--- Log for 26.06.107 Server: brown.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 10 days and 6 hours ago 00.00.08 # print out the pointer and make sure its being passed correctly? 00.00.13 # that usually the first thing I do 00.00.45 # I would expect it to either work, or to crash. I wouldn't expect it to do nothing... 00.00.48 # is there some easy way to do debug prints without the plugin_api interface? 00.00.50 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 00.00.52 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 00.00.53 # yeah, doing nothing was certainly nto expected 00.01.13 # if you're in the sim, theres DEBUGF 00.01.30 # Do the exact same rb->whatever calls work in your main .c file? 00.02.49 # yeah, i think it was the exact same call, i just copy and pasted, let me make sure 00.03.05 # yep 00.03.25 Join HellDragon [0] (i=JD@unaffiliated/helldragon) 00.03.59 Quit Domonoky_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.04.17 Join HellDragon_ [0] (i=JD@modemcable136.38-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) 00.04.27 Quit MySic (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.04.55 # doesn't DEBUGF use rb? actually it gives me rb undeclared because i named it something else in my second object file... 00.05.39 Quit HellDragon (Nick collision from services.) 00.05.43 Nick HellDragon_ is now known as HellDragon (i=JD@modemcable136.38-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) 00.06.10 Quit davina_ ("xchat on Ubuntu 7.04") 00.06.31 Quit Juice^ ("Leaving") 00.06.51 Quit atsea- (Remote closed the connection) 00.07.00 Join HellDragon_ [0] (i=JD@modemcable136.38-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) 00.07.38 Quit HellDragon (Nick collision from services.) 00.07.52 Nick HellDragon_ is now known as HellDragon (i=JD@modemcable136.38-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) 00.08.29 # mud-rockbox: I would just declare it "extern" in your other C files, and make it non-static in the main .c 00.09.02 # yeah that was actually how i had it before but i thought maybe linker didn't like that somehow. is that what static is supposed to mean, that you can't extern it somewhere else? 00.09.19 # yeah static means its local to your current file 00.09.33 # amoung other things 00.09.50 # static has to be one of the most overloaded keywords in any language 00.10.12 # yeah, i never remember what it means in C except the "make this global" part of it 00.10.26 Join atsea- [0] (i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-e40fb57b004152ba) 00.10.33 # oh good, the pointers are xactly the same and it still just doesn't do anything... 00.11.49 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 00.13.02 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.13.21 Quit obo ("bye") 00.20.25 Join Wiwie [0] (n=goddi@p5B098074.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 00.21.39 Join threekiloscocai [0] (n=smartmin@91.65.16.142) 00.21.43 # hello 00.21.54 # someone has experience with the albumart patch? 00.22.00 # PaulJam: are you already in the credits file? 00.22.00 # i patched the sourc 00.22.04 # compiled it 00.22.09 # but cant see any pics 00.22.37 # are you using a theme that supports album art? 00.22.48 # petur: no, unfortunately i have no realname. 00.22.49 # the wps needs to have special tags in it i'm pretty sure 00.22.50 Quit bdgraue (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.23.11 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.23.12 Quit matsl ("Leaving") 00.23.26 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@ACB30688.ipt.aol.com) 00.23.42 # PaulJam: bad luck for you then, that clock fix you pointed out is obvious so no credit eh? 00.23.42 # i tried a simple wps 00.23.45 # just a %C 00.23.50 # which should work i think 00.24.17 # i also tryed the iCatcher which should support it too 00.24.20 # but doestn work too 00.24.54 # petur: i'm already happy if the bugs get fixed. 00.25.22 # threek: no idea then. the patch application didn't get any errrors i assume? 00.25.42 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 00.26.05 # none 00.26.12 # PaulJam: that backlight setting thing must be fixed too before closing FS#7205? 00.26.44 # threek: you could try one of the custom builds that have album art to make sure you're not doing something wrong i guess? 00.28.31 # if something in the wpscode was wrong i'd get the standardwps, wouldnt i? 00.35.04 # do i have 2 active albumart somewhere? in a config or something else then the wps 00.36.03 # albumart is pretty much unsupported here (most devs don't know about it) 00.36.19 # afaik, you don't need to activate it 00.36.33 # well, at least its in the wiki, so i thought... 00.36.37 # maybe the graphics are the wrong format? 00.36.43 # is your album art still only a tag by any chance 00.36.52 # ? 00.37.01 # its a 24bit cover.bmp 00.37.05 # in the same dir as the file 00.37.24 # ok, no idea then (don't know much about it) 00.40.30 # data abort message is probably something like seg fault? 00.41.01 # or misaligned data 00.41.28 # oh, that might be it 00.41.47 # arm is like natural alignment or whatever that is? 1 aligned to 1, 2 to 2, 4 to 4, etc? 00.42.03 # yes 00.47.44 # well, the AlbumArt wiki page clearly says it's unofficial and unsupported ... 00.48.09 # but you could try building a sim and watch the output -- it might give you hints why a theme isn't working 00.53.55 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 00.58.14 # ok 00.58.20 # now i know he doesnt find the file 00.58.26 # the albumart bitmap 00.59.54 # strange 01.00.01 # at this one file he seems to find one 01.00.11 # but doesnt show it 01.00.37 Quit mirak (Remote closed the connection) 01.06.22 # good night at all :) 01.06.24 Quit DerPapst ("So Long And Thanks For All The Fish!") 01.07.58 Quit Wiwie ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 01.09.45 Quit petur ("Zzzzzz") 01.10.14 Quit sirnick72793 (Remote closed the connection) 01.16.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.25.23 Quit HellDragon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.26.04 Join HellDragon [0] (i=JD@unaffiliated/helldragon) 01.27.06 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 01.28.51 Quit threekiloscocai () 01.40.55 Quit PaulJam (".") 01.46.53 Join bagawk_ [0] (n=lee@unaffiliated/bagawk) 02.00.15 Quit bagawk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.01.38 Quit billytwowilly (Remote closed the connection) 02.01.47 Join bagawk [0] (n=lee@unaffiliated/bagawk) 02.01.56 Join billytwowilly [0] (n=chris@S0106001346f5afbd.cg.shawcable.net) 02.04.13 Quit entheh ("^~") 02.06.13 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 02.11.39 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=steve-o@adsl-64-217-219-154.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 02.14.55 Quit bagawk_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.18.30 Join darkless__ [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 02.20.59 Join webguest01 [0] (i=d9ad6e3a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-afb9bca7ba78bb09) 02.21.13 Quit webguest01 (Client Quit) 02.21.25 Join webguest03 [0] (i=d9ad6e3a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a8296c53c1f93749) 02.21.27 Quit webguest03 (Client Quit) 02.22.10 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 02.22.31 Part pixelma 02.23.21 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@194.219.240.150) 02.28.19 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.173.62) 02.34.45 Quit darkless_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.50.01 Quit Xerion (" ") 02.52.11 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 02.52.17 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 02.53.43 Join HellDragon_ [0] (n=JD@modemcable136.38-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) 02.55.01 Quit HellDragon (Nick collision from services.) 02.56.30 Nick HellDragon_ is now known as HellDragon (n=JD@modemcable136.38-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) 02.59.02 # People's quite messages are amusing. 03.08.16 Quit safetydan ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03.13.50 Part Joely 03.16.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.17.41 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 03.25.34 Quit mud-rockbox ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12") 03.30.03 Join kubiixaka [0] (n=Miranda@adsl-pha21-156-158-212.bluetone.cz) 03.34.25 # how do i drop rockbox into recover mode on the toshiba gigabeat? 03.36.06 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 03.37.15 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 03.37.21 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 03.39.35 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 03.45.49 Quit kubiix (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.53.18 Quit FOAD_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.03.51 # Echelon: It depends on the version of the Rockbox bootloader you have - either plug in USB before you turn it on, or hold MENU as it boots. 04.13.54 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@cpe-74-71-205-222.twcny.res.rr.com) 04.18.13 Quit darkless__ (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 04.26.08 Join darkless__ [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 04.36.21 Quit andrewg867 ("leaving") 04.36.29 Join andrew__ [0] (n=andrew@stjhnf0124w-142162086216.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) 04.39.31 Join konam [0] (n=konam@117stb68.codetel.net.do) 04.40.52 # someone can tell me why sometimes when i plug my ipod to the computer the files 'notes, ipod_control, calendars and contacts' reappear, and because of this the original firmware get load 04.47.15 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@65.198.26.227) 05.01.37 Join lachlan121 [0] (i=cbce3551@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-67c6930bada16799) 05.01.47 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 05.04.12 # ..... 05.04.23 # i asume that there's no way to do it then, thanks 05.05.38 # noone may know why...I certainly have no idea 05.06.47 # jhMikeS this happens to you? 05.09.02 # No, I have an iPod I just got but haven't even been able to plug it in since I have no cable for it. It's not even charged up. 05.16.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.20.37 # any developers want a Nano for free? 05.20.45 Join mud-rockbox [0] (n=jas6180@c-71-202-129-6.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 05.22.04 # it is only a 1 GB, but is FREE 05.24.38 # Great for those developers who need portaplayer. 05.24.40 # wow, why no one has answered 05.24.55 # and who doesnt need more portaplayer in their lives? 05.25.11 # quite a few... 05.25.17 # well, konam, most the core is asleep. 05.25.17 # Soap check the rockbox web page and look for some way of contacting them 05.25.57 # Soap: you don't have a gigabeat X60 free ;) 05.26.25 # toffe82: is that an offer? 05.26.52 # I'll trade 05.27.30 # I didn't say I have , I said do you have :) 05.27.53 # nah, only people I can lowball price seem to have iPods. 05.29.08 # everybode has an ipod, they don't know what they miss 05.29.35 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 05.29.39 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp97-106.adsl.forthnet.gr) 05.30.43 # so what is the going rate on an S30? 05.35.21 # I don't reqlly know, between 130 and 160 05.35.36 # and is ATA 50 pin compatible with CF? 05.35.40 # Soap: PP5020 based? 05.36.07 # jhMikeS: let me look, I don't think so. 05.36.24 # jhMikeS: well, it is a nono so 5021 05.36.30 # s/nono/sano 05.36.31 # that would be the 1st gen mini and 4th gen 05.36.59 # s/s/nono/sano/s/nono/nano 05.37.06 # jhMikeS: do you want me to keep my eyes open for a 5020 player? 05.37.30 # Soap: yes since that's the troubled one. I've already got a 5002 based one. 05.37.39 # can do 05.38.00 # I've turned down numerous Mini 1st gens in the past when looking for a Mini 2nd gen. 05.39.15 Quit andrew__ ("leaving") 05.39.21 Join andrew__ [0] (n=andrew@stjhnf0124w-142162086216.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) 05.39.29 # Soap: Thanks. BTW, a cable would be nice since the same cable will work on the 3g? 05.39.51 # yes, same cable should work 3rd on up, assuming the 3rd has USB? 05.39.56 # (the connector is the same) 05.40.20 # isnt the 3g firewire? 05.40.28 # the sansa connector I believe is the same (plugs in) too but doesn't work 05.41.23 Join saratoga [0] (i=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-28af2907896bb275) 05.41.35 # in case anyone is still awake: the 3g had USB 05.42.19 # well, it was only said a min ago... 05.42.36 # scorche: everyipod.com says the 3rd has FW and USB, but no USB charging? 05.43.15 # Soap: yeah...no usb charging 05.49.53 # so I can't even charge it I want to :P Cheapest way to manage it? 05.50.22 # wire 12 volts from your motherboard to the firewire pins. 05.51.42 # you can get chargers for a couple dollars off ebay 05.51.58 # they'll break after about a month, but they do work initially 05.52.02 # that too (though less fun) 05.53.01 # you can get the Apple brand chargers on Craigslist for ~$10 05.53.11 # I've got some stuff to put a standalone 12V power supply together...would be nice to have easy plugin on it. 05.53.50 # but that's a third generation issue, mini and 4th will charge from USB. 05.54.03 # what's the charge current from the 12V? 05.55.22 # don't know. wouldn't 5/12th the USB current draw be a safe ballpark figure? 05.55.26 # couple hundred ma I'd imagine 05.56.50 Quit konam ("Saliendo") 05.57.12 # A switchmode regulator on usb would work if it doesn't go over ~208mA on the 12V side...hrm 05.59.23 # original battery was 600 or 650 mah, Apple claimed 3 hours to charge, doesn't sound like more than 200 mA @ 12 volt unless a really wasteful charger. 06.12.51 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.24.04 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 06.25.02 Join PhantmShado [0] (n=shell@c-24-218-192-42.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 06.28.52 Join ptw419 [0] (i=ptw419@216-188-249-122.dyn.grandenetworks.net) 06.31.37 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 06.34.18 Quit lachlan121 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 06.37.51 # is there a map file built somewhere for simulator versions? i need to find out what's taking up all of the RAM... 06.38.00 Quit PhantmShado ("Leaving") 06.40.59 Join a1titude [0] (n=Compaq_A@206-163-245-140.swcr.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) 06.42.34 Part a1titude 06.45.51 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.56.15 # is there some way to tell what is taking up a lot of space in a plugin? i'm porting code and it's really hard to tell... 06.56.48 Join Guile`` [0] (n=Guile@84.6.56.13) 07.00.08 Join ComputinChuck [0] (n=nate@cpe-24-221-40-82.az.sprintbbd.net) 07.06.10 # i'm interested in getting involved in rockbox, what's the best place to get started? 07.07.01 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@13.29.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 07.08.41 # i'm probably most interested in rockbox on ipod, i have a 5G 07.09.11 # getting involved in what way? development? 07.10.19 # good morning 07.10.52 # mud-rockbox, yea. 07.11.16 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers have you been here? 07.11.32 Join toffe82_ [0] (n=chatzill@65.198.26.227) 07.12.41 # yea, i looked it over 07.13.38 # just get a build environment set up and look for something that interests you, there's always bugs and feature requests in the tracker if you want ideas 07.14.35 # ok 07.14.54 Quit Guile` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.14.59 Join n17ikh|Lappy [0] (n=n17ikh@207.144.234.158) 07.16.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.22.21 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.24.09 Part toffe82_ 07.28.05 Quit n17ikh|Lappy () 07.30.28 Quit mud-rockbox (Remote closed the connection) 07.37.18 # mo0ning 07.37.52 Quit The-Compiler (Remote closed the connection) 07.38.48 # morning, though it's only 10:30 here 07.38.51 # pm 07.39.00 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 07.39.06 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 07.41.09 # Time zones are a strange concept... ;) 07.41.46 # hehe, indeed 07.44.22 Quit gantrixx ("Ex-Chat") 07.45.50 Join mud-rockbox [0] (n=jas6180@c-71-202-129-6.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 07.47.21 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host5-214-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 07.48.04 # sorry to ask again, but is there some way to get a symbol/map file to see what's taking up all the space in my plugin? 07.49.22 # There is a .map file in the build directory for each plugin after building 07.51.34 # (for target builds, can also be enabled for sims where it was disabled due to some temporary binutils problem in debian) 07.51.48 # oh i see, i was looking for it in the sim... 07.52.12 # do you know how to enable it for the simulator? my build fails on real target because i run out of space in the plugin ram segment or whatever that is 07.54.36 # Remove the "#" in front of "#SIMULATOR_MAP=-Wl,-Map,$(OBJDIR)/rockbox.map" in apps/Makefile 07.54.44 # (line 174) 07.55.09 # ah, thank you very much 07.58.00 Quit ComputinChuck (Remote closed the connection) 08.04.02 Join bdgraue [0] (n=bdgraue@dyndsl-085-016-083-178.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 08.07.12 # anyone know how to disable inline memcpy w/ gcc? 08.09.27 # That's not possible afaik 08.09.27 Quit mud-rockbox (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.09.39 # (explicitly) 08.10.48 # hmm 08.11.40 Join mud-rockbox [0] (n=jas6180@c-71-202-129-6.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 08.13.02 # i think it may be causing trouble w/ my code which is weird... 08.13.24 Nick mud-rockbox is now known as mud-rb (n=jas6180@c-71-202-129-6.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 08.18.20 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.dsl.t-2.net) 08.18.47 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 08.20.30 Quit My_Sic (Client Quit) 08.23.33 Join Siltaar [0] (n=Siltaar@reverse-52.fdn.fr) 08.34.00 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 08.34.08 Part kaaloo 08.41.19 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@cpe-70-113-103-34.austin.res.rr.com) 08.43.57 Join printfXh4 [0] (n=pseudo@ppp121-45-205-135.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net) 08.46.01 Join GodEater [0] (n=bryan@bb-87-80-121-64.ukonline.co.uk) 08.48.18 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 08.48.29 Part kaaloo 08.51.07 Join norbusan [0] (n=norbusan@dhcp26.dmg.tuwien.ac.at) 08.53.01 Part norbusan 08.55.48 Quit BHSPitLappy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.58.42 Join B4gder [0] (n=daniel@static-213-115-255-230.sme.bredbandsbolaget.se) 09.00.10 Quit kubiixaka (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.01.06 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp209-169.adsl.forthnet.gr) 09.06.18 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.11.47 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjorn@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 09.16.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.21.28 Join gromit` [0] (n=gromit@ras75-5-82-234-244-69.fbx.proxad.net) 09.21.44 Join davina_ [0] (n=dave@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 09.27.15 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 09.29.30 Join pseudo_ [0] (n=pseudo@ppp121-45-243-90.lns2.bne4.internode.on.net) 09.33.43 Join lachlan1211 [0] (i=cbce3551@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3b5ff569db91a8a1) 09.36.13 # Llorean: I'm having troub rebooting my iPod (80GB) back into the Apple firmware- I reboot using Menu + Select and then flick on the hold switch as the iPodFAQ suggests, but the iPod simply hangs on the apple logo until I'm forced to reboot it. Do you know what I'm doing wrong? 09.36.38 # s/troub/trouble 09.37.57 Quit printfXh4 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.42.07 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ#How_to_start_the_original_Apple says otherwise, best read that again 09.42.26 # "Shut the device down by holding PLAY/PAUSE. Then, press MENU or SELECT to boot the iPod. Immediately after doing this, turn on the HOLD switch." 09.42.27 # lachlan1211: sounds like you're not waiting long enough for it to boot 09.42.38 # the Apple firmware takes AGES to load 09.43.54 # jhMikeS: did you do any current measurements yesterday? 09.44.26 # GodEater: that seems to have been the problem, I thought it had just frozen. Thanks for your help, and you petur;) 09.44.39 # no problem 09.45.22 # do plugins get 512kB on every platform, or are some lower? 09.45.37 # archos is lower 09.45.43 # 32kb iirc 09.45.45 # very very much lower ;-) 09.46.01 # hmm, okay my plugin isn't going to work on that.. 09.46.03 # haha 09.47.12 # mud-rb: what plugin are you working on? 09.47.37 # game recorder/viewer for go/igo/baduk/weiqi 09.47.45 # hey 09.47.50 # i could do it on not much RAM, but i'm mostly stealing code from gnugo 09.48.00 # which uses memory like it is its job, apparently 09.48.39 # a professional memory thief 09.49.50 # i was hoping to port the whole thing, but i had to cut out large sections of just the basic like game board handling just to get it under 512K with room to spare, so i'm not sure how feasible that is 09.50.29 # maybe if i steal the audio buffer and rework a lot of code to use that instead 09.55.10 # what on earth is it using all that memory for? 12-hour games? 09.55.30 # it has a lot of hashing and such 09.56.02 # mostly to make it fast to undo changes and things like that 09.56.08 Join pseudo__ [0] (n=pseudo@ppp121-45-200-31.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net) 10.00.09 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.03.57 Quit pseudo_ (Connection timed out) 10.15.12 Join obo [0] (n=obo@host217-41-62-170.in-addr.btopenworld.com) 10.15.51 Join pseudo_ [0] (n=pseudo@ppp121-45-192-155.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net) 10.16.54 # moving the builds 10.17.04 # buckle up 10.18.24 # * GodEater holds tight 10.21.03 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.21.21 # build2.rockbox.org should work really soon 10.21.50 # until the build name has propagated properly 10.24.11 Quit pseudo__ (Connection timed out) 10.25.32 Quit pseudo_ (Remote closed the connection) 10.25.39 # anyone has a commit pending? 10.28.02 # FS#7353 is pretty minor... 10.28.36 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484862D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 10.29.03 # hahaha that's perfect timing to get your patches in :) 10.30.19 # :D 10.41.06 Join safetydan [0] (n=dan@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 10.42.35 Quit HellDragon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.43.19 Join HellDragon [0] (i=JD@unaffiliated/helldragon) 10.48.34 # hmmm clicking on the currently building change doesn't give any changes. Did you just kick the buildserver without commit? 10.48.46 # no, I had a little path error 10.50.18 # why is there an empty table between build and size tables? 10.50.33 # there's no zips there 10.50.51 # duh 10.51.00 # * petur suddenly sees the zips are gone 10.51.54 # something is really not good 10.53.17 Join Soap_ [0] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 10.53.28 Quit Soap (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.57.49 # well the archos zip is there now, that's progress 10.58.36 # _the_ archos zip? 10.58.37 # well, I stopped the script 10.58.52 # There should be at least 6 10.59.10 # cough well one of them, honestly i have no idea what platforms there are except my player, haha 10.59.56 # * petur slams mud-rb with a bit of wiki 11.00.48 # you better learn your targets before posting a plugin in the tracker :) 11.01.18 # yeah, i'm just going for making it as general as possible and hoping it works...the buttons are going to be trouble though 11.05.21 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 11.06.06 # now why does it do this... 11.07.55 # hmm - are we completely 100% sure that the hardware in the 80GB iPod is the same as the 60GB iPod (obviously apart from the disk) ? 11.08.39 # the reason I ask this is because I've just helped a colleague install RB on his 60GB, and it runs noticeably slower than mine 11.09.38 # GodEater: and you are running the exact same build under the same conditions/settings? 11.09.58 # not yet - my own is running a slightly older build 11.10.17 # I'm about to update it to see if there's any difference 11.10.26 # but I wouldn't expect mine to have just slowed down miraculously 11.11.06 # and I'm mainly talking about the UI experience whilst nothing is playing 11.11.17 # scrolling through the file list on his was quiet sluggish 11.11.20 # *quite 11.11.27 # whilst on mine it's very acceptable 11.11.33 # well, to answer your question, yes they are the same 11.11.48 # did the list of files have teh same number of files in it, etc? 11.12.20 # no - his had less 11.12.26 # GodEater: Do you use icons? Did he use icons? 11.12.36 # I don't use any no - and neither does he 11.12.36 # zips are appearing 11.13.05 # well, instead of us asking all of these questions, can you just come back after using the same build and resetting the settings on both? =) 11.13.44 Join peppo [0] (n=slumpmas@c-9770e155.41-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 11.14.14 # ok - I'm on the same build as him now 11.14.28 # and settings are reset? 11.14.29 # hm, my rockbox ipodvideo isn't mounting. when I connect the usb cable it goes into starting mounting, but instead of displaying "Do not disconnect", it says "OK to disconnect" and doesn't mount the device. 11.14.34 # system log says: 11.14.40 # we have identical settings - I copied my .cfg files over for him so that when he asks me questions I know what he's got set up 11.14.42 # Device not ready. Make sure there is a disc in the drive. 11.14.57 # I haven't reset them to default on both though no 11.16.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.17.30 # curious. I'd definitely say there's a difference. It's not huge - but enough to be noticeable. 11.17.42 # I'll see if I can borrow his at lunch time and do the default settings thing 11.18.03 Join printfXh4 [0] (n=pseudo@ppp121-45-192-155.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net) 11.20.31 # hm, I rebooted the ipod while it was in the ipod's "do not disconnect" mode... now it seems it's gone broke :( 11.20.55 # and now I get these error messages in syslog: 11.21.13 # http://rafb.net/p/Kg23Vm92.html 11.21.48 # reboot device, reboot computer, try again? 11.22.14 # yeah 11.22.15 Quit peppo ("quit") 11.32.37 # GodEater: you could test the decoding speed of the same track on both players to see if one of them is really faster 11.33.17 # but you have to compile the test_codec plugin yourself 11.33.28 Join peppo [0] (n=slumpmas@c-9770e155.41-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 11.33.31 # markun: I don't see how one player could be noticeable faster since we clock them to the same speed anyway. Wouldn't it have to be some other piece of hardware than the CPU delaying screen updates or something? 11.33.45 # GodEater, yes, a reboot did it. phew :) thanks 11.34.12 # Llorean: I don't know. Maybe a different revision of the portalplayer chip or something? 11.35.01 # AFAIK, the LCD updates go via the Broadcom chip, so maybe newer versions of the Broadcom firmware are faster? Running test_fps.c would be interesting 11.35.18 # * petur was just going to suggest the same 11.35.30 # * Llorean was beginning to think in that direction, but hadn't got there yet 11.35.59 # Also, something to do with the LCD hardware was supposedly changed in the 5.5g. Maybe that was just the backlight though. 11.45.04 Join Entasis [0] (n=Jarred@ppp121-45-1-168.lns11.adl2.internode.on.net) 11.58.53 # markun: I did say it was the UI - not decoding speed 11.59.02 # and while it wasn't playing *anything* 11.59.22 # GodEater: did you use the same font? 11.59.27 # yes 12.00.29 Part maffe 12.00.38 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 12.00.54 # * GodEater goes hunting for test_fps.c 12.01.25 # GodEater: add it to apps/plugins/SOURCES and recompile 12.01.39 # was just doing that 12.05.10 # 1/1: 385. fps 1/4: 58.0 fps CPU:75000000 Hz 12.05.16 # that's for the 80GB 12.05.20 # 38.5 fps 12.05.21 # scuse me 12.05.32 Join [1]Cassandra [0] (n=Cassandr@elmyra.coraline.org) 12.06.18 # chip makers should advertise clock speeds in raw hertz instead of mhz, it sure looks more impressive that way 12.11.41 # GodEater: That seems very slightly faster than the results posted for a 30GB 5g here - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LcdFrameRate (36.5fps / 57fps) 12.12.03 # But those results are a year old - maybe the 30GB would be slightly faster today as well... 12.12.27 # But I wouldn't have expected that difference to be noticable. 12.13.22 # no figures for a 60 ? 12.13.29 # Didn't Apple release a newer version of the broadcom firmware with one of the OF updates? 12.14.00 # GodEater: No. 12.14.01 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54964FFC.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.14.14 # how do I get the other two values (for slower CPU speeds) ? 12.14.37 # Ah, you didn't boost the CPU manually? 12.14.50 # That would seem to suggest your ipod is stuck on CPU boost. 12.14.53 # nope 12.15.00 # =/ 12.15.13 # eh ? 12.15.14 # Normally you would have got the low CPU speeds in test_fps.c unless you had manually boosted in the debug screen. 12.15.20 Join pseudo_ [0] (n=pseudo@ppp121-45-193-121.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net) 12.15.24 # never been in there 12.15.33 # So that explains your performance difference. 12.16.02 # cpu freq in the system menu seems to be jumping between 30 / 75 about once a second 12.16.14 # When playing music, or idle? 12.16.26 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 12.17.19 # that was while playing music 12.17.24 # now I'm idle, it's back to 30 12.17.38 # odd 12.17.38 # And the UI performance is still faster than the 60GB? 12.17.49 # I swear I ran the plugin early at idle 12.18.04 # I've not got : 22.5, 46.0 at 30Mhz 12.18.47 Quit Cassandra (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12.18.48 Nick [1]Cassandra is now known as Cassandra (n=Cassandr@elmyra.coraline.org) 12.18.49 # not seen it drop to 24MHz though 12.19.10 # No, it won't unless you do it manually. 12.19.21 Join Xerion [0] (i=xerion@cp198589-d.landg1.lb.home.nl) 12.23.07 # the builds seem to work... 12.23.25 Quit printfXh4 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.23.25 # magic! 12.24.18 # 22.5/45.5 on the 60 12.24.23 # must just be my imagination then 12.24.24 # =/ 12.24.43 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@pD9EB3C2D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 12.25.02 # morning :) 12.27.22 # 36.0/50.0 @ 75MHz from the 60 12.35.09 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.8.50) 12.52.30 Join Wiwie [0] (n=goddi@p5B09BC10.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 12.52.36 Join wats [0] (n=kwin@220-253-164-57.QLD.netspace.net.au) 12.52.58 # howdy 12.53.18 # can someone give me a hand 12.53.21 # ?? 12.54.07 # wats: hard to say - we don't know what you want a hand with 12.54.08 # ask the question and you'll see 12.54.36 # i cant launch videos on my ipod video 80gb there not in the browser 12.55.02 # wats: video that you can play with the original firmware? 12.55.16 # no 12.55.18 Part maffe 12.55.19 # or mpeg videos for rockbox? 12.55.30 # mpeg 12.55.44 # what setting have you got for "View Files" ? 12.55.44 Quit Weiss (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.55.45 # are they .mpg or .mpeg ? 12.55.50 # whats better 12.55.54 # .mpg 12.56.37 # no like ipoo video movies or the rockbox codec 12.56.40 Join Weiss [0] (i=taw27@pip.srcf.societies.cam.ac.uk) 12.57.02 # I think ipod video movies are much better 12.57.09 # but you cannot play them in rockbox 12.58.00 # ow bugger 12.59.45 Join haemmy [0] (i=stefan@194.208.162.140) 13.04.07 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 13.04.10 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp252-146.adsl.forthnet.gr) 13.04.21 # markun: I wouldn't say there's any real difference in the movies themselves. But on the ipod video, the Apple firmware is better at video playback than Rockbox (because it uses the hardware decoder) and hence videos look better in the Apple firmware. 13.04.46 # linuxstb: I think that's what he meant ;) 13.07.47 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 13.16.53 # linuxstb: I didn't find a way to reencrypt tne iriver firmwares 13.16.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.17.31 # it looks like decoding skips every 50th byte, maybe that's some kind of checksum 13.18.26 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 13.18.29 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp3-200.adsl.forthnet.gr) 13.23.51 Quit crwl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.25.15 Quit DerPapst (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.27.02 Quit safetydan (Remote closed the connection) 13.33.04 Join crwl [0] (n=crawlie@a88-114-143-95.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 13.35.18 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 13.35.22 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@62.1.173.135) 13.37.14 Quit lachlan1211 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 13.38.08 Quit haemmy () 13.43.06 # markun: I guess someone will need to find the real decryption function in the firmware (assuming it's there) and see how it works... 13.46.37 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 13.46.41 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp95-7.adsl.forthnet.gr) 14.00.33 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B15347.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.02.55 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 14.08.48 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 14.08.52 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp176-11.adsl.forthnet.gr) 14.13.13 Quit Weiss (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.14.48 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.16.46 # markun: I did current measuremeant and it's on the GigabeatInfo page 14.17.15 Join Weiss [0] (i=taw27@pip.srcf.societies.cam.ac.uk) 14.17.37 # consumes less after playback than before -> something not init? 14.18.29 # I've no idea if it's just pcm related or something in playback.c 14.18.52 # nothing comes to mind that isn't initialized though 14.21.57 # gigabeat doesn't do boosting, right? 14.22.37 # * petur links this with GodEater telling his ipod was boosted at startup 14.23.08 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 14.23.12 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp174-229.adsl.forthnet.gr) 14.23.42 # petur: Right. (no boosting on gigabeat) 14.27.20 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.29.37 # interesting, there's no CPU info entry in the GB's debug menu 14.30.22 # and the audio thread screen says the cpu is running at only 17MHz 14.30.44 # pretty impressive 14.32.28 # Hahaha 14.32.35 Join jba [0] (n=jba@c211-30-160-138.blktn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 14.32.41 # That's just a symptom of scaling being disabled entirely 14.32.45 # * GodEater guesses this screen is lying through it's teeth 14.32.48 Quit jba (Client Quit) 14.34.36 # the current consumption at boot is pretty much equal to the current consumption when playing a video that uses 100% of it's resources...so right now I'm thinking a core sleep isn't happening 14.41.58 Nick pseudo_ is now known as printfXh4 (n=pseudo@ppp121-45-193-121.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net) 14.42.52 # jhMikeS: what could be the cause? 14.45.01 Part LinusN 14.45.01 # I'm making wild guesses so no clue. One thing is that it wouldn't show up in the OS stacks screen if the scheduler were just spinning around in the sleep loop. 14.45.54 # Maybe I'll put a loop counter in there and see if it slows down after playback or something. 14.46.05 Part maffe 14.46.29 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 14.47.52 Part maffe 14.47.53 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@38.98.196.75) 14.48.13 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 15.04.09 # * B4gder found the daily manual problem and is fixing it 15.07.58 # We have manual problems every day? 15.09.20 # * petur thought the manual problem was an automatic one 15.09.55 # booo....hiss 15.11.07 Quit wats (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.11.22 Join wats [0] (n=kwin@220-253-164-57.QLD.netspace.net.au) 15.12.09 # * jhMikeS finds out he still has no idea 15.13.09 # you could automatically launch a 1second mp3 file on boot :) That'd work 15.13.31 # like a voice clip? :) 15.13.43 # "welcome to rockbox" 15.13.51 # tada! 15.14.30 # or maybe a fixed ad space - to be used for funding 15.14.38 # ;) 15.14.39 Join webguest70 [0] (i=18e0e63a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-89926f859f51f107) 15.14.45 # "do you wish to continue or use this bag of shit? - press power to abort" 15.15.01 # "and now a word from our sponsors" 15.15.19 # hi all 15.15.35 # hi 70 15.15.52 # I'm having a problem with rockbox and wondering if anyone can help 15.16.09 # just ask the question 15.16.47 # I have a dock, forget the actual model, when I put the iPod on to charge rockbox will shut down then immediately restart 15.16.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.17.30 # you need to hold the menu button when puting the ipod in the dock 15.17.34 # so I've tried just booting regularly into apple but at some point it seems to shut down and wants to restart 15.18.17 # and it either hangs on the apple screen or then boots back into rockbox and starts the cycle of restarting 15.19.10 # ok, I've read that about the menu but haven't had it work yet, might just be me not getting the menu held down as I'm putting it in the dock 15.19.27 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 15.20.25 # Is there any way to swap the boot without using the linux loader thing? 15.21.03 # i.e. so that it loads apple by default and rockbox by holding menu? 15.21.17 Join JoleBole [0] (n=jolebole@adsl-76-221-227-62.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) 15.21.43 # not without recompiling the rockbox bootloader 15.21.58 # webguest70: Are you using a recent version of Rockbox? 15.22.51 # yes, I've tried both the standard build and the jbuild 15.23.01 # Also, if you turn the hold switch on, that causes the Rockbox bootloader to start the Apple firmware instead of Rockbox (assuming you have the latest bootloader) 15.23.14 # Today's standard build? 15.23.33 # Hello everyone 15.23.40 # no, I've been using the jbuild for the past few days 15.24.02 # Does anybody has experiencing slow video playback in iPod 30Gb ? 15.24.14 # everyone i guess 15.24.27 # if you havea video ipod, use the apple firmware for video playback 15.24.40 # webguest70: The jbuild is very old, and probably doesn't include improvements made to the USB/power detection in Rockbox, which will be in today's build. 15.24.46 # rockbox doesn't know how to use the dedicaded chip yet (and it won't in the near future) 15.25.02 # I uused all the info from the web site, tied all the posted enceoding tools with diferent sizes and bit rates, diferent frame rate, but still no result 15.25.03 # webguest70: Also, it's hard for us to help if you're not using the very latest official build. 15.25.14 # it's slow as 1fps 15.25.30 # JoleBole: Did you read the wiki page that explains why it's bad on the ipod video? 15.25.59 # well I read all the instructions how to encode, and what parameters to use 15.26.05 # ok, I'll try it using today's build and see what happens 15.26.07 # thanks 15.26.09 # what do u mean exectly ? 15.26.19 # Read the Introduction section on the page. 15.26.33 # JoleBole: 1fps is quite slow. Which bitrate and resolution did you use? 15.26.36 # do u have a direct link ? 15.26.48 # The PluginMpegplayer page that has all the encoding info 15.26.48 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer 15.27.13 # well I read almost everything on that page... 15.27.50 # so is anybody have good video performance on the 30gb ipod 15.27.51 # ? 15.28.05 # you can't have good video performance 15.28.11 # JoleBole: as you can see from the table, only 10fps full screen 15.28.17 # yes.... 15.28.17 # JoleBole: It says very clearly on that page that it performs poorly on the iPod Video. 15.28.18 # but that's a lot more than your 1fps 15.28.49 # I encoded a file to 10fps but, still it played with 1fps 15.29.05 # JoleBole: Is that what the "Display FPS" option showed? 15.29.08 # or 2 :-) 15.29.12 # Or rather Show FPS 15.29.20 # JoleBole: did you try the elefants dream video? 15.29.28 # yes slow too 15.29.52 # JoleBole: 10fps is "slow". Did you use the Show FPS option, or are you just guessing "1 or 2"? 15.30.01 Quit SirFunk (Remote closed the connection) 15.30.40 # this is the only thing that makes me keep the apple firmware for now...If rockbox had good video palyback I would completley erase the apple formware and just have rockbox 15.31.19 # i didn't catch the actual fps but whatever it is it's a poor performance overall , right 15.31.28 # Yes, but you were mentioning numbers. 15.31.38 # which is what we've all been saying for the last 10 minutes if you'd read 15.31.41 # I know sorry... 15.31.45 # The page says very, very clearly it's poor on the iPod Video because we can't use the broadcom chip 15.31.57 # Everyone here was thinking you were getting worse than the normal "poor" because you were mentioning specific numbers. 15.32.36 # Rockbox plays video fine on many other players, but the iPod Video has a large screen, and a slow processor. Video won't be better on it unless someone figures out the Broadcom chip, which is somewhat unlikely to happen any time soon. 15.32.59 # if ever 15.33.32 # that's bad... 15.33.45 # Blame Apple or Broadcom. 15.33.51 # still, the difference between 1 and 10 fps should be quite visible I think 15.33.55 # I blame both 15.34.40 # So what do u think is the solution for the problem....makeing apple or broadcom share the code ? 15.35.05 # rebooting to apple's firmware is the only solution likely to work 15.35.15 Quit spiorf ("Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)") 15.35.28 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host5-214-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 15.35.40 # JoleBole: yes, if they would start sharing info that would increase the chance of rockbox having good video playback 15.36.45 # basicly same like Micso$oft policy - dont share any of the code with the open source comunity....:-( 15.36.46 Quit Xerion (" ") 15.37.23 # we're not really interested in their code 15.37.27 # JoleBole: well, the code is not the biggest problem, there is no info at all about the chip 15.38.26 # ooo I understand.. 15.38.53 # but still they are the ones who should provide info about their chip.. 15.39.38 # they don't have to of course 15.39.56 # how can they be so stupid...they dont' understand that having good video playback on rockbox will make more people buy their devices and installing rockbox on it... 15.40.24 # it's just a money matter i gues. 15.40.39 # Actually, Rockbox tends to show off that superior hardware than the iPod tends to cost about half the price from other device manufacturers. 15.40.40 # I doubt that rockbox would increase broadcom's or apple's sales in a significant way ... unfortunately 15.40.48 # They probably don't want people installing Rockbox at all, ever. 15.41.08 # selfish bastards :-) 15.41.23 # the only thing it can do is embarass their own brand. 15.41.31 # I agree 15.41.32 # or maybe we are just selfless bastards.. 15.41.41 # why is that ? 15.42.05 # My gut tells me it's all about DRM 15.42.11 # giving away software that gives new features to old DAPs 15.42.15 # ...there is gonna be a solution for this problem - sonner or later 15.42.27 # don't count on it 15.42.29 # jhMikeS: why so? we can't play DRM files 15.42.48 # gretings Zagor 15.42.52 # nice nick 15.43.18 # I'm speaking of the origins of the hardware. The SD card secure interface isn't published for that reason. 15.43.19 # thanks... I think? 15.43.46 Join MrKeuner [0] (n=kudo@unaffiliated/mrkeuner) 15.43.58 # hi, is it possible to convert a hfs ipod to vfat ipod in GNU/Linux? 15.44.05 # yes 15.44.12 # jhMikeS: so the sd secure interface is in fact not secure? 15.44.46 # MrKeuner: we have a page for it with details on the Rockbox Wiki 15.44.47 # why would they worry about people knowing how a secure interface works? ssl is pretty well-known, and still pretty secure. 15.46.27 Quit markun (Remote closed the connection) 15.46.27 Quit webguest70 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 15.46.34 # GodEater: I can just remove all ipod firmware and just install rockbox? 15.48.28 # OK guys thanks for sharing the knoledge....I will keep using rockbox - and call some friends (chip manufactures) ....so maybe they can smugle some chip info.. 15.48.33 # Zagor: If knowing the intface would compromize the security, I suppose it's not. 15.48.37 # MrKeuner: Yes, but you need a working ipod first for ipodpatcher to work. 15.48.57 # JoleBole: don't count on it 15.48.57 # but they also get membership fees for giving you access to that 15.49.00 # MrKeuner: The IpodConversionToFAT32 or IpodManualRestore wiki pages will help 15.49.16 # great! thanks 15.49.43 # MrKeuner: Just make sure the Apple firmware is working after converting to FAT32, then if you want to, you can use ipodpatcher to remove it... 15.50.34 Join Xerion [0] (i=xerion@cp198589-d.landg1.lb.home.nl) 15.50.48 # linuxstb: I suppose I can put ipod firmware back at anytime using itunes 15.50.57 # there's a chance petur. U never know.. 15.52.01 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@dslb-088-074-034-011.pools.arcor-ip.net) 15.56.19 # * jhMikeS wonders why there'd be any need at all to have a hardware aspect to securing information on flash card except to have patents and collect fees. 15.57.15 # Peace.. 15.57.18 Part JoleBole 15.57.26 # Will rockbox run on the archos 604? 15.57.30 # or just the 400 series currently? 15.57.40 # none of them 15.58.04 # oh, I thought it did. 15.58.06 # Hrm. 15.59.55 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 16.03.14 Quit B4gder ("It is time to say MOOO") 16.06.17 Join PaulJam [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3178.gwdg.de) 16.07.16 Join RhinoBanga [0] (n=rhinoban@host-87-74-80-156.bulldogdsl.com) 16.07.27 # afternoon folks 16.08.41 # who's the tag db expert around here? 16.09.10 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@admin-147-222.potsdam.edu) 16.09.48 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 16.09.57 Join markun [0] (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 16.12.39 # RhinoBanga: i think that would be Slasheri. But you could just ask your question, maybe someone else can help you too. 16.12.49 Join RaRe` [0] (n=Laffin_B@202-89-187-101.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) 16.14.05 Quit Wiwie ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 16.18.56 # k ... I've discovered that the ID3 support only caters for tags up to 300 bytes 16.19.07 # with lyrics, etc my tracks regularly beat that 16.19.25 # so I changed id3.h to increase the buffer to 1024 bytes 16.19.29 # What do lyrics have to do with the database, though? 16.19.43 # COMM fields 16.19.57 # k ... maybe not lyrics ... but descriptions of tracks, etc 16.20.30 # when I rebuild the database everything seems to work, i.e rockbox parses my 8000+ files on my iPod 16.20.41 # when I reboot the database is empty 16.20.46 Quit hcs ("Leaving.") 16.20.55 # and it asks me if I want to initialize it 16.21.55 # looks like the db doesn't handle the change I made 16.23.00 # if I make the buffer smaller (e.g. 500 bytes) the database gets built but still a lot of my tracks are classed as "untagged" 16.24.21 # you can see the problem easily via the id3 test program 16.25.01 # load up an MP3 with a load of text and you will see that tags after the 300th byte are ignored 16.25.21 # Weren't you asking about nearly the exact same problem earlier? 16.25.22 # RhinoBanga: check TAG_MAXLEN in tagcache.h 16.25.33 # RhinoBanga: that is just ~500 bytes 16.25.47 # ahhh ... that'll be it 16.26.03 # it needs to be increased or buffers are not large enough to handle longer tags 16.26.26 Quit RaRe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.26.36 # any chance someone could submit a change back to SVN that uses a #define for both of these so I only have to remember to change one element every time I want use a later rockbox? 16.27.14 # in my opinion though 300/500 bytes is a bit small, especially with lyrics, track details, etc held in the tags 16.27.58 # RhinoBanga: you could create a nice patch as well, defining those both in a single define at some nice place 16.28.35 # wouldn't know how to make a patch, and since I presume you guys know how to do it and do it all the time I thought it would be quicker for you :D 16.28.52 Quit printfXh4 (No route to host) 16.28.56 # * RhinoBanga fires up VMWare to try changed the limit 16.29.16 # RhinoBanga: you don't use svn? 16.30.01 # I only used the svn command to get the source ... svn is not my revision control software of choice, I use perforce 16.30.26 # ok, but then just typing svn diff is enough to produce the patch 16.30.52 # k ... I'll give it a try 16.31.03 # IMHO we shouldn't change the size in SVN though, it'll be more flexible with metadata on buffer but considering only one person has ever reported running into this limit, I think it's not actually a "problem" 16.31.48 # unless people think it's just a bug with rb and don't bother reporting it ... it's only because I'm a developer that I bothered to tarce the issue 16.31.54 # *trace 16.32.35 # RhinoBanga: new devs are welcome :) 16.32.43 # Llorean: true, but unifying the define could be still good 16.32.52 # doing it as we speak 16.32.55 # Slasheri: Unifying the define, I'm fine with. 16.33.06 # Slasheri: Just stating the patch should keep the sizes the same. ;) 16.33.35 # Llorean: hehe, indeed :) 16.35.17 # I mean, I guess the size for in the database itself, I don't care so much about. But the ID3 struct doesn't need to be oversized for lyrics when we don't even support lyrics. 16.36.01 # even if you don't support them you have no idea where the supported tags 16.36.09 # they could be after 300 bytes of lyrics 16.36.48 Quit markun (Remote closed the connection) 16.36.56 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54964672.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.36.57 # in which case the file would not get tagged at all ... which is not what you want 16.37.43 # I've added #define ID3V2_BUFF_SIZE 300 to id3.h and changed the char buff in there accordingly 16.37.54 Quit lee-qid (Client Quit) 16.38.05 # currently TAG_MAXLEN is MAXPATH*2 16.38.18 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54964672.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.38.29 # u sure it's ok to change that to ID3V2_BUFF_LEN*2? 16.38.40 Join Anakin [0] (i=0@unaffiliated/anakin) 16.38.41 Join markun [0] (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 16.39.01 # Assuminng MAXPATH is 256 bytes that makes 500 bytes originally, now it would become 600 bytes 16.40.32 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 16.42.03 # it should work. however, after doing a lot of database operations, it's good to check the stack usages from debug menu to be sure it isn't too much 16.43.18 Join kubiixaka [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 16.45.32 # i have a question: with my unsupported build i experienced, that moving files with rockbox seems to be able to cause filesystem corruption. i wanted to know if there is something similar already known in the official build (i haven'd found anything on the tracker) before i spend much time trying to reproduce it with an official buld. 16.45.40 # building db now ... back in 10 mins :D 16.52.55 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.53.16 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@dslb-088-074-034-011.pools.arcor-ip.net) 16.59.16 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 16.59.20 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp26-238.adsl.forthnet.gr) 17.00.03 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust362.winn.cable.ntl.com) 17.01.56 # Flyspray's not sending me notifications for quite a while now... is there some preference I need to set (aside from my email address)? 17.02.22 Quit kubiix (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.03.20 # is there any difference recording-wise between h110 and h120 (except only 16MB ram for buffering)? 17.05.15 Join bluebrother [0] (i=QyWwDx88@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 17.05.18 Join saratoga [0] (i=980398fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d0069701e1fc0a82) 17.09.24 Join Toxicity [0] (i=Toxicity@cpe-70-122-25-223.austin.res.rr.com) 17.09.33 # lol 17.10.10 # wow.. there's a mass offering of h140 irivers on ebay (roadpal ebayshop) 17.11.28 # e250 for life 17.12.22 # petur: There shouldn't be a difference, but I don't know whether recording was tested on h110 17.13.01 # There *might* be a problem with s/pdif recording (in case the recording code doesn't care for the reversed s/pdif enable polarity) 17.13.20 # Well I advised him to get an h140 as there were plenty on offer 17.13.48 Join troxor [0] (n=boyo@rrcs-71-42-147-99.sw.biz.rr.com) 17.14.04 Part troxor 17.14.48 Join blurfle [0] (n=meatball@blurfle.ices.utexas.edu) 17.15.45 # ok, so after a modest amount of searching and scrounging the FAQ, it was not immediately evident: is rockbox based on the linux kernel? 17.15.57 # nope 17.16.07 # it's based on your mom's cock 17.16.13 # and I'm quite sure it's in the faq 17.16.28 # Toxicity: stop that now please 17.16.35 # wut 17.17.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.19.09 # petur: if it's there, I'd like to know- it's painful asking such a faq-able question ;) 17.19.15 # blurfle: Out of curiousity, what made you think Rockbox might have been based on the Linux kernel? 17.20.47 # petur: I don't think we explicitly say anywhere in the faq that we're NOT based on Linux. However, nowhere do we state that we are either :) 17.20.54 # blurfle: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ#How_does_Rockbox_compare_to_i_Po 17.21.11 # but I don't see the point of stating what we're NOT - it'd be a very long list. 17.21.27 # linuxstb: a friend mentioned something along the lines of how he put linux on his ipod 17.21.41 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-125-122.pools.arcor-ip.net) 17.21.50 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.21.51 # blurfle: iPodLinux is a completely different project from Rockbox 17.22.08 # petur: ah ha, that's the one! thanks! 17.22.37 # * petur admits he used google to find it :/ 17.24.07 # I DID IT FOR THE FUCKING LULZ 17.24.32 # Toxicity: stop it please 17.24.45 # what? you have something against lulz? 17.25.28 # more like something against being annoying 17.25.36 # racist 17.26.33 # * dionoea doesn't see how saratoga's comment was racist 17.26.37 # blurfle: the front page clearly says that Rockbox is not based on linux ;-) 17.27.08 # "Rockbox is a complete rewrite and uses no fragments of any original firmwares." 17.27.15 # she's racist against annoying people 17.27.40 # ah right ... 17.28.17 Part maffe 17.28.40 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 17.30.35 # bluebrother: instead of 'rewrite' maybe 'firmware written from scratch' would be clearer 17.31.14 # Apart from all the bits which aren't... 17.31.20 # well linux was also written from scratch ;) 17.31.22 # hahahaha 17.31.22 # of course :) 17.31.23 # markun: right, but I didn't wrote that line ;-) 17.32.06 # linuxstb: well, better leave that line as is then :) 17.33.01 # no, I think it should actually contain that statement 17.33.35 # hmm -- isn't that stuff used from IPL written from scratch too? It just was written by the IPL people ... 17.34.01 # no, based on uclinux iirc 17.34.08 Part maffe 17.34.35 # the hardware drivers are based on uClinux? 17.35.11 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484862D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.35.20 # I would say all the code we've taken from IPL has been code IPL people wrote from scratch. Mainly just functions which do things to the hardware. 17.35.30 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 17.35.39 Join Wiwie [0] (n=goddi@p5B099CC2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.35.50 # bluebrother: I didn't read what you said correctly :/ 17.35.55 # ok, i now checked with an official build on my h300 and there the filesystem corruption also happens when moving (cut=>paste) directorys 17.36.05 # well, any code written was eventually written from scratch... 17.36.06 # ouch 17.36.18 # PaulJam: Are you sure your filesystem was clean before you started? 17.36.47 # linuxstb: chkdsk didn't report any errors before 17.37.24 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 17.37.47 # linuxstb: but now that i have made a backup before testing i could format the drive and try again. 17.38.11 # That could be helpful. AFAIK, no-one else has reported such problems. 17.38.24 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.38.38 # even if it is on an unsupported build ;) 17.41.35 # linuxstb: should i do a full format or is a quickformat sufficient. 17.41.48 Quit lukaswayne9 ("Ex-Chat") 17.44.40 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B15347.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.46.15 # PaulJam: I'm not sure. I would expect a quickformat is ok 17.48.01 # ok 17.52.11 Quit Toxicity () 17.52.38 Join webguest98 [0] (i=be042112@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-50bc113611b11f93) 17.56.33 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 17.57.06 Quit webguest98 (Client Quit) 17.57.10 Join webguest98 [0] (i=be042112@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4282f2d070667b70) 17.57.46 # linuxstb: it happened with a fresh formatted drive too. i only copied the .rockbox folder and some testfiles on it. is there anything else i should try before i restore my music on the player? 17.58.07 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-066-057-231-236.nc.res.rr.com) 18.00.11 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF46ED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.00.12 Quit webguest98 (Client Quit) 18.00.12 Quit petur ("later") 18.01.05 Quit atsea- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.02.39 # PaulJam: Fix the bug ;) 18.02.45 Join crop [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-88a3c8d90d29e094) 18.02.56 Join webguest34 [0] (i=be042112@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8b8db871d8b3c048) 18.03.06 # haha 18.03.24 # May I ask an OT question? How does the IRC reader script work? The page is being updated but not scrolled. 18.04.04 # crop: there is an option to autoscroll at the top of the page 18.05.01 # PaulJam: no, I don't want it to be scrolled. I'm just interested in how it works at all. I.e. how's constant updating working 18.05.13 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 18.05.39 # If every time a whole new HTML is loaded then it should jump to the page top. 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New version of amarok does "introducing rockbox support for iPod". Does anyone know details about that? 19.24.05 # threekiloscocai: rockbox changes all the time which breaks patches from time to time 19.26.24 # the problem was that a token for drawing the image (%Cl) was assigned to WPS_NO_TOKEN, but its beeing drawn only if recognized as WPS_TOKEN_ALBUMART_DISPLAY 19.26.36 # the patch is from the 22.07.07.. 19.27.02 Join nls [0] (n=nils@h218n1fls35o293.telia.com) 19.27.19 # that's in the future ;-) 19.27.35 # OMG 19.27.42 # that true 19.27.49 # and i wondered why it didnt work 19.28.08 # sure i just will have to wait one month and itll work then 19.28.13 # hehe 19.28.26 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3045 19.28.29 # last entry 19.28.52 # linuxstb_: should CodecPerformanceComparison be rewritten for your new test_codec plugin? 19.29.30 # hehe. Funny typo ;-) 19.30.00 # markun: I'd say so 19.33.47 # threekiloscocai: btw, the %Cl tag is only for loading the albumart image. to actually display it the tag %C is used. 19.40.47 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@m60.net81-64-221.noos.fr) 19.41.38 # hmm, is it normal that copying from the pc to the h300 is only half as fast than copying from the player to the pc? 19.42.20 Join AdmiralJ [0] (n=AdmiralJ@c-69-252-146-232.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 19.42.28 Quit davina_ (Remote closed the connection) 19.42.48 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul) 19.46.18 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 19.46.37 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@i-83-67-214-206.freedom2surf.net) 19.47.03 Quit stripwax (Client Quit) 19.47.50 # Paul: So i need both tags? 19.49.56 # yes, you should have a look at a wps that uses albumart to get an idea how it is used 19.50.41 # aaah 19.50.46 # all the work for nothing?!!! 19.50.59 # i didnt find any working xD 19.56.28 # ill build the sim and test the orginal patch 19.56.41 # doh, realy fell stupid now 19.57.00 Join NIHIL[1] [0] (n=NIHIL@h15.28.140.67.ip.alltel.net) 19.57.27 # anyone know how I can get album art to work when I play a song? 19.57.30 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@222.43.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 19.57.36 # :D 19.58.11 # did you applied the albumart patch and compile the source? 19.58.44 # where can I get the patch? 19.58.50 # Hi there 19.59.34 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3045 19.59.52 # thanks man 20.00.05 # do I have to compile this? 20.01.59 # if you don't want to compile yourself, you can look in the "unsupported builds" section in the forum for one that already includes this patch. 20.02.10 # ok 20.02.29 Join davina_ [0] (n=dave@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 20.02.53 Join thegeek_ [0] (i=thegeek@ti521110a080-0286.bb.online.no) 20.04.00 Join netmasta10bt [0] (n=torment@pool-71-251-102-2.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) 20.05.24 # i prefer the newest version :) 20.05.33 # of rockbox 20.05.38 # so ill build it on my own 20.05.52 # and it realy works, the orginal patch from future 20.06.12 # didnt know i need %Cl AND %C, just tried both single... 20.09.20 Join pepie34 [0] (n=pepie34@cop60-1-82-240-26-92.fbx.proxad.net) 20.09.39 Join momocs [0] (n=matt@cpc1-cmbg4-0-0-cust170.cmbg.cable.ntl.com) 20.09.39 # eg 20.12.00 Join entheh [0] (n=purr@88-106-190-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 20.14.14 # trying to apply the ipodpatcher via osx 20.14.28 # but it opens up in a text editor, what program should I run it with? 20.14.58 # ah figured it out dont worry 20.47.10 Join blippe [0] (n=blippe@1-1-11-41a.f.sth.bostream.se) 20.47.50 # * ender` yawns 20.48.03 Quit mud-rb (Remote closed the connection) 20.48.10 # i've heard a rumour about a dap with rockbox installed as standard. Totally untrue? 20.49.13 Part blurfle 20.49.14 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@83.233.231.172) 20.49.23 Join AJS [0] (n=someme2@190.4.33.18) 20.49.38 # oh gawd how long does it take to get all the preview images for rockbox extra theme browser 20.50.02 Join Nic0_P [0] (n=nicolas@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 20.50.03 Quit Nic0_P (Remote closed the connection) 20.50.05 Quit NIHIL[1] ("The Bersirc are coming! The Bersirc are coming! [ http://www.bersirc.org/ - Open Source IRC ]") 20.50.14 # hi , i have a problem i been trying to install rocbox but an error keeps showing 20.50.52 # shows , rocbox loaded , but no button works , what can i do ? 20.51.36 # i have tried to install the latest bootloader but it hangs 20.57.35 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@e180233083.adsl.alicedsl.de) 20.58.17 Quit AJS () 20.58.41 # do any of the zip files work in OSX :S 20.58.46 # they extract nothing 20.59.04 Join AJS [0] (n=someme2@190.4.33.18) 20.59.33 Quit threekiloscocai () 21.00.15 Join Domonoky_ [0] (n=Domonoky@e180233083.adsl.alicedsl.de) 21.00.36 Quit Domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.00.45 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.04.25 Quit pepie34 (Connection timed out) 21.07.03 # Im getting the error no partition found when trying to boot it 21.07.08 # what causes this 21.07.12 Quit Nico_P (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.07.21 Join pepie34 [0] (n=pepie34@cop60-1-82-240-26-92.fbx.proxad.net) 21.08.07 Quit idnar (Nick collision from services.) 21.08.10 Join idnar_ [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 21.08.29 # hi, I am looking at sample plugins. Is there a plugin that reads a file. 21.08.30 # ? 21.09.13 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@e180233083.adsl.alicedsl.de) 21.09.17 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 21.09.18 Quit Domonoky_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.09.41 # and I am using the simulator. other than arrow keys, spacebar and enter, is there any other key that works on the simulator? 21.10.36 # TTSbox: all keys of the device are mapped, and there are alternatives to the num key on the keyboard.. 21.11.23 Join MrKeuner [0] (n=kudo@unaffiliated/mrkeuner) 21.11.47 # Domonoky: is there any documentation for the simulator on the web? 21.11.55 # and there is a button for screenshot, i dont know if there are other special keys .. :-) 21.12.20 # isnt there a consol output when you start the sim ? 21.12.27 # hi, do I still need the stupid ipod database on rockbox? 21.12.38 Join Buschel [0] (n=abc@p54A3D667.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.12.42 # MrKeuner: no, 21.13.02 # Domonoky: I can use it though as far as I can see, that's cool 21.13.19 # Domonoky: is there a certain folder to upload th efiles? 21.13.22 # you can use the normal filesystem, or the rockbox database.. so you can choose :-) 21.13.29 # Domonoky: and is ogg supported? 21.13.31 # put the musik where you like.. 21.13.50 # yes, and flac and may others.. even c64 musc works :-) 21.14.13 # :) cool 21.14.15 # Domonoky: the console output doesn't mention any key mappings only some things for debugging I guess 21.14.17 # one of the only formats i know that dont work is wma.. 21.14.38 # like "we open real file'archos/....." 21.14.47 # TTSbox: try running the sim with the --background swithc 21.14.50 # TTSbox: then i dont know, sorry :-) 21.14.59 # thanks nls 21.15.38 # wow 21.15.50 # that is nice, that should be default :) 21.16.37 # sometime ago the background was default, i dont know why they changed it.. :-) 21.17.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.18.21 Quit Anakin (Remote closed the connection) 21.20.04 Join gnakicjii [0] (i=0@86.122.116.44) 21.23.12 Nick Soap_ is now known as Soap (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 21.25.59 Quit Domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.26.47 Quit Buschel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.27.21 Join Buschel_ [0] (n=abc@p54A3D667.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.28.28 Nick gnakicjii is now known as Anakin (i=0@86.122.116.44) 21.30.30 Quit Buschel_ (Client Quit) 21.42.15 Quit The-Compiler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.47.32 Quit davina_ (Remote closed the connection) 21.52.34 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@e180233083.adsl.alicedsl.de) 21.52.58 Quit pepie34 ("Ex-Chat") 21.56.05 Nick idnar_ is now known as idnar (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 21.56.23 Quit desowin ("use linux") 22.04.16 # not all programs listed on SOURCES file in plugins directory appears in plugins after compiled 22.04.27 # why is that? 22.04.39 # TTSbox: some are viewers, and not plugins.. 22.08.22 Quit spiorf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.08.43 # hmm 22.08.51 # viewer is one of them apparently 22.09.02 # can I open any text file with it 22.09.06 # to view 22.09.13 # how do I run it? 22.09.17 # to view what ? 22.09.46 # a viewer is a plugin which is launche when you click on a fitting file.. 22.10.11 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host5-214-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 22.10.14 # this file dont need to be a text file, rockboy (gameboy emu) is a viewer as example.. 22.10.21 Quit MrKeuner ("Ex-Chat") 22.10.30 Part momocs 22.11.56 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 22.12.07 # can text_editor open a text file? 22.12.22 # of course 22.12.31 # how do I enter file name 22.12.45 Quit My_Sic (Client Quit) 22.12.49 # how do I say open file? 22.12.54 # You don't - you select a file in the file browser and choose "open with" 22.13.01 # hmm 22.13.10 # It's a "viewer" plugin. 22.13.11 # you need to hold select for a longer time until you get a menu 22.13.45 # lo folks ... fyi changing id3.h and tagcache.h now means Rockbox can ready my id3 tags :) 22.14.34 # ah, the lyrics? 22.14.42 # or didn't it read the id3 tags at all? 22.14.57 # it only read 300 bytes of the tag 22.15.04 # some of my tags are 2k 22.16.13 # should I just go ahead and submit the changes? Do they go to "pending for aproval" before acceptance to the mainline? 22.16.46 # RhinoBanga: i dont think you have submitt rights.. 22.16.57 # make a patch, and post it in the tracker.. 22.17.24 # and allow me to mention that it most likely won't be applied... 22.17.26 # just type "svn diff > coolpatch.patch" 22.17.54 # and I believe others have already mentioned this 22.18.05 Join dotCOMmie [0] (n=tox@ool-182dfa0f.dyn.optonline.net) 22.18.26 # Bagder: why not? The fix preserves the existing functionality, i.e. the id3 tag is 300 bytes and the tagcache goes from 512 byets to 600 22.18.28 # Are any of the I2C developers here? 22.18.34 # i though a patch to unify those two defines, (whithout changing the size) would be ok ?? .. 22.18.48 # so did I 22.18.51 # I think I found a bug in the coldfire I2C code 22.19.29 # ok, then it might. I just think that almost any work in that area will be replaced/changed for the MoB work 22.19.31 Part maffe 22.19.36 # [15:32:17] Slasheri: Unifying the define, I'm fine with. 22.19.53 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 22.19.54 # so it reads 2K tags with 300bytes buffer? 22.20.11 Part maffe 22.20.13 # Bagder: There are two changes, I assume. 22.20.22 # yes 22.20.28 # Bagder: He's added the define so it's easy for someone rolling their own build to change the tag size. 22.20.32 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 22.20.43 # Rather than having to find separate values, one for the id3 struct, and one for tagcache. 22.20.46 # oh well that change is of course nothing to argue about 22.21.33 # since I don't have commit rights does someone else watch to look over the patch and make the changes themselves? 22.22.32 # RhinoBanga: Just post the patch to the patch tracker. 22.22.37 # RhinoBanga: that is why you make a patch and submit it tot he tracker 22.23.04 # Anyway, I have no relation to this project so I dont feel like filing a bug report. Does anyone on the project want to take care of it? 22.23.35 # dotCOMmie: I don't understand. "I've found a bug, but I don't want to post it"? 22.23.35 # dotCOMmie: filing a bug report is the best way to get the right person to see it 22.24.01 # any instructions on how to do that ... looking over the http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches page doesn't help me much 22.24.02 # we're many people involved, most of us with particular areas of interest and skill 22.24.21 # Llorean: I dont use rockbox, I was just reading code 22.24.50 # RhinoBanga: You can use "svn diff" to create the patch (make sure the only changes present in your source tree at the time are the ones you want in the patch, or limit it to specific files) 22.25.06 # Then just go to the patch tracker and post a new task, and upload it. 22.25.14 # k ... will do 22.25.15 # dotCOMmie: ah so its just a possible problem, not an acutal bug on the target ? 22.25.50 # I dont know if it has any adverese effects.. anyway Its a one liner.. 22.26.13 # http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/drivers/i2c-coldfire.c?revision=10272&view=markup&pathrev=10668 22.26.13 # if its just on line, tell it here.. irc get logged :-) 22.26.22 # in function i2c_read 22.26.32 # iface[O_MBCR] &= ~TXAK; 22.27.03 # should not be set if count<=2 22.28.07 # so it should be if(count>2) iface[O_MBCR] &= ~TXAK; 22.28.32 # else tranmissions of 1 byte will screw up bus 22.28.35 # have fun 22.29.02 # PM me if anything 22.29.04 Part dotCOMmie 22.31.46 Join strids [0] (n=k@pppoecl83116.minlos.no) 22.32.28 # how do you make rockbox on ipod in disc mode instead of restarting into charging mode when you plug in an usb cable? 22.32.35 # hi , where can i download firmware v3.0 us for an f40 gigabeat ? 22.32.39 # I think you were supposed to press and hold something as you plugged the cable in? 22.33.14 # strids: Turn off the iPod, turn on the hold switch, plug in USB while Hold is on. 22.33.17 # AJS: ask toshiba, we deal with rockbox and we have no 3.0 22.33.51 # is it necesary v3.0 to install rockbox ? 22.33.55 Part RhinoBanga ("Client Exiting") 22.34.29 # Llorean: for some reason that seems to load the original firmware 22.34.46 # strids: I thought that's what you wanted. 22.34.53 # You said you wanted "disc mode" 22.34.58 # oh, sorry, no 22.35.05 # I just want to be able to play music while it charges over usb 22.35.14 # Oh, just hold down Menu while plugging in the USB cable 22.35.30 # You may have to hold it for quite some time after you plug it in, otherwise it may wait a bit, then restart anyway 22.36.22 # ah, that's it 22.36.24 # thanks a lot 22.36.29 # AJS: No specific firmware version should be needed to install Rockbox. 22.36.42 # At least, nobody has reported on a version it doesn't work with yet. 22.36.56 # i have v2.02 and i can't install it 22.37.21 # each time i try with the new bootloader it hags 22.37.36 # Where does it hang? Is there an error message? 22.37.50 # no , error 22.38.11 # but when i try with the old bootloader v 22.38.44 # does not work either, but i can get trough usb by safe mode 22.38.50 Part nls 22.39.01 # Please answer my other question, where does it hang? 22.39.14 # As well, try booting with the new bootloader while holding "Right" on the pad, and see what text comes up. 22.39.40 # in the beging , in the gigabeat inicial screen 22.40.04 # then i have to do a swap 22.41.00 # does it matter if the new bootloader is in jp , and the gigabeat version es in us ? 22.41.10 # There is no japanese Rockbox bootloader. 22.42.45 # when i open the bootloader from rockbox , the letters are in jp 22.42.54 # "Open"? 22.43.30 # http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/gigabeat/ 22.43.48 # That doesn't answer my question. 22.44.04 # You're supposed to download the more recent of the two files there. 22.44.11 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.44.14 # yes 22.44.23 # that's what i did 22.44.47 # but when you give it a click , you open de document and then you save it 22.44.48 Join crop [0] (i=d918e989@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2849b0ead7ec1317) 22.44.50 Quit thegeek () 22.45.00 # No, you click on it and choose save as. 22.45.01 Quit thegeek_ () 22.45.05 # Or right click, and choose save as. 22.45.15 # that's right 22.45.19 # You should not "Open" it, and if your browser is doing so, it has strange settings. 22.45.37 # You should never see the inside of that file, it's a binary file. You aren't seeing Japanese. 22.45.40 # ok, my mistake , you click save as , 22.46.09 # When you tried the older bootloader, did it have an error message? 22.46.29 # no , just a message , saying , rockbox loaded 22.46.43 # Hi. I'm having a problem with the build r13696 on my H120. In the FM, preset mode, I press RIGHT to switch the station. The display changes but the new station is not tuned. Only after the second or the third press does it change. 22.46.57 # but you can not touch any button 22.46.58 # Has anybody experienced the same? 22.47.36 # AJS: I'd need to know the whole message, not just the last line. 22.47.57 Quit scorche (Excess Flood) 22.48.02 # ok , send it in a minute 22.48.10 Join scorche [0] (i=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 22.48.13 # Copy it to pastebin.ca, or a similar site. 22.49.47 Join low_light [0] (i=c730180a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-9d248c47d96f813e) 22.49.55 # It can't be the defect button since the display changes and the new frequency is shown. 22.51.00 # crop: I'm trying it now and can't make it happen :\ 22.51.02 # ok , thx 22.51.18 Quit strids () 22.51.26 Quit HellDragon (Nick collision from services.) 22.51.31 # jhMikeS: did you see the i2c_read() comment from some 25 minutes ago? 22.51.54 Join HellDragon [0] (i=JD@unaffiliated/helldragon) 22.51.55 # I saw something but that's for coldfire 22.52.25 # h120 is coldfire.. and crop has a h120 ? 22.52.26 # yes, I just thought you might have a clue about it 22.52.27 # if you want me to look closer, can do 22.52.28 # jhMikeS: sometime it happens three or four times in a row. And then it switches, then works three or four times. After ~30 sec playing it happens again. 22.52.51 Join Hilikus [0] (n=aaa@penhune-lab-172-107.Concordia.CA) 22.53.02 # ah! we're making a connection between the two :) 22.53.13 # hey guys 22.53.15 # hehe, just spek#culating :-) 22.53.23 # -k# 22.53.32 # is there a way to change to a new directory, like when you cjange to a new song 22.53.53 # the radio always writes 5+addr bytes 22.53.54 # so that the random change directory chooses another directory (album) 22.54.02 # My build is from Jun 24, so the recent I2c change shouldn't apply 22.54.20 # the only thing I did was change the gigabeat 22.54.21 # Hilikus: You mean manually skip to the next folder? 22.54.46 # crop: region? 22.54.48 # Hilikus: maybe something like this? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginRandomFolderAdvanceConfig 22.54.50 # jeah, its very unlikely that we read only one byte from i2s 22.55.07 # jhMikeS: Europe 22.56.04 # pixelma im using that already, what i want is, a way to force a change in directory because sometimes that plugin you mentioned, jumps to an album that i heard an hour ago or so, because its random, so i need to force a new random directory selection 22.56.19 # jhMikeS: and one more thing: in the right head phone I hear low noise, in the same rhythm as music goes. I don't know if it's RB or the phone. 22.56.29 # which now i do but changing songs until i go over the last song and the plugin works again choosing a new album randomly 22.56.44 # linuxstb_ yes, thats what i mean 22.56.54 # any WPS people care to test & comment on FS#7345? 22.57.05 # get off the phone :) 22.57.23 # jhMikeS: yes, I'll try another one 22.58.09 # any ideas linuxstb_ 22.58.11 # hmmm...I still can't make it happen 22.58.25 Join matsl_ [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 22.58.33 # But it only happens if music is playing, not when someone just speaks. 22.58.52 # jhMikeS: I'll try the latest build 23.00.13 # But AFAIK no changes have been made recently to FM code 23.00.22 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.00.23 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 23.00.40 Part Llorean 23.00.51 # llorean 23.01.13 # left 23.01.15 # so the last byte is being acked when sending one byte and the last one shouldn't be acked (still green on i2c here) 23.02.22 # can someone help me , i have posted an error message in pastebin.ca , name : GIGABEAT ERROR 23.02.24 # jhMikeS: aha! I now know how to reproduce it! Switch the DAP on, immediately go to the main menu (the HD is still spinning, I'm not sure why) and activate FM 23.02.48 # it is an erro message every time i try to load rockbox 23.03.10 Quit merbanan (Remote closed the connection) 23.03.20 # I'm on main menu by default 23.03.23 # No sound! But if, after switching on, I wait until the HD stops spinning and then go to FM everything seems to be OK 23.03.59 # jhMikeS: sorry, I forgot. I'm in the file browser by default. 23.04.11 Quit AdmiralJ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.04.40 Join AdmiralJ [0] (n=AdmiralJ@c-69-252-146-232.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 23.04.58 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@i-83-67-214-206.freedom2surf.net) 23.05.16 # still not getting it 23.05.40 # Hilikus: there is a buttoncombination to change to the next dir manually (at least on h300). try play+left or short press + long press on left. 23.06.06 Join mud-rb [0] (n=jas6180@c-71-202-129-6.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 23.06.30 # uh, what exactly is the last thing on the line in viewers.config? 23.06.47 # jhMikeS: I could reproduce it now 3 times out of four tries 23.06.48 # can someone help , i have posted an error message in pastebin.ca , name :GIGABEAT ERROR 23.07.22 # i can't load rockbox 23.07.30 # jhMikeS: I also don't quite understand why the disc is spinning so long after power on (about 10 sec) 23.08.24 # crop: maybe you should clear settings and see if it still happens? 23.08.36 # thanks paul 23.09.42 # Hilikus: btw, when i wrote left i actually meant right. but i guess that doesn't matter when it is set to random. 23.09.50 # mud-rb - mine says "colours,rocks/text_editor,11" 23.10.05 Quit Hilikus () 23.10.08 # it enables you to edit the .colours files, using the text editor 23.10.12 # stripmax: yeah, what does the '11' part mean? 23.10.16 # wax, sorry 23.10.17 # that's the icon 23.10.28 # oh i see, thanks...i guess - is no icon maybe? 23.10.31 # same as on all the other lines 23.10.33 # yep 23.12.34 # jhMikeS: I've just reproduced it with the latest build. I'll try resetting settings now 23.14.40 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 23.15.12 # mud-rb - this wiki page shows the icons http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IconSets 23.15.56 # stripwax: oh thank you :) 23.16.18 # jhMikeS: after settings were cleared I couldn't get it. But after loading my old settings it's back. I have dir cache active. Is this the reason for the disc activity after power on? 23.16.58 # mud-rb - actually, this page shows what the number and the ",rocks" or ",viewers" stuff means. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomIcons 23.17.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.17.41 # oh even better, haha thanks i was just looking for that 23.17.50 # crop: maybe. and entering the screen accesses the disk to load presets 23.19.07 Quit Wiwie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.19.32 # jhMikeS: but when I switch the station the correct frequency is displayed. I think something doesn't get initialised properly. IIRC, after power on, some threads have to run to initialize the sound system 23.20.36 # OK, I'll live with it. Or maybe will put more energy into it and find out what setting is to blame. But I have to leave now. Thank you for taking time. 23.20.40 # crop: yes that's likely it 23.21.04 # I can make it do it if things haven't progress far enough before entering the screen. 23.21.27 Quit RaRe` (Connection timed out) 23.22.02 # jhMikeS: what can you? Could you reproduce it? 23.22.19 # yes 23.22.26 # with dircache enabled 23.22.43 # jhMikeS: aha! So I'm not totally twisted! 23.23.23 # the sound comes up as soon as dircache is done loading 23.23.43 Quit Domonoky (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.24.07 Quit matsl_ ("Leaving") 23.24.28 # But if you activate FM while HD is spinning you get no sound in FM, right? 23.24.43 # right 23.25.05 # And even when switching stations (2 of 3 times)? 23.25.50 # it will stay silent until dircache it done loading. I ran through the entire band many times until hd light stopped then it finally came up. 23.26.32 Part low_light 23.26.49 # Hm... For me, it still happens even after 5 min playing FM 23.26.56 # Ah, now I really have to go. Bye! 23.27.00 Part crop 23.28.23 # hi , i have an erro when trying to install rockbox 23.28.52 # i posted the error message in pastebin.ca under the name GIGABEAT ERROR 23.28.55 # jhMikeS: http://www.standardics.nxp.com/literature/books/i2c/pdf/i2c.bus.specification.pdf 23.30.01 # (pages 10..11) 23.30.22 # ajs: post a link? i'm lazy 23.30.28 # ok 23.30.46 # http://www.pastebin.ca/590901 23.32.15 # so it just freezes after ROCKBOX LOADED ? 23.32.20 # yes 23.32.54 # hmm, i'm not sure. i guess just try the install again and make sure you're following the instructions to the letter 23.33.06 # i read somewhere the firmware v may be the problem 23.33.33 # i have tried to install it several times 23.33.45 # with the same results 23.34.05 # i see, sorry then i guess someone who knows gigabeat will have to help if there's nothing in the forums or something 23.34.26 # no , whel thanks anyway 23.41.12 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23.41.33 # would think the suggested solution is incorrect for a master receiver then. for count == 2 it should read a byte, ack, read the last and not ack. 23.43.48 # Iiuc a master receiver _always_ acknowledges 23.44.08 # A slave receiver would nack the last byte to stop the master 23.44.16 # As mentioned, _iiuc_ 23.45.00 # read section 7.2, last para on p 10 23.45.38 # not acking tells the slave transmitter the master receiver is done 23.45.47 # Ah yes 23.47.56 # slave receiver acks every byte 23.48.32 # A slave receiver can also nack, even its address 23.49.32 # But these nacks would be error conditions 23.54.04 # I suppose the corrent fix is: if (count <= 1), not if (count <= 2) 23.57.00 Join apcfreak [0] (n=Apcfreak@71-222-210-83.albq.qwest.net) 23.58.12 # Hey all. Does anyone know what size of album art that works with the DockPodAA theme?