--- Log for 11.05.107 Server: pratchett.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 9 days and 9 hours ago 00.00.43 # Rockbox for Cowon iAudio F2, please 00.00.48 # :) 00.00.53 # coming right up 00.01.07 # X5L is so big and expensive :[ 00.01.11 Part TrueJournals 00.01.33 # preglow: Shouldn't the PCM buffer take care of variations in decoding speed? 00.04.16 Quit Siltaar ("Aurevoir - www.fdn.fr/~sdescarp") 00.04.36 Part maffe 00.05.13 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 00.05.40 # Anyone ? were is the code that accelerates when you scroll down or up? I mean the code that says, say, if button_up is held, accelerate 00.06.11 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484A487.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 00.06.35 Part peppo ("part") 00.06.37 Part AceNik 00.07.34 # H10_007quick: I didn't think there was any such code, apart from when seeking. 00.07.57 # when you scroll down a list it goes faster and faster 00.08.06 # say in the file browswer 00.09.09 Quit obo ("bye") 00.13.33 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 00.14.28 # linuxstb: if it doesn't dip too long below 100%, yes, but still an interesting figure 00.14.55 # Sure, but how would you calculate it? 00.15.55 # pretty much as you do now, i expect, samples_produced/real_time_elapsed 00.16.04 # just over shorter periods of time 00.16.18 # might have to use hires timer too :/ 00.16.43 # Well, feel free to add it... I don't think it interests me enough. 00.17.01 # probably will if the need strikes me 00.18.39 # BTW, I never realised how many different formats of audio data our codecs produce - IIUC, for WAV-writing, I'll need to deal with either 16-bit or 32-bit ints, mono and stereo, interleaved and non-interleaved and various bitdepths? 00.19.09 # So it looks like I should be using the DSP code... 00.19.28 Join saratoga [0] (i=98039ac0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8d4137141bf05b9a) 00.19.57 # well, the various bitdepths are really just 2: anything below 16, and anything below 32 and above 16 00.20.31 # Last night I had this problem, but I never was able to fix it...Using the latest version of binutils (ld) segfaults, and using version 2.16.1 says "unrecognized option '--hash-style=gnu'" 00.20.40 # preglow: What output depth should I write WAV files for lossy codecs? Is 16 enough or do you want an option? 00.21.06 # well, occasionally full precision might be useful 00.21.15 # but mostly 16 would be just fine 00.21.30 # That's what I thought - I'll try and make it a compile-time option if it's straightforward. 00.22.56 Quit H10_007quick ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030916]") 00.24.42 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.25.29 Join blithe [0] (n=blithe@li9-106.members.linode.com) 00.27.24 Join saratoga [0] (i=98039ac0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ced9f99b690672a1) 00.27.49 # saratoga: Any luck with ffmpeg? 00.28.56 Quit entheh ("^~") 00.29.54 # well i'm slowly making progress 00.30.05 # i've mostly got the ffmpeg abstraction stuff stripped away 00.30.17 # hoping to have that taken care of tonight 00.30.33 # saratoga: which timezone are you in? 00.30.47 # Eastern Standard in the USA 00.30.54 # 6:30 PM now 00.31.10 # ahh, ok 00.31.32 # honestly i can't believe this is proving so difficult 00.31.38 # i can :) 00.31.43 # * linuxstb too 00.32.16 # Hmm, H10_007 quit... 00.32.55 # linuxstb: Btw, there is code that accelerates button repeat over time. It's in the button driver itself 00.33.26 # amiconn: Ah, OK. In the generic part of the driver? 00.33.33 # if I type gcc file1.c file2.c does file2 get access to all the includes from file1 or do I have to include them in each? 00.34.06 # saratoga: Each .c file is compiled independently, and then they're linked together. So you need to do includes in each file. 00.34.10 # yes 00.34.59 # Check the button tick, especially the repeat_speed variable 00.35.18 # This has been there for ages.... 00.36.08 Join matt____ [0] (n=matt@75.136.223.186) 00.36.54 # i have an ipod video, with rockbox, what is the easist way for me to get "contacts" on there? i'm using linux, and what would work? could i use, for example, a vcard? 00.37.23 # matt____: Rockbox has no "contacts" application. Just a text viewer. 00.37.35 Quit idnar (Nick collision from services.) 00.37.37 Join idnar_ [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 00.37.56 # a contacts application would be a cool project 00.38.03 # maybe after i finish this wma thing 00.38.10 # linuxstb: oh, i understand that, but would it read a vcard? is there a list of supported filetypes somewhere? 00.38.10 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B1474F.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.38.10 # (say 2009) 00.38.11 # saratoga: Don't get distracted... 00.39.07 # does this prove saratoga does, or does not "have a clue"? 00.39.11 # ;) 00.39.18 # matt____: A vcard is just a text file, so yes, you could view them in the text viewer. 00.39.40 # linuxstb: how would that look? would it look nice, or sho all the commas and spaces in a vcard? 00.40.01 Join Hilikus [0] (n=rockero@bas4-montreal19-1242419325.dsl.bell.ca) 00.40.12 # matt____: It would look the same as opening the vcard in a text editor on your PC. 00.40.44 # whats a vcard 00.40.53 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VCard#Example_vCard_content 00.41.26 # Soap: Depends if he uses WMA or not... 00.41.37 # \are you talking about the contacts plugin? 00.41.49 # There isn't a contacts plugin... 00.41.50 # * preglow never received a vcard 00.42.09 # yes there is 00.42.12 # Hilikus: what is it? 00.42.21 # Hilikus: and how do you use it? 00.42.23 # its old, im trying to update it 00.42.32 # it doesnt work right now 00.42.34 # I don't actually use WMA 00.42.38 # Hilikus: oh 00.42.39 # or really care about it at all 00.42.48 # i think ill end up rewriting the whole damn thing 00.42.52 Quit Gnea (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.42.53 # I just thought it looked like a fun project, and my funding was likely to run out over the summer 00.42.53 # Soap: turns out he has a clue :) 00.42.58 # cause its so old 00.43.03 # Hilikus: Yes, I just found it on the patch tracker. It would be nice to get that committed. 00.43.32 # and fun it will be! 00.45.45 Quit matt____ ("Lost terminal") 00.46.33 # its the damn menu system change 00.46.40 # im trying to understand it 00.47.41 Quit perldiver (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.47.55 # * preglow bed 00.48.05 # is "offset_t" defined in one of the standard c libraries? 00.48.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.52.27 Nick idnar_ is now known as idnar (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 00.52.44 # ah never mind 00.52.55 # off_t is defined in unistd.h 00.53.09 # seems to be posix rather than libc 00.59.17 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.221.58) 01.02.04 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 01.05.50 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.12.07 Quit Dwyloc ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.12.26 Join pearldiver [0] (n=say@cpe-72-225-231-80.nyc.res.rr.com) 01.14.11 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.15.46 Quit bluebrother ("Leaving") 01.20.46 Quit spiorf ("Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)") 01.30.35 Part maffe 01.37.03 Part toffe82 01.44.49 Part DodDD242 01.45.27 Quit Gursikh (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.49.51 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 01.53.27 Part pixelma 01.54.25 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 01.57.37 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.01.16 Quit moos (Dead socket) 02.05.08 Join _BigMac [0] (n=Administ@c-71-234-95-131.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) 02.05.15 Nick _BigMac is now known as BigMac (n=Administ@c-71-234-95-131.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) 02.06.55 # Hey I am not sure what is wrong with this syntax 02.07.05 # svn revert -R . 02.07.14 # that seems to be right 02.10.47 # and it is being executed from in ~/rockbox 02.17.07 Quit gotthardt ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007040314]") 02.22.44 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 02.22.47 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp137-177.adsl.forthnet.gr) 02.23.18 Join root____ [0] (n=chatzill@198.23.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) 02.27.12 # BigMac: ~/rockbox is the directory containing apps, firmware, tools etc? 02.30.11 # yup 02.31.34 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 02.31.35 Join XavierGr_ [0] (n=xavier@ppp141-185.adsl.forthnet.gr) 02.32.26 # BigMac: Does "svn revert -R apps" work? 02.32.56 # yes 02.35.50 # OK, so it just seems that svn doesn't like -R in the top-level direcory. 02.36.07 # so cd out of it? 02.37.31 # You said that "svn revert -R apps" works? 02.38.50 # yes 02.40.03 # So just do that. 02.40.37 # Yes but I would like to know why the regular command isn't working 02.41.32 Join ctaf [0] (n=ctaf@ram94-6-82-242-23-70.fbx.proxad.net) 02.41.47 Part ctaf 02.43.02 Join jhulst_ [0] (n=jhulst@c-71-205-145-105.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 02.45.13 # BigMac: Well, I've just tried it and worked fine for me. Do you have a ".svn" directory in ~/rockbox ? 02.45.55 # No I don't 02.46.28 # Then that's the problem - SVN doesn't recognise "." as being part of an SVN repository because there is no .svn directory. 02.46.59 # Hmm I must have not downloaded it when svn co svn ing? 02.47.28 # SVN should have created it. Did you move things after downloading them? 02.47.52 # nope 02.47.53 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 02.47.59 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 02.48.01 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-71-154-233-42.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) 02.48.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.52.07 Quit jhulst (Connection timed out) 03.40.53 Join chrisjs169|brb [0] (n=jack@pool-71-114-131-29.hrbgpa.dsl-w.verizon.net) 03.45.12 Join Soap_ [0] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 03.47.41 Join Acidictadpole [0] (n=dave@CPE000f3d9e7ceb-CM000f9f7817e2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 03.47.57 Join Guile` [0] (n=Guile@84.7.92.77) 03.47.58 # hi, i recently redid the songs on my ipod 4g Gray and it won't boot anymore 03.48.13 # i cant find a troubleshooting part of the forum so i came here 03.48.36 Join Whopper [0] (n=colin@wikipedia/wossi) 03.48.49 Join Gursikh [0] (n=Gursikh@unaffiliated/gursikh) 03.54.06 Join bammargera [0] (i=1800ee51@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-cc5b217a8a210047) 03.54.07 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@24-117-195-16.cpe.cableone.net) 03.54.13 Quit chrisjs169|afk (Success) 03.54.15 # hello can someone help me? 03.54.25 # hello? 03.54.36 # ask a question 03.55.15 # How to i add music to my newly modded rockbox ipod nano 1st gen? 03.55.29 Part BigMac 03.55.41 # bammargera: what do you mean ? 03.55.46 # sorry i mean 03.55.47 # ummm, don't know anything about nano's, but you can probably find the answer in the manual. 03.55.51 # just drag and drop music folders, or if it's itunes music just update the database 03.56.12 # will my ipod still work with itunes even after changing the firmware? 03.57.54 # Also, what steps do i take into adding a video? Does the length and width have to be changed to put it onto my Ipod? 03.59.16 # thanks for the help 04.00.41 Join Guile`` [0] (n=Guile@84.7.92.77) 04.01.17 Quit Soap (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.01.30 Join ctaf [0] (n=ctaf@ram94-6-82-242-23-70.fbx.proxad.net) 04.01.36 Part ctaf 04.03.01 # wait 04.03.08 # can someone answer one easy question 04.03.21 # i can 04.03.24 # wheres my music on thet ipod nano? After i changed the firmware i couldnt find it... 04.03.32 # in Files 04.03.36 # or just update the database 04.03.41 # and it will all be listed in it 04.03.47 Quit Guile (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.03.58 # bammargera: read the manual...it will tell you this and much more 04.04.03 # umm how do i update the database? 04.04.31 # bammargera: read the manual...it will tell you this and much more 04.04.31 # wait nvm i think i found it 04.04.38 # scorche, ty 04.04.45 # i kind of skimmed it though 04.04.50 # ha... 04.04.55 # better actually read it 04.06.11 Join Shaid [0] (i=shaid@203-214-28-78.dyn.iinet.net.au) 04.06.17 # is there anyway to change the background of the ipod nano? 04.06.25 # instead of a blue mybe like a red? 04.06.27 # or purple 04.06.29 # yes 04.06.44 # can you share this information? 04.06.47 # bammargera: read the manual...it will tell you this and much more 04.06.49 # =) 04.07.07 Quit bammargera ("CGI:IRC") 04.10.15 # * Alonea searches for mysterious echo 04.11.55 # * Whopper responds. 04.12.16 Quit amigan (Remote closed the connection) 04.12.57 # ^___^ 04.13.01 # Whopper: heh...you are in here too? 04.17.03 Join bonbonthejon [0] (n=jon@cpe-69-133-37-32.cinci.res.rr.com) 04.17.10 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.206.172) 04.19.16 Quit Guile` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.24.06 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.26.52 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 04.27.06 Quit secleinteer (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.30.24 Join ilikepie [0] (n=bill@d209-89-218-135.abhsia.telus.net) 04.30.35 # scorche: Yeah. 04.32.20 Join hcs [0] (n=hcs@ool-4352471e.dyn.optonline.net) 04.37.52 Nick Soap_ is now known as Soap (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 04.38.07 # hey all 04.38.31 # i like pie too 04.39.27 # lol 04.39.35 # what kind 04.39.51 # apple, pear, pineapple 04.40.05 # thoes are good 04.40.50 # so does any body know when usb support for the sansa e260 is going to be out 04.42.34 Quit Thundercloud_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.42.55 # nope, probably IR support will even come before then....hehe! and btw, that probably isn't a bad thing ;) 04.43.21 # ir?? 04.43.26 # the sansa has ir? 04.43.36 # no, it's a mod i'm trying out 04.44.11 # kewl can you send a like to a diagram 04.46.40 # a mod? 04.46.44 # well actually....i've kinda upped the ante on the components....i decided that because i wanted an `active t-splitter' (so you could listen to music and control ir/irda at near same time without reconnecting anything), it's going to take some logical components...a lot and plus there's the led driver, so then i just decided to forget that, and go for a chip implementation! 04.47.03 # so now i'm writing in confluence... 04.47.15 # why do you want an ir 04.47.38 # if you had it in the sansa it would make a kewl remote 04.47.52 # for compatibility with other targets...so you could share music 04.47.52 # only his 04.47.57 # no 04.48.03 # it uses the audio port 04.48.07 # ooh 04.48.09 # any rockbox target can use it 04.48.21 # but you need the ir hardware 04.48.28 # nobody is going to have that except you 04.48.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.48.45 # true, that's where i am trying to make the designs...and i'll provide it under a free license of course.. 04.48.49 # unless he sells it 04.48.53 # exactly 04.49.19 # whats the bandwidth of that? i feel like you cant use ir for anything more than turn up the volume 04.49.51 # i think it would be enough for sending music 04.49.53 # once again, i was surprised until i did the research. the ir protocol goes up to about 2 MB/s 04.49.59 # for FIR 04.50.12 # thats not bad 04.50.32 # is the processor able to produce that much data? 04.50.41 # and...it can go higher with tweaking of the protocol (version 2 of irda plans for 12 MB/s) 04.51.00 # you mean the DAC? 04.51.22 # it really wouldn't be the processor, it's the DAC that's going to be the limiting factor 04.52.07 # do you need special leds to transmit that fast? 04.52.18 # yes, and to get awesome range.... 04.52.23 # i'll show you the ones i'm using 04.52.46 # http://www.roithner-laser.com/Pictures/ELJ-xxx-211_series.gif 04.52.50 # those beasts ;) 04.53.08 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 04.53.12 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 04.54.03 Part toffe82 04.55.19 # them nice leds 04.55.38 Quit hcs () 04.56.34 Join Xerion [0] (i=xerion@vhe-382201.sshn.net) 04.56.34 # they can't be too cheap 04.56.47 # $15 04.56.51 # ouch 04.58.07 # could you go through the dock connector then thee dac wouldent be the limiting factor 04.58.34 # could you then go a usb 2.0 speeds 04.59.28 # true, and i'm planning on making a version for that...but remember, V 1.0 is for backwards compatibility, so people with past players can move their data around 05.00.10 # o i see that makes cents 05.01.12 # i did a board with irs to use them as a universal r/c controlled by my computer, i got it to work but the range was pretty bad, it was very directional, you had to point it directly at the receiver 05.01.58 # so for unidirectional could you use more leds spread out 05.02.14 # heh, i see that more as a feature....just so that speeds wont get slowed down by interference from other players 05.02.47 # and the angle can be spread out to over like 40 degrees...so yeah 05.04.04 # well i shuold go bye 05.04.07 Quit ilikepie () 05.04.55 # also, if anyone wants to comment on version .01 of the casing for the parts...(it's pretty bad) i'd be very grateful. http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/7893/audioos2.jpg 05.17.33 Quit Gursikh (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.29.57 Join amigan [0] (i=dcp1990@unaffiliated/amigan) 05.42.31 Join Slopoke [0] (n=sila@122-64-239.dr.cgocable.ca) 05.43.39 # Hi! 05.43.52 # I need some support please 05.44.08 # what's the problem?? 05.44.55 # I installed Rockbox on my Sansa mp3 player and now the mp3 player isnt recognized as a Disk drive on my PC 05.45.34 # I can't access it anymore... it says that I plugged some USB device... but that it doesnt recognize what kind of device it is 05.45.46 # did you boot to OF? 05.45.59 # OF ? 05.46.08 # original firmware 05.46.45 # No, i booted with Rockbox 05.47.42 # if i'm plugging my Sansa before booting it, it opens the OF ... but i suppopse it's still loaded by Rockbox, so it's never recognized by my PC 05.48.40 # rockbox doesn't have a usb stack 05.48.48 # it's in the works 05.49.50 # you need it controlled either via hardware or by a not-existing-atm-usb-stack 05.49.56 # oh so now how can i uninstall Rockbox if i can't even access the file that i have to delete ? 05.50.16 # you don't have to uninstall...you just have to boot into the OF 05.50.29 # holding down |<< as you boot 05.50.34 # as described in the manual 05.50.40 # ahhh okay !! 05.50.47 # i didn't see this information 05.50.49 # thanks! 05.50.53 # i'll try it right now 05.50.55 # yup 05.51.47 # ah yeah, now i can access it 05.51.52 # :D 05.52.48 # it's weird because i accessed the OF before by plugging the USB cable while it was Off 05.53.09 # but the player didn't showed as a Disk drive 05.53.28 # but now it's recgnized! 05.54.42 # so if one day i want to uninstall Rockbox, i suppose i'll have to be in that mode, right? 05.54.51 # in the OF 05.55.48 # also if i want to put MP3s in it too and play them with Rockbox... 05.55.52 # right, and then you'll whip out the manual; (delete the .rockbox directory and the rockbox exe) 05.56.16 # yeah, i saw that in the manual, i red many pages of it 05.56.20 # that's well written 05.56.41 # is the USB function available for others mp3 players? 05.57.20 # there's currently no stack (which means software init) everything is done by the hardware without rockbox even knowing about it to my knowledge 05.57.50 # ahhhh i see 05.58.00 # now i understand 05.58.23 Part Hilikus 05.59.05 # when i'm loading the OF by holding the key <<| pressed ... its using the Rockbox bootloader to boot the OF right? 06.02.42 # ummm it's a patched mi4, so it's seperate from rockbox...rockbox is actually target independent for the most part. think about it like a regular pc (in that you need a bootloader such as grub for different archs) but yeah, the rockbox _bootloader_ chainloads the OF kernel 06.03.43 # ahh okay ! that's cool, i just discovered Rockbox and didn't know about that kinds of projects 06.03.52 # it can really expands the possibilities 06.05.26 # hehe, indeed it can! but of course then i could go on one of my ramblings about my little mod for the players...and tell you how _that_ is realllly useful, but that relies on rockbox. so yes, rockbox is very useful! 06.09.07 Join Urtubi [0] (n=sila@232-153.dr.cgocable.ca) 06.09.40 # sorry, it's me Slopoke, but my connection closed 06.10.03 # There was one thing that i'd like to know thought... it may seems to be a really numb question, but how can I play a Mp3 in Rockbox?? lolll 06.10.28 # I played games, etc... but never was able to play a Mp3 or view a picture 06.10.39 # look in Files 06.11.06 # Hum hum... they don't show, i think it's because they are hidden files 06.11.26 # oh well then go to settings and change the file settings to show hidden files 06.11.36 # hehe 06.12.08 # but is the Viewer functions? I saw the files, but weren't able to open them 06.12.36 # well then it's a file not recognized 06.12.57 # ahh i see 06.13.19 # Doom is functionning just on few Mp3 players right? 06.14.09 # well, depends on your lcd screen (whether you have one or not) 06.14.53 # ah ok! because mine has an LCD screen but the game isnt working 06.15.04 # did you download the free doom wad? 06.15.16 # be sure to check all the docs!! 06.16.55 # ahh okay! i think i'll have to check few more things in that case... i thought that because the plugin for Doom was in, the game would work 06.17.03 # i see that i was wrong, i need some other files 06.17.13 Join gursikh [0] (n=khalsa@unaffiliated/gursikh) 06.19.33 # i'll try it, i'd like to play this game :P 06.21.53 Quit blithe ("leaving") 06.22.06 Join blithe [0] (n=blithe@li9-106.members.linode.com) 06.22.53 # Thank you very much Joely ! 06.23.04 # you're welcome 06.23.21 # i thought that i did something wrong and weren't be able to access the Drive of my Mp3 player anymore 06.23.25 # i was a bit worried thought lol 06.25.22 Quit Slopoke (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.25.30 # I have to go, it's a bit late! Bye bye and thanks again 06.28.46 # hmm, any room left at the devconwest?? :) maybe for about three people willing to present the actual hardware for the IR idea, help code, share a friendly drink, etc? haha 06.29.35 Quit Urtubi ("Vive le METAL!!!!!!! \m/") 06.29.49 # well, i suppose you are quite welcome to come 06.30.23 # :), I was just about to say talk to scorche 06.30.44 # send me a mail so i know who you are and can contact you, and add yourself to the wiki as everyone has and as i ask 06.31.13 # ok, sure thing 06.31.31 # and pay attention to the Dev-ML for announcements 06.31.51 # scorche, what're the thoughts on useless people attending? 06.32.03 # ouch 06.32.09 # thanks gursikh :-P 06.32.15 # oh no not you, me1 06.32.18 # linuxstb (or whoever): http://rockbox.cleansoap.org/files/RockboxEncodes.zip is my complete collection of "standardized" encodes, covering the full range of (music) codecs, and all small enough to fit in a 14.1MB audio buffer. Source http://www.archive.org/details/gybe2000-12-02.shnf I'll start work on a benchmarking wiki page tomorrow if someone doesn't beat me to it. 06.32.24 # s/1/! 06.32.42 # hehe, didnt mean it that way Joely 06.33.20 # gursikh: well, it is their money to fly out there and their money to stay there, so as long as they dont sit there and ask when we will support the nano second gen, ask for cheats to be added to doom, or ask questions answered int he manual, they are free to come 06.33.36 # haha 06.33.40 # i just need to knwo about it =) 06.33.50 # I was thinking that an agreement should be reached on what (if not all) of the files I encoded should be used, or if perhaps new encodes should be made - new encodes which would attempt to "force" the natively VBR codecs to all output an encode at the same bitrate. 06.34.01 # what if I want to just come and chill with your rockbox dudes just because I love rockbox? 06.34.28 # even if I will end up sitting in the corner and cheering you on (much like I do now...) 06.34.57 # as is, I encoded lossless in standard and max modes, and lossy in 320/128/and HydrogenAudio recommended settings. "320" and "128" being an aproximation on those codecs which don't do CBR. 06.35.02 # gursikh: i reference my earlier remark 06.35.22 # ah ok cool, I'm seriously considering it, I'll let you know :-) 06.38.12 Join redwyre [0] (i=3ba7d052@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ee41c90038d02efe) 06.39.19 Quit Alonea (Connection timed out) 06.40.12 # kkurbjun: you still planning on coming with the gf? 06.45.16 # I'm having trouble opening some zip files downloaded from the site (specifically ones for the iriver H300), do I need a specific program to open them? (7zip won't open it at all, and winrar says there are errors) 06.45.31 # Ian Lawler? 06.45.36 # redwyre: have you re-downloaded them? 06.46.03 # scorche, I think that's still the plan right now 06.46.12 # alright 06.46.44 # if you end up going against that, let me know and i will get you into the suite if you wish and if there is still room 06.47.07 # sounds good, I'll let you know if my plans change 06.48.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.51.38 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 06.58.22 Quit pearldiver (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.58.37 # scorche: one of them, yeah 06.58.40 # What's the general consensus on the iRiver H10 (20gb) as a rockbox target? 06.58.55 # redwyre: which zip is this? 06.59.57 # aliask: decent, but suffers from a few issues, notably the one that plagues all PP devices and some have issues with how the scrollpad is implmented 07.00.11 # Ah it's PP... 07.00.41 # My house was robbed a little while ago, and it looks like I'm recieving one as a replacement to a broken H100 which was stolen 07.01.05 # I'd rather have had the H100 though :( 07.01.13 # no kidding =/ 07.02.19 # Luckily we were insured though. 07.02.32 # H10 is an iPod mini with a colour screen and a radio Rockbox doesn't use? 07.03.20 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp50-27.adsl.forthnet.gr) 07.03.23 # The screen doesn't look very good, it's not small, but it has a very low resolution. 07.03.34 Join pearldiver [0] (n=say@cpe-72-225-231-80.nyc.res.rr.com) 07.04.27 # Nice FPS in mpegplayer though :) 07.05.11 # ugh, 5020, Mini 1st generation at that. 07.05.51 # (or has the 5020 crashing been resolved?) 07.06.03 # not as far as i am aware 07.06.14 # home robbery is a scary thing. 07.06.34 # At least I can laugh at him because he got a broken MP3 player. 07.06.38 # (or her?) 07.07.37 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@cpe-74-71-205-222.twcny.res.rr.com) 07.13.49 Part Joely 07.15.13 Quit XavierGr_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 07.37.12 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host196-217-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 07.43.52 Quit amigan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.43.57 Join Guile` [0] (n=Guile@84.7.92.77) 07.43.59 Join amigan [0] (i=dcp1990@unaffiliated/amigan) 07.44.24 Quit Guile` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.44.45 Join Guile` [0] (n=Guile@84.7.92.77) 07.55.43 Quit darkless (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.57.04 Quit SirFunk (Remote closed the connection) 08.00.44 Quit Guile`` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.11.00 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 08.14.35 Quit Bawitdaba (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.16.45 Join Bawitdaba [0] (n=Sphinx@cpe-24-25-130-25.nycap.res.rr.com) 08.20.42 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 08.21.53 Quit kkurbjun (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.22.34 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 08.28.00 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 08.28.28 Quit jhulst_ (Connection timed out) 08.28.54 Quit kennethd (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 08.28.56 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 08.31.36 Quit hcs (Client Quit) 08.33.15 Join DarthShrine [0] (n=Angus@pdpc/supporter/student/DarthShrine) 08.37.40 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b76161fc8b6d6d6b) 08.44.50 Join ptw419 [0] (i=ptw419@216-188-249-122.dyn.grandenetworks.net) 08.44.54 # gigabeat 08.44.58 # oops 08.47.04 Join voltagex [0] (n=voltagex@124-254-124-187-dsl.ispone.net.au) 08.47.48 Join enyc [0] (n=enyc@1337.whitehorse.co.uk) 08.48.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.48.44 # hi, if I don't have access to a windows machine, is it possible to repair/restore H10 "system files"? I formatted the drive - put rockbox and the contents of the system folder back in but it says it needs the restore tool 08.54.53 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B170B8.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.58.18 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjorn@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 09.11.55 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 09.12.57 Quit voltagex ("leaving") 09.13.07 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.14.53 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF4DC5.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.21.46 Join HellDragon2 [0] (i=JD@modemcable136.38-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) 09.23.38 Quit hannesd_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.24.18 # linuxstb: I now also have shutdown problems on my Gigabeat.. 09.25.42 # it looks like it doesn't shutdown, but be backlight is off and it doesn't react to buttons anymore 09.26.02 # when the HDD was being scanned it just continues doing that 09.27.25 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007040314]") 09.27.25 # I found out that something was wrong because POWER didn't turn my device on anymore after shutdown 09.27.45 # the battery switch did the trick and I forgot about it 09.28.01 # this morning I tried to turn it on again but the battery was flat 09.38.47 Quit HellDragon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.44.45 Quit redwyre ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 09.47.30 # oh god 09.47.37 # worst joke I've ever heard 09.47.41 # A boat carrying blue paint and a boat carrying red paint collided in the middle of the ocean. What happened to the crew? 09.48.16 # they drowned? 09.48.32 # They were marooned. 09.48.33 # ... 09.48.37 # groan 09.49.46 # * markun looks up marooning on wikipedia 09.50.20 # markun: look up the color maroon as well to get the full meaning 09.51.56 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 09.55.16 Part kaaloo 10.04.41 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust362.winn.cable.ntl.com) 10.08.59 # Yay, I've been saved by Rockbox. 10.09.19 # dont tell your church that 10.09.25 # Hehe. 10.09.31 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 10.10.44 # But yeah, my iPod screen was cracked, so can't really do much in the Apple Firmware. Rockbox talks to me which is useful though. 10.11.47 Join lids_ [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-a81f4f07a572a843) 10.14.31 Quit lids (Remote closed the connection) 10.22.16 # gah 10.22.36 # My iPod is getting really hot now... 10.22.37 # :S 10.23.41 # LinusN (or Zagor): Could you disable sim builds on my build box for now? Silly debian binutils problem... but I had to update them because of updated libs which no longer worked with the "old" binutils... 10.24.08 # An alternative would be to disable .map files for simulators... 10.24.19 # I don't think that's wanted 10.24.42 # Anyone else having problems where playback is stopped when skipping through a playlist quickly? 10.25.10 # i.e. during playback, pressing RIGHT repeatedly results in a stop, eventually. 10.25.36 # amiconn: i have disabled sdl builds on your host 10.26.36 # pressing LEFT repeatedly goes into a playback-locked loop. 10.28.15 Join br3nda|mobile [0] (n=brenda@121-73-1-165.cable.telstraclear.net) 10.33.40 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54965a87.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.37.29 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.37.41 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 10.45.43 # Soap: A couple of comments on your set of test audio files: 1) You forgot wavpack lossy; 2) I think the "high bitrate" samples should be the maximum bitrate the codec supports (or the highest quality the encoder supports if there is no format limit). That will enable us to answer the question "will all files in this codec play in realtime on this device?". 10.46.01 Quit gursikh (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 10.46.14 # Soap: 2) was for lossy codecs 10.48.18 Nick br3nda|mobile is now known as Br3nda (n=brenda@121-73-1-165.cable.telstraclear.net) 10.48.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.49.31 Join obo [0] (n=obo@host217-41-62-170.in-addr.btopenworld.com) 10.53.23 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MediaCoder <- ??? 10.53.35 # do we really need a separate page for that? 10.53.53 # haha 10.54.20 # pondlife: I got lockups while skipping songs on my M5 too. Is this with your H300? 10.54.33 # No, the sim. 10.54.46 # probably seth got annoyed by the '?' after MediaCoder in PluginMpegPlayer and created the page 10.55.33 # I'd rather see a link on the plugin page instead. the ? can be removed without a link 10.57.09 Join Entasis [0] (i=Jarred@ppp54-161.lns11.adl2.internode.on.net) 10.57.09 # right, it's camel case 10.57.17 # exactly 10.58.05 # pixelma: I think it's crossfade related, will experiment some more later 10.58.06 # simply put a ! before the word to prevent a link 10.58.38 # or surround a block of text with 10.58.39 # pondlife: for me it's mostly when skipping forward (doesn't have to be repeatedly) and not always of course - because I have problems with going "right" due to bouncing with the M5's joystick I thought it could have to do with this. 10.58.47 # I don't use crossfade... 10.59.16 # I can't repro the lockup going backwards, but I can repro it stopping when skipping to next track. 10.59.35 # Probably happens when the next track isn't buffered in time. 11.00.02 # Zagor: The twiki formatting table says you just need to put in front of the CamelCase word... 11.00.22 # linuxstb: Where can I find those files? 11.00.43 # amiconn: Read the logs about 4.5 hours ago. 11.01.32 # amiconn: "Prevent a WikiWord from being linked by prepending it with an exclamation point." -- http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/TWiki/TextFormattingRules 11.02.17 # i have been doing the exclamation mark way for quite a while now...easiest option, imo 11.02.20 # ah ok 11.02.37 # should still work though; it's the older method in twiki 11.02.44 # I remember something about nop too, but I looked it up and apparently it's changed 11.02.47 # yeah 11.04.55 # pondlife: I tried out if it happens while skipping during rebuffering (because a bugreport suggested it, you answered there too http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6764 ) but I couldn't reproduce it. 11.07.38 # Not sure that's the same problem I'm seeing... My "freeze" can be got out of by pressing STOP. 11.09.54 # then it might be something different. For me it hangs completely most of the times and have to hard power-off (one time it helped to just press another button, last weekend it hung almost completely only the backlight reacted on button presses...) 11.11.21 # I just couldn't find a recipe to reporduce it yet... 11.12.02 # *reproduce 11.14.33 Join scubacoles [0] (n=scoles@122.49.148.210) 11.16.52 # Bah... I can't figure out how to play music just using the voice menu. 11.18.18 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@host-144-219.ch.le.ac.uk) 11.20.40 # I want a JD 11.21.21 Part maffe 11.26.00 Quit BigBambi (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.26.00 Quit petur ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 11.30.20 # linuxstb, Soap: There are some more test cases missing, like layer 2 and layer 1 for libmad... 11.30.48 # (layer 1 could probably be ignored though) 11.31.27 # Yes, I forgot mp2... 11.36.42 # Is there a way to get Rockbox to actually turn the screen of my iPod off? 11.37.48 Quit scubacoles ("This computer has gone to sleep") 11.42.12 # isn't there a timeout for a forced power off if it's taking too long to shutdown? 11.42.15 # DarthShrine: I assume you mean whilst the ipod is still on? 11.44.37 # amiconn: do you know? 11.44.47 # linuxstb, Yeah. 11.45.01 # While I'm using it too, preferably. 11.46.12 # DarthShrine: you could at least turn the backlight off if this helps any 11.46.21 # pixelma, Yeah, I have. 11.46.29 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@host-144-219.ch.le.ac.uk) 11.46.42 # It's just that the screen is broken so it seems to get very hot now. 11.48.06 # DarthShrine: No, Rockbox doesn't do that (and I don't think anyone knows how to on the ipods) 11.48.55 # Hmm, okay. Well, at least the voice menus are there. 12.01.20 # markun: There is. 12.01.52 # But there might be a problem with poweroff in general on the gigabeat, in which case the forced poweroff won't help 12.05.08 # The forced poweroff only handles the case where not all threads respond to the shutdown event 12.18.17 # amiconn: I'm not really sure where to start to debug.. I have this problem with a clean build and settings reset. 12.27.08 Join moos [0] (i=moos@m135.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 12.31.29 # amiconn, linuxstb: The reason I was intrigued by 320 was it was as close to a level-playingfield test as I though cold be done between the lossy. 2) I did forget about Wavpack lossy/hybrid. 3)I'll make the max bitrate ones in a few. 4)what other formats did I miss? 12.32.52 # 5) Is MP3 (for example) in VBR mode with a combo of 256 and 320 frames for any reason more CPU intensive than in CBR mode with all 320 frames? 12.34.22 # no 12.34.39 # the occasional 256 frame just means less to do for that frame 12.34.55 # That's what I assumed, but I wasn't 100%. 12.35.29 # it's "folk wisdom" than VBR is more CPU intensive than CBR. 12.35.40 # Soap: Did you see amiconn's comment that you missed MP1 and MP2? 12.35.57 # We can probably ignore MP1 though. 12.37.00 # would still be interesting, it's a partially separate decode path internally in libmad 12.37.19 # Do you know of any mp1 encoders? 12.37.22 # and i remember i had to fix it at one time, since it was being slower than mp2 at the same bitrate 12.37.22 # can LAME even do mp1, or will I need another encoder (If I don't ignore it) as MP2 used to be a seperate branch (tooLame) 12.37.26 # linuxstb: amiconn does 12.37.44 # Soap: layer 2 still is a separate branch 12.37.47 # twolame/toolame 12.38.39 # (I read LAME's --longhelp for the first time in years last night, I was thinking I saw something about mp2 in it) 12.39.12 # I haven't tried it, but here's a layer-1 encoder - http://home.cogeco.ca/~avi2vcd/mpeg.htm#wav2mp 12.40.14 # Soap: "--mp2input input file is a MPEG Layer II file" ? 12.40.55 # might have been, I need to zoom to work for a short day - I'll tackle these in a (brief) few. 12.41.18 Join webguest08 [0] (i=1800ee51@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-dfc37c981cd17cdf) 12.41.22 # Can someone help me? 12.41.48 # Or this - an mp1/3 encoder written in Fortran - http://www.rjamorim.com/rrw/uzura.html ;) 12.42.11 # linuxstb, can you help me? 12.42.41 # webguest08: no one can help you unless you tell us what is wrong 12.42.47 # ok 12.42.55 # It is not a problem 12.42.56 # oh, I got to go the fortran route! ;) 12.43.08 # (forget the uzura link - it's mpeg-1, Layer 3, not mp1 and mp3 12.43.27 # but What does changing the batterys MAz(right?) help it or hurt it? 12.43.52 # technically, it doesnt do either 12.44.12 # Oh, i was thinking it made the battery last loner 12.44.14 # longer* 12.44.21 # heh...dont we wish 12.44.27 # webguest08: If you're talking about the setting in Rockbox then it makes no difference at all to runtime - it's described in the manual. 12.44.30 # Yup 12.44.55 # Im going to go read the manual 12.45.06 # i cannot believe scorche didn' t suggest it yet 12.45.13 # haha, see you later 12.46.13 Quit webguest08 (Client Quit) 12.46.49 Join kennethd [0] (n=kenneth@cpe-66-65-80-62.nyc.res.rr.com) 12.48.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.55.29 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 12.56.12 Quit spiorf ("Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)") 12.56.26 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host196-217-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 12.56.29 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 12.56.35 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 13.05.23 Join ColdSphinX^ [0] (n=sphinx@p213.54.14.153.tisdip.tiscali.de) 13.06.07 Quit Br3nda (Remote closed the connection) 13.09.48 # linuxstb: I have an mp1 and mp2 capable encoder, whose mp2 encoding quality is quite good. It's an amiga program. 13.10.43 # amiconn: is that the one we couldn't find the author for? 13.11.10 # ? 13.11.11 Quit scorche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.11.38 Join scorche [0] (i=scorche@208-110-158-190.customer.csolutions.net) 13.11.43 # I have vague memories that we found a good amiga candidate, but there was something preventing its' use. such as inability to get an OK from the author. 13.12.15 # That was a decoder iirc 13.12.20 # I'm talking about encoders 13.12.26 # It's this one: http://aminet.net/package/mus/misc/Pegase 13.12.31 # French author... 13.13.35 # I didn't check out the source, but it's half realtime on 68060/50, so it might be possible to get it realtime on coldfire, provided it doesn't use floating point 13.13.52 # And the quality is definitely better than that of the shine encoder 13.13.58 # is there any source in that package? 13.14.36 # There is a source package 13.14.49 # http://aminet.net/package/mus/misc/Pegase_src 13.15.00 # ah, nice 13.15.47 # Zagor: thinking of adding mp2 recording to rockbox? 13.16.22 # no, but I'm always happy to see the prospect of new codecs :) 13.18.16 # amiconn: Is that encoder portable, or is there lots of asm? 13.18.36 # [13:13:34] I didn't check out the source 13.19.21 # three asm files: FFT.asm, SubBandCoding.asm and Encoder.asm 13.19.34 # Yes, just seen that list - plus some nice .cpp files... 13.20.06 # looking at the c++-ishness right now. doesn't look too bad yet. 13.20.53 # Yes, c++ generally isn't that bad to convert to C. 13.21.16 # mainly because most people write 98% C with 2% C++ constructs :) 13.23.28 # Zagor: Spotted any sign of a license? 13.23.29 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 13.23.59 # no... 13.24.17 # " Distribution : - EMail-ware." in the binary package readme 13.24.34 # Yes, just seen that :) 13.25.04 Quit BigBambi ("Leaving") 13.25.25 # linuxstb: just wait until you find juicy design pattern based stuff with lots of template use 13.25.44 # Also in the source "Pegase.guide" - "Distribution: No restrictions apply" 13.26.08 Part maffe 13.26.28 Join bluebrother [0] (i=GjAZeEmD@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 13.26.32 # preglow: I wouldn't recognise that if I saw it... 13.26.32 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 13.26.39 # linuxstb: interpreted strictly, that could still prevent us from distributing modifed versions 13.27.27 # Zagor: Because "Distribution" only refers to the original unmodified source? 13.28.11 # yeah, possibly. but I'm just playing devils' advocate. 13.28.18 # Also, I wonder if it's based on the reference encoders from the MPEG group. 13.28.33 # if it ever becomes interesting we should try to contact the author anyway 13.28.53 # Ah yes, it is - "Pegase is a highly optimized MPEG audio encoder, based upon the ISO/MPEG source code." 13.29.00 # "Although it is based upon the original version of Musicin (ISO/MPEG), only the principle on which things work is identical. The whole source code has been rewritten, with the Amiga spirit in mind, in order to provide a fast encoder without sacrifying the quality." 13.29.24 # Ah, OK then. So I guess it's up to the author... 13.32.07 # quite a bit of malloc going on 13.32.57 # conclusion: appears doable, but certainly requires a lot of work. 13.34.36 # Would the asm need much work to convert to Coldfire? I've no idea how they differ... 13.35.48 # my 68k/cf asm knowledge is too limited to say 13.37.24 # It does seem to be full of floats though... 13.37.38 # then forget it 13.37.40 # not nearly worth it 13.38.06 # I'm guessing "fmul" is a floating-point asm instruction? 13.38.09 # ah, I forgot to look for that. agreed, that's way too much hassle to convert. 13.38.09 # yes 13.38.19 # (and fmove) 13.38.27 # it'll probably be easier to convert shine to do mp2 13.38.56 Join spiorf_ [0] (n=spiorf@host146-216-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 13.39.09 Quit spiorf (Connection timed out) 13.44.14 # preglow: On a different subject, does Coldfire have any instructions for 16-bit signed arithmetic? 13.44.46 # the emac can do it directly 13.44.58 # at least acc += s16*s16 13.45.11 # but running time, later 13.57.55 # hmm 13.58.02 # anyway 13.58.40 # Soap: In case you want mp1 and mp2 encodings, just tell me the parameters. I can probably do it tonight 14.05.07 Quit ColdSphinX^ ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 14.05.09 Quit pondlife ("disconnected has pondlife") 14.12.27 Join BigBambi [0] (n=alex@host-144-219.ch.le.ac.uk) 14.23.50 Part LinusN 14.26.38 # linuxstb: svn:keywords should only be set for textual source files 14.27.04 # Bitmaps etc should not have it; such files need an appropriate mime type instead 14.34.07 Join mbr [0] (n=mbr@p3ee06516.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.39.19 # amiconn: That's what I meant by "source". But please clarify it if you think it needs to be. 14.48.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.51.19 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.39.92) 14.55.08 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p54849A2C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.03.25 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 15.03.28 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp136-182.adsl.forthnet.gr) 15.03.50 # amiconn: is it possible to power the ondio from USB power? 15.04.13 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 15.06.00 # amiconn: (I mean not only USB mode but normal operation) 15.07.33 # Sure. 15.07.51 # The Ondio was the first target where USB power was implemented... 15.08.18 # Just hold Mode while plugging USB 15.09.18 # The Ondio can even run from USB power alone, i.e. with no batteries inserted. Note that this is not recommended, as it looks like this *might* trigger the high-power-drain problem 15.13.35 # well I am thinking to make my ondio a permanent audio solution on my car, I was thinking to buy a car ligher adapter (with 5 volt output) and attach it to my ondio either from the usb port or on the battery springs behind the player 15.14.40 # amiconn: what would you suggest? usb power or normal? (Using an adpater that is) 15.15.20 # does car adapter mode trigger on usb power? 15.15.40 Join goffa_ [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 15.15.40 Quit goffa (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.15.46 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@p549AE0DE.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.16.39 # I am not really sure, never used that feature before, but it would be good if I could make it support it 15.17.36 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 15.21.47 Join kkurbju1 [0] (n=kkurbjun@c-71-56-227-141.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 15.22.30 Quit XavierGr () 15.41.20 Quit DarthShrine (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.41.48 Quit himitsu_ (Read error: 111 (Connection refused)) 15.44.34 # Soap: I've just opened your test track in audacity and noticed the first 17 seconds or so are very quiet - maybe it would be better to extract the middle of the track, rather than the start? 15.48.28 Quit BigBambi (Remote closed the connection) 16.02.26 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF67C5.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.03.11 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp136-182.adsl.forthnet.gr) 16.05.50 # XavierGr: I'd probably use the battery contacts, but then you need 4.0...4.5V. And you need really good stabilisation & spike suppression in order to protect the fragile LT3440 16.10.12 # linuxstb: yes, the first seconds are quiet. Does that pose a decreased complexity issue for the decoder? 16.10.17 # amiconn: Maybe Shorten is a candidate for an Archos codec - I've just tested it, and it's 1039% realtime on Coldfire, compared to around 595% for FLAC.... 16.10.39 # Soap: It may do, at least I would expect VBR codecs to compress it more heavily. 16.11.06 Join scubacoles [0] (n=scoles@122.49.148.210) 16.11.19 # linuxstb: Does shorten use huffman coding? 16.11.24 # Soap: I just noticed that your samples seem to be decoding slightly faster than other tests I've done. 16.11.31 # amiconn: I've no idea what it does. 16.11.56 # flac uses huffman, and huffman coding is a pita on the sh1 16.12.05 # ...because sh1 has no shift-by-n instruction 16.12.31 # Maybe it would pay off to have a look at MAS3500 assembler... 16.13.36 # ahh, linuxstb, first 14 seconds = 188kbps avg. Total track = 205.4 kbps avg. 16.14.41 # amiconn: shift-by-n seems to be a very popular instruction in lossless codecs... 16.15.05 # Yes, unfortunately 16.15.36 # The lpc coding used in flac should be rather fast on sh using mac, provided we limit it to 16 bit samples 16.16.15 # so linuxstb do you just want me to encode a louder section of the song, or should I go all-out and find as complex a piece as possible from archive.org? 16.16.55 # Soap: I think as complex as you can find - your sample also seems lacking in high frequency content. 16.17.06 # can do. 16.17.58 # which pretty much means electronic I believe. 16.18.47 # I don't know if a hi-res (i.e. 24-bit, > 44.1KHz) recording would be better. But I think it's worth looking at a spectral analysis. 16.18.59 # (obviously converted to 16-bit/44.1) 16.19.02 # Perhaps the bitrate produced with lame --preset standard can be used as a hint for complexity? 16.19.14 # this was 24 bit, I knocked it down to 16... 16.19.30 # * amiconn has quite a number of tracks which exceed 240kbps with --preset standard 16.21.56 # should I keep all the target bitrates and add "Encodus Maximus", or drop one of the low bitrates? 16.22.38 # the only reason i made the 128"CBR" ones was for a low-rate Head-to-Head option. Not sure that really tells much... 16.26.40 Quit annulus_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.29.50 Quit scubacoles ("Leaving") 16.32.43 Nick kkurbju1 is now known as kkurbjun (n=kkurbjun@c-71-56-227-141.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 16.36.03 # Soap: It depends what questions you want to answer with the results. The easier question (we just need max bitrate versions) is "will all files decode at realtime". Other questions like "which is the fastest lossy codec" mean comparing files with similar quality, which is harder to select encoding paramaters for. 16.37.43 # Maybe choose the bitrate which is generally considered "transparent for most people" if that's possible as the comparitive test. 16.38.23 # But this is starting to sound like those long pre-test discussions they have on HA... 16.39.24 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.39.45 # ok, then I will just do: Max, 320, HA "transparent", 128. 16.39.55 # I know, I've wasted enough of your time. 16.40.47 # Max for obvious reasons. 320 because it is the highest they all can do. Transparent for the comparitive test, and 128 for the low-end (probably least important if it wasn't for iTunes defaulting there) 16.41.43 Quit Entasis ("Leaving") 16.41.56 # 128 is more than good for listening with earbuds. 16.43.42 # huh? 16.43.55 # Okay, maybe with aac and vorbis... 16.44.09 # And regular MP3. 16.44.36 Join bmidy23 [0] (i=acd06960@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-fe2f807075def90a) 16.44.37 # I ABXed up to V4 with apple's stock buds. 16.44.42 # hi all 16.45.14 # I've just downloaded the last build, And I've a problem with the database feature. 16.45.16 # Or perhaps it's just that my MP3 player has bad DAC quality. 16.45.46 # My HD is a 120GB and I've more than 35000 file, It seems to be a problem ? 16.46.18 # It certainly depends on the type of music. I can clearly hear artefacts in 128kbps mp3 in many cases 16.46.19 # bmidy23: could be, I think toffe82 also had a problem with too many files for the database 16.46.33 # with earbuds or speakers, doesn't matter 16.46.52 # I saw that there was 2 makedb.bat batch file (1 perl and 1 java script) to generate the DB when the player is connected as USB device 16.48.04 # But this script generate only one file nmed : rockbox.tagdb and when I try to generate the DB from the rockbox menu it generate 1 file and then after reboot it complete 8 steps to generate many file 16.48.49 # bmidy23: It sounds like that is the script for the old database. 16.48.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.48.56 # Is there an updated makedb.bat script t generate all the database file the way Rockbox do it when I use the "Database" menu 16.49.20 # linuxstb: Where could I find the new one script for the ew DB version ? tanks 16.49.46 # I think the version of songdb.pl has been updated - it's in the tools/ directory in the Rockbox source. 16.50.03 # ok thansk I'll give a try 16.58.37 Quit bmidy23 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.01.05 # http://rockbox.cleansoap.org/files/spec.png - pretty full spectrum. 17.01.17 Quit spiorf_ (Remote closed the connection) 17.06.45 # Soap: A lot better than the previous track. Have you tried amiconn's suggested "lame --preset standard" test to see what bitrate it comes out at? 17.07.00 # just did, only 211 17.07.08 # I'll keep on looking. 17.07.23 Quit knapp ("Leaving") 17.08.26 Join gursikh [0] (n=khalsa@unaffiliated/gursikh) 17.08.50 Join bmidy23 [0] (i=acd06960@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-767606df4a998393) 17.09.23 # I need to run to the courthouse before they close and do some research, I'll be on this later. I'll find the perfect track! 17.09.35 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 17.09.38 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp138-202.adsl.forthnet.gr) 17.09.51 # Soap: We've waited two years for a set of test tracks already... 17.12.46 # last question - I promise. 17.13.17 # Should I do 16/44.1 and 24/48? 17.17.05 # Hi 17.18.31 # I m back I just try the new songdb.pl script from th sv site, and it generate th following files: database_idx.tcd database_1.tcd ... database_5.tcd bu whenI reboot 17.18.49 # and I try to go in the database it say me :"Initialize DB now" ???? 17.18.51 # I need some help 17.22.51 # Soap: I think just stick with 16/44.1. Although the 24-bit files could be interesting for lossless. 17.24.23 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.78.124) 17.25.56 # Hi all? anyone could help me ? thanks :) 17.29.06 # bmidy23: that perl script has not been updated to be compatible with the latest version of tagcache 17.29.27 # bmidy23: what kind of issues are you experiencing with usign rockbox to build the db? 17.31.25 # Slashen: when I used the Rockbox to build the DB it make an error when I reboot, It start the 8 steps to end the DB building, after the first step "1/8" , It seems to be a problem size: my HD is 120GB big and I've more than 35000 mp3 files 17.33.19 # is it giving any error message? do you mean it shows 1/8 and skips the rest of steps and boots into rockbox? 17.33.47 # Yes it shows 1/8 and then continue to boot into rockbox without any error messages 17.36.10 # interesting.. if you are a developer, you could compile rockbox with logf to see the actual error message 17.36.11 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 17.36.37 # or try the pc version of tagcache utility (needs little of coding to change it to do something useful) 17.37.00 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 17.37.03 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 17.40.49 # Slaheri: I was developping for rockbox 3 years ago, and since that time I did not come back to rockbox project again, so It will ask me too many works now, and I've no time yet 17.41.20 # So if you could make a build with logf for me, ans send me it by email, I will appreciate. 17.41.21 # Thanks 17.42.38 # bmidy23: which one is your player? 17.43.33 # I've the archos recorder V2 17.43.58 # oh, you have an archos :) but compiled in a minute 17.46.13 # Yes I've this archos since 5 years now, If I remember , And I dream to get 1 Ippod Video with Rockbox into 1 day, but I don't know if the Ipod will be as cool as my Archos recorder : 120GB with recording feature, could it be possible ? 17.47.10 # i would recommend more about getting an iriver h140.. i like it way more than ipod video 17.47.16 # Slahseri: my email is bmidy23@gmail.com 17.47.20 # and it can have 80GB now days 17.47.42 # Is the IRiver able to record ? 17.48.26 # yes, internal mic, line in and optical S/PDIF in/out 17.49.31 # ok, lets hope it works. I have never tried logf on archos before but it should be accessible from debug menu (write logf dump on disk and then analyze it) 17.49.36 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 17.49.39 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp209-135.adsl.forthnet.gr) 17.49.40 # i will mail the zip for you now 17.50.09 # What about the iRiver H3x0 : seems to be cool with its color screen, but could it get a 120GB (or more) HD 17.50.14 # Slaheri: Thanks 17.50.49 # sent 17.51.35 # that might be ok as well, i have no experience of that 17.52.05 # however, i don't see actual benefit from the color screen 17.52.37 # it can't be viewed without a backlight and with the backlight it consumes battery 17.52.49 Quit bmidy23 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.53.07 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-074-030-096.pools.arcor-ip.net) 17.54.31 # i have modified my ipod build that it keeps backlight constantly on at a very low brightness so it's always readable 17.56.00 # hows that affect the battery life 17.56.05 # does it completely kill it? 17.56.11 Join bmidy23 [0] (i=acd06960@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-944dd0542ef84f95) 17.57.02 # i think the battery lasts almost as long as before (that isn't so long compared with very long runtimes using h140 and 1900 mAh battery) 17.58.13 # Slaheri: I m back, I will try this rockbox build, but I've a problem, I forget my charger at home, coud I use the USB cable to power my player while creating the DB, so my question is : How could I plug the UISB cable without making the player as "usb connected" ? 17.58.26 # hold menu when you put it in 17.58.31 # i think :o 17.58.44 # I remember that some years ago it was possible to plug and push the F1or something like this ?? 17.58.57 # sorry but i have no idea about archoses.. 17.59.08 # badsheepy: thanks it was that 18.00.38 # Now I wait to see how this build will go with my >35000 mp3 file when rebooting to enable the DB 18.01.04 # At this time : Progress= 6554 ..... need some minutes. 18.02.04 # that reminds me, there should be some kind of check in the database so it doesnt crash if you build it but have no songs 18.02.23 # cause that confused me a bit when i first installed :) 18.03.04 # badsheepy: hmm, it crashes when doing that? thanks about reporting that :D 18.03.23 # got a hanging sim from this... 18.03.52 # Slasheri: Now in the debug menu, I could see 2 logf options: logf/logfdump, when I m in logf at this time I could see a list of path 18.04.01 # I give you some new when it completed 18.04.42 # bmidy23: you should use logfdump right after the db has been completed to generate /.rockbox/logf.txt file 18.05.06 # Thanks all, Since the beginning I was at the rockbox project, at this time there was only the 6GB player , but the people here are always so kindly and helpfull, hat down for all. 18.05.23 # :) 18.05.32 # progress: 9102 18.07.26 # bmidy23: No HDDs >80GB available for irivers or any other mp3 player with 1.8" HDD atm 18.07.33 # 100GB HDDs are announced 18.08.23 # Slasheri: It doesn't crash when building with no songs (at least it didn't the last time I tried), but it doesn't become ready and tries building over and over 18.08.49 # I reported this a few weeks ago (tested on Ondio SP with no songs on internal and no card inserted) 18.10.22 # badsheepy: On archos recorders it's precisely F1 to hold for USB power mode, but that's what acts as Menu so Menu is understandable 18.10.46 Quit bmidy23 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 18.11.01 # * amiconn too slow 18.13.06 # Slasheri: Do we know how to set backlight brightness properly on PP? Afair someone said this should be possible (without doing software PWM) 18.23.06 Quit maffe (Remote closed the connection) 18.24.49 Join david1 [0] (n=david52@84.72.254.113) 18.25.08 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.25.36 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54965A87.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.27.15 Join annulus_ [0] (n=nuser@h29n1fls33o286.telia.com) 18.27.49 # amiconn: not yet. But software pwm works quite well too and frequency switching does not cause any issues 18.28.26 Join bmidy23 [0] (i=acd03be1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3121944c8e406c4d) 18.28.30 # A question for all: Which model currently support Rockbox software and also support 2.5" HD : Archos Jukebox recorder and ?? 18.29.09 # only the archos ones have 2.5 HD´s.. 18.29.47 # and these units are old.. 18.29.53 Quit Guile` ("KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'") 18.31.19 # So it s no time to change for me , I've one Archos Jukebox Recorder v2 with a 120GB HD, 18.31.33 # Domonoky which one do you have? 18.31.46 Quit obo ("KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/") 18.32.13 # i have an old archos studio and a newer iriver h120 :-) 18.33.37 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 18.33.50 # how much does cost a Iriver h120 ? 18.34.26 # they are pretty hard to find.. and i dont know a price. 18.39.06 # Slasheri: Not on PP, no. But it's still nasty... 18.41.12 Join khalsa_ [0] (n=khalsa@adsl-209-30-245-120.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 18.41.22 Quit khalsa_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.41.58 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 18.42.56 # bmidy23: If you're looking for maximum capacity - an iriver h120 can't be upgraded to 80GB, only to 40GB 18.43.21 # For 80GB you need to start with an h140 18.43.31 Join khalsa [0] (n=khalsa@unaffiliated/gursikh) 18.45.02 Join Shadetree [0] (n=Hotfusio@ip70-185-188-75.mc.at.cox.net) 18.45.48 # hey guys. Questoin for you: If I wanted a new mp3 player (not an ipod) 30gig which is good. I was thinking zune. I have a Iaudio but it's kinda dying 18.46.19 # Shadetree: do you want rockbox on it ? 18.46.46 # yeah probably. I know rockbox doesn't support zune though :( 18.47.03 # and it will be dificult 18.47.50 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.48.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.49.05 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host146-216-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 18.50.34 # Shadetree: have a look at th gigabeat X or F .. 18.51.41 # yeah. Battery life would be a big change since the iauudio had real good life. Was considering a better battery for it. 18.55.10 Part david1 18.56.07 Quit gursikh (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.57.59 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@avc146.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 19.00.26 Join Siltaar [0] (n=Siltaar@reverse-52.fdn.fr) 19.05.55 Nick khalsa is now known as Gursikh (n=khalsa@unaffiliated/gursikh) 19.10.14 Quit bmidy23 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 19.17.44 Quit Shaid ("I will see you, in the end. And I will laugh at your pain...") 19.18.06 Join david1 [0] (n=david52@84.72.254.113) 19.18.37 Join Rincewind [0] (n=xchatter@i3ED6FC01.versanet.de) 19.19.20 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 19.19.23 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp177-42.adsl.forthnet.gr) 19.20.40 # bluebrother: re. your forum post... iCatcher uses nedore-9 in the 160x128x2 version which isn't that big on the M5's display... 19.21.32 # ok -- I had iCatcher with a rather large font in my memory. Seems it served me wrong on this ;-) 19.21.46 # but I usually like smaller fonts 19.22.00 # well nedore-9 might be big enough on the H1x0's display 19.22.29 # same resolution but different dimension 19.24.53 # hmm, is the m5 screen that much smaller? 19.25.19 # I thought they are similar 19.25.50 # Same resolution, physically smaller 19.25.58 # it's quite a bit smaller, maybe we could provide a comparison pic during devcon 19.26.17 # ...unlike th X5's screen, which is roughly the same size as the H1x0 screen (but different depth) 19.27.26 # aaah, that's the reason. I always thought the m5 is the same as the x5 but without color 19.27.39 # ok, noted to my head for the next time ;-) 19.32.21 Join masked_ [0] (i=masked@shell.iinet.net.au) 19.33.11 # bluebrother: There are some more differences between X5 and M5 than just the display 19.33.49 # in terms of the internals or in terms of end-user visible differences? 19.34.12 # End-user visible 19.34.41 # if you look through this default contest thread, you can find a pic of the M5's display showing the default wps at the beginning (in comparison to the Ondio - don't know if it tells you much) 19.34.44 # M5 has no radio, no USBOTG (and no serial number chip, though that's less user-visible) 19.34.55 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.143.53) 19.35.43 # It has a normal USB mini-B socket where the X5 has its USBOTG socket, so you can use USB without the sub-pack 19.36.26 # ok. 19.36.32 Quit masked (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.36.47 # ...and charge without the sub-pack as well; the M5 charger connects to the side USB port (does not use the standard USB +5V pin for this!) 19.36.50 # * pixelma has no sub pack :) 19.36.54 Join bmidy23 [0] (i=acd03be1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-aed863feec18d46d) 19.36.55 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 19.38.01 Join olle_ [0] (n=olle@h16n1fls34o836.telia.com) 19.40.18 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@163.32.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 19.41.26 # Hello 19.41.28 # can RB play .SID-files? 19.42.12 # yes. 19.42.22 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 19.42.25 # (on swcodec players, that is) 19.43.17 # bluebrother: The iPod is one, isn't it? 19.44.00 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 19.44.53 Quit darkless (Success) 19.44.59 # Hi all, I m looking for an arabic font but a small one, I could already use the unicode.fnt but this is very big , I could only display 3 lines instead of the 6 lines whith the rockbox.fnt 19.45.07 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 19.45.19 # Could someone help me ? 19.46.03 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 19.49.01 # this page http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=UnicodeFonts says that helv12 would be the only other included font that supports arabic but it isn't much smaller 19.49.36 Join ryanpg [0] (n=ryanpg@c-24-13-248-42.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 19.50.25 # having a weird issue with my M5, the "joystick" is very very touchy when moving to the right 19.51.13 # I'm experiencing that too :\ 19.51.28 # pixelma, really? I thought it might be my hardware 19.51.38 Join Rincewind_ [0] (n=xchatter@i3ED6E7A3.versanet.de) 19.52.48 # it seems to be a almost common problem with the X5's/M5's joysticks - you can find a few posts in the forum about it as well 19.52.53 # pixelma, it's not doing it with the iaudio firmware in your case? 19.53.08 # never tried the of... ;) 19.53.10 # pixelma, I'm searching the mail list for info now 19.53.53 # or only for a few minutes... 19.55.07 # I'm not finding much on the mail list and nothing on the forums... 19.55.17 # The-Compiler, yes. Only archos is hwcodec. 19.56.58 # by the way do you guys know of a adapter replacement for the X5 19.57.02 # since i can't friggin find mine 19.57.03 # lol 19.57.26 # wow, when I go to debug and check out the I/O stuff and press the joystick to the right... there's a blast of different values 19.57.28 # :( 19.57.43 # Shadetree, I built a basic one from a generic adapter 19.58.19 Join olle__ [0] (n=olle@h16n1fls34o836.telia.com) 19.58.20 # it's a pretty standard plug, I found an unsoldered one at my local computer super-store 19.58.30 Quit bmidy23 ("CGI:IRC") 19.58.53 # ryanpg: you'll find more if you search for x5 - joystick or button problems. I get quite a few hits in the forum and I remember the issue being discussed on some ml too 19.59.13 # ahh... yeah X5 would produce more than M5 I'm sure 19.59.42 # what kindof generic adapter ryan 19.59.54 Quit olle_ ("Leaving") 20.00.07 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m180.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 20.00.19 # I need the piece that plugs into the bottom 20.00.26 # (stupid design) 20.00.41 # Shadetree, yeah that's what I'm talking about... I soldered my own 20.00.58 # Shadetree, unfortunately I lost it, and I don't remember where I got the "pin out" schematics :( 20.01.13 # Shadetree, but be encouraged, if you want to do it, it _can_ be done :) 20.01.32 # well I do't mind paying $10 for that adapter lol 20.01.36 # im just trying to find it 20.01.43 # lol, don't blame you, I like DIY projects 20.02.21 # is that a one size only fit, I wonder if other player adapters like ipod, palm etc would fit 20.02.42 # pixelma, what a bummer... looks like it is a hardware/design problem... crap... well maybe someone will write a good filter 20.02.43 # hmm 20.02.51 # subpack for $8.99 on amazon:) 20.03.07 # Shadetree, it's a standard plug, IIRC I found one for a iPaq that fit :) 20.03.18 # ryanpg: are you suggesting that you didn't have problems with the iaudio firmware? 20.03.39 # I didn't pixel 20.03.51 # pixelma, I haven't tried with the originial FW yet, I was asking if you had 20.04.10 # I didn't mind the original firmware on the iaudio at all 20.04.14 # other than the great battery life 20.04.27 # im still waiting for RB to catch up to that :) 20.05.03 # pixelma, when I press to the right the values very quickly shift from "52" to "53" with intermittent bursts of seemingly random values 20.05.43 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 20.05.51 # Shadetree: ? as far as I can tell rockbox is on par with the iaudio firmware regarding battery life 20.06.03 # ORLY? 20.06.09 # 30-35 hrs claim? 20.06.17 # I have the X5L 20.06.19 # heh 20.06.55 # well...guess im ordering that subpack on amazon. Not much at all though $8.99 20.07.29 # well my M5L almost reached 52hrs in a runtime test (without backlight though but isn't needed because of the greyscale display) :P 20.07.59 Join juxtap [0] (n=juxtap@vc-196-207-45-253.3g.vodacom.co.za) 20.08.06 # wow 20.09.15 # yeah bur urs isn't color is it? 20.09.44 # as I said... :) 20.09.58 # I'll proabably have to update the the latest build 20.10.05 # since mine is probably dated last year 20.10.12 # late last year some time 20.11.08 # main problem I had with cowons firmwre for the X5 was that occasionally a white screen would come up 20.11.21 # and Id have to turn it off then turn it back on. 20.11.24 # never get that with rockbox 20.11.39 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s026b.studby.ntnu.no) 20.13.35 # amiconn: I just bought a cheap car adapter (10 euros) with variable volt output from 1.5-12V though it doesn't have 5v segment, only 4.5 and 6 so I guess I will try to settle with the battery contacts 20.13.37 Quit thegeek (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.14.02 # also I just realised that if I am going to use it on my car permanently then I have to make the backlight mod 20.14.05 Quit Rincewind (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.14.44 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s026b.studby.ntnu.no) 20.14.59 # XavierGr: Was it you who got the old FM or Genre9pm3? 20.15.16 # it would be cool if one could adjust the sensitivity to keypresses 20.15.19 # if you upgrade now from this quite old build be prepared for some changes in appearance. Don't know since when the battery life is as good as it is now. The fix for the battery percentage showing correctly isn't that old, the runtime estimate is still off 20.15.40 # ^at Shadetree 20.15.41 Join Domonoky_ [0] (n=Domonoky@p549AF821.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.16.11 # amiconn: I think it is me, the casing doesn't say FM on the outside 20.16.39 # Then you might have serious problems finding the required components for the backlight mod 20.17.07 # damn 20.17.12 # The old FM needs a Sipex chip (SP4403), and Sipex left the EL market in 2003 20.17.51 # then I might just try to a tiny led just to see what's happening 20.18.01 # though I am not sure how much this would be achievable 20.18.46 Join Rincewind^moep [0] (n=xchatter@i59F44377.versanet.de) 20.18.48 # Well, if you are going to put the Ondio hardware into a custom case, you could fit a different EL circuit 20.19.16 # XavierGr: I read in the forums (archived threads) that someone just placed a EL backlight there which he could turn on/off with a switch - maybe a possibility (?) 20.20.00 # so it's not rockbox dependent 20.20.10 # yeah 20.20.15 # that was what I was thinking 20.20.22 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 20.20.41 # I will just try to grab a foil and then just power it without software control 20.21.14 # The mp3 foil in pixelma's Ondio was actually from a backlight kit for a diy mp3 player 20.21.38 # This kit contains the foil and an EL circuit with control input 20.21.47 # I hope that my local shop will be able to provide me with a backlight foil, though maybe my chances are crude 20.22.06 # hello ppl 20.22.15 # The control input can be connected to the proper port pin on the Ondio mainboard, and hence be controlled by rockbox like the true onboard circuit would 20.22.15 # might i write in the wiki? 20.22.54 # Just that this circuit wouldn't fit into the original Ondio case, even though it's quite small 20.23.06 Quit thegeek_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.23.09 Part david1 20.24.09 # it would be nice if some OP could give me write access to the wiki 20.24.19 # my username is OlleBergkvist 20.24.28 # just a moment 20.24.34 # thanks 20.24.43 # XavierGr: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/OndioBacklight 20.24.59 # The inverter from the kit is shown in the picture which also shows the foils 20.25.00 # amiconn: I was just looking at it 20.25.47 # olle__: you're not gonna spam, are you? ;) 20.25.57 # If you're lucky, it might still be possible to order this kit 20.26.14 # it would be very hard to gather all those parts, maybe I will head for the kit 20.26.21 # no of course not 20.26.30 # They don't ship outside Sweden, but there are enough Swedes who could order it and then forward it to you... 20.26.30 # else I am going to search for an EL foil 20.26.47 # my last option will be to put in a normal LED or something like that 20.26.49 # i will try to contribute to the E10 port and the .hex firmware decryption 20.26.54 # olle__: you should have access now 20.27.03 # anyway thanks for the tips have to run now 20.27.12 # thanks 20.27.32 # A LED won't work nicely without a proper diffusor plate 20.30.15 Join joa [0] (n=joe@cpc4-ipsw1-0-0-cust960.colc.cable.ntl.com) 20.30.16 # Meh, that always makes me want a kit for my own Ondio as well :/ 20.33.27 Quit Domonoky (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.36.28 Quit ryanpg ("Leaving") 20.44.34 Quit thegeek (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.44.40 Quit Rincewind_ (Connection timed out) 20.45.32 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s026b.studby.ntnu.no) 20.48.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.51.53 Join pimpdaddypayne [0] (n=Akiyuki@cpe-065-184-162-064.ec.res.rr.com) 20.52.08 # Can rockbox play podcasts? 20.52.22 Part pixelma 20.53.19 Quit kaaloo (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.53.57 # a podcast is a siimple mp3 file usually, so yes. 20.54.05 # unless you think of some specific format 20.54.24 # video podcasts 20.54.38 # you can play mpeg2 videos. 20.54.56 # It's a .mov 20.55.04 # that's all. But you can always boot back to the apple firmware to play the videos 20.55.19 # mov is not mpeg2 20.55.21 # I have a nano that doesn't play videos. I use rockbox to play videos. 20.55.48 # If you want to play videos you need to have them in mpeg2 format. 20.55.58 # if your material is something else you need to transcode. 20.56.29 # bluebrother: Technically, .mov can be mpeg2. .mov is just a container format like .avi 20.56.56 # Oh, it's a quicktime movie I guess 20.56.59 # askaninja.com stuff 20.57.16 # But it can also be something completely different - there is a ton of different codecs which can be used in .mov's 20.57.54 # pimpdaddypayne: .mov *is* quicktime format, but that still doesn't tell anything about the codecs used 20.58.19 # oh 20.58.23 # I know mov is a container -- but mpegplayer won't play it ;-) 20.58.26 # I don't know what codecs it is either. 20.58.35 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 20.59.52 # /c/c 21.03.17 # pimpdaddypayne: You can check that in quicktime. But as bluebrother said, rockbx won't play .mov anyway, so you would have to convert the video 21.04.26 # anyone know the pixel height and width of the nano? it's like 176x... 21.04.34 # 132 21.04.46 Join Redbreva [0] (n=chatzill@host86-142-54-100.range86-142.btcentralplus.com) 21.05.40 # ty 21.05.51 # damn, this program won't let me use that.. says the width/height should be devided by 16 21.06.09 # Then use 176x128 21.06.28 # You 'waste' two pixels at the top & bottom each 21.08.59 # ah ok 21.09.07 # this program sucks anyhow, winmpg videoconvert 21.20.46 Part maffe 21.23.00 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 21.24.36 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host146-216-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 21.24.51 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 21.25.53 Join a1titude [0] (n=Compaq_A@206-163-245-140.swcr.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) 21.29.59 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 21.29.59 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 21.32.16 Part a1titude 21.45.10 Join Chronon [0] (i=Chronon@d23-104.uoregon.edu) 21.49.26 Part kaaloo 22.00.52 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 22.02.58 # Hats off to the work on IfpCryptanalysis, I love reading that stuff. 22.03.14 # yeah 22.03.31 # ive been digging in those source does 22.03.59 # I was going to call you out by name, but wasn't sure of your IRC nick, now it seems so obvious. ;) 22.04.32 # hehe yeah 22.04.53 # i havent chosen an irc nick yet, and rockbox wiki didnt give me much of a chice ^ 22.05.01 # ^^ 22.05.37 # " those source does" wtf?? those source codes 22.09.51 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 22.10.32 Quit TrueJournals (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.11.27 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 22.17.47 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m180.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 22.17.48 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 22.18.23 Quit lids_ (Remote closed the connection) 22.18.30 Quit Whopper ("Lost terminal") 22.20.36 Join billmkay67 [0] (i=1800ee51@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-02f1e58226d45b67) 22.21.01 # How do i play doom on my iPod? When i click on it in plugins it comes up with an error 22.21.33 # it says "missing base WAD" 22.21.40 # can anyone help me? 22.22.09 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxExtras 22.22.34 Quit olle__ (Remote closed the connection) 22.22.42 # is it going to take up 6.6mb on my ipod? 22.22.56 # You might want to read the manual ( http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1270008.1.5 for doom) 22.22.59 # most likely 22.23.17 # Does anyone know if there is a podcast folder in the apple ipod? 22.23.30 # for some reason, when ever i sync my podcasts, they never show up on the ipod 22.26.39 Quit pimpdaddypayne () 22.27.48 # how do i get .rockbox off my ipod? 22.28.07 Join lids [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-39e41fd0ad1439fa) 22.28.15 # Do you want to get rid of rockbox or the .rockbox folder? 22.28.33 # well i want my ipod back to normal 22.28.38 Join Olaf1977 [0] (i=9163af1a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-821bf3eac43be501) 22.28.40 # like without rockbox 22.28.47 # just plain old boring ipod 22.28.59 # Which iPod do you have? 22.29.09 # nano 22.29.18 # billmkeay67, follow the directions on the Rockbox website for removing the bootloader then just delete the .rockbox folder 22.29.38 # http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodnano/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-190002.6 - instructions at the very bottom of the page 22.29.45 # The manual is very useful 22.30.18 # uh oh 22.30.22 # doom froze on my ipod 22.31.07 # not good!! 22.31.07 # hello does anybody know if the rockbox firmware is ported/would work on a 'Zolid Slimline' MP3 player (it's an Aldi ipod nano cloon) 22.32.00 Part maffe 22.32.04 # someone help please!! 22.32.36 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 22.32.50 # This advice was for you billmkay67: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodnano/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-190002.6 - instructions at the very bottom of the page 22.32.52 Quit The-Compiler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.33.22 # umm that wont help unless my ipod unfreezes 22.33.36 # Restart your ipod using the normal keypress. 22.33.48 # doesnt work 22.34.20 # How long did you hold the keys for? 22.34.27 # 15 seconds 22.34.33 # I'll try longer 22.35.15 # its not working... 22.35.28 # Olaf1977: Is it on the list of supported players on the rockbox front page? 22.35.48 # god im going to die if i dont get this fixed 22.36.11 Quit Olaf1977 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 22.36.23 # billmkay67: Are you sure you're pressing the right buttons? (I know it sounds stupid, but... it's worth making sure) 22.36.53 # ok 22.37.04 # well im pretty sure that its the middle button and pause 22.37.08 # right? 22.37.19 # i also just tried hitting pause button 22.37.23 Join webguest92 [0] (i=4a60413d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-cf053d48ca3f5318) 22.37.27 # i also tried menu and center button once 22.37.37 # wow 22.37.39 # I believe it's menu and center 22.37.39 # nvm i got it 22.37.43 # yeah it is 22.37.48 # it is 22.38.03 # well i just got the first gen 22.38.12 # its different for second gen nano i think 22.38.30 Join Olaf1977 [0] (i=9163af1a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a929bdd029295c50) 22.38.40 # im taking rockbox off lol 22.38.46 # TrueJournals: no it isn't on the list 22.39.00 # i got a random problem 22.39.02 # Then no, rockbox would not work with it 22.40.00 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust660.brig.cable.ntl.com) 22.40.10 # when i shutdown my rockbox and it turned itself off, it doesnt seem to turn back on 22.40.28 # webguest92: What player do you have? 22.40.35 # i suggest losing weight 22.40.37 # ibelieve the battery is completly dead 22.40.52 # but ive connected it to my computer for an 1/2 hour 22.40.56 # TrueJournals: that's a shame. 22.41.11 # and it still hasnt been found by the computer 22.41.28 # i have a ipod video, bythe way... 22.41.29 # Olaf1977: Search the forum, maybe someone else wants a port, if there's no one else that wants a port, make a post. 22.41.36 # so anyanswers? 22.42.04 # webguest92: I'm a bit confused by what you mean by "I shutdown my rockbox and it turned itsself off"... Do you mean that when you shut it down, it turned off successfully? 22.42.19 Quit billmkay67 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.42.21 # it said it was shuting down 22.42.29 # and it turned off 22.42.32 # OK 22.42.37 # thus meaning yes 22.42.43 # Are you sure hold isn't on? 22.42.48 # yep 22.42.59 # TrueJournals: thanks, i'll do that 22.43.10 # Olaf1977: Glad to help 22.43.11 Join webguest39 [0] (i=cf3fdb02@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-cc97990e65f130a1) 22.43.18 # TrueJournals: cheers 22.43.22 # my nano dies from time to time, i cant see why cause the screen is broken, but multiple flicks of the hold switch followed by rebooting gets it back to life eventually 22.43.25 # how can i install rockbox in my ipod 22.43.44 Quit Chronon () 22.43.49 Nick HellDragon2 is now known as HellDragon (i=JD@modemcable136.38-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) 22.43.49 # webguest92: Hmmm... unfortunately I don't have an iPod personally, so I can't really help. You might be right, the battery could be dead 22.43.54 # webguest39: Read the manual 22.43.58 # hold select and menue untill you see the apple logo 22.44.37 # how long must i wait for it the charge it so that it can be found by the computer 22.44.57 Quit webguest39 (Client Quit) 22.45.09 Quit Olaf1977 ("CGI:IRC") 22.45.22 # webguest92: It's hard to say... I'd say at least an hour. Althought robin0800's advice might be worth a shot... 22.45.23 Join sfajsfhli [0] (i=cf3fdb02@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-951cc690d299fd4f) 22.45.41 # how can i install rockbox in my ipod 22.45.51 # sfajsfhli: Read the manual 22.46.16 # what is the link to the manual 22.46.53 # try rockbox .org 22.46.56 # sfajsfhli: Look at rockbox.org, click manual, look under the picture of whatever player you have, and click one of the links (If you click online, you can just read the manual online without downloading anything) 22.48.38 # it seems to be very hard to find the manual, but much easier to find the irc web client 22.48.44 # * bluebrother shakes head 22.48.58 # True, very true 22.49.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.49.03 # hehe... I was wondering just the same 22.49.19 # k, i'll giove it a shot 22.49.20 Quit annulus_ (Remote closed the connection) 22.49.24 # give* 22.49.43 # maybe making some links bold could help ... manual, current build and documentation index maybe? 22.50.06 # is there anything special about the filename passed to tagcache_fill_tags, cause i cant get it to return anything but false 22.50.13 # k, thanks guys, it works 22.50.36 # Glad to hear it 22.50.47 Quit lids (Remote closed the connection) 22.51.39 Quit sfajsfhli ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.54.17 Join annulus_ [0] (n=user@h29n1fls33o286.telia.com) 22.57.51 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.57.56 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF67C5.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.58.52 Join lids [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-1a1c78504f750fc8) 22.59.41 # pixelma: bluebrother just change the link on the page so irc link to the manual and manual to irc :) 22.59.55 Nick eck_ is now known as eck (n=_@unaffiliated/eck) 23.01.05 # webguest92, what worked? 23.01.51 # toffe82: genious :) 23.02.15 Join OS2_Warp_user [0] (n=chatzill@Antigo-HiPer1-52.dwave.net) 23.02.49 # hmm. We could replace the link to the forums with one to the manual as well :D 23.04.24 # :) 23.04.52 # hi 23.05.02 # hi 23.06.18 # i have an ipod video and the database quit working, and i have a bunch of random files (in the .rockbox folder), 9 of them are 2 GB in size and they wont delete and i dont know what to do 23.06.27 # please help me 23.06.43 # run chkdsk /f on the drive 23.16.23 # so how many years is this going to take over usb 1.1? :) 23.16.53 # 7 23.16.57 # ;-) 23.20.31 Quit webguest92 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23.24.00 Join jhulst_ [0] (n=jhulst@c-71-205-145-105.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 23.29.01 # does dircache not work in the uisimulator? 23.29.12 # i cant seem to make it turn on 23.33.46 Quit robin0800 (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference") 23.34.19 Quit joa (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.35.14 Join OS2_Warp_user_ [0] (n=chatzill@Antigo-HiPer2-92.dwave.net) 23.40.48 # i uninstalled the bootloader and it got rid of all those files 23.40.54 # coincidence? 23.41.10 # I don't thnk so 23.41.36 # sounds much more like problems with the filesystem to me. 23.41.47 # which chkdsk should have found ... 23.42.55 Quit OS2_Warp_user (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.43.13 Nick OS2_Warp_user_ is now known as OS2_Warp_user (n=chatzill@Antigo-HiPer2-92.dwave.net) 23.43.29 Join Rincewind_ [0] (n=xchatter@i3ED6EF13.versanet.de) 23.51.48 Join Hilikus [0] (n=rockero@bas4-montreal19-1242419325.dsl.bell.ca) 23.53.12 Join lids_ [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-1622658086e3cbea) 23.53.20 Join rotator [0] (n=e@rockbox/developer/rotator) 23.54.01 Quit Siltaar ("Aurevoir - www.fdn.fr/~sdescarp") 23.54.06 Quit Rincewind^moep (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 23.57.03 Join joa [0] (n=joe@cpc4-ipsw1-0-0-cust960.colc.cable.ntl.com) 23.57.14 # hey guys 23.57.56 # hi 23.57.57 Quit joa (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.58.18 # is there a way to have rockbox fade in when turning the player on? i have the pause/play or whatever fade in ON but it still doesnt fade in when i turn the player on. it doesnt when i pause and resume though 23.58.56 # i meant, it DOES* when i pause ...