--- Log for 27.06.107 Server: brown.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 11 days and 6 hours ago 00.00.05 # it's on the wiki page you downloaded the theme from 00.00.19 # mud-rb: no it shouldnt...AA is not part of the official build 00.00.21 # hehe, thanks. i didn't download the theme, it came with a build 00.00.33 # ok, thanks guys. 00.00.33 # mud-rb: but it is in its own entry in the wiki, as it should be 00.00.35 Quit Echelon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.00.43 # apcfreak - ask such questions of the build author in future pls! 00.01.00 # Ok, will do 00.01.06 # maybe he included an old version of that theme in his build (only he will know..) 00.01.11 # ta 00.01.38 Part apcfreak 00.01.57 Quit ender` (" Shortly after Dr. Samuel Johnson had published his Dictonary of the English Language (in 1755), a splendid British lady appr) 00.03.37 Quit AdmiralJ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.07.40 Quit entheh ("^~") 00.08.12 # Any dev had any thought on the bitmap version of Sliding Puzzle yet?/ 00.08.35 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3178.gwdg.de) 00.08.41 # (this thing http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7218) 00.09.40 Quit ompaul ("night") 00.09.47 Join AdmiralJ [0] (n=AdmiralJ@c-69-252-146-232.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 00.10.32 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 00.11.21 Join mpeccorini [0] (n=mpeccori@mail1.theargusgroup.us) 00.12.49 # AJS: maybe rockbox doesn't work well with the japanese gigabeat firmware 00.14.55 Join Hilikus [0] (n=ROCKERO@bas4-montreal19-1242419734.dsl.bell.ca) 00.15.00 # hello 00.16.03 # hey omeone told me you can manually change directories in the archos by holding play + right, but that doestn work in my X5, is there a combination for the x5? 00.17.22 # isn't this mentioned in the manual? 00.17.51 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 00.18.12 # i didnt find it, let my try again, the first time i wasnt looking for that 00.18.43 # * stripwax chuckles 00.20.14 # wooo, my plugin sort of works, except for all of the features i haven't even looked at 00.22.14 # mud-rb - what does it do? 00.23.15 # stripwax: it's a game recorder/viewer for go/igo/weiqi/baduk. right now all you can do is view, and you can't back up at all, but most of the framework is there at least i just need to add some minor logic 00.23.48 # and then there's the problem where all of the code looks like ass, but i can fix that later, haha 00.23.54 # heh 00.25.00 Quit mirak ("Ex-Chat") 00.26.38 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.27.01 Join Quelsaruk [0] (n=kvirc@108.pool85-61-16.dynamic.orange.es) 00.27.52 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 00.28.07 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 00.29.03 Quit Siltaar (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.29.34 Join Echelon [0] (i=ryan@64.34.204.149) 00.34.14 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 00.37.14 # hi 00.37.37 # nop, its not in the manual 00.37.46 # any ideas how to change directory manually? 00.38.25 Join agm3nt [0] (n=opera@mimoza.tu.kielce.pl) 00.39.04 Quit SirFunk (Remote closed the connection) 00.39.22 # Hilikus: form looking at the x5 keymap, it looks as if ther is no special button combination for that, but the short-long press on right should work. 00.40.47 # play is pause, so if i hold play it will go to the current playlist, and if i press right, it will play the selected song 00.41.18 Part agm3nt 00.41.59 # do the folowing: in the wps skip to the next song and immediately fastforward. 00.42.32 # wow, i think it worked 00.43.03 # oh wait, it froze 00.44.18 # hmmm i does work but the new album starts not at the beginning of the first song due to the fastforward 00.44.40 # oh i got it, is just a timing issue 00.44.43 # greeeeeat! 00.44.48 # best feature ever! 00.45.36 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.46.02 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF695B.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.46.14 Quit AJS () 00.46.47 # it freezes a lot when i do it 00.49.21 # i guess thats why is not documented 00.51.51 # does anyone know if there's been any word on that LCD bug on the sansa with the top two or three lines having garbage in them? 00.53.07 # oh nevermind, i found the bug report for it, doesn't seem like much is happening with it 00.54.00 Quit Quelsaruk ("KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/") 00.54.12 Join ryanm [0] (n=ryan@c-71-61-59-0.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 00.55.46 # PaulJam_ where did you find about that combination? 00.56.43 # its 6:55 pm and rockbox gives the time as '6:M pc' on all the theme i use. how can i change this? i've read the pdf and the nano faq, unless i missed somthing 00.56.50 Join safetydan [0] (i=cbca159f@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 00.57.15 # i have that problem too ryann, i thing its a change in the tags 00.58.53 # ryanm, you need to update the time tag to the correct syntax. 00.59.21 # ryanm: the wps tags for the time display have changed a while ago, see the CustomWPS wiki page. 00.59.29 # yeah, in the rockbox default theme its fine, but not in the themes. i was hoping i could change that option without figuring out how themes work and changing them manually in a text editor and then reloading 00.59.54 # thats what you need to do 01.00.01 # Then those themes need to be updated: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipod4gray/rockbox-buildap2.html#x14-236000B.14 01.01.13 # ok, thanks, i'll look into that. 01.02.28 Quit Hilikus ("Estoy usando el Ambar-Script v1.1, yo lo cree y me quedo muy bacano, bajatelo de http://pagina.de/deporcali | There are 10 ki) 01.04.10 # nice wooden binary calculator: http://chaosradio.ccc.de/ctv089.html 01.04.17 # last thing. in the apple firmware, if you need to skip ahead in a long audio file quickly, you can double click 'select' and then move your thumb clockwise around the wheel to skip ahead, and then hit select again to give a song a rating and then select one more time to get back to normal. i use that skip ahead function all the time, is there a setting for that behavior in rockbox? 01.04.39 # No. However, you can set the rate at which fast forward accelerates. 01.04.42 # by the way i'm using a nano first gen 01.04.50 # ok, thanks 01.05.31 # ryanm: look at the description of "Fast-Forward/Rewind" here: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodnano/rockbox-buildch7.html#x10-1030007.1 01.08.17 Quit obo ("bye") 01.09.32 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 01.14.19 Quit matsl (Remote closed the connection) 01.16.50 Quit PaulJam_ (".") 01.17.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.18.01 Quit bdgraue (Remote closed the connection) 01.19.40 Join Hilikus [0] (n=rockero@bas4-montreal19-1242419734.dsl.bell.ca) 01.22.53 Join saratoga [0] (i=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-40597c3aec3872af) 01.24.01 # if i do svn update, will it wipe out changes/new files i've made? 01.24.15 # i have backups of course, but it would be annoying, and the svn docs are pretty scary 01.25.57 Quit AdmiralJ ("Quitting") 01.25.59 # nevermind, figured it out 01.29.16 Join webguest70 [0] (i=c635dad7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a94f3f68c2c5ddca) 01.29.19 # i don't like the scrolling behaviour on my ipod, when I try to scroll slowly it starts skipping entries. Even if I stop scrolling (but keep touching the scrollwheel), then continue scrolling, it skips entries like I never stopped scrolling 01.29.27 Quit webguest70 (Client Quit) 01.30.28 Join webguest20 [0] (i=c635dad7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2fae70c4d242ef7d) 01.30.33 # hey 01.31.11 # neonee here 01.33.17 # ???????????? 01.33.45 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.34.08 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF6543.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.34.13 # webguest20: i've never seen an IRC client that doesn't list the people in a chanel 01.35.04 Join RaRe [0] (n=Laffin_B@202-89-187-101.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) 01.35.11 # thanks guys, i fixed my time problem by changing the wps tags. that wasn't so hard. thanks 01.37.02 # can someone help me with installation 01.37.37 # webguest20: did you follow the installation instructions? if you have a specific question just ask it 01.38.40 # yes 01.38.45 # but i wstill cant understand it 01.38.51 # you think you could quickly explain it? 01.38.54 # what cant you understand about it? 01.39.04 # it is quite clear in the manual 01.39.08 # i dont know just like when i install it it dosnt work 01.39.12 # like after i press 01.39.13 # ienter 01.39.14 # what does it do? 01.39.20 # that thing dosnt pop up 01.39.23 # thats supposed to 01.39.26 # "that thing"? 01.39.35 # yea it sais a box should 01.39.37 # like first 01.39.45 # i extract it to my ipod folder right 01.39.52 # like c documents program files ipod 01.39.58 # no 01.40.02 # to the root of your device 01.40.09 # so itunes? 01.40.16 # did i say itunes? 01.40.20 # no 01.40.22 # whats the root 01.40.23 # though 01.40.45 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_directory 01.40.55 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.41.08 # the folder you see when you access your ipod via My Computer 01.41.20 # okay 01.41.23 # so the c drive 01.41.30 # no, not the c drive 01.41.35 # no, thats your hard drive 01.41.36 # typically the C drive is your computer..not the ipod 01.41.46 # it will be another named drive, that's only there when your ipod is plugged in 01.41.49 # so like to get to mine 01.41.50 # i go 01.41.59 # do i plug my iopod in before i do anything 01.42.01 # or after? 01.42.11 # your ipod should be plugged in first 01.42.13 # how are you supposed to access it if it isnt plugged in? 01.42.19 # you need to plug in your ipod to copy stuff onto it 01.42.21 # with magic 01.42.28 Join krp [0] (n=krp@mar92-10-82-239-65-214.fbx.proxad.net) 01.42.44 # k so im trying to get to my ipod folder right? 01.43.02 # you are trying to get to the ipod itself 01.43.15 # okay 01.43.21 # so what would it normally be under? 01.43.29 # it will appear in My Computer 01.43.42 # i know that but then where 01.44.07 # a device should come up with a name of "ipod" 01.44.32 # it dosnt 01.44.34 # if it doesnt, you'll need to set that in itunes 01.44.35 # theres 01.44.38 # local disk 01.44.42 # dvd ram 01.44.53 # is your ipod plugged in? 01.45.04 # yea 01.45.15 # then you have to enable a setting in itunes 01.45.23 # which one? 01.45.32 # ...which is offtopic for this channel...use google to find it 01.45.42 # you cant jsut tell me that one thing.. 01.45.47 # i have never used itunes 01.45.55 # most of the people here are the same 01.45.55 Part safetydan 01.46.21 # most of us probably have no idea, if someone uses itunes they can probably speak up but google is your best bet 01.46.26 # ok 01.46.27 # i got it 01.46.35 # its under e: 01.46.45 # so now double click that? 01.46.51 Part ryanm 01.46.54 # you just said it wasnt in my computer... 01.47.01 # i fixed it 01.47.02 # so now it is 01.47.09 # i enabled it so i can manually manage it 01.47.26 # ok...then follow the instruction in the manual 01.47.57 # for sum reason when i click the manualk 01.47.59 # it dosnt go 01.48.03 # it just freezes 01.48.30 # you said you followed the installation instructions... 01.48.43 # yea but that was from a link someone gave me of the old manaul 01.48.45 # or somthing 01.48.50 # what link? 01.48.51 # click on the 'online' link for the manual 01.49.02 # if that doesn't work, you have bigger problems than rockbox can help with 01.49.08 # okk 01.49.10 # got it 01.49.11 # ill try 01.52.11 Join thegeek [0] (i=thegeek@ti521110a080-0286.bb.online.no) 01.52.40 # ok 01.52.41 # it worked 01.52.45 # but how come its all so small 01.52.52 # read the manual 01.53.05 # and how come theres no music on it now? 01.53.09 # read the manual 01.53.35 # webguest20, the music is under Ipod_control with very confusing filenames (a "feature" of itunes) 01.53.57 # read the manual to find out how to use the itunes db, or just drop some music on the ipod 01.54.36 # (you can just copy over any mp3 to the ipod drive in My Computer, it'll show up in rockbox under 'files' 01.57.26 # so with rock box 01.57.33 # can i still have playlists etc... 01.57.40 # read the manual 01.57.47 # not itunes ones...read the...yeah 01.58.09 # i dont get at all how to pput music on to it 01.58.15 # do i totally not use itunes 01.58.26 # you can if you wish 01.58.37 # ok while having the skins still 01.58.37 # ? 01.58.42 # skins? 01.59.06 # like the different designs 01.59.09 # for the background 01.59.18 # well, those are rockbox themes 01.59.46 # yea 01.59.49 # can i still use them 01.59.52 # if i use itunes 01.59.54 # ? 02.00.01 # yes 02.00.12 # ok 02.00.17 # so how do i put my music back on? 02.00.28 # last time...read the manual 02.00.30 # i dont get the manuall 02.00.40 # what part dont you get? 02.01.24 # where does it say about adding music 02.01.39 # just read trhough it...you will find it 02.01.47 # through 02.02.10 # but how to keep themes on it 02.02.14 # and put the music on 02.02.17 # throguh itunes 02.02.25 # it says in the manual 02.02.30 # read it 02.03.26 # k well can i also put music on by clicking on my ipod through my cmpute 02.03.26 # r 02.03.28 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=steve-o@adsl-64-217-219-154.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 02.03.37 # then clicking .rockbox 02.03.50 # you dont have to click on .rockbox, but yes 02.04.06 # ok so how do i then though because theres no music file 02.04.15 # do i just make a new folder called like rock 02.04.19 # and drag all my rock songs in thre 02.05.10 # ? 02.05.13 Mode "#rockbox +o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 02.05.14 Mode "#rockbox +b %*!*c635dad7@* " by scorche (i=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 02.05.24 # i have told you enough times to read the manual 02.06.09 # you can speak again in 10 min...use that time to read the manual, or do what you will 02.06.22 # 02.06.56 Quit mpeccorini (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Like it? Visit #hydrairc on EFNet") 02.07.28 Quit jurrie ("Leaving") 02.10.48 Quit webguest20 (Client Quit) 02.10.57 Join webguest34 [0] (i=c635dad7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-384068685aa951e0) 02.11.05 Quit webguest34 (Client Quit) 02.11.38 # or you can be impatient and not be able to wait 10 min... 02.11.52 # hahaha 02.12.13 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.12.21 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF5B93.dip.t-dialin.net) 02.15.34 Mode "#rockbox -b %*!*c635dad7@* " by scorche (i=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 02.15.42 Mode "#rockbox -o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 02.20.27 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.8.50) 02.22.43 # anyone else have trouble building libdemac in the UI sim lately? 02.23.35 # i had to comment it out of the makefile 02.24.14 # if it's part of the normal build, it worked fine for me with the e200 simulator build 02.30.12 Part pixelma 02.32.58 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 02.37.49 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 02.43.36 Join Falco98 [0] (n=chatzill@cpe-075-183-141-200.sc.res.rr.com) 02.45.11 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp76-180.adsl.forthnet.gr) 02.45.20 # anyone here feel like going through with me the difference between "queue 02.45.23 # gah 02.45.29 # between "queue" and "queue next"? 02.46.19 # Queue next. 02.46.19 # Queue track(s) immediately after current playing track. 02.46.31 # yes 02.46.49 # and 02.47.00 # i was always under the impression (perhaps directly told) that "queue 02.47.02 # GAH 02.47.07 # (keep hitting enter early, hehe) 02.47.29 # that "queue" would queue something after the last thing queued 02.47.38 # (same thing with "insert" versus "insert next") 02.47.52 # yes...so what's the confusion then? 02.47.59 Quit GodEater (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.48.13 # queue: after the last thing you queued/inserted queue next: after what's playing 02.48.14 # i wanted to get confirmation that my thinking was right, because as far as i can tell, it's broken 02.48.19 # like 02.48.28 # i'm in the middle of a long random playlist 02.48.31 # i feel like listening to some albums 02.48.37 # so i select one and "queue next" 02.49.01 # i select another one and simply do "queue", figuring (hoping) that it will be queued after the end of the one i just did a second ago 02.49.17 # but, in fact, the second album has been "queue next"ed 02.49.26 # much to my unending frustration and confusion 02.49.44 # my build is less than a week old, and i just did this paying very close attention, like 2 days ago 02.51.26 # seems to work as the manual states for me 02.53.32 # are you sure you understand the difference between them all? it is a little confusing. the manual is pretty clear though. i guess just try again with the most recent build and make sure it's really broken 02.57.11 Quit XavierGr () 02.57.56 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp76-180.adsl.forthnet.gr) 02.57.59 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.175.87) 03.04.26 # i'll try updating 03.04.52 # but i figure that if my description (above) of the way i'm expecting things to work is accurate, then my diagnosis is correct 03.05.15 # can you describe what you do to replicate? 03.05.24 # so i can be sure we're on the same page aobut things? 03.05.26 # which platform is this on exactly? 03.05.30 # sure, let me redo it 03.07.18 # my iriver h140 03.09.24 # i just tried on my h10 03.09.43 # saratoga: What's your problem with libdemac? Or is it working now? 03.09.50 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 03.11.18 # oh hmm, maybe it's doing something weird for directories with more than one file, i was using small directories before...let me try that again 03.11.19 # in the middle of a random playlist... i "queue next" on a beach boys album, making it come up immediately next in my playlist. then i come back to the WPS, rest a few seconds, then go and "queue" on "ben folds live", which is now suddenly queued right after the first track of the beach boys album i just queued 03.11.34 # FWIW i'm doing the operation on playlist files 03.11.42 Quit XavierGr ("One firmware to rule them all!") 03.11.47 # though as far as i know it works identically for directory operations too 03.12.39 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp76-180.adsl.forthnet.gr) 03.12.47 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 03.12.52 # yeah, it seems to queue after the first track of the queue next, not after them all 03.12.57 Quit relaxed (Remote closed the connection) 03.13.05 # i wonder if that's what it's supposed to do, because it doens't seem that useful 03.14.15 # correct =) 03.14.25 # that's exactly what i was thinking, hehe 03.14.52 # wonder if Hardeep is around... 03.17.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.18.02 # yeah, i'd put in a bug report because i can't imagine that's the expected behavior 03.19.07 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 03.19.13 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 03.22.38 Join jurrie [0] (n=jurrie@adsl-068-209-041-021.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) 03.23.36 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.24.01 Quit Thundercloud_ (Remote closed the connection) 03.25.25 Quit mud-rb ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12") 03.25.35 Quit thegeek (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.38.48 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.39.02 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF6184.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.44.24 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c58-109-97-210.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au) 03.54.03 # alright, i'll do that 04.08.49 Join Nic0_P [0] (n=nicolas@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 04.08.55 Quit Nic0_P (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.08.59 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 04.09.07 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 04.13.59 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.14.25 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF4C8A.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.15.26 Join mud-rb [0] (n=jas6180@c-71-202-129-6.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 04.25.05 # can somenoe help me with this 04.25.07 # make[1]: *** [rocks] Error 2 04.25.07 # make: *** [build] Error 2 04.25.15 # theres no error when compiling 04.25.23 Join bonbonthejon [0] (n=jon@cpe-69-133-37-32.cinci.res.rr.com) 04.25.23 # scroll up and find the actual error 04.25.24 # how can i check what was the problem 04.25.34 # theres none 04.25.44 # Hilikus: So the line before that was $ make? 04.26.10 # no, a bunch of, nothing to be done for 'all' 04.26.11 # how can I upload a picture for the wiki 04.26.21 # copy and paste the whole thing somewhere (not directly here probably). if there's an error message in there will you give me money? 04.26.29 # because i bet there is 04.26.38 # Hilikus: Pastebin the entire output from where you typed make, to where it said error 2 04.27.03 # bonbonthejon: Click the upload button at the bottom of the wiki page 04.27.06 # hilikus@hilikus-terminal:~/rockbox/build$ make | grep error 04.27.07 # make[1]: *** [rocks] Error 2 04.27.23 # Hilikus: That's not exactly helpful. 04.27.23 # i will, but theres no error, thats why im asking for help 04.27.31 # Don't grep for error 04.27.36 # And use pastebin.ca 04.27.41 # Because the output will be long. 04.27.54 # bonbonthejon: Er, not upload - attach. 04.28.06 # aliask: I figure 04.28.07 # d 04.28.44 # http://pastebin.ca/591263 04.29.24 # Hilikus: Is this with a clean source? 04.29.35 # no 04.29.49 # Does compiling a clean checkout work? 04.29.58 # but i guess my question is more, where can i see the error, rather than, fix it for me 04.30.00 # yes 04.30.36 # Well, it looks like it's crashing right near the end of the compile, but I'm not quite sure why 04.30.50 # any ideas why it wouldnt say? 04.30.51 # Doesn't look like it's gcc that's throwing the error, otherwise you'd get more info 04.31.26 # Well, the only clue you've really got is that it is something do to with the changes you've made. 04.31.31 # Which files have you edited? 04.31.38 # a lot of them 04.31.54 # its been a while since i synced and i did so today 04.32.04 # a while being probably more than a month 04.32.35 # Perhaps there's something wrong with the SOURCES file in the rocks directory 04.33.00 # Erm, not rocks, plugins 04.33.42 # i played with it, maybe, let me see 04.33.47 # is there a special format for it? 04.34.06 # Not really. Just one line per file, and #ifdef's etc 04.34.19 # whats interpreting that file? 04.34.31 # A script in tool iirc 04.34.58 # ohh crap 04.35.00 # i found it 04.35.09 # its a conflict in the svn update 04.35.18 # so there are a bunch of <<< mine things 04.35.27 # Was it in SOURCES? 04.35.30 # yes 04.35.38 # Wow, good guess. 04.35.45 # hmm i can't believe that wouldn't give an error of some kind 04.35.46 # if you didnt point me out to that it wouldve been ages 04.35.54 # thanks a lot 04.36.04 # No worries. 04.36.26 # agree mud-rb 04.36.47 # should i notify someone? 04.39.15 # Probably, but I don't exactly know who's area this is.. 04.39.29 # sweet, it worked 04.39.36 # It'll be hard to fix though 04.39.50 # It's basically just cat-ing the SOURCES file into the make file 04.40.13 # i wish i knew make at all, there must be some error getting supressed somewhere, right? 04.40.22 # mud-rb: you can send me the money through paypal :P 04.40.41 # Hilikus: :( 04.40.50 Join thegeek [0] (i=thegeek@ti521110a080-0286.bb.online.no) 04.40.52 # hehe 04.40.57 # Hilikus: what's your bank account #? i'll send it right over wink wink 04.41.37 # i'll better give you my credit card # to make sure it doest go anywhere else 04.41.47 # haha 04.43.09 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@cpe-74-71-205-222.twcny.res.rr.com) 04.44.12 # is multi-color text already in the main build or its still a patch? 04.45.22 # i'm pretty sure i saw chatter about it in the svn commits, but i didn't pay much attention 04.45.40 # main build 04.46.07 # although, it is only for supported extentions in the browser atm 04.46.25 # the file browser? 04.46.29 # yes 04.46.52 # ok, thanks 04.47.01 # i love rb 04.47.05 # Seems like feature creep to me 04.47.40 # yeah multi-color text is kind of a weird feature, but i'm barely qualified to have an opinion 04.48.02 # I suppose I do like the fact that ls gives coloured output though... 04.48.16 # But we have icons where ls doesn't. 04.48.18 # i think its stupid, i only need it because so many themes use the patch, so to make them work i have to go and modify a million lines in a million themes 04.48.19 # aliask: it was actually pretty cool...then again, it was one of those odd projects that happen when you get a bunch of "nerds" together and call it a devcon 04.48.34 # Heh :) 04.48.52 # whats ls 04.49.09 # Linux equivelant of dir for DOS 04.49.12 # it was a start to getting that in the WPS which is a often requested feature 04.49.28 # oh that ls 04.50.11 # i guess its usefu for picture backdrops where the same colour everywhere is not good 04.51.01 # it is useful for dirs that have many different types of files in them 04.51.18 # Or similarly named files, with different extensions 04.51.19 # ooh thats why you were talking about ls 04.51.28 # "Which one was the jpg?" 04.51.29 # yah, thats nice 04.51.52 # brb 04.51.54 Part Hilikus 04.54.04 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 04.58.47 Join Hilikus [0] (n=rockero@bas4-montreal19-1242419734.dsl.bell.ca) 05.06.15 # hey any idea what this library is? 05.06.21 # usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ldemac 05.06.54 # its when trying to link vorbis.codec for the sim 05.06.58 # hmm no, but i think someone mentioned sometihng about having a problem building it earlier today.. 05.07.24 # actually i built the sim without problems before i updated today 05.13.56 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@24-119-114-203.cpe.cableone.net) 05.14.44 Join webguest30 [0] (i=47697b12@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-255efe3e1e1d0286) 05.17.07 Join AdmiralJ [0] (n=AdmiralJ@c-69-252-146-232.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 05.17.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.17.52 Quit webguest30 (Client Quit) 05.20.01 Join newton [0] (n=newton@c-f6b7e455.40-0010-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 05.24.28 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@65.198.26.227) 05.29.44 Join aaronw [0] (n=chatzill@68-112-180-65.dhcp.fdul.wi.charter.com) 05.35.30 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.35.56 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF6D20.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.37.36 Quit Alonea (Remote closed the connection) 05.47.49 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.47.55 Quit thegeek (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.49.09 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 05.49.15 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 05.50.13 # hey i think i fixed the linker problem, in case someone else asks, you just need to recreate the makefile, so run configure again 05.50.59 # oh, i should have thought of that if you hadn't updated in a while... 05.51.18 Join webguest82 [0] (i=182f52e8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b1141b34b9531071) 05.51.23 # hehe 05.55.35 Quit webguest82 (Client Quit) 05.55.54 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.dsl.t-2.net) 05.58.17 # is there a tempfile interface of some kind of plugins? (get an unused garbage filename easily) 05.58.23 # s/of/for/ 06.00.17 Join atmosphere [0] (n=dsd@ool-182f52e8.dyn.optonline.net) 06.00.43 # hey 06.01.03 # can somebody give me a little help please? :) 06.01.40 # hi :) i'm sure someone can--it's usually easier if you just ask your question 06.02.11 # ah well i have a sansa e280, and need a bit of help getting it set up because for some reason the rockbox site wont let me download the software for it 06.02.18 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.02.29 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF601F.dip.t-dialin.net) 06.02.33 # and i REALLY hate the sandisk crap on it, it lags sometimes for way to long 06.03.04 # oh what the hell 06.03.08 # http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-sansae200/rockbox.zip this is the link you're trying? 06.03.11 # now when i try, it works as soon as i figure this out 06.03.20 # yeah that just started dling on firefox 06.03.35 # ah okay, yeah sometimes the build server gets a bit overloaded 06.03.37 # this computer is so weird.. 06.03.47 # oh lol good i thought it was this vista crap :) 06.03.51 Quit aaronw ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]") 06.03.57 # was getting worried m$ screwed up again :| 06.04.13 # haha 06.04.49 # all the information should be on the manual right because that didnt load either for a minute before 06.05.08 # yeah the manual and installation instructions are pretty good 06.05.42 # thanks ill stick around for a little to make sure i get it working 06.07.55 # gn guys 06.07.59 # thanks for the help 06.08.07 Part Hilikus 06.08.46 Join donutman25 [0] (n=chatzill@24.244.161.34) 06.10.05 # one quick question 06.10.21 # if i have music (as in 30mb left on the device out of 8 gig) it'll still load right 06.10.41 # yeah, that shouldn't be a problem as long as there is enough space for rockbox 06.11.01 # how big is rb cause i might as well do some cleaning up 06.11.05 # few meg/ 06.11.28 # looks like....around 5 megs, without the fonts 06.11.57 # not sure how big the font pack is, probably a few megs 06.12.08 # oh sure then ill be fine 06.12.18 # ill just get rid of some crap i hate anyway 06.15.15 # oh if you want to use the "database" part of rockbox i'm sure that uses some space too...probably is best if you make a little extra 06.16.04 # i just freed up about a gig 06.16.13 # should be enough haha 06.16.15 # haha, yeah i think it'll fit :) 06.16.46 # stupid me i had a cd version of dawn of the dead on there? taking up 771mb ok yeah an hour and a half compressed that low, ehh its somewhat watchable 06.17.11 # wow, i can never watch movies on such small screens.. 06.17.22 # lol its not 06.17.30 # it was under music, not video, and not even sansa-compressed 06.17.37 # oh haha 06.17.39 # you cant do uncompressed on this screen ithe firmware sucks 06.17.56 # errr...should it have worked if i just unzipped it to the sansa haha shit. 06.18.12 # haha you probably want to follow the installation instructions 06.18.20 # i did somewhat 06.18.23 # but that's not going to hurt something, you have to do that eventually 06.18.39 # what should it do 06.18.43 # if its successful 06.18.53 # boot directly to the rockbox? 06.19.10 # haha...you probably want to read the installation instructions, but yes it will boot to rockbox after you install it correctly and reset it 06.19.24 # ahh reset 06.19.27 # could help 06.19.37 # its refreshing anyway 06.19.41 # because i deleted stuff 06.19.48 # yeah, i hate that part 06.20.01 # takes forever 06.20.06 # my old zen never did this 06.20.15 # hard drives i think dont need to? or sansa being annoying 06.20.26 # sansa being annoying 06.20.31 # figures 06.20.37 # k so for reset 06.21.05 # reset all 06.21.08 # on the player? 06.21.18 # or like a ..(fill in here please :D ) 06.21.38 # hmm, i'm not sure what you're talking about... 06.21.41 # reset as in power off and on 06.21.44 # oh 06.21.46 # but did you follow the instructions? 06.21.48 # yeah 06.21.50 # because they're kind of important 06.21.52 # im pretty sure 06.22.01 # i did like look at it and do what it said 06.22.06 # so if it didnt ill do it over 06.22.23 # nope didnt work 06.22.25 # gotta try again 06.22.38 # you probably skipped the bootloader steps.. 06.22.53 # probably :) 06.23.10 # i think msn and aim and tv need to go off 06.30.13 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.30.37 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@c-71-205-0-132.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 06.33.49 # mud 06.33.50 # you there? 06.34.00 # yep, what's up? 06.34.09 # thank you 06.34.10 # a lot 06.34.12 # but now 06.34.47 # when im in math next year, and my average is so low, because im busy playing helicopter game and watching fireworks ..on my mp3 player.. i'll blame it on you guys haha :) thanks so much 06.34.54 # lol 06.35.01 # no problem :) have fun 06.37.12 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007060115]") 06.39.40 # does the thing refresh 06.39.42 # every time 06.39.43 # i charge it 06.39.57 # cuz i had it working and i plugged it in 06.40.08 # and now i took it out for a sec and it was refreshing not charging on the thingy 06.40.51 # oh, you probably want to read the manual but: rockbox doesn't know how to deal with usb for transfering files and such so when it is off if you plug it in it will go to the original firmware so you can transfer files and charge 06.40.54 # if that's what you mean 06.41.05 # so then i just 06.41.15 # restart 06.41.17 # hmph 06.41.33 # ahhhh 06.41.34 # i see 06.41.49 # rockbox = 20x faster then sansa crap 06.41.55 # gg sandisk 06.41.58 # haha, yeah 06.42.53 # ty so much man im gonna go, peace 06.42.59 # later 06.43.02 Quit atmosphere () 07.08.19 Quit Falco98 ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]") 07.13.14 Join webguest33 [0] (i=0cd2f106@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c218dfea43b7b9d8) 07.17.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.25.04 Part toffe82 07.26.28 Quit webguest33 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 07.31.53 Quit ptw419 () 07.33.44 Join davina [0] (n=dave@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 07.42.27 Join Gibbed [0] (i=rick@pool-71-108-0-13.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 07.42.29 Quit Rick (Nick collision from services.) 07.45.43 Nick Gibbed is now known as Rick (i=rick@pool-71-108-0-13.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 07.58.14 Join bushblows [0] (n=bushblow@unaffiliated/bushblows) 07.58.17 # hello 08.01.11 # I am having a weird problem, have been trying for awhile now 08.01.26 # no matter what I can not get rockbox to boot on a 30gb ipod video 08.01.27 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 08.01.31 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp144-178.adsl.forthnet.gr) 08.07.15 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B16E13.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.09.19 # is there some documentation of the do_menu thing for plguins? i don't see it 08.18.09 # bushblows, have you followed the instructions in the manual? 08.18.17 # indeed 08.18.33 # I allready have bootloader2 installed with ipodlinux, works fine 08.18.58 # but rockbox wont boot, the .rockbox dir is in / of the ipod and the bootloader points to it 08.19.16 # RockBox @ (hd0,1).rockbox/rockbox.ipod 08.19.25 # that is the line I have in the bootloader.conf 08.20.16 # ...have you asked the ipodlinux people? i certainly have no idea how their bootloader works, not sure if any of the devs do 08.21.54 # loader2 is an ipl thing, so ask there about configuration. Afaik you need a new enough version, older versions won't boot a recent rockbox 08.22.59 # I will try that now 08.24.43 # * amiconn wonders why so many people want to use loader2 instead of the rockbox bootloader... 08.24.52 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 08.24.56 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp58-187.adsl.forthnet.gr) 08.24.59 # ...but perhaps it's only those people who run into problems 08.25.10 Join ender [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.dsl.t-2.net) 08.25.21 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.25.30 # does rockbox bootloader allow you to boot IPL as well? 08.25.56 # yes 08.26.32 # then I dont know, I guess bootloader is more known, I dont know 08.26.56 # Don't ask me about the details though. You need to put the linux kernel on the fat32 partition and hold a button at boot 08.27.24 # ah see I like bootloader, because it gives many options on boot 08.27.40 # ipod firmware, ipodlinux, rockbox, disc mode, sleep 08.28.05 # I don't use ipl; have used it once, seen it boot a single time and refusing it to boot again on my mini g2. Then ported rockbox the same day 08.28.20 # hehe, cool 08.29.16 # The rockbox bootloader also allows to choose between rockbox, apple fw and ipodlinux 08.29.49 # I don't know why I would need sleep when booting... 08.31.20 # say you turn lock off on accident, then you dont need to boot just to sleep 08.32.17 # Booting rockbox is faaast.... probably faster than using loader2, don't know 08.33.36 Quit ender` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.34.16 # i get the feeling i'm missing a ton of documentation for plugin devel stuff...does it just not exist or is there some repository of information that i'm not aware of? 08.34.41 Join GodEater [0] (n=bryan@bb-87-80-121-64.ukonline.co.uk) 08.35.00 # mud-rb: what sort of information are you looking for? 08.35.27 # well right this second, i'm trying to figure out how to use the menu interface thing (i think it's do_menu in the plugin_api) 08.35.56 # the stuff in docs/ doesn't even mention it, and i don't see anything in the For Developers part of the index or anything.. 08.36.39 # typically people get by, by staring at teh api long enough and looking at how other plugins did it 08.37.39 # ...i see 08.37.41 # * mud-rb boggle 08.39.00 Join bdgraue [0] (n=bdgraue@dyndsl-085-016-027-062.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 08.39.02 Join Siltaar [0] (n=Siltaar@reverse-52.fdn.fr) 08.41.28 # okay whatever, i'll do without menu 08.47.57 Join Falco98 [0] (n=chatzill@cpe-075-183-141-200.sc.res.rr.com) 08.48.22 # hmm.. is BlueBrother a chat member in here? 08.48.34 # he just closed my bug report seemingly without reading it 08.48.42 # mud-rb: Just compare how other plugins do it, it's not really difficult 08.48.54 # giving me a condescending "rtfm" even though his comment was (as far as i can tell?) clearly wrong 08.48.57 # And if you still have questions, ask JdGordon 08.49.21 # well, there's scary notes scattered all over, like "/* Use these if your menu uses the new menu api. 08.49.21 # REMEBER to call playback_control_init(rb) before rb->do_menu()... */ 08.49.22 # " 08.49.25 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7363 08.49.29 # why would i do that, and what does that do? 08.49.48 # Falco98: let me check 08.49.53 # thanx 08.50.05 # and yes, he's a chat member here 08.50.16 # cool 08.51.04 # Falco98: I also think it's a bug 08.51.15 # thanks 08.51.19 # i requested a re-open 08.51.42 # basically quoting the section of the manual he referred to and re-stating that i'm finding its behavior to be incorrect 08.52.10 # can i edit the title of my bug? i should say "incorrect" in place of "inconsistent" 08.52.24 # cuz it *is* consistent i guess.. just consistently wrong :-P 08.53.15 # mud-rb: Sounds like a left over comment. Where do you read that? 08.53.59 # it's in apps/plugins/lib/playback_control.h 08.54.04 # I think someone needs to do some nice diagrams of how all the insert-next, queue, queue-next stuff works 08.54.10 # it makes my head hurt 08.54.20 # haha 08.54.25 # i understand it.. maybe i will :-P 08.54.30 # GodEater: i believe paul did a nice layout of it in the forums 08.54.36 # i kinda did that once for the different crossfade settings :-P 08.54.38 # shame it's in the forums =/ 08.55.15 # Falco98: well I personally would find it very useful - so if you do - make sure it goes in the wiki somewhere :) 08.55.26 # ok, i'll try :-P 08.55.28 # GodEater: Insert, insert next, queue and queue next are rather simple imo 08.55.36 # should it be like, a diagram then? hehe 08.55.44 # GodEater: nothing a little searching wont fix 08.56.02 Join B4gder [0] (n=daniel@static-213-115-255-230.sme.bredbandsbolaget.se) 08.56.11 # amiconn: thanks - now I feel stupid :) 08.56.14 # And they work as expected with single tracks. The bug report suggests that they don't work correctly with folders or playlists 08.56.39 # I think I encountered this same issue once actually 08.56.46 # but I just assumed I misunderstoof how it worked 08.56.50 # so didn't report it as a bug 08.57.06 # I rarely use those functions, I merely use 'insert shuffled' and 'insert last' - sometimes 08.57.24 # I only use 'insert last' 08.57.36 # amiconn, you appear to be basically right... like, it will insert after the *first track* of the most recently inserted thing 08.57.43 # (or, queue) 08.58.00 # another confusing thing is that the actions of insert and queue both seem to be different in similar circumstances 08.59.13 # which would be weird considering that the code for the two things should be nearly identical 08.59.25 # insert last seems an odd thing to call it - isn't "Append" a better description ? 08.59.28 # at least, the algorithms for track placement based on prior operations 09.00.11 # GodEater: perhaps, but maintaining the "insert" and "queue" terminology is necessary both to maintain consistency and to differentiate between insertion and queueing 09.01.24 # I'd kinda like a function called "insert/queue after..." which after selected, takes you to a view of the current playlist, with a little tick-selector you can use to select a track, and your insert/queue job will go in after whichever thing you pick 09.02.20 Join rift_ [0] (n=opera@218.56.70-86.rev.gaoland.net) 09.05.00 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjorn@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 09.07.52 # ah, thanks to whoever re-opened my bug report =) 09.08.50 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.10.40 Nick bushblows is now known as swolbhsub (n=bushblow@unaffiliated/bushblows) 09.11.29 # * petur looks in the mirror 09.17.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.19.12 # du??dlow? 09.20.09 Quit Falco98 ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]") 09.20.37 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 09.21.28 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust362.winn.cable.ntl.com) 09.21.40 Part kaaloo 09.26.39 Join rift [0] (n=opera@218.56.70-86.rev.gaoland.net) 09.29.06 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host155-219-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 09.30.19 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 09.34.55 Join crop [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8f5ee3b99798323a) 09.35.25 # On which platforms is the calendar plugin present? Only on those with RTC? 09.35.51 # think so 09.35.59 # lol - http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=54502 09.36.17 # "Is it all over for h3xx rockbox? I know there are official builds still but they suck." 09.36.46 # I almost considered registering to respond 09.37.01 # hahahaha 09.37.10 # must... resist... 09.37.15 # LinusN: wouldn't it be sensible to also enable it for daps without RTC, and just set the date to some initial value, e.g. Jan 01 2000? It would be still useful to check a certain date (what day is it?) 09.37.26 Quit rift_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.37.44 # crop: maybe 09.38.00 # B4gder: Did you see my comments about Flyspray notification? - as in, I'm not getting any... 09.38.14 # no I didn't... 09.38.31 # LinusN: "make a patch"? That'd probably be your next phase ;-) I know :-) 09.38.38 # Well, I'm not! It's not a junk filter at my end.... 09.38.50 # haha...none of them can bear the thought of using the official build, eh? 09.38.56 # It used to work fine, but hasn't for about 1-2 months now. 09.39.10 # crop: "show me the code" :-) 09.39.23 # I mean, e-mails when watched tasks are updated. 09.39.59 # crop: i remember that this has been discussed a long time ago 09.40.05 # Ah, nm 09.40.23 # Flyspray upgrade must have cleared my "notify type" 09.40.50 # LinusN: very very long time ago? Then I probably missed that. A sensible start date would also be the build date. 09.41.05 # LinusN: and what was the result of the discussion? 09.44.39 # pondlife: thanks for that tip, it was switched off here too.. 09.45.10 # scorche: you still around ? 09.45.15 # i am 09.45.30 # did you ever get around to writing up that stuff on git ? 09.45.45 # oh...the wiki page? 09.46.07 # yes 09.46.11 # I had some more thoughts 09.46.16 # no i didnt 09.46.21 # ah shame 09.46.23 # been quite busy ever since devcon 09.46.41 # I could just start one I suppose - but it seems a shame for just the one or two points I wanted to make 09.46.51 # and I can't remember all the other stuff we chatted about 09.47.22 # GodEater: there are logs 09.47.48 # true 09.48.01 # I'll guess I shall have to get off my lazy ass and go look at them :) 09.48.43 # that reminds me....i still need to send off that main to redbreva... 09.48.47 # mail 09.49.59 Nick ender is now known as ender` (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.dsl.t-2.net) 09.50.06 # crop: you would have to look in the code and the patch tracker, and maybe the irc logs and the forum 09.53.52 Part rift 09.54.45 # I find it amusing that they (in that MR post) blame us focusing on a release 09.54.56 # how dare we 09.55.03 # I thought that was about one of the things we don't focus on ,-) 09.55.28 # it isnt rockbox that matters...it is the unofficial themes which in no way depend on the actual rockbox project! 09.55.59 # LinusN: ah, there is an entry in FS: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4760. I hope it will be eventually committed (when other daps are supported properly). 09.58.10 Join kaalo1 [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 09.58.21 Part kaalo1 09.59.29 Join rift_ [0] (n=opera@218.56.70-86.rev.gaoland.net) 10.00.00 Join printfXh4 [0] (n=pseudo@ppp121-45-217-237.lns2.bne1.internode.on.net) 10.11.33 Join john [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-71-142-213-213.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) 10.14.11 Quit john (Client Quit) 10.14.12 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 10.14.18 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 10.15.38 # jhMikeS: there's a bugreport in the tracker claiming that line-in recording on X5 no longer works. Could that be or is his hardware broken maybe? 10.18.34 # jhMikeS: oh, are you here? I haven't noticed. 10.19.19 # probably his client auto-reconnecting 10.19.29 # jhMikeS: do your latest commits fix the FM problem? 10.19.53 # petur: hmm... maybe. He's in the US, right? So must be sleeping now 10.28.33 # 'should be' ;) 10.30.22 # crop: The current calendar plugin is for archos recorders *only* 10.30.50 # There is another one in the tracker which should work on all rtc targets, but has a couple of problems 10.31.48 # Iirc the result of discussion was that the new one should be fixed and then replace the current one. Someone needs to go ahead and do it 10.32.12 # amiconn: do you mean http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4760 ? 10.33.16 Join obo [0] (n=obo@host217-41-62-170.in-addr.btopenworld.com) 10.33.16 # is there a neat way to search through our IRC logs? Or am I looking at "Guess the day we talked about X?" 10.33.34 # petur: you are a samrt guy! :-) 10.33.44 # GodEater: I have them all mirrored locally. Then I just grep.. 10.33.54 # GodEater: donload them all and use grep :-P 10.34.03 # GodEater: or adding site:www.rockbox.org/irc to a google search? 10.34.34 # obo: I'll try that one first :) 10.35.28 # superb - that got it :) 10.42.05 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@cpe-70-113-103-34.austin.res.rr.com) 10.42.13 # Llorean: perfect timing 10.42.22 # That sounds dangerous 10.43.13 # look at the bottom of http://www.rockbox-themes.org/upload.php ...does that mean that the themes that are submitted to that site are all under cc by sa and therefore can be edited up to date for our gallery? 10.44.09 # it seems a bit vague about applying to the theme though 10.44.15 # scorche: I doubt it. 10.44.43 # Since the license comes after the submit/upload button, I think a "reasonable" interpretation is that the page itself comes under that. 10.45.05 # well there is also things sprinked in that submission page suck as "and to assist with complying with the CC3 licence as specified below." 10.45.06 # Even if the intent was otherwise, copyright tends to require you to be very explicit about giving it up. 10.45.22 # i see...was worth a shot though 10.45.35 # The intent is probably to license them under the CC3 10.45.52 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 10.45.57 Part kaaloo 10.46.07 # I'm just saying that the authors can probably argue that they haven't. That being said, I bet most of them think they have, and if they think they have, they have, really. Since they *meant* to by clicking upload. 10.46.26 # At least, that would be my guess. 10.47.19 Join webguest06 [0] (i=50c65afa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-bcb4d85a53292b78) 10.50.29 Quit webguest06 (Client Quit) 10.56.42 # B4gder: ping 10.56.49 # scorche : http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GitVersionControl <-- start of my effort, and I haven't even got to the "ooh, ooh, ooh, I've thought of a great reason to start using git" revelation I had this morning. 10.57.05 # * B4gder pongs 10.57.12 # * GodEater holds his nose 10.57.14 # Phewee 10.57.24 # GodEater: nice...i might add a bit to it tomorrow 10.57.41 # B4gder: did you write the script reader.pl for irc? 10.57.48 # no, Zagor did 10.58.03 # scorche: well keep an eye on it - I'm still going :) 10.58.16 # Interesting that the most downloaded WPS from rockbox-themes requires album art... 10.58.19 # GodEater: well, i am heading off to bed here in the next few min 10.58.45 # B4gder, Zagor: could you tell me in some words how it works? I.e. continuous update. Is it JavaScript that adds rows to the end of the table? 10.58.59 # crop: no, it's pure http 10.59.25 # using Content-type: mixed 10.59.37 # Zagor: so every time a new post is detected, the whole day log is displayed anew? 10.59.46 # nono, only the new line 11.00.07 # the mixed type allows incremental pages 11.00.36 # Zagor: ah! I should read up on this. Thanks. 11.01.07 # typo by me. "Content-type: multipart/mixed" is correct 11.01.29 # heh.... ie6 doesnt like it at all 11.01.32 # Zagor: I suppose it'll work on IE when hell freezes over... I'm sure it's a M$ problem but the "Error: 'document.styleSheets.1.cssRules.0' is null or not an object" 11.01.39 # isn't nice 11.01.51 # pondlife: jinx? =P 11.01.53 # Line 2, char 1 11.02.04 # Oops, broke the jinx 11.02.35 # pondlife: yeah it's a problem in how msie handles the DOM. I'll see if I can fashion a fix somehow. but that doesn't break the page totally, does it? 11.02.44 # Yes 11.02.48 # badness 11.02.49 # I have to view raw 11.02.56 # Zagor: i get just the header under ie 11.03.09 # ok 11.03.14 # Which is fine apart from the occasional day when that is badly formatted too. 11.03.18 # I'd better look at it then 11.03.21 # I mean the raw feed 11.03.40 # Zagor: sorry to give you more work =) 11.03.43 # Zagor: under IE, I see an empty page 11.03.48 # I'm ok at home on Firefox, but then I have Miranda anyway... it's at worrk.. 11.04.05 # Where I'm not supposed to install other stuff 11.04.30 # pondlife: portable firefox does wonders...then again, they probably dont liek USB keys either 11.04.41 Quit Siltaar (Remote closed the connection) 11.05.02 # Hmm, they don't like installing but they don't actually disable it (nor check regularly).. but I don't want to risk it 11.05.20 Join Siltaar [0] (n=Siltaar@reverse-52.fdn.fr) 11.05.24 # It would only lead to "What is this rockbox thing?" and "Are you working on it on our time?" 11.05.29 # well, portable firefox doesnt install to the host.. 11.11.21 Join bluebrother [0] (i=yxhoHHvQ@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 11.12.02 # Zagor: is "keep alive" also a word to check? 11.12.25 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 11.13.15 # crop: no, that's just me pushing out data every 15 seconds to avoid proxies etc closing down the socket 11.14.37 # Zagor: so if you hadn't it the page would still reload automatically? 11.14.45 # yes 11.14.56 # pondlife: http://www.ntalk.de/Nettalk/Files/Nettalk6usbv.zip is a version of NetTalk (IRC client for windows) that should run from usb stick. More info on http://www.ntalk.de/Nettalkdoku/doku.php?id=nettalk:faq (in German) 11.16.12 # Doesn't Miranda run from a USB stick if configured properly 11.16.16 # I seem to recall it being part of PortableApps. 11.16.22 # there are also patches against xchat to run from a usb stick: http://xchat-win32.berlios.de/?page_id=5 11.16.31 # for those preferring xchat ;-) 11.16.44 # pondlife: from that German text: yoe additionally need to create a file called runmode.ini containing 'singelusermode = 1' and 'noregentry = 1' 11.17.21 # Zagor: but the whole html table is reloaded every x secs? (with x=15 sec) Why doesn't it jump then? Are the modern browsers that smart and good? 11.17.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.17.35 # s/yoe/you 11.17.36 # sing_el_usermode? Urgh. 11.17.42 # HydraIRC should run from a stick w/o any extra measure. It stores settings in the app dir 11.18.43 # bluebrother: could be typo on that page? Or German English ;) 11.18.46 Join kwinchee [0] (n=kwin@220-253-164-57.QLD.netspace.net.au) 11.19.03 Part rift_ 11.19.25 # petur: looks like this stupid error that is quite common on german pages. I've seen tons of "dongel"s :/ 11.20.09 # bluebrother: the usbstick archive already contains the ini file, and it's not a typo in the faq but in his code ;) 11.20.26 # wow. Even worse :( 11.22.44 # petur: Thanks, but I don't want to start bringing USB sticks to work either... 11.23.47 # * amiconn really likes rdp 11.23.52 # pondlife: I used portable apps frequently on a uni machine even without a usb stick -- it's quite nice if you don't need to install something ;-) 11.24.58 # amiconn: That's a better idea... 11.25.16 # But maybe Zagor can come up with a fix for the many IE users out there... 11.26.56 # * Llorean wonders how it looks in 7 11.27.14 Quit XavierGr () 11.27.39 # Llorean: IE6 and 7 have the same problem with the irc log viewer 11.27.56 # Llorean: in IE 7, I have an empty page 11.27.56 # Llorean: IE7 would force me to upgrade to WinXP.... ain't happening! 11.28.07 # Actually there are 2 problems, one of which should be fixable (the css problem) and the other might be unfixable at all 11.28.16 # amiconn: I was just wondering because so far only 6 had been specifically mentioned. 11.28.22 # I have 7 11.28.25 # Ok 11.28.26 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.28.35 # ...and I tried bioth. Exactly the same problems 11.29.13 # pondlife: which OS are you using? 11.29.30 # win2k I guess 11.31.06 # Yep 11.33.52 Quit crop ("CGI:IRC") 11.37.22 Quit wats (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.39.18 Part maffe 11.39.27 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 11.50.51 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GitVersionControl <-- About done I think. Feel free to add comments or other relevant points please. 12.00.09 # GodEater: how about a git-svn howto so interested people could try using git that way? 12.00.33 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@129-119.0-85.cust.bluewin.ch) 12.00.44 Part maffe 12.00.56 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 12.01.02 # bluebrother: I'm sure there are hundreds of those out there already 12.01.09 # if you find a good one by all means link it ;) 12.01.35 # haven't searched intensively yet, but I wondered if I should try using git that way ;-) 12.01.52 # Hi there 12.02.31 # I think a couple of our devs already do 12.03.03 # well, but if devs do so, is there a need to move the main repository anyway? 12.03.55 # there's no *need* no 12.04.09 # but it would encourage more people to make the change 12.04.24 # making the interchange of code a snap 12.04.33 # if we maintain a mix of those who do and those who don't 12.04.38 # we don't get all the advantages 12.05.27 # well, we want a central server anyway, right? Then we can encourage people to use git anyway. 12.05.53 # as there is no strict dependency for some central server being git itself. 12.06.30 # no, but if the central repository was git, then there'd be no question of what other people had to use to get at it 12.06.53 # hi all 12.06.54 # i don't like the scrolling behaviour on my ipod, when I try to scroll slowly it starts skipping entries. Even if I stop scrolling (but keep touching the scrollwheel), then continue scrolling, it skips entries like I never stopped scrolling 12.06.56 # does it work well on windows right now btw? 12.06.58 # no encouragement required ;) 12.07.11 # bluebrother: it works in cygwin apparently - though I've not tried it personally 12.10.13 # as with all things cygwin it's probably dog slow 12.10.13 # bospaadje: disable the scroll acceleration 12.10.13 # bospaadje: when did you last update ? 12.10.13 # I haven't tried myself, but I heared that it's dog slow on windows. Plus, it needs cygwin, which is dog slow itself too ... 12.10.13 # that behaviour should have gone 12.10.13 DBUG Enqueued KICK GodEater 12.10.13 # bluebrother: there's always the vmware image :) 12.10.13 # GodEater: now convince those TortoiseSVN users ;-) 12.10.13 # a trickier task I would imagine =/ 12.10.13 DBUG Enqueued KICK bluebrother 12.10.13 # which is (as far as I read on the net) also a reason why some projects haven't changed to git -- windows support 12.10.13 # bluebrother: thanks, should've known there was a setting for that somewhere 12.10.13 *** Alert Mode level 1 12.10.13 DBUG Enqueued KICK GodEater_ 12.10.13 # yes - the wikipedia article mentions it 12.10.15 # mozilla and ruby both decided against git for that reason 12.10.18 Quit bdgraue (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.11.26 # I can't remember what our windows / posix developer mix ratio is 12.12.10 # GodEater: The cygwin slowness isn't cygwins fault. It's most probably the windows filesystem layer 12.12.25 # amiconn: yes - that's ALSO mentioned in the wikipedia article ;) 12.12.25 # Even microsoft sfu suffers from that problem 12.13.13 # GodEater: make a poll ;-) 12.13.22 # bluebrother: I think I did - it mostly got ignored 12.14.02 Join bdgraue [0] (n=bdgraue@dyndsl-085-016-027-062.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 12.14.20 # grrr. tex4ht is really a pain 12.15.03 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=9098.0 12.15.13 # although that's not entirely fair, as I didn't allow windows as a choice 12.15.35 # I even voted on that poll ;-) 12.15.47 # hehe 12.15.57 # dan_a is our git-svn user as I recall 12.16.46 # GodEater, I updated to the latest build just now and the scrolling problem i had appears to have been fixed :-) 12.17.00 # GodEater: nice wiki article you wrote there 12.17.31 # bospaadje: I think you got unlucky, that problem was only in RB for a day I think! 12.17.41 # markun: why thank you kind sir :) 12.18.21 # But that does reinforce why we ask you to confirm it on the latest build *before* asking. 12.18.43 # Llorean: I take it bospaadje hasn't donated yet ? :) 12.19.15 # :-p 12.19.43 # yeah sorry, I'll remind that 12.19.55 # *remember 12.20.14 *** Alert Mode OFF 12.20.26 # bluebrother: so did you ever end up switching? Or are you still a Fedora man ? 12.21.47 # still on fedora. I tried Gentoo on my old box, but that box is painfully slow 12.22.07 # not a good thing for a gentoo box to be 12.22.08 # :) 12.22.12 # Llorean: what do you think of making (or applying) the forum guidelines less strict and just not answering questions you don't want to answer? 12.22.14 # and currently I really need a working machine. No disk space for a second installation around 12.22.33 # markun: the fear is the signal to noise would be even worse if we did that 12.22.36 # I don't mind to point noobs a bit in the right direction from time to time 12.23.23 # GodEater: ok, but now the 'tone' seams a bit agressive sometimes to me 12.23.57 # maybe I'm just too soft, I don't know 12.23.59 # markun: The problem is that having fifty topics on the same thing, with some of them answered by people who don't know what they're talking about makes using the search function nearly useless. 12.24.21 # Llorean: yes, that's a problem 12.24.23 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@pD9EB3C69.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 12.24.27 # In one manner or other it becomes essential to either make sure they have a clear and proper answer, or prune the repeated topics. 12.24.30 # morning :) 12.24.59 # If the rules are too harsh, I'm more than happy to lighten them up in some areas, but they need to be harsh enough to unsure a good "useful information density" and because of that, they do need to be enforced. 12.25.07 # Llorean: but I would prefer to put a link to a thread or other place where the question is answered instead of telling them "read the guidelines" 12.25.12 # But they can certainly be changed somewhat 12.25.19 # that also doesn't make searching easier 12.25.33 # I can't do that, though. 12.25.40 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp58-187.adsl.forthnet.gr) 12.25.43 # People need to be aware that the guidelines exist, and that they most certainly are enforced. 12.25.57 # If you aren't going to enforce them, why have them in the first place? 12.26.31 # how about pointing them to the guidelines, pointing them to the answer and closing the thread? 12.26.43 # i've a kind of off-topic/on-topic question... anyone uses SuSE in here and knows how to update the kernel? I'm still running the 2.6.13 kernel which has a nice bug that prevents SDL from compiling or using. 12.27.24 # DerPapst: I take it you're not keen on compiling your own ? 12.27.30 # markun: I assume you're referencing the recent feature request post. 12.27.46 # GodEater: yep :( 12.27.46 # Llorean: that's one example yes 12.27.50 # markun: What "answer" could I have pointed them to? 12.27.58 # It doesn't belong in the forums at all. 12.28.15 # DerPapst: why? You seem a capable sort of guy, what is your fear ? 12.28.30 # Well, I could have told him that there was someone working on it who was haning around #gigabeat, but I didn't hear from him in a long while 12.28.34 # In most cases, they'll be referenced to either the manual or a wiki page, and told to read the guidelines. 12.29.05 # GodEater: the SuSE kernel has lots of other stuff in it afaik. I tried compiling a clean 2.6.21 kernel a while ago but failed. 12.29.05 # Llorean: I think you should hand over the admin reins to markun for a month, until he's as bitter and jaded as the rest of us :) 12.29.14 # I think a discussion about non existing rockbox features is so bad 12.29.26 # GodEater: I think you got me convinced already :) 12.29.28 # GodEater: I didn't actually lock the thread. 12.29.36 # is NOT so bad :) 12.29.40 # I think that was a clear sign anyone was still free to respond to it. ;) 12.30.12 # markun: The idea is that feature requests should go to the tracker, so that people interested in feature requests know where to look for them. 12.30.14 # DerPapst: where did your kernel fail to work ? 12.30.35 # But we *especially* don't need people reposting things repeatedly if they think they're being ignored 12.30.41 # Which is what that user was doing, to their own admission. 12.30.50 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@avc146.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 12.30.56 # Their feature request sat for a whole three weeks, so they felt they needed to post it again. 12.30.59 # Llorean: but if someone would ask "is a quake 2 port possible" do you think it should be a feature request which then later gets closed again? 12.31.36 # or is it a valid question to ask in the forum? 12.31.48 # markun: Asking if something is possible is different from saying "I want you guys to do this" 12.32.15 # GodEater: you mean while compiling? dunno to be honest. either somewhere in configure or right after make ;) 12.32.34 # DerPapst: ah - you mean it didn't even build - I thought you meant you'd installed it and it didn't boot 12.32.42 # I've not seen a kernel that won't compile for while 12.33.00 # markun: If someone posts a feature request in the forums, I will do one of two things. Say "It's impossible" or say "Please post this in the proper place" 12.33.21 # i assume suse has a packaging system with kernels in it, do you even need to compile your own if you don't want to? 12.33.24 # GodEater: i dunno what the guys from novell did to SuSE :P 12.33.29 # Llorean: looking at the thread again I think you are right :) 12.33.37 # If they say "Is it possible to do this" I will likely say "Yes, why don't you post it as a feature request" and never mention guidelines at all 12.34.10 # in fact, I just built a 2.6.22-rc4 for my PS3 12.34.28 # mud-rb: i thought so too but i haven't found anything. today my package manager updated to 2.6.13-15 or something :-/ 12.34.42 # haha godeater, if you haven't gotten a failed kernel compile you haven't tried very hard :) 12.34.43 # that's a very old kernel now 12.34.53 # mud-rb: no, I just know what I'm doing 12.34.53 # and sdl just isn't working with that kernel version somehow? 12.35.43 # mud-rb: not at all. it will error whihle compining and it complains when you try to run a pre-built. 12.36.19 # and there's no sdl package of some kind for suse? 12.36.28 # mud-rb: something is broken with the joystick stuff ^^ 12.37.21 # mud-rb: there are packages that claim to work on suse 10.X but they don't if you have 2.6.13 12.37.48 # ...i see. that sounds scary 12.38.20 # i assume switching to a distro that doesn't have really old kernels and broken major packages isn't an option? 12.39.27 # it is. but i'm lazy :P i hoped there is another way than wiping my SuSE installation. 12.39.36 # hehe, yeah.. 12.39.42 # DerPapst: There is - learn to compile a kernel! 12.40.20 # DerPapst: do you have a /proc/config.gz ? 12.41.42 # or sometimes there will be a copy of the kernel config in /boot if it's mounted 12.41.55 # GodEater: yes. 12.42.04 # nice. I got htlatex use the name property for anchors instead of id 12.42.18 # DerPapst: did you try using that as the .config file when you built your 2.6.22 kernel ? 12.42.35 # no :) 12.42.45 # try that then 12.42.48 # unzip it obviously 12.42.57 # and rename it .config in your /usr/src/linux directory 12.43.03 # then just do "make" 12.43.22 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 12.43.31 # make oldconfig first sometimes helps, i think it tries to do some fixupsfor things that have changed 12.45.33 # /usr/scr/linux is a symlink that should point to the new downloaded kernel source i guess... 12.45.41 # exactly 12.46.29 # ok. i'll try it when i get home today after work. 12.46.39 # thank you both :) 12.46.54 Quit kwinchee (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.47.20 # good luck :) make sure you backup your old so you can at least boot 12.47.37 # or just don't overwrite it 12.47.38 Join wats [0] (n=kwin@220-253-164-57.QLD.netspace.net.au) 12.47.49 # and put the new one is as an new entry to your grub.conf / lilo.conf 12.48.18 # which is what I always do incase I do something dumb like "forget to include support for the root filesystem" 12.48.20 # but honestly i think there should be a way to simply update SuSE 10.0 to e.g. 10.2 without downloadin an entire DVD and make a new installation :-/ 12.48.29 # GodEater: Thanks, will do :) 12.48.38 Ctcp Ignored 3 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 12.48.38 # * GodEater loathes rpm based distros 12.52.13 # eh, i wouldn't count suse as a representative sample...it seems rather braindead from everything i've heard 12.52.13 # what do you guys prefer (without starting a distro war) 12.52.13 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 12.52.13 # i liked fedora, it was pretty nice, probably going back to it soon. using ubuntu now and it's not horrible 12.52.13 # i used to use gentoo and it's nice if you like tinkering 12.52.13 # * GodEater has used gentoo for the last four years 12.52.13 # well i'm a long term windows user.. don't overestimate my skills :D 12.52.13 # before that I used Mandrake, and learned to hate it 12.52.13 DBUG Enqueued KICK mud-rb 12.52.13 # ubuntu is probably the most geared towards newbies/casual users 12.52.13 # orignally started off with Slackware in like, erm, 1993/4 I think 12.52.13 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 12.52.13 # kernel version 1.3 ! 12.52.15 # haha 12.52.36 # and gcc produced a.out format binaries 12.52.39 # not elf 12.52.44 # der: if that was in regards to ubuntu, it has kde if you want it :) just get kubuntu, that's actually what i use 12.52.46 # those were the days ;) 12.53.14 # linuxstb: did you actually USE the pre 1.0 kernels ? 12.53.22 # mud-rb: i have a kubuntu dvd flying arround here ;) 12.53.24 # you must have had some pretty specific kit to do that 12.53.37 # I'm pretty sure I did. 12.53.41 # wow 12.53.54 # Well the first SuSE I dealt with had some 0.99.xx kernel 12.53.55 # I seem to recall they only supported like one specific SCSI controller 12.54.07 Ctcp Ignored 4 channel CTCP requests in 7 seconds at the last flood 12.54.07 # * GodEater didn't realise SuSE was that old 12.54.08 # (iirc) 12.54.33 # I remember downloading slackware on about 50 floppy disks and taking them home from University to install on my PC, and half the disks being corrupted, so having to go back and download them again... 12.54.43 # ouch 12.54.48 # ... and then again... 12.54.53 # I think I got it off a magazine cover CD 12.55.01 # installed it with UMSDOS 12.55.01 # CD? Luxury... 12.55.04 # zomg... hahah 12.55.05 # Never, ever ever again 12.55.17 # the SLOWEST file system in existence 12.55.34 # * bluebrother rembers a bad experience with umsdos ... 12.55.35 # * DerPapst installed windows 95 with floppy disks once... 12.55.37 # "No need to repartition" my arse 12.55.42 # took me half a day 12.55.43 Part maffe 12.55.50 # only if you don't mind waiting a gazillion years for anything to happen 12.55.51 # wow i don't even know what umsdos is... 12.55.54 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 12.56.05 # oh linux in dos or something? 12.56.17 # mud-rb: it was a unix file system on top of the 8.3 format DOS system 12.56.20 # so pre-vfat 12.56.32 # oh i see 12.56.41 # each file was actually two - one with the content, and one with the metadata 12.56.44 # nice idea 12.56.50 # that sounds horrible, i remember the 8.3 DOS file system and it was horrible enough on it's own 12.56.51 # absolutely horrific performance 12.57.17 # I seem to recall it took about 2 hours for me to delete the install and start again 12.57.27 # nice 12.57.29 # heh 12.57.36 # "rd /s" screamed in pain when I started.... 12.57.43 # good ol' times :P 12.57.56 # * GodEater shudders 12.58.33 # I don't even want to think about how fragemented your drive got if you actually used it for any length of time 12.58.56 # clearly it was designed to be slow enough that that problem would never appear 12.59.02 # this really sounds like i've missed a big load of fun while playing with windows 3.11 :-/ 12.59.04 # possibly ;) 12.59.24 # DerPapst: only if you're the sort of person that considers "sawing your own leg off" as "fun" 12.59.41 # hehe 13.00.19 Join peppo [0] (n=slumpmas@c-9770e155.41-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 13.00.35 # "device not accepting adress" usb error in Linux is driving me crazy :/ 13.00.42 # can I somehow help debug it more properly? 13.00.55 # i still have a copy of windows 1.0.1 :D 13.01.35 # but honestly.. windows vista isn't as colourfull as windows 1.0.1 ;) 13.01.44 # and that's a bad thing ? :) 13.02.05 # i liked it :P 13.02.06 # haha i got windows 1.0 working in a vm at one point. god was it awful 13.02.45 Quit gromit` ("Coyote finally caught me") 13.03.40 # norton commander was better but the old micorsoft/windows logo was some nice piece of ascii art (well it wan't that nice) 13.03.54 # *wasn't 13.05.12 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 13.05.31 # X-Tree Gold 4 Life! 13.07.47 Quit DerPapst ("So Long And Thanks For All The Fish!") 13.08.20 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@pD9EB3C69.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 13.09.00 # he has all the good games... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Xtreegold-3.0.png 13.10.32 # hahaha - so he does! 13.11.34 Part Llorean 13.15.03 # wow, it's like someone went through plugin.h and only documented the functions that are bleeding obvious... 13.17.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.19.43 # feel free to improve 13.20.25 # if i ever figure them out i'll do my best...i hate to be a bitch but it really is lame having all of these nice features that i'm probably reimplementing myself because i have no idea what anything does... 13.21.25 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@host.91-92-172-170.airbites.bg) 13.23.49 # mud-rb: yes, being lame is one of the big virtues in this project 13.24.19 # :) 13.24.33 # mud-rb: But if you have any questions about what's available, just ask... 13.25.10 # mud-rb: as with all projects of this nature, time is mostly spent on implementing and not documenting 13.25.39 # for some unknown reason, people spend time on what they consider is fun 13.25.42 Part maffe 13.25.46 Quit billytwowilly (Remote closed the connection) 13.25.49 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 13.25.54 # LinusN: oh i understand, and i normall agree but a quick source comment would be nice at least 13.26.06 # like int set_int, what exactly is this last argument? 13.26.14 Join billytwowilly [0] (n=chris@S0106001346f5afbd.cg.shawcable.net) 13.26.16 # bool (*set_int)(const unsigned char* string, const char* unit, int voice_unit, 13.26.17 # int* variable, void (*function)(int), int step, int min, 13.26.17 # int max, void (*formatter)(char*, int, int, const char*) ); 13.26.29 Quit bonbonthejon (Remote closed the connection) 13.27.04 # Have you found where the function is implemented? That may give you a clue. Or search for places where it is used. 13.27.11 # it's all NULL 13.27.18 # in every place i know what's going on 13.27.39 # which is probably a clue, but it kind of bugs me not having any idea what it does... 13.27.40 # i believe it is a callback to a function to format the string 13.28.17 # A quick grep shows that In settings.c, the "set_sound" function calls it with &dec_sound_formatter - so you can look at what that function does. 13.28.34 # ah i didn't see that, i'll go look for it 13.29.01 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@cpe-70-113-103-34.austin.res.rr.com) 13.29.37 # good god, I'd forgotten how truly ugly C can look 13.31.19 # http://www0.us.ioccc.org/1986/august.c what do you mean? B-] 13.32.07 # hahah. you know there's only one of those i think i ever understood, and it was the one with a blank .c file 13.32.45 Quit DerPapst (Remote closed the connection) 13.33.39 # I preferred the one of those that was ascii art of the "Cat in the hat" 13.33.59 # there are many good ones in there, I just quickly picked one at random 13.34.39 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.198.206) 13.34.51 # speaking of writing good self-documenting code, "Code Craft" by P.Goodliffe is a pretty good book on the subject 13.35.50 # and hey, out of the top-10 rockbox committers I believe I am the one with the highest comment ratio! ;-) 13.36.01 # http://www.ohloh.net/projects/3978/analyses/latest/contributors?page=1 13.36.35 # wow, that's really cool 13.36.36 # jdgordon and slasheri covering the other end of the list :-) 13.37.22 # * LinusN should write more comments 13.37.26 # that page shows off my laziness in a quite unacceptable manner 13.38.43 # :-) 13.40.37 # "Person years" - how politically correct :-) 13.41.22 # otherwise the female programmers would be offended. all five of them. ;) 13.41.30 # LOL!!! 13.41.41 # * linuxstb is scared that that he modified 194,455 lines of code 13.42.22 # looks like my strategy to commit one file at a time has paid off :-) 13.42.41 # I thought the strategy was multiple oops commits? 13.42.48 # that too 13.42.49 # :-) 13.43.15 # i think i'm leading the "oops" commit league 13.43.16 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.48.07 # we should have a red build toplist :) 13.48.46 # yes, count all the points deltas :) 13.49.26 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@81.5.168.184) 13.49.39 # we need more blame and guilt involved 13.49.51 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 13.49.57 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 13.52.43 # what if they were not your points... ;) 13.55.28 Join thegeek [0] (i=thegeek@ti521110a080-0286.bb.online.no) 13.56.04 # pixelma: that's why I said delta 13.56.17 Part maffe 13.56.25 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 13.58.00 Quit newton ("leaving") 14.02.15 Join crop [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4d27a7fbc255ae4b) 14.03.14 # In the last commit by Mike Sevakis, wouldn't it be good to define a delay macro with a param? I'll ask him when he shows up here. 14.03.59 # BTW: do other platforms also need such func? Then it could be moved to the target tree. 14.04.29 # If I understand what target tree is, of course :-) 14.04.52 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 14.04.58 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 14.05.15 # jhMikeS: this time really? 14.06.39 Quit B4gder ("It is time to say MOOO") 14.08.00 Quit Febs ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]") 14.12.07 # petur: If you count all the point deltas, everyone will be zero... 14.12.38 # you could count the negatives separately 14.13.02 # and it could encourage to try and fix bugs of others :) 14.13.05 # I guess we've lost the point history now anyway... 14.13.15 Join rift_ [0] (n=opera@218.56.70-86.rev.gaoland.net) 14.15.39 Quit thegeek (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.22.32 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 14.22.36 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp199-159.adsl.forthnet.gr) 14.25.00 Quit SirFunk (Remote closed the connection) 14.25.23 Part rift_ 14.32.26 Join rift_ [0] (n=opera@218.56.70-86.rev.gaoland.net) 14.42.54 Quit AdmiralJ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.52.59 # tried ctags or something similar? 14.53.45 # arg. ignore me. 14.56.07 Part maffe 14.56.18 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 15.05.38 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF7BC6.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.05.49 Join Benedikt [0] (n=boened@p549A519F.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.06.02 # hi 15.06.13 # one question I installed rockbox on my ipod 15.06.22 # with the rockbox boot loader 15.06.48 # and he finds an error at can't load rockbox.ipod 15.06.54 # File not found 15.07.05 # somebody has an idee? 15.07.14 # Did you install Rockbox itself? i.e. download rockbox.zip and extract it to your ipod? 15.07.21 # yes 15.07.32 # i had the windows installer.. 15.07.44 # Which windows installer? Rockbox Utility? 15.08.03 # Benedikt: can you check if the file .rockbox/rockbox.ipod exists then? 15.08.16 # the problem ist 15.08.27 # that i can't go on my ipod 15.08.28 # anymore 15.08.36 # it isn't shown in windows. 15.08.39 # any more ^^ 15.08.55 # Quelle: http://www.rockbox.org/download/rockbox-2.5-install.exe 15.08.55 # Ziel: C:\Documents and Settings\Benedikt\Desktop\rockbox-2.5-install.exe 15.08.55 # Größe: 1,5 MB (1.536.999 Bytes) 15.08.55 DBUG Enqueued KICK Benedikt 15.08.55 # Übertragen: 1,5 MB (1.536.999 Bytes) 15.09.05 # des packet hab ich ^^ 15.09.11 # 2.5? 15.09.15 # yes 15.09.16 # That's an installer for a very old version of Rockbox that doesn't work on ipods 15.09.22 # oh oke ^^ 15.09.28 # but there was no other ^^ 15.09.30 # You should follow the install instructions in the manual 15.09.38 # oke 15.09.51 # Benedikt: try this one http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility 15.10.01 # linuxstb: what's the key combo to get into disk come? 15.10.03 # disk mode 15.10.09 # Benedikt: the top of that page tells you that it won't work on the Ipod. 15.10.24 # you can use RockboxUtility for installation if you want to 15.10.26 # markun: MENU+SELECT to reboot, then SELECT+PLAY for disk mode. (it's different on 3g and earlier ipods) 15.10.32 # its action an back 15.10.59 # now am in srv diag boot 15.11.37 # what keys have you pressed? Select + Play enters emergency disk mode 15.11.48 # mom 15.11.54 # with my ipod generation5? 15.12.14 # that combination works on all ipods after the 3G 15.12.14 # ahh 15.12.30 # ah now i see 15.12.36 # it in the explorer ^^!! 15.13.22 # hmm. The release download page was changed quite a while ago ... 15.13.31 # oke ^^ 15.14.01 # is the download from the page you gave me supporting ipod gen 5? 15.14.08 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 15.14.08 # * bluebrother wonders if it's really that hard to understand that 2.5 won't work on all other devices but archos 15.14.11 # because i can't choose it in the devise list.. 15.14.28 # ok. Go to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility 15.14.30 # ah oke ^^ 15.14.31 # sorry 15.14.37 # i just didn't see it ^^ 15.14.43 # hi everyone 15.14.50 # i just wanted to say : rockbox is great :) 15.14.53 # scroll to the download links somewhere in the middle of that page. 15.14.58 # put it yesterday on my sansa e260 15.15.22 # which made me think: the original sansa firmware is CRAP 15.15.36 # download this: http://b23.org/~domonoky/rbutil-v0.3.2.5.zip 15.15.38 # i mean it couldn't even play music right 15.16.39 # krp: thanks for the compliment :) 15.17.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.19.48 # Benedikt: got that? 15.20.08 # bluebrother yes it works now ^^ 15.20.11 # thx 15.20.20 # good. Then please read the manual. 15.20.33 # kk 15.20.36 # http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml 15.21.08 # it contains quite a number of important information. Including installation instructions :P 15.22.17 # markun: i was also suprised to see battery usage is ok, maybe even better than with the original firmware 15.22.30 # krp: Not on the Sansa. 15.23.00 # Most people experience measurably less in Rockbox. 15.24.20 # in the system information 15.24.28 # it gives me "48% 2h38" 15.24.50 # krp: don't trust that info 15.24.56 # should i assume a full battery could let me use it for around 5hours ? 15.24.57 # ah 15.25.11 # rely on the time your sansa works before it shuts down 15.25.20 # i trust the 48%, of course i don't trust on the time 15.30.27 Quit billytwowilly (Remote closed the connection) 15.30.47 Join billytwowilly [0] (n=chris@S0106001346f5afbd.cg.shawcable.net) 15.32.36 Join crashmatrix [0] (n=crashmat@s5590785f.adsl.wanadoo.nl) 15.33.32 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@admin-147-222.potsdam.edu) 15.33.34 # is it safe to dd my ipod video hd and then start a new fs from scratch? 15.37.00 # I guess there is a RTFM lurking around here somewhere, but I can't quite seem to find it 15.37.06 # crashmatrix: No 15.37.24 # The hard disk also contains the firmware, and if you erase that, your ipod won't boot 15.38.06 # This page may be helpful though - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore 15.39.40 # jhMikeS: peng 15.40.11 # ah, good 15.40.34 # so I can't fuck it up beyond repair, and I'm already dd-ing the entire hd so it's cool 15.40.38 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p54848019.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.40.38 # thanks linuxstb 15.41.01 # (with dd-ing, I mean dd backup to a raw copy of the fs) 15.41.44 # crashmatrix: so just the second partition then ? 15.42.34 # GodEater, so just the second partition what exactly? 15.44.07 # What happened was; when I hooked it up, I noticed that the fat32 part of the ipod was only, say 7 gigs large, hence I was thinking about cfdisking the whole thing and starting from scratch so I won't miss like, 23 gigs of space :/ 15.44.45 # dd'ing the whole ipod will not give you "a raw copy of the fs" it'll give you the whole disk - including the firmware partition 15.45.54 # GodEater, I know that 15.46.10 # that's why I'm doing so, just to be on the safe side 15.46.14 # so my question was "are you only dd'ing the second partition?" 15.46.30 # no, the entire disk, from 0 to 30 gigs 15.47.58 # which includes the second partition, but the "problem" is, there are three seperate spaces, first a non-fat32 block with what I assume to be firmware from apple, then a small fat32 partition and THEN 23 gigs of nothing 15.48.45 Join kwinchee [0] (n=kwin@220-253-164-57.QLD.netspace.net.au) 15.49.01 # so your image will end up with 23 gigs of nothing in it. Not very efficient if you ask me, but whatever blows you hair back. 15.49.16 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 15.49.19 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp151-8.adsl.forthnet.gr) 15.49.33 # GodEater, I'm not stupid, I'm running it through a gzip, the image is barely 250 megs large atm 15.50.55 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 15.52.18 # yes, but you're still reading through 23 gigs of nothing at all for no reason I can see. But like I say, it's your party. 15.52.59 Quit Benedikt ("get satisfied! • :: ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» www.gamersirc.net ::") 15.53.03 # GodEater, before I asked here, I didn't know what the hell was in there, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't going to ruin it all by making one mistake 15.53.39 # Seems to me being safe and sure is better then scratching behind my ear in a couple of hours thinking "if only" 15.53.49 # anyone object to me putting a .ebuild for rbutil up onto the wiki (as soon as I've finished writing it) ? 15.54.23 # crashmatrix: I'm not arguing with you. Feel free to do it twice if you like. 15.55.14 # Course it's my party, off course it seems useless now, and yes I should feel less attacked on irc, damn I fall for that every time :/ 15.55.19 # sorry if I seemed rude or anything 16.01.03 Quit donutman25 ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]") 16.01.27 # GodEater: nice page about git :) 16.02.20 # videolan has a page desciribing basic use and a bit of git-svn : http://wiki.videolan.org/Git 16.04.25 Part Llorean 16.04.34 Quit wats (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.04.54 # Nico_P: as I said earlier, if anyone feels I missed anything on the page - please do add it :) 16.05.22 # I'll probably get round to it 16.06.11 # It'd be great if I could have a git repo hosted for my GSoC work... 16.06.36 # * GodEater knew he'd find at least one fan of that idea ;) 16.08.03 # are you using git-svn ? 16.08.05 Join Administrator [0] (n=chatzill@C-59-101-227-215.bur.connect.net.au) 16.08.12 Nick Administrator is now known as AdministratorTom (n=chatzill@C-59-101-227-215.bur.connect.net.au) 16.08.35 # hey people 16.08.36 # * petur has been considering git for his usbotg hacking - could use some versioning 16.08.50 # Nico_P: no - I tried from the rockbox svn but something broke =/ 16.09.08 # I've not tried since 16.09.10 # I think I've gotten a hold of how it works 16.09.21 # besides, since I lack commit access it's a bit pointless for me 16.10.15 # does anyone no if they hav efixed the problem with the battery in iriver H10 5GB ? is the battery still only 3 hours? 16.10.27 # AdministratorTom: Still the same AFAIK 16.10.46 # yea damn im thinking i need to upgrade my player 16.10.46 # We need someone to sneak some PortalPlayer documentation our way 16.11.27 # hey guys whats a good player that is around the same storage size that has good rockbox support? 16.11.35 # AdministratorTom: Gigabeat F or X 16.11.48 # although they technically have more storage 16.11.48 # do u have one? 16.11.50 # Iriver H100/H300 16.11.51 # I do 16.12.05 # Iriver H100 = $$$$ these days :) 16.12.11 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 16.12.12 # not so sure about the H300 16.12.18 # yea im lookin for the cheaper option 16.12.22 # IAudio X5? 16.12.29 # Gigabeat F40's are v. cheap on ebay 16.12.32 # i liove hte x5 but its expensive and hard to come by 16.12.32 # I got mine for less than $100 16.12.54 # is that US 16.13.15 # crop: pong 16.13.17 # GodEater: Was that an auction? 16.13.23 # pondlife: yep 16.13.29 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.13.31 # I think I won it for like $48 16.13.33 # was it new? 16.13.35 # And is the F40/S ok? 16.13.43 # no hang on - that was pounds :) 16.13.49 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF7BC6.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.13.51 # I paid £100 TOTAL - including shipping to the UK 16.13.54 # Ah - that makes more sense 16.13.56 # AdministratorTom: as good as 16.13.56 # oh damn 16.13.58 # lol 16.14.00 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.14.11 # australia exchange rate from us is really good but not so with the pound 16.14.15 # so I think I won it for like $98 16.14.27 # jhMikeS: aha! Now you are really here? Do your last commits fix the FM problem? 16.14.30 # is you're in Australia they're easier to find AdministratorTom 16.14.43 # I see them for about £120 regularly, but don't consider that cheap. 16.14.45 # you needn't get it shipped from the US 16.15.01 # crop: yes, the delay loops were being removed and so then the CPU was boosted the radio didn't work. it also couldn't be read. 16.15.04 # pondlife: well what do you see H1x0s for ? 16.15.07 # oh thats not an option then cause of the warrenty concerns 16.15.13 # GodEater: Haven't looked! 16.15.18 # I'm scared to 16.15.21 Part LinusN 16.15.25 # * GodEater treasures his H140 16.15.35 # I'd like an upgrade from my H300, but it's hard to beat 16.15.39 # if money was no option i wud get the X5L 16.15.47 # What's Gigabeat battery life like? 16.16.10 # pondlife: ~20 hours ? 16.16.11 # jhMikeS: and wouldn't it be good to introduce a parameterized macro for asm delay loops? 16.16.29 # GodEater: Great - I think an F60 would be ideal for me, if I can find one for less than £150 16.16.42 # F60s were definitely thinner on the ground in ebay when I looked 16.16.45 # otherwise I'd have got one too 16.16.51 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 16.16.53 # it probably would but atm I was looking to ensure they dont' get optimized away nor bloat the binary...gcc does some stupid stuff 16.16.54 # jhMikeS: I'll try it out. And thanks! That was really fast. 16.16.57 # but the F40s were much easier to find 16.17.08 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF7BC6.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.17.38 Join prashantv [0] (i=prashant@wagner.orchestra.cse.unsw.EDU.AU) 16.18.43 # GodEater: there are several h140 available on ebay that aren't that expensive 16.19.02 Join relaxed [0] (n=relaxed@unaffiliated/relaxed) 16.19.03 # are any of the Gigabeat F or X still in production? 16.19.33 # AdministratorTom: nope 16.20.10 # i googled them 16.20.17 # and the tope 5 results were all rockbox related 16.20.28 # GodEater: http://stores.benl.ebay.be/roadpal 16.20.57 # you can only find them if you search for iHP140 16.21.14 # I think that's actually what mine is marked as 16.21.17 # any current models with good rockbox support? 16.21.24 # no ipods tho 16.21.35 # wow, €76 16.21.55 # AdministratorTom: Sansa ? 16.22.32 # Sansa is still PortalPlayer though, right? 16.22.55 # Which means battery life issues... 16.23.04 Quit kwinchee (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.23.10 # yea 16.23.16 # how much battery tho? 16.23.21 # Might as well carry on with H10 I'd guess. 16.23.23 # like is it as bad as the iriver h10? 16.24.28 # jhMikeS: where do you have all that info from? I.e. the delays needed, read/write sequences etc. 16.26.24 # the i2c spec in part. the delays were just kept which I _assume_ were verified. they seems a little short to me though. 16.27.39 # which Sansa e200? 16.27.50 # or is that a stupid question 16.31.21 # well the Sansa E200 has a 20 hour battery life so even if it loosees half of its battery life it should be much better than my current h10 with its 3-4 hours worth 16.33.18 Join Benedikt [0] (n=boened@p549A519F.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.33.20 # hi 16.33.24 # one question ^^ 16.33.36 # how can I put music on my ipod with rockbox? 16.33.41 # with my normal itune? 16.33.47 # or any other special toolß 16.33.48 # ? 16.34.29 # copy and paste 16.34.34 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-066-057-231-236.nc.res.rr.com) 16.34.45 # in which folder? 16.35.00 # have u installed the rockbox software? 16.35.04 # yes 16.35.17 # on my ipod ther is the folder .rockbox. 16.35.18 Quit kubiixaka (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.35.19 # .. 16.35.40 # just put it in like any folder u want 16.35.44 # not a hidden one tho 16.35.46 # thats what i do 16.35.57 # ah oke ^^ 16.36.04 # do u like ittunes/ 16.36.10 # ? 16.36.17 # no not really ^^ 16.36.29 # well u can say goodbye to it 16.36.32 # i hate itunes 16.36.35 # very good ^^ 16.36.37 # what ipod are u using 16.36.49 # ipod generation 5.. 16.37.00 # hows the battery life on it? 16.37.10 # mmh 16.37.29 # music about 8 hours 16.37.31 # i think ^^ 16.37.44 # watching films just 2 hours 16.37.55 # is that with the rockbox software or normal? 16.38.48 # with normal software 16.38.58 # i just have rockbox until one hour ago ^^ 16.39.27 # why did u put it on? just curious 16.39.46 # because normal software just sucks ^^ 16.39.50 # i wanted good games 16.39.53 # like doom ^^ 16.40.04 # oh no 16.40.10 # and i like the design of software better than the original one ^^ 16.40.32 # doom? does that work well? 16.40.33 # first i wanted to put on linux 16.40.38 # yers of course ^^ 16.40.45 # good old doom ^^ 16.40.54 # i saw that there but i was sure how well it was ported 16.40.57 # on my ipod it works pretty good ^^ 16.41.18 # one question 16.41.31 # you know how to get pokemon working on ipod? 16.41.45 # a friend of mine did this with his gen 3 ipod ^^ 16.41.56 # but I don't know what software he used.. 16.42.01 # i wudnt have a clue myself 16.42.17 # oke well then I have to search google ^^ 16.42.18 # i just use it because it lets me change the menus into big fridnly easy to see letters and has better equalisers 16.42.35 # yes 16.42.41 # thats also an advantage ^^ 16.43.13 Join crash91 [0] (i=510a6f89@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-15b7c9f72852bbdb) 16.44.57 Quit AdministratorTom ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]") 16.46.57 Part maffe 16.47.07 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 16.49.45 Quit Benedikt ("get satisfied! • :: ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» www.gamersirc.net ::") 16.53.06 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 16.53.12 Part kaaloo 16.53.33 Quit crash91 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 16.54.30 # any Makefile gurus here ? 16.57.03 # Is it an easy question? 16.58.41 # "Why does 'make install' not work for rbutil?" <-- is that easy enough ? 16.58.58 # linuxstb: you mean GodEater's question about makefile gurus? 16.59.15 # linuxstb: :-) 16.59.41 # GodEater: Because no-one has implemented it? 17.00.11 Nick swolbhsub is now known as bushblows (n=bushblow@208.64.37.45) 17.00.19 # linuxstb: well it appears to be in the make file as far as I can see 17.00.25 # it just says "Nothing to be done for install" 17.00.38 # my Makefilefu is very weak though 17.00.47 # so I could be missing something obvious 17.01.05 # I'm not sure what all the .PHONY stuff does for example 17.01.35 # GodEater: rbutil has its own makefile in the rbutil folder, just run make there 17.01.47 # petur: that's the Makefile I'm referring to 17.02.00 # not another one somewhere else 17.02.02 # Damn, "svn blame" blames me for adding those lines... 17.02.04 # just make and the exe should be there 17.02.09 # linuxstb: hahaha 17.02.11 # And I have no recollection of them... 17.02.22 # linuxstb: does it need a "clean:" after the PHONY: clean ? 17.02.31 # it's the only difference I can see between it and the other targets 17.02.42 # "FS #6443 from Jonas Häggqvist - add an "install" target." 17.02.45 # I mean "install:" 17.02.49 # not "clean:" 17.02.53 # <---- complete moron 17.03.15 # and clearly also I meant ".PHONY: install" too 17.03.17 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p549671C7.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.03.29 # but I have NO idea what's going on there 17.03.46 # I think ".PHONY" means it's a not a file that Make should check for. 17.03.55 # ah 17.04.20 # in that case I can only see that there's no actual label for the install action as there is with all: and clean: 17.04.24 # But no, I don't understand why it doesn't do anything... 17.04.44 # IYSWIM 17.04.52 # Ah, of course - there's no label... 17.05.00 # yay, points for me 17.05.22 Join Rincewind [0] (i=7ge7ESNp@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 17.06.14 # would you be so kind as to insert one for me please ? 17.06.17 # GodEater: Fixed in SVN. 17.07.15 # thanks 17.07.21 # I can put a .ebuild up for rbutil now 17.07.47 Part maffe 17.08.12 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 17.08.43 Part maffe 17.09.04 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 17.11.20 # GodEater: What's needed to make an ebuild? Is that something to add to SVN? 17.12.18 # no - something to put on the wiki page 17.12.23 # I mean, it *could* go in svn I suppose 17.12.31 # it's gentoo's package format 17.12.55 Part maffe 17.13.05 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 17.13.40 # I know nothing about ebuilds. So it's just a file that gentoo users can download and use to build and install rbutil? 17.14.12 # pretty much 17.14.34 # its basically just metadata + basic build/install script 17.14.35 # you do "ebuild rbutil-0.8.ebuild install", and it goes off to svn, downloads the code, compiles it, and installs it 17.15.04 # although for some reason the one I've just written still doesn't appear to install right =/ 17.15.06 # Is it likely to change at all? It could go in SVN, and still have a download link in the wiki 17.15.20 # But I need to run, bbl. 17.15.34 # basic as in it has almost nothing for a non-weird source tarball, thanks to some big python library of related functions and complexities hidden from it 17.15.37 # heh 17.16.30 # a properly written one will only need renaming for version updates unless some part of the build/install changes 17.16.33 # generally 17.16.45 # ze, have you written them before ? 17.16.57 # GodEater: kinda sorta, i usually find a close one and cannabalize it 17.17.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.17.53 Quit crop ("CGI:IRC") 17.18.34 # would you mind checking this one over then ? It's the first one I've written =/ 17.18.41 Quit spiorf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.18.54 # well if you still want, i'll check it later 17.18.56 # tired, going to bed 17.19.05 # oh ok 17.19.18 # linuxstb: I also have to run - I'll check back with you about svn later. 17.20.43 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 17.21.18 Quit jgarvey (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.21.19 Join jgarvey_ [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-066-057-231-236.nc.res.rr.com) 17.25.23 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 17.28.12 Join pepie34 [0] (n=pepie34@cop60-1-82-240-26-92.fbx.proxad.net) 17.28.51 Join konam [0] (n=konam@101stb68.codetel.net.do) 17.28.54 # hi 17.30.06 # i was reading the documentation to encode vids to the ipod nano 17.30.50 # some of you can tell me how can i make this entry to encode 'just video' (without sound): -acodec mp3 -ar 44100 -vcodec mpeg2video -s 176x128 -b 256kb -strict -1 17.31.30 Part rift_ 17.34.52 Quit billytwowilly (Remote closed the connection) 17.35.15 Join billytwowilly [0] (n=chris@S0106001346f5afbd.cg.shawcable.net) 17.40.29 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 17.43.10 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 17.47.49 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 17.51.20 Join Kingstone [0] (i=Kingston@87.69.67.222) 17.51.24 # hello 17.51.26 # i have rockbox installed 17.51.32 # how can i go to the original firmware for a sec? 17.51.39 # or the only way is uninstalling rockbox? 17.51.41 # depends on your player. 17.51.42 # ipod 5g 17.51.51 # i do reset and? 17.51.54 # flip the hold switch while booting. 17.51.58 # ok thanks 17.52.05 # and check the manual, it has information about this ;-) 17.52.24 # i've read the installation 17.52.30 # it didn't say there so i thought 17.52.31 # sry 17.52.46 # well, it's described in the following chapter ;-) 17.52.46 # do you understand technically in rockbox? 17.53.00 # i mean programaticaly 17.53.07 # do you edit the boot image on the ipod? 17.53.25 # i mean there is image tables soso, dpua, crsr 17.53.40 # do you actually edit them or just change offsets? 17.55.56 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 18.06.27 # you can change the logo 18.06.47 # soso, dpua, crsr? 18.14.01 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.15.06 Quit _Veseliq_ ("www.ModReactor.com www.ModReactor.com www.ModReactor.com www.ModReactor.com www.ModReactor.com") 18.19.20 # not logo 18.19.27 # i mean image 18.19.30 # not a graphical one 18.21.19 Quit Anakin (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.22.17 Join inakidfap [0] (i=0@86.122.116.44) 18.22.57 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A94DA8.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.25.17 Quit konam (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.29.16 Join ice8lue [0] (n=ice8lue@L7626.l.strato-dslnet.de) 18.29.41 # hey everybody... could u help me with an mpegplayer problem? 18.31.10 Quit ice8lue (Client Quit) 18.32.12 Quit petur ("work->home") 18.35.52 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.38.17 Quit pondlife ("disconnected has pondlife") 18.41.18 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host155-219-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 18.41.37 Join Arathis_ [0] (n=doerk@p5484BEB6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.41.51 # yay - ebuild appears to work! 18.44.20 # uploaded to wiki 18.45.30 # ebuild to what ? rbutil ? 18.46.01 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@38.98.196.75) 18.46.05 Join PaulJam [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3033.gwdg.de) 18.47.48 # yep 18.48.50 # why not put on gentoo bugzilla ? 18.49.25 # erm 18.49.56 # because then people that *know* how to write ebuilds will look at it and I'll get very embarassed ? :) 18.50.23 # where it is, I could take a look 18.50.43 # on the rbutil wiki page 18.50.45 # I made some ebuilds and some even got into portage 18.51.04 # besides, I'd also have to commit to maintaining it as well - and I have the attention span of a peanut 18.51.17 # you're welcome to submit it if you awnt 18.51.19 # *want 18.53.16 # * GodEater makes "ooh, shiny!" noises and goes off to look at something that'll hold his interest for about .5 seconds 18.55.06 Join AdmiralJ [0] (n=AdmiralJ@c-69-252-146-232.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 18.55.14 Quit Arathis (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.55.48 # I have no idea why you did those src_compile and so as they're standard ones 18.56.00 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 18.56.04 # desowin: because I couldn't make it pull from svn without them 18.56.14 # it just kept saying "Make: no targets" and giving up 18.56.15 # :( 18.56.23 # but if you know how to fix it - please do so! 18.56.53 # ok, I'll make few alternations and put it on gentoo bugzilla 18.57.47 # cool 18.58.17 Quit obo ("KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/") 18.58.18 # I've also not tested it on a machine without wxGTK already installed 18.58.22 # it *should* pull it in in theory 18.58.24 # oh, and regarding cvs/svn/git/any-other-version-control ebuilds - those aren't usually being introduced into portage, and if those do, those appear without keyword, so to unmask them you need to accept ** on those 18.58.26 # but I've no idea if that works either 18.58.45 # yeah - I didn't think it'd really get accepted in that state 18.58.57 # so you'll take my keywords out too I guess ;) 18.59.10 # I'll make an release ebuild too 18.59.24 # thank you for you help :) 18.59.31 # *your 18.59.32 # no problem 18.59.51 Join sa1 [0] (n=Sam@gw.tri.net) 18.59.57 # linuxstb wanted to put it in svn, but I don't really see the point myself 19.00.12 # hi 19.00.15 # bad idea imo 19.00.19 # I got a quick question 19.00.40 # it looks like he wants to raise his lines changed in stats ;-) 19.00.41 # yah, mine too 19.00.45 # hahahaha 19.00.56 # and get away with a zero delta increase to boot :) 19.01.28 # sa1: we're not psychic, so just ask it 19.01.47 # I bought a zune loving its hardware, just to find out its software sucks is there a rockbox version planned? 19.02.13 # sa1: not really 19.02.19 # we have a post in our new ports forum 19.02.22 # but it's not moved anywhere in months 19.02.36 # as far as we know - no-one has managed to execute unsigned code on the Zune 19.02.47 # why not? its one of the only mp3 players with wifi, you could make a mobile web browser 19.02.51 # it would be awesome 19.02.53 # see above 19.03.01 # oh 19.03.03 # hmm 19.03.12 # also - a *lot* of our devs are in Europe 19.03.17 # where the Zune is not on sale 19.03.23 # so they don't even have one to try with 19.04.01 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 19.04.04 # sa1: You could *try* looking at the zune-linux forums - but we don't really take their project very seriously 19.04.15 # ok I got to go talk to mr.gates then 19.04.21 # hmm, app-misc or where it would fit better ? 19.04.23 # the only person there we have any respect for is Zunepet, and he's not making much progress 19.04.26 # * sa1 grabs sniper rifle 19.04.29 # desowin: x11-apps 19.04.41 # at least, that's where I was going to put it 19.05.00 # well at least i know somebody is somewhat trying 19.05.03 # there's hope 19.05.27 # well, i'm planning on an iphone, so i can pawn that thing off on my sis 19.05.44 # jhMikeS: An asm volatile (""); should never get optimised away 19.05.50 Part sa1 19.06.09 Join Twat [0] (n=lordslac@200.25.193.138) 19.06.24 # I can't believe I just sent someone to the zune-linux forums in all seriousness :( 19.06.35 # I think I need a lie down 19.06.39 # ahaha 19.07.22 # Making the delay loops target specific is an option, but imo this should be done in a reusable way (target tree .h file) 19.07.47 # Perhaps something like udelay() on pp targets 19.08.33 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 19.08.51 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@cpe-70-113-103-34.austin.res.rr.com) 19.09.03 Nick Arathis_ is now known as Arathis (n=doerk@p5484BEB6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.09.12 # indeed 19.09.36 # GodEater: your ebuild installs rbutil into /bin, it wouldn't be packaged in portage for sure ;-) 19.09.54 # oh 19.10.00 # ${D}/usr ? 19.10.05 # Unlike on pp, this wouldn't be a precise amount of microseconds though (could be approximated, but not 100% reliable) 19.10.06 # I wondered about that. 19.10.16 # never fear, I'll make it working 19.10.32 # Anybody can help me with a progressive rock server/room? 19.10.48 # desowin: this is the first ebuild I ever wrote - I'm amazed it works at all ;) 19.11.58 Join thegeek [0] (i=thegeek@ti521110a080-0286.bb.online.no) 19.12.58 Part maffe 19.13.04 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 19.13.35 # amconn: is does 19.13.49 # amiconn: wouldn't a simple sleep() that takes number of cycles work good? 19.13.59 # or rather the code around it does 19.14.36 # verified by looking at disassemblies 19.15.07 Part Twat 19.15.20 # jhMikeS: The 'volatile' marks an asm block as having side effects the compiler cannot know precisely. So it is not allowed to optimised it, or the code around it, in anyway that changes how often the block is executed 19.15.28 # If it does, it's a bug in the compiler 19.17.17 # preglow: A certain number of cycles can vary a lot in terms of actual time on targets with cpu scaling. I'd rather want an udelay() to take that into account 19.17.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.17.46 # On PP and on archos it's simple; PP has the microsecond timer and archos is fixed frequency 19.19.15 # why can it not remove code in the block legally but keep the part declared volatile? 19.19.17 # Taking the frequency into account isn't too difficult, and it should also be reliable unless it's used in an isr 19.19.42 # archos.ico is offical rbutil app icon ? 19.20.28 # jhMikeS: It can remove code in the block, but it must not remove the loop around it, or move the block out of the loop 19.21.06 # I mean it can remove code from the loop except the 'asm volatile' block itself 19.21.09 # the only loop around it is a do {} while(0) 19.21.21 # which is empty 19.21.45 # I am taking about this one: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/target/coldfire/iriver/h100/adc-h100.c?r1=13724&r2=13725 19.21.47 # (left side) 19.22.23 # amiconn: but won't a udelay have too coarse a resolution to be used in some of the places loops are currently used? 19.22.26 # If the compiler removes the for loop around the asm volatile, it has a bug 19.22.52 # preglow: Then make an ndelay()... 19.22.58 # heh 19.23.34 # ah yes, I may have put my semicolon in the wrong spot 19.24.11 # The semicolon is correct afaics 19.25.23 # the one there is...I could have mistakenly done : do { int _x; for (_x=0;_x<20;_x++); asm volatile(""); } while(0); and not noticed 19.26.22 Join dandin1 [0] (n=dandin1@bas12-ottawa23-1088846967.dsl.bell.ca) 19.26.56 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 19.27.12 # that would give the problem I experienced for sure 19.28.04 # yes 19.28.19 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 19.28.34 # You could double check that, but to be honest, a gcc bug wouldn't surprise me much 19.28.48 # * jhMikeS just gets ticked off at gcc really easily and applies the truism "if you want something done right..." :) esp. when really tired. 19.29.26 Join AJS [0] (n=someme2@190.4.33.18) 19.29.28 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 19.30.23 # llorean , hi i posted the message yestarday 19.30.45 # i also added the question at the forum http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=11256.msg85306;topicseen#msg85306 19.31.18 Join spiorf_ [0] (n=spiorf@host193-223-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 19.31.41 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@81.168.43.92) 19.32.32 Nick inakidfap is now known as Anakin (i=0@86.122.116.44) 19.34.48 # why can't the generic driver be employed for the radio and flash on H100? I'd think with delay adjustment to account for function call overhead it would be just fine. 19.36.06 # Is there any way to recieve the SVN-chanches and new patches via a RSS-feed? 19.37.46 # another thing was loops using "volatile int _x;" cause gcc to save _x to the stack and reload it on every loop 19.39.11 Quit billytwowilly (Remote closed the connection) 19.39.30 Join billytwowilly [0] (n=chris@S0106001346f5afbd.cg.shawcable.net) 19.40.30 Join crop [0] (i=d918e82b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-393fe7b4fef287ea) 19.41.34 # jhMikeS: I confirm that the FM works as it should now on my H120. Thank you! 19.42.26 # oh, found bug in rbutil - it should check if device is mounted before installing 19.42.27 Part crop ("That's all I wanted to say! Bye :-)") 19.44.08 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul) 19.44.19 # is rbutil.ini intended to change ? in sense does rbutil write to this file ? 19.46.48 # oh, also rbutil segfaults if there's no rbutil.ini in dir where rbutil is (and there's no /etc/rbutil.ini) and there's player connected (atleast it segfaults with my iPod mini in such situation) 19.50.02 # * jhMikeS wonders why the generic driver needs to be passed bus_address and double check things instead of just receiving an i2c_interface pointer 19.50.26 Quit spiorf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.50.32 # I found that it writes config into ~/.rbutil, so I assume rbutil.ini isn't intended to be changed by app, but could anyone confirm ? 19.53.38 Quit Febs ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]") 19.55.26 Join Siltaar_ [0] (n=Siltaar@reverse-52.fdn.fr) 19.55.27 Quit Siltaar (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.59.30 # linuxstb: rbutil's Makefile should handle rbutil.ini 19.59.45 # (install) 20.00.56 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@83.233.231.172) 20.01.57 # The-Compiler: there is 20.02.54 # for the FS tasks it's on the tracker 20.03.26 Quit pepie34 (Connection timed out) 20.03.41 # and for SVN commits it's on http://cia.vc/stats/project/rockbox 20.05.10 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 20.05.16 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 20.06.15 Join pepie34 [0] (n=pepie34@cop60-1-82-240-26-92.fbx.proxad.net) 20.07.31 # Nico_P: Thank you 20.08.07 # you're welcome ;) 20.09.19 # Nico_P: But on the tracker, there is only a feed for all flyspray-entries. I would like to have one with only the patches. 20.09.37 # I'm not sure that's possible 20.09.38 # GodEater: don't you have anything against deleting your ebuild from wiki ? it's broken 20.11.07 Join Aldoliel [0] (n=aldoliel@5ac33bee.bb.sky.com) 20.12.01 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@e179062114.adsl.alicedsl.de) 20.12.29 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 20.12.42 # Domonoky: is rbutil.ini intended to change ? in sense does rbutil write to this file ? 20.12.44 # desowin: rbutil.ini is static configuration.. 20.12.54 # ok,thanks 20.12.56 # * Domonoky just read the log :-) 20.12.58 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 20.13.32 # rbutil: should check if the ini is there, and abort if it isnt, and not segfault.. i will check the code.. 20.14.05 # and archos.ico is the offical icon, isn't it ? 20.14.15 # about the mounting... thats linux specific, so if some linux guru writes a check for it, it would be nice :-) 20.14.35 # it is, but it is old, and should be changed.. 20.14.53 # because rockbox isnt only archos anmore :-) 20.15.22 # GodEater: only make ebuild a big nicer, test it few times, and done :-) 20.18.21 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 20.22.05 Join sa1 [0] (n=Sam@gw.tri.net) 20.22.10 Part sa1 20.22.19 # * Domonoky just fixed the segfault if there is no rbutil.ini file.. 20.23.05 # can anyone remove rbutil-0.8.ebuild from wiki ? I'll upload fixed one soon 20.23.40 # desowin: use the "replace" function of the wiki..with the new one.. :-) 20.24.03 # access denied 20.24.21 # new one will have different name 20.24.58 # then upload the new one, and hide the old one.. 20.25.16 # delete is only aviable for admins i think.. 20.25.55 # as u see, there are many old files there, just hidden.. :-) 20.28.20 # could you give a short description, a bitmore informational than "The Rockbox Utility" ? 20.29.38 # hm.. 20.29.43 Join saratoga [0] (i=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0e9e228e20a051c3) 20.30.51 # i would say something like: "The Rockbox Utility, all you need for installing an managing rockbox" .. :-) 20.31.18 # Though it's not *yet* to that point. ;) 20.31.27 # or: rbutil: pimp you dap :-) 20.32.01 # it''ll aapper in .desktop file ;-) so keep it rather useful ;-) 20.32.31 # "The Rockbox Utility, all you need for installing an managing rockbox" sounds good though 20.33.20 # The official rockbox utility, .. but its not there at the moment :-) 20.33.33 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 20.33.55 # but its working.. just missing things, and polishing.. 20.34.23 # I think "all you need" is good in this case, as it's still being developed 20.34.41 # i thing especially the install dialogs needs more work, to include all necessary infomation.. ( things rbutil cant do.. like restarting or such things..) 20.56.47 # GodEater: check out my ebuild (attached to wiki) 20.57.53 # and I asked in #gentoo where if fits, and I got told that media-sound is place for it 20.58.04 # s/if/it/ 20.59.28 Quit The-Compiler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.59.49 Quit printfXh4 (No route to host) 21.11.42 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 21.13.26 Quit Siltaar_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.17.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.18.24 Join Siltaar_ [0] (n=Siltaar@reverse-52.fdn.fr) 21.23.25 Join MrKeuner_ [0] (n=kudo@unaffiliated/mrkeuner) 21.23.35 # hi, what distro is rockbox based on? 21.23.47 # it's not 21.23.57 # MrKeuner_: rockbox is not linux based !! 21.24.20 # Domonoky: what is the kernel then? 21.24.28 # rockbox :-) 21.25.00 # its just a small kernel, so its completly written by rockbox devs.. 21.25.11 # but I see some GNU/Linux games here, so all of them were ported? 21.25.22 # yes 21.25.44 # jeah, they are ported, thats not to difficult with the plugin system rockbox has.. 21.25.46 Quit GodEater (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.25.51 # how can I compile my application for rockbox? 21.26.16 # I guess it is not compiled on rockbox :) 21.26.17 # you have to rewrite/change it, so it is a plugin.. 21.26.41 # it's almost certainly going to take non-trivial porting time 21.26.44 # have a look at the wiki for what you need do develop for rockbox.. 21.27.10 # yes.. ist more then make, you need to be able to code :-) 21.27.28 # OK, but wouldn't it be more portable if linux kernel was used? 21.27.35 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 21.27.37 # probably 21.27.43 # that doesn't mean it's a good idea 21.27.56 # what are the drawbacks 21.28.08 # Lots more overhead? 21.28.12 # there are too much things in the linux kernel you dont need on a dap.. 21.28.24 # Domonoky: even after removing all modules 21.28.31 # yes.. 21.28.37 # Rockbox is not desined to be a full operating system, it's designed to be an MP3 player firmware. 21.28.50 # designed 21.28.52 # for example the sheduler is way more complicated in linux than in rockbox.. 21.29.21 # linux would be pretty bloated for some of the targets rockbox supports 21.29.40 # so it doesnt really make sense, just compare ipodlinux with rockbox.. *hehe* :-) 21.29.42 Join entheh [0] (n=purr@88-106-188-62.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 21.30.04 # hehe I see 21.30.26 # well I haven't tried it though, but what you tell makes sense to me 21.30.30 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 21.30.34 # thanks for the good work, it is really great 21.35.49 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 21.38.09 # is there any way to write strings rotated by some chance? 21.40.56 Quit desowin ("use linux") 21.44.17 Quit Aldoliel ("Leaving") 21.47.20 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.47.37 Quit pepie34 ("Ex-Chat") 21.47.47 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF7BC6.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.48.22 Join MySic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 21.48.28 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@i-83-67-214-206.freedom2surf.net) 21.49.53 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-075-050.pools.arcor-ip.net) 21.51.32 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@100.25.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 21.52.28 Quit davina ("xchat on Ubuntu 7.04") 21.58.04 Quit The-Compiler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.58.17 Quit scorche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.58.48 Join scorche [0] (i=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 22.03.12 Quit dandin1 () 22.03.40 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 22.05.26 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.12.18 # is dealing with MENU_ATTACHED_USB still necessary or is that old code? it seems like 1/2 do and 1/2 don't 22.12.34 # (in do_menu) 22.13.33 # do I really need to set my battery amperage correctly. If it is not correct does it drain sooner, or does any other harm? 22.14.11 # MrKeuner_: For most players it's only used for estimating playtime remaining 22.14.14 # MrKeuner: i believe that's only for estimating the time left 22.14.25 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 22.14.35 # On one of the old Archoses (Recorder? I'm not sure which) I believe it's used for calculating the percentage too, but I'm not sure. 22.15.36 # The battery capacity is only used for runtime estimation on all targets except the Archos recorder v1 22.16.13 # The latter has software controlled charging, and hence uses te capacity setting for the charging safety timer 22.16.53 # so, actually I hosuld better set it correctly anyways :) mine is ipod nano 1st gen 22.17.05 # working with NO problems here 22.19.04 # The default setting should be correct on all targets as long as the stock battery wasn't replaced by a different one. The only exceptions are the Iaudio 'L' variants (X5L and M5L), which can't be distinguished from the non-L variants in software 22.19.34 # I guess I have played with it, the default is 1300 mAh? 22.20.52 # Hmm... that's the rockbox default for nano, but it looks like a mistake 22.21.10 # http://www.ipodbatteryfaq.com/ipodbatteryandpower.html says the stock battery in the nano is 300mAh 22.22.25 # I don't believe the proper defaults have been set on the iPods yet 22.22.34 # Though I thought I'd read somewhere that the Nano was 400 22.22.36 # * Llorean shrugs 22.23.49 # well, 1300 mAh is the lowest that I can set in my version of rockbox 22.24.35 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@i-83-67-214-206.freedom2surf.net) 22.27.18 # does lower amp batteries last longer? 22.27.32 # in terms of running time 22.28.08 # no, higher amp is more power 22.28.17 Join slash [0] (n=chatzill@S010600179a4b01c2.vc.shawcable.net) 22.28.22 # no, mAh is a measure of mA (current) times hours (time), longer is better. changing the setting is rockbox is not going to have much effect except in estimating how much battery is left 22.28.27 # mah = milli ampere hours 22.28.33 # hey whats up guys 22.29.02 # one question do you guys plan on releasing a rockbox for the zune? 22.29.14 # it's my only motive for buying it -) 22.29.16 # one answer: we don't "plan" new releases at all 22.29.20 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@81.168.43.92) 22.29.30 # but no, the zune is far away from a port 22.29.31 # can you clarify please? 22.29.38 # oh ok 22.29.48 # slash: People who own the hardware, and are interested in it, do the port. 22.29.56 Join davina [0] (n=dave@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 22.30.10 # oh yeah open source 22.30.40 # hey anyone know how to open the channel through mirc? im using mozilla right now 22.30.51 # which license is rockbox using? 22.31.00 # GPL 22.31.01 # MrKeuner_: GPL 22.31.09 # slash: #rockbox on irc.freenode.net, isn't that all you need? 22.31.27 # GPL, that's cool too 22.31.49 # im kind of noob at this whole irc thin 22.32.14 Quit MySic (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.35.23 Quit atsea- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.38.05 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.38.12 # why does sound start ranges from like ~-70 to +6 ?Do I have to set that somewhere? 22.38.29 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@84.191.69.70) 22.38.38 # Set what? 22.38.40 # it's in units of the decibel change to apply to music 22.38.56 # negative means quieter than it would otherwise be 22.39.45 # Llorean: I do not know really, since it was not symmetric, I thought may be it needs adjustment for my hardware 22.39.47 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.40.13 # you'll almost never want to go positive...on my player anything about -20 is unbearably loud 22.40.14 # MrKeuner_: I don't know what you mean by symmetric in this case... 22.40.24 # mud-rb: Not to mention positive means a fair chance of clipping 22.40.33 # Llorean: i think he is just confused why it's not 0-100 or something 22.40.44 # Llorean: I would expect -70 to +70 or -6 to +6 22.40.59 # MrKeuner_: Why would you expect that? Are you familiar with the decibel scale? 22.41.13 # :) OK I surrender 22.41.38 Join atsea- [0] (i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-b54bd9cf0772ece8) 22.41.47 # you could probably work up a patch pretty easily to offset the displayed values if it really bothers you i guess :) 22.42.13 # but then it wouldnt have much meaning.. 22.42.23 # mud-rb: It doesn't bother knowing that it is expected 22.45.30 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.45.47 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 22.45.47 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.47.13 # if i get PLUGIN_USB_CONNECTED or MENU_ATTACHED_USB, am i allowed to do cleanup that could possibly take some time? like can i poll the user or is that bad? 22.47.17 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.49.07 Quit stripwax (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.49.39 Join webguest53 [0] (i=4aa794a0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-dfa5ece9edcbfda0) 22.49.46 Quit slash ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]") 22.54.27 Quit Rincewind ("Cya") 22.56.56 Quit webguest53 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.57.06 Quit Kingstone () 22.57.33 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 22.58.21 # thesansa.com is officially not liked by me 22.59.09 # Any particular reason? 22.59.19 # I understand they spammed the anythingbutipod forums at one point. 22.59.27 # they spam me all the time 22.59.31 # with "newsletters" 22.59.49 # Aaaaah 23.00.37 # wow the forums look painful...there's no less than 3 "how do i skin the original firmware with rockbox installed" posts just on this first page 23.00.37 # since I once registered there and had a checkbox left marked "allow admins to contact me" 23.00.44 Part maffe 23.01.00 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 23.02.11 # what's this 'rockbox installer'? 23.03.21 # isn't there some sort of unofficial installer for rockbox? i assumed they meant that 23.03.37 # People like to hack together installers... 23.04.12 # does it include code from rockbox.org? I only see a link to a binary 23.04.13 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 23.05.00 # * linuxstb wonders what we're talking about 23.10.48 # really, anyone know if i can relax if i get one of the indications that USB is connected, or will rockbox freak out somehow? i could just try it, but i'm going to have to change how my program works depending on the answer... 23.11.09 # (i need to know if i can poll the user for a filename to save to before i exit out) 23.11.15 Join thegeek_ [0] (n=thegeek@ti521110a080-0286.bb.online.no) 23.11.37 # mud-rb: i think it shouldnt take too long.. and user interaction isnt good i think.. 23.11.44 # IIUC, your plugin should exit cleanly asap. Why not ask the user for the filename earlier? 23.12.06 # thanks, i guess that's what i'll have to do 23.12.15 Quit ompaul ("Leaving") 23.12.26 # Is there any reason a user will want to use your plugin, but not save? 23.12.35 # yes 23.12.38 # Rockbox won't run into trouble if usb acknowledge is delayed, but the host system you're connecting to will 23.12.56 # oh, so it is kind of important...okay i'll have to take that into account somehow 23.13.10 Part maffe 23.13.26 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 23.13.50 # On windows it will cause 'usb device blah couldn't be detected' and a non-working connection, but no serious problem 23.14.09 # maybe i'll just have a panic file that it saves to if none is set...that shouldn't be too horrible 23.14.18 # Disconnecting and reconnection (without delay) will fix it. Linux might need a reboot to make its usb stack working again 23.14.24 # ahh 23.14.37 # yeah, that sounds like i should avoid it, even if it's not very likely anyone would run into it 23.15.38 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@m60.net81-64-221.noos.fr) 23.15.45 Part peppo ("part") 23.16.37 Quit davina (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.16.46 # Would it make sense to a temporary file that is used to save the current state? So a user can enter and leave your plugin without needing to explicitly load/save. 23.17.24 # (not really a temporary file) 23.17.26 # hmm, yeah that's a really good idea actually 23.17.35 # i should probably do that 23.17.41 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.17.58 # hehe, thanks :) 23.18.13 Join aasdasd [0] (i=thegeek@ti521110a080-0286.bb.online.no) 23.19.25 # Don't forget to add a header with a version number - so future versions of your plugin can reject old files. 23.19.47 Part maffe 23.19.57 # hmm, yeah i'm actually using a standard game format file so that should already be taken care of 23.20.00 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 23.20.11 Quit AJS (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.20.23 Quit thegeek (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.21.26 Join Telemorphic [0] (i=40b45e16@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-43bf5b2ad8e5fb49) 23.21.33 # I think Sudoku does something similar (I wrote it, but my memory is hazy...). IIRC, there's a "sudoku.ss" file in the rocks folder, which is opened when the plugin is started via "browse plugins". Or a user can select a different .ss file via the rockbox file browser, and start sudoku as a viewer for that .ss file. 23.21.35 Join davina [0] (n=dave@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 23.22.03 Quit amiconn (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- s0 d4Mn l33t |t'z 5c4rY!") 23.22.17 Quit SirFunk (Remote closed the connection) 23.22.24 # oh i forgot about sudoku...i should have looked more at that for the structure of my plugin i bet. i tried looking at chessbox but it got scary. 23.22.25 # Hi all, I've recently had all my equalizer settings messed up and I was wondering if somewhere there is a list of the default settings? 23.23.03 Part Domonoky 23.23.10 # Isn't the default zero for all bands? 23.23.11 # anybody? 23.23.29 # zero db is default 23.23.34 # no I don't think it is 23.23.37 # it is 23.23.41 # I believe there's even a "default" preset. 23.23.47 # And I'm quite certian 0 in all bands is the default 23.23.51 # I 23.23.56 # I've set it to default 23.24.02 # but the problem still happens 23.24.02 # zero db gain, 1.0 Q except for shelves, which is 0.7 23.24.07 # freqs i can't remember 23.24.20 # what problem are you having that you think the EQ is causing? 23.24.22 # what problem is that? 23.24.25 # 60, 200, 1000, something, something? 6, and 15? 23.24.50 # i never liked the default freqs 23.24.50 # it's hard to explain 23.25.00 # ...try? 23.25.27 # parts of songs get washed out 23.25.50 # IIU settings_list.c, the freqs are 60, 200, 800, 4000, 12000, Q is 7, 10, 10, 10, 7 and dB is zero everywhere. 23.26.14 # linuxstb: Sounds right. 23.26.17 # Like when I listen to Ether by Gang of Four, all teh back talk is almost too quiet to hear 23.26.37 # hmm, and the song sounds fine on another player i assume? 23.26.37 # What if you just turn the eq off? 23.26.39 # and you're absolutely certain all the bands are set to 0 dB gain? 23.26.49 # try disabling the eq, yeah 23.26.57 # that should definitely kill it 23.27.19 # all I can do is enable it over and over 23.27.53 # is disable the same as Enable EQ -> No? 23.27.58 # Yes 23.28.46 # that does the same thing as defaulting 23.29.02 # Then the problem has nothing to do with the EQ. 23.29.16 # Have you tried listening to these songs in the original firmware, or on another player, with no EQ? 23.29.26 # Do you have other sound settings enabled - e.g. bass, treble ? 23.29.27 # perhaps you've managed to enable crossfeed? 23.29.32 # My bet is that one setting is way off, I don't think they had to time to really change 23.29.42 # Yeah I am listening to them now on Foobar 23.29.50 Quit thegeek_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.29.56 # a sure bet is just saving your current settings, then resetting to default 23.30.00 # and they are the same as when I was listenign to them on my way to work yesterday morning 23.30.08 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 23.30.27 # I don't even have my own settings 23.30.43 # is there a simple way to reset to default? 23.30.50 # oh, just go to Settings->Manage Settings->Reset Settings then 23.31.10 # General Settings? 23.31.24 # no, under that 23.31.47 # Oh ok I found it 23.31.48 # thanks 23.32.59 # Oh I guess I did have one setting 23.33.04 Quit maffe (Remote closed the connection) 23.33.31 Quit petur ("*plop*") 23.33.40 # where do I change my volume and battery to be numerical? 23.35.00 # general settings.. that's a DISPLAY setting, obviously.. and it involves the STATUS BAR.. :) 23.35.12 # i.e. general settings -> display settings -> status bar. 23.35.34 # I really appreciate how apparent you are making my noobery 23.35.37 # :p 23.35.55 # no problem, remember to use some common sense! 23.35.57 # :) 23.36.01 # And the manual! 23.36.18 # I prefer people to both those things 23.36.35 # haha 23.36.44 # Telemorphic: Unfortunately, we prefer people who follow the channel guidelines. 23.37.02 # As many of us have already typed the same thing into the manual, and don't see why having us type identical statements again really benefits anyone. 23.37.48 # Well next time I promise to check the manual, as for this time though... thanks? 23.37.56 # sure 23.38.40 Quit Telemorphic ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23.40.59 Quit joa ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 23.43.20 Join tedrock [0] (n=tedrock@d235-159-230.home1.cgocable.net) 23.44.15 Join joa [0] (n=joe@86.155.238.101) 23.49.39 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 23.52.11 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 23.52.13 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 23.53.19 Join webguest34 [0] (i=4aed22dc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8dd5ccdd77358f4c) 23.54.40 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 23.55.06 Part webguest34 23.55.36 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@p54BD66E4.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.58.01 Quit jgarvey_ ("Leaving")