--- Log for 26.04.107 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot- Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 14 days and 22 hours ago 00.01.39 Join donutman25 [0] (n=chatzill@24.244.160.233) 00.07.46 Quit Guile (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.08.27 Join Guile [0] (n=Guile@84.4.29.75) 00.08.59 # I was having a look at the samsung dualcore 32-bit processor for the mobiles.. 00.09.46 # what are some must have games for rock box ipod? i allready have doom so im not sure what else there is i should get 00.13.01 Quit elinenbe_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.13.20 Quit Redbreva ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 00.14.55 Quit donutman25 ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 00.14.55 Quit ender` (" Programming is like sex becuse: 1. One mistake and you have to support it for the rest of your life.") 00.16.24 Quit Rob24 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.16.35 Quit mutantpineapple (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.16.35 Quit mutantpi1eapple (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.21.39 # remote_main_backdrop sounds like a contradiction ;) 00.21.59 # :) 00.22.05 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.141.33) 00.28.09 Quit ompaul ("keep on rocking^wircing") 00.35.26 Join Hammer89 [0] (n=soc_inte@host-24-149-166-187.patmedia.net) 00.42.09 Quit Hammer89 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.42.29 Join Hammer89 [0] (n=soc_inte@host-24-149-166-187.patmedia.net) 00.42.38 # i just made an X5 build with enabled AGC - the histogram works perfectly, i'll do some tests with the AGC now 00.45.29 Join rotator [0] (n=e@rockbox/developer/rotator) 00.45.36 Quit Guile (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.48.05 # works. 00.48.11 # choppy, yes, but works. 00.48.38 # its not great, but its definately worth leaving enabled or at least it should be an option in the configuration tool 00.50.45 # A Lot of similarities between the Samsung S3C2413 and Telechip TCC78x 00.50.50 Join Soap [0] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 00.51.01 # it acts strangely though, probably because its set up to work with a hx00 (more gain steps) 00.51.21 # and it should be deactivated if source is set to mic 00.51.30 # (only 2 gain settings) 00.53.32 # Hi everyone, At the moment I'm taking my first try at coding the bootloader for the gigabeat. I'm interested in getting the screen rotation patch to work, and I know this involves making a new bootloader. I know the idea is to have the bootloader load rockbox.gigabeat if no buttons are pressed on boot, and load rockbox_1.gigabeat if up is held during boot. I know the iPod has a mechanism that is something like this for the original 00.53.32 # t is a bootloader that loads the rotated firmware. http://paste.uni.cc/14821 00.54.31 Quit PaulJam (".") 00.56.20 # just tested AGC a little more 00.56.21 # in fact 00.56.25 # it works really quite well 00.56.49 # the choppyness is not that much of a problem 01.00.01 Part Hammer89 01.02.06 # the default "AGC max. gain" value was a non working far-out setting, pressing left once got me into reasonable range 01.02.24 # still no rockbox for iPod 80gb? :( 01.02.33 # not yet 01.02.41 # i thought the controller issues were fixed? 01.03.12 Nick bawltdaba is now known as Bawitdaba (n=Sphinx@cpe-24-25-130-25.nycap.res.rr.com) 01.07.14 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 01.07.35 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 01.08.04 Join Soul-Slayer [0] (n=Jonno@89.240.238.253) 01.09.23 # www.t44.org/x5agc.jpg 01.13.50 # wow... and I thought the peakmeters in the official build were big... but congrats. :) 01.14.10 # Hey, currently on the H10, whilst on the WPS, the 'next' button does nothing... Would it be possible/easy to map it to view the current playlist? I usually navigate through my database to choose the songs, then it constructs the playlist, and if I press the back button to go on to the next song (by the same artist), it reconstructs the playlist, which takes longer to change track... Currently if I want to use the same playlist, I'd have to hold the 'ne 01.14.21 # Wooooow I didn't realise how much I just wrote, sorry :$ 01.14.56 # element_G i hope you'll get somewhere with that 01.15.20 # pixelma, i set them to 4x, i like big peakmeters :) besides, the space isnt used for anything else 01.15.37 # (imho the peakmeters should be the first thing to see on the WRS, from any distance) 01.16.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.16.52 # i will do some intense testing of the AGC on X5 tomorrow, but until now, i really cant see why it was deactivated 01.17.09 # sure, its not as elegant as on H100/H300, but its far from useless 01.17.26 # pearldiver i hope so too, I'm just stumped as to where to go from here 01.19.21 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.19.59 Join Shaid [0] (i=shaid@203-214-112-15.dyn.iinet.net.au) 01.23.20 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@c-71-205-145-105.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 01.23.38 Quit petur ("Zzzzz") 01.30.51 Part toffe82 01.31.45 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 01.36.33 # ok, plans for when i get the time to work myself into the rockbox code (and svn/linux/embedded coding while we're at it... *sigh*): 01.37.34 Join Topy44 [0] (n=Topy44@xdsl-81-173-150-92.netcologne.de) 01.38.08 Join Lynx [0] (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 01.38.44 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 01.44.18 Quit Rincewind ("Cya") 01.45.14 Join perldiver [0] (n=say@cpe-72-225-231-80.nyc.res.rr.com) 01.54.12 Quit Lynx_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.54.12 Nick Lynx is now known as Lynx_ (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 01.54.52 Quit Topy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.56.05 Quit pearldiver (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.58.22 Part element_G ("Kopete 0.12.4 : http://kopete.kde.org") 01.58.53 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 02.02.06 # alright 02.02.11 # bye guys...catch you tomorrow 02.02.11 Quit IRCGuest98 (Remote closed the connection) 02.02.55 Quit scorche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.03.24 Join scorche [0] (i=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 02.03.46 Join elinenbe_ [0] (n=elinenbe@207-237-224-214.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 02.04.35 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.04.36 Nick elinenbe_ is now known as elinenbe (n=elinenbe@207-237-224-214.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 02.07.05 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.08.33 Join element_G [0] (n=g-force@S0106001346a401fd.ed.shawcable.net) 02.16.31 # JdGordon here? 02.16.41 # yeah 02.17.17 # this small thing really bothers me hehe, viewer icons don't work in the tango set and i have no idea why 02.17.30 # all the config files seem to be in order 02.17.41 # perldiver: does the .icons file have 'm' instead of '*' ? 02.17.45 # yeah 02.17.50 # i mean 02.17.51 # so fix it :) 02.17.54 # it has "*" 02.18.06 # author removed "m" a while ago 02.19.01 # hmm... im heading to uni now... ill have a look ina few hours when i get bacl 02.20.14 # it just displays icon number 16 from the main set 02.20.27 # which is happen to be a "bulb" and used for the System menu 02.24.45 # I was curious about that myself, but hadn't digged in too far, as this was my first day with the fancy icons. 02.26.06 # perldiver: There was a bug like that a while ago. 02.26.18 # aha 02.26.22 # It used the "system menu" icon for all the build in filetypes. 02.26.28 # built in, rather 02.26.35 # how come the other set works? 02.26.55 # Which set isn't working? 02.27.11 # tango 02.27.39 # And what's not working? 02.27.52 # i just explained :P 02.28.05 # perldiver: I don't know what "it" means 02.28.22 # Is it all viewers, specific viewers, or what? 02.28.30 # Are MP3s given the proper icon, or no, etc? 02.29.08 # all the icons from the tango_viewers.20x16x16 don't work 02.29.15 # icons from the main set work OK 02.29.33 # maybe the viewer icon set has the wrong dimensions? (just throwing an idea out as I didn't look into that topic much so far) 02.30.12 # Gimme a minute to play with it 02.30.28 # pixelma it was working properly before a few days ago 02.31.39 # perldiver: It works for me 02.31.43 # perldiver: Oh, wait, one sec 02.31.56 # * Llorean forgot to update the build from earlier 02.32.08 # Well, specifically, forgot to restart the player with the updated build 02.34.18 Quit Soul-Slayer (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.34.35 # perldiver: where could I fand that icon set? 02.34.41 # *find 02.35.05 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IconSets 02.35.18 # 1st one there 02.35.53 # EliSherer set works OK though and it has "m" instead of "*" btw 02.35.58 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 02.36.35 # perldiver: m vs * only matters for the non-viewer icons 02.37.42 # ah 02.38.05 # * tells it to use them from the main file rather than the viewers file 02.41.31 # any luck? 02.42.05 # Testing some things 02.45.06 # That's very strange. 02.45.23 # I have no clue, and my other iconset works fine 02.45.28 # Though it's much smaller 02.46.30 # Clearly the .icons file is being parsed, but at the same time it seems to ignore it, or fail after. 02.48.29 # yep 02.51.15 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 02.52.36 Join zorton [0] (i=zorton@unaffiliated/zorton) 02.53.19 Join capo [0] (n=itguy@c-24-13-108-5.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 02.53.51 # is there a way to tell if i'm using the dual proc on my ipod nano? 02.54.00 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 02.54.48 # zorton: Are you using an official build? 02.54.57 # yep 02.55.05 # Then you're only using it for videos right now. 02.55.06 # .cfg file created by rockbox r13005-070402 02.55.15 # haven't tried videos yet 02.55.20 # It has some problems that make it unsafe (crashes) for normal use. 02.55.30 # is there an advantage in terms of battery power to firing up the other processor? 02.55.32 # That's a bit of an old build. 02.55.45 # It's hard to tell until we can actually test it. 02.56.24 # i'm looking at ipod from an ssh connection so i'm uncertain which build it is 02.56.35 # is there a way to tell by looking at the files in ~/.rockbox? 02.57.34 # You told me the .cfg file said that version. 02.57.39 # * zorton nods 02.57.51 # That's the version from 23 days ago or so 02.58.02 # i'm assuming it's created once and updated only when you change settings 02.58.10 # I maynot have changed any settings since then :) 02.58.18 # I guess I could just download the latest and be done with it 02.58.20 # It's updated on shutdown. 02.58.39 # ok, then it's time to update 02.58.47 # is there progress on the recording stuff on the nano? 02.59.10 # i've recorded a bunch of clips but having no gain control means I have to push in more than I would like to 02.59.15 # Nobody's really working on iPod recording right now 02.59.35 # shame that 03.00.05 # it's a very useful feature for me at anyrate 03.00.11 # Well, feel free to work on it 03.00.14 # :-P 03.00.17 # i'm tempted :) 03.00.33 # where has most of the work been lately 03.00.34 # ? 03.03.35 # In all kinds of places. 03.03.39 # Just wherever people are interested 03.03.49 # cool 03.04.06 # I was really impressed when the recording stuff worked on the nano 03.04.22 # quite a few nay sayers in the ipod linux forumn said it could never be done 03.05.45 Quit capo () 03.06.21 Quit entheh ("^~") 03.13.08 Part zorton 03.16.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.29.50 Join JdG|uni [0] (i=82c20d69@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b6f1e3baa2b0a472) 03.30.05 # perldriver: around? 03.30.18 # or aliask? 03.30.45 # yeah 03.31.04 # do any of the tango icons work? 03.31.15 # yes, the main set 03.31.28 # [20:46] Clearly the .icons file is being parsed, but at the same time it seems to ignore it, or fail after. 03.31.50 # ok, i dont know if this will fix it or not.. but the .cfg is wrong... the full path should be there 03.32.05 Join illriginal [0] (n=illrigin@c-66-229-128-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 03.32.06 # viewers iconset: tango_viewers.20x16x16.bmp 03.32.19 # should be /.rockbox/icons/.... 03.32.34 Join Mr716 [0] (n=Mr716@ool-18ba2c7b.dyn.optonline.net) 03.33.02 # ah 03.33.06 # let me try 03.35.46 # JdG|uni: Tried the .cfg with the full path 03.35.55 # JdG|uni: Didn't mention it in here though, simply because it didn't fix it for me. 03.36.00 # ah 03.36.03 # bugger 03.36.11 # perldiver: You should try it though 03.36.14 # Just in case I did something stupid 03.36.37 # same here 03.36.41 # doesn't solve it 03.38.05 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B1761A.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.38.17 Quit perldiver ("some games are better left unplayed") 03.39.10 Join MadCow [0] (n=chatzill@bas15-toronto12-1168013999.dsl.bell.ca) 03.39.46 # Soap you there? 03.39.58 # Llorean: can you try it in the sim and see if the line saying the .icons file was opened please? 03.42.21 Quit MadCow (Client Quit) 03.42.35 # Llorean: dont worry.. time to work, ill be home in 3 hours or so... 03.42.53 Quit JdG|uni ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03.43.01 Join pearldiver [0] (n=say@cpe-72-225-231-80.nyc.res.rr.com) 03.46.18 # Damn, Just missed him 03.47.50 # yoyoyo mad 03.47.57 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@cpe-74-71-205-222.twcny.res.rr.com) 03.47.58 # didn't wait long 03.48.31 Part Mr716 ("Leaving") 03.50.53 Join MadCow [0] (n=chatzill@bas15-toronto12-1168013999.dsl.bell.ca) 03.52.40 Join spacedout [0] (i=466c455a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e46611dc08860329) 03.53.13 # what happened? 03.53.47 # What happened when? 03.57.25 # we were discussing tango set 03.58.01 # i left for a few minutes 03.59.19 # pearldiver: you could read back in the logs ;) 03.59.47 # Soap: Princess Bride references? Think many people will get them? 04.00.05 # I was going to ask scorche, I'll ask you. 04.00.14 # Is that baiting? Should I drop that post? 04.00.16 Join hannesd_ [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 04.00.41 # Soap can you help me out with my Colinux problem? 04.00.46 # there you are. 04.01.24 # yep 04.01.29 Part pixelma 04.01.30 # PM? 04.01.50 # Soap: I think I'll leave it, just because I enjoy it. 04.02.13 # what PM? 04.03.31 Join Topy [0] (n=Topy44@xdsl-81-173-182-198.netcologne.de) 04.04.04 # OK wait a sec i have to register my nick 04.04.23 Quit hannesd (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.04.48 # or we can join a #junkchannel 04.04.57 Nick MadCow is now known as Mad-Cow (n=chatzill@bas15-toronto12-1168013999.dsl.bell.ca) 04.08.02 Quit aliask ("uni-o'clock") 04.11.53 Quit Topy44 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 04.12.14 Quit illriginal (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 04.17.06 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 04.19.50 Join Mad-Cow_ [0] (n=chatzill@bas15-toronto12-1168013999.dsl.bell.ca) 04.19.51 Quit Mad-Cow (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.19.52 Nick Mad-Cow_ is now known as Mad-Cow (n=chatzill@bas15-toronto12-1168013999.dsl.bell.ca) 04.31.27 Quit Mad-Cow (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 04.43.03 Part TrueJournals 04.47.37 Quit annulus_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.51.50 Join Rob24 [0] (i=1839489d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-742bee57d6e6f25c) 04.52.40 # Know what would be a really sweet game for rock box? Dance Dance Revolution, like you dont have to worrie about having enough buttons all you need is like 4/5 04.53.05 # just have to worry about breaking buttons. 04.53.13 # ;) 04.53.27 # well if you dont need to PRESS the buttons 04.54.05 # it would be like it is in with the rom just touch the buttons and dont need to press then you wont breack anything (speaching about ipod) 04.55.20 # I believe Stepmania is GPL licensed. Feel free to start working on a port, though I expect it to not be very easy 04.55.52 # well, im a big fat newb that cant program so dont look at me 04.56.33 # Well it's in C++, so a _lot_ of work would probably need to be done 04.56.51 # and it would take some one that know how to prgrame to do it 04.57.03 # touch-sensitive buttons only exist on the ipods and gigabeats IIRC. 04.57.12 # Soap: And the H10 04.57.17 # That silly strip 04.57.22 # right 04.57.26 # like I said - ipods. 04.57.30 # Hahaha 04.57.32 # ;) 04.58.26 # ipods for the win 04.58.51 # is it safe to have the battery charge (sansa) via Rockbox or should i just load the OF? 04.59.59 # chrisjs169: It should be safe. 05.00.19 Join Topy44 [0] (n=Topy44@xdsl-81-173-186-167.netcologne.de) 05.00.22 # Llorean: ok, thanks 05.01.02 # Llorean: FS 7033...The WPS line-height patch. 05.02.15 Quit Rob24 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 05.02.27 # Soap: What about it? 05.02.42 # How is the font (verticaly) oriented in the line? always centered? 05.02.58 # Right now, always centered. 05.03.07 # It was originally justified to the top of the line 05.03.20 # And I believe the author said it'd be quite easy to justify to the bottom 05.04.08 # But of course, it has that scrolling issue 05.04.11 # just curious. 05.04.22 # I wasn't planning on using it, just thinking of how it /could/ be used. 05.04.40 # And if it's too complicated to be done elegantly (which it seems like it might be now), might as well stick with the viewports solution 05.04.55 # It didn't really do anything viewports couldn't do, it just had the potential to not require viewports for some basic functions 05.06.37 # a viewport per line of text multiplied times the number of viewports with text in them sounds like it could get large fast. 05.06.52 # Yeah, in terms of buffer use at least. 05.10.53 Join NineTeen67Comet [0] (n=justin@114M20.oasis.mediatti.net) 05.11.49 # Hi all .. I beleive my wife's Ipod is a Gen4 grey scale but I'm not sure .. is there a sure fire way to tell? It looks like the pic .. on http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml this page .. 05.12.14 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@c-71-205-145-105.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 05.12.35 # note the buttons below the screen on the third generation ipods. 05.12.55 # No buttons .. just the wheel and a screen .. 05.12.56 # the first and second generation ipods had four curved buttons surrounding the wheel. 05.13.01 # 20gig .. 05.13.16 # nkay . it's a gotta be a 4th gen .. 05.13.42 # then it be a 4th, as it is the only greyscale - full size - ipod with buttons integrated into the wheel. 05.14.01 # secondly .. I have been looking for the Linux instructions .. in the firmware section the manual says to double click the .exe file, but that's not a good deal in *nix .. 05.14.57 # The linux section of the manual shouldn't tell you to do that... 05.15.14 # Okay .. I'll look a little more .. I saw that, then the Mac OS part .. 05.15.47 # Doesn't look like there is a section for firmware in Linux just bootloader install .. 05.16.13 # * NineTeen67Comet kicks himself in the shin .. sorry .. see it I think .. 05.16.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.18.16 Quit Topy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.48.35 Quit NineTeen67Comet ("Leaving.") 05.50.28 Join qwedsa [0] (n=superman@ip51ccca31.speed.planet.nl) 05.52.20 Quit desowin ("use linux") 06.04.01 Quit qwedsa_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.16.19 Quit xNibbler (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.16.59 Join xNibbler [0] (n=sven@e181102222.adsl.alicedsl.de) 06.18.21 # so, any updates on the tango icon set problem? 06.18.23 Quit HEx (Connection timed out) 06.23.48 Join ptw419 [0] (i=ptw419@216-188-249-122.dyn.grandenetworks.net) 06.31.14 Join snookums [0] (n=emily@114M20.oasis.mediatti.net) 06.31.45 Join EbErT [0] (n=EbErT@adsl-19-81-54.asm.bellsouth.net) 06.32.41 # Hi all .. I just tossed rockbox on the wifes gen 4 greyscale ipod and it seems to be pretty good stuff. She would however like to toss all her music and start over. We use Rythembox (linux) or simply use the file browser to move all the files/directories out of iPod_Control-Music? then update database again? 06.34.20 # i wouldn't pick them outta ipodcontrol, they're all labeled funny 06.35.01 # if you aren't going to use itunes, just dump them in again, its easy to update the database 06.35.07 # Well I was going to just move them all over to the computer so she could load them all back up via rythembox .. they are all names F## .. 06.35.49 # the database will find them no matter what directory I put them correct? I was going to make a Music directory and drop all her music in there for the database to find .. /root/Music type .. 06.36.04 # * snookums on the ipod 06.36.55 # correct on the database question. 06.37.12 # which is why you don't have to move them if you want to use the database. 06.37.13 # yeah, it will. but you dont have the music on her computer? 06.37.19 # The way iTunes did it she didn't like, so she'd just assume toss all iTunes junk and do it her self with the file browser and or/rythembox .. 06.37.44 # i use itunes and rockbox, so i do what you're talking about 06.37.45 # She's got them all on here too .. but she didn't know what she didn't have on her ipod so she wanted to start over .. 06.37.54 # If the files on the ipod are non-replaceable, you can simply rename them based upon tags, all the ID3 tags are intact. They are mearly renamed and placed into folders based upon their Track Number. 06.38.29 # okay . thanks guys .. she's set then .. I'll move all the songs off her ipod so she can start re-building it .. 06.38.37 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 06.39.51 # off to tinker .. thanks again .. just needed to know she wasn't out of luck on keeping the itunes goodies .. 06.40.02 Part snookums 06.50.17 Quit jhulst (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.00.25 Join Nev [0] (n=nevyn@202.180.127.118) 07.00.58 # Hi - I have a very quick question - Does rockbox make it easier to transfer music to your mp3 player? 07.01.28 # Easier by my standards, yes 07.01.32 # No stupid software to deal with 07.03.00 # So if I were to install rockbox, - it's just a case of using it as a mass storage device under linux? 07.03.31 # Yup 07.03.46 # Legendary. Thanks :) 07.09.16 # * JdGordon slaps aliask around with a large ? ! 07.11.44 Quit rotator () 07.12.32 # good news everybody! I have tango icons almost fully working again 07.12.50 # I honestly have no idea why its being wierd... but it seems some error checking code may be way off :p 07.13.05 # ahh 07.13.20 # what happened? 07.13.30 # ive got it showing the mario icon for .mpg.. but its better than ? 07.13.42 # It's supposed to show the mario icon 07.13.45 # At least, I think it is 07.13.52 # heh 07.14.00 # no 07.14.10 # for .mog? 07.14.13 # mpg even 07.14.13 # its a film roll icon 07.14.31 # author got it wrong 07.14.43 Quit Weiss (Remote closed the connection) 07.14.44 # pearldiver: MPG is 4 07.14.46 Join Weiss [0] (i=taw27@pip.srcf.societies.cam.ac.uk) 07.14.47 # 4 is the mushroom 07.14.57 # oh.. so its correct 07.15.02 # check the bmp 07.15.09 # Yes, I did 07.15.14 # he .icons is wrong then 07.15.14 # The 5th one, #4, is the mushroom 07.15.25 # You start counting from 0, we're programmers, remember? 07.15.33 # Yay for working icons. How come it was only the tango set? 07.15.35 # why is a mushroom shown for movies? 07.15.37 # film roll 07.15.41 # :) 07.15.49 # aliask: no idea... possibly because you use so few icons? 07.16.08 # I see 07.16.13 # although, that doesnt make sense :p 07.16.22 # pearldiver: Why do you keep insisting a film roll is supposed to show 07.16.24 # In other news my xbox power supply is now outside my xbox :D 07.16.29 # he mad a mistake 07.16.40 # Yeah, but right now, that's what the files say should display 07.16.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.16.50 # hehe ok 07.16.54 # So it'd confuse the issue to talk otherwise, for the moment. ;) 07.17.02 # still got a bug to sort out.. but then ill commit 07.18.20 # broke it aain :D 07.19.05 # aliask: AH... i tihnk the problem is that icon #3 isnt used 07.19.16 # oh 07.19.27 # Woops 07.20.39 # Oh, I have got the .icons file wrong 07.21.05 # All the video stuff should be 3, not 4... 07.21.14 # im debugging with the zip from the wiki 07.21.41 Join corevette [0] (n=corevett@adsl-75-35-218-155.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) 07.21.53 # JdGordon: That has the error as well 07.22.01 # how do i improve the speed for frozen bubbles? 07.22.15 # aliask: yep, which is why the bug was found... 07.22.21 # corevette: Practice :) 07.22.23 # i cant see why my fixes are not working now though 07.22.37 # Oh. Hooray for my mistake then :) 07.22.58 Quit Nev ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12") 07.23.13 # or how do i improve the speed to rockboy games? 07.23.37 # corevette: Basically, you can't. I'm going to take a wild guess and say you have an iPod. Maybe 5g? 07.23.51 # yes aliask 07.24.43 # Ok. iPod's CPUs (the way we use them at the moment) aren't the best. Add to the fact that the 5g has a pretty big screen that has a slow driver, and you end up with slow rockboy and bubbles. 07.26.04 # People are working on the CPU issues, which will provide a bump in performance, but it's still not going to be amazing. 07.28.46 # ya, i notied how slow the graphics were on the newest ipods- lame 07.29.07 # my photo scrolls really smoothly compared to the new ones 07.29.27 # fixed :) 07.29.40 Join alien8ed [0] (i=alien8ed@dialup-4.238.130.104.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) 07.30.04 # will rockbox let me play ogg vorbis on my ipod? 07.30.16 # uh ya 07.30.38 # JdGordon: Sweet 07.30.54 # I should probably update the .icons file shouldn't I? 07.30.55 # ... and in svn 07.31.01 # yeah :) 07.31.07 # but that sort of mistake is safe now 07.31.54 # ebert: thank you 07.33.49 Part corevette ("Leaving") 07.35.17 # JdGordon thanks 07.35.20 Quit ptw419 () 07.35.43 # * aliask is 90% sure the zip is fixed now 07.35.55 # Not used to the gnome archive manager 07.36.29 # sif use gnome.... 07.36.39 # It's prettier than KDE 07.36.55 # Or at least it was at the time when I had to make the choice between the two 07.37.23 # gnome is prettier than kde??? 07.37.49 # * scorche sticks to fluxbox or xfce 07.37.57 # Yeah, the status bar thing (is||was) cluttered and stuff 07.38.18 # * JdGordon prefers xfce4 07.39.16 # Llorean: have you seen 7078? 07.39.45 # cool :) bugfix got a negative delta 07.42.31 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 07.42.37 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 07.46.13 # JdGordon's fix reminds me of sth .... :\ 07.46.44 # a good something or bad something? 07.47.04 # Something that needs work.... 07.47.46 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@c-71-205-145-105.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 07.51.18 # amiconn: is the bootbot code all in /firmware, and not /bootloader? 07.51.23 # bootbox* 07.52.21 # The part which is in bootloader/ for swcodec targets is in flash/bootbox/ 07.52.56 # ok 07.53.24 # bootloader/ (and flash/bootloader/) are just the "app" part; both use the firmware lib for firmware functions 07.54.33 # am I wrong in thinking a possible way of getting bootbox down is just removing the unused files in /firmware? or is there a better way? 07.54.58 # ? 07.55.08 # Unused code isn't linked to it 07.56.42 # * JdGordon gotta run 07.56.50 # And for both bootloaders and bootbox, the firmware lib is compiled with -ffunction-sections -fdata-sections, and linking uses --gc-sections 07.57.22 # So even unused individual functions aren't linked in 08.02.58 # is there any work being done on the RCA lyra series? specifically the RD2780 08.03.13 Join steveo [0] (n=steve_64@58.179.175.130) 08.03.21 # ello anyone around? 08.03.38 Quit kkurbjun (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.04.27 Join jhulst_ [0] (n=jhulst@c-71-205-145-105.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 08.05.31 # strange no one online =( 08.06.50 # I scared them all off 08.07.44 # what can i use to convert .wma to .mp3? 08.08.05 # I suggest foobar2000 08.08.06 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B159EE.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.08.11 # but then that's me. 08.09.18 # then again, I'd say never convert lossy to lossy 08.09.20 # :/ 08.09.34 # transcoding is bad 08.09.56 # unless it's transcoding lossless to lossless 08.10.07 # in which case it's mostly an exercise in futility >_> 08.10.23 # Well, if I'd had the choice between converting lossy to lossy or using the of for wma, I would choose the conversion 08.10.46 # rockbox plays .wma? 08.10.50 # (but keep the WMAs so I could use them when rockbox learns to play them) 08.11.12 # well, transcoding typically means lossy to lossy unless explicitly stated....and then it is typically just called a conversion 08.11.22 # doesn't look like it does, steveo 08.11.26 # probably licensing issues 08.11.28 # steveo: no 08.12.00 # n17ikh|Lappy: someone just has not sat down and coded it....the issue is that there is no current fixed-point implementation of it 08.12.09 # ah 08.12.13 # but, that is one of our GSoC projects 08.12.18 # Not yet, that's why you need to transcode 08.12.19 # GSoC? 08.12.27 # google summer of code 08.12.42 # ohes 08.12.46 # (or use the of for playing them on the targets where the of supports wma) 08.13.14 # but regardless, Rockbox will never support DRM laden WMAs 08.13.43 # of course not 08.14.01 # drm pretty much fails at life 08.14.06 Join qwedsa_ [0] (n=superman@ip51ccca31.speed.planet.nl) 08.14.08 # lappy ok got ur foobar 08.14.40 # just load the songs up in it, right click, and convert em to some sort of mp3. 08.14.48 # though, when I think about it you might need lame.exe 08.15.01 # i was just going to say.. 08.15.24 # but if you can, please move this to PMs as it really doesnt have anything to do with rockbox 08.15.30 Quit alien8ed (Connection timed out) 08.15.52 # well, that's about as far as I was willing to go with it anyway 08.16.12 # as I'm going to bed. 08.16.22 # yeah thats all i needed to know ill play around with it and see how it goes =) 08.16.29 Quit jhulst (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.16.52 # oh, speaking of progress on rockbox 08.17.01 # was jhmikes able to make the fastfarward\rewind for movies? 08.17.17 # is there somewhere I can view whether progress is being made on USB support for the iriver h10 series? 08.17.28 Quit jhulst_ (Remote closed the connection) 08.17.50 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@84.255.206.8) 08.18.05 # I'd like to help if I could, as I own one and could help test at least. 08.18.27 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007040314]") 08.18.27 # actually... is there usb support in any of the ports at all yet? 08.18.55 # n17ikh|Lappy: well, there really isnt a place other than the log of this channel, but if testing is needed, we will call for it 08.19.17 # ah. 08.19.18 # steveo: yeah, you just whip that up in a day or two :P 08.19.48 # all non-PP devices support USB (if i am not forgetting any) besides the gigabeat 08.19.57 # well, it's a PP device 08.20.04 # yes it is 08.20.08 Join HEx [0] (i=HEx@213-228-241-143.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk) 08.20.09 # :/ 08.20.15 # that is another GSoC project 08.20.20 # why so it is 08.20.25 # so expect work on it during the summer 08.20.32 # scorche: The gigabeat supports usb and is not PP... 08.20.52 # amiconn: ah....i seem to remember something about the dock not being supported 08.20.54 # Only the PP targets have soft USB as a device 08.20.54 # hehe mikes ya never know ya might be superman 08.21.30 # so I assume it requires writing a usb stack or driver of some sort that runs on the hardware then 08.21.47 # The only non-PP targets I know of which need some work in the USB area are the iriver H300 and the iaudio X5, but that's USBOTG 08.21.50 # rockbox already has the handling of the filesystem built in? 08.22.02 # er, how's it work, rather 08.22.39 # rockbox accessing the filesystem at the same time usb is being used 08.22.47 # a USB stack needs to be written, yes 08.22.47 # i thought u guys said the quality drops? i cant tell any diffrence lol 08.23.03 # or does it go into a USB mode and then come out when you unplug the usb? 08.23.09 # amiconn: am i imagining things about the gigabeat's dock? 08.23.17 # (just out of curiosity) 08.23.40 Join linuxstb [0] (i=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 08.23.49 # scorche: I don't know about the dock, all I know is that the gigabeat uses a dedicated usb<->ata bridge for MSD 08.23.57 # ah...alright 08.23.58 # I have no gigabeat and no plans to get one 08.24.23 # ok, so the gigabeat does it in hardware. Does it prevent the firmware from having HDD access when the usb to ata bridge is doing so? 08.24.45 # steveo: life is often the kryptonite 08.24.51 # It's a modern but somewhat boring target... optimisation isn't really needed 08.25.01 # I'd rather want an iriver iFP7xx... 08.25.03 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.25.36 # i would want a SWcodec device that accepts a 2.5" HD 08.25.40 # amiconn: au contraire...it just takes it to a new level and for video it is an interesting target 08.25.54 # * scorche is waiting for a good deal on ebay for an AV300 08.26.21 # Yes, but then I'm not really interested in video on a mobile, except from the "it can be done" point of view 08.26.38 # And for the latter, it's more challenging if you have less resources... 08.26.45 # I want a flash device with reasonable storage capacity 08.26.48 Quit qwedsa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.26.50 # like a 40gb flash player 08.27.11 # seeing as how far flash has dropped in price 08.27.15 # n17ikh|Lappy: that would be nice as well, but extremely expensive 08.27.34 # not too bad 08.27.35 # any australians around? 08.27.59 # a 16gb usb flash drive is around $130 now, and that's probably a good deal more than the wholesale price of the chips 08.28.16 # steveo: it is typically much better to ask a question if you have one rather than asking a question such as that 08.28.32 # of course, that's $325 just for the price of the flash, at that price 08.28.45 # I bet a 40gb 1.8" hard drive is rather cheaper. 08.28.56 # it isnt 08.29.19 # amiconn: it is one mobile that really makes it watchable not to mention the general capability if you like things like the various game and game sound emulators. 08.29.31 Join Bagder_ [0] (i=dast@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e23a256549bbc66d) 08.29.39 Nick Bagder_ is now known as B4gder (i=dast@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e23a256549bbc66d) 08.30.01 # * jhMikeS rather likes a nice SPC now and then with all the fancy filtering 08.30.29 # well i was wondering how much a gigabeat f40 costs at the shops in australia atm 08.30.43 # * scorche wonders why B4gder doesnt just type that name in the CGI:IRC login screen 08.31.03 Quit EbErT (Client Quit) 08.31.29 Part element_G ("Kopete 0.12.4 : http://kopete.kde.org") 08.32.26 # jhMikeS: My only real uses of rockbox are for listening to music and some simple games like jewels and solitaire every now and then 08.32.58 # The only non-streaming music format I really want to see supported are (amiga) mods 08.33.43 # And 4-channel mods should be possible even on a 11MHz CPU. The original amiga CPU had only 7MHz... 08.33.58 # ... but didn't use the CPU for the sounds 08.34.24 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 08.34.28 # No, as long as no mixing was required 08.34.36 # i just use mine for movies\music\pics\(well games are on there but havnt played em yet hehe) 08.34.38 # 8-channel mods did use the cpu though 08.35.20 Part kaaloo 08.36.45 # but they could hardly mix 8 => 4 with a very good sample/bitrate on a 7mhz m68k, did they? 08.37.20 # i recall playing up to about 10-12 channel mods (with software mixing) on a 20 MHz 80386DX 08.37.40 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 08.38.39 # amiconn: well, I hope the mpegplayer buffering will be readily moveable to the core since it will be much simpler and it's giving me more ideas about handling everything under the sun in a reasonable way 08.45.41 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 08.49.30 # B4gder: I don't know the exact sample rate used by formats like OctaMED or Oktalyzer, but even S3Ms (with not too many channels) could be played on plain 68000 afair 08.49.49 Join webguest84 [0] (i=c0231115@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-207d0708b3610bae) 08.49.50 # And the 68000 had no mac unit unlike the SH... 08.51.23 Join Guile [0] (n=Guile@88-136-189-207.adslgp.cegetel.net) 08.53.22 # when going through the files on my gigabeat f40 with rock box it somtimes freezes for like 4sec then jumps ahead (happens fairly often and its a bit annoying) anyway to stop it? 08.53.52 Join norbusan [0] (n=norbusan@chello213047086216.5.14.tuwien.teleweb.at) 08.53.59 Part norbusan 08.54.06 # oh and how to change text colour? 08.54.49 Quit webguest84 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 08.59.43 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 09.00.37 Quit Siku ("reboot") 09.00.40 # steveo: Your first problem just sounds like the wait for the disk to spin up. If you want to avoid that, you can enable the directory cache (I think it's something like Settings -> General Settings -> System -> Disk) 09.00.57 # Text colour can be changed under display settings. 09.04.11 # where under display? i c "browse fonts" "brows .wps files" "lcd settings" "show icons" "scrolling" "status-scrollbar" "peak meter" "defualt codepage" 09.04.28 # I'm sure you can find it... 09.05.43 # lol ive searched every folder hehe couldnt see it there thats y i asked 09.06.11 # It's "Foreground Colour" in LCD Settings. 09.07.48 # no wonder lol 09.07.50 # ty 09.10.08 Join Siku [0] (n=Siku@f303b.w3.tontut.fi) 09.10.59 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust362.winn.cable.ntl.com) 09.16.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.18.02 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-54e186fdca8310f9) 09.22.13 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.174.197) 09.35.04 Join crop [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-27cb01f8a2d02be4) 09.36.19 # On http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IconSets, i see that some one icon set has one column and the other has four. How should it be? Or does it work both ways? 09.38.02 Join NineTeen67Comet [0] (n=justin@114M20.oasis.mediatti.net) 09.38.29 Join SliMM [0] (n=chatzill@89.136.181.105) 09.38.33 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 09.38.52 # Eeek .. Restarted my iPod to try and refresh the database and .. I got a battery with a caution looking sign on it, then it went blank .. and that's that .. No USB, no boot, no nothing now .. just a grey screen on the old G4 .. help? 09.39.50 # Battery maybe? That quick? It usually runs on a stand in the car or in the house .. so that batt never really got worked I think .. 09.40.03 # crop: where? 09.40.32 # petur: BuufNano 12x12x16 09.40.53 # But on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomIcons it says it should be one column 09.41.08 # crop: looks like 1 column to me 09.41.20 # in the zip files 09.42.11 # petur: ah, so it's only multicolumn on the wiki page? I haven't looked into the provided zip 09.42.35 # petur: btw, there is an update for the 'view playlist' patch 09.42.42 # the 4 columns example is only to show how they look I think 09.44.42 # crop: no time, sorry 09.46.49 # petur: no hurry. I'm also watching the progress of that patch since I had the same issue. Just wanted to let you know. 09.47.08 Part NineTeen67Comet 09.47.08 # crop: what number was it? 09.49.38 # petur: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7078 09.58.50 # is there some sort of dynamic memory allocation function? 09.59.37 # is the time ripe for another round of malloc() tennis? ;-) 09.59.40 Join ctaf [0] (n=ctaf@ram94-6-82-242-23-70.fbx.proxad.net) 09.59.50 # SliMM: nope 09.59.52 Part ctaf 10.00.24 # b4gder: damn.. 10.00.24 # well, you can make your own within a plugin/codec 10.00.39 # i don't know how :)) 10.00.46 # and at startup various parts can "nick" parts of the audio buffer 10.03.20 Join Raunak [0] (n=OPU@59.178.81.23) 10.03.29 Nick Raunak is now known as BeoWulf (n=OPU@59.178.81.23) 10.03.42 # "The codec is heavily x86-centric with lots of x86 assembly to speed up parts of the code - particularly a neural network." 10.03.57 # Monkey's uses a neural network during decompression?! 10.06.18 # yes, keep those headphones in your ears! 10.06.37 Join webguest84 [0] (i=c0231115@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-14404c2ac1ac93a4) 10.09.45 # re: fs7078, does anyone agree with me that adding a new string to say no playlist to view is a waste and "No Playlists" would work fine there? 10.10.12 # JdGordon: agreed 10.10.51 # B4gder: is 7080 marked critical becasue you forgot to change the default? 10.11.59 # JdGordon: I'm not sure. No Playlists would better be used in playlist catalog. Do we also have "No playlist" (without an S)? 10.12.04 # I just changed the type 10.12.11 # I didn't see the "critical" part for some reason 10.12.27 # crop: well, i agree... but imo its not worth adding the string for this patch 10.12.36 # intgr: I'm not sure which part of Monkey's audio uses a neural network, but it is definitely very CPU intensive - the gigabeat should be able to handle everything apart from "insane". But the other targets will struggle with just "fast". 10.12.41 # B4gder: apparently the severity gets set t critical automatically... 10.12.52 # how... nice 10.13.19 # i set it to medium now 10.14.04 # that's one major thing the flyspray mails still lack => proper telling what changed 10.15.08 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 10.18.53 # JdGordon: on a related note: when viewing a saved playlist, its name doesn't appear anywhere. Is it a feature or a bug? For on the fly list, we could use 'dynamic.' I.e. we could show the name that would be given when the playlist is (about to be) saved. 10.20.13 # unless there is a string for dynamic playlist already i think its a waste... 10.20.17 # Playlist is fine 10.21.31 # hrm...is there a special stick that i can use prod people to discuss things on my dev-ml thread? 10.22.04 # s/prod people to/to prod people into 10.22.09 # scorche: its the +b stick 10.22.18 # ban everyone from irc and thats all thats left.. 10.22.25 # hah 10.22.40 # i wouldnt mind if there was discussion about it here either ;) 10.23.53 # which "it" shall we discuss? 10.24.06 # well, you, nothing ;) 10.24.13 # (devcon-west discussion) 10.24.26 # i hate having to make decisions with no feedback 10.24.36 # i say vegas... 10.24.46 # are you going to come? =P 10.24.59 # na.. i have a thing about going to america... 10.25.05 # too many americans :D 10.25.19 # sad thing is, i see your point 10.26.49 Join webguest89 [0] (i=51429e87@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3496775c9e2d38ed) 10.27.08 # hello, related to playlist, I have a question: 10.27.37 # JdGordon: hey, don't make go all the way over there to kick your ass :D 10.28.02 # jhMikeS: your status on devcon-w? 10.28.11 # why I cannot edit an m3u without played it and saved it? 10.28.56 # I mean I open playlist and have all the tracks.... and if I remove and move tracks, the changes won't be changed 10.29.08 # is this intended or bug? 10.29.52 # I need to start the playlist and then make the changes on the fly and then save the current playlist (overwritting the previous one) 10.30.03 # things could be easier :) 10.32.30 # scorche: June 30th? Bad date really. That's the up north time. 10.32.43 Quit webguest84 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 10.32.51 # hrm... 10.34.09 # define "up north time" 10.34.54 # Everyone goes up to Leland for the 4th of July 10.35.06 # it isnt the 4th of july! =P 10.35.14 # just the 1st! 10.35.40 # yeah, but it's the days surrounding it too 10.35.47 # any thought? 10.37.34 Quit linuxstb ("Leaving") 10.38.13 # jhMikeS: so no chance unless date is changed? 10.39.34 # webguest89: isn't the playlist you've opened then the current playlist? 10.40.05 # probably not June 30...no location set?...'less I missed a message 10.40.28 # not really, although we are leaning heavily towards vegas 10.40.41 # no, I mean in the file browser I just go to playlist and call context menu for show me the list, and then I edit it w/out played it, but the changes aren't saved ie: the moves delete...* 10.41.43 # is this behaviour wanted or this is a bug or something? 10.42.12 # webguest89: I'm not sure what happens if you open a playlist via 'open with'. Is it a core feature of RB or a plugin? 10.44.40 # B4gder: wow, I got a mail back from Toshiba and they corrected the factual error on their site, pretty quick! 10.45.08 # nice 10.45.24 # markun: factual error? 10.45.51 # jhMikeS: the Gigabeat Australia website stated the Gigabeat X has an OLED screen 10.46.15 # which appeared in the wikipedia as one of the benefits of the X over the S 10.46.57 # I removed it from wikipedia and someone put it back 10.48.03 # aren't those just experimental atm? 10.48.16 # which are? 10.48.36 # markun u have gigabeat and live in australia? 10.48.39 # the OLEDs 10.48.44 # OLEDs are used in quite a few devices now 10.48.55 # crop: core feature 10.48.56 # jhMikeS: the Gigabeat U and iriver clix2 have OLED screens I believe 10.49.04 # whats a gigabeat say f40 cost in australia? 10.49.08 # steveo: no, I don't live in Australia 10.49.15 # damn lol' 10.49.39 # they can be found on ebay for around 100 USD I think 10.50.25 # jhMikeS: let me talk to febs and i will get back to you....that was really the only weekend that febs would be able to come for sure, so i will see...any other dates that would not be good for you? 10.50.31 Quit BeoWulf ("http://www.outpost-universe.net/") 10.50.35 # webguest89: I assume only the current playlist can be saved. And if you just open a playlist without playing it it isn't the current one 10.50.54 # webguest89: but it's only my assumption 10.51.21 # that is the point, you can sew it and move or remove tracks, but cannot save 10.51.24 # scorche: I'm thinking but I just don't know atm...it's not like things run on a regular schedule here, it really is per-job determined 10.51.28 # doesn't sounds to logical 10.52.16 # jhMikeS: alright...a maybe is alright....if you can, can you please add yourself to the wiki page? 10.52.23 # webguest89: doesn't sound logical to me either. How dow you open the playlist without playing it? 10.52.36 # how do i set the colour in the grayscale lib? 10.52.49 # markun: well, they say you can make them with an inkjet printer on Wikipedia so maybe someday we can just print new DAPs and whatnot...sounds a bit nuts now though :) 10.52.59 # markun: bring up the context menu and go to playlis context and show playlist 10.53.05 # scorche: sure 10.53.17 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 10.53.34 # webguest89: even afters years of rockbox use I learn new things every day :) 10.53.54 # markun: I've read about similar things for electronic circuits in general 10.53.55 # hahaha :-) 10.54.06 # but pity changes canot be saved 10.54.30 # we can modify things and all, seems to be the hard part, and just for save; nothing :( 10.54.48 # webguest89: use the source luke 10.55.05 # (source code) 10.55.32 # I don't have enough skills I think, plus I don't know the source code at all 10.55.34 # :( 10.55.49 # non of us knew the source code before we started working on it 10.56.11 # who was the one made the rockbox playlist stuff? 10.56.23 # maybe he know how to do 10.56.47 # I think the first thing to look at is what "Save playlist" does, i.e. what playlist is saved. Or does the menu just lack the entry for save? 10.57.08 # webguest89: many people have worked on rockbox playlist stuff: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/playlist.c?view=log 10.57.44 # crop save plalist only happen when the playlist is playing 10.58.45 # markun: wow, impressive ! 10.58.56 # webguest89: so there is not menu entry? 10.59.20 # crop: do you have any rockbox device for see it yourself? :) 10.59.58 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 11.00.07 # webguest89: not right now 11.00.10 # crop: the playlist menu when you select a m3u file, just contain the "show playlist" string 11.00.17 # webguest89: otherwise I wouldn't ask 11.00.42 # and when you enter in it you have the playlist and all...like you are seeing the list during playback 11.01.08 # then you can edit it and all, but once you made your changes when you exit, nothing saved 11.01.41 # crop: tried simulators? 11.02.02 # hardeep is the main mr. playlist 11.02.23 # webguest89: well, I think a playlist is never saved automatically. After editing, you have to call up the context menu and select 'Save' Do you have that 'save' entry? 11.02.24 # Last seen in here a month ago 11.03.40 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 11.04.33 # crop: when don't have the save sting in this context 11.04.39 # that is the lack 11.04.48 # is hardeep here? 11.06.08 # the first playlist revision looks a little simpler than it is now I think :P 11.06.56 # hehe 11.07.14 Join webguest96 [0] (i=c0231115@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b8f56ef339f0818d) 11.07.15 # amen 11.07.17 # webguest89: the next step would be to see why the entry isn't there. Just because it's not or because it wouldn't make sense there (i.e. we're not able to save a list not being played). But I have no time to do it now. This is a good chance for you to get taste of RB. 11.07.31 # from 4205 bytes to 104237 ... heh 11.08.09 # I don't know if this could be usufull for rockbox or just for me ??? 11.08.31 # but imho have the possibility to edit any playlist could be fine 11.08.58 # * B4gder never edited a single playlist with Rockbox... 11.09.01 # crop: just need that someone code it, like always 11.09.25 # B4gder: but can you see the use, or do you think is usuless? 11.09.46 # i know people think of it a great feature 11.10.28 # I mean edit any playlist even isn't playing (thing that we don't have yet) 11.10.45 # I tihnk it can edit playlists on disk 11.10.58 # given that we don't have it and I don't even think there's a ferature-request for it, i doubt it is a very large demand 11.11.12 # JdGordon: folowed the discussion? 11.11.30 # webguest89: you can always use the text editor ;) 11.11.34 # B4gder: I don't like much fill feature request 11.11.36 # * JdGordon hasnt 11.11.37 # but I'm not shooting it down, it just is outside of what I care about 11.11.46 # there is a bug in the playlist editor, it can't save the playlist currently in use 11.12.01 # scorche: indeed, but hard when you want to move plenty tracks removes... 11.13.03 # easier with the playlist viewer 11.13.47 # IMHO editing a playlist should sit in a plugin and not in the core 11.14.21 # LinusN: you can save current playlist here, but canot save your changes when the playlist isn't playing 11.14.44 # crop: imho playlist viwer like we have now is the better way 11.14.57 # it just lak of save changes 11.15.10 # you can edit it and all, but not save 11.15.19 # webguest89: you wouldn't see much difference if it were a plugin or not 11.15.21 # how do i make a plugin a viewer? 11.15.47 # thing B4gder: more HD access no? 11.16.00 # more? 11.16.07 # a playlist will require loads of it anyway 11.16.13 # indeed 11.16.31 # but that will take a bit more time with plugin no? (time in ms) 11.16.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.16.49 # SliMM: put it in the viewers dir and add it to viewers.config 11.17.02 # I'm thiniking to properties... tha use plugin 11.17.16 # petur: i want it in the viewers dir after the make 11.17.17 # no direct infos, need to wait the disc to spin 11.17.30 # just like jpeg.rock or other viewers 11.17.40 # but time for me to resume paid works :) 11.17.46 # ba bye all 11.17.50 Quit webguest89 ("CGI:IRC") 11.20.04 # petur: any idea? 11.24.52 # SliMM: petur already answered your question... 11.25.20 # Just add it to viewers.config, the build system takes care of the rest 11.25.46 # that's it :) 11.26.08 # And how about factoring out playlist editor (for 'external' playlist) to a plugin? 11.26.13 Join nevyn [0] (n=nevyn@202.180.127.118) 11.26.51 # I've been going through the installation instructions - they tell me to install the fonts package but don'et tell me how. 11.27.14 # (sorry for the typo's - I can't see what I'm typing.) 11.28.04 # quit 11.28.05 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 11.28.06 Quit nevyn (Client Quit) 11.28.24 # that was odd :p 11.28.35 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host89-217-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 11.30.38 # nevyn: in case you can read the logs: just unzip this file to your player: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/rockbox-fonts.zip 11.32.51 Join nevyn [0] (n=nevyn@202.180.127.118) 11.33.01 # that's better... I can see what I'm typing. 11.33.07 # Is anyone around? 11.33.12 # nevyn: just unzip this file to your player: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/rockbox-fonts.zip 11.33.33 # just to the root dir? 11.33.59 # nevyn: yes 11.34.16 # nevyn: the zip file has the right folders inside 11.34.36 # Thanks.... was kind of looking blankly at the instructions... 11.35.04 # markun: have you looked at the nimbus patches? 11.36.07 # http://build.rockbox.org/cvsmod/chlog-20070425T120203Z.html - has it been discovered what caused it to use 13259-13259..? 11.36.45 # crop: oops, still not :) 11.37.04 # pondlife: bagder's hand passes over build server? :-) 11.37.08 # exit 11.37.11 # :) 11.37.12 Quit nevyn (Client Quit) 11.37.55 Join Entasis [0] (n=Jarred@ppp48-102.lns11.adl2.internode.on.net) 11.41.05 Join Br3nda [0] (n=brenda@121-73-1-165.cable.telstraclear.net) 11.41.15 # why do i get this error: 11.42.04 # \/home/user/rockbox/build_ipod/apps/plugins/gifview.o: In function `loadgif': 11.42.06 # gifview.c:(.text+0xf40): undefined reference to `memcpy' 11.42.30 # without the backslash 11.43.19 # SliMM: because the linker doesn't see memcpy? 11.44.07 # yes, yes, but i didn't get that error on sim build 11.44.22 # there is no #ifdef SIMULATOR 11.44.41 # i also see no memcpy 11.44.56 # sim uses pc implementation of memcpy, on target you only have what's available 11.45.02 # memcpy isn't called anywhere 11.45.12 # isn't it part of the plugin api? 11.45.45 # SliMM: it should be called as api->memcpy(...) 11.45.48 # gcc will be using memcpy to initialise a variable. 11.46.04 # So you need to give it an implementation - just a small wrapper function calling rb->memcpy() 11.46.31 # linuxstb: i don't get it 11.46.52 # gcc will be adding a call to memcpy on your behalf. 11.47.00 # memcpy doesn't exist, hence the problem. 11.47.24 # linuxstb: that sound weird to me too 11.47.35 # so i should declare a void memcpy();? 11.48.25 # linuxstb: gcc uses memcpy to initialsi vars? memcpy is not a part of C, how can this ever be? 11.48.26 # No, you shoulddefine "void *memcpy(void *dest, const void *src, size_t n) { rb->memcpy(dest,src,n); }" 11.50.17 # BTW, that should be ... { return rb->memcpy(dest,src,n); } 11.50.47 # crop: memcpy is definitely defined by all C standards. :) 11.51.29 # intgr: it's part of the C standard library but not of the language itselb. So I can' beleive gcc adds calls to it 11.52.12 # crop: Gcc does use memcpy internally for variable initialisation and struct copying 11.52.36 # http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer_sdk/ 11.53.20 # When an application is compiled with -ffreestanding, like rockbox, memcpy and a few other memory functions must be provided by the application 11.53.28 # thanks 11.53.28 # This is documented behaviour of gcc 11.53.58 # but why other plugins didn't get this error? 11.53.58 Quit amigan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.54.05 Join amigan [0] (i=dcp1990@unaffiliated/amigan) 11.54.10 # They don't use memcpy... 11.54.20 # I think some of them do - you'll see similar memcpy implementations. 11.54.25 # ...or if they do, they have it defined like linuxstb told 11.54.37 # amiconn: thanks for clarification. So each plugin that uses some static vars must define memcpy? 11.54.51 # No, only if gcc actually tries to use memcpy 11.55.12 # amiconn: when does it try to use memcpy? 11.55.24 # amiconn: and for is it used for? To initialise vars? Which ones? Static? 11.55.42 # Variables on stack that are initialized from static data. 11.55.51 # SliMM: You'll notice when getting erros... 11.55.52 # I presume. 11.55.56 # and by the way, i think a small flash player would work on gigabeat 11.56.06 # amiconn: lol, ok 11.56.16 # Really, it can't be predicted 11.56.18 # SliMM: Does a GPL-compatible flash player exist? 11.56.35 # There are cases where gcc uses memcpy on coldfire but not on SH, for the same C code 11.56.38 # amiconn: ok, good to know! 11.56.53 # don't know, i'm reading about the open source flash player here http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer_sdk/ 11.57.39 # SliMM: That doesn't look open source... 11.57.41 # there are some I think: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ 11.57.53 # SliMM: that one is 1) commercial 2) has a per-unit license fee 11.58.15 # Here's an example: http://rafb.net/p/rnmuWI33.html 11.58.16 # petur: i see now 11.59.04 # (The memmove() is there just to fool the compiler into initializing it as non-const) 11.59.46 Quit amigan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.59.53 Join amigan [0] (i=dcp1990@unaffiliated/amigan) 12.07.40 # crop: http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.0.4/gcc/Standards.html#Standards Check the paragraph starting "Most of the compiler support routines..." near the bottom 12.12.58 # amiconn: thanks. 12.14.29 Quit SliMM (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.15.20 # I see a weird / dangerous code in playlist_viewer.c, func playlist_viewer_ex. There is a var declared as bool ret. An later in a {} block, another var int ret is declared. And in one {} block even both are used (not factually but by intention). 12.17.05 # -Wshadow anyone? ;-) 12.18.58 # wow 12.19.04 # that causes a flood of warnings 12.19.53 # B4gder: he-he. It's not just shadow, they are bot used! As in int ret = ... and two lines below: ret = true. Which is ok C wise but I'm sure not what the author wanted 12.20.19 # B4gder: shadow, when used properly, does no harm 12.20.23 # well, by warning on shadows such stuff is normally avoided 12.21.48 # crop: your right thats naughty... but in this case it looks safe 12.21.56 # in its current form anyway 12.22.19 # hmm... maybe not 12.22.32 # if (ret < 0) 12.22.33 # { 12.22.33 # ret = true; 12.22.33 DBUG Enqueued KICK JdGordon 12.22.33 # goto exit; 12.22.33 # } 12.22.37 # WTF? thats so wrong! 12.22.47 # ! 12.23.08 # What does "svn blame" say? :) 12.23.30 # yeah, let's get name! 12.23.33 # ;-] 12.23.36 # a name even 12.23.51 # drum roll.... 12.23.54 # hardeep 12.24.05 # or kevin 12.24.20 # darn, nobody who's present 12.24.27 # no fun in public taunting then 12.24.38 # Hah, it's logged... 12.26.03 # -Wshadow causes 3929 warnings ;-) 12.26.03 Join kubiixaka [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 12.26.10 Join himitsu [0] (n=himitsu@61.213.184.226) 12.27.12 # B4gder: maybe put that compile log onto the dev ml so we can think about fixing them? 12.30.24 # B4gder: btw. I was a bit surprised that a commit to the wps folder triggered a rebuild. IIRC that wasn't the case with cvs 12.30.55 # tools/svnupcheck.pl controls that 12.31.15 # if it speaks, a rebuild triggers 12.31.25 Join elinenbe [0] (n=elinenbe@207-237-224-214.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 12.31.53 # and yes, no mentioning of wps in there 12.32.44 Quit kubiix (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 12.34.42 Quit amigan (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.41.57 # clear 12.41.59 # oops 12.43.34 # ok guys and girls how much u think a 6ft guy should weigh? 12.45.21 # steveo: Are you in the right channel? 12.45.48 # hehe well no one was talking so i asked a random question 12.45.53 # are you asking how many rockbox targets you should have? ;-) 12.46.23 # I think that answer is on the front page. 12.49.35 # JdGordon: hehe, in this particular case, if (ret < 0) ret=true will even work since <0 and true are the same when viewd as bool. But it's not a nice code 12.51.31 Nick steveo is now known as jimbo (n=steve_64@58.179.175.130) 12.51.37 Quit darkless ("Leaving") 12.51.43 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 12.51.53 Nick jimbo is now known as steveo (n=steve_64@58.179.175.130) 12.52.16 Part steveo 12.53.09 # JdGordon: interesting bin size deltas from your last commit: some go up and some go down! 12.55.28 Join [steveo] [0] (n=steve_64@58.179.175.130) 12.55.36 # <[steveo]> /msg nickserv set hide email on 12.55.39 # <[steveo]> woops 12.55.46 # kudos 12.57.32 Quit spacedout ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 13.01.57 Join PaulJam [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3147.gwdg.de) 13.02.41 # i did not get any answer yesterday, so again: 13.02.45 # www.t44.org/x5weirdnoise.zip 13.03.04 # i suspect this noise is created by harddisk access due to ground problems 13.03.20 # can anyone confirm that? is anyone else getting this type of noise 13.03.31 # recorded with an X5L with external mics 13.03.38 # sounds like hd access 13.03.40 # first the original recording, then normalized 13.03.56 # might not even be ground problems 13.04.04 # the hd emits pretty strong stuff 13.04.16 # hm yes 13.04.30 # that's the cons of recording with something that pretty much sits on top of a hard disk 13.04.32 # i wonder if there is SOME way of getting rid of that noise, its seriously annoying 13.04.47 # the only way i see if it is the disk, is recording with a higher external gain 13.04.51 # mic amp or some such 13.04.56 # to utilise all the headroom you have 13.05.16 # yes, i was recording at very low gain as i could not access the recorder during concerts 13.05.23 # so i had to guess the gain setting 13.05.36 # now with AGC working on the X5, that will be less of a problem 13.05.37 # but i don't know how loud the hd usually is on x5 13.05.43 # on h120, i can hear the hd too, when recording 13.05.57 # hm... 13.05.59 # very silent, but i can hear it 13.06.02 # i must open up the x5 at some point 13.06.09 # and see if there is room for any mods 13.06.19 # for example shielding between harddisk and PCB 13.06.25 # on the bright side, you shouldn't get the noise too often 13.06.30 # depends what format you record to, of course 13.06.46 # uncompressed wave usually 13.07.08 # i need maximum battery capacity, the question is what uses more: compressing the data or accessing the harddisk more often 13.07.21 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/session) 13.07.21 # and a good question it is 13.07.34 # do 10 recordings with each and tell us the outcome! 13.07.50 # but with that noise, i'd go for wavpack anyway 13.07.56 # better quality recordings > battery time 13.08.18 # that might be a good idea, i need to do some long recordings anyway to try to localize the FAT-corruption bug i had the first time... 13.08.45 # preglow, well, if i miss half the festival because of empty batteries it wont do much good :) 13.09.22 # i seem to get the noise pretty often... do you know how much the X5 will buffer before writing to disk? 13.09.26 # preglow: will there be HD artifacts if an external mic or line is is used? 13.09.38 # crop, i AM using an external mic with a preamp 13.09.45 # heres my setup: 13.09.51 # crop: sure 13.09.54 # Topy44: The X5 has 16MB RAM, so I'm guessing it will write about 13MB-14MB at a time. 13.09.55 # crop: but less than with internal mic, ig uess 13.09.57 # www.t44.org/x5equipment.jpg 13.10.27 # well, the internal mic will get actual noise from the harddisk, all i'm getting with the external mic is electrical interference 13.10.33 # preglow: how does the signal from the HD gets into the sound? Are the two circuits connected? 13.10.46 # crop: everything in a dap is connected 13.10.51 # the internal mic is very sensitive and not decoupled from the unit, so it directly records the vibrations of the hd 13.10.55 # crop: but with a hd, you get some pretty strong em radation too 13.11.06 # radiation, yes 13.11.25 # i will open up my x5 and try adding shielding, and meaby some filtering caps on the hd power lines 13.11.37 # meaby adding a ferrite around its data cable aswell 13.11.41 # something like that 13.11.44 # worth a shot 13.11.53 # (IF i can fit it, i guess its gonna be VERY tight inside the unit 13.11.54 # ) 13.11.55 # the power line probably already has caps, though 13.12.01 # and you don't really need to filter a battery that much 13.12.11 # but anywho, always worth a shot 13.12.34 # i really like the x5, and i mainly use it for recording, but with that noise... thats not much fun 13.12.48 # you could try getting something else 13.12.53 # never got that loud noise with h1x0 13.13.00 # well, the problem is: 13.13.01 # it's audible, but not that bad 13.13.06 # i just bought the x5 a few weeks ago 13.13.08 # brand new 13.13.09 # but 13.13.15 # i let it drop the first day :) 13.13.16 # :( 13.13.22 # so it got a ugly scratch 13.13.29 # so i couldnt sell it at the price i paid 13.13.43 # heh 13.13.45 # You can't fit ferrite around the data cable 13.13.49 # Absolutely no room 13.13.53 # well, having two rockbox capable devices is surely never a bad idea :) 13.13.57 # yeah, expected that 13.14.14 # preglow, i seriously blew my budget with my recording equipment as it is already :) 13.14.41 # well, at least that can be reused :) 13.15.08 # no, i'll stick to my x5 for the moment 13.16.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.16.59 # how can shielding work when there isn't a "true 13.17.06 # " earth to ground it to? 13.17.23 Quit RaRe` ("The Evolution of Medicine - 2000 BC - Here, eat this root. 1000 AD - That root is heathen. Here, say this prayer. 1850 AD - T) 13.17.27 Quit Br3nda (Connection timed out) 13.18.33 # you don't need actual ground, do you? 13.18.51 # just wire it to - or something 13.18.55 # not an expert, though 13.19.11 # have to be careful if doing that, though :> 13.20.06 # I'm not an expert - I was as much curious on technique. 13.23.37 Join RaRe [0] (n=Laffin_B@202-89-187-101.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) 13.27.36 Part pondlife ("lunch...") 13.36.17 Quit crop ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 13.41.55 Quit webguest96 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 13.44.29 # Are there any MP3 players that boot straight off USB? Because I think mine does that during firmware update. 13.45.31 # intgr: boot off of USB? 13.46.47 # Yeah. 13.46.48 # Because it appears to be loading something onto the device in "recovery mode" before you can actually flash the ROM. 13.50.02 Quit RaRe ("Quit msgs should be longer.") 13.53.00 Join RaRe [0] (n=Laffin_B@202-89-187-101.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) 14.00.19 Join ctaf [0] (n=ctaf@ram94-6-82-242-23-70.fbx.proxad.net) 14.01.02 Part ctaf 14.01.06 Quit petur ("worrrk") 14.04.23 Quit RaRe ("Quit msgs should be longer.") 14.07.10 Join webguest96 [0] (i=c0231115@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 14.07.11 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484A478.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.11.38 # "boot" as in blindly use the PC as a device is unlikely 14.12.02 # doing some funny sending over data is more likely 14.13.00 # like the sansa's manufacture mode 14.17.10 Quit PaulJam (".") 14.18.56 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@m34.net81-65-114.noos.fr) 14.19.05 Part kaaloo 14.19.15 # warning: declaration of ‘write’ shadows a global declaration <- scary warning! 14.20.09 # our code have that all over the place 14.20.39 Join PaulJam [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3147.gwdg.de) 14.25.03 # B4gder: What kind of scrambling do companies actually use for their firmware? 14.25.41 # from nothing, over just a checksum added, to XOR/ADD tricks to hard encryptions with digital signatures 14.26.02 Join RaRe [0] (n=Laffin_B@202-89-187-101.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) 14.26.50 # How much of the latter? 14.27.19 # the most modern players seem to use the hardest encryptions/signatures 14.27.31 # zune/gigabeat S, ipod nano 2nd gen are hard 14.27.37 # Mine is at least 4 years old. 14.28.22 Join amigan [0] (i=dcp1990@unaffiliated/amigan) 14.28.27 # sandisk sansas use TEA encryption with a DSA signature 14.28.48 # luckily, with a few mistakes(?) done 14.29.09 # Heh, yeah, that's what you get for security through obscurity. :) 14.29.51 # I wouldn't call TEA+DSA "security through obscurity" 14.30.03 # But wasn't the bootloader unencrypted for the Sansa? i.e. giving you both the algorithm and the key... 14.30.06 # TEA and DSA theirselves aren't obscure; the implementation is. 14.30.45 # themselves* 14.30.49 # yes, the bootloader was/is unencrypted so they kind of showed their cards 14.30.58 # Hehe. 14.31.19 # Hmm, actually I can find plain ASCII strings in the .bin files of mine. Should try changing them. 14.31.28 # linuxstb: If there wouldn't be unencrypted code together with the unencrypted key, the unit couldn't boot... 14.32.16 # amiconn: I'm talking about the copy of the bootloader which is on the disk prior to flashing. 14.32.25 # On the 2nd gen Nano for example, that's encrypted. 14.32.34 # they could've left the unencrypted stuff on a flash 14.32.39 # which makes things harder 14.32.47 # So there should always be a way to break encrypted firmware. How hard it is depends on how hard the manufacturer tries to protect this unencrypted stuff 14.32.48 Quit SirFunk (Success) 14.32.59 # not really 14.33.11 # the zune has built-in encryption 14.33.14 # If it's in the flash, you need to unsolder the flash and read it out 14.33.14 # and keys 14.33.29 # as burnt fuses 14.33.31 # That'll get hard if the flash is epoxied to the board 14.33.42 # With some chips you can lock the flash ROM, e.g. make the ROM unreadable. 14.33.46 # ...and even hard if it's internal to the cpu 14.34.01 # Well, most chips I would presume. 14.34.34 # intgr: The cpu does have to read the flash at some point, meaning it is possible to unlock. And standard flash roms aren't locked 14.34.49 # intgr: the chips are normally external so the CPU needs to read them 14.34.53 # somehow 14.35.45 # amiconn: Some chips only have embedded ROM that can be protected from being read by anything else than the chip itself. 14.36.14 # But anyway, got to go. 14.37.09 # Yes, sure, see 7 lines above 14.39.51 Quit PaulJam (".") 14.40.29 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 14.45.49 Join crop [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 14.46.29 # I asked this before but got no answer. In some files, the copyright note was changed (after a significant change on the file). Is this legal? 14.46.58 # crop: I think normally you would just add a copyright 14.47.29 Quit Soap (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.48.00 Join Soap [0] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 14.48.31 # would be so nice if we could just assign (c) on all files to rockbox.org or something.. so we dont have to worry about it 14.50.33 # crop: yes it is 14.50.42 # JdGordon: it would take some effort to do that 14.53.44 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 14.53.44 # * B4gder is in the core team in Subversion and I get to see what it takes to make a full non-profit company with everything 14.54.09 Join webguest00 [0] (i=c2539d0a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 14.54.19 Quit webguest00 (Client Quit) 15.02.44 Quit [steveo] () 15.09.33 Quit Shaid ("I will see you, in the end. And I will laugh at your pain...") 15.15.53 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 15.16.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.19.08 Quit webguest96 ("CGI:IRC") 15.19.13 # B4gder: but can you do it just so? Or do you have to get the permission from the original copyright holder? 15.20.49 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@admin-147-222.potsdam.edu) 15.21.48 # crop: Do you have an example of such a commit? Was any of the original code left? 15.22.40 # well, if you add enough content of your own, or perhaps merge two files into one, I'd say that is the natural thing to do 15.23.13 # But I wouldn't expect the original author to now not have any copyright claim to that file. 15.23.30 # it'll be a combined work 15.23.32 # Or, more clearly, I would expect the original author to still have some copyright claim. 15.23.41 # yes, of his/her parts 15.24.04 # But I think crop is saying that there's been commits where the original author's name has been replaced by the new author. 15.24.37 # oh 15.24.43 # linuxstb: exactly 15.25.05 # that has happened because 1) the original copyright text was wrong 2) the contents has no longer anything left from the original author 15.25.05 # That's what I didn't like 15.25.21 # the (1) case has happened numerous times in rockbox 15.25.57 # or 3) an evil commit 15.26.12 # B4gder: I think at least one line of code was retained. So the original author should still be mentioned 15.26.38 # yes, I think there should be little reasons not to keep the original author almost no matter what we do 15.26.50 # B4gder: I found it to be 3) 15.27.17 # so which commit are we talking about? 15.28.44 # Can't remember exactly. But I have a name in my head. But don't like to tell it (here). 15.29.05 # well, PM B4gder about it or something 15.29.18 # Do all the files have to bear a copyright note? Some bdf files don't 15.29.20 # we take these matters seriously 15.30.58 # * JdGordon thinks he may have done a naughty (c) commit or two at the begninig of is days 15.34.02 Quit Entasis (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.34.41 Join lowlight [0] (i=c730190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 15.38.11 # Code police notified ;-) 15.41.04 # you'll never take me alive!@!! 15.41.21 # JdGordon: What makes you think they want to? 15.41.34 # hmm.. good point 15.41.37 # :'( 15.41.39 # ;) 15.41.48 # linuxstb: he-he 15.45.37 # JdGordon: hey, maybe it's not even you (is it me?) 15.47.18 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B14997.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.48.55 # Is it possible to query SVN for commits that changed lines with certain numbers? Then we could easily find such commits 15.49.12 Part TrueJournals 15.49.30 # crop: you can use svn blame filename 15.49.42 # and it'll tell you who last modified a line and in which commit 15.49.57 # AFAIK it doesn't show deleted stuff though 15.50.24 # right, it shows the currently existing lines and in what rev they were changed and by whom 15.51.19 # We could use SVN xxx | grep (c). But what should stand instead xxx? 15.51.43 # log? 15.51.55 # no, I guess not 15.52.56 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 15.53.14 # markun: diff to the initial version? 15.54.08 # You could do "svn annotate file", see what revision the (C) line was last modified, and see if that differs from the first revision of the file. 15.54.09 # markun: and then grep 15.56.35 # cant we just say all files are (c) all the people in the credits file? 15.57.30 # linuxstb: what does svn annotate do? 15.57.46 # blame and annotate is the same 15.58.00 # annotate is friendlier though... 15.58.09 # Is there an "svn praise" ? 15.58.18 # Afaik there is 15.58.25 # JdGordon: I think no since the copyright is not shared (or gained) by the simple fact of contribution (even to that file) 15.58.29 # Those crazy subversion people... 15.58.39 # blame (praise, annotate, ann) 15.58.46 # It's also an alias for annotate 15.59.23 # perhaps we should just make it rule that we never remove copyright names 15.59.41 # that's perhaps the easiest 15.59.52 # and that you're free to add your own if you think you've done a large contribution to a file 16.00.01 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 16.00.49 # B4gder: yes, that sounds sensible 16.01.03 # B4gder: It's still unclear what to do if you invent new files with large portions of code from other files 16.01.10 # true 16.01.16 # ...e.g. when splitting stuff for target tree 16.01.21 # amiconn: then you should add the names from those files 16.01.32 # amiconn: keep the names 16.01.36 # yes, to be consistent you should add the names from those files 16.01.46 # amiconn: and add yours 16.01.59 # well, if you want to 16.02.07 # If it's mainly just a split, I just took the copyright lines from the old files 16.03.15 # amiconn: IMHO it's up to you to add your name. If you don't like the don't but IMO you have all rights in that case since we have a new 'copyright entity' 16.04.10 # (e.g. the sh1 adc split) 16.04.17 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.07.38 # What is the copyright used for? To ask for permission to do things with the code which are not covered by the license? 16.07.50 # yes 16.08.17 # i just opened up my X5L, and in fact, there is plenty of space in it for modding stuff 16.08.38 # at least its not nearly as packed as i expected it 16.10.42 # ... but that doesnt make sense... because the person at the top of the page only did the initial work, lots of people hold copyright to the file 16.10.59 Quit pearldiver (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.11.00 # JdGordon: what doesn't make sense? 16.11.23 Join Pz [0] (n=Tux@cpe-065-184-171-134.ec.res.rr.com) 16.11.26 # "To ask for permission to do things with the code which are not covered by the license?" being the reason for the (c) message 16.11.26 # to only assign it to a few people and not all? 16.11.31 # Is it possible to make a custom rockbox splash screen? 16.12.09 # JdGordon: well, maybe he can just use the code written by the copyright holders then and has to remove the other commits :) 16.12.13 # Also.. my rockbox doesn't look anything like this http://www.alwaysbeta.com/wp-content/uploads/smcbride/rockbox/ipod_0.jpg 16.12.28 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 16.12.28 # JdGordon: tot eh? ;) 16.12.39 Part LinusN 16.12.46 # Pz: and do you want it to look like that? 16.12.51 # i just removed the harddisk with the stuck-on second battery 16.12.56 # really weird construction 16.13.07 # and: 16.13.14 # markun, yes... currently, mine is just a greyish, text only deal 16.13.23 # well, that's the default 16.13.32 # there is NO shielding AT ALL between harddisk and PCB! 16.13.47 # Topy44: maybe the hdd case is the shield? 16.13.55 # * JdGordon heading tot eh bed.. cyaz 16.14.00 # JdGordon: good night 16.14.09 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 16.14.26 # markun, do you know where i can get it to be like that? is that a theme or something? 16.14.29 # markun, certainly, to a degree... 16.14.47 # Pz: yes, those are themes, let me look up a link for you. 16.14.54 # markun, dank je 16.14.59 # :P 16.15.02 Join marc [0] (n=marc@114.164.79.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 16.15.03 # Pz: geen dank :) 16.15.08 # the X5L really IS a strange construction... with the 2 indipendant batterys, one being 3x the size of the other... 16.15.16 # and just stuck onto the harddisk 16.15.19 # Pz: but lets continue in english 16.15.33 # Pz: here are some http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=320x240x16 16.15.38 # ty 16.15.47 # my left button doesnt work on my ipod anymore :( 16.15.54 # for some you may need to use an unofficial build 16.16.16 # Topy44: Yes, the L models have a secondary battery that's just wired in parallel. The smaller one is the only battery of the non-L models 16.16.24 # amiconn, i know 16.16.39 # This does apply to all the coldfire based hdd players from cowon, i.e. iAudio M3, M5 and X5 16.17.04 Quit kubiixaka ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 16.17.21 # there is enough space in the unit that it might be possible to place a ferrite around the datacable - if i could find one exactly the right size 16.17.28 # not sure if it would help anything though :) 16.17.30 # markun, oh, i cant use those.. i am on a nano 16.17.50 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 16.17.50 # http://www.rockbox-themes.org/ 16.17.58 # there are also nano themes 16.18.10 # ty 16.20.56 # i wonder which part is the DAC... wiring in shielded cables from line in to dac would probably help 16.21.31 # Topy44: what are you trying to fix? 16.21.51 # some noise during playback/recording? 16.21.51 # markun: www.t44.org/x5weirdnoise.zip 16.21.56 # during recording, yes 16.22.03 # caused by harddisk access probably 16.22.57 # markun, is there a way to make it so that i can press another button to go back instead of rewind? i can use the touch feature, just not the click feature for rewind 16.24.07 # markun, got any suggestions? 16.24.29 # Pz: You can change the source, but Rockbox has enough problems with lack of buttons on the ipod already, it won't be easy to make do with one less... But see apps/keymaps/keymap-ipod.c 16.24.31 # Topy44: no, sorry 16.24.55 # linuxstb, :( n/m 16.25.26 Quit marc| (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.26.30 # hm! 16.26.33 # i wonder... 16.26.50 # if i would exchange positions of the secondary battery and the harddisk 16.27.00 # the battery would be between the harddisk and the pcb 16.27.04 # that might help 16.27.24 # the data cable looks long enough, should still fit in 16.30.16 Quit Guile (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.32.46 # hmm, which versions include rockboy? 16.33.26 # fits in! 16.34.14 # now, lets do some testing... 16.35.13 # it doesn't list .gb files in the file viewer 16.36.31 # What do you have the "show files" setting set to? Also, are you using the "current build" of Rockbox - rockboy was only added for the Nano recently. 16.37.02 Part B4gder 16.37.37 # Does anyone have a 68k binutils lying around? 16.39.01 # so, i just successfully modded my x5 - now lets check if it helps anything :) 16.39.38 # intgr: Why not just build it from source? The CrossCompiler wiki page tells you how. 16.40.08 # Because I don't have Cygwin installed here and I don't even know if I'm going to need it. 16.40.21 # And I'm anxious to know whether it decompiles. :) 16.40.25 # So what do you have? 16.40.43 # Two .bin files I'd like disassembled. 16.40.56 # I mean in terms of environment... 16.41.17 # Ah, just the output of an 'objdump -rld' 16.42.03 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF58EB.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.42.22 Join kkurbjun [0] (n=kkurbjun@c-71-56-227-141.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 16.42.50 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m180.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 16.46.23 # hm... 16.46.34 # when i am recording, i use an external mic preamp 16.46.50 # with seperate gain and output controls 16.47.01 # now, what gain should i set the X5 to? 16.48.36 # as my goal is to record with as much headroom and dynamic range, and as little noise as possible 16.49.20 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.49.45 # hm, the x5 IS pretty noisy really... 16.53.00 # hmm, meaby i'm mistaken, but it seems turning around harddisk and battery INCREASED the noise... 16.55.33 # no, it didnt 16.55.36 # its just still the same 16.55.44 # and i am now sure that its from the harddisk 16.55.56 # and its also audible during playback, but only if set to VERY high levels 16.57.32 # a really flat ferrite might really help 16.57.57 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 17.00.37 Quit crop ("CGI:IRC") 17.00.57 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 17.02.29 # Topy44: If the noise is induced due to bad grounding instead of bad shielding you're out of luck. Changing that would require changing the wiring on the pcb, which isn't possible 17.02.49 # thats what i'm afraid of 17.03.02 # i am currently recording ONLY the noise, at maximum gain 17.03.19 # to look at the characteristics of it a little closer 17.03.39 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@avc146.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 17.03.41 # it appears about every 10,5 mb 17.04.06 # there is some basic hiss aswell, but thats not as disturbing 17.04.43 # uuuh 17.04.57 # there is an even higher frequency noise as soon the supack is connected 17.05.25 # and very faint mains humm when the power supply is connected 17.06.06 # my custom made cable does not make any noise 17.06.24 # hm... some more ideas. 17.07.22 Quit yoho (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.11.20 # hm... 17.11.36 # the noise is very regular and has a distinct pattern... it might be possible to filter it 17.11.53 # it really looks like digital noise to me actually... 17.12.23 Join ctaf [0] (n=ctaf@ram94-6-82-242-23-70.fbx.proxad.net) 17.12.38 Part ctaf 17.13.49 # its made up of blocks of about 40ms, in groups of 10 blocks, with 15ms pauses in between 17.14.06 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 17.14.21 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484A478.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.14.46 # and the noise is REALLY high frequency, every sample has a completely different value, so its basicly 44khz noise... but its not uniform, so you can hear lower frequency stuff going on 17.16.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.17.54 # www.t44.org/x5-justnoise.zip 17.18.05 # normalize it to hear it, or just zoom in to look at it 17.19.01 Quit Arathis (Client Quit) 17.20.12 # hm! 17.20.43 # Anyone know why .gb files don't show up in file viewer? 17.21.53 # Pz: Last time you asked, I said: What do you have the "show files" setting set to? Also, are you using the "current build" of Rockbox - rockboy was only added for the Nano recently. 17.22.16 # Yes, I am using the current build. Let me check on the show files 17.23.22 # supported 17.24.00 # [17:02] Topy44: If the noise is induced due to bad grounding instead of bad shielding you're out of luck. Changing that would require changing the wiring on the pcb, which isn't possible 17.24.10 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-075-177-158-190.nc.res.rr.com) 17.24.14 # yes, i think its a ground problem 17.24.24 # Pz: set it to 'all' as a work around 17.24.33 # i will now open the x5 again, and put the harddisk as far from the unit as the cable allows 17.24.38 # markun: "supported" doesn't work? 17.24.41 # and start it up 17.24.50 # ok, i changed it to 'all' and clicked on it, but it had no effect 17.24.56 # linuxstb: well, he had it on supported and they didn't show up, right? 17.24.59 # if the noise stays the same, its definately caused by ground problems, not shielding 17.25.32 # Pz: Do you have rockboy.rock in .rockbox/viewers/ ? And do you have a line for .gb files in .rockbox/viewers.config ? 17.25.32 # This is the firmware I am using: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ipodnano/rockbox-ipodnano.zip 17.26.59 # Yes, I have a rockboy.rock, gb,viewers/rockboy,6 gbc,viewers/rockboy,6 17.27.31 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 17.27.33 # Then it should be working... If you do a long-press on select when selecting a .gb file, can you choose "open with" and then rockboy? 17.28.40 # returned error 17.29.57 # I've no idea then... Do you have music playing? 17.29.58 Quit Topy44 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.30.22 Join Topy44 [0] (n=Topy44@xdsl-81-173-147-207.netcologne.de) 17.30.37 # argh, disconnect 17.30.38 # anyway: 17.30.43 # confirmed: its a ground problem 17.30.51 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484a478.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.33.07 # whoops 17.33.14 # was a gba game.. didnt notice 17.34.34 # those will probably never run on an ipod nano 17.37.01 # i just connected the 20gb harddisk of another mp3 player i have 17.37.13 # lets see if the volume or length of the noise changes 17.37.21 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 17.38.25 # hmm, are there any homebrew plugins out there? 17.38.46 # btw, that other player is another player that would be nice supporting... its a portalplayer based chinese model sold in germany under the "medion" brand 17.38.59 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484a478.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.39.03 # its quite common, and its OF sucks A LOT 17.40.49 # the original model is "HannStar K MV-7" as marked on the PCB, its sold here as "medion MD95200" or "md220" (it has two different model names on the box and on the unit... 17.40.50 # ) 17.41.03 # markun: I noticed you said "ipod nano", and not Rockbox... Do you have plans? 17.41.27 # want foken met de markun is en zelfmoordpogin 17.41.29 # :D 17.41.52 # linuxstb: not really :) I just thought the portalplayer wouldn't be powerful enough 17.42.23 # Pz: I didn't realise it was you. Did you change your nick is is my memory just very bad? 17.42.39 # oh, and there is a 100% firmware compatible model called "md440", only the controls are slightly different (a zen-like touch-"bar" instead of an ipod like touch-"wheel") 17.42.55 # markun, changed my nick :P 17.43.09 # markun, well, got disconnected and this was my default nick 17.44.34 # linuxstb: I don't understand this http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_12_2/roku-m1000-media-player-5-2005.html 17.44.52 # "In all cases, the lossless file is decompressed on the computer and transmitted as LPCM to the M1000." 17.45.21 # they have a 400MHz Blackfin and think it's better to decode the files on a separate server? 17.46.36 Join Soul-Slayer [0] (n=jonno@89.240.249.38) 17.46.47 # markun: It sounds like the device doesn't do the decoding, so that it can support more formats. 17.47.02 # That way they don't have to be bothered with supporting them, just demand the computer do it. 17.47.36 # Isn't part of the soundbridge open source? I don't know if that's the server software, or the firmware though... 17.48.06 # linuxstb: It says it can play with Windows Media Connect, for WMA lossless 17.48.19 # *sigh* no change... 17.48.31 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host106-216-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 17.48.36 # So somewhere along the way it can talk to proprietary software. 17.48.58 # Does ipod have a built in microphone? 17.49.02 # No 17.49.27 # Oh, you have to hook one up to get the voice stuff working? 17.49.37 # Apple would make you buy the lcd separately if they could get away with it... 17.50.38 # well, they DO sell the ipod shuffle... :) 17.50.40 # linuxstb: Don't say that, or they'll start offering upgrade kits for make the Shuffle into a Nano-equivalent.r 17.50.44 # I'm considering buying a new DAP, and now I'm so accustomed to Rockbox I'm more interested in getting one that supports it... Does anyone know which target would be best to run Rockbox stably, largish colour screen and large capacity? 17.50.45 # ok, no lcd available for it... 17.50.59 # Soul-Slayer: Gigabeat F or X series 17.51.34 # Thank you, I'll look into them 17.52.57 # What is the difference between the F and X series? 17.54.08 Quit Pz (Remote closed the connection) 17.55.10 # What they look like. 17.55.21 # Soul-Slayer: The X is very hard to find, so it's probably irrelevent... 17.55.31 # The X has a slightly larger screen, though the same number of pixels, and a slightly smaller case 17.55.37 # It also *might* have a slightly smaller battery 17.55.38 # Fair enough - The F seems to be pretty elusive right now too, lol. 17.55.58 # There were a large number on ebay last time I checked (a few days ago). 17.56.12 # Everyone who bought one for $99 just so they could sell it for $150 17.56.13 # I trust the number following the F/X refers to it's capacity? 17.56.20 # Yup 17.56.40 # Note that if you're looking to upgrade the disk in the future, the F10/20 have smaller cases than the F40/60 17.56.55 # So all of them are supported with Rockbox? I'm not going to run into a problem like the 80gb ipod? 17.57.00 # Nope 17.57.07 # As in "no you won't run into a problem" 17.57.10 # Since you asked two questions. 17.57.11 # Great, okay 17.57.17 # True, sorry, lol. 17.57.32 # The 80gb iPod is more or less a special case. 17.57.34 # Soul-Slayer: don't buy the Gigabeat S by mistake 17.57.53 # it might be supported in future, but it isn't right now 17.58.00 # Okay, thank you 17.58.20 # I remember a while back people were praising the H3XX, has the Gigabeat overtaken that now? 17.58.35 # Or is it a question of preference? 17.58.44 # It's a matter of what you want from a device 17.58.50 # You listed a large color screen and high capacity 17.59.10 Quit datachild (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.59.11 # The Gigabeat has a much faster processor, so is capable of more things - e.g. video playback, playing games like rockboy and pacbox at the same time as listening to music. 17.59.17 # Soul-Slayer: the Gigabeat doesn't have recording or FM radio 17.59.27 # Yes, that's important, I currently have a 6gb H10, which has neither of those. 17.59.28 # The Gigabeat also has twice the display area (in pixels) of the H300 17.59.35 # That's fine, I have my H10 for recording and radio 17.59.49 # Interesting. 18.00.07 # PHEW! i just thought i lost a screw 18.00.38 # What about chances of 'bricking' a player whilst putting rockbox on? Do either players require flashing? 18.01.15 # The h300 requires flashing, but afaik, no-one has ever bricked one with Rockbox. 18.01.30 # With the Gigabeat, they're fairly safe. If you do something wrong, they're recoverable, though it requires opening them and disconnecting the disk as a step, but you shouldn't ever get to that point 18.01.44 # As long as you follow the instructions it's just a file copy 18.01.57 # Okay, great :) 18.02.07 # * Topy44 likes his basicly un-brickable x5 :) 18.02.10 # Time to hunt ebay for F series Gigabeats then :p. 18.03.02 # Oh yes, one more issue, battery life 18.03.04 # Soul-Slayer: I think around $100 USD is the going rate for an F40. 18.03.20 # I think it's around 15-16h 18.03.39 # Great :p I'm used to getting like 4 hours on my H10 18.04.38 # So that would be around £50? That's very cheap :o 18.05.29 # Oh wow, you were right, ebay is swarmed with F40s, lol 18.06.25 # A US store was selling them new for $99 a couple of weeks ago... 18.06.42 # so, my x5 and md220 are back in one bit again 18.07.06 # I'll check a few electrical stores aswell as ebay then 18.07.51 # They sold out in about 24 hours. 18.08.43 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 18.08.43 # Youch... That popular? 18.09.59 # Well the price before then was US130-180 for a new one 18.10.08 # So 99 was pretty good 18.13.13 Join jamcem [0] (i=57ea8a15@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9874a0441ed8d5b9) 18.15.34 Quit linuxstb ("Client Exiting") 18.16.52 Part jamcem 18.21.43 Join Guile [0] (n=Guile@88-136-189-207.adslgp.cegetel.net) 18.21.58 Quit Guile (Client Quit) 18.23.27 # umh... is there a propper carrying bag for the X5L? 18.23.37 # one that has a hole for the subpack connector 18.24.51 Join Guile [0] (n=Guile@88-136-189-207.adslgp.cegetel.net) 18.31.47 Quit pondlife ("disconnected has pondlife") 18.32.44 Join Insectoid [0] (n=boinkboi@169.139.251.251) 18.32.46 Join nikkyd [0] (n=chatzill@59.93.209.193) 18.32.47 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust362.winn.cable.ntl.com) 18.33.14 # Hi all .. I wanna know if I will be able to pass lock an ATA HDD by atapwd ? 18.33.25 Join vertic23 [0] (n=email@dslb-084-057-236-110.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.33.25 Nick vertic23 is now known as _vertic23 (n=email@dslb-084-057-236-110.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.33.25 Nick _vertic23 is now known as vertic23 (n=email@dslb-084-057-236-110.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.33.35 # Is it possible? 18.33.38 # hi 18.33.42 # HI 18.33.59 # I am looking for new headphones - my broke today 18.34.09 # Is it possible to passlock an ATA HDD by atapswd? 18.34.22 # anyone got a suggestion? 18.34.33 # vertic23, koss the plug 18.34.43 # (NOT "the spark", the new version, they suck) 18.34.56 # and mod them (close the vent holes with glue or tape) 18.34.58 # http://www.amazon.de/Koss-Audio-Video-Eletronics-156407/dp/B00001P4XA 18.35.07 # This channel isn't really appropriate for headphones discussion 18.35.13 # Try perhaps the Head-fi forums. 18.35.17 # thanks Llorean for telling 18.35.27 # Please help me ? 18.35.38 # nikkyd: Nobody knows. 18.35.45 # At least, nobody here right now 18.35.46 # vertic23, for the price, they are the best you can get. if you want something better, you will have to spend a LOT more money 18.36.00 # but unmodded, they sound terribly muddy 18.36.00 # can't believe that :P 18.36.02 # It's an old tool, and you're asking if it can be used for a purpose other than what it's used for in relation to Rockbox. 18.36.10 # well my Sony that broke were about 25€ 18.36.14 # Topy44: As I said, this is not an appropriate channel 18.36.15 # or was it 50€? 18.36.16 # Please take it to PMs 18.36.18 # Why .. so .. afterall it is there on your pass? 18.36.24 # Llorean, sorry 18.36.25 # :O 18.36.28 # Llorean you got a better channel? 18.36.33 # I am really taken aback 18.36.41 # vertic23: This is #Rockbox, it's for discussion of the Rockbox firmware. 18.36.45 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 18.36.55 # Is there any new tool to do these? 18.37.02 # nikkyd: That page was last modified 4 years ago 18.37.06 # :O 18.37.08 # nikkyd: And that tool is for removing a password. 18.37.17 # IS there any new tool ... yes.. 18.37.26 # I wanna assign pass 18.37.27 # So? 18.37.34 # So, your question has nothing to do with Rockobx 18.37.46 # exactly - please leave nikkyd 18.37.49 # I want to pass protect an ATA HDD ... but can you please help me .. please .. 18.37.53 # no! 18.37.54 # Okey 18.37.57 # this is rockbox chat 18.37.59 # :( 18.38.02 # don't you get it? 18.38.03 # BYeee 18.38.08 # faster! 18.38.10 # Yeah ... okey 18.38.13 # :D 18.38.15 # Ha ha 18.38.16 # vertic23: Seriously, lighten up 18.38.17 # Funy 18.38.19 # still there 18.38.22 # Faster .. :P 18.38.24 # !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 18.38.29 # Thats not a good manner 18.38.31 # lol 18.38.33 # indeed 18.38.39 # lofl 18.38.41 # we don't talk about rockbox - pls stfu 18.38.43 # (moments where this channels could use operators...) 18.38.49 # -s 18.39.02 # Ha ha .. okey guys and gals 18.39.06 # Have a nice time 18.39.07 # Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee 18.39.17 # N00b w00t 18.39.25 # HA hah 18.39.29 # lol 18.39.33 # stfu 18.39.41 # w00tty n00bs 18.40.15 # la la 18.40.35 # few w00tty n00bs here .. lol .. they even dont know good manners .. lol 18.40.44 # nikkyd: Clearly you're one of them 18.40.48 # :P 18.40.53 # Ha ha .. not realy 18.40.55 # You know why 18.40.56 # nikkyd: You neither read the channel guidelines nor seem to respect them 18.41.06 # WAo .. bao to all of you 18.41.09 # :P 18.41.14 # RESPECT .. lol 18.41.44 # well .... have a nice time and dont need to wave the sword of administration .. lol 18.41.45 # Ha ha ha 18.41.50 # byeeeeeeeee n00bs 18.41.55 # :P 18.42.14 # hm... i have an idea for a workaround for my harddisk access noise problem... rockbox COULD try to do the writes during peaks where the noise would be inaudible 18.42.25 Quit nikkyd ("ChatZilla 0.9.78 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 18.42.31 # that would be a lot of work for such a speciality feature though :) 18.42.55 # Topy44: Is there noise on line-in recordings? 18.42.58 # yes 18.43.03 # during hd write 18.43.33 Part Llorean 18.43.50 # i took apart my x5 and did a lot of testing, its clearly not coming from bad shielding, probably its due to bad grounding or meaby the signal line is simply going to close the data lines on the pcb... 18.44.06 # but since you are not here i dont know why exactly i'm telling you this. 18.44.06 # :) 18.45.14 # I am interested 18.45.20 # beacause I have a X5V 18.45.45 # aah 18.45.47 # well: 18.46.03 # i took the x5 apart and did a LOT of testing around... and nothing influenced the noise 18.46.15 # could you do me a favor? 18.46.30 # ...first tell 18.46.32 # then I decide hehe 18.46.33 # start rockbox, set to uncompressed wave 18.46.37 # go into recording mode 18.46.40 # ok 18.46.54 # set gain to maximum 18.47.06 # (set source to line in before of course) 18.47.18 # record until the file is at least about 12mb 18.47.41 # that should take quite exactly one minute 18.47.57 # it buffers about 10-11mb before writing 18.48.03 # 20 db?` 18.48.05 # gain 18.48.38 # uh? 18.48.43 # i cant go above 12db 18.48.51 # did you set source to line in? 18.48.54 # nop 18.48.56 # now+ 18.49.10 # that's the internal mic gain setting... 18.49.14 # volume? 18.49.18 # doesnt matter 18.49.41 # do I need to plug some line-in in? 18.49.43 # :P 18.49.48 # or just record 18.49.50 # nope, just record silence 18.49.53 Join Juice^ [0] (n=Juice@213.167.96.196) 18.50.03 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-071-027.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.50.07 # ok I am on the way 18.50.11 # ok 18.50.56 # did you set it to uncompressed? mp3 or similar will take forever to fill up the buffer :) 18.51.02 # hehe 18.51.06 # I saw the hdd writings 18.51.11 # ah ok :) 18.51.12 # there was noise 18.51.20 # at about 10 mb 18.51.23 # exactly 18.51.29 # do you have a wave editor? 18.51.32 # yes 18.51.45 # could you just cut out the noisy part and send it to me? 18.52.11 # it has to be an uncompressed wave though, mp3 would probably just silence it out 18.52.28 # but it should compress fine with zip or rar 18.53.15 # i want to compare it to the noise my x5l recorded, especially the exact volume of it... i wonder if there are big variations between units or if its always the same 18.53.20 # hmm 18.53.29 # I don't see any peaks in my waveeditor 18.53.30 # the first would mean that it might be possible to improve 18.53.37 # you wouldnt, they are to faint 18.53.44 # lol... 18.53.54 # but it was like at the beginning some "szzSHHSZzmmm" 18.53.54 Quit lowlight ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 18.54.02 # I can send you that 18.54.14 # at the beginning? no, it should be at 10mb 18.54.25 # if you dont mind, just send me the whole file 18.54.51 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484a478.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.55.04 # (zip it or so before) 18.55.44 # oh, lol... 15 mb compressed to 3 18.55.56 Quit pondlife ("disconnected has pondlife") 18.55.58 # Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg ) 18.56.06 # ah ok.. right - but DCC may work ^^ 18.56.07 # yes, dcc wont work 18.56.09 # ah ok 18.56.11 # try 18.56.14 # I don't know hehe 18.56.15 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 18.56.20 # doesnot seem to work though hehe 18.56.22 # I bet that was the sound of the hd spinning up since he recorded from internal mic (most probably) 18.56.23 # I am triying 18.57.08 # try http://uldl.t44.org/ 18.59.55 Quit Guile (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.02.20 # still thinking... it might be possible to do something like... "if average signal strength was above X db for the last X ms, and write buffer is more then X mb full, write out NOW" 19.02.35 # so if possible, it would move writes into loud parts 19.03.12 # http://uldl.t44.org/dl.php?id=77972999 19.03.18 # thanks 19.04.15 # hmm if you are able to code this - without having to much cpu % etc. 19.05.41 # i might try it 19.06.24 # so, just analysed your recording... its basicly the same as mine... even though it has slightly different characteristics, meaby you have a different HD model in yours or something 19.06.28 Quit Soul-Slayer ("Leaving.") 19.06.38 # but its exactly the same volume 19.06.38 # SO 19.06.45 # i'd guess its the same on all units. 19.06.54 # (bleh) 19.07.08 # ok, we'll have to get around it with software 19.07.34 Join Guile [0] (n=Guile@88-136-189-207.adslgp.cegetel.net) 19.07.42 # hehe 19.07.56 # this actually really sucks indeed 19.07.59 # I never thought about it 19.08.08 # have you tried it with the original firmware already? 19.08.10 # same thing? 19.10.10 # yes 19.10.14 # its a hardware problem 19.10.33 # i just hadnt noticed it with the OF because it obviously writes much less often 19.10.38 # (because it records mp3 only) 19.11.08 # ...what about mp3 though? 19.11.14 # hm? 19.11.17 # I mean.. the audiophile always want BEST quality 19.11.29 # btw ...can you edit the presets? 19.11.38 # what are you talking about? 19.11.41 # like -V0 --new-preset 19.11.47 # lame 19.12.03 # I think that mp3 would be enough - am I wrong? 19.12.05 # i dont understand what you are trying to tell me :) 19.12.10 # no its not 19.12.19 # since i am using it to record live material 19.12.25 # which is heavily treated afterwards 19.12.30 Join GodEater_ [0] (n=bryan@host-83-146-14-140.bulldogdsl.com) 19.12.32 # treated? 19.12.33 # like how 19.12.35 Quit GodEater__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.12.39 # edited? 19.12.41 # so the mp3 artifacts get much more present 19.12.48 # okay 19.12.52 # edited, yes, but a lot of eq-ing and so on 19.13.11 # ok, I understand you 19.13.13 # dynamic treatment, normalisazion, ... 19.13.21 Quit Guile ("KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'") 19.13.27 # mp3 works by leaving out stuff you dont usually hear anyway 19.13.34 # but if you amplify and twist around the signal 19.13.35 # yeah 19.13.42 # I gotcha 19.13.52 # you get to hear the parts that the mp3 encoder considered "neglectable" 19.14.13 # but... in case you only want to "rip" a cd 19.14.26 # mp3 is "ok", right? 19.14.41 # then, of course, recording directly to mp3 is fine, even though the internal encoder is probably not the same quality as a properly set up lameenc 19.14.41 Join JavaMan22 [0] (n=HP_Admin@c-24-61-91-138.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) 19.14.42 # I mean.. you plugin a CD-Player - record ... 19.14.50 # but why would you do that? 19.14.52 # it is not lame used? 19.14.57 # is it possible to use lame though? 19.15.08 # nope 19.15.25 # should be 19.15.45 # lame is a very high quality encoder not suitable for realtime operation 19.16.00 # its faster, easier and better quality to rip a cd on the computer and transfer the finished mp3s to the player, there wouldnt be many occasions where you'd actually want to record from a cd to your x5... 19.16.11 # rockbox' mp3 encoder is based on the shine encoder 19.16.21 # the cpu of the x5 and most other targets wouldnt be anywhere fast enough for lame probably 19.16.28 # correct 19.16.28 # +near 19.16.33 # true 19.16.45 # maybe in some years then 19.16.48 # still, for most people, the quality is good enough 19.16.48 # :P 19.16.53 # okay 19.17.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.17.07 # in some years, we wont be using mp3, we'll all just use lossless compression formats... 19.17.12 # My estimation is that lame -preset standard would take 10..20x the playtime of the encoded file on the x5 cpu 19.17.19 # true 19.17.21 # since we all carry around DAPs with 4tb memory :) 19.17.25 # I.e. encoding a 3 minute track would take 30..60 minutes 19.17.26 # indeed 19.17.44 # would suck :P 19.17.51 # could use my laptop then 19.18.01 # umh, you are missing the point 19.18.08 Quit bospaadje ("great minds run in great circles") 19.18.27 # ah, sorry, I am missing the point, i thought you were talking about my vision of 4tb DAPs :) 19.18.37 # hehe 19.18.51 # tell me more about those DAPs 19.18.55 # how do they look 19.19.09 # do they have a chip with rockbox maybe? 19.19.26 # probably they are implanted into your brain stem. 19.19.44 # and use your brain for storage 19.19.51 # like in that movie 19.19.52 # right? 19.19.57 # with keanur reaves 19.21.35 # you loose control over your left arm and the ability to do additions in your head, but hey, who needs that if you can have a DAP playing music directly OUT of your memory INTO your memory! :) 19.22.06 # hmm 19.22.21 # ANYWAY, lets get a little more serious. 19.22.26 # there is a superfluent "transfer" imho 19.22.32 # hehe 19.22.45 # i'll start reading myself into the rockbox code tonight 19.22.49 # ok 19.23.07 # and will see if its doable without to much trouble to sync hd writes to audio peaks... 19.23.21 # alright 19.25.41 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 19.30.36 Part JavaMan22 19.32.15 Quit Insectoid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.33.20 Join myrkx[abyss] [0] (i=TheCapta@ip70-162-18-62.ph.ph.cox.net) 19.34.02 Nick myrkx[abyss] is now known as myrkx (i=TheCapta@ip70-162-18-62.ph.ph.cox.net) 19.34.33 # can anyone help with some rockbox install problems? 19.39.48 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 19.40.14 # what platform? 19.41.41 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@rockbox/administrator/Llorean) 19.41.57 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@c-71-205-145-105.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 19.41.58 # iPod video 30gig 19.43.25 # it talks, but seems to be saying a different menu than the one I'm on 19.44.10 # initial menu just says time and exit till you switch menus 19.46.01 # sry, i dont know about any non-cowon players :) 19.46.15 # EEH, SORRY i meant *remembers channel rules* :) 19.46.34 # ok, thanks anyway, trying to set it up for a blind user 19.46.36 # myrkx: This usually means you're using an outdated voice file. 19.46.49 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 19.47.08 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul) 19.47.12 # I downloaded the Reed file from the Rockbox site 19.47.38 # The one dates 06 Feb 2006? 19.47.48 # let me check 19.47.54 # Or the 07 Mar 07? 19.48.04 # Both of those are outdated anyway 19.48.40 # hm... are the voice files "generated" with some speech engine or did a real person record them? 19.48.52 # They can be created either way 19.48.59 # i ment the available ones 19.49.10 # Depends on what people post to that page. 19.49.11 Join Redbreva [0] (n=chatzill@host86-133-127-43.range86-133.btcentralplus.com) 19.49.14 # so, can I just put another one in the languages folder to fix it? 19.49.25 # myrkx: If you can find an up to date one, yeah 19.49.35 # because i happen to know a girl who has done voice computer recordings professionally 19.49.54 # (as in, she records stuff to be used in telephone computers and such stuff) 19.50.03 # Llorean: should be one on the rockbox site? 19.50.04 # she has a very clear, pleasant voice 19.50.12 # so i could probably do such recordings 19.50.14 # myrkx: Only if someone has posted a recent one. 19.50.28 # (i have a little audio homestudio) 19.51.42 # Llorean: April 7, 2007 is there 19.52.42 # myrkx: Try it and see, it should be better at least 19.54.13 # Llorean: thanks 20.06.42 # Lear ? 20.06.49 # hm... alright... audition CAN clean out the noise quite effectively, but it also gets rid of some brilliance 20.07.19 # so, i'd need a way to detect the noisy parts automaticly... 20.07.31 Join bospaadje [0] (n=bospaadj@ip82-139-84-193.lijbrandt.net) 20.07.32 # oh well, whatever 20.10.22 # funny, the x5 actually records less noisy and better quality then my soundcard :) 20.10.44 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@dsl8-ip031-grr.wmis.net) 20.13.35 # Llorean: that worked, thanks a lot :) 20.15.01 # now starting to use the x5 to transfer my old MDs to the computer 20.15.22 # (i have like 130 MDs full of live recordings here that need to be transfered...) 20.17.25 Quit bospaadje ("great minds run in great circles") 20.17.33 Join bospaadje [0] (n=bospaadj@ip82-139-84-193.lijbrandt.net) 20.20.12 # i am thinking to cut off the plug from the x5 power supply and fixing a subpack connector directly to it 20.20.17 # same thing for a usb cable 20.20.24 # so i would not need to use the subpack anymore at all 20.20.39 # but i could not use for example line out and power supply at once anymore 20.22.21 # ah btw, noone answered yet: 20.22.38 # what should i set the input gain of the x5 to when recording with an external preamp? 20.22.49 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m180.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 20.22.55 # since i am regulating the input signal from the preamp 20.23.00 # 0db? 20.23.14 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 20.23.49 # i have a strange problem with that, if i turn up the preamp output (not its gain!) as far that i get close to optimum gain on the x5 i get a lot of distortion... could it be that 0db really isnt 0db? 20.24.12 # i have the feeling i am overdriving the input stage of the x5 very easily 20.24.30 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.25.04 # how exactly does the gain control on the x5 work? is it REAL gain? as in, is it really the amount the input signal gets attenuated or boosted BEFORE the dac? 20.25.33 # or meaby it never boosts, only attenuates, so the max gain setting is actually 0db? 20.30.55 # Nico_P: minor quirk with the rwps backdrop support: when I load a main wps separately the backdrop of the rwps gets cleared - not a big problem as it works again when loading the rwps again afterwards 20.31.23 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m180.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 20.31.50 # pixelma: OK, I'll have a look 20.32.07 # how do you stop a song without losing the menu voice? 20.32.57 # You should have menu voices if you actually stop the song, rather than pause it, I believe 20.36.33 # Nico_P: btw. setting the remote backlight to stay always "on" works here in the sim 20.38.23 Join _vertic23 [0] (i=bla@dslb-084-056-224-053.pools.arcor-ip.net) 20.39.16 # Llorean: so which button stops it? none that I can find, just pause 20.40.36 # myrkx: What player do you have? 20.41.00 # Ah, iPod, (scrolled up)\ 20.41.06 # Hold down Play/Pause for 2 seconds or so 20.41.09 # Not too long or it shuts off 20.44.42 # nico_p: yes 20.45.23 # Lear: have you seen my forum post ? 20.45.40 # Probably not the latest one... One sec. 20.46.10 # Well, the file is played at 44 kHz... 20.46.46 # And Foobar says the same; the file is upsampled by the decoder, after all. 20.46.53 # ok 20.47.06 # and about your PM: I don't even know what SBR files are 20.47.52 # The file you sent is one. A way to make AAC sound better at low bitrates. 20.48.04 # It's part of what's commonly called HE-AAC 20.48.16 # well it does play realtim on the gigabeat 20.48.55 # Such files are not realtime on an H140... 20.51.12 # is there any way to have the song titles read, rather than spelled, without having to make an individual wav file for each? 20.51.22 # Not at this time, no. 20.51.28 # There is no text-to-speech engine in Rockbox. 20.51.45 # But they'd be individual mp3 files for each, not wav files 20.52.00 # we are trying to set these up for blind children in quantity 20.52.11 Join webguest50 [0] (i=c933dc73@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-dca047df02445a45) 20.52.14 Quit webguest50 (Client Quit) 20.55.33 # I wonder if we could get Freedomscientific to integrate a voice synthesiser? 20.56.18 # Right now there are a few people working on real text to speech. 20.56.26 # cool 20.56.56 Quit vertic23 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.57.18 # But considering the fact that Freedomscientific _sells_ their software, I find it rather unlikely they'd want to get involved. 20.57.33 Join Hammer89 [0] (n=soc_inte@host-24-149-166-187.patmedia.net) 20.58.21 # never hurts to ask, but if you are working on it, why worry :) 20.58.48 # I'm not working on it, and there's no guarantee either of the people who are will finish it, though there are high hopes 20.59.07 # But Rockbox is under the GPL license, meaning any text to speech support would have to be released under it as well 20.59.20 # absolutely 20.59.48 # does anyone know how to set the a-b points for the a-b repeat function in rockbox on the sansa e200? 21.00.47 Join EbErT [0] (n=EbErT@adsl-19-81-54.asm.bellsouth.net) 21.00.49 Join luiz_fls [0] (i=vofr@20151220115.user.veloxzone.com.br) 21.01.12 Join ctaf [0] (n=ctaf@ram94-6-82-242-23-70.fbx.proxad.net) 21.01.24 Part ctaf 21.01.38 Join Guile [0] (n=Guile@88-136-189-207.adslgp.cegetel.net) 21.07.40 Join Rob24 [0] (i=1839489d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-888a9e00f86d8051) 21.09.09 # Some time when i play roms on my ipod 5th gen video, some roms r slow and slugish and some arnt, is there any way to finx this? 21.10.20 # Buy a faster MP3 player. 21.10.49 # ..is there a free way to fix this? 21.11.01 # Do you know ARM assembly? 21.11.10 # no 21.11.20 # Then no, not for you, until someone else optimizes the code. 21.11.27 # ic kk 21.14.16 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 21.16.14 # Is there any way to get a form of dance dance revolution on rock box? 21.16.25 Join norbusan [0] (n=norbusan@chello213047086216.5.14.tuwien.teleweb.at) 21.16.26 # that'd be fun 21.16.30 Part norbusan 21.16.31 # very 21.16.47 # does any open source version of the game exist? 21.16.57 # but like there are dance dance revolution games for gbc but on the ipod they r so sluggish 21.17.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.17.12 # well is there a way to change ste mania? 21.17.21 # *step 21.17.30 # mania? 21.17.45 # heh, that would work with the scroll wheel pretty well 21.17.46 # http://www.stepmania.com/ 21.17.51 # yah 21.18.33 # do they have key sequence definitions on that website ? 21.18.41 # imagin zepher on challange at your finder tips 21.18.48 # Maybe 21.19.34 Join mutantpineapple [0] (n=dan@87.112.94.127.plusnet.ptn-ag2.dyn.plus.net) 21.19.34 # like in step mania you can change the keys maybe there is way to change it without having it loaded 21.19.41 # hum, sounds like it could kind of work ( http://www.stepmania.com/wiki/Create_and_Share ). I'll see what those .sm look like 21.19.51 # but the 4 arrows keys r the dfault set up 21.19.58 # bye 21.20.24 Quit luiz_fls ("CyberScript - A diferença entre uma loira burra e uma inteligente é que a inteligente usa CyberScript. (www.cybers") 21.23.10 # Hum, should be easy to load those .sm files using a rockbox plugin. I might give it a try. 21.23.56 # well if any one can get step mani working with ipod i would apreachiatit if you could email me at robertlaliberte24@ hotmail.com because right now i got to go to work, so c yah guys later 21.24.13 # bye 21.24.20 Quit Rob24 ("CGI:IRC") 21.30.09 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 21.31.03 Join bonbonthejon [0] (n=jon@69.61.203.3) 21.33.56 Join PaulJam [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3106.gwdg.de) 21.33.58 Join darkbutterfly [0] (n=jburch@ip68-99-151-158.mc.at.cox.net) 21.34.52 # any body use a sansa e200 with rockbox 21.36.45 # is the rockboy plugin at all usable on an x5? 21.38.02 Part toffe82 21.44.21 # Any ARM gurus around to tell me what I've done wrong here? http://www.pastebin.ca/459934 (the C code I'm trying to write in assembler is in the #else) 21.44.57 Join arj [0] (n=arj@213.237.55.231.adsl.abc.worldonline.dk) 21.45.41 # I get data abort when trying to play music using the latest nightly snapshot on my ipod nano 1g 21.46.07 # is that a know problem? 21.46.10 # +n 21.49.56 Join lowlight [0] (i=c730190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-53d35237298576fd) 21.49.57 Join Reno [0] (i=cf3fdb02@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f1d8f3214b73b846) 21.50.30 # hey guy's i'm back and i got a question. 21.50.42 # can i out coputer games on rockbox? 21.51.01 # and....can i make the nubers on the calculator bigger? 21.51.09 # if the computer game is doom :p 21.51.19 # arj: how old was the build you used before? 21.51.33 # isthe build? what do u mean? 21.51.49 # about two months 21.52.00 # I tried a build about a month ago with the same problem 21.52.07 # perhaps older 21.52.13 # oh nevermind... 21.52.30 # so can imake the numbers on the rockbox calculator bigger? 21.52.54 # arj: there was a change recently to the bootloader - you have to update the bootloader too 21.53.13 # ok thx 21.54.07 Quit Reno (Client Quit) 21.54.34 Join Reno [0] (i=cf3fdb02@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-47eb1a0dc84ce854) 21.54.46 # soorr i logged of by accident... 21.54.58 # wee 21.55.01 # works now 21.55.04 # thanks a ot pixelma 21.55.08 # linuxstb: not an arm guru, but the array offsets doesn't match up to me... 21.55.16 # so can i make the nubers for thr=e rockbox calculator bigger? 21.55.31 # nice new boot logo :-) 21.55.33 # you're welcome 21.56.07 # But then I don't know the difference of ldmdb and ldmia. :) 21.56.43 # can anybody please help me if their not busy and if i can make them bigger? 21.57.09 # Lear: "db" is decrement before, and "ia" is increment after. Which I understand to mean that it would decrement the source register by 16, then do the read from memory. 21.57.22 # Reno: not easily... 21.57.34 # oh...but can i do that? 21.57.49 # Ah, like -(ax)/(ay)+ on coldfire... 21.57.54 # Lear: So (in theory), r3 contains x[-3], r4 contains x[-2]. r5 contains x[-1] and r6 contains x[0] 21.58.02 # Lear: I don't know Coldfire at all. 21.58.39 # if i can make them bigger i would appreciate it if you could tell me how to do that? 21.58.49 # ; ) 21.58.51 # Reno: you'd need the ability to load two fonts (iirc there's a patch for that) 21.59.15 # oh really where can i get that patch? 21.59.26 # and I don't know how well that patch works with plugins as it was made for wps I think 21.59.30 # any body wana do a Ubuntu theme for Rockbox sansa 21.59.35 # linuxstb: btw, you know where I can find a good arm reference? Could be fun to have, but I haven't found anything good yet... 21.59.51 # i guess it's worth a try though! 21.59.54 # : ) 21.59.54 # ubuntu theme?? 22.00.05 # oh no... 22.00.07 # Lear: I think I need one myself... All I've got is the ARM quick reference guide which has a summary of all the instructions. 22.00.25 # Yep, found that one... 22.00.26 # lol 22.00.26 # Reno: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4733 22.00.34 # ok thank you. 22.01.23 # how soon for a total workable Rockbox on the Sansa e200 22.01.41 # oh i almost forgot.....is there a way i can copy the rockbox manual to my ipod and read it there that way i dont have to print it out or read it on my pc???? : ) 22.01.44 # darkbutterfly: People work on it as a hobby in their spare time, so it's impossible to say. 22.01.46 # the only way you could make rockbox look like ubuntu is by porting beryl to it 22.02.16 # :D 22.02.24 # Reno: no, but you'r free to port an html engine to rockbox ;) 22.02.44 # You could always make Ubuntu look like Rockbox... 22.02.59 # right no prob 22.03.06 # oh okay thank you anyway's! 22.03.10 # wish I could program 22.03.16 # * petur looks at his xubuntu in a VM and shakes head 22.04.01 # linuxstb: tried "x + 1" as %1? 22.04.15 # Lear, linuxstb: the arm arm doc is good 22.04.20 # but i assume you have that too 22.05.14 # if i want to know how to use that oatch deos it tell me how to use it in the manual???? what part is it? is it in the plugins part? 22.05.40 # preglow: I did have it, but can't find it now... 22.05.49 # http://www.altera.com/literature/third-party/ddi0100e_arm_arm.pdf 22.06.48 # Reno: I feel this will be a bit over your head... start reading here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers 22.07.46 Quit Reno ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.08.07 # Lear: Ah, x-1 worked... 22.08.16 Join web-taz [0] (n=taz@p5081890a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.08.28 # -? Not +? 22.08.45 # lol petur you scared him with that link! :P 22.09.13 # hehe - I think it was nothing for him anyway 22.09.34 # [22:49] can i out coputer games on rockbox? <- that phrase concludes everything :) 22.11.31 # * mutantpineapple still wonders if outting coputer games on rockbox is possible :| 22.11.57 Join fm2 [0] (i=95e13c3c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e3b77c1c91fad3a5) 22.12.14 # we ask ourselves the very same question every day :// 22.12.38 # markun: here? 22.12.40 # < preglow> anyone fixed being able to out coputer games yet? 22.12.44 # < petur> i don't know!!!!!11 22.13.12 # frrrrr 22.13.57 # * Bagder giggles 22.14.28 Quit darkbutterfly ("Ex-Chat") 22.15.31 # Hm... I seem to never cross markun 22.16.04 # Lear: Sorry, yes x+1 22.16.17 # maybe we should port cygwin to rockbox as well? 22.16.45 # mutantpineapple: first port wine so that we have something to run cygwin on 22.16.47 # so it would be rockbox running windows running linux 22.17.10 # cygwin is not linux 22.17.12 # don't forget that rockbox IS linux 22.17.16 # it's just another distro 22.17.26 # I can see preglow is in that special mood today ;-) 22.17.46 Quit z35_1 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 22.17.49 # * petur suspects beer is to balme 22.17.55 # blame even 22.17.59 # * preglow flings pies at people 22.18.10 # i was planning on having one, actually 22.18.11 # it isn't linux... i don't see rms hding behind anything 22.18.13 # but discovered i have none :/ 22.18.21 Part arj 22.18.29 # normally he's under the coats 22.18.33 # < rms> it's gnu/rockbox, goddamnit! 22.18.39 # :D 22.18.40 # haha 22.19.45 # is there a gnubuntu yet? 22.21.20 # there seems to be every other possible "derivative" 22.21.54 # i say "derivative" but the only actual difference is the packages installed by default and the included wallpaper 22.22.11 Part fm2 ("Again no markun here. Damn!..") 22.22.23 # there's the distro with the name that sounds like "nuisance" which only bundles free-free stuff 22.22.28 # mutantpineapple: if you mean a totally free ubuntu, there is gnewsense 22.22.28 # and that's ubuntu derivated 22.22.37 # that 22.22.40 # wow... 22.22.49 # and the next release will have a totally free version 22.23.02 # well i guess now that ubuntu christian edition has hit the shelves, we now have absolute saturation 22.23.49 # why not rockbuntu ? :) 22.24.08 # with rockbox yellow as a wallpaper 22.24.30 # ahh, yes, the stock ubuntu is totally unsuited to christians, so this is a good initiative 22.24.46 # what with the satanic wallpapers and startup jingle performed by darkthrone 22.24.49 # * petur mutters beeruntu 22.24.56 # and doom running at 160x120 22.25.14 # preglow: not a fish sticker in sight 22.26.18 # and the fsck has been renamed f*ck so as to avoid offending 22.27.20 Join z35_1 [0] (n=z@adsl-1-25-42.dab.bellsouth.net) 22.27.47 # hahahah 22.28.39 # well, at least ubuntu satanic edition seems to have its followers too 22.28.42 # so at least there is balance 22.29.05 # * mutantpineapple googles 22.29.11 # haha, fiery spawn... 22.31.37 # Ubuntu Surly Satan 22.31.47 # Ubuntu Jolly Jesus 22.31.53 # these might still end up as official releases! 22.32.07 # now, for dish-wahsing 22.32.09 # you can imagine the flame wars 22.32.12 # washing too 22.32.12 # enjoy 22.32.43 # pixelma: I fixed the bug you reported earlier about RWPS backdrops 22.32.44 # as a rule i don't, but there's always hope 22.34.09 Join web-taz2 [0] (n=taz@p50818A73.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.37.40 Quit himitsu ("Leaving") 22.44.52 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 22.45.32 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.45.39 Join walter [0] (n=walter@ip5653990e.direct-adsl.nl) 22.45.57 Quit web-taz (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.46.27 Part kaaloo 22.47.24 Join miner49er [0] (n=mat@62-30-224-60.cable.ubr03.chap.blueyonder.co.uk) 22.48.30 # hello 22.50.02 Quit myrkx () 22.51.53 # miner49er: hi 22.52.57 # Nico_P: nice, thanks :) 22.53.20 Quit amiconn (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 22.53.20 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.53.40 # pixelma: I can't leave this sort of bug in the code, even though quite minor :) 22.54.52 Join moos [0] (i=moos@m135.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 22.55.22 # * amiconn wonders whether we need to introduce HAVE_LCD one day... 22.55.55 # amiconn: for the iAudio player that only has a remote ? 22.56.07 # the M3, is that it ? 22.56.53 # yes, that's the one. But perhaps not even the one that needs such a define, if we make the remote the main display for it 22.57.26 # Can anyone tell me how to run the buildzip.pl script please? I haven't dissected the script itself yet... 22.57.31 # But there might be others without any lcd (e.g. the shuffle - I know the 1st gen shuffle isn't supported by gcc or other open source compilers) 22.57.38 # miner49er: Just type "make zip" 22.57.49 # neither the second gen 22.57.52 # oh right, cheers 22.57.54 # they're both 56k based, afaik 22.58.14 # rockbox would need to be pretty stripped down for such a player 22.58.19 # Someone said the other day that the 2nd gen Shuffle has the same ARM chip as the 2nd gen Nano. 22.58.27 # Nico_P: I am just wondering because of the #if defined(HAVE_REMOTE_LCD) && (LCD_REMOTE_DEPTH > 1) stuff 22.58.27 # really now 22.58.41 # It's not symmetric to the checks for main lcd 22.58.46 # amiconn: I can hardly imagine how rockbox would be usable on a device without a display 22.58.56 # Voice UI? 22.59.02 # preglow: If that's true, then I'm sure it has the same encryption... 22.59.04 # why not 22.59.13 # And some beeps... 22.59.37 # amiconn: yeah... btw, how do you find that define ? appropriate ? bloated ? 22.59.51 # It's required 22.59.56 Quit bawb2 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.00.28 # You can't just use #if LCD_REMOTE_DEPTH > 2 because of -wundef 23.02.07 # (and the full thing is clearer albeit longish) 23.02.53 # yeah I was afraid people would find it a bit long but couldn't find a simpler wat to put it 23.03.20 # maybe we could replace it by something like HAVE_BACKDROPS ? 23.05.01 # * Nico_P is studying java for an exam tomorrow :'( 23.05.07 # java :// 23.06.42 # I quite like OOP, but I think I prefer .NET over java... never tried C++ 23.07.12 # I used to enjoy programming in VB .NET when I was a bit younger :) 23.07.40 # oop is ok 23.07.46 # java is annoying, though 23.07.49 # c# beats it nicely 23.07.59 # c++ is annoying too, but better than java 23.08.58 # c++ code can be nice - depends on the programmer. some people manage to make a mess of it ;) 23.09.55 # When I get the time I'd like to learn a bit of Qt and KDE programming, that must be quite fun 23.10.52 Join web-taz [0] (n=taz@p508186B2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 23.13.49 # how can I determine the length of a file with the rockbox API? 23.15.52 Quit SirFunk (Connection timed out) 23.17.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.17.23 # never mind 23.17.29 Part lowlight 23.24.13 Nick z35_1 is now known as z35 (n=z@adsl-1-25-42.dab.bellsouth.net) 23.24.32 Quit web-taz2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.27.00 Join annulus_ [0] (n=user@h29n1fls33o286.telia.com) 23.27.21 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54967ae4.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.28.44 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.28.59 Quit spiorf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.29.03 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host148-214-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 23.29.13 Quit petur ("here today, gone tomorrow") 23.30.33 # * davina is away: folding proteins and sleeping 23.32.52 Quit Juice^ ("Leaving") 23.36.06 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 23.36.46 # Anyone any idea why the plugin I've built complains about being the wrong model? It builds but it's 0k in length 23.38.00 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-241-208.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 23.41.19 # * ender` yawns 23.41.49 # oh, like that is it? 23.42.31 # forget it 23.43.39 # figured it out...stoopid me duur 23.45.59 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@24-117-195-16.cpe.cableone.net) 23.46.49 Join MrSomeone [0] (i=joe@ool-18b99683.dyn.optonline.net) 23.47.51 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 23.49.43 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 23.50.38 Join Rob24 [0] (i=1839489d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e5433ac2daa7e740) 23.51.42 Quit PaulJam (".") 23.51.58 Join hiho [0] (n=beachrec@000-003-269.area3.spcsdns.net) 23.52.24 # how would you go about putting step mania onto rock box? 23.52.41 # help! can someone tell me how to turn off power on an ipod? (stock FW) 23.53.21 # Hold down the play/pause button for a few seconds 23.53.31 # hold down center button and menue for like 10 seconds 23.53.37 # no wiat tahts restart 23.54.48 # The of cannot be shut down afaik (don't have that anymore on my only ipod) 23.55.34 # say what? 23.56.07 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 23.56.39 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 23.56.52 # how would one go about makking step mania advalible for rock box? 23.57.03 # haha 23.57.09 # umh...no? :) 23.57.36 # well, i guess on devices with 4 buttons for directions it might work 23.57.49 Join My_Sic [0] (i=514305b4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a458debcaa4605ca) 23.58.01 # of course, the idea of interpreting the stepmenia files directly is interesting 23.58.19 # ... How would i go about making step mania advalible for rock bock "IPOD" eddition 23.58.47 # what might be very cool is a new rhythm game for ipods and other "scroll wheel" devices 23.58.56 # para para paradise like