--- Log for 07.05.107 Server: pratchett.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 5 days and 9 hours ago 00.03.16 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 00.07.55 # I'm interested in trying to fix that on the H10 you have to click the select button and not the play button for yes. Anyone have an idea were to start? 00.12.14 # it's in the keymaps IIRC 00.12.46 # apps/keymaps/keymap-h10.c 00.12.53 # what does IIRC stand for? 00.12.58 # i see now 00.13.06 # but just curious I see it around lots 00.13.15 # if i recall correctly 00.13.21 # H10_007quick: Do you want to change the keymap, or change the text displayed? 00.13.34 # well 00.13.41 # which would you suggest? 00.13.52 # prably the key map to stay consitent 00.14.04 # So that all the targets use play 00.14.40 Quit Rincewind (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.14.51 # i think select feels right though... 00.15.20 # true 00.15.28 # so then the wording needs to change 00.16.31 # were would i change the wording? 00.16.34 # * bluebrother points to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acronyms_and_initialisms 00.16.56 Quit lids (Remote closed the connection) 00.17.36 # bluebrother: thx 00.18.52 Join lids [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-425f8f035aa214dc) 00.19.02 # I see lots of functions but not any actuall wording in gui/yesno.,c 00.19.36 # H10_007quick: i think its in the language files.. 00.19.44 # You're talking about when you delete a file or something? I thought it did say next... 00.19.59 # let me check 00.20.10 # Says next on mine 00.20.18 # I've got a question: can you save the background you make in rockbox on an ipod? 00.21.11 # Says "play" on mine 00.21.21 # that's... odd... 00.22.14 # Do you have a 20 GB or 5/6 GB? 00.22.34 # i think its a missing entry in the lang file.. 00.22.52 # 5 00.23.12 # Hm, because I have a 20GB... so maybe it's just wrong on the 5/6 GB...? 00.23.39 # hmm... hold on a second... let me make sure it's not any of my patches... 00.23.40 Join hcs [0] (n=hcs@ool-4352471e.dyn.optonline.net) 00.24.20 Quit hcs (Client Quit) 00.24.22 # found it 00.24.34 # h10: "NEXT = Yes" 00.24.53 # H10_007quick: Look for LANG_CONFIRM_WITH_PLAY_RECORDER in apps/lang/english.lang - maybe change h10: to h10,h10_5gb. I'm not sure what the label for the 5GB will be... 00.25.04 # the 5/6 GB is referred to as h10_5gb 00.25.12 # What file did you find that in? 00.25.33 # apps/lang/english.lang 00.26.23 # it looks like there are a few places in that file where that needs to be done 00.27.12 # maybe a find h10:, replace with h10,h10_5gb: is in order? 00.27.23 # Well, I will try to do it unless one of you wants to? 00.27.25 # That's the problem though, there's just no language string 00.27.26 Join juxtap [0] (n=juxtap@vc-196-207-45-253.3g.vodacom.co.za) 00.27.40 # will post a patch if I have suces 00.27.52 Part juxtap 00.28.19 Join Jeton [0] (n=chatzill@85.30.90.74) 00.28.39 # yes, please 00.29.08 # Could someone please look into this http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/plugins/viewer.c?r1=13335&r2=13336 00.29.20 # it has to do with scrolling text on sansa with the scrollwheel 00.29.26 # but 00.29.33 # the sensitivity isn't correct 00.29.45 Join Viljar [0] (i=Gspier@ip60.cab27.trt.starman.ee) 00.29.59 # Hello.. 00.29.59 # can you save backgrounds you set on rockbox? 00.30.00 # instead of one scroll per line, you need to 3 or more scrolls per line. 00.30.57 # webguest78: Do you mean keep the same backdrop after you reboot? 00.31.04 # webguest78: What do you mean? As far as I know, you can only set a background if you have the file... 00.31.44 Quit idnar (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00.32.15 # i mean, can you save, so that you have the same background after you reboot 00.32.30 # webguest78: How do you normally reboot? 00.32.40 # anyone? 00.32.52 # by pressing menu and select 00.33.08 # webguest78: You should shut Rockbox down cleanly - a long press on PLAY/PAUSE. 00.33.27 # oooh didnt know that, ill try ty 00.33.59 Join idnar [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 00.34.13 # hm it didn't save 00.34.33 Join gh0st [0] (n=ghost@80-219-208-114.dclient.hispeed.ch) 00.34.57 # barrywardell_: the problem is that the generic wording gets used because the H10 5/6gb is not specified 00.35.05 # hello, is anyone willing to help me with dual booting an iaudio X5? 00.35.26 # webguest78: Where is your backdrop stored? Is it in .rockbox/backdrops/ ? 00.35.40 # H10_007quick: does it not work to just change every instance of h10 to h10,h10_5gb? 00.35.56 # it says that the varialbe is found in the root make file 00.36.02 # where is this? 00.36.05 # not really, because I can't browse there from filebrowser somehow 00.36.17 # does rockbox have a serial port interface ? 00.36.24 Join juxtap [0] (n=juxtap@vc-196-207-45-253.3g.vodacom.co.za) 00.36.30 # # The target names used for target-specific strings are set in the ARCHOS 00.36.30 # # variable in the root Makefile 00.36.55 # It's located in /mnt, if I'm not mistaken 00.36.56 # it's in the tools/configure script 00.37.03 Part juxtap 00.37.04 # ah 00.37.07 # the variable is h10_5gb 00.37.09 # so it would be 00.37.12 # ya 00.37.18 # so 00.37.24 Quit Jeton ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 00.37.36 # h10_5gb needs to be added to the descriptions? 00.37.56 Join juxtap [0] (n=juxtap@vc-196-207-45-253.3g.vodacom.co.za) 00.37.58 # webguest78: In the file browser, hold MENU until the "quick menu" comes up, then press PLAY to change the "show files" option to "all". 00.38.12 # webguest78: You may also want to read the manual... 00.38.51 # there are no definitions for the h10_5gb 00.39.09 # but would it not be easier to just tell it to use the same as the h10 variale? 00.39.35 # Sorry, i won't bother you anymore and thank you very much 00.39.36 # yes, you can do that by just adding in ,h10_5gb after h10 00.39.54 # oh i see 00.40.01 # ok will try that out 00.40.13 # thanks for the help 00.40.29 Quit H10_007quick ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030916]") 00.40.59 # does rockbox have a serial port interface ? 00.41.01 Join D0ug [0] (i=Doug@bas2-kingston08-1167930710.dsl.bell.ca) 00.41.01 # HellDragon: Are you asking if Rockbox has a serial port driver? If so, which device? 00.41.09 # yeah driver 00.41.13 # ipod 5G 00.41.23 # No. 00.41.25 # :( 00.42.23 Part D0ug ("Leaving") 00.43.29 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 00.46.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.46.50 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 00.47.09 Part webguest78 00.53.23 Join himitsu [0] (n=himitsu@61.213.184.129) 00.54.42 Join RogerBacon_ [0] (n=Rogerbac@bas3-sherbrooke40-1177838941.dsl.bell.ca) 00.56.21 Quit San ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 00.56.36 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 00.56.46 # story about the iriver e10 with some Rockbox propaganda in the comments :) 00.56.48 # http://osnews.com/story.php/17860/Review-The-OGG-Compatible-iRiver-E10 00.57.21 Join Rincewind^moep [0] (n=xchatter@i3ED6EAF0.versanet.de) 00.58.39 Join H10_007quick [0] (n=chatzill@mnet-ki-244-78-181.monarch.net) 00.58.44 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 00.59.01 # i love it when they have a player that plays OGG and they make such a big deal about it =) 00.59.22 Quit bluebrother ("Leaving") 01.00.07 # scorche: maybe we should post some stories about every DAP we support 01.00.23 # "old Toshiba player plays OGG!" 01.00.37 # hehe 01.01.08 Join digerati1338 [0] (n=Mike@70-59-30-108.hlrn.qwest.net) 01.03.24 Quit RogerBacon_ () 01.05.38 # barrywardell_: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7123 there it is 01.06.24 # tried it out on mine and it works great though I was thinking it should be "select = yes" not "next = yes" right? 01.06.42 # heh: Well in DAP land people try Rockbox (www.rockbox.org) - [...] .. some ipods, toshibas, irivers, iaudios, some sandas 01.06.44 # seems to me that that button is a select button not a next button? 01.07.38 # should i change that too? or no? 01.07.52 Join Hilikus [0] (n=rockero@bas4-montreal19-1242419325.dsl.bell.ca) 01.07.54 # I'm not sure 01.08.04 # what does the manual refer to it as? 01.08.08 # I will leave it at that for now 01.08.12 # good thinking, 01.08.14 # I will look 01.08.22 # I think we made a decision on what it would be called and the result went in to the manual 01.09.01 Join Thundercloud__ [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.38.140) 01.09.04 # "select: 01.09.16 # http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h10_5gb/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-190003 01.09.22 # the picture 01.09.50 # Yeah, according to the manual, next makes it sound like the fast-forward button 01.09.51 # same for the 20gb 01.09.55 Join BRi7Xtra [0] (n=BRi7X@c-68-81-211-193.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 01.09.58 # exactly 01.10.15 # should i change it to "select" 01.10.24 # I gues it would make sense 01.10.27 # I would say so 01.10.44 # Well, I gotta go... see ya 01.10.51 Quit TrueJournals () 01.11.30 Quit donutman25 ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 01.11.47 # barrywardell_: what do you think? "select" or "next" 01.12.05 Join borg [0] (i=dce@unaffiliated/borg) 01.12.12 Part borg 01.12.13 # yes, i think select 01.12.20 # k 01.12.21 # to make it consistent with the manual 01.12.25 # I will do it now 01.15.32 # done 01.18.22 Quit btdubs ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 01.19.08 # Ifter I run "svn update" do I have to re-apply patches or will they still be included? 01.19.42 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 01.19.47 Quit Rincewind_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.20.06 Quit gh0st ("Verlassend") 01.20.22 # they will still be included but might not work if there were changes to the patched file 01.20.39 # thnx 01.21.24 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 01.21.28 # barrywardell_: does the rolo thing work with the H10? because when I click on a .mi4 file I always get : "chechsome error" 01.22.30 # not right now 01.22.38 # it won't be too hard to fix 01.22.41 Quit lexinc (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.22.43 # should somthing be added to the manual? 01.22.46 # when I get around to it 01.23.11 # should I make a patch to include a note that it doesn't work right now? 01.24.33 # I think we would be better to get it working 01.24.47 # I have a patch on my other computer that has it almost working again 01.25.04 # I'll have a look at it again in the next couple of days 01.25.09 # ok 01.27.59 # oh this is a difficult decision still... i'm seeing many very mixed reviews for the gigabeat f and iaudio x5... still can't make up my mind 01.28.54 # H10_007quick: are you hepdog on flyspray? 01.29.00 # ya 01.29.14 # why? 01.29.28 # im looking at 7123, wouldnt it be beter to change h10 to h10* instead of affing h10_5gb? 01.29.42 # BRi7Xtra: mixed review of the gigabeat f with rockbox? 01.29.46 # or without? 01.29.49 # hmm i see your point 01.29.53 # and if you want it commited put your full name in a comment.. (unless your in the credits already) 01.29.58 Join Gnea [0] (i=gnea@static-64-115-76-34.isp.broadviewnet.net) 01.29.59 # wouldnt h10* also include the h100 ? 01.30.04 # its after h100 so it should be fine 01.30.06 # yes it would 01.30.07 # I think... 01.30.09 Join hig [0] (n=hig@pD9E430D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 01.30.14 # it is after 01.30.25 # or would it need to be before to work? 01.30.34 # hmm 01.30.55 # well h10_5gb works good enough I think 01.30.57 # i think it would be better to just leave it as h10,h10_5gb 01.31.02 # same 01.31.08 # easier to understand too 01.31.19 # well, i've heard the gigabeat f firmware reallllllly sucks (like ipod, but won't matter after rockbox)... i've heard that the controls for both are awful after a while (although i feel the same way for the ipod)... i've heard the iaudio x5 is durable compared to the gigabeat f, although the screen size may get to me after a while... so again it comes down to recording vs. screen... i don't know what to do 01.31.31 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 01.31.41 # thinking of letting someone decide for me... 01.32.02 # JdGordon: there's a bug in the menus that appeared somewhen after april 27th (so maybe...): no menu items scroll anymore (all menus including context menus), browsers still work 01.32.11 # BRi7Xtra: Buy a Gigabeat :) 01.32.16 # name added 01.32.24 # gigabeat f? 01.32.30 # F40 01.32.51 # the prophet has spoken.. i guess i'll get that then 01.32.59 # markun: what's your main reason though? 01.33.01 # pixelma: can you put it on FS and assing it to me so i dont forget? Ill try to look tonight but dont know if ill have a chance 01.33.10 Quit Thundercloud_ (Connection timed out) 01.33.14 # BRi7Xtra: it's my baby because I started the rockbox port :) 01.33.24 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.36.208) 01.33.34 # JdGordon: I guess amiconn will complain later today either way :P 01.33.41 Quit Thundercloud__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.33.42 # and I use mine every day and am very happy with it 01.33.57 # haha :) 01.34.16 # you guys started noticing it on the archos did you? 01.35.13 # yeah, very noticeable on teh Player... (I don't have one...) ;) 01.35.38 # markun: well then, i guess i'll get the gigabeat 01.35.38 # but it's there on the other targets as well 01.35.41 Join Dark_Apostrophe [0] (n=darkapos@supporter/monthlybyte/DarkApostrophe) 01.35.56 # Hello. Does Rockbox support this MP3 player? 01.35.58 # http://www.pixmania.com/no/no/318257/art/archos/mp3-spiller-gmini-xs202s.html?srcid=1911 01.36.11 # BRi7Xtra: I hope you will not be mad at me when you get it :) 01.36.18 # I'm trying to find a 20gb one that isn't Apple, on which Rockbox will run... it's turning out to be surprisingly difficult. 01.36.42 Quit deweycooter ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 01.36.46 # nothing wrong with ipods if your going to rockbox it anyway... 01.36.46 # ah, Dark_Apostrophe, markun told me to get the gigabeat f 01.37.07 # well i've broken a few ipods already, that's why 01.37.27 # Yeah, I've heard they suck 01.37.31 # Then there's the DRM issue 01.37.34 # Dark_apostrophe: there is a player by iriver called the H10, Comes in either 20gb or 5gb 01.37.35 # And the Crapple issue 01.37.38 # Dark_Apostrophe: most of the players supported are no longer available 01.37.45 # H10_007quick: Ooh... sounds nice 01.37.51 # it is 01.37.51 # Dark_Apostrophe: DRM issue with what? 01.37.55 # i have a 5gb 01.38.01 Quit barrywardell_ () 01.38.07 # there is also.. a Gigabeat F20 :) 01.38.14 # not as big of a screen as the ipods but hey 01.38.25 # and it comes with a big screen :) 01.39.13 # markun: Give money to apple = fund DRM 01.39.30 # Holy spork, the H10 is very expensive 01.39.34 # Dark_Apostrophe: but you get a DAP in return 01.39.37 # Twice the price of my Zen Touch 01.39.50 # well, all of those players support drm, so you're funding a different drm i guess no matter what 01.39.50 # markun: Not worth it. 01.40.05 # Dark_Apostrophe: you can have a Gigabeat F40 for about $100 on ebay 01.40.12 # markun: It's just like paying more for a computer, so long as you know the money doesn't go to Microsoft 01.40.20 # markun: It's a principle thing, not an economy thing 01.40.32 # markun: is porting rockbox to a player very difficult? 01.40.47 # I neither want a Microsoft tax, nor do I want to fund Apple's DRM. 01.41.01 # BRi7Xtra: depends on many factors, it took us a bit more than 1 year 01.41.01 Quit JdGordon (Remote closed the connection) 01.41.35 # markun: Aren't Toshiba's players almost identical with Microsoft's zunes? 01.41.53 Quit slarti (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.41.56 # their Gigabeat S is the loose basis for the Zune 01.41.56 # Dark_Apostrophe: the Gigabeat S and V are very similar to the Zune 01.42.00 # the F is not 01.42.28 # Good.. I wouldn't want anyone mistaking a piece of my property for a MS product. 01.42.53 # There is no support for Creative players, right? 01.43.15 # no 01.43.27 # not yet(?) 01.44.05 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 01.44.42 # Dark_Apostrophe: make sure you don't buy a player which supports WMA with DRM, because I'm sure some money you pay will go to MS 01.44.43 # in the vast computer world, one thing is certain: damned if you do, damned if you don't 01.45.00 # Dark_Apostrophe: Or even plain WMA... 01.45.09 # Dark_Apostrophe: (which is anything that says PlaysForSure) 01.45.12 # how do I make patches for the manual? 01.45.20 # any recommendations? 01.45.30 # says "not a working copy" when I svn diff 01.45.54 # Dark_Apostrophe: it's pretty much impossible these days 01.46.07 # maybe some chinese player who don't care about licenses 01.46.09 # make sure the copy you are working on is the same one that is current svn 01.46.36 Part Domonoky 01.46.49 # doesn't work 01.47.05 Join Br3nda [0] (n=brenda@leibniz.catalyst.net.nz) 01.47.47 # oh crap i have to restart this computer again (the one i was talking to you guys on earlier doesn't work anymore, totally broken now)... i'll be back in a few minutes 01.47.52 # markun: Anything I can do then? 01.48.33 Quit BRi7Xtra ("be right back... charging my lasers.") 01.48.47 # Dark_Apostrophe: try to forget what happens to you money and just buy a nice player :) 01.49.30 # I can't! 01.49.39 # Meh... I'll just keep my Zen until it breaks. 01.49.41 # this is probably rather far, but is it possible to have Rockbox execute a list of commands directly on a DAP? (sansa actually) 01.49.52 # Dark_Apostrophe: it doesn't play WMA? 01.50.09 # I don't know... Could care less, really 01.50.13 # Probably 01.50.16 # Or support DRM? 01.50.20 # No idea 01.50.21 Quit borisyeltsin (Remote closed the connection) 01.50.23 # I bought it ages ago 01.50.28 # Before I cared about those things 01.50.29 Join borisyeltsin [0] (n=chris@68.147.49.126) 01.52.37 # linuxstb_: do you have a X5? 01.53.03 # linuxstb_: AAAAAAAA! I just misread your nickname as linuxstd 01.53.12 # (Sexually transmittable disease) 01.53.21 # wow, that's different 01.53.40 # markun: No, I've never seen one. 01.53.50 # Dark_Apostrophe: Have you read this page? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide 01.54.16 # No 01.54.48 # linuxstb_, I guess you'd know the answer to this...is it possible to have a Sansa (or any DAP really) 'execute' commands such as creating and renaming directories? 01.54.52 # markun: what's up with X5? 01.55.31 # moos: BRi7Xtra wanted to know how it compares to the Gigabeat because he doesn't know which one to buy 01.55.41 Join BRi7Xtra [0] (n=BRi7X@c-68-81-211-193.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 01.55.56 # chrisjs169: I don't understand the question. 01.56.04 # moos: depend and why you want one DAP, no? :) 01.56.33 # talking to yourself?? :) 01.56.50 # moos: he likes recording, but also likes a nice screen 01.57.10 # imho, X5 is still one of the best rockbox target for now, the little disadvantage is the subpack/cradle dependence 01.57.18 # markun: There's also the h300 01.57.21 # hehe, he have to buy both then ;) 01.57.31 # yup or h3xx indeed 01.57.38 # moos: would you recommend the gigabeat f over the iaudio x5? 01.57.50 # Looks like the iAudio X5L is the only option for me 01.57.50 # moos: what's better about the x5 compared to the h300? 01.57.55 # But it's ugly, and expensive 01.57.58 # :( 01.58.07 # depending on what do you prefer, exemple if radio and recording are really needed 01.58.08 # Dark_Apostrophe: just use your Zen man :) 01.58.19 # I will... 01.58.24 # the gigabeat is cheaper indeed 01.58.24 # I'll use it till it dies. 01.58.25 # moos: that's not possible with the h300? 01.58.31 # si si 01.58.49 # better screen with radio and recording 01.58.57 # and usb OTG 01.59.12 # but the X5 is smaller 01.59.28 # just a pocket format ;) 01.59.32 Quit obo ("bye") 01.59.36 # linuxstb_: if there were several files or directories that needed to be created on the Sansa, would it be possible to do it through a script (much like a bash script on Linux, using mv and mkdir) 02.00.16 # chrisjs169: Why not just use a bash script on Linux, using mv and mkdir? 02.01.23 # linuxstb_: I guess that'd work, I just wasn't sure if there was a way to do it right on the DAP 02.02.16 # You mean write a script to be executed by Rockbox? 02.02.34 # moos: markun seems to prefer the gigabeat f... recording would be nice, but not necessary... hmm i wonder if there's a recording application for my DS (by the way, rockbox for nintendo ds would be superrrrr) 02.03.01 Quit robin0800 (" Want to be different? HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 02.03.02 # then go for a gigabeat 02.03.42 Part pixelma 02.05.19 # BRi7Xtra: for now, I personnaly use X5 for my daily use, but that pure taste question 02.05.39 # Does anyone know where the code for the rockbox file browser is located? 02.05.50 # BRi7Xtra: hm, we're not making it easy for you :) 02.06.12 # I'm trying out how to generate a list of selectable files and execute an action when one is picked. 02.06.23 # Dark_Apostrophe: apps/filetree.c I think 02.07.25 # digerati1338: that was for you 02.07.30 # looks like that's it 02.07.49 # i figured 02.08.39 # good night people 02.08.51 # markun: Huh? 02.09.06 # markun: bonne nuit 02.09.43 # hmm... 02.10.04 # moos: any specific reason why? 02.10.38 # Dark_Apostrophe: read the next line :) 02.10.39 # you mean comparing to my gigabeat? 02.10.46 # yes 02.10.51 # Dark_Apostrophe: was just the stupid auto completion 02.11.36 # Ok 02.14.42 # i'll be right back, dinner. we'll discuss more afterwards.. moos, hold that thought. 02.14.59 Join btdub [0] (i=89a5d881@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-0d1e4121ac850ca2) 02.15.00 # BRi7Xtra: 1) I use my X5 since 1 year and something (at start of rockbox support for it), 2)the DAP is smaller, 3)I need radio for news, sports...., 4)60 GB versus 40 etc... 02.15.28 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.175.72) 02.16.41 # BRi7Xtra: 2h15 am here, then I will probably be sleeping when you'll back ;) (for logs) 02.18.16 Join Rincewind_ [0] (n=xchatter@i3ED6E5D0.versanet.de) 02.19.39 Quit Rincewind_ (Client Quit) 02.19.54 Quit petur ("here today, gone tomorrow") 02.20.00 Join btdubs [0] (i=89a5d881@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-08100f36ef527667) 02.20.11 # What does the |= operator do? 02.20.38 # x |= y is equivent to x = x | y 02.20.44 # | is a bitwise OR. 02.23.52 Quit btdub ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 02.26.47 Part digerati1338 02.28.28 # moos: i'm back, if you're still here 02.29.11 # hehe, quick dinner :-) 02.29.24 # yep :) 02.30.01 # what do you want to know? 02.31.40 # well, i guess i just want somebody to make a decision for me... whether it be the iaudio x5 or the gigabeat f... i'm having a very difficult time deciding.. earlier i compared it to which version of pokemon to buy, but a lot harder 02.32.09 # at end that will be you that will buy, not us 02.32.52 # hmm 02.32.54 # both daps have good and bad points, and the most important, both support rockbox 02.33.14 # then if you don't care about radio/recording just go for a gigabeat 02.33.27 # if no, go for an x5 or iriver h3xx 02.33.32 # i think i'll flip a coin... best out of 7 02.33.44 # well wait wait wait, what's a h3xx like? 02.35.56 # does either of the ones i've mentioned support usb charging? 02.36.08 # they do 02.36.24 Quit Thundercloud_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.36.27 Quit blithe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.37.00 # look here for all supported models: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart 02.37.10 # with all specifications 02.37.17 # thank you 02.37.18 # Bri7Xtra: I don't think you'll be disappointed with either the X5 or gigabeat - they're both well-regarded. 02.37.24 # * chrisjs169 is back 02.37.42 # linuxstb_: yeah, a script executed by Rockbox 02.38.11 Join webguest60 [0] (i=c7004102@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5b0163deb1c0e988) 02.38.35 Join digerati1338 [0] (n=Mike@70-59-30-108.hlrn.qwest.net) 02.38.38 # chrisjs: Check your ABI branch thread... a couple of comments you might be interested in. 02.39.49 # webguest60: I know, looking at them now 02.40.03 # That's me. ;-) 02.41.16 # good night or whatever all 02.41.24 Quit moos ("Glory to Rockbox") 02.42.07 Join blithe [0] (n=blithe@dsl081-139-202.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 02.43.24 Quit Rincewind^moep (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.46.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.47.32 Join daurn [0] (i=daurn@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 02.50.28 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp137-117.adsl.forthnet.gr) 02.51.38 Join mrk [0] (n=mrk@adsl-69-153-135-218.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 02.51.38 Quit webguest60 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.51.44 # Hm. 02.51.46 # Sooooooo. 02.51.51 # Most is well with rockbox... 02.51.52 # but! 02.51.57 # the two themes I downloaded.. 02.52.07 # the now-playing screens look *nothing* like they look online 02.52.10 # hey any idea what this is in a wps 02.52.33 # mrk: are the fonts the same? 02.52.36 # mrk: then they likely contain an error 02.52.42 # mrk: you might need a patched build. and please, if you could keep it to one concise line instead of six short split-up messages. 02.52.42 # both of them? 02.52.47 # and it loads the default WPS instead 02.52.49 # %CfFFFFFF%s%al 02.52.54 # will do. 02.53.13 # scorche: sounds like a possibility. if I select, pixel, for example... 02.53.18 # let me take a picture for you. 02.53.19 # Hilikus: the FFFFFF kind of looks like the html color code for black... hrmm 02.53.52 # yes but i dont know, it actually appears in the screen 02.54.05 # i think im missing a patch but i dont know which one 02.54.16 # i know %C is the cover art tag 02.54.23 # * scorche goes and gets lunch 02.58.25 Quit daurnimator (Connection timed out) 02.58.37 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/WpsGigabeatF?rev=1;filename=pixelbeta8.png 02.58.51 # that's what the theme is supposed to look like. mine looks like this: 02.59.01 # http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/9886/rockboxpixel001fv9.jpg 03.03.04 # mrk: Your screenshot just shows the default Rockbox theme. Which means Rockbox has rejected the .wps file as invalid. 03.03.31 # ah. 03.04.04 # well, I'm using... something catcher right now; one that came on the player 03.04.10 # so, any idea why it would be rejected? 03.07.25 # what is the difference between char and char*? 03.09.36 Join Topy44 [0] (n=Topy44@xdsl-81-173-184-53.netcologne.de) 03.15.21 # digerati1338: char is a character whereas char* is a pointer to a char variable 03.16.13 # mrk: WPS files are rejected when they have syntax erros 03.16.17 # errors* 03.21.13 Join Hammer89 [0] (n=soc_inte@host-24-149-166-187.patmedia.net) 03.21.42 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 03.21.45 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 03.27.45 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 03.28.09 Quit Topy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.28.30 Quit Gursikh (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03.29.37 # why would it have a syntax error, though? 03.29.58 # I unzipped the folders to the gigabeat, just as the instuctions (and everybody here) had told me to 03.30.14 Join Topy [0] (n=Topy44@xdsl-81-173-148-20.netcologne.de) 03.30.41 Join hige [0] (n=hig@pd9e42da6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 03.34.41 # mrk: most likely its an older wps and needs to be updated to work with current code. 03.34.53 # ah. 03.34.57 # so both are old... 03.35.01 # tried Pixel and BeatMP 03.35.07 # so I'll just grab some other ones and try 03.35.28 # It shouldn't be too hard to fix the code. WPSs are relatively simple. 03.35.40 # Many WPSs have at least one problem. 03.35.58 # there is work afoot to confont this enemy and challenge him head on. 03.36.05 # mrk: for BeatMP I think the problem is the album art tags 03.36.22 Quit Weiss (Connection reset by peer) 03.39.00 # mrk: in pixel it'll be a problem too... maybe not the only one though 03.39.09 # I'm going to try Sta... 03.39.16 # it's pretty :P 03.39.31 # that one works fine I think 03.39.42 # a friend of mine uses it, and he's had no problems... 03.39.44 # that I know of 03.40.05 # you'll need to update the clock tag though 03.40.19 # hm? 03.40.51 # just replace "%c- k:M -c" by "%c- %ck:%cM -" 03.40.59 # in the .wps file 03.41.06 Quit Topy44 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.41.28 Quit hig (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.42.46 Quit bonbonthejon (Remote closed the connection) 03.45.14 # since linuxstb_ seems to be idle, I guess I'll ask again...is it possible to have a script executed by Rockbox? 03.45.57 # chrisjs169: What kind of script? 03.46.05 # chrisjs169: I don't think so... what sort of script would that be ? 03.47.34 # aliask/Nico_P: mostly just 'simple' stuff such as moving folders or renaming them 03.47.51 # you mean a shell script ? 03.48.11 Join earHertz [0] (n=chatzill@65.244.175.100) 03.48.16 Quit entheh ("^~") 03.48.23 # /msg NickServ IDENTIFY kmckee 03.48.23 # chrisjs169: Scripts as such aren't possible, but you could make a plugin which would do what you wanted (probably) 03.48.29 # ahaha. 03.48.33 # lol 03.48.35 # k 03.48.35 # poor guy :P 03.48.41 # I would do it... 03.48.41 # erm 03.48.46 # but I don't want to ruin my welcome :P 03.49.22 Quit earHertz (Nick collision from services.) 03.49.32 # (was that too mean? =P 03.49.34 # earHertz: you may want to do /msg nickserv set password [newpass] 03.49.56 Join earHertz_ [0] (n=chatzill@65.244.175.100) 03.50.08 Nick earHertz_ is now known as earHertz (n=chatzill@65.244.175.100) 03.50.11 # earHertz_: sorry...i had to =P 03.50.19 Quit earHertz (Nick collision from services.) 03.50.31 # Haha, poor guy. 03.50.37 # :( 03.50.48 Join earHertz_ [0] (n=chatzill@65.244.175.100) 03.51.02 Nick earHertz_ is now known as earHertz (n=chatzill@65.244.175.100) 03.51.03 # aliask: I've never made a plugin before...how exactly would I go about doing this? 03.51.07 Join Joely [0] (n=joel@68.249.189.81) 03.51.36 # chrisjs169: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoWritePlugins 03.51.39 # chrisjs169: You need to know how to compile rockbox from source, for starters 03.52.41 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 04.00.04 Join hig [0] (n=hig@pD9E42457.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 04.00.19 Join gursikh [0] (n=khalsa@unaffiliated/gursikh) 04.00.28 Quit hige (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 04.03.43 Nick gursikh is now known as Khalsa (n=khalsa@unaffiliated/gursikh) 04.04.46 # hey, I'm just wanting some input on whether to make a codec or plugin for a {DAC,ADC} <-> infrared module..i know it works, i've tested it. i just need to make it more configureable at runtime. or maybe i need both? what i'm trying to do is have it be configured to a very large database of IR devices, and have a menu driven way of `pressing all the buttons!' 04.05.29 # i thought it would be fun to have my sansa be a universal remote.. :) 04.06.15 # Joely: you mean you have the actual code ? 04.06.43 # Joely: That sort of thing sounds far more suited to be in a plugin. 04.07.12 # Codecs are used in rockbox for playing back or recording audio. 04.07.21 # really? i just didn't want to have to generate a database and download that to my sansa....of the sound files 04.07.30 Nick Khalsa is now known as Gursikh (n=khalsa@unaffiliated/gursikh) 04.07.39 # and the ir data _is_ a sound file ;) 04.07.42 # Oh I see. 04.07.57 # So you would have a folder full of "sound files" which output infrared. 04.09.07 # i really didn't want that though...what i wanted is something like a compact text database that renders itself to sound files as it's parsed 04.09.30 # that way i wouldn't have to take up so much space 04.09.51 # I think a plugin would be better for this 04.10.09 # I still think that a plugin would be more suited. Does the sansa have a built in IR transmitter or are you connecting one via the headphone port? 04.10.25 # connecting one via the headphone jack 04.10.58 # So you're not really losing anything by not being able to play audio while the IR codec is loaded. 04.11.00 # sounds fun 04.11.00 # i'm actually splitting it...so you can switch rapidly between ir and sound 04.11.33 Part TrueJournals 04.11.33 # outputting audio data from a plugin isn't too hard I think 04.11.46 # As long as it's PCM data 04.12.14 # you going to sell these IR transmitters? 04.12.28 # (by the way this project sounds damn cool) 04.12.33 # aye 04.12.34 # well it should be quite easy to have some sort of PCM <-> text command table 04.12.35 # Nico_P, really? i just wanted an _easy_ way that would be thread safe and allow you to play audio too 04.13.03 # I don't see how you can play audio at the same time 04.13.05 # Soap, well...i was hoping you guys at rockbox might be willing to take over selling these things for money ;) 04.13.11 # you rapidly switch 04.13.20 # you just split the signal 04.13.24 # well you would just quit the plugin and resume playback 04.13.29 # ah 04.13.45 # the wiki awaits your component list. 04.13.54 # that could be harder 04.14.25 # you'd need to speak to someone who knows rockbox better for that :) 04.14.50 # Is the audio buffer locked from inside a plugin unless you stop it? If not you could just try inserting samples directly into the PCM buffer. (Probably not a very friendly method) 04.15.36 # Yes, I think it'd be best to wait for the Europeans to wake up, I really don't know much about this sort of thing. 04.16.59 # i actually started this because i got a tivo... 04.17.02 # with no remote 04.17.03 # >< 04.18.03 # I'd love this if I watched TV at all. Or had any IR devices. 04.18.24 # me too, i'm just making it for my brother at college, haha 04.21.09 # * Nico_P is europeean :) 04.21.38 # You're up very early. Or very late. 04.21.44 # but I don't know much about the PCM buffer and I think I should be going to bed 04.21.59 # very late :) 04.22.30 Join Topy44 [0] (n=Topy44@xdsl-81-173-152-2.netcologne.de) 04.22.53 Quit Nico_P (""off to bed, bye"") 04.23.08 # Joely: do you know this : http://www.codeproject.com/netcf/PocketBeamer.asp 04.23.40 # hmmm 04.24.21 # what resolution should I use for album art on here? 04.24.24 # oh yeah, i saw that a few times, but it's discontinued, plus it's in c# :-P 04.24.27 # gigabeat f, that is 04.25.14 # Joely: the idea is how they use the 2 channel to pass the frequency 04.25.51 # Joely: building the interface must be easy 04.25.58 # but i found an even cooler project, http://controlremote.sourceforge.net/ to use as the database 04.26.06 # yes it is 04.27.08 # however, mine has four.... 04.28.25 # it uses a splitter from radio shack, two infrared leds, and two photodetectors, so it will be able to transfer data... (i stole the optical parts from two pdas! hehe) 04.29.21 # http://www.avagotech.com/assets/downloadDocument.do?id=2314 04.29.23 # those 04.30.03 # ok 04.30.35 # but it'll have to switch quite rapidly to do i/o 04.32.43 # check the site I gave you, it fix the problem of speed combining the 2 channels 04.34.18 # Joely: check this on the page " How can an audio signal turn into a 40Khz carrier signal" 04.34.42 # right, i meant `switching' being from DAC to ADC 04.34.44 # so toffe82: you recommend the gigabeat f as well, right? 04.35.04 # BRi7Xtra: yes 04.35.53 # Joely: dac to adc ? you want to receive too ? 04.40.05 Quit Topy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.41.16 # BRi7Xtra: perhaps I am not the good person to answer as I don't know the othre player , but it is sure that the gigabeat is actually one of the more powerful dap 04.42.06 # toffe82, yup...on some players you might be able to do it.. 04.43.12 # the gigabeat can do it, via the signal of the remote control which is connected to an adc 04.46.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.48.45 # Joely: I didn't read all the log, you want to use the remote at the same time you are listening music ? 04.49.43 # well i realize it would drop down in quality...and they're not _really_ at the same time...just like one bit per cycle per side 04.50.54 # i haven't tried hacking away that much at audio codec ics to know what they're capable of.. 04.50.57 # Joely: why not just stop the music the time you send the control ? sending a code is less than 1second ? 04.51.32 # yeah, true...but, there's one thing, idea number 2 that i started coding 04.51.36 # or because you are thinking about people who are using a remote like a gamepad ;) 04.52.52 Quit borisyeltsin (Remote closed the connection) 04.53.01 Join borisyeltsin [0] (n=chris@68.147.49.126) 04.53.19 # that idea would be...using my tivo that i'm putting my own software on, to provide thumbnails of each channel as you scroll through, and then there would be a transmission to the audio device 04.53.43 # okay i'm going to order a gigabeat f. does anybody oppose? anybody want to change my mind? 04.53.57 # BRi7Xtra: no ;) 04.54.38 # alright, gigabeat f it is! 04.55.43 # BRi7Xtra: check on ebay, the max price for new in box with shipping in the us should be150$ 04.55.47 # wow, that's a pretty sweet jukebox! i just looked it up 04.56.03 # new on ebay? 04.56.08 # yes 04.56.09 # i'm on newegg at the moment 04.56.22 # how come the 20GB one is more expensive than the 40GB one? 04.56.28 # could you direct link me to one so i don't screw it up 04.56.31 Part Hammer89 04.56.38 # ther was a promo 3 weeks ago at 99$ at office depot and now they are on ebay :) 04.57.35 # on ebay all i see is cases and a 10GB model 04.57.39 # i'd prefer a 30 or 40 04.57.46 # http://item.express.ebay.com/__Apple-iPods-MP3-Players_New-Sealed-Toshiba-Gigabeat-MEG-F40S-40GB-MP3-Player_W0QQitemZ150119504172QQihZ005QQptdnZAppleQ20iPodsQ20Q26Q20MP3Q20PlayersQQptdiZ254QQcmdZExpressItem 04.58.01 # this one is 99 + 30 fro shipping new in box 04.58.54 # this one http://item.express.ebay.com/__Apple-iPods-MP3-Players_Toshiba-gigabeat-MEG-F40S-40-GB-Color-MP3-Player_W0QQitemZ200106776038QQihZ010QQptdnZAppleQ20iPodsQ20Q26Q20MP3Q20PlayersQQptdiZ254QQcmdZExpressItem 04.58.57 # how long does it take to ship? 04.59.01 # a little more expensive 04.59.08 # what's the difference? 04.59.24 # not the same seller 04.59.48 # shipping depend on how they ship it and what option they give you 05.00.28 # in the us if it is ups ground, maximum 7 days, depend where you leave from the seller 05.00.49 # http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-gigabeatf/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-600004.4.3 05.00.54 # http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-gigabeatf/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-600004.4.3 05.00.58 # er. 05.01.02 # how the hell do I get there? 05.01.09 # the instructions don't say anything about that 05.01.40 # so you recommend ebay over newegg? thanks by the way 05.02.15 # I just want it to be organized as Artist (alphabetical) - Album (Release date) - Track (track number) 05.02.19 # is that impossible? 05.02.21 # BRi7Xtra: how much is it on newegg ? 05.02.30 # I just want all of my albums on one playlist like that 05.02.57 # 215 05.03.03 # for the 40 05.03.07 # and 250 for the 20 05.03.11 # which i don't understand at all 05.05.38 # what the hell? 05.05.48 # this is the most counterintuitive thing I've ever used in my life 05.05.51 # and I've used windows me 05.05.58 # what mrk? 05.06.21 # mrk: if you want all your album in a playlist, just create a playlist in playlist->createplaylist, it will creat a file root.m3u8, just play this file after 05.06.44 Quit gtkspert (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.07.26 # if not you have to use the database 05.07.52 # toffe82: could you find me a protective case for it? and do you think i should sell my broken ipod on ebay for some techie who likes fixing things? 05.07.56 # if you want more control 05.09.44 # BRi7Xtra: you can sell it on ebay or there : http://www.rapidrepair.com/ ,it seems that they buy everything ipod 05.09.53 Quit Gursikh (Remote closed the connection) 05.10.14 # for WPS can you define how far a line of text should scroll? 05.10.35 Quit SirFunk (Remote closed the connection) 05.10.38 # BRi7Xtra: for the case this one perhaps http://www.zcover.com/zCover_index_Gigabeat.htm 05.10.58 # http://item.express.ebay.com/__Apple-iPod-MP3-Player-Accessories_Leather-Skin-Case-Toshiba-Gigabeat-F-Screen-Protector-F_W0QQitemZ280102891782QQihZ018QQptdnZAppleQ20iPodQ20Q26Q20MP3Q20PlayerQ20AccessoriesQQptdiZ332QQcmdZExpressItem 05.10.59 # how's that 05.11.26 # or the end point of it? 05.11.55 # BRi7Xtra: why not ;) 05.14.36 # H10_007quick: sorry don't know and it seems that there is nobody around to answer you 05.15.05 # just wait or try tomorrow ;) 05.15.38 # really? 05.16.17 # I'm getting it... 05.16.22 # and I am using the database <_< 05.16.30 # my directory structure is nice 05.16.35 # the naming of the files, not so much 05.16.40 # but I'm going to have to redo that anyway 05.16.44 # maybe tonight 05.16.50 # shouldn't be hard. 05.17.04 # right now, I just played the first album 05.17.18 # and then went to database, artist, album, long select, playlist, insert last 05.17.24 # goes pretty quickly. 05.17.30 # also, HELLO, MY JEW-FRIEND. 05.17.43 # hey where can i find info about static const struct wps_tag all_tags[] 05.22.38 # mrk: seriously...use one line 05.23.09 # why are you only getting on me for it? 05.23.54 # because 05.23.54 # i 05.23.56 # dont 05.23.56 # see 05.23.57 # anyone 05.23.59 # else 05.24.00 # doingit 05.24.05 # annoying, eh? 05.24.18 # 215 05.24.18 # for the 40 05.24.18 # and 250 for the 20 05.24.18 DBUG Enqueued KICK mrk 05.24.18 # which i don't understand at all 05.24.23 # not the same seller 05.24.23 # shipping depend on how they ship it and what option they give you 05.24.23 # in the us if it is ups ground, maximum 7 days, depend where you leave from the seller 05.24.54 # I'm not quoting anymore, but maybe you need to look harder. 05.25.47 # how do you know i havent PMed them about it or talked to them before?....point is, worry about yourself and what you are doing is against teh rules here 05.26.39 # http://youtube.com/watch?v=FPxY8lpYAUM 05.27.00 Quit joa (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 05.27.01 # and why did you link that? 05.27.11 Join joa [0] (n=joe@user-514dbafc.l2.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk) 05.27.23 # oh, no particular reason at all. 05.27.49 # well, that is quite off-topic....read the guidelines...you will get no more warnings 05.28.22 # well, it wasn't really off-topic in context, but sure thing. 05.28.38 # it doesnt pertain to rockbox at all, so yes it is off-topic 05.29.35 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@c-71-205-145-105.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 05.31.09 Quit earHertz (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.31.24 # scorche: Can one define the start and end point of text in a WPS? 05.31.45 Quit aliask (Remote closed the connection) 05.33.04 # i am not really a WPS guy 05.34.18 # oh ok 05.44.20 Quit borisyeltsin (Remote closed the connection) 05.44.28 # mrk: those prices were on newegg 05.45.43 # also, my gigabeat f has been ordered 05.46.05 Join perkins [0] (n=al_omsk@195.162.60.242) 05.46.55 # Mine seems to be working fine, for the most part. Learning curve is a bit tricky, but not too bad once you're used to it. I just need album art right now, and I'd be pretty good. 05.47.00 # yu 05.47.03 # I'm looking around on how to use it. 05.48.48 # is the anybody here 05.48.56 # Yes, people are here. 05.50.13 # is there a built in way to change the color in the wps text? 05.50.37 # try opening the file with notepad and seeing if there's anything there for you to mess with? 05.50.52 # Hilikus: foreground color 05.51.08 Part perkins 05.51.09 # how do i change that from the wps file? 05.51.12 # whats the tag 05.51.36 # to change foreground color edit the .cfg file in the themes folder. 05.51.47 # oh but i mean just for 1 line 05.51.48 # package it with your wps. 05.51.55 # oh idk about that 05.51.57 # not for the whole thing 05.52.03 # you cant do it for one line 05.52.06 # there is a wiki page with all of the wps commands. 05.52.14 # i didnt think you could either 05.52.22 # mmmmm 05.52.23 # the only way is to make it an image 05.52.35 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3045 05.52.37 # is it worthed to write a patch for that? 05.52.47 # all those patches are reeeeally old 05.52.48 # is that all we've got in the way of album art support? 05.52.58 # then you can do whatever color you want either in the background image (permanent) or by using the %xl and &xd commands 05.53.10 # mrk: yes 05.53.26 # Album art support is basically waiting for the Bmp resize patch 05.53.28 # what do you mean make it an image 05.53.35 # mk. I should get to work on making that, well, work, then. 05.53.38 # put your text in an image 05.53.46 # would you conisder that difficult in the slightest? 05.53.49 # if you want a single line of different text 05.53.50 # whats wrong with the bmp resize patch? 05.53.59 # its out of sync i believe 05.54.07 # i used it 05.54.13 # it was, i manually changed it 05.54.14 # or maybe it was being reworked 05.54.27 # but my build is so tweaked i cant make a patch out of it 05.54.49 # but the changes were all pretty simple 05.57.03 # oh, boy. 05.57.09 # hm? 05.57.16 # patching doesn't look like it's a subject to be taken lightly at all. blast. 05.57.34 # its not that complicated if you're used to linux 05.57.46 # but if you're new to the whole thing it is a bit overwhelming 05.57.51 # just find a compiled version for your dap 05.58.13 # mrk: it is really only 3 commands or so once you have the environment set up 05.58.15 # most of the precompiled builds are pretty good 05.58.22 # yep 05.58.30 # get cygwin running 05.58.38 # the whole environment setup doesn't look too fun, then :P 05.58.39 # or vmware or colinux 05.58.48 # its not fun 05.58.51 # then its just patch -p0 < patchname.patch 05.59.06 # and i recommend real linux over all those emulators 05.59.09 # I'm not /completely/ new to linux. I might as well be, though. I have a lot of friends who use it full-time, though, so I *may* be able to ask for their help. 05.59.16 # yep 05.59.26 # in the case of vmware, you simply download vmware and the image, and install vmware, open the image..not hard at all 05.59.28 # real linux rox 05.59.37 # but again, if you are not into it, just find a precompiled version 05.59.45 # those "emulators" are real linux.. 05.59.46 # gaaaaaaah. Annoying, just to view album are. whatever, though. I'll get on it eventually. 05.59.52 # cygwin isnt, but vmware and colinux are 05.59.57 # and it might actually be easier to install ubuntu than trying to get cygwin to work right 06.00.04 # true 06.00.04 # precompiled? that sounds like I'd like it :P 06.00.15 # I have an ubuntu livecd :P 06.00.22 # digerati1338: then dont use cygwin and use something else.. 06.00.50 # heh, if all you're going to use is patch...you could try the ported win32 gnu utils... http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/UnxUtils.zip 06.01.22 # im only using cygwin cuz this is my dad's computer and he won't let me repartition his harddisk. Im running slackware on my other box. 06.01.23 # all I want is album art based on one image in each album-folder in the simplest way possible <_< 06.01.27 # whats the point of patching and not compiling 06.01.37 Quit Alonea (Connection timed out) 06.01.45 # mrk what dap do you use 06.01.48 # digerati1338: neither vmware or colinux require partitioning either.. 06.01.52 # gigabeat f. 06.01.57 # mrk: any build with the album art patch will do that. 06.02.08 # just ask someone to compile it for you 06.02.14 # save the art as cover.bmp in the albums folder 06.02.26 # yeah, I know what to do with the actual album art. 06.02.38 # 100x100, cover.bmp, one per album-folder. 06.02.59 # I just dunno how the process of patching the dap to make album art work works. 06.03.05 # that's for a later time, though. 06.03.15 # it's relatively late, and I've school tomorrow, so I'm out. 06.03.21 # if mine compiled i would compile one for you but im trying to get color lines so it screw up the whole code 06.03.52 # Hilikus, hehe well i thought for sure he had gcc through something like bloodshed or w/e that suite is called.. 06.04.02 # he/she* 06.04.19 # i better get going as well. I've got exams tomorrow. 06.04.39 Quit digerati1338 ("going to sleep") 06.06.19 # mrk, sorry, i wasn't really paying attention....do you want me to compile something for you? 06.06.33 # nah, you don't have to do anything for me. 06.06.37 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 06.06.38 # thanks for the offer, though. quite generous. 06.06.43 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 06.06.48 # man, I need some aspirin. my head is *killing* me. 06.08.54 Join energia`gotmilk- [0] (n=volcom_j@modemcable138.24-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) 06.09.31 # Hey I installed rockbox on my sansa e200 and my computer doesnt recognize it anymore when I plug it in 06.12.28 # Can I get any help please 06.12.44 # It depends. Do you have any milk for me? 06.13.07 # funny... 06.13.38 # Apologies. I'm a newb, so I really can't help you, and am just wasting both of our time as we sit here. 06.14.22 # well, are you in rockbox mode or the orig firmware? 06.16.04 # Rockbox 06.16.09 Quit mrk ("I HAVE GO") 06.16.15 # ROckbox loads automaticly 06.16.22 # I just want to uninstall it 06.16.43 # But when I plug it in winodws says it doesnt recognize the device anymore 06.16.45 # oh, well if you want to uninstall it... hold down << 06.16.49 # while booting 06.17.32 # ahhhh 06.17.37 # thank u so much 06.17.41 # np 06.17.41 # I was kinda freaking out 06.17.42 # lol 06.18.24 # you didn't like rockbox on it? 06.18.26 # :-P 06.18.41 # Well I thought itd be graphicly nice... 06.18.47 # there are themes 06.18.55 # I know but only the colors change 06.19.55 # http://www.rockbox-themes.org/data/176x220x16/aZure_V2.png 06.19.57 # you sure? 06.20.33 # Rofl mine sure didnt look like that 06.20.47 # yes, because it had the default 06.20.52 # you have to load .wps files 06.20.56 # I tryed all the theme on the player that came with rockbox 06.21.11 # there are a lot of themes that are waiting to be fixed at the moment 06.21.24 # when there is an error with one, it defaults back tot eh default 06.21.39 # oki 06.22.06 # well now that I know How to come back to sansa firmware I guess I could give it a shot 06.22.31 # haha :-D 06.22.40 # just reboot 06.22.45 # and don't hold down anything 06.22.53 # And is it normal that the player didnt seem to read my sd card ? 06.23.02 # right now there isn't sd support 06.23.06 # oki 06.23.40 # I guess someone is working on it if u say "right now.." 06.25.33 # hrm, i really don't know...i don't have an sd card to test 06.26.30 # oki 06.27.24 # well Il drop by rockbox.org from times to times to see if its been fixed! :P Thanxz a lot for ur help Joely 06.27.30 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 06.27.42 # yup, once again, no problem! 06.27.47 Part energia`gotmilk- 06.34.16 # poke, Soap. 06.39.40 Join gursikh [0] (n=khalsa@unaffiliated/gursikh) 06.46.47 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.53.51 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 06.53.57 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 07.07.51 Quit kkurbjun (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.10.06 Quit btdubs ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 07.10.32 Join btdubs [0] (i=89a5d881@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-fbad09d91d30dd20) 07.15.58 Quit H10_007quick ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030916]") 07.23.02 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 07.23.30 # daurn: you therE? 07.23.35 # ha 07.23.39 # JUST turned monitor on 07.23.47 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@dhcp101.contactor.se) 07.23.49 # hey 07.23.54 # and i see the screen scroll 07.24.00 # and speakers beep 07.28.02 Quit btdubs ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 07.28.32 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 07.29.13 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 07.30.44 Join webguest97 [0] (i=186e1ca2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7e463bb5ad1ce279) 07.31.33 # hello 07.31.50 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 07.31.50 # hey webguest97 07.32.25 # Can anyone help me with an issue I have with my F40 07.33.08 # just ask your question, silly ;) 07.33.48 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84.255.206.8) 07.34.25 # I am having issues with my Gigabeat F40 and the Cabbie theme 07.34.54 # webguest97: what kind of problem ? 07.36.38 # My screen freezes on the cabbie theme , only black at startup. 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The annoyance factor varies with font size and lcd resolution of course 08.26.39 Part juxtap 08.38.36 Join combrains [0] (n=malcolm@125-237-185-101.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) 08.39.34 # hi all 08.40.29 # ive been out of the loop for a little while and I have just compiled the latest svn 08.40.56 # i did a make fullzip and it didnt include the rockbox.gigabeat file 08.41.06 # (in the zip that is) 08.41.13 # It most probably did 08.41.31 # amiconn: JdGordon says that pixelma told him this morning 08.41.37 # rockbox. now resides in .rockbox 08.41.48 Quit himitsu (Remote closed the connection) 08.42.22 # You might need to update your bootloader 08.42.43 # amiconn: yes i know that but what suprised me was that it put fwimg01.dat into the zip rather than rockbox.gigabeat 08.43.08 # Oh? Hmm, then I don't know... 08.43.15 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 08.43.15 # * amiconn has no gigabeat 08.43.25 # but i still need both files atm? 08.45.31 Join himitsu [0] (n=himitsu@61.213.184.129) 08.46.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.53.34 Quit jhulst (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.57.12 Join B4gder [0] (n=daniel@static-213-115-255-230.sme.bredbandsbolaget.se) 08.59.40 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54b16d5c.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.02.39 Quit btdubs ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 09.06.49 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4cc1769d641dfca4) 09.08.12 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 09.09.29 Quit darkless (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.09.35 Join n17ikh [0] (n=n17ikh@c-76-23-114-46.hsd1.sc.comcast.net) 09.12.08 Join mbr [0] (n=mbr@p3EE06AD2.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.15.47 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 09.20.40 # ok this is wierd 09.22.02 # I did a 'make veryclean' then the whole configure/make thing (for a normal build) and then a 'make fullzip' and I get a file called fwimg01.dat in the .rockbox folder indide the zip 09.22.16 # should this not be called rockbox.gigabeat 09.22.31 # or has somthing changed that I don't know about 09.27.14 # isn't that a boot loader build? 09.27.31 Quit n17ikh|Lappy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.28.39 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 09.29.51 # i believe so but i only built the normal part - not the bootloader itself - or is this done automatically now? 09.30.01 # nope 09.31.33 # never mind - I think I found the culprit 09.32.44 # seems konqueror is displaying a file called fwimg01.dat when I view the zip but if I look at the zip in archiver, I see a file called rockbox.gogabeat - which is the one I want to see 09.33.00 # grrr 09.33.02 # ! 09.34.10 # something to do with konqueror's cache ith ink coz I just hit F5 and it sorted itself out :) 09.37.34 Quit combrains (Remote closed the connection) 09.47.07 Part maffe 09.49.39 Join br3nda|mobile [0] (n=brenda@121-73-1-165.cable.telstraclear.net) 09.51.24 Quit Br3nda (Nick collision from services.) 09.51.32 Nick br3nda|mobile is now known as Br3nda (n=brenda@121-73-1-165.cable.telstraclear.net) 09.51.47 # amiconn: fixed 09.52.14 # Committed revision 13337. <- l337 :D 09.52.28 # * scorche slaps JdGordon 09.52.49 # rofl 09.54.52 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 09.58.05 # now that is a mighty strange red 10.01.20 Join Redbreva [0] (n=chatzill@host86-136-89-48.range86-136.btcentralplus.com) 10.03.41 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 10.05.26 Quit lids (Remote closed the connection) 10.07.04 Join lids [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-72fbbd7339446a22) 10.13.40 Quit gursikh ("Leaving") 10.15.44 Quit z35 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 10.24.28 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007040314]") 10.25.21 Join combrains [0] (n=malcolm@125-237-185-101.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) 10.26.01 # quick question about the flashy new custom icon feature 10.26.34 # why will rockbox not change th icons when i select the apprpriate theme 10.26.48 # because the .bmp doesnt exist? 10.27.16 # i downloaded and installed the full icon zip from the extras page 10.27.21 # so it should work 10.30.32 # are we calling the power button power or menu in the lang file for the sansa? 10.33.32 # on the behalf of our new advertisement policy, that button is now called the McDonalds button 10.33.59 # haha ok 10.34.05 # * JdGordon updates manual accordingly 10.34.16 # seems to be power in the manual... so power it is 10.40.48 Join bluebrother [0] (i=TzLHadCD@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 10.42.56 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-70-113-91-140.austin.res.rr.com) 10.43.48 # B4gder: Maybe a disk quota problem again? 10.44.04 # could be, yes 10.44.12 # hmm... seems I made the menus worse :( 10.45.05 Quit darkless (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.46.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.49.44 # B4gder: is there anyway to do a commit but not get it to rebuild? or shhuold I just put the 2 sort-of-unrelated changs i the one commit? 10.49.48 Join Entasis [0] (i=Jarred@ppp162-29.lns11.adl2.internode.on.net) 10.50.00 # no and no ;-) 10.50.21 # ok, 2 commits coming right up 10.56.39 Join ctaf [0] (n=ctaf@ram94-6-82-242-23-70.fbx.proxad.net) 10.56.51 Part ctaf 10.57.16 Quit combrains (Remote closed the connection) 11.01.29 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host191-214-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 11.01.47 Join Solfrost [0] (n=Solfrost@82.196.211.247) 11.07.01 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjorn@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 11.07.46 # heh 11.12.31 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 11.26.16 Quit Redbreva ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 11.31.49 Quit GodEater_ ("Leaving") 11.47.57 Quit desowin (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.04.38 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@avc146.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 12.05.52 Join entheh [0] (n=purr@88-106-153-202.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 12.09.28 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 12.09.33 Quit maffe (Remote closed the connection) 12.09.54 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 12.17.44 Join moos [0] (i=moos@m135.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 12.20.53 Part maffe 12.29.25 Join DataGhost [0] (n=dataghos@ip3e832ea5.speed.planet.nl) 12.32.22 Quit pearldiver (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 12.32.31 Join otih [0] (n=otih@p54A4F9A1.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.33.49 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-202-175.student.uu.se) 12.38.28 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 12.39.15 # jhMikeS: Around? 12.40.48 Quit [Sur`DataGho (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.41.22 Quit DataGhost (Nick collision from services.) 12.41.25 Join [Sur`DataGho [0] (i=dataghos@ip3e832ea5.speed.planet.nl) 12.45.28 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 12.45.50 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 12.46.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.48.13 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 12.54.39 Quit JdGordon (Remote closed the connection) 12.55.57 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 12.56.51 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@p549ACC0D.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.00.52 Join davina_ [0] (n=dave@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 13.01.07 Quit joa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.01.27 Join joa [0] (n=joe@user-514dbafc.l2.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk) 13.01.28 Quit ccitt_ ("Lost terminal") 13.03.01 Nick davina_ is now known as OoO (n=dave@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 13.03.29 Nick OoO is now known as davina (n=dave@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 13.12.50 Quit BRi7Xtra (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 13.12.51 # * B4gder finds the 09 f9 story hilarous 13.13.11 # 09 f9? wtf... your missing the other 14 pairs.. 13.13.21 # :-) 13.13.24 # we cant get sued if your missing them 13.13.37 # s/we/you 13.14.30 # * linuxstb watches the conversation fly over his head 13.14.40 # linuxstb: nice cleanup! 13.14.52 # linuxstb: the HD-DVD "crack" 13.15.07 # http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/005229.php 13.17.06 # B4gder: Yay, my server is working properly :D 13.17.23 # yes it does 13.19.08 # just not the fastest network 13.19.18 # "Copied rbclient@home.nuclearscripting.com:build-ipodnano/rockbox.zip in 44 seconds, 41073 bytes/second" 13.19.32 # the X5 doesn't have a special ipod connector on it's dock, does it? 13.19.42 # JdGordon: would you be near MSY soon? 13.19.43 # markun: no 13.19.57 # probably a typo: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10346.0 13.20.02 # daurn: can be 13.20.11 # it has power, mini-usb, line in and line out 13.20.25 # JdGordon: you can buy another microSD card if you want, I need one too 13.20.38 # pay you back next time i see you 13.21.00 # markun: most likely yes 13.21.02 # im broke... so na :) 13.21.05 # only $18 :P 13.21.37 # your screen is real smudgy 13.23.15 # JdGordon: you have backups of all the music? 13.23.26 # yeah 13.23.28 # course 13.23.34 # just checkin 13.24.12 Quit Br3nda (Remote closed the connection) 13.24.40 # any ideas how to recursivly copy a folder, not copying .wvc files? (in windows) 13.25.53 # rsync 13.26.57 # foobar seems to do it ;) 13.27.46 # * daurn yells wtf 13.27.58 # your h300 just reset itself a few times for no particular reason 13.29.00 Join Davo_Dinkum [0] (n=david@c58-107-223-218.sunsh4.vic.optusnet.com.au) 13.29.03 # Hi people 13.29.09 # damn, battery low 13.29.13 # hi Davo_Dinkum 13.30.16 Join RaRe` [0] (n=Laffin_B@202-89-187-101.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) 13.30.25 Quit RaRe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.30.33 # daurn: unless you left it on the whole time batt cant be low.. its been charging for the last week 13.31.02 # tried to copy some *good* music onto it, and it shutdown with "battery low" 13.31.35 # hmmm 13.31.39 # did it with charger also in 13.32.35 # whenever I turn it ON, i get battery flat now 13.32.54 # you didnt plug a charger with the wrong polarity in did you? 13.33.10 # ... no 13.33.29 # Maybe the battery doesn't hold charge anymore 13.33.37 # who the hell has centre negative plugs 13.33.49 # daurn: Weirdos, that's who 13.34.43 # daurn: can you boot into OF? (hold rec while on) 13.34.48 # hold rec+on 13.35.13 # low battery 13.35.47 # hmm.. turn it on, then when that low batt screen coms on plug in ac 13.35.55 # uh.... AC IS in 13.36.12 # and connected to the wall? 13.36.28 # wtf do you think i am 13.36.44 # it may have fallen out :p 13.36.54 # hmmm 13.36.57 # took out remote 13.36.59 # it botted 13.38.46 # So can Rockbox completely replace the apple firmware? 13.38.58 # apart from usb it can 13.39.43 Quit lids (Remote closed the connection) 13.39.46 # Ah, so I would still need the apple firmware to actually put songs on the ipod? 13.40.28 # yeah 13.40.32 # no... 13.40.41 # yeah... but you can do it in explorer.. not itunes 13.40.56 # I'm not using windows 13.41.19 # then your fine... the ipd coms up as a usb disk 13.41.27 # Mass storage device? 13.41.30 # ye 13.41.41 # Jolly good 13.44.13 # Davo_Dinkum: You need to either select "enable use as disk" option in itunes or just uninstall itunes 13.44.34 # I don't use itunes either 13.44.43 # I'm running gNewSense 13.44.48 # www.gnewsense.org 13.47.28 Join lids [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-b23dfd8b21e17246) 13.47.39 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host232-215-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 13.47.40 Quit otih ("leaving") 13.54.11 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 13.54.24 Join relaxed [0] (n=relaxed@unaffiliated/relaxed) 13.57.55 Join davina_ [0] (n=dave@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 13.58.10 Join otih [0] (n=otih@p54a4e505.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.58.41 Join Toni1 [0] (i=d9b94064@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d189a0eb14f624d4) 13.59.55 # linuxstb: I still think, that the cop is doing nothing on the sansa, except waking up and going to slepp once a second 14.02.17 Join hige [0] (n=hig@pD9E420BA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.02.25 # toni1: yep, that's pretty much it. I was investigating not even having a COP main thread at all. 14.02.40 Quit hig (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 14.04.04 Join Toni2 [0] (i=d9b95ea7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b6247955cc65b018) 14.05.09 Quit Toni1 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 14.05.23 # jhMikeS: I checked with my emu, and found that beside some core_lock() and core_unlock() nothing was running on the cop 14.06.11 # mpegplayer uses it, that's it right now 14.06.39 # I just checked the mpegplayer, and the stack usage remains at 4% 14.07.03 # mpegplayer adds it's own thread 14.07.29 # Ah, ok, that explains it. :) 14.08.58 Join Soap_ [0] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 14.09.10 Part Llorean 14.09.44 Quit Soap (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.10.33 # jhMikeS: What about the as3514 registers, which are not set currently 0x17-0x1d? 14.11.05 Join snike_[D] [0] (n=comp@82.207.70.186) 14.11.52 # Toni2: can you get you emulator to fake an sd card and see what the OF does differently? 14.12.55 # I think this should be possible, if the switch is known, which defines 'sd inserted' 14.13.17 # yeah its a single bit.. 14.13.28 # which one? 14.14.02 # finding it... unless someone bats me 14.14.06 # :-) 14.15.08 # toni2: if the IRQs dying out could be fixed on 5020 the COP can have plenty to do :) 14.15.50 # Toni2: the as3514 registers should be set, but I'm reading out reg 0x15 and 0x00 sometimes and 0x38 others, but it should always be 0x00 after reset 14.16.48 # ok, I tried both: setting to zero and setting to 0x38 ... without success 14.18.07 # and registers 0x17-0x1c were mainly set to 5 by some magics 14.18.11 Join pearldiver [0] (n=say@cpe-72-225-231-80.nyc.res.rr.com) 14.18.12 # did you do a dump to see if it gets read back randomly like that? I dumped in the shadow reg init loop 14.18.34 # they're not valid registers 14.19.13 Join Jeton [0] (n=chatzill@85.30.81.181) 14.19.30 # yes, I periodically read the content in the debug screen. Ok, so they are invalid. 14.19.39 Quit desowin ("use linux") 14.20.34 # Toni2: I know its on B4gder's site somwhere but cant find it now :( 14.20.35 Quit smolyn ("KVIrc 3.2.5 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/") 14.21.23 # Hopefully someone with the 'full' specs has this audio problem. :-) 14.21.36 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@avc146.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 14.21.51 # you mean sandisk employees? ;-) 14.21.52 # Toni2: I even moved the device reset to rtc_init which is the first code that talks to it, and nothing changed with the randomness :\ 14.21.58 # JdGordon: Ok, I can search myself. 14.22.13 Quit Domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.24.24 # I will report, if I get the emu results on sd card insertion. 14.24.37 # awesome, thanks 14.24.43 # JdGordon: Thanks for accepting http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7087 14.24.52 # bye 14.24.54 Part Toni2 14.25.07 # Jeton: :) 14.25.17 # I've tested it, it works. But it needs some calibration. 14.25.21 # Does Rockbox support resuming from the exact same position where it was before shutting down? 14.25.30 # Like One scroll per line. 14.25.33 # intgr: it tries its best 14.25.46 # Jeton: it should only scroll one line per click 14.26.09 # I've tried it. It doesn't. 14.26.26 # does it scroll more than one line in the menus/browsers ? 14.26.52 # nope, the menu/browser scrolling is fine. It's the same as in the original firmware. 14.27.07 # thats odd.. it shuold all work the same... 14.27.20 # * JdGordon checking if i have a ncie long txt on my sansa 14.27.22 # and... maybe i'm wrong here 14.27.48 # but isn't it supposed to be: scrolling on the right side would scroll the text down. 14.27.58 # now you need to scroll to the left to scroll it down. 14.28.20 # works as expected here... 14.28.28 # Also, when clicking the REC button, automatic scrollin should stop/start ? 14.28.31 Quit desowin (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14.28.39 # yes 14.28.42 # because i click it , but it doesn't start. 14.28.53 # i'm gonna try it now, just to make sure. 14.28.58 # will report in a minute or so. 14.30.05 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@avc146.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 14.30.35 # * JdGordon gone... ill reads the logs 14.31.29 # the mazezam game saves 1 level back: it's a wanted behaviour? 14.31.30 # * jhMikeS still needs an H10 check to see if he can work things out on other PP5020 based devices :\ 14.32.33 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 14.33.22 # JdGordon: It works! with the latest build. Probably i messed up things yesterday because of the server downtime. 14.33.28 # Sorry for the confusion. 14.35.09 # Can anyone (Bagder?) explain why adding #include "codecs.h" to plugin.h would cause these build errors? http://www.pastebin.ca/475393 14.38.26 # no I can't... but I suggest running only the preprocessor and checking the output manually to see if you understand it better 14.39.24 # How would I do that? 14.39.41 # use make V=1, copy the command line, use -E instead of -c 14.39.54 # OK, thanks. 14.39.55 # and possibly change the output file name as well 14.44.38 # _ctype_ seems to be converted to rb->_ctype_ somewhere... 14.46.12 # ./firmware/include/ctype.h:#define _ctype_ (rb->_ctype_) 14.46.29 # Just found it... 14.46.42 # Are 64GB CF cards out yet? 14.46.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.50.06 Quit himitsu (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.53.37 Quit Davo_Dinkum ("leaving") 14.56.00 # Imagine a RAID array of those! 14.56.07 # :) 14.56.53 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54964e4b.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.57.41 Join gursikh [0] (n=khalsa@unaffiliated/gursikh) 14.58.50 Quit lids (Remote closed the connection) 14.59.05 # RAID-Z 14.59.51 Join lids [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-db8011b8aaf0210c) 15.00.30 # Has anyone ever heard of flash memory devices failing, though? 15.01.20 # no, they'll live forever! 15.01.26 # :-P 15.02.33 # Well, they will eventually leak their charge, but people rarely keep the same data unchanged for 10+ years. 15.03.08 # But I meant unexpected failures. 15.03.13 # I've heard several people suffer from bad storage 15.03.27 # with usb "sticks" 15.03.42 # Ah, brand-name ones too? 15.04.32 # yes 15.04.37 # whatever brands mean 15.04.48 # I mean, there are probably not that many difference flash makers 15.04.56 # True. 15.05.21 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484A7B9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.06.40 # B4gder: By the way, do you have any thoughts on porting Rockbox to a 24-bit DSP architecture? 15.06.58 # Does Rockbox currently run on any "true" DSPs? 15.06.59 # 24bit how? 15.07.11 # nope 15.07.13 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MotorolaDSP56k 15.07.56 # does rockbox itself have to run on the dsp? i thought it was a dual-core arm+dsp solution 15.07.59 # So I figure that it will be a PITA? :) 15.08.14 # well, the lack of compiler will be the first pita I guess 15.08.14 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.175.72) 15.08.26 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 15.08.47 # B4gder: There are lots of compilers, just none that have hit the version 1.0 milestone. ;) 15.09.02 # O dpm 15.09.06 # sorry 15.09.12 # I don't think 24 bits is gonna be a problem 15.09.21 # Oh? 15.09.43 # LinusN: Well, as far as I can tell, there is only one controller core on the SoC, which is the DSP. 15.09.46 Quit lids (Remote closed the connection) 15.09.50 # ouch 15.09.50 # that seems to be a 24 bit addressing limitation 15.10.07 # B4gder: Nope, the smallest addressable unit is 24 bits. 15.10.23 # The address space is lower 16 bits of pointers. 15.10.32 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.175.72) 15.10.58 # what does that mean? 15.11.25 # That it can address up to 2^16 24-bit words. 15.11.38 # But not individual bytes. 15.12.06 # but that's more like 16bit addressing to me 15.12.18 # Yeah, 16-bit addressing for 24-bit words. 15.12.29 # that's not what freescale.com says 15.12.36 # "24 bit addressing" 15.12.51 # but I guess that doesn't matter too much at this point ;-) 15.13.08 # :) 15.13.32 # Freescale doesn't support the old 560xx series anyway. 15.13.42 # So perhaps it's a difference between the newer revisions. 15.14.44 # http://juffo.org/stuff/DSP56004.pdf 15.17.13 Quit Jeton (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.18.17 Join lids [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-011e4988d91c559b) 15.20.54 # Anyway, I contacted the person behind the MobiBLU port, and he hasn't given up yet. 15.21.36 # intgr: How much RAM do these devices have? 15.24.35 # Hold on. 15.25.05 # intgr: There was an incomplete port to a DSP target once - the Archos gmini 1xx and SP 15.25.24 # Those targets are CalmRISC16 based 15.25.25 # amiconn: Oh, any ideas where I can dig up the source? 15.25.37 # Ah 15.26.32 # the biggest problems with that port was 1) 16bits 2) Harvard arch 15.26.39 # The source was cut from cvs as the port was stalled for nearly 2 years (the only developer disappeared (we know why) and no one else picked up the port) 15.27.03 # Yeah, this one is Hardvard as well. 15.27.20 # that's a pain for plugins and loadable codecs 15.27.39 # Plugins are possible with harvard arch - provided there is code RAM 15.27.49 # true 15.28.05 # But the gmini only had data RAM, code was ROM only 15.28.17 Quit davina_ (Remote closed the connection) 15.28.23 # Now, according to a spec I could find, the STMP3410 has 96k-words of RAM. 15.28.38 # (well, flash rom, otherwise a port would have been completely impossible) 15.28.42 # Which contradicts what I said about 16-bit addresses earlier. 15.28.55 # hehe 15.29.41 # So 288 kilo-octets, which is quite a lot I suppose. 15.30.04 # linuxstb: Nice green delta line :) 15.30.47 # It only has 8 kwords of ROM on the die, so there's just barely space for a bootloader. 15.31.11 # 8kwords should be enough for a primary bootloader 15.31.33 Part LinusN 15.31.34 # And the MP3 player I have has a 128MB flash chip. 15.31.50 Join davina [0] (n=dave@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 15.33.14 # amiconn: Shame it's only swcodec though... 15.33.41 # (for now...) 15.33.59 Join ctaf [0] (n=ctaf@ram94-6-82-242-23-70.fbx.proxad.net) 15.34.11 Part ctaf 15.36.59 Join juxtap [0] (n=juxtap@vc-196-207-45-253.3g.vodacom.co.za) 15.43.17 # "the only developer disappeared (we know why)" 15.43.24 # amiconn: Why? 15.44.29 # Legal problems? 15.45.36 # no, economical 15.45.57 # and I guess the feeling of loneliness he must have felt didn't help 15.46.05 # Ah, okay. 15.46.37 # But speaking of legalese, have there been any legal threats to any of the developers? 15.46.47 # yes 15.46.56 # but only due to various plugins etc 15.46.56 # from the Tetris company 15.46.59 Quit Solfrost (Client Quit) 15.47.04 # and popcap 15.47.06 # and because of Jewels 15.47.10 # and AT&T voices 15.47.15 # (?) 15.47.33 Join Jeton [0] (n=chatzill@85.30.81.235) 15.47.39 # But not for reverse engineering? 15.47.42 # did anyone ever manage to get a response from at&t about that? 15.47.46 # intgr: nope 15.47.50 # Zagor: nope 15.47.53 # Ok, good. 15.48.01 # intgr: reverse engineering is not illegal 15.48.08 # I'm not too worried about being able to play tetris on my MP3 player. :) 15.48.20 # intgr: you can, it just can't be called Tetris... 15.48.23 # anyone else got a gmini402? 15.48.30 # Well, "reverse engineering" can also mean "digging up confidential documents" sometimes... 15.48.33 Quit gursikh (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.48.33 # Zagor: I think in the USA it's illegal if you use it to circumvent a copy protection 15.48.47 Quit Entasis ("Leaving") 15.49.02 # intgr: we don't do illegal activities really 15.49.06 # Most player don't enforce copy protection on DRM-free files. 15.49.14 # intgr: the Gigabeat does 15.49.38 # B4gder: Right. 15.51.08 # subjects like these make me want to delete the post: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10331.0 15.51.29 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@cpe-74-71-205-222.twcny.res.rr.com) 15.51.30 # amen 15.51.33 # :( 15.52.17 # B4gder: and sometimes I understand it from people who just bricked their player for example, but this guy didn't even install rockbox or read anything about it. 15.52.44 # I never read those entries 15.53.01 # if they can't make me interested with a good subject, they're not worth reading ;-) 15.53.03 Quit matsl (Remote closed the connection) 15.53.18 # JdGordon: can the text be displayed on the Sansa in a 90Degrees or 270 Degrees Rotation? (txt viewer plugin) 15.53.39 # B4gder: I should try harder to resist as well.. 15.54.01 Quit obo ("bye") 15.54.45 # Jeton: no :( 15.55.56 # Well, i already can read text on my Sansa and i can scroll it with the scrollwheel (something i never imagined would be able to do). so that's fine. I'm happy with it :D 15.56.05 # thanks. 15.57.35 Quit simmel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.57.49 Join simmel [0] (i=simmel@unaffiliated/simmel) 15.58.23 Join norbusan [0] (n=norbusan@host24-222.pool8175.interbusiness.it) 15.59.31 Part norbusan 15.59.55 # The lack of 32-bit and 64-bit integer datatypes is probably also going to be a PITA. 16.01.19 Quit Jeton ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 16.01.50 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.02.01 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54bf597f.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.06.32 Quit davina (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.06.58 Join davina [0] (n=dave@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 16.09.30 Quit joa (Remote closed the connection) 16.09.46 Join joa [0] (n=joe@user-514dbafc.l2.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk) 16.10.25 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 16.15.01 Join norbusan [0] (n=norbusan@host24-222.pool8175.interbusiness.it) 16.15.05 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 16.18.15 Part norbusan 16.19.39 Join Weiss [0] (i=taw27@pip.srcf.societies.cam.ac.uk) 16.22.46 Join ccitt [0] (n=ccitt@host226.216.41.41.conversent.net) 16.22.49 # mornin all 16.22.53 Quit krazykit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.23.37 # what steps do i need to build the ipod bootloader? i cant seem to find any build instructions other than rockbox itsself. 16.23.40 Join krazykit [0] (n=kkit@ppp-69-208-157-37.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net) 16.23.53 # i have run configure and make in my build dir and i think its good but how do i install that? 16.24.06 # ccitt: It's exactly the same, just choose "B" for bootloader, instead of "N" for normal. 16.24.08 # i wanna make sure my development and testing is from a clean baseline, being the svn from today 16.24.16 # yeah i know i already built it 16.24.20 # how do i install it? 16.24.33 # ipodpatcher -a bootloader-ipodname.ipod 16.24.33 # sorry i guess i did ask building 16.24.42 # cool thanks 16.26.25 Join hig [0] (n=hig@pD9E44115.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 16.27.33 Quit NuclearDog (Remote closed the connection) 16.27.55 Join ctaf [0] (n=ctaf@ram94-6-82-242-23-70.fbx.proxad.net) 16.28.07 Part ctaf 16.32.54 Join NuclearDog [0] (n=nd@ikaruga.co.uk) 16.35.58 Quit krazykit (Nick collision from services.) 16.36.03 Quit B4gder ("It is time to say MOOO") 16.36.21 # nppp 16.36.43 Quit hige (Connection timed out) 16.37.07 Quit davina ("xchat on Ubuntu 7.04") 16.38.33 Join davina [0] (n=dave@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 16.42.48 Join Slowking_Man [0] (n=slow@wikipedia/Slowking-Man) 16.43.09 Join lexinc [0] (n=lexinc@24.69.221.45) 16.44.08 Join Topy [0] (n=Topy44@xdsl-81-173-148-172.netcologne.de) 16.46.29 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 16.47.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.47.32 Join norbusan [0] (n=norbusan@generic-nat.unisi.it) 16.47.37 Part norbusan 16.51.21 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.53.58 Quit lexinc (Remote closed the connection) 17.04.12 Quit Topy44 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.05.06 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 17.08.47 Join Lozzy [0] (n=chatzill@host81-153-108-157.range81-153.btcentralplus.com) 17.09.29 # hey. I just looked up something in the manual for rockbox on an ipod 5G. I want to reset to my original settings manually, but using hold on startup just boots me in to my apple firmware. 17.10.44 Join Killez [0] (n=Killes@112.70.203.62.cust.bluewin.ch) 17.10.54 # isnt that what its supposed to do 17.11.03 # i thought it was some other button combo to reset the settings 17.11.09 # cant remember what though 17.11.10 # it's the hold button 17.11.21 # for ipods 17.11.33 # hold definately boots me into ipod fw 17.11.37 # the hold button boots me in to the apple firmware dionoea, I think they changed it. 17.11.41 # you power it on and the switch hold on as fast as possible 17.12.04 # I'll try again, sec. 17.12.06 # heya, just a quick nifty idea i was having, prolly impossible, but is there any way in hell one could make a rockbox equipped player read and play music off an external hard drive/usb stick plugged into the player ? 17.12.29 # it might be possible if/when rockbox gets usb otg support 17.12.41 # i think that someone is working on that as part of Google's Summer of Code 17.12.46 # aww cool 17.12.48 # Lozzy: You need to turn hold on after the Rockbox bootloader starts - i.e. after the backlight comes on. 17.13.06 # okay, thanks linuxstb. 17.13.20 # ipod nano+300gig external hardrive and there goes the smallest hifi with my whole music collectio 17.13.31 # ah, that's awesome, thanks! 17.14.05 # jesus yeah, a 3.5 ext hdd, ipod nano, t-amp and thats one sweet minimalistic setup :P 17.14.15 # does anyone know of a vender who sells high capacity 1.8" drives i can use in my 5g? 17.14.32 # well, relatively high capacity 17.15.12 # still, ill have to wait then, no simple way to access all music in the bedroom for the gf then :P 17.15.20 # withotu setting up a pc there 17.15.51 Join Rincewind [0] (n=xchatter@i3ED6F5CB.versanet.de) 17.16.14 Quit Killez () 17.18.39 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-075-177-158-190.nc.res.rr.com) 17.18.43 # does anyone know if anyone has started working on a usb-mode for rockbox-ipod? this is a winpod5g 17.21.38 # do ipods have usbotg? 17.21.58 # afaik, yes. 17.25.13 # a = [ 0.01000 0.00763 0.00832 0.01036 ] 17.25.17 # oops 17.25.49 # does anyone know how to generate a brown(ian) noise generator? 17.27.49 # * linuxstb has a test_codec plugin working - for proper benchmarking of codecs... 17.28.24 # * petur waits for the first round of codec optimizing 17.29.05 # About 2 years too late... 17.30.05 # not at all -- just think of the wma codec project ;) 17.34.32 # markun: yes, integrate white noise 17.34.56 Quit davina (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.37.07 Join davina_ [0] (n=dave@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 17.42.04 # linuxstb: what does it do ? 17.43.43 # Nico_P: It loads a track into the audio buffer, and decodes it as fast as it can via the codec api, displaying the total time at the end. 17.44.02 # nice 17.44.17 # The plugin implements the playback-engine half of the codec API itself. 17.44.48 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-117-159.pools.arcor-ip.net) 17.45.55 # Main problem left is that it won't work with libmad because libmad needs too much stack - my plugin runs the codecs in the main thread, and the main stack is smaller than the codec stack. So I think I need to create my own codec thread, using the same IRAM stack that the main codec thread is using.... 17.50.12 Nick Soap_ is now known as Soap (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 17.56.01 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.175.72) 17.56.31 # linuxstb: is your plugin ready for SVN ? 17.56.59 # Not yet, but I can post a patch. 17.57.11 Quit Topy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.57.21 # I'd like that :) 17.57.30 # http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/test_codec.diff 17.58.15 # It's still buggy I think - I just tried a vorbis file and it crashed. 17.58.53 Quit knapp (Remote closed the connection) 17.58.55 # I think it also needs a wav-writing mode - just so I can be sure it's actually decoding something... The decode times seem very fast. 17.59.18 Quit Weiss (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.59.23 # e.g. a 138s FLAC file is decoded in about 33s on my ipod - over 4x realtime. 17.59.54 # isn't flac very efficient ? 18.00.03 # or is that too efficient ? 18.01.24 # I guess it's about right... 4x realtime implies an ipod running at around 19MHz. But that doesn't include the overhead of the WPS and the actual playback 18.02.01 # jhMikeS: I was more hoping for a way to generate it directly, like this one for pink noise: http://home.earthlink.net/%7Eltrammell/tech/pinkalg.htm 18.02.13 # hmm the viewers.config needs an edit, doesn't it ? 18.02.46 # Nico_P: Oops, forgot that in my diff... Yes, just assign it to any music type - e.g. wav. 18.03.27 # New patch uploaded. 18.03.40 # same URL ? 18.03.54 # Yes 18.04.01 Join Topy44 [0] (n=Topy44@xdsl-81-173-148-172.netcologne.de) 18.07.41 # wow 0.07 seconds to decode a 3247 m4a file ^^ 18.07.53 # 3247 seconds* 18.08.04 # That's perhaps not correct then... 18.08.28 # or it's proof that there's no need to optimise on the gigabeat :) 18.08.38 Quit Lozzy ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 18.09.07 Join Weiss [0] (i=taw27@pip.srcf.societies.cam.ac.uk) 18.09.41 # Are you sure it's 3247 seconds long, not 3 seconds? The display in test_codec is in ms. 18.09.59 Quit Topy44 () 18.10.23 # it's a long file 18.10.25 # Ah, the second display is in seconds, sorry... 18.10.36 # linuxstb: did you invert the real-time percentage calculation? 18.10.45 # markun: No, I like it backwards... 18.10.49 # ok :) 18.10.59 # markun: can't you just use a formula such as new freq = old freq * exp( gaussian random variable ) ? 18.11.02 # so 50% realtime is better than 200%? 18.11.48 # dionoea: I have no clue what that should do 18.12.03 # markun: I'm happy to go with what people think - I don't really care either way. 18.12.10 # that generates a brownian path 18.12.21 # i'm not sure how brownian noise relates to that though :) 18.12.37 # Nico_P: Have you got anything to work? 18.13.29 # linuxstb: I tried with an MP3 file... it appears to be doing something but it seems long to me 18.15.17 # * linuxstb afk, back later 18.15.17 # dionoea: hm, me neither :) 18.15.37 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 18.17.01 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18.17.10 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54bf597f.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.20.54 # http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/90783.pdf <-- hehe we should those for the IR modules! and i was thinking...if somebody _really_ is interested in usb otg or other player to player communication....this infrared stuff would be great as a backup for compatibility with `older' players or those that just don't have usb otg 18.21.05 # markun: http://nsr.bioeng.washington.edu/Software/NSR_SW_fractal.html 18.21.52 Quit atsea- (Connection reset by peer) 18.23.47 # Hmm, infrared communication through headphone jack? 18.23.48 # dionoea: thanks 18.24.22 # But most players with audio input don't have mic jacks, do they? 18.24.27 Quit petur ("*plop*") 18.25.34 # well, those players that don't have lines in have usb otg.. 18.25.47 # Ah. 18.26.17 Join atsea- [0] (i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-d2ae3f10a3c10603) 18.29.34 Join norbusan [0] (n=norbusan@generic-nat.unisi.it) 18.29.37 Part norbusan 18.34.04 Join testdasi [0] (i=8a102823@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-33b7f0c015b611e2) 18.35.07 # does anyone know how is it that the battery reading for the sansa e200 is always about half the actual run time? I am guessing it's either the battery capacity is halfed (which is not really true because the define says 750, correct value) or the runcurrent is doubled (the run current code looks fine to me) 18.35.47 # testdasi: yo uneed to set your battery capacity 18.35.51 # it is set too high 18.36.01 # hmm 18.36.14 # nvm 18.36.34 # are you using the latest snapshot? 18.36.57 # i had a similar issue on my ipod5g but the latest revision fixed it 18.38.48 # hey, thanks. I think I know how to fix it now :D 18.40.55 # hey no problemo :) 18.41.18 # battery info, especially runtime estimation hasn't been calibrated on most of the newer targets. I believe that applies to Sansa and any kind of Ipods... 18.41.41 # pixelma: i can speak for the 30g 5g ipod - it is now calibrated properly 18.41.56 # but i can dig that many other targets are not 18.42.23 # ccitt: Do you mean the battery percentage or the runtime estimation? 18.43.43 Join midkay_ [0] (i=d8ba619d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1b081c82015ae78b) 18.46.10 # linuxstb: both seem to be working now - the percentage was off before, due to a lack of correct values to select for the battery capacity 18.46.28 # with the latest clean build from svn, it works great 18.46.54 # hmm. so i'm having a problem with a friend's Rockboxed nano.. it won't turn on. 18.47.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.47.05 # it's charged, and plugged in. it won't reset. 18.47.18 # did you try restoring it in itunes? 18.47.32 # try that and then reload rockbox 18.47.40 # it doesn't turn on at all.. no power, no USB connection. 18.47.43 # totally blank LCD. 18.47.43 # is it a nano v2? 18.47.55 # it's a first-gen. it worked fine a couple days ago. 18.47.59 # oh ok 18.48.00 # midkay_: nice, he thinks you are a noob :) 18.48.15 # markun: haha, i'll take any help i can get :) 18.48.17 # markun: i dunno mn just trying to be (somewhat) useful 18.48.24 # ;) 18.48.25 # ccitt: it's ok :) 18.48.30 # ccitt: thanks, i appreciate it.. trying to figure this out is all :) 18.48.39 # fair nuff 18.48.44 # no reason it shouldn't be working... but i can't manage to get it to power on. :\ 18.48.59 # linuxstb: do you know if there has been any work on getting native usb support on ipood targets? 18.49.18 # ccitt: someone will do some work on it this summer 18.49.27 # during Google's summer of Code 18.49.28 Quit pearldiver (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 18.49.53 # ok - if not i was going to try and take a stab at it - i dislike seeing the ipod firmware load ;) 18.49.54 # at least adding a USB stack, don't know how far he will get 18.50.16 # so there is no usb stack at all for any target currently? 18.50.17 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 18.50.25 # ccitt: correct 18.50.29 # okay 18.50.41 # hmmm 18.51.24 # many have a chip which does all the work 18.51.42 # right 18.52.26 # ccitt: http://code.google.com/soc/rockbox/about.html 18.52.26 # i would think putting (at least on ipods)that secondary core to use for this would be great - we could offload usb transactions (synchronously) to the other processor whilst the main cpu does its normal thing 18.52.42 # so you could actually use usb AND listen to music at the same time 18.53.08 # if i was plugged into USB at my computer i'd probably be listening to music off the computer anyways.. 18.53.22 # being tethered up to a seperate device sounds a little annoying. 18.54.03 # midkay_: I'm sitting here at work behind my computer and still use my Gigabeat 18.54.05 # not at all 18.54.32 # Nico_P: I think I've fixed the vorbis and m4a problems - new patch in the same place: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/test_codec.diff 18.54.34 # i for one, dont have the extra space on my laptop for my tunes - so i keep them on my pod - my laptop has too many VMs and other work-type stuff 18.54.52 # at work sounds fine.. but i only plug my ipod in at home. and my entire library's on my computer anyways.. i'd far prefer to listen on there. much easier/quicker to navigate and build playlists and stuff. 18.54.53 # Nico_P: I had just not implemented some of the codec API... 18.55.00 # that makes sense. 18.55.38 # btw, I submitted the more calibrated voltage on #6860 18.57.44 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 18.57.58 # back in a bit.. 18.58.08 # linuxstb: I'll test 18.58.08 Quit midkay_ ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 18.58.46 # Nico_P: MP3 still doesn't work, but I know why (the main stack is too small). Hopefully all other codecs will work now though. 18.59.17 # ok 18.59.42 # ccitt: On devices where USB has to be done in software, we could theoretically allow USB and normal use in parallel. There is no need for a second core in order to do this 19.01.13 # Whether we actually want to do this is another question - there are so many problems related to the fact that filesystems usually assume that they have exclusive access to the medium 19.02.05 # Of course rockbox would know that this assumption is wrong, but the filesystem on the PC side would not. 19.02.54 # yeah, let's not have to worry about fs locking and the like 19.02.55 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-117-159.pools.arcor-ip.net) 19.03.06 # This creates serious problems even if we limit rockbox' access to read-only 19.03.19 # kiss, etc 19.03.43 Join david1 [0] (n=david52@84.72.254.113) 19.03.58 # The PC file system might hold back some write data, leaving the actual medium in an inconsistent state until unmount 19.04.23 # (more of a problem with linux than with windows) 19.06.30 # If Rockbox can decode a 2-minute track in 1 minute, would you call that 50% realtime or 200% realtime? 19.06.48 # 200% 19.07.17 # Or rather, decoding *speed* is 200% realtime, decoding *time* is 50% realtime 19.07.55 # OK, I'll go with 200%... 19.07.58 Join Rincewind_ [0] (n=xchatter@i3ED6F9F3.versanet.de) 19.08.30 # linuxstb: there's no way to abort decoding ? 19.08.40 # testdasi: if you are into patching, you can try my runtime scaling patch: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7092 19.08.50 # Nico_P: No. But there will be once I move it to its own thread. 19.10.12 # ok 19.10.26 # it's decoding a long M41 file atm 19.10.31 # M4A* 19.11.23 Quit Rincewind (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.16.44 # linuxstb: I guess a progressbar would be quite easy to add ? 19.17.25 # and useful info about the file 19.17.50 # (codec, bitrate, duration, filesize...) 19.18.32 # Rincewind_: thanks :D 19.19.09 # the decoding ended and I couldn't see the results because my pressing the quit button had been recorded 19.19.19 # if you try it out, please give me some feedback 19.19.38 # Nico_P: I guess those could be added (not sure about the need for a progress bar though...). Anyway, I think I've had enough of it for today, so I'll commit it. 19.19.57 # It will be like the other test plugins - not built by default. 19.20.34 # ok 19.21.03 # is there a wiki page about these test plugins ? 19.21.55 # I just tried an MPC file (340 secs)... 49 sec decoding (14,63 %) 19.24.04 # Nico_P: I don't think so. 19.24.16 # OK, committed. 19.24.24 # Nico_P: what target? 19.24.31 # preglow: gigabeat 19.24.35 # right :/ 19.24.38 # 700% realtime isn't bad 19.24.46 Join hostf4cekilla [0] (n=chatzill@pool-70-22-207-151.bos.east.verizon.net) 19.24.52 # i would have expected more on gigabeat, really 19.25.12 # the MPC codec needs optimising ? :) 19.25.26 # heh 19.25.37 # mpc is pretty much the only codec that works on pp5002, i think 19.25.48 # * linuxstb mumbles something about FLAC 19.26.07 # oh, i remember how i swore i'd never touch musepack again, before it was that fast... 19.26.26 # linuxstb: the progressbar could be nice because it's not very easy to get a sense of the progress with big numbers 19.26.40 # FLAC is 1739% realtime on the gigabeat... 19.26.44 # ahahaha 19.27.12 # preglow: I have an M4A file deconding atm 19.27.24 # m4a decoder is shit slow 19.27.50 # where can i see how much % realtime it is? 19.27.54 # we're waiting for a better one, aren't we ? 19.29.23 # Hoping for, I'd say... :) 19.29.24 # david1: with the new codec test plugin 19.29.39 # Lear: it's supposed to come from FFMpeg ? 19.29.56 # If they ever finish it... 19.29.59 # Is there a way to play files at >1x speed? Would be nice for podcasts and some books on 'tape'? 19.30.19 # ok, thx 19.30.56 # OK, my M4A file decoded at 22.76% realtime (426 / 1875 secs) 19.31.44 # Nico_P: You should update your plugin - I've reversed the percentage calculation now. 19.31.52 # doing that now 19.32.44 # More tests on the gigabeat, my 128kbps AAC test file decodes at 467.66% realtime. My -q7 vorbis file is 502.94% 19.33.00 Join krazykit [0] (n=kkit@ppp-70-227-26-61.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net) 19.33.13 # not too bad for the AAC decoder, is it ? 19.33.40 # 22.76% realtime? it didn't even decode realtime? 19.33.42 # It's much better than it used to be. 19.34.14 # preglow: He's using an old version of my plugin with the percentage calculated the opposite way 19.34.16 # preglow: it's inverted 19.34.26 # oh... 19.34.37 # someone make a benchmarking framework, please :> 19.34.41 # nico_p: given that it is not really optimized, yes. 19.34.45 # * preglow out 19.34.51 Quit hostf4cekilla ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/0000000000]") 19.34.55 # preglow: What do you mean by benchmarking framework? 19.35.23 # linuxstb: way to test speed of codec plugs 19.35.33 # * preglow really out 19.36.10 Join hostf4cekilla [0] (n=chatzill@pool-70-22-207-151.bos.east.verizon.net) 19.36.48 # * linuxstb wonders what preglow wants that test_codec doesn't do 19.40.49 Quit ccitt ("peace - im out dis bish") 19.40.49 Quit testdasi ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 19.40.57 # 685.34% for an MPC file :) 19.43.51 # would there be an easy way to measure how much CPU time is spent in the WPS rendering ? 19.51.34 Join khalsa [0] (n=khalsa@unaffiliated/gursikh) 19.52.06 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 19.53.48 Nick khalsa is now known as Gursikh (n=khalsa@unaffiliated/gursikh) 19.56.02 Join bluey^ [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-098-174.pools.arcor-ip.net) 19.58.33 # joshin: Yes, Rockbox has a pitch control which allows you to change the pitch (and hence the speed) of playback. 20.03.42 Join hardeep [0] (n=hardeep@c-24-5-74-88.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 20.03.55 Quit bluey- (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 20.05.40 Quit hig () 20.14.21 # be nice to change speed without altering pitch 20.14.26 # for jazz musicians 20.20.31 Join ctaf [0] (n=ctaf@ram94-6-82-242-23-70.fbx.proxad.net) 20.20.43 Part ctaf 20.22.12 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@136.54.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 20.22.21 # * amiconn thinks that these performance tests are more usefull on the non-overpowered targets 20.22.34 # linuxstb: Does it handle libmad now? 20.22.38 # Hi 20.22.54 # Ah, no, the commit msg says it... 20.25.16 Join H10_007quick [0] (n=chatzill@mnet-ki-244-78-181.monarch.net) 20.27.53 # linuxstb: why, that's exactly what i want :P 20.28.03 # i didn't notice it 20.28.27 # that's great 20.28.28 # absolutely great 20.32.58 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@rockbox/administrator/Llorean) 20.33.58 # * amiconn wonders whether preglow will put the greatness of this plugin to use :) 20.36.15 Join Rincewind [0] (n=xchatter@i3ED6F68F.versanet.de) 20.36.15 Part juxtap 20.39.54 # linuxstb: Do you have any SBR AAC files by chance? 20.42.08 Join juxtap [0] (n=juxtap@vc-196-207-45-253.3g.vodacom.co.za) 20.42.12 # id1 20.42.18 # er,oops 20.42.22 # Llorean: I think I have some 20.43.13 Quit lids (Remote closed the connection) 20.43.47 # Nico_P: I was just curious how they compare with the test_codec plugin, since someone was talking about them skipping on their player. 20.44.48 Join Rincewind^moep [0] (n=xchatter@i3ED6F3B8.versanet.de) 20.45.35 # nico_p: You sent a link of one to me one, didn't you? 20.45.36 # cool, thanks linuxstb. I'll check that out today. 20.45.45 # Lear: yes 20.46.07 # Then you do have some. :) 20.46.24 # ok :) 20.47.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.47.17 # they work fine now btw 20.48.32 Join lids [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-7caacb3b544d6c69) 20.50.01 # if sbr files currently decode realtime at all, i'll be very, very surprised 20.50.07 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 20.50.10 Join saratoga [0] (i=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-dd3664d057f73d7b) 20.50.47 # preglow: I'm pretty sure they don't, but I was curious in regards to the Gigabeat. 20.50.53 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.213.87) 20.51.09 # As I said, someone mentioned them skipping, once the pitch problem was fixed. 20.51.13 # amiconn: the second i have time for it, heh 20.52.02 # linuxstb: would be kinda cool with an option to benchmark the dsp system too :) 20.53.42 # preglow: i'm pretty sure they're realtime on the gigabeat 20.55.57 # well 20.56.17 # not much of a point talking about what's realtime on gigabeat, now is it? :) 20.56.39 # * preglow remembers when mp3 decoded at below 10% realtime on coldfire 20.57.01 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 20.57.13 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.213.87) 20.59.39 Part The-Compiler ("Konversation terminated!") 21.00.32 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 21.01.58 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.02.04 Join saratoga3 [0] (i=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-54a368586e72ce07) 21.05.18 Quit Rincewind (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.06.06 Join kkurbjun [0] (n=kkurbjun@c-71-56-227-141.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 21.06.32 Quit Rincewind_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.19.26 Part david1 21.20.32 Quit darkless (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.23.38 Join Siltaar [0] (n=Siltaar@reverse-52.fdn.fr) 21.24.25 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 21.27.58 Join Rincewind_ [0] (n=xchatter@i3ED6F78B.versanet.de) 21.29.23 Quit maffe (Remote closed the connection) 21.29.29 Quit joa ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 21.30.03 Join darkapostrophe [0] (n=darkapos@149-139-73.231210.adsl.tele2.no) 21.30.19 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 21.30.33 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 21.30.52 Join bluebrother [0] (i=eSB4wnc0@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 21.31.09 Quit Dark_Apostrophe (Nick collision from services.) 21.31.09 Nick darkapostrophe is now known as Dark_Apostrophe (n=darkapos@149-139-73.231210.adsl.tele2.no) 21.40.38 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@83.233.231.172) 21.41.02 Quit petur ("reboot") 21.41.08 # does ffmpeg have a dicussion forum or is it all their mailing list? 21.41.13 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.41.13 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 21.44.20 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 21.44.43 Quit bluey^ ("Leaving") 21.46.21 # err... am I the only one having menu weirdness 21.46.23 # ? 21.46.35 # * petur receives a strange personal message on the forum 21.47.16 # anybody receive a PM from a company called 'Mach Speed Technologies'? 21.48.17 # * ender` yawns 21.48.40 # ender` should show us his quit message :p 21.49.06 # hmm. Isn't the text viewer supposed to save the last position of the last couple of files? 21.50.32 # petur: only when i quit :) 21.51.30 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 21.51.39 Quit Rincewind^moep (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.51.54 # * petur nudges Bagder towards his mailbox 21.53.00 Quit SirFunk (Success) 21.54.21 # Nico_P: what weirdnesses and what build are you running - JdGordon was working on them today. His first "fix" (for non-scrolling menu items) was messing it up even more (as he said) but then he committed a second fix. 21.55.10 # pixelma: I have the latest (with kkurbjun's buttonlight tweaks) 21.55.27 # menus don't get redrawn immediatly 21.55.42 # they only do after several keypresses 21.56.30 # Nico_P: Someone reported that on the forums earlier, too. 21.56.46 # Maybe just a missing lcd update? 21.58.17 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 22.00.48 Join NeoZidane [0] (n=zizou@91.104.41.152) 22.01.17 # hmm... I have something like that too (with the build before on M5). When I enter a settings menu for example, and chose another setting or cancel (what should drop me back to the menu level above) it will still show the settings (and if cancelled the splash stays) until I press another button 22.03.36 # (or the same again) 22.04.00 # erm ahem, query here 22.04.09 # * NeoZidane sticks up quaestion mark on forehead 22.04.18 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 22.04.32 # * NeoZidane rubs off quaestion mark and put on question mark 22.04.54 # NeoZidane: Generally you should just ask a question, rather than asking to ask. :-P 22.04.59 # * pixelma recommends to just ask 22.05.00 Join AceNik___ [0] (n=AceNik@203.145.159.41) 22.05.07 # saratoga: I noticed in the logs a week or so ago you asked about ARM inline assembler - did you find this page? http://www.ethernut.de/en/documents/arm-inline-asm.html (I found it a very helpful introduction) 22.05.20 # ipod, formatted for Mac, is it using FAT? 22.05.47 # hey guys if i want to sugest rockbox to be associated with another project would it be possible , & whom do i contact in that case 22.05.47 # No, formatted for Mac is HFS+ 22.05.58 # and i format it for Fat how? 22.06.02 # AceNik___: I'm not even sure what you mean by that 22.06.19 # NeoZidane is installing Debian and wants to use his iPod for backup 22.06.28 # NeoZidane: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 22.06.31 # aha 22.06.33 # well though if rockbox could be integrated with phones? 22.06.38 # merci beaucoup 22.06.56 # i think itd eat the batteries beyond belief? 22.06.59 # & also thought bout a open source phone already being in developement 22.06.59 # AceNik___: Rockbox is an MP3 player firmware, it's totally unsuited for being a firmware for phones. 22.07.15 # badsheepy: Why would you assume that? 22.07.23 # If you want phone firmware, check out trolltech's qtopiea 22.07.26 # qtopia* 22.07.29 # saratoga3: afaik, only mailing list 22.07.39 # It's based on the Linux kernel 22.07.46 Join Rincewind^moep [0] (n=xchatter@i3ED6F361.versanet.de) 22.07.50 # cause of the time the battery lasts on my ipod 22.07.51 # saratoga3: they do have a channel on freenode, thougfh 22.07.57 # saratoga3: #ffmpeg 22.08.01 # badsheepy: Yes, but that's only because PortalPlayer is stupid. 22.08.02 # ya but cant a part of it be used to port it to a phone , like the iphone for instabce , has the ipod n phone , so i found a phone that is capable of the same , in opne source , n needs support 22.08.18 # preglow: Yes, dsp should straightforward to add to test_codec. I also want to add an option to write to a WAV file so we can test for accuracy. 22.08.27 # well why isnt relavent is it, more that it does :) 22.08.30 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@cpe-74-71-205-222.twcny.res.rr.com) 22.08.30 # badsheepy: Rockbox on other devices gets better battery life than the original firmware, so you shouldn't make assumptions based upon our most poorly supported hardware. 22.08.37 # well i would imagine so 22.08.48 # but then, a phone is more unsupported than an ipod 22.09.05 # pixelma: I get what you described a bit earlier 22.09.08 # An "Open source" phone, as was discussed, should have hardware docs 22.09.26 # Look at the Gigabeat. Newer support than iPod support, but we're already getting comparable/better battery time. 22.09.40 # even proper mp3 playing phones dont last long enough to make them worthwhile imo 22.10.17 # Yeah, I'm not a fan of making phones do anything beyond phonecalls, and maybe address book / PDA / internet functions if they're a "smartphone" 22.10.36 # Llorean: check pvt 22.10.39 # But Rockbox isn't really suited for phones anyway, it's mostly centered around the audio playback function. 22.10.52 # AceNik___: I haven't received one, I'm assuming because your nick isn't registered. 22.11.02 Quit snike_[D] ("( Осторожно пьяные люди. Зона неразумного потребления ПИВА!") 22.12.03 # hmm. Why has this Qt Greenphone a camera? :/ 22.12.03 # Llorean: now ? 22.12.09 # AceNik___: No. 22.12.37 # Llorean: how do u create a different channel then , iremember someone doin that 22.13.12 # AceNik___: I'm not joining a different channel, I have no interest in discussing non-Rockbox talk right now, and if it's Rockbox related, I don't see why you can't say it publicly. 22.13.43 # #rockbox-Ace join this im not declaring company names till now publicly 22.13.48 # linuxstb_: would be exceedingly cool 22.14.16 # & yes it is very much rockbox related , jus extending support 22.14.47 Join Rincewind [0] (n=xchatter@i3ED6F0F9.versanet.de) 22.15.19 # AceNik___: If you want Rockbox on a new device, go ahead and work on it. Device owners are the ones who do ports. 22.15.29 # petur: yes, I got the mail too 22.15.48 # petur: Was the message spam, and if so, is there a forum username I need to look at? 22.15.54 # sounds quite real 22.16.07 # user "Mach Speed" 22.16.25 # device = http://www.machspeed.com/specs/mp3/tv5.htm 22.16.47 # Llorean: ppl so stubborn , leave it , ul not worth it 22.16.52 Quit davina_ (Remote closed the connection) 22.17.24 # AceNik___: Seriously, I'm not interested in anything you can't say publicly, because honestly, if you can't say it in the open, you probably shouldn't be saying it behind closed doors. 22.17.38 Part AceNik___ 22.18.10 # markun: I forwarded mine to Bagder 22.18.33 # seems too much video oriented 22.18.37 # petur: he probably got it too, I think they were forwarded by Jeff, no? 22.19.51 Join davina_ [0] (n=dave@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 22.19.56 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 22.21.12 # Llorean: was he talking about the phone for OpenMoko? 22.22.04 # markun: I dunno, he wasn't willing to state openly what he was talking about. 22.22.23 # weird 22.23.58 Join iobound_ [0] (n=asdf@145.84-48-33.nextgentel.com) 22.24.15 # Llorean: this might be the phone he's talking about: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 22.24.48 # I listened to an interview with a german guy working on the project 22.25.04 # they chose the components to have docs freely available 22.25.25 # for the 'PDA' part of the phone that is 22.25.47 # hi guys, i noticed the "rockbox.iriver" binary from the H300 cvs builds is now inside the ".rockbox" directory, does the v5 boot loader work with that, or do I need to flash a CVS bootloader? Or do I have to move the file to the root drive? 22.26.07 # I haven't upgraded since an late 2006 build 22.26.10 # iobound_: I believe you need the v6 bootloader, but not SVN bootloader 22.26.19 # kkurbjun: seen the red in "gigabeat boot"? 22.26.24 # h100 needs v6 bootloader. Not sure about h300. 22.26.38 # Llorean: v5 is the latest released bootloader for h300 22.26.54 # Llorean: similar CPU as the Gigabeat: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:Neo1973_Hardware 22.27.32 # Llorean, is there a v6 bootloader for h300, i could only find a v5 on the wiki 22.27.43 # yeah as the others said 22.27.58 # ok, so that old v5 bootloader will find rockbox.iriver in the .rockbox folder? 22.28.04 # yes 22.28.11 # kkurbjun: and maybe it's a good idea to commit in smaller steps? 22.28.21 # alright, thanks a lot, i'm going to try upgradring 22.28.27 # petur: Oh, I missed the "h300" bit, I read "h100" for some reason 22.28.44 # I thought H300 wasn't up to v5 yet, and so read what I expected to see. =/ 22.29.03 # do i have to reboot to get into usb mode or does the main rockbox "OS" have an usb mode too? 22.29.13 # nevermind, it worked! 22.29.14 # just plug the cable 22.29.33 # i'll stop asking dumb questions and start doing stuff now :) 22.29.39 # usb works fine on all targets that have usb in hardware 22.29.51 # i.e. all (?) non-pp targets 22.30.21 # merbanan: still no pong from the wma dude? :/ 22.30.24 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 22.30.34 # nope 22.30.55 # hrmf 22.31.02 # would be seriously uncool having to duplicate his efforts 22.31.05 Quit Rincewind_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.31.20 # seems like a guy who knows what he's doing too 22.31.41 # preglow: marsdaddy? 22.32.02 # markun: no, someone who said he'd optimise wma for arm on the ffmpeg list 22.32.07 # ah yes 22.32.35 # did anyone do any more work on the dumb plugin? i submitted a patch that could do 100% perfect disk writes but not in realtime 22.32.44 # not that i know of 22.32.57 Join digerati1338 [0] (n=Mike@70-59-30-108.hlrn.qwest.net) 22.34.17 # Is there any good reason why the sansa isn't part of the table on the PluginIndex page? 22.34.18 Part NeoZidane 22.34.20 Quit Rincewind^moep (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.34.24 # preglow: some optimizations are already commited to ffmpeg svn 22.35.19 # digerati1338, I think it's only because nobody has added it yet 22.38.40 Part TrueJournals 22.40.49 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 22.41.04 Join mrk [0] (n=mrk@adsl-69-153-135-218.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 22.41.18 # hi mrk, still having fun with rockbox? 22.42.32 Quit Rincewind (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.42.33 Quit iobound_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.42.36 # merbanan: yeah, but none fixed point related, no? 22.42.39 Join iobound_ [0] (n=asdf@145.84-48-33.nextgentel.com) 22.42.44 Join capo [0] (i=capo@c-24-13-108-5.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 22.43.23 Quit iobound_ (Client Quit) 22.43.53 # markun: enough fun :P 22.44.03 # good 22.44.03 # going to try and *maybe* get album art working today 22.44.15 # who needs album art.. 22.44.15 # and if that's doable, I want to get mpegviewer on 22.44.27 # I like mine :P. most albums I listen to have nice art. 22.44.29 # well, mpegplayer is already installed 22.44.49 # hm? 22.44.54 # I thought you had to download it... 22.44.56 # mrk: try one of the last 2 movies: http://mikachu.rockbox.org/ 22.45.01 # no, you don't 22.45.14 # it's not under plugins on my player.... 22.45.19 # mrk: Out of curiousity, why did you think you had to download it? 22.45.39 # not under plugins in the wiki? manual? 22.45.56 # on the player itself 22.45.57 # mrk: no, because it's a viewer, you start it by clicking on a mpeg file 22.46.01 # oh. 22.46.08 # just like the gameboy emo 22.46.09 # emu 22.46.20 # I see, thanks <_<. I feel more stupid than I usually do here <_< 22.46.37 # something else... I *love* that the remote works perfectly 22.46.38 # like the text viewer ;-) 22.46.43 # and can even be used to turn it on 22.46.53 # mrk: It's very common for people to assume all plugins are available under Browse Plugins... :) 22.47.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.47.20 # Hm. so any suggestions for a video encoder? I'll be transcoding from avi... 22.47.39 # I have a converter, just not sure if there's a better one out there. 22.47.48 Part maffe 22.47.50 # mrk: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer 22.49.07 # preglow: no, but it would speed up the decoding anyway 22.49.47 # about the Gigabeat remote: the volume buttons are now mapped to UP and DOWN 22.49.47 # markun: I see, about the downloading, or lack thereof. I'd read that page before, but must have skipped that somehow. 22.50.06 # we could map them to VOL_UP and VOL_DOWN 22.50.21 # markun: I'm not sure what you mean? The difference between the two, I'm referring to... 22.51.08 # mrk: you're referring to... what? 22.51.34 # the difference between up/down and vol_up/vol_down 22.51.41 # I mean, I understand it on the player, but not on the remote 22.51.47 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@p549ACC0D.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.51.47 Part digerati1338 22.52.36 # is the gigabeat supposed to have a button light on the cross? 22.52.42 # nope 22.52.47 # mrk: on the player the up and down buttons only change the volume in the WPS 22.52.52 # oh, so nothing's broken :) 22.53.15 # just on the sides. to be honest, I would be annoyed if the front glowed to. and the side buttons don't glow in rockbox. dunno if it's be possible for that to be an option, maybe? 22.53.18 # mrk: so the remote buttons for vol+ and - also only work in the wps to change the volume 22.53.25 # oh, I see. 22.53.27 # markun: Does that mean you won't be able to navigate with the remote anymore? If so, I don't like it. 22.53.36 # the new patch slows the backlight fade a lot, and the timeout menu doesn't exit right 22.53.37 # As in, navigate the filetree/browser 22.53.39 # has anyone else of the devs also got a message from "Mach Speed technologies" in the Forum ? 22.53.40 # Llorean: ok, that's what I wanted to know 22.53.43 # s/patch/commit/ 22.53.57 # Llorean: for me it doesn't matter 22.54.03 # jhMikeS: Do you know if anything bad will happen if I steal the codec thread's stack whilst the codec thread is waiting for a message on its queue? 22.54.08 # that's not too much of a problem for me... if I'm using the remote, the players locked on the wps in my pocket 22.54.10 # markun: For me it does, though only a moderate amount. 22.54.16 # Domonoky: yes, me and petur 22.54.21 # amiconn as well I think 22.54.31 # * jhMikeS 's gigabeat has locked 22.54.31 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 22.54.33 Quit maffe (Remote closed the connection) 22.54.50 # okey, so someone with more knowlege than me can answer them.. :-) 22.54.52 Quit kaaloo ("Leaving.") 22.54.55 Quit ze (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.54.57 # jhMikeS: and kkurbjun is very silent 22.55.24 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 22.55.38 # linuxstb_: codec has no queue 22.55.50 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.172.254) 22.55.52 # oh wait, duh 22.56.04 # the battery on the gigabeat kicks ass :P 22.56.38 # linuxstb_: nothing should come of it as long as the thread doesn't get scheduled again 22.56.49 # mrk: I don't think you can easily mod your Gigabeat to have a glowing front 22.57.10 # jhMikeS: That's what I'm asking - it will only get woken up when a message is sent to its queue? 22.57.20 # oh, sorry for being unclear. I meant to make it an option in rockbox to have the *side* button lights be on or off 22.57.35 # linuxstb_: it's an inifinite wait? then no. 22.57.43 # it's on the the block_list 22.59.21 # * jhMikeS thinks he knows what going on with the gigabeat goofiness...his patch with system queues is applied :\ 23.00.00 # mrk: that should work with the latest build, but I believe there are some problems 23.00.18 # does anybody else's gigabeat not realize that it's connected to the computer when it's in its dock? 23.00.39 # markun: oh? would I have to enable the option, or would it be visible by default? 23.00.42 # mrk: did you try the usb/line-out switch on the cradle? 23.01.04 # wtf. I never put it to line-out :(. 23.01.08 # that did fix it, though :P 23.01.34 # I think you need to enable it, but it was committed just a few hours ago 23.02.02 # ah, that's pretty cool. it's nice to see how fast rockbox changes. 23.02.13 # Do the "new" button light options have the same choices as the debug menu? 23.02.49 # Llorean: no, I think he removed the HDD blinking for now 23.02.55 # The "options" seemed somewhat arbitrary. You could have half or all of them on, but you didn't have the option to make half of them dim, or dim flashing for the HDD, or so on. 23.03.18 # hmmm...maybe not, no new queue_post calls were added :\ 23.03.36 # Llorean: it should be split in multiple settings imo 23.03.43 # It seemed to me there should've been a "Buttons on Backlight" and a "Buttons on HDD" option 23.04.00 # Each with "Dim, Bright, Power/Menu bright, Power/Menu Dim" kinda thing 23.04.06 # yes, that was the idea gotthardt was working on 23.04.12 # Okay, good 23.04.21 # but then he became too busy with work 23.04.34 # No worries, just making sure someone else agrees that it should at least be split. :) 23.04.56 Join webguest26 [0] (i=cf3fdb02@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-fcbe1f9254feecd9) 23.05.07 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.198.152) 23.07.07 # hi i know this may be a question that has nothing to do with rockbox. But I would really aprreciate it (cant spell that word) if somebody told me where i can download the ipod updator and not itunes please and thank you!!!! : ) 23.07.35 # webguest26: google doesn't find anything? 23.07.48 # nope and all the links take me to itunes 23.08.13 # there is a link at the IpodManualConvertionToFat32 page (or what was the page name?) 23.08.33 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 23.08.49 # webguest26: The ipodwizard forums are probably a good place to look 23.08.56 # thank you 23.09.00 # : ) 23.09.11 Join kurbjunk [0] (n=kurbjunk@12.41.166.11) 23.09.27 # markun, I will fix the red once I am done work 23.09.27 Quit webguest26 (Client Quit) 23.09.35 # ah no, was that page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore 23.09.43 # what were the features you wanted in the buttonlight driver? 23.10.04 # hmm, seems I was too slow. The conversion page doesn't have the link :o 23.10.20 # kurbjunk: mayba hdd flashing is nice 23.10.34 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 23.11.28 # kurbjunk: do you agree that it's nicer to commit each patch seperately? 23.11.38 # I was thinking about that, and it's something that could be done, but I think that there would have to be a mode setting that would effect the timeout setting though 23.12.06 # you would split the button init, power, and button lights up then? 23.12.24 # I guess it would be nicer in case a revert had to be done 23.12.44 # yes, and to see which of the commits cause a build failure 23.13.03 # is there an easy way to split up commits though, I guess I can write out teh specific files I want to comit rather then doing a tree commit 23.13.05 # btw, red build for gigabeat bootloader ... 23.13.15 # the button lights caused the build failure 23.13.34 # bluebrother, yes, I saw, I will fix it in a couple of hours 23.13.36 # kurbjunk: if it's in separate files you can do that yes 23.13.41 # kurbjunk, I usually only commit file based. It's more control IMO 23.13.55 # yes, I agree, but I'm also lazy 23.13.59 # :-D 23.14.11 # always this lazy people in here ;-) 23.14.18 # kurbjunk: just supply a patch then and we will do the committing for you :) 23.15.22 # ahhhhh! It's playing in fast motion, and I don't know how to stop it <_< 23.15.42 # mrk: press 'A' 23.15.42 Join Snic42 [0] (n=a@209-252-79-236.ip.mcleodusa.net) 23.15.45 # or menu 23.15.53 # neither are doing anything <_< 23.15.57 # hm.. 23.16.08 # then I don't know 23.16.21 Part juxtap 23.16.37 # Anyone have a moment to help me with a bizzarre issue? Just wanna see if anyone has any ideas on this. 23.16.49 # markun, I don't know about adding the extra modes, the framework is there for them, the button/backlight driver is much more generic now, and the modes available should allow you to add in any mode that was in before, it's just alot of work to do it in a clean manner.. I think the flashing HD mode could also be added for the sansa if someone was interested in working on a generic method 23.16.50 # agh. I pressed power once, and it seems to have frozen... 23.17.16 # rather reproduce any of the old modes 23.17.42 # dammit. I plugged it into the computer... and the light turned off, but it's still frozen 23.18.23 # do I have to reset the battery? 23.18.32 # probably 23.18.33 # because it's not responding to any button presses whatsoever 23.18.40 # will I lose anything if I do that? 23.18.48 # probably not 23.18.50 # :) 23.18.54 # the fading is not smooth now, the menu is still not exiting right :\ 23.18.58 # huzzah! let's try it. 23.19.02 # markun, Domonoky: did any of you reply to the mach speed PM? 23.19.07 # not me 23.19.22 # I was interested in getting the button modes that we already support in the sansa (on, off, and different timeout settings) (effectively, on, off, and a more flexible follow) 23.19.47 # * petur writes mail... 23.19.57 # Here's what's going on. I have Rockbox on my iPod, it's worked like a dream and done everything I've expected. Up until today I've been able to plug the unit into my Xbox360's USB ports and have it see the music and play through the Xbox with no problems. Today for apparently no reason it's not seeing it as an external device any longer, but is seeing it as an iPod and cannot see any of the music. 23.20.14 # JhMikeS: on the gigabeat? 23.20.21 # kurbjunk: yes 23.20.23 # petur: delirium tremens was nice 23.20.25 # Now, I've poured through the docs for some way of changing USB mode, but found nothing, so I assume it's just always in HDD mode when plugged through USB. 23.20.49 # lol 23.21.41 # preglow: getting beer by mail now? 23.22.10 # Oh and the really bizzarre thing is if I go to pictures, it shows the file tree. But, under Music it doesn't show the tree, just Artist, Playlists, etc... Anyone else run accross this issue before? 23.22.17 Join juxtap [0] (n=juxtap@vc-196-207-45-253.3g.vodacom.co.za) 23.22.19 # markun: nope 23.22.49 # jhMikeS: the fading is slower because of the changes to the way that updating is done. I had talked with godhart about it and he felt that the changes were worth making as it allowed for more flexibility in th buttonlight driver. Now there is a dedicated state machine that handles the updates to the sc606 23.22.51 # just thought i'd mention it since he said the brewery wasn't too far off where he lived 23.23.03 # we could speed it up by increasing the step size 23.23.03 # Snic42: I've no idea how the xbox360 works, but have you upgraded it's software recently? 23.23.06 # then again, i guess most places in belgium would have at least ten close by :/ 23.23.32 # a maze 23.23.34 # preglow: white building with a big pink elephant, you can't miss it :) 23.23.52 # kurbjunk: doesn't sound like a nice sollution 23.23.53 # hahahaha 23.24.14 # markun, which solution would you propose? 23.24.15 # Snic42: Also, there are two disk modes on the ipod - the "emergency" disk mode (in flash ROM) that Rockbox reboots into, and the disk mode that's part of the main Apple firmware. Do you get the same behaviour in both? 23.24.26 # linuxstb: Nope, only thing I did was install the hacked media connect on my Gentoo Box so I can stream media from Linux over the network. Though this shouldn't affect the actual OS on the 360. 23.24.37 # kurbjunk: I would have to look at the code more closely 23.24.49 # the old one caused problems with teh buttonlights due to the problems figuring out when each register should be written to 23.24.52 # preglow: http://www.delirium.be/photo/localisation/facade%20bonne.bmp 23.24.55 # linuxstb: Yeah, I've done the normal disk mode and the hold play and select disk mode, both behave the same. 23.24.56 # and when 23.25.42 # You could probably speed up the back light fading, but you wouldn't be able to fade the buttonlights at the same time 23.25.57 # or you could increase the step size 23.26.04 # kurbjunk: I don't have my backlight on full brightness but it's fading as though it is and seems to be wrapping around at the end 23.26.07 # but that will make it more choppy 23.26.36 # Does the wiki only make a revision if you check it when you edit it? 23.26.42 # why should it? 23.26.47 # Snic42: Then I've no idea. I would have expected the xbox to always see the ipod as an ipod, and not as an external disk, so I'm surprised it worked in the past. 23.26.48 # jhMikeS, what setting are you using? 23.26.51 # kurbjunk: I don't see how fast and smooth fading will be impossible 23.27.15 # the little box I mean 23.27.24 # btw, how are buttons read on the gigabeat? adc through i2c? 23.27.35 # jhMikeS: dedicated gpio pins 23.27.40 # if you want to fade buttonlights and backlight independently it will be impossible without multiple writes to sc606 on each tick 23.27.40 # not making a revision of the page doesn't make sense 23.27.42 # 32 23.27.52 # linuxstb: That's what I was afraid of, that it was a fluke that it worked in the first place. 23.27.54 # markun: Maybe just disable smooth fading if they set their fade time below the minimum for smooth fading? 23.27.56 # I bet this only affects the "last changes" box at the start page 23.28.02 # Assuming we ever get the option to set a fade time. ;) 23.28.16 # the backlight and buttonlight registers on the sc606 each require a write 23.28.45 # jhMikeS, I will look into it, I havn't seen it wrap around, but I can try and replicate it 23.28.53 # I had a loss of buttons...with my patch applied, however that is odd since no new queue_post calls were used from an IRQ (that I could find) and it worked fine prior 23.29.15 # kurbjunk: right at the end of the fade, the brightness will blip up 23.29.21 # bluebrother: so every time I edit something and hit save it stores an original (revision)? 23.29.31 Quit SirFunk (Connection timed out) 23.29.46 # jhMikeS, ok, I will check that out and see if I can fix that 23.29.50 # I checked all this on clean SVN btw 23.30.01 # it doesn't make sense storing a new revision of a page without creating a new revision -- it's what revision control is about, isn't it? 23.30.20 # but the twiki website may clarify this completely. 23.30.26 # Eeeeeee! Watching the office on the gigabeat. this is exciting <_< 23.30.34 # did any of you notice that everytime the gigabeat shutdown on before the patch it would spinup and write to the disk and then shutdown 23.30.34 # any work being done on the seeking? 23.30.43 # ok 23.30.44 # now it doesn't do that unless there were changes to the menu settings 23.30.48 # just wondergin 23.30.52 # at least for me 23.31.00 # don't know if I was the only one getting that though 23.31.14 # kurbjunk: now that you mention it...I think it did ...hmmm 23.32.55 # yeah, for whatever reason my patch fixed that.. I don't know the cause of the problem though 23.33.22 # Why don't we have a wiki page for noobs? a collection of everywere they could go before they ask questions on the forums? 23.33.36 # we have FAQ pages. 23.33.41 # yes 23.33.53 # but they are not well know about 23.34.06 # H10_007quick: we already tell you where to go before asking questions.. 23.34.07 # something in the changes to the ata? 23.34.16 # People don't go there to look for help 23.34.19 Part maffe 23.34.28 # and if we add a new page, why would this change anything? 23.34.37 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 23.34.38 Quit maffe (Remote closed the connection) 23.34.47 # If we had a wiki page labled: The page for Noobs! 23.34.47 # we have the FAQ pages, if people don't read it they also won't read any other page 23.34.55 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 23.35.05 # I guess it could just be more inviting 23.35.06 # we had "for noobs" pages once 23.35.11 # Noobs could also use the "manual" link in the left pane 23.35.12 Part maffe 23.35.18 # they just went out of date because nobody cared to update them 23.35.21 # ... which is quite exposed 23.35.22 # markun, you could do a fast fade with the buttonlights and backlight fading, but you would have to change the step size and that would increase the granularity, if you don't care about fading the buttonlights, then you could do a fast backlight fadeout by writing to more specific registers 23.35.43 # or you could increase the speed if you are fading the backlight and buttonlighs independently 23.36.06 # but if they are fading at the same time that would slow it down again 23.36.37 # yes but I was just thinking because I was new at this just recently. If there had been a page with links to all the pertinent wiki pages I may have learned faster 23.36.46 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 23.36.51 # * jhMikeS thinks "faster i2c driver" 23.36.54 Part n1s 23.36.55 # isn't DocumentationIndex enough? 23.37.16 # The FAQ's answer some questions but they don't answer all of them 23.37.17 # or you could just say forget it, I'm going to write to the sc606 multiple times in a tick, and burn a bunch of cpu time in fading/backlight operations per tick 23.37.28 # also, users should start with the manual anyway 23.37.31 # H10_007quick: and what they dont answer, the manual does 23.37.47 # the Doc index is good but again new people won't go there 23.37.54 # if you want to develop you need to read quite further anyway 23.38.09 # and they would is we said "DocIndexForNoobs" 23.38.10 # I'm just saying that the wiki is a very scary place for new people 23.38.13 # if? 23.38.14 # so ... why don't do they go to the manual? 23.38.25 # Alright, well I'm gonna poke around a bit more and see if I can find anything else on this. Thanks linuxstb for the input 23.38.31 Quit Snic42 () 23.38.33 # the wiki might be scary. The manual isn't in the wiki anymore, so ... 23.38.42 # ummm...we're writing i2c from an interrupt? 23.38.47 # true 23.38.54 # i just dont understand how appending a "for noobs" to wiki pages would make people read them 23.39.02 # I really don't think having (and maintaining) a noob-wiki-page would make any difference 23.39.08 # except for the work of course ;-) 23.39.13 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@cpe-74-71-205-222.twcny.res.rr.com) 23.39.24 # but my point is that all the information for noobs is out there on the wiki why not just a page of links 23.39.26 # ? 23.39.50 # still, we have a manual 23.39.56 Join iobound_ [0] (n=asdf@145.84-48-33.nextgentel.com) 23.39.59 # which is the official documentation anyway. 23.40.02 # H10_007quick: Which information are you talking about, other than the stuff in the manual? 23.40.03 Join Snic [0] (n=a@209-252-79-236.ip.mcleodusa.net) 23.40.04 Join krush1704 [0] (n=andikrus@p57bb26d4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 23.40.08 # wow, rockbox has come a LONG way in half a year 23.40.13 # H10_007quick: Noobs should not be reading the wiki until after they've read the manual 23.40.33 # Huh, found it quicker than I thought. If anyone's interested, delete the ipod_control folder from your iPod and it works just fine 23.41.26 # I thought about that, but I assumed that by "for apparently no reason" you hadn't done anything different from normal. 23.41.30 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@c-71-205-145-105.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 23.41.39 Quit Slowking_Man (Remote closed the connection) 23.41.52 # * ender` never read the rockbox manual 23.41.59 # it's just so awesome! thanks to everyone involved! 23.42.38 # That's the thing, I didn't do anything. It may have created itself when I plugged the ipod into my GF's machine, she has itunes on her system, but we didn't use itunes for anything 23.42.47 # * bluebrother wrote parts of the manual instead of reading it ;-) 23.43.01 # jhMikeS, the sc606 does not connect to the i2c interface 23.43.08 # Snic: It'll create itself if you boot into the original firmware, and I suspect the ipod process might create it too. 23.43.13 # it has to be bit banged 23.43.29 # and you can only run it up to 400 kHz 23.43.40 # Snic: Any time something suddenly stops working, you should always look for anything "new" you've done. Plugging it into a machine with iTunes might've been a good tip for what went wrong. ;-P 23.43.49 # Well, lesson learned. Thanks again for the help, that was really starting to bug me. 23.43.55 # the i2c driver that hooks up to the codec chip could be improved though 23.43.55 # the generic driver tends to be clunky 23.44.09 # is the 3.0 release far away? 23.44.19 # Llorean: Yeah, I forgot I did that. I work lead tech at a tech support center and know how important it is to have EVERY bit of info 23.44.20 # you wouldn't believe the improvements on x5 after using an optimized one 23.44.37 # iobound_: it isnt really a goal anymore 23.44.40 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 23.44.45 # jhMikeS, the other problems with the sc606 is that it doesn't follow the full i2c specification 23.44.54 Join Slowking_Man [0] (n=slow@wikipedia/Slowking-Man) 23.45.10 # scorche: I think it should be though 23.45.11 # scorche, okay, but the difference between the late 2006 builds and tonight's build is massive! and I think this should be more widely announced :) 23.45.47 # Llorean: i wasnt offering an opinion...just a fact 23.45.47 # unless the only code that calls sc606_* functions is IRQ code, IRQs must be disabled by the non-irq code 23.46.11 # scorche: I'd really like to put together a plan of some sort for working toward 3.0, actually. Not involving dates, but specific goals of some sort, at least so there's something hanging over peoples' heads in a general way. 23.46.28 # But yeah, that's the only thing I can think of, all of my personal computers are running either Gentoo or Ubuntu. So, no iTunes on any of those, but hook it into her system so she can grab some of my music and BAM, everything's hosed. 23.46.30 # all the sc606 calls are done in one thread that is called durring the tick task 23.46.48 # How do I create a new wiki page? 23.46.49 # tick tasks aren't threads 23.46.56 # sorry, not thread 23.46.56 # Llorean: might be something to consider adding to the devcon idea list 23.47.02 # Llorean: IMO the two main aims for 3.0 should be: 1) Get rombox back for all the Archos devices; 2) Have a playback engine everyone is happy with 23.47.02 # i just told my ipod-shopping friend about rbx the other day and he hadn't heard about it, which is a shame (but he found it _very_ interesting). 23.47.04 # but tick task, irq code 23.47.12 # I mean sorry 23.47.14 # linuxstb: That's about how I feel too. 23.47.16 # np 23.47.19 # I think I will just work on making one and then if people don't want it, just delete it 23.47.50 # linuxstb: Basically, I'd like to put together a list of pre-freeze requirements. Something to say "We'll enter feature freeze when all of these are done." Of course, flexible enough to take into account changes. 23.47.52 # should probabyl fix that old comment then too 23.47.55 # H10_007quick, why not search for the old pages? I guess they are still around 23.48.08 # jhMikeS, did you say that you were having trouble exiting the timeout menu? 23.48.10 # My buttons died once though, so something knocked out 23.48.10 # hmm 23.48.20 # kurbjunk: yes 23.48.26 # anyway i'm going to go ahead and play with this new awesome toy, again thanks for the great work 23.48.29 # Alright, take care guys. 23.48.31 Quit Snic () 23.48.36 # what was the problem? 23.48.39 # And I think 3.0 should only had the H100/H300, for now. I'm not even sure the X5 is "release" ready yet, considering some of the hardware concerns relating to poor radio reception, and there's also the lack of dual boot. 23.48.50 # Well, previous targets + H100/300 23.49.01 Part maffe 23.49.11 # and H10\ 23.49.24 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 23.49.35 # Llorean: poor radio reception is typically due to poorly designed hardware 23.49.35 # If I Cancel, I have to push twice. If I push accept it just keeps going back to the menu 23.49.42 Quit iobound_ ("happy rockbox user!") 23.49.52 # i have no clue if it is this way on the x5, but just saying.. 23.50.36 # jhMikeS, that is strange, it's the same menu code that's used on the sansa, did you rerun configure? 23.50.36 # scorche: It's poorer than the original firmware. 23.50.44 # scorche: some changes I did help a lot for all targets in the US/Canada region but thing have to be done differenly for Europe for it to work correctly. 23.50.45 Quit ender` (" Marriage is not a word, it's a sentence. A life sentence...") 23.50.46 # I don't think you need to though.. 23.50.54 # rofl 23.50.59 # kurbjunk: I'll try it out 23.51.02 # hrm.. 23.51.07 # ender` finally quited 23.51.36 # adding it to euro devcon sounds like a good idea...we can have a large discussion about it 23.51.51 # building... 23.52.00 # Oh, by the way, scorche, can you give me contact info or a website for the Devcon-W hotel? I have a few things I need to ask them (to determine if I need to pack some stuff) 23.52.26 # * amiconn doesn't think we'd need dual boot support on a target to be release ready 23.52.28 # Llorean: i provided a link on the mails and the wiki page 23.52.34 # jhMikeS: that seems to be a menu bug introduced today 23.52.36 # amiconn: agreed 23.52.55 # scorche: Okay, hadn't looked yet. 23.52.56 # We don't even need to support all hardware 23.53.14 # Llorean: i am /still/ waiting on a call back from this guy...it is starting to piss me off...but it will save a lot of money =/ 23.53.14 # scorche: I'm going to try to get a stand-up whiteboard, since I think that could be quite useful. 23.53.17 # *iirc* the first release(s) for archos recorder didn't even support recording 23.53.40 # stability and usablility should be key factors 23.53.40 # But I've also heard that hotels can sometimes provide/loan similar things for conferences, so I figured I may as well check. 23.53.44 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/QuickStart would that be the "noob" page? 23.53.49 # good idea 23.53.51 # (iirc from reading back only - that was even before my time, which started with rockbox 2.0 on an archos recorder) 23.54.07 # jhMikeS, are you having trouble with other settings as well? 23.54.11 # H10_007quick: Have you answered as to what's missing from the manual, or what you think the page needs? 23.54.15 # was planning on doing something similar with hooking my computer to the hdtv, but that will work too =) 23.54.20 # H10_007quick, the h10 definitely won't be a 3.0 candidate 23.54.29 # petur: Yes. Apart from general stability there is one thing that needs to be done for X5 and M5, and that is power management 23.54.33 # scorche: A whiteboard is a bit more flexible for multiple users. 23.54.34 # (especially charging) 23.54.39 # indeed 23.54.43 # But I'm all for a combination of strategies 23.55.01 Quit Domonoky (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.55.18 # H10_007quick: No PortalPlayer target currently has even an inkling of a chance of becoming release-capable until some major problems are solved. 23.55.47 # like power management... 23.56.03 # Power Management and USB, I think. 23.56.03 # Llorean: Mainly just links to the various places for new people to find information that is not in the manual 23.56.04 # but what's the exact status of the x5? Wouldn't that be a 3.0 candidate? 23.56.11 # And the ability to play music with full EQ safely 23.56.20 # H10_007quick: What information needs to be in the manual, but isn't then? 23.56.22 # so markun/jhMikeS, in summary I need to look at the blip at the end of fading and the red build immediately 23.56.24 # H10_007quick: Why not just fix teh manual? 23.56.32 # H10_007quick, so what exactly are you missing in the manual? 23.56.55 # You guys just don't get it! 23.57.02 # putting the information at some random place isn't a good way imo, all necessary information should be in the manual 23.57.03 # The manual is good 23.57.08 # bluebrother: The X5 is on the edge. Its radio seems to be questionable, and it doesn't have dual boot yet still, which seems to be a sticking point for some users. So I think the X5 can easily be argued either wya 23.57.10 # and possibly the menu if that is due to my commit, but on my older svn tree that worked fine for me, I need to check it in the latest tree too 23.57.10 Part juxtap 23.57.18 # bluebrother: On X5 and M5 I don'tz trust rockbox at all regarding charging. I always charge in the cowon bootloader 23.57.26 # kurbjunk: I haven't had any yet...but it's hard to check them all out. I'm sure the button loss was due to my messing around with my patch though. 23.57.28 # H10_007quick: The manual is NOT good if it doesn't contain the information a "noob" needs. 23.57.39 # hmm -- no hardware controlled charging on x5? 23.57.42 # Not that rockbox will hurt the battery, but it will probably take ages to charge (if it charges at all) 23.57.43 # H10_007quick: Our definition of "good" for the manual somewhat requires that. 23.57.56 # I don't mean to add information to the wiki, but to organize it by making a page for all the new poeple 23.58.05 # jhMikeS, ok, I'll look into the blip and red build then 23.58.08 # the manual does not require the FAQ, but it requires everything to get started with Rockbox. 23.58.17 # bluebrother: It's a combination. The carging itself is hardware controlled, but current values can be changed by software 23.58.24 # H10_007quick: Again, why not fix the manual? What information is only available on the wiki, that you think noobs need? 23.58.32 # the page for the new people is the manual 23.58.39 # ah. 23.58.43 # * linuxstb benchmarks a random MP3 file as being 165% realtime on his ipod 23.58.53 # USB charging at 500mA needs quite special handling, which isn't done in rockbox afaik