--- Log for 04.05.107 Server: pratchett.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 2 days and 9 hours ago 00.00.32 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 00.04.19 Part TrueJournals 00.04.21 Join Rincewind_ [0] (n=xchatter@i3ED6E8B1.versanet.de) 00.04.28 Join Hilikus [0] (n=rockero@bas4-montreal19-1242419325.dsl.bell.ca) 00.04.38 # hey guys 00.04.59 # how do i know if a patch has been merged with the main trunk? 00.05.40 Quit chrisjs169 (Remote closed the connection) 00.05.51 Join Rincewind [0] (i=iAlQDsPs@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 00.06.00 # it should be closed on the patchtracker with accepted as comment 00.06.12 Quit Rincewind^moep (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.06.48 # oh ok, thank you Domonoky 00.07.26 Join chrisjs169 [0] (n=jack@pool-71-114-131-29.hrbgpa.dsl-w.verizon.net) 00.07.44 Join illriginal [0] (n=illrigin@c-66-229-128-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 00.10.07 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 00.11.23 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 00.11.37 # This isn't real critical, but when charging the Sansa, Rockbox will not shut down when the power button is pressed, and won't display a message. Since I have FS6733 added, I tried from the Power menu, and it said Rockbox: Charging 00.12.06 # To help avoiding others, would it be possible to have a notice like that when pressing the power button? 00.12.33 Quit illriginal (Client Quit) 00.14.01 Join p3tur [0] (n=peter@rockbox/developer/petur) 00.18.01 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@cpe-74-71-205-222.twcny.res.rr.com) 00.18.25 Join Rincewind^moep [0] (n=xchatter@i3ED6E8B1.versanet.de) 00.19.29 Quit ompaul ("night all") 00.20.24 Join pearldiver [0] (n=say@cpe-72-225-231-80.nyc.res.rr.com) 00.20.26 Quit XavierGr () 00.21.32 Quit atsea- (SendQ exceeded) 00.23.43 Quit Guile ("KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'") 00.24.17 Quit obo ("bye") 00.25.08 Join a1titude [0] (n=Compaq_A@206-163-245-140.swcr.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) 00.27.12 Quit spiorf ("Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)") 00.27.24 Quit Rincewind_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.27.45 Join Rincewind_ [0] (n=xchatter@i3ED6E74A.versanet.de) 00.28.55 Quit idnar (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00.29.14 # Does anyone here know if each target had its own sourcecode would it increase effecency of the code and possably improve batterylife 00.29.22 # ? If that makes sence? 00.30.16 # that would cause big problems, for no help 00.30.45 # a1titude: only if everything was hand-optimized in assembly 00.31.02 # and even then, the differences would be very low 00.31.26 Join idnar [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 00.31.45 # nobody's stopping you from trying it of course 00.31.57 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 00.34.12 # ahh, thanks, I'm not a programmer so alot of this is out of my comprehention, and I only have the 80gb ipod that is currently unsuported. I was just reading the 80gb wiki page and it said it would be easyer to program if it was just to support the 1024 clusters, but it got me thinking what the effects are of the battery life of the mp3 players. 00.34.49 # with unoptimised code 00.35.07 # the battery is only a problem on pp players (ie ipods,h10, and sansa) 00.35.26 Quit Rincewind (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.35.27 Join HawkSlayer [0] (n=HawkSlay@pool-71-125-128-203.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) 00.35.33 Quit HawkSlayer (Client Quit) 00.35.48 # pp players? 00.35.59 # portal player 00.36.06 # portal player, the chip inside those players. 00.36.18 # ah thanks 00.36.28 Join bonbonthejon [0] (n=jon@69.61.203.3) 00.39.29 Join charkins [0] (n=casey@pdpc/supporter/active/charkins) 00.41.24 Join alienbiker99 [0] (n=alienbik@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net) 00.45.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.46.40 # I really want to get rockbox on the 80gb, mainly so I can try out making a theme! :p 00.47.33 # somebody is working on it, but it will take time.. 00.49.44 Join Mad-Cow [0] (n=chatzill@bas15-toronto12-1168012430.dsl.bell.ca) 00.50.14 # hi, is anybody online right now? 00.50.44 # yeah, I am happy for that, rockbox does seem to be ideal to what I want as a mp3 player and the ipod has great navagation, don't get me wrong, I'm not asking them to hurry up, I'm happy for them to take there time, I'm just kinda exsited. And The theme thing i'm really looking forward to. But yeah, I'm waffeling now. (sorry) 00.50.44 # just count the people.. hundreds .. :-) 00.51.05 # ok good 00.51.24 # I need some help with some code I modified 00.53.23 # this is something random, but what are the odds of forcing a sansa e200 into an e200r by replacing the i2c rom, bootloader, and firmware? 00.53.51 # you mean the other way round ? 00.54.11 # Yeah, I guess so 00.54.27 # there were some tests.. 00.54.48 # was it any good? 00.54.51 # i think it was possible the wrong way round, but with a near death expirience.. 00.55.01 # of the player of cause .-) 00.55.09 # wrong way round? 00.55.24 # an e200 to e200r.. 00.55.30 # ah, ok 00.55.37 # then you can run rockbox anymore.. bad :-) 00.55.43 # cant 00.56.01 # so it could be done, it would just be REALLY risky? 00.56.31 # no, e200 to e200r doesnt work, because of encyption ? i dont know anymore 00.57.11 # ok, I thought that since e200tool forces the new bootloader to be written it could possibly work 00.57.32 Quit Rincewind^moep (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.58.08 Quit lids (Remote closed the connection) 00.58.17 # i dont think it does, and trying is dangerous.. 00.58.49 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 00.59.25 # so can somebody help me out? 00.59.29 Quit a1titude (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.59.48 # yeah, after remembering that the partitions are different, and e200tool doesn't work on the r series, I closed e200tool :P 00.59.52 # Mad-Cow: only if you ask a question.. 01.00.09 Quit Gursikh ("Leaving") 01.00.30 # I already asked earlier, I just need some help with syntax for some code I modified 01.00.51 # that isnt a question.. 01.01.30 Join lids [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-7e9676ef9886b1de) 01.01.39 # does that really matter? 01.01.44 # it still gets the point across 01.02.22 # but i still dont know whats wrong.. how should i answe such a question ? 01.02.49 # well you never told me you could help 01.03.03 # dont ask to ask, ask :-) 01.03.42 # ok, well my problem is on the last post of this topic http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10122.msg78522#msg78522 01.03.52 # just put your question, if somebody can answer it, they will do.. 01.04.08 # hey, theres a conflict when i tried to update the code, i guess one of the patches changed something, what should i do to merge them? 01.04.35 # its in onplay.c 01.04.40 Join a1titude [0] (n=Compaq_A@206-163-245-140.swcr.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) 01.05.10 Quit ender` (" Trying to establish voice contact ... please yell into keyboard.") 01.06.41 # I'm trying to modify the bootloader to load another rockbox binary at the press of the UP button, and load the default with if it's not pressed. Problem is that it loads the non-default one no matter what. The loading code is in the last post of this thread: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10122.msg78522#msg78522 What's wrong with my if/else syntax? 01.07.33 # MadCow: i am looking at it at the moment.. 01.07.47 # thanks :) 01.07.58 # its very badly formatet in this post, makes it difficult to read 01.08.16 # well then what should I do? 01.08.24 # host the whole gigabeat.c somewhere? 01.08.59 # or are you saying I suck at coding? :P 01.09.29 # because I know that I suck, this is actually the first time I've actually tried editing c 01.09.30 # there are some strange closing brackets.. 01.09.46 # i mean at strange positions. 01.10.10 # well that's understandable, I barely know how to use them. 01.10.13 # but how bad is it? 01.10.32 # messd up :-) 01.10.46 # what would I have to do to fix it? 01.11.16 # remove the } after both load_firmware statements.. 01.11.29 # I'll try that 01.11.39 # thats not all 01.11.49 # and...? 01.12.03 # there should be a } bevor the else { 01.12.12 Quit p3tur ("here today, gone tomorrow") 01.12.32 # and then you need one at the end of the code snipped.. 01.12.33 # thanks 01.12.40 # oh man if you dont know how to code you probably should learn that before playing with a bootloader 01.13.04 # properly intending the content inside { } helps 01.13.21 # don't worry, I already messed it up a few times and all I ahve to do is go into bootloader USB mode and replace it :) 01.13.31 # let him try, perhaps he will learn :-) 01.13.32 # hehe 01.14.24 # that messed it up even more 01.14.37 Join p3tur [0] (n=peter@d51A49B9B.access.telenet.be) 01.14.40 # :-) 01.15.01 # i dont really know the code in question, i just read the snippet you posted.. 01.15.23 # never mind, it compiled 01.15.27 # let me try it out 01.16.14 Part p3tur 01.16.26 # Hilikus: have you resolved you patch issue ? :-) 01.17.00 # the rest of the code is just bootloader/gigabeat.c with "#define BUTTON_UP 0x00000010" added at the top 01.17.08 # and it still doesn't work 01.17.11 # :( 01.17.18 # im working on it, i dont really see the conflict 01.17.54 # but this is the first time i resolve a conflict, at work im the only one using svn so there are no conflicts, hehe 01.17.59 # Hilikus: you should have .rej files with the problematic code in it.. 01.18.12 # no, it wasnt patchig, it was updating 01.18.22 # or syncing i think you call it 01.18.39 # rockbox also uses svn 01.18.43 # i know 01.19.05 # Hilikus: search the file that conflicts for "<<<" 01.19.07 # so you have a patched build dir ? 01.19.16 # this is where the conflict is located 01.19.18 Join p3tur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 01.19.22 # yes, i found that, but i dont know why there was a conflict 01.20.30 # could you paste it in a pastebin like http://rafb.net/paste/ 01.21.29 # http://rafb.net/p/jCNSC898.html 01.21.49 # well, i do notice that the latest rev has a much shorter onplay function 01.22.16 # thats probably what caused the conflict 01.22.35 # i had the same problem today with another file.. the problem was remove functions.. :-) 01.22.38 Part a1titude 01.22.40 # onplay.c got the new menu api recently 01.22.55 # oh cool 01.23.12 # i dont know abouth the menu api but it sounds cool 01.23.28 # Mad-Cow: your {} are still not correct.. 01.23.42 # well, it breaks your patch ^^ 01.23.54 # I realized that, what else is wrong with them? 01.24.10 # i dont know which patch is it, im gonna try to pin point it 01.24.41 # do you know how to do content search in linux by any chance? 01.24.53 # Mad-Cow: your else statement ends after the printf("Load... because there are no {} 01.25.05 # Hilikus: with grep 01.25.16 # i cant remember the parameter 01.25.25 # OK, so where do put the { }? 01.25.29 # ill man it 01.25.38 # I usually call grep from emacs, so I don't type it out myself 01.25.55 # how do you do that??? 01.26.06 # a { after else and a } underload_firmware? 01.26.31 # M-X rgrep 01.26.32 # Mad-Cow: first is correct second not.. 01.26.43 # then where does the 2nd go? 01.26.53 # oh cool, thanks, didnt know about that 01.27.19 # at the end of the snippet.. 01.27.33 # this is the command it gives me when I search "search string" in *.[ch] files: 01.27.39 # find . \( -path \*/CVS -o -path \*/.svn -o -path \*/\{arch\} -o -path \*/.hg -o -path \*/_darcs \) -prune -o -type f \( -name \*.\[ch\] \) -print0 | xargs -0 -e grep -i -nH -e search\ string 01.27.53 # wow 01.28.13 # you can run this from the terminal and replace after -e with your query 01.28.21 # thanks, I'll try that now 01.29.00 # this is the output, btw: 01.29.05 # ./plugins/doom/d_deh.c:2703: found = deh_procStringSub(key, NULL, holdstring, fpout); // supply keyand not search string 01.29.05 # Grep finished (matches found) at Fri May 4 01:26:06 01.29.11 Join Soap3 [0] (n=Soap@host-69-95-63-45.spr.choiceone.net) 01.29.42 # Domonoky: Nope it still doesn't work 01.30.10 # Mad-Cow: then you are on your own, read a C book.. 01.30.50 # Oh well, at least I tried 01.32.05 Quit p3tur (Remote closed the connection) 01.32.25 Join webguest17 [0] (i=4267bcaa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d5a9bdc3725c8d57) 01.34.43 # Mad-Cow: you should try to ask an other time when that will be more C experts...you don't have luck not much main developers around 01.35.03 # 1:34 here in Europe 01.35.24 # but he should still read a c book :-) 01.35.39 Quit Slowking_Man (Client Quit) 01.36.01 # indeed :) 01.36.51 Quit petur ("Zzzz") 01.37.19 # Domonoky: nice work on rbutil btw (I tested it for the seconds times in my life :)) 01.37.37 # thx 01.38.36 Quit Mad-Cow ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 01.40.31 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.245.174) 01.46.23 Quit webguest17 ("CGI:IRC") 01.54.13 Quit Rincewind_ ("Cya") 01.57.30 Quit GodEater (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.58.14 Quit Domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.58.23 Quit barrywardell () 02.09.04 Nick z35_1 is now known as z35 (n=z@adsl-226-228-239.dab.bellsouth.net) 02.11.24 Part pixelma 02.18.14 Quit moos ("Glory to Rockbox") 02.25.05 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@71.142.13.6) 02.26.13 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@71-10-1-92.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) 02.40.43 Quit SirFunk (Remote closed the connection) 02.42.53 Quit krazykit (Remote closed the connection) 02.45.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.46.56 Join webguest57 [0] (i=406bdc78@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4d3fd89448a20958) 02.48.56 # hi i'm trying to create my own theme for rockbox for my ipod video.i know that it supports .JPEG images but i wanted to know if it could support .GIF images (the pictures that move)????? 02.49.00 # please help? 02.49.07 # : ) 02.49.23 Quit skatteola ("Sleeep.") 02.51.20 # if anybody is on and they can help i would really appreciate if they could please tell. : ) 02.53.34 Join bting [0] (i=89a5d881@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-daab4cf7a54d8ca4) 02.53.39 Join krazykit [0] (n=kkit@donatello.huffman.denison.edu) 02.57.46 Quit webguest57 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03.01.25 Join webguest83 [0] (i=406bdc78@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c298cdbc43533573) 03.01.58 # hi can anybody please tell me how to use the mpeg player on my ipod video? 03.02.09 # i already have rockbox installed. 03.05.54 # ??Hello?? 03.06.05 # ??Are you guy's busy?? 03.06.20 # webguest83 03.06.27 # oh 03.06.29 # hi 03.06.33 # : ) 03.06.40 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer 03.06.47 # this page is rather useful 03.06.51 # ok thank you! : ) 03.07.00 # but you "use it" just by "playing" the video file 03.07.25 # ok 03.07.38 # the thing is i cant playthat file?? 03.07.43 # you can download a sample video from that page to test it 03.07.49 # i dont know why? 03.07.50 # see if you can play it 03.08.06 # oh i already did that yesterday. 03.08.12 # didnt work 03.08.20 # what happens when you try to? 03.08.38 # it worked perfectly before but not anymore. 03.08.59 # i ckick on the file but nothing happens 03.09.06 # no messages on the screen? 03.09.15 # nope nothing. 03.09.47 # are you using the latest build? 03.09.51 # sometimes it just takes me to the screen that shows up as if i was playing music. 03.10.18 Join axlgreasetires [0] (n=chatzill@c-71-60-225-5.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 03.10.30 # i downloaded rockbox about 2 weeks ago, is that it? 03.11.08 # yeah update it and try again 03.11.46 # ok can you please give me a link? 03.12.13 # whhttp://build.rockbox.org/ 03.12.18 # Thank You! : ) 03.13.21 # wait can the mpeg player play mp4 (the ipod format)??? 03.13.47 # nope 03.14.22 # oh nowonder then!! Thanks for the help!!!! 03.14.31 # your welcome 03.14.39 # : ) Bye! 03.14.41 Quit webguest83 ("CGI:IRC") 03.16.26 Quit krazykit ("leaving") 03.17.39 Join krazykit [0] (n=kkit@donatello.huffman.denison.edu) 03.25.01 # hey guys, the text in my wps is all low, lower than in the screenshots i see for the wps, ive tried a lot of them and it always happens, what determines the Y position of the text?? 03.26.11 # do you have the font pack installed? 03.26.28 # yes 03.26.45 # does the theme require patches? 03.26.57 # i do see the text, its just the Y values are wrong 03.26.58 # yes 03.27.11 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 03.27.14 # im a missing a patch? 03.27.29 Join knapp_ [0] (n=knapp@67.132.247.218) 03.27.32 # the the theme requires one, possibly 03.27.50 # You just need a font that fits i have had this problem many times. 03.28.06 # oh so the theme doesnt automatically choose the font? 03.28.07 # Hilikus, if you know the y values are wrong, why not fix them manually? 03.28.54 # Who takes the time to fix y values 03.29.10 # * krazykit raises his hand 03.29.15 # haha 03.29.39 # which is funny, because i'm usually really lazy about this stuff 03.30.39 # what kind of patch would offset Y??? 03.34.05 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp149-30.adsl.forthnet.gr) 03.34.27 # i have to go eat some ice cream see ya 03.35.04 Quit axlgreasetires ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 03.37.02 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 03.40.21 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 03.48.43 Quit knapp_ (Remote closed the connection) 03.49.21 Join zivan56 [0] (n=not@64.46.5.220.novuscom.net) 03.51.31 Join n17ikh|Lappy [0] (n=n17ikh@c-76-23-114-46.hsd1.sc.comcast.net) 03.52.08 # i dont see any Y value for tetx 03.52.11 # text* 03.52.21 Join HellDragon [0] (i=JD@unaffiliated/helldragon) 03.52.22 # hey 03.53.28 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@adsl-76-212-62-185.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) 03.55.42 # I just used ipodpatcher on my ipod but now when I reboot it it's stuck at apple logo (black screen with white apple), I can only reset it then it goes back there ? 03.57.00 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 03.57.03 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp138-123.adsl.forthnet.gr) 03.58.31 # :( 03.59.00 # it isnt even detected in itunes 04.00.53 # nvm, i managed to boot into disk mode 04.05.30 Join jhulst_ [0] (n=jhulst@c-71-205-145-105.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 04.06.24 Join hannesd_ [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 04.07.13 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 04.07.16 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp239-125.adsl.forthnet.gr) 04.10.42 Quit hannesd (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 04.10.48 Join jaebird [0] (n=jae@53-89.netblk-69-41-89.coolaccess.net) 04.12.06 # krazykit: how do i change Y for text?? 04.12.12 Quit jhulst (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.12.13 Join Django84 [0] (n=pepepee@200.50.162.129) 04.12.17 Part Django84 04.12.38 Nick jhulst_ is now known as jhulst (n=jhulst@c-71-205-145-105.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 04.17.43 # HellDragon: did you forget to unzip rockbox.zip before rebooting? 04.17.55 # no 04.18.00 # well it's fixed now 04.18.04 # if he is stuck at the apple, then that isnt teh issue 04.18.07 # Hilikus: in the wps? it works by lines... so you cant position text to a pixel value 04.18.28 # HellDragon: seems alot from #f-s have been coming in here lately =P 04.18.29 # scorche: happened to me also. the rockbox.ipod file was corrupted and i got that sympton 04.18.37 # scorche: :o 04.18.42 # JdGordon: could be that 04.18.52 # so how do i move everything up? for some reason my wps are all lowered, so low that it gets cut in the bottom 04.19.09 # remove empty lines in the .wps 04.19.39 # i thought empty lines were ignored 04.19.48 Quit charkins (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.20.18 # no, they are used to positin tetx 04.20.21 # text 04.20.25 # ... sort of 04.20.33 # * JdGordon gone 04.20.43 Join charkins [0] (n=casey@pdpc/supporter/active/charkins) 04.21.33 # i dont see any empty lines! 04.21.35 # :S 04.26.14 Join gursikh [0] (n=khalsa@unaffiliated/gursikh) 04.35.19 Quit jaebird ("Leaving") 04.36.49 # lol 04.41.08 Join RHOPKINS13 [0] (n=RHOPKINS@159.230.128.214) 04.41.49 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=steve-o@adsl-65-69-154-217.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 04.43.00 Quit bting ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 04.43.24 Quit fagin ("Gotta run, things to do, places to be") 04.43.25 Join knapp [0] (n=knapp@67.132.247.218) 04.45.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.45.39 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 04.45.42 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp141-165.adsl.forthnet.gr) 04.48.14 Quit pearldiver (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04.51.11 Quit charkins (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.51.39 Join charkins [0] (n=casey@pdpc/supporter/active/charkins) 04.51.41 Quit charkins (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.51.59 Join charkins [0] (n=casey@pdpc/supporter/active/charkins) 04.54.01 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 04.54.04 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp137-248.adsl.forthnet.gr) 04.54.49 Quit RHOPKINS13 ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 04.58.55 Join pearldiver [0] (n=say@cpe-72-225-231-80.nyc.res.rr.com) 05.01.32 Quit nvz1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.11.35 Join webguest88 [0] (i=3ce08031@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0add1f06fa0ac6f9) 05.11.50 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@cpe-74-71-205-222.twcny.res.rr.com) 05.11.51 # Hello??? 05.12.16 # Rockbox has stuffed my gigabeat... How do I fix it? 05.12.32 # define "stuffed" 05.13.03 # Loading Firmware file not found then shuts down 05.13.47 # did you follow the instructions on the wiki? 05.14.13 # URL Link? 05.15.02 # seriously? 05.15.23 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort#Installation_Instructions 05.16.47 # though it sounds like you'll need the recovery procedures found a bit below on the page 05.17.01 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@adsl-65-69-154-217.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 05.17.10 # OK yeah It was all working. I used the software I got from Toshiba the "formatting utility for gigabeat" then it stuffed up 05.18.09 # did you have rockbox before running the 'formatting utility'? 05.18.19 # Yes 05.18.29 # you probably need to reinstall then 05.18.42 # it likely overwrote the firmware and such 05.19.10 # I all worked fine. I just needed to format the gigabeat. And I want the old gigabeat software on the gigabeat now. 05.19.26 # oh, you wanted the original firmware? 05.19.28 # *It all worked fine. 05.19.38 # Yes, original firmware 05.19.45 # Please 05.19.46 # all you had to do was rename the fwimg01.dat and remove .rockbox 05.21.07 Quit knapp (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.21.08 # :( 05.21.36 # well, i've never used the original firmware and i don't have windows to figure out the toshiba software, so i can't help much from here. 05.21.36 # Well now its stuffed, hey? 05.21.54 # in theory, the toshiba software should restore it 05.22.18 # Well it did not. 05.22.41 # How do I restore the \GBSYSTEM\FWIMG setup 05.22.42 # ? 05.22.53 # hopefully, you'd backed it up 05.22.54 # if not 05.23.33 # i have a backup of that entire folder 05.23.38 Join a1titude [0] (n=Compaq_A@206-163-245-140.swcr.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) 05.23.43 # something to do with FWIMG01.DAT.ORIG ? 05.23.48 # yeah 05.23.54 # rename that to fwimg01.dat 05.24.29 Quit a1titude (Client Quit) 05.25.13 # if you didn't replace the other files with the blanks, it should just boot you back ot the original firmware 05.25.48 # OK... Look likes its fine now... 05.26.12 # I just needed to change that FWIMG01.DAT.ORIG to FWIMG01.DAT and its fine 05.26.30 # deleted the old FWIMG01.DAT 05.26.55 # yep. 05.27.01 # might wanna back that folder up, just in case 05.27.38 # Oh? 05.27.58 # yeah, it never hurts to back stuff up 05.28.08 # especially since it sounds like the toshiba tool doesn't work 05.28.36 # No their tool is not great 05.28.56 # like many manufacturers, good hardware, crummy software 05.30.33 # One last question... 05.31.05 # mmhm 05.32.36 # When useing the "formatting utility for gigabeat" what should I set the "Allocation unit size" at? 32KB, 16KB or 8KB? 05.33.07 # uh, i think 32kb 05.33.30 # shouldn't matter though 05.34.02 # OK Kool 05.34.16 # Thanks you have been great! 05.34.20 Part webguest88 05.34.26 # whats this 05.34.27 # %CfFFFFFF 05.34.34 # in a wps 05.34.51 # looks like a color, maybe? 05.35.04 # * krazykit isn't familiar enough with wps yet though 05.35.15 # it does look like one, any idea which patch is that? or is that standard 05.35.47 # i can't tell the patch from a string in the WPS... the README or wherever it was hosted should say what patch/build it needs 05.37.20 # it says which build it is, and the build has a million patches, i am doing my own build :S 05.37.53 # ask the author? 05.39.53 Join atsea- [0] (i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-28d0d4ebce2d308d) 05.44.16 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B16AA1.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.44.29 Join Sanit [0] (n=undergro@192.122.217.11) 05.44.29 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.46.24 Join khalsa_ [0] (n=khalsa@adsl-68-92-217-67.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 05.48.01 Quit khalsa_ (Client Quit) 05.49.10 Join btdubs [0] (i=89a5f298@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-d987f8a64e9c9a16) 05.50.37 # lol 05.54.28 Join khalsa [0] (n=khalsa@unaffiliated/gursikh) 05.55.31 Quit khalsa (Client Quit) 05.56.46 Part Hilikus 06.00.13 Quit gursikh (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.02.11 Quit San (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.09.15 Join jhulst_ [0] (n=jhulst@c-71-205-145-105.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 06.11.44 # there's something wrong with graphic EQ screen, i just noticed 06.11.48 Part maffe 06.12.50 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 06.13.18 # http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-gigabeatf/configure_rockbox/images/ss-equalizer-240x320x16.png 06.14.04 # now where the black select box is, it actually covers the numbers so you can't see them 06.14.14 # gigabeat target, latest build 06.21.28 Quit atsea- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.24.20 Quit zivan56 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.26.05 Quit jhulst (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.26.11 Nick jhulst_ is now known as jhulst (n=jhulst@c-71-205-145-105.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 06.30.50 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 06.40.51 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@91.84.96.42) 06.43.56 Join nvz [0] (i=a@cpe-24-24-93-5.stny.res.rr.com) 06.45.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.54.49 Join atsea- [0] (i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-9237c6446de2d9a5) 07.10.08 Quit btdubs ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 07.12.22 Join ptw419 [0] (i=ptw419@216-188-249-122.dyn.grandenetworks.net) 07.17.06 Quit nvz (Nick collision from services.) 07.17.39 Join nvz1 [0] (i=a@cpe-24-24-93-5.stny.res.rr.com) 07.19.07 # wow, my ipod is stuck in the file browser, it wont reset with select+menu and doesnt do anything 07.20.03 # if it wont reset with select+menu, then something is seriously wrong with your ipod...that is hardware 07.20.50 # hold is on? 07.20.52 # did you switch hold on and off and then hold select+menu for 30 seconds? 07.21.04 # weird stuff happening 07.21.05 # yeah i tried 07.21.43 # so you did what i just said? 07.23.13 # i think it's because it's overheating 07.23.25 # why would it be overheating? 07.23.31 # because it's hot 07.28.33 Join mbr [0] (n=mbr@p3ee07685.dip.t-dialin.net) 07.35.27 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host67-219-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 07.40.38 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 07.44.24 Quit BHSPitLappy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.44.29 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.48.35 Join BHSPitMonkey_ [0] (n=stephen@67-64-144-90.dialup.rcsntx.swbell.net) 07.48.45 Join BHSPitLappy_ [0] (n=steve-o@67-64-144-90.dialup.rcsntx.swbell.net) 07.52.22 Nick BHSPitMonkey_ is now known as BHSPitMonkey (n=stephen@67-64-144-90.dialup.rcsntx.swbell.net) 07.56.08 Part toffe82 08.01.51 Quit secleinteer (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.02.11 Join secleinteer [0] (n=secleint@70.230.167.11) 08.08.14 Quit jhulst (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.08.40 Join norbusan [0] (n=norbusan@chello213047086216.5.14.tuwien.teleweb.at) 08.08.45 Part norbusan 08.20.29 Part maffe 08.20.38 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 08.34.49 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84.255.206.8) 08.37.37 Join Guile [0] (n=Guile@84.4.17.149) 08.39.54 Quit charkins ("Ex-Chat") 08.44.15 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@84.177.64.99) 08.45.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.45.32 Quit JdGordon (Remote closed the connection) 08.52.26 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0387dc49570d468c) 08.54.40 Join B4gder [0] (n=daniel@static-213-115-255-230.sme.bredbandsbolaget.se) 08.56.14 Join CelticSoul [0] (n=celticso@ivr94-1-87-88-75-71.dsl.club-internet.fr) 08.57.14 # hi guys 08.57.57 # is there any plan that rockbox will support Monkey Audio soon? 08.58.27 # no 08.58.39 # Monkey Audio is not licenced GPL-compatible 08.58.53 # and most likely requires too much CPU 08.59.14 # * petur can supply some monkey audio as wav or mp3 file :p 08.59.54 # thanks, do you know where I can find a list of support audio codec fox rockbox? 09.00.17 # cant find it in the wiki 09.00.28 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs#Current_status 09.02.08 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.03.19 # wonderful, it would be perfect if Monkey Audio was in the list :) 09.03.53 # you'd be a lot happier if you transcoded to flac or something instead 09.04.59 # I rather not, I dont like to mess with filenames and tags... 09.05.51 # you do as you please of course 09.06.39 # thank you B4gder, have a nice day! 09.08.36 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 09.09.13 Join GodEater [0] (n=bryan@host-84-9-130-156.bulldogdsl.com) 09.13.09 Join nls [0] (n=nils@nl104-202-175.student.uu.se) 09.17.11 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 09.21.12 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007040314]") 09.27.05 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 09.27.12 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 09.36.38 Part syntaxman 09.45.49 Join Toni1 [0] (i=d9b949a9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d6a93fc9a36420e0) 09.46.17 # my first commit: and bingo, red 09.47.28 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@dslb-088-072-228-012.pools.arcor-ip.net) 09.48.36 # that looks suspiciously like an outdated arm-elf-gcc 09.48.52 # and where is your last name?! 09.49.54 # sorry, I didn't know, that the 'real name' is displayed there 09.50.15 # so maybe Linus can change that? 09.50.26 # but yeah...dont worry...your build is fine 09.50.34 # patch even 09.50.59 # Ooh, fine 09.51.33 # Toni1: i just fized that 09.51.37 # fixed even 09.51.46 # Thanks, Linus 09.51.59 # i just sent you an email btw 09.52.21 # so the commit was just in time 09.58.39 # that red is a bad compiler on Slasheri's box 09.59.13 # I'll disable arm builds on it until it is fixed 09.59.45 Quit BHSPitLappy_ (Remote closed the connection) 10.00.38 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 10.03.11 # CelticSoul: What device are you running Rockbox on, and what compression level are your APE files? 10.03.12 # linuxstb: Am I right, that currently the main thread on PP502x does nothing except plugin execution? 10.03.39 # No - all the UI stuff happens on the main thread. 10.03.52 Join earHertz [0] (n=chatzill@65.244.175.100) 10.04.19 # Toni1: welcome to the team! 10.04.33 # Bagder: thanks :) 10.05.15 # you sould have had svn access a long time ago 10.05.44 # Really, I didn't know about that :-) 10.06.50 # amazing. why would sansa make it hard to port rockbox? 10.07.06 # What do people think about Toni committing his Sansa emulator to SVN? 10.07.16 # I'd love to see that in svn 10.08.06 # Me too. 10.08.24 # Hmm, still a lot of work to do on that 10.08.54 Mode "#rockbox -o Bagder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 10.08.59 # earHertz: sandisk has put some efforts in making it hard to run custom firmwares on the sansas at least 10.09.36 # B4gder: yes, i just don't understand why. seems that not doing so gives them a slight edge against teh ipod behemoth 10.09.39 # especially the R models, but there Real has done additional work 10.09.45 # er, would give 10.09.55 # linuxstd: I'm using iPod Color 4G, not sure about the ape compression level 10.10.02 # real as in real player? oh 10.10.07 # Maybe one day a DAP will have the "otheros" feature similar to the PS3... 10.10.26 # earHertz: yes, as in Real the company behind Rhapsody 10.10.33 # oh 10.11.03 # rockbox on ipod looks cleaner since I last checked in here 10.11.09 # quite sweet 10.11.22 # in general I think the manufacturers just prevent custom firmwares because of general fear and not really with a good solid reason 10.12.07 # foolish, given they could get teh product out much more cheaply by using rockbox 10.12.16 # im sure warranty replacements are a good part of that as well...people messing up the device in a way that the company cannot tell that a different firmware was used 10.12.18 # B4gder: well in the days when apple still believed in DRM, it would make sense for them to make life difficult for other firmwares since otherwise it would be deemed too easy to allow music piracy 10.12.42 # CelticSoul: If they are either "extra high" or "insane", then there is no chance your ipod will ever be able to play them - APE is a very slow codec. The lower compression levels may be feasible, but would require a lot of work to optimise a decoder. If I was you, I would investigate tools to batch-convert to FLAC. foobar2000 or dbpoweramp can probably both do it. 10.12.52 # not really, just replacing firmware does not make it easy to play DRM music in general 10.13.13 # B4gder: no - but it makes it easier to play non-DRM music, and transfer it between devices 10.13.18 # true 10.13.32 # this is the assumption I always worked on anyway 10.13.33 # GodEater: Apple's firmware plays unprotected MP3 files, so what's the difference? 10.13.39 # but virtually all companies do this counter-measurements in one way or another 10.13.48 # linuxstb: yes, but it stores them in that silly obfuscated manner 10.14.21 # actually I better understyand apple being closed, to preserve the cachet of the apple. But not so much those devices that trail the ipod 10.14.21 # I'm not saying that made it impossible to get around, just that I think they had to show due dilligence to the record companies 10.14.41 # GodEater: I think that's just a side-effect of being a database-only firmware, rather than a copy-protection measure. Why deal with very long filenames in the database if the user is never shown them? 10.15.09 # linuxstb: yeah, but thta doesn't explain the random distribution into different directories 10.15.22 # linuxstb: also true, but I still believe they wanted to assure the record companies that they'd made it a pain in the ass to get the music off the ipod 10.15.22 # earHertz: It does - itunes just hashes the filenames 10.15.40 # they just split the hash on dir name and file name somehow 10.15.40 # oh, really, so it's not random? 10.15.42 # oh, oh 10.15.43 # linuxstb: I'm on gentoo and I dont want to convert between codecs and mess with tags and filenames... 10.16.06 # CelticSoul: the grim reality is that APE was the wrong codec to go with from the start... 10.16.06 # CelticSoul: be prepared for distro ridicule now :) 10.16.23 # huh, is that to even out teh areas of the disk used? 10.16.58 # APE is the right codec, because he can always get back to the wav file and rip that 10.17.06 # I dont rip those files, got them from somewhere else 10.17.08 # FLAC cant? 10.17.19 # scorche: it can too 10.17.28 # earHertz: but he's saying he wants to stick with what he used originally, which then is APE... 10.17.50 Quit desowin ("use linux") 10.17.51 # I meant, as compared to teh first time I ripped stuff, using some dumbass real player gui and proprietary format 10.17.56 # years ago ;) 10.17.59 # exactly...just because APE is lossless, it doesnt mean it is "the right codec" 10.18.30 # let's all wait for fixed-point TAK in GPL-compatible C code without malloc ;-) 10.18.49 # k? 10.18.51 # tak? 10.18.56 # guys, I did not say which codec is right or wrong, I just dont want to mess with tags and filenames, that's all 10.19.07 # I'm drawing a blank on TAK too 10.19.21 # earHertz: rather recent lossless codec with good numbers 10.19.26 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 10.19.36 # zh 10.19.38 # ah 10.19.45 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TAK_%28audio_codec%29 10.20.01 # B4gder: out of curiosuity, do you still use your archos? 10.20.18 # nope 10.20.26 # what then? 10.20.38 # not as a DAP at least, only as a paper weight ;-) 10.20.50 # scorche: nice - article scheduled for deletion 10.20.54 # I use my X5 mostly and sansa occationally 10.21.08 # and I intend to exersize my h140 soon as well 10.21.13 # habven't tried those 10.21.23 # but I do like my ipod video 10.21.46 # funny thing is, i mostly play a very few albums despite have 60 gb 10.22.02 # * GodEater lets his H140 live in the car - useful for long trips now that it has a 2200mah battery 10.22.46 # * B4gder still awaits the first rockbox-related podcasts to appear 10.23.19 # * kclaf has his ipod5G in car plugged to alpine headunit and blames rockbox for lacking AiR protocol support 10.23.35 # * kclaf blames himself for not developping it ;) 10.25.06 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.25.18 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@dslb-088-072-228-012.pools.arcor-ip.net) 10.25.45 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 10.29.25 # Is there any way to tell an iPod's generation from the firmware partition? 10.30.40 # there are magic numbers, but i forget where 10.31.05 # There's a firmware format version in there, but it's not very specific 10.31.18 # dunno 10.31.21 # 3 = mini, photo 4th and 5th generation 10.31.39 # aliask: Look at the ipodpatcher source - the firmware version can be used for anything later than the 3rd gen. 10.33.00 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.37.26 # CelticSoul: which player do you use for your APE files? 10.37.37 # CelticSoul: If you want to play those files on your ipod, you have no choice - we can't make Monkey's Audio efficient. The fact is simply that it's far too complex a codec. 10.38.31 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 10.39.37 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007040314]") 10.39.47 # CelticSoul: FLAC on the other hand is a very efficient codec and highly recommended for use in Rockbox. 10.41.24 Part Toni1 10.41.25 # wavpack is not too bad either 10.42.35 # markun: I use Audacious with MAC for APE files 10.43.06 Quit cendres_ ("leaving") 10.43.06 Join obo [0] (n=obo@host217-41-62-170.in-addr.btopenworld.com) 10.43.23 # linuxstb: thanks, I really have no choice then 10.43.42 # CelticSoul: Foobar runs under Wine... 10.44.33 # I dont like wine, both wine for linux and wine in real life :) 10.45.02 # You've made life hard for yourself then... 10.45.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.45.24 # wine just make people lazy to port their apps to linux 10.46.10 # Then I wonder why you chose to use a restricted format like APE. 10.46.39 # CelticSoul: there are a few "ape2flac" scripts 10.47.02 # man I did not chose it, I got those files from somewhere else 10.47.04 Quit lids (Remote closed the connection) 10.47.16 # CelticSoul: not everybody's paying attention today ;) 10.47.44 # you chose to keep the format ;-) 10.48.12 # That's what I meant - if I acquire any APE files, I immediately convert to FLAC. 10.49.24 # I'm such a non-audiophile that they go straight to Ogg Vorbis here :) 10.49.25 # ok, looks like I have no choice but to convert then 10.49.31 # does APE have any advantage over FLAC? 10.49.38 # LinusN: better compression 10.49.42 # aha 10.49.49 # yes 10.49.56 Join lids [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-0a5ca7cc64637cbf) 10.49.58 # way better, or just better? 10.50.02 # but the difference is not a lot better 10.50.18 # they say it's 30-40% 10.50.22 # hahaha 10.50.24 # But at a big penalty over decode time - APE can be between about 4 and 50 times as slow to decode as FLAC. 10.50.35 # 30-40% better than flac? wow! 10.50.38 # the tables I've seen have not shown 30-40 10.50.39 # LinusN: not so big if you ask me: http://www.monkeysaudio.com/comparison.html 10.50.56 # I thought it was closer to about 2%... 10.51.01 # yeah 10.51.11 # but maybe the monkeysaudio guys lied to make the other codecs look better on that page :) 10.51.13 # Assuming "flac -8" 10.51.47 # dont blame me, I got that info from my friend 10.51.50 # :) 10.51.54 # :-) 10.51.59 # never trust your friends :-P 10.52.06 # indeed! :) 10.52.07 # name your friend and we'll send the hit team over 10.52.25 # * B4gder has no friends 10.52.27 # LOL 10.52.32 # *g* 10.52.53 # we got rid of Bagder's friends a long time ago 10.53.03 # Here's a more up to date comparison - http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Lossless_comparison#Comparison_Table 10.53.04 # I can imagine the difference between ape and flac compression also depends on the audio 10.54.25 # linuxstb: how does WavPack decoding compare to Flac with rockbox? 10.55.01 # It's slower than FLAC but I'm not sure by how much. 10.56.26 # * amiconn doesn't expect big differences in compression ratio between any 2 lossless codecs (provided they're compared in their maximum compression modes) 10.56.33 Join blithe [0] (n=blithe@dsl081-139-202.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 10.56.39 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.58.03 # amiconn: The table I liked to shows that the various codecs vary between about 53% and 63% of the original WAV size. I assume that table is based on the average over a large set of test files. Although it uses the default encoder settings. 10.58.11 # s/liked to/linked to/ 10.58.12 # weren't there were some problems with 24-bit support for flac? 10.58.32 # Not problems as such, but the reference encoder isn't very good with 24-bit files. 10.58.59 # That's something the author is working to improve. But it's just an encoder issue, rather than the format itself afaik. 11.01.10 # The comparison table says APE is open source? 11.01.24 # it is 11.01.27 # * amiconn thought it wasn't, and that'd be the reason why we cannot support it... 11.01.29 # just not GPl compatible 11.01.32 # GPL 11.01.46 # linuxstb: ah yes: http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/flac-dev/2007-April/002179.html 11.03.10 # Ah, that nasty problem again :\ 11.03.19 # yeps 11.03.23 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54965A27.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.05.33 Join Br3nda [0] (n=brenda@121-73-1-165.cable.telstraclear.net) 11.06.29 Join crop [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-31dd329c200e5e7f) 11.08.47 # amiconn: I'm listening to another book using eSpeak again :) 11.08.58 # markun: what are the kbd files used for? Will the custom layout be shown when e.g. entering the name of the file to save the config to? 11.09.09 # crop: yes, exactly 11.09.18 # they change the vkeyboard 11.10.31 # amiconn: The Monkey's Audio author made up his own license and has refused many requests for him to use something standard. The only solution would be to write a decoder from scratch. 11.10.44 # markun: are the lines wrapped? I.e. how can a get the default layout? BTW: it uses the system font, right? And the custom kbd uses UI font? 11.11.16 # markun: default layout arranges symbols to rectangular blocks -- a nice feature 11.11.48 # crop: the kbd wraps until it encounters a newline 11.12.38 # but maybe you can help think about a better way to do the layouting 11.13.29 # but I think this way works ok for now and is quite flexible 11.14.26 # markun: you mean it works like "wrap lines" in text editors? 11.14.45 # crop: yes 11.14.57 # And pages are only scrolled vertically? 11.15.04 # yes 11.15.21 # ah, good point, we could do horizontal scrolling 11.15.23 # markun: What do you think about having virtual keys for actions such as BACKSPACE, ENTER and CANCEL ? IMO that would make the keyboard much friendlier for occasional users. 11.15.35 # linuxstb: I think so too 11.15.36 # One last question (I've never used that): how is the grid computed? 11.16.05 # Why virtual keys for actions that can be performed directly? 11.16.08 # by looking at the with of each glyph in the kbd file and choosing the biggest 11.16.08 # And how can I turn it back to the default layout and system font? 11.16.55 # linuxstb: or, to annoy amiconn even more we can add a menu with backspace, enter, cancel etc :) 11.16.59 # amiconn: Because it's friendlier and is what people are used to with virtual keyboards. 11.17.27 # Strange idea... the current method is significantly faster 11.17.40 # amiconn: you can beat me up when we meet in sweden :) 11.17.48 # markun: biggest in the whole font or only on the displayed page? 11.17.52 # for all the pain I've caused you over the years 11.17.57 # amiconn: I'm not saying get rid of the shortcuts... 11.18.02 # crop: only in the file 11.18.23 # but yes, we could have done it per page 11.18.43 # markun: no, I like it per file -- no jumps in the GUI 11.18.44 # but this makes the code a lot simpler 11.19.10 # markun: how about returning to the default and system font? Is it possible at all? 11.19.12 # crop: maybe you can play around with it and make suggestions for improvements 11.19.20 # I'm not sure if it's possible 11.19.53 # markun: I hope resetting settings (and possibly a restart) will do 11.19.56 # crop: were you suggesting horizontal crolling btw? 11.20.12 # instead of wrapping 11.21.06 # could be nice 11.21.57 # markun: no, just wanted to know how it works. You can trim your KBD file to your font and screen size. Id isn't worth code complexity IMO. But if could be done at no cost then it would be a nice feature. 11.22.16 # OTOH we'd then have vert and horiz scrolling which is too complicated 11.23.10 # You'd have to have key for the two sorts of scrollings -- a waste 11.24.11 # Hrm... but if you move the cursor to the right then it could scroll... I don't know since (as I said) I've never used that, the default layout did serve me well enoght 11.25.26 Join moos [0] (i=moos@m135.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 11.26.09 # crop: what about always keeping the cursor in the center and scroll the keyboard around when you move up/down/left/right? ;) 11.26.36 # just kidding 11.27.27 # Keeping the cursor in the center and scroll the keyboard around would actually be a good thing 11.27.32 # there could be a scroll margin 11.28.07 # (and the cursor would start moving when the keyboard margin is reached 11.28.09 # hm, maybe I'll implement it to try 11.28.39 # Then we could get rid of the multi-page split for small LCDs, and the default vkeyboard could also use the UI font 11.29.29 # ok, you got me convinced my idea was not so bad after all :) 11.36.18 Quit pabs ("brb") 11.37.19 # No margin is needed. Just wrap it left to right and up-down. I.e. make it a sphere. 11.38.28 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 11.39.24 Quit HellDragon (Connection timed out) 11.39.39 Join HellDragon [0] (n=JD@unaffiliated/helldragon) 11.39.45 # crop: yes, that would be possible too 11.39.49 # crop: how would you enter line edit mode then on some targets? 11.40.05 Join pabs [0] (n=pabs@xor.pablotron.org) 11.40.08 # pixelma: how do you enter it now? 11.40.09 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 11.40.23 # Using the default kbd layout (i.e. no .kbd file) on my ipod Color, I get a large (about 25% of the width) block of spaces on the right side of the screen which the cursor moves around in - is that intended? 11.41.15 # markun: going "up" from the uppermost line in the vkeyboard, or "down" from the lowest... 11.41.27 # aha 11.41.34 # lack of buttons? 11.42.30 # pixelma: well, from the new vkeyboard menu item "line edit mode" then ;) 11.42.47 # on Ondio that seems to be the reason, but afaik this is the case on other targets as well - on my M5 it works the same way and I find it quite handy... 11.42.47 # yup like on X5/M5 for exemple 11.43.26 # maybe we can work on the vkeyboard code at the devcon 11.43.37 # markun: The player vkeyboard used to have a menu. I can tell you, it was incredibly cumbersome and unintuitive... 11.44.20 Join Entasis [0] (n=Jarred@ppp48-102.lns11.adl2.internode.on.net) 11.48.29 # amiconn: yes, to go to a menu for every backspace sounds terrible 11.48.56 # yes, that nasty line edit mode.... maybe long SELECT press? Or MODE? I don't know what keys are available on different daps 11.49.38 # The Ondio has 6 buttons 11.49.52 # IMO, one aim for Rockbox's UI should be that at least the main features of Rockbox (and I would include the keyboard in that) are usable by anyone without them needing to read the manual - i.e. give them a device with Rockbox installed and they can use it. It currently takes experimentation and failure to deduce how the keyboard works, and even then a user may not guess all the key combinations available. 11.49.52 # crop: all "easy" presses (i.e. no combos) they are used 11.49.56 Quit petur ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 11.50.07 # Off (or more correctly Power) is cancel, short Mode selects letter, L/R/U/D moves, and long Mode is accept 11.50.19 # Nothing left for extra functions 11.50.41 # linuxstb: indeed 11.51.11 # linuxstb: The vkeyboard needs experimentation?? 11.51.50 # for find keys... 11.52.04 # amiconn: Yes. For example, "select" would seem a natural button to confirm the entry on an ipod, but it doesn't. 11.52.10 # if the user didn't read the manual 11.53.16 # DAPs simply don't have keys which are obviously labeled for virtual keyboard use. 11.53.55 # the only things I maybe wouldn't have found out without asking is "accept" and "cancel" but once you know it, its nice to have. Hard to find a better way... 11.54.23 # I agree the shortcuts should be there, I just think virtual keys would be nice as well. 11.54.54 # pixelma: an "accept" item and a "cancel" one ? 11.55.05 # linuxstb: same here 11.57.50 # Actually, I've never needed a custom kbd. If I need some special chars in the name then I just save the file under what is suggested and edit the name on the PC afterwards. I find the default layout better than the layout with the UI font. More chars fit in and nice blocks. 12.00.11 # crop: it's be nice for non english rockbox users 12.00.27 # it has a korean input-method for example 12.00.30 Part maffe 12.00.40 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 12.02.14 # markun: but it's still easier done on a PC 12.02.39 # crop: but koreans love gadgets :) 12.03.22 # markun: but that much?! =:-O 12.03.24 # It all depends. E.g. on the recorders virtual buttons for operations won't make sense at all 12.03.40 # ...because of its soft buttons which are labeled in the button bar 12.03.52 # So personally I'd keep to a bare minimum 12.04.17 # And by using the UI font I could have _more_ chars per page than with the sysfont on the archoses... 12.04.25 # A DAP is not a full fledged input device. Period. 12.04.53 # crop: we can still improve it. Why are you so negative? 12.05.01 # or 'realistic' :) 12.05.17 # That's the right word! :-) 12.11.34 Quit lids (Remote closed the connection) 12.15.48 # A DAP will never be at text input as a PC with a real keyboard. That's why I think we should make text input on the dap just good enough but not as perfect as it's on a PC 12.16.23 # crop: Shouldn't we simply try to make it as good as we can? 12.17.10 # You seem to be saying we shouldn't try... 12.18.14 # crop: well, I'm glad we don't all think like this 12.18.33 # or else I wouldn't be able to watch Twin Peaks on my 'DAP' now 12.18.58 # linuxstb: no, that I'm not saying. I only think that we shouldn't make it overcomplicated and spend too much time on it and increase the bin size. 12.19.22 # crop: OK, I agree with that. 12.19.50 # Not necessarily spending time on it, but the bin size and complication issues. 12.20.36 # linuxstb: and personally for me the default layout is good enough (see above) But (see amiconn's reply) it depends on the DAP. I own a h120. 12.21.16 # linuxstb: *too much* time ;-) (your next post: define "too much" :-))) 12.21.43 # crop: That's up to the developer - if someone wants to spend time on the keyboard, why not? 12.22.17 # No reason why not, absolutely. 12.22.57 # 12:04 < crop> A DAP is not a full fledged input device. Period. 12.22.58 # markun! goed dag! 12.23.06 # Pimpdaddypayne: good day man :) 12.24.46 # markun: yes, I still think so. That's why I think that the default layout is good enough. But if someone likes to work on it I'll never say "don't" Just I wouldn't do it. 12.25.17 # Pimpdaddypayne: do you see my PM's? 12.25.42 # I see them! :) 12.25.42 # crop: ok 12.27.07 # There is a red build and nobody screams? 12.27.46 # we scream 12.27.50 # at Slasheri 12.28.12 # and disabled arm builds on his build server in the mean time 12.28.23 # B4gder: why at him? 12.28.30 # Just ahabit? :-) 12.28.34 # click the red link and see 12.28.46 # and consider his server did the build 12.29.07 Join webguest81 [0] (i=3b8dd6d0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b8b8ec5c4de29e81) 12.29.18 # yo 12.29.27 # webguest81: 'sup? 12.29.57 # markun: fine, bout you ? 12.30.17 # B4gder: so you should blame the server, not Slasheri 12.30.33 # we blame the compiler actually 12.30.46 # but Slasheri's in charge of the server and the one who can upgrade the compiler 12.30.50 # and Slasheri's lack of updating ;) 12.31.20 # B4gder: Does configure do any validation of minimum gcc versions? 12.31.26 # nope 12.32.14 # webguest81: same old 12.32.15 Quit webguest81 (Client Quit) 12.32.44 # linuxstb: but I guess displaying some kind of warning would be suitable 12.33.42 # Maybe it's not worth the effort, but it would be nice if the build system could distinguish between builds failing due to environment (and try a different server) and fail due to bad code. 12.34.11 # that'd require a bit too much work to be worth it imho 12.34.35 Join Toni1 [0] (i=d9b95ea2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3e0b10df7ad209e1) 12.34.56 # Toni1: try to refer to tracker entries as "FS #[num]" in commit messages 12.35.06 # i will update the compilers soon 12.35.08 # as then they'll be URLs etc in the logs 12.35.13 # ok, will do next time 12.35.26 # FS#xxxx works fine as well 12.35.26 # Slasheri: great 12.35.42 # right, space in between is optional 12.37.11 # regarding PP502x register definitions: shouldn't the CPU_INT_STAT be changed to the correct value? 12.37.50 # currently it is defined as 0x64004000 but the correct one is 0x60004000 12.38.41 # sure 12.38.44 # which doesn't matter because of memory address mapping anyway, but my emulator has some problems :) 12.38.45 # it's the same thing due to liasing, though 12.38.52 # but feel free to change it 12.39.12 # ok, will do soon 12.39.54 # Shouldn't the emulator behave as close to the target as possible? 12.40.14 # we don't know exactly how the memory controller works 12.41.04 # these oddities makes things more complicated, as they are already 12.45.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.45.58 # preglow: Can you remember where 0x64004000 came from? Was it just a lucky typo? 12.46.11 # false alaram: barrywardell did it already 12.46.29 # * linuxstb spots 0x64004000 in the IPL source... 12.46.53 # Which probably implies that the Apple firmware uses it... 12.49.21 # linuxstb: ipl, yes 12.49.44 # i don't think i've ever seen it in disassemblies myself 12.53.11 # linuxstb: I enabled the cop cpsr register for IRQs and got unexpected interrupts beside TIMER1 interrupts, any idea? 12.54.54 # none of the COP_INT_STAT and COP_IE_STAT bits was set 12.55.05 # hmm 13.02.15 # Toni1: On your Sansa I assume? 13.02.52 # yes 13.04.09 # I will investigate further 13.05.12 Part Toni1 13.18.11 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 13.29.23 Quit Soap3 ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 13.32.27 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.42.40 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 13.43.23 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484A4D7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 13.47.58 Quit spiorf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.49.08 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host151-170-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 13.52.12 Quit Br3nda (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.54.44 Quit crop ("CGI:IRC") 13.56.59 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.57.12 Join lids [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-e44952337c545f71) 14.01.05 Join Redbreva [0] (n=chatzill@host86-150-228-227.range86-150.btcentralplus.com) 14.04.06 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 14.10.59 Join gursikh [0] (n=khalsa@unaffiliated/gursikh) 14.15.54 Quit linuxstb__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.32.49 Quit Redbreva ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 14.34.16 Quit thegeek_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.34.30 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s026b.studby.ntnu.no) 14.40.42 Join jaebird [0] (n=jae@53-89.netblk-69-41-89.coolaccess.net) 14.43.33 Quit SirFunk (Connection timed out) 14.45.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.02.16 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 15.03.52 Join eMb [0] (n=DurButte@90-227-201-13-no36.tbcn.telia.com) 15.06.34 Part LinusN 15.06.47 Join RaRe [0] (n=Laffin_B@202-89-187-101.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) 15.12.41 # overall happy rockbox users over at mygigabeat: http://www.mygigabeat.com/forum/messages.cfm?threadid=51C8C17D-3048-2906-EA49535BE3F8D29B 15.13.49 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54967A4C.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.15.49 # How's the runtime when viewing videos with gigabeat? 15.18.07 # eMb: I don't think anyone has ever run a test. But the need to have the backlight permanently on will drain the battery a lot. 15.18.17 # aye, also decoding 15.18.55 # Right now trying to find the cheapest available player that also has Usable status with rockbox 15.20.01 # "usable" depends on how important battery life is to you, plus if you want to use CPU-intensive features such as video or the software DSP effects (equaliser etc). 15.20.08 # yes, there was a test by llorean 15.20.13 # about 5 hours iirc 15.20.19 # That's pretty good. 15.20.20 # Ah yes, I remember now,.. 15.20.40 # Anyways, I'm not going to use any DSP effects, visualizations, video, or such. 15.20.57 Quit gursikh (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.21.03 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 15.21.08 Quit RaRe` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.21.10 # eMb: one of the biggest consumers is the backlight, if you lower the brightness you could gain some more time 15.22.48 # eMb: look at the difference with LCD on or off http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/GigabeatInfo?rev=2;filename=Power.html 15.23.29 # wow 15.24.33 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@admin-147-222.potsdam.edu) 15.25.04 Quit earHertz ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 15.27.20 # linuxstb_: we should add brightness control to mpegplayer for targets which support it 15.28.02 # Why separate brightness control when you have it in rockbox itself? 15.28.39 # Wouldn't mpegplayer brightness just change the pixels to display more white? 15.29.50 # i though that LCDs used a backlight 15.30.01 # so the pixel's color isn't related to brightness 15.30.06 # unless i'm wrong of course :) 15.30.24 # Yeah, so mpegplayer shouldn't have anything to do with brightness? 15.30.32 # I don't know. Don't listen to me. 15.31.12 Join DarkJesus [0] (n=shane@cpc3-barn8-0-0-cust232.brnt.cable.ntl.com) 15.31.21 Join ctaf [0] (n=ctaf@ram94-6-82-242-23-70.fbx.proxad.net) 15.31.34 # Can someone tell me if the audioscrobbler capabilities are in the default build of rockbox? 15.31.35 Part ctaf 15.32.05 # Strange, the iPods seem cheaper than both irivers and iaudios 15.32.55 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 15.33.03 # DarkJesus: yes they are 15.33.08 # Awesome 15.33.12 # and the gigabeats and sansas are cheaper than ipods... 15.33.20 # only we call them last.fm, not audioscrobbler 15.33.50 # I <3 my gigabeat 15.34.09 # awesome, I've long wanted my old creative player to support audioscrobbler 15.37.52 # amiconn: because you cannot go back to the rockbox menu from withing the mpegplayer plugin 15.38.02 # same reason why we have volume control in the mpegplayer 15.38.03 # markun: Maybe making the LCD settings menu accessible from within mpegplayer would be better? 15.38.29 # linuxstb_: which other settings in there would you want to change? 15.38.34 Join oll2 [0] (n=olle@h16n1fls34o836.telia.com) 15.39.28 # markun: OK, probably none... 15.39.51 Part oll2 15.40.35 # markun: Do you change brightness all the time while watching tv? 15.40.47 # Unlike volume, you probably don't... 15.41.01 # I do, otherwise I wouldn't suggest it 15.41.43 # I would suggest it makes even MORE sense on a portable player to have easy access to brightness 15.42.03 # since if you're watching on the bus or something, lighting conditions change quicker than in your living room 15.42.22 # amiconn: if you are trying to watch something outside and the lighting coditions change the screen can become almost invisible 15.42.52 # and don't tell me "I just wouldn't watch it outside" 15.42.53 # Hey, the feature comparison page says the files in dir limit for rockbox is 10000? 15.43.08 # I read otherwhere on the site that this is user configurable. Is 10000 the absolute max? 15.43.16 # eMb: it's configurable 15.43.17 # Otherwise a footnote or change is warranted. 15.43.19 # 10,000 is the default 15.43.26 # No it's not 15.43.27 # I thought 400 was the default? 15.43.30 # no ? 15.43.37 # 10000 is the maximum. 400 is the default 15.43.41 # ok 15.43.45 # Tjis is *per dir* not in total 15.43.46 # Then no need for any change. 15.43.56 # * GodEater heads for the back of the class with his dunce's cap in hnad 15.44.07 # *This even 15.44.21 # amiconn: Do you know why there's a maximum? 15.44.31 # Yes 15.44.40 # :) What's the reason? 15.44.44 # there needs to be values to select from in the settings screen if nothing else 15.44.48 # 10000 dirs already take half of the memory on the archoses 15.45.42 # But in theory, an insanse user could recompile and increase it? 15.45.55 # insane user even 15.46.08 # On targets with more ram, yes 15.46.26 # Wow, rockbox looks totally different 15.46.26 # For some reason the default is now 1000?!??!?!! 15.46.28 # the "100000-dir entries custom build" 15.46.52 # JdGordon must have changed that during the settings transition :( 15.48.50 # DarkJesus: better? :) 15.49.36 # Hey, does the Gigabeat MEG-F40 count as an F40 as far as compatibility go? 15.49.44 # it doesn't just count 15.49.48 # it IS an F40 15.49.56 # we just abbreviated it 15.50.04 # alright, great 15.50.10 # I'm considering buying one. 15.50.16 # markun, yes 15.50.17 # For hot rockbox action. 15.50.19 # they're great vlue 15.50.46 # greatest GB/buck value out of the supported models, it seems 15.51.03 # and MHz/buck :) 15.51.11 # I think.. 15.51.11 # heh - *easily* that 15.51.29 # greatest [fill in]/buck for almost any fill-in 15.51.48 # eMb: but no radio or recording 15.51.59 # I don't need either. 15.52.01 # amiconn: Are you going to fix the default back to 400? 15.52.16 # Radio is unbearable most of the time, and recording is not something I've ever felt the need for. 15.53.13 # so who's going to write the TCP/IP stack for when we get the Zune going, and want internet radio ? ;) 15.53.50 # GodEater: You can just reboot into zune-linux for that... 15.54.05 # GodEater: http://www.sics.se/~adam/uip/ 15.54.06 # of course, I'd forgotten how successful that project was... 15.54.10 # there are freely availbly tiny IP stacks 15.54.42 # Can't you just use already available (GPL) code for that, or is the complete-rewrite policy all-encompassing? 15.54.50 # We would have to start worrying about security then though... 15.55.09 # linuxstb_: how depressing 15.55.30 # * GodEater wouldn't want his DAP to get DDOS at the traffic lights 15.56.54 # Hehe, does security really matter in such a device? 15.58.27 # And, well, Rockbox is probably already vulnerable to maliciously crafted audio files. 15.59.02 # well, if it would reboot or raise volume when a funny person in the car next to you press a button it might turn boring 15.59.34 # Broadcasting a message remotely would be a good prank. 16.00.00 # "This is the FBI, turn over immediately." 16.00.37 # Yeah, something like that. 16.00.52 # or just a good merzbow track :) 16.02.27 # I've got to head out. Nice talking to you. 16.02.27 Part eMb ("(>^_(>°_°") 16.03.22 # Does the Zune have a mechanical switch to turn off its Wi-Fi? 16.06.14 # And speaking of wireless, how come there are so few DAPs with Bluetooth support? 16.06.30 Join bluebrother [0] (i=UdOxsf6l@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 16.06.42 Quit GodEater (Remote closed the connection) 16.06.59 Join gursikh [0] (n=khalsa@unaffiliated/gursikh) 16.08.34 # What good would be bluetooth on a dap? 16.08.52 # It's too slow for transferring files and/or hifi audio transmission 16.11.50 Join raphi [0] (n=Raphi@pub082136121134.dh-hfc.datazug.ch) 16.13.15 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A97092.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.13.33 # it would be good for sucking out the battery ;-) 16.14.10 # Well, it's much more power-conservative than Wi-Fi, and Bluetooth 2.0 goes up to 2-something Mbit/s 16.14.32 # 2MBit/s would *just even* be enough for hifi audio 16.15.01 # And Bluetooth 2.0 ifn't very common yet 16.15.09 # *isn't 16.15.12 # 48000 Hz * 16 bits is a mere 96 kilobytes/s 16.16.29 # Oh wait, double that for stereo. 16.16.40 # So yeah, it's pretty close to the peak throughput. 16.16.51 # ... and multiply it with 8 to get kbit/s 16.17.05 # bits at least 16.17.28 # and I bet the raw speed they count is not pure payload data 16.17.41 # * bluebrother hands out the missed s 16.19.03 # might be usefull with the next-gen bluetooth (wimedia bluetooth version) 16.19.56 # oh, one could of course want to sync the mp3 mobile phone with the mp3 player ;-) 16.20.17 # or transfer data from laptop, etc. 16.20.27 # But listening to music with hard drive in one pocket and MP3 player in the other would be kind of neat. 16.20.46 # are there hard drives with only bluetooth attached available? 16.20.49 Quit SirFunk (Remote closed the connection) 16.20.58 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 16.21.11 Join GodEater [0] (n=bryan@host-84-9-130-156.bulldogdsl.com) 16.21.29 Quit linuxstb_ (Nick collision from services.) 16.21.36 Nick linuxstb__ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 16.21.43 # bluebrother: psp3 ;-) 16.22.41 # anyway, there is always this tiny thing with the difference between technically possible and feasible 16.22.52 # (or useful) 16.23.50 # I can think of nowhere more likely than an open source project for that sort of thing to appear :P 16.24.17 # hehe 16.24.25 # "rubbish" as they say 16.24.34 # the beautiness of open source ;-) 16.24.44 # aliask: The masters of "optional feature" creep. :) 16.25.11 # I think rockbox actually manages pretty well in terms of feature creep. 16.25.49 # I wouldn't know, I haven't even attempted compiling it yet for my chip. ;) 16.25.50 # If you exclude plugins... 16.25.54 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@admin-147-222.potsdam.edu) 16.26.38 # Rockbox already has way too many features to be fully utilized by a single user 16.27.05 # I was watching the Google TechTalk "the paradox of choice why more is less" the other say 16.27.07 # But the features we have would be used by more than one user. 16.27.18 # rockbox does exactly what this guy is telling us not to do :) 16.27.41 # markun: He's suggesting a feature freeze? :) 16.27.42 # hehehe 16.27.52 # linuxstb: feature reduction :) 16.28.03 # remove doom *g* 16.28.11 # you should watch that video with the subversion guys (on google) talking about identifying bad persons in open source projects 16.28.23 # only problem is that doom is a plugin and not a feature ;-) 16.28.27 # since they mention a lot of stuff projects should do, and we do many of them... 16.28.34 # B4gder: I did and couldn't help thinking about Dongs :) 16.28.34 # * linuxstb would be happy with FLAC playback only, and no DSP effects or crossfade - a very simple playback engine... 16.28.37 # * amiconn could name several core features which could be removed in an instant based on his own usage patterns 16.28.41 # markun: haha 16.29.01 # also about some other people of which I don't remember the nicks 16.29.11 # bad persons in projects? In what terms bad? 16.29.19 # Well, what are the most obscure (core) features in Rockbox? 16.29.26 # bluebrother: in the terms we all would agree on ;-) 16.29.40 # its a good talk 16.29.40 # intgr: What do you mean by obscure? Least-used? 16.29.45 # linuxstb: Yeah. 16.29.55 # where is it available? Google video? 16.30.00 # http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6127548813950043200&q=the+paradox+of+choice+why+more+is+less 16.30.48 # http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=-4216011961522818645 16.30.51 # intgr: I'm not sure how we could tell that. 16.31.11 # a negative docid.. 16.31.18 # Unless we make a "big brother build" which logged usage 16.31.22 # ~55 minutes video 16.31.36 # My obsolete features list: crossfade, crossfeed, eq, most database features (those that go beyond simple artist/album/track browsing), replaygain, theme support 16.31.40 # linuxstb: Well, just wondering. 16.31.52 # That list isn't complete, just what came to mind within a minute 16.31.53 # amiconn: I find all of those pretty useful. 16.32.04 # At least on desktop computers. 16.32.12 # "The Graphing Calculator Story" is also a nice talk 16.32.22 # about a guy working at Apple for a long time after he got fired 16.32.36 Join crop [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ab2a335aad953651) 16.32.51 Join hostf4cekilla [0] (n=chatzill@pool-70-22-207-151.bos.east.verizon.net) 16.32.58 # Working for Apple after he got fired working for whom? 16.33.13 # amiconn: to continue the list: loadable icons and icons as such... 16.33.13 # amiconn: why did replaygain become obsolete? 16.33.18 Join webguest65 [0] (i=582aa7b1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6c69c91167fd7816) 16.33.28 Part maffe 16.33.32 Quit webguest65 (Client Quit) 16.34.03 # Themes per se aren't necessary, but I prefer the freedom to choose over a bad enforced theme. 16.34.04 # ReplayGain is one of my favorite feature :o 16.34.12 # mine too 16.34.35 # so is crossfeed 16.34.42 # Yeah, ReplayGain is more necessary than on desktops, since it is not always convenient to go after the volume button with each changing track. 16.34.52 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF7C97.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.35.10 # replaygain is quite convenient on the desktop too. 16.35.11 # I don't quite understand, how do you get your music at all different volumes? I get most of my music from... uh... various sources, and I've never even considered replaygain. 16.35.37 # I get my music from the original CDs, and they are recorded at quite different levels 16.35.50 # yes, mine too 16.35.58 # specially older ones i find 16.36.01 # kraftwerk vs aphex twin 16.36.04 # Recent CDs are usually tuned to the max, since "louder is better, who cares about clipped samples" 16.39.24 # markun: replaygain didn't become obsolete in general; this is a list of which features *I* deem obsolete 16.39.30 Join cadu [0] (i=cadu___@ZL081167.ppp.dion.ne.jp) 16.39.37 # And I have no use fro replaygain... 16.39.46 # hello guys, can't do bookmarking on gigabeat 16.39.53 # simply doesn't shows stuff on bookmarking 16.41.06 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 16.42.23 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.45.07 Quit joshin (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16.45.07 NSplit pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 16.45.27 Join joshin [0] (n=joshin@unaffiliated/joshin) 16.45.28 *** Server message 505: 'logbot_ :Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. 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( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )' 16.45.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.48.34 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 16.50.28 Quit crop ("CGI:IRC") 16.50.29 # cadu: let me try 16.52.25 # cadu: I just created a bookmark, stopped playback, loaded the bookmark and continued playing 16.52.29 # what's not working for you? 16.52.42 Part DarkJesus ("Leaving") 16.52.47 # how/where did you do it ? 16.52.52 # what button or what menu ? 16.53.09 # cadu: long SELECT 16.53.15 # in the WPS 16.53.26 # then "bookmarks" 16.53.29 # i'm on the gigabeat 16.53.40 # me too 16.53.54 # Bookmarks > Create Bookmark, nothing happens 16.54.04 Join oll1 [0] (n=olle@h16n1fls34o836.telia.com) 16.54.13 # I don't know what's wrong then 16.54.21 Part oll1 16.54.36 # and can you go back? 16.55.19 # yeah 16.55.25 # did it work before? 16.55.38 # pressing SELECT or RIGHT on Create Bookmark seems to have no effect 16.55.40 # never worked 16.55.47 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A97092.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.55.58 # Are you playing from file tree or the database? 16.56.28 # i always use the database 16.56.30 Quit GodEater (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.56.36 # markun? 16.56.42 # I always use the file tree :) 16.56.50 # * amiconn thinks bookmarks are only working when playing from file tree 16.56.56 # hmmmm 16.56.58 # lemme check 16.57.07 Join himitsu_ [0] (n=himitsu@61.213.184.233) 16.57.21 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@avc146.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 16.57.23 # i always use the database coz my files are well tagged, so it's quicker to find bands/albums using it 16.57.46 # my files are well tagged too, but I also have a good directory structure 16.58.02 # me too :) it's quick too 16.58.17 # but to create a quick playlist, i find the database the best feature out there :) 16.58.34 Quit B4gder ("It is time to say MOOO") 16.58.35 # and it's already loaded to RAM, so it's quicker too ;) 16.58.47 Part raphi 16.58.48 Quit himitsu (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 16.58.51 # I have dircache on so it's quick too 16.58.56 # you can load dircache ... 16.59.13 # i know :) 16.59.28 # anyway, does it work from the file tree? 16.59.56 Join DjHalfTon [0] (n=renocivi@host-69-146-226-50.msl-mt.client.bresnan.net) 17.00.04 # whats up everyone 17.00.19 # markun: worked :) 17.00.34 # soo.. i have a quick question 17.00.48 # markun: thanks 17.00.53 # i have an alpine stereo in my car.. which works with the IPOD 17.01.02 # why it doesn't works thru database ......? :'( 17.01.28 # will it work with rockbox? 17.02.14 # DjHalfTon: what you mean, you can control iPod with your stereo or it's just connected (audio out) to your stereo and you control it using the ipod itself ? 17.02.15 # cadu: Because nobody came up with a clever way to store the databased-created playlist along with the bookmark 17.02.20 # sic ... what do you think about FS#7106? 17.02.35 # * amiconn wonders how this works for resume 17.02.39 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 17.02.52 # amiconn: a bookmark also saves the playlist it was on ?! 17.03.01 # stereo controls IPOD sorry CADU 17.03.04 # rockbox does exactly what this guy is telling us not to do :) 17.03.05 # * amiconn hopes for hardeep and/or Lear to show up and shed some light onto the issue 17.03.26 Join GodEater_ [0] (n=bryan@host-83-146-12-54.bulldogdsl.com) 17.03.31 # Actually, the talk speaks about different variations of the same option competing, not about completely different features (yes/no decisions) 17.03.37 # i can search ipod directly thru stereo 17.03.41 # load playlists 17.03.44 # see song names 17.03.50 # intgr: what? database is evil ? 17.03.54 # markun: So I think that speech in particular is not applicable in our situation 17.03.57 # cadu: Bookmarks store the exact playback state, i.e. the playlist and the position within it. Think of bookmarks as saved resume positions 17.04.14 # cadu: Huh? I was responding to markun's comment half an hour ago. 17.04.21 # oh, sorry :) 17.05.36 Quit GodEater__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.07.03 # The choice of audio formats is the only relevant one, and there are very good reasons to have that choice. 17.07.34 # DjHalfTon: No, that won't work with Rockbox. 17.11.21 Quit cadu (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.11.21 Quit SirFunk (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.11.21 Quit nls (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.11.21 Quit Rob222241 (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.11.21 Quit secleinteer (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.11.21 Quit BHSPitMonkey (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.11.21 Quit pearldiver (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.11.21 Quit hannesd_ (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.11.21 Quit idnar (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.11.21 Quit Pimpdaddypayne (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.11.21 Quit amiconn (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.11.21 Quit Av3 (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.11.21 Quit Lynx_ (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.11.21 Quit amigan (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.11.21 Quit Hadaka (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.11.33 NHeal pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 17.11.33 NJoin Av3 [0] (n=ave@dsl-tkubras1-ff50c000-183.dhcp.inet.fi) 17.11.33 NJoin idnar [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 17.11.34 NJoin Pimpdaddypayne [0] (n=Tux@cpe-065-184-162-064.ec.res.rr.com) 17.11.38 NJoin cadu [0] (i=cadu___@ZL081167.ppp.dion.ne.jp) 17.11.41 NJoin SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@admin-147-222.potsdam.edu) 17.11.56 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B14063.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.11.57 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@p54BD58C9.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.12.00 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@67.64.144.90) 17.12.01 *** Server message 505: 'logbot_ :Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. 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Can't you just pass ipodpatcher the "device" file? 17.26.07 # bluebrother: You can - I did lots of testing that way. 17.26.11 Quit Hadaka (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.26.11 Quit secleinteer (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.26.18 # Oh... how? 17.26.38 # You'll need to dump the whole disk, not just the firmware partition though... 17.26.45 # Already done. 17.27.03 # Then just use the filename instead of the device name. e.g. ipodpatcher mydump.bin 17.27.30 # "File too large" :) 17.27.44 Join secleinteer [0] (n=secleint@70.230.167.11) 17.28.05 # Ah, OK... I added large file support to sansapatcher - I should backport it to ipodpatcher... 17.28.28 # what's the difference in large file support? 17.28.30 # On the sansa, the firmware partition is at the end of the disk - so most of the time further than 4GB in... 17.28.30 # Can I just trim the end of the file? 17.28.33 # setting a flag? 17.29.11 # bluebrother: I can't remember the details, but it's trivial. 17.29.38 # aliask: If you want to wait a few minutes, I'll try adding large-file support to ipodpatcher and you can test for me... 17.29.51 Part gursikh ("Leaving") 17.29.57 # Sure 17.31.23 Join Naked [0] (i=naked@naked.iki.fi) 17.31.24 Nick Naked is now known as Hadaka (i=naked@naked.iki.fi) 17.35.24 # OT: does somebody know a command to split up a pdf file into its pages (as pdf as well)? 17.35.36 # Slasheri: accessing the hdd (like starting a song) while dircache is scanning in the background make rockbox very unresponsive on my Gigabeat. Anything we could do about it? 17.36.09 # bluebrother: pdftk 17.36.10 # bluebrother: pdf from jpgs or normal pdf ? 17.36.26 # aliask: OK, I think I'm done... Do you want a binary or a patch? 17.36.53 # bluebrother: I used it to cut some pages out of the Gigabeat manual for example. It can also do rotating and some other nice things. 17.37.13 # markun: thanks, just looking at the man page. 17.37.19 # just needed the name to look for ;-) 17.37.29 # linuxstb: patch will be fine 17.37.35 # bluebrother: http://www.pdfhacks.com/pdftk/ 17.37.39 # ok 17.38.26 # aliask: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher-largefile.diff 17.40.09 # linuxstb: Still says the file is too large. 17.41.57 # aliask: Out of curiousity, does sansapatcher give the same error? 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uys a quick questiion everytime we make a build & do make , n numerous files are created , do we need to preserve these files or delete them , cause the "make zip" gives us the build right ?, so should i presrerve these or delete 20.09.42 Join charkins [0] (n=casey@pdpc/supporter/active/charkins) 20.10.34 Quit SirFunk (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.11.24 # AceNik__: after you've moved the zip somewhere safe, do a "make clean" to get rid of those files 20.11.45 Quit Rondom ("...") 20.11.52 # cant i just delete the files 20.12.01 # If you intend to make another build later, it's recommended to keep the files 20.12.31 # 'make' is clever and only remakes those intermediate files which depend on changed source files -> faster build 20.12.44 # my source is curently patched 20.12.53 # If you delete the intermediates, they all have to be recreated in the next build 20.14.02 # so please suggest what should i do , i try to maintain 2 source copies both , but always happen to modify the source to match svn agian , can i maintain a patched version too 20.14.15 # Why does that matter? 20.14.27 # * amiconn 's sources are almost never 100% svn 20.14.44 # You can just 'svn up' no matter whether your sources are patched 20.15.11 # * amiconn only keeps a single source tree most of the time, doing all his modifications there 20.15.31 Quit Guile ("KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'") 20.15.34 # what does make clean do , does it delete files not needed int he build directory or what should i do , if i want to compile faster or build faster next tiem 20.15.45 # Just keep the files around 20.16.09 # The next 'make' will replace those which need replacing, and reuse the others 20.16.25 # oh k cool thanks 20.18.24 # If you really want to get rid of the files 'make clean' will do that 20.18.43 Quit Rick (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 20.18.51 # You can also wipe the whole build directory, but then you will have to configure again for the next build 20.18.54 # thanks 20.19.28 # ('make clean' keeps 'Makefile' and 'autoconf.h') 20.21.15 Join Rick [0] (i=rick@pool-71-119-160-247.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 20.21.31 Quit bluey- (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.22.40 # * bluebrother comes back and notices loads of misplaced spaces in this channel :o 20.22.42 # i just turned on my ipod nano, ant the whole screen is white, except for the icon, which are shown correctly 20.23.46 # and no, i don't have white text on white background 20.24.09 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.24.10 # bluebrother? 20.24.15 # yup 20.25.29 # misplaced spaces? 20.25.51 # yes -- a space in front of a comma makes text hard(er) to read ;-) 20.25.58 # Ah, those 20.26.08 # * amiconn wonders where there are lots of those 20.26.30 # A few ones, yes... 20.26.37 # ...and not mine :) 20.26.54 # no, not yours ;-) 20.26.56 # better than no commas at all... 20.27.13 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m180.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 20.27.19 # depends on ... if the commas are set wrong I vote for no commas 20.27.47 # amiconn: do you have a little time to look at my runtime scaling patch? 20.27.56 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7092 20.28.49 # I would like to know if you (and others) think that it can be included and if it would cause trouble on archos or not 20.28.54 Quit Ave (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.29.50 Join Ave [0] (n=ave@dsl-tkubras1-ff50c000-183.dhcp.inet.fi) 20.31.28 Join Gibbed [0] (i=rick@pool-71-119-160-247.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 20.31.28 Quit Rick (Nick collision from services.) 20.32.42 Join AceNik___ [0] (n=AceNik@203.145.159.41) 20.33.19 # 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* Bagder agrees 22.12.18 # * markun too 22.12.18 # also about what amiconn said earlier about features he deemed obsolete... he forgot cuesheets :) 22.15.26 # Yes. I said this list isn't complete. I also made clear that this is my personal list of unneeded features, not that these features should be removed 22.15.28 # I think we benefit a great deal by the huge variety of people and opinions that we have in the project 22.17.05 # To me, cuesheets are such an odd concept that I didn't even think of them 22.17.26 # But then, since the feature is there, I made it work on hwcodec, even though I'll never actually use it... 22.18.11 # * amiconn thinks that features should work properly on as many targets as possible if they're there 22.18.37 # same with the scrobbler log... 22.18.38 # indeed 22.18.53 # Yes, and the scrobbler log does *not* work properly 22.19.22 # that's what I meant 22.19.24 # From what I hear, it doesn't even work properly on swcodec yet, and so I made no effort to make it work properly on hwcodec either 22.19.57 # I also have no real idea how to test it, other than looking at the logfile(s) 22.20.45 # On hwcodec, most of the time simply nothing is written to the log, no matter how many tracks/albums one is listening to 22.21.25 # except once in a while it magically appears (even for a few folders) 22.21.42 # But all of a sudden it happens that a few tracks get logged, or even a few albums 22.22.02 # The condition when this happens is a mystery... 22.23.37 Quit bonbonthejon (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 22.25.09 Quit spiorf_ ("Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)") 22.25.28 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host63-214-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 22.32.29 # amiconn: "obsolete" kind of implies you used them at some point, and i suspect you've never used many of the features in that list ;) 22.32.41 Quit lukaswayne9 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.34.45 # hmm, i don't use any of those myself either 22.35.29 Join smolyn [0] (n=smolyn@blk-138-57-29.eastlink.ca) 22.35.37 Join lukaswayne9 [0] (n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 22.36.50 # and i've coded two of them, heh 22.37.10 # preglow: which ones ? 22.37.16 # eq and crossfeed 22.37.46 # ok 22.40.28 # for some reason my impression of the sound crossfeed produces (on M5) is that the higher mid frequencies get lost - could that be? 22.43.06 # hmm, not as a whole, no 22.43.21 # some (narrow) freq ranges will be somewhat attenuated due to the distance simulation 22.43.23 # To me, crossfeed just makes the sound less precise. With speakers (I know that's not the intended use) it also increases bass 22.43.27 # but that's quite natural 22.43.37 # pixelma: but anyway, you're supposed to tweak it :) 22.43.58 # That's all - I don't hear any other effect 22.44.07 # amiconn: I think it's quite logical that it increases bass 22.44.14 # indeed, but you can tweak that away 22.44.32 # preglow: what should I tweak? 22.44.52 # pixelma: not easy to say, the effect varies from person to person 22.45.15 # the higher mid freqs shouldn't _really_ be lost, it might just sound like it 22.45.34 # amiconn: tried it with recordings that will benefit from it, though? 22.45.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.45.41 # well, easier to just switch it off :P 22.45.44 # amiconn: crossfeed quite naturally narrows the stereo field down, it's the intended effect 22.45.47 # pixelma: indeed 22.45.57 # i never use it myself, unless listening to 60s/70s records 22.46.03 # which isn't often these days 22.46.16 # I could narrow the stereo field with stereo width if desired. 22.46.28 # I usually do quite the opposite though 22.46.38 # amiconn: not the same thing when you're dealing with hardpanned music 22.46.43 # Stereo width has the advantage that it doesn't reduce sound precision 22.47.06 # for you, perhaps 22.47.20 # problem with crossfeed is it depends on psychoacoustics 22.47.28 # so not very easy to discuss, heh 22.47.53 # probably 22.48.02 # maybe the reduced precision is where my impression comes from 22.48.09 # I don't have any 60s recordings as I don't like the music of that time 22.48.29 # i've got a bunch of old jethro tull records that benefit from it 22.48.30 Quit Rondom (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.48.31 # old beatles 22.48.32 # old jazz 22.48.52 # but no, not much 22.49.45 # But if you mean stuff that's panned 100% left or right - I don't see the problem with that 22.49.57 # it's irritating to listen to 22.49.58 # really 22.50.00 # All the 4 channel amiga mods do that... 22.50.10 # indeed, and they're a pain in the ass to listen to on headphones 22.50.13 # * amiconn doesn't find that irritating at all 22.50.21 # then you don't need crossfeed :) 22.50.26 # why would you use crossfeed with 60's records? 22.50.37 # Soap: because many instruments are hardpanned to one of the channels 22.50.48 # Soap: which gives a very weird stereo image with headphones 22.50.58 # ahh, for "aesthetics", not artistic intent? 22.51.33 # it's really just to make nicer sound if you don't like hard panning 22.51.45 # when you said 60's, I was just thinking about how you used to be able to buy records mastered for headphone listening, now all assume speakers. 22.51.54 # ah, did you know 22.52.01 # never encountered that 22.52.41 # you used to be able to get stereophonic and binaural pressings of some albums. 22.52.53 # ahh, yeah, binaural releases i've heard about 22.53.04 # Soap: and did you like the sound? 22.53.13 # which sound? 22.53.20 # binaural processing in rockbox might happen in the future 22.53.34 # Soap: of a binaural recording using headphones 22.54.06 # markun: yes 22.54.22 # I will send you a plaster model of my head for the modeling preglow. 22.54.34 # you could save time and just send the head 22.54.43 # * markun has a deja-vu 22.54.44 # i'll post it back to your body when finished with it 22.55.26 # now here is where I am getting confused (and reading as we speak) - I thought crossfeed was the larger part of binaural processing... 22.55.39 # kind of 22.55.51 # crossfeed is binaural processing in a way, but with really cheap filters 22.56.04 # in an ideal world, the dap would measure your heads frequency response and use that 22.56.11 # we don't do that for obvious reasons :> 22.57.58 # and hopefully we can come up with something to simulate 2 speakers in the back as well 22.59.17 # How CPU intensive will that be? 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