--- Log for 25.08.107 Server: niven.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 22 days and 12 hours ago 00.01.19 # amiconn: Would naming subsequent versions of the same language as $language-[number].voice be acceptable? I'm not quite sure what else to put 00.01.38 # I'd use $tts_opts, but that might contain god-knows-what 00.02.39 Join donutman25 [0] (n=chatzill@65.75.87.48) 00.03.56 # rasher: No it doesn't. Most engines output nothing 00.04.12 # and even if they do, wavtrim would trim it away 00.04.38 # Strange, haven't seen issues with the linux engines 00.04.55 # The old script checked for VOICE_PAUSE, and encoded a pre-made silence clip 00.04.58 # Oh well, shouldn't be hard to make it a special-case and include the pause from VoiceBuilding 00.05.10 Join andrewg867 [0] (n=andrew@stjhnf0124w-142162090045.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) 00.05.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.06.41 # amiconn: What do the \bs mean in MakeVoices.vbs? 00.07.44 # ATT_de_de.Add "ampere", "amper" 00.07.45 # ATT_de_de.Add "byte(s?)\b", "beit$1" 00.07.45 # ATT_de_de.Add "\bdezibel\b", "de-zibell" 00.07.45 DBUG Enqueued KICK rasher 00.07.45 # ATT_de_de.Add "energie\b", "ener-gie" 00.07.45 # ATT_de_de.Add "\bflash\b", "flÃ¤sh" 00.07.47 # ATT_de_de.Add "\bfirmware(s?)\b", "firmwer$1" 00.07.49 # ATT_de_de.Add "\bid3 tag\b", "id3 tÃ¤g" ' can't just use "tag" here 00.07.52 # ATT_de_de.Add "\bloudness\b", "laudness" 00.07.54 # ATT_de_de.Add "\bnumerisch\b", "numehrisch" 00.07.57 # ATT_de_de.Add "\brÃ¼cklauf\b", "rÃ¼ck-lauf" 00.07.59 # Erp! 00.08.02 # Sorry 00.08.25 # regex \b == word boundary 00.08.38 Quit andrewg877 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.08.44 # Ah, wonder if that goes for perl as well 00.08.53 # It's regex standard 00.09.02 # I love how there are a thousand different regex dialects 00.09.13 Quit yegods ("CGI:IRC 0.5.7 (2005/06/19)") 00.09.58 # I didn't encounter many so far... 00.10.20 # No \b in Perl regex' 00.10.29 # Ah, yes. 00.10.33 # Just not where I was looking 00.10.34 Join davina [0] (n=dave@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 00.12.11 # http://www.regular-expressions.info/reference.html 00.12.58 # The good thing about standards is that there are so many to pick from 00.13.17 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.13.51 # PHP alone includes two different dialects (perl and POSIX "extended") 00.14.21 # Most of the replacements for german are for words which should be pronounced like english, but not all 00.14.48 Join H10_007quick [0] (n=chatzill@mnet-ki-244-78-181.monarch.net) 00.14.52 # I'll just includes these as an example for how to include more. I wonder how expensive it'll be to do the matching 00.14.59 Quit H10_007quick (Client Quit) 00.15.24 # Some work around at&t quirks (e.g. the last two - if it wouldn't split "suchlauf" into "such-lauf", the engine speaks it "suchla-uf", and that sounds really strange 00.15.25 # Probably not very, most matches should fail pretty fast. Short strings, strict replacements. 00.15.58 # I wonder if it'd make sense to continue matching once a match has been found 00.16.49 # Might be, for example for italian, apparently replacing an "a with accent" (my terminal's broken) with "a'" is useful for some reason 00.17.06 # According to our Italian maintainer 00.17.33 # Maybe the replacements themself should be yet another switch statement.. eugh.. 00.17.38 # Yes, sure. Sometimes more than one problematic word occurs in a single voice string 00.17.59 # The vbscript always walked the whole list for the specific engine 00.18.04 Join chrisjs169 [0] (n=ubuntu@pool-71-114-128-205.hrbgpa.dsl-w.verizon.net) 00.18.12 # I think I'll just do the same. It probably won't take long 00.18.13 # That's why I used a dictionary object - it's very efficient 00.18.32 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.18.43 Join krazykit [0] (n=kkit@140.141.29.201) 00.19.24 # See the 'For Each sKey in oList.Keys' loop in VoiceReplaceStrings() 00.20.23 # I'm not really sure I need a list at all. Might be slightly nicer reading I suppose 00.20.53 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 00.21.21 # I'll got he lazy route for now 00.23.12 # I wonder if any of the replacements need the g-modifier 00.23.29 Quit Robin0800 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.24.27 # amiconn: Where should we look for the pause clip? I'm suggesting we put it in SVN somewhere, but where, exactly? 00.25.44 # hmmm.... 00.26.16 Quit seablue ("life, death, life, death") 00.26.42 # Maybe it makes sense to move all voice related stuff into a sub-dir of tools/ 00.26.43 # ? 00.27.10 # Might not be a bad idea 00.29.29 # Not quite sure I'm quite up to the task of creating a subdir and makefiles and so on though 00.29.49 Quit kk_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.29.55 # Maybe I could put it in tools/ for now, and leave the cleanup for later? 00.30.22 # Yes, one step at a time 00.30.37 # Heh 00.30.44 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 00.30.44 # * amiconn would call up the Makefile specialists for the Makefile 00.30.52 Quit midgey () 00.31.15 # Am I right in thinking that the NOT_USED_ ids should be ignored completely? 00.31.44 # And how about ids that have an empty string as value? 00.32.02 # Those don't get voice clips 00.32.17 # voicefont takes care of that 00.32.32 # okay, but I should skip them as soon as possible 00.32.53 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.32.53 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 00.33.37 Quit bdgraue (Remote closed the connection) 00.34.53 # I'm still amazed that perl requires braces, even for single-line statements. It seems so unlike perl. 00.35.46 Join jurrie_ [0] (n=jurrie@adsl-068-209-041-021.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) 00.38.56 Quit donutman25 ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518]") 00.41.30 # oops, shouldn't run wavtrim on VOICE_PAUSE... 00.43.43 Quit BigBambi ("Leaving") 00.43.44 Quit jurrie__ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.46.07 Join w1ll14m [0] (i=546851d0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-60ffa92ed5ff4844) 00.46.30 # hi all, 00.46.46 # i have a question, can i set the lineout volume ? 00.46.58 # on a ipod 5g? 00.48.29 # Not unless you change the source code. Rockbox hard-codes it to lineout level (0dB). 00.49.01 # hmm the lineout is a lot softer than normal volume 00.49.41 # the lineout isnt just another headphone jack... 00.49.52 # i know :) 00.50.10 # i would like to change it's behavior, that is exactly the same as my jack output, is this possible ? 00.50.12 # scorche: Except on H1x0 (almost) 00.50.44 # well, yeah...on a few devices, it isnt a "true line out" 00.51.06 # heh.. h1x0/h3x0 users complain that line-out volume changes with headphone volume... 00.51.28 # * linuxstb coughs... option... cough 00.51.35 # I'd say sell the ipod and get an iriver :) 00.52.27 # w1ll14m: It's a trivial change to the source code. In fact, Rockbox used to vary the line-out with the headphone volume, but then it was changed. 00.52.35 # amiconn: voicefont looks for mp3 files of IDs with the string ""! 00.53.22 # My voice file got slightly smaller after I stopped creating those 00.53.30 # (only 3kb though) 00.54.03 # w1ll14m: Try replacing the zeros in line 353 of firmware/sound.c with l and r - so it's similar to line 351. 00.54.29 # thanx, i'll have a look in the source :) 00.55.22 # i've tryed it with the docs of the wm codec thats inside and should be possible route jack to lineou2 01.00.16 # amiconn: I think the building of bitmaps is related to the "features" .. feature. 01.00.39 # amiconn: it does a make inside apps/ which probably causes bitmaps to be built, for some reason.. I've no idea what's going on in apps/Makefile 01.00.51 # Let's blame Bagder_ 01.01.05 # Or perhaps n1s 01.02.49 # also is dsp also passed to lineout ? 01.03.46 # w1ll14m: Yes - the DSP code processes the audio digitally before sending it to the wm codec. 01.04.11 # How about the hardware effects? 01.04.52 # linuxstb: thanx 01.05.11 # rasher: I'm not sure, but I expect so. You would need to look at the datasheet. 01.05.56 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 01.08.32 Join H10_007quick [0] (n=chatzill@mnet-ki-244-78-181.monarch.net) 01.09.00 Quit H10_007quick (Client Quit) 01.09.33 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 01.12.36 # linuxstb, where are the pp502x freqs defined ? 01.12.53 # it seems i can't find them :| 01.14.59 # Oh dear, the voicefile includes all the _SYSFONT_ entries. 01.15.20 # A good 100 entries which are already present 01.16.35 # What an awful, awful waste of space 01.17.21 # rasher: how is that web interface for lang files coming?...are people using it to great success? 01.17.54 # w1ll14m: You mean the cpu clock speeds? 01.18.33 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 01.18.53 # scorche: There's been a few patches submitted from it. I'd say that's a good start. Although the recent langv2 rework has produced a LOT of tedious work for translators 01.19.05 # linuxstb: yeah, i mean that :) 01.19.51 # scorche: It does seem to be doing its job fairly well though. I've used it myself a few times for Danish, just to test it 01.20.08 # w1ll14m: See the set_cpu_frequency() function in firmware/target/arm/system-pp502x.c 01.20.20 # i'll check 01.20.25 Quit ompaul ("Leaving") 01.22.56 # ok, so CPUFREQ_MAX defines the clock speed ? 01.24.09 # as we had a CPUFREQ_MAX_MULT to set the 24 / 8 x CPUFREQ_MAX_MULT = clock speed 01.24.25 Join qweru [0] (n=kvirc@bb-87-80-66-156.ukonline.co.uk) 01.26.13 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 01.28.10 Quit mirak (Remote closed the connection) 01.28.45 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c58-109-97-210.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au) 01.30.42 Quit midgey () 01.41.04 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@c-71-205-0-132.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 01.41.31 Quit darkraven90 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01.45.43 Join homielowe [0] (n=chatzill@d207-81-88-18.bchsia.telus.net) 01.47.50 Join webguest07 [0] (i=5750429c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-647cd9709227dc4d) 01.47.57 # linuxstb: i changed the zero's to l and r, now i can change the volume. but the volume that line2 gives me is verry low 01.50.10 Quit webguest07 (Client Quit) 01.50.15 # What are you connecting to the line-out? 01.50.27 # headphones 01.50.37 # and that's want i want to accomplish 01.50.55 # or i will have to change some ideas 01.51.00 # also possible 01.51.27 # the main problem is, my headphones are a little to heavy for my ipod. 01.52.07 # so i ripped a 3 volt speaker set.... got the amp uit of it.... now i'm using my external ipod battery (uses USB) to get this amp powered 01.52.47 # now i've made a little box which supplies the amp with power, and supplies the ipod with extra power (original external batteries purpose) 01.53.12 # and now i want to combine audio and power via 1 cable (thus the dock connector) 01.53.23 # the last problem is the audio output 01.53.47 # but even this volume i got from lineout2 is not beable to supply a normal amp with music 01.54.34 # do you still understand it a little ? 01.55.40 # "a normal amp" works just fine 01.55.52 # let me check again 01.56.03 # i use a portable amp with my ipod 01.56.13 # out of the lineout, i should add.. 01.56.30 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 01.56.44 # ok, i'm using pins 1, 3, 4 correct right ? 01.57.08 # from dock connector 01.58.21 # http://ipodlinux.org/Dock_Connector 01.59.27 # i've used pins 1,3,4 pins 1,2 are the same 01.59.31 # so it seems ok 01.59.49 # got stereo sound, but it's just not loud enough 02.00.46 # have you tried to use a proper amp? 02.01.50 # trying one now 02.02.08 # i'm using a different speaker set now :) it's a z5500 02.02.09 # Hrm, looks like the Accessory protocol is reasonably well documented. And Rockbox doesn't support any of it. For shame! But seriously, has no one bothered with it, or is something blocking it? 02.02.25 # i thought you wanted to drive headphones... 02.02.39 # rasher: No-one has bothered. Step 1 will be to write a serial port driver... 02.02.43 # there is a big difference in the power required for speakers vs headphones 02.03.43 # linuxstb: Fair enough. Just wondered if anything particular was holding it up. The serial port isn't terribly secret is it? Iirc ipl supports it? 02.03.59 Quit obo ("bye") 02.04.11 # i *think* they only support 1-3rd gens, but i could be wrong 02.04.33 # ok, i had to set my speakers to 50% to get a little audio.... dsp off etc.... 02.04.53 # did you see what i just said? 02.05.06 # rasher: No, IPL doesn't support it (on PP502x). I think they do on the PP5002 though. 02.05.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.05.31 # linuxstb: Ah, okay 02.05.52 # scorche: i read it 02.06.20 # but as it's a line out, i wouldn't have to turn the speakers up to 50% for a little audio ? 02.06.33 # my portable amp drives heaphones quite loud with the dial turned to half...speakers is a whole different matter 02.06.40 Join hannesd_ [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 02.06.56 # yeah i mean speakers with an amp :) 02.07.12 # a logitech z5500 stereo1 02.07.44 # you mentioned your goarl was to drive your headphones, though... 02.07.44 # when i use a normal cd player i use 10 to 20% volume on my amp / speakers 02.08.07 # but that is with already amped output going into your amp, correct? 02.08.08 # scorche, indeed i'm trying but also that is going trough a 'small' amp 02.08.39 # scorche: no, just a plain old cd player with a normal tulp to jack connection with no amp 02.08.56 # without any amps between the speakers and cd player 02.11.22 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 02.13.13 Quit hannesd (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.13.13 Nick hannesd_ is now known as hannesd (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 02.13.44 # very strange 02.14.29 # i will do it on a different way :) 02.14.40 # i'll still use jack.... 02.14.51 # maybe something is wrong with my lineout ? 02.15.41 # as it's just much to soft to let a normal amp use this signal without setting him to almost the max volume (amp) 02.16.29 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 02.18.06 Join mike__ [0] (n=BigMac@c-71-234-95-131.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) 02.19.20 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC") 02.19.40 Quit HellDragon (Client Quit) 02.20.05 Quit w1ll14m ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.20.40 Join w1ll14m [0] (i=546851d0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-50bb2f74300985f8) 02.21.14 Quit Rincewind ("Cya") 02.21.55 Quit petur ("Zzzzzz") 02.25.09 # hello... I tried googling but found no answer... is there something like a "pre-amp" function/plugin/whatever? 02.25.43 # if I try to use my Sansa connected to my stereo volume is too low... 02.27.01 Join HellDragon [0] (n=Nocebo@unaffiliated/helldragon) 02.29.43 # found the problem... it seems my cable is dead 02.29.58 # shit... well anyways thanks alot for all the usefull help ;) 02.30.09 # especialy to scorche and linuxstb 02.39.51 Quit mike__ () 02.44.49 Quit BobShield (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.46.04 Quit chrisjs169 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.47.46 Join HellDragon_ [0] (n=Nocebo@unaffiliated/helldragon) 02.48.34 Join Bagder [0] (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 02.51.22 Quit w1ll14m ("CGI:IRC") 02.51.59 Quit HellDragon (Nick collision from services.) 02.52.23 Nick HellDragon_ is now known as HellDragon (n=Nocebo@unaffiliated/helldragon) 02.57.03 Join lukaswayne9 [0] (n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 02.57.17 Quit witz (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.57.34 Join witz [0] (n=witz@unaffiliated/witz) 02.59.47 Quit lukaswayne9 (Client Quit) 03.00.10 Join perrikwp [0] (n=chatzill@74.167.148.160) 03.04.59 Quit Bagder_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.06.14 Join ApooMaha [0] (i=4b596eb2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5cbda7a306d45f58) 03.07.10 # hi Lloreanm I need your permission to edit the wiki 03.08.58 Quit witz () 03.09.40 # ApooMaha: What's your wiki name? 03.10.31 # Wait, you've already got write access... 03.11.27 Quit ApooMaha ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03.12.04 Join ApooMaha [0] (i=4b596eb2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5f8d07f71133c357) 03.12.53 # i need to edit the wiki and need permission 03.14.34 Quit ApooMaha (Client Quit) 03.14.38 Join ApooMaha [0] (i=4b596eb2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-15ade4e8005f441e) 03.15.18 # ApooMaha: Permission? Generally you can just go ahead and edit things... which page are you trying to edit? 03.15.52 Quit ApooMaha (Client Quit) 03.27.59 Join xaque [0] (n=xaque@67-41-207-172.hlrn.qwest.net) 03.28.29 Join darkraven [0] (n=darkrave@p54A313BE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 03.28.36 # Howdy. I am looking to rebuild my ipod video with rockbox. I don't care about anything except music on the device, but I want to know about file structure and such. 03.29.03 # All the interface screenshots that I see on forums and such look nice, I like the themeable aspect. 03.29.17 # What do you mean "filestructure"? 03.29.27 # How is file management and chooing tracks to play. Fast, intuitive, pretty? 03.29.43 # I'd say mostly the two first 03.29.57 # Although you can set a backdrop and a custom font, so it's not entirely awful 03.30.23 # Also, is it up to me to choose how the files are layed out? Do I just plop files on the device and then let the firmware handle the rest? 03.31.10 # What kind of file support does rockbox support? ogg? 03.31.14 # Yes. You can also browse by tags, but pure filetree based browsing is possible as well (and always possible) 03.31.41 # I could also use the device as a mobile hard drive without too much work then? 03.31.43 # xaque: You should probably read this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox 03.31.50 # Absolutely 03.32.02 # nice link! 03.32.42 # It's linked directly from the frontpage actually ("What is Rockbox?") 03.33.01 # I must hav skipped the what is. =] 03.35.57 # Neat, I think I am going to go for it. 03.36.46 # Have fun. Check out the manual - it's really a nice piece of work 03.37.02 # Will I loose features? 03.37.22 # Compared to the Original Firmware? 03.37.26 # Yeah 03.38.11 # Some: Most advanced accessories don't work, video playback isn't as advanced, playback of DRMd music. 03.38.15 # I think that's about it. 03.38.38 # But you can dual-boot, so I wouldn't say it's all that bad 03.39.17 # I had ipod linux on my ipod for a while and I hated it. Very young in development is what it felt like. Is this more mature? 03.40.08 # what did you hate about ipl? 03.40.09 # Without actually having tried IPL, based on what I've heard, I'd say it definitely is 03.40.21 # Rockbox is built from the ground-up as a music player. 03.40.30 # And it's a fairly old project already 03.40.43 # scorche: the file browser. 03.40.57 # what did it do that you hated? 03.41.23 # scorche: seemed laggy and unstable, but that was before I sent my ipod in, so it could have been the device. 03.42.02 # scorche: it would not refresh the screen when I would go into a dir, like things would move, but it would not refresh the screen to see the new information, just kept piling it on the screen 03.42.33 # Wow, that does sound pretty awful 03.43.00 # unusably anoying. I did it several times using the wiki and I am a fairly savy user and each time same thing 03.43.14 # I wrote it off as development immaturity 03.43.19 # Rockbox has always been rock-solid to me. I've been using it since it first started playing music on the iriver H120 03.43.57 # rasher: which build should I go with 03.44.00 # ? 03.44.08 # the official one, of course 03.44.26 # scorche: current or release? 03.44.36 # there is no release for ipods 03.45.15 # ah 03.45.20 # good to know. 03.46.23 # xaque: I'd advise going with the official build as well (but then, both scorche and I are devs). You'll miss out on some eye-candy, but on the other hand, you will be recieving updates as they happen, and it's generally easier to ask for help when you're not running a hacked-up version of Rockbox 03.47.32 # understood =] http://build.rockbox.org/ is where I am going to grab the firmware. Is this correct? 03.48.13 # the manual should tell you everything 03.48.57 # I don't really know much about the install process on Ipod, but the manual should explain it. You could also test our in-development automagic install utility - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility 03.49.18 # Although the obvious disclaimers apply since it's still a bit rough around the edges 03.50.03 # rasher: I would rather do it manually so I know wtf has been done when I am finished. 03.51.26 # A fair concern 03.52.49 Quit gtkspert (Remote closed the connection) 03.55.53 Quit theglades00 ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518]") 04.01.16 Join gtkspert [0] (n=gtkspert@gateless.info) 04.04.19 # That was the most straight forward installation of my life. Props! 04.05.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.05.59 # Neat. 04.06.36 # If its booted and I plug it in, will it go into HD mode? 04.07.29 Quit gromit` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.07.38 # Not really sure, but I think so. You can also hold a button to simply let it charge off USB afaik 04.07.58 # Don't know which button though, might also be the hold switch 04.08.18 Join gromit` [0] (i=gromit@ras75-5-82-234-244-69.fbx.proxad.net) 04.09.05 # rasher: I will read 04.09.11 # Thanks 04.09.25 # I will be back in a couple days with my full report 04.09.27 # =] 04.12.40 # hey any Sansa developers 04.13.00 # I installed on a Rhapsody by accident (it has rhapsody at the bottom) 04.13.02 # different crol 04.13.03 # and it works 04.13.09 # is there anything that doesnt work on it? 04.13.25 # Or is the theory "Some models are regular e200 true?" 04.14.24 # EnterUserName: Does the original firmware have a rhapsody item in the menu? 04.14.43 Quit tedrock (Client Quit) 04.15.11 Quit gromit` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.15.13 # Its engraved on the alumibnum 04.15.14 # let me see 04.16.02 Join gromit` [0] (i=gromit@ras75-5-82-234-244-69.fbx.proxad.net) 04.16.28 # doesnt look like it no it doesnt 04.16.46 # It doesnt have that. But it says rhapsody on the aluminum and the sscroll bar is different 04.16.49 # so weird 04.17.30 Part pixelma 04.19.02 Quit gromit` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.19.09 # Where do I put my music? 04.19.17 # in .rockbox or not? 04.19.32 # anywhere you want (although we dont suggest putting it in the .rockbox folder) 04.19.45 # xaque: Anywhere but .rockbox, pretty much (although you can, it's not a good idea) 04.19.57 # the most common practice is to make a folder named "Music" in the root 04.20.01 # is there a place that is designated for it in the .rockbox folder? 04.20.05 # ah 04.20.06 # thanks 04.21.00 # .rockbox is hidden during normal operation, and used only for stuff internal to Rockbox (this includes codecs, plugins, themes, etc) 04.23.49 Quit gtkspert (Remote closed the connection) 04.24.24 Join gtkspert [0] (n=gtkspert@gateless.info) 04.29.31 Join gromit` [0] (i=gromit@ras75-5-82-234-244-69.fbx.proxad.net) 04.36.56 Quit Rick (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.51.55 Join tedrock [0] (n=tedrock@d235-159-230.home1.cgocable.net) 04.54.39 Quit tedrock (Client Quit) 05.05.23 Join H10_007quick [0] (n=chatzill@mnet-ki-244-78-181.monarch.net) 05.05.33 Quit H10_007quick (Client Quit) 05.23.07 Quit Nimdae (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05.26.23 Join Gibbed [0] (i=rick@pool-96-229-91-46.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 05.26.41 Nick Gibbed is now known as Rick (i=rick@pool-96-229-91-46.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 05.27.00 Join Nimdae [0] (n=nimmeh@static-71-164-213-195.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) 05.31.23 Join DogBoy [0] (n=john@66-101-59-100-static.dsl.oplink.net) 05.34.30 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007073113]") 05.35.21 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF5E62.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.38.53 Join BobShield [0] (i=rshield@c-24-15-123-57.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 05.44.06 Join ZionNet [0] (n=Morphara@202.151.193.166) 05.44.12 # hi all 05.44.30 # is there a way to port rockbox to other processors? 05.46.41 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 05.46.43 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 05.47.05 # ZionNet: what do you mean?...other units? 05.47.17 # other cores like rockchip 05.47.21 # rockbox already runs on multiple types of processors 05.47.37 # so far rockchip isnt supported yet 05.47.39 # right? 05.47.46 # right 05.48.06 # i'll try to port it 05.48.24 # i mean i'm finding a way 05.49.02 # well, just the processor isnt likely to be the only difference...you will likely be porting a new device? 05.49.12 # yup 05.49.21 # most probably arm9 based 05.50.15 # you will likely want to read the wiki page NewPort if you havent already 05.51.08 # yup 05.51.08 # true 05.52.03 # i havent use rockbox before 05.52.11 # but is it based on it's own kernel? 05.52.35 # or rockbox has a own kernel? 05.53.58 Join Entasis [0] (n=Jarred@ppp121-45-156-180.lns11.adl6.internode.on.net) 05.54.33 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@c-71-205-0-132.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 06.01.17 Quit ZionNet ("Leaving") 06.05.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.08.19 Join hidden212 [0] (i=d15ed656@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d3bd6f7e45370b78) 06.10.13 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 06.13.38 # greetings fellow 'boxers 06.19.22 # what ways can there be to attract more developers to the rockbox project? 06.21.18 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 06.22.27 Join iamben [0] (n=ben@dpc67142179038.direcpc.com) 06.23.35 Join ddalton [0] (n=daniel@203-214-50-20.dyn.iinet.net.au) 06.24.36 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.24.51 # i was thinking of advertising 06.27.00 Quit hidden212 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 06.27.25 # * scorche "hrm"s 06.29.08 Join donutman25 [0] (n=chatzill@65.75.87.48) 06.30.42 # why was dircache disabled for the sansa e200? 06.33.16 # hrm 06.33.20 # how hard is it to develop for it 06.33.23 # i only know basic c and c++ 06.33.29 # from computer programming anayslsis course.. 06.33.42 # i want a .MOV player : 06.33.43 # :) 06.35.02 # UHey 06.35.06 # How do i compile for the SAnsa 06.35.11 # wheres the documentation 06.35.25 # on the wiki 06.35.33 # hrm im probably too dumb to code :) 06.36.32 # how smart do u have to be :) 06.36.44 Quit linuxstb__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.36.58 # there isnt a definitive answer... 06.37.35 # hrm i guess i should loo at hwo to unbrick a sansa 06.37.37 # before starting.. 06.38.41 Quit donutman25 ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518]") 06.38.45 # Scorche: how do i find the documentation i tried compile 06.38.46 # and sansa 06.39.00 Quit iamben (Remote closed the connection) 06.39.01 # you searched the wiki for compile and didnt find it? 06.39.12 Join iamben [0] (n=ben@dpc67142179038.direcpc.com) 06.39.36 # and you arent going to brick your sansa by messing with the firmware...it has a bootloader 06.40.40 # what compiler do u use 06.40.41 # for rockbox 06.40.44 # for sansa 06.40.51 # that is all in the instructions ont he wiki 06.41.11 # im on Build Your Own rockbox 06.41.40 # you are looking for SimpleGuideToCompiling 06.42.13 # Doesnt seem to be there.. 06.42.39 # Found it 06.42.44 # i can see it just fine 06.42.49 # Ya i searched for simple 06.42.55 # nothing came up.. searched for compiling it came up 06.43.57 # Why do i need CYGWIN for linux? 06.44.11 # i dont know...why would you? 06.44.20 # nevermind 06.44.22 # for windows only 06.44.25 # =) 06.44.40 # is there a unix help :) 06.45.16 Quit ddalton (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.45.26 # everything besides the dev environment should be directions for linux 06.45.32 # hrm 06.45.39 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers 06.45.41 # ya im trying to find out whats the Chipset for sensa 06.47.00 # is it the elf one 06.47.18 # there is no elf chipset 06.47.22 # ?erk m68 06.47.32 # please...read through those links that are on the page i linked you 06.56.35 # thanx scorche found it.. im trying to use crossdev with gentoo first before the custom script that comes with rockbox to compile for u. 06.56.40 # Hopefully it works :) 06.57.16 # i am not familiar with crossdev, so i cant say anything about that... 06.58.21 # ahh tgheres a wikilink for that 06.58.22 # ha ha 06.58.23 Join ddalton [0] (n=daniel@203-214-50-20.dyn.iinet.net.au) 06.58.56 # u guys still use gcc 3.4.5?? 06.59.15 # don't know what my version is but it isn't the latest. 06.59.26 # what os are you using? 06.59.32 # gentoo 06.59.38 # im following the instructions uinder Gentoo(CrossDev) 06.59.43 # i was jsut going to do crossdev -t arm-elf 06.59.46 # so linux? 06.59.48 # ya 06.59.50 # or something else? 07.00.06 # well I think you just need to run rockbox.sh 07.00.07 # EnterUserName: use rockboxdev.sh to get your crosscompilers 07.00.23 # rockboxdev.sh 07.00.25 # i mean 07.00.31 # But whats that about gentoo crossdev? 07.00.58 # it installs all of the compilers needed to compile rockbox i think. 07.01.19 # EnterUserName: as i said before...read those pages i linked you to 07.01.25 # hey how do you run sh files in linux just out of quriosity. 07.01.37 # ./ 07.01.50 # same as an exe file? 07.02.05 # ./ 07.04.37 # hey that is a cool script. 07.04.53 # so when I get my linux machine I just need to run that file and I am done? 07.05.02 # and somehow instal subversion 07.05.29 # the wiki tells you what you need to install 07.07.44 # o where are some small things that need to be done in the code... 07.07.50 # if i were to.. umm.. play around with it 07.07.52 # does anyone here use emacs as there editor? 07.08.28 # well I started off with something simple it was a time patch but I am blind so I am only interested in the voice. 07.08.33 # and a couple of other things. 07.08.42 # maybe plugins if you aren't blind. 07.10.09 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=steve-o@adsl-65-67-113-27.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 07.10.48 # sigh i need a faster computer 07.10.58 # * EnterUserName disappears to community 07.16.24 # anyone want to commit p6138? 07.23.16 Join goatz [0] (n=goatz@ppp-70-226-24-50.dsl.toldoh.ameritech.net) 07.24.00 Join homielowe_ [0] (n=chatzill@d207-81-88-18.bchsia.telus.net) 07.33.28 Quit EnterUserName ("Lost terminal") 07.40.07 Quit homielowe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.41.51 Part goatz ("Leaving") 07.42.11 # I have about 15 patches here. I have a text file saying what order they should be applied in. So how should I put this on fly spray. I can't work out what patches need other patches. 07.56.49 # is it ok if I upload a text file to the tracker saying what order to apply the patches in? If you use them all. 08.05.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.26.11 Quit qweru ("KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'") 08.31.54 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 08.41.23 # ddalton: If you can't separate them, then yes, post them all to the same task. But it would be preferable if separate patches (or small sets of very closely related patches) were on their own task. 08.41.42 # Regarding the text file, just copy and paste the contents into a comment - that will be easier for people to read. 08.49.36 # linuxstb_: I have about 18 patches here. However I can't tell what patches require other patches. Do you know what I should do? 08.49.54 # I could easly make one big patch but that will never be committed. 08.50.20 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul) 08.50.31 # And I have a patch called talk_file but it applies fine with out any patches but if I apply other patches it doesn't work. 08.53.29 # Can you put all the patches in a zip file and put them on a website somewhere? I can have a quick look at them now to see if I can make sense of them, and maybe other people can help as well. It sounds like they need to split up. 08.53.55 # yep ok 08.58.08 Quit homielowe_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.58.30 Quit darkraven (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.58.32 # Ok I have uploaded the patches. Could you please have a look. http://members.iinet.net.au/~ddalton/patches.tgz 09.00.27 Quit ompaul ("Leaving") 09.01.55 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul) 09.05.49 # dalton: Some of them will obviously work by themselves - e.g. shorter-hover_delay.patch, say_empty_dir.diff (I think), quick_screen.diff. You could start by testing those patches (and see if you can see any others) individually to see if they work. 09.07.08 # One problem will be different patches that add new strings to english.lang. The patches won't apply cleanly if you apply them out of series, but they are easily fixed by hand. 09.07.12 # hmm going to be a lot of work. 09.07.34 # Of course - you can't process 18 separate patches in 5 minutes... 09.08.06 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 09.08.06 # Well I will make them compile together and then I will go through each patche and see what it needs. 09.08.10 # what do you think? 09.09.21 # I would try and treat them all as independent patches, and try to get them committed individually. Maybe choose two or three you think are the most useful, and deal with them first. Then carry on... 09.10.55 Quit BHSPitLappy (Remote closed the connection) 09.12.08 # just a quick question. I am getting into programming especially rockbox. Will a 10 gb hard drive do? 09.12.16 # using linux? 09.12.37 # Will you be installing a GUI, or just using the command-line? 09.12.42 # (they're separate in Linux) 09.13.12 # ok I will do that with those patches. I might make talk_file work with them all and then work on each one separatly. Because I want to use them all. 09.13.32 # and then I will make a couple work by themselves and submit them 09.13.46 # just the command line 09.15.00 # Then 10GB will probably be enough. 09.15.28 # ok how much room will I have for all my files once linux is up and running? 09.16.29 # I don't know. But I wouldn't expect a no GUI Linux install to be more than a couple of GB, probably less. I've never really paid attention... 09.16.48 # ok and how long would that take to build rb do you think? 09.17.04 # a clean build 09.18.39 # It depends how fast it is... 09.19.20 # 256 mb ram 1.33 ghz cpu pentium 3. What do you think? 09.20.14 Join kubiixaka [0] (n=Miranda@ip-89-103-17-41.karneval.cz) 09.20.46 Join TiMiD[FD] [0] (n=TiMiD[FD@ARennes-258-1-80-227.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr) 09.20.53 # hi there 09.21.03 # lo 09.21.30 # would that be faster than cygwin? 09.21.41 # ddalton: I would only be guessing, but maybe around 5 minutes (or less). 09.21.56 # rasher: around? 09.22.04 # ok that sounds pretty good. I might look into that machine. 09.22.11 # in getting it. 09.28.56 # how do I delete a file in linux? 09.30.09 # rm 09.30.29 # ok and will that work for a dir? 09.30.52 # 'rmdir dir' if its empty, 'rm -fr dir' to delete the dir and its contents 09.31.15 # careful with rm -fr, it'll instantly remove anything you tell it 09.31.15 # :p 09.31.23 # and how do you rename something? 09.31.47 # renaming is just moving something to a new name, so it uses mv (which moves things, in general) 09.32.08 # ok thanks. 09.32.45 # and tab-completion is your friend, if you're not acquianted :p 09.33.20 # yeah 09.36.43 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.40.14 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@pD952A92A.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.40.35 Quit DataGhost ("NTOSKRNL.EXE caused a buffer overflow in System Idle Proce��") 09.46.50 Join oxygen77 [0] (n=oxygen77@vau75-6-82-237-174-211.fbx.proxad.net) 09.48.17 Join ddalton_ [0] (n=daniel@203-214-50-20.dyn.iinet.net.au) 09.49.16 Quit ddalton (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.49.32 Nick ddalton_ is now known as ddalton (n=daniel@203-214-50-20.dyn.iinet.net.au) 09.51.00 #