--- Log for 23.05.107 Server: pratchett.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 3 days and 18 hours ago 00.00.09 # What ever happened with the people who had the bootloader freezing if USB was plugged in? 00.00.41 Part krush1704 00.01.04 # I've never seen a report of that. 00.01.35 # linuxstb: Ah, the bootloader not unhiding the messages when something failed was a bug... 00.01.57 # * linuxstb looks away 00.01.59 # * amiconn got that when experimenting on the 80; flipping hold then unhid the messages 00.02.12 # I seem to recall some users having difficulty getting past the bootloader if USB was inserted, but I could be confused. 00.02.16 # I've never experienced it. 00.02.38 # I've had problems with Rockbox itself freezing when USB is plugged in immediately. Maybe it's the same. 00.02.49 Quit z35 (Remote closed the connection) 00.02.55 # Possibly 00.03.02 # But those are the only issues I know of regarding the bootloader 00.04.15 # building ipodcatcher from SVN did give me something: http://utils.eurion.net/pastebin/index.php?41780 (pastebin isn't working for me right now) 00.04.18 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 00.04.28 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.164.ptr.us.xo.net) 00.04.37 # but shouldn't that have given me the option to install? 00.04.53 Quit hannesd (Connection timed out) 00.04.59 # sgarrity: You need to follow the instructions at the top of the Makefile to compile ipodpatcher with the bootloaders 00.05.22 # Or I could just upload a build for you... 00.05.52 Quit Rincewind ("Cya") 00.06.01 # linuxstb: ah, yes - I'll try that. 00.06.14 # If you want it - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher.gz 00.06.49 # linuxstb: here's a report of bootloade rcrashing http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6844 00.07.05 Quit hannesd_ (Client Quit) 00.07.45 # linuxstb: Your build worked for me. Thank you. 00.07.45 # n1s: That sounds like Rockbox itself crashing before updating the LCD - I can't think why/how the bootloader could crash, as it doesn't do anything with USB. 00.08.03 Join elfeshurikn [0] (n=Miranda@lit75-1-81-57-239-103.fbx.proxad.net) 00.08.06 # sgarrity: You're welcome - thanks for testing ;) 00.08.48 # hi everybody 00.08.53 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3021.gwdg.de) 00.09.15 # linuxstb: ah ok, I'll make the usual "Does this still happend?" comment and close it in two weeks then :-) 00.09.27 Join z0de0 [0] (i=z0de@80-194-233-59.cable.ubr01.enfi.blueyonder.co.uk) 00.10.20 # I have some questions about the 5.5G ipod 80go 00.10.33 # shoot 00.10.35 # could someone help me ? 00.10.40 # shoot 00.11.03 Join atsea- [0] (i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-53d0ef8702ae9f2a) 00.11.58 # hmmmm.... 00.12.00 # I path and compile rockbo, but I don't know how to put the bootloader 00.12.17 # Now there is a nasty problem with a write-back sector cache 00.12.21 # Use ipodpatcher - run "ipodpatcher - bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod" 00.12.31 # I meant "ipodpatcher -a bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod" 00.12.46 # What should the driver do when the delayed cache flush fails? 00.12.58 # ok thks you 00.13.17 Join a1titude [0] (n=Compaq_A@206-163-245-140.swcr.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) 00.13.24 # I mean, if it flushes during normal operation, i.e. when the cache is needed for a different sector, there is no problem 00.13.47 # But what if flushing the last dirty sector after a timeout fails? 00.15.27 # I'm successfully running Rockbox - thanks for the help everyone. 00.15.27 Quit Siltaar (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.15.38 Quit spiorf (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00.15.49 # a final question: how do I reboot the iPod now that it does have rockbox installed? Select+Menu doesn't seem to do it. 00.16.05 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 00.16.08 # cancel that - it did do it. 00.16.10 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 00.16.17 # Menu+Select still works, that's a hardware feature, but you shouldn't use it. 00.16.31 # It's like the Reset button on old PCs, not necessarily the best way to go about things. 00.16.33 # is there a software way to rebott? 00.16.36 # Hold Play/Pause to shut down. 00.16.49 Join mpeccorini [0] (n=mpeccori@mail1.theargusgroup.us) 00.16.57 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00.17.39 Quit ompaul ("sleep 8 hours or so") 00.20.57 # Hmm, write-back doesn' 00.21.04 # t help much either :( 00.21.10 # is the throbber animation in RockBox from Firefox? 00.22.26 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 00.22.29 Quit z0de (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.22.55 # Throbber animation? 00.23.09 # the circle of dots while paused 00.23.28 # oh, I see it's the volume indicator too 00.23.41 # Ah, in a specific theme. 00.24.43 # jhMikeS: ping 00.25.15 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host82-218-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 00.25.27 Quit Slowking_Man (Connection timed out) 00.27.56 # Llorean: I assume he means in iCatcher 00.28.02 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m180.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 00.28.08 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF4F47.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.28.15 # Nico_P: Yeah, I didn't realize I wasn't using the default theme 00.28.19 # I noticed it only a few days ago 00.35.10 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00.35.36 Join webguest93 [0] (i=98a36482@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d1c9bd741d39909c) 00.36.20 Quit webguest93 (Client Quit) 00.40.34 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 00.41.57 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 00.46.02 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@71-10-1-92.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) 00.48.50 Join Gursikh [0] (n=khalsa@unaffiliated/gursikh) 00.50.12 Quit sgarrity (Remote closed the connection) 00.52.16 Quit RogerBacon ("Quitte") 00.53.38 Quit ender (" It could have been worse. Imagine you were trying to download pr0n and you end up with some naruto ep.") 00.53.40 Quit a1titude ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") 00.58.56 Quit robin0800 (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!") 00.59.18 Join webguest16 [0] (i=1847df8c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-33a6b0c1c0bdb32f) 00.59.50 # i have an iriver H10 6Gb can i have the link for this version of rockbox 00.59.57 Quit borisyeltsin (Remote closed the connection) 01.00.21 # zxc 01.00.21 # webguest16: See the manual. 01.00.23 # i have an iriver H10 6Gb can i have the link for this version of rockbox 01.00.39 # ut theres only one for 5gb 01.00.43 # Please don't spam the channel with repeated requests, especially when you've been answered. 01.00.45 # but* 01.00.50 # webguest16: and 20gb 01.00.59 # but i have 6gb 01.01.05 # The 5gb and 6gb are the same hardware. 01.01.10 # wut do i use for that? 01.01.12 # ok 01.01.34 # so i use the same as the 5gb 01.01.39 # how? 01.02.09 # how do i use 01.02.09 # http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h10_5gb/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 01.02.10 # See the manual. 01.02.22 # THANKS!! 01.02.26 # Seriously, you need to read the manual before you install, so that you can be sure to do it right 01.02.32 # is there any chance of bricking 01.03.02 # and what version do i need? 01.03.05 # I believe that if you don't follow the directions correctly, you can leave your device in a state that's hard to recover from, but not bricked. 01.03.14 # What version of what? 01.03.30 # firmware 01.03.32 # webguest16: just download the lastest version 01.03.38 # 'current build' 01.03.50 # i meen REAL firmware 01.04.06 # Rockbox is "Real" 01.04.16 # like from iriver 01.04.23 # ^^ 01.04.23 # It is not imaginary. 01.04.24 # As for the firmware on your player, Rockbox doesn't care about that. 01.04.36 # ok so i can do it on any firmware 01.04.36 # Rockbox is not a patch or modification of that firmware, it's its own software entirely 01.04.57 # Llorean: wow, that manual is pretty confusing 01.05.15 # so i can do it on any iriver firmware that is made by iriver tho rite? 01.05.33 # Llorean: the part about the iriver bootloader which ends with "It is already installed on your player, so it is never necessary to modify this in order to install Rockbox" 01.05.55 # ok im just used to hacking psps 01.06.33 # were do i get the software? 01.06.36 Join Spikey818 [0] (i=3f6dd783@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c1a39cecc412f84a) 01.06.47 # link me 01.06.51 # webguest16: the links are in the manual 01.06.53 # webguest16: Llorean already told you. 01.06.56 # webguest16: Please, read the manual 01.06.58 # were? 01.07.10 # webguest16: the link I gave you 01.07.10 # At the website? 01.07.12 # "2 Installation" 01.07.18 # ok thanks 01.07.20 # Hi guys, I have a question regarding Rockbox working with Headunits that are Ipod ready 01.07.23 Part webguest16 01.07.48 # * DerPapst wonders what a headunit is 01.07.50 # if I have a car head unit that is ipod read, will i still be able to control my ipod from the head unit's controls? 01.08.02 # a head unit is like the stereo unit for your car 01.08.12 # markun: Yes, perhaps the part about the flash bootloader could be clarified somewhat. 01.08.16 # for example, I have a pioneer DEH-780 01.08.24 # Spikey818: No 01.08.32 # Rockbox does not support the Apple Accessory Protocol, which that would require 01.08.36 # Spikey818: i guess that talks to the iPods serial 01.08.45 # yeah, i see 01.08.53 # what Llorean says 01.08.57 # and there are no plugins available that you could use to support it? 01.09.11 # No. 01.09.19 # Nobody who has one has done the work. 01.09.55 # I would love to do the work but i know nothing about programming 01.10.15 # i wouldn't know where to start 01.10.22 Quit mpeccorini ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 01.10.36 # even if you can program.. you have to reserve engenier the protocol first 01.10.43 # Llorean: does the serial interface itself work? 01.11.05 # Overand: Not in Rockbox, though I believe there's some code for it for earlier iPods from iPL that can be used as a starting point for those models. 01.11.08 Join z35 [0] (n=z@adsl-226-228-161.dab.bellsouth.net) 01.11.11 # interesting 01.11.28 # i know it works for some iPod at iPodLinux (3G only?) 01.11.39 # G3 and earlier afaik 01.11.43 # what works for ipodLinux 01.11.47 # I don't have any iPod accessories - i should get my step-brother and his digital oscilloscope to start looking at it 01.11.47 # I got a G3 ipod 01.12.06 Join zivan56 [0] (n=not@64.46.2.61.novuscom.net) 01.12.10 # well if there's code that supports it, it should be portable to rockbox, if it's not too spaghetti'd in 01.12.13 # so if I have a 3G ipod, I can use Rockbox with my Interface? 01.12.18 # amiconn: right 01.12.45 # Spikey818: that feature isn't included in rockbox. 01.12.47 # Spikey818: you won't be able to use the interface with rockbox as rockbox stands 01.13.12 # personally, if i were you, i'd go the rockbox route vs. the iPL route - head unit controls are nice, but I use rockbox on my iPod in the car all the time 01.13.29 # of course my head unit has a line in - i don't know if you'd be able to use the *audio* part of that interface 01.13.37 # Spikey818: and you still have to reserve engineer it though 01.16.51 # good night everyone. 01.17.03 Quit DerPapst ("So Long And Thanks For All The Fish!") 01.17.41 # hrrrrrrm 01.17.51 # That's alright I guess...I have 2 ipods anyways 01.18.04 # There is a firmware for the 3G Ipod right? 01.18.24 # I got the $40gb that costed $500 when it was released 01.18.48 # I know there's firmware for the 3G, I don't know how well it works 01.18.53 # the regulars here would know better than me 01.19.00 # I've got a 5G (60 gig video) and it works *very* well. 01.19.15 # I don't use it in 'ipod' mode except for a few DRMd videos I paid for on iTunes, and for faster file transfers 01.19.26 # Spikey818: rockbox for the 3G is in a pretty undeveloped state and cannot play regular mp3s realtime yet 01.19.45 # flac and maybe wv lossless should work though 01.20.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.20.57 # I thought it could play some MP3s realtime, depending on bitrate 01.21.08 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 01.21.23 # new sansa tuner patch is up, this should greatly improve sound quality and properly center on the stations (or very close to it)... 01.22.01 # Llorean: maybe the lower bitrates play, also tomal posted some patch that could help speed it up if it gets comitted... 01.22.20 # n1s: Some work still needs to be done on that to keep it from breaking mpegplayer, I believe 01.23.26 # ah, yeah, I didn't look into the details (as I don't have a target that it will affect and about 20 mp3s totally) :-) 01.23.55 # I really need to try the iFP port at some point, and see just how little it runs. 01.24.05 # * Llorean would like to test_codec on it, just to see 01.24.51 Join a1titude [0] (n=Compaq_A@206-163-245-140.swcr.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) 01.26.23 # austriancoder: gnip 01.26.40 # A quick question about the 80GB ipod patch, My prefered codec choice is vorbis, but I was wondering if rockbox with the patch is useable for general use before its realeased into the svn, or should I wait for it to be final before useing rockbox? 01.26.54 # jhMikeS: I already got it my self :) audiohw_caps.h 01.28.34 # that can work but what about two targets using the same audio hw but different crystals? they won't nescessarily have the same samplerates available. 01.28.45 Quit Febs ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 01.30.00 # jhMikeS: I use audiohw_caps.h at the moment only to see if chip can do bass and treble in hardware... nothing connected with samplerates 01.30.04 # a1titude: the patch has some bugs and amiconn is working on it, use it if you wish but it _could_ potentially wreck your filesystem... 01.30.22 # thanks n1s 01.30.32 # sorry, i'm at work right now, that's why my attention was away 01.30.37 # austiancoder: that makes sense when something is strictly stuck to the codec chip, yes 01.30.37 # brb 01.31.07 # n1s: thanks thats the answer I was looking for... I'll hold fire for now then! 01.31.28 Part n1s 01.31.49 # I'm think about how to properly handle the as3514 which covers a lot of ground that normally multiple chips cover and it's sort of being handled as if it were all separated. 01.32.10 Quit XavierGr () 01.33.46 # FYI you can set LINE_IN1_R/L to 0x30 in the init and you shouldn't have buzzing, but it is more than enough for radio 01.34.21 Part toffe82_ 01.35.08 Quit barrywardell (Remote closed the connection) 01.35.38 # Llorean: DerPapst did some tests with tomal's mp3 patch on the 3g - with the patch applied, a 192kbps MP3 file plays at 154% realtime - which I think should be more than enough for smooth playback. The same mp3 was 118% without the patch. 01.36.42 # oh yeah, btw: why is there a recording option in the rockbox menu in the 80GB ipod? 01.37.35 # linuxstb: Yeah, 154% realtime is about what some of my MP3s tested on my Nano, if I recall 01.37.50 # a1titude: Because it should be able to record from the line in on the dock? 01.41.29 Quit Spikey818 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.42.16 Join DerPapst551 [0] (n=DerPapst@pD9EB3CA8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 01.42.26 Nick DerPapst551 is now known as DerPapst (n=DerPapst@pD9EB3CA8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 01.43.02 # Llorean: you're sure 5G iPods can record through line in? 01.43.12 # Llorean: ahh, I didn't know the dock did that, I've never seen one. 01.43.19 # DerPapst: Yes, I've done it. 01.43.19 # I said "should be able to" not "can" 01.43.27 # * Llorean wasn't sure 01.43.41 # ohh.. 01.43.51 # austriancoder: is there a reason for having 'extern' before the audiohw_* function definitions? 01.43.52 # seems like i missed that feature :D 01.44.05 # * DerPapst has no doc :( 01.44.09 # *dock 01.44.28 # markun: i will check this before commiting... and next part takes some time to code 01.45.24 # DerPapst: Well, I think generally it's just done by custom adapter for the dock port 01.45.24 # I actually don't think the "real" dock has a line in 01.45.59 # yep.. looking at the pinout on the iPL wiki 01.47.17 # DerPapst: The ipod recording code still needs more work though - not all features are implemented (e.g. gain control) and playback doesn't work after recording. So if you're looking for something to do.... 01.47.20 # zivan56: enabling/disabling those line will be done through the input muxing anyway so if radio is off, the lines will be muted as it should 01.49.14 # at least as soon as recording get put in anyway 01.49.14 # linuxstb: you're overestimating my coding skills a tiny bit ;) 01.50.35 # jhMikeS: ok, for now I just removed the if 0 from the patch 01.50.42 # I mean svn 01.50.52 # zivan56: is okay 01.50.52 # anyways.. good night at all (this time for real ;) ) 01.50.55 Nick Caliban_ is now known as Caliban (n=ianmacd@kwark.caliban.org) 01.51.03 Quit DerPapst ("So Long And Thanks For All The Fish!") 01.52.58 # overall, this radio is annoying, the only reason it was chosen was probably due to its size, since half of it is software based 01.53.36 # and it only has 2-3 readable registers, and 20 or so write only ones 01.55.24 # austriancoder: when will you start on GSoC? 01.55.34 # thursday 01.57.31 Join prefetch [0] (n=chatzill@71-223-100-92.phnx.qwest.net) 01.58.13 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 01.58.45 Quit TrueJournals (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.59.04 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 01.59.22 # austriancoder: which player(s) do you have? petur made some progress with USB on his H380 01.59.47 # markun: sansa and access to a x5 02.00.03 # austriancoder: Will your focus be USB host mode, or disk mode? 02.00.30 Part a1titude 02.01.07 # linuxstb: first goal is to get usb device working.. in general it should be an easy to extand usb stack.. so that usb host should be possible 02.01.43 Join gromit`` [0] (n=gromit@ras75-5-82-234-244-69.fbx.proxad.net) 02.02.22 Quit PaulJam_ (".") 02.02.25 Quit gromit` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.05.33 Quit lids (Remote closed the connection) 02.06.14 Join lids [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-b980619a072f089b) 02.12.42 # linuxstb: up for checking the 16-16 pair FIFO writes on any iPods? I'd love to get rid of the shifting from the FIQ for all those. 02.13.12 Part pixelma 02.15.40 Join saratoga [0] (i=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-749aaf4c0febb5df) 02.16.00 # is it typical for flash memory to require a sector erase before programming data? 02.17.58 Part elfeshurikn 02.18.45 # austriancoder: you're working on the Sansa primarily for your GSOC project? 02.19.13 # saratoga: yes 02.19.34 # good, i get mine in a few days, and I'm looking forward to having USB :) 02.22.15 # The Sansa's just about at the same level as iPods now for usability, I think. 02.23.46 Quit juxtap (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.23.58 Join Slowking_Man [0] (i=slow@wikipedia/Slowking-Man) 02.23.59 # * jhMikeS hopes to surpass that in short (in pp time) order :) 02.24.09 # Llorean: any idea what the leading cause of "screen meltdown" is on the Sansa? Happens quite a bit while playing plugin games... is it the plugins, the utility APIs, the core "os", or the device drivers? Just seeing where I can start to pitch in. 02.24.37 # I've never experienced it myself, but I only use the Sansa for music. 02.24.47 # Right now, I keep trying to convince myself to fix the button layout. 02.24.59 # Llorean: thats good to know 02.25.04 # probably a line not set correectly when a data write occurs 02.25.11 # Now that someone else has done the Gigabeat for me, I should actually pitch in and bring the Sansa into line. 02.25.18 # do we have a battery runtime page setup for the sansa? 02.25.29 # The fact that there's a separate button for the context menu, and that the Power button brings up the main menu drives me nuts. 02.25.47 # saratoga: I don't think so. 02.25.57 # hmm 02.26.02 # makes sense to have the menu key bring up menus, yes 02.26.04 # anyone know what the runtime is like then? 02.27.14 # jhMikeS: Basically, I want to make the power button "Stop", the bottom button "Menu" on short, and the center button do the Context Menu on long. Much more similar to other players. 02.27.30 # The current button layout feels kinda like a "Well, we've got all these buttons, let's start assigning things..." 02.28.55 # The OF sort of does it as is done now though 02.29.26 # Yeah, but that's not a good reason to do it that way 02.29.26 # Context menu is long-select on almost every device, for example 02.29.44 # The goal is to sort of make Rockbox feel like Rockbox no matter which player you have in-hand 02.29.53 # having the down button == "Menu" is fine, if the scroll wheel is enabled everywhere 02.30.01 # true...I get used to the different layouts too quickly :P 02.30.08 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 02.30.15 # I find it confusing as in some contexts down == down and in other down == menu 02.30.22 # jurrie_: In situations like Jewels it may not be. 02.30.31 # true 02.30.36 # But within the context of non-plugins, the wheel should always be Up/Down 02.30.41 Join webguest36 [0] (i=44c54ff4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-63bd68015c1237fa) 02.30.47 # one place where the scrollwheel should be enabled is bubbles 02.31.07 # aim & shoot with one finger 02.31.10 Nick jurrie_ is now known as jurrie (n=jurrie@adsl-068-209-041-021.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) 02.31.22 # jhMikeS: I'm used to them, as long as I keep using it, but each time I put it down for a couple weeks it trips me up, and I'd really like to have Rockbox have semi-standard controls. 02.31.27 # * jhMikeS enabled it for spacerocks 02.31.42 # yup.... works well there 02.31.55 # then gigabeat should change too imo 02.32.25 # hi i'm trying to install rockbox on a 4g ipod and whenever i try to unzip the build file a message comes up that says cannot create folder G:/ 02.32.26 # about the screen corruption bug on teh 1.1 sansas, since I'm guess i'll get a 1.1, is it bad enough that it would hinder testing on the Sansa? 02.34.24 # * jhMikeS isn't clear about what any other corruption is besides meltdown...some line on the screen or something? 02.34.40 # IIRC it just affects the first couple of lines on the LCD 02.35.27 # then that shouldn't be a problem for me 02.35.28 # http://www.dalcomp.net/sansa/IMG_9337c.JPG 02.36.23 # jhMikeS: when I say "meltdown", I'm talking about the whole screen fading to white 02.37.06 # yes, I get that one but the line thing...I feel like I know, but have no way to probe it :\ 02.37.06 # jhMikeS: jep the whole screen 02.37.08 # looks like an invalid pointer dereference 02.37.59 # no idea if that is "standard operating procedure" when rockbox detects a crash, or if a null pointer dereference causes Sansa's screen controller to go whacko 02.37.59 # I think it tranfers the image bottom to top...it could also be a buffer alignment problem 02.38.10 # webguest36: Is your iPod located at G: ? 02.38.19 # yes 02.38.23 # interestingly enough, when you play video, the corrupt pixels are on the side: http://www.dalcomp.net/sansa/IMG_9339.JPG 02.38.39 # webguest36: What are you using to unzip? 02.38.45 # I know what the actual driver chip is well enough and has documentation 02.38.48 # winRAR 02.39.28 # Hmmm... I don't know then... are you dragging and dropping or what? 02.40.28 # i just click extract to, choose the file path and then click ok, then after several seconds the error message comes up 02.40.40 # ummm...to me the player just looks upside down 02.41.06 # webguest36: That's very weird... try browsing to G: and make sure you can see files 02.41.10 # my "meltdowns" are similar to what happens to the screen when RockBox's bootloader loads the OF 02.41.25 # actually when i open it nothing comes up 02.41.44 # webguest36: That's the problem... reconnect your iPod and it should work fine 02.41.48 # yes, mine too...I think it loses the write data mode somehow for a second 02.41.53 # ok 02.41.56 # thanks 02.42.38 # The framebuffer might need a larger alignment to work correctly...that's a guess I can't check. Mine only requires 4-byte alignment to work. 02.42.41 # jhMikeS: so you're saying that it's just an LCD controller interface issue, and that the RockBox software continues to function normally? 02.42.53 # it does, yes 02.43.01 # ahhhh 02.43.14 # you'd think others would experience this as well 02.43.42 # i reconnected it and it doesn't show up in my computer now 02.43.54 # Did you make sure to reconnect it in disk mode? 02.43.55 # other do...in fact, I didn't know anyone didn't :) 02.44.04 # yes its in disk mode 02.44.19 # :-) 02.44.32 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@24-117-195-16.cpe.cableone.net) 02.44.37 # ##windows 02.44.39 # webguest36: Well, sorry, I don't know then... maybe someone else will... 02.44.45 # ok thanks anyway 02.44.49 # er, gomen. program is screwy here... 02.45.17 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 02.45.42 Join digerati1338 [0] (n=Mike@70-59-40-106.hlrn.qwest.net) 02.46.50 # If I'm getting a SVN failed to add file error is it most likely because of a patch? 02.51.39 # zivan56: you could try changing the align attribute on lcd_driver_framebuffer from 16 to successive multiples of 352 and see if that cures it. it's the first thing I'd try myself. 02.52.07 # jhMikeS: I don't have a v1.1 player 02.52.16 # I just found those picture on the rockbox forum 02.52.40 # I believe one dev does though... 02.53.01 # oh...I just assumed. Perhaps I'll post there then. 02.54.13 # so any comments about the sansa radio patch? It's getting annoying syncing it to SVN since it encompasses a bunch of files, I am pretty much stuck at this current method of tuning 02.54.57 # I don't know of that way that was mention before to set the audio source, I am guessing someone already worked it out 02.56.22 # zivan56: I plan on trying it out soon...I was just obsessed with figuring out the I2S issue :) 02.56.34 # wild.... playing bubbles on the Sansa as we speak... screen image just jumped down 1/3 of the way for about 1.5 seconds, then jumped back to normal 02.56.36 # ah, well its definitely a more important one 02.57.07 # (i2s issue) 02.57.16 Quit lost|X40 ("Leaving") 02.57.59 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=lostnihi@ppp-68-251-68-11.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) 02.57.59 # now just fm/mic recording and the sansa should be quite usable :) 02.58.04 # jurrie: yep, that happens a lot too 02.58.31 # and now a "meltdown" 02.58.37 # is a "svn: failed to add file" error because of a patch, and if so how do I know which patch is causing it 02.59.10 # I've never seen that error, what command had you issued to get that error? 02.59.16 # svn up? 02.59.16 # * jhMikeS has to figure out exactly what those clock divider numbers mean to be able to have as many standard samplerate for recording as possible 02.59.17 # svn update 02.59.18 # OK, so what can I do to help remedy that stuff?.... don't have a build environment set up (yet)... 02.59.34 # and you have enough free space? 02.59.41 # yes 02.59.50 # no wacky file permissions on one of the directories? 03.00.06 # jhMikeS: I don't mind looking at code to find whacky stuff (been doing that for 20 some odd years) 03.00.07 # more specifically, it says, "object of same name already exists" 03.00.43 # so I'm guessing a patch I applied created the file and then the file was committed 03.00.48 # * Soap always reverts before updating... 03.00.48 Part Llorean 03.01.10 # how do you revert? just run patchname -R"? 03.01.40 # jhMikeS: from the sounds of it, you're guessing it's a frame buffer alignment issue.... particular doc/spec to check? Particular driver/API-set to cross reference? 03.01.43 # "svn revert -R ." from your rockbox directory, IIRC 03.01.50 # jurrie: by all means ... I've got to figure out why GPIO interrupts refuse to enable which seems not obviously at all atm 03.01.52 # soap: ty 03.02.09 # revert -R = recursively. .=starting here 03.02.47 # jurrie: nope, it's gonna be due to the pp5024 DMA controller requirements if it's that. The lcd driver chip won't care as it's port based. 03.02.55 # jhMikeS: is the Sansa behaving so much different in this regard than other Portal-based players? 03.03.33 # it's LCD operation is more like the Gigabeat and afaik not at all like how others operate 03.03.48 # lucky us :-) 03.04.12 Join testdasi [0] (i=46899ac7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ed7f8e8374708469) 03.05.07 # jhMikeS: Ok copied the chat msgs... time for me to scoot... will start to get my feet wet 03.05.49 # later...good luck finding something...I feel it's simple somehow 03.05.55 # I am trying to write a patch to prevent the sansa e200 to refresh its database every time it reboot. I think it is in the "if (disable_rebuild)" of main-pp.c 03.06.39 # I reverted my source and I am still getting the same error: "svn: failed to ad file 'firmware/export/audiohw.h': object of the same name already exists" 03.06.55 # I tried removing the if (disable_rebuild) but it still does not work 03.09.05 Part TrueJournals 03.09.25 # anyone has any idea how to make it work? I tried to compile the bootloader separately but it goes straight into rockbox when pressing << (i.e. it does not boot into the original firmware) 03.09.28 Quit webguest36 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03.10.29 # testdasi: let me take a quick look at main-pp.c. I might be able to help. 03.13.11 Join Daishi [0] (n=daishi@ool-18be2884.dyn.optonline.net) 03.14.31 # testdasi: try commenting everything in the if(disable_rebuild) block. I'm not sure but it looks like that block is actually building the database. 03.14.33 # digerati1338: thanks 03.15.59 Quit austriancoder ("Kopete 0.12.4 : http://kopete.kde.org") 03.18.05 Join zobo [0] (n=obo@CPE002078c67dd3-CM0011ae015168.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 03.18.40 Part zobo ("Ex-Chat") 03.18.51 Join f00f [0] (n=obo@CPE002078c67dd3-CM0011ae015168.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 03.20.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.28.21 Quit zivan56 () 03.37.17 Join TheGooman [0] (i=4107cea9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4d41e3c2bce65fde) 03.37.39 Quit testdasi ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 03.38.37 Join Hammer89 [0] (n=soc_inte@host-24-149-166-187.patmedia.net) 03.38.55 Part Hammer89 03.45.42 Part hcs 03.46.35 # Hey, My name is Gustavo Lang and I've just registered in the TWiki. As directed, I'm introducing myself and requesting writing permissions. 03.47.49 Join |unfug| [0] (n=unf@74-128-190-5.dhcp.insightbb.com) 03.48.26 # <|unfug|> anyone have any luck install rockbox on an 80gb ipod with the new patch? 03.50.26 Join Brunellus [0] (n=luigi@unaffiliated/brunellus) 03.50.36 Part Brunellus ("Ex-Chat") 03.51.22 # TheGooman: I should be able to help you with that. Give me a minute. 03.51.34 # Sure thing, thanks. 03.53.07 # TheGooman: OK you should be all set. 03.53.30 # Alright, thanks 04.00.33 Join ivan` [0] (i=ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001) 04.00.50 Join webguest46 [0] (i=81d79561@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a691ff229910671c) 04.01.50 Quit webguest46 (Client Quit) 04.06.46 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 04.08.39 Join major_works [0] (n=a08e9562@gw01.penton.com) 04.09.02 Quit |unfug| (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.09.36 Quit major_works (Client Quit) 04.14.55 Join KOReHt [0] (n=xtremelo@cpe-70-125-146-141.satx.res.rr.com) 04.15.01 # Hello 04.15.24 # Anyone available to help me? 04.15.46 # yeah 04.15.49 Quit Slowking_Man ("I have the heart of a child——in a jar on my desk.") 04.16.32 # ko 04.16.41 # im trying to install ipod linux 04.16.50 # and im at the part where im typing commands in cmd 04.16.50 # -> #ipodlinux 04.16.54 # Oh 04.16.54 # ok 04.16.55 # sorry 04.16.57 # :) 04.16.59 # wrong irc channel 04.17.10 # try /join #ipodlinux 04.17.13 # thanks 04.17.39 # :-P 04.18.51 # no one responding.lol. do u think u can help?.. it's probably really easy to answer. 04.19.58 # possibly. I don't own an ipod though, but may be able to offer advice 04.20.28 # lol.ok 04.20.38 # do u know anything about ipod linux? 04.20.50 # i've heard of it 04.21.02 # yeah..you cant help me..but thanks :P 04.21.17 # I can't help you unless you ask a question 04.21.18 # KOReHt: stop asking about IPL in here 04.21.33 # sorry..just no one answering on other channel 04.21.42 # so?...this is #rockbox 04.24.08 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 04.25.40 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@166-220-046-192.mobile.mymmode.com) 04.27.44 Part TrueJournals 04.32.11 Join |unfug| [0] (n=unf@74-128-190-5.dhcp.insightbb.com) 04.33.39 # <|unfug|> i'm trying to install rockbox on my 80gb ipod with the new patch, ipodpatcher runs successfully, but after i reboot the ipod it just hangs with the black background with the silver apple logo 04.35.05 # This usually means that you have not installed a properly patched bootloader 04.35.28 # Since current bootloaders actually show text when they error, it sounds like you may have installed the bootloader built into ipodpatcher 04.36.20 Part digerati1338 04.38.03 # <|unfug|> k, that's probably it, thanks 04.39.54 Join a1titude [0] (n=Compaq_A@206-163-245-140.swcr.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) 04.49.06 Quit scorche (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.49.24 Join scorche [0] (i=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 04.49.40 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@c-71-205-145-105.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 04.51.46 Quit a1titude ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") 04.54.24 Quit Alonea ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007040314]") 04.57.30 Join eatnumber1 [0] (n=eatnumbe@miyazaki.csh.rit.edu) 05.02.02 Quit KOReHt () 05.06.39 Join Joely [0] (n=joel@adsl-71-147-42-12.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) 05.14.13 Quit jhulst (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 05.15.18 Quit donutman25 ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 05.20.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.25.12 Join a1titude [0] (n=Compaq_A@206-163-245-140.swcr.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) 05.26.09 Quit TheGooman ("CGI:IRC") 05.27.55 Quit a1titude (Client Quit) 05.28.11 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@c-71-205-145-105.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 05.31.11 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 05.31.17 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 05.38.18 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 05.43.33 Quit RaRe ("Quit msgs should be longer.") 05.43.37 Quit f00f (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.43.38 Quit leebenningfield ("Leaving") 05.44.03 Join f00f [0] (n=obo@CPE002078c67dd3-CM0011ae015168.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 05.46.15 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 05.46.21 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 05.48.45 Quit jhulst (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.50.33 Join Llorea1 [0] (n=Llorean@166.216.99.75) 05.55.44 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@c-71-205-0-132.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 05.56.30 Join ManaSama [0] (n=lozt_cau@adsl-67-127-184-212.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) 05.56.36 # hey can someone hellp me 05.57.01 # i installed rockbox to my video 60 gig ipod and imake a backround it works fine ive done this before n had it all working but got a new one cuz it got stolen 05.57.29 # so i also made a backround for wen its "playing" a song.....i have get the backround to show up it is just showing the main back round 05.57.33 # someone help plz 05.58.54 Quit f00f (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.59.13 Join f00f [0] (n=obo@CPE002078c67dd3-CM0011ae015168.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 05.59.39 Quit Llorean (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 06.01.07 Quit Daishi ("Client exiting...") 06.10.48 Join webguest61 [0] (i=ca5c5af0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-fb245fd8ea417151) 06.11.50 Quit webguest61 (Client Quit) 06.11.58 Join webguest27 [0] (i=ca5c5af0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5c8b21ff88d6dde1) 06.13.34 Quit webguest27 (Client Quit) 06.14.02 Join Brunellus [0] (n=luigi@unaffiliated/brunellus) 06.14.26 # i installed rockbox to my video 60 gig ipod and imake a backround it works fine ive done this before n had it all working but got a new one cuz it got stolen 06.14.33 # someone help plz 06.15.07 # What is wrong? 06.16.16 Part Brunellus ("Ex-Chat") 06.17.41 # wen i play a song 06.17.50 # the theme i downloaded and installed doesnt switch over to the playing screen 06.18.00 # it stayed with the backdrop the entire time 06.18.04 # stays 06.18.34 # So the playing screen's backdrop doesn't change? 06.19.07 # yes 06.19.14 # That's expected. 06.19.17 # it stayed with the backdrop and doesnt go to the playing screen 06.19.35 # What stayed with the backdrop? That sentence doesn't make sense. 06.19.59 # the backround picture doesnt change to the now playing screen 06.20.03 # wen i play a song 06.20.19 # it stayes with the main backround 06.20.24 # Ah I see. 06.20.28 Join jhulst_ [0] (n=jhulst@c-71-205-0-132.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 06.20.33 # u know what i can do? 06.20.44 # Does the WPS have a backdrop? 06.21.08 # yes 06.21.13 # its the Black Glass one 06.21.20 # theres a file 06.21.23 # bg 06.21.24 # If you just load the WPS, will the backdrop change, or do you have to load the whole theme? 06.21.46 # i go to settings>brows themes 06.21.56 # then black glass and it loads 06.22.05 # but wen i play a song it doesnt change to the now playing screen 06.22.09 # Not themes. Go to Settings -> Display -> Browse WPS 06.22.27 # hmm ok lemme try 06.22.28 # Select BlackGlass and see if it changes the backdrop 06.23.40 Quit eatnumber1 ("Leaving") 06.24.44 # nope 06.25.32 Join zivan56 [0] (n=not@64.46.2.61.novuscom.net) 06.25.36 # it shows the backdrop 06.25.46 # Well, it looks like the theme sets the backdrop, not the WPS. If you want to have one backdrop for the WPS and another for the main browser, you should edit the WPS so that it changes the background 06.25.50 # but wen i play a song it does NOT go to the "now playing" new backround 06.26.00 # cuz wen u play a song it shows a different backround 06.27.26 # ?? do u knwo what is wrong? 06.27.33 # I just told you what was wrong... 06.27.51 # u did? 06.27.54 # can u tell me again? 06.28.07 # this is wierd cuz i had is all perfecxt on my last ipod and now its all wierd 06.28.14 # Well, it looks like the theme sets the backdrop, not the WPS. If you want to have one backdrop for the WPS and another for the main browser, you should edit the WPS so that it changes the background 06.28.36 # yea.... 06.28.43 # there r 2 totally different ones 06.29.01 # the backdrop and the playing pixcture r different 06.29.12 # I know. 06.29.18 # You need to edit the WPS file. 06.29.22 # hmm 06.29.23 # ok 06.29.32 # can u tell me how ...it shouldnt be that hard but i havent done it 06.30.08 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS 06.30.55 # ok soooo 06.31.05 # every single themes i download from the rockbox website 06.31.11 # u need to edit the wps? 06.31.28 # so it will change fromj backdrop to now playing screens 06.32.45 # Not necessarily 06.32.54 # so just this one? 06.33.06 # I don't even know if this will fix the problem, it's just a potential fix. 06.33.07 # cuz last time i had my other ipod i downloaded it and dragged n dropped and it worked fine 06.33.18 # Are you using a custom build at all? 06.33.48 Quit jhulst (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 06.34.06 # no 06.34.12 # its from the rockbox site 06.34.16 # it has a list of all kinds 06.36.02 # i guess ill try a different one 06.36.03 # .............. 06.36.12 # Hang on, let me test it out. 06.36.18 # Is it an iPod 5g? 06.37.02 # yes 06.37.03 # 5 gig ipod 06.37.08 # i downloaded black glass 06.37.11 # n just dragged n dropped 06.37.56 # And which theme was this? The jBlackGlass theme? 06.38.00 # Black Glass AA v1.21 06.38.12 # Black Glass (Album Art Version) 06.38.21 # Well, for starters, that theme requires a custom version of rockbox - it won't work with the official one. 06.38.47 # oh 06.38.50 # thats prolly y 06.38.51 # hah 06.38.53 # what version? 06.38.57 # v1.21 06.39.44 # Well, when you downloaded it, did you notice the thing saying "but please note you'll need my latest rockbox prebuild binnary [sic]!" 06.40.13 Join sando [0] (i=lolsteam@124-254-76-41-static-dsl.ispone.net.au) 06.41.19 # no 06.44.03 # it doesnt say that 06.44.33 # A WPS based on the new Window Media Player 11. This version uses the Album Art patch (iPod Experimental Builds). An non-Album Art version is available below. 06.44.33 # Forum Discussion Thread 06.44.33 # * Download: Black Glass AA v1.21 06.44.33 DBUG Enqueued KICK ManaSama 06.44.33 # *v1.21* 06.44.34 # Now makes use of resizing album art patch 06.44.48 # it says nothing like that 06.44.52 # u got it working? 06.46.17 # Are you looking at the WpsIpod5g wiki page? 06.46.29 # Or on the www.rockbox-themes.com website? 06.46.42 # its on both sites 06.47.03 # WpsIpod5g - WPS Gallery for the Ipod 5G. 06.47.06 # imlooking at that one 06.47.47 # Ah, my mistake, I was looking at the non AA one 06.48.18 # i tried 3 different themes 06.48.18 # But yes, that one too requires a custom build, which I can't test 06.48.28 # were do i get different builds? 06.48.40 # it needs v 1.21 build? 06.48.48 # No, that's the version of the WPS 06.48.58 # "This version uses the Album Art patch (iPod Experimental Builds)" 06.49.05 # Click the link 06.50.42 Part zivan56 06.51.42 Quit Llorea1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.51.45 # The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you 06.52.12 # gawd this is so stupid 06.52.42 # Well, it isn't exactly rockbox's problem, it's an unsupported build that's gone missing by the looks of it 06.53.02 # There are others which will do what you want though, take a look in the unsupported builds section on the forum. 06.56.02 Quit Bjoern-Erik (Read error: 148 (No route to host)) 06.56.25 Quit ManaSama () 07.13.40 Quit f00f ("Ex-Chat") 07.20.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.29.50 Join ctaf [0] (n=ctaf@ram94-6-82-242-23-70.fbx.proxad.net) 07.32.10 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host100-213-dynamic.0-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 07.37.28 Join RaRe [0] (n=Laffin_B@202-89-187-101.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) 07.41.14 Quit ctaf (Remote closed the connection) 07.41.56 Join ctaf [0] (n=ctaf@ram94-6-82-242-23-70.fbx.proxad.net) 07.44.36 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-365fa86ce831af9a) 07.47.41 Quit Gursikh ("Raj Karega Khalsa!") 07.53.21 Quit sando ("Apply directly to the forehead") 07.54.38 Quit davina_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.54.56 Join davina_ [0] (n=dave@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 07.58.47 Quit lids (Remote closed the connection) 07.59.21 Join lids [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-e86bb0c257aad989) 08.01.37 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.141.164) 08.05.22 # has anyone here worked with flash devices that are configurable to either write in bytes or words 08.06.09 # specifically working with D15 and A0 sharing the same pin in byte mode 08.07.16 # hmmm, i can't remember i have... 08.08.20 # LinusN, I was looking for some pointers on writing code to move the lowest address bit out to D15 08.08.39 # I'm not too good with bitwise operations on pointers 08.09.02 # or addressing like it's 8 bits wide and actually putting 16 bits of data on the bus 08.09.02 # you need to cast the pointer to a suitable integer 08.09.49 # by the way, is that a typical setup for flash memories in byte mode? 08.09.59 # i must say i'm a little confused now 08.10.23 # this is the DS I'm looking at: http://www.spansion.com/datasheets/e520911.pdf 08.10.37 # let me find the page 08.11.26 # page 22 08.11.42 # they talk about byte/word configuration 08.12.27 # I don't know the pin in the gigabeat to actually toggle the byte pin so I'm stuck in byte mode even though the data and address lines are properly setup for word mode 08.13.23 # so D0 through D15 are all hooked up to the data lines and A0- A18 are connected to the address lines 08.13.46 # well, that only tells you that the A-1 pin is used for the lowest address bit 08.15.00 # mo0ning 08.15.27 # yes, but A-1 is also shared with D15 so I can't just do a normal write to the CPU bus and expect that it will work properly.. unless I'm doing something else wrong, I have all the bytes duplicated in flash 08.15.28 # LinusN: Did you read about my speed test results on the 5.5/80 ? 08.15.31 # kkurbjun: hang in asec 08.15.53 # Linusn, ok, thanks 08.16.44 # The patch is obviously working fine on all G5s and G5.5s, but sequential writing from a 512 byte buffer on the 80 is *dead* slow compared to all other targets 08.18.11 # as an added note I'm pretty much following the same style of code as the firmware_flash plugin, and just modifying the command sequences right now 08.18.31 # Reading doesn't have that problem. I have a suspicion why that happens - the disk simply doesn't expect the same sector accessed twice. So it throws the sector out of its internal cache after the first access, and hence needs to hit the disk everytime 08.19.46 # Write speed from a 512 byte buffer is 2..3MB/s on other G5s, but 23KB/s (!) on the 80 08.22.01 Join ryran [0] (i=1894d15d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-164a597d8e5e7932) 08.22.15 # hey everyone 08.23.05 # looking for some help with the wps parser... what should I be seeing if I run the sim with the --debugwps switch? 08.24.51 # anyone? 08.24.54 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 08.26.45 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul) 08.27.54 # ryan, I think Nico_P would be able to answer your question 08.29.06 # I'm just feeling kind of dumb because it's obviously not loading my wps, but I'm not getting anything and I don't know what to look for. 08.30.45 # kkurbjun: I wonder how the flash access can work at all if the bus configuration and device configuration mismatch 08.30.57 # Not only for programming, but also for reading... 08.31.06 # I gotcha, I don't work with the WPS stuff at all so I can't really offer anything though 08.32.44 # amiconn, reading seems to work fine.. writing is giving me those duplicated bytes.. It seemed to fit with the description of the byte/word mode to a point.. this may not be the problem though. I see the bytes duplicated in flash even if I only execute a single write to the flash 08.33.46 # that code is identical to ProgramByte in firmware_flash too (except for the commands) 08.34.21 # and if I execute the commands to do word writes the flash doesn't try and write 08.34.33 # it only accepts the byte commands 08.35.55 # and addressing reacts like byte mode as well 08.36.00 # it is strange though 08.37.47 # I'm a bit confused on all this though as I haven't really worked with flash devices at all 08.40.15 # this openOCD jtag debugger is nice, it really works well with the Xilinx Cables 08.42.04 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 08.42.04 # * amiconn wonders how a single write might cause duplicated bytes... 08.43.03 # The only thing I can imagine atm is if there are actually 2 flash chips, one for the even and one for the odd bytes, and you're accidentally writing to both of them at the same time... 08.43.10 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.dsl.t-2.net) 08.43.37 # that would be an odd setup 08.43.46 Part kaaloo 08.45.37 # I am doing all my memory reads over the jtag chain, but it seems pretty stable to me, all the rest of the flash reads out fine through it 08.46.22 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-95e4aa597a18eff8) 08.48.22 Quit ryran ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 08.48.31 # from toffe82's tracing there is no indication that there would be two flash devices in a setup like that either 08.51.46 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54b15b8f.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.56.20 Quit ptw419 () 08.59.32 Quit idnar (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 09.00.42 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 09.02.10 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.06.08 Quit Doomed ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 09.06.38 Quit Bromius () 09.07.31 # LinusN, I need to sleep, if you come up with any pointers I would greatly appreciate them. Thanks for looking at it. Thanks amiconn as well. 09.07.41 # sleep tight 09.08.24 Join B4gder [0] (n=daniel@static-213-115-255-230.sme.bredbandsbolaget.se) 09.09.58 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.15.18 Join norbusan [0] (n=norbusan@chello213047086216.5.14.tuwien.teleweb.at) 09.16.43 Quit alberink (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.19.40 # LinusN: I think I should commit the patch. Even if small buffer writing is very slow, it works, and it allows to work on larger sector support in fat.c incrementally 09.19.56 # i think so too 09.19.56 # Btw, dir.c and file.c need to be adjusted as well 09.20.05 Part norbusan 09.20.20 # small buffer writing, is that like FAT updates? 09.20.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.20.46 # or cfg files? 09.21.03 # Yes, but actually it doesn't hit fs performance much, as these accesses are non-contiguous anyway 09.21.09 # true 09.21.20 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjorn@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 09.21.28 # It's writing sequential files from a 512 byte buffer that suffers most 09.23.39 # something we don't do a lot, i suppose 09.24.31 # Well, config files, .playlist_control etc are all written that way 09.24.44 # But then all these files aren't very large 09.26.04 # Compare this: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/test_disk_log_01.txt (results from linuxstb's iPod video) with this: http://amiconn.dyndns.org/test_disk_log_01.txt (results from the 80GB) 09.27.22 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-f6e037ba072b641a) 09.28.26 # amiconn: I think you should commit now as well - if it's only write speed you'll be significantly improving, then it won't stop us releasing the bootloader now, so people can start using Rockbox on their 80GBs. 09.31.29 # hmm - I've had my iPod lock up a couple of times now if I power it on with the usb cable plugged in 09.31.56 # GodEater: Yes, that problem has been around for a while... 09.32.07 # ah good - as long as I'm not suffering alone 09.33.29 # * GodEater has just sent off a fresh complaint to BT about his lack of internet connection 09.33.49 Join crop [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-fce1b7b2829c5fd3) 09.36.07 # I have a question about a recent change in sound.c, function "sound_get_fn." Why is there the need for the switch? Why can't the func be accessed by index as it was done before? 09.36.12 # was your 7:18 commit prompted by my forum post linuxstb ? :) 09.38.02 # GodEater: Partly - I was thinking about changing that yesterday, but your forum post made me do it :) 09.38.12 # hehe 09.38.34 Join laure1 [0] (n=incolor@cc1110931-a.groni1.gr.home.nl) 09.38.44 # hello 09.39.04 # We should put instructions for rebooting and disk mode in big friendly letters on the front of the Rockbox manual... 09.39.06 # me is looking forward to the influx of 80GB related posts that are sure to arrive soon 09.39.17 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust362.winn.cable.ntl.com) 09.39.23 # linuxstb: next to the words "Don't Panic" perhaps ? 09.39.32 # Nah, we like to panic users... 09.39.39 # hahaha 09.39.41 # who can help me, I want to apply a patch on my ipod photo, put the patch on the root folder of my ipod and used the patch -p0 patchname from the terminal. But nothing happens in the terminal 09.39.44 # otherwise where's the fun 09.40.02 # laure1: can you build an unpatched rockbox? 09.40.15 # laure1: patch -p0 < patchname 09.40.16 # Hmm, is there a new dontpanicf() function? 09.40.16 # laure1: Patches are changes to the Rockbox source code - you need to download the source code, apply the patch, and compile to create a rockbox.zip 09.40.17 # jup, Im running rockbox if thats what you mean 09.40.38 # laure1: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches 09.40.43 # do I need the < sign in the terminal? 09.41.03 # yes, patch reads from stdandard input by default; < will feed the file to standard input 09.41.05 # laure1: primarily you need the source code and development environment 09.41.17 # ahh ok, I think thats the problem, will give that a try , one moment 09.41.27 # oh, root folder of your ipod 09.41.37 # laure1: also, what everyone else said :) 09.41.50 # ok 09.41.52 # i've left out < so many times myself i just jumped on that 09.41.53 # we so need to call patches something else 09.42.10 # GodEater: "diffs" is another often-used term 09.42.22 # although using patch to apply diffs may be just another type of confusion 09.42.24 # indeed 09.42.33 # alias patch=diff :) 09.42.46 # hmm 09.42.49 # not sure that'll do what yoy want :P 09.42.51 # that might not be so bright however 09.42.54 # I've suggested in the past that we stop referring to them as patches, and call them diffs. 09.42.55 # and there's already a "diff" command 09.42.58 # hmm Im seeing more right now :) only it says can' t find the file to patch 09.43.03 # well it will - but then diff will stop working 09.43.08 # do I need to put the patch in the ./rockbox folder? 09.43.13 # laure1: Patches are changes to the Rockbox source code - you need to download the source code, apply the patch, and compile to create a rockbox.zip 09.43.14 # .rockbox I mean 09.43.14 # laure1: no, see the comments above regarding the source code 09.43.38 # laure1: you don't have the source code currently 09.43.38 # ok, sorry now I understand 09.44.52 Quit crop ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 09.45.19 # is there some manual for this, because the working for patches doesnt tell me where to download the right source etc 09.45.48 # laure1: search the wiki for instructions on setting up a development environment 09.45.51 # laure1: Try the links in this section - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers 09.45.59 # there are about three different methods on the wiki 09.46.11 Join safetydan [0] (n=dan@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 09.46.35 # ok, but to be sure, the only thing I want to do is run the multiple-fonts patch, do I really need to rebuild the whole thing for this? 09.47.10 # laure1: Yes, or look for an "unofficial build" with that patch included - a version of Rockbox where someone has already applied that patch for you. 09.47.11 # laure1: yes 09.47.23 # thats a good idea :) 09.48.55 # * GodEater wonders how up to date with the current source tree the multi-font patch is anyway 09.49.42 # what I want to do is use nimbus 12 in the menus and de default font in the play window 09.50.52 # amiconn: If you have a chance, can you copy the MBR from the 80GB - so we can add it to downloads for macpod conversion? They're on the download server, so you'll need to give it to Bagder/LinusN. Can you name it mbr-video80gb-2048.bin ? 09.52.56 Join Siltaar [0] (n=Siltaar@193.52.208.229) 09.53.35 # * GodEater could do that too 09.53.39 # hej I must go, thanks everybody for your help 09.54.17 Quit maffe (Remote closed the connection) 09.54.23 # GodEater: I forgot you had an 80GB :) Thanks. Just "dd if=/dev/sdx of=mbr-video80gb-2048.bin count=1" - assuming you haven't repartitioned to add IPL. 09.54.47 # the very idea 09.55.38 Part laure1 09.55.43 # do Bagder / Linus have a preferred method for getting it to them 09.56.05 # a URL we can get it from 09.56.28 # right - I'll hunt down one of those file sharing sites 09.56.44 # You could just email it to me and I can host it easily. 09.56.46 # you can email it to us as well if that's easier for you 09.57.16 # those sharing sites are usually so annoying 09.59.47 # emailed it to you Bagder 09.59.57 Quit scorche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.00.37 # got it 10.01.37 # * linuxstb downloads it and discovers he already had one (identical md5sum) sitting on his hard disk since january... 10.01.54 # I think I've got about 4 copies of it here with various names :) 10.02.05 # Maybe you gave it to me then... 10.02.15 # very possibly 10.03.01 # shall I delete the IpodEightyGB wiki page now then ? 10.03.15 # hm 10.03.26 # there's a mbr-video80gb-2048.bin file present already 10.03.47 # hahaha 10.03.49 # hm... I just updated the wiki and was surprised the file was there so quickly... 10.04.00 # different from GodEater's though 10.04.04 # * linuxstb loves wasting time 10.04.08 # oooh really ? 10.04.28 # that's worrying 10.04.36 # * GodEater promises he's not done anything to his 10.04.51 # I've checked the one already on the server, and that looks fine, so I think we should keep the older one. 10.05.00 # (i.e. the partition table info looks correct) 10.05.14 Quit ctaf ("Leaving.") 10.05.32 # @@ -1,4 +1,4 @@ 10.05.32 # -00000000 eb 58 90 4d 53 44 4f 53 35 2e 30 02 00 08 00 02 |ëX.MSDOS5.0.....| 10.05.32 # +00000000 eb 58 90 4d 53 44 4f 53 35 2e 30 00 08 08 00 02 |ëX.MSDOS5.0.....| 10.05.38 # the only difference 10.06.04 # the first being the older one 10.06.11 # two bytes 10.06.53 # I'm not sure what those two bytes do either 10.07.18 # it's bytes per sector 10.07.36 # .... 10.07.41 # 02 00 = 512 10.07.58 # I think 10.09.16 # It's not part of the boot code? 10.09.34 # * petur is checking 10.09.45 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 10.10.18 # errr.. that should have been 00 02 = 512 10.10.59 # 00 08 = 2048 10.11.30 # that first one looks strange, did you try to mess with it? 10.11.36 # surely the older one is wrong then 10.11.47 # looks like it 10.11.58 # petur: Are you sure that's the sector size? 10.12.19 # yes 10.12.34 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 10.12.52 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAT32#Boot_Sector says so too 10.13.00 # The MBR references I've seen just have code from 0x0 onwards - e.g. http://www.ata-atapi.com/hiwmbr.htm 10.14.51 # * petur is puzzled by linuxstb's link 10.15.27 # Is the boot sector the same as the MBR? Your link looks like a "superfloppy" - i.e. a single partition without an MBR/partition table. 10.15.44 # I didn't think a boot sector was the same as an MBR 10.15.52 # But yes, the MBRs we're getting from ipods seem to match the wikipedia link. 10.16.18 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record 10.17.08 # then why is the name in ascii in that dump? 10.17.34 # Although the two "further structures" are all zeros - just the "common structure" (first 36 bytes) match. 10.18.13 Join juxtap [0] (n=juxtap@vc-196-207-45-253.3g.vodacom.co.za) 10.21.02 # well the iPod doesn't "boot" from it's disk does it ? It boots from flash - so the "code" there doesnt' actually do anything does it ? It's like 446 bytes of free space.... 10.22.05 # it's a combined MBR/bootsector thing I think, I've seen it before on CF cards 10.22.14 Join scorche [0] (i=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 10.22.34 # it's got me confused quite some times in the past already 10.23.07 # however, I'm pretty sure the 2 bytes behind the name are the bytes-per-sector 10.25.11 # Yes, so GodEater's MBR (the second one) looks correct? 10.25.30 # yes 10.25.35 # (2048 bytes per sector) 10.25.59 Quit darkless (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.26.02 # I have seen MBRs with all zeros at the start though - I think the Linux fdisk creates them like that. 10.26.49 # I think it depends on the first three bytes 10.27.02 # * Siltaar is interested in language support for plugins 10.27.05 # B4gder: Can you overwrite the old one with GodEater's ? 10.27.09 # someone to contact ? 10.27.16 # FAT/MBR code is a real mess, not a clear standard 10.27.35 Quit kubiixaka (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.27.41 # * GodEater thinks we should also provide a column with the md5sum for each mbr in the wiki 10.28.29 # isn't the 2048 on the end of the 80GB's sector kind of superfluous ? It doesn't come in any other size... 10.28.54 # I guess someone could upgrade a 5g with an 80GB disk... 10.29.03 # I suppose so 10.29.15 # But yes, it's kinda surperfluous... 10.31.01 # Siltaar: If no-one is replying to you in IRC, you could try the rockbox-dev mailing list 10.31.43 # Siltaar: But as you've probably realised - there's no infrastructure for language support in plugins, so that needs to be written before you can use it... 10.32.57 # GodEater's MBR is now what we offer 10.33.23 # Thanks 10.33.50 # GodEater: did you ever try to change the MBR of your disk? 10.33.57 # just need amiconn to commit the patch now 10.34.02 # petur: No - never did 10.34.10 # thanks linuxstb 10.34.26 # then how come there's a difference 10.34.37 # we don't know where the earlier MBR came from 10.34.43 # so it's difficult to say 10.35.29 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 10.36.45 # Checking the IRC logs, I've found when I asked Zagor to put the MBR on the download server, but I can't see any references to me asking anyone for it... 10.37.35 # scorche: around? 10.37.51 # aye 10.38.02 # Ah, it was from DataGhost - I asked him in #ipodlinux. He said it was the original MBR he backed up from an unmodified ipod... 10.38.41 # scorche: I'd appreciate if you could make a rough poll around your plausible devcon attendees for tshirt sizes (M/L/XL), so that I can ship them over soon 10.38.48 # interesting 10.38.54 # maybe he sent you the wrong one 10.38.57 # It's still here - http://dataghost.com/ipl/5.5G-80GB-original-winpod-bootsector.bin 10.39.45 # B4gder: alright....i was actually wondering if it was worth it to send me a few extra for those in the US that want one so you dont have to send from europe....not sure if that is worth it though 10.39.58 # GodEater: There's also talk about the difference in those two bytes here - http://rainstorm.org/ipod/stats/ipodlinux.log-2007-01-23 10.40.24 # scorche: well, I can easily add a few bonus ones 10.40.53 # B4gder: well, i dont know if it would be worth it for you, really 10.42.11 # linuxstb: around what time in that log ? 10.42.23 # well, my primary concern is for the devcon west poeple anyway 10.42.40 # I haven't really started planning on the rest 10.42.51 Join sando [0] (i=lolsteam@124-254-76-41-static-dsl.ispone.net.au) 10.43.12 # GodEater: It's mentioned twice - search for "00 08" 10.43.15 # heh, DataGhost actually says there that his has 02 00 and the other has 00 08 10.43.29 # 01:48 10.43.45 Join kubiixaka [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 10.43.52 # B4gder: will do then...there are a couple who are not devs that are attending...should i count for them as well, or not? 10.44.06 # scorche: count them too 10.44.20 # how curious 10.44.26 # 02 00 seems totally invalid to me, it should be either 00 02 (512) or 00 08 (2048) 10.45.02 # alright...will do 10.45.25 Join bluebrother [0] (i=W1LLG1Lk@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 10.45.51 Quit lids (Remote closed the connection) 10.46.22 Join lids [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-da9179f4bb913677) 10.48.19 Quit Siltaar ("Quitte") 10.48.27 # I get a different MBR from the 80GB from that on the dl server 10.49.05 # oh how nice 10.49.41 # was it messed with by Linus? 10.49.51 # we can't trust that guy 10.50.00 # :) 10.50.36 # anybody who wants abba and ace of bass can't be trusted 10.51.36 # It's Ace of Base, btw 10.51.47 # I wouldn't know ;) 10.51.48 # amiconn: does LinusN's one look like DataGhost's then ? 10.52.01 # Where can I find that one? 10.52.16 # * scorche sings "Its a beautiful life! ooooh oh oh oh!" 10.52.20 # http://dataghost.com/ipl/5.5G-80GB-original-winpod-bootsector.bin 10.53.17 Join Entasis [0] (n=Jarred@ppp163-137.lns11.adl2.internode.on.net) 10.53.57 Join Siltaar [0] (n=Siltaar@193.52.208.229) 10.54.08 # linuxstb: is ipodpatcher ready for amiconn's commit too? i.e. with a new bootloader ? 10.54.25 # I can't build the bootloaders until amiconn commits, but yes, I'm ready to build... 10.54.35 # silly me 10.55.15 # As I now have a linux-ppc machine (the PS3), I may as well make a PPC build of ipodpatcher as well. 10.55.28 # heh 10.56.17 # I bet there's a huuuge crowd of users screaming for that! ;-P 10.56.24 # * linuxstb wonders if the next ipodpatcher should be 0.91 or 1.0 10.56.33 # 1.0!!! 10.58.10 # OK, I guess we can call it stable... 10.58.27 # shame it's too early for bubbly 10.58.34 # Who says? 10.58.45 # ok - it's too early for *me* :) 10.59.09 # ok, here's my summary of devcon 2007 => http://daniel.haxx.se/devcon2007/ 10.59.21 # oh pooh - I can't look at it :( 10.59.29 # B4gder: \o/ 10.59.36 # work proxy hates haxx.se 10.59.40 # haha, yeah my site is a nasty hacker's site 10.59.51 # Bad hacker! 10.59.54 # GodEater: the entire domain or just my part? 11.00.00 # the entire domain 11.00.26 # GodEater: Yes, LinusN's 80GB bootsector is identical to DataGhost's 11.00.29 # someone told me they had it blocked since the word hacker is used on multiple places 11.00.49 # that's probably the brain dead attitude they took here too 11.00.54 # * linuxstb spots the use of Flash on B4gder's page and wonders what happened... 11.01.11 # eBay advert... 11.01.12 Quit kubiix (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.01.15 # he's been letting Bagder Junior play on his PC again 11.01.15 # linuxstb: I just happen to like the bottle ads ;-) 11.01.15 # GodEater: maybe you can a ipv6 gateway like http://ipv6gate.sixxs.net/? 11.01.32 # pondlife: That's no excuse ;) 11.01.35 # But the differences near the beginning aren't relevant anyway, since that's just the x86 boot code 11.01.37 # bluebrother: hahaha - there's no ipv6 infrastructure here at ALL! 11.01.46 # too bad. 11.01.55 # www.anonymouse.org works though 11.01.55 # That Tower Of Rockbox is scary to look at 11.02.08 # but I'm annoyed my wlan router doesn't support ipv6 all the time :( 11.02.31 # pondlife: christi did look a bit concerned when I stole her targets to improve it ;-) 11.02.37 # bluebrother: you mean it supports it some of the time ? :) 11.02.44 # Ondios would be safe enough... 11.02.49 # But HDDs? 11.03.25 # hey, what's the challange with "safe" ? ;-) 11.03.38 # GodEater: unfortunately not. But if I had get a different version of the same router I could add support with a firmware replacement ... 11.03.38 # :) 11.04.00 # The partition table starts at 0x1be in the MBR. Everything before that is irrelevant as long as one doesn't want to boot an x86 PC from that disk 11.04.18 # * linuxstb was (appropriately) admiring the leaning tower in Pisa at the time the Rockbox tower was built... 11.04.48 # hey guys, does anyone know this debugger? http://www.amontec.com/jtagkey-tiny.shtml 11.05.10 # I was thinking about getting one for the not-too-far future 11.05.43 # Did any progress get made on Viewports? I didn't see any notes... 11.06.00 # I mean at DevCon.. 11.08.35 # LinusN: Nice moves to "...Bright Side Of Life" there ;) 11.08.42 # :-) 11.09.00 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484806a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 11.09.20 # Next year it'll have to be Ma na ma na... 11.09.37 # in such a sad moment? 11.09.51 # pondlife: the progress is that amiconn has a complete design in his head ;-) 11.09.59 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 11.10.05 # yeah, still just there :/ 11.10.10 # lol, I thought that was already the case! 11.10.16 # But I explained the overall concept a bit 11.10.40 # So they didn't attack your head with a can opener to get the concepts out? 11.11.01 # pondlife: we were scared what else that might leak out ,-) 11.11.08 # Good point :) 11.11.42 # looking at the pictures: why wasn't the projector also showing the irc logs? ;-) 11.11.54 # actually, amiconn had to explain it about three times before one of us started to understand it ;) 11.12.03 # Hmm, KISS then? 11.12.14 # (Sorry, just joking) 11.12.37 Quit darkless (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 11.13.42 # pondlife: yes, we applied KISS on his head: "Keep It Sealed Stupid" 11.14.02 # "Kiss my sealed head" 11.14.25 # bluebrother: truly an improvement for next year! ;-) 11.14.28 # KMSH 11.14.42 # LOL 11.14.58 # kiss is stupid silliness 11.15.06 # that would probably have killed that poor computer, it struggled to keep the webcam going 11.15.23 # * petur looks at LinusN and wonders if he just opened that leftover beer 11.15.32 # leftover??? 11.16.11 # one small bottle of kasteelbeer, very dark and sweet (stong to, 11%) 11.16.22 # s/to/too 11.16.35 # Huh, you guys weren't working hard enough?? ;) 11.16.37 # no wonder it's small... 11.16.59 # pixelma had the other one ;) 11.17.21 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 11.18.32 # petur: nope, i keep it for the next bootloader release :-) 11.18.46 # ah, which reminds me.... 11.18.49 # food 11.18.53 # petur: ah, yes 11.19.11 # unless that release is coming soon - I can wait a bit 11.19.27 # but it looked so much better :) 11.19.58 # petur: is 1.30eu ok? 11.20.06 # sure 11.20.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.21.49 # this also makes me remember that disconnecting from my (dell) laptop also made yours get stuck in the USB screen 11.22.17 # not only the bootloader, right? 11.22.22 # (it was yours I think or was that with mine - bad memory) 11.22.40 # no it was in rockbox itself 11.27.41 Quit kubiixaka (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.29.52 Part juxtap 11.30.25 Join ender [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.dsl.t-2.net) 11.33.56 # B4gder: It's not important, but do you know why this page (for example) contains two different timestamps? http://build.rockbox.org/cvsmod/chlog-20070523T071917Z.html Is one the commit time, and the other the time the build started? 11.34.51 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 11.38.40 Join PaulJam [0] (n=Paul@vpn-3029.gwdg.de) 11.48.04 Quit atsea- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.48.06 Quit ender` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.48.23 Join atsea-14 [0] (i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-e8837847479af03b) 11.49.38 Join gtkspert_ [0] (n=gtkspert@gateless.info) 11.50.35 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-494f63d10c52cb6f) 11.50.47 Part atsea-14 11.51.09 Part pixelma 11.51.31 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@214.18.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 11.52.36 Join juxtap [0] (n=juxtap@vc-196-207-45-253.3g.vodacom.co.za) 11.52.39 # Hi 11.53.18 # wow - the compiler speaks to me 11.53.39 # you must be like Neo in the Matrix Linus :) 11.53.44 # I wonder what it would say to _you_ 11.53.46 # hello gcc, what do you want? 11.56.08 # and gcc says: "better code" 11.56.08 # hahaha 11.56.08 # talk_id(P2ID(units[unit_no]), true); 11.56.08 # petur: Isn't that what we say to gcc? 11.56.08 # does anyone know where P2ID is defined ? 11.56.08 # heh 11.56.08 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 11.56.08 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B15B8F.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.56.08 # Siltaar: Probably lang.h, which you will find in your build directory - it's generated by the build system. 11.56.08 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 11.56.08 # settings.h according to my grep -R 11.56.08 Join Lynx [0] (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 11.56.08 # Siltaar: No, I'm wrong.... 11.56.08 DBUG Enqueued KICK linuxstb 11.56.08 # It's in apps/settings.h 11.56.18 # :) 11.57.13 # Ok thanks, I had been checking : lang.h misc talk version ... ... ... :) 11.57.28 Quit Nico_P (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.57.28 NSplit pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 11.57.28 Quit Entasis (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.57.28 Quit Rob222241 (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.57.28 Quit courtc (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.57.28 Quit Lynx_ (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.57.28 Quit Nibbier (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.57.28 Quit goffa (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.57.28 Quit kkurbjun (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.57.28 Quit hax (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.57.28 Quit Weiss (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.57.28 Quit tipi^ (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.57.28 Quit Seedy (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.57.28 Quit Galois (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.57.28 Quit schula (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.57.28 Quit sbeh (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.57.28 Quit YouCeyE (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.57.28 Quit DiDjCodt (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.57.28 Quit datachild (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.57.31 Nick Lynx is now known as Lynx_ (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 11.58.10 # but a grep -R would have been quicker... 11.58.17 NHeal pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 11.58.17 NJoin Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 11.58.17 NJoin Entasis [0] (n=Jarred@ppp163-137.lns11.adl2.internode.on.net) 11.58.17 Join courtc [0] (n=court@unaffiliated/courtc) 11.58.17 NJoin Nibbier [0] (n=sven@port-212-202-177-141.dynamic.qsc.de) 11.58.17 NJoin goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 11.58.17 NJoin kkurbjun [0] (n=kkurbjun@c-71-56-227-141.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 11.58.17 Join hax [0] (n=hax@httpcraft/hax) 11.58.17 NJoin Weiss [0] (i=taw27@pip.srcf.societies.cam.ac.uk) 11.58.17 NJoin tipi^ [0] (i=pihlstro@lehtori.cc.tut.fi) 11.58.17 NJoin Seedy [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 11.58.17 NJoin YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@unaffiliated/youceye) 11.58.17 NJoin datachild [0] (i=krebb@har.en.prickig.cykel.biz) 11.58.17 NJoin schula [0] (n=uli@dino.spamt.net) 11.58.17 NJoin Galois [0] (i=djao@efnet-math.org) 11.58.17 NJoin DiDjCodt [0] (n=djc@poy.chewa.net) 11.58.17 NJoin sbeh [0] (i=sbeh@serverstaff.de) 11.58.19 *** Server message 505: 'logbot_ :Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )' 11.58.46 # hmm -- I'm wondering which compiler talks to LinusN. Is it gcc at all? 12.00.28 # LinusN, the man who whispered in the ear of compilers 12.00.54 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 12.01.13 # the compilerwhisperer 12.01.33 # soon in a DAP near you 12.01.38 # :) 12.02.15 Ctcp Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 5 seconds at the last flood 12.02.15 # * Nico_P takes off for schoolwork 12.04.05 Quit gtkspert (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.04.32 Nick davina_ is now known as davina (n=dave@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 12.06.44 Quit prefetch (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.08.37 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 12.13.39 # * linuxstb looks at the "cfg file options" thread and wonders if the rockbox mailing list could bounce emails generated by Outlook Express... 12.15.01 Quit Seedy (Connection timed out) 12.24.02 # it was so confusing I ignored it 12.28.42 Nick gtkspert_ is now known as gtkspert (n=gtkspert@gateless.info) 12.29.50 Quit Siltaar (Remote closed the connection) 12.31.53 # linuxstb: you could probably do that at the MTA level :) 12.31.58 Part juxtap 12.33.33 Join atsea- [0] (i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-4db6507ea2b56d3e) 12.37.08 Quit |unfug| (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.42.56 Join kubiixaka [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 13.00.11 Quit kubiix (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.00.42 Join boris85 [0] (i=c1fcc733@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-92300fece1a6624b) 13.01.01 # hello there 13.01.28 # i have a ipod 80g + rockbox question 13.01.42 # about the patch#5 posted on flyspray 13.01.58 # #4 sorry 13.02.04 # What's the question? 13.02.44 # is it fonctionnal yet 13.02.59 # cause i installed it and it won't play 13.03.10 # i bet it's normal but just to make sure 13.03.13 # It should work - what are you trying to play? 13.03.28 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 13.03.31 # And have you used Rockbox before? 13.03.34 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 13.03.37 # (on a different player of course) 13.03.51 # well any format really 13.03.51 # yup h100 13.04.02 # iriver's 13.04.14 # What happens when you try to play a file? 13.04.18 # i been a fan since long 13.04.42 # in fact the problem seems to occur before showing the normal rb menu 13.04.50 # i only tried it once 13.05.19 # since it did not work *that* bad i assumed it was its normal behaviour 13.05.31 # i m going to try it once again 13.05.39 # chotto matte ne? 13.05.47 # Did you compile both your own bootloader and your own Rockbox? 13.06.02 # japanese don't use question marks! 13.06.04 # i've got ipodlinux bootloader... 13.06.08 Join juxtap [0] (n=juxtap@vc-196-207-45-253.3g.vodacom.co.za) 13.06.10 # they do 13.06.15 # i don't care :> 13.06.44 # i'm not japanese so i would really know 13.07.03 # boris85: Which version of the ipodlinux bootloader? Older (before January 2007) versions don't work correctly with Rockbox any more. 13.07.11 # btw anyway of rebooting an ipod from apple os w/out pressing menu+play? 13.07.18 # No 13.07.19 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@pd9eb3c50.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 13.07.38 # no its godeater's boot loader 2 13.07.49 # I've no idea what that is... 13.07.52 # linuxstb: older ones before that don't even support the 80Gb iPod :P 13.08.04 # DerPapst: Fair point... 13.08.08 # it's 2.5d6 13.08.21 # boris85: But anyway, you still haven't told us what happens... 13.08.35 # i've got rb bleeding 070522 13.08.44 # patched w/ #4 13.08.46 # you might have to make a loader cfg. because autodetection is broken in that version 13.09.30 # it sort of hangs for about 20s displaying rb splash 13.09.32 # DerPapst: Do you remember a conversation you had in #ipodlinux with DataGhost in January about different values in the MBR on the 80GB ipod video? 08 00 compared with 00 02 ? 13.09.53 # i have a cfg. 13.10.00 # well i read flew over the log... 13.10.11 # s/read// 13.10.20 # and then when i go into "files" there isn't any files... too bad 13.10.32 # DerPapst: It's not important, but I'm curious if you ever found the reason for it. 13.10.51 # boris85: Obvious question, but have you copied any files? itunes puts your music in a hidden folder called iPod_Control 13.10.53 # afaik not. 13.11.13 # another interesting point i've got 772GB of free space, someone wants to buy my ipod? 13.11.25 # (according to system menu) 13.11.31 # hehe 13.11.43 Quit perldiver (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 13.11.46 # linuxstb: i sure have! 13.12.05 # boris: did you format your fat32 partition in linux? 13.12.24 # i don't know, don't remember... 13.12.29 # i think i did... 13.12.40 # you have iPL installed i guess... 13.12.41 # you think fat16/32? 13.12.51 # yes 13.13.03 # nope. it might be a problem with makefs 13.13.09 # urgh 13.13.22 # i had this problem too. 13.13.36 # what should i do? 13.13.44 # the apple fw faild to write to the fat32 created with makefs 13.13.49 # reformat using window$ 13.13.53 # yes 13.13.59 # would be the easiest. 13.14.52 # i've had some problems looking like that (corruptions occuring all the time), but i wouldn't affect rb would it? 13.15.31 # If your filesystem is corrupt, then Rockbox won't be happy... 13.15.35 # the odd thing is when you use makefs to format the fat32 partition linux and windows are happy with it. The apple fw is able to read from this partition but it fais writing it. but rockbox refuses to work with the partition at all. 13.16.06 # DerPapst: Do you have a 30GB or 80GB? 13.16.19 # (I assume you've got a 5.5g?) 13.16.21 # 80GB 13.16.41 # i have a cool message : *PANIC* \n Writing on sector\n0[a sort of dotted square] 13.17.07 # Then that sounds like a corrupt filesystem... 13.17.13 # happened when i pressed the "menu" button in the system menu. 13.17.32 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp165-56.adsl.forthnet.gr) 13.17.52 # linuxstb: if i recall correctly there is a forum post at rb.org which is about that issue. (30GB 5.5G) 13.18.25 # ok so i guess i'll have to transfert all the content of my disk on a pc,format and reupload 13.18.31 # they soved it with re-fromatting the partititon in windows. 13.19.07 # can i keep the same db files if i reformat? so that i don't have to copy everything w/ itunes... 13.19.31 # see what i mean... 13.20.01 # linuxstb: this one: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8681.0 13.20.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.23.28 # well thank you for your help, i'm definitly going to format! 13.24.06 # do so 13.24.21 # thank you also for your work on rb. best thing that happened on my h140, best thing that might happen on my ipod! 13.24.22 # tell me if it worked (i'm reading the logs) 13.24.29 # ok 13.24.43 # because windows didn't want to format my 80GB iPod last time i tried. 13.24.49 # rb4ever <3 13.24.52 # bye 13.24.53 Quit boris85 ("CGI:IRC") 13.26.20 # time to go... work ;) 13.26.27 # see you 13.26.30 Quit DerPapst ("So Long And Thanks For All The Fish!") 13.26.59 # * GodEater managed to find the email address for the CEO of BT Retail this morning, and sent him a long, but polite, complaint email. Five Minutes later someone from his office called and I'm finally starting to see some action out of BT. Woohoo! 13.27.17 # * petur just managed to get two young birds back out of the office (flew in through the open window) :) 13.27.20 # that's more or less completely off topic but I had to share it 13.27.26 # :) 13.28.51 # GodEater: Nice result :) 13.29.17 # Congrats on finding the address. I am in awe. 13.29.21 # linuxstb: I'll be happiest when I actually have a working phone line / internet connection - but at least someone's taking the time to call *me* rather than the other way round :) 13.29.28 # I usually send paper mail. 13.29.58 # I'm willing to share it if anyone else is having similar pain with them 13.30.08 # not that it was that tough to find to be honest 13.30.42 # a google search for "ceo" and "BT Retail" turned it up pretty fast 13.30.57 # GodEater, look at it this way - at least they're not NTL^WVirgin media, who made me wait three weeks, decided they couldn't give me service the day before, cancelled my installation appointment, but didn't seem to think it was worth mentioning this to me. 13.31.04 # There's a word for people like that. 13.31.07 # I'm suspecting it was the CC: to watchdog@bbc.co.uk that really spurred the action :) 13.31.28 # Cassandra: I'm well beyond three weeks of waiting now! 13.31.40 # * petur personally knows the Benelux region manager 13.31.45 # of BT 13.31.51 # lucky you! 13.31.56 # petur: Can he help get GodEater a phone line in London? 13.32.18 # Speaking as someone who does a lot of this stuff (complaining) in a semi-professional capacity (I volunteer at the Citizens' Advice Bureau), politeness and persistence are the most important factors in getting results. 13.32.18 # he's the bass player of my fav band ;) 13.32.22 # this is from when you kidnapped him and threatened to set his feet on fire for a similar infraction on the continent I guess ? 13.32.40 # oh - that's a most disappointing explanation 13.32.45 # I preferred mine 13.32.52 # he's a very nice guy 13.33.18 # GodEater, BT came round within a week for me (although they charged me 125 quid for the privilage and missed the first appointment, but then they did actually provide phone service, unlike NTL.) 13.33.41 # £125?!?!?! 13.33.46 # good god that's pricey 13.34.09 # If you need new wire laying, that's what they charge. :( 13.34.19 # ah - I'm fortunate there - I don't 13.35.15 # Also why Virgin won't do it. They don't have a legal obligation to provide service, so basically can't be arsed. 13.35.19 # to be fair, the chap who spoke to me this morning was equally nice and coherent. It's just the morons at the call centres I object to 13.35.40 # especially having to wait for an hour for them to even pick up the phone 13.37.01 # Yeah, that is annoying. 13.37.13 # Particularly when you're on a mobile so it's not free. 13.37.21 # and that's what I've had to put up with every day for three weeks 13.37.32 # yeah - I started calling from work to avoid that charge 13.37.54 # GodEater: I worked at a call center. It's really a frustrating job and most of the time I felt like I was the only one who cared about customers. 13.38.08 # I can only imagine 13.38.35 # markun: It's why when I get a polite and helpful monkey, I always thank them for going the extra mile. 13.38.50 # ultimately it's not their fault either - they can only work with the information that's presented to them. If I blame anything directly it's the infrastructure they have for communicating between the departments 13.39.08 # it's clearly extremely useless 13.39.08 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 13.39.14 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 13.39.50 # Their system for transferring ADSL tokens also blows goats, if that's any consolation. 13.39.57 # GodEater: the helpdesks are usually a seperate company and a nice way to avoid taking any responsability 13.41.35 # markun: yep - same where I work. Our helpdesk is in Hungary :( 13.43.23 # GodEater: I've also did helpdesk work for TDK, that was quite ok. If you wanted to send someone a CD with drivers, firmware updates or have their CD burner replaced it was quite easy to do so. 13.52.05 # I used to work on a helpdesk, but it was a pretty specialised company - there were only three of us when I started. 13.53.03 # I used to work at a call centre, and it was plagued with system downtime, and inconsistent information. It wasn't fun working there. 13.53.05 Part The-Compiler ("German Rockbox-Podcast - www.rockboxcast.de (A Podcast is a audioshow)") 13.54.04 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@214.18.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 13.56.06 Quit safetydan (Remote closed the connection) 14.02.14 Quit z35 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.05.45 Quit lini (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.07.13 # amiconn changed his mind about commiting the new ATA stuff ? 14.09.54 # he's testing it yet 14.10.22 # could have sworn he said this morning he was going to commit it 14.10.40 # * GodEater looks at his coffee suspiciously 14.13.00 Join norbusan [0] (n=norbusan@dhcp24.dmg.tuwien.ac.at) 14.16.22 Part norbusan 14.21.09 # btw, wasn't the 80GB magic art at least partly figured out by rockbox people? 14.22.47 # i believe so 14.23.25 # given the request from an ipl person that we gave credit to them, I was curious to see if they mention us anywhere... 14.23.37 # well, my small contribution was finding out that the 80gb drive only accepted even sector alignment 14.23.46 # ... and I failed 14.24.29 # ...which is about all the magic there is about that drive 14.25.55 # doubt you'll find anything 14.26.46 # an ipl person has requested credits for the 80gb support? 14.27.04 # no, just in general 14.27.07 Part maffe 14.27.33 # but there's a "thanks to XXX we now support the 5.5G 80GB" post on their site 14.27.35 # ah, i see 14.28.56 # there's an "et al" 14.28.59 # that could be you :O 14.29.25 # yay! 14.30.04 # As I recall, DerPapst from the iPL project noticed the the iPL kernel wasn't doing as badly as our kernel was at reading from the drive. LinusN then sussed about the even sector alignment and always having to read two blocks at a time. 14.30.22 # DataGhost then went and fixed the iPL kernel so it would work properly 14.30.54 # oh, and I figured it was an ATA-7 drive I think. Maybe. 14.30.59 # yes, I was more curious about the issue in general 14.31.16 # those are the names of the key players I believe :) 14.31.17 # they have gotten quite some stuff from us 14.31.56 # I'm sure they wouldn't argue 14.32.11 # but we didn't credit any other projects either our first 6 years ;-) 14.32.19 # where is that post btw? 14.32.19 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 14.32.23 # front page, right 14.32.43 # yeah => http://ipodlinux.org/blog/?p=33 14.32.50 # also mentions as a note that we don't support 80GB 14.33.50 # well, we don't 14.34.28 # when's soc coding officially start again? 29th may? 14.34.35 # 28th 14.34.38 # I think we're implied in the et al :) 14.42.29 # If something mentions "active low" does that mean active if shorted? 14.42.55 # to ground 14.43.11 # Cool 14.45.12 Join RaRe` [0] (n=Laffin_B@202-89-187-101.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) 14.57.56 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 15.01.16 Join webguest33 [0] (i=cb3bc6dc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c0f4086de300b045) 15.01.25 Quit RaRe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.01.43 # hi i just installed rockbox, now when I plug it in, i'm not sure how to find it since IPOD doesn't appear on my desktop anymore, running on Ubuntu 15.01.53 Join RaRe [0] (n=Laffin_B@202-89-187-101.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) 15.02.04 # webguest33: It should appear as a normal removable disk. 15.02.29 # nod well it doesnt apper on the desktop .... 15.02.33 # guess i'll try reboot or something 15.03.19 Part webguest33 15.06.28 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@p549acc42.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.11.08 Quit RaRe` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.18.59 # can't have been running Ubuntu long 15.19.03 # you don't reboot linux!! 15.19.49 Join webguest57 [0] (i=cb3bc6dc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7b1cb0e73aff601a) 15.20.09 # * petur does sometimes when the screen goes ugly or the gui no longer responds 15.20.19 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484806A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.20.22 # yea the latest daily build for ipod 3rd gen results in the ipod not being able to be detected as a normal drive by both Linux & Windows 15.20.26 # I ssh in at that point and kill the X server 15.20.29 # petur: control-alt-backspace 15.20.29 # w2k didn't do that as much as ubuntu :/ 15.20.34 # restarts X 15.20.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.21.03 # tbh I think the HAL stuff in linux is overcomplicated 15.21.03 # B4gder: I had it at devcon and it didn't help iirc 15.21.10 # oh 15.21.19 # I had a go a writing my own rules for mounting devices and I couldn't make it work 15.21.23 Quit RaRe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.21.37 # buggy video driver I figure 15.21.41 # indeed 15.21.44 # webguest57: try typing "dmesg" in a terminal window after you've connected the iPod and see if it reports seeing it 15.21.53 Join idnar [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 15.21.54 # I have a buggy driver too, nvidia... 15.22.09 # heh, mine is nvidia as well 15.22.14 # * GodEater uses the intel i810 driver, which is damn near perfect :) 15.22.22 # but my problems are usually very minor 15.22.26 # well I'm not using the nvidia supplied one as that was even worse 15.22.27 # runs beryl very well if that's your thing too 15.22.56 # I find beryl a fun thing but find no real use for it 15.23.00 # I took ubuntu over kubuntu so I think beryl isn't my thing 15.23.22 # GodEater: you use the "shaky" windows settings too etc? 15.23.22 # I think beryl is DE agnostic 15.23.24 # ender: dmesg is reporting errors 15.23.26 # I tried the desktop animations and it made me sick 15.23.37 # wobbly windows yuck 15.23.41 # indeed 15.23.52 # made me dizzy ;-) 15.23.57 # B4gder: I don't use them no - I DO like the rotaty virtual desktop though 15.24.01 # usb-1.6: device descriptor read/64, error -62 15.24.05 # i get a bunch of them when i connect it 15.24.09 # * petur stops OT alarm bell 15.24.19 # I find it amusing to rotate the desktop, but i didn't actually _use_ it 15.24.19 # webguest57: sounds like the drive may be damaged 15.24.33 # I also LOVE window transparency 15.24.37 # I had it over two screens too and it was fun 15.24.37 # and usb-1.6: device not accepting address 14, error -62 15.24.40 # it actually comes in useful 15.24.51 # webguest57: again, sounds like the drive is damaged 15.24.57 # GodEater: well, with the regular IPOD stuff, it was mounting fine? 15.25.08 # webguest57: restore it in iTunes then 15.25.35 # webguest57: Rockbox has *NOTHING* to do with the USB support on the iPod - we don't mess with it, so if it's not working, it's nothing to do with rockbox 15.26.33 # B4gder: I've never had a machine with enough gfx cards to try multi-head support. One day :) 15.27.02 # kk 15.27.08 # how do i reboot with the original firmware? 15.27.19 # * petur sees no practical use at all in window transparency 15.27.20 # nevermind found it 15.27.43 # bah, I start talking like a linux geek 15.27.59 # haha, you have been assimilated... well soon anyway 15.28.14 # yesterday I was using commandline on windows again 15.28.29 # hadn't done that in years 15.29.38 # yea i just booted into the original firmware and it shows up fine as IPOD on my directory... 15.31.11 # webguest57: I don't think Rockbox on the ipod 3rd gen has ever had USB detection, so you will need to reboot manually into the Apple firmware. 15.31.14 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3029.gwdg.de) 15.32.07 # oh, it's 3rd gen? I missed that. 15.33.17 # yea 3rd gen doesnt have usb support? the 3rd gen guide seems to indicate it does 15.33.52 Quit Domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.33.54 # Which 3rd gen guide? 15.34.11 # the one from the rockbox site.. 15.35.22 # I assume you mean the manual? Not many Rockbox people (maybe just one person) has a 3rd Gen, so it's not impossible that the manual is inaccurate in places. 15.35.27 Join Gursikh [0] (n=khalsa@unaffiliated/gursikh) 15.35.59 # webguest57: So if you find inaccuracies, please report them - posting them as bug reports is the most effective. 15.37.41 Quit webguest57 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 15.38.00 # Fair enough... 15.38.46 # yeah or just go sulk somewhere 15.39.11 Join Alldogship [0] (n=Alldogsh@bas3-montreal02-1096682556.dsl.bell.ca) 15.45.03 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007040314]") 15.45.58 Quit Alldogship ("Leaving") 15.50.54 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.51.19 Join alldogship [0] (n=alldogsh@bas3-montreal02-1096682556.dsl.bell.ca) 15.54.21 # LinusN: running your bootloader. there's something wrong in bootloader usb mode: I've had it either not showing up at all in windows, or giving a crash (I03: Address) 15.54.46 # strange 15.55.00 # this is on my dell screen hub at work (which somebody told me is only usb 1.1) 15.55.18 # will try at home too tonight 15.55.38 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-075-177-158-190.nc.res.rr.com) 15.55.38 # really odd, it works for me here 15.56.02 # will test more and let you know if I can see some pattern 15.57.43 Quit Siku () 15.58.27 # booting into OF since a long time, I haven't seen the corrupted params as I used to, I wonder if that got somehow fixed 16.00.59 # LinusN: urgh - it hangs at power-up after showing the batt voltage - not doing anything USB related at all 16.01.26 # * petur puts spare paperclip in wallet to be sure 16.01.38 # ouch 16.02.16 Quit alldogship (Remote closed the connection) 16.02.56 # bah... got it several times in a row, booting now :/ 16.03.37 # that sucks big time 16.03.56 # happens at least 50% of the time 16.04.13 Join Siku [0] (n=Siku@f303b.w3.tontut.fi) 16.04.15 # wonder if it's related to my 80GB disk? 16.04.19 # when you insert usb? 16.04.35 # nono, just booting with the ON button 16.04.43 # badness 16.04.51 # see, we should have done this at devcon ;) 16.04.56 # lol 16.04.58 # the brand new rockbox booting game 16.05.04 # bootbox! 16.06.31 # petur: what do you mean the new bootloader, the one that fixes USB connection problems for most of us? 16.07.02 # I'll try flashing it again at home (maybe related to those reports that you need to flash it twice) and then I'll revert back to v5 16.07.27 # XavierGr: don't know which one you use 16.07.43 Join nardul [0] (n=kse@0x50a13ed9.kjnxx4.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) 16.07.46 # Heyhey 16.07.49 # strange, for those that had the dreaded bootloader USB mode problem the new "unreleased bootloader" fixed it 16.07.59 # and now you say that you have problems with it 16.08.04 # major baddness here :/ 16.08.14 # it seems that a single bootloader can't keep all users happy 16.08.27 # I just installed rockbox on my not 2 hours old ipod. I read most o the manual, but it said nothing about where to place the music :P 16.08.46 # nardul: choose your own dir structure 16.08.47 # nardul: place it anywhere you like 16.08.48 # nardul: in your dick? 16.08.50 # disk 16.08.52 # oops 16.08.54 # sorry 16.08.57 # lame type 16.08.59 # typo 16.09.07 # rofl 16.09.18 # eh 16.09.22 # Right 16.09.26 # Thanks then :) 16.09.27 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54964c1d.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.09.32 # "a dirty mind...." 16.09.41 # no really sorry, I am ashamed :( 16.10.02 # * linuxstb is still laughing... 16.12.01 # B4gder: 'bootbox' is already taken... 16.12.26 Join Alldogship [0] (n=Alldogsh@bas3-montreal02-1096682556.dsl.bell.ca) 16.13.06 # * petur thinks amiconn is spoiling the joke 16.13.24 # amibox! 16.16.26 # * bluebrother wonders what we should do about FS#7204 16.16.31 Quit Alldogship (Client Quit) 16.17.32 Join ctaf [0] (n=ctaf@ram94-6-82-242-23-70.fbx.proxad.net) 16.17.36 # it goes beyond me 16.19.14 # that is pretty hard to make configurable and have good performance 16.19.36 # methinks 16.20.07 Join crop [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7a05a4a186b1ff79) 16.20.19 # bluebrother: Maybe see what preglow thinks. 16.20.49 # * amiconn wonders what people want more eq filters for 16.20.52 # Is it possible to customize the layout of the task view in FS? The old layout was way better imho. 16.21.53 # I don't think so 16.22.01 # crop: I'm not a big fan of the new look either, but I guess I'll get used to it... 16.22.15 # E.g. there is no vspace between the comments. Very hard to read. 16.22.32 # perhaps the css can be tweaked 16.22.39 # i think it looks good 16.23.03 # What is the advantage of the new version? It should outweigh the bugs in the view 16.23.04 # could be some vspace, i give you that 16.23.09 # preglow: You know me, just a grumpy old man who doesn't like change... 16.23.09 Join alldogship [0] (n=alldogsh@bas3-montreal02-1096682556.dsl.bell.ca) 16.23.10 # heh... talk about EQ filters and preglow shows up ;) 16.23.27 # Almost as reliable as the B word 16.23.46 # heh 16.23.59 # adding more eq features would pretty much only be a gui code job 16.24.05 # hence, i'm not touching it 16.24.20 # Do you think it's a sensible idea? 16.24.28 # not really, no 16.24.39 # B4gder: where is that css? Is it http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/themes/Rockbox/theme.css ? 16.24.47 # one could always argue for more eq bands 16.24.55 # but i don't see the point in tweaking filter types 16.25.13 # the arrangement with two shelving filters and the rest peaking filters is pretty standard 16.26.26 # And the placement / alignment of the labels "Username", "Password" etc is... ehm weird 16.29.08 # How paranoid am i being if i don't want to reboot my computer because i just attached my ipod to load the battery for the first time, and i don't want interruptions? 16.29.51 # why would you reboot? 16.30.03 # Going into windows. A firend wants to play. 16.30.10 # Has any progress on WMA codec been made? I've converted the few wma songs I had to mp3 for now. So that's not very important to me. But just out of curiosity. 16.30.34 # crop: saratoga has that project in his lap for the summer 16.30.44 # gsoc 16.31.19 # ah... 16.31.20 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF5A9D.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.31.22 # Anyone? 16.31.24 Quit crop ("CGI:IRC") 16.32.05 # merbanan: no news on the fixed point wma front, i take it? :/ 16.33.42 # nardul: what does paranoia have to do with it? 16.33.50 # preglow: There's been nothing on the mailing list at least... 16.34.13 # markun, Just a phrasing, the question is, does it really matter if the initial charge id disturbed for a few seconds? 16.34.47 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@bne75-7-82-230-110-107.fbx.proxad.net) 16.34.47 # linuxstb: what he's mentioned about wma fixed point has been conducted off-list, i think 16.34.59 # linuxstb: at least he tried pinging him off-list 16.35.00 # nardul: I'm not li-ion expert, but I don't think it will be a big problem 16.35.20 # preglow: There was an initial discussion on-list, but nothing since around early April I think. 16.35.28 # nardul: maybe they have an answer: http://www.batteryuniversity.com/ 16.36.01 # nardul: " Lithium-ion is a very clean system and does not need priming as nickel-based batteries do. The 1st charge is no different to the 5th or the 50th charge." 16.36.23 # nardul: so yes, you can just stop charging and continue later 16.36.32 # linuxstb: that sucks to a major degree 16.36.46 # i was very much hoping the fixed point part would be out of our hands 16.37.10 # markun, hmm, weird, sales people are known to be "idiots", but he didn't know that. 16.37.52 # preglow: Yes, that would have been very nice. Now Saratoga has to work for his money ;) 16.38.01 # very much so 16.38.32 # nardul: check the site, I think they know what they are talking about 16.38.51 # I am 16.38.56 # Thanks!! 16.39.38 # but I have also been told by mobile phone salesmen that it's very important to fully charge the first time and completely drain the battery every time. The first is not true and the last part is not very healthy for li-ion batteries 16.39.39 # someone code me type of banana that doesn't have a boring taste, please 16.40.14 # soak it in beer? 16.40.25 # i've tasted banana beer and it was horrible 16.40.45 # preglow: what about coconut beer? 16.40.54 Quit Gursikh ("Raj Karega Khalsa!") 16.41.02 # and beer with a strong taste of rice 16.41.06 # i've seen it, but people say it really doesn't taste beer, so i've skipped tasting it thus far 16.43.13 # i don't think rice really adds much taste to a beer 16.43.23 # which is why it's used so much in american light beers 16.43.27 # together with corn 16.44.08 # I once had a very nice beer in a tibetan restaurant with a strong rice taste 16.44.37 # too bad I didn't think to ask for the name of the beer 16.44.50 Quit alldogship (Remote closed the connection) 16.45.45 Quit Entasis ("Leaving") 16.49.56 Quit nardul ("Leaving") 16.50.02 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-202-175.student.uu.se) 16.51.19 Join Alldogship [0] (n=Alldogsh@bas3-montreal02-1096682556.dsl.bell.ca) 16.52.22 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.52.32 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 16.52.46 # hmm... does rockbox change the ipod firmware? 16.52.57 # no 16.53.04 # Alldogship: it shouldn't 16.53.28 # good, so my problem isn't there 16.53.57 Part LinusN 16.54.26 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 16.57.59 Quit B4gder ("It is time to say MOOO") 16.58.07 Quit Alldogship ("Leaving") 16.58.11 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.00.31 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 17.08.12 Quit ivan` (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 17.08.42 Quit kaaloo (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17.11.20 Quit PaulJam_ (".") 17.15.36 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-33ee4bfa9155c150) 17.18.16 Quit The-Compiler (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.18.26 Quit atsea- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.18.33 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF4DD5.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.19.10 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 17.19.16 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 17.20.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.25.58 Part jhMikeS 17.27.51 Quit lids (Remote closed the connection) 17.29.09 Join lids [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-98540536e5a57d26) 17.39.53 Join f00f [0] (n=obo@CPE002078c67dd3-CM0011ae015168.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 17.40.06 Nick f00f is now known as zobo (n=obo@CPE002078c67dd3-CM0011ae015168.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 17.40.33 Nick zobo is now known as obo (n=obo@CPE002078c67dd3-CM0011ae015168.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 17.40.59 Quit obo (Client Quit) 17.42.56 Join atsea- [0] (i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-a3a8d173650fdeb0) 17.46.50 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 17.47.39 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-8a76dd8e7b26d4b8) 17.47.52 # amiconn ? 17.51.36 Join webguest95 [0] (i=542fb321@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-19283cbb77f2d87c) 17.51.37 Part webguest95 17.51.56 Join webguest95 [0] (i=542fb321@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f13541f198b8ac3d) 17.52.02 Quit pondlife ("disconnected has pondlife") 17.52.18 Quit kkurbjun (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.52.54 # hi 17.53.27 Join david1 [0] (n=david52@84.72.254.113) 17.53.47 # hi webguest95 17.54.01 # where i can find PP5021 datasheet? 17.54.15 # you can't. It isn't publically available 17.54.47 # but maybe in a dumpster around the back of PortalPlayer's offices ? :) 17.55.02 # and if you find one, can we have a copy ? 17.55.29 # :) 17.55.39 # GodEater> ok. NP :) 17.56.44 # seriously, if you find one somewhere - come and talk to us 17.57.36 # ok 18.01.03 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host100-213-dynamic.0-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 18.02.00 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 18.03.38 # webguest95: Out of curiousity, why are you looking for it? 18.06.53 Part n1s 18.06.55 # If I have an ancient MP3 player with non-upgradeable (to my knowledge) firmware then would it do any good if I uploaded scans to the wiki? 18.11.13 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 18.12.50 # little 18.13.02 # since it'd be brainsurgery to upload anything new to it anyway 18.15.07 # Why brain surgery? :) 18.17.35 Join lini [0] (i=pugsley@62.204.144.237) 18.19.08 Join joa [0] (n=joe@86.154.248.20) 18.21.24 Quit webguest95 ("CGI:IRC") 18.21.28 Join webguest95 [0] (i=542fb321@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-922c44dfd65fdcc2) 18.22.00 Join E2k [0] (n=Eli@84.163.201.122) 18.41.05 Part david1 18.42.22 Join david1 [0] (n=david52@84.72.254.113) 18.44.17 Quit webguest95 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 18.56.52 Join Arathis_ [0] (n=doerk@p5484806A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.59.55 Quit petur ("work->home") 19.04.08 Quit lids (Remote closed the connection) 19.11.21 Join nls [0] (n=nils@nl104-202-175.student.uu.se) 19.12.17 Quit case_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.13.34 Quit Arathis (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.15.43 # bluebrother: I was just about to close that :-) 19.20.17 Quit kubiixaka (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.20.41 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.22.03 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.26.16 # bluebrother: There's a perfectly suitable fixed-point Realaudio (Cook) decoder in ffmpeg... 19.26.24 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 19.29.21 Join jac0b [0] (n=jac0b@gifn3.fpl.com) 19.30.18 Part david1 19.31.07 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc5-brig8-0-0-cust142.brig.cable.ntl.com) 19.32.40 # linuxstb: I was more referring to that "more" with that statement than to a specific format 19.33.25 # but I guess real audio is much less interesting than wma ;-) 19.33.58 Nick ender is now known as ender` (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.dsl.t-2.net) 19.34.14 # There are still a fair amount of webcasts and radio stations streaming in realaudio... But it does seem to be disappearing. 19.35.05 # * ender` yawns 19.39.05 Quit robin0800 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.39.41 # hi anyone here who could help me with a strange rockbox problem 19.39.46 # ? 19.39.57 # E2k: ask away 19.40.45 # if i listen to some music after a while the display doesnt change anymone and the keys are not respnsive 19.40.58 # but if i tuoch them the backlight goes on 19.41.13 Nick Arathis_ is now known as Arathis (n=doerk@p5484806A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.41.21 # which player, build and bootloader do you use? 19.41.34 # ipod 5.5 30gb 19.41.46 # bootloader link from manual 19.41.53 Join Siltaar [0] (n=Siltaar@reverse-52.fdn.fr) 19.41.56 # and the newest build 19.42.20 # so music keeps playing, and the backlight works but the display seems to lock up? 19.42.26 # jop 19.42.40 # * amiconn decided to commit the simplest version of the 80GB patch with a single sector cache 19.42.53 # what kind of files do you play? 19.42.58 # mp3 19.43.20 # i pay them throu the database 19.43.27 # not the file browser 19.43.38 # amiconn: Should I build some bootloaders and make a new ipodpatcher release, or are there improvements coming in the very near future? 19.43.39 # another stange thing is 19.43.45 # if i plug in the usb 19.43.52 # the music stops 19.43.57 # ok, well I have no idea what may cause this issue, have you tried older builds? 19.43.58 # the display stays 19.44.22 # and anfter maybe 10 minutes it reboots to hard disk mode 19.44.28 # E2k: if you plugin usb it should enter apple diskmode, and stop music 19.44.37 # music stops 19.44.42 # no reboot 19.44.51 # only after a big while 19.45.44 # oh and the locked symbol apears at the top 19.45.54 # but cant swich it off 19.46.06 # very strange behaviour 19.46.08 # The locked symbol means the hold switch is on... 19.46.18 # yes but it isnt 19.46.32 # and hasnt been used 19.46.36 # Have you been using Rockbox for long? 19.46.40 # nope 19.46.44 # 2 days now 19.46.57 # So I assume the Apple firmware didn't have the same problem? 19.47.11 # no the apple firmware seems fine 19.47.15 # no problems there 19.47.34 # So the lock symbol appears when you insert USB? 19.47.52 # And normally the lock symbol isn't there? 19.47.55 # it happened just two times 19.48.11 # when i was listening to music 19.48.22 # and then tried to swich it off 19.48.33 # i noticed this bug 19.49.48 # i am try ing to reproduce it right now 19.49.58 # resetted the ipod 19.50.43 # selected the first song of an album in the database 19.51.03 # lets see if it happens again 19.51.58 # linuxstb: I think we should release a new bootloader + ipodpatcher (+rbutil) 19.53.01 # amiconn: OK. rbutil doesn't need updating - it downloads the bootloaders, rather than embedding them. 19.53.06 # Changing the FAT driver and fs will be a lot more work and hence won't happen soon. And since the bootloader doesn't need to write, there is no performance problem 19.56.19 # linuxstb: Do we now know what amount of RAM the G5.5/30GB has? 19.56.28 # amiconn: hurray ! :D 19.56.39 # amiconn: I assume it's 32MB, but it's only an assumption. 19.56.42 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@166.132.155.54) 19.56.50 # assume != know 19.57.02 # That's what I said. 19.57.51 # Someone should just try a 64MB build on a G5.5/30GB 19.58.25 Quit scorche (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.58.45 Join a1titude [0] (n=Compaq_A@206-163-245-140.swcr.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) 19.58.56 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc5-brig8-0-0-cust142.brig.cable.ntl.com) 19.59.31 # I'm so confused by looking at the "todays" irc log, whats happening with the 80gb patch? lol 20.01.01 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 20.01.45 # a1titude: It was committed about 5 minutes ago... 20.02.28 # really, cool 20.02.31 # wow 20.02.56 # * amiconn wouldn't have expected this piece of code to add almost one KB :( 20.02.59 # ahh, its there now! I see it. 20.03.27 # are there any major differences between the patch in FS#6549 and the commit? 20.03.39 # Still slow then I take it amiconn? 20.04.11 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 20.04.34 # lini: There are differences. The latest patch uses 2 sector buffers, the committed version only uses one 20.04.51 # amiconn: it's quite a lot of code... adding 1k is easy 20.04.58 # This speeds up directory scan a bit, all other operations stay the same 20.05.04 # ok 20.05.12 # ok 20.05.18 # i locked up again 20.05.18 # well, good work getting this far! :) 20.05.26 # I noticed that the 5.5G 80gb boots a little bit slower than the 30GB 5G 20.05.36 # I could have sped up other directory operations by using 8 buffers or more, but imho it's not worth it 20.05.37 # using the same bootloader/firmware 20.05.45 # but it's no big deal 20.05.52 # the any ideas 20.06.17 # Sequential writing would still stay as slow as now 20.06.28 # now the question is, when is it installable? 20.07.24 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@pD9EB3C50.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 20.07.36 Join digerati1338 [0] (n=Mike@70-59-40-106.hlrn.qwest.net) 20.08.18 Join Llorea1 [0] (n=Llorean@166.132.114.215) 20.09.19 Join PaulJam [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3001.gwdg.de) 20.10.15 # given the request from an ipl person that we gave credit to them, I was curious to see if they mention us anywhere... 20.10.16 # The ipl person was me. And i wanted you to credit the iPL project because rockbox uses a lot documentation from iPL and most of the drivers for 3G to 5G (except the optimized vodeo driver. and we didn't forget that. http://www.ipodlinux.org/blog/?p=26 ) 20.10.31 Join Llorea2 [0] (n=Llorean@166.132.70.65) 20.10.37 # *video driver 20.10.45 Quit Llorean (Nick collision from services.) 20.10.48 Nick Llorea2 is now known as Llorean (n=Llorean@166.132.70.65) 20.11.39 # ahh, why is windows update so annoying, well looks like I have to restart my computer again! *sighs* 20.11.45 Part a1titude 20.11.49 Join illriginal [0] (n=illrigin@c-66-229-106-133.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 20.12.37 # has any one compiled the build for the ipod video by inputing 64? when using make I get an inisilsation warning in plugin.c 20.12.42 # DerPapst: ipl is mentioned in the CREDITS file 20.13.01 # I admit this was done only some days ago 20.13.20 # Anyone against my bookmark patch? 20.14.05 # Lear: You should ask on the mailing list. 20.14.10 # petur: right. after i requested it ;) 20.14.28 # I've mentioned it there, though it was on the developer list... 20.14.36 # sure, but leaving ipl out was not done on purpose 20.14.38 # It's been said pretty clearly now, if you're uncertain about a patch the mailing list is where to go because IRC only necessarily gets seen by the people watching the screen at the right time. 20.14.42 # "requested" sounds a bit hard in this context though 20.15.22 # adding the other projects to the credits file is a direct result of the first meeting of devcon2007 20.15.25 Join lids [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-97d21ecf456b5ef1) 20.15.29 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 20.15.38 # petur: i know. i wasn't complaining or anything. 20.15.43 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54964c1d.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.16.12 # DerPapst: If I was around when the first commit to the CREDITS file was made to add other projects, I would have mentioned IPL as well ;) 20.16.36 # should there be two cvs ipodvideo builds now the 64MB patch is in the cvs build only has 32 at present 20.16.54 # There should be no CVS builds because we're on SVN 20.17.10 # ok svn then 20.17.12 # But I think there was talk on adding a 64mb build 20.17.42 # Checked the current build page lately? :) 20.17.42 # There is a 64MB build... 20.17.47 # can you see my earlier question 20.17.49 # i just said the abouve because it sounded in log like i've only requested to have iPL in the creditsfile because "we figured out the 5.5G 80GB" which isn't true. It was teamwork of both projects. 20.17.58 # *above 20.18.33 # robin0800: I see a 64mb current build. What's the question then? 20.19.25 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 20.20.17 # well i get a warning on plugin.c when i use 64mb 20.20.43 # The build system doesn't throw a warning 20.20.51 # So you must be doing something different 20.21.32 # the build system is built with 32mb isin't? 20.21.43 # robin0800: There's a 64mb one too. 20.21.54 # where? 20.22.00 # Look at the Current Build page? 20.22.23 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 20.22.27 # It's the one that says "64MB" after the words "Ipod Video" 20.22.31 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 20.22.31 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 20.22.40 # I mised it sorry 20.23.52 # I have a nasty feeling this must be the album art patch then 20.24.31 # Well, "a warning" isn't very specific... 20.25.08 # inislising pointer in plugin.c 20.26.18 # Wait, so you complained about an error without testing on a clean build? 20.29.07 Join a1titude [0] (n=Compaq_A@206-163-245-140.swcr.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) 20.30.52 Join Lear_ [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 20.31.49 # shouldn't the main page be updated to indicate that 80GB ipods are supported now? 20.32.15 # XavierGr: a new ipodpatcher should be built first... 20.32.16 # (or just remove the "(30GB and 60GB models only)" 20.32.21 # ah okay then 20.32.23 # Only after releasing the new bootloader + ipodpatcher 20.33.19 # amiconn: do you think it would be possible to mod my ondio with a normal led? 20.33.24 Join RaRe [0] (n=Laffin_B@202-89-187-101.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) 20.33.29 Quit Llorea1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.34.02 # instead of just put the EL foil and the correct circuitry I maybe could stack a LED in there 20.34.14 # I just don't know the wirings or if it requires more than just a LED 20.34.17 # Lear: does building for coldfire with gcc 4.1 bring any benefits? 20.34.46 # Not that I know of, really, but since the change was so small... 20.35.14 # Haven't made any proper test though, e.g., using the new codec tester plugin. 20.35.22 # Lear_: so is it difficult to set up or just compile a new gcc/binutils? 20.36.58 # Well, 4.1.x is pretty easy (IIRC), at least if you use binutils 2.16.1. To use binutils 2.17, you really need 4.3, which isn't out yet (but that really needs a binutils _newer_ than 2.17)... :) 20.36.59 # XavierGr: For a LED backlight you would need a proper light frame + diffusor, and there isn't enough room behind the LCD to fit that 20.37.42 # Lear_: ok, thanks I might give it a go... 20.37.56 Quit goffa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.38.08 # yeah I know about those diffusors to deflect the light properly but I don't have that choice, I just need something to light some part of the screen, I could also cut the front of the LED to make light spread further 20.39.01 # my main concern is do I just solder the LED on the motherboard or do I need further elements? (chips, resistors etc) 20.39.02 Join nardul [0] (n=kse@0x50a13ed9.kjnxx4.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) 20.39.03 # Hey 20.39.14 # A question, how do i get out of usb disk mode? 20.39.23 # Well 20.39.23 # Testers needed for new ipodpatcher - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher-1.1.zip 20.39.32 # I can unplug it, but is there some way to shut it down? 20.39.57 # New set of bootloaders is here - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/bootloaders.zip (amiconn - can you build for amd64?) 20.40.31 # linuxstb: the version of ipodpatcher still detects my both ipods well (5.5G 3G) 20.40.59 # nardul: We have no idea what player you're talking about, so it's a little hard for anyone to help 20.41.42 # linuxstb: since you've only changed the way it detects the ipod i haven't tested the installation of the bootloader or any other functions. 20.41.46 # Llorean, ah, yeah, an ipod :) It's because i've been in here soo many times. 5.5g 20.42.17 # If you're in USB mode because you plugged in a USB cable in Rockbox, unplugging it should lead to it restarting. 20.42.30 # If you manually entered USB mode, you'll have to manually restart, that's the way the Apple firmware works. 20.43.04 # Llorean: I thought it would be like that on all ipods, but the G5.5/80 is different... 20.43.13 # Llorean, It's in rockbox, it just says "don't unplug" so i was wondering if there was a way i ought to shut it down first, thanks. 20.43.29 # nardul: It's not in Rockbox, Rockbox doesn't have a USB mode. 20.43.33 # amiconn: The 80gb requires a manual restart? 20.43.35 # Llorean: if i enter diskmode manually it reboots after 15 seconds if not connected (5.5G 80GB) 20.43.44 # Llorean: No, the opposite 20.43.53 # Llorean, I know, but rockbox automatically reboots into it 20.43.55 # Ah 20.43.59 # Diskmode reboots after unplugging even if entered manually 20.44.04 # amiconn: Ah, interesting 20.44.21 # nardul: Yes, but it's not "in Rockbox", I just wanted to make sure you were aware of that. 20.44.36 # the 30GB 5.5G uses the same aupd image.. so in theory it should act the same 20.44.40 # nardul: It should automatically reboot after properly ejecting and unplugging then. If it doesn't, you'll have to reset. 20.44.56 Quit illriginal (Remote closed the connection) 20.45.18 # Llorean, It does, just wanted to amke sure i didn't have to hold a button. Thanks for your help. 20.45.19 # linuxstb: Btw, the debug menu reports that the G5.5/80 has a PP5022C. Iirc the other G5s use the PP5021C ? 20.46.00 # I didn't know the debug menu did that... I wonder where the info comes from. 20.48.34 # It reads the PP version string from 0x70000000 and 0x70000004 20.49.00 # And for some reason the HW rev reported on the G5.5/80 is 0xffffffff 20.49.19 Quit Lear (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.49.29 # Yes, I've just got there... The HW revision doesn't work for any 5/5.5g 20.49.34 Nick Lear_ is now known as Lear (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 20.49.44 # hmm 20.50.22 # That's a hack still there from the very early days of the port - it's read a magic location in flash, so is done in the bootloader. Now we remap flash, we could just do it in Rockbox itself... 20.50.55 # It's only needed on the Photo/Color - to help distinguish between the two LCD types. 20.51.46 # Well, we could also use it to distinguish mini G1/G2, but there are more differences than just the LCD data ports 20.52.16 # ...like buttons+wheel 20.53.32 # The two mini builds don't seem have caused any problems so far, so I can't see a big need for merging them. 20.53.51 # But it's always nice to reduce builds. 20.53.54 # Oh, and even the PP 20.54.21 # * amiconn wonders what PP is in the G5.5/30 20.55.12 # Interesting, my 30GB 5g (bought very soon after release) also says PP5022C in the debug menu. 20.56.25 # Hehe, and my mini G2 says PP5022B 20.57.04 Join Ghoulunatic [0] (i=4a8bc2d5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-fa0fb4c8772b6811) 20.57.17 # hey rockboxers 20.57.25 Join illriginal [0] (n=illrigin@c-66-229-106-133.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 20.58.09 Part Llorean 20.58.29 # * linuxstb pings Bagder to do some download server work 20.59.23 # Hmm, someone should check PP version on a nano 20.59.28 # * amiconn has a suspicion 20.59.54 # PP5033A? :P 20.59.55 Join entheh [0] (n=purr@88-106-201-51.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 21.00.04 # s/33/22 21.00.16 # I would guess PP5022C 21.00.58 # amiconn: 2G mini? 21.01.19 # Got a question, I need serious halp 21.01.22 # amiconn: i've got a nano, but i can't in any way open it 21.01.29 # when is ipod patcher going to be realesed for the 80GB? sorry I'm really kinda exsited about this! lol 21.01.35 # the last time i tried, i just succeeded in bending the back cover somewhat 21.01.37 # preglow: Debug->View HW info 21.01.40 # I installed the newest build for my Gigabeat F series, and now I'm getting a "Codec Failure" message 21.01.44 # amiconn: that i can do 21.02.01 # pp5022c 21.02.06 # a1titude: Too excited to read the logs? 21.02.09 # * amiconn expected that now 21.02.21 # My suspicion is that the PP5021 doesn't exist 21.02.36 # Dissection photos say PP5021 on the chip 21.02.41 # s/say/show/ 21.02.48 # There is no product brief for it unlike the 5002, 5020, 5022 and 5024 21.02.54 Quit nardul ("Leaving") 21.03.17 # I'm sure I've seen references to it though - in press releases etc. 21.03.23 # That is probably to confuse people. Iirc there are also PP chips with no printed type number on them 21.03.44 # e.g. here - http://news.worldofapple.com/archives/2006/04/20/portalplayer-loses-deal-with-apple/ 21.03.55 # linuxstb: tbh, I don't know what I'm looking for in the log! 21.04.03 # Generation wiki over at iPL says that mini 1G have pp5020 and 2G minis have pp5022 21.04.17 Join daniel2024 [0] (i=d0b4e09e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7b69088df3174362) 21.04.18 # DerPapst: Yes, that's correct 21.04.27 # There seems to be a revision letter as well 21.04.41 # a1titude: I uploaded the new ipodpatcher here - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher-1.1.zip 21.05.01 # linuxstb: A simple check: Try to use 128KB of IRAM... 21.05.23 # ahh, thank you (well its one of those days where my brain was washed out in the shower! ha) 21.05.28 # Ghoulunatic: this indicates you didn't unzip the file correctly -- you need to replace all files in the .rockbox folder 21.05.35 # ok 21.05.47 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@166-220-042-195.mobile.mymmode.com) 21.05.48 # also, make sure there is no file rockbox.gigabeat in the root folder 21.05.51 # I dunno how that happened, but I'll unzip it again 21.06.03 # ok 21.06.16 # (that file is now inside the .rockbox folder) 21.06.53 # * preglow wants docs on the nano g2 hardware... 21.07.05 # Ok, now my Gigabeat won't show up in my explorer 21.07.05 # so the 80gb ipod port is good to go then I take it... 21.07.15 # I got the confirmation that it connected 21.07.27 # amiconn: Maybe the PP5021 was made especially for Apple (hence no public brief). We know there is 128KB of IRAM, because the reboot-to-USB procedure involves writing some magic to the end of IRAM, and that's based on 128KB for the Nano, Video and 2nd Gen Mini. 21.07.30 # a1titude: already in SVN 21.08.03 # linuxstb: But why does it report PP5022C then? 21.08.08 # yeah, I've got it! :) thanks - If I find any bugs, I'll keep you updated. 21.08.10 # That I can't answer... 21.08.22 # The "real" PP5022 (in the mini G2) says PP5022B 21.09.05 # The PP in the nano is listed as "PP5021C-TDF" in the generations wiki... 21.09.29 # Maybe it started life as a revision of the 5022, and then the marketing people wanted to give it a new number... 21.10.10 # DerPapst: Yes, same as this photo of a 5g shows - http://media.arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/video-ipod.media/ipodvideo-mainchips.jpg 21.10.16 # bluebrother: i just remembered, I forgot to do the Battery switch thing 21.10.51 Quit joa ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 21.11.21 # linuxstb: i assume you don't know of any advances on cracking the samsung chips? 21.11.33 # amiconn: Can you build an amd64 ipodpatcher? I can add it to my zip ready for Bagder. 21.11.43 # * DerPapst is afk (doing some stupid sports :P) 21.11.49 # preglow: You assume correctly. 21.12.30 Quit Ghoulunatic ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.12.33 Join Ghoulunatic [0] (i=4a8bc2d5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4005a0a8bd2bbb3a) 21.13.12 # linuxstb: they look far nicer than portalplayer... 21.13.21 Join chrisjs169 [0] (n=jack@pool-71-114-131-29.hrbgpa.dsl-w.verizon.net) 21.13.25 # Ok, so now I'm frozen at the splash screen 21.13.28 # They do, none of that dual-core nonsense... 21.14.48 # I'm gonna pull my hair out.. 21.15.01 Join Shadowrazor [0] (n=jonnn@138.172-245-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) 21.15.19 # oh, there is dual core, but the other core is a high performance dsp! 21.15.20 Join crichardson [0] (n=chrisric@38.113.5.165) 21.15.38 # which it's perfectly safe to ignore, to boot 21.16.54 # linuxstb: I can try... if I would only remember the procedure :/ 21.17.17 # i have a question i was looking at the project and was woundering if a song rating feature has been developed? 21.18.12 # amiconn: Read the top of the Makefile in rbutil/ipodpatcher and download bootloaders.zip from http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/bootloaders.zip 21.20.05 Quit Ghoulunatic ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.20.16 Join Ghoulunatic [0] (n=woot@74-139-194-213.dhcp.insightbb.com) 21.20.40 # So is my Gigabeat bricked? 21.20.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.21.20 # Ghoulunatic: Which splash screen does it freeze at? The initial Toshiba screen, or the Rockbox logo? 21.21.32 # the Rockbox logo 21.21.32 Quit jac0b ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 21.21.45 # Ghoulunatic: You've installed the latest bootloader? 21.21.54 # no 21.22.31 # unless there is a way to force a connection to my computer, I can't 21.22.53 # You can hold a button (I think it's MENU) to enter USB mode in the old version of the Rockbox bootloader. 21.23.14 # when do I do that? 21.23.16 # In the new version, the bootloader will automatically enter USB mode if it detects a connection whilst booting. 21.23.20 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3001.gwdg.de) 21.23.30 # As soon as you start your gigabeat - as the bootloader is running. 21.23.41 Join Gursikh [0] (n=khalsa@unaffiliated/gursikh) 21.23.49 # The screen should display "USB mode" or "Recovery mode" or something similar. 21.23.59 # You can then attach to your computer. 21.24.22 # He, the 2G Nano supposedly have a 200 MHz ARM CPU, 256 KB internal RAM and CalmRISC16 coprocessor (as well as a MAC something)... 21.24.33 # linux is strange... :\ 21.24.38 # I wasn't getting anything from Menu 21.24.40 # extension to calmrisc doing fast mac 21.24.40 Quit spiorf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.24.40 # so I held A 21.24.42 # which is good... 21.24.53 # and it said something about returning to original firmware 21.25.04 # and then it said "Woops, should not return from frimware!" 21.25.16 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host247-170-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 21.25.23 # Ghoulunatic: Did that work? 21.25.26 # linuxstb: amd64 ipodpatcher built successfully, and it can find the G5.5 when plugged 21.25.32 # there we go 21.25.37 # "Entering rescue mode" 21.25.38 # But for some reason gnome doesn't want to mount the thing... 21.25.53 # Entering...... 21.26.32 # linuxstb: dcc? 21.26.36 # the drive is spinning 21.26.42 # amiconn: I think it's worked in the past... 21.26.52 Part Gursikh ("Raj Karega Khalsa!") 21.27.30 # ok, I didn't enter rescue mode 21.27.42 # but the screen says "Rockbox Loaded" 21.27.52 # linuxstb: Hmm, that dreaed 'failed' at the end again :/ 21.28.02 # What's the md5 of what you received? 21.28.12 # 47fcb2162a812c3fe8c5d90b6a2ee366 ipodpatcher-amd64 21.28.20 Join jnitetime [0] (n=jnitetim@67.60.120.178) 21.28.28 # 382400 bytes 21.28.35 # Ok, matches 21.28.43 # argghhhh 21.28.53 # I'm trying the rescue mode again 21.28.56 # its "Entering" still 21.29.04 # amiconn: OK, thanks, I'll update my zip 21.29.52 # any one have a sansa? i am intrested in rockbox because hmm its opensource :) but i was woundering what the diffrents between the original firm/os and rockbox is i looked at the webpage but i didnt notice much diffrents but plugins and filetype support 21.30.12 # linuxstb: I'm still frozen at Entering Rescue Mode 21.30.25 # do I plug it in now? 21.30.39 # Yes, try that. 21.30.43 # ok 21.30.46 # nothing yet... 21.30.53 # maybe I waited too long 21.31.27 # nope.. 21.31.33 Quit PaulJam_ (".") 21.31.50 # crichardson: Reading the manual may give you an idea of how it differs. Or just try it - it's easy to uninstall. 21.31.58 # can anyone help me with Video iPod Rockbox? 21.32.29 # Ghoulunatic: Maybe you should wait until someone who knows more about the gigabeat is around, or you could try #gigabeat 21.32.45 # last time I went into #gigabeat, they yelled at me to come here 21.32.46 # jnitetime: Just ask 21.32.46 # I think 21.32.52 # hehe ;) 21.33.12 # In which case, don't tell them I sent you... 21.33.20 Part maffe 21.33.28 # lol, ok 21.33.53 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 21.33.59 Quit digerati1338 ("Bye!") 21.34.11 # how long do I power cycle for? 21.34.13 # 10 seconds? 21.34.38 # ok, well i followed the manual instructions, and when i booted up my iPod, it only showed the startup Apple, so i figured it was a firmware problem, so i flipped the Hold switch, and it said "Error! cannot load Rockbox.iPod, file not found" 21.34.52 # and.. yeah...kinda need the file to work 21.34.56 # ok, I supposedly got the original firmware loaded 21.34.58 # or the previous 21.35.13 # jnitetime: Did you download and extract rockbox.zip ? 21.35.20 # i did 21.35.54 # i can get the original firmware to boot, just not RockBox 21.35.56 # That should have given you a .rockbox folder (note the leading dot) in the root of your ipod, with a rockbox.ipod file (and lots of other things) inside. 21.36.20 # god dammit 21.36.34 # now its loading the gigabeat splash and the load bar gets half wayup and freezes 21.37.02 # see, the thing with that is, i got a rockbox folder that took up 1.9 MB, but i opened it and nothing was in it, so i copied it to the root of iPod and it took longer to copy than it should for an empty folder 21.37.43 # Ghoulunatic: The worst that can happen is that you need to do the "recovery mode trick" - which involves unscrewing the back case of your ipod, and hot-plugging the disk. The wiki describes the process. 21.37.51 # jnitetime: Are you on a Mac? 21.37.59 # yeah...why? 21.38.39 # 1) The Mac unzip program creates an extra "rockbox" folder not specified in the zip file itself; 2) The Mac OS X finder doesn't show you folders beginning with a dot. 21.38.44 # linuxstb: I'm using a Gigabeat 21.39.14 # Ghoulunatic: Sorry, replace ipod with gigabeat in that sentence... 21.39.18 # oh ok 21.39.33 # I don't even see any screws :X 21.40.11 Quit daniel2024 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.40.30 # jnitetime: The easiest solution is to try the Rockbox Utility - it's an in-development GUI install tool. It's rough round the edges, but works. You can download the Mac version from here - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility 21.40.46 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.41.22 # so this is like an installer? 21.41.33 # Yes, it's exactly like an installer. 21.41.39 Join mpeccorini [0] (n=mpeccori@mail1.theargusgroup.us) 21.41.41 # ok, i'll try it out, thanks 21.42.29 # Guys, I'm trying to make the "inverted" efect the menu does with the current selection but I can't find how or where it's done in the menu. Can someone give me an idea? 21.43.16 # I'm not sure, but I expect the menu code calls the list widget code. 21.43.38 # linuxstb: I can't find that tut on the wiki 21.43.49 # The GigabeatFXPort page I think 21.49.12 # Sweet, it worked, thanks much 21.49.18 # linuxstb: I found it, thanks, but is uses a pointer to a screen structure. How do I get that one? 21.49.56 # not *is but *it 21.50.38 # how much more battery drain do you think the 80gb is going to have (compaired to the 60GB would be the best comparason)? 21.51.45 # I think it won't be measurable during normal use (i.e. playback of any kind) 21.52.46 # ahh, so I will I be able to get atleast 10hours of battery life out of it? (btw: I'm using the 60mb build) 21.53.11 # *64mb 21.54.20 # mpeccorini: What are you trying to do? Display a list of games and allow the user to choose one? 21.57.56 # ok, linuxstb: what isn't supposed to be in the main directory? 21.58.02 # rockbox.gigabeat? 21.58.52 Quit amiconn (" reboot") 21.58.54 Part maffe 21.59.06 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 21.59.24 # Ghoulunatic: Yes, you should only have a rockbox.gigabeat inside the .rockbox folder 21.59.32 # ok... 21.59.33 # linuxstb: yes, but since a file will have a variable (possibly very large) number of games I've implemented my own dinamicly allocated list of entries 21.59.37 # still freezing 21.59.47 # And you updated the bootloader? 21.59.51 # oh shit 21.59.51 # no 21.59.53 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 22.00.37 # mpeccorini: I'm not sure of the details (or where an example is), but I'm sure the list widgets supports dynamic items via a callback function. 22.01.09 # mpeccorini: You can access the screens struct via rb->screens[MAIN_SCREEN] 22.01.55 # mpeccorini: A rather simple list example is the ID3 Info screen, in screens.c. 22.02.36 # that will do fine, thanks 22.02.48 # Lear: I've been meaning to ask you what the problem is with non-streaming mp4 files - is it not possible to support them in Rockbox? 22.02.58 Part maffe 22.03.02 # mpeccorini: You'd probably want to set the scroll_all argument to false though. :) 22.03.14 # linuxstb: where are the bootloaders? 22.03.20 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 22.03.31 # Ghoulunatic: See the Installation chapter in the manual - that has links 22.03.40 # ok 22.03.47 # Lear: why is that? 22.03.53 # linuxstb: When MoB is implemented, it can be done properly (i.e., without spinning the disk on track start). 22.04.12 # mpeccorini: Then all visible items in the list will scroll, not just the selected one. 22.04.17 # Lear: because it makes the text of all the entries scroll horizontally all at once? 22.04.25 # Yep 22.04.27 # Lear: Ok, thanks. 22.04.47 # that would look funny thou :p 22.05.04 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@p54BD73DC.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.05.08 Part maffe 22.05.16 Quit illriginal ("Leaving") 22.05.31 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 22.05.48 # Lear: Ah, so there is metadata not parsed by get_metadata() which is at the end of the file, and needed by the decoder? 22.05.56 Join Alienbiker99 [0] (n=alienbik@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net) 22.06.43 # Yep. The seek table, basically (which is also needed to detect gaps in the data to decode). 22.07.24 Quit petur (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.07.40 # Do you know which encoders produce such files? Does itunes? 22.07.53 # linuxstb: now it says "Bad Checksum 22.08.16 # and then it shuts down 22.08.24 # Ghoulunatic: You have the latest bootloader, and the latest Current Build of Rockbox? 22.08.26 # The encoder in Winamp is the one I've seen. 22.08.38 # yeah 22.08.44 # the bootloaders recognizes USB mode 22.09.00 # so what, re-reinstall the latest version? 22.09.40 # Ghoulunatic: Yes, I would delete the .rockbox on the gigabeat (and any copies of rockbox.zip you have laying around) and download the latest current build again. 22.10.08 # Now you have the latest bootloader, you shouldn't have problems - because you can use its USB mode. 22.10.20 Join krush1704 [0] (n=andikrus@p57BB0740.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.11.26 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 22.11.43 Quit Llorean (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.12.15 # linuxstb: I'm sorry to bother, but I can't find "MAIN_SCREEN" declared anywhere 22.13.11 # mpeccorini: Sorry, my fault - it's SCREEN_MAIN.... 22.13.33 # ok 22.17.26 # oh thank god 22.17.31 # linuxstb: thanks so much 22.17.58 # :O and the side buttons light up 22.18.01 # thats amazing 22.18.40 # Ghoulunatic: Glad it's working. So you had to get a screwdriver out and use the hotswap trick? 22.19.48 # yeah 22.19.55 # wasn't nearly as hard as it sounded 22.20.01 # ok, so my theme doesn't look right 22.20.25 # the peak meter is there and the layout is wrong 22.20.49 # http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=240x320x16 22.20.52 # Ghoulunatic: did you install the fonts package? 22.20.53 # I'm using Yellowjacket 22.20.56 # no :X 22.21.01 # wait, its been a while 22.21.03 # I think I did 22.23.10 # that theme seems to use album art which is not supported in official rockbox builds 22.23.20 # hmm 22.23.43 # linuxstb: thanks buddy, works like a charm 22.25.15 # unzip straight to K:\? 22.27.00 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 22.27.47 Join joa [0] (n=joe@86.154.248.20) 22.28.10 Part kaaloo 22.29.28 # http://shopdd.blog51.fc2.com/blog-entry-524.html 22.29.40 # one of the top referer page to the rockbox site this month 22.29.45 # pages 22.30.47 # whitch is better to use, the apple usb mode or the emergency one that rockbox defaults to? 22.33.06 # my protected files don't show up in RockBox...is this unsolvable? 22.33.12 # the main rockbox web site serves 12000 visits downloading 5GB per day, in average 22.33.19 # DRM protected that is 22.33.30 # jnitetime: rockbox doesn't support drm 22.33.44 # well...this sucks 22.35.02 # jnitetime: No, DRM sucks 22.35.35 # well when i said "this sucks" i was including both that DRM exists and that RB doesn't support it 22.35.36 # No, YOU ALL SUCK!!111 22.35.51 Quit annulus_ ("Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0") 22.35.58 # ... the rockbox download server gets 2000 visits downloading almost 5GB per day 22.36.04 # simmel: :'( 22.36.05 # ok... 22.36.16 # drm is something that the world could do without, behold the world of opensource, including rockbox. 22.36.28 # where's that installer app come from? 22.36.39 # I don't know 22.36.39 # installer for what? 22.37.03 # rockbox 22.37.31 # oh...h/o i think i've got the link here 22.37.50 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility fire this puppy up 22.38.16 # jnitetime: preglow is referring to the one at http://shopdd.blog51.fc2.com/blog-entry-524.html 22.38.23 # Which looks nothing like rbutil 22.38.24 # ah 22.38.49 # sorry 4 the confusion 22.39.02 Part ctaf 22.39.05 # To answer the question... http://www.ipodwizard.net/showthread.php?t=15153 22.39.46 # However, at this point rbutil is the better answer to installing rockbox 22.39.53 # wouldn't surprise me at all 22.40.02 # a1titude: Depends on the target. For some unknown reason on iPod Video and Nano the emergency disk mode is significantly slower than the one in the apple firmware 22.40.03 # Rockbox Installer X is no longer active 22.40.06 # Bagder: Can you update ipodpatcher and the ipod bootloaders on the download server? 22.40.10 # On the other ipods it doesn't matter 22.40.26 # iPod Linux is ok...i prefer RB, simply because i can access most  of my music easily 22.40.38 # linuxstb: sure 22.40.58 # Bagder: ipodpatcher is here (all platforms, including the much sought-after PPC) - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher-1.1.zip 22.41.21 # got it 22.41.30 # Bagder: The bootloaders are here - www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/bootloaders.zip - can you replace the existing bootloaders.zip with that file, plus also unzip it. 22.41.43 # You may also want to archive some things in ARCHIVE, but I'll leave that to you.... 22.42.02 # amiconn: I heard that, I just wanted a confermation, so I guess for large files (or lots of files) the apple one is the go, thanks 22.42.11 # Bagder: You can then update the news page ;) 22.43.06 # * amiconn wonders when the website will start using the svn www module again, or if it ever will... 22.44.00 # amiconn: the day someone does all the work of fixing it 22.44.38 # Can someone committ http://www.pastebin.ca/506070 ? It adds the BUTTON_SELECT mapping for the h10 so that test_codec will actually compile on the h10 22.45.23 # TrueJournals: That's not the right way to do it, but I'll change test_codec. 22.45.33 # OK, whatever you want to do 22.46.00 # dl server updated 22.47.19 # Bagder: OK, then Rockbox officially supports the 80GB... 22.47.26 # cool indeed 22.49.17 # "(Video - 30GB and 60GB models only)" should probably be removed from the list of supported players then... 22.49.47 # amiconn: what do you mean ? what's the svn www module ? 22.50.15 # Nico_P: The website sources are in svn, the same way as they were in cvs 22.50.32 # They're outside trunk/ so they don't get checked out by default 22.50.57 # is that a problem ? 22.51.05 # But the copy in svn doesn't match the current website atm, and they're not used anymore 22.51.19 # ah now I see the proble 22.51.34 # With cvs, they were used, and committing something to cvs updated the site, offloading some work from the server admins... 22.51.37 # if it were in SVN we could all improve it :) 22.52.06 # TrueJournals: Fix for test_codec committed - thanks. 22.52.21 # Thank YOU :-) 22.52.50 # amiconn: what would the fix need ? 22.53.40 # Syncing svn with what's currently on the site, plus fixing some server side scripts I presume 22.54.02 # so that when a commit is done the website gets updated ? 22.54.54 # Static pages aren't stored as-is in svn, they have a .t extension and used to be preprocessed on commit to generate the actual html 22.55.15 # (using cpp) 22.56.45 Quit lids (Remote closed the connection) 22.57.05 # what's cpp ? not the C preprocessor ? 22.57.18 # it is the C preprocessor 22.57.34 # YOu could just check out the www module to see what I mean 22.57.42 # To compile test_codec correctly... I need to add it to SOURCES, viewers.config, and... anything else? I feel like I'm missing something... 22.57.50 # so 80gb is officially added? 22.58.03 # There's also a sub-dir containing pictures from the first devcon, including the first attempts to build a tower of rockbox ;) 22.58.06 # * Nico_P looks at http://svn.rockbox.org 22.59.04 # when was the first devcon ? 22.59.09 # svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/www/ 22.59.37 # amiconn: How would you summarise the status of the 80GB port? (I'm updating the IpodStatus wiki page). What work is left to do? 22.59.49 # According to index.t in that dir, 2002-04-19 23.00.02 # It wasn't an official one 23.02.27 # TrueJournals: That's it, SOURCES and viewers.config 23.02.49 # Alienbiker99: Yes. 23.02.54 # linuxstb: OK, thanks 23.07.07 # linuxstb: Basically what my commit msg says. It works now, but I think the filesystem and fat driver should be adjusted to use larger sectors directly 23.07.14 Quit hannesd ("Client suicide") 23.07.36 # The advantage of the solution in the ata driver is that this work can be done in several steps 23.07.59 Join zerogmr [0] (i=411bd3a0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-123e7be8f14f6d3f) 23.08.07 # amiconn: I've summarised it (for users) as "More work on optimising the disk writing code is needed." 23.08.52 # does rockbox for the original black/white 20g ipod let you play videos 23.09.15 Join nikosapi [0] (n=nikosapi@ip-128.84.126.206.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net) 23.09.57 # amiconn: have you got a 5.5g ipod now? 23.10.18 # I would like to say thank you to whomever checked in the support for the 80GB iPods. I can't wait to play my ogg files!!! 23.10.32 # nikosapi: then amiconn is the one you should thank 23.10.37 # preglow: I just borrowed Linus' 5.5g, and will send it back soon 23.10.50 # amiconn: Thank you! 23.11.20 # amiconn: okay, are you keeping it long enough to do any further work on the issue? 23.11.42 Join pearldiver [0] (n=say@cpe-72-225-231-80.nyc.res.rr.com) 23.11.46 # Hmm 23.11.58 # I've been waiting probably 3 - 4 months for this, to bad I have to wait till tomorrow to play with it.. 23.12.06 # nikosapi: why? 23.12.11 # * amiconn is supposed to work on viewports, and time is a finite resource :\ 23.12.27 # I'm supposed to be studying... 23.12.42 # nikosapi: that does qualify as a reason, albeit not a good one :> 23.12.54 # amiconn: well, at least it's working now, i don't think you'll head many complaints on performance... 23.13.02 # I'm off, I can't thank you enough. bye! 23.13.06 Quit nikosapi (Client Quit) 23.13.22 # s/head/hear 23.13.32 Part jnitetime 23.13.34 # amiconn: very nice work! 23.14.06 # amiconn: Now crack the 2nd Gen Nano... ;) 23.14.13 # yes! that! 23.14.14 # preglow: fat driver performance sucks somewhat in general... 23.14.15 # hehe 23.14.18 # does Rockbox let you have videos on your ipod 23.14.19 # will my ipod charge while booted to rockbox? I can't seem to find any infomation in the manual. 23.14.30 # amiconn: sure, but top-performance isn't exactly very essential for what we do 23.14.38 # zerogmr: Yes, but not very well at the moment on the greyscale LCDs. 23.14.46 # my typing sucks again :/ 23.15.02 # a1titude: yes. 23.15.29 # but if you connect it to usb for charging the charging might be slower than the power drain from operating 23.15.31 # Bah, someone figure out how to use the radio on the H10! 23.15.36 # preglow: Most of the time it's not, but there are 2 operations where fs performance makes a big difference: (1) database build/update, (2) Deleting large directories, e.g. using disktidy 23.16.30 # Using dircache for (1) means roughly a 10x speedup, just because of the improved open() performance (everything else in the fs stays at the same speed or even becomes slightly slower) 23.17.11 # zerogmr: See the PluginMpegplayer wiki page - but support for greyscale LCDs in mpegplayer should only really be considered experimental. They may not be usable. 23.17.20 # I was surprised of how quick the full db rebuild on my H180 finished... 23.17.52 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 23.17.55 # linuxstb: It's not usable on any greyscale ipod, because the load from the greyscale lib makes sound stutter 23.18.25 # amiconn: everything else becoming slower using dircache is expected, i think, since the physical operation has to be done in addition to the dircache update itself, since we have no long-term fs caching 23.18.25 Quit zerogmr ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23.18.31 # amiconn: Yes, that's what I thought. I wonder if the latest libmad optimisations solve that. 23.18.37 # * amiconn would like to see test_disk logfiles from a nano 23.18.46 Quit krush1704 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.18.55 # amiconn: i can do one now 23.19.37 # bluebrother: how do you mean, connect it to usb for charging? Its as usb charger.. Or do you mean opposed to a wall outlet usb charger 23.19.50 # *a not as, lol 23.20.03 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@p549afca0.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.20.36 # a1titude: if you hole menu while plugging in the usb cable Rockbox won't reboot into disk mode 23.20.47 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.21.08 # that way you can charge from a usb port. But this currently doesn't draw that much power that the usb port can deliver, so charging is really slow 23.21.12 # amiconn: one run without dircache and one with? 23.21.29 # would be nice 23.21.31 # but there are Ipods around that come without a usb charger but only a usb cable 23.22.41 # preglow: Expect one run to take roughly 5 minutes, and make sure there is enough free space. 23.22.50 # so ... anyone cracked the nano 2G yet? ;-) 23.23.03 # The plugin needs enough space for ~10 seconds of writing data, so ~100MB should be enough 23.23.18 # Mine didn't come with a usb charger, just a cable, but I already had a usb charger that I bourght for my iAudio U2 - so am I better to use the wall charger or charge it in diskmode via the computer? 23.23.43 # create 1 files/sec, what the hell 23.23.50 # wow! 23.24.00 # Slower than all others, even the Ondio 23.24.10 # ...and the G5.5/80 23.24.13 # does these tests depend on file system structure? 23.24.17 # i have tons of small files lying around 23.24.18 # preglow: For reference, here's my log from my ipod video - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/test_disk_log_02.txt 23.24.44 # preglow: It just creates file for 10 seconds and counts them 23.25.09 # amiconn: yeah, and file system structure has no effect on how fast creat() is? 23.25.13 # Those files are all empty, so fragmentation *should* not have a significant effect 23.25.23 # i know nothing about fat 23.26.07 # so far the results look lousy 23.26.13 # far worse than linuxstb's 23.26.43 # as long as the file only needs one fat cluster fragmentation does not do much, but maybe how full the disk is may have some influence (hunt for empty clusters) 23.27.29 # petur: Well, fragmentation will hit if the directory needs to be extended 23.27.36 # i'll tidy up the disk and try again just for kicks 23.27.48 # ah yes, that's true 23.28.13 # But since it creates 1 file/second, there can't be more than 19, and one dir sector allows for 32 entries (and on the nano one cluster is most likely larger than 1 sector) 23.28.33 # (19 because of simple integer division) 23.28.36 Part TrueJournals 23.29.25 # but why would the nano be so slow? 23.29.33 # the flash itself should be capable of far, far more 23.29.47 # and if the ata->flash bridge is causing this, the designers have to be seriously incompetent 23.29.59 Quit Cassandra (" Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 23.30.25 # preglow: Did I say fat driver performance sucks somewhat? 23.30.34 # sounds somewhat like this nano is dog slow in emergency disk mode thing 23.30.52 # linuxstb's Video is the one that creates the highest number of files per second 23.30.52 # amiconn: well yeah, but why would flash perform worse than hd using the same fat driver? 23.30.53 # fat isn't suited well for flash memory 23.31.38 # delete 2 files/sec 23.31.42 # that's just bloody nasty 23.31.54 Join donutman25 [0] (n=chatzill@24.244.160.233) 23.32.02 # and this thing isn't even half-full 23.32.03 # 2 gigs 23.32.29 # File create: Recorder: 12 files/s, H340: 10 files/s, G5.5/80: 9 files/s, Ondio: 8 files/s, mini G2: 7 files/s 23.32.44 # writing seems to be faster than reading 23.32.46 # ehh... 23.32.55 # Yes, that's a known effect 23.33.22 # any good explanation? 23.33.38 # Caching 23.33.49 # right 23.33.50 # Happens on all PP targets 23.33.56 # U/A is unaligned/aligned, yea? 23.34.08 # yup 23.34.18 # is write & verify needed? 23.34.39 # That's not a speed test, but a data correctness test 23.34.47 # sure, but do you want me to run it? 23.34.51 # no 23.34.57 # okiedoke, doing dircache test now 23.35.05 # Iirc you already did, with the old simple version of test_disk 23.35.23 # ahh, yes 23.35.25 # yes i did 23.35.27 # (which only measured read & write speed for one very large buffer size) 23.35.56 # Writing is also faster than reading on the hdd based archoses 23.36.20 # * petur reverts his h300 back to v5 bootloader 23.36.24 # why? 23.36.25 # For those there is a very clear explanation looking at the cpu features 23.36.48 # petur: did the svn version give you problems? 23.36.56 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 23.37.10 # nls: yes, it hangs at boot 50% of the time :( 23.37.55 Quit donutman25 ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 23.37.57 # preglow: Was that referring to me or petur? 23.37.59 # nasty, heard any word about what's left before v6 can be released (apart from fixing that bug) 23.38.03 # amiconn: oh, petur 23.38.04 Join Siltaar_ [0] (n=Siltaar@reverse-52.fdn.fr) 23.38.11 # k 23.38.20 # but it's a valid question for you to, for that sake :) 23.38.26 # so feel free to answer 23.38.28 Quit Siltaar (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.38.49 Join lids [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-c8571f7f62eae5d9) 23.38.56 # I wanted to flash it during devcon but forgot, and the build Linus gave me today hangs after displaying batt voltage, about half the time 23.39.11 # The explanation for archos is in frmware/target/sh/archos/ata-as-archos.S line 138ff 23.39.11 # I get the impression it's a disk timing problem 23.39.40 # What's an "average" compression level for FLAC (like, 128kbps is an "average" rate for MP3, and other codecs...) 23.39.40 # petur: I remember there was a disk timing problem with an older version too 23.39.42 # Hehe, and there's a typo 23.39.51 # when it hangs the disk spins up just a bit later 23.40.38 # warp mode? :> 23.40.57 # Maybe that can be used as an abbreviation: inctruction == increment instruction ;) 23.41.17 # but what the hell is warp mode? 23.41.24 Join w0lfie [0] (n=samb@leibniz.catalyst.net.nz) 23.41.28 # preglow: warp mode == simultaneous access to internal & external bus 23.42.03 # TrueJournals: about 900kbit/sec dependign on the content tho, and compression level, encoder used etc.. 23.42.21 # It's something that can be enabled in the SH cpu 23.42.37 # hey all 23.42.42 Quit petur ("Zzzzz") 23.43.07 # has anyone had any experience with rockbox on an ipod 5th gen 80g player? 23.43.17 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 23.43.22 # nls: The encoder I'm using just gives me one option... Compression level... I want to test the H10's decoding ability using an "average" compression level... what should I use? 23.43.23 # i'm looking at buying one and am wanting to get any feedback on it? 23.43.30 # TrueJournals: personaly I would use the highest setting (8 I think) but I don't use lossless. I'm actually questing what codec I should use! lol 23.43.42 # http://www.pvv.ntnu.no/~thomj/rockbox/test_disk_log_nano.txt 23.43.44 # http://www.pvv.ntnu.no/~thomj/rockbox/test_disk_log_nano_dircache.txt 23.44.07 # w0lfie: rockbox just came out today, but It seems to be working really well on my 80GB as far as I can tell. so far. 23.44.15 # create and delete speeds are extremely funky, but at least consistent 23.44.16 # any theories? 23.44.23 # TrueJournals: iirc -5 is the standard compression level but with the latest flac -8 is fast enough for mee... 23.44.48 # OK, thanks 23.44.55 Join scorche [0] (i=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 23.45.04 # a1titude: that's good to know. have you given it a decent thrash yet? 23.45.17 # TrueJournals: I agree with a1titude and n1s - just use -8. It's _very_ slightly slower to decode than -5, but gives the best possible compression ratio. 23.45.31 # (all my music is flac, and I only use -8) 23.45.41 # w0lfie: I haven't had the time yet. 23.45.51 # I'll do a test with 5 and a test with 8 23.46.16 # In my testing, I'm also going to listen to the files to see if I can hear a difference in sound (I'm not really an audiophile :-\) 23.46.24 # preglow: Wow, open() is fast even without dircache... 23.46.27 # I would really consider myself an average person... 23.46.36 # next time I go to calgary will probably be the test, although I can't see that happening anytime soon... (6 hours_ 23.46.50 # preglow: What size nano is that? 23.47.44 Quit w0lfie ("leaving") 23.49.17 # Posted comment on flyspray, album art patch producing warning in latest svn 23.49.21 # TrueJournals: I would be curious to see the result of test_codec with a -5 and -8 encoding of the same file... 23.49.33 # Then I'll do those first ;-) 23.49.47 # You could also try -0 (the simpliest form of FLAC) 23.51.49 # Cue sheet maby? :p lol 23.51.53 # I'll do that... 23.55.00 # amiconn: 2 gigs 23.55.34 Join yossa [0] (n=chatzill@chello089076220047.chello.pl) 23.55.34 # amiconn: well, open() bloody well SHOULD be fast without dircache, what i can't understand is why the hell creat and delete isn't 23.55.39 Quit lids (Remote closed the connection) 23.55.40 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@166.205.19.12) 23.56.08 # i mean,C[C[C[C come on, a _second_ for creating a file, that's beyond insane 23.56.15 # what the hell happened in that line 23.56.45 Join mfgalizia [0] (n=micah@CPE000f66e3da54-CM0019479310b4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 23.56.53 Part mfgalizia 23.58.08 # linuxstb_: http://www.pastebin.ca/506247 23.58.52 Quit Llorean (Client Quit)