--- Log for 10.05.107 Server: pratchett.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 8 days and 9 hours ago 00.00.11 # Llorean: I should ask, in what manner? It makes the scrollwheel crisper though it will need tweaking. I don't think polling GPIO ports will load the CPU very much though. 00.01.07 # jhMikeS: I'm not really sure. The main "problem" I have with the wheel wouldn't be fixed by this anyway. 00.01.38 # what's that? 00.02.17 # Just the fact that when the UI gets sluggish, the wheel queues up a bunch of events, so you end up having the volume jump +20 or something. 00.02.25 # I'm not even sure if that's still around 00.02.31 # I haven't booted up my Sansa in a while. 00.04.02 Join ctaf [0] (n=ctaf@ram94-6-82-242-23-70.fbx.proxad.net) 00.04.14 Part ctaf 00.04.35 # H10_007quick, check this out: http://pastebin.ca/479788 00.04.51 # I hope it's a bit more descriptive ;-) 00.05.06 # Llorean: It actually seems better and I fixed a priority inversion in the i2c driver 00.05.43 Join case__ [0] (n=case@ivr94-4-82-227-121-115.fbx.proxad.net) 00.06.22 # It's more that I'm used to the iPod than anything else, the Sansa has discrete wheel movements so it makes sense that they aren't dropped like they are on the iPod. 00.06.32 # Ok, I think I get it 00.07.24 # from what I can see, I don't think that level of filtering makes sense here as on iPod then 00.07.40 # hi. i've a Sansa e260 for 12 hours and playing with rockbox since then... will lurk around for a while :) 00.08.49 # jhMikeS: It definitely does not. A user here can move 4 clicks, and even if it doesn't happen immediately, they should expect 4 actions to take place. 00.10.37 # that's what I'm aiming for but I seem to be getting two jumps per click for some reason :\ will figure it out. 00.14.15 # That's because each click is two actions 00.14.31 # There's basically a half-click and a full click. 00.14.48 # Someone fixed that at some point with the old wheel driver, if I recall. 00.15.28 Quit Acky (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.15.42 # still no rockbox for iPod 80gb? :( 00.15.55 # Bawitdaba: You can tell that from the front page of the site, yes. 00.15.57 # * Bawitdaba wants to be first tester 00.16.19 # bluebrother: http://pastebin.ca/479809 am I right at the bottom? 00.16.47 # Bawitdaba: There is every likelihood that the only testers will be programmers working on it until there is either a patch in flyspray, or it's in SVN, so you can watch either of those rather than repeatedly asking about it. 00.17.55 Quit donutman25 ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 00.19.20 # H10_007quick, yes, get_new_value() should return you the new value you want to add to your history. In your case this most would be adc_scan I guess 00.19.43 # ok 00.19.52 # Is it a normal behaviour that i can't connect my Sansa with the USB cable when using rockbox? 00.20.17 # (it gave me device errors in syslog) 00.20.18 # I haven't followed the exact code, so this is just a way to do it 00.20.31 # case__, rockbox doesn't handle usb yet. 00.20.43 # case__: Turn off your Sansa, and plug in the cable while it's turned off 00.20.46 # ok 00.20.49 # afaik on the sansa we can't simply reboot into some disk mode like on the ipods 00.21.05 # Llorean, yes i've noticed i can use the default firmware that way 00.21.16 # bluebrother: We kinda can, actually 00.21.31 # bluebrother: If someone would just tell Rockbox to shutdown upon USB insertion, it'd be remarkably similar to the iPod disk mode. 00.21.32 # we can? Do we do it too? 00.21.39 # We do not do it. 00.21.46 # ah, so we don't do :) 00.21.53 # We can, but don't. =/ 00.22.21 # well, then someone program it! Do it now and make me proud of Rockbox! *g* 00.22.32 # The original firmware behaves remarkably like iPod disk mode under the right cirumstances, so if Rockbox just shutdown upon USB insert, as long as the cable stayed in, it'd restart into the OF, go into USB mode. On disconnect, it shuts down and restarts into Rockbox again. 00.22.55 # Everything's in place except shutdown upon USB insert, and I'm not sure if that's being held up by anything, or if maybe there's a reason it's not possible and I don't know of it. 00.23.06 # how hard is it to set up a developpement environement for rockbox? (from a c/unix coder with no embeded devices / cross compiling experience) 00.23.07 # oh, that sounds nice. Do we miss the knowledge to do the proper reboot or is it simply not done yet? 00.23.28 # case__, if you use the script for building the cross compilers it isn't hard at all 00.23.40 # The device automatically powers up with a USB cable connected, so I don't think a reboot would be necessary, just a shutdown. 00.23.41 # checkout svn and run tools/rbdev.sh 00.23.47 # great 00.24.21 # scrapt the filename, it's tools/rockboxdev.sh 00.25.01 # I seem to be stuck...if I use binutils 2.17-3, I get "unrecognized option '--hash-style=gnu'". Using the latest build from CVS segfaults... 00.25.15 # Isn't 2.16 the recommended version? 00.25.20 # it is 00.25.28 # about the USB support, is it planned or not at all ? 00.25.38 # case__: Planned, but possibly very hard to do. 00.25.43 # the fallback to the default firmware is quite anoying there, in fact. 00.25.44 # case__: check out http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers 00.25.44 # a usb stack for Rockbox is a planned project for GSoC 00.25.52 # thanks 00.27.07 # linuxstb_: could the wpsbuild script copy the backdrop and progressbar bitmaps to the tar too ? 00.27.24 # and avoid creating the dir ? 00.28.05 # Llorean, again, i have no embended devices experience, but a USB stack seems to be a very common thing these days, no? how can it be so difficult to do/port ? 00.28.41 # case__: Writing drivers for unknown hardware is one of the key difficulties. 00.28.55 # sure 00.29.02 # We have a serious shortage on hardware documentation for the PortalPlayer based devices. 00.29.21 # We also haven't needed a USB stack until recently 00.29.41 # But there will (hopefully) be one by the end of the summer, meaning that for the devices we do have a reasonable likelihood of drivers for, there should be hope 00.30.08 # another problem with embedded programming is that you are usually low on cpu power and memory which might complicate things 00.30.17 # i see 00.30.19 # depending on what you want to do ;-) 00.30.40 # anyone regreating the good old time of RS-232? ;) 00.30.40 # but the bigger issue is the lack of documentation of the hardware 00.30.53 # case__: Most of our other hardware has a USB-ATA bridge, if I understand, meaning that we didn't need an actual USB stack. 00.30.57 # rs232 is still used in embedded devices :) 00.30.59 # Since this computer is used as a build server for Rockbox, does anyone have any suggestions for fixing binutils/ld so that I can get it compiling again? 00.31.06 # latter 00.31.08 Quit H10_007quick ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030916]") 00.31.30 # ya sure, at the end of this world, rs232 will overcome :) 00.31.51 # * petur points out that rs232 also required protocols to communicate 00.32.11 Quit olle_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.32.14 # rs232 is still really nice for communicating between devices, and most microcontrollers have one or more uart ports in hardware 00.32.34 Join _alexaway_ [0] (n=uneverkn@static220-21.adsl.no) 00.32.38 # <_alexaway_> hi 00.33.17 # _alexaway_: hi 00.33.33 # <_alexaway_> is there no way to play divx on sensa? 00.33.34 # <_alexaway_> :\ 00.33.37 # no 00.33.45 # mpegplayer can do mpeg2, that's all 00.33.52 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.34.01 # <_alexaway_> slash kill sansa :P 00.34.22 # _alexaway_, mencoder is your friend :) 00.34.23 # * Llorean wonders why the obsession with DivX/XViD among people 00.34.34 # but as you need to transcode to the screen resolution anyway (for performance reasons) there is no deal lin transcoding to mpeg anyway 00.34.36 # <_alexaway_> tv series lee-qid 00.34.40 # If people were going to be unreasonable about which codec they used, they might as well request H.264 and go for the gold. 00.34.41 # <_alexaway_> Llorean 00.34.51 # _alexaway_: You'd have to convert for screen size anyway 00.35.00 Quit idnar (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00.35.12 # i want ascii art rendering for my sansa! >_< 00.35.17 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 00.35.18 # Llorean, I think most people will expect real-time scaling like desktop pcs can do ... 00.35.27 # case__: libcaca :D 00.35.35 # libcaca would fill me with great joy 00.35.36 # would be fun, indeed. 00.35.43 # <_alexaway_> u recommand any mpeg2 converters? 00.35.54 # * bluebrother recently run mplayer -vo caca. Funny 00.35.59 # ffmpeg (using WinFF as a front end), mencoder, or VLC 00.36.08 # beat me 00.36.18 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.8.14) 00.37.19 Join idnar [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 00.40.43 Quit Acksaw ("www.acksaw.com") 00.40.46 # i'm sure asking if *** image files are supported is the fastest way to be RTFMised, so i'll only ask "where is the list of supported file format?" 00.40.54 # (please don't answer "in the manual") 00.41.25 # bmp and jpg 00.41.40 # <_alexaway_> whats the screen size on a e200 series sansa? 00.41.48 # there's a patch on the tracker for gif iirc 00.42.14 # 176*224 ? 00.42.18 # <_alexaway_> ta 00.42.19 # <_alexaway_> <3 00.43.05 # case__: the jpg viewer currently only handles jpg (funny that), itś not a real multi-format image viewer yet 00.43.18 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.43.18 # ok thanks 00.44.59 # <_alexaway_> after this converting is done im goin to bed :P 00.45.00 # jhMikeS: around? 00.45.11 # Llorean: it's just the old code put into an IRQ 00.45.49 # scorche: what's up? 00.45.57 # jhMikeS: can you please not top-post and only quote relevant info in the Dev-ML? 00.45.59 # genuine 00.46.38 # quoting 3 prior mails each time gets old =/ 00.46.43 # jhMikeS: Odd, then it shouldn't be doing two actions... unless it never got fixed. I know there was a patch, maybe it was never committed. 00.46.52 # scorche: sure. I was wondering what was appropriate. Guess now I know :) 00.47.25 # jhMikeS: if you search the archives, you will find our guidelines 00.47.30 # Llorean: I only see full clicks between each value and they're pretty widely spaced 00.47.51 # Dunno 00.47.57 # scorche: I never read squat! :P I just wait for someone to tell me to quit it. 00.48.02 # infact....http://www.rockbox.org/mail/etiquette.html 00.48.07 # <_alexaway_> hmm, why did winff just stop at 80mb? 00.48.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.48.58 # _alexaway_: Play the file, and see how long it is. 00.49.02 # <_alexaway_> 4mins 00.49.03 # <_alexaway_> .__. 00.49.04 # <_alexaway_> :P 00.49.17 # Maybe you bumped the Q key. :-P 00.49.22 # <_alexaway_> prob. 00.51.20 # * bluebrother will never understand why anybody would want to top-post at all 00.51.48 # <_alexaway_> should i select mpeg 2 or mpeg 2 video? 00.51.50 # <_alexaway_> :P 00.52.58 # well, if OE is giving me trouble there I'll try to get it to behave itself 00.53.14 # _alexaway_: The included presets won't work. Download the ones from the mpeg player page on the wiki 00.53.38 # <_alexaway_> link to the wiki? 00.53.39 # <_alexaway_> :P 00.54.08 # rtfw 00.54.22 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 00.54.22 # btw, was that strange attachment format intended? 00.54.26 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@24-117-195-16.cpe.cableone.net) 00.55.39 # so, basically it means to post your followups as a reply to your own message so it's one level deeper instead...ok 00.57.08 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.8.14) 00.57.49 # hmmm...posting wheel events without repeat flags seems the key. I really don't know what the logic is for having it there since wheels don't repeat. 00.59.13 # On the iPod it's to keep you from scrolling past the top/bottom I believe 00.59.43 # jhMikeS: for an example, see how Linus, badger, and i do it in our mails 01.00.35 # Llorean: ah...yeah, that'll happen here 01.01.08 # Not so bad here, though 01.01.12 # Since the wheel is discrete, unlike the ipod wheel 01.01.54 # it still moves pretty darn fast and you could fly right by things 01.02.33 # hey, I think I used to press menu or power when I turn my gigabeat back on and it would resume the song where I left it when I turned it off. Its not doing it anymore. Also, it randomly crashes now. Screen goes clear, but light is still on, and I have to use the battery switch to turn it off. Its been doing this for a week or so now 01.03.05 # There might be simplistic solution though 01.04.39 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 01.05.03 Quit bluebrother ("Leaving") 01.05.42 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 01.09.01 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 01.10.03 # Alonea: there was some change on the button mapping a week ago 01.11.10 # toffe82: ok. well, I pressed the A button and all that does is load the first song in the folder instead of continuing the song from where it was. So is A supposed to be the new button and its messed up or is it something else? 01.17.11 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.198.181) 01.17.18 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3016.gwdg.de) 01.18.15 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.18.36 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.164.ptr.us.xo.net) 01.21.59 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 01.23.43 Quit PaulJam_ (".") 01.24.55 Part hcs 01.28.04 Quit Thundercloud_ (Remote closed the connection) 01.29.49 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.198.181) 01.32.23 Quit moos ("Glory to Rockbox") 01.33.31 Part toffe82 01.34.40 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.35.43 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.36.19 Quit obo ("bye") 01.38.02 # ok, it's a patch then...works like a charm :) 01.44.16 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 01.45.48 Join kkurbjun [0] (n=kkurbjun@c-71-56-227-141.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 01.47.41 # alonea, when your player crashes is it durring shutdown? 01.48.46 Quit Domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.48.48 # kkurbjun: no. it only does it when music is playing, usually after 5-10 minutes of play. battery off, then on, then I can turn it on again and it usually doesn't crash so fast until the next time I turn it on 01.49.56 # i am going to update my player and see if it helps 01.50.11 # hmm, update it to the latest gigabeat software? 01.50.32 # yeah, though I had this problem before the 30th, and updating then didn't fix it. Might be fixed now 01.51.20 # I would of updated again sooner, but I have been a bit of the busy side and just now remember 01.52.08 # I was going to yesterday, but then you guys were discussing all of those problems so I didn't 01.56.20 Join lumpur [0] (n=chatzill@vie-086-059-027-164.dsl.sil.at) 01.56.23 Quit petur ("Zzzzz") 01.56.45 Quit pearldiver (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.57.17 Quit lumpur (Success) 01.59.18 Part Llorean 02.10.19 Quit gursikh ("doesn't work!") 02.11.22 Part pixelma 02.11.25 Join gursikh [0] (n=khalsa@unaffiliated/gursikh) 02.15.55 Nick z35_1 is now known as z35 (n=z@adsl-1-25-222.dab.bellsouth.net) 02.21.04 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@ppp-71-140-90-109.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net) 02.23.58 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@c-71-205-145-105.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 02.37.38 Quit entheh ("^~") 02.42.59 Join Thundercloud__ [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.14.25) 02.44.28 Join schula [0] (n=uli@dino.spamt.net) 02.44.45 Quit Alonea (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.47.01 Join Llorea1 [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-70-113-91-140.austin.res.rr.com) 02.48.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.49.37 Join nettrust [0] (n=chatzill@198.23.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) 02.50.17 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@24-117-195-16.cpe.cableone.net) 02.58.53 Quit Thundercloud_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.01.45 Join rds [0] (n=rogelio@189.142.216.231) 03.02.01 Join saratoga [0] (i=98039ac0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-90c13a415409a909) 03.02.49 # is there some good way to search two c files and see if they call any functions in each other? 03.03.11 # splitting out the WMA code in ffmpeg is fast turning into a nightmare 03.03.35 # saratoga: I know - I've been there... 03.04.04 # I think my advice would be to not expect to be able to do it in a few hours.... 03.05.26 # haha 03.05.34 # no i no longer expect that 03.05.57 # the maddening thing is I got the old WMA code working great with a front end for dumping to WAV 03.06.08 # but the last years changes move almost everything 03.06.16 # Yes, I know. 03.06.18 # new headers, contents of files shuffled, random calls, etc 03.06.39 # I've tried to do what you've doing, and got nowhere... 03.06.54 # it seems like there must be some util that could build up a call graph 03.08.30 Join perldiver [0] (n=say@cpe-72-225-231-80.nyc.res.rr.com) 03.08.58 # Another approach would be to treat ffmpeg as a reference, and implement a "wma2wav" program yourself. i.e. start by writing an ASF parser, then add the wma decoding, taking bits from ffmpeg as and when you can. 03.09.32 # yeah i may end up doing that 03.10.38 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 03.10.44 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 03.11.35 # It'd make it harder to stay in sync with ffmpeg, right? But probably easier to manage for us? 03.12.06 Nick Llorea1 is now known as Llorean (n=Llorean@cpe-70-113-91-140.austin.res.rr.com) 03.13.03 # I think you would end up with a better product - i.e. something designed for Rockbox. I'm thinking mainly about the ASF parsing parts of the code. The wma decoder itself is just one or two files in ffmpeg (plus I think some generic library functions), so that part would be easier to keep in sync with ffmpeg. 03.13.08 Join deweycooter [0] (n=chatzill@user-12lmeid.cable.mindspring.com) 03.13.40 # Sounds like a better plan to me, then. 03.14.43 # Says I, knowing nothing of the matter. :) 03.15.09 # originally i wanted to maintain their code structure for that reason, but maybe its not worth the trouble 03.15.18 Join earHertz [0] (n=chatzill@65.244.175.100) 03.15.18 Join JdG|uni [0] (i=82c20d69@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2357a50ee4b40064) 03.15.24 Quit livingtm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.17.39 Join livingtm [0] (n=livingtm@cpe-74-67-15-162.nycap.res.rr.com) 03.20.36 # saratoga: BTW, have you seen this page (about ARM inline assembler) - http://www.ethernut.de/en/documents/arm-inline-asm.html 03.20.45 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 03.20.50 # no, i'll read it tonight 03.20.51 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 03.21.04 # i did find a nice linux app for building c call graphs though 03.21.15 # graphical graphs I mean 03.21.23 Join H10_007quick [0] (n=chatzill@mnet-ki-244-78-181.monarch.net) 03.30.14 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.36.24 Quit Thundercloud__ (Remote closed the connection) 03.43.05 # saratoga: have you tried cscope? 03.46.43 Join Xerion [0] (i=xerion@vhe-382201.sshn.net) 03.48.02 # looks neat but I don't have a unix machine handy 03.48.08 # well i do, but no monitor so I'm terminal only 03.48.20 # will try it later 03.48.41 # you just need a terminal ;-) 03.53.59 # what do you do when you ipod hangs? 03.54.26 # (running rockbox) 03.54.42 # hold menu and select 03.54.44 # reset it and attempt to figure out why 03.54.45 Join aliask|uni [0] (i=82c20d66@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-38fee005a4bb7891) 03.54.54 # hold and select doesnt do anything.. its HUNG 03.55.09 # not hold and select 03.55.11 # menu and select, sorry, no hold 03.55.24 # yeah menu and select... nothing 03.55.29 # hold it for a count of 30 03.55.34 # turn the hold switch on and off, then hols menu and select for 30 seconds 03.56.00 Quit JdG|uni ("CGI:IRC") 03.56.01 Quit Alonea (Connection timed out) 03.56.45 # scorche, nothing 03.56.52 # still looking at a hung menu 03.56.58 # is it just a blank screen? 03.57.14 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 03.57.35 # just the main menu 03.57.38 # then you are likely doing something wrong....if menu + select is not working, then something is seriosuly wrong with your ipod, which i doubt 03.57.44 # "Files" is highlighted 03.58.12 # got it 03.58.20 # menu + select did it.. two hands :-) 03.58.32 # Does anybody know why if my ipod video is off and I connect it through usb, It cycles in turn on and reboot. Connecting it while ipod is on works ok (it goes into disk mode). 03.59.23 # rds: does this happen with the latest bootloader and build? 03.59.50 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC") 04.00.30 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@24-117-195-16.cpe.cableone.net) 04.01.22 # scorche: it is 070421, and around that date bootloader version (I recall I installed a new bootloader with that version) 04.01.54 Quit deweycooter ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 04.02.07 # test with the latest bootloader and build, and then come back 04.02.09 # rds: your battery is very low 04.02.41 # rds: put the hold button on, and plug it. Let the apple firmware boot, then leave it connected art least an hour 04.03.29 # earHertz: No my battery is not low 04.03.44 # i'll try with the latest build and bootloader 04.03.56 # ok 04.05.44 # BTW, Is there any way to know the currently itnstalled bootloader? 04.14.36 Join bonbonthejon [0] (n=jon@cpe-65-27-173-68.cinci.res.rr.com) 04.15.33 Part toffe82 04.18.55 Quit aliask|uni ("CGI:IRC") 04.26.03 Part TrueJournals 04.33.27 # . 04.35.29 Join eck [0] (n=_@unaffiliated/eck) 04.35.56 # what filesystems does rockbox (for ipod) support? 04.39.52 # fat32. 04.40.39 # well, I installed build r13367-070510 and the latest bootloader. My ipod video 60GB is off, I connect it to my laptop, It boots into rockbox, shows the main menu and it hangs, i.e, you can't do anything, menu doesn't respond, although it isn't completely hung, the screen brightness goes down after a few seconds and goes up when i touch the clickwheel. 04.40.45 Quit OFfSprngr ("If people stop critisizing they first have to be blind before being mute.") 04.40.51 # dmesg gives: 04.40.53 # usb 4-5: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 21 04.40.53 # usb 4-5: device descriptor read/64, error -71 04.40.53 # usb 4-5: device descriptor read/64, error -71 04.40.53 DBUG Enqueued KICK rds 04.40.53 # usb 4-5: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 22 04.40.53 # usb 4-5: device descriptor read/64, error -71 04.40.54 *** Alert Mode level 1 04.40.54 # usb 4-5: device descriptor read/64, error -71 04.40.56 # usb 4-5: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 23 04.40.58 # usb 4-5: device not accepting address 23, error -71 04.41.00 # usb 4-5: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 24 04.41.04 # usb 4-5: device not accepting address 24, error -71 04.41.18 # use pastebin please 04.41.44 # BHSPitMonkey: thanks 04.41.50 # sorry for that 04.42.25 # already up to e13367, eh? 04.42.31 # s/e/r/ 04.45.25 # ??? 04.48.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.50.55 *** Alert Mode OFF 05.00.29 Quit jhulst (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.09.09 Join Shaid [0] (i=shaid@124-168-128-4.dyn.iinet.net.au) 05.10.43 Quit Alonea ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007040314]") 05.11.51 Join ace214 [0] (i=4ae061b1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-211a9882d85a71b8) 05.14.12 # I need a little help building if someone can: I'm getting "cp: cannot stat `rockbox-info.txt': No such file or directory" when trying to make zip. I saw the inclusion of this file but I don't know how to create it 05.15.20 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@ppp-71-140-90-109.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net) 05.18.42 # hello? 05.18.49 # maybe im not receiving messages 05.20.17 Quit ace214 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 05.20.39 Join toffe82_ [0] (n=chatzill@ppp-71-140-90-109.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net) 05.22.05 # :( big crash, my main computer don't reboot 05.24.45 Join ace214 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-224-97-177.asm.bellsouth.net) 05.24.59 Quit ace214 (Client Quit) 05.26.29 # has anyone been able to play video on the ipod video using the mpeg or other plugin that is actually good enough to watch? 05.26.37 # I cant seem to get above 3 fps 05.26.39 Join digerati1338 [0] (n=Mike@70-59-30-108.hlrn.qwest.net) 05.30.05 Join lids_ [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-371a689b9206c270) 05.30.32 Quit lids (Remote closed the connection) 05.35.08 *** Server message 505: 'logbot_ :Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. 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( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )' 05.36.44 # livingtm: how large is the video? 05.37.17 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.37.21 # 56mb 05.37.32 # 320x240 300kbps 05.38.02 # should work just fine. are you running the latest build? 05.38.16 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 05.38.35 # it won't really be the speed you'd like for smooth video, probably 15-20fps, but it should be way more than 3. 05.39.38 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@c-71-205-145-105.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 05.39.53 # cant take advantage of the onboard h.264 decoder eh? 05.40.09 # software decoding takes a hell of a lot of processor/power im assuming 05.41.39 # livingtm: right, we don't (currently..) use the broadcom decoder at all in the 5G. 05.41.48 # no specs? 05.41.51 # so it's not very fast on the 5G, unfortunately. 05.41.53 # no time? :-) 05.42.05 # primarily the first, i believe. :) 05.42.13 # datasheet 05.42.25 # broadcom wont hand that out? 05.42.27 # there are pretty much no public docs about it 05.42.35 # really. 05.42.41 # i would think they would push it 05.43.20 # few companies put out docs for this kind of stuff 05.43.38 # its probably a bok mor ethan a paper i assume 05.43.49 Quit earHertz (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 05.44.01 # a paper would work if it has the right info 05.44.13 # what kind of info? 05.44.23 # addressing and such? 05.44.28 # a development kit? 05.44.31 # how much is needed 05.45.08 # i mean, its not an apple chip, i assume broadcom would want peopl eto be able to use the chip 05.45.15 # not too sure.. but some important stuff we don't have.. 05.45.34 # afaik, they only give out the docs to the companies that buy the chips or so... 05.45.38 # that is a proprietary chip produced for the ipods afaik 05.45.43 # what is the status of mpegplayer on the e200? 05.45.45 # apple gets them, because they're using them by the hundreds of thousands. 05.45.53 # we could probably get the docs if we paid enough 05.45.55 # digerati1338: it works like it should.. 05.45.59 # broadcom is marketing them to a lot mor ethan just apple 05.46.14 # are there any pauses or is continuous playback possible? 05.46.22 # it is possible that apple doesnt get teh docs either 05.46.27 # hm 05.49.19 # digerati1338: what do you mean? the file plays, and i believe it rebuffers and plays continually just fine. 05.53.04 # any of you guys the devs who would be coding it up if you had the data sheets? :-) 05.54.08 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.54.21 # elephants draeam plays at 24k 05.54.24 # er 24 fps 05.54.27 # not bad 05.55.08 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.55.09 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 05.56.42 # livingtm: are you suggesting something? ;) 05.56.51 # not really 05.57.22 # im curious as hell about it, and i know some guys at apple... but if theres NDAs involved and stuff its not likely to happen :-) 05.57.25 Quit H10_007quick ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030916]") 05.57.42 # livingtm: we would be thrilled if you could obtain the datasheets, but none of us have had any luck 05.57.46 # i would think broadcom would want peopl eto know how to use their stuff 05.58.00 # including their competitors? 05.58.24 # its just the "broadcom 2722 datasheet"? 05.58.37 Quit gursikh (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 05.59.13 # midkay, lets put it this way, I bought my wifes G5 using the manager of electronics manufacturing's employee discount 06.00.42 # but they are real tight with info, and if there are NDAs involved its not likely to happen 06.02.04 # i see.. 06.02.45 # i dunno if i can get anything but its worth a shot :-) 06.03.06 # in the past, we have signed NDAs allowing us to use it for rockbox related things and only a few core devs have had access to it 06.03.50 # what kind of info is on the datasheets anyhow? IO addressing and stuff? 06.04.34 # i dont know how chips like that work.. is there software on board? 06.04.41 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/Datasheets 06.05.23 # he means http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DataSheets 06.05.23 # :) 06.05.56 # I have a handful of the original nano's mainboards 06.06.08 # oh...yeah =) 06.06.10 # i used to have one of the boards from the 30G video as well 06.06.34 # yeah they are still in the webbing from the manufacturing stage.. 4 nanos to a board 06.06.55 # at one point i had the board with the broadcom on it 06.07.07 # about 3 months before the video came out 06.07.16 # ipod video that is 06.08.10 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.08.45 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF7F0F.dip.t-dialin.net) 06.09.22 # it isnt possible to reverse engineer the apple firmware? 06.11.28 # just to figure out how the video decompression works? 06.13.16 # i don't believe so.. or it'd be a lot of work. 06.13.21 # it's possible, but it's difficult 06.13.23 Part digerati1338 06.13.41 # maybe boot some debugger then the apple firmware or something? 06.14.01 # im not a low level hardware guy, obviously 06.14.07 # not beyond tinkering anyhow 06.14.14 # on the gigabeat, shoora figured out the lcd initialization, and that's a string of 30 or so characters that have to be sent, but we don't know what any of that is doing 06.14.33 # hm 06.14.46 # you can see what the code is on a very low level, but it doesn't really tell you what all the different registers do or what their purpose is without the datasheets 06.14.56 # im looking at the data sheet for one of the audio decoders 06.15.00 # or without flipping bits to see their results 06.15.12 # and that's a pretty long process 06.15.22 # looks like basically the DSP takes the encoded data in from the main CPU and spit the auto out directly to the D/A's 06.15.33 # video would be similar? 06.15.49 # CPU -> DSP (broadcom) -> LCD? 06.16.35 # somewhat, but if you look at those audio decoders, theres usually iic interfaces that you use to actually setup the chip, and without understanding what the registers are it's a pretty blind process 06.16.55 # and not very fun at that to mess around with imho 06.17.23 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 06.17.23 # * scorche plugs his reveng 06.17.28 # whats iic? is that different from the data bus the cpu and DSP are on? 06.17.30 # maching into the ipod 06.17.34 # * scorche hears a ding 06.18.09 # there's a bunch of ways that chips communicate from large parallel busses, to smaller serial interfaces 06.18.17 # IIC is one of those serial interfaces 06.18.33 Quit rds ("Leaving") 06.18.42 # a hardware standard? 06.18.49 # there's also spi, iis, etc 06.18.55 # they are standards, yes 06.19.01 # okay i've use SPI's on microcontrollers 06.19.18 # "serial peripheral interface" or something like that 06.19.24 # yep 06.19.55 # they have a general way of talking, but the specific "language" if you will of each chip is different 06.19.55 # thats just shift register driven if I remember correctly 06.21.49 # so it's not like you can say, this chip uses iic, now I know how to talk to it. This is all a generic example, I have no idea what interfaces that broadcom chip uses, I'm just making a point that it's not always a really straightforward process without the datasheets or userguides. 06.23.14 # kkurbjun, no i understand 06.23.26 # it just isnt realistic to say "revengineer it" 06.23.34 # kkurbjun, just wondering if there was more than one data bus 06.23.59 # i thought maybe you could watch data being sent to a particular address on the bus 06.25.12 # I gotcha, yes, that's all possible, but it's just much more difficult without any kind of reference information. 06.26.01 # kkurbjun, I would have thought it was harder to decrypt a dvd.. but.... 06.26.29 # it isnt 06.26.40 # and in todays age, it's not like reverse engineering one chip is as rewarding unless someone is really interested in the platform, electronic product lifetimes are so short now 06.27.42 # you guys do this stuff for a living? 06.28.19 # not rockbox, but most of us are in the IT industry 06.28.28 # or in school 06.28.30 # not hardware? 06.28.39 # In a way yes, I work for xilinx, an FPGA company.. yah, what scorche said 06.28.52 # xilinx.. cool 06.28.55 # I work with hardware 06.29.01 # * scorche lubs FPGAs 06.29.07 # i should have gone into hardware 06.29.17 # i want into mechanical engineering like an idiot 06.30.56 # They are pretty flexible devices. Mechanical is interesting stuff too, most of my friends are mechanical engineers. 06.31.20 # actually, I just have a general engineering degree with a focus on electrical 06.31.23 # i turned out to be a mediocre mechanical engineer with a passion for computers and hardware :-) 06.31.58 # someone has to have access to this stuff 06.32.37 # that doesnt mean they will share for free or even a sum below an extremely high number 06.32.45 # hehe 06.32.45 # scorche: or in school in the hope to get into the it industry :'( 06.32.47 # true 06.32.54 # JdGordon: line blow.. 06.32.57 # below.. 06.33.22 # * JdGordon was expaning the line below :p 06.34.06 # suprised noone at apple or any of the other manufacturers hasnt 'contributed" to a project 06.34.32 # why would they? 06.34.40 # why not? 06.34.40 # because then they would be fired and/or be sued for an exorbant amount 06.34.53 # im not saying giving a whole ton of crap away 06.35.01 # because of rockbox/ipl, less people are using itunes, so less money to apple 06.35.21 # it doesnt matter...all of these types of companies have standard NDAs when people begin work with them 06.35.40 # you know some programmer at apple or archos or something is sitting there saying "Man, i could do so much more with this hardware" 06.35.40 Join Soap_ [0] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 06.35.56 # thats not to say that an anonymouse contributor isnt helping out... 06.36.16 # they could drop some broadcom hints :-) 06.36.41 # * JdGordon wouldnt at all be suprised if MrH or the origional work going into ipl was because of people ignoring NDA's 06.36.57 # true 06.37.06 # i would think MrH works for one of these companies 06.37.19 # i dont see any other reason for him to stay anon 06.37.30 # i wonder if its possible to hijack the apple firmware..... Kindof like NDISwrapper..... 06.37.31 # because he will be in a heap of shit? 06.37.52 # call their code to play the video.. thats it.... 06.37.56 # livingtm: well we bassically do that with the ipod usb handling now anyway 06.38.10 # JdGordon, oh yeah? 06.38.18 # iirc 06.38.42 # man i wish i knew more about this stuff 06.38.45 # well, we shutdown rockbox and run something that sits on the partition 06.38.54 # by the time i got caught up, they would be on to new hardware :-) 06.38.56 # but, we have no control over it or what it does 06.39.43 # actually, i dont thing emergency disk mode is on the partition, but same idea 06.39.47 # think 06.39.51 # has anyone decompiled the firmware into assembly? 06.40.01 # * JdGordon cant ait till exams are finshed s I can try porting to the gmini402 curtosy of daurnimator :) 06.40.20 # livingtm: it really isnt that simple 06.40.31 # it doesnt mean we know what it is doing 06.40.36 # people crack games like that dont they? 06.40.43 # this is not a game 06.40.47 # they figure out enogh about it to modify it 06.40.57 # im sure its not 06.41.02 # this is a firmware...not a program 06.41.07 # just tossing out ideas 06.41.13 # hows that make a difference? 06.41.22 # firmware is a program isnt it? 06.41.47 # programs interact through the OS 06.41.54 # using hooks 06.41.56 # ok 06.42.05 # firmware interfaces directly with the hardware 06.42.11 # right 06.42.16 # it is a HUGE difference 06.42.22 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@24-117-195-16.cpe.cableone.net) 06.44.00 # "Broadcom provides all the necessary middleware and services for rapid and seamless integration.." 06.44.16 # sounds like apple didnt even get to write the low level code 06.44.34 # as i said before, apple doesnt necessarily even have the datasheets 06.46.05 # i wonder if theres firmware that gets loaded into the chip 06.46.32 # such that the broadcom chip is dumb without the apple firmware 06.48.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.49.25 # honestly, please reseach some more about how this works....at this point, it is just spam in the logs 06.52.20 Quit Soap (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.55.40 Quit Alonea ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007040314]") 06.57.30 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@24-117-195-16.cpe.cableone.net) 07.02.58 Quit Alonea (Remote closed the connection) 07.03.06 Part toffe82_ 07.05.52 Quit blithe ("leaving") 07.06.55 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m180.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 07.07.05 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@ppp-71-140-90-109.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net) 07.08.33 Join Xerion [0] (i=xerion@vhe-382201.sshn.net) 07.08.53 Join blithe [0] (n=blithe@stiletto.djblithe.com) 07.11.28 Quit bonbonthejon (Remote closed the connection) 07.16.54 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 07.17.13 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.33.55 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 07.36.43 Quit jhMikeS ("Meow!") 07.39.14 Quit darkless (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.39.37 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 07.44.18 Quit annulus_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.48.09 Join Obski [0] (n=Obski@125-238-130-88.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz) 07.51.06 Join illriginal [0] (n=illrigin@c-66-229-128-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 07.57.54 # * BHSPitMonkey wonders how hard a .ppt (or Impress) viewer would be to port to rb 07.58.17 Quit Obski () 07.58.40 Quit illriginal ("Leaving") 07.59.20 Join Llorea1 [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-70-113-91-140.austin.res.rr.com) 07.59.45 Join illriginal [0] (n=illrigin@c-66-229-128-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 08.00.12 Join annulus [0] (n=user@h29n1fls33o286.telia.com) 08.01.22 Quit illriginal (Client Quit) 08.02.56 Nick annulus is now known as annulus_ (n=user@h29n1fls33o286.telia.com) 08.13.39 Quit Llorean (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.14.37 Join AceNik___ [0] (n=AceNik@203.145.159.44) 08.15.22 Nick Llorea1 is now known as Llorean (n=Llorean@cpe-70-113-91-140.austin.res.rr.com) 08.16.27 # anyone havin a h10 20 gb & know how to compile , can you try out a patch? 08.18.48 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-bbdf5326a7b43981) 08.19.33 # does anyone know if a gigabeat will charge from USB if it's run right down so far it won't power on? Or does it need the AC Adaptor at that point ? 08.24.07 # I think that is the battery is really low, it doesn't charge on the usb 08.24.20 # bugger 08.24.38 # I left the AC adaptor at home :( 08.24.55 Quit AceNik___ ("bye guys have fun , enjoy !!!!!") 08.24.56 # or you have to wait a long time I think 08.25.19 # good night 08.25.23 Part toffe82 08.30.06 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 08.30.26 # JdGordon: your h300 has a BAD battery 08.30.30 # charged it all night 08.30.44 # took with me in morning - rebooted it: 4.32V 08.31.15 # 200m down the road: 3.59 or something, after it turned off. 08.32.36 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-42b8956f42335494) 08.34.05 Quit kaaloo ("Leaving.") 08.37.11 # I'd really hoped that writing that wiki page on the 80GB iPod would stop the forum posts. But now we're just getting dumb suggestions instead. sheesh 08.40.19 # Unfortunately, explaining things to users in a clear and rational way doesn't work to well for users who don't understand the explanation. =/ 08.41.09 # bah 08.41.19 # This ipod80 issue is getting annoying 08.41.22 # Maybe I should add a footnote : "If you didn't understand any of the above - may I suggest http://en.wikipedia.org/" 08.41.51 # Heh. 08.41.54 # LinusN did say he was going to put it on the agenda at Devcon - maybe it'll go away 08.41.59 # Probably something to do for me on devcon friday if LinusN lends me his ipod80. But maybe he wants to do it himself... 08.42.02 # are you going amiconn ? 08.42.14 # that answers that then :) 08.42.30 # This shouldn't take more than a few hours if we do it in the ata driver 08.42.43 # i am considering some 80gb work at devcon, yes :-) 08.42.44 # I think you should just steal it from him amiconn - your way sounds much quicker than his :) 08.43.05 # amiconn: you got an 80gb ipod too? 08.43.10 # nope 08.43.15 # * hax just looked in 08.43.26 # amiconn: oh i do, and the firmware is driving me crazy, i really wanna try rockbox 08.43.40 # i hate that i cant pick what i want by directory, it's so stupid 08.43.42 # i'm not particularly fond of the ata driver solution, but if that's what people wants, then let's do it that way 08.43.48 # I had a quick look at the ata_mmc stuff - but it very quickly went over my head. I *really* need to brush up my C code. 08.44.07 # and probably my math too 08.44.18 # the ipod performance sucks anyway, so why not let it suck even more :-) 08.44.23 # i know C, can i do something to improve the situation? 08.44.23 # heh 08.44.47 # hax: yes, download the rockbox source code and change it to make it work! 08.45.02 # GodEater: is there any way i can accidentally brick the thing? 08.45.15 # Hax: if you find a way, you'll be the first 08.45.16 # GodEater: and do i have to be on *nix to do it? (i mainly use winxp these days) 08.45.31 # GodEater: how exactly do you get debugging info off an ipod? 08.45.35 # or is it just a lot of guess and check? 08.45.36 # hax: no - you can use cygwin, vmware, or colinux 08.45.37 # LinusN: Of course a more thorough solution in the fat driver is still possible, but this way we could get ipod80 support out the door. And I don't think performance will suffer much 08.45.39 # You guys gonna talk about the 32/64mb issue on iPods as well at Devcon maybe? 08.46.01 # Llorean: put it ini the wiki 08.46.05 # GodEater: the actual thing that puts it on the ipod still works in windows, right? i already got cygwin installed 08.46.10 # hax: as for debugging - use a lot of lcd_puts() lcd_update() calls. 08.46.12 # GodEater: or is that where the problem is? 08.46.24 # GodEater: hell, i'll give it a shot, i just got out of class, got a week or so off 08.46.38 # hax, the tools to get it installed on the iPod run in windows yes - that's most definitely NOT the issue. 08.46.47 # GodEater: oh, that simplifies things then 08.46.55 # GodEater: ata_mmc does some more esoteric things with its block buffer because of the sh1 spi peculiarities 08.47.01 # hax: have you read the wiki page descirbing the problem. 08.47.23 # GodEater: not in any detail, something about the hard drive controller 08.47.30 # amiconn: yes - that's where I got stuck - I couldn't work out which bits were needed for a generic ata solution, and which bits were specific to the sh1 issues. 08.47.33 # GodEater: btw, how confident is everyone that i can't brick my ipod trying this? 08.47.37 # heh 08.47.39 # hax: It's not the controller, but the drive itself 08.47.42 # hax: 110% 08.48.10 # no-one has managed to brick an iPod whilst hacking rockbox on one. 08.48.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.48.36 # the only way we know to do such a thing is to do something stupid like a hard reset during an *apple* firmware upgrade. 08.48.39 # GodEater: what's the magic reset-my-firmware button? 08.48.54 # The controller is the same in all pp5020/5021/5022 devices as it's built into the pp 08.49.18 # should i be working with svn or 2.5? 08.49.19 # hax: see the ipod install forum - the sticky thread entitled "my ipod install went wrong" I wrote down the shortcuts there. 08.49.27 # GodEater: sweet 08.49.29 # hax: svn. 2.5 is ancient 08.49.37 # 2.5 is archos only 08.49.45 # and so old it's fossilised 08.50.02 # heh 08.52.05 # hmm, i gotta remember how to install stuff like svn with cygwin 08.52.11 # havent done anything like this on windows yet 08.52.38 # hax: svn is in the cygwin setup program under development tools I think 08.53.18 # yeah, i think i need to download the setup again 08.53.33 # you'd think it'd be some package management tool that's built in 08.53.35 # but apparently not 08.53.49 # hurrah - life from the my gigabeat again! Apparently it does charge from USB even when looking like it's utterly dead. 08.53.56 # useful to know 08.53.59 # cygwin-setup.exe *is* the package manager 08.54.32 # hax: how familiar are you with ATA ? 08.56.03 # GodEater: uhh, most of my computers have it :) 08.56.12 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54b1474f.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.56.15 # GodEater: not very, to be honest, but my C skills arent that bad 08.57.57 # hax: well I recommend download the ATA-7 spec in that case and having a look at it. Otherwise you'll be lost pretty quickly. 08.59.49 # GodEater: hmm, does it matter which IC it is? 08.59.58 Quit jhulst (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.01.03 # i don't see a generic spec 09.01.48 Join bluebrother [0] (i=3pmWD2Fs@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 09.02.24 # hax: http://www.t13.org/Documents/UploadedDocuments/docs2007/D1532v1r4b-AT_Attachment_with_Packet_Interface_-_7_Volume_1.pdf 09.02.28 # I think that's the one you want 09.03.48 # * amiconn wonders whether we should enable our special measures for all ata devices with large sectors, or only enable them for specific hdds with known-bad firmware 09.04.32 # I mean, the ata specs say the disk's firmware is supposed to handle partial physical sector reads/writes, just the toshiba thing doesn't do it 09.05.00 # I must have missed that bit of the spec 09.05.25 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-000ff09f7463efbf) 09.06.25 # GodEater: wow, so is this like a bug thing, or there's simply no suitable driver? 09.06.29 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 09.06.38 # i don't think i could write a driver for ATA7 from scratch 09.06.43 # GodEater: ATA-ATAPI-7-v1.pdf page 68 09.06.52 # this spec is massive 09.07.44 # hax: I think I may have given you the wrong link - check around on t13.org a bit more 09.07.48 # "A performance penalty may be incurred when writing to devices that implement long physical sector feature set. A physical sector is read or written in a single operation. If a host system does not write all of the logical sectors in a physical sector during a single command the device may need to read the logical sectors that are not to be changed into memory and then write the entire physical sector," 09.08.06 # To me this looks like it implies the device should support it 09.09.07 # ah yes 09.09.29 # I think when I read that bit, I assumed it was a warning to the developers on the host system that they needed to do it. 09.10.21 # Well, it says "the device may need to...", so at least it suggest to me what Amiconn said, but it is a little bit ambiguous. 09.10.22 Quit nettrust (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.10.44 Quit kkurbjun ("Leaving.") 09.11.29 # The ata specs are a bit ambiguous in a number of places. They often say 'should' instead of 'must' 09.12.08 # hmm 09.12.51 # "may need" is a stupid way to put it 09.13.27 # it should read "may need to read ... unless you can think of another magic way of doing it that we can't" 09.14.11 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.14.12 # The 'may need' may also just refer to 'if not already buffered' 09.17.30 # or: depends on the implementation of the manufacturer. It talks about the internals of the device 09.19.11 # well at least cygwin is updating 09.19.11 # heh 09.25.19 # alright, this thing is gonna take all night to update anyway... but i'll take a look at the svn tomorrow, maybe i can help get it to work 09.29.08 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@dhcp88.contactor.se) 09.30.25 # * hax heads off for some rest 09.33.23 # Question: Could anyone tell me what type the cheapest player that Rockbox runs on is? And how much? 09.33.38 # (The cheaper the better...) 09.34.08 # likely would be a 1st gen 1gb nano 09.34.15 # or if you find a good deal on ebay 09.35.24 # Hmmm. I'm just thinking of the various formats I'd like to see in Rockbox. I thought "If I buy them (the person who makes the format/player/plugin) a player, maybe they'd port it?" 09.36.08 # you would have to talk to individual people about that, but it is typically a lot of work and simply buying them the device is not enough 09.36.33 # I'm curious which format it is that's got you considering that kind of thing 09.36.33 # Yes, probably not. Wishful thinking, more than anything. 09.36.38 # VGM. 09.37.09 # (also VGZ, which is compressed VGM) 09.38.09 # oldskool system music? 09.38.21 # Mostly Sega Genesis. 09.38.50 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjorn@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 09.38.53 # ym2612 emulation ehhh 09.39.00 # (It's a logged format for specific audio hardware. The Genesis, and a few other devices, use the chips in question) 10.10.05 Join eck_ [0] (n=_@69.228.170.52) 10.10.45 Join br3nda|mobile [0] (n=brenda@121-73-1-165.cable.telstraclear.net) 10.12.17 Nick br3nda|mobile is now known as Br3nda (n=brenda@121-73-1-165.cable.telstraclear.net) 10.20.53 Quit eck (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.29.17 Quit lids_ (Remote closed the connection) 10.31.13 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@81.5.170.77) 10.31.46 Join lids [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-24a1e9b78c7e9ec0) 10.35.16 Quit Shaid (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.47.16 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 10.48.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.15.08 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.29.54 Join Entasis [0] (i=Jarred@ppp54-161.lns11.adl2.internode.on.net) 11.33.00 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC") 11.36.09 Quit _alexaway_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.36.25 # JdGordon? 11.36.52 Join obo [0] (n=obo@host217-41-62-170.in-addr.btopenworld.com) 11.49.05 # daurnimator: hmm.. wierd.. unless all the staying conneced to AC killed it? 11.49.29 # na, reflects same behaviour as when you gave it to me 11.49.46 # (you said should have been fully charged.... tried using it, wasn't) 11.49.48 # yeah, na before i gave it to u it spent 2 weeks connected to ac 11.53.27 # so... seems your battery is borked 11.54.10 # bugger, ok 11.54.17 # we can swap back on sunday if you want 11.55.21 # Llorean: I just go a forum PM from someone asking me "how do i listen to music on rockbox" without telling me any more, weird 11.57.18 # JdGordon: yeah, i need music :S 11.57.30 # heh :) 11.57.32 # People sign up to our forums and then only ever PM. Half the PMs I get are from people with 0 posts. 11.58.46 # daurnimator: 4.32V is more than full-charge for the H300 battery, really looks like the battery is defective 12.00.25 # (or the charging circuit has serious problems) 12.00.41 Part maffe 12.00.48 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 12.01.04 # amiconn: tell JdGordon how to fix it :P 12.01.52 # ill kill you if you put the wrong charger through it :p 12.06.46 Join AceNik___ [0] (n=AceNik@203.145.159.44) 12.06.55 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 12.08.11 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 12.13.49 # I have never seen anything centre negative besides power tools 12.13.49 # :P 12.13.58 # anyway.... surely there's a diode :P 12.16.00 Nick Soap_ is now known as Soap (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 12.16.40 Part AceNik___ 12.18.08 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF4DC5.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.20.12 Join ctaf [0] (n=ctaf@ram94-6-82-242-23-70.fbx.proxad.net) 12.20.24 Part ctaf 12.22.34 Part Llorean 12.24.13 Join thegeek_ [0] (n=thegeek@s026b.studby.ntnu.no) 12.30.56 Quit matsl (Remote closed the connection) 12.31.35 Join PaulJam [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3035.gwdg.de) 12.40.00 Part austriancoder ("Kopete 0.12.4 : http://kopete.kde.org") 12.41.05 Quit thegeek (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.43.19 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.250.89) 12.43.33 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 12.43.41 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 12.46.26 # daurnimator: One would expect a protective diode... but the irivers have none 12.46.51 # And the standard nokia chargers are centre negative 12.47.32 # ...and the nokia plug fits the H1x0 charger socket. 12.47.44 # Nokia chargers are dangerous for H1x0s 12.48.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.50.33 # daurnimator: it is also possible that the batt wire broke again, i snapped it last time i opened it, so maybe the solder job was crap and fell apart? 12.51.08 # it still turns on... to show a split second of the bootloader 12.51.15 # longer if u charge for a while 12.53.38 Join MoJo [0] (n=MoJo@cpc6-cosh7-0-0-cust124.cos2.cable.ntl.com) 12.53.50 # afternoon all 12.54.32 # i have a question: can anyone tell me what the current status of the iPod 3g port of Rockbox is? The wiki seems to be saying that most stuff does not work due to the CPU being too slow. Is that still the case? 12.59.28 # MoJo: No-one is actively working on the 3g port. 13.00.53 # okay, thanks 13.01.28 # i don't want to spend a lot of money to run RockBox, but it looks like I'll need a new player 13.03.37 # it isnt really the CPU, it is the cache on it iirc 13.03.59 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjorn@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 13.08.34 Quit MoJo (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The alternative IRC client") 13.14.30 Join root [0] (n=chatzill@198.23.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) 13.18.00 Quit maffe (Remote closed the connection) 13.18.57 Quit Br3nda (Remote closed the connection) 13.24.18 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@p549AE872.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.25.14 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484A487.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 13.29.02 Join iwantanimac [0] (n=iwantani@i157-017.nv.iinet.net.au) 13.29.44 Quit iwantanimac (Client Quit) 13.35.13 Quit daurnimator (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.43.23 # something wrong with build.rockbox.org? 13.48.37 # markun: Yes, I can't access it... 13.48.52 # * linuxstb spots Zagor 13.49.14 # looking at it 13.51.12 # linuxstb: might be another one of those chinese blackfin based DAP/game things: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10428.0 13.51.43 # works after apache restart. unknown problem. 13.52.00 # logs show no particular problem 13.55.19 # scary 13.56.20 # hmm, "server reached MaxClients setting" is probably the reason 13.56.47 # i discovered the robots.txt for svn was not set properly, so we had crawlers indexing it like mad 13.57.00 # markun: "Alba" is a relatively well-known brand in the UK at least (known for cheap consumer electronics). Have you heard of them? 14.06.15 # markun: Although that seems even cheaper (43 UKP for a 2GB flash model including shipping to the UK) than the earlier one you found... 14.06.25 # googlebot is looking at robots.txt far too seldom. blocking its' ip now. 14.07.50 Join himitsu [0] (n=himitsu@203.205.119.58) 14.11.10 Join iwantanimac [0] (n=iwantani@i157-017.nv.iinet.net.au) 14.21.04 # anyone feel responsible for dsl-153.240-54.static.indo.net.id ? 14.21.15 # it's hammering the server non-stop 14.21.20 # please stop 14.23.56 # grabbing one of the vids maybe? 14.24.06 # no, rockdoom.zip 14.24.15 # using a zillion partial transfers 14.24.23 # i.e. using up all sockets 14.24.43 # isnt there a setting for max connctions per ip? 14.24.55 # ... in apache i mean 14.25.05 # if i remember correctly, yes. 14.25.08 # good idea, i'll look into that 14.25.13 # blocking his ip for now 14.25.17 # havent actually used apache proper for ages. 14.32.59 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 14.36.00 # some silly download manager? 14.36.11 # yeah, looks like it 14.36.28 Quit iwantanimac ("iMac, out.") 14.36.30 # although the user-agent string doesn't say that 14.44.33 Part TrueJournals 14.44.39 # Zagor: how seldom does it look at it? 14.45.05 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m180.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 14.46.06 # googlebot? I don't know. I blocket its' ip now so I guess we won't know either :) 14.47.55 Join Siltaar [0] (n=Siltaar@193.52.208.229) 14.48.25 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.48.59 # so google can't search us anymore? 14.49.24 Quit SirFunk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.54.01 # i think he was referring to the download server, but i dont know for sure 14.54.55 Part pixelma 14.56.23 # preglow: I only blocked access to the svn browser 14.59.35 Join daurnimator [0] (n=fake@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 15.00.16 # might as well 15.06.05 Join iwantanimac [0] (n=iwantani@i157-017.nv.iinet.net.au) 15.09.34 Quit iwantanimac (Client Quit) 15.13.34 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.19.49 # linuxstb: no, I don't know them 15.19.53 # * linuxstb prays for a green build table 15.23.10 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust362.winn.cable.ntl.com) 15.23.40 Quit lostnihilist ("Leaving") 15.25.25 # linuxstb: does Alba have a homepage? 15.25.47 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 15.27.37 Part LinusN 15.28.20 Join himitsu_ [0] (n=himitsu@61.213.184.127) 15.29.32 # markun: I found http://www.albaplc.com but it has very little info there. 15.30.24 # linuxstb: RED 15.30.41 # your prayer didn't help 15.30.45 # amiconn: I know, but only on your server... 15.31.11 Join ctaf [0] (n=ctaf@ram94-6-82-242-23-70.fbx.proxad.net) 15.31.12 # oh? 15.31.41 # The h120 sim was one of my test compiles (I did a real target and sim build for all three CPUs) and it works fine here. 15.31.45 # ummm 15.31.53 Quit himitsu (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 15.32.02 # * amiconn wonders what's up with the bintuils stuff on debian unstable :( 15.32.17 # I did *not* update bintuils itself... 15.33.46 # amiconn: Can you test a build without my changes? 15.34.42 # Although it seems to be /lib/libc.so.6 causing the problem. 15.36.11 Join lids_ [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-aa5f8e37069e976a) 15.37.25 # in a very disturbing way... 15.38.22 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=lostnihi@c-24-1-62-55.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 15.38.29 # Yes, rather odd 15.39.49 # There must be something wrong with the package dependencies 15.53.45 Quit lids (Remote closed the connection) 15.58.58 Quit lids_ (Remote closed the connection) 15.59.31 Join lids [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-b1cf8b34a97f2e11) 16.01.29 Quit Entasis ("Leaving") 16.05.40 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@avc146.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 16.14.57 Join gursikh [0] (n=khalsa@unaffiliated/gursikh) 16.15.03 Quit gursikh (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.16.13 Join gursikh [0] (n=khalsa@unaffiliated/gursikh) 16.20.19 Quit bawb2 ("seacrest out!") 16.26.07 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@admin-147-222.potsdam.edu) 16.26.26 Join AceNik___ [0] (n=AceNik@203.145.159.42) 16.26.46 # hi AceNik___ 16.27.10 # uys i just wanted to know what kind of settings in rockbox on the h10 would save more battery life i get 5n half hrs now , 16.27.28 # markun:hey markun , so you porting new players i read 16.27.41 # AceNik___: if you browse a lot then 'dircache' might help a bit 16.28.03 # what kind of values , should idle power-off have , disk spindown hav ?, sleep after lcd have ? 16.28.05 # and the backlight also consumes a lot, so have a short timeout for that helps too 16.28.25 # if you have dircache on you can have a short disk spindown 16.28.51 # but I don't know how much a change for each setting will affect battery life 16.29.09 # AceNik___: well, I only worked on porting the gigabeat so far 16.29.18 # or rather porting rockbox to the gigabeat 16.29.20 # i have 5 as a default vale for backlight , disk spindown , is that ok 16.29.35 # what about dircache? 16.30.12 # well how much does the h10 give others, cause i know , im using every setting to the fullest n also saving bare minimums here n thr , got sexy audio from bass n treble settings , n EQ off 16.30.49 # dircache is on yes, should i switch it off, but then that causes double n triple entries due to database loading to RAM 16.30.58 # F40? 16.31.05 # what player is that ? 16.31.10 # gigabeat 16.32.04 # AceNik___: I'm getting about 8h on my H10/20GB. I don't have any EQ or things active though 16.32.21 # whats the progress with the rockbox player , i read people making one 16.32.36 # AceNik___: I read only vague plans 16.33.02 # although there has been a university project to make a rockbox player I think 16.33.30 # Arathis:try keeping , dircache on , use database, load it to RAM, keep BASS:18, Treble:16, i feel this is the ultimate useage of the battery anyone would want to experience , n trust me the music rocks with this 16.34.15 # markun: did you check out the HTML parser plugin , & also the new scroll patch for H10 16.34.17 Join Bromius [0] (n=bromius7@ws-93.ze.zapeng.com) 16.35.01 # im trying both , scrolling seems to be the same, waiting for Barry Wardell to use it though , he would know whats right 16.35.02 Join H10_007quick [0] (n=chatzill@mnet-ki-244-78-181.monarch.net) 16.35.13 # AceNik___: besides bass and treble options that's what I'm running with 16.35.17 # AceNik___: why are you asking which settings to use for better battery life if you already feel you have "the ultimate useage of the battery anyone would want to experience" ? 16.35.45 # besides, the bass and trebble settings depend on your ears, taste and headphones 16.36.04 # no, didn't check them out 16.36.44 # AceNik___: what is the HTML parser plugin used for? 16.37.15 # markun: well i just use to wonder since im consuming the player so much , wanted to know what others use , although i recommend these, i wanted to know if there is a way , that dircache would not be used again or somethin like that sort to save extra processin 16.37.48 # markun: well it converts the HTML file to a .txt, to view, its good in a certain way , though 16.38.13 # AceNik___: one problem is that the CPU in the H10 doesn't come with any documentation. It's sure we are not getting optimal battery life because of that. 16.39.38 # markun: i know many people trying like hell to find out that portal players processor documentation 16.40.34 # rockbox devs? 16.41.11 # markun: ya i guess them , i read in the forums , how people react to comments on battery life 16.41.32 # * linuxstb wonders why every feature request for divx/xvid has been closed - shouldn't we leave one open? 16.42.17 Join peppo [0] (n=slumpmas@c-b470e155.41-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 16.43.35 # linuxstb: i believe you can 16.44.53 # AceNik___: What do you mean? 16.45.09 # AceNik___: http://www.diva-portal.org/liu/undergraduate/abstract.xsql?dbid=7114 16.45.15 # who wants my ipod 80gb? 16.45.19 # you can leave one feature request open 16.45.20 # any devs? 16.45.40 # AceNik___: I know we can, I'm wondering why people keep closing them... 16.46.04 # k 16.46.51 # AceNik___: why do you have so many underscores in your nick? 16.47.42 Join kkurbjun [0] (n=kkurbjun@c-71-56-227-141.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 16.47.44 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 16.47.56 # i cant remove it , i dont know y , im using trillian 16.48.10 # You can't just type "/nick AceNik" ? 16.48.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.49.14 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.49.15 Nick AceNik___ is now known as AceNik (n=AceNik@203.145.159.42) 16.49.21 # cool 16.49.27 # didnt know that thanks 16.49.34 # You're welcome. 16.50.57 # ill head of now , markun i saw the link , lets hope good hardware expandle players come out soon, & that there soon will be pcb's of players with standard architechture made, just liek the computers motherboards 16.50.58 Quit desowin (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.51.12 # until then keep buying branded players 16.51.22 Join daniel2024 [0] (i=d0b4e09e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ba81118a37d49c57) 16.53.01 Join ptcemetary [0] (n=otio@flvpn.ccur.com) 16.53.27 # c u enjoy 16.53.29 Part AceNik 16.55.38 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@72.30.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 16.56.45 # Hello 16.56.51 # Hi 16.57.00 # do we really want to have a feature request for divx being open? We already have over 500 requests 16.57.18 # IMO we should close a lot more feature requests. 16.58.33 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-fa036c84bafb68a4) 17.03.12 Part juxtap 17.03.13 # deed 17.16.20 # bluebrother: But what's the point of a feature request tracker then? 17.16.51 # If we close things, people just request them again... 17.17.47 # yeah, just keep a DivX request open, and fill it with sarcastic comments instead :) 17.18.53 # something like : "...for DivX support in rockbox, please contact www.thepiratebay.org who are working on support for us" 17.19.43 # or is that a bit too mean ? 17.19.52 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-075-177-158-190.nc.res.rr.com) 17.21.42 # GodEater: I don't think any comments are needed - I think it's a valid request and will happen when someone does it. The more video codecs we can support the better IMO. 17.21.54 # DivX supports isn't that far-fetched imho. Afaik the video format in the X5 OF is mpeg4 17.22.01 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.171.73) 17.22.42 # I don't think so either, but until we have a DAP which can do scaling in real time I don't think adding a video codec is adding a feature 17.23.05 # How is that any different to audio codecs? 17.23.21 # linuxstb: because you don't need to reencode your audio files 17.23.36 # unless they are wma :) 17.23.41 # markun: Well, technically you do with AAC on coldfire... 17.24.11 # amiconn: reencode to what? 17.24.12 Quit gursikh (Client Quit) 17.24.12 # markun makes a good point 17.24.23 # markun: Also, divx/xvid have a far more flexible range of possible framerates - MPEG-2 has no options between 15fps and 24fps. 17.24.41 # linuxstb: I would have no problem in switching to a better codec 17.25.33 # but I suspect that people request divx/xvid because they want to play their downloaded/ripped files 17.25.36 # markun: Lower bitrate or different codec, as aac isn't realtime on coldfire 17.25.58 # ...yet aac was added to rockbox (of course in the hope of getting it realtime one day) 17.26.15 # amiconn: true.. 17.26.34 # but a audio codec is about Rockbox main purpose: playing music. 17.26.57 # or has playing video became a main purpose of Rockbox in the meantime? 17.27.07 # valid point 17.27.11 # Rockbox needs to compete with the original firmwares we want to replace. 17.27.34 # Like it or not, I think Rockbox needs to evolve to include video. 17.27.44 # hmm. Really? How much people in here care about the OF? 17.27.49 # Currently, rockbox is a dap firmware because it runs on daps 17.28.30 # But people don't seem to make DAPs any more... 17.28.31 # As soon as it's ported to the first pmp, it will also become a pmp firmware, and video codecs will be required 17.29.04 # of course it could evolve into something that includes video. But that's still a long way, and until there is support for video in the core new video formats aren't in the main scope. 17.29.26 # I dare to say that as long as we're only dealing with daps with added video functionality, we don't absolutely need to support video 17.29.42 # agreed. 17.29.52 # It's a nice-to-have, nothing more 17.29.57 # I really like the video playback 17.30.30 # But if people want to work on video support, why not? As long as those people wouldn't work on other areas of rockbox otherwise, that's okay 17.30.34 # it adds a lot of fun to rockbox for me 17.30.43 # personally I'd prefer a working replacement for a feature-blown replacement. And there are still issues with the playback engine. 17.30.55 # amiconn: jhMikeS works on every part of rockbox it seems :) 17.31.06 # I don't care much about video. To me it's mainly a "look, we can even do _that_" feature 17.31.24 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barry@bwardell2.ucd.ie) 17.31.27 # I don't have any problem with people working on video 17.31.34 # amiconn: for the existing Gigabeat owners it was a big issue 17.31.54 # The gigabeat is a nasty target ;) 17.31.58 # :) 17.32.04 # bluebrother: Going back to the original question, what kinds of feature requests do you think we should or should not allow to remain? 17.32.06 # amiconn: did you see one yet? 17.32.11 # (even though I once watched a whole LotR episode on my recorder...) 17.32.13 # there will be 2 at the devcon 17.32.46 # I think feature requests that are unlikely to be in the scope of Rockbox for a good while shouldn't be there. 17.33.24 # But isn't "the scope of Rockbox" whatever people choose to work on? 17.33.30 # it is 17.33.37 # as that request are usually made by users, and if it doesn't happen in like, the next 2 years, then that request isn't useful 17.33.38 # no point in calling it anything else 17.33.44 # neither for Rockbox nor for the user. 17.33.52 Quit JdGordon (Remote closed the connection) 17.34.10 # linuxstb: Get your first pmp port up & running if you want video in the core... 17.34.14 # bluebrother: some people are pointed to the feature requests if they want to work on rockbox.. 17.34.26 # amiconn: why shouldn't video be in the core until then? 17.34.26 # I don't say we shouldn't work on those things if someone feels to do so. But having such tasks rotting around only clutters the tracker 17.34.33 # markun: we could close them as "later" 17.34.36 # amiconn: who cares if a player was meant to be able to play video if it can do so 17.35.00 # I'd love to see some stats on the tracker about the number of requests that actually get picked up 17.35.09 # as a ratio of total requests 17.35.19 # preglow: exactly why it was so crazy of Toshiba to put a nice screen and 300MHz CPU in a DAP.. 17.35.34 # and hardly using them\ 17.35.51 # what kind of a screen does gigabeat have? 17.36.00 # markun: maybe that SAT encryption was a real beast? ;) 17.36.13 # An unpractical colour screen... 17.36.21 # preglow: the X has a 2.4" 240x320 18-bit TFT 17.36.25 # not impractical for watching videos 17.36.27 # ooh 17.36.27 # the F only 2.2, but still nice 17.36.44 # the X is really nice ;) 17.37.15 # * amiconn wonders whether the gigabeat screen also has that nasty angle dependency as the H300 and X5 and most other mobile colour tfts I saw 17.37.22 # probably 17.37.32 # amiconn: you'll see it soon 17.37.58 # only displays i've seen that doesn't have that are computer displays 17.38.07 # and they too have it, just to a lesser degree 17.38.16 # well, if you look at from more than 45 degrees the image gets darker or lighter, but otherwise it looks fine to me 17.38.20 # i think video in the core sounds like a nice idea anyway 17.38.26 # can't see a single reason why we wouldn't want it 17.39.56 # First, the core playback engine needs to be stable 17.40.11 # sure 17.41.37 # I see that comment about the playback engine a lot. In what way is it "unstable" ? 17.41.51 # the spec for the lcd of the F give 140° vertical and 130 horizontal at cr=10 , don't know what is cr 17.42.14 Join austriancoder [0] (n=austrian@80.120.117.30) 17.42.25 # GodEater: in the way that it sometimes hangs and behaves weirdly 17.42.36 # toffe82: contrast? 17.42.46 # perhaps 17.42.53 # toffe82: don't know if you saw my comment this morning - but my gigabeat was up and running again off a usb charge in about ten minutes - even though there wasn't enough battery power for it to turn on. 17.43.09 # preglow: that's odd - I've never had it do that to me =/ 17.43.16 # i have 17.43.27 # though it's starting to be some time ago 17.43.28 # GodEater: good to know 17.43.48 # toffe82: that's what I though :) 17.43.53 # s/though/thought 17.44.19 # Swcodec playback sometimes behaves really strange 17.45.45 # amiconn: Do you mostly use swcodec with voice, or do you get problems without it? 17.46.31 # Without voice atm 17.46.38 # * preglow out 17.47.30 # I mostly used voice in my car, but I havent got around to installing my trusty radio with AUX input into my new car 17.48.09 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC") 17.48.33 # markun: have you seen , wibbix is back 17.48.59 # barrywardell: is there a difference between the scrollpad of the H10 5gb as compared to the 20gb? 17.49.37 # toffe82: yes! 17.49.58 # toffe82: looks like ages ago alreay :) 17.50.10 # like a reunion, with wibbix and gotthardt 17.50.10 # markun: yes 17.51.47 # reunion of promo 2006 ;) 17.52.34 # toffe82: I'm chatting with someone with a Gigabeat F20 with hardware problem, I think you could help him 17.52.50 # markun: what is is problem ? 17.53.26 # toffe82: the Gigabeat thinks there is always a USB connection 17.54.00 Join DodDD242 [0] (i=aafc0b0b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8ff0aa81349dbf5e) 17.54.07 # markun: never see this, with the original firmware ? 17.54.14 # so he's not able to use the OF, he also installed rockbox but it also enters USB mode (if I understand his problem correctly) 17.54.25 # Hello Toffe82 17.54.33 # he tried with v2.0 and v3.0 of the OF 17.54.34 # DodDD242: hello 17.54.36 # there he is :) 17.54.52 # Hi there. looks like you already know my problem. 17.54.55 # perhpas we should go on #gigabeat 17.55.05 # toffe82: it's not possible with the webclient 17.55.07 # but you can PM 17.55.10 # ok 17.56.16 # DodDD242: look your pm 18.05.54 Quit barrywardell (Remote closed the connection) 18.07.02 Quit Siltaar (Remote closed the connection) 18.07.04 Quit petur ("dada") 18.09.29 Quit Weiss (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.10.01 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 18.12.17 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-090-237.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.23.40 Join gotthardt [0] (n=chatzill@mail.timesource.net) 18.28.26 Join Weiss [0] (i=taw27@pip.srcf.societies.cam.ac.uk) 18.29.21 Quit austriancoder (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18.38.16 Join hannesd_ [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 18.39.29 Join SliMM [0] (n=chatzill@89.136.181.105) 18.39.35 Quit The-Compiler (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.39.47 # hello 18.40.17 Quit hannesd (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.40.20 # wgere can i start translating rockbox into another language? 18.40.48 Quit daniel2024 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 18.41.16 # SliMM: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LangFiles 18.41.38 # thanks 18.41.40 Quit livingtm (Connection timed out) 18.41.56 # SliMM: which language? 18.42.17 # i want to update the stupid romanian translation 18.42.25 Join livingtm [0] (n=livingtm@cpe-74-67-15-162.nycap.res.rr.com) 18.42.32 # ok :) 18.43.02 # though there are just 3 romanian rockbox users on that map :)) 18.43.09 Quit obo ("KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/") 18.43.35 # SliMM: well, I spent a lot of time on displaying arabic, and I only know 1 person using it :) 18.44.01 # how can i use extended latin characters? 18.44.34 # SliMM: you need to use UTF-8 18.44.45 # ok 18.44.50 # unix line formatinf? 18.44.57 # formating* 18.45.00 # I think so 18.45.03 # double t 18.45.34 # SliMM: do you have an editor which supports UTF-8? 18.45.52 # notepad :) 18.46.14 # ok 18.46.21 # here are some more, just in case: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UnicodeGuide#Text_editors_supporting_Unicode 18.46.38 # notepad2 is a nice replacement for notepad I think 18.47.24 # markun i have notepad++ and i can use that 18.47.55 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 18.48.01 # i think i'll replace notepad right now :) 18.48.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.49.05 # can you give me a link to english.lang in the svn? 18.49.25 # the translation wiki page points to the one in the cvs i think 18.50.32 Quit pondlife ("disconnected has pondlife") 18.50.57 # SliMM: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/lang/?pathrev=13369 18.51.21 # thanks 18.55.19 Quit bluey- (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18.56.45 # what does deprecate mean? 18.57.12 # the entry is not used anymore, it old 19.00.21 # how do I set something to a function in C ? 19.00.52 # set something? You want to pass parameters? 19.01.42 # just so that I can say do function_test 19.01.51 # a set of if else 19.02.34 # do you do int function_test { } ? 19.02.46 # you want to create a new function or what? 19.02.51 # ya 19.02.53 # int function_test() { /* code */ } 19.03.12 # ah. int function(type arg, ...) { } 19.03.20 # ok 19.03.22 # thank you 19.03.32 # you have K&R around? 19.03.37 # type function(type arg, ..){} 19.03.58 # Yeah, you really should be reading a book/tutorial if you don't know this. :) 19.04.08 # how many strings are there in rockbox and what are voice strings good for? 19.04.33 # read §1.7 in K&R 19.05.53 # thats a book right? 19.06.02 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 19.06.47 # yes. Kernighan & Ritchie, The C Programming Language 19.07.08 # sort of the Bible for C programming. I can highly recommend it. 19.07.21 # maybe I will have to buy it 19.07.54 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 19.07.55 # Possibly. I don't think there is a free version available. But it's definitely worth buying it ;-) 19.08.28 # * intgr has never read a book about a programming language. 19.09.33 # too bad, intgr 19.10.07 # http://www.chapters.indigo.ca/books/item/books-978013109984/0131099841/The-C-Programming-LanguageConvergent-Technologies-Edition?ref=Search+Books%3a+'Kernighan+%26+Ritchie' That one ? 19.10.14 # I hate how books always try to be about everything for everyone, so 90% of the time you end up reading about stuff you already know about. 19.10.18 # should i translate in a friendly manner or a polite one? 19.10.43 # intgr: not if you know nothing 19.12.16 # i'll leave the voice strings in english 19.13.41 # The voice strings are also supposed to be translated 19.14.20 # Of course it's up to you if you want to do text & voice at once, text first and voice later, or even only text and leave voice for another person 19.14.46 Join kk_ [0] (n=kkit@ppp-70-225-128-88.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net) 19.14.55 # amiconn: how do voice strings work? 19.14.58 # It also depends on whether there is a tts engine for that language 19.15.13 # They're used for building voice files 19.15.21 # oh 19.15.35 # i'll first do text 19.16.13 # Theoretically you could even build a voice file with a human voice reading the snippets, but it's a tedious task 19.16.33 # Cassandra did that once for english (quite some time ago) 19.18.06 Quit krazykit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 19.18.29 # H10_007quick: looks good, tough I don't know about this "Convergent Edition". Look here: http://www.amazon.com/C-Programming-Language-2nd/dp/0131103628/ref=pd_bbs_2/104-7432550-0328756?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1178817459&sr=8-2 19.20.23 Join david1 [0] (n=david52@84.72.254.113) 19.21.35 Join raphi [0] (n=Raphi@pub082136121134.dh-hfc.datazug.ch) 19.22.33 # * Nico_P should buy this 19.27.22 # H10_007quick: free - http://www.nongnu.org/c-prog-book/online/index.html 19.27.35 Join krazykit [0] (n=kkit@ppp-70-225-128-88.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net) 19.28.13 Quit root (Connection timed out) 19.34.39 Join a1titude [0] (n=Compaq_A@206-163-245-140.swcr.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) 19.35.37 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 19.37.06 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host49-206-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 19.37.43 Part a1titude 19.37.55 Join Gursikh [0] (n=Gursikh@unaffiliated/gursikh) 19.38.48 Quit kk_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.44.25 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-090-237.pools.arcor-ip.net) 19.47.54 Join bawb2 [0] (n=bawb2@ip50210.estcmp.ku.edu) 19.48.34 Join ColdSphinX^ [0] (n=sphinx@p85.212.4.166.tisdip.tiscali.de) 19.50.03 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp196-251.adsl.forthnet.gr) 19.50.15 Quit ColdSphinX^ (Client Quit) 19.52.08 Quit darkless (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.53.49 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 19.54.51 Part raphi 19.55.35 Quit Domonoky ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 19.56.11 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 19.56.40 Join nls [0] (n=nils@nl104-202-175.student.uu.se) 19.59.46 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 20.20.27 # toffe82, check your PM plz 20.27.26 # hmm does someone know if there is an ftoa (float to string) function in the C standard library? 20.29.10 # sscanf? 20.29.34 Quit spiorf (Connection timed out) 20.29.47 # * amiconn doesn't seem to be able to make sense from jhMikeS' latest dev ml mails :( 20.29.52 # sprintf(string, "%f", floatingpoint) 20.30.16 # * petur misread that as string to float :/ 20.30.39 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host186-208-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 20.34.57 Join hardeep [0] (n=hardeep@c-24-5-74-88.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 20.35.43 Join a1titude [0] (n=Compaq_A@206-163-245-140.swcr.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) 20.36.39 # I'm just wondering here what kind of cpu power is required to decode vorbis, and mp3? Thanks 20.37.26 # a1titude: what do you mean with "what kind of cpu power" ? 20.37.29 # * jhMikeS doesn't seem to be able to either :'( 20.37.51 Quit ptcemetary () 20.38.48 # What decoding power would something need to decode vorbis (& mp3) in real time? 20.39.46 # * jhMikeS suspects some other interrupt that counts as another GPIO causing an interrupt flurry when GPIO IRQs are fully enabled 20.40.14 # And has rockbox ever considered supporting http://www.theora.org/ as the video codec. (instead of mpeg) 20.41.12 # a1titude: how do you measure "decoding power"? 20.42.00 # haha I'm confused 20.42.29 # Rockbox can for example playback mp3 and display wps as well as do some dsp with a Coldfire 5249/5250 running at 45MHz 20.43.01 Join werty1st [0] (n=Miranda@88.134.33.173) 20.43.02 # ah, yeah 20.43.06 # hello 20.43.14 # hi 20.43.15 # i have a question 20.43.24 # shoot 20.43.44 # is it possible to customize the rockbox menu? i want to disable/hide some menu entrys 20.44.04 # werty1st: if you edit the source code it is 20.44.10 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 20.44.27 Join Siltaar [0] (n=Siltaar@reverse-52.fdn.fr) 20.45.32 # Just I heard the 3G ipod can't decode vorbis due to the power required... 20.45.53 # where can i download the source for the archos v2 20.45.55 # a1titude: the 3G ipod can't decode mp3 realtime in rockbox either 20.46.15 # woah, ok that explains it 20.46.39 # thanks 20.46.42 # werty1st: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/source/rockbox-20070510.tar.bz2 source code for rockbox 20.46.58 # is this the lates version? 20.47.03 # yes 20.47.03 # ok i see 20.48.03 # werty1st: you can get it from svn too, check the wiki for instructions, there are also instructions for setting up a development environment and compiling 20.48.03 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 20.48.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.50.06 Part a1titude 20.51.14 Join case_ [0] (n=case@pdpc/supporter/student/case-) 20.51.48 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 20.52.53 Part david1 20.53.21 # i try the vmware image 20.53.54 Quit blithe ("leaving") 21.00.48 # thanks, sprintf worked like a charm 21.00.48 Quit werty1st (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.01.28 # half finished the translation 21.05.17 Quit case__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.11.17 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 21.18.58 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 21.19.18 Join bluebrother [0] (i=2LBVXd4N@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 21.20.09 Quit Gursikh ("Leaving") 21.20.42 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@24-117-195-16.cpe.cableone.net) 21.22.00 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 21.24.26 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 21.28.22 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 21.30.19 Quit Alonea ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007040314]") 21.31.00 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 21.31.00 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 21.33.02 # Nico_P: seen this http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10418.msg79274#msg79274 ? He's right - since the tokenizer the last image in the battery level/volume enums isn't only used for "full" as before... It's taken into account for the "devision" into parts as well. 21.33.26 Join root___ [0] (n=chatzill@201.105.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) 21.34.02 # pixelma: yes. that's something I wanted to discuss then forgot 21.34.21 # actually I'm a little surprised it dodn't come up earlier 21.39.42 # now many of the built-in wps that uses are a bit off (they often use the same graphic for "full" and the next which is now 2 "parts") 21.40.00 # like iCatcher for example 21.40.29 # but do we really want to have a special "full" level ? 21.40.47 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 21.40.58 # that's the question I was intending to ask 21.42.12 # I don't know... IIRC Lear committed this, maybe he had his reasons. 21.42.23 # * amiconn wouldn't think so 21.43.10 # It costs a bit of precision 21.43.22 # why's that? 21.45.04 # Example: The archos player has a volume display with only 5 segments. This allows for 6 different graphics, no segment and 1, 2, ... 5 segments 21.46.04 Join root____ [0] (n=chatzill@000-005-752.area3.spcsdns.net) 21.46.08 # and? 21.47.17 # The volume range is -78 ...+18 dB, i.e. 96dB. This is mapped to the available 6 graphics in a 'round to nearest' fashion 21.47.52 # well... ok. Since many of the wps creators just "doubled up" the last graphic, it most probably isn't needed... 21.48.28 # For the explanation I assume the range as 100. Then 0..9 is mapped to 0, 10..29 is mapped to 20, 30..49 is mapped to 40 ..... 90 to 100 is mapped to 100 21.48.52 # So each graphic is used for 20 steps, only the ones at the end are used for 10 steps 21.49.41 Join Dwyloc [0] (i=53688643@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-49a92bf6b5aa9e08) 21.49.56 # Having a special 'full' graphic would shift this mapping, so that this last graphic is used for a single level only, and all others would have to cover a wider range 21.50.20 # yes, understood - was just thinking that there are ways to achieve this too... with the "doubling-up-tactic" ;) 21.51.15 # Well, either a special 'full' graphic spreads all others or you need one more graphic 21.52.46 # amiconn: iirc it was you that added the battery charginh animation in the statusbar, is there a reason that it is always dark grey even on color targets? 21.52.46 # And with a 'full' graphic this round-to-nearest mechanism makes less sense, but having it like this feels more natural than the round-down which the multi-value conditionals do in the wps (afaik) 21.53.15 # I didn't add the charging animation, and I didn't choose the grey 21.53.21 Join flattwin [0] (n=perron@flattwin.perron-damour.net) 21.53.42 # I merely merged the special code for greyscale targets with the older code for mono targets 21.53.55 # Colour targets came later 21.54.05 # ok, then my memory is off as usual, would anyone be against drawing the animation with the foreground color on color targets? 21.54.18 # yes 21.54.40 # Then you cannot distinguish it from the frame and level filling, which is drawn in the foreground colour 21.55.06 # amiconn: After reading your comment about AAC on Coldfire under rockbox earlier I thought I should point out that AAC audio files playback fine on the H1XX targets so I would expect them to play back fine on other Coldfire targets as well. 21.55.17 # The very purpose of this grey stuff is to make the animation always distinct from the level (if possible, i.e. on greyscale targets and higher) 21.55.43 # Dwyloc: What bitrates are your files? 21.56.09 # Dwyloc: I'm pretty sure my 128kbps AAC test file is fine on my h140, but haven't tested anything higher. 21.56.23 # 128bit sterio with a boost rate of about 56% 21.56.28 Quit SliMM ("Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.11/2007031202]") 21.56.30 # Dwyloc, h100 is a coldfire target ... 21.56.39 Join a1titude [0] (n=Compaq_A@206-163-245-140.swcr.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) 21.56.41 # amiconn: on my h300 the whole battery level representation is dran in grey, not just the animating part from the present level, if that was what you meant 21.57.04 # dran/drawn 21.57.06 # DO you have the foreground colour set to grey? 21.57.56 # no it's white, and the battery has a white frame and inside the frame everything is grey except the part of the backdrop that shows, while animating 21.58.27 Part a1titude 21.58.28 # hmm? 21.58.52 # The frame *and* current level should be white then 21.59.01 # Only the animation is drawn in grey 21.59.25 # Of course you won't see the level if it's (near) zero 21.59.34 # amiconn: you are right, maybe my memory playing tricks on me again 22.00.21 # ... I could swear tho that it was like that before, which is probably not true... because I can remember wondering why it was grey, so please ignore me ;-) 22.00.22 # It might be possible to draw the animation with an average of foreground and background colour... 22.00.53 # * amiconn doesn't care enough to do that 22.01.08 Quit Spec (Nick collision from services.) 22.01.11 Join Spec_ [0] (n=spec@69.60.114.106) 22.01.23 # amiconn: I think I have some 160kbps ones that play but I can't seem to find them to check the boost ratio at the moment. 22.02.01 # * amiconn has no single aac file 22.03.43 # All I know is that the codec support page in the wiki says aac isn't realtime yet, and there are many reports of aac skipping 22.09.10 # amiconn: I guess we are looking at different wiki pages as http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs says it works in real time on iriver and I have not experianced any skipping problems in months with AAC, but I dont use the equalizer. 22.10.05 # hmm... that must be relatively new then 22.11.52 Quit root___ (Connection timed out) 22.11.53 # The tick was added in January, the text changed in March 22.12.15 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 22.12.24 # * amiconn didn't notice optimisation of aac going on... strange 22.12.27 Join blithe [0] (n=blithe@stiletto.djblithe.com) 22.13.49 # there's been some, but not much at all 22.13.51 # and not recent 22.16.34 # amiconn: OK 160kps files playback at about 64% boost. 22.17.31 # but the boost level started off at 100% while buffering to start with. 22.20.02 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.31.41 Join lowlight [0] (i=c730180a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d479ba050d08a6ee) 22.32.36 # AAC has been ok since the december last year, as long as you dont want to listen to very long AAC files. As it has some sort of table size problem from what I understand. 22.35.15 Quit root____ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.36.09 # I think it was Magnus Holmgren commit on the 3rd of December 2006 "Remove some unneeded code that caused problems for enhanced AAC files. " that first fixed the problem with realtime AAC on coldfire. 22.37.55 # Now if 80GB ipod support would just fix its self as if by magic in the same way :) 22.41.39 Quit lowlight ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 22.42.25 # If only there was a plugin to test decoding speed.... 22.44.03 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 22.48.12 # OK, on my H140, a 128kbps AAC file decodes at 150% realtime. 22.48.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.49.42 # As a comparison, a 192kbps MP3 file decodes 458% realtime... 22.50.48 Quit hardeep ("leaving") 22.51.50 # And FLAC is 595% 22.52.28 # I guess its a bit early to change over to using AAC instead of mp3's ... but at least AAC files playback ok. 22.53.08 # Looks like the aim should be to get codecs run at or above 200% realtime 22.53.39 # 150% is a bit slow, given that it's only 128kbps 22.54.06 # I agree it's slow, but it's usable. 22.54.07 # What bitrates are allowed for aac? Is there an upper limit, as with there is mp3? 22.54.10 Join moos [0] (i=moos@m135.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 22.54.53 # *as there is with mp3 22.55.16 # Could the boost higher boost level required to playback AAC be part of the reason many ipod users are so unhappy with the battery life they get? 22.56.21 # As I am quite happy with the battery live of my nano under rockbox but I just use it to playback mono mp3 audio books. 22.56.38 # life 22.58.17 # amiconn: From the wikipedia description - "Arbitrary bitrates and variable frame length.". So no, there doesn't seem to be an upper limit. 22.59.11 # Dwyloc: it is most likely part of the reason 22.59.22 # 'newasys goodnight 22.59.24 Part nls 23.01.58 Join AceNik [0] (n=AceNik@203.145.159.41) 23.02.15 # above 200% sounds like a very fine goal to me 23.02.40 # even though aac already does run at above 100% realtime, it really isn't very optimised at all 23.02.51 # ah 23.03.05 # hey guys i got this script from the rockbox pae , it enables you to check whether the h10 is properly setup for dual boot , i know mine is , but my question is how do i make this script work 23.04.11 # it says #!bin bash do i need to edit it to somethin ? 23.04.20 Join FAit [0] (i=1@night.newtown.ru) 23.04.28 # AceNik: I would say you need to run it under linux then... 23.05.13 # I think my usage pattern must help as well as I don’t skip files that much and I many use my nano when I am out walking and things like that, as such I think it is one of the best rockbox targets. Right up there with my iriver H140. 23.05.25 # then how can i make this script work for command prompt or can cywin do the check 23.06.07 # * amiconn wonders whwther 500kbps ogg vorbis plays realtime in rockbox, and if so, on which targets 23.06.11 # *whether 23.06.51 # AceNik: It is a shell script for linux 23.06.59 # run it in cygwin 23.07.15 # but your devivce will need to be mounted in cygwin 23.07.38 # and that script is out of data. I know how to update it but do we really need to? 23.07.55 # H10_007quick: how ?, its the ful l script is on the pae , do i make a bat file or wat , i just wanted to try this out , since it would help if we could attach these files in that page 23.08.05 # Has anyone tried the resent sansa e200 disk and screen power management changes so see if they can be used on the ipod nano as well? 23.08.15 # H10_007quick: its a good thing for the newbiee's 23.08.21 # Not really 23.08.33 # H10_007quick: i tried ur scroll patch , how is it different 23.08.47 Join p3tur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 23.08.54 # needs updating and it was desinged for when you needed to decyrt the original firmware 23.09.26 # H10_007quick: I'd like to take a look at this script, but didn't see it on your website? Do you still have it hosted somewhere? 23.09.57 # TrueJournals: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AutomaticChecking, i think it cant still work with editing 23.10.57 # OK, thanks 23.11.25 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 23.11.27 # my patch just breaks the pad into 6 sections I think, and then says that the top three go up and bottom three go down. I tried to make it so that if you went from one section to another, it would go either up or down respectivley. Unfortnetly, the readings are only 100 micro seconds apart, you would need a really fast finger to get it to work. I don't know how to get it to chech at longer... 23.11.29 # ...intervals and not stall the system 23.12.39 Quit FAit (Remote closed the connection) 23.12.41 # TrueJournals: the fact that it only works on linux means I wouldn't spend time on it, the install procedure now is much easier than before. therefore we shouldn't need a script to chech to see if it is done properly 23.13.17 # amiconn: I've just tested a -q10 (471kbps) vorbis file on my H140 - 166% realtime. 23.13.23 # H10_007quick:can there be a way to make the thing to note with direction the movement is goin each section & then accelerate it rapily somehow every step rather than breakinginto 2 sections for up n down , jus let it know which direction n accelerate 23.14.00 # kinda off topic but has anyone experenced their speakers making growling sounds when nothing is playing? 23.14.54 # AceNik: thats what I tried to do and acomplished if you can move your finger up the pad in 1000 micro seconds 23.15.30 # I might make a wiki page with all the info we have on the scroll bar 23.16.18 # This is also my first experence with C so I don't know any of the tricks that others know 23.16.21 Join entheh [0] (n=purr@88-106-252-47.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 23.17.06 # H10_007quick:well u kept 3 for down n 3 for up rite, keep all 6 n let it sense where the user is oin , n accelerate it at every section, like 1x, 4x, 8x, 10x 23.18.02 # H10_007quick:well ill also join u in a few dyas , myexams approachin , then i assure , you ill pitch in some stuff for the h10 , about time , i started learning n making stuff 23.18.15 # TrueJournals:any luck ? 23.18.26 Quit HellDragon (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 23.18.47 # so if you go from the bottom (section 0) to section 4 it will accelerate at 4x ? 23.19.16 Part maffe 23.19.31 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 23.19.39 Join HellDragon [0] (i=JD@unaffiliated/helldragon) 23.19.56 # H10_007quick:is there any option to select the speed or somethin related with the current or sensitivity that lets you accelerate ? 23.21.01 # not right now 23.21.12 # at least not dirrectly 23.21.36 # it is designed so that when you hold up or down, it will accelerate 23.22.19 # but right now the pad just gives either, up or down and the acceloration is decieded if the up or down button are held, nothing to do with the pad 23.22.26 # linuxstb: it would be interesting if test_codec plugin also could measure min/max instantaneous realtime ratio 23.22.54 # linuxstb: if a file has 140% overall boost ratio that doesn't help too much if it at one point is below 100% for some small amount of time 23.23.12 Quit SirFunk (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.23.17 # linuxstb: also, the $id$ thing in test_codec.c doesn't seem to be working 23.23.53 # H10_007quick:well , if you use the h10 Of scrollpad, its not the case, try this keep ur finger firmly pressed on the pad, jus scroll fast with ur finger , up n down alternately n c how it reacts , its brilliant 23.24.32 # svn property missing? 23.24.50 # H10_007quick:so i figure, its jus that the up n down buttons work as up n down , but the pad is supposed to follow both exceedingly well , or does the hardware say soemthine else? 23.25.08 # bluebrother: yeah, probably, but i don't know how/why 23.25.31 # svn pset svn:keywords "Id Author" 23.25.36 # Because it wasn't set at commit (or afterwards) yet? 23.25.51 # but there are usually some other keywords we have set 23.25.57 # amiconn: so it's not default? 23.25.58 # sucks 23.26.03 # Author Id Date Revision 23.26.33 # * amiconn thinks we should probably offer an svn autoprops configuration 23.26.40 # AceNik: thats what I'm trying to do, what needs to happen is that the top has the button go up, but only after held for about .6 of a second, as well as down doing down after held for about .6 seconds. Then, if there is an increase in the values read of over a certain amount, scroll up will occur, while the opposite occurs when there is a decrease. 23.26.46 # H10_007quick:even the HTML parser path is pretty decent in your build , although cant grasp what the progress bar slider does? 23.26.48 # amiconn: client side? 23.26.53 # These properties are getting annoying 23.26.57 # preglow: yes 23.27.02 # amiconn: sounds like a very good plan, yes 23.27.30 # AceNik: Did I miss something? 23.27.36 # H10_007quick:well whats the companies name or the scrollpad , do we have that info? 23.27.46 # not on the wiki 23.28.23 # what happens is at the bottom of the pad it gives values low like 0 and at the top it gives values upto 400 23.28.26 # http://svnbook.red-bean.com/nightly/en/svn.advanced.props.html#svn.advanced.props.auto the last part 23.28.36 Join Gursikh [0] (n=Gursikh@unaffiliated/gursikh) 23.28.41 Join chrisjs169|afk [0] (n=jack@pool-71-114-131-29.hrbgpa.dsl-w.verizon.net) 23.28.51 # H10_007quick:check pvt 23.29.11 # it tends to be all over the map somtimes, causeing the up down problem, but that can be solved by avaraging. 23.29.45 # amiconn: definitel 23.29.46 # y 23.30.18 # AceNik: where? 23.30.20 # H10_007quick: join here #rockbox-Ace 23.31.56 Quit matsl ("Leaving") 23.34.33 Part ctaf 23.35.48 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@c-71-205-145-105.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 23.39.43 # I was going to start making a "package" of redistributable audio encodings tonight. 23.40.01 Quit Guile` (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.40.49 # My plan was to do the lossy codecs all at the same (320) bitrate, regardless of potential maximum. Not sure what to do lossless at...should I go out of my way to match bitrates there also? 23.41.54 Quit chrisjs169|brb (Connection timed out) 23.42.03 # I think for lossless you should go for the highest compression level. 23.42.11 # that was my other idea. 23.43.44 Quit petur ("here today, gone tomorrow") 23.43.53 # Is there a minimum file size, or even a maximum, I need to keep in mind so the benchmark works properly on all targets? 23.43.55 # For lossy, I think it would be useful to have a "typical" bitate (e.g. whatever the recommended Lame setting is for MP3, 128kbps for AAC - the itunes default), as well as a file at a high bitrate. 23.43.57 Quit p3tur ("Zzzzz") 23.44.18 # Soap: Yes, around 14MB - whatever is free on the X5/M5/H100 23.44.41 # 14MB, is that a minimum or maximum? 23.44.42 Quit blithe ("leaving") 23.44.47 # Soap: Maximum. 23.44.57 # a typical rate and a "max" rate would be useful 23.45.00 # ahh, don't want to hit the drive? 23.45.30 Join Guile [0] (n=Guile@84.7.92.77) 23.45.46 # Soap: Exactly. test_codec will reject any files it can't buffer completely. 23.45.57 # can do. 23.46.24 # were is the code that accelerates when you scroll down or up? 23.47.57 # Soap: Do you have a test track in mind? 23.48.50 # Soap: Also, if you need help with some encodings, let me know. I have an ibook with itunes installed if you need itunes AAC and Apple Lossless. 23.49.27 # I mean the code that says, say, if button_up is held, accelerate 23.51.13 # linuxstb: I was going to get either an A Silver Mt. Zion, or a Godspeed You! Black Emperor live track from Archive.org 23.53.47 # Soap: Sounds fine. 23.53.48 Quit Guile (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.55.16 Join Guile [0] (n=Guile@84.7.92.77) 23.56.56 # or should I say "a part thereof", as 14MB FLAC will be a choke, hmm 23.57.03 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 23.58.59 # Soap: I don't think the test track needs to be very big - a 16MB WAV file for example should be long enough.