--- Log for 16.07.107 Server: heinlein.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 7 days and 12 hours ago 00.00.01 # Aswell as people getting the wrong idea and thinking it only means 'Delete from playlist' 00.00.12 # it's also some kind of crowding the menu ... 00.00.26 # I think the cons are vastly outnumbering the pros here 00.00.37 # how about some option to temporarily follow the playlist? 00.01.03 # I.e. if you switch to the file browser through some special menu item it follows the playlist if the option is turned off. 00.01.14 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 00.01.26 # If people are really that worried about deleting on-the-fly, they would probably use the file browser anyway, with follow playlist already on 00.01.30 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 00.01.35 # Or always follow playlist if you enter the file browser from the WPS. 00.01.52 # Does follow playlist default to off? 00.01.55 # linuxstb: That's the one I'm in favour of 00.01.56 # does the database work with SPC files? 00.02.04 # and remove the follow playlist option? Hmm. Not sure if I like that. 00.02.05 # If you tap "Menu" then choose "Files" you get the root (or last location) 00.02.20 # If you press the Select button (or equivalent) from WPS, you go to the currently playing file 00.02.43 # What does select currently do on your target? 00.02.53 # saratoga: The database should work with every audio type - although many (e.g. WAV, AC3) will appear as untagged, as Rockbox doesn't attempt to read any tags from them. I don't know anything about SPC. 00.03.01 # sounds reasonable, but I'm kinda unsure if I like it. I usually prefer to not follow playlist. 00.03.25 # For people not used to it, it could be an annoyance, unless it had a menu setting 00.03.30 # but the follow playlist option could be used to change between select and menu to access it. 00.04.33 # SPC appears to support tags since the WPS reads the game name from somewhere but they don't show up in my database, even after i refresh it 00.05.04 # Or just leave everything as it is and reject the patch - the confusion between "delete file from disk" and "delete from playlist" is a good enough reason for me. 00.05.27 # Certainly I don't like a "Delete file" option in the WPS Context menu 00.05.33 # saratoga: The WPS may just be displaying the filename or directory name if there's no tag. Is that the case? 00.05.53 # I don't know of anyone ever coming here and complaining they can't quickly wipe off their player while they're on the train to work... 00.05.56 # the potential confusion could be really a problem. 00.06.01 # linuxstb: I don't believe so, the information it shows is not in either 00.06.37 # what does codec failure normally mean? 00.06.53 # Your build version and codec version don't match 00.06.54 Join iamben [0] (n=ben@dpc67142179038.direcpc.com) 00.06.54 # saratoga: Checking the source (apps/metadata/spc.c), Rockbox does read tags from SPC files. So they should appear in the database. 00.06.55 # ompaul: usually this occurs when codes files and Rockbox build doesn't match 00.07.04 # thanks 00.07.11 # I think I need more stuff then ;-) 00.07.13 # Replace all your rockbox files with the latest build 00.07.13 # i.e. that when upgrading you replaces rockbox.* and forgot the rest 00.07.40 # or you have an old rockbox.* file in the root and an older bootloader prefering that one 00.07.45 # Is there a reason why it just complains, rather than attempts to use the codec anyway? 00.07.56 # it can't use it 00.08.00 # i wonder why my database doesn't update properly then 00.08.14 # Soul-Slayer, they don't plug into each other neatly might be a nice way of saying it 00.08.24 # Hmm... Okay. 00.08.51 # * bluebrother smells a duplicate in the tracker ... 00.08.56 # Soul-Slayer: the codec loader is far away from fancy so it needs a rather strict "match" 00.08.57 # I thought "Codec failure" was when a codec returned an error, rather than a version mismatch... 00.09.20 # Fair enough. 00.09.32 # I think "Codec Failure" covers version mismatches too. 00.10.04 # ompaulL Either way, just overwrite all your files with the latest build 00.11.30 # * bluebrother closed a duplicate 00.13.00 # ok, should we announce a tracker cleanup week? Or month? 00.13.13 # and ask users to try to replicate open bugs and report back? 00.13.56 # bluebrother: that would be nice 00.15.28 # what timeframe would be good? Maybe two weeks, until the end of this month? 00.15.47 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 00.16.36 Quit My_Sic (Client Quit) 00.17.25 # I think one week 00.17.47 # ok. I'm going to mail to the rb and rb-dev lists 00.17.57 # and a given notice one or two weeks in advance and some guidelines 00.18.13 # I've been spending as much time as possible going through tracker items since last week 00.18.36 # given notice? Like announcing it now, starting in 2 weeks and lasting for one week? 00.18.36 # * lymeca can't wait until Wifi-enabled MP3 players become huge and Rockbox supports them allowed unfettered non-DRM swapping of tracks between two or more devices in range 00.19.05 # RockPirate? 00.19.22 Quit ompaul ("not here, gone away") 00.20.57 # bluebrother: rbutil is not fun to use behind a proxy 00.21.11 Quit spiorf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.21.18 # bluebrother: yes, something like that 00.22.01 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host85-202-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 00.23.35 # bluebrother: it tries to fetch the manual without the proxy, and the same goes for the themes 00.23.54 # LinusN: I know for the manual -- themes installing worked for me 00.24.39 # themes failed for me last time i tried 00.24.42 # but Domonoky said that there was discussion about removing the inline manual and replacing it with only the link 00.25.14 # sounds good to me 00.25.14 # let me try themes ... 00.25.50 # I would also prefer not using wx. Don't like it :o 00.26.09 # what alternatives are there? 00.26.18 # urgh. Loads of build warnings with rbutil svn ... 00.26.33 # LinusN: qt or gtk etc probably 00.26.35 # I would prefer using Qt -- runs on all 3 important platforms. 00.26.55 # how hard would it be to port it to qt? 00.27.19 # I don't know exactly. I started looking into it, but I barely know Qt / cpp 00.27.26 # is there an obvious benefit for such a port? 00.27.27 Quit Redbreva (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.27.34 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul) 00.27.41 # but it would be a challenge to try ;-) 00.27.46 # Bagder: things may start working? 00.27.47 # thanks for that - it works now :) 00.27.49 # I personally don't like Qt, but I've never tried wx 00.28.13 # LinusN: it sounds more like a guess and what if the bugs would only follow? 00.28.20 # Domonoky seems to like Qt too. 00.28.21 # i'm sure we can make it work with wx too 00.28.29 # sure. 00.28.52 # one reason would possibly be the messed up distro situation for wx 2.8 00.29.58 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 00.31.05 Join safetydan [0] (i=cbca159f@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 00.31.29 # hmm, installing a theme fails because it doesn't contain the correct directory structure. 00.31.37 # but the theme file itself is correct ... 00.31.46 Nick Tr1ckY^BNC is now known as Tr1ckY^ (n=Tr1ckY@0x573c22fa.bynqu2.broadband.tele.dk) 00.32.03 # last time i tried, it failed to load the index page from the theme site 00.32.24 # hmm, installing build and fonts works. 00.32.37 # I have faith in a new themes site that can also be crafted to be rbutil friendly 00.32.47 # from the start I mean 00.33.11 # Llorean: the desired behaviour of follow playlist you described 30 minutes ago, isn't that exactly how rockbox currently behaves when follow playlist is enabled? 00.33.14 # would be nice 00.34.02 Nick Tr1ckY^ is now known as Guest16433 (n=Tr1ckY@0x573c22fa.bynqu2.broadband.tele.dk) 00.34.47 # NOt quite, he means it doesn't 'Follow playlist' if you navigate from the 'Files' option in the main menu, but it does do it if you get into the file browser from the WPS 00.34.51 # I believe 00.34.52 # PaulJam: I was talking about removing the option entirely. Filetree-from-WPS always follows the playlist, Filetree-from-menu is always based on wherever you last saw in the filetree. 00.36.07 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp1-196.adsl.forthnet.gr) 00.36.35 # Soul-Slayer: well, currently it is the case that it doesn't follw if you enter from the main menu or by stopping playback. 00.36.38 # I'd actually personally be in favour of making "Select" always take you to the filetree from WPS, independent of whether the WPS was launched from Database or Filetree. 00.37.18 # Since there's no follow-in-database anyway. 00.37.35 # i just tried the latest version of rbutil, and answered "No" to the autodetect question, and it tried to load the manual from "manual/rockbox-/rockbox-build.html" :-) 00.37.50 # Llorean: but people who use itunes to tranfer music might not like this behaviour. 00.38.20 # and now i am stuck in an endless loop of autodetect questions 00.38.39 Nick Guest16433 is now known as Tr1ckY^ (n=Tr1ckY@0x573c22fa.bynqu2.broadband.tele.dk) 00.38.42 # if i say "No", it pops up again 00.38.43 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 00.39.00 # if i say yes, it says "autodetect failed, aborting", and it pops up again 00.39.25 # PaulJam: It adds an extra two button presses (or one button press and a portion of a turn) to get to the Database from WPS. 00.39.31 # i'm stuck, have to kill it with the task manager 00.39.42 # autodetect question? rbutil autodetects silently on startup 00.39.52 # But it does clear up the "Follow Playlist" question with a bit of finality. 00.39.59 # and for me it doesn't ask when pressing the "Autodetect" button 00.40.28 # bluebrother: yes, and then it fails to load the manual, and then i get the question: "no device selected, want to autodetect?" 00.40.48 Quit SiebaZ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.41.04 Quit ompaul ("great work - keep it up") 00.41.20 # i get the question every time i start rbutil 00.41.50 # Llorean: Why should users who prefer the database be taken to the file browser? I'm sure it's not just itunes users that only navigate with the database. 00.41.54 Nick Tr1ckY^ is now known as Guest16433 (n=Tr1ckY@0x573c22fa.bynqu2.broadband.tele.dk) 00.41.59 # ah, I see what you mean. Forgot that I have a configuration file already ... 00.42.30 # linuxstb: You can't follow in the database anyway, and if you're inserting individual songs/folders you don't end up in the WPS 00.42.44 # now it's even better, now it pops right up again regardless of what i say 00.43.09 # and the "failed to load the manual" dialog is behind it 00.44.24 # I just really like the idea of "select" in the WPS always highlighting the current song. And that's only doable in the filetree. 00.45.29 # Llorean: I disagree, but need to sleep... 00.45.33 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC") 00.46.14 # Llorean: What does select currently do for you? 00.47.04 # woah! Now rbutil is going mad :( 00.47.29 # bluebrother: sorry i dragged you into this mess :-) 00.47.35 # Soul-Slayer: Depends on from where I entered the WPS. 00.47.42 # At least, last time I checked. 00.47.49 # well, I wanted to learn some cpp anyway ... ;-) 00.48.09 # Do you usually use the database or file tree? 00.48.35 # I rarely use the database outside of testing. 00.49.02 # I also rarely use follow playlist. 00.49.36 # Is there a reason for that? Seeing as it sounds like it would do exactly what you'd like 00.49.45 Join nerdytacos [0] (i=4ccc5b6d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5fd96c68364dcc7a) 00.49.50 # hi 00.49.55 # Hello 00.49.58 # I never said I wanted to use the feature. 00.50.04 # I said I think it makes sense. 00.50.22 # Holding "Select" brings a context menu with varying things to do relating to the file 00.51.26 # So tapping select could take you to the file, and we could be rid of an option in menus that are already quite full of options, and head off future feature requests for a follow-database option. 00.51.41 # im having problems with rockcalendar and rockword from plugbox 00.52.00 # nerdytacos: Those aren't official. You should ask their creator(s) 00.52.03 # It doesn't really make sense to play a song through the database, then leave it through the file tree, however. Which is the only way that could be implemented by what has been said. And people entering through the file tree and expecting that behaviour could just use follow playlist. 00.52.25 # Soul-Slayer: You don't leave it through the filetree. 00.52.36 # When you invoke the file by pressing "Select" it takes you to the filetree 00.53.00 # I've never seen "Select" as leaving the WPS, I've seen it as "Invoking the filetree", which may be the reason we see things differently 00.53.19 # I'd just rather it invoke the file's location, rather than a location dependent on settings 00.53.30 # If you were "leaving" playback, playback would stop 00.54.19 # But if you enter the WPS through the database, pressing select (presumably) returns you to the database at the moment? 00.54.50 # Llorean: well, all I need to know is what build of rockbox they work with. My build is from a few days ago, but they don't work, so they must work with a past build, i just need to know what date. it doesn't say on the plugbox website. 00.55.33 # nerdytacos: Then email the site admin or programmers. We honestly can't be expected to know what someone else's software is designed to work with, I think. 00.55.50 # Soul-Slayer: I'm fairly certain, yes. Why? 00.55.50 Quit nerdytacos ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.56.42 # wasnt plugbox abandonded? 00.56.53 # Llorean: So, say I enter an album to listen to a song through the database, it enters the WPS as per normal... With your feature implemented, how would I go back to the database, to listen to another album? 00.57.04 # Menu, down, select. 00.57.09 # Two button presses more than as currently 00.57.12 # nerdytacos: they are really outdates on the plugbox site (maybe 1,5 yers?). the rockcalendar can be found on the patchtracker and i think rockword was never really completed. 00.58.12 # Because you're going to have to navigate around the database anyway, an extra button press or two doesn't make a significant difference. 00.58.41 # Llorean: That would go to root menu, then database? That wouldn't return me to the same artist I was on before though, so I'd have to navigate all the way back to it. 00.58.51 # Meanwhile locating the currently playing song quickly can skip many button presses, and sometimes you're not even sure where it is on the player (for example, when the database picks up files in a hidden folder or the trash) 00.59.22 # Soul-Slayer: You're wrong 00.59.38 # Llorean: but for people who prefer to have the filebrowser show the last used location it would also mean 4 buttonpresses instead of one. 00.59.43 # It will return you to wherever you were in the database when you left it. 00.59.56 # PaulJam: Four? 01.00.00 # PaulJam: "Menu, Select" 01.00.11 # Llorean: menu, up, up, select 01.00.21 # Ah, okay. I've never had to do it that way before, as I can just press a single button to return to where I was 01.01.00 # Ah, it highlights "Now playing" 01.01.15 # Either way, if you're navigating, one or two presses doesn't matter. Or three. 01.01.17 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]") 01.02.03 # Llorean: but it would mean a lot of people coming and complaining. 01.02.05 Quit ender` (" Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors and miss. -- Robert A. Heinlein") 01.02.19 # And? 01.02.54 # It would also make the "selecting" the "While Playing" screen select the while playing song, which makes a strong sort of sense. 01.03.48 # Llorean: If I'm honest, I can't think of an instance where I'd need to listen to a song, then be able to access it through my file tree 01.03.53 # Quickly* 01.04.52 # Soul-Slayer: Delete a song that you didn't realize was still on the player, find the location of a song that *shouldn't* be on the player, add another song from that album into the playlist when playing a shuffled playlist 01.04.55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.06.11 # Llorean: isn't this what "follow playlist" does? 01.06.17 Quit kfazz ("Leaving") 01.06.23 # LinusN: Yes. 01.06.44 # then i guess i'm missing the point - ignore me 01.07.12 # Your third point can be accomplished through the database how it is currently, and I think even the file tree will return you to the same folder, just not necessarily highlight the current song. And you wouldn't need the current song highlighted to do the third point. The second point can be found by going to the context menu and into Properties or similar. 01.07.24 # LinusN: Seriously, all I did was echo my agreement that it could make sense for the filetree to *always* follow playlist when entered from the WPS 01.07.50 # So that the option could be removed, and there's no question about why it follows in filetree but not database, etc. 01.07.54 Quit Entasis (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.07.55 # The first point, I agree, that would save time, but that doesn't happen often enough to have to have buttons mapped to it. 01.07.57 # Llorean: well, I wouldn't want to do that. 01.08.09 Quit obo ("bye") 01.08.18 # but that option could be changed so it swaps between follow on menu or wps 01.08.46 # Soul-Slayer: So I'm supposed to generate a database to add a song from an album? 01.08.57 # If I don't have on generated or up to date. 01.09.08 # Llorean: You said yourself you don't use follow playlist, I fail to see why you'd want it permanently implemented, and lose yourself a button to do so. 01.09.19 # Because I think it makes sense. 01.09.23 # Seriously, that's *all* I said 01.09.26 # It makes sense to me. 01.09.36 # I'd imagine if you were an avid database user, you'd keep it updated. 01.09.42 # You aren't going to talk me out of it, so quit trying, I'm not trying to talk you into it, and if you don't like it, fine, we disagree. 01.09.49 # But challenging it isn't going to make the idea make less sense to me. 01.09.56 # Fair enough. 01.10.01 # Soul-Slayer: I told you earlier, I don't use the database. 01.10.16 # I was speaking hypothetically, anyhow, as you say, we agree to disagree. 01.10.20 # I'm not arguing *for* the point, as I've said, I don't use follow playlist. 01.10.46 # One can like an idea without saying "We need to implement this" 01.12.12 # I just really like the idea of knowing exactly where any button press will take me, rather than it depending on from what direction I entered the WPS. 01.12.21 # And what a certain menu option is set to right now. 01.18.18 Part LinusN 01.21.57 # markun: ping 01.29.46 Quit Robin0800 (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- In tests, 0x09 out of 0x0A l33t h4x0rz prefer it :)") 01.30.15 # could it be that va_arg chokes on a unicode string? 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02.03.35 # he is 02.03.35 # yes but he's not around 02.03.39 Quit entheh ("^~") 02.04.00 Quit Soul-Slayer (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.04.03 # it's 2 in the morning, I should be sleeping as well ;) 02.04.17 # :) 02.04.28 # its 10am here... _i_ should be asleep :'( 02.04.30 # stupid uni 02.06.25 # hehe :) 02.06.29 Join n [0] (n=n@host81-156-125-254.range81-156.btcentralplus.com) 02.06.35 # * DrMoos is suposed to sleep too 02.10.04 Quit DrMoos ("Glory to Rockbox") 02.15.26 Part Llorean 02.21.53 Quit petur ("Zzzzz") 02.27.46 Part pixelma 02.36.19 Quit lukaswayne9 ("Ex-Chat") 02.38.53 Quit chrisjs169 (Nick collision from services.) 02.40.00 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 02.40.54 Part n 02.41.48 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.42.09 Join dandin1 [0] (n=dandin1@bas7-ottawa23-1088827872.dsl.bell.ca) 02.45.58 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.47.26 Join Soul-Slayer [0] (n=Administ@89.241.167.125) 02.47.42 # Am I right in thinking WMA playback currently can't seek? 02.57.52 Quit Soul-Slayer (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.59.03 Quit secleinteer (Connection timed out) 02.59.18 Join secleinteer [0] (n=scl@70.230.178.188) 03.04.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.06.33 # So a DAP manufacturer's site provides an exe that updates the device's firmware... aren't there tools out there that can dump the actual firmware image from said updater? 03.10.11 Join Party-boy [0] (n=christop@p5499F047.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.10.26 # hello anyone here? 03.12.09 # i have an ipod photo 20g copied .rockbox onto the root directory of my ipod, ran the ipodpatcher however the patcher gives me an [ERR] saying it can't find an ipod 03.12.18 # diskuse etc enabled, itunes closed 03.12.34 # can anybody give my some help thanks 03.13.33 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007060115]") 03.13.33 # wow, heard of punctuation? 03.14.05 # Party-boy: what exactly is the error message given? 03.14.20 # one sec 03.14.49 # [INFO] Scanning disk devices..... 03.15.03 # [ERR] No ipods found, aborting 03.15.28 # pls connect ur ipod and ensure disk use, pls refer to rockbox manual 03.15.50 # i already searched the forums ans there not much with helped me out 03.16.00 # So does the ipod actually show up as a drive? 03.16.13 # yea 03.16.21 # as J: 03.16.49 # NAME (J:) 03.17.51 Quit dandin1 () 03.18.22 # Party-boy: try ipodpatcher --scan 03.19.16 # same thing 03.19.32 # [INFO] Scanning disk devices..... 03.19.36 # (03:14:59) (Party-boy) [ERR] No ipods found, aborting 03.19.44 # without the aborting 03.20.07 # I'm not really familiar with the ipodpatcher so I don't know why it would fail. Have you done anything different to it before? 03.20.19 # nope 03.20.31 # how did u install it on ur ipod? 03.21.14 # I don't have an iPod. 03.21.31 # ohh ok 03.21.36 # Rockbox works on more than just iPods 03.24.02 # yea i know 03.24.32 Join donutman25 [0] (n=chatzill@65.75.87.48) 03.28.33 # but thx anyway safetydan 03.31.57 Join TTSbox [0] (n=OzgurOzt@aksu.cse.ohio-state.edu) 03.32.22 # What is IRAM? 03.33.02 # ex PLUGIN_IRAM_DECLARE in mpegplayer 03.34.27 # TTSbox, IRAM is is the instruction cache RAM in the CPU. It's basically very fast RAM which should be used for frequently used functions and data. 03.34.55 # There's only a small amount of it though, so you need to mark your code to tell the linker what parts to put in IRAM. 03.36.01 # Thnx... hmm, OK, not to worry now then... future work 03.36.12 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 03.38.04 # i have sad news :( 03.38.10 # kermit will be leaving the build server pool 03.42.07 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 03.53.40 Quit w0rd54 (Client Quit) 03.54.05 Join w0rd54 [0] (i=blackdev@100mbit.top-site.us) 04.06.54 Join godzirra [0] (n=shawn@cpe-069-134-238-130.nc.res.rr.com) 04.07.14 # Heya guys... I've got a new sansa e280, and I have some questions. First, it says it runs on the e200 series, I assume that includes the e280? 04.07.32 # My second question is that it says that you DONT have to install a new bootloader, then further down the page it says you do. Iassume you do? 04.09.10 # godzirra: yes, the e280 is part of the e200 series.. and what page has that conflicting information? either way, you should follow the instructions step by step and it should work fine. 04.11.35 # godzirra: did you read carefully? there are 2 bootloaders, the sansa bootloader (which you can't get rid of) loads the rockbox bootloader 04.12.18 # Yeah, i see that... I guess its not technically conflicting, but it is somewhat confusing 04.12.26 # since it specifically says you dont need to instasll a new bootloader, then it says you do ;) 04.13.00 Quit PaulJam (".") 04.13.02 # Im sure this question has been asked a hundred times but I was wondering if there is anyone actually working on compatibility with creative zen players? 04.13.06 # i thought it was quite clear, it outlines the 3 parts to a working installation, then tells you that you need to install 2 of the 3 04.13.27 # * godzirra shrugs. I guess its a matter of opinion then. I dont think its that clear. ;) 04.25.08 # I see 04.30.56 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 04.34.19 Join Febs_ [0] (n=chatzill@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 04.34.21 Nick Febs_ is now known as Febs (n=chatzill@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 04.42.23 # asker, there's no active development work no. Lots of talk though. 04.48.05 # yeah 04.48.12 # thanks 05.02.56 Quit rotator () 05.04.24 # Soap: you still using colinux? 05.04.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.11.38 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 05.13.09 # aye 05.13.45 # i was typing a response, but he left 05.18.13 Quit Guile` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.25.29 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 05.43.30 Join woodensoul [0] (n=noneofya@72.86.67.16) 05.44.21 Join brne_ [0] (n=bernie@125.124.47.97) 05.45.13 # Hey all. I've followed the instructions on the wiki describing how to encode files for video playback through rockbox, but I'm running into problems because the source files are 5 channel audio I think. 05.47.51 # Have the Gigabeat F40. 05.49.40 # Tried the VLC-transcode.bat method. 05.55.47 Quit secleinteer (Remote closed the connection) 05.59.15 Quit asker (Remote closed the connection) 06.02.49 # Trying the MediaCoder method now. 06.05.25 Join secleinteer [0] (n=scl@70.230.178.188) 06.11.02 # you don't talk at all? 06.11.02 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.11.04 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 06.11.30 Quit woodensoul () 06.13.24 Part brne_ ("Leaving") 06.15.36 Join woodensoul [0] (n=noneofya@72.86.67.16) 06.17.49 Quit Nibbier (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.18.26 Join Nibbier [0] (n=sven@e181116238.adsl.alicedsl.de) 06.29.24 Join Transience [0] (n=Transien@cpe-72-226-77-95.nycap.res.rr.com) 06.34.02 Quit donutman25 ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]") 06.34.17 Quit Transience ("Leaving.") 06.59.58 Join printfXh4 [0] (n=pseudo@ppp121-45-221-252.lns2.bne1.internode.on.net) 07.02.39 # It appears that the instructions for MediaCoder on the wiki are incomplete. Does anyone know what settings must be changed? 07.03.36 Quit JdGordon ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 07.05.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.05.38 # anyone know where set_irq_level is defined? 07.05.46 # i can't seem to find it... 07.06.36 Quit flamm () 07.07.46 Join woodensouldesk [0] (n=woodenso@72.86.67.16) 07.08.41 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 07.19.18 Join homielowe [0] (n=chatzill@66.183.75.253) 07.19.44 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.20.03 # * homielowe just one an auction for a Jiggabeat S on ebay for $78 USD \o/ 07.20.43 # zhiggabeat... 07.20.58 # S60 that is 07.21.15 # link? 07.21.25 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 07.21.33 Join Transience [0] (n=Transien@cpe-72-226-77-95.nycap.res.rr.com) 07.22.05 # http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120139832320 07.22.35 # It needs alittle repair but I'm handy 07.22.59 # just one = just won? 07.23.11 # good luck 07.23.13 # woops 07.23.25 # How do you encode your video files for it? 07.23.36 # ptw419, it's going to be somewhere under firmware. grep is your friend 07.23.37 # I have 2 F40s, one was brand new and $70. 07.24.22 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.25.01 Quit woodensoul () 07.25.22 Nick woodensouldesk is now known as woodensoul (n=woodenso@72.86.67.16) 07.25.45 # i just got one for 65 07.25.51 # an S that is 07.26.00 # working? 07.26.05 # so it says 07.26.24 # do you snipe to get those prices? 07.26.28 # does the s series have a bigger screen than the f? 07.26.33 # So what's the best device to run Rockbox on? A gigabeat? 07.26.40 # it was on ebay. there were two early starting on 9.99 07.26.50 # i don't know why, but i jumped on it 07.27.20 # but Rockbox doesn't work on S yet 07.27.23 # right 07.27.23 # i guess either the seller had no idea, or maybe there is some unmentioned catch... 07.27.23 # ? 07.27.50 # TTSbox: it's being worked on atm 07.28.15 # congrats... I hope you can fix that mono problem easily 07.28.49 # Does anyone know how to encode video files for the gigabeat f? 07.29.49 # woodensoul: do you mean original firmware or rockbox? 07.29.57 # Rockbox 07.30.35 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.30.58 # I suggest reading the wiki or searching rockbox.org before asking questions on the IRC, but heres the wiki link http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer 07.31.07 # I didn't realize that the OF played videos. You can dual boot anyhow. 07.31.18 # I have read and followed those instructions. 07.31.42 # I tried the VLC method, and now am trying the MediaCoder method with no results. 07.31.52 # *can't dual boot* 07.32.28 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 07.37.02 # No noe has any recommendations? 07.37.07 # *No one 07.38.55 # I finished transcoding an .avi and when attempting to play it through rockbox, it froze with a black screen. 07.39.09 # Davo_Dinkum: hard to say. i've heard the gigabeats run it great. 07.39.18 # by far the fastest processor, great screen and audio quality.. 07.39.35 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.40.42 # The only drawback for the gigabeat is that it doesn't record or have FM radio. 07.40.53 # And no one can tell me how to transcode videos for it. 07.41.08 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 07.41.09 # I do like the touch sensitive control too. 07.41.17 # on the gigabeat? 07.41.20 # yes 07.41.24 # woodensoul: have you followed the instructions on the wiki? 07.41.33 # Davo_Dinkum: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide 07.42.07 # I have followed the instructions for the VLC method and am also trying the MediaCoder method but the instructions for that method don't say anything about settings. 07.44.03 # ah thanks 07.44.20 # There are a lot of settings and it takes almost half an hour to encode one 24 episode for testing. 07.44.54 Join Kikko [0] (n=Kikko@75-131-174-111.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com) 07.45.01 # hey 07.45.07 # can someone answer a quick question of mine 07.45.19 # i came to rockbox simply because i want a dap to play flac 07.45.27 # and i am going on a trip tommarow 07.45.39 # and is there a way to put this thing into sleep? 07.45.47 # i know in iplinux it was impossible 07.45.52 # you just had to shut it down 07.45.57 # woodensoul: then use a smaller file for tests? 07.46.20 # Kikko: no, no "sleep". 07.46.28 # wow 07.46.31 # it shouldn't take long to boot, though.. depending on the model you use. 07.46.38 # so its not really a function player yet 07.46.42 # sleep will simply drain the battery unnecessarily. 07.46.44 # a function player? 07.46.49 # functional sorry 07.47.01 # do i just leave it on the entire time? 07.47.13 # you can shut it down... 07.47.20 # it's incredibly functional. we just choose not to have a sleep mode. 07.47.27 # hmm 07.47.30 # but when i shut it down 07.47.30 # you turn it off when you don't use it. just like almost every other electronic device in the world. 07.47.32 # it reboots 07.47.43 # when i hold play it just reboots 07.47.47 # Sleep is only for slow-booting original firmwares 07.48.01 # hold play/pause...dont use the restart combination 07.48.02 # Rockbox boots fast, so not much need for sleep mode 07.48.08 # i am 07.48.13 # when i hold play/pause 07.48.18 # it says "shutting down" 07.48.22 # and goes to the reboot logo 07.48.26 # the apple logo mind me 07.48.44 # odd... make sure you release the play button when the "shutting down" splash appears. 07.48.56 # if you continue holding it, the release event may trigger a startup.. 07.49.18 # aha 07.49.22 # i found the issue 07.49.32 # i was plugged in, for fucks sake why didnt i see that 07.49.39 # haha. 07.49.47 # * scorche was about to suggest that, but figured it couldnt be that... 07.50.03 # yeah, its one of those "are you sure its plugged in" moments 07.50.16 # im so happy to finally have a dap that plays flac, though 07.50.22 # it crowd 07.50.36 # What's "SVN build"? 07.50.38 # linux on the ipod was completely dissapoiting; it focused on gimmick rather than functionality 07.50.51 # davina: a build from SVN 07.51.09 # SVN being 07.51.12 # scorche: you mean Davo_Dinkum... 07.51.13 # Kikko: no...it just has a different philosophy...it isnt meant as a music player 07.51.14 # sub version number? 07.51.19 # subversion 07.51.29 Part Kikko 07.51.29 # oh ok 07.51.32 # i get it 07.51.32 # midgey: yes 07.51.45 # haha. 07.51.49 # what a tab-completion newb. 07.52.04 # he isnt even in the channel..i had to type it out to make the joke work => 07.52.14 Join Kikko [0] (n=Kikko@75-131-174-111.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com) 07.52.17 # even bigger newb! 07.52.19 # ok so heres my issue now 07.52.41 # my computer recognized my ipod as an unrecognized device 07.52.50 # so it doesnt detect it as a mass storage drive 07.52.54 # are you in disc mode? 07.52.59 # yes 07.53.01 # recognized it as unrecognized? haha. 07.53.07 # technically, yes 07.53.13 # because a bubble popped up 07.53.15 # ;) 07.53.50 # haha. nice to see you're using the technical term "bubble"! 07.54.03 # yeah 07.54.13 # i like to experiment with the tech lingo 07.54.19 # haha. 07.54.23 # say i wasnt in disk mode 07.54.26 # how would i change it? 07.55.01 # reboot with menu + select, then go into disc mode with select + play as soon as it reboots 07.56.55 # menu and select? 07.57.10 # selct=middle button 07.57.10 # at the same time 07.57.16 # *select 07.57.21 # not working 07.57.26 # menu and play/pause works though 07.57.58 # you have to hold menu and select at the same time for five full seconds. 07.58.33 # well this is extradinarily frustrating 07.58.54 # well, you don't have to. you could turn it off with play/pause and then turn it back on and then hold select+play for disk mode. 07.59.25 # its not letting me into disk mode 07.59.31 # when i hold select and play 07.59.44 # you have to do it quick, as soon as the apple logo displays. 07.59.46 # it goes to a rockbox bootloader Loading Linux... Error! 08.00.03 # that only happens if you just hold play... 08.00.37 # perhaps my select button is not regestering 08.01.18 # well the select button works while in rockbox 08.01.22 # but no other commands are working 08.01.55 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.01.58 # all i can say is it sounds like you're doing it too late. 08.02.12 # as *soon* as you turn it on or restart it, the select and play buttons need to be held together until disk mode comes up. 08.02.17 Join Nick_Brackley [0] (i=7dff0332@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8acecdf0b860453b) 08.02.18 # not when the backlight comes on, or the rockbox logo appears. 08.02.23 # but immediately. 08.02.31 # i understand completely 08.02.33 # one second 08.03.36 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 08.03.47 # not working 08.03.54 # i am using a 3g btw 08.03.59 # if that is an issue 08.04.22 # Kikko: odd, i'm not sure why that would be. i wasn't aware of the 3Gs working differently, this is how it's done on the ones with click wheels. 08.05.25 # AHA! 08.05.26 # i gotcha 08.05.28 # with the 3g 08.05.33 # it is rewind and reverse 08.05.41 # *forward 08.05.42 # ugh 08.05.47 # on 3Gs, menu + play is reset and hold the...yeah..you got it.. 08.05.52 # ah, there you go. 08.05.54 # haha thank you 08.06.24 # no problem. that's how it's done. 08.06.43 # alright guys, its late, thanks for the help 08.06.46 Part Kikko 08.07.44 Quit woodensoul () 08.07.59 Join Kikko [0] (n=Kikko@75-131-174-111.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com) 08.08.03 # 1 more quick question 08.08.07 # where should i drop my FLAC files 08.08.28 # wherever you want them.. 08.08.35 # alright 08.08.40 # can i make a new directory? 08.08.45 # it'll all be the same if you use the database, or you can use the file browser.. 08.08.55 # sure, the file browser works just like on a PC. 08.08.59 # alright 08.09.01 # folder and file structure is left intact. 08.09.05 # last question, i promise, good night 08.09.06 # so sort however you want it to appear. 08.09.08 Part Kikko 08.09.13 # haha. 08.12.37 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF6A8F.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.13.26 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.14.52 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 08.18.29 # does anyone know how to use directMTP? 08.23.18 Join webguest44 [0] (i=47a0ace3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-740c2f0c3e1dd9a3) 08.24.18 Quit webguest44 (Client Quit) 08.25.52 Part toffe82 08.32.35 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@host.91-92-172-170.airbites.bg) 08.44.16 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B1623A.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.50.12 # does anyone know how to use directMTP? 08.52.00 # I don't 08.52.20 Part safetydan 08.53.40 # * Davo_Dinkum dances 08.54.04 # Both of these 4th gen ipods are working now 08.54.05 # Transience: what are you working on? 08.54.11 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 08.54.39 Join GodEater_ [0] (n=bryan@bb-87-80-121-64.ukonline.co.uk) 08.55.36 # the ZVM port 08.55.37 Quit My_Sic (Client Quit) 08.56.03 # i modified a null block in the firmware 08.56.17 # so i'm testing to see wether the player checksums the null blocks or not 08.56.29 # if the player accepts 08.56.45 # then i know that the player isn't checksumming the entire firmware file 08.57.07 # i just can't figure out how to use directMTP to upload a firmware file 08.57.42 Quit printfXh4 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.59.41 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c58-109-97-210.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au) 09.00.10 Part Transience 09.01.51 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.03.12 Join lukaswayne9 [0] (n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 09.03.25 Quit crashmatrix (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.04.04 Join crashmatrix [0] (n=crashmat@s5590785f.adsl.wanadoo.nl) 09.05.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.06.07 Join _Guest16433 [0] (n=Tr1ckY@0x573c22fa.bynqu2.broadband.tele.dk) 09.14.16 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.dsl.t-2.net) 09.19.07 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 09.20.38 Part kaaloo 09.23.24 Quit Guest16433 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.23.34 Nick _Guest16433 is now known as Guest16433 (n=Tr1ckY@0x573c22fa.bynqu2.broadband.tele.dk) 09.24.23 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.25.01 Join DarthShrine [0] (n=Angus@pdpc/supporter/student/DarthShrine) 09.25.12 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@148.32.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 09.25.30 # Anyone know what "error: invalid type argument of 'unary *'" means? 09.26.04 # you're trying to dereference something that isn't a pointer? 09.26.04 # Never mind - it looks like it just meant "stupid mistake" 09.26.09 # Exactly 09.30.45 Join Butsumetsu [0] (n=wqd@124.104.150.68) 09.31.09 # neone online? 09.31.22 # 122 09.31.28 # o.O 09.31.32 # besides you 09.31.37 # yep 09.31.43 # and logbot ;) 09.31.49 # lol ic o.O 09.32.05 # petur: no...there are only 123 on 09.32.15 # just wanted to ask if anyone got links explaining the features in hardware eq cuz i cant find it on wiki 09.32.21 # I already removed logbot 09.32.22 # Does Rockbox completely replace the firmware on ipods? 09.32.35 # Davo_Dinkum: yes 09.32.53 # Davo_Dinkum: it is meant to, but it leaves the original firmware intact 09.33.01 # Davo_Dinkum: but it is dual boot, you can still start apple os 09.33.26 Join kretender [0] (n=Kaspar@131.95.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 09.33.37 # I'd rather completely replace the Apple OS 09.33.53 # The firmware is actually installed on the hard drive, isn't it? (both the apple and rockboc firmware) 09.33.54 # that requires a bit more work with basically no benefit 09.34.04 # How much more work? 09.34.11 # why would you want to? 09.34.11 # Butsumetsu: I can tell what you're asking, do you want information about the hardware features of supported rockbox targets? 09.34.27 # more like hardware eq on ipod 09.34.30 # s/can/cant 09.34.41 # I'd rather not have any non-free software running on my ipod 09.34.54 # Butsumetsu: still not quite sure what you mean...it is an EQ...only the low and top shelves work though 09.35.04 # aahh ic 09.35.29 # Butsumetsu: and sorry, I didn't see the "eq" word in your original question 09.35.44 # Davo_Dinkum: well, for the moment you would need to keep at least disk mode there, as we dont have a USB mode for the ipods yet 09.35.50 # well what i meant is I wanna know what the increase/decrease in db does and the hz in the cutoff does 09.35.56 # np hcs thx neway ^^ 09.36.11 # those are parts of pretty much any decent EQ 09.36.24 # you will want to google/wikipedia that information =) 09.36.25 Quit idnar (Nick collision from services.) 09.36.27 Join idnar_ [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 09.36.37 # So when running Rockbox, the ipod cant connect as a USB mass storage device? 09.36.48 # yea i thought i might end up doing so but cant hurt to ask here 09.37.00 # Davo_Dinkum: we currently boot into the ipod's emergency disk mode 09.37.00 # u can use software n hardware eq together right? 09.37.18 # :/ 09.37.19 # if you really wanted to... 09.37.23 Join linuxstb [0] (i=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 09.37.28 # To transfer music to the ipod? 09.37.37 # and do anything through USB, yes 09.37.40 # oh ok 09.40.50 Part dan_a 09.41.03 # Davo_Dinkum: Rockbox completely replaces the main Apple firmware (stored on the hard disk), although the default install method is to keep it available via dual-boot. The parts of the Apple firmware in flash (the first-stage bootloader, emergency disk mode) are untouched (and Rockbox doesn't yet have the ability to replace them, although it does run from flash on some other devices). 09.41.27 # afaik rockbox boots a bit faster with apple os removed (?) 09.42.56 Quit DarthShrine (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.43.07 # Yes, the default install appends the Rockbox bootloader to the main Apple firmware image on disk - so the first-stage bootloader loads both to RAM. You can either move the appleos to a file (so you keep dual-boot), or just remove it completely. 09.43.23 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host80-214-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 09.45.02 # T___T soooo many options to play with 09.49.06 # So a different music player would be best if I wanted only free software running on it 09.49.29 # linuxstb: Thanks, that was very informative 09.50.51 Quit Luis (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.52.20 # Davo_Dinkum: Yes, currently just the iriver H100 series and some of the older Archos devices can be flashed with Rockbox (meaning 100% free). I would expect it to come on other devices, such as the iriver H300 and gigabeat at some point though. 09.52.30 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.52.58 # linuxstb: you understand all the words here right ? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/15/nchaps115.xml 09.53.03 # scorche: says it's not in english 09.53.16 # =) 09.58.07 # markun: ping! 09.58.50 # GodEater_: It's not the type of English I hear every day in the streets of South-East London... 09.59.11 # that's not the point ! 09.59.24 # linuxstb: if you havent seen it due to the web client, i sent you a PM =) 09.59.26 # Bagder: around? 10.06.16 Quit kretender (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.06.55 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC") 10.11.10 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 10.11.56 # linuxstb: Btw, the USB problem on ipods seems to be cache related 10.12.13 # During my experiments with disabled cache, it *always* worked 10.12.49 # petur: pong 10.13.21 Quit Party-boy ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 10.13.57 # amiconn: You mean the freezing when attempting to enter USB mode? 10.18.44 # yes 10.22.52 # markun: you know today is the last day for midterm eval? 10.23.18 # http://code.google.com/soc/2007/rockbox/open.html 10.24.17 # :/ 10.24.37 # I managed to find *one* iriver h100 series player on ebay 10.24.43 # petur: hm, yes 10.24.51 Join idnar [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 10.25.03 # ozgur sent me the code he has written so far today 10.25.20 # markun: and another question: how many bytes are used to store a unicode char from a lang file like korean? 10.25.46 # 3 I think 10.26.09 # markun: ok, that's what I discovered... 10.26.30 Nick Tr1ckY^Gone is now known as Tr1ckY (n=Tr1ckY@0x535b39aa.ronxx2.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) 10.27.16 # petur: Such odd buffer lengths should be avoid imo. Rather use 16 10.27.38 # amiconn: yes, I should have.... 10.29.57 # I'll fix it tonight if nobody does so before me 10.32.46 Quit idnar_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.45.05 Join safetydan [0] (n=dan@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 10.46.51 Join Lynx_ [0] (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 10.51.18 Join obo [0] (n=obo@host217-41-62-170.in-addr.btopenworld.com) 10.51.48 # amiconn: When do you experience the USB freezes? Is it just at startup, or can it be during normal use? I've only experienced problems when inserting USB at (or very shortly after) startup. 10.53.11 # Can happen anytime 10.53.36 Join jonno [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 10.53.38 # With my iPod 5.5G 30GB I've this freezees also in normal use. 10.53.42 # I get it in the majority of usb connect attempts, but it varies a bit between builds (in an unpredictable way) 10.55.11 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 10.57.48 # bluebrother: you said in the logs the time screen is unusable on the remote with large fonts.... got a better idea than just chanign the font to the sysfont (which it should be doing)? 10.57.54 Nick jonno is now known as JdGordon (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 10.59.02 # JdGordon: The goal is that no user screen ever uses the sysfont 10.59.07 # JdGordon: can't the screen makde scrollable? 10.59.14 # * pixelma would love to see independent fonts for remote and main screen 10.59.30 # * amiconn pings markun and asks about the font caching rework again 10.59.37 # yes yes :) 10.59.44 # i.e. if it doesn't fit just add a scrollbar? 10.59.49 # amiconn: of course, but when the screen would fit with the sysfont and not the ui font its the best option 11.00.08 # bluebrother: I dont tihnk that would feel very nice to the user 11.00.39 # why not? Better than defaulting to some small font as some users might dislike / have problems with reading 11.00.53 # lists are scrollable too ;-) 11.01.03 # not enough buttons.... 11.01.17 # left/right changes items, up/down adjusts option... 11.01.22 # what would move screen be? 11.01.45 # the h100 remote has buttons left ;-) 11.01.55 # but yes, that's an issue. 11.01.56 # left/right would scroll - if the item isn't on the screen? 11.02.30 # the problem is the help part of the screen sint shown, which imo isnt a problem 11.03.24 # JdGordon: No its not. The sysfont can't be used to display non-latin characters 11.03.37 # thats a seperate issue... but yeah 11.04.04 # now, if we had viewports which could handle scrolling without extra code.... that woudl be sweet 11.04.53 # Viewports have nothing to do with scrolling lists or screens 11.04.59 # :D 11.05.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.05.08 # they could though.... 11.05.25 # the vp could be fully drawn to, but only a small bit of it is actually on the screen 11.05.26 # well, the time / date screen could also work a bit different: 11.05.35 # No they couldn't 11.05.36 # use left / right / up / down to navigate 11.05.47 # We won't reserve a buffer bigger than the screen 11.05.50 # then press select over the item you want to change. 11.06.12 # and accept the changes with play, or add a "accept" item to select 11.06.16 # same for cancelling 11.06.42 # it might even be better to spli the screen into 2, one for time and one for date 11.07.01 # btw, the screen also fails with really large fonts. Just tried ter28 11.07.16 # fails how? 11.07.19 # you only see parts of it -- i.e. only the time (talking about main unit) 11.07.33 # because its too wide? 11.07.36 # yes. 11.07.55 # * JdGordon is open to suggestions how to fix that... 11.08.00 # changing to sys font would be better 11.08.29 # not sure if anybody ever uses a font of that size on the h100 ... 11.09.22 # the date could be repesented as digits only. That would make it similarly wide as the time 11.09.56 # unfortunately this adds the possibility of confusion because of the different date formatting depending on region ... 11.10.46 # amiconn: care to comment here ? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=11502.15 11.13.42 # * linuxstb wonders how fast usb disk mode will be in Rockbox when it's implemented... 11.15.41 # * petur wonders where austriancoder hangs out 11.17.58 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp237-52.adsl.forthnet.gr) 11.20.46 # oh, would there be any objection to splitting up screens.c to 1 file per screen? 11.20.57 # and if so, should they go in apps/gui/ ? or just apps/? 11.23.55 # when does GSoC finish officially ? 11.24.41 # JdGordon: Changing to sysfont is a no-no. Sysfont usage needs to be constrained to debug screens and severe error messages 11.25.03 # GodEater_: http://code.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=60325&topic=10729 11.25.08 # We need to get rid of those LANG_SYSFONT_* language file entries 11.25.36 # amiconn: I understand, but really, when the option is possibly unusable screen V efinatly unusable screen it makes sense to change fonts 11.25.52 # we need multifonts... 11.26.20 # petur: ah, I see your need to speak to austriancoder today then ;) 11.27.01 # GodEater_: only markun has some work to do 11.27.25 # don't know if you have access to this: http://code.google.com/soc/2007/rockbox/open.html 11.27.40 # * JdGordon back in an hour or so 11.27.54 # petur: no - it just assumes I'm applying to be a mentor 11.27.59 # perhaps you could screenshot it ;) 11.28.19 # * petur guesses Bagder did the midterm eval for preglow 11.29.46 # GodEater_: that page just says that only TTS still needs midterm evaluation, the other three are done 11.30.47 # btw, what happened to tts? Haven't heard of it since a while ... 11.31.04 # I was just going to ask that ;) 11.32.49 # see ^^^ 11.34.16 # He popped in here earlier, but no, he's not around much. 11.36.58 # amiconn: I don't know if you caught it in the logs, but r13763 seems to break the bootloader on ipod 5gs - it behaves as if the RB bootloader wasn't installed 11.39.15 # ? 11.39.35 # gregj: Regarding your ipod photo problems - are you still experiencing them? I didn't see a reply to my question asking you if you were using the official bootloader, or one you compiled yourself from current SVN. 11.40.37 # the official one 11.40.57 # I didn't made it to london on sunday, I hope you guys had a great time :) 11.41.03 # r138763..r13810 shouldn't be used for anything on PP5021/22/24 targets 11.41.50 # *r13763..r13810 11.41.55 # * gregj is on 13913 11.42.13 # And I don't know what the bootloader has to do with it... 11.42.16 # updated this morning, so far so good - will see 11.43.25 # amiconn: building a bootloader with 13762 works... 13763 just boots straight to OF, nothing when holding right. 11.43.49 # That's an invalid test 11.43.58 # besides, who builds svn bootloaders? 11.44.14 # Well, we need to keep an eye on them and make sure they still work... 11.44.16 # just me it seems... 11.44.25 # Use r13810 or later then 11.44.28 # I did a binary search back when I found the latest SVN wasn't working 11.44.48 # what is holding right supposed to do ? 11.45.04 # Display messages - the ones that used to be shown all the time 11.45.17 # ah 11.45.25 # another undocumented feature ? 11.45.33 # The bootloader doesn't touch the pll iirc 11.47.11 Join Entasis [0] (n=Jarred@ppp121-45-166-156.lns11.adl2.internode.on.net) 11.50.36 Quit Nick_Brackley ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 11.54.18 Join Nutt3r [0] (n=Nutter@AC8E5CEC.ipt.aol.com) 11.57.09 # Is the Archos Jukebox series physically bigger than the iRiver H100 series? 11.58.46 # Davo_Dinkum: yes 11.59.18 # Davo_Dinkum: the archos uses a 2.5" disk, irivers use 1.8" 12.00.06 # That's what I thought 12.00.23 # The jukebox line would be substantially bigger then 12.01.09 # it's noticeably larger yes 12.01.12 Part maffe 12.01.19 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 12.01.31 # Davo_Dinkum: planning to buy one? 12.01.48 # which one? 12.01.56 # i might get a h100 12.02.04 # h140 if i can 12.02.20 # h140 is a bit bigger than the h120 12.02.30 # Why's that? 12.02.35 # 2 platter hdd 12.02.41 # ah ok 12.02.46 # adds 3mm in thickness 12.02.48 # it's ever so slightly thicker 12.02.56 # 3mm isnt much 12.02.57 # not much no 12.04.06 # i cant find any locally on ebay though 12.04.12 # only in US and UK 12.04.31 # do people sell players in the rockbox forums? 12.04.56 # well i found one interstate 12.05.42 # You might have some luck in at http://misticriver.net/forums.php 12.05.45 Join nick89 [0] (i=nick89@c220-237-70-197.kelvn1.qld.optusnet.com.au) 12.07.20 # hmm i need to sign up though :/ 12.08.12 # I can login and check for you 12.08.32 # really? thanks 12.08.35 # that would help 12.08.49 Quit nekura42 (Remote closed the connection) 12.09.05 # please do 12.09.12 # Davo_Dinkum: yes, there is a H140 for sale 12.09.22 # where's it located? 12.09.27 # and so far nobody has shown any interest 12.09.35 # 0_o] 12.09.39 # wonder why 12.10.20 # texas 12.10.28 # :/ 12.10.40 # where do you live? 12.10.52 # other side of the world 12.10.54 # australia 12.11.35 # Any in aus? 12.12.02 # Davo_Dinkum: when searching (ebay, ...) also search for iHP120 iHP140 , a shop called roadpal has several for sale 12.12.49 # roadpal is on ebay US? 12.13.20 Quit Butsumetsu ("-=SysReset 2.53=-") 12.13.54 # hmmm can't find them anymore :( 12.14.02 # heh ok 12.14.17 # one h140 in the US though 12.14.41 # how come i found him? http://myworld.ebay.com.au/roadpal/ 12.14.56 # roadpal is US though 12.15.30 # Davo_Dinkum: what do you want to do with your player? If you don't care about recording and radio a Gigabeat F40 is probably a lot cheaper and easier to get in australia 12.16.32 # Davo_Dinkum: I meant the iHP140 that roadpal had for sale, there were several last week, but the news went fast on taperssection, maybe they already sold out 12.16.45 # petur: Oh OK 12.16.52 # they must be popular then 12.17.27 # markun: I want one that can have rockbox replace all of the firmware on it, so it's all free software. 12.17.43 # buy a Gigabeat and help us replace the firmware then :) 12.17.49 # it's doable 12.17.49 # Although I understand that the gigabeat will be able to run only rockbox soon 12.18.00 Quit gantrixx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.19.10 # might be soon, might not be soon, impossible to say with rockbox development 12.19.17 # hmm yeah 12.19.32 # makes me hesatant to buy one 12.19.44 # markun: Do you know if kkurbjun has got as far as writing data to the flash? 12.20.01 # linuxstb: I'm not sure 12.20.57 # am I allowed to sell ipods in the rockbox forums? 12.20.58 # * GodEater_ would love a non-Toshiba bootloader on his GB too 12.21.09 # * markun too 12.21.54 # Davo_Dinkum: I wouldn't mind, but ask llorean before he deletes your posts 12.22.06 # ah ok 12.22.14 # but he's not here now 12.22.41 # might just pop them on ebay 12.22.50 # I've seen people sell things before on our forums - it just doesn't happen v. often 12.23.01 # you could just PM Llorean before posting 12.23.16 # ah so you dont have a regular buy/sell/trade section then 12.23.25 # No 12.23.48 # forums mods probably have their hands full already 12.24.38 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 12.24.44 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 12.25.05 # as far as I know Llorean he wouldn't mind replying you with a short "go ahead" or "please don't" ;-) 12.25.28 # i would have to get an account first anyway 12.25.28 # * bluebrother hopes he hasn't introduced new problems with the rbutil fix and heads of for food 12.27.15 # Davo_Dinkum: I remember the issue of a buy/sell forum being discussed in the past, but I think the conclusion was that it wasn't worth the effort. People seem to post items for sale to the mailing list occasionally though, so I'm sure you could do that. 12.27.52 Join Febs_ [0] (n=chatzill@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 12.27.54 Nick Febs_ is now known as Febs (n=chatzill@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 12.28.00 Quit hcs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.31.20 # Why are you guys so nice in here? 12.31.30 # Where's the "RTFM"? 12.31.33 Quit nick89 (Client Quit) 12.31.35 # lol 12.31.51 # im kidding keep it up 12.32.24 # Davo_Dinkum: I don't think you've asked a question answered in the manual... 12.32.29 # Anyone with the an iPod video want to test http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7440 for me? 12.32.30 Join nick89 [0] (i=nick89@c220-237-70-197.kelvn1.qld.optusnet.com.au) 12.32.36 # linuxstb: Fair enough 12.32.43 Quit nick89 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.33.20 # safetydan: If no-one else does, I'll give it a shot this evening (EU time) 12.33.24 # is rockbox for ipod nano 2g being worked on? 12.33.36 # Nutt3r: not at the moment 12.33.58 # :( 12.34.03 Join mbr [0] (n=mbr@p3EE0621F.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.34.11 # Nutt3r: some people are talking about it in here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6518.0 12.34.13 # linuxstb, cheers 12.34.20 # but I don't think anyone has made any real progress 12.35.06 # that's too bad 12.35.14 # guess i'll keep an eye on it 12.36.07 # Nutt3r: Don't hold your breath... 12.36.14 # zune-linux.com now gives: "Server not found" 12.36.36 # just when they were doing so well 12.36.50 # they even had decided on a distro 12.37.09 # What's going to entertain us now? 12.37.37 # wasn't there a linux for nano 2g project? :) 12.37.59 # http://www.linux4nano.org/ 12.38.37 # but maybe they are really serious about doing some actual work 12.39.01 # that's no fun :) 12.43.02 Join anonymous_ [0] (n=gantry@ip24-251-36-103.ph.ph.cox.net) 12.44.06 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 12.48.34 Part The-Compiler ("Connection reseted by god") 12.54.43 Part maffe 12.55.03 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 12.57.58 # Bagder: around? 13.00.15 # markun: they sound quite serious 13.02.53 # ooh they changed their site 13.04.20 # I wonder why they're so focused on Linux though... 13.05.01 # linuxstb, it's what all the cool kids port to things 13.05.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.05.12 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 13.05.16 # you're thinking maybe QNX linuxstb ? :) 13.05.34 # I'm thinking maybe a little firmware dedicated to running on DAPs... 13.05.57 # hehe 13.06.24 # is there evidence the Nano 2G is ARM9 based? 13.06.44 # I know it's not PP anymore - but didn't know the Samsung chip was ARM9 13.07.26 # I was super impressed by the floppy demo of QNX when I saw it a few years ago 13.07.51 Quit Nutt3r ("I r quitting!") 13.08.06 # GodEater_: it probably is http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SamsungSA58 13.08.33 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6518.msg50578#msg50578 13.08.55 # markun: yeah I liked QNX too 13.09.03 # hrm...getting to be almost a year since then... 13.09.05 # a small OS on a 1.44mb floppy? 13.10.28 # midkay: yes, including a graphical interface with a internet browser, it really was amazing 13.11.09 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.11.30 # midkay: here you see some screenshots: http://toastytech.com/guis/qnxdemo.html 13.11.37 # markun: that's nothing, i recently compressed windows vista to run on a 360KB floppy. of course i stripped away some of its unnecessary features, but i was able to boil it down pretty easily to its core components. you would boot the floppy and get a blue screen. it even saved the hassle of installation! 13.13.25 # * safetydan kind of misses Workbench and the Amiga OS 13.14.49 # Years later and many gigahertz more things still don't feel as snappy as my old Amiga 2000 13.15.03 # markun: Can you help this person? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=11603.0 It looks like he's running an old bootloader, in which case he needs to press a magic button to enter USB mode, but I forget which... 13.15.19 # MENU I think 13.15.33 # but there are not many buttons, to try anyway, might also be A 13.15.56 # But doesn't one button restore the original firmware? 13.16.03 # Something you don't want... 13.16.08 # (or do you want that?) 13.16.21 # I'll check the old bootloader source 13.16.24 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 13.20.05 # linuxstb: should I have mentioned rbutil? 13.20.13 Join DrMoos [0] (i=moos@m21.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 13.21.28 # linuxstb: anything you can do for this guy? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=11364.0 13.21.29 # markun: I don't know - I haven't tried rbutil for a while, so don't know it's current state. 13.22.30 # markun: Just that he follows the instructions onscreen... - MENU+SELECT to reboot and SELECT+PLAY for disk mode. He's obviously doing it wrongly. 13.22.54 # I assume as he hasn't come back after two weeks, that he's fixed it. 13.23.28 # Anyone with H10 knowledge around? 13.25.33 # yay :) /me has a working sh gcc agaimn 13.29.25 Quit lukaswayne9 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.29.37 # I would like to know the differences between the various models. Are MTP and UMS models fixed, or is the behaviour changeable by flashing the other firmware? 13.30.07 # And is it correct that the 'H10 pure' lacks the radio but is the same otherwise? 13.32.34 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 13.32.38 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp252-223.adsl.forthnet.gr) 13.33.07 # GodEater_: do you know http://www.linux4nano.org/ ? 13.33.21 Quit petur (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.33.55 # Nico_P: how do you mean ? 13.34.06 # it's what we were just talking about 13.34.12 # oh sorry 13.34.43 # I arrived when you were asking if it was ARM9 based 13.34.47 # * Nico_P goes read the logs 13.34.53 Join spiorf_ [0] (n=spiorf@host80-202-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 13.35.13 # Any talk of zune support? 13.35.45 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@rockbox/developer/petur) 13.35.47 # Davo_Dinkum: there is always talk... 13.35.57 # * Davo_Dinkum looks in mail archives 13.36.02 # so it seems 13.36.09 # not so much there 13.36.25 # Where? In here? 13.36.25 # anybody else having troubles connecting to irc.freenode.net on port 8000 ? 13.36.50 # here and in its thread ont he forums 13.36.50 Join petur2 [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 13.36.53 Quit petur (Nick collision from services.) 13.36.55 Nick petur2 is now known as petur (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 13.37.04 # ah ok 13.37.56 # nevermind, working again 13.38.27 # who actually manufacturers the zune? 13.38.39 # toshiba, i believe 13.38.46 # no longer... 13.38.51 # oh? 13.38.57 # they changed recently 13.39.04 # read it somewhere 13.39.25 # who manufacturers it now? 13.43.47 Join petur2 [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 13.43.50 Quit petur (Nick collision from services.) 13.43.52 Nick petur2 is now known as petur (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 13.44.14 Quit spiorf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.44.33 Quit safetydan ("Ex-Chat") 13.48.33 # Davo_Dinkum: http://www.cliczune.com/toshiba/index.html <- new manufacturer is 'Doumen' (they also build the xbox it seems) 13.49.01 # rather _in_ Doumen ;) 13.50.05 # "a chinese partner" 13.50.18 # that narrows it down 13.51.57 Join Nick_Brackley [0] (i=7dff0332@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ce06ef78edbd0b0c) 13.57.56 # Are Toshiba still making gigabeats? 13.58.04 # yes, 13.58.14 # Gigabeat V and P at least 14.01.09 Join rogelio [0] (n=rogelio@189.146.222.125) 14.04.59 # Are either of those similar to the S? 14.06.01 # The V is 14.06.16 # I think it's basically the same thing with a bigger LCD. 14.06.38 # Ah, the S has a TV-Out as well... 14.06.54 # Speaking of which, I have a datasheet for it 14.07.00 # But I don't know whether I can use it or not 14.07.14 # The datasheet isn't supposed to be public. 14.07.14 # datasheet for what? 14.07.24 # Si4701 (the FM tuner) 14.07.51 # Oh, and the Focus chip 14.08.07 # (same deal for both of them, i got momentarily lost :P ) 14.08.17 Join Febs_ [0] (n=chatzill@38.98.196.75) 14.08.18 Nick Febs_ is now known as Febs (n=chatzill@38.98.196.75) 14.08.28 # And now the lawyer arrives.... ;) 14.10.01 # remember he defends 14.10.03 # :) 14.10.30 # That's right. I'm on the good side. 14.10.47 Join Siltaar [0] (n=Siltaar@reverse-52.fdn.fr) 14.11.00 Part rogelio ("Kopete 0.12.4 : http://kopete.kde.org") 14.11.29 # Febs: What would your opinion be on using those datasheets? 14.12.29 # For a variety of reasons, I really can't give legal advice here. 14.12.38 # Fair enough. 14.12.52 # aliask: mainly cos you're not paying him ;) 14.13.03 # rofl! 14.13.06 # hahahaha 14.13.07 # :) 14.13.17 # * GodEater_ runs and hides from Febs 14.14.08 # GodEater_: Just stand by his luggage - he'll never find you... 14.14.12 # :) 14.14.16 # hahahaha 14.14.33 # did you ever get it back Febs ? 14.14.57 # It showed up at my hotel while we were at the pub. Just in time for me to have to carry it home. 14.15.15 # bah, anyone know what button to press for navi in the sim? (without the numpad?) 14.15.30 # space? 14.15.32 # 5 14.15.42 # no, and no 14.16.25 # ah, no space works :) 14.16.28 Join printfXh4 [0] (n=pseudo@ppp121-45-221-252.lns2.bne1.internode.on.net) 14.19.20 # I don't have a key labelled "no space" 14.19.51 # left of the any key 14.19.57 # so it is :) 14.20.05 # * JdGordon off to the pub to see the socceroos get shat on! 14.20.14 # O_O 14.20.25 # scat as a team sport. Whatever next. 14.20.27 Part printfXh4 ("Leaving") 14.20.30 # That's just plain un-australian :P 14.20.36 # I don't even have one labeled 'space' 14.21.57 # * GodEater_ has one of those "optimus maximus" keyboards and can label his keys anyway he pleases 14.22.25 # ? 14.22.29 # GodEater_: Got a pic? 14.22.31 # No you don't. 14.22.38 # (this is a lie, I don't really - far too much money for a mere keyboard with blinky lights in the buttons 14.22.41 # GodEater_: you paid that outrageous price?!?! 14.22.45 # hahaha 14.22.46 # suckers 14.23.00 # i was going to say..if you bought that, i ahve a number of other blinky things you might enjoy... 14.23.01 # * aliask wouldn't mind one if money wasn't an object 14.23.18 # it's a nice idea in theory - but way over priced 14.23.33 # And the concept renderings look very pretty. 14.23.42 # Most importantly. 14.23.56 # what languages is rockbox available in? 14.24.15 # quite a few...although they are all in various states of upkeep 14.24.46 # * GodEater_ needs to go and complain to the people at Pink about his shirt. Will be back later. 14.25.08 # have to wonder about someone who buys his shirts at a pace called "pink" 14.25.15 # place 14.29.48 Quit DrMoos ("back this night") 14.39.28 Quit Soap () 14.50.38 Join PaulJam [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3065.gwdg.de) 14.57.19 Quit Nick_Brackley ("CGI:IRC") 15.00.08 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@bne75-7-82-230-110-107.fbx.proxad.net) 15.00.16 Part kaaloo 15.04.17 # Thomas Pink, I'll have you know, is a very well respected London based shirt maker. 15.04.37 # although somewhat less respected by me as of this moment 15.05.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.05.20 Join Nick_Brackley [0] (i=7dff0332@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-99e4b6bea0d5c457) 15.06.10 Quit SirFunk (Connection timed out) 15.12.32 Join bdgraue [0] (n=bdgraue@dyndsl-085-016-108-025.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 15.15.06 Quit Nick_Brackley ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 15.16.02 Join Soul-Slayer [0] (n=Administ@89.241.227.147) 15.19.41 Join Butsumetsu [0] (n=wqd@124.104.150.68) 15.19.56 Join Soap [0] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 15.20.13 # just wanted to ask~ the battery timer on themes for ipod is it an fairly good estimate? 15.20.26 # no 15.20.36 # so very rough estimate then? 15.21.08 # maybe it got better by the recent commit but it may be off quite a bit... do test ;) 15.21.13 # I believe it's a complete fairy story :) 15.21.44 # hhmmm ok 15.22.03 # scared me cuz when i had 90% batt it was telling me i had 5 hrs left 15.22.29 # with no eq, load to ram or disc cache 15.22.36 # well only hardware eq 15.22.59 # Butsumetsu: only use the % indication for now 15.23.16 # will do~ 15.23.21 # thx 15.23.36 # The time remaining estimates can't really be accurate unless they are averaging out the current battery usage and calculate how long it would take to drain the battery to nothing. I'm not sure if they do this or if they just have a set average time and do it to the % battery remaining? 15.23.36 # Hrm. I'm getting "invalid lvalue in assignment" when setting a register explicitly (ie REG = 1234;), but it works if I just manipulate certain bits in the register. Is it something to do with how I defined it? 15.24.16 # how did you define it? 15.24.52 # #define EPITCR1 (*(volatile unsigned long*)EPIT1_BASE_ADDR) 15.24.54 # damn im loving this theme T_T 15.26.12 # Does anyone know which file manages that estimated time remaining feature? I didn't notice it in powermgmt.c 15.28.12 # aliask: I don't know if it matters, but the examples I've seen have more brackets - e.g. (*(volatile unsigned char *)(0xcf000000)) 15.28.27 # (probably doesn't...) 15.28.37 # Let's take a look. 15.32.05 # Ok, I added heaps of brackets and it worked. Thanks linuxstb 15.35.55 Join saratoga [0] (i=980398fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-56e6eb8c323f4012) 15.40.18 # another example of obscure C syntax for no good reason that I can see then 15.41.29 # C syntax isn't obscure... 15.42.48 # Do you know why the brackets are needed around the 0xcf000000 in my example? 15.42.56 # (assuming they are) 15.43.14 # It was actually on another register 15.43.23 # Where I added something to the base address 15.43.31 # aha 15.43.32 # Ah, then yes. 15.43.58 # It's good practice to use lots of brackets in macros... 15.44.16 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@admin-147-222.potsdam.edu) 15.44.30 # Yes, i have seen some funny examples of how it can mess things up 15.45.12 # if you create a define that is actually a combination of things, always use brackets there: #define MYDEF (0xabba + 5) 15.47.10 # aliask: What are you working on? 15.49.03 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF6A8F.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.49.44 # The gigabeat S port, currently the tick timer 15.50.21 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 15.52.44 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 15.52.45 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 15.53.13 # Do you have a status page for the port? 15.53.34 # No, we probably should though. 15.54.19 # yeah, so it can get as outdated as the rest of them 15.54.20 # :) 15.55.27 # They're normally well maintained when the port is active, but when development grinds to a halt, it's forgotten about... 15.56.19 # I just like the arbitrary "20%" done things in them - how do you measure that ;) 15.56.52 # "It's a feeling" 15.56.52 # I'm sure it made sense to someone, sometime... 15.57.25 # How would I checkout the gigabeat branch? 15.58.00 Part elch 15.58.17 # * linuxstb guessed svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/branches/gigabeat-s and it seems to be working... 15.58.19 # svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/branches/gigabeat-s gigabeat-s 15.58.40 # * aliask too slow 15.58.56 # aliask: That was the first thing I tried, and it didn't work - I needed to add "/rockbox" 15.59.23 # This Port page is just going to make people depressed... :P 15.59.30 # hahaha 15.59.46 # Nothing is better than "orange" status 15.59.51 # And even that barely works. 16.00.31 # I see a commit of a serial port driver - is that working? How do you connect it to something? 16.00.52 # linuxstb: Do you have a soldering iron and a handy max232/233 chip? 16.01.18 # If so: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/GigabeatSInfo?rev=1;filename=console_port_connection.JPG 16.02.07 # I'm still waiting for my max233 in the mail though. It'd be very useful for grabbing data before stack overflows etc. 16.02.19 # At the moment I just have to try to read VERY fast. 16.03.13 # aliask: No to both those things (and no ability with a soldering iron at all...) 16.04.20 # I have a soldering iron - but sadly a similar level of ability with it 16.07.58 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatSPort 16.08.06 # For all to despair over. 16.08.27 # You have 50% of an audio DAC driver already? 16.08.42 # The codec already has a driver in rockbox 16.08.44 # Ah, it's WM8975 compatible... 16.09.08 # Does the imx31 have a hardware microsecond timer (similar to the PP chips) ? 16.09.26 # Not that I know of (pretty sure it doesn't) 16.09.50 # I've written a driver for it at the moment, but I get a stack overflow when I do kernel_init() 16.10.02 # What's lacking in the LCD driver? I thought I saw a "hello world" screenshot? 16.10.09 # * GodEater_ is really keen to own a Gigabeat S now. 16.10.17 # We don't really understand WHY it works 16.10.30 # Maybe 1% is a bit pessimistic 16.10.38 # "we wrote to random addresses and suddenly it just happened" :) 16.10.47 # ... basically. 16.10.56 # aliask: The whole ipod port is like that.... (at least for me.) 16.11.11 # Hehe 16.11.16 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@cpe-70-113-103-34.austin.res.rr.com) 16.11.22 # * linuxstb exaggerates slightly... 16.12.22 # Llorean: Someone was around here earlier asking about posting an "ipod for sale" thread in the forums. I can't remember what was decided about that... 16.13.27 Quit andrew_ (Nick collision from services.) 16.13.30 Join andrew_ [0] (n=andrew@stjhnf0124w-142162066131.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) 16.13.32 Quit andrew_ (Nick collision from services.) 16.13.35 # GodEater_: Please buy a Gigabeat S and help out :) 16.13.54 # if I could find where to get one for not too much money... 16.14.10 # linuxstb: I personally think it's better to post to the list than to the forums, forums require maintenance of the thread as well as removing or locking it when it's done, and I also don't know what it means for the site if things are being bought/sold on it. 16.14.10 # What does ebay have to say for itself? 16.14.28 # But there's no strict rule in place yet. 16.14.52 Quit obo ("bye") 16.15.52 # GodEater_: Don't forget the Gigabeat... umm... V was it, is also a viable option I believe. 16.16.05 # Llorean: it's hardware compatible ? 16.16.14 # It's very close 16.16.21 # According to Toffe, it's nearly identical. 16.16.26 # He showed us one at DevCon 16.16.38 # * GodEater_ starts looking 16.16.44 # I wouldn't personally choose it over an S though, the "Bigger" screen is the same resolution, so it's simply blockier. 16.16.46 # * aliask doubts they'll be cheaper 16.16.48 # But I think it has a TV out? 16.16.55 # So does the gigabeat S 16.16.57 # Ah 16.17.41 # They're both 320x240? 16.17.46 # wow - I just found somewhere selling the zune in the uk - thought it was still only for sale in the US 16.17.53 # I thought the V had a bigger one, but I'm not sure 16.17.54 # linuxstb: Indeed 16.18.00 Join low_light [0] (i=c730190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-9c22aabc2d086c69) 16.18.01 # It's bigger, but not higher resolution. 16.18.08 # Much like the F is bigger than the X 16.18.20 # I'd much prefer a higher density of pixels. 16.18.21 # a 10GB Gigabeat F just sold on ebay for 35 USD 16.18.29 # The gigabeat S display is really nice. 16.18.33 # somehow they're getting cheaper 16.18.36 Join andrew__1 [0] (n=andrew@stjhnf0124w-142162066131.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) 16.18.49 # aliask: I agree. 16.19.08 # I just wanted to point out that there were other options to search for. You never know what you might stumble across being sold locally or something 16.19.41 # How can I ensure a function is word aligned? 16.19.45 # who knows who I can get specific register values from within c code? 16.20.20 # low_light: #define REG (*(volatile unsigned long)(0xDEADBEEF)) 16.20.33 Quit Soul-Slayer (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.20.36 # Assuming the register is 32bit 16.20.52 # Then you can use REG as a variable in code. 16.21.13 # Oops, that should be (volatile unsigned long*) 16.21.34 # no, I want to know the value in r12 16.21.54 # anyone heard of "youruplink.com" ? 16.22.15 # I don't know the memory address 16.22.18 # low_light: ASM block? 16.22.22 # You'd need to use assembly for that then, but I'm not sure how you'd go about getting it, ask ptw419 16.22.38 # saratoga: yes...got an example ;) 16.23.59 # sure hold on a sec 16.25.12 # * aliask gives up for the night 16.25.23 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007060115]") 16.25.29 Quit Entasis ("Leaving") 16.25.43 # is there a size difference between the S30 and s60 ? 16.25.51 # as in drive platters ? 16.26.38 # I would assume it's 1/2 16.26.47 # I don't think there are two-platter Toshiba 30s, are there? 16.26.55 # no 16.27.04 # it says which drives they are on the info page 16.27.13 # a GAL in the 30 and a GAH in the 60 16.27.15 # There you go. 16.27.16 # so 1/2 as you say 16.27.25 # bugger 16.27.31 # really wanted a 60 16.27.33 # but can only find 30s 16.27.56 # low_light: heres my crappy attempt 16.27.58 # http://pastebin.ca/621905 16.28.01 # i think it will work 16.28.14 # though maybe theres a more elegant way 16.28.28 Quit kubiix ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 16.29.05 # though make sure you remove those brackets when you put in the reg number 16.29.41 # thanks...I'll test it 16.30.28 # i'm about 50% sure that will compile 16.30.34 # bloody hell soccer is boring 16.31.42 # saratoga: why add instead of mov? 16.32.10 # does it matter? 16.32.23 # that's what I'm asking 16.32.59 # add 0 is just a NOP, and I wasn't sure how to tell the compiler to load a register value without issuing at least on instruction 16.37.51 Join obo [0] (n=obo@host217-41-62-170.in-addr.btopenworld.com) 16.43.20 # saratoga: thanks, I got it working. 16.43.45 Join lazka [0] (n=lazka@85-125-222-86.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) 16.46.24 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 16.51.59 # who understands the bss stuff? 16.53.00 # GodEater_: there are some gigabeats S for sale on ebay ? 16.53.56 # saratoga: Your asm won't work 16.54.14 # The shifter operand always comes last in arm asm 16.54.20 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.55.21 # low_light: http://pastebin.ca/621935 16.55.38 Join corsair [0] (n=user@222.94.225.242) 16.55.58 # Nico_P: 60s ? 16.55.59 # saratoga: And the code doesn't touch the condition codes, so thhey shouldn't be in the clobber list 16.56.09 # Nico_P: and which ebay ? 16.56.09 # amiconn: thanks. I managed something similar. 16.56.19 # GodEater_: 60 or 30, I don't really mind 16.56.30 # GodEater_: ideally, ebay FR 16.56.32 # er 16.56.48 # In fact, I never found an occasion where cc must be listed as clobbered 16.56.55 # I've found 30s for sale - but not on ebay 16.56.58 # and only in the US 16.57.01 # (but in this case, they really aren't) 16.57.01 # oh 16.57.09 # amiconn: should bss _edata be a multiple of 4 for alignment? 16.57.10 # Hi, all. My iPod video doesn't startup, even when connect to usb. Anyone knows what happend? 16.57.11 # which is why I'm still looking :) 16.57.15 # amiconn: so I'd need to put a shift 0 at the end? 16.57.18 # GodEater_: There are some used 60s for sale on Amazon.com, starting at $220 and going up 16.57.30 # Llorean: thanks 16.58.06 # saratoga: No. The second operand is the shifter operand in arm asm. Constants are one example, so the #0 would have to go last 16.58.25 # But I really don't understand why you use add if a simple mov is sufficient 16.58.34 # * amiconn recommends the arm reference manual 16.59.36 # Er... What is an arm ref manual? 16.59.41 # "Please note: Buyers outside the U.S. cannot purchase the following types of items via Amazon Marketplace: video games, toy and baby items, electronics, cameras and photo items, tools and hardware, kitchenware and housewares, sporting goods and outdoor equipment, software, and computers." 16.59.46 # well that sucks 16.59.54 # Ah, yes it does. 17.00.00 # amiconn: the pp bootloader asm is full of "add r1, r1, #0" for coping registers 17.00.15 # GodEater_: maybe toffe82 can help you 17.00.28 # Nico_P: yeah - I'll wait till I see him next online 17.00.31 # I never understood why 17.00.49 # low_light: Add r1, r1, #0 is just one way to say 'nop' 17.01.21 # sorry , meant add r0, r1, #0 17.02.39 # amiconn: anyway, for my m:robe, _edata = 0x5812a which doesn't seem aligned from arm...right? 17.03.04 # GodEater_: mention me when you see him ;) 17.03.12 # I'd be interested in a 30 I think 17.03.14 # he just popped into #gigabeat 17.03.21 # so you can speak to him yourself ;) 17.03.26 # oh yes 17.04.28 # assuming he wakes up :) 17.05.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.07.11 # low_light: Where is that? 17.07.21 # in rockbox.map 17.08.20 # I'm hoping that's why its crashing...trying to write to an unaligned address. 17.09.03 # Very possible 17.10.25 # I have no idea how to get it aligned properly 17.13.36 # Looks like one or more aligns are missing in the .lds 17.15.40 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 17.20.21 # * homielowe will gladly test for the Gigabeat S(when he gets it in the mail)..... if he can somehow set-up a build environment on a 6 year old computer, or buy a new one 17.21.45 # homielowe: install ubuntu? 17.22.23 # xubuntu for old computers 17.22.35 # yes of course 17.23.31 # petur: meaning also repartition my harddrive? I'm a pretty big noob at linux(other than using a linux live cd) 17.23.45 Quit corsair ("ERC Version 5.1.4 (IRC client for Emacs)") 17.24.08 Part homielowe 17.24.47 # * petur found it all went pretty automatic 17.32.17 Quit low_light ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 17.32.46 Join low_light [0] (i=c730190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-fa0f374b0356b881) 17.35.15 # amiconn: looks like iram is not padded for alignment 17.37.16 # low_light: may I ask what you're working on ? 17.40.44 # Nico_P: port to the Olympus m:robe mr-100 (a pp5020-based device) 17.41.00 # ok, nice :) 17.41.08 # how's it going ? 17.43.38 # * low_light loads rockbox on the m:robe! 17.44.21 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 17.44.45 # low_light: congratulations. 17.45.03 # \o/ 17.45.39 # yay, congratulations ! :) 17.45.48 # it thinks the battery is empty and wants to shut down 17.45.51 # * linuxstb_ dedicates the beer he's drinking to low_light 17.47.30 # * low_light gets coffee 17.47.44 # "work", you know ;) 17.47.54 # * linuxstb_ looks innocent 17.50.48 # low_light: great job man! 17.51.50 Join pseudo_ [0] (n=pseudo@ppp121-45-227-129.lns1.bne4.internode.on.net) 17.53.42 # thanks 17.54.33 # low_light: was all the hardware inside already supported by other players? 17.56.13 Join Kikko__ [0] (n=Kikko@75-131-174-111.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com) 17.56.19 # hey 17.56.21 # i have a question 17.56.27 # how do i acsess the database menu? 17.57.33 # Settings --> General Settings --> Database 17.57.33 # markun: yeah...pp5020 & wm8751 17.58.38 # low_light: and the LCD as well I guess? 18.00.02 # unknown lcd, but I re'd the bootloader to get the proper controller registers & commands 18.00.29 # ugh 18.00.34 # rockbox keeps freezing 18.00.51 # Freezing forever, or just temporarily? 18.00.59 # forever 18.01.21 # it gets hung up alot when i go to play a flac file 18.01.25 # What device are you using? 18.01.43 # 3g iPod 18.01.49 # like ill try to play a song 18.01.57 # markun: the touchpad is the next hurdle, but hopefully printing the gpio ports to the screen will make it a little easier 18.01.59 # and it gets stuck at Searching... 10 Found (PLAY/PAUSE to abort) 18.02.11 # Kikko__: The 3G iPod isn't listed as supported on the front page because it's not reliable yet. 18.02.14 # Killo__: OK, I think that's known at the moment. 18.02.28 # wow 18.02.28 Join dandin1 [0] (n=dandin1@bas7-ottawa23-1088827872.dsl.bell.ca) 18.02.33 # is the 4g reliable? 18.02.50 # I believe it's being worked on, but the person working on it doesn't have a 3G, so progress is slow.... 18.02.54 Join homielowe [0] (n=chatzill@66.183.75.253) 18.03.04 # linuxstb_: do you remember the problem with the tpj1022 & disk.c (no partition table). It takes the m:robe 15-20 sec to complete disk_mount_all() 18.03.28 # Ouch... Does the m:robe have a partition table? 18.03.48 # alright 18.03.53 # ill just use my 4th gen 18.04.01 # how stable is it? does it crash a lot? 18.04.16 # that was one of my peeves with iplinux 18.04.33 # It should be fine now. (there were freezing problems up until recently) 18.04.53 # hmm 18.05.04 # linuxstb_: how do I tell? Rockbox eventually mounts it and the bootloader prints the partition info. 18.05.29 # low_light: fdisk (in Linux) will tell you. I'm sure Windows partitioning tools can as well, but I've never used them. 18.05.57 # Or if it mounts as (e.g) /dev/sda instead of /dev/sdaN in Linux, then there's no partition table. 18.08.38 # how do i take music off of my ipod with itunes? 18.08.56 # * linuxstb_ shrugs and points Kikko__ to an ipod forum 18.09.19 # yeah thanks 18.09.36 # I can't remember how it was mounted. I'll have to try that at home later. 18.09.53 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.10.07 # You could probably add a message in disk.c to see where the detection succeeds. 18.10.13 Join Xerion [0] (i=xerion@cp198589-d.landg1.lb.home.nl) 18.10.29 # (or, e.g. set a global variable and display it in the bootloader) 18.12.32 # seriously, is it that hard to remove music from my ipod? 18.13.10 # Kikko__: Most of us don't use iTunes. Seriously, ask somewhere where it's on-topic. 18.15.31 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 18.17.08 # fuck you niggers 18.17.09 Part Kikko__ 18.17.39 # tssss 18.17.56 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 18.19.28 Quit low_light ("CGI:IRC") 18.20.06 # another happy customer 18.20.34 Join donutman25 [0] (n=chatzill@65.75.87.48) 18.20.44 # let's refund him... 18.21.12 # done 18.22.41 # He doesn't deserve a refund... 18.23.33 # Anyone tried the new dict plugin (FS #6697) - it seems popular from the number of comments on the task... 18.24.07 Quit petur ("work->home") 18.24.34 # no, but I heard that electronical dictionaries are very hot in Korea these days 18.25.25 # http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/19/irivers-d5-electronic-dictionary-makes-us-want-to-learn-korean/ 18.26.39 # linuxstb: I am watching G1 and G2 ipods on ebay... somehow we should complete the rockbox ipod port to the targets supported by ipl 18.27.56 # I wonder which of these should be done first... 18.28.02 # It would be nice, but I'm not sure if there's much demand - hardly anyone has ever asked about them... 18.29.03 # * linuxstb_ switches computers 18.29.06 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 18.34.06 Quit obo ("bye") 18.44.31 Quit RoC_MasterMind (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.45.09 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@69.15.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 18.48.46 Join low_light [0] (i=c730190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-c0c53bea91fa9ed8) 18.53.49 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@e179206155.adsl.alicedsl.de) 18.55.03 # amiconn: I've found a 1st gen ipod on ebay UK for 20 UKP (3 days left...) 18.55.54 # * linuxstb thinks this seller is ambitious... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/5GB-1ST-GEN-APPLE-IPOD-COLLECTORES-ITEM-MINT-CONDITION_W0QQitemZ140136717350QQihZ004QQcategoryZ73839QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 18.56.06 # Collector's item? 18.56.07 # Hahaha 18.58.35 Quit Paprica (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.59.32 # Heh. "Apple have sold over 100,000,000 in seven years. The first generation ipod accounts for 1% making it the most exclusive mp3 player around." 18.59.46 # linuxstb: There are 2 G1s and 2 G2s on ebay.de atm 19.00.13 # The one I'm looking at is a 10GB G1 - current bid 20UKP. 19.00.18 # (in the UK) 19.00.31 # I wonder which one should be done 1st. I would happily adapt rockbox to both, but I wouldn't like to keep both myself. Too similar, and I already have many targets... 19.00.44 # * amiconn won a H10 auction today 19.01.23 # aren't the 1G and 2G identical as far as software is concerned? 19.01.26 # amiconn: good news :) 19.03.23 # saratoga: The main components seem to be. See this table I wrote when first looking through the IPL source - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodHardwareInfo#Basic_hardware_comparison 19.03.39 # i.e. all the code paths were identical for the first three generations... 19.03.55 # (unless I made a mistake, which is possible...) 19.03.57 Quit merbanan (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.04.14 # The G1 has a mechanical wheel, the G2 has a touch wheel 19.04.19 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@83.233.243.210) 19.04.41 # Depending on how the touch wheel is hooked up, it might be possible to implement touch positions on the G2, but not on the G1 19.05.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.06.08 # Ah, I probably took the keyboard information from the bootloader, which doesn't use the wheel at all. So button detection is the same for G1-G3, but the wheel is very likely different... 19.06.12 Quit Davo_Dinkum ("Lost terminal") 19.07.27 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.09.20 # Hmm, there doesn't seem much difference between the G1-G3 keyboard drivers in the IPL kernel - just a few extra things for the G3... 19.09.36 # (and an extra few outb() in the init for the G1) 19.19.00 # amiconn: any idea why mono bitmaps don't display properly on the m:robe (1bit vert)? Text is fine. 19.19.43 # Wrong bitmap format specified? 19.20.06 # It can't be the display driver itself, because text actually _is_ a collection of mono bitmaps 19.20.57 # I mean in the Makefile generated by configure 19.21.07 # You want -f 0 both for native and mono 19.22.28 # that's probably it...let me see 19.23.32 # yup 19.31.56 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 19.32.39 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 19.35.12 # * linuxstb wonders if there's any interest in a realaudio codec 19.37.50 # I think there was a feature request for it once. 19.38.45 Join datsit40ther1 [0] (n=peter@71.5.77.5) 19.39.37 Nick pseudo_ is now known as printfXh4 (n=pseudo@ppp121-45-227-129.lns1.bne4.internode.on.net) 19.40.58 Quit Tr1ckY ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 19.41.06 # I care more about other devs being interested (and therefore helping...) ;) 19.41.23 Quit ptw419 () 19.41.56 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 19.42.18 Join Oktabi [0] (n=Oktabi@M852P029.adsl.highway.telekom.at) 19.42.27 # h10 5 gig user here, Installed rockbox, seems to work, however I can no longer mount the h10 to my xp computer. I am getting this error, 'USB device unrecognized' if I power down the h10. 19.43.18 # the h10 was mounting fine before rockbox 19.43.29 # and of course had to be mounted to install rockbox 19.43.42 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 19.43.50 # once i installed it...no longer can i see it in 'my computer' 19.44.48 # I think you may need to start the original firmware for USB mode 19.45.07 # hello there! May I ask a question? How should I update rockbox? Sometimes the change log says, that a file was removed - so i can't just overwrite... on the other hand i don't want to delete the whole folder (presets, gui) 19.45.54 # You can just overwrite - that's what most people do. 19.46.14 # The changelog probably refers to source code files being removed - which is different to files in the rockbox.zip 19.46.30 # * datsit40ther1 is not understanding....isnt the h10 supposed to mount like a disk so I can load it? 19.47.04 # datsit40ther1: Yes, but the usb mode is implemented in software on your H10, and Rockbox doesn't implement it. You need to use the original iriver firmware. 19.48.06 # gotcha, i think 19.48.34 # i can mount it now 19.49.18 # thx 19.49.21 Quit Oktabi ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]") 19.49.31 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 19.49.35 Join petur2 [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 19.49.48 Quit petur (Nick collision from services.) 19.49.53 Nick petur2 is now known as petur (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 19.49.58 # I can mount it now using the "ums trick" 19.50.19 # datsit40ther1: There may be an easier way, but I don't own a H10 so don't know. I'm not sure there are many people here that do. 19.50.27 # i loaded rockbox because I would like to be able to load large fonts 19.50.47 # gotcha, thanks 19.50.55 # Probably the best place for help with Rockbox on the H10 is the misticriver H10 Rockbox forum. 19.51.20 # (for H10-specific questions - Rockbox is mostly the same on all devices) 19.51.50 # * datsit40ther1 will now attempt to load a font 19.52.28 # forwhich I am assuming I need to have the h10 mouonted as a drive 19.53.11 # Did you unzip the rockbox-fonts.zip file when you installed Rockbox? 19.53.30 # I am also hoping that rockbox will let me choose stuff in a simple manner, as in file name and folder 19.53.45 # I am looking at the instructions now 19.53.48 # i have the zip 19.54.14 # Yes, Rockbox is a file-browser based firmware (although there's a database-driven interface as well) 19.54.33 # i run a streaming audio website and want to use my files in the h10, they have no tags 19.54.43 # http://sugarmegs.org 19.54.48 # Then Rockbox will be fine for you. 19.54.57 # :) 19.55.19 # have to work now but will get back to font issue sometime today...thx... 19.55.44 # What format are your files? WMA? 19.56.05 # yes 19.56.31 # WMA support in Rockbox is only a couple of weeks old - it's still being worked on. 19.56.39 # wonderful 19.56.51 Join Buschel [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3FADD.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.57.13 # Main problems are that some files (e.g. very low bitrates - < 32kbps) won't work, and there's no seeking support yet. 19.57.23 Nick datsit40ther1 is now known as guineapig (n=peter@71.5.77.5) 19.57.35 # hums, where does rockbox keep it's bmark for files when you shutdown ? 19.57.37 # mine are all at 40k/sec 20.00.25 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 20.00.30 # crashd_: Do you mean the resume info, or bookmarks? 20.01.37 Quit lazka (Remote closed the connection) 20.01.50 Join lukaswayne9 [0] (n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 20.02.20 Nick guineapig is now known as datist40ther1 (n=peter@71.5.77.5) 20.02.38 Nick datist40ther1 is now known as datsit40ther1 (n=peter@71.5.77.5) 20.06.51 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.07.00 Quit Xerion (" ") 20.08.26 # the docs say to load the fonts into /.rockbox/fonts wellll, there is no /.rockbox/fonts folder, should I simply make one in the /.rockbox folder? 20.10.06 # you need the font pack: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxExtras 20.10.40 # You should just extract the rockbox-fonts.zip file to your H10's disk - it contains the necessary folder structure. 20.10.52 # the fonts pack contains the required folder structure. 20.12.08 # linuxstb: the resume info, i guess 20.12.09 # yeah 20.12.15 # the bookmark it makes when you switch off 20.12.30 # tanks, and yes I have the rockbox-fonts.zip file 20.12.40 # crashd_: The resume info is in nvram.bin 20.12.55 Part printfXh4 ("Leaving") 20.14.12 Quit low_light ("CGI:IRC") 20.14.32 # ahh 20.14.36 # so it's just a memory dump? 20.14.59 # linuxstb, crashd_: actually nvram.bin only stores the resume point itself (and some other, not resume related data) 20.15.32 # The current dynamic playlist is stored in .playlist_control (algorithmically, not lterally) 20.15.39 # * linuxstb should have known that... 20.16.28 # * linuxstb wonders what .playlist_control actually contains 20.16.36 Quit petur ("switch") 20.16.52 # It contains control codes describing how to build the current dynamic playlist 20.17.05 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 20.20.02 Join SiebaZ [0] (n=lala@p5484D79D.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.20.56 # Has it been extended for the database? The comments at the top of playlist.c don't mention the database. 20.21.33 # Does it need extension? 20.21.41 # Your playlist is still real files, right? 20.22.22 # But it's based on virtual folders, not real ones. 20.22.49 # But the playlist contains the real folders still 20.22.53 # Looking at .playlist_control, it stores the name of a folder you've added to the playlist - shouldn't it do the same for the DB? 20.22.53 # Doesn't it? 20.24.17 # * linuxstb tries playing an album via the database 20.24.18 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.24.59 Quit spiorf_ (Remote closed the connection) 20.27.00 # Every track in the album was added individually to .playlist_control... 20.27.25 Join BigMac [0] (n=mike@c-71-234-95-131.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) 20.27.27 # So I guess it's not nice when you play all tracks... 20.27.31 # Ouch 20.27.41 Join asdasd [0] (n=wqd@124.104.150.68) 20.28.41 # I would have thought that it could just add the necessary database query to the .playlist_control file, but I know nothing about the playlist code or database. 20.31.09 Join GodEater [0] (n=bryan@bb-87-80-121-64.ukonline.co.uk) 20.33.33 Nick Guest16433 is now known as Tr1ckY (n=Tr1ckY@0x573c22fa.bynqu2.broadband.tele.dk) 20.33.40 Join Ymsetjenesta [0] (n=Ymse@c27FC00C3.dhcp.bluecom.no) 20.34.07 # Hi. Need somehelp with Amarok.......... 20.34.21 # linuxstb: The playlist code is called to add every single track when playing from the db, so it becomes a whole lot slower than in directory mode 20.34.21 # So you came to #rockbox ? ;) 20.34.36 # amiconn: Do you know if there's a good reason for that? 20.35.03 # But this way it didn't need to be extended for the database, and there's another advantage 20.35.22 # He he it is...........I had abandoned my iRiver H140 because I felt it was to hard to use................. 20.35.38 # The database virtual folders could change, even vanish, without moving or deleting a single track on the disk 20.35.49 # ...just by changing their definition 20.36.01 # You mean editing the tagnavi file? 20.36.02 # Changes to the tagnavi file you mean? 20.36.04 # Then in a drunken state I decided I wanted to give my contribution to the free world and installed Linux. 20.36.16 Join RoC_MasterMind [0] (n=Free@c-24-129-94-172.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 20.36.38 # The next thing was that I by accident founf RockBox, and tried on my abandoned iRIver H140. 20.36.47 # Loved it from minute 1........ 20.37.03 # But know I need to get it to comunicate with Amarok. 20.37.30 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@h218n1fls35o293.telia.com) 20.37.32 # Ymsetjenesta: A Rockbox'ed player is simply a mass storage device. 20.37.57 # Hmm........but I still can't get amarok to comunicate.......... 20.38.00 # As was suggested, this isn't really an appropriate location for asking how to use Amarok. Rockbox doesn't expect anything beyond "are there songs on the player in a format I know" 20.38.52 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host80-202-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 20.39.13 # I don't like these media management programs that obfuscate a simple file transfer behind some "sync" plugin 20.39.29 # Well, if they an update the database it can be handy 20.39.29 # it makes people think there's some magic going on 20.39.31 # when there isn't 20.39.42 # People like magic... 20.39.47 # Rockbox would benefit from something that rebuilt the entire database from scratch on transfers. 20.39.55 # Ymsetjenesta: just use konqueror ... 20.39.58 # Since song removal and auto-update aren't dependable. 20.40.39 # I'd still prefer to see that as an extra step beyond putting the music on there in the first place 20.40.40 # Well, song removal doesn't happen rather 20.40.46 # so it's understood there's nothing weird going on 20.40.47 # GodEater: Same here 20.40.48 # Damn..........BlueBrother will you mind giving it to me with a tee-spoon, I'm quite new to everything. 20.40.54 # linuxstb: now you know why starting (and later resuming) playback from the database can be slow... :) 20.41.04 # Lear: I never use the database... 20.41.29 # Although I generally only play albums, so playlist size isn't an issue. 20.41.36 Join entheh [0] (n=purr@88-106-149-76.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 20.41.39 # But bookmarking could use something similar too: that is, a text representation of the current DB selection, that could be stored in .playlist_control, or a .bmark file. 20.42.16 # Llorean: Song removal from database will work (iiuc) if you have dircache, database in ram, and auto-update enabled 20.42.18 # Shouldn't be too hard, I hope (don't know much about the DB)... 20.42.35 # Note that this is just my interpretation of Slasheri's description - I never tried it myself 20.43.16 # amiconn: So I hear. Someone also mentioned dircache being disabled on Sansas, though I haven't checked that. 20.43.22 # Lear: Imho the playlist control mechanism and the bookmark mechanism should be unified. 20.43.32 # Llorean: It is, because it's not hot plug compatible 20.44.13 # Ah 20.45.24 # I presume that means it doesn't work with the microsd cards ? 20.45.31 # Yeah 20.45.43 Quit Butsumetsu (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.45.50 # It's simply not prepared to handle directories appearing and vanishing 20.45.51 # I'm curious how they present to rockbox ? 20.46.09 # a vritual folder, or an actual drive letter ? 20.46.13 # *virtual 20.46.16 # So the Ondio has a similar feature-incomplete database? 20.46.26 # GodEater: The same way as they are presented for years on the ondio - they are "mouted" into a virtual folder 20.46.42 # linuxstb? 20.46.59 # IIUC, features (such as detecting deleted files) rely on dircache. 20.47.12 # Yes - and all archoses don't have dircache 20.47.22 # Of course... 20.48.58 # GodEater: This virtual folder uses characters which are forbidden on fat/vfat. This way name clashes cannot happen 20.49.15 # amiconn: neat 20.49.25 # / on Ondio, / on Sansa (iirc) 20.49.25 Quit Ymsetjenesta ("Leaving.") 20.49.31 # Ymsetjenesta: sorry, was distracted a bit. Just use a file manager. 20.49.37 # oh, too late. 20.50.09 Join low_light [0] (i=c730180a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-b5d9c19b463cbe96) 20.52.29 Join high_light [0] (i=54bd6cfc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8896b882d1527fb1) 20.52.37 # amiconn: fyi, for the m:robe (pp5020): CLOCK_SRC = 20137672, CLOCK_0x2C = 0, CLOCK_0xA0 = 0, PLL_CONTROL = 8A021908, PLL_STATUS = 00001908, DEV_0x34 = 00001616 20.53.03 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul) 20.53.11 # This is without rockbox touching the registers? 20.54.42 # I don't know...I booted to dbg_ports screen. 20.55.36 # Yes, but did you disable clock scaling and disabled the content of ipod_set_cpu_frequency() for the m:robe? 20.55.52 # Otherwise you'll just see what rockbox sets - not very interesting 20.56.23 # There is an #ifndef SANSA_E200 in that function - replace it with a simple #if 0 20.56.32 # (that's what I have in my local source) 20.56.53 # The name is misleading - it's not only for ipod these days 20.57.01 # oh yeah...i disable freq scaling (just in case) 20.57.25 # You need to do both, then rockbox doesn't touch the registers 20.57.57 Quit high_light ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 20.58.55 Join Butsumetsu [0] (n=wqd@124.104.150.68) 21.00.17 # ok...for later. 21.05.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.06.00 Quit asdasd (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.07.38 # amiconn: is there any reason rolo_restart() in firmware/rolo.c uses a custom copy loop instead of a regular mempcy()? 21.07.51 # yes 21.09.15 # The rolo copy must happen from iram, otherwise it would overwrite itself 21.10.26 # memcpy() currently is in iram for all targets (except gigabeat??), but that's not guaranteed 21.11.21 # aha, that's what I thought was the reason, we avoid a stupid requirement, I will add it in a comment, thanks 21.14.03 Quit bdgraue (Remote closed the connection) 21.15.31 Part Llorean 21.16.24 Join AceNik [0] (n=AceNik@203.145.159.44) 21.17.13 # hey guys there are random shutdowns or freezes on the H10 since a few weeks since the clok settings were tinkered with , has anyone checked ? 21.17.45 # we need to reset the player inorder to start it back , n it resumes from 3-4 traks before what was playing 21.19.59 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 21.20.39 # AceNik: Have you confirmed it's the CPU frequency commits? i.e. tried different builds before (and after) those commits? 21.20.47 Quit petur ("gone taping ;)") 21.21.02 Quit low_light ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.22.24 # yup it started the day those commits were made, i guess people concentrated on sansa & ipods but inturn it has messed with the H10 too, i have updated twice , used build dates 5,10,15 july, all having same problems i guess not 5th but other for sure 21.23.00 # before those commits there was no problem , it never randomly froze 21.23.25 # "guess" proves nothing 21.23.59 # Before the cpu scaling commits, it wasn't eanabled at all for H10, giving significantly reduced battery runtime 21.24.14 # well 10th & 15th for sure so can you look on those lines, or i shall check when those CPU commits were made 21.24.38 # And if the 5th is okay, it can't be the cpu scaling 21.25.08 # CPU scaling was enabled for H10 on the 3rd 21.25.39 # the 5th did have the problem can i check the logs of IRC since the day i had this problem i did mention it here 21.25.42 # ...and the later commit on the 8th changed no code for plain PP5020 21.25.59 Nick Tr1ckY is now known as Tr1ckY_LAP (n=Tr1ckY@0x573c22fa.bynqu2.broadband.tele.dk) 21.26.19 Quit lukaswayne9 ("Ex-Chat") 21.26.32 # But I acquired a H10 today, should arrive here during the next days 21.26.38 # AceNik: It's always helpful to confirm the exact day (or even better, the exact commit) that broke things. 21.27.14 # amiconn: Which H10 did you get? 21.27.20 # H10 6GB 21.27.27 # ..with radio 21.27.34 # well i did make a comment on it the day it started & no one on the IRC responded so i just went off, i thought it might get ok in a few days, thats why im upgrading in 5 days 21.27.45 # Rockbox doesn't support the H10 radio yet? 21.27.49 # H10 [20GB] 21.27.50 # nope 21.28.08 # Iirc barrywardell tried but didn't get it to work 21.28.20 # linuxstb: already forgot the nice misticriver thread? ts, ts, ts ;) 21.28.32 # It's the familiar TEA5767, so the problem is "just" the hookup to the PP 21.28.44 # yes i confirm 5th being a problem the commit from jens arnold 21.28.44 # pixelma: What nice misticriver thread? (I have obviously forgotten...) 21.29.17 # fwiw I have an h10 5gig that I just put rockbox on today 21.29.38 # * datsit40ther1 = total newbie to rockbox 21.30.21 # it works, but now I need to get familiar with rockbox in general 21.30.33 # Hopefully you've found the manual? 21.30.39 # i have 21.30.51 # at least i think i have...lol 21.31.13 # being at work and interleaving this with work leaves room for doubt 21.31.43 # * datsit40ther1 will know more after i get to play with the h10/rockbox combo later 21.32.19 # all i want it to do is give me large fonts and let me navigate using folder and file names 21.32.32 # and also not loose its place from day to day 21.32.44 # old h1 had no bookmarks that I could find 21.33.28 # i listen to long stuff...loads of talk and concerts that run 2-3 hours 21.33.29 # linuxstb: it's in the GoldenQuotes... http://www.misticriver.net/showpost.php?p=518385&postcount=9 (and ongoing thread - posts from blue45) 21.33.39 # so loosing its place is a big no no 21.34.10 # i signed up at mystic river but have no time to peruse it in any depth right now 21.34.47 Quit dandin1 () 21.35.11 # amiconn: linuxstb_: i did mention about this problem on the 10th here is the IRC link 21.35.13 # http://www.rockbox.org/irc/reader.pl?date=20070710 21.35.17 # 18:52 21.35.28 # pixelma: That reads like the GoldenQuotes page itself... 21.35.53 # i also read up people having freezes on their sansa the same way reporting on the 3rd & 4th 21.37.27 # AceNik: Can you compile your own builds? 21.37.47 # yup 21.37.52 # do you have a patch? 21.38.53 # Then try commenting out the line #HAVE_ADJUSTABLE_CPU_FREQ (or similar) in firmware/export/config-h10.h (or -h10_5gb.h). 21.39.17 # That avoids the problem (if tha 21.39.23 # linuxstb_:but i dont know how to replicate the problem, cause it just occurs while listening to music , the player is definately on , but doesnt respond 21.39.25 # ..(if that's the problem) 21.39.34 # linuxstb_:ill just try it now 21.42.37 # That won't solve the problem, only circumvent it... at the cost of reduced battery runtime 21.43.06 # amiconn: i ahve commented it , should i compile , or anything else also 21.43.15 Join Ymsetjenesta [0] (n=Ymse@c27FC00C3.dhcp.bluecom.no) 21.43.20 # *If* it is the problem at all - occasional freezes happen on other targets as well 21.43.44 # Hi................I have a problem with reading all the files on my iRiver RockBox.......... 21.43.49 Join Robin0800 [0] (n=Robin080@cpc4-brig8-0-0-cust563.brig.cable.ntl.com) 21.44.38 # Ymsetjenesta: enable dircache , set a proper limit to files, & see the change 21.45.14 # amiconn: well , what do i try then , can you tell me , can headphones damage the player? in anyway? 21.45.31 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@i-83-67-214-206.freedom2surf.net) 21.45.52 Quit Robin0800 (Client Quit) 21.46.02 Join Robin0800 [0] (n=Robin080@cpc4-brig8-0-0-cust563.brig.cable.ntl.com) 21.46.28 # Ymsetjenesta: What's your problem? 21.46.34 # Ymsetjenesta: what files don't show up (format) - can you give some more information? 21.47.26 # Pixema: I belive the problem can be that RockBox don't supports the amount of files I have in that DIR. Is that possible? 21.47.50 Quit Robin0800 (Client Quit) 21.47.54 # There's a setting to increase the number of files in a directory. 21.48.04 Join Robin0800 [0] (n=Robin080@cpc4-brig8-0-0-cust563.brig.cable.ntl.com) 21.48.19 # Oki..............where do I find it.............. 21.48.27 # Ymsetjenesta: yes it is , i told you enable dircache & increase the files limit, for dir, & playlist 21.48.36 # Somewhere like General Settings -> System -> Limits 21.49.01 Quit Robin0800 (Client Quit) 21.49.07 Join Robin0800 [0] (n=Robin080@cpc4-brig8-0-0-cust563.brig.cable.ntl.com) 21.49.07 # AceNik: dircache doesn't have to do something with it 21.49.28 # Checking it out...........comming back ;) 21.49.34 Quit Buschel () 21.50.08 # linuxstb_: what should i do ? 21.50.13 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 21.50.23 # Ymsetjenesta: may I recommend you the manual? http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml ;-) 21.50.32 Quit Robin0800 (Client Quit) 21.50.40 Join Robin0800 [0] (n=Robin080@cpc4-brig8-0-0-cust563.brig.cable.ntl.com) 21.51.25 # BlueBrother: I'm on watch on the ambulance, and only have my smartphone. To difficult to read the manual on that := 21.52.16 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF6A8F.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.52.29 Quit SirFunk (Connection timed out) 21.53.41 Quit Robin0800 (Client Quit) 21.53.47 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.53.48 # Ymsetjenesta: too bad. 21.53.51 Join Robin0800 [0] (n=Robin080@cpc4-brig8-0-0-cust563.brig.cable.ntl.com) 21.53.55 # amiconn: do you recommend anything for the problem ? 21.54.24 # Another fast question...............is it possible to delete songs without browsing through the menus on the device. I just want to be able to delete a song fast if I don't like it. 21.54.37 # It needs to be tracked down and solved 21.54.51 # If it were easy, it would have been don elong ago... 21.54.55 Quit Robin0800 (Client Quit) 21.55.00 # sure. From the wps press select. Then use long-select on the file you want to delete. 21.55.03 Join Robin0800 [0] (n=Robin080@cpc4-brig8-0-0-cust563.brig.cable.ntl.com) 21.55.14 # wps? 21.55.26 # while playing screen 21.55.35 # Oki...........two sec 21.55.38 # Ymsetjenesta: well deleting from the database is not possible yet, but from directories , is i sugest seeing the information of the path while the song is playing in the id3 info screen 21.55.53 # Ymsetjenesta: no not even in the wps 21.56.49 # Ymsetjenesta: do you wnat to delete from device or playlist ? 21.57.19 # From the device.................if the song is crap I never want to be able to even see the file name. 21.58.02 # then the best option is seeing the path & browse to the song, n delete, & re-initialise database also 21.58.07 # err? And btw, please don't use that much dots in a row. It's a bit disturbing to read. 21.58.31 # amiconn: alright any help needed in testing please let me know thanks 21.59.00 Join Xerion [0] (i=xerion@cp198589-d.landg1.lb.home.nl) 22.00.18 # Sorry, Bad habbit. I usually get alot of music witch a listen through when on watch or traveling. If I don't like it I just want to be able to delete it really fast. 22.01.08 Join voyage34 [0] (n=voyage34@convention.sccoast.net) 22.01.17 # Ymsetjenesta: you need to wait till the directories are made possible to point to the database, btw are you using database? 22.02.51 # AceNik: You are asking so difficult................. 22.03.02 # well, just enable the "follow playlist" option. Then switching to the file browser will start at the currently playing track 22.03.20 # Sorry abt the dots. I'll remember. Yeah I belive I use the DB. I can browse by tag info 22.03.21 # Ymsetjenesta: do you use the databse function 22.03.49 # and you can delete files from the file browser using the context menu. Hold select to bring up the context menu 22.04.07 # Ymsetjenesta - if you don't like a song you can just hit Next .. and delete it when you reconnect to a PC later on? 22.04.10 # Ymsetjenesta: ok then tillnow you request is not possible even im waitin for this, the day it is, you'll be able to add custom directories to the database view 22.04.33 # Ymsetjenesta:till then just browse looking at the path 22.04.43 # you can't delete a track from the database. You need to switch to the appropriate file in the file browser. 22.04.54 # that's what he said 22.05.13 # (and there is a known bug: sometimes Rockbox crashes when deleting the currently playing track) 22.05.15 # And enable "follow playlist" - so the file browser will show the currently playing file. 22.05.34 # linuxstb: Does descramble decode .mi4? Or do I need mi4code? 22.05.45 # you could also just add those files to a special playlist using the playlist catalog. That is accessible from the wps context menu 22.05.54 # and delete the files in that playlist later on 22.06.02 Join lazka [0] (n=lazka@85-125-222-86.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) 22.06.25 # AceNik: Well thanks alot anyway. For me the whole RockBox thing is just amazing. It acctually got me to reuse a damn expensive gizmo that I had abandoned. I works fine, but I'm looking forward to when I can delete crap music with one touch of a button ;) 22.06.42 # amiconn: IIRC you need mi4code - I didn't add decryption because it was MrH's code. 22.07.06 # Ymsetjenesta - which button would that be? ;) 22.07.08 Quit secleinteer (Connection timed out) 22.07.11 # We have encryption but no decryption - strange 22.07.16 # scramble doesn't encrypt either - it uses the "plain text" trick to mark the entire .mi4 as unencrypted. 22.07.19 Join secleinteer [0] (n=scl@adsl-70-237-241-231.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) 22.07.28 # hmm 22.07.37 # But the bootloader does decrypt .mi4, right? 22.07.39 # Strip: One like the fighter pilots have. Where you have to flip a cap and then push the button. 22.07.42 # you will never be able deleting with a single button. Much to dangerous -- there will be at least one confirmation question ;-) 22.07.53 # amiconn: Yes, that was added later, by barrywardell or dan_a. 22.08.08 # Blue: well I can live with the confirmation option........... 22.08.12 Join hannesd_ [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 22.08.18 # Ymsetjenesta: ur welcome , i know these guys are doing a fantastic job at it, they work real hard, & we need to be patient, things will get ironed out & better 22.09.13 # Ymsetjenesta: the main issue is that there aren't enough buttons (and this is a rarely wanted feature, so ...) 22.09.29 # but if you can compile yourself you can just add it for your personal build. 22.09.53 # AceNik: Linux for me have been just a wonderfull jorney, and to get it all topped by accidentially finding RockBox is amazing. 22.10.05 # regarding the mi4 decryption, it is TEA so I think Barry (?) implemented it based on a reference implementation and not mrh's code 22.10.17 # Blue: I can't complie. Just started using Linux. 22.10.19 # amiconn: My memory is failing me. it seems sansapatcher has decryption code as well... 22.10.48 # Maybe I took the reference TEA code and made it work... 22.10.54 Join Soul-Slayer [0] (n=Administ@89.241.227.147) 22.11.00 # well, you could always learn it ;-) 22.11.01 # and then someone ported it to the bootloader. 22.12.15 # * amiconn fires up ida 22.12.19 Quit Ymsetjenesta ("Leaving.") 22.12.42 # Ymsetjenesta: compiling wont take you long if you working on linux already , setting up the environment might take time, there are loads of pages ont he wiki , id recommend to start tinkering to your pleasure & creativity 22.12.54 Join Ymsetjenesta [0] (n=Ymse@c27FC00C3.dhcp.bluecom.no) 22.13.06 # Sorry fell out for a minute 22.13.13 # great m:robe progress it seems 22.13.24 # Ymsetjenesta: compiling wont take you long if you working on linux already , setting up the environment might take time, there are loads of pages ont he wiki , id recommend to start tinkering to your pleasure & creativity 22.13.37 # guys is the last.fm scrobbling still down? 22.15.38 # stripwax: thank you for fixing my code :-) 22.15.44 # AceNik: He he. I'm finding new oportunities everyday. I used to be a really geek the time Win95 was hot. Then I joined the military. Now I have to start all over. 22.17.03 # * bluebrother notices Domonoky 22.17.27 # Ymsetjenesta: cool 22.17.28 # * Domonoky notices bluebrother :-) 22.17.45 Quit crashmatrix (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.17.46 # * Bagder takes notes 22.17.51 # Domonoky: for some reason the event OnManualUpdate gets triggered all the time. Do you have an idea why? 22.18.00 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 22.18.07 # that was the cause for that endless loop. 22.18.16 # * Domonoky will take a short look at code.. 22.18.53 # Domonoky - any time! :) 22.19.32 # ah.. because its triggerd on a UPDATE_UI Event.. see the event table at line 45 22.19.49 # perhaps thats not very good :-) 22.19.59 # AceNik: And Linux I installed with a friend when we was drunk. We talked about democrazy and freedom and shit. So why don't support the Linux world. With the hangover I had the next day, I could not even figure out how to check my mail. 22.20.17 # and UPDATE_UI happens every time the UI is redrawn? 22.20.34 # I wondered about that before. 22.21.14 # * Domonoky thinks why has done it this way :-) 22.21.53 # i think this event happens regulary, when nothing else is to do.. so you can update the ui :-) 22.22.17 # hmm. Does that mean that you need to call updating manually? 22.22.42 # this event is for updating data, not the screen.. 22.23.06 # hmm. But is there any data that needs frequent updating? 22.23.06 # like to disable ui elements and such things.. i think.. 22.23.48 # no.. its only because i put the deviceselection in an seperate control.. and i cant get the event of the dropdown.. 22.24.13 # why that? 22.24.15 # hmm 22.24.25 Quit hannesd (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.24.34 # H10 OF does a strange thing with the PLL_STATUS register 22.24.52 # and i put it in its own control, because befor i changed the UI this thing was used at many places.. 22.25.01 # Hmmno, /me confused registers... 22.25.56 # so if someone likes to change it / do the manual update in a better way, please do it :-) 22.26.27 # It handles the one register involved in clock setup that I don't understand yet in a different way than the ipod fw 22.26.46 # aha. 22.27.26 Nick hannesd_ is now known as hannesd (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 22.27.40 Quit voyage34 () 22.27.42 # Domonoky - apparently you should get a wxevent on selection, does that not happen? 22.28.13 # stripwax: sure you get this event, but only in the deviceselection control.. 22.28.26 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@cpe-74-71-205-222.twcny.res.rr.com) 22.28.30 # can you not use that to update the manual? 22.28.50 Quit darkless ("Leaving") 22.28.56 # the manual is in the main frame, so one level higher.. 22.29.38 # but it's all just code ;) doesn't the frame contain the manual tab? 22.29.38 # we could emit an event.. me thinks.. :-) 22.30.23 # yes, we update the manual from the main frame.. so we need an event from the deviceselection control.. 22.30.59 # a DEVICE_CHANGED event :-) me needs to read the wx docs .. 22.31.12 # I admit I don't know wx but I'm sure a control can reference its parent .. 22.31.28 Quit AceNik ("bye guys have fun , enjoy !!!!!") 22.32.49 # but that sounds dirty.. depending on a function of the parent.. 22.33.34 # Anyone who knows a nice app to sync the RockBox with the local music dir? 22.34.06 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 22.34.54 # Ymsetjenesta: one of these perhaps => http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsefulTools 22.35.06 # Domonoky - alternatively pass a reference to the manual Frame when you create the device selector control. Is that less dirty? 22.35.48 # not sure why going through the parent is dirty though.. 22.35.51 # * Domonoky has an idea, events can propagate to the parents if you skip them... lets test :-) 22.36.11 # Domonoky - that's the win32 model, if wx does that too then that sounds ideal :) 22.36.54 # Badger: Exelent. (alot of dots :) 22.36.57 # * stripwax would be more informed if he read wx docs too :) 22.37.07 # * Domonoky too :-) 22.41.02 Join low_light [0] (i=c730180a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-14d1b13ea91e63c7) 22.43.41 Quit Butsumetsu ("-=SysReset 2.53=-") 22.47.00 Join XpecialGuest [0] (n=aa@193.136.157.71) 22.47.18 # does rockbox prepared to listen audiobooks??? 22.48.12 # yes 22.48.51 # but it work like another mp3 or have a special thretment because bookmarks? 22.49.04 # all mp3s can have bookmarks in rockbox 22.49.07 Quit _Veseliq_ (Remote closed the connection) 22.49.12 # or other formats/codecs 22.49.19 # so no, there's no special treatment (needed) 22.49.48 # ok 22.50.36 # amiconn: this time with with HAVE_ADJUSTABLE_CPU_FREQ not defined and ipod_set_cpu_frequency() ifdef out... 22.51.13 # why iPod with rockbox dont have a normal autonomie? 22.51.32 # XpecialGuest: what does that mean? 22.51.39 # CLOCK_SRC = 10137647, CLOCK_0x2C = 0, CLOCK_0xA0 = 0, PLL_CONTROL = AA020202, PLL_STATUS = 00000202, DEV_0x34 = 00001616 22.51.43 # what is "normal autonomie" ? 22.51.52 Join AceNik [0] (n=AceNik@203.145.159.44) 22.52.39 # hummm 22.52.44 # guys can anyone tell me what impedance did the default headphones that came with the H10 20GB have, & can i use a 32ohm earphone instead? 22.52.58 # The H10 disassembly is a lot harder to read than any ipod disassembly 22.53.15 # autonomy 22.53.35 # batery autonomy 22.54.02 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 22.54.04 # it spends more baterie? 22.54.21 # *batery 22.55.15 # XpecialGuest: because we haven't managed to do better yet 22.55.22 Part n1s 22.55.55 Join Rincewind [0] (i=EI5s6XAD@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 22.57.15 # but its a fact? im not sure that...i think 22.57.34 # There is no ppl alive at the #amarok. Can I please ask a amarok related qst here? 22.57.44 # yes, rockbox on ipod/h10/sansa runs worse than the original firmware 22.58.00 # battery-wise 22.58.19 # i think we're pretty close on the sansa though, at least if you enable frequency scaling 22.58.20 # are you a rockbox developer? 22.58.38 # XpecialGuest: yes, lots of us here are 23.00.25 # oh great,,,can you develop a funcion in mpeg player to pass to the next video wthout end mpegplayer and go on to explorer to do that? 23.00.26 # Bagder: you got a mail from ptw419, yes? 23.01.23 # not that I've seen, no 23.01.31 Quit The-Compiler (Connection timed out) 23.01.38 Quit Febs () 23.01.41 # i believe he sent it to danielatrockbox 23.02.05 Join Febs_ [0] (n=chatzill@38.98.196.75) 23.02.07 Nick Febs_ is now known as Febs (n=chatzill@38.98.196.75) 23.02.47 Quit Febs (Client Quit) 23.03.11 # XpecialGuest: No-one seems to be interested in working on mpegplayer at the moment... 23.04.03 # scorche: I still don't see it. there's of course a small chance it ended up marked as spam and I've deleted it 23.04.33 # linuxstb why? 23.04.47 # its so dificult to do that? 23.05.01 # guys can i use any headphone with my h10, of any impedance? 23.05.04 # XpecialGuest: Most developers aren't interested in video playback on a DAP. 23.05.05 # XpecialGuest: feel free to join in and work on it 23.05.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.06.04 Quit Robin0800 (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- It'll be on slashdot one day...") 23.06.10 Join Robin0800 [0] (n=Robin080@cpc4-brig8-0-0-cust563.brig.cable.ntl.com) 23.07.25 Quit Robin0800 (Client Quit) 23.07.32 Join Robin0800 [0] (n=Robin080@cpc4-brig8-0-0-cust563.brig.cable.ntl.com) 23.07.49 # ah...well, it was regarding them currently using gcc 4.1.1...i was mentioning to them about possibly trying to use 4.0.3 to be friendly with all of the current methods of getting the cross compilers, but the reason for using 4.1.1 is because with 4.0.3 they wouldnt be able to use cpu specific opcodes for the imx31...is that something that could be patched into 4.0.3 to make things easier for any compilers? 23.08.10 Quit Robin0800 (Client Quit) 23.08.39 # ugha 23.08.39 Join Robin0800 [0] (n=Robin080@cpc4-brig8-0-0-cust563.brig.cable.ntl.com) 23.08.45 # what is DAP? 23.08.54 # digital audio player 23.09.17 # hum 23.09.18 # ok 23.09.19 # scorche: I don't know, but it sounds like it could be a hard backport 23.09.52 # indeed...would bumping the arm version we currently use be possible then? 23.09.55 Join Tr1ckY [0] (n=Tr1ckY@0x535b39aa.ronxx2.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) 23.09.56 # Anyone know what problems are stopping Rockbox using newer than 4.03 (for ARM) ? 23.10.14 Join elinenbe [0] (n=elinenbe@209.196.192.8) 23.10.17 # i just figured it would be better to hash this out now while it is easy for them to change compilers 23.10.33 Quit AceNik ("bye guys have fun , enjoy !!!!!") 23.10.46 # the CrossCompiler page mention gcc 4.1.0 problems 23.10.51 # linuxstb_: wasnt amiconn trying that at one point? 23.10.57 # but iirc, Lear has done it 23.12.51 Part low_light 23.12.54 Part Domonoky 23.13.29 Quit Rincewind (Remote closed the connection) 23.13.56 # i dont think 4.0.3 supports the arm11 arch at all 23.14.14 Join Robin0800_ [0] (n=Robin080@cpc4-brig8-0-0-cust563.brig.cable.ntl.com) 23.15.18 Part Robin0800_ 23.15.21 Part Robin0800 23.16.24 Join Robin0800 [0] (n=Robin080@cpc4-brig8-0-0-cust563.brig.cable.ntl.com) 23.17.57 Join Robin0800_ [0] (n=Robin080@cpc4-brig8-0-0-cust563.brig.cable.ntl.com) 23.18.13 Quit Robin0800_ (Client Quit) 23.18.14 Quit Robin0800 (Client Quit) 23.18.29 Join Robin0800 [0] (n=Robin080@cpc4-brig8-0-0-cust563.brig.cable.ntl.com) 23.19.16 Join bdgraue [0] (n=bdgraue@dyndsl-085-016-108-025.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 23.20.17 Quit Robin0800 (Client Quit) 23.20.25 Join Robin0800 [0] (n=Robin080@cpc4-brig8-0-0-cust563.brig.cable.ntl.com) 23.21.18 # scorche: arm is backwards compatible (well, at least the 32 bit family), so using gcc 4.0.3 should be possible 23.21.27 Quit ompaul ("Leaving") 23.21.52 # yes, but is it realistic to backport the arm11 support into 4.0.3? 23.22.15 # You don't need specific arm11 support in order to run arm code an an arm11 23.22.35 Quit Robin0800 (Client Quit) 23.22.41 Quit Tr1ckY ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 23.22.51 Join Robin0800 [0] (n=Robin080@cpc4-brig8-0-0-cust563.brig.cable.ntl.com) 23.23.02 # The only reason for using a later gcc would be using some newer instructions for performance 23.23.19 # i know, but as i said, they wouldnt be able to use the opcodes for the imx31 if they decide to do that in the future 23.23.32 # gcc 4.0.x _has_ arm11 support 23.23.57 # even 3.4.x has 23.24.00 Quit Robin0800 (Client Quit) 23.24.09 # has performance been improved at all in newer versions (aside from new opcodes)? 23.24.10 Join Robin0800 [0] (n=Robin080@cpc4-brig8-0-0-cust563.brig.cable.ntl.com) 23.25.25 # hm, is there no gigabeat S cpu info in our wiki? 23.25.59 # the GigabeatSPort page is very barebones 23.26.41 # ah GigabeatSInfo it is... 23.26.51 Quit Robin0800 (Client Quit) 23.26.58 Join Robin0800 [0] (n=Robin080@cpc4-brig8-0-0-cust563.brig.cable.ntl.com) 23.27.18 Quit Ymsetjenesta ("Leaving.") 23.29.35 Quit Robin0800 (Client Quit) 23.29.42 Join Robin0800 [0] (n=Robin080@cpc4-brig8-0-0-cust563.brig.cable.ntl.com) 23.34.12 Quit davina ("xchat on Ubuntu 7.04") 23.34.43 # * amiconn wonders what the constant 0x2aaaaaab might be 23.35.02 # It looks like some fixed point arithmetic... 23.35.14 # *it's involved in... 23.37.10 # argh, what the heck's with the errors in the sims build? ...makefile ignorance and all :) 23.39.17 # amiconn - divide by 10? 23.39.25 # * stripwax has a vague memory of a gcc optimisation.. 23.39.58 # 0x2aaaaab is 1/6 in 0.32, or 1/3 in s0.31 23.40.33 # * ender` yawns 23.41.20 # mm, true 23.42.25 # amiconn - what context? pll setup? 23.42.49 # probably. That's a mess of an asm routine compared to the ipod code :( 23.43.00 # that gigabeat S CPU really is amazing 23.43.06 # Bagder , amiconn : I think the problem with gcc 4.03 and the imx31 is the floating point 23.43.16 # looking at the FPU, it can even retire ops out of order 23.44.09 # I remember trying to compile the code from ptw419 on the vmware image and it gave me an error about this. 23.44.50 # from the gigabeat log : 02:15:46 well it compiles fine w/ 4.0.3, but if you get that error about the FP, then you'll need to upgrade to 4.1.1 23.45.31 # well if we can't do other rockbox targets with gcc 4.1.x, I figure we'll just have to accept that we need two sets 23.46.37 Quit Robin0800 (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Now with extra fish!") 23.46.52 # jhMikeS: I think you need to add libspc to the list of codec libs in tools/configure (and no, I don't understand why it's done that way....) 23.47.02 Join Robin0800 [0] (n=Robin080@cpc4-brig8-0-0-cust563.brig.cable.ntl.com) 23.47.35 # to allow targets to use only a subset of codecs I believe 23.48.34 # linuxstb_: ok, thanks. I'll check it out. 23.48.52 # Bagder: There must be a nicer way - at the moment, all targets use all libs (apart from maybe the iFP). 23.49.09 # And it seems from jhMikeS's commit, it's only used for sim builds... 23.49.09 # yeah, we should improve that 23.49.20 # Most probably the porblem with newer gcc and arm targets is an asm block with incorrect constraints 23.49.53 Join Robin0800_ [0] (n=Robin080@cpc4-brig8-0-0-cust563.brig.cable.ntl.com) 23.49.59 # can't that be done using the preprocessor, similar to the SOURCES files? 23.50.17 # * linuxstb_ was about to suggest something similar to SOURCES 23.50.25 # :) 23.52.52 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC") 23.53.02 Part Robin0800 23.53.22 # amiconn: anything to do with using "=/+r" instead of "=/+&r" for outputs that get using throughout? Forgetting "&" has caused problems for me many times. 23.53.54 # +&r doesn't make sense 23.54.05 # =&r does, and might be the problem if missing 23.57.21 # +&r is accepted by it 23.57.59 # Maybe, but it makes no difference to just +r 23.58.58 # toffe82: but what in a rockbox port uses floating point?