--- Log for 17.06.107 Server: brown.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 1 day and 6 hours ago 00.02.42 Quit midgey () 00.03.19 # amiconn: I have a disk-related question. I've added a basic "--format" option to ipodpatcher (to format the FAT32 partition). This seems to to work, but I need to write a function to get the disk geometry (number of heads and sectors per track) for Mac OS X, which I can't work out how to do. Do you know if it's safe to assume values of 255 and 63 for all ipods? 00.04.14 # CHS doesn't work for >8GB anyway 00.04.29 # In this case, the possible maximum should be set 00.05.25 # doesn't mtools get the diskgeometry in macosx? maybe you could use some of their code 00.10.50 # DerPapst: I can only see Linux code for that in mtools 00.12.17 Quit Rob2222 () 00.12.56 # mmmh. was just a guess anyways... and that code doen't work at all in macos? afaik the first one who used mtools successfully on his ipod used a mac. 00.13.32 # The command-line posted in the wiki specifies the geometry explicitly. 00.14.31 # linuxstb: yes i know but he get the values from mtools before. don't know which part of mtools though. 00.16.27 Nick ender1 is now known as ender` (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.dsl.t-2.net) 00.16.28 Quit alberink (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.16.52 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B16322.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.17.17 # DerPapst: The code is a Linux ioctl, surrounded by #ifdef OS_linux - there are no alternatives for other OSes. 00.17.29 # * ender` yawns 00.18.10 Join alberink [0] (n=alberink@cc516682-b.ensch1.ov.home.nl) 00.18.18 # mhhh... well. 00.18.25 # sorry then... 00.22.05 Join TTSbox [0] (n=OzgurOzt@ppp-69-223-173-23.dsl.wotnoh.ameritech.net) 00.22.09 # pixelma: contol scheme is better than before. :) 00.23.57 Quit chrisjs169 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00.24.16 Quit petur ("Zzzzz") 00.28.07 Quit amiconn (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Wibbly Wobbly IRC") 00.28.18 # DerPapst: thanks, nice to have an opinion of an Ipod owner :) 00.29.45 # the first argument to splash is how long its displayed for right? 00.29.50 # how long is one HZ? 00.31.11 # 1 second 00.31.19 Quit drofdarb () 00.32.52 # pixelma: but i'm still not 100% happy with it. but that can't be chaged with the button defines. i think this patch should go into svn :) 00.35.18 # what would you want it to do? 00.36.21 # add keys to the ipod i guess 00.36.29 # 00.36.30 # hehe 00.36.40 # I could use some advice on how to trouble shoot this problem 00.37.03 # i've updated a viewer, and can load a file with it, but hte plugin itself never loads 00.37.15 # i just get a "cannot open plugin.rocks" splash 00.37.29 # and my splash in the first line of the plugin never gets run 00.37.32 # use menu for up, play for down, long play for info (so far only define changes) and scrolling ff or rew scrolls through the entire field (from left to right, from top to bottom). 00.37.35 # safetydan: What does your line in viewers.config look like? 00.37.40 # the .rocks file does get built 00.37.40 # (sorry, saratoga:) 00.37.46 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.97.125) 00.38.09 # wma,viewers/wma2wav,- 00.38.33 # should that "viewers/" not be inthere? 00.39.13 # And the splash says it can't open "plugin.rocks" ? 00.39.19 # no sorry 00.39.26 # wma2wav.rocks 00.39.46 # rocks or rock ? 00.39.56 # err, "/.rockbox/viewers/wma2wav.rock" 00.40.04 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 00.40.09 # And the file is there? 00.40.12 # yes 00.40.53 # i'm using linux if this makes any difference at all 00.41.09 Quit bdgraue (Remote closed the connection) 00.41.45 Quit TTSbox (Connection timed out) 00.41.47 Quit midgey (Client Quit) 00.42.09 Join Thundercloud__ [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.194.77) 00.43.26 # saratoga: And there are no messages displayed in your shell which could help? 00.44.21 Quit Thundercloud__ (Remote closed the connection) 00.44.49 Join Thundercloud__ [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.194.77) 00.47.06 # pixelma: read what i said about the way i would like to see the button defines in minesweeper? 00.48.39 # Llorean: are you there? 00.49.18 # DerPapst: yup, not sure if I'd be able to code that up (not in the near future at least, would have to learn some c before...) ;) 00.50.09 # linuxstb: thanks, theres a message about an undefined symbol and i'm pretty sure i know why 00.51.24 # pixelma: same here... staring at the source code right now ;) 00.51.38 # minesweeper is a bit more complex than 1D tetris 00.52.08 # well .. not true... arguing with someone in #ipl -.- 00.52.11 Quit ender` (" I like work: it fascinates me. I can sit and look at it for hours. -- Jerome K. Jerome") 00.53.13 Quit Thundercloud_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.54.17 Quit secleinteer (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.57.11 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.58.02 # saratoga: So are you about to do your first speed test on a target? 01.03.43 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@p54BD4EC4.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.06.27 # linuxstb: nice comitt :) 01.07.50 Part n1s 01.08.54 # speed test? 01.09.01 # * preglow scans log' 01.10.58 # linuxstb: i'm hoping to get to that point today 01.11.01 # not sure if i will though 01.11.22 # would be pretty cool to have wma playback already 01.11.28 # this plugin I'm trying to use is a huge mess 01.11.38 Quit Domonoky (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.12.00 # i think rockbox is going to be the hard part, i'm not so good at programming, at least compared to math 01.12.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.12.22 # at least with the rockbox part theres plenty of help to get compared to the dsp, heh 01.13.36 # and preglow will probably do the asm optimisations as usual :) 01.13.40 # heh 01.14.06 # we'll see 01.15.00 # saratoga: i feel kind of bad for not being around too much when i should be mentoring, please just mail me/google talk me whatever if you're wondering about anything. i check that more often than irc 01.15.21 # summer arrived and i'm in demand with various people 01.16.08 # but definitely anyway, rockbox integration > speedy codec 01.18.32 # preglow: thanks 01.19.13 # but anyway, do whatever keeps your motivation up. i know i definitely gain more of that if i can just optimise stuff for a couple of days, heh 01.19.24 # but then again, i am weird 01.19.33 # yeah i just need to get to the point where i can run something in rockbox 01.19.45 # i hate being stuck unable to run anything 01.19.53 # yeah, i can imagine 01.22.20 # markun: I'm here now 01.22.38 # * linuxstb points optimistically to a Monkey's Audio decoder in need of Coldfire attention if anyone is bored... 01.22.50 # i happen to not be bored right now, heh 01.23.04 # i also happen to never use monkeys audio, and speex needs attention first 01.23.18 # too much stuff needs attention, i'm hoping for more rockbox time 01.23.45 # what is the difference between using rb->strcpy and just calling strcpy? 01.23.59 # strcpy doesn't exist in plugins 01.24.01 # well, for one, you shouldnt be able to call strcpy straight 01.24.05 # unless youre using the sim 01.24.09 # on target, forget it 01.24.14 # codecs can though? 01.24.16 # god, these lappy keyboards suck 01.24.17 # nope 01.24.52 # ahh, unless theyre in some kind of codec lib 01.24.54 # and they might be 01.25.06 # haven't got the rb source here right now, so can't check 01.25.40 # ah yeah codeclib has one 01.25.49 # preglow: viewvc is your friend.. 01.26.29 # so the ci struct is for codecs and the rb struct is for plugins? 01.26.47 # Yes - see plugin.h and codecs.h 01.27.20 # Llorean: the only unassigned button press on the gigabeat remote is long-press on the speaker button, use if for the quickmenu? 01.27.30 # markun: good timing =) 01.27.38 # oh...i see it above >_> 01.28.23 # markun: As long as the quickmenu works from the remote, sure. The Shuffle and Repeat options seem ideal for the remote, I think. Maybe. 01.28.58 # * amiconn thinks the quickmenu no longer deserve its name 01.29.11 # scorche, Llorean: Who's who in the devconwest team photo? 01.29.18 # another question, the old wma decoder includes plugin.h, but this causes it to not compile with error "rockboxlogo.h: No such file or directory" 01.29.24 # linuxstb: i am putting that up right now 01.29.54 # amiconn: I never use it myself 01.30.10 # without it, i get a runtime error because "ck: undefined symbol ci", presumably because that include is missing 01.30.38 # ci needs to be defined in your codec 01.30.45 # amiconn: yeah, but i'm lazy and very used to "cd, ls and vim" :) 01.31.11 # amiconn: I figured it was #included somewhere, let me look into this 01.31.34 # linuxstb: In the back: Toffe, Me, Soap, Joely. In the front: HCS, Scorche, Lostlogic 01.31.55 # well... 01.32.35 # Llorean: you can't even make the flash based video feed work? :P 01.32.40 # saratoga: Is it a plugin or codec including plugin.h ? 01.33.06 # linuxstb: page updated 01.33.11 # more pictures coming soon 01.33.25 # linuxstb: sort of both 01.33.37 # its a plugin that calls the half finished codec 01.33.46 # evidently it worked last summer 01.33.54 Join BRi7Xxon [0] (i=bri7x@c-68-81-211-195.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 01.34.00 # things tend to change... 01.34.04 Quit BRi7X (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.34.24 Join Soap [0] (n=Soap@206.228.104.194) 01.34.38 # so codec.c declares a "codec_api ci" variable 01.34.54 # do i need to delcare that as an extern variable in the codec or something else? 01.35.38 # No, the codec has to define a struct codec_api * 01.35.43 # codec.c is used by core Rockbox to call codecs. You include codec.h in your codec, and the codec_main() function is called by the core, passing a codec_api struct. 01.35.52 # You can call it whatever you want, ci is by convention 01.36.21 # The pointer is passed, not the struct... 01.36.51 # saratoga: But it sounds like you're just making life hard for yourself by writing a plugin which looks like a codec... If I was you, I would remove any references to the codec API, and just concentrate on getting it working as a simple wma2wav plugin. 01.37.19 # linuxstb: that sounds reasonnible, i hate the current code anyway 01.37.30 # it works nicely on linux now, what am i likely to need to change? 01.37.31 # indeed 01.37.41 # linuxstb: Wouldn't it be better to make it a real codec instead? 01.37.50 # for testing, plugins are best 01.37.54 # at least afaik 01.38.12 # Is that still true? We have test_codec.rock now 01.38.20 # aww..petur isnt here to find out we are trying the chimay red =P 01.38.20 # A real codec is harder than a plugin - especially when you're first adapting standalone code for Rockbox. 01.39.12 # so to get the linux code working, i'll likely need to change the remaining malloc stuff to use the codeclib one, and change a lot of c library calls to use the rb struct functions? 01.39.22 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.221.117) 01.39.40 # scorche: hell, was that shit already stocked in the minibar or did you bring it? 01.39.51 # the first sounds really unlikely 01.40.01 # preglow: we found red and blue in a grocery store 01.40.12 # chimay in the grocery store... 01.40.16 # why do i live here? 01.41.08 Quit Llorean (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01.41.24 # haha...dont ask me 01.41.26 Quit cynicalliberal (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.41.44 # the answer is because i'm a fool 01.41.59 # with no proper sense of priority 01.42.36 # saratoga: btw, how far from ffmpeg svn are you currently? 01.42.58 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@206.228.104.194) 01.44.03 # mmm...i approve...has a nice little twist in the taste at the end 01.44.08 # preglow: lightyears 01.44.24 # saratoga: as in marsdaddys last patch? 01.44.40 # i started with that, and then drifted farther 01.44.54 Quit Thundercloud__ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01.45.29 # merging back into ffmpeg will probably mean going line by line and converting their code to fixed point, using what i have now as an example 01.45.40 # heh 01.46.06 # why oh why did the ffmpeg wma fixed point dude disappear 01.46.15 # it actually might not be too bad if i could get the SVN ffmpeg code to work at all 01.46.46 # ahh, yeah, you've still got that problem 01.46.46 # as far as I'm concerned, this code is better anyway since it has a lot less of ffmpeg's wrappers and abstractions in place 01.47.11 # theres only 1 or 2 functional changes they've made that look interesting to us 01.47.33 # the rest is stuff so they can reuse code with their wma encoder and other codecs 01.47.36 # i don't really care as long as the codec changes themselves are in 01.48.13 # i will have to go through again to look at that 01.48.39 # i'm not too concerned right now though, since i've got MS's sample WMAs playing fine, 32, 64 and 128k all work 01.51.50 # which is more than i would have expected, heh 01.52.08 # don't worry, i'm sure theres all sorts of weird files that will break it 01.52.16 # 20kbps files already do! 01.52.56 # pffft, who cares! 01.54.25 # my goal is just to get 128k working, then i guess they'll be a long period of fixing things once we add the codec and the forums fill with sansa users complaining 01.55.01 # hahaha 01.55.32 # can i just add a subdirectory in the plugins folder, and then a reference to it in the SUBDIRS folder? 01.55.45 # then it'll find the makefile in that directory? 01.55.58 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 01.56.01 # i think so, but i've never really tried 01.57.49 Quit obo ("bye") 02.00.29 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 02.00.41 # saratoga: Yes, but you'll obviously need to create the Makefile for your plugin yourself. 02.00.58 # * linuxstb spots a libasf.[ch] in vlc that could be useful 02.01.50 # vlc? 02.01.57 # the media player? 02.02.01 # Yes 02.02.33 # i'll look at it 02.02.56 # also, i defined a debug macro on the PC, now I'd like to have those macros do nothing 02.03.06 # is there someway i can redefine them to a null statement? 02.03.41 Part maffe 02.03.51 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 02.04.02 Quit Soap (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.04.05 # will #define dbprintf(args...) " work? 02.04.06 # what's up, #rockbox 02.04.19 # or do i actually have to consume the arguments somehow? 02.04.37 Join Soap [0] (n=Soap@206.228.104.194) 02.04.43 # saratoga: you mean something like #ifndef ? 02.04.46 # saratoga: There's also a libasf here - http://code.google.com/p/libasf/source 02.05.24 # DerPapst: basically my code is literally with macros that print out debug info, i'd like to make them not do anything when compiled for rockbox 02.06.57 # saratoga: The line "#define dbprintf(...)" should work 02.06.59 # saratoga: doesn't DEBUG( ... ) do what you want? 02.07.04 # ah.. 02.07.33 # #if 0 then? 02.08.12 Quit spiorf ("Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)") 02.08.26 # more pictures added 02.08.41 # markun: i actually have no idea what DEBUG does 02.09.44 # i like the chemey 02.09.49 # good taste 02.10.02 # s/chemey/chimay 02.10.23 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host5-217-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 02.10.29 # the Heinkien seems more questionable though 02.10.37 # saratoga: look at apps/codecs.h 02.12.23 Quit Robin0800 (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Organize your IRC") 02.15.08 # is it ok for me to comment out the other codecs while i'm testing? they take forever to compile 02.15.46 # As long as you don't change them, they won't compile again 02.16.30 # * amiconn also wonders who calls <1 minute "forever" 02.16.53 # Unless you're building on cygwin, but even then it shouldn't be more than 3..5 minutes 02.16.58 # cygwin. > 2 minutes 02.17.21 # geh 02.17.25 # cygwin... 02.17.32 # he said he's on linux... 02.17.41 # well then... 02.17.50 # jhMikeS: I tried building codecs with -O2 - nsf.codec then fails with "region PLUGIN_IRAM is full" :( 02.18.18 # (on coldfire) 02.18.35 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 02.20.47 # http://hardocp.com/images/news/1166217802IurSrI6yob_1_1_l.jpg 02.20.56 Quit lee-qid_ ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 02.25.59 # amiconn: is nsf hit bad with -Os too? spc was the only one that I saw negatively affected. 02.26.14 # I don't know... 02.26.15 # * jhMikeS has never tried using nsf 02.26.26 # * Mouser_X uses it occasionally. 02.26.28 # * amiconn has no track of either format to test with 02.26.44 # * Mouser_X uses SPCs more frequently. 02.26.50 # some googling will find some quickly :) 02.27.23 # looks like a cool place 02.27.51 # woop, wrong window 02.29.06 # The 4KB samples[] array in nsf.c looks like it might be movable to the stack - that could help the IRAM problem. 02.29.13 Quit Soap (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.29.32 # jhMikeS: weren't you going to devconwest? 02.29.33 # amiconn->sleep(); 02.29.36 # nsf needs more IRAM than spc? spc has it to spare 02.30.09 # lots of tables, I think 02.30.37 # No, I think it's ICODE - only one table is in IRAM. 02.30.43 # preglow: I wasn't able to obligate to it unfortunately. I hope next year I'll be in a better position if there is one. :( Too much going on that I can't really need to attend to right now. 02.30.49 Quit midgey (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.30.53 Part Llorean 02.31.27 # linuxstb: i can't get that define trick to work 02.31.29 # s/I can't/ 02.31.34 # it leaves the arguments in place 02.31.42 # and just removes the function call around them 02.31.49 # jhMikeS: can relate to that 02.32.48 # small repetitive routines don't really benefit from IRAM much...the DSP functions get no speed increase from it since the code will be cached. 02.32.51 Quit perldiver (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.33.39 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3004.gwdg.de) 02.34.17 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@206.228.104.194) 02.35.15 Join toffe82_ [0] (n=chatzill@206.228.104.195) 02.35.44 # everyone use profont. 02.35.56 # acknowledged 02.36.14 # apt-get install profont 02.36.20 # added it ot rockbox. 02.36.46 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 02.36.58 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.38.27 Quit DerPapst (Nick collision from services.) 02.38.32 Join DerPapst294 [0] (n=DerPapst@pD9EB13A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 02.38.44 # time for a bedtime-whisky 02.38.59 Nick DerPapst294 is now known as DerPapst (n=DerPapst@pD9EB13A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 02.39.06 # which is probably going to last me way past my bedtime :/ 02.43.15 Part pixelma 02.43.16 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 02.43.22 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 02.44.19 Join TTSbox [0] (n=OzgurOzt@ppp-69-223-173-23.dsl.wotnoh.ameritech.net) 02.44.58 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.46.16 # lostlogic: Are you sure the licensing for profont is OK for Rockbox? It seems to be a "free for non-commercial use" type of license from what I can see. 02.47.40 # it looked like it was just plain free 02.47.47 # Paul and I were lookin' 02.48.23 # linuxstb: The only license I could find described it as "freeware" 02.48.50 # See the file profontdoc.txt in http://www.tobiasjung.net/download.php?file=MProFont.zip - which I think we now need to include in Rockbox distributions IIUC. 02.49.17 # linuxstb: but the fonts are downloaded separately, so perhaps it's no problem to have a different license for them? 02.49.38 # And it only talks about distributing unmodified versions afaics. 02.50.40 # Hence we have no right to modify them - which at least isn't in the spirit of Rockbox. 02.51.47 Quit kubiix (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.52.49 # the pcf version doesn't even include that file they mentioned 02.52.56 # so I don't think ew are remotely responsible for including it 02.53.07 # honestly I think we're in the clear or I wouldn't have included it 02.56.10 Quit dune2 (Remote closed the connection) 02.57.11 # any idea why make clean doesn't end up calling the clean: command in my plugin? 02.57.17 # do i need to regsiter that somewhere? 02.57.31 # don't think so 02.57.41 # make clean just does "rm -fr" now 02.58.00 # (it was too slow to run all the make clean rules) 02.58.16 # thats odd 02.58.36 # i've listed my subdirectory in the SUBDIR folder 02.58.40 # is there anything else to do? 02.58.43 Join cynicalliberal [0] (n=chatzill@c-24-7-158-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 02.58.55 # gcc -o sleep.c sleep && ./sleep --DerPapst 02.59.01 Quit DerPapst ("So Long And Thanks For All The Fish!") 02.59.15 # saratoga: what clean command are you trying to do? 02.59.25 # the build process should never touch the source dirs 03.00.12 # tahts it then 03.00.20 # i'm building the stuff in place with my make file 03.00.25 # ::shakehead:: 03.00.26 # ;) 03.01.13 # haha 03.01.43 # lostlogic: anywho, you guys have fun 03.01.45 # bedtime for me 03.01.51 # nightio 03.01.58 # good night 03.02.37 Quit TTSbox (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.04.29 # * midkay wants to try profont-14 but has to wait for the package to be rebuilt in many hours 03.04.38 # someone should put .fnt copies up somewhere temporarily.. 03.04.51 # midkay: I will, I have them on my server any way 03.05.00 # yes! 03.05.42 # midkay: http://test.lostlogicx.com/transfer/profont-x11 03.05.47 # midkay: it is a nice font 03.06.00 # lostlogic: thanks 03.06.24 # lostlogic: forbidden atm, still uploading or so? 03.06.33 # hmm, I must suck, 1s 03.06.45 # now? 03.06.58 # yep, thanks. 03.07.16 # 12.. and 15? oh.. i thought there was a 14.. well well.. 03.08.30 # tey may need renaming, because they are different sizes than other fonts with those numbers, I think. 03.09.41 # lostlogic: Sorry to go back to the license, but my understanding is that if you converted the font from pcf files, and those pcf files came with no license, then you have no right to redistribute them. 03.09.41 # ah, i see. pretty nice, but *sticks with nimbus-14 or whatever* 03.09.46 # 29's pretty big. 03.10.04 # hehe 03.10.11 # it is actually nice looking though, as opposed to many of our current big fonts 03.10.25 # scorche: sure is.. 03.10.36 # linuxstb: hmm... IANAL, will suck them back out if you think it's necessary :( 03.10.58 # lostlogic: I'ld like to hear Bagder's opinion on it... 03.11.14 # is he sleepin' or just not around ATM? 03.11.25 # sleeping I expect. 03.11.31 # linuxstb: My understanding is that the original font was "shareware", someone approached the original author when the old installer wouldn't run anymore and got permission to release it as "freeware", and that's where it stands. Vague terms. 03.11.47 # very. 03.11.59 # I think the real concern ends up being what the original author meant, not what terms the new maintainer means by it, too. 03.12.01 # Llorean: Yes, that's the text I read. But that text says you must include that text file with distributions. 03.12.03 # plus the pcf versoin is already a modified version of the original 03.12.10 # as is the 'tweaked' version 03.12.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.12.17 # which is available on that Tobias dude's site. 03.13.00 # scorche says "just cuz he does it doesn't make it right" 03.14.02 # Maybe we should just contact the original author? 03.18.09 Join ansivirus [0] (n=ansiviru@adsl-76-225-180-38.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) 03.22.19 # i'm looking at the chessbox makefile as an example, and I really have no idea what any of that means 03.22.32 # could someone help me through it? 03.22.34 # http://users.monash.edu.au/~jdgor1/rockbox-fonts.zip (in about a minute) has all the new fonts if anyone wants them 03.22.49 Quit billytwowilly (Success) 03.23.11 # saratoga: You should just be able to copy and paste a Makefile. 03.24.11 # saratoga: Sudoku may be an easier example - it uses a SOURCES file, so you just need to put your files in there, and probably just search and replace "sudoku" to "wma2wav" in the Makefile 03.24.20 # i'll try that 03.25.25 Join grndslm [0] (n=grndslm@69.92.23.67) 03.26.44 # * linuxstb reads the devconwest page and wonders if anything is happening apart from food, beer and arcades ;) 03.27.41 # lots of talking 03.27.47 # and laughing =) 03.27.53 # linuxstb: There's been a lot of talk both about what we can do about the WPS gallery (all the unsupported/broken/unlicensed themes, and just the sort of sprawl to it), as well as some discussion about what (we at least) think about RButil 03.27.58 # and other misc things that werent really an "event" 03.28.01 # Specifically, "what is it" since there's some question in that area. 03.28.40 # Removing the WPS gallery would seem a simple solution (leaving rockbox-themes.org) 03.28.48 # linuxstb: when devcon is over, i will compile my notes into a readable version for those who werent here much like they did for euro, so you will see a bit then ;) 03.28.59 # linuxstb: We have no control, at all, over rockbox-themes.org. 03.29.12 # Llorean: Is that a problem though? 03.29.16 # I'm not sure it is. 03.29.25 # But we were working on the assumption that there will be an official WPS gallery 03.29.36 # I don't think anybody thought of that, but it is a possibility for sure. 03.30.35 # well, rbutil seems to make rockbox-themes look official 03.30.46 # Yeah, which is somewhat unfortunate. 03.31.06 Quit PaulJam_ (".") 03.31.08 # our vague plan is to make an actual official themes site that will be rbutil compat 03.31.11 # We were talking about having an rockbox-themes like page on the site, that runs them through the validator and a basic "Does the .cfg file have these lines" checklist. 03.31.11 # ible 03.31.12 # Personally, I would like to see rockbox-themes become official - it's a much better way of organising themes than the wiki. 03.31.19 # right. 03.31.49 # so this will basically be an official version of that site 03.32.07 # why cant that site be the official version of that site? 03.32.45 # Well, I haven't seen any real interest in RedBreva making it official (from his end) 03.33.08 # As well, will he go through the effort to maintain copyright issues and licensing issues? 03.33.15 # I haven't seen him around much, or any discussions with him about making it official. 03.33.36 # linuxstb: I'm pretty sure the *original* plan was for his site to be the official 03.33.48 # Whatever the official site is needs to be fairly actively, and openly, maintained. 03.33.53 # I assume it was, as he's using the official html/css 03.34.45 # if you are interested, i can post a link to my extremely rough draft of our summaries...they will be cleaned up post-devcon....as i said, they are extremely rough and i am not sure how much someone who wasnt here will get off of them, as well as the blank spaes that are in all of our heads 03.35.05 # linuxstb: that was one of the things we concluded...to ask him to remove the sidebar to prevent confusion 03.35.44 # mostly because the links are all changed! 03.35.57 # that confuesed me heaps last time I went browsing there 03.36.07 # went to click curent build and got some other random site :p 03.36.16 # One thing we'd like is to have a human verification step on submitted themes. Just make sure there's a .txt file saying that it's under a license that we're happy with for Themes, and doesn't look like it's copyright infringing. 03.36.35 # http://scorche.cleansoap.org/rockbox/DevconTopics.txt 03.36.37 # * linuxstb visits rockbox-themes.org and notices it now looks completely different 03.36.44 Join secleinteer [0] (n=scl@70.230.174.70) 03.36.46 # those are the rough notes...keep in mind they are extremely rough 03.37.04 Quit secleinteer (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.38.40 # JdGordon: You want to rewrite Rockbox (apps/) from scratch? ;) 03.39.14 # hypothetical discussion.... 03.39.27 Join TTSbox [0] (n=OzgurOzt@ppp-69-223-173-23.dsl.wotnoh.ameritech.net) 03.39.37 # but yes, sort of... I've been mostly taslked out of it by now though 03.39.38 # One thing I've noticed is that lack of modularity - every file seems to #include every .h file... 03.51.27 # linuxstb: I think the most important bit is that rbutil needs to point to something that's an official site that follows the copyright guidelines DevCon Euro decided on. Some place "we" have more control over. 03.56.38 Quit BHSPitLappy ("Leaving") 03.57.07 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=steve-o@adsl-66-139-217-161.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 03.57.41 Quit BHSPitLappy (Remote closed the connection) 03.57.56 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=steve-o@adsl-66-139-217-161.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 03.58.28 Join shiftplusone [0] (n=shiftplu@c211-28-48-3.frank1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 03.58.40 Part shiftplusone ("Leaving") 04.13.42 # my plugin quits with an "incompatable model" error message 04.13.45 # ideas? 04.15.41 # I've often typed the wrong number when building. 04.15.47 # Are you 100% sure you build for the right player? 04.16.20 Quit ompaul (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 04.16.35 Quit BHSPitLappy (Remote closed the connection) 04.17.05 # i'd forgotten the PLUGIN_HEADER macro 04.17.21 # Ah, that's an important one too. 04.17.31 # we should update the PLUGINAPI file to mention it 04.17.42 # looking over it, i'd say it hasn't been updated in quite a long time 04.18.00 # Entirely possible 04.18.02 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=steve-o@adsl-66-139-217-161.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 04.18.40 # well i got a plugin to run 04.18.51 # it crashes before writing anyting to the disk, but its a start 04.18.56 # have fun at devcon 04.19.02 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC") 04.28.35 Quit entheh ("^~") 04.33.54 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul) 04.35.46 # the webcam has completely defeated 2.5 of us, we appologize. 04.41.32 Quit grndslm (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04.57.14 # "We all officially hate the camera" Heh. 04.57.21 # Too bad. 04.57.41 # It provides absolutely no feedback to tell you what's going wrong. 04.57.46 # It just doesn't work, and doesn't tell you why 04.58.20 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 04.58.26 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 05.12.08 Quit blithe (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 05.12.08 NSplit brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 05.12.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.19.29 NHeal brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 05.19.29 NJoin blithe [0] (n=blithe@stiletto.djblithe.com) 05.19.36 Join blithe_ [0] (n=blithe@67.18.176.106) 05.19.40 Quit blithe (No route to host) 05.21.08 Join Soap [0] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 05.34.01 Part Llorean 05.36.41 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@206.228.104.194) 05.51.06 Quit rotator () 06.01.52 # sounds the the gigabeat S? 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08.12.52 # oui 08.16.02 # so i'm installing rockbox for the first time 08.16.10 # i'm really excited 08.16.32 # but i feel like i have no idea what i'm doing 08.17.10 # i just added it to my sansa e200 08.17.22 # but now it doesn't auto detect in windows media player 08.17.37 # turn off the player, and plug in USB while it's turned off. 08.17.44 # hmm 08.17.45 # k 08.17.47 # one sec 08.18.36 # okay so when that happens, it boots to the sansa loader? 08.18.40 # sweet 08.18.45 # thx 08.18.50 # lemme play around here a bit 08.19.08 # i'm really hoping to get this set up like this vid i saw on youtube 08.19.24 # where this guy was running a GBA emulator in his apps 08.19.36 # should be doable 08.19.40 # There is no GBA emulator 08.19.52 # hmm 08.19.58 # I haven't tried any GameBoy stuff 08.19.59 # lemme find the vid to reference 08.20.09 Join bdgraue [0] (n=bdgraue@dyndsl-085-016-108-186.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 08.20.50 # "regular" gameboy 08.20.50 # Pacman (you supply the ROM files), and a slew of native games work 08.21.11 # http://youtube.com/watch?v=9m0lIm8dSTc 08.21.23 # Rockboy is Gameboy and Gameboy color 08.21.36 # Indeed. 08.21.41 # Lots of fun too. 08.22.01 # wait i see 08.22.04 # yep i'm an idio 08.22.07 # t* 08.22.12 # okay, i see it's not GBA 08.22.16 # still, it's gbc 08.23.56 # It'd be awesome if someone figured out a way to make it multiplayer... 08.24.12 # (No, that's not going to happen, but it would still be cool...) 08.24.31 # next you'll want DS support 08.24.35 # and Wii 08.24.51 # well, if wii were possible, who would baulk at that? :) 08.24.51 # Someone already asked HCS for GCN support. 08.25.00 # (No joke, they did actually ask for it.) 08.25.13 # i no nothing of the programming aspects 08.25.23 # (They weren't serious when they asked though...) 08.25.29 # but i am looking forward to enjoying the fruits of many other people's labours 08.25.37 # i know* nothing of the... 08.25.53 # HCS is making GBS player for Rockbox. 08.26.01 # Apparently, it's running. 08.26.04 # :) 08.26.17 # is there an snes player for rockbox? 08.26.24 # (GBS = Gameboy audio) 08.26.32 # There's a SPC player, but no SNES emu. 08.26.33 # (i'm dreaming, bare with me) 08.26.37 # right 08.26.40 # shucks 08.26.48 # having an spc player is kinda like a tease 08.26.50 # :P 08.26.51 # it's like 08.26.54 # okay, you can listen 08.26.58 # but you can't play 08.26.59 # (HCS ported the SPC player to Rockbox as well.) 08.27.18 # lots of stuff is *theoretically* possible.... but, they would require more souped up hardware. Remember, the hardware platforms are intended to play back (primarily) mp3 audio files 08.27.24 # For me, that's all I ask. It's not like I actually play the games I listen too... 08.27.51 # jurrie: The Gigabeat S has a 533 mhz CPU. 08.27.56 # Imagine what that can do... 08.28.16 # man i would love a gigabeat 08.28.26 # * Mouser_X has a Gigabeat F40. 08.28.28 # the native interface for its firmware is actually quite nice 08.28.33 # i hadnt seen one before 08.28.36 # and bought this sansa 08.28.40 # had i realized 08.28.46 # I never saw the Original Firmware... 08.28.47 Join konek [0] (i=konek@195.225.68.211) 08.28.48 # i would have got the gigabeat in a heartbeat 08.28.57 # hi 08.29.02 # I installed Rockbox the second I powered up my Gigabeat... 08.29.04 # hi konek 08.29.27 # if as instal rockbox, i must deinstal my music from ipod 08.29.33 # sorry for my english :) 08.29.36 # Not so. 08.29.52 # no, rockbox can play music loaded by itunes 08.29.57 # You can keep the music from your iPod, on the iPod, and Rockbox will play it. 08.30.11 # However, the filenames are completely destroyed. 08.30.28 # ok, thx :) 08.31.27 # iamtowel: I was thinking about buying the iPod, with using Rockbox in mind. I came here, and asked around for suggestions, and markun suggested the Gigabeat. I'm glad he did. 08.31.44 # (In other words, I did a *little* research first...) 08.32.15 # yeah, that's super cool 08.32.18 # i love the gigabeat 08.32.26 # though the friend who bought it 08.32.30 # had his crash recently 08.32.40 # iamtowel: Put everything on one line. 08.33.09 # It makes it easier to read, and creates less white-space. Thus, clogging up the logs less. 08.33.12 # sorry; i'm in instant messaging mind right now 08.34.18 # Mainly, I'm pointing out that at the *very* least, you should have one sentance be on one line... Not split up into 3 lines, for one sentance... 08.37.07 Quit atsea- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.37.22 # be sure you check the codecs required by your existing audio files, not all formats are supported by Rockbox.... most notably Apple's DRM AAC 08.38.38 # does rockbox support flac and ogg by defaul? 08.38.43 # yes 08.38.48 # man, i'm forgetting the ends of the words... default* 08.38.57 # mp3 and ogg Vorbis work very well 08.38.57 # yes 08.40.13 # iamtowel: My favorite formats supported by Rockbox: ADX, MP3 (duh!), SPC, and NSF(e). 08.40.29 # I use OGG occasionally as well. 08.40.59 # mouser_x: you mentioned SPC before... that's a plugin and not native, right? or does it play SPC straight out of the box? 08.41.27 # Straight out of "the box." 08.41.38 # Along with NSF and ADX. 08.42.04 # iamtowel: all plugins that work according to our specifications are included in each build...not many working plugins at all are available that you dont get in the build 08.42.33 # so everything that we say rockbox does (unless we say requires a patch), it will do "out of the box" 08.43.23 # cool; thanks for the clarification, guys... i guess i'm just coming into this thinking of it like foobar2000 player 08.43.46 # and with f2k its all plugins that you have to choose and whatnot 08.44.12 # * Mouser_X uses Winamp. 08.44.43 # Interestingly, my use of Winamp has sevearly decreased since I got my Gigabeat... 08.46.41 # Yay, shows over. 08.46.44 # i used to use winamp ages ago, but ceased doing so based on the ram requirements... i found it used far too much ram for me 08.46.47 # Scorche, mind if I cruse by? 08.47.12 # i switched to f2k simply based on the ram usage on my crappy celeron work pc 08.47.19 # put in a thingie at the front gate for "Paul Gorman"? 08.47.37 # or ya'll give up for the night? 08.47.43 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.55.41 # hmmm 08.55.59 Join jurrie_ [0] (n=jurrie@c-67-191-167-178.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 08.56.07 # crap; sorry... i'm still getting used to throwing stuff onto one line. how can i enable album art? 08.57.02 Join atsea- [0] (i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-82c75425d898e23f) 08.58.21 Quit jurrie (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.58.35 # iamtowel: Album Art isn't part of Rockbox. 08.58.49 # You need to compile/build your own copy using a patch, to get that. 08.59.25 # Or, you could download an unsupported/unofficial build. You can find those in the forums. I don't go to the forums, so I don't know where to find them, beyond that. 08.59.58 # i'm going to have to do some digging it appears... thanks, mouser 09.02.11 # when the acronym "WPS" is used on the site, what is this referring to? 09.02.29 # while playing screen 09.02.40 # How long battery holds on Rockbox ? ;] 09.03.25 # konek: On the iPod? Not long. 09.03.26 # awesome, thanks JdG... 09.03.52 # on iPod Video 30GB 09.03.54 # konek: I've heard it's about 60% of the length that the original iPod software lasts. 09.04.20 # So, if the unmodded iPod lasts 10 hours, Rockbox would last 6. 09.04.40 # konek: ^ This is what I've heard anyway. 09.04.51 Join JazzBone [0] (n=JazzBone@p5091BBC7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 09.05.17 # i get 8 full hours on my 60gb ipod with random pushy-buttons-constantly usage. 09.05.38 # very little :( 09.05.50 # Presence: so are you home on irc? 09.06.03 # in car 09.06.10 # oh..ok...just making sure =P 09.06.14 # right 9utside mgm pkg garage. 09.06.46 # i called mgm's switchboard, yeah, no love for non regisstered guests parking at the signature. :( 09.06.54 # yeah 09.07.04 # they are pretty strict about that around here 09.07.29 # ah well. i prolly coulda walked from my office in the venetian faster. heh. 09.08.20 # before i picked the hotel, i was considering the venetian, but they shut me down by saying that only 4 people max in a suite even not staying there/sleeping 09.08.31 # only hotel that said something like that 09.08.52 # right, totally anal about over crowding the suites. 09.09.10 # actually, anal about *. 09.09.32 # I've been to a place like that... 09.09.45 # 8 people maximum, including newborn babies. 09.09.48 # but, hey, yer all in the newest rooms on the Strip! 09.10.06 # so we hear =) 09.10.27 # you should have seen it when we had the bigger version 09.12.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.15.21 Join shiftplusone [0] (n=shiftplu@c211-28-48-3.frank1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 09.15.39 Part shiftplusone ("Leaving") 09.20.18 # worst parking structure evar! 09.20.37 # jhMikeS, linuxstb: Either of you around? 09.21.51 # citywalk... 09.25.36 # studiowalk... hahaah, so much hate. 09.28.02 Quit konek () 09.29.24 # on bridge... wow, new. 09.30.44 # * jhMikeS 's here...lurky 09.31.11 # jhMikeS: We thought we found a freeze bug in mpegplayer, but it seems to only affect it when you have "Limit FPS" disabled so it's running full speed. 09.33.03 # When limit FPS is disabled, it seems to freeze before the end of Elephant's Dream on GIgabeat. 09.33.15 # It completes fine at 'normal' speed 09.34.03 # I've always had it bomb out near the end of ED because the buffer ahead isn't enough...with "Limit FPS" on. 09.34.18 # Wow. 09.34.21 # It works with limit on just fine for me. 09.34.30 # But with limit off, it bombs out. 09.34.44 # It should with it off since the parser will lose its place 09.35.53 # I have a fix I made to give enough buffer ahead with some low pass filtering on the instantaneous bitrate...nothing I tried after it bombs out. I have to reconstruct it though. 09.40.59 # Alright, just wanted to pass the word. 09.47.51 Join Redbreva [0] (n=chatzill@host86-134-211-109.range86-134.btcentralplus.com) 09.48.45 Quit Redbreva (Client Quit) 09.54.23 Quit iamtowel ("Leaving") 09.54.47 Quit BHSPitLappy (Remote closed the connection) 09.55.37 Quit hcs ("Leaving.") 09.56.17 Join davina_ [0] (n=dave@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 10.03.20 Join rift_ [0] (n=heroes@23.56.70-86.rev.gaoland.net) 10.13.24 Quit midgey () 10.16.15 Quit Soap ("Leaving") 10.23.13 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@29.21.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 10.32.48 Join scorche` [0] (n=_@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 10.36.11 Join bluebrother [0] (i=rHPC6iKh@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 10.42.52 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@h218n1fls35o293.telia.com) 10.44.59 Quit scorche (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.51.09 Join Vortex [0] (n=ich@p5B17206D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 10.51.41 Nick Vortex is now known as Vortex375 (n=ich@p5B17206D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 10.52.43 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust362.winn.cable.ntl.com) 10.53.54 Part toffe82_ 10.58.38 # "outsider's report" on devcon west: these dudes are the nerdcore equivalant to "Thunder from Down Under" but with gigi beats. 11.00.22 # "nerdcore" :) 11.00.48 # Presence: are you there now? 11.01.18 # i just left 'rem, they were preparing the suite for some downtime for a ffew hours. 11.01.37 # There's momentum though 11.01.43 # It takes a LONG time for shutdonw. 11.02.01 # dude, my ipod touched theirs, its like inherently "better" now! 11.02.10 # :) 11.02.12 # Heh. 11.02.38 # and llorean didnt slay me for having an unsuport3d build! 11.02.58 # we gave a few quips though =P 11.03.06 # ...as long as you dont ask for support... 11.03.09 # ;) 11.03.12 # * Mouser_X uses an unsupported build. 11.03.16 # It has MOD support. 11.03.16 Nick scorche` is now known as scorche (n=_@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 11.03.32 Part linuxstb ("Leaving") 11.03.38 # why do you think i showed upo!! shit, forgot to ask for full speed DS emulation! damn! 11.03.42 # gigabeats here have GBS support =P 11.03.54 # Lucky. 11.04.02 # all the talk about pokemon, and i forgot! 11.04.02 # a new codec? 11.04.08 # Yes. 11.04.12 # HCS is working on it. 11.04.17 # hcs has been 11.04.26 # Mouser_X: are you sure you arent here? =P 11.04.28 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 11.04.31 # * scorche looks around for cameras 11.04.36 # Heh. 11.04.44 # HCS talked about it in #usf 11.04.48 # HCS is not working on it. HCS is half asleep 11.04.49 # ah 11.05.02 # Also, I helped him test various GB cores, to find which one to port. 11.05.04 # But it's too slow for other targets at the moment? 11.05.09 # Yes. 11.05.18 # It doesn't even run on coldfire targets. 11.05.19 # crashed on coldfire 11.05.21 # Anyone tested the speed in test_codec? 11.05.27 # not yet 11.05.42 # linuxstb: good to have that plugin now 11.05.46 # I'm sure there's room for improvement. 11.06.06 # wants to get it working on other targets atm...not realtime on ipod, and as we said, crashes on coldfire 11.06.11 # markun: Indeed, I couldn't live without it now. 11.06.33 # * linuxstb wonders how Soap's test track is coming along 11.06.48 # for mpegplayer? 11.06.55 # he is asleep atm 11.06.56 # No, an audio test track 11.07.07 # One that we can run in test_codec for all codecs on all devices 11.07.12 # ah...no clue then...we have been working on other things 11.07.51 Join AceNik_ [0] (n=AceNik@203.145.159.41) 11.08.31 # hey guys, i made a build yesterday, & all the plugins on execution show "incompatible version" 11.08.48 # AceNik_: did you install it correctly 11.09.07 # yup like i always do , im not new to this 11.09.14 # "correctly" means to do "make zip" and then unzip that file to your device. 11.09.29 # linuxstb: I still think track 2 could be nice: http://www.archive.org/details/motomotomoto_flac 11.09.33 # does it make a different to patch plugins everytime you compile 11.09.47 # yes i did unzip n make zip 11.10.09 # linuxstb: A test track for all codecs would be difficult, unless you exclude the emulated audio formats. 11.10.21 # the only think bein , i have a sokoban plugin patch, i didnt repath it , just did a make 11.10.39 # Mouser_X: we'll exclude them as we don't have an encoder for them anyway 11.10.44 # markun: I don't really care any more - I just want a track so I can start benchmarking ;) We should point Soap to that track, see what he says. 11.10.57 # Mouser_X: Of course. I meant "normal" codecs... 11.11.20 # markun: I can provide an ADX encoder. 11.11.33 # ok 11.11.54 # AceNik_: I don't understand what you mean by "patch plugins everytime you compile" 11.11.58 # AceNik_: you don't have to reapply the patch every time you compile 11.12.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.12.33 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.dsl.t-2.net) 11.12.45 # then i dont unmderstand why i get "incompatible version" 11.12.47 # AceNik_: do you have a rockbox.whatever file in the root of your player? 11.12.54 # yup 11.13.00 # delete it 11.13.09 # linuxstb: hm, the songs ends in silence, so that should be cut off 11.13.17 # markun: Yep. 11.13.21 # the rockbox.mi4 , delete it ? you sure 11.13.32 # Do you also have a rockbox.mi4 in the .rockbox folder? 11.14.14 # no sorry i only have it in the rockbox folder 11.14.41 # ADX encoder (I don't know how recent/what version this is...): http://files.filefront.com/ADX_encoder/;3627398;/fileinfo.html 11.15.07 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@81.168.46.192) 11.15.21 # AceNik_: okay, then do a 'make' then 'make zip' and unzip it to your player again 11.16.23 # n1s:ok ill try that again now , gimme soem time , ill probably do asvn revert n re patch everythin, cause im bored of doing it again n again , wnna do it fresh once n for all 11.16.43 # markun, linuxstb: Here's the ADX Encoder that I downloaded. I'm pretty sure this one is the most recent version: http://www.newwavemugen.com/~aokmaniac13/adxencd.exe 11.17.44 # (In case you want to make a test track for ADX as well as the other "normal" codecs.) 11.20.05 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 11.22.03 Quit rift_ ("d'accord") 11.22.57 Join Joely [0] (n=rockdev@206.228.104.195) 11.28.24 # what do you type to et fonts in your buld "make fullzip" 11.28.39 # yes 11.28.39 # ? 11.28.52 # hey how r u ? 11.28.57 # fine :) 11.31.16 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 11.33.03 Quit Vortex375 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.33.46 # g'night folks 11.35.17 Part Llorean 11.36.20 Join ackbahr [0] (n=ackbahr@d213-103-141-191.cust.tele2.ch) 11.39.17 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A96F1D.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.44.01 Join freqmod [0] (n=freqmod@93.80-203-96.nextgentel.com) 11.46.10 # guys i recompiled my whole build , plugins still show incompatible version please help 11.46.49 # Did you start with a clean build directory? 11.47.00 # yup deleted it fully 11.47.15 # new build fresh , patched again 11.47.23 # AceNik_: hmm, could you try an official build from rockbox.org? 11.47.28 # do you get this for all plugins? 11.47.47 # yup 11.48.21 # AceNik_: check that you don't have two rockbox.mi4 files. There should only be one inside .rockbox on your player. 11.48.33 # no i dont 11.48.41 # Also make sure that you overwrite everything in the .rockbox folder when you extract your zip files. 11.48.56 # i deleted the earlier build 11.49.09 # So you deleted the .rockbox folder and then extracted a new build? 11.49.21 # & extracted this new one , also did the "hold button clear settings" 11.49.30 # yes 11.50.08 # Did you try deleting the .rockbox folder from your player before extracting the new one? 11.50.43 # thats what i said i did, i deleted the whole rockbox folder n extracted a new one 11.50.59 # AceNik_: did you try an official build? 11.51.16 # And to build Rockbox, you're typing "../tools/configure ; make ; make zip" ? 11.51.19 # no , but ill try one now 11.51.36 # yup linuxstb im not new, to this buddy 11.51.52 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@dslb-088-072-227-225.pools.arcor-ip.net) 11.53.08 # im trying a current build now 11.53.45 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 11.53.50 Part kaaloo 11.56.52 Quit ackbahr ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.12/2007050813]") 11.59.20 # AceNik_: What patch(es) are you applying? 11.59.36 # do you wants links to them or names? 11.59.38 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484912E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 11.59.50 # Links would be useful. 12.00.07 # k hold on please 12.00.36 Quit maffe (Remote closed the connection) 12.00.39 # If you're building and installing correctly, then the only problem left is that one of your patches is breaking something. 12.01.03 # ya i thought of that , but didnt know which could it be 12.01.26 # H10 smoth scroll: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6678 12.01.41 # You could start with a clean build, then apply the patches one by one to find the one that breaks it. 12.01.47 # html parser:http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7114 12.01.52 Quit ompaul (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.02.03 # Compiling your own clean build will also confirm that the patches are the issue. 12.02.08 # none of them break it, all apply smooth with all hunks succeeded 12.02.21 # i did compile a clean buil 12.02.21 # Just because they apply doesn't mean they're not broken. 12.02.35 # pong:http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5855 12.02.58 # random album:http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6960 12.03.07 # And a clean build you compiled yourself worked? 12.03.11 # sokoban: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6702 12.03.33 # full screen logo : i dont have the link yet 12.03.34 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 12.03.44 Quit maffe (Remote closed the connection) 12.04.11 # no i have to still compile a clean , build , but i did reptch n recompile thouh 12.04.38 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul) 12.07.13 # linuxstb: i guess it is possible all the plugins , patches gone wrong , cause over the past few days , there has been a commit "some memory wrapper" that has changed the way plugins function , i think all the patches of plugins become redundant 12.08.00 # No, that shouldn't affect things . The memory wrapper macro is only needed if a plugin fails to compile (with errors about memset or memcpy). 12.08.18 # then what could be the problem ? 12.09.05 # I would start by compiling a clean build - to determine if the problem is your build environment/installation or if the problem is definitely with one or more of your patches. 12.09.29 # ok im doing that now 12.10.01 # whats the thing where you build with " -Os" for memory wrapper 12.13.28 # Is there any productive result of the devcon west? 12.15.20 # It's been concluded that Chimnay Red is tastier than Chimnay Blue. Also, a gameboy sound codec is in the process of being written. 12.16.04 # linuxstb: thats cool, cause this squeekin in the ear was hurting in gameboy 12.16.17 # It's nothing to do with Rockboy. 12.16.39 # then? 12.16.42 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 12.16.49 # It's a codec to play .gbs sound files. 12.16.58 # (IIUC) 12.21.57 Join jurrie__ [0] (n=jurrie@c-67-191-167-178.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 12.22.28 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 12.23.22 Part maffe 12.23.43 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 12.36.04 Join MySic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 12.40.31 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54965651.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.41.23 Quit jurrie_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.42.13 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 12.45.59 Quit AceNik_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.56.21 Join peppo [0] (n=slumpmas@c-9770e155.41-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 12.56.40 Join AceNik_ [0] (n=AceNik@203.145.159.42) 12.57.03 # linuxstb: it worked finally , it was the HTML parser plugin patch 12.57.11 # now everything working fine 12.57.16 # thanks 12.57.33 # I have a little question. I've been using my Rockbox iPod (5.5g, 80gb) with GNU/Linux, and I've had no problems. however, when I tried to connect it to a friend's Windows XP computer, the machine froze, and after 5-10 minutes said that the device had to be formatted to work with iTunes/Windows. what gives? the device is fat32 after all... 12.59.42 Quit AceNik_ (Client Quit) 13.00.56 # Maybe the filesystem is corrupt, and the computer was trying to do a virus scan on it? 13.02.11 # Bagder: Around? 13.02.31 # or maybe itunes doesn't like rockboxed ipods 13.03.12 # It seems quite common for itunes to say that about ipods, but I've no idea what the cause is... 13.06.07 # iTunes works fine with my 5.5G rockboxed iPod 13.12.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.15.22 # weird. I'd really like to be able to transfer files to my girlfriend's windows machine 13.15.28 # it refuses to mount it 13.19.27 # How can I launch the Quick Screen on a Sansa? 13.20.01 # It's normally a long-press on whatever button brings up the menu 13.20.57 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@e180227226.adsl.alicedsl.de) 13.27.19 Quit spiorf (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 13.28.00 Part maffe 13.28.22 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 13.29.59 Quit The-Compiler (Remote closed the connection) 13.33.00 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.33.09 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@dslb-088-072-227-225.pools.arcor-ip.net) 13.36.40 Quit safetydan (Remote closed the connection) 13.37.05 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 13.37.47 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host96-215-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 13.56.48 Quit Jon-Kha (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.01.47 Quit Rondom ("bbl") 14.04.22 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A96F1D.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.05.29 Join Jon-Kha [0] (n=Jon-Kha@a91-152-87-243.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 14.05.59 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 14.17.40 Nick jurrie__ is now known as jurrie (n=jurrie@c-67-191-167-178.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 14.23.08 Join entheh [0] (n=purr@88-106-132-0.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 14.25.17 Quit MySic ("Miranda IM! 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I guess I'll just wait it out then. 15.00.54 Quit jurrie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.02.09 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@host.91-92-172-170.airbites.bg) 15.06.34 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 15.10.51 Join TTSbox [0] (n=OzgurOzt@ppp-69-223-173-23.dsl.wotnoh.ameritech.net) 15.12.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.21.07 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007060115]") 15.22.23 Quit TTSbox ("Leaving") 15.22.36 Join TTSbox [0] (n=OzgurOzt@ppp-69-223-173-23.dsl.wotnoh.ameritech.net) 15.23.50 # yawn 15.50.38 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 15.50.52 Part kaaloo 15.54.13 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@83.233.231.172) 16.05.42 Quit Entasis_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.06.07 Join gloriousjob [0] (n=glorious@dialup-4.238.6.246.Dial1.Orlando1.Level3.net) 16.11.20 # hi, would anyone know how well rockbox works with podcasts? 16.11.37 # specifically if it works with arranging them according to date or even listing the date of the podcast 16.13.55 Quit gloriousjob ("Leaving") 16.14.52 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@206.228.104.195) 16.16.19 Join Robin0800 [0] (n=Robin080@cpc5-brig8-0-0-cust142.brig.cable.ntl.com) 16.17.23 Join gkahla [0] (n=gkahla@adsl-69-148-209-212.dsl.bumttx.sbcglobal.net) 16.17.49 Quit gkahla (Client Quit) 16.19.26 Quit JdGordon (Remote closed the connection) 16.20.16 # TTSbox: hi 16.25.39 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 16.26.42 Join Soap [0] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 16.28.49 Quit Robin0800 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.35.49 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 16.37.43 # yawn 16.37.46 # oops, 16.37.53 # slow morning? 16.38.36 # very 16.45.38 Join PaulJam [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3114.gwdg.de) 16.47.10 Join Robin0800 [0] (n=Robin080@cpc5-brig8-0-0-cust142.brig.cable.ntl.com) 16.54.45 # my internet is so slow now, it was faster to compile all 3 cross-compilers than it is to do a full svn co! 17.07.02 Part toffe82 17.07.09 Quit idnar (Nick collision from services.) 17.07.11 Join idnar_ [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 17.11.00 Join toffe82 [0] (n=pocketir@206.228.104.195) 17.12.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.13.32 Part toffe82 17.16.02 Nick JdGordon is now known as JdG|ZZzz (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 17.17.45 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@206.228.104.195) 17.17.55 Join gkahla [0] (n=gkahla@adsl-69-148-209-212.dsl.bumttx.sbcglobal.net) 17.18.43 # question: accidentally entered "Recording" mode on my 5th gen video ipod - how do I get it to return to the main menu? 17.21.09 # menu + select ? long press on menu ? long press on select ? (I don't have a clue) 17.23.21 Quit midgey (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.23.51 Join Buschel [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3F2D7.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.28.50 # long menu doesn't work 17.28.56 Join jaczehack [0] (n=d572f7b8@91.191.140.131) 17.29.07 # menu+select doesn't work 17.29.33 # long select doesn't work 17.29.37 # spoot 17.29.54 # thing's not responding to being plugged in either 17.30.28 # long play ? 17.30.33 # (that'll shut it down) 17.30.39 # works on my ipod 17.30.43 # give me a moment 17.30.52 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@pD9EB13A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.31.29 # long play doesn't work either - hence my concern 17.31.48 # long menu + select should force a reboot (that's hardware controlled) 17.31.59 # menu + center works always thogh 17.32.02 # let's give that a shot 17.32.39 # long menu + select has rebooted it!! hurrah! 17.33.46 # now to sort out how to create playlists... thanks for the recommendations, dionoea and DerPapst 17.34.24 Quit jaczehack ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 17.36.33 # :) 17.40.30 # thanks again folks - I'm learning slowly... 17.40.38 Quit gkahla ("Leaving") 17.51.39 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@206.228.104.194) 17.55.20 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 17.58.28 # Any news on when the news feeds might be working again? I might have missed it in the logs... 17.59.30 Join Arathis_ [0] (n=doerk@p54848412.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.07.44 Join rotator [0] (n=e@rockbox/developer/rotator) 18.08.20 # So, my rockbox'd iPod doesn't display that text anymore on bootup - did I install a weird version of the bootloader? (iPod 5G) 18.08.24 Join ZxEfR [0] (n=zxefr@c75-111-8-193.amrlcmta01.tx.dh.suddenlink.net) 18.08.29 # I last installed the bootloader maybe... several months ago 18.09.12 # "that text"? 18.09.42 # As in, "loading rockbox..." 18.09.50 # or "loading original firmware..." 18.09.59 # I have the apple logo, period, until either firmware boots 18.10.23 # I didn't even notice it was missing until I was playing with my friend's 30gig 5G and saw it again 18.10.29 # Overand: i think it now only shows the text if you press "left" while booting.. 18.10.34 # ahh. 18.10.35 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 18.10.42 # Maybe *he's* running the old one. 18.10.49 # to have a nicer booting :-) 18.11.11 # Overand: then your friend should update :-) 18.11.23 # well, the weird thing is he's only had said iPod for ~2 weeks or so 18.11.47 # Then he installed an outdated or unofficial bootloader 18.12.01 # The main one doesn't update the LCD unless certain buttons are pressed, or something goes wrong 18.12.15 # This makes it look a bit nicer (in the opinions of some of us), and slightly speeds up boot (I think) 18.15.01 # Bagder: Is it known that none of the news feeds for the ML (or Flyspray) are working? Or have they moved from gmane.org? 18.15.49 Quit Arathis (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.16.52 # Flyspray's feed isn't on gmane, is it? 18.17.00 # It's part of flyspray 18.17.04 # * Llorean thought, at least 18.17.08 # Yes, well it used to be readable there 18.17.43 # Ah, so it's not the flyspray feed, its the gmane feed of the flyspray feed? 18.17.55 # gmane.comp.systems.archos.rockbox.sourceforge 18.18.08 # A couple of misnomers in there... ;) 18.18.19 # The flyspray feed is http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/feed.php?feed_type=rss2&project=1 18.18.32 # I don't do RSS yet. 18.18.58 # Guess I should do, but am happy with the NG feed. 18.19.21 # I'm not really fond of the formatting on the gmane one, when you try to use it as RSS. 18.22.11 Quit DerPapst ("So Long And Thanks For All The Fish!") 18.26.06 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@pD9EB13A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.29.58 Join otih [0] (n=otih@p54A4F13D.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.31.11 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 18.31.28 Part peppo ("part") 18.35.42 # on sansas, which partition are the files on ? sd.1 or sd.2 ? 18.35.47 # (i don't own a sansa :( ) 18.36.17 # sd1, if I recall 18.36.27 # The hidden partition is the second one, if memory serves 18.36.31 Quit Arathis_ ("Bye, bye") 18.36.47 # ok, thanks 18.37.08 # I'll commit my rbutil patch and see if anyone complains :) 18.37.26 # * Domonoky sees rbutil ... 18.38.03 # dionoea: whitch patch ? 18.38.09 # just commited 18.43.42 # * DerPapst looks a 220 points 18.44.11 # nvm 18.44.13 # :) 18.44.19 # Yep, fixed that... :) 18.44.36 # dionoea: so it guesses the mount point and prefills it on Linux and Mac ? 18.44.44 # linux only 18.44.55 # mac doesn't have a /proc/mounts 18.45.00 # okey.. 18.46.24 # and windows must be easy using some MS api ... but i don't use windows 18.47.34 # Wooh, Flyspray gives a nice list of warnings/errors when you add a comment .... :/ 18.47.35 # MS API is strange, i dont call that easy :-) 18.47.54 # "Warning: mime_magic: invalid type 0 in mconvert(). in /usr/share/flyspray/htdocs/includes/class.flyspray.php on line 967" 18.48.15 # "Fatal error: 18.48.16 # Uncaught Error of type [swift_connection_exception] with message [The SMTP connection is not alive and cannot be read from. (fsockopen: #) ]" 18.53.56 # dionoea: i see a copy an paste bug in your patch.. 18.54.09 # where ? 18.54.13 # sansa cant work, you took the diskname of the ipod.. :-) 18.54.20 # oops :) 18.54.26 # in the AutoDetect function .. 18.55.03 # you should also add yourself in the credits.h file 18.55.30 # otherwise your patch is fine, go one and work more on rbutil :-) 18.55.31 # I'll do that next time i change stuff 18.57.15 Nick idnar_ is now known as idnar (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 18.58.07 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@131-119.0-85.cust.bluewin.ch) 18.58.47 Quit tim (Nick collision from services.) 19.04.43 Join webguest19 [0] (n=0cdaf6d1@91.191.140.131) 19.04.52 Quit webguest19 (Client Quit) 19.05.44 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 19.07.07 Quit petur ("more real life (tm)") 19.07.47 Join Faemir [0] (n=daniel@85-211-211-222.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk) 19.07.50 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 19.08.02 Join lukaswayne9 [0] (n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 19.08.05 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@81.168.46.192) 19.08.40 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=steve-o@adsl-66-139-217-161.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 19.12.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.14.02 Join major_works [0] (n=a08e9562@gw01.penton.com) 19.14.55 # Pondlife: I'm having problems compiling due to pcm_playback.c I get a syntax error in line 328. 19.16.55 Quit darkless ("Leaving") 19.16.57 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 19.18.14 # major_works: Have you tried to compile without whatever patches you're using, cleanly? 19.18.34 # I'll try that next and see what happens. 19.18.48 # I know patches are problems at times. 19.19.25 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 19.22.01 # Llorean: One thing I can say is that none of the patches I typically apply touch that file. 19.24.18 # major_works: have you updated your source after pondlifes commit? 19.24.43 # Yes, it was brand-fresh checked-out source. 19.25.08 Quit DerPapst (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19.25.12 # To Llorean's point, I did apply patches before compiling but as I'd said, none of them alter that file. 19.25.24 # major_works: And the build table is green 19.25.38 # So either it's your patches, or some difference between your setup and the official one. 19.25.45 # Yes, I see that. I know there are all kinds of interdependencies. 19.26.15 # But of course, I suspect you're not actually SVN current 19.26.42 # I just trashed my entire source tree and am checking out fresh SVN. 19.27.02 # major_works: That was the error my commit fixed 19.27.15 # Hopefully you just missed it :) 19.27.29 # Maybe that's the case... you just did that fix real recently, yes? 19.27.34 # Yes 19.27.43 # OK... I'll be back in a few. 19.30.01 # pondlife: thanks for fixing it :) 19.30.16 # I was planning to move the pnx0101 stuff to the target tree 19.30.24 # markun: Thanks for giving me something to fix :p 19.31.22 # I could probably break a few more things if you want 19.37.02 # Pondlife: OK, with clean, fresh SVN, the compiler sailed past pcm_playback.c with no problems. 19.37.10 # Thanks to all for your help. 19.38.06 # major_works: sorry for breaking it.. 19.38.45 Quit hcs ("Leaving.") 19.39.35 Quit pondlife ("disconnected has pondlife") 19.46.19 # markun: You did see the size increase from the metadata split? :) 19.50.01 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-090-135.pools.arcor-ip.net) 19.50.48 Join Mark_ [0] (n=chatzill@host86-134-211-109.range86-134.btcentralplus.com) 19.52.28 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 19.52.31 Quit TTSbox (Connection timed out) 19.52.42 # Lear: I did, any suggestions what I can do about it? 19.53.31 Nick Mark_ is now known as Redbreva (n=chatzill@host86-134-211-109.range86-134.btcentralplus.com) 19.54.17 # Not really. I guess it's mainly a question of the complier being able to do various kinds of inline-related optimizations. 19.55.04 # yes, I was already thinking about turning the helper functions in metadata_common into inlines 19.55.06 Join lape [0] (i=laperyx@dsl-132-212.aei.ca) 19.55.08 # who can tell me how / where themes are loaded? 19.55.37 # settings - browse themes 19.57.01 # I don't think he's asking about that :) 19.57.23 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 19.57.32 # lostlogic: are you? 19.57.50 Quit lukaswayne9 ("Ex-Chat") 19.57.54 # lostlogic: afaik, a theme is just a .cfg file, so it's loaded like any other .cfg 19.58.11 # ... in the settings code somewhere... 19.59.09 Join printfXh4 [0] (n=pseudo@ppp121-45-252-10.lns2.bne4.internode.on.net) 19.59.12 # Does anyones know if there's any codecs for playin xvid/divx on ipod 30Gb? 19.59.18 # linuxstb_: cool, nothing special. 19.59.28 # lape: there isn't 19.59.47 # lape: there's only http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer 20.00.07 # theres only mpeg1 & 2 pluggins... 20.00.39 # Sorry! 20.00.39 # do you know why? 20.00.51 # lape: and there is this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2848 20.00.56 # Because no-one has written one... 20.01.09 # lape: are you a coder? 20.01.10 # And also, it's very likely to be even slower than the mpegplayer. 20.01.30 # linuxstb_: but it's what people seem to want :) 20.01.44 # markun: I wouldn't be upset if someone wrote one... 20.01.58 # me neither, but I'm not planning to do it 20.02.11 # markun: no coder at all....but I wish 20.05.06 Quit scorche (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference") 20.05.59 # lape: but even if you could playback xvid you would have to reencode to the right size 20.06.36 # * linuxstb_ wonders how life is in Las Vegas today... 20.07.06 # quiet ;) 20.07.10 Quit Faemir (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.07.20 # toffe82: most have left? 20.07.26 # risky 20.07.34 # no still everybody here 20.09.30 # i'm here :P 20.11.17 # linuxstb_: We have inspired what may be a pleasant surprise. No hints until it's done though, there's some active work going on on it. 20.15.59 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 20.18.45 Quit entheh ("^~") 20.21.44 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 20.22.41 Join entheh [0] (n=purr@88-106-132-0.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 20.23.55 Part maffe 20.24.10 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 20.26.40 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 20.28.19 Join toffe82_ [0] (n=chatzill@206.228.104.195) 20.30.33 Part toffe82_ 20.34.51 Part Llorean 20.37.20 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.42.41 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.46.08 Quit major_works ("major_works has left the building...") 20.53.33 Quit Soap ("Leaving") 20.54.05 # is the middle-button from a sansa e200 press-able? 20.54.32 Quit Joely ("Leaving.") 21.03.32 Part hcs 21.03.56 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 21.06.46 # The-Compiler: huh? I don't understand the question. You can press it and software can detect the press. 21.06.56 Nick jurrie_ is now known as jurrie (n=jurrie@adsl-068-209-041-021.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) 21.08.22 # On http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart it is written that the sansa has 6 Buttons. But it has 8 buttons (the four navigation-buttons, center, rec and power) plus a scrollwhel 21.08.42 # jurrie: I ask because I haven't a sansa and I was not sure 21.08.55 Join Gimblefish [0] (n=user@80-192-166-17.cable.ubr01.blac.blueyonder.co.uk) 21.09.26 # ah.... yup, the 4 directions + power + record + scroll left + scroll right 21.10.13 Join otih_ [0] (n=otih@p54A4D5C2.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.10.43 # things in the GUI are a bit inconsistent at the moment. Some places use the power button to go to a menu, sometimes it's the down button (which has a menu graphic on it), and I think I recall at least one plugin which uses the record button 21.11.44 # likewise, some plugins as well as the core allow the user to scroll & wrap around menus/lists, while others don't 21.11.59 Quit Gimblefish (Client Quit) 21.12.21 Quit ptw419 () 21.12.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.13.38 Join Gimblefish [0] (n=me@80-192-166-17.cable.ubr01.blac.blueyonder.co.uk) 21.15.27 # Does anybody know if I can use Rockbox to disable the HOLD button? 21.16.13 # On an ipod 21.16.24 # You mean use the buttons whilst the hold switch is on? 21.17.37 # yeah, it's been stuck for months. I can't unlock the ipod without taking the back off and bending the whole circuit board 21.18.16 # No, it's a hardware hold switch - Rockbox doesn't know that buttons are being pressed if the hold switch is on. 21.18.51 # damn... 21.19.28 # So it's still just an expensive flash drive.. thanks ayway 21.19.28 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 21.20.25 # Gimblefish: why do you need to bend the cicuit board? 21.22.17 Join Guile` [0] (n=Guile@84.4.28.203) 21.22.34 # markun: It's the only way to get the thing to unlock and respond anything. Pulling the little black switch 'should' be enough but.. 21.22.45 Quit desowin ("use linux") 21.23.12 Part maffe 21.23.14 # So it doesn't stay unlocked? 21.23.31 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 21.24.05 # No it's locked all the time except for a few seconds when you twist the ipod just right 21.24.48 # Maybe a remote would work (not in Rockbox though). 21.25.29 # A remote for an ipod nano? 21.25.38 # I don't quite follow 21.25.54 # I'm sure you can buy wired remotes that plug into the dock connector. 21.26.37 # That overide the lockinging mechanism? 21.27.51 Quit otih (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.28.03 # I would expect so - it would make sense to be able to put the main unit on hold which using a remote. 21.28.32 # ^whilst using a remote. 21.28.58 # I've found what you may mean on apple.com... you know that might work 21.29.40 # I've never used a remote with an ipod though, so can't say for sure it will work for you... 21.29.43 Quit freqmod (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.30.09 # thanks a lot ;) 21.30.14 # I'll look into that 21.31.27 Join Tachikoma [0] (n=Tachikom@fl-71-53-129-3.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) 21.31.58 # how do i change the boot picture in rockbox? 21.32.26 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]") 21.33.55 # You need to modify the source code, replace the image, and compile your own build of Rockbox. 21.34.39 # blah 21.34.56 # hmm 21.35.35 # which compiler? 21.35.54 # gcc 21.36.06 Quit Gimblefish (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.36.11 # ok 21.36.14 # Either arm-elf-gcc, m68k-elf-gcc or sh-elf-gcc, depending on which kind of player you're using. 21.36.52 # i am trying to do this from windows 21.36.55 # If you download the Rockbox source code, there's a script (tools/rockboxdev.sh) which will install any or all of those compilers for you. 21.38.01 Quit The-Compiler (Remote closed the connection) 21.38.28 # There are lots of instructions in the wiki - e.g. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform 21.38.56 # (that comes with the compilers installed) 21.39.18 # can someone with windows and an ipod test this rbutil version ? www.b23.org/~domonoky/rbutil.zip 21.40.08 # test if the autodetection button still works, and if you try to install rockbox, if the "mount point" is correctly prefilled ? 21.40.26 # * Domonoky needs feedback .. !!! :-) 21.40.39 # How are you finding the drive letter? 21.40.42 Join webguest01 [0] (n=1847df8c@91.191.140.131) 21.40.48 Quit Buschel () 21.40.48 # hi 21.40.53 # linuxstb_: windows api magic :-) 21.41.03 Quit webguest01 (Client Quit) 21.41.13 # * n1s builds rockbox with the latest gcc 4.3 snapshot, gets hard freeze on startup :-) 21.41.21 # i can also get the vendor and product id, to make a better detection.. but first this :-) 21.41.48 # Domonoky: Is it independent to ipodpatcher's detection? 21.41.49 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@p54BD4EC4.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.42.24 # linuxstb: yes, completely independed, so it coud find another usb drive letter, its just a guess.. 21.43.09 Quit _Veseliq_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.43.23 # the linux version of "finding the mountpoint" uses the diskname which ipodpatcher delivers, but i couldnt use this on windows.. 21.43.27 Quit Tachikoma ("KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'") 21.44.22 # OK, because I have a feeling the new --format option in ipodpatcher isn't going to work because the drive is normally mounted. If I can find the drive letter, I think I can unmount it. 21.45.54 # Domonoky: oh! you added the windows auto detect code? 21.46.14 # jeah i am coding at it.. 21.46.23 # cool :) 21.46.39 # i hope you dont add code there at the moment, because i completely restructed the autodetection.. 21.47.19 # if someone can tell me if the version i posted works on windows with ipod, i commit it :-) 21.47.53 # linuxstb_: can we distinguish the ipods via the product and vendor id ? 21.48.06 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B17B8F.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.48.06 # I've no idea. 21.48.07 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.48.18 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B17B8F.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.48.20 # I think there's a wiki page with product/vendor ids on though. 21.48.23 # if so, i can give you code to get the drive letter reliably.. ( i think ) 21.48.52 # thats also the next step for rbutil, but i think there are conflicts in the ids .. 21.49.13 # Yes, seems they do have unique ids - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceDetection 21.49.39 # mini first and second gen clash.. 21.50.24 # all archos are not detectable but, otherwise it could work nice.. 21.50.33 # Just noticed that... Time for someone to unify the two mini builds ;) 21.50.43 # :-) 21.51.05 # I guess where ids are not unique, you can just give the user a reduced drop-down list to select from. 21.51.43 # From the drive letter, is it possible to determine the physical drive? 21.51.59 # (i.e. what ipodpatcher searches for) 21.52.03 # Domonoky: i'll give your thing a try on windows. 2 secs 21.52.14 # * dionoea uninstalls iTunes 21.52.52 # not with the code i have.. 21.53.05 # Yes that's possible 21.53.29 # linuxstb: Btw, I juist verified that the G5.5 has the same device id as the G5 21.54.29 # * amiconn wonders whether there are ipods with PID 1202, 1206, 1207, 1208 21.55.18 # i think getting pid and vid under linux is easy, but i dont know about OSX .. 21.57.42 # amiconn: Thanks, I've updated that wiki page. 21.58.56 # Domonoky: doesn't work ;-( 21.59.11 # autodetected it as D: instead of J: (IIRC D: is default in the code) 21.59.37 # but it detected the ipod ? 21.59.42 # yup 22.00.15 # good, then i can commit, its not worse than before.. 22.00.28 # and it enables future work on this.. :-) 22.00.28 # but it's not better :) 22.02.27 Join ComputinChuck [0] (n=nate@cpe-24-221-40-82.az.sprintbbd.net) 22.03.09 # hey, i just installed rockbox this morning on my ipod video and i've made it freeze somehow. is there any way to hard reset or force a reset? 22.03.31 # long press on select + menu 22.04.26 # ok, cool 22.05.14 # thanks 22.05.22 # you're welcome 22.08.00 Join tumu [0] (n=tumu@GYKMCDLXXXI.dsl.saunalahti.fi) 22.09.12 # anyone seen "undefined instruction at 00000420" crashes on sansa when updating database? 22.09.19 # tumu like "the tumu" ? :) 22.09.26 # hi dionoea :) 22.09.28 # the same 22.10.03 # dionoea, i haven't forgotten my promise 22.10.09 # long time no see ... we don't have any people who complain on #videolan anymore :p 22.10.16 # lol :D 22.10.59 # i should return there, just been busy with other things 22.11.20 # i just got interested on rockbox when i bought sansa 22.11.41 Quit ompaul ("testing") 22.13.38 # well, the crashes happen mainly when using initialize database and then trying to use the database option on main menu 22.13.55 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 22.13.56 # using init db and then update db seems to workaround it 22.14.25 # sort of 22.14.40 # it doesn't regen the db everytime 22.14.46 # Anyone used mpegplayer on an h120 recently? 22.15.01 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c6dd@91.191.140.131) 22.15.40 # Lear: Problems? 22.15.41 # for any gigabeat F owners, I bought that bestskinever thing and cut it for use on the F and it works great 22.16.03 # Yes, stack overflow (main). 22.16.06 # saratoga: for which player was it originally? 22.16.26 # they sell a generic one 22.16.32 # Haven't tried an official build though... 22.16.34 # so you can cut it to any shape 22.16.50 # i just cut out a rectangle for the back, and a square to cover the screen 22.17.08 # the + is unprotected, but I don't really mind if that gets scratched 22.17.16 # it was about 6 dollars shipped 22.18.25 # Lear: There's a 4608 byte array on the main stack, but that's all - the video and audio have their own threads (and stacks). 22.18.40 # No difference on the official build. 22.18.42 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@166.205.81.76) 22.18.48 # saratoga: is it glued to the case or something? 22.19.17 # yeah its kind of weird 22.19.29 # sheet of thin plastic, you went it and it becomes incredibly sticky 22.19.46 # slide it on and it locks in place, though you can pull it off again and it doesn't appear to leave glue 22.19.53 # not sure how it works, but i like it 22.20.48 # Lear: Can you try a daily build from before the -Os change? 22.21.18 # * linuxstb_ isn't sure why that would be a problem though... 22.23.13 # No difference on June 12 build. 22.23.21 Part lape 22.23.52 # Lear: Is this with the Elephant's Dream video? 22.24.04 # Yes, the one on the Wiki. 22.24.16 # I had no problem with a build from last night. 22.24.17 # Domonoky: * Copyright (C) 2008 Dominik Wenger 22.24.21 # Domonoky: TABs? Also, did you forget to commit the Makefile changes? 22.24.23 Quit maffe (Remote closed the connection) 22.24.23 # Are you from the future or something ? 22.24.32 # Llorean: Device? 22.24.43 # Gigabeat F 22.25.06 # SVN revision 13648 played through Elephant's Dream without a problem. 22.26.13 # I'm sure we would have heard if mpegplayer was broken on Colour targets... 22.26.20 Join AceNik_ [0] (n=AceNik@203.145.159.42) 22.26.50 # hey Domonoky how su 22.27.36 # join this channel please #rockbox-Ace 22.27.53 # does rbutil compile fine in cygwin? 22.28.18 # dionea: you need widgets too with it to compile first 22.28.23 # i use Code::Blocks, i dont know if it compiles in cygwin :-) 22.28.35 # sure you need wx 2.8 .. 22.28.49 # but i think the make file for this isnt up to date.. 22.29.22 # domonoky join the channel please i wanted to start on the gui for rbutil 22.29.40 # Why not discuss rbutil here? 22.30.16 # Llorean: Different cpu, and color LCD. Would be interesting to know if it works on an H320... 22.30.46 # linuxstb: well im a total noob with coding, ill embarass myself in public 22.30.50 # Domonoky: if you can compile a windows version with some debug output (like printf or something) i might be able to help pinpointing what fails 22.30.53 # Lear: Unfortunately, DevCon is lacking in color coldfire targets. 22.30.54 # Not ONE. 22.30.55 # :( 22.31.02 # Lear: will test 22.31.49 # Domonoky: btw, s/scann/scan/ in the comments 22.31.57 # dionoea: i am busy trying to make a detection via the usb ids, that i can test my self ( i have a h120 ) 22.33.34 # Lear: elephant's dream 224x176 works on h320 here 22.34.58 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 22.35.00 # Thanks. Looks like a grayscale issue then. But main thread just inits the grayscale lib, and that doesn't use much stack, AFAICS. 22.35.22 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 22.36.14 # Domonoky: btw, why don't you use the PhysicalDrive returned by the ipod detection code to find the logical drive letter ? 22.36.48 # dionoea: i dont know how .. if you have code, or a link.. tell me :-) 22.37.13 # I have a link to do the conversion the other way arround: http://www.blino.org/notes/windows/physicaldrive.html 22.37.21 # so i guess that the reverse can also be possible 22.37.33 Quit AceNik_ ("bye guys have fun , enjoy !!!!!") 22.39.56 # i do it this way, so i "only" have to query other info.. 22.40.02 # ok 22.40.04 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 22.40.38 Part maffe 22.40.51 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 22.42.29 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.45.01 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 22.46.28 Quit Siku () 22.47.04 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 22.47.14 Part kaaloo 22.47.44 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul) 22.48.04 Quit darkless (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.48.08 # Mapping from drive letter to physical drive is unambiguous, mapping from physical drive to drive letter is not 22.48.22 # ...because there can be more than one partition 22.48.46 Quit matsl (Client Quit) 22.48.49 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 22.49.32 # It's also possible to mount volumes on directories (*nix like) instead of assigning drive letters 22.49.49 # * amiconn wonders whether rbutil will handle that 22.50.12 # Yeah, I used to have Win2K doing that. 22.50.38 # only on ntfs tho 22.51.14 # how should rbutil handel this ? 22.52.05 # i think just no autodetection of the drive letter, let the user chose.. and you can chose a dir :-) 22.52.36 Join steveire [0] (n=stephen@unaffiliated/steveire) 22.52.57 # It should still be possible to autodetect in this case 22.53.44 # since we know the physical drive, can't we ask windows: "where is the second partition on this physical drive mounted" ? 22.53.47 # Hey. I have rockbox on my iAudio. The battery seems to drain a lot even when the player is powered off. (overnight etc.) Could this be a rockbox issue? 22.53.50 # I'm sure that they have apis for that 22.53.59 # You can also query volumes 22.54.37 Quit _pill (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.54.42 # then a windows guru have to do this :-) i dont know enough about win Api.. 22.55.08 # The nice thing about the windows api is that it's documented in a central place, msdn 22.55.09 Join TTSbox [0] (n=OzgurOzt@cpe-24-95-88-102.columbus.res.rr.com) 22.56.19 # but you need much time to find info, and to find out how this works :-) 22.56.48 Quit merbanan (Remote closed the connection) 22.57.17 # steveire: People generally experience equal or greater battery life with Rockbox. When did this problem start, and when did you install Rockbox? Have you tried restoring the original firmware and comparing battery lives? 22.57.24 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B148F6.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.59.51 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@i-83-67-214-206.freedom2surf.net) 22.59.54 # Llorean: I installed rockbox last week, the day I bought the player. I am going to replace the original firmware today and see if the problem persists. It's just that I saw here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioPort that power management is 10% complete. Not sure exactly what that means, so thought I'd ask. 23.01.44 # I believe that page is somewhat out of date. 23.02.01 # i think the iaudio power management could probably be put to 100% 23.02.14 # Ah. 23.02.21 # the 10% thing was probably from when the USBOTG was left on draining the battery 23.02.32 # though i'm not that familar with the X5 port 23.02.47 # It's probably in the 80-90 range I suspect 23.03.03 # I'll put it to 80% then? 23.03.12 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 23.03.24 # I'd suggest asking someone who's an iAudio dev first. 23.03.26 # Just to be sure 23.03.50 Join DataGhost [0] (i=dataghos@ip3e832ea5.speed.planet.nl) 23.03.58 # that would be amiconn right? 23.04.33 # I guess he'd be a good starting place 23.08.55 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]") 23.12.31 Join ptw419 [0] (i=ptw419@216-188-249-122.dyn.grandenetworks.net) 23.12.39 # saratoga: iaudio pm is definitely not 100% 23.12.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.13.10 # * Bagder poked the mail server 23.13.12 # Runtime is longer than with of, but charging still needs some work 23.13.53 Quit TTSbox (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.14.02 # Bagder: Have you seen the logs regarding Profont? 23.14.08 # Yeah. Actually what I think is happening is that the battery monitor is getting confused, and that's confusing me. My player just powered off because I had an 'empty battery'. When I power on again, it says it has an hour of playtime left. 23.14.22 # There may be license ambiguity, which would be unfortunate. 23.14.27 # oh 23.14.30 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.15.35 # log at what time? 23.15.42 # * amiconn always charges in the cowon loader because of this 23.15.48 # The problem lies in the term "freeware", mostly. The original author gave a new author permission to release it as freeware. It's then been released, and modified, but there doesn't seem to be a clear explicit license for the pcf font version that was needed to convert. 23.16.33 # what is profont anyway? 23.16.51 # Its a very, very nice very minimal font. 23.17.00 # It's particularly readable at very small font sizes for smaller screens. 23.17.00 # Commit! 23.17.05 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@212.204.47.129) 23.17.30 # And that was lostlogic finishing up our semi-surprise DevConW feature. 23.18.02 # Well, it was finished a bit ago but we did some live testing and "ooh, nifty" passing around. 23.18.25 Quit ompaul (Success) 23.18.32 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF597F.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.18.42 # amiconn: You reload the cowon firmware each time you want to charge the player? So you experience the same bug as me? 23.18.43 Join billytwowilly [0] (n=chris@S0106001346f5afbd.cg.shawcable.net) 23.18.50 # Bagder: Around 03:11 in today's log it seems. Ish. 23.19.24 # steveire: No, I just plug the charger when the iaudio is turned off -> it turns on and the cowon loader goes into charging mode 23.19.41 # No reloading of the full firmware necessary 23.19.47 # Bagder: I posted a link to the closest thing I could find to some license text at 2.48.50 23.19.58 # * amiconn didn't use the original firmware for anything 23.20.36 # amiconn: Oh, right. I think I've done that a couple of times. Didn't know it was relevant. The orig firmware is unusable. So do you experience the same bug as me? 23.20.44 # nope 23.21.27 # amiconn: any reason I shouldn't up the % complete on the iaudio power management from 10% to say 80%? 23.21.36 # It's just that rockbox may charge fast, slow or not at all. But when the battery is fully charged, it behaves as it should 23.21.40 # as i recall, battery life on that player is now somewhere around "amazing" 23.21.46 # amiconn: Hmmm. Do you think the issue is in representing the amount of battery power remaining, or could there be a real drain? 23.23.00 # amiconn: I played around with a snapshot of gcc4.3 and got it to build rockbox for h300 (which crashed before showing the logo) I thing I will go for a stable version tomorrow maybe any version you find especially interesting? 4.0/4.14.2 ? 23.24.19 # the profont "license" does not seem compatible with gpl, but then I don't think fonts need to be that 23.25.11 # it is also very sparse and leaves a few questions... 23.25.22 # It does seem to prohibit modification though. 23.25.48 Part n1s 23.26.04 # yes 23.26.35 # And we must include profontdoc.txt with any copies... 23.26.43 # yes 23.27.43 # And "modification" could be interpreted as conversion to .fnt ? 23.27.59 # that's one of the questions I think is very unclear 23.28.42 # It talks about "Profont Distribution", which it describes as containing 7 items... 23.30.28 # I would say he doesn't seem to want others to ship the font the way we do 23.30.44 # :( 23.30.56 # anyone tried emailing the guy? 23.31.05 # "If you have questions about redistribution, please contact..." 23.31.50 # * linuxstb afk 23.32.35 Quit davina_ (Remote closed the connection) 23.32.39 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 23.34.19 # Bagder: tried to find an email address for Andrew Welch but had difficulty 23.35.00 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 23.36.21 # I have to admit your tower of rockbox was impressively nice 23.36.42 Join pixelma_ [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 23.36.58 Quit pixelma (Nick collision from services.) 23.36.58 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 23.38.39 # Bagder: Until Scorche got overly ambitious 23.38.49 Quit midgey () 23.38.52 # haha 23.40.08 # no html zips today either... 23.40.14 # did they break? 23.40.26 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 23.40.42 # anyone know a tagger for windows that updates the genres for your songs. much like how musicbrainz works (it doenst do genre) 23.41.01 # imho, genre tags is useless anyway 23.41.29 # i use it for the database for moods and also so i can pick the genre of music i want 23.41.52 # doesnt have to be spot on but it's nice when you just wanna hear some stuff that's related in mood and sound 23.43.34 # i know how hard it is to classify music though 23.43.38 # Bagder: hey, wanted to run this by you. i modified the logo to say "open source mp3 player firmware" instead of "jukebox" firmware, since we now support like 500 other targets than the original jukeboxes. :) i got it to look very similar to the original: http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9408/rockbox4003ww6.png 23.43.54 # I don't like "MP3 player" 23.44.15 # digital audio player? 23.44.21 # I'd much prefer that 23.44.24 # I don't think of "jukebox" is strictly bound to a particular target 23.44.27 # Though it's just a "Llorean is nitpicky" kinda thing 23.44.35 # but to a box that plays songs 23.44.44 # * Llorean can agree with that too 23.44.48 # Bagder: nah, but .. well. i always associated it with the archoses, never really seemed to apply to the newer ones. 23.45.00 # Most people haven't heard of the newer ones, so don't get any confusion. ;) 23.45.03 # "open source audio player" 23.45.04 # Err, older ones 23.45.17 Part Domonoky 23.45.40 # the h300 has "multi codec jukebox" written on it. 23.45.59 # indeed it has 23.46.14 # ah, so it does. 23.46.18 # ... and after this, we can argue if it truly is a "firmware" in all cases... and if so, what exactly does "firmware" mean ;-) 23.46.27 # haha. 23.46.34 # well here it is with 'audio player'. http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/2346/rockbox4004hu9.png 23.46.38 # I have that debate regularly at work 23.46.39 # i agree its not really a firmware generally, but if we say software people will try and put it on a PC 23.47.04 # i like that one 23.47.05 # is rockbox really just an "audio player" ? ;-) 23.47.13 # hahaha 23.47.14 # ARGH! enough semantics! ;) 23.47.28 # we can update it once someone brings mpegplayer into the core 23.47.55 # haha. 23.49.53 # by the way Bagder, you better update the summary text on the main page then: "Rockbox is an open source replacement firmware for mp3 players." <-- ALERT! :) 23.50.29 # I've learned to accept the fact that it is never fully covering, whatever we say 23.50.38 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 23.51.41 # * Bagder runs off to try his pillow until morning 23.52.08 # Bagder: but you just complained about the logo that summarized it to "mp3 player" (which requires summarization, since there's limited space) but not on the main page where you can put thousands of words for a description if you wish? i don't mind if the logo's rejected, but say you don't like it rather than make up a half-excuse. :) 23.52.31 # I didn't complain on mp3 player 23.52.40 # I complained on MP3 player 23.53.31 # haha, right, and then bagder argued firmware. :E what's with audio player then? better, or is there simply no way to improve it over 'jukebox'? 23.53.51 # and I actually rather stay with the old original rather than trying to craft something new trying to be "accurate" when we really can't anyway so then I think the original wins for being original 23.53.57 # I'm really fine with jukebox or audio player, or anything that doesn't sound MP3 centric. 23.54.07 # I'm quite fine with the original 23.54.36 # but now I really am leaving, I'm sure we'll continue this later on as well ;-) 23.54.41 # Bagder: ok, i was just thinking it might be a little confusing for newer users. but then again i suppose our firmware isn't exactly oriented toward users unfamiliar with the concept of an mp3 player altogether. 23.54.42 # haha. 23.54.46 # night Bagder. 23.57.52 # Both cf iriver series have 'multi codec jukebox' written on them. Don't know about the h10 23.58.50 Quit TrueJournals (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))