--- Log for 15.08.107 Server: niven.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 12 days and 12 hours ago 00.00.42 # no but the background pic explains what buttons you can use 00.00.44 # it's just a background then? or is there a switch to make it so you can control using the mouse 00.00.47 # ah k, thanks 00.02.21 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UiSimulator 00.02.27 Join inversion [0] (n=none@89.100.103.62) 00.03.04 # oooh... thanks, i did a search, dunno why that didn't come up 00.04.23 Quit jgarvey_ ("Leaving") 00.05.59 # I wonder if I should add a wps-test (or whatever the flag is) .bat file to my simulators 00.08.46 Quit ompaul ("init 6 (we expect runlevel 2 some time about 8 hours from now )") 00.09.03 # * amiconn hopes for a green line.... 00.11.09 Quit Robin_0800 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.12.49 Quit DMJC ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12") 00.13.11 # almost 00.13.40 # you did get -2 points ;-) 00.13.41 # huh? 00.13.51 # Since when is target tree code compiled for sims? 00.14.28 Quit alexc ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.14.43 # Possibly since the recent attempt at getting sims closer to target builds 00.14.46 # I forget who did it 00.15.36 # wasn't that n1s? 00.16.02 # it was 00.16.12 # 12 Aug 19:49 00.16.28 Join leftright [0] (i=d9e1fc0a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-fb7ab73497891120) 00.16.51 # Yeah, but he didn't change the power stuff 00.16.54 Join datasleep [0] (n=datachil@217-208-144-87-no75.tbcn.telia.com) 00.16.54 # but its not obvious to me that it broke this 00.16.58 Quit datachild (Nick collision from services.) 00.17.12 # * amiconn tests whether that's necessary at all 00.17.28 # I'm merely commenting without knowing what n1s did, or even what's wrong 00.18.15 # Bagder: seems he bricked his player whilst flashing the modded bootloader, is there any chance that something has changed/corrupted the H140 bootloader process 00.18.50 # * bluebrother returns 00.18.52 # I guess anything is possible... 00.19.04 # given enough code? ;-) 00.19.14 # Flashing a modded bootloader on H1x0 and H300 is dangerous, hence not recommended without a bdm nearby 00.20.03 # bed time here 00.20.08 # yes, but so many of us have done it, and he's the first to my knowledge, perhaps something has been changed 00.21.33 Quit inversions (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.21.36 # I haven't heard of a user bricking his H140 due to flashing, besides Slaheri, but he was experimenting 00.22.14 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 00.22.14 # leftright: Are you talking about the current SVN bootloader? 00.22.51 # Linuxstb: H140 merged bootloader 00.22.57 # * amiconn doesn't dare to flash any bootloader apart from the official ones on H180 and H340 00.23.04 # leftright: What's that? 00.23.24 # * linuxstb neither 00.23.42 Quit inversion (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.23.57 # he was flashing with an official bootloader, this is why i wonder how he bricked his player 00.24.15 # ? 00.24.25 # exactly 00.24.29 # how did he create the hex file? checked md5sums or used fwpatcher? 00.24.33 # A few lines above you said he was flashing a modded bootloader.... 00.24.43 # modded != official afaiu 00.25.18 # by modded I meant the official bootloader, sorry, 00.25.25 Join DMJC [0] (n=DMJC@122-49-162-215.ip.adam.com.au) 00.25.35 # Speaking of bootloaders. Any chance rombox on h1xx will get official anytime soon? 00.27.00 # http://pastebin.ca/657542 00.27.06 # rockbox won't compile 00.27.15 # latest svn checkout 00.27.43 Quit stripwax (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.28.17 # DMJC: Have you tried a "make clean", or even completely deleting your build directory? 00.28.36 # DMJC: The automated builds seem to be fine... 00.28.38 # k 00.28.45 # make clean I'll try 00.28.55 # nope just died heh 00.29.24 # if svn doesn't compile you'll notice it by looking at the build table. 00.29.27 # well he's going to send his unit back to iriver for reflashing, its just intersting that he managed to brick his player following the instructions 00.29.37 # but if that table is green something is wrong on your side ;-) 00.30.25 # leftright: Maybe a hardware fault? 00.30.32 # All green again :) 00.30.42 # * linuxstb does the green dance 00.31.11 # * robin0800 test 00.31.13 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@ppp-70-253-62-250.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 00.31.21 # hmm still getting it 00.31.29 # blew away my buld dir 00.31.30 # re-run configure 00.31.35 # I did 00.31.46 # linuxstb: he claims that the unit was working perfectly well before the flashing, and that it now hangs at boot, 00.31.55 Part robin0800 00.32.28 # plugin .c throws a warning 00.32.35 # incompatible pointer 00.32.47 # leftright: maybe you want to check the hex he flashed against the known md5sums? 00.32.56 # settings.c has same error as the pastebin 00.32.58 # DMJC: patches applied? 00.33.01 # leftright: And by "official" you mean the prebuilt one in fwpatcher.exe? 00.33.05 # none 00.33.11 # this is fresh without patches 00.33.17 # any other changes to the source? 00.33.17 # Llorean yes 00.33.26 # fwiw http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=55416 00.33.41 # leftright: Is it possible it was either interrupted in the flashing process, or he has an H110 or 115 and doesn't know it? 00.33.41 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.34.02 # hmm 00.34.05 # well he says its a H140 00.34.05 # leftright: Yes, he's posted on our forums too. 00.34.06 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF75E0.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.34.06 # I think I whacked it 00.34.10 # 20 minutes for flashing? 00.34.12 # leftright: Yes, but he bought it used. 00.34.22 # looks like a patch got code left in firmware dir 00.34.24 # sounds really like a problem while flashing :/ 00.34.30 # leftright: Which means it could be an H110/115 with a 40gb drive and the back salvaged from another player 00.35.05 # leftright: He also says it had run Rockbox before, AND he says specifically and clearly that he interrupted the flash. 00.35.18 # after twenty minutes 00.35.20 # Yes 00.35.26 # Which means his OF was the problem. 00.35.41 # If the flash takes that long, there's something wrong, and it's not with the file being flashed. 00.35.46 # it built 00.35.47 # cool 00.35.56 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 00.36.06 # I'll remember that thanks, need to clean more dirs 00.36.53 # nice albumart patch applies cleanly 00.37.00 # Llorean it is indeed a mystery, hopefully iriver can help him, but the problem is, what if he tries again ? 00.37.01 # DMJC: I find "svn status" a useful command... 00.37.06 # ah 00.37.19 # svn revert can also be helpful 00.37.27 # so will albumart patch ever get into trunk? 00.37.39 # leftright: Well, there's nothing we can do about players that either have corrupt iRiver FW or corrupt flash. 00.37.58 # leftright: Until the flash is complete, we can't run any code on the device to check its status. 00.38.13 # DMJC: Just as soon as metadata on buffer is working, and the patch is adapted to it. 00.38.20 # cool 00.38.23 # leftright: has he scandisked his harddisk? 00.38.39 # IOW: it won't get into svn in the current version, but adding AA support is planned. 00.38.44 # A corrupt harddisk will do pretty much what he's describing 00.39.02 # rasher: Cause a flash to take >20 minutes, or the later symptoms? 00.39.08 # I guess if it couldn't read the file, maybe. 00.39.31 # well, as the bootloader itself comes up something has been flashed and is running 00.39.31 # Oh right, forgot the 20 minute flash. But I don't see any later symptoms that couldn't be explained by a broken harddisk 00.39.33 # bluebrother: It'll *pretty much* be the current version. 00.39.45 # Broken/corrupted. 00.39.51 # He really should try formatting the disk 00.39.52 # rasher: Yeah, but he interrupted the flash. I suppose the OF might hang on trying to read a .hex file if the HD is failing to read. 00.39.54 # and the rockbox bootloader is at the end of the flash 00.40.05 # rasher: He can't boot anything, iiuc. Though I guess there's Rockbox bootloader USB. 00.40.08 # I don't know how iriver does it, but our flash plugin on archos first tries to read the flash file completely and verifies the checksum, and only if that's okay, starts flashing 00.40.09 # Llorean: s/version/implementation/. Better? ;-) 00.40.28 # Llorean: He says he can connect with USB and the disk is "working", so I assume rockbox bootloader USB is working. 00.40.40 # rasher: Ah, then a reformat would be good, yes. 00.40.51 # So the only situation where it would fail would be if the disk goes bad between file verification and end of flashing. Some tens of second... 00.40.52 # Llorean: if the OF hung on trying to read the .hex, it *might* not have touched flash yet 00.41.13 # He said Rockbox was already installed, so maybe the bootloader that's being run is the one from the previous flashing. 00.41.29 # rasher: Of course, then our bootloader wouldn't be loading. Though since he mentioned somewhere that I saw him that Rockbox had been installed by the previous owner, it's possible that it never *was* touched, and that the bootloader was always present or something. 00.41.32 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust132.brig.cable.ntl.com) 00.41.34 # linuxstb: well, the rockbox installation could also be on a corrupt part of the harddisk 00.41.38 # Yeah, what linuxstb said, in less words. 00.41.47 # rasher: true, but in that case the RB bootloader wouldn't show up 00.41.54 # bluebrother: Previous installation, keep up. ;) 00.42.00 # (This is because we cannot read the whole flash file into plugin ram. Reading the whole file into ram before flashing would give even more safety) 00.42.03 # bluebrother: RB bootloader is in flash 00.42.20 # * robin0800 test 00.42.31 # That robin0800 guy is unnerving. What's he doing? 00.42.43 # so he was updating the BL or doing a fresh install? I thought it was a fresh install. 00.43.02 # rasher: he's apparently testing something, and he does it often :-) 00.43.15 # bluebrother: It was a fresh install for him. A previous owner had installed Rockbox. So a BL update, I suppose. 00.43.21 # I understand he was updating the BL 00.43.26 # ah, now I get it. 00.43.31 # bluebrother: Maybe he didn't know he didn't need to reinstall the bootloader. 00.43.39 # I really think he should scan the disk 00.43.57 # rasher: I agree, it's a free option... 00.44.03 # I agree that scanning the disk would be good. 00.44.17 # A broken harddisk could also result if he had it shipped to him 00.44.30 # the bootloader runs, so the flash can't be corrupted completely 00.44.47 # He did say it was working prior to his effort 00.45.01 Quit robin0800 (" Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 00.45.04 # and flashs usually are organized in pages that you need to delete completely if you want to rewrite. 00.45.06 # leftright: the flashing attempt might have further wrecked the harddisk 00.45.27 # Especially if the OF was sitting there for 20 minutes, trying to read a corrupt file 00.46.06 # ok, I'll advise him to do a scan of his HD, 00.46.18 # at mistic 00.46.44 Join hannesd_ [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 00.46.44 # if you have a theme with albumart 00.46.47 # and you load it 00.46.58 # what happens if your firmware hasn't got albumart support? 00.47.05 # it wont load 00.47.12 # k 00.47.18 # Our WPS reader is that smart? Neat. 00.47.19 # the wps will get identified as corrupt and the default gets loaded 00.47.23 # the parser will reject it 00.47.24 # cool 00.47.25 # :) 00.48.06 # rasher: These days the parser rejects "invalid" WPSes, such as those with unclosed conditionals or invalid tags. If run in the simulator you can have it give the reasoning for the rejection, I thing with a command line switch. 00.48.11 # * amiconn cannot make sense of this thread 00.48.25 # -debugwps i believe 00.48.50 # Was it - or --? 00.48.59 # one way to find out... 00.49.02 # likely -- 00.49.04 # * amiconn wonders whether the disk is formatted properly 00.49.22 # Speaking of themes, any news on rockbox-themes.org ? 00.49.27 # It's a known bug of the rockbox H1x0 bootloader that it hangs when there is no partition 00.49.48 # (solvable by resetting and using bootloader usb mode to repartiton + format) 00.49.57 # linuxstb: it is being worked on...had a bump where the files all decided to pack up and leave 00.50.14 # is it possible that he flashed with the wrong bootloader ? 00.50.23 # amiconn: But the bootloader appears to successfully load rockbox.iriver 00.50.27 # leftright: It's possible he formatted NTFS 00.50.37 # (attributed to the use of dreamweaver crashing by...an unnamed person) =) 00.50.38 # Oh, right, success 00.50.39 # I suspect the bootloader running if he successfully flashed it 00.50.40 # leftright: if he used fwpatcher, it shouldn't be possible, iiuc 00.50.44 # leftright: Nevermind me 00.50.55 # :) 00.51.18 # It might be an iriver h110/h115, but then it shouldn't have flashed ihp120.hex afaik 00.51.50 # Right 00.51.59 # Because it was named H120.hex, and the OF should look for H100.hex 00.52.00 # But it's not too difficult to find out 00.52.36 # He has a h120 00.52.41 # At least, the bootloader is a h120 00.53.15 # Yes, but thje mistake could be that he took a h120 firmware, patched it with a h120 bootloader, and then put this on a h100 00.53.39 # I doubt he managed to rename ihp-120.hex to ihp-100.hex without knowing he was doing something wrong 00.53.51 # Build rockbox for h100, then repackage the h100 rockbox.bin with scramble for h120, and put the resulting rockbox.iriver on the player 00.53.57 # there is no built in check for that ? 00.54.18 # leftright: How should we know what the OF checks when flashing? 00.54.38 # Someone would have to deliberately try to flash a wrong .hex 00.55.02 Nick datasleep is now known as datachild (n=datachil@217-208-144-87-no75.tbcn.telia.com) 00.55.05 # leftright: well the OF loads a specific file, depending on which model it's running on. I think it also validates the .hex in some way, but how much, I don't know 00.55.47 # I seem to recall a menu letting me select the .hex in one version of the OF, but it was a long time ago, and my memory is not trustworthy 00.55.50 # The test I suggested is simple. I'd also check the partitioning and format. It must be a *primary* fat32 partition 00.56.23 # logical drives are still unsupported (but the iriver OF supports them) 00.56.32 # leftright: might this be the same as http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=11729.0 ? 00.56.53 # bluebrother: that's what I was thinking 00.57.00 # bluebrother: same name, so probably yes :) 00.57.03 # so he really needs to establish which player he has, before he tries again, he might, as llorean pointed out, have a Frankensteined model 00.57.08 Quit Arathis ("Verlassend") 00.57.30 # yes its the same guy 00.57.30 # leftright: Hence my suggestion... 00.57.40 # In fact I'm almost sure that a frankensteined model can be flashed with the wrong bootloader 00.57.51 # Because I know I ran into one person who did have 16mb of RAM, but 40gb of disk. 00.58.03 # Madness 00.58.57 # * Llorean resists making a 300 joke. 00.59.17 # Anyway, the disk check should be a given then, as amiconn pointed out. 00.59.18 # You better. 00.59.47 # a fdisk -l would be nice, as well as scandisk/fsck.vfat/badblockscan 01.00.40 Part n1s 01.01.43 # what is evilG's fusion build? 01.02.07 # custom patches IMHO but which ones?> 01.02.23 # DMJC: Read the thread. 01.03.32 Quit ender` (" Logic is a systematic method of coming to the wrong conclusion with confidence.") 01.03.42 # in unsupported forum? 01.03.47 # Yes. 01.04.49 # hmm 01.06.35 # crazy heh 01.06.46 Part leftright 01.06.50 # pity the build is so outdated :( 01.07.19 # 17th july is most recent 01.07.32 Join hannesd__ [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 01.07.41 Join hannesd___ [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 01.07.41 *** Alert Mode level 1 01.07.41 DBUG Enqueued KICK hannesd 01.07.41 DBUG Enqueued KICK hannesd_ 01.07.41 *** Alert Mode level 2 01.07.41 DBUG Enqueued KICK hannesd__ 01.07.41 DBUG Enqueued KICK hannesd___ 01.07.41 *** Alert Mode level 3 01.08.12 # are there any patches which rockbox will never apply to trunk? 01.08.30 # or is it more just testing/cleaning up code needs to be done before patches are accepted? 01.09.24 # There are quite a few I believe. 01.10.03 # DMJC: If they'll never be applied to trunk, they'll get rejected. 01.10.10 # ok 01.10.12 # So, if you look through the Rejected list, you'll see a good deal of them 01.10.18 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 01.10.28 # Llorean: well there are some open as well, see recent discussion on -dev 01.10.30 # There are a couple kept around because the features that will replace them aren't done yet. 01.10.34 Join tonyyarusso [0] (n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso) 01.10.42 # rasher: Scroll Margins, Custom Line, etc? 01.10.48 # Llorean: STuff like that, yeah 01.10.53 # I'm honestly for closing those. 01.11.00 # But I'm one of the few with that opinion. 01.11.18 # I'd like to see the effort that goes to maintaining/syncing/upgrading those go instead toward a commit-able equivalent. 01.11.29 Join DWSR [0] (n=DWSR@CPE001346de8044-CM00080d71a84c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 01.11.30 # I recently bought an iPod Nano (2nd generation), and went to the Rockbox site to check it out, only to find out my model was basically the only one NOT supported. Are there plans to support the second generation nanos soon? 01.11.34 # hey all. 01.11.47 # 1G nanos > 2G nanos. :-P 01.12.03 # tonyyarusso: we generally don't "plan" to support or not support a particular player. 01.12.06 # tonyyarusso, check the New Ports forum 01.12.25 # tonyyarusso: Short answer is no - no-one is working on such a port. 01.12.26 Join avis [0] (n=avis@pdpc/supporter/student/avis) 01.12.34 # Can I install Rockbox and iPodLinux on the same partition? 01.12.43 # Okay - maybe I can bribe someone :P 01.12.51 # will an ipod flashed with rockbox firmware still be manageable through amarok ? 01.12.55 # DWSR: Rockbox requires FAT32, iPL requires ext2/3 or HFS+ I believe. 01.13.02 # DWSR: Yes, but please ask follow-up questions on #ipodlinux 01.13.09 # Llorean: Can I just run Rockbox off the iPod partition then? 01.13.25 # Llorean: There's now an install method which installs IPL on a FAT32 partition. 01.13.36 # (but that's about all I know) 01.13.51 # avis, yes-ish. if you don't care about using the original firmware, you'd set the device as "generic", otherwise as "ipod" 01.14.14 # linuxstb: I'm really just looking to know if there's anything special I need to do with Rockbox. I have the iPod BootLoader installed, so I'm assuming that I can boot from Rockbox if it's on the iPod partition. 01.14.15 # DWSR: rockbox always runs of the data partition on the ipod 01.14.17 # thank you krazykit 01.14.30 # bluebrother: Didn't know that. :-) Thanks though. 01.14.42 # rockbox support any drive size in ipod? eg 100gb? 01.14.54 # the bootloader isn't run from the data partition but you need a bootloader anyway ... 01.15.11 # the firmware files itself are in a hidden folder on the main partition of the player 01.15.28 # anyway to backup that partition? 01.15.29 # DMJC: I don't think 100GB players are available, but yes. 01.15.29 # dd/ 01.15.31 # dd? 01.15.37 # 100gb drives are.. 01.15.45 # you can use dd ... 01.15.53 # cool 01.15.54 # DMJC: but not as Ipods ;-) 01.15.59 # bluebrother: You can. If you do a hardware hack you can pretty much make your iPod any size. 01.16.00 # yeah :) 01.16.18 # DWSR: I know that you can mod your player. But you can't buy it. 01.16.23 # Stick some extra flash memory in it and away you go. Some guy had a 20g nano. :-P 01.16.24 # I'll wait for a 160gb 1.8 before upgrading hehehe 01.16.34 # some people have mounted 160GB disks to their archos ... 01.16.43 # nice 01.17.01 # IIRC you need a modified build for >137GB 01.17.06 # bluebrother: Some people have mounted 250s 01.17.09 # I think 01.17.27 # Llorean: Surely not in the original case 01.17.35 # I thought 160GB is the largest 2.5" PATA available? 01.17.41 # fat32 is so limited 01.17.42 *** Alert Mode OFF 01.17.45 # amiconn: I'm almost certain there was something on the list about it. 01.17.46 # no linuxstb 01.17.47 # There are 250GB 2.5" disks, bu tonly SATA 01.17.58 # afaik there are larger. 01.17.58 # DMJC: Eh? 01.18.00 # what's the max partition size for fat32? 01.18.01 # Maybe it was someone intending to mount 250, rather than having succeeded. 01.18.13 # DMJC: Many TB IIUC. 01.18.22 # files are limited to 4gb which is crap 01.18.22 # DMJC: Can't remember. Wiki it? 01.18.38 # Why would you need anything larger than a 4GB file on an iPod? 01.18.47 # What'd you do, rip your entire music library to 1 file? :-P 01.18.52 # no man 01.18.54 # just for the sake of doing so? 01.18.55 # portable hdd 01.18.59 # for dvd isos etc 01.19.09 # moving large content/vmware images 01.19.27 # vmware can split up its images automatically ... 01.19.46 Join qweru [0] (n=kvirc@bb-87-80-66-156.ukonline.co.uk) 01.19.48 # And why do you need to store DVD .isos, rather than the files? 01.19.48 # or you can just split the image and catecanate it later 01.20.06 # 2-8tb limit to fat32 01.20.14 # DMJC: (1) there are file split tools. Many archivers can also do that. (2) If you really need to, nobody stops you from having another partition 01.20.22 # heh 01.20.47 # how about (3) if you need a portable disc, buy a portable disc and use any filesystem you like? ;-) 01.20.51 # it's not so much a whinge at rockbox more the entire industry in general :) 01.20.57 # And maximum partition size for fat32 is 128TB iirc 01.21.10 # they do need a better format for cross platform portable disc 01.21.13 # *discs 01.21.19 # forget it. 01.21.40 # not enough interest. Especially not on the MS side. 01.21.48 # FAT32 is a very nice format for cross platform compatibility. All major OSes support it, and it's relatively simple 01.21.58 # indeed. 01.22.52 # it has a few flaws, but it's sufficient for nearly all cases. 01.23.06 Quit hannesd (Connection timed out) 01.23.06 Nick hannesd__ is now known as hannesd (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 01.23.06 DBUG Enqueued KICK hannesd 01.23.08 # how do I get iPodLoader2 to find Rockbox? 01.23.09 # Bagder: any chance I could get renamed to rasher on flyspray. Being stuck with bacon_boy is annoying. 01.23.23 # DWSR, why use ipodloader2? the rockbox bootloader will boot both. 01.23.31 # iPodLoader boots both as well. 01.23.40 # DWSR: It will find it automatically (assuming you're using the very latest version). 01.23.49 # NTFS: windows only (well, linux now also sorta supports it). And microsoft discourages its use on exchangeable media 01.23.50 # DWSR: ask the people at IPL and / or read the thread about loader2 in the unsupported builds forums 01.23.52 Quit hannesd_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.24.06 # What about UDF? 01.24.19 # EXT2/3 etc: Linux only (maybe OSX can support it but I don't know) 01.24.23 # is it safe to say that rockbox wont play wma ? 01.24.42 # amiconn: there's a Windows driver for ext2 as well, in fact. I forget its name now.. 01.24.47 # avis: It is safe to say that rockbox *does* play wma 01.25.04 # (well, except on archos of course) 01.25.04 # ooh wma. 01.25.06 # rasher, i think it's on fs-driver.org or com or something 01.25.09 # rasher, amiconn: there are even more than one ext2 driver for windows. 01.25.20 # reiserfs has a windows driver :) 01.25.23 # krazykit: that's the one I was thinking of. .org, it is. 01.25.27 # All I heard about them is that they're buggy 01.25.31 # ext2fsd was one of them. 01.25.39 # rfsd.sf.net 01.25.43 # Llorean: reading your post, I'm tempted to search and paste an ABBA logo in the logo thread ;) 01.25.45 # it's buggy tho 01.25.52 # works fine, but doesn't support setting the codepage for the filename encoding 01.25.55 # guy stopped coding it when it was nearly finished 01.26.06 # avis: You may want to keep an eye on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges 01.26.10 # reiserfs is ... urgh. 01.26.16 # hehehe 01.26.41 # just saying it exists I didn't claim it was good 01.26.42 # hehehe 01.26.43 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6202.msg91650#msg91650 this is actually surprisingly nice, even if it is terribly simple. I still like the "cube R/note" logo better though. 01.27.10 # Looks cyrillic 01.27.31 # murderfs 01.27.39 Ctcp Ignored 5 channel CTCP requests in 15 minutes and 25 seconds at the last flood 01.27.39 # * amiconn prefers the current rockbox logo, even if some poeple say it's not a "true" logo 01.27.48 # the mockup greyscales won't work with the real hardware ... 01.27.51 # Maybe we can find a codepoint in unicode that looks enough like an RB that we can just use that 01.29.29 # the first thing that came to my mind when reading Llorean's reply was "ABBA" 01.31.11 # "yav" 01.31.56 # DWSR, you mentioned that ipods could be upgraded in size with flash memory. do you happen to know if people sell them upgraded with larger storage ? 01.32.20 # avis: Nope. I'm sure that eBay has that kind of thing though. 01.34.14 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 01.34.42 Quit DWSR ("Leaving") 01.35.49 Join hannesd_ [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 01.40.35 # pixelma: http://www.amazon.com/ABBA-Gold-Greatest-Hits/dp/B000001DZO/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-5641277-2166552?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1187134777&sr=8-1 01.40.58 Join DWSR [0] (n=DWSR@CPE001346de8044-CM00080d71a84c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 01.40.59 # Even the colors are similar. 01.41.22 # hehe, exactly :) 01.42.02 Quit hannesd (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.42.02 Nick hannesd_ is now known as hannesd (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 01.42.13 Quit hannesd___ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.44.24 # Oh dear. I retract any alleged praise for this logo. 01.44.58 # lol 01.46.01 Join hannesd_ [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 01.47.17 # when I first saw it, I thougt "it's not bad" but the longer I keep staring on it the more it gets "blurry" somehow. I start seeing lots of things in it not only the 2 letters it should symbolise... 01.49.46 # plus the backwards R has been done... korn :-( 01.50.05 # I still think this one http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6202.msg52983#msg52983 is the best (and yes, better than the current "logo") 01.50.56 # It wins on many levels. It's a box. It's a note. It's an R (with some imagination). It's square, so it works well as an icon. 01.51.04 # and as amiconn said the backwards "R" looks like the cyrillic letter (sound of "ya") 01.51.11 # i like that current logo better, but that one is kind of cool 01.51.23 # i actually saw the R before i saw the note 01.51.47 # Plus it works well in monochrome 01.51.51 # * bluebrother hasn't seen a logo proposal he liked better than the current one 01.52.06 # And at fairly small sizes 01.52.08 # rasher: did you try a monochrome version of that? 01.52.28 # pixelma: actually, no. But at least in print. Perhaps not on low-res displays. 01.52.44 # I could *imagine* that it would be possible but never tried 01.53.29 # and then I don't know how nice the result would be 01.53.29 # I'm quite certain it'll work in high-res monochrome (print). Of course you'll lose the detail of the one side being different 01.59.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.03.26 Join lespea [0] (n=lespea@c-66-41-157-105.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 02.03.32 # hello 02.03.43 # "[attachment deleted by admin, too old]" I see this in the Forums. What does it mean? 02.04.45 # there was an attachment before which was deleted by an admin because he thought it was too old? 02.04.59 # would make sense to me 02.05.11 # But what does "too old" mean? 02.05.42 # I didn't know attachments had expiration dates 02.06.11 # maybe that's something an admin can decide? 02.06.14 # if they have limited space they could just be running a script to remove old files to make room for new ones 02.07.05 Quit bdgraue (Remote closed the connection) 02.07.06 # so if you guys had to get a large (hd) mp3 player... what would it be 02.07.30 # my computer. 02.07.54 # I'd get a 60gb ipod video. Unless I wanted to do recording. The form factor does it for me, and the downsides (lower battery life) don't concern me much. 02.07.55 # With 2TB of storage and studio quality sound card and speakers. 02.08.06 # Iaudio M5 02.08.57 # or perhaps an upgraded h140 02.09.03 # So does Rockbox automagically find the files that I put on my iPod with iTunes? 02.09.08 # bluebrother: the M5 is available with a maximum of an 40GB drive only - haven't even seen one yet 02.09.13 # DWSR: if you use the Database, yes. 02.09.18 # ok. 02.09.28 # oh -- thought it's available as 60GB 02.09.29 # DWSR: and set it to auto-update. 02.09.30 # i dislike ipods (had one) 02.09.36 # and 40 gb is too small :/ 02.09.50 # what do you mean "upgraded" h140? 02.09.55 # bluebrother: the X5s are 02.10.26 Join ctaylorr [0] (n=ctaylorr@CPE001839ae25b4-CM0011aea4a276.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 02.10.53 # lespea: did you see the BuyersGuide in the wiki? 02.10.57 # lespea: upgrade the harddisk to something bigger 02.11.05 # bluebrother, thanks 02.11.24 # pixelma, no... i didn't look to be honest 02.11.31 # much rather just talk to ppl :/ 02.11.39 # but those players aren't in production anymore :( 02.11.44 # :( 02.13.13 # huh the x5 does look pretty cool 02.13.13 # yay! seems theme installation is almost coomplete 02.13.19 # how's the video playback, anybody know? 02.13.29 # Rockbox ftw. 02.13.46 # lespea: see the PluginMpegplayer wiki page. 02.14.02 # it basically works, but not too good. 02.14.06 # bluebrother, said it's a hack 02.14.07 # yeah 02.14.10 # depending on player and what you expect ;-) 02.14.17 # fair enough 02.14.25 # that's not really the highest priority 02.14.29 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.14.41 # is the stock firmware basically crap? 02.14.54 # depends on the player ;-) 02.15.15 # on h100 series it wasn't too bad. But I started disliking it the moment I started using ogg files 02.15.21 # and rockbox is wayyy better :) 02.15.45 # Does Rockbox support WMA, OGG, FLAC, and WAV files without any special work? 02.15.53 # yup 02.16.16 # hehe 02.16.17 # wma support is still a bit rough around the edges though, I believe 02.16.20 # wma is in an early stage 02.16.27 # no seeking yet. 02.16.29 # i'm 100% mp3 here 02.16.44 # i know ogg is better but i went w/mp3 for the compatability purposes 02.17.03 # I'm partly FLAC because I produce music 02.17.07 # I started converting like 2 years ago. Never want to go back. 02.17.38 # i'm just too lazy to reencode from flac. 02.17.42 # bluebrother, all my mp3's are 192 variable w/lame (except downloaded of course) 02.17.55 # If I have iTunes set to Display Album Artwork, will Rockbox as well? 02.18.14 # All my music is ogg when I have the choice (mainly on principle - my ears can't tell the difference anyway). I don't particularly have any issues with compatability. 02.18.18 # there are other things I dislike about mp3 ... id3v1 vs. v2 f.e. 02.18.20 # DWSR, nope. 02.18.22 # krazykit, no real point in re-encoding to flac... the "damage" has already been done 02.18.28 # lespea, FROM flac. 02.18.36 # oh... lol sorry 02.18.36 Join JavaMan22 [0] (n=HP_Admin@c-24-61-91-138.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) 02.18.39 # my bad 02.18.43 # the majority of my music is in flac right now. probably 70% 02.18.54 # why does so many themes i download not work 02.19.14 # JavaMan22: Maybe they require unofficial builds. Or maybe you haven't installed the fonts pack. Possibly both. 02.19.25 # o 02.19.25 # JavaMan22, various reasons, ranging from being old to unofficial builds. 02.19.32 # must have bugs in your player... i suggest shaking until they're all gone 02.19.48 # wats a good theme that is up to date 02.19.52 # :p 02.20.03 # JavaMan22, so we're supposed to magically guess what player you have? 02.20.05 # lespea: while I laughed, it's probably not appropriate to give such advice in a support channel. You never know who's reading 02.20.13 # 5.5g :o 02.20.17 # hmm, aren't we getting quite off topic atm? Maybe move this to #rockbox-community? 02.20.30 # OTOH it's quite late here. I should go for some sleep :) 02.20.37 Part JavaMan22 02.20.40 # rasher, more like, you never know who's gonna follow silly instructions 02.20.45 Join JavaMan22 [0] (n=HP_Admin@c-24-61-91-138.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) 02.20.53 # wups 02.21.02 # oh my bad :o 02.21.03 # so any suggestions? 02.21.27 # anything on the official rockbox site that you think looks good. 02.21.42 # but i just said most of them dont work 02.21.52 # wow, the cheapest x5 on a Very quick froogle was >400! 02.22.34 # JavaMan22: you should look for one that claims to work with an official rockbox build. In other words, one that doesn't require any patches or special builds. 02.22.44 # JavaMan22: you should also install the fonts pack, if you haven't yet. 02.23.01 # the font packs that come with the themes? 02.23.06 # or the one in the daily build 02.23.10 # that has all fonts 02.23.14 # JavaMan22: no, the one on the daily build page 02.23.15 # the daily fonts. 02.23.22 # hmm 02.23.26 # if i do svn up 02.23.28 # oh nvm you can get it on their site for 300 02.23.30 # still $$$ 02.23.32 # does it download the newest fonts? 02.23.48 # if you checked out the fonts module, yes. 02.23.55 # hmm 02.24.00 # also antoher thing 02.24.01 # You still need to put them on your player, of course 02.24.04 # its not because of font 02.24.10 # the spacing is wrong on themes like 02.24.11 # : 02.24.18 # Clix 02.24.21 # jClix 02.24.30 # JavaMan22: where did you download them? 02.24.36 # http://www.rockbox-themes.org/Top30_Charts/2007/08_August.html 02.24.53 # you also need to convert the fonts -- svn has the fonts in bdf format while rockbox requires its own fnt format 02.25.05 # I bet the easiest way is to just use the zip 02.25.12 # ok ill downlaod 02.25.34 # do you guys recommend dual-booting? 02.25.35 # I think those 2 require some patches 02.25.44 # or is it more hastle than it's worth? 02.25.51 # Ugh, the top-30 doesn't have a link to the details 02.25.57 # also how come my dictionary wont work 02.26.00 # my dict plugin 02.26.09 # i got the 2 files and places them in .rockbox 02.26.23 # *placed 02.26.33 # jClix requires patches. 02.26.51 # o 02.27.02 # lespea: on X5 it's a bit of a hassle because you need an unsupported bootloader (at the moment) - imo it's only worth it if you really need usb otg 02.27.20 # pixelma, ah 02.27.21 # i hope Breeze doesnt... 02.27.33 # because that looks very nice :o 02.28.09 # JavaMan22: you'd be better off browsing this list: http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=320x240x16 and checking under each theme if it requires non-official features 02.28.18 # o yeh how come many themes include album pictures 02.28.24 # but ive never come across one 02.28.25 # that works 02.28.41 # album art isn't an official feature 02.28.41 # JavaMan22: Because album art isn't supported by Rockbox. 02.28.46 # at least not yet. 02.29.01 # JavaMan22: look in that page I linked you to for a WPS that has "Any Recent Daily Build" as Min Version 02.29.25 # JavaMan22: Those are almost certain to work, unless they're very old 02.29.27 # k 02.30.57 # thanks ill try some out 02.31.10 Quit JavaMan22 ("Leaving.") 02.32.39 Part pixelma 02.34.44 # ok, themes installer needs to get its last polishing tomorrow. Nite guys. 02.34.57 Quit bluebrother ("sleep.") 02.35.26 # I like bloodstained or dockpod remix. Or the phkTAPE for gimmick-value 02.35.55 # wow the video ipod themes beat the crap out of the x5 ones :o 02.35.55 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.36.27 # as do the toshiba ones 02.37.05 # the gigabeat ones are pretty ok. can't say i've found a sansa theme i really like though. 02.37.25 # if i could just find some decent icons, i'd just make my own. 02.37.28 # The gigabeat is positively huge 02.37.47 # as it is, i don't have the inkscape skill to make icons that don't suck the big one. 02.39.10 # how is the gigabeat as a player? 02.40.10 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 02.40.22 # and out of curiosity, why is it that a "hack" is needed for album art... why isn't it incorporated into the main release? 02.40.47 # lespea: the way the patch is implemented isn't terribly clean 02.41.27 # lespea: In short terms, it's code we don't want. And Rockbox needs some architecture changes before a "proper" version of album art can be included. 02.41.28 # ah 02.41.36 # Those are underway though, so all is not lost. 02.41.43 # makes perfect sense actually, thank you :) 02.42.02 # is there a general eta for those changes? 02.42.15 # like months, years, ? 02.42.34 # whenever someone gets around to implementing it, really. 02.42.56 # I don't really know how work is progressing, but I'm tempted to guess "months" 02.43.10 # is that part of the SoC project? 02.43.37 # holy cow... i found a 60gb gigabeat for 214 02.43.39 # $ 02.43.50 # that's one helluva deal 02.44.01 # i suppose. 02.44.04 # :o 02.44.07 # you can find the 40s for right around 100 02.44.19 # maybe 20 more or so. 02.44.19 # wow that's a big difference 02.44.30 # krazykit: I believe MetadataOnBuffer (the needed architecture change) is a SoC project. Album-art itself isn't. 02.44.34 # i could probably live w/40 02.44.48 # i thought i could 02.44.53 # haha 02.45.04 # but i only have one gig of free space 02.45.25 # yeah my music's at 42 gigs right now so i'd have to not have All my stuff 02.46.09 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 02.46.31 # i'm right around 38 or 39, then. i'm considering moving to vorbis, so i have the benefit of lower bitrates but higher quality 02.46.59 # ah 02.47.38 # how're the controls on it?... wait do you even have a gigabeat? lol 02.48.39 # yeah, i have a gigabeat 02.48.46 # the cross takes some getting used to 02.48.51 # like it or would you stear me clear? 02.48.55 # oh? 02.48.56 # oh, i like it 02.49.09 # it's a touch-thing, but rockbox uses it as buttons 02.49.11 Quit DWSR (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.49.16 # once you get used to it, it's not even a problem at all 02.49.24 # oh okay good... that's what i'd want it as anyways 02.49.29 # do you dual-boot it or is there no point? 02.49.34 # there's no dual-booting 02.49.46 # but the original firmware was a piece of shit 02.49.51 # scratch-that ;) 02.49.53 # ah 02.49.54 # encrypting my mp3s? pff. 02.49.59 # lol wtf! 02.50.04 # no wonder it's so cheap! 02.50.31 # i actually bought it for rockbox, so i turned it on briefly with the OF. i've spent less than 5 minutes in the OF ;-) 02.50.51 # LOL 02.50.53 # that's hilarious 02.51.56 # rockbox is so much better than the original firmware. it's like the difference between... 02.52.14 # being kicked in the stomach and enjoying a slice of pizza, perhaps. 02.52.27 # haha 02.52.45 # is it bulky or slim; big or small 02.52.59 # well, to not exaggerate, maybe between watching someone else eat pizza and eating it yourself 02.53.01 # also, sorry in advance if i ask too many ?s... just tell me to stop if i do :p 02.53.10 # eh, slim enough, i guess 02.53.23 # it's a few mm less wide than the ipod, but a few mm thicker 02.53.51 # can't say i've put them side-by-side, though. 02.54.03 # that's fair... i only want a general size-up anyways 02.54.10 # the screen looks fab-u-lous 02.54.33 # i came from a black & white player, so it was a big upgrade. it's pretty damn nice. 02.54.50 # i mean, it's the same as the ipod video, just rotated 90 degrees 02.55.36 # w/rockbox can you rotate the screen... does that make sense? 02.56.01 # mpegplayer automatically rotates, and there's a patch to rotate, but it requires a reboot and a custom bootloader 02.56.20 # for switching. you could easily use the sideways mode all the time. 02.57.59 # hmm don't think i care that much ;) 02.58.06 # mpegplayer look descent? 02.58.24 # err.... not that it matters since it wont have room for any movies :p 02.58.40 # gigabeat plays stuff at full resolution at full fps. it's got a pretty beefy processor. 02.59.08 # gigabeat is extremely powerful, compared to an ipod video 02.59.10 # shit cool 02.59.14 # tv out works? 02.59.21 # no 02.59.26 # poo 02.59.32 # i didn't even know it supported tv-out 02.59.45 # ...but don't you have a damn dvd player for that anyway :P 02.59.50 # i just assumed :/ 02.59.53 # my bad! 03.00.11 # avi movies on the fly... would be very nice 03.00.53 # it only supports mpeg2 video, though, so you'd be converting video anyway 03.01.25 # yuck ! 03.01.39 # then i def. wont be using that 03.01.41 # meh, it's a music player. i don't understand wanting video on it anyway. 03.01.42 # for sure no room 03.01.45 # In almost all cases, you'd be converting anyway. I don't see why mpeg2 is so unappealing 03.01.49 # i'd only want it for video out 03.02.31 # you know of a product that's basically a hard drive w/video out (no screen or anything) that could just be used to scurry around xvid's and stuff 03.02.41 # cuz i would so buy that 03.02.46 # most PMP devices, probably 03.03.05 # dapreview has a big list of them somewhere 03.03.31 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@75-128-122-8.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) 03.05.11 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 03.05.16 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 03.05.37 # they're so small though and have crap for outputs... like i'd want 500+ harddrvie 03.05.59 # be back in 20. 03.06.15 # k 03.11.56 Join IA4004 [0] (n=chatzill@189.156.234.138) 03.23.56 # righto. 03.26.30 # so i'm bidding on a gigabeat 60Gb... right now only at 140 03.26.56 # figured it'd be worth the extra $ for more room 03.27.16 Quit thegeek (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.27.46 # yeah, but you COULD just get 2 40's ;-) 03.28.01 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s189a.studby.ntnu.no) 03.28.52 Quit tchan ("WeeChat 0.2.6-cvs") 03.32.49 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.33.17 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 03.33.39 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 03.36.30 Quit Echelon (Remote closed the connection) 03.40.30 Join Angelofwar [0] (i=4b4b4e36@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-50fa2b235d67fe21) 03.40.38 # Hi guys 03.40.46 # I have a question 03.41.01 # what happens? 03.41.04 # I want to update my ipod video to latest vesion of rockbox 03.41.17 # but i want to preserve all settings and games and stuff 03.41.23 # erm 03.41.32 # download rockbox utility 03.41.42 # simple enough. just unzip the build into the root of the ipod 03.42.08 # yeah but will that overwrite previous scores on games, backgrounds, fonts...etc 03.42.23 # though plugins have recently been put into directories, so you may have to move the configs and high scores to the correct locations 03.42.31 # it won't touch your WPS settings or anything, though 03.42.34 # I see 03.43.08 # I'm a little paranoid to touch it because i'm multibooting apple os, rockbox, and ipodlinux through ipodlinux's bootloader 03.43.25 # dont get scared about that 03.43.43 # Yeah i didn't think it would effect linux or anything 03.43.52 # it's just there is nothing wrong with my ipod right now 03.43.55 # and everything is great 03.43.59 # but i need to update 03.44.08 # so go ahead and update it 03.44.15 # but then again what is new? 03.44.20 # since when? 03.44.24 # 1 sec 03.44.27 # lots of bug fixes, to be sure 03.45.22 # Version r12551-070302 03.45.49 # march, damn. 03.46.03 # ha is it that old? 03.46.05 # wma support, among other things 03.46.12 # well, seeing as it's the middle of august, yes, that's old 03.46.21 # is there some sort of changelog i could look at 03.46.36 # there's a MajorChanges page 03.47.17 # yeah 03.47.28 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges 03.47.29 # that one 03.48.58 # i see 03.49.10 Join Echelon [0] (n=SweetOne@208.53.166.244) 03.49.36 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@71-10-136-117.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) 03.49.54 # well really the only thing I want to save is the high score for 1 game and the backgrounds/font sizes 03.50.04 # so i will just copy/paste to root and hope for the best! 03.50.35 # I wonder if they have fixed the battery bug 03.50.48 Quit lespea (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.50.52 # what bug, the one where the runtime is much worse? 03.51.09 # If you're referring to the runtime, I wouldn't call it a "bug" so much as simply Rockbox being incomplete on iPods so far. 03.51.14 # It is like whenever I shut down rockbox using the play button 03.51.18 # We don't have the information necessary yet. 03.51.23 # the next time it turns on it's almost out of batterys 03.51.37 # wierd 03.59.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.01.12 Quit Angelofwar ("CGI:IRC") 04.03.51 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 04.04.11 Join SunSh4r3 [0] (n=hirc2000@121.31.33.233) 04.09.42 Quit RaRe` ("Quit msgs should be longer.") 04.18.44 Part SunSh4r3 04.18.53 Join McVonstein [0] (i=423d4e6a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2b04f995f990a0e4) 04.23.55 Join RaRe [0] (n=Laffin_B@202-89-187-101.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) 04.25.00 Quit McVonstein ("CGI:IRC") 04.25.08 Join McVonstein [0] (i=423d4e6a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0474147876f71f05) 04.25.48 # how much code has changed in a month? 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06.12.32 # woops 06.12.44 # can that be defined in the wps? 06.12.59 # DMJC: "Left justified" and "Positioned via x/y" is to an extent mutually exclusive... 06.13.05 # Usually X defines the leftmost edge of the text. 06.13.23 # But in the case of the WPS, Y is controlled simply by which line you put it on, and you have L/C/R justification 06.13.29 # ok basically i want something | | text sits here 06.13.47 # so I need a big gap between the text and the left edge of the screen 06.18.49 Quit Gratuitous ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 06.21.16 Part avis ("dissolving clouds") 06.35.06 Join perrikwp_ [0] (n=chatzill@74.167.148.160) 06.39.30 Join korndub [0] (i=44360324@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2149ac137e5d07f4) 06.41.10 # hello i just installed rockbox on my 30g 5.5 ipod and i have a question,. i have looked in the manual but cant seem to find how to modify button mapping... could someone please help? 06.41.43 # It requires compiling 06.42.13 # im sorry to be a pest, where can i find instructions on how to do this? 06.42.24 # There's a SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page 06.42.56 # thank you 06.46.47 Quit korndub ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 06.53.34 Join IA4004 [0] (n=chatzill@189.156.234.138) 06.53.49 Quit perrikwp (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.56.00 Join toffe82 [0] (i=chatzill@12-46-54-18.seatac.seattwa.wayport.net) 06.57.55 Join hfliezfh [0] (n=agnth@vrnawihed51-pool6-a219.vrnawi.tds.net) 07.00.17 Nick IA4004 is now known as mexicankiller (n=chatzill@189.156.234.138) 07.04.35 Nick mexicankiller is now known as IA4004 (n=chatzill@189.156.234.138) 07.12.44 Nick IA4004 is now known as mexicankiller (n=chatzill@189.156.234.138) 07.15.57 Nick mexicankiller is now known as IA4004 (n=chatzill@189.156.234.138) 07.16.38 Part IA4004 07.18.36 # ... 07.21.59 Part toffe82 07.24.26 # sarixe: did you need something? 07.24.32 # nope 07.24.45 # just look at IA4004/mexicankiller though 07.25.08 # can't make up his mind, lol 07.31.54 Quit perrikwp_ ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518]") 07.32.20 Join perrikwp_ [0] (n=chatzill@74.167.148.160) 07.32.23 Nick perrikwp_ is now known as perrikwp (n=chatzill@74.167.148.160) 07.36.48 Join IA4004 [0] (n=chatzill@189.156.234.138) 07.40.12 Join davina [0] (n=dave@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 07.40.55 Join sitwon [0] (n=adam@pool-71-246-248-78.washdc.fios.verizon.net) 07.42.45 Quit McVonstein ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 07.49.09 Quit perrikwp ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518]") 07.49.28 Join perrikwp_ [0] (n=chatzill@74.167.148.160) 07.49.31 Nick perrikwp_ is now known as perrikwp (n=chatzill@74.167.148.160) 07.51.52 Quit advcomp2019 ("Leaving") 07.59.51 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.01.09 Nick fnakihlbh is now known as Anakin (i=0@86.122.116.44) 08.01.40 Quit hcs ("Leaving.") 08.03.09 Join ddalton [0] (n=daniel@203-214-50-20.dyn.iinet.net.au) 08.05.57 Quit ddalton (Client Quit) 08.06.03 Join ddalton [0] (n=daniel@203-214-50-20.dyn.iinet.net.au) 08.08.43 Quit sitwon (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 08.10.38 Quit BigBambi (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.20.37 Quit alienbiker99 ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 08.21.44 # does anyone know anything about p6323? 08.25.36 # what is that? 08.38.57 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@71-35-115-101.tukw.qwest.net) 08.41.25 Join GodEater [0] (n=bryan@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 08.45.47 # IA4004: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6323 08.47.04 Join chrisjs169__ [0] (n=chrisjs@pool-71-254-214-208.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) 08.51.27 Join BobShiel1 [0] (i=rshield@c-24-15-123-57.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 08.51.56 Quit BobShield (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.55.31 # I have one whole kudos! 08.55.41 # * GodEater would like to thank petur for his kind contribution 08.55.49 Quit tedr0ck (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.56.07 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B15191.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.56.07 Quit midkay (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.56.20 # i am... Ranked 54679 of 54754...ouch 08.56.30 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 08.56.43 # * GodEater goes search for scorche to kudos him up a bit 08.56.51 # nooooo =P 08.56.59 # I like how you can give kudos to people even if they're not on ohloh 08.57.06 # linuxstb is doing really well ! 08.57.31 # do we have an unlimited amount of kudos? 08.58.11 # I've not run out of it to give away yet 08.58.18 # it is unlimited 08.58.23 # You can't run out, but they're worth less the more you give, it says 08.58.27 # what is kudos? 08.58.59 # off i go to load people up then... 08.59.00 # IA4004: see ohloh.net 08.59.11 # * linuxstb_ wonders what this ohloh thing is all about... 08.59.21 # it's how Bagder is planning on paying you 08.59.29 # the less kudos you have, the less money he sends you 08.59.32 # :) 08.59.34 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjorn@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 08.59.42 # darn, when did that leak? 09.00.09 # * jhMikeS probably owes money then :P (g'morning) 09.00.13 # * Llorean wonders if there's a way to decline Kudos... 09.00.23 # B4gder: you are very sparkly =) 09.00.33 # is 10 as high as you can get ranked ? 09.00.37 # yes 09.01.10 Quit perrikwp ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518]") 09.01.37 # I'm amazed, I jumped from one to seven with only one vote 09.01.59 # their algo is a bit weird 09.02.10 # no such luck for me... 09.02.15 # vote? 09.02.16 Join advcomp2019 [0] (n=advcomp2@66.172.231.192) 09.02.24 # jhMikeS: I mean kudos 09.02.43 # scorche: I suspect it's because I got mine from petur, who is already like rank 9 or something, and you only got one from me :( 09.02.52 # i see... 09.03.03 # * Llorean is rank 8 for no apparent reason 09.03.06 # but as bagder says, their algo is a bit odd 09.03.24 Quit chrisjs169_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.03.24 # it's far from obvious how various people end up 09.03.43 # does developer contributions come into effect as well? 09.03.47 # yes 09.03.58 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@79.187.93.186) 09.04.51 # no surprise you are a 10 then =) 09.05.27 # I also think that you get more for contributing to widely used projects (ie part of many stacks) 09.05.40 # someone would suggest me something to do at 2am? 09.05.45 # hahaha xD 09.05.51 # IA4004: fix a few bugs 09.05.55 # erm 09.06.03 # I dont know how to program 09.06.08 # IA4004: use rockbox?...as we said before, this isnt a social channel 09.06.13 # then learn how to program! 09.06.31 # I'm on the hardware side not on the software 09.07.03 # then make us an open hardware DAP 09.07.09 # hahaha 09.07.14 # erm 09.07.24 # too much time for that 09.07.31 # I know just a bit 09.07.36 # Llorean: where do you put the ohloh widget code to get it to show up in your forum sig ? 09.07.40 # not much,just the basics 09.07.43 Join perrikwp [0] (n=chatzill@74.167.148.160) 09.07.45 # so neither hardware, nor software just yet? =P 09.08.03 # I prefer hardware 09.08.04 # GodEater: In the forum sig section of your forum profile? It eats up a large portion of the maximum number of characters. 09.08.39 # I tried that, but it just rendered it as text 09.08.43 # but the computer eats up most of my time 09.08.49 # * scorche would rather not put one of those up with a 0 commit, rank 1 under his signatire =P 09.09.28 Join bluebrother [0] (i=RWeZrKgn@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 09.09.31 # GodEater: turn html on in your profile? 09.09.42 # ah - didn't spot that option 09.09.49 # I'll try that when the forums wake up again 09.10.20 # the Contributors section at ohloh.net is just weird to look at. I 09.10.47 # 've got one of the shortest records and one of the highest lines modified 09.11.15 # I like those different stats 09.11.38 # damn the TWiki preferences are too complex to understand them 09.12.28 Quit perrikwp (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.13.09 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.13.09 # * GodEater can't find the html option 09.13.28 # GodEater: There's a Bulletin Board Code widget that you use, it's not the HTML one 09.13.30 Join perrikwp [0] (n=chatzill@74.167.148.160) 09.13.39 Join barry_ [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.183.122) 09.14.00 Nick barry_ is now known as barrywardell (n=barrywar@194.46.183.122) 09.14.01 # ah 09.14.15 Nick IA4004 is now known as mexicankiller (n=chatzill@189.156.234.138) 09.14.33 # I must be going blind 09.16.32 # GodEater: then you're using just the right dap firmware! 09.16.40 # hahaha 09.16.43 # v. true 09.16.50 # :-) 09.16.57 # * GodEater attempts to also insert his gravatar into the forums 09.17.13 # and predictably, it fails 09.17.46 # erm 09.18.07 # I think that I have nothing to do at 2 am xD 09.18.28 # stop changing your nick so much please... 09.18.33 # ok 09.18.40 # it will be that nick 09.18.42 # and as well, like i said, this isnt a social channel 09.18.50 # ok sorry 09.18.55 # erm 09.19.03 # I've got my sansa open 09.19.13 # and I dont know what to do 09.19.17 # mexicankiller: not an R model is it? 09.19.22 # erm 09.19.28 # exactly 09.19.42 # you mean it is or is not? 09.19.49 # is not 09.20.05 # is it a 1.1 hw revision? 09.20.10 # it gaved me a lot of troubles 09.20.13 # erm 09.20.15 # what is the difference between r and non-r (other than "one lets you use rhapsody, and one allows installation of rockbox")? fundamental hardware diff? 09.20.20 # yes 1.1 09.20.28 # hfliezfh: good question 09.20.31 # hfliezfh: there's no fundamental hw diff that we know of 09.20.42 # erm 09.20.48 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c58-109-97-210.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au) 09.20.55 # mexicankiller: so possibly we could use hidef scans of it 09.20.57 # the rhapsody models are getting cheap 09.21.05 # just, one you can't flash and the other you can? (or has that changed) 09.21.12 # I think I could buy one in 2 months 09.21.22 # mexicankiller: why do you change your nick? 09.21.27 # erm 09.21.29 # B4gder: Do you know if the USB disk mode is hiding part of the flash disk on the R? i.e. is it presenting a slightly smaller disk? 09.21.29 # hfliezfh: put shortly that's still the case 09.21.37 # is just that I like that nick 09.21.50 # linuxstb_: I don't know, I've not gotten any clear response on that yet 09.22.03 # mexicankiller: why don't you use it then? 09.22.15 # I dont know xD 09.22.27 # markun: Any TTS news? 09.22.34 # linuxstb_: nope :( 09.23.04 Quit sarixe ("Peace") 09.23.12 # I now have the way to open my sansa 09.23.19 # I'm goiung to open it 09.23.45 # you already said you had it open... 09.23.48 # hurrah - gravatar successfully embedded too 09.24.01 # oo, fancy 09.24.03 Quit Weiss (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.24.13 # so post something so that we can admire it! 09.24.17 # * GodEater had to strip off the rating and size again 09.24.19 # sansa, is easy to open. just remove the screws and use fingernails -- no damage. 09.24.31 # just look at the ipod install went wrong thread 09.24.38 # yeah I found the sansa very easy to open and close without damage 09.24.44 # GodEater: haha....just a "7"? 09.24.49 # I could even detach parts easily 09.25.16 # and also the nand chip of the sansa is magnet proof 09.25.38 # mexicankiller: what possible benefit does that give to this channel? 09.25.58 # magnet proof? 09.26.16 # are magnets really that hard on a typical nand? 09.26.23 # * GodEater is proud of his 7 :( 09.26.24 # yes 09.26.30 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF4B68.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.26.55 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 09.26.56 # I've detached the nand chip 09.27.07 # I heard some cracking noises 09.27.18 # you only have one nand chip then? 09.27.20 # it's got a little tape deck in it 09.27.50 # erm 09.27.51 # apparently he does now 09.28.06 # :) 09.28.12 # 2 chips on the little board 09.28.28 # one has an stick with a serial 09.28.59 # we are familiar with the board of the sansas... 09.29.28 # whats the diference between a sansa ver 1.0 and a 1.1? 09.29.45 # mexicankiller: it seems rockbox has some graphical glitch on the lcd when it runs on the 1.1 09.30.06 # I have the 1.1:( 09.30.09 # is that confirmed to be limited to 1.1? 09.30.16 # yep 09.30.18 # hfliezfh: I'm not sure 09.30.27 # hfliezfh: You can't confirm something like that 09.30.39 # At best you can say "All respondents who've checked their hardware version have reported 1.1" 09.30.42 # you can disprove it easily, tho 09.30.47 # granted. 09.30.54 # Yep, you can disprove it, but we haven't managed to yet. 09.30.59 # I would guess that most people never check their PCB ;-) 09.31.02 # So it's at least a fair bet until new information comes up 09.31.09 # people are strange 09.31.25 # I'd love to know what the correlating factor with the dodgy Nanos is. 09.32.08 # erm 09.32.08 # Solar activity 09.32.21 # if need parts of the sansa 09.32.32 # my sansa is ruined so 09.32.34 # mexicankiller, next time you feel the need to say 'erm' on a line by itself, don't. 09.32.46 # oh ok 09.32.56 # mexicankiller: feel free to submit your parts on the SpareParts wiki page 09.33.07 # GodEater: in theory we now have failing ones running 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, and 1.3.1, with several known hardware revisions *and* flash firmware versions, including one perfectly identical to mine 09.33.42 # B4gder I already put that in the spare parts section 09.33.47 # ah, cool 09.33.49 # but I'm going to edit it 09.33.53 # in which case I stand by my diagnosis - clearly solar storms and the respondents position under different parts of the ozone layer are to blame! 09.33.55 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust362.winn.cable.ntl.com) 09.34.03 # as this cant be run anymore :( 09.34.07 # GodEater: I should poll geographic location. 09.34.11 # the sansa gave me troubles 09.34.12 # hehe yep 09.34.13 # mexicankiller: what happened to it? 09.34.17 # GodEater: Maybe it's something crazy like "All Australian Nanos" 09.34.24 Quit ddalton ("I was using BOFHNet IRC version 1.2 by fmillion - get your copy today from http://www.the-bofh.com/bofhnet/irc !") 09.34.26 # when I bought it 09.34.34 # days later it gave me troubles 09.34.35 # Llorean: maybe their electricity flows the wrong way? 09.34.39 # relating to the files 09.34.49 # GodEater: Counterclockwise spin! So obvious! 09.34.57 # mexicankiller: so why didn't you just return it under the warranty? 09.35.06 # the sansa E200 series is a very problematic DAP 09.35.13 # mexicankiller: why so? 09.35.39 # you have to reformat it every mont to give away the troubles 09.35.57 # did the forums just go down? 09.35.58 # I don't believe that 09.36.19 # nvm, error is gone. 09.36.21 # man I'm not saying lies 09.36.24 # hfliezfh: they're usually very slow at this time of day 09.36.36 # is the truth the whole truth 09.36.37 # mexicankiller: I believe you had this problem with your player, sure 09.36.43 # yes 09.36.55 # it doesn't mean that the e200 series have this problem in general 09.37.11 # I've had use a zen nano and it never gaved me any trouble 09.37.12 # I've never heard anyone mention it before 09.37.17 # mexicankiller: every dap is a problematic dap if you have a problem with it; quality control always has at least some issues and no device is perfect 09.37.41 # mexicankiller: seems like you have a vast amount of units to run statistics on... 09.38.34 # in my house I'm the one who knows more about pc;s 09.38.47 # * Llorean posts one last post in the forums, and heads to bed. 09.38.50 # my mom doessn't know how to use it 09.39.59 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 09.40.00 Join ddalton [0] (n=daniel@203-214-50-20.dyn.iinet.net.au) 09.41.19 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@71.93.21.44) 09.43.14 # What's the accepted way of smoothing out a button read? If I hold a button on the gigabeat, but column data fluctuates (mostly correct though) 09.43.33 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 09.43.46 # hey 09.43.56 # something weird happened to my sansa 09.44.09 # aliask: the button driver is supposed to handle that 09.44.24 # LinusN: I'm writing the button driver :P 09.44.24 # mexicankiller: you killed it? :-P 09.44.28 # not 09.44.38 # aliask: then see how it is done on the other targets 09.44.57 # Righto 09.45.36 # it now 09.45.46 # shows the screen all white 09.46.34 # thats wierd 09.46.39 # so you broke it when you disassembled it? 09.46.43 # erm 09.46.45 # no 09.46.55 # I just put things as it were 09.47.10 # and now it doesn't work anymore... 09.47.25 # I can acces to recovery mode 09.47.47 # now it says 09.48.07 # "load main image failed switch to recovery mode" 09.48.31 # so put a fine mi4 back on it 09.48.53 # "load main image failed" == the mi4 was not fine 09.49.02 # I would assume at least 09.49.36 # now the shame 09.49.44 # is that I losed the cable 09.50.47 # I'll be back very later 09.50.49 # see ya 09.51.06 # I'm going to take a shower and then sleep,here is going to be 3 am 09.52.11 Quit mexicankiller ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518]") 09.53.06 Quit qweru ("KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'") 09.56.26 # * pondlife laughs at the continued use of the "Rockbox Logo" thread. 09.59.09 # Blimey, the fora are slow today.. 09.59.55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.00.45 Join chrisjs169_ [0] (n=chrisjs@pool-71-254-214-208.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) 10.00.56 Part toffe82 10.01.06 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.dsl.t-2.net) 10.01.39 # they always are at this time 10.12.55 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 10.14.00 # * amiconn is still #3 rockbox committer... 10.14.07 # show off 10.14.11 # :) 10.14.21 # * linuxstb still has the most lines ;) 10.14.28 # * linuxstb hugs libFLAC 10.14.49 Quit chrisjs169__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.14.54 # hehe 10.15.12 # Does it count twice - once when I added it, and once when I removed it? 10.15.24 # quite possibly 10.19.21 # * amiconn has to say that he still doesn't get the purpose of ohloh 10.19.33 # I mean, it's nice statistics, but apart from that?? 10.19.51 # why would it need to be a lot more than that? 10.20.12 # I like seeing what people are up to, connections between developers etc 10.20.20 # agreed, it's just nice to have 10.21.44 # I get the feeling the ohloh spidering is either not working anymore or a bit overloaded... no more updates since 6/8 10.21.47 # But then you don't need to register at all. If the project is registered, you'll appear. 10.22.09 # amiconn: yes, but it can't know who you are and if you're the same as in other projects etc 10.22.29 # petur: yeah, and some projects haven't been updated in far longer time than so 10.22.43 # * petur gave amiconn kudos regardless ;) 10.22.52 # Yeah, I saw 10.23.05 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 10.23.11 # * amiconn thinks this kudos thing doesn't really tell much 10.23.34 # is it supposed to? 10.23.41 # haha, you're thinking too much 10.23.52 # its fun, end of story 10.23.55 # i have a 1...does that mean i am horrid? =) 10.24.13 # yes... 10.24.28 # i didnt ask your opinion! =P 10.24.34 # :) 10.24.53 # Woohoo I'm beating someone :D 10.25.09 Join makeshift [0] (n=makeshif@69.177.41.36) 10.25.26 # * scorche removes the salt from his wound 10.25.54 # The silver wreath looks nicer than the 2-7 one IMO 10.26.20 # you mean grey? 10.26.32 # Take your pick :P 10.26.48 # silver is 8...or 9... 10.27.28 # details... 10.27.33 # how far along has development come on the 4G greyscale iPod? is there a likelihood of turning it into a shiny paperweight, or are things working now? 10.28.00 # makeshift: the paperweight risk is next to zero 10.28.43 # at least, we have never had a paperweight happen due to rockbox 10.29.20 # You cannot brick an ipod by installing rockbox 10.29.48 # why? Maybe I did. but I don't know if it was rockbox. I think the hard drive just broke. 10.29.57 # the only known way to brick an ipod as far as I'm aware, is a hard reset whilst it's doing an APPLE firmware upgrade 10.30.13 # or dropping it out of a 4th floor window 10.30.22 # Worst thing that might happen is that refuses to boot, but it's always restorable, unless there's a hardware error that just appears while installing rockbox 10.31.08 # or a failed install and one of the buttons needed for resetting it being broken? :) 10.31.33 # That would be a hardware error... 10.31.40 # ah, well that's reassuring. 10.32.32 # * petur was just kidding... 10.33.10 # I meant all the above replies are reassuring. heh. 10.33.41 # GodEater: dropping it from other floors would be ok? :P 10.34.00 # pixelma: of course 10.34.02 # :) 10.34.13 # * B4gder goes to verify 10.34.54 # Like a cat - there is a certain height from which they fall and do not land without injury, but higher or lower and they're fine. 10.34.56 # * petur remembers this guy thinking rockbox broke his ipod and tossing it out of the window, only to get told later he could reset it... 10.35.10 # hahah 10.35.45 # my dad seems to think i broke his ajbr by disassembling and reassembling it.. 10.35.52 # I remember the description a long time ago from a guy who forgot his archos on the roof of his car when he took off... 10.36.07 # the rubber feet made it sit there fine at quite some speed 10.36.14 # i think i remember that 10.36.24 # those things are tanks =) 10.36.39 # yeah, but when he hit the breaks it flew off 10.37.25 # that's gotta be doubly painful: not just forgetting it there, but actually seeing it fly off to its' destruction 10.37.27 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@86.72.189.135) 10.37.38 Quit vmx_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.37.44 # normally I'm not afraid to try beta software, but when its more integrated into hardware and involes flashing and such, I try and read up as much as possible. 10.38.04 # "hey what's that flying?" [moment of silence] "oh..." 10.38.07 # Rockbox installation on ipods doesn't involve flashing 10.38.11 Join vmx_ [0] (n=vmx@p549BC09E.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.38.11 # the ipod process....bah 10.38.29 # ...I've clearly not read enough, then. 10.39.01 # which is partly why it is so safe 10.39.26 # s/partly/mostly 10.39.54 # s/mostly// 10.40.09 # * GodEater agrees with linuxstb 10.41.23 # well, there could be things to do that would be malicious 10.41.45 # which is why i said partly...i thought about that =) 10.41.48 Join datasleep [0] (n=datachil@217-208-144-87-no75.tbcn.telia.com) 10.42.16 Quit datachild (Nick collision from services.) 10.46.01 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@p54BCF39B.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.48.20 # * GodEater is getting annoyed with the number of recent ipod posts where users have run their batteries down and then claim their ipod is "dead" 10.49.38 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 10.50.34 Quit barrywardell () 10.52.48 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.183.122) 10.53.03 # JdGordon: are you here? 10.53.33 Join tedrock [0] (n=tedrock@d235-159-230.home1.cgocable.net) 10.58.46 # Stupid Cygwin question... Having set up a build environment, I have the m86k compilers etc. installed, but not in $PATH. How do I *permanentely* add them to the path? 10.59.24 # pondlife: add them to ~/.bash_profile 10.59.33 # Thanks 10.59.43 Quit makeshift (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Leading Edge IRC") 10.59.59 # or in /etc/profile.d to make it globally for all users 11.01.04 # I didn't have to do that on my previous install...I'm 99% suer. 11.01.07 # sure, even. 11.01.30 # I prefer to install the cross compiler to /usr/local -- that's already in my path 11.01.47 # * pondlife just follows the wiki. 11.02.35 # Pondlife: all the info is in the easy guide to setting up cygwin. It is in the developers section. 11.02.54 # That's the one I followed. 11.03.19 # there are various ways to achieve that on linux ... 11.03.19 # It worked fine on my Win2K PC, but on my XP one it seems not to have set up these paths. 11.03.42 Join chrisjs169__ [0] (n=chrisjs@pool-71-254-214-208.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) 11.04.09 Quit Rick (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.04.34 # pondlife: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment 11.04.53 Quit barrywardell () 11.04.58 # Pondlife: see step 4 "Step 4: Add the cross-compiler directory to your path " 11.05.05 Join Rick [0] (i=rick@pool-96-229-91-46.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 11.05.36 # ddalton: I did that.. 11.05.48 Join SliMM [0] (n=stefan@89.137.226.12) 11.05.50 # I'll check for typos... 11.05.54 # pondlife did it work? 11.06.13 # hello 11.06.43 # rbutil for ubuntu feisty isn't working 11.07.06 # even after i installed libwxbase 11.07.40 # scorche: around? 11.07.47 # * scorche waves 11.07.58 # nice. How's the theme site going? 11.08.29 # i havent had a chance to look at it in the last couple days...been busy looking for a new job 11.09.06 # SliMM: "isn't working" is a rather vague description 11.10.06 # ah, ok. I have integration of rbutil working now but it requires the changed php script 11.10.29 # ah...alright 11.10.32 # good =) 11.10.47 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.183.122) 11.10.50 # B4gder: wel, it isn't being installed :) 11.11.10 # it being rbutil? 11.11.13 # it says that libwxbase is needed for instalation 11.11.25 # when you do what? 11.11.31 # well*, and yes, it being rbutil 11.11.32 # SliMM: I bet you're using an old version of wxbase 11.11.36 # My mind reader is on vacation 11.11.39 # B4gder: a bit ironic: http://www.ohloh.net/forums/8/topics/453#posts-1886 11.11.43 # It needs to be 2.8 or higher 11.11.50 # aliask, no, the latest\ 11.12.12 # well actually 2.8, i don't know which is the latest 11.12.20 # markun: yeah, but hardly a surprise since they imagine some kind of busniess around the site/concept 11.13.21 # scorche: are you able to put the new script to the themes site? 11.13.33 # Then users could test the themes installation in rbutilqt 11.13.35 # of course 11.13.49 # great :) http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/themes/rbutilqt.php.txt 11.14.01 # I changed the name slightly ;-) 11.14.08 # of course =) 11.15.05 Quit barrywardell (Client Quit) 11.15.47 # it is up 11.16.11 # although i dont have time really to integrate it atm, if that is needed 11.16.36 # then again, i can make small changes quickly =) 11.16.58 # well, I'll try against current rbutilqt 11.17.05 Quit chrisjs169_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.17.18 # copy.rockbox-themes.org/rbutilqt.php 11.17.58 # thanks 11.18.16 # hopefully it works out of the box ... 11.25.04 # /msg aliask so how would you use them? 11.25.40 # damn, segfauls again :'-( 11.31.08 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=d556da1b@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 11.32.07 Quit atsea- (Remote closed the connection) 11.32.32 Quit tedrock (Client Quit) 11.36.40 Quit advcomp2019 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.45.57 # oh...btw, horrible picture of me (i hadnt slept for 3 days and was likely in some form of intoxication), but rockbox has its presence in the winners circle of the toughest contest at defcon: http://www.flickr.com/photos/vissago/1114893382/in/photostream/ 11.46.05 # =) 11.47.06 # well, one of the toughest...CTF is rough as well 11.47.10 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barry@wardell.ucd.ie) 11.48.17 # markun: I like how he just ran off after the question "how do you plan to make money from this?" 11.48.40 Quit DMJC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 11.48.47 Join DMJC [0] (n=DMJC@219-90-185-34.ip.adam.com.au) 11.48.50 # * GodEater feels like he missed something 11.49.06 # 30 minutes ago... 11.55.00 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.55.28 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF6D7E.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.59.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.03.17 Quit PaulJam (".") 12.07.43 # GodEater: about the software behind ohloh not being open source 12.08.08 # today is delay day! 12.11.54 Join datachild [0] (n=datachil@217-208-144-87-no75.tbcn.telia.com) 12.12.06 Join kubiixaka [0] (n=Miranda@ip-89-103-17-41.karneval.cz) 12.12.12 # scorche: what contest was that? 12.12.31 # LosT box 12.13.35 # required advanced crypto, electronics, physical security, well...i shall link you to the thing he will post about it summing it up =) 12.14.21 # when he gathers it all up, that is...it would take me over an hour to explain all of it person to person =) 12.14.43 # petur: how is austriancoder progressing with the USB stuff? 12.14.59 # less than expected 12.15.30 # did he get sending working? 12.15.43 # nope 12.16.07 # we need some hackers with the right hardware to help out I fear 12.17.28 # Bit like the Nano issue, then... 12.17.50 # is FS#6494 of any use? 12.18.18 # it's just debug info, but maybe it would help 12.19.22 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@e180232152.adsl.alicedsl.de) 12.19.27 # also, is there a recent patch I could try? 12.19.37 # scorche: this? http://www.thaumatocracy.com/news/defcon-15-lost-box-contest-crypto/ 12.20.07 # simply the first phase, but yes =) 12.20.13 # ok 12.20.50 # and they are missing a few things... 12.21.17 # it was damn fun though 12.21.23 # it sounds fun 12.22.09 # http://mysterychallenge.org/ was the sit 12.22.10 # e 12.22.13 # yeah, looks like great fun 12.22.18 Quit datasleep (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.26.00 # to sum it up, you had to crack the crypto (which took around 8 hours, although i had it together at 25 min in, yet we rejected my ideas), then you got a new box, pick a lock that was very hard to even get to the keyway, get a clue, screw with electronics, pick/dremel 2 more locks, interpret a coded schematic, solder, find a certain light that would interact with the photocell, do advanced fibbonacci (after you figured out to use that), then y 12.26.28 # i am dropping large parts of course... 12.27.04 # this sounds awesome 12.27.10 # it was =) 12.27.24 # must have been a bit of effort to set up 12.27.42 # i very much doubt any single person could have done it, except for LosT who set it up himself... 12.27.51 # must be hard to setup to get the perfect complexity level 12.28.04 # yeah...i cant wait for next year =) 12.28.50 Join pandrew [0] (n=andrew@86.122.170.29) 12.29.04 # http://www.flickr.com/photos/vissago/1114005307/ 12.29.10 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 12.30.29 # that would be the second box...they weighed around 30 pounds total and you had to (or at least thought you had to till you solved it and realized it wasnt a big deal) keep it straight up and down 12.30.54 Quit kubiix (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.34.32 # better pictures here: http://gallery.zzq.org/v/kampf/PAG/ConPhotos/BH_DC/BHDC15/DCXV/?g2_page=5 12.34.53 # although, i would wait for when LosT puts together his page, as his will be complete 12.35.17 # barrywardell: thanks for that FS#, didn't know it. austrianscoder test is this: http://www.christian-gmeiner.info/soc/old/mrh_try7.diff 12.35.36 # * petur walks away for lunch 12.40.18 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host13-210-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 12.41.22 Join tedrock [0] (n=tedrock@d235-159-230.home1.cgocable.net) 12.42.47 Quit tedrock (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.44.01 Quit SliMM ("Leaving.") 12.44.16 # petur: Is any of austriancoder's work commitable? (even if it's not enabled in normal builds) 12.44.17 # thanks petur. I'll look at that patch 12.52.54 # I've tried to arrange a rendez vous on the secret park bench, trench coats on and a secret drop-the-package place with our secret friend to see if he can/wants to help with this 12.54.30 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 12.54.30 # yay 12.54.36 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 12.55.11 # haha 12.55.38 # B4gder: sweeten the deal... make sure he gets a tshirt! 12.55.55 # its hard to get him one since he has no address 12.56.12 # also, he could never wear it 12.56.25 # I've already tried to give him a player 12.56.31 # ie target 13.00.32 # Which target? Doesn't he already have a sansa? 13.00.45 # yeah, he bought one himself instead 13.01.15 # Ah 13.01.27 # buy the man an R so he can really be usefull.... 13.01.36 # he did almost all his work without having a target 13.01.44 # how? 13.01.52 # he speaks asm? 13.01.53 # reading disassembly 13.02.13 # apparently he's quite skilled at it 13.02.18 # apparently! 13.02.53 # he got a target to be able to verify his findings about how to get stuff to run on it and how to talk in manufacture mode etc 13.02.57 # who's the guy porting to a sansa c2xx, btw? 13.03.02 # low_light 13.03.11 # really 13.03.16 # mrobe wasn't enough for me 13.03.19 # for him 13.03.33 # (how did that get "me" ?) 13.04.04 # but there was a guy around ages ago who did some initial c200 tests 13.04.15 # which is how we know the e200tool etc works on it 13.05.01 # imho, we really should get some of low_light's new port work in svn soon 13.05.15 # indeed 13.07.02 Quit perrikwp (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.11.34 # Where's his c200 work? 13.12.36 # on his computer ;-) 13.12.57 # he got the bootloader to start, displaying text on the lcd 13.12.57 # Has he found the framebuffer? 13.13.03 # Oh, sweet 13.27.02 Join spiorf_ [0] (n=spiorf@host183-214-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 13.38.55 Quit ddalton ("I was using BOFHNet IRC version 1.2 by fmillion - get your copy today from http://www.the-bofh.com/bofhnet/irc !") 13.39.36 Quit pandrew (Remote closed the connection) 13.42.16 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A55E8.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.43.23 Quit spiorf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.47.58 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 13.52.11 # B4gder: For building daily voice files under Windows, would I need to re-run configure each time? I assume so :( 13.52.29 # that's what I do, just to be safe 13.52.40 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54967BD2.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.52.48 # Do you just have a text file with the input in for each target? 13.53.04 # The Archos RAM size question caught me out... 13.53.07 # http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/www/tools/buildall-voices.pl?view=markup 13.53.08 Join elinenbe [0] (n=elinenbe@user-12hdtp2.cable.mindspring.com) 13.53.18 # well, the strings are collected in the "make voice" step, so it shouldn't be necessary unless the configure script changes 13.53.36 # right, but an automated script never really know when configure changes... 13.53.58 # Then it's clearly not complicated enough 13.54.08 # lol 13.54.13 # :-) 13.54.24 # At least you can keep the pool 13.54.39 # we stopped keeping the pool 13.54.48 # since otherwise it won't adapt to tool updates properly 13.55.30 # so we start all daily builds with removing the pool 13.55.33 # True enough. It's not like it takes that long anyway 13.56.27 # one fix would be to not use the target compiler when preprocessing the features list 13.56.45 # I take it I can re-use the MP3 clips across targets, i.e. not clean them up between targets.. 13.56.56 # pondlife: correct 13.57.04 # Good, that will help a lot. 13.57.26 # Building the additional targets are practically free once the first one's built 13.57.51 # bluebrother: some how downloading with rbutil doesnt work anymore for me.. i always get a 403 error.. will try it again with a clean svn rbutil 13.57.53 # B4gder: that's pretty silly, really 13.58.01 # yeps 13.58.54 # I think I'll fix it right away 14.00.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.01.01 # bah, nls isnt around 14.04.25 Join rogelio [0] (n=rogelio@189.146.222.125) 14.06.15 # Hmm, buildall-voices deletes the build directory with the mp3 clips in after each target.. I assume the SAPI5 voice building should be using a tmp directory for them..? 14.06.28 # Otherwise, no pooling! 14.06.42 Part rogelio ("Kopete 0.12.4 : http://kopete.kde.org") 14.06.50 # that script sets POOL to point to a separate pool directory 14.06.56 # You set an environment variable POOL to some dir outside the build directory 14.07.28 # Maybe the SAPI script needs to use $POOL somewhere? 14.07.43 # That should be handled by genvoice entirely 14.08.04 # unless you do something nasty in the sapi scripts 14.08.59 # I probably do... 14.09.26 # Under Cygwin they deliberatly put the MP3 clips into the build dir. 14.09.30 # Should be using the pool dir 14.09.48 # They should put them where genvoice tells them to 14.11.00 # Yup 14.11.20 # I'm ending up with 5K .voice files too - probably the same issue. 14.11.38 # Are the sapi scripts encoding the files? 14.11.48 # Encoding? 14.12.08 # No, the LAME stuff is unchanged 14.12.19 # Although the paths are different for Cygwin 14.12.22 # Then the mp3 files *should* end up in POOL 14.12.31 Quit petur (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.12.46 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 14.12.53 # as far as I can tell 14.13.37 # I maybe broke it in http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/tools/configure?r1=14251&r2=14252 14.13.59 # Previously it used TEMPDIR="${pwd}" 14.14.10 # Which might have been POOL? 14.14.13 # re: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7603 , should I make the settings code forcfully translate "off" instead of just displaying the string? 14.14.35 # pondlife: no. I think that's fine 14.14.53 # POOL is not set in any of the standard scripts. 14.14.53 # Hmm, no other path changes AFAIK 14.14.56 Quit DMJC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.15.02 # * rasher digs out cygwin 14.16.14 # * pondlife digs out lunch 14.16.30 # * B4gder just digs 14.16.43 # Guess I need a target compiler, then. As long as B4gder hasn't changed that 14.16.54 # I just fixed it 14.17.10 # uses hostcc now 14.17.11 # Neat 14.18.46 # I think the problem might be the use of soft-links rather than copies. I imagine it might not work on windows 14.19.08 # ouch, right 14.19.38 # Domonoky: strange ... it worked fine for me 14.20.18 # In fact, I'm quite sure that's the case 14.21.13 # bluebrother:i have strange problems with the HttpGetter.. on some downloads it stops now with error 403, and others like the one which installs the doom files downloads, but never finishes.. 14.22.03 # B4gder: is it worth it to make a special-case and use cp instead of ln. Or could we just use cp in all cases? I know it's wasteful, but is it significant? (I doubt it takes many milliseconds to copy a 5-10kb file 14.22.37 # I'd say use cp only 14.22.53 Join p3tur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 14.23.29 Quit petur (Nick collision from services.) 14.23.37 Nick p3tur is now known as petur (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 14.24.12 # hmm, something is weird -- now I'm getting similar issues. It worked fine yesterday before I committed :( 14.24.49 # Gosh, building in cygwin/with sapi is slow 14.25.31 # here's something interesting: http://cpan.uwinnipeg.ca/htdocs/Win32-SAPI5/Win32/SAPI5.pm.html 14.25.33 Join pandrew [0] (n=andrew@86.122.171.107) 14.26.16 # hey guys! where should i put linux.bin for the rockbox bootloader if i want to have ipodlinux too? 14.26.20 # ahd this: http://search.cpan.org/~jouke/Win32-SAPI4-0.08/lib/Win32/SAPI4.pm 14.26.23 # we do have the problem that a new process is started for each clip 14.26.33 # But I guess a simple "clip-generation" server could be written 14.26.39 # pandrew: in the root of the fat partition 14.26.44 # rasher: see the links i posted 14.27.10 # LinusN: yeah, but the "one process per clip" is because of how genvoice works 14.27.30 # Somewhat, at least 14.27.31 # yes, but it couls be rewritten in perl :-) 14.27.50 # Ah, like that 14.27.52 # bluebrother: and is there anything else i need to put there? i already have a primary partition (3), at the end of the harddisk where i copyed the userland and the lib folder. when i start with linux, the ipod freezes with the apple logo on it.... 14.28.46 # nothing that I'm aware of 14.29.04 Join babau [0] (n=babau@c211-30-180-173.artrmn2.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 14.30.08 # bluebrother: by the way i have an ipod video 5g, are there any known issues about that? i couldn't install ipl either. it could start, but ipl couldn't load the official apple os. i stopped there... 14.30.37 # pandrew: we don't deal with ipl here, go #ipodlinux for that 14.30.58 # rockbox should work fine on the 5g 14.31.24 # B4gder: i wan not asking about ipl, i just said that it didn't work.... 14.31.45 # and how has that anything to do with rockbox then? 14.32.05 # B4gder: i can't find a reason why the _rockbox bootloader_ can't load linux 14.32.39 # neither can I 14.32.45 # Hi guys, I'm having an issue whereby I can't alter the permissions or ownership of any folders on my iPod when mounted under rockbox firmware. I'm using a 1st gen iPod nano and Ubuntu Linux. "sudo chown" just returns "Operation not permitted." Any ideas? 14.32.47 # I guess it isn't very frequently used 14.32.55 # (to load linux) 14.34.07 # babau: There is no such thing as permissions or ownership in fat32. I suspect your disk might be mounted read-only. This is really not rockbox related. 14.34.42 # Right, cheers. I wasn't sure whether it was a rockbox or "other" issue. Cheers for the pointer. 14.35.15 Join elinenbe_ [0] (n=elinenbe@user-12hdtp2.cable.mindspring.com) 14.35.56 # Hrm, actually I got a working voice with cygwin/sapi5, even with linking rather than copying 14.36.28 # pondlife: not quite sure what your issue is then 14.42.03 # can someone try out a patch for me please? I'm tryying to make some more string translated, but cant use the menu if its not english.... 14.42.45 # http://www.jdgordon.info/jonno/settings.diff 14.42.50 # hopefully that works... 14.43.00 # check if off is translated in the peakmeter settings please? 14.43.31 # http://jdgordon.info:8080/jonno/settings.diff 14.43.31 Quit petur (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.43.32 Join p3tur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 14.44.39 Join saratoga [0] (i=98039a34@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a96c6603cbcbfd70) 14.45.40 Nick p3tur is now known as petur (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 14.46.17 # bah... wireless outside my home isn't that reliable :/ 14.51.27 # someoen please test that patch so I can goto bed? 14.51.45 # oh...bed...thanks for reminding me =) 14.54.06 Quit vmx_ ("Have fun!") 14.56.11 # JdGordon: still want that tested? 14.56.15 # please 14.56.27 # I get a page not found 14.56.32 # the 2nd link? 14.56.49 # yes 14.56.58 # http://www.jdgordon.info/jonno/settings.diff 14.57.16 # "Welcome to lame-delegation-domain.com" 14.57.22 # bluebrother: is there a way i can send some arguments to the linux kernel? it won't find my root partition! 14.57.22 # http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/settings.diff 14.57.34 # bluebrother: i found a (at least partial) fix for the httpgetter problem.. you use http.get(QString(url.toEncoded())); with http.get(url.path()..) it works.. :-) 14.57.35 # better 14.58.11 # or anyone else knows a way to pass parameters to a linux kernel in the rockbox bootloader? 14.58.12 # babau: Linux will normally make a drive read-only if it detects filesystem errors. Try unmounting it and running fsck 14.59.13 # pandrew: It can't be done (unless someone implements it). But you shouldn't need to tell it the root fs - assuming you've created the partition it's looking for. 15.00.07 # bluebrother: this fix, fixes my problems with the 403 error, but the problem that the downloading doesnt finish (e.g doom file downloading) still persist.. 15.00.35 # hmm. Using path() also will ignore any arguments (which are needed by the themes php script) 15.00.48 # linuxstb_: it's on the 3-rd primary position in the partition table, it is an ext2 partiton. it is of type 83 (Linux), and it is on the enf of the harddisk (cylinder-wise) 15.01.20 # linuxstb_: i hope it's not looking for something different then this... 15.01.48 # pandrew: That would be a question for IPL people, not us. All the RB bootloader does is load the kernel and run it... 15.02.13 # JdGordon: tried in the sim and got a crash 15.02.24 # pandrew: So I assume it's working fine with loader2? 15.02.25 # yeah, dunno why, try it again please 15.03.01 # linuxstb_: no. i actually never tryed linux with loder2 because loader2 couldn't load the original os in the first place, so i skipped it.... 15.04.02 # bluebrother: perhaps use url.path() + url.fragment() ? 15.04.15 # JdGordon: peak hold looks ok, but peak release always crashes 15.04.23 # will try on target too 15.04.47 # linuxstb_: well, i'll go ahead and try it, just to know if it works or not... 15.04.52 # Domonoky: as far as I understood the documentation fragment is not the correct part -- it's supposed to start with a # 15.05.34 # i.e. the anchor in the document 15.05.44 # petur: i tihnk it may be a buffer overflow, but unrealted... ill fix that now 15.05.52 # be release translates correctly? 15.05.59 # bluebrother: you are right.. hmm. 15.06.42 # and I don't see why toEncoded() should cause problems. At least from reading the documentation 15.07.09 # this is really annoying. Themes installation was about to work and now it seems to break even more. 15.07.25 Join roolku [0] (n=roolku@82-41-2-141.cable.ubr01.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 15.07.49 # peak hold is ok 15.08.15 # JdGordon: peak release on target gives a way too long list of values (no crash) 15.08.55 # ok, thanks 15.09.03 # I wonder when this started? 15.09.06 Quit elinenbe_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.09.08 # * JdGordon never uses these settings 15.10.02 # petur: instead of copying the backlight code to every plugin wouldn't it be better to do it centrally as in : http://roolku.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/plugin-backlight.patch ? 15.10.54 # you mean for every plugin? 15.10.55 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007073113]") 15.11.50 # roolku: I don't think every plugin needs a permanent backlight. 15.12.39 # Far from it, I'd say 15.12.43 # linuxstb: okay, fair enough 15.13.32 # * roolku is struggling to find an example plugin that doesn't 15.13.44 # maybe the TSR plugins? 15.13.53 # * petur hands roolku wavview 15.14.03 # petur: that bug is definatly unrelated :) so im going to commit and fix that tomorow hopefully 15.14.10 # ok 15.14.16 # well, if it displays something on the screen I would like to see it 15.14.20 # linuxstb_: no, the same happens with loader2 15.14.43 # * roolku looks at wavview 15.15.00 # roolku: Basically any plugin that doesn't require your attention non-stop. 15.15.02 # bluebrother: other working fix for the 403 error problem: strip the url.host and "http://" from the encoded url.. then it also works :-) 15.15.04 # roolku: wavview takes quite some time to load and process the file (if it is a large one) and doesn need backlight then 15.16.41 # rasher: I suppose it depends on how you use it, but I don't usually run plugins and then not look at them 15.17.05 # petur: okay, does it turn the backlight on when it is done.... 15.17.15 # * roolku hasn't got a wav file handy 15.17.26 # roolku: Also, not all targets need the backlight on - they're perfectly readable without it. 15.18.02 # linuxstb: good point, but the same would apply to petur's commit>? 15.18.21 # Domonoky: can you tell what file it tries to download when you get the 403? 15.18.37 # roolku: I often run sudoku and put it away for a bit when I get frustrated with it or if I get interrupted 15.19.07 # I tried outputting the url and it looks fine here. 15.19.31 # roolku: But I agree that it would be good to find a nice solution to the backlight-in-plugins issue. I just don't think it's obvious... 15.19.33 # rasher: that is what I mean with how you use it. I would save and resume later. I find it more annoying if I am finding a solution and the screen gets dark 15.19.34 # (or easy) 15.19.39 Join elinenbe_ [0] (n=elinenbe@209.196.192.8) 15.19.59 # rasher: ..because i haven't pressed a key in a while 15.20.03 # bluebrother: yes the url looks fine, but the difference between the uril and url.path is not only the queryitems.. path is also relativ to the host.. 15.20.31 Quit elinenbe_ (Client Quit) 15.20.51 # so the url is something like: http://download.rockbox.org/bla/bal.zip and the path is only /bla/bla.zip 15.21.12 # linuxstb: a manual override perhaps, but we don't have enough buttons for that one. 15.22.21 # * bluebrother found another possible segfault 15.22.33 # I'm wondering why it didn't segfault yesterday. 15.22.39 Quit petur (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.24.12 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 15.24.32 Quit babau ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12") 15.24.53 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 15.24.55 # I shouldn't debug output invalid data especially if I'm calling methods on that object ... 15.25.30 # bluebrother: :-) true.. 15.26.41 # bluebrother: if i remove the http.close call at the end of the getfile function.. the doom download finished successfull.. it seams the close request is to early in the queue.. 15.28.12 Quit petur ("real life calling - bbl") 15.28.26 Quit roolku () 15.28.27 # Domonoky: I just committed a fix. At least I hope it fixes it ;-) 15.28.42 # but trying on my virtual windows box looked fine. 15.33.43 # bluebrother: fo that didnt fix those problems 15.33.49 # for me 15.33.52 # :( 15.34.11 # is there something special with your network setup? 15.34.50 # no, pretty normal.. i am connected to the inet via a route.. 15.34.57 # router 15.35.17 # hmm 15.35.18 # but my fix works.. :-) 15.35.22 # * bluebrother scratches head 15.38.17 Quit pandrew (Remote closed the connection) 15.39.23 # bluebrother: should i commit my fix, and you try if it works for you and for the themes ? 15.40.53 # hmm. Have you tried url.toString() instead of url.toEncoded? 15.41.06 # doesn't the http class have a verbose mode or something that displays what it does or attempts to do? 15.42.10 # strictly speaking we don't need to convert the url to encoded -- we don't have anything that needs to get encoded 15.42.26 # bluebrother: i tried it now.. but doesnt work.. error "wrong content lenght" 15.42.43 # urgh? 15.42.51 # this is getting really strange ... 15.43.14 # bluebrother: it only works for me, if i strip the host and the "http://" so it looks like what you get from url.path() 15.44.21 Join nerochiaro [0] (n=nerochia@adsl203-164-174.mclink.it) 15.47.28 # * bluebrother got an idea 15.47.51 # how about removing the line http.setHost()? Does this make a difference? 15.48.58 # hmpf. Now I get a "No server to connect to". 15.49.00 # other error message: "No server set to connect to, Please check.. " 15.49.04 # :-) 15.49.11 # weird. 15.49.37 # ok, then let's strip the first part of the url 15.50.37 # jep.. and we have to move/ remove the http.close() call at the end of getFile().. 15.51.15 # * B4gder coughs and accidentally mentions libcurl... :-) 15.51.37 # hmm -- why do we need to remove that? 15.51.51 Quit GodEater (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.51.57 # * Domonoky invites Bagder to use libCurl in rbutil :-) 15.52.26 # the downside is a slightly larger bin file of course 15.52.51 # And another build-dep 15.52.59 # yeps 15.53.08 # I'm not seriously suggesting it 15.53.09 # bluebrother: if i have the call there, the downloading of the doomfile stops at 100% and never emits the done signal. ( the debug messages tells me, that it closes the connection to early.. 15.53.14 # Speaking of, maybe I should have a go at Debian packaging for rbutilqt 15.53.38 # Should be easier, now that it builds without external deps 15.53.48 # indeed 15.53.51 # (compared to the wx version, that is) 15.54.22 # I remember seeing someone talking about packaging it.. now where was it 15.54.26 # yes, qt packages are hopefully aviable for all distros :-) 15.54.54 # * bluebrother will do a fedora rpm eventually 15.55.25 # Ah yes, http://mako.cc/copyrighteous/20070308-00.comment 15.56.17 # I believe he's both debian and ubuntu developer 15.56.26 # interesting: "... which is a C/wxwidgets program" <-- never knew it's c ;-) 15.56.51 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.00.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.00.38 # Interesting quote there: "I think I'll wait for the iRony installer to become more mature before attemting to use it. I am not knowledgeble in both Python and RockBox but am very interested in free-ing up my iPod." 16.00.46 # Maybe he could just read the manual 16.01.13 # ... "and I can't be bother to read anything" (fills in the missing piece) 16.01.31 # * B4gder can't type properly though 16.04.12 # * bluebrother wonders if he's missing a QUrl::queryString() 16.04.52 # saratoga: i've put online the stand alone decoder program i was talking about yesterday, if you're still interested 16.05.14 # Can the iPod's original firmware act as USB host? 16.06.41 # no 16.07.29 # hum ... weird. The firmware mentions the "DCIM/" string several times. Isn't that where they store pictures on cameras? 16.09.13 # It is (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DCIM) 16.09.41 # Maybe they use something like it for storing photos on the ipod? 16.09.55 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 16.10.30 # yeah ... i guess so. 16.13.12 Nick BobShiel1 is now known as BobShield (i=rshield@c-24-15-123-57.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 16.15.38 # Domonoky: another fix committed ... 16.15.48 # * bluebrother crosses fingers 16.18.25 Nick kclaf is now known as kclafk (i=kclaf@crj95-3-82-237-150-15.fbx.proxad.net) 16.18.42 # nerochiaro: yes i'm interested 16.18.45 # whats the link? 16.19.03 # saratoga: http://pastebin.ca/658264 links to libraries and the app 16.19.04 # bluebrother: normal downloading works.. :-) 16.19.51 # but i still need to remove the http.close(); to get the doomfile install working.. 16.21.27 # * Domonoky commited reworked bootloader installation.. :-) 16.21.44 # * pondlife spots rasher's commit from earlier... 16.23.00 # I still don't get why doom downloading doesn't finish 16.23.13 # I have something similar for the themes though ... 16.23.20 Join agm3nt [0] (i=gh@nat.n3t.pl) 16.23.52 # pondlife: it shouldn't matter, actually - voicefile built fine here, even before the commit 16.23.52 # bluebrother: is also dont know why, it uses the same code as font installing, and that is working.. but if i remove the http.close everthing is fine :-) 16.24.53 Part agm3nt 16.25.17 # bluebrother: somehow the qhttp object doesnt emit the done signal.. and if you look for the states, it is closing before it is finished with the second request.. 16.25.22 # rasher: I could build voice files correctly, but Bagder's perl script didn't work. 16.25.27 # saratoga: let me know if you see something wrong in that please 16.25.47 # pondlife: Then I think it's time to blame Bagder 16.25.47 # rasher: And no pooling took place for multiple build dirs. 16.25.51 # lol 16.26.00 Join sarixe [0] (n=sarixe@67.84.3.233) 16.26.04 # No, it's probably my use of his script... 16.26.15 # My voice-file built fine, using a POOL 16.26.25 # I never used a POOL before 16.27.34 # that script is exactly what ran on the server 16.27.34 Join cracks [0] (i=gex@201-26-114-170.dsl.telesp.net.br) 16.27.41 # ah 16.27.48 # lemme commit my latest 16.28.27 # now, get the updated one 16.28.33 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@38.98.196.75) 16.28.41 # the echo line for configure changed 16.29.09 # the one I commited now is exactly what runs on the server now daily 16.29.16 # rasher: The voice build scripts do call an init script and an exit script. It shouldn't be difficult to turn the init script into a sapi clip generation server, and make the exit script kill it 16.29.23 # Domonoky: hmm, the same helps for my themes issue. Maybe it's related to the time the server needs to respond? 16.29.37 # nerochiaro: am i supposed to use those diffs? 16.29.44 # Could be done either in perl or vbscript, but I'd prefer the latter because it has less dependencies 16.29.44 # I wanna ask some things bout scrobbler.log L field and Ketama, may i proceed? 16.29.59 # funnily that http.close() is copied from Qt's http example :o 16.30.12 # cracks: permission granted - go ahead :-) 16.30.16 # (doing it in perl requires Activestate perl afaik, while the scripting host is included on any modern windows) 16.30.18 # :) 16.30.21 # Thanks 16.30.25 # amiconn: that's what I was thinking 16.30.26 # * pondlife creates /home/dast/rockbox-voices/voice-pool.. 16.30.37 # dast ~ Bagder, right? 16.30.51 # yes 16.30.58 # DAniel STenberg 16.31.01 # B4gder: Where's the updated script? 16.31.05 # The 1st question is, the S in the log doesn´t work right!? 16.31.26 # pondlife: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/www/tools/buildall-voices.pl?view=markup 16.31.29 # Thanks 16.31.56 # saratoga: you need to checkout from SVN these directories i liked to get the sources 16.32.41 # 2nd qustion, why the scrobbler.log has L as field? 16.32.42 # saratoga: libasf and libwma are not meant to be built outside of the neuros env, so you probably need to tweak a bit the makefiles. should be pretty simple though 16.33.21 # saratoga: the decoder app itself is just a simple program that calls into both libraires, as you can see 16.35.18 Quit idnar (Nick collision from services.) 16.35.20 Join idnar_ [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 16.35.34 # Nope, still not doing something right. 16.36.05 Quit B4gder ("It is time to say MOOO") 16.36.36 # lnnn 16.37.37 # 3rd Do scrobbling has any effect on stations without the ban love or skip? 16.38.29 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.41.37 # cracks: you mean S == Skipped and L == Listened? 16.45.19 Join {Francesco} [0] (n=francesc@d83-184-236-211.cust.tele2.it) 16.45.33 # rasher: I'm getting an error for each voice clip: "cp: cannot stat `/home/dast/rockbox-voices/voice-pool/24f1388f0b3ea2ef1ea4dda24a 16.45.33 # 0a75ae-english.mp3': No such file or directory" 16.46.01 # <{Francesco}> Hi, can you help me with my winpod 5th gen? I have a very very big problem, please 16.47.13 # pondlife: then I suppose the encoding fails for some reason 16.47.19 # Domonoky: gotta run right now -- I'll try to get this sorted out tonight. 16.47.53 # rasher: Hmm, will debug further 16.49.02 # pondlife: the script overwrites PATH. That's probably the problem 16.49.18 # Urgh, bye bye LAME 16.49.51 # I can certainly do a "make voice" manually ok, using the config left behind by the script 16.50.15 Part LinusN 16.50.23 # Unless lame is in /usr/local/bin, that's your problem 16.52.24 Join Nirra [0] (i=nirra@84-255-254-26.static.dsl.t-2.net) 16.52.32 Part Nirra 16.53.46 Join tchan [0] (n=tchan@c-24-13-84-219.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 16.55.46 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 16.56.07 # The manual feature definitions seem to be wrong, e.g. the 1st/2nd gen manual includes the clock plugin 16.57.29 # Eeek, and the ipod installation chapter needs some attention... 16.57.37 # "USB connection"... 16.57.51 # amiconn: do you know if things they call Tasks in the iPod's OF are threads? 16.59.23 # rasher: Nope, wasn't (just) the path... still fails if I set $POOL. 16.59.46 # Seems to work ok if I don't set it though.. 17.00.21 # Permissions, perhaps - /home/dast/... isn't my home 17.01.11 # Nope... I can create files in there. 17.02.35 Part cracks 17.05.07 # lemmesee 17.06.08 # Ah no, path isn't overwritten anyway, it's .=, I just read it as = 17.07.47 Join elinenbe [0] (n=elinenbe@user-12hdtp2.cable.mindspring.com) 17.07.48 # .= is concat 17.08.01 # Yup, indeed. 17.08.44 # pondlife: I may have just hit an even weirder problem. I get "sh: ../tools/configure: No such file or directory" 17.09.00 # Although it clearly exists 17.10.31 # ah no, configure cd's all over the place 17.10.51 Quit {Francesco} (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.11.06 # I shall run without a pool for now. 17.11.27 # Sadly, short of time to fix it. 17.11.57 # I'm looking into it 17.13.30 Quit petur ("brb") 17.14.18 Quit barrywardell (Remote closed the connection) 17.14.27 # pondlife: wait, did you modify the script to use sapi rather than festival? 17.15.05 # Yes 17.15.27 # It works fine (if slowly) once I comment out the setting of $POOL 17.17.35 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 17.17.58 # dionoea: I don't know. Didn't even see that there is something called 'tasks'. My research is lower level than that... 17.18.31 # rasher: What actually copies clips to the pool? 17.18.40 # I only see copies out of it. 17.18.56 # pondlife: the encoding is done into the pool 17.19.01 # or should be, at least 17.19.23 # saratoga: i've got here a wma file that crashes the rockbox decoder (in the simulator) 17.19.27 # dionoea: it could simply be the todo/calendar thing that ipods have (they have that, don't they?) 17.19.31 # saratoga: i'll upload somewhere 17.19.36 # Nope, it's done into the build directory 17.20.07 # That's how I assumed it was meant to work when I added Cygwin/SAPI support.. 17.20.46 # But the sapi support doesn't touch encoding at all, does it? 17.20.57 # I'm talking about wav->mp3 encoding 17.21.06 # nerochiaro: thanks 17.21.08 # Ah, ok.. No that's unchanged 17.21.19 # did it crash for you using libasf? 17.21.35 # pondlife: and it works, I've build (manually) a voicefile using the pool 17.22.01 # What did you set POOL to? Bagder's default? 17.22.29 # no just a dir I made myself 17.22.37 # My god, cygwin really is dog-slow 17.23.03 # Slow as a dead dog 17.23.04 # I don't think the slowness you're seeing is due to SAPI as much as cygwin 17.23.19 # Yes, this is (too) well known. 17.23.25 # saratoga: here it is: http://www.divshare.com/download/1596378-ad2 17.24.24 Part Llorean 17.24.34 # amiconn, rasher: Well they have loads of strings defining stuff like USBDeviceTask, USBStatusTask, USBTaskTimeTask, MP3ExampleTask, VCUpdateTask which look a lot like thread names to use in case of a crash or something like that. 17.25.01 # dionoea: ah, yeah, that's certainly not the calendar 17.25.33 # ;) 17.26.11 # I still haven't found the "SerialRemoteTask" yet though :( 17.27.20 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 17.27.24 # Well, that's probably not a separate task 17.28.51 # All I found once was an exception handler, hooked to the division routine 17.28.55 # saratoga: http://www.divshare.com/download/1596408-2ae and this one spits out garbage in the simulator, although it doesn't crash it 17.30.05 # * pondlife reckons Cygwin will take about 3 hours to make the daily voices (for English only) without pooling.. 17.30.16 # Maybe a little less. 17.31.02 Quit tchan ("WeeChat 0.2.6-cvs") 17.31.10 # I also stumbled upon a "COP has crashed" routine :) Don't know if you can do anything but reboot the iPod once that's called :) 17.31.39 # nerochiaro: did you try these with your asf parser? 17.31.52 # i'm curious if it worked with them 17.34.03 # saratoga: they seem to work, except the one that spit out garbage, which does the same on my program too 17.34.38 # so i guess i can rule out our asf parser 17.34.44 # they play fine in ffmpeg too 17.34.53 # should be very interesting to debug 17.34.53 # pondlife: Uh? I would expect no more than half an hour with proper scripting - without a pool 17.35.14 Join alienbiker99 [0] (n=alienbik@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net) 17.35.55 # It took me less than a minute per voice with the old vbscript. That's on a laptop, with a 1st generation Pentium M 1.5GHz 17.35.55 # saratoga: let me know what you find out please. i've also got another that crash rockbox simulator. i'll test some more and upload them all to a single place 17.36.00 # amiconn: the problem is cygwin being dog-slow 17.36.17 # amiconn: This is a on a slow PC, running Cygwin and Bagder's perl script. Been running 50 mins now and about half the voice files made. 17.36.31 # Slow PC = Athlon64 3000+ 17.36.55 # That ain't slow 17.36.58 # I'm running that 17.37.02 # I guess genvoice needs to be rewritten in perl to get any kind of speed on windows 17.37.03 # Now a Pentium 2 366 17.37.05 # that's slow :) 17.37.13 # :) 17.37.54 # Or MakeVoices.vbs needs bringing back from the dead. 17.38.35 # I don't think having multiple ways of building voice is a terribly good idea 17.38.45 # This whole fiasco has shown that all too clearly 17.38.45 # No, I was kind-of joking 17.38.55 # pondlife: I think it's because of the way the current script works, not because of cygwin 17.39.21 # And perl would probably not be a good idea 17.39.25 # amiconn: no. it's terribly, terribly slow even if it doesn't have to generate the clips (re-using from pool) 17.39.58 # amiconn: why not? it's not like it's hard to tick off perl when you install cygwin 17.40.27 # Yeah, but the cygwin perl doesn't support the interface to use sapi object 17.40.29 # s 17.40.45 # That would require activestate perl, which doesn't come with windows, unlike vbscript 17.40.54 # It could just do what's being done now and launch a vbscript for each clip 17.41.07 # Yeah, and that is part of the problem 17.41.11 # Yep 17.41.11 # no 17.41.13 # We need a sapi server 17.41.20 # That's really not the issue. The issue is that running any kind of shell script is awfully slow on cygwin 17.41.36 # The onld way did everything in a single vbscript, keeping the sapi engine open 17.41.38 # Since it needs to launch many processes, which is very expensive on cygwin 17.41.52 # amiconn: but that's not where the main slowdown is, it's cygwin itself. 17.42.21 # Ah, you mean the master script should be converted from sh to perl. That might be an idea 17.42.28 # cygwin itself is *not* slow 17.42.36 # Well, launching new processes is 17.42.37 # It's the windows file api that's slow 17.43.21 # Man, just creating the list of langauges in configure takes a couple of seconds 17.44.22 # * petur has plenty of windows apps that use the windows api and that are *very* fast 17.44.48 # petur: But those probably don't open dozens of files for each process created 17.45.16 # what sane program does? 17.45.47 # Yeah, good question. That means *nix shells are insane... 17.46.33 # still, I've had many compilers on windows, only those running in cygwin are slow 17.47.03 # 17.47.05 Join ripjack [0] (i=7cc507f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e3ec5d2b7cdff079) 17.47.48 # * amiconn recommends running ntfilmon, then compiling in other dev environment first, and in cygwin afterwards, and then compare the amount of file operations... 17.48.16 Join ptw419 [0] (i=ptw419@66-90-157-228.dyn.grandenetworks.net) 17.48.30 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.49.45 # is it normal that the rockbox simulator crashes when i enter the system|version menu ? 17.53.37 Join GodEater [0] (n=bryan@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 17.55.24 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-024-162-254-070.nc.res.rr.com) 17.57.48 # Hi all. Is it possible to create a playlist of songs from different folders from within Rockbox (Gigabeat F) ? In the FAQ it only mentions playlists on the PC and I'm not exaclty sure I understand that either. Thanks 18.00.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.00.22 # ripjack: this is covered in the manual 18.03.06 Quit ripjack ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 18.07.31 # GodEater: look what you've done.. you scared him away 18.07.43 # That's GodEater's special skill. 18.07.55 # apart from arm-wrestling 18.08.00 # Natch 18.08.28 Join rotator [0] (n=e@rockbox/developer/rotator) 18.09.54 Join elinenbe [0] (n=elinenbe@user-12hdtp2.cable.mindspring.com) 18.21.56 Quit Arathis ("Verlassend") 18.25.07 Quit sarixe ("Peace") 18.28.27 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.28.34 Join elinenbe [0] (n=elinenbe@user-12hdtp2.cable.mindspring.com) 18.33.09 Quit pill (Nick collision from services.) 18.33.30 Join _pill [0] (i=pill@sloth.shellfx.net) 18.36.38 # * amiconn received this defective 1st gen 18.36.48 Join dnanar [0] (n=dnanar@mar06-1-88-167-174-249.fbx.proxad.net) 18.36.52 # hi all ! 18.36.52 # * amiconn hopes that he can make it work again 18.37.39 Join tchan [0] (n=tchan@c-24-13-84-219.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 18.37.58 # i'm looking for an US shop which sell new Cowon iAudio X 60GB or used Toshiba Gigabeat F60. Ebay seems to have nothing. Anyone knows one please ? 18.38.18 # Cowon iAudio X5* 18.40.56 # (US shop or, in fact, any shop which sell in all countries) 18.41.49 # dnanar: the chance of finding a F60 in a shop anywhere is very small I think 18.43.00 # arf =( 18.43.37 # so a cowon iAudio X5l (or a M5 but i think this is off topic) please ? :-) 18.44.26 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust132.brig.cable.ntl.com) 18.44.26 Join webguest83 [0] (i=50d81efc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9fee53017999a048) 18.44.39 # * Domonoky thinks the iaudio m´s are also very rare.. but its rockboxable :-) 18.44.50 Nick idnar_ is now known as idnar (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 18.44.55 Quit Rick (Connection timed out) 18.45.16 # austriancoder: contact me, I've used e200tool to dump the usb registers (0xc5000xxxx range) from my e250 18.45.34 # Domonoky: arf =(( 18.45.58 # so just a X5 60GB please ? i do not find _anything_ with google 18.47.06 # hm, x5 or x5l should be possible.. but i dont know for the us.. ( i found some german shops which have them aviable) 18.47.22 # ok 18.47.39 # could you give me german shop address anyway please ? =) 18.49.56 # Hmm, can I request that the front page is restricted to 3-4 news items, so the SVN table is higher up :) 18.50.12 # dnanar: i found this one, dont know if this shop is good.. http://www.mp3-player.de/index.php?page=article&ID=2120&aid=158 18.50.14 # My preference entirely, but the norm until recently. 18.50.58 # i.e. limit the distance between the sponsors and the SVN table 18.51.21 # dnanar: but it seems they only deliver in europe. 18.52.23 # ah ok 18.52.29 # Anywhere sell the Gigabeat F60 at all? 18.53.33 # Domonoky: but i'm wandering: can i use any 1.8" hardrive in the cowon ? is the hardrive difficult to replace ? 18.54.46 # and, just another question : the only difference between X5V/X5 is that X5V has not a radio ? 18.54.50 # dnanar: only if the drive has the right connector, and fits size wise.. 18.55.27 # dnanar: some info http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement 18.56.55 # markun & Domonoky: ok thanks 18.57.07 # and... is X5V supported by rockbox ? 18.57.13 # Looks like it's just the HDD, like I already suspected :) 18.58.08 # dnanar: yes, all x and m´s are rockboxable :-) 18.59.18 # dnanar: also amazon.com has some iaudios in the market place.. but i saw only 20 and 30 gig versions.. 19.00.04 # * pondlife 's PC finished building voice files - a tiny bit less than 2 hours in total :) 19.00.12 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.00.12 # ok thanks for the infos 19.00.36 # dnanar: correct about the X5V... and it is supported by rockbox (even though the "no radio" detection is broken at the moment) - about the HDs: the X5L models have a second battery pack which takes space so that they come with a single platter drive. Or you can have a dual platter one without the extra battery (that's the 60GB models) 19.01.05 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 19.01.10 # and... in the rockbox wiki page, X5V harddrive is not precised. is it the same as X5 ? 19.01.15 # pixelma: ahh ok thanks 19.01.31 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.02.00 # so, i could buy a Cowon iAudio X5V then a MK6006GAH to have 60GB, right ? 19.02.49 # * amiconn just booted rockbox on that 1st gen :D 19.03.08 # (with the disk from one of the 2nd gens swapped in) 19.03.26 # Wheel doesn't work yet, as expected 19.03.39 # (need to add the enable, already commented in the code) 19.03.57 # * alienbiker99 wants a cf card or working hd so i can make my 4gen ipod work 19.03.59 # should be - the X5s come in two different thick shells: the thinner one for the "normal" X5s with single platter HDs (20 or 30GBs) or a thicker shell which either is an X5L (say larger battery) also with a single platter one - or the 60GB dual platter models 19.04.38 # now the question is, is the x5v a version with bigger shell, or not ? :-) 19.05.31 # because the MK..GAH is dual plattern i think, so 8mm thick.. 19.05.39 # The X5V only comes with the thin shell afaik 19.06.04 # then dnanars plan doesnt work :-) 19.06.17 # (because it's the el cheapo version of the X5 - wouldn't make sense with an expensive harddrive) 19.06.18 # dnanar: so you probably won't fit an 60GB drive in the X5V model, Domonoky's question would have to be answered - don't know that 19.07.39 # Domonoky: now, if there were ZIF adapters to connect the modern 60GB single platter drives... 19.08.55 # so i need a X5L player to use a 60GB hdd ? 19.10.46 # there are X5s with 60GB (factory made) 19.12.47 # buying an X5L and then replacing the hdd and take out the extra battery sounds a bit complicated to me 19.13.03 # Yeah, just buying an X5 60GB would be easier 19.14.18 # dnanar: unless maybe you already have the replacement drive and it would just collect dust otherwise and the X5L is cheaper or easier to get? 19.22.46 Quit nerochiaro (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19.27.53 # Wee, the 1st gen is now playing music :D (after making the wheel work) 19.28.47 # Battery doesn't read properly though. ADC driver seems to work like it should, but scale is different 19.29.01 # 6.34V simply can't be true ;) 19.30.36 # So, the simple BATTERY_SCALE_FACTOR mechanism breaks on 1st/2nd gen port 19.32.22 Join Siku [0] (i=Siku@dsl-kpogw4-fe55df00-86.dhcp.inet.fi) 19.33.20 # pixelma: i don't understand what you wrote. I mean, do you know where i can buy a X5 with 60GB ? 19.33.48 # The plain X5 (not L, not V), comes in 20, 30 and 60 GB versions 19.34.12 # The X5L only comes as 20 or 30GB, and the X5V as 20GB only 19.34.27 # yes, ok, but where to get it the X5 80GB ? thats the problem =( 19.34.41 # The X5 60GB is the same thickness as the X5L 19.34.57 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 19.34.59 # There is no such model 19.35.26 # oops i meant 60GB 19.35.34 Join agm3nt [0] (i=gh@nat.n3t.pl) 19.35.47 Part agm3nt 19.36.03 Quit pondlife ("disconnected has pondlife") 19.36.10 # ok, ive understood all this, but what i dont success, is to find a iaudio X5 (not L or V) with 60GB ? 19.41.11 Quit thegeek () 19.42.11 # anyone know a shop please ? :-) 19.45.52 Join Gibbed [0] (i=rick@pool-96-229-91-46.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 19.48.38 Nick Gibbed is now known as Rick (i=rick@pool-96-229-91-46.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 19.53.03 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@pD9EB4808.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.53.10 # hi there :) 19.53.20 # good morning ;) 19.53.30 # haha 19.53.34 # hi petur 19.54.46 # petur: It shouldn't be necessary to put (simple) backlight code in plugins into #ifdef HAVE_BACKLIGHT 19.55.02 # no? 19.55.20 # it was in the plugins 19.55.22 Quit Xerion (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.55.54 # This is because the only target which comes stock without backlight is the Ondio, and since backlight is prepared on the PCB, it's relatively easy to mod it 19.56.12 # I was even planning to ifdef the whole thing, and repace the functions with an empty define on targets without 19.56.33 # still, it doesn't harm... 19.56.47 # So we decided to leave the backlight setup functions in the core (as dummy functions) in order to ensure api compatibility between plain SVN and backlight-enabled builds 19.57.26 # Of course all the settings are ifdefed, so the normal user won't get presented with a bunch of useless backlight options 19.57.35 # (and also to make the core smaller) 19.57.41 # ok, but the code can stay like it is now, not? 19.58.19 # It can, it's just a tiny bit more cumbersome for a user with a backlight modded Ondio (which are just 2 afaik) 19.58.47 # can't those just build with HAVE_BACKLIGHT? 19.58.53 # yes 19.58.55 # * pixelma hasn't tried yet 19.58.56 # so? 19.59.07 # they have to build their own anyway 19.59.12 # But it's for when you don't want to replace all plugins everytime, but just the core 19.59.30 # Writing to the Ondio is sloo-ooow, especially from windows 19.59.43 # ok, I'll put the ifdefs in comment then 20.00.03 # As mentioned, it's a very minor thing... 20.00.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.00.19 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s189a.studby.ntnu.no) 20.00.39 # The 2 users with a backlight modded Ondio I know are [IDC]Dragon and pixelma 20.01.13 # and XavierGr has a half-modded one (don't know if he really uses it though) 20.01.28 Quit petur ("switching...") 20.01.36 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 20.02.19 # Man, the italian language-file is fubar'ed 20.03.56 Join perrikwp [0] (n=chatzill@74.167.148.160) 20.04.29 Join datasleep [0] (n=datachil@217-208-144-87-no75.tbcn.telia.com) 20.05.02 Quit datachild (Nick collision from services.) 20.05.20 # * amiconn wonders whether he should send a separate 'ladies and gentlemen' mail for the 1st gen 20.05.33 # It was dead simple in fact. Just the wheel enable.... 20.05.42 # go go go 20.05.44 # And the battery readout needs fixing 20.05.52 # But that's no biggie either 20.05.58 # ah 20.06.09 # you have recieved it today? 20.07.03 # yup 20.07.26 # The defective one, and it was just the hdd as I suspected 20.07.45 # nice :) 20.07.48 # Since I also got that extra 2nd gen, the fix was simple - just swap in that hdd 20.07.48 Quit thegeek (Connection reset by peer) 20.07.56 # amiconn: You only have three ipods left - the two shuffles and the 2nd gen Nano... ;) 20.08.19 # I even didn't need to install the bootloader this way - it was already there :) 20.08.21 Quit perrikwp (Client Quit) 20.08.36 # i can just see it now, rockbox on the shuffle =P 20.08.44 # linuxstb: he'll do that after your Elio and AV300 port :P 20.08.49 # linuxstb: 1st gen shuffle isn't supported by gcc. And nobody knows how to run code on 2nd gen shuffle and 2nd gen nano 20.08.53 # * linuxstb shuts up again... 20.08.55 # alienbiker99: Voice ui... 20.09.22 # * alienbiker99 joins linuxstb in shutting up 20.09.36 # Of course most plugins wouldn't make sense, but you would no longer be limited to "in order or shuffle" 20.09.51 # All the standard rockbox playlist features would be available 20.10.05 # Plus the different codec support... 20.10.08 # yup 20.10.20 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s189a.studby.ntnu.no) 20.10.24 # Hmm, a shuffle port would probably profit most from TTS support 20.10.52 # That SoC projects seems to be literally silent unfortunately... 20.11.02 # * amiconn will *eventually* also make an iAudio M3 port - let's see... 20.11.43 # * amiconn wonders whether someone already counted which contributor did how many ports, and who would be the top porter... 20.11.51 # I'm just hoping that austriancoder will finish his SoC project 20.12.07 # Will be a little difficult if a target has more than one person working on the initial port 20.12.43 # * preglow only has nano 20.12.44 # * amiconn already did 5 ihrc 20.13.24 # do you count G1 and G2 seperat? 20.13.44 # yes... probably a bit of cheating... 20.14.01 # hehe ;) 20.14.16 # * DerPapst votes for 4 1/2 then 20.14.17 # cheater! 20.14.53 # we need to set up a prize for the first one who has ported 10 Targets :-) 20.15.25 # * amiconn did the Ondio SP (shared effort with [IDC]Dragon doing the Ondio FM), iPod Mini G2, iAudio M5, iPod 1st/2nd gen 20.15.26 # So who gets the credit for the h1x0 port? 20.15.39 # I guess LinusN for the low-level stuff? 20.15.45 # and the Mini and M5 ports were also not starting something _entirely_ different, like the gigabeat port or something 20.16.17 # hmm, will this include porting rbutil? 20.16.24 # *g* 20.16.29 # bluebrother: Once it runs on DAPs, yes... 20.16.40 # dang. No points for me then ... 20.17.02 # amiconn: which ondio doesn't have backlight? 20.17.03 # Hehe, a dap running rockbox that can install rockbox on other daps... 20.17.19 # petur: all stock Ondios... 20.17.23 # ok 20.17.34 # Domonoky: have you noticed that you can use newlines in the lists? 20.17.35 # if we have usb host, i could be possible.. *hehe* 20.17.36 # linuxstb: does laptop count as DAP? ;-) 20.17.38 # petur: Both, but both can be modded the same way (same mainboard) 20.17.58 # is quite nice imo for longer information like the manual flashing instructions on irivers 20.18.04 # Domonoky: Yes, or firewire on many ipods 20.18.14 # bluebrother: ah newlines work in the progresslist ? thats nice :-) 20.18.50 # I just haven't got html tags getting recognized. That would be nice too (and I guess it's possible -- at least, Qt is some kind of beast ;-) 20.19.09 # Of the mentioned ports, iAudio M5 and Mini G2 were the easiest 20.20.55 Join tedrock [0] (n=tedrock@d235-159-230.home1.cgocable.net) 20.25.15 # didnt you also help get the ipod video 64mb working? 20.26.02 # Huh.. can't I check out a specific file with svn? 20.26.47 # can't you use the file as argument? 20.27.00 # are the targets on the current build page arranged in any order? 20.27.24 # http://subversion.tigris.org/faq.html#single-file-checkout The answer seems to be no. Infuriating. 20.27.38 # alienbiker99: yes, by manufacturer 20.29.46 # why are the irvier h10s out of place? 20.29.55 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@84.188.228.128) 20.30.17 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 20.31.44 # petur: I'm trying out austriancoder's latest try, "mrh_try7.patch".. i have a few comments 20.31.51 # * petur hopes amiconn is happy now... 20.32.06 # hey webguest83! How are you? 20.32.12 # long time no see 20.32.15 # petur: 1) the timer in MrH usb code was replaced with some timer-- thing 20.32.24 # 1) I know 20.32.54 # petur: 2) he uses usb_handle_reset() in case of USB_BUS_RESET, which is not something MrH code does 20.33.28 # petur: 3) I get wierd compiler warnings on his "struct confdata confdata" initialization 20.33.51 # Hi, does someone know if the non working bootloader USB mode on h300 is a sign of faulty hardware. i've never had this problem in the past but since a few days it doesn't work anymore. (maybe this is related to the screw that i had lying around in the player causing random shutdowns?) 20.34.47 # peutr: even since it looks good (even after I added the missing ".conf.iConfiguration = 0 "and ".iface.iInterface = 0" 20.35.06 # PaulJam: is the bootloader stored on the hdd? if so maybe the hdd is just corrupted. 20.35.33 # Derpapst read that line you wrote... 20.35.38 # DerPapst: no, the bootloader is in flash on hxxx targets 20.35.44 # drivers/arcotg_udc.c:199: warning: missing initializer 20.35.53 # drivers/arcotg_udc.c:199: warning: (near initialization for 'confdata.conf.bDescriptorType') 20.36.14 # petur: what was wrong? i'm only familiar with iPods... 20.36.39 # he wasn't asking about ipod... 20.36.56 Join fxb [0] (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 20.36.58 # i know. but other daps have their bootloader on the hdd too 20.37.07 # just a little question please: using rockbox, is there any difference on audio quality between apple ipod 5G and cowon iaudio X5 please ? 20.37.20 # PaulJam: I think the bootloader in SVN has this broken USB mode fixed 20.37.27 # * DerPapst just wanted to be helpfull :-/ 20.37.31 # webguest83: I'll have a look 20.37.41 # petur: I have used e200tool to make a USB register dump, which I heard that he was interesting in 20.37.50 # * petur pats DerPapst on the back 20.40.37 Join qweru [0] (n=kvirc@bb-87-80-66-156.ukonline.co.uk) 20.42.34 # ii hope my refurb e250 isnt crap =\ 20.42.51 Join agm3nt [0] (i=gh@nat.n3t.pl) 20.44.33 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 20.45.39 # webguest83: can you put that dump somewhere? maybe the usb wiki page? 20.46.05 # * amiconn wonders what's the best place for a battery voltage reading function 20.46.29 # In target tree, but power-.c or adc-.c ? 20.47.15 # wouldn't suspend be implemented in power-.c? 20.47.19 # This can't be handled by a simple BATTERY_SCALE_FACTOR anymore because of the 1st/2nd gen. For other targets, not much will change, only code will get moved around 20.49.12 # No. The handling will be put into powermgmt.c, and the suspend function itself will most probably be a separate module 20.50.14 # petur: yes, hold on 20.51.07 # then i think adc...c 20.53.14 Part agm3nt 20.58.28 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 20.59.25 # Hmm, there's another problem: Should I really keep scaling to microvolt first? 21.00.16 # The powermgmt code converts to centivolt, but uses the microvolt internally for its exponential averaging 21.01.57 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 21.08.27 # Should we switch to using millivol all over? 21.08.31 # *millivolt 21.09.51 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.16.04 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 21.18.25 # * petur votes for millivolt 21.21.15 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@c-71-205-0-132.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 21.22.05 Join jgarvey_ [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-024-162-254-070.nc.res.rr.com) 21.23.06 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518]") 21.24.43 Join smail [0] (i=52e0d0a5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ec954c528397ba43) 21.25.25 # hello 21.26.06 # could someone help me concerning the arm-elf-gcc ? 21.27.08 # smail: just ask your question.. no need to ask t ask :-) 21.27.32 Join Xerion [0] (i=xerion@cp198589-d.landg1.lb.home.nl) 21.30.07 Quit jgarvey (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.30.09 # i have an error with ./rockboxdev.sh 21.30.34 # ../../gcc-4.0.3/gcc/simplify-rtx.c: In function ‘simplify_unary_operation’: 21.30.57 # smail: What's your OS? 21.30.57 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.31.00 # ../../gcc-4.0.3/gcc/simplify-rtx.c:365: internal compiler error: segmentation error 21.31.06 Join dandin1 [0] (n=dandin1@bas7-ottawa23-1088831832.dsl.bell.ca) 21.31.16 # debian etch 21.31.18 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF6D7E.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.32.26 # kernel version 2.6.18-4-k7 21.35.09 # I can't help - I can't recall anyone reporting that error before... What's your host gcc version? 21.36.32 # gcc-4.0.3 ? 21.38.03 # i got the gcc-4.1.2 already installed on the system 21.38.44 # That's what I used (I think...). The current version I have installed is "gcc (GCC) 4.1.3 20070601 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-12)" 21.39.03 # * DerPapst used gcc-3.4.3 to run rockboxdev.sh 21.39.10 # cygwin ;) 21.39.42 # what i'm supposed to do then ? 21.41.35 # * dandin1 tends an ear to the crickets. 21.42.28 # Seems like you've hit an undescriptive error. 21.42.31 # Try building an earlier version to see what happens? 21.42.33 # smail: It's not really a rockbox-specific issue - rockboxdev.sh just downloads the gcc source, runs the configure script appropriately, then runs make. 21.42.53 # i see 21.43.01 # Oh, sorry. I didn't see the begenning. *goes back into his hole* 21.43.12 # You could try compiling it manually (see the CrossCompiler wiki page), and maybe see if you can seek support from the gcc people if you get the same problem. 21.43.21 # ok 21.44.03 # thank you for the advice 21.44.16 # But stick around - maybe someone will read your problem in the logs and answer later... 21.44.26 # i will 21.51.07 Quit jgarvey_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.52.06 Join jgarvey_ [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-024-162-254-070.nc.res.rr.com) 21.52.41 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 22.00.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.00.45 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-208-202.student.uu.se) 22.03.20 Quit smail ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 22.06.13 Join agm3nt [0] (i=gh@nat.n3t.pl) 22.16.29 Nick kclafk is now known as kclaf (i=kclaf@crj95-3-82-237-150-15.fbx.proxad.net) 22.16.54 Join low_light [0] (i=c730190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-276bc901160ab7e5) 22.19.44 # bluebrother: 302 is also a valid redirect 22.20.52 # oh? Seems the page I was looking it up lied to me ;-) 22.20.52 # well, quick fix :) 22.21.25 # Note: Many pre-HTTP/1.1 user agents do not understand the 303 22.21.25 # status. When interoperability with such clients is a concern, the 22.21.29 # 302 status code may be used instead, since most user agents react 22.21.30 # to a 302 response as described here for 303. 22.21.58 # * bluebrother should have looked it up on w3.org initially 22.22.05 # rfc2616 22.23.39 Join jbit [0] (n=jbit@jamesl.neovanglist.net) 22.24.44 # hey jbit ;) 22.24.50 # hey :) 22.24.51 # * petur still likes rfc1149 more... 22.25.09 # :-) 22.25.23 # pigeons are nice 22.25.40 Quit Xerion (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22.25.40 NSplit niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 22.25.40 Quit webguest83 (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22.25.40 Quit bluebrother (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22.25.40 Quit midkay_ (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22.25.40 Quit ctaylorr (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22.25.40 Quit krazykit (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22.25.40 Quit FOAD (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22.25.40 Quit courtc (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22.26.13 NHeal niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 22.26.13 NJoin Xerion [0] (i=xerion@cp198589-d.landg1.lb.home.nl) 22.26.13 NJoin webguest83 [0] (i=50d81efc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9fee53017999a048) 22.26.13 NJoin bluebrother [0] (i=RWeZrKgn@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 22.26.13 NJoin midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@71-35-115-101.tukw.qwest.net) 22.26.13 NJoin ctaylorr [0] (n=ctaylorr@CPE001839ae25b4-CM0011aea4a276.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 22.26.13 NJoin krazykit [0] (n=krazykit@gct09-56.gctel.net) 22.26.13 NJoin FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 22.26.13 Join courtc [0] (n=court@unaffiliated/courtc) 22.26.15 *** Server message 505: 'logbot :Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )' 22.27.51 # petur: here's the usb dump: http://www.rarhost.com/download-4ifdin.html 22.28.28 Quit webguest83 ("CGI:IRC") 22.28.33 Join webguest83 [0] (i=50d81efc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c751ecfcc62c0aa9) 22.29.03 # webguest83: thanks! 22.30.14 Quit merbanan (Remote closed the connection) 22.30.18 # * petur goes looking for a tool to unpack rar 22.30.25 # * low_light has the c200 bootloader running in the sansa emulator with the display working 22.30.48 # runs up to "insert usb" 22.30.53 # Neovanglist: yo :) 22.31.08 # low_light: rocking! 22.31.38 # petur: unrar 22.31.44 # (in debian) 22.31.48 # What's the difference between the c200 and e200 ? Looking at the list of features they seem very similar.. 22.31.55 # petur: One moment and I'll give you a zip... 22.32.11 # * petur does the apt-get dance 22.32.13 # the c200 has a PP5021 something 22.32.15 # linuxstb: size 22.32.16 # petur: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/usb_dump1.zip 22.32.21 # with an external ams chip 22.32.27 # * petur stops dancing 22.33.04 Quit _pill ("changing servers") 22.33.07 # Anyone know if the c200 intended to replace the e200? 22.33.12 # toni should clean up the emulator and put it in svn. It's been a lifesaver. 22.33.21 # ah.. linuxtb was faster :P 22.33.22 # linuxstb: thanks 22.33.33 # http://217.235.72.8/dump1.zip 22.33.34 # ^^ 22.33.36 # linuxstb: I don't think so, I think it is smaller and just meant as a little brother 22.33.49 # It also seems more expensive... 22.34.34 # Maybe not... 22.34.51 # I got two c250's on ebay...one for $15 (with cables) one for $5 22.34.59 # gosh 22.35.06 # too hard to resist :) 22.35.12 # i think the e200 replaced the c200 22.35.16 Join _pill [0] (n=pill@sloth.shellfx.net) 22.35.35 # the c200 replaced the c100 ;) 22.38.12 # haha, a 2gb c200 costs a whole 4 SEK (about 50 US cents) less than a 2gb e200 here :-) 22.39.53 Quit qweru ("KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'") 22.42.10 # * petur is impressed by the work webguest83 put into this 22.42.17 Quit tchan ("WeeChat 0.2.6-cvs") 22.44.44 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.44.56 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 22.44.56 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.46.36 # petur: thanks, just want to help the usb effort 22.47.02 # webguest83: you are thanked. drop in more ;) 22.48.29 # hmmmm 22.48.53 # petur: hm.. now I'm going to make a similar register dump in rockbox when austriancoders code is going to send usb packets 22.48.54 # Going millivolt will require changing lots of places :/ 22.49.37 Join tchan [0] (n=tchan@lunar-linux/developer/tchan) 22.51.40 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul) 22.54.55 # There's another tiny difference between between 1st and 2nd gen hardware - the 2nd gen backlight has a built-in short fade-out 22.55.10 # (but that's not very useful due to the backlight inversion) 22.58.19 Join perrikwp [0] (n=chatzill@74.167.148.160) 23.01.55 # markun: Can you work out the license for aones? ljgp32 doesn't seem to have any license at all - just an "all rights reserved" header in the source (or no headers at all...). 23.06.35 # anyone familiar with the peak meter code? or a serious user? 23.06.37 Join viss_ [0] (i=viss@ns2.itkinetix.com) 23.06.45 # * viss_ pokes his head in 23.06.46 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A4953.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.07.16 # this is the same #rockbox that throws these logs, yes?: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/reader.pl?date=20070815 23.07.59 # yes 23.08.03 Quit dandin1 () 23.08.08 # neat 23.08.17 # you guys have been linking a TON of my stuff in here 23.08.18 # :) 23.08.21 # (thats a good t hing) 23.08.24 # i was gonna say 23.08.42 # your stuff being... ? 23.08.43 # if any of you guys have flickr accounts (there are free versions available) please add tags and whatnot to the pictures you guys find 23.08.51 # www.flickr.com/photos/vissago 23.09.09 # all the lost box pictures, all the links to thaumatocracy.com, and some closing ceremony pictures 23.09.13 # ah 23.09.44 # but yeah, im sort of trying to crowdsource some of the efforts as I have something like 500 pictures from defcon15 ;b 23.09.46 # we link a ton of stuff everywhere 23.09.48 # * DerPapst spots a rockbox logo http://www.flickr.com/photos/vissago/1114052689/ 23.10.06 Quit desowin (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.10.10 # DerPapst: yeah, that's the main reason we started watching those pics 23.10.28 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 23.10.33 Quit spiorf_ (Remote closed the connection) 23.10.48 # logo? 23.10.51 Quit Domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.10.52 # heh 23.11.00 # scorche 23.11.07 # which one is he? 23.11.15 Nick chrisjs169__ is now known as chrisjs169 (n=chrisjs@pool-71-254-214-208.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) 23.11.16 # he's the one with the rockbox shirt 23.12.17 # i see 23.12.47 # * pixelma discovered en even nicer pic of scorche... =) 23.12.48 Quit agm3nt (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.13.00 # well, in either case, i encourage people to tag the photos 23.13.04 # itll make them easier to find in the future ;b 23.13.16 # speaking of which, while im on flickr, i need to tag all the minibosses pictures. 23.13.19 # sec 23.13.29 # we don't need tags now when we have the urls in the log already ;-) 23.13.36 # pixelma: which? 23.14.17 # haha 23.14.18 # well 23.14.23 # whatever you guys want ;b 23.14.38 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@i-83-67-214-206.freedom2surf.net) 23.14.38 # i just wanted to tell you folks that the pictures are open to be tagged publically 23.14.50 # meaning you dont have to friend me to add a tag to say, a picture where you see yourself 23.16.36 # anyway, thanks again for the inbound links :) 23.16.44 Part viss_ 23.18.31 Join bdgraue [0] (n=bdgraue@host-091-096-175-178.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 23.19.01 Join davina [0] (n=dave@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 23.20.00 Join agm3nt [0] (i=gh@nat.n3t.pl) 23.24.46 Join webguest57 [0] (i=1824134c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ba549184cf804b4e) 23.25.06 # is there an auto installer for rockbox? 23.25.45 # no 23.25.57 # we have Rockbox Utility but that is still in the works 23.26.07 # http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/RockboxUtility 23.27.15 # does the winstaller work? 23.27.30 # winstaller? What winstaller= 23.27.59 # the windows rockbox utility 23.28.17 # well, it runs. 23.28.25 # webguest57: what player do you have? 23.28.36 # it _does_ something. It just isn't finished yet. 23.28.43 # and it's quite safe to try yourself ... 23.28.45 Quit webguest83 ("CGI:IRC") 23.28.50 # 5.5g ipod 23.29.00 # then i recommend the manual 23.29.18 # installation on ipods is fairly easy 23.29.31 # and whatever you do you can't brick your iPod 23.29.39 # do you know where I can find a simple guide? 23.29.45 # yes 23.29.49 # in the manual 23.29.51 # *sic* 23.30.00 # ok 23.30.02 # the manual is recommended in any case 23.30.23 # a link is on the left navigation bar 23.31.00 # as it is important to get the idea behind Rockbox' interface. 23.31.30 # ok 23.32.25 # * n1s looks in docs/MAINTAINERS 23.32.53 Join homielowe [0] (n=chatzill@207.6.87.171) 23.32.56 # hmm, seems I haven't broken anything new ... 23.33.01 # Looks like I don't have Adobe Reader :S 23.33.13 # use the html version then 23.33.14 # You don't need it - view the manual online (in html) 23.33.42 # hmm, peakmeters aren't even mentioned, seems LinusN did a lot of it but he's not here... 23.33.45 # i know, but with my internet connection, i want the pdf lol 23.34.08 # whatever ;) 23.34.14 # You can download a zip file with the html... 23.34.22 # * bluebrother wonders what's so funny about a slow internet connection 23.34.36 # its not slow, i have a crappy router 23.34.41 # maybe that it still exists? 23.35.00 # 28,8kbps? 23.35.06 # linuxstb: that's too easy *g* 23.36.01 # and the modem is that kind of thing where you put your phone on... and then they talk inary to each other ;) 23.36.29 # *binary even 23.36.33 # talking modems? wow :D 23.36.54 # hello may I have some wiki write access (EricLowe) 23.36.57 # WRT300N at 130Mbps, $200, and it can't even take a little interference 23.37.25 # normally my speend is like 270Mbps 23.37.54 Part low_light 23.38.17 # homielowe: done. 23.38.31 # bluebrother: thanks :p 23.40.46 Quit XavierGr () 23.42.56 # whats a good build to use? the current build? 23.44.13 # yes 23.44.30 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp173-242.adsl.forthnet.gr) 23.44.38 # wich one do i pick for my 30gb 5.5g? 23.44.52 # ipod video build 23.44.55 # webguest57: Read the manual... 23.44.58 # not the 64MB one 23.45.05 # ok 23.46.10 # * linuxstb notices Bagder has exactly 10000 commits according to ohloh - congratulations! 23.46.21 # * Bagder bows 23.46.25 # a pretty number 23.46.45 # And 16 kudos, another pretty number 23.46.50 # I added a warning about not using the 64mb build on 30gb ipod video to the manual. Don't know if I worded it right 23.47.03 # sounds like a good idea 23.47.11 # Was the idea of calling them 30GB and 60/80GB builds rejected? 23.47.15 # indeed 23.47.39 # hopefully not 23.47.45 # hm 23.47.51 # linuxstb: I don't see why it should be, but there seemed to be at least some resistance 23.47.56 # I wonder if I managed to undo that naming 23.47.57 # I put the warning in for now 23.48.07 # when we moved servers 23.48.10 # It's technically wrong to call them that, but it's probably far less confusing. 23.48.53 # Bagder: Ah, so they were called that at one point? 23.49.13 # I agree. The fact that you can run the 32mb build on 60/80gb ipods is mostly academical 23.49.14 # yes, I remember that I changed that at some point 23.49.29 # I'll do the change again now 23.49.29 # And anyone who knows to do this should know enough to pick the right build anyway 23.49.43 # * DerPapst guesses "iPod Video 60/80GB (64MB)" and "iPod Video 30GB (32MB)" are too long names.. and might be confusing as well :/ 23.50.14 # so reload now to get a feel for it 23.50.32 # this is probably a lot clearer to most users 23.50.38 # :) 23.51.06 # I agree. 23.51.21 # As we're clarifiying the downloads, what about a separate download page with just that table on it? 23.51.49 # like on the current download page? 23.51.54 # which has nothing atm 23.52.18 # What page do you mean? 23.52.21 # hm, perhaps not as its called "releases" in the menu 23.52.21 # Like the manual page? 23.52.22 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 23.52.59 # "Current build" could simply show the downloads, and another link for "development stats" or something 23.53.13 # I guess something like daily.shtml, but with the table from http://build.rockbox.org 23.53.18 # s/table/download table/ 23.53.35 # or I just change the order on the build page... 23.53.45 # Good idea 23.54.13 # I think it would nicer for users to not see the dev stuff - keep the download page clean and simple. 23.54.54 Quit dnanar ("leaving") 23.56.20 # Hmm, do we want the voltage displayed with 3 decimals in user screens? 23.56.46 # I guess that would fake a precision that doesn't really exist.... 23.57.13 Quit jgarvey_ ("Leaving") 23.57.17 # * bluebrother does the themes-installation-commited dance 23.57.18 # it's a bit odd that the 2 Ipod Video builds are on two rows, I think it would be nicer and even less confusing to see them side by side 23.57.26 # now let's see what I broke ;-) 23.58.31 # pixelma: True. The two H10 builds could be moved before the ipods - after the other irivers. 23.58.55 # The ipods should also be sorted by generation imho