--- Log for 09.05.107 Server: pratchett.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 7 days and 9 hours ago 00.00.10 # so it's not just my ears 00.00.43 # * scorche checks the logs 00.01.23 Quit petur (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.05.07 # i listen to music at -74 with my IEMs =P 00.05.32 # scorche: which DAP? 00.05.41 # that is mute ;) 00.05.47 # * scorche cheers for line outs 00.05.55 # I listen at about -55 to -60 with my PX100s which are open, but my apartment is very quiet usually. 00.08.13 # scorche: On my preferred dap(s), -74dB isn't mute :P 00.09.10 # amiconn: on my nano....unfortunately, my archos units are all out of commission until i break out the soldering iron 00.11.42 # Llorean: I listen at about the same volume in a quiet surrounding 00.12.19 # with open earplugs 00.12.27 # i'm just playing with the ffmpeg wma decoder now, and noticed something odd 00.12.39 # Archos player goes to -78dB, Irivers to -84dB. The other archoses could go down to -115dB but rockbox 'only' goes to -100dB for display reasons 00.12.57 # it seems to decode some files encoded with the WME tool, but not ones encoded with WMA11 00.13.13 # is there some difference? 00.13.30 # There are several WMA format versions afaik 00.13.43 # yeah but foobar reports them both as wma std 00.13.53 # It's quite possible that the ffmpeg codec doesn't decode the newest ones 00.14.03 # though oddly one shows up as "wma v2" and the other as "wma9" 00.14.29 # Windows media player does display the WMA version 00.14.49 # well I downloaded the version I have now ages ago, so maybe this is fixed, just I'm really confused about why these files are different 00.15.13 # god damn it 00.15.47 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.99.208) 00.15.49 # wmp reports the broken one as a pro file 00.15.52 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC") 00.15.56 Join saratoga [0] (i=98039ac0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-515e76dc5c590983) 00.16.25 # wmp reports the broken one as a WMA Pro file, so nevermind 00.17.36 Join Rincewind^moep [0] (n=xchatter@i3ED6EE75.versanet.de) 00.17.45 Nick Rincewind^moep is now known as Rincewind (n=xchatter@i3ED6EE75.versanet.de) 00.17.56 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@adsl-67-64-104-112.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 00.18.08 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Media_Audio 00.18.43 # Llorean: did you have a look at my Runtime scaling patch? 00.19.16 # Rincewind: I've really done very little Rockbox related in the past few weeks, sorry. I haven't looked at it at all. 00.19.18 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 00.21.15 # WMA is actually quite a collection of different codecs 00.21.21 # I think it does what you said to be a solution when we last talked about the issue 00.23.05 # Rincewind: Sounds good. I will look at it at some point, I'm sure. I've just been quite busy. 00.23.42 # dumb question, but if ffmpeg returns a buffer of 2048 samples, is it likely theres 1024 left and then 1024 right samples, or is LRLRLRLRLRLR... more likely 00.24.39 Join webguest67789456 [0] (i=415fb835@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-73ee2f1c15044041) 00.24.44 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 00.24.47 # hi 00.24.50 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 00.24.52 # jdGordon had a look at the patch, but apart from that I got very little response to it yet. 00.25.09 # can you play GBA? or just GBC 00.25.42 # you cannot play GBA games 00.26.01 # webguest67789456: you can also play the old gamboy roms (non-color) 00.26.32 # ok thxs 00.26.34 Quit webguest67789456 (Client Quit) 00.29.31 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC") 00.29.59 Quit Thundercloud__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.32.16 Quit ender` (" Programming is like sex becuse: 3. It takes another experienced person to really appreciate what you’re doing.") 00.32.56 Quit bospaadje ("great minds run in great circles") 00.33.36 Join bospaadje [0] (n=bospaadj@ip82-139-84-212.lijbrandt.net) 00.33.56 Quit idnar (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 00.34.25 Quit bospaadje (Client Quit) 00.34.34 Quit Rincewind_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.34.53 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 00.35.38 Join idnar [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 00.36.15 Join bospaadje [0] (n=bospaadj@ip82-139-84-212.lijbrandt.net) 00.37.48 Quit Ave (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 00.38.17 Quit Jon-Kha (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 00.44.29 Join Entasis [0] (i=Jarred@ppp166-176.lns11.adl2.internode.on.net) 00.45.18 Join Ave [0] (i=ave@a91-152-238-56.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 00.45.20 Quit Soap (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.45.24 Quit entheh ("^~") 00.46.02 Join Soap [0] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 00.46.14 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 00.46.35 Part TrueJournals 00.47.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.59.26 Join Jon-Kha [0] (n=Jon-Kha@a91-152-87-243.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 01.03.18 Join Rincewind_ [0] (n=xchatter@i3ED6E37E.versanet.de) 01.06.18 Quit DerPapst ("So Long And Thanks For All The Fish!") 01.06.59 Quit Entasis ("Leaving") 01.15.02 Quit Rincewind (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01.15.59 # markun: because 01.16.32 Join Rincewind [0] (n=xchatter@i3ED6E16E.versanet.de) 01.17.10 Nick Xerion_ is now known as Xerion (i=xerion@vhe-382201.sshn.net) 01.19.54 Join buleeahn [0] (n=buleeahn@cuervo.unwiredbuyer.com) 01.22.05 # I've noticed an odd habit of rockbix on my ipod lately... 01.22.21 # When the idle time is exceeded and the powersaving kicks in it's as if it totally powers down. 01.22.34 # The next time I power the ipod back up it's as if it's a fresh boot. 01.22.47 # Is there any way to get rockbox to mimic the default apple firmware in this regard? 01.22.51 # No. 01.24.44 # Ok. 01.24.51 # Llorean Thanks. 01.25.10 Quit Rincewind_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01.26.26 Join H10_007quick [0] (n=chatzill@mnet-ki-244-78-181.monarch.net) 01.30.27 Quit Rincewind ("Cya") 01.32.27 Quit spiorf ("Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)") 01.33.49 Join matt___ [0] (n=matt@75.136.223.186) 01.34.06 # just installed rockbox on my ipod video 5th gen, i love it. however, what sohuld the battery setting be? 01.34.28 # Doesn't matter, it doesn't affect anything useful at the moment. 01.34.28 # that function isn't working properly. 01.34.37 # there is no "correct" setting at this time. 01.35.10 # Soap: Llorean both of you talking to me? you mean i should just set it to the lowest possible? 01.35.24 # We mean that you don't need to mess with it at all, it's useless right now 01.35.27 Part krush1704 01.35.29 # where is the best place to look to start playing about with rockbox code, i looked in docs and the api one said it was obselete, but is there an equivalent, cause i couldnt find one 01.35.35 # Llorean: ok, thanks. 01.35.36 Join krush1704 [0] (n=andikrus@p57BB4038.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 01.35.39 Part krush1704 01.35.42 # yes we are both talking to you, no you shouldn't set it to the lowest. 01.36.23 # Soap: what should it be then, if it is too high, well, bad for the battery. but Llorean says it does nothing. 01.36.47 # badsheepy: did you download the source code? 01.36.55 # yes i have been meddling in it 01.36.57 # it does nothing - forget you saw the setting. 01.37.16 # badsheepy: and are you able to compile rockbox? 01.37.19 # yeah 01.38.00 # is there anything in particular you want to work on? 01.38.01 # i have been trying to add a setting but after modifying like 5 different files it still doesnt show up, so i was looking for an overview or something so i can see what i have missed without having to read the entire source first :) 01.38.03 # matt___: Seriously, it doesn't affect anything. The setting is used to estimate how much battery lifetime is left, in hours and minutes, but is entirely incorrect for iPods. It doesn't affect how the battery is used at all. 01.38.46 # not really, i havent used c in so long i can barely remember how to use a pointer, im just interested in meddling with it a bit for now 01.38.49 # matt___: just ignore the setting 01.38.49 # Llorean: thank you for knowing. :) 01.39.10 # so, where can i find "icons" 01.39.17 # the default site seems to be down 01.39.31 Part toffe82 01.41.09 # What default site is that? 01.41.13 # The official site seems to be working fine. 01.42.39 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 01.44.04 Quit matt___ ("Lost terminal") 01.50.12 # Is there a way to reorder the main menu selections? Or would that be a sourcecode change that would require compiling? 01.51.59 Quit H10_007quick ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030916]") 01.52.01 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.52.16 # buleeahn: There is currently a patch in Flyspray for this. Yes, it would require compiling. Right now it seems as though it is a feature that will never be included in SVN because it is a feature that "would be too hard to support" 01.52.32 # See: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6718 01.53.28 # TrueJournals: It also increases binary size and complexity 01.53.49 # but itd be nice :) 01.54.11 # "Nice" isn't always good enough, when there are other considerations as well 01.54.14 # Llorean: I've heard binary size mentioned once, never heard complexity mentioned (and not sure what you mean by this...), really the main reason I've heard is a support issue... 01.54.36 # TrueJournals: Complexity, as in, the code becomes more complex. 01.54.37 # But it's possible and I'm confident I can dig thru the code when I have the time. 01.54.38 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 01.54.49 # TrueJournals: Thanks! :) 01.54.51 # Llorean: Ah, I see 01.54.55 # No problem ;-) 01.55.16 # There's just not a good argument for it, other than "It'd be nice", and it makes things a bit nasty in a few areas. 01.55.59 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@c-71-205-145-105.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 01.56.12 # Well, I suppose I can't help there, but that's something I'd like to see posted to FS. If you just read the FS entry, it seems like the only arguement is really a support issue. 01.56.32 # I suppose I could just close it with "Rejected" and be done with it... 01.57.02 # Llorean: I'm curious by what you mean by "makes the code more complex"... 01.57.04 Quit Arathis (Remote closed the connection) 01.57.27 # Llorean: Do you mean that the functionality to allow the menu to be customized would be too complex? 01.57.31 # Er... 01.57.33 # I mean... 01.57.33 # buleeahn: Makes it harder for people to read and understand what's happening in the menu code, as well as adding new menus or creating their own ones, generally. 01.57.45 # Allow the menu to be changed from within rockbox. 01.58.02 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484A5E4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 01.58.14 # Ok, so simply modifying the source code and changing the order of the main menu shouldn't be too challenging. 01.58.35 # It shouldn't be. 01.59.50 Join Hilikus [0] (n=ROCKERO@bas4-montreal19-1242419325.dsl.bell.ca) 01.59.58 # hey guys 02.00.13 # Hey 02.00.21 # hey 02.00.33 # can someone help me compile a windows sim under linux, if i follow the method in the wiki it creates a linux sum 02.00.35 # sim* 02.00.59 Join nediyim [0] (n=nediyim@88.247.5.132) 02.01.04 # hi 02.01.20 # hi 02.01.43 # Hilikus: Did you follow the instructions at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UiSimulator#Building_Windows_sim_in_Linux ? 02.02.58 # no, i followed http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling 02.03.04 # im going to check that one 02.03.45 Quit moos ("Glory to Rockbox") 02.04.34 Join Thundercloud__ [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.175.202) 02.04.47 Quit Arathis (Remote closed the connection) 02.05.52 # I couldn't find any licence information about rockbox... does anyone know anything about this issue? 02.06.13 # What issue, exactly? 02.06.21 # what is the license of rockbox? 02.06.23 # It's GPL licensed and contains the appropriate notification. 02.06.44 # great 02.07.34 # but I assume an appropriate notification should include a page in web also :) 02.08.56 # not really... 02.09.53 # The source code itself is GPL licensed, as is the program, so the licenses are included with both of those 02.10.02 Quit [steveo] () 02.10.46 Quit Hilikus ("Estoy usando el Ambar-Script v1.1, yo lo cree y me quedo muy bacano, bajatelo de http://pagina.de/deporcali | There are 10 ki) 02.12.26 Part pixelma 02.12.55 Join Brunellus [0] (n=luigi@unaffiliated/brunellus) 02.14.54 Quit charkins (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.15.58 Join Hilikus [0] (n=rockero@bas4-montreal19-1242419325.dsl.bell.ca) 02.16.52 # I actually downloaded the tarball but there's only one licence.txt which is related to dumb codec 02.16.57 # and it's not gpl... 02.17.08 # where is that appropriate notification in source code? 02.17.31 # docs/COPYING 02.17.58 Quit Thundercloud_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.18.03 # yep I got it, thanks... 02.18.32 # I forgot to grep copy :) 02.18.46 # but really I would put the licence information in web also... 02.18.51 # it's useful 02.19.37 # Well, technically it's there 02.19.40 # http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/docs/COPYING?view=markup 02.19.44 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 02.20.30 # I was trying to say that it would be useful like in documentation etc. :) 02.20.36 # but doesn't matter at all.. 02.21.18 # the manual is under the GFDL and it is in there 02.22.47 # The GPL is in the manual as well 02.23.06 # I should be missed it... Anyway it seems to be a great project... 02.23.45 # I hate the iPod is just playing mp3 where I prefer flac and ogg... and a solution like this is more than my every expectation... 02.24.01 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@24-117-195-16.cpe.cableone.net) 02.26.13 Join jhulst_ [0] (n=jhulst@c-71-205-145-105.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 02.26.30 # does anyone here use the contacts plugin? 02.30.17 # good day everyone.. 02.30.19 Part nediyim 02.31.58 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@ppp-71-142-14-121.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net) 02.32.07 # :S that plugin has a lot of compile errors 02.34.31 # i feel mighty stupid in that i didnt realise the sim ignored the firmware in the virtual drive and needed compiling 02.34.45 # but at least now im not confused as to why nothing changed no matter what i do :D 02.36.48 # why were all the defines in menu.h removed? 02.37.12 # in feb 2007 02.37.40 # Hilikus: What does the commit message for that change say? 02.38.46 # jhMikeS ? 02.39.01 # beginning of the new menu system. 02.39.07 # hmmm 02.39.16 Quit jhulst (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.39.46 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 02.39.52 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 02.40.26 Join JdGor|uni [0] (i=82c20d66@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-926ce78f84bcd7b5) 02.40.28 Join mrk [0] (n=mrk@adsl-69-153-135-218.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 02.40.56 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@cpe-74-71-205-222.twcny.res.rr.com) 02.41.19 # stupid bloody non standard usb cable :'( codec error and no cable so im stuck in the OF today 02.42.30 # lol 02.43.09 # JdGor|uni: aww, poor dear. You will survive! 02.43.19 # I'm probably going to try to do album art again today. I mean, it shouldn't be that, bad, but I *really* don't know what I'm doing. So when I go to actually start it and get it done, I just give up at the beginning, because I don't know where to start.... 02.43.23 # barely.. the OF is really crap :) 02.43.42 # JdGor|uni: what player do you have? 02.43.47 # The Sansa I'm guessing 02.43.52 Join digerati1338 [0] (n=Mike@70-59-30-108.hlrn.qwest.net) 02.43.54 # yep, th sansa 02.43.58 # In which case he's entirely right, the OF is one of the most painful I've used. 02.44.07 # ah, ok. know nothing about them. 02.44.24 # OK... I need a bit of help.... where does SDL install to by default? 02.44.43 # linux or windows? 02.44.49 # Under linux, for windows 02.45.05 # ? 02.45.14 # vmware I thinks he means 02.45.23 # Not really 02.45.29 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UiSimulator#Building_Windows_sim_in_Linux 02.45.43 # ah, cant help you threr 02.46.16 # trying to follow those directions... but since I run linux under coLinux with no X server, I will never need to compile the sim for Linux, so I just left out the "--prefix=$SDLDIR" on the ./configure command... now I can't figure out where SDL is 02.46.56 # Ah, think I just found it 02.47.44 # Nevermind, got it 02.47.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.48.12 # good! 02.48.17 # Just one quick question now... How do I keep my path even after logging out/logging in/rebooting? 02.49.26 Quit Brunellus ("Ex-Chat") 02.49.34 # put it in your login script.. 02.49.39 # .bashcr 02.49.44 # .bashrc 02.49.52 # OK, let me try that... 02.50.07 # .profile for me 02.50.18 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.195.237) 02.50.51 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484A5E4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 02.53.25 # That worked, thanks :-D 02.55.43 Quit donutman25 ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 02.56.59 # http://www.digg.com/gadgets/Audio_Menus_for_iPods#c6584670 02.57.06 # ;-) 03.05.03 # linuxstb: you there ? 03.05.06 Quit Thundercloud__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.05.12 Join earHertz [0] (n=chatzill@65.244.175.100) 03.05.52 # senab ever come her? 03.06.21 # earHertz: I remember seeing him here but I don't remember him talking 03.06.33 # thanks 03.06.34 Join hcs [0] (i=8006532d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-588a3fd8d0cb9d32) 03.06.40 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.07.33 # hey Nico_P! 03.07.51 # Joely: hi 03.07.53 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 03.08.00 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54b1476e.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.09.10 # hehe i'm working on a good looking prototype of the ir module! i'm obsessive and determined to get this working :) 03.09.26 Join webguest74 [0] (i=c9e95a55@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b7d3de56fbaabe37) 03.09.54 Quit webguest74 (Client Quit) 03.10.10 # nice 03.10.22 # any code yet ? 03.11.34 # well i still don't know what to do...plugin...codec, either i don't remember what the consensus was or no one is excited enough to give me an answer :-P 03.11.45 # i'm in ur module workin on ur prototypez 03.14.41 Join webguest74 [0] (i=c9e95a55@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-bb5ff18090ccaeb5) 03.14.45 # Joely: plugin 03.16.34 Part digerati1338 03.17.44 Part TrueJournals 03.18.02 # hello 03.18.05 # someone there? 03.18.12 Join earHertz_ [0] (n=chatzill@65.244.175.100) 03.18.16 Join WaReZ_LaD [0] (i=l0de@ool-4570f41a.dyn.optonline.net) 03.18.17 # webguest74: yup. there are people here 03.18.47 Join Guile` [0] (n=Guile@84.7.92.77) 03.19.05 # Hello I am looking for a confirm\deny on rumors that development on the 80gb has finally been abandoned 03.19.10 # hi 03.19.15 # WaReZ_LaD: Deny 03.19.16 # hi 03.19.23 # can you anwer me a question? 03.19.24 # hokay, thanks. 03.19.59 # webguest74: all you have to do is just ask a question. no need to ask to ask 03.21.00 # Alonea: I used to always type that myself until I realized that "yes" was only three keystrokes :] 03.21.43 # WaReZ_LaD: I don't mind typing it out. 03.21.52 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.195.237) 03.21.56 # why i cant play music in my ipod nano wen i chargin it whit a wall charger? 03.22.40 # sorry, I don't know anything at all about ipods. 03.24.29 # ok 03.24.30 # tks 03.25.18 # whith rockbox i cant play because it goes to disk mode wen im chargin it with usb 03.25.21 # can you plug it in when its off, when i do that wih the pc usb cable it boots into rockbox with the c\able connected 03.25.22 # why? 03.25.39 # i dont know if it charges though, i never tried 03.25.45 # hmm is voltage scaling for audio stable? i would assume that the power management is pretty good...but just want to make sure before i go and buy my 1 Amp / 1 Watt LEDs to find out i went a _lot_ overboard. i have a driver that takes input from .7 to 5.5, and i really want to conserve battery 03.26.32 # webguest74: Just hold Menu while you plug in the cable 03.30.42 Quit webguest74 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03.30.49 Nick n17ikh is now known as n17ikh|Lappy (n=n17ikh@c-76-23-114-46.hsd1.sc.comcast.net) 03.32.04 Quit WaReZ_LaD () 03.33.43 Join kkurbjun [0] (n=kkurbjun@c-71-56-227-141.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 03.35.45 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.36.20 Quit Guile (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.38.01 Quit earHertz (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.38.58 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 03.39.04 Join earHertz__ [0] (n=chatzill@65.244.175.100) 03.39.05 Nick earHertz__ is now known as earHertz (n=chatzill@65.244.175.100) 03.40.18 Quit hax (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 03.42.10 Join kennethd [0] (n=kenneth@cpe-66-65-80-62.nyc.res.rr.com) 03.49.42 Join hax [0] (n=hax@web.atl.citynetwireless.net) 03.51.04 Join H10_007quick [0] (n=chatzill@mnet-ki-244-78-181.monarch.net) 03.51.13 Join earHertz__ [0] (n=chatzill@65.244.175.100) 03.52.04 # Does anybody here know were I can find info on the H10 scroll pad? I'm sure that there has been work done, ie. testing voltage etc. But I can't find it! 03.52.40 # Or do I have to wait for barrywardell? 03.52.40 Quit JdGor|uni ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03.54.50 Join OFfSprngr [0] (i=Omar@535411FE.cable.casema.nl) 03.56.23 Quit earHertz_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.59.13 Quit Alonea (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04.05.09 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.06.14 Quit Thundercloud_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04.07.51 Join JdGor|uni [0] (i=82c20d68@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-dfa526f9af6123fd) 04.08.03 # daurn: ping? 04.08.13 # Llorean: did you try out toni's sd card patch? 04.09.54 Quit JdGor|uni (Client Quit) 04.10.17 Join JdGor|uni [0] (i=82c20d68@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a730a5ad9405f9f5) 04.12.22 # Not yet, been very busy 04.12.54 Quit hcs ("CGI:IRC") 04.13.01 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 04.13.26 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@ppp-71-142-14-121.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net) 04.13.34 Quit earHertz__ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04.15.32 Join earHertz__ [0] (n=chatzill@65.244.175.100) 04.20.39 Quit earHertz (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.21.07 Join earHertz___ [0] (n=chatzill@65.244.175.100) 04.21.09 Nick earHertz___ is now known as earHertz (n=chatzill@65.244.175.100) 04.23.08 Part buleeahn ("Leaving") 04.25.34 Join perldiver [0] (n=say@cpe-72-225-231-80.nyc.res.rr.com) 04.28.56 # Anyone? 04.28.57 Quit mbr (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04.29.03 # Does anybody here know were I can find info on the H10 scroll pad? I'm sure that there has been work done, ie. testing voltage etc. But I can't find it! 04.29.43 Quit pearldiver (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.31.01 # H10_007quick: What kind of info? 04.31.32 # Like, what do you mean by testing voltage? Testing the voltage that powers the scrollpad? 04.31.37 # H10_007quick: did you look in the wiki? 04.35.58 Part TrueJournals 04.38.48 # Hi all, I have a new iaudio x5, and have two questions: 1st, when I connect the usb cable to my thinkpad t42 (debian etch/2.6.18-3-686), I get "device not accepting address 26, error -71"... what is that? & 2nd, my sarge/2.6.16.11 system sees it ok, but before I mount it, I want to make sure... it's a vfat partition, right? (& 3rd, does rockbox support ext3/symlinks?) 04.40.42 Quit earHertz__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.40.43 # its fat32 AFAIK 04.40.53 # and no, not ext3 04.43.06 Quit JdGor|uni ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 04.43.40 # ahhh, yes it mounted fine as vfat... exciting! thanks Hilikus 04.47.10 # scorche: Yes I looked at the wiki, I need test results for the reading of the H10 scroll pad. It needs lots of improvement but I need info on it 04.47.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.48.30 # you will likely want to catch barrywardell and ask him, or you can perform your own tests 04.49.14 # thats what I was afraid of! 04.54.32 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 05.02.58 Quit Slowking_Man (Client Quit) 05.09.39 # ok, I'm looking to write a code that will read the value of the scroll pad (which is already out there by barry) but to also have it read a second time about .25 sec latter to then take the avarage of the result. How would I tell the function to do that? 05.09.55 # I know how to do some of it 05.10.04 # just the reading it twice part 05.10.51 # How are the results formatted? If it's just an integer getting an average should be dead simple... 05.10.58 # is there special code for time? 05.11.11 # its a number 05.11.21 # but the problem is not taking an avarage 05.11.32 # its getting the two numbers in the first place 05.11.47 # where can i find info about the new menu api? 05.11.58 # currently the instant value is used 05.12.06 # Well, you could use sleep or yield or udelay to get it to wait the desired time 05.12.57 # Hilikus: It's not really that well documented, a good place to learn about it might be the code that uses it, or if in doubt ask JdGordon 05.14.30 # :S 05.14.42 # is it very different from the old api? 05.15.02 # i just need to port a plugin to the new api 05.15.06 # Quite a bit. 05.15.18 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@24-117-195-16.cpe.cableone.net) 05.15.20 # :( 05.15.21 # But it's not hard to use or learn 05.15.50 # so right now it has a varialbe data = blah if I added data1 = {yield .25, data} it would read two values? 05.18.10 # No, you do data = blah;\n yield(0.25*HZ);\n data1 = blah; 05.23.52 # hey guys, is the progress bar like text in terms of the layout or can i give it X, Y coordinates? this is in a wps 05.24.21 # cause i see %pb has 4 arguments but the wiki is not clear what they are 05.24.44 # and from what i have tried theres no way to move the bar just a little bit 05.25.55 # %pb|height|leftpos|rightpos|toppos| 05.26.16 # %pb|height|leftpos|rightpos|toppos| 05.26.19 # lol 05.27.26 # is toppos = Y?? 05.27.34 # I'd guess so. 05.27.48 # and to take the avarage of data and data1 it would be data_avg = ((data+data1),/2) ? 05.27.57 Quit Viljar ("Whoops..") 05.27.58 # and width would be right-left? 05.28.23 # you dont need a comma 05.28.29 # oh 05.28.48 # ((data+data1)/2) ? 05.28.53 # yes 05.28.57 # ok 05.29.02 # I will give it a shot 05.29.20 # Hilikus: Yes, I think so, but it seems like a very strange way to do it... 05.29.53 # aliask: have you actually tried the last param to vertically position the bar?? im pretty sure i tried that yesterday and it didnt work 05.29.57 # im gonna try again 05.30.13 # I've never made a WPS. I'm not familiar with the WPS code either. 05.30.26 # I'm just telling you what it says in the Wiki. 05.30.36 # from my tests the last param was never used, nothing changed if the last param was 0 or 999 05.34.18 # actually the wiki IS wrong, the first param is 0 and it is not 0 height 05.34.32 # and the last param doesnt seem to do anything either 05.36.04 Join earHertz___ [0] (n=chatzill@65.244.175.100) 05.37.04 Quit jhulst_ (Remote closed the connection) 05.37.19 Join jhulst_ [0] (n=jhulst@c-71-205-145-105.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 05.37.21 Part Hilikus 05.37.23 Join Hilikus [0] (n=rockero@bas4-montreal19-1242419325.dsl.bell.ca) 05.38.52 # :@ 05.39.13 # that doesnt make sense to me 05.47.12 Quit earHertz (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.51.56 Join webguest15 [0] (i=186e1ca2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6372a40631b242f4) 05.52.10 # Hello 05.53.41 # hey there webguest15 05.53.41 Quit webguest15 (Client Quit) 05.55.45 Quit RaRe` ("Quit msgs should be longer.") 05.58.36 Join RaRe [0] (n=Laffin_B@202-89-187-101.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) 06.07.59 Quit Alonea (Remote closed the connection) 06.09.01 # data = blah;\n yield(0.25*HZ);\n data1 = blah; is not doing what I want it to do 06.09.31 # What's going wrong then? 06.10.30 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@24-117-195-16.cpe.cableone.net) 06.11.23 # I want data to equal the function at 0 seconds and data1 to equal the function at .25 seconds 06.11.40 # yield stops the thread right? 06.12.34 # Yes, it passes the control over to the thread scheduler and it should return in 0.25 seconds 06.13.09 # I don't think that that will work for a button 06.15.07 # Try udelay(25) then (or should that be 250...?) 06.15.56 # However that will cause a hard coded delay in the button driver, not sure if this is noticeable though. 06.16.54 # ya so you click and it doesn't do anything for .25 secs right? 06.17.06 # Yep 06.17.11 # hmm 06.21.14 # ok, another dumb question... I'm not seeing in the manual where to copy music to... the only directory I see with a "ls -lA" is .rockbox, does it matter where I copy my music to? 06.22.19 # music can go anywere but best to not put it in a hidden folder, ie .rockbox 06.22.58 # H10_007quick: cool, thanks... just checking 06.23.25 # aliask: to test if data1 is not 0 I would do if (!data1=0) right? 06.25.23 # or (data1!=0) ? 06.26.36 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp137-117.adsl.forthnet.gr) 06.28.14 # == 06.28.16 # not = 06.28.34 # but if its NOT zero is != 0 06.29.26 # ok 06.30.08 # oh man, i really think the whole wps system is terrible, i would love to help design a new way 06.30.30 # i read the idea for the new one but it seems its some guys idea 06.30.55 # The problem with redoing the WPS is that all the old WPS files would not work. 06.31.03 # i know :S 06.31.28 # but line based is annoying, moving text by adding empty lines is DOS 06.32.17 # im sure we could come up with a backwards compatible way 06.33.41 # but i dont know if im wrong but it seems rb is more like, some developers have their own part of the project theyre familiar with, and only them can change or do anything that will at the end get commited, not really a "community" project 06.34.06 # the others are stuck with writting hacks 06.34.20 # I disagree with that, but the knowledge is quite segmented. 06.34.37 # Rockbox is pretty huge, I don't think any one person is familiar with the whole thing 06.35.12 # to divide by two I have to use 0x2 right? 06.35.34 # Nope. 06.35.38 # oh 06.35.41 # thats ok, but i dont even see teams working on a subsystem, i keep hearing, ooh, thats johns part, oh thats X part, if one guy is in charge of redesigning the wps system i think thats too much for 1 guy 06.36.10 # but im pretty new around here so my impression could be wrong 06.36.49 # I suppose there is that to a certain extent, but I'm sure that if you put forward a proposal, people will come forward to help out. 06.37.01 # is there ever some kind of, brainstorm, "how do we solve/fix X" ? 06.37.12 # Yep 06.37.16 # oh cool 06.37.20 # And it usually happens here 06.37.26 # i c 06.37.42 # Do you usually come to IRC this time? 06.37.47 # yes 06.37.55 # This is probably the quietest part of the day 06.38.00 # ooh 06.38.10 # theyre in europe? 06.38.24 # A lot of people are, yes. 06.38.32 # :S 06.39.38 # well, thanks for the info aliask, i think i will try to get to know the api by (re)writing a plugin one of these days 06.39.55 # this project is awesome 06.40.26 # cover art + replaygained collection = the best dap experience ever! 06.40.40 # oh and random album 06.40.48 # love them 06.40.55 # good night everyone 06.40.57 Quit H10_007quick ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030916]") 06.41.03 # G'night 06.41.14 Part Hilikus 06.42.31 Join livingtm [0] (n=livingtm@cpe-74-67-15-162.nycap.res.rr.com) 06.42.47 # Im sure this is a newb question... can I listen to my ipod while its charging on USB? 06.43.35 # livingtm: Hold menu while inserting the USB cable 06.43.48 # aliask, sweet thanks. 06.44.11 # VERY cool. 06.44.26 # Ive had about an hour with RockBox and the more i use it the more i like it! 06.44.43 # cant seem to get my itunes cover art to show up though 06.45.20 # aliask, any way to reverse that logic? so menu + usb = disk mode? 06.45.30 # Nope 06.45.51 # hm. ok 06.46.09 # Cover art is only available in custom builds 06.46.15 # (at the moment) 06.46.40 # i have the a jbuild from one of the authors of a theme on the rockbox site 06.46.55 # but i dont get the art 06.47.31 # Ah ok. Well I don't have any experience with it, sorry... 06.47.38 # ok thx 06.47.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.51.35 Quit ptw419 () 07.03.31 # Is it better to leave my media in the itunes file structure, or clear that out and start over with a clean folder 07.03.44 # What do you mean by "better" 07.03.56 # are there any advantages or disadvantages 07.04.27 # i guess one disadvantage would be that booting into the apple firmware wouldnt recognize a non-apple database 07.04.36 # Yep. 07.04.41 # database stores things with random names, makes playlists mostly unusable 07.05.23 # badsheepy, so if i dont plan on using the apple firmware, i should put my media in a regular folder/filename structure? 07.06.12 # thats what i have done on mine 07.06.34 # I may do that.. seems like it makes so much more sense. 07.06.34 # there might be a way around it i dont know of though 07.07.03 # i should be able to play me "video podcast" .m4v files shouldnt I? 07.08.29 # no idea 07.08.43 # or the photos that were on the ipod 07.09.33 # daurn: you round? 07.11.56 Quit desowin (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.16.11 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 07.26.24 Part toffe82 07.33.15 Join corsair [0] (n=user@221.226.2.104) 07.33.27 Quit corsair ("ERC Version 5.1.4 (IRC client for Emacs)") 07.36.30 Quit perldiver (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 07.36.35 Quit Alonea ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007040314]") 07.39.21 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host99-204-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 07.39.52 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@24-117-195-16.cpe.cableone.net) 07.42.43 Quit Alonea (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.47.09 Quit himitsu (Remote closed the connection) 07.48.10 Join himitsu [0] (n=himitsu@61.213.184.127) 07.50.05 Part kaaloo 07.52.07 Quit darkless (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.55.11 Join pearldiver [0] (n=say@cpe-72-225-231-80.nyc.res.rr.com) 07.57.08 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 08.05.57 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m180.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 08.26.16 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 08.27.29 Quit nvz1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.30.52 Join br3nda|mobile [0] (n=brenda@leibniz.catalyst.net.nz) 08.41.18 Quit br3nda|mobile (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.47.51 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.48.23 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 08.48.34 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.164.ptr.us.xo.net) 08.49.43 Join bluebrother [0] (i=RFS7vZp3@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 08.50.29 # Llorean: thanks for rejecting FS#6718 :) But shouldn't we reject FS#5700 too? 08.53.02 # bluebrother: linky? 08.53.44 # ah, nevermind 08.56.10 Quit miepchen^schlaf ("Verlassend") 08.57.34 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B150F7.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.59.44 Quit earHertz___ ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 09.02.09 # bbl 09.03.54 # hrrrrm 09.04.08 # 'Follow playlist' doesn't seem to work at all :( 09.04.40 Quit mrk ("I HAVE GO") 09.05.30 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF76BA.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.08.48 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b38bdb036d26fe30) 09.09.28 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 09.09.52 # seems like the follow playlist implementation is a really fragile one 09.10.07 Quit alienbiker99 ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 09.10.11 # It's most probably a wps issue 09.10.39 # The wps just needs to tell the path to the file browser afaiu 09.10.46 Join chrisjs169|brb [0] (n=jack@pool-71-114-131-29.hrbgpa.dsl-w.verizon.net) 09.10.49 Quit YouCeyE (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.11.38 # bluebrother: Done. 09.12.48 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjorn@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 09.13.44 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84.255.206.8) 09.14.14 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 09.14.40 # amiconn: yes, but afaiu, it isn't trivial to make the browser update the location from that path 09.14.48 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.15.41 # because of how the code is written, and how it was changed for the mainmenu 09.16.26 # Well it worked for quite some time in the past 09.16.50 # It looks like something was just forgotten to adapt 09.18.32 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 09.19.12 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-83e60ecadc3b7806) 09.19.33 # let's hope you're right 09.20.59 Join bawb2_ [0] (n=bawb2@17.14.124.24.cm.sunflower.com) 09.21.25 # is this as a result of the playback changes ? Or something else ? 09.23.24 Quit chrisjs169 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.24.42 # hmm - isn't discussion of DRM circumvention a banned subject in the forums ? 09.24.59 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 09.25.27 Quit bawb2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.25.57 # hmm... works here as long as music is playing (going back to file browser) but it doesn't work correctly when I stop (rev. 13357). I think it worked correctly not so long ago... 09.27.51 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 09.30.49 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.36.43 Quit darkless (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 09.40.31 Part maffe 09.41.35 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 09.42.47 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 09.43.30 Quit kkurbjun ("Leaving.") 09.45.04 Quit jhulst_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 09.46.45 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54967477.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.47.04 Quit bawb2_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.49.59 Part maffe 09.53.51 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 09.55.06 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 09.56.55 # LinusN: no, it is easy to set the file browser path from the current file 09.57.01 # set_current_file() iirc 09.57.04 # or something like that 09.59.58 # ok, then i wonder what the problem may be 10.00.51 # just coz its easy.. doesnt mean its being done :p 10.06.48 Join nvz1 [0] (i=a@cpe-24-24-93-5.stny.res.rr.com) 10.06.54 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barry@dhcp-892b9ade.ucd.ie) 10.07.26 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@unaffiliated/youceye) 10.09.04 Join tucoz [0] (n=tucoz@rockbox/staff/tucoz) 10.09.42 # Any devcon attendees around? 10.10.08 # * pixelma puts hand up (but not for long) 10.10.19 # I wonder if i could set up a devcon207talk page. To be able to add some thought to the agenda 10.10.28 # 2007 10.10.55 # which devcon? =P 10.10.57 # I wondered if it would be feasible to use a different namespace some time ago 10.10.58 # either 10.11.04 # :) 10.11.25 # we could split that page in two. west/international 10.11.42 # not Main/DevCon2007 but Talk/DevCon2007, and possibly auto-add links to the talk namespace to all pages 10.11.51 # aha. i see 10.11.51 # but I don't know if that's possible at all. 10.12.11 # i dont think it is really necessary 10.12.52 # I don't think it's absolutely necessary too, but it might be helpful 10.12.59 # couldn't you put it in the agenda itself? 10.13.01 # unless it's a pain to set that up ;-) 10.13.16 # pixelma, i dont want to mess with that page, 10.13.19 # i think the space int he respective pages is enough 10.13.57 # i am afraid of clutter. but if you think its fine, ill do that 10.14.21 # sorry for the missing apostrophes, i have some weird keyboard setup 10.14.44 # if there needs to be discussion, i think discussing it in here would be ample space 10.15.03 # really most of the discussion will take place at the actual con 10.15.23 # i have very little time to hang around on irc unfortunatley. But, i just wanted to chip in my thoughts on the 3.0 point 10.15.50 # and thoughts stick better in the wiki, than in here i think 10.15.53 # oh...that...i would just plan on being in IRC during the con 10.16.20 # btw, any news on the skype idea? 10.16.21 # irc is annoying... im hoping we can d skype for the discussio parts of devcon 10.16.42 # bluebrother: i could easily do it for west, but i cant speak for euro 10.16.47 # i think skype would be great. i tried to join a conference call some time ago, and it worked great 10.16.59 # it was like an open chat session 10.17.27 # it will be done for west, but talk to badger for euro =) 10.18.01 # i write down my thoughts locally, and hang around during the con :) 10.18.17 # see you later... 10.18.19 Part tucoz 10.19.03 # scorche: what do you need for a skype conference call? Anything else but the client (and account of course)? 10.19.28 # mic/headset/speakers 10.19.48 # so no paid account necessary? 10.20.15 # no 10.20.28 # sounds great. 10.20.50 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-94a291874e579ded) 10.24.41 # nice thing about skype is that it runs on almost all platforms 10.25.07 # and is a decent protocol 10.26.11 # but propietary and not open and sometimes a real bandwidthhog, which is why I uninstalled it 10.26.59 Quit scorche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.27.03 Join scorche` [0] (i=scorche@208-110-158-190.customer.csolutions.net) 10.30.54 # there are also plugins like https://extras.skype.com/582/view if we need 10.36.53 # is there nothing with SIP and speex to do a conference call? 10.37.20 # not sure....is there something against using skype? 10.37.35 Join Siltaar [0] (n=Siltaar@193.52.208.229) 10.37.53 # scorche`: it just doesn't feel right to me :) 10.38.04 Join Entasis [0] (i=Jarred@ppp182-113.lns11.adl2.internode.on.net) 10.38.14 # just as there would be nothing wrong with installing windows on my laptop, but still I didn't do it 10.38.25 # there are linux packages 10.39.07 # their latest versions are real crap, and I hate it when they use you as supernode. 10.39.48 # yeah...supernode is the only beef i have with ut 10.40.30 # Last stuff I used was gizmo and that worked well, don't know if they do conferences. But that is SIP iirc 10.41.11 # skype will support up to 25 users on a conference call for free 10.41.37 # seems gizmo does group-chat: http://www.gizmoproject.com/group-chat.html 10.41.59 Join bawb2 [0] (n=bawb2@129.237.2.66) 10.42.18 # don't know about Ekiga (gnomemeeting) http://www.gnomemeeting.org/ 10.46.56 # last time i heard, IRC supported "group-chat" as well :-P 10.47.34 # :) 10.47.44 # people would much rather do some sort of conference non-textual it seems 10.47.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.47.59 # scorche`: who? 10.48.24 # scroll up for a couple 10.48.30 # but i am sure there are others 10.56.28 Quit pixelma (" bbl") 10.57.36 Part Llorean 10.58.25 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC") 11.14.19 Quit YouCeyE (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.16.40 Join juxtap [0] (n=juxtap@vc-196-207-45-253.3g.vodacom.co.za) 11.25.11 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@unaffiliated/youceye) 11.26.04 Quit bawb2 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.26.22 Join ast_ [0] (i=Xscript_@87.68.218.74.adsl.012.net.il) 11.26.22 # ˜ Xscript™ version 10.0a - by XCITE - get it at: www.xscript.2ya.com ˜ 11.28.01 # ast_: disable that script for this channel please 11.31.15 # non-textual conference? weird.. sounds like a mess :p 11.31.37 # ze: only up to 30 people ;) 11.31.49 # hehe 11.32.38 # 25! 11.33.58 # damn, my memory is so bad... 11.34.03 # and it was still on the screen :) 11.40.49 Part ast_ 11.46.13 # Hum, is anyone knowing the secret of the non-declared sudoku functions ? 11.46.47 # I mean, I didn't find yet where the sudoku.c functions were declared 11.46.57 # it is not in sudoku.h 11.47.06 # not in sudoku.c 11.47.21 # not in renerator.h 11.47.23 # which function? 11.47.43 # but if I create a function, I got an implicit declaration warning 11.47.52 # int sudoku_edit_menu(struct sudoku_state_t* state) 11.47.54 # for instance 11.48.33 # I think that if you don't declare them the order of the functions is important 11.48.48 # aggred 11.48.51 # agreed 11.48.52 # if you use a function in a line before the actual function you will get this message 11.50.15 # but, I still have : sudoku.c:1017: warning: implicit declaration of function 'talk_line' 11.50.34 # and where did you put talk_line? 11.50.47 # before 1017? 11.51.38 # found 11.52.03 # sorry, I miss orderd my definition of function... 11.52.29 # indeed, I was declaring my function before that line... 11.52.51 # I was NOT delcaring... 11.53.04 # thanks ^_^ 11.53.36 # no problem 11.55.20 # Sudoku is talking here in France 11.56.07 # (buts its not yet ready for commit) 12.00.49 Part maffe 12.00.59 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 12.01.12 Part maffe 12.01.31 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 12.03.11 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 12.32.04 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 12.33.26 Join obo [0] (n=obo@host217-41-62-170.in-addr.btopenworld.com) 12.34.38 # linuxstb: I'm working on adapting your BMP tar patch to the new WPS code 12.44.38 Quit maffe (Remote closed the connection) 12.47.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.48.18 Quit atsea- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.51.15 Join matt____ [0] (n=matt@75.136.223.186) 12.51.18 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-30fe84e9e852e413) 12.51.34 # Llorean : you around ? 12.52.13 # or anyone else with forum admin priviledges ? 12.52.25 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10401.0 <-- needs attention 12.52.35 # i tried download icons, but the link won't work. why? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxExtras click on IconSets 12.53.48 # matt____: try this : http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IconSets 12.55.03 Join ctaf [0] (n=ctaf@ram94-6-82-242-23-70.fbx.proxad.net) 12.55.15 Part ctaf 12.55.45 # GodEater: , thanks, it works 12.55.49 # np 12.59.48 Join bawb2 [0] (n=bawb2@129.237.2.66) 13.08.01 Quit matt____ ("Lost terminal") 13.10.37 Quit bawb2 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.10.43 Quit daurn (Remote closed the connection) 13.10.57 Join daurnimator [0] (n=fake@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 13.11.53 Join bawb2 [0] (n=bawb2@ip50210.estcmp.ku.edu) 13.14.36 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 13.41.25 # linuxstb: I got it to work. and I got rid of the bitmap order limitation 13.46.20 # lol 13.46.23 # http://content3.i-am-bored.com/games/40472_geektattoo.jpg 13.51.03 # linuxstb: http://nicolas.pennequin.free.fr/rockbox/bmptar.patch 13.51.46 # * Nico_P is off to class 13.58.05 # Nico_P: (when you return from class) Does your patch read the bmp files from the tar in order, or does it search within the tar for each bitmap? 14.03.51 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.171.101) 14.05.13 # GodEater: What needs attention in that thread, or has someone already done it? 14.13.52 Quit The-Compiler (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.14.02 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@247-121.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch) 14.25.20 Join mega [0] (i=mega@gateway/tor/x-cfd0ac9599526d7c) 14.27.21 Part mega ("Sxcr b60 goodbye") 14.32.58 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.36.22 Quit aliask (Remote closed the connection) 14.42.29 Quit lost|X40 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.43.02 # linuxstb: looks like someone already took care of it 14.44.26 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=lostnihi@c-24-1-62-55.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 14.48.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.53.49 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.171.101) 14.59.01 Join z35 [0] (n=z@adsl-35-185-174.dab.bellsouth.net) 15.06.02 # daurnimator: usb a or b to connect ot the ocmp? 15.06.05 # comp* 15.06.17 # one at bottom 15.06.26 # next to the ac? 15.06.29 # yes 15.06.32 # hmm 15.06.42 # - surely thats the only one that your cable fits into anyway :P 15.07.07 # yeah, it is 15.07.10 # but its not connecting 15.07.38 # is it turned on? 15.07.48 # yep 15.08.22 # does it say "you have plugged in USB"? 15.08.28 # (or a varient) 15.08.34 # yep 15.08.41 # dmesg says buffered i/o error :( 15.10.05 # it should work... 15.10.37 # ill try on another comp 15.10.45 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 15.11.32 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host99-204-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 15.16.07 Join jonno [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 15.17.32 Quit Entasis ("Leaving") 15.22.01 Part LinusN 15.23.26 Quit himitsu (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.28.12 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.28.51 Nick jonno is now known as JdGordon (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 15.32.19 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@p549AF08E.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.34.33 Quit gursikh ("Leaving") 15.35.13 Join olle_ [0] (n=olle@h16n1fls34o836.telia.com) 15.35.42 # Is the rockbox.org website broken? I keep getting dead links with an ipaddress in the url.. if i replace the ip address with "www.rockox.org", it seems to work 15.37.40 # why use ip address? 15.37.46 # could break virtual hosting 15.40.09 # site works fine here - maybe clear your cache? 15.40.26 # livingtm: Or maybe you have local DNS problems... 15.40.41 # linuxstb, could be... 15.40.49 # Hello 15.41.06 # livingtm: rockbox.org is not the only site on that ip address 15.41.23 # so unless you use the name, the web server doesn't know what site to serve you 15.41.25 # linuxstb, its been like that for the almost 24 hours i've been trying to use it 15.41.55 # Zagor, im not entering the ip manuially... when i click on some of the links form th emain page that point to the wiki, i get an ip address in the url 15.42.10 # livingtm: I read your question in the IRC logs about Rockbox rebooting into disk mode when you insert an AC charger - I think the problem is that you're using a very old unofficial version of Rockbox (jbuild). That bug was fixed months ago in the official version of Rockbox. 15.42.23 # can you give me an example? 15.42.44 # Zagor, from the main page, click on extras, then iconsets 15.43.02 # http://202.165.104.73/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxExtras#Icon_Sets 15.43.16 # "Copy link location: from the context menu in my browser gives me that url 15.43.28 # livingtm: indeed. very weird. 15.43.34 # ok so its not just me :-) 15.44.10 # Where can a find a custom build that will do album art, and is reasonably recent? 15.44.18 # for the ipod 5g 15.44.39 # or am i better off building myself and applying patches 15.45.34 # livingtm: Ideally it's better to patch and build yourself. But the "Unoffiical Builds" forum may contain up to date builds with the patches you want to use. 15.45.53 # linuxstb, thanks! 15.46.10 # I mean "Unsupported Builds" forum... 15.47.41 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 15.49.08 # livingtm: have you seen any other pages like that? 15.49.41 # Zagor, most of the ones that poited to the wiki 15.49.47 # fonts i think 15.49.49 # it seems very weird to me... cos isnt the purpose of DNS just to redirect to an IP adress? 15.50.09 # olle its more than that with multiple virtual hosts on an apache server 15.50.14 # livingtm: no, that was because the RockboxExtras page was bad. I fixed it now, but can't find any other pages. 15.50.28 # well, the apache needs to know what domain name the link was pointing to 15.50.47 # Zagor, ill let you know if i run across any others. 15.51.07 # really? isnt most sites configured so the IP adress is totally ok to enter as url? 15.51.14 # olle_: no 15.51.24 # that would require one IP per site 15.51.28 # * amiconn thinks it's better to not rely on http 1.1 virtual hosting and assign one ip per web site 15.51.45 # some servers hosts thousands of sites on one ip address 15.52.05 # i will find an example of a website that accepts IP instead of domain name 15.52.05 # it looks like all of the jbuilds in the forums are old? 15.52.14 # amiconn: what world do you live in where you can sprinkle ip addresses like that? 15.52.27 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484a42e.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.52.45 # olle_: that's not very uncommon, so you don't need to "prove it" 15.53.10 # I have 4 sites hosted on my server. if you use the IP address, you get a "default" site 15.53.25 # Well, it depends on how many websites to host. A few dozen ip addresses shouldn't be a big problem 15.53.52 # livingtm: same here, but only 2 sites 15.54.19 # amiconn: then you are spoiled. in sweden companies have to fight to get 32 ip addresses 15.54.23 # I am loving rockbox guys.. just installed it for the first time last night.. great great work. 15.54.39 # Zagor: Out of curiousity, what was the problem? Why did it seem to only affect that one wiki page? 15.54.52 # We do that at work... 15.55.35 # linuxstb: the cause was a bad statement in the cached copy of the page, that pointed to that ip address instead of the name. how that happened I don't know yet. 15.55.56 # So you just refreshed the page? 15.55.57 # the ip is not ours, but a web crawler (I think) at yahoo 15.55.59 # yes 15.56.33 # You need one ip per website for ssl anyway 15.56.41 # I am so amazed that the hardware could be reverse engineered like that 15.57.15 # amiconn: no you don't 15.57.20 # livingtm: which device do you have? 15.57.28 # markun, 5G 15.57.49 # livingtm: i am waiting desperately... 15.57.58 # livingtm: most of the reverse engineeing for the ipods was done by the ipod linux people I think 15.58.04 # linuxstb: or not? 15.58.13 # have iriver E10, pretty simialr internals as popular iriver U10, but nope no rockbox 15.58.37 # markun, its funny because i worked for a company that built machines for the ipod assembly line.. I had main boards for nanos 6 months before they came out... and all i could think abou when i had them was "I wish I could reverse engineer these" 15.58.52 # Zagor: ssl cannot be combined with http/1.1 host: headers 15.58.54 # olle_: probably similar as the nano 2nd gen as well then 15.59.05 # s/as/to/ 15.59.24 # livingtm: the new nanos? 15.59.34 # maybe i could help porting some way? but i dont know a lot of asm / C 15.59.39 # because they still need reverse engeneering.. 15.59.40 # The only way to fit multiple ssl enabled websites onto one ip is to use non-standard ports, but then many users will get into trouble with their corporate firewalls not allowing these ports 15.59.43 # markun, the first nanos.. the ones that look like the 30g, but smaller 15.59.53 # olle_: help is always welcome 16.00.21 # olle_: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort 16.01.43 # markun: Most of it, yes, although we've carried on from where they left off - there doesn't seem to have been any low-level hacking in the IPL project for over a year. 16.02.16 # the 30gs are all running multimedia chips from broadcom if i remember correctly 16.02.27 # amiconn: I'm not sure what you're arguing about. the simple fact is that most people don't have buckets of IP address to thrown on their sites. and virtual hosting is a very mature technology that is used and works everywhere. 16.02.58 # It doesn't work with http/1.0 clients, or when there are dns problems 16.03.25 # I know that virtual hosting is widely used, just I don't like it and rather put only one website per ip 16.03.48 # correct. and HTML 4 doesn't work on HTML3-only browsers. how many http 1.0-only browsers do you normally see visiting your sites? 16.04.35 # it is a pain to cross compile my own binary? 16.04.46 # Browsers always support http/1.1 nowadays. But there are other http clients than just browsers 16.05.05 # livingtm: What OS are you running on your PC? 16.05.10 # ubuntu 16.05.39 # ...which mostly use libcurl with supports http 1.1 too. standards evolve. that's a GOOD thing. 16.05.49 # livingtm: Then it's straightforward - download the source code (via SVN is easiest), run the tools/rockboxdev.sh script to install the required cross-compilers, then compile. There are lots of instructions in the wiki. 16.05.57 # Not that it matters much, but I rather want to have one potential problem out of the equation 16.06.34 # linuxstb, if i apply the same patches as jbuild, i should get all of his themes to work, but with recent firmware, right? 16.06.53 # Besides, with ssl I have no choice 16.07.04 # livingtm: In theory - but if his patches are against an old version of Rockbox, you may have some work to do to apply them to current Rockbox. 16.07.21 # oooooh yeah 16.07.57 # livingtm: But it's possible that someone else has updated them - the relevant tasks on the patch tracker should have the latest available versions of any patch. 16.08.20 # the album art isnt in the main code yet? 16.08.50 # No - it's not implemented in a nice enough way. 16.08.51 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m180.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 16.11.48 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 16.19.08 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF7F0F.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.20.02 Join H10_007quick [0] (n=chatzill@mnet-ki-244-78-181.monarch.net) 16.20.17 # haha 16.20.55 # barrywardell: the scrollpad for the H10 right now works by waiting 50 miliseconds then reading right? 16.21.35 # and it reads values of 0 to 350 right? 16.22.01 # yes 16.22.10 # it reads values of 0x0-0x3ff 16.23.03 # ok 16.23.10 # i'm working on improving it 16.23.15 # have some ideas 16.23.29 # oh 1 more thing, how often does the pad update? 16.23.49 # like how often does the value change if you move up the pad or down? 16.24.29 Quit ender` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.26.52 # barrywardell: ? 16.29.49 # that's what we don't know 16.30.08 # actually, it's 50 micro seconds 16.30.18 # oh 16.30.22 # but that was just arrived at through trial and error 16.30.40 # I'm tryiing to take an avarage of two readings 16.30.51 # Do i have to log into the forums to get an experimental build? 16.31.08 # should help smooth things out 16.31.15 # livingtm: NO 16.31.38 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4263.0 Theres a link on here for experimental builds used to get the black glass them eworking.. 16.31.46 # when i click on it it asks ms to log in 16.32.07 # H10_007quick: there is a task in the tracker that describes a smoothing algorithm that's worth trying 16.32.20 # i know 16.32.33 # but it only changes the way the button reads 16.32.38 # H10_007quick: I think you need to log in to see attachments 16.32.51 # doesn't smooth the actual readings 16.33.04 # no, there's a different patch 16.33.41 # livingtm: the build was deleted, thats why you can't get to it 16.33.44 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6041 16.33.46 # oh 16.34.13 # that's the one I'm talking about 16.35.27 # there is no actual patch there 16.35.31 # just take 16.35.34 # talk* 16.36.06 # a 30GB ipog 5gen is a 32MB? 16.36.29 # no, no patch 16.36.46 # but a pretty good description of an algorithm to use 16.37.02 # http://pastebin.ca/479049 16.37.16 # can you tell me what I did wrong there because the compiler doesn't like it 16.37.40 # I'm just trying to read to data1 50 micro seconds after reading to data and then take the avarage 16.37.53 # i'm getting compiling errors 16.38.58 # what errors? 16.39.02 Join atsea- [0] (i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-fb97140d29466a6f) 16.39.19 # Does the album art patch use the itunes DB album art? 16.39.43 # livingtm: No. See here - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt 16.40.01 # http://pastebin.ca/479056 16.40.10 # that has the errors 16.40.22 # but some seem really weird 16.40.45 # like the whole function, says that the last } is off 16.41.12 # you're missing a semi-colon at the end of line 10 16.41.56 # wow 16.41.59 # it works 16.42.02 # linuxstb, Cool. Does Amarok handle that? 16.42.08 # lol That was stupid 16.42.23 # linuxstb, I mean put the cover art in the right place.. i know it can obtain the album art 16.42.25 # time to give it a try 16.45.37 # 0x2 does that equal 2 in C ? 16.45.44 # or could I just use 2 ? 16.46.42 # H10_007quick: thats hexadezimal.. but hex 02 equals 2 16.46.53 # oh I see 16.48.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.48.22 # hehe 16.48.51 # t tried to figure uto what the difference would be, thought it would make me stupid to ask 16.49.10 # you could also write 0b10 :-) equals also 2 :-) 16.49.27 # is 0o02 valid? :P 16.49.57 # i dont know the code for octal, but it could be o .. :-) 16.50.14 # octal is a leading 0 16.50.27 # ok how boring of them 16.50.27 # "02" is octal 2 16.50.33 # i c 16.50.45 # And C doesn't have binary number literals. 16.51.22 # livingtm: I don't use Album Art (or Amarok), so I don't kow. 16.51.46 # linuxstb, im trying it right now.. i have to start moving my media out of the itunes format though 17.07.54 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.07.55 Join Xerion_ [0] (i=xerion@vhe-382201.sshn.net) 17.08.11 Nick Xerion_ is now known as Xerion (i=xerion@vhe-382201.sshn.net) 17.10.18 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 17.14.20 # hi toffe82 17.14.32 # hello 17.14.39 # a shame we didn't find any of those foxconn conenctors 17.14.45 # problem with virus this mornig :) 17.14.45 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54967B8B.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.15.03 # what virus? 17.15.10 # computer? 17.15.13 # yes 17.15.20 # not that I know of 17.15.45 # I have problem :) 17.16.10 Join lids_ [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-3534c1506e899799) 17.16.59 # I don't have any news from the guys who tried to get some connector on the gigabeat forum 17.17.53 # markun, toffe82: I was reading the WMA page at wikipedia yesterday and it said the Gigabeat S is the first DAP to only play WMA. Does that mean it converts everything you try and transfer? 17.18.32 Quit lids (Remote closed the connection) 17.18.36 # good question, I transfer mp3 files and I didn't look what was on the player 17.19.04 Join lowlight [0] (i=c730180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ba4e196de34029e6) 17.19.12 # linuxstb: but don't you know that wma sounds better than mp3? so just convert it and you have better quality! ;) 17.19.32 # Here's the article - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Media_Audio#Players 17.20.21 # I am looking now, wait 17.20.57 # markun: Yes, I'm sure that after the summer we'll all be converting... 17.20.59 # linuxstb: according to the press release it also supports MP3: http://www.toshiba.co.jp/about/press/2006_04/pr_j1001.htm 17.21.02 # it still says mp3 files 17.21.30 # maybe it is the first to support WMA lossless? 17.22.23 # markun: I see the word MP3, but don't understand the rest of the page... 17.22.36 # I copy and paste from the player and it is mp3 17.23.01 # So another piece of high-quality research from wikipedia... 17.23.04 # linuxstb: use your imagination of translate.google.com :) 17.23.09 # s/of/or/ 17.23.14 # how do I test to see if a variable is above 10 ? (data > 0x10) ? 17.23.31 # H10_007quick: decimal 10 or hex 10? 17.23.42 # linuxstb: maybe you can track down who did it and ask for clarification 17.23.45 # 10 17.23.52 # hex 10 17.24.13 # H10_007quick: Then yes. 17.24.13 # I think that that is right 17.24.33 # markun: wikipedia needs a "blame" function... 17.24.44 # how then to test if it is lower than -10? (data<-0x10) ? 17.24.49 # yes.. 17.25.13 # markun: Guess I'll just check your friend's comments... 17.25.24 # was that yes to me? 17.25.34 # yes 17.25.38 # ok 17.25.40 # thankyou 17.25.53 Quit tchan ("WeeChat 0.2.5-cvs") 17.26.31 Join tchan [0] (n=tchan@lunar-linux/developer/tchan) 17.27.42 # markun: Here's the change - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Windows_Media_Audio&diff=128576881&oldid=128124059 - does that mean it was anonymous? 17.28.20 # I guess so 17.28.29 # can you just click the 'undo' button? 17.28.58 # it's completely useless 17.29.00 # "The device supports most WMA formats including Variable Bit Rate (VBR)" 17.29.05 # wow, vbr! :) 17.29.09 # http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.toshiba.co.jp%2Fabout%2Fpress%2F2006_04%2Fpr_j1001.htm&lp=ja_en&btnTrUrl=Translate <= Funny automatic translation english, but maybe it helps... 17.30.18 # anyway, have a nice day guys 17.30.22 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-075-177-158-190.nc.res.rr.com) 17.30.42 # (and girl(s?)?) 17.33.18 # hum, is there anyway to produce a single beep in rockbox playback ? 17.33.56 # such as talk_id(HYPOTETIC_BEEP_IDc false) 17.34.09 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@host-144-219.ch.le.ac.uk) 17.35.14 # I think there's a beep funcion 17.35.30 # pcmbuf_beep 17.36.54 # ok, I try this 17.39.33 Join gursikh [0] (n=khalsa@unaffiliated/gursikh) 17.40.08 # toffe82: So the S doesn't encrypt your songs like the F does? 17.40.28 # no 17.41.19 # but I think you need to trasnfer them with wmp so it can be seen by the player 17.42.00 # I have to check it but my battery went flat 17.42.26 # lowlight, void pcmbuf_beep(unsigned int frequency, size_t duration, int amplitude); 17.42.30 # lowlight, is : 17.42.40 # rb->pcm_beep(440, 2, 50); 17.42.45 # look good to you ? 17.44.31 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 17.51.20 # Siltaar: I have no idea...but I'm guessing duration is probably is milliseconds and 2 ms is pretty short 17.53.51 # right 17.55.11 # linuxstb: for the translation, I use the foxlingo extension for firefox, when you are on a page you just right click and select what engine you want to use to tranlsate so if a translation is not good just try another engine :) 17.59.10 # Nico_P: you rang? (logs) 17.59.39 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@212.204.47.129) 18.00.33 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-202-175.student.uu.se) 18.01.04 # hmmm...for $100 the Meizu M6 4gb is tempting...if it wasn't for that Samsung chip in it :-/ 18.01.48 # And, how having access to the ID for talk id, I guess it's a file to include, but... which one ? 18.04.08 # ok, it's lang.h 18.08.22 # but make[3]: *** No rule to make target `/home/nfs/simon.descarpentries/rockbox/build-iPod_Video/apps/plugins/sudoku/lang.o' 18.08.44 # how would I test if a value is between -30 and 30 ? 18.08.55 Join Rincewind_ [0] (n=xchatter@i3ED6FAA0.versanet.de) 18.09.15 # ((data<30)>-30) ? 18.09.19 # http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2007/05/mickey_175x125.jpg 18.09.20 # lang.h : lang.c [newline] [spaces] gcc -o lang.o lang.c 18.09.39 # (value<-30 && value >30) 18.09.57 # ah 18.10.41 # olle_, thx 18.10.49 # oh sorry Siltaar, my instruction isnt really reliable 18.11.04 # what , it helped? wow :D 18.11.19 # arf 18.11.23 Quit petur ("real life calls") 18.11.31 # damned... 18.11.35 Quit Siltaar ("Quitte") 18.13.06 # http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven/866191.html 18.14.02 # jhMikeS: yes, it was about the playback engine but I don't remember what I wanted to ask :p 18.14.02 # Siltaar you there? 18.14.14 # damn 18.17.06 Quit BigBambi (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.18.04 Quit Arathis (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.19.58 # linuxstb: my patch reads the bitmaps from the tar in order 18.23.14 Quit spiorf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.23.29 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host46-206-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 18.41.34 Quit masked (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18.41.34 NSplit pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 18.42.12 Quit obo ("KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/") 18.44.50 # * Nico_P doesn't get it... the tar loading works fine from the browse themes menu but not at startup :\ 18.45.04 # an that's on target... on the sim everything is fine 18.46.16 # Nico_P: ok then :) 18.46.32 NHeal pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 18.46.32 NJoin masked [0] (i=masked@shell.iinet.net.au) 18.46.44 # jhMikeS: I'll probably remember but right now I'm focused on the tarred bitmaps 18.48.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.52.13 Quit Rob222241 () 18.52.48 Quit masked (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18.52.48 NSplit pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 18.54.42 Join Siltaar [0] (n=Siltaar@reverse-52.fdn.fr) 18.55.34 NHeal pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 18.55.34 NJoin masked [0] (i=masked@shell.iinet.net.au) 18.58.08 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54b150f7.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.02.52 Join austriancoder [0] (n=austrian@80.120.117.30) 19.04.33 Join knapp [0] (n=knapp@67.132.247.218) 19.06.57 Join lids [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-792ff11ea62b3e64) 19.07.56 Quit lids_ (Remote closed the connection) 19.11.37 Quit masked (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 19.11.37 NSplit pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 19.14.09 Join milian [0] (n=milian@p57BB1E5A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.15.59 NHeal pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 19.15.59 NJoin masked [0] (i=masked@shell.iinet.net.au) 19.16.32 Part milian ("following the white rabbit...") 19.16.53 Quit masked (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 19.16.57 Quit barrywardell (Remote closed the connection) 19.17.20 Quit lowlight ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 19.19.40 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484a42e.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.20.36 Quit lids (Remote closed the connection) 19.20.46 Join lids [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-13b8e108feadd000) 19.26.54 NJoin masked [0] (i=masked@shell.iinet.net.au) 19.33.26 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 19.34.12 Quit kaaloo (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19.39.18 Join Siltaar_ [0] (n=Siltaar@reverse-52.fdn.fr) 19.40.29 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484A42E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.41.17 Quit Siltaar (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.41.23 # could someone test the BMP tar patch for me ? 19.43.10 # http://nicolas.pennequin.free.fr/rockbox/bmptar.patch 19.43.26 Join Toni1 [0] (i=5932ee32@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-760187f44ce6dea4) 19.43.50 # jhMikeS: you're there? 19.44.54 Part variant 19.44.57 Quit The-Compiler (Excess Flood) 19.45.04 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@247-121.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch) 19.45.52 Part Toni1 19.46.47 Join AceNik___ [0] (n=AceNik@203.145.159.42) 19.49.40 # hey guys i wanted to ask , why have the wps's & themes stopped working , cause they make my h10 hang , the cabbie theme i made works wel, but others like blackglass, or boselglass dont work , have there been code changes? 19.52.44 # AceNik___: you get the default WPS instead ? 19.53.20 # ya ? 19.53.44 # crash or default WPS ? 19.53.51 # anyway yes there have been some changes 19.53.55 # the WPS parser is stricter now 19.54.09 # well on some themes there is a crash & on some there is a default wps 19.54.34 # when did you last update your build ? 19.54.59 # so can i recode them , cause i made the cabbie theme , n it works well , i cant understand , why others dont , do i need to look into it n modify anythin 19.55.23 Quit darkless (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.56.03 # AceNik___: the album art tags can be the problem on non album art builds 19.56.11 # how can i add a file to the wiki? 19.56.56 # AceNik___: generally speaking, you can use the sim to find the problem 19.57.33 # i might have updated like build some 4 days ago 19.57.37 # and if one of your WPSs crashes your player with a very recent build, I want to see it 19.57.43 # but i just checked to change a theme 19.58.46 # 4 days should be alright... I think I haven't made any changes since 19.59.18 # well how can i help, there is nothin you can see visibily , the player says loading at the [ress of the pause button but , hangs , the wps to note this example would be the blacklgass, or the zenpods 19.59.44 # I can get them on rockbox-themes for H10 ? 20.00.15 # Toni1: yep 20.00.30 # AceNik___: 5 GB or 20 GB ? 20.00.32 # rrr....he left 20.00.39 # 20GB 20.01.50 # well yes i thought s myself that the album art code in the themes could cause this problem , but does this mean , we remake all the themes to remove the %c tag of the album art , n it might be a problem since the %c is specifically used now for the RTC 20.04.40 # it's rather the | in the AA tag format that's a problem 20.04.50 # Nico_P:is displaying the peakmeters on the wps's for the portal player targets still a problem , like i was thinkin of making them horizontal like an equaliser like winamp 20.05.15 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 20.05.17 # Nico_P: how is that wat does the | make the player think? 20.05.21 # AceNik___: they are quite slow, which can make the cpu choke 20.05.51 # it's supposed to be a conditional delimiter 20.06.31 # n1s:so is there any possiblity that , we can do somethin like boosting or somethin to make it work as a screensaver or something of that sort 20.07.15 # Nico_P:do you think, having so many good themes , & causing such a problem , & making authors edit is goin to work well , what are we acheiving here 20.08.39 # they'll wrk fine on album art builds 20.08.42 Join webguest99 [0] (i=4ac064c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-675305daf980ad44) 20.08.49 # unless there's another problem 20.08.50 # AceNik___: i think they work ok, jus tthat depending on codec and bitrate, the ui may become pretty unresponsive, and the cpu will probably boost most of the time so optimization is probably the only way to go 20.10.07 # n1s:till now how much of the cpu is being used on portal player targets, like is there any spare resources 20.10.55 # AceNik___: that depends on codec, bitrate, enabled dsp effects, so maybe 20.11.24 # Nico_P: ill be ready to give it a try after a lil while though ,wat else is to be expected of the wps coding now , i saw this real nice , patch n believe its rockbox's target too , to make themes work out of a .tar file 20.12.20 Quit webguest99 (Client Quit) 20.12.22 # yes I'd like to finish what linuxstb started on loading bitmaps from a tar file. Also I'm going to make album art right this summer 20.13.40 # yup i believe , that would be a could thing to do , but , could you explain these things to me ind eatil whenever u have time perhaps later , if you wish to ? 20.14.00 # * n1s wonders what will be the next big patch for the custom builds after aa gets done and viewports are implemented in wps... 20.14.36 # AceNik___: what do you want me to explain ? 20.14.39 # n1s wat would vieports be doin ? 20.14.43 # Something even more weird that aa, I'd expect :\ 20.14.46 Part juxtap 20.14.50 # s/that/than/ 20.15.31 # Nico_P:just how the wps parser works & how the buffer handles stuff with the wps 20.15.32 # AceNik___: also I just tried zenpod and blackglassAA50 from http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=160x128x16... neither hung 20.15.32 # AceNik___: allow for mor flexible placing of wps elements mostly 20.16.07 # AceNik___: also it will make scroll margins and the like possible 20.16.13 # viewports don't even aim at the wps primarily 20.16.49 # They're useful in a whole lot more places, like status bar, button bar, quickscreen (if we want to keep that)... 20.17.30 # amiconn: I know, but I believe that these things will be implemented using viewports 20.18.41 # AA has 2 prerequisites: viewports and MoB 20.20.11 # amiconn: AA doesn't really depend on viewports... the gigabeat for example has enough screen height to display AA and a few lines 20.20.23 Quit olle_ (Remote closed the connection) 20.20.59 # Rockbox is multiplatform.... 20.21.44 # of course but what I mean is that there is no real dependency between the two 20.23.39 # Well, there is no use adding it if it can't be used for real on the majority of targets it should work on 20.23.48 # (everything 2bpp and higher) 20.24.24 # But it's probably a moot point, as I hope/think that viewports will be available before MoB 20.24.41 # I hope so too :) 20.25.09 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 20.25.13 # anyway it's possible to add non scrolling info next to the AA bitmap and the scrolling info underneath 20.25.36 # there are some WPS that use AA without scrolling margins 20.26.28 Join lowlight [0] (i=c730180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7ba02dd0d9861300) 20.29.47 Join boom82 [0] (n=prinice@ip24-252-122-112.no.no.cox.net) 20.30.32 # Reminds me of the nasty no-scroll bug in the menu... 20.31.30 # would it be possible to read the aa bmp directly into the wps backdrop buffer? (to avoid using a separate buffer) 20.31.53 # no, this can't work 20.32.14 # amiconn: there's a similar scrolling bug in the WPS : http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7006 20.32.21 # amiconn: why can't it work ? 20.32.44 # There can be more than one aa bitmap for the set of buffered tracks, and we surely don't want to spin up the disk on each track change 20.33.12 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 20.33.31 # lowlight:Also, you still need a buffer to store the "no album art" image. 20.33.53 # But I guess you still need that anyway... 20.34.19 Join juxtap [0] (n=juxtap@vc-196-207-45-253.3g.vodacom.co.za) 20.34.20 # linuxstb_: have you seen my patch and my answers ? 20.34.29 Part kaaloo 20.34.31 # that would be a separate file 20.34.40 # Nico_P: I saw your answer, but haven't looked at the patch in detail. 20.34.50 # ok 20.35.14 # Is it still crashing on target? 20.35.59 # it's mostly the same as yours. the most interesting part for you would be around line 345 of the patch 20.36.14 # no, it wasn't crashing and it was a silly problem 20.36.16 # That's why aa pretty much needs MoB - everything else would waste ram 20.36.36 # I thought file descriptors were strictly positive and on target I had a 0 fd 20.36.38 # And MoB will reduce ram waste even without aa 20.36.55 # Nico:_P: Ah, OK. So it's working fine now? 20.36.55 # Nico_P: File descriptors are >= 0, that's common 20.37.11 # linuxstb_: yes, all good :) 20.37.21 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 20.37.23 # amiconn: there are some very common things I don't know 20.37.28 # still learning :) 20.37.58 # Just on PC you seldom get 0 20.38.14 # ...because usually there's always an open file here or there in the system 20.38.18 # Nico_P: How does the speed seem to you? I did notice a big speedup with my patch, but would still like wps loading to be faster... 20.39.08 # linuxstb_: I'm not really sure about the speedip. but on gigabeat regular loading was already fast. I'd need someone to test on something a bit slower 20.39.32 Part TrueJournals 20.39.39 Join Acksaw [0] (n=Acksaw@spc2-stok5-0-0-cust755.bagu.broadband.ntl.com) 20.39.39 # * amiconn stays away from all bitmapped wps'es because of the pathetic loading 20.39.50 # hey guys, what version bootloader is the h300 build on now 20.39.51 # ? 20.41.30 # linuxstb_: do you think you could test ? 20.41.38 Quit AceNik___ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.41.40 # n1s: got a question wrt the langv2 patch... recently there was a title string for the playlist menu added - but there's also a generic string that reads "playlist" only - do we need both or could the menu just reuse "playlist" too? 20.41.47 # Acksaw: the latest h300 bootloader is v5 20.41.50 # OK 20.41.51 # or maybe amiconn... maybe you'll find it a bit less slow 20.41.52 # Thanks! 20.41.56 # I'm still running the right one :) 20.42.15 # Nico_P: I will do, but can't for a couple of hours. Is it on flyspray? 20.42.16 # Nico_P: In svn, wps bitmap loading takes ages... 20.42.56 # linuxstb_: yes it is 20.43.00 Join AceNik___ [0] (n=AceNik@203.145.159.41) 20.43.13 # pixelma: If the strings are idetical or similar enough I'd say use the same one, people here need to start looking for strings that are already present before adding new ones... 20.43.20 # amiconn: so maybe you'll see the difference with tar bitmaps 20.43.22 # If you get icatcher to load under 2 seconds then I might reconsider using bitmaps... 20.43.38 # With svn it's more like 20 seconds... 20.43.47 # amiconn: on what player ? 20.43.47 # Nico: wat if there is a theme with out any album art tags loading the default wps 20.44.12 # AceNik___: there are a lot of possible errors... the sim can help 20.44.14 # n1s: it is "Playlist menu" vs. "Playlist" 20.44.40 Quit livingtm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.44.52 Quit SirFunk (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.44.52 # so does the simulator have a wps debug , iguess i read somewhr how i can u ise it to assist you now 20.45.01 # ill just make a simulator for my build now 20.45.06 # & test the wps 20.45.08 # amiconn: on my gigabeat iCatcher takes a bit more than 3 seconds with tars 20.45.44 # hmmm 20.46.05 # but other themes don't take much longer so it's hard to tell of there's an improvement 20.46.09 # amiconn: On my ipod color, total boot time (power-off to root menu) is about 8 seconds, including loading icatcher. 20.46.10 Join livingtm [0] (n=livingtm@cpe-74-67-15-162.nycap.res.rr.com) 20.46.31 # Nico_P: is there a way to debug wps , tell me how then ill make the sim n test the themes 20.47.19 # AceNik___: there is the --debugwps command line option. but even without this when a WPS fails to load a message will be displayed to tell you what line is faulty and give you an indication of the problem 20.47.22 # Seems I missed something... loading icatcher became a whole lot faster than when I tried it last time... 20.47.36 # Even on archos recorder it now takes 3..4 seconds 20.47.48 # amiconn: when did you last try ? 20.48.06 # * amiconn wonders whether this has to do with the tokeinzer 20.48.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.48.14 # Dunno, sometime last year 20.48.23 # Nico_P: k can you tell me after giving the make command for making a simulator , wats next, like to make a sim working , is it make zip or wat 20.48.44 # I surely won't try such an unimportant feature every day just to see whether it becomes usable 20.48.47 # amiconn: this could well be thanks to the tokenizer :) 20.49.26 # Nico_P: 3 seconds? On my ipod loading icatcher seems to take around 1 second (if the disk is spinning). That's SVN. 20.49.43 # AceNik___: make install 20.49.53 # Still, loading my own wps takes like 0.1 sec 20.50.03 # k thanks 20.50.09 # ...and faster is better :P 20.50.43 # linuxstb: I get around 3 seconds here almost independent of target. Maybe it depends on fragmentation on a hdd target 20.50.46 # linuxstb_: in my 3 secs there is the time to get the disc spinning. how do you get it to be spinning ? 20.50.54 # pixelma: I don't know where that string is used so you'll have to decide yourself :-) 20.51.03 # Nico_P: Just load themes quickly one after the other. 20.51.04 Quit AceNik___ ("bye guys have fun , enjoy !!!!!") 20.51.35 # n1s: that's in the title line of the playlist submenu... 20.51.52 # amiconn: And that's with the disk spinning? 20.51.55 # Nico_P: If you enter 'browse wps files', the disk will spinup to show the contents (unless you have dircache enabled, which I usually don't have, and even can't on half of my targets 20.52.02 # linuxstb: sure 20.52.19 # I always enable diskcache 20.52.24 # It's also ~3 seconds on Ondio even though there is no spinup or seek delay 20.52.53 # I have dircache enabled on my H180 for a while now. I must say that I still don't really like it 20.53.28 # It's disabled on my 3 other targets which have it 20.53.42 # for "if else" in C do you do it like this? if (c=1) { Do This } else (c=2) { Do This } etc ? 20.53.46 # pixelma: umm, ok it says only "Playlist" in the title here... maybe I've done something strange, but go with juds t "Playlist" if you feel it works :-) 20.54.36 # * amiconn finds dircache irritating 20.54.39 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@cpe-74-71-205-222.twcny.res.rr.com) 20.55.15 # why dont you like it? 20.55.26 # now that there are custom icons shouldn't a custom statusbar be possible using wps syntax and the parser 20.56.17 # n1s: See? People *will* come up with enough weird ideas... ;\ 20.56.20 # n1s: hmm.. same here, that's just what I thought it was from the description.... 20.56.43 # amiconn: hah :-) 20.57.36 # pixelma: are you sure that it's in the latest svn english.lang and not some leftover that has been included in the patch? 21.01.04 Quit Rincewind_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.01.37 # H10_007quick: No, that won't work. I would suggest just browsing the Rockbox source to see lots of example of C. You need another "if" immediately after the else - "... } else if (c==2) { ..." 21.03.23 # thx 21.05.34 Join entheh [0] (n=purr@88-106-243-203.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 21.05.42 # n1s: aha.. grep finds it in onplay.c and playlist_viewer.c (LANG_PLAYLIST_MENU but the string is "Playlist"...) 21.05.51 # ^current svn that is 21.06.22 # but in the patch the string was "Playlist menu" 21.06.42 # haha, wonderfully confusing :-) 21.07.22 # but now I'm convinced that I can get rid of it :) 21.07.41 # Slasheri: around? 21.08.34 Join AceNik___ [0] (n=AceNik@203.145.159.41) 21.09.52 # Nico_P:i made the simulator ,it just loads the theme , but it shows the default wps over my backdrop, no element of the wps with the theme is visible 21.10.12 # how can i debug via comman line & know whats wrong 21.10.28 # AceNik___: that's normal because the WPS has failed to load. the console should show a message saying the parsing has failed and at what line 21.11.23 # AceNik___: how do you launch the sim ? 21.12.12 # well i have the sdl file & the background exe that comes with the rockbox sim 21.12.24 # well it says parsing failed at line line , unclosed conditional 21.12.50 # %s%ac%t3%?it <%it|%fn> - %?ia <%ia|%fn>;%ac%?id <%id|%d1>, wats wrong with this line plz 21.13.05 # actually it's not an exe, it's a batch file. you can open it in the notepad and add --debugwps to the line 21.14.42 # maybe the spaces before the '<' chars, but I'm not sure. unclosed conditional should mean there is a '>' missing before an end of line or end of subline 21.15.02 # rockboxui.exe --background 21.15.02 # --debugwps is this rite 21.15.16 # rockboxui.exe --background --debugwps 21.15.29 # you'll get a bunch of additional info 21.17.55 # well it was the spaces got it working now 21.18.05 # thanks a lot nico 21.18.49 # you're welcome ;) 21.19.10 # well ill be heading off now, c ya 21.20.28 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@rockbox/administrator/Llorean) 21.21.11 Join digerati1338 [0] (n=Mike@70-59-30-108.hlrn.qwest.net) 21.22.14 Quit boom82 ("poof") 21.23.15 # amiconn: yes 21.23.33 Quit AceNik___ ("bye guys have fun , enjoy !!!!!") 21.23.53 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 21.24.04 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 21.24.04 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 21.24.13 # hi amiconn 21.24.36 # Slasheri: Is there something special on ihme.org regarding the sh toolchain? 21.25.06 # amiconn: hmm, shouldn't be.. it still might be older gcc, i haven't had to to upgrade it yet 21.25.09 # gcc is the recommended one, but ihme.org seems to always build a little larger binaries than the other build servers (even xen.ihme.org) 21.25.11 # Nico_P: Did you update the wpsbuild.pl script as well? 21.25.20 # ah, interesting 21.25.32 # It's not much, but it's strange... different binutils perhaps? 21.25.40 # linuxstb_: no I didn't. I did tha tars myself 21.26.05 Join Acky [0] (n=Acksaw@spc2-stok5-0-0-cust755.bagu.broadband.ntl.com) 21.26.10 Quit Acksaw (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.26.22 # sh-elf-gcc (GCC) 4.0.3 (rockbox patch #1) 21.26.28 # not sure about binutils version 21.26.42 # Nico_P: OK, I'm doing it now - the patch doesn't apply any more. 21.26.57 # arm-elf-as --version ;-) 21.27.07 # sh-elf-as .... 21.27.21 # GNU assembler 2.16.1 21.27.27 # odd... 21.27.28 Join relaxed_ [0] (n=relaxed@unaffiliated/relaxed) 21.27.50 # linuxstb_: it would be good to also add the backdrop and progressbar bitmaps to the tar in order to completely get rid of the dir 21.29.34 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 21.31.03 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 21.31.11 # what unit is udelay measured in by default? 21.31.24 Quit The-Compiler (Remote closed the connection) 21.31.55 Quit relaxed (Connection timed out) 21.32.59 Join relaxed [0] (n=relaxed@unaffiliated/relaxed) 21.33.21 Join boom82 [0] (n=prinice@ip24-252-122-112.no.no.cox.net) 21.33.27 # H10_007quick: It's a microsecond timer - 1 milllion ticks per second. 21.33.40 Join z35_1 [0] (n=z@adsl-1-25-222.dab.bellsouth.net) 21.34.05 # ah 21.34.09 # thank you 21.34.30 # it means µdelay 21.34.50 # * linuxstb_ reads ?delay 21.35.37 # that should be the micro (lowercase mu sign), but probably does not work in all charsets 21.35.56 # oh i see 21.37.10 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 21.41.05 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 21.42.05 # H10_007quick: were you the one that added the h10_5gb strings (or found out it needs to be done to work correctly) - I just wonder why it is necessary because it's the same keymap after all (?) 21.42.05 Quit lowlight ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.42.17 # in the language file I mean 21.42.44 # ya the problem is that it uses a different vairable than the h10 21.43.09 # so when you apply something to h10 it does not apply to the h10_5gb 21.43.32 # so us with the 5gb version were getting all the default messages 21.44.01 Join relaxed__ [0] (n=relaxed@74-130-124-45.dhcp.insightbb.com) 21.44.03 Quit relaxed_ (Connection timed out) 21.44.05 Quit relaxed__ (Remote closed the connection) 21.44.20 Join relaxed_ [0] (n=relaxed@unaffiliated/relaxed) 21.45.03 Quit z35 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.45.08 # hmm... I see. Thanks. 21.45.40 # but then I wonder why it uses a different variable... 21.45.58 # Nico_P: How did you create your tar files? Did you include the directory name in the paths? 21.46.13 # Nico_P: Your patch fails to load any bmp files for me... 21.46.30 # no, I did it all from the bitmap dir 21.47.12 # because it ahs a different screen size and there fore has a different variable for the configure file which is the varialbes that the .lang files use 21.48.00 # Nico_P: Ignore me... 21.48.30 # H10_007quick: ah... ok 21.48.44 # linuxstb_: so it works ? 21.49.49 Quit relaxed (Connection timed out) 21.51.10 # Nico_P: Yes, it seems to be working fine. 21.51.38 # any speed difference compared to SVN ? 21.52.05 # Not really... I have a version of icatcher installed with and without .tar, and they both seem to load in the same time... 21.54.52 Quit relaxed_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 21.55.06 # hmm do we still want to add this if it doesn't improve the loading times ? 21.56.30 Join alienbiker99 [0] (n=alienbik@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net) 21.56.45 # anyone here with an H10? 21.57.03 # * Arathis has an H10/20gb 21.57.22 # would you mind testing something for me? 21.57.38 # maybe :) 21.57.42 # Nico_P: I missed most of the conversation. Does it just combine WPS+bitmaps+ %X backdrop? 21.57.43 # Nico_P: I think it needs others to test. I've just uploaded a synced version of my wpsbuild.pl patch. 21.58.09 # Arathis: just whether or not i've improved on the scroll bar or not 21.58.10 # Llorean: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6571 21.58.40 # H10_007quick: can you provide a build? i don't have time to build one myself atm 21.58.48 # putting the WPS file in the tar could be nice... we would have the whole thing in one file 21.58.55 # yup 21.59.41 # Nico_P: That would require the .wps to be first in the tar file though (or we search for it) 22.00.00 # I'm happy with the .wps being separate. 22.00.03 # Alright, I see. 22.00.14 # Arathis: http://www.007quick.bravehost.com/test/h10_20gb_normal.zip 22.00.16 # Mainly I was just making sure it wasn't an idea to try to create theme files. :) 22.00.20 Join NanoThemes [0] (i=3fc6232d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-36688ba32e5ccc91) 22.00.22 # is searching for a particular file very slow ? 22.00.40 # There's no index, so you have to scan each file in the tar in turn. 22.01.01 # How do you install themes on the Rockbox interface? I'm trying to install chanel and I loaded the WPS but.... 22.01.24 # NanoThemes: go to theme not wps 22.01.31 # H10_007quick: I'm watching tv so it could take some time to give a reply if you don't mind 22.01.40 # ok 22.01.40 # okay 22.01.49 # I'm just looking to see if the scrolling is better 22.02.07 # linuxstb_: ok, maybe it's not worth it 22.02.12 # not appearing in the themes folder >.> 22.02.17 # Nico_P: does it deal with the wps/rwps of the same theme correctly? 22.02.46 Join PaulJam [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3024.gwdg.de) 22.02.49 # pixelma: haven't tried, but as long as all the required bitmaps are in the tar, probablyh 22.03.02 # hmm 22.03.04 # H10_007quick: any specific things to look for at how scrolling should work now? 22.03.09 # Llorean: do you have ideas on tar themes ? 22.03.17 # just improvement 22.03.50 Join relaxed [0] (n=relaxed@unaffiliated/relaxed) 22.04.23 # pixelma: the tar is just a replacement for the directory. it works the same so I think it should work fine 22.04.41 # *plugs in Nano* Does it need to be a CFG files? 22.06.49 # I'm adding the .CFG files now =D maybe it'll work. BTW can Rockbox play .gvp files? (.gvp = Google Video Player) 22.06.59 # NanoThemes: when you download the wps there should be a file that goes into the theme folder which will be a .cfg file. click on this file and it will load everything 22.07.10 # no 22.07.11 # alright 22.07.14 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@avc146.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 22.07.15 # Nico_P: Actually, I'm against tar themes. Tar WPSes I'm fine with, or tar bitmaps, but I like my themes to be mix and matchable for backdrop, iconset, and wps. 22.07.41 # Hmm, well is there a way I can find to transcode it to Mpeg? 22.07.42 # Llorean: good point 22.08.05 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@83.233.231.172) 22.08.11 # Nano: yes 22.08.28 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer 22.08.35 # there are sites that should let you save google videos as mpeg files 22.08.46 # Ok 22.08.53 # run a google search for "download google videos" or something like that. 22.09.46 # Or '.gvp to .mpeg'? 22.10.14 # sure 22.10.35 # How do you do the 'Open with Mpegplayer' on the nano? 22.10.44 # or do you do that on the computer? 22.11.00 # apparently they are mpeg4 with a funky header 22.11.13 # ^_- 22.11.34 # some websites will actually transcode them for you and let you download the mpeg file. 22.11.42 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 22.11.51 # Any idea on a website? 22.12.24 Quit NanoThemes ("CGI:IRC") 22.12.38 Join NanoThemes [0] (i=3fc6232d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2ac4660f9d3cb0b2) 22.12.49 # Argh! got Disconnected 22.13.08 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.213.189) 22.13.28 # what is the difference between "static int" and just "int" ? 22.13.58 # H10_007quick: doesn't feel really improved to me. a bit jittery 22.14.18 # lol 22.14.26 # I'm sorta new to rockbox *Hunts for Transcode site* 22.14.30 # static makes a variable local to the scope of a file (if it's global) 22.14.30 # the main difference is where they can be used 22.14.36 # H10_007quick: A "static int" is global to the whole .c file, and only that .c file (i.e. it isn't exported) 22.14.48 # so you can't access it from outside 22.14.52 # oh i see 22.14.59 # same applies for functions 22.15.07 # yep 22.15.14 # Arathis: really? 22.15.20 # Okay I may have found something 22.15.21 # as in public static void main(String[] args) 22.15.25 # that's java tho 22.15.30 # DANG IT 22.15.37 # you have to buy it 22.15.48 # H10_007quick: doesn't look much different to the current one 22.16.19 # NanoThemes: Do you want to transcode video for use with rockbox? 22.16.25 # Yeah 22.16.38 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 22.16.39 # I want to change a .gvp file to a mpeg file 22.16.45 # NanoThemes: Have you read the PluginMpegplayer wiki page? 22.16.53 # gvp... hmm... 22.16.53 # TrueJournals: do you have a 5gb or 20gb h10? 22.16.56 # nano: just look to the right of the video and select download for psp from the drop-down. 22.16.59 # H10_007quick: I have a 20 GB 22.17.04 # that will save an mp4 to your computer. 22.17.04 # could you test somthing 22.17.05 # Oh 22.17.11 # Thanks! 22.17.14 # Arathis: thankyou for testing 22.17.14 # H10_007quick: Let me get my cable, then sure 22.17.22 # k 22.17.38 # http://www.007quick.bravehost.com/test/h10_20gb_normal.zip 22.18.05 # I have a 1 gb nano..... >.< 22.18.47 # H10_007quick: OK, give me a second... this is your "improved scrolling", correct? 22.19.01 # TrueJournals: hopefully 22.19.12 # Did you implement dragging from top to bottom yet? 22.19.22 # I plan on getting a better iPod later but for now RockBox owns (when one figures out how to use it...) 22.19.24 # not yet 22.19.25 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 22.19.29 # OK 22.19.37 # but i thought that the overall feel was much better now 22.19.54 # let me try it out... 22.19.55 # And I thought WPS was the thing that loaded it... 22.20.00 # Thanks guys. 22.20.19 # now all I need to do is test it when it's done. 22.21.03 Quit relaxed (Connection timed out) 22.21.07 # I believe I might go into programming to help out rockbox, and make it easier to use. 22.21.27 # Seeing kind of the same problem as Jonno12345 in the forums... if I press very lightly on the top or bottom, then sometimes it'll go up one, then down one really quick, or it'll go up one, then down two really quick, however, it seems to only be a problem on the EXTREME bottom... overall, seems a lot better 22.22.04 # I'm happy =D 22.22.18 # did a lot of avaraging 22.22.28 # now to get it to go up and down 22.22.39 # dang it 22.22.51 # I hate it when it says low batt when it isn't low batt 22.24.36 # ok 22.24.48 # now it's taking forever 22.25.55 # how do you get to the starting menu? 22.26.56 Join moos [0] (i=moos@m135.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 22.27.55 Join relaxed [0] (n=relaxed@unaffiliated/relaxed) 22.27.56 # never mind... 22.28.41 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 22.28.53 # NanoThemes: I'm curious about your earlier statement - how would you change Rockbox to make it easier to use? 22.29.35 # TrueJournals: hmm, i have a 5gb version and I can't seem to reproduce your problem 22.29.47 # interesting... 22.30.03 # I wish they had givin nano movie capabilities in the first place... instead if making people buy the Ipod Video 22.31.00 # The interface would look more like the Ipod face that you could change like current only it would be default 22.31.13 # I like the original Catagory system 22.31.24 # Hm, now it really doesn't seem to be happening... 22.31.48 # like Music, Photos, Extras, Setting (Edit themes and other things) 22.31.50 # Do you have a patch that I can add to my personal build so I can try it out over the next couple of days? 22.31.59 # and the Shuffle song 22.32.02 # I can make one 22.32.10 # That'd be great 22.32.16 # Settings you would be able to Change the theme 22.32.47 # NanoThemes: What's wrong with Rockbox's Settings -> Browse Themes option? 22.33.07 # Nothing I would try and make it easier to figure out 22.33.24 # I was confused at first 22.33.29 # You couldn't find the Browse Themes option? 22.33.36 # At first 22.33.49 # I didn't know how to open the menu 22.33.56 # Not that this is bad. 22.34.32 # I think this is good, I would just try and make it easy for some one who is just learning about rockbox to use it 22.35.19 # half the problem i find with new people trying it on my ipod is the buttons dont map like people expect them to 22.35.40 # holding down menu to get to shuffle isnt instinctive, even if it is neat when you know what to do 22.36.01 # I was suprised when the button functions changed. 22.36.24 # Rockbox isn't a replacement ipod firmware, it's a firmware that happens to run on ipods as well as many other players. 22.36.34 # I know that 22.36.39 # i think we are all aware of that :P 22.36.48 # Hence the reason it doesn't behave like Apple's firmware... 22.37.02 # We all understand that I believe 22.37.42 # Then you should know the issues you mention won't be changed - Rockbox uses Rockbox's key mappings, not Apple. 22.37.45 # Of course you can ignore everything that I said 22.37.49 # ^Apple's 22.38.38 # surely usability is an important feature though 22.38.45 # It's not just ipod owners who complain about this - owners of all devices expect Rockbox to act like their device's original firmware. 22.38.56 # Usability is fine. 22.39.06 # Tapping menu goes to the primary menu, holding menu goes to the quick menu. 22.39.14 # its fine for you, i think its fine, but people who have never used it start to cry in my experience :) 22.39.17 # Instead of menu ever going "back" or anything silly like that. :-P 22.39.27 # I understand what your talking about I believe 22.39.43 # badsheepy: I agree usabilityis important - but it's based on the user not having expectations based on the original firmware. 22.39.50 # The button does what the label says, which I think is an improvement. Of course it also helps if you just skim the manual first and check what buttons do. 22.40.22 # yeah i never quite understood menu as being back 22.40.29 # and the play button should be the middle one imo 22.40.29 # Me niether 22.40.37 # TrueJournals: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6678 22.40.57 Quit desowin ("use linux") 22.41.04 # I like Rockbox 22.41.54 # Cool, thanks 22.42.11 # I also think (my own opinion) that it would be possible to make a 'beginners' rockbox which would act not only like rockbox but like the original firmware. 22.42.20 # H10_007quick: From your description, it sounds like I can have my finger on the bottom half of the pad and still have it scrolling up 22.42.46 # NanoThemes: Umm... but there are so many different original firmwares from different players rockbox works on 22.43.00 # Llorean: not so 22.43.09 # a bit of onscreen prompting would be nice, but i dont think theres enough screen space on most devices 22.43.13 # The idea of rockbox is to use NO fragments of the original firmware... making it like the original firmware would, to me, seem to go against this 22.43.22 # having a keymap.cfg file could solve this though 22.43.23 # H10_007quick: Well with those ranged, I could be at 170 and be scrolling up, according to the description at least. 22.43.39 # NanoThemes: I don't think this would be a good thing -- users won't get the idea behind Rockbox ... 22.43.42 # I think that we need to make people react more like if they had a device they had never used before in their hands instead of one they are used to... 22.43.44 # If I go from 240 to 170 and leave my finger there, the description suggests that downward scroll will continue. 22.43.57 # Okay. 22.44.02 # where is this description? 22.44.11 # The primary description for the task? 22.44.12 # the top of the flyspray I just posted? 22.44.12 # but others might disagree with me ;-) 22.44.19 # that is for a different one 22.44.22 # Is the red names a PM? 22.44.22 # Oh 22.44.32 # what red names? 22.44.58 # Like when you Private Message someone the name appears different? 22.45.04 # H10_007quick: You should never, EVER post a patch as a comment on another one if it's a completely new patch. 22.45.09 # I bet that's the "highlight" feature of the webclient 22.45.22 # Well I g2g. 22.45.26 # By "Different version" it suggests it's a version of that task, not an different patch entirely. 22.45.36 # PM's usually open up in a new window, at least for most clients. Sounds more like a hilight to me what you got :) 22.45.44 # oh. 22.45.46 # lol 22.46.01 # Llorean: it could be called a version, I didn't use any of the code that the old patch used, but they are working on the same thing 22.46.01 # if somebody writes your nick you get hilighted. Usually :) 22.46.09 # H10_007quick: No, then it's not a version. 22.46.24 # So should I open a new task? 22.46.24 # H10_007quick: You made the patch poorly too... patches should be able to run from the root source directory 22.46.25 # H10_007quick: It's not a version of that patch, because it has nothing to do with that patch other than trying to solve the same problem. You use the related task function. 22.46.28 # Bye. Sorry if I caused you to hate me.. Which is not what I wanted to do. 22.46.33 Quit NanoThemes ("CGI:IRC") 22.46.37 # ah 22.46.52 # ok I will open a new one and relate them 22.46.59 # H10_007quick: Or at the very, very least, you don't call it a "different version", but instead say "Here's a from-scratch attempt to do a similar thing" or other text to show clearly that it's not a version of the original task. 22.47.05 # he caused to hate him? Did I miss something? 22.47.11 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 22.47.14 # ok 22.47.23 # That way people like me don't read it and assume that it's the same patch, modified. ;) 22.47.51 # bluebrother: I definitely agree that Rockbox should be seen by users as an entirely new thing, rather than expected to work like the original device. 22.48.07 # Llorean: I'm not sure about that - I'm happy with improved or alternative patches to solve the same problem being part of the same task. The comments and patch filename/version number should make the difference clear. 22.48.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.48.43 # Also, the discussion about the patch(s) can be together, rather than split over two tasks. 22.48.48 # linuxstb_: As I said, at the very least, make the difference clear. 22.49.03 # linuxstb_: But if he's implementing it in a completely different way, I'm not sure it should be the same thing necessarily. 22.49.29 # It would cause a lot of confusion as to which implementation was being discussed, since it's essentially two code trees being tracked in one discussion. 22.50.00 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.213.189) 22.50.06 # Llorean: I haven't looked at the task in question, just your comment saying "never, EVER"... 22.50.33 # Yeah, I was too harsh. 22.50.42 # That's overkill. 22.51.31 Quit davina__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.51.41 # better? 22.53.20 # I've related the other one, too. 22.53.54 Quit digerati1338 ("too much work to get done") 22.54.23 # thankyou 22.54.25 # H10_007quick: why don't you sum up the average in time but use 9 different variables instead? 22.54.30 Quit moos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.54.41 Join moos [0] (i=moos@m135.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 22.54.54 # I didn't see an option to relate 22.55.12 # bluebrother: go easy on me, its my first bit of C ever 22.55.36 # could you explain what you mean? 22.55.44 # just add the values to avg1 and avg2 right when aquiring them and divide after that 22.57.41 # so like "static int avg1 = (data1+data2...) " ? 22.57.57 Part TrueJournals 22.57.59 # gimme a sec. 22.58.03 # k 22.58.09 Quit Dark_Apostrophe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.59.33 # Llorean: could you add this as a related task too? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6041 23.00.14 Join webguest73 [0] (i=3ffb040a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a408763d00bbc8b1) 23.01.18 Join davina [0] (n=dave@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 23.01.23 # H10_007quick: Those udelay() calls seem bad to me - it means your code takes at least 1000 microseconds (1ms) to run, and Rockbox can't do anything else in that time. IIUC, that function is called 100 times a second, so 10% of Rockbox's time is spent in your function... 23.01.52 # true 23.02.10 # H10_007quick: see http://pastebin.ca/479693 23.02.23 # so then how would I just measure quickly, then remember that one and measure again without getting rid of the old one? 23.02.28 # haven't tried if it's compiling at all, but that's the way I would try it. 23.02.46 # obviously two different varialbles 23.03.22 # also, you might want to put the data aquisition into a loop. Not sure if manually unrolling it is better in your case 23.04.04 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 23.04.08 # * jhMikeS wonders what he's missing about getting the buttons to recognize messages posted by a scrollwheel 23.04.19 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.213.189) 23.05.48 # Looking to get write permission for http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatRuntime for user IanLawler. 23.05.53 # jhMikeS: What do you mean? How can a button recognise messages? 23.06.07 # bah, terrible client. 23.06.30 # I have the sansa clickwheel GPIO working, but when I post to the button_queue just like the iPos, I get no scrolling but it's posting for sure 23.07.36 # webguest73: the wiki doesn't have write permissions for single pages. I added you to the write list so you should be able editing any page now 23.09.21 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 23.09.47 Part n1s 23.10.52 # * bluebrother goes switching machines 23.11.01 Quit bluebrother ("back in a second") 23.11.24 Join bluebrother [0] (i=tz0XFRF7@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 23.12.15 Join hcs [0] (i=80060dbb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-8c399c777979b569) 23.14.05 # So how can I get my code to read a value to data, then respond, then read a value to data1 then respond to the avrage of the two? 23.14.30 # such that I don't have to have all those udelays 23.15.44 # Llorean: thanks for adding the related task 23.16.25 # H10_007quick: Maybe store the history (i.e. last x values of the pad) in an array, and refer to those to create an average. 23.19.24 # linuxstb_: like this? http://pastebin.ca/479722 23.19.52 Quit Siltaar_ ("Aurevoir - www.fdn.fr/~sdescarp") 23.20.51 # H10_007quick: No, an array. This page may help - http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Programming:C_arrays 23.21.07 # k i will read it 23.21.18 # H10_007quick, use an array and a pointer to the array. Point always to the last used entry in the array, and sum up all values for the average 23.21.46 # odd, it works in the WPS but not from the menus :\ 23.30.07 # so my array could be "int history[2]= [ data , data1 ];" ? 23.30.24 # wait history[1] 23.34.54 # static int history[5]; 23.35.08 # int* histval = history; 23.35.33 # and the write new values to *histval++ and make sure to wrap at the end of the array. 23.36.24 # for outputting the data just avg = 0; for(int i = 0; i < 5; i++) avg += history[i]; 23.36.25 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 23.36.37 # or whatever length your history is supposed to be. 23.38.43 Join olle_ [0] (n=olle@h16n1fls34o836.telia.com) 23.39.48 # by output you mean to enter a value into the array? 23.40.03 Nick [Sur`DataGho is now known as DataGhos (i=dataghos@ip3e832ea5.speed.planet.nl) 23.40.05 Nick DataGhos is now known as DataGhost (i=dataghos@ip3e832ea5.speed.planet.nl) 23.41.47 Join donutman25 [0] (n=chatzill@24.244.160.233) 23.42.44 Quit boom82 ("poof") 23.44.29 # i'm starting to understand! 23.44.29 Quit webguest73 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23.44.30 Join davina__ [0] (n=dave@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 23.45.45 # nice. Sorry, but I'm doing other things the same time, so I'm somewhat laggy 23.47.50 # heh...I think it's just the button map 23.48.51 Nick scorche` is now known as scorche (i=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 23.49.43 Quit matsl (Remote closed the connection) 23.50.33 # yup, GPIO IRQ scrollwheel works now :) 23.54.47 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 23.57.13 # Does that bring with it a performance improvement? 23.57.21 # yes 23.57.31 Join ctaf [0] (n=ctaf@ram94-6-82-242-23-70.fbx.proxad.net) 23.57.37 Join Acksaw [0] (n=Acksaw@spc2-stok5-0-0-cust755.bagu.broadband.ntl.com) 23.57.43 Part ctaf 23.58.28 # bluebrother: so "int* histval = history;" creates a pointer at the array called history to add a value to the array I would do like "int* histval = data;" use "avg = 0; for(int i = 0; i < 5; i++) avg += history[i];" to select a value from the array, but does this just point to the newest one?