--- Log for 30.07.107 Server: heinlein.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 21 days and 12 hours ago 00.00.11 # if someone develops a java me platform plug-in, will it be included in the svn? 00.00.49 # I don't see why not - most plugins are useless. 00.01.57 # I don't see anyone being interested enough in java 00.02.53 # for most users it would be much nicer to have the MajorChanges at the frontpage and the svn log somewhere else -- how much users are really interested in the svn log? 00.03.21 # i am interested 00.03.37 # SliMM: Feel free to port it :) 00.03.41 # i decide to update my rockbox version based on the svn log 00.03.51 # then you aren't an average user ;-) 00.04.04 # soul-slayer: i feel free, but i don't feel capable :-) 00.04.19 # Heh 00.04.23 # * amiconn found a battery & power status check in the 2nd gen flash dump 00.04.35 # but average users usually also don't come into this channel and stay longer 00.05.00 # Complete with a few message strings, and a straightforward bin->hexstring conversion function 00.06.29 # But there's a contradiction in ipl's hardware info: the 'Generations' page says the ADC is a MAX115. However, the MAX115 has a parallel interface, while the read-out from the PP seems to be serial 00.06.39 # (bit-banging on GPIO B1..B4) 00.06.49 # Have you opened up your 2nd gen yet? 00.06.56 # nope 00.07.14 # AT some point I probably will, if only to measure battery current 00.07.20 # i have an obssesion: why isn't the ipod scroll whell acceleration patch in the svn? 00.07.30 # wheel* 00.08.11 # linuxstb: In fact, I _will_ open either the 1st or 2nd gen, I just don't know yet which one it will be 00.08.29 # That depends mainly on whether the 1st gen (not yet arrived) is single or dual platter 00.09.04 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 00.09.08 Join saratoga [0] (i=41becb3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c3f9320e4674a2a0) 00.09.13 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 00.10.02 # Beacuse, one of them will be upgraded to 40GB (using my spare MK4004GAH). I hope the 1st gen is dual platter 'cause that means a better upgrade 00.10.13 # (10GB->40GB rather than 20->40) 00.10.27 # bluebrother: I agree that we should probably make the website more user-oriented - it far too dev-oriented IMO at the moment (but that's convenient for us...) 00.10.41 # Why not branch? 00.10.50 # well, it's just a question if we want to be user- or dev-oriented. 00.10.56 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.11.03 # rockbox.org is userfriendly, and have everything as is currently on another part of the site 00.11.10 # back the days when I first discovered the page I liked that dev-oriented look 00.11.22 # Yes, but you're a dev ;) 00.11.38 # well, according to Bagder converting me hasn't finished yet ;-) 00.12.28 Quit juk ("See you later. Bye.") 00.12.37 # patience my son 00.12.42 # :-) 00.12.44 # hehe ;-) 00.12.58 # I'm not a dev, but I like knowing what's happening and being able to see what is changing... But then I always have. I imagine the site layout to anyone not familiar with things like SVN could feel intimidated putting Rockbox on 00.13.12 # Especially as they are going to be tinkering with an expensive piece of machinery 00.13.14 # bluebrother: i didn't like the dev-look, but i now find it quite usefull 00.13.16 # oooh ... will there be build-info like files for the automatic voice files for rbutil? 00.13.28 # and maybe for the bootloaders too? 00.13.41 # I didn't mean machinery :s. Electronics. Electronics. o.0- 00.13.51 # I didn't like the colors (and I still don't like them too much) 00.13.53 Join Neovanglist [0] (i=Neovangl@69.16.150.16) 00.14.07 # bluebrother: build-info like file for voices can indeed be provided 00.14.15 # of course, a web 2.0 clean and simple layout that suites both user and dev needs would be great 00.14.49 # but i don't think any dev would appreciate that 00.15.11 # * amiconn just noticed that the wheel driver isn't consistent with itself on the various ipods 00.15.25 # another thing that bothered me during the initial port of rbutil: if current builds are rebuild they are not present 00.15.45 # The clickwheel driver is 50% more sensitive than the scrollwheel/touchwheel driver and the mini g1 driver 00.15.45 # IMO it would be nicer to have the old ones available as long as possible, at least for automated download 00.15.58 # bluebrother: Yes, that's a problem - especially as we now recommend current builds instead of the dailies... 00.16.10 Part n1s 00.16.19 # But rbutil could just default to the daily if the current is unavailable? 00.16.23 # amiconn: was your observation related to my question or to your ipod old generations testing? 00.16.40 # clickwheel driver generates one event per 4 wheel steps i.e. 24 events/revolution, and the others generate one event per 6 wheel steps 00.16.47 # (16 events per revolution) 00.16.52 # hmm. It needs to try downloading it first. 00.16.57 # This behaviour is copied from ipl 00.17.15 # So all wheels have 96 steps? 00.17.20 # yes 00.17.53 # If I move muy finger very slowly and precisely, I can e.g. change the volume on my 2nd gen by 16 dB per revolution 00.18.00 # I think it would be more user-friendly to have the old files (not necessarily) links around until new zips are built 00.18.06 # ANd in the driver theres a check for ++count<6 00.18.28 # amiconn: the ipod video scrollwheel is smaller 00.18.31 # SliMM: The reason the patch hasn't been implemented could be any of a number. It may be flawed, may not be commented enough, doesn't follow the rockbox coding guidelines, devs don't feel it's a change that should be committed, may have more negatives than positives... Who knows :p. 00.18.36 # bluebrother: But wouldn't that also be confusing - someone could think the build was "current' but isn't... 00.18.45 # SliMM: Yes, a bit 00.18.56 # And the mini scroll wheel is again somehwat smaller 00.19.07 # well, it's still "current" -- up to that minute 00.19.18 # In fact this count could be made dynamic, making wheel acceleration quite smooth 00.19.19 # he just came slightly too early 00.19.30 # It could be based on the number of wheel interrupts per second 00.19.43 # amiconn: shouldn't they be more sensitive? 00.19.59 # bluebrother: Ah, you mean when the builds are building? I thought you were talking about failed builds... 00.20.14 # So the links don't work during that time? 00.20.58 # no. As far as I recall all links (and files) are removed when the build page is updated with the estimate 00.21.07 # they are 00.21.16 # `rm -Rf $dir`; 00.21.16 # `mkdir $dir`; 00.21.37 # * amiconn thinks this would feel much better than all those post-processing methods of wheel acceleration 00.22.09 # amiconn: interesting idea :P 00.22.28 # People seem to like jhMikeS's sansa's scrolling acceleration. I'm not sure how that's working though... 00.22.38 # bluebrother: I'll work on fixing that 00.22.51 # I think that is one of the frequent issues users have: they come when a build is currently going, and if the build system gets stuck they wait hours 00.22.55 # Bagder: great :) 00.23.06 # linuxstb: isn't sansa's scrollwheel different? 00.23.30 # I've never used it, but it's a wheel, so I would have thought the same principle would apply. 00.23.56 # Unless Sandisk really 'did' reinvent the wheel 00.23.59 Quit Neovanglist ("leaving") 00.24.00 # yeah, but it's more like a mecanical wheel 00.24.07 Join Neovanglist [0] (i=Neovangl@chrisg.phx.neovanglist.net) 00.24.47 # I played with a sansa at the local store a while ago. The wheel feels much more like one of this pulse wheels 00.24.56 # Soul-Slayer: that's not the type of wheel rockbox is into 00.25.20 Quit Neovanglist (Client Quit) 00.25.44 # * bluebrother wonders if there is any code around that grabs proxy settings from windows 00.26.37 # bluebrother, ideally, it'd be an environment variable in windows. but then, windows does stuff ass-backwards, so who knows 00.26.38 Join Neovanglist [0] (i=Neovangl@chrisg.phx.neovanglist.net) 00.27.00 # It's most probably just a bit of registry reading 00.27.02 # It'll be stored somewhere in the registry, most things are 00.27.25 # Should be straingtforward to find out where 00.27.43 # bluebrother: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/EN-US/library/aa384075.aspx maybe this helps 00.27.43 # *straightforward 00.27.44 # well, lots of sites have "pac" files for proxy stuff 00.27.51 # so the registry won't help a lot 00.28.08 Join Hilikus [0] (n=rockero@bas4-montreal19-1242420994.dsl.bell.ca) 00.28.34 # (pac being javascript that runs for each specific URL and returns the proxy choice for it) 00.28.45 # * amiconn knows 00.28.52 # * Soul-Slayer didn't 00.29.03 # Netscape's "great" proxa auto-configuration method 00.29.04 # did all of you head-developers study computer science or something related to that? 00.29.20 # * amiconn didn't 00.29.24 # SliMM: we're oooold... :-) 00.29.27 # * Bagder didn't either 00.29.56 # * Bagder runs off to bed 00.30.18 # i was wondering if i could learn all this by studying computer science :-? 00.30.30 # good night :-) 00.30.47 # not likely... 00.30.48 # You could learn it all by reading through the rockbox source code until you understood it :p 00.31.23 # Soul-Slayer: yeah, but it could take a while :P 00.31.39 # All learning methods will take a while 00.31.56 # hmm.. good point 00.32.13 # SliMM it depends how you want to learn - i.e. do you want a teacher, or can you teach yourself from books? 00.32.36 Part Hilikus 00.32.43 Join safetydan [0] (i=cbca159f@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 00.32.48 # i can teach my self.. but a teacher would be better, since i'm quite lazy 00.33.11 # but i've learned quite a lot from books 00.33.27 Join Hilikus [0] (n=rockero@bas4-montreal19-1242420994.dsl.bell.ca) 00.33.33 # It helps when you have a project you want do do - so think of a relatively simple (to start with) plugin you would like to develop for Rockbox, buy a book on C and get going... 00.34.14 # i don't need a C book right now.. i know whell enough to develop a simple plugin.. 00.34.25 # all i need is a bit of concentration :)) 00.34.41 # * bluebrother is said to have studied computer science even by people knowing him -- but it's wrong 00.35.03 # krazykit: cool, looks promising. I searched MSDN but hadn't found this. 00.35.19 Join inversion [0] (n=none@dsl-32-49.dsl.netsource.ie) 00.35.40 Part maffe 00.35.41 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.36.07 # bluebrother: do you mean the link that i gave you? 00.36.28 # SliMM: yes. Picked the wrong hilight :o 00.36.47 # well, it was the first link to pop on google :P 00.36.55 # hmm, not for me. 00.37.09 # "windows proxi settings C api 00.37.17 # proxy 00.38.01 Quit ender` (" There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S) 00.38.06 # maybe there is some setting in google I used wrongly ... it usually also redirects me to the german google even if I don't want to ... 00.38.51 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 00.38.53 # IP based? 00.39.06 # i think it is... 00.39.08 # possibly. 00.39.10 # I think they use cookies 00.39.29 # bluebrother: it does that to mee too (romanian google), but i searched from the firefox google searchbar 00.39.29 # they use cookies for some settings too. 00.39.39 # as, when i use tor, i will get different google pages among other stuff depending on where the IP that is reported externally is 00.39.51 # scorche: ip based 00.39.54 Part maffe 00.40.14 # there are lots of ip databases 00.40.22 # and google has acces to them 00.40.38 # google analytics shows you where your visitors are from :) 00.40.42 # IP-based 00.40.59 # yes, that is what i was suggesting.. 00.41.00 # did you know that google has it's own file system? 00.41.06 # google has only access? I'd rather think they have a buncho of those databases 00.41.42 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 00.41.49 # I think I heard about it before. But it isn't surprising at all ... 00.44.04 # at books.google.com you can find all the classic books fully readable and searchable 00.44.11 # ok, a bit off-topic :P 00.44.33 # just a tad 00.45.04 # bluebrother, are you using the wininet api? I think that takes care of proxies for you. 00.45.47 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.dsl.t-2.net) 00.46.35 # safetydan: no. Qt takes care of the proxy just fine, but I'd like to have an "system settings" value for the proxy that simply uses the IE settings. 00.46.40 # ok, i have just emailed someone at sun microsystems for some help with the java me platform :P 00.47.04 # * scorche points everyone over to #rockbox-community 00.47.13 # I'm already doing a similar thing on linux (reading $http_proxy) 00.47.22 # bluebrother, also watch out for proxies that require authentication 00.47.23 # scorche: it was related to rockbox 00.47.35 # SliMM: books.google.com was? =P 00.47.52 # ok, sorry for that :-) 00.48.06 # but it's interesting, you know 00.49.33 # SliMM: What license is the Java ME ? 00.52.27 # GPL 00.52.27 # i couldn't find more than the source code, so i emailed that guy, because i don't really know what to do with the sourcecode :) 00.52.27 Quit Hilikus (Remote closed the connection) 00.52.27 Join Hilikus [0] (n=rockero@bas4-montreal19-1242420994.dsl.bell.ca) 00.52.27 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@203.94.131.115) 00.52.27 Quit perrikwp ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 00.52.27 # bluebrother, apologies if you've seen this before but http://msdn2.microsoft.com/EN-US/library/aa384097.aspx seems to do what you need 00.52.27 Part Hilikus 00.52.44 # linuxstb, I believe it's GPL now 00.53.18 # I noticed that, but it only works if you have a PAC setup 00.53.21 # linuxstb: GPL indeed - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhoneME 00.54.21 # bluebrother, there's a fall back function if that doesn't work, http://msdn2.microsoft.com/EN-US/library/aa384096.aspx 01.09.34 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 01.09.34 # yeah, that might do it. 01.09.34 Quit ender` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.09.34 # I think the google language decision is neither IP nor cookie based 01.09.34 Join linuxstb [0] (n=chatzill@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 01.09.34 # The user agent (i.e. browser) sends which language(s) it prefers, and the first one is usually the browser's ui language 01.09.34 # In firefox you can edit the accept-languages list 01.09.34 # my browser is en_US 01.09.34 # Febs: Stop helping the user trying to convert his ipod to FAT32 - I want to give him a version of ipodpatcher soon which will do it for him (I need testers...) ;) 01.09.34 Quit safetydan ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 01.09.34 # amiconn: my browser is en-us too 01.09.34 # No problem. :) 01.09.34 DBUG Enqueued KICK amiconn 01.09.34 # Yeah, but is the accept-languages list also set to en-us first? 01.09.34 # I only have en in my language list 01.09.34 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 01.09.34 DBUG Enqueued KICK bluebrother 01.09.34 # running a linux box, no localization enabled or installed for the whole system 01.09.34 # amiconn: the only languages i have are en-us and en 01.09.34 # Febs: Thanks ;) I've just added a post to the forum thread as well. 01.09.34 # hmm 01.09.34 # amiconn: i'll try write a php script to connect too google, without any ugly browser variables 01.09.34 DBUG Enqueued KICK SliMM 01.09.34 # and i'll see what i get 01.09.34 # Anyone else struggling to reach www.rockbox.org at the moment? 01.09.34 # Aye 01.09.34 # linuxstb: yup 01.09.34 # same here 01.09.34 *** Alert Mode level 1 01.09.34 # it's official then 01.09.34 DBUG Enqueued KICK linuxstb 01.09.34 # Just after Bagder goes to bed... 01.09.34 *** Alert Mode level 2 01.09.34 # :P 01.09.34 # Seems to always be after he goes to bed 01.09.34 # I reckon he does it intentionally :p 01.09.34 # We need his mobile phone number... 01.09.34 # isn't that called Murphy's law 01.09.34 Join webguest82 [0] (i=43a35bd4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a90cbbe167e164e7) 01.09.34 DBUG Enqueued KICK Soul-Slayer 01.09.34 # linuxstb: Definitely a case of murphys law based on your forum post:... "and should be able to upload it in the next 30 minutes or so." 01.09.34 Part maffe 01.09.34 *** Alert Mode level 3 01.09.34 # I wasn't planning on uploading it to rockbox.org 01.09.34 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 01.09.34 # Well thats okay then. ^^ 01.09.34 # hello i have a question, my friend is trying to install rockbox on his ipod photo but he has a macpod and were using windows we want to kow if we can install it without reformatting his ipod because he would have to restore it. 01.09.34 # no 01.09.36 # actually dont listen to me 01.09.43 # ??? 01.09.48 # huh? 01.09.53 # you need to reformat the Ipod 01.10.01 # as the filesystem is different. 01.10.29 # oh.,,, is there a different way to do it without erasing alle his music? 01.10.43 # copy all music to a different machine first. 01.11.11 Join hannesd_ [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 01.12.11 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.12.28 # Itunes stores all files in the (hidden) folder /iPodControl 01.13.12 # so if the files aren't drm'ed you can pick them up there if you like. The filenames are scrambled though. 01.13.23 # he doesn't have his mac with him...so there is absolutely no way to install it on his ipod without erasing it? 01.13.56 # well, as the term reformat says you need to erase everything during that process. 01.14.13 # you can switch the Ipod into disk mode and make a backup of its contents. 01.14.14 # ..dang... :( 01.15.47 # Not within windows 01.15.56 # Windows can't read HFS+ 01.16.00 # Linux should be able to back it up for you though - a liveCD should work. 01.16.04 # errr ... right. 01.16.16 # if i reformat his ipod and install rockbox when he tries to use it on his mac again will he have to restore it again and erase rockbox??? 01.16.34 # Once he installs rockbox he can ditch itunes. 01.16.40 # amiconn: do you know the standard http request method? 01.16.53 # SliMM: GET? 01.17.01 # webguest82: No, a Mac will happily use a FAT32 formatted ipod (I use it on mine). 01.17.10 # i might have expressed wrong 01.17.19 # This really makes me wonder why there are mac and winpods 01.17.24 # Why not just have them all FAT32? 01.17.33 # how does a browser request a page? 01.17.45 # beacous mac is better than windows 01.17.52 # :) 01.17.55 # FAT32 has nothing to do with Windows 01.18.11 # i'm not talking about that 01.18.14 # Wait for it... Someones going to prove me wrong :P 01.18.14 # well, it's a filesystem invented by Microsoft 01.18.19 # THERE it is :p 01.18.38 # SliMM: try "telnet www.google.com 80" and then type "GET /" 01.19.03 # blebrother so "GET" it is indeed 01.19.33 # can u you guys give me a link please so i can download rockbox give it to him and that way he can install it himself on his mac? Please? 01.19.35 *** Alert Mode OFF 01.19.49 # Either way he needs to convert it to FAT32 01.19.57 # No matter where you do it 01.20.02 # kk 01.20.07 # SliMM: just retrieved a debian template page this way. 01.20.10 # thax anyway 01.20.31 # I just can't connect to google due to my network setup (proxy) 01.20.35 Quit webguest82 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.21.01 # Does anyone else feel a slight shudder go down their spine when they see 'webguestXX' join? :$ 01.21.17 # and i can't use my telnet because it doesn't work :) 01.21.42 # telnet is a nice tool for all plain communications ;-) 01.22.09 Quit linuxchuck (" ") 01.22.47 Quit inversion (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.23.14 Join safetydan [0] (i=cbca159f@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 01.25.20 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 01.25.30 Join mahound [0] (n=mahound@87-196-117-113.net.novis.pt) 01.25.41 # hello 01.25.56 # i've installed rockbox in an iPod nano 01.26.05 # and some scrolling stuff gets out of the screen 01.26.10 # how do i correct that? 01.26.11 Quit hannesd (Connection timed out) 01.26.23 # please define "some" 01.26.38 # what screen? What gets out of the screen? 01.26.44 # listings 01.26.46 # umm... I can't imagine what you mean with "some scrolling stuff" 01.26.50 # brose themes, for instance 01.26.57 # *browse 01.27.02 # do you use an official build? 01.27.03 # when does that happen? 01.27.10 # i use julius' 01.27.14 # do you press "right" for a longer time? 01.27.24 # *meep*. That is an unsupported build. 01.27.33 # ohh 01.27.35 # :S 01.27.35 # ok 01.27.39 # you might have triggered the "screen scrolls out of view" feature. 01.27.46 # it's off 01.27.49 # I do like your unsupported build detector :o... *meep* :p 01.28.12 # is it all the time of or only sometimes? 01.28.32 # that would be why... he uses some patches that could cause that. So if that problem doesn't occur with an official build you'd have to ask him. 01.28.43 # all the time 01.28.55 # then try an official build. 01.28.56 # ok 01.29.04 # where's the source for the official builds? 01.29.25 # well, you found the project web site? 01.30.11 # mahound: Easiest way to get the source is via SVN - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingSVN 01.30.29 # for trying an official build you don't need to compile it. 01.30.44 # there are binaries around that get built on every commit. 01.30.46 # (assuming you meant "source" as in source code...) 01.31.02 # and those "current" builds are the recommended ones. 01.32.51 # just follow the "current build" link on the website ;-) 01.35.32 Quit jhulst (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.35.41 # amiconn: could you try telnet google, because i can't use a php script nor telnet, i have a bad-configured router? :-) 01.39.23 Quit obo ("bye") 01.39.50 Quit SliMM ("Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.12/2007050813]") 01.41.47 Quit boxrock (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.42.23 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@75-128-122-8.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) 01.42.40 Join boxrock [0] (n=chatzill@197.147.121.70.cfl.res.rr.com) 01.48.00 Join boxrock_ [0] (n=chatzill@179.23.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) 01.48.41 Quit advcomp2019 ("Leaving") 01.48.43 Quit mahound (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.49.08 Join mahound [0] (n=mahound@87-196-117-113.net.novis.pt) 01.49.22 # the only thing missing is album artwork 01.49.26 # and it would be perfect 01.50.05 Join boxrock__ [0] (n=chatzill@197.147.121.70.cfl.res.rr.com) 01.53.23 Quit linuxstb ("Chatzilla 0.9.69.1 [Firefox 1.0.2/20050317]") 01.53.31 Quit barrywardell () 01.53.39 Part pixelma 02.00.16 # hmmmmmmmmm 02.01.51 # Seems I found another difference between 1st and 2nd gen 02.02.00 Quit boxrock_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.02.46 # Looks like the 1st gen has that serial bit-banged ADC, while the 2nd gen does not (it probably really has MAX115 in a not-yet-known hookup) 02.04.33 Join boxrock___ [0] (n=chatzill@179.23.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) 02.05.51 Quit boxrock (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.05.51 Quit boxrock___ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.06.23 Join boxrock___ [0] (n=chatzill@197.147.121.70.cfl.res.rr.com) 02.06.25 Nick boxrock___ is now known as boxrock (n=chatzill@197.147.121.70.cfl.res.rr.com) 02.11.33 Quit boxrock (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.14.42 Join boxrock___ [0] (n=chatzill@197.147.121.70.cfl.res.rr.com) 02.14.44 Nick boxrock___ is now known as boxrock (n=chatzill@197.147.121.70.cfl.res.rr.com) 02.18.07 Join boxrock___ [0] (n=chatzill@197.147.121.70.cfl.res.rr.com) 02.18.08 Quit boxrock (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.18.09 Nick boxrock___ is now known as boxrock (n=chatzill@197.147.121.70.cfl.res.rr.com) 02.19.30 Join boxrock___ [0] (n=chatzill@197.147.121.70.cfl.res.rr.com) 02.19.30 Quit boxrock (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.19.32 Nick boxrock___ is now known as boxrock (n=chatzill@197.147.121.70.cfl.res.rr.com) 02.20.14 Quit boxrock__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.21.44 # does 99.99$ a good price for a Iriver H10 20GB refurbished with 3 months warranty ? 02.25.15 Join advcomp2019 [0] (n=advcomp2@66.172.231.192) 02.27.26 Quit sharpe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.28.31 Join sharpe [0] (i=sharpe@user-0c8hc2m.cable.mindspring.com) 02.35.49 Quit petur ("Zzzzz") 02.39.23 Quit sharpe ("Leaving") 02.42.18 Quit boxrock (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.42.55 Join boxrock___ [0] (n=chatzill@197.147.121.70.cfl.res.rr.com) 02.42.57 Nick boxrock___ is now known as boxrock (n=chatzill@197.147.121.70.cfl.res.rr.com) 02.47.05 Join sharpe [0] (i=sharpe@user-0c8hc2m.cable.mindspring.com) 02.54.49 Quit Soul-Slayer (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.54.56 Quit mahound (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.12.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.16.56 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@216.177.197.177) 03.23.28 Join saratoga [0] (i=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8768f9cb97448906) 03.27.11 # toffe82: from what I've seen that seems quite good 03.27.54 Join perrikwp [0] (i=4aa794a0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-cfbaa9cd9f85fa16) 03.41.43 Part luckz ("[IRSSI]") 03.41.54 Join luckz [0] (n=luckz@luckz.de) 03.42.57 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 03.44.53 Quit perrikwp ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 03.52.04 Part Llorean 04.13.51 Join chrisjs169 [0] (i=nuclears@unaffiliated/chrisjs169) 04.15.21 Quit ptw419 () 04.30.17 Quit JdGordon ("Miranda IM! 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09.03.06 # Well I've tried a build from April, but nothing really old 09.03.13 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.dsl.t-2.net) 09.03.24 # The problem started happening a few days ago when I went to update to the latest build 09.03.34 # I probably was using a version that was a couple months old 09.03.42 # That's pretty old - did it still happen in the april build? 09.03.56 # Yeah 09.04.47 # I'm going to see if theres a really old version up in the forums 09.04.54 Join B4gder [0] (n=daniel@static-213-115-255-230.sme.bredbandsbolaget.se) 09.06.09 # aarongoltz: Be careful you only pick unpatched builds. Maybe we could make some for you - it's easy to go back if you have SVN and a build environment. 09.07.07 # Unfortunately I can't recall the build that I was running a few days ago, I know it was old though, and I'm pretty sure it was unpatched 09.07.27 # Best bet is to perform a binary search based on SVN revision numbers. 09.07.50 # So we need to find the number of a build that works for you. 09.08.06 # You can see the number in the version screen, of course. 09.08.22 # I don't have any version installed on my Ipod right now 09.08.28 # which is part of the frustration 09.08.36 # I wish I had the old version so I could at least use my Ipod 09.08.46 # OK, I came into the channel midway through the conversation and was being hopeful. 09.10.08 # aarongoltz: how did you apply your bootloader? 09.10.08 # Before i hassle anyone to build a version, I'm going to try a really old experimental build of senabs, since i used to use them all the time 09.10.12 # Assuming he has them posted 09.10.26 # I've been using the Booloader refered to in the wiki 09.10.34 # Back in the day, I did it by hand using the separate parts 09.10.42 # OK - then post back with a build number and we'll get you an unpatched version. 09.10.56 # Probably best to keep the bootloader unchanged. 09.11.08 Ctcp Ignored 6 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 09.11.08 # * pondlife makes assumptions... 09.11.09 # I mean, a couple months back, I tried uploading the bootloader, and the firmware, and it gave me this same problem, so I reverted back 09.11.23 # Maybe I should try applying the bootloader in the original way 09.11.35 # Where I download the separate parts and type in the commands 09.11.42 # AFAIK, the latest bootloader is backwards compatible, but old bootloaders with new builds will crash. 09.11.58 Quit HellDragon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.12.17 # Can't I install the brand new bootloader by downloading the ipod64......bin and those other files 09.12.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.12.30 # And try installing it the way you used to have to install it 09.13.01 # Installing the bootloader this easy way has been a constant among my problems I think 09.13.59 # err, i've only installed the bootloader using RButil 09.14.20 # i've never had the experience of using ipodpatcher via the terminal 09.14.29 Join Nick_Brackley [0] (i=cb57494b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-cc5bf1b7f20a04dd) 09.15.15 # Well I have a totally clean iPod right now and I'm wondering if its possible to install it the terminal way, and if theres any chance that could have anything to do with my problem 09.15.28 # I don't know if the bootloader even comes into play once your in Rockbox 09.16.18 # the current official method of install is to use ipodpatcher 09.16.22 # http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 09.17.09 # Thanks, thats what I've been refering to. I'm going to install the bootloader right now, and try a really old build 09.17.15 # aarongoltz: the bootloader definitely matters once you're in rockbox 09.17.27 # if you're using an old version it doesn't initialise the hardware in the right way 09.17.35 Join morrijr [0] (n=john@cpc2-mfld9-0-0-cust297.nott.cable.ntl.com) 09.17.41 # GodEater_: New bootloader with old Rockbox is ok, right? 09.17.44 # so make sure you use the most up to date bootloader you can 09.17.48 # Would applying it using IpodPatcher.exe as opposed to the old way using the Command prompt make any difference? 09.17.49 # pondlife: yes - should be fine 09.18.03 # what "old" way are you referring to ? 09.18.30 Join HellDragon [0] (n=Nocebo@unaffiliated/helldragon) 09.18.36 # if you mean "ipod_fw" I wouldn't recommend it - there's nothing it does that ipodpatcher doesn't already do 09.18.37 # Where you downloaded the .bin file, typed in commands to have it back up your original OS, used that utility to figure out what number to type in 09.18.50 # aarongoltz: no - stick to ipodpatcher 09.18.52 # Okay, so I'm going to try the new bootloader with an old build 09.19.14 # pondlife: have you thoroughly explored all dunking options now? 09.19.44 # GodEater: No, shop was out of ginger nuts. Fruit shortcake is a bit too large though. 09.19.59 # It's an enjoyable work-in-progress. 09.20.08 # Maybe deserving of a wiki page?? 09.20.14 # * pondlife is joking. 09.20.17 # hahaha 09.20.21 # no no - I think you should ;) 09.20.34 Quit morrijr (Client Quit) 09.20.37 # just bury it somewhere you can't find it via the contents page 09.20.42 # I mean - this is adding to human knowledge, right? 09.20.45 # absolutely 09.20.46 Join morrijr [0] (n=john@cpc2-mfld9-0-0-cust297.nott.cable.ntl.com) 09.20.46 # lol 09.20.58 # * pondlife loves buried wiki pages 09.20.59 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 09.21.58 Join webguest04 [0] (i=c023110a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e31f3a25f131355b) 09.22.16 # hey all 09.22.23 # Howdy Jd 09.22.40 # Should running 1.2.1 of the Apple OS have anything to do with my problem? 09.22.55 # aarongoltz: no 09.23.06 # it doesn't make any difference what version of apple's firmware you're running 09.23.12 # aliask: hows everything going? 09.23.33 # I'm getting a stack overflow at 0x882143F4 - but my bootloader.map file isn't being much help (mainly because I don't understand it). http://www.pastebin.ca/638956 if anyone wants to help me out :) 09.23.51 # JdGordon: Goood. Saw the simpsons movie today. Slightly disappointed. 09.23.52 # Running the Apple Restore will take out the bootloader right? Or do I need to use a formatting tool first? 09.24.18 # formatting will not touch the partition the apple firmware is in 09.24.31 # aliask: im expecting it to be crap, so havnt seen it yet 09.25.02 # JdGordon: im having problems getting a setting to load at boot, any ideas? 09.25.18 # I only have to pay 50c though :) 09.25.31 # on the topic of Simpsons, here's a pic of a (former) Rockbox committer: http://www.expressen.se/tavlavinn/1.777851/kjell-ericson-vann-simpsons-soffa 09.25.39 Join davina [0] (n=dave@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 09.26.31 # im adding another line selector option and the new choice is written to the cfg file, but it defaults to the inverse bar setting 09.26.33 # aliask: looks like your crash is somewhere in bootloader/common.o 09.26.47 # midgey: i need to see the diff to be able to help you 09.27.00 # Did either of the two error codes I posted mean anything to anyone? 09.27.01 # aliask: you work at the cineams? 09.27.32 # JdGordon: ok, ill post the whole diff file, one moment 09.27.51 # brb 09.27.59 # GodEater_: I thought so too, but it's in the second run of common.o (see earlier in the file and you'll see what I mean). Also, I can't see anywhere in common.c which would cause a stack overflow 09.28.01 # JdGordon: Yep 09.28.05 # Prefetch abort at B8141ECA, and an undefined instruction at 20000004. 09.28.07 # B4gder: oh dear :p 09.28.12 # Speaking of which, I gotta go to work. ;( 09.28.26 # aarongoltz: unless you have a map file to go with those errors, they're not masses of help 09.28.50 # JdGordon: http://www.pastebin.ca/638960 09.28.54 # Okay well I'm just about to try a build from January so I'll see if theres any luck 09.29.10 # This build has the rockbox.ipod outside of the .rockbox folder 09.29.15 # Is that okay with the newest bootloader? 09.29.31 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.5/2007071812]") 09.29.41 # aarongoltz: yes 09.30.25 Join someguy [0] (n=someguy@60-241-237-24.static.tpgi.com.au) 09.30.48 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.32.12 Join HellDragon_ [0] (n=Nocebo@unaffiliated/helldragon) 09.32.16 # Hi. I can't seem to get themes working. As in, when installing a new theme and playing a song, the background doesn't change and it remains the same background as displayed when in the main menu screen. 09.33.31 Quit HellDragon (Nick collision from services.) 09.33.55 Nick HellDragon_ is now known as HellDragon (n=Nocebo@unaffiliated/helldragon) 09.34.03 # midgey: havnt finished looking, but please use #defines or enums for the setting values, not just 1,2,etc 09.34.37 # you're talking about the s->invert stuff right? 09.35.02 # Okay, so it seemed like it is working with this Senab version from January since it played for about 40 seconds, then crashed 09.35.11 # which is twice as long as it usually last before crashing 09.35.22 # I think my Ipod has something wrong with its hardware 09.35.22 # Hmm, I wouldn't count a crash as working 09.36.03 # midgey: no, if (global_settings.invert_cursor == 1) 09.36.27 # aarongoltz: do you always play the same file to test for this crash ? 09.36.28 # and the only thing I can guess is causing it to not load properly is because there is spaces in the config variesbls string 09.36.33 # after the commas I mean 09.36.36 # No, I have tried mp3 and Flac 09.36.43 # * JdGordon not 100% sure that wont break it 09.36.55 # aarongoltz: it's not a very definitive test if you use different files all the time... 09.37.19 # Well I have tested files to make sure they play on my computer 09.37.30 # Don't get me wrong, I have tried playing the same file more than once before 09.37.45 # Best to use the same file each time. Also reset your settings before playing, each time. 09.37.45 # I have a 100 percent crash rate no matter what I play 09.38.18 # yes, but if you use a different file each time, it doesn't help us work out what the problem is 09.39.05 # Even if I play a file, and pause it before it crashes, it crashes when I go to go through other menus 09.40.47 # I feel like maybe something is wrong with my PP chip, since the Ipod has no problems acting as a HD, but it does work when I use the Apple OS 09.41.25 # so how does that follow ? 09.41.56 # Well I was wondering if Rockbox accessed any different part or piece of the hardware that the Apple OS might not 09.42.05 # and maybe there is a piece of hardware thats damaged 09.42.32 # extremely doubtful that that's anything on the portalplayer 09.42.52 # I was up until 5 in the morning trying to get this working last night, and now its 2:45 and I really should be studying for the two economics tests that I have tomorrow 09.43.02 # I don't know how it can be anything except something wrong with my individual Ipod 09.43.21 # it could be something wrong with the files you're playing 09.43.33 # Well I have tried with files from three different computers 09.43.36 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 09.43.39 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp16-199.adsl.forthnet.gr) 09.43.43 Join pwngasm_ [0] (n=vm@dsl-124-148-4-38.qld.westnet.com.au) 09.43.44 # yes, but in different players than rockbox 09.43.47 # So I have ruled out that all the files that were on my Ipod were corrupted 09.43.52 # unless you used the rockbox sim ? 09.44.25 # JdGordon: you were right about the spaces 09.44.26 # hey, i have an iriver h10, and was wondering if it is worth changing to rockbox? 09.44.38 # works perfectly now, thanks for the help 09.44.39 # the codecs built for rockbox are all unique to rockbox - they've all been tweaked to work in a different way to their original forms 09.44.41 # great 09.44.48 # I haven't tried using the ROckbox sim 09.44.51 # pwngasm_: only you can decide that 09.44.55 # Should I see how much code is needed to remove that bug? 09.44.57 # aarongoltz: well that would be another thing to try 09.44.58 # "bug" 09.45.21 # im not sure its worth it 09.45.50 # neither actually :p 09.46.09 # so whats the story witht he FS cleanup? do we get to finally close alot of annoying requests? 09.46.10 # maybe add a comment or make a note on the MenuAPI wiki page 09.46.18 # I will try playing some of my files through the sim tomorrow on my own computer 09.46.25 # * midgey already closed a request today 09.46.40 # midgey: can you add a comment to that effect with this patch/commit? 09.46.41 # JdGordon: yes! 09.46.49 # (on the close question) 09.47.04 # 1253 (and every one similar) 09.47.12 # JdGordon: i'll add the comment to my patch when i clean it up and post it on flyspray 09.47.20 # 1239 and similar 09.47.32 # im not sure if it should be included in svn 09.47.38 Quit webguest04 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 09.47.57 # what are the benefits of changing to rockbox? 09.48.02 # I'm just going to stick my Ipod in the freezer and hope that the screen doesn't crack, then bring it to Best Buy and have them send it out 09.48.16 # why the freezer? 09.48.16 # I'll keep checking the forum though to see if anyone else is having my problem 09.48.25 # Since it will make hte internal parts break 09.48.39 # I once did it with a 3g ipod and sent it to Apple and got a new one days later 09.48.59 # But, in retrospect, I never considered that the screen might have cracked 09.49.06 # in which case they could have claimed I dropped it 09.49.16 # Theres a reason they tell you not to bring your Ipod out in really cold weather 09.49.33 # But this is off topic, and I'm very livid that this isn't working 09.49.46 # Thanks GodEater, JdGordon, midgey and anyone else whose tried helping me 09.49.59 # your welcome :) 09.50.15 # * JdGordon doesnt rmemeber being helpful :p 09.50.25 Join Siltaar [0] (n=Siltaar@reverse-52.fdn.fr) 09.51.13 # at next commit, the script is not supposed to remove the zip files at the start of the build round 09.51.13 Quit aarongoltz ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 09.51.51 Quit scorche` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.52.22 # why? 09.52.39 # wont that be confusing? 09.52.40 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 09.52.43 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp138-164.adsl.forthnet.gr) 09.52.50 # possibly, but it'll change confusions ,-) 09.52.58 # I like seeing the missing links while its compiling so I know how many to go 09.53.01 # since now lots of people get confuse when the downloads are missing during builds 09.53.57 # can you maybe change the font/background colour for the builds which are not fiished yet? 09.54.20 # close 4922? 09.54.23 # that'd take some magic this script doesn't have 09.55.02 # ok 09.59.25 # * amiconn found another GPIO_B bitbanging driver, probably for the 2nd gen :) 10.00.16 # Note to self: It was a good idea to disassemble the flash rom 10.02.19 # should 1249 be closed? its asking for a verticle slider instead of the old setting screen (i.e the setting name, and the value and nothin else)...? 10.04.25 Join webguest04 [0] (i=c023110a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-98ffe588d7e302da) 10.04.36 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@212.204.47.129) 10.07.25 Quit pwngasm_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.07.59 # amiconn: are you writing down everything you find out about the pp's? 10.10.54 # can rockbox read ape 2 tags yet? 10.11.10 # and if not, should 1625 requesting them be closed? 10.12.06 Join perrikwp [0] (i=4aa794a0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-21e0ecfe57e6623a) 10.12.36 # jhMikeS: the scrolling you fiddled with the other day, how hard would it be to get it to scroll left to right? 10.13.58 # ape tags are supported for formats where they belong, but not for mp3 10.14.16 # This is on purpose, was discussed multiple times, and should stay that way imo 10.14.16 Quit perrikwp (Client Quit) 10.14.34 # so then 1625 can be closed? 10.15.41 # Imho it should. id3v2 can be used to carry replaygain info as well. 10.20.08 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host228-208-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 10.20.19 # anyone have an idea how to (without a setting) switch between using the wheel to seek instead of volume? 10.20.25 # JdGordon: ummm...doesn't it already? 10.20.39 # ...no...? 10.21.27 # which scrolling? the scroller thread? 10.21.42 # hang on.. what you talking about? 10.22.27 # * jhMikeS fiddled with scroll wheels and lines scrolling 10.22.39 Join obo [0] (n=obo@rockbox/developer/obo) 10.22.58 # yeah, umm... RTL languages scroll the opposite way to english 10.23.31 # ok, gotcha. probably not too hard at all. 10.23.57 # that and putting the icons on the right is all thats still needed for better RTL handling 10.24.05 # .. and flipping the left/right buttons 10.24.32 # why flip the buttons? isn't left always to the left? :P 10.25.20 # no, left is accept, right is cancel... if the text is aligned on the right left is cancel and right is accept 10.26.01 # Then we would need a global marker in the language file whether it's ltr or rtl 10.26.04 Quit midgey () 10.26.19 # not really... I tihnk we only have one rtl lang atm 10.26.40 # * JdGordon isnt native rtl users but is pretty sure it would feel more correct fliping the buttons 10.26.48 # yeah, and? 10.27.08 # Surely you want to do it in a clean way? 10.27.13 # * GodEater_ sniggers. His plugin has taken the plugni api to version 69 10.27.14 # * amiconn dislikes nasty hacks 10.27.43 # its not really a nasty hack 10.27.50 # * amiconn also dislikes if original code is buggy 10.28.18 # The GPIO_B bit-banging driver I found is ... ummm, .... 10.29.08 # Well, we only have one rtl language atm. Who says that won't change? There are quite a few rtl languages out there 10.29.24 # how is the scroller supposed to be informed to work right-justified and scroll LTR when doing one direction? 10.29.26 # it seems we dont have many arabic users 10.29.39 # how can you know? 10.29.55 # because arabic languages are the major RTL ones... 10.30.18 # http://www.i18nguy.com/temp/rtl.html 10.30.22 # should I just make each scroller have its own flag? 10.30.24 # yes, but since we don't have arabic, arabic users probably use english... 10.30.41 # GodEater: almost as bad as that thread in the recording subforum ;) 10.31.06 # petur: almost ;) 10.31.42 # dinner time, back later 10.32.31 # B4gder: congratulations to Kjell ;) 10.32.49 # ;-) I'll forward it 10.33.27 # now I have to visit him to check out his Simpson sofa 10.33.33 # * jhMikeS will just decide on the way to do it then 10.36.04 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 10.36.07 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp173-215.adsl.forthnet.gr) 10.43.18 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 10.45.05 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@h218n1fls35o293.telia.com) 10.45.42 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 10.52.04 # ! 10.53.50 # ? 10.53.57 # . 10.54.00 # % 10.54.04 # $ 10.54.06 # # 10.54.11 # * 10.54.32 # No, I'm now quite sure I know how to read the battery adc on 1st gen and 2nd gen 10.54.40 # line noise nostalgia... 10.54.49 # ...even though the 1st gen isn't here yet :/ 11.03.27 Quit webguest04 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 11.12.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.12.57 Quit kubiix ("Miranda IM! 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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 12.12.09 # JdGordon: s/flyspray cleanup :(/flyspray cleanup :) 12.13.09 # B4gder: Thanks for the mug and T-shirt, by the way 12.20.33 Join Entasis [0] (n=Jarred@ppp121-45-39-72.lns10.adl2.internode.on.net) 12.24.13 Quit webguest76 ("CGI:IRC") 12.27.34 # pondlife: na, commitintg it would have got a :) 12.27.37 Quit someguy ("Java user signed off") 12.31.17 Quit thomasg_ (Connection timed out) 12.31.38 Join thomasg_ [0] (n=thomasg@p57AFFA76.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.32.18 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 12.32.22 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp163-128.adsl.forthnet.gr) 12.34.53 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 12.37.06 # anyone still around or everyone gone for lunch already? Is there a minimum date that patches which dont apply anymore can be kept open? 12.37.44 # * JdGordon prods markun in the direction of FS#5028 12.38.36 Join webguest63 [0] (i=3aaae653@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-48a7c507ddc5c923) 12.39.51 # amiconn: back on the topic of apev2 tags for mp3, I didnt know there already is a patch for it, and its a small one, reject it even though it is small and uses the id3 tags if they are present? 12.39.56 # 2598 12.40.23 # JdGordon: What do you mean by "even the player can split the song on id3 tags" in your closure message for this task? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/1595 12.41.12 # I meant that using a half-decent wps the track could be split over more han 1 line 12.41.13 # Well, this question actually refers to whether we want to support wrong tagging formats in rockbox. Imho we shouldn't 12.41.31 # JdGordon: The track name can be displayed on two lines? 12.41.39 # ape tags are for mokeys audio and for wavpack. mp3 uses id3v1 and/or id3v2 12.42.39 # linuxstb: hmm, got trigger happy, seems i misread that as track filename 12.43.08 # amiconn: are ape tags fairly common in mp3? I dont think we shouldnt support it just because its not standard if they are commonly used 12.43.34 # I recall there being no objections to supporting APEv2 tags in MP3 when it's been discussed before - apart from the fact that the current structure of the code (id3 parser in firmware/, apev2 parser in apps/) makes it inefficient. 12.43.36 # I don't know. I havent seen a single mp3 file with ape tags myself 12.43.41 # Anyone familier with gigabeats? sorry to throw the topic 12.43.51 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@110.49.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 12.43.57 # does anyone know how to change the associated program for file types in firefox? 12.44.02 # amiconn: It seems to be the default behaviour for foobar (not that foobar is always sane...) 12.44.10 # (also, never seen ape tags) 12.44.21 Join pwngasm_ [0] (n=vm@dsl-124-148-4-38.qld.westnet.com.au) 12.44.47 # Well, it's not the only weirdness in foobar 12.44.56 # Why is there a question mark next to XtremeMac there? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodAccessories 12.45.13 # i need help, when i go to play a song, it says "Searching...[number] found (PREV to abort)" and does nothing 12.45.18 Quit webguest63 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 12.45.54 # amiconn: I don't really care either way, but I seem to recall preglow being in favour of supporting it. 12.46.36 # anyone help me? 12.46.38 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 12.47.15 # Imo all what rockbox should do with wrong tags is properly ignoring them instead of crashing. Supporting them encourages using them, and that's bad if you ask me... 12.47.26 # But it seems to me that APE is a clearer standard than id3v2, so maybe its use should be encouraged... 12.48.02 # (or at least, supported if users wish to use them) 12.49.41 # Even if we would want to (which I don't), there is the problem how to do it properly 12.50.01 # (regarding the placement of id3 parser, ape parser, and the playback engines which need them) 12.50.30 # I agree with that - it shouldn't be implemented until at least the metadata parsers are unified. 12.50.44 # has anyone got a 1.8" hard disk they want to get rid of cheap? 12.51.07 # But then it should be trivial - the check for an id3v1 tag at the end of the file can also check for an APEv2 tag. 12.51.45 # Are ape tags always placed at the end? 12.52.23 # afaik, yes. They contain a "tail" - a header at the very end of the file, and then the tags themselves are behind that tail. 12.52.37 # That's worse than in the beginning in at least 2 situations: (1) streaming. (2) mobile players 12.52.52 # Reading the tag at the end requires a seek... 12.52.57 # B4gder: genlang includes strings based on the target specified in translations files even if they are not included for that target in the english.lang files and gives all these strings the id 0 which is the same as for "Yes" naturally this confuses rockbox, do you think you could have a look at it? 12.53.01 # But how costly is a seek? 12.53.24 # We already seek in mp3 files to test for id3v1 at the end (IIUC) 12.53.34 # s/IIUC/IIRC/ 12.54.45 # We only do if either id3 tag priority is set to prefer id3v1 (which is not the default), or if there is no id3v2 tag in the file 12.57.13 # Yes, I'm just saying that for users without APE tags, nothing should change by implementing APE support - i.e. we won't need extra seeks or reads to look for APE, it will be combined with the existing id3v1 check. 12.58.25 # It would change. You would need 6 preferred tag order values instead of 2, and an additional tag reader for the 'wrong' tagging format in the binary 13.00.36 # n1s: can you please show me a recipe on how to repeat the problem (probably best in the FS entry for the lang work) 13.00.54 # B4gder: yes 13.04.45 # is there something wrong with the character encoding of onplay.c ? 13.05.35 # whenever I edit it to put a couple of new calls in, the diff thinks I've edited it all over the place 13.06.04 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 13.06.22 # Hmm, searching the wiki for "wiki" gives HTTP 500. 13.06.56 # nm, worked 4th time 13.09.01 # The-Compiler: XtremeMac was picked up as a WikiWord. I've fixed it now (by prepending an !). 13.10.43 # B4gder: ok, recipe posted http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6574 13.11.22 # thanks, I'll check it out asap 13.11.49 # can someone try reproducing 5797? I just tried twice and couldnt 13.12.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.13.05 # pondlife: thanks 13.14.39 # JdGordon: I still get that 13.15.07 # it seems to be a dircache issue, but I haven't been able to track it down 13.15.29 # wierd, ok, sansa doesnt have dircache anymore so ignore my comment then 13.15.40 # JdGordon: stripwax demonstrated it infallibly at DevConPub2 - The Revenge 13.15.50 # haha righto 13.16.09 # GodEater: I just put a note on FS! 13.16.33 # "sansa doesnt have dircache anymore"??? 13.16.38 # hahaha 13.16.50 # It doesn't 13.16.53 # linuxstb: did you get a chance to try out the "favourites" plugin over the weekend at all ? 13.16.54 # pondlife: removed because dircache and hotswap dont work together 13.16.58 # Ah, ok 13.17.03 # Dircache isn't hotswap & ,ultivolume compatible 13.17.21 # * amiconn too slow 13.17.29 # does dircache even make any sense on a flash target ? 13.17.41 # * GodEater_ would have thought a read is pretty damn fast anyway 13.17.47 # GodEater_: you gotta remove the gui_synclist_draw() call in your favorites plugin in the if (rb->gui_synclist_do_button(&gui_favourites,button, block.... the wiki was wrong (and has been fixed) 13.17.49 # Only as some database features depend on it 13.17.59 # Well they shouldn't. 13.18.08 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 13.18.09 # * JdGordon thought that dependacy was removed 13.18.22 # It should only make things faster, not add functionality. 13.18.32 # And with no spinup, it's not needed. 13.18.47 # JdGordon: just remove it, or replace it with something else? 13.18.52 # remove it 13.19.01 # or probably replace with continue; 13.19.27 # * amiconn now notices that our flac decoder is indeed very efficient - it doesn't boost at all even on PP5002 13.20.02 # efficient enough for archos? 13.20.09 # Probably not 13.20.18 Join webguest05 [0] (i=c023110a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0558374b9d743df1) 13.20.33 # * GodEater_ goes to do that 13.20.46 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 13.20.49 # The important point is that both arm and coldfire have a shift-by-n instruction, while SH1 doesn't 13.21.15 # And the golomb-rice decoding does a lot of variable shifting 13.21.37 # JdGordon: tried to reproduce 5797 worked as expected on target, segfault in sim though... 13.21.58 # Shorten also uses golomb-rice coding but less complexity on top of that, so shorten might be within reach on SH 13.22.01 # * linuxstb_ remembers the FLAC decoder is all in IRAM and that he should test the impact of removing it on PP502x 13.22.13 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 13.22.15 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 13.22.18 # But probably the whole decoder core would need to be implemented in asm 13.23.13 # (e.g. flac has variable channel decorrelation while shorten always encodes plain L and R) 13.23.42 # amiconn: would a simple unsigned long -> uint32_t and long -> int32_t search and replace fix the 64 bit crashes in libmad? and if so should we do this? 13.23.49 # The lpc decoder won't be a problem as long as the decoder only handles sample depths of <= 16 bits 13.24.20 # n1s: Perhaps it would, but it's not a proper solution 13.24.33 # It's just one file that needs to be changed 13.24.47 # JdGordon: done 13.24.51 # n1s: I tried to fix that a week or two ago, by using an older version of synth_full just for the simulator - it fixed one fault, but caused another later on in the code 13.25.26 # obo: Ah yes, there are other places where a different fix is needed 13.25.51 # * amiconn already has that fix in his working copy on the linux box, but can't test it because the other fix is missing 13.25.52 # I got lost and gave up :-/ 13.27.14 # It looks like we don't use the latest version of libmad... afaik, most (all?) open source mp3 players on linux use libmad 13.27.25 # ...and I can play mp3 on my linux box just fine 13.27.41 # libmad has been updated? 13.27.45 # Hmm, or they use the floating point version... 13.28.06 # I bet they do 13.28.33 # Anyway, I think I know what needs fixing, I just need to sit down and do it 13.28.54 # But that means less time for PP RE... :/ 13.31.55 # Also on 64bit sims it crashes on track changes, whatever the codec 13.32.52 # obo: not here with vorbis, flac or wma 13.34.11 # strange - all of those crashed for me. 13.36.34 # * GodEater_ tests his plugin on an actual DAP, and is pleasantly surprised to find it actually works 13.37.47 # now if I could only remember who it was that had asked for it.. 13.39.44 # hmm - someone by the name of "fm2" 13.42.33 # GodEater: Alexander Levin? 13.44.52 # possibly 13.45.06 # I just put a post about it in the plugins forum. Maybe he'll see it there. 13.47.54 # Hmm, that's twice I've managed to crash SVN Rockbox on H340 by skipping tracks while paused, but not reproducibly. 13.50.42 # Anyway, FS#6266 doesn't seem to be the cause... so now I just need to know if it actually fixes the problem. 13.52.32 # GodEater: didn't the idea come up while discussing his feature request in http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7445 ? 13.54.03 # Anyone object to me closing http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5758 ? A set of WAV files should do fine, right..? 13.54.09 # pixelma: not sure - I don't remember that being part of the discussion personally 13.55.52 # pondlife: it would be a nice idea for a plugin though... 13.56.02 # OK, will leave it open 13.56.21 Join Jon-Kha_ [0] (i=jon-kha@a91-152-87-243.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 13.56.32 Join Soul-Slayer [0] (n=Administ@89.241.227.153) 13.57.26 # pixelma: I'm an idiot, I looked at 7455, not 7445 - you're right - it did come from that. 13.58.17 # :) 13.58.43 # well if I can get this plugin into a shape worth commiting - then we can close that feature request as implemented ;) 13.58.57 # assuming people don't mind it 13.59.20 Quit Jon-Kha_ (Client Quit) 13.59.33 # petur: Did you get any further with the H300 bootloader? It still works ok here... 14.00.18 Join Jon-Kha_ [0] (i=jon-kha@a91-152-87-243.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 14.00.18 # I'm not happy trying bootloaders :/ 14.00.26 # Just wondered. 14.00.29 Quit Jon-Kha_ (Client Quit) 14.00.42 # I'm sorely tempted to close FS#4753 though... 14.01.57 Quit pwngasm_ ("Ex-Chat") 14.01.58 # not until that version is released to the public 14.02.32 # It is in SVN. 14.02.47 # :) 14.05.05 Join SliMM [0] (n=chatzill@89.137.226.12) 14.07.59 Quit Nick_Brackley ("CGI:IRC") 14.08.46 # anyone with the power feel like rejecting 7450? This was discussed in the forums and I think we came to the conclusion it's a daft idea on a DAP. 14.08.56 # Linus's latest bootloader works for me okay 14.09.02 # btw where is Linus lost? 14.09.59 # XavierGr: Linus gave me a fairly recent bootloader right after Devcon and it fails to boot 50% of the time 14.10.16 # GodEater: It's closed now. 14.10.53 # petur: weird I think I am using one before the devcon and it works 14.10.56 # The current SVN sim seems to display a flickery, barely there status bar on the WPS. Is this a known issue? 14.11.19 # H300 sim, default settingsd. 14.11.25 # add to that that the official bootloader never lets me use USB bootloader mode 14.11.49 # Same here 14.11.51 # XavierGr: I suspect the fact that I use a 80GB disk has to do with it - some timing issue with disk access maybe 14.11.54 Join bdgraue [0] (n=bdgraue@host-091-097-090-216.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 14.12.47 # although it shouldn't... 14.12.48 # pondfire: i don't think that's a good reason for closing 7450, since the description only needs 4 keys 14.13.21 # erm h100's batteries are quite difficult to remove ... 14.13.24 # pondlife* lol 14.13.29 # anyone has advices on how to do that ? 14.13.31 # SliMM: yes, but most text adventures require a LOT more key presses than that 14.13.50 # ok :) 14.13.54 # SliMM: he only mentioned directions, but things like Zork require you to type a lot of english sentences 14.13.58 # TiMiD[FD]: MR has some fine guides 14.14.06 # I'm not stopping him writing one, just rejecting the request. 14.14.35 # http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/screens.c?r1=13957&r2=13972&pathrev=13972 seems to fix a similar symptom to the one I'm seeing. 14.14.35 # I was thinking the same as SliMM - if we're saying "go ahead and implement it", then why is it rejected? 14.14.43 # TiMiD: what is your difficulty exactly? 14.15.15 # you just unscrew the player and from the front of the mobo you remove the battery from its jack 14.15.32 # I have the board and the battery 14.15.39 # but the connector jues toesn't unplug 14.15.42 # now the jack is a little tight but it should come out after wiggling it a bit 14.15.46 # aha 14.15.59 # I'm a little afraid of pulling too hard, it seems a litle fragile ;) 14.16.06 # linuxstb: I was more thinking "We think this is a useless idea, but you are free to feel differently about it." 14.16.15 # try with a screw driver pushing it out a little at a time 14.16.21 # anyone remembers some analytical geometry? 14.16.33 # also don't be afraid too much even you ruin the hack you can still solder the battery in it :P 14.16.42 # hack/jack 14.16.43 # that's what I was trying to, but the plastic is very flexible :) 14.17.07 # yeah I remember it took me sometime but in the end it flipped off 14.17.28 # I wanna remove the battery before starting soldering the rtc chip :) 14.17.32 # what ar the coords of a point 'p' on a segment ab, whitch splits the segment like ap/pb = k? 14.17.34 # oh nice mode 14.17.36 # I have to do this this evening 14.17.36 # mod 14.17.48 # I got the soldering iron from my company .. 14.17.52 # I wake up every day with my H100 now 14.18.06 # so you sleep with earplugs ? :p 14.18.08 # and since H300 doesn't have RTC capabilities in the bootloader it works wonders 14.18.33 # TiMiD[FD]: no, I have plugged some PC speakers above my bed 14.18.45 # ah ok 14.18.48 # please, i can't find my maths notebook 14.19.00 Join Jon-Kha_ [0] (i=jonkka@a91-152-87-243.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 14.19.01 # * TiMiD[FD] runs away 14.19.03 # though I kinda dislike the fact that I have to leave the speakers on for a whole night 14.19.11 # yep 14.19.14 # energy waste :) 14.19.15 # SliMM: Try #analytical-geometry ? 14.19.23 # I must find those that auto power on on signal 14.19.24 # you could put an alarm on the speakers as well :) 14.19.27 # LOL 14.19.36 # yey, i am the op there now 14.19.38 # and i can asc myself 14.19.44 # ask* 14.19.51 # it is rockbox-related 14.20.03 # graphics :> 14.20.04 # :) 14.20.23 Quit Jon-Kha ("Lost terminal") 14.20.27 # also eating ramens with chopsticks isn't the best thing to do 10cm besides an opened iriver ... 14.20.40 # Depends on the sauce... 14.20.48 # heh 14.20.58 # Or more on the conductivity of the sauce. 14.21.14 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF4D6D.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.21.15 Quit webguest05 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 14.21.26 # or the agility of the eater 14.22.17 # TiMiD[FD]: pointer about the rtc mod, place the chip correctly before soldering, I am stupid and the first time I soldered the wires with the chip upside up instead of upside down 14.22.49 # hah yes I saw that on the wiki 14.22.52 # upside down 14.22.52 # How do I update to a clean SVN short of deleting modified files and letting 'svn up' restore them? 14.23.15 # I used cold silicon to glue it in place (just a tiny bit) 14.23.21 # I received trhe samples in 1 day :) 14.24.02 # oh and I found it easier to solder the wires while the chip was on my base instead on the player 14.24.08 # Febs: svn revert -R . 14.24.09 # but right now I'm just trying to remove this silly battery with my chopsticks and ... oh wait 14.25.48 # struggling with the battery ... 14.25.51 # kitsui 14.32.04 # grrr what's the point of making connectors if noone can remove them 14.35.03 # wow fantastic the battery side connector broke 14.35.46 # is it possible to power up the iriver without battery ? 14.35.53 # I mean with the ac cable 14.36.01 # I don't think so 14.36.09 # ok 14.38.43 # hahahahah - just got the *best* prefetch abort in mpegplayer : C0EDBABE 14.38.48 # that's got to be a joke... 14.39.42 # ha, found it: Xp = (Xa+k*Xb)/(1+k) 14.39.48 # the same for y 14.40.13 # TiMiD[FD]: ouch! I guess you will have to go for a soldering joint then :\ 14.44.23 # it's ok 14.44.28 # I work for a connector company 14.44.31 # :] 14.44.40 # I can have a lot of connectors 14.49.17 Join advcomp2019- [0] (n=advcomp2@66.172.231.192) 14.49.28 # GodEater_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexadecimal#Humor :P 14.49.58 Join webguest05 [0] (i=c023110a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2c6a44f5da16f91f) 14.53.21 # Soul-Slayer: I note "Co-ed Babe" is missing from that page ;) 14.53.23 Join atsea- [0] (i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-212c0d799cbcba58) 14.56.03 # http://daniel.haxx.se/hexpoetry/ ! ;-) 14.58.10 # and no, I'm never bored ;-P 15.00.21 # * linuxstb isn't sure how to react to that webpage... ;) 15.01.06 # you feel all warm and tear-eyed reading all that fine poetry? ;-) 15.01.34 # Yes, that's it. 15.01.42 # Especially the Swedish 15.01.58 # yes, that's indeed very touching 15.03.03 # the ballad of a bad call is actually quite good! 15.03.03 # I assume you're back at work now? ;) 15.03.10 Quit idnar (Nick collision from services.) 15.03.13 # haha 15.03.13 Join idnar_ [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 15.03.22 # I did that page ages ago... while at work I'm sure ;-) 15.03.26 Nick idnar_ is now known as idnar (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 15.05.14 # anyone can help me with an idea? 15.05.25 # rockbox-related, of course 15.06.23 # SliMM: if you tell us what the problem is we might... 15.06.36 # great 15.06.42 # or we can guess! 15.06.42 # let me think how to put it 15.07.04 Quit advcomp2019 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.07.32 # damn.. i needed a scanner, wait a bit 15.09.55 # * linuxstb looks forward to reading the logs 15.09.57 Quit linuxstb ("Leaving") 15.12.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.14.43 # hmmm 15.14.43 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.15.23 # Not sure yet, but it seems that rockbox battery runtime on PP5002 isn't nearly as bad compared to the OF as it is on PP5020+ 15.16.29 # I'llnever trust that thing to awake me ... 15.17.27 # Apple specifies 10 hours for the 1st/2nd gen, and I am now running my 2nd gen for 4 hours (_not_ starting from a 100% charged battery) without the voltage changing much... 15.17.56 # amiconn: is music playback stable now? 15.18.01 # yes, 100% 15.18.08 # wow :-) 15.18.25 # time to add builds to the build table? 15.18.33 # I'm still not sure about the calibration, hence I will run it down almost completely, then open it and measure battery voltage 15.19.14 # Well, it's not tested on 1st gen at all yet (still not here) :( 15.19.28 # 1st gen will need some (tiny) adjustments 15.19.40 # well, we can start with the 2gen 15.19.47 # It's only one build 15.19.49 # B4gder: can you create a section on flyspray for good patches that arnt being commited becasue they arent done the correct way, or waiting on a feature instead of doing it (like viewports)? 15.19.54 # and see if there are any such users... :-) 15.19.58 # are the changes likely to affect the 3G too ? 15.20.13 # Yes, I would expect the 3rd gen to be completely stable as well 15.20.35 # that's good news then 15.20.54 # Well, it was the clock setup (...as usual...) 15.21.13 # As a bonus there's the snappy wheel operation... 15.22.17 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 15.22.54 # The next steps are: * battery readout (wanna add that for both 1st and 2nd gen at once). * sleep mode as compensation for the impossible poweroff. * Reboot into diskmode, or if that's not possible, let the bootloader detect firewire and boot into OF 15.23.30 Join ShadowXP [0] (n=ShadowXP@pool-71-104-126-9.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 15.23.37 # amiconn: are you sure the 1g and 2g will be a single build? 15.23.41 # yes 15.23.46 # ok 15.23.50 # ok, here it is: http://stereo3d.adpeach.com/rockbox/cube.png 15.23.57 # They're intistinguisable by ipodpatcher as well 15.24.03 # Apple also uses a unified firmware 15.24.22 # * GodEater_ waits for an explanation from SliMM 15.24.28 # * B4gder sees a cube 15.24.39 # every 'square' on that 'cube' is made of 4 points, 2 coords each 15.24.51 # with you so far 15.25.23 # so you guys decided to finally not support the R series of sansa e200s? 15.25.24 # * GodEater_ waits for the maths to move into non-euclidian space and hence leave him drooling on his desk 15.25.33 # 2 coords if specified within larger square 15.25.36 # the 15.25.37 # * jhMikeS sees Rubick's Revenge 15.25.43 # ShadowXP: we've made no such decision - we simply don't know HOW to support it 15.25.45 # how can i efficiently assign each 4 points to each face 15.25.47 # ? 15.25.57 # ah 15.26.11 # they did a good job on fucking over the owners of those, eh? 15.26.18 # yes 15.26.23 # i know how to generate the points, but how to store and assifn them to each face.. 15.26.24 # the R is rip off tbh 15.26.38 # they preload music you cant even listen to 15.26.41 # and hide it 15.27.06 # if it hadnt been for linux I probably would have never known what was eating a whole gig of space 15.27.07 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@avc146.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 15.27.21 # ShadowXP: it doesn't help that we've no active developer who owns such a model 15.27.25 # I got it as a gift so no worries 15.27.28 # jhmikes: well, not rubick, another logic game :P 15.27.37 # if I could code I'd help 15.27.53 # you've no idea how many people we hear that from =/ 15.28.08 # * SliMM wondres if someone can help with an idea 15.28.32 # hey, has an mp3 player surfaced based on rockbox? 15.28.41 # SliMM: isn't this the realm of 3d gfx programming ? 15.28.46 # ShadowXP: not yet 15.29.00 # Bagder: So far I only know of 3 small differences between the 1st gen and 2nd gen hardware 15.29.19 # The rest is identical (and the design is also exactly the same) 15.29.28 # Godeather_: i don't know, but all can be done easily 2D 15.29.41 # i know how to generate the points 15.30.20 Part pixelma 15.30.30 # SliMM: well ALL 3d gfx programming is really in 2d. 15.31.20 # ok, this is not really 3d, because it has that 'mathematical' perspective that makes everything a lot easier 15.32.26 # anyway, i have nothing to do with an array of points, and i don't know how to efficiently link them to the faces :-? 15.33.07 # * jhMikeS thinks the answer lies in the question 15.33.12 # (1) The 1st gen has a mechanical wheel, which must be enabled via a port pin. Then it behaves identical to the 2nd gen's touch wheel. (2) The 2nd gen has headphone detection (same port pin as the wheel enable on the 1st gen) (3) They have different battery ADCs (which are hooked up to the same 4 port pins but in a different way) 15.33.46 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.33.46 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 15.34.02 # well, could you find an answer, jhmikes? 15.34.03 # Oh, and I forgot that the 1st gen needs a few extra steps in the audio init 15.35.04 # * amiconn thinks that if hdd poweroff works as ipl figured out, we might even be able to outperform the OF wrt runtime 15.35.50 # * amiconn should also look into making dualcore operation work 15.37.50 # well, you said "links" ... or maybe I meant a question with an embedded answer is a lie :p 15.38.53 # * B4gder finally created http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaE200R 15.39.27 # TiMiD[FD]: what do you mean you will never trust it, did you use it? 15.40.28 # seems that encoding faces is more efficient than encoding points anyway 15.40.41 Join webguest54 [0] (i=58e58087@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-22e7b0e20b3920b3) 15.40.45 # hi 15.40.55 # my hdd locked 15.41.46 # I'm soldering 15.41.52 # it's pretty tight ... 15.42.09 # i'm stuck.. 15.42.18 # B4gder: Maybe adding a build now would be a good idea. There can't be users before we publish a bootloader anyway 15.42.23 # TiMiD[FD]: you should see the USB charging mod pins 15.42.29 # true 15.42.33 # I'll add a build 15.42.37 # i'll discuss this with my friends, maybe they'll come up with an idea 15.42.53 Quit Jon-Kha_ (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 15.42.58 # webguest54: what do you mean by locked? 15.43.02 # erm ... 15.43.10 # I prefer to stick to that ... 15.43.22 # give to me archosunluck download link 15.43.25 # I hope it'll still work after I replug the battery 15.43.52 # TiMiD[FD]: yeah I had the same feeling, but you will see in the end that all will go smooth 15.44.12 # i have no idea what that is, but i think a 'please' would help you a lot 15.44.16 # does line 2345 look funnny to anyone else (or is it just that im really tired), the filename isnt set in the playlist when adding files for dirplay? 15.44.20 # * amiconn opened his 2nd gen and notices that it features a replacement battery with higher capacity than the original 15.44.21 # of playlist.c of course 15.44.22 # now we just need a commmit 15.44.33 # 1600mAh instead of the stock 1230 15.44.46 # amiconn: haha, so much for longer run-time :-) 15.44.49 # amiconn: so that's tyour battery life secret 15.44.51 # hehe 15.45.12 # We'll see 15.45.24 # I'm not sure 15.45.30 # As soon as I have properly calibrated battery voltage, I will perform a runtime test 15.45.31 # I broke the battery connector .. 15.45.49 # And I'm working under low light conditions 15.45.51 # with a candle 15.45.57 # (just kidding ...) 15.46.10 # amiconn: do any of the iPod batts have a full-charge voltage of 4.2V? 15.46.26 # well the battery connector is not crucial, it just a neat way to handle cables 15.46.44 # +is 15.47.42 # jhMikeS: I don't know yet. I just measured almost-discharged voltage (apple battery symbol displays 1 of 4 segments), and it's 3.73V 15.48.13 # Now it's charging... 15.48.42 Quit webguest54 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 15.48.47 # * JdGordon thinks he fixed a playlist bug in his half-asleepedness! 15.48.55 # hmmm. sansa e200 batt says 3.7V but it's full charge is 4.2V. I'm looking for an x5 compatible replacement actually. 15.50.11 # 3.7V is the nominal voltage of all LiPo batteries 15.50.34 # JdGordon: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7423 ? 15.50.36 # some say 3.6V iirc 15.50.36 # But the full-charge voltage differs 15.50.58 # pondlife: yep 15.51.10 # Cool, saves me looking into it! 15.51.14 # and hopefully the other one which is the same thing almost 15.51.24 # The codec failure one? 15.51.34 # yeah 15.51.48 # Great - commit, or patch? 15.52.23 # btw, why the bold font for "has begun!" on the homepage? 15.52.25 # jhMikeS: The 1st/2nd gen ipod battery would be too large for the X5 anyway 15.53.01 # It has roughly the same footprint as the hdd (like the iriver H1x0 and H300 batteries) 15.53.19 # pondlife: i was going to commit, but i was testing and now have to go dowstairs to find my sansa cable :'( wanna test the patch to make sure its ok? 15.53.26 # Yep 15.53.52 # (Although I'm also testing FS#6266.) 15.53.54 # amiconn: hmmm. ok. noone ever gives a full-charge spec 15.54.06 # JdGordon: Nope 15.54.10 Join BobShield [0] (i=rshield@c-24-15-123-57.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 15.54.24 # pastebin it is then 15.54.51 # http://www.pastebin.ca/639281 15.55.15 # Hah, it's a one-liner! 15.55.28 # * pondlife likes those 15.55.30 # amiconn: an e200 battery would work but it's a bit smaller mAh. 15.55.36 # jhMikeS: Looks like a 3rd gen battery might fit: http://store.l-f-l.com/media/downloads/ipod_instruction_sheets/gen3.pdf 15.55.44 # pondlife: actually, it might not fix the codec bug :( 15.57.31 # one wire left ! 15.57.35 Quit Soul-Slayer (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.57.52 # What's all the dircache-dependent stuff in there with PLAYLIST_LOAD_POINTERS / dirty_pointers ?? 15.58.03 # Smells wrong to me. 15.58.18 Quit RaRe (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 15.58.18 # dunno 15.58.25 # ha I watched that code one 15.58.34 # Iirc this was added to circumvent a latency problem with playlist handling, dircache, and swcodec 15.58.42 # I thought the guy who did it was not really himself ... 15.58.43 # It's meant to speed-up loading? 15.58.59 # Playlist handling uses a thread on swcodec, unlike on hwcodec 15.59.26 # Playlist handling uses a thread only if HAVE_DIRCACHE 15.59.27 Join RaRe [0] (n=Laffin_B@202-89-187-101.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) 15.59.50 # * amiconn thinks that only the dircache expert or the playlist expert could answer more specific questions regarding this 15.59.58 # Slasheri? 16.00.06 # Yes, or hardeep 16.00.09 # The code isn't over-clear... 16.00.22 # it stands out from the rest that way :p 16.00.31 # Sadly, it doesn't...:p 16.01.09 # everything soldered \o/ 16.01.26 # Anyway, I'd suspect the "codec failure" problem is in there somewhere! 16.01.52 # amiconn: well, if the params are good that looks like it might work nicely 16.02.55 # pondlife: aren't you supposed to be re-writing playback.c ? 16.03.16 # Nah, that's Nico_P's job 16.03.25 # * amiconn wonders what codec failure pondlife is talking about 16.03.26 # But I did modify mine today 16.03.33 # I could have swotn linuxstb and I told you to do it ;) 16.03.36 # *sworn 16.03.38 # hehe 16.03.50 # amiconn: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5797 16.04.23 # GodEater_: I'd do it, if I had time to both complete the job and fix it up afterwards... 16.04.36 # amiconn: how thick is the 1G/2G battery? it looks like just a few mm at least in one pic. 16.04.36 # hahaha 16.04.59 # jhMikeS: I used one to replace the battery in my H140, it's about 3mm 16.05.03 # pondlife: howd that patch go? 16.05.06 # My worry is that other bits of Rockbox (for SWCODEC) include workarounds for playback bugs. 16.05.20 # JdGordon: Just building now. 16.05.26 # jhMikeS: About 4mm 16.05.27 # pondlife: are you implying there are dirty hacks in the codebase ?!?! 16.05.34 # Never! 16.05.41 # pondlife: Obscure bug... 16.05.49 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A97ADC.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.05.52 # Reproducible bug 16.05.56 # * amiconn never used automatic directory change 16.05.57 # amiconn: very resproducible though 16.06.23 # Also in the sim? 16.06.29 # If only! 16.06.31 # No. 16.06.50 # Another threading dependent issue. 16.07.06 # rrr...a little too tight to put between the cover and hd 16.07.12 # oh bugger... didnt work 16.09.20 # It's worth attacking any reproducible bugs, in the hope that it'll fix up other problems. 16.09.37 # jhMikeS: I'm pretty sure that even a 2mm battery won't fit in a normal X5 16.09.47 # * JdGordon suspects playback and not playlist.c is the culprit here 16.10.15 # JdGordon: But why only when dircache is enabled? 16.10.17 # The X5L has a secondary battery in that space, and it's thicker - it uses the extra space for that secondary battery instead of a second platter 16.10.27 # Timing I suppose. 16.10.32 # cooperative multitasking gives few conveniences in a complex system 16.10.43 # pondlife: oh, i was talking about the other bug, the codec one i have no idea about 16.11.09 # It would work if you can get hold of an X5L (or X5 60GB) back cover 16.11.10 # amiconn: one thing I wanted to ask about X5L is does it use the backup batt feature of the pcf50606 and can a battery there be detected? 16.11.23 # amiconn: mine's a 60GB x5 16.11.39 Quit SliMM (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.11.40 # Ah, then no chance unless you swap the hdd for a single platter model 16.11.46 # The batteries are just connected in parallel afaik 16.12.10 # (in fact the secondary battery also consists of 2 cells, so that there are 3 in total 16.12.15 Quit BobShield (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.12.21 # blah, I got it specifically for the larger capacity 16.15.00 # GodEater_: just being annoying, but wouldnt it usually be slower to find the favorites plugin, then choose the directory instead of just navigating to the dir? 16.15.57 # * JdGordon goes to bed 16.16.01 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 16.16.26 # grrtoo bad I cannot replug the battery :( 16.16.34 # Depends how deep your directory tree is I guess. It wasn't a feature I was going to use, it's just something I thought I could implement for someone that wanted it. 16.16.48 # * GodEater_ wonders if JdGordon will notice that in the logs 16.17.21 # * pondlife thinks it should be called something other than "Favourites"... we already discontinued one of that name. 16.17.28 # * jhMikeS wonders if a drive swap with the gigabeat is possible 16.17.35 # pondlife: shortcuts ? 16.18.18 # Maybe, although that implies a .lnk file to Windows users like me. 16.18.23 # Or maybe just to me. 16.18.31 # well that's where the thought came from 16.18.43 # but we decided to not re-implement microsoft's method 16.18.54 # and just have one file with multiple "links" in it 16.19.05 # So it's a viewer, right? 16.19.17 # it's both a viewer and a plugin ;) 16.21.52 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 16.22.35 Quit webguest05 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 16.25.06 # * GodEater_ remembers he only wanted the context menu item for it to appear on directories and goes to change his patch 16.26.36 Join webguest05 [0] (i=c023110a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7ecffe39c3052697) 16.27.10 Quit RaRe ("Quit msgs should be longer.") 16.27.55 Join RaRe [0] (n=Laffin_B@202-89-187-101.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) 16.27.57 # ... and we have 61 builds 16.28.03 # hurray 16.30.55 # are the 1G/2G and 3G ports still considered buggy/unstable? 16.31.00 # i can't remember if those issues were fixed. 16.31.42 Quit webguest05 ("CGI:IRC") 16.31.49 # still ? The 1G/2G only just went on there! 16.31.56 # midkay: amiconn fixed the instability, probably a bit buggy though 16.32.09 # and amiconn thinks the work he's done with the 1G/2G should sort out the 3G issues 16.32.27 # GodEater: good point, i'm mainly considering the 3G, but it seems a lot of the 3G work affects the 1/2G as well. 16.32.33 # or vice-versa. :) 16.32.42 # so the best way to tell is to try it out ? 16.32.45 # so they should be at similar stages of stability, i'd think. 16.32.51 # of course, but i haven't got a 1G or 2G or 3G. 16.32.52 # amiconn doesn't have a 3G to test with 16.32.59 # so i'm just curious. 16.34.02 # my iriver has no battery :(:(:( 16.37.27 # is short circuit deadly for lithium batteries ? 16.37.59 # did any magic smoke come out ? 16.38.08 # not yet 16.38.13 Join spiorf_ [0] (n=spiorf@host150-228-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 16.38.14 # :p 16.38.23 Quit boxrock (Connection timed out) 16.38.24 # TiMiD[FD]: did the battery swell up? 16.38.28 # how did you manage to short circuit it ? 16.38.41 # midkay: Playback is 100% stable now on G1. DerPapst has a G3, perhaps he could run a longer test in order to test stability 16.38.47 # dan_a also has a G3 iirc 16.39.27 # * GodEater_ notes neither are here right now 16.39.31 # Meh, I mean G2. Couldn't test on G1 yet 16.40.00 # amiconn: cool. and rockbox itself is very stable as well? navigation, etc? 16.40.45 # Yes, but handling rockbox on all of these is a bit cumbersome, as they all don't detect usb/firewire connection yet, so that you have to reboot manually into the OF for file transfer, then reset and boot back into rockbox 16.41.12 # cool, well, you're close. :) 16.41.14 # And the G1/G2 can't be shut down. Currently I am also rebooting into OF and let it go to sleep there 16.41.28 # ah. 16.41.44 # This is a hardware limitation, so we _have_ to figure out how to put it to sleep in rockbox 16.42.17 # not being able to actually shut down? we'll have to 'fake' it with a sleep mode? 16.42.32 # Detecting firewire is simple, so I'll add that as soon as I fixed the more improtant issues 16.42.36 # yes 16.42.49 Join BobShield [0] (i=rshield@c-24-15-123-57.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 16.43.08 # The PP5002 is directly commected to power. The only way to power it down is to disconnect the battery 16.43.12 # hm.. interesting. 16.43.15 # *connected 16.43.33 # if it starts again, it would be a miracle 16.44.30 # Well, the pro is that we can 'boot' in a fraction of a second from sleep mode 16.44.43 # all taht because a silly battery coinnector that broke and made wires goes everywhere on the board :( 16.44.51 # And implementing a pseudo-rtc would also be possible 16.44.58 Quit spiorf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.45.35 # amiconn: yeah, well, that's a given, the quick wakeup. :) i suppose it could be easily extended to other targets as well? people have been asking for it forever, after all.. 16.46.47 # Not easily. It could be extended to other PP targets, but that's it 16.47.37 # ah, right, i suppose it'd have to be tailored to each device in order to work with them. 16.48.02 # And extending it to PP502x targets will probably require a lot more RE than I already did 16.48.08 # TiMiD[FD]: is the battery still alive? 16.48.17 # try to measure voltage on it 16.48.36 Quit HellDragon (Connection timed out) 16.48.38 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@24.162.254.70) 16.48.44 # if it is dead then try to apply 4volts to the battery connector on the mobo to see if the H100 turns on 16.48.54 # better a killed battery than player... 16.49.10 # what about your old battery? 16.49.46 # hmwait 16.49.51 # I'm not yet done 16.50.00 # the problem is that since I broke the connecttor 16.50.10 # I had to resolder the battery to the board directly 16.50.19 # I have no new battery 16.50.21 # you broke the connector of the battery or the mobo? 16.50.30 # I unplegged it to avoid short circuits and stuff ... 16.50.35 # yup 16.50.37 # ehm why did you remove the battery in the first place? 16.50.37 # ah 16.50.40 # well I didn't lol 16.51.36 # well make sure with a multimeter that you haven't shortcircuited the battery jack contacts on the mobo 16.51.59 # toolate Isuppose 16.52.23 # you didn't try to see if it was shortcircuited? 16.52.32 # gah you should always try with a multimeter first 16.52.38 # wait :) 16.52.48 # we 'll know in 2min :p 16.53.02 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.54.24 # battery soldered 16.54.27 # I press on :) 16.54.34 # yaaaa ! 16.54.37 # power on :) 16.54.45 # *happy* 16.54.47 # congrats! 16.54.48 Join dandin1 [0] (n=dandin1@bas7-ottawa23-1088824222.dsl.bell.ca) 16.54.56 # now see if the rtc mod works 16.55.12 # now I'm gonna secure my solders ... 16.56.08 # secure as in putting electrical tape? 16.56.55 # for example ... 16.57.03 # it's not very clean ... 16.58.28 # I put it back in its box 16.58.49 Quit B4gder ("It is time to say MOOO") 16.59.58 # have you put an rtc enabled build on it, or are you going to do that after you screw it up? 17.00.21 # because it will be a good idea to test the rtc mod before closing the case 17.01.29 # screw 17.01.38 # hide that fear as much as I can ^^ 17.03.18 Quit Entasis (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.03.31 # ah too bad I fogot the led covers ... 17.03.36 # bah I'll compile firs 17.04.22 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c58-109-97-210.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au) 17.04.41 Quit atsea- (Remote closed the connection) 17.06.03 # but I have to say that adding peripheral on my pc is a little more user friendly :) 17.06.50 # hehe indeed 17.07.02 # though I must say that I enjoy the process more on my H100 :P 17.08.14 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 17.08.45 # in a japanese room with out tools at 0am I don't find it funny at all :p 17.09.19 # if only I had my tools 17.09.37 # but my flight was limited to 20kg so ... 17.10.12 # yes without proper tools it sucks to do that kind of job 17.10.24 # yes ... 17.10.44 # I had a solder Iron, a cisor, some stin and wires and some crappy screwdrivers ... 17.11.05 # never attempt soldering operations without a multimeter 17.11.14 # very risky 17.11.33 # ah I have one 17.11.38 # ah okay then 17.11.45 # from france 17.11.49 # but next time use it :P 17.11.50 # but I didn't used it 17.12.22 Quit ender` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.12.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.12.33 Join Soul-Slaye1 [0] (n=Administ@89.241.230.203) 17.13.08 Join atsea- [0] (i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-d652b0b9ab460356) 17.15.05 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@38.98.196.75) 17.15.15 # 1~waaa it's playing music 17.15.24 # ok I upload the rtc build 17.16.40 # imagine my dissapointment the first time I installed the chip the opposite way and discovered that the player didn't boot 17.17.26 # AH ? 17.17.34 # yes taht seems dangerous ... 17.18.02 # what scares me is that the small solders doesn't resist some hit and the cables becomes free 17.18.12 # propagating electricity everywhere ... 17.18.17 # ok 17.18.20 # it works :p 17.18.24 # I have the clock 17.18.38 # when you close the case things are so tight that soldering pads can't wear off easily (or moving wires) 17.18.40 # great! 17.18.44 # now test the alarm mod 17.19.04 # set the alarm clock 5 minutes ahead turn off the player and wait for it to magically boot up 17.19.06 # waa the clock plugin is nice :) 17.19.27 # ok I searche the menu 17.19.33 Join christian_ [0] (n=christia@p5498A66E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.19.39 # the alarm cable was one of the easiest to solder :) 17.19.48 # yes 17.19.58 # and the Vbat 17.20.24 # yeah 17.20.34 # but I was a little afraid of overheating the component 17.20.42 # the ground was easy too 17.20.55 # just put the wire into the hole and solder 17.21.08 # set it to awake in 2 minutes 17.21.08 # hello, I need some help! I just installed rockbox on my nano (1. Gen) and was browsing through the plug ins when it suddenly froze completly within the "Star menu"... 17.21.28 # menu+center button for 3 seconds 17.21.32 # reboot the Ipod by holding Menu + Select for a couple of seconds 17.21.44 # it can be more than 3 seconds ... 17.21.54 # XavierGr: tada !!! 17.21.57 # awoke :) 17.21.58 # :D 17.22.15 # althought I wouldn't trust it to awake me every morning 17.22.24 # with all the bugs it may crash 17.22.44 # hehe then stay with an old trusty build 17.22.55 # well in normal operation H100 behaves quite good 17.22.58 # ah thanks a lot! I was not pacient enough ;-) 17.23.03 # have you flashed it yet? 17.23.09 # that doesn't exist :) 17.23.25 # I've got a problem with the remote for maybe 4 month 17.23.31 # when I press the vol up 17.23.41 # it makes a directory skip in wps ... 17.23.47 # that's a very annoying bug 17.23.48 # yeah I got that one too 17.23.52 # but it is not a bug 17.23.52 # ah :) 17.23.56 # I'm not alone !!!! 17.23.57 # it is a faulty remote 17.24.07 # I have a replacement which doesn't do this 17.24.11 # I don't think so 17.24.19 # in the OF I don't get the bug 17.24.36 # well I am not quite sure but I think that when I changed the remote I couldn't reproduce it any more 17.25.07 # for me it started occasionnaly 17.25.11 # like oce in a day 17.25.19 # an d now it's almost every times 17.25.26 # hmm let me test then 17.26.09 # I was getting that behaviour when I was tapping the volume button on the remote 17.26.19 # if I was holding it it wouldnt change directory 17.26.46 # I get it in both cases 17.26.55 # so my remote is probably more broken than yours 17.28.00 # I can't reproduce it with the new remote 17.28.05 # let me try with the old one 17.28.31 # bingo 17.28.37 # it is remote related 17.28.40 # donate your faulty remote to amiconn or some hardware guru ^^ 17.28.45 # hehe 17.28.58 # well it might just be faulty 17.29.02 Quit Siltaar (Remote closed the connection) 17.29.07 # good to know though 17.29.09 # you could open yours and resolder the pads 17.29.13 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.5/2007071812]") 17.29.14 # that it's not only rb related 17.29.24 # I never succeeded in opening mine 17.29.39 # it seems that there is some glue ... 17.29.48 Join Siltaar [0] (n=Siltaar@reverse-52.fdn.fr) 17.30.06 # if you tell me how to do that I can do it right now 17.30.30 # wow! my old remote screen just went blank!! 17.30.34 # I remove the screw 17.30.43 # repluging it did the trick 17.30.51 # no silly battery connector in the remote I hope ... 17.31.03 # sometimes I get corrupted display on the remote 17.31.07 # TiMiD[FD]: yeah I had the same problem once too 17.31.12 # I couldn't get the remote open 17.31.19 # maybe it needs more force 17.31.46 # like screen half shifted on the top 17.31.55 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 17.32.06 # the top half on the bottom and the bottom on the top 17.32.21 Quit BigMac (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.33.50 # yes a nice expensive clock :p 17.33.59 # ok it is definitely that the remote is to blame 17.34.07 # and I found a way to reproduce it all the time 17.34.14 # though I really wonder if my battery will be ok ... 17.34.16 # ah ? 17.34.22 # go ahead :) 17.34.36 # for the faulty remote whenever I push vol up I have to push it a little inside to get it to skip the folder 17.34.44 # * jhMikeS just made scheduler change that cuts boost ratio on e200 13% :\ 17.35.03 # (inside while you turned in) 17.35.13 Quit christian_ ("Leaving") 17.35.22 # inside ? 17.35.31 # I mean push it while you have turned it 17.35.32 # directed towards the clipper ? 17.35.41 # ah inside 17.35.46 # like inside the box 17.35.47 # I try 17.36.43 # * jhMikeS verifies he's not being fooled somehow 17.37.50 # cannot reproduce it like that 17.38.04 # it just seems to randomly happen 17.38.22 # well it must be remote related because the other one can't reproduce it 17.38.33 # yeah sure 17.38.36 # and I always get that behaviour when I do it on my old 17.38.42 # too bad for your remote though 17.38.42 # I'm stil glad not to be the only one :) 17.38.59 # you could disable dir skip if you don't use it 17.40.15 # I use it :) 17.40.21 # I will just invert the keymap 17.40.54 # jhMikeS: What did you do? 17.40.58 # that's what I love with open source, as long as you know a little bit of programing you can customize 17.42.29 # amiconn: not as much as I thought...13% seemed excessive. caching CURRENT_CORE does help a bit though. 17.43.03 # Ah, so it's dual core related 17.43.10 # yes 17.43.25 # * amiconn wonders how dualcore support can be tested 17.43.44 # I mean how can I find out whether I am actually running dual core? 17.44.03 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.dsl.t-2.net) 17.44.04 # do something in cop_main I guess 17.44.05 # (thinking about my next steps on PP5002) 17.45.07 # I will have to figure out how to control the cache in order to enable dual core, but that should be possible to figure out 17.45.08 # something changed with mp3 on ARM? I think I missed out. 17.45.09 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 17.45.30 # Sure. linuxstb committed tomal's libmad patch 17.45.53 # yeah, I think that's making the most difference :D 17.46.11 # It makes a big difference on PP5002.... 17.46.16 # hmm 17.46.34 # when you first install a bootloader change to the gigabeat - don't you have to turn off the battery before it'll work ? 17.46.41 # Yes 17.46.43 # 129%->165% realtime with my test file 17.46.49 # XavierGr: the making of http://nekowanyanyanya.free.fr/blog/index.php?gallery/sorties/ninniku-avec-jean-mathieu-et-an 17.46.57 # erm 17.47.00 # Soul-Slaye1: was that at me ? 17.47.01 # wrong url 17.47.04 # http://nekowanyanyanya.free.fr/blog/index.php?gallery/General/rtc-sur-le-iriver 17.47.05 # Sorry, yes it was. 17.47.18 # we need to make that explicit in the manual then - it doesn't say to do it 17.47.21 # and I thought it did 17.47.28 # Does it not? 17.47.36 # I followed the wiki, it said it there 17.48.05 # TiMiD[FD]: nice pics 17.48.08 # it just says "turn it off" in the manual 17.48.36 # So it does... That is unclear, yes 17.48.44 # TiMiD[FD]: I like the banner too, is that your site? 17.48.50 # not just unclear - but actually wrong! 17.48.55 # anyway - I gotta run 17.49.20 # ah yes 17.49.23 # Have fun ^^ 17.49.25 # my site 17.49.46 # with some pictures of my jp life when I take my camera 17.50.10 # * Soul-Slaye1 wants to contribute more to Rockbox and is attempting to learn C ~again~ :P 17.54.27 # TiMiD[FD]: ah the ramen you were saying :D 17.55.01 # * Soul-Slaye1 has a horrible habit of leaving out semi colons 17.55.08 # I have exactly the same screw driver set... 17.55.54 # XavierGr: As do I :P 17.57.01 # it was spaghettis actually but I forgot the name 17.57.30 # wow a soldering gun! 17.57.41 # haven't seen those around for some time 17.58.17 # that was the smallest I could find at the company 17.58.24 # they have rather big soldering irons 17.58.54 # 'huge' would be the correct term 17.59.06 # indeed 17.59.10 # same goes for the wires you used ;) 17.59.11 # this one is small ! 17.59.17 # the wires were small !!! 17.59.18 # yeah I was about to say that 17.59.31 # no I think they are quite big for this purpose 17.59.50 # well ... when I choosed them I thought they were rather small 18.00.32 # I still can't believe that my iriver is alived after that ... 18.00.55 # yeah I told you these things can get quite a hit and still operate 18.01.12 # I remember my H300 and the USB OTG problem I had (and still have :() 18.01.45 # yeah 18.02.14 # but having a battery wire suddently getting everywhere on the board touching random components is not very reassuring 18.02.54 # the first time I opened my H100 (just to take a peek inside) I thought that it is so fragile 18.03.11 # didn't have any experience with electronics before 18.03.35 # Well sometimes it's just a matter of luck 18.03.53 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 18.04.04 # yeah if you are unlucky.... 18.04.18 # I wonder what the tomato scrubber has to do with all these :P 18.04.19 # this time I was licky 18.04.22 # lucky 18.04.28 # maybe sauce for the spaggheti? 18.04.35 # if I was to do it again I would not touch the battery 18.04.39 Quit desowin ("use linux") 18.04.46 # or cut the wires instead of trying to use the connector ... 18.04.49 # lol 18.05.28 # well I did the mod with the battery on, sometimes I even soldered with the player turned on! 18.05.33 Join Jens [0] (i=Jens@pdpc/supporter/active/Jens) 18.05.35 # though I don't know if that's wise :\ 18.05.37 # gusty 18.06.09 # I'll wait before flashing rockbox into rom 18.06.32 # because on my player normal bootloader builds give me an error -42 18.06.57 # andf I don't know what will happen in a build loaded from flash 18.07.22 # eh? 18.07.29 # don't compile the bootloader 18.07.50 # ah you mean the official bootloaders give the errors? 18.08.03 # I'm obliged to compile it and change the ata driver else I get the error 18.08.10 # I must make it skip a test 18.08.18 Quit thomasg_ (Remote closed the connection) 18.08.24 # well right now the compiler doens't build for H100 18.08.30 # bah 18.08.32 # I mean... 18.08.42 # the bootloader doensn't compile without errors 18.09.24 # amiconn: did you even find evidence of a core-local memory area? 18.09.57 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@e179201169.adsl.alicedsl.de) 18.11.50 # bouh 18.12.02 # I don't wanna try to compile it 18.12.14 # anyway it's too buggy to be worth flashed 18.12.41 # I have to disagree 18.12.52 # ah ? 18.12.58 # you don't have bugs ? 18.13.02 # it is quite stable for me, and the boot process is very quick being flashed 18.13.17 # it's acceptable from disk too 18.13.34 # the playback engine really drives me nuts 18.13.39 Quit petur ("work->home") 18.13.39 # well it doesn't crash anymore unless I start skipping songs too fast 18.14.01 # the code is too huge and unstructured, and it's full of bugs 18.14.19 # sometimes Iwant to go back to the previous song and I just cannot 18.14.42 # I'm obliged to go to the next songs to provoke a buffer flush and the to go back 18.15.57 # with some coding directives like "please try to avoid excess use of global vars and make explicit functions names, don't duplicate code" the code would be so much easier to read 18.16.21 # but right now it looks like tomato spaghettis :) 18.16.52 Join HellDragon [0] (n=Nocebo@unaffiliated/helldragon) 18.17.01 # playback.c is a race condition nightmare that won't be fixed without proper mutexes and a slight reversal of some workings 18.17.33 # would be nice to rewrite it from scratch 18.17.36 # ? 18.17.42 # with a well efined api 18.17.57 # lol at using screw drivers to fit a european outlet on a japanese :) 18.17.59 # I'd love the buffering abstracted away so I could just go do that. 18.17.59 # jhMikeS: ? 18.19.04 # amiconn: there's registers that are core local like the cache. I'm just curious if any small memory areas might be core-local so that the same address is data available to the respective core...like TLS. 18.19.10 # XavierGr: what ? 18.19.41 # jhMikeS: The memory system is documented in the product brief. There is no local memory 18.20.24 # I see. I never read any of those. 18.20.47 # TiMiD[FD]: on your site it has a picure that shows 2 screw drivers inside a japanese outlet attached with duct tape on a european plug 18.21.02 # erm 18.21.17 # I don't wanna remember :) 18.21.23 # I was drunk ... 18.21.35 # very safe indeed :D 18.21.39 # and I couldn't find my plug 18.21.42 # my converter 18.21.57 # jhMikeS: Have you looked at Nico_P's buffering abstraction at all? 18.22.08 # and I had to check my mails because I'm a geek after all :) 18.22.11 # pondlife: yes, and made some suggestions 18.22.15 # Great 18.24.12 # I think I'm going to require codecs to have message queues and continually be making a simple check for messages...I tested that stuff in mpegplayer (in svn) and it works nicely. 18.24.30 # The 2nd gen battery adc is a good example of how to not implement it :\ 18.24.40 # Isn't all codec communication via queues anyway? 18.24.44 # jhMikeS: any drawbacks? 18.24.56 # markun: to? 18.25.06 # having a message queue 18.25.11 # It's only an 8 bit adc, and they're wasting further precision by not using an offset 18.25.14 # pondlife: yes, but it's backwards and prone to deadlocking 18.26.04 # markun: none at all. codecs won't send messages back to audio and many variables can be dumped 18.27.04 # So playback will just be sat there sending out messages (to buffering and codecs) and not waiting on them too much. 18.27.06 # ? 18.28.27 # if audio wants the codec to stop, it send the message to stop. the codec will stop what it's doing at any point and carry that out 18.28.46 # (01:23:19) Kévin: http://nekowanyanyanya.free.fr/blog/index.php?gallery/sorties/soireee-sympa 18.28.49 # (01:24:12) Dave: hmm, looks like maybe the other girls, not the korean girl.. 18.28.52 # shit 18.28.59 # I hate my touchpad 18.29.00 # lol 18.29.09 # it makes copy and paste grrrr 18.29.15 # of the selection 18.29.35 # I'll fix it with the remaining rtc chips grrrr 18.29.48 # jhMikeS: would it be useful to have a callback function (for each thread?) which will be called if a message is send instead of checking, or will this introduce problems, make it more comples? 18.29.53 # complex 18.29.54 # I think it was actually kind of wrong to remove codec_queue but with sync queues it should be race-free 18.30.05 # jhMikeS: I'm trying to think of situations where playback would need to wait for a response from a codec (before it can unload one, maybe)? 18.30.15 # how complex is queue_empty? 18.31.22 # pondlife: pretty much but without the looping stuff that's really a race 18.31.38 # Yes, my concern exactly. 18.32.43 # I think a simple semaphore can be used instead of using queue send however. I dunno I guess I'll get into those details when actually working on it. 18.32.52 # make that queue_empty 18.33.12 # not queue_send...erm whatever 18.34.56 # That change probably won't be too radical looking actually. 18.35.37 # ok time to go to bed 18.35.44 # XavierGr: thank for the cheering :) 18.38.00 Quit obo ("bye") 18.42.25 # TiMiD[FD]: you're welcome I had fun too :D 18.43.07 # glad to see you back and active 18.45.55 # is the MAINTAINERS only for developers or is it open for other persons too? e.g I've written the code for battery_bench plugin (along with help from Bger) and I could be the maintainer for it. And for the Greek translation 18.46.54 # there's lang maintainers 18.47.04 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 18.49.08 # well I saw the translations section along with the plugins section on the MAINTAINERS doc so that's why I am asking 18.49.29 # * bluebrother notices a new target in the build table 18.50.14 # I'm guessing commit access is required, that's it. 18.50.36 # yeah that's why I asked 18.52.44 # bluebrother: for rbutil support for the new target, you probably only have to fill in the details in the ini file.. :-) 18.52.55 Join Xerion [0] (i=xerion@cp198589-d.landg1.lb.home.nl) 18.52.56 # I already started doing so ;-) 18.53.14 # well, we also need to have a bootloader released for it 18.53.20 # yes.. 18.53.48 # btw, I looked into the manual for rbutil. Integrating a html view isn't trivial as QTextBrowser doesn't support http 18.54.17 # but I thought about removing the inline view (wasn't that planned anyway?) and provide links and a download button 18.56.19 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust132.brig.cable.ntl.com) 18.58.16 # yeah providing links and a download button is enough.. 18.58.57 # good. Then I'll try to implement this tonight so we have another item on the todo done 19.00.12 # :-) 19.00.55 # maybe I can dig into themes the other day. Would be at least an interesting thing 19.01.16 # yeah, themes are nice :-) 19.01.35 # more of a gui problem then much coding :-) 19.02.11 # working with designer is fun 19.02.51 Join obo [0] (n=obo@rockbox/developer/obo) 19.03.43 # What is the groups feelig about FS#7289 - Allow upto 512 images to be used in WPS patch? 19.12.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.18.51 # The 2nd gen battery adc bit banging needs quite some time as the adc is slow 19.19.03 Quit barrywardell (Remote closed the connection) 19.19.47 # I wonder which solution is better: just accept the delays and sacrifice some cpu time (~0.3% when reading the battery twice per second) in order to keep the driver simple, 19.20.04 # or implement the driver using GPIO interrupts 19.20.27 # On the iPod, does EQ affect the line out, or only the headphone out? My recollection is that it affects both but I don't have a dock connector with me to test the line out. 19.20.59 # The latter would cause 18 interrupts to be fired per adc read, and since the read has to be done in the background (it's asynchronous) via a tick task 19.21.17 # Reading every tick would amount to 1800 interrupts per second... 19.21.34 Quit robin0800 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.22.50 # Although, reading that often isn't really necessary... 19.23.31 Join _jz [0] (n=jz@m2.april.org) 19.23.34 # <_jz> Hello ! 19.23.55 # Febs: The eq affects both on all targets cause it's software 19.23.56 # <_jz> What do you do when your player hangs on rockbox ? how to reboot it ? I pressed "record" on my sensa and it's stuck :(( 19.24.50 # amiconn: thanks. 19.26.12 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust132.brig.cable.ntl.com) 19.27.41 # amiconn: trigger an interrupt when conversion is complete? sounds simple enough. 19.27.54 # jhMikeS: No, it's different 19.28.11 # It's bit-banged serial with ready signal 19.28.36 # where's a GPIO IRQ come in then? 19.28.51 # <_jz> anyone has an idea ? 19.28.59 # or that's the "ready signal"? 19.29.04 # <_jz> my player sits with unreactive controls 19.29.09 # Flip clock bit, wait until ready bit is flipped as well (can take >100us), then read data bit 19.29.22 # Flip clock bit back, wait again until ready bit is flipped 19.29.29 # Repeat 8 times 19.29.45 # Yes, the GPIO irq would be fired by the ready bit 19.29.49 # _jz: I believe on Sansa you have to hold "power" for about 15s 19.30.38 # <_jz> \o/ 19.30.42 # <_jz> thanx pixelma ;) 19.30.57 # And before all that, there's a single start clock cycle which is handled the same except that not just the clock bit is set active but also a start signal bit 19.31.09 # Hence it's 9 cycles in total->18 interrupts 19.32.01 # trigger it and let it work in the background I guess. things can yield in the meantime 19.32.23 Nick advcomp2019- is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@66.172.231.192) 19.32.36 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host28-213-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 19.32.48 # jhMikeS: That would be the interrupt based approach... 19.33.14 Part advcomp2019 ("Leaving") 19.33.37 # <_jz> did anyone ever talk about doing some DJing plugin for rockbox ? 19.33.40 # my preference over tick tasks. 19.33.42 # <_jz> it would kick ass :)) 19.34.16 # Calling the read function continuously allows ~670 reads/second, but the first call after a longer period seems to need far more time 19.34.20 # <_jz> you'd have two decks, one button to go from one to the other and on the crossfader, central button to switch from controls high/medium/bass/level/pitch/play-stop (wheel to act on the control), another button for going to find a track to open. 19.37.02 Quit robin0800 (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Wibbly Wobbly IRC") 19.37.06 # jhMikeS: So, how would this work without a tick task? 19.37.23 # as long as no adc_read from an IRQ is done, a simple mutex lock, set some done flag to false, start sequence, yield and check, set done flag, fetch result, unlock mutex would do it 19.39.27 # Hmm 19.39.41 # There's both adc_scan() and adc_read() 19.40.04 # adc_scan() always triggers a scan, adc_read() returns a cached value if it's not too old 19.40.18 # I think this is messy, maybe there's a better solution? 19.40.57 Quit spiorf_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.41.02 # On archos there is only adc_read() and the conversion is done in the background via a tick tack + adc interrupt 19.41.19 # s/tack/task/ 19.41.44 # But that's a bit different as the adc is also needed for buttons on archos 19.41.48 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@avc146.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 19.42.40 # x5 doesn't have adc_tick. I got rid of it. 19.43.58 # So everything uses adc_scan()? 19.44.13 # yes 19.44.52 # the button tick still calls that but only for the buttons 19.44.59 # I'm not sure about the consequences. 19.45.19 # On SH we need it because it's the only efficient way to convert all 8 channels 19.45.49 # Irivers and iaudios also use adc for buttons, but the button tick always calls adc_scan() 19.45.53 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 19.45.53 # x5 only converts the channels requested. 19.46.18 # but the tick always called adc scan but for battery too 19.46.29 # On the archos we need up to 4 channels every tick 19.46.36 # <_jz> am I the only one to think that having the ability to configure what would be the default entry of the menu when you enter it from the playing screen would be a big plus ? 19.46.45 # On iriver the tick calls adc_scan for battery and remote detection _only_ 19.46.55 # <_jz> actually personnaly, 9 out of 10 times i go to the "file" submenu, which is quite far away 19.46.58 # not much point readin the batt 100 times/sec if the battery thread only wants it occasionally 19.47.13 # No, the tick only calls it once per second 19.47.14 # <_jz> plus it's by default on "now playing" where you can go anyway pressing again the menu key... 19.48.36 # oh, right...it had a counter. it wasn't really needed...still no advantage. then you're still reading once per second either way but without the tick overhead. 19.49.04 # Yeah, true 19.49.34 # That's what I want to figure out - is it better to remove the tick? 19.49.42 # <_jz> hmmm ok nobody cares... :/ 19.49.46 # And would it be a problem for the caller if adc_scan() yields? 19.50.20 # no, not if you use a mutex which is basically no overhead. e200 does. 19.50.21 # (and takes several milliseconds worst-case)? 19.50.38 # It would only yield on the 2nd gen 19.50.38 # I never saw a read take over 1100 and change 19.50.46 # 1100 uS 19.51.05 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 19.51.30 # So powermgmt.c calls adc_scan() on iaudio (and sansa), but adc_read on the other targets? 19.52.35 # yes. on sansa adc_read is just directly implemented to call the i2c driver. 19.52.47 # I think if we finish this concept, we would only need adc_read() on SH and adc_scan() on the other targets 19.53.04 Join sarixe [0] (n=sarixe@ool-435403e9.dyn.optonline.net) 19.53.07 # -> we could then unify the name -> less confusion 19.53.21 # there's no tick on sansa. just a spinlock to serialize the requests. 19.53.49 # Yeah, iaudio also has no tick as I've seen now 19.54.18 # (and no adc_read() either - but powermgmt.c calls it (??) 19.54.41 # gigabeat is odd as the CPUs adc is fast (5us) and just works the channels in the background. there's no adc_scan on that. 19.54.49 # Ah, it's a static inline just calling adc_scan()... 19.55.05 # jhMikeS: The it's actually similar to SH 19.55.10 # just to remain compatibe 19.55.31 # On SH you start the conversion of 1..4 channels which then runs in the background 19.55.46 # When done, an interrupt is fired (ADITI) 19.55.59 # This starts the conversion of the second group (5..8) 19.56.12 # The next interrupt then finishes the process until the next tick 19.56.49 Join GodEater__ [0] (n=vircuser@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 19.56.49 Quit BobShield (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.56.50 # s2c2440 just round-robins the conversion since it can only do one at a time 19.57.16 # Yes, and SH also round-robins, but in groups of 4 19.57.29 # it places the previous result in the cache and starts the next 19.58.48 # Okay, so we have 2 concepts. Targets where it makes sense to let it run in the background, and targets where all conversion is foreground 20.00.03 # The newer ipods (with pcf50605) use a mixed concept 20.01.15 # I wonder why - they only use it for battery reading 20.02.35 # Where does the e200 adc driver yield, btw? 20.02.53 # in the i2c driver 20.03.00 # ah 20.03.51 # Did you check how often adc_scan() is called by the powermgmt thread? 20.04.36 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@rockbox/administrator/Llorean) 20.04.37 Quit sarixe (Client Quit) 20.04.48 # GodEater__: You here? 20.08.14 # Llorean: I am 20.08.18 # hmmm...guess it's 1/2 second 20.08.22 # sorry was just catching up in the logs 20.08.42 # GodEater__: That's what I'm doing. Just wanted to let you know, the Apple firmware version *does* matter under certain specific circumstances. 20.09.02 # Llorean: really ? Where's that written down then ? 20.09.05 # Their flash loader does some hardware init, which has caused a problem in the past, and *might* be the cause of the Nano and possibly 5.5G (and maybe 5G?) issues right now for some people 20.09.12 # jhMikeS: I wonder who added the delay for adc_read() in adc-ipod.c 20.09.25 # I don't know if it's written down, I just was around when a previous Apple firmware version caused a few problems. 20.09.25 # I guess this one could be changed to use the same concept as the iaudio 20.09.30 # And the irivers too... 20.09.46 Quit spiorf ("Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)") 20.09.59 Join kubiixaka [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 20.09.59 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host28-213-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 20.10.01 # Llorean: it's the sort of useful thing we should have documented somewhere 20.10.17 # although I'm dubious about it being the source of these 5.5G problems - since I'm not experiencing them at all 20.10.37 Join SliMM [0] (n=chatzill@89.137.226.12) 20.10.40 # which adc-ipod.c? 20.10.55 # Where's the delay 20.11.42 # Llorean: on another note - did anyone make a start at fixing the gigabeat manual ? 20.11.42 # oh, the skip if too soon thing, heh 20.11.45 # GodEater, Llorean: That:s quite likely as we still don't know enough about the PP chips. If such an issue is found, it would be useful to make a register dump directly after we're called by the flash loader 20.11.56 # GodEater__: what's wrong with that manual? 20.12.07 # jhMikeS: firmware/target/arm/ipod/adc-ipod.c 20.12.28 # it doesn't mention you need to switch off the battery after the bootloader install 20.12.34 # which *is* in the wiki install instructions 20.12.37 # and *is* required 20.12.41 # GodEater__: Are you running the most recent 5.5G Apple firmware? amiconn mentioned LinusN had a 5.5G showeing IDE timing issues 20.12.44 # does that use the pp i2c driver for pcf50605_read/write 20.12.45 # Check how _adc_read() is called by adc_read() / adc_scan(), and what the adc_timeout does... 20.13.04 # Llorean: let me go check 20.13.05 # GodEater__: Fixing the gigabeat manual? 20.13.08 Join linuxstb [0] (i=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 20.13.11 # jhMikeS: Yes it does 20.13.23 # Llorean: see above 20.13.26 # brb 20.13.36 # GodEater__: I'm fixing it. 20.13.46 # However, it delays actual adc reads to not happen more often than every 400ms when calling adc_read() 20.13.54 # Oh, nevermind 20.13.54 # I'm not fixing it at least, technically I'm on vacation this week 20.14.01 # bluebrother: thank you :) 20.14.06 # not thread safe and those do get called on multiple threads 20.14.13 # Llorean: hahaha - you're not doing a very good impression of that :) 20.14.14 # I think that's an unnecessary complication, as it's _only_ used for the battery... 20.14.29 # Battery is read from multiple threads? 20.14.35 # Llorean: my iPod claims version 1.2.1 20.14.51 # at times, yes 20.14.56 # Or do you mean the i2c functions themselves? 20.14.59 # * GodEater__ has no idea if that's up to date or not 20.15.06 # the power thread and the main 20.15.10 # those too 20.15.15 # oh, hmm 20.15.35 # That might be one cause for occasional hangs I presume? 20.15.43 # GodEater__: Installed using itunes, or possibly by way of an apple_os.bin file from somewhere? 20.15.47 Quit SliMM ("Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.12/2007050813]") 20.15.50 # GodEater__: so it's almost the complete "initial startup" section in the wiki that's missing? 20.15.54 # e200 locks it's own communication since you don't want another thread to start another conversion before the result is fetched 20.16.03 # bluebrother: yes 20.16.18 # Meh, too many loose ends :( 20.16.21 # the i2c driver is mutexed in itself 20.16.23 # Llorean: I *think* it was installed by itunes 20.16.27 # but I honestly can't remember 20.16.46 # I might have had to do an unzip of an ipsw file and write it directly to the 1st partition 20.16.58 # * GodEater__ has vague memories of doing this 20.17.22 # amiconn: somehow I feel that's how people were getting a glitch where it says like 300000 hours of runtime were left :) 20.17.38 # actually - those memories are getting stronger - I'm next to certain that's how it was done last time I touched the Apple OS 20.17.42 # eh? 20.18.26 # ok. Missing those steps will result in ...? The Gigabeat not using the RB bootloader? 20.18.30 # on e200 it was happening occasionally. I suppose a collision when reading the adc could do that. It wasn't safe so I put a lock in it. 20.18.32 # jhMikeS: Perhaps I should try to fix that after removing the temporary 1st/2nd gen hacks from it 20.18.46 # GodEater__: Well, an ipsw might've done the firmware update too. 20.18.53 # Ah well, dunno 20.19.11 # But it's currently the only known connecting factor of Nanos that fail 20.19.41 # Using a tick has the advantage that there is only ever one single process reading the adc.... 20.19.46 # Llorean: well after I did that it did a flash upgrade too 20.20.11 # (but i2c could still be a problem - hmm) 20.20.39 # which locks everything else from running till it's done 20.20.54 # Bah, proper thread safety handling makes my head hurt :| 20.21.01 # Llorean: is it worth locking the e200r thread now? I'm getting sick of shouting at zajcattack. 20.21.02 # it's not really a time-critical op here 20.21.35 # * jhMikeS just does the thread-zen and somehow manages to follow it all 20.21.58 # thread-zen. What a nice word 20.22.53 # become the threads...ommmm 20.23.02 # there is no spoon 20.23.31 # GodEater__: It's tempting to lock it, but I really don't want to prevent someone clueful from helping because they come along and think we've said "No, we no longer have any interest here." 20.23.38 # no gag either :P 20.23.59 # well the alternative would be to suspend the annoying fellow's posting privileges. He's been warned three times now. 20.24.12 # * amiconn will start writing adc-ipod-1g2g.c 20.24.23 # ...and rename adc-ipod.c to adc-ipod-pcf.c 20.24.52 # * jhMikeS is irked he can't do AS3514 IRQs with the current setup 20.25.05 # why is that? 20.25.46 # it calls mutex functions and yields...sure death when reading the interrupt source 20.26.08 # that's where the USB insert notification actually is 20.26.13 # Yeah, yielding in an isr is a guarantee for a crash... 20.26.22 Quit kubiix (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.27.25 # perhaps a modal driver enhancement that can read a context and skip those calls 20.27.51 # does "disassembling the i2c" even make any sense? It sounds like tech-speak from a film, i.e. complete rubbish. 20.28.07 # the zen of i2c maintenence? 20.28.11 # thought i2c was a hardware feature 20.28.20 # not a bit of software 20.28.35 # can be bit-banged by software 20.29.05 # right 20.29.23 # even CPUs with hardware interfaces need some software guidance 20.30.01 Join BobShield [0] (i=rshield@c-24-15-123-57.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 20.30.18 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 20.30.48 # jhMikeS: yes, but "disassembling the i2 in pre-bootloader mode" is rubbish speak 20.31.11 # this person lacks any sort of clue and is just grasping at technical terms in the hope that a miracle will occur 20.32.30 # ummm 20.33.00 # jhMikeS: Do you know whether the coldfire pcf access also yields? 20.33.34 # Nm, doesn't matter... 20.33.53 # The adc read disables interrupts on coldfire 20.34.09 # amiconn: no, it doesn't since it uses that bitbanged driver 20.34.42 # * amiconn just removed the ticks from the h1x0 and h300 driver 20.35.05 Join linuxstb [0] (i=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 20.35.20 # About to compile... 20.35.42 # * GodEater__ crosses fingers and toes 20.36.18 # GodEater__: Maybe means disassembling the boot ROM a re-ing the i2c access there? 20.36.37 # * jhMikeS can only guess 20.36.57 # jhMikeS: he wants to do this to find out the location of the boot room 20.37.03 # kind of a catch 22 is it not ? 20.37.16 # since you'd need to know one to disassemble it 20.37.20 # ummm...yeah 20.37.43 # if Bagder says he doesn't know how to find the info out, I believe him 20.37.52 # rather than technobabble kid 20.38.33 # I guess you need some wire-tapping if lines are exposed 20.41.34 # Well, I mean, in manufacturing mode we can make the device jump through any hoops we want if we come up with the right hoops, I believe. 20.42.43 # change the start vector and have it restart in your code? heck if I know. 20.43.25 # Hmm. On h1x0, removing the tick and calling adc_scan directly from a thread might cause problems 20.43.42 # Doing it in a tick task automatically ensures the accesses are serialized 20.44.07 # But reading the battery from the thread and the buttons from the button tick might cause problems 20.44.13 # H1x0 adc is bit banged 20.44.28 # yeah, you'll have to do set_irq_level from a thread 20.44.46 # Yes, or in adc_scan like H300 and iaudio do 20.45.47 # a few cycles spent. Can H100 use GPIO IRQ on the buttons to not read them if they're not pressed? 20.46.14 # The buttons are hooked to the adc, not gpio... 20.46.29 # (well, except Play and Stop) 20.46.29 # the ADC has no IRQ? 20.46.33 # nope 20.46.45 # It's a serial protocol similar to i2c but simpler 20.47.22 # The irq level setting and restoring should be just 3 instructions 20.47.23 Join Raineer [0] (i=kcmichae@nat/ibm/x-b68ab1e77f3692e2) 20.47.32 # yeah, H300 and x5 don't have that problem obviously with button reads being conditional 20.48.08 # No they don't, but their adc can fire interrupts if a threshold voltage is passed 20.48.35 Quit GodEater__ ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 20.48.43 # I recall authoring the accessory insert use :) 20.49.04 # Regarding the pcf interrupts on Sansa, couldn't you just send a message from the isr and leave the readout up to the thread you send the message to? 20.49.19 # jhMikeS: Yes, and I recall porting it to H300 :) 20.49.43 # Just a different GPIO pin, fortunately in the range of GPIO0..7 20.49.51 # Sansa uses the AS3514 for that 20.51.15 # amiconn: but that will only work on a thread that's also being responsive to messages so some worker will need to be employed. the other problem is the IRQ stays active until the pending register is read. 20.51.34 Quit ender` (" All power corrupts, but we need electricity.") 20.53.14 # basically it does work the same as the pcf 20.56.19 # On H1x0 it's working fine (with irqs disabled during adc_scan) 20.57.31 # it occurs to me that pp targets can never have a long rest in sleep_core because of all the fiq interrupts. 20.57.50 # Not very long, no 20.57.58 Quit Jens (Nick collision from services.) 20.58.21 Join Jens [0] (i=Jens@pdpc/supporter/active/Jens) 20.58.27 # But they should go to sleep again after the fiq was handled 20.59.07 # sleep core is going to run 3675 times/sec minimum on sansa and double that on other pp targets 20.59.34 Nick hannesd_ is now known as hannesd (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 20.59.45 # This is because of the sample format, correct? 20.59.52 # indeed 21.00.17 # The wm* codecs also support packed 16bit samples in a 32 bit word, same as the as3514 21.00.29 # It's called 'dsp mode' in the datasheets 21.00.47 # So all pp targets could be converted to use the sansa method 21.01.08 # I suppose it didn't work for playback because of the chip setup? 21.01.17 # on h10 21.01.24 # Yes, the chip needs to be set up for dsp mode 21.01.35 # Just a config bit 21.02.00 # recording doesn't need that I take it 21.02.19 # That's probably why it played twice as fast. And maybe sending packed samples when the dac expects standard i2s format makes them illegal and it mutes 21.02.34 # (iirc you said that playback went twice as fast with no sound) 21.03.18 # i2s should zero-fill if the LRCK changes if few bits are sent than the DAC can handle 21.03.27 # yes 21.03.49 # Iiuc i2s format is (msb-1)-justified 21.04.42 # and if more bits are sent during a LRCK cycle than can be handled, the extras should be ignored. 21.05.03 # Yeah, but the wolfson is i2s master... 21.05.53 # It's not _supposed_ to matter how many bits the transmitter and receiver can handle (as the standard is written). 21.06.11 # hence the msb justification 21.06.17 Join Stalwart [0] (n=stalwart@ip-10.154.Home-Lan.fastnet.lv) 21.06.30 # Somewhere I read that it's (msb-1) 21.06.43 # there's a dummy bit before the real data 21.06.48 # Maybe that matters, i.e. if msb != (msb-1) it's considered invalid? 21.07.15 # I think it's always a zero. 21.07.31 # Yeah, but not when sending packed 16 bit samples... 21.07.51 # the codec might just not adapt dynamically and it doesn't get the LRCK period it expect. another thing to check is the sample rate control registers. 21.08.55 # pack, unpacked, it switches channels when the LCRK changes level and that's how it's supposed to judge if the sample for the channel is finished. 21.09.40 # adc works fine on h300 as well with the tick removed 21.09.41 # the AS3514 can take 18-bits but doesn't complain about 16 21.09.52 # Should I commit? It's a fairly simple change... 21.10.19 # you can't test it? 21.10.32 # I did, but only briefly 21.11.04 # Those thing tell the story pretty fast :) 21.11.10 # ok 21.12.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.13.26 Quit pondlife ("disconnected has pondlife") 21.13.28 # if it doesn't I guess flyspray will tell or maybe petur 21.13.49 # if someone wants to try the current rbutilqt built statically on w32: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/rbutilqt-static.zip 21.14.05 # file size comes down to ~7MiB with a stripped down Qt 21.16.36 Quit spiorf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.17.01 Join Paprica [0] (n=Paprica@rockbox/developer/paprica) 21.20.16 Part Llorean 21.22.59 # * petur needs to test something? 21.23.22 # adc tick removal commit on H100/300 ? 21.23.48 # ok 21.23.55 # * jhMikeS 's checking h120 21.25.21 # * amiconn likes green deltas :) 21.25.37 # A rare site... 21.25.43 # I mean sight 21.25.47 # * linuxstb has forgotten how to spell 21.25.59 # * linuxstb should stop reading the forums 21.26.24 # what's in the forums anyway? 21.26.36 # does anyone else dev on OS X? 21.26.48 # I remember having issues with that dircache change last week - was that looked at or is it just a problem for me (will see if it still happens when I install this current build) 21.27.16 # * petur was afk and afi for a week 21.27.16 # petur: I think you might want to check the ROLO detection 21.27.24 # jhMikeS: Generally a lot of bad spelling, and Llorean/Febs/GodEater getting annoyed at people 21.27.57 # midgey: I occasionally use OS X for Rockbox. 21.27.59 # Occasionally we interrupt our annoyance to help people. 21.28.06 # * GodEater is reaching for the valium 21.28.10 # linuxstb: I love putting in long technical answer that try to explain a problem throroughly and get answered with "What does that mean?" :P 21.28.22 # linuxstb: do you have any issues with the sim failing to open files? 21.28.25 # * jhMikeS reaches for GodEater 21.28.50 # midgey: I don't often use the sim, and haven't tried it on OS X. I can test now if you want... 21.29.17 # linuxstb: that'd be great, linux is having no problems 21.29.35 # * GodEater makes a few more tweaks to the "favourites-plugin-that-should-be-renamed-shortcuts-plugin" so that the file it saves is in the root dir and therefore quicker to access 21.29.51 # i've reverted to really old versions (r12500) and the problem persists so im wondering if something is wrong with my setup 21.30.06 # * GodEater bets a dollar that it is 21.30.27 # amiconn: your changes affect buttons only or also battery? 21.30.46 # battery and remote detect, if at all 21.31.00 # Buttons always used to run in the button tick 21.31.01 # * petur fetches remote 21.31.27 # Everything should work as before, just with a tiny bit less overhead (the removed tick task) 21.31.42 # midgey: What exactly is the problem? (i.e. what should I test) ? 21.32.07 # "opening files" is all he said 21.32.16 # so any function that calls "open()" I guess 21.32.25 Quit obo ("bye") 21.32.27 # linuxstb: All bitmaps fail to load and .rockbox is not found 21.32.44 # midgey: you *did* remember to do "make install" right ? 21.32.53 # amiconn: everything appears to work fine 21.33.02 # GodEater: yes, but I'll rebuild to make sure 21.33.14 Quit BobShield (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.33.22 # midgey: so your archos dir contains a .rockbox dir ? 21.33.26 # it does 21.33.31 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.dsl.t-2.net) 21.34.16 Quit Stalwart (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.34.36 # amiconn: H120 working fine 21.35.08 # 12 o'clock and all is weeeellllll 21.35.28 # ? 21.35.38 # * petur has been reading too much discworld in his holiday 21.36.45 Quit petur ("switching...") 21.36.54 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 21.37.06 # Is this the correct place to mention a typo in recently committed code? Sorry new to the channel 21.37.20 # sure 21.37.38 # midgey: Do you get any warnings when compiling? I'm just trying now, and got loads of warnings when rockboxui was being linked - duplicate copies of lots of stdlib functions... 21.37.53 # linuxstb: those have existed for months 21.38.01 # Then they aren't good... 21.38.10 # In revision 14067 from yesterday, I think there is an error in line 373 of ipodpatcher.c Looks likt the fix was intended but applied to the wrong variable 21.38.26 # * linuxstb looks 21.39.33 # * GodEater gets all nostalgic. It used to be his job to find typos in linuxstb's code. 21.39.36 # ;) 21.39.43 # ;) 21.40.14 # well i'm pretty novice at C, I follow the SVN commits to try and stay aquainted :) 21.40.58 # 373 is an fprintf() call right ? 21.41.11 # yes 21.41.22 # giving a short write error 21.41.28 # Raineer: The fix is fine, I've just used n and res inconsistently... 21.41.38 # hehe 21.41.39 # ahh ok, sorry! 21.41.50 # inconsistency in rockbox code. Never. 21.41.59 # * GodEater refuses to believe it 21.42.30 # In one function n is int, and res is ssize_t, and in the other, n is ssize_t, and res is int... 21.42.31 # Raineer: don't be disheartened though. There's probably other typos in there you can find ;) 21.42.40 # * linuxstb doesn't doubt that 21.42.55 # * GodEater is still waiting for linuxstb to point out his own typoes 21.42.55 # haha 21.43.40 # Well regardless of inconsistencies, Rockbox is the best thing that's happened to my ipod...absolutely love everything it can do. 21.43.49 # well, with a make veryclean and a reconfigure, the opening problems still exist 21.44.03 # * midgey smacks his mac 21.44.53 # Raineer: going to contribute something then ? 21.45.03 # the odd line of c code never goes a miss 21.45.05 # * linuxstb is still waiting for his ibook to finish compiling 21.45.18 # * GodEater hands linuxstb a go faster stripe 21.45.29 # yes, I've been trying to find something constructive hehe 21.45.32 # * linuxstb sticks it on but doesn't notice anything 21.45.51 # I'd like to figure out how to enable TV-OUT on the 5g but can't seem to make a lot of progress, but it's my goal 21.46.04 # a worthy one that a lot of people would thank you for 21.46.20 # a somewhat high bar for a first effort though 21.46.32 # given the undocumented nature of the broadcom chip 21.46.46 # Yes, quite...lol 21.47.08 # Well everything I seem to think of gets put in regardless, but yeah I'll keep poking around and learning how everything works together 21.47.09 Quit Febs ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.5/2007071317]") 21.49.36 # Raineer: you could help test open bugs on the tracker 21.49.41 # it *is* tracker cleanup week 21.49.49 # I was reading through that earlier 21.50.07 # Raineer: you could always figure out how to access video playback on the broadcom, as well as tvout 21.50.10 # that'd be pretty sweet... ;) 21.50.28 # It is worth helping just to test the bugs others have reported, to gain more information about the failures? 21.53.03 # midgey: Seems to work fine for me. The sim runs without complaint and I can run plugins. 21.53.21 # hmm, guess im off to investigate 21.53.41 # If it matters, it was an ipod Color sim. 21.53.45 # Raineer: very much so. Some bugs we're not even sure should still be open 21.53.45 # (target 20) 21.56.36 Quit The-Compiler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.00.50 # * linuxstb wonders if we can take Bagder's approach to bug fixing - deleting the misbehaving feature... ;) 22.06.34 Join Robin0800 [0] (n=Robin080@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust132.brig.cable.ntl.com) 22.07.12 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.10.05 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 22.11.06 Join peppo [0] (n=slumpmas@c-9770e155.41-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 22.11.23 # hey. I'm having some issues with the database. it's started adding duplicate entries on some albums... 22.11.33 # is there a way to completely nullify the database and start over? 22.11.53 # regardless of my doing Initialize now or Update, some albums have duplicate entries 22.12.17 # Delete all the .TCD files in your .rockbox folder 22.12.49 # aight 22.14.17 # Currently trawling through the bug reports, can someone with the ability to close them close this please: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7088 22.14.30 # It's a feature of the OF, can't be fixed until RB is flashed to gigabeat 22.16.49 # Soul-Slaye1, great, now everything's fixed. 22.17.00 # :) 22.17.01 # I wonder if there are any bugs for similar issues with the database? 22.17.13 # I used to get it, hasn't hit me since 22.17.32 # Possibilities were it lay with either deleting files and they still remained in a 'trash' folder 22.17.37 # Or something to do with auto update 22.18.11 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7202 This is all incorrect, again, needs closing 22.20.12 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7184 I can't replicate this, imagine it was fixed as the bootloader mentioned is from April. I can use the bootloader USB function and still get into Rockbox without needing to reboot 22.20.20 # * petur hates it when bug posters don't come back to answer... 22.20.45 # Is there somewhere official I should be putting these rather than spamming chat ;$? 22.21.13 # yes, reply to the tracker item 22.22.00 # That notifies admins? That must get spammy :P 22.22.07 # you could create a wiki page 22.22.13 # we like mail 22.22.41 # no seriously, keep comments about a tracker item with that item 22.22.57 # * Bagder agrees 22.23.19 Quit Jens () 22.23.56 # GodEater: "zajacattack" went over to anythingbutipod to continue his "can't we disassemble i2c" crusade... 22.24.12 # Bagder: The 1st/2nd gen is missing in the delta list... 22.24.14 # Then I shall proceed to comment to my hearts content :o 22.24.22 # amiconn: oops, me fix 22.24.26 Part peppo ("part") 22.24.43 # I wonder whether it's too early to add a download link 22.24.56 # amiconn: would it benefit anyone? 22.25.34 # Not yet, unless (s)he is able to build the bootloader 22.25.56 # I didn't publish one yet 22.25.57 # Are you waiting for your 1G before releasing a bootloader? 22.26.22 # I probably should 22.27.03 # ah, I can only get delta sizes for zip files we provide for download 22.27.12 # so I'll add 1g2g 22.27.17 # ah 22.27.18 Join donutman25 [0] (n=chatzill@65.75.87.48) 22.27.23 # hmmmm would be nice to be able to filter tracker items on target too 22.27.34 # You could also make the graphics a bit nicer by putting a slash in 22.28.01 # how do i dump sansa firmware with the bootloader? 22.28.09 # amiconn: you mean 1g/2g ? 22.28.13 # yes 22.28.14 # Soul-Slaye1: FS #7088 and FS #7202 are now closed 22.28.20 # Do you have a suitable image for the 1G/2G ? 22.28.29 # (I mean for the download link) 22.28.32 # no, I use the 3g until I get one 22.28.49 # I'll try to scan this thing asap 22.29.20 # midgey: Okay thanks. 22.29.27 # Shall continue my hunt ^^ 22.29.48 # and I can't reproduce 7184 either 22.30.16 # ok, so 1g2g should be downloadable after next commit 22.30.23 # and get delta info 22.31.32 # should I add a 1g2g bootloader build? 22.32.49 # Might be a good idea 22.33.02 # We have bootloader builds for all other ipods so far 22.34.08 # is the output named bootloader-ipod1g2g.ipod ? 22.34.33 # yes 22.34.40 # ok, added now 22.34.57 # anyone with a pending commit? 22.35.21 Join Stalwart [0] (n=stalwart@ip-10.154.Home-Lan.fastnet.lv) 22.35.23 # isn't the patch in http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2793 terribly outdated (being from december 2005)? 22.35.56 # I bet dumb hasn't changed too much... 22.36.25 # * petur goes looking elsewhere 22.36.34 # It's really not easy to judge whether bug reports should be closed if only one person has reported it, and they haven't commented in the last 5 months =\ 22.37.18 # Soul-Slaye1: IMHO, it is fair to ask if the bug is still present first and allow the poster a week or two to respond, and then if no response is received close it 22.37.53 # Bagder: Well, if you look at 6130, it's hard to know if it was ever fixed 22.38.38 # it doesn't sound fix in those comments at least 22.38.41 # fixed 22.39.53 # It doesn't, but my H10 buttons are working fine, however I don't have a remote control on it. But I'm not sure if he's saying that he has a remote or not, it sounds like he's just saying it was the implementation of the remote that broke it 22.40.01 # But that's not so, because mine is working fine. 22.40.29 # right, but comments in that report seem to imply that this happens (only) on some players 22.40.43 # at least I read them that way 22.42.00 Join haemmy [0] (n=stefan@194.208.162.140) 22.42.46 # The H10 comes in a 5gb without Radio, 5/6gb with radio and 20gb with radio. People have mentioned a few times that the pure one (without radio) has been showing faults with Rockbox for a while, but this person just seems ot have a regular 5gb player, the same as I have... And this is the only report of it's kind. It's hard to know without him saying whether it's working now :( 22.43.29 # Anyway, I'll look for the next ^^ 22.43.40 # :-) 22.43.58 # * petur wonders if it's worth to update http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2838 or just close it as outdated... tracker-rot 22.44.25 Quit Raineer () 22.44.44 # I'd say the latter 22.45.10 # also given Brandon's color work, this should probably be remade to use that if anything 22.45.26 # oh, where is that? 22.46.07 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.46.21 # jhMikeS: I went for the trivial approach in the first step as you might have noticed :) 22.46.31 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 22.46.32 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.48.02 Quit Stalwart (Nick collision from services.) 22.48.08 # petur: I believe there was an added ability to show files using different colors based on extension or similar 22.48.14 Join stalwart1 [0] (n=stalwart@ip-10.154.Home-Lan.fastnet.lv) 22.48.35 # petur: the custom colours for different filetypes - when that got committed during DevConWest it's been said, that it could be used in the WPS somehow (all I know) 22.49.35 # I don't know exactly how, I just thought that since that's a color "system" added it would at least be worth checking out if it can be extended to other contexts 22.50.18 # ah, that I can remember... well I closed the above task, but I feel it should make it :/ 22.52.49 Join webguest57 [0] (i=50d81efc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4b1e12add92a41d3) 22.53.17 Join Stalwart [0] (n=stalwart@ip-10.154.Home-Lan.fastnet.lv) 22.53.54 Join Robin_0800 [0] (n=Robin080@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust132.brig.cable.ntl.com) 22.53.59 # petur: any idea what Austriancoder is up to? Did he give up with the TX problem? :) RX worked right? 22.55.18 Join salty-horse [0] (n=ori@pdpc/supporter/active/salty-horse) 22.55.32 # to be hones, I haven't heared anything from him :( 22.55.37 # *honest 22.55.39 # where can I find m68k-elf-gcc? 22.55.50 # salty-horse: for what environment? 22.56.00 # * petur gives up typing 22.56.13 # my machine is ubuntu amd64 - i want to build the sandisk sansa target 22.56.21 # petur: sorry to hear that.. hopefully he will come back 22.56.25 # petur: Aren't you the mentor/ 22.56.26 # ? 22.56.32 # yes 22.56.37 # salty-horse: then you want the arm-elf-gcc, and you build your set with tools/rockboxdev.sh 22.58.47 # the problem is that austriancoder pops in and leaves at very irregular interval. Last 'debugging session' he just left without telling. I mailed my findings but got no reply... That was a week ago 22.59.27 # * petur sends another mail 22.59.53 Quit Stalwart (Nick collision from services.) 23.00.00 # When's the official end date? 23.00.07 Join stalwart2 [0] (n=stalwart@ip-10.154.Home-Lan.fastnet.lv) 23.00.14 # end of august I think 23.00.41 Join juk [0] (n=Miranda@p5486C17A.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.00.48 # Whats the difference between 'Insert' and 'Queue' in the playlist? 23.01.25 # Insert inserts into the playlist while queue only enqueues a song for playing 23.01.31 # thanks Bagder. just noticed its in the README :/ 23.02.01 # bluebrother: So once the song has played (assuming you are on repeat mode) it won't play again unless requeued? 23.02.31 # like this. It won't end up in the playlist. 23.02.40 # Ah okay. 23.02.47 # so if you save the playlist later queued songs won't be contained. 23.03.03 # Gotcha, thanks. Was looking at them thinking 'Hang on... What o.0?' 23.05.13 Quit Domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.06.35 Quit HellDragon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.07.10 # oh right... I made a little gap in the table now... 23.07.20 # due to me renaming the full name 23.09.08 Quit desowin ("use linux") 23.09.11 Quit stalwart1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.10.00 # Well great 23.10.07 # To test this bug I need to get to level 20 on Star 23.10.13 Quit Robin0800 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.10.18 # Anyone make me a cup of coffee please? 23.10.29 # * Bagder puts the kettle on 23.10.47 # * linuxstb turns on the espresso machine 23.11.42 # we haven't had such a pattern in the build table yet ;) 23.12.05 # ... and now we have a downloadable 1g2g zip with a (3g) picture too 23.12.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.13.10 # Just to confuse the masses. 23.13.22 # 2g Nano? ;) 23.13.40 # yeah, I expect a roar when "the masses" find this ;-) 23.13.57 # both 2gen users will come here 23.13.58 # :p 23.15.11 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@216.177.197.177) 23.15.19 # Why couldn't someone have found a bug with a slightly easier, shorter plugin. 23.15.19 # Soul-Slaye1: i think you can choose the starting level in star 23.15.41 # beating level 20 is another issue entirely... 23.15.58 # Yeah, I'm stuck on level 4. 23.16.35 # Right well, now I've successfully made myself look stupid I'll skip to level 20. 23.16.55 # ;) 23.16.56 # Was all part of my plan. 23.17.50 Quit stalwart2 (Connection timed out) 23.17.58 # Well loading level 20 didn't lock up, like the bug states. 23.18.10 # And there is a way of exiting the game. 23.18.13 # works fine on my gigabeat 23.18.16 Join Stalwart [0] (n=stalwart@ip-10.154.Home-Lan.fastnet.lv) 23.18.20 # Same, just going to try on H10 23.18.26 # * midgey wanders off to go get a 5g 23.19.03 # Loads on my H10 23.19.16 # And there's a way out 23.19.33 # I think that report can be closed ^^ 23.19.35 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC") 23.19.59 # works fine on a 5g 23.20.09 # loading and quitting 23.20.25 Join jac0b [0] (n=jac0b@user-1120dgq.dsl.mindspring.com) 23.20.28 # I trust you'll close it without me leaving a comment then :P 23.20.47 Quit webguest57 ("CGI:IRC") 23.21.18 # do I have to rebuild the sim if I want to update it or can I update just like I would the player? 23.21.38 Quit Stalwart (Nick collision from services.) 23.21.50 Join stalwart1 [0] (n=stalwart@ip-10.154.Home-Lan.fastnet.lv) 23.22.26 # Anyone with an ipod nano able to test 6334? Seems thats what everyone experiencing the problem has. 23.24.42 # jac0b: Wouldn't you update the player by building and installing? The sim has to be rebuilt, yes, just like a normal build has to be rebuilt. 23.25.00 Join HellDragon [0] (n=Nocebo@unaffiliated/helldragon) 23.26.13 Quit ShadowXP (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.26.17 Join ShadowXP [0] (n=ShadowXP@pool-71-104-126-9.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 23.26.38 Join Stalwart [0] (n=stalwart@ip-10.154.Home-Lan.fastnet.lv) 23.27.43 # Bagder: the 2nd gen Ipod looks more like the 4th gen as it doesn't have the extra row of buttons. It has a "circle" of buttons that surronds the wheel (sorry for the bad description - will try to find a picture) 23.27.51 # I mean copy and paste the .rockbox folder 23.28.14 # not having to do the ../tools/configure blah blah blah make install 23.28.17 # pixelma: On Ubuntu the iPod is mounted to /media/IPOD by default, so unzip rockbox.zip -d /media/IPOD is the proper process. 23.28.20 # pixelma: amiconn said he'd do a scan soon so I don't worry too much 23.28.49 # Llorean: oh sorry.. I'll take it back 23.28.49 # jac0b: Where are you going to get an updated sim .rockbox folder without rebuilding the sim? 23.29.31 # jac0b: do "svn up && make && make install" in the build dir and you're updated 23.29.49 # okay so I have to build a sim and I can't just use the regular build 23.29.49 Join obo [0] (n=obo@rockbox/developer/obo) 23.30.05 # the sim is a simulator, it is not a "regular" build 23.30.07 # You can't use the regular build for the sim, no 23.30.34 # okay that is what I was asking if I could just use the regular build for the sim 23.31.39 Quit jac0b () 23.31.59 # Why didn't he ask that then. 23.32.24 # I'm assuming he thinks he did. 23.32.45 # why does rockbox implement its own bidi algorithm instead of linking against the 80k fribidi? (I'm missing support for unicode RTL/LTR directional marks) 23.32.54 Quit haemmy () 23.33.20 # Llorean: it read as if it was a subdirectory on the Ipod itself :/ 23.33.36 # pixelma: Yeah, it's definitely not clear for anyone who isn't already an ubuntu user. 23.33.54 # salty-horse: feel free to submit your patch 23.34.20 # Bagder, support for fribidi linking, or support for those chars? 23.34.35 # either one or both 23.34.42 # *I* miss neither 23.34.46 # i'll try fribidi, then.. see how it works :) 23.35.06 # Be aware if it adds significantly to binary size, it's likely that you'll be asked to simply fix the problems with our method instead. :-P 23.36.03 # Bagder, I admit few languages need it - if i get it to work, maybe it should be optional. i'll also ask the bidi file author 23.36.31 # Llorean: ah you deleted your post... so should I delete that part completely too 23.36.32 # ? 23.36.54 # Nah 23.36.58 # It's entirely up to you 23.37.04 # I just removed mine since I managed to tell you here. 23.37.36 # Is it possible for me to make a diff in Windows? I have a tiny patch to submit to get rid of a bug report and I don't think it's worth rebooting for :$ 23.38.05 # Soul-Slaye1: http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/diffutils.htm 23.38.13 # Thanks 23.38.29 # there are other win tools as well, such as winmerge etc 23.40.27 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 23.42.10 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust362.winn.cable.ntl.com) 23.42.27 Quit stalwart1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.46.42 # markun: Seeing the question asked about austriancoder earlier, have you heard from your student recently (TTSbox, right?)...? 23.48.10 # Shouldn't the 'percent_to_volt_charge' be the same as the discharge values? 23.48.24 # Surely it can't charge any higher than it started 23.49.45 # I mean, if it starts discharging at (for example) 420 centivolts, it can't charge higher than that can it? Assuming it was a full battery from the beginning 23.50.19 # Also, before I go to bed - last call for testers for http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6266... I'll commit it in the morning if nobody objects. 23.50.55 Quit Stalwart (Nick collision from services.) 23.51.08 Join stalwart1 [0] (n=stalwart@ip-10.154.Home-Lan.fastnet.lv) 23.51.31 # pondlife: Will test it in about an hour for you and leave a comment :) 23.51.34 # Bagder: on the danger of being wrong again: is it on purpose that there are now 2 columns that read "Ipod 1g/2g" on top? 23.51.47 # in the build table 23.51.51 # pixelma: Yes, he screwed up. 23.51.58 # that's a side-effect of me renaming the build 23.51.58 # ;) 23.52.10 # the full text version of the name 23.52.28 # which is used to make separate columns 23.53.05 # it'll stay there until it dies of age, in a couple of days 23.53.27 Part juk 23.55.24 # aha... was that mentioned before? 23.55.57 # not this clearly, no (unless you possibly mean years ago when I've done this in the past...) 23.56.20 # if so, I should just call it "having a bad day" and probably just up for today... 23.56.31 # +shut :/ 23.56.35 # haha 23.56.52 # lol 23.57.09 # qed 23.57.21 # JdGordon: Did you want to consider committing your patch on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7311 at some point? I don't have a 64-bit environment to test it... 23.57.51 # (or has that been committed already?) 23.57.56 Quit bdgraue (Remote closed the connection) 23.58.53 Join lazka [0] (n=lazka@85-125-223-149.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at)