--- Log for 02.05.107 Server: pratchett.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 9 hours and 16 minutes ago 00.00.59 # yes 00.01.05 # very much so 00.01.30 # even 48khz -8 files should work with no problems at all 00.01.35 # weee 00.01.35 # maffe-: but the 48kHz files are being resampled to 44.1 00.01.42 # Hm 00.01.49 # not something you'll hear easily 00.01.51 # and it's not the best resampoler 00.01.55 # resampler 00.01.59 # still not something you'll hear easily 00.02.15 # all the distortion will be in a frequency range above 20khz 00.02.33 # preglow: are downsampling and upsampling done differently? 00.02.37 # not at all 00.02.43 # both are plain linear interpolation 00.02.47 # ok 00.02.56 # :) 00.03.53 # Is there any portable audio player with Replay Gain support in the original firmware? 00.04.02 # preglow: I emailed analog.com to ask if they know about DAPs which use their Blackfin CPUs 00.04.09 # markun: heard anything? 00.04.20 # maffe-: i seriously doubt it 00.04.25 # I got a reply that I could build one myself :) 00.04.31 # haha 00.04.40 # and sell it with rockbox on it 00.05.03 # well, you've got the business plan ready already :P 00.05.09 # * scorche watched markun head off to the open-hardware thread on the forums 00.05.17 # markun : ask them to have all the tools for free to develop it 00.05.38 # haha free lol 00.05.41 # perhaps they will send you a platform dev for free :) 00.05.47 Join Jchord [0] (n=JohnB@d57-102-106.home.cgocable.net) 00.06.05 # scorche: already posted something there 00.06.09 # =P lol you wish 00.06.11 # markun: But did they answer your question? 00.06.16 # about using another DAP as a donor 00.06.18 # linuxstb: no 00.06.37 # hey linuxstb so u tried out ipod linux 00.07.14 # Root_Admin: this is #rockbox.. 00.07.26 # hehe ok 00.07.53 # Root_Admin: I tried it very briefly once, but I bought an ipod to port Rockbox, not to use IPL 00.08.10 # Root_Admin: why do you ask btw? 00.09.08 # i tried it and failed my ipod linux lagged so bad i couldn;t use it 00.09.39 # and you though linuxstb knew more about it because of his nick? 00.09.41 # and fyi its nearly the same 00.10.02 Quit Jchord (Remote closed the connection) 00.10.03 # nope i remmebered he said he wana test ipod linux some time back 00.10.14 # linuxstb: you have a working Gigabeat F80 now? 00.10.24 # and now i wana know the result see it works 00.10.26 # IPL is a very interesting project, but I didn't find a whole lot of usefulness out of it. That's why I'm *here*. 00.10.32 # markun: No, I need a smaller screwdriver and haven't got round to buying one... 00.10.49 # * scorche points Root_Admin over to #ipodlinux 00.10.52 # I've got to go read up on thie Gigabeat you all keep talking about. 00.10.58 # linuxstb: I also have a large one which also works, just very sharp 00.11.09 # markun: I've tried everything in the house... 00.11.26 # huh? I never said I'm a native speaker 00.11.27 # buleeahn: just don't trust everything you read about it on wikipedia :) 00.11.40 # although I think the errors are all removed now 00.11.55 # buleeahn: which language? 00.12.02 Nick Root_Admin is now known as blackbrother (i=7d19ccd9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d90d02a77523f352) 00.12.05 # that was for bluebrother 00.12.18 # k, I was trying to figure that one out for a moment. 00.12.26 # markun, I'm german 00.12.37 # but not a native speaker? 00.12.39 # * petur has a compiler for blackfins at work, and it was expensive and not quite bugfree :/ 00.12.40 # *sic* Do we get this "blackbrother" thing again? 00.13.02 # wats*sic*? 00.13.05 # I was referring to not being native english 00.13.06 # petur: I wonder how it compares to gcc 00.13.22 Join xxbarrxx [0] (n=xxbarrxx@c-76-19-76-90.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 00.13.29 # can you get mario on rockbox 00.13.33 # is so whats it called 00.13.56 # xxbarrxx: yeah, you can play gameboy games.. 00.14.09 # yea 00.14.11 # can anyone get pacman working lol 00.14.13 # but ive seen real mario 00.14.15 # full speed 00.14.18 # gb is slow 00.14.21 # and now full color 00.14.25 # i can 00.14.32 # blackbrother: the manual is good 00.14.45 # xxbarrxx: outside of the gameboy emulator, there is no way 00.15.01 # i tried it says stuff like gb stuff 00.15.04 # xxbarrxx: sorry i dont understand you, please use full sentences.. 00.15.12 # scorche: No way to run mario full speed in rockbox? 00.15.26 # when i tired it the pacman was so tiny from the gba emulator 00.15.29 # buleeahn: no way to run mario outside of the gameboy emulator 00.15.39 # k 00.15.43 # on Gigabeat it should be full speed .. *i think * 00.15.56 # blackbrother: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1340008.1.9 00.15.56 # xxbarrxx: that backdrop file you put online earlier works fine in the sim here, except it was a bmp, not a jpg 00.16.00 # Well there was the version of Super Mario Brothers that id software ported to a pc a long time ago. 00.16.05 # Domonoky: And on the h1x0 according to the Rockboy wiki page... 00.16.16 # But that project kind of got killed when Nintendo expressed no interest in "gaming on PC's". 00.16.27 # y does the ipod have tons of terrible things for rockbox like battery consumption,video(lags , please name more 00.16.31 # Well, not "id" software, but the guys who started id software. 00.17.04 Join web-taz [0] (n=taz@p50818640.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 00.17.06 # blackbrother: because the company who makes the CPU wants to keep the documentation secret 00.17.35 # ahhh 00.17.36 # linuxstb: its not full speed on h1x0, i just tested it :-) 00.17.53 # blackbrother: Video works well on all colour ipods apart from the video ipod. 00.17.54 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@84.191.72.230) 00.17.56 # can you reupload a working file 00.17.58 # onto rapidshare 00.18.17 # yes i was talkin about ipod videos 00.18.38 # since mine is the 5g 00.18.50 # hmm wheres bluebrother? 00.19.05 # around. Why? 00.19.09 Quit obo ("bye") 00.19.29 # oh you were quite quiet for some time 00.19.33 # xxbarrxx: the file *is* working, just change the extension from jpg to bmp because it is a bmp 00.19.44 Nick blackbrother is now known as root_admin (i=7d19ccd9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d90d02a77523f352) 00.20.08 # How good is the Replay Gain support with Rockbox (on a Cowon iAudio X5L)? Can I choose between track and album gain, and does it work for MP3 (ID3v2.4), Vorbis, FLAC? 00.20.21 # maffe-: yes 00.20.25 # maffe-: Very good. Yes and Yes. 00.20.25 # for all your questions 00.20.26 # i guess i'll get typin the C program and test on my ipod 00.20.40 # :)) 00.20.44 # Excellent 00.20.56 # btw linuxstb u got mpegplayer workin? 00.21.01 # the FF and REW? 00.21.02 # maffe-: You can choose between track and album gain, or select "album gain but track gain when shuffling" 00.21.16 # root_admin: 3rd time, jhMikeS is working on it 00.21.36 # (or was that someone else who asked that before?) 00.21.43 Quit xxbarrxx () 00.21.53 # umm 00.21.57 # linuxstb: Wow, that is a feature I still miss in foobar2000 00.22.04 # markun, no, it was the constantly-renaming person 00.22.43 # ah no, it was webguest43 00.22.48 # root_admin: sorry 00.23.02 # yea webguest lol 00.23.11 # I'll buy a X5L now :) 00.23.11 # markun: Don't apologise... 00.23.22 # how dare you blame the root_admin for a sin he didn't commit 00.23.27 # linuxstb: ok, sorry ;) 00.23.28 # yes, and webguest43 is the same as blackbrother as root_admin as Administrator ... 00.23.29 # hahaha 00.23.31 # markun: it is the same person 00.24.07 # yea everyone gang up on me 00.24.12 # ok yea its me 00.24.12 # and I guess it's the same person who trolled around as blackbrother, linuxstd and webguestsomething a while ago 00.24.36 # 'kid' you mean 00.24.43 # right. 00.24.45 # I swear this is turning into a sitcom. 00.25.17 # maffe-: you know that the X5 screen sucks, right? 00.25.43 # but of course it's still a nice DAP 00.25.49 # markun: ? 00.26.17 # markun: I wasn't aware of that 00.26.27 # pixelma: well, I guess it's subjective. But it looked very low res when I saw the X5 of moos 00.26.31 # not that I like the screen but I wouldn't say "it sucks" 00.27.14 # some people would even say that every colour screen sucks :) 00.27.19 # I plan to buy the remote anyway 00.27.21 # well, just 1 person 00.27.27 # remote control 00.27.38 # markun: no " - and not all ;) 00.27.40 # and our "root_admin" indeed seems to be the same troll as on 2007-03-16 00.27.49 # maffe-: the M5L is also nice I guess 00.27.53 # err... s/"/2 00.28.12 # pixelma: do they happen to be related? :) 00.28.15 # The M5L doesn't seem to be available in Germany 00.28.31 # pixelma has one and lives in Germany, right? 00.28.52 # no... I have an M5 - and bought it from a british ebay shop 00.29.13 # M5L 00.29.22 Quit idnar (Nick collision from services.) 00.29.24 Join idnar_ [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 00.30.08 # Do you know whether the original firmware supports UTF-8 encoded files? 00.30.22 # text files 00.31.41 # maffe-: atm you can't use the OF when rockbox is installed (if you go the "official" way) but rockbox would read them. Haven't looked at the original firmware before, so I can't answer that 00.32.00 # mkay 00.32.40 # root_admin: any luck with pacman? 00.33.09 # yea workin for gba 00.33.16 Quit roolku () 00.33.17 # i mean gbc 00.33.39 # its harder than i thought programming C 00.33.45 # ah, I though you wanted to try pacbox 00.33.53 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 00.33.58 # maffe-: there is an unofficial bootloader that let's you dual boot though but it won't be supported here 00.34.11 # nah its ok since its workin ongbc 00.34.57 # i gotta go to my friends house he'll help me program it laters 00.35.00 Quit luckz (Remote closed the connection) 00.35.08 Join luckz [0] (n=luckz@luckz.de) 00.35.12 # root_admin signing off 00.35.16 # root_admin: LOL!!! 00.35.25 # * linuxstb looks forward to the patch 00.35.40 # wats funny about an admin signin off 00.35.42 # hahah 00.36.05 # yes u guessed it i wasn't really an admin lol 00.36.13 # pixelma, will the official bootloader support dual boot in the future? 00.36.38 # bye 00.36.46 # bye 00.36.51 # * bluebrother awaits a troll to leave :) 00.37.04 # troll you say 00.37.04 # bluebrother: well, if you didnt want to wait.. 00.37.06 # maffe-: that's the goal but don't ask for estimates about when 00.37.08 # bluebrother: he'll be back with another nick, don't worry :) 00.37.23 # wait till i come back with the patch 00.37.33 # sure ... I should get pop corn :D 00.37.33 # and for ur info 00.37.38 # what will the patch do anyway? 00.37.40 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@i-83-67-214-206.freedom2surf.net) 00.37.51 # whats better than being the root admin 00.38.04 # being the root of all evil? 00.39.01 Quit web-taz (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.39.15 # FF and REW mpegplayer see if it will work 00.39.26 # good luck 00.39.28 # i'll keep u informed 00.39.33 # laters 00.39.33 # * bluebrother laughs evilish 00.39.33 # good luck 00.39.46 # root_admin: tell jhMikeS to stop working on it :) 00.39.57 # haha thx 00.40.01 # nooo let him work too 00.40.07 # mine might notwork 00.40.15 # So .. how do I get this patch committed? current svn builds are crashable with long strings in wps ... http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7093 00.40.19 # i'll give it some run test 00.40.35 # * bluebrother enables his surprised look 00.40.41 # root_admin: would you like to make a bet on the outcome? 00.41.15 # stripwax: I'll have a look 00.41.18 # ta 00.41.21 # stripwax, try catching Nico_P 00.41.23 # don't even try ... i'm inexperienced so i'm askin my friend that studied proframmin on C 00.41.50 # i'm off now .hate long gooodbyes 00.41.51 # bluebrother- we discussed on irc y'day - guess he was too busy? 00.42.14 # ah -- I was busy myself, so I missed that. 00.42.35 # then ignore my last sentence ;-) 00.42.38 # laters 00.42.40 # ok ;-) 00.42.49 Quit root_admin ("CGI:IRC") 00.43.29 # bout time 00.43.50 # oooh ... fun's over :P 00.44.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.44.17 # too bad he was on the webclient - can't ban 'm 00.44.27 # petur: can't? 00.44.29 # s/too/to 00.44.30 # i miss dongs...there was still fun to be had with him 00.44.36 # petur: sure you canm 00.44.41 # scorche: he's still on freenode 00.44.47 # maybe you can PM him 00.44.48 # ('too' was right) 00.45.12 # markun: not unless you want to kick all weblients? 00.45.29 # scorche: I typed his hostname in my browser and got a very weird website 00.45.58 # petur, the local part of the address is the ip in hex values 00.46.03 # petur: I think you can ban them based on their ircname (which is their ip) 00.46.11 # ah 00.46.12 # so you can ban based on that 00.46.36 Quit atsea- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.46.36 # that's also the way how I checked if he is the same as this "blackbrother" we had a couple of weeks ago 00.47.13 Part EbErT 00.47.15 Quit midkay_ ("Leaving") 00.47.29 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 00.47.32 # stripwax: that printf() probably doesn't belong in there? ;) 00.47.39 # markun: very weird how? 00.48.33 # some people use strange reasons for requesting a task to get reopened ... 00.49.24 # petur - eek ! right 00.49.27 # .. sorry 00.49.32 # np 00.49.36 Nick idnar_ is now known as idnar (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 00.51.28 # stripwax: also keep line lengths below 80 (see contributing doc) 00.52.35 Quit hostf4cekilla (Remote closed the connection) 00.53.33 # petur - hm, ok. there's other lines > 80 in that file.. 00.54.45 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 00.54.47 # maybe, but we'll always know who to blame ;) 00.55.14 # svn blame? ;-) 00.55.40 Join johnzorn [0] (n=jz@modemcable191.130-37-24.mc.videotron.ca) 00.56.01 # anyway, out for sleep 00.56.03 Quit bluebrother ("Leaving") 00.57.10 Join Javacat [0] (n=ghsgh@unaffiliated/javacat) 00.58.41 # * petur throws CONTRIBUTING doc at Nico_P 00.58.43 # Hey!! 00.59.11 # Javacat: since when do you come in here? 00.59.23 # Since I wanted a new mp3 player :P 00.59.37 # scorche: kick him for using more that one ! in a row :) 00.59.44 # more than even 00.59.48 # haha 01.00.04 # Javacat: did you decide which one to buy? 01.00.11 # No 01.00.23 # Javacat: Which players are you considering? 01.00.31 # I was just wondering whether there was a port of Rockbox to the Creative Zen Vision: M 01.00.46 # there are a few who are working on it, but they ahvent gotten far 01.00.53 # I've seen a huge thread about it on the forum, but can't work out whether it;s actucally ported or not 01.00.59 # it's not 01.01.01 # it isnt 01.01.18 # http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?showtopic=36620 < I asked for advice on some forum I use :P 01.01.45 # The Gigabeat port us finished otoh.. 01.01.53 # Since writing that I've decided that I definatly want to use rockbox 01.02.07 # is there plans on getting rockbox running on an 80g ipod? 01.02.14 # johnzorn: YES 01.02.17 # whoops 01.02.26 # Javacat: good decision ;) 01.02.49 # I guess theres no timeframe? 01.03.00 # johnzorn: we dont give timeframes 01.03.01 # Javacat: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide 01.03.10 # At the minute I'm thinking either a new 60gb iPod Video or the zen 01.03.35 # The problem I have with the iPod is it's a bit big and the hardware isn't meant to be great 01.03.43 # stripwax: by adding that if() around everything in default, you're preventing the case where the stringbuffer is full and the string to add is duplicate. 01.03.47 # Thanks markun 01.03.55 # well, if you definitely want to use rockbox, then the decision is made 01.04.33 # hmm.. there's the Cowon iAudio X5 01.04.41 # But that costs a bit more than I'd like to spend 01.04.58 # while a Gigabeat F40 can be bought for around $99.. :) 01.05.16 # ok, I'll stop 01.05.19 # Javacat: how much were you looking to spend? 01.05.22 # petur - which 'if' are you referring to? the latest patch takes that if out .. 01.05.29 # £200 probably 01.05.31 # (that 'if' was there before..) 01.05.39 # Doesn't rockbox already run on 80g ipods? 01.05.46 # buleeahn: no 01.05.51 # I mean, an 80GB is essentially a fifth generation, right? 01.06.05 # Javacat: i would lounge around ebay if i were you 01.06.15 # hmm 01.06.18 # I shoulda got a cowon 01.06.23 # buleeahn: there are a few differences with the harddrive 01.06.31 # ah 01.07.04 # stripwax: oh... must have taken the wrong patch 01.07.38 # I've also just updated it (again) with the printf removed and the reduction in line length .. hopefully this meets guidelines now? 01.08.08 # strange ... the patch I downloaded had them removed... 01.08.09 # markun: The Gigabeats are ugly :P 01.08.21 # uh oh 01.08.27 # * scorche runs for cover 01.08.28 # Should I hide? 01.08.31 # yes 01.08.34 # Javacat: but work very well with rockbox 01.08.37 # get in here...quick! 01.08.44 # * Javacat hides with scorche 01.09.28 # Javacat: honestly though, the gigabeats have quite the little powerhouse inside of them....they run quite well, as they are quite fast 01.09.45 # Can they take a beating? 01.09.54 # petur - I added the patch to the tracker yesterday and submitted a newer patch about one hour later -- sounds like you downloaded the first patch without the if fix you already mentioned. anyway - get the newest one with above advice implemented 01.10.34 # stripwax: no I got the right one alright, it was my mistake ;) 01.10.42 # ;) 01.10.47 # I'll have a look at the new one 01.10.50 # thanks 01.10.52 # * scorche defaults the question to markun 01.11.00 # ls someone here who likes to test a patch for me? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7092 01.11.08 # well, I don't have much to compare it to 01.11.33 # perhaps a little more fragile than my h120 01.11.59 # * petur gets the feeling he'll miss tortoisesvn a lot when he'll start using linux :/ 01.13.18 # * Javacat wishes his gmini xs 200 could have a bigger hard drive put in it and also have a port of rockbox :P 01.13.40 Quit spiorf ("Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)") 01.15.06 # petur - do you think this patch is ok? I'd really like to help prevent rockbox crashing.. 01.15.29 # Javacat: do you have any special wishes for what the DAP should be capable of? 01.15.34 # recording, radio, video playback 01.16.19 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p54849ADF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 01.16.46 # markun: http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?s=&showtopic=36620&view=findpost&p=524828 01.16.59 # I'm not bothered about recording, radio or video 01.16.59 # XavierGr: around? 01.17.06 # a colour screen would be nice though 01.17.33 # Javacat: what are you looking for in battery life? 01.18.00 Quit Rob222241 () 01.18.10 # probably about 8+ hours 01.18.12 # I just read a question about the fact that rockbox loads all tracks of a list into the playlist when you select one track out of it. the question was if it is possible to just load the track selected without choosing "add to playlist" from the context menu 01.18.25 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B1671F.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.18.27 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.19.20 # I'm thinking that the Creative Zen Vision: M would be the best choice for me as it does everything I want as standard and there should be a rockbox port eventually 01.19.29 # http://play.com/Electronics/Electronics/4-/3274772/Creative_Zen_Vision_M_60GB_MP3_Multimedia_Player/Product.html 01.19.52 # a rockbox port is not guaranteed 01.20.07 # Javacat: why not the gigabeat S60 01.20.29 # Javacat: and does it play Ogg Vorbis like you want? 01.20.35 # Arathis: what player do you have? 01.20.48 # markun: yeh 01.20.58 # toffe82: Just gonna look at that now :P 01.20.59 # toffe82: ick =/ 01.21.07 # how is that port going btw? 01.21.28 # scorche: What's wrong with teh gigabeat S60? 01.21.30 # Rincewind: h10 01.21.30 # there is only one person really working on it :( 01.21.33 # * stripwax outties 01.21.41 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 01.21.46 # Javacat: the original firmware 01.21.55 # Rincewind: I have a 20gb, but i think the one asking has a 5/6gb 01.21.56 # ah 01.22.23 # which really doesnt matter to us, but rockbox isnt ported to it yet, so that is all there is 01.22.30 # Arathis: if you had a hxx you could have used my rec button patch for the playlist insert 01.23.09 # hm.. the gigabeat S60s standard firmware doesn't do what i want 01.23.13 # Javacat: the official specs of the Zen Vision:M don't mention Ogg Vorbis 01.23.19 # oh 01.23.30 # gah 01.23.32 # http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=213&subcategory=214&product=14331 01.24.41 # good night all 01.24.44 # What are the chances of the SHA1 verification problem on the zen being resolved? 01.24.48 # cya markun 01.25.59 # I think rockbox will run on the S before the creative 01.26.13 # because of the protection 01.26.41 # but, there is always the chance that it wont run on either, unfortunately 01.27.10 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 01.27.28 # pixelma: you called me? 01.28.12 # k good bye 01.28.14 # hi, yes 01.28.22 # Whatever MP3 player I get I'll be compromising at least one of my requirements :( 01.28.24 # Hello 01.28.36 Quit maffe- (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC for those that like to be different") 01.28.50 # Appart from the cowon... 01.29.05 # then get one of those 01.29.08 # * scorche shrugs 01.29.11 # ££ 01.29.38 # you checked on ebay? 01.29.57 # Can I have rockbox and IPL installed at the same time? 01.30.01 # I seem to remember that I can. 01.30.03 # yes 01.30.48 # There's one Cowon iAudio X5 60GB on ebay @ £220 with £16 postage 01.30.57 # *£14 postage 01.31.00 # wow 01.31.24 # well, if you want, you can check the us ebay for example and get someone to ship it to you 01.33.05 # ooo http://www.advancedmp3players.co.uk/shop/product_info.php?products_id=1011 01.33.35 # £220 with free next day delivery 01.36.17 # Shipping from the USA would work out around £45 cheaper 01.36.37 # that is quite a bit 01.36.59 # yeh 01.37.06 # Where are you located? 01.37.17 # various places 01.37.25 # What country :P 01.37.30 # the US 01.37.30 # out of interest 01.37.32 # k 01.38.40 Part toffe82 01.39.47 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 01.41.34 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 01.41.34 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.41.55 Join Xerion [0] (i=xerion@vhe-382201.sshn.net) 01.44.24 # When trying to insert only one track by 'contextmenu -> playlist -> insert I get the following error message: "error accessing playlist control file". loading a playlist or inserting the whole list by selecting one track works great on the other hand. but doing so after getting the error msg the player freezes at the wps. iriver h10/20gb with rockbox from yesterday 01.45.29 Quit moos ("Glory to Rockbox") 01.46.26 # Is the last.fm patch included as standard in the Cowon build? 01.46.53 # all builds have last.fm support 01.46.58 # ok 01.47.30 # there's some minor bugs (first or last song not always scrobbled) 01.47.43 # ok 01.48.10 # When using rockbox, when plugging the mp3 player in, is it detected as a standard USB mass storage device? 01.48.23 # yes 01.48.26 # ok 01.48.42 # Think I'm going to get the Cowon iAudio X5 then 01.48.46 # and install rockbox :D 01.49.33 # * petur hits a key labeled 'sleep' 01.49.39 Quit petur ("Zzzzz") 01.50.32 # It's been fun guys, thanks for the help with my rockbox questions. 01.50.33 # Cya's 01.50.35 Part buleeahn ("Leaving") 01.51.27 # any ideas about my bug? or is it known already? 01.53.39 # is there something I could do to help the ipod 80gig port? 02.03.02 Quit Rincewind (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.03.18 Join Rincewind_ [0] (n=xchatter@i3ED6EA2E.versanet.de) 02.03.33 Quit ender` (" I spilled Spot Remover on my dog... Now he's gone.") 02.06.34 Quit _vertic23 () 02.08.18 # Arathis: interesting, haven't seen something like this in ages - but there were a few reports of it since yesterday (here and in the forums, I think) 02.08.50 # any solutions or suggestions about it? 02.08.53 # +yet 02.14.28 # I believe it wasn't taken seriously so far (because it can happen every now and then), but if more and more people report it... maybe that's something for JdGordon hwo converted the context menus yesterday... 02.14.35 # *who 02.15.29 # just a guess though 02.21.14 # markun: ping 02.24.02 # pixelma: he seems to have it fixed already. I installed the latest build and it workes again :) 02.27.34 # good to know 02.28.05 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-70-135-35-32.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) 02.33.25 Quit aldo () 02.33.48 Quit Rincewind_ ("Cya") 02.35.08 Join webguest13 [0] (i=4a84afb0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b7a0a65081937e67) 02.37.37 # Is there any plan making rockbox fully themable? so you can make a theme for the wps, boot-screen and the menus, possibly including images in the menu? 02.38.26 # Is using an Archos version on my Creative MuVo c100 possible? They are alike. google has pictures. 02.40.31 # Is using an Archos version on my Creative MuVo c100 possible? They are alike. google has pictures.% 02.40.39 # Is using an Archos version on my Creative MuVo c100 possible? They are alike. google has pictures.% 02.40.40 DBUG Enqueued KICK webguest13 02.40.40 # Is using an Archos version on my Creative MuVo c100 possible? They are alike. google has pictures.% 02.40.42 # Is using an Archos version on my Creative MuVo c100 possible? They are alike. google has pictures.% 02.40.43 # webguest13: no ! 02.40.44 *** Alert Mode level 1 02.40.44 # Is using an Archos version on my Creative MuVo c100 possible? They are alike. google has pictures.% 02.40.50 # no need to repeat 02.40.52 # Is using an Archos version on my Creative MuVo c100 possible? They are alike. google has pictures.%Is using an Archos version on my Creative MuVo c100 possible? They are alike. google has pictures.%Is using an Archos version on my Creative MuVo c100 possible? They are alike. google has pictures.%Is using an Archos version on my Creative MuVo c100 possible? They are alike. google has pictures.%Is using an Arch 02.41.02 Mode "#rockbox +o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 02.41.07 Kick (#rockbox webguest13 :Kick!) by scorche!i=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche 02.41.07 *** Alert Mode level 2 02.43.01 # good grief 02.43.19 # spamming like that via cgi-irc must be a bit tiresome :P 02.43.26 # unless it was scripted 02.43.57 # copy+paste isnt that hard 02.44.12 # hahaha. 02.44.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.44.46 # has anyone a comment to my question before the spam-wave? :) 02.45.19 # not really =) 02.47.30 Quit Domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.48.03 # or is this part of the viewport model? 02.50.00 # can't remember who is working on thatone 02.51.08 *** Alert Mode OFF 02.51.58 Join element_G [0] (n=g-force@S0106001346a401fd.ed.shawcable.net) 02.55.24 Part pixelma 02.55.54 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 03.13.08 Quit secleinteer (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.13.31 Join secleinteer [0] (n=secleint@70.230.189.24) 03.13.45 Join atsea- [0] (i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-b9910872ecee9c3f) 03.15.27 Quit Pimpdaddypayne ("Leaving") 03.18.49 Quit kkurbjun (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 03.29.31 Quit chris_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.42.05 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@c-71-205-145-105.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 03.43.14 Join deweycooter [0] (i=455b3a4d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-afa5a614e9809ceb) 03.47.28 Quit deweycooter (Client Quit) 03.48.04 Join Steve__ [0] (n=chatzill@user-12lmeid.cable.mindspring.com) 03.48.12 Nick Steve__ is now known as deweycooter (n=chatzill@user-12lmeid.cable.mindspring.com) 03.54.54 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@cpe-74-71-205-222.twcny.res.rr.com) 03.58.27 Quit Javacat ("sleep") 04.06.31 Join hannesd_ [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 04.06.50 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 04.12.24 # anyone on? looking for some info on dircache... 04.14.13 # what kind of info ? 04.14.50 Join JdGor|uni [0] (i=82c20d69@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5c1972e83fde19d3) 04.15.01 # trying to write a customization - is there a global var that i can step thru to look for a certain directory - need to see how many files are in it 04.15.01 # hey all 04.15.14 # jhMikeS: how did you figur eout which chip the sansa lcd controller was? 04.15.36 # deweycooter: sorry , cannot answer 04.20.42 Part TrueJournals 04.21.35 Quit hannesd (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.23.06 Join hostf4cekilla [0] (n=chatzill@pool-70-22-207-151.bos.east.verizon.net) 04.32.23 Join Hilikus [0] (n=rockero@bas4-montreal19-1242419325.dsl.bell.ca) 04.33.03 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 04.33.56 # hey guys 04.39.11 Part element_G ("Kopete 0.12.4 : http://kopete.kde.org") 04.40.08 Part TrueJournals 04.40.44 # im trying to debug a wps thats supposed to show cover art, i patched my build. this is the error i get in the sim 04.40.56 # Failed parsing on line 15 : Invalid conditional char (not in an open conditional) 04.42.00 # line 15 is %C|0|20|75|75| 04.42.10 # any ideas what could be wrong? 04.44.13 # check the log of yesterday , somebody had the same problem : http://www.rockbox.org/irc/reader.pl?date=20070501 04.44.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.44.43 # at the beginnig of the log 04.45.41 # I am not sure but you should writ %| instead of | 04.47.41 # will do 04.51.00 Quit JdGor|uni ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 04.56.26 # which one of the | should i escape 05.02.13 # the ones you want to display, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS#Other_Tags 05.14.33 Quit deweycooter (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.16.48 # any idea what %m is? its in a .wps file but i dont find it in the list of tags 05.17.02 # %m|80|160|%al%t10%pp/%pe;%m|80|160|%al%t10%cH:MPc 05.21.05 Join Oleh [0] (n=chatzill@bas15-toronto12-1168012430.dsl.bell.ca) 05.22.02 Nick Oleh is now known as Mad-Cow (n=chatzill@bas15-toronto12-1168012430.dsl.bell.ca) 05.29.15 Join kkurbjun [0] (n=kkurbjun@c-71-196-151-224.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 05.29.19 # /join#gigabeat 05.29.29 # oops 05.30.28 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 05.30.34 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 05.32.09 # kkurbjun: I think you fail 05.33.42 # yep, can't type 05.33.53 # any idea on the %m? i cant google that string :S 05.41.01 # nm, i found it 05.41.02 # JdGordon: I knew what that it had to be Renesas after looking at the init sequence. 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Well, I guess this will motivate that addition if not. 08.58.47 # so if we have a range of -6 to 9 in steps of 1.5, then it would be -60 to 90 with a step of 15 and a numdecimals of 1 09.01.11 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 09.02.13 Join lids_ [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-e40db5c26e28e2d7) 09.05.01 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.10.20 Join B4gder [0] (n=daniel@static-213-115-255-230.sme.bredbandsbolaget.se) 09.12.16 # * petur sees article about sectorsizes > 512 becoming standard: http://www.sys-con.com/read/368465_p.htm 09.12.54 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 09.13.43 Join norbusan [0] (n=norbusan@chello213047086216.5.14.tuwien.teleweb.at) 09.15.52 Part norbusan 09.19.00 Quit midkay (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.19.10 Join [steveo] [0] (n=steve_64@84.105.dsl.mel.iprimus.net.au) 09.23.35 # <[steveo]> ok hmm so i turn off my gigabeat f40 (with rockbox) 3hrs later i turn it back on and im missing movies pics but still have music... also missing the rockbox folder,recycle bin folder and all that 09.23.55 # <[steveo]> what happened =o 09.24.16 # <[steveo]> the stuff is still on it, its just not showing up 09.28.47 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.28.59 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@adsl-65-67-115-68.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 09.29.19 # [steveo]: did you reset your settings by accident? 09.30.51 # * JdGordon wishes twiki had the discussion section like mediawiki 09.32.14 # JdGordon: i have wished the same 09.32.25 # oh...whoops 09.32.38 Mode "#rockbox -o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 09.47.28 # <[steveo]> petur i didnt reset anything lol i was playing music at the time i turned it off 09.48.03 # <[steveo]> the folders for pics and movies are still there next to music but nothing is in ethier of em 09.48.27 # also gone when looking at it from pc? 09.48.32 # <[steveo]> nope 09.48.42 # <[steveo]> so not deleted 09.49.10 # can you check that 'view files' is set to 'All' 09.49.11 # <[steveo]> reinstall rockbox? 09.49.30 # I suspect View Files is set to "Music" 09.50.04 # <[steveo]> ba petur that was it, y would it change on its own? lol i 100% didnt change it 09.50.34 # <[steveo]> ty for ur help, any reason it would change? 09.51.11 # maybe the gigabeat fairy did it... 09.52.00 # <[steveo]> hehe guess it was just a strange fk up =) 09.52.47 # a solar storm or something 09.54.02 # petur: if that article is true, I guess we're going to need to make those FAT / ATA driver changes sooner rather than later eh ? 09.54.39 # [steveo]: installed any theme/wps? 09.54.39 # jhMikeS: Voice does support decimals... take a look at output_dyn_value() 09.55.55 # [steveo]: or somehow selected a .cfg file that contained that setting? 09.56.44 # does LBDS also apply to SCSI disks I wonder 09.57.02 # do SCSI disks still exist? B-] 09.57.10 # * GodEater has seen them in the server room 09.57.12 # :) 09.57.24 # * petur has two 4GB disks for sale ;) 09.57.27 # * scorche lubs SCSI 09.57.42 # the standard doesn't appear to mention either ATA or SCSI 09.58.16 # amiconn: ok, should be good for the gigabeat tone controls then, right? 09.58.44 # GodEater: its not like manufacturers are going to start using this tomorow.. no real rush 09.58.56 # would be nice fixing the ata driver to get the 80gb ipods working though 09.59.02 # <[steveo]> na petur was just playing music before it happened, makes no diffrence now its working and if ever happens again i know how to fix now ;) thx 09.59.25 # JdGordon: true, but as you mention, we already know of one manufacturer that's not using 512 byte sectors anymore 10.00.38 # the article says 4k sectors though, is apple being naughty? or..? 10.00.43 # I might start looking at the 80gb iPod again since Linus seems to have stalled on it permanently now. The Fat32 code scares me though 10.00.49 Quit YouCeyE (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.00.52 # JdGordon: well, it's not apple really, it's Toshiba 10.01.00 # both of them 10.01.10 # and the ATA standard allows for sector sizes in the range of 512 -> 4096 10.01.20 # including the 2048 / 1024 byte sizes we see on the iPods 10.01.31 # too bad I don't have an 80GB ipoo, I'm a bit familiar with fat 10.02.27 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c2763a68a7cbfea6) 10.02.28 # I think I need to print the spec out and use it for some light bed time reading material 10.02.38 # hahaha look who's there 10.02.44 # amiconn: it has 1.5db steps is what I'm saying 10.03.57 # hehe, i have pretty much stalled with all rockbox development at the moment 10.04.04 # LinusN: when you first started looking at the 80GB ipod problem, you submitted a patch to flyspray with (I think) just ATA changes in it right ? 10.04.14 # or did it contain changed FAT code too ? 10.04.22 # i was hoping that i could have a look at the devcon 10.04.29 # GodEater: yes 10.04.34 # only ata 10.04.49 # and as I recall, that kind of broke the directory cache code ? 10.05.00 # it did? 10.05.09 # wasn't aware of that 10.05.12 # I definitely remember running something you gave me 10.05.35 # and it gave duplicate entries in the file list 10.05.45 # I could have sworn we thought it was the directory cache 10.05.48 # but I could be wrong 10.06.05 # I'm sure amiconn looked at it too 10.06.41 # that wasn't the dir cache, and that wasn't the ata code 10.06.48 Quit jhulst_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.06.49 # ah 10.06.59 # must have been something you didn't even put in flyspray then I guess 10.07.04 # that was my first attempt at modifying the FAT32 readdir() code 10.07.14 # that rings a bell 10.07.56 # those duplicates were driving me nuts when doing recording work 10.10.16 # LinusN: just so I've got something to start with - was there more stuff which needed changing in the ATA patch to make it work on the 80GB, or was that part basically "done" ? 10.10.48 # GodEater: it depends a little on the general approach 10.11.02 # did you write down your intended approach anywhere ? 10.11.06 # or is it just in your head ? :) 10.11.10 # but yes, that change is probably all you need for the ATA layer 10.11.43 # my approach is to let the FAT32 and file I/O code deal with the sector alignment 10.12.02 # instead of doing it at the ATA level presumably ? 10.14.55 # * GodEater wishes his laptop was back from the repair shop 10.18.46 Join obo [0] (n=obo@host217-41-62-170.in-addr.btopenworld.com) 10.20.54 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@84.191.72.230) 10.22.00 # GodEater: yes 10.22.39 # did that ATA patch ever get submitted to svn, or is it still just in patch form ? 10.23.22 # * amiconn still thinks doing it at the ata level is significantly easier than butchering fat.c 10.23.44 # It's not as elegant, but it would be a working solution 10.24.04 # amiconn is welcome to implement it that way if he wants :) 10.25.00 # although if I think about it - I think you're probably right. 10.26.04 # I could do so, but I have no device to test on 10.27.26 # it sure feels like ATA issues should be handled in the ATA driver, but i fear that the ATA driver will be awfully inefficient with all the sector caching 10.28.16 # inefficient in terms of speed / memory use / power consumption, or all of the above ? 10.28.19 # #ifdef it for the ipod only? 10.28.50 # GodEater: all of the above 10.28.55 # well, not memory 10.29.15 # it will consume very little memory, the only resource we have plenty of 10.29.56 # JdGordon: the inefficiency would only be for the ipod 10.30.05 # then whats the problem? 10.30.14 # the inefficiency 10.30.21 # we'd have a new winner in terms of least well performing rockbox target 10.30.34 # exactly 10.30.36 # it would really be a killer? 10.30.47 # * GodEater is happy to wear that badge if it takes the heat off the real devs ;) 10.30.49 # the ipods aren't performing too good right now 10.31.05 # "I made the 80GB iPod work for only 2 hours!" 10.31.11 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007040314]") 10.31.17 # i think this is definitely devcon material 10.32.19 # LinusN: The inefficieny would be probably less than you might think 10.32.28 # I guess we don't know *how* killer it would be until we actually try it though 10.32.42 # Large reads/writes would of course not go through the cache, only single (logical) sector accesses would 10.32.47 # perhaps, it would mostly affect the FAT lookups 10.33.02 # This would be 95% identical to what the MMC driver does with large blocks 10.33.17 # even then, only 50% of them would NEED to go through the cache ( I think ) 10.33.39 # MMCs >= 1GB have 1KB blocks, MMCs >=2GB have 2KB blocks, while the file system still operates based on 512 byte sectors 10.34.07 # the biggest penalty would be FAT updates 10.34.18 # which we don't do masses of 10.34.21 # true 10.34.22 # So the MMC driver has 2 block caches where blocks are disassembled to / assembled from sectors 10.34.57 # if doing it in the ATA driver is where it was done for MMC, I think we shouldn't rock the boat and take a different route with big block disks 10.35.01 # (the block cahces are necessary for 512 byte blocks as well, but that's due to the SH1 SPI) 10.35.20 # my opinion is that the FAT driver in general is inefficient on all targets that have memory to spare 10.35.24 # amiconn is talking in acronyms I don't know again. 10.35.38 # SPI == serial peripheral interface 10.35.48 # * JdGordon learnt about that in lectures last week :) 10.35.56 # LinusN: if that's the case, shouldn't we do a complete re-write, rather than hacking the existing one ? 10.36.20 # The SH1 serial sends the LSB first, while most other implementations expect MSB first 10.36.21 # GodEater: more or less 10.36.26 # ... even still the large blocks should still be handled in the ata driver... 10.36.30 # So we need to bitswap the data on SH1 10.36.50 # pain in the arse 10.37.16 # And for writing data this can't be done in place (for reading it can, and is) 10.38.07 # This bitswapping is familiar from the other archoses, since the MAS is hooked up to SPI as well (for playback) 10.38.14 # I'm really coming round to amiconn's way of thinking here - I think the change should happen at the ATA level, and leave the current FAT driver alone 10.38.34 # make a re-write of the FAT code a project for another (possibly rainy) day 10.38.36 # So on Ondio the data needs to be bitswapped twice... and even then it's capable of handling WAV realtime 10.38.52 # GSoC next year maybe :) 10.38.52 # only one rainy day? ;-) 10.39.00 # bluebrother: I'm very optimisitic ;) 10.39.05 # hehe 10.39.48 Join norbusan [0] (n=norbusan@chello213047086216.5.14.tuwien.teleweb.at) 10.39.52 Part norbusan 10.41.58 # * JdGordon slow to the party... just realised why 512b writes are going to be so slow :p 10.42.12 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp244-128.adsl.forthnet.gr) 10.42.13 # though, I still rekon its worth it to get the extra port 10.42.28 # XavierGr: pong 10.43.24 # ... reading sequencial blocks would get a speed up though wouldnt it? 10.43.29 Join roolku [0] (n=roolku@82-41-2-141.cable.ubr01.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 10.44.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.45.00 # *if* we were going to re-write our FAT driver, is there some reason why we shouldn't nick the code from uclinux ? 10.45.11 # because theirs is very wildly inefficient? 10.45.14 # uclinux is linux 10.45.17 # besides, you can't just nick code like that 10.45.20 # it'd take ages to adapt 10.45.21 # linux fat driver is huuge 10.45.32 # and based on the vfs of linux 10.45.43 # ah hey markun, do you happen to know about font encodings etc? I ask because I remember you doing some sort of work about that and wanted to confirm something 10.47.44 # Hm, not sure what you are refering too 10.47.56 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 10.49.35 # * GodEater realised you couldn't just take it as is - but didn't appreciate it was SO hugely different. So that answers my question - thank you. 10.49.39 # markun: well I just discovered that a specific letter in greek won't show up correctly in rockbox no matter what font I use. I remember that you did some work on adding greek glyphs on nimbus so you might have an idea about it 10.50.53 # maybe you can take a look at the charts at unicode.org 10.50.58 # and tell me which glyph is missing 10.51.14 # ok I will search there 10.51.24 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 10.51.43 # thing is that it might not be missing just mapped wrong (if that can be happen, I don't know a thing about encodings) 10.54.07 # does it happen with filenames as well? 10.54.37 # markun: code 0386 greek capital letter alpha with tonos (from the pdf in the greek code chart) 10.54.55 # markun: yes, in filenames, viewer and the UI 10.55.00 # ok, I'll check it out later 10.55.23 # with all fonts it looks like an apostrophe 10.55.24 # thanks 10.55.58 # it just appeared to me while pixelma was trying to add greek glyphs to nimbus-10 and saw it there only to discover the same behaviour on all fonts 10.56.01 # On the player it does not :) 10.56.02 # (even unifont) 10.56.13 # (but the tonos isn't shown) 10.56.19 # ah yeah I remember that :P 10.58.05 # http://www.pjrc.com/tech/8051/ide/fat32.html has 3 links to fat32 implementations which might be usable 11.00.58 # XavierGr: I don't know any greek, so I might have made some mistakes here and there 11.01.12 # what is the tonos supposed to look like? 11.02.38 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84.255.206.8) 11.02.52 # a little accent above letters 11.03.03 # I could give you the pdf that has the icon of it 11.03.08 # (link to it) 11.03.24 # http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0370.pdf 11.03.49 # the exact glyph is shown on block 0386 11.05.02 # Well, to me it looks like an apostrophe :) 11.06.48 # you mean on the pdf or rockbox? 11.07.07 Join Entasis [0] (n=Jarred@ppp48-102.lns11.adl2.internode.on.net) 11.07.15 # looks liek accent aigu to me =P 11.07.18 # like 11.07.37 # the letter I am reffering to is a capital Alpha (code: 0391) with the tonos (code 0384) 11.07.54 # XavierGr: yes, I understand 11.08.07 # on rockbox it looks just like a plain apostrophe without a letter 11.08.18 # without a letter? 11.08.19 # (on all other vowels it works correctly btw) 11.08.30 # ok, I can check it out 11.08.46 # or you can ask pixelma if she can fix it for you as she'w working on the fonts these days 11.09.33 # well is it a font problem or character mapping? 11.13.20 Quit [steveo] () 11.14.45 # markun: I mean is is that the fonts don't include the glyph or that the character mapping is not correct. (I dont know how font staff work so I might be saying silly things) 11.16.36 # XavierGr: if they don't include the glyph you should see the dotted square 11.16.51 Quit FOAD ("Lost terminal") 11.17.19 # ah so it is a mapping issue 11.17.33 # yes 11.17.43 # if that's the case the I am not how this can be fixed 11.17.48 # ^then 11.17.54 Join Br3nda [0] (n=brenda@121-73-1-165.cable.telstraclear.net) 11.18.05 # well, just draw the right glyph for each font 11.18.45 # I might have drawn an apostrophe to save some horizontal space, not knowing that it would change the meaning 11.18.45 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 11.19.30 # should the tonos be above the A or in the left-upper corner? 11.20.02 # well for capitals it is normally in the left-upper corner 11.20.11 # just like the pdf renders it 11.22.24 # markun: the part that I don't understand is: if it is a mapping issue then what it has to do with the font itself? 11.23.06 # it seems to me that rockbox asks from the font a different glyph from what it should normally call 11.23.06 # If you have the alpha with tonos do you only see ' or 'A ? 11.23.15 # I see only ' 11.23.18 # weird 11.23.28 # on all other letters it works 11.23.41 # maybe an error from my part? 11.23.50 # I don't know 11.24.08 # strange indeed 11.24.11 # but I don't have time to look into it now 11.24.28 # yeah no hurry I am just mentioning it 11.25.18 Quit FOAD ("Lost terminal") 11.25.57 # pff it might be my bad in the end 11.26.15 # the UI seems to render correctly that rare case. 11.26.46 # I wonder what is giving me only the apostrophe when I am writing that glyph on a filename 11.30.03 Quit bawb2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.30.57 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 11.36.05 Join myndzi\ [0] (i=myndzi@myndzi.seckzi.com) 11.43.59 Join bawb2 [0] (n=bawb2@ip50210.estcmp.ku.edu) 11.44.21 Quit bawb2 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.53.54 Quit FOAD ("I'll be back") 11.54.44 Quit myndzi (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.55.33 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 11.57.56 # GodEater: your BryanChilds right? "disk is written in 1024 byte chunks now" shouldnt that be 2048? 12.02.37 # JdGordon: so, how an I going to get a setting of say 4.5db to say "4 point 5 decibels" instead of "45 decibels"? 12.04.20 # umm.... hmm? 12.04.55 # the gigabeat needs a tenth db setting on the tone controls since the steps are 1.5 amiconn said there's a function that does it 12.05.08 # I'm not sure where in the menu code to look 12.05.56 # umm... iirc thats done by having the setting *10 and using the formatter... 12.06.14 # the settings have no way of dealing with reals... 12.06.25 # float's even 12.06.27 # the setting is *10 already 12.06.36 # -60 to 90 step 15 12.08.24 # does the menu code use output_dyn_value? 12.08.37 # cant remembe... 12.08.44 # oh, you want to get it to voice 4.5? 12.09.15 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust362.winn.cable.ntl.com) 12.09.20 # yes 12.09.21 # one way you could do it is talk_id(4, UNIT_INT); talk(LAND_POINT); ... 12.09.33 # or just not worry about the voice :p 12.09.37 # output_dyn_value already has that available 12.10.54 # the menu doesnt use it 12.11.39 Join webguest52 [0] (i=51429e87@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-92af0b204c859c28) 12.14.08 # hmmm...where's that code? 12.14.22 # which? 12.15.30 # the menu code for that, or you still don't remember? ;) 12.15.46 # JdGordon: for some reason the disk is presented differently under USB than when you run code on the actual target. 12.16.01 # when you write to the disk over usb, the sector size is indeed 2048 byte 12.16.11 # but on the unit itself, you use 1024 bytes 12.16.32 Join David1 [0] (i=3ce08031@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b14e35e196b379fd) 12.17.50 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@unaffiliated/youceye) 12.17.51 # jhMikeS: menu.c :p 12.18.06 # JdGordon: It does draw it right, but I'm not seeing right off how it actually gets the value list 12.18.09 # Hello! Can you please tell me when the seeking on MPEG Player will be implemented? 12.18.20 # talk_menu_item 12.18.29 # David1: no, that's impossible to tell 12.18.31 # * JdGordon brb 12.18.32 # Hello! Can you please tell me when the seeking on MPEG Player will be implemented? 12.18.33 # David1: when someone decides to write it 12.18.37 # David1: yesterday :P 12.18.43 # David1: jhMikeS plans to do it I think 12.18.45 # David1: As usual, when it's done. And we heard you the first time. 12.19.01 # Sorry 12.19.02 # * jhMikeS decided to write it but I really want dual core stuff implemented 12.19.10 # So months weeks or years? 12.19.15 # LOL 12.19.17 # David1: exactly 12.19.32 # What, there are dual core MP3 players? 12.19.37 # What? 12.19.39 # intgr: ipods 12.19.47 # intgr: all PP devices 12.19.47 # all portalplayer targets 12.19.49 # intgr: and other portalplayer based targets 12.19.50 # GodEater: Specialized cores? 12.19.57 # winner! 12.19.59 # intgr: no - generalised as I understand it 12.20.03 # intgr: no, just 2 ARM7 cores 12.20.05 # scorche: well done ;) 12.20.07 # So weeks? 12.20.10 # What's the point then? :S 12.20.14 # I'll implement as if I have it available and then fudge until it works 12.20.14 # David1: or months or years 12.20.18 # David1: we dont give out timelines 12.20.28 # Well which? 12.20.30 # David1: You can always help a little with a bounty. :) 12.20.32 # Oh OK 12.20.33 # David1: we dont give out timelines 12.20.40 # David1: People work on Rockbox as a hobby in their spare time... 12.20.56 # yeah, I need to buy an iPod Photo/Color 12.21.03 # ante up 12.21.30 # David1: maybe someone is secretly working on it and will come her in a few minutes and tell us "I added seeking support to MpegPlayer, where can I post my patch?" 12.21.30 # :) 12.21.33 # Can I pay them to do it? 12.21.36 # How much? 12.22.11 # Hundreds thousands? 12.22.23 # jhMikeS: yes, how much? :) 12.22.36 # One iPod photo/color to get dual core support running on all players would help 12.22.41 Quit FOAD ("I'll be back") 12.22.45 # speaking of ante... jhMikeS: can you please edit yourself on the "Who" section of the wiki as per the latest mail please? (it really makes things easier for me) 12.23.15 # markun: How much do you need? 12.23.17 # scorche: sure 12.24.13 # Someone is secretly working on it??? 12.24.20 # LINK FOR DOWNLOAD 12.24.20 # You, know, maybe the supposedly uncached RAM is still being cached there which would bust that...besides a defective swpb...nothing else should 12.24.21 # ???? 12.24.22 # David1: buy one ipod photo/video to jhMikeS like he said he need one for working on rockbox 12.24.51 # What about a gigabeat? 12.24.53 # :) 12.25.07 # * jhMikeS has one but it's single core 12.25.16 # jhMikeS: Then you need another ;) 12.25.34 # One ipod and another gigabeat...yeah, sounds alright :) 12.25.40 # David1: he need an ipd video/photo or iriver h10... 12.26.08 # Where do I send it? 12.26.10 # Address? 12.26.21 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 12.26.36 # * jhMikeS needs a test on another PP5020 target to see if it's only the iPod going weird 12.26.44 # jhMikeS: ??? ; ) 12.27.06 # Who has the H10 again? 12.27.51 # barry was the one that worked on that, if that is what you are asking 12.27.53 Quit David1 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 12.27.54 # ...and maybe linuxstb would kindly test with the changed instuction? :D 12.28.10 # jhMikeS: back... 12.28.34 # scorche: right...if he's around and I'm not mention I'd like a quick test with that. thanks 12.29.00 # does he know where the patch is located?....FS? 12.29.17 # scorche: I can put it on my person wiki page I suppose 12.29.19 # the value is got from menu->submenus[sel]->variable .... 12.29.23 # personal 12.29.37 # There's one there but it's not the latest 12.31.31 Join scubacoles [0] (n=scoles@122.49.149.192) 12.31.32 # JdGordon: thanks. The sound stuff needs fractional settings indeed to be right. Having the correct values also fixes the sound a bit since set_prescaled_volume kind of relied on it to be right 12.35.06 Quit GodEater (Remote closed the connection) 12.35.07 # jhMikeS: What do you need? 12.36.17 # linuxstb: just to change the swpb to swp in test_and_set in thread.h. I know it's stupid but it's the kind of thing that systematically rules out possible causes. 12.36.59 # if it's not that, it would have to be the RAM is still cached or something 12.39.33 # markun: btw, I've much more than started it but syncing stuff after seek will just not be so reliable and really nasty if the COP can't send messages to the buffer thread 12.39.41 Join norbusan [0] (n=norbusan@dhcp03.algebra.tuwien.ac.at) 12.39.47 Part norbusan 12.43.07 # and what I hope to have there is a simple buffer that can be moved to the core and split away from playback and be multistream/COP compatible...then after that...video with codecs 12.44.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.46.49 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 12.48.00 # * jhMikeS must sound like a lunatic for wanting so much lined up in advance :P 12.49.07 # jhMikeS: Is there an updated version of yesterday's threading patch? 12.50.01 # It's been working ok here on a single core (H340) FWIW. 12.54.07 # pindlife: no update yet and not much changed from it except some queue squeezdown 12.54.19 # s/pindlife:/pondlife:/ :) 12.54.37 # :) 12.58.39 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@84.191.72.230) 13.00.12 # jhMikeS: I assume you mean with your latest patch applied as well? 13.01.19 Join crop [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3d1012ea384df5ee) 13.01.28 # XavierGr: here? 13.01.51 # yes, otherwise it doesn't get used in the core 13.02.10 # only by the CPU anway 13.02.22 # jhMikeS: BTW, I've just noticed a warning - comparison between signed/unsigned in line 192 of kernel.c 13.02.46 Join lids [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-5d0436dc50cb3da4) 13.03.10 # yes, you can just change it to "unsigned int i;" 13.03.55 # probably doesn't matter though 13.03.56 # jhMikeS: Still freezes... 13.04.38 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 13.04.53 # hrm, then that memory likely is still cached...but thanks for checking it out 13.05.06 Quit lids_ (Remote closed the connection) 13.05.11 Quit scubacoles ("Leaving") 13.06.28 # BTW, CPU_ARM is defined for PP chips, so "#if defined(CPU_PP) || defined(CPU_PP)" can just be "#ifdef CPU_ARM" (around the definition of test_and_set() in thread.h) 13.06.47 # I mean "#if defined(CPU_PP) || defined(CPU_AM)" 13.06.55 # argh, you know what I mean... 13.07.00 # :) 13.07.00 # XavierGr, markun: I've checked nimbus-12. The mentioned glyph (Alphatonos) seems to be ok and in the right position (0x386=902). @XavierGr: could you check your tags? Are they correctly displayed on the PC? 13.08.22 # * linuxstb wonders if we should use something like ARCH_ARM instead of CPU_ 13.10.20 # if we go to a 4th target tree level we should 13.11.49 Quit amigan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.12.06 # yeah, gigabeat won't pick it up then :) 13.13.13 # now that I think about it...CPU_ARM should be enough but that's how it was left 13.14.32 # crop: are you still planning to come to the devcon? 13.14.47 # JdGordon: is that the bit that calls down to talk_setting? 13.15.05 # yes 13.16.30 # can the sound menu hook it to do it instead? it can then use the num_decimals field. 13.18.05 # ? 13.18.29 # markun: not anymore. This was a one day thought. 13.18.49 # do you live in Sweden? 13.19.14 # JdGordon: sound.c defines a num_decimals field which gives the string back from say 45 as "4.5db" 13.19.38 # markun: no 13.19.42 # ok, but how can we voice the string? 13.21.31 # I'm not sure where the string is even being obtained (i.e. the call to get the string) 13.22.14 # the formatter or whatever it is that does it 13.23.21 # you talking about sound_numdecimals()? 13.23.30 # set_sound() calls it 13.23.32 # yes 13.25.47 # is there a function which can voice a decimal value? 13.25.50 # from the string..? 13.25.51 # It looks like it's supposed to actually talk it right 13.26.00 # no 13.26.33 # why's it calling sound_numdecimals and not using it? 13.26.44 Quit ze (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.27.13 # I dont know... that code wasnt touched very much to make it work when the settings went into the lists... 13.27.27 # * JdGordon cant wait till semester holidays 13.27.31 # soo much to fix up :p 13.27.39 # dec_sound_formatter is supposed to do it 13.28.33 # oh wait, nvm it doesn't handle the talking part 13.28.44 # yeah... two seperate things... 13.28.57 # We might need a decimal talker funct 13.29.05 # or just leave it for the time being 13.31.21 # the set_xxx should just take struct that have a pointer passed around all over the place. the legacy stuff can wrap that. 13.31.52 # then it's just trivial to add new params to it 13.32.12 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.32.43 Quit lids (Remote closed the connection) 13.36.27 Quit crop ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 13.37.58 Join lids [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-5ab99dda2fb5233a) 13.40.10 Quit gursikh ("Leaving") 13.42.29 # hehe, just figures a hack to passing a struct pointer when the string should go :P 13.43.59 # jhMikeS: thats the plan.. sort of 13.44.24 # long term goal for the setting screens is simplify the interface alot 13.51.39 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 13.52.19 Join jhulst_ [0] (n=jhulst@c-71-205-145-105.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 13.57.41 Quit webguest52 ("CGI:IRC") 13.58.38 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.03.09 Quit Br3nda (Remote closed the connection) 14.03.58 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484afc3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.06.07 Join ctaf [0] (n=ctaf@ram94-6-82-242-23-70.fbx.proxad.net) 14.06.28 Part ctaf 14.10.30 # jhMikeS: I doubt that iram is cached on PP5020. But another idea would be to try to use the 'mailboxes'... 14.13.16 # amiconn: can try other things, but something must be amiss somehow if such a simple thing works basically everywhere else but there 14.13.38 # I don't think mpegplayer would work at all if iram was cached on PP5020 14.14.46 # There's nothing to this thing so the fact it breaks there says somethings goofed 14.14.49 Quit lids (Remote closed the connection) 14.14.49 Quit atsea- (Broken pipe) 14.15.27 # that's exactly what happens with wrong values read from the lock 14.16.58 # I'll test that out of course 14.20.13 # jhMikeS: Are you going to bid on that 40GB Photo you linked to on ebay yesterday? 14.21.17 Join lids [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-25636c98a7f4e411) 14.21.52 # should I? I wonder if the price bloated way up by now 14.22.32 Join atsea- [0] (i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-2237782a9a2065c8) 14.23.16 Quit FOAD (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.23.51 # It's still quite cheap with 12 hours to go - http://cgi.ebay.com/Apple-IPOD-Photo-40GB-Color-MP3-Player-White-M9585LL-A_W0QQitemZ260113271406QQihZ016QQcategoryZ90964QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 14.24.29 # But there seem to be a lot of bidders, so the price is sure to rise 14.25.41 # I just put what I'm willing to pay minus shipping and leave it usually. So let it rise. I'll try until I hit...usually a few times at most. 14.25.43 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 14.27.04 # I expect the greyscale 4th gen or the 1st gen mini would be cheaper - they also have the same issues afaik. 14.28.25 # I should look at completed auctions and shoot at the bottom 1/3 or so of the price distribution as usually works well 14.28.30 # * amiconn never bids until a few seconds before the auction ends 14.28.30 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14.28.39 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF48E6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.28.51 # Bidding earlier just pushes the price unnecessarily 14.29.59 # But at the least I make sure noone gets it too cheap. I've bid the price up on people that seem to follow me around and do that just to make 'em pay up. 14.30.52 Join sando [0] (i=lolsteam@124-254-76-41-static-dsl.ispone.net.au) 14.31.02 # * jhMikeS is evil like that >:] 14.31.35 Join Arathis_ [0] (n=doerk@p5484AFC3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.33.12 Quit Arathis (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.34.20 Nick Arathis_ is now known as Arathis (n=doerk@p5484AFC3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.37.24 Join bawb2 [0] (n=bawb2@ip50210.estcmp.ku.edu) 14.37.24 Join bawb2_ [0] (n=bawb2@ip50210.estcmp.ku.edu) 14.37.30 Quit bawb2_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.42.28 Join crop [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-72a132551d753f38) 14.43.42 # Is the check for "wps_bufptr" (wps_parser.c:774) needed? 14.43.54 Quit petur ("worrrrk") 14.44.08 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 14.44.18 # IIUC, wps_bufptr can never be null 14.44.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.45.52 # Shouldn't it rather be *wps_bufptr? I.e. testing for end of string? 14.53.31 Quit gromit` ("Coyote finally caught me") 14.57.16 Join gromit` [0] (n=gromit@ras75-5-82-234-244-69.fbx.proxad.net) 15.01.54 Join GodEater [0] (n=bryan@host-83-146-15-51.bulldogdsl.com) 15.17.50 # Hm... the wps_parser code is even dangerous since a buffer overrun is possible: wps_bufptr will scan beyond the trailing '\0' 15.24.24 # hehe.. so someone can use it to load their own firmware.. big deal :p 15.24.39 # Call Zune Linux! 15.24.44 # Yes, a backdoor 15.25.06 # those guys are really doing a great job 15.25.15 # I'm so glad they are in the pre-alpha phase now 15.25.22 # "We're working hard to recruit talented programmers to fulfill our mission" 15.25.35 # ;) 15.26.38 # Can anybody try to load a WPS that ends with a string constant and has no EOL at the end? I can't atm 15.26.40 # he has a degree in management and probably though that would be enough to take on such a project 15.27.30 # "I can manage people fine, I should be able to manage people into making zune linux in no time" 15.27.39 # *g* 15.28.09 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54b15de7.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.29.59 Quit Entasis ("Leaving") 15.33.33 # B4gder: as long as you have a good project plan, everything will turn out just fine - and on schedule 15.33.37 Quit RaRe ("Quit msgs should be longer.") 15.34.19 # and a good site of course 15.34.25 # oh of course 15.34.26 # and donations! 15.34.28 # forgot that 15.34.28 # with a fine logo 15.34.34 # unless you have more than 2 people in the orgnaisation.. then (according to my lecture notes) the project will fail 90% of the time 15.35.00 # like rockbox 15.35.07 # a huge failure 15.35.12 # a bag of shit 15.35.20 # darn, you beat me to it ,-) 15.35.37 # oh, more fun from zune linux? 15.35.58 # nah 15.36.05 Join RaRe [0] (n=Laffin_B@202-89-187-101.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) 15.36.07 # just repeating old stuff 15.36.11 # * JdGordon loves how the channel was dead.. untill someone mentinos Zune linux :D 15.36.15 # * pondlife must refrain from mentioning it again 15.36.25 # Now fix some bugs 15.36.39 # what, zune linux bugs? ;-] 15.36.48 # They probably don't have any yet. 15.36.50 # * B4gder ducks 15.36.55 # *grrr* svn can be tricky sometimes ... 15.37.11 # If only Rockbox was as bug-free as ZL... :p 15.37.41 Quit Ave (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 15.37.52 # jhMikeS: hmm... i tihnk your patch stuffs up the sim.. 15.38.06 # JdGordon: It does, he knows... 15.38.10 # ok 15.39.08 # JdGordon: Wasn't too concerned about that in the pre alpha stage 15.39.17 # * pondlife would like the sim to use the standard thread handling with one SDL thread per processor... rather than doing it's own thing. 15.39.45 # jhMikeS: of course... but some of us do our own things with the local patched source :p 15.40.05 # Erm, is "pre-alpha" catching? 15.40.58 # what's the letter before alpha? *g* 15.42.00 # JdGordon: and btw, I've no real idea how to sneak a quick thing in to talk decimal numbers 15.42.09 # No letter... but perhaps a tonos? ;) 15.42.25 # jhMikeS: dont worry about it... 15.42.26 # are those tasty? 15.42.43 Join pharuils [0] (n=chris@cpc1-cove3-0-0-cust214.sol2.cable.ntl.com) 15.42.50 # amiconn: if you are talking unicode there are many letter before alpha of course 15.43.02 # toneladas 15.43.46 # JdGordon: if all this stuff got passed a pointer to the settings structure entry, it'd be tons easier 15.44.23 # * JdGordon agress 15.44.42 Part pharuils ("Leaving") 15.46.26 # * crop tries to materialise Nico_P in this channel 15.46.45 # * B4gder offers crop some extra clay to work with 15.47.10 # * pondlife tries to prevent crop succeeding for no good reason 15.47.42 # * JdGordon makes more blue text 15.47.58 # * bluebrother wonders why the text ought to be blue 15.48.08 # * JdGordon because 15.48.24 # * JdGordon unless your irc client has different colours... 15.48.27 # * pondlife adds another line of purple text 15.48.29 # * JdGordon then it doesnt have to be 15.48.40 # * bluebrother looks at grey text with white nicks 15.48.47 # JdGordon: You're cheating... those aren't sentences. 15.49.13 # * JdGordon fail english? thats unpossible 15.49.18 # * B4gder puts the "cheater" sticker on JdGordon's back 15.49.38 # ha! I knew it! We have a cheater in here. 15.50.31 # * pondlife points at JDGordon as Nico_P appears 15.51.06 # Nico_P appears? 15.51.17 # * JdGordon dont see him 15.51.21 # No, I lied a bit to confuse crop. 15.51.28 # * JdGordon thinks pondlife has finally lost "it" 15.51.36 # Ne'er had "it". 15.51.48 # He-he 15.52.03 # back to work ... booored. 15.53.29 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@p549AD074.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.57.34 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.57.54 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF6176.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.59.30 Part LinusN 16.14.46 # Anyone with access to the latest sim? I'll forget it, that's for sure! 16.14.50 Join Ave [0] (n=ave@dsl-tkubras1-ff50c000-183.dhcp.inet.fi) 16.19.32 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 16.23.26 Join ctaf [0] (n=ctaf@ram94-6-82-242-23-70.fbx.proxad.net) 16.23.38 Part ctaf 16.30.57 Quit B4gder ("It is time to say MOOO") 16.34.50 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m180.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 16.38.30 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.44.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.45.06 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 16.55.24 # What?! Still no Nico_P??? =:-O 16.56.59 Nick JdGordon is now known as Nico_P (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 16.57.17 Nick Nico_P is now known as JdGordon (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 16.57.21 # fooled ya :D 17.04.11 # JdGordon: he-he. But since you are Nico_P, could you test a WPS consisting of just one line of text, e.g. "Hey" -- but without a EOL at the end. I.e. the file should be 3 bytes long. 17.05.16 # This should let the pointer go beyound the real data if I'm reading the WPS code right 17.05.38 # with --debugwps? 17.05.54 # loaded correctly 17.07.02 # crop: ... works fine 17.07.15 # hrm... then I don't understand something. I mean the code in wps_parser.c:774 17.07.53 Join mbr [0] (n=mbr@p3EE050CD.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.07.59 # JdGordon: it reads "while (wps_bufptr..." but it should be "while (*wps_bufptr" IMO 17.08.23 # ... if you say so :p 17.08.39 # It would be interesting to know the value of len when that loop is left 17.08.58 # pass me a patch and ill check... 17.09.12 # isn't there a datasheet somewhere for the WM8975? I can't find one. I have the WM8751 which seems the same sans ADC. 17.09.31 # What did dump_wps (or what's the name?) show? Did you use --debugwps? 17.10.16 # I assume that the value will be greater than 3. But it should be 3. 17.10.54 # String buffer used: 11 out of 1024 bytes + 17.10.56 # ? 17.11.31 # de 17.11.37 # oops 17.11.43 # JdGordon: that's wrong IMO. You only have 3 letters! 17.12.10 # i did 2 lines, coz i stuffed the echo 17.12.22 # the 2nd doesnt have \n 17.12.33 # And if you'd change the line to be *wps_bufptr, I bet it will be 3 17.12.42 # ah, found the forum post about this 17.13.06 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-075-177-158-190.nc.res.rr.com) 17.13.36 # crop: um.. ok... im going to bed... better wait around for nico 17.13.40 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 17.14.12 Join webguest65 [0] (i=d8a3f701@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b3b6b19e2456e440) 17.16.57 Quit jhulst_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.18.39 Join iwantanimac [0] (n=iwantani@203-217-3-18.dyn.iinet.net.au) 17.21.59 Quit iwantanimac (Client Quit) 17.22.15 Join iwantanimac [0] (n=iwantani@203-217-3-18.dyn.iinet.net.au) 17.27.30 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54967f22.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.28.23 Quit gromit` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.28.36 Nick masked is now known as melatonin (i=masked@shell.iinet.net.au) 17.28.53 Nick melatonin is now known as masked (i=masked@shell.iinet.net.au) 17.29.07 Quit hannesd_ (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.29.07 NSplit pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 17.29.07 Quit Hadaka (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.30.04 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 17.30.16 Join bluebrother [0] (i=mO3aPkSR@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 17.30.18 NHeal pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 17.30.18 NJoin hannesd_ [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 17.35.01 Part crop ("@Nico_P: please read the IRC log beginning with 14:43") 17.37.13 Quit iwantanimac ("iMac, out.") 17.42.19 Join webguest15 [0] (i=4ada5802@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-61976705716f3750) 17.43.33 Quit webguest15 (Client Quit) 17.49.19 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 17.52.57 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.56.37 Join Siltaar [0] (n=Siltaar@193.52.208.229) 17.59.21 Join gromit` [0] (n=gromit@ras75-5-82-234-244-69.fbx.proxad.net) 18.01.06 # hello everyone, 18.01.31 # do someone know why the .voice files have to be smaller than 1,4MO ? 18.01.47 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m180.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 18.02.49 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 18.03.36 # Siltaar: That's how much free space there is in the Archos devices 18.05.00 # ok, thanks 18.05.35 # (go home) 18.05.42 Quit Siltaar (Remote closed the connection) 18.07.52 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.07.52 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 18.11.24 Join hostf4cekilla [0] (n=chatzill@pool-70-22-207-151.bos.east.verizon.net) 18.15.45 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 18.20.19 Join ctaf [0] (n=ctaf@ram94-6-82-242-23-70.fbx.proxad.net) 18.20.31 Part ctaf 18.22.11 # roolku ? 18.24.39 # Nico_P: crop was looking for you all day 18.24.52 # markun: I'll read the logs then :) 18.27.56 # Nico_P: 11 hours and still running 18.28.17 # toffe82: nice :) 18.28.38 # are you using the battery benc plugin or just timing yourself ? 18.28.38 # Nico_P: I will post the result on the wiki 18.29.21 # the battery bench and also I started yesterday night at 10pm (more or less) 18.29.46 # I hope I didn't make a mistake on to start the battery bench :) 18.29.50 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp37-143.adsl.forthnet.gr) 18.30.47 # toffe82: which player? 18.32.15 Quit obo ("KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/") 18.33.33 # Lear ? 18.33.38 # F20 18.33.40 # Yep. 18.34.14 # markun: playing a full album mp3 at 320kbps to be sure there are acces to the disk 18.34.26 # just saw your commit... I was about to make a similar one :) 18.35.13 # Nico_P: yes 18.35.45 # roolku: I was going to ask you to test a patch, but now you can just test the latest SVN :) 18.36.03 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 18.36.16 # (concerning your forum posts about blank tags) 18.36.18 # Nico_P: :) stil at work, but will do when i get home 18.36.28 # still 18.36.42 # ok 18.36.50 # it should work fine anyway 18.37.37 # Lear: I would've tested (value && *value) instead of (value && strlen(value)) FWIW 18.37.56 # Nico_P: just thought the same thing 18.38.24 # Maybe, yes, but the old code used strlen... :) 18.39.44 # Lear: have you read crop's concerns in today's log ? 18.40.03 # No... 18.40.39 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54967f22.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.41.58 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 18.42.00 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp223-78.adsl.forthnet.gr) 18.42.25 Join GodEater__ [0] (n=bryan@host-83-146-15-162.bulldogdsl.com) 18.42.26 # You mean the bufptr stuff? 18.42.52 # I seem to recall making similar comments myself, pre-commit... :) 18.43.40 Quit GodEater_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.43.47 # after installing rockbox i can't seem to get my sansa mplayer detected as a mass storage thingy when connected through usb 18.43.55 # it just starts up the original sansa os when connected 18.44.00 # and starts charging 18.44.33 Quit GodEater (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.44.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.45.17 # the sansa needs the OF for usb mode 18.45.23 # OF? 18.45.29 # original firmware 18.45.42 # so.. how am i supposed to be able to uninstall rockbox? 18.45.43 # so it's intended to reboot once you connect usb 18.46.05 # the same way you installed it? Using it as UMS device? 18.46.26 # but i can't get it o act like a ums device 18.46.29 # I don't have a sansa, but I'm pretty sure it's described in the manual 18.46.33 Quit webguest65 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 18.46.40 # i find no settings in rockbox, and it's set to MSC in sansa os 18.46.47 # mass storage controller is the same as ums i guess 18.46.56 # cause thats the mode i had it when i installed 18.47.01 # Lear: yes, that. what might not be evident is that the WPS file loading ensures every line ends with '\n' 18.47.07 # you need to change its usb mode to install Rockbox, so it's that mode 18.47.15 # yes, I think the sansa calls it MSC 18.47.18 # bluebrother, yeah. 18.47.25 # but it doesnt work as a UMS/MSC anymore after installing rockbox 18.47.49 # if it's running the OF it should. Maybe that setting got reset? 18.49.09 # bluebrother, i've checked the setting and it's set to MSC 18.49.26 # I have no idea about the sandisk firmware. 18.49.36 # Rockbox shouldn't affect it in any way ... 18.49.44 # Nico_p: but he's right about that while (line 774), imo. 18.49.44 # :( 18.50.05 # sigh 18.50.18 # rockbox won't play music correctly, and i can't add new music 18.50.21 # and i can't uninstall it 18.50.49 Part kaaloo 18.53.10 # hmm, my bad i guess, i tried hooking it up to my laptop instead and that worked 18.53.15 # what the.. 18.56.59 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.57.19 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF6176.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.57.55 # I have a problem with my H300: the sound started to only come out only one of the earbuds in both rockbox and the OF, so its not a setting problem 18.58.40 # Nico_P: you tested with other earbuds ? 18.59.03 # yes, it's been tested on several different pairs of earbuds 18.59.18 # bad, so its the device.. 18.59.35 # if you are lucky its only the headphone socket.. 18.59.40 # strange, uninstalled rockbox from the other comp and now it works as a MSC/UMS again on both comps.. 19.01.06 # Domonoky: doesn't look like it's the headphone socket... both the line out and the heaphone plug are affected and behave the same (i.e. weird noises when the plug is moved) 19.01.47 Quit n17ikh|Lappy ("arcade fire concert woo") 19.02.24 # Build server acting up again? 19.03.01 Join Siltaar [0] (n=Siltaar@reverse-52.fdn.fr) 19.03.28 # Nico_P: weird noise while moving the plug sounds like a bad connection, but on both sockets ? 19.03.48 # yes 19.05.51 # Nico_P: it doesnt sound like it would be easy to repair, but perhaps someone with more knowlege about the hardware could help, maybe LinusN.. 19.06.10 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 19.06.12 Join XavierGr_ [0] (n=xavier@ppp177-99.adsl.forthnet.gr) 19.07.55 # Domonoky: that's what I'm afraid of.... I'm filing an RMA request but my warranty is over since the 17th of april :( 19.08.12 # maybe it's a bad soldering at the output pins of the TLV 19.09.28 # Nico_P: just use a nokia charger, then the sound isnt a problem anymore *hehe* 19.09.44 # :) 19.09.49 # I'll pass on that 19.10.08 # :-) 19.15.48 # Lear: yeps, me poked on it 19.16.33 Join Rincewind [0] (n=xchatter@i3ED6FFBE.versanet.de) 19.16.38 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 19.23.43 Quit asos (Remote closed the connection) 19.25.41 # Build server poker ;) 19.26.17 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host14-222-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 19.26.18 # Lear: yeah, about line 774 I think it should be *wps_bufptr instead of wps_bufptr. it prevents infinite looping when the string doesn't end with '\n' (which actually should never be the case) 19.26.22 # Bagder: Maybe it'd be a good idea to disable obo's sserver for sim builds temporarily? 19.26.56 # Lear: what about using *value instead of the strlen(value) you added ? 19.27.09 # yeah, I'll do that 19.27.18 # amiconn: Something for the devcon perhaps? 19.27.24 # My server is fixed, as (I think) is storebror 19.27.33 # Nico_p: Feel free. 19.27.40 # no, storebror is still bad 19.27.46 # I just disabled sdl builds from it 19.27.52 # Lear: I don't know, does it sound better ? 19.27.58 # Hmm, why don't you just downgrade binutils? 19.28.02 # Lear ? 19.28.16 # because disabling the builds were faster and easier 19.28.27 # amiconn: Poker, as in the card game. 19.28.30 # Ah, that laziness thing ;) 19.28.39 # Lear: oh ;) 19.28.42 # yeah, scary thing that 19.29.03 # Well, downgrading binutils isn't that time-consuming... 19.29.13 # * amiconn will check for further updates 19.30.02 # 2.17cvs-20070426-x (x = 2 or 3) are the broken ones 19.30.37 # Hmm, maybe -3 is okay... /me should test 19.30.49 Join ze [0] (i=ze@cpe-76-175-22-254.socal.res.rr.com) 19.33.36 # No, -3 is still broken 19.33.41 Quit bawb2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.37.11 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 19.41.13 Quit pondlife ("Gone to look for "it"") 19.51.15 # * Nico_P got the CONTRIBUTING doc thrown at by petur... 19.51.21 # I hope he's happy now :) 20.08.48 Join Rincewind_ [0] (n=xchatter@i3ED6FAFA.versanet.de) 20.09.03 Join fm2 [0] (i=95e13c3f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6ce2d481e9145dad) 20.09.34 # Nico_P: hello 20.09.41 # hi 20.11.30 # Nico_P: I've just submitted a patch for the problem spotted by crop. I understand why it still works. But you already committed a patch for this! :-) My patch also improves (IMHO) code readability at once place. Care to have a look? 20.11.51 # fm2: sure. it's on the tracker ? 20.12.12 # Nico_P: yes, since ~5 min 20.12.33 # Nico_P: the change is really a very small one 20.12.39 Join GodEater_ [0] (n=bryan@host-83-146-13-12.bulldogdsl.com) 20.13.24 # fm2: as you said, the first hunk is already in SVN 20.13.47 # about the second, I'm not sure it's much more readable 20.14.14 # and it seems a bit less clean :) 20.14.17 # Nico_P: that was my taste. Too much magic in the loop 'header' 20.14.21 # My sent PMs on the forum aren't showing up in the 'Outbox' folder; is this OK? 20.14.59 # Nico_P: but the main thing was that bufptr 20.15.06 # fm2: the loop header is a compact and correct way of doing the job. and the comment states the essential facts 20.15.12 # yes 20.15.30 Quit GodEater__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.15.54 # Nico_P: still running 13h 20.15.59 # Nico_P: you can close the patch. This will be the shortest living patch ever! :-) 20.16.09 # fm2: ok :) 20.16.32 Part fm2 ("Have to do some more work") 20.17.11 # Nico_p: Though the "found" variable doesn't seem to add much... :) 20.17.56 # (Unless it is used further down, of course...) 20.18.06 # Lear: actually it's used later on and I can't rely on the value of i to know if a match was found 20.22.27 Join gursikh [0] (n=khalsa@unaffiliated/gursikh) 20.27.55 Quit mbr (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.27.59 # looks like we have another stallen build 20.32.56 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul) 20.34.44 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54965ED3.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.36.45 Quit Rincewind (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.37.13 Join bawb2 [0] (n=bawb2@ip50210.estcmp.ku.edu) 20.42.11 Join H10_007quick [0] (n=chatzill@mnet-ki-244-78-181.monarch.net) 20.42.33 # Hey anyone notice that the H10 5gb is gone from the current build page? 20.43.16 # it's not gone 20.43.39 # we have a hanging build and that one hasn't been updated by the build ... 20.43.43 # the 20gb is there but the 5gb is not 20.43.49 # ah 20.43.49 # at least it looks like it stalled right there. 20.43.50 # i see 20.44.02 # just look at the timestamps of the commit messages 20.44.19 # ok 20.44.21 # sorry 20.44.26 Quit H10_007quick (Client Quit) 20.44.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.45.10 # np 20.45.23 # hmm, too late. Oh my. 20.50.45 Join olle46536 [0] (i=olle@h129n1fls34o836.telia.com) 20.51.33 Quit lids (Remote closed the connection) 20.52.09 Join lids [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-66698971515f6a8e) 20.54.12 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 20.54.42 # Bagder: Your poker abilities are needed... ;) 20.56.41 Part olle46536 20.58.22 # I hope someones around that can confirm: The MCLK source on a Gigabeat is 16.9344Mhz? 21.00.36 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp9-212.adsl.forthnet.gr) 21.01.26 # jhMikeS: there is a crystal of this value on the gigabeat : FCX-03-16.9344-10.5/50-LF 21.01.49 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 21.02.04 # jhMikeS: I don't have one open here and cannot say if it is the one of the cpu, after there is a 24mhz 21.02.44 # and a 32.768 also 21.03.02 # toffe82: The latter is most likely kHz, not MHz 21.03.09 # (rtc xtal) 21.03.24 # amiconn: you win on this one :) 21.03.32 # MC-146 32.768K 7/10 21.04.15 # I think that the 24mhz is for the usb chip 21.04.17 # that's probably the RTC xtal 21.04.50 # yes, USB is 12/24Mhz. No way it supports all those samplerates then. 21.04.54 # because it is the same on the dock 21.05.18 # btw, there is also an unsused space for an extra xtal on both the F and X mobo 21.05.25 # 16.9344MHz is listed in the WM8751 datasheet and supports 5 sample rates 21.05.48 # jhMikeS: but we can also use the 24MHz clock (which we do) 21.05.57 # 32.768kHz is very common for RTCs (and is aslo one option for the TEA5767 FM radio chip) 21.06.17 # markun: you can switch the clock source for the DAC? 21.06.25 # yes 21.06.35 # at least that was what I tried to do 21.07.32 # but where is it actually switched to a different clock source? 21.07.33 # jhMikeS: did you run into problems while changing the frequency or something? 21.08.04 # hm, I I though both clocks were supplied, maybe a stupid assumption :) 21.08.08 # not exactly, I'm putting in a separate driver since the WM8751 isn't really entirely compatible with these other chips 21.08.56 # there's some register bit collisions on them and such 21.09.14 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 21.10.44 # there's only one MCLK line and setting the USB mode just sets a codec mode 21.10.54 # yes, I see it now 21.10.57 # hmm.. 21.11.35 Join Onur_ [0] (n=chatzill@85.108.40.73) 21.12.29 Join Rincewind^moep [0] (n=xchatter@i3ED6E396.versanet.de) 21.13.27 Nick Onur_ is now known as compaddict (n=chatzill@85.108.40.73) 21.14.21 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.15.57 # jhMikeS: do you see the empty x3 http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/GigabeatInfo?rev=1.1;filename=3.jpg 21.16.20 # x1, x2 and x4 are all ocillators 21.16.31 # I wonder what it's connected to 21.18.38 # markun: as I see the photo, look top right (over L1 B) there is 2 empty spot of 6 contact each, any idea ? :) 21.19.30 Quit XavierGr_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.19.38 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 21.19.41 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp138-210.adsl.forthnet.gr) 21.20.08 # the audio codec is covered up though 21.20.09 Join Mmmm [0] (n=martin@cpc2-hem13-0-0-cust689.lutn.cable.ntl.com) 21.21.00 Join chrisjs169|afk [0] (n=opera@pool-71-114-113-186.hrbgpa.dsl-w.verizon.net) 21.21.06 # the 24Mhz is by the USB chip I think, what's closest the WM8751? The 16.9344 Mhz? 21.22.28 # the 16 is closet to the wm 21.22.43 # that's makes much sense indeed 21.23.06 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@83.233.231.172) 21.23.16 # the 24 is on the right side of the usb and the wm is near the flat cable of the lcd and so the 16 21.25.54 # what's up with the latest build? 21.27.32 # it's hanging 21.27.50 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.250.4) 21.27.52 # any idea what's causing it to hang? 21.27.59 # jhMikeS: hm, sorry I added all those unsopported frequencies then.. 21.28.51 # hehe...one thing too is that pcm_set_frequency isn't suppost to just hit the hardware right off, you have to call pcm_apply_settings or stop and restart 21.29.16 Join jimbobuk [0] (n=jimbobuk@host-84-9-73-18.bulldogdsl.com) 21.30.08 # I want to get a newer build of rockbox that may fix a problem i'm having... where are the binaries for the builds shown here http://build.rockbox.org/ ??? 21.30.12 # a good think more rockbox devs have a Gigabeat these days to check the things we did 21.32.03 # for gigabeat, after version r13296 21.34.46 # jimbobuk: what problem do you have ? 21.35.06 # i can see all the source revisions etc (nice system there too seeing compile errors etc) 21.35.19 # the link to the gigabeat, via its image http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-gigabeatf/rockbox.zip what version is this? 21.35.23 # the last build made? 21.35.26 # yes 21.35.42 # jimbobuk: which problem are you having with your Gigabeat right now? 21.36.01 Quit lids (Remote closed the connection) 21.36.19 # and can make a current build for you if you want 21.36.25 # i can't see how to pick a particular build out of the history, happy to go with newest for now, but would like to know how to pick a particular build 21.36.34 # ahh there are no builds available just source/diffs 21.36.45 # i'd like to be setup to make the source myself sometime, not today tho.. :) 21.36.50 # the problem is corrupt playlists 21.36.56 # i installed gigabeat for 1st time a few days ago 21.37.10 # inserting, queing albums causes playlist corruptions 21.37.26 # i ranted a bit too long about it here... http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10225.new;topicseen#new 21.38.08 Join Rincewind [0] (i=T9uVubBa@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 21.38.58 Quit Rincewind_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.39.11 # jimbobuk: ok, latest build is on the site again 21.40.11 # have you changed anything, or has it just updated? 21.40.38 # so 2007-05-02 17:14 version is at that rockbox.zip link i posted above? 21.40.42 Join Rincewind_ [0] (n=xchatter@i3ED6E396.versanet.de) 21.41.56 # yes, that link always points to the latest build 21.42.59 # great 21.43.39 # what dev environment is needed to compile rockbox? is there a guide on the wiki somewhere? 21.44.19 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.44.47 # jimbobuk: you don't really need much of a dev environment, either a Linux computer or cygwin 21.45.31 # * jhMikeS rather enjoys not having recording to deal with here...it makes the pcm driver rather complex 21.45.45 # and the cross-compiler 21.47.07 # ok cool, i'll give it a whirl sometime... anyone know whats behind the build monitoring pages, its pretty neat stuff... we've got something similar setup at work but its not as powerful 21.47.27 Part chrisjs169|afk 21.47.57 # jimbobuk: a set of scripts we wrote 21.48.23 # and of course a set of servers to do the builds 21.48.43 Quit Rincewind (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 21.49.15 # ahh not based on some freely available system... congrats, really nice to see the break down of warnings, errors etc... what are the scores on the right of the table 21.49.42 # jimbobuk: the scores is just the errors * N + warnings, mostly just for fun really 21.50.23 # with N being? 21.50.27 # its cool 21.51.03 # we've got ours to try and spot who broke the build ;) different targets the same.. not as many targets but bigger (read slower) code to make 21.51.04 # N being 10 21.51.38 # our code is almost 400,000 lines 21.51.48 # last time I counted 21.52.08 # its cool, do most web based svn open source systems have something similar... makes a lot of sense.. 21.52.29 # i've not counted our lines in a while... its pretty big.. too big :) 21.52.35 # this isn't really dependent on svn, we had the same concept with cvs previously 21.52.50 # it depends on the project I guess 21.52.52 # svn is better designed for it though so it is easier 21.53.06 # oh sure, i just meant any online dev setup really where u can't face to face as easily and its nice to be able to get an overview 21.53.23 # to be honest we switched to svn from cvs and have had some problems with the server being pwned 21.53.32 # I was inspired by tinderbox when I first wrote this script 21.53.44 # jimbobuk: the problem with rockbox is that you might break an ipod build while you only wanted to change something for an iriver 21.53.50 # but they say buildbot is nice too 21.54.23 # svn can be a bit too unresponsive at times for us, we dont update the server/client enough so maybe we've got a poor version of it.. i think one of our coders found it taking a lot of time in the authentication 21.54.53 # Bagder: did you implement the ideas you had for speeding up the building? 21.54.59 # downloading while building 21.55.02 # not yet 21.55.09 # speculative assignment 21.55.28 # markun: sure.. we've got the same problem.. annoyingly windows and linux compilers are hard to get to warn, or error the same.. very frustrting 21.55.48 # but I have a version with at least parallell downloading implemented 21.55.55 # I'll do a test run one of these days 21.56.01 # jimbobuk: which project are you part of? 21.56.17 # hey, I do the "show warnings and errors" for curl as well 21.56.24 # and _there_ we have a variety of compilers 21.56.34 # i'm a games programmer on a next gen console/pc game 21.56.41 # every unix and windows one you can name ;-) 21.57.18 Quit Mmmm (Remote closed the connection) 21.57.53 Join lids [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-c0183f63cebf49dd) 21.58.46 # GodEater_: your build server seemss to be in a strange state 22.00.02 # ... and is currently disabled 22.00.07 # Bagder: you manage to get no issues purely from a compiler reporting differnet classes of errors? can't remember right now what kind of ones we get... its annoying as we have folks who are just on windows, you code and compile... if the compiler can't tell you its borked and then u commit and break linux folks or PS3 its a bit of a pain 22.01.41 # curl runs on POSIX, old unix, vms, amiga, netware, windows, qnx and more. we do autobuilds and automated tests on numerous platforms non-stop to make sure it remains functional all over 22.02.16 # but that's pretty OT for this channel now ;-) 22.02.17 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 22.02.19 Join moos [0] (i=moos@m135.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 22.02.30 # yeah true :) 22.03.00 # interesting stuff.. I'll give this build a go in a bit.. if it works i can get on and use the rockbox gigabeat with more confidence 22.03.30 # jimbobuk: and if it doesn't work maybe you can try to find out what's wrong 22.03.53 # i'd like to find out how much battery life i get with all flac files, if its not terrible i may go down that route for it.. if not back to mp3 or mpc... i noticed my battery was a bit low, but skipping tracks and filling buffers can't help.. nor haivng a look at doom :) 22.04.14 # markun: definitely will do when i can... its definitely down to inserting, or queuing an album in the database view 22.04.17 # maybe file view too 22.06.05 # jimbobuk: I think it is fixed - about 20h ago someone reprted the same issue first, right after he updated his build and said it works alright again 22.06.50 # jimbobuk: turning on dircache can help if you browse alot 22.07.19 Quit Rincewind^moep (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.07.35 # great, jdgordon seemed to think it was his fault, and his fix.. so i'm hopeful.. as i followed the guide i wasn't really clear that i was getting the latest cutting edge build, i assumed it was some last stable version.. 22.08.14 # no, there is no stable version for the Gigabeat 22.08.30 # at least nothing with that label 22.08.56 # markun: yeah.. i turned on the runtime stats option the other night as well and wasn't sure if turning that on had caused the problem, think its fine... be intereted to see how that option works, i went into some view of it and all it had was something labeled 0 which had tracks inside 22.09.30 # markun: ahh ok, some other versions reached a milestone point though and had a build saved for people to try if they wanted a more guaranteed version. 22.10.15 # * ender` yawns 22.11.16 # jimbobuk: I personally wouldn't mind if there never was a rockbox release again 22.11.47 # * Bagder agrees 22.11.49 # markun: sure, when i get one i'm happy with i'm sure i'll think the same... take a backup as well whenever you update and u can rollback fairly easily if something dont work so well 22.12.00 # I use debian unstable release-less just fine 22.12.12 # same with FreeBSD here 22.12.15 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 22.12.30 # somehow I always update at the worst times :) 22.12.34 # i've not even started looking into the non-official ports to get things like cover art working, be happy to just start it playing and working first 22.12.40 # :) i guess i did just that 22.15.12 # The gigabeat is little endian right? 22.15.18 # yes 22.15.37 # but we could switch if we wanted 22.16.05 # usually sub systems are fixed-endian so switching is painful 22.16.55 # ummm...I think it's ok if it stays constant :) 22.17.11 # yes, it would probably become a mess otherwise 22.19.29 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 22.19.32 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp37-180.adsl.forthnet.gr) 22.19.37 Quit jimbobuk () 22.20.18 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d20f81b153fe10f7) 22.22.02 # Bagder: Re the debian unstable and just fine - what about those nasty binutils? 22.22.43 # That said, I'm using debian unstable myself... 22.22.50 # they're still nasty 22.23.01 Join Rincewind^moep [0] (n=xchatter@i3ED6F895.versanet.de) 22.23.40 # LinusN: earlier Nico_P described problems with his H3x0 (I also read it only in the logs) - it reminded me of the issue pondlife had 22.24.15 # oh? 22.24.45 # LinusN: yes, I've lost a sound channel 22.25.06 # could be the 1380 22.25.08 # the right one is mute on both the headphone socket and the line out 22.25.56 # LinusN: is there something to be done about it ? 22.26.25 # well, i replaced pondlife's UDA1380 22.26.32 # * amiconn wonders what's up with the 1380, and hopes he won't be hit by that problem :/ 22.28.40 # LinusN: what issues did pondlife have ? the same ? 22.29.03 # both channels lost iirc 22.30.37 # how much work does a replacement involve ? 22.30.48 # Nico_P: i can do that, if you find a spare UDA1380 22.30.59 # it is fairly complicated 22.31.35 # are these expensive ? where can they be found ? 22.32.27 Join Rincewind [0] (n=xchatter@i3ED6F068.versanet.de) 22.32.52 # if you are lucky, you can get a sample from philips, else you have to rip one from another player 22.33.33 # LinusN: hmm ok. Is it possible that it could have been damaged by misuse of one of the line in/out jacks ? 22.33.46 # ESD perhaps 22.34.05 # ESD ? 22.34.13 # electrostatic discharge 22.34.37 # ah yes maybe 22.35.04 Join GodEater__ [0] (n=bryan@host-84-9-130-156.bulldogdsl.com) 22.35.29 Quit compaddict ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 22.35.30 # my brother wanted to try recording his guitar. He doesn't remember whether he plugged the jack in the line in or the line out and says the reocrding source was set on the internal mic 22.35.51 # he thinks he caused it 22.37.04 Quit GodEater_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.39.44 Quit Rincewind_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.42.01 # possibly 22.42.25 # Nico_P: see if you can find a broken H-series player you can rip the UDA1380 from 22.42.43 # then i can help you with the transplant 22.43.04 # gtg 22.43.08 Part LinusN 22.44.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.45.31 Join Naked [0] (i=naked@naked.iki.fi) 22.45.41 Nick Naked is now known as Hadaka (i=naked@naked.iki.fi) 22.47.58 Quit Rincewind^moep (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.49.21 Join z35 [0] (n=z@adsl-35-181-4.dab.bellsouth.net) 22.49.46 Join Slowking_Man [0] (n=slow@wikipedia/Slowking-Man) 22.52.18 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.52.38 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF6176.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.54.48 Join johny [0] (n=chatzill@p5B1557D7.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.54.52 # hallo 22.55.16 Join sysdef [0] (i=sysdef@debiancenter/staff/cacert.assurer.sysdef) 22.55.34 Join webguest92 [0] (i=cf3fdb02@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e7a5195975ea0938) 22.55.35 # hey 22.56.01 # hi i got a QUESTION CAN ANYBODY TELL ME WHY THE MPEG PLAYER ON MY IPOD VIDEO DOESNT WORK ANY MORE? 22.56.18 # First, please don't type in all capital letters. 22.56.25 # yeah sorry 22.56.29 # I can't answer screaming questions. 22.56.31 # didnt mean to 22.56.32 # Second, can you be a bit more specific? How is it not working? 22.56.59 # i wasnt trying to scream i pushed the caps lock by accident. soory 22.57.30 # yeah i cant watch movies on rockbox anymore. 22.57.33 # why? 22.57.55 # depends on. 22.57.59 # That's not really more specific 22.58.01 # do you get an error message? 22.58.22 # ok i can;t watch movies anymore it doesnt play them can you help? 22.58.33 # no i just cant play them/ 22.58.35 # not unless you tell me the exact problem 22.58.38 # What happens when you select a movie to play it? 22.58.42 # Does it just do nothing? 22.58.43 # did the videos work before? 22.59.01 # that is the problem. i click on the movie but it doesn't play. 22.59.08 # yeah they worked. 22.59.13 # not anymore. 22.59.22 # and what did you do in between? 22.59.30 # what do you mean? 22.59.47 # it worked, and now it doesn't work anymore. What did you do to your installation? 22.59.58 Quit himitsu ("Leaving") 23.00.06 # before i just copied the movies to its drive. then i played them. i cant do that anymore. 23.00.23 # did you made any changes to your installation? 23.00.31 # nope. 23.00.55 # what build are you using? Tried updating to the most recent current build? 23.01.32 Join Soap2 [0] (n=Soap@host-69-95-63-45.spr.choiceone.net) 23.01.41 Join jimbobuk [0] (n=jimbobuk@host-84-9-73-18.bulldogdsl.com) 23.01.41 # sorry i'm at school and i got to go. thank you for the help!!! : ) 23.02.31 Quit webguest92 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23.02.31 Quit San (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.03.08 Join San [0] (n=undergro@212.2.164.10) 23.03.47 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust578.brig.cable.ntl.com) 23.10.51 # can someone help me? 23.11.11 # just ask 23.11.11 Quit Rincewind (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.11.16 Join amigan [0] (i=dcp1990@unaffiliated/amigan) 23.11.26 # your question 23.12.33 # i have on my ipod video 5g podzilla with the ipodloader 2 installed 23.13.00 # and i have the cracked ipod firmware for the games on my ipod 23.13.24 # that sounds like ipod linux stuff 23.13.28 # this is #rockbox 23.13.35 # an my loader.cfg is like that 23.13.39 # and we don't support IPL's Loader2 23.14.03 # Apple OS@ramimg 23.14.04 # Rockbox@(hd0,1)/.rockbox/rockbox.ipod 23.14.06 # iPodLinux@(hd0,2)/linux.bin 23.14.08 # Disk Mode@diskmode 23.14.09 # Reboot@reboot 23.14.10 # Sleep@standby 23.14.12 # bg_color=(0,255,0) 23.14.13 # hilight_color=(255,180,0) 23.14.18 Mode "#rockbox +o Bagder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 23.14.18 # pastebin ... 23.14.23 # sry 23.14.35 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 23.14.37 # but rockbox dont start 23.14.44 # plus, we don't support Loader2. Ask the guys who wrote it. 23.14.53 # or use the Rockbox bootloader. 23.15.05 # you need some special ninja version of that loader for it to be able to load rockbox 23.15.10 # but then i can only boot apple os und rockbox 23.15.17 # no 23.15.24 Quit merbanan (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 23.15.24 # that is wrong, but undocumented ;) 23.15.35 # * bluebrother boots IPL using the Rockbox bootloader 23.16.15 # how can i xhange betwenn apple os ipl and rockbox? 23.16.32 # put the kernel on the fat partition 23.16.36 # name it "linux.bin" 23.16.46 # then hold Play upon boot. 23.17.24 # and for apple os the hold grope 23.17.45 # * bluebrother thinks we should document that function 23.17.58 # are you a developer 23.18.00 # ? 23.18.16 # not exactly 23.18.28 # what then? 23.18.45 # don't know ... manual developer? 23.19.01 # ho help rockbox 23.19.05 # write etc 23.19.10 # programmer 23.20.09 # what is the special ninja version? 23.20.19 # ask the IPL guys. 23.20.31 # I don't know (and am not interested in it) 23.21.14 # and whrer can i find them 23.21.49 # I don't know (and am not interested in it) 23.22.04 # when comes rockipedia 23.22.22 # when it comes. 23.22.28 # we don't estimate time frames. 23.23.44 # an with the new dict plugin i can watch wikipedi? 23.24.05 # johny: Obvious question, but did you extract the rockbox.zip file to your FAT32 partition, and do you have a rockbox.ipod file in a .rockbox folder? 23.24.50 Join rotator [0] (n=e@rockbox/developer/rotator) 23.25.04 Part TrueJournals 23.25.20 # yes i have 23.25.44 # but when i dont have the cracked apple firmware then it works! 23.25.56 # with it dint work 23.26.11 # what is there to crack about AppleOS? 23.26.19 # Saying "didn't work" doesn't give us anything to go on... 23.26.23 # drm hack 23.26.58 # for the games 23.27.00 # .. 23.27.37 # how can I write plugin for rockbox box? 23.27.54 # read the wiki ... 23.27.56 Quit ompaul ("night all") 23.28.37 # and ask specific questions if there are any 23.28.40 # johny: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex (especially the "For Developers" section, and the guide to writing plugins) 23.30.42 # thanks 23.31.58 Join ctaf [0] (n=ctaf@ram94-6-82-242-23-70.fbx.proxad.net) 23.32.10 Part ctaf 23.32.30 # in which language plugis are written? 23.32.41 # c or c++ 23.32.53 # Rockbox is written in c 23.32.59 # so you need c for plugins 23.33.11 # hmm...dont well 23.33.20 # i cant c but c++ 23.33.37 # If you can program C++, I'm sure you can manage C 23.35.49 Quit jimbobuk () 23.35.57 # why never write a calc plugin with better gui 23.36.31 # No-one has cared enough to do it 23.36.59 # but I11 23.39.08 # with the new dict plugin wikipedia work on rockbox? 23.39.10 Quit daurnimator ("Cyas later...") 23.40.13 # can i ask where you from? 23.40.46 # yes 23.41.07 # where you from? 23.41.43 # The UK 23.41.51 # whats that? 23.42.05 # The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland 23.42.30 # AAAh 23.42.36 # iam from germany 23.42.49 # it's sometimes abbreviated as "GB" here :) 23.42.59 # bluebrother: But incorrectly :) 23.43.23 # yes, but I'm not in the UK ... so most people don't know 23.43.42 # Most people in the UK don't get it right either 23.43.42 # I'm in the same country as johny -- but not using t-offline *g* 23.44.07 # (unless I got the hostname wrong) 23.44.20 # lol 23.44.29 # kannst du deutsch? 23.44.39 # sag mal was 23.44.49 # not in this channel as it is an english spoken one. 23.45.10 # i dont thin you are from germany.. 23.45.20 # doch, bin ich *fg* 23.45.25 # aha^^ 23.45.45 # are you registret at the rockbox lounge? 23.45.56 # yes. 23.46.14 # do you know the rockboxcast? 23.46.24 # im a mod 23.46.25 # has there been one released yet? 23.46.32 # no^^ 23.46.36 # not yet 23.46.41 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 23.47.19 # I'm still waiting for the first ;-) 23.47.21 # we have problems witch the design.. 23.49.28 # I just saw that ... looks awful on XGA resolution 23.49.39 Quit robin0800 (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC has never been so good") 23.50.38 Join Yossarian_ [0] (n=chatzill@c-24-15-77-132.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 23.51.02 Quit Soap2 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 23.51.05 # i go sleep 23.51.07 # bb 23.51.34 # a question @ bluebrother 23.51.41 Join a1titude [0] (n=Compaq_A@206-163-245-140.swcr.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) 23.51.44 # ? 23.51.48 # why you know my isp 23.51.59 # hint: whois. 23.52.07 # aah 23.52.16 # your IP isn't cloaked, and it's easy to guess the ISP from that ;-) 23.52.45 # johny: I saw your hostname when you joined the channel.. 23.53.02 # ...t-dialin.net 23.53.18 # "johny is n=chatzill@p5B1557D7.dip.t-dialin.net (New Now Know How)" 23.53.25 Quit atsea- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.53.31 # why i dont se your 23.53.42 Join jimbobuk [0] (n=jimbobuk@host-84-9-73-18.bulldogdsl.com) 23.53.48 # issue the whois command, and if you don't get one it's cloaked. 23.53.52 # (like mine) 23.54.08 # how can i cloake 23.54.26 # god I would love a /rockbox/user/ cloak 23.54.31 # do folks tend to put their music in folders that is just artist-album, or do you go for a nested artist/album 23.54.40 # i worry i may hit the max num items in a directory 23.54.50 # though with flac on a 40gig drive i guess thats not really an issue 23.54.55 # you either become affiliated with a group or you go ask freenode staff for an unaffiliated one 23.54.57 # jimbobuk: I think most people use artist/album, or even genre/artist/album 23.55.16 # gursikh: we decided not to have one...we like cloaks to be special ;) 23.55.21 Nick Yossarian_ is now known as Yoss (n=chatzill@c-24-15-77-132.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 23.55.23 # I know :-( 23.55.25 # johny, you need to get a cloak ... you can get an unaffiliated cloak by freenode 23.55.34 # are most using the file view or the database view.. i take it the later is perfectly stable and just as quick, if not quicker? 23.55.35 # maybe i'll register rockboxx :-P 23.55.41 # the main use of cloaks is to identify people of a project more easily 23.55.50 Nick Yoss is now known as soccerbap (n=chatzill@c-24-15-77-132.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 23.56.07 # gursikh: but then you would be imposing on freenode namespace 23.56.24 # so I can /who rockbox/developer/* and get a list of all (registered) devs that are online. 23.56.27 # hi 23.56.47 Part sslashes 23.56.54 Join sslashes [0] (i=sslashes@209.67.252.122) 23.57.00 Quit johny ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 23.57.01 # bluebrother: speaking of hostnames... I always wanted to ask you if you've ever met Rincewind in person...? 23.57.06 # scorche, just joking :-P Just love to have one cause I love rockbox 23.57.09 # ok 23.57.17 # so I did a search of old irc logs 23.57.19 # pixelma, not yet -- but I know he's at my city ... 23.57.22 # AND I checked the forums 23.57.26 # so please don't think I'm a n00b 23.57.28 # but 23.57.38 # gursikh: then become a dev and you will get one ;) 23.57.44 # * gursikh runs away 23.57.52 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484AFC3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 23.57.56 # yeah - iirc he sometimes locks in from uni too 23.58.02 # my ihp-140 keeps giving me a "codec not found" error 23.58.14 # s/locks/logs 23.58.27 # and the .rockbox directory is unbrowsable (shows up as corrupt) from explorer when connected 23.58.41 # soccerbap: Do you still have a rockbox.iriver file in the root of your disk and an old bootloader? 23.58.55 # linux - checking