--- Log for 22.05.107 Server: pratchett.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 2 days and 18 hours ago 00.00.00 # i think i bricked my gigabeat 00.00.04 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.10.52) 00.00.27 # SYSTEM ERROR 00000010, no matter what 00.01.25 Quit RockingD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.01.25 Quit scorche (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00.01.54 Quit hcs ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") 00.03.02 # pearldiver: ouch 00.03.05 # what did you do? 00.03.42 # pearldiver: Can you access the disk via USB? 00.03.45 # well i tried the rotation build 00.04.09 # what i'm getting when i plug the usb and turn it on is: 00.04.19 # one bar in the original gigabeat progress bar 00.04.25 # system error message 00.04.27 Quit Caliban (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.04.31 # original gigabeat usb logo 00.04.42 # and my computer makes a sound that an usb device is connected but i dont see it in the explorer / as a drive no matter what 00.04.52 # however, if i go to Safely Remove Hardware properties, the system sees it as Toshiba Mobile Audioplayer with the Toshiba Hard Drive as a component but no letter is being assigned to it 00.05.09 # linuxstb so as you see i cannot 00.05.38 # linuxstb: Just the person I was looking for! 00.05.54 # * linuxstb is busy reading 3 days worth of IRC logs... 00.05.56 # pearldiver: you have tried to open it and connect it to USB just like the wiki says? 00.06.05 # XavierGr yep, same thing 00.06.11 # pearldiver: maybe there is no more partition? 00.06.25 # markun thats what i thought 00.06.31 # linuxstb: You commented on FS # 6705 that you got even better results removing the synth_full function from IRAM... can you help me do this? 00.06.31 # but? 00.06.32 # but how come it disappeared 00.06.49 # can anyone tell me how to get the midi player built? i'm not that fammiliar with the build system. (adding something to SOURCES and SUBDIRS?) 00.06.56 # yeah Safely Remove Hardware properties shows that there's no partition 00.07.08 # markun would this be the end? 00.07.15 # just make a new FAT32 parition 00.07.37 # or you can just give up of course ;) 00.07.43 # hehe 00.07.54 # but how if i can't access it 00.08.25 # pearldiver: how do you create a partition for a HDD which 'shows now drive letter'? 00.08.51 # is there no disk manager tool for windows or something? 00.08.56 # it might be a good idea to add compiling instructions for the midi plugin on the PluginMidiPlay wiki page as well.. 00.08.58 # with the partition soft obviosuly 00.09.09 # obviously 00.09.15 # pearldiver: but that doesn't work with removable drives? 00.09.26 # TrueJournals: Just change ".icode" to ".text" in the new .S files 00.09.31 # markun somehow i thought it doesn't :P 00.09.37 Quit atsea- (Remote closed the connection) 00.09.37 # but let me try of course 00.09.38 # linuxstb: Cool, thanks 00.10.29 # pearldiver: and if windows can't do it there are other OS' which can do it for you 00.10.39 # markun: there is something in windows. 00.11.04 # markun: Contol pannel... (have to translate...) 00.11.11 # pearldiver: you can format it if windows see the disk but there is no letter to open it 00.11.25 # go to computer management 00.11.31 # right 00.11.36 # that was it :) 00.11.41 # ahh 00.11.53 # administrative tools first 00.12.29 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 00.13.27 # then from computer management you click on the disk management 00.13.37 # if you can find the disk there you can format it 00.13.47 # let me try it XavierGr 00.13.59 # after the format you will see the letter in explorer and then be able to put there the OF or rockbox 00.14.03 Join Sivart0 [0] (n=travis@wsip-70-182-238-50.ks.ks.cox.net) 00.14.03 Join atsea- [0] (i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-ac2db721b2077a46) 00.14.33 # ill lose all the date either way, correct? 00.14.37 # data 00.16.01 # anyone: how much memory is assigned to a plugin buffer? 00.16.26 Quit markun (Remote closed the connection) 00.17.13 # pearldiver" yes you will loose all data 00.17.59 # what if i use some partition software ? 00.18.07 # mpeccorini: On the Archos devices, 32KB, on the other devices (apart from iFP7xx), 512KB. I'm not sure about the iFP7xx (it only has 1MB RAM in total...) 00.18.43 # mpeccorini: But Chessbox is a special case on the Archos devices - it takes over the whole available RAM (about 1.5MB). 00.18.53 # so i guess i have to add midi to SUBDIRS at lie 37 or so? 00.18.57 # linuxstb: thanks, I'm implementing chessbox as a viewer as you suggested 00.19.07 # so far it opens a PGN file and lists all the games 00.19.16 # then you select a game and it shows the list of moves 00.19.17 Join zivan56 [0] (n=not@64.46.2.61.novuscom.net) 00.19.26 # but I'm malloc'ing a lot of memory for that 00.19.34 Part element_g ("Kopete 0.12.4 : http://kopete.kde.org") 00.19.35 # pearldiver: you may be able to quick format it and then with exact software try to save some of the data 00.19.54 # the process though won't be failsafe and you might end up with lots of lost data 00.20.05 # lol @ peturs vid :) 00.20.07 # 512 kb sounds like quite a lot though 00.20.10 # XavierGr i see 00.20.41 Join magicman [0] (i=43b6e461@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-46207edb1f88b3b1) 00.20.58 Nick magicman is now known as mrmagic526 (i=43b6e461@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-46207edb1f88b3b1) 00.21.34 # BRB 00.22.15 # do i have to add a makefile to midi? 00.22.23 # * DerPapst is slightly confused 00.22.50 # because all the other plugins that are in a seperate dir have one 00.23.08 # Just want to say great work on the 80 gig ipod this weekend. I do have one question about the patch if anyone can answer it. I just reinstalled cygwin and got the latest svn. I applied the patch and it crashes with an error when building it.... 00.23.40 Quit z35 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.24.20 # mrmagic526: ehat's the error? 00.24.37 # because it worked fine for me. 00.25.00 # it says /home/Default/rockbox/build/apps/settings_list.o undefined reference to '__compound literal. and some numbers 00.25.20 # says it so many times it scrolls off the screen 00.25.29 # does anyone know what "iconv" is ? 00.26.02 # collect2: ld returned 1 exit status 00.26.09 # build error 2 00.26.11 Quit Thundercloud (Connection timed out) 00.26.32 # rockbox.elf error 1 00.26.39 Quit Sivart0 ("Leaving.") 00.26.44 # if you have a good build could you email it to me? 00.27.04 Join scorche [0] (i=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 00.27.09 # still building. but i guess i can :) 00.27.18 # cool. toddmc516@sisna.com 00.27.33 # DerPapst: What are you trying to do? midiplay is already compiled. 00.27.45 # midiplay? 00.27.52 # guess I'll have to check that one.... 00.27.59 # just trying to see how it works on my 80 gig 00.28.15 # used to use rock box on my 60gig.... i miss rockbox so much lol 00.28.20 # oh? haven't found it .rockbox\rocks 00.28.33 # s/\// 00.28.34 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 00.28.39 # DerPapst: RTFM.... "viewers" are in .rockbox/viewers/ 00.29.12 # oh. didn't know it belongs to viewers. soryy 00.29.15 # *sorry 00.29.44 # * DerPapst is new to rockbox 00.29.55 # We have a fine manual ;) 00.30.12 # haven't found it there 00.30.24 # it could be me.... I never used cygwin before. My main computer is down and I'm using a piece of crap win98 machine..... I usually use vmware.... I used to do some custom builds for my 60 gig 00.30.37 # i've searched the pdf for "Midi" with 0 results 00.31.03 # OK, midi itself may not be documented, but it should explain the concept of viewers. 00.31.43 # Be warned the midi plugin doesn't work well on ipods - IIRC, it plays audio at 22.050KHz, but the Rockbox audio driver only supports 44.1KHz... 00.31.48 # well but how do i know if it belongs to viewers with only looking at the source? 00.32.06 # look into apps/plugins/viewers.config 00.32.11 # i'll keep that in mind 00.32.14 # if it's listed there it's a viewer 00.32.25 # ah ok. 00.32.36 # or at least, you can invoke it as viewer 00.32.54 # some plugins can be both viewer and regular plugin. Sudoku for example is one 00.32.57 Quit Siltaar ("Aurevoir - www.fdn.fr/~sdescarp") 00.33.10 # bluebrother: and very soon chessbox too ;) 00.33.52 # whatever ... I'm to weak at chess for playing against the gnuchess engine ;) 00.34.07 # heh.. i guess i have to find out the difference between viewer and plugin fist by reading some docs. 00.34.11 Part juxtap 00.34.40 # if you invoke a plugin as viewer then it gets the filename passed 00.34.50 # DerPapst: they're basically the same, but plugins use the filename they receive to do something 00.35.05 # but viewers that rely on a file (like jpegviewer) can't be run otherwise 00.35.19 # ah ok 00.36.15 Quit Thundercloud_ (Remote closed the connection) 00.36.52 # mrmagic526: do you need the bootloader as well? or do you have some kind of 3rd party bootloader? 00.38.53 # nah i got ipod linux 00.39.09 # loader 2.5b6 00.39.11 # mrmagic526: iirc ipodlinux works an older units... rockbox works on newer units 00.39.21 # linuxstb: one question about ipodpatcher (once again): where does it get the generation from? some mbr magic? 00.39.26 # i got the 80 gig ipod 00.39.50 # mrmagic526: wel go look at the webpage then... you should find out what "generation" ipod you have exactly 00.39.54 # i've been hacking ipods for a while. Just got super excited to see rockbox for my 80 gig.... problem is this piece of crap computer isn't compiling it 00.39.57 # DerPapst: From the firmware version number (in the firmware partition). 00.40.01 # I know what I have 00.40.05 # it's a 5.5 80 gig 00.40.08 # mrmagic526: ok. but you have to make a loader.cfg for rockbox. autodetectioni is broken in this version. 00.40.09 # I have linux on it already 00.40.11 # mrmagic526: rockbox doesn't work on the 80 gig... 00.40.14 # right 00.40.21 # linuxstb: thanks. 00.40.26 # I got a loader config since I have a wikipedia linux on my ipod as well 00.40.29 # TrueJournals: actually, it does 00.40.29 # TrueJournals: amiconn put up a patch lst night 00.40.30 # mrmagic526: I dont expect you need to compile rockbox? you can just use prebuilt rockbox? 00.40.37 # TrueJournals: wrong ;) 00.40.40 # enyc not for the 80 gig 00.40.42 # Ah, OK, my bad... 00.40.44 # it's not in the svn yet 00.40.48 Quit Domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.40.51 # patch released today 00.40.52 # mrmagic526: I can send you a build that works on the 80gb 00.40.58 # Hadn't heard about that... thanks for letting me know 00.41.07 # DerPapst: There isn't a firmware version (afaik) in the 3g or earlier firmware, so ipodpatcher just assumes a 3g (as that's all Rockbox works on). If you're using it for other reasons, you'll need to solve that issue... 00.41.09 # cool. I'm on the web irc so email it to toddmc516@sisna.com 00.42.01 # mrmagic526: http://leepil.com/~lee/rockbox.zip 00.42.14 # linuxstb: i thought about a force function.. if it doesn't find the magic in the mbr 00.42.14 Part TrueJournals 00.42.27 # cool thanks 00.42.33 # mrmagic526: I assume you have loader2 since you have ipodlinux, in that case just mv rockbox.ipod that is in .rockbox to the root of the ipod 00.42.45 # DerPapst: No, just get rid of the MBR check altogether... 00.42.48 # I'm pretty good at compiling but my good pc is down and I'm using an old piece of crap that I had to put cygwin on instead of vmware 00.42.56 # cannot wait to try it 00.43.55 # yup yup 00.44.15 # DerPapst: I'm not sure if ipodpatcher does, but it should check that the first partition is type 0 (Empty) and the second partition is FAT32 (or HFS for macpods). That should be enough to identify ipods (along with checking the contents of that empty partition for a valid firmware image) 00.44.39 # linuxstb: done that already. i just wonderd if i have to give ipodpatcher the generation. 00.44.45 Join bospaadje [0] (n=bospaadj@ip82-139-84-212.lijbrandt.net) 00.45.54 # linuxstb: i've disabled another check so it prints the partition table of any usb/fiwi device and errors then if's not an ipod. 00.46.47 Quit barrywardell (Remote closed the connection) 00.48.10 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m180.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 00.48.10 Quit zivan56 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.48.36 Quit ender` (" I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize.") 00.48.38 # linuxstb: the force option disables the check in ipodpatcher.c line 169 00.49.12 Part nixphoeni 00.50.16 # DerPapst: Are you sure it's line 169 in SVN? 00.50.32 # um... no :P 00.50.35 # wait a sec 00.50.49 # I assume you mean the one that checks for "iPod" or the longer string? 00.50.59 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 00.51.37 # line 175 :) 00.51.41 # yes 00.52.10 # Holy Fraking hell.... Rockbox on my 80 gig..... YIPEEE........ thanks......... EVERYONE 00.52.21 # your welcome :P 00.52.58 # hie everyone 00.53.20 # playlist random 00.53.21 # mrmagic526: I was pretty excited also last night took freaking forever to build the databse though :P 00.53.47 # time to get my themes and doom setup and pacman...... I'm so excited I haven't had rockbox since I was an idiot and sold my 60 gig to get my 80 gig the first day thinking rockbox would work ..... dumb stupid me...... 00.54.10 # I'll let it do the database once I get the interface and games setup 00.54.20 # the random playlist under rockbox, really doesn't work 00.55.28 # i have played during many hours 2 albums in the same playlist, with random, and i have never heard some tracks 00.55.40 # it's been so long I dont even know what half of these plugins are anymore 00.56.24 # hey guys, quick wps question - before the ps tag used to be a conditional. now it seems to only display an S when shuffle is on 00.56.43 # how do i create a condition so it displays shuffle instead of just s 00.57.06 # e.g. %?ps< %| shuffle> 00.57.10 Join markun [0] (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 00.57.37 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 01.00.43 Quit matsl (Remote closed the connection) 01.00.47 # lini: you could try %?ps< %| shuffle|> 01.02.13 Quit obo ("bye") 01.04.41 # please how to display the autoscore in a wps ? 01.07.38 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 01.10.52 # lini: what you want is probably %?ps<|shuffle> 01.11.30 # My_Sic: %ra 01.11.41 # thanks 01.11.54 # zomg... the database inclused al the soundfiles from the ipodgames.. haha 01.12.49 Quit mrmagic526 ("CGI:IRC") 01.13.11 # Nico_P: isn't it %?ps (instead of %?ps )? 01.13.12 # and i wondered why i have so many untagged songs :) 01.13.15 Join Alldogship [0] (n=Alldogsh@bas3-montreal02-1096680513.dsl.bell.ca) 01.13.18 Quit Alldogship (Client Quit) 01.13.31 # TrueJournals: I just saw your flyspray posts - I removed more IRAM than just synth_full. 01.13.37 # ^more from IRAM 01.14.01 Join Alldogship [0] (n=Alldogsh@bas3-montreal02-1096680513.dsl.bell.ca) 01.14.01 # PaulJam: yes, you're right. it's a true|false conditional 01.15.42 Quit Alldogship (Client Quit) 01.15.51 # DerPapst: not to have the soudfiles from ipodgames in the databases, you can use the songdb perl script (or waiting for FS #5960) 01.15.57 # linuxstb: What else did you remove? 01.18.37 # My_Sic: i don't care to much about it so i guess i'll wait :) but thanks. 01.19.14 # your welcome 01.19.23 # TrueJournals: I removed synth_full from IRAM (which your patch doesn't do), plus the two .S files (which your patch does do). The patch for synth_full is here - http://www.pastebin.ca/501271 01.19.46 # TrueJournals: I would be interested to see the tests with synth_full also removed from IRAM - I didn't benchmark them individually. 01.19.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.19.56 # linuxstb: if i remeber right you wanted 3 days ago someone with a 3G iPod? 01.20.06 # but the songdb perl script is usefull, because it use less time to make the database 01.20.28 # on my 60go it can be very long with rockbox 01.20.32 # linuxstb: My patch didn't include the two .S files... for some strange reason... I'll test what I currently have with what you just gave me later and post the results on FS 01.20.42 # (I have to go eat dinner now) 01.20.43 # Bye 01.20.45 Part TrueJournals 01.21.33 # DerPapst: I did? I can't remember why... 01.21.59 # DerPapst: Ah yes, it's coming back to me now - testing MP3 decoding... 01.22.07 # about some optimisation of mpegplayer or something (with moving something out of iram) 01.22.12 # or that 01.22.15 # :) 01.22.49 # Basically this patch - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6705#comment15308 01.23.06 # XavierGr 01.23.11 # here? 01.23.26 # Nico_P: : is it normal that the %ra tag give only the firt number of the autoscore ? 01.23.45 # My_Sic: probably not :) 01.25.13 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 01.27.09 Part nls 01.30.18 # pearldiver: I am now but not for long 01.31.04 # im getting a different error but im trying the gigabeat format utility now 01.31.49 Quit spiorf_ (Remote closed the connection) 01.31.56 # you are getting an error where exactly? 01.32.15 # at the boot up 01.32.35 # what's the plural of 'parenthesis' ? 01.32.50 # i see the drive alright now but just copying the needed files didnt help 01.33.09 # and what are '<' and '>' called besides less than and greater than ? 01.33.35 # Nico: I don't think that there is a plural of parenthesis 01.33.39 # but I might be wrong 01.34.31 # pearldiver: I am not exactly a Gigabeat guru, but if you can access your DAP through a PC then I guess that your player is safe for the time being 01.34.39 # does it boot at OF or rockbox at all? 01.34.43 # linuxstb: so i have to apply mpa.patch at first and than the other patch? 01.35.01 # XavierGr i tried only rockbox and it didn't work 01.35.07 # im going to try the OF now 01.35.43 # pearldiver: the rockbox bootloader has an emergency mode IIRC 01.36.00 # Nico_P i had to reformat the player 01.36.04 # its blank now 01.36.11 # completely 01.36.13 # ok 01.36.27 # so im not really sure what steps to try 1st 01.36.37 # just copying the needed rockbox files didnt work 01.36.50 # you probably need a bootloader 01.37.25 Quit PaulJam (".") 01.37.27 # including bootloader 01.37.52 # i think i need to restore the OF 1st 01.37.56 # yes 01.38.05 # just place the default OF files in the right folders 01.38.08 # yes, just the rockbox bootloader isn't enough 01.38.13 # then turn battery off and then on 01.38.21 # and boot up 01.38.30 # if it workd proceed with the rockbox boot loader 01.38.31 # DerPapst: Apply the first (mpa.patch) patch on that page. Then edit dct32_arm.S and synth_full_arm.S to replace ".icode" with ".text" at the top, then apply the patch I posted to pastebin.... 01.38.35 # Nico_P all the needed files were there alright 01.38.43 # oh 01.39.14 Quit mpeccorini ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 01.39.25 # pity it doesn't work with restoring the OF 1st 01.39.31 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 01.39.32 # without* 01.40.05 # DerPapst: But to perform the actual benchmarking, you'll need to compile the test_codec plugin (another viewer...). Add test_codec.c to apps/plugins/SOURCES, and also add the line "wav,viewers/test_codec,-" to apps/plugins/viewers.config 01.40.18 Join mrmagic526 [0] (i=43b6e461@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b4ae5cdc0266a7a4) 01.40.48 Quit Nico_P ("off to bed") 01.41.14 Quit z0de (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.41.14 NSplit pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 01.41.14 Quit case_ (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.41.14 Quit tipi^ (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.41.14 Quit kennethd (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.41.14 Quit CelticSoul (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.41.14 Quit Weiss (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.41.14 Quit hax (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.41.14 Quit joshin (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.41.14 Quit blithe (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.41.30 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@c-71-205-145-105.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 01.42.24 NHeal pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 01.42.24 NJoin tipi^ [0] (i=pihlstro@lehtori.cc.tut.fi) 01.42.29 NJoin Weiss [0] (i=taw27@pip.srcf.societies.cam.ac.uk) 01.42.37 NJoin hax [0] (n=hax@web.atl.citynetwireless.net) 01.43.05 NJoin kennethd [0] (n=kenneth@cpe-66-65-80-62.nyc.res.rr.com) 01.43.19 # stupid question time... I just put rockbox on my 80 gig...... a long time ago the doom plugin had sound.... I got doom running but it doesn't have sound...... is the sound gone? 01.43.38 # pearldiver: so did it work? 01.43.43 Quit hax (Killed by ballard.freenode.net (Nick collision)) 01.43.46 Join hax_ [0] (n=hax@web.atl.citynetwireless.net) 01.43.48 Join blithe_ [0] (n=blithe@stiletto.djblithe.com) 01.43.48 Join hax [0] (n=hax@httpcraft/hax) 01.43.48 NJoin case_ [0] (n=case@pdpc/supporter/student/case-) 01.43.48 NJoin CelticSoul [0] (n=celticso@ivr94-1-87-88-75-71.dsl.club-internet.fr) 01.43.48 NJoin blithe [0] (n=blithe@stiletto.djblithe.com) 01.43.48 NJoin z0de [0] (i=z0de@80-194-233-59.cable.ubr01.enfi.blueyonder.co.uk) 01.43.48 NJoin joshin [0] (n=joshin@unaffiliated/joshin) 01.43.49 Join joshin_ [0] (n=joshin@VDSL-130-13-9-125.PHNX.QWEST.NET) 01.43.49 # XavierGr will try in a few 01.43.56 Quit hax (SendQ exceeded) 01.43.56 Quit blithe (SendQ exceeded) 01.43.57 # its formatting now 01.44.00 Quit joshin (Connection reset by peer) 01.44.17 # well there is no need to make a full format, just a quick one 01.46.25 Part TrueJournals 01.47.03 # it didnt work 01.47.42 # linuxstb: ok. i'll do the compiling and testing tomorrow. 1:50 am already ;) 01.47.45 # what does it say? 01.47.58 # SYSTEM ERROR 00000020 01.48.04 # hmm 01.48.13 # DerPapst: Thanks - it would be useful to test an mp3 with current SVN using test_codec, then apply the changes to the mp3 decoder and test again. 01.48.13 # I dont know how I can help you any further 01.48.22 # pearldiver: you will have to ask markun for that 01.48.31 # linuxstb: ok. i'll do so 01.48.52 # pearldiver: does the drive works correctly under windows? 01.48.57 # DerPapst: In fact, apply just mpa.patch (not the extra changes) first, then the extra changes - so we can see how much difference IRAM use makes on the 3g. 01.48.58 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 01.49.05 # XavierGr yes 01.49.15 # pearldiver: if yes then I can't think why it doesn't work, wait for markun tomorrow and ask him 01.49.20 # now I must sleep bye all 01.49.51 # linuxstb: ok 01.50.09 Quit Psilonaut (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.50.34 Quit XavierGr ("One firmware to rule them all!") 01.51.21 Quit DerPapst ("So Long And Thanks For All The Fish!") 01.51.45 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@pD9EB3C9D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 01.58.58 Quit RaRe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.00.04 Join kkurbjun [0] (n=kkurbjun@c-71-56-227-141.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 02.03.09 # kkurbjun im having trouble getting rockbox to run on a formatted gigabeat 02.03.30 # what problem are you running into? 02.03.43 # it displays SYSTEM ERROR 00000020 02.04.00 # i tried formatting it with gigabeat utility 02.04.08 # and just copying the files over, OF and rockbox 02.04.11 # same error 02.04.19 # I was running into that problem as well 02.04.27 # I ended up doing a low level format of the drive 02.04.32 # oh 02.04.37 # so it writes zero's to everything 02.04.41 # helped? 02.04.44 # you won't hav a partition anymore 02.04.45 # good night at all 02.04.53 Quit DerPapst ("So Long And Thanks For All The Fish!") 02.05.05 # so just low level format it and copy the files over again? 02.05.06 # then I used windows xp's administrative tools, computer management to creat a new partition 02.05.21 # then I formatted with the gigabeat formatter 02.05.28 # and then copied the files over 02.05.36 # just the rockbox? 02.05.46 # no need to bother with OF? 02.06.20 # http://hddguru.com/content/en/software/2006.04.12-HDD-Low-Level-Format-Tool/ I think that was the tool I used 02.06.44 # it wiped at least the begining of the drive then I got seek errors so I killed the program and went from there 02.06.51 # no, I dind't touch the of 02.07.07 # I just copied over a system folder from one of my other gigabeats 02.07.17 # I think the system folder has to have special permisions though 02.07.24 # GBSYSTEM that is 02.07.40 # gotcha 02.08.21 Quit mrmagic526 ("CGI:IRC") 02.08.45 # If you need a system folder I can send you the one I have that works 02.09.03 # I don't know how I can make an archive that keeps the permissions though 02.09.03 # i have my old one backed up i think 02.09.10 # ok, that's good then 02.09.52 # but what kind of special permissions? 02.11.48 # it has to be labeled a system folder I believe, but I don't know how windows labels folders that way or stores that info in the fat, or wherever it puts it 02.12.02 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p54848058.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 02.12.06 # ah 02.12.24 Quit Arathis (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.14.38 # let me know if the low level format/partition/gigabeat format does/doesn't work 02.15.08 # adn if you nee any clarity on the steps that I did let me know as well 02.15.15 # do you have windows xp? 02.15.42 # yeah im doing the low level format now 02.15.49 # win xp, correct 02.16.29 # i noticed that theres a GBSYSTEM folder inside the toshiba program folder 02.16.41 # maybe i should try with that 1st 02.16.43 # that's a backup of what's on your system 02.16.46 # I mean player 02.17.14 # I would use the one you have backed up 02.17.19 # ok 02.17.40 # so its no problem to boot it the 1st time around with the rockbox bootloader? 02.18.42 # btw, i lost my partition due to the custom build with rotation patch 02.18.47 # nope, that's what I did 02.18.55 # so i had to reformat 02.19.06 # I've never tried that patch/build 02.19.19 # I wonder how it erased your partition 02.19.25 # yeah i wonder too 02.21.02 # I'm going to run and buy some solder, I'll be back in a bit 02.21.32 # ok, thanks 02.21.39 # let me know when you're back 02.28.46 Quit boxrock ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 02.30.29 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 02.30.35 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 02.30.46 Quit joshin_ (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.30.46 NSplit pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 02.30.46 Quit z0de (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.30.46 Quit CelticSoul (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.30.46 Quit case_ (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.30.46 Quit blithe_ (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.33.37 Join joshin [0] (n=joshin@VDSL-130-13-9-125.PHNX.QWEST.NET) 02.35.51 Join blithe [0] (n=blithe@stiletto.djblithe.com) 02.35.51 NHeal pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 02.35.51 NJoin case_ [0] (n=case@pdpc/supporter/student/case-) 02.35.51 NJoin CelticSoul [0] (n=celticso@ivr94-1-87-88-75-71.dsl.club-internet.fr) 02.35.51 NJoin z0de [0] (i=z0de@80-194-233-59.cable.ubr01.enfi.blueyonder.co.uk) 02.36.34 # kkurbjun worked wonders 02.36.39 # thanks again 02.36.52 Quit z0de (No route to host) 02.44.31 # pearldiver, glad to hear 02.44.53 # did the lowlever format start giving you seek errors too? 02.44.58 # level 02.45.17 # nope 02.45.20 # all went smooth 02.46.00 # hmm, just noticed that BlackGlass theme for the gigabeat disappeared from the gallery 02.46.11 # great, It might be a useful wiki article on how to upgrade/recover drives that lost their partitions 02.46.31 # kkurbjun indeed 02.46.39 # i was stuck without your advice 02.51.32 # i even performed the surgery 02.51.46 # well, at least i cleaned screen heh 02.52.16 # : ) 02.56.00 Join elfeshurikn [0] (n=Miranda@lit75-1-81-57-239-103.fbx.proxad.net) 02.57.45 Join RaRe [0] (n=Laffin_B@202-89-187-101.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) 02.59.36 Join mschneider [0] (i=42444ee1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b8e715d1ccada261) 02.59.50 # I'm trying to configure a build to patch album art for the sansa 03.00.06 # when selecting build type do you just select normal? 03.00.21 # because whenever i try to patch i keep getting HUNK 1-4 failed 03.02.26 Join bonbonthejon [0] (n=jon@cpe-69-133-37-32.cinci.res.rr.com) 03.06.16 Quit entheh ("^~") 03.06.55 Quit mschneider ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03.07.04 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 03.14.03 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 03.19.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.22.09 Join adienni [0] (i=8a595ac7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b26d8a0a886f682f) 03.22.11 Quit CelticSoul (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 03.22.11 NSplit pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 03.22.11 Quit case_ (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 03.22.11 Quit blithe (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 03.22.12 Quit jhulst (Connection reset by peer) 03.23.07 Quit adienni (Client Quit) 03.23.09 Join dreque [0] (i=8a595ac7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-61b02ccc61ac937c) 03.23.50 NHeal pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 03.23.50 NJoin blithe [0] (n=blithe@stiletto.djblithe.com) 03.23.50 NJoin case_ [0] (n=case@pdpc/supporter/student/case-) 03.23.50 NJoin CelticSoul [0] (n=celticso@ivr94-1-87-88-75-71.dsl.club-internet.fr) 03.24.00 Quit blithe (SendQ exceeded) 03.24.40 Join blithe [0] (n=blithe@stiletto.djblithe.com) 03.27.36 # if the patching is failing - you need to address that _before_ you attempt a build, and yes, Normal is the type of build you would do. 03.27.53 # oh, mschneider left. 03.27.57 Nick Soap_ is now known as Soap (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 03.29.12 # hey could anyone instruct me as to which bootloader I should use for the 80g ipod? 03.29.29 # I have the build bagawk put together but I don't know which bootloader to use for it 03.29.34 # dreque: 80gig isn't supported, I think 03.29.47 # It is. 03.29.48 # New patch. 03.30.02 # I'd also like to know the answer to the question, though :) 03.32.30 # dreque: I believe you would also need an 80 gig bootloader compiled using the patch... 03.35.31 # hmm ok, I guess unless anybody has a precompiled version, I'll try to do it myself, thanks 03.38.07 # dreque: I can try to make you a bootloader if you want 03.39.07 # That'd be great, I've been trying to figure it out, but I'll admit I'm lost, it'd be so nice to have rockbox on a player of mine again 03.41.11 # OK.. it's making.. 03.42.57 # dreque: http://www.jumbodir.com/get/?id=7d895f7e-adfe-afe0-4e08-f76263d6e2c2 03.43.09 # great thanks again 03.43.11 # That SHOULD work... I can't test it though 03.43.12 Quit dreque ("CGI:IRC") 03.43.16 Join dreque [0] (i=8d99ac93@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b52e107418715779) 03.45.13 # great thanks 03.45.22 # it works? 03.45.59 # no actually my internet cut out I didn't get the message where you sent It I think 03.46.11 # http://www.jumbodir.com/get/?id=7d895f7e-adfe-afe0-4e08-f76263d6e2c2 03.46.20 # It should work... I can't test it though 03.49.01 # thanks again I'm going to try and get it running now 03.49.06 # as will I. 03.49.09 # good luck 03.54.29 Quit bonbonthejon (Remote closed the connection) 03.56.52 Part TrueJournals 04.03.06 Quit intgr (Remote closed the connection) 04.03.09 Join intgr [0] (n=ack@blip.juffo.org) 04.03.09 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 04.09.58 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@71-10-1-92.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) 04.11.22 Quit Cassandra (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.11.47 Join Cassandra [0] (n=Cassandr@elmyra.coraline.org) 04.14.50 Quit dreque ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 04.21.30 Join dreque [0] (i=8d99a3c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a6025f7b1e39740f) 04.21.41 Quit dreque (Client Quit) 04.28.45 Join z35 [0] (n=z@adsl-226-225-186.dab.bellsouth.net) 04.30.50 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@166-220-017-040.mobile.mymmode.com) 04.33.18 Join Stygian [0] (n=Stygian@58.179.170.24) 04.33.42 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 04.33.42 Join dreque [0] (i=8d99a3c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d780ae140687de6d) 04.37.48 # ok so I got the patched bootloader for the 80g ipod, but can someone instruct me as to how I flash this to my iPod? 04.38.30 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.39.08 # ipodpatcher, with -a 04.39.08 # afaik 04.39.42 # Just as a note, you're not flashing 04.39.48 # It's just stored in a hidden partition on the disk 04.40.33 # ah, I'm still caught up in my iHP-120 days thanks 04.41.21 # Yeah, many devices don't require flashing. The bootloader just needs to be in the right place for their bootloader to spot it. 04.43.34 Join kubiixaka [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 04.43.49 # oh ok that makes sense, and I've been trying the ipodpatcher, however everytime I enter in the command it exits out 04.44.25 # just to clarify my bootloader.ipod should be in the same folder as ipodpatcher.exe correct? 04.44.36 # Yeah 04.46.29 # What, exactly, are you typing? 04.46.29 Quit scorche (Connection reset by peer) 04.46.31 # "ipodpatcher -a bootloader.ipod" 04.46.33 Join scorche` [0] (i=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 04.46.51 Nick scorche` is now known as scorche (i=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 04.46.59 # and afterwards it just hangs on the apple logo 04.47.31 # Hold right while you boot 04.47.37 # You probably didn't do the rest of the install, did you? 04.48.10 # The firmware needs to be patched too, I believe? 04.49.16 # oh I thought the bootloader would go the apple firmware if it couldn't detect the rockbox firmware 04.49.25 # and yes I have a patched version of the firmware 04.49.56 # dreque: It's supposed to, but doesn't right now 04.50.18 # okies. Anyhoo, I've got the source code, and "patch -p0 ipod55g-4.diff" from the rockbox-bleeding directory. 04.50.40 # I'm now going to go into the 'firmware' and 'bootloader' directories and use the 'build' command. Is that correct? 04.51.37 # No 04.51.47 # You need to patch the source, then just follow the usual compiling instructions for Rockbox 04.52.18 # righto. I'll need the CrossCompiler, then? 04.57.41 # does anyone have any idea what happened to the blackglass theme for the gigabeat 04.57.54 # it sort of vanished 05.00.04 # wiki or rockbox-themes? 05.02.49 Quit kubiix (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.02.59 # both 05.04.07 # peak meters behave strangely 05.04.44 Quit Stygian_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.06.42 # I didn't know blackglass was ever on the wiki 05.06.49 # I don't see it in the page history. 05.06.49 # it was 05.06.56 # at least somewhere 05.07.04 # my bet is rockbox-themes 05.07.19 # alright. There's the latest source code. Now to muck around with CrossCompiler 05.07.59 Join makeshift [0] (n=makeshif@69.182.58.137) 05.08.45 # how is support for 4G iPods coming along? think it will be stable soon? 05.09.39 # makeshift: I don't think anyone knows exactly what causes the crash yet 05.09.54 # Stygian: Try the SimpleGuideToCompiling page in our wiki 05.10.07 # will do; thanks 05.10.21 # well I got it to load the bootloader, but now it just hangs there 05.10.49 # dreque: Have you also installed Rockbox, or just the bootloader? 05.10.50 Join leebenningfield [0] (n=leebenni@c-24-60-24-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 05.11.16 # I've installed both 05.15.35 # What happens when you hold "Right" immediately after the Apple Logo displays? 05.16.26 # It goes into "Rockbox boot loader, Version: 1.0, IPOD version: 0xFFFFFFFF, TOSHIBA MK8010GAH" and then hangs there 05.16.45 # That's the last line it displays? 05.16.49 # yes 05.17.09 # I don't think you've installed a properly patched bootloader then. 05.17.26 # hmm yeah that's what It seems to be 05.18.11 # I received the bootloader from TrueJournals, I guess it wasn't patched properly 05.18.20 # Soap no luck finding it? 05.19.20 # dreque: Or you didn't install it properly. Ipodpatcher may have installed the inbuilt bootloader instead 05.19.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.20.06 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 05.21.32 # well in that case I think I'll try to install this once more 05.22.02 # is my command correct "ipodpatcher -a filename.ipod" 05.22.21 # It should be. 05.24.06 # nope I got the same thing 05.24.56 # dreque: give a second, I can try the rockbox loader on my ipod (I have been using loader2) 05.25.31 # ok thanks 05.29.19 Join Verity [0] (n=Ragnar@c-24-20-230-136.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 05.29.25 # Hello? 05.29.48 Quit makeshift (" Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 05.32.38 # oh well, it was a nice theme 05.35.09 Join a1titude [0] (n=Compaq_A@206-163-245-140.swcr.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) 05.35.10 # dreque: almost there, I was restoring the original boot partition to git rid of loader2 05.36.11 # ok thanks for your help, I feel like I can't sleep until I figure at least part of this out :) 05.36.32 Join krustyclo [0] (n=krustycl@pool-71-104-96-41.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 05.38.02 # im at http://www.rockbox.org/download/ i want to get rockbox for my ipod mini. what link do i click on for it under the ipod mini table ? 05.38.25 # krustyclo: Read the text at the top of the page... 05.38.54 # dreque: that works fine for me, probably just your bootloader 05.39.01 # do i download from the archived daily builds link 05.39.10 # dreque: one sec, ill scp mine somewhere 05.39.38 # great thanks again 05.39.57 # dreque: http://leepil.com/~lee/bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod 05.40.00 # Llorean, can you explain to me what i need to do ? 05.40.23 # krustyclo: You read the manual, and use the links in it. 05.40.38 # im confused 05.40.41 # Bagder: Why does the build table show the lds on the commit that claims it fixes the lds? 05.40.52 # krustyclo: What, exactly, does the manual tell you to download? 05.40.59 # i clicked on the link at the top that says "Archived daily builds" then ipod mini 1st gen 05.41.04 # it doesnt say 05.41.11 # i dont know... 05.41.27 # You are reading the Rockbox manual, right? 05.41.38 # i read it earlier 05.41.44 # it doesnt tell you exactly which one to download 05.42.05 # It tells you the difference between a "Current Build" and a "Daily Build" 05.42.10 Join Gursikh [0] (n=khalsa@unaffiliated/gursikh) 05.43.02 # i clicked on the archived daily builds link at the top of http://build.rockbox.org/ then clicked on "ipod mini 1st gen" is that the most current build available for ipod mini ? 05.43.22 # No, the most current build is the one you download on the current build page 05.43.33 # What's so confusing about "Below the table are builds of Rockbox" 05.43.38 # BELOW 05.43.39 # Scroll down 05.43.41 # there isnt one for ipod mini 05.43.52 # have you actually looked at that page 05.44.02 # theres a graphic image for most other ipods but not the mini 05.44.10 # It also says if one isn't currently showing, you either have to wait, or download an old build 05.44.27 # yes 05.44.29 # It's pretty clear what your options are. 05.44.30 # thats what i did 05.44.37 # i clicked in the link at the top!!! 05.44.56 # Then why did you ask? It makes it 100% clear that the Daily Build is older than the Current Build, but a current build is not available at the moment due to errors in the build system. 05.45.57 # What exactly is it that you're confused about? 05.47.26 Part Llorean 05.48.09 # well it's still hanging on the bootloader 05.48.28 # I feel as if I'm using ipodpatcher incorrectly 05.48.43 # can i install the boot loader from a mac ? 05.50.53 # yes 05.51.22 # well Mac OS X 05.51.34 # yep 05.51.58 # its in the manual - at rockbox.org 06.01.43 Quit dreque ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 06.07.38 Quit markun (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.08.58 Join markun [0] (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 06.10.12 # ok so i set up rockbox now can i add the music to any folder 06.13.20 # krustyclo: you can 06.14.26 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 06.14.39 # sweet 06.14.44 # so far so good.. 06.14.52 Join godzirra [0] (n=shawn@cpe-069-134-238-130.nc.res.rr.com) 06.14.53 # music sounds good.... 06.15.09 # heya guys. If I use senab's build (god am I so happy to have gotten rid of my zune and gotten a rockbox enabled device again) what do I need to name the jpgs? 06.15.20 Part Verity 06.16.37 Nick hax_ is now known as hax (n=hax@web.atl.citynetwireless.net) 06.16.41 # when i tried ipodlinux, it didnt work very well 06.16.50 # whats the name of the gameboy emulator ? 06.21.38 # nm found it 06.22.15 # anyone rockbox developers here 06.22.47 Quit z35 (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.23.39 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 06.23.48 Join z35 [0] (n=z@adsl-226-225-186.dab.bellsouth.net) 06.25.41 Quit atsea- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.27.54 Join atsea- [0] (i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-0c678551e3aaa0b5) 06.30.00 Quit a1titude ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") 06.30.20 # Anyone have any ideas? 06.30.58 # Naming jpegs? 06.31.53 # They can be named anything (anything valid for a fat32 drive), and have the extension jpg or jpeg 06.32.50 Quit kubiixaka (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.34.03 Join ptw419 [0] (i=ptw419@216-188-249-122.dyn.grandenetworks.net) 06.40.34 # wow 06.40.44 # rockbox runs so well 06.41.43 Quit kubiix ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 06.42.39 # is anyone here 06.42.58 # yes 06.43.13 # why cant rockbox access the music i added in itunes ? 06.43.21 # if you just drag and drop files 06.43.36 # because itunes randomly renames files and puts them in arbitrary directories 06.43.39 # why cant it scan the files in the music_control folder and read the id3 tags and add it 06.43.42 # It can, use the database feature 06.43.48 # oh 06.43.54 # righto 06.44.01 # unless the songs are crippled, then they won't play 06.44.14 # you mean use drm ? 06.44.21 # yep 06.44.34 # nope i refuse to buy drm crippled music 06.48.05 # if i enable the database do i have to load it every time i boot my ipod 06.48.12 # or only after i add music in itunes ? 06.48.35 # It needs to generate the database once, and then it just monitors any changes from then onwards. 06.49.15 # sweet 06.49.26 # so far i am really impressed.... 06.49.46 # can i i erased songs that are in my itunes database from within rockbox ? 06.49.59 # or do i have to use apples firmware nd itunes to do that 06.50.03 # *and 06.52.16 # itunes, probably, as rockbox only removes the file, not the .db entry 06.52.57 # ahh i see 06.53.34 # after i use rockbox and am sure that its still stable i think ill just remove all the itunes db files and add it in rockbox format 06.54.29 # That's a better idea, when you play the files in rockbox, the playlist entry is the filename, not the tags so you get an entry like "EQKA.mp3" 06.55.07 # ? 06.55.30 # i have seen an entry in that format in the database menu in rockbox 06.55.47 # havent 06.56.10 # If you play the song in rockbox, and then go to "view playlist" in the WPS context menu, you will see what I mean. 06.56.41 # oh 06.57.13 # It just makes browsing by playlist a little cumbersome 06.57.35 # im gonna just go for it and remove everhything from itunes and add it in rockbox 07.02.30 Join nutt [0] (n=chatzill@cm61-18-106-243.hkcable.com.hk) 07.02.49 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 07.09.40 Quit Nibbier (Remote closed the connection) 07.10.44 Join Nibbier [0] (n=sven@port-212-202-177-141.dynamic.qsc.de) 07.11.49 # aliask, ok i removed the music. is it safe to delete /iPod_Control ? 07.12.41 # If you really want. It's a hidden folder though, so rockbox won't see it by default. 07.13.25 # i can also add the music in as many sublevels as i want right ? 07.13.35 # err sub folders 07.13.40 # Yep 07.13.49 # because i was thinking of putting all my music in /Music 07.16.17 # this is so much better than using itunes 07.16.35 # I agree :) 07.17.35 # i have over 11K songs and tried using itunes to manage all of my music but its difficult to have 2 databases across 2 computers. especially when one is a mac and the other is a pc 07.18.25 # Well the file method will be a lot nicer then. 07.18.30 # yep 07.19.10 # i originally wanted to use rockbox for its ogg support but just noticed that ogg and non-ipod standard codecs dont work anyways with rockbox on an ipod 07.19.42 # What do you mean? Ogg should work fine on iPod 07.19.50 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 07.19.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.19.59 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.164.ptr.us.xo.net) 07.20.04 # well maybe the RB page isnt up to date 07.20.31 # oh wait nm i misread it 07.24.51 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 07.24.58 Part kaaloo 07.27.25 # wow this is so much easier with drag and dropping..... 07.29.48 # * amiconn pings Bagder 07.31.28 # * amiconn also pings linuxstb and Slasheri 07.37.57 Quit kubiix (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.39.47 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 07.41.55 Quit pearldiver ("some games are better left unplayed") 07.54.16 Join pearldiver [0] (n=say@cpe-72-225-231-80.nyc.res.rr.com) 07.58.15 Part nutt 08.06.14 # * JdGordon off for 2 days... in the unlikely event anyone cares :p 08.06.19 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 08.06.36 # Does Panasonic's AM2 architecture ring a bell to anyone? 08.33.14 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.dsl.t-2.net) 08.40.08 Join ackbahr [0] (n=ackbahr@d83-176-44-167.cust.tele2.ch) 08.45.25 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-7d322dd14975add9) 08.47.45 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54b14c1a.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.54.58 Join scubacoles [0] (n=scoles@122.49.156.17) 08.55.25 Join B4gder [0] (n=daniel@static-213-115-255-230.sme.bredbandsbolaget.se) 08.55.48 # hi B4gder 08.55.58 # morning 08.56.04 # Seems the newly added build server has serious problems :( 08.56.17 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 08.56.24 # indeed 08.57.13 # disabled now 08.57.21 # chrisjs169: here? 08.57.47 Join bluebrother [0] (i=KfsRuYLj@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 08.58.34 # * amiconn wonders whether LinusN will show up today 08.58.42 # * amiconn has some ata related questions 08.59.02 # I believe he plans to 08.59.26 # * GodEater cranks the handle on the forums to bring them up to speed 09.00.05 # GodEater: Did you already try the patch on your 80GB? 09.00.34 # certainly did :) 09.00.50 # thank you very much for your hard work 09.01.24 # * amiconn needs to add a sanity check for the physical sector size, and wonders which way of sinalling would be better: Just fail in ata_init() with a negative rc, or better panicf() and tell what's wrong 09.02.14 # * GodEater thinks the latter 09.02.22 # me too, since it can't continue anyway from there then 09.02.32 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjorn@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 09.03.28 # btw Bagder, I was only half serious about Bermuda, it has several other drawbacks : a) No-one we know lives there, so organising a venue would be tricky. b) It has lots of beaches which provide a distraction ;) 09.03.42 # hehe 09.04.00 # I can't see anyone being happy about getting sand / seawater in their laptops 09.04.12 Join charkins_ [0] (n=casey@pdpc/supporter/active/charkins) 09.04.12 Join scorche` [0] (i=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 09.04.41 Quit Gursikh ("Sleep time!") 09.05.21 # I wonder if South Africa might be a good destination - it's about 10 hours from Europe - and I suspect not *too* bad from Australia. Only thing I'm not sure on is the flight time from the US. 09.05.31 # although again cost is probably prohibitive 09.06.37 Join lds [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-829dd42bd01683da) 09.06.49 Quit scorche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.06.49 Nick scorche` is now known as scorche (i=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 09.07.52 # If travel costs would be nearly proportional to distance, calculating the best location would just involve to minimize the total travelling distance for all attendees 09.08.14 # But I guess the assumption doesn't hold... 09.08.41 Quit scubacoles ("This computer has gone to sleep") 09.09.18 # sadly not no 09.09.31 # travel costs are lowest when you're going to a "hub" location 09.09.59 # Hmmm. Using Cygwin to patch this firmware. I've done everything according to the wiki guild to compiling, and it's doing nothing. "patch --binary -p0 ipod55g-4.diff" 09.10.00 # it costs me nearly the same to fly to Lisbon as it does to New York from London 09.10.03 # and it's hanging. 09.10.11 # Not necessarily, but big cities are usually good 09.10.17 # Stygian: patch < patchfile 09.10.17 # need to ctrl+c to be able to do anything. 09.10.24 # ah, of couse. 09.10.43 # The cheaper airlines do not always fly to the big 'hub' airports 09.10.44 # otherwise it will wait for the diff on stdin (until EOF) 09.10.47 # Stygian: first, why --binary? second, you need to use "<" 09.10.47 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-754925d3707d9f5a) 09.10.56 # amiconn - very true 09.10.57 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.11.23 # Perfect. Thank you :) 09.11.34 # ls 09.11.40 # wrong window. 09.12.06 # the issue is also having devcon in a city where no one has "connections" such as the contactor building...meeting space can be very expensive, and doing something like i am doing with devcon-west (having it in a large suite in a hotel) is much cheaper than renting meeting space 09.12.51 Join austriancoder [0] (n=austrian@80.120.117.30) 09.13.52 # scorche: Heh - the impression I get from too much US TV is that you all live in palacial (compared to European) houses with enough room for 20 guests easily :) 09.14.10 # good morning, please review my patch the last time, as i want to commit it the next 48 hours :) http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7138 09.14.11 # we arent all rich... 09.14.40 # Another way to reduce travel costs is just setting the date early enough. Flights are cheaper when booked early 09.14.55 # scorche: I don't think it's about being "rich" it's about property prices being WAY lower :) But I do realise it's an idea mostly based on fictional TV 09.14.57 # indeed 09.15.07 # GodEater: depends where you live 09.15.49 # scorche: I'm guessing you could get quite a big place if you live in the middle of, say, Alaska ;) 09.16.42 # something like that out in the middle of nowhere, but in, say, the coast of southern california, property is quite expensive 09.17.12 # * GodEater wishes he'd taken his chance to go and live and work in Manhattan (all expenses paid!) 09.17.21 # * scorche would have 09.17.32 # * GodEater <--- dumb ass 09.17.47 # won't turn it down again if I get offered 09.19.02 # woohoo. everything compiled. now to test it. 09.19.26 Quit lds (Remote closed the connection) 09.19.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.20.15 Join lds [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-487d87de8da3fca2) 09.20.46 Quit charkins_ (Connection timed out) 09.21.03 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 09.23.09 Quit ackbahr ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.11/2007031202]") 09.25.29 Quit petur ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 09.25.36 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2683067f577f8620) 09.26.20 Nick lds is now known as lids (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-487d87de8da3fca2) 09.27.16 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007040314]") 09.27.35 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 09.28.24 # woot. it worked. 09.29.49 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 09.34.22 # Is there still a way to boot into the default apple OS instead of Rockbox, as it's booting up? 09.34.30 Join jaczehack [0] (i=d572f7b7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2fa314f918aa046d) 09.34.38 # Stygian: not with the rockbox bootloader, no 09.35.45 # Stygian, not as *default* anyway. You can still boot Apple OS. Just flick the hold switch to "on" as soon as you power up the player. 09.36.13 # Awesome, exactly what I wanted :) Thanks! 09.39.49 Quit ompaul (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.40.05 # the devcon bottles are now up for sale on e-bay, the shipping cost needs finetuning (I'll get it cheaper) 09.40.38 # a bag of signed bottles 09.40.48 # the 3 videos I made are being uploaded to dailymotion.com 09.41.11 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul) 09.44.01 # http://www.dailymotion.com/group/60452 09.45.12 # hi 09.45.40 # petur: nice :) 09.46.52 # haha 09.48.27 # it's amazing what a few bottles of beer can do 09.48.42 # haha 09.48.51 # especially when we had the beers the day before ;-) 09.49.19 # right :-P 09.51.17 Join sando [0] (i=lolsteam@124-254-76-41-static-dsl.ispone.net.au) 09.51.18 # and of course i found my subpack when i got home... 09.51.18 # hahaha 09.51.18 # lol 09.51.18 # the meeting vid is very interesting without sound... 09.51.18 # * B4gder forgot his earplugs at home today 09.52.53 # hehe, i called OS X "evil" :-) 09.53.26 # ooops 09.53.30 # ;-) 09.53.35 # and the zune project gets its fair share... :-) 09.53.49 # oooo, bad "box" jokes 09.54.00 # now we know why the images-only feed is a good idea ;-) 09.54.02 # if it's too bad I can take it down again ;) 09.54.07 # hahaha 09.55.47 # that was really one of the more important discussions :-) 09.55.57 # what did it cover? 09.56.01 # "the windows dudes can still manage but the mac dudes are totally lost" 09.56.05 # rbutil 09.56.09 # ah 09.56.49 # bagofshit is covered too 09.56.53 # lovely 09.57.08 # * scorche doesnt see a meeting vid 09.57.19 # http://www.dailymotion.com/group/60452/tag/RockBox/1 09.57.40 # it needs subtitles 09.57.42 # LinusN, os x is far from evil 09.57.44 # hrm....strange...see it now 09.57.58 # the accoustics in that room are dreadful 09.58.08 # krustyclo: sorry, we have video proof now saying it is 09.58.15 # what do you mean ? 09.58.22 # my camera only does 8kHz, sorry 09.58.51 # krustyclo: the video we're talking about where Linus says that about mac os 09.59.04 # so it must be true! 09.59.13 # :p 09.59.20 # it says so on the internet, then it is true! 09.59.23 # i used linux for 12 years or so 09.59.32 # then sold my pc and got a macbook... 09.59.41 # id never go back to a pc again... ' 09.59.59 # krustyclo: it's just about the fact that many osx users have a problem unzipping .rockbox to their player 10.00.12 # i didnt have any probs 10.00.13 # don't take it personally 10.00.18 # no im not ... 10.00.24 # sounds a pebkac problem 10.00.26 # krustyclo: that's because by running linux you've demonstrated having a clue 10.00.33 # most OSX users don't have one 10.00.42 # i didnt switch from windows to os x 10.00.55 # so its nice to drop to a command shell and run rm -rf / every now and then 10.01.04 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@avc146.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 10.01.14 # to keep my system running well 10.01.33 Join scubacoles [0] (n=scoles@122.49.156.17) 10.01.33 # we've had questions from some OSX users on how to start the shell. Then they've no idea what to do with it after they've started it. 10.01.57 # oh.. sounds windows newbs 10.02.12 # they houldnt be messin around in terminal if they dunno wtf theyre doing 10.02.29 # the unzip problems the mac os x users have is proof of silliness imho 10.02.34 # indeed 10.02.39 # it's completely braindead 10.02.42 # why ? 10.02.46 # exactly. that's why we need an easy tool for those users 10.02.51 # os x comes with a built in unzip utility 10.03.21 # yes, and that clearly isn't good enough for users 10.03.23 # because it unzips the rockbox.zip file into a folder called "rockbox" 10.03.32 # instead of unzipping what's IN the zip file 10.03.37 # oh 10.03.50 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 10.03.52 # then all you do is copy the contents of the folder to the mp3 player 10.03.54 # how hard is that ? 10.04.03 # too hard for most of our users 10.04.10 # esp. the OSX ones. 10.04.15 # hehe 10.04.17 # again, a pebkac problem 10.04.21 # know what that means ? 10.04.25 # I disagree 10.04.27 # * petur feels sorry the vid only covers rbutil, but the camera just ran until battery empty, which was after 10mins :( 10.04.31 # I disagree too 10.04.45 # OSX's unzip utility shouldn't invent folders 10.05.06 # krustyclo: and the reason that they fail to copy it is because .rockbox is hidden 10.05.17 # o 10.05.27 # you can't blame the users for not being good at working around flaws in the unzip untility 10.05.28 # petur: perhaps next time we should record video through camera and audio though rockbox and sync later?...audio really is dreadful 10.05.29 # usually i unzip it in terminal 10.05.37 # there is no way to unzip the contents of the zip directly onto the device using the builtin zip tool 10.05.40 # you know what the real problem is ? 10.05.45 # or even have a decent video recorder 10.05.50 # yes. "OSX is evil" 10.05.55 # krustyclo: mac os x? ;-P 10.05.55 # its a lack of understanding of unix based file systems and naming conventions 10.05.58 # we already said ;) 10.06.07 # krustyclo: from the osx team, yes 10.06.18 # i used linux so i know that files beginning with . are hidden 10.06.41 # scorche: I just made these to let people get an idea how devcon looks and feels 10.06.47 # krustyclo: and again, most OSX users haven't done that and DON'T know that and they shouldn't HAVE to 10.06.50 # krustyclo: but the majority of os x users don't know that 10.06.50 # but i can see how the windows to os x newb wouldnt know that 10.07.03 # well i guess im ahead of the game 10.07.04 # ;) 10.07.09 # yup 10.07.10 # how about the "never used windows or linux" OSX users ? 10.07.23 # if macosx unzip would just do what you tell it to, none of this would be a problem 10.07.24 # this kind of stuff isnt for them 10.07.29 # it does 10.07.34 # no it doesn 10.07.35 # 01100111011011110010000001100110011101010110001101101011001000000111100101101111011101010111001001110011011001010110110001100110 10.07.36 # 't 10.07.41 # who can translate that 10.07.49 # i really miss the "B", "P" and "F" in the tracker email subjects... 10.07.57 # LinusN: coming soon 10.07.59 # hey, don't talk binary to me like that 10.08.03 # lol 10.08.46 # if the unzip utility wasn't so brain dead on OSX, we wouldn't have all the "help!" posts in our installation forums 10.08.55 # its not os x 10.09.08 # a graphical unzip utility in linux would do the same 10.09.09 # no, it's unzip on osx 10.09.12 # no it isnt 10.09.16 # krazykit: no 10.09.16 # the file is hidden 10.09.26 # the hidden file is not the problem. the fake folder is. 10.09.35 # exactly 10.09.41 # thats not the utils fault 10.09.52 # it definitely is 10.09.55 # what if there were 10,000 files in the zip 10.09.58 # of course it is. the util is inventing a folder that does not exist in the zip 10.10.02 # without a folder structure 10.10.15 # ? 10.10.18 # i always extract a zip into a containing folder 10.10.19 # there isn't 10.10.27 # huh ? 10.10.29 # krustyclo: now you want hand-holding and "protect me from my computer"? 10.10.33 # no 10.10.46 # im saying, it makes sense to extract into a containing folder 10.10.51 # call it fake if you want 10.10.51 # no it doesn't 10.10.55 # we all think the tool should extract the files that were added to the zip, exactly those files 10.11.02 # except you krustyclo 10.11.23 # krustyclo: if it was an option, i could agree with you. but not when you can't disable that behavious. 10.11.28 # 0111100101101111011101010010000001100111011101010111100101110011001000000110000101101110011011100110111101111001001000000110110101100101 10.11.31 # :p 10.11.42 # out of arguments? 10.11.43 # ok, shall I remove that rbutil vid again and let peace return? 10.11.54 # :-) 10.12.00 # petur: no way! 10.13.02 # did anyone get that ? 10.13.12 # krustyclo: saying that (the first) in binary does not make it ok..that is against the guidelines... 10.13.14 Quit markun (Remote closed the connection) 10.13.22 # silly arguments event 10.13.23 # B4gder: Is there a plan to produce 64MB ipod video current/daily builds (sorry if I missed talk of this in IRC - I've been away from home for 4 days and only scanned the logs) ? 10.13.27 # lol 10.13.29 # speaking in binary is against them as well 10.13.33 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 10.13.42 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 10.13.43 # linuxstb_: yes I'll add such ones 10.13.54 # you guys did an awesome job at rockbox 10.14.03 # B4gder: OK. That means extra detection is needed for ipodpatcher (for when it's used with rbutil)... 10.14.05 # well those of you here who worked on it 10.14.43 # linuxstb: ah yes indeed. BTW, do you know if the 5.5G 30GB has 32mb? 10.14.47 # linuxstb: which bit of ipodpatcher cares ? 10.15.01 # so far i havent had any problems with RB 10.15.12 # B4gder: Not for sure - I've just assumed (like everyone) it's the same as the 5G 30GB. 10.15.24 # ok 10.15.29 # LinusN, GodEater have you guys tried ipodlinux ? 10.15.39 # i haven't 10.15.43 # krustyclo: nope - it doesn't interest me 10.15.44 # GodEater: the part that downloads a particular zip for your target I guess 10.15.53 # dont it isnt stable at all 10.15.58 # ipodpatcher does that ?!?! 10.16.04 # oh 10.16.07 # GodEater: ipodpatcher itself doesn't care, but the ipodpatcher detection code is used by rbutil which installs daily/current builds - so it needs to report the 64MB targets. 10.16.08 # * B4gder thought about rbutil 10.16.15 # aaaah 10.16.17 # makes sense 10.16.39 # do we know how to detect that then ? 10.16.47 # other than relying on the model ? 10.16.53 # We can only go by disk size I think. 10.17.00 # hmm 10.17.01 Quit scubacoles ("This computer has gone to sleep") 10.17.50 # is it only the 60 and the 80 that we know of with 64MB ? 10.18.10 # Yes 10.18.32 # * GodEater built a 64MB rockbox version yesterday for his 80GB 10.18.50 # man i wwish my ipod had a bigger hd 10.19.20 # how big is it? 10.19.25 # :p 4GB 10.19.35 # :( 10.20.08 # its an ipod mini. i dont think the hd is replaceable 10.20.18 # wait minis dont use flash mem do they ? 10.20.23 # I think you can replace the mini's HD with compact flash can't you ? 10.20.27 # you can 10.21.27 # should I add a "current" build for ipod 64mb as well? 10.21.29 # Not sure what size options that gives you though 10.21.40 # B4gder: why bother ? ;) 10.21.57 # only if we have a bunch of such users who want the bleeding stuff 10.22.22 # hang on, current = svn right ? Yes definitely in that case. 10.22.27 # exactly 10.22.35 # I'd use it 10.22.57 # first more coffee, then I'll poke on the script 10.23.00 # B4gder: I thought current builds were what we recommend everyone to use? 10.23.08 # btw - British Telecom are still proving to be the world's biggest pains in the ass, I still have no internet at my new home - but my build server is yearning to come back to the gang. 10.23.37 Join scubacoles [0] (n=scoles@122.49.156.17) 10.23.47 # krustyclo: you can replace the mini's hard drive with a CF card 10.24.14 # yea im reading about it but it looks kind of tricky 10.24.30 # you need to make a small adjustment to the RB source, but that's not complicated 10.24.31 # linuxstb: that's what I think too - we always ask people to use svn over "daily" if they report a problem. 10.24.38 # I tried that mod, it's really easy. 10.24.53 # the only problem is that there are cards around that don't work "good" 10.24.57 # tbh, I think we should drop the daily's 10.25.53 # bluebrother, it isnt worth doing it even if i get an 8gb compactflash card 10.25.57 # the dailies serve two purposes 10.26.02 # GodEater: The dailies are useful when users report new problems - they can go back over the last 30 days and check. 10.26.10 # exactly 10.26.19 # ah I see 10.26.28 # maybe we should rename them "troubleshooting" builds 10.26.29 # B4gder: two purposes? 10.26.29 # and the fact that they're built on a single host also makes the situation somewhat more controlled in case of odd errors 10.26.44 # that has helped us in the past 10.26.48 # in cases of odd binutils behaviour you mean ? 10.26.52 # or the like 10.26.55 # yes 10.27.02 # makes sense 10.27.38 # B4gder: BTW, I've been reading the devcon report - what does dropping support for ROMbox mean? Will it be removed from SVN, or just left as it is today? 10.28.06 # there's a report now ? 10.28.19 # linuxstb: mostly that we leave it as it is today, and no actual effort in making it ever work again 10.28.25 # GodEater: The wiki page 10.28.40 # krustyclo: depends on what you call worth it. I really like the idea 10.28.40 # * GodEater goes to read it 10.29.00 # bluebrother, isnt the highest capacity that you can get now 8GB ? 10.29.09 # as far as compactflash goes ? 10.29.23 Join markun [0] (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 10.29.24 # I'm not sure, but if not 16GB should be around in some time 10.29.30 # hi LinusN :) 10.29.33 # so the mod itself is quite interesting. 10.29.57 # amiconn: hi! 10.29.58 # my problem is only that those cards aren't too cheap and I don't have too much money to spend on something like that 10.30.10 # yea 10.30.13 # linuxstb: Just the fact that we accept rombox became too big for most archoses nowadays. 10.30.20 # i dont want to shell out a lot just to go from 4-8gb 10.30.28 # Of course we should still try to write nice compact and efficient code 10.30.42 # hehe. I did that anyway because I replaced the battery 10.30.44 # amiconn: of course :) 10.30.59 # The 2 targets where rombox still fits will of course continue to provide it as long as possible 10.31.07 # (Ondio SP and Player) 10.31.15 # at next commit there should be a 64mb video version built 10.31.36 # LinusN: Where did you find something that says identify word 47 bit 8 is a "validity" bit? 10.31.50 # I assume detecting the amount of memory and allocating the right amount at runtime is non-trivial ? 10.32.02 # None of the ata-5, ata-6 and ata-7 specs I checked say that, and none of my hdd targets have that set 10.32.12 # GodEater: for the 64mb you mean? 10.32.40 # GodEater: it requires us to re-arrange where we put stuff in memory somewhat 10.33.03 # I also checked the multisectors reported by my 6 hdd targets. All report 16 except the mini G2's microdrive, which even does report 32 10.33.36 # amiconn: Does your patch still need testing on "normal" ipod videos? 10.33.40 # GodEater: here's amiconn suggesting how to fix it "properly": http://users.telenet.be/petur/devcon2007/images/dscf0011.jpg 10.33.43 # But the ata specs say that '0' is a reserved value, so the G5.5/80's hdd violates the ata specs here 10.34.13 # linuxstb: Yes. I am also interested in a filesystem performance test patched vs. unpatched, if possible 10.35.39 # hey bluebrother 10.35.41 # still here ? 10.35.47 # http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ipodvideo64mb/ 10.37.11 # B4gder: is one of those the current layout, and the other the proposed one? And if so, which is which ? :) 10.37.45 # they're both the same 10.37.46 # amiconn: OK, I'll do that, but it won't be until this evening. Adding support for the 80GB means a new ipodpatcher released with updated bootloaders, and there are some things I would like to fix in ipodpatcher (and the bootloaders) before doing that. But I should be able to do that this evening as well. 10.37.55 # bluebrother, you here ? 10.38.00 # GodEater: just one using a fixed name and the other a dated one 10.38.33 # I meant in amiconn's diagram 10.38.39 # oh 10.38.43 # sorry 10.38.54 # GodEater: the left is the current, and the right is the proposed new one 10.38.55 # I assume the one on the left is the ideal layout 10.39.01 # argh 10.39.03 # I meant right 10.39.10 # GodEater: The problem is that plugins and codecs are compiled and linked to be executed from fixed addresses at the end of RAM. The suggested fix (amiconn's diagram) is to move plugins and codecs to the start of RAM instead. 10.39.30 # and then just extend the buffer off into space... 10.39.34 # nice idea 10.40.01 # does that mean that the codecs / plugins will now have to fit into a given amount of space ? 10.40.21 # they already had to 10.40.24 # this pic is a bit clearer http://users.telenet.be/petur/devcon2007/images/dscf0014.jpg 10.40.24 # That's how it works at the moment - two 512KB buffers at the end of RAM 10.40.28 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC") 10.40.41 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc962@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-7442922f6ff72c37) 10.40.54 # when will I remember not to click on a link in this thing ? 10.41.02 # can you post that last one again B4gder ? 10.41.06 # this pic is a bit clearer http://users.telenet.be/petur/devcon2007/images/dscf0014.jpg 10.41.13 # thanks :) 10.41.20 # its the same diagram, just a better pic of it 10.41.38 # yep - a bit easier to read 10.42.42 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host213-172-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 10.43.02 # linuxstb: I'll extend test_disk.rock to also test file create/open/delete performance, hopefully tonight 10.43.25 # Was the operation of the bootloader discussed? i.e. should Rockbox be loaded directly to the destination address or continued to be loaded to the start of RAM and copied? 10.43.25 # It would be nice to see disk performance patched vs. unpatched on a G5 (or G5.5/30) 10.43.39 # amiconn: No problem, I can do that. 10.43.42 Join Naked [0] (i=naked@naked.iki.fi) 10.43.45 # (G5 30GB) 10.44.01 Nick Naked is now known as Hadaka (i=naked@naked.iki.fi) 10.48.00 # linuxstb: I think the bootloader should continue to work like it does, and if we have a target where rockbox is split somehow in memory, crt0 should do that. It already handles several memory related inits anyway (iram, bss) 10.48.46 # Zagor: around? 10.48.53 # yup 10.51.06 # I know why the irc irc reader script breaks in IE: While mozilla uses document.styleSheets[m].cssRules[n], for IE it must be document.styleSheets[m].rules[n] 10.51.26 # oh great... 10.51.31 # Unfortunately it's hard to test without having the .pl script available as well... 10.51.43 # do you want it? 10.52.31 # http://www.rockbox.org/irc/reader.txt 10.52.52 # Does that script have further special requirements, or does it just monitor the plaintext log file? 10.53.34 # it jst reads "current" or if you send it a date param 10.53.58 # amiconn: the validity bit check is wrong in my patch, it is supposed to check word 59 and not 47 10.54.49 Join safetydan [0] (n=dan@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 10.54.51 # LinusN: My new patch just checks for the reserved multisectors value instead. Do you think that's a problem? 10.55.07 # and vavawoom, here I spot a vulnerability in that script. download it now, because I'm taking down the .txt link. 10.55.31 # amiconn: i'm not sure, but since the spec defines a validity bit, perhaps we should use it 10.57.33 # amiconn: Do you have any interest in doing the 64MB reorganisation? 10.58.13 # LinusN: This validity bit is for the actual setting, not for the capability reported in word 47 10.58.35 # ah, of course 10.58.46 # But word 59 bits 0..7 "might" tell us the preferred value for the disk 10.59.01 # * amiconn loves simple and clear specs 10.59.28 # even more when the manufacturers abuse them 10.59.56 Join catfishman [0] (n=who@S010600173f5a72d6.cg.shawcable.net) 11.00.09 # have they abused them? Or are they just as confused as us ? 11.00.13 Quit catfishman (Client Quit) 11.00.23 # Anyone around with a G5.5 30GB? 11.02.16 # GodEater: in this case it is a clear error, where they report a reserved value for the multisector capability 11.02.56 # lets petition Toshiba and tell them what we think of them :) 11.04.21 # bluebrother: your fsstrip thing has been added 11.06.38 # * LinusN adds Toshiba to HitList 11.07.12 # can we buy Toshiba with the Rockbox fund? 11.07.42 # * Zagor checks the bank account 11.07.48 # what do they cost? 11.08.08 # they can't be very expensive, can they? 11.08.38 # I doubt it, they're japanese and I hear a yen is almost nothing ;-) 11.09.13 # make them an offer... 11.10.15 # "hello sir, we in the Rockbox project have decided we want to buy your cute company. We offer you the sum of 1000 yens for a quick deal. Agree?" 11.10.48 # B4gder: we could even take the old Gigabeat back into production! 11.11.45 # * austriancoder will commit http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7138?getfile=13967 in 5 minutes, if nobody says somthing aginst it in the next 5 minutes 11.11.46 # we could mass produce our own ideal platform 11.12.00 # * LinusN adds austriancoder to HitList 11.12.03 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF72D7.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.12.08 # austriancoder: that's not really a good way to proceed 11.12.13 # 5 minutes is nothing 11.12.38 # at least allow some time for the hitmen to arrive 11.12.39 # * GodEater hides so that he can miss going on to LinusN's hitlist 11.13.08 # B4gder: the patch is there for more than 5 minutes in the tracker and I told the irc to review it yesterday.. i only want to go for sure, that everybody is okay with it 11.13.27 # austriancoder: lots of devs didn't see that yday or saw this today 11.13.40 # as jdgordon can tell you... 11.14.02 # asking things on IRC like "speak up if you object or I commit" is not good 11.14.18 # since at any single moment, most devs are not present 11.14.43 # B4gder: okay.. review it and if everything is okay i will commit it in 48 hours 11.15.17 # if you posted such a request on the dev mailing list I would consider it ok 11.15.41 # because 1) I'm not the one to review it anyway and 2) the stuff I said about devs reading the IRC right now 11.16.13 # but then I'm not saying you necessarily must have it reviewed 11.16.18 # i think the patch looks OK 11.16.34 # food 11.16.45 # B4gder: indirectly it did it: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2007-05/0112.shtml 11.16.55 # and if you feel confident about it, and are prepared to handle any immediate problems, feel free to commit 11.18.07 # LinusN: thanks... 11.19.14 # austriancoder: I've only just looked at the patch briefly, but have one comment - could you make audiohw.h include the low-level .h file (e.g. uda1380.h), instead of the other way around? 11.20.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.21.51 # I think that would also mean you could get rid of the useless mas35xx.h file. 11.24.45 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 11.24.54 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.164.ptr.us.xo.net) 11.27.37 Join Entasis [0] (n=Jarred@ppp155-198.lns11.adl6.internode.on.net) 11.29.00 # linuxstb: I wonder if he doesn't reply because he is already committing.. 11.30.47 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@84.150.71.112) 11.35.48 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust362.winn.cable.ntl.com) 11.36.18 # * pondlife reports for hitman duty 11.37.01 # * petur hits pondlife 11.37.16 # * scorche hits petur 11.37.31 # B4gder: nice. 11.37.32 # scorche: Thanks 11.37.44 # pondlife: revenge is sweet, no? 11.37.54 # Is it too early for beer-fuelled violence in this channel? 11.38.25 Quit scubacoles ("This computer has gone to sleep") 11.38.55 # What's up with the build system, btw? 11.39.22 # looks like one of the servers doesn't quite work 11.39.58 # Just one? It's being fed plenty of builds to do.. 11.40.54 # Perhaps the build system could spot a build time of <2 seconds and temporarily eliminate that server? 11.41.27 # Build times of ( 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0) are very "impressive", no? 11.42.29 # yup :) 11.42.50 # * pondlife wonders if that's in binary or not 11.47.13 # damn, someone enabled the nuclearscripting server again, i disabled that one last week 11.47.39 # "Christmas time is here again" 11.47.48 # what's wrong with that server (aside from not building stuff)? 11.48.11 # woo, upgrading libspeex to 1.2beta2 makes it go 0.6% faster on coldfire 11.48.25 # * safetydan thanks linuxstb for the test_codec plugin 11.48.30 # ender`: last week it made the entire build system freeze for some reason 11.48.38 # whee, B/P/F prefixes added again 11.48.53 # safetydan: You're welcome :) I'm constantly thanking myself for it, and wondering why I didn't do it two years ago... 11.49.27 # Should sound on 80GB iPod be added to te 11.49.33 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges I mean 11.49.41 # pondlife: Only when it's in SVN 11.49.42 # not until we commit it 11.49.59 # Ah, ok. I thought it was the "Ladies and Gentleman" we triggered on. 11.50.03 Quit Stygian ("/beep 1000") 11.50.19 # Or at least on the front page. 11.52.37 # e.g. "2006-03-28: Sound on iAudio X5!." 11.53.47 # Isn't disk access on the 80GB the news, rather than sound? 11.53.54 # i agree about the front page 11.54.13 # It was still a L&G... 11.54.31 # pondlife: I'm partly referring to that... 11.54.50 # Although suvch a post may trigger a flood of 80GB n00bs to our support channels :( 11.55.20 # Yes, it will give an influx of new users. 11.55.41 # Indeed, and new devs too, ultimately. 11.57.37 # dammit 11.59.20 # LinusN: I think the patch can be simplified a bit more. We don't really need 2 cached sectors; one will be enough 11.59.29 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barry@wardell.ucd.ie) 11.59.57 # I didn't think about that before, I just chose 2 because on the Ondio we need 2 (because of the bitswap running in the background) 11.59.59 # amiconn: i haven't studied the patch yet 12.00.10 # ah of course 12.01.10 Part maffe 12.01.25 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 12.03.51 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.7.132) 12.07.46 Quit Cassandra (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12.08.25 # LinusN: I re-enabled that server since chrisjs169 was here and he re-installed the box 12.08.45 # not a very good reinstall i must say :-) 12.09.21 # clearly not 12.10.17 # B4gder: Do both ipodvideo builds get the "ipvd" magic? 12.10.29 # (in the scramble header) 12.10.38 # yes 12.10.52 # possibly we should change that 12.11.29 # Yes, I think so. I'll think about that as part of issuing the new set of bootloaders. 12.12.14 # yes, we'll get more people using the wrong builds otherwise 12.12.22 Join Cassandra [0] (n=Cassandr@elmyra.coraline.org) 12.13.05 # * amiconn thinks we should probably not change too much for the separate 64MB builds 12.16.43 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 12.21.30 # lunch! 12.21.49 Part LinusN 12.22.04 Quit elfeshurikn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.26.28 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 12.26.30 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 12.27.18 # amiconn: Why? Are you planning on doing the require reorganisation to allow a single build? 12.27.25 Quit _kch_ (Remote closed the connection) 12.33.51 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 12.34.16 # linuxstb: yes, I think the idea is to move the plugins and codecs to the start of the memory 12.34.38 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@247-124.0-85.cust.bluewin.ch) 12.35.23 # on ARM right after the vectors 12.36.06 # i think the plan is to only do that on the targets that need it 12.36.24 # That idea has been around for over a year - I assumed that because the simple solution (separate builds) had been committed, that no-one was stepping forward to do the nice way. 12.36.38 # a correct assumption I'd say 12.36.46 # but perhaps amiconn has seconds thoughts ;-) 12.37.31 # Although maybe the nice way will be easier, given all the effort (updating rbutil, bootloaders, documentation etc...) required for separate builds. 12.38.00 # can we also detect the 8MB mod for the archoses? 12.38.27 Quit Lynx_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.38.32 # Hopefully 12.39.03 # what changes does the "nice way" invlove ? 12.40.57 # I think the ram rearranging won't be difficult, but it involves a rather large memcpy, so I'm not sure whether we want that on all targets 12.40.58 # Changing the .lds files, changing crt0-pp.S to relocate the main firmware code, and maybe changing some config.h variables (I'm not sure about all the places the plugin/codec load addresses are) 12.41.20 # The most difficult part would be adjusting the linker script 12.41.34 # If we go that route, we should probably do it for all targets 12.41.48 # The memcpy was why I suggested the bootloaders simply load to the correct address to start with. 12.42.13 # It would even allow to unify the h100 and h120 builds, if we use the memory size information also to adjust for the only other difference between h100 and h120 12.42.38 # linuxstb: There is no single 'correct address', at least not on arm, because of the vectors 12.43.08 # We don't know how big the vectors are? 12.43.46 # We know, but the binary nees to be distributed to 2 different addresses 12.44.04 # Isn't it just the vectors that need copying? 12.44.17 # Vectors must stay at 0 on arm, and everything else moved up by sizeof(codec_ram)+sizeof(plugin_ram) 12.44.50 # Yes, so we load at 1MB+a little bit from the start of RAM, and just copy the vectors. 12.44.54 # Or you load everything 1MB up, and then copy the vectors the other direction 12.45.08 # sounds like a better memcpy... 12.45.19 # It would be exactly 1MB, because the vectors could still be at the start 12.45.31 # err, silly question: what are the "vectors" ? 12.45.39 # The interrupt vectors 12.45.56 # ah ok 12.46.46 # But the downside is yet another forced bootloader upgrade... 12.47.12 # Yes, and we need to make sure new bootloaders won't load old binaries and vice versa 12.47.38 # Or perhaps they could continue to support old binaries for a while, but that means even more checking 12.48.00 # Would it be possible to put a nice warning so the main code can tell the user to update their bootloader, or will a memory rearrangement make some kind of Abort the only option? 12.48.38 # And on archos we cannot just change the load address, because rockbox is loaded by the archos loader unless it's flashed 12.49.09 # Otoh it woulöd be less of a problem with the self-decompressing binary on rec v1 12.50.50 # Hmm, Flyspray has the "by " back in it's mailing subject :( 12.52.03 # Very likely my fault for using OE to read the newsgroup, but I find it breaks the threading display. 12.54.31 # B4gder: so what's up with my server? 12.54.46 # see the build page 12.54.56 # 'ld' errors 12.55.02 Join PaulJam [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3142.gwdg.de) 12.55.17 # B4gder: It's not even 'ld' errors - the build never starts. 12.55.32 # o_O 12.55.34 # right, they show up as ld errors in the table 12.55.57 # maybe it fails to svn update? 12.56.59 # that seems to work 12.57.09 # the master script does that first for all servers 12.57.32 # petur - I think you're right - I just did svn up and it updated a few files 12.57.39 # strange error it gives 12.57.55 # like it missed some files in the tools folder? 12.57.56 Part maffe 12.58.15 # looks like they're all there 12.59.46 # somethings wrong with the build size table, it doesn't like the extra 64MB target 13.00.15 # It's just the total column needs a heading, isn't it? 13.00.16 # yeah, but I don't think its worth working a lot with 13.00.29 # Ah, it has one... 13.00.47 # the non-existing builds don't have a cell 13.00.57 # I think I found the problem 13.00.59 # odd one though 13.04.04 # B4gder: The images in the table header cells still need width and height properties... 13.04.14 # yes 13.05.24 # The jumping table when the images aren't cached is annoying... 13.05.45 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 13.05.51 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 13.05.53 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 13.07.10 # jumping? 13.07.15 # it never jumped for me 13.07.36 # it just struck me all the images are of the same size so it is quite easy to add it 13.08.54 # It jumps for me every few days 13.09.10 # I should make the small device pics use sizes too 13.09.15 # Firefox reserves more space than the actual width of the images 13.09.47 # So the table is wieder first (even wider than my hi-res screen), and then shrinks horizontally as the images get loaded 13.09.58 # s/wieder/wieder/ 13.10.02 # bah 13.10.06 # s/wieder/wider/ 13.10.07 # :-) 13.10.28 # you German? :p 13.11.42 Join Lynx_ [0] (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 13.13.02 # Well I figured out what's wrong 13.13.06 Quit sneakums (Remote closed the connection) 13.13.14 # but don't have any clue how it happened... 13.15.13 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 13.15.13 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.15.46 Join sneakums [0] (i=sneakums@jenny.ondioline.org) 13.16.03 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 13.16.07 # this is odd... 13.16.11 # chrisjs169: what was it? 13.16.49 # arm-elf-gcc etc weren't installed....i'm running rockboxdev.sh again, but it isn't even creating the directory for it... 13.17.19 # did you remove the old dir it created last time? 13.17.40 # that's the odd part - it almost looks like it didn't create a dir last time 13.18.04 # guess i'll try waiting for it to finish 13.18.06 # i g2g 13.18.39 Quit Rick ("I… don't need to be here.") 13.18.46 # 64bit? 13.19.15 # isn't there still a lack of a 64bit patch applied to one of them gcc builds? 13.19.28 # * B4gder has a foggy recollection of something like that 13.20.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.23.59 Join Rick [0] (i=rick@pool-71-119-160-247.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 13.24.11 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.25.32 # 32 bit 13.25.33 # coldfire needs a patch for gcc4 and above on 64 bit plats, i think 13.25.37 # but we don't use those 13.25.47 # ah 13.25.49 # i think it's working though, but don't enable the server yet 13.27.19 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 13.29.13 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 13.31.35 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp233-68.adsl.forthnet.gr) 13.31.38 # preglow: you missed some nice beer 13.32.29 # i saw... 13.33.11 # next year? 13.33.21 # you could get tan empty bottle :p 13.33.28 # s/tan/an 13.34.11 # petur: got more than enough of them, heh 13.34.27 # markun: sure, i would have come this year too if i didn't already have plans 13.35.52 # we need a devcon2008 date asap ;) 13.36.16 # start collecting beers ;-) 13.36.44 # nah, plenty of good shops nearby ;) 13.37.05 # Bagder: The binary size table has a problem with the added build, unlike the status table... 13.37.17 # I know 13.37.20 # but I don't care 13.37.25 # it'll get sorted out 13.37.41 # after about 18 more commits 13.38.04 # let that be a hint, amiconn :) 13.38.33 # or perhaps there actually is something else that is wrong as well 13.38.50 # time will tell 13.39.55 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@pd9eb3ca8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 13.39.59 Quit markun ("leaving") 13.40.26 # linuxstb_, linuxstb__: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6705#comment15327 13.40.31 Quit DerPapst (Client Quit) 13.40.47 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.40.53 Quit safetydan (Remote closed the connection) 13.41.10 # check the devcon2007 page now 13.41.36 # whoohoo 13.41.41 # Beeer 13.41.56 # no, bottles 13.42.01 # :( 13.42.06 # Signed bottles :) 13.42.21 # * pondlife wants signed beer. 13.46.31 # B4gder: maybe also add a link to the rockbox movie group at dailymotion? 13.46.43 # indeed 13.47.32 # petur: which of those beers was the best in your opinion? 13.48.20 # tripel karmeliet is my fav, but I like the chimays a lot as well 13.48.34 Quit linuxstb__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.48.54 # and westmalle of course 13.49.04 # and .... ;) 13.49.08 # it would be hard to choose, yes... 13.50.25 # 8 people per bottle was a bit too much though, we didn't actually drink much beer 13.53.43 # it won't be if i come 13.53.57 # heh 13.54.18 # if any surplus would occur, i'd just buy the extra bottles from you :) 13.54.23 # and probably drink them five seconds after 13.54.25 Join markun [0] (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 13.54.30 # I can't bring much more, I was already 0.5kg over my allowance 13.55.03 # home->devcon 20.5kg devcon->home 13.5kg 13.55.09 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 13.55.29 # aren't there any good beers in Sweden? 13.55.35 # sure 13.55.40 # DerPapst: Thanks for testing - 154% realtime for MP3 on the 3G is looking almost usable... 13.56.15 # linuxstb: is it just me or is faster without the iram on pp5020? 13.56.25 # It's faster without iram... 13.56.43 # See my (and TrueJournal) comments in flyspray... 13.57.10 # But (unsurprisingly), iram gives speedups on the 3g (see DerPapst's results) 13.57.24 # i don't understand why no iram would give better results 13.57.28 # i don't understand that at all 13.57.31 # Have you had a chance to look at the accuracy of the patch? 13.57.48 # no, but i'm going to do so today if i can 13.57.56 # No, nor do I. I can only assume it's related to the cache, and the cache must be faster than IRAM. 13.58.00 # i think it'll be acceptable 13.58.14 Quit Luc_Aylesbury ("Leaving") 13.58.18 # that would be... interesting 13.58.41 # But no, I can't really think of a logical explanation... 13.59.02 # Unless maybe it's long-calls between SDRAM and IRAM... 14.01.41 Quit Guile` ("KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'") 14.04.17 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@host-144-219.ch.le.ac.uk) 14.04.35 Join Guile` [0] (n=Guile@88-138-250-252.adslgp.cegetel.net) 14.05.36 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 14.07.42 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.08.24 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF72D7.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.16.43 Join PhoeniXYZ [0] (i=phoenixy@p50807D8C.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.16.53 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC") 14.17.08 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-e808bb659a34f71c) 14.21.34 # Hello. I've got a question about Rockbox. When I change the font to 6+12x13 everything is not aligned anymore. But thats kinda the only font with support for Japanese characters I found. What can I do to align everything correctly? 14.22.41 # I'm assuming you're talking about the WPS? WPSs are normally designed with a specific font in mind, and don't work correctly with different ones. 14.23.02 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@212.204.47.129) 14.23.48 # So... can I modify the font used somehow? 14.24.49 # It's probably easier to modify the WPS, or try different ones until you find one which looks acceptable with your font. 14.26.05 # or find one which uses your font in the first place 14.26.19 # Or that... 14.26.44 # or make your own from scratch! 14.26.51 Quit jaczehack ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 14.27.25 # I doesn't necessarily need to use that font. I need including a font with Japanese chars. 14.27.44 # UniCatcher probably supports Japanese. 14.28.20 # There's a wiki page showing which fonts support which character sets (but I forget the name) 14.28.43 # UnicodeFonts - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UnicodeFonts 14.29.05 # a thanks 14.29.09 # no japanese there I think 14.29.10 # it's rasher's site 14.29.24 # www.rasher.dk/rockbox ? 14.29.49 # GodEater: there is a link to rasher's font page in the UnicodeFont page 14.29.57 # ah - my bad 14.30.44 # in this table there is japanese, but only for unicode and 6+12x13 14.31.16 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484A76C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.31.57 # PhoeniXYZ: it's a lot of work to draw kanji for a font, maybe you can ask pixelma to update the nimbus fonts ;) 14.32.02 # yep - that's about the size of it 14.32.47 # 6x13 claims to have some support as well - but not much 14.32.54 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.32.58 # hmm 14.33.14 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF72D7.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.33.30 # GodEater: well, 6+12x13 is basically the 6x13 + 12x13 fonts 14.33.32 # you're welcome to have a hunt for other .bdf fonts that do include more CJK support 14.33.56 # I think the rockbox ones are ones we've found that have a clear license for us to distribute them 14.34.03 # it doesn't stop you using others right ? 14.34.14 # or you can try to convert some ttf fonts to bdf, but the quality it not always very good 14.34.28 # i just wanted to ask whether that's possible markun 14.34.29 # :) 14.37.12 # http://crl.nmsu.edu/~mleisher/ttf2bdf.html 14.38.23 # ah great, thank you 14.39.02 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 14.39.27 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 14.40.26 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 14.40.29 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 14.41.04 # Zagor: Would it be possible to get subscribed tasks sent via a cc in the original mail from the tracker, rather than a seperate mail? 14.42.13 # not without major patching 14.42.34 # PhoeniXYZ: there is a font in the tracker which at least has support for korean, don't know which other languages. 14.42.55 # aliask: but you can disable personal notifications in your profile, and thus only get from the mailing list 14.46.10 # Zagor: It was nice how it was before, gmail would note that you were CC'd the mail as well and give it a little ">" next to it. If it involves patching, don't worry about it though. 14.46.44 # aliask: the way flyspray sends mail has changed, so it cannot do it the same way anymore 14.46.53 # Pity. 14.51.54 # * petur reads Stockholm is getting an ABBA museum and plans to buy LinusN a ticket 14.52.14 # they're having the singers stuffed and mounted ? 14.52.47 # petur: maybe it's time for him to discover other bands besides ABBA and Ace of Bass, don't you think? 14.53.15 # at least we tried during devcon but he kept asking for them 14.53.41 Quit XavierGr () 14.56.28 # he didn't ask for any Roxette ? 14.56.43 # nope 14.57.18 # so it's not enough that the band be swedish? There's some other odd criteria too ? :) 14.58.48 # I noticed there are rules set up in FlySprayHowto in wiki about how to use severity. does that mean we actually use it nowadays? 14.58.54 # who's hiding behind LinusN in the team picture? Or is that his second head ? 14.59.00 # i.e. should I unlock it for reporters again? 14.59.33 Quit lids (Remote closed the connection) 14.59.40 # imho, those rules were set up because reporters kept using illogical choices 15.00.05 # so we're better off without that field 15.00.07 # I don't think we need severity at this point at least 15.00.26 # petur: right, that's why I locked it... 15.00.50 Join lids [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-8cedd8e7d0194913) 15.02.15 # i'll remove that from the wiki page then, and put a link to it from the Open New Task page 15.07.18 # thanks for the font issue :) but i've got another problem. when looking at my songs in database mode then the songs in albums with more than one disc are sorted in the wrong way. there are the two first songs first, then the second songs... and so on. is there any chance to force rockbox to sort by the disc tag in id3v2? 15.08.18 # "thanks for help concerning the font issue" i wanted to say, sorry 15.09.17 # PhoeniXYZ: I don't think Rockbox supports a disc number tag, although I seem to remember seeing a patch for it. 15.10.07 # A workaround would be to number the first disc's tracks as (e.g.) 101-115 and the second disc as (e.g.) 201-213. 15.10.27 # or name the albums with the disc number in (as I do) 15.10.31 # * amiconn just indicates the disk number in the album tag 15.10.50 # that would result in a big rework for my whole library 15.11.17 # GodEater/amiconn: But that wouldn't show them as a single album in the database. 15.11.28 # No it wouldn't 15.11.36 # * GodEater accepts this limitation 15.11.46 # i found a patch but that just adds the feature right? the gui wouldnt display it? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/4961 15.11.53 # * amiconn too 15.11.59 # * linuxstb too ;) 15.12.04 # hehe 15.12.05 # linuxstb: Track numbers are limited to 2 digits 15.12.19 # They are? Even for norwegian language courses? 15.12.25 # yup 15.12.35 # hahaha 15.12.40 # Rockbox is surely not norwegian compliant 15.12.50 # * GodEater hopes not 15.12.52 # Even when the database guesses track numbers, which is still in there and it's annoying :( 15.13.02 # * linuxstb trusts Nico will fix the norwegian bug 15.13.42 # What limits track numbers to 2 digits? 15.13.48 # lord knows 15.14.07 # I thought I'd seen bluebrother post something about using tagnavi syntax to get three digit ones 15.14.14 # so that would imply there's no limitation 15.14.21 # but I trust amiconn's knowledge of the source 15.14.26 Quit Entasis ("Leaving") 15.14.33 # ok.. one last question for now, how to apply a .patch file? 15.14.34 # :) 15.14.46 # In id3.h, "track_string" is a char* (same as the other strings), and tracknum is an int. 15.14.49 # I didn't check the source, but limiting track numbers to 2 digits is common 15.15.05 # The database definitely only displays 2 15.15.17 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.15.18 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B1745B.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.15.23 # Maybe it's a database issue then (%02d) ? 15.15.58 # Audio CDs can't have more than 99 tracks per red book, that's where the limit comes from 15.16.28 # PhoeniXYZ: It's not really an easy one step thing. You need to recompile rockbox from the source. 15.17.28 # But for now, I'm off. 15.17.33 # so its hard without unix experience? 15.17.48 # There's a tutorial on the wiki somewhere 15.17.51 # tagnavi defaults to the %02d format 15.17.58 # * GodEater just looked 15.17.58 # hm ok... 15.18.02 # so thank you 15.18.08 # np 15.18.12 Quit aliask ("bye~") 15.18.21 # PhoeniXYZ: It helps to be comfortable on the command-line (any command-line...), but as aliask said, there is lots of documentation about it. 15.19.29 # heya guys. If I use senab's build (god am I so happy to have gotten rid of my zune and gotten a rockbox enabled device again) what do I need to name the jpgs? 15.19.47 # convert them into 100x100 .bmps 15.19.49 # What jpgs? 15.19.55 # Ahh ok. And name them what? 15.20.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.20.15 # cover.bmp i think :) 15.20.18 Quit BigBambi ("Leaving") 15.20.23 # Got it. 15.21.12 # Hrm. I wonder if there's an easy way to find all the jpgs in subdirectories and convert them into 100x100 bmps. 15.21.31 # i didn't find one yet 15.21.33 # imagemagick + bash scripting :) 15.21.44 # My mp3s are on my windows pc., 15.21.58 # imagemagick + bash scripting + cygwin then 15.22.12 # I think there are some tools for windows 15.22.32 # godzirra: you didn't find anything in the forums? 15.22.44 # Or the wiki page about album art? 15.23.02 # ... I havent started looking yet. Sorry, it didnt occur to me to look since it wasn't an official rockbox build. 15.23.14 # * godzirra goes to read. 15.23.14 # sorry. 15.23.49 # godzirra: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt 15.24.58 # I'm reading it now. 15.26.00 # were there many complaints yet after Cassandra removed all those WPS'? 15.26.32 # nly some but I think most haven't noticed 15.27.12 Join scubacoles [0] (n=scoles@122.49.156.17) 15.27.42 # godzirra: it works pretty well with irfan view and its batch processing 15.30.11 Quit petur ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 15.31.05 # I'm reading up now. Thanks. ;) I've got to jet to work but I'll finish reading shortly. 15.32.05 # Was there any discussion about rockbox-themes.org ? 15.32.13 # (e.g. making it more official) 15.32.59 # nope 15.33.16 # but we should! 15.33.24 # It's a nice site, just need to remove the copyright infringers, and perhaps tone down the number of "My Humps". 15.33.53 # BTW, what was the copyright problem with the ones Cassandra removed? Winamp icons? 15.34.14 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 15.34.41 # IMO, the two issues are 1) Copyright - does the webmaster of rockbox-themes.org want to restrict it to "100% legal" WPSs ? 2) WPSs requiring patches - are we happy to distribute them? 15.34.46 # pondlife: "my humps"? 15.34.59 # (and of course, 3) - does the webmaster want to make it official?) 15.35.27 # Zagor: Look at the H300 page for a sample.... 15.36.03 # The Sahara theme should certainly be using "My Humps though ;) 15.36.33 # same person making all screenshots? 15.37.15 # Guess so.. pity they had to use that track.... ;) 15.37.44 # * pondlife doesn't like it much, that's all 15.42.05 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-24bdf99a401a661a) 15.48.58 Join t13 [0] (n=detestin@83.72.133.95.ip.tele2adsl.dk) 15.51.18 Part t13 15.56.23 Quit scubacoles ("Leaving") 15.57.56 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 16.00.34 Quit sando (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.02.22 Join GenjuroXL [0] (i=Genju@p54927756.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.02.33 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-075-177-158-190.nc.res.rr.com) 16.02.39 # good afternoon 16.03.25 # anybody know if there is a codec speed comparison available somewhere? (speed in rockbox, obviously) 16.03.31 Quit PhoeniXYZ () 16.03.35 # google didn't really answer my question :) 16.03.46 # I don't think we have one (yet) 16.04.04 # hm, i need some proof that flac and musepack are the fastest codecs in rockbox 16.04.10 # but we now have a tool to make one ;) 16.04.24 # (random mpc haters on hydrogenaudio questioning the mpc decoding speed) 16.04.25 # GenjuroXL: That's not a very scientific approach... ;) 16.04.47 # GenjuroXL: we have a tool you can run to test codec speed in rockbox 16.04.54 # i don't even have a portable :) 16.05.09 # also, i do use a scientific approach now and then (studying physics :b) 16.05.17 # FLAC definitely isn't the fastest lossless codec - wav/aiff would be first, then shorten, then FLAC. 16.05.39 # wav and aiff are usually just pcm 16.05.44 # not really lossless compression :) 16.05.48 Join Gursikh [0] (n=khalsa@unaffiliated/gursikh) 16.05.59 # they're lossless, not compression ;-) 16.06.04 # GenjuroXL: I just mean you should be asking which are the fastest codecs, not asking for evidence to support a guess... 16.06.12 # Isn't wavepack faster and better than FLAC? 16.06.16 # linuxstb: that's fine too 16.06.27 # that's why i asked for a comparison table in the first place :) 16.06.50 # simmel: i think they're on par on machines with FPU, no idea about fixed point decoders 16.07.20 # I'd like one of those tables too 16.08.24 # simmel: wavpack compression ratio is definitely better than flac :) 16.08.26 # GenjuroXL: Also, you should be careful to make it clear you're just talking about Rockbox, not the codecs in general. Not all of Rockbox's codecs have had the same level of optimisation effort applied to them. e.g. on ipods, vorbis used to be faster than mp3, but I think with optimisations, mp3 is now faster than vorbis.... 16.08.44 # i remember reading that mpc is the fastest lossy codec in rockbox with speed comparable to flac 16.09.08 # and didn't Buschel submit a speedup patch for mpc decoding the other day? 16.09.38 # Yes, he did. 16.09.53 # linuxstb: actually, mpc doesn't only win in rockbox :) 16.10.02 # simmel, somewhat, but wavpack isn't nearly as widely supported 16.10.02 # it's the fastest in FP mode too 16.10.17 # but that's not relevant here 16.10.19 # :) 16.10.28 # wavpack decoding is definitely slower than flac decoding in rockbox 16.11.44 # scorche: Didn't you want to make a set of codec test files, or was that Soap? 16.12.10 # GenjuroXL: But I'm sure we would all like someone to arrange such a test. How would you compare two codecs though? Same bitrate, or same "quality"? 16.12.22 # amiconn: That was Soap. 16.12.41 # amiconn: But he wasn't happy with his chosen track, so is still (afaik) searching for something better. 16.12.45 # linuxstb, both, ideally 16.13.08 # linuxstb: bitrate shouldn't really matter when it comes to decoding speed 16.13.15 # GenjuroXL: It does 16.13.20 # bigger files, sure 16.13.28 # but isn't that a non-issue? 16.13.32 # "shouldn't really" is not good for scientific comparisions... 16.13.55 # GenjuroXL: Try it yourself - check the decoding speed of 128kbps vs 320kbps with any lossy codec. 16.14.06 # cbr is old 16.14.08 # :) 16.14.19 # i'll compare mpc q5 and q10, ok? 16.14.21 # you'd want to test files with the accepted transparent cd quality of the various codecs 16.14.22 # Yes, but it's a fairer test of decoding speed. 16.15.51 # GenjuroXL: OK, but then also compare two files at the same quality with different bitrates 16.17.45 # bitrate has a large impact 16.17.52 # krazykit No, wavepack is alsmost completley unknown. 16.17.53 # and matters very much 16.18.42 # linuxstb: 328x for q5 and 304x for q7 16.18.49 # GenjuroXL: buschel's patch helps very much, but i'm still haven't decided what i think of trading quality off for speed 16.19.07 # preglow: wonder if it matters in a portable environment 16.19.13 # and we need to decide what stance we have on codecs' output being depedent on target cpu 16.19.20 # GenjuroXL: bitrate? 16.19.20 # i don't like the idea of sacrificing quality for speed either 16.19.38 # preglow: that speed test was on windows on my pc 16.19.41 # bitrates are 16.19.43 # *drumroll* 16.19.46 # GenjuroXL: it does matter, and more than that 16.19.55 # 182 kbps for q5 and 241 kbps for q7 16.20.57 # q7: 1,2614107883817427385892116182573 kbps/1x decoding speed 16.21.11 # 128kbps MP3: 345.93% realtime 16.21.12 # VBR MP3: 180.73% realtime 16.21.14 # like that, for example 16.21.27 # the same will apply for musepack, somewhat 16.21.48 # err, actually no.. calc.exe hates me 16.21.55 # the huffman decoding step is quite intensive 16.22.13 # 0.79 for q7 and 0.56 for q5 16.22.38 # 16.22.52 # preglow: btw, have you tried porting sv8 over to rockbox? 16.23.26 # no 16.23.41 # little time for rockbox as it is, and i'm going to wait with that job until you're done 16.23.47 # :) 16.23.50 # fair enough 16.23.53 # it's not final yet 16.24.00 # indeed 16.24.01 # r2d is working his ass off, though 16.24.12 # sv7->8 converter is nice 16.24.22 # which is good, but the less i have to do, the better, so i'll wait 16.24.36 # once it's done it should be as easy as updating libmpcdec 16.24.50 # it won't be, but it won't be too much work either 16.25.14 # stock libmpcdec wouldn't ever run realtime in rockbox 16.25.18 # s/ever/even/ 16.25.19 # heh 16.25.32 # needs more asm 16.26.08 # depends what target, doesn't need too much on arm, but on coldfire it needs asm and iram usage 16.26.20 # coldfire is that m68k clone, right? 16.26.24 # yea 16.26.34 # amiga500 on steroids :) 16.26.34 # i had quite some fun making it work fast enough on that 16.27.06 # which players use a coldfire? 16.27.07 # there's actually still some potential for speedup, but i can't be bothered when it's as fast as it is on coldfiore 16.27.08 # ipod=arm? 16.27.12 # iaudio/iriver 16.27.14 # oi 16.27.16 # ipod=arm 16.27.26 # sansa too 16.27.28 # and gigabeat 16.27.55 # apple is cheating by using DSPs to decode their stuff :) 16.27.59 # no 16.28.01 # no 16.28.04 # they use the arm 16.28.09 # ipod decodes in software mode? 16.28.14 # that's new :) 16.28.14 # they only use something else for video and audio in videos 16.28.26 # ordinary audio files are decoded on the arm 16.28.31 # interesting 16.28.57 # anywho 16.29.01 # musepack being fast isn't weird 16.29.04 # it's a pretty low complexity codec 16.29.07 # yes 16.29.17 # layer2 with enhancements, more or less 16.29.36 # split signal into subbands, quantize subbands 16.29.38 # given more effort than already put into it, it can be even faster 16.29.42 # compress losslessly 16.30.11 # well, more speed means more battery life, so it might be worth it 16.30.26 # sure, but i stop caring once it reaches a certain point 16.30.31 # which has happened long since for musepack 16.31.00 # i still have to maintain some kind of motivation for doing what i do, and that vanishes if i have to write half the codec in asm, heh 16.31.22 # blame the linux people 16.31.26 Join juxtap [0] (n=juxtap@vc-196-207-45-253.3g.vodacom.co.za) 16.31.31 # older musepack made heavy use of asm 16.31.40 # then people wanted a C version of the lib 16.31.53 # because pure C is the best (tm) 16.31.59 # sure, it is 16.32.01 # but why remove the asm? 16.32.08 # you could use it if applicable for target 16.32.17 # no idea, ask Lefungus and r2d :) 16.32.46 # still wouldn't help us much, though, unless you had arm and coldfire asm 16.33.09 # Anyone know what sort of hard drive connector is used in the H340? 16.33.21 # preglow: which brings us back to giving more of our changes to the original projects 16.33.28 # preglow: we need some oldschool amiga programmers, those people know about m68k asm :) 16.33.49 # markun: i tried that with musepack, met plenty of indifference 16.33.55 # hm 16.33.56 # so i keep them local 16.34.10 # doesn't matter much for me anyway 16.34.18 # true 16.34.30 # indifference probably because decoding speed is more than fast enough on PCs 16.34.45 # sure, i don't harbor i grudge 16.34.56 # asm is a pain in the ass to maintain too 16.35.03 # since few people do it 16.35.12 # preglow: it's only interesting for people who want to use the codecs on similar platforms 16.35.13 # but if the code is factored properly, it's just a case of disabling it 16.35.57 # Just wondered if the MK6008GAH is a suitable replacement drive for an H340 - e.g. https://secure.santechusa.com/advert.asp?id=28805 16.36.28 # preglow: does it have a ZIF connector? 16.36.29 # pondlife: petur replaced his hd in h3xx 16.36.34 # eh, for pondlife 16.36.47 # yes but mine was a 8007 16.36.52 # speex guy seemed interested in our changes, but we have none yet 16.37.01 # hehe 16.37.14 # and the last digit is the revision, so anything above 7 might be a problem 16.37.32 # pondlife: the MK6008GAH has a zif connector that doesn't fit into the h300. you would need to find a MK6006GAH. 16.37.51 # Ah, so what's the connector of the ...06GAH called? 16.38.00 # A different sort of ZIF..? ;) 16.38.17 # ATA or IDE 16.38.31 # they mention ZIF it is ZIF 16.38.37 # Old school notebook ATA then... 16.39.04 # pondlife: but you could make an adapter like described here: http://www.stolltech.ch/iriver.pdf 16.39.07 # * petur finally got through to toshiba's list of disks 16.39.23 # ATA 50 pin, right? 16.39.49 Quit B4gder ("It is time to say MOOO") 16.40.23 # petur: Which drive did you use again? It was a bit pricy for me IIRC... 16.40.38 # 8007 16.41.24 # I no longer find those online now, seems I got one just in time 16.41.42 # So it seems 16.42.30 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp233-68.adsl.forthnet.gr) 16.45.07 # hey XavierGr 16.45.21 # just to let you know, the solution was the low level format 16.45.28 Quit lids (Remote closed the connection) 16.45.55 Join lids [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-6632b4b98384b8f8) 16.45.58 # so is it fixed now? 16.46.03 # yeah 16.46.14 # nice ot hear that 16.46.16 # as it turns out the fw writes to the 0 sector 16.48.07 # so the whole procedure is: low level format/new partition/gigabeat utility format/copying back up folders with rockbox 16.49.34 # pearldiver: I missed the start of your story - what happened to stop your gigabeat working? 16.49.41 Quit markun (Remote closed the connection) 16.49.53 # linuxstb one of the custom builds erased my partition 16.50.32 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-598ef60e9ef8e050) 16.50.42 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54bf48ca.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.50.43 Quit FOAD ("I'll be back") 16.50.57 # so i had to reformat but the normal format didn't help at all, i kept getting system errors at boot up 16.51.24 # I didn't think low-level format tools existed any more... 16.51.48 # http://hddguru.com/ 16.51.57 # (thanks to kkurbjun for that) 16.52.53 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 16.52.54 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.53.35 # query nickserv 16.53.37 # oops 16.53.59 # beats typing in your password by accident mind you 16.54.19 # I never talk to nickserv in a channel window for that reason... 16.54.53 # linuxstb i took my gigabeat apart while at it and the weird thing it started to sound "louder" when i put it back together 16.54.56 # you don't have to talk to him at all 16.54.58 # indeed - I've learnt that lesson the hard way 16.55.02 # the /chanserv alias works just fine 16.55.13 # just use /nickserv, it's the safest (assuming your irc client doesn't convert that to /msg nickserv) 16.55.22 # oops, yeah, /nickserv 16.55.44 # what does it do ? 16.55.48 # well 16.56.03 # basically the same as /msg nickserv blah 16.56.06 # but more secure 16.56.22 # so if I leave off the /, I'll still transmit my password to the channel 16.56.26 # i.e. to identify just use /nickserv identify 16.56.30 # or mistype it in any other way 16.56.38 # GodEater: that's why you're using the server tab for those things 16.56.38 # say with a leading space 16.56.56 # never enter any sensitive data in channel tabs 16.56.58 # :) 16.57.07 # * GodEater shrugs. I prefer a direct communication with nickserv 16.57.25 # the trouble with the webirc client is it changes tab without warning 16.57.33 # oh god, webirc 16.57.49 # ircing from work, are we? :) 16.57.55 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF69A7.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.57.59 # check my mask :) 16.58.05 # yup... 16.58.29 # once I've got the home internet working again I'll be back to Xchat via a tunnel ssh connection 16.58.31 # but till then :) 16.59.46 # tried chatzilla? 17.00.04 # yes. 17.01.46 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 17.04.07 # /nickserv can even be shortened to /ns 17.04.26 # * GodEater writes this down 17.06.16 # GodEater: The web client allows to identify from the aqdvanced login tab. No need to use those /ns messages at all 17.07.53 # I thought that password field was for a secured irc server 17.08.03 # rather than a nickserv password 17.08.59 Join markun [0] (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 17.10.50 Quit krustyclo ("This computer has gone to sleep") 17.12.31 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 17.12.42 Join p3tur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@rockbox/developer/petur) 17.13.00 Quit petur ("changing") 17.13.18 Nick p3tur is now known as petur (i=d4efd6a6@rockbox/developer/petur) 17.14.45 # * petur reads mails and also votes against US based devcon next year 17.15.21 # * GodEater points to http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2007/5/19/231125/871 17.15.29 # (regarding travel to the US) 17.15.37 # made me laugh anyway 17.15.56 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 17.17.27 # * petur remembers arriving in a big US airport and failing to find anybody speaking english to ask directions. no habla espaniol 17.17.43 # petur: which airport was that ? :) 17.18.06 # us -- isn't that the country that treats europeans like gangsters? 17.18.09 # Seattle 17.18.25 Join netmasta10bt [0] (n=torment@pool-72-64-226-231.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) 17.18.30 # I'll take a phrasebook if ever I go to Seattle then 17.18.34 # It'd require I get a new passport 17.18.39 # bluebrother: everyone, not only europeans 17.18.48 # bluebrother, silly youropeens. we americans are xenophobes 17.18.56 # * GodEater has already been fingerprinted and photographed by US immigration :( 17.19.09 # i had to do some weird stuff back in 96 17.19.09 # petur: too bad the meeting video is quite hard to understand because of the sound quality 17.19.12 # fill out questionnaires 17.19.15 # though i got away with being canadian in germany. saved a lot of grief 17.19.23 # "are you planning to commit a crime while in the USA?" 17.19.23 # etc 17.19.31 # whoo, UPS just kicked in 17.19.33 # * bluebrother needs to get a new passport before these stupid germans start with that digital fingerprint thing 17.19.35 # fucking thunderstorm 17.20.06 # "are you planning to commit a crime" -- how stupid is that question? 17.20.09 # anyone speculate on the feasability of a active noise canceling plugin for those targets with mics? 17.20.11 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.20.24 # bluebrother: my thoughts exactly :) 17.20.30 # bluebrother: I know, but the intention was not to record it for archiving purpose. I just had this Idea to let my camera record and then saw it had flat batteries anyway 17.20.31 # i was >< this close to writing "YES!!111" 17.20.39 # and it only does 8kHz mono sound 17.20.50 # GenjuroXL, and you'd never be seen again 17.21.01 # GenjuroXL: then they would have send you back for sure. 17.21.06 # GenjuroXL: don't, because they'll take your word for it and lock you up 17.21.07 # krazykit: we europeans don't hate you 17.21.10 # just your government 17.21.11 # petur: it's nice to have the video around anyway 17.21.13 # and your war on terror 17.21.15 # and your war on drugs 17.21.33 # GenjuroXL, yeah. once we stated that we hated bush too, there was much rejoicing 17.21.45 # one guy said he liked bush, though. 17.21.51 # wonder who will be the next tard after bush 17.21.57 # he was also the one that said to waiters, "ich bin gut" 17.22.10 # * bluebrother isn't keen on going to the US under any circumstance 17.22.11 # stay on topic please 17.22.33 # devcon2008 is a topic :p 17.22.34 # people and country might be nice, but ... 17.22.41 # ok, so you voted for bush, pearldiver :) 17.22.51 # oh-oh 17.22.55 # regardless, getting into the us is a pain 17.23.02 # even as a citizen :-/ 17.23.18 # it was bad enough in 96, can't imagine how bad it must be now 17.23.19 # bbl 17.23.41 # politics is a boring topic, that's all 17.24.04 # shouldn't we first check where the interested people live? 17.24.26 # no matter how long you talk about it, nothing changes 17.24.52 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.25.32 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54bf5a92.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.26.08 # bluebrother: it looked to me like a roughly 50/50 split between western europe and the US, with a smattering of other people from Australia. 17.26.28 # I must take a closer look as Rasher's map :) 17.26.32 Part juxtap 17.27.22 # hahaha - I like his google maps "Updated! will no longer crash your computer!" 17.28.04 # wow - we have a dev living on a boat in the middle of the Indian Ocean 17.28.19 # :) 17.28.44 # I wonder why rashed added that guy 17.29.16 # well you add yourself don't you ? And he's got a disclaimer that says some people might add themselves as devs when they're not. 17.29.47 # imho, he should go over that dev list and clean out all non-devs, way too many blue icons 17.31.04 # hmm - that's odd - I'm apparently a dev on that list, and I'm fairly certain I didn't add myself as one :( 17.31.28 # can anyone look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5495?getfile=13898 ? I'm testing this patch since it's available, and I can't find any side-effect, would be nice to have it in svn 17.31.36 # petur: Maybe he doesn't know all the devs - I'm pretty sure I don't... 17.31.57 # I'd at least restrict to the CREDITS list 17.32.09 # oh wait, maybe that list is so big 17.32.37 # And is "contributors" rather than strictly just developers./ 17.32.45 # (afaik) 17.32.46 # i/j ##mediation 17.33.19 # but I agree we could use a list of devs (with commit access) 17.33.41 # oh, I think I'm in the contributors list 17.33.50 # or CREDITS file or whatever 17.35.10 # petur: 8kHz audio seems to be common for video on digitall still image cameras 17.35.33 # * amiconn 's camera does the same 17.35.45 # if the remote works :p 17.36.08 # It does, if you know that you need to enable the option :P 17.37.17 Quit kubiix (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.41.52 Quit petur ("later") 17.43.02 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.43.22 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54bf5a92.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.46.39 Join a1titude [0] (n=Compaq_A@206-163-245-140.swcr.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) 17.49.23 # linuxstb: ping 17.50.23 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC") 17.54.25 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-202-175.student.uu.se) 17.55.24 Join pSiKO [0] (n=tbox@213.56.158.253) 17.56.13 # Hi, when is the 80gb out of testing, I would like to try it but I'm a little confused on what to patch with the ipod55g-4.diff file, and how to do it. 17.56.58 # amiconn: do you have a build for a1titude to try? 17.57.32 Part warewolf 18.00.06 # anyone tried midi playback on an h10? 18.00.28 # austriancoder: hello 18.02.57 # midi is much too fast on my h10 and I get a mass of "Buffer miss!" errors 18.02.58 # austriancoder: ipod mini is red. 18.03.21 # linuxstb: I dont want to get rid of the mas35xx files.. becuase I will fill them in following commits with some parts of the audiohw_api... e.g. audiohw_set_bass 18.03.26 Join juxtap [0] (n=juxtap@vc-196-207-45-253.3g.vodacom.co.za) 18.03.54 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 18.05.27 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.05.32 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF5D35.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.05.45 Quit The-Compiler ("Connection reseted by god") 18.05.59 # austriancoder: I was only talking about the mas35xx.h file. But my main question was about #including audiohw.h in the codec-specific .h files. Could you do it the other way around (i.e. include the codec .h file from audiohw.h) ? That way, the higher-level parts of the code would only ever need to include audiohw.h. 18.06.28 # linuxstb: after i have fixed the reds :) 18.06.41 # You've committed already? 18.10.31 Join kaalo1 [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 18.10.45 # hmm, do we have a specific policy about (c) adding to files? 18.11.18 # bluebrother: we had some talk about it a while ago. What do you want to know? 18.11.37 # I was just wondering looking at the diff of sound.c 18.11.44 # barrywardell: ever tried midi playback on your h10? 18.12.00 # no, I haven't 18.12.21 Quit kaalo1 (Client Quit) 18.13.04 # austriancoder: btw, why don't you just return foo(); in those sound_set_fn cases? 18.13.56 # bluebrother: I've never seen a written policy, but generally the initial author of the file stays the sole copyright holder. SVN logs tell the rest of the story. 18.14.13 # bluebrother: dont know... 18.14.31 # amicon: Does the 5.5G patch still need testing on other 5G models? 18.15.18 # hmm, maybe we should have a written policy or guidelines for that. 18.15.55 # bluebrother, I suspect in practice copyright is assigned to the project. 18.16.21 Part kaaloo 18.16.26 # Cassandra: AFAIK, it can't - there isn't any legal entity called Rockbox. 18.16.43 # Well, yes. 18.16.46 Join major_works [0] (n=a08e9562@gw01.penton.com) 18.16.58 # Daniel is currently looking into fixing that. 18.18.26 # Although that wouldn't really deal with the copyright issues - we can't force every contributor to sign over copyright in their code, just to license it under the GPL. 18.18.49 # MikeS: Are you about? 18.18.55 # We couldn't even track down every contributor, I suspect. 18.19.13 # At least one is dead, of course. 18.19.30 # yeiks that sounds bad 18.19.30 # Yes. historical code would be impossible. It would be same problem as if we ever wanted to change licenses. 18.20.21 # Would anyone know if the e200 changes that were just committed obviate the need for FS#6908? 18.21.03 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-072-096.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.21.36 # linuxstb: what about copyright rules of different countries. I believe that in germany you cannot sell or give away your 'urheberrecht' 18.21.57 Quit lids (Remote closed the connection) 18.22.34 # I'm pretty sure the Linux kernel managed to get around all of these issues. 18.22.38 # But I forget how. 18.22.55 # Cassandra: something to put on your todo list then :) 18.22.59 # ahh, iTunes won't load, just gets a error report everytime I try 2 start it! haha, the sooner I go to rockbox the better! lol 18.23.19 Join lids [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-b1522fa716d62672) 18.23.29 # a1titude: you are aware that rockbox "sounds like a bag of shit", right? 18.23.48 # huh? 18.23.57 # Golden Quotes are best 18.24.00 # in germany there is a company which owns (at least some) rights on "rockbox" 18.24.02 # it's true, let me look up a link 18.24.18 # * Cassandra still wants a "bag of shit" plush toy with the Rockbox logo on it, like we discussed at Devcon. 18.24.30 # (That didn't make it into the official minutes for some reason.) 18.24.36 # http://www.misticriver.net/archive/index.php/t-28715.html 18.24.41 # * bluebrother likes that idea :) 18.25.08 # :) 18.25.34 # markun: I wasn't aware of that - so another argument against assigning copyright to "Rockbox"... 18.25.36 # Cassandra: we will have to send one to this guy 18.27.38 # linuxstb: well, I wouldn't mind it really 18.28.08 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 18.28.18 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 18.28.23 # ok... 18.28.31 Join daniel2024 [0] (i=d0b4e09e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-10e816bf4f422e0e) 18.28.35 # * austriancoder has fixed everything -> no red builds :) 18.28.44 # AFAIK, no-one has actually re-assigned any copyrights. 18.29.02 # markun: I'm not 100% sure what assigning copyright to someone else implies, but would expect that I would no longer be free to use that code myself (apart from under the license the other party chooses). 18.29.05 # I have to restart my computer in attempt to get itunes back. lol bye 18.29.10 Quit a1titude ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") 18.29.14 # Certainly under UK law the copyright statement at the top of the file isn't legally binding. 18.29.28 # austriancoder: But red deltas, especially on archos :( 18.29.31 # What would anyone want to do that? 18.30.22 # amiconn: I hope to get green deltas with following commits 18.32.08 # btw... was it tested on any Archos? 18.32.25 Quit Gursikh (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.32.56 # I didn't expect the binary size to be any bigger 18.33.26 Quit atsea- (Remote closed the connection) 18.35.39 Join a1titude [0] (n=Compaq_A@206-163-245-140.swcr.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) 18.36.04 # jhMikeS: Did the e200 changes you made earlier eliminate the need for FS#6908? 18.38.30 # major_works: umm...lemme check :) 18.38.37 # with the 80gb ipod do I use the normal ipodpatcher.exe or do I need a modified one? 18.39.11 # major_works: yes, it really should 18.39.32 Quit juxtap (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.39.36 # a1titude: you need a modified bootloader but can use regular patcher afaik 18.40.14 # jhMikeS: OK, bear with me as I'm not too code-savvy... 18.40.17 # * n1s curse the combination of 64 bit linux and realplayer video 18.40.23 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.40.28 Quit n1s ("Leaving.") 18.40.36 # So I should be able to compile a new build with updated SVN and omit that patch? 18.40.43 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF5D35.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.40.58 Join Jeton [0] (n=chatzill@85.30.90.239) 18.41.03 # major_works: clean build, no patch needed 18.41.04 Quit Joely (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.41.25 # jhMikeS: Cool... I'll give it a try and let you know. OK? 18.41.38 # jhMikeS: looks like Toni found the reason for the static? 18.41.58 # major_works: unless all the e200 have entirely different hw it should :) 18.42.12 # I hear you. Thanks! 18.42.13 # Jeton: that's what I was talking about the other day 18.42.20 Quit major_works ("major_works has left the building...") 18.42.41 # so what's muting linein1? 18.43.01 # i'm not familiar with patching and compiling :( 18.43.12 # Jeton: the mute was taken off linein1 to facilitate fm radio experimentation :\ 18.43.48 # imho, it should be part of the fm radio patch but oh well 18.44.29 # so the static will be gone now, with newest build? or until the radio patch is added it will still be there ? 18.47.10 # Cassandra: I would like to see the patch tested some more. Especially I would like to see a speed comparison patched vs. unpatched on a non-80GB video 18.47.49 # I am about to extend test_disk for this, to not only measure large-block read/write speed (which will be almost unaffected), but also file create/open/delete performance 18.48.07 # OK. Let me know when you're done then. 18.48.11 # * amiconn recommends Cassandra using tab completion on nicknames 18.48.26 # I didn't spot your question because you missed an 'n' 18.48.54 # Jeton: I haven't touched that as I didn't add it but ... hmmm 18.49.30 # Yeah. I forget sometimes. 18.49.39 # * jhMikeS should comment it out so zivan56 can just have the patch change it 18.49.40 # What does your nickname come from anyway? 18.50.01 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 18.50.58 # It's a combination of syllables referring both to the Amiga and Star Trek 18.50.58 Quit feisar ("leaving") 18.51.10 # OK. 18.51.33 Join feisar [0] (i=jljhook@83.145.196.178) 18.52.29 # * jhMikeS sees files lacking keywords after 'svn up' 18.52.41 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 18.53.30 Join ender [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.dsl.t-2.net) 18.53.38 Quit netmasta10bt ("[BX] Uh oh... I'm getting a blip on the gaydar. Richard Simons is coming!") 18.53.39 # * Lear notices some really bad (= low contrast) color combinations in the IRC logs. 18.53.44 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 18.54.40 # Wow! BitchX quit lines just get more and more obnoxious, don't they? 18.55.24 # what has the iPod 80GB patch been tested on already? 18.55.45 # i thought people had enough sense to stop using bx by now 18.56.13 # preglow, never underestimate people's abililty to lack good sense. 18.56.54 # * preglow huggles irssi 18.58.34 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 18.58.43 Part a1titude 18.58.45 # * markun too 19.00.04 # speaking of irssi: can someone point me to the docs how I get irssi to kill my ghost on reconnects? 19.00.05 Join major_works [0] (n=a08e9562@gw01.penton.com) 19.00.28 Join Siltaar [0] (n=Siltaar@reverse-52.fdn.fr) 19.00.33 Quit pondlife (""Enough fun had"") 19.00.47 # jhMikeS: OK... so does this newest change break the radio patch? 19.01.29 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 19.03.50 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 19.03.54 # major_works: the one I just did will but you can just take the #if 0/#endif out 19.04.52 # jhMikeS: OK, that's what I'll do. Hopefully, Zivan56 will note the change and do the Line1 muting on his end. 19.05.21 # Or I may omit the radio temporarily. I get a weird heterodyne all the time anyway. 19.05.23 # I don't doubt it'll be updated...not much to do really :) 19.05.53 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.06.07 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54bf793c.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.06.11 # And I can't get his presets to save for some reason. Probably operator error on my end. 19.08.03 # I can't see why it should matter but I haven't looked at that in detail so I don't know 19.08.43 # No problem... thanks for all your help, Mike. Keep up the great work! 19.10.11 Quit major_works ("major_works has left the building...") 19.10.43 Quit ender` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.11.06 # jhMikeS is Mike Sevakis? 19.12.02 # yes 19.12.55 # Mike -- thanks for all the work you've done with the e200 -- it's coming along nicely, and I'm loving my sansa player 19.14.06 # thank Toni1 too, his emulator is a huge help with this stuff 19.15.36 # thank you Toni1 (and everyone else) 19.15.53 Join a1titude [0] (n=Compaq_A@206-163-245-140.swcr.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) 19.16.32 # * jhMikeS says "de nada" 19.20.05 Join kubiixaka [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 19.20.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.22.50 Join major_works [0] (n=a08e9562@gw01.penton.com) 19.25.49 # austriancoder: For me, your FS#7138 is causing compiler errors in sound.h 19.27.38 Join Slowking_Man [0] (i=slow@wikipedia/Slowking-Man) 19.30.01 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.30.17 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54bf4ece.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.31.13 Join pepie34 [0] (n=pepie34@cop60-1-82-240-26-92.fbx.proxad.net) 19.31.53 Quit courtc (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19.35.37 Quit Jeton ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 19.38.01 Join BRi7Xtra [0] (n=BRi7X@c-68-81-211-193.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 19.38.17 Quit kubiix (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.39.04 # hello,, I have this rockbox installed here on a gigabeat f.. I was in class and had a few minutes to kill and I changed the theme. now my screen is completely blacked out. any suggestions? 19.39.27 # bad theme 19.39.48 # perhaps 19.39.54 # could you help me "de-suck" it? 19.40.24 # i posted on the forum, one sec... i'll pull up the post 19.40.31 # you can reset the setting when you press A when booting if I remember, markun can confirm 19.40.43 # so pressing a? 19.40.45 # hold on 19.41.14 # thank you so much, you've saved the day 19.41.37 # i shall remember that from now on, i just have to remember what theme screwed me up 19.41.43 Quit scorche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.42.33 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A9544E.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.47.38 Join perldiver [0] (n=say@cpe-72-225-231-80.nyc.res.rr.com) 19.49.19 Join scorche [0] (i=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 19.51.51 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@pD9EB3CA8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.52.48 # another question for the gigabeat f though, the date doesn't display properly in the theme i use (rockamp)... it says... 19.53.03 # "May dc, 1:MPc" 19.53.22 # BRi7Xtra: that's because the format for the RTC tags has changed 19.53.46 # I have to go now, my class is changing, I'll be back when I get home... until then... 19.53.47 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS#Real_Time_Clock 19.58.33 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3142.gwdg.de) 20.03.10 Quit pearldiver (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.03.17 Part maffe 20.03.33 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 20.04.01 # what capasity is the 80gb ipod battery for the setting in rockbox? 20.04.29 # dont worry about that setting 20.04.42 # ok thanks 20.05.30 # hi there 20.06.07 # i know it's slightly off topic, but has anyone used rythmbox with a Sansa e260 ? 20.13.00 Join david1 [0] (n=david52@84.72.254.113) 20.16.04 Join ]RowaN[ [0] (i=a2b0y@82-43-210-209.cable.ubr10.newm.blueyonder.co.uk) 20.16.20 # <]RowaN[> what filename should i give the mi4 file i copy to my sansa when in recovery mode? 20.17.16 # <]RowaN[> it doesnt say on www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200TroubleShooting 20.18.10 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.20.00 # rockbox on the 80 works amazing... just I can't seem to change the wps! haha :p My fault probably... lol 20.20.09 # so 80gb ipods are good to go as of now? 20.20.38 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.21.01 # <]RowaN[> ah, update.mi4, at least for the 1.03.01H beta firmware i had on there 20.21.11 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 20.22.09 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@38.98.196.75) 20.22.58 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF75E2.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.24.41 # <]RowaN[> someone who can edit the wiki should add that information =] 20.24.42 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 20.24.43 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 20.26.09 Quit major_works ("major_works has left the building...") 20.30.36 Part david1 20.31.27 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.31.46 # anyone know if any of the softwares available for linux to manage ipod or other portable players work for the Sansa e260 ? 20.31.47 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF75E2.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.32.28 Join mots [0] (n=manci@N165P029.adsl.highway.telekom.at) 20.33.01 # hi, i just found my h340's accu-cable again and started charging it 20.33.12 # but the display doesn't seem to work 20.33.22 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.33.42 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF75E2.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.33.56 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 20.33.56 # i can turn the device on, and hear the hdd spinning (i can even mount it as external hdd), but i don't seem to get any other life signs 20.33.59 # any ideas? 20.35.07 Join david1 [0] (n=david52@84.72.254.113) 20.35.12 # charge it some more? 20.35.47 # so it may be an accu-problem? 20.36.11 # accu? 20.36.19 # (the accu never was that empty before and i don't want to lose that quite expensive device) 20.36.21 # well 20.36.26 # no idea how to call it 20.36.33 # battery? 20.36.35 # well 20.37.03 # so, well now to get my libary into a nice, friendly vorbis format! :p Rockbox rocks! lol 20.37.05 # are rechargable batterys still called battery in english? 20.37.36 # yes 20.37.42 # a battery is a battery 20.37.59 # perldiver: 80GB ipod support only exists as a patch at the moment - it isn't in SVN yet. 20.38.00 # ;) 20.38.07 # hehe 20.38.12 # I want to test it on my 80gb 20.38.17 # well, in my native languuage, the term battery is incorrect for rechargable mobile power sources 20.38.18 # but I neeeed to study for my exam tomorrow 20.38.23 # mots: I see;P 20.38.33 # but yeah 20.38.40 # If you just started charging it 20.38.43 # and it was completely dead 20.38.50 # I would let it charge for some time 20.40.30 # amiconn: Is it worth me testing your 80GB patch now, or should I wait for the updated test_disk? 20.40.35 # well, g2g 20.40.38 Part mots 20.41.23 Join toffe82_ [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 20.42.07 # linuxstb: should i test a VBR mp3 too regarding the MPA patches? 20.43.16 # DerPapst: It would be interesting, but your test has already answered the question - that we need to keep that code in IRAM on the PP5002, but we can remove it from the PP502x. 20.43.34 # So only if you're bored... 20.44.03 # well.. not too much ;) 20.44.59 # linuxstb: I am working on test_disk right now 20.45.10 # BTW, I'm working on ipodpatcher at the moment - any requests? I'm removing the check for the MBR magic, replacing it by a check that the first partition is type 0 (empty) and the second is type 0xb (or HFS for a macpod). 20.45.29 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.7.132) 20.45.36 # amiconn: Perfect - I'll carry on with ipodpatcher and the bootloaders, so they're ready to release when your patch is. 20.45.46 # linuxstb: any idea how to get mpegplayer to compile again if that code runs in iram too? 20.45.52 # Why does rockbox use the emergency disk mode? 20.45.59 # Some random but maybe interesting values from a test_disk run on archos recorder: Create: 12 files/s, Open: 16 files/s, Dirscan: 1026 files/s, Delete: 67 files/s 20.46.03 # no usb driver? 20.46.06 # *(on the ipod) 20.46.13 # DerPapst: On which target? 20.46.23 # the ipod 20.46.25 # 3G iPod 20.46.31 # You see, the fat driver is indeed not really fast when it comes to actual file operations 20.46.36 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.46.58 # Btw, the speed test part of test_disk is much inspired by the AMiga program "DiskSpeed" 20.47.34 # a1titude: rockbox has no usb driver for the iPod. so if you want to sync your ipod you either have to use diskmode or the OF 20.47.50 # DerPapst: We just need to disable those IRAM optimisations for mpegplayer - the build system now compiles libmad separately for the main codec and mpegplayer, so that's straightforward. 20.48.14 # DerPapst: ahh, thanks 20.49.22 # linuxstb: so moving mpegplayer out of iram means that it runs even slower than it does already now on 3Gs? 20.50.39 Join Buschel [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3E84F.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.53.28 Quit Thundercloud_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.53.34 # DerPapst: Yes... But mpegplayer isn't really suited for greyscale LCDs - it should eventually get replaced by a port of the greyscale video player in Rockbox. 20.53.43 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.7.132) 20.54.57 # linuxstb: ok 20.55.42 Join patrick__ [0] (n=patrick@ip70-179-112-48.dc.dc.cox.net) 20.57.17 # * patrick__ waves 20.57.21 # hello 20.57.42 # * DerPapst waves back 20.58.17 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.58.51 # I installed rockbox on my 30GB iPod Photo about an hour ago, and so far it seems to work rather nice....I only have one question that I hope can be sorted out here 21.00.39 # my question pertains to the themes available for download. I have tried several themes, but I will just use Ajant Blue as an example. After installing the theme, disconnecting the iPod and then choosing the theme in rockbox....it doesnt come out looking anything like the screenshot 21.00.48 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Connection timed out) 21.00.55 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-202-175.student.uu.se) 21.01.14 # patrick__: The theme is probably out of date - the theme parser became more strict recently, and not all themes are compliant. 21.01.14 # after fiddling around, I believe it has something to do with the wps folder, but I can't seem to dig up any explanation for it 21.01.26 # ah 21.01.31 # that would make sense 21.01.58 # Someone else mentioned a problem with Ajant Blue last week. 21.02.43 Part ]RowaN[ 21.02.44 Join ctaf [0] (n=ctaf@ram94-6-82-242-23-70.fbx.proxad.net) 21.02.51 # * linuxstb finds a silly bug in the ipod bootloader 21.02.52 Join krush1704 [0] (n=andikrus@p57BB1790.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.03.03 # patrick__: Another possible problem is that you might not have installed the font pack 21.03.06 # so there's probably not much that can be done aside from waiting for the themes author to update it 21.03.41 Part ctaf 21.04.12 # amiconn: I installed the fonts from the zip I downloaded from rockboxes website 21.04.39 # Ok 21.04.52 # Just wanted to make sure... it's a common mistake 21.04.58 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF7B27.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.04.59 Part david1 21.05.03 # though it seems several themes come with empty font folders 21.05.24 # np, all solutions are welcome ^^ 21.05.34 # the Ajant theme has quite a lot of code errors - I tried to help the guy last weak and found at least 2 of them but it still didn't work for him, so he dropped it 21.05.41 # *week 21.06.19 # are there any graphical themes you know of that I might attempt to get working on the latest build of rockbox? 21.06.52 Part a1titude 21.07.43 # Anyone else use cover art aggregator and have problems with it just randomly stop working? 21.07.44 Quit pepie34 ("Ex-Chat") 21.08.12 # as in, its retrieving a cover, and it just sits there with its wheels spinning? 21.08.43 # Bagder - I think my build server's working now 21.09.34 # Builds are compiling now 21.15.37 Join zivan56 [0] (n=not@64.46.2.61.novuscom.net) 21.18.42 # aha, found a nice theme that works (JBlackGlass) 21.19.22 # now I can have slick looks with all my .ogg files ^^ 21.19.44 # I'm really glad I decided to give rockbox a go 21.20.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.21.15 Join Rincewind [0] (i=TVQv4pb3@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 21.22.33 # i already asked but im going to ask again, does anyone know what happened to the BlackGlass theme for the gigabeat? 21.23.15 # maybe it got deleted due to copyright violation 21.23.32 # did it show the windoes logo or any other logos? 21.23.35 # hey guys 21.23.39 # *windows 21.23.51 # it says that i have to talk to the staff in #rockbox 21.23.58 # about write wiki rights 21.24.14 # DerPapst well all other BlackGlasse's stayed 21.24.24 # perldiver: Check the history of the page - if it was removed by Cassandra within the last few days, then it was most likely a copyright issue. 21.24.42 # linuxstb again, all other BlackGlasses ports stayed 21.25.10 # perldiver: Was it removed by Cassandra in the last few days? 21.25.35 # linuxstb the thing is, it never was on the wiki page, only rockbox-themes one 21.25.57 # Ah, so you're asking why it was removed from rockbox-themes.org? 21.26.35 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc5-brig8-0-0-cust142.brig.cable.ntl.com) 21.26.35 # it sort of dissappeared and yes, i wonder why 21.26.41 Quit GenjuroXL () 21.28.11 # perldiver: BlackGlass is still on rockbox-themes.org... 21.28.33 # ?! 21.28.38 # *goes to check again* 21.29.11 # oh! 21.29.15 Join Thundercloud__ [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.7.132) 21.29.21 # i swear it wasnt there yesterday 21.29.35 # Maybe the site was being reorganised or something... 21.30.54 # * DerPapst thinks there some pretty ugly wps'es availabe... 21.31.00 # hehe 21.31.18 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.31.38 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF7B27.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.33.14 # * n1s discovers ctrl-shift-T in firefox... :-) 21.34.11 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@81.168.46.139) 21.34.13 # iGoogle? ftw? 21.34.51 # why does everyone put an "i" inform of their app/product? 21.35.23 # hey i think we should rename RockBox to "iRockBox" ... duh 21.35.27 # because it's cool!11!!!11! 21.35.37 # iBOX of course... 21.35.45 # heh 21.36.09 # DerPapst: what's iGoogle? 21.36.10 Join perpleXa [0] (i=perpleXa@unaffiliated/perplexa) 21.37.16 # never mind, I found it 21.37.56 # i jClix is still the most original WPS 21.37.59 # think* 21.38.28 # i tried it on gigabeat with the rotation patch 21.38.43 # its quite impressive 21.39.08 # rotation patch? 21.39.33 # phkTAPE WPS is fun too 21.39.53 # DerPapst yes, there's a rotation patch for gigabeat that lets you use it in the landscape mode 21.41.04 # ah.. that kind of rotation :) 21.41.25 # markun you should try the resume patch 21.41.50 # is it a patch to the flash? 21.41.53 # the player boots in 1,5 seconds with it 21.42.11 # that's really good! 21.42.40 Quit Thundercloud_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.42.48 # i dont think its flash 21.42.58 # some sort of "boot ram" rather 21.43.10 # it's flash 21.43.25 # ah ok 21.43.26 # hm, maybe I should first check it out :) 21.43.32 # before I make a fool of myself :) 21.43.36 # hehe 21.43.40 # DerPapst: are you from eastern germany? 21.43.47 # i think the author describes it on FS 21.44.06 # markun also now you dont have to press power to restart 21.44.17 # you can restart from debug 21.44.26 # good 21.44.32 # and it remember the last orientation used if you use the rotation patch for example 21.44.35 # quite handy 21.44.42 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 21.45.07 # and of course you can switch orientations without actually turning the player off 21.45.14 # so all in all its great 21.45.26 # pixelma: berlin ;) 21.46.08 Quit perpleXa ("leaving") 21.46.56 # DerPapst: maybe have a look at the Mixtape theme for IpodVideo then (on rockbox-themes.org) if that tells you something ;) 21.47.14 # could someone point me in the right direction to get album art showing on rockbox? (the theme I'm using supports it) 21.47.16 Quit Thundercloud__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.47.36 Join entheh [0] (n=purr@88-106-254-230.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 21.48.06 # patrick__: you need an unofficial patched build, look in the unsupported build ssection of the forum 21.48.45 # perldiver: you were right, you don't need to change the flash bootloader 21.49.20 # patrick__: you should have a look at the AlbumArt wiki page too 21.49.23 # n1s: I'm using the prebuilt rockbox-jbuild, is that it or is it something specific to album art I should look for? 21.49.54 # So I need to figure out what cool new stuff rockbox has added over the past 6-9 months. I've not had a chance to use it since then. 21.50.16 # pixelma: do you mean the manufacturer of the tape? 21.50.17 # quite a few things have happened during that period 21.50.25 # markun good :P 21.50.37 # Bagder: like what? 21.50.49 # perldiver: maybe I can start to commit small parts of that patch 21.50.50 # see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges 21.50.54 # patrick__: well, if it has the album art patch applied it should work, but as pixelma said look at that wiki page, and search the forums, we cannot support these builds 21.51.04 # Bagder: thanks 21.51.21 # jessh just updating the ondio build on the player itself takes ages to be copied 21.51.29 # alright thanks, glancing over the album art wiki now 21.51.48 Part maffe 21.52.01 # more than 5 minutes already 21.52.02 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 21.52.06 # DerPapst: sure 21.52.08 # FYI, the newest installer of the bootloader, is freaking awesome. 21.52.19 # I ran it on windows, and its sooo much less painful than it used to be. 21.52.55 # godzirra: linuxstb finally caved in after too many whining users ;-) 21.53.11 # he sure is weak that guy 21.53.13 # :-) 21.53.55 Join chrisjs169|brb [0] (n=chrisjs1@pool-71-114-131-29.hrbgpa.dsl-w.verizon.net) 21.54.22 # lol 21.54.26 # Its amazingly nie and simple. 21.54.29 # *nice 21.54.29 Quit zivan56 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.54.53 # pixelma: ehh. then i guess i'm a but to young ;) (still born in the glory DDR but while listening to Traumzauberbaum & Co never checkt who produced the tabes) 21.54.54 Quit chrisjs169 (Nick collision from services.) 21.54.57 # *tapes 21.55.00 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p5496693F.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.55.02 Nick chrisjs169|brb is now known as chrisjs169 (n=chrisjs1@pool-71-114-131-29.hrbgpa.dsl-w.verizon.net) 21.55.11 Join jack_ [0] (n=jack@pool-71-114-131-29.hrbgpa.dsl-w.verizon.net) 21.55.13 # *checked 21.55.59 Join zivan56 [0] (n=not@64.46.2.61.novuscom.net) 21.56.29 # * Bagder makes the buildmaster cleanup on the build server after build + transfer 21.56.43 # should reduce the amount of necessary disk space 21.57.21 Join juxtap [0] (n=juxtap@vc-196-207-45-253.3g.vodacom.co.za) 21.58.34 # Bagder: thanks :) 21.59.07 # and for the curious minds, I'll also commit the buildmaster.pl script 22.00.06 # http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/www/tools/buildmaster.pl?view=markup 22.00.20 Join krush [0] (n=andikrus@p57BB1790.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.00.28 Part krush 22.00.30 Join krush [0] (n=andikrus@p57BB1790.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.01.21 Part krush 22.02.33 # amiconn: do you remember the combo to start my ondio from disk and not from flash? 22.02.50 # Left while power on 22.03.13 # But why not just rolo the new build? Did you mess up the flashed version? 22.04.05 # I just upgraded to a new build, but I get that plugins are incompatible, so I assume that the player boots from flash and can't find the compatible plugins which were replaced by the new ones 22.04.22 # Sure 22.04.37 # A simple rolo should fix that, followed by flashing the new .ucl afterwards 22.04.53 # ah yes 22.04.54 Join towlieban [0] (n=mflecher@pool-71-160-105-247.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 22.05.17 # Rockbox on archos always boots from flash by default if it's flashed, that's the whole point: faster boot 22.05.29 # yes that's what I thought 22.05.35 # I just forgot about the rolo function 22.05.57 # if i use the database feature to load my itunes database, is it possible to play music that is drm crippled ? 22.06.16 # towlieban: no 22.06.28 # not with rockbox at least 22.06.37 # you can still boot up in apple os and play those 22.06.45 # oh that sucks... 22.07.00 # yes, tell that to Apple 22.07.19 # well if its true they might start selling drm free music soon 22.08.03 Join krush [0] (n=andikrus@p57BB1790.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.10.36 Quit patrick__ (Client Quit) 22.10.58 # you could always buy music elsewhere :) 22.12.14 # * petur only buys on CD 22.12.31 # yep completely 100% drm free 22.12.38 # can be added to any mp3 player 22.12.53 # and keep the CD as backup ;) 22.13.15 # yea 22.13.16 # petur: What about "copy protected" CDs? 22.13.22 # * amiconn avoids them by all means 22.13.26 # theres few of those 22.13.42 # and rip them in whatever format you want 22.13.45 # they can be ripped too. 22.13.52 # lot of them. 22.13.57 # I copy protected CD's with CloneCD to a CDRW which then rips fine ;) 22.14.01 # do those copy protected cds work on a mac as far as the copy protection goes 22.14.16 # I know, but then they ought to be avoided 22.14.21 # agree 22.14.34 Join Hansmaulwurf [0] (n=maerlyn@p5081b5a2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.14.35 # most labels stopped selling them anyway 22.15.23 # yea 22.15.37 # after all that crap that sony got for their rootkit infected cds 22.15.55 Join Gabriel10000 [0] (n=rehabofb@89.240.221.189) 22.17.10 Quit krush1704 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.18.01 Part krush 22.18.03 Join krush [0] (n=andikrus@p57BB1790.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.18.51 Join RogerBacon [0] (n=RogerBac@bas3-sherbrooke40-1177839781.dsl.bell.ca) 22.18.53 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 22.19.05 # hmm, I managed to implement the algorithm for the sansa fm tuner and now it tunes to receive perfect audio...but the frequency set has nothing to do with the actual frequency it tunes to 22.19.29 # hey guys! I wrote a plugin. Does somebody wants to help me to verify this one? What do I have to do to provide it to the rockbox-project? 22.19.44 # krush: what kind of plugin did you write? 22.19.48 # a game 22.20.07 Part Gabriel10000 22.20.40 # krush: can you upload it to our patch tracker? 22.20.54 Join Gabriel10000 [0] (n=rehabofb@89.240.221.189) 22.20.56 # what do I have to do? how? 22.21.06 Join pixelma_ [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 22.21.16 Join courtc [0] (n=court@c-71-199-169-45.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 22.21.29 # hi, does anyone know where i can get the rockbox devkit by cyborg 22.21.33 # the link seems to be broken 22.21.45 # why would you want that? 22.21.56 # it is outdates since a few years ago, iirc 22.21.59 # outdated 22.22.21 # o, is there any development kit that is more current i could use? 22.22.29 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.22.45 # except the monty pythons clip, is there any more rockbox devcon files we can view/listen? 22.22.55 # Gabriel10000: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment 22.23.05 # thanks 22.23.06 # or http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform 22.23.21 # XavierGr: my pics are online too 22.23.26 # XavierGr: the 10 minute meeting clip and pics 22.23.33 # but no other movies / soundfiles 22.24.05 # are 30GB ipod videos supported by rockboz ? 22.24.18 # towlieban: yes 22.24.25 # I can also post my scrobbler.log - my h380 was attached to the soundsystem most of the time (except at the end where Monty Python came) ;) 22.25.11 # Wow. 22.25.24 # File creation on H300 is even slower than on archos recorder :| 22.25.35 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.164.ptr.us.xo.net) 22.25.39 # petur: links please? 22.26.09 # or where I can find them? 22.26.16 # of the pics? the devcon2007 page 22.26.47 # http://users.telenet.be/petur/devcon2007/ 22.27.04 # and the audio stream? 22.27.14 # warning - features nudity ;) 22.27.28 # :-) 22.27.30 # audio stream? 22.27.34 Part Gabriel10000 22.27.37 # sorry for all the red in the build table :( 22.27.37 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.27.59 Join Gabriel10000 [0] (n=rehabofb@89.240.221.189) 22.28.01 # lots of it 22.28.03 Part Gabriel10000 22.28.09 Join Gabriel10000 [0] (n=rehabofb@89.240.221.189) 22.28.10 # gah I meant 10 minute clip, sorry 22.28.12 Part Gabriel10000 22.28.16 Quit Buschel () 22.28.21 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 22.28.28 # XavierGr: http://www.dailymotion.com/peturbox/RockBox for all videos 22.28.35 # all three 22.28.53 # thank you 22.29.20 # * XavierGr sits back and enjoys the show 22.30.58 # * petur hands out some popcorn 22.32.48 # too bad I cant understand most of it :\ 22.32.49 Join a1titude [0] (n=Compaq_A@206-163-245-140.swcr.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) 22.33.24 Quit pixelma (Nick collision from services.) 22.33.25 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 22.33.35 # it wasn't meant to be a log of the meeting, just give an idea how it went 22.34.02 # sorry I picked a rather dull subject too 22.34.28 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.35.14 # no worries, it seems rather interesting, it is just that that audio quality is low and can't make what you are talking about in many parts 22.36.30 # whoo... the midi plugin misses its buffers ^^ 22.36.52 # * pixelma should have kept her about 60min wav-file she recorded on her Ondio... 22.37.07 # when? 22.37.24 Quit jack_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.37.25 # after the wavrecord plugin commit on saturday evening 22.37.45 # but for some stupid reason I deleted it afterwards 22.37.48 # you recorded through a mic? 22.37.59 # nah - just internal 22.38.07 # but still... 22.38.26 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.164.ptr.us.xo.net) 22.38.59 # * DerPapst is enjoying a lightshow... 22.39.13 # small thunderstorm :) 22.39.33 # not a faulty backlight driver? 22.39.48 # Bagder: putting the various www scripts in the SVN repos is a great idea :) 22.39.58 # maybe someday I'll try to understand them 22.40.04 # :-) 22.40.17 # at least people _can_ read them and help out with them now, if wanted 22.40.22 Quit Hansmaulwurf ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )") 22.40.38 # petur: http://web.inf.tu-dresden.de/~s5242253/Lightning.JPG 22.40.46 # I intend to put more (most?) of my web scripts there over time 22.40.59 # petur: I deleted it because it wasn't really understandable in the beginning (especially when someone spoke who wasn't near enough) - but maybe there would've been useful parts 22.41.08 # haha petur and markun eating, but I have to say that the food seems to be low in quantity :P 22.41.09 # DerPapst: you made that... now? 22.41.27 # petur: yep. :) 22.41.39 # not now. about a week ago 22.42.02 # XavierGr: yes, but it was enough and very good 22.42.23 # * petur agrees 22.42.25 # yeah seems of high quality 22.42.28 # toghether with about 25 other pics containing a big black nothing. 22.42.45 Join z0de [0] (n=no@80-194-233-59.cable.ubr01.enfi.blueyonder.co.uk) 22.43.10 # * DerPapst is doing some stupid typos today... 22.45.00 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 22.45.00 # heh.. the midiplugin crashed my 'pod 22.45.06 # long exposure solves that! :p 22.45.31 # *(the 25 black photos) 22.46.03 # i think 16 seconds should do the trick 22.46.42 # depending on the intensity of the storm, you would think so! :) 22.49.09 # Bagder: there's something about anonymous contributors I'm wondering about and that isn't mentioned in the wiki page: taking code from an anonymous contributor under one's responsability and committing it 22.49.52 # we generally don't like that either 22.49.53 # did you discuss that at devcon ? does the policy have something to say on that ? 22.49.54 # ok 22.50.15 # if the code piece/change is small, then we can consider it fair use 22.50.19 # well I don't see a problem if the anonymous contributor is ok with that 22.50.19 # petur: did you post the devcon scrobbler file already (and me missed that?) 22.50.44 # XavierGr: if we would be ok with that, we could just as well allow anonymous contributions 22.50.58 # I just asked if I should post the scrobbler log 22.51.01 # linuxstb: I've just committed the extended test_disk stuff 22.51.09 # well some contributors don't like to just "dontae" the code under a different name 22.51.24 # I'd be interested in that playlist ;-) 22.51.30 # XavierGr: yes, so we don't accept their code 22.51.53 # Bagder: then maybe adding something about it in the various pages about contributing would be good 22.51.57 # Bagder: ok but what about those that are willing to just pretend that the commiter coded it? 22.52.27 # Nico_P: that we should, yes 22.52.49 # XavierGr: as I said, that too is not what we want 22.52.50 # * Nico_P is changing the FlySprayHowTo page 22.53.15 # Bagder: but that's what I understand from the wiki 22.53.25 # then we should fix the wiki 22.53.32 # where does it say that? 22.53.32 # that adoptions are okay if the original author accepts it 22.53.37 # hm let me see 22.54.10 # why dont you allow anonymous contributors anyhow? 22.54.28 # ah it was a suggestion on the Devcon wiki page 22.54.54 # * amiconn notices that the build table images now have width and height properties :) 22.55.05 Quit juxtap (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.55.22 # yeah, but not for all pics on that page 22.55.26 # yet 22.55.38 # Bagder: under the agenda: real-name policy: find a way to deal with anonymous code (suggestion: by allowing a committer to adopt it if the writer accepts this)real-name policy: find a way to deal with anonymous code (suggestion: by allowing a committer to adopt it if the writer accepts this)real-name policy: find a way to deal with anonymous code (suggestion: by allowing a committer to adopt it if the writer accepts this) 22.55.46 # oops sorry about that :\ 22.55.57 # "suggestion" being the keyword 22.56.04 # yeah I noticed that now 22.56.52 # and really, very many larger projects these days reject anonymous contributions 22.57.00 # so its not like we are unique or anything 22.57.16 # whats the reasoning behind rejecting them 22.57.29 # i dont see how it hurts anything? 22.57.31 # well again, I thought that the problem arised with people that did want to take credit 22.58.03 # badsheepy: two reasons: we want the project to be by real people with real names 22.58.15 # but if the commiter adopts it as his code then there is no anonymosity 22.58.18 Quit a1titude ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") 22.58.18 # and there's possibly a legal angle to it, but that is the lesser reason 22.58.27 # XavierGr: yes there is 22.58.42 # well not practically at least 22.58.58 # we loop the discussion now 22.59.22 # but okay I won't argue about it, I just think it would be a shame when some really usefull snippet is rejected 22.59.43 # well, that's very rare 22.59.47 # indeed 23.00.22 Quit daniel2024 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23.00.43 # XavierGr: http://users.telenet.be/petur/devcon2007/devcon_scrobbler.log (many songs are from recordings of belgian bands I made and wanted to share with the others 23.00.46 # perhaps made rarer by the unwillingness of people who want to remain anonymous to do anything when they know it wont be accepted? 23.01.01 # of course 23.01.31 # XavierGr: have you watched the google video "How to protect your open source project from poisonous people"? 23.01.40 # they also talk a bit about the contribution issue 23.01.46 # Bagder: well I guess that if someone doesn't want credit then he could simply make up a fake name... 23.01.50 # besides, it's quite interesting anyway 23.02.00 # bluebrother: no I will have a look 23.02.04 # a link was posted a couple of days ago 23.02.19 # petur: thanks 23.02.36 # ouch... file write speed with 512 byte chunks is indeed s-l-o-w on 80GB/G5.5 with the simple write through cache 23.02.48 # 23KB/s 23.02.59 # amiconn: I'm just about to test now... 23.04.07 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 23.04.16 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.164.ptr.us.xo.net) 23.05.48 # Hmm, dircache speeds up file opening a lot (roughly 15x on H340), but slows down file creation and deletion by ~15% 23.07.10 # With SVN at 30MHz, Create: 22 files/s, Open: 39 files/s, Dirscan: 4472 files/s, Delete: 57 files/s, Create (512,A): 2857KB/s, Write (512,A): 3036 KB/s, Read (512,A): 1513 KB/s, Create (512,U): 2868 KB/s, Write (512,U): 3034 KB/s, Read (512,U): 1555 KB/s, Create (4096,A): 4762 KB/s, Write (4096,A): 5060 KB/s, Read (4096,A): 2129 KB/s, Create (4096,U): 4758 KB/s, Write (4096,U): 5056 KB/s, Read (4096,U): 2109 KB/s, .... 23.07.13 Quit entheh ("^~") 23.07.21 # amiconn: How many tests are there? ;) 23.08.39 # 4 tests for directory manipulation, and file create/write/read for 3 different block sizes, aligned and unaligned 23.08.39 Quit zivan56 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.08.43 # 1MB,A: C=5160, W=5479, R=2192. 1MB,U: C=5145, W=5485, R=2177 23.09.08 # You could just put up the log file somewhere... 23.09.20 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 23.09.22 # Now you tell me there's a log file ;) 23.09.35 # The commit msg states that... 23.09.51 # I didn't read it - I just saw your msg to me... 23.10.11 # hmm, using 32 bit l/r iis transfers might be cool on ipods too 23.10.34 # amiconn: Does the log file get overwritten? 23.10.43 # nope 23.10.51 # It uses create_numbered_filename() 23.11.13 # OK. Do you want the 75MHz version as well? 23.11.19 # Nah 23.11.32 # A test with the patch applied would be more interesting 23.11.34 # So I'll do the same with your 80GB patch? 23.11.48 # * amiconn notices linuxstb has dircache disabled 23.12.25 # * linuxstb looks over his shoulder 23.13.15 # :-) 23.15.17 # First figures coming in... Create: 21 files/s, Open; 39 files/s Dirscan 4430 files/s, delete 48 files/s 23.17.35 # Looking good... there shouldn't be significant deviations from the first test 23.17.44 Quit towlieban () 23.19.05 Join juxtap [0] (n=juxtap@vc-196-207-45-253.3g.vodacom.co.za) 23.20.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.20.22 # amiconn: logfiles here - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/test_disk_log_01.txt (and 02). 01 is SVN, 02 is with your patch. 23.21.27 # Almost no change in read speed, a small drop in write/create. 23.22.00 # Looking really good 23.22.38 # The values are very similar to what I get on the G5.5/80, except for creating and writing in 512 byte blocks 23.22.41 # BTW, this was ipod55g-4.diff, hopefully that's the latest. 23.23.00 # It is, except for a missing sanity check in ata_init() 23.24.10 # The write through cache seems to be too simple a solution :( 23.24.17 Join donutman25 [0] (n=chatzill@24.244.160.233) 23.26.22 # amiconn: Do you need anything else from my ipod? 23.26.50 # Nope. Thanks for testing :) 23.27.00 Quit petur ("Zzzzz") 23.27.25 # You're welcome. Are you planning to commit tonight? 23.28.06 # Not sure yet. I'll try a few more things regarding more compact and/or faster code 23.28.21 # First thing is a single sector cache instead of 2 23.28.41 # Maybe it's just constant seeking that hits performance here 23.29.13 # ~2MB/sec on an "ordinary" video vs. 23KB/sec on the 80GB is a shame 23.29.31 Join PaulJam [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3021.gwdg.de) 23.30.19 # All these changes won't influence other targets or even other G5s 23.31.10 # Your test was for verifying that this statement holds, and that the additional condition checks don't hit performance too much 23.32.09 Join zivan56 [0] (n=not@64.46.2.61.novuscom.net) 23.35.49 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.38.13 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.164.ptr.us.xo.net) 23.41.37 Join sgarrity [0] (n=sgarrity@blk-215-89-106.eastlink.ca) 23.42.39 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@166-220-055-174.mobile.mymmode.com) 23.43.25 # ipodcatcher is telling me "[ERR] No ipods found, aborting", though the iPod (4Gb iPod Nano) is mounted at /media/iPod - I'm using Fedora Core 6. Any ideas? 23.43.40 # running as root doesn't change anything 23.43.58 # sgarrity: I think it wants it unmounted 23.44.16 # or am I possibly just tired? 23.44.16 # Bagder: ah! I'll try that 23.44.59 # I think it does need to be unmounted for linux users, yes 23.45.01 # Bagder: no, that didn't change anything 23.45.12 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 23.45.21 # sgarrity: Have you ever: Repartitioned the Device, installed Linux, used another Filesystem on it? 23.45.22 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.164.ptr.us.xo.net) 23.45.55 # Llorean: it's a used device, so I can't be certain - but I don't think so 23.46.40 # sgarrity: you could try to build ipodpatcher from svn, a fix for this was comitted today 23.46.49 # Unless they've uploaded the newest version of ipodpatcher, the current version looks for some magic information as part of determining if a device is an ipod 23.47.00 # Attempts at manually repartitioning it can destroy that information. 23.47.25 # so trying the latest version from SVN is worth a shot? 23.47.29 # sgarrity: also, your nano isn't second generation, is it? 23.47.37 # n1s: I think so, yeah 23.48.25 # well, rockbox does not support second gen nanos... 23.48.26 Quit PaulJam_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.48.38 Join hannesd_ [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 23.48.46 # it's a second gen Mini 23.49.03 # oh, I see... 23.49.11 # Mini and Nano are two different things. 23.49.13 # Sorry for wasting your time - thanks for the help. 23.49.13 # ah, but second gen min will work 23.49.13 # 2g mini should work fine 23.49.52 # ok, so I'm good. 23.50.15 # http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61688 how to identify your ipod 23.51.10 # yeah, it's the iPod mini (4 GB Second Generation) - which seems to be supported 23.51.23 # yep, that is supported 23.51.40 Quit chrisjs169 ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 23.51.40 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.51.56 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.164.ptr.us.xo.net) 23.52.34 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 23.52.56 Part TrueJournals 23.53.46 # does the ipodcatcher source live in the same repo as the rest of rockbox? 23.54.17 # Yes, under "rbutil/ipodpatcher/" 23.54.52 Join Llorea1 [0] (n=Llorean@166.132.140.152) 23.55.06 Quit Llorean (Nick collision from services.) 23.55.12 Nick Llorea1 is now known as Llorean (n=Llorean@166.132.140.152) 23.55.43 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 23.55.49 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.164.ptr.us.xo.net) 23.56.34 Quit zivan56 (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.56.41 # Llorean: Apart from users getting just an Apple logo (and no errors) which I've fixed, do you know of any other ipod bootloader problems? When amiconn commits his 80GB patch to SVN, I'll take the opportunity to release a new set. 23.58.34 Quit krush (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.58.36 # Wow, the apple fw takes ages to boot 23.58.38 # linuxstb: It doesn't reboot to apple when Rockbox.ipod isn't present. 23.58.47 # I'm not sure if it's supposed to any more. 23.58.51 Join krush1704 [0] (n=andikrus@p57BB1790.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 23.58.53 # * amiconn first thought it hung 23.58.57 # Llorean: Yes, so users know rockbox.ipod isn't present...