--- Log for 17.08.107 Server: niven.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 14 days and 12 hours ago 00.00.02 # parafin: I mean, on the iPod with the built-in firmware, scrolling through a huge list of artist names is not painfully slow. with RockBox, however, it is. 00.00.13 # i see 00.00.16 # there is a patch 00.00.28 # yeah? can you point me at it? 00.00.44 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5594 00.00.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.01.35 # nice! thanks! 00.01.41 # i don't remember is it up2date, if not, i can give you version that applies clean 00.02.26 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 00.05.28 # does anyone use http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4840 ? 00.05.43 # i guess nobody, because is doesn't work... :/ 00.07.10 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 00.07.16 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 00.12.28 # * n1s is seriously lost in settings_list.c all those macros... 00.13.40 # jhMikeS: Do I remember correctly that you have a gigabeat? 00.13.47 Join bospaadje [0] (n=bospaadj@ip82-139-84-212.lijbrandt.net) 00.14.31 # * petur completely understands n1s 00.16.39 # 32800 zips downloaded from build.rockbox.org so far in august 00.17.29 # 49% being ipod video... 00.18.01 # well ipod video rulez, but native firmware suxx :) 00.18.17 # it even doesn't play flacs 00.18.39 # Bagder: we should allocate more resourses to ipod vide development! :-P 00.18.52 # yeah. yeah :) 00.19.01 # yes, we better hire some fresh blood 00.19.04 Join kubiixaka [0] (n=Miranda@ip-89-103-17-41.karneval.cz) 00.22.36 # hmm 00.22.53 # i can't understand why jpeg_zoom patch doesn't work 00.22.57 # it seems fine 00.25.10 # parafin: of all our target IIRC only the iaudios play flac in their OF 00.26.32 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 00.26.57 Join iamben [0] (n=ben@dpc67142179038.direcpc.com) 00.27.25 # well alsa ipod official firmware stores music in strange way 00.28.46 # aha, i found stupid typo in that patch 00.29.09 # i think 00.31.17 # Bagder,bloods no good need bodies 00.31.55 # wtf? the plugins where I changed the backlight code now all freeze, except for mpegplayer 00.32.24 # there is some practical use for mpegplayer? =) 00.33.07 # petur: turn spelling filenames on and even mpegplayer won't be fun... 00.33.35 # (needs a voice file present I believe) 00.35.17 # why ipod has 2 partitions on disc? 00.35.27 # parafin: Sure there is. Don't draw conclusions based on just one target 00.35.41 # parafin: One partition is for the firmware. 00.36.08 # hmm... there goes rockbox bootloader? 00.36.16 # The iPod video is no fun at all, since its lcd update is awfully slow. Nobody stepped forward and figured out the video capabilities of the chip 00.36.21 # parafin: yes 00.36.35 Quit nerochiaro ("vacation! back Mon Aug 27th") 00.36.45 # On H10, iPod color and Gigabeat, mpegplayer is completely smooth 00.37.37 # well, i hope some day it will be smooth on ipod video too. 00.37.55 # and ipod video would run more time on batarreis 00.38.04 # That will almost certainly require using the broadcom chip 00.38.24 # there is no spec? 00.38.27 Quit kubiix (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.38.39 # ahaaahaa, good joke ;) 00.38.50 # Broadcom and specs.... 00.39.15 # ya know for the potential capabilities along with the widespread distribution of the device 00.39.28 # i'm almost surprised if nobody'll do a cleanroom driver like they did for the wifi 00.39.31 # heh 00.39.36 # i guess nobody cares about it as much 00.40.12 # The ipod video is just one target among many, and the chip is only used there 00.40.22 # yeah, i fixed jpeg_zoom patch 00.40.24 # It's not a matter of a driver, IIUC, it's a complete SoC in its own right - an unknown (speculated to be MIPS-like I think) CPU, plus DSP. 00.40.26 # And figuring out the PP is already difficult enough 00.45.55 Quit ender` (" cd /pub && get beer") 00.47.37 # n1s: found a small problem with the unification of the "Gain" strings - it is used in the recording screen where it was shortened in the german translation for example, so that it fits on the Archos displays - and now it would either don't fit or has to be unnecessarily shortened in the EQ settings... 00.47.54 # the root of the problem might be something else though 00.47.58 Quit BigBambi_ ("Leaving") 00.54.53 # I compared with the up to date swedish language file (the term has a comparable length) - there only the "dB" at the end of the line in the recording screen aren't visible on Ondio - I think I can find a compromise... 00.55.03 # what is format of apps/plugins/viewers.config? extension,pluginname,numberoficon ? 01.02.11 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 01.02.17 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 01.02.23 # * petur heads off to typo class :/ 01.03.24 Join Soap [0] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 01.03.44 # * pixelma hands petur a "c" 01.04.05 # thanks :) 01.04.21 # * petur mounts "c" on keyboard 01.06.14 # pixelma: I don't think duplicating strings is the way to go here, and btw the shortened string can be hwcodec only as they don't have eq anyway it doesn't matter much 01.08.10 # I don't say it should be duplicated, just stating my problem here 01.09.13 # I like that hwcodec suggestion, didn't think of it 01.11.19 # though it's not really "clean" - the feature itself doesn't have to do with the line not fitting on the screen 01.11.26 # pixelma: this does however raise another question, is it possible to have that shortened string only available in deutsch.lang or does it have to bee included in english.lang too? I guess it needs to be in english.lang, just don't thin anyone tried... 01.12.23 # you mean having different exceptions from the master language? 01.12.33 # s/from/than 01.12.38 # pixelma: maybe introduce a new feature, like small_lcd or something, there are a few strings with shorter variants for ondios and players 01.12.40 Quit robin0800 (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The professional IRC Client :D") 01.12.54 # pixelma: yes, but I don't think that will work 01.13.21 # n1s: but that won't be true for the recording screen on the irvier remote btw... 01.13.37 # pixelma: ah true 01.13.42 # hmmm build server stuck :( 01.13.59 # strange, i'm trying to get gifview patch working 01.14.10 # /home/parafin/junk/src/rockbox-20070815/build/apps/plugins/gifview.o: In function `loadgif': 01.14.10 # * petur pokes B4gder 01.14.11 # gifview.c:(.text+0xf58): undefined reference to `memcpy' 01.14.19 # n1s: the only clean solution would be viewports maybe... ;) 01.14.21 # but there is no call to memcpy... 01.14.25 # UI programming in rockbox is becomming quite complicated... 01.15.06 # petur: I would guess he's asleep... 01.15.12 # parafin: the call is made by gcc 01.15.43 # n1s: I'll go with my "little bit shortened" version for the moment 01.16.06 # parafin: do this after you declare the rb pointer MEM_FUNCTION_WRAPPERS(rb); 01.16.06 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.16.33 # or maybe missing the "dB" isn't that important? At least I can see the number... 01.16.43 # pixelma: there are many places where there is no optimal solution unfortunately... 01.16.43 # n1s: we'll see how high that counter goes then... 01.17.13 # n1s, there is ; or not? 01.17.16 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 01.17.59 # no 01.18.01 # thanx 01.18.14 # parafin: you should have a line like this in your plugin static struct plugin_api* rb;, put the other line directly after it 01.18.14 Quit Echelon () 01.18.18 # petur? 01.18.22 # parafin: are you updating patches? If you think some have been forgotten and should really make it, you can always mention them here (aka nagging) 01.18.42 # Wow 92KB .diff and growing... 01.18.53 # n1s: "Build should have been done 12m 20s ago, at 01:06:26" 01.19.00 # and counting 01.19.02 # n1s, i understood, i asked about is it MEM_FUNCTION_WRAPPERS(rb) or MEM_FUNCTION_WRAPPERS(rb); 01.19.15 # petur: ah, I'm half asleep :-) 01.19.36 # Bagder: ping... 01.19.55 # petur already tried... 01.20.08 # parafin: you should include the ; or else it will not compile 01.20.23 # pixelma: no, I tried B4gder ;) 01.20.26 # n1s, why? it compiled fine without ; 01.20.47 # parafin: oh, guess it's not needed then 01.21.38 # petur, you mean that, this is a work for authors of patches? 01.21.55 # it's just plain faster to do it myself :) 01.22.14 # no I mean adding to svn 01.22.28 Join perrikwp_ [0] (n=chatzill@74.167.148.160) 01.22.30 Nick perrikwp_ is now known as perrikwp (n=chatzill@74.167.148.160) 01.22.50 Quit mpeccorini (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The alternative IRC client") 01.23.39 # well, it's allready 7 working patches i applied and one that doesn't work =) 01.24.18 # but most of them needed updating 01.25.47 # i'll post after sleep updated versions on tracker, so you'll see :) 01.26.48 # Hmpf 01.27.03 Join lucaferr [0] (n=lucaferr@h229n1fls305o1037.telia.com) 01.27.23 # hmm, there is a bug in albumart patch 01.27.38 # it shifts bmp 1 pixel up 01.28.04 # * amiconn would like to commit his powermgmt split, but doing so without getting proper feedback from the build system is kinda scary :( 01.28.21 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 01.28.34 # amiconn: no-one will see the red :-) 01.29.50 # gifview actually works 01.29.52 # cool 01.30.25 # n1s: btw... just saying because your sentence sounded as if the Ondios were a special case - they have the same display like the other bitmapped Archos :) 01.32.13 # The commit would touch 43 files, 14 of the are new 01.32.15 # pixelma: right, it was probably this comment from LANG_DISK_NAME_MMC i remembered "(Ondio; keep short!)" 01.32.56 # it's very simple though, only displays gif without scaling 01.33.02 # amiconn: I'd say commit and fix it tomorrow, unless you plan to go missing for an extended period of time :-) 01.33.46 # I also want to see the delta, which might indicate that I overlooked things 01.33.52 # oh, it doesn't work very well 01.34.02 # anyway, goodnight 01.34.06 Part n1s 01.34.43 # well, at least it doesn't crash rockbox how dict2 does =) 01.34.53 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@141.213.188.46) 01.34.55 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 01.35.02 # I wonder what's wrong, it looks like all builds made it... 01.35.57 Quit kubiixaka (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.36.13 # ...but not the source archive 01.36.38 # amiconn: the WPS tokenizer patch was'nt far from 200 KB :) 01.37.02 # Yeah, but you didn't commit into a hanging build state iirc 01.37.15 # indeed I did not 01.38.00 Quit barrywardell () 01.38.03 # mabe Bagder should give a trusted someone access to the build server to avoid this kind of problem 01.38.23 # the swedes are all in bed... 01.40.18 # hmm, albumart patch shifts even 2 pixels, not one... bad patch, bad 01.40.24 # * amiconn is in the same timezone... 01.40.56 # * parafin in GMT+4, it's even easter :) 01.41.05 # he typically goes to bed around an hour:40 ago 01.42.01 # part of the issue (from what i understand) is that it is a company server 01.42.09 # and according to Murphy's Law the build servers get stuck later... 01.43.03 # hmmm it's been a while since I had a Murphy... 01.47.21 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 01.47.27 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 01.49.32 Join The_Emperor [0] (i=45469622@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1cdd70b8909c8ce2) 01.50.58 # hello 01.51.05 # * petur bows 01.52.54 # * scorche wonders why someone walked in here naked 01.54.13 # there is no way to turn off ipod while usb cable is pluged? 01.55.04 Quit petur ("Zzzzzz") 01.56.28 Quit The_Emperor ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 01.59.00 # genlang only picks up changes depending on features in the "source" part of the phrase - not in the "dest" or "voice" part? :\ 02.00.48 Quit midgey (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.00.51 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.01.24 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@westquad-188-46.reshall.umich.edu) 02.02.27 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 02.02.49 Join whitej8 [0] (n=qbert@c-71-56-70-13.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 02.03.31 # any body running rockbox on a gen5.5 30G video? 02.04.15 # do video podcast work? 02.04.47 # are there any recommendations for syncing from debian? 02.05.46 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 02.07.09 # strange 02.07.57 # vertical size of album art is 97, but should be 100 02.08.05 # what the? 02.09.46 Quit miepchen^schlaf ("Verlassend") 02.13.33 Part parafin ("If you don't like rock'n'roll | It's too late now") 02.41.01 Quit jhMikeS ("Meow!") 02.41.27 Quit whitej8 ("Leaving.") 02.41.50 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 02.50.30 Join whitej8 [0] (n=qbert@c-71-56-70-13.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 02.51.17 # I'm new to irq I posted a question before having to restart. Is it still active or do I need to repeat? 02.51.38 # well, the question is still on our screen 02.51.46 # thats what I thought 02.51.47 # thanks 02.51.56 # and video podcasts sorta kinda work 02.52.05 # you can still sync them to the OF with amarok or whatever you use 02.52.11 # I've been reading 02.52.22 # everything is over 1 year old 02.52.23 # or you could run the files through a script that converts them to mpeg2 02.52.33 # the OF? 02.52.37 # and then adds them to your player. some simple bash script could do it 02.52.39 # original firmware 02.53.00 # most of the video is generated by my mythtv 02.53.05 # as mp4 02.53.20 # yeah, you can't play mpeg4 video on rockbox. 02.53.33 Quit YouCeyE (Remote closed the connection) 02.55.01 # will amarok sync with the OF? 02.55.25 # music, for sure. dunno about video 02.55.38 # not having an ipod, i haven't looked at any of the offerings 02.55.42 # I'm a bit confused about the new filesystem that rockbox uses 02.55.51 # can it be accessed by the OF? 02.55.52 # ...fat32? 02.56.12 # let's see if i can explain it 02.56.30 # I've recently replaced MacOSX with debian on my iBook 02.56.39 # so I dont have access to iTunes anymore 02.56.56 # the OF uses the iTunes database to know where the files are located. it renames them to stupid 4-letter filenames and such. the apple firmware can NOT see anything outside of that 02.57.09 # thats what I thought 02.57.22 # so for video, you have two options 02.57.36 # use the OF with whatever will sync to it (preferred, in the case of the ipod) 02.57.55 # or download the podcasts, re-encode them to mpeg2, then transfer them 02.58.29 # I'm hoping to go with option 1 but I havent found anything that will sync video podcast 02.59.15 # gtkpod might do it. 02.59.18 Join sarixe [0] (n=sarixe@ool-435403e9.dyn.optonline.net) 02.59.18 # MIGHT. 02.59.22 # anapod 02.59.39 # my old mp3 player was a Neuros so the ability to play ogg would be a great plus but I'm not sure I'm ready to replace the firmware on the ipod 02.59.54 # but that is really a subject for another #IRC channel. (solutions to Apple Original Firmware questions that is) 03.00.42 # but wikipedia, I believe, has a chart of all the iPod database programs (anapod, gtkpod, elphpod, sharepod, yamipod, etc) and their features. 03.00.51 # sweet 03.00.54 # I'll check that out 03.02.47 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@unaffiliated/youceye) 03.04.43 Quit YouCeyE (Remote closed the connection) 03.05.23 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_iPod_Managers 03.09.15 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@unaffiliated/youceye) 03.11.31 # ugh...i am being such an idiot today... 03.18.31 # yeah, i agree :P 03.19.04 Quit perrikwp (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.20.54 # hmph...you arent allowed to agree! 03.25.44 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 03.27.49 Part pixelma 03.31.42 # thanks for the 411 and the link to wikipedia 03.31.49 Part whitej8 03.36.05 Quit YouCeyE (Remote closed the connection) 03.40.49 Join hfliezfh [0] (n=agnth@vrnawihed51-pool6-a219.vrnawi.tds.net) 03.41.05 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@unaffiliated/youceye) 03.53.48 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A95EB2.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.00.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.03.33 Quit YouCeyE (Remote closed the connection) 04.05.34 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 04.11.45 Join perrikwp_ [0] (n=chatzill@74.167.148.160) 04.11.46 Nick perrikwp_ is now known as perrikwp (n=chatzill@74.167.148.160) 04.27.31 Join sakamoto [0] (i=sakamoto@d54C37C10.access.telenet.be) 04.27.43 # hi 04.28.00 # i do not follow rockbox developments closely 04.28.14 Join mexicankiller [0] (n=chatzill@189.156.211.155) 04.28.29 # however i would like to know if there's any progress in nano 2nd gen support 04.28.36 # there isnt 04.28.41 # k 04.28.51 # what's the reason? 04.28.52 # you can see any progress in the thread in the new ports forum 04.29.00 # lemme check 04.29.01 # it is listed in that thread 04.31.14 Quit courtc ("Lost terminal") 04.32.20 Join courtc [0] (n=court@unaffiliated/courtc) 04.39.49 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Connection timed out) 04.39.55 # hmmm ... pretty stuck at the moment 04.40.49 # have all latest ipod models they same unsupported samsung chip? 04.40.58 # or is nana 2g specific 04.41.03 # is it* 04.41.11 # nano* 04.41.23 # *sjeez* 04.41.28 # ;) 04.59.00 Quit perrikwp (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.01.21 # just the 2nd gen nano 05.14.08 # * tonyyarusso just bought that and found out :( 05.19.44 Quit midgey () 05.25.54 Join perrikwp [0] (n=chatzill@74.167.148.160) 05.28.37 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 05.34.24 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c58-109-97-210.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au) 05.38.48 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@adsl-67-64-105-250.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 05.45.04 Quit mexicankiller (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.45.54 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@c-71-205-0-132.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 05.48.38 Join Lucias_D [0] (n=fuckyou@mn-10k-dhcp1-645.dsl.hickorytech.net) 05.53.25 Quit tedr0ck (Client Quit) 05.59.28 Quit Lucias_D () 06.01.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.34.37 Join ptw419 [0] (i=ptw419@66-90-157-228.dyn.grandenetworks.net) 06.57.39 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 07.04.34 # mo0ning 07.10.01 # Bagder: build *still* hanging :( 07.17.56 Quit sarixe ("Peace") 07.20.55 Join carlos1234 [0] (n=carlos12@d83-189-82-31.cust.tele2.de) 07.29.58 Nick carlos1234 is now known as cayetano1 (n=carlos12@d83-189-82-31.cust.tele2.de) 07.34.15 Join benners [0] (n=benners@70.103.87.41) 07.34.21 Join advcomp2019 [0] (n=advcomp2@66.172.231.192) 07.47.44 # has anyone in here even taken an interest in porting the iRiver pmp-120 and pmp-140 players for rockbox? 07.48.49 # 402 min...is that a new record? 07.50.18 # ??? 07.50.38 # doubt it...still a while though 07.56.35 Quit sakamoto () 07.56.58 Join Transience [0] (n=Transien@cpe-74-76-155-49.nycap.res.rr.com) 07.57.45 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@ip-89-103-17-41.karneval.cz) 07.57.47 # was anyone here involved with the iPod port? 07.58.08 # i've got a question about firmware checksums 07.59.12 Part benners ("Konversation terminated!") 08.01.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.02.57 # was anyone here involved with any of the sucessfull ports? 08.03.09 # i don't mean to exclude 08.04.16 # Transience: Just ask your question, and if someone knows the answer they will respond 08.04.48 # well i'm trying to figure out how the checksums on the sucessfull ports were dealt with 08.05.08 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.05.26 # i'm working on the ZVM port, but i'd rather not re-invent the wheel 08.05.30 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@adsl-65-67-113-27.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 08.05.48 # Which checksums? The rockbox binary checksum? 08.05.49 # im not sure, but i dont think any of the ports had checksums like the zvm 08.05.54 # really? 08.05.57 # i think he means in the firmware 08.06.03 # i thought the iPod firmware had a checksum in it 08.06.22 # well, if you want info on the iPod port, ask linuxstb 08.06.48 # ok 08.07.09 # well not necesarily the ipod port 08.07.27 # any port where the stock firmware contained a checksum 08.07.43 Join little [0] (n=agnth@69.130.245.162) 08.07.51 # if something like this has been beaten before 08.07.59 # i'd like to know how it was done 08.08.06 # That really depends on what checks the original firmware, its flashing routine, bootloader, etc does 08.08.19 # well the bootloader on the ZVM does 08.08.32 # is this the case for any of the other ports? 08.08.41 # have you tried to overwrite the opcodes that check against the checksum? 08.08.53 # i can't 08.08.59 # as far as i know 08.09.09 # the bootloader that's already on the player does the checking 08.09.24 # Can you dump the bootloader to examine the process? 08.09.40 # well it's in the player's flash memory 08.09.42 # not the HDD 08.09.52 # how would i go about dumping the bootloader? 08.10.04 # there's an FBOOT block in the firmware 08.10.18 # but i'm not sure how to debug it 08.10.23 # Well, rockbox has to be adapted to each target's original bootloader in order to be loaded, one way or another 08.10.34 # right 08.10.50 # i looked a littel at the ZVM info at one point, doesn't it contain an nk.bin? 08.11.12 # What specific checks the original loader does is rather different per target 08.11.12 # yeah that's the entire upgrade 08.11.37 # Some do none, some do simple checksums, and some do descrambling or decryption 08.11.57 # doesnt the zvm checksum the firmware files before it lets it flash? 08.11.58 # well the firmware upgrade isn't encrypted 08.12.05 # So there can be no general way to handle it 08.12.17 # because the images used in the GUI can be easily extracted 08.12.28 # no decryption needed 08.12.33 # yeah 08.12.43 # Yeah, so it probably checks one or more checksums or signatures 08.12.47 # if the check doesn't pass, the player rejects the update 08.13.01 # What checks that are needs to be reverse engineered per target 08.13.02 # it's possible to get modified firmware onto the HDD 08.13.16 # but it won't update with it 08.13.49 # i can find the firmware on the HDD of the zen 08.14.00 # using 010 editor's open drive tool 08.14.11 # but i'm not sure that helps 08.14.30 # i'm not sure how different the S is from ZVM, but both have an nk.bin. 08.14.32 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 08.14.42 # there's one checksum value at the end of the nk.bin file 08.15.12 # the S was cracked by inserting a custom record into the nk.bin which contained an opcode that overwrote the sig check instruction in eboot.bin 08.15.25 # s? 08.15.30 # gigabeat S 08.15.33 # ah 08.16.00 # man, that build is still building 08.16.26 # so the gigabeat's bootloader didn't check the firmware being passed to it? 08.16.45 # i.e. it didn't check the firmware before upgrading? 08.17.00 # It did, but we worked out the checksumming 08.17.06 # how? 08.17.09 # Or at least, it was worked out already by someone else 08.17.13 # oh 08.17.56 # i think the only checksums that were checked were the record checksums 08.18.09 # the ZVM has 14 blocks in the firmware 08.18.20 # the last seems to be a checksum 08.18.33 # 10 are data 08.18.40 # so even if a custom record was entered, if the checksum was valid it passed. aside from that, i believe it also checked time stamps, and also the signature 08.18.45 # one is @TL 08.18.49 # one is EXT0 08.18.55 # and the first is CINF 08.19.08 # ok 08.20.15 # i have the FBOOT block 08.20.25 # which i figure is the bootloader upgrade 08.20.45 # is there some way that i could examine it besides raw hex? 08.21.15 # LinusN: Could you please please kick the hanging build? 08.21.25 # sure 08.22.04 # * amiconn wanted to commit a pending 46-file change, but didn't dare to without being able to get status and size delta feedback 08.22.51 # what happens to the files that arent built, do they get built on the next svn update? 08.23.33 # I would like to see a way to restart hanging builds if none of you 3 is around. Perhaps the build master could start a monitoring script the same time as it starts a build, and if it's not done in, say, 30 minutes, kick it 08.24.21 # amiconn: we have some ideas for that, but as always, more important things come in between 08.25.06 Quit hfliezfh (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.25.11 Join ptw [0] (i=ptw419@66-90-157-228.dyn.grandenetworks.net) 08.26.46 Join davina [0] (n=dave@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 08.27.54 Quit lostnihilist (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.29.04 # amiconn: build done 08.31.01 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=lostnihi@ppp-68-251-32-251.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) 08.35.55 Part Transience 08.36.59 # Where is the tree is the rockbox svg logo? 08.40.13 Quit ptw419 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.47.41 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 08.53.52 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B14F58.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.54.12 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 08.58.15 Join ackbahr [0] (n=ackbahr@d85-232-161-180.cust.tele2.ch) 09.03.08 Quit cayetano1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.04.39 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@79.187.93.186) 09.05.11 Join ie [0] (i=c27f0814@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e459f518b4386774) 09.06.14 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.06.45 Quit ie (Client Quit) 09.12.05 # amiconn: great commit 09.12.07 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.12.45 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjorn@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 09.13.23 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 09.15.31 Join ie [0] (i=c27f0814@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8999ab64342dfe47) 09.15.38 # Hello. Does anybody know whether the FM radio in the european model of Sansa E200 series is disabled by the firmware or does it just lack the FM hardware? I asked this question yesterday but got no answer so far. 09.16.08 Join ddalton [0] (n=daniel@203-214-50-20.dyn.iinet.net.au) 09.16.48 # how do I search for text in emacs? like using the find feature in notepad. and how do I get emacs to do the indentation? 09.18.32 # ddalton: search by using ctrl-s 09.18.33 # ddalton: by searching (google?) emacs docs and doing what it says 09.18.33 # ddalton: This may be helpful - http://www.hsrl.rutgers.edu/ug/emacs_qref.html 09.19.14 # ie: lack of hardware 09.19.23 Quit ddalton (Client Quit) 09.19.29 Quit aliask (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.20.33 # ie: atleast it's information that I've seen here and there 09.24.15 # desowin: thanks 09.26.50 Join tedrock [0] (n=tedrock@d235-159-230.home1.cgocable.net) 09.33.16 Quit ackbahr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.34.15 # good to see a range of commits 09.34.22 # now i can work on my "ram usage" delta 09.34.35 # and really mess up the table 09.34.58 # this will be a separate table, no? 09.35.14 # I'm not sure, currently I've made a second line for each build 09.35.22 # I'll show an example soon 09.36.05 # http://build.rockbox.org/cvsmod/sizes2.html 09.36.24 # it's almost boring how the ram delta moves exactly as the bin delta 09.36.32 # B4gder: make this a hover tip? Or add two radio buttons to switch between disc and ram? 09.36.55 # hover is annoying since it doesn't give an overview 09.36.58 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 09.37.00 # B4gder: throw in some random noise to make it more exciting 09.37.08 # yay 09.37.25 # B4gder: what about radios? 09.37.31 Nick Gibbed is now known as Rick (i=rick@pool-96-229-91-46.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 09.37.44 # ie: that'd require javascript fuu that I don 09.37.47 # 't posess 09.38.23 # B4gder: how did you implement the counter on the buidl page then? ;-) 09.38.29 # I didn't ;-) 09.38.55 # or rather, I managed to invoke the script but I got the script handed over to me 09.41.43 # B4gder: that should be rather simple. Two tables are generated in their own div blocks. And in the onclick event of the radio button you change the display style from none to visible 09.42.29 # can you write up a html page for me that I can copy and paste from? 09.45.21 Join bdgraue [0] (n=bdgraue@host-091-097-094-132.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 09.50.13 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust362.winn.cable.ntl.com) 09.50.15 Quit Wofl (Remote closed the connection) 09.51.06 Quit perrikwp ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518]") 09.51.07 # hehe, i really like this theme: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g#PenPaper 09.53.06 # now we need a scribble font :) 09.53.59 # yup 09.54.14 # he should join the logo contest :-P 09.54.20 Join einhirn [0] (n=Miranda@bb-fw-verw1-c65rz1.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 09.55.57 # LinusN: I still like that logo very much (the one next to RockBox on the main menu screenshot) 09.59.15 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 09.59.29 # Hello all, I'd like to have Replaygain for the Archos (recorder) Target - to Implement it, I'd use the "DSP Volume Control" - am I correct to assume that I 10.00.27 # have got the values 0-80000 Hex to set the Volume Gain? 10.01.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.01.58 # B4gder: try this: http://www.pastebin.ca/660745 10.02.26 # cool, thanks! 10.03.49 # Hmm - seems that I did get that value wrong... 10.04.10 # ie: I'll give it a shot in a while 10.05.10 # ie: about the radio in the european Sansas - there was a thread in the forums that claimed there are both: european models where the tuner chip is still there and only disabled in firmware and others without the chip (said to be on the anythingbutipod forums as well) 10.05.20 Join pipoka [0] (i=xiybo@c911d1c2.bhz.virtua.com.br) 10.05.31 # hello guys 10.07.46 # pixelma: how can you tell? Was it so that e.g. until a certain date all devices had the chip and then no chip (or vice versa)? Or does depend on the factory (if there are many)? Or...? 10.07.46 Quit lostnihilist (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.08.11 # ie: nobody knows 10.08.18 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=lostnihi@ppp-68-251-34-74.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) 10.08.30 # B4gder: ... the troubles I've se-e-en... :-) 10.08.41 # or well, sandisk might known but they won't tell 10.09.00 # my contact actually said the fm was disabled in firmware only 10.09.08 # I don't know, the poster just said that some could enable it by putting the us firmware on 10.09.19 # but I know people tell that the chip is absent in (some) euro models 10.09.51 Quit sneakums ("reconfiguring") 10.10.01 # hey can any of u guys plz help me? 10.10.16 # pipoka: just ask the question 10.10.22 # thx =) 10.10.29 # nooo 10.10.33 # let us guess the question! 10.10.40 # ok guess it 10.10.45 # * petur guesses target = ipod 10.10.59 # "any of you guys want a lot of money for hanging around here all day for the rest of this year?" 10.11.10 # * hcs raises hand 10.11.11 # nooo =( 10.11.18 # hehe 10.11.19 # 10.11.21 # hahaha 10.11.34 # actually, i got a gigabeat f20 10.11.46 # heres the problem... 10.12.25 # i formatted it with windows and now i get a system error "no hdd found" 10.12.28 # =( 10.12.35 # any1 know what is it? 10.15.49 # petur: i like that one too 10.16.41 # anyone? 10.16.59 # pipoka: I get the feeling you shouldn't have formatted it... 10.17.15 # pipoka: it could be a problem with the partition table 10.17.22 # so.. in other words... im fucked? 10.17.28 # pipoka: nah 10.17.39 # i just throw it in the garbage? 10.17.45 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort#Gigabeat_Recovery_Procedures 10.18.02 # gigabeat has only one partition, correct? 10.18.11 # looks like... 10.18.48 Join lost|X40 [0] (n=lostnihi@ppp-68-251-35-19.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) 10.19.03 # does your pc see it when you conenct it? 10.19.18 # yes it does... 10.19.35 # hmmm... let's ping a specialist 10.19.39 # actually the gigabeat room does recornize it 10.19.41 # * petur pings markun 10.21.21 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF5EBA.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.21.57 # pipoka: you formatted it fat32? 10.22.04 # yepe... 10.22.18 # I think you have to copy the GBSYSTEM directory back on it 10.22.34 # then after i got the sytem error, i formatted it with the toshiba gormat program 10.22.46 # format* 10.24.36 # im trying it right now... 10.26.42 # well i copiedt the GBSYSTEM... 10.27.16 # now it appears like its in usb mode... but its not plugged in my pc 10.27.23 # thats weird o.O 10.28.07 Quit lostnihilist (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.28.20 # pipoka: sorry I'm not very familiar with gigabeat... I think there's a #gigabeat channel maybe they can help 10.28.44 # no problem man... 10.28.49 # i will try that 10.29.00 # thanks for ur attention =D 10.29.23 # is that guy, markun, an specialist of gigabeats? 10.29.31 # yep 10.29.33 # can i try to contact him later? 10.29.43 # yep 10.29.50 # ok... =D 10.29.57 # thx man 10.30.01 # sleep well 10.30.08 # or post a question in the forum 10.30.15 # * petur is still waking up :/ 10.30.20 # rockbox forum? 10.30.26 # yes, we have 11000 user there 10.30.35 # I bet one or two know something about gigabeats 10.31.06 # sure i will try that too... 10.31.09 # thx :) 10.31.50 # LinusN: Thanks. That's only a first step though, but it was necessary to get 1st gen battery reading right (different scale factors) 10.32.28 # LinusN: Regarding radio - do you think you could add radio detection to the X5 build? Right now X5V users get a useless and confusing FM radio menu item... 10.32.49 # OpenOffice helped me with calculating the Hex values - and since the MAS datasheet recommends to set "-1.0" for normal use, I recon that I'd set values from -1.0 to -0.0 (0x80000 to 0xFFFFF) to apply Replaygain. 10.34.01 Join ddalton [0] (n=daniel@203-214-50-20.dyn.iinet.net.au) 10.34.22 # how do I access the playlist viewer? 10.35.22 # einhirn: You can use the dsp volume control for implementing replaygain. However, keep in mind that channel mapping also uses these. It should be doable with some (quite simple) fixed point arithmetics 10.37.30 # what there isn't a playlist viewer? 10.38.01 # amiconn: Yes, I thought about adding a Parameter to "set_channel_config" from firmware/sound.c 10.38.12 # ddalton: surely this is mentioned in the manual? 10.38.37 # would that be feasible? 10.39.26 # B4gder: Well I installed a patch and went to the context menu from the wps then playlist then viewer current playlist. Is that how you get to the playlist viewer? 10.39.44 # The patch is meant to voice the playlist viewer. 10.40.00 # I never use it so I'm not sure 10.40.05 # but I'm quite sure it is documented 10.40.21 Quit ddalton ("I was using BOFHNet IRC version 1.2 by fmillion - get your copy today from http://www.the-bofh.com/bofhnet/irc !") 10.41.12 Quit kubiix ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 10.45.38 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 10.45.48 # amiconn: I just have doubts about the Gain range - Rockbox SW-Codecs use -48 to 17 dB, but that would mean that Tracks with Replaygain 0 would be played back at less than one fifth of the original volume... I don't think that the Analog Volume can be cranked up enough to compensate that. So I'm thinking about Cutting of the Replaygain db values at, say 12dB... 10.52.34 Quit gtkspert (Remote closed the connection) 10.52.58 # Swcodec doesn't compensate automatically for the replaygain volume drop afaik. You have to crank up volume manually 10.53.04 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.53.17 # I never used replaygain though so I'm not sure 10.54.11 # amiconn: radio detection on x5 sounds like a good idea, hopefully it will work better than on fmrec :-) 10.54.21 Join gtkspert [0] (n=gtkspert@gateless.info) 10.54.30 # LinusN: What's wrong with it on fmrec? 10.54.42 # * amiconn has no fmrecorder... :/ 10.54.58 # we have a flyspray report about it failing to find the radio on the fmrec (on some devices) 10.55.12 # one of the oldest bug reports... 10.55.26 # and still valid 10.55.45 # hmm 10.56.28 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host207-219-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 10.56.36 # LinusN: In fact I would like to see radio detection implemented on sansa as well 10.56.58 # ah, of course 10.57.17 # (as iiuc the us models all have a radio, while the european models have it deactivated in firmware, but some still have it mounted) 10.58.03 Join webguest51 [0] (i=c0231115@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-85db0fa641700a4b) 10.59.23 # more thoughts on how to visualize the new ram size deltas? 10.59.25 # http://build.rockbox.org/cvsmod/sizes2.html 10.59.32 # ...uses two lines for each build 11.00.03 # amiconn: is sansa's a good dap (in your opinion)? How's manufacturing etc? I.e. how's the HW? Of course, the software is crap compared to RB :-) 11.00.05 # not very readable IMO 11.00.11 # I'm not sure a radio-button to select either one is the best choice 11.00.17 # pixelma: exactly 11.00.38 # ie: I don't have a sansa. Imho it's too bulky for a flash based dap 11.01.45 # I only have a player with a HDD and would like to buy a flash based one. And can't decide what should it be 11.02.06 # B4gder: The RAM delta is closer to the "resulting audio buffer size" delta, right? Except for codec (and voice file) size changes...? 11.02.17 # ie: i think it feels solid 11.02.29 # pondlife: yes 11.02.48 # So, do we need both deltas? Sounds like the RAM one would be most useful. 11.03.12 # B4gder: only feels? Or is as well? 11.03.16 # pondlife: the binary delta is important for archos 11.03.21 # Ah, yes 11.03.25 # since the files are compressed 11.03.58 # ie: I don't know really but I haven't heard much about hw-related problems 11.04.00 # And the H100 flashing too.. 11.06.16 # rasher: ping 11.06.29 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.dsl.t-2.net) 11.07.39 # rasher: never mind 11.07.46 # aka unping 11.07.57 Join Shaid [0] (i=shaid@203-214-125-189.dyn.iinet.net.au) 11.11.36 Join pLy`Br3iZh [0] (n=breizh@179.171.103-84.rev.gaoland.net) 11.12.55 # Hey 11.13.04 # i got a little problem 11.13.18 # My ipod video 30Go doesn't want to boot again 11.15.43 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodBoot#Recovering_from_a_crash ? 11.18.51 Join AceNik [0] (n=AceNik@117.98.3.159) 11.20.04 # Lol 11.20.08 # I'm so stupid 11.20.12 # I tried to reboot it 11.20.21 # But i was using menu and play boutons 11.20.23 # =/ 11.20.28 # thak you petur 11.20.39 # guys ive not made a build since a long time now about 10 days i guess, im getting an error that says "svnversion.sh: permission denied" & "buildzip.pl: permission denied" can you help please 11.22.12 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@tux.isd-internet.de) 11.22.17 # Good evening :) 11.22.33 # anyone? 11.23.03 # * petur slaps DerPapst with an old joke 11.23.17 # :P 11.24.23 Quit webguest51 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 11.24.27 # guys svnversion.sh : permission denied? 11.25.08 # AceNik: something changed at your end. Check the file permissions? Do you log in as another user? 11.26.01 # petur: no but i did install ubuntu on another drive , im using vmware in XP 11.26.19 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-208-214.student.uu.se) 11.29.21 # petur: i guess you had this problem a while ago , i googled, & did a chmod + x tools/svnversion.sh 11.29.30 # let c if it works now 11.30.00 # do a chmod -R 777 11.30.02 # :P 11.31.58 # its working now , but do i need to a oa chmod -R777 now that it works? 11.33.02 # with the ":P" at the end, I don't think DerPapst was serious... 11.33.57 # ya i saw that later 11.34.01 # AceNik: no 11.37.53 # amiconn: yes, the Gigabeat ADC is 10-bit 11.39.10 Join webguest51 [0] (i=c0231115@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7038bf37cea45e74) 11.39.47 Join _kch_ [0] (n=kch@250.Red-80-34-94.staticIP.rima-tde.net) 11.40.40 # pipoka: markun is here now... 11.40.56 # <_kch_> I have an ipod nano with a damaged screen (the top two lines are always blank). Is it possible to add two blank lines at the begining of any menu? 11.40.57 # pipoka: I also wouldn't know what's causing your problem. You are sure there's just 1 partition and it's not NTFS? 11.41.00 Part AceNik 11.41.05 # petur: I was typing already :) 11.41.20 # markun: Thanks. I figured it from the scale factor, and implemented powermgmt-meg-fx.c accordingly 11.41.52 # amiconn: do you think the battery reading could be a bit more accurate now? 11.42.52 # There won't be +/-1 rounding errors anymore. Nothing really important though 11.46.07 # * amiconn will change battery adc precision to 10 bit on H300, like it is done on the iaudios 11.47.42 Join datasleep [0] (n=datachil@217-208-144-87-no75.tbcn.telia.com) 11.48.12 Quit datachild (Nick collision from services.) 11.51.07 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 11.53.58 Join parafin [0] (i=parafin@paraf.in) 12.01.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.01.51 # any idea why would rockbox suddenly start to forget my settings? 12.02.25 # is there a config.cfg in .rockbox? 12.04.22 # let me see 12.04.46 # yes 12.05.03 # is it readable and does it contain your settings? 12.05.14 # it's 74 bytes 12.05.20 # (and binary) 12.06.12 # DerPapst, petur: actually I did that on my first installation of ubuntu(linux in general) on my PC, after I was annoyed to all those "access denied" messages. A very quick and easy way to destroy your linux installation if you do it on root 12.06.18 # the thing never booted again 12.07.09 # ender`: it should be plaintext and contain your settings 12.07.40 # ender`: in a readable param:value form 12.07.40 # ok, i'll try deleting it 12.08.07 # when your settings are as you want them, make a backup copy ;) 12.08.36 # ah it was pixelma that commented on "chmod" not petur 12.08.51 # np 12.09.29 # the first one was DerPapst... 12.11.03 # <_kch_> I have an ipod nano with a damaged screen (the top two lines are always blank). Is it possible to add two blank lines at the begining of any menu? 12.12.04 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A7368.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.15.31 # everything is possible 12.15.38 # so get coding 12.15.39 # heh 12.15.56 # i would never do chmod 777 on my whole system 12.16.29 # _kch_: maybe you can change the HEIGHT define and write a fix in the lcd driver so you get a smaller screen 12.16.33 # but if i accidently co'ed rockbox svn as root i'd probably chmod 777 trunk :P 12.16.57 # _kch_: but none of the wps would still work ok of course... 12.17.26 # and i bet some stuff would glitch pretty badly 12.17.28 # <_kch_> petur, i've already hack a wps theme, y only miss the tow first lines of each menu entry 12.17.55 # preglow: why? 12.18.02 # just a feeling :> 12.18.33 # preglow: it shouldn't, the height isn't hardcoded anywhere except using the define 12.18.53 # 2 lines - as 2 in pixel rows? Or two lines of text 12.18.56 # <_kch_> petur, if i can find the place where to put two empty line at the begining of each menu will be enough for me 12.20.10 # DerPapst: I did that as well! :P chmod worked wonders on that :) 12.20.40 # petur: wouldn't one need to define an offset? Aren't the coordinates measured from the top left corner? 12.20.59 # <_kch_> but I don't not understand the way the menu lines are printed. Could you give me a hint or an example where a line is printed? 12.21.18 # I would hack that in the lcd driver (the offset) 12.21.34 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@82.112.141.33) 12.21.40 # _kch_: are only the 2 first pixel rows defective or is it more than that 12.22.04 # _kch_: almost nobody understands the menu and settings code :) 12.22.16 # <_kch_> pixelma, no they should be around 20 pixels (two text lines with 10pt fonts more or less) 12.22.39 # whoa 12.22.46 # that's a lot 12.23.07 # <_kch_> not so bad, the wps looks fine :) 12.23.39 # better follow peturs advice. :P 12.24.02 # <_kch_> the problem is, for example, when the on screen keyboard appear I can't see the firsts rows of it 12.24.54 # just change the HEIGTH define and hack an offest in the LCD driver 12.25.07 # the first is easy 12.25.11 # the second... 12.25.23 # i wouldn't know how to do it ;) 12.25.55 # <_kch_> and this is easier than adding two "printf()" at the beguining of each menu? 12.26.38 # _kch_: the problem with your approach is that you will need to do it in many places and it depends on the font size 12.26.40 # <_kch_> whoa, the menu code should be awful 12.26.53 # well it would save you further work when menus change too 12.27.39 # <_kch_> ok, i see but as DerPapst says... it doesn't sound easy to hack the LCD driver 12.28.01 # lunch! 12.28.11 # i haven't looked at it 12.28.26 # any my skills in c are.. well... not so good :P 12.28.33 # s/any/and 12.29.28 # <_kch_> ok, thanks. I would try to understand how this driver works 12.32.06 Join GodEater [0] (n=bryan@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 12.32.53 # _kch_: dunno but i think \firmware\target\arm\ipod\lcd-color_nano.c the function lcd_blit seems a good starting point (line 145) 12.33.23 # Hi GodEater :) 12.33.36 # smb uses albumart? 12.34.40 # _kch_: or maybe all the functions below that :P 12.37.27 # DerPapst: I'd never chmod 777 large amounts of files, unless they're intended to be shared. In case of a wrong checkout I'd either scrap it and re-checkout, or use chown 12.38.18 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 12.38.19 # groups in unix is very usefull for sharing files 12.38.22 # DerPapst: lcd_blit() does nothing on colour targets 12.38.43 # ^is^are 12.38.59 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@ip-89-103-17-41.karneval.cz) 12.40.12 # amiconn: chown sounds like a better solution indeed ;) 12.40.29 # lcd_blit() is for the nano isn't it? 12.40.44 # * parafin is away: away 12.40.52 # nope. Re-read my comment 12.41.33 # <_kch_> i'm not familiar at all on how LCD system works, so I first need to read a lot about how it is writen on it. Thanks anyway DerPapst 12.41.44 Join Crash91 [0] (i=510a6f0d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0049c382e8c57e9e) 12.41.47 # and why is it in the source file when neither the nano nor the color iPod uses this function? 12.41.48 # hi guys 12.42.06 # * DerPapst is confused 12.43.13 # does anyone here use a microSD card with their sansa? 12.43.36 # im going to buy one, and was wondering how rb handles it compared to the OF..... 12.45.04 Quit Crash91 (Client Quit) 12.45.42 # DerPapst: It's an empty function on colour because it is in the plugin api, and it was thought that it might become implemented for colour 12.46.01 # But now it looks like that won't happen. 12.46.27 # The standard lcd update functions are lcd_update() and lcd_update_rect() - for all targets 12.47.07 # lcd_blit() blits directly from an external buffer (on mono and greyscale targets). This is used for the grayscale lib and video.rock 12.47.20 # meg.. i missed the closing }\ 12.47.25 # :P 12.48.02 Join zanq [0] (i=zanq@ppp121-45-112-115.lns11.adl6.internode.on.net) 12.48.31 # anyone awake? 12.49.24 # * GodEater pinches himself to check 12.49.29 # amiconn: so basicly all _kch_ has to change is line 500? From lcd_update_rect(0, 0, LCD_WIDTH, LCD_HEIGHT); to eg lcd_update_rect(0, 20, LCD_WIDTH, LCD_HEIGHT); ? 12.50.17 # DerPapst: dont think so 12.50.18 # i was about to bitch for help: but i'll check the trusty FAQ first. 12.50.53 Join fairway [0] (n=fairway@edu-36.85.zhwin.ch) 12.50.58 # hello all 12.51.13 # does itunes only support track-based replay-gain? 12.55.46 # jbit: mmhh.. looks like it could work if you reduce the LCD_HEIGHT by 20 as well 12.57.57 # It will require reducing LCD_HEIGHT, and taking the offset into account in lcd_update_rect() 12.58.54 # i thought that is what x0 and y0 are for 12.59.14 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 12.59.43 # DerPapst: that specifies the source and destination 12.59.50 # (from what i can see) 13.00.08 Nick Arathis is now known as Arathis|afk (n=doerk@p508A7368.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.00.28 # ah ok 13.01.28 # so the one of the 2 for loops then? from "for (r = 0; r < h; r++) {" to "for (r = 20; r < h; r++) {" 13.01.45 # anyways... isn't my problem :P 13.06.48 Quit ie ("CGI:IRC") 13.07.05 # <_kch_> thanks for your investigation DerPapst 13.07.08 # <_kch_> :) 13.08.39 # ;) 13.11.06 Quit fairway () 13.12.25 # * parafin is back (gone 00:31:41) 13.12.59 # ok, time for some posting to tracker 13.13.23 # wtf 13.13.31 # recording just told me my disk is full 13.13.33 # it's not... 13.14.24 # preglow: weird, it has been reported before (even in the tracker iirc) 13.14.35 Quit barrywardell () 13.14.41 # force a disk scan? 13.14.43 # linux and rockbox doesn't seem to agree on how much is left... 13.14.54 # ten megs... 13.15.07 # i wonder what the hell is up with this 13.15.32 # doesn't rockbox update the number of free clusters? 13.16.39 Join all999 [0] (i=3ee9a352@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9cf3b9fa788e0e00) 13.17.23 Quit all999 (Client Quit) 13.19.44 # hmm, doesn't rockbox save stuff in recordings/ anymore? 13.20.17 # it's configurable now 13.20.27 # i got R_LINE_0001.wav straight on the root now 13.20.31 # not by default 13.20.40 # select a dir in the browser and use the context menu 13.21.26 # the default seems wrong, it shouldn't use the root 13.22.19 Quit lucaferr ("Peace and Protection 4.22.2") 13.22.44 # that's because it was the only way to set the root as recording dir 13.23.28 # i don't get why that should be configurable 13.23.43 # good old feature bloat 13.25.24 # I find it quite handy for recording on the MMC for example - the only way before was "current directory" but I always hated to loose control because it could end up everywhere when you don't remember and browsed a bit before 13.25.45 # yeah, mmc/sd is a good reason for it 13.26.09 # preglow: many users asked for it... 13.26.27 # maybe not many but some ;) 13.26.50 # preglow: there was an even more complicated patch in the tracker for it... 13.28.22 # hrm 13.28.34 # seems this phono amp business is doomed 13.29.17 # the un-deemphasised sound sounds better than the deemphasised one :/( 13.29.47 Quit Rick ("I… don't need to be here.") 13.29.48 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host89-210-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 13.30.28 # i wonder if this is because of the h120 line in or what 13.30.49 Join Gibbed [0] (i=rick@pool-96-229-91-46.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 13.31.56 Nick Gibbed is now known as Rick (i=rick@pool-96-229-91-46.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 13.31.59 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54964B1C.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.33.41 # wtf, the "start above" and "stop below" settings in the trigger screen are inited to "db" values, but change to % values when i change them 13.37.49 Quit DerPapst ("So Long And Thanks For All The Fish!") 13.38.47 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@tux.isd-internet.de) 13.47.54 Quit webguest51 ("CGI:IRC") 13.48.14 # hm 13.48.22 # there is smth wrong with tracker 13.48.31 # Warning: mime_magic: invalid type 0 in mconvert(). in /usr/share/flyspray/htdocs/includes/class.flyspray.php on line 967 Warning: mime_magic: invalid type 0 in mconvert(). in /usr/share/flyspray/htdocs/includes/class.flyspray.php on line 967 Warning: mime_magic: invalid type 0 in mconvert(). in 13.48.34 # ... 13.49.27 # when i added comment with patch 13.50.01 # Anyway - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4840 here i go 13.53.00 # * petur looks at Zagor 13.53.14 # * Zagor stares back 13.53.30 # * petur points 4 lines up 13.54.55 # mueh, that thing again. well at least the patch got uploaded :-) 13.56.55 Join MySic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 13.57.15 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@westquad-188-46.reshall.umich.edu) 14.00.36 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 14.00.54 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 14.00.58 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.01.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.01.56 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5744 - this is really good idea, imho. 14.05.07 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5855 - this is good patch too and no harm done :) 14.05.58 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c58-109-97-210.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au) 14.08.10 Quit parafin ("So long and thanks for all the fish") 14.09.44 # D: he stole my quitmessage (or probably uses kirc :P) 14.10.02 # 42 14.10.11 # he stole my fish! 14.11.23 Join ddalton [0] (n=daniel@203-214-50-20.dyn.iinet.net.au) 14.12.27 Quit midgey () 14.14.56 Join parafin [0] (i=parafin@paraf.in) 14.17.38 Nick datasleep is now known as datachild (n=datachil@217-208-144-87-no75.tbcn.telia.com) 14.22.00 Quit ddalton ("I was using BOFHNet IRC version 1.2 by fmillion - get your copy today from http://www.the-bofh.com/bofhnet/irc !") 14.27.16 Join rogelio [0] (n=rogelio@189.146.222.125) 14.27.52 Part rogelio ("Kopete 0.12.4 : http://kopete.kde.org") 14.30.25 # Later... 14.30.30 Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 14.31.40 Join tedr0ck [0] (n=tedrock@d235-159-230.home1.cgocable.net) 14.35.34 Quit tedrock (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.39.00 # why this patch not in official tree: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2954 ? 14.39.53 # see viewports 14.40.10 # parafin: because it implements it in a way that we don't like 14.53.28 Join kravlin [0] (i=18095daa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a47e3771916ea16b) 14.54.31 # I keep seeing something about a patched build of rockbox to use album art in the Themes section. Could someone explain? 14.54.54 # kravlin: look in the unsupported builds section of the forums 14.56.01 # GodEater: thanks. 14.57.04 Quit kravlin (Client Quit) 14.57.54 # can someone help me with album art patch btw? i use slant theme and album art draws as 100x97 but should be 100x100, so 3 top lines are missing 15.01.47 Quit aliask (Remote closed the connection) 15.02.26 Join cayetano1 [0] (n=carlos12@d83-189-82-31.cust.tele2.de) 15.02.27 # parafin: you should probably try to ask the creator of the patch 15.02.44 # noone here uses it? :) 15.03.56 # * amiconn really wonders why album art seems to be so popular 15.05.00 # amiconn: it could be that people like having the album cover in the wps :-P 15.05.13 # amiconn: yeah, it's a pretty stupid feature for a dap IMO 15.05.28 # * GodEater won't ever bother using it either 15.06.45 # Imo it's nice to have, but no way a priority 15.06.48 # i think it's one of those "neat" features 15.07.03 # * n1s wonders if anyone will actually make an album art implementation using MoB when it gets in... 15.07.11 # If I want to see the album cover, I can still browse and use the jpg viewer 15.07.37 # didn't Nico write the original AA feature ? 15.08.18 # GodEater: I guess he'll do it then :-) 15.09.08 # I suspect so ;) 15.09.34 # well there is usability and there is good-looking 15.09.42 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c58-109-97-210.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au) 15.09.43 # album art is about good-looking :) 15.09.51 # we care much more about the former than the latter 15.10.02 # i can tell :) 15.10.05 # isn't a DAP about good-sounding ? :) 15.10.11 # is to me 15.10.20 # it spends all day in my pocket 15.10.25 # I don't give a rats ass what it looks like 15.10.43 # yeah, good-sounding is too, but there is no problem with that :) 15.10.48 # in rockbox 15.10.50 # same here :) (except for hte games when I take the train/bus and don't have anything to read) 15.11.13 # my bus journey features cute women to look at :) 15.11.23 # cute women > album art 15.11.36 # :) 15.11.37 # what, in England? 15.11.40 # * petur ducks 15.11.41 # well, rockbox is media-player, and now most of them displays album art 15.12.30 # yeah, why even have a WPS, you can use the playlist viewer to see what is playing 15.12.34 # Rockbox is an audio player, not a mediaplayer 15.12.54 # well, why there is jpeg viewer than? :) 15.13.01 # and even mpegplayer 15.13.13 # those are plugins, not core features 15.13.19 # parafin: we have games too, but rockbox is no portable gaming system 15.13.42 # not yet ;) 15.13.50 # well than album art is one of those nice bonus features of rockbox 15.14.11 # just need tv out and usb host... could make quite a nice game system :P 15.14.14 # and people like that one 15.14.20 # Rockbox *might* become a media player in case it gets ported to a dmp. But that didn't happen yet 15.14.27 # it should be possible to run Quake on the Gigabeat S :-) 15.14.35 # hehe 15.15.02 Join webguest29 [0] (i=40d329c2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ea74b287a660bc02) 15.15.10 # Quake 3 15.15.55 # I did an LCD framerate test today - 274.5. How does that stack against the Gigabeat F/X? 15.16.12 # aliask: there's a wiki page somewhere 15.16.14 # It's the fastest rate so far - for a colour target 15.16.22 # But the gigabeat f/x isn't in the wiki page 15.16.26 # ah 15.16.41 # H100 has a rediculously high fps 15.16.55 # over 3000 fps for 1/4 screen update :P 15.16.59 # Yes, parallel i/f and only 2bpp 15.17.07 # M5 has the same rate 15.17.12 # Hello all. I am looking for help with my sansa e200. 15.17.17 # how do you count framerate? 15.17.42 # lcd refreshing only 15.17.53 # (sending data to lcd) 15.17.58 # well with what plugin/tool? 15.18.13 # Are there any sansa users on the channel? 15.18.16 # test_fps 15.18.27 # parafin: it's not build normally 15.18.33 # you have to enable it 15.18.48 # in SOURCES 15.18.54 # aliask: see commit message here http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=13393 seems to be about as fast as the S 15.18.59 # petur, i see 15.20.06 # webguest29: just ask your question 15.20.25 Quit MySic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 15.20.40 # n1s: Ah, thanks. 15.21.17 # My player freezes on the refresh database screen when booting to the OF. This prevents me from accessing the player over USB. 15.21.29 # I can connect to the player in recovery mode. 15.21.43 # What I notice is that on the recovery partition the VERSION.TXT is corrupted. 15.22.34 # If I put a version.txt from anythingbutipod forum on the partition, I can run a program that is supposed to format the player and reinstall the OF. 15.22.40 Join xorAxAx [0] (n=xorAxax@moinmoin/coreteam/alexander) 15.22.43 # However, this program doesn't work correctly. 15.22.55 # hmm, the battery of my nano 1st generation ran empty and now it says "use itunes to restore" 15.23.02 # when using ipodpatcher, i get io errors 15.23.09 # My player always boots to either rockbox or the version of the OF that is having the refresh database problem. 15.23.28 # i think i already had this scenario once and used itunes and then ipodpatcher to get it working again 15.23.37 # The recovery mode procedures that seem to work for others are not working for me. 15.23.41 # does anybody know why this happens? 15.24.28 # maybe half-written flash blocks and broken battery low check in rockbox? 15.25.30 # xorAxAx: that wouldn't explain the IO errors from ipodpatcher though 15.25.40 # since Rockbox doesn't write anything to the 1st partition 15.25.55 # hmm 15.26.10 # dmesg showed errors as well on the first partition (i guess automounter trying to automount) 15.26.24 # you should probably let the ipod charge a bit before doing stuff with it 15.26.25 # why would automounter be trying to mount it ? 15.26.29 # it has no file system 15.26.32 # jbit: its fully charged 15.26.33 # i've noticed ipods are super flakey when they have low battery 15.26.36 # ah okay :) 15.26.42 # GodEater: well, its figuring that out while trying i guess :) 15.27.01 # it should just look at the partition type label and not even go any further 15.27.09 # *shrugÜ 15.27.12 # I don't get any such error from my 5.5G 15.27.51 # ipod video got only 22.5 fps 1/1 and 46 1/4 ... not much i guess 15.28.48 # strange, but it seems to be bug in theme about those 3 lines 15.29.31 # or more exactly using bmpresize fixes this bug 15.29.47 # does anybody know much about the portal players memory managment system? since it's arm7tdmi based it doesn't have normal cp15 mmu/fcse right? 15.29.54 # GodEater: the werid thing is that the reset stuff of the apple flasher will probably fix it again 15.30.11 # xorAxAx: I believe you 15.30.25 # xorAxAx: I'm just saying I doubt the cause is as simple as you thought 15.30.34 # yes 15.31.00 Join sarixe [0] (n=sarixe@ool-435403e9.dyn.optonline.net) 15.32.21 # also - depending on how comfortable you are in linux, I wouldn't use iTunes to do the restore, since it'll wipe your music 15.33.03 # * parafin is proud that he hasn't ever used itunes =)) 15.33.16 # it's not easy to use 15.33.28 # a lot of bs to wade thru 15.35.49 # anyone here with 0xc0005 hw rev ipod nano? 15.36.38 # GodEater: hmm, i have an bootloader-ipodnano.ipod file 15.36.49 # GodEater: what do you suggest to fix this issue? :) 15.36.53 # (yes, i am running linux) 15.39.03 # xorAxAx: I'd do the bit of the http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=IpodManualRestore that doesn't involve formatting your music partition 15.39.18 # and possibly also not bother with the MBR bit either 15.39.22 # just do the .ipsw bits 15.39.36 # (i.e. steps 2,3 and 4) 15.39.46 # that'll do the firmware flash, without wiping your music 15.40.39 # hmm, felix's site lists 2 firmware versions for the 1G nano 15.41.09 # * xorAxAx chooses the one with the highest number :) 15.43.09 # ok, rom flashing 15.43.51 # up and running :) 15.44.32 # hmmm 15.44.58 # LinusN: I'm not sure for what part(s) I should/could add myself as a maintainer 15.45.36 # E.g. the targets - it says "if you use them on a daily basis" - but obviously I cannot use all my targets on a daily basis 15.45.44 Quit webguest29 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 15.46.12 # amiconn: i was wondering about that too :-) 15.46.28 Nick lost|X40 is now known as lostnihilist (n=lostnihi@ppp-68-251-35-19.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) 15.47.24 # And my usage habits change over time. I tend to use those targets most which I am working on at that time (or vice versa) 15.48.29 Quit B4gder ("It is time to say MOOO") 15.50.17 # amiconn: just list yourself as a consultant then ;) 15.53.16 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 15.56.30 Part LinusN 15.57.46 Quit cayetano1 ("Konversation terminated!") 15.57.55 Quit hcs ("Leaving.") 15.58.04 # ugh 15.58.06 # crash 15.58.08 # "data abort" 15.58.19 # 40001324 16.00.16 # after changing the time and going into the playing mode again 16.00.47 # xorAxAx: see if you can find that address in the map file :) 16.01.05 # where is the map? 16.01.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.02.08 # xorAxAx: you said you have a nano? 16.02.14 # yes 16.03.37 # pixelma: why? 16.05.03 # some nanos have problems with the recent builds, unfortunately the reason's not found yet. I'm trying to dig the forum thread where you can find some information and the latest build that was working ok for most of the people - I think yours may have the same problem 16.05.16 # hmm, ok 16.05.52 # I think the reason can't be found without someone having a problematic nano and a clue stepping forward 16.06.11 # how do you debug these devices? 16.06.16 # strange 16.06.26 # console via the connector? 16.06.31 # i found why album art was truncated 16.06.35 # xorAxAx: lord no 16.06.45 # but? :) 16.07.00 # heaps of "printf()" equiavalents 16.07.05 # and dumping stuff to disk usually 16.07.09 # oh 16.07.23 # wouldnt some kind of serial console debugger be more usable? :) 16.07.24 # some devices have JTAG connectors which allow a bit more useful debugging 16.07.28 # but not the Nano as far as we know 16.07.39 # the problem is the undocumented hardware in the PP 16.07.41 # hmm, doesnt jtag need special software? 16.07.44 # ah 16.07.56 # xorAxAx: No idea - LinusN is the expert :) 16.09.30 # here's the thread http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=11504.75 - can't find the info about the latest working build atm, but maybe you can if you read more thouroughly 16.12.35 # well, according to #7510 the problematic changeset was found 16.13.58 # GodEater: where is the map file? 16.15.30 # should be in the .zip file I think 16.16.40 # yeah, i fixed slant theme 16.16.47 # what does %C do in wps? 16.17.14 # isn't that a "developers thing" only? I mean not provided in a zip from the download site? 16.17.27 # GodEater: cant find it 16.17.54 # parafin: I believe that has to do with album art (if it's the uppercase C) 16.19.15 # hmm, nano is playing fine 16.19.16 Quit sarixe ("Peace") 16.19.34 # i dont think that the bug caused the crash 16.19.57 # maybe it was something overflowing because the 6 year time travel 16.20.10 # pixelma, yeah, thanx, i found it 16.20.22 # so blank lines matter in wps... 16.21.30 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 16.22.09 Join sarixe [0] (n=sarixe@ool-435403e9.dyn.optonline.net) 16.24.25 # crash 16.24.43 # this time it shut itself off 16.24.52 # hmm, its kind of warmer than usual 16.26.44 Quit sarixe (Client Quit) 16.29.23 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.29.30 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=d556da1b@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 16.31.07 # amiconn: Regarding the target maintainers, the intention when I wrote "on a daily basis" was to try and find people who use that target as their main DAP. But if you can think of a better definition for a target maintainer, please change it. 16.32.07 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 16.32.31 # yeah, that'd disqualify me as both a nano maintainer and a h120 maintainer, heh 16.33.27 Quit idnar (Nick collision from services.) 16.33.30 Join idnar_ [0] (n=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 16.33.50 Nick idnar_ is now known as idnar (n=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 16.35.19 Quit zanq () 16.35.36 Join sarixe [0] (n=sarixe@ool-435403e9.dyn.optonline.net) 16.41.40 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007073113]") 16.43.18 Quit BobShield (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.44.42 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 16.49.10 Join BobShield [0] (i=rshield@c-24-15-123-57.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 16.50.30 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.51.11 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 16.56.52 Quit petur ("connection reset by beer") 17.00.37 Quit pipoka (Remote closed the connection) 17.02.40 Join DefineByte [0] (i=5751c305@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7f578a9f14486553) 17.03.52 Quit DefineByte (Client Quit) 17.04.23 Join DefineByte [0] (i=5751c305@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0339be1cde4a78bb) 17.06.27 Quit DefineByte (Client Quit) 17.06.28 # linuxstb: Hehe, then I can't add myself as a target maintainer, as I have no fixed main dap 17.06.49 # Quite difficult to select a main one from a pool of 10 ;) 17.07.35 Join DefineByte [0] (i=5751c305@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3adeb2b0135c67b7) 17.11.59 Quit DefineByte (Client Quit) 17.12.40 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-024-162-254-070.nc.res.rr.com) 17.24.27 # Good bye :) 17.24.36 Quit DerPapst ("no fish today :-(") 17.30.05 # * pondlife thinks "Show Supported Files" should include all types configured for viewers (even .tzx files) 17.32.13 # It does, if the viewer is included on the respective target 17.32.23 Quit Arathis|afk ("Verlassend") 17.32.47 # Hmm, shouldn't H300 include zxbox? 17.33.02 # The H300 sim does! 17.33.17 # * pondlife will check 17.34.06 # Nope, it's not there. 17.34.40 # Checked viewers.config? 17.36.36 # Yep, it's in there... 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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 18.09.07 # we dont really deal with hardware here, cehck on misticriver 18.11.10 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@38.98.196.75) 18.13.48 Part xorAxAx ("Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!") 18.14.08 # wow flashing hthe e200 was really easy 18.14.20 # at0m|c: rplacement batteries for ipod 1G and 2G fit the h300, you just have to reverse the polarity of the connector 18.15.50 # also be aware that they might balloon, (a Bad Thing (tm)) 18.16.39 # mine ballooned =\ 18.24.17 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 18.28.25 Quit advcomp2019 ("Leaving") 18.28.42 Join Falen [0] (n=chatzill@81-237-250-56-no147.tbcn.telia.com) 18.29.05 # Hello! 18.29.39 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 18.30.19 Join wwalker [0] (n=wwalker@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/wwalker) 18.30.24 # Anybody know about any good C/C++ forum community? 18.31.39 # try #c++ 18.31.41 # anyone got a Sanasa e250 or similar? It appears that FM tuning is off a little bit... 18.33.56 Quit thegeek (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.35.41 Join e102gamma [0] (i=5751c305@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ee77d017342f953a) 18.37.55 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s189a.studby.ntnu.no) 18.38.26 Quit thegeek (Client Quit) 18.39.23 Join rotator [0] (n=e@rockbox/developer/rotator) 18.39.53 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s189a.studby.ntnu.no) 18.41.09 Quit e102gamma ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 18.41.30 Quit thegeek (Client Quit) 18.41.38 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s189a.studby.ntnu.no) 18.44.23 Quit thegeek (Client Quit) 18.46.13 Quit DefineByte (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.47.32 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 19.01.29 Join DefineByte [0] (n=DefineBy@bb-87-81-195-5.ukonline.co.uk) 19.03.11 Join perrikwp [0] (n=chatzill@74.167.148.160) 19.04.33 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.04.41 # does "CONFIG_BACKLIGHT==BL_IPODNANO" mean anything to anyone? I realise it's deprecated since april but what should i be replacing it with? 19.06.40 Join pipoka [0] (i=xiybo@c911d1c2.bhz.virtua.com.br) 19.10.57 Nick sbeh is now known as gentoo (i=sbeh@serverstaff.de) 19.11.04 Nick gentoo is now known as sbeh (i=sbeh@serverstaff.de) 19.15.27 # no-one here knows the backlight code/it was a stupid question/i'm too impatient. delete as applicable 19.22.13 # nls: cheers, those seem most common indeed. will look some further, for hopefully higher capacity 19.23.54 Part DefineByte 19.26.04 Join thegeek [0] (n=nnscript@s189a.studby.ntnu.no) 19.27.13 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@82.112.141.33) 19.40.52 Join chrisjs169 [0] (n=chrisjs@pool-71-254-214-208.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) 19.44.58 # linuxstb: there is someone on the forums claiming to have put the nano bootloader on a 5.5g. 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I mean in the english.lang... 20.20.59 Quit thegeek () 20.29.28 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A633A.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.35.48 Quit ompaul ("have fun") 20.38.33 # Febs: do you mean "shouldn't" in the latest forum post? ;) 20.39.09 # or maybe I'm misunderstanding... 20.39.22 Join Wofl [0] (n=nils@ip68-97-21-133.ok.ok.cox.net) 20.39.28 # No, you're right. Fixed. Thanks! 20.40.13 # heh, I was just wondering :) 20.41.03 Join thegeek [0] (n=nnscript@s189a.studby.ntnu.no) 20.43.17 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 20.44.59 # Febs: Anything's possible if you try hard enough - e.g. use the old install method (ipod_fw). But I doubt that happened - the poster seems very confused... 20.51.10 # linuxstb: Btw, today I realised that all ipods must have the ability for disk poweroff in hardware. How else would suspend work? The disk would continue drawing 10..20mA ... 20.51.35 # So it's just a matter of figuring out how it's controlled... 20.52.37 # Did you find the suspend function in the 1g/2g firmware? 20.53.10 # Sure. I already talked about it in here (before you went offline for >1 week) 20.53.24 # I even hacked the asm function into rockbox, and it works 20.53.41 # (but that's not committable of course) 20.54.00 # I was asking because I was wondering if you also found the disk power-off for the 1g/2g in the same place? (I know it's documented in the ipl wiki anyway). 20.54.52 # On the later ipods it's either a gpio pin (unlikely, otherwise ipl will (probable? eventually?) have found it, or one of the pcf50605 gpios, or a 3rd possibility: 20.55.32 # Iirc the pcf50605 can supply multiple output voltages, which can be switched on and off independently. Maybe it's one such voltage 20.56.07 # Maybe no-one in IPL looked for it? I'm assuming the only practical way to search is to hook up a multimeter and experiment.. 20.56.11 # The 1st/2nd gen disk poweroff is not handled in the suspend function. It must be in one of its callers 20.56.55 # The only practical way is digging into a disassembly imo. 20.57.43 # But wouldn't that just narrow down the possibilities? You would still need to test things, and runtime tests would be painful. 20.58.22 # wouldn't just opening up the unit be quicker? 20.58.23 # Or maybe you're more skillful in understand disassemblies than me... 20.59.09 # Well, how would you experiment without disassembling first? Just switching gpios, hoping they are doing something useful and nothing potentially danbgerous? 20.59.40 # * linuxstb_ remembers barrywardell and his gpio experiments -> dead hard disk... 20.59.41 # The PP502x has too many GPIOs for this method to work, I think 21.00.05 # Btw, I suspect the H10 disk poweroff isn't working, at least on the small model 21.02.41 # Regarding reading of disassemblies, I think there are people who are way better than me in that 21.03.58 # Still, I found the lcd parameter table in the 1st/2nd gen rom and the minig2 rom. There's some complication in that parts of the rom are copied into iram at startup, so matching addresses needs a lot of offset calculatiions 21.04.06 Join aowzone [0] (i=4a841ae7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d3cb79e8319285e2) 21.05.04 # (and also into DRAM: the lcd parameter table itself is an example. It's part of the OF's data segment) 21.05.39 # amiconn: regarding the target maintainers, maybe it would be most useful if you put your name next to the devices only you (amongst the devs) own or have access to - 1g/2g ipods, M5, some of the Archoses? 21.06.10 Quit pipoka ("CyberScript - Breakfast of champions (www.cyberscript.org)") 21.06.48 # hmm 21.06.58 Join webguest23 [0] (i=94c9016f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3fcfafbbde3f2377) 21.07.11 # he doesn't always have access to the M5 ;) 21.07.31 # has development started on power management for 5.5g ipod? 21.07.33 # pixelma: Then you've just volunteered ;) 21.07.43 # pixelma: In fact you could put yourself as the M5 maintainer 21.08.06 # It's more a matter of using it regularly in order to notice bugs. 21.08.22 # haha... but I'm afraid I'm not much of help - I thought a maintainer would also be someone who could fix something in the code... 21.08.57 # ok, I think I'm quite good at finding bugs 21.09.06 Quit aowzone ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 21.09.47 # I'm not entirely sure, but my 3 usually most used targets are probably (in that order) archos Recorder, iriver H180, and archos Ondio FM 21.09.54 Join Ratty [0] (n=Rat@d47-69-6-70.try.wideopenwest.com) 21.10.40 # My least used target is probably the X5 (apart from the Ondio SP which is defective (but usable for quick tests)) 21.11.35 Quit webguest23 (Client Quit) 21.11.47 # Then I would say definitely put your name next to the recorder and Ondio - it's more a matter of trying to cover everything. The h1x0 hardly needs an explicit maintainer as almost every dev has one... 21.12.03 Join mexicankiller [0] (n=chatzill@189.175.9.168) 21.12.32 # so I could put my name to the M5 and the OndioFM too? 21.12.57 # Can I manually backup the IPOD by copying the Music folder off my IPOD to my pc ? This is a friends IPOD and the itunes that I have on my pc include no songs, and itunes wants me to auto-sync. The only problem now is that iTunes has locked the IPOD, and wont let me do anything with it, because I stopped it in the middle of a sync. Would copying that music folder in the IPOD control folder be good enough on backing up the music ? 21.13.50 # Ratty: That question doesn't seem related to Rockbox... 21.14.08 # i could put myself on a nano, i don't use it so much, but i've got one, ported rockbox to it and am familiar with it 21.14.14 # linuxstb, But I was curious as to if you would know though 21.14.35 # Ratty: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcGuidelines 21.14.52 Quit Falen ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518]") 21.14.56 # Ratty: I don't use itunes, so have no idea. 21.15.58 # Alright then, I cant access my IPOD to copy rockbox onto it, because iTunes has locked it. How do I unlock it, with auto-syncing it. 21.16.13 # Bagder: I just realised that the ram usage information is incomplete. It doesn't cover the rom-executed variants (H1x0, Player, Ondio SP atm) 21.16.19 # lmao 21.16.19 # amiconn: What about the 1g/2g? Did you say you were planning to get rid of them after you finished the ports? 21.16.54 # I won't get rid of them, but I will probably give one of them (the dual platter 2nd gen, upgraded to 40GB) to pixelma 21.17.12 # The other 2nd gen is currently unusable because of no hdd 21.17.13 # get the sandisk mp3 player 21.17.13 # Ratty: Uninstall itunes - it's not needed with Rockbox. Your ipod should then work as a normal external hard disk. 21.21.36 # Ratty: there is also an option somewhere in iTunes that lets you use the iPod as an external disk. I'm not sure exactly where, because I don't use iTunes much. 21.22.58 # Febs, Yeah the only problem is that it wants to auto-sync the b*tch each time I plug it in befor eI can do anything... Irritating 21.23.06 # Since it isny mine 21.23.30 # I'm sure that there is an option in iTunes to disable that "feature" as well. 21.23.49 # * amiconn knows at least one option for that ;) 21.24.04 # It's called uninstall 21.25.02 # CTRL + SHIFT +ALT should, but I have had no luck with it... Oh typical day in the life of a rat, do it the hard way 21.25.19 # Ratty: You can also disable autosync... 21.25.48 # linuxstb__ Yeah that is after you auto-sync it the first time 21.28.31 Join webguest08 [0] (i=466b9156@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a59895af426bf5e8) 21.28.33 Join ie [0] (i=d9b95454@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-49527f86648849bf) 21.29.50 # amiconn: today, I've been in a local store and have held Sansa E250 in my hands. And also found too bulky for a flash based player. 21.33.04 # it's actually shorter than my nano 21.33.06 # but thicker 21.33.57 # Thanks to Rockbox I am able to use a 15GB 3g Ipod with a bad disk sector in the firmware part of the HD, so couldn't load Ipod firmware via Itunes reset. 21.35.12 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 21.36.03 # But I have a question - I got 5 hours playback, which is good, but I am charging now - as soon as I put it into the cradle the indicator (NOT animated) showed 82% charged, and now after 20 mins it is at 100% - will it keep charging, as I know it needs about 5 hours for a top recharge. 21.39.03 # hmm 21.39.08 # can i do a full bad sector search from linux? 21.39.15 # a file on my h120 seems to be glitching badly 21.40.04 # preglow: yes, the thickness is what I didn't like 21.41.12 # ipod nano 2G has a nearly ideal size. Pity that it can only be fed via iTunes :-( 21.41.25 # hrm, when i try to read this one file, the disk just seems to retry again and again 21.41.54 # * preglow hopes this isn't the start of the end for his h120 :/ 21.43.12 # [127657.071623] sdb: Current: sense key: Medium Error 21.43.15 # :/ 21.44.24 # preglow: tried checkdisc or something? 21.44.47 # ie: i don't know of any such program for linux, only fsck, and that doesn't check for bad blocks 21.46.11 # there is a program called badblocks, though... 21.46.43 # preglow: hrm... I'm not a linux expert. But I can't believe that something of the kind doesn't exist 21.47.04 # running badblocks now 21.48.26 # man, i'll be depressed if my h120 is dying 21.49.58 # yes, that would be really bad. h120 is one of the best RB capable daps. Can you replace the HDD (I hope you won't need that though) 21.50.50 # preglow: time for a 30GB upgrade? 21.50.58 Join latchema [0] (n=Adam@104.28.125.91.gr6.adsl.brightview.com) 21.51.19 Quit iamben (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.51.30 # petur: how much do they charge for 30 gigs? 21.51.46 # how would I know? 21.51.51 Quit Wofl (Remote closed the connection) 21.51.56 # because you have upgraded yours? :> 21.52.07 # I only know that 80GB was expensive 21.52.10 # 40GB single platters are said to exist too 21.53.19 # petur: how much for that? 21.53.29 # about 220 euro 21.53.46 # about what i'd expect 21.53.49 # pixelma: but with other IF 21.53.53 # 40 gig would be nice 21.54.12 # preglow: or an iAudio X :-) 21.54.26 # no there were ones with the right connectors 21.56.01 # from our fine wiki: MK4007GAL (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement) 21.56.08 # ie: i like the recording capabilities of the h1x0 series 21.56.38 # but I doubt they are easy to get 21.56.45 Quit jgarvey (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.57.05 Join iamben [0] (n=ben@dpc67142179038.direcpc.com) 21.57.06 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-024-162-254-070.nc.res.rr.com) 21.57.38 # if i am to buy something else, i'll probably go gigabeat or something, heh 21.57.57 # for the recording capabilities? ;) 21.58.05 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@p54BD1AB2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.58.14 # Bon Soir :) 21.58.16 # for the horribly overspecced cpu :D 21.58.30 # then go gigabeat S ;-) 21.58.34 # might as well get a gigabeat s, though 21.58.36 # and help port 21.59.28 Quit Ratty ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 21.59.31 Quit perrikwp ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518]") 22.01.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.01.26 # They don't seem easy to find.. At least, I haven't spotted any in Europe. 22.01.31 Join Wofl [0] (n=nils@ip68-97-21-133.ok.ok.cox.net) 22.02.27 Quit Wofl (Remote closed the connection) 22.03.12 Join Wofl [0] (n=nils@ip68-97-21-133.ok.ok.cox.net) 22.05.09 Quit Wofl (Remote closed the connection) 22.05.33 # Would it be better for the .voice files to be distributed in a zip file with the correct path/filename? (reading this post - http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12038.msg92152;topicseen#msg92152 ) 22.05.44 Join Wofl [0] (n=nils@ip68-97-21-133.ok.ok.cox.net) 22.07.20 # badblocks just spat out about 20 sector numbers :/ 22.07.37 # consecutive, the lord be praised 22.08.33 # linuxstb: that might be a good idea indeed 22.08.40 Quit Febs ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518]") 22.13.46 Quit iamben (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.14.48 Quit webguest08 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.15.42 Quit ie ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.17.54 # I'll fix that "soon" 22.19.00 Join iamben [0] (n=ben@dpc67142179038.direcpc.com) 22.20.51 # badblocks says i have 66 bad blocks 22.21.32 Quit Wofl (Remote closed the connection) 22.21.47 Join Wofl [0] (n=nils@ip68-97-21-133.ok.ok.cox.net) 22.21.50 # is it possible to tell a fat part to don't use these blocks? 22.21.54 # i know ext2 can do it, but... 22.22.58 # fat can mark clusters as bad, so as long as the bad blocks are not in the fat area, it's possible 22.23.27 # But if a hdd has bad blocks showing up at that level, I wouldn't trust the disk at all anymore 22.23.34 # they're not 22.23.35 # and i don't 22.25.07 # All modern hdds hide bad blocks internally. If bad blocks start appearing at the os level, that menas there were already lots mapped out internally before, so many that the defects list is full 22.26.11 # yeah... 22.26.23 # geh, i should just get a h140 or something, this unit is starting to wear anyway 22.26.44 # preglow: MK3006GAL on ebay going for 40 euro (2nd hand) or 60-100 euro new 22.27.36 # There are even 60GB single platter disk (not from Toshiba for a change), but they're ZIF only 22.27.58 # we need that zif adapter ;) 22.28.05 # * amiconn wonders if/when small ata50->zif adapters will show up 22.28.19 # think i'd rather buy disks new just to be sure 22.28.29 # amiconn, the moment one makes one? 22.28.56 # tumu: I mean in somewhat larger quantities than homemade 22.29.27 # it isn't too difficult to get them made in bulk nowadays 22.30.02 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 22.30.59 Quit ctaylorr_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.32.37 Join einhirn [0] (n=Miranda@p5B0308C5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.32.57 # Hello. 22.35.35 # linuxstb_: busy? 22.37.22 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 22.38.23 # yes, not even ping got time to respond it seems ;-P 22.39.18 # hehe 22.41.43 Join kubiixaka [0] (n=Miranda@ip-89-103-17-41.karneval.cz) 22.46.30 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.47.07 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 22.47.07 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.49.13 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@westquad-188-46.reshall.umich.edu) 22.51.23 Join latchem1 [0] (n=Adam@240.11.gr6.adsl.brightview.com) 22.57.31 # Yay - Build environment setup successful - thanks to fine documentation 22.57.47 Join Derk [0] (i=derk@74-128-183-32.dhcp.insightbb.com) 22.58.30 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 23.01.13 Quit kubiix (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.03.06 # the current (as of an hour ago) svn revision built fine, and I already tested if I could support +17dB in Archos Replaygain ;) Yes, I can - I just reduced the changed the default Setting for "val_ll" and "val_lr" in sound.c to the new "0dB" value and tested - I can crank up the analog volume setting enough to restore the Volume I like on my earphones. 23.03.08 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 23.03.38 # Now to the automatic setting of gain values from track to track ;) 23.03.48 # * einhirn digs into the source code 23.04.07 # just remember to come up for air every now and then ;-) 23.04.10 # einhirn: In order to make up for the reduced digital reference level with replaygain, we can gain an additional 6dB in the analog part, by upping the mixer volume to maximum 23.04.35 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 23.04.43 # (on MAS35xxF that is, didn't check the MAS3507/DAC3550 pair yet) 23.04.59 # Ok, then users wouln't need to crank up their volumes? 23.05.07 # scorche: I'm around now... 23.06.09 # amiconn: but usually you have to crank up your volume when you enable Replaygain - at least thats what happened, when I first used it in FooBar... 23.06.25 Join DefineByte [0] (n=DefineBy@bb-87-81-195-5.ukonline.co.uk) 23.06.40 # You would still have to crank it up, but not as much 23.06.41 Quit desowin ("use linux") 23.06.51 # amiconn: So the additional +6dB would be a nice to have, but not mission critical ;) 23.06.59 # All we can do is (almost) 6dB extra 23.07.23 Quit latchema (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.08.10 # And - Replaygain recommends +6dB offset to the Values in the Tags for pop music anyway... 23.08.52 # So the digital volume would be reduced a little less (I like language ;) ) 23.09.19 # It's +5.95dB to be precise. Mixer volume is 7 bit (maximum is therefore 127), and the 0 dB setting is 64. 23.09.45 # But maybe the Replaygain offset should be user configurable (if it isn't already). 23.11.41 # Ok. First I'll try to implement what's necessary to change the Digital Volume Matrix from track to track, then maybe change the Analog volume - if the +5.95dB aren't needed as headroom for eg. Bass or Treble settings. 23.13.10 # I've read that crossfeed can increase the bass (I think) by up to 2dB. Is that right? 23.13.36 Quit midgey () 23.15.53 Join ToHellWithGA [0] (n=ryan@d6-96.rb2.clm.centurytel.net) 23.16.16 # in the current playlist i don't see a way to clear it. am i missing something obvious? 23.17.29 # why do you want to clear it? inserting a new track will create a new playlist. 23.23.49 # so "insert" isn't insert per se 23.23.58 # amiconn, why was CONFIG_BACKLIGHT (from config.h) multi-value? seems like it would just be a way of detecting a specific target. 23.24.14 # i'm used to mpd so i clear the playlist before adding new stuff 23.24.18 # no, queue is more like how you're thinking of insert 23.24.35 # also i don't quite get why things are left in the playlist sometimes and removed after play other times 23.24.38 # unless I'm mistaken. ^^ 23.25.04 # i'll download the .pdf manual and print it 4 pages per sheet on 11x17 on our awesome plotter here at work 23.25.20 # if i reuse paper it should only cost the boss toner 23.25.23 # sounds like a plan. :D 23.25.53 # watch for the deadly tonwer particles flying through the air 23.26.00 # toner/ 23.26.21 # is toner volatile? 23.27.01 # their was a recent study stating it was pretty dodgy stuff. gets into the lungs. 23.27.36 # there/ 23.27.49 # * petur spots talk drifting offtopic 23.28.06 # you about amiconn? 23.29.49 # just for petur: i used rockbox on the plane trip to new mexico for work and on the going there and coming back trips the folks next to me were interested in the "different-looking" display 23.30.21 # and if we're drifting off-topic, we might as well discuss beer! 23.30.26 # i'll check out some themes this weekend so i can shock even more people on the way to tennessee next week 23.31.48 # preglow: I want one... sat here all day syncing the lang file, almost done now... 23.32.17 # okay, if amiconn's not around, anyone else got any knowledge of the backlight code? 23.32.31 # pixelma: just had one... but that's all i have, unfortunately :/ 23.32.39 # sycning lang files, ahh... 23.32.43 # just did that twice, more than enough for me 23.32.46 # i made a 2 pm pot of coffee after a girl took me out to lunch but didn't eat (i guess she likes me XD) and am sitting at work after hours drinking it. 23.33.10 # beer would be nice, but i'm not going to start at 4:30pm on a friday 23.33.31 # pfff it's 23:33 here 23.34.17 # columbia, missouri, USA here 23.34.34 # DefineByte: What do you want to do? 23.35.00 # fridays are supposed to be half days but i just about lost my job by leaving the company's camera in the rental car on my first trip ever so i'm making up for lost time after the rental company overnighted it to us 23.35.02 # preglow: yeah, was much fun... especially because I wanted to have the order right and genlang couldn't cope with the renamed, semi-new strings 23.35.03 # preglow: if it makes you feel any better, I'm also out of beer (and too lazy to go to the shop now - yes, we have shops selling some beer open till 2 in the morning) 23.35.51 # DefineByte: It was multi-value because it defined which backlight code to use. App level only ever checked it for presence/absence 23.36.06 # It was removed when backlight handling got moved into target tree 23.36.18 Quit miepchen^schlaf ("Verlassend") 23.37.31 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 23.37.33 # i'm updating a patch that uses it and i was wondering if i could just remove it or if it needs replacing with something 23.37.43 # * petur wonders if miepchen^schlaf went to bed :) 23.37.49 # petur: curse you! 23.38.04 # i'm fondling in the dark really 23.38.13 # Depends on what the patch did with it 23.38.50 # it just tested it to see if the target was an ipod video/nano 23.39.17 # And on what level was that check done? (firmware or apps) 23.39.24 # just seemed a roundabout way to detect the target to me. 23.39.33 # firmware 23.39.47 # backlight.c 23.39.53 Quit BobShield (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.40.26 # Checking for a specific model is strongly discouraged, except in the target tree of course. That's why this multi-value thing existed, which was removed in favour of code in target tree 23.40.36 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@82.112.141.33) 23.41.07 # how many targets support pwm? 23.41.09 # This is because rockbox is multiplatform, and features should be implemented for all targets as far as the hardware allows it 23.41.21 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 23.42.22 # it was controlling the brightness with pwm, not sure how many targets support that at the mo 23.43.33 Quit robin0800 (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Wibbly Wobbly IRC") 23.43.38 # All which have HAVE_BACKLIGHT_PWM_FADING defined 23.44.08 # But this shouldn't be used for extended periods, especially not on coldfire targets 23.44.11 # that's what i was about to say, you could just test for that, job done 23.44.21 # ph 23.44.32 Quit kubiixaka ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 23.45.22 # i've heard talk of a better way but i don't know it 23.45.26 # This is software PWM, firing loads ióf interrupts while active. And on coldfire, it requires the CPU to stay boosted all the time. Not because it would be too slow at the lower clock frequency, but in order to ensure short-period timer stability 23.46.18 # The bootom of that is that it costs battery runtime. Some on PP targets, some more on coldfire. For fade in /fade out it's okay, but not for longer periods 23.47.27 # so the correct method for setting the backlight brightness is not currently known and pwm is best avoided? 23.47.42 # hmm, might forget it then 23.47.46 # amiconn: just reading the logs about the H10 disk poweroff. I'm fairly convinced it is working on my own H10. 23.47.52 # Not all targets allow setting the backlight brightness using hardware pwm 23.48.08 # On those targets where we know that and how it works, we use it 23.48.15 # like h300 23.48.30 # Yes, and X5 and Gigabeat 23.48.33 # the ipod video/nano supports it i think 23.48.36 # it improved battery life, and flipping the GPIO without spinning the disk down first gives a disconcerting 'click' 23.48.48 # barrywardell: You have the "big" H10, right? 23.48.56 Quit datachild (Client Quit) 23.48.56 # amiconn: yes, 20GB. 23.49.02 # it's just unknown (or so i've read,...a while ago) 23.49.03 # amiconn: it's not a standard feature of the pcf? 23.49.09 # I was talking about the small one 23.49.13 # so it's quite possible that it's different for other models 23.49.30 # petur: The pcf can do pwm, but the backlight is not necessarily controlled by the pcf 23.49.40 # petur: a short status update: integration of stack into rb is almost done. missing is 1) call of usb_stack_shutdown in apps 2) get settingscode done. The stack design for device driver part is done and I started working on storage driver. The problem with tx still exists (jhMikes tried is luck, but I got no success message from him - he was fighting with gpio interrups for the usb controller), but I will continue working on the st 23.49.43 # can you detect hardware pwm? 23.49.48 # ah, it depends on how they connected it 23.49.54 # amiconn: ah, ok. that's the first difference in the gpio stuff that I've seen so far between models 23.49.56 # And even if it is, some condenser can prevent it from working 23.50.37 # Back when backlight fading was new (introduced by Slasheri for H100), I tried porting it to archos player, which has a LED backlight controlled via a gpio pin 23.51.13 # austriancoder: ok, if you put a patch online I'll have a look some time tomorrow 23.51.16 # It didn't work. Backlight stayed on until the pwm duty cycle was reduced quite far. Then it started to flicker, but didn't fade 23.51.46 # petur: fine 23.51.57 # The routine itself was working perfectly, I verified it with the red LED (which we normally use for hdd activity), and which is also connected to gpio 23.52.03 # DefineByte: 19 11x17 pages. i feel like the anti-hippie 23.52.08 # austriancoder: nice :) 23.52.24 # my work goes through paper like trees are easy to come by anyway though :/ 23.52.33 # Nico_P: linux linked list works here fine :) 23.52.39 # how can you live with yourself? think of the trees! :p 23.53.07 # i now have a rockbox manual in 1/2 sheet form, 2 pages per half sheet. 70some pages thick at 8.5" wide by 5.5" tall 23.53.11 # austriancoder: I can imagine that... Is it in the core with your patch ? 23.53.12 # it is cute and a quarter 23.53.27 Part wwalker 23.54.03 # Nico_P: yes 23.54.30 # austriancoder: then i'll probably start switching to it once your patch will have been committed 23.54.41 # so HAVE_BACKLIGHT_PWM_FADING is it? no HAVE_HW_BACKLIGHT_PWM_FADING or some such? :( 23.55.34 # where is the shutdown function in rb? cant find it 23.55.38 # barrywardell: I didn't verify my theory yet, it's just a suspicion (because of the very short runtime - I got less than 4 hours runtime in actual usage) 23.56.20 # it sounds like the runtime is much worse on the small models 23.56.24 # where is all this kind of stuff documented? can't find it on the wiki. do you just have to traul through the code? >.> 23.56.49 # I get ~10 hours compared to ~15 with the OF 23.57.03 # DefineByte: If you want backlight adjustment on nano and know the OF can do it, so that there must be hardware support for it, then that hardware support needs to be figured out 23.57.04 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 23.57.24 # petur: I'm not sure I'll be able to come back here much before I leave for a vacation so I probably won't catch Llorean... could you tell him I'll be back on the 25th ? 23.57.40 # I think I mentioned it on my wiki page anyway but I'm not sure he reads it :) 23.57.52 # why not mail him? 23.57.59 # The channel is logged... and you can use memoserv as well... 23.58.51 # petur: yeah, I'll probably just do that... amiconn: true but I don't like to rely on people reading the logs