--- Log for 11.07.107 Server: heinlein.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 2 days and 12 hours ago 00.00.01 # great, it makes sense 00.00.03 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.00.13 # linuxstb: ? 00.00.25 # Or am I talking nonsense? 00.00.28 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3008.gwdg.de) 00.00.57 # well if do some correction or interpolation or something i guess the more data you have the better 00.01.11 # I'm thinking mainly from experience of video encoding - a high quality picture will encode easier than a low quality (i.e. lots of noise) one. 00.01.45 # I think the freq range and response of the internal mic isn't very good, so why waste bits on it? 00.02.25 # didnt you say to use the highest bitrate? 00.02.32 # linuxstb: I think here we'll have lack of details 00.02.56 # I just think that if the quality is poor to start with, then you don't want to do anything else to make it worse. But I should probably just stop talking... 00.03.02 # linuxstb: Three sounds definitely wrong. Should be one. 00.03.10 # How many do you get in the browser? 00.03.15 # Just the one. 00.03.39 # Hilikus: maybe try it at home... try between 192 and 320 00.04.01 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@cpe-74-71-205-222.twcny.res.rr.com) 00.04.39 # or, as I said, if it's going to be loud, go for wav anyway 00.04.59 # I would only take mp3 to have less spinups 00.06.16 # great great 00.06.21 Part n1s 00.06.32 # im off, thanks a lot for the help guys 00.06.36 Quit hannesd ("Client suicide") 00.07.49 # gotta love rb 00.07.55 # see ya 00.07.59 Quit Hilikus () 00.08.06 Quit thegeek () 00.08.19 Part maffe 00.08.41 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 00.08.44 # good quality video compressed better because of very good/long spatial correlation lengths 00.08.52 # imo not really analogous to audio 00.09.20 # since audio has no spatial extent 00.09.37 # (ignoring stereo anyway) 00.09.53 # the button configuration for root/playlist on ipod is wired. 00.10.21 # if i enter it and don't do anything but wat to leave it again clicking menu is enough 00.11.16 # but if i enter view playlist and want to leave the playlist menu pressing menu doesn't quit it.. 00.12.01 # i have to press << at least 2 times... 00.12.09 Join thegeek [0] (i=thegeek@ti521110a080-5005.bb.online.no) 00.15.27 # is ACTION_STD_CANCEL mapped to << and ACTION_STD_MENU mapped to menu on iPods? 00.15.33 # ;) The function doing all these updates is called gui_list_draw_smart() ... 00.15.48 # heh 00.15.56 # not the smartest way :P 00.16.25 # Although I'm guessing it's just being called multiple times from the menus. 00.16.58 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.20.03 # linuxstb: But then there are actually 2 problems 00.20.27 # (1) the menu code calling gui_list_draw_smart() more often than necessary 00.20.53 # (2) gui_list_draw_smart() not being smart enough to notice that the list position & highlight didn't change at all 00.21.11 # * amiconn wonders what Slasheri did there 00.22.30 # so. which pub? 00.23.21 Quit dan_a ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12") 00.28.15 Quit saratoga2 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 00.28.17 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 00.32.34 # amiconn: I'm not sure what gui_list_draw_smart() should be doing, but the problem seems to be an extra call to gui_synclist_draw() in the main menu loop. This is called twice - once on button press and once on button release, and there is no obvious need for either call - the list is updated by yet another function - gui_synclist_do_button() which processes the action. 00.33.11 # The only time I can think the extra update is needed is when playback stops - meaning the menu item changes from Now Playing to Resume Playback. 00.33.51 # * linuxstb wonders if JdGordon knows what's going on and could fix it. 00.35.29 Join Soul-Slayer [0] (n=Administ@89.241.225.119) 00.37.49 Join conorkirkpatric1 [0] (i=432ad0dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0e7ed28102c2e9e7) 00.38.07 # Hi 00.38.59 # hi 00.39.42 # lo 00.40.01 # DerPapst: Jtx and dan were talking about you in #openplay :P 00.40.16 # stripwax: Are you planning on attending DevConPub/ 00.40.17 # ? 00.40.41 # would like to if that's ok 00.40.49 # The channel topic was: "Keep it clean or DerPapst gets it!" 00.40.54 Join saratoga [0] (i=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7fcd2da27fa58ade) 00.40.57 # not sure how I'd help or anything but I like beer 00.41.00 # stripwax: Of course - the more the merrier. 00.41.12 # conorkirkpatric1: heh 00.41.22 # stripwax: My intention is beer with the distraction of a little rockbox chat. 00.41.28 # sounds ok :) 00.41.58 # now peturs highlightning thinky is flashing... 00.42.06 # indeed :) 00.42.16 # The Eurostar is a wonderful thing... 00.42.23 # sorry I can't be there too 00.42.59 Nick chrisjs169__ is now known as chrisjs169 (n=jack@pool-71-114-123-105.hrbgpa.dsl-w.verizon.net) 00.43.35 Quit ender` (" If you're going to do something tonight that you'll be sorry for tomorrow morning, sleep late.") 00.44.25 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 00.46.11 Part chrisjs169 ("Konversation terminated!") 00.47.32 Join chrisjs169 [0] (n=chrisjs@pool-71-114-123-105.hrbgpa.dsl-w.verizon.net) 00.47.35 Quit mirak (Remote closed the connection) 00.47.56 Part chrisjs169 ("Konversation terminated!") 00.52.19 Nick iamben_ is now known as iamben (n=ben@dpc67142179038.direcpc.com) 00.52.58 # ! 00.53.04 # ? 00.53.30 # * amiconn found the same magic constant related to PP5002 clock setup that appears on the PP5020... 00.54.05 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 00.54.11 # Hrmm, dan_a is gone :| 00.54.51 # if you need someone for testing i can probably help out. 00.55.12 # but maybe not in the next 9 hours ;) 00.56.06 # and i don't have my build enviorment here -.- 00.56.42 Quit obo ("bye") 00.56.48 # btw.. is your linux build image available somewhere? 00.57.23 # i don't have enough space to install cygwin on my laptop. 00.58.28 # Then you won't be able to use vmware either 00.59.19 # The image uses almost 1GB after unzipping, and may grow to a maximum of ~4.7GB 01.00.10 # Hmm, does anyone else get a segfault in the sim when stopping playback? (I'm using an ipod sim) 01.00.32 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7245 01.01.43 # amiconn: i thought you have it down to ~150MB 01.02.00 # That is compressed size for transfer... 01.02.13 # 138MB 01.02.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.03.07 # ah.. ok ;) 01.03.34 # anyways.. is it available anywhere? 01.03.42 # This 0xd19b magic is really interesting... 01.03.57 # maybe i could use it on a portable hdd 01.04.39 # MrH wrote that the H10 firmware (PP5020) sets it _once_ when the clock is set above 66MHz.... and the PP5002 is locked to <= 66MHz in rockbox... and we don't set the magic (yet) 01.04.56 # This 66MHz can't be a coincidence... 01.05.14 # Hmm, perhaps you could indeed try sth on your G3 01.07.11 # ok... 01.07.45 Quit entheh ("^~") 01.07.48 # but you have to give me a compiled build.. i think the *ipod binary will be enough 01.07.54 # yes 01.07.58 # the rest is pretty much up to date 01.09.25 Quit Rincewind ("Cya") 01.12.19 # http://amiconn.dyndns.org/3g/rockbox.ipod 01.12.58 # Install this, go to debug menu, go to 'View I/O ports, and check estimated clock. Should be ~30000kHz 01.13.58 # k 01.13.59 # Then back out once, go to CPU frequency, bump the boost counter to 1 or more, go back, go to View I/O Ports again, and check the estimated clock 01.14.22 # I *hope* it will be ~78000kHz, not ~66000kHz 01.18.08 # unboosted is ~30000kHz. 01.18.22 # but i'm too stupid to bumb the boost counter 01.18.23 # Okay, as it should 01.18.36 # YOu need to turn the wheel left in order to boost 01.18.51 # (highly illogical, I know...) 01.18.55 # * linuxstb has never understood how/why that changed, but expect actions are to blame... 01.18.55 # ah thanks :) 01.19.00 # Took me a while to figure out as well 01.19.22 # is ~78000kHz 01.19.27 # linuxstb: Action code... JdGordon 01.19.32 # DerPapst: Wow! :) 01.19.36 Quit Siltaar (Remote closed the connection) 01.19.41 # * DerPapst has to talk to him as well :P 01.20.11 # DerPapst: Just to make sure, you could repeat this test with latest svn 01.20.37 # hm, plugging in usb while running test_codec causes prefetch abort at deadbeee. 01.20.44 # my ipod binary was before your pp502X fixes... stii do it? 01.21.17 # Latest svn... 01.21.29 # The older ones don't even have clock estimation 01.21.42 # odd.. the buttons don't react... backlight goes on but i can't quit View I/O Ports. 01.21.43 Quit bdgraue (Remote closed the connection) 01.21.52 # then you have to compile it for me (sorry) 01.21.59 # hm, and menu+play to reboot while usb is plugged in causes ipod to not be recognised by PC , and causes rockbox to lockup (although backlight still comes on when wheel is touched..) 01.22.05 # Er, download it from the site? 01.22.12 # why not download it from build.rockbox.org? 01.22.17 # lol 01.22.23 # DerPapst: Only Menu will leave View I/O ports 01.22.28 # * DerPapst forgot about that 01.22.48 # nope. nothing happens :-/ 01.22.52 # It's on purpose that only one button leaves that screen 01.23.04 # Hmm, lemme check, perhaps 3G is different 01.23.16 # Hmm, seems this was the commit that caused the multiple lcd_updates in the menu code - http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=13337 01.23.53 # 13337 ;) 01.24.47 # Should be MENU (only at release), hmmmmm 01.24.54 Quit stripwax (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.25.51 # somehow it didn't react. 01.26.01 # * DerPapst tries svn in a few secs 01.29.35 # unboosted 30MHz and menu button not working in this screen... 01.29.39 # i don't get it.. 01.30.22 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.30.29 # infact.. the only button that does anything is the hold switch 01.30.40 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p5496679B.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.30.59 # Hmm, dan_a said there are instabilities with clock scaling on G3 01.31.15 # but why only in this screen? 01.31.17 # I hope to be able to solve them as well, but that needs further code analysis 01.32.01 Quit lee-qid (Client Quit) 01.32.25 # maybe a hardware failure.. i can't reset the iPod. 01.32.28 # Perhaps it has nothing to do with clock scaling, bt with how the clock estimation works 01.32.44 # That's bad... 01.33.30 # damn :-( 01.33.46 # Perhaps it's on hold (/me always forgets about hold :( ) 01.33.57 # my other 3G is in dresden... 01.34.27 Quit petur ("Zzzzzz") 01.34.28 # red mens hold on right? 01.34.33 # * DerPapst slaps forehead 01.34.33 # yes 01.35.02 # svn boosted is 66MHz 01.35.09 # Hah! 01.35.21 # but menu button still doesn't work in there. 01.35.24 # * amiconn will commit immediately 01.35.35 # works on all other menus though 01.35.40 # Yes, it might lose button interrupts because of the clock estimation 01.35.56 # heh funny 01.36.10 # all other bouutns work (aka backlight goes on) 01.36.10 # Not sure whether that's the problem though 01.36.26 # And mmenu? 01.36.39 # nopethe only one that doesn't do anything 01.38.01 Quit secleinteer (Connection reset by peer) 01.38.11 # mmh... 01.38.22 # the menu button doesn't work at all o.O 01.38.29 # Not even light up the backlight? 01.38.30 Join conorkirkpatrick [0] (n=conorkir@67-42-208-221.ptld.qwest.net) 01.38.39 # nope 01.38.41 # nowhere 01.38.54 # How do you enter the menu then... 01.39.02 # * DerPapst is testing in the OF to make sure the button is ok 01.39.04 # Does anybody know how to put a 5G iPod to sleep from within rockbox? I used to be able to, but now I can't. 01.39.54 # amiconn: with the center button. the problem is i can't leave it then ;) 01.40.09 # No, I mean the main menu 01.40.17 # <<< 01.40.22 # - < 01.40.30 # Oh yes of course 01.40.36 # * amiconn slaps forehead 01.40.43 # * amiconn hopes forehead won't show up ;) 01.40.50 # poor forehead... ;) 01.40.52 Join kkurbjun [0] (n=kkurbjun@c-67-174-184-188.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 01.41.18 # bah.. 01.41.28 # seems like my menu button is busted. 01.41.31 # damn.. 01.41.40 # i've relaced the mobo already once 01.41.55 # because of a broken firewire controller 01.42.02 Join daniel_was_here [0] (n=dbd@48.68.233.220.exetel.com.au) 01.42.06 # DerPapst: I feel for ya man 01.42.08 # its alright DerPapst... it`ll get better. 01.42.16 # Take it one day at a time.. 01.42.58 # or mayve it's just the button pcb... 01.43.11 # No its broken... =) 01.43.30 # pressing it longer and harder than usually fires an event... 01.43.39 # DerPapst: Jtxdriggers wants to say: "I send my sympathies to derpapst from osgc :(" 01.44.13 # We can help you pull through this 01.44.34 # on a lighter note: Does anybody know why holding play from within rockbox doesn't put my iPod to sleep like it used to? 01.44.48 # * DerPapst wonders if it is possible to exchange the button pbc on a 3G iPod or if they are glued. 01.45.03 Quit Robin0800 (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Like it? Visit #hydrairc on EFNet") 01.45.05 # conorkirkpatrick: Are you using a custom build? 01.45.11 # Nope 01.45.22 # linuxstb: just the daily build from rockbox.org 01.45.23 # works fine here 01.45.45 # nvm 01.45.54 # I was being a n00b and thought it did it in 3 seconds :D 01.45.59 # It works now :) 01.46.09 Quit conorkirkpatric1 ("CGI:IRC") 01.46.39 # lol @ last commit message :D 01.47.00 # my ipod is strange.. 01.47.28 # now menu works again as there was never anything wrong with it :$ 01.48.27 # Now sell it... 01.48.36 # heh no 01.48.48 # i could sell my other semibroken 3G iPod 01.48.49 # * amiconn does the 78MHz dance 01.48.57 # * DerPapst joines 01.49.25 Quit billytwowilly (Remote closed the connection) 01.49.27 # -e ? 01.49.41 Join billytwowilly [0] (n=chris@S0106001346f5afbd.cg.shawcable.net) 01.50.25 # Was IPL setting that magic value for the 3G? 01.51.23 # nope 01.52.15 # The PP5020 has the same magic value, but maybe the apple loader sets it already 01.52.28 # PP5022 and up don't have it 01.53.35 # Trust me, the magic value *is* 20 million 01.55.39 # * pixelma thinks amiconn and DerPapst seem to moving quite fast :P 01.55.51 # +be 01.57.42 Quit andrewg867 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.57.50 Join andrewg867 [0] (n=andrew@stjhnf0124w-142162066131.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) 01.58.04 Quit andrewg867 (Client Quit) 01.58.10 Join andrew_ [0] (n=andrew@stjhnf0124w-142162066131.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) 02.03.27 # hehe ;) 02.03.45 # hi 02.04.20 # im asian i can answer anything 02.05.28 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.05.34 Join chrisjs169 [0] (n=chrisjs@pool-71-114-123-105.hrbgpa.dsl-w.verizon.net) 02.06.28 # what 02.06.47 # ok were leaving 02.06.48 # bye 02.06.58 # .... i thought i was random. 02.07.10 Join TiMiD[FD] [0] (n=TiMiD[FD@asgard.valombre.net) 02.07.48 # alienbiker99: how do i install rockbox on my zune? 02.08.05 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host50-216-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 02.10.36 # Zune? Forget that, how do I install rockbox on my calculator? 02.12.02 # good morning 02.14.05 # * amiconn goes zo sleep 02.14.12 # *to even 02.15.29 # good night 02.18.29 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF75BD.dip.t-dialin.net) 02.21.10 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.22.09 Join DC1 [0] (n=dc1@pool-70-107-145-20.ny325.east.verizon.net) 02.23.05 Quit daniel_was_here () 02.24.49 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 02.31.53 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-12hdtj8.cable.mindspring.com) 02.32.34 # i can't find where in the docs it talks about the radio feature (i have a sansa e200), can anyone point me in the right direction? 02.34.20 # iamben: radio was just recently added, might want to check on file spray or perhaps the mailing list 02.34.45 # ah ok, thanks 02.35.11 # i dont know which features are new, since i just started yesterday... seems sansa support in general is somewhat new though 02.35.13 # It's not mentioned in the manual? 02.35.57 # not that i can see... i didnt read it front to back in order, but i think ive been through all the sections now 02.36.57 # Llorean: I'm back. What I meant earlier about recording directories and CFG files is this: 02.37.15 # Looks like it's missing. You could read the manual for another device to see what _should_ be working on the Sansa. e.g. http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h100/rockbox-buildch5.html#x8-870005.9 02.37.26 # (the buttons will be different, but the functionality should be the same) 02.37.30 # I would like to have recordings made with different inputs stored in different directories 02.37.49 # Mic input to Dir1, line input to Dir2, etc 02.38.03 # is this possible via config file? 02.38.03 # linuxstb: that helps, thanks 02.38.32 # I'm guessing Llorean was suggesting you create .cfg file with both the recording directory and input in it. So loading that .cfg file will change both settings. 02.38.49 # do the devs need/accept submissions for the manual? i could probably whip up a sansa-tailored version of this radio section pretty quick 02.39.10 # Yes, more people helping with the documentation is always welcome. 02.39.18 # Good night everyone 02.39.25 Quit DerPapst ("So Long And Thanks For All The Fish!") 02.39.46 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.40.24 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF75BD.dip.t-dialin.net) 02.43.32 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 02.47.38 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@71-10-136-117.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) 02.49.39 # iamben: would be nice, I just think the radio chapter would need an overhaul in general (the structure), for example I don't like the way it's repeating "go to x" in several places and imo it's missing some sort of general overview- I started that once but stopped again because I had no idea what would be best to start with :\ 02.50.33 # JdGordon: hello, I have a question about the recording directory patch 02.51.11 # can I send different input recordings to different directories now? 02.52.02 # yes and no 02.52.26 # create multiple .cfgs with the different difrectories and load it before you start 02.54.28 # is htere documentation fo rthis? I've never dealt with cfg files 02.54.45 # (sorry about the spelling... happy hour) 02.56.47 # setup the recording settings the way you want them for one input, then in the rec settings save te config (there is an option there), then fix the settings for the other input and save it as a different file 02.57.36 # then before recording, go into the rec settings and go "browse cfg files" and load the one you want 02.57.38 # Can I configure the input and encoder settings in the cfg file? Or just the directory 02.58.00 # all rec setting are saved int he cfg 02.58.06 # awesome! 02.58.09 # thanks 02.58.17 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c58-109-97-210.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au) 02.58.18 # and only the rec settings if you use the write cfg from the rec menui 02.58.28 # perfect. 02.59.53 Quit hcs ("Leaving.") 03.00.16 # ... occaioannly I'm allowd to commit usefull patches... 03.00.33 # do you need H1x0 testing 03.00.42 Quit iamben (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.01.09 # it was tested on the sansa and ondioFM which are the ones that would give it the most problems... so it should work fine 03.01.18 # alright 03.01.43 # I'll report back if something is awry. 03.01.53 Quit Davide-NYC ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]") 03.02.25 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.07.06 # linuxstb: just reading the logs... I never realised gui_synclist_do_button did a redraw! 03.07.16 # * JdGordon has a few lists to fix I think 03.09.24 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Connection timed out) 03.09.31 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF6D4F.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.10.59 Join chrisjs169_ [0] (n=chrisjs@pool-71-114-123-105.hrbgpa.dsl-w.verizon.net) 03.13.13 Quit thegeek () 03.18.12 Part pixelma 03.24.20 Quit chrisjs169 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.28.42 Join n17ikh|Lappy [0] (n=n17ikh@dial-11.r2.ncbrvr.InfoAve.Net) 03.38.45 Join webguest76 [0] (i=57c2bee4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f8de76c5cfd703f9) 03.39.41 Quit Echelon (Remote closed the connection) 03.40.54 Join Echelon [0] (i=ryan@aramaki.dark-shade.net) 03.44.45 # JdGordon: hmm, it may be just a placebo effect, but it seems like (as i hoped/expected) your menu redraw changes speed up menu scrolling. :) this is indeed true, i hope? 03.44.55 # it should 03.45.01 # 1/3 the screen updates 03.45.03 # especially the root menu, which has always been way slower to scroll in than some other lists. 03.45.54 # according to the logs linuxstb rekons it was doing 3 full screen updates each move instead of the smart rect update, so should be much faster 03.46.18 # ill reneable cpu scaling on the sansa and see if its still unsable at the low speed 03.46.41 # ah - but wait - the smart rect update isn't in SVN, is it? i'm quite sure it isn't.. if you mean simply updating the two lines that are affected each scroll event. 03.47.07 # it is 03.47.20 # Slasheri did that ages ago 03.47.33 # gui_draw_smart (or whatever its called) 03.48.43 # wow, i'm surprised... i remember earhertz made a patch for this ages ago and it really sped up scrolling for me.. i don't ever remember seeing that go into svn or feeling such a large jump in scrolling speed. 03.49.18 # the diffenbach guy did a similar one also which never made it into svn also... 03.49.56 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 03.50.05 # yeah, thomas p. diffenbach (= earhertz, or whatever he's known by now) 03.50.12 # oh ok 03.51.04 # :) sansa is much more usable with low cpu now 03.51.11 # cool :) 03.51.23 # that smart-rect update must have gone in before august 1, 2006? 03.51.30 # *loads the unbelievably long since-2.5 changelog* 03.51.43 # faster way... 03.52.15 # ah, through list.c or something? 03.52.33 # r 12721 03.53.23 # * JdGordon wants to add an icon for cpu boost to the statusbar 03.53.34 # frame dropping and cpu boosting? that doesn't sound like it... 03.53.57 # maybe he didn't mention it in the commit message. 03.54.05 # aah, i see.. 03.54.36 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.54.39 # i wonder if mr. diffenbach did something differently that made it faster for his patch than the SVN code. 03.54.46 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF4ECA.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.54.46 # (the svn code that slasheri wrote) 03.55.00 # he cached the lines didnt he? 03.55.10 # * JdGordon cant actually remember 03.56.05 # no idea, but i just remember being blown away at the speed change.. and i never noticed any major speed changes between regular SVN build updates. 03.58.04 # JdGordon: The menus are still doing a full-screen update, but at least it's only one now... ;) 03.58.23 Join Soap [0] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 03.58.32 # yeah, I can definatly feel the difference at 30mhz on the sansa :) 03.58.33 # JdGordon: Maybe make one for 'debug' builds? 03.58.40 # is that why those smart-rect updates aren't really as efficient as they could be...? :) 03.59.30 # midkay: found his patch, 5591 03.59.30 Quit webguest76 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 04.00.28 # JdGordon: cool, if you're interested in researching go for it.. i hardly feel like digging around to compare the implementations :) 04.00.50 # neither, but you got me interested 04.00.56 # haha. 04.01.01 # (victory!) 04.01.09 # also, the 2 things i thought about coding today are slightly annoying to implement 04.01.22 # code faster list updates! :D 04.01.32 # and will probably get yelled down because they just make life easier.... 04.02.05 # haha. how dare you even consider making life easier...! :) 04.02.06 Quit maffe (Remote closed the connection) 04.02.37 # midkay: He's sour because he proposed adding a customizable menu, and quite a few people didn't want it. 04.02.56 # I thougt about adding to the file browser after a copy/cut 04.03.06 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 04.03.07 # and a proper choose file "widget" 04.03.58 # JdGordon: Regarding your menu fix, I think you broke the "Now Playing/Resume Playback" menu item. I'm sure that it used to change with the playback status, but now it only changes after you move the cursor. I don't know if there are other similar menu items which could be affected. 04.04.24 # Llorean: ah. 04.04.41 # linuxstb: crap, your right 04.04.44 # linuxstb: If it affects tree too, maybe the appearance of the virtual SD card folder? 04.04.51 # JdGordon: I mentioned that in the logs... 04.05.08 # it wont affect the tree... only menus with dynamic names... 04.05.15 # yeah, but im still not fully awake yet 04.05.19 # JdGordon: choose file widget? what do you mean? 04.05.32 # for save as... open file... etc 04.05.47 # usable in plugins and core 04.05.55 Quit n17ikh|Lappy () 04.06.43 # JdGordon: Oh, btw, if you never got an actual measure, it's apparently 438 bytes. 04.06.54 # ok, thanks 04.07.20 # ah.. 04.08.20 # * JdGordon has an idea to fix dnamic names 04.08.31 # JdGordon: Also, those calls gui_synclist_draw were added by you as a bugfix for menu items not scrolling (IIUC). Do they still work? 04.08.45 # yeah, scrolling works 04.11.58 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 04.15.18 Join michieru_ [0] (n=michieru@dsl093-252-010.atl1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 04.17.53 Join safetydan [0] (i=cbca159f@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 04.18.20 # i'm looking forward to trying these menu changes 04.18.24 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.18.37 # JdGordon, I'd support changing cut/copy/paste to be "Copy to..." and "Move to..." menu entries. The only reason I didn't do it that way in the first place was the like of a suitable widget. 04.19.00 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF5016.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.19.48 # Hmmm, how long till rockbox can work on 5th generation iPod's? Or if they plan on being supported. 04.19.53 # safetydan: they actually sound better than adding a dummy item to the tree... should be easy to do once some minor tweaking happens in the tree 04.19.56 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 04.20.03 # linuxstb: fixed the now playing item (about to commit) 04.20.12 # michieru_: Rockbox already works with 5g ipods... 04.20.13 # michieru_: It's worked for about 18 months... 04.20.14 # michieru_: Oh, some nine months ago or so. 04.20.21 # Or apparently longer. 04.20.27 # michieru_: they work...you can see a list of working devices ont he front page 04.20.31 # * Llorean meant 19, really 04.20.32 # Jan 2006 IIRC (or am I going mad...) 04.21.16 Quit jhMikeS ("I friggin' quit") 04.21.17 # Pardon, I actually have a iPod Nano 2nd gen, according to the site it's not supported. 04.21.37 # iPod Nano 2nd gen is not a "5g iPod" 04.21.53 # Then no, there are no real plans for 2nd gen support - it's a completely new device compared to older ipods. 04.22.26 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 04.22.31 # Llorean: My mistake. 04.22.52 # linuxstb: Alright, so it's best to assume rockbox won't be seen on it or ever for a while. 04.23.40 # Thanks anyway. 04.23.53 # A port to the 2nd gen Nano relies on someone cracking Apple's encryption. If that happens tomorrow, then a Rockbox port would very likely be started. But that may never happen. 04.26.19 # a good way to reproduce the skipping problem on the Sansa with scaling is to play a wav file and then scroll a lot 04.26.55 # that said, the wma codec works pretty well, only get ~50% boost which i htink is enough to avoid skipping 04.28.45 Part michieru_ ("Ex-Chat") 04.29.08 # linuxstb: if you're still up, i made some progress on the <32k file issue, converted some tables, and tracked down the current crashes to a problem in how my test program allocates memory 04.29.26 # hopefully i'll start making real progress towards a patch tomorrow 04.30.28 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 04.39.07 Join Shaid` [0] (n=adam@210-84-5-69.dyn.iinet.net.au) 04.42.00 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.42.02 Join perplexity [0] (i=heh22368@dxb-as74784.alshamil.net.ae) 04.42.08 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF7659.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.56.52 # /c/c 04.56.56 Join SchwarzeSchwuler [0] (n=Schwarze@69.74.160.162) 04.56.58 Part SchwarzeSchwuler 04.58.31 Quit Shaid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.58.32 Nick Shaid` is now known as Shaid (n=adam@210-84-5-69.dyn.iinet.net.au) 05.02.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.04.31 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@c-71-205-0-132.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 05.12.30 Quit Psilonaut (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.12.31 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.16.13 Quit DC1 ("$4E75") 05.28.05 Join mike__ [0] (n=chatzill@pool-72-66-105-163.washdc.fios.verizon.net) 05.28.21 # can someone help me encode video for my ipod video? 05.28.58 # I had a .bat file to use with my old iriver h10, but i need a new size one for my ipod, correct? I am using ubuntu linux 05.33.31 # ? 05.34.11 # mike__, have you used winFF as described in the wiki? 05.34.30 # nevermind - just saw ubuntu - .bat lead me to think windows 05.34.58 # yeah.. i was using the bat for windows 05.35.08 # I was hoping I could do somthing similar if not the same here 05.35.27 # winff seems to have .deb packages though.. im looking now 05.36.07 # iPod video: 320x240 05.36.48 # and it must be 10 fps, correct? 05.37.21 # oh and is it mpeg 2 or 4 05.37.32 # can be whatever you want 05.37.40 # ah okay 05.37.58 # but I think you should keep in in integer fractions of original framerate 05.38.11 # take a 24 fps source to 12 or 8 05.38.39 # a 30 fps source to 15 or 10 (or 6) 05.38.48 # Soap: I don't think 8 is a choice, is it? 05.39.00 # it is letting me enter custom values 05.39.05 # that I can't say. 05.39.16 # mike__: mpeg 2 though, 4 won't play in Rockbox 05.39.29 # ffmepg will do non-standard values, as to if it allows totally-wack ones I can't say. 05.39.33 # Soap: I'm pretty sure the valid frame rate choices are 10, 12, 15, 24, 25, 29.97 and 30 05.39.49 Quit perplexity (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05.39.50 # 10, 12, and 15, being the "legal" non-standards. 05.40.01 # * Llorean isn't sure either, though 05.41.38 # I know the other encoders which allow "illegal" framerates take any integer divisor, but they do frame duplication. I still don't fully understand how ffmpeg appears to be the one to do it w/o. 05.42.47 # thanks! 05.42.54 Quit mike__ ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/0000000000]") 05.44.19 # though, I guess on the iPod video stutters from a 24 -> 10 conversion are going to be the least of your stutters. 05.51.24 Quit Bawitdaba (Read error: 111 (Connection refused)) 05.52.27 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 05.55.54 Quit billytwowilly (Remote closed the connection) 05.56.11 Join billytwowilly [0] (n=chris@S0106001346f5afbd.cg.shawcable.net) 05.56.37 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 05.57.33 Join fed [0] (i=4a7b3e0c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4f4b3524ad05bdeb) 05.57.45 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 05.57.52 Join Bawitdaba [0] (n=Sphinx@cpe-72-226-67-164.nycap.res.rr.com) 05.58.07 # Hi, is jhMikeS by any chance? 05.59.38 # I have been working with the recording.c code for a bit, and I am now stuck on something. 06.00.15 # I'd like to change the prerecording time after prerecording has started, but before I start recording. 06.00.24 # Any idea if this is possible? 06.01.13 # I think it needs to be done in mpeg.c or pcm_record.c 06.03.08 Join BigMac [0] (n=mike@c-71-234-95-131.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) 06.08.43 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.08.58 Quit rotator () 06.10.16 # ah fuck! 06.11.37 # oh no! 06.11.53 # (what's wrong?) 06.13.36 # I'll try again later... 06.13.38 Part fed 06.16.26 Quit lazka (Remote closed the connection) 06.17.34 Quit Nibbier (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.18.13 # * JdGordon really shouldnt code before lunch and after midnight :p 06.18.21 Join Nibbier [0] (n=sven@e181087252.adsl.alicedsl.de) 06.23.03 # hey cool... build.rockbox show th local time the build is excepted to finish, not gmt like it used to :D 06.23.42 # And the countdown 06.24.54 # yeah, i noticed the countdown on monday 06.26.05 # last thing it needs is the middle table with the downloads to update automatically 06.26.59 # fed: it's possible, yes 06.29.12 # woops fed, left :p 06.37.49 Quit Soul-Slayer (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.48.39 # anyone want to test a patch to clean up the settings code I want to commit? 06.48.57 # shouldnt be any visible changes, unless there are bugs which I havnt spotted yet.... 06.49.03 # ... which means there probably is bugs... 06.53.00 # sure...any procedure in mind? 06.53.49 # not really... I tihnk the worst bit is that some setting lists might look upsidedown... 06.54.00 # just fixing up the patch to put online 06.54.18 # * JdGordon hoping to save 500 bytes so I can apply 7417 :D 06.54.42 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF4601.dip.t-dialin.net) 06.54.43 # upside down? :) 06.55.07 # the order might be backwards... 06.55.10 # * jhMikeS thinks he can adapt 06.55.25 # btw, inverted lcd and upside down on sansa is cool :) 06.55.30 # Saving 500 bytes doesn't change anything about 7417 06.55.31 # completly unusable though, but cool 06.55.35 # It doesn't magically make it a better use of that space. 06.55.42 # * JdGordon was being funny Llorean 06.55.56 # .. thats what the :D was for... 06.56.08 # Being a happy face, it could also mean "I'm happy about it" 06.56.16 # It's kinda hard to tell. :-P 06.56.17 # It's on! 06.56.18 # Sorry 06.57.06 # In one corner, weighing in at 170 pounds, we have Llorean! 06.57.06 # In the other corner, weighing 165 pounds, we have JdGordon! 06.57.06 # Keep it clean! 06.57.06 DBUG Enqueued KICK conorkirkpatrick 06.57.06 # Fight! 06.57.24 # >_> 06.57.29 # btw, if you keep your jpegs as negatives, invert is surely helpful :) 06.57.43 # 165 punds!! hahahaha... try 110 06.58.36 # http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/settings_changes.diff test please 06.58.51 # and let me know if any gcc warnings comes up... my gcc is fubar 06.59.07 # /* update this to latest version if a change to the api struct breaks 06.59.07 # backwards compatibility (and please take the opportunity to sort in any 06.59.07 # new function which are "waiting" at the end of the function table) */ 06.59.07 # -#define PLUGIN_MIN_API_VERSION 61 06.59.08 *** Alert Mode level 1 06.59.08 # +#define PLUGIN_MIN_API_VERSION 62 06.59.08 *** Alert Mode level 2 06.59.08 # 06.59.10 # /* plugin return codes */ 06.59.12 # enum plugin_status { 06.59.14 # @@ -418,8 +418,6 @@ 06.59.16 # int (*sound_default)(int setting); 06.59.18 # #endif 06.59.20 # void (*sound_set)(int setting, int value); 06.59.21 # um...pastebin that? 06.59.22 # - bool (*set_sound)(const unsigned char * string, 06.59.23 Mode "#rockbox +o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 06.59.24 # - int* variable, int setting); 06.59.26 # int (*sound_min)(int setting); 06.59.28 # int (*sound_max)(int setting); 06.59.30 # #ifndef SIMULATOR 06.59.32 # @@ -509,6 +507,8 @@ 06.59.34 # void (*gui_syncstatusbar_draw)(struct gui_syncstatusbar * bars, bool force_redraw); 06.59.36 # 06.59.38 # /* options */ 06.59.40 # + const struct settings_list* (*find_setting)(void* variable, int *id); 06.59.42 # + bool (*option_screen)(struct settings_list *setting, bool use_temp_var); 06.59.44 # bool (*set_option)(const char* string, void* variable, 06.59.46 # enum optiontype type, const struct opt_items* options, 06.59.47 Mode "#rockbox +b %conorkirkpatrick!*@* " by scorche (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 06.59.50 Part conorkirkpatrick 07.00.07 # sorry...was a bit slow...had to /who =/ 07.00.34 # JdGordon: any player you'd like this tested on in particular? 07.00.45 # its for all, so any 07.01.10 Mode "#rockbox -b %conorkirkpatrick!*@* " by scorche (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 07.01.16 # it saves 300bytes on the h300 which is nice 07.02.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.02.38 # but adds 2K to Ondio (where all the saved bytes go)? :P 07.03.06 # ouch, wtf? 07.03.19 # joking 07.03.25 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 07.03.25 # * JdGordon slaps jhMikeS 07.03.29 Nick __tumu is now known as tumu (n=tumu@dsl-olubrasgw1-ff2bc100-41.dhcp.inet.fi) 07.03.47 Quit Llorean ("Leaving.") 07.04.39 # got a fuzz in option_select.c 07.05.08 # ok, compiling 07.05.22 Join ptw [0] (i=ptw419@216-188-249-122.dyn.grandenetworks.net) 07.05.42 # diff must suck, I did the diff from a up to date svn 07.06.34 # jhMikeS: oh, you know about the ppl complaining about random pixels at te top of the screen on the sansas? 07.06.46 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.06.48 # I just resently started getting them in the BL and they disappear once rb starts 07.07.10 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF4601.dip.t-dialin.net) 07.07.42 # dunno if that will help anyone figure out what the problem is or not 07.09.09 *** Alert Mode OFF 07.09.50 # I get the if I hold a button other than |<< 07.12.16 Join davina [0] (n=dave@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 07.12.36 # * jhMikeS had to do a full rebuild on another source tree ... so just one minute here 07.13.02 # no prob 07.13.21 # so just run around to various menus and settings and check? 07.13.26 Join hw1227 [0] (n=proegssi@ppp-69-214-0-239.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) 07.13.31 # pretty much 07.13.41 # if all is good you shouldnt notice any changes 07.15.54 # I don't get a "Cancelled" now if I don't change the setting. Did that just change? 07.16.12 # didnt we do away with that a while back? 07.16.25 Mode "#rockbox -o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 07.16.25 # * jhMikeS never noticed till now 07.16.55 # yes thats fixed 07.17.32 # you still et cancelled if you do change it and hit left though 07.17.40 # things look good so far 07.18.58 Quit ptw419 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.19.10 # Pardon me if I'm interrupting... Is there any specific level of FLAC compression that is known to work well with the iPod? 07.19.25 # all should be realtime 07.19.47 # * jhMikeS would like a tick next to the currenly selected option though that follows the cursor if the option takes effect upon moving the cursor or stays put if it doesn't. that's probably been debated alot at some point. 07.20.12 # scorche: k, thanks. 07.21.57 # * jhMikeS would also like to do away with that scan-for-presets thing in the FM screen. It doesn't even allow region setting before doing a scan and it's just clumsy imho. 07.22.34 # * jhMikeS speaks of the nag when no presets are loaded 07.22.38 Join RoC_MasterMind [0] (n=Free@c-24-129-94-172.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 07.22.47 # jhMikeS: re the tick, I think its only needed if the setting doesnt take effect immediatly 07.23.00 Quit RoC_MasterMind (Client Quit) 07.23.06 Join RoC_MasterMind [0] (n=Free@c-24-129-94-172.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 07.25.07 # JdGordon: I was just suggesting that it have consistent display for all...it also highlights the fact it's an option even more. 07.26.30 Part hw1227 07.26.46 # the first version of the origional settings change patch (the one where settings_list was introduced) had that tick 07.28.43 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007060115]") 07.31.17 # yay :) moved more misplaced code around and saved another 100 bytes 07.31.19 # why remove it? Actually it makes sense too to keep it on the value it will take if it's cancelled. 07.31.33 # noone liked it... 07.31.43 # it can be easily added later 07.34.01 # I don't see any problems so far with anything :) 07.35.41 Join Guile`` [0] (n=Guile@84.4.29.52) 07.36.10 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.39.36 # ok, here goes.... 07.47.55 # holy crap! green top table! 07.48.36 # hurry JdGordon!...you cant let it be that way for too long! 07.48.53 # its so boring being green though 07.49.00 # * JdGordon wants the xmas lights table back 07.49.57 # * JdGordon also just made the inline settings painfully trivial to implement 07.52.18 Join n17ikh|Lappy [0] (i=n17ikh@207.144.234.182) 07.52.37 Quit Guile` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.52.42 # hi folks, anyone awake? 07.52.46 # I'm having a problem 07.52.51 Join webguest85 [0] (i=cbce2c55@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-139866b48eed1228) 07.52.58 # I just updated rockbox on my iriver H10 20gb 07.53.07 # from a build that was a couple months old, to the latest 07.53.18 # and I noticed it doesn't change color of the icons anymore 07.53.29 # they stay black, which is a problem because I use a black background 07.53.46 # yes....the icons are a bit different now 07.54.02 # is there a way for me to fix this? a bmp file for me to edit? 07.54.23 # or, is it not exactly that simple 07.55.57 Quit webguest85 (Client Quit) 07.56.51 # JdGordon: The original settings patch did *not* have a tick like jhMikeS described 07.57.22 # It had a tick that stayed at the old setting regardless of whether it's a "live" setting or not 07.57.42 # s/old setting/old value/ 07.57.53 # * JdGordon didnt say it was exactly how he suggested 07.58.00 # * JdGordon gone 07.58.53 # is it a known issue? (icons on black background = gone, that is_ 07.59.26 # n17ikh|Lappy: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomIcons 07.59.49 # ah ha 07.59.54 Quit billytwowilly (Remote closed the connection) 08.00.09 Join billytwowilly [0] (n=chris@S0106001346f5afbd.cg.shawcable.net) 08.01.08 Part safetydan 08.05.48 Nick [Sur`DataGhost] is now known as DataGhost (i=dataghos@ip3e832ea5.speed.planet.nl) 08.08.38 # JdGordon: Umm, standard menus are now snappy, but the debug menu is still lagging. Maybe it affects those which use the oldmenu wrapper? 08.14.09 # ah ha, indeed 08.14.09 # hello there lurvely custom icons 08.18.32 # i've successfully printed hello world w/ rockbox on the Gigabeat S 08.18.44 # \o/ 08.18.58 # we have print :) 08.19.16 Nick ptw is now known as ptw419 (i=ptw419@216-188-249-122.dyn.grandenetworks.net) 08.20.41 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 08.21.11 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@cpe-70-113-103-34.austin.res.rr.com) 08.22.41 # has a few bugs, but it prints hello world, then reboots. shouldn't be hard to fix 08.22.53 # * amiconn wonders whether the ipl guys know that they're running the G3 (and perhaps also G1 and G2) ipods at 66MHz only 08.23.24 # amiconn: i believe DerPapst was talking about it earlier 08.24.12 Join lachlan123 [0] (i=cbce4fb9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ea61ec7f1b089a4a) 08.24.39 # Is their irc channel logged? 08.24.49 # not sure 08.25.08 # he was in here for your conversation though 08.25.12 Join lachlan12354 [0] (i=cbce4fb9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e78c47da6e021dbb) 08.25.20 # they didnt say anything important in their channel 08.25.53 # just sort of a "/me is watching an interesting conversation in #rockbox" 08.26.00 # it is logged yes 08.26.05 # but I forget where 08.26.12 Part maffe 08.26.35 # * amiconn used to keep joined to #ipodlinux for a while 08.27.23 # But there never was much conversation, so I stopped again ~2 months ago 08.27.37 # still is like that 08.27.39 # no - it's pretty quiet compared to us rabble ;) 08.28.04 # and practically nothing is ever said in ipodlinux-dev 08.28.17 # I go there to watch the tumbleweed 08.29.12 Quit lachlan123 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 08.30.47 Join Transience [0] (n=Transien@cpe-72-226-77-95.nycap.res.rr.com) 08.32.02 Join entheh [0] (n=purr@88-106-165-92.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 08.33.12 # ptw419: congrats! 08.34.02 # ty markun 08.34.33 # * TiMiD[FD] wants his commit access back 08.34.48 # did you mail the swedes? 08.35.08 # yes I did 08.35.27 # well, bagder was on vacation....i believe he is back now 08.35.42 # I mailed daniel 08.35.58 # I wonder if he was the right person for that 08.36.01 # that would be bagder =) 08.36.06 # ah 08.36.10 # aliask is also working to get an S tree out, and working on a scramble function for the S 08.36.28 # I never knew which one was dan between zagor and bagder 08.36.51 Quit kkurbjun ("Leaving.") 08.37.12 # zagor is bjorn 08.37.30 # their nicks are as explicit as the variables names in the rockbox drivers ^^ 08.38.03 # ptw419: This is great news, I can't wait for a S port. Well done! 08.38.33 # oh I've got a new mail 08.38.40 # maybe ... 08.39.20 # * amiconn points TiMiD[FD] to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcNicks 08.39.46 # ah it was a work mail ... too bad 08.40.06 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 08.40.07 # oh 08.40.29 # never knew that page was there 08.40.44 # I'll add myself if I remember my wiki password 08.41.20 # The page can be found easily... 08.41.34 # but I never searched 08.41.40 # Just 2 clicks from the frontpage 08.42.15 Quit n17ikh|Lappy ("bah") 08.42.50 # I never really knew there was such a page in the wiki so I never searched ... 08.43.33 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.dsl.t-2.net) 08.48.34 # yah added myself 08.48.54 # at least did something useful today 08.50.11 # oh there are other people living in the asian zone ! 08.50.20 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B1486F.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.50.36 # TiMiD[FD]: i heard it was a populous place... 08.51.45 # yes but they cannot speak english so ... 08.52.14 Join perplexity [0] (n=joust@dxb-b124581.alshamil.net.ae) 08.53.05 # then what language are you speaking? 08.53.11 Quit BigMac (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.53.26 # I'm french so I speak french 08.54.17 Join BigMac [0] (n=mike@c-71-234-95-131.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) 08.54.56 # weird - I suddenly understand french! 08.54.56 # but hmm I'm expatriated 08.55.30 # someone should update the Gigabeat S30 thread in the New Ports forum with our good news 08.55.55 # GodEater_: that's because you're on crack ^^ 08.56.13 # o_0 08.57.18 Quit kubiixaka ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 08.59.05 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.02.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.07.53 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.10.34 Join bdgraue [0] (n=bdgraue@dyndsl-085-016-109-012.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 09.12.25 Quit HellDragon (Client Quit) 09.16.28 # done... 09.17.36 # yay 09.18.25 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan_a@217.23.173.156) 09.18.45 Part Transience 09.19.08 # now that the hard part is done we can just sit down and relax until zune-linux cracks the zune security :) 09.21.44 # what? they already have! 09.22.49 # is there a zune wiki? 09.24.01 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjorn@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 09.24.03 # " actually, one of the reasons I want to get Wifi on the iPod is so I can make an MMO on it ::grin::"...i really dont see why these people dont just get a PDA or a small laptop... 09.25.24 Join bluet [0] (n=ms@108.81-167-77.customer.lyse.net) 09.25.32 # what's up with this new main menu thing? 09.26.40 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF6894.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.27.23 # if I wanted to create a Zune wiki for a Zune port, just to start it up, would it go under inactive target? 09.28.42 Quit entheh ("^~") 09.28.52 # you can always be optimistic and put it under New Ports ;) 09.29.31 # the Inactive ones are those that were abandoned 09.29.39 # I see. 09.30.06 # hmm, rockbox and wifi 09.30.17 # but unless custom code can be run on the zune, I don't see the point 09.30.31 # no ones really working on a Zune port that i know of, although it probably would not be very much different from the gigabeat S port if/when the security is cracked 09.31.06 # i think i will just post the info on the forum. I just wanted to post the extracted firmware 09.31.09 # do not expect much (anything?) from those zune-linux guys 09.31.25 # i believe he is well aware =) 09.31.34 # i expect everything from them ;) 09.32.02 # they can't even manage to keep their funny reading material on the net 09.32.03 # they just have this aura of legitness(is that even a word?) about them... 09.32.12 # But they've done so much! They had code running on the Zune, then they didn't, then they set up a forum, then they took it down again... 09.32.16 # maybe hvsc was what made the databse update slow 09.32.53 # well, i think this extracted firmware would help for the right person to come along. 09.33.09 # awww...forum is down?!?! 09.33.16 # for some reason the zune-linux people got this funny idea in their head that the firmware was encrypted... 09.33.17 # bluet: HVSC is far too many songs for inclusion in the database. It might work, but it would take an incredible period of time to build. 09.33.43 # ptw419: what other reason could there be for them not being able to get into it? 09.33.44 # scorche: somebody wanted to help the rest of the world and deleted it ;) 09.34.03 # Llorean: it's done now 09.34.12 # but browsing is a bit tedious 09.34.12 # hashed and signed maybe, but not encrypted... 09.34.33 # scorche: they didn't know what they were doing? 09.34.52 # scorche: or know what the hell they were talking about? 09.35.06 # haha..."I’m incredibly pissed that one of OUR team members would do such a thing"....well.../thats what happens when you give admin status to kids who volunteer!!!/ 09.35.31 # such valuable data that was lost too.. 09.35.39 # rofl 09.36.25 # heh 09.36.39 # Fear not! They're on myspace now, so I'm sure it'll be released in no time 09.39.13 # they really have absolutely no clue...they suggest putting DSL on the zune, "Given the harware detection built into DSL it could work although you would most likely get some kind of X Windows error." 09.39.32 # hahaha 09.40.53 # i found it funny when they were suggesting to run a linux distro build for an x86 machine... 09.41.22 # oh...and of course "they were about to crack the zune, but now all of a sudden the progress is gone!" 09.41.38 # amiconn: For the record, perfcalc is now showing values above 66MHz. Well done :D 09.42.26 # ptw419: oh...the autodetection DSL has would take care of that... 09.42.47 # how would they boot it? 09.43.51 # bluet: when you turn things on, things boot...didnt you know? 09.43.58 # oh, right 09.44.13 # so long as there's enough magic smoke 09.44.13 # just put the zune on top of a dsl cd 09.44.29 # Porting by osmosis? 09.45.10 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust362.winn.cable.ntl.com) 09.45.16 # * jhMikeS needs a guinea pig to test a pcm update (big patch) on a non-sansa portal player target 09.45.23 # i wonder how long deleting hvsc will take 09.45.43 # it took about four hours to transfer 09.46.01 # bluet: I also noticed that rockbox is not very quick with deleting a lot of files 09.46.12 # i'm using ums 09.46.34 # 118 minutes remaining 09.46.40 # 148... 09.47.16 # 196... 09.47.18 # amiconn: yes, there is still an extra list draw in the debug menu lists... 09.47.31 # jhMikeS: ill test on a nano... 09.47.52 # jhMikeS: like a h10? 09.47.56 # an* 09.50.24 # jhMikeS: bah, nano has no batt 09.51.50 # bluet: yeah, that will do 09.52.01 # is it a binary patch? 09.52.07 # JdGordon: no batt or no charge? 09.52.21 # no charge 09.52.32 # bluet: a build? if you need that it's np to whip up. 09.52.46 # that'd be great 09.52.48 # :'( i still get a crach every-so-often going into the file browser with the msd :'( 09.52.54 # i have no compiler her at the moment 09.53.01 # here 09.53.05 # which audio codec has h10? 09.53.12 # hmm 09.53.44 # i don't know 09.54.08 # the gdb stub in rockbox is only for iriver right? 09.54.15 # that's ok...I'll find it real quick 09.54.35 # jhMikeS: do you mean the codecs for decoding files? 09.54.36 # and archos 09.55.47 # bluet: no that hardware...WM8731 I see 09.55.56 # yeah, thought so 09.56.27 # bluet: 5GB or the other? 09.56.38 # 6 GB actually 09.56.49 # but it's the "same" as the 5 GB 09.56.50 # Quick question re autoscore and http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7422. In tagcache.c/tagtree.c we set the score to be autoscore/10 moving it to a range of 0-10. Is this a good idea, or should we leave tags as they are? 09.56.53 # ok 09.56.58 # not the 20 GB 09.57.14 # 6 GB mtp with radio 09.58.07 # updated zune forum if anyone wants to take a look and disassemble the zune firmware files 09.58.14 # all I really need is a quick playback test and a recording test. if things sound fine and it starts/stops/paused ok, all is good. 09.58.21 # pondlife: I think it's intentional that the score is presented as 0-10, I thought that's what was available if you manually scored one in the past? 09.58.33 Quit dan_a (Remote closed the connection) 09.58.44 # Llorean: Ratings go from 0-10, autoscores normally go from 0-100 09.59.19 # That's how the tags normally work anyway... 09.59.27 # "Normally" as in what? 09.59.35 # As in - in the file. 09.59.45 # Allegedly 09.59.55 # I thought the autoscore was simply a parallel to the rating, but created by algorithm instead of manually entered. 10.00.05 # It seems odd we are taking a value from the file and dividing by 10 though. 10.00.26 # Normally we'd just give the user enough rope... 10.00.32 # I thought autoscore was entirely an internal value in the database. 10.00.39 # Not something a user even has access to. 10.00.39 # Nope 10.01.11 # pondlife: tag_virt_autoscore <--- I assume "virt" means "virtual"? 10.01.59 # I don't use the feature, shall I just close the bug as "Not a bug"... 10.02.06 # I'm pretty sure it's not. 10.02.09 # i.e. this is intentional. 10.02.15 # ptw419: can you take a picture of your Gigabeat with "hello world"? 10.02.35 # i can try w/ my camera 10.02.36 # I'd say close it, yes. 10.03.26 # * JdGordon killed the build servers.... 10.03.46 # ptw419: and then post a link on mygigabeat of course :) 10.04.47 # JdGordon: no you didn't ;) 10.05.10 # it was slow however: "the most recent build took 9mins 59secs" 10.05.37 Quit billytwowilly (Remote closed the connection) 10.05.51 # It hasn't picked up JdGordon's last commit though 10.05.53 Join billytwowilly [0] (n=chris@S0106001346f5afbd.cg.shawcable.net) 10.06.06 # front page hasnt 10.06.07 # Oops, yes it has.. 10.06.13 # build.svn as 10.07.12 # bluet: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/MichaelSevakis?rev=1;filename=rockbox-h10-5GB.zip 10.08.07 # what does the rockbox.mi4 file do? 10.08.18 Quit pondlife (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.08.18 # it's the firmware 10.08.30 # ah 10.08.41 # the "kernel"? 10.09.02 # and the rest of the core functionality 10.09.22 # and rockbox.h10? 10.09.26 # batteries are dead for my camera, I will get some tommorow and do it then. 10.09.41 # same thing for older versions? 10.09.49 # i had one in / 10.09.57 # bluet: that's obsolete. everything was renamed *.mi4 for pp 10.09.59 # are there any functions in rockbox to make the font bigger b/c i don't know if my cam has the resolution for the text. its very small 10.10.03 # pp? 10.10.07 # portal player 10.10.20 # ptw419: we just change fonts =/ 10.10.36 # the last time (also the first time) i installed rockbox was last year 10.10.50 # whats a bigger font to use? 10.10.52 # late december 10.11.08 # ptw419: one you like 10.11.25 # ptw419: Most of them have a number in the name. Nimbus19 is quite large. 10.11.27 # I think it's 19 10.11.29 # wow...of course I don't I have a copy of rb more than a few hours old on anything :) 10.11.50 # well, i just updated 10.11.58 # this one is on STYLE_DEFAULT 10.12.01 # * jhMikeS gets the goat ready 10.12.04 # ok 10.12.36 # i'm running the 4:20 build i think 10.12.42 # markun: tommorow i'll run out and get some batteries. my cam also does a little video so if i can figure it out i'll do video as well 10.12.42 # or 5:41 10.14.13 # but its bed time. another day tommorow. 10.14.35 # hey, nvram 10.14.44 Quit ptw419 () 10.15.17 # bluet: so what's it doing? 10.15.44 # * jhMikeS is always impatient 10.15.45 # oh, i'm just backing up my old rockbox dir 10.16.00 # using usb 1.1 10.16.01 # yay 10.17.41 # what is this patch supposed to do? 10.18.46 # aaaand backed up 10.19.02 # some internal stuff with locking the audio interrupts and a cleanup of the pcm layer code (esp. for pp). it should also fix a problem with crashes after recording and other things too numerous to mention. 10.19.38 # what's so special about pp? 10.20.38 # nothing except that it's undocumented hardware and sometimes results aren't so predictable 10.21.15 # the pp5020 that the H10 has has been especially picky I hear 10.21.23 # that sucks 10.21.31 # have you tried to get the docs? 10.21.45 # heh...who doesn't want them 10.22.03 # aaah, committing database 10.23.02 # watch the ears :) I don't know what it's going to do for sure. 10.23.59 # so i'm the first one to try this? 10.24.35 # on not-an-e200, yes 10.24.40 # cool 10.25.18 # it says committing database\n[3/8] 10.25.23 # what are there 8 of? 10.25.31 # files 10.26.48 # it has booted 10.26.53 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.27.16 # no sound 10.27.24 # playback is way too fast 10.27.32 # judging by the counter 10.27.48 # two seconds very second i'd say 10.27.51 # every 10.27.52 # XTerm.cutchars: @,;"'()<>[]{|} 10.27.57 # oops 10.28.08 # Makes sense actually. 10.28.38 # not to be i'm afraid 10.28.48 # hmmm...will it at least stop and pause without a crash? 10.29.14 # pause is good 10.29.32 # hmm, jumped a bit forward when i restarted it 10.30.03 # must be the fading 10.30.11 # stopping worked 10.30.18 # still no crash 10.30.25 # enter recording? 10.31.03 # entered 10.31.13 # the db meter works it seems 10.31.59 Quit ment ("eof") 10.32.05 # ok, so the one change to the pcm size can be held off and the remainder is safe. 10.32.25 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 10.32.46 # should i try to record something? 10.32.58 Join obo [0] (n=obo@host217-41-62-170.in-addr.btopenworld.com) 10.33.07 # sure...even if it's silent it should record silence at least 10.33.27 # there, still working 10.34.01 # thanks 10.34.16 # hmm 10.34.27 # playback of the wav file won't start 10.34.33 # just sits at 0:00 10.34.46 # i think it just crashed 10.34.55 # can you stop it? 10.35.37 # did it actually write a file > 0 bytes? 10.36.02 # yeah 10.36.06 # it said so 10.36.11 # 5 MB 10.36.18 # a little under 30 seconds 10.36.39 # i'll play it on my computer 10.37.02 # so stop did stop the playback stuck at 0:00? 10.37.14 # no 10.37.18 # nothing worked 10.37.26 # not even the off button 10.37.43 # i get sound on the recording 10.38.02 # on the pc, that is 10.38.14 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 10.39.27 Join webguest82 [0] (i=c023111d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-eeafdd73eb523f37) 10.40.08 # so, recording works, playback doesn 10.40.11 # 't 10.41.00 # JdGordon: isn't it about time to convert the debug menu into the new menu system? :) 10.41.01 # hmmm... 10.41.15 # it's been on the old system _forever_ and it's, afaik, the only one left to do... 10.41.18 # jhMikeS: Not all pp targets were changed to .mi4. Only the ones which use .mi4 for their OF 10.41.45 # Ipods are using rockbox.ipod as usual 10.41.46 # amiconn: oh...somehow I get the impression it was all :\ 10.42.34 # It's all targets that use the mi4 format for their native firmware. 10.43.07 # * amiconn spots a modifying echo ;) 10.43.14 Join safetydan [0] (n=dan@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 10.43.24 # :-P 10.43.37 Join kfazz [0] (n=ken@76-203-137-185.lightspeed.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net) 10.44.00 # bluet: willing to try any others changes? Replacing the mi4 file would be enough. 10.44.14 # sure 10.44.18 # * midkay remembers when amiconn did the modifying-echo thing to scorche about a week ago :) 10.44.24 # =) 10.44.59 # four meters of headphone cable ftw 10.45.34 # bluet: so it got stuck only after recording, right? 10.45.45 # not right after recording 10.45.58 # but i tried to play back the recording 10.46.13 # i can try to play it after first recording 10.46.24 # after *not* recording 10.47.28 # I understand. Just playing something sometime after recording something I mean. 10.48.07 # it could be the file 10.49.32 # the database commit code needs some optimization 10.50.08 # only committing every other file would be a good start :p 10.51.34 # the file should be fine if it plays on the computer 10.51.50 # yeah, probably 10.55.22 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p5496446C.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.56.36 # are FS#6896 and FS#7032 dead on the sansa? 10.56.40 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/MichaelSevakis?rev=1;filename=rockbox.mi4 10.57.41 # now to turn off auto updating the db... 10.58.14 # right, i deleted the recordin 10.58.14 # g 10.58.35 # tumu: Well, nobody with the new hardware has figured out the cause of 6896, and the original responder doesn't seem to be responding to 7032 10.58.40 Join toed [0] (i=toad@proxima.lp0.eu) 10.59.28 Quit lachlan12354 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 11.00.18 # well, both are occuring on my e280 11.00.57 # yay, now it doesn't take 10 minutes to turn on 11.01.05 # er, I set my rockbox language to chinese for kicks but it seems that my font didn't have chinese characters and now all the menu entries are empty 11.01.12 # is there a way to get back to english? 11.01.20 # jhMikeS: we have sound 11.01.44 # toed: edit the config file from your pc 11.01.46 # tumu: Feel free to isolate the causes then. 11.01.58 # toed: or reset your settings ;) 11.01.59 # pausing works... 11.02.00 # tumu: Nobody can solve the problems if the problems aren't happening to them. 11.02.07 # bluet: yeah, I switched the sample size back 11.02.07 # petur: how do I do the latter again? 11.02.19 # so it's "stock"? 11.02.26 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@avc146.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 11.02.29 # toed: depends on your player 11.02.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.02.40 # ipod 5g 11.03.13 # Llorean, indeed.. for 7032, i think .spc files did have issues 11.03.17 # toed: I think it was fiddling with the hold switch while rockbox is booting... Llorean? 11.03.31 # hmm, the playback stopped a little 11.03.44 # for a split second 11.03.46 # Llorean, removed them for now, have to test again 11.04.17 # toed: Yes, after the Apple logo has been on screen a short time (when you turn on the player), turn on the hold switch, and it should cause the settings to reset. 11.07.19 # great, thanks 11.07.56 # bluet: just once? 11.08.37 Quit FOAD ("I'll be back") 11.08.42 # jhMikeS: so far, yes 11.10.21 # midkay: the debug menu wont be converted... not worth the effort 11.10.28 # it will add heaps to the bin size 11.10.33 # and it a massive PITA 11.10.51 # JdGordon: i see... 11.10.51 # Llorean, yes, uploading bunch of .spc files messes up the database init/update 11.12.09 # amiconn: if i can be bothererd im going to convert the mmc/sd card debug screen to a list today or tomorow, should i only do it for sansa? or for ondio also? bearing in mind it will prob be red delta 11.12.14 # Llorean, needs few db inits and reboots to succeed 11.15.09 # bluet: does it now pick up again after recording? 11.15.47 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 11.18.29 # bluebrother: I bet that's what the guy in the forum already does... how else would he be able to switch between builds that have problems... 11.19.59 Join lachlan12354 [0] (i=cbce4fb9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0c62f762ef272751) 11.20.46 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 11.20.57 # amiconn: #ipodlinux is logged here - http://rainstorm.org/ipod/stats/ 11.24.11 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@62.1.173.210) 11.24.29 Quit lachlan12354 (Client Quit) 11.25.05 Join Entasis [0] (n=Jarred@ppp121-45-166-156.lns11.adl2.internode.on.net) 11.27.45 # GodEater and GodEater_ : Either of you around? 11.30.25 Join Wiwie [0] (n=goddi@vpnsh0052.fh-trier.de) 11.35.27 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host217-203-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 11.35.47 # linuxstb: Wow, what timezone is that server in?? 11.36.10 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@host.91-92-172-170.airbites.bg) 11.38.57 # The logfile date seems to be one day ahead... 11.40.10 Join [IDC]Dragon [0] (i=c19e01ec@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7af59a7a1b14453c) 11.41.07 # * [IDC]Dragon just looked at the build table 11.41.42 # <[IDC]Dragon> is it broken, or can that be reallly so green? 11.42.01 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 11.42.26 # [IDC]Dragon: i think JdGordon is on a new diet 11.42.44 # amiconn: no I think it is saved on the current day but actually contains the log of yesterday 11.42.53 # ie saved on 00:00 today 11.43.14 # if only the delta chart was that green... 11.43.21 # <[IDC]Dragon> haha 11.43.45 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust362.winn.cable.ntl.com) 11.45.16 # scorche: There would be nothing left of Rockbox if the delta chart was that green... 11.46.00 # <[IDC]Dragon> saving 20 bytes each day won't harm 11.46.03 # linuxstb: it doesnt take much to go green, and the chart isnt too big 11.46.57 # I'd be interested in seeing the long term trend as a nice graph or similar 11.47.07 # [IDC]Dragon: even then it wouldnt be enough for rombox though =/ 11.47.44 # <[IDC]Dragon> sniff 11.48.11 # * [IDC]Dragon still dreams about a 4KiB bootloader 11.48.22 Quit SirFunk (Connection timed out) 11.49.19 # <[IDC]Dragon> I've seen Atmel bootloaders in 2 KiB which read from a SD card, with FAT file system and all 11.49.25 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@cpe-74-71-205-222.twcny.res.rr.com) 11.49.35 # safetydan: http://www.ohloh.net/projects/3978/analyses/41587;codehistory?project_id=3978&action=show&id=latest&controller=analyses&height=190&width=500 11.50.16 # scorche, not binary size, but interesting enough 11.50.25 # * scorche nods 11.50.27 # <[IDC]Dragon> (did I tell my Archos has 512 KiB flash?) 11.50.28 # It's pretty obvious from the graph when software codec went in 11.53.11 # * amiconn suddenly wants a PP5020 target and a PP5002 target for himself 11.53.16 # [IDC]Dragon: you still working on the loader for the rcorder? 11.53.29 # <[IDC]Dragon> no, I didn't start 11.53.43 # <[IDC]Dragon> there's a ton of things first 11.53.57 # amiconn: i can get a mini 1g fairly cheap if you wanna pay for it and postage... 11.53.58 # * jhMikeS 's tester ran away as usual 11.54.13 # I'd rather want a H10 11.54.35 # <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: why "suddenly"? 11.55.09 Join thegeek [0] (i=thegeek@ti521110a080-2309.bb.online.no) 11.55.15 # <[IDC]Dragon> afk, lunch 11.55.20 # amiconn: did you see my msg from about 40min ago? no answer is dont care? or go for it? 11.56.08 # [IDC]Dragon: Since I started diving into OF disassemblies, trying to RE stuff 11.56.30 # JdGordon: I'd like to know the delta first, and see how it looks 11.56.34 # amiconn: there were quite a few refurbished H10s sold on woot a bit ago for around 130USD 11.57.42 Quit spiorf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.57.57 # h10's seem to go for about $150 AUD 11.58.17 # so about the same 11.58.31 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host217-203-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 12.00.20 # 1) collect underpants 2) ?? 3) playback engine rework ... hard to get people to help with 1). 12.00.58 # 4) profit? 12.01.10 Part maffe 12.01.11 # jhMikeS: well, if you washed them more often... 12.01.12 Part toed 12.01.23 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 12.01.57 # ah...but the low level stuff is so dirty 12.02.05 # caked? 12.02.08 Part maffe 12.02.11 Quit XavierGr () 12.02.19 # caked with pp goo 12.02.30 # =/ 12.03.00 # let's keep this channel G-rated, please! 12.03.07 # ^^ 12.03.11 Quit desowin (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12.03.57 # * scorche throws up a few ponies and unicorns to comply with the G rating requirements 12.03.57 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@62.1.173.210) 12.04.14 # eek..."throws up" gave the wrong intentions... 12.04.22 # Wooh, ponies. Can I add kittens to the mix? 12.04.28 # * scorche adds "on the walls" 12.04.35 # about spells it out though 12.04.48 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 12.04.59 # * jhMikeS wonders about scorche's favorite foods 12.05.12 # just keep your "pp goo" out of this and it'll be fine. 12.05.31 # fine: portal player goo :) 12.05.46 # jhMikeS: carne asada tacos and a lot of different japanese food =) 12.05.58 # jhMikeS: this isn't the place for that..! 12.06.05 # sure it's not carne de caballo? 12.06.30 # * scorche looks that up 12.07.00 # never had horsemeat.... 12.07.21 # * petur spots a whole page of the log to add to GoldenQuotes :p 12.08.36 # petur: i am been procrastinating, but i am planning on putting up a QDB for this channel so we can put stuff there that we wouldnt put on GQ =P 12.08.48 # i am been bad english... 12.09.30 # amiconn: what do you think about http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/debug_lists.diff its not the nicest way to do it, but it works.... 12.09.38 # very small green delta on h300 also 12.10.32 # thats dircache, tagcahce and fm 12.11.42 # * JdGordon trying to get through a few patches from ages ago beforre uni starts again 12.13.42 # * jhMikeS is getting the "put it in svn and let them report" urge that often results in faster "refinement". 12.18.37 # bugger it... can someone check the sh bin delta with the above patch please? 12.20.01 # * jhMikeS can 12.20.14 # * JdGordon back in 45min.. no rush 12.23.41 Quit billytwowilly (Remote closed the connection) 12.24.01 Join billytwowilly [0] (n=chris@S0106001346f5afbd.cg.shawcable.net) 12.25.24 Join webguest84 [0] (i=52870a55@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f3e384183dbd08fb) 12.26.00 # *grrr* Seems auto-update destroyed my PortableFirefox installation :( 12.26.39 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@avc146.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 12.28.02 Quit perplexity (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.29.09 Quit lee-qid (Connection timed out) 12.31.15 Part maffe 12.32.09 Quit Wiwie ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 12.33.48 # JdGordon: My build for player was +484 12.34.41 # it seems the pluginmpegplayer wikipage has broken mencoder command line 12.35.04 # well, it is a wiki... 12.35.15 # well, i don't have an account... 12.36.15 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484BA9A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 12.36.23 # JdGordon: I'd be interested in a *Nano* 1g, not a mini... do you have any of those lying around cheap?? 12.38.05 # tumu: what's wrong with it? 12.38.33 # redundant -zoom and missing - before vf 12.39.10 # tho the latter scale=.. could be merged with the former one as well 12.39.38 # tumu: yes, I see it 12.39.43 # I wonder who wrote that line.. 12.40.01 # markun: well, it is a wiki =P 12.41.34 Quit webguest84 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 12.41.59 # might want to remove the -zoom from the options help above 12.42.58 # tumu: just create an account man :) 12.43.05 # never :) 12.43.11 # i hate forced accounts 12.44.03 # tumu: maybe you can write all your wiki problems in a mail and send it to to rockbox mailing list for someone to look at then :) 12.44.52 # maybe when i gather enough of them :) 12.45.05 # I'm also not crazy about forced accounts 12.45.31 # but it's nice to see who fucked up a wiki page 12.46.34 # tumu: If you can stop anyone from ever using exploits to damage our wiki, and all intentional vandalism, I'm sure the forced account rule can be lifted. 12.47.40 # i doubt forced accounts stop vandalism given enough effort.. 12.48.21 # They do reduce significantly drive-by spam though. 12.48.49 # Saying "You can't prevent all wrongdoing so why try to prevent any" is kinda silly. 12.49.02 # i didn't say that 12.51.02 # markun: Interesting thing...after adding timer to gigabeat I found the lcd refresh to be 61.1Hz on my unit using test_scanrate. 12.53.24 Quit crashmatrix (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12.53.54 # * [IDC]Dragon just watched "iPhone: will it blend?" 12.54.17 # <[IDC]Dragon> they alse ran an iPod through the mixer 12.54.25 # <[IDC]Dragon> also 12.56.30 Join crashmatrix [0] (n=crashmat@s5590785f.adsl.wanadoo.nl) 13.00.08 # jhMikeS: that's interesting yes, maybe I made a mistake in my calculation 13.00.16 # markun, also the vb_strategy should be set to 0 to force max bframe usage and vmax_b_frames to 4 as it is the max amount allowed 13.01.29 # tumu: aha, why are you telling me? :) 13.01.43 # because you have wiki account and are eager to edit? :) 13.02.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.04.25 Join Wiwie [0] (n=goddi@vpnsh0236.fh-trier.de) 13.07.12 # * amiconn wonders why pondlife would prefer a nano 13.07.36 # They're fingerprint collectors like all ipods except the minis and the nano G2 13.08.58 # after a few fingerprints get on it, fingerprints dont matter as much =/ 13.09.40 # Actually I'll probably go for a Sansa, but tiny size is most important 13.09.58 # nanos are handy lil buggers 13.11.01 # sansa makes plently of fingerprints...my hands even changed the color of the anodizing 13.14.01 # cool, videos work on sansa 13.17.08 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 13.17.24 Join HellDragon [0] (n=JD@unaffiliated/helldragon) 13.17.59 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 13.21.31 # markun: something struck me about the high current after boot on gigabeat. I also see exactly the same reading a second or two before the disk spins down after having played. I'm not sure if it means a darn thing atm. 13.22.36 # Does rockbox have an equivalent to ftell()? 13.23.26 Join spiorf_ [0] (n=spiorf@host20-217-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 13.27.13 # <[IDC]Dragon> safetydan: I think fseek(CUR) will tell you 13.27.14 # lseek(fd, 0, SEEK_CUR) is all I came up with when I needed it (ftell returns filepos, right?) 13.27.51 # jhMikeS, that should do it. Should have thought of it myself. 13.27.52 # Cheers 13.31.52 Quit Wiwie (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 13.42.29 Join jurrie [0] (n=jurrie@adsl-068-209-041-021.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) 13.43.37 Join perplexity [0] (i=heh8011@dxb-as74784.alshamil.net.ae) 13.43.43 Quit webguest82 ("CGI:IRC") 13.44.27 Quit spiorf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.44.34 Nick spiorf_ is now known as spiorf (n=spiorf@host20-217-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 13.51.39 Join webguest27 [0] (i=c023111d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-58adbfe8dc3ef013) 13.53.38 Quit safetydan ("Ex-Chat") 13.54.45 # jhMikeS: ok thanks 13.54.55 # pondlife: ill keep an eye out on the forums i frequent 13.55.39 # Like I said, a Sansa is looking more likely to be my choice, but I'd be interested if any turned up at a low price. 13.56.02 # i hate the nano 13.56.05 # screen is too small 13.56.15 # te only thing it has is the crazy thinness 13.56.21 # Basically in order, what I need is - tiny, runs Rockbox, 2-4GB, easy controls 13.56.41 # price 13.57.09 # e260 is probably winning 13.57.42 # e250 is $210 which seems a bit high 13.59.33 # e260 is £75 in the UK 13.59.41 # including delivery 14.00.25 # about the same price 14.00.50 # £177 AUD 14.00.54 # $ I mean 14.01.13 # 75*3 ~= 210 14.01.22 # obviously my dollar comparison is a bit off :p 14.01.35 # 1 GBP = 2.36 AUD apparently 14.02.05 # it used to be clsoer to 3... 14.02.14 # * jhMikeS finally gets the stupid idea to make phony plastic SD card to lick the problem of sansas with the stuck GPIO_A bit 7 :\ 14.02.37 # * JdGordon wonders who you go about making a phony card 14.02.50 # how phony? 14.03.17 # ummm...I should have a piece of plastic as thick as an SD card around here. I'll just shape it like one and plug it in the slot. 14.03.18 # maybe we should have a button check to disable sd access? 14.03.47 # a setting! a setting! a setting! :p 14.03.54 # I think rockbox has to behave well under the circumstances. The OF has no trouble with it. 14.04.22 # of course maybe that divide by zero in fat.c was the reason 14.04.31 # can it be disabled if we get no data from the chip instead of hanging/panicing 14.04.52 # * JdGordon off to the pub 14.06.39 Quit _Veseliq_ (Remote closed the connection) 14.06.53 # it shouldn't hang because it _should_ timeout in which case it should panic but it isn't in that case 14.11.23 # * jhMikeS find a paper gum wrapper suffices 14.12.12 # it hangs allright 14.14.45 Join ptw419 [0] (i=ptw419@216-188-249-122.dyn.grandenetworks.net) 14.16.29 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@host.91-92-172-170.airbites.bg) 14.21.14 Quit desowin (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14.23.22 Quit bospaadje ("great minds run in great circles") 14.29.43 Quit hcs ("Leaving.") 14.36.06 Quit Jon-Kha (Remote closed the connection) 14.37.15 Quit webguest27 ("CGI:IRC") 14.40.19 Quit _Veseliq_ (Remote closed the connection) 14.43.07 # * pondlife laughs at http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=11366... 14.43.55 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c58-109-97-210.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au) 14.48.16 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 14.49.53 Quit billytwowilly (Remote closed the connection) 14.50.01 # elitist gadget hacker :) 14.50.09 Join billytwowilly [0] (n=chris@S0106001346f5afbd.cg.shawcable.net) 14.52.10 # " it shouldn't hang because it _should_ timeout in which case it should panic but it isn't in that case" <- It does time out, but it takes a few hours 14.53.22 # chrisjs169: right. it should whine about it alot sooner than hours. at least I found a simple way to make mine do it though. 14.53.53 # yours is now hanging? 14.54.13 # I put a piece of gum wrapper in the slot to imitate the stuck switch 14.55.11 # wow 14.55.29 # and you're sure you can fix it after you're done? 14.56.15 Quit [IDC]Dragon ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 14.57.13 # I think alot of timeouts in there are too long for the udelay 14.57.54 # fix what? I just pull the gum wrapper out. :) 14.58.55 # the fact that you put "gum" in there made it sound like a sticky problem 15.00.09 # lol 15.01.54 # just the wrapper...no gum...I chewed that all by myself 15.02.09 # wow =P 15.02.27 # Also, I noticed a bug a few weeks ago that apparently some are still having 15.02.34 # sitting down of course...don't want any mishaps 15.02.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.03.15 # sometimes it seems like Rockbox doesn't read the battery level properly, saying 0% with a few hundred thousand hours of run time left 15.05.00 # yes, battery life has improved somewhat 15.07.14 # yes, but it's reading something completely inaccurate (eg. OF says battery is 75% full, Rockbox says it's 0% with 325204 hours and 52 minutes of run time left) 15.07.20 Join bordy [0] (n=bordy@153-161.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com) 15.08.03 # which, according to two people on ABi, has caused Divide by 0 errors 15.08.31 # heyo folks. If I were to put rockbox on my 6th gen 30 gig ipod and it didnt work out, could I reset it to the default? 15.11.05 # oh nm, I found the answer 15.11.07 # sorry to bother ya 15.12.00 # chrisjs169_: I haven't seen it myself. I'm just guessing but could be a problem reading the ADC. Perhaps the time would also show incorrectly. 15.13.08 # jhMikeS: I'm not sure about the time, but I don't know of any way to reproduce the error 15.13.54 Quit thegeek (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.14.57 Join rogelio [0] (n=rogelio@189.146.222.125) 15.17.58 # jhMikeS: the sh test you did.. it was the player right? is tagcache enabled for it? 15.18.19 Part bordy 15.19.19 # JdGordon: it seems so 15.19.24 Join Nick_Brackley [0] (i=3aa67da1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-efb84ca39ea5d63e) 15.19.54 # ok, then i found where tthe 500bytes comes from.. the tagcache debug menu was only for bmplcd for some reason 15.20.03 # couuld you check on a rec please? 15.20.17 # sure 15.20.29 # cheers 15.24.25 # has anyone experienced problems using the current database? 15.24.36 # (tagcache) 15.25.57 # JdGordon: -32 bytes 15.26.02 # great 15.26.04 # thanks 15.31.06 # Nick_Brackley: What sort of problems? 15.34.01 # sorry for the lack of clarity. The database will initialize and on restart it only gets to 1 out of 8 on commiting it. Going to the database menu asks to initialize agian. The target is an iriver h300 using current svn 13852 15.35.16 # Hmm, maybe delete *.tcd from your H300 and and do a CHKDSK /F ? 15.35.21 Join Naked [0] (i=naked@naked.iki.fi) 15.35.34 Nick Naked is now known as Hadaka (i=naked@naked.iki.fi) 15.35.58 # I've not updated my build today (yet), but I initialised 2 days ago, and I don't see any relevant mods. 15.36.34 # have done both several times, the bug has been in svn for at least a few days as i have had this problem using the latest build for the last couple of days 15.36.55 # which player do you have? 15.36.58 # H340 15.37.30 # So you can't even start up Rockbox now? 15.37.56 # i can use rockbox with no issues, i just cannot use the database 15.38.29 # So when you restart it displays step 1 of 8, then goes through to the menu without steps 2-8, right? 15.38.46 # correct 15.39.23 # What do you see if you go into System > Debug > View database info ? 15.40.29 # * JdGordon suggsest updating to the very latest build to make that screen look nicer 15.40.52 # Ah, I might have to, to understand Nick's report :) 15.41.24 # Initialized: Yes, DB Ready: No, RAM Cache: No, RAM: 0/0 B, Progress: 0% (0 entries), Commit step: 0, Commit delayed: No 15.41.42 # Mine (old format) says Yes-Yes-Yes-1057752/1090904-0% (0)-0-No 15.42.03 # OK so I have mine in RAM, you don't. 15.42.18 # Maybe configure yours to be in RAM? 15.42.20 # i have it set to use ram 15.42.37 # i have tried both, to no avail 15.42.48 Quit Nick_Brackley ("CGI:IRC") 15.43.14 Join Nick_Brackley [0] (i=3aa67da1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c56cc6ba29eb158a) 15.43.17 # I have "Load to RAM: Yes" and "Auto Update: No" 15.43.35 # i have tried with those settings and it still failed 15.43.59 # Have you got much free space left on your HD? 15.44.53 # 4.25GB free 15.45.10 # Loads... 15.45.18 # I've got 3MB free! 15.45.34 # all music? 15.45.42 # What happens if you go into the Initialise now option, then back into the Debug screen? 15.45.53 # Does it count up, or just sit there at 0/0 ? 15.45.58 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 15.46.04 # it counts 15.46.22 # although if i try it after i reboot it sits at 0/0 15.46.30 # has there been any big change in codecs lately? my gbs test isn't working anymore (not even hitting metadata.c) 15.46.35 # OK, and at the end, does it say Commit delayed: Yes, or does it count through commit steps then 15.46.51 # Ah - have you enabled dircache too? 15.47.03 # unless i delete the .tcd files 15.47.23 # it says commit delayed: yes 15.47.35 # i have dircache enabled 15.48.07 # I'll update to the current build and give it a go. Perhaps you could pop a report on Flyspray and attach your config.cfg? 15.49.13 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 15.49.20 Part kaaloo 15.49.20 # i have already put a report on flyspray, is it possible to edit and attach config.cfg 15.49.38 # Just add a new comment and attach there. 15.49.43 # What's the number? 15.50.44 # 7424 15.54.31 # ok i added the file 15.55.27 Quit SirFunk (Connection timed out) 15.55.51 # i recently backed up my pc to my player, is it possible that all these new files/file types have contributed to this, i am willing to remove them for debuging purposes 15.57.16 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 16.01.03 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 16.01.21 # Nick_Brackley: Might be easier to do a downgrade to the oldest daily build and see if that helps. 16.01.21 Quit Nick_Brackley ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 16.01.23 Join Nick_Brackley_1 [0] (i=3aa67da1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5a7464bdd88ae9f8) 16.01.55 # Will try your config and do a re-init now. 16.02.08 # ok 16.05.17 # Nice background colour by the way... :) 16.06.11 # lol keeping it simple 16.06.48 # OK, I deleted my own *.tcd, then loaded your config, shut down and restarted clean. Now I've gone into Database and it's counting up. On about 4000/20000 at the moment. 16.07.15 # ok 16.08.34 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF6894.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.09.58 # Right, commiting database 16.10.05 # aha, it's a bug with the id3.c entry for WMA 16.10.07 # 2/8 16.10.17 # 7/8 16.10.39 # needs a double null terminator 16.10.45 # should I go ahead and fix that? 16.10.55 # Yes 16.11.15 # 'k, we'll see if I remember my password 16.11.15 # Nick_Brackley_1: OK, I'm in, no reboot needed 16.11.30 Quit ptw419 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.11.40 # so the database works? 16.12.00 # Nick_Brackley_1: Yes, fine. I only have MP3s though... 16.12.05 # What formats do you use? 16.12.56 # (I'll try a reboot, and make sure it still works) 16.13.39 # all mp3's although as i recently backed up there is mp4 video, wmv, wma, avi, ogg on the player 16.13.40 Join obo_ [0] (n=obo@host217-41-62-170.in-addr.btopenworld.com) 16.14.00 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@p54BD3641.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 16.14.05 # I wonder if the problem that hcs just found is also causing this? 16.14.21 # what was his problem? 16.14.21 # i have no porblems on my ipod 16.14.29 # including the gbs patch 16.14.32 # WMA id3 parsing is slightly wrong 16.14.39 # ok 16.14.56 # boo bad it isn't realtime yet :P 16.15.23 # is it possible to play .wma in rockbox yet? i noticed the codec files.... 16.15.30 # s/boo/too 16.15.35 # yes 16.15.58 # i have tried on various wma with todays svn and all recieve an error 16.15.59 # i even have some on my iPod... 16.16.01 # * DerPapst hides 16.16.15 # DerPapst: Are you sure? I've heard 128k files are up to about 120% realtime on CF now.. 16.16.27 # * pondlife goes looking for one 16.16.49 # sure about what? that rockbox plays wma? 16.17.12 # yes i'm pretty sure about that ;) 16.17.17 # yes, it just skips to the next file, and if i view the playlist it has (err) infront of the file 16.18.08 # works fine on the sim here too... odd. 16.19.34 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3017.gwdg.de) 16.19.54 # i have been trying to play them for a couple of days and all have returned the same error 16.19.58 # ok, it's up, I fear there will be a +1 byte cost, though... 16.20.15 # DerPapst: You said it was a pity it wasn't realtime yet.. 16.20.22 # ... but it is (allegedly). 16.20.29 # * DerPapst was talking about gbs :D 16.20.37 # Ah, sorry! 16.20.45 # np ;) 16.21.04 # DerPapst: if you didn't put the gbs entry after the wma one you won't notice the issue 16.21.31 # is a dev who uses the random folder feature here? 16.22.27 # had to manually patch id3.c and and one .h file (don't remember) and i also don't remember the order of the entries ;) 16.23.06 # DerPapst: yeah, the patch had gone out of sync, so your decision there would have affected the outcome 16.24.04 # heh.. lucky me :P 16.24.46 # i'm pretty sure i put the gbs entry before the wma one ;) 16.27.11 Quit obo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.29.23 # hm, guess it cost a few more due to alignment... odd that the ondio went down, though 16.30.12 Quit Nick_Brackley_1 ("CGI:IRC") 16.30.17 Join Nick_Brackley_1 [0] (i=3aa67da1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-59e5fd59f9c0788d) 16.30.26 # just noise, I guess. ah well, time to run to work (this took longer than "apply the patch" which I had planned on...) 16.31.38 Join toed [0] (i=toad@proxima.lp0.eu) 16.31.44 Nick obo_ is now known as obo (n=obo@host217-41-62-170.in-addr.btopenworld.com) 16.32.09 # is there a way to go below the minimum volume? if I go below -57db on my ipod the sound cuts out, but it's still too loud at -57 :/ 16.32.51 # toed: it's possible in software 16.32.56 # one moment 16.33.34 # toed: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch6.html#x9-1000006.8 16.33.50 # you could enable the equalizer and then set the 'precut' 16.34.33 # I'll give that a try 16.35.11 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@admin-147-222.potsdam.edu) 16.35.58 # that did the trick, thanks 16.36.05 # no problem 16.36.21 # but enabling the software EQ will reduce the runtime a bit 16.36.21 # on mine sound is still clearly audible at -58db (the minimum which makes it show a mute icon) 16.37.01 # ah, seems to be due to a positive treble setting 16.37.32 # what do you mean by runtime? 16.39.06 # toed: the time you can play music before you have to recharge 16.40.06 # ah 16.40.34 # markun: do you really think there is a noticeable change in runtime if you only change the precut? 16.41.21 # PaulJam: well, it's and extra multiply for every sample, but I don't know for sure if it's noticeable 16.41.32 # s/and/an/ 16.43.20 Join low_light [0] (i=c730190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-754a2b4c4950be74) 16.44.16 # btw, that reminds me of something i wanted to ask: wouldnt it make more sense if the pregain setting for replaygain would only affet files that do NOT have replaygain tags? 16.48.04 # is it too early to start a countdown to devconpub ? ;) 16.49.59 # Can someone answer an arm asm question? I'm disassembling. 16.50.21 # pondlife: my few WMAs (all 128kbps) play at slightly over 140% runtime 16.50.30 # on M5 16.52.43 # pixelma: runtime or real-time? 16.53.13 Join Wiwie [0] (n=goddi@p5B09C736.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 16.53.18 # heh - realtime, of course :/ 16.54.42 # Hmm, I made my own WMA and it seems to lock the player... and not play in the sim :/ 16.54.49 Part toed 16.55.01 # Could I have accidentally DRMed it? 16.55.11 Quit low_light ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 16.55.24 # * pondlife hunts for a pin 16.56.01 # that brings back many memories..... 16.56.19 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.56.21 # Yep, first pin I've needed in quite a while 16.56.21 # hahaha 16.56.26 # accidentally DRM'd 16.56.29 # that's a good one 16.56.49 # Anyone fancy trying the file? saratoga? linuxstb? 16.57.07 # i will 16.57.18 # if i can get wma to play at all that is 16.57.33 # Probably best if a WMA/ASF dev looks at it... 16.57.37 # No offence intended :) 16.57.50 # sorry, new here and very eager 16.58.18 # Good! 16.58.27 # Codec is reported as "Windows Media Audio 9 Professional 128 kbps, 44 kHz, 2 channel 24 bit 1-pass CBR" 16.58.35 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF72AF.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.58.45 Join low_light [0] (i=c730190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-afcf30782288a25d) 16.58.47 # Anyone know what bit of that isn't supported? 16.59.08 Nick chrisjs169_ is now known as chrisjs169 (n=chrisjs@pool-71-114-123-105.hrbgpa.dsl-w.verizon.net) 16.59.36 # File is at http://pondlife.homeip.net/images/ITSD128.wma if that helps. 17.00.08 Quit chrisjs169 (Nick collision from services.) 17.00.23 Join chrisjs169 [0] (n=chrisjs@71.114.123.105) 17.01.38 # isn't wma pro something different from wma? 17.01.56 Quit Nick_Brackley_1 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.02.00 Join Nick_Brackley [0] (i=3aa67da1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9e82dfc5971341ac) 17.02.16 # PaulJam: No idea, I just did the n00b thing and went with the defaults. 17.02.36 # I'll try a WMA amateur encoding instead ;) 17.02.46 # Does RBUtil handle H1x0 installs ? 17.02.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.04.30 # can someone help me understand this simple (?) asm block. I don't understand what the first 2 shifts accomplish: http://rafb.net/p/hC2hC388.html 17.04.30 Nick chrisjs169 is now known as chrisjs169|bbl (n=chrisjs@unaffiliated/chrisjs169) 17.08.17 # say, is it possible to crack open 1st gen nano and add/replace the memory chips within? I'd assume yes, but where are the limits? 17.09.01 # assuming you could get the exact chips required in any given size, how much would the hardware support, and how much would rb/apple sw support 17.09.11 Join Nick_Brackley_1 [0] (i=3aa67da1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-aa4547493e47f625) 17.11.58 Quit Nick_Brackley ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 17.12.35 Part Nick_Brackley_1 17.12.59 Join Nick_Brackley [0] (i=3aa67da1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-81e18c03d885ac9b) 17.15.21 # OK, the WMA-non-pro version works on both sim and H340. 17.15.55 # is it possible to get your test file? 17.16.50 # The one that doesn't work? 17.16.58 # Yes, it's on the llink above 17.17.02 # link, eveb 17.17.06 # even, even :) 17.17.29 # the one that does work, so far i cant get any wma to play, just want a known working file 17.17.36 # OK, hang on a mo 17.18.38 # Nick_Brackley: if you have a standard windows installation, there are maybe some wmas that should work in the "my music" folder. 17.18.53 # Or try http://pondlife.homeip.net/images/ITSD128Good.wma - but ignore the "singing". 17.18.56 # only linux sorry 17.19.30 # lol no problem 17.20.01 # why won't it work. 17.20.04 # i want to hear the singing! 17.20.04 # Rockboxed.wps needs an update for WMA though. 17.20.25 # Probably my 128k connection 17.20.28 # ok i will use the default until then 17.20.30 # And a 2MB file 17.20.38 # pondlife: is it your singing voice? 17.20.49 # Yes, kind of. 17.21.01 # seriously, it's YOU? *ecstatic* 17.21.09 # HTTP 403.9 - Access Forbidden: Too many users are connected 17.21.09 # i cant access the file 17.21.09 # Internet Information Services 17.21.10 # haha 17.21.16 # a mad rush to hear pondlife singing 17.21.26 # Yes, I'm only allowing 2 connections 17.21.36 # ok 17.21.36 # At 128k you can't be too fussy. 17.21.48 # Nick_Brackley: Did you get a copy? 17.21.58 # nope 17.22.25 # Suppose I could pop it on your FS report, but that's getting a bit egomaniacal. 17.22.30 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.22.51 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF54C7.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.22.54 # pondlife: is not! everyone wants to hear this. 17.22.56 # lol u know u want to..... 17.23.02 # if you put it up on the FS, we could link it in the topic even! 17.23.22 # in fact, it's going in the topic as soon as i manage to get a copy of it. i'll put it on my own webspace if necessary. :D 17.23.33 # No... I can't justify the waste of Rockbox expensive bandwidth... 17.23.44 # haha. 17.23.44 # midkay: Please no 17.23.50 # just kidding. :) 17.23.52 # fair enough i suppose 17.24.02 # * pondlife sweats profusely 17.24.03 # i'd like to hear it though! 17.24.06 # hahaha. 17.24.25 # would it drive you crazy if it were in the topic? like, would you be insanely upset? ... ;) 17.24.32 # Yes 17.24.45 # * GodEater_ completes updating all his DAPs to the latest version of rockbox. Very important he feels for any sort of credibility at tonight's gathering. 17.24.46 # Especially as I won't be around for the next 2 days to enjoy the attention 17.24.54 # haha. 17.24.59 # maybe it won't be enjoyable :) 17.25.02 # why only the topic? maybe it could be used as backgroundmusic for the main page. 17.25.03 # lol 17.25.03 # i'd promise to save it all into one neat little text file for when you return..! 17.25.10 # PaulJam: hahaha. 17.25.11 # dionoea: It will still be logged :( 17.25.19 # hehe 17.25.57 # Ah, midkay - try again downloading.. I was also sending a big e-mail 17.26.12 # * GodEater_ will mirror too ;) 17.26.45 # GodEater_: excellent, and we can use the build system's script as a template to distribute the network load across our own servers.. we'll be all set for when it hits slashdot! 17.27.36 # Back on topic, should the WPS codec (%fc) enum work in the same order as the audio_formats table in id3.c ? 17.27.49 # pondlife: still no go :\ 17.28.09 # pondlife: fixed the database trouble i was experiencing before, it was due to the pc backup files as i suspected. after i deleted them and reint'd all worked perfectly. This may be worth a look at..... will try to trouble shoot that file that was causing the problem 17.28.19 # Great 17.29.02 # may take a while though, was 20Gb in that dir.... 17.29.25 # midkay: just bittorrent it ;) 17.29.25 # Big ol' binary search.. 17.29.30 # pondlife: the %fc tag already works and I believe it was already adapted to have wma in it at least the CustomWPS wiki says so 17.29.44 # Yes, but the WPSs need updating 17.29.55 # GodEater_: haha. 17.30.16 # Would be better to use a tag that provides the codec name as a string, maybe. 17.30.21 # pondlife: the rockboxed one needs to because it uses its own text in the enum just to have it spelled lowercase 17.30.52 # a plain %fc (without enumeration part)does that 17.31.30 # Hmm, better to allow a bit of uppercase than need updating for new codecs, maybe? 17.31.41 # the codec is spelled uppercase then 17.31.55 # The codec table has them in lowercase. 17.32.52 # I use %fc in my own wps and it reads "WMA" 17.32.59 # And id3_get_codec doesn't uppercase it... 17.33.07 # Wonder where that happens then 17.33.34 # maybe in the wps parser and related 17.33.47 # Th only difference ought to be "???" vs "unknown" 17.34.24 # And I would prefer "(unknown)" myself 17.34.48 # but ??? is more international... :) 17.34.54 # Good point! 17.36.29 Join saratoga [0] (i=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-88656af9a146f799) 17.36.34 # pondlife: I like broken wma files 17.36.43 # Shall I mail it to you? 17.37.00 # My local IIS is under attack ;) 17.37.13 # lol 17.37.16 # though WMA pro isn't supported 17.37.21 # since its closer to AAC then WMA 17.37.53 # what's the chance of the Sansa Express being supported by Rockbox? 17.38.09 # chrisjs169|bbl: about 24.3% 17.38.25 # chrisjs169|bbl: what hardware is it based on? 17.38.59 # pondlife: if possible could i get a mailed copy of the working wma? 17.39.02 # pondlife: I wouldn't mind if the rockboxed WPSs would use "%fc" only - would be more flexible. But I don't know what the original author would want... 17.39.16 # Nick_Brackley: which wma is this? 17.39.20 # what did I miss? 17.39.33 # Nick_Brackley: why do you care about wma so much if you use linux and have no way of encoding them anyway? 17.39.34 # saratoga: I'm not sure - I have a copy of the firmware the SE uses if that'd help 17.40.08 # chrisjs169|bbl: hard to say what the odds of a port are if we don't know what the hardware is 17.40.28 # friends have wma and we swap music and such 17.40.33 # chrisjs169|bbl: do you have one to open up? 17.40.46 # i think ABI already did a teardown 17.41.05 # saratoga: I tried encoding my first WMA, read the logs about 4pm 17.41.07 # markun: yeah, IIRC ABI has pics of one opened up 17.41.17 # pondlife: what settings? 17.41.32 # Nick_Brackley: I think this one should work: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4984?getfile=14224 17.41.34 # WMA Pro CBR 128k 17.41.40 # (from http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4984) 17.41.57 # The "Pro" bit seems to be the killer, is that a DRM thing? 17.42.12 # I wouldn't mind, but it locks up my H340 when I play it. 17.42.12 # markun: thankyou 17.42.18 # no Pro is a completely different codec 17.42.34 # no relation to the standard codec most people call "WMA" 17.42.49 # OK, so we should just fail to play, but not lockup or die attempting. 17.43.18 # pondlife: whats the correct way to abort decoding from inside a plugin? 17.43.25 # just return -1 ? 17.43.31 # Not sure, sorry. 17.43.47 # Search for "codec failure" and work backwards? 17.43.49 Quit bdgraue (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.44.04 # i can just check the codec id field during init 17.44.13 # just not sure what to do if i find out its a PRo file 17.44.16 # will look into it 17.45.24 # Nick_Brackley: does it work? 17.46.12 # markun: yes thankyou 17.46.44 # mine will lockup if it has a wma as the only filetype in a playlist, if there is an mp3 in the list it seems to skip to the mp3s, not sure if this is true for wma pro though 17.47.22 # well WMA Pro is detected as WMAv2 right now, so it should always lock up unless linuxstb has done some of my work for me 17.47.42 # fortunately no one uses WMA Pro, so hopefully not too many people noticed 17.47.49 # * pondlife did :p 17.47.50 Join bdgraue [0] (n=bdgraue@dyndsl-085-016-109-012.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 17.48.43 # chrisjs169|bbl: I can't find the article on abi 17.50.51 # http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/2007/05/sandisk-sansa-connect-dissasembly.php 17.51.43 # can't see much, but they mention that its a TI chip 17.52.15 Quit RaRe ("Quit msgs should be longer.") 17.54.07 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.54.10 # saratoga: that's for the connect, not the SE 17.54.35 # i wasn't really planning on starting a port, just asking since people over at ABI are wondering 17.54.55 # * chrisjs169|bbl will give them a link to the NewPort wiki article 17.56.54 Join RaRe [0] (n=Laffin_B@202-89-187-101.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) 17.58.58 # funny that that antenna shape in the case is fake... 17.59.32 # Damn annoying if you ask me... 17.59.52 # GodEater_: Saw the asm fragment. It appears to me to divide a signed value by 8 while rounding towards 0. (Did I get it? :) 18.05.15 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 18.11.26 # low_light: excuse me, God_Eater_ posted right before you and I messed up :p 18.12.03 # saratoga: Speaking about wma - is there any chance to support wma lossless as well? 18.12.34 # that's not documentated AFAIK 18.13.12 # Just asking out of curiosity 18.13.46 # well unless he reverse engineers it i doubt that it's possible (I'm might be wrong) 18.13.54 # ffmpeg doesn't handle it 18.14.23 # s/'m// 18.14.36 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 18.18.08 Quit Wiwie ("Miranda IM! 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How do I get rockbox on there? 18.43.14 # unless you messed with the partitions, the ipodpatcher should work 18.43.20 # at least thats my understanding 18.43.28 # follow the instructions int he manual 18.43.30 # ipodcatcher doesnt see it anymore. But windows does 18.43.59 # then you probably messed with the paritions or whatever ipod patcher uses to detect it 18.44.18 # you could probably just follow the mac install instructions that show how to reformat the ipod as fat32 18.44.23 # I know. i formatted it 18.44.24 # or else restore it with itunes 18.44.46 # ya. my work is blocking itunes url and all 18.44.57 # Ill have to do it later. Thanks 18.46.20 Join Domonoky_ [0] (n=Domonoky@e176226056.adsl.alicedsl.de) 18.51.48 Part rogelio ("Kopete 0.12.4 : http://kopete.kde.org") 18.53.22 Quit Wiwie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.54.20 Quit knix_ ("Leaving") 18.57.19 Join Wiwie [0] (n=goddi@p5B0986DF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.59.17 # pondlife: I put in a check for WMA Pro. If youg et a chance, try that file and see if it still crashes 18.59.30 # Will do 19.01.13 # hmm, "Build should have been done 116m 50s ago"? 19.01.46 # local clock not set? 19.02.02 # it looks fine for me 19.02.11 # i love that counter 19.02.23 # gives me something to do whiel I wait to see if I broke coldfire builds 19.02.24 # all the glory to dionoea for that one 19.02.39 # oh, propably because i use the wrong timezone (otherwie i have problems with the coexistene of linux and windows) 19.02.43 # and I like it a lot as well 19.02.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.03.08 # PaulJam: that's probably it then 19.03.42 # saratoga: Coldfire still compiles ok I think... 19.04.48 # ok done 19.05.46 # Bagder: The build counter + refresh sometimes causes an odd effect: 19.05.47 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 19.06.03 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 19.06.35 # If the build is overdue, the script refreshes every ~10 seconds. 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(If yes i could try using that to correct clock offsets in the js code) 19.07.05 # But sometimes it does, as if the server doesn't send the proper expires: header 19.08.04 # If that happens, even a manual refresh doesn't help. 19.09.06 Quit DerPapst (Nick collision from services.) 19.09.08 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@p54BD3641.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.09.24 # * DerPapst has the same problem as amiconn. 19.09.50 # the images shouldn't reload 19.09.58 # since they should be cached by the browser 19.10.04 # yes 19.10.14 # But *sometimes* they do 19.10.33 Join Jon-Kha [0] (n=Jon-Kha@a91-152-87-243.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 19.11.17 # * amiconn wonders what's up with the build 19.11.39 # I don't see how the js nor the images are to blame for that sometimes 19.12.01 # I'll run some livehttpheaders later on and see 19.12.11 # I wonder whether it's the server, or the browser 19.12.14 # the images relaoded for me too. 19.12.20 # Could also be a ff bug 19.12.33 # Doesn't happen atm, but did happen yesterday 19.12.38 # * DerPapst is on ff as well 19.12.44 Join saratoga [0] (i=980398fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3f61fb5ec1bd5c1f) 19.12.55 # possibly that's caused by the particular js function call used 19.13.02 # it happend twice today. on different pcs 19.13.04 # window.location.reload() 19.13.14 # with an 1.5.x version of ff 19.13.20 # 2.0.0.4 here 19.14.42 # saratoga: Yes, the WMA Pro file now gives the expected codec failure 19.14.44 # Thanks 19.15.20 # Bagder: is it passing true as agrument to reload() ? 19.15.45 # yes 19.19.05 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007060115]") 19.19.08 Quit RoC_MasterMind (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.19.31 Quit ptw419 () 19.19.37 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host20-217-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 19.22.56 Quit pondlife ("disconnected has pondlife") 19.28.43 Quit PaulJam (".") 19.30.55 Join PaulJam [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3080.gwdg.de) 19.40.10 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B1486F.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.41.44 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 19.41.54 Quit scorche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.41.54 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.41.54 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.42.01 Join Xerion [0] (i=xerion@cp198589-d.landg1.lb.home.nl) 19.42.16 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 19.42.17 Quit Shaid (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.42.25 Join Shaid [0] (n=adam@210-84-5-69.dyn.iinet.net.au) 19.42.33 Join scorche [0] (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 19.44.22 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.44.32 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B1486F.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.46.11 Join knix_ [0] (n=knix@c-24-127-177-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 19.46.11 Quit knix_ (Remote closed the connection) 19.47.40 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-066-057-231-236.nc.res.rr.com) 19.50.00 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54965F45.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.51.01 Join knix_ [0] (n=knix@c-24-127-177-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 19.51.31 # alright. 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Now, how do I turn it off. Holding play doesnt do it. 20.36.36 # Please, anyone? 20.37.02 Join pepie34 [0] (n=pepie34@cop60-1-82-240-26-92.fbx.proxad.net) 20.37.13 # have you checked the manual? 20.37.16 # its probably in there 20.37.20 # i think all the button stuff is 20.39.29 Join amigan_ [0] (i=dcp1990@ip70-181-22-88.ri.ri.cox.net) 20.39.29 Quit amigan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.40.30 Join onionpasta [0] (i=4ccc5b6d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3cdc7ba3e6bedc96) 20.41.28 # yes i checked the manual. But it's not working for me 20.41.28 Quit onionpasta (Client Quit) 20.41.59 # what did the manual say? 20.42.00 Quit ender` (Connection timed out) 20.42.49 Join Ratty [0] (n=Raistlfi@d47-69-6-70.try.wideopenwest.com) 20.43.50 # press and hold the play button. I held it for a minute straight 20.44.58 # make sure hold is really off? 20.45.10 Quit Shaid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.45.11 Nick Shaid` is now known as Shaid (n=adam@210-84-5-69.dyn.iinet.net.au) 20.45.12 Quit bdgraue (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.45.25 # yup, I dont even mess with hold 20.48.30 Quit Anakin (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.48.36 # Im not really sure what to do 20.48.52 Quit chrisjs169|bbl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.51.49 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.53.31 Join belze_ [0] (i=nifty@dslb-088-073-225-160.pools.arcor-ip.net) 20.53.55 # you can force a reboot with menu+select but holding play should work 20.54.15 Join thegeek [0] (i=thegeek@ti521110a080-11051.bb.online.no) 20.54.21 # hey, did anyone yet try to replace the irivers hdd with a ssd (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_state_drive) ? 20.54.32 # would make it a georgeous player 20.54.39 # not that I know 20.54.47 # finally you can go jogging without having to worry about the hdd 20.54.48 # also $$$ 20.55.14 # true 20.55.23 # but the interface is standard so it should work 20.55.36 # yeah, i think so, too 20.55.44 # power consumption should be even lower 21.02.32 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 21.02.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.07.45 Join onakijmei [0] (i=0@86.122.116.44) 21.07.59 # hmm, and what about using a cf-card with an adapter? 21.08.13 # way cheaper and also does the trick 21.08.15 Quit lostnihilist ("Leaving") 21.13.08 # way smaller... 21.14.53 # yeah 21.14.58 # should be worth a try 21.16.04 Quit knix_ ("Leaving") 21.20.48 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 21.32.42 Join HellDragon [0] (i=JD@unaffiliated/helldragon) 21.36.02 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 21.38.18 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.41.32 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=lostnihi@ppp-68-251-66-141.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) 21.41.51 Quit BigMac (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.44.23 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@i-83-67-214-206.freedom2surf.net) 21.44.34 Quit onakijmei (No route to host) 21.48.56 Join Robin0800 [0] (n=Robin080@cpc4-brig8-0-0-cust563.brig.cable.ntl.com) 21.49.05 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 21.49.23 # dan_a: How's performace on G3 now? 21.50.33 # amiconn: It seems good - the main difference I noticed was that WMA played without skipping. It also carried on playing (MP3s) until the battery ran out without hanging 21.50.35 Join bnakikpmb [0] (i=0@86.122.116.44) 21.51.47 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.52.38 # Well done on finding out how to run the clock at full speed :D 21.52.43 # I will do some more research, and the clean up that code, replacing the ipl leftovers with proper register macros 21.52.55 # I will also go for 80MHz in that cleanup 21.53.16 # Maybe some more PP5002 tests are required during the research 21.53.34 Quit bnakikpmb (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.53.43 # I'll happily do them 21.54.24 Join cnakibfnm [0] (i=0@86.122.116.44) 21.55.35 # How is battery life on G3, btw? Also in comparison to OF - if you ever tested that 21.56.41 # I've never tested either - I don't use it for more than about 1 hour without pluigging it in to a power supply 21.57.10 # (apart from today when I left it running in my car by accident) 21.57.50 # I'll do a proper test one evening 21.57.51 Join Quelsaruk [0] (n=kvirc@244.pool85-61-19.dynamic.orange.es) 21.57.56 # hej 21.58.03 # You could even try 90MHz now 21.58.52 # 90MHz might cause too much heat when running at that speed continuously 22.00.07 # But with scaling on it should be OK, no? 22.01.04 # I think so, unless you're trying a codec which can't cope (e.g. ape at higher compression levels) 22.02.28 Join wrecked_ipod [0] (i=5549ba79@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5c045e2a6c0d7356) 22.02.40 # is anyone here? 22.03.10 # wrecked_ipod: Some people are, yes 22.03.26 # How can we help? 22.03.31 # If 90MHz cause too much heat, the only way to use 90MHz boosted speed would be to track average cpu speed, and limit the time it is running at full speed 22.03.51 # (some kind of "blind" thermal throttling) 22.04.44 # That would put more work into the boosting code, which is nice and simple at the moment. 22.05.27 # But somehow I expect it to work, given the fact that the PP5002 specs say 90MHz 22.06.24 # The ipod might get a bit warm (which also applies e.g. to the mini G1 running at full 75MHz and disk running) and drain the battery quite fast, but it shouldn't crash 22.06.28 # guys im in a shit situation here.. my friends ipod is not playinf any songs through itunes, instead theres an exclamation mark on the left 22.06.29 # The OF doesn't run it faster than 75MHz, does it? 22.06.43 # does anyone know if these songs can be recovered? 22.07.26 # I'm not sure. The apple loader prepares the PLL for 75MHz, but the clock change routine calculates arbitrary pll settings 22.07.29 Join bdgraue [0] (n=bdgraue@dyndsl-085-016-109-012.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 22.09.05 # It limits the input parameter to fall between 2 global vars, and the lower limit is 24000 (the parameter is in kHz), but I have no idea what the upper limit is 22.09.05 # wrecked_ipod: Possibly, if you can copy the (hidden) Ipod_Control folder onto a computer. That has all the music in it. But talk in here should be relevant to Rockbox 22.09.48 # (of course there's a special case for 32kHz) 22.10.34 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54966211.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.10.40 # Running at 32kHz isn't fun - I've set the clock to that on the Sansa before... 22.10.49 Quit entheh ("^~") 22.11.59 Quit wrecked_ipod ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 22.12.54 # It's meant for deep sleep, and several things need to be prepared for this to work 22.13.32 Join pfarmer [0] (n=Peter@dns01.hbhosting.co.uk) 22.13.38 # The sdram won't lose its contents but isn't accessible, so the sleep & wakeup code must reside in iram 22.14.22 # There are dozens of unknown registers (or unknown bits in registers) involved 22.15.14 # That doesn't sound like fun. 22.16.29 # Would it be better to change the frequency scaling to use one of the fixed frequency clocks (IIRC, there are 24, 30 and 66MHz clock sources) and the PLL instead of switching between two PLL frequencies? 22.16.33 # hi all, I've got a 1st gen ipod nano at "Data abort at 40001404", how do I shut it down, I've tried holding down the "Play/Pause" butten 22.16.38 # the OF probably powers down many things in the chip befor going to deep sleep, so those unkown register / bits could be interessting for power savings. 22.17.10 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 22.17.14 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp87-65.adsl.forthnet.gr) 22.17.26 # pfarmer: hold menü+select 22.17.36 # dan_a: There are only two fixed frequencies which are guaranteed to be there - 32kHz and 24MHz 22.18.06 # The H10 seems to have 16MHz and 33MHz as well, but the ipods (PP5020+) don't 22.18.18 # Domonoky_: thanks, thats done it :) 22.18.39 # amiconn: That will explain why I couldn't make that work on the Sansa, then! 22.18.41 # We could use the additional dividers though, leaving the PLL at fixed clock 22.19.06 # But that's not really flexible 22.20.13 # It would be faster though, wouldn't it? So reduce the cost of boosting/unboosting? And we're not very flexible at the moment 22.21.07 # Yes, but other targets (e.g. coldfire) won't have this quick boost/unboost. SO we would have to introduce lots of ifdefing 22.21.55 # I will try to do something different though: Keep the normal boost/umboost way, but put the cpu on idle clock while sleeping 22.22.11 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@avc146.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 22.22.36 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 22.23.26 # I'd assumed that putting the CPU to sleep made it use the lowest clock 22.24.27 # I'm not sure whether PP does this, but I doubt it. The clock source is shared between cores, but you can sleep individual cores 22.25.02 # Sleep is probably like the halt instruction on other cpus 22.25.06 Quit pepie34 ("Ex-Chat") 22.25.39 Join entheh [0] (n=purr@88-106-247-156.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 22.25.42 # The SH1 also has sleep which lowers power consumption significantly, but it runs from fixed clock... 22.26.29 # Have you happened to come across anything which suggests how to run the COP slower than the main core (as I understand is possible)? 22.26.41 # You mean clock skipping? 22.26.45 Quit atsea- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.27.03 # Yes 22.27.10 # Not yet, but it might be that some of the unknown bits in CPU_CTL/COP_CTL have to do with that 22.27.57 # We only know _one_ bit of those registers - and there are at least 11 other bits which are used (on PP5020+) 22.28.37 # On PP5002 it's similar (at least 8 used bits) 22.28.38 # One of those bits seems to be set when changing clock speeds 22.29.08 # Not on ipods 22.29.15 # No? 22.29.16 # (except for 32kHz mode) 22.29.44 # The main clock change routine on PP5020+ doesn't touch those registers except for 32kHz mode 22.30.08 # Checked ipod mini (G1/G2), ipod color, and ipod video OF 22.35.00 Quit HellDragon (Nick collision from services.) 22.35.28 # dan_a: i've been trying to figure out why I cannot get the profile builds to work properly on ARM 22.35.40 # have you tried recently? 22.35.46 Join HellDragon [0] (i=JD@unaffiliated/helldragon) 22.36.12 Part Domonoky_ 22.36.48 # saratoga: The only time I ever made a profile build was when someone told me I'd broken them on ARM... 22.37.03 # is there anyone i should ask about it? 22.37.09 # i used to be able to do them 22.37.18 # but at some point this year they stopped working for me 22.37.57 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.37.57 # I don't know who the expert is. They are fairly tightly tied into the scheduler, IIRC. I'll have a look and see what I can find 22.38.33 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 22.38.33 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.39.41 # dan_a: for what its worth, the build works fine, but I got no output 22.43.07 Join Infinoid [0] (n=paranoid@airrunner.com) 22.43.38 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul) 22.44.11 # saratoga: I can't build a profile build for the G3, but that's a linking problem not code... I'm just having a look at what's changed. Any idea what the last working revision you had was? 22.44.40 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 22.45.01 # dan_a: unfortunately I last tried it in September 22.45.08 # has anyone here tried to upgrade the harddrive of an iaudio X5? :) 22.45.17 Part maffe 22.45.33 # Infinoid: is it 1,8" or 2,5"? 22.45.41 # its 1.8" 22.46.28 # mine is the 60GB version, it has a Toshiba MK6006GAH inside. (a fact which I wanted to put on the wiki, because it only has the model number for the 20GB version, but it said I should come here and beg for permissions.) 22.46.46 # I'm going to try swapping it out for a 100GB MK1011GAH 22.46.58 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 22.47.21 # The MK1011GAH won't fit, it has the wrong connector 22.47.30 Quit SirFunk (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.48.05 # the best you can get is 80GB 22.48.06 # ah :) I had asked Toshiba tech support about that, and was waiting for the answer before I actually ordered one 22.48.26 # MK8007GAH - available on ebay atm 22.49.58 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 22.51.06 # Infinoid: re wiki permission, give us your wikiname and we'll give ;) 22.51.30 # MarkGlines, but I have nothing to contribute but my current hard drive model (yet) 22.52.35 # saratoga: No idea, I'm afraid 22.53.14 # hmm. "Samsung announces 1.8-inch 120GB disk". but they don't actually have it yet. 22.53.36 Quit matsl ("Leaving") 22.53.37 # Infinoid: wiki access has been arranged ;) 22.54.22 # thanks! 22.55.12 # Infinoid: all new drives will probably have a ZIF connector so not compatible... 22.56.04 # thanks for the tip. if its just the connector, maybe I can wire something up 22.56.08 # We need adapters... 22.57.00 # Infinoid: You can try, but be aware that there's very little room for an adapter, and the ZIF connector has a pin spacing of 1mm, staggered in 2 rows 22.57.03 # Infinoid: there's a link at the bottom for the wiring of an adapter 22.57.24 # (a pdf) 22.58.39 # a link at the bottom of what? 22.58.56 # that wiki page about harddrives... 22.59.06 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 22.59.54 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement 23.00.13 # ah, thanks. 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