--- Log for 31.05.107 Server: pratchett.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 11 days and 18 hours ago 00.00.02 # stripwax: "we" don't control that host 00.00.15 # oh, hm, who does 00.00.25 # Jeff does, and I believe Llorean have pretty much powers on it 00.00.35 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@81.5.171.82) 00.01.27 Join lids [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-a2dcc3ee3152b5aa) 00.01.28 Join PMM [0] (n=chatzill@d149-67-75-107.try.wideopenwest.com) 00.01.46 Quit davina_ ("xchat on Ubuntu 7.04") 00.03.01 Quit PaulJam_ (Client Quit) 00.03.25 Part PMM 00.03.41 # stripwax: you could just adblock that script (assuming you're using firefox) 00.04.09 # heh, I'm not 00.04.30 Join ummon27 [0] (n=chatzill@d149-67-75-107.try.wideopenwest.com) 00.04.38 Quit merbanan (Remote closed the connection) 00.04.49 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 00.05.19 # can anyone out there help me get rockbox to read replaygain? 00.05.47 # What's the problem? 00.06.26 # i'm using foobar2000 v9 to scan/add replaygain, but i can't be sure if it's writing it to apev2 or id3v2 (the latter seems to be what rockbox needs) 00.07.14 # wow, binsize increased almost 1K for removing a couple of members in a struct... 00.07.23 # i'm kind of going insane by the lack of information that seems to be available out there on the net about how to tag replaygain in to id3v2 00.07.24 # * n1s scratches head 00.07.41 # Album Art isn't an official feature yet is it? 00.07.49 # Faemir: no 00.08.07 # i'll give it a skip. 00.08.31 # ummon27: id3 it wants, ape it does not 00.08.42 # ummon27: If you wait, I'm sure someone can help. Have you searched the Rockbox forums? 00.09.19 # maybe i'm a complete idiot at searching, but i've spent about an hour searching everything i could think of... 00.09.28 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54967efb.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.10.05 # it's to the point where i would almost be willing to manually enter the values in to id3v2 tags... if i only knew what the proper syntax was 00.10.39 Join ducbian [0] (n=Nick@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust33.cmbg.cable.ntl.com) 00.11.12 # n1s: maybe that increase is mi4 related? 00.11.47 # ummon27: it's quite easy with foobar. Just dig through the settings and set the tag format to id3v2 as default 00.11.50 # as it is, it seems that no matter how much i tell foobar to only write id3v2 tags, when i have it process replaygain, it still writes the values to apev2. or at the very least, it writes it to something that rockbox doesn't understand 00.11.52 # bluebrother: what do you mean? 00.11.53 Nick z35_1 is now known as z35 (n=z@adsl-1-20-27.dab.bellsouth.net) 00.12.06 # ummon27: the setting about tag types in foobar is under prefs -> advanced -> tagging, it writes ID3v2.4 (just stating v2 there), I don't know about the replain tags though 00.12.17 # ummon27: maybe the files already have ape tags? afaik foobar doesn't convert tags automatically 00.12.26 # s/replain/replay gain 00.12.48 # yes pixelma, that is what i've tried 00.13.06 # n1s: I see what you mean. Was too fast :o 00.13.34 # i set that up to id3v2 only and check the "force settings" option. then i've tried completely removing all tags from a file, and then running replaygain... still no good 00.13.40 # Can someone tell me the reason why there are custom builds? Are they just like incorporating extra features, like the album art? 00.14.19 # i mean, people out there are getting replaygain to work in rockbox, right? what method are you using? 00.14.24 # in foobar highlight files and under tagging choose remove tags 00.15.19 Quit kubiix ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 00.15.29 # ummon27: have you checked the tag type in the properties dialog? 00.15.37 # ok, for example, i just removed all tags from a file the way you said robin0800 00.15.53 # then assuming you have set id3v2 in settings choose rrwrite file tags 00.16.22 # there's no need to remove the tags first. Go to tagging -> Mp3 Tag types in the context menu of the file 00.17.13 # lastly do replay gain to check choose properties should seecorrect tags written 00.17.13 # i'll have to find an mp3 first bluebrother 00.17.20 # most of my collection is ogg 00.17.30 # :) 00.17.39 # ogg is a much nicer format anyway ;-) 00.17.51 # i need to convert my entire collection to ogg :\ 00.17.59 # yes, and there is no such option for ogg in the context menu 00.17.59 # that's why I was playing with rockbox earlier - thinking of switching my collection to ogg 00.18.02 # anyone know a good convertor that's free? 00.18.20 # robin0800, will try that 00.19.13 # make sure rockbox is set to use id3v2 tags first 00.19.57 # robin, i just realized, foobar's options only allow for setting default tagging methods for mp3 and mp4 00.20.07 # not ogg 00.20.30 # if it's oggs, shouldn't the tags be vorbis comments - and how does foobar handle that... 00.20.39 # does ogg even support apev2? 00.20.48 # that's what i was thinking pixelma 00.20.51 # no. 00.20.57 # ogg is only vorbis comment. 00.21.06 # foobar claims it can convert to ogg 00.21.23 # but, afaik, ape allows you to append it to any file type. 00.22.25 # btw, Faemir, if i were going to convert my collection to ogg, i would personally only convert from a lossless format such as wav or flac. if you have mp3s right now you should expect a loss in quality and would probably be better off sticking with the mp3s. 00.23.16 # can you use replay gain with ogg's ? 00.23.36 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 00.23.49 # Yes. 00.24.18 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.24.51 # ummon27, thanks. :( 00.25.00 # so does it read the vorbis comment? 00.25.56 # What do you mean by "it" ? 00.26.30 # replaygain works the same way with ogg as with mp3. The values are just stored in a vorbis comment instead of a mp3 tag. 00.27.28 # i think i'm beginning to realize where i've been a gigantic idiot in all of this 00.27.36 # testing something first 00.29.00 # good luck -- I'm out for today. 00.29.06 Quit bluebrother ("sleep ...") 00.31.46 # ok, still confused :( 00.32.16 Quit Faemir ("I could put something witty here, but no...") 00.32.27 # i found an mp3... i check "mp3 tag types" and none of them are checked 00.32.47 # how does that make sense? the file is definitely tagged 00.33.27 Quit XbOOPS () 00.35.13 # * n1s hopes someone can shed some light on this mp3entry struct mystrey tomorrow, gnight 00.35.17 Part n1s 00.36.38 Join NineLives [0] (n=me@c-24-1-6-241.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 00.36.50 Quit ompaul ("init 6") 00.37.16 Quit frosty () 00.37.47 # just tried replaygain with an ogg file using foobar and yes it does seem to work 00.39.38 # yeah, that was where i was being a gigantic idiot 00.40.09 # the problem it seems is that the mp3s in my collection aren't being processed correctly by rockbox as far as replaygain 00.40.59 # i'm in the process of undergoing a "rewrite tags" on all my mp3s after setting up foobar to only write id3v2... not sure what that will do 00.41.29 # other than take forever 00.42.56 # to see what it does try just one file write click it and choose properties the second tab wiill show the tags 00.43.15 Quit barrywardell () 00.43.35 # foobar is very fast at tagging etc 00.43.35 Join Noah0504 [0] (n=noah@66.141.89.20) 00.44.07 Join z0de [0] (n=no@80-194-233-59.cable.ubr01.enfi.blueyonder.co.uk) 00.44.21 # here's the thing 00.44.55 # Does anyone know the best way to sync music under Linux to an iPod running Rockbox? 00.44.57 # foobar properly applies replaygain when i'm playing in there 00.45.01 # but rockbox doesn't 00.45.18 Join Fu7urE101 [0] (n=future10@nc-71-49-52-84.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) 00.45.34 # so...I pretty much decided not to go back to appleOs 00.45.35 # lol 00.45.36 # and it's kind of a pain to go back and forth between the two to figure out if it's working on both :/ 00.46.12 # is rockbox set up properly for replay gain? 00.46.19 # absolutely 00.46.58 # here's a good question, what would a replaygain entry in id3v2 look like? 00.47.15 # not just enabled but told what mode to use 00.47.47 # /leave 00.47.51 # yes, i put both track and album replaygain on all my files, and i set up rockbox to use "track when shuffling" 00.47.54 Part Domonoky 00.47.58 Part Noah0504 00.48.11 # but i've tried always album and always track 00.48.18 # doesn't seem to help 00.48.57 # also you can use a wps tag to see what rockbox is doing and even how much gain is being applied etc 00.49.35 # yes, i've tried adding %rg to my wps and it shows up as two boxes 00.49.51 # which leads me to further believe that it isn't finding any rg info 00.50.11 # which leads me further to insanity 00.51.06 Join driver8` [0] (i=d@c-76-22-18-68.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 00.51.48 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.97.97) 00.52.26 # something else interesting, although foobar properly applies replaygain as i'm listening, my theme is set up to display replaygain info in the detailed track info panel, yet replaygain info is always blank there 00.52.39 # you can also read the tags in rockbox from the play back menu 00.53.07 # i'll try that 00.53.52 Join bospaadje [0] (n=bospaadj@ip82-139-84-212.lijbrandt.net) 00.54.09 Join lukaswayne9 [0] (n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 00.54.11 Join Azgarth [0] (n=Azgarth@ip54504f04.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl) 00.56.19 # i'm not sure where in the playback menu? settings -> general settings -> playback -> ? 00.57.52 # when its playing its a long select choose id3 info 01.00.06 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 01.01.54 # ok 01.02.31 # it looks like i've got it fixed... i just have to rewrite the tags like i thought 01.02.56 # thanks for all your help robin 01.05.31 # foobar can do that choose scan by album from tags and after the scan update tags 01.06.59 # both replay tags will be written and check with properties before and after 01.07.59 Join Vortex375 [0] (n=ich@p5B17218E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 01.08.09 Part TrueJournals 01.08.39 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 01.09.38 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.189.103) 01.09.45 Quit Azgarth ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 01.10.35 Join amigan [0] (i=dcp1990@unaffiliated/amigan) 01.10.52 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.10.54 Quit Entasis ("Leaving") 01.13.46 Join RogerBacon [0] (n=RogerBac@bas3-sherbrooke40-1242416783.dsl.bell.ca) 01.17.54 Join amigan_ [0] (i=dcp1990@ip70-181-22-88.ri.ri.cox.net) 01.18.38 Quit amigan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.18.40 Quit Soap (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.18.47 Join Soap_ [0] (n=Soap@host-69-95-92-143.har.choiceone.net) 01.18.55 Nick Soap_ is now known as Soap (n=Soap@host-69-95-92-143.har.choiceone.net) 01.19.36 # heh 01.20.38 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 01.21.58 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@63-226-219-199.tukw.qwest.net) 01.23.16 Quit Fu7urE101 () 01.24.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.26.15 Quit robin0800 (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Wibbly Wobbly IRC") 01.26.27 Quit midkay (Nick collision from services.) 01.26.30 Nick midkay_ is now known as midkay (n=midkay@63-226-219-199.tukw.qwest.net) 01.26.47 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC") 01.29.41 Quit Rincewind ("Cya") 01.32.30 Join secleinteer [0] (n=scl@70.230.171.248) 01.33.06 Part maffe 01.33.12 Quit RogerBacon ("Quitte") 01.38.00 Join Noah0504 [0] (n=noah@66.141.89.20) 01.38.13 Quit ducbian (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01.39.20 Quit Soap ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 01.41.41 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 01.42.38 Part pixelma 01.54.16 Part toffe82 01.55.49 Quit hax ("Lost terminal") 01.56.03 Nick jack_ is now known as chrisjs169 (n=jack@pool-71-114-145-182.hrbgpa.dsl-w.verizon.net) 01.56.12 Nick amigan_ is now known as amigan (i=dcp1990@ip70-181-22-88.ri.ri.cox.net) 01.57.43 Join hax [0] (n=hax@web.atl.citynetwireless.net) 02.05.00 Part TrueJournals 02.05.12 Quit mpeccorini (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference") 02.12.33 Quit entheh ("^~") 02.17.29 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-70-113-91-140.austin.res.rr.com) 02.18.40 Quit barrywardell () 02.18.56 Quit Thundercloud_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.19.35 Quit Vortex375 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.19.58 Join maelstrom [0] (n=maelstro@wikipedia/xx) 02.33.32 Quit jurrie ("Leaving") 02.40.15 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp257-220.adsl.forthnet.gr) 02.40.43 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B1718E.dip.t-dialin.net) 02.40.52 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 02.41.16 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-70-137-197-118.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) 02.45.21 Quit midgey () 02.52.56 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.56.21 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 03.01.03 Quit lids (Remote closed the connection) 03.05.33 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 03.08.32 Join lids [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-e3cb703512b3daff) 03.16.43 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B151B0.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.18.28 Quit lukaswayne9 ("Ex-Chat") 03.21.27 Part TrueJournals 03.21.36 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03.24.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.24.55 Join Drumr [0] (n=x@ool-44c2019c.dyn.optonline.net) 03.26.42 Quit Noah0504 ("leaving") 03.26.49 # can I suggest a fix to the website 03.28.24 # if somebody wants to download Rockbox they will be drawn to the "Download" label in the sidebar, and since "Releases" sounds more appealing than "Current build" that is what they will click on. Now if you don't have any "releases" available, instead of a page that says "Hey dumbass we don't do releases!" maybe you could just not have that link there? 03.29.33 # ^^i agree 03.30.07 # weems like a temp thing that was done, and was never replaced... 03.30.10 # seems* 03.30.26 # perhaps make "current build" plurl? 03.32.23 Join Soap [0] (n=Soap@host-69-95-92-143.har.choiceone.net) 03.38.49 # maelstrom: There IS a release available, it's just only for Archos users, and it's a bit old 03.39.01 # Some people still prefer to use it rather than a bleeding edge build, though, and those are the only two real choices 03.39.05 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 03.40.48 # As it is, people who go to "Downloads" without reading the manual first aren't going to get very far before they have to check the manual, and once they've checked the manual they should know exactly what they need. 03.47.08 Quit lids (Remote closed the connection) 03.49.21 Join lids [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-0471b6b3ac172b8c) 03.52.09 Quit secleinteer (Client Quit) 03.52.22 Join secleinteer [0] (n=scl@70.230.171.248) 03.56.08 Quit secleinteer (Client Quit) 03.56.20 Join secleinteer [0] (n=scl@70.230.171.248) 03.59.16 # nyone know where the id3 struct is actually initialized? 03.59.20 # its too short to grep for 03.59.29 # or rather where its declared i guess 04.02.02 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 04.02.54 Part TrueJournals 04.05.25 Join iPodPhoto [0] (i=46311bf3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7cb4125bf83d74d8) 04.11.57 # what's the chance that a flash chip can't be written to, but still can be read normally? 04.17.03 # okay, I just installed rockbox for the first time and wanted to test out the plugins. but i appear to be trapped in the solitaire game which is, by the way inferior to the one that comes with the original ipod firmware (so not a good first impression by rockbox so far) 04.17.34 Quit ummon27 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.18.21 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 04.18.39 # maelstrom: If you're basing your impression upon the games, you're not the target audience of Rockbox anyway 04.18.46 # maelstrom: Have you checked in the manual for controls for Solitaire? 04.19.39 # never mind, I was able to escape it. counterintuitively, the menu button deals a new card from the deck and holding down play resets the unit 04.20.12 # * Llorean sighs 04.20.18 # Please don't misuse "intuitive" 04.20.27 # Intuitively, "Play" would play the music. 04.20.33 # Which isn't what you expected it to do either. 04.21.32 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 04.21.56 # maelstrom: I'd also like to ask, where you got the impression we don't do releases? 04.22.40 # intuitively, menu would return to the menu. intuitively, play probably doesn't play music because there are a limited number of buttons on the ipod and they often get mapped to things other than what their labels. however the menu button is an exception 04.23.04 Join Brunellus [0] (n=luigi@unaffiliated/brunellus) 04.23.05 # Intuitivel, "menu" would bring up *a* menu, not necessarily take you out of the game. 04.23.12 # Meanwhile the holding Play is used as "stop" in Rockbox 04.23.16 Part Brunellus ("Ex-Chat") 04.23.22 # And "stop" might intuitively exit, if you've learned the controls 04.23.39 # Just as a point of argument 04.23.49 # You're welcome to submit a feature request if you think you've got better controls for it though 04.24.11 # Llorean how many times has this conversation gone on with ipod controls? 04.24.18 # Our Solitaire has been around since before Rockbox ran on iPods (and Rockbox came to iPods before Apple had games on them), and I don't yet think any iPod owner has taken the time to customize it 04.24.19 # I got the impression that there were no releases because the page says that there are no current releases and the last time there was one was, quote, "ages ago" 04.24.36 # maelstrom: That doesn't mean we don't DO releases 04.24.43 # In fact it's pretty darn clear that we have done them in the past. 04.24.48 # There's just not a current one. 04.24.50 # sounds like you "did" releases 04.25.03 Join Matt544 [0] (n=bamf_722@adsl-76-208-82-175.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) 04.25.03 # or else there would be a current one or one more recent than "ages ago" 04.25.04 # Does it say anywhere we've stopped? 04.25.08 # Why? 04.25.09 # can anyone help meeeeeee 04.25.11 # pleaseeeee 04.25.18 # maelstrom: You can't just instantly say 'Okay, we have a release' 04.25.24 # hopefully i can help 04.25.27 # My iPod is stuck on the Apple logo 04.25.29 # what is it 04.25.38 # video 04.25.41 # Matt544: reset the iPod, and turn on the hold switch, and see what happens 04.25.41 # 30GB 04.25.51 # what model 04.26.02 # maelstrom: There are a lot of conditions that need to be met before a release can happen, and those haven't been met for the 3.0 release yet. 04.26.09 Quit iPodPhoto ("CGI:IRC") 04.26.13 # Llorean, thank you 04.26.16 # It worked 04.26.38 # Well see everyone later 04.26.39 Part Matt544 04.28.19 # okay I have another suggestion. in the installation instructions for linux it says "Make sure ... that you have also installed the fonts package – see section 2.2.3 for more information" but the fonts package is actually referenced in 2.2.2 04.28.36 # oh and this is for the ipod video manual if it makes a difference 04.30.02 # Apparently it didn't get updated when the manual was adjusted. 04.30.15 # People were skipping sections, so some sections were rearranged and extra reminders were put in 04.30.38 # File a bug report for "Manual" and someone who maintains it will get right on it 04.30.56 # Well, by "right on it" I mean, "it'll happen when they're around and checking on bugs in the manual" 04.32.55 Join charkins [0] (n=casey@pdpc/supporter/active/charkins) 04.34.22 # * Llorean wonders if maelstrom has filed that bug report yet 04.34.56 # no sir I am more concerned with getting rockbox installed properly first 04.35.04 # is anyone her that can help me out in #ipodlinux ?? 04.36.42 # XbooX: This is #Rockbox 04.36.58 # maelstrom: If it boots and plays audio, you've installed it properly. 04.37.23 # maelstrom: But bugs and problems don't get fixed unless you file an actual feature request. Speaking out in here, when you don't know who's around or their involvement with the project, isn't likely to get things changed. 04.37.58 # It's like walking out into the street and shouting "Hey, my Taxes suck!". Everyone who hears you, in theory, is involved with taxes in some way, but that doesn't guarantee that they can do anything about it, or if they can, that they'll remember you by the time they get to work. 04.39.06 # it boots, and it probably plays audio (don't know because it doesn't see my songs), but the menu text is so small it is nearly unreadable (i don't have great eyesight) 04.39.21 Join Matt544 [0] (n=bamf_722@adsl-76-208-82-175.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) 04.39.27 # Well, assuming you installed the extra fonts, that's an easy change. 04.39.38 # And it'll see any songs that are on the device, and in a compatible format. 04.39.42 # Llorean: yes i know this is #Rockbox and thats why im not asking my ipod linux question(s) in here, but i know there are a few people that help out in both channels, i was just checking, sorry 04.39.48 # Does anyone know how you can load the original iPod firmware while still having Rockbox installed? 04.39.53 # Usually "doesn't see my songs" actually means "I don't know where my songs are located on the disk" or "I haven't updated the database yet" 04.40.04 # Matt544: Same instructions I gave you last time you were in the room 04.40.14 # ok then what do i do 04.40.18 # boot into disk mode? 04.40.38 # Matt544: Huh? 04.40.49 # Matt544: If you restart the iPod, and turn the hold switch on, it goes into the apple firmware... 04.40.51 Join jack_ [0] (n=jack@pool-71-114-145-182.hrbgpa.dsl-w.verizon.net) 04.40.56 # OK after I boot up, see the Apple logo........ 04.40.58 # really? 04.41.01 # hold on let me see 04.41.26 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04.41.56 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF78BF.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.45.28 Quit chrisjs169 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04.48.19 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@c-71-205-0-132.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 04.49.22 Quit mbr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.50.34 Quit Matt544 () 04.54.14 # so I see "Recording" in the menu. what do I have to do to get that to work, i assume it's not as simple as hooking a microphone into the headphone jack is it ? 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09.28.58 # just finishing mine... 09.28.59 # tea please 09.29.10 # * petur hands over blue cup 09.30.08 # B4gder: they have lattes? 09.31.13 # only for blue cups ;-) 09.31.27 # i will get mine soon enough! 09.31.55 # you need to give me an address and a few shirt sizes asap really, I need to ship this 09.32.36 # let me double check to make sure that i have all of them 09.33.13 Join linuxstb [0] (i=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 09.38.48 # * petur sees a new firefox update and hopes it will fix the crashing 09.38.48 # does anyone else feel the "searching" popup in the database navigation is really annoying? 09.39.12 Quit petur ("firefox restart") 09.39.18 # * B4gder never used the database... :-) 09.39.26 # I just tried it yesterday 09.39.41 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.39.48 # for my small test database anyway, the popup takes more time than the search (or so it feels, anyway) 09.40.29 # I can sympathise with having something that shows the interface has not hung when doing heavy searching. but this constant flickering is just ugly. 09.42.31 # maybe it should only show if it is taking more than a few seconds 09.43.12 # * linuxstb reads yesterday's logs about the mkfs.vfat problems on the 80GB ipod and thinks about adding a format option (and convert to FAT32) to ipodpatcher 09.43.33 # sounds like a good idea 09.43.52 # indeed 09.44.25 # Someone should tell the mkfs.vfat author/maintainer about the problem though (I don't understand it myself...) 09.45.03 Quit ducbian ("Leaving") 09.45.04 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust362.winn.cable.ntl.com) 09.49.32 Join Siltaar [0] (n=Siltaar@193.52.208.229) 09.51.07 Join nick89 [0] (i=nick89@c220-237-70-197.kelvn1.qld.optusnet.com.au) 09.51.07 Quit nick89 (Client Quit) 09.53.03 # Zagor: load the database to ram 09.53.08 # then there will be no pop-ups 09.53.54 Quit kubiix ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 09.54.43 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 09.54.47 # petur: did you see this one? ;) http://users.on.net/~disko/touchbsod.jpg 09.55.32 # Slasheri: aha. and that's a setting i presume? 09.55.51 # Zagor: not heard about the new microsoft thingy which i cant remember the name of? 09.56.25 # scorche: huh? 09.57.13 # http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/industry/4217348.html 09.57.24 Join webguest77 [0] (i=50c99c91@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4711b2ba0df785d6) 09.57.48 # scorche: yeah I saw that. I just don't get the connection? 09.57.55 Quit webguest77 (Client Quit) 09.58.30 # oh...nvm...it is getting late 10.01.01 # linuxstb: I'm not sure I understand the problem with the mkfs.vfat either - I'm not too tempted to try it out on my 80GB at the moment to find out the exact problem though. 10.01.20 # Zagor: yes, found from the database settings menu 10.01.37 # we could trick amiconn into ruining linusn's 80GB to experiment with ;-) 10.01.47 # Slasheri: does that permanently load the db to ram? i.e. decreasing the mp3 buffer size? 10.02.15 # Zagor: as long as the setting is enabled, yes 10.02.25 # heh, I'm not worried about "ruining" my ipod, I just have so much stuff on it now I'm loathe to have to back it up, and then load it all one again after I'm done fiddling =/ 10.02.39 # you don't have a backup? 10.02.48 # yes, and I doubt amiconn has much on linus' ipod... ;-) 10.03.16 # Slasheri: then I still think the popup should be removed/fixed for hd mode 10.03.19 # i wonder if a 5g ipod can deal with 2048k logical sectors... 10.04.26 # 2048 k or bytes? 10.04.34 # Are we even sure the mkfs.vfat problem is a problem with mkfs.vfat, and not a Rockbox problem? Does anything else have problems with such filesystems? 10.04.36 # markun: it was a matter of seconds before somebody would create that picture ;) 10.05.25 # they look happy though! ;-) 10.05.36 # great, my table turned blue! 10.05.41 # Zagor: popup for hd mode is necessary because searching is much slower 10.05.52 # petur: I have see such a BSOD on a huge screen in a train station one time 10.06.08 # I'm sure you can setup windows to just reboot, no? 10.06.10 # Slasheri: sometimes, yes. but most searches are near-instant and then the popup is only annoying. 10.06.17 # markun: yes 10.06.30 # Zagor: hmm, but it's hard to know which search is almost istant 10.06.37 # it's like the file browser showing a popup every time you enter a directory 10.06.42 # if hd needs to spin up, then it will take quite some time 10.07.03 # hehe, almost 10.07.07 # I disagree. hd spins are not slow enough to warrant a popup. 10.07.15 Quit kubiix ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 10.07.27 # also hd spin is shown with a LED (on most targets?) and physically sounds/feels in your hand. 10.07.39 # i added that popup because i felt that without it it's pretty annoying to use the database in hd mode.. 10.07.48 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 10.08.01 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 10.08.05 # I understand the purpose, I just feel it's too annoying 10.08.19 # (does ipod have a HD led?) 10.08.24 # we could add a "busy" icon to the statusbar which needs to be manually turned on and off in the code, less annoying than the splash... 10.08.29 # Zagor: How big is your database? 10.08.43 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-8d1a646d84a8edad) 10.08.59 # linuxstb: not very big 10.09.23 Join PaulJam [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3087.gwdg.de) 10.09.26 # linuxstb: according to some people in the forum post about the subject, the apple firmware can still read the resulting format of the mkfs.vfat filesystem on the 80GB 10.09.36 # I'm just thinking that with a "real" database, the splash might make more sense. 10.09.37 # JdGordon: yes either that or somehow trigger the popup after ~2 seconds wait 10.09.48 # however, I was a little worried about the fact that the fdisk output showed only a 19GB file system 10.09.53 Join evilnick [0] (i=evilnick@bb-87-82-13-133.ukonline.co.uk) 10.10.00 # this is, however, only from one user 10.10.05 # linuxstb: for some searches, yes. but others will always be quick. like genre and year list. 10.10.35 # Hi guys, anyone able to give some help on H1/300 remote units? 10.10.53 # ...and album list from an artist 10.10.56 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC") 10.11.26 # cgi irc is a pain in the ass 10.11.26 # in fact most searches are small no matter the size of the database. only very large result sets are slow. 10.11.34 # the sttus bar icon would work better seen as the funciton which is doing the splash proably doesnt kow its been waiting :p 10.11.44 # Up till yesterday, everything was working fine, but now I can't switch on the h300 using either the h300 remote or the h100 LCD remote, it's telling me that the hold switch is on when it isn't. 10.11.53 # JdGordon: agreed. hence the "somehow" :) 10.12.01 # Zagor: then there would be need for separate ui/message thread that can trigger the popup if the operation has delayed enough.. 10.12.05 # Also the buttons on the h100 LCD remote are switched round. 10.12.10 # evilnick: I found the remote connection on my H140 quite unreliable :( 10.12.48 # GodEater: good thinking, I'll try it/them on my h140 instead of on h300. 10.13.19 # Slasheri: doesnt really need an extra thread, but maybe having one to always redraw the statusbar instead of manually doing it in ever list would be nice... 10.13.27 # how expensive are extra threads anyway? 10.13.32 # evilnick: in my experience it was quite sensitive to vibration, I found the remote would pack up if I used it on a running machine at all 10.13.52 # JdGordon: hmm, statusbar sounds good.. 10.14.04 # JdGordon: not expensive in other ways than the iram usage 10.14.11 # Hmmm, this is more of an issue with the functionality having changed a lot since I last updated. 10.14.21 # wouldn't it be possible to draw the popup without a timeout and just not refresh the screen until the search is complete? so the popup is only shown as long as the search takes? 10.14.31 # Or me being a spanner, or the hardware malfunctioning... 10.14.34 # Slasheri: is it possible to force it to not use the iram for those functions? 10.14.53 # PaulJam: im pretty sure thats whats happening 10.16.05 # JdGordon: i was thinking that too, but if i understand Zagor correctly then the popup is displayed longer than the search takes. 10.16.42 # PaulJam: that was an exaggeration. 10.16.43 # * JdGordon would be surprised if that was the case 10.17.03 # I was merely annoyed at it flickering a popup even for "instant" searches 10.17.20 # yeah, its called with 0 timeout... so its working as it shhuold 10.19.13 Join Noah0504 [0] (n=noah@66.141.89.20) 10.19.16 # Hello, all. 10.20.39 # PaulJam: currently it is shown just as long as the search takes :) 10.21.04 # no, it's not displayed "too long" 10.21.09 # yes, it wa a misunderstanding, sorry for the confusion. 10.21.15 # Is there anyone who runs Rockbox on an iPod? 10.21.20 # database just "chunks" the search so the splash can't be constantly updating 10.22.05 # JdGordon: the iram is used to store thread context, not very easy to exclude it for some threads 10.22.16 # Noah0504: just ask the question 10.22.22 Nick Neovangl1st is now known as Neovanglist (n=Neovangl@chrisg.neovanglist.net) 10.23.10 # Oh, well, I was going to ask if there are any advantages to removing the Apple firmware: increased startup speed, etc... 10.24.44 Part maffe 10.25.00 Join linuxstb [0] (i=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 10.26.09 # Noah0504: Yes, if you remove the Apple firmware from the firmware partition, you can speed up the boot time. 10.27.24 # linuxstb: Okay, thank you. I want to know if there were any advantages before I start searching on how to do so. I also like the idea of having just Rockbox on my iPod. 10.28.01 # Try the IpodPatcher wiki page. 10.28.12 # Will do. Thanks again. 10.30.42 # http://www.ohloh.net/projects/3978# 10.30.45 # fun stuff 10.31.11 # Has anyone else noticed anything funky with the iRiver remote untis in the past month or so? 10.31.44 # "Over the entire history of the project, 86 contributors have submitted code. 55 have done so in the last year." 10.31.47 Join crop [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8d23012a14836801) 10.32.20 # Hm... How can removing of struct members lead to larger bin? 10.32.40 # B4gder: wow 10.33.13 # petur: check the committers' timeline, really cool ajax fluff 10.33.24 # * petur is just doing that 10.33.30 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 10.35.34 # * petur runs off to a meeting :( 10.35.43 # damn managers 10.36.09 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3087.gwdg.de) 10.36.36 # crop: member alignment? 10.37.07 # I find the results of nls' changes quite puzzling as well 10.37.50 # Could it be that unaligned members result in the compiler having to access byte-by-byte? 10.38.03 # Okay, does this sound like it would work? Formatting my iPod under Linux as Fat32 and then using ipodpatcher -wf to overwrite the Apple firmware? 10.40.29 Join linuxstb [0] (i=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 10.40.40 # Noah0504: Why reformat it? 10.41.01 # * linuxstb is having a bad ADSL morning 10.41.07 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 10.41.24 Join PaulJam__ [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3087.gwdg.de) 10.41.40 Quit PaulJam (Nick collision from services.) 10.41.44 Nick PaulJam__ is now known as PaulJam (i=Paul@vpn-3087.gwdg.de) 10.41.55 Quit PaulJam_ (Nick collision from services.) 10.41.59 # linuxstb: Well, I suppose I don't know. I guess I could just remove everything from it. I've reorganized my music on my computer, and I want Rockbox to reflect that for easy updating. 10.42.51 # Noah0504: so just delete all the files in your music dir on your ipod and copy them fresh from your host pc 10.43.44 # B4gder: Yeah, I suppose I will. 10.44.20 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 10.44.30 # Noah0504: You have two options for removing the Apple firmware - use -wf to write the Rockbox bootloader, or -wf to write rockbox.ipod. I would do the first, as it makes it easier to update Rockbox (you just unzip rockbox.zip, rather than having to remember to re-run ipodpatcher). 10.45.43 # Ahh, okay. 10.46.37 # You can get the current bootloader.ipod files from here - http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ 10.46.59 # * linuxstb needs to add an option to "-wf" the embedded bootloader... 10.47.26 # * linuxstb can't think of a name for that option though 10.48.12 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC") 10.48.18 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 10.51.51 # What is the iPod Video 64MB build? 10.52.16 # Noah0504: it's for the ipods with 64MB of memory 10.52.49 # LinusN: haha, Okay, I assumed, but wasn't for sure. Are those the 5.5Gs? 10.53.04 # Noah0504: I think we are not sure :) 10.53.15 # at least for the 5g 60GB 10.53.33 # maybe for all the 5.5s's 10.53.34 # Noah0504: they are the ipods with 60GB or more disk, IIRC 10.53.34 Quit _Veseliq_ (Remote closed the connection) 10.53.35 # B4gder: I've copied ~5GB of music to it, but I have everything in several places anyway 10.53.47 # Noah0504: which one do you have? 10.54.06 # markun: I have a 30GB 5g. 10.54.32 # ok, that one has 32MB 10.57.28 # Ahh, well, I have everything in order now. 10.58.00 # Although, I need to find an easy way to actually sync my music. 10.58.43 # I just use rsync 10.59.04 # Noah0504: which OS do you use? 10.59.28 # I'm running Linux. 10.59.37 # Ubuntu to be specific. 10.59.54 # Ubuntu includes rsync ... 11.00.07 # Well, I'll have to give it a spin. 11.00.57 # rsync -av is reasonably fast and verbose 11.01.06 # Galois: Thanks. 11.01.28 # rsync is your friend 11.01.39 # soon to contain code by me 11.01.41 # ;-) 11.01.51 # B4gder: Nice. :) 11.04.15 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@rockbox/administrator/Llorean) 11.05.29 # Zagor: Only the minority of targets has a real hdd led. The others have that little hdd icon in the status bar. 11.05.36 # ok 11.05.55 # I don't think the db splash is annoying. It disappears as soon as the search finished 11.06.23 # the flickering is annoying. do you want a splash in the filebrowser too? 11.06.33 # no 11.06.34 Quit Soap (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.06.44 # what is the difference? 11.06.48 # But db searches take significantly longer than just the spinup 11.06.53 Join Entasis [0] (n=Jarred@ppp7-94.lns10.adl2.internode.on.net) 11.06.58 # a few do, most don't 11.06.59 # might take at least 11.07.12 # They often do (on archos anyway) 11.07.26 # rsync: chgrp "/media/IPOD/." failed: Operation not permitted (1) 11.07.36 # What's that mean exactly? 11.07.41 # artist list takes a long time. artist->album doesn't. album->tracks doesn't. etc. 11.09.01 # it means vfat doesn't implement group ownership properly? 11.09.15 # pondlife: Removing struct members doesn't result in members becoming unaligned wrt their size, unless the struct is 'packed' whichisn't the default 11.09.33 # Hmm... 11.10.10 # I guess you could use rsync -rtv if you really don't like seeing that error 11.10.13 # But it might happen that members acquire an address that's more difficult to load, especially on arm with it's 'special' constant handling 11.10.36 # Galois: Okay. 11.11.21 # There's a relatively simple way to find out. Make 2 builds and compare the .map files to find the module(s) where code size increases. Then disassemble both versions of those module(s) and see.. 11.12.23 # Galois: I mean, is that error actually affecting anything, or should I just not worry about it? 11.12.50 # it doesn't affect anything; don't worry about it 11.13.02 # Galois: Well, that works for me, haha. 11.13.20 Join obo [0] (n=obo@host217-41-62-170.in-addr.btopenworld.com) 11.14.57 # linuxstb: perhaps -we (for 'write embedded') ? 11.15.44 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 11.15.50 # rsync is amazing. Thanks for sharing it with me. 11.15.51 # haha 11.16.38 Join Soap [0] (n=Soap@host-69-95-92-143.har.choiceone.net) 11.17.44 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 11.18.47 # Rsync is nice, but it lacks two-way synchronization -- e.g., when both ends contain modified files, one end always overrides the other regardless of which end has newer changes. 11.19.38 # Yeah, I can see how that would be a nice feature, but for me syncing music to my iPod, it's great. 11.19.41 # yes, and even worse, sometimes people think it has two way synchronization, and lose their work 11.19.55 # unison has two way synchronization, but it's not included by default 11.22.43 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-3d8b4b1d3edee292) 11.23.14 # amiconn: "write embedded" works for me, thanks. 11.24.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.25.00 # pondlife: if it's member alignment, can't it be achieved with some compiler pragma? Having unneeded members just for the sake of alignment is ugly and very fragile 11.25.26 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3087.gwdg.de) 11.29.45 # crop: It's not an alignment problem in the classical sense, see my remarks ~15 min ago 11.31.55 # Galois: I should try it, thanks. 11.33.53 # amiconn: but if those members are removed in the middle then there must have been other "badly placed" members, i.e. the overall situation should not dramatically change. Or do you mean that the members that (after removal) become 'bad alignment' are accessed more frequently? 11.34.49 Quit kubiix ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 11.36.36 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 11.39.23 # crop: Only way to find out is what I described... 11.41.57 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.42.29 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 11.47.01 Quit PaulJam_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.47.24 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 11.47.53 # amiconn: yes. But in general: can sh1 based cpus access members with higher offset in a more effective way than those with lower offset? 11.50.55 # * JdGordon thought it was the opposite 11.52.28 # crop: Members with very low offsets can be accessed efficiently, above this limit it doesn't matter 11.52.58 # For arm it's quite difficult to predict efficiency, as it depends on the range of bits set int the address offset 11.55.17 # The efficient offset range for SH is (0..15)*data_size, where data_size is 1, 2 or 4 11.57.14 Join webguest52 [0] (i=3edb6101@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6d9c2601abe6de8f) 11.58.25 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 11.59.19 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.64.30) 12.00.33 Part maffe 12.00.46 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 12.01.56 # amiconn: Do you know about Coldfire? The deltas seemed to be even bigger there than ARM. 12.03.29 # Compile 2 builds, check .map's, disassemble modules and see... 12.03.36 # * amiconn repeats himself 12.05.35 # amiconn: No need to repeat yourself - you speculated about the cause on ARM, so was just wondering if you had ideas about the reason on Coldfire (I don't know Coldfire ASM at all). 12.05.53 # does anyone have a audio of clip of quigmire goign "gigeddy giggedy" ? 12.08.58 # * linuxstb has absolutely no idea what JdGordon is talking about 12.09.07 # plz help... I did update my rb sources and since I can't compile... I got "no rule to make stubs.c needed by /apps/bookmark.o " 12.09.23 # family guy... :'( 12.09.25 # and I found nothing in the forum 12.09.26 # i now have an irc log of JdGordon going nuts :-) 12.10.20 # Siltaar: you can try to delete everything from your build dir and start with tools/configure again 12.10.41 # how should it work in a normal time ? 12.10.52 # markun... I did made a new build dir 12.10.56 Quit webguest52 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 12.11.41 Quit Noah0504 ("leaving") 12.12.43 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 12.13.49 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@host.91-92-172-170.airbites.bg) 12.14.10 # I try to build for sansa (choice 50 in the configure script) 12.14.44 # Are you building the simulator or for the real device? 12.14.55 # simulator 12.15.33 # Do you have the uisimulator directory? 12.15.51 # (at the same level as apps, firmware, etc) 12.15.58 # among src folders ? 12.16.30 Join jaczehack [0] (i=d572f7b7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0b4863e2e4f73671) 12.16.30 # yep (common sdl battery files) 12.17.38 Quit jaczehack (Client Quit) 12.18.12 Join jaczehack [0] (i=d572f7b7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4f3eb3a410047c13) 12.18.14 # there's a Makefile here 12.18.34 Join haemmy [0] (n=stefan@194.208.162.140) 12.18.38 # how should it work for a uisimulator compilation ? 12.18.55 # The same as a normal compilation - "mkdir build-e200sim ; cd build-e200sim ; ../tools/configure ; make" 12.20.16 # ok, so that's what I do 12.20.22 Join webguest75 [0] (i=3edb6101@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1e12cf4a9a97b8b3) 12.20.40 # stubs.c is in the uisimulator/common/SOURCES file 12.21.04 # hi, I want to add support for the ami adpcm wav codec (used by alot of cheap mp3 players for voice recording).ffmpeg seem to have support for this (http://ffmpeg.mplayerhq.hu/ffmpeg-doc.html#SEC25), but I'm abit at a loss about implementing it in rockbox. 12.21.26 # Without knowing everything you've done in the past, it's hard to say how you've broken it. But you have done something wrong - the current build table doesn't show problems with the e200 sim. 12.21.57 # webguest75: What's the difference between that and normal adpcm wav files (which I think Rockbox already supports) ? 12.22.36 # Siltaar: yoy using svn or a source tarball? 12.23.17 # today updated svn (I have this problem since last week) 12.23.36 # linuxstb: I think currently rockbox supports only dvi adpcm 12.23.52 Quit tchan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.24.03 # webguest75: Are they in .wav files? 12.24.06 # and nothing is reported merged 'M' 12.24.13 # Siltaar: and you've rerun configure recently? 12.24.24 # yes, in a new build directory 12.24.44 # Siltaar: can you paste the exact and full error message in a pastebin somewhere for us to see? 12.24.56 # i don't understand your queation 12.25.11 # I will 12.25.12 # *question 12.26.00 # webguest75: "wav" is a container format capable of storing many different audio types - I'm asking if these files are WAV, or if they are using a different container format. 12.26.45 # webguest75: Or put another way, what file extension do they normally have? 12.27.15 # amiconn: but if the cpus behave as you described then removing members should only make the offset lower. Which should result in smaller bin. That's what I don't quite get: how moving some members to higher offset can result in more effective code, regardless of the cpu 12.29.11 # linuxstb: yes, they are a type of WAV, they have a WAV extention 12.29.43 # webguest75: OK, that makes it easier to support in Rockbox. You need to add support in apps/codecs/wav.c - that's Rockbox's WAV codec. 12.29.54 # B4gder, http://pastebin.wikistuce.info/?696 12.30.41 # B4gder, nothing is reported merged but, it must have merged things, I did modify the sudoku plugin so... 12.30.54 # webguest75: If they were a different format, you would have to add a complete new codec. 12.30.57 Quit _Veseliq_ (Remote closed the connection) 12.33.49 # linuxstb: ok, I'll see what I can do... 12.36.22 # Siltaar: can you paste your file called apps/dep-apps in the build dir? 12.36.43 # fairly large... 12.36.53 # mine is ~150K 12.37.11 # the error message might indicate a problem in that file 12.37.25 # which is the generate dependency file that make uses for the build 12.37.33 # for some reason stubs.c caused me problems ages ago also 12.37.50 # it did? 12.37.57 # it has a dependancy on menu.h iirc for some reason 12.38.09 # I tihk thats what was causing my problems 12.38.41 # ... had.. seems t be gone now 12.38.45 # but why is that a problem only to a rare few? 12.38.56 # depends what changes you make 12.39.06 # ? 12.39.25 # wait a sec, is the problem with a clea tree or a patch? 12.39.46 # (hum, I had for sure a conflict with the sudoku.c ...) 12.40.00 Join Faemir [0] (n=daniel@85-211-222-38.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk) 12.40.49 Quit crop ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 12.41.53 # Can someone tell me why using an unsupported build (senab's) still hasn't got album art skins to work. (the top is ok, but the bottom looks like the default layout with the double analyser). 12.42.24 # Siltaar: anyway, you should try building a clean unmodified build 12.43.12 # yep 12.43.39 # Faemir: You should ask the build author or thread any problems you have with the build 12.44.04 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 12.44.49 # ok 12.45.17 # and lock at the wiki page about album art ^^ 12.45.27 # helped me 12.46.22 # webguest75: did you mean ima instead of ami? 12.48.05 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 12.48.12 # yes, sorry :) 12.48.18 # markum: yes... 12.49.28 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 12.51.13 Join webguest25 [0] (i=4a841a2a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d90a7d14eab69b10) 12.51.37 Quit linuxstb_ (Nick collision from services.) 12.51.40 Nick linuxstb__ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 12.51.47 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@host.91-92-172-170.airbites.bg) 12.53.19 # Hello, When I load a wps on my iriver H10 20gb, It dosent show up. All I see is the default screen. How Do I lload a WPS 12.53.38 # linuxstb: I've naver done codec implementing before, and I can't figure out what needs to be taken from ffmpeg's adpcm.c file (http://svn.mplayerhq.hu/ffmpeg/trunk/libavcodec/adpcm.c?view=log), and what to do with it in rockbox (I assume it should be added to wav.c..) 12.53.59 # webguest25 --> go to options page 12.54.07 Part maffe 12.54.31 # there somewhere is a option "show themes" 12.54.32 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 12.54.52 # They don't show up there!!! I selected it manualy and it said it was lloaded... 12.57.20 # webguest25: it's probably a buggy theme 12.57.25 # webguest25: try a different one 12.57.28 # then it should be loaded an shown 12.57.53 # haemmy: the default behaviour for broken wps's is now to show the default screen instead 12.58.07 # ah ok 12.58.33 # webguest75: You won't be able to just blindly copy and paste without understanding what's going on, and how these files are structured. If I was you, I would do some background reading about WAV and the IMA ADPCM codec, and also study Rockbox's wav.c file until you understand it. 12.58.37 # webguest25 : have you got the latest version of the theme? 12.58.55 # sry false highlight 12.59.25 Nick haemmy is now known as haemmy|afk (n=stefan@194.208.162.140) 13.00.10 # GodEater: There's no "error in WPS file" spash? 13.01.54 # I loaded three to my player, and tried them all. And yes i have the lkatest one, i downloaded them today 13.02.05 # not that I've seen - but my build is a bit out of date :) 13.02.25 # * petur discovers austriancoder is writing a blog to about his SoC project, nice to read he is working on it 13.03.07 Quit webguest25 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 13.04.53 # imho, the usbotg arch image looks strange 13.05.17 # yes 13.05.59 # his blog sounds better than the wiki page 13.06.42 # is panic() the only way to get it tto panic? there is only one call in apps/ and its not in the form i tihnk im looking for 13.07.05 # unless '*PANIC* recfile: -116' isnt a real panic? 13.07.28 Quit webguest75 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 13.10.54 # found it... go me :) 13.11.03 # stupid mpeg.c being i firmware/ and not apps/ 13.12.16 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 13.13.05 # is there anyway to debug mpeg.c without the target? 13.13.36 # ah, it is in the sim.. 13.14.39 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 13.14.39 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 13.16.39 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 13.17.28 Quit jaczehack ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 13.21.15 # JdGordon: Afaik mpeg.c doesn't simulate recording precisely enough to be useful for debugging this panic 13.21.53 # The -116 provides the call traceback which leads to the panic 13.22.53 # the only panicf in mpeg.c with the word recfile is when the file couldnt be opened... just gotta figure out where that FILE_NEW event is sent to the tread i apps to stop it properly 13.24.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.25.10 Join webguest75 [0] (i=3edb6101@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-40d124aedd423be5) 13.25.35 Join jurrie [0] (n=jurrie@adsl-068-209-041-021.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) 13.25.42 # linuxstb: this seems to be way over my head. so I gues I'll just post a feature request and hope someone feels like doing this :( 13.28.28 # * JdGordon is lost in the recording code :'( 13.34.08 Quit webguest75 ("CGI:IRC 0.5.7 (2005/06/19)") 13.44.25 Quit _Veseliq_ (Remote closed the connection) 13.48.45 Part Llorean 13.51.14 Join Rincewind [0] (i=FAHIF4Bk@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 13.53.32 # does anyone know the rough time that a video ipod (30gb) will run for on rockbox? 13.53.53 # wiki IpodRuntime 13.55.16 # thanks :D 13.58.03 Join cax [0] (i=c073eb02@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e49cc574221b7dd4) 13.59.25 Join cax_ [0] (i=c073eb02@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3c93531eecb1a05d) 14.00.47 # if in sim everything works, but on device itself I get Data Abort for some unknown reason, is there any way to debug the problem ? 14.01.43 # cax_: data alignment problem? 14.03.03 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 14.03.29 Quit cax ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 14.05.54 # petur: maybe. Should every address be a multiple of 4 ? 14.05.58 Nick cax_ is now known as cax (i=c073eb02@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3c93531eecb1a05d) 14.06.12 # iirc, yes 14.06.49 # let me see... addr=33304026 ... heh, it seems you are right. 14.07.43 Part maffe 14.07.57 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 14.17.18 # cax: Not every address needs to be a multiple of 4, but all data items need their addresses to be aligned to their size (1, 2 or 4 bytes) 14.18.05 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 14.18.53 Quit B4gder ("It is time to say MOOO") 14.21.04 Join pixelma [0] (i=d5494dbd@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 14.21.28 # hey pixelma, do you still have 2 folders? 14.24.40 # wow... lagging inernet connection and lagging webclient.... 14.25.06 # nope, atm I only have one folder 14.26.09 # bugger.. i was hoping that might have caused the panic 14.26.42 # does it panic if you try a hard disk folder? 14.27.23 Join Pimpdaddypayne [0] (n=Tux@cpe-065-184-162-064.ec.res.rr.com) 14.27.32 # Does anyone here have a real 'ghetto' voice? 14.27.57 # reading the logs - rockbox supports "ima adpcm" in a wav container. At least mine play even though the song length info is way of (but that might be because mine have an unusal bitrate too) 14.28.10 # *off 14.29.03 # JdGordon: I'll try 14.29.08 # ta 14.29.28 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-00da2ab10ff98e2d) 14.33.41 # JdGordon: it panics too (with the same info) 14.33.58 # this is gonna be a pita to debug :'( 14.34.34 # its failign to open the file... so somehow have to figure out which fil e it is trying... but we cant use splash() :( 14.35.02 # can't use a splash? 14.35.23 # its in firmware... not apps 14.35.27 Join shnee [0] (n=CurtyD13@cpe-24-210-44-101.columbus.res.rr.com) 14.35.30 # have to add it to the panic call i guess... 14.35.32 # * petur used splashes to debug the FAT driver 14.36.36 # just temporarily copy and include the required headerfile(s) 14.36.42 # Nah 14.36.53 # JdGordon: the first patch worked - as long as I didn't remove the MMC 14.37.10 # Even simpler - declare the function in mpeg.c at the top 14.37.25 Part shnee ("Konversation terminated!") 14.37.37 # JdGordon: What about the strange things in the sd patch I mentioned? 14.37.57 # (replicating the Ondio MMC behaviour where it shouldn't be necessary) 14.38.13 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 14.38.17 # in ata-e200.c or the hotswap code? 14.38.48 # if its in ata-e200.c then thats toni's code, not sure what its doing... 14.39.14 # The hotswap code 14.39.46 # probably just put it there to replicate the mmc code as it is.. 14.40.18 Quit midgey () 14.41.21 Quit xvlun ("leaving") 14.42.03 # we are still having problems with the sd code, so there is no rush to put it in.. so I havnt looked at it more just yet 14.42.11 # how in rockbox the work is splitted between 2 cores ? Can I fork() or do anything else to make things work in parallel ? 14.43.50 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 14.44.34 # pixelma: got a bit of time t debug this? 14.45.06 # no, not here 14.45.20 # if open returns <0 does the number mean anything? or ... 14.45.48 # pixelma: ok 14.46.00 # JdGordon: Sure it does 14.46.21 # I already mentioned that the -116 provides a traceback... 14.47.23 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54b17941.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.47.28 # not quite sure what you mean there... 14.47.32 Join Naked [0] (i=naked@naked.iki.fi) 14.47.42 Nick Naked is now known as Hadaka (i=naked@naked.iki.fi) 14.48.07 # Most functions in rockbox which fail due to calling a lower level function return error_code_of_lower_level_function * 10 + own_error_code 14.48.12 Part TrueJournals 14.48.46 Join tchan [0] (n=tchan@lunar-linux/developer/tchan) 14.48.53 # * JdGordon was hopgin you wouldnt say that... open fails with rc*10-9 after lseek which is where is must have failed... 14.51.31 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-037c58e1e0fb000a) 14.57.47 # pixelma: does tring t record to just / panic also? 14.58.20 # * linuxstb likes the ffmpeg patch submission checklist - http://ffmpeg.mplayerhq.hu/ffmpeg-doc.html#SEC41 15.00.38 # JdGordon: when trying to clear the recording directory I get the ""Can't create / directory. Error code -3." again 15.01.11 Quit cax ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 15.01.38 # ok 15.02.51 # and then it panics (don't know where it wanted to write to) - hope, I'll don't have 2 root directories now or something like this 15.04.11 Quit Pimpdaddypayne ("Leaving") 15.05.12 # * JdGordon hopes not also :) 15.06.05 # ok, I don't :) 15.06.25 # ok, this is sort of nice, the h300 shows the same thing, but no panic.. so ill see what I ca come up with 15.07.03 # got to leave soon again, anyways. Won't have the possibility to join until the evening probably 15.08.28 # no worries, ttyl 15.09.17 # * Faemir is away: Away 15.14.47 Quit pixelma ("laters") 15.17.21 # * JdGordon wondering why mkdir is returning <0 when it does create the directory successfully 15.18.08 Join jac0b [0] (n=jac0b@gifn3.fpl.com) 15.22.26 # hu-hum 15.23.05 Join roro87 [0] (i=52291ba0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ae6fa5907ccfc100) 15.23.19 # hello 15.23.28 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007040314]") 15.23.52 # so, the next time someone complain about strange compilation error, 15.24.36 # he would be advised to double re-watch its svn-conflicted files :-) 15.24.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.24.52 # what was the problem? 15.24.53 # has anyone been dissabling the archos jukebox here ? 15.25.32 # JdGordon, a conflicted file, inducing old bad dependancies 15.25.42 # roro87: dissabling? 15.26.59 # JdGordon: The cursor jumping when you're moving 1 row per second isn't a bug? 15.27.11 # dissassembling sorry 15.27.16 Join secleinteer [0] (n=scl@70.230.171.248) 15.27.35 # linuxstb: no, its bad settings 15.27.49 # movin at that speed is not normal 15.28.07 # im looking to replace the stereo jack, but don't know which reference it is... 15.29.57 # JdGordon: How is it bad settings, and why can't someone move the cursor that slowly if they want to ? 15.30.52 # thats the speed that the default setting goes at i think... 15.31.54 # and its only possible on the sansa (and possibly ipod) because there isnt button_release events on the wheel? 15.32.02 # So moving the Sansa's wheel one click per second sends repeat events, kicking in your acceleration code? 15.32.51 # apparently 15.33.08 # * JdGordon doent have his sansa with him to play though 15.34.00 # It sounds like a bug (or at the very least, undesirable behavour) to me, but I've never touched a Sansa. 15.34.23 Quit roro87 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 15.35.04 # reopened... 15.36.03 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.218.75) 15.37.55 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 15.45.38 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@dslb-088-072-223-223.pools.arcor-ip.net) 15.52.48 # * petur sees thundercloud outside his window :) 15.53.30 # there's also ones here at Tours in France 15.53.55 # amiconn ? are here ? 15.54.03 # if you are here knock one time 15.54.18 # if you are'nt here, knock two times... 15.54.41 # * petur watches Siltaar getting knocked down 15.58.18 # hum... is it an existing file stubs.h ? 15.59.58 # i have no stubs.h at all 16.01.10 Join yan [0] (n=yan@87.107.70-86.rev.gaoland.net) 16.01.32 Quit jac0b ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]") 16.02.03 # Hi Guys: I'd like to know : whih difference is there bitween the ipodvideo port and ipodvideo64mb port ? 16.02.15 # (found on http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml) 16.02.21 # JdGordon: I've just been trying the list acceleration on my ipod, and can't decide if I like the behaviour or not - i.e. the fact that it accelerates based on how long you've been constantly scrolling, not how fast. On the one hand it's nice to not have to spin the wheel like a maniac to scroll through long lists, but on the other hand it's now impossible to scroll through a list slowly. 16.03.18 # * linuxstb wonders what other think of it on the ipod 16.03.23 # ^others 16.04.09 # yan: The 64MB version is for ipods with 64MB of RAM. i.e. the 80GB and 60GB models. 16.04.42 # Great: I didn't know that the 80gb was a 64mb ram-sized. 16.06.08 # I have another question: Because I'm blind, I'll use speech support into Rockbox. I'll soon create a new version of the "French" voice file to reflect all last changed messages into the firmware. Where should I post/send this file when it will be done ? 16.06.39 # Are you using a speech program that allows you to redistribute files generated with it? 16.07.50 # I think yes: I'll use speech-dispatcher (with a imbtts driver) to generate the wave files on Linux and then pack the generated files into a .voice file 16.07.53 # yan, currently 'Moos' maintain the French voice 16.08.19 # Ok, so I'll contact Moos when my work will be done 16.08.23 # does he? I thought he only did the lang file 16.08.39 # you should at least speak with him before starting the big boring task 16.09.05 # hum, yes, he maintain the .lang file... 16.09.20 # not so boring thanks to a little perl script that will do the thing for me ;) But you're right, I'll sleak to him before 16.09.20 # * Faemir is back (gone 01:00:04) 16.09.22 # I produce .voice files from espeak 16.09.42 # under Linux 16.09.46 # * petur wants Faemir to turn off that script 16.09.49 # I don't suppose that anyone knows whether a battery extender for an ipod would work with rockbox? 16.09.52 # Faemir: we are not interested in your status updates 16.10.01 # sorry, it's for a different channel on freenode 16.10.21 # it announces it in them all >_> 16.10.51 Quit Galois (Remote closed the connection) 16.11.02 # Siltaar: And do you have a script to generate the voice file or just do it manually ? 16.13.01 # yan, you have my pv 16.13.03 # linuxstb, i'm only now testing the scrolling behaviour on my ipod 16.13.10 Join Galois [0] (i=djao@efnet-math.org) 16.13.13 # i dont normally use long lists to scroll through 16.13.32 # but still, it's kind of annoying you can't actually scroll slowly 16.14.35 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 16.14.38 # maybe you could implement a treshold speed above which the current behaviour is used, and if you scroll slower, you just scroll slowly through the list? 16.14.40 Nick yan is now known as Kioui (n=yan@87.107.70-86.rev.gaoland.net) 16.15.33 # * bospaadje wonders how the of does it - never used it :) 16.19.00 Quit JdGordon (Remote closed the connection) 16.20.33 Join vcardenas [0] (i=be54eb6a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2dab3e337342b160) 16.23.57 # linuxstb: that submission checklist is huge ! 16.24.20 # but I like most of it... maybe we should add a few things to ours 16.24.21 # Nico_P: Yes, but you can't argue with any of them - they are all "good things". 16.24.30 # indeed 16.24.45 # they're just very demanding 16.26.01 # Maybe, but I think they are things people should be doing before posting patches (and devs who commit their own patches). 16.26.04 Quit kubiix ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 16.26.21 # I wrote a little test plugin to get the x and y axes of the Gigabeat touchpad, would be nice if those values could influence the scrolling speed 16.26.46 # markun: Rockbox now has too many different input devices... 16.27.33 # linuxstb: I think the H10 strip and Gigabeat pad could be handled in the same way, no? 16.28.23 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s189a.studby.ntnu.no) 16.31.05 # linuxstb: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/touchpad.c 16.32.00 Join mpeccorini [0] (n=mpeccori@mail1.theargusgroup.us) 16.33.20 # linuxstb: That still leaves three different input concepts - buttons, touchpad and wheel (both physical - sansa, and virtual - ipod) 16.33.28 # * linuxstb meant to talk to markun, not himself ;) 16.33.33 # :) 16.34.16 # linuxstb: Where's this demanding list..? 16.34.36 # Should probably be on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FlySprayHowto (or referred to from there). 16.34.42 # pondlife: http://ffmpeg.mplayerhq.hu/ffmpeg-doc.html#SEC41 16.35.04 # Aha, not a Rockbox list then ;) 16.35.33 # When you're talking about "touchpad" , it's for the iPod port or not ? 16.36.10 # Kioui: no, Gigabeat F/X and iriver H10 16.36.22 # Oh ok, sorry 16.36.34 # We call what the ipods have a wheel. 16.36.42 # And, how does this touchpad works into the original firmware? 16.37.05 # pondlife: No, but I would like to suggest it as one... 16.37.25 # Kioui: the OF of the Gigabeat treats taps on it like buttons, but you can also do special actions by sliding your finger from one side to the other 16.38.02 # markun: Is it interpreted as 5 different buttons in the OF (same as Rockbox)? 16.38.04 # if you hold your finger on the lower part for scrolling, you can change the speed by sliding up or down 16.38.09 # linuxstb: yes 16.38.57 # k 16.39.23 # linuxstb: holding down one of the 'buttons' for scrolling could enter a scolling loop and then moving on the pad could change the speed until you let go of the pad and leave the loop 16.39.23 # Hum ok 16.39.33 # And what would you like to be done into Rockbox? 16.39.40 Join andrew__2 [0] (n=andrew@stjhnf0124w-142162081197.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) 16.40.13 # Wow seems not so easy to do :) 16.40.36 # Kioui: it felt very natural to me when I tried it 16.41.53 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.42.06 # markun: I think it is indeed, but I have difficulties to figure out how it is really 16.43.10 # markun: If implemented, it will be a complex driver which lots of different cases depending of where are our finger on the pad and what the finger movement looks like 16.43.31 # Kioui: no, not really 16.43.55 # it will just scroll and the speed will depend on the y axis read from my code 16.44.39 # but unless you have a Gigabeat there is no way for you to try it 16.44.53 # So if I understand: if you made little circles, you will scroll slowly and the bigger the circle is, the faster the scrolling would be? 16.45.17 # Kioui: I forgot to tell you: the 'pad' is in fact a cross 16.45.24 # so you cannot make a circle 16.45.31 # markun: Of course, it was just to figure out how it looks like :) 16.46.07 # Kioui: if I ever implement it I can make a small video for you to look at :) 16.46.11 # Hum ok, understood, yeahh! :) 16.48.54 # Oh and just another question to linuxstb maybe: Into the iPodvideo documentation, we use "ipodpatcher" program to write a 1st partition on the iPod. Is this program already working for 80gb ipods, or should I builad manually my boot partition with ipod_fw ? 16.49.34 # markun: Thanks for the video, but being blind, it will be hard for me to see anything :) 16.49.42 # Kioui: oops :) 16.49.57 # markun: no problem 16.50.11 # Kioui: ipodpatcher works on the 80GB. ipod_fw is badly broken on the 5.5g - ipodpatcher was mainly written because I gave up trying to hack support for the 5.5g into ipod_fw, so wrote ipodpatcher from scratch. 16.50.11 # that's what you get when you change nick inbetween 16.50.33 # Kioui: btw, I'm mentoring the text to speech project for the google summer of code. Would you have any use for such a feature in rockbox? 16.51.08 # petur: ah.. Kioui == yan 16.51.17 # linuxstb: Hum ok. 16.51.19 # :) 16.51.19 Join hannesd__ [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 16.52.02 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 16.52.30 # markun: Have you tried the new list acceleration on the gigabeat? 16.52.53 # not yet 16.57.14 # the acceleration doesn't work that good for me on my ipod 16.57.14 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC") 16.57.29 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-9e6378f2f9205557) 16.57.42 # it keeps on accelerating even when i slow down 16.58.06 # Yes, it's nothing to do with speed, just how long you've been touching the wheel. 16.58.15 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 16.58.17 # and that doesn't work well for me 16.59.15 # i think the speed must enter in the equation as well 16.59.33 # So do I. 17.00.01 # oh yes indeed 17.00.31 # only speed, how long it's been pressed is irrelevant 17.00.44 # couldn't we have separate codes for the various input devices ? 17.00.50 # we should 17.01.18 # * Nico_P is about to test markun's touchpad plugin 17.01.49 # We'll probably upset the people who've been asking for ipod wheel acceleration ever since the port started, but maybe remove the current list acceleration for the wheel targets? I haven't tried it, but I imagine it's fine on targets with buttons. 17.02.06 # Or leave it until someone implements something better? 17.02.15 # i guess it works well on those 17.02.34 # the wheel acceleration is downright annoying 17.02.44 # You can always disable it in the settings though. 17.02.52 # you can't select some items without releasing the wheel 17.03.13 # then make the default setting disabled 17.03.23 # Nico_P: ok, let me know if anything could be improved 17.03.38 # Nico_P: I think I made some changes and didn't test the code after that 17.03.57 # markun: maybe two lines to show the cross, but apart from that it's nice 17.04.17 # I assume the accuracy isn't up to the plugin ? 17.04.21 # LinusN: What is the status on the Rec button issue? Is there anything I can do? 17.04.48 # i dunno, haven't been in the loop regarding that 17.04.54 # Nico_P: no, not really. The pad has 13 sensors and this is what I came up with 17.05.30 # LinusN: I read in the IRC logs about putting everybody on a hitlist who is against it ^^ 17.05.41 # hehe 17.05.55 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC") 17.06.10 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@247.54.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 17.07.26 # markun: I think you should commit it to SVN :) 17.07.31 Quit hannesd_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.07.34 # * linuxstb tries the list acceleration on the gigabeat and thinks it works quite well 17.08.00 # markun: 13 I remember 11 ?? or I am wrong 17.08.18 # on the ipod, it scrolls like a bag of shit! :-) 17.08.30 # :) 17.08.36 # markun: you are wright 13 , sorry 17.09.53 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host100-209-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 17.11.34 # linuxstb: where can I enable it? 17.12.31 # markun: display > scrolling IIRC 17.13.06 # yes, that's it. the last two settings 17.14.30 Part LinusN 17.14.33 # forgot to reboot :) 17.15.58 # linuxstb: yes, a nice improvement 17.24.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.29.26 Quit kubiix (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.29.29 Quit Kioui ("leaving") 17.29.30 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484ba03.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.30.54 # * petur wonders how long it will take before somebody writes a tool that strips user details from itunes DRM-free songs 17.31.19 # ( http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/05/31/apple_itunes_plus_drm/ ) 17.31.32 # I would expect there to already be tools to do that. 17.32.11 # can they stick it anywhere else besides the tags? 17.32.33 # they could use watermarks, like everyone else 17.34.34 # if you read the latest research papers on watermarks they claim that you can do something like (for example) average together ten different copies of the same song and re-encode with 64kbit mp3 and the watermarking decoder can still detect at least one of the original 10 watermarks with reasonable probability 17.35.35 # if that is so, sound quality must suffer a lot 17.36.03 # and they have before and after images of frequency spectra 17.38.17 Join PaulJam [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3116.gwdg.de) 17.38.59 # I suppose itunes uses tags or header information, because I don't think that a watermark can be found and decrypted easily without knowing that it is there 17.40.52 # Is this DRM-free itunes a US-only thing at the moment? 17.42.18 # I'm sure it is. itunes itself is regionalized. 17.43.25 Quit pondlife (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.46.12 # "Purchases from the iTunes Store are available only in the United States and are not available in any other location. You agree not to use or attempt to use the service from outside of the available territory. Apple may use technologies to verify such compliance." this one bit some people hard 17.51.29 # can someone tell me how much an entire album is on itunes at the moment? 17.51.51 # (I'm on linux) 17.53.46 # $9.99 ??? 17.54.12 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 17.54.13 # propably depends on where you live. i think entire albums always cost 10 euro in europe. 17.54.49 # I'm in UK, and someone just told me they are £7. So actually, buying hard copies is cheaper most of the time :\ 17.55.11 # well, yes, american companies like to charge europeans double 17.55.29 # for example the cost of windows vista in the UK is frightening 17.55.59 # it is. 17.56.09 # though OEM isn't too bad 17.56.18 # £65 for premium... 17.56.42 # Galois, you buy 30gb ipods for £120. We pay £190 17.58.04 Join lowlight [0] (i=c730180a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1f676dc584ba1546) 17.58.35 # home premium retail $239.00 vs. £219 17.59.52 # :( 18.03.45 # o0 18.09.34 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 18.12.42 Quit Siltaar ("Quitte") 18.13.29 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-066-057-231-236.nc.res.rr.com) 18.13.35 Quit petur ("home") 18.16.04 Quit Drumr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.18.53 Part vcardenas 18.23.48 Join Shoeguy2369 [0] (n=user@209.8.41.59) 18.23.55 Nick Shoeguy2369 is now known as Korin_Night (n=user@209.8.41.59) 18.26.35 # Morning...anyone around? 18.27.12 # morning? 18.27.24 # o0 where are you from= 18.27.26 # ? 18.27.30 Nick haemmy|afk is now known as haemmy (n=stefan@194.208.162.140) 18.27.44 # Southern California 18.27.50 # yourself? 18.27.55 # Austria 18.28.08 # 18:28 local time 18.28.12 # ahhh cool...My uncle is from there 18.28.32 # aaahhh..my work day would have been over for 2 hours 18.28.47 # +g+ 18.29.02 # uncle from austria? where from austria? 18.29.12 Join david11 [0] (n=david52@84.72.254.113) 18.30.13 # i'm not sure exactly where in Austria...but his cousin was in the 92? olympics? -ponders- winter olympics, downhill ski jump thing 18.30.19 Quit obo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.33.23 # sry what does ponders mean? ;) 18.34.18 # no worries...its like..."thinks" cause I wasn't sure what year the winter olympics were 18.34.50 # 92 they were in France 18.36.34 # really? 18.38.48 # is it smart to trade an ipod (30gb) for an gigabeat f40 + 100¤ ?? 18.39.28 # david11: will you get the ipod or the gigabeat? 18.39.44 # gigabeat 18.39.56 # then I think it's smart :) 18.40.17 # david11: What is the 100 ? (I can't see a recognisable currency symbol) 18.40.18 # ... if you like rockbox 18.40.24 # even if the ipod is extreme new 18.40.45 # linuxstb: euro 18.41.34 # how much did you pay for the ipod? 18.41.59 # normal price 280¤ (euro) 18.42.15 # An F40 can be bought for around 100 USD 18.42.42 # so maybe not such a good deal after all 18.43.09 # i know, but if i buy an gigabeat i dont need the ipod anymore 18.43.26 # But in terms of features (when running Rockbox), I would say the F40 is better than the ipod video. 18.43.37 # ^much better 18.43.44 Quit toffe82 (Remote closed the connection) 18.44.19 # is there also such great support if the gigabeat breaks? 18.44.56 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 18.46.14 # I've no idea about Toshiba's support (they don't make the F40 any more). 18.46.33 # toffe82 is your support if it breaks :) 18.49.31 # :) 18.49.59 # toffe82: really? 18.50.54 # i'm curiuos, anyone having any problems with charging their IPOD 80gs? or am I doing something wrong? 18.53.06 # david11: yes 18.54.01 # david11: it is better that you buy a f40 at 100$ and sell your ipod, so you will have it for free 18.54.16 # david11: where are you from ? 18.56.02 # toffe82: Austria 18.56.31 # * amiconn now even tends to disagree with linuxstb 18.56.59 # amiconn: You prefer the ipod? 18.57.04 # The ipod video has a far better display than the gigabeat 18.57.38 # The gigabeat has the same annoying pitch-black colour lcd as all the colour targets except ipod video and nano 18.57.43 # Did you see a 5g ipod video at devcon? 18.58.04 # I _think_ the LCDs are different, but I could be wrong... 18.58.10 # I even worked on one... and still have it here 18.58.18 # (LinusN's 80GB G5.5) 18.58.30 # I mean did you compare the G5.5 with the older G5 18.58.34 # And I saw the 60GB G5 18.58.38 # toffe82: is that a Problem? 18.58.41 # The lcd looks the same 18.58.47 # OK. 18.59.51 # What annoys me about the video (and all the ipods except the minis) is the case 19.00.04 # Didn't check how the gigabeat case compares to that 19.00.07 # david11: I don't know the ipod 19.00.40 # toffe82: but you know the gigabeat? 19.00.41 # amiconn: My ipod color is just as visibile without backlight as my 5g. 19.00.54 # visible even. 19.02.12 # There was no color to look at at devcon... 19.02.18 # david11: yes , and I have nothing to say about that, I like it even if I am not using a F anymore but a X which has a better lcd 19.02.31 # amiconn: I know, that's why I'm telling you :) 19.02.48 # Controls are about equally annoying 19.03.17 # toffe82: is it a problem for you if i am from austria? 19.03.33 # toffe82: if my gigabeat breaks 19.03.38 # * amiconn still prefers real buttons over this touchy maybe-working stuff 19.05.02 # david11: if it is not hardware, no problem, if it is hardware, problem with shipping ( at least 20$ each way ) 19.05.25 # Can anyone help me with a 80GB charging problem i'm having? (could be user error, but I don't know) 19.08.51 # david11: but if you take care of it, there is no problem, the biggest damage I saw were broken lcd, broken audio jack . you can fix the lcd but you need to find one, if you break the audio jack, it is a little more difficult because generally it take of the trace on the board (but this is the extreme, you really have to push it hard to break it) 19.09.47 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54b14df5.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.13.22 # what is the difference between F40 and F41? 19.15.49 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@avc146.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 19.17.48 # david11: F41 is slimmer, it's HD has only one platter 19.17.57 # s/it's/its 19.24.55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.27.24 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 19.27.41 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.27.49 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-202-175.student.uu.se) 19.29.48 # righteo then 19.29.49 Quit thegeek (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.30.07 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s189a.studby.ntnu.no) 19.32.56 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3041.gwdg.de) 19.33.12 Quit PaulJam (Nick collision from services.) 19.33.17 Nick PaulJam_ is now known as PaulJam (i=Paul@vpn-3041.gwdg.de) 19.41.40 Join arkascha [0] (n=arkascha@xdsl-213-196-210-111.netcologne.de) 19.43.45 Join Buschel [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3D5AC.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.44.08 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@host.91-92-172-170.airbites.bg) 19.47.06 # * XavierGr goes to mod his ondio with backlight 19.48.08 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-12hdtj8.cable.mindspring.com) 19.48.41 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 19.50.54 Quit arkascha (Remote closed the connection) 19.51.06 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 19.51.33 Quit thegeek (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.52.50 # hrm, if i have svn added some files i didn't want to but haven't commited yet, is there a way to remove them except using svn rm? 19.53.14 # * petur would like to announce that if anybody fancies a signed (empty) beer bottle, he should go to ebay within the next 2,5 hours. After that, they're up for recycling 19.54.21 # preglow: What's the problem with svn rm? 19.54.24 # preglow: I think svn revert will do 19.54.36 # amiconn: it deletes the file 19.54.56 # Yeah, so copy the file elsewhere, do 'svn rm', and move the copy back 19.55.17 # n1s: man, thanks a bunch, that did it 19.55.35 # amiconn: i don't think you can svn rm if you haven't commited 19.55.51 # you can iirc 19.56.34 Quit EspeonEefi ("Leaving") 19.57.37 # i think i'll just hang on to revert anyway 19.57.39 # nice and clean 19.57.40 Join rift [0] (n=opera@160.56.70-86.rev.gaoland.net) 19.58.06 Join DanielW [0] (n=danielw@dslb-084-061-020-002.pools.arcor-ip.net) 19.58.07 # hi 19.58.49 Quit Davide-NYC ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 19.58.53 # it seems i am the most stupid guy in the world. installed rockbox on my ipod video 80 GB and now i can not switch it off 19.59.08 # the manual says "hold the play button" but that does not work 20.00.08 # hi there, can anyone tell me how to differ between 60GB anmd 30GB iPOD video at compiletime? I want to use some #ifdef for setting correct battery capacitiy 20.01.57 Quit desowin ("use linux") 20.02.19 Join saratoga [0] (i=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d631f8ad2cf2c96f) 20.02.39 # DanielW: you do not have the hold switch on, do you? 20.02.46 # is there anyone available who could tell me about how to register a codec in Rockbox? 20.03.05 # the instructions page is woefully out of date, and I'm obviously missing a step 20.03.31 # n1s: the problem was the usb connection 20.04.13 # Buschel: the 60GB is supposed to use the 64MB build, but works fine with the regular 32MB one, so checking for MEM==64 should work but IMO havig battery capacity dependant on memorysize is bad 20.04.15 Join din [0] (n=din@c-67-162-206-27.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) 20.04.55 # saratoga: hmm, you need to update metadata.c, playback.c,that's fore sure 20.05.01 # saratoga: search for AFMT_ 20.05.21 # n1s: yes, but I do not know any other way to decide whether to build for 30GB or 60GB iPOD Video 20.05.29 # saratoga: Did you see my PM last night? 20.05.56 # Buschel: well, they use the same build target so other than that there is no way afaik 20.06.44 # linuxstb: no I didn't notice a PM 20.07.07 # i've added entries to id3.c and id3.h adding a AFMT_WMA format 20.07.21 # saratoga: i'm going to vanish until tuesday tomorrow, just so you know 20.07.42 # go whine to linuxstb if you want any info :) 20.08.35 # saratoga: Check your PMs now... 20.08.38 # saratoga: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowToWriteCodecs 20.08.52 # hmm 90mA is a little bit too much for a 3mm led eh? 20.09.29 # saratoga: nevermind (i see you saw that) 20.10.26 # damn it I need a resistor! it is already too messy there to put another element 20.10.42 # yes i'm slowly updating that page to bring it in to sync with the playback changes 20.14.55 Part david11 20.21.31 # amiconn: I think that the gpio signal alone can power the led with 20ma just fine.... 20.23.09 # Output H current has a maximum of 1mA... 20.24.22 # strange... I get more than 20ma when the led is lit 20.24.22 Quit lowlight ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 20.24.40 # or am I hurting the circuit? 20.25.04 Quit _Veseliq_ (Remote closed the connection) 20.25.19 # strange thing is that i get voltage when the backlight is off and no voltage when backlight is on (from the settings) 20.26.54 # no forget that wrong connection 20.27.08 # (although I can get both :) ) 20.27.10 Quit haemmy () 20.28.35 # The SH7034 can provide 1mA against ground when pulling high, and 8mA against Vcc when pulling low. Everything else is out of specs 20.28.51 # And the backlight GPIO is active high 20.30.15 # sorry it seems I can't follow you :\. my current setup is:ground from the right pad above the 220 chip 20.30.58 # and a signal that gives 3.3 volts according to the backlight setttings which is located just below the lcd white stickers 20.31.21 # without any resistance I get 17mA when the backlight setting is on 20.31.32 # should I just leave it there or it will hurt the hardware> 20.31.33 # ? 20.33.48 # is there a way to find out what WPS are working without trying them all? 20.33.55 # Yes, and you're drawing more from the port pin than the specs allow 20.34.21 # It may or may not hurt the chip permanently, there's simply no guarantee 20.34.35 # The specs say 1mA. If you draw more, you're on your own 20.35.06 Quit printfXh4 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.35.13 # hmm playback seems to be quite fine, but I get a lot of static from radio 20.37.17 # amiconn: I'm thinking of using wavrecord on my recv1 to record something - would you trust it to perform a 1-hour recording from the analogue line-in reliably? 20.38.10 Join I [0] (i=43b875e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2a18db4bb9ff3893) 20.38.51 # who handles wiki management? 20.39.04 # [user] management 20.39.27 # Every wiki user with write access does. 20.40.00 Quit I (Nick collision from services.) 20.40.50 # linuxstb: I would expect it to 20.41.05 # I recorded a full CD just fine while testing 20.41.12 Join I [0] (i=43b875e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b08ce0994fabfa81) 20.41.18 Nick I is now known as I222 (i=43b875e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b08ce0994fabfa81) 20.41.38 # is it possible to remove me from the wiki? 20.41.41 # linuxstb: Just be aware that recording will stop shortly before the file reaches 2GB 20.41.56 Join greezle [0] (n=hax0rjc@m83-188-26-84.cust.tele2.ru) 20.41.59 # amiconn: OK, I'll give it a go. Yes, I saw that in your commit message. 20.42.01 # (or if you run out of space of course...) 20.42.29 # I sent an email to twiki@haxx.se on 5/17 20.42.30 # Am I right in thinking it can record at 48KHz? 20.42.50 # yes 20.43.14 # mono/stereo and all standard sample rate from 8 to 48kHz 20.43.19 # I222: talk to Bagder or LinusN here 20.43.26 # 16 Bit sample depth is fixed 20.43.57 # I222: what's your wiki name btw? 20.44.12 # That's good. I want to use the recording on a DVD, so would prefer to record at 48KHz directly, rather than resampling. 20.44.17 Quit greezle (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.44.24 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul) 20.45.12 # petur, xxinfamisxx@yahoo.com 20.45.15 # linuxstb: How do you encode to ac3? 20.45.29 # I don't - I'll just keep it as uncompressed PCM 20.45.33 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s189a.studby.ntnu.no) 20.45.48 # I don't feel I deserve to be there as I haven't contributed anything 20.45.52 # hmm 20.46.04 # * amiconn thought that an ac3 audio track is mandatory... 20.46.45 # I222: not your e-mail, the name you choose as wiki name. Other than that, there are more people in there that didn't contribute so it's not so bad. They'll get removed on periodic cleaning ;) 20.47.31 # amiconn: I wouldn't know, as the DVD specs are secret. But I've made lots of DVDs with either LPCM or MP2, and had no problems. 20.48.03 # NTSC DVD players sometimes don't support MP2, in which case LPCM has always worked. 20.48.20 Join ForzaHog [0] (i=HydraIRC@130.184.21.223) 20.48.30 Join Gursikh [0] (n=Gursikh@tremulous/officialdevannoyer/khalsa) 20.48.55 # petur, http://tinyurl.com/2knuqt is a link to the TwikiUsers page 20.49.13 Part Gursikh ("Leaving") 20.49.34 Quit ForzaHog (" I love my HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 20.51.30 # Bagder or LinusN, please remove wiki account linked to by http://tinyurl.com/2knuqt - you can email to confirm, thank you 20.51.38 Quit I222 ("CGI:IRC 0.5.7 (2005/06/19)") 20.53.35 # pfff... Either I222 isn't who he claimed he was or he forgot he actually contributed a WPS for the X5 20.58.46 Join I222 [0] (i=43b875e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-bb5886489e17cf40) 20.59.49 # yeah I know I "contributed" a WPS but seriously that WPS is embarrassing; but like I said you can email me to confirm, alright thanks 20.59.50 Quit I222 (Client Quit) 21.02.59 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@host.91-92-172-170.airbites.bg) 21.05.55 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 21.06.26 Part maffe 21.06.53 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 21.07.33 Part maffe 21.07.56 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 21.12.20 Join Daishi [0] (n=daishi@ool-18be2884.dyn.optonline.net) 21.13.20 Quit DanielW (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 21.16.14 Join otih_ [0] (n=otih@p54a4eef2.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.17.37 Quit otih_ (Client Quit) 21.20.09 Quit perldiver (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 21.21.18 Join DanielW [0] (n=danielw@dslb-084-061-081-134.pools.arcor-ip.net) 21.22.55 Join Mind7 [0] (n=10373019@IGLD-83-130-169-224.inter.net.il) 21.23.01 Quit Mind7 (K-lined) 21.24.41 # *sigh* 21.24.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.25.00 # amiconn you were right, it isn't possible to put a normal led near the screen 21.25.08 # I guees I have to find SMD leds then 21.30.22 Quit otih (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.31.51 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc5-brig8-0-0-cust142.brig.cable.ntl.com) 21.32.19 Join pearldiver [0] (n=say@cpe-72-225-231-80.nyc.res.rr.com) 21.35.35 Part rift 21.35.46 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 21.45.04 Quit Buschel () 21.47.26 Join ForzaHog [0] (i=HydraIRC@130.184.21.223) 21.47.50 Quit ForzaHog (Client Quit) 21.50.38 Quit _Veseliq_ (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.50.53 # If I want to group members of a struct together to make it as efficient as possible, how should I do that? 21.51.18 Join webguest46 [0] (i=4a841a2a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-342a072f509b97a7) 21.51.45 # n1s: it depends on the CPU 21.51.48 # Who likes Cheetoes? 21.52.05 # mpeccorini: ok, care to elaborate? 21.52.53 # n1s: for instance, if the register is 32 bits, you should arrange variables together in groups of 32 bits 21.52.54 Quit webguest46 (Client Quit) 21.53.24 # never put first a variable of 2 bytes and the a variable of 4 bytes 21.53.48 # because the second variable would not fit in the first block 21.53.52 # and so on 21.54.30 # so in that case group 2-bytr varables in pairs of two? 21.54.36 # byte 21.54.42 # yep 21.54.55 # and 1 byte variables in groups of four 21.55.21 # just a silly question, are there pairs of a different number than two? 21.55.36 # LOL 21.55.43 # ummm, dunno :-) 21.56.20 # I'm not sure if I'm explaining the idea right (english is not my native language) 21.57.01 # mpeccorini: sounds logical, I just wonder where I can find this info for the rockbox targets' cpus 21.57.37 # n1s: no idea :( but I would guess all the CPU's will be either 16 bit or 32 bit 21.58.01 # mpeccorini: I think they are all 32, so that means a register is 32 bit? 21.58.02 # n1s: and, if you properly arrange members in groups of 16 bits, they will be properly arranged for 32 and 64 bits too 21.58.23 # n1s: yes, that's what it means 21.58.48 # n1s: that carries a lot of other consecuences, like the size of the instruction, the maximum addressable memory and so on 21.58.55 # but basically, that's what it means 21.59.02 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A9619C.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.59.22 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 21.59.26 # ok, and the size of varables depend on both the cpu and the compiler, right? 22.00.00 # and for ARM based targets (ipods,...) shorts must be on an address that's a multiple of 2, ints on a multiple of 4 (iirc) 22.00.01 # n1s: I think they only depend on the compiler, but in the end, the compiler depends on the CPU :p 22.00.29 # n1s: I assume by "efficient" you're referring to code-size? 22.00.46 # so how do I ask gcc for what sizes it uses? whithout making a funky sizeof plugin? 22.00.50 # petur: but the compiler will take care of that, won't it? 22.01.11 # don't think so 22.01.20 # linuxstb_: well, yes, how would I do it if I want max speed? 22.01.21 # n1s: I was just about to suggest the funky sizeof plugin :p 22.01.24 # depends I think 22.01.49 # n1s: but I guess you can also make some plain research on the subject 22.01.53 # just don't do anything like { short a; int b; } 22.02.28 # petur: that will Data abort, right? 22.02.37 # petur: if you just want a short and an int, what other choice do you have ? 22.02.38 # * n1s doesn't have any ARM targets 22.02.39 # probably 22.02.47 # * petur neither 22.02.56 # petur: I think it will just be sotred in 8 bytes 22.03.03 # or stored 22.03.03 # * mpeccorini does 22.03.05 # n1s: In this case, speed and code-size are probably the same. But I agree with amiconn's suggestion that the only way to find out what's causing the problem is some disassembly. 22.04.46 # or sorted LOL 22.04.52 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@avc146.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 22.04.53 # linuxstb_: well, I'm no good in dissassembly, I tracked down the increase in size to playback.o for coldfire builds at least, alsso if anyone wants to check it out I have made objdumps of the different playback.o files, but they don't tell me much except that there are lots of differences 22.04.55 Part maffe 22.05.03 # or rosted 22.05.09 # n1s: this book has a really good explanation about how to arrange the variables for arm processor ( and a lot more interesting things) : http://www.arm.com/documentation/books/4975.html 22.05.38 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 22.05.46 Quit maffe (Remote closed the connection) 22.05.58 # toffe82: thanks 22.06.16 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 22.09.17 # n1s: I'm fairly fluent in ColdFire assembly, so I could take a look at that. 22.11.33 # Lear, thanks, i uploaded the objdumps here http://home.student.uu.se/niwa5341/ 22.11.34 Quit thegeek (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.12.12 # Ouch, even the dumps show big size differences... :) 22.12.15 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 22.15.56 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-089-222.pools.arcor-ip.net) 22.16.54 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 22.17.39 # haha this must be the most suckiest mod ever 22.17.44 # (picture following) 22.17.55 Join lowlight [0] (i=c730180a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-79d2f60e33f05466) 22.20.04 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 22.20.23 # my ondio backlight: http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/6336/img0205da7.jpg 22.20.25 # n1s: Care to try one thing? Make a patched build with -fstrength-reduce enabled... 22.20.37 # Lear: have you see this ? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10742.0 22.20.52 # better than nothing but then again, it is sucky as hell! 22.20.56 # Lear: sure 22.21.16 Part Korin_Night 22.21.54 Quit Daishi (Connection timed out) 22.22.00 # lets hope that my ondio will hold up the mA from the LED 22.22.17 # Nico_P: No, didn't see that. Don't really know anything about what makes m4b m4b... 22.22.41 # well actually M4B is M4A with a different extension :) 22.22.51 # but they often have chapters and pictures embedded 22.23.17 # the b stands for "bookmarkable" 22.23.39 # "This is one of the largest open-source teams in the world, and is in the top 2% of all project teams on Ohloh." 22.24.09 # 55 committers the last 12 months 22.24.20 # Nico_P: Yes, that's about as much as I know. Might be some extra atoms there, but if so, I don't know what they mean... 22.24.55 # Lear: there are 4 tracks in my M4B files 22.25.08 Join johnnyoc3 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-71-142-233-48.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) 22.25.21 # audio, chapter titles as subtitles, pictures, and URLS as subtitles 22.25.46 # openoffice has 160 committers the last 12 months... 22.26.46 # Bagder: where is this from ? 22.26.51 # Lear: well the -fstrength-reduce option dropped it from 410,2 KB to 408,6 KB, svn is 409,2 btw 22.26.52 # * petur registered himself on ohloh 22.26.55 # www.ohloh.net 22.27.05 # very cool site 22.27.12 # indeed it is 22.27.17 Quit lowlight ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.27.34 # * n1s has apparently comitted more comments than code :-) 22.27.44 # hmm smd leds could indeed come handy for the backlight mod 22.28.10 # n1s: But have you compared patched and svn with strength-reduce? 22.28.27 # nope not yet, will do 22.29.04 # Interesting cost estimate... :) 22.29.21 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 22.29.52 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.30.04 # Lear: do you think it would be possible to add chapter reading to MP4 ? 22.30.14 Join entheh [0] (n=purr@88-106-177-93.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 22.30.30 # Lear ah svn wiht -fstrength-reduce is 407,6 still 1KB smaller than the patched... although I have been able to shrink the difference to about 100bytes by rearranging some structs 22.31.03 # Nico_P: Don't see why not, but it'd require someone to figure out what to do... 22.31.41 # and with -fstrength-reduce that is still 100 larger 22.31.47 # Lear: MP4Box knows how to so maybe a look at tht code would help 22.32.19 # * petur brings the sad news that the selling of signed beer bottles wasn't such a good idea and will result in 0 euro extra funding :( 22.32.26 # n1s: well, I think the difference in struct size/field offsets causes gcc to generate worse code. 22.33.25 # petur: :-( 22.33.26 # n1s: For the FOR_NB_SCREENS case, I noticed that gcc generated strange code to handle moving to the next screen in the array, and strength-reduce helped there. 22.33.27 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 22.34.01 # n1s: Was hoping something similar could help here... 22.34.15 # Bagder: well we tried.... no harm done... 22.34.37 # petur: should have sold a full bottle to preglow ;) 22.34.41 Part TrueJournals 22.34.48 # hehe 22.36.23 Join Nic0_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 22.36.45 Join webguest89 [0] (i=43ad8a99@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-035cdf41affeeeeb) 22.36.53 # problem with my internet connection 22.37.09 # hi can anyone tell me where i can download the ipod bootloader? please? 22.38.21 Quit Nico_P (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.38.26 Nick Nic0_P is now known as Nico_P (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 22.38.58 Quit johnnyoc3 ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]") 22.40.08 # n1s: I think tracks array is the primary culprit here; the code generated to handle "&tracks[track_ridx]" isn't really pretty, and if the sizes are wrong, things get noticably worse... 22.40.57 # Lear: yeah, that's where I was able to reclaim most of the size, by rearranging the track_info struct 22.41.42 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 22.41.43 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.43.17 Quit webguest89 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.43.41 # wow rockbox is worth $6 million ?? 22.44.12 # very impressive 22.44.14 # Nico_P: nope, it's not worth a penny, costed 6 million to make tho... _) 22.44.19 # :-D 22.45.53 # n1s: Btw, current code uses 20 bytes on ColdFire just to figure out where in memory "tracks[index]" is (26 with patch). All to avoid a mulu... 22.46.58 # Lear: and it acceses that a fair bit of times, right? 22.47.06 # n1s: you are aware that changing the track_info struct (and thus the id3 struct) can break the codec API? 22.47.12 # Indeed it does... 22.47.53 # Lear: hmm, well, I'm just playing around now, will not commit anything without asking more nkowledgable people :-) 22.48.01 # XavierGr: is the backlight driven by rockbox? If so, I'm still impressed :) 22.48.38 # n1s: I'll probably be moving that around soon anyway 22.48.49 # n1s: Just wanted to mention it. The struct has been updated many a time without bumping the codec API... :) 22.48.56 # Nico_P: ah, ok 22.49.20 Part maffe 22.49.28 # Lear: maybe it should be in acomment somewhere :-) 22.54.07 Quit secleinteer (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.54.14 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 22.54.27 Quit maffe (Remote closed the connection) 22.54.32 # Just did a quick count of tracks[] accesses. Assuming each access got a 6 byte bump, that explains the total size bump. 22.54.45 # Lear: wow 22.55.07 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 22.55.30 # So padding the struct size to some nice round number could probably cut 1.5 kB or so. 22.55.34 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 22.56.24 # Lear, I think that is what those longs I tried to remove did then... 22.57.33 # Yep, gcc needed more instructions to do the "sizeof(*tracks) * index" calculation. 22.58.13 # Lear: aha, well that makes sense 22.58.16 # Ignoring the fact that on this CPU, a single instruction (well, maybe two) would be much faster. 22.58.56 # Lear: Does it behave the same on your gcc 4.1 22.58.58 Join Arckon [0] (i=473c3370@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-bd9206933f088268) 22.59.58 # has anyone noticed issues with comment tags in id3v2.3 tags in any builds of rockbox? 23.01.09 Join webguest74 [0] (i=43ad8a99@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a8737aae3dc50dcf) 23.01.29 # hi can anyone help me install rockbox on my ipod video plz? 23.01.43 # i just downloaded the current build. 23.02.05 # Don't use 4.x, but when I did try > 4.0, I never really looked for that stuff... 23.02.09 # webguest74: have you also checked the manual? 23.02.11 # it wont work it says it cant find it and its in the main disk drive. 23.02.17 # yes 23.02.22 # i read part of it 23.02.54 # do i need a new boot loader? 23.02.59 # webguest74: did you install the rockbox bootloader with the ipodpatcher tool 23.03.14 # do i need a new one? 23.03.23 # i have an old one. 23.03.30 # webguest74: how old? 23.03.38 # like a month. 23.03.40 # or more 23.04.08 # ok, then you should update it, just use ipodpatcher and install a new one and it should update 23.04.08 # i think its about two months old actually 23.04.42 # i tried looking for it but i cant find it can u tell me where i can find it please? 23.05.19 # webguest74: ther's a link in the installation chapter in the manual 23.05.31 # oh ok ty 23.05.37 # thank you 23.05.45 # oh 1 more thing... 23.06.15 # how should the rockbox folder appear? i mean its name. 23.06.23 # it says rockbox 23.06.27 # with a . in front 23.06.31 # should it be .rockbox? 23.06.32 # .rockbox 23.06.35 # yes 23.06.43 # its missing the period 23.06.51 # and i can't put it in 23.07.01 # webguest74: how did you unzip it? 23.07.17 # some program called bit zipper 23.07.42 # let me try again 23.07.46 # do you have a folder called .rockbox inside the rockbox folder on your ipod? 23.08.00 # oh let me check 23.08.21 Join secleinteer [0] (n=scl@70.230.171.248) 23.08.46 Quit secleinteer (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.09.16 Join secleinteer [0] (n=scl@70.230.171.248) 23.09.39 Quit ompaul ("init 0") 23.09.53 Quit secleinteer (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.10.49 Join secleinteer [0] (n=scl@70.230.171.248) 23.11.25 # no there is no folder called .rockbox inside rockbox 23.11.42 # webguest74: so what is inside it? 23.11.46 # ./ro 23.11.55 # some other stuff 23.12.00 # other folders 23.12.12 Quit jack_ (Remote closed the connection) 23.12.15 # like rocks, codecs etc? 23.12.22 # yeah that stuff 23.12.32 # but no folder 23.13.09 # webguest74: ok, then you just have to make sure that you rockbox folder is named .rockbox with the perion in front 23.14.02 # yeah but itried downloading it and it doesnt have a period...and i tried puting it in myself but it doesnt work it says "must be file name" 23.14.22 # webguest74: which operating system are you using 23.14.40 # what do you mean? 23.14.45 # like windowes or mac? 23.14.49 # yes 23.14.55 # windows 23.15.08 # download a zip program that works properly then 23.15.15 # ok 23.15.15 # 7zip, winrar, whatever 23.15.24 # ok thyak you 23.15.29 # thank you 23.15.37 # : ) 23.15.42 # webguest74: or try this program http://download.rockbox.org/rbutil/win32/rbutil-v0.3.2.zip 23.16.00 # thanks 23.16.44 # oh thank you 23.16.58 # i've been looking for that like so long.... 23.17.05 # Thank You!! 23.17.08 # : ) 23.20.11 # * n1s manages to get binsize difference with the removed struct members to become +-0 :-) 23.22.54 # has anyone noticed issues with comment tags in id3v2.3 tags in any builds of rockbox? 23.25.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.26.37 # it worked thank you 23.28.43 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 23.29.25 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54966E7D.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.29.25 Quit webguest74 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23.33.08 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.12.235) 23.35.14 Join webguest35 [0] (i=4b213c73@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e2a1f28efd0b47a0) 23.35.23 # hey this is RockBox IRC right? 23.35.34 # webguest35: yes 23.35.50 # does rockbox support playing videos on the iPod Photo 4th gen? 23.36.05 # webguest35: yes 23.36.20 # what format must they be in? 23.36.25 Join Gursikh [0] (n=Gursikh@tremulous/officialdevannoyer/khalsa) 23.36.34 # mpeg1 or mpeg 2 23.36.37 Part Gursikh ("Leaving") 23.36.53 # where can i find a page on RochBox w/ instructions on how to convert vids? 23.37.06 # the wiki page PluginMpegplayer 23.37.19 # Awesome, thanks much n1s! 23.37.53 # my diff is picking up lots of changes that aren't really changes 23.37.53 Quit webguest35 (Client Quit) 23.38.03 # on the website it says that you can't duel-boot officially on cowon iaudios... does that mean you would have to wipe the original firmware to have rockbox? 23.38.09 # lots of lines where the old and new version are identical 23.38.13 # any idea what cases that? 23.38.17 # saratoga: newline differences? 23.38.34 # i added the --ignore-space option 23.39.36 # --strip-trailing-cr might be better 23.39.55 # (since sometimes space changes are wanted) 23.39.57 Join greezle [0] (i=hax0rjc@m83-188-66-237.cust.tele2.ru) 23.40.10 # pixelma: yes it is rockbox driven, though I am afraid that it might drain too much current, time will tell. 23.40.41 # Bagder: http://pastebin.ca/526613 23.41.00 # My plan was to implement it with a transistor as a switch and not be concerned with the current, but there is no place for that. 23.41.18 # tomorrow I will try to get some smd leds in my hands, it will be much better with these little leds 23.41.31 # saratoga: that looks like a trailing space 23.42.02 Quit The-Compiler (Remote closed the connection) 23.43.11 # saratoga: Some editors will strip trailing spaces... 23.43.23 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 23.44.44 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 23.44.56 # can someone please tell me if any changes were made to reading id3 tags from files? I just updated from an earlier build from a few months ago to EvilG's latest Fusion build on my Ipod 5.5 gen 30 GB 23.45.09 Quit Thundercloud_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 23.45.11 Quit greezle () 23.45.12 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B15D8C.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.46.02 # Arckon: we don't suppor unofficial builds here, ask questions about it in the relevant thread in the unsupported builds section of the forum 23.46.44 # ok thank you 23.46.57 Join greezle [0] (i=hax0rjc@m83-188-66-237.cust.tele2.ru) 23.46.59 # Arckon: Have you checked the id3v1/id3v2 preference setting is still what you want it to be? 23.47.15 # I wasn't sure if the issue was directly related to an unofficial build or not though 23.47.36 Join p3tur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 23.47.40 # I have the setting set to id3v2 first 23.48.00 # Why don't you try an official build? 23.48.16 # I have never made any changes to my tags, but I noticed that the newer build I am using seems to have issues with comment tags in my files 23.48.37 # I keep noticed that some of my files are coming up as in the track names 23.49.05 # all of my files have id3v2.3 tags 23.50.07 # I use mp3Tag to tag my files. 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