--- Log for 11.06.107 Server: niven.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 9 days and 15 hours ago 00.00.00 # It's impossible to install Rockbox without the hidden partition. 00.00.56 # The Apple flash bootloader loads from the hidden partition, so without one nothing will boot but emergency disk mode and diagnostic mode. 00.02.12 # Llorean,Rockbox is already installed and working its the new ipodpatcher tha cant auto detect it 00.02.16 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-70-235-227-127.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) 00.02.55 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@71-10-1-92.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) 00.04.20 # Robin0800: If Rockbox is working, why do you think the partition is gone? Feel free to pastebin your partition table and show it to me, I guess, but if it were gone Rockbox shouldn't work. 00.06.11 # Llorean, Thats why I want an old ipodpatcher so Ican see the pation table 00.07.04 Part maffe 00.07.11 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 00.07.37 # I highly doubt the older one will work if the current one doesn't. 00.07.40 # The older one was just stricter. 00.07.51 # This one should work on more, not less, iPods. 00.08.13 # IIUC, the "new" one just runs one less check. 00.09.21 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 00.09.54 # Llorean,the old one used to work the new one dosen't I used the old one to install rockbox three months ago 00.10.25 # Is this the old, old, one before autodetection and automatic installation? 00.10.49 # Without a version number, I don't know which "old" one you're talking about: ipodpatcher has gone through many changes. 00.11.16 Part pixelma 00.11.19 # Llorean,no auto detection used to work 00.12.09 # And you've not reformatted or in any way altered your partitions since the old one worked? 00.12.34 # Llorean,NO 00.13.10 # No need to shout. 00.13.16 # I'm not sure how I'm supposed to have guessed the answer to that. 00.13.29 # Llorean,sorry 00.13.33 # just use something like fdisk to see the partition table 00.14.16 # Ipodpatcher can probably still at least show it to you if you give it the right device as a parameter right? 00.14.25 # Didn't it have a --list option? 00.14.25 # scorche,fdisk isn't in xp 00.14.29 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 00.14.48 # Like "ipodpatcher 1 --list" or something similar? 00.14.52 # * Llorean can't remember the parameters anymore 00.14.53 # Can't rockbox show the partition layout (in the Debug menu)? 00.17.31 # linuxstb,yes it can I ve just done it 00.18.04 # And what type is the main partition? As I said, it must be 0xb for ipodpatcher to recognise it. 00.18.13 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host132-219-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 00.26.33 # linuxstb, this is the info http://pastebin.ca/557257 00.27.23 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@212.204.47.129) 00.28.24 # That's why ipodpatcher doesn't recognise it - the type of the main partition is C, not B like all other ipods. 00.28.44 # How did you reformat it? Did you also repartition? 00.29.33 # And I didn't understand your earlier answer - does the Apple firmware not work, or do you not have the Apple firmware installed? 00.30.39 # linuxstb, i used fat32format for 60gb did not repartion 00.31.12 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 00.31.17 # linuxstb,no apple installed 00.34.03 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 00.34.04 # linuxstb,thats the T:C you mean? 00.34.41 # OK, it's fat32format's fault (the source is available, and I've just checked what it does). It changes the partition type to 0xC. 00.35.25 # Yes, T: means Type. 00.36.26 # linuxstb,I believe there is an HP format tool does thst work correctly? 00.37.54 # linuxstb whats the difference between 0xB and 0xC? 00.39.44 # linuxstb,is this all to do with LBA because of larger thn 32 GB 00.39.52 # 0xc is LBA (required for disks > 137GB). fat32formatter sets that partition type to stop Windows 98 getting confused with large disks - but it does it regardless of the size of the disk. 00.40.30 # LBA is already required for >~8GB 00.40.38 # But anyway, it's no problem to make ipodpatcher look for 0xc partitions as well - try this version - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher-svn.zip 00.40.57 # Sorry, I meant 48-bit LBA 00.41.27 Join webguest55 [0] (i=5168dd71@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-179033dedd72676f) 00.41.34 # I'm just quoting the comments in the fat32formatter source code which try to explain why it changes the partition type... 00.41.53 Join smaddy [0] (i=ebizwerk@S01060012c95f15b0.gv.shawcable.net) 00.42.05 # linuxstb: Yeah, but type 0xC is for FAT32 with LBA (all kinds, not only LBA48) 00.42.11 Quit webguest55 (Client Quit) 00.42.18 Join empheh [0] (n=purr@88-106-186-212.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 00.42.29 # can you use rockbox with ipod shuffle 00.42.32 # * linuxstb_ wonders if fat32formatter works on the 80GB - it would be trivial to port to Linux/Mac OS X. 00.42.59 # smaddy: no 00.43.10 # why not 00.43.17 Join qwm [0] (n=qwm@h162n1fls34o1010.telia.com) 00.43.20 # scorche 00.43.41 # smaddy: Nobody who owns a shuffle has done the porting work to get Rockbox running on that type of hardware. 00.45.35 # qwm 00.45.44 Quit petur ("Zzzz") 00.45.52 Part qwm 00.48.16 # would i able to use ipod shuffle as USB flashdrive? 00.48.48 # what are you asking? 00.49.31 # Robin0800: Did that ipodpatcher work? 00.51.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.52.24 Quit entheh (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.53.44 # linuxstb,yes 00.54.28 # do i have you use itunes to use ipod shuffle 00.54.56 # linuxstb,80 gb no problem I think the max is 320 gb 00.55.24 # linuxstb: In fact partition type 0xC is the correct one for FAT32 partitions which go beyong the CHS barrier (i.e. all targets with disks >8GB) 00.55.39 # Robin0800: I meant the 80GB ipod video - some fat32 formatters seem to create filesystems with problems. 00.56.36 Quit Vic ("Konversation terminated!") 00.57.01 # amiconn: That's odd - I'm sure all my Rockboxed devices are 0xb. (ipods are definitely all 0xb) 00.57.45 # smaddy: you can probably use gnupod or gtkpod 00.58.07 Quit lids (Remote closed the connection) 00.58.28 # do they support drm files? 00.58.33 # linuxstb: Linus' G5.5 also has the wrong type (0xb). All my other large-hdd targets have 0xc 00.59.45 # linuxstb,this is the ipod patcher output http://pastebin.ca/557314 01.00.06 Quit lyakh ("thanks, bye") 01.00.09 # smaddy: Your best bet is to go and do some research. This isn't really the appropriate place to find out about those programs 01.00.33 Quit ender` (" Doesn't it strike you as mildly ironic that most of the people who are against abortion are people you wouldn't want to fuck) 01.00.51 # smaddy: they're basicly tools to upload stuff to your ipod, they handle uploads and updating the db, it's not firmware 01.01.20 # does rockbox support DRM? 01.01.21 # Llorean: you have a point there 01.01.28 # smaddy: No. 01.01.38 # why not 01.01.39 # The mini uses 0xb too, but that's correct (small enough to be chs addressable) 01.01.59 # smaddy: 1) Many of us are philosophically against it. 2) Legal restrictions prevent it from being possible anyway 01.02.28 # linuxstb,change ipodpatcher to look for both? 01.02.52 # Robin0800: I already have done - that's the ipodpatcher you're using. 01.03.00 Quit DrMoos ("Glory to Rockbox") 01.03.14 Join kclaf [0] (i=kclaf@crj95-3-82-237-150-15.fbx.proxad.net) 01.03.35 # linuxstb_,great many thanks 01.04.17 Join lids [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-1f4eff9076c872b6) 01.04.26 # Robin0800: The official release hasn't been updated yet, so keep hold of that copy... 01.05.18 # linuxstb,I see mine says win95 fat 32 LBA is that 0xC 01.06.17 Quit paul_stead (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.06.32 # es 01.06.36 # I mean yes 01.07.06 # linuxstb,yes ill keep it safe just in case I have to reinstall 01.08.12 Quit Rincewind ("Cya") 01.11.19 # is there some trick to get the abs() of a 2's comp int without branches? 01.11.33 # like masking off the most significant bit? 01.19.52 # if you mask it off you'll have to add it back up to get the correct abs for negative numbers 01.20.12 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 01.20.28 # That's only possible on arm afaik (using conditional execution) 01.21.54 # you could perhats shift off the msb store it then right shift and add the stored bit, however I have a feeling there's a better way to do it 01.22.05 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 01.22.14 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 01.22.56 # thats complicated enough that i'll worry about that optimazation later 01.23.21 # saratoga: well, it saves you a branch :) 01.24.54 # does anyone here know about how fixed point ffts are rescaled at each step? 01.25.02 # i only sort of understand the idea 01.29.46 # linuxstb,I see its now been commited that was quick can fat32format tool be added somwhere in the wiki not sure where: instalation if dual boot not required? 01.31.47 # Probably best not to recommend fat32format until a new release of ipodpatcher has been made. You don't need to use it to remove the Apple firmware though. 01.32.59 # I wouldn't really recommend any tool that breaks the Apple firmware, considering how often people completely ignore any warnings posted as it is. 01.33.10 # What license is fat32format though? 01.33.17 # It's GPL'd 01.33.53 Quit n1s ("Leaving.") 01.33.57 # What do you mean about it breaking the Apple firmware? It's just a disk formatter. 01.34.38 # Ah, I got the impression it did from Robin suggesting it for people who didn't need the Apple firmware 01.34.48 # svn seems to be down? 01.35.39 # On a slightly related note, now that we no longer look for the Apple magic, is it possible to create MBRs that we could distribute with RBUtil so it can do the conversion from HFS on its own? 01.35.48 Quit empheh ("^~") 01.36.57 # You don't want to create MBRs - ipodpatcher can read the partition map from a Macpod, so it just needs an option to write it back as a DOS Partition Table. 01.37.44 # Ah, gotcha. 01.38.32 Join gtkspert [0] (n=gtkspert@gateless.info) 01.41.56 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 01.48.02 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.197.94) 01.53.47 Quit Robin0800 (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- *I* use it, so it must be good!") 01.54.20 Join markun [0] (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 01.57.54 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01.59.33 Join pixelma_ [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 02.00.10 Quit pixelma (Nick collision from services.) 02.00.10 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 02.13.56 Join Robin0800 [0] (n=Robin080@cpc5-brig8-0-0-cust142.brig.cable.ntl.com) 02.18.55 Quit Robin0800 (" I love my HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 02.19.08 Join Robin0800 [0] (n=Robin080@cpc5-brig8-0-0-cust142.brig.cable.ntl.com) 02.21.14 Quit Robin0800 (Client Quit) 02.21.22 Join Robin0800 [0] (n=Robin080@cpc5-brig8-0-0-cust142.brig.cable.ntl.com) 02.23.01 Quit Robin0800 (Client Quit) 02.23.08 Join Robin0800 [0] (n=Robin080@cpc5-brig8-0-0-cust142.brig.cable.ntl.com) 02.31.22 Quit Robin0800 (" I love my HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 02.34.43 Part pixelma 02.45.48 Part toffe82 02.51.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.57.33 Quit Thundercloud_ (Remote closed the connection) 02.58.21 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.197.94) 03.16.36 # should be getting a replacement mobo for my H120 this week =D. ill be running rockbox on an H120, H340, and a 4g b/w ipod 03.19.45 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 03.19.51 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 03.33.03 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 03.35.34 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B1739F.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.37.06 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.52.33 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B169CD.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.52.38 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04.05.56 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 04.06.02 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 04.06.35 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 04.07.17 Part maffe 04.07.26 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 04.11.49 Join Shaid` [0] (n=adam@203-214-46-170.dyn.iinet.net.au) 04.11.54 Quit Shaid (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.11.59 Nick Shaid` is now known as Shaid (n=adam@203-214-46-170.dyn.iinet.net.au) 04.17.47 # jhMikeS: you round? 04.22.23 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-12hdtj8.cable.mindspring.com) 04.22.31 Quit Davide-NYC (Client Quit) 04.27.15 Join _jah_ [0] (n=jeff@ip68-110-249-148.dc.dc.cox.net) 04.29.47 # <_jah_> hmm ... i'm getting all kinds of lockups on my 30g ipod photo using the current build ... anyone else in the same boat? 04.36.31 Quit Slowking_Man (Remote closed the connection) 04.38.50 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-70-235-227-127.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) 04.42.00 Part Llorean 04.43.15 Quit Soap ("Leaving") 04.46.20 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@cpe-70-113-91-140.austin.res.rr.com) 04.51.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.52.32 Join Administrator_ [0] (n=chatzill@64.252.2.179) 04.52.41 Nick Administrator_ is now known as Malpine (n=chatzill@64.252.2.179) 04.53.53 # got WMA integer decoding working properly for my test file :) 04.54.08 # can't ABX Windows and ffmpeg Integer 04.56.01 # You going to post a patch to ffmpeg with the integer decoder working once it's 'done'? 04.57.28 Quit Malpine ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]") 05.04.56 # I don't know 05.05.06 # i'd like to, but its not clear how that would work 05.05.34 # it would also be a lot of work, sinec I'd have to sync my version with theirs, and they've drifted a lot 05.05.42 # time permitting I'd like to though 05.06.01 # Aaah 05.06.03 # Well, that makes sense. 05.07.11 Join B1zz [0] (n=cgomez@cpe-76-166-102-141.socal.res.rr.com) 05.07.13 # SNR of my decoder verses the fp one is 67 dB 05.07.29 # should be enough that no one complains 05.07.35 # Yeah 05.08.37 # I get the impression WMA gets used most often in a space saving at the cost of quality capacity anyway. 05.09.06 # JdGordon: spottily 05.21.47 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 05.28.41 Quit relaxed (Remote closed the connection) 05.31.01 Quit chrisjs169 (Remote closed the connection) 05.31.58 Join chrisjs169 [0] (n=jack@pool-71-114-145-182.hrbgpa.dsl-w.verizon.net) 05.39.34 Quit Llorean (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 05.43.30 # i read the manual for rockbox for the iriver h300 series, i did not see anything on video. I was just wondering if there is any video support in rockbox, i mean the original firmware has it. 05.43.50 # B1zz look up mpeg player in the wiki 05.44.10 # thanks doomed 05.44.40 # need a link 05.44.40 # ? 05.44.56 # nope, looking at it atm 05.45.08 # ok np 05.49.54 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@cpe-70-113-91-140.austin.res.rr.com) 05.54.12 Quit secleinteer (Remote closed the connection) 05.55.30 Join covert_ [0] (n=chatzill@71.61.15.192) 05.55.32 Part covert_ 05.56.17 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@c-71-205-0-132.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 06.10.41 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B15A14.dip.t-dialin.net) 06.12.11 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 06.12.17 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 06.16.04 # how does one apply patches? i have an Iriver h300 series and there is a video patch. 06.16.22 # B1zz: see the wiki page SimpleGuideToCompiling 06.22.21 Join Llorea1 [0] (n=llorean@cpe-70-113-91-140.austin.res.rr.com) 06.22.29 Quit Llorean (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.22.32 Nick Llorea1 is now known as Llorean (n=llorean@cpe-70-113-91-140.austin.res.rr.com) 06.23.21 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.31.29 # How do you add a page on the wiki ? 06.33.10 # toffe82: type the name you want int the "go to" box, and it will say that that page doesnt exist and ask you if you want to make a new one 06.33.55 # ok , thanks, I will post the photo of the gigabeat v30 06.34.56 # Just type in what would be the URL for the page, and go from there 06.35.30 # same thing =) 06.43.06 Join Malpine [0] (n=chatzill@64.252.2.179) 06.44.29 # noob question: how do I find my music? 06.45.14 Join gantrixx [0] (n=gantry@ip24-251-36-103.ph.ph.cox.net) 06.45.42 # does the container (such as ogg or mp4) change the fidelity of the music? 06.48.34 Quit Malpine ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]") 06.51.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.55.56 Join jba [0] (n=jba@c211-30-160-138.blktn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 06.56.08 # hey fellas, it's been a while 06.56.10 # markun, you awake? 06.56.39 # hey jba 06.57.47 # hey toffe82 long time no see 06.57.56 # yes 06.58.00 # i heard you were helping with the hardware effort on the gigabeat s? 06.58.10 # my x is rocking more than ever 06.58.30 # yes and I just upload the photos of the V30 which as the same electronic as the S 06.58.40 # I have a X also 06.59.45 # Llorean: there? 07.00.59 Quit Llorean (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.04.05 Quit rotator () 07.11.27 # you can have a look on the V30 there : http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatVInfo 07.13.30 Join chrisjs169_ [0] (n=jack@pool-71-114-145-182.hrbgpa.dsl-w.verizon.net) 07.15.49 Join MX-G [0] (n=MX-G@189.157.92.82) 07.16.23 # why i cant be able to play .mp4 files? 07.16.27 # video? 07.17.35 # because Mpegplayer doesnt suppot them 07.18.43 Quit chrisjs169 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 07.18.44 # what does it support? 07.19.09 # see the wiki page PluginMpegplayer 07.19.45 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 07.20.58 Part kaaloo 07.29.42 Quit desowin ("use linux") 07.29.46 # thanks =) 07.29.48 Quit MX-G ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 07.30.09 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@202.32.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 07.33.49 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B16A13.dip.t-dialin.net) 07.35.42 Quit The-Compiler ("Connection reseted by god") 07.36.51 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.40.02 Join otih_ [0] (n=otih@p54A4DE56.dip.t-dialin.net) 07.41.22 Join Buschel [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3F889.dip.t-dialin.net) 07.41.47 Join lymeca [0] (n=lymeca@unaffiliated/lymeca) 07.42.29 # Is there a way I can have Rockbox *not* enter USB mode and boot Apple's disk mode software when I plug in the USB cable to my 4th gen iPod? 07.42.43 # I'd like it to just charge sometimes and listen to music whilst charging off of USB. 07.43.29 Join neutralrobotboy [0] (n=neutralr@177.169.233.220.exetel.com.au) 07.43.58 # hold menu while inserting the cable 07.43.59 Part neutralrobotboy 07.44.05 Quit Buschel (Client Quit) 07.45.07 Quit B1zz ("Ex-Chat") 07.47.10 Part maffe 07.47.13 # scorche: Awesome... should there be any UI notifications of charging status? 07.47.44 # the battery icon on the status bar will change 07.47.53 # Also, can I make this the default behavior and hold menu to enter Apple's disk mode? 07.48.23 # wait...you wanted to hold menu to enter apple's disk mode? 07.48.48 # Yes... I'd rather it merely stay in Rockbox and charge when I plug in to USB 07.48.56 # As a default action anyway. 07.49.02 # oh 07.49.12 # then not really unless you change it yourself 07.49.22 Join indigio3 [0] (n=indigio3@cpc3-clif5-0-0-cust439.nott.cable.ntl.com) 07.49.35 # Yes but is there a way to change it myself other than hacking the code? 07.49.42 # no 07.49.54 Join neutralrobotboy [0] (n=neutralr@177.169.233.220.exetel.com.au) 07.51.58 # my h300 appears to be charging via usb while connected to my computer as an external hd. is that right? 07.53.18 # those devices do support charging over usb, yes 07.53.29 Quit otih (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.54.15 # anyone know if any seagate drives (especially the lyrions) fit/are compat with the M5L? 07.54.43 Part neutralrobotboy 07.54.44 # you were told to ask somewhere else, i believe... 07.55.35 # ? 07.55.38 # nope 07.55.52 # iaudiophile 07.56.02 # been there.. no help 07.56.20 # nm 07.59.42 Part toffe82 07.59.46 Quit indigio3 () 08.14.38 Quit jba ("Leaving") 08.15.13 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B1779A.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.24.54 Join lch_ [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-216-101-162-42.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) 08.25.36 # howdy folks 08.25.50 # what's the current premier hardware to run rockbox on? 08.26.03 # my h340 is slowly dying 08.26.30 Quit joa ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 08.28.55 # All the rockbox targets have their pros and cons. It depends on what features you want most 08.29.09 # afaics, the h340 is the only one with line in and fm and microphone 08.29.14 # ... but honest I never really used those 08.29.26 # I guess the main thing is realtime FLAC and a color screen 08.29.35 # and preferably long battery life 08.29.54 # I saw on the wiki that the ipod 80gb battery life is about half of what Apple's roms gets 08.30.02 # how's the battery life on the gigabeat f40? 08.32.07 Part ATravelingGeek ("Leaving") 08.33.06 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.33.44 # I don't know 08.34.00 # If you want long battery life, you could consider the X5L 08.34.19 # And btw, the h300 is not the only one with line in + fm + mic 08.34.37 # X5L = gigabeat 5gb ? 08.34.49 # oh, no, I see it 08.34.54 # "cowon", never heard of it 08.35.06 # what other players have line in + fm + mic? 08.35.17 # many 08.36.18 # ah, x5l has those too 08.37.03 # Starting from the ooold archos fm recorder and Ondio FM, then the iriver h100 and h300 series, iaudio X5 series 08.37.15 # (except the x5v) 08.37.48 # archos fm was my first rockbox rig--sadly, it was junk, and unfixable when it failed 08.38.09 # Not sure whether the iriver h10 has line in and mic. The Sansa has mic + fm, but no line in. And its recording capabilites are crap, imho 08.38.32 # it looks like the x5v has above-average audio quality 08.38.43 # Don't get the 'v' if you want fm 08.38.46 # the h340 was sort of the audiophile-preferred rig back in the day, iirc 08.39.04 # my mistake, I'm looking at the X5L on amazon right now 08.39.21 # The audio quality (at least the headphone out) of the x5 is better than that of the irivers, imho 08.40.15 # how's the rockbox ui on the iaudio? I'm used to the iriver; people are complaining about the lack of a "stop" button 08.40.31 # it looks like it just doesn't have enough buttons 08.41.06 # and you need some weedy external box in order to use usb or power 08.41.45 # Yes, and line in/out 08.41.48 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 08.43.24 Join austriancoder [0] (n=austrian@80.120.117.30) 08.43.57 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.dsl.t-2.net) 08.45.09 Join GodEater_ [0] (n=bryan@bb-87-80-121-64.ukonline.co.uk) 08.45.10 Join Slowking_Man [0] (i=slow@wikipedia/Slowking-Man) 08.47.36 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54965703.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.48.59 # is the touchpad ui on the gigabeat pretty slick with rockbox? 08.49.06 # or is it sadly clunky? 08.49.48 Join B4gder [0] (n=daniel@static-213-115-255-230.sme.bredbandsbolaget.se) 08.50.07 # lch_: try it out 08.50.39 # LinusN: besides buying a gigabeat and installing rockbox... how would I do that? 08.51.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.51.34 # lch_: well how would we know how you define "pretty slick" or "sadly clunkly" 08.52.06 # LinusN: Since the 1.8" hdd manufacturers all seem to move towards zif connectors (or ce-ata), do you think it would be possible to make a zif adapter for the irivers and iaudios? 08.52.26 # I.e. would such an adapter fit, or isn't there enough room? 08.52.48 # i'd say that it would be hard, not much room 08.52.51 # * amiconn doesn't remember right now, and also didn't fiddle with zif connectors yet 08.53.30 # amiconn: I only changed the battery in my H140 recently, and from that experience I'd say there's absolutely no room at all 08.53.51 # amiconn: but worth a try... 08.54.12 # * amiconn wonders why there are meanwhile 4 different connectors for 1.8" HHDs 08.54.18 # *HDDs 08.54.33 # you would have to solder the strip right onto the adapter board 08.55.01 # GodEater_: I guess I should be more specific. does the rockbox port only support tapping, to simulate button presses, or does it do stuff with press-and-drag? 08.55.18 # it only supports tapping currently 08.55.29 # there are plans to maybe use press and drag 08.55.30 # and there would still not be much room for the adapter 08.55.41 # but we don't know what to use it for yet :) 08.55.45 # Hmm, that could be an alternative 08.55.59 # Iirc the hdd is connected via a flexible strip in the iaudios 08.56.02 # i'd have to compare the dimensions of the two hard drives 08.56.10 # One could replace the whole strip 08.56.46 # this sounds like pretty drastic work with a soldering iron =/ 08.56.47 # iaudio x5 should be much easier than h100 08.57.07 # * GodEater_ lacks l33t soldering skills 08.57.08 # GodEater_: how are the buttons mapped on the WPS? 08.57.36 # lch_: you'd best consult that manual for an accurate listing - I couldn't recite them off the top of my head 08.57.40 # me too--I spent hours today trying to fix the dc power socket on my iriver, and have finally given up 08.57.42 # s/that/the 08.57.43 # food for thought 08.58.45 # That raises the question where to get the base material for flexible pcbs 08.58.48 # is Antoine Cellerier a new developer? 08.59.00 # * GodEater_ doesn't recall seeing the name before 08.59.08 # I tried to find such material recently (for a completely different purpose), but failed :( 08.59.16 # GodEater: nope 09.00.09 # GodEater: that is dionoea i believe 09.00.14 # ahhh 09.00.24 # not in the nick list on the wiki 09.00.32 # so I couldn't work it out on my own 09.00.40 # http://www.ohloh.net/projects/3978/contributors/23419 :-) 09.00.51 # Yes, and he's been around for years. #83 in CREDITS 09.01.54 # * B4gder likes the "comment ratio" ;-) 09.02.35 # does the ipod port support using the scroll wheel to pick your volume / seek in the current track / scroll through menus, as the native ipod roms do? 09.02.41 # Wow, these people at ohloh seem to have too much time 09.03.00 # amiconn: they do seem to have some sort of business idea... 09.03.12 # lch_: not seek 09.04.00 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.07.11 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 09.07.39 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust362.winn.cable.ntl.com) 09.09.39 # well, thanks for the facts; I still haven't made up my mind tho 09.09.40 # g'night 09.09.47 Quit lch_ ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 09.19.36 # goodmorning austriancoder, how's usb today? ;) 09.20.57 # petur: quite good... I have some basic stuff... interface for ep management and at the moment i am looking the for a good way to handle irq's from usb hardware 09.21.49 # using the wasabi stack as base? 09.22.39 # * austriancoder thinks rockbox needs a simple doubly linked list implementation 09.23.12 # I've been thinking about borrowing some list stuff from the linux kernel 09.23.21 # but I've never gotten around to actually do it 09.23.36 Join davina_ [0] (n=dave@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 09.23.37 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjorn@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 09.23.45 # petur: as wasabi is only for otg, and I want to test my hardware interface for device mode, so i have not done anything with wasabi 09.23.56 Quit chrisjs169_ (Remote closed the connection) 09.24.00 # B4gder: sounds like a good idea :) 09.25.44 Join chrisjs169_ [0] (n=jack@pool-71-114-145-182.hrbgpa.dsl-w.verizon.net) 09.26.11 # austriancoder: I'm kicking it around a bit, I hope to get it do the host stuff I want pretty soon. Yesterday, I managed to get some stand-alone code start up an attached device (no transfers), and the same code failed after I let wasabi init the chip. So I feel that if I find the issue in the wasabi init, I may get usbotg rolling... 09.26.44 Quit toer (Remote closed the connection) 09.26.50 Join toer [0] (i=tore@skjeldal.com) 09.27.17 # * petur kicks payed work for making him do overtime 09.27.49 # * austriancoder hopes to get some basic device stack working today... 09.29.01 # hey all, does ayone mind If 1 letter in one of the fonts is changed sightly to make it more readbale? 09.29.26 # readbale :) 09.29.35 # readbale is good 09.29.45 # *g* 09.30.36 # beh, readable... 09.30.51 # beh = something between meh and bah :p 09.30.59 # * pondlife preferred readbale anyway 09.31.29 # so, ah, yes or no? 09.32.01 # lots of font stuff have been fixed before, I don't see why we would mind now 09.32.22 # improvements == good imo 09.33.17 # ok cool, ill do that a bit later then 09.40.12 # Zagor: hey, can you add a line at the top of flyspray to tell people not to post comments saying a patch isnt in sync anymore? 09.40.50 # jhMikeS: still round? 09.46.37 # JdGordon: I'll do even better: a line of text just above the comment box 09.47.08 # :) just getting sick of those comments 09.47.17 Quit ender` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.47.24 Join pearldiver [0] (n=say@cpe-72-225-231-80.nyc.res.rr.com) 09.50.51 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 09.51.01 # JdGordon: yus 09.51.13 # hey 09.51.30 # what's up? 09.51.38 # is the priority yield really nesaccery? Removing it seems to make the whole thing work 09.52.17 # I actually pinged you because I got confused at what volume you were talking about in the comment :) im fiddling wit the iit sequence to see if that fixes anything 09.52.26 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 09.52.32 # yes, it'll show that is it is. why there should be trouble with that makes no sense. 09.53.30 # just got the EC_COMMAND panic :( 09.53.35 # do you mean just having no yield? 09.54.21 # no, after fiddling with the init 09.54.46 # I was talking about your comment about removing it 09.55.52 # yeah, removing the yield doesnt cause any extra problems 09.55.55 # I'm guessing the yield can make a timeout occur and it's really not in the right place anyway. More generous timeout is probably called for anyway. 10.00.04 # hmmm...I'm shooting in the dark about some stuff atm anyway. I need the SD card info to see what really _should_ be done. 10.03.50 # JdGordon: Why don't you like a "this patch is out of sync" comment in flyspray? IMO, it's useful to have that information in the task so people who are not capable of syncing it know to not attempt to apply it. It also tells a potential committer the current status. 10.04.39 # austriancoder: that wasabi stack should be able to do both host, device and otg, but I guess the device part is much simpler than host and otg... If we don't need wasabi I'll probably do the host stuff on my own then ( I had kind of hoped you would take a stack that does both host and device (like wasabi) and do the integration stuff so that I only had to focus on getting the isp1362 stuff working) 10.05.06 # linuxstb_: they annoy me because either the devs are still workin on it, so they know its out of sync, or a potential commiter would realisewhent hey try patching it... 10.05.48 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 10.06.20 # JdGordon: Only a tiny number of patches are currently being actively developed - in general, people post and run. 10.06.45 # I agree for those kinds of patches, constant "out of sync" messages could be annoying, but in general I think they're helpful. 10.07.25 # OK, yeah I guess that makes sense.. 10.08.27 # petur: at the moment i am only doing a proof-of-conecpt to see how it could work.. I only want to get Standard-Requests working. Then, I will look how to integrate it into wasabi. One thing i dint like that much about wasabi is that its source code is not well formated. You can conzentrate on wokring n isp3292 stuff... hope this is okay for you 10.08.52 # JdGordon: seems odd the problems only come when using the second card. I'm using the driver right now but no card and things seem to run...but it's not the pure patch. 10.09.32 # JdGordon: But Zagor obviously agreed with you, and no-one else objected... 10.09.42 # jhMikeS: I guess the internal chip is much faster than the external one which could cause the problem? 10.10.31 # could be...is there any difference in buffering speed between them? 10.10.54 # linuxstb_: actually, I think the thing that really pisses me off is getting emails about the patches that they know full well has not ben forgotten about 10.11.15 # jhMikeS: no idea... have we got any way to test that? 10.11.49 # a steady 1,2,3...and the audio debug screen :) 10.12.17 # same data from both sources of course 10.12.40 # austriancoder: I agree on the wasabi code formatting ;) But as the code isn't actively developed, we can make it our own and clean up as we go. In fact, my hacking around has made it worse :D 10.13.11 # petur: this sounds like a very good idea 10.13.51 # JdGordon, linuxstb_: message removed again, it didn't feel quite right after all. ping me again if it becomes a problem. 10.14.09 # petur: If I can react on interrupts from sansas hardware, I can tell you more about the device driver side 10.15.14 # jhMikeS: Ive added some code so we can at least try to be scientific about it :p 10.15.30 # have to get the same tracks on both... gimme a few min and ill let you know how I go 10.15.35 # austriancoder: I would also think it is a good idea if you would write down what you're doing in a wiki page so that it is easier for me to follow up. Just a short progress report, better updated frequently with short notices than write a lot every week. If you get the idea ;) 10.16.04 Join safetydan [0] (n=dan@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 10.16.23 # petur: no problem.. i have here some handdrawings... will scan them and put them online 10.16.37 # good 10.18.22 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@212.204.47.129) 10.18.23 # maybe a small plugin to benchmark transfers? 10.20.40 # * jhMikeS actually added yielding to both loops with a rearrangement of code and everything seems to still run ok 10.21.14 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A970D8.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.21.49 # jhMikeS: no, added a counter to the playback buffering function 10.22.00 # me put the timer display on the wrong debug screen tohhuogh 10.22.10 # hwcoded instead fo swcodec accidently :p 10.22.46 # jhMikeS, JdGordon: there is the test_disk plugin to measure these things I believe (not a 100% sure that's what you're looking for though). AFAIK the svn version only works with the internal memory but amiconn send me one which measures MMC on the Ondio - don't know what's involved to get it working. 10.23.00 # what do you think of using a double linked list, for isr? Something like, register_irq/isp(GPIO_PORT, PIN, function_pointer); Then in system-**.c setup for every gpio a list. If an interrupt on a GPIO happen, look on which pin and call all registerd isr routines 10.23.23 # pixelma: ah, thanks 10.25.46 # austriancoder: why doubly linked? all ports need polling anyway 10.26.48 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 10.27.04 # * petur wonders who needs to move backwards in a list of chained irq routines 10.27.11 # frankly an array would be fine since the list is pretty much stable...and PIN must be a bitmask 10.28.24 # btw. with MMCs there are very noticeable differences in the cards themselves maybe that applays to (micro)SD as well? 10.28.30 # jhMikeS: why do all ports need pooling? I thought cpu says that there is an interupt and general irq routine is called.. now in rockbox main irc call we can look for the source and call all registerd function pointers... array is okay and PIN == bitmask 10.28.33 # ;) 10.29.37 # you only know a GPIO interrupt occurred, not which one caused it until inspecting each GPIOx_INT_STAT 10.30.59 # I suppose multiple GPIO interrupts could happen at once as well 10.31.02 # okay 10.31.57 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host144-213-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 10.32.41 # safetydan: Oops, sorry about posting that comment to your sorting tags post at the same time you posted a patch which did what my comment was describing... 10.32.59 # pixelma: I've been under the impression it's the same memory chips but maybe not :| 10.33.03 Quit linuxstb ("Leaving") 10.33.09 Quit Nibbier (Remote closed the connection) 10.33.58 Join Nibbier [0] (n=sven@port-212-202-177-141.dynamic.qsc.de) 10.35.38 # oops, red. 10.35.40 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 10.37.10 Quit sando (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.41.54 # Hmm, anyone able to see what I borked? 10.42.19 # the Archos sims fail to link - undefined reference to `_talk_menus_enabled. 10.42.29 # But talk.c is included (well, talk_id links ok). 10.43.24 # Something stupid that I can't see on a Monday morning I hope. 10.43.27 # Hello. pixelma did you get your minesweeper keymap change for iPod to compile again? 10.43.38 # whats the difference betwwen DEBUGF and LOGF? 10.43.47 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@host.91-92-172-170.airbites.bg) 10.44.23 # LOGF logs to memory, DEBUF to a file... 10.44.32 # DEBUGF, even. 10.46.00 # pondlife: thanks 10.46.02 # pondlife: talk.c is surrounded by #if !defined(SIMULATOR) || CONFIG_CODEC == SWCODEC in apps/SOURCES, so it won't be included in HWCODEC sims. 10.47.21 # pondlife: Re the red sims - the hwcodec sims have no audio, hence no voice either. 10.51.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.54.13 # no partion found... whats going on with my sansa :( 10.54.57 # DEBUGF doesn't log to a file. In the sim it logs to the console, on target it's only usable when there is some interface to gdb. On archos you can use the serial i/f, and afaik on iFP there is an usb i/f. No other targets offer DEBUGF support afaik 10.55.31 # Whilst it's a bit useless with no audio, could I not remove the #if !defined(SIMULATOR) stuff. That would be the easiest fix, and I always prefer to remove #ifdef SIMULATORS... Voice file memory allocation should be simulated, if not playback... 10.56.08 # amiconn: build rockbock with logf support 10.56.47 Join printfXh4 [0] (n=pseudo@ppp121-45-243-36.lns2.bne4.internode.on.net) 10.58.43 # * preglow back 10.59.55 # welcome back :) 11.00.28 # Or I can just add the stubs in .. oh, how I love stubs :/ 11.02.30 # thankee 11.02.55 # Heh - I see the Zunelinux post when precisely nowhere over the weekend 11.03.00 # s/when/went 11.04.30 Join obo [0] (n=obo@host217-41-62-170.in-addr.btopenworld.com) 11.04.44 # linuxstb: no worries. Should have done it in the first place anyway. 11.14.03 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.197.94) 11.15.24 # GodEater_: my guess is that he expected us to say "Great idea! We will all buy zunes and do all the work" 11.16.18 # markun: heheh - yep 11.16.19 # im sure if he ever got a few developers to do all of the work for him, he would take all of the credit as "founder of the zunelinux project" 11.16.34 # of course 11.16.38 # I also noticed Zunepet has already posted in the zunelinux forums following the "BIG NEWS UPDATE" mp3 11.16.39 # jhMikeS: ok with my really bad testing method.. it seems the sd card is twice as fst as the internal ! 11.16.49 # GodEater: yeah...that was amusing 11.16.51 # so I'm guessing he doesn't really want to speak to him 11.17.04 # since Zunepet was less than complimentary :) 11.18.04 # i love how they have posts asking for oink invites on their forums as well... 11.18.21 # JdGordon: ummm...hmmmm....shame on SanDisk :) 11.18.22 # not to mention most everyone on there are wannabe youngsters ;) 11.18.36 # He's so modest :) http://zune-linux.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=121&pid=1290#pid1290 11.18.59 # markun: I assume that's the "I ate at Taco Bell forever to save money" post ? 11.19.12 # jhMikeS: yeah, na it must be wrong.. im fiddling with test_disk to get it t test both drives now 11.19.16 # * jhMikeS is a wanna-not-be quite so oldster 11.19.18 # "OK, so from now on, Fridays will generally be my announcement day. You're not guaranteed a blockbuster announcement (obviously) but I'll let you know exactly what is going on. Hopefully this will silence some of the critics of this project." hehe 11.19.37 # scorche: yeah - so his announcement this week was that there will be announcements 11.19.41 # very informative 11.20.00 # I can barely wait till next Friday 11.20.20 # i love how he is prioritizing the money donated to go towards buying a vBulletin license to "attract developers to the site" 11.20.27 # which will probably announce he's suspending the annoucements due to a stomach bug picked up at Taco Bell 11.22.32 # he must travel a lot too - to attend classes fulltime at 7 universities 11.22.38 # GodEater: i love the post after the linked one = 11.22.40 # p 11.22.58 # hehehe yeah :) 11.23.36 # hahaha "I'll be sending you all a client shortly to aid in a distributed crack of the Zune key." 11.23.50 # even if he had 100 clients...does he have any idea how long that would take? 11.24.46 Quit lymeca (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.25.33 # scorche: lets face it, he has no idea about anything 11.25.51 # aye, but it is amusing =) 11.26.01 # endlessly yes 11.27.37 # this kind of reminds me the wiili.org website ... they got lots of donations but didn't do anything with it. Kind of suspicious 11.27.42 # (Linux on Wii) 11.27.44 # Indeed - the "Official release of Zune Linux and global release party. (TBA) " cracks me up every time.. 11.28.04 # The Fundraiser thread is the most active one... 11.29.00 # show us your wiili :) 11.29.46 # hmmm...anyone have anything that would be good to talk about for DCW? 11.30.23 # (just curious if there was anything else people would want discussed) 11.30.28 Join bluebrother [0] (i=Re4OMAyA@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 11.31.54 # is there a wiki page for test_disk results? 11.32.23 Join paul_stead [0] (n=stead@82.69.201.206) 11.36.06 # ! test_disk seems to agree.. my sd card is faster than the internal storage 11.39.14 # Any idea about the difference in power consumption for the SD card compared to the harddrive ? (If that's a target with a harddrive) 11.40.24 # no idea 11.40.40 # the internal storage is up to 8gb though and the sd is only as much as 2gb cards 11.41.27 # although, we arn't using dma for the disk access are we? prob why its so slow 11.42.17 # i've seen 4 gig cards 11.42.55 # has anyone figured out how portalplayer dma works? 11.43.59 # MrH wrote a short description of it, but I don't think anyone has got it working. (I think it's in his NAND flash document on Bagder's site) 11.44.23 # he's a saint, i tell you 11.46.52 # hmm.. its only small files which the sd card is faster at.. the big ones are about the same speed 11.49.45 # preglow: Do you have any idea if it's faster on PP to do ldm/stm operations, or to try and do individual ldr/str commands and interleave them with register-only operations? 11.49.46 # Split block problem... same as on MMC 11.50.06 # JdGordon: I take it you're measuring on an e200 with 4gb internal chips? 11.50.21 # 2gb internal; 11.50.56 # I assume the numberin he brackets is the filesize? 11.53.24 # 512byte tests are al faster with he external card, and 1mb unaligned also 11.53.32 # all* the* 11.55.56 # And what external card? 1GB? 11.56.31 # yeah 11.56.35 Join DrMoos [0] (i=moos@m135.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 11.56.55 # tested 2 of them, both very similar speeds 11.59.00 Join rift_ [0] (n=opera@114.56.70-86.rev.gaoland.net) 12.04.52 Quit smaddy () 12.06.11 # linuxstb: ldm/stm should be faster 12.06.18 # linuxstb: what would the point of them be if not? 12.11.14 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3090.gwdg.de) 12.12.41 # how does sansa charging work? usb? 12.12.46 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 12.12.55 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 12.13.46 # amiconn: you were earlier asking about ZIF connector drives in irivers and iaudios. someone posted this on MR some time ago: http://www.stolltech.ch/iriver.pdf 12.14.00 # i thought it might interest you. 12.16.01 # preglow: I guess my question is whether the CPU will continue processing and execute a register-only instruction before the ldr/str is completed? 12.17.15 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 12.22.35 # preglow: yes... usb 12.23.19 # linuxstb: not the ipod cpu, arm9 and above might 12.23.46 # austriancoder: does it start up when inserting usb, or just start charging silently? 12.24.47 # linuxstb: i think doing ldm/stm would be faster anyway if you actually need to do sequantial accesses, each ldr/str is a three cycle (ideally) deal, ldm is num_reg + 2 cycles ideally, or something 12.25.00 # preglow: if player is off and you connect usb to it, the original fw will be loaded and usb mode starts.. if the player is in rockbox.. usb screen will come and nothing more.. 12.25.03 # linuxstb: and i don't think more than one cycle will be shaved off ldr/str on arm9, but i don't know 12.25.25 Quit Rick (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.25.41 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF7E3B.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.25.42 # austriancoder: so rockbox does not handle charging yet? what i'm looking for is pretty much the ipod behaviour where if you plug usb when it's off, rockbox starts and charges 12.26.09 Join Rick [0] (i=rick@pool-71-108-0-13.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 12.26.11 # charging is done when usb is connected... in usb mode 12.26.56 # ok, so no rockbox charging yet 12.27.04 # how's the usb gsoc stuff coming along, btw? :) 12.28.08 # amiconn: im bored, can you explain your viewports idea to me so I can have a play? 12.28.14 # preglow: it should charge under rockbox too.. (when you see rockbox usb logo) 12.28.44 # preglow: at the moment i am wokring to get standard usb requests working 12.28.54 # oh, ok, but it doesn't boot to rockbox if you insert usb when it's off? is that changable? 12.30.11 # brb 12.31.24 # correct.. it does not boot rockbox.. but charing is then done in original fw in usb mode 12.33.09 Join nls [0] (n=nils@h218n1fls35o293.telia.com) 12.33.22 # Rockbox does not start: No partiton :( If i use a prebuild from http://build.rockbox.org/ it boots... 12.35.05 # I reinstalled compiler and co with tools/rockboxdev.sh 12.38.30 # austriancoder: the obvious question, have you made any modifications to your source? 12.42.11 # preglow: Have you seen http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7286 ? 12.43.48 # * nls wants coldfire testers for FS#7264 12.45.55 Quit PaulJam (".") 12.46.38 Quit idnar (Nick collision from services.) 12.46.40 Join idnar_ [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 12.48.08 Join PaulJam [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3047.gwdg.de) 12.51.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.53.25 Join aLtair27 [0] (n=ray@125.60.237.182) 12.53.45 Nick idnar_ is now known as idnar (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 12.53.55 # godeater please respond 12.54.08 # i need someone to help me.. 12.56.11 # aLtair27: check the forum post again =) 12.57.30 # ok! 12.57.37 # you can respond here though 12.57.40 # it's probably easier 12.59.12 # ahe 12.59.15 # i think so 12.59.24 # but also i already posted 12.59.37 # yes, but you also said you'd drained the battery 12.59.48 # I was trying to work out if it had run out now or not 12.59.51 # clearly it hasn't 13.00.05 # otherwise it wouldn't still be displaying that text 13.00.39 # i drained it but after charging it still gives that message 13.00.50 Quit Ikarus (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.00.57 # so how long have you held the menu+select combo ? 13.01.46 # about 15-20 secs 13.01.48 # -_- 13.01.59 # hold it longer 13.02.08 # and make SURE you do the hold on->off trick first 13.02.12 # o 13.02.15 # i didi it 13.02.20 # is says now do not disconnect 13.02.25 # ta da 13.02.31 # almost 3 mins i help the menu selct combo 13.02.32 # now copy the files over you missed first time 13.02.38 Part maffe 13.02.48 # ok now where should i start 13.02.53 # nls: is there any other way to let gcc optimise memcpy/memset without the wrapper functions in each plugin? 13.03.00 # sorry im slow in responding cuz im not that good in english 13.03.10 # aLtair27: take the rockbox.zip, and unzip it to the root of your ipod 13.03.39 # as it says to do in section 2.2.2 of the manual 13.03.45 # so i have to download it in download section right? 13.03.57 # the "current builds" section 13.04.11 # safetydan: Put them in the plugin lib? 13.04.22 # safetydan: well, they could be placed in some included file or we could try to find every place where gcc tries to call memcpy/memset and call them through the plugin api explicitly... 13.04.23 # download the ipod Video 64MB build for you ipod aLtair27 13.04.45 # linuxstb: i have, and am planning to have a look at that and the musepack patch later today 13.04.48 # hopefully commit 13.05.00 # mine is 5.5g 80gig so i'll download 64mb build? 13.05.01 # if I had a penny for every time someone said "I've bricked my iPod" 13.05.11 # I'd have about 17 pence 13.05.16 # sweet lord, it's hot 13.05.31 # preglow: aye :-) 13.05.37 # btw how can i remove the first program i installed i think it should be removed and start again 13.05.46 # aLtair27: just leave it alone 13.05.50 # aLtair27: it's fine 13.05.58 # ok ^^ 13.07.35 # ok now what should i do nxt? 13.07.44 # aLtair27: I've said twice now :) 13.08.03 # if you're still in doubt - re-read section 2.2.2 of the manual 13.08.37 # yeah im gonna put it in my iPod_control folder right? 13.08.41 # no 13.08.45 # it doesn't say to put it there 13.08.49 # xD 13.09.15 # also read section 2.2.3 :) 13.09.53 # yeah currently downloading new copy haha lol 13.10.34 # @everyone in general - anyone know why there's no pdf version of the ipod video manual ? 13.10.51 # or more specifically - why there's no link to it 13.11.06 # hm 13.11.30 # ah, I wonder if that broke when we added the 64mb... 13.11.38 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54965677.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.11.59 # in the words of Honk Kong Phooey - "could be..." 13.12.09 # or perhaps Hong Kong Phooey 13.12.25 # * GodEater_ goes to buy typing lessons 13.13.04 Quit pondlife (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.13.10 # it's too late to learn, let's blame the kids of today instead 13.15.03 # them and their new-fangled computermabobs 13.15.42 # * GodEater_ realises he still attributed the quote wrong anyway - it was "Henry, the mild-mannered janitor" who said that. 13.16.15 # godeater im actually confused cant relate im confused in what part am i now of installation? 13.16.32 # aLtair27: you've already done section 2.2.4 13.16.40 # aLtair27: you need to make sure you now do 2.2.3 13.16.52 # thanks 13.17.41 # alberink: also - don't bother doing section 2.2.4 again - once is enough 13.18.01 # oops, wrong nick 13.18.12 # what does root of your player mean? 13.18.21 # i mean specificaly in what folder? 13.18.33 # ipod video pdf fixed 13.18.43 # safetydan: I think finding out where gcc calls memcpy and memset and calling them explicitly ourselves is going to be a lot of work and rewriting... what do you think? 13.18.45 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_directory 13.19.01 # aLtair27: are you running windows on your PC ? 13.19.02 # ^^ 13.19.05 # yup 13.19.12 # windows XP SP2 13.19.18 # then the folder is just the drive letter your iPod is connected as 13.19.26 # so if you iPod appears as "I:\" 13.19.34 # F:/ 13.19.35 # then that's the "root" of your iPod 13.19.42 # nls: would linuxstb's suggestion work? 13.19.42 # well that's where you unzip to then 13.19.45 # so i'll have to put it directly 13.19.59 # ^6 13.20.08 # * GodEater_ wonders whether we should have a diagram for this in the manual 13.20.14 # B4gder: thanks for fixing the manual 13.20.43 # so i'll put .rockbox on my F:/ 13.20.52 # wew 13.20.58 # aLtair27: correct 13.21.01 # im lucky that godeater is born 13.21.02 # =) 13.21.07 # safetydan: I must be blind, or left my memory somwhere else, 'cause I don't know of any suggestion from linuxstb... 13.21.17 # aLtair27: you're also lucky you caught me in a good mood ;) 13.21.27 # nls: [21:04] safetydan: Put them in the plugin lib? 13.21.50 # haha 13.22.01 # then now im done? 13.22.06 # safetydan: yes, that would work, do you think it's cleaner? 13.22.18 # aLtair27: yep - you can safely reboot your iPod now 13.22.26 # wew 13.22.34 # nls: well the thing I'm checking at the moment is if it actually makes any difference to the plugins. The assembler output for the jpeg plugin doesn't look at that different. 13.22.45 # Isn't rbutil supposed to make that installation process easier ? 13.23.10 # dionoea: yes 13.23.24 # dionoea: I keep forgetting to send people there. 13.23.35 # hehe 13.23.40 # is rbutil ready to replace the install section in our manual yet ? 13.23.49 # Disk mode ok to disconnect 13.23.51 # jhMikeS: ping 13.23.52 # then? 13.23.55 # reboot again? 13.23.58 # * dionoea doesn't know. I only tried it yesterday 13.23.59 # aLtair27: yes 13.24.26 # dionoea: I've not actually used it to do an install myself yet either 13.25.31 # * GodEater_ waits for the obligatory "it looks horrible" question from aLtair27 next. 13.26.29 # nls: have you measured any performance increase with the mem function wrappers in plugins? 13.27.21 # safetydan: no, not at all, I put them there to make the plugins link when building with -Os 13.27.41 # wohoooooooo 13.27.50 # thanks to GodEater 13.27.52 # haha 13.27.54 # =) 13.28.04 # safetydan: The problem with using the plugin lib is that you need to ensure the rb struct exists and is initialised before the mem* functions could be used. 13.28.21 Quit spiorf (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 13.28.31 # linuxstb: true 13.28.48 # now i should still use iTunes for video and music transfer? 13.28.59 # JdGordon: ping 13.29.02 # aLtair27: you can still use iTunes for music 13.29.06 # nls: so you're saying those are necessary for gcc to actually link the plugins with -Os? 13.29.12 # and for video? 13.29.18 # aLtair27: rockbox doesn't play back the videos that iTunes supports 13.29.41 # aLtair27: if you wish to watch videos in rockbox, you will need to read the PluginMpegPlayer wiki page 13.29.54 # or reboot to Apple's OS 13.29.55 # safetydan: yes, LD throws an "undefined reference blahblah" thing otherwise 13.30.06 # aLtair27: although I personally don't recommend it - the iPod Video is (ironically) the worst performing video target we have 13.30.12 # so means i cant play video w/ rockbox?? 13.30.22 # aLtair27: so I'd do as dionoea says, and watch them from apple os 13.30.35 # aLtair27: you *can*, you'll just have to do some work to make it happen 13.30.50 # aLtair27: and don't expect them to run as fast as they do when you're running apple os 13.31.29 # ohhh.. 13.31.31 # ic.. 13.31.42 # but if i install linux in my iPod 13.31.47 # aLtair27: for that matter, I Don't *recommend* using iTunes for anything. I don't personally. 13.31.56 # it's posible if i have 2 operating system in my iPod right? 13.31.56 # aLtair27: won't make a slight bit of difference 13.32.09 # so what should i use? 13.32.11 # aLtair27: if you install linux as well, you'll have THREE 13.32.29 # I'd just copy the files over using windows explorer myself 13.33.15 # but stick to iTunes if you plan to dual boot into the apple firmware 13.33.17 # aLtair27: This page may answer some of your questions - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ 13.33.17 # it's up to you 13.33.26 # nls: interesting, it links fine here without those functions 13.34.00 # safetydan: did you rerun configure? 13.34.38 # * safetydan looks embarrassed 13.34.46 # that'll be a "no" then 13.34.47 # :) 13.34.49 # nls: apparently no 13.35.18 # hrm, does the sansa have an rtc? 13.35.21 # safetydan: gcc expects the environment to always provide 4 functions: memcpy, memset, memmove and memcmp. This is documented 13.35.48 # Linking might fail if these functions aren't provided, independent of -O level 13.35.50 # safetydan: ok, I have it working with mem_function_wrappers.[ch] in the plugin lib 13.36.11 # amiconn: yes but why would going from -O to -Os break things? 13.36.25 # safetydan: because gcc will prioritise using mem* over inlining 13.36.25 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host81-217-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 13.36.38 # preglow: ah okay 13.37.16 # newer gccs have even more heuristics on this point, and will choose between several techniques 13.37.39 # but it will always be a problem, i don't think there's anyway to disable using mem* 13.37.41 # How is Coldfire on GCC 4.x? 13.37.44 # any way 13.38.02 # preglow, amiconn: any objections to adding the wrappers to the plugin lib? 13.38.39 Join Matteo_M [0] (n=matteoma@81-208-36-83.ip.fastwebnet.it) 13.38.47 # hi there 13.39.13 # I'm having somo troubles installing rockbox on a h320 using OSX 13.39.24 # I'm not able to patch the firmware 13.39.34 # how? 13.39.43 # nls: can't think of any good objections, no, the alternative is modifying code for each occurence 13.39.53 # ah right, OSX 13.40.02 # I read the manual but since I'm not a command line ninja I don't understand how to get it 13.40.16 # Matteo_M: did you try using rbutil? 13.40.20 # haha - command line ninja, that's a good one 13.40.52 # dionoea, no. tell me 13.41.03 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility 13.41.23 # it's even got a dmg! 13.41.55 # yes I'm downloading 13.42.00 # dionoea: which is out of date ! 13.42.01 # I hope it works 13.42.16 # GodEater_: yeah ... hopefully that doesn't matter :) 13.42.29 Quit XavierGr () 13.42.30 # I didn't know rbutil did the firmware patching too 13.42.43 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp222-144.adsl.forthnet.gr) 13.43.01 # maybe it doesn't ... but maybe it does :) 13.43.08 # I think that it does for iPods 13.43.22 # It includes the fwpatcher code, so should do it. 13.43.37 # I don't think that's been tested on a Mac yet though... 13.43.53 # godeaterrrr 13.44.02 # aLtair27: yeeeeeeeeees? 13.44.10 # XD 13.44.28 Quit spiorf ("Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)") 13.44.30 # it seams to work, dionea 13.44.36 # my computer dont disconect my iPod i just copied a song to it directly 13.44.37 # nice :) 13.45.07 # aLtair27: you should have an "eject hardware" icon in the system tray to get it to disconnect it 13.45.24 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 13.45.35 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjorn@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 13.45.52 # The Device cannot be removed right now 13.45.52 # Xd 13.46.00 # please try again later 13.46.01 # errr 13.46.05 # aLtair27: try again, it does that to me sometimes 13.46.09 # second try usually does 13.46.27 # are you using any of the files on the device with some program ? 13.46.37 # actually it's my 3rd XD 13.47.00 # aLtair27: make sure you've closed all the explorer windows that are looking at it 13.47.20 # aLtair27: and also make sure you've shut down the iPod/iTunes services 13.47.54 # yeah right your good just ended it's process at task manager XD 13.48.53 # so im going to themes section now 13.48.56 # :) 13.50.02 Quit safetydan (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.50.12 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 13.51.57 # aLtair27: it's probably worth you having a look at rbutil too (see the link above) it does theme installation too (although not all of them work like this) 13.53.28 # austriancoder: pong 13.53.48 # bounced on the side of the table.. austriancoder coder mises... JdGordon wins 22:20 :D 13.54.10 # JdGordon: pang 13.54.45 # dionoea, it doesn't work 13.54.54 # JdGordon: could you help me with some irq stuff? 13.54.54 # :D 13.55.01 # or maybe I've doen it wrong 13.55.14 # austriancoder: I can try 13.55.19 # It loaded the original firmware without patching it 13.55.53 # I can't help you more since i don't know the specifics for your target :) Someone else here might 13.56.31 # Matteo_M: is the hex file the same size as an unpatched one? 13.57.43 # JdGordon: I want an interrupt for GPIOB port pin 4 (USB Connect) - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortPinAssignments#e200_GPIO - I tried it this way: http://rafb.net/p/57VIpC47.html ... the problem.. in a logf build the usb_irq is only called when wheel moves.. 13.58.13 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.dsl.t-2.net) 13.59.45 # godeater i can get themes from ipodwizard.net right? 14.00.00 # aLtair27: I wouldn't have thought so - but perhaps ? 14.00.25 # austriancoder: you dont have the irq reenabling stuff in the usb irq 14.00.44 # the _INT_LEV and _INT_CLR lines 14.00.56 # does the sansa have an rtc? 14.01.02 # preglow: yes 14.01.06 # wootness 14.01.23 # JdGordon: hmmm.. okay.. will try it 14.02.05 # austriancoder: standard pcf deal, or? 14.02.25 # pcf? 14.02.27 # * aLtair27 slaps GodEater_ around a bit with a large trout 14.02.34 # wa 14.02.35 # xD 14.02.46 # austriancoder: the chip that does rtc and power management in the ipod. i'm not too familiar with the sansa internals 14.03.11 # preglow: as3514 does audio, power and rtc 14.03.15 # ahh, right 14.03.16 # in sansa 14.03.57 # JdGordon: does this look okay? 14.03.59 # /* reenable irq */ GPIOB_INT_LEV = (GPIOB_INT_LEV & ~0x10); GPIOB_INT_CLR = GPIOB_INT_STAT & 0x10; 14.04.45 # not sure... I copied it straight from the button irq handler... 14.06.02 # the _CLR part is wrong though I tinhk 14.06.15 # sorry.. 14.06.16 # hmm... 14.07.32 # yeah, that might be right.. as long as the irq is only for when the bit goes high (i think) 14.09.13 Quit Matteo_M ("This computer has gone to sleep") 14.11.20 # godeater how can i put themes in my rockbox iPod i can put it directly or should i use iPodWizard?? 14.17.02 # austriancoder: wasnt 7138 commited? 14.17.07 # sholdnt it be closed?. 14.17.54 # anybody can teach me to put a theme in rockbox? 14.17.56 # JdGordon: i have commited only a little part of the whole.. so stay it as open.. 14.18.00 # oh ok 14.18.02 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484A985.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.22.35 Quit GodEater_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 14.25.45 # aLtair27: use rbutil or just unzip the theme on your player and then 'Browse Theme' on your player 14.28.16 # wow 14.28.19 # thanks! 14.34.14 # anyone here again? how to have different OS in my Pod? 14.34.23 # is it just the iPodLoader i need? 14.35.16 Join GodEater_ [0] (n=bryan@bb-87-80-121-64.ukonline.co.uk) 14.35.28 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 14.35.43 # bloody ssh connection 14.35.58 # * GodEater_ wonders if there was any more git based discussion he's missed in the last few days 14.36.40 # godeater! 14.36.42 # haha 14.37.18 # how to install iPodLoader? 14.37.41 # sorry i really need a guide cuz sometimes i dont understand the english in some guides XD 14.38.24 # aLtair27: if you're talking about iPodLinux, then I have no idea - you'll have to ask in #ipodlinux 14.39.47 # take a look at this 14.39.48 # http://www.ipodwizard.net/showthread.php?t=23359 14.40.04 # still about rockbox 14.40.27 # the first picture 14.40.52 # yes, the first picture is not a rockbox product 14.40.58 # it's an iPodLinux product 14.41.02 # does the current recording code do any error checking on the filename it tries to write to? 14.41.03 # which we do not support here 14.41.17 # ohhh... 14.41.21 # i see.. 14.42.23 # none of the people in this channel see a point in a bootloader which displays a menu 14.44.23 # JdGordon: I don't think so 14.47.56 # ok, thats what I was afraid of 14.48.03 # * JdGordon adding very very siomple directory checking 14.50.35 # well the call to the filesystem should/will fail 14.51.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.52.01 Quit austriancoder ("Kopete 0.12.4 : http://kopete.kde.org") 14.53.53 Join lee-qid_ [0] (n=liqid@p54965677.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.54.19 # petur: yeah, but the recording screen doesnt appear to actually make sure the file was created 14.55.06 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.56.01 # JdGordon: I think in the current code the file is only created on first spin-up (I could be wrong there though - check with jhMikeS) 14.57.25 # sounds about right, seen as it doesnt say "disk full" untill i press stop... 14.57.40 # im putting the folder check in when the rec screen in entered, instead 14.57.51 # so if it cant be created you cant record 15.01.20 # can someone please choose which of 6358 and 7222 to commit... both do the same thing - add proper filename checking to the fat driver.. and I think we need this bfore my recording dirs patch goes in 15.01.32 Join daurn [0] (i=daurn@203.49.180.141) 15.01.57 # LinusN: linuxstb: amiconn: B4gder: petur: anyone else:... ^ 15.05.45 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 15.05.48 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp222-144.adsl.forthnet.gr) 15.09.42 # petur: pixelma: new rec path patch ready.. wanna test? 15.10.27 # JdGordon: serious lack of time here, I can remember the delayed write was there to reduce spinups which in term delayed recording start, so beware what you're changing there 15.10.52 # * petur reminds JdGordon he's at work and should be doing just that 15.11.17 # bah, work... 15.11.22 # yea 15.11.27 # ;) 15.11.38 # it helps to pay the bills though 15.12.24 Quit daurnimator (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.12.39 # * JdGordon has no idea how to not check for the directory untill ready to write _and_ let the user know the directory isnt writable before they start 15.14.11 Quit aLtair27 () 15.14.26 # as long as you start recording before checking the file it should be ok. Previous code did it the other way around, so you could never enter the rec screen and start recording immediatly, so you missed several seconds if you were in a hurry 15.15.15 # ok, better do some rearranging then 15.16.20 # BUT I don't know how this all works since jhMikeS changed stuff around 15.16.48 # could well be there's already a spinup due to encoader loading 15.16.59 # *encoder 15.17.18 # ok, Ill ask him tomorow if i remember 15.17.21 # JdGordon: The main reason why file creation is delayed is to allow (short) mic recordings without spinup noise on hdd targets 15.17.31 # So this has to stray 15.17.42 # ah yes, that too 15.18.35 # Then how can you say you want it to abort instead of write to / (if there is enough disk space) in the event it cant write to the user directory? 15.18.41 # And directory doesn't need to be checked with svn because either you selected /recordings, in which case the code tries to create it and if it fails, exists the recording screen or you selected current_dir, which always exists for obvious reasons 15.26.42 Quit idnar (Nick collision from services.) 15.26.45 Join idnar_ [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 15.28.03 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B14203.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.33.29 Quit XavierGr () 15.35.53 # hmmm, if I add memcpy and memset wrappers to the pluginlib, the linker will link all plugins against them but the plugins need to call an init function to set the api pointer correctly for the mem* functions, if this call isn't in a plugin it will silently freeze when it tries to use one of the mem* functions... 15.36.48 # and the linker will not complain because it sees the mem* functions... 15.39.53 # and the real badness is because the compiler decides which plugins call these functions... 15.41.52 # maybe I should just put them in a macro and include that in every plugin that needs it... 15.42.03 # * nls keeps talking to himself ;-) 15.42.56 # * JdGordon just got a pm from an idiot who registered just 5 min ago askin for help 15.42.58 # ! 15.43.24 Join pseudo_ [0] (n=pseudo@ppp121-45-232-233.lns1.bne4.internode.on.net) 15.44.37 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.52.11 Quit printfXh4 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.53.44 Nick pseudo_ is now known as printfXh4 (n=pseudo@ppp121-45-232-233.lns1.bne4.internode.on.net) 15.56.12 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 16.00.57 Part LinusN 16.01.07 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.02.59 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@avc146.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 16.07.33 Quit JdGordon (Remote closed the connection) 16.24.49 Quit andrew_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.30.06 Join saratoga [0] (i=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-33608e5c08bf5eba) 16.32.19 Quit B4gder ("It is time to say MOOO") 16.38.35 # MEUH 16.40.42 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 16.42.41 # meow ;) 16.46.46 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust362.winn.cable.ntl.com) 16.47.18 Join pepie34 [0] (n=pepie34@cop60-1-82-240-26-92.fbx.proxad.net) 16.51.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.07.55 Join Rincewind [0] (i=qUeogSrs@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 17.12.59 Join saratoga-lol [0] (i=9803c50e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-28ef40e3a8a91396) 17.18.53 Quit saratoga-lol ("CGI:IRC") 17.21.05 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 17.34.59 Join Veinor [0] (n=Veinor@wikipedia/Veinor) 17.35.37 # I installed rockbox on my video iPod, and it froze; is there any way to force a reset? 17.35.50 # hold menu and select 17.35.54 # until it reboots 17.36.10 # ah, there we go. guess I wasn't holding it long enough. 17.36.22 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@219.27.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 17.36.30 Join joa [0] (n=joe@host86-153-153-3.range86-153.btcentralplus.com) 17.41.18 Join Arathis_ [0] (n=doerk@p54848626.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.41.30 # ok, now I'm having issues with playlists 17.41.56 # Veinor: have you read the stuff about playlists in the manual? 17.44.02 # it's... less than helpful. 17.44.23 # Veinor: well, then how should it be improved? 17.44.33 Nick idnar_ is now known as idnar (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 17.46.15 # ah, never mind, misread it. 17.51.18 # hmm. it's not seeing the playlists that I already had. 17.52.29 # also, when i go to 'view current playlist', I get file names like kpod0769573 17.52.56 # I keep misreading that manual too :P 17.53.40 Join tedrock [0] (n=tedrock@d235-159-230.home1.cgocable.net) 17.53.48 # I can't get Amarok to send playlists to it :-/ 17.54.07 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 17.54.56 # is there any way to do so? 17.55.47 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@cpe-70-113-91-140.austin.res.rr.com) 17.56.22 # *poke* 17.56.47 # Rockbox uses simple m3u playlists 17.57.08 Quit Arathis (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.57.38 # yes, and amarok can export them; so would I need to just export them to the /Playlists folder? 17.57.56 # to any folder 17.58.56 # the other thing that I'm noticing is that if I go to 'view current playlist', I get names like 'kpod' and then a bunch of numbers 17.59.00 # and then you just play them by selecting the playlist file in the file view 17.59.11 # right. 17.59.47 # is there any way to change the thing that displays in 'view current playlist', or is that a bug, or what? 18.00.17 # ah, that appears to be the filename. 18.01.18 # where exactly do i look up error codes? everytime i pause a song i get a Data abort at 0002F72C 18.01.30 Join Llorea1 [0] (n=llorean@cpe-70-113-91-140.austin.res.rr.com) 18.01.42 # I doubt that this is an error code. Looks like an address in memory to me 18.01.42 Quit Llorean (Nick collision from services.) 18.01.45 Nick Llorea1 is now known as Llorean (n=llorean@cpe-70-113-91-140.austin.res.rr.com) 18.01.49 # oh i guess that makes sense 18.01.52 # it is 18.02.00 Quit pepie34 ("Ex-Chat") 18.02.01 # so maybe restore and then reinstall 18.02.35 # tedrock: using a recent bootloader and rockbox version, or upgraded one of them recently? And what ipod? 18.03.13 # 30g ipod video i downloaded and installed it all yesterday. i think it occured when i went from a recent version of rockbox to a daily version 18.03.26 # i tried to go back to the earlier verion which may not have helped the issue 18.03.47 # * petur summons ipod support 18.03.52 # ha 18.03.53 # works fine here :) 18.04.05 # are you using one of the unofficial builds ? 18.04.24 # nope. right from rockbox.org i tried yesterdays daily build 18.04.48 # * dionoea tries pausing 18.05.04 # figured that was maybe what caused it so i went back to the current build 18.05.05 # no data abort :( 18.05.42 # * dionoea doesn't know if that kind of bug can be codec specific 18.06.16 # i'm just trying it for the first time. i'm liking the idea and getting used to the whole thing. pretty sure i might keep using it after i work this out 18.07.02 Part TrueJournals 18.07.14 # tedrock: When did you first install, or last update, your bootloader? 18.07.21 # yesterday 18.07.40 # And which iPod? 18.07.47 # * Llorean hasn't been in the room for the whole conversation 18.07.53 # 30g ipod video 18.07.57 # 2nd gen 18.08.10 # the funny thing is i do tech support for apple :P 18.08.34 # And what kind of message are you getting? 18.08.40 # data abort 18.08.44 # Hm 18.08.46 # when i pause a song 18.09.07 # actually it also seems to happen when i'm playing and i feel the hard drive spin up 18.09.11 # Your best bet is to just post that to the patch tracker, with the address of the data abort. 18.09.19 # patch/bug tracker, rather 18.09.25 # got a link? :D 18.09.33 # It's the "bug" link on the left side of every page of the website 18.09.35 Quit lee-qid_ ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 18.09.45 # alright cool thanks 18.09.55 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54965677.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.10.16 # so if i were to reinstall would it be just delete .rockbox and put a new one on? do i need to run the bootloader again? 18.10.21 # The new code for the 80gb seems to not be 100% reliable, and your problem *might* relate to that 18.10.32 # anyone notice that on the newer sansas, the scrollwheel doesn't come off? 18.10.40 # You don't need to run the bootloader install again, but it's highly unlikely that a reinstall will change anything. 18.11.14 # i wish they made installing themes easier. 18.11.49 # Properly formatted themes are pretty easy to install. 18.11.58 # You just extract a zip, and point your extraction tool at the drive that is your player 18.12.15 # Or use RBUtil, which has a nice, easy graphical interface, to pick the themes you want, and it'll do it for you. 18.12.41 # see i did that for some and it just put a folder on the ipod with the theme name. but it probably wasn't properly formatted 18.13.43 # Since it's a wiki, it's hard for anyone to enforce proper formatting of the archive. But you could also try http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility 18.13.54 # what should i call my ipod on the report to make it easier for people to understand what i have. i see ipod3g and stuff like that 18.14.52 # you folks are extremely helpful i thank you 18.16.22 # You have a 5G 18.16.43 # ok so that's all they need to know 18.16.44 # But in the report, mention that it's a 5.5G 30GB (5.5G is the common name around here for the Late 2006 model iPod Videos) 18.16.54 # yah i saw that somewhere 18.17.44 # Right now, if I go to 'view current playlist', I just get 'kpod' and then a bunch of numbers; is there a way to configure it to use the song title instead of the filename? 18.18.05 Join webguest35 [0] (i=d9844f08@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1c7239add1e4d4f8) 18.18.11 # Veinor: Not at this time, no 18.18.17 Quit webguest35 (Client Quit) 18.18.19 # An M3U playlist is simply a list of filenames. 18.18.37 Join webguest52 [0] (i=d9844f08@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a5e93dc0b648412f) 18.19.18 # I believe there's a patch that makes use of the database to do it though 18.19.58 # oh? 18.21.24 # Yeah, in the patch tracker somewhere. I've seen mention of it somewhere. 18.22.32 # hello 18.23.51 Join steveire [0] (n=stephen@89.100.40.115) 18.23.56 # gf 18.23.59 # j 18.24.03 # Hey. 18.24.26 # Ho. 18.24.31 # Let's 18.24.49 # Can I ask why the latest official builds don't support album art? I'm looking for a few themes, and they seem to require unofficial builds. 18.25.23 # sure 18.25.40 # Also, I don't know if any developers are around, but rockbox is incredible. I just got an iAudio, and there's no way I could have used the firmware that it came with. 18.26.40 # the albumart is not implemented the way we want it so the patch is not accepted. But it is part of a google summer of code project to do it right 18.27.51 # petur: Great. Is there any plan to implement a 'play random track' or 'play random album feature'? 18.28.42 # I think rockbox has random playback features (I've never used them) 18.29.06 Quit webguest52 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 18.29.10 # Random track is easy enough - just make your playlist and shufle it, or run with shuffle mode enabled. 18.29.16 # Rockbox has both "shuffle tracks" and "shuffle albums" 18.29.24 # Though shuffling the albums requires launching a plugin to configure the feature. 18.29.38 Join Guile` [0] (n=Guile@84.6.61.172) 18.29.43 # Well, not really "shuffle albums" so much as "shuffle folders" if I recall 18.29.59 # But if your filetree is suitable sorted, it works, I hear. 18.30.01 # I've never used it. 18.30.59 # Llorean: Sounds like something I might try to do myself. Do you know what plugin does it? 18.31.25 # It's name pretty much tells you what it is, but I can't remember the exact name 18.31.31 # It's like "Random_folder_advance" or something 18.31.42 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginRandomFolderAdvanceConfig 18.32.55 Join Malpine [0] (n=chatzill@64.252.2.179) 18.34.50 # I can't get Amarok to interact properly with rockbox; if I try to send a playlist, it says the playlist uses nonexistent files 18.34.57 Quit lost|X40 ("Leaving") 18.35.10 Quit obo ("KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/") 18.35.37 Join Jeton [0] (n=chatzill@85.30.71.69) 18.36.39 # Veinor: That's really an Amarok problem... 18.36.55 # Llorean: true. 18.37.18 # I was just wondering if anybody here uses amarok as well and knows what to do. 18.37.36 # A lot of people here don't really use a management program 18.37.37 Join webguest52 [0] (i=d9844f08@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-28de0d26d5b58710) 18.38.05 Quit webguest52 (Client Quit) 18.38.38 # ok. 18.40.05 # Veinor, maybe amarok uses absolute filepath in the playlists? there is an option in the config for that at least 18.40.13 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-066-057-231-236.nc.res.rr.com) 18.40.37 # afaik, it seems to be creating them on the basis of their location on my hd 18.40.46 Nick otih_ is now known as otih (n=otih@p54A4DE56.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.40.49 # is it possible to have a patch/plugin for Sansa so that when you for example hold the Select button and you rotate the scrollwheeel, to have the function of fast forwarding a song? 18.41.09 # dionoea: yep, got it working (sorry for answering this late) - wanna try/have a patch? 18.42.07 # Jeton: sounds possible 18.42.55 # I've installed the icon pack from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IconSets, but all icons I try look squashed. How do I change the line spacing> 18.43.04 # And shouldn't it be automatic? 18.43.28 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 18.43.34 # actually the whole concept is from the OF, you select "Scroll thorough this song" and the scrollwheel does just that. 18.43.44 # I'm filing a feature request ;) 18.45.38 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host81-217-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 18.47.00 # Jeton: Why isn't the existing fast forward sufficient? 18.48.12 # it is, especially it's good that you can configure the "speed" of the fast forwarding. But i just thought that a patch would simply complement the function of the scrollwheel. 18.51.21 Join webguest31 [0] (i=d9844f08@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-dba74af386fd8a45) 18.51.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.52.15 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6800 (the LCD fade ) was synced to SVN, but it doesn't work on Sansa. 18.52.27 # I've chosen the tango theme, which makes my fonts bigger neccessarily. That's fine, but it messes up the 'now playing' screen. Can you recommend a 'now playing' theme to use with tango? Currently I use zezayer. 18.53.53 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 18.53.57 # Jeton: It was synced in May 18.54.03 # the patch is well out of date again. 18.54.13 # hey, wiil rockbox play wma soon? 18.54.14 # And "synced" just means that patch version is "up to date" 18.54.20 # webguest31: probably 18.54.44 # saratoga is working on it 18.54.46 # ok. 18.57.08 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.57.46 # webguest31: are your files DRM protected? 18.59.18 Quit webguest31 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 18.59.51 # What font/theme/icons combination do you guys use? 18.59.59 # later people 19.00.04 Quit Jeton ("OFF") 19.00.56 # saratoga: I use "Rockboxed" but I'm also colour blind :) 19.01.13 Part Llorean 19.01.50 # is this where i brag about getting my one WMA file to decode correctly in int? 19.02.35 # :) 19.02.45 # the others don't decode correctly? 19.03.22 # what's next on your todo? malloc stuff? 19.03.23 # i'm 99% sure any low bitrate files won't decode correctly, since they use all sorts of special features i haven't figured out how to test 19.03.35 # but 128k and above stuff looks ok 19.04.02 # yeah the malloc needs to go, but thats not hard, it only uses it a few times, and theres no need for any of it since all the sizes are hard coded 19.05.00 # the only use I would have for WMA would be to record and playback some online radio stream, that would be low bitrate usually. 19.05.51 # and after that the first try at turning it into a rockbox codec? 19.06.36 Quit Malpine ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]") 19.07.08 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@cpe-70-113-91-140.austin.res.rr.com) 19.08.09 Join haemmy [0] (i=stefan@194.208.162.140) 19.08.19 # I wonder if it will playback realtime on the gigabeat 19.08.37 # Arggh. I can't get nice icons and a nice theme. Is there a way to have a font size for menu and a separate font size for the 'now playing' section? 19.09.33 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@84.177.66.3) 19.10.16 Join pepie34 [0] (n=pepie34@cop60-1-82-240-26-92.fbx.proxad.net) 19.10.28 # steveire: currently not 19.11.47 # markun: I might have to edit the theme I want to use? The problem is with larger fonts, there's too much space between lines, and the 'next track' section falls off. 19.14.47 # yes, you need to edit it to be usable with a different font 19.15.11 Join jac0b [0] (n=jac0b@gifn3.fpl.com) 19.15.18 # If you use non standard fonts, can you tell me what theme you use? 19.15.33 # sorry, non-standard icons, not fonts markun 19.16.00 # I use the "Rockboxed" theme with the default font 19.16.07 # I have noticed in the last 2 builds that the bookmark feature doesn't work on the sansa 19.16.11 # nimbus-14 I think 19.16.32 # markun: Which icons? 19.16.42 # let me check 19.16.49 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 19.17.09 # has anyone had a problem with the bookmark feature on any other builds? 19.17.35 # Oh, I see that doesn't display the next track. I like that feature. 19.18.14 # steveire: Tango 20x16x16 19.18.45 Join andrew_ [0] (n=andrew@stjhnf0124w-142162091238.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) 19.20.14 # I like tango, and the zezayer theme. But no font fits both. I think a more integrated theming system should be available to care for fonts/icons/theme. 19.21.15 Join webguest31 [0] (i=d9844f08@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-69f04d3873b59067) 19.21.26 # if you want it bad enough.. get programming :) 19.22.05 Join lyakh [0] (n=lyakh@dynamic-unidsl-85-197-31-110.westend.de) 19.22.26 Join Buschel [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3DB18.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.22.56 # markun: Seems that'll be neccessary. I find it odd though that rockbox can look so much better than it does by default in each of the three categories, but I can't get a combination that works. 19.22.58 # hellodoes rockbox sill play wma soon? 19.23.23 # 18:54 < markun> webguest31: probably 19.23.23 # 18:54 < markun> saratoga is working on it 19.23.59 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 19.24.09 # 18:57 < markun> webguest31: are your files DRM protected? 19.26.40 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp222-144.adsl.forthnet.gr) 19.28.16 Quit webguest31 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 19.29.23 # markun: I want to get a version working on rockbox this week if at all possible 19.29.39 # no idea what that will involve, but i need to so i can start benchmarking and see how slow the codec really is 19.31.00 Quit Buschel (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.31.07 Join Psilonaut [0] (i=DaPhunka@186.201-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) 19.32.19 # are there tools to remove the DRM protection from WMA files? 19.32.40 # tunebite 19.32.55 # .. for people who bought music online for their Gigabeat and will not be able to play their music in rockbox 19.32.58 # jac0b: thanks 19.33.45 # jac0b: although it's not exactly what I was hoping for 19.33.56 Nick DiDjCodt_ is now known as DiDjCodt (n=djc@poy.chewa.net) 19.34.28 # its easier to rip apple drm that wma drm 19.35.30 # saratoga: Step one: put the right stuff in iram (important for coldfire at least). (Maybe you knew that already.) 19.37.01 # markun: you can also burn a fake audio CD if you have a virtual drive 19.37.24 # jac0b: I'm not really interested in transcoding 19.37.29 # for that we don't need wma playback 19.37.41 # just remove the DRM protection 19.38.21 # * amiconn wonders why so many people buy drm encumbered music 19.38.39 # * markun wonders if there are really that many people doing that 19.39.25 # There must be enough... otherwise those online music stores couldn't survive 19.39.45 Join ptw419 [0] (i=ptw419@216-188-249-122.dyn.grandenetworks.net) 19.39.46 Join Buschel [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3DB18.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.39.46 # I mean, one such track costs ~1EUR in average here 19.40.14 # But it's limited in how I can use it _and_ encoded lossy 19.40.45 # 1 billion tracks can't be wrong? :) 19.40.46 # If I buy the CD, I pay roughly the same, but I get full quality, and a physical backup at the same time 19.41.22 # And I can use it the way I want, as long as it's for private use 19.42.15 # Yes, but you need to fuss about getting it on your computer/DPA. Not hard, but some don't want that. And they can buy just the tracks they want. 19.42.32 # they should just make CD's cheaper and maybe people will buy them 19.42.40 # DPA/DAP 19.44.27 # Imho CDs are quite cheap, unlike those crippled tracks from online stores 19.45.26 # * amiconn will never buy those non-CDs with "copy protection" though 19.46.17 # no way CD's are cheap when I first started buying CD's they were $7-10 now they are close to $20 19.46.24 # i usually borrow them in the library, then apply a bit of permanent marker (if it hasn't been applied yet) 19.51.34 # pixelma: sure, i'd love to try a patch 19.53.00 Quit pondlife (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 19.59.22 # jac0b: I think this is what I was looking for: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=114916 20.00.35 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.02.37 # markun: I couldn't that one to work for me 20.02.59 # * GodEater tries to work out what the permanent marker does 20.04.48 # * petur sees the tool is written with WTL, the lean and mean gui template lib that MS wrote but never supported 20.07.08 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 20.10.18 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul) 20.11.49 # has anyone got the bookmark feature working on their player?\ 20.11.58 Quit Nibbier (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.16.05 # wow when mine crashes it kills the usb port on my mac i'm using. fancy 20.17.20 # tedrock: I believe linuxstb has experienced that too 20.17.37 # some vagary of the OSX platform it seems 20.17.57 # meh. i was just messin around with it at work. i got a list of errors i gotta put on the bug tracker 20.18.19 # A list? 20.18.33 # yep. i got more error codes in addiontion to the one i was gettign earlier 20.18.46 # undefined instructions and other things 20.19.26 Quit Psilonaut (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.19.43 Join Psilonaut [0] (i=DaPhunka@151.175-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) 20.19.50 # quick question. if you go the LCD backlight settigns it has a thing where it says when plugged in. if i set that to ON it should be staying on when i have it connected to USB right. or am i confused 20.20.36 # Currently, USB doesn't register as "plugged in" for some reason 20.20.48 # ah. then that would explain it 20.21.37 # i am pretty impressed so don't worry i won't be giving up anytime soon. i just gotta stop using itunes to sync it so i can make my own play list and stuf fi guess 20.21.51 # OH YAH i can't get video to play. is that bugged right now too? 20.22.08 # Wall chargers that use USB (not firewire) are, afaik the only iPod chargers currently that register as "plugged in" 20.22.27 # Are you following our instructions for playing video, or just trying to play iTunes/MP4 videos? 20.22.38 # latter :D 20.22.52 # Well, those aren't supported at all. 20.23.00 # * petur dumps the manual on tedrock 20.23.02 # We can't use the Broadcom chip, and the main core is far, far, far too slow to decode H.264 20.23.51 Join spiorf_ [0] (n=spiorf@host213-217-dynamic.0-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 20.25.36 # hrmm having an issue finding anything about video in manual. i'll keep lookin 20.26.25 # well i just learned about the OPEN WITH option. good to know 20.26.28 # See the plugins section. 20.26.32 # PluginMpegplayer 20.26.41 # Which is actually in the viewers category of the plugins section I believe. 20.26.57 # There's also a wiki page of the same name which goes into more depth, and has links to some programs for converting your own videos. 20.27.08 # ON the iPod Video though, you're best using the original video support rather than ours 20.27.16 Quit spiorf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.27.33 # i remember something i read on the wiki yesterday and now i can't find it 20.27.45 Join webguest22 [0] (i=484dd4e4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f2c28678851b53fb) 20.27.57 # Llorean: re that theme thread - should we perhaps arrange for rockbox to clear down the menu backdrop when applying a new theme ? 20.28.13 Quit webguest22 (Client Quit) 20.28.14 # or is that overkill ? 20.28.15 # GodEater: Absolutely not. 20.28.16 # something that said about viewer plugins not needing to be selected and they load on demand or something around those lines 20.28.29 Part TrueJournals 20.28.42 # GodEater: If there's no Backdrop: line in the .cfg, nothing should change. If there's a Backdrop: line that's blank after, it should clear the backdrop 20.29.12 # Things shouldn't change unless explicitly told to, but you should be able to explicitly clear it without setting it to something else. 20.29.28 # there i found it 20.29.36 # tedrock: Yes, viewers load when you click on a file they're supposed to handle. .mpeg and .mpg for MpegPlayer 20.29.42 # Llorean: I find that an odd stance to take :) 20.29.44 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 20.30.02 # so i guess i won't be playin my video podcasts with this :D 20.30.11 # GodEater: I have many themes that change the WPS and font, but I don't want them changing my backdrop. :-P 20.30.29 # then put the backdrop in those themes 20.30.34 # that seems a much better way to make them work 20.30.40 # Why? 20.30.51 # In *every* other .cfg line, if the line isn't present, the value isn't changed 20.31.05 # Themes are just ordinary .cfg files 20.31.05 # because then we avoid this particular issue with the user interface 20.31.09 # you gotta admit it's a PITA 20.31.15 # With the auto-reset, if an equalizer .cfg is loaded, it'd reset the backdrop 20.31.37 # I think make backdrop a special case 20.32.07 # Make it a special case *and* make the theme.cfg handler a special handler, AND figure out some way to load differentiate them when clicked on from the filetree so they're loaded with the special handler? 20.32.34 # lol - I can see I'm going to lose this discussion 20.32.38 # And have "Load config files" guess whether the missing backdrop line means "reset" or "no backdrop should be set" 20.32.48 # I'm just saying, how would you do it from a practical sense? 20.32.53 # firstly 20.33.16 # I'd only trigger the reset from when the cfg file is loaded from the "browse themes" menu 20.33.36 # and secondly, I wouldn't care if there was a backdrop line or not 20.33.38 # I'd ALWAYS clear it 20.33.40 # Then the same .cfg file causes different things when loaded from different screens. 20.33.53 # Which means it breaks the whole "a .cfg file is a .cfg file" philosophy 20.34.02 # fine, then lose the themes menu thing 20.34.18 # Every time *any* .cfg is loaded, reset the backdrop? 20.34.18 # oh no, that doesn't work either 20.34.27 # I'll think about it 20.34.33 # gimme a day or two :) 20.34.45 # I still think having a "Backrop: " line in a .cfg meaning "reset the backdrop" is good enough 20.34.56 # We already depend on the author not setting the font color to the same color as the background 20.34.58 # you're still relying on theme authors writing well behaved themes 20.35.10 # See above line. :-P 20.35.15 # We *have* to depend on them 20.35.23 # yes but in that case the author is consistent within his own theme 20.35.25 # If they wanted to they could load a backdrop that's black, with a black font. 20.35.26 # he's not hacv 20.35.32 # having to worry about someone else's 20.35.41 # So? 20.35.42 # i'm gonna make a theme soon. i'll follow your theme guildlines :D 20.35.49 # right - forget it 20.36.08 # We depend on theme authors to do a lot of things, is all. 20.37.15 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 20.37.30 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 20.37.33 Part Llorean 20.37.41 # * GodEater goes back to hacking his PS3 20.40.13 Quit My_Sic (Client Quit) 20.40.13 Part GodEater ("Leaving") 20.40.20 Join GodEater [0] (n=bryan@bb-87-80-121-64.ukonline.co.uk) 20.40.34 Quit jac0b ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]") 20.40.36 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 20.45.30 Nick Arathis_ is now known as Arathis (n=doerk@p54848626.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 20.46.13 Quit ptw419 () 20.47.18 Quit My_Sic (Success) 20.47.29 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 20.51.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.52.55 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 20.53.02 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 20.56.21 Quit Buschel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.56.52 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 20.57.09 Quit haemmy () 20.57.45 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@rockbox/administrator/Llorean) 20.59.05 Quit petur ("work->home") 20.59.10 # * GodEater prods at linuxstb 20.59.30 Join Buschel [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3DB18.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.04.57 Quit printfXh4 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.08.06 Join bluebrother [0] (i=pHZnxeID@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 21.08.46 # Llorean: why can I use only one simley in the forums? If I quote someone who already used a smiley I'm already out of smilies ... 21.10.06 # bluebrother: I'd earlier restricted it to 3, and for some reason I decided that was too many still. I'll set it back to 3. 21.10.22 # For the most part, I don't think smileys are really that useful for our forums, either way though. 21.12.00 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@pD9EB3C2D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.12.11 # bluebrother: link to them in IMG tags :P 21.13.47 Join dotnine [0] (n=Tim@adsl-71-147-54-245.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) 21.13.53 Part dotnine 21.14.34 # Do any of you guys use amarok 21.14.34 # ? 21.14.39 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.14.39 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 21.15.11 # I'd like to know whether to connect my iaudio as an ifp device or generic or what... 21.16.18 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 21.17.36 Quit andrew_ (Nick collision from services.) 21.17.39 Join andrew_ [0] (n=andrew@stjhnf0124w-142162091238.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) 21.17.47 Quit andrew_ (Nick collision from services.) 21.18.10 Quit idnar (Nick collision from services.) 21.18.13 Join idnar_ [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 21.18.14 # steveire: This isn't an Amarok support channel. You might try their documentation. 21.18.27 # Although I'd guess "generic" knowing absolutely nothing about the program at all. 21.22.46 Join andrew__2 [0] (n=andrew@stjhnf0124w-142162091238.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) 21.23.21 # steveire: as Rockbox doesn't depend on some special database or file organization you can use generic. Using something else should work too (but I haven't tried) 21.24.13 # bluebrother: It opens as generic alright, but that's a file browsing mode. I'd like music browsing mode, but it's definitely an amarok issue. 21.24.20 # Cheers. I'm away 21.24.38 # music browsing mode - initialize database in rockbox 21.24.52 # desowin: Huh? 21.25.21 # make amarok connect to the rockbox database? 21.25.31 # makes sense. I'll look into it later. 21.25.31 # there's no such thing yet 21.25.42 # desowin: But that's what you meant? 21.26.22 # settings->general->database->initialize now 21.26.57 # (in rockbox) 21.27.28 # desowin: Thanks. I'm off. 21.27.37 # but keeping files organised is best way 21.27.40 Quit steveire (Remote closed the connection) 21.28.22 Quit z35 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.30.52 Part TrueJournals 21.31.22 # does amarok understand the rockbox database then ? 21.33.16 # It's been suggested that someone add that, but I don't think anyone has 21.33.51 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=lostnihi@ppp-68-251-62-40.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) 21.34.23 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 21.34.44 Quit Rondom (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.35.41 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A970D8.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.36.52 Quit Guile` ("KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'") 21.46.20 Quit pepie34 ("Ex-Chat") 21.46.42 Join pepie34 [0] (n=pepie34@cop60-1-82-240-26-92.fbx.proxad.net) 21.47.58 Quit The-Compiler (Remote closed the connection) 21.48.27 # * Llorean sighs. 21.48.44 Quit lyakh (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.49.19 Join lyakh [0] (n=lyakh@dynamic-unidsl-85-197-31-110.westend.de) 21.54.59 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]") 21.58.22 Part maffe 21.58.40 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 22.01.48 Join Guile` [0] (n=Guile@84.6.61.172) 22.03.46 Join TofuSCHNITZEL [0] (n=tofuSCHN@M1147P022.adsl.highway.telekom.at) 22.04.08 Join SaLaD [0] (i=4a841a2a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-11a9448667bf3f8b) 22.04.54 # iv got a question about the sandisk sansa players 22.05.19 # ask away 22.06.25 # what does the "Sansa E200 series (the R models are not supported)" <---- mean? 22.06.37 # ... 22.06.42 # That the e200R series don't work, but the e200 do 22.07.12 # Basically, the "Rhapsody" versions do not work 22.07.23 Join mpeccorini [0] (n=mpeccori@mail1.theargusgroup.us) 22.07.33 # Do any of you think that Rockbox could eventualy become a media-centered distrobution of Linux? 22.07.43 # hm 22.08.12 # SaLaD: why rockbox become linux? 22.08.14 # whats special about the "Rhapsody" 22.08.17 # why would even 22.08.47 # Could it be anything else? 22.08.51 # anyone else havin issues with voice menus? 22.08.54 # TofuSCHNITZEL: we've written a lot about it both on the mi4/sansa pages and in the rockbox forums 22.09.00 # SaLaD: rockbox is not linux 22.09.02 # TofuSCHNITZEL: They have a different bootloader that prevents us from loading our own code until someone figures out a way past it. 22.09.08 # okok 22.09.34 # but do they look different? 22.09.46 # i bougt the sansa e280 with fmtuner 22.09.50 # Its so confusing when 4 conversations are going on... 22.09.57 # (german site) http://www.cyberport.at/item/2/0/0/80415/sandisk-mp3-player-sansa-e-280-8-gb-mit-fm-tuner.html 22.09.58 # or is voice menus not working right now? 22.10.02 # SaLaD: welcome to IRC :) 22.10.07 # TofuSCHNITZEL: they look the same, but the R models start with a Rhapsody logo and similar 22.10.21 # SaLaD: Rockbox is not Linux. That's about all that's been said to you. 22.10.42 # tedrock: They should be working. 22.11.02 # as i go through menus it says the wrong name for everything and says "X" after everything it says 22.11.10 # but with an fm tuner does not mean Rhapsody 22.11.11 # Could rockbox turn into something LIKE an OS, for a PC 22.11.17 # like when i got to dispaly settings it might say "Equalizer X" 22.11.24 # fm tuner means with fm tuner 22.11.34 # SaLaD: very unlikely, its not really geared for a full blown PC 22.11.51 # oko 22.11.54 # k 22.11.54 # SaLaD: the memory model would be most inefficient on a PC 22.12.15 # SaLaD: rockbox is both OS and app collection 22.12.16 # * GodEater tries to image coding out of a 1GB+ buffer 22.12.17 # tedrock: Are you sure that your Voice Files were made for the same build of Rockbox you have installed (or at least generated recently enough that the menus haven't changed)? 22.12.53 # hrmm no i am not sure. i just out a few from the main website. are those not current? 22.13.00 # k thx i was some kind of shocked cause i found a site where it sais Rhapsody and with fm tuner so i thought Rhapsody = with fm tuner 22.14.07 # and do u know how rockbox handles the microSD slot? 22.14.18 # tedrock: Most of them aren't. People have to contribute voice files to the main website, and they have to be redistributable. Many people seem to prefer hosting questionable ones offsite instead, so they aren't updated often. 22.16.07 # hrmm so i gotta find these up to date ones else where 22.16.07 # Does any body know the status of the H10 radio support? And why do all mp3 players with a Radio usualy only pick up FM? 22.16.21 # Llorean: just google rockbox voice might work eh? 22.16.31 # SaLaD: because they use fm tuner chips 22.16.48 # and does rockbox support the sansa fm tuner? 22.16.49 # probably because the world uses FM mostly 22.17.25 # What about my first question 22.18.52 # TofuSCHNITZEL: yes 22.22.46 # SaLaD: If it's not in the official version, you could check to see if there's a patch, and what the patch's status is. 22.22.52 # SaLaD: well, looking at the sources it doesn't seem there is support yet. 22.23.29 Quit _Veseliq_ (Remote closed the connection) 22.24.24 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 22.24.32 # hmm, looking at the SansaFAQ page I'm wondering if there really should be some summary of the buttons 22.24.44 Quit mpeccorini (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- In tests, 0x09 out of 0x0A l33t h4x0rz prefer it :)") 22.25.16 # cool thx guys 22.25.18 # If they dont get the radio on the H10 working........... 22.25.22 # ;) 22.25.23 Nick Doomed is now known as alienbiker99 (n=alienbik@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net) 22.25.26 # greez 22.25.29 # cu 22.25.39 # use real english words 22.25.55 Quit TofuSCHNITZEL ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]") 22.26.21 # TofuSCHNITZEL: Say ONLY what matters 22.26.31 # Never mind... 22.26.39 # rofl 22.26.43 # SaLaD: Rockbox is "we", not "they" ... 22.26.53 # " 22.27.06 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 22.27.17 # and I'm sure your fellow h10 owners will be happy when you join in and help making the fm work 22.28.33 # Who's helping to make the radio on the H10 work? :-D 22.28.47 # "I" Am not Rockbox though. And I cant do anything about the FM Radio IF I DONT EVEN KNOW IF IT IS BEING WORKED ON or IS POSSIBLE!!!!! 22.28.51 # (well, not that I'm helping... but I'm hoping someone will get it working) 22.29.02 # easy SaLaD no need to shout 22.29.16 # SaLaD: you learn 22.29.16 # i am a follower, not a leader 22.29.45 # SaLaD: That's a choice you make. 22.29.45 # there are no "leaders" as such here 22.29.48 # just contributors 22.29.54 # If you're not willing to contribute, you don't have to. 22.30.00 # odd. i just unplugged my headphones. the theme shows it's paused yet the progress bar and counter is still going 22.30.06 # But if nobody contributes, it's pretty obvious exactly how far Radio support will get. 22.30.33 # Well I am not one of the contributers either ;) 22.30.36 # Llorean: i fixed issues i having before with the utility you told me about :D 22.31.04 # SaLaD: EVERYONE is a potential contributor. 22.31.20 # SaLaD: Barry Wardell, the leader of the H10 port, did a lot of working trying to get the radio working, but never quite got it... http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FmTunerProject 22.31.24 # I would give 1000 USD to anyone who gets the radio working 22.31.43 # tedrock: known issue - see FS#7257 and 7261 22.31.43 # SaLaD: Please, if you're not willing to work on it, be quiet about it. 22.31.56 # obo: it did it once. doesnt' seem to be happening again 22.32.13 # SaLaD: I believe Barry once started the work on it but had problems and never got anywhere "real" 22.32.28 # oh 22.32.32 # * Bagder is an echo 22.32.36 # ;-) 22.32.43 # * Bagder stands in the corner 22.32.53 # hey, I was here first 22.32.57 # quit shovin 22.32.59 # ;) 22.33.07 # darn, this is one crowded corner! 22.33.11 # tedrock: only happens if you unplug whilst paused, and you have rewind on unplug enabled 22.33.59 # ahh 22.34.00 Quit SaLaD ("CGI:IRC") 22.34.05 Join SaLaD [0] (i=4a841a2a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-24b2eb72465c0e94) 22.34.14 # i actually disabled the rewind thing so that's probably why i did not happen again 22.34.35 # im so happy i fixed the crashing. 22.34.45 # it also happens if you rewind/ff using the buttons while it is paused 22.35.06 # i also just got voice menus to work... then disabled it. gets annoying after 5 minutes of using it :P 22.35.35 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.197.94) 22.35.51 # tedrock: I'm sure our visually impaired users won't agree ;) 22.36.07 # i shall poke my eyes and see... err hear 22.36.36 # tedrock: maybe just closing the eyes for a test would be sufficient ... ;-) 22.36.48 # but then i might cheat 22.37.07 # I didnt know he was working on it. I couldn't find any information on it before. How hard is it to get the code to get power to a certain chip? 22.38.32 # I doubt powering it is the problem 22.38.44 # this can't read PDFs or HTML files can it...? 22.38.44 # read the page 22.38.47 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.38.51 # then i coudl read the manual on my ipod 22.39.13 # Bagder: According to Barry, getting power to the device actually was the problem... 22.39.36 # Aha!!! 22.39.38 # seems odd to me 22.39.46 # told you 22.40.02 # http://www.google.com/notebook/public/06228508744049394636/BDRKOIgoQj7STsJUi 22.40.31 # I guess disassembly is what it takes 22.40.56 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B15037.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.40.58 Join ducbian [0] (n=Nick@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust33.cmbg.cable.ntl.com) 22.41.23 # Who Voluntieers Their H10 ;) 22.41.54 # you... there's your chance to contribute ;) 22.42.11 # SaLaD: Disassembly refers to a process you put the original firmware through, not the player. It's tracking what the original firmware does. 22.42.19 Nick idnar_ is now known as idnar (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 22.42.36 # Hasn't the H10 firmware been dissassembled? 22.43.03 # parts of it certainly 22.43.21 # Llorean: i even fixex my issue where it was turning off the LCD while plugged in. thank you again for suggesting the utility 22.44.31 # is there any problens with "Dissassembling" it ALL the way? 22.44.38 Join Bizzeh [0] (n=killallt@xbmc/staff/bizzeh) 22.44.59 # well, just converting to assembly isn't 22.45.12 # but understanding it and using it for something is quite some work 22.45.22 # And 99% of the code is just going to be pointless buffering stuff, and codecs, and other things we have no interest in anyway 22.46.00 # well that 1% is probly what we need 22.46.05 # So... pretty much somebody who knows assembly needs to go through the whole thing and figure out what has to do with the radio, and what doesn't... 22.46.38 # TrueJournals: Yup. 22.47.09 # Well, good luck with that :-p 22.47.15 # Or get the ARM emulator working for H10, and use it. 22.47.28 # hey, JUST this second found out about rockbox from #reactos looks pretty cool. are there any plays for mpeg4 video and/or the avi/mp4 containers? 22.47.32 # yeah, that's in fact a cooler idea 22.47.48 # Bizzeh: no 22.48.00 # Bagder: I imagine it'd actually be less tedious to whoever tries to do it, at least. 22.48.26 # Llorean: indeed a more rewarding/interesting challenge I'd say 22.48.45 # Blizzeh: On portable players, you usually have more extra space than you have extra processing power, making MPEG2 a better choice overall most likely. 22.49.38 # Why is the scrollpad for my H10( as you probably figured out I have an H10) so jumpy when I play games like wormlet. It screws me up!!!! 22.50.02 # SaLaD: Feel free to improve the scrollpad driver. 22.50.15 # Again, for things to be improved, someone who owns the hardware has to come up with a better way of coding it. 22.50.34 # Llorean: for getting the emulator working for h10, wouldn't one need to know how the tuner chip is connected anyway? 22.50.37 # SaLaD: maybe it's just me, but sentectes like " It screws me up!!!!" doesn't bring in anything good 22.50.40 # Llorean: this is why most portable players have specialist mpeg4 decoder hardware 22.50.56 # bluebrother: That's the interesting thing: Get it up to the point where you can select to start the radio, then catch what it attempts to do when you choose to. 22.51.10 # I believe that's how some of the hardware was gotten working. 22.51.10 # Bizzeh: "most" ? 22.51.13 # SaLaD: The values recieved from the player are very jumpy, so the scrollpad is jumpy 22.51.27 # ok, "most modern" 22.51.31 # if ipod video is "most" then sure 22.51.33 # hmm, right. Maybe I'm a bit tired for thinking hard enough right now ;-) 22.51.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.51.41 # Bizzeh: that's not true at all 22.51.55 # "most modern" players have CPU and DSP enough to it 22.51.56 # In fact, outside the PSP and the iPod Video, I don't think any are known to, are they? 22.52.08 # I mean there's the DSPs, but that's not exactly the same thing. 22.52.19 # several philips payers 22.52.27 # samsung have a few 22.52.29 # Bizzeh: name a few please 22.52.37 # even if true, that's still not "most" 22.52.47 # Bizzeh: And remember, Supporting MP4 is not the same as "Having a chip for it" 22.52.48 # http://www.rockbox.org/irc/cgiirc/irc.cgi 22.52.49 # i dont know the models, i just see the list of features in a catalog 22.53.01 # Bizzeh: see what Llorean said 22.53.09 # Llorean: yes, but "hardware assisted mpeg4" means, "has a chip in it" 22.53.12 # lots of players support "mp4" 22.53.16 # Bizzeh: No, it doesn't 22.53.21 # I means that hardware assists the decoding. 22.53.23 # Such as a DSP 22.53.48 # yeah, like the telechips and TI dm320 and all 22.53.49 Join _SALAD_ [0] (i=4a841a2a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0e389654a5c3cca2) 22.54.20 # there are even cheap "mp4" players around which are in fact mp3 player with not much more 22.54.22 # Anyway, anyone's more than welcome to write a mpeg-4 player. The Gigabeat at least might be able to play MPEG-4 video (though not h.264) 22.54.33 # sometimes with a similar design like the ipods ... 22.54.48 # <_SALAD_> C N U S I G 22.54.49 # o f s n 22.55.06 # SaLaD: Please stop spamming the channel... 22.55.45 # bluebrother: such "mp4" players imo doesn't even contain hardware in it, I have no idea how it plays music 22.56.05 # Those are usually the s1mp3 hardware, aren't they? 22.56.12 # Basic AAC/MP3 player, and that's about it? 22.56.19 # yes, many seem to be 22.57.21 # How is THAT spam? Take the first letter on the top, and match it up with the letters on bottom. Makes perfect sense! 22.57.31 # anyway, sorry but rockbox doesnt seem like its for me. very very feature lacking, very primitive looking/feeling, and the dev group/support group seem reluctant to want common formats implemented. bye 22.57.33 # read rules 22.57.37 Part Bizzeh 22.57.39 # SaLaD, it's offtopic and irritating to boot. 22.57.46 # hahaha 22.58.04 # he should find another alternative firmware to use 22.58.24 # <_SALAD_> thank you, Badger 22.58.32 # SaLaD: that matching doesn't work for me ... 22.58.44 Quit _SALAD_ (Client Quit) 22.58.45 # SaLaD: There are guidelines for this channel. Perhaps you should read them. 22.59.03 # whats with people and mpeg4 playback 22.59.06 Part maffe 22.59.11 # pearldiver: It's a buzzword. 22.59.14 # sheesh 22.59.14 Part TrueJournals 22.59.23 # mpeg4 is a holy grail of some sorts 22.59.26 # They've never tried MPEG2 on a small screen, and don't realize that it's pretty much fine. 22.59.31 # rockbox is "very very feature lacking"? 22.59.35 # * bluebrother shakes head 22.59.36 # I will say, h.264 is delicious. 22.59.37 # hehe 22.59.44 # bluebrother: didn't you know it ? 22.59.45 # But for XViD/DivX, naah 22.59.53 # What? It Spells CoNFUSInG 23.00.05 Quit SaLaD ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23.00.06 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@i-83-67-214-206.freedom2surf.net) 23.00.11 # finally 23.00.23 # * DerPapst doesn't like salat 23.00.56 # indeed. If it's not displayed aligned it isn't easy to "just" match it 23.00.58 # yeah h.264 is at least something that halfs the size and offers the same quality 23.01.13 # but man is it cpu intensive. 23.01.53 Quit DerPapst ("So Long And Thanks For All The Fish!") 23.01.59 # And takes about six years to encode. 23.02.31 # my laptop won't decode h264 @ native resolution :-( 23.02.36 # it is but it's not really the point here. people repeat the words "avi, mpeg4" like mantra 23.02.45 # Yup 23.02.47 # what's native resolution for h.264? 23.02.54 # bluebrother: I think he means "DVD resolution" 23.03.02 # er, yes. 23.03.14 # hmpf. My nick hilight seems still to be broken :( 23.03.15 # pearldiver: I think the problem is that people don't realize they HAVE to transcode to fit the screen, so whatever format it was before doesn't matter 23.03.32 # krazykit: The PSP plays 720x480 h.264, though it hitches a bit here 'n there. 23.03.39 # well, people don't understand that avi is merely a container format 23.04.03 # I have completly no idea why people would like to watch movies in high resolution on such small displays 23.04.11 # The display is 480x272 23.04.16 # Llorean yep, nobody wants to do a little research but everybody likes to jump to conclusions. same old. 23.04.19 # I guess because they don't want to transcode 23.04.20 Quit lyakh ("thanks, bye") 23.04.42 # and they assume scaling it down doesn't eat up much power ... 23.04.44 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 23.04.50 # Yup 23.04.57 # transcoding to any rockbox target's screen size doesn't take THAT long on a modern machine. 23.05.23 # And with proper settings, MPEG2 gives you fine filesizes and video quality for such a small screen 23.05.24 Part maffe 23.05.31 # anyone know a quick and easy way to convert itunes playlists into something rockbox can use? 23.05.50 # tedrock: IIRC there was a patch for that in the tracker 23.05.54 # i bet people would start comparing rockbox to iphone when it's out. 23.06.06 # No, they'll ask for iPhone Ports 23.06.10 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 23.06.19 # Talking about research - why do people keep speaking about the avi 'format'? AVI is a container, like mov, wav, ... 23.06.22 # oh that too of course 23.06.24 # Though the iPhone is designed to be able to run unsigned code, I hear. 23.06.33 # amiconn thats and old old issue 23.06.35 # So someone should port the simulator to it. 23.06.42 # everybody and their dog think that avi is a format 23.06.52 # Then people can ask why we did the iPhone so quickly but won't do NanoG2 23.07.04 # Llorean: if we got a donation of a cent everytime someone asked for a port to a phone... 23.07.14 Quit kclaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.07.28 # Llorean, sure, as long as you port sdl to the iphone first :-P 23.07.41 # maybe we should add a "stupid question" button to the website which asks the questioner for donating 1ct? 23.07.43 # Llorean: has steve jobs changed his position on the iPhone then / 23.07.53 # GodEater: So I've heard. 23.08.00 # wow 23.08.14 # I couldn't point to the source any more but it seemed reliable when I read it a few days ago. 23.08.18 # I just remember him saying "Verizon don't want their network crashed by some dude with a crappy app on his phone" 23.08.21 # umm how does one apply a .patch file... is their a directory for it? 23.08.22 # and assumed that was that 23.08.28 # I imagine it'll be restricted. 23.08.33 # No access to the phone radios or anything 23.08.43 # oh, a hypervisor you mean ? 23.08.46 # tedrock: You'll have to compile. 23.08.47 # tedrock: to apply a patch you need to recompile 23.08.47 # or similar 23.08.47 # tedrock, you patch the source code and compile it yourself 23.08.53 # GodEater: I can't imagine there not being one. 23.08.59 # check the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page 23.09.30 # sounds a little beyond me. information on wiki about this? 23.09.32 # GodEater: their network must be very crappy if you can bring it down with one malfunctioning device... 23.09.35 # nm 23.09.35 # Llorean not that easy 23.09.39 # you answered my quesiton :D 23.09.42 # i think you need to purchase and deploy a web server just to develop an app 23.10.06 # pearldiver: Of course it wouldn't be simple. It's Apple. :-P 23.10.10 # nls: well my sentiments exactly 23.10.13 # nls, oh, verizon's network IS that crappy. 23.10.16 # I run all sorts of cool stuff on my phone 23.10.26 # Fortunately, the iPhone isn't *on* Verizon's network. 23.10.27 # :-P 23.10.27 # not a single one is signed by the phone manufacturer 23.10.36 # and my network hasn't threatened to sue me yet :) 23.10.38 Quit Veinor (Connection reset by peer) 23.10.47 # * bluebrother uses his mobile phone for ... phone calls :) 23.10.51 # Llorean: well - whoever's network it was then 23.10.57 # AT&T/Cingular. Ugh. 23.10.59 # I don't live in the US - i'm not familiar with them :) 23.11.02 # Llorean plus its all should be under Safari 23.11.19 # i bet nothing worthwhile will surface under such conditions 23.11.29 # But yeah, my phone is reserved for connectivity in general, and that's it. I like to keep my devices separate, a position I've mentioned before. ;) 23.11.43 # Perhaps the iPhone should go on the NoDo? 23.12.32 Quit BRi7Xxon (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.12.37 Join BRi7X [0] (i=bri7x@c-68-81-211-195.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 23.12.48 # how about adding a "emulate xyz's OF" to the NoDo as well? 23.12.56 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 23.13.46 Quit desowin ("use linux") 23.13.55 # amiconn: installing vmware tools without X is possible 23.14.08 # it would have quite enthusiastic "hacking scene" though i presume 23.14.26 Part rift_ 23.15.30 # ipl = iphone linux? :-) 23.15.40 # hehehe 23.16.15 # cuz i know i want a zsh prompt on my phone. 23.16.55 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 23.18.14 Quit pepie34 ("Ex-Chat") 23.18.40 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 23.18.49 # and quite suitably "Mobile Linux group releases first specifications" was announced today ;-) 23.20.20 # Did the Zune Linux guys ever make any further attempt to 'collaborate' beyond the post in our forum, btw? 23.20.30 # not that I've seen 23.20.36 Quit maffe (Remote closed the connection) 23.20.54 Quit petur ("zzz") 23.21.33 # I'm honestly just kinda curious if they've actually done anything, and if so, what. 23.21.43 # me too 23.21.49 # but I doubt they did anything 23.21.52 Part nls 23.21.55 # That's my feeling too. 23.21.56 # looking on their forums, they've picked what distro they want to port 23.22.12 # puppy linux 23.22.16 # what an achivement 23.22.20 # which, as far as i know, still runs on 2.4 23.22.35 # well, it's important to have a distro first. 23.22.36 # well, ipl is on 2.4 too 23.22.55 # the skills can come later ... 23.23.00 # i'd have picked emdebian or something :-/ 23.23.27 # I'd not bothered at all until my kernel at least partly booted 23.23.42 # the only progress was made by zunepet 23.23.52 # but their userbase sounds like people just wanting Some Other Software than actually knowing anything about coding or cracking the hardware's encryption. 23.23.52 # * bluebrother googles for emdebian 23.23.52 # Do you really *need* a distro, so much? 23.23.56 # no 23.23.59 # but i think it was all posted in the thread 23.24.13 # kernel and busybox take you a very long way 23.25.02 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@pD9EB3C2D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 23.25.15 # I'd imagine considering the uniqueness of the platform, you're more or less creating your own distro anyway. 23.25.19 # I get this error when trying to configure binutils: C compiler cannot create executables. Any ideas how I can fix it? 23.25.47 # Llorean: well, it is an arm with a mmu so there are existing distros you probably can use more or less out of the box 23.25.54 # wow. Safari for windows? 23.26.19 # XavierGr, sounds like your toolchain isn't set up properly 23.26.36 # XavierGr: is your host compiler working properly? 23.26.43 # Bagder: i doubt they will come so far. they haven't even found a way to run own code. 23.27.01 # yes, we were just saying that 23.27.11 # I'd actually be interested in the Zune if there were an unsigned code exploit. 23.27.18 # X suggested to solder some wires in the zune to bypass the encryption :D 23.27.27 # I'd like a full-size player with FM Radio again. 23.27.31 # bluebrother: I am not sure, all I know is that I have installed gcc and make 23.27.45 # Llorean, me too. i liked that feature on my old Rio Riot 23.28.02 # soldering really is the best tool to beat encryptions ;-) 23.28.27 Quit ompaul ("Leaving") 23.28.58 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 23.29.01 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp222-144.adsl.forthnet.gr) 23.29.03 # * Llorean wonders where the wires go in the e200R 23.29.16 # XavierGr: there may be information about what went wrong with the compiler in config.log 23.29.30 # xkthat file should be in the directory you were in when you ran configure 23.30.14 Nick basscadet is now known as sneakums (i=sneakums@jenny.ondioline.org) 23.31.15 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.32.42 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 23.32.45 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp57-171.adsl.forthnet.gr) 23.33.38 # just great, it can't compile the hello world program, it says that can't find 23.34.28 Quit davina_ (Remote closed the connection) 23.34.59 Quit Buschel () 23.35.02 Join austriancoder [0] (n=austrian@80.120.117.30) 23.35.02 # XavierGr: If this happens while building gcc 4.1 as crosscompiler, it's a known problem 23.35.10 # jhMikeS: ping 23.35.27 # libssp doesn't like to be crosscompiled, so you need to disable it. See irc log 20060321 23.35.42 # but I get that when I try to build binutils not gcc 4.1 23.36.01 # What version of binutils? 23.36.17 # * amiconn didn't get far with 2.17.x 23.36.17 # and last time I tried (something else went wrong) it succesfully configured and compiled it 23.36.21 # let me check 23.36.29 # 2.16.1 23.36.36 # from rockboxdev.sh 23.36.38 # Hmm, that should work... 23.37.03 Quit GodEater_ (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.37.05 # every time I want to build a vmware envirnment from start I have to reinstall linux like 4 times 23.37.29 # all people say that linux are quite sturdy but I can break them quite easily without knowing what went wrong 23.37.29 Join GodEater_ [0] (n=bryan@bb-87-80-121-64.ukonline.co.uk) 23.37.41 # and then the only option if you don't know what to do is reinstall 23.37.55 # I still think that Windows are much simpler at some aspects 23.38.15 # you could ask the distro's channel for support, of course. 23.38.45 # yes you can always do that, but right now I think I will get the reinstall path 23.38.57 # (and keep a backup of the clean install disk) 23.39.19 # isn't there a vmware image with the build environment already set up? 23.39.23 # With vmware it's really simple... just take a snapshot and work from there 23.39.36 # krazykit: yes but I want to make a new one 23.39.50 # with amiconn's idea or sdl on framebuffer 23.39.55 # If something goes wrong, revert to snapshot 23.40.03 # amiconn: I thought snapshots work only for RAM 23.40.10 # If you finished and everything is ok, delete the snapshot 23.40.58 # With vmware workstation you can even have multiple snapshots (but ws isn't free) 23.41.18 # amiconn: "snapshots" have to do with disk data? 23.41.37 # Snapshots save the whole machine state 23.42.06 # ...which is just disk if the machine is powered down when taking the snapshot, and disk+ram when taking a live snapshot 23.42.16 # great I will do that next tim 23.42.17 # e 23.42.27 # I thought it was just like a hibernation feature 23.42.41 # btw amiconn: how is your vmware image going? 23.43.02 # Didn't work on it recently... 23.43.09 # what's missing? 23.44.06 # The ability to build the html manual successfully... and making it smaller 23.44.20 Join kclaf [0] (i=kclaf@crj95-3-82-237-150-15.fbx.proxad.net) 23.44.22 # making to build the manual is tricky 23.44.32 # amiconn: try installing texlive and/or tex4ht 23.44.36 # pdf manual is simple 23.44.41 # That already works 23.44.59 # although even if you do that you will need to add multirow.sty on your repository 23.45.05 # The image still uses tetex, as it's based on debian testing 23.45.08 # along with the other stys 23.45.48 # The strange thing is that my full fledged vmware image (which has gnome etc) does build the html manual, and it's also debian testing... 23.46.12 # testing? from how long ago? 23.46.29 Join secleinteer [0] (n=scl@adsl-70-237-220-227.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) 23.47.19 # a few weeks 23.47.38 # I am updating more or less regularly 23.49.00 # amiconn: by updating all the time it will be difficult to make the image small in size 23.49.20 # Updating the small image is cumbersome though. No intuitive package manager available as there is no x11 23.49.28 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.49.29 # linux tends to live many garbage files in the filesystem :\ 23.49.37 # s/live/leave 23.49.55 # * amiconn didn't have that impression 23.50.00 # * Bagder neither 23.50.11 # Windows leaves far more junk than linux 23.50.25 # But on linux the junk is harder to find imo 23.50.25 # well apt-get remove package would not delete every trace of the installed files for me 23.51.38 # it is just that on Windows I am experienced and I know how and when to remove the junk, but on Linux I don't have a clue where it might left undeleted files 23.51.58 Join Caliban_ [0] (n=ianmacd@kwark.caliban.org) 23.51.59 # Simply removing a package doesn't clean its configuration data 23.52.00 # XavierGr: try it with the --purge option 23.52.18 # * amiconn was about to mention purging 23.52.20 # obo: I will have that in mind thanks 23.52.38 # That's the nice thing with package gui managers - you see what's happening 23.52.58 # ^ find the 2 words which need to be swapped :/ 23.54.06 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 23.54.18 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 23.54.31 # gui and console? ;) 23.54.37 # hm. i thought tetex was dropped from lenny. must've been some other tex package 23.54.53 # amiconn, check out aptitude? 23.55.18 # krazykit: sure. I use it, but it's not intuitive for sure 23.55.20 # anyone care to help me a bit with this playlist patch. i get a message saying "can't find file to patch at input line 8" 23.55.37 # amiconn, i find it much friendlier than synaptic or whatever 23.55.39 # oh 23.55.41 # * amiconn wants a text-mode equivalent of synaptic :/ 23.56.10 # also they provide a .c file and i donno what to do with this file. i assume that relates to my problem 23.56.12 # A text-mode synaptic would be quite nice. 23.56.38 # yeah synaptic was good back when I was trying to convert to ubuntu 23.56.43 # tedrock, if the file it can't find and the one it provided are the same, put the .c where it's expecting it. or read the readme 23.56.51 # krazykit: For some reason I think exactly the opposite. Synaptic is nice and straigtforward, unlike aptitude 23.57.26 # amiconn, i found synaptic to be unbearably slow in searches and i didn't like being tied to x. diff'rnt strokes. 23.57.27 # krazykit: i wish there was a readme 23.57.28 # * amiconn updates vms 23.57.44 # tedrock, fs#? 23.57.56 # krazykit: 4771 23.58.28 # Searches just take a few seconds... and being tied to X is only a drawback if you want a machine without X... that's why I would like a text mode equivalent 23.59.00 # krazykit: i donno where to put the iPlay.c