--- Log for 02.06.107 Server: niven.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 15 hours and 15 minutes ago 00.01.41 Quit secleinteer (Connection timed out) 00.02.01 Quit PaulJam (".") 00.02.39 Join webguest07 [0] (i=43ad8a99@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-01b66a99ef42af6d) 00.03.25 # mpeccorini, markun: hahah, adding __attribute__((__packed__)) to the mp3entry struct makes binsize increase 16KB for h300 :-) 00.03.32 # hi i have a question. is there a way to install a theme that i already downloaded with the rockbox utility? 00.03.40 # alright, after an hour of paypal sucking, my new gigabeat and zcover for said gigabeat are ordered! 00.04.07 # n1s: while it may seem obvious, I forgot to point out that pointers ( *something ) should be considered to have the size of the pointer only while arrays ( something[n] ) should be considered to have "n" times the size of the the array's type 00.05.25 # mpeccorini: I don't follow... 00.06.20 # if you have struct mystruct { int *int_pointer } the size is only the size of the pointer to the position in memory, not the size of the integer itself 00.06.34 # i figured since i gave the ipod 3 chances, that's how many i'll give the gigabeat... actually, i'll give it one more chance, this is the last one. since the first one broke so quickly 00.06.52 Quit petur ("here today, gone tomorrow") 00.06.59 # while, if you have struct mystruct { int my_array[10] } the size is ten times the size of int 00.07.19 # mpeccorini: yeah, and the size of all pointers are the same, right? (for the same cpu) 00.07.22 Join LycoLoco [0] (n=Lyco@cpe-075-181-041-203.carolina.res.rr.com) 00.07.28 Join Dorian_ [0] (n=chatzill@c-69-248-1-104.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 00.07.46 # n1s: right 00.07.51 Quit midkay_ ("Leaving") 00.08.14 # hey guys, I've got a Gigabeat F40 and while I can get bookmarks to work with shorter files, such as music and whatnot, I can't seem to get them to work on longer files, such as podcasts. Since this podcasts are really the only place I use bookmarks, anyone have any ideas or suggestions? 00.08.15 Quit spiorf_ (Remote closed the connection) 00.08.31 # n1s: just checking, did you apply the __attribute__((packed)) to the struct or to the members? it has to be to the struct 00.08.35 # can someone please help me? i really want to know if i can i already tried it. please? 00.08.37 # When I say they don't work, I mean that when I try to make a bookmark by pressing right ont the pad, nothing happens 00.09.19 # mpeccorini: I did it with the struct, size increased 16KB :-) 00.09.29 # jw, but are current builds the same as nightly builds? 00.09.46 # I don't understand why can it increase 00.10.50 # Dorian_: current builds are built on every source change, nightlies (or as we call them archived builds) are built at a fixed time every night, so the difference should be minimal 00.11.01 # mpeccorini: well, gcc is strange :-) 00.11.13 # nls:thanks 00.11.52 Quit lex (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.12.35 # should i try asking for help some other time? 00.12.55 # webguest07: I did not understand your question 00.12.59 # oh 00.13.01 # hi 00.13.06 # sorry 00.13.31 # can i install more themes on my ipod using the rockbox utility? 00.13.41 # webguest07: yes 00.13.41 Join secleinteer [0] (n=scl@adsl-70-237-205-147.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) 00.13.57 # but the themes that i already downloaded? 00.14.08 # not the ones on the utility 00.14.16 # Installing a theme is just copying the files to your ipod. 00.14.36 # how do i install theme? 00.14.46 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 00.14.48 # The theme should be in a zip file which contains the correct folders - just extract that zip file to your ipod. 00.14.54 # because when i do that manually they never work? 00.15.20 # if you did it the way linux told you, you may be missing some fonts 00.15.33 # can i make the utility do that for me? 00.15.40 # that can make the theme fail to load 00.15.45 # can it install them for me? 00.15.48 # webguest07: It may not be your fault - some themes require unofficial versions of Rockbox, and some theme WPS files are broken. 00.16.00 # oh 00.16.32 # Do any themes you've installed yourself work? 00.16.38 # http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=160x128x16 (thats where i found the themes i want) 00.16.56 # no none of those themes work. 00.17.03 # so i deleted them 00.17.22 # linuxstb: I need to make chessbox leave the backlight on while thinking (if the users chooses so). How do I do that? 00.18.00 # anyone have any idea why I cant use bookmarks on long files such as hour long podcasts? 00.18.04 # mpeccorini: Lots of other plugins do that - look at mpegplayer/mpegplayer.c for an example. 00.18.14 # ok, thanks 00.18.42 # linuxstb: I posted the new version of the feature to save PGN history by the way 00.18.52 # in case you have some time to look at it 00.19.07 # I used the same task, is that ok? 00.19.08 # __attribute__((packed)) will of course increase binary size a lot on SH and arm, because short and long members can become unaligned 00.19.35 # LycoLoco: Are you using the file broswer or database to access them? 00.19.36 # amiconn: isn't ((packed)) supposed to "align" them? 00.19.36 Quit webguest07 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.19.38 Join webguest45 [0] (i=43ad8a99@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6baf7871b05195cb) 00.19.43 # nope 00.19.47 # sorry i logged out by accident. 00.19.48 # linuxstb - file browser 00.19.53 # amiconn: the 16KB increase was for coldfire, though 00.19.56 Quit davina_ (Remote closed the connection) 00.20.13 # are those themes even for the ipod video? 00.20.14 # LycoLoco: Then I don't know... 00.20.15 # 'packed' packs the struct so that there are no gaps at all, regardless of member data sizes 00.20.17 # amiconn: also did you look at the patch? 00.20.41 # linuxstb: would it matter about using database vs file browser? 00.20.43 # webguest45: No - they're for the iaudio X5... 00.20.58 # oh 00.21.01 # It's meant to be used for reading well defined data formats, but even then coders often prefer to do the parsing 'by hand' 00.22.22 # i have two more questions. i have some gameboy roms on my ipod but when i play them the sound or music whatever is kind of dissorted do you know why? 00.22.46 # gcc doesn't reorder struct members. For packed structs it must not do that, for non-packed structs it would be useful... 00.23.01 # webguest45: Because no-one is developing Rockboy and it still has bugs/limitations. 00.23.16 # the other question is the mpeg player plays the movie but the sound is slower thsan the movie? 00.23.35 # webguest45: what's the samplerate of the audio? 00.23.49 # what do you mean? 00.23.55 # amiconn: re: what you said about gcc yesterday, there seems that quite a few improvements have made it into gcc 4.3 http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.3/changes.html#m68k 00.24.43 # webguest45: well, normally it should be 44100Hz so I can imagine the audio being slower if you use a file with a samplerate of 48000Hz 00.24.46 # webguest45: mpegplayer isn't very fast on the ipod video - you are better off playing videos in Apple's firmware. 00.25.11 # ok thanks anyway. : ) 00.25.26 # It can be done manually, grouping members by size, but that means giving up grouping related members together -> readability suffers 00.25.30 # webguest45: did you try one of the "Elefants Dream" sample movies? 00.26.02 # i would also like to know how you guys made rockbox make my ipod albe to play gameboy roms? 00.26.05 # Elephants even 00.26.20 # yeah i trie dthat elephants dream movie. 00.27.23 # did i ask that other question the right way? 00.27.34 # about the roms? 00.28.01 # hrrm 00.28.24 # * amiconn would like to see the tracks[] array vanish.... i.e. MoB 00.28.30 Join Hammer89 [0] (n=soc_inte@host-24-149-166-187.patmedia.net) 00.28.40 # amiconn: iiuc it will 00.29.00 # I forget... is there a specific place I can look to see if the e200 bootloader has been updated? 00.29.15 # *if/when 00.29.30 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 00.29.41 Quit haemmy () 00.30.17 # alright thank you guy's see ya!1 : ) 00.30.30 # Hammer89: You can just check the timestamp of the file on the download server. Any updates should be in the MajorChanges wiki page as well though. 00.30.59 Quit webguest45 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.31.05 # okay... thanks :) 00.32.06 Part Hammer89 00.33.04 # does the database include files like SID and SPC 00.34.03 # Yes 00.34.40 # linuxstb_: also, even if I have rockbox set up to autosave bookmarks on stop, it doens't when I'm listening to a podcast. any ideas? 00.37.32 # anyone have any ideas? is there a log that's available to me to see what is or isn't happening when I try to bookmark a podcast? 00.38.16 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.142.51) 00.40.46 # What format is your podcast? Rockbox doesn't treat podcasts any differently to any long files. 00.40.51 # mp3 00.41.09 # lemme find a long mix and throw it on there 00.41.16 # see if I have any issues with it 00.44.14 # it works just fine on a music track that's 2 and a half hours 00.44.19 # lemme try a different podcast 00.46.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.48.01 # it works on some podcasts and not others 00.49.16 # any rhyme or reason that creating a podcast shouldn't work? 00.50.16 # * linuxstb_ doesn't know 00.50.56 # me either 00.50.57 # not sure what's goin on here 00.56.22 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 00.58.04 Join Siltaar [0] (n=Siltaar@reverse-52.fdn.fr) 00.58.28 Quit robin0800 (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Would you like to know more?") 01.01.22 Join entheh [0] (n=purr@88-106-207-246.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 01.01.48 Quit Rincewind ("Cya") 01.03.14 Join orbit7 [0] (n=martijn@cp562554-a.landg1.lb.home.nl) 01.04.59 # thanks for making rockbox work on the 80gb ipod ;) 01.13.20 Quit Faemir (Remote closed the connection) 01.14.29 Quit ompaul ("night") 01.14.38 Quit ender` (" PCMCIA: People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms") 01.18.05 Quit Cassandra (" Like VS.net's GUI? Then try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 01.18.44 Join Cassandra [0] (n=Cassandr@elmyra.coraline.org) 01.19.29 Part pixelma 01.20.39 # hi, since a svn-change from May, 15th, the runtime calculation and charge/discharge curve for iPOD Videos is not correct. With patch #7216 there is a first attempt for better runtime calculation of the 30GB and 60/80GB-models as well as for the nano. 01.21.13 # there were also added new battery types for nano and both Videos 01.21.52 Quit Entasis (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.22.27 Join Entasis [0] (n=Jarred@ppp7-94.lns10.adl2.internode.on.net) 01.22.53 # i did something (like reset all settings?) and now if i load the theme, the icons don't get loaded 01.23.19 # DaneilW: icons are their own theme 01.23.27 # ? 01.23.54 # where do i load that? 01.25.32 # they should be in the same place where you load other themes 01.26.09 # i can load a normal theme and that icon theme at the same time? 01.26.27 # same place 01.26.43 # assume you copied them correctly 01.28.17 # add the moment it is building database (PLAY/PAUSE to return) . but pressing on play/pause doesn't bring me back 01.28.48 # at 01.29.06 # yea, i've had that problem as well w/ my ipod 01.29.44 # last time i pressed all over it until it rebooted with complete new settings 01.30.10 Quit thegeek () 01.30.29 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s189a.studby.ntnu.no) 01.32.33 # building database .... 10000 found :-) 01.32.37 Quit thegeek (Client Quit) 01.32.48 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s189a.studby.ntnu.no) 01.33.05 # yea, i have 4000+ songs on my and i got 7k 01.33.19 # ? 01.33.44 # if finds more then they really are? 01.33.49 # it 01.35.03 # well i dunno 01.35.47 # you know... i just reallized that it might be picking up the images from my webpages 01.35.47 # to bad, that the fat32 file system doesn't support : and ? in filenames. gave me a lot of errors while moving the files to the ipod 01.37.05 # Dorian_: webpages on your musicplayer? 01.37.08 Quit Siltaar (Remote closed the connection) 01.37.24 # yea, i use it as a portable drive as well 01.37.51 # there should be a way to say the rockbox "don't look in that dir" 01.38.12 # for exmaple with a .norock file in that dir 01.39.46 # yea 01.43.35 Part toffe82 01.44.53 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.142.51) 01.45.02 # building database... 16300 found 01.45.10 # mhhh 01.46.19 # jw who here is using a windows box? 01.47.49 # if i want to apply a patch do i do it with the .rockbox folder or the root of the player 01.50.16 # Neither 01.50.49 # a patch is a text file containing a list of changes to the Rockbox source code. You need to apply those changes to the source code and compile Rockbox yourself. 01.50.58 # the wiki says cd to/source/root patch < patchfile 01.51.42 # Yes, "to/source/root" is the folder on your computer containing a copy of the Rockbox source code. 01.52.22 # ah 01.52.51 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 01.54.01 # well i'm gonna tell everyone should look at my patch on that know (7111) allowing people to sort their podcast w/o custom filters 01.54.10 # similar to the ipod firmware 01.55.06 # ? 01.55.30 # erstelle tag datenbank dauert ja doch recht lange huh 01.55.39 # linuxstb: finally tracke ddown the bug in the integer wma decoder! 01.55.44 # oh sorry 01.55.48 # english channel 01.55.49 # saratoga: \o/ 01.55.50 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC") 01.55.56 Join saratoga [0] (i=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7acbf12aeb72a11d) 01.56.07 # saratoga: \o/ 01.56.19 # the decoder reuses exponents when the block size is less then or equal to a factor of two of the previous block size 01.56.35 # the code for doing this returns an array of all zeros 01.57.25 # instead of the old exponents 01.58.29 # So the integer decoder is producing decent output now? 01.58.42 # not yet, i'm not sure why this happens 01.58.47 Quit Dorian_ ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]") 01.58.50 # but I'm hoping to have good output by tonight 01.58.56 # Ah, so you've found it, but not fixed it? 01.59.02 # correct 01.59.29 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@c-71-205-0-132.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 01.59.41 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 02.00.57 Quit mpeccorini (" "happy week end"") 02.01.32 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 02.02.01 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.02.53 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@c-71-205-0-132.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 02.06.59 Quit jhulst (Client Quit) 02.10.39 Quit evilnick () 02.14.53 Quit Entasis (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.16.43 # one shouldn't use the database tracklist to play a track? here after that it opens a searching dialog and that takes minutes .... 02.19.33 # i don't understand how that works. it added 10 000 tracks to the playlist 02.19.42 # i just wanted to play that one selected song 02.21.00 # That's how Rockbox works - if you press select or right on a track in a list, it creates a playlist with the whole list. 02.21.21 # To just play the one track, hold down select and insert it into the playlist. 02.22.26 # ah 02.22.40 # and thats why it takes so long, becaue it is adding 10 000 tracks 02.22.50 Join DarthShrine [0] (n=angus@pdpc/supporter/student/DarthShrine) 02.23.02 # but the "play/pause to cancel" doesn't work 02.23.37 # I don't know about that. 02.25.47 # ok i don't get that all 02.25.58 # know i can not use it because playlist buffer is full 02.26.07 # but i can not clear the playlist 02.26.24 # and now there is this search windows from the database again 02.26.42 # i think i am to stuip to use rockbox 02.27.23 # stupid 02.29.12 Quit Buschel () 02.30.26 Part Joely 02.31.29 Quit atsea- (Remote closed the connection) 02.33.16 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-70-137-197-157.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) 02.34.59 Quit Thundercloud_ (Remote closed the connection) 02.46.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.46.54 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 02.51.50 Join atsea- [0] (i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-54d000ba421c5c01) 02.51.57 Join donutman25 [0] (n=chatzill@24.244.161.34) 02.53.25 Part nls 02.54.26 # is there a way to see how much songs are on my player? 02.55.30 # Run the "stats" plugin 02.56.27 Quit donutman25 (Client Quit) 02.59.44 Quit LycoLoco (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.02.00 # Music: 12813 :-) 03.14.42 # is there a way to just add mhh x random tracks? or an other way to listen random to complete collection? 03.16.02 # mhh? 03.16.32 # you can listen to your whole collection on random by going database->artist->all artist and putting it on shuffle 03.16.49 # where artist is anything with an 'all' option 03.17.13 # yes bu 03.17.14 # t 03.17.43 # it will not add more than 10 000 tracks to the playlist 03.17.58 # so i will get an error message there 03.18.02 # and it takes some time 03.18.07 # oh i see 03.18.17 # i would like to see a feature like "add 100 random tracks to playlist" 03.18.53 # DanielW: do you know how to program? 03.19.00 # yes 03.19.14 # good :) 03.19.40 # DanielW: You can increase that 10000 limit - General Settings -> System -> Limits -> Max Playlist Size 03.20.24 # linuxstb: i know 03.20.44 # Then why do you say it won't add more than 10000 tracks to the playlist? 03.20.58 Join Theglades00 [0] (n=chatzill@cpe-69-205-167-7.stny.res.rr.com) 03.21.42 # markun: but i never programmed on a that hardware near level. i used to develop programs for symbian os smartphones and oh that sometimes freaks me out. 03.22.09 # linuxstb: the ability to set such a limit and the default one for 10 000 is there for a reason 03.22.37 # linuxstb: it take quite some time to fill the playlist with so many tracks 03.23.00 # DanielW: for such a feature you don't really need to tuch any low level stuff 03.23.17 # DanielW: But it does work? 03.23.25 Quit dandin1 () 03.24.21 # ok, looked in the source yesterday (just a few patches) and for me (normaly developing logistical software in c#) the c code looks quite low level everywhere *g* 03.25.21 # linuxstb: will give it a try later. i am new to rockbox and just on my why to find out how the things i would like to to can be done 03.25.46 # DanielW: Also, are you using the database or the file browser? 03.26.10 # Do you have both dircache enabled and the database loaded to RAM? 03.26.18 # database mhh and flie browser (the later for various artist albums) 03.26.31 # dircache disabled 03.26.54 # Enabling dircache should speed things up. What about the database? 03.27.49 # i am not sure it seems quite slow. when i go to complete track list and press select or next, it takes mhh a few minutes 03.28.05 # while i see a "searching .... x found" message 03.28.16 # counting down 03.28.33 # what's "mhh"? 03.28.57 # sorry nothing. just "the sound of my brain thinking" 03.29.32 # should not use that in written language. and never in english 03.30.18 # Do you have the database loaded to RAM? (it's one of the settings) 03.31.50 Quit entheh ("^~") 03.34.01 # yes 03.34.10 # but will check again 03.34.19 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.34.40 Quit Theglades00 ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]") 03.35.01 # I think you also need to enable dircache for the load-to-ram option to work properly. 03.35.16 # mhh 03.35.30 # i will give it a try. how much ram will get used for the dircache? 03.36.14 # A few hundred KB I think. 03.36.38 Part TrueJournals 03.36.45 # After you've enabled it and rebooted, you can check the size in System -> Debug -> Dircache info 03.37.11 Nick z35_1 is now known as z35 (n=z@adsl-35-185-162.dab.bellsouth.net) 03.40.38 # what does the Anti-Skip-Buffer option mean in the playback options? 03.43.42 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 03.50.29 # is there no way to loading the ipod without having it on? 03.52.15 Join EspeonEefi [0] (n=espeonee@c-75-66-59-124.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) 03.56.47 Join zutme [0] (n=zutme@c-68-53-59-147.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) 03.58.05 # So I installed rockbox on my ipod 3g,but when I try to play music it stutters and then invariably crashes, and very often it crashes when booting. Would reinstalling/ using a different version be helpful or is it normally this buggy? 04.00.23 # rockbox is basically nonfunctional on the 3G 04.00.48 Quit EspeonEefi ("Leaving") 04.01.05 # damn that really sucks. it would be perfect if it worked. the features are so cool 04.01.44 # is this something that may get better in the future or am i pretty much sol 04.03.47 # is it normal that the ipod goes on, when i connect it with with usb to load the battery? 04.04.17 # it boots rockbox then. but i don't want it to boot rockbox just to load the battery 04.04.36 # Yes, you can't charge the ipod when it's off. 04.05.17 Join Soap [0] (n=Soap@host-69-95-92-143.har.choiceone.net) 04.05.42 # zutme: No-one is currently working on Rockbox on the 3G - but that doesn't mean no-one will in the future. It just needs a 3G owner to show interest. 04.06.54 Join EspeonEefi [0] (n=espeonee@c-75-66-59-124.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) 04.06.56 # does ipodlinux have better support? I triued i, but the interface was pretty sucky compared to rockbox 04.07.10 # zutme: You tell us... 04.07.19 # well it didnt crash 04.13.32 Join Brunellus [0] (n=luigi@unaffiliated/brunellus) 04.13.42 Part Brunellus ("Ex-Chat") 04.32.24 # ipod off and hold switch on hold -> plug in usb -> ipod boots rockbox -> rockbox says "cleared" and all settings and the database is lost :-( 04.32.52 Quit secleinteer (Connection timed out) 04.37.04 Join webguest51 [0] (i=42444ee1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b079669f75d2f8e5) 04.37.09 # Ok i've installed the image and the player on my dev computer that does not have internet. I've used cygwin on a computer that does have internet to get the daily build. I have copied the rockbox folder over to my dev computer but cant figure out how to get to it in vmware. Where should i put the folder? 04.37.09 # 04.39.36 Quit kk_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.46.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.50.21 Join jack__ [0] (n=jack@pool-71-114-145-182.hrbgpa.dsl-w.verizon.net) 04.52.12 Join krazykit [0] (n=kkit@ppp-70-229-30-254.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net) 04.53.31 # Ok i've installed the image and the player on my dev computer that does not have internet. I've used cygwin on a computer that does have internet to get the daily build. I have copied the rockbox folder over to my dev computer but cant figure out how to get to it in vmware. Where should i put the folder? 04.53.32 # 04.57.11 Quit webguest51 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 05.06.16 Quit jack_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.14.10 Quit krazykit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.14.15 Join krazykit [0] (n=kkit@ppp-70-229-30-254.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net) 05.29.42 Join BigMac_ [0] (n=mike@c-71-234-95-131.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) 05.34.43 Quit krazykit (Connection timed out) 05.34.45 Join grndslm [0] (n=grndslm@69.92.23.67) 05.36.39 Quit DanielW ("Leaving") 05.42.05 # anyone still awake? 06.04.21 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 06.06.17 Join krazykit [0] (n=kkit@ppp-70-229-30-254.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net) 06.20.45 Quit thegeek (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.22.00 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s189a.studby.ntnu.no) 06.46.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.49.34 Join kayasha [0] (i=46518fe6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-bb2c438f09bd92ce) 06.49.39 # hi people 06.49.50 # Quick question if anyone is online 06.50.16 # ? 06.52.42 # hello? 06.53.18 Join Entasis [0] (n=Jarred@ppp7-94.lns10.adl2.internode.on.net) 06.53.37 # ??? 06.59.19 Join Matt544 [0] (n=bamf_722@adsl-76-208-82-175.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) 06.59.29 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B15682.dip.t-dialin.net) 07.00.18 Quit Matt544 (Client Quit) 07.00.21 Join Matt544 [0] (n=bamf_722@adsl-76-208-82-175.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) 07.00.41 # Anyone help me on installing a Super Mario ROM I have? it is in .nes format 07.01.20 # ? 07.02.39 # Matt544: Rockbox doesn't support NES games 07.02.52 # How do you install like Pacman and such? 07.02.56 # Gameboy and Gameboy Color roms work fine though 07.03.04 # ROMs i know, but how do i install a Pacman ROM? 07.03.05 # hello 07.03.12 # quick question 07.03.22 # what about N64 roms? 07.03.43 # nope, no n64 either 07.03.47 # i got a Iriver h10 5gb, i installed the nnew build and im having Codec fail 07.03.53 # take a look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginPacbox for pacman 07.04.32 # i need new bootloader right? 07.05.08 # So how do install files that end in .gb? 07.05.43 # Matt544: just copy them to your player and the play them like you would an audio file 07.07.00 # anyone care to help me ? 07.07.15 # kayasha: Yes, you need a new bootloader. Just follow the directions in the manual 07.07.22 # Copy them into what folder 07.07.45 # Matt544: which ever folder you want 07.09.17 Join dunder [0] (n=grndslm@69.92.23.67) 07.09.22 Quit dunder (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.10.43 Part Matt544 07.12.01 # Llorean where do i find it 07.12.10 # i've been looking and didn't find it 07.12.12 # kayasha: In the manual... 07.12.18 # There's even a link to it. 07.13.15 Quit ze (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.13.15 Join ze_ [0] (i=ze@cpe-76-175-22-254.socal.res.rr.com) 07.13.30 Nick ze_ is now known as ze (i=ze@cpe-76-175-22-254.socal.res.rr.com) 07.16.10 # now i get error -1 -.- 07.17.29 # Is there a rockbox.mi4 in your /.rockbox/ folder? 07.17.44 # non in root 07.17.52 # they told me to delete so i deleted it 07.18.00 # Well, WHO told you? 07.18.04 # The manual doesn't say to 07.18.38 # You need that file there for it to work with the current bootloader. 07.18.42 # Rockbox.h10, in the root, isn't used. 07.18.43 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.18.52 # -.- where do i get it now 07.18.57 # In the normal rockbox zip... 07.19.48 # in the zip 07.19.55 # there is a rockbox.mi4 07.20.08 # no Rockbox.h10 07.20.14 # As I said, rockbox.h10 isn't used 07.20.18 # It's an old file 07.20.21 # okok 07.20.46 # buim getting error -1 07.21.22 # Did you do what I said, extract a rockbox.zip properly so that there's a rockbox.mi4 in /.rockbox/ ? 07.21.35 # ok yes there is one 07.21.41 # after? 07.21.43 # And the error -1 is happening even after that? 07.21.56 # rebooting 07.22.00 # and yep 07.22.21 # Yep you still get it? 07.22.33 # ya 07.22.38 # Did you actually reinstall the bootloader? 07.22.46 # Exactly what the manual says to do for installing the bootloader? 07.24.07 # Download 07.24.07 # http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/iriver/H10.mi4 if your player is UMS or 07.24.07 # http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/iriver/H10˙5GB-MTP/H10.mi4 if it is MTP. 07.24.07 DBUG Enqueued KICK kayasha 07.24.07 # Connect your H10 to the computer using UMS mode and the UMS trick if necessary. 07.24.07 # Rename the H10.mi4 file to OF.mi4 in the System directory on your H10 07.25.17 Quit rotator () 07.25.19 # I didn't ask you to copy and paste the directions. 07.25.22 # I asked you, did you do them? 07.25.28 # yep 07.25.36 # What version number does your bootloader report? 07.26.11 # 20061219-151 then it cut off 07.26.15 # That's not it, then 07.26.27 # The current one starts with 2007 07.26.34 # ok wait 07.26.45 # You missed a step 07.26.53 # Or copied over the wrong file 07.29.20 # i just redownloaded the build 07.29.29 # and copying them 07.29.36 # Not the build 07.29.37 # The bootloader 07.29.49 # i got the one from the link in the manula 07.29.51 # manual 07.30.16 # The bootloader and the build are two different things 07.30.23 # i know that 07.30.32 # Then why did you redownload the build? 07.30.38 # The bootloader is out of date, and that's your problem 07.30.38 # just to make sure 07.30.47 # wher edo i get the up to date one 07.30.53 # The link you pasted above 07.31.02 # The files there are dated March '07 07.31.02 # that is the one i downloaded lol 07.31.22 # If you definitely downloaded the march '07 one, you didn't copy it to your player properly 07.31.29 # But somewhere along the line, you didn't get the mar '07 file in the right place 07.32.44 # i need to remain 07.32.56 # to OF.mi4 right 07.33.09 # You rename the OLD h10.mi4 to it 07.33.29 # i don't have old 07.33.34 # that is my problem 07.33.36 # -.- 07.33.44 # The old one is the one on the player 07.33.51 # You rename the one on the player, then you copy the new one to it 07.33.54 # Exactly like the manual says 07.34.07 # It says *very* clearly that you rename the one in the system folder before the step where it says to copy the downloaded one over. 07.34.15 # i only have one in the root file 07.34.26 # Then you didn't install properly the first time 07.34.35 # You won't be able to boot into the iRiver firmware without the OF.mi4 07.34.36 # it was working before lol 07.34.45 # Was the original iRiver firmware dual boot working? 07.34.51 # noe 07.34.59 # Because that's ALL the OF.mi4 is for 07.35.04 # So, see, you didn't install properly before. 07.35.06 # original 07.35.08 # yaa 07.35.29 # Now, you need to copy the downloaded bootloader MI4 file into the system folder on your device. Don't rename that one to OF.MI4 07.35.54 # You should have a file with the same name to overwrite with it. 07.37.01 # i need a rockbox.h10 file 07.37.08 # No, you don't 07.37.19 # im confused like hell 07.37.36 # Follow the instructions in the manual, exactly as they're written, but ignore the step about making an OF.MI4 07.37.49 # Why do you think you need a rockbox.h10 file? 07.37.57 # I told you earlier you don't need it, and the manual doesn't need it. 07.37.59 # because i had that before 07.38.10 # YOU DO NOT NEED IT NOW 07.38.11 # It's OLD 07.38.16 # Please believe me. 07.38.18 # I'm not lying to you. 07.38.20 # I didn't lie to you before. 07.38.31 # im not saying your lying :P 07.38.48 # Well you said you need it, suggesting rather strongly you don't believe me. 07.38.58 # can i just format and restart 07.39.11 # Follow the instructions in the manual, exactly as they're written, but ignore the step about making an OF.MI4 07.39.17 # If you just do that, exactly, you'll be fine 07.39.24 # You still won't be able to dual boot, but it should work fine other than that 07.40.11 # ok i did that 07.40.19 # didn't remain and didn't wor 07.40.20 # work 07.40.25 # "remain"? 07.40.29 # rename 07.40.33 # * 07.40.38 # Did you overwrite a file with it? 07.40.57 # ya ...... 07.41.03 # And what version does it say now when you boot? 07.41.07 # 2006 07.41.09 # weird 07.41.11 # as hell 07.41.12 # What's the date on the file? 07.41.31 # How many MI4 files do you have in the /system folder, and what are they named? 07.41.38 # 1 07.41.48 # Named? 07.41.49 # h10.mi4 07.42.06 # 2007-06-02 07.42.09 Join secleinteer [0] (n=scl@adsl-70-237-205-147.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) 07.42.14 # Ah, right 07.42.20 # What's the size of it? 07.42.22 # 50 07.42.24 # kb 07.42.48 # And that's the file you just downloaded today? 07.42.55 # just 5 min ago 07.43.01 # And it's giving "Error: -1" 07.43.04 # ya 07.43.21 # im using a usm mode 07.44.16 # before it was working but had codec fail, and now ot working at all 07.44.22 # And did you remove the battery? 07.44.33 # remove ya why 07.44.49 # To force a full restart? 07.45.02 # no to connect in um mode 07.45.07 # usm* 07.45.32 # And yours is an MTP, UMS, or Pure? 07.45.47 # MTP and UMS 07.45.56 # UMS is a trick to boot it in 07.46.08 # maybe if i use bootloader from MTP 07.46.21 # There are ones that are UMS only 07.46.29 # If yours CAN boot into MTP at all, it's an MTP player 07.46.34 # And you must use the MTP bootloader 07.46.49 # You still need to be in UMS mode to copy it over. 07.47.01 # ah 07.47.14 # error -1 07.47.26 # Did the date change? 07.47.29 # nope 07.47.37 # Does yours have a radio? 07.47.38 # i didn't rename 07.47.42 # ya 07.47.58 # Well something weird is happening. 07.48.15 # it was working before i deleted rockbox.h10 07.48.18 # lol 07.48.24 # It wasn't working 07.48.28 # You were getting codec failures 07.48.31 # still 07.48.34 # Because the .h10 file was outdated, and the codecs were from the new build 07.48.38 # you would never be able to fix that 07.48.43 # iok ok \ 07.48.46 # Because the bootloader needs to load the rockbox.mi4 file now 07.48.50 # Which means you need to update your bootloader 07.49.00 # ok how do i update it / 07.49.07 # Apparently you can't 07.49.13 # weird 07.49.14 # Because you're telling me you're doing things exactly right, but it's not working 07.49.27 # maybe the build i got is wrong? 07.49.33 # It's not the build 07.49.35 # It's the bootloader 07.49.39 # You need to update the bootloader 07.49.40 # ya ok 07.49.43 # weird 07.50.02 # As you can clearly see by visiting the site, the bootloader file was uploaded in March 20, '07 07.50.12 # Yours is reporting it was made in 2006 07.50.15 # It's definitely outdated 07.50.22 # The question is why your player isn't updating to the new one. 07.50.44 # maybe because is the renaming part? 07.50.52 # What renaming part? 07.50.56 # to of 07.51.02 # OF means "original firmware" 07.51.04 # It's for the dual boot 07.51.17 # The of.mi4 doesn't get loaded until *after* the Rockbox bootloader loads, and you hold down a button. 07.51.26 # i never did thata 07.51.33 # so ok 07.51.45 # If you read the manual carefully, the renaming is for the OLD file, the original .mi4, not the one you download 07.52.29 # if i format my iriver, i clear it, after i install the latest build + bootloader 07.52.32 # ?? 07.52.49 # Reformatting shouldn't make any difference. 07.52.54 # You can if you'd like 07.53.01 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 07.53.06 Part kaaloo 07.53.15 # i'll try, but like you said wouldn't make a difference ? -.- 07.53.25 # btw i finished doom 07.53.30 Part Llorean 08.07.54 Quit kayasha ("CGI:IRC") 08.10.53 Quit maffe (Remote closed the connection) 08.14.59 Quit kubiixaka ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 08.17.27 Quit atsea- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.17.51 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54b17de7.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.20.41 Join kayasha [0] (i=46518fe6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-71ff02669aba6fef) 08.20.59 # can anyone help me 08.21.59 Part toffe82 08.26.13 # ? 08.32.35 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.33.42 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 08.33.52 # so no one can help me 08.37.04 # I saw you already talked to our best support guy... 08.38.36 # petur 08.38.44 # i know but know i got another problem 08.38.52 # which is? 08.39.00 # i formated my iriver 08.39.11 # and installed the latest version 08.39.30 # but it doesn't load and goes in normal iriver firmware 08.40.38 # I know very little about the iriver h10... I'll have to read the install instructions myself so I can't tell you more than what's in them 08.41.00 # oh thanks anyways 08.41.28 # i'll probably stick with the normal iriver firmware then for now 08.41.50 # did you check all steps carefully? 08.42.03 # ya 08.42.45 # i think it's tjhe bootloader 08.43.00 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 08.43.00 # * petur wonders if there's a difference between 5 and 20GB h10 (install-wise) 08.43.06 # and i saw on forum that the new build is only for ackron players 08.43.21 # ackron? 08.43.36 # archos 08.43.57 # I think you're confusing things 08.44.37 # rockbox latest build works on all targets that are listed in the 'current build' page 08.44.44 # okok 08.44.52 # 5 or 20GB version? 08.44.56 # 5 08.45.06 # i can't log in rockbox for now 08.45.29 # I'm reading the instructions now 08.45.47 # im saying that im missing a file 08.46.07 # rockbox.h10 file 08.46.21 # but some one said it's old didn't need it 08.46.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.47.55 # you need a rockbox.mi4 file in /.rockbox/ 08.48.07 # yap got that 08.48.59 # your player is attached to your pc now? 08.49.30 Quit DarthShrine (Remote closed the connection) 08.49.54 # ap 08.50.00 # im UMS mode 08.50.04 # yes* 08.50.08 # if you attach it, does it show up as a removable diskdrive or as a media device 08.50.17 # disk drive 08.50.22 # i used trick 08.50.51 # that's what I wanted to know. so it's a MTP version 08.51.04 # the onlything i didn't do was the rename the old file, i don't have one 08.51.15 # i think that is the problem 08.51.30 # no H10.mi4 in the system directory? 08.51.39 # in system ya 08.51.42 # not in root 08.51.54 # i tried renaming and i got a error message 08.52.07 # it has to be in the system dir 08.52.28 # saying i lost all data need to get firmware to recover 08.52.31 # ok ya it's there 08.52.33 # that's probably your mistake, you're trying to put stuff in the root 08.53.00 # where do i put bootloader? 08.53.03 # the new one 08.53.08 # in system ? or root? 08.54.01 # the install guide says you have to rename H10.mi4 to OF.mi4 INSIDE the SYSTEM dir, and then copy the correct H10.mi4 from rockbox inside that system dir 08.54.22 # your a genius 08.54.24 # there were two links for that bootloader 08.54.40 # i only needed to put the new bootloader in system not root 08.54.57 # I'm not a genius, but I can read install instructions :p 08.55.27 # the instruction doessn't point out that you put new bootloader in system dir 08.55.37 # http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h10_5gb/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 <--- that one does 08.55.41 # it's in the manual 08.55.52 # "Copy the H10.mi4 (or H10EMP.mi4 if you have a H10 Pure) file you downloaded to the System directory on your player. 08.55.52 # " 08.56.10 # it's all there, just have to read it correctly 08.56.14 # ohh oops 08.56.21 # i though that was for pure h10 08.56.24 # that is why 08.56.26 # Thanks 08.56.26 # is it booting now? 08.56.33 # im in rockbox 08.56.37 # +DD 08.56.39 # =DD 08.56.40 # congrats and welcome 08.56.50 # ouff you saved me 08.57.10 # not for themes and fonts lool -.- 08.57.24 # * petur tosses support hat away and goes for a walk 08.57.53 # lol fonts are easy 09.04.22 Quit midgey (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.08.53 # Thanks, im going to bed 09.09.11 Quit kayasha ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 09.12.20 Join pengo [0] (i=pengo@60-242-139-27.tpgi.com.au) 09.13.13 # Rockbox has been giving me "Codec failure" on my HP-120 for months now. Any obvious things to check for before i file a bug report? 09.14.20 # is there a rockbox.xxx file in the root? remove it 09.18.22 # pengo? 09.18.28 # yay. now my machine's usb ports are failing. 09.18.32 # (unrelated problem) 09.19.02 Quit printfXh4 (Remote closed the connection) 09.19.03 # grr 09.19.25 Join printfXh4 [0] (n=pseudo@ppp234-76.lns1.bne4.internode.on.net) 09.19.41 # i'll try on the xo-1 09.22.37 # petur: delete rockbox.iriver ? 09.22.46 # if it's in the root, yes 09.22.56 # ok done... 09.23.04 # the current builds put it in /.rockbox 09.23.38 # it's still saying Codec Failure 09.23.58 # wav/ogg/mp3 all 09.23.59 # did you unzip completely? 09.24.14 # and did you restart it? 09.24.20 Join pseudo_ [0] (n=pseudo@ppp234-76.lns1.bne4.internode.on.net) 09.24.24 Quit printfXh4 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 09.24.26 # i'll do it again. last time i did it i didn't delete the old one. 09.24.40 # has there been a need to update the bootloader ever? 09.24.54 # you should be using version 6 09.24.59 # (which is the latest) 09.25.17 # i'm on 5 09.25.19 # hm 09.25.48 # install 6 09.26.00 # and since deleting rockbox.x it boots straight to the original firmware.... 09.26.02 # ok........ 09.26.26 # you need 6 for the current builds 09.26.48 # has to do with the location of rockbox.iriver 09.28.08 # sorry to ask a stupid question.. but where can i find the bootloader install files? 09.29.59 # found it i think 09.32.23 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBoot 09.32.42 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 09.35.28 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 09.36.40 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@c-71-205-0-132.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 09.38.03 Quit grndslm (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09.38.03 NSplit niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 09.38.03 Quit BigMac_ (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09.38.03 Quit jack__ (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09.38.03 Quit zutme (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09.38.03 Quit orbit7 (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09.38.03 Quit amiconn (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09.38.03 Quit desowin (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09.38.03 Quit HEx (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09.38.03 Quit linuxstb (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09.38.04 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 09.39.06 Quit XbooX (Killed by douglas.freenode.net (Nick collision)) 09.39.10 Join XbooX [0] (n=xboox04@206.186.45.240) 09.39.10 NHeal niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 09.39.10 NJoin grndslm [0] (n=grndslm@69.92.23.67) 09.39.10 NJoin BigMac_ [0] (n=mike@c-71-234-95-131.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) 09.39.10 NJoin jack__ [0] (n=jack@pool-71-114-145-182.hrbgpa.dsl-w.verizon.net) 09.39.10 NJoin zutme [0] (n=zutme@c-68-53-59-147.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) 09.39.10 NJoin orbit7 [0] (n=martijn@cp562554-a.landg1.lb.home.nl) 09.39.10 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@unaffiliated/desowin) 09.39.10 NJoin HEx [0] (i=HEx@213-228-241-143.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk) 09.39.10 NJoin linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 09.39.11 *** Server message 505: 'logbot_ :Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. 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( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )' 09.40.26 # firmware upgrading........... 09.40.53 # yay 09.40.56 # i can use rockbox again 09.41.23 # congrats 09.41.31 # i kinda wish there was a warning that a bootloader upgrade was needed 09.43.09 Nick pseudo_ is now known as printfXh4 (n=pseudo@ppp234-76.lns1.bne4.internode.on.net) 09.44.05 # wow the new menu almost looks usable 09.46.34 # if you had color, I'd tel you to install an iconset ;) 09.46.58 # color.. pfft :) 09.47.10 # * petur waits for a remark by amiconn 09.47.18 # i could use a font set though.. doesn't seem to have any built in now? 09.47.24 # (apart from default) 09.50.44 # it's under extra's on the rockbox site 09.53.02 # ah k 09.53.59 # i can startup from where i was up to again. f'n missed that so much. 09.55.48 # now if only the cursor-right button worked and both headphone/out jacks weren't wobbly it'd be as good as new. 09.56.13 # heh 09.58.21 # there isn't a "play 30% faster" tempo setting somewhere, is there? 10.02.58 # it's going to take a long time to catch up on my podcasts :/ 10.07.35 Join david1 [0] (n=david52@84.72.254.113) 10.08.59 # pengo: there's the pitch screen... 10.10.58 # i found that once...... 10.11.34 # but good mp3 players (or at least cheap chinese no-brand ones) let you increase speed without changing pitch 10.11.59 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 10.12.24 # do they? 10.12.29 # well this one does 10.12.32 # (points) 10.12.59 # can get through slow-talking podcasts a lot faster 10.13.09 # there's a plugin for winamp that does it called pacemaker 10.13.16 # there's been talk about it, don't know of actual plans 10.13.37 # would be my #1 fav feature 10.13.51 # mp3 players are a bit low on cpu, so it could be critical 10.14.12 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 10.16.13 # i don't think the speed change would take much more cpu for an mp3, because the mp3 already is stored as frequencies.. so it's just reading/processing it faster that would hurt.. but wavs and flacs might be more limiting if you have to do a FFT on it first.. (i'm guessing here) 10.17.37 # if it's done in rockbox, it will probably be done for all formats, not just mp3 10.18.16 # yep 10.18.26 # well i hope it gets done soon. 10.18.41 # i dont want to have to work out how to code it myself :) 10.19.50 # there are no actual plans, so no real hopes... 10.20.04 # * petur looks at preglow 10.21.01 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host132-158-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 10.23.39 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 10.24.49 # For mp3 it's not too demanding to change speed without pitch, but doing it for all of them is too demanding for any of our target CPUs except perhaps the gigabeat 10.24.49 # hi preglow... :) 10.25.00 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 10.25.14 # For mp3 it would even be possible on the archoses 10.26.06 Quit midgey () 10.26.10 # amiconn: could pre-pitch change (save to a new, faster file) before playing? or simply jsut support mp3 (+ogg?) 10.28.55 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.29.12 # For mp3 the procedure would be as follows: (1) change the mp3 stream to 320kbps cbr on the fly, with no bit reservoir usage in the converted stream. (2) Speed up by dropping frames, or time stretch by duplicating frames 10.29.45 # I don't know whether this technique will be possible for other transform codecs 10.31.13 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 10.33.45 Join isaac_w [0] (n=isaac@bzq-82-81-16-49.red.bezeqint.net) 10.33.47 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B17DE7.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.37.11 # so can we just implement it for mp3 and deal with the rest later? 10.38.30 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B15231.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.40.07 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 10.45.46 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@88.218.17.118) 10.45.53 Join rift [0] (n=heroes@131.56.70-86.rev.gaoland.net) 10.46.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.49.07 Join bluebrother [0] (i=l4cvEJHC@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 10.50.01 # i'm going to have to work out how to make a script to pre-speedup podcasts 10.50.16 # before uploading to the iriver 10.55.30 Join atsea- [0] (i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-5c600aa7d69e7976) 10.55.41 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.09.15 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.dsl.t-2.net) 11.09.15 Quit thegeek (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.10.27 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s189a.studby.ntnu.no) 11.15.17 Quit midgey () 11.18.01 Quit joshin (SendQ exceeded) 11.23.12 Quit grndslm (Connection timed out) 11.24.24 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-70-113-91-140.austin.res.rr.com) 11.24.47 # is the ipod mini able to play mpeg videos, because here it says yes http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginIndex but here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer i dont see anything about ipod mini 11.25.23 # That's because technically it can, but we really, really don't suggest it. 11.25.42 # And on the second page it does say the iPod Mini can, in the list at the very, very end 11.26.47 # how many fps can it play more than 5? 11.27.57 # mpegplayer works on the mini, but I wouldn't call it usable 11.28.20 # Audio stutters.... 11.28.23 Quit EspeonEefi ("Leaving") 11.30.59 Quit rift ("d'accord") 11.31.16 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@14.11.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 11.32.41 Join rift [0] (n=opera@131.56.70-86.rev.gaoland.net) 11.33.01 Join linuxstb [0] (i=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 11.33.50 # amiconn: How bad is the audio stuttering? Do you think it's very close to realtime? 11.38.42 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.70.168) 11.38.44 Join kramdra [0] (n=Kramdra@82-43-219-92.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) 11.40.43 # hi, i just bought my gigabeat, and im using win2k, which doesnt seem to eb supported by the toshiba driver.. is there any other driver I can use to install rockbox? 11.41.33 # it doesnt show as a mass storage thing :( 11.43.02 # Are you connecting via the dock? 11.44.26 # yeah 11.44.36 # if it's UMS you shouldn't need a driver, no? 11.44.39 # Try connecting directly via a cable. 11.44.47 # ok 11.44.54 Quit Xerion (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.45.24 # IIIUC, when connecting via the Dock, the gigabeat connects in MTP mode (but this may be changable by a setting in the Toshiba firmware), but when connecting via the cable, it always using UMS. 11.45.57 # thanks, i can see it now :) 11.46.45 # before i put rockbox on, should I put the other software just incase i need to format and start again/ or can this be done later 11.47.00 # What other software? 11.47.08 # gigabeat room 11.47.18 # You only need that if you want to use Toshiba's firmware. 11.47.27 # k 11.47.44 # I wouldn't recomend Gigabeat Room to anyone 11.48.00 # I would recommend making a backup of the "GBSYSTEM" folder on your gigabeat first - e.g. zip it up and store it somewhere safe on your PC. 11.48.11 # (before you start to install Rockbox) 11.48.38 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 11.48.51 Part kaaloo 11.48.53 # hmm now i need to remember... how do i update the rockbox source from cygwin so i can build it... /goes off to read 11.49.27 # if you have a svn checkout, just "svn up" in the source tree 11.49.49 # I would suggest using the official bootloader binary - it's been tested and is known to work. It's very possible that bootloaders in SVN can be broken without anyone knowing. 11.49.50 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@i-83-67-214-206.freedom2surf.net) 11.50.13 # * kramdra confused 11.50.25 # About what? 11.51.23 # should i just use http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-gigabeatf/rockbox.zip to install then? 11.51.48 # that's the current build. You most likely want that 11.52.09 # k, that has the bootloader you said to use? 11.52.09 Part Llorean 11.52.29 # no, the bootloader is a different download. http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/gigabeat/FWIMG01.DAT 11.52.39 # see the manual, it should have it linked 11.53.07 # k 11.53.18 # kramdra: or these install instructions: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort#Installation_Instructions 11.53.41 # bootloader installation in the manual: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-gigabeatf/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-120002.2.4 11.57.07 Join digitrasher [0] (n=digitras@84-104-156-206.cable.quicknet.nl) 11.57.21 # digitrasher - freenet> 11.57.41 # * stripwax might be imagining things 11.58.36 # ? 11.59.02 # digitrasher - didn't you just leave #freenet and join #rockbox? 11.59.36 # jup 11.59.46 # is that a problem? 12.00.24 # heh, nope. just saw your name flash in both my client windows at the same time ;) 12.00.32 # ooh ok 12.00.39 # (wanna swap refs?) 12.01.24 # ok 12.01.36 # but i have to startup up my freenet machine 12.02.35 # its starting 12.03.12 Join grndslm [0] (n=grndslm@24-116-87-97.cpe.cableone.net) 12.03.25 # why are you using freenet stripwax? 12.04.03 # digitrasher : - no real reason.. I went to university with Ian Clarke so I guess I feel I ought to .. :) 12.04.24 # ok 12.04.57 # digitrasher - sent you a private msg 12.07.25 Quit digitrasher (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.07.37 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 12.08.04 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 12.08.45 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@i-83-67-214-206.freedom2surf.net) 12.08.59 # * stripwax beats his irc client with a stick .. again .. 12.10.16 Join cax [0] (i=50b204e0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6d4049416805cd26) 12.10.27 Join davina_ [0] (n=dave@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 12.10.47 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 12.14.08 # Hi, guys. Can you please tell me: (1) what's the default CPU speed in e200 (2) can it be boosted, and if yes - what's the boosted freq (3) does latest change "e200: Use clocking set up by loader and skip setting the values for now" mean there is no boosting anymore ? (4) why do I get "Undefined instruction" with the newest build ? 12.17.48 # linuxstb: Not close to realtime 12.18.30 # amiconn: OK... Is the greyscale blitting very CPU intensive? 12.18.31 # Iiuc the problem is that audio runs on core0, and the grayscale lib also runs on core0, drawing a significant amount of performance 12.18.35 Join neutralrobotboy [0] (n=neutralr@177.169.233.220.exetel.com.au) 12.18.43 # Yes, that's the difference compared to other ipods. 12.18.53 Part neutralrobotboy 12.19.03 Join jonno [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 12.19.04 # The problem is that we don't know how to control the pp->lcd controller interface in an efficient way 12.19.06 Join neutralrobotboy [0] (n=neutralr@177.169.233.220.exetel.com.au) 12.19.42 # On H1x0 there is no such problem, and the grayscale library needs <10% of the total cpu time 12.20.01 # So much less than the lcd_yuv_blit I would expect. 12.20.30 # hey, can anyone in here tell me if it's possible to have different default directories for different rockbox versions? i have 2 versions of rockbox on my iriver h320, and i would like them to read from different plugin directories. is this possible? 12.21.25 # neutralrobotboy: When you compile Rockbox, you can change the name of the .rockbox folder - so you need to compile one of them with something different. (I forget where it's defined, just search the source). 12.21.25 # The grayscale library needs cpu power for 2 different things: (1) converting the 8 bit greyscale source image into bitplanes. (2) constantly pushing the bitplanes to the lcd 12.21.42 # CPU usage for (1) is dynamic - no change, no cpu usage 12.22.09 # But CPU usage for (2) is fixed, only depending on the lcd area covered by the grayscale overlay 12.22.27 # If we want mpegplayer to run dual-core greyscale targets, I think we would need to move the tick task to the second core. 12.22.37 # I didn't measure (1) in comparison to lcd_yuv_blit() on a colour target 12.23.01 # High load from (1) only reduces mpeg frame rate, but high load from (2) is bad 12.23.34 # I think the pp->lcd interface can be handled a lot faster than what we do now - if we find out how... 12.25.36 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 12.28.48 # In the mini G2, the interface between PP and lcd controller itself is serial (deduced from the sequence used to transfer data, and the lcd controller datasheet), and this serial interface is fed from a shift register in the pp, so the cpu just writes parallel data (16 bit at a time) 12.29.21 # Right now, were' sending the init sequence, then one 16 bit word, then wait until done, and repeat 12.30.08 # But it should be possible to send many 16 bit words after the init sequence - if we find out how to tell the pp shift register logic how many words we want to send 12.30.20 Quit orbit7 () 12.30.21 # Similar to what the colour lcd driver does 12.31.21 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.212.16) 12.31.47 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.34.26 # linuxstb: alright. thanks, i'll have to look at that later. 12.34.29 Part neutralrobotboy 12.37.46 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.37.46 # mpegplayer plugin... how do i quit playing a video.. menu and A keys dont work for me, and select is pause/play 12.38.02 # power I think 12.38.13 # ah thanks 12.38.17 # ah, from menu you cannot exit it either? 12.39.26 # nope 12.39.42 # so, can rockbox boost Sansa e200 cpu in the latest build ? could it before ? what were the boosted and not boosted freqs ? 12.41.02 Part rift 12.41.25 # cax: Checking the SVN logs, boosting on the Sansa was disabled about 5 weeks ago ("it caused problems"). The frequencies were 30MHz/75MHz, so now I would expect it to run at a constant 75MHz. 12.43.08 Join kaalo1 [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 12.43.12 Part kaalo1 12.43.49 Join rift [0] (n=heroes@131.56.70-86.rev.gaoland.net) 12.44.19 # linuxstb: 10x, I just were reading last changes and saw this "e200: Use clocking set up by loader and skip setting the values for now" 12.46.02 # linuxstb: Would it be possible to put the audio thread in mpegplayer on the cop, and the video thread on the cpu? 12.46.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.47.20 Join entheh [0] (n=purr@88-106-218-0.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 12.47.40 Nick jonno is now known as JdGordon (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 12.47.56 # amiconn: I think that will cause caching problems - the audio "DMA" function (FIQ handler) runs on the main cpu. 12.48.49 # I chose to put the video thread on the COP as it is completely self-contained, so it's easier to make sure the cache isn't a problem. 12.50.06 # Although there is a large ringbuffer for audio output, so it might work - i.e. the fiq handler will always be reading from an old part of the buffer, and the cache should have been flushed by then. But it doesn't feel safe.... 12.51.21 # Hmm 12.51.31 # What would be required to put an isr on the cop? 12.51.57 # Btw, the grayscale lib doesn't use a tick task, it uses the user timer 12.52.26 # It needs a timing that closely matches the lcd's internal frame rate 12.55.12 Quit Soap (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.55.58 # Sorry, by "tick task", I meant the user timer "tick". Let me look... 12.56.41 Quit desowin ("use linux") 12.58.03 # Btw, the grayscale lib might also run into caching problems when putting the isr on the cop, because the calculations are still done on the cpu 12.58.21 # But if it works, all plugins that use it would benefit, not only mpegplayer 12.58.28 # (doom...) 12.58.28 # It may just mean changing line 267 of timer.c to read COP_INT_EN instead of CPU_INT_EN 12.58.57 # (and same in timer_unregister) 12.59.34 # If you try it, you should move the greyscale init into the video thread function in mpegplayer.c - so the lib is initialsed from the COP as well. 13.00.23 # IIRC, doom only uses the timer task to maintain a high-res tick counter. 13.00.35 Join PaulJam [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3120.gwdg.de) 13.01.53 # Doom on the greyscale targets uses the grayscale lib 13.02.03 # Of course, sorry... 13.02.14 # And offloading the 50% load to the cop will improve (doom) framerate 13.02.15 # hmm i crashed my gigabeat... tryed to run clock plugin before i set time etc... do i turn it off at battery switch? 13.02.51 # kramdra: Yes. That's not a nice bug though... 13.03.23 # errr........... done that, its still on 13.03.45 Join Soap [0] (n=Soap@host-69-95-92-143.har.choiceone.net) 13.03.45 # What do you mean, turning the power off doesn't turn off your gigabeat? 13.04.05 # nope aleast the screen is on with backlight 13.04.27 # omg im stupid.... pulls out power cable :) 13.07.11 Join The [0] (n=hugh@ppp-71-139-201-166.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) 13.07.32 # does anyone know how to change the icons in rockbox? 13.09.41 # The: yes :p 13.09.49 Join Faemir [0] (n=daniel@85-211-222-38.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk) 13.09.50 # check the CustomIcons wiki page 13.10.08 # thx 13.10.53 # or check existing icon sets -- the icon file mainly is a strip of images. 13.12.14 Join Psilonaut [0] (i=DaPhunka@240.175-245-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) 13.12.52 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248) 13.13.27 Quit david1 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.14.32 Quit isaac_w (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.15.31 # linuxstb: what do you think our custom bootloader for the Gigabeat should do when you plug in the power cable? 13.15.43 # charge without showing anything? 13.16.20 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54b156d7.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.17.59 # markun: charge, and show its charging? 13.19.30 Join david1 [0] (n=david52@84.72.254.113) 13.19.37 Part david1 13.20.19 Nick The is now known as Amarok_Rules (n=hugh@ppp-71-139-201-166.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) 13.20.41 # Does anyone have ipod linux, rockbox, and regular ipod os on their ipod? 13.21.10 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@pD9EB233C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 13.21.19 # morning 13.21.50 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.25.41 # Amarok_Rules: yes ... I guess a lot have. 13.27.06 # do you know if the ipodlinux installers are the best to use? 13.28.02 Quit cax ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 13.29.05 # bluebrother: I would think not many rockbox users also use ipl 13.29.29 # ipl has better games : 13.29.42 # I didn't use their installer -- it didn't recognize my ipod, so I manually installed. I also wanted to use the Rockbox bootloader instead of loader2 13.30.01 # bluebrother: Did ipl actually work for you? 13.30.14 # JdGordon: yes. e.g. 1D tetris ^^ 13.30.34 # it runs. Playing music with podzilla was a pain, and I didn't had the motivation to install additional software 13.30.45 # * amiconn tried ipl on his mini g2 when he got it. It booted exactly once. After the first shutdown, nothing worked, so I had to restore it 13.30.50 # amiconn: I would guess the type of user that only uses Rockbox for games (possibly a large number on ipods) will also use IPL. 13.31.36 # Then I took the rockbox sources, the ipl sources for lookup, and made rockbox run on it :P 13.31.42 # as a lot of Ipod users kinda scream for games all the time I imagine quite a lot having ipl installed along with Rockbox. 13.32.46 Join david1 [0] (n=david52@84.72.254.113) 13.32.53 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p549647d1.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.33.19 Join empheh [0] (n=purr@88-106-218-0.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 13.34.18 Quit entheh (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.35.48 Quit spiorf (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 13.36.03 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host186-216-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 13.40.09 # markun: Shouldn't the bootloader just start Rockbox - to enable car adapter mode to work? 13.40.33 Quit z0de ("\o/ my neck") 13.46.33 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 13.46.38 Part kaaloo 13.53.07 # linuxstb: yes, probably 13.53.44 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 13.53.50 # I assume the gigabeat turns itself on when connecting power? 13.54.48 # yes, I think it boots as soon as you switch the battery on and then goes into sleep mode and waits for an interrupt 13.55.00 # either from the power button or the charger 13.55.28 Join DanielW [0] (n=danielw@dslb-084-061-058-019.pools.arcor-ip.net) 13.55.40 # hello 13.56.08 # hi 13.57.08 # i had connected my ipod the whole night to the computer and it is still not loaded. (it was on in rockbox and there was something like loading symbol). then i booted into original firmeware and i am trying to load there 13.57.54 # but it shows the "do not disconnect screen" (i think thats normal) and the battery symbol is changing color from green to grey and so on. but it always has a loading symbol on it 13.58.06 # is this color changing from green to grey and back, normal? 13.58.21 Part pixelma 13.58.29 Join Mnabil [0] (n=Mnabil@62.135.96.21) 13.59.12 # Danielw - what does "it is still not loaded" mean ? 13.59.19 # what are you trying to do 13.59.27 # sounds like your ipod is just charging, right? 13.59.30 # didn't find anything about that in the ipod manual. (and yes i know, this is not an ipod support chat but here are some ipod users, so someone should know it) 13.59.53 # yeah, I have an ipod, but I don't really understand what is the problem you have 14.00.02 # stripwax: yes but it doesn't get full loaded after about 9 hours of loading 14.00.14 # black and withe sounds like diskmaod 14.00.17 # loaded? you mean, charging (battery)? 14.00.23 # yes 14.00.24 # sorry 14.00.57 # in german it is "aufladen" bad translation to loading 14.01.04 # So, you have your ipod running rockbox, plugged in to your computer, and then you unplug it and what, rockbox says something like 90% charged? or what. what makes you think the battery isn't fully charged? 14.01.10 Join Brunellus [0] (n=luigi@unaffiliated/brunellus) 14.01.17 # DanielW: aufladen = charging 14.01.24 Part Brunellus ("Ex-Chat") 14.01.45 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 14.01.47 # stripwax: yes the rockbox firmeware said only 40% charged 14.02.23 # stripwax: then i booted into original firmware and there again only about 50% 14.03.02 # DanielW : hm, what happens if you leave it in the original firmware and reconnect it to your pc, does it get up to full charge then? (i.e. is it a problem with rockbox, or maybe is your ipod battery just faulty?) 14.03.07 # just one question: this flashing between green and gray in original firmware while charging is normal? 14.03.17 # also try running the ipod down to completely flat (won't turn on) and then charging fully 14.03.24 # DanielW : - yes 14.03.45 Quit BigMac_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.03.54 # ah, i thought something with my usb is wrong (the manual says i need a "high power usb connector" 14.04.00 # anyone know if the gigabeat remote works with rockbox? 14.05.27 # DanielW : - well that too. if your usb port isn't providing enough power to charge your ipod, then it won't charge .. so you've never used your ipod before putting rockbox on it? 14.05.34 # stripwax: one question last. the ipod manual has a charing screenshot where a big battery is in the middle of the screen. how do i get that? 14.06.19 # stripwax: not really. it is 3 days old, thats why i am asking that stupid questions. 14.06.53 # DanielW : - you boot into the apple os and connect the ipod to a dedicated battery charger, i think 14.07.29 # it might do it for usb charging too, if you have itunes set up to "not use disk mode" (so that plugging the usb in will leave it still running the apple os) 14.07.31 # does anyone know how to run ipodpatcher in ubuntu linux? 14.07.41 # ok, dedicated batter charger brings big charging screen. connecting to pc brings "do not disconnect screen" ? 14.08.00 Quit badsheepy (Remote closed the connection) 14.08.10 # yeah probably. i mean, the charging screen doesn't matter, right? it's just a picture .. 14.08.28 # while that is funny, there is no way to leave that do not disconnect screen without disconnecting ;-) 14.08.33 # kramdra: it does 14.08.45 # connecting to pc if you use the apple os on your ipod probably brings up the big charging screen too 14.08.46 # doesn't it work for you? 14.08.56 # Amarok_Rules: Have you read the installation chapter in the manual? That describes how to use ipodpatcher. 14.09.14 # stripwax: not here, always "do not disconnect" 14.09.17 # DanielW- yes, you right click the icon on windows to Unplug Hardware, and then the ipod tells you it is safe to disconnect 14.09.33 # stripwax: using linux and the ipod is not mounted 14.09.35 # DanielW - like I said, "if you have itunes set up to not use disk mode". Anyway, none of this matters 14.09.40 # Oh, you're using linux. 14.09.47 # Well, who knows then 14.09.56 Quit The-Compiler (Connection timed out) 14.10.06 # Probably better to ask in a linux or ipod forum then, not a rockbox forum ;-p 14.10.35 # i think this is a bug in the original apple firmware. even if the harddisk is not mounted it says not to disconnect 14.10.41 # stripwax: or a linux one 14.10.54 # DanielW: if you "eject /dev/xxx" then "do not disconnect" disappears 14.11.32 # Slasheri: so who does the inject ? 14.11.36 Join badsheepy [0] (i=dave@82-45-6-126.cable.ubr05.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) 14.12.09 # hmm, it's done automatically when you connect the device 14.12.26 # same than in windows too 14.12.33 # ok 14.12.49 # and eject does the same as the "unplug hardware" in windows 14.13.54 # that "do not eject" is for windows users who forget to safely remove their hardware 14.13.55 # good to know. but i thought unmounting a device would be ok. eject is normaly to remove the media (for example by a cd rom drive open it) 14.14.09 # as on windows this can cause data corruption. It's the same like unmounting on linux 14.14.29 # and the ipod will always go into disk mode when connected to a usb port 14.14.38 # DanielW: eject does both. Unmounts and then "removes the media" 14.14.52 # however, just unmounting is enough as well 14.14.57 # DanielW: if the Ipod is unmounted you can ignore that "do not connecte" 14.15.03 # *disconnect 14.15.09 # but ejecting spins down hard disk in disk mode and is better for charging 14.15.17 # ok, then one real rockbox question here 14.15.30 # ipod is off, hold is on 14.15.41 # the hold switch is switched to hold 14.15.50 # then i connect it to usb. rockbox boots 14.16.06 # but the problem 14.16.20 # it gives me a "cleared" messages and all settings and the database are lost 14.16.20 # * stripwax waits 14.16.30 # is this the way it should happen? 14.16.40 # Danielw - that's what booting rockbox with the hold switch on does. it's probably even mentioned in the manual 14.16.40 # hold is used to reset settings if the does not boot 14.16.58 # although turning on with hold set to hold should boot the apple firmware. doesn't yours do that? 14.17.04 # but afaik, database should not be removed 14.17.07 # hmm. Just tried that, it boots into AppleOS (as expected) 14.17.29 # DanielW : - are you using an old bootloader? 14.17.51 # stripwax: ok you are right it boots in original firmware. but i tryied to set hold and then fastly remove it to boot in diskmode in apple firmware 14.18.03 # but it went into rockbox lol 14.18.12 # no, it must happen in an other way 14.18.23 # that is the intended behaviour then 14.18.37 # but i deleted my settings 2 times that way now 14.18.40 # then you enabled hold soo late 14.18.40 # DanielW - if you want to boot into apple diskmode you can hold menu+select until it reboots, then hold play+select 14.18.55 # go to "browse cfg files" and open "config.cfg" 14.18.56 # or just leave hold turned to hold and plug in the usb cable 14.19.15 # or just leave hold turned off and plug in the usb cable, rockbox will reboot into disk mode anyway 14.19.22 # stripwax: just play+select without the hold switch? 14.19.33 Join raphi [0] (i=52887b80@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-95305701c0ec5502) 14.19.35 # there are two times to enable hold: 1. while the bootloader runs. In that case the bootloader will run AppleOS 14.19.57 # 2. while Rockbox starts up, after the bootloader. When enabling hold at that time the settings are reset to the defaults 14.20.17 # DanielW - if the hold switch is on, all of the keys are ignored, right? You have to turn hold off if you want to press the keys 14.20.29 # or - just plug it in - and leave the hold switch alone 14.20.37 # that doesn't work 14.20.38 # in fact, just always leave the hold switch alone :-) 14.20.43 # "what" doesn't work 14.20.55 # just connect it with usb to get into diskmode 14.21.04 # why not 14.21.14 # enable hold first. It will boot AppleOS, and that will go to disk mode 14.21.41 # yes original firmeware goes into diskmode when connecting with usb 14.21.53 # bluebrother : - I think DanielW is saying that when he plugs it in to his pc while running rockbox, it doesn't go into diskmode.. 14.21.55 # well, Rockbox is different :p 14.22.05 # stripwax: yes 14.22.16 # bluebrother : - are you sure? Has this changed recently? 14.22.16 # ah. That makes things different ... 14.22.41 # DanielW : - so, what happens, when you're running rockbox and plug it into your pc 14.22.44 # stripwax: not that I know of. If hold is enabled during boot the bootloader will go to AppleOS. 14.22.47 # anything? nothing? does it try and charge 14.23.00 # what is the way to directly boot into apple diskmode? i mean the original bootloader can do that, and rockbox does start the original firmware when i use the hold switch 14.23.03 # bluebrother - we're talking about after it's already booted, I thought 14.23.22 # * bluebrother confused 14.23.31 # DanielW- exactly how I already said. 1. reboot using select+menu - 2. hold select+play 14.23.45 # * stripwax too 14.24.06 # but why would you want to boot into apple diskmode? and what makes you think rockbox doesn't work properly 14.24.12 # stripwax: i think it is charging, but charging in a way to not fill that think (but that need to be tested, i am new to the ipod, don't know charging times) 14.24.30 # what has disk mode got to do with charging though? 14.24.34 # stripwax: ok step 1. is clear 14.24.41 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF5AE5.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.24.41 # do you want to boot your ipod into diskmode? or do you just want to charge your ipod? 14.24.51 # but 2. the hold think not 14.24.57 # the hold think not? 14.25.16 # should i hold the seclect+play buttons or should i use hold + select + play? 14.25.33 # when the ipod reboots (screen goes black, you get a little apple logo in the middle), take your finger off Menu and press and hold the Play button instead. 14.25.44 # Not the HOLD BUTTON, "hold" the play button down ...... 14.25.54 # ah 14.26.04 # why would that boot diskmode 14.26.17 # so select+menu , then as soon as screen goes black, select+play 14.26.24 # DanielW : - what? why? because it does! Ask Apple 14.26.38 # but the first bootloader is starts is the rockbox one right? 14.26.46 # I still don't see what diskmode has got to do with your charging problem though 14.26.50 # and the rockbox one should not know anything about select+play for diskmode or? 14.26.51 # DanielW- "wrong" 14.27.13 # #the first thing the ipod does is run the apple firmware, which then loads either the rockbox bootloader, or the ipod bootloader, or launches diskmode 14.27.59 # apple firmware is the one that knows about select+play 14.28.09 # ah 14.28.18 # try it. ses that it works. 14.28.22 # ok 14.28.55 # So anyway, tell me, what does diskmode have to do with charging your batteries? Did you try plugging your ipod into a powered usb hub or a 500ma usb port? 14.29.11 # yeah, a black and grey diskmode :-) 14.29.16 # never seen that 14.29.20 # before 14.30.02 # DanielW - does it help you? why did you want to boot into diskmode 14.30.19 # i think it s nothing to do with charging. i think that charging in rockbox doesn't work as good. or it stops when it is full (that is great) but then it does use the battery again until it is at 40% again 14.30.28 # diskmode just to fill it with musik 14.30.44 # DanielW : - just plug your ipod in to your pc! It will go into diskmode automatically!! 14.30.59 # not with rockbox 14.31.26 # DanielW- mine does. are you using an official rockbox build, or one of the unofficial, unsupported 'patched' builds? 14.31.49 # some of the patched builds require you to hold down the MENU key when pluggin in usb to get it to connect for diskmode 14.31.59 # oh, sorry, i think that could be the problem. :-/ 14.32.03 # G A H 14.32.03 # stripwax: seems he experiences the reboot hang :( 14.32.31 # but I have heard of that hang only on the mini yet. 14.32.47 # so, DanielW - if you're using an unsupported build, please make that very clear right at the start, otherwise we end up wasting time like this. 14.32.48 # no 14.32.55 # sorry 14.32.58 # bluebrother : - er, what? 14.33.16 # ah. Just read the thing about the unsupported build ... 14.33.19 # and unsupported means - ask the author of that build for support 14.33.37 # on the mini there is a problem: it sometimes crashes when rebooting to disc mode. 14.33.52 # I can reproduce that problem on my mini sometimes, but not always 14.36.20 Quit Amarok_Rules ("Leaving") 14.38.52 # any possibility to create the music-db on the computer and not on the player? 14.39.40 # raphi : - there used to be (in fact that used to be the only way to do it) but not sure you can do that any more. why would that be useful? 14.39.47 # just cos it might be faster? 14.39.58 # yes 14.40.04 # DanielW : - so did holding down MENU while pluggin in usb work,.. or not .. ?? 14.40.08 # and because of the accu power... 14.40.14 # yeah a general library for doing that would be nice 14.40.19 # "accu power"? 14.40.41 # battery runtime 14.40.59 # to fully create it, it take 20 min i guess, and takes 10-20 percent battery runtime.. 14.41.01 # ok. well, nothing I'm aware of. Hey, you could always run the SIM version of rockbox and copy the db files ;-) 14.41.01 # stripwax: akku = german for rechargeable battery 14.41.16 # stripwax: did not try it yet, because it is just so nice charging 14.41.33 # the sim runs under linux, right? 14.41.33 # okie doke. slipping in foreign languages into an english-speaking forum is going to confuse me.. 14.41.41 # raphi - yeah or windows 14.42.01 # a library for that, would it make possible to fully support rockbox in amarok. mhhh 14.42.13 # * stripwax has never used amarok 14.42.16 # like it does with libgpod 14.42.23 # for ipods 14.42.28 # ok, i'll try, and is there a know bug, when i update the db, that some entries are double or triple? 14.42.31 # bluebrother: akku is Finnish as well :) 14.42.34 # raphi: there is a script in the tools/ folder 14.42.38 # you can use it as general media player 14.42.55 # not sure if it's still up-to-date 14.43.12 # raphi: yes you can find something about that in the wiki 14.43.13 Join paul38 [0] (i=4a841a2a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2d62c7171896baa0) 14.43.34 # ok, thanks 14.44.02 # bluebrother - for some reason I thought it wasn't up-to-date 14.44.11 # since the player can now do all the work 14.44.29 # Hi, When will the rockbox crew release a version for other targets like iriver and Ipod? 14.44.30 # I think someone updated it recently. IIRC :) 14.44.56 # paul38: what do you mean? There are versions around. 14.45.06 # just nothing labelled "release" yet. 14.45.09 # cool 14.45.11 # I mean a stable release 14.45.17 # don't ask. 14.45.20 # it's pretty stable, no? 14.45.40 # yes... ok Thanks 14.45.56 # the next release most likely will only add coldfire platforms. I.e. no Ipods. 14.45.57 Quit paul38 (Client Quit) 14.46.01 # there won't be an "official" release until all known issues are resolved 14.46.10 # wow, he left quick. 14.46.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.49.02 # what are the top issues for ipods? 14.49.10 Part TrueJournals 14.49.18 # battery runtime? 14.49.33 # yes. 14.49.41 # that's a major one. 14.49.47 # other? 14.49.52 # Plus lack of CPU power - we're not using both CPU cores effectively. 14.49.58 # Coprocessor. 14.50.42 # lack of cpu power mhh, i seems to play everything fine here 14.50.51 # it 14.50.57 # in other words, it's mostly not features but performance. 14.51.08 # ok 14.51.09 # Try a high bitrate MP3 at the same time as using the software DSP effects (eq, crossfeed etc) 14.51.23 # linuxstb: beat me ;-) 14.51.38 # ah ok, do not use software dsp things 14.51.55 # i.e. we want all Rockbox features to work as well on the ipods as the other devices. 14.52.19 # and from the give hardware the ipod should be able to do that? 14.52.21 # you can use software dsp, but it depends on codec, bitrate etc how good it works 14.52.22 # given 14.52.33 # DanielW: If we used both cores effectively, yes. 14.52.49 # Or maybe even with a single core with more optimisation. 14.53.37 # and power: two cores both used "half" or one core used fully what would be less power consuming? 14.54.41 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A96552.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.54.53 Quit Rondom (Remote closed the connection) 14.58.44 Quit grndslm (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14.58.44 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 14.59.15 # there is the suspection that some part of the hardware isn't initialized correctly, thus drawing too much power. 14.59.33 # there was a simiar issue with the usbotg-chip in the h300 and x5 15.02.10 # hm, can we not infer how to power up required devices from the ipod firmware? 15.04.18 # * stripwax thought the ipodlinux guys must have already done that step 15.07.39 Join p3tur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 15.08.48 # mhh one normal rockbox user question: how do i add a few albums (from different artists) to the current playlist? 15.08.54 # (from the database) 15.09.21 # to add the first one is clear, but if i want to add the second the first one is removed 15.09.29 # hold select 15.09.33 # menu appears 15.09.37 # yes 15.09.42 # "insert next" 15.09.50 # but that only inserts one track 15.10.05 # Insert the folder, not a file 15.10.25 # actually, i'm sure this is also all in the manual :-p 15.10.37 # isi read the manual 15.10.39 # i 15.10.44 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 15.10.51 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 15.11.22 # so you read this bit http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-640004.4.3 15.11.37 # where it says you can invoke playlist actions on folders 15.11.55 Quit PaulJam (".") 15.11.59 # "The Playlist Submenu can be used to add either single tracks or entire directories to a playlist. If the Playlist Submenu is invoked on a single track, it will put only that track into the playlist. On the other hand, if the Playlist Submenu is invoked on a directory, Rockbox adds all of the tracks in that directory to the playlist. 15.11.59 # Note: You can control whether or not Rockbox includes the contents of sub-directories when adding an entire directory to a playlists. Set the Settings ? General Settings ? Playlist ? Recursively Insert Directories setting to Yes if you would like Rockbox to include tracks in sub-directories as well as tracks in the currently-selected directory. " 15.13.20 # I think the manual should be more clear that this works from the database browser too, however. 15.14.02 # ok 15.14.15 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484A9D0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.14.35 # there should be a shortcut to just a the selected song to playlist 15.14.39 Join Rincewind [0] (i=RaJPFa5r@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 15.14.46 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 15.14.52 # with the playlist menu i need a lot of steps to do that 15.15.09 # or is there already? 15.15.22 # DanielW - hm, if you turn on "Party Mode", then the default action is to enqueue. but Party Mode has other implications too.. 15.15.42 # I agree there should be an option to make the default action enqueue without having to switch on party mode 15.15.59 # enqueue? 15.16.06 # I think someone discussed this also on irc sometime last week 15.16.08 # does mean only add one track? 15.16.14 # enqueue --> put into playlist rather than play immediately 15.17.12 # i mean to add only the current selected song not the complete folder (or view in database mode) in a short way. over the playlist menu it takes some time just to add a single track 15.17.45 # DanielW : - it's currently not a lot of steps though, is it? hold select, go to playlist, go to inser 15.18.05 Join LiLLix__ [0] (i=Heine@Integ-StDenis-101-4-36.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) 15.18.30 # that are a lot of steps just to insert one track. what about using the play button for that? 15.18.36 # Yes, that's what I mean too : to make putting "whatever is currently selected" (be it a track or a folder) into the playlist 15.18.42 # the next adds all tracks, the play button only the one selected 15.18.47 # The Play button is used to Play or Pause the music 15.19.08 # Pressing Play goes to the 'while playing screen' 15.19.16 # mhh 15.19.27 # It's all been thought out and discussed and documented in the manual ;-) 15.19.39 Quit amiconn (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- s0 d4Mn l33t |t'z 5c4rY!") 15.19.42 # hahahaha 15.19.47 # "documented in the manual" 15.19.49 # DanielW : - also don't forget, Rockbox runs the same way on all the devices. Some devices have fewer buttons than others. 15.19.58 Part LiLLix__ 15.20.00 # i suppose you've also documented how you expect people to read it 15.20.05 # ok but i think there are a lot of users who want to add this track, and that track, and an other track, and that would take them very long the way rockbox does it 15.20.16 # DanielW : - so use Party Mode? 15.20.42 # where is it documented? 15.20.54 # the descriptions are terrible. you need to have documention on the device itself. 15.21.12 # DanielW - or, perhaps, come up with a proposal to make the behaviour of the Select button configurable (Play immediately or Add to playlist) 15.21.41 # no that is not my problem 15.22.03 # pengo/DanielW - seriously, is this description terrible? http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-350004.1.1 15.22.04 # my problem is the behaviour in adding the complete view of tracks and not the single selected one 15.22.23 # stripwax: the fact it's not on my rockbox itself, yes. 15.22.26 # DanielW : - but you just said "that ared a lot of steps just to insert one track" 15.22.32 # yes 15.22.33 # pengo - ahhhh... gotcha 15.22.39 # to insert "one track" 15.22.47 # that is the think 15.22.48 # DanielW - so do you want to insert "one track" or "one entire folder" or what? 15.23.12 # or do you want a playlist containing "everything on your mp3 player" 15.23.40 # my first question here was how to add different albums to playlists, it got answered 15.23.41 # but now 15.23.54 # i am asking for a fast way to add a few single songs to the playlist 15.24.04 # at the moment that is really a hard job 15.24.06 # DanielW - "Party Mode" ? 15.24.12 # did you try it? 15.24.29 # no, i am asking for the documention for that 15.24.33 # In the manual 15.24.36 # I've always ignored party mode because i assumed it meant random/shuffle or something. if it's not obvious it needs to be documented on the device when you're selecting it. 15.24.57 # DanielW - You want me to search for a page to link to the Party Mode documentation in the manual? 15.25.02 # 15.25.02 # Enables unstoppable music playback. When new songs are selected, they are queued at the end of the current dynamic playlist instead of being played immediately. Pausing and stopping playback is disabled as well as skipping songs and launching plugins. 15.25.06 # no 15.25.16 # if that is correct it has nothing to do with my problem 15.25.26 # Right. So what's the alternatvie? I think, the alternative is, to enable rockbox users to configure the behaviour of the Select button. 15.25.31 # Which is what I said earlier 15.25.45 # to which you said "no that is not my problem" 15.25.50 # my problem is i go to database -> artist -> an album -> select a song and now how to just add that track not the whole album 15.26.09 # DanielW: sounds like you'd need a context menu 15.26.12 # yes, currently you have to hold select, go to playlist -> insert 15.26.32 # that doesn't sound hard 15.26.39 # that's what i said 15.26.43 # i have to hold select, then i have to select playlist, and then there is the option insert. and then i have to press next 15.26.45 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 15.26.47 # DanielW: It's obvious that you want Rockbox to behave differently to how it does - so either change Rockbox so it works like you want it to, or submit a feature request and hope someone else wants that feature too. 15.26.49 # that are 4 or 5 more steps 15.27.06 # DanielW : - my proposal is to reduce it to 1 step, and you didn't like that either 15.27.13 # how can you do it with fewer than 1 steps, I'm not sure ... 15.27.17 # for a complete normale operation on a mp3 player (add a track to playlist) 15.27.35 # sorry, i am just asking if i miss something 15.27.43 # a smarter way to do that i do not know 15.28.06 # DanielW - is making Select configurable not smart enough? How would *you* think rockbox should work 15.28.09 # hmm, i think too a configurable select behaviour would be good. I never add whole folder to a playlist by selecting a single song but selecting the entire folder if i want it to be added 15.28.58 # DanielW - btw, yes, adding a track to a playlist is a normal operation, but one Apple didn't even think about including on their ipod. Playing a track is a far more normal operation than building a dynamic playlist, so Select plays a track 15.29.04 # yes, select folder to add folder (or in database select "view") or select track to add track, would be nice 15.29.21 # ok, so it would work, as a solution to your problem. just so we're on the same page. 15.29.45 # select does not play a track 15.30.02 # what does it do then 15.30.24 # select makes the current folder to the new current playlist and starts playback add the selected track 15.30.28 # at 15.30.41 # stripwax: making "select" behaviour configurable is horrible. less modes is better. instead make the first option in the context menu "tag" and allow multiple items to be "tagged" and then allow the user to add all of them at once to the end or next (etc) in the playlist. 15.31.13 # pengo - so that won't help DanielW much. 15.32.05 # what about holding "play" to just add a the selected song? 15.32.10 # DanielW - well, yes. if you select a track to play it, it plays. what would you prefer to happen when the track finished (silence?) 15.32.28 # DanielW - because that is STOP currently. And if you hold it even longer, OFF. 15.32.39 # ok then holding next 15.32.54 # Select and Next on ipod do the same thing on an individual track 15.33.08 # Maybe that would work on ipod, but might not work on devices that have fewer buttons 15.33.20 # mhh 15.33.41 # DanielW - but did you understand my point about Select playing a track? It does play a track currently. It also creates a new dynamic playlist. 15.34.35 # pengo - but i do like the idea 15.34.44 # don't get me wrong i like rockbox and thank the devs for the work. but i think in terms of usability it has some serious problems. even it it would work total stable and bugless i would not recommend it to someone who is not used to weird working thinks *g* 15.35.02 # for example my brother 15.35.32 # DanielW : ok so let's make a list, and constructively figure out how to solve each of the serious problems you think rockbox has in terms of usability 15.35.34 # stripwax: yes, but i don't want it to create a new playlist, instead it should just add that one track to the playlist 15.36.12 # DanielW - yes - you said - and the way to add one track to the playlist is to go through the playlist menu. And I suggested we could change rockbox to make the Select button do this by default, instead. Does that make sense? 15.36.38 # (^by default - configurable as "the action to perform") 15.36.48 # (so not everyone's default, just yours) 15.36.52 # yes that would be nice 15.36.55 # right 15.36.58 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007040314]") 15.36.59 # phew 15.37.03 # *g* 15.37.06 Part TrueJournals 15.37.25 # DanielW - so, in the meantime, since this feature doesn't exist yet, what are you going to do 15.37.29 # they should add more buttons to the ipod 15.37.35 # * stripwax laughs 15.37.40 # i still haven't worekd out what DanielW's asking for exactly, but perhaps i think you need a configurable party mode e.g. [x] allow pause, [x] only allow stop only at end of track, etc. [x] always insert tracks next.. when playlist ends: (x) choose random ( ) repeat playlist ( ) stop 15.37.41 # yes, they should. 15.37.53 # pengo - ooh, nice. fiddly, though. 15.38.08 # pengo - really that's no longer Party Mode though, it's just "restrictions" 15.38.10 # stripwax: less fiddly than changing your default select mode 15.38.12 # stripwax: i am going to use the context menu 15.38.20 # DanielW- ok. 15.38.40 # stripwax: party mode / DJ mode.. different people party differently 15.38.43 # pengo - mm, you think? 15.38.51 # pengo - chuckle 15.39.00 # an option for what select should do (add and direct play or just add and if it should just the selected or all) 15.40.13 # stripwax: mhh if i select a folder and then press next what happens? get all folders in the current folder (where that folder is in) added to the playlist? 15.40.23 # pengo - I still think putting the "always insert" behaviour under Party Mode would just mean some users choose to always run in Party Mode with that switch turned on. not really a party. 15.40.48 # stripwax: i'd like any rockbox i pick up to work the same.. UNLESS it's in party mode.. if i'm DJ'ing at a club i dont want to it to stop ever.. if i'm at a small gathering i want to stop it for the phone.. etc 15.40.58 # DanielW - no, it will just 'step into' that directory... 15.41.07 # See my point earlier about Recursively Insert 15.41.28 # ok and select? 15.41.31 # stripwax: the point is you can still turn off party mode and use it "normally" 15.41.33 # pengo - ok, cool. 15.42.22 # is there a way to mark podcasts so they're not randomly shuffled to (during your party or otherwise)? 15.42.37 # DanielW - yes, select will 'step into' that directory too. I mean, try it, and see for yourself, what everything does. 15.44.38 # ok i tried 15.44.39 # pengo - just that some people have a different interpretation of 'normal',. But I agree, making rockbox "work the same way" makes a whole lot of sense. Perhaps Party Mode could just be called Custom Mode (although that's rather stuffy) and to get a 'normal' rockbox you just turn off Custom Mode (i.e. turn off Party Mode as you say) 15.44.54 # naming doesn't really matter, I'll shut up on that now. 15.45.08 # stripwax: same diff, but party mode sounds better :) 15.45.21 # but yeah, I like the idea of putting all the 'well my default should be x not y' into a single mode which you can then just turn off 15.45.26 # :) 15.45.32 # nods 15.45.42 # i could rant to you about interface decisions for hours :) 15.45.47 # best not :) 15.45.58 # i like nokia. 15.46.17 # s60? 15.46.42 # ok cu 15.46.44 Quit DanielW ("Leaving") 15.46.49 # seriously? even if you turn on "first name first" option in Contacts application, it still shows last name first in Messaging application.. 15.47.05 # anyway, OT 15.47.07 # i like those old crap b+w nokias. they're usable. 15.47.12 # i dunno about s60's 15.47.13 # agree there 15.47.28 # i have a 6230i if that means anything 15.47.32 # s60's = trying to hard and making dumb mistakes on the way 15.47.37 # tho the mp3 player is pretty crap :) 15.47.53 # had a 6230, pretty nice, got a n70, pretty flashy yet slow and awkward to actually get anything done on it 15.48.03 # heh 15.48.32 # * stripwax nearly got employed to work on s60 apps .. that was a close call .. 15.48.48 # i got a DSLR, and it takes all my spare gadget cash now 15.49.08 Join gioele [0] (n=gioele@host-84-222-107-169.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) 15.49.51 Quit raphi ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 15.53.35 Quit Thundercloud_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.54.20 # stupid question.. i can guess theres not... but is there a pdf reader for rockbox? 15.54.54 # nope 15.55.28 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.73.79) 15.56.19 # someone could try and port xPDF if they had spare time and nothing to do 15.56.22 # hmm... i guess i could just copy and paste the text but picures would have been usefull.. is there any plugins that can do html or other formats? 15.57.21 # nope 15.57.26 # bitmap? jpeg? :-p 15.57.55 # could try.. can rockbox scroll large bitmaps? 15.57.58 # an html renderer would be marginally useful (e.g. for pengo's idea of on-device documentation) 15.58.11 # kramdra - not sure .. it can scroll large jpegs though I'm pretty sure 15.58.34 Quit lostnihilist (Remote closed the connection) 15.58.57 # stripwax: i was thinking small bits of plain text :) 15.59.26 # within the interface.. not a separate "RTFM" application 15.59.29 Join joshin [0] (n=joshin@VDSL-130-13-9-125.PHNX.QWEST.NET) 15.59.40 # but yes, it scrolls large jpg's.. so you could convert a pdf to jpgs in theory 15.59.46 # same thing :) you just reminded me i want to try putting a map of local area on it, in jpeg/bitmap 16.01.02 # pengo - oh! :-) that popup while you're using the interface, like on the old nokias .. 16.01.20 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=lostnihi@ppp-68-251-38-52.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) 16.01.26 # stripwax: my 6230 does it too :) 16.01.29 # kramdra: you can convert single PDF pages to PNGs with imagemagick 16.01.54 # pngs are no use 16.02.10 # well, jpegs then 16.02.20 # can't rockbox show them? 16.02.28 # pengo: if you want the manual on the player just build it yourself and use the make target manual-txt 16.02.42 # that will convert the html manual to txt using links 16.02.44 # gioele - rockbox doesn't have a png viewer. 16.03.13 # bluebrother - I think he wants it integrated into the ui (somehow), rather than just a separate thing to refer to 16.03.37 # blargh. Integrated manual is only a waste of space 16.03.39 # e.g. like on a context menu, it would show you something relevant to where you are 16.03.51 # I keep forgetting to unmount my gigabeat... is ther eanyway to turn write buffers off for all usb devices? 16.03.53 # bluebrother: two lines of text is about 20 bytes. 16.03.58 # 'space'? 16.04.11 # pengo: yes, but do that like 1000 times ... 16.04.24 # how is that using more space than storing the .txt manual on the device? 16.04.28 # * stripwax confused.. again .. 16.04.29 # plus, on small displays there is no room for that. Using a larger font and an ipod mini ... 16.04.59 # stripwax: you won't want to load the text snippets from disk every time, won't you? 16.05.08 # plus, you need code that handles this 16.05.14 # bluebrother: there's room on my nokia phone to do it. 16.05.35 # well, you can't choose out of like 20 fonts on you phone 16.05.46 # well, yep, the feature doesn't exist yet, so it would need to be coded. why can't the system font be used? 16.05.54 # even my camera has built-in context help 16.05.55 # plus, nokia doesn't support older devices with small screens. 16.06.22 # not sure how that's relevant, old devices with small screens still had help built in 16.06.29 # using sysfont will upset ipod video users -- they complain quite often about the small font ... 16.06.33 # whether they're supported now or not 16.06.50 # but they don't use just a part of the screen for the help 16.07.07 # bluebrother: i never said to use just part of the screen 16.07.11 # no, that's right, they show you the help on an otherwise empty screen 16.07.21 # would that be impossible for rockbox to do ..? 16.07.53 # i didn't specify the "how" part quite deliberately, because it's non-obvious and there a few ways to go about it 16.08.01 # I don't think it's impossible but too much work without any real benefit. 16.08.19 # * stripwax wonders how many times people on #rockbox have answered questions about how the ui works ,.. 16.08.27 # bluebrother: no real benefit to the developers who know the interface backwards 16.08.30 # you learn the steps you're using in most cases anyway. 16.08.40 # * bluebrother doesn't know the interface backwards 16.08.49 # well then there's benefit to the developers 16.08.52 # but simply thinking logically really helps 16.09.05 # what does thinking logically tell you that "party mode" does? 16.09.16 # DanielW was thinking logically earlier .. 16.09.28 # it's something that is used for parties. 16.09.45 # maybe it flashes the screen like party poppers? 16.10.05 # i assumed it meant random/shuffle 16.10.14 # hehe -- doesn't sound logical to me. As Rockbox is about *playing* music ... 16.10.24 Part NineLives 16.10.48 # maybe it plays a 'guess the intro' game. that's quite popular at parties 16.11.06 # ok, we could argue about party mode. But what is about the rest of the ui? Is using a context menu to enqueue a track so unintuitive? 16.11.18 # bluebrother - apparently .... yes 16.11.32 # about playing music? rockbox has a starfield simulator and sudoku. 16.11.39 # * stripwax chuckles 16.11.49 # so let's think logically about that 16.12.14 # the starfield simulator is neat, but it could do with a bit more rotation/changing direction instead of just forward all the time 16.12.21 Join pseudo_ [0] (n=pseudo@ppp254-27.lns2.bne4.internode.on.net) 16.12.36 # * stripwax has some old qbasic code somewhere, primed for porting to rockbox 16.12.40 # it could do with a star-wars text scroll too.. or is that another plugin? 16.12.48 # oh wow. credits! 16.12.51 # :-_) 16.12.54 # heh 16.13.42 # but i'd like to see a "play 30% faster" option before i see in-ui help 16.14.09 # pitch menu? 16.14.23 # tempo menu. faster without pitch change. 16.14.33 # i still can't find pitch 16.14.33 # painful to do in realtime 16.14.42 # it's not 16.14.49 # painful to do well in realtime.. 16.14.57 # doesn't have to be well 16.15.08 # ok, pretty easy then. just skip blocks from the pcm buffer 16.15.41 # it's just an fft transform and a tweak.. easy.. 16.15.49 # fft bleh 16.15.57 Quit justthisguy ("No good will come of this.") 16.16.00 # but the skipping blocks would do me as a start 16.16.04 # linear crossfade and skipping chunks 16.16.28 # but i think skipping chunks would end up raising the pitch or exactly doubling the speed 16.16.31 # pengo: I tried to implement it in a naive way a few days ago but the result sounded pretty bad :) 16.16.39 # markun: cool :) 16.16.58 # stripwax: linear crossfade.. hmm 16.16.59 # pengo - nah. fill up 100% of the pcm buffer, but playback skips say 100 bytes out of every 1000 bytes ->10% speedup 16.17.31 # markun - hm, how bad? I wrote the (original) pitchshifter plugin for Buzz that way, didn't seem too bad.. 16.17.35 # pengo: just watched when the audio signal passed 0 (from - to +) and then skipped samples until the next one 16.17.38 # stripwax: 100 bytes out of a 1000 byte wave = 10% pitch increase 16.17.48 # markun: heh 16.17.53 # pengo - not quite 16.17.57 Quit spiorf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.18.05 # funny sounding 10% pitch increase 16.18.06 # hmm 16.18.18 # pengo e.g. 1K out of 10K samples would sound like a speed increase not a pitch increase 16.18.18 # just do a FFT already. There's C code everywhere. 16.18.19 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-12hdtj8.cable.mindspring.com) 16.18.33 # stripwax: yeah it could work 16.18.35 # pengo - seriously, fft is not going to be a fun way to do it 16.18.49 # well don't do a FFT because mp3 has already done it for you 16.19.02 # pengo: feel free to implement it. A bad implementation is better than no implementaion at all imo 16.19.15 # ok so you need to transform from frequency domain to time domain in a nonstandard way which is also not fun 16.19.27 # i haven't used C in years. i'd leak all over the place. 16.19.44 # markun - do you have a patch for your naive way 16.19.46 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.19.50 # pengo: sounds like a good time to start using C again :) 16.19.55 # (patch / some code changes / anything) 16.19.59 # there are other formats supported by rockbox that don't already have an fft ... 16.20.01 # markun: heh :) 16.20.18 # bluebrother - right. and even then, fft would suck juice 16.20.24 # bluebrother: yeah i know. they would need more cpu. 16.20.27 # stripwax: no, because I didn't implement it in rockbox but just in my own audio player for easy testing 16.20.34 # the F in FFT stands for fast 16.20.39 # markun - ah ok 16.20.56 # well, this doesn't tell anything about how fast it is ... 16.21.08 # plus, we don't have a fpu 16.21.10 # pengo - chuckle. yeah, but then you have to do it twice (FFT + IFFT) for every block 16.21.36 # you wont know til you try :) 16.21.47 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul) 16.22.04 # or until YOU try 16.22.18 # pengo - most of the time spent decoding mp3 is in evaluating the DCT (discrete cosine transform - cousin of the fft). doing two more for every block will mean you end up running out of cpu and playback no longer realtime 16.22.31 # hmm 16.22.33 # in fact you'd have to run the speed shift just to get tracks to sound realtime again :-) 16.23.01 # really think fft is not the way to go. 16.23.25 # well this crappy 2gb ipod-like knockoff i have does tempo control somehow 16.23.37 # I'd have a quick stab at a naive block shift + crossfade over block boundaries .. but I'm away for the next week 16.23.51 # pengo - and it changes speed without changing pitch? maybe it's in hardware? 16.23.55 Quit printfXh4 (Connection timed out) 16.23.59 Nick pseudo_ is now known as printfXh4 (n=pseudo@ppp254-27.lns2.bne4.internode.on.net) 16.24.54 # stripwax: it's not a major feature (i didn't know about it til i found it).. but possibly in hardware.. i doubt it tho.. i haven't tested if it works on non-mp3s 16.26.01 # stripwax: do you have a link to the code of the plugin you were talking about? 16.26.22 # markun - hm, somewhere.. lemme look 16.27.14 # http://www.cyanwerks.com/buzzdev/machinesource.php?type=eff Chimp Pitchshifter on there somewhere. doesn't do any crossfading, just the basic block skip stuff 16.27.29 # markun - you mean the plugin for Buzz or a plugin for rockbox? sorry, maybe misunderstoof 16.27.36 # Buzz 16.27.49 # pengo: some info: http://www.dspdimension.com/index.html?timepitch.html 16.28.14 # markun - if you use Buzz, check out Chimp RePlay :-) 16.28.26 # I don't know what Buzz is even 16.28.32 # oh :( 16.28.37 # check out Buzz! :-) 16.28.47 # markun: will check it out... 16.29.03 # stripwax: did you see the PM? 16.29.20 # or rather check out Aldrin, which is what all the cool kids are using 16.29.21 # http://trac.zeitherrschaft.org/aldrin/ 16.29.25 # markun - oh, yep. sorry 16.33.37 Join jtg [0] (n=mark@82-37-152-185.cable.ubr01.wals.blueyonder.co.uk) 16.34.03 Nick jtg is now known as justthisguy (n=mark@82-37-152-185.cable.ubr01.wals.blueyonder.co.uk) 16.35.16 # decode a small buffer of audio, add the samples together... then pass to buffer? or would that not work atall? 16.35.30 # some dayperhaps I shall journey to the strange city to whichthe sun goes at night. 16.35.43 Quit pengo () 16.36.04 Join raphi [0] (i=52887b80@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-dfeec55385d03619) 16.37.50 # got problems while compiling.. "m68k-elf-gcc: Command not found". How is the package called under debian i need to install? 16.38.29 Quit XavierGr () 16.39.22 Part justthisguy ("EVILCAT IS PLEASED") 16.39.32 # raphi: there is no package - use the tools/rockboxdev.sh script to download and compile it 16.39.45 # obo: Thanks 16.43.06 # kramdra - not sure what "add the samples together" is going to do 16.43.39 # you mean like a running average? 16.44.36 Nick empheh is now known as entheh (n=purr@88-106-218-0.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 16.46.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.47.33 Part david1 16.51.22 Quit zutme (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.53.09 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 16.55.25 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 16.55.31 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 16.56.43 Join Alex_ [0] (n=chatzill@cpe-70-122-25-223.austin.res.rr.com) 16.56.51 Nick Alex_ is now known as Toxicity (n=chatzill@cpe-70-122-25-223.austin.res.rr.com) 16.56.59 # shit 16.59.09 # a whole bag of it? 17.02.02 Join PaulJam [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3153.gwdg.de) 17.02.42 Quit Toxicity ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]") 17.06.38 # hah 17.09.13 Quit hannesd_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.11.22 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 17.11.45 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 17.13.45 Join justthisguy [0] (n=mark@82-37-152-185.cable.ubr01.wals.blueyonder.co.uk) 17.15.46 Quit justthisguy (Client Quit) 17.15.48 Join justthisguy [0] (n=mark@82-37-152-185.cable.ubr01.wals.blueyonder.co.uk) 17.16.56 Join JamesT [0] (i=44c5174a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-300589346bc4ba83) 17.17.37 # Hey all - quick question - what happened to the Ajunt Blue theme.. I just updated for the first time in a month and now I have a more generic playscreen then the nice A.B. one 17.17.57 # is it gone? 17.18.10 # Just updating again - I'll see if it was just a bad upgrade for me... 17.18.20 # on my ipod video it seemed it was.. 17.19.07 # oh, gone on your player. With the new wps code, if the wps contains an error it will show the default wps 17.19.18 # Ah 17.19.56 # And the other problem I'm having is I'm getting loadtime errors (this just started happening with the newest build...) 'Undefined instructions at 043a2148) ...oy 17.20.35 # define 'loadtime' 17.20.53 # Disc is still spinning from boot-up 17.21.14 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp257-220.adsl.forthnet.gr) 17.21.48 # ok, reattempt - It's not doing it solely on bootup... 17.21.54 # I'm not very familiar with ipods... maybe your bootloader is too old? 17.23.11 # Doesn't the newest loader come with the newest build? 17.23.54 # no 17.24.04 # you need to install (and update) the bootloader separately 17.24.28 # and if your error is a "data abort" you most likely have an outdated bootloader -- when did you install? 17.24.47 # 6 - 8 months ago now? 17.25.09 # ok, that is too old. Reinstall the bootloader like the manual describes. 17.25.14 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 17.25.15 # okie dokie 17.25.16 # ;) 17.25.21 # Thanks for the help 17.25.35 # ipodpatcher will recognize the old bootloader and update it -- no need to uninstall first. 17.26.07 Quit Mnabil ("Leaving") 17.28.19 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]") 17.30.30 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.99.11) 17.31.09 # Hm - just installed the bootloader, still getting that 'undefined instruction' error as I'm just moving through menus 17.31.58 Join Brunellus [0] (n=luigi@unaffiliated/brunellus) 17.33.33 # hm.. i think it might be a problem with the mp3 file I was playing.. just loaded something else and it's fine... going to see if I can recreate 17.33.35 Quit stripwax (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.33.48 Part Brunellus ("Ex-Chat") 17.36.57 # Still getting 'undefined instructions' at seemingly random times... having a problem recreating it 17.38.26 # hmm - going to defrag the ipod and see if there are any bad sectors and basic cleaning stuff 17.38.41 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host186-216-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 17.41.03 Quit justthisguy ("evilcat is pleased") 17.42.15 Join justthisguy [0] (n=mark@82-37-152-185.cable.ubr01.wals.blueyonder.co.uk) 17.43.14 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@avc146.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 17.44.07 # Just updated with a week old build - mid-playing music I am now getting 'Data Abort' which is replacing earlier when it was 'Undefined Instructions' - but they seem to be the same error... anyone, pretty please? :) 17.44.49 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@14.11.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 17.45.49 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.45.57 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@84.191.75.160) 17.45.58 Quit justthisguy (Client Quit) 17.46.08 Join justthisguy [0] (n=mark@82-37-152-185.cable.ubr01.wals.blueyonder.co.uk) 17.48.51 # rockbox supports Replay Gain via the RGAD ID3v2 field. Which application sets it? 17.49.02 Quit justthisguy (Client Quit) 17.49.12 Join justthisguy [0] (n=mark@82-37-152-185.cable.ubr01.wals.blueyonder.co.uk) 17.50.06 Quit JamesT ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.53.42 Join BigMac_ [0] (n=mike@c-71-234-95-131.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) 17.56.55 Join ducbian [0] (n=Nick@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust33.cmbg.cable.ntl.com) 17.57.07 Quit ducbian (Client Quit) 17.59.50 Join DC1 [0] (n=dc1@pool-70-107-141-198.ny325.east.verizon.net) 17.59.54 Quit Davide-NYC (Remote closed the connection) 17.59.59 # 'lo 18.01.38 # gioele: foobar can do 18.01.45 Nick BigMac_ is now known as BigMac (n=mike@c-71-234-95-131.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) 18.02.26 Join j257 [0] (n=chatzill@s.tiera.ru) 18.03.14 # where did strncasecmp in codec_api go? 18.05.17 Quit krazykit (Remote closed the connection) 18.06.31 # bluebrother: (I use linux) it seems to me that foobar has support for TXXX fields only and not RGAD fields 18.07.11 # Hi people. I have just installed rockbox onto my Ipod Video 80Gb as described in installation docs. After rebooting, device doesn't boot - i see an white aplle on black screen. It doesn't enter USB mode. What should i do? 18.07.46 # Some days ago i have installed rockbox on another iPod Video 30Gb - it works perfect 18.08.29 # j257: have you tried resetting it? 18.08.36 # yes 18.08.41 Join sergey [0] (n=sergey@ppp91-76-105-63.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) 18.08.42 # as in- you can get it unstuck from said mode? hm 18.08.58 # i'm not an expert though, sorry 18.08.59 # i have reset it many times, with hold on and off 18.10.04 # gioele: well, I used foobar to replaygain my mp3 files, so either it uses RGAD or Rockbox supports the TXXX field used by foobar. 18.10.11 # don't know exactly ... 18.10.44 # j257: you should be able resetting and going into emergency disk mode 18.10.54 # bluebrother: well, that's enough :) 18.11.25 # gioele: but I'm also looking for some tool to replaygain my mp3 files from linux. Haven't found one yet :( 18.12.08 # bluebrother: there is a TXXX tool available on the rockbox mailing list 18.12.19 # bluebrother: oh, thanks a lot =) 18.13.11 # "Replaygain: New beta version of unix tagger" http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2006-05/0207.shtml 18.14.52 # bluebrother: that is for mp3s. vorbisgain and metaflac --add-replay-gain are way better 18.15.06 # hmm. Looks like I missed that email 18.15.53 Quit j257 ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]") 18.16.25 # bluebrother: Why not mp3gain? 18.17.02 # intgr: mp3gain produces weird APE tags that are not compatible with rockbox 18.17.13 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@85.69.166.179) 18.18.04 # gioele: Oh... 18.18.05 # bluebrother: that script has some problems POSIX sh. Replace first line with #!/bin/bash 18.19.02 Join Buschel [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54a3d2f1.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.21.13 Quit raphi ("CGI:IRC") 18.22.09 Quit gioele (Client Quit) 18.34.27 Quit secleinteer (Remote closed the connection) 18.35.13 Join secleinteer [0] (n=scl@adsl-70-237-205-147.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) 18.37.01 Quit hannesd (Client Quit) 18.37.58 Quit Buschel () 18.38.31 Quit Guile`` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.41.36 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-202-175.student.uu.se) 18.43.52 Quit Psilonaut (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.44.08 Join Psilonaut [0] (i=DaPhunka@131.165-245-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) 18.46.03 Quit bluebrother (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18.46.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.52.08 Quit p3tur ("bbl") 18.52.30 Quit petur ("me also bbl ;)") 18.55.15 Quit sergey (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.55.26 Join sergey [0] (n=sergey@ppp85-141-126-116.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) 18.56.11 Quit The-Compiler (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.57.15 Quit mirak ("Ex-Chat") 19.01.37 Nick jack__ is now known as chrisjs169 (n=jack@pool-71-114-145-182.hrbgpa.dsl-w.verizon.net) 19.03.58 # scorche: 4.4 kg package is on its way 19.06.02 Quit thegeek () 19.08.39 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.21.34 Quit lids (Remote closed the connection) 19.23.04 Join zylche [0] (n=zylche@82-41-83-91.cable.ubr01.dund.blueyonder.co.uk) 19.23.20 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.99.11) 19.23.21 # DC1: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=13343 19.27.15 Join lids [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-a7acd240ae376a11) 19.28.06 Quit secleinteer (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.28.51 Quit netmasta10bt ("BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it.") 19.32.30 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 19.32.43 Quit BigMac (Connection timed out) 19.36.41 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.37.26 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 19.38.30 Join Toxicity [0] (n=chatzill@cpe-70-122-25-223.austin.res.rr.com) 19.39.23 # so, where can i go to get some good rockbox add-ons? or are all the available add-ons already in rockbox 19.39.44 # Toxicity: that depends on what you mean by add-ons 19.39.58 # like, games, utilities, ect. 19.40.32 # Toxicity: There are a couple of half-finished plugins available in the tracker if you can compile yourself... 19.40.47 # hmmm i'll check it out 19.40.52 Quit chrisjs169 (Remote closed the connection) 19.40.59 Join grndslm [0] (n=grndslm@24-116-87-97.cpe.cableone.net) 19.41.19 Join chrisjs169 [0] (n=jack@pool-71-114-145-182.hrbgpa.dsl-w.verizon.net) 19.43.47 # * DC1 plays with .mod player codec 19.44.53 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@81.168.42.255) 19.44.57 # Toxicity: the best way to get good add-ons is of course to write them yourself :) 19.45.30 # what can you really add-on to a music player thats not a gimmick though :) 19.45.58 # nls: thanks for the hint 19.46.39 # DC1: no problem, does the mod player require that? 19.47.12 # * n1s goes to the pub :-) 19.47.25 # nls: yes and no 19.47.35 # [_]} 19.52.32 Quit Toxicity ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]") 19.53.19 Join haemmy [0] (n=stefan@194.208.162.140) 19.53.55 Quit haemmy (Client Quit) 19.55.47 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A96552.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.00.16 Quit grndslm (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.05.43 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@127.1.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 20.06.51 # Since wich year does Rockbox exist? 20.07.19 # Und wie steht das Spiel? 20.07.32 # Oops, sry 20.07.41 # dunno.. good? 20.07.46 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@p549AFB74.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.08.01 # (regarding "das spiel" :P) 20.08.29 # The-Compiler: look at the bottom of this page: http://www.rockbox.org/history.html 20.10.44 # Genre9mp3: 2001-12-07? 20.11.10 # yes 20.13.02 Quit lids (Remote closed the connection) 20.13.05 # i guess a bit earlier... 20.13.33 # (takes time to write descramle.c too) 20.16.15 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@85.69.166.179) 20.21.11 Nick pabs_ is now known as pabs (n=pabs@xor.pablotron.org) 20.22.12 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 20.22.18 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 20.23.45 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s189a.studby.ntnu.no) 20.23.46 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 20.24.13 Quit rift (Remote closed the connection) 20.24.54 Join rift [0] (n=heroes@131.56.70-86.rev.gaoland.net) 20.27.21 Join lids [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-b0679e8a1c477e85) 20.31.14 # Is there any random guinea pig to check out this patch. I seem to have GPIO IRQs working on the e200 now for real but why now when it seems this didn't work before, I have no idea. If it works it's a commit. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/MichaelSevakis?rev=1;filename=GPIO_IRQ.diff.txt 20.32.10 # If the buttons work, it's working right btw. 20.40.09 Quit The-Compiler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.41.50 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@127.1.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 20.46.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.47.44 # anyone tried to play .mid files lately? 20.48.28 # yes. 20.48.31 # not fun 20.48.46 # you can play a simple 2 track midi file 20.48.55 # but it plays too fast. 20.49.37 # if you have a more complex midi file it will complain a lot (missing buffer) and then rockbox crashes. 20.49.47 # I've got two that crash on an month old build 20.50.06 # but the lightshow is cool when you dap fades the backlight off (5G ipod) 20.50.09 # most likely the case 20.50.32 # DerPapst: indeed 20.52.17 # ok, got the svn compiled + mod player 20.53.17 # there is a mod player for rb? 20.53.22 # * DerPapst has missed that 20.59.35 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 21.00.39 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484a9d0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.03.42 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc5-brig8-0-0-cust142.brig.cable.ntl.com) 21.08.00 Join Gr3yzero [0] (n=NutsMcge@ip70-162-121-71.ph.ph.cox.net) 21.09.16 Quit sergey (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.09.48 Join Chewie[] [0] (n=chewie@24-236-182-178.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) 21.11.23 # Hey does anyone have any experience compiling rockbox in Kubuntu? 21.11.39 # Gr3yzero: should be the same as on any other linux 21.13.14 # i'm running into that arm-elf-gcc error, and i can't seem to find where ubuntu installed the compiler 21.13.21 # Gr3yzero: I have 21.13.31 # that arm-elf-gcc error? 21.13.49 # Gr3yzero: I have experiences compiling rockbox in ubuntu 21.13.50 # and ubuntu should not have installed that compiler at all, afaik 21.13.55 # when i go to configure it says it can't find arm-elf=gcc 21.14.22 # i'm pretty sure i apt-got the all the gcc for arm 21.14.27 # Gr3yzero: and you installed it and have adjusted your PATH to your new installed compiler? 21.14.30 Join sergey [0] (n=sergey@ppp91-76-105-51.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) 21.14.35 # you need to follow the wiki 21.14.37 # that's the thing 21.14.50 # can't figure out where it got installed 21.14.51 # any apt from ubuntu is no good 21.14.59 # The compiler is installed an a another place, you must adjust the PATH as Badger said 21.15.53 # wait the gccs from apt aren't going to work 21.15.59 # nope 21.16.24 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler 21.18.08 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 21.18.11 # Gr3yzero: I've got Feisty on amd64... no problems 21.18.35 # what did you add to your path to get the compiler to work? 21.18.48 # i'm running Feisty i386 flavor 21.18.55 Quit Rondom (Nick collision from services.) 21.19.11 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A96045.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.20.55 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B16E0F.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.21.53 # Gr3yzero, in my case it was export PATH=$PATH:/home/adam/local/arm-elf/bin 21.22.20 # did you make your copiler from source or install through apt? 21.22.25 # Gr3yzero: tools/rockboxdev.sh is your friend 21.23.18 # http://download.rockbox.org/cross-gcc/arm-elf-tools-base-gcc4.0.3.deb 21.23.24 # should work too... 21.23.44 # Gr3yzero, I've left the whole thing to the script... 21.24.41 # of course I have bunch of other dev tools installed such as make, etc 21.26.36 # the script checks for the most obvious ones these days 21.26.47 # running the script now 21.27.27 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.27.27 # back to trying to figure out why Klisje Paa Klisje has tempo problems 21.29.03 Join secleinteer [0] (n=scl@adsl-70-237-207-203.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) 21.31.38 Quit PaulJam (".") 21.35.59 # is the album art patch currenntly in SVN? 21.36.05 # nope 21.37.25 # did they pull it from the tracker? 21.37.38 # the ones that use it, yes I guess 21.39.40 # is it available somewhere else? 21.40.12 # the patch? 21.40.28 # why is the tracker not good enough? 21.40.41 # because it's no longer on the album art page 21.41.08 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3045 has nothing to download 21.41.27 # yes it does 21.42.01 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 21.49.57 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 21.50.22 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484a9d0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.55.56 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 21.56.24 Quit secleinteer (Remote closed the connection) 22.03.48 Quit thegeek () 22.05.56 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s189a.studby.ntnu.no) 22.07.42 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 22.07.48 Join notlistening [0] (i=568723c9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3c520ea02b54b814) 22.08.36 # Hello :) 22.09.05 # anyone there? 22.09.14 # yes 22.09.26 # hi 22.09.44 # I have come because I have quess what questions :p 22.10.04 # then ask 22.10.25 # lol sorry 22.11.25 # I have an X5 with dualboot on it and well there seem to be a problem with starting the player when I have the AC adapter connected and also the charing indicator does not work 22.11.39 # I was wondering if this was a know problem or I am doing somthing wrong? 22.12.28 # I don't think you can do much wrong 22.12.33 # otherwise this is a brilliant project 22.12.46 # and I'm not aware of this problem before, did you check the bug tracker? 22.12.52 # U am registered blind so it means I can now use my player again 22.14.16 # Bagder: is iban/swift just a wire transfer? 22.14.25 # no I have stiooed here first as I find it very hard to trawl through the internet for information like that 22.14.43 # scorche: yes, iban/swift is a standard for that between banks 22.14.50 # sorry 22.14.51 # by george i think i got it 22.15.07 # scorche: I've sent of the package today 22.15.19 # they say it should arrive between june 11 - 13 22.15.42 # nice timing =) 22.16.08 # yeah 22.16.15 # 4.4 kg! 22.16.48 # ouch 22.17.18 # ok I will have a look further thanks for the information 22.18.18 # could I ask a quick question which media library are you using ? 22.21.08 Quit mirak (Remote closed the connection) 22.21.57 # * Bagder uses no media library at all 22.22.15 # does anyone in here actually have a sandisk sansa running rockbox? 22.22.23 # yes 22.22.44 # would you call it "worth it"? 22.22.59 # what does that mean? 22.23.20 # I'm a rockbox hacker since day 0 22.23.28 # i intend to be as well. 22.23.32 # but i also need tunes. 22.23.51 # I wouldn't use a player without rockbox, or working on a rockbox port for it 22.24.28 # so I would say that if the sansa didn't run rockbox and I couldn't make it so, I'd get rid of it 22.24.48 # is it a piece of junk without rockbox? 22.24.57 # nah, I wouldn't say that 22.25.07 # ok, close enough. :-P 22.25.09 # it seemed OK, the little I used it 22.25.55 # you use the sansa primarily, or do you have an arsenal of other players with rockbox? 22.26.15 # I have 4 rockbox targets 22.26.29 # but no, I don't use my sansa a lot 22.26.48 Join rift_ [0] (n=heroes@234.56.70-86.rev.gaoland.net) 22.27.58 Quit desowin ("use linux") 22.29.38 Join webguest00 [0] (i=43ad8a99@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9c85aad7fe02b939) 22.30.06 Join petur [0] (n=petur@d54C6F777.access.telenet.be) 22.30.43 # Bagder: could take the opportunity and check my patch to be sure GPIO interrupts work on your e200 too? I've got to run out but will check the logs when I get back if you do. 22.31.09 # sorry, not now, I accidentally left my sansa at work yday 22.31.11 # hi can anybody help me find the pacman roms i nedd for my ipod video? please? i already checked out the links in the manual but i cant find the roms in those sites. please help? 22.31.35 # webguest00: that is something we cannot help you with 22.31.46 # y? 22.31.50 # ah, ok. I try to avoid the "stick it in SVN and hope noone complains" tactic if possible. :) 22.32.01 # hehe 22.32.09 Quit The-Compiler (Remote closed the connection) 22.32.12 Join haemmy [0] (n=stefan@194.208.162.140) 22.32.15 # webguest00: read the guidelines that are linked in the topic 22.32.34 # isnt that a rockbox question? 22.32.55 # more specifically, "Please do not discuss how to obtain copyrighted material illegally" 22.33.10 # oh. it's illegal? 22.33.20 # sorry i didnt know. 22.33.22 # to find it on the internet, it is 22.33.23 # : ( 22.33.40 # ok thanks anyway. 22.34.20 Quit webguest00 (Client Quit) 22.34.41 # hrm...i was going to link him to the wiki, but /shrug 22.35.36 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@127.1.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 22.35.46 Join Gasha [0] (i=5ae584e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d500588c05f96362) 22.37.22 # Gr3yzero: scroll down on that page 22.37.27 # oops 22.37.31 # hiho 22.37.44 # hi haemmy 22.38.29 Join arkascha [0] (n=arkascha@xdsl-213-196-193-65.netcologne.de) 22.39.12 Quit rift (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.39.48 Join saratoga [0] (i=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3d1b54301e1b1804) 22.43.21 Quit Gasha ("CGI:IRC") 22.44.13 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@avc146.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 22.46.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.47.11 Join Brunellus [0] (n=luigi@unaffiliated/brunellus) 22.48.18 Quit annulus_ (Connection reset by peer) 22.49.54 Join jac0b [0] (n=jac0b@user-11209e0.dsl.mindspring.com) 22.50.48 Part jac0b 22.52.16 Quit arkascha (Remote closed the connection) 22.53.27 Join tbaG [0] (i=tbaG@cpe-76-166-144-237.socal.res.rr.com) 23.02.21 Quit The-Compiler (Remote closed the connection) 23.07.31 Join webguest66 [0] (i=43ad8a99@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9c68006d903852b2) 23.08.38 # hi i would like to know if there is a way to add more games to rockbox? i want to add games to the plugins section like pacbox and doom those types of games. can i do that? 23.09.43 # can i add more rocks? 23.09.44 # if you know how to code in C 23.10.19 # no not really is it easy or hard? 23.10.42 # not so hard, but it takes some practice 23.10.51 # oh 23.10.56 # do you know any other programming languages? 23.11.02 # does it tell me how to do that in the manual? 23.11.56 # Are you asking if there is "a course in C programming" included in the rockbox manual? 23.12.08 # webguest66: markun means "add more rocks" = "create more rocks" 23.12.10 # no. 23.12.46 # desowin: ah, maybe I misinterpreted his question.. 23.12.47 # i just wanted to know thats it. 23.12.57 # is ok. 23.13.00 # Does anyone know the latest stable version of the X5 dual bootloader? 23.13.22 # how can i play the demos that i downlaoded for doom? 23.14.16 # webguest66: that should be in the manual 23.14.35 # oh thank you. 23.14.39 # : ) 23.15.25 Quit webguest66 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23.21.17 Join webguest10 [0] (i=43ad8a99@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ef25ac24c492d32b) 23.21.46 Quit desowin ("use linux") 23.22.13 # hi it's me agian i have a quick question when i want to add demos to doom do i create a folder called demos in the domm folder? 23.22.27 # .rockbox/doom/demos like that. 23.22.31 # ??? 23.22.51 # I don't know, sorry 23.22.55 # ok 23.23.16 # thanks anyway. i'll try some other time. : ) 23.23.23 # ok, good luck 23.23.52 Quit webguest10 (Client Quit) 23.24.24 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 23.26.05 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 23.28.33 # is doom only a demo so not the full game? 23.28.58 Join RockingD [0] (n=sergey@ppp85-141-135-173.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) 23.29.05 # * RockingD 23.30.12 Join bluebrother [0] (i=ABF42KZs@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 23.30.57 Quit davina_ (Remote closed the connection) 23.31.22 Quit notlistening ("CGI:IRC") 23.31.30 # Hi. I'm testing RockBox on ipod 3G. I've noticed one interesting thing. rockbox accesses hdd about 4 times per minute to fill codec buffer, while when playing the same song on iaudio x5 it fills codec buffer only once. is that normal? 23.32.39 # that probably shouldn't happen 23.32.54 # but I don't know anyone here whos actively using the 3G, so its hard to say 23.33.24 Part tbaG 23.33.25 # If you go to System -> Debug -> View audio thread, that will show you what's going on. 23.34.01 # linuxstb_: getting a lot closer on this WMA bug 23.34.03 # check this out 23.34.04 # yes, it shows me that codec buffer fills max to ~3MB, while the song size is about 8MB 23.34.04 # http://www.duke.edu/~mgg6/rockbox/progress.png 23.34.16 # red = fixed, blue = next bug to track down 23.38.40 Quit sergey (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.43.26 Quit FOAD_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.45.06 Quit DerPapst (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.45.13 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.208.76) 23.46.36 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-70-113-91-140.austin.res.rr.com) 23.47.24 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.47.46 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.208.76) 23.50.26 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 23.50.47 # n8 23.51.33 Join BigMac [0] (n=mike@c-71-234-95-131.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) 23.51.44 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@pD9EB233C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 23.52.20 Quit haemmy () 23.53.43 Quit Gr3yzero (Remote closed the connection) 23.55.37 Join p3tur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 23.55.38 Quit petur ("system switch") 23.55.53 Nick p3tur is now known as petur (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur)