21.39.38 # My first pair was 5$ 21.39.50 # they do; but the way they name their products and such... one tends to be drawn to the more expensive ones 21.40.01 # haha 21.40.17 # Back to the plugin? 21.40.26 # they wouldn't be able to sell them though if they didn't have that effect 21.40.55 # From all the reviews I have found, the Creative ep somethings are the best for the price anywhere 21.41.44 # Bluebrother, about the dual booting thing, does it ask me if I want to or is there a special way to do it? 21.41.49 # Creative ep-630 21.41.59 # dual booting? 21.42.04 # Rockbox. 21.42.04 # you need to press a button while booting 21.43.06 # But when im installing rockbox, does it ask me if I want to erase the firmware? 21.44.13 # on the sansa? 21.44.35 # Yep. 21.44.39 # you need the sansa firmware to be able using usb. Besides, the firmware itself is read from disk anyway 21.45.08 # So it does it by itself? 21.45.36 # so, as you don't change any flash chip memory but only the "disk" contents you can always copy that back 21.45.55 # the firmware is in a file with the extension .mi4 21.46.12 # I don't know the state of sansapatcher as I don't own one. 21.46.24 # read the manual, it should have the necessary information 21.46.31 # Okay. 21.46.42 # Does Rockbox delete anything, do I need to backup? 21.46.53 # no. 21.47.05 # Alright. 21.47.07 # your data is safe (unless you mess it up of course) 21.47.16 # hahah 21.47.36 # but again, I don't own a sansa and don't know the details. The wiki has valueable informations too 21.47.55 # Okay. 21.47.56 Join BigMac [0] (n=BigMac@c-71-234-95-131.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) 21.48.05 # Hey Guys 21.48.12 # I think I have a problem 21.48.31 # shoot 21.48.57 # *pew* 21.49.01 # my F40 only goes up to loading rockbox in the bootloader, rescue mode can't be accessed, can't access the disk in windows explorer 21.49.16 # I have tried turning on and off the battery, but no help there 21.49.42 # what have you done before it stopped working? 21.50.07 # umm, just made a build last night, and applied 21.50.14 # nothing unordinary 21.50.17 # did you update the bootloader? 21.50.26 # do you have a recent bootloader? There was an incompatible change shortly ago 21.50.35 # BigMac: All Gigabeats need a new bootloader if they're running a current build 21.50.58 # ah ok I will go install it 21.51.08 # wait 21.51.17 # can't access the drive :/ 21.52.47 # Rescue Mode should still work 21.52.54 # What happens when you try it, exactly? 21.52.58 # Or rather "Recovery Mode" 21.54.05 # entering recue mode 21.54.13 # but that was a simple problem 21.54.16 # I had vmware open 21.54.28 # so it would not show up in windows explorer 21.54.36 # but after closing it worked 21.54.58 # now I realease, that I don't have a GBSYSTEM folder, even after showing hidden files 21.55.54 Join chrisjs169 [0] (n=jack@pool-71-254-193-70.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) 21.56.06 # It's there. 21.56.21 # Just think back to how you installed Rockbox the first time. 21.56.42 # I don't remember at all to be honest 21.57.11 # and could I boot without this folder, because if so I may have deleted it 21.58.04 # You cannot boot without it. 21.58.14 # hmm 21.58.16 # BigMac: maybe you have to enable the option to show systemfolders in windows too 21.58.24 # alright will try that 21.58.30 Join Topy [0] (n=Topy44@84.44.217.201) 21.59.04 # Gotta go! 21.59.10 Part Landon 21.59.13 # yah that did it PaulJam , perhaps that should be added to the wiki? 21.59.56 # BigMac: Do you mean the manual? 22.00.47 # No I always use the Html version 22.00.59 # I thought that was part of the twiki 22.01.02 # No. 22.01.07 # Oh sorry 22.01.17 # Do you see an "Edit" button anywhere? 22.01.29 # no 22.01.45 # there is a wiki version, but when you click on "manual" and then "html", one would think that is the html version of the manual 22.01.51 # The HTML version is the HTML version... of the manual. Which is why it's linked to from the manual page and everything, and contains the exact same text as the manual. 22.01.57 # but the wiki version is quite outdated and shouldnt be used 22.02.10 # * scorche winks at Llorean 22.02.55 Join GrooveStix [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-68-251-227-122.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net) 22.03.06 # hullo hullo! 22.03.31 # Well the manual should still include that aswell 22.03.38 # as well 22.04.29 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3010.gwdg.de) 22.04.41 Quit PaulJam (Nick collision from services.) 22.04.47 Nick PaulJam_ is now known as PaulJam (i=Paul@vpn-3010.gwdg.de) 22.04.57 # BigMac, please file a task in the tracker unless there is one already. 22.05.51 # hey folks, I am trying to figure out the battery_bench.txt file 22.06.17 # I am in a hurry so I am probably missing something 22.07.49 # after the information that by default included, I see a couple of rows with some info 22.08.20 # I just wanted to know how can I see the total amount of hours I used my player 22.14.49 # GrooveStix: Look at the last time recorded. 22.15.15 Quit jmsbwtr__ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.15.50 Quit Topy44 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.17.04 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 22.17.14 Quit BigMac ("Leaving") 22.17.49 Join jmsbwtr__ [0] (n=james@ACCA0040.ipt.aol.com) 22.22.56 Quit bleech (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 22.24.36 # the very last line says: 22.24.38 # 00:08:22, 00502, 100%, 13:47, 3970, 0003, -, -, - 22.24.50 # Time:, Seconds:, Level:, Time Left:, Voltage[mV]:, M/DA:, C:, S:, U: 22.25.14 # any clues?! 22.26.00 # I'm guessing there aren't very many lines. 22.26.15 # Did you run any plugins or turn your iPod off and then back on, or use USB, after starting the bench? 22.28.49 Join bleech [0] (n=j@ip68-101-122-30.oc.oc.cox.net) 22.29.20 Quit MonkeyTamer ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 22.29.27 Join thebigearl [0] (n=biggy@dslb-088-070-024-181.pools.arcor-ip.net) 22.29.28 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.29.57 Join PaulJam [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3010.gwdg.de) 22.30.32 Quit pearldiver (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.33.42 Quit lids (Remote closed the connection) 22.36.53 Quit jmsbwtr__ ("Ex-Chat") 22.37.13 # sdf 22.38.57 # sorry, i am back now 22.39.08 # I used it like I use it normally 22.39.16 # I didn't use plugins 22.39.33 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 22.39.44 # but I might have plugged it in my usb 22.41.25 # Any one of those things I listed would've stopped the battery bench 22.41.26 # And your time suggests that it was stopped sometime after 8 minutes. 22.41.26 # It's rather pointless to plug in USB while running a bench, by the way 22.41.26 DBUG Enqueued KICK Llorean 22.41.26 # Why were you benchmarking? 22.41.26 # there are 5 lines 22.41.34 # the total of about 20 minutes 22.41.42 Join dewdude [0] (n=dewdude@pool-71-114-49-56.washdc.dsl-w.verizon.net) 22.42.18 # I was benchmarking, because I wanted to see if there's a change in my battery life 22.42.23 # after I installed rockbox 22.42.39 # or if I am only hallucinating 22.42.42 # And yet you plugged in USB in the middle of it? 22.42.46 # What player do you have? 22.42.56 # ggabeat 22.42.59 # *gigabeat 22.43.23 # Gigabeats charge from USB, meaning that even if it hadn't interrupted the bench it would've invalidated it 22.43.33 # But on Gigabeat Rockbox should perform equally or slightly better than the original firmware 22.43.38 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@p54BD7D49.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.43.39 # not by default 22.43.59 # Not by default what/ 22.44.00 # ? 22.44.08 # (charging from USB) 22.44.14 # Yes, it does. 22.44.26 # When USB is connected to transfer files, it still charges. 22.45.16 # hmmm. I remember that every time I reseted the configuration I had to set it to charge from USB 22.45.47 # What "Charge from USB" setting? 22.46.02 # lemme see 22.46.22 # Ah, hmm 22.46.24 # yes 22.46.25 # I don't believe that should be there 22.46.30 # it's in system 22.46.37 # ->battery 22.47.02 # Yes, as I said, I don't think that should be there 22.47.02 # ->Charge during USB connection 22.47.13 # As in "it's there, but perhaps wrongly so" 22.47.21 # Either way, connecting USB interrupted the bench. 22.47.25 # mmhm 22.47.27 # ok 22.48.05 # I'll try it again with no interruptions 22.48.10 # hopefully you're right 22.48.16 # Right how? 22.48.23 Quit dewdude (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.48.27 # I know that Rockbox does not decrease battery life on Gigabeat under identical usage patterns 22.49.00 # Most people though enable features like Caption Backlight that add battery drain beyond what would drain in the original firmware, and then think that Rockbox is at fault rather than the increased drain they've put on the device. 22.49.19 Join lids [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-edac7c82a1f04b51) 22.49.22 # what about themes? 22.49.31 Quit davina ("byeeeeee!") 22.49.33 # same? 22.49.46 # Themes shouldn't affect it too significantly in most cases. 22.50.01 # I see 22.50.14 # You can visit the GigabeatRuntime wiki page to see other peoples' results 22.51.20 # cool, do you write some of the code? 22.51.54 # Not really, no. 22.52.16 # I had some trouble with the bootloader last night 22.52.27 # (the updated one) 22.52.32 # so I was trying to find somebody 22.52.36 # What kind of trouble? 22.53.18 # I was getting a "bad checksum" error 22.53.30 # and the player wouldn't boot 22.53.41 # I reversed to the old bootloader and it was fine again 22.53.50 # (yes I am using the latest firmware) 22.54.28 # The 'bad checksum' means you weren't 22.54.34 # Were you using the daily? 22.54.45 # yes 22.54.48 # Why? 22.54.52 # You're supposed to use the Current 22.54.56 # Daily only updates once per day. 22.55.32 # hmm 22.56.38 # so you're saying that the problem is still with the firmware? and not the bootloader? 22.57.14 # You were downloading old firmware to use with the new bootloader 22.57.44 # Or so it seems likely 22.57.59 # oh no 22.58.04 # I was using this 22.58.06 # http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=gigabeatf 22.58.33 # ha! I know why I was using the Daily Builds 22.58.38 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/rdiff/Main/GigabeatFXPort?type=history 22.58.59 # it's because the GigaBeat page told me so! :) 22.59.09 # A page maintained by users 22.59.11 # what's "Caption Backlight" for, btw =P 22.59.12 # You should follow the manual 22.59.25 # yuriks: It turns the backlight on for the first and last few seconds of every song. 23.00.05 # hmm, doesn't seems very useful =P 23.03.27 # ..at least we established the problem.... 23.03.51 # GrooveStix: Well the solution is somewhat clear too. Download a properly current one. 23.04.35 Quit Redbreva ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 23.04.37 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 23.04.52 # indeed 23.06.01 # let us see... 23.06.48 Quit ceaser (Remote closed the connection) 23.08.40 Join Hammer89 [0] (n=soc_inte@host-24-149-166-187.patmedia.net) 23.09.33 # very nice 23.11.47 Quit midgey () 23.12.32 Quit petur ("here today, gone tomorrow") 23.14.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.15.19 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.17.23 # thanks a lot, and byr 23.17.27 # byrrr! 23.17.29 # :) 23.17.31 Quit GrooveStix ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 23.26.50 Join himitsu [0] (n=himitsu@61.213.185.102) 23.31.44 Quit ompaul ("later") 23.37.54 Join The-Comiler [0] (i=534c1506@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4c61e6da37017419) 23.38.04 # Hi 23.39.51 Quit jhulst (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.41.58 # ho 23.44.13 Quit himitsu (Connection timed out) 23.46.37 Quit Rincewind ("Cya") 23.50.41 # I like to use my own-written WPS, but since the WPS tokenizer-update i get a data abort when i use it. This is the WPS: http://pastebin.ca/453254 23.52.26 # The-Comiler: does the data abort happen when you want to play music ? 23.52.45 # Nico_P: Yes, it do 23.52.55 # The-Comiler, what player? Ipod? 23.53.03 # iPod 5.5G 30GB 23.53.15 # do you have a recent bootloader? 23.53.28 # I use the iPodLoader 2.5d 23.53.38 # *sic* 23.53.49 # But the error happens with the Rockbox-Bootloader, too 23.54.16 # with a recent RB bootloader? 23.54.22 # or an old one? 23.54.29 # The-Comiler: I'm going to have a look at that wps 23.54.56 # The recent (It support waiting to the coprocessor) 23.55.36 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.196.100) 23.55.44 # *supports 23.57.17 # The-Comiler: does the error happen only with your wps, have you tried one of the included? 23.57.20 # The-Comiler: that WPS works for me 23.57.28 # Ouch? 23.57.46 # pixelma: All others works 23.58.07 # The-Comiler: do you have the latest version of rockbox ? 23.58.16 # what font do you use? (just seems way too many lines with a reasonable font height for the Ipod video display) 23.58.51 # The-Comiler: btw, your nick is broken ;-) 23.58.59 # Nico_P: I've tested it with a RB-version of ca. one week