--- Log for 29.08.107 Server: niven.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 26 days and 12 hours ago 00.01.09 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 00.01.15 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 00.04.05 Part fm2 00.04.12 # fm2: There's no PLUGIN_HEADER macro in shortcuts_append.c (I removed it from shortcuts.h and put it in view but forgot to put it in append) 00.04.17 # Oops, too late... 00.05.41 Quit ddalton ("leaving") 00.06.42 Join iamben [0] (n=ben@dpc67142179038.direcpc.com) 00.07.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.07.40 Join ddalton [0] (n=daniel@203-214-50-20.dyn.iinet.net.au) 00.08.46 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 00.09.27 # hrm, i'm not getting commit mails 00.10.08 # * linuxstb just accidentally formatted his 80GB gigabeat... 00.10.33 # maybe related to the server problem earlier? Commits didn't show up on the frontpage too... 00.10.44 # preglow: No, I've had none for the last 11 hours 00.12.10 # * pixelma didn't have any emails at all for about the same time :\ 00.12.35 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 00.13.04 # i wonder why crossfade and crossfeed is put in the same item in featurecomparison 00.13.07 # they're not related at all 00.13.31 # preglow: It's a wiki ;) 00.13.48 # * bluebrother is missing some commit mails too 00.14.08 # i'd just remove crossfeed altogether, i doubt we'll ever see a firmware that comes with that 00.14.23 # Well, they wouldn't call it something that dull... 00.14.48 # And will Rockbox ever have "Proprietory DSP effects" ? 00.15.00 # well, no, they're proprietary... 00.15.09 # linuxstb: It's something to alert users to, that Rockbox doesn't have 00.15.22 # anyway, i'll remove crossfeed, anyone against? 00.15.29 # Maybe change that line to "DSP effects", and put crossfeed in there for Rockbox? 00.16.15 # it's not really the same as srs wow or the other stuff 00.16.20 # people might think we're doing something like it 00.16.48 # Hmm, OK... 00.18.03 Quit ddalton ("leaving") 00.19.14 Quit Shagnar^ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.22.32 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 00.31.26 Join advcomp2019- [0] (n=advcomp2@66.172.231.192) 00.33.46 Quit advcomp2019 (Nick collision from services.) 00.34.21 Nick advcomp2019- is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@66.172.231.192) 00.34.34 Quit ender` (" "I believe the use of noise to make music will increase until we reach a music produced through the aid of electrical instru) 00.36.30 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 00.42.15 Join Guile`` [0] (n=Guile@78.113.6.143) 00.42.50 Quit qweru ("moo") 00.49.33 Join qweru [0] (n=kvirc@bb-87-80-66-156.ukonline.co.uk) 00.50.45 Quit webguest37 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.54.48 # linuxstb: any reason not to delete the Harry Potter fonts from the tracker? We clearly don't have permission to distribute them 00.55.30 # I was hoping the poster would attempt to get permission, but looks like he isn't... 00.55.58 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 00.56.04 # I'll remove it and put a note that he should get permission if he wants to keep them in the tracker 00.56.49 # Do you mean "close", or do you have special removal powers? 00.57.08 # We can remove the file and leave it at that? 00.57.11 # Is what I meant 00.57.18 # Probably close it as well 00.57.54 # We should remove the file at any rate 00.58.04 # Yes, sounds the right thing to me. 00.58.11 # Close or not? 00.58.12 # I didn't realise we could remove files... 00.58.18 # Yes, close as rejected. 00.58.26 # Will do. 00.59.03 # Looks like I can't close and delete the file in one action 01.03.54 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 01.04.13 Quit obo ("bye") 01.05.14 Quit Siltaar (Remote closed the connection) 01.10.59 # * bluebrother committed the new talk file dialog 01.12.25 # let's see what I broke with this change ... 01.12.39 # JdGordon: Did you see my attempts at an usb icon? 01.17.14 Join TOGGI3 [0] (n=nicole@c-71-62-190-241.hsd1.va.comcast.net) 01.17.20 Quit n17ikh|Lappy () 01.18.37 # http://paste.felixbruns.de/26 :) my usb icon 01.19.24 # http://paste.felixbruns.de/27 and firewire. 01.19.52 # nice. 01.20.13 # Not exactly 6x7 01.20.21 # but I'm not sure if I'd prefer a 90 degree rotated usb icon ... 01.20.29 Join n17ikh|Lappy [0] (n=n17ikh@c-76-23-98-11.hsd1.sc.comcast.net) 01.21.29 # rasher: no, where is it? 01.21.48 # JdGordon: http://rasher.dk/rockbox/icons-6x7/ 01.21.56 # Bottom row 01.22.30 # Two of them are the same by accident.. And then there's the whole mono/stereo fiasco 01.22.47 Join advcomp2019- [0] (n=advcomp2@66.172.231.192) 01.23.21 # rasher: hmm they could work :) 01.23.52 Quit TOGGI3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.24.10 Quit BigBambi ("Leaving") 01.24.18 # I'm not really happy with any of them, but I think it's the best I can do 01.24.54 Join TOGGI3 [0] (n=nicole@c-71-62-190-241.hsd1.va.comcast.net) 01.24.59 # Hello everyone 01.25.27 # hi 01.27.42 # ho 01.27.59 # I was just wondering to anyone it might concern/interest, I have Samsung YH-820 player here, and I used to own an H320, I've been reading logs and messages which hint at a port for the YH-820 01.28.07 # anyone happen to know where that is development wise? 01.28.22 # there is no development for that player. 01.28.37 # you can check the New Ports forums if there is a thread about it. 01.28.46 # ah, too bad, I miss rockbox so after losing my h320 :D 01.28.59 # well, why'd you loose the h300? 01.29.02 # ;-) 01.29.10 # fried one day 01.29.19 # JdGordon: I changed one of the icons to look like the usb logo (as much as possible) 01.29.23 Quit advcomp2019 (Nick collision from services.) 01.29.27 Nick advcomp2019- is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@66.172.231.192) 01.29.33 # too bad. I hope my h120 will live a looong time :) 01.29.43 # JdGordon: Connection1 01.30.10 # thats good 01.30.28 # Probably best of them, yeah 01.30.43 # fxb: Thanks for the inspiration 01.31.21 # well for what its worth to those involved, thankyou each and every one of you, I love rockbox alot and will probably end up buying another player that supports it ;D 01.34.19 Quit TOGGI3 ("Leaving") 01.35.30 # there is a thread in the new ports forum about this player but rather short... 01.36.39 # too bad, he already left 01.38.58 # JdGordon: what do you need this icon for? I'm asking because there already is a usb plug alike icon that's used in the status bar... 01.39.40 # let me guess ... it's an icon for the usb debug menu entry? 01.41.02 # icon for the upcoming usb settings 01.41.10 # the statusbar one is the wrong size 01.41.16 # what settings are needed for usb? 01.42.40 # PP targets will have at least 2 settings 01.42.42 # * JdGordon goned 01.42.44 # * rasher gives the Afrikaans, Bulgarian, Romanian, Slovak and Turkish translations a very stern look 01.42.49 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 01.43.11 # * bluebrother wondered why JdGordon didn't tell what kind of settings 01.43.29 # Probably something related to what happens when you plug usb? 01.43.58 # well, that was discussed for other players as well -- usb charging :) 01.44.39 # and I still think using the hold key to disable disc mode (and use charging only) would be a good choice. 01.44.43 # bluebrother: host/device and device type? 01.45.12 # device type? What device would you like the player to act? UMS? 01.45.25 # Soundcard! 01.45.27 # UMS/serial/... 01.45.29 # * bluebrother wonders which average user would need anything else 01.45.44 # serial would be nice for debugging 01.45.47 # serial might be nice for debugging :) 01.45.55 # petur: beat me :) 01.46.03 # *bang* 01.46.12 # * bluebrother falls to floor 01.46.23 # * petur didn't beat that hard... 01.46.59 Join RudMan [0] (n=RudMan@ool-182fb504.dyn.optonline.net) 01.47.39 Part pixelma 01.51.40 # Llorean, bluebrother, Febs: Can't we just shit-can the "3D racing-game" thread? It is getting more painful by the minute. It is not as if there is any archival value to it. 01.52.16 # Soap: I don't think I can delete that thread ... 01.52.22 # and while on the subject of that thread... Below cocobomb's photo... what is a "hedgehod"? 01.53.03 # bluebrother: you can move it to trash... 01.53.15 # look here: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hedgehog 01.53.40 # but I wasn't proposing to do it personally - I was soliciting opinions. 01.53.51 # yea, I know what a hedgehoG is. ;) 01.54.13 # * bluebrother had to look it up first 01.54.41 # I was refering to his hedgehoD 01.55.10 # 3d racing thread? i have to see this... 01.55.31 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12380.0 01.55.37 # no. You really don't. :( 01.55.46 Quit alienbiker99 ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 01.55.51 # I'd vote for locking that thread -- it doesn't have any real purpose anymore ... 01.56.05 # hrm...so...who is taking bets for the banning on pink floyd? 01.56.19 # but I'm off for sleep now. Gotten late with my recent rbutil work 01.56.21 # I don't think a seasoned troll could be more successful at wasting time and bringing out the testy side in people. 01.57.01 # Soap: too late 01.57.08 # actually, it's a good ending to my work day 01.57.41 # * petur wonders if he could find two more commits to make the build table green 01.57.50 # so happy with rbutil on QT. Now I didn't install all those libraries in vain. It felt so dirty to install them all just to make QTscrobbler. 01.58.02 # petur: just update some comments ;) 01.58.13 # petur: Code police! 01.58.30 # (the perfect "sneak something under the radar" commit message) 01.58.31 # you could just commit a 3D racing game and Quake 4. 01.58.35 # good idea, that looks good on ohloh too (% comments) 01.58.36 # then i'll download the source, build it, and be happy i have a build from an all green table 01.58.40 # I know you have been holding back on them. 01.58.58 # Or a port of firefox (there was even a feature request for it!) 01.59.31 # * bluebrother really wonders how ohloh calculates that comment ratio for me ... 01.59.34 # pdf viewer? 02.01.20 # Oh dear, I now have "visual basic" on my ohloh profile. UNCLEAN 02.01.54 # hahaha 02.02.17 # petur: btw...mahna mahna 02.02.23 # yes yes 02.02.30 # rasher: /me thanks google for the inspiration ;) 02.03.57 Part toffe82 02.04.40 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 02.04.57 # what's a hedgehod? 02.05.44 # * bluebrother notices that the initial commit of rbutilqt was 25th Jul -- so it's only about a month in development 02.05.46 # aww 02.05.53 # the 3d racing thread got locked :( 02.06.14 # i logged in to the forum for the first time in forever just to respond to it 02.07.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.10.40 Quit bluebrother ("sleep. now.") 02.12.00 Quit BigMac (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.15.12 Quit hcs ("Leaving.") 02.15.27 Quit idnar (Nick collision from services.) 02.15.29 Join idnar_ [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 02.21.11 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 02.21.17 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 02.33.32 Join Shaid [0] (i=shaid@203-214-28-146.dyn.iinet.net.au) 02.34.00 # So Llorean gave up on that gigabeat owner? That's no way to win a bet! 02.34.15 # Or lose one, I forget who bet on what 02.38.20 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 02.38.26 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 02.40.35 Quit HidalgoDC () 02.40.51 Quit petur ("Zzzzz") 02.40.53 Quit tvelocity ("Αποχώρησε") 02.52.41 Join Bagder [0] (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 02.59.58 Quit BobShield (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.04.14 Quit miepchen^schlaf ("Verlassend") 03.07.40 # what file do I need to include to get rid of a global_settings is not defined error? 03.08.55 # * Nico_P got his hands on an iPod 3G and installed rockbox on it with rbutilqt... a breeze 03.14.33 Quit Bagder_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.20.43 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-70-135-35-11.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) 03.23.57 Quit qweru ("moo") 03.26.28 # am I the only one not getting the SVN commit emails ? 03.29.32 # Nope. Seems they are broken, possibly due to a server upgrade earlier. 03.30.03 # there's svn commit emails? 03.30.43 # Nimdae: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/ see rockbox-cvs 03.31.22 Join chuy_max [0] (n=chuy@201-167-90-207-cable.cybercable.net.mx) 03.31.33 Join sarixe [0] (n=sarixe@ool-435403e9.dyn.optonline.net) 03.32.00 # hi, I've tried ipodlinux in the past, but mp3 playback was terrible, does rockbox mp3 codecs work well in ipods? 03.32.49 # chuy_max: i don't have a problem with it 03.33.04 # of course, rockbox is a dap firmware, not a port of linux 03.34.07 # Nimdae, what is dap firmware? 03.40.14 Join Tracy [0] (n=chatzill@va-65-41-105-127.dyn.embarqhsd.net) 03.41.00 Quit sarixe ("Peace") 03.41.09 Join sarixe [0] (n=sarixe@ool-435403e9.dyn.optonline.net) 03.42.16 # chuy_max: digital audio player firmware 03.42.31 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 03.42.34 # meaning it is designed specifically to play mp3s and whatnot 03.43.42 # I suppose that was the problem with ipodlinux, mp3s lag because of the overhead 03.43.55 # yeah, it's playing on top of a fully OS ;) 03.44.05 # on a slow cpu 03.45.46 # can rockbox enable an ipod mini to work on rhapsody? 03.46.00 # in what way? 03.46.13 # sorry, with rhapsody to go 03.46.37 # i think it uses DRM'ed files...if it does, no, it won't work 03.46.55 # ok. that is what i figured. Thanks Nimdae. :) 03.47.02 Quit Tracy ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518]") 03.48.31 # hopefully after this restore, the ipodflasher thingy will detect my ipod 03.49.52 Join MyAdler [0] (i=47b7b9d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e2cf509523bed16d) 03.50.37 Join Cruleworld [0] (i=4c100dd9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-135d8177a8469f81) 03.51.21 # I was wondering do the sponsoring mirroirs have to build the builds on the server? 03.52.45 # Hello? 03.52.50 # Hello? 03.52.57 # hi! 03.53.00 # sponsoring mirrors? 03.53.34 # yeah 03.53.54 # "007-06-20: added download mirrors, thanks to some new sponsors" 03.54.22 # i don't think they have to build them 03.54.34 # all the builds are done via the server farm AFAIK 03.54.44 # Correct 03.54.51 # *build farm 03.54.56 # The files are provided through rsync I believe 03.55.13 # so does the mirroir have to build it? 03.55.22 # cause if not i'd be willing to mirroir 03.55.27 # "i don't think they have to build them" 03.55.37 # do you have the bandwidth to handle it? 03.56.12 # Well then i own a small hosting service that'd love to mirror for Rockbox. 03.56.35 # i have Terabytes of bandwidth 03.56.47 # the build farm is separate 03.57.52 # Who do i talk to about setting up a mirror? 03.57.55 # Cruleworld, so do I, but it also depends on connection speed/etc 03.58.11 # it's 30GBit 03.58.32 # wow, that's a lot 03.58.50 # * chrisjs169 wonders how it's connected to the 'net 03.59.01 # i pay for hosting 03.59.16 # well, company i use to work for had over 30gbit before i left, it was all in 1 gige connections 03.59.25 # let me rephrase - is there an ip (or domain) to try tracerouting? 03.59.55 # I don't have a decticated server 04.00.35 # what's a domain that's on the server? 04.01.01 # Cruleworld: i believe we are quite good for the moment on hosting...thanks though 04.01.04 # there are over 80 sitews on the server 04.01.15 # the url it woudl be would be tmohost 04.01.26 # *tmohost.com 04.01.44 # hmm - 04.01.46 # Cruleworld: talk to Bagder 04.02.12 # Cruleworld: or send him an email. DanielStenberg in the wiki 04.02.21 # after hop 7 on my computer (lxa.oneandone.com) i don't get any replies 04.02.50 # probably filtered 04.03.02 # possibly/probably 04.03.07 # well I GTG 04.03.15 # thanks for the info guys 04.05.34 Quit Cruleworld ("CGI:IRC") 04.06.21 Quit iamben (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.07.24 # heh, reseller of a reseller...i'm glad i don't work in the hosting business anymore 04.07.41 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.09.12 Join iamben [0] (n=ben@dpc67142179038.direcpc.com) 04.12.04 # i'm gonna try out the experimental usb and watch it fail ;) 04.13.20 Quit iamben (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.15.07 Join iamben [0] (n=ben@dpc67142179038.direcpc.com) 04.21.25 Join LinkinXp [0] (n=LiK@c-76-101-152-182.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 04.21.28 # hello! 04.21.35 # yo 04.21.43 # is USB support by rockbox? 04.21.56 # you mean in rockbox? 04.22.00 # yeap 04.22.08 # experimentally 04.22.20 # by default it only detects it on most devices 04.22.26 # so u dont need the other Firmware i mean the original one 04.22.30 # i think some devices it works, but i only have experience with the ipod 04.22.39 # i have a SAnsa sandisk 04.22.45 # e250 04.22.49 # i couldn't tell you then 04.23.09 Quit homielowe ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518]") 04.23.18 # i'm about to see if it works on ipod 04.23.27 # ok 04.23.44 # im gonna put he new firmware 04.23.45 # :D 04.24.17 # i just built a new firmware with usb enabled 04.24.35 # well, it detected a connection, but didn't reboot 04.24.51 # but my cable is being flaky so i don't know if it's working or not 04.24.56 # LinkinXp: Status on Sansa is the same as on ipods and Iriver H10: currently Rockbox can only detect a connection and reboot into the OF. As Nimdae says, work is ongoing to extend this to proper USB support 04.26.10 # hoo 04.26.11 # thanks 04.26.12 # ok 04.26.44 # it charge the battery 04.26.54 # well, it detects connectoin, and windows detects the ipod being connected, but it's like it's not able to communicate...when i disconnect it, windows detects it being disconnected and rockbox goes back to normal 04.26.59 # i'd say that's progress 04.27.06 # well yea 04.27.19 # i git the USB DEVICE NOT RECOGNIZED error 04.27.23 # got* 04.27.24 Quit TiMiD[FD1 (Remote closed the connection) 04.27.34 # LinkinXp: on the ipod (and i'm sure the sansa), there's a key you can hold during connection to leave it in rockbox so you can play and charge 04.28.01 # play music? 04.28.08 Join jack__ [0] (n=jack@pool-71-114-128-205.hrbgpa.dsl-w.verizon.net) 04.28.18 # yeah 04.28.24 Quit chrisjs169 (Nick collision from services.) 04.28.26 # ooo...it detects it as a mass storage device 04.28.34 Nick jack__ is now known as chrisjs169 (n=jack@pool-71-114-128-205.hrbgpa.dsl-w.verizon.net) 04.28.45 # Nimdae: I believe right now the usb support only supports the connection setup - no actual transfers 04.28.46 Quit chuy_max (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.29.00 # well, i can confirm it works ;) 04.29.08 Join TiMiD[FD] [0] (n=TiMiD[FD@ARennes-258-1-42-89.w90-31.abo.wanadoo.fr) 04.29.21 # well really i dont need that! i just that mmm if rockbox do the RIGHT conecction trough USB u dont need the Original Firmware 04.29.22 # :D 04.29.39 # yeah 04.29.46 # it's definately headed in the right direction 04.29.51 # yeap 04.30.10 # the only thing that bothers me is when it goes into usb mode (in rockbox in this case), i won't be able to, say, run the clock app 04.30.21 # how much space has the original Firmware? 04.30.30 # Nimdae: hoo 04.30.32 # no 04.31.10 # sec, lemme reboot to disk mode 04.31.17 # okey 04.31.24 # and MICROSD is OK? 04.31.35 # cause mine is still Virgen xd 04.31.51 # mine is still an ipod ;) no expansion 04.32.27 # apple firmware is 28mb 04.32.30 # LinkinXp: Rockbox even supports microSDHC 04.32.35 # my .rockbox directory is 36mb 04.32.38 # oops 04.32.39 # rasher: thats nice! 04.32.43 # Nimdae: WOW 04.32.44 # so much 04.32.45 # ajjajaj 04.32.54 # Nimdae: in IPOD 04.33.00 # is different in SANSA? 04.33.03 # the size? 04.33.15 # mine is 4.54mB 04.33.17 # naa, i have a bunch of themes and stuff 04.33.21 # hoo 04.33.44 # the rockbox i just built without the new usb is 6mb 04.33.50 # apple firmware is 28MB? (I assume you mean B as in bytes, not b as in bits) 04.33.54 # i need to buy a MIcRoSD hey rasher whats the diference? between MIcroSd and microsdhc 04.34.02 # yes, bytes 04.34.17 # Nimdae: what? 04.34.22 # Nimdae: new usb? 04.34.24 # LinkinXp: 4gb and above are microsd "high capacity" 04.34.28 # that's according to right clicking the ipod_control dir and selecting properties 04.34.31 # isnt include in the latest firmware? 04.34.39 # iamben: mmmmm ok thanks 04.34.45 # Nimdae: that's your itunes database 04.34.49 # LinkinXp: i was testing the new usb functionality 04.34.49 # LinkinXp: usb isnt ready yet 04.35.03 # scorche: yea i know its just charge the battery 04.35.03 # Soap: it builds a big db stock? because i just reloaded it through itunes 04.35.27 # it has charged the battery for a long time 04.35.37 # mine is 25MB right now and I only have one album in there (for battery_bench comparisons) 04.35.38 # scorche: jajajaj im new on rockbox 04.35.39 # :P 04.35.51 # weird 04.36.09 # i didn't bother to check if the reload put in some music for me 04.36.12 # oh well 04.36.17 # * Nimdae hits delete 04.36.20 # mind you I've taken things on and off in the past, but the firmware is in the firmware partition, not in ipod_control 04.36.38 # hmm 04.36.50 # well, i just freed up 28 mb ;) 04.37.11 # i should really start fresh on rockbox 04.37.21 # freed (PAST OF) free? 04.37.33 # yeah 04.37.38 # ok im just learning 04.37.39 # :) 04.37.53 # 11.5 mb in the wps directory, heh 04.38.10 # what u have therE? 04.38.12 # a NUKE? 04.38.14 # lol 04.38.30 # i installed a bunch looking for something that i'd like 04.38.37 # ended up making my own in the end and haven't changed since 04.38.53 # is it hard to make one? 04.39.05 # not really 04.39.58 # u can customize 04.40.00 # everything? 04.40.04 # a lot of it 04.40.21 # oh yeah, i made 2 themes, one i don't use 04.40.28 # i should update my current theme and upload it 04.40.53 # im gonna give it a try 04.40.56 # to the TUTO 04.40.56 # later 04.41.03 # take care 04.41.07 # :) 04.44.10 # i think petur might have missed something on his update for the usb defines...there's a define for USBOTG that's outside of the comments 04.46.49 # crap, i'm gonna have to redo my theme it seems 04.47.42 # i was afraid of this 04.49.23 Join tchan [0] (n=tchan@lunar-linux/developer/tchan) 04.57.57 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 04.59.26 Quit sarixe ("Peace") 04.59.53 # wow, when loading themes, rockbox freezes, it's not just my theme 05.00.07 Quit My_Sic (Client Quit) 05.11.05 # I've seen that when it tries to load a bmp that isn't there 05.29.39 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 05.29.47 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 05.37.21 Quit w0rd54 (Client Quit) 05.37.35 # anyone know what the next major change is gonna be? 05.38.17 Join w0rd54 [0] (i=blackdev@100mbit.top-site.us) 06.07.01 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 06.07.18 Quit lazka (Remote closed the connection) 06.07.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.09.08 # MyAdler: whatever they do that causes one, perhaps ;) 06.09.18 # it looks like usb is up there on that list though 06.09.22 # and i'm all for that 06.12.42 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 06.20.47 Quit midgey () 06.27.42 Quit hcs ("Leaving.") 06.31.43 Join ptw419 [0] (i=ptw419@66-90-157-228.dyn.grandenetworks.net) 06.35.26 Quit RudMan (Remote closed the connection) 06.38.13 # does anyone have a macos x and sansa e280? 06.48.47 # hey al 06.50.19 Quit EnterUserName ("leaving") 06.54.06 # <`sam`> hey i reformatted my ipod video, and now i'm having a problem with disk mode... i can get the ipod into disk mode but i can't mount it or access the drive with fdisk 06.55.03 # <`sam`> fdisk says "unable to read /dev/sdb" 06.59.50 Join EnterUserName [0] (n=dave@ip-60.56.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net) 07.01.48 Join mikae1 [0] (n=18e1813d@astra.techwareit.com) 07.02.12 # hi 07.02.22 # anybody here? 07.02.26 # i 07.03.21 # /who #rockbox gives quite a long list of people 07.03.48 # yeah, i see that. but that doesnt mean anybody will reply :) 07.04.25 # true :P 07.04.27 # well, you havent asked a question to reply to yet 07.04.48 # i asked if anybody was here, and i got a reply :) 07.04.57 # i will buy an ipod tomorrow. i dont know if im gonna go for the nano 2nd gen or the latest ipod. if theres a chance there will be a firmware for nano within 6 months or so, i really want the nano more 07.05.02 # read the link in the topic ;) 07.05.10 # sorry 07.05.14 Part toffe82 07.05.26 # no one is currently working on the 2nd gen nano port 07.05.41 # ok, so i shouldnt hope too much 07.06.01 # it isnt my place to tell you how much to hope =P 07.06.35 # hmm, doesnt look too bright though 07.06.41 # its been out for quite awhile 07.07.16 # ports are made by people who want them and have the capabilities to do them 07.07.42 # i guess i could use floola with the standard firmware 07.07.54 # but id like to have flac playback capability 07.08.37 # with rockbox installed, will the ipod work as a regular mass storage device player? 07.09.08 # yes 07.09.13 # just drag and drop folders/files to the device 07.09.21 # thats so nice 07.09.33 # i do not digg itunes 07.09.35 # im afraid 07.10.12 # the nano feels like a sturdier player though, no hdd, flash based memory and all 07.10.48 # the latest ipod is 5.5g, true? it is fully supported from what i see? 07.10.53 # yes 07.12.22 # ok, ill go for that one. thanks alot for developing rockbox, judging from the paper it looks great. 07.12.36 # ill guess i will have a chance to try it tomorrow 07.12.52 Quit mikae1 ("sleep well") 07.13.08 # "the paper"? 07.23.11 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 07.24.23 Quit bejic () 07.28.37 Join hannesd_ [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 07.34.10 Quit Jon-Kha ("leaving") 07.34.21 Join Jon-Kha [0] (i=jon-kha@80-248-247-190.cust.suomicom.fi) 07.40.38 Quit `sam` ("brb") 07.42.27 Join krazykit [0] (n=kkit@140.141.29.162) 07.44.45 Quit hannesd (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.44.46 Nick hannesd_ is now known as hannesd (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 07.53.50 Quit kk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.57.49 Join kubiixaka [0] (n=Miranda@ip-89-103-17-41.karneval.cz) 08.00.55 Join `sam` [0] (n=sam@CPE-75-81-234-51.we.res.rr.com) 08.01.24 Join webguest12 [0] (i=81ed99ec@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8f9a1b947def66f9) 08.01.47 # yo i need help installing rockbox 08.02.10 # anybody here? 08.03.14 # what problems are you having? 08.04.52 # i installed the rockbox current build and the font package into my ipod 08.05.06 # then when i run the boot loader it says no ipod found 08.05.46 # you mean no rockbox.ipod found? 08.06.51 # umm u know wut i just started i tunes back up and then i closed it and then ran the bootloader and it found the ipod 08.06.59 # sry about that 08.07.14 Join fnakidcck [0] (i=0@86.122.116.44) 08.07.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.08.12 Join ddalton [0] (n=daniel@203-214-50-20.dyn.iinet.net.au) 08.08.18 # are you talking about the bootloader, or ipodpatcher?...please be precise, and dont guess 08.08.42 # how would a 2.6 ghz cpu and 512 mb ram build rockbox? 08.08.43 # computer 08.08.47 # its ok never mind i got it workking now 08.08.48 # on linux 08.08.56 # om...fine? 08.09.06 # <`sam`> with gcc? 08.09.24 # well the normal compilers. 08.09.32 # how long would it take? 08.09.38 # roughly 08.09.51 # <`sam`> won't take too long, 2 minutes at most is my guess 08.10.19 # ok I can get it for $100 and then just install a hard drive in it. will that work? 08.10.31 # it's on ebay now. 08.10.34 # buy it now 08.11.36 # i would assume so, but i would be guessing... 08.11.52 # what could be wrong 08.11.57 # I will try #linux 08.12.03 # or maybe it is ##linux 08.12.13 # i dont know...i am not looking at the auction (and dont link it here...it is offtopic) 08.12.17 # <`sam`> ddalton, i'd recommend reading http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler and http://cstrike.contactor.se/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowToCompile 08.12.21 # <`sam`> at least those 2 08.12.53 # but if I can run linux on it will it be ok for rockbox? 08.13.03 # and I wasn't going to paste the add on here. 08.13.36 # <`sam`> are you talking about getting another computer to build rockbox on? 08.13.39 # yes, it should be 08.19.54 # I am talking about getting another computer to build rockbox on. Why? 08.20.00 # I will also program on it. 08.23.34 Join Siltaar [0] (n=Siltaar@reverse-52.fdn.fr) 08.29.46 # * GodEater is pleased to see the forums in their usual sparkling tip-top shape this morning 08.31.24 Join CaptainSquid [0] (n=Miranda@proxy16.netz.sbs.de) 08.35.01 Quit webguest12 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 08.36.02 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.dsl.t-2.net) 08.40.47 # boom, and the database is dead 08.41.22 # argh 08.41.26 # rasher: around? 08.41.28 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 08.45.35 Quit MyAdler ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 08.46.38 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.49.29 # p7639 can probably be closed. What do people think? 08.49.38 # it isn't going to get committed. 08.50.35 # I think you may be the most prolific patch writer I've seen in ages ddalton, and I'm continually impressed that you manage all this without the use of sight :) 08.51.03 # I think you're right though - I don't think this will get commited 08.52.01 # Thanks. But I need to continue reading this c book. 08.53.04 # o you closed it. 08.53.13 # am I able to close stuff? 08.53.21 # or don't I have those rights. 08.53.36 Join pepie34 [0] (n=pepie34@cop60-1-82-240-26-92.fbx.proxad.net) 08.53.39 # ddalton: how do you read the book? 08.53.49 # Jaws for windows. 08.53.54 # a screenreader 08.54.51 # ddalton: no - you can't close stuff - but I can. 08.55.02 # the book is an ebook then ? 08.56.07 # ddalton: at which speed do you listen to the screenreader? (just interested) 08.56.41 # about 170 words a minute I think. 08.57.25 # how can I get those rights. 08.57.25 # ah, that's also the espeak default, but I prefer 200 now 08.57.38 # maybe quicker. 08.59.42 # ddalton: you have to be made rockbox staff to get those rights. 09.00.03 # maybe when you've been around for a few more months someone will grant you them 09.00.40 # that new Gigabeat T sure looks pretty :) 09.00.42 Join bluebrother [0] (i=J69QBSBB@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 09.01.09 # looks like it's flash only though 09.01.15 # Bagder: I haven't got any commit mails for about one day ... is there a known issue? 09.01.32 Join joseph_ [0] (n=joseph@87.69.102.137) 09.03.33 Quit joseph_ (Remote closed the connection) 09.04.57 Join TiMiD[FD1 [0] (n=TiMiD[FD@ARennes-258-1-21-63.w90-31.abo.wanadoo.fr) 09.06.07 # bluebrother: suspect it's to do with the server upgrade yesterday 09.06.11 # so I'd bug Zagor :) 09.07.37 Join joseph_ [0] (n=joseph@87.69.102.137) 09.07.59 # there was a server upgrade? Ok ... 09.08.07 # software upgrade 09.08.14 # is there anyone person/group whose main concern is the ipod? 09.08.17 # an "apt-get dist-upgrade" if I'm not mistaken 09.08.21 # joseph_: not really 09.08.34 # joseph_: just ask your question and we'll do our best to answer 09.09.01 Quit LinkinXp (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.10.42 # Well, I installed rockbox on my ipod video more than 6 month's ago, and keep upgrading every month or so I still can't use it :( The scrollwheel is not up to scratch. 09.11.04 # It is such a shame as ther are so many nice features I miss with apple firmware 09.11.16 # it's not a trivial thing to fix 09.11.26 Join Buschel [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3DFBB.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.11.41 # "up to scratch"? 09.11.54 # "doesn't accelerate properly" I'm guessing 09.11.58 # unusable :) 09.12.02 # yes 09.12.12 # that's not fair 09.12.17 # it's not unuable 09.12.21 # it's just you don't like it 09.12.24 # my Ipod works absolutely fine here. It's perfectly useable 09.12.27 # I find it more than usuable 09.13.03 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjorn@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 09.13.09 # speak of the devil 09.13.16 # ;-) 09.13.22 # * GodEater prods bluebrother into bugging Zagor 09.13.29 # perhaps I am unaware of the right settings? 09.13.36 # wazzup? 09.13.42 # there are quite a few of them 09.13.45 # Zagor: I'm missing commit mails since about a day. 09.14.01 # hmm 09.14.04 # joseph_: wheel acceleration does work on the ipod as far as I'm aware at the moment - but this does not make it unusable 09.14.13 # s/does/doesn't 09.14.46 # I *believe* someone is working on a fix for this - but as ever, we cannot estimate when it'll be fixed 09.14.47 # ok, it is usable, perhaps it was too strong a word 09.15.18 # joseph_: if you still use the Apple OS every day, I can imagine there's a frustrating difference between the behaviours in the two firmwares 09.15.26 Part pixelma 09.15.33 # but to be honest, if you don't use it every day (as I don't), then you quickly forget abuot it 09.16.02 # I have participated in open source projects in the past and realize that. I just wanted to point out this is the only thing that stops me from using rockbox. I think it is an amazing achivment 09.16.19 # joseph_: well if you've participated, perhaps you'd care to help fix it 09.16.28 # joseph_: maybe you can participate here as well? 09.16.31 # I never used OF. I just first time booted the iPOD into disk mode and put rockbox on it ;o) 09.16.33 Quit `sam` ("bbl") 09.17.15 # Just started a Phd, so I think the chances are slim, but if I have free time later on ... 09.17.32 # * daurnimator pokes joseph_: PhD boy 09.17.33 # ! 09.17.37 Quit TiMiD[FD] (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.17.55 # joseph_: I assume you use the Database feature in Rockbox when you try it ? 09.18.05 # yes 09.18.22 # shame :) 09.18.43 Join davina [0] (n=dave@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 09.19.01 # until I feel confident I don't need to go back to Apple OS i don't see what choice I have? 09.19.01 # joseph_: well, perhaps you could write some detailed feature-requests or bug-reports and hope that someone else will have the time to work on it 09.19.53 # morning daurnimator 09.20.03 # I assume this is an ipod specific problem and other models (which has no clickwheel) are fine? 09.20.23 # joseph_: it's not a "clickwheel" feature 09.20.39 # joseph_: other ipods, such as the 1st, 2nd and 3rd gens all suffer from it too 09.20.59 # an ipod specific issue, then? 09.21.03 # as I understand it, we have working wheel acceleration on the sansa 09.21.07 # markun: sup 09.21.15 # but I don't understand why the solution there works, and doesn't for the ipod 09.21.16 # word :) 09.21.28 # interesting 09.21.32 # esp. given they use the same processor family 09.21.53 # I believe jhMikes was the author of that solution, so he might know why it works in one place and not the other 09.22.03 # other than that, we have no other wheel targets, they're all buttons 09.22.27 # BTW, does all players share the same UI? 09.22.30 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 09.22.34 # yes 09.22.45 # the UI experience is the same on all players which run Rockbox 09.22.58 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 09.22.59 # within the limits of the controls available of course 09.23.07 # what's displayed is identical 09.23.09 # and screen size 09.23.15 # * bluebrother leaves for food 09.23.15 # indeed 09.23.49 Quit idnar_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.23.54 # is jhMikes on this channel? 09.23.58 # usually 09.24.12 # yes, he's in the list - but idling at the moment it would seem 09.24.48 # I can't remember where he is geographically, so not sure on his "active" period 09.25.20 # jhMikeS has been idle for 6 hours, 46 minutes, and 18 seconds. 09.25.28 # yes I can see that :) 09.25.33 Join fm2 [0] (i=c27f0811@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f2c99993a9a123aa) 09.26.08 # A Gigabeat S user dislikes iPods for using proprietary formats for audio and video, how ironic :) 09.26.17 # markun: hahahaha 09.26.29 # markun: where is this? mygigabeat ? 09.26.34 # yes 09.26.37 # GodEater: I believe he's here in the US, meaning he's likely to be unavailable for a while yet. 09.26.39 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.26.46 # http://www.mygigabeat.com/forum/messages.cfm?threadid=650216BB-3048-2906-EAF512749E959FA8 09.26.48 # Llorean: that's what I thought 09.27.03 # linuxstb: I've seen the comment you made shortly after I left. Thanks, I'll try. And now I understand the error messages with duplicated definition of __header etc. I should look into it before to see what should be where and why. Now it's clear. 09.27.04 # Llorean: join community 09.27.21 Part fm2 ("Bye for now") 09.27.42 # GodEater: jhMikeS has said that something (I don't know what) needs changing in the ipod button drivers to make the scroll acceleration work. He doesn't own an ipod though. 09.28.36 # joseph_: there you go - we need an ipod owner to investigate this it seems. 09.28.56 # linuxstb: It needs to provide deltas, I believe. 09.29.20 Join pepie34_ [0] (n=pepie34@cop60-1-82-240-26-92.fbx.proxad.net) 09.29.23 # well, where is the information to set up a build env for rockbox on ubuntu? 09.29.30 # on the wiki 09.30.06 # joseph_: It's basically just "Run rockboxdev.sh, then add the appropriate locations to your path" 09.30.26 # joseph_: and rockboxdev.sh is under the tools directory once you've checked out the svn source code.... 09.32.08 # joseph_: Go to http://www.rockbox.org, click on "index" under Documentation on the left, and see the "For Developers" section. There is a fair amount of info there. 09.34.31 # markun: From that gigabeat thread - "wma @ 64kbps sounds the same as mp3 @ 128kbps. thats a fact" .... 09.35.09 # oye 09.35.14 # re: the pitch and quick screens not being able to use unicode chars... does anyone have an idea what to do if the user font doesnt fit? 09.35.17 # linuxstb: it was a fact on microsoft.com, but the page doesn't exist anymore (or maybe was moved) 09.35.34 # Microsoft has some REALLY interesting comparisons between WMA and AAC 09.35.44 # nice "fact" :) 09.35.48 # interesting as in untrue? =) 09.35.59 # markun: they got a deaf person to compare? 09.36.11 # that should ave been to linuxstb i mean 09.36.19 # linuxstb: the listening test I linked to shows that lame at 128 beats all other codecs at 64 09.36.25 # For example, something like 38% liked WMA better, 34% liked AAC better, and 28% thought they were equal, so "66% found WMA better or equal to AAC" 09.36.35 # Which is, y'know, mathematically true, but kinda hides where the balance lies. 09.36.44 # ;) 09.36.45 # scorche: Just badly misrepresented. 09.37.06 # statistics.. 09.37.58 # here in the netherlands they can predict the results of the election all year round, until the actual day of election, then it's impossible to predict accurately 09.38.37 # markun: thats mostly the same everywhere... 09.38.58 Quit pepie34_ ("Ex-Chat") 09.39.11 Join pepie34_ [0] (n=pepie34@cop60-1-82-240-26-92.fbx.proxad.net) 09.39.23 # thats just human nature, ever read Malcolm Gladwell? 09.39.31 # nope 09.39.56 # Especially bad here in the US after that whole "Everyone predicted Bush lost, but he won despite losing the popular vote, so now TV channels will always state that they're not predicting, over and over and over" 09.40.30 # markun: because then it can actually be verified. The other times the just claim they can predict... 09.40.47 # petur: indeed 09.40.50 # preglow: I don't know if you still want a backup H120, but someone just posted this link on the forums - http://cgi.ebay.com/iRIVER-IHP120-20GB-Audio-Jukebox-with-Line-in-Silver_W0QQitemZ300145515410QQihZ020QQcategoryZ114622QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 09.42.38 # * Llorean orders is GigabeatS 09.42.57 # yay - welcome to the club ;) 09.43.03 # oye....you people 09.43.30 Quit kubiixaka ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 09.44.40 # scorche: Well once it's running Rockbox I intend to eBay the Gigabeat F with voice preconfigured and a good, reliable build to hopefully help out some blind person. 09.44.43 Quit ender` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.45.13 Quit pepie34 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 09.45.53 # Llorean: F40? 09.46.25 # Yeah 09.52.23 Join JGabcde [0] (i=46177202@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7eb5e2c778948766) 09.52.44 # Hey I have a problem with Rockbox could you help? 09.53.07 # Hello? 09.53.24 Quit pepie34_ ("Ex-Chat") 09.53.32 # we're not psychic 09.53.35 # what's the problem ? 09.53.39 Join pepie34 [0] (n=pepie34@cop60-1-82-240-26-92.fbx.proxad.net) 09.54.54 # o 09.55.08 # umm when i put a theme in it doesnt work 09.55.25 # could you be a bit more detailed on exactly what you did 09.55.31 # and which theme? 09.55.34 # and what happens 09.55.36 # like, what player you own, what theme etc etc 09.56.04 # do the built-in themes work? 09.56.55 # O ok my mistake umm im using rockbox for the ipod 4th gen color photo and i was putting on the Zenpod theme and when i load it its say load sucessful or w,e, and the it just shows a regualr background like a blue background 09.58.33 # wait i got a different theme to work but i really want the zenpod theme or iPod Color Max 09.58.44 # I can't even find a ZenPod theme for the 4G colour 09.59.04 # wat about iPod Color Max 09.59.22 # or that 09.59.25 # and it has to be in the 4G color section 09.59.27 # ?? 09.59.31 # yes 09.59.43 # o wait could i have the link to where u looking 10.00.07 # http://cstrike.contactor.se/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIriverH300 10.00.19 # wth happened to the wiki link ? 10.00.29 # idk 10.00.39 # well that's where I'm looking anyway 10.00.45 # * scorche looks over in Zagor's direction 10.01.29 # wat im trying to do 10.01.31 # heh, that's an old unusd domain name 10.01.36 # I can find the ipod color max one on the rockbox-themes.org page 10.01.41 # is that where you got it from ? 10.01.44 # is get a theme that makes rockbox look like a regular ipod 10.01.44 # doesnt look very unused... 10.01.51 # rockbox is the default site on this server so every unallocated name (and ip) goes to rockbox 10.02.12 # is there anything like that? 10.02.13 # we used to run a counter-strike server, and have a site around that little community 10.02.25 # hehe... 10.02.30 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery 10.02.30 # JGabcde: yes, looks like iPod Color Max would be the one: http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=220x176x16 10.02.42 # all the links to the model specific galleries have that DNS name in them 10.02.54 # i know markun but i have a 4G Color 10.03.10 # JGabcde: so that's the right one then 10.03.13 # JGabcde: yes, that's the one I clicked on here: http://www.rockbox-themes.org/ 10.03.33 # o ok ill try it 10.03.55 # JGabcde: I note you've still not told us where you got your ones that don't work from 10.04.55 # i got mine from http://www.rockbox-themes.org/ 10.05.05 # and the iPod Color Max 10.05.09 # its wierd 10.05.25 # JGabcde: it's possible that the WPS is outdated 10.05.40 # JGabcde: well where's the ZenPod theme? I don't see it there 10.06.01 # how do i update it? Im sorry i know im a loser when it comes to hacking ipods but psp is my thing 10.06.04 # GodEater: but the iPod Color Max is there 10.06.13 # markun: yes I know - I found it there! 10.06.43 # JGabcde: it's perhaps not so easy if you are completely new to rockbox, but I don't have time right now 10.07.06 # wait but is it possible to update rockbox 10.07.07 # JGabcde: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToWPSMaking 10.07.38 # damn, is there a easy installer or something 10.07.47 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host81-202-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 10.07.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.07.53 # to install rockbox? 10.08.16 # well a updated version of the wps 10.08.18 # ?? 10.08.28 # no, I don't think so 10.08.29 # JGabcde: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility 10.09.09 # wat does this do? 10.09.21 # amongst other things, it installs themes for you 10.10.17 # o thanks and theirs one thing i wanna do so bad ok u know when u restart ur ipod 10.10.21 # and see the apple 10.10.29 # is it possible to change that 10.10.35 # ?? 10.10.45 # no 10.10.50 # JGabcde: not with Rockbox anyway 10.11.43 # wat would i have to do to get that 10.12.10 # JGabcde: as rockbox doesn't do it - it's offtopic in here 10.12.52 # o ok thats fair and the the bootloader when my ipod starts should i have a choice of ipod firmware or rockbox 10.12.53 # ?? 10.13.10 # you do have a choice 10.13.19 # JGabcde: please go and read the manual 10.13.35 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust362.winn.cable.ntl.com) 10.14.01 # JGabcde: with the bootloader of ipodlinux you get a menu to chose what you want to start 10.14.14 # it supports rockbox as well 10.14.29 # amiconn: Only calling LAME once has got my voice building down to about 8 minutes! 10.14.35 # i read the menu a million times and its really confusing could u help me or is it gonna take a while 10.14.48 # pondlife: Yes, and there will be further speedups, hopefully soon 10.14.54 # JGabcde: which menu? 10.14.56 # * amiconn pings rasher again 10.15.07 # switch the hold key when booting 10.15.13 # the bootloader menu 10.15.18 # wait wat joseph 10.15.20 # ? 10.15.22 # JGabcde: there isn't a bootloader menu 10.15.36 # switch the hold key when booting to get the apple firmwhar on an ipod 10.15.48 # are u serious? 10.15.53 # firmware 10.16.02 # o wow didnt know that 10.16.11 # which is better linux or rockbox 10.16.15 # JGabcde: that is why we told you to read the manual... 10.16.15 # ?? 10.16.23 # JGabcde: depends on what you want 10.16.30 # well, they cant be compared, as they have different goals 10.16.33 # Wats the difference 10.16.35 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodLinux 10.17.19 # rockbox is better 10.17.28 # linuxstb: That 'fact' about wma isn't too far fetched. Both sound quite crappy at the stated bitrates ;) 10.17.35 # ipod linux doesnt work on 4G 10.17.39 # that sucks 10.17.50 # can u watch videos on rockbox 10.17.52 # sure it does 10.17.52 # ?? 10.18.03 # wait wat scorche 10.18.10 # amiconn: hahahaha 10.19.00 # ?? 10.19.19 # JGabcde: you can watch video with rockbox and ipodlinux does run on the ipod 4G 10.19.28 # and please stop the "??" 10.19.33 # sorry 10.19.36 # and the "wat" 10.19.42 # :) 10.19.43 # is there a way to have all 3 10.19.49 # yes 10.19.54 # how 10.20.03 # JGabcde: but it requires you reading, and not just keep asking one word questions 10.20.34 # lol ok and does the rockbox video have sound 10.20.57 # JGabcde: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer 10.20.57 # you can find all this out from that manual we told you to read 10.21.08 # does ipodlinux has full C (or C++) support, i.e. an malloc? 10.21.19 # joseph_: yes, I think so 10.21.22 # joseph_: why dont you ask them... 10.21.41 # and no malloc doesnt mean it doesnt have full support... 10.21.52 # alright alright ill read the manual just 3 questions please 10.22.10 # * markun stops answering questions for a while 10.22.11 # no - read the manual first 10.22.15 # then ask questions 10.22.22 # fine 10.22.27 # "full support" I mean in the sense of "I can compile my C code as is" 10.22.29 # it says that in the link in the topic that you were supposed to have read 10.22.46 Quit qwm (Remote closed the connection) 10.22.50 Join qwm [0] (i=qwm@h38n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 10.23.16 # joseph_: if you don't use any external libraries, chances are good it will compile... 10.23.26 # glibc works on iPL AFAIK 10.23.37 # but a better place to ask that would be in #ipodlinux 10.23.39 # hehe, yeah I'd hope so :) 10.23.50 # is the "no malloc" in rockbox due to limited resourses of target, or something else? 10.23.52 Join obo [0] (n=obo@rockbox/developer/obo) 10.24.02 # joseph_: it's a religious thing :) 10.24.03 # joseph_: that's in the wiki too :@) 10.24.12 # http://cstrike.contactor.se/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyNoMalloc 10.24.14 # joseph_: IPL has malloc, but it doesn't have "free" - with the expected consequences... 10.24.17 # then I am sorry I asked it :) 10.24.24 # http://cstrike.contactor.se/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyNoMalloc 10.24.28 # GodEater: I win! 10.24.39 # doh! 10.24.49 # I think Zagor has broken the wiki :) 10.24.51 # meh, stop posting those links. 10.24.56 # ;) 10.24.59 # hurry and fix it =P 10.25.02 # reading ... 10.25.19 # fix what? just go from rockbox.org and you'll get the right links 10.25.27 Quit Buschel () 10.25.53 # we are 10.25.55 # and we're not 10.26.04 # Zagor: ah, oops 10.26.07 # I am... 10.26.11 # GodEater: ok explain how you get it then 10.26.30 # I'm currently looking at : http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex 10.26.42 # every link on that page has the cstrike dns name in it 10.27.06 # * JdGordon also 10.27.14 # GodEater: Yes, that's true... 10.27.15 # ok, checking, 10.27.21 # for me only the table of contents 10.27.35 # no, also a lot more 10.27.40 # * linuxstb always just types in http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PageName 10.27.47 # WebHome is ok 10.27.55 # but every sublink from there is cstrike. 10.28.28 # ok ok ok 10.28.32 # Lets take a game/application for rockbox. Perhaps a better approach would be for an application to set it's max memory usage at start and let it have malloc/free up to that amount - or perhaps there is already some standard component doing that? 10.28.35 # i read everything i need to know 10.28.44 # question time woo hoo 10.28.58 # joseph_: you can do that by implementing your own malloc() in your plugin 10.29.03 # well, if those questions were answered in what you have read... 10.29.08 # a lot of our plugins / codecs do that 10.29.28 # 1. Can Rockbox play radio? 2. Could i have a link for the ipodlinux 4G? 3. How do u record yourself through the headphones? 10.29.30 # why not standarize it then. duplication of code is evil 10.29.31 # joseph_: so you grab the plugin buffer, and then malloc frmo that 10.29.58 # joseph_: that's hard to argue with :) 10.30.37 # JGabcde: did you see a way for the ipod to "play Radio" in the manual ? 10.31.00 # ipodlinux.org 10.31.08 # joseph_: A small number of plugins/codecs use a faked malloc. For codecs there is a library with malloc amongst other functions, but not for plugins. But almost all plugins are written to use memory statically. 10.31.09 # i think so 10.31.23 # you think so 10.31.35 # yea.....y 10.31.45 # interesting 10.32.39 # what so interesting? 10.32.48 # that you read something that isnt there... 10.33.08 # or that if you read it, you don't already know the answer. 10.33.35 # I have this backgammon library written in C++. Converting that to static memory is not the optimal way to spend time. This may be the case with other potential applications/games 10.33.54 # cant find where i read it 10.33.59 # well you're not going to get raw C++ code running in rockbox either 10.34.13 # so at the very least you'd have to port it to straight C 10.34.54 # and as I said, you can then always implement your own malloc() 10.34.56 # it doesn't take long 10.34.59 # shame, probably not an option then. Damn, it would have been so nice to get something like that going 10.35.26 # implementing a decent free() however - THAT would be challenging :) 10.35.29 # I've ported a C++ app to Rockbox before, and found it just as easy to declare things statically as to use malloc. 10.35.42 # But of course that depends on the nature of the app. 10.36.29 # porting C++ back to C is not typically trivial 10.36.48 # No, which is why IMO malloc is a trivial aspect of it. 10.36.52 # joseph_: Since the main focus of Rockbox is "Music" rather than "Applications and Games", the architecture has been designed around this. 10.36.59 # plugins can implement their own malloc. mpegplayer and doom already does. 10.37.09 # point taken 10.37.17 # Zagor: Yes, but that's not something we want to encourage, is it? 10.37.20 # * Llorean goes back to not being here. 10.37.54 # more applications and games make a platform more attractive 10.38.19 # Rockbox' first goal is to be a good dap firmware 10.38.21 # Wait how come when i play wat i just previously recorded it says code error? 10.38.30 # Plugins are addons for fun. 10.38.52 # joseph_: Agreed. But don't underestimate the differences between a Desktop PC and an embedded environment. 10.39.11 # linuxstb: I think rules can be a bit more relaxed for plugins than for the core. 10.39.14 # Come on help me please and ill leave 10.39.29 # i.e. a good quality port to Rockbox is more than just getting something to compile. 10.39.36 # but naturally it's preferrable to use static, because it teaches you to write code that way. 10.40.14 # Zagor: Yes, I agree. But still a lot of the WhyNoMalloc principles apply to plugins. 10.40.22 # absolutely 10.40.27 # if an application is small enough, you can get away doing it the "dirty" way. That have always been the case 10.40.58 Join austriancoder [0] (n=austrian@rockbox/developer/austriancoder) 10.41.10 # joseph_: I'm not saying to never use malloc, just that it's not the preferred approach. 10.41.32 # In the non embedded world, what you can write in Python/Perl you don't want to do in C/assembler 10.41.59 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@pD952BF6A.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.42.32 # All I am saying is that perhaps you can "relax the rules" in some cases without losing the benifits you all outlined 10.42.33 # 1. Can Rockbox play radio? 2. Could i have a link for the ipodlinux 4G? 3. How do u record yourself through the headphones? 10.42.52 # JGabcde: we answered those 10.43.01 # joseph_: The rules are relaxed - that's why some plugins are using malloc. 10.43.30 # where can I find rockbox code police? 10.43.40 # They're behind you... 10.43.48 # booo! 10.44.06 # u guys didnt answer them 10.44.07 # austriancoder: read DOCS/CONTRIBUTING 10.44.26 # austriancoder: I guess I'm one of the more grumpy officers :) 10.44.36 # * linuxstb noticed a few new TABs creeping into the USB code yesterday... 10.44.42 # JGabcde: 1) read the manual 2) www.ipodlinux.org 3) read the manual 10.45.08 # * petur discovered anjuta stores the tabs/space settings per project :( 10.45.29 # perhaps I am wrong and at this stage it is too early. First rockbox have to be the ultimate music playing platform, then worry about other stuff 10.45.56 # joseph_: that's sort of the goal we strive for 10.45.56 # hello? 10.46.02 # joseph_: I think it's more that the design goals are to emphasise being a good DAP firmware, rather than a general-purpose OS. 10.46.13 # linuxstb: "When writing new files, you may use the brace placement style of your choice." so my brackets where okay :) 10.46.18 # found the cstrike bug. the problem was that someone updated the cache from the cstrike address 10.46.19 Quit JGabcde ("CGI:IRC") 10.46.23 # I'll kill that domain 10.46.23 Join JGabcde [0] (i=46177202@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b34701dfb38581fe) 10.46.24 # austriancoder: That's an unwritten rule.... ;) 10.46.57 # no it's not 10.47.01 # Just for function declarations, the opening brace should be on a new line. For the rest of the code, the choice is your own. 10.47.11 # omg 10.47.23 # how come my ipod keeps saying data abort 10.47.25 # GodEater: What is not? 10.47.25 # ?? 10.47.33 # it's not unwritten 10.47.36 # it's very clearly written 10.47.40 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 10.47.43 # when is it data aborting? 10.47.46 # That's good - where is it written? 10.47.58 # when i try to watch mpeg 10.48.07 # and play the voice recording 10.48.08 # s 10.48.15 # and some gameboy games 10.48.34 # Zagor: I managed to land on rockbox via cstrike when googling yesterday... I didn't notice until I saw the address in the browser 10.48.47 # how are you recording the voice, what video are you playing and how is it encoded? 10.48.50 # linuxstb: http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/contributing.html 10.48.53 # yeah, I guess that is the source of this problem 10.49.05 # linuxstb: under the "style" section 10.49.17 # o i was recording my voice through the microphone 10.49.23 # no i mean 10.49.26 # earbuds 10.49.51 # GodEater: I'm talking about the unwritten rule that says that the opening brace for a function must be on its own line. 10.50.03 # linuxstb: ah I see 10.50.11 # someone ought to change contributing then 10.50.17 # * linuxstb hopes he's not talking rubbish... 10.50.18 # * austriancoder thinks its maybe time for a CodingStyle like the one from Linux Kernel 10.50.19 # I personally don't like that though - it's a waste of a line 10.50.38 # ?? 10.50.43 # GodEater: Whitespace is good... 10.50.46 # GodEater: lines are cheap 10.50.49 # I always write mine as : int do_stuff_to_the_thing() { 10.50.59 # * petur puts _all_ braces on a new line - more readable 10.51.01 # the svn co is very slow. is that a problem on my side? 10.51.18 # * amiconn agrees with petur 10.51.19 # GodEater: buy a bigger display :p 10.51.27 # linuxstb, Zagor: then change the contributing page 10.51.35 # * austriancoder not ... k&r is better in my mind 10.51.45 # * GodEater agrees with austriancoder 10.51.49 # bah 10.51.59 # GodEater: yes, we should. it is an actual rule we want to keep, so it should be written. 10.52.01 # but it's one of those things people just can't agree on 10.52.02 # so just write it down 10.52.46 # * ddalton agrees with petur 10.53.58 # * ddalton Finds it anoying with a screen reader to have the braces on the same line as the code. For example if(x==y){ isn't how I like it. 10.54.07 # I can imagine 10.54.16 # are you talking to me? 10.54.19 # yes 10.54.25 # I can see your point of view perfectly 10.54.36 # yeah your right listening to the whole line is quite anoying. 10.54.38 # which underlines my request to have the rule written down 10.54.55 # I thought you like if(x==y){ ? 10.55.12 # I do 10.55.20 # but that doesn't mean I won't agree to follow the rules here 10.55.20 # anyone want to close p7525? 10.55.29 # ok then 10.55.56 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@tux.isd-internet.de) 10.56.03 # Good morning :) 10.57.26 # the rule only applies to function declarations. inside the function you may brace as you wish. 10.57.33 # or rather function definitions... 10.57.41 # ok then 10.57.47 # were you talking to me? 10.58.01 # hehe, to anyone caring 10.58.24 # ok so your talking about my line that said: "if(x==y){ is ok? 10.58.32 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF6F0D.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.58.37 # yes 10.58.44 # so that is ok 10.58.58 # yes, if you're writing a new file 10.59.11 # if you're modifying a file, you must follow whatever style the file is already using 10.59.21 # ddalton: are you sure you want your own patch closed? 10.59.40 # ok as a blind half programmer if that makes any sence. I would prefer the braces on a new line. 10.59.57 # this makes reviewing code easier and quicker 11.00.26 # well do you think it does anything useful? 11.00.44 # petur I was talking to you 11.01.26 # ddalton: I can read it, so I'm not to judge if it is usefull for you... 11.01.46 # well I thought most people would know how big there disk is. 11.01.51 # and wouldn't want to know 11.02.06 Quit JGabcde ("CGI:IRC") 11.02.15 # * ddalton needs to update it because p7561 was committed. 11.02.44 # * petur directs attention to payed work before boss complains... 11.03.15 # ddalton: did you hear the output of espeak + mbrola ? 11.03.33 # I will update it and then you guys can close it, committed it or just leave it there. doesn't worry me... 11.04.33 # markun: no what is that? 11.05.36 # markun: does it sound ok? 11.05.55 # * ddalton wonders why it takes 3 minutes to copy rockbox source! 11.06.12 # lots of files 11.06.26 # ok does your's take that long? 11.06.37 # ddalton: it thought it sounded pretty good. Llorean made a rockbox voice file using it. 11.06.50 # ddalton: which player do you have again? 11.07.04 # markun: so it is a synth for linux/windows? 11.07.52 # markun: iriver h300 11.09.08 # ddalton: yes, mbrola is a diphone synthesizer for linux/windows and can be used as a backend with espeak 11.09.21 # Llorean: care to make a h300 voice file? 11.09.37 # markun: so how can I get that on cygwin? 11.09.50 Quit spiorf (Connection timed out) 11.11.34 # markun: Are there no moderators at mygigabeat.com to clean the spam? 11.11.40 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ppp181-249.adsl.forthnet.gr) 11.11.41 # linuxstb: nope 11.12.06 # linuxstb: I was made moderator but that didn't give me any extra options 11.12.17 # it's very very anoying 11.13.32 # ddalton: I don't think that mbrola works with cygwin 11.13.37 # do you indent #if? 11.14.02 # markun: It's a shame. The Monkey's Audio forums are similarly neglected. 11.14.14 # * ddalton will have to waight for this linux box. 11.14.31 # linuxstb: I talk to tomas about it from time to time, but he has 0 time to do anything about it 11.14.55 # and doesn't want to switch to a new forum without being able to import the old threads (excluding SPAM I hope) 11.16.04 # http://tcts.fpms.ac.be/synthesis/mbrola/mbrolatools.html <-- cygwin mbrola tools apparently 11.16.29 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 11.16.43 # morrijr: I stand corrected :) 11.17.01 # np :) 11.17.21 # not that I've tried them. 11.28.02 Join kubiixaka [0] (n=Miranda@ip-89-103-17-41.karneval.cz) 11.28.28 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 11.28.41 # ddalton: preprocessor stuff like #if #else #endif #ifdef aren't indented 11.30.16 # ok thanks that's what I found when searching through the code. 11.30.47 # * ddalton Should probably know these basics even though indenting is a visual thing. 11.31.03 # Anyone know anything about replacement batteries for the (FM) recorder v2? Apparently it uses the same battery as the AV300, which I'm looking for a new battery for. Or does anyone have any general advice on how to choose from those many sellers on ebay? 11.31.39 # linuxstb: i think i posted a couple links in the forums semi-recently about v2 batteries 11.32.41 # Llorean: I'll just remove this post, ok? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12376.0 11.33.05 # the move notice? =P 11.33.11 # it hurts my eyes and the poster already know it has been moved 11.33.13 # scorche: yes :) 11.34.18 # the whole thread should be deleted imo ... 11.34.25 # heh... 11.34.40 # yeah 11.34.41 # i expect he shall be banned soon if he keeps it up 11.35.52 # "Sorry, but you don't have the privilege to remove just any topic." 11.35.57 # bastards! :) 11.36.16 # blame Llorean ;-) 11.37.20 # who? 11.37.28 # is it just me or are the forums lagging? 11.37.52 # scorche: Thanks - I've found the thread. 11.38.11 # ddalton: who will be banned? 11.38.21 # DerPapst: forums are fine for me 11.38.22 # yes 11.38.23 # Pink Floyd i guess 11.38.39 # they don't load.. bummer :-/ 11.39.01 # anyone know how to voice a gui_syncsplash? 11.39.17 # now they work again... ah whatever :P 11.40.23 Join bsdfox__ [0] (n=h36sa@dialup-4.182.57.221.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net) 11.40.26 # ddalton: just an anoying forum user 11.44.17 # ddalton: wasnt the patch to automatically voice splashes commited? 11.44.55 # JdGordon: I have found one that doesn't talk. and I don't know how to make it voice. 11.45.01 # "Scanning disk" 11.45.36 # gui_syncsplash really should atumatically voice every time if the string is a LANG_ 11.45.50 # maybe voice isn't loaded at that point yet? 11.46.01 # doesn't it have to be id2p instead of str? 11.46.12 # anyone know Linus's whereabouts? 11.46.16 # how do you load the voice? 11.46.30 # ddalton: you dont.... 11.46.38 # if its not loaded yet you cant do anything about it 11.46.42 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p549666E7.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.46.46 # well, if the system hasn't loaded the voice already it simply isn't up "enough" 11.47.02 # ok so if it has do I change str to id2p? 11.47.11 # or ID2P 11.47.19 # no 11.47.41 # if voice isn't running yet this won't work 11.47.42 # I think bluebrother might be right... that splash just wont talk 11.48.24 # you need to go through system boot far enough until you can voice something. I guess that point simply isn't reached when that splash appears. 11.48.54 # .... and I think the voice wont be loaded untill after the audio has been setup, which is well after dircache runs 11.49.02 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host180-201-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 11.49.04 # in his patch he removes the line: gui_syncsplash(HZ*2, str(LANG_PLAYLIST_CONTROL_ACCESS_ERROR)); 11.49.14 # and replaces it with: gui_syncsplash(HZ*2, ID2P(LANG_PLAYLIST_CONTROL_ACCESS_ERROR)); 11.49.35 # no I am talking about under the info screen. 11.49.41 # and I think that does work. 11.49.45 # oh... 11.49.46 # hmm 11.49.53 # there is a "scanning disc" splash too? 11.49.55 # I will and find out. 11.49.58 # try 11.50.10 # I think it is! 11.50.17 # ok, for that case it should be possible. Thought you'd refer to the bootup "scanning disc" 11.50.42 # JdGordon: did you remove the eq menu low latency callback when converting the eq menu? 11.50.46 # no that wouldn't be possible I don't think. 11.51.21 # preglow: umm, cant remember... 11.51.34 # acctually.. I think the eq menu was converted by someone else 11.52.08 # really? i could have sworn the commit logs says it was you 11.52.26 Quit CaptainSquid ("Miranda IM!") 11.52.40 # Bagder: i'm not getting any commit mails, what gives? 11.53.18 # preglow: ok, well either way, I cant remember doing it... why? 11.53.44 # JdGordon: because eq menu doesn't enter low latency mode any longer, and the menu macro system is confusing me :> 11.54.05 Quit bsdfox_ (Connection timed out) 11.55.34 # preglow: alrighty, when should it go low latency? entering any setting or make it easy and enter when the menu it entered? 11.55.39 # I think there is probably about 4 or 5 splash screens that still don't talk. 11.56.39 # JdGordon: might as well just enter it when entering the main eq menu 11.56.51 # ddalton: do a search fo gui_syncsplash in the sources... i can see a few which use str() instead of ID2P 11.56.57 # JdGordon: so the low latency mode has time to wait for some buffer flushing before another setting is attempted 11.57.07 # alrighty, ill do that now 11.57.14 # hweq also? 11.57.19 # or not needed there? 11.57.19 # no reason for it, that's hardware 11.57.30 # and has no latency 11.57.50 # I am not getting all commits. 11.59.21 # JdGordon: there's a callback for entering low latency mode already, at the top of sound_menu.c 11.59.25 # preglow: the sw eq is only on swcodec right? 11.59.26 # don't know if you can reuse that 11.59.29 # JdGordon: aye 11.59.48 # I guess that could be reused... 11.59.58 # well, reuse is good :) 12.01.58 # ddalton: Still want to try an H300 voice file with the voice Markun was talking about? 12.02.05 # markun: I was out eating, I can make it now 12.02.47 # Llorean: np :) 12.02.59 # a nice girl? :) 12.03.07 Quit daurnimator ("Cyas later...") 12.03.25 # Just dinner alone. There's a nice cafe where I can have peace. 12.03.42 # * ddalton build might compile! 12.03.42 # Is svn.rockbox.org not available right now? 12.03.56 # preglow: do you want to test this out before I commit? 12.04.17 # markun: we should definitely have more girls in here ;-) 12.06.44 # * Llorean pokes svn.rockbox.org 12.06.51 # Llorean: I only tried the voice file in the sim and heard a lot of clipping, is that normal? 12.07.07 # then you probably have to increase the eyecandines factor a bit :P 12.07.21 # markun: I don't hear a lot of clipping on-target, at least on my Gigabeat. There are a few pops at the beginning of clips when you interrupt another clip, but I think that's just normal with voice 12.07.38 Join Entames__ [0] (n=Jarred@ppp121-45-50-38.lns11.adl2.internode.on.net) 12.07.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.08.12 # DerPapst: make irc more fluffy? ;-) 12.08.19 # JdGordon: sure 12.08.34 # * JdGordon was half way through commit message :p 12.08.42 # go ahead anyway 12.08.47 # i can test after commit too, i don't really care 12.08.55 # ddalton: http://llorean.dyndns.org/rockbox/voice/ There's an english-h300.voice there, try it as english.voice and see what you think. 12.09.10 # the patch does nothing more than change the NULL on line eq_menu.c:639 to soundmenu_callback 12.09.36 # ... commited 12.09.51 # the patch is yeah, tiny, so if it doesnt work no big deal :p 12.10.39 # rasher: I just added auto-detection of encoder / tts binary to rbutil. It's just linux for now -- if you know / have an idea how to do this on w32 please let me know. 12.10.46 # austriancoder: hey, whats the story with usb? (you btw commited config-e200.h, so usb is enabled) 12.11.10 # bluebrother: Is there any way you could add the option for a custom TTS commandline? 12.11.18 # * JdGordon apologies, missed the next commit :p 12.11.21 # JdGordon: checkin it out now 12.11.25 # For use with any program / command line that can except a string as input, and output a .wav file 12.11.47 # well, the idea was to only provide presets 12.12.05 # Well, for mbrole you have to pipe the espeak output through mbrole, so it's not quite "simple" 12.12.11 # Though an espeak+mbrole preset would also work. 12.12.31 # you can simply add new engines to rbutil.ini -- if that file is in the program folder it will be used rather than the compiled-in config 12.12.41 # But for that you need to either predefine where they should install the mbrole voices, give RBUtil the option to download the mbrole voices for them, or let them define it. 12.12.49 # hmm, no idea how piping can be handled ... 12.12.51 # Llorean: it's mbrolA, right? 12.12.55 # mbrola 12.13.06 Quit Entasis_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.13.07 # Yeah, for some reason my brain really wants it to be mbrole, I don't know why 12.13.20 # bluebrother: The command line looks like this: espeak -v mb-en1 -f textfile | mbrola -e /usr/share/mbrola/en1 - test.wav 12.13.32 # JdGordon: thanks a bunch, that's fixed 12.13.33 Part wookey__ 12.13.37 # Where /usr/share/mbrola/en1 is where you've manually downloaded the voice file (none are installed automatically) 12.13.42 # hmm. How does it work on windows? 12.13.46 # preglow: k great 12.13.48 # In windows it's fine 12.13.53 # bluebrother: The windows espeak uses the mbrola dll. 12.13.57 # No piping necessary 12.14.14 # Windows user just need to have the mbrola voices in the right folder 12.14.15 Join spiorf_ [0] (n=spiorf@host231-22-dynamic.21-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 12.14.16 # double-closed the fs entry too :> 12.14.17 # but it might work if you use the "espeak (user-adjusted)" preset and adjust the executable line 12.14.26 # bluebrother: http://espeak.sourceforge.net/mbrola.html 12.14.31 # :) 12.15.04 # bluebrother: At least with the ../configure for normal Rockbox voice building, they set it up in such a way that while you can modify the command line options for espeak, how it adds -w blah.wav at the end is hard-coded so you can't get around it like that. 12.15.28 # Espeak needs to not have a set output, since it instead outputs a bunch of text on stdout which mbrola then speaks to the wav file 12.16.00 Join CaptainSquid [0] (n=Miranda@proxy16.netz.sbs.de) 12.16.04 # by the way, anyone got any ideas on how to implement codec options? 12.16.17 # Same way as recorder codecs? 12.16.26 # s/recorder/recording/ 12.16.34 # * linuxstb hopes preglow doesn't ask what that is... 12.16.36 # how's it done there? 12.16.37 # :-) 12.16.44 # * linuxstb points to jhMikeS 12.16.46 # where are codec options needed? 12.16.46 # jhMikeS is the one to ask I tink 12.17.22 # i was just looking at the fs entry for ac3 mixdown options 12.17.37 # and thought it was a valid enough request, might also make room for codec quality options some day 12.17.45 # ddalton: If you'd like to try the espeak+mbrola voice, there's an english-h300.voice here, that you can rename to english.voice and try: http://llorean.dyndns.org/rockbox/voice/ 12.17.58 # You should probably choose to save-as rather than just clicking on it. 12.19.50 Join scorche` [0] (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 12.22.23 # yep thanks I got it 12.22.29 Quit spiorf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.25.02 # sounds good 12.26.48 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@236.28.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 12.28.07 # Hi there 12.28.10 # hi The-Compiler 12.28.12 Join fm2 [0] (i=c27f0814@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-be24f5fbbc59e192) 12.28.39 # GodEater: why did you choose to disable removing entries from non-default link files? 12.33.25 # jhMikeS: your asleep arnt you? 12.34.49 Quit scorche (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.34.49 Nick scorche` is now known as scorche (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 12.36.51 # fm2: read linuxstb's message ~0:04am? 12.40.31 # DerPapst: yes. I now understand how and why. (But not the makefile :-) 12.40.49 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 12.41.09 Quit ze (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.41.23 # heh ;) 12.43.47 Part fm2 ("back to non-existence") 12.43.51 # * Nico_P borrowed an iPod 3G from a friend to test rockbox on it 12.44.10 # installing with rbutilqt was a real pleasure... one click :) 12.44.37 # I don't really like the wheel though 12.44.45 # D: 12.44.57 # and sometimes the buttons just seem to act up 12.45.06 # like they think I'm still pressing them 12.45.11 # i think the wheel is pretty nice of the 3G 12.45.45 # hrm.. i have that button porblem on a semi broken 3G too 12.46.06 # but i thought that was a hw issue since i didn't get this problem on my other 3G 12.46.26 # though i haven't used it much in the past few weeks. 12.46.38 # preglow: As codecs are hard-coded (in metadata.c), we could just add any codec-specific settings to the global settings. Especially as I can't imagine many codec-specific options. 12.46.53 # DerPapst: right now I almost can't do anything, it's worst than yesterday 12.47.03 # s/worst/worse 12.47.52 # * DerPapst hast to play a bit with his working 3G, testing the buttons, using plugins... 12.48.21 # rasher: ping... 12.48.22 # on my half broken 3G the buttons don't work after a minute or less 12.48.44 # DerPapst: here they seem to work when they want to 12.48.48 # very annoying 12.49.01 # iirc flipping hold on and off fixes it for a short time. not sure though 12.49.02 # the wheel seems to work fine though 12.49.21 Quit ddalton ("leaving") 12.49.27 Join ddalton [0] (n=daniel@203-214-50-20.dyn.iinet.net.au) 12.49.30 # yeah it seemed to be related to hold ad it started appearing after the first time I flipped the switch 12.51.15 # * Nico_P bbs 12.53.37 # amiconn: here now 12.54.01 # rasher: I was trying to extend the vbscript in order to allow specifying the voice to use. 12.54.19 # But there is a fundamental problem with the Makefile: 12.54.47 # When specifying more than one language, configure asks for engine and encoder options for each language, 12.55.05 # but only the last selection is used 12.55.39 Quit pepie34 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12.56.03 # amiconn: That feature's disabled (hidden) for now 12.56.04 # linuxstb: yeah, i guess that'd be the straightforward way of doing it, but i'd hate to extend the codec specific stuff in the core 12.56.10 # not that it matters much... 12.56.13 # amiconn: for that exact reason 12.56.47 # amiconn: so for now it's one configure-run per language/setting 12.57.41 # linuxstb: but yeah, anyway, i don't have any good codec settings to add anyway 12.57.51 # linuxstb: would ac3 have any worth adding? 12.58.15 # rasher: Hmm? I was able to configure more than one language today... 12.58.31 Join Redbreva_Away [0] (n=chatzill@host86-142-54-122.range86-142.btcentralplus.com) 12.58.32 Quit spiorf_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.58.50 Nick Redbreva_Away is now known as Redbreva (n=chatzill@host86-142-54-122.range86-142.btcentralplus.com) 12.59.14 # amiconn: As I said, it's just hidden - the configure script no longer says "you can select more than one language", but the code is still there (in the language-select part) 12.59.57 # Because I did away with the "voicesettings-$language" file 13.00.06 # Maybe I need to reintroduce that 13.01.36 # Even that wouldn't be a nice solution. I would like to be able to select the same language more than once 13.01.47 # (precisely, 4x english + 2x german) 13.02.17 # Maybe configure could generate a script, adding lines as it goes? 13.03.07 # Sure, it just seems cleaner to have everything inside the makefile, but I guess it's more or less our only choice 13.03.24 Join pepie34 [0] (n=pepie34@cop60-1-82-240-26-92.fbx.proxad.net) 13.07.32 # I wonder whether it's better to change the vbscript into a "command server" and keep the logic (generate clip, wavtrim, encode) in voice.pl, or make the vbscript execute all 3 steps (requires exceptions for sapi in voice.pl) 13.07.50 # All 3 steps at once, I mean 13.08.11 # Actually, it doesn't require exceptions iirc 13.08.37 # Ah, yes, I'm talking crazy talk 13.09.26 # I will also add sapi4 support 13.09.41 # (that's almost trivial) 13.10.08 # I think adding special-cases for sapi is acceptable 13.10.46 # Unless it turns out to not give much benefit, in which case I guess we can scrap it 13.10.59 # Although I'm not sure how we're going to pass encoder options to the vbscript? 13.11.31 # and the commit mails started pouring in 13.11.57 # Not here. I must obviously be less important. 13.13.18 # FS#7672 (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7672) sounds really bizarre 13.13.31 Join `sam` [0] (n=sam@CPE-75-81-234-51.we.res.rr.com) 13.13.39 # rasher: That's a known H10 issue really 13.13.55 # When the voltage gets low, the ADC used for reading the touchpad gets unreliable, and picks up a lot of "Up" presses, shortly before the power goes out. 13.14.05 Join rvvs89_ [0] (n=0d1N@unaffiliated/rvvs89) 13.14.05 # Hah 13.14.29 # So, dips can trigger both this and the low-voltage poweroff apparently 13.14.44 # rasher: Either as command line options, or via stdin 13.14.51 # <`sam`> i've restored my ipod, followed the instructions for installing from the manual, and i still get rockbox.ipod not found when i try to start rockbox, on a 5.5G ipod video 13.15.09 # That was my idea with the command server - passing commands to execute in the script 13.15.11 # amiconn: I guess the safest option is to pass stuff on stdin. A few setup-lines 13.15.30 # Ah, just giving it commands, that would work even easier 13.15.44 # E.g. SPEAKVOICE_ONE.wavone 13.16.15 # ...and EXEClame --whatever-option infile.wav outfile.mp3 13.16.16 # `sam`: try using RockboxUtility instead 13.16.50 # The EXEC would be a literal exec of whatever command line you pass it - would work the same for other encoders or wavtrim 13.17.05 # Sounds good 13.17.14 # But that involves more data passing than making the vbscript execute all 3 steps at once 13.17.40 # Do you think that's going to be a problem? 13.18.08 # I really don't. The perl script has proven itself to be quite fast once it's started 13.18.30 Quit ddalton (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.18.39 # Yeah, but I don't know how much overhead the stdin passing of text adds 13.19.12 # <`sam`> GodEater, should i delete the .rockbox folder first, before trying the RockboxUtility ? 13.19.30 # amiconn: I'm guessing "very little". 13.19.37 # `sam`: it shouldn't matter 13.20.00 Join fm2 [0] (i=c27f0814@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3a9089fd1c6f75e4) 13.20.16 # GodEater: seen my question at 12:28? 13.20.18 # <`sam`> is there an amd64 deb anywhere? 13.20.47 # bluebrother: I'd say check the PATH on Windows as well. That's probably the best you can do. 13.20.47 # fm2: I did. I think the reasoning was that since you have to manually create the things outside of the plugin, that's where you should manage their content in whole. 13.21.48 # bluebrother: The same should work, I imagine, on OS X 13.22.10 # GodEater: ah, you mean that only the default file is created / appended to by the plugin so the removing of entries should do the same? That's sensible! 13.22.31 # fm2: precisely 13.22.47 Join ze [0] (i=ze@cpe-76-175-22-254.socal.res.rr.com) 13.23.03 # GodEater: I'll put this in as a comment then 13.23.44 # fm2: good idea ;) 13.24.17 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.24.33 # I often find myself not understanding my own decisions (after some time). And am always glad to find a comment explaining why. 13.24.45 # indeed 13.24.57 # in fact - I could have sworn I did comment that 13.25.02 # I must have dreamt it :) 13.25.13 Join ddalton [0] (n=daniel@203-214-50-20.dyn.iinet.net.au) 13.25.39 Part fm2 ("gone commenting...") 13.25.40 # how do I run dos2unix on a dir and all sub dirs? 13.25.44 # rasher: QUIT would then be a normal command, and we could have some CONF_* commands as well 13.25.58 # ddalton: I don't think you can 13.26.02 # ddalton: not directly anyway 13.26.04 # amiconn: sounds good, as long as you write the vbs 13.26.13 # ddalton: you'd probably have to do some fancy bash scripting 13.26.26 # ddalton: find . -type f -exec dos2unix "{}" ";" 13.26.39 # because I wrote a patch that modified about 8 different files. 13.26.50 # anyway I will see if I can remember them all. 13.27.48 # I got my disk scan thing to work as well. So if you press select in the info screen and it says "scanning disk" it also voices "Scanning disk" 13.28.36 # so I just type find . -type f -exec dos2unix "{}" ";" 13.28.51 # ddalton: That should work, yes 13.32.00 # rasher: No problem... 13.33.09 # Hmm, we probably need feedback... 13.34.30 # That is, we need a way to synchronise operation - sometimes... 13.36.19 # While generating clips, slight asynchronous operation is in fact desirable, but all speaking/trimming/encoding must be finished before voicefont is executed 13.37.44 # Hmm, and there is pool operation 13.38.03 # where can I get main_menu.c from? 13.38.14 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host214-201-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 13.42.22 Quit Siltaar (Remote closed the connection) 13.42.30 # ddalton: apps/menus/ 13.43.30 # what is the site? 13.43.59 Join jac0b [0] (n=jac0b@gifn3.fpl.com) 13.44.44 Quit rvvs89_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.44.54 # amiconn: ugh.. having to read from the vbs script makes things much more complicated unfortunately 13.45.15 Quit jac0b (Client Quit) 13.47.44 Quit ddalton ("Leaving") 13.54.44 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@86.66.198.161) 13.54.52 Join Tri [0] (n=Tri@117.5.65.41) 13.55.26 Quit iamben (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.03.23 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 14.03.37 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@westquad-188-46.reshall.umich.edu) 14.07.01 # bluebrother: how does rbutil translation work ? 14.07.13 # I'd like to try doing a quick french one 14.07.55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.08.01 # Nico_P: add a new file to the TRANSLATIONS in rbutilqt.pro 14.08.14 # Does kdevelop have an interface for it? 14.08.20 # Because the xml file looked rather unfriendly 14.08.36 # then run lupdate on the project file 14.08.55 # rasher: I clicked on the ts file and it was opened with "Qt linguist" 14.08.59 # and then fire up linguist-qt4 :) 14.09.11 # Ah, there's a linquiet 14.09.13 # bluebrother: thanks 14.09.15 # linguist 14.10.17 # to use the language you need to run lrelease. This will create the output .qm file 14.10.18 # bluebrother: how come the german translation doesn't appear in the config dialog ? 14.10.21 # ah 14.10.43 # because it isn't "released" ;-) 14.11.35 # afaik the makefile doesn't do this. No idea why ... 14.11.52 # bluebrother: How would you feel about a first rbutil release soon? 14.12.15 # Some magazine wants to distribute Rockbox, and rbutil might be a better choice.. 14.12.23 # rasher: I agree 14.12.27 # Even though it's not complete yet 14.12.41 # It supports installing Rockbox and the bootloader though, "fully", right? 14.12.48 # bluebrother: I used rbutilqt to install rockbox on an ipod 3G I borrowed and it was *smooth* 14.13.04 # rasher: my intention is to make the current state a first test release 14.13.29 # Can't get better testing than including it on a cover-cd... 14.14.13 # indeed ... but maybe we should add a "support" entry in the help menu first? 14.14.34 # possibly linking it to a wiki page or some rbutil-dedicated forum (if we decide to create one)? 14.14.49 # Sounds reasonable 14.17.11 # <`sam`> ok i used the rockboxutility, and i'm still getting the error about rockbox.ipod not found 14.17.25 # hmm, path detection on windows is a bit different to linux ... those quoted paths are annoying :( 14.18.28 Quit midgey () 14.18.41 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 14.19.21 # while rbutil supports all basic functionality (imo ;-) it isn't well-tested. 14.19.38 # so we need testers ... ;-) 14.20.03 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@westquad-188-46.reshall.umich.edu) 14.24.10 Quit Tri ("Leaving") 14.24.22 # what's this driver stuff switching thing in the usb stack? 14.24.30 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-024-162-254-070.nc.res.rr.com) 14.24.49 # rasher: Do you have a better idea? 14.25.26 # bluebrother: I see a bad english string here: "Firmware doesn not exist: %1" 14.25.50 # amiconn: I'm not sure I quite understand why we need feedback? 14.26.42 # <`sam`> looks like my partitions are messed up, or rockbox bootloader is detecting something wrong: Partition 1: 0x0B 7130 MB, but the partitions is like 28 GB 14.27.01 Quit The-Compiler (Remote closed the connection) 14.27.06 # rasher: The perl script passes commands to the vbscript, which runs in its own process. For some operations the perl script needs to know that the vbscript finished executing the command(s) 14.27.11 # Partition 1 ? 14.27.17 # as in the first one ? 14.27.23 # ...e.g. you can only copy the .mp3 file after it has been generated 14.27.45 # It's pure luck that it works right now 14.27.52 # Oh dear, yse 14.27.58 # <`sam`> GodEater, there are 2 partitions, one that says "empty" in fdisk, and the 2nd one is vfat 14.28.00 # Actually, no 14.28.10 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@236.28.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 14.28.12 # The write will not complete until the vbscript has eaten it 14.28.26 # Hmm, and it probably doesn't work correctly right now, as it seems the wavtrim step isn't applied 14.28.26 # `sam`: I think you may need to do a restore of your MBR - it sounds like your partition table is screwed up 14.28.39 # But there's still a time from the read in the vbscript til the mp3 is available, I guess 14.28.42 Quit obo ("bye") 14.28.46 # rasher: Are you sure? I would expect the streams to be buffered 14.29.04 # And even if the vbscript eats the command that doesn't mean it finished executing 14.29.17 # Yeah, that's my second point, so it's a problem regardless 14.29.21 Quit tchan ("WeeChat 0.2.6-cvs") 14.29.22 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.dsl.t-2.net) 14.29.37 # I guess we do need bidirectional communication 14.29.45 # But if it's only that, and not additional buffering, the solution is simple 14.30.02 Join tchan [0] (n=tchan@lunar-linux/developer/tchan) 14.30.02 # Then we can have a SYNC command that doesn't actually do anything 14.30.33 # The perl script would issue the SYNC command, which would block until it's eaten by the vbscript, which means that the previous command finished 14.31.06 # ah, that might just work 14.31.33 # Of course, assuming it's not actually buffered 14.32.26 # * petur points preglow towards austriancoder 14.32.30 # <`sam`> GodEater, after restoring the mbr, will i need to repartition and reformat? 14.32.55 # `sam`: well if your partition layout matches what's in the MBR then no 14.33.00 # otherwise, yes you will 14.33.10 # Bagder: you round? 14.33.49 # Nico_P: yep, that's a typo 14.34.00 # preglow: that it is possible to switch between serial and storage usb device driver at runtime... default is storage 14.34.24 # bluebrother: what should I do about it ? 14.34.52 # austriancoder: we have a usb icon thanks to rasher which we'll commit once its finished... (breaks themes when it goes in so best wait as long as we can) :) 14.34.53 # ignore it or fix it ;-) 14.35.00 # .. for the menus im talking about 14.35.03 # I can fix it too if you like that better 14.35.05 # bluebrother: how do I fix it :) 14.36.10 # JdGordon: cool 14.36.17 # Nico_P: just did it ;-) It's a string in installbootloader.cpp 14.36.32 # Qt puts all translateable strings into tr() calls. 14.36.48 # bluebrother: ah so the strings aren't in a special file ? that's cool 14.37.08 # bluebrother: what does that change for me now ? do I have to rerun lupdate ? 14.37.08 # encoder / tts detection should now work on windows too. Stupid OS. 14.37.11 # bluebrother: Perhaps I should ask our tango-dude for a "talk" icon? 14.37.33 # Nico_P: yes ... you'll get a new string now (and need to translate that new string again) 14.37.40 # ok 14.37.42 # unless you simply hack the xml file ;-) 14.38.38 # rasher: I like the current icon, but if someone does a better one we can include I won't intervene 14.38.52 Join O112358 [0] (i=52236176@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-fca26b9a57be30d0) 14.39.12 # bluebrother: It's not tango though :\ 14.39.21 # hey 14.39.33 # rasher: feel free to improve the icons with better ones. 14.40.02 # I just used the gnome-desktop icons from my box (which should be gpl) 14.40.34 # is it true that h300 battery life issues have been solved?! 14.40.37 # bluebrother: I didn't even need to retranslate :) 14.40.43 # It's only the talkfile_btn.png that offends me 14.40.55 # Nico_P: cool. 14.40.56 # O112358: what h300 battery issues ? 14.41.20 # rockbox was eating more battery than original firmware 14.41.25 # GodEater: maybe he referrs to the USBOTG chip issues ... that were solved _really_ long ago 14.41.40 # I was going to say - I wasn't aware of any recent issues with it 14.41.41 # ages! 14.41.44 # that's the one >< 14.41.51 # I think it's at least one year now 14.42.03 # my battery has been dead for about a year.. 14.42.30 # * bluebrother would have replaced the battery when it died 14.42.35 # i did 14.42.42 # and then it ballooned 14.42.56 # and now my player smells like acid 14.43.00 # oops. Doesn't sound nice. 14.43.03 # O112358: buy a good brand 14.43.07 # * O112358 cries into his iriver 14.43.08 # cheap replacement? 14.43.11 # yeah 14.43.25 # O112358: don't make it wet ... ;-) 14.43.37 # * O112358 stops crying 14.43.46 Quit `sam` (Nick collision from services.) 14.43.50 # O112358: I have one of these now: http://www.cameronsino.net/ 14.44.00 Join `sam` [0] (n=sam@CPE-75-81-234-51.we.res.rr.com) 14.44.15 # i was looking on ebay today at batteries.. but i'm not sure if i'm better off getting one that says it's for the h320 or a ipod battery.. 14.44.30 # get one that says h3x0 14.44.32 # O112358: r10128 solved that issue ... 16th jun 2006 14.44.34 # the ipod batteries are cheaper and i hear they are the same just wrong polarity 14.44.36 # see link I just gave 14.44.53 # bluebrother: hehe 14.45.08 # I also got an ipod batt and it ballooned - never again! 14.45.33 # <`sam`> GodEater, i restored the mbr, but i'm still seeing the same thing when i reboot the ipod 14.45.38 # I have an ipod battery in my h120. Seems I got luck, works fine 14.45.42 # yes the ebay seller i was looking at was selling cameronsino batteries 14.46.15 # I know of several using cameronsino batteries and all are fine 14.46.20 # `sam`: I'm thinking you may need to do a proper iTunes restore in that case. Something is badly wrong with your disk 14.46.48 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@p54BCFA28.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.47.08 # http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Replacement-for-iRiver-H320-Battery-2200mAh_W0QQitemZ320147421909QQihZ011QQcategoryZ118262QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting 14.47.23 # bluebrother: do you know how I can insert a newline in the translator ? 14.47.35 # i may go for that.. they say they do a 90 day money back guarantee.. 14.47.50 Join seablue [0] (n=s@0x535c1344.banxx3.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) 14.48.17 # O112358: looks like the one I am using now 14.48.41 # hi, is there a way to see if a file is mono oe stereo in rockbox? there doesn't seem to be a WPS tag and i didn't see this info in the id3 info screen. 14.48.58 # petur nice 14.49.08 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@207.72.172.114) 14.49.59 # argh.. i wish i could play around with rockbox with my iriver plugged into the mains.. it's impossible to boot into rockbox without a battery though right? 14.50.09 # right 14.51.09 # i have a feeling ipod batteries are bigger than h320 batteries.. people who use the ipod replacements probably have h340s.. 14.51.55 # bluebrother: I don't think the speech-bubble idea will work very well (in tango style - since it's viewed from the front) - it'll end up covering much of the player. Perhaps a generic DAP with a pair of lips, rather than a screen, or something? 14.52.18 # O112358: the cameronsino battery is a little thicker but also a little less wide, and it fits perfectly (better than an ipod battery, which is a bit too big) 14.53.05 # petur: It probably depends on the quality of the replacement battery. At least the 1st/2nd gen ipod batteries are of the Vmax == 4.2V type like the iriver batteries 14.53.34 # i was looking at http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Replacement-for-Apple-iPod-1st-2nd-Gen-Battery-2200mAh_W0QQitemZ320152083113QQihZ011QQcategoryZ118261QQcmdZViewItem 14.54.41 # same manufacturer.. 14.54.42 # bluebrother: imho, the encoder/tts options should be shown in the grayed-out input box when selecting a preset 14.55.14 # rasher: they are -- on windows. Linux default style Plastique only shows the text greyed out 14.55.19 # O112358: get the one that is specified for h3x0 14.55.31 Join freqmod [0] (n=freqmod@m103h.studby.ntnu.no) 14.55.31 # bluebrother: okay, fair enough 14.55.39 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 14.55.52 # but I was surprised at first too ;) 14.55.54 # i'll do that.. and if it says it's for h340 and i have a h320 it'll be too big right? 14.56.28 # I think h320 and h340 have the same battery 14.58.18 # hmm.. wonder why they name them differently.. 15.00.26 # bluebrother: how about http://rasher.dk/rockbox/dap-lips.png .. Now if only I could find some lips that weren't quite as "kissy" 15.01.01 # hehe -- looks funny. 15.01.21 # I thought about something similar to the icon I saw for kmouth once too 15.01.48 # A big grin.. 15.02.22 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 15.02.28 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 15.02.33 # found it: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/kmouth.png 15.03.33 # Are we going to use the tango icons as a sort of "this is what you selected" indicator in rbutil? 15.03.57 # (of course we'll need to have a full set to be able to do that) 15.04.21 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-209-12.student.uu.se) 15.04.28 # it's a possibility -- like displaying the device icon somewhere in the "Device" box 15.04.43 # and I thought about using the Icons in the device selection dialog as well 15.05.37 # Something like that, yes 15.05.42 # Would be a nice touch 15.05.56 # Of course, it'll add to the binary size 15.06.10 # <`sam`> on a 30GB 5.5G ipod, are either of the default partitions marked bootable? and if so, which one? 15.07.02 # rasher: I saw you message about bitmap stuff being built for the 'features' target, I had seen this but am not sure how to fix it, not being familiar with makefiles etc... 15.07.42 # n1s: I think I have Bagder on the case, but it sounded like it'd be quite some work 15.08.47 # rasher: ok, it doesn't brak anything, just isn' tvery nice... 15.08.57 # s/brak/break 15.09.14 # Yeah, it's harmless except for the time penalty it gives on cygwin 15.09.23 # On linux it's no big deal 15.09.27 # rasher: The stream *is* buffered :( 15.09.38 # amiconn: Ah, that's a bummer 15.09.57 # * amiconn made 2 tiny test scripts to verify 15.10.02 # I guess the perl script will have to wait for a "SYNC" message or something 15.10.29 Quit O112358 ("CGI:IRC") 15.10.55 # So, how do do bidirectional communication? 15.12.41 # in perl? Take a look at how festival gets handled. In particular you want either open2() or open3() 15.13.10 # http://perldoc.perl.org/IPC/Open2.html http://perldoc.perl.org/IPC/Open3.html 15.15.26 # binsize shouldn't be that much of a concern for rbutil -- on windows its about 3MiB packed with upx 15.18.16 # Not too bad 15.18.55 Quit kubiixaka ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 15.18.56 # no. In fact, I was impressed how much upx'ing helps 15.19.41 Join Wiwie [0] (n=goddi@trir-590f8ae5.pool.einsundeins.de) 15.19.54 Join kubiixaka [0] (n=Miranda@ip-89-103-17-41.karneval.cz) 15.21.44 Quit pondlife ("disconnected has pondlife") 15.22.17 # rasher: Hmm, ok. I wonder how init_tts() should handle the various file handles then. Currently it returns the single handle... 15.22.31 # Maybe we need globals for that 15.22.34 # amiconn: it can return a list 15.22.45 # Eh, hash, I believe it's called in perl-speak 15.22.45 # Oh, hmm 15.23.04 # * amiconn needs to read up a bit about perl 15.23.41 # * amiconn spots an odd thing in voice.pl 15.24.05 # rasher: Can you tell what lines 77 and 78 are supposed to do? 15.24.44 # 77 is old cruft 15.24.53 # Should just be deleted 15.25.11 # rasher: what do you think about dropping the archos icon as rbutil icon? IMO this is a bit unfair -- we have lots of other devices now 15.25.23 # bluebrother: I completely agree 15.25.56 # then I'll replace it with the yellow logo-icon 15.26.15 # that was the last thing I want to get done before m1 is reached ;-) 15.26.19 # amiconn: I was planning on passing the opened filehandle along, but the $pid was more interesting. The filehandle will be closed by perl automatically 15.26.25 # (on end-of-script) 15.26.36 # aha 15.27.12 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 15.31.19 # * n1s suspects linuxstb had a severe case of boredom :-D (AOL language) 15.33.00 # <`sam`> GodEater, i think i got it now... i think it was the problem of trying to use mkfs.vfat with 5.5G, i used mformat and i've got rockbox installed and running now 15.47.43 # amiconn: Shouldn't firmware/target/arm/ipod/1g2g be in the tarball? 15.50.01 # It should, I think 15.50.11 # bluebrother: I'm not sure it's a good idea to specifiy the font-size for the texts in rbutilqt 15.50.43 # I assume the pnx0101 stuff in target/ should also be included? Some of the files are left out at the moment 15.51.00 # bluebrother: and what about renaming the 'archos' folder in the simulator.. 15.51.30 # markun: I brougth that up once, no one agreed 15.51.57 # But I think something like "disk" would be more descriptive 15.53.03 # target/ maybe? 15.53.27 Quit PaulJam (".") 15.53.28 # Or player/, or device/ or data/ or any of a number things are "more obvious" than archos. 15.53.37 # dap/ 15.53.45 # But really, if you're building a simulator, you at least know somewhat what you're doing. 15.53.55 # And if you're providing prebuilt simulators, you can name the folder whatever you like. ;) 15.53.57 # Llorean: My users don't 15.54.26 # I'd rather keep my version the exact same as what you'd get if you built svn yourself 15.54.30 # Except for the few shortcuts 15.54.50 # Gotcha 15.55.08 # Same reason I didn't make --background the default, but opted for the .bat file route 15.55.09 # Well, I wouldn't object to it changing, though it is kinda nice to have that nod in there to the original targets. 15.57.21 # Then again, I can't remember anyone actually asking what this "archos" folder meant 15.57.44 # So it's probably a non-issue. It just seems wrong, somehow. 15.59.03 Quit Wiwie ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 15.59.09 # Nico_P: I haven't specified a font size ... designer did ;-) 15.59.36 # bluebrother: oh... these html blocks are a PITA to translate too 16.00.04 Quit kubiixaka ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 16.00.14 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@207.72.172.114) 16.00.19 # yeah ... the only thing I really dislike about designer. 16.00.29 Join kubiixaka [0] (n=Miranda@89.103.17.41) 16.02.50 # amiconn: Should firmware/test/ be in the tarball? It isn't now, and I'm thinking it shouldn't? 16.03.51 # bluebrother: isn't there a way around it ? like concatenating the designer output with tr() strings ? 16.04.04 # rasher: why not? 16.04.07 # is the designer output in tr() calls ? 16.04.14 # rasher: I don't think any of those test apps even builds any more though... 16.04.26 # amiconn: don't know, is it any use? It looks like that dir is pretty stale 16.04.39 # <`sam`> does anybody know of a nice way to sync files between a folder on my computer and one on my ipod? 16.04.45 # Nico_P: I haven't investigated yet. 16.04.57 Quit hcs ("Leaving.") 16.05.11 # In fact I wonder why we need FILES and its ever-missing updates instead of just zipping up the whole source tree 16.05.21 # bluebrother: better to investigate before people start to do a bunch of translations ;) 16.05.22 # `sam`: rsync? 16.05.41 # a reason why I haven't bothered too much about the german translation ;-) 16.05.58 Join Wiwie [0] (n=goddi@trir-590f8ae5.pool.einsundeins.de) 16.05.59 # amiconn: that's probably a good point. I have no idea 16.06.51 # Well, if you zip the tree without 'make veryclean' first, you'll get all the compiled tools ziiped as well 16.07.14 # And we'd need to exclude dotdirs 16.07.51 # Hopefully the build server has space enough to keep a copy of the sourcetree without being used 16.07.58 # bluebrother: hmm judging from the file I don't see a way around this... 16.07.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.07.59 # I'm sure zip can do tat 16.08.28 # JdGordon: we have paged scrolling ... at least on h100 series (play + up / down) 16.08.46 # zip -x@exclude.list 16.08.55 # bluebrother: unless the strings were set at runtime by a source file and not in the ui file 16.08.59 # or just zip -x .svn might work 16.09.18 # linuxstb: would ac3 have any codec options worth adding? 16.09.20 # bluebrother: im pretty sure he wants the "scorlling" like the ipod of does when you enter a submenu 16.09.21 # bluebrother: IIUC, that FS request was for menu transition animations 16.09.39 # ah. Then I misread it. 16.09.49 # bluebrother: I agree with their interpretations to. The post was unclear, but I think that's what he meant 16.10.09 # but I also just did an oops commit, so ... ;-) 16.11.04 Join petur2 [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 16.11.07 Quit petur (Nick collision from services.) 16.11.09 Nick petur2 is now known as petur (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 16.11.54 # preglow: a52dec (the sample application with liba52) has a command-line option to disable dynamic range compression, and another to "disable level adjustment based on output mode" (I'm not sure what that means...) 16.11.57 # <`sam`> are there any programs similar to banshee or amarok that can use the rockbox database? 16.12.40 # `sam`: not that we're aware of 16.13.01 # preglow: You can also specify a gain, but I can't remember where in the decoding process that gain gets applied. 16.13.06 # <`sam`> i might look into that, might not be too hard to add the support into banshee 16.13.37 # `sam`: if you need information on the database, Slasheri is your guy 16.13.46 # `sam`: or the source.. 16.13.50 # linuxstb: but nothing regarding mixdown to stereo? 16.14.07 # preglow: No. 16.15.13 # <`sam`> rasher: ok, i was going to look at the source, but i'm not gonna mess with it right now, i guess his name will appear in the source somewhere?(so i can remember who to ask if i need help) otherwise i should make a note of it... 16.16.32 # `sam`: He's in there by his full name - a quick lookup in the wiki should convert that to Slasheri. apps/tagcache.[ch] is where you'll probably want to look 16.16.48 # Complete with scary-looking ascii-diagram 16.16.50 Quit CaptainSquid (Remote closed the connection) 16.17.17 Join pfarmer [0] (n=Peter@dns01.hbhosting.co.uk) 16.17.30 # preglow: The downmixing seems to be hard-coded. I don't know much about a52 though - maybe the spec would be worth reading: http://www.atsc.org/standards/a_52b.pdf 16.18.03 # bluebrother: rbutilqt has no make install target? 16.18.27 Join BobShield [0] (i=rshield@c-24-15-123-57.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 16.22.41 # bluebrother: for the theme install dialog, IMHO it would be better to have checkboxes to select the themes to be installed 16.23.24 # * amiconn hates menu animations 16.24.02 # They cost both ui time and cpu performance, with no benefit 16.24.37 # preglow: Seems that's the new Enhanced AC-3 spec... The old spec is here - http://alsa.cybermirror.org/datasheets/dolby/a_52.pdf 16.24.50 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 16.25.50 # amiconn: Some people would disagree with the "no benefit" part. 16.26.25 # No functional benefit, and an aesthetic benefit of dubious quality, especially relative to any associated costs, then? 16.27.32 # The "of dubious quality, especially relative to any associated costs" part is entirely dependent on who you ask 16.27.51 # That's why it's dubious quality. Not everyone wants it. 16.29.12 # * rasher decides that creating a proper debian package of something not distributed as tarballs is too hard 16.29.21 # linuxstb: i don't really care too much about that specific case, just wondering if there's any point in bothering about codec options at all 16.29.58 Quit pepie34 ("Ex-Chat") 16.31.13 # bluebrother: Does rbutilqt look for rbutil.ini in /etc/ ? 16.35.34 # preglow: I don't think there's enough potential options to warrant a new mechanism for codec-specific settings. Anything we want to add, we could just use global settings for. 16.36.13 # rasher: no. It uses its compiled-in rbutil.ini or (for portable installation) in the program folder 16.36.49 # Aha, why different for portable installation? 16.36.50 # linuxstb: yeah, and the fact that no one has bothered asking so far is a good indication it's not needed 16.37.07 # linuxstb: know what this fella means? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7266 16.37.19 # well, portable installations usually have the configuration in the program folder ;) 16.37.38 # but ideally rbutil.ini is always the compiled-in version so it can't get lost. 16.37.53 # wouldn't be that of an issue for linux but I bet for windows users 16.38.39 # I agree with amiconn about the animations, have been using my old phone this week, no animations in the UI makes it much faster to navigate, where my newer phone that probably has a cpu twice as fast lags like hell when navigating fast 16.39.16 Join christophe [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.39.55 # * bluebrother still uses a phone without animations and likes it 16.40.53 Part christophe 16.40.56 # bluebrother: wouldn't surprise me if a lot of rockbox devs have very basic phones 16.41.12 # I'm not saying I personally want animations. And of course, it should not be done so as to make the interface seem sluggish. I'm just saying that animations are not "obviously useless" 16.41.22 # mine has a b/w screen and virtually no extras 16.41.22 # I would like an option to turn them off though.. 16.43.24 Quit Wiwie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.43.44 Quit pfarmer ("leaving") 16.44.05 Join christophe [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.49.08 # preglow: I'm not sure what you're asking me... I assume he's asking about adjusting the downmixing co-efficients to something different to the A/52 standard. 16.49.16 Join mpeccorini [0] (n=mpeccori@mail1.theargusgroup.us) 16.50.09 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 16.50.27 # linuxstb: I think so too. Looks pretty clear. 16.50.56 # rasher: Looks like open2() is the way to go. This way the vbscript is still able to display messages (for verbose operation) on its own, via stderr 16.51.06 # linuxstb: ok, sounds like a straight reject to me, i don't know why anyone would want that 16.51.12 # markun: did you see my idea about grouping fonts and let the gui request a font with a max size? 16.51.17 # how long am I supposed ot hold MENU+SELECT to reboot an ipod 3G ? 16.51.21 # n1s: no 16.51.31 # amiconn: good point. Can it detect V=1 being set? 16.51.41 # I guess ther perl script could tell it, if not 16.51.42 # Nico_P: The key combinations are different on the 3G 16.51.42 # We need to pass that 16.52.05 # Nico_P: http://ipodlinux.org/Key_Combinations 16.52.08 # Or, if the cygwin env vars are standard env vars, it should be able to read it 16.52.16 # preglow: is AC3 the only multichannel format we support? 16.52.37 # amiconn: no idea if they are 16.52.42 # Other codecs, even mpeg, support multichannel. But the Rockbox decoders don't. 16.52.48 # markun: basically I suggested that fonts in the same font are grouped together in someway and a UI screen can request a font with a max height of say 20 pixels, if the userfont is larger, a smaller one in the same group is used 16.52.50 # Needs testing in my test script pair 16.53.11 # n1s: like a "nimbus" group, right? 16.53.21 # yes 16.54.02 # linuxstb: thanks 16.55.26 # the manual and bootloader mignt need to be changed 16.55.43 # The bootloader *is* changed in svn 16.55.48 # ah 16.55.58 # I got mine with rbutil 16.57.15 # Nico_P: Call yourself a developer? ;) 16.57.35 # * Nico_P has his translator hat one right now 16.57.42 # s/one/on 16.57.51 # * linuxstb mentions MoB 16.58.17 Quit freqmod (Remote closed the connection) 16.58.24 # I did make a couple new commits yesterday 16.58.41 # but currently I'm supposed to be focusing on resits I have soon 16.59.54 # markun: i think ac3 is all that supports decoding more than two channels in a sensible way 17.00.05 # but i don't get why anyone would want to change the stereo mixdown from anything but the spec 17.00.14 # bluebrother: the talkfile creation button makes rbutil segfault here 17.00.33 # preglow: What do you mean by "sensible way" ? What's wrong with, e.g., storing 5 channels in a FLAC file? 17.00.48 # bluebrother: actually no, "ASSERT failure in QSettings: "empty key", file io/qsettings.cpp, line 235" 17.01.13 # preglow: Or are you just talking about lossy compression? 17.01.42 # I guess there is a missing error check there, I might go and check it 17.03.34 # linuxstb: maybe that there is no convension for which channel should be at which location 17.03.52 Quit The-Compiler ("Connection reseted by god") 17.04.12 Quit `sam` ("bbl") 17.04.48 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@236.28.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 17.05.22 Quit The-Compiler (Remote closed the connection) 17.07.06 # linuxstb: i mean changint the downmixing coefficients 17.07.12 # why we'd want to allow that 17.08.17 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@236.28.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 17.09.56 # rasher: it works. 17.10.13 # amiconn: Neat 17.12.25 Join webguest34 [0] (i=d558f5ba@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3be92815b1fb0878) 17.16.35 Quit webguest34 (Client Quit) 17.17.04 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.17.27 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 17.19.15 Join Cruleworld [0] (i=4c100dd9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-af780264c0124a76) 17.20.01 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 17.21.32 # Badger You there? 17.23.11 # Nico_P: what system? I tried on linux, worked fine 17.23.28 # bluebrother: linux too, but I haven't entered any TTS settings 17.25.06 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p549666E7.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.28.01 # ah, that might be the reason. But it should give you an error instead ... 17.28.14 # will check. 17.28.35 # Why would any tts settings be needed? 17.29.09 # you need to choose the profile. And if the setting doesn't exist ... 17.29.48 Quit Cruleworld ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.30.10 # \leave 17.30.13 Part mpeccorini 17.32.00 Quit SirFunk (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.32.43 # Nico_P: strange -- I only get a "path to encoder wrong" error 17.33.28 Join O112358 [0] (i=52236176@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d7cab03349f70520) 17.33.42 # argh i'm so confused 17.34.35 # has anyone else had mysterious problems with their h300 usbotg before? 17.35.37 # O112358: no, do you think it's rockbox related? 17.36.33 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Connection timed out) 17.36.40 # markun: I'm not sure, it used to work before i had rockbox, but i'm not sure if it worked with rockbox aswell.. 17.37.27 # O112358: usbotg is not (yet) supported in rockbox 17.38.08 # petur: yeah, i've been switching to original firmware for usbotg though 17.38.57 # bluebrother: yes it's strange... have you chosed a profile ? I haven't even done that 17.39.32 # no, I even removed the configuration file completely (~/.config/rockbox.org/RockboxUtility.ini) 17.40.29 # hmm, perhaps i should have a shot at making the ipod fiq also write interleaved 16 bit samples to the dac 17.42.20 # preglow: would it solve any problems? 17.43.27 # markun: well, we'd spend less time in fiqs 17.46.20 # Could that improve responsiveness a little during playback? 17.47.02 Quit n17ikh|Lappy (Connection timed out) 17.47.15 Join Wiwie [0] (n=goddi@trir-590f8ae5.pool.einsundeins.de) 17.49.51 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@206-159-155-246.netsync.net) 17.50.54 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@129.120.244.105) 17.56.14 Quit Wiwie (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.01.08 Join XCrazyXLegsX [0] (i=46177202@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ad9bf5beba3c51b9) 18.01.39 # hello? 18.01.45 # hello? 18.01.53 # no 18.02.00 # i can't hear you 18.02.01 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@207.72.172.114) 18.02.07 # yo can Rockbox play radio 18.02.20 # yo on some targets 18.02.35 # wat do u mean? 18.03.11 # What kind of mp3 player (iriver, Sansa, archos, ipod, etc) do you have? 18.03.33 # Ipod 4G Color 18.03.38 # heh 18.03.51 # afaik the iPod doesn't have any radio. 18.03.53 # Then no, there is no radio tuner inside the ipods... 18.04.26 # o and does anybody have a link to ipod linux for 4G Color 18.04.35 # http://ipodlinux.org 18.04.54 # XCrazyXLegsX: You were in here earlier asking the exact same thing, and getting the same answers... 18.05.13 # I tried that and i bricked my ipod like a milion times they say they dont support 4G Color 18.05.24 # XCrazyXLegsX: And why is that our problem? 18.05.45 # guess it not how do u record yourself through the headphones? 18.05.59 Join webguest76 [0] (i=46177202@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-80c8c8f468f908df) 18.06.20 # ?? 18.06.33 # Go into the "Recording" menu, start recording, and then shout loudly into your headphones. 18.06.54 # I know that but how is it doing it?? 18.07.31 # do you mean the technical aspect? 18.07.40 # yeah 18.07.43 # Im trying to make a theme could someone tell me how to start off or give me a program to help me? 18.07.47 # The right channel in the headphone socket doubles as a mic input. 18.08.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.08.11 # webguest76: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToWPSMaking 18.08.21 # o wow so if i but it in the computer where a mic should be would it work 18.08.27 # webguest76: the program is called notepad.exe :P 18.08.46 # webguest76: or maybe http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS 18.09.08 # thanks but i have a theme already im trying to port it 18.09.08 # anyways... 18.09.25 # * DerPapst heads home 18.09.34 Quit DerPapst ("work->home") 18.09.54 # What could I do if i wanted to port a theme 18.10.21 # i tried to port a theme 18.10.21 Quit O112358 ("CGI:IRC") 18.10.30 # and then my ipod wasnt working 18.10.53 # webguest76: The exact same things you do to create a theme, you're just modifying one instead of starting from scratch. 18.11.26 # What file would I have to modify? 18.11.44 # The wps file... 18.11.54 # Have you read those pages? 18.11.58 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust362.winn.cable.ntl.com) 18.12.23 # And what if the theme is for another player model could I convert it somehow for usage with another player? 18.13.05 # webguest76: Read those pages, please. You'll see how to modify one. 18.13.12 # Ok 18.13.45 # XCrazyXLegsX, webguest76: and why do you use 2 nicks? 18.14.15 # it makes it a pretty confusing 18.14.20 # -a 18.14.22 # Sh** Cuz I knew u guys wouldnt answer me so 18.14.33 # i made another forgetting about ip 18.14.33 # markun: Same reason he changed nicks from the one he used earlier today 18.14.40 # exactly 18.14.44 # damn u guys are good 18.14.48 # webguest76: But then you asked the exact same questions. 18.14.48 # hi five 18.14.49 # lol 18.15.08 # And it couldnt be a coincendence 18.15.09 # ?? 18.15.15 # It's not you that would keep you from being answered, it's the questions you ask. If anyone came in asking for help with iPodLinux they'd get the same response. 18.15.21 # amiconn: Don't know if you've already checked (or discussed) it, but perhaps the last commit fixed your iPod lockup-with-talk-clips problem? 18.15.37 # It doesn't matter if it's coincidence: Questions that are answered in the docs get pointed to the docs. 18.15.51 # o i guess ur right 18.16.04 # but the manual is 154 pgs 18.16.09 # i cant read THAT fast 18.16.16 # So take your time. 18.16.19 # 154 pages of goodness... 18.16.34 # worth every penny ;-) 18.16.41 # Goodness?!?! 18.16.45 # Every time I look at the manual I learn some little new thing. 18.16.46 # What the hell is this? 18.16.49 # LOL 18.16.52 # Goodness 18.16.54 # ..... 18.16.57 # "/ignore -replies 46177202@*" doesn't work, what am I doing wrong? 18.17.24 # pondlife: Of course the most interesting tweaks are undocumented it often seems. 18.17.29 # And I always forget which ones are. 18.17.35 # Is fixed.cfg documented yet, for example? 18.18.18 # markun: misisng a *!? 18.18.22 # eh 18.18.25 # maybe 18.18.30 # Missing a '*!'? 18.18.59 # Do I open the WPEntrust Signed Document in Notepad 18.19.00 # ?? 18.19.15 # with your fingertips. 18.19.22 # be careful or it will explode 18.19.24 # Use the force. 18.19.29 # *ommm* 18.19.32 # webguest76: It's not an WPEntrust Signed Document, some program on your computer stupidly told it all files named .wps are that, I guess. 18.19.46 # webguest76: Run notepad, choose open, browse to file, open. It's the same as opening any file with notepad. 18.19.47 # * pondlife suddenly understands 18.19.56 # O ok 18.20.06 # rasher: still doesn't work :) 18.20.23 # or install gvim and use the "edit with vim" context menu entry ;-) 18.20.32 # Maybe RbUtil can overwrite the file association info in Windows :) 18.20.48 # * Llorean never could get the hang of vi 18.21.05 Join `sam` [0] (n=sam@CPE-75-81-234-51.we.res.rr.com) 18.21.06 # a la Quicktime - .mp3 could be named "Rockbox Music File" 18.21.45 # Hahaha 18.21.45 # Does the background have to be the size of the screen? 18.22.04 # webguest76: What does the CustomWPS wiki page say about it? 18.22.05 # yes 18.22.48 # It says you have to make it the same size but the it looks all distorted 18.23.47 # <`sam`> does anybody know about this "bitmap resize patches", i think i need to compile with that for the theme i want to work 18.24.16 # `sam`: They exist, and some themes expect them for album art, yes. 18.26.49 # <`sam`> Llorean, do you know where that patch is? 18.26.59 # I would assume it's in the patch tracker. 18.27.36 # <`sam`> nevermind... i should look more closely next time.. i thought there was just that one page of patches :) 18.27.58 # * Llorean heads off for a while 18.30.06 Join Diamonds_n_Rust [0] (n=francesc@d83-184-123-255.cust.tele2.it) 18.30.57 Quit petur ("work->home") 18.32.05 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.36.47 Quit Diamonds_n_Rust ("www.TuttoIRC.it mIRC 6.21 in Italiano by TuttoIRC & ^DaNGeR^") 18.45.13 Quit jhulst (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.47.45 Join Wiwie [0] (n=goddi@trir-590f8ae5.pool.einsundeins.de) 18.53.36 Quit chrisjs169 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.53.59 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@f051104180.adsl.alicedsl.de) 18.56.07 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@207.72.172.114) 18.56.15 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 18.59.03 # hi Domonoky 19.00.30 # hi bluebrother.. 19.01.18 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A94B84.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.01.39 Quit Wiwie (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.01.49 Join pepie34 [0] (n=pepie34@82.240.26.92) 19.03.39 # <`sam`> well i patched it, but the theme isn't working right with my build... 19.04.11 # <`sam`> it's working in the EvilG build though 19.04.35 # I think rbutilqt has reached m1 stage ... what do you think? 19.05.26 # bluebrother: if all the ticks are to be believed - then yes :) 19.05.41 # yes i think we reached m1.. 19.05.43 # binary time! 19.05.50 # GodEater_: well, try yourself. And please tell if you find errors ;-) 19.05.58 # ok 19.06.05 # <`sam`> is there an option to set the select button to select stuff on the menu? because that is the way it worked before, but with the EvilG build i have to use the >> forward button to select 19.06.09 # it would only be nice to resolve the wrong urls before making binarys 19.06.33 # you mean the links to copy.rockbox-themes.org and the bootloader-info stuff? 19.06.47 # with wron urls, i mean the non-official theme site.. where is scorche ? and the bootloaders-info file 19.06.56 # jop 19.07.23 # scorche was having trouble with no zip libs built into the php version on the hosting site 19.07.33 # the bootloaders-info file is easy to resolve, somebody just has to move it to the download server .. 19.07.34 # :( 19.07.37 # so he was going to try using syscalls to run the zip binary 19.07.47 # that was yesterday though 19.07.50 # no idea how he got on 19.08.00 # he got a mass order of Gigabeat S to process today 19.08.08 # well, if he could move the rbutilqt.php script to the official site it would help ... unless that page is really different. 19.08.08 # which probably distracted him 19.08.20 # he sells or buys them? 19.08.29 # buys them 19.08.42 # one for me, one for linuxstb, and one for BigBambi 19.08.54 # * bluebrother wants more money 19.09.22 # Who's buying the gigabeat S and from where? I'd like one! 19.09.29 Part Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 19.10.01 Quit pondlife ("disconnected has pondlife") 19.10.39 # How come when i download a theme it doesnt come with icons 19.10.40 # * bluebrother just bumped rbutilqt version string 19.10.41 # ?? 19.10.51 # because it doesn't include icons? 19.13.04 # how do i get the icons 19.13.06 # ?? 19.13.09 # !! 19.13.14 # !! 19.13.17 # xx 19.13.17 # wait wat 19.13.20 # ww 19.13.51 # how do i get the icons 19.13.53 # well, I thought I just use 2 characters only for my sentences. Nice, isn't it? Save so much space. 19.14.16 # lol 19.14.16 # what are "the icons"? You can download and install icons. 19.14.27 # webguest76: which icons.. if a theme doesnt include icons, it doesnt have icons.. 19.14.29 # if your theme doesn't ship with icons then it doesn't ship icons. Period. 19.14.47 # o well is there a website that has icons 19.15.02 # * bluebrother upx'es the current windows binary 19.15.11 # no. There is a wiki page about icons 19.15.17 # where do we find these geniuses ? 19.15.27 # wow, we have a french translation for rbutil.. 19.15.34 # yeah - neat hey ? 19.15.54 Join x1jmp [0] (n=x1jmp@p57B09FC3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.16.08 # could i have the icon wiki 19.16.23 # the rockbox wiki 19.16.28 # not "the icon wiki" 19.16.45 # fast! someone setup "the icon wiki"! 19.17.38 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomIcons 19.17.40 # bluebrother: how big are such translations for rbutil ? is it feasable to include them in the zip.. or should we try to build something to download the translations from rbutil ? 19.17.44 # thanks 19.17.57 Join Siltaar [0] (n=Siltaar@reverse-52.fdn.fr) 19.17.59 # and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IconSets 19.18.04 Join Nic0_P [0] (n=nicolas@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 19.18.20 # webguest76: in future, please use the wiki's search feature. We're not your personal google. 19.19.26 # Domonoky: not very big... the qm file for the french translation is 70635 B 19.19.27 # french translation binary is 68kiB 19.19.40 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@pD9EB42D5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.19.53 # we could even include them in the resource file -- I added support when I did i18n. 19.20.06 # bluebrother: will the binary be distributed in a zip file ? 19.20.22 # bluebrother: how is that done ? (inclusion in resources) 19.20.44 # possibly. I think the added crc check that the zip adds is useful 19.21.03 Quit DerPapst (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.21.13 # just add it to rbutilqt.qrc to the lang folder (i.e. create a "folder" called lang) 19.21.48 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@pD9EB42D5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.22.05 # you need to make sure to lrelease the project before building the binary though. 19.22.23 # GodEater?sarch=iconsets 19.22.35 # *search even :P 19.22.38 # rbutilqt will look in the resource for a translation and in the current folder. Not sure in which order. 19.22.39 # bluebrother: I did that with the trnaslaton utility I think 19.22.56 # DerPapst: search = icons 19.23.21 # Nic0_P: no -- at least not in svn. But IMO we shouldn't include translations in the binary until final release 19.24.11 # bluebrother: I kept the qm file locally as I doubt we want it versioned 19.24.28 # yes -- we only need the ts file in svn 19.25.00 # bluebrother: found a bug.. the button to browse for a encoder exe doesnt work.. 19.25.09 # once I changed rbutilqt.qrc, what should I do ? make ? then how do I know if the lang is in the binary ? 19.25.35 # oops :) 19.25.55 Join Wiwie [0] (n=goddi@trir-590f8ae5.pool.einsundeins.de) 19.25.56 # Nic0_P: just remove the qm file from the executable folder 19.26.07 Part Llorean 19.26.53 # bluebrother: will you fix it.. or should i try to do it ? 19.27.01 # I'll do. 19.27.14 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@hdp186.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 19.27.14 # bluebrother: yay it works :) 19.27.28 # there is no browseEnc function.. :-) 19.27.38 # ok, rbutil will search the local folder first. 19.27.50 # Domonoky: yep ... seems I simply missed that. 19.28.45 # but ... do you think the tree browser is good for browsing to a binary? 19.28.51 # bluebrother: it seems the "at" between the selected device and the mount point isn't translatable 19.29.01 # the list will get quite long, especially for folders like /usr/bin 19.29.14 # otoh, as we try to autodetect from the path variable ... 19.29.33 # bluebrother: yeah it could be better.. :-) or maybe just use the normal filechooser dialog 19.30.10 # that was my idea. I wanted the tree selector for folder selection. Didn't think about file selection ... 19.30.23 # if you do a normal install of espeak/ lame on windows, you dont get the exes in the path.. 19.30.39 # yep ... but I'm not developing on windows ;-) 19.30.44 # :-) 19.31.25 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@i-83-67-214-206.freedom2surf.net) 19.31.49 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 19.32.21 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host214-201-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 19.33.28 # Nic0_P: you translated that "at" with ... "at" ;-) 19.33.43 # it's the string %1 %2 at %3 in RbUtilQt 19.33.45 # oh 19.34.25 Quit Nico_P (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19.34.33 # (it's at -- the two parts at the beginning could be confusing) 19.35.14 Join sarixe [0] (n=sarixe@ool-435403e9.dyn.optonline.net) 19.36.11 # ok, I think we should add some kind of help entry to the about menu in rbutil. 19.36.38 # do we want to add some small "online"-help later? It could be a simple html page explaining the basics 19.36.55 Quit Guile`` ("KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'") 19.37.07 # some online help would be nice 19.37.47 # I'll add a help entry for now and try to link it to the rbutilqt wiki page. 19.38.47 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 19.40.18 Quit sarixe ("Peace") 19.45.52 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@cpe-70-113-103-34.austin.res.rr.com) 19.48.17 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 19.48.51 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 19.49.41 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-119-086.pools.arcor-ip.net) 19.51.36 # ok, current version is available at http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/rbutilqt.zip 19.52.11 # Bagder: do we want this on the download server? If yes then please move (and ping me when done so I can go and make some noise in the forums :) 19.55.06 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.55.06 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 19.55.09 # * Domonoky commited another fix for rbutil.. :-) 19.58.16 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 19.58.46 Quit `sam` ("bbl") 19.59.04 # things are happening on the rbutil front, i see... 20.00.59 # * bluebrother leave for some hours ... can update the binary later today 20.02.43 Join Buschel [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3CAF7.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.03.14 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.03.16 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 20.05.48 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 20.08.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.11.03 Quit petur ("switching...") 20.11.11 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 20.14.13 # petur: shouldn't the LANG_PM_CLIPCOUNT string be marked as SYSFONT as it is used in the rec screen? 20.15.18 # probably, yes 20.15.41 # There's a question about it in FS#7675 20.16.35 # hmmm 20.17.34 # better change it I think 20.18.10 # that will mean deprecate the existing and adding a new one I fear? 20.18.31 # petur: not if you change the ID in all lang files 20.18.42 # oh fun 20.18.57 # exactly what I needed tonight :) 20.19.05 # extra work... 20.19.23 # it's only present in 4, I can do it, if you don't have time 20.19.49 # OK if i have a mp4 player and its not listed under the rockbox models how will i know which it is 20.20.03 # only 4... that should be doable... 20.20.11 # webguest76: how should we know? 20.20.22 # petur: oh, 4 + english 20.20.36 # why the hell are u flaming me on n1s 20.20.37 # ?? 20.21.01 # webguest76: that was not flaming at all 20.21.08 # webguest76: Maybe because it's a rather silly question. None of us can see the player, you bought it, and Rockbox only runs on the listed ones. 20.21.37 # What if the player looks like a nano could it work? 20.21.57 # Not unless it _is_ a Nano. 20.21.57 # Rockbox ONLY runs on the listed ones. 20.22.06 # ok 20.22.51 Join Cruleworld [0] (i=4c100dd9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-88ea5d17728b83e0) 20.23.51 Quit Cruleworld (Client Quit) 20.26.17 Quit webguest76 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 20.27.05 # yea, the market is quite full of cheap chinese forges of good players... 20.28.00 # desowin: A lot of those use the s1mp3 hardware, which I believe someone is supposedly working on a replacement firmware for, unrelated to Rockbox. 20.28.07 # As they want to use a BSD-like license, it seems. 20.28.37 # jhMikeS: there? 20.29.48 # preglow: yep. good timing too. 20.30.21 # i do that 20.30.43 # jhMikeS: what do you figure i'd need to do in the wm drivers for making ipod i2s transfers 2x16 bit too? 20.30.53 # jhMikeS: seems all you did in the as driver was change the pll control reg 20.31.32 # no, it was set that way because clocking was bad 20.31.56 # so you don't do shit in the as driver? it's all pp side? 20.32.30 # I changed the i2s setup to 16-bit. Set the PLL to the correct value just wrote the packed values to the TX fifo. 20.33.18 # A wm test did record ok but silence on playback. perhaps the format register will make a difference there. 20.35.44 # what format reg? 20.36.07 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@m152.net81-64-221.noos.fr) 20.36.15 # on the WM codec. I can't remeber the name but it's in the drivers there. 20.36.56 # only format reg i found was part of AINTFCE 20.37.01 # yeah 20.37.21 # where you can select between 32, 24, 20 and 16 20.37.24 # currently set to 16 20.37.34 # petur: I planned to update the german translation tonight, shall I wait a bit? 20.37.35 # what is the amount of ram on an ipod video ? 20.37.53 # joseph_: depends on which model 20.37.59 # pixelma: change was just committed 20.38.04 # 30GB has 32MB, the 60/80 both have 64MB 20.38.04 # I wonder if that's right though. It might need 32? 20.38.22 # 60gig, so 64MB, right? 20.38.24 # jhMikeS: why, really? if anything, it should be 32 now 20.38.27 # joseph_: correct 20.38.29 # petur: good, should have waited on more minute with the question :) 20.38.34 # *one 20.39.22 # The clocking register could be wrong as well. 20.40.12 # AS3514 runs as a slave since that's all it can be but the WMs run as i2s master 20.41.37 # heh, you don't think I went through alot of pain to get it right on e200? that other clocking reg was a lucky find indeed. 20.42.04 # don't expect no such thing, but you did mention in the commit log fixing it on ipods should be done in a matter of minutes :P 20.43.03 # Would think so. Given recording did work as packed, playback can't be too far off. 20.43.17 # have you even tested it? 20.44.01 # nopes, just reading the datasheet for now 20.44.10 # guess i should just try it 20.44.14 # can't try out no recording, though 20.44.58 # * jhMikeS says it _could_ be 525,949.2 x N minutes 20.47.28 # jhMikeS, hi what are the chances your fix for the scrollwheel can be adapted to the ipod? 20.48.46 # joseph_: pretty certain if the driver sends the right info 20.49.31 # joseph_: as linuxstb said earlier, we think the button driver for the wheel needs to send deltas 20.49.36 # correct jhMikeS ? 20.50.14 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 20.50.23 # bit 31 recomends no acceleration or skipping. bits 30-24 = skip delta. the remainder are clicks/uS sent as fixed 0.24 20.51.08 # why, unless i've messed up again, this works 20.51.14 # jhMikeS: so the driver is not fillin in bits 30-24 currently ? 20.51.16 # probably me messing up 20.51.19 # actually bit 31 _set_ recommends it. sansa wheel driver has slow mode which never skips 20.51.35 # preglow: There is a bit in a WM* register where you can select to transfer 2 16bit samples packed into a 32bit word. It's called DSP mode iirc 20.51.44 # amiconn: really now 20.52.21 # GodEater_: you won't get acceleration without computing the velocity and setting bit 31 as well. I recomend not setting bit 31 at really low speed so that fine control is kept. 20.52.29 # GodEater: Llorean said that. I didn't know what needed doing. 20.52.51 # jhMikeS: gotcha 20.53.00 # linuxstb: I do beg your pardon 20.53.11 # Yes, I accept any blame 20.53.16 # well, i changed the i2s mode to 16 bit, and changed the asm, and i'm listening to music right now 20.53.20 # stereo and all 20.53.25 # GodEater_: just read the e200 scrollwheel function. you also need an acceleration factor defines as well as HAVE_SCROLLWHEEL 20.53.35 Join qweru [0] (n=kvirc@bb-87-80-66-156.ukonline.co.uk) 20.53.57 # preglow: I guess it really is minutes. go figure. 20.53.58 # whilst I shall certainly take a look at this, I by no means promise to implement it! 20.54.37 # GodEater: pardon granted. 20.54.42 # It's kind of a by-feel thing for picking the factor and when bit 31 should be set. 20.54.42 # jhMikeS: well, i figure you tried this as well, so it's probably just luck it works here 20.55.04 # * petur wants to commit 7669 :) 20.55.08 # preglow: I did no personal experimenting on a WM based device. 20.56.00 # Doods, vot3 for 7669! It's l337 20.56.10 # rofl 20.56.12 # preglow: run it packed for each verified device? 20.56.32 # if i keep the asm as it is and change to 16 bit mode only in iisconfig, it's twice as slow 20.56.37 Quit XCrazyXLegsX ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 20.56.44 # jhMikeS: only got a nano here 20.57.12 # and i don't know if we know how to set this stuff up on pp5002 20.57.21 # Well, change it for nano then :) 20.57.30 # preglow: So nothing to change in the wm driver? 20.57.35 Join fm2 [0] (i=d9b95451@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ae06d8a6029e23bf) 20.57.37 # linuxstb: nah, don't look like it 20.57.43 # linuxstb: and there's no reason either, now i think about it 20.58.02 # So it _should_ be OK on all PP502x... 20.58.06 # i2s format is the same no matter what is transmitted in it 20.58.12 # linuxstb: care to test on some of the ones you've got? 20.58.28 # Just commit and wait for complaints ;) 20.58.28 # linuxstb: I've just uploaded the final shortcuts patch. Thank you for your help! 20.58.29 # preglow: You do need to change a WM register, don't you? 20.58.36 # amiconn: well, not here 20.58.52 # eh? How does tahat work, then? 20.59.05 # s/tahat/that/ 20.59.06 # preglow: Do you have a patch? 20.59.20 # linuxstb: can cook up one fast 20.59.49 # fm2: No problem. I don't use the shortcuts feature, so can't comment on the patch itself... 21.00.06 # don't think many people here do 21.00.16 # I only have one case I use it in 21.00.22 # It was a "public relations" feature. :-P 21.00.27 # and I've not had cause to change the shortcut since I installed it 21.00.46 # wasn't it fm2 who originally requested it ? :) 21.01.02 # amiconn: well, i'm figuring it doesn't matter for the wm anyway, the i2s signal looks the same anyway 21.01.07 # but i'm not i2s expert 21.01.42 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@i-83-67-214-206.freedom2surf.net) 21.01.43 # linuxstb: http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/packed_16_i2s.patch 21.01.49 # hack, just to test 21.02.18 # linuxstb: that's my preferred strategy. 21.02.37 # haven't even touched recording 21.02.37 Quit GodEater_ (Remote closed the connection) 21.02.49 Join dirkson [0] (n=dirkson@c-24-20-114-81.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 21.03.26 # Heyo. Does the default rockbox loader support booting rockbox from a third partition? (I.e. I've stuck rockbox in a firmware partition, and am now having troubles making it boot) 21.03.27 # if H10 will take it...I guess the PCM patch can go in then and clean all that code up. 21.03.45 # Llorean: he-he. Yes, now nobody can say we don't support links (in a sense) 21.04.12 # dirkson: The Rockbox bootloader will load Rockbox from the first FAT32 partition it finds. 21.04.40 # dirkson: (and only mount that partition) 21.05.22 # preglow: The code isn't PP version specific, so it should work on all PP targets 21.05.32 # linuxstb, Alrighty. So it will load the first fat32 partition in the partition table, yes? 21.05.49 # linuxstb, And if there's another fat32 partition, it will ignore it. 21.05.55 # amiconn: the i2s code ain't 21.06.06 # GodEater: yes, I wanted something like this. What I proposed was not exactly what shortcuts does, but shortcuts does fully satisfy me. Now I can sit back and be quiet :-) 21.06.16 # amiconn: I had a test done on H10 and silence came out during playback and the time was running double speed. only switching back to 32-bit unpacked did sound come back. 21.06.32 # preglow: Hmm, it doesn't seem to work on my ipod color. I get the symptoms jhMikeS just described (2x speed, silence) 21.06.41 # what about 5g? 21.06.47 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 21.06.58 # Which as confused me as I thought the Nano and Color shared the same codec... 21.07.05 # s/as/has/ 21.07.12 # Hm... Why do I get a compile error in main.c:118 if using a custom VERSION file? 21.07.15 # oh? i thought 5g and nano did 21.07.15 # Haven't tried the 5g yet. 21.07.27 # PP5020 ruining everything of course :P 21.07.30 # preglow: No, we didn't get sound on the 5g until much later than the Nano/Color. 21.07.36 # This is the line with const char appsversion[]=APPSVERSION; 21.07.51 # linuxstb: codec shouldn't matter, pp revision should matter more 21.07.55 # linuxstb: yeah, remember now 21.08.14 # So another case of the PP5020 not playing fair... 21.08.22 # Do nano and color really use the same wmcodec? 21.08.33 Part christophe 21.08.39 # Well, they use the same driver in Rockbox - HAVE_WM8975 21.08.39 # rm target H10, iPod-Color ;) 21.08.42 # Ah, it contained a new line 21.08.57 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 21.09.06 # If not, it most probably is a wmcodec problem 21.09.09 Part fm2 ("bye all") 21.09.18 Part toffe82 21.09.22 # Maybe the codec in the nano autodetects i2s format, but some others do not 21.09.38 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 21.09.39 # the i2s format is the same, afaik, only the fifo reg format changes 21.09.48 # If it really wouldn't matter, I wonder why there is a bit for that 21.10.06 Join Guile`` [0] (n=Guile@78.113.6.143) 21.10.20 # I would expect the i2s format to change if you set FIFO_FORMAT_LE16 21.10.55 # Iiuc, i2s uses a word sync, which changes polarity every 32 bits right now, and with that change changes polarity every 16 bits 21.11.12 # Some codecs might auto-adjust to that, but not all 21.11.31 # nah 21.11.36 # it still changes polarity every 32 bits, i think 21.11.46 # i don't think word clock ever changes polarity any more than that 21.11.58 # the surplus bits are just ignored by the codec 21.12.07 # if it changes polarity sooner, the receiver is supposed to zero-fill to its internal word length 21.12.38 # if it's late, it should ignore extra bits 21.15.02 # Well, what it's supposed to do is one thing. What it actually does is not necessarily the same 21.15.32 # true. perhaps the AINTFCE bits need to be worked differently for each. 21.15.33 # * amiconn had to learn that every data sheet has to be taken with a grain of salt 21.16.58 # there's also the "SIZE_MASK" bits which could have effect. I never worked out what those really mean, but poking at that might work too. 21.17.01 # * petur is happy to see austriancoder is busy :) 21.17.06 Quit Llorean (Remote closed the connection) 21.17.21 Join polygonal [0] (i=80dc3b21@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-658ddad5eb1ff25a) 21.17.23 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@cpe-70-113-103-34.austin.res.rr.com) 21.18.01 # * preglow wants to connect to his ipod! 21.18.09 Quit thegeek () 21.18.19 # polygonal: Do I have the labels of the chinese languages right? 21.18.30 # hmm, will there be strong objection if I completely replace the current chinese-traditional translation with a "transcripted" chinese simp translation? 21.18.40 # "transcripted"? 21.18.43 # polygonal: on my translate page, that is: http://rasher.dk/rockbox/translate/ 21.19.22 # rasher: yeah! I think the labels are wrong a while ago on your website : ) 21.19.44 # polygonal: Yes, someone mailed me about it. I was wondering if the fix was correct? 21.19.49 # rasher: do you know the reason why genlang strips the header (comment) of the langfile? 21.19.50 Join thegeek [0] (n=nnscript@s189a.studby.ntnu.no) 21.19.58 # Llorean: the simp and trad version of chinese is translation by a one-to-one function, so to speak 21.20.02 # preglow: Works fine on my 5g... 21.20.08 # rasher: man, why isn't that page on rockbox.org? it's very nice 21.20.11 # petur: It strips all comments (for whatever reason) 21.20.16 # linuxstb: yeah, i'm pretty sure it's a pp issue, then 21.20.18 # rasher: I was to tell you about it, but now it was right :) 21.20.29 # rasher: that's... too bad :/ 21.21.16 # preglow: I know you normally ask me this, but what WM datasheet did we use for the Nano/Color? 21.22.32 # back to my original question: I'm getting too lazy to find out where the untranslated strings in the chinese-trad file; seems like the order is changed a lots... 21.22.54 # I wonder if a clear replace is a better option than tedious finds... 21.22.57 # Eh? 21.23.17 # From the config-*.h both color and nano use WM8975 21.23.28 # ...while video uses WM8758 21.23.36 # Very suspicious... 21.23.52 # amiconn: Why suspicious? 21.24.14 # I think one of these must be wrong 21.24.26 # there is some slight difference in expression between the two chinese translations, but liguistically speaking there is no big difference between chinese simp and trad so there won't be big problems 21.25.01 # And yes, the AINTFCE register is what I meant (for WM8975) 21.25.07 # I can run the current chinese simp translation through some automatic translator and get a chinese-trad translation 21.26.06 # amiconn: That's what's listed on the IPL wiki page - and I would expect they're identified from dissection photos. Although the Nano is listed as WM8975G, and the Color is WM8975 21.27.55 # I would think FORMAT needs to be set to 0b11 (DSP) 21.27.57 Quit midgey (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.28.08 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@westquad-188-46.reshall.umich.edu) 21.28.11 # LRP needs experimentation 21.28.16 # linuxstb: 8750 21.30.02 Quit bluey- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.30.07 # preglow: I'm looking at the 8971... That matches wm8975.h 21.31.29 # amiconn: OK, I'll try DSP mode 21.32.20 # i doubt that'll work 21.32.47 # preglow: It doesn't take long to test... 21.34.42 Quit Nic0_P (Remote closed the connection) 21.34.51 # sure 21.35.23 Quit HellDragon (Client Quit) 21.35.48 Join HellDragon [0] (n=Nocebo@unaffiliated/helldragon) 21.36.04 # polygonal: I doubt any of us have knowledge to comment on the accuracy of automatic translations from simplified to traditional 21.36.54 # polygonal: Honestly, all most of us can do is hope that the translation is the best possible. If you think something will improve it, we'll welcome it even if we can't see the difference ourselves. 21.37.06 # amiconn, preglow: I still get silence in DSP mode, but the elapsed time indicator in the WPS went back to normal. 21.37.10 # ^normal speed 21.37.30 # that doesn't indicate too much 21.37.38 # I tried both DSP modes (the LRP bit). 21.38.22 # i'm pretty sure it's a pp issue 21.38.27 # too bad we don't have docs on that... 21.39.43 # try LRP 21.40.11 # DSP mode B 21.40.21 # Domonoky: need something? 21.40.31 Quit pepie34 ("Ex-Chat") 21.40.32 # jhMikeS: I did. 21.40.37 # ah, ok 21.41.59 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@198.77.50.47) 21.42.04 # jhMikeS: Do you own any PP5020 devices yet? 21.42.10 # no messing with data size bits in IISCONFIG 21.42.28 # scorche: when do you think will the new themes page go online ? 21.42.29 # linuxstb: I'm looking to go shopping soon for a bunch of stuff I need 21.43.00 # Domonoky: i thought we didnt give out timelines =P 21.43.30 # :-) 21.43.48 # * amiconn builds preglow's patch for the 3 untested pp targets he has 21.43.51 # rasher: it should be about 99% accurate :) the difference between simp and trad is is on the way to write the characters, and there is well-known map of what character maps to what 21.44.38 Quit kubiixaka (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.44.51 # Domonoky: i dont know...i have proven myself wrong at each guess...i have a lot on my plate atm 21.44.55 # Llorean: I will post a patch of the automatically translated chinese-trad with some little fixes by me; it is at least better than some 100 missing strings 21.45.22 # polygonal: I guess an automatic translation is okay in that case - we can always accept fixes in case of errors 21.45.50 # no obligation to accept it :) I hope there are users to test it out though since I personally use english interface and can do only limited testing 21.46.08 # scorche: would it be possible to put the new rbutil.php into the old themepage without problems ? 21.46.20 # * jhMikeS sees lots of 20GB H10s on woot (if he didn't miss something about them being sold) 21.46.29 # sure 21.47.31 # Domonoky: would you like me to do that now?...and do you want it named rbutil.php again, or keep the rbutilqt.php 21.48.00 # hm.. lets ask bluebrother first.. he has redone the theme thing.. 21.48.54 # it would just be nice, that when rbutilQt goes live (binary aviable) for testing.. that it could use the correct theme page.. 21.50.08 # hm in the old theme page it should be named rbutilqt.php, so that the wx version will be still working..(with the old php file) 21.50.18 # yup 21.51.30 Join perrikwp [0] (i=98215e76@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4c4023c0175d20cd) 21.51.40 # rbutilqt.php is now on the current site 21.51.59 # anywho, i can't do any picking on this, seeing as i have no targets that trouble me 21.52.03 # nice.. i will change the url in rbutil and try it.. :-) 21.52.05 # at least we know it kinda works now 21.52.15 Quit BigBambi (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.52.37 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@86.66.198.161) 21.52.56 # this woot thing works weird 21.53.18 # woot is great 21.53.54 Join JGabcde [0] (i=46177202@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5eb0e1759ca0c2ef) 21.54.02 # but it's one item/day ... can't really pick what you want 21.54.19 # * jhMikeS hates shopping ... just ask his girlfriend :P 21.54.30 # yeah...when they do sell something you want, it is usually pretty cheap though 21.54.35 # and there are the wootoffs 21.55.55 # is someone online with write access to download.rockbox.org ? 21.56.39 # woot seem more anxiety-inducing that wall street :0 21.56.48 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 21.56.48 Join chrisjs169 [0] (n=jack@pool-71-114-128-205.hrbgpa.dsl-w.verizon.net) 21.56.51 # if so: please move http://b23.org/~domonoky/bootloaders-info to http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/bootloaders-info 21.56.55 # preglow: Hmm, patch seems to work on mini G2 21.57.03 # Could I have the link for the Rockbox Patch Installer Please 21.57.34 # what rockbox patch installer? 21.57.36 # JGabcde: what do you mean with "Rockbox Patch installer" ?? 21.57.58 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 21.58.09 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 21.58.11 # the program that installs the patchs for you 21.58.19 # ...and that's WM8721 (or rather WM8711 which is register compatible) 21.58.40 # JGabcde: There isn't such a program. 21.58.51 # there is no program that installs the patches...these are source code patches, which you then patch a copy of the source and compile 21.59.14 # Is there like a noob lesson somewhere on how to do that 21.59.33 # the wiki page SimpleGuideToCompiling 21.59.43 # Thats not simple. 21.59.48 # Tried It 21.59.53 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling 21.59.57 # It's as simple as compiling gets... 22.00.15 # it tells you the exact commands to type...what is so hard about that? 22.00.25 # Ok ill try it again but its confusing 22.00.26 # JGabcde: Compiling and patching is not really a "noob" thing. You need at least some technical skill and ability to follow written directions to have a decent chance at succeeding. 22.01.37 # its to confusing for me 22.02.08 # JGabcde: Then your only alternative is to look for unofficial builds that already include the patches you are interested in using. 22.02.22 Join GodEater_ [0] (n=bryan@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 22.02.30 # They Have Those 22.02.30 # ? 22.02.43 # look in the forums... 22.02.44 # See the "Unsupported Builds" forum 22.04.46 # 2nd gen has the same "double speed silence" problem (although not with mp3 because it can't keep up) 22.05.38 # SO something isn't quite right concerning the fifo format bits on both PP5020 and PP5002 22.06.06 Quit DogBoy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.06.52 # Ah, hmm, those definitions aren't used for PP5002 22.08.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.08.21 # could i have a link to the "Unsupported Builds" forum 22.08.22 # ?? 22.08.41 # there is a link on the side of the page called "forums" 22.11.05 # preglow, linuxstb: Hmm, maybe PP5020 i2s fifo can't hande 2 packed 16 bit values per 32 bit register, and sends just 16 bits of it 22.11.37 # The solution might be to *not* change the fifo format to 16 bit, but still write packed values *and* set dsp mode in the wm codec 22.16.34 # * bluebrother returns and goes updating w32 binary ... 22.16.47 # amiconn: Don't you have a H10? (I've lost track of your collection of DAPs now...) 22.16.54 # yes 22.17.09 # hehe 22.18.46 # how about a HowOwnsWhichDap wiki page? *g* 22.19.28 # bluebrother: don't we already have something similar? 22.19.36 # do we? 22.19.46 # * n1s searches the wiki 22.20.07 # there are listings of that on the DevCon pages 22.20.10 # I think we do.. 22.20.36 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxTesting 22.20.57 # Do i have to have a certain icon for my certain rockbox model? 22.21.14 # ha, my memory still sort-of works :-) 22.21.47 # ah, nice. 22.22.03 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 22.22.06 # eurgh 22.22.06 # very out of date 22.22.20 # we could update it ;-) 22.22.36 # JGabcde: a certain icon?...what are you talking about? 22.22.41 # That plays, but with only white noise coming from the right channel, and very distorted music from the left 22.23.11 Quit polygonal ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.23.19 # Ok i put in a icon set and i still see the regualar icons 22.23.29 # then load the icons 22.23.43 # they won't magically do that themselves. 22.23.54 # i know i loaded them 22.24.00 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 22.24.12 # how? 22.24.24 # * Llorean adds himself to the RockboxTesting page. 22.24.25 Quit dirkson ("Leaving") 22.25.19 # by going to load theme 22.25.31 # browse* 22.26.09 Quit perrikwp ("CGI:IRC") 22.26.11 # follow the instructions int he manual about loading an iconset, and come back to us if that still doesnt work 22.26.29 # ok 22.26.34 # Now I have it playing without distortion + noise.... 22.27.26 # Had to adjust some more bits in IISCONFIG 22.27.47 # amiconn: you got the recipe? 22.27.52 # * amiconn wonders whether AS3514 could handle that format too 22.28.09 # as3514 is strict, by-the-book i2s 22.28.47 # jhMikeS: What I did: (1) take the asm for AS3514 (enabled preglow's patch). (2) revert the change in i2s-pp.c to use FIFO_FORMAT_LE32 22.28.50 # Llorean: I just noticed that I can't create topics in the announcement forums. Do I need to be in the developer group / admin to do so? 22.29.18 # (3) change it to use FORMAT_LJUST above, and change the size to (3 <<8) which I *believe* is 32 bit 22.29.19 # bluebrother: Yeah, announcement topics require Developer status. 22.29.28 Quit The-Compiler (Remote closed the connection) 22.29.33 # (4) make thw WM8731 use DSP mode 22.30.00 # bluebrother: Mostly because I wanted to make sure anything posted there was always, always "Official" 22.30.20 # That's playing fine on H10 (the only target I tested it on so far) 22.30.25 # bluebrother: Though I guess you are a developer now, at least in regards to RBUtil 22.30.28 # Llorean: i think it is time he moved up to developer...already has commit access and has been doing a bunch of coding lately 22.30.31 Join kk_ [0] (n=kkit@140.141.29.201) 22.30.50 # scorche: You're one step too slow on that 22.30.52 # we need one less green person 22.31.00 # 2 seconds by my count 22.31.34 Quit jhulst (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.31.46 # scorche: Yeah, but I said that *after* I changed him to a developer in the forums. :-P 22.31.53 # hmph 22.31.55 # bluebrother: announce away 22.31.55 # jhMikeS: So either the 5020 cannot handle 16 bits per LRC, or we're not using the correct bits 22.32.03 # Llorean: cool, thanks. 22.32.21 # amiconn: btw, I have a pp cache routine you might want to look at. I haven't been able to get it to behave but I'll post the disassembly and decompilation after testing these i2s changes 22.32.21 # (and I do believe that FIFO_FORMAT_LE16 indeed switches to 16 bit per LRC 22.32.32 # now I only need to know if we'd move the rbutil binary to the official download server or not 22.32.54 # ...which makes changing the WM* setup unnecessary because it pads as per i2s specs 22.33.08 # bluebrother: I'd say certanly yes 22.33.21 # Perhaps Zagor is awake. He just joined. 22.33.30 # * bluebrother pings Zagor 22.33.54 # * Zagor wakes up 22.34.03 # jhMikeS: Btw, what do you think about i2s-pp.c line 77? Maybe that statement doesn't apply to 5020, only to 5022+ ? 22.34.07 # amiconn: you think FIFO_FORMAT_LE16 actually sends 16-bits before switching LRCK, right? 22.34.12 # yes 22.34.27 # that would explain the double speed 22.34.32 # you mean the comment? 22.34.35 # bluebrother: rbutil binary location? 22.34.36 # yes 22.34.51 # I put that there since on e200 it made no difference 22.34.52 # Zagor: can you please move http://b23.org/~domonoky/bootloaders-info to http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/bootloaders-info ? 22.34.55 # Zagor: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/rbutilqt.zip 22.35.27 # (I also labelled it "m1.0" as Milestone 1 internally, in case you want some version number) 22.35.33 # jhMikeS: The double speed would be due to the AS3514 asm code only writing *one* 32 bit value per sample "tick", expecting the PP to split that into 2 words on the i2s bus 22.35.36 # I put all the commenting and extra defines in there actually 22.35.56 # Did you actually test all values, and how? 22.35.57 # I was referring to the H10 double speed + silence 22.36.17 # I even tested and rand big-endian samples but forgot which do what 22.36.24 # Yes, but that would not be due to the 16 bits per LRC 22.36.42 # The LJUST requires an extra shift right to work properly since there's no dummy bit 22.36.58 # as3514 accepts any work length 22.37.02 # *word 22.37.04 # It doesn't with DSP format 22.37.26 # Hmm, maybe I'm not clear enough 22.37.37 # The WM codecs also seem to accept any word length 22.38.03 # But FIFO_FORMAT_LE16 doesn't seem to do what it is supposed to do on PP5020 22.38.18 # with those settings I get double speed 22.38.23 # So i2s will still be in 32 bit mode, and send both samples in one LRC cycle 22.38.49 # I could set the clock divider to 0xf instead of 0x7 22.38.49 Quit BobShield (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.38.49 # bluebrother: sorry I have not followed this. is this a qt version for windows? 22.38.56 # yes. 22.39.03 # jhMikeS: Yes, you get double speed on AS3514 as AS3514 doesn't have dsp mode 22.39.27 # oh, have you moved the bootloader-info file already? In that case I could also fix the url in rbutilqt 22.39.37 # it sounds ok otherwise 22.39.40 # i'll do that now 22.40.05 # jhMikeS: That won't help. YOu get double speed because your AS3514 is only playing samples from one channel, alternated between both output channels 22.40.07 # ok. Gimme a minute and you'll get an updated download too. 22.40.07 # will check the divider change. I also need to be sure it's accurate with wave interference test 22.40.30 # Try an L-R test file 22.41.03 # I've got a whole #audio_tests directory on every player :) 22.41.16 # But maybe we can live with different i2s setup for sansa and ipod, as long as we get the same benefit? (half as many fiqs) 22.41.44 # yeah, I get mono and nasty wrapping noises 22.41.46 # I'm quite certain you'll only hear one of the source channels (not sure which one) 22.42.02 # Zagor: zip updated. 22.42.20 Quit krazykit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.43.01 Join Domonoky_ [0] (n=Domonoky@f051108241.adsl.alicedsl.de) 22.43.14 # LJUST will make it wrap since it expects the dummy bit which isn't there 22.43.31 # bluebrother: how about I'll simply call it rbutilqt-v1.0.zip. I'm not too fond of all this 0.x mucking about for things that are actually working. 22.43.36 # Yes, and WM* in DSP mode expects no dummy bit 22.44.00 # ok. I don't care too much about version strings either ;-) 22.44.23 # that's sort of the way I went about finding all that stuff out, just deducing it from the audio behavior 22.45.00 # now I have mono but no wrapping noise 22.45.20 # bluebrother: shouldn't the version number in the binary (if there is one?) be updated as well? 22.45.36 # well, it's svn revision + m1.0 ;-) 22.46.09 # Zagor: entering www.rockbox.org/twiki/NameOfPage no longer works 22.46.26 # SIZE_MASK bits had no effect on an as3514, so I couldn't figure out any more 22.46.41 # scorche: did it ever? 22.47.05 # scorche: it's /wiki, not /twiki ;-) 22.47.16 # doh =P 22.47.31 # A logic analyzer would tell 22.47.33 # * rasher recommends a http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/%s quick bookmark 22.47.44 # (well, not on sansa as the as3514 is built into the pp) 22.48.20 # amiconn: I was just going to say 22.48.43 # and I wish I could have just used one but ears had to suffice 22.49.09 Part Llorean 22.49.25 # It can accept SIZE_32BIT just fine 22.49.31 Quit qwm (Remote closed the connection) 22.49.34 Join qwm [0] (i=qwm@h38n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 22.49.36 # all other setting must as in SVN 22.50.49 # Hmm, so probably the PP5020 either doesn't support FIFO_FORMAT, or support is buggy 22.51.18 # Thanks to DSP mode we can still get the same benefit as on sansa 22.51.45 # Hmm, the mini OF should tell, as it has code for both 5020 and 5022 22.52.33 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@c-71-205-0-132.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 22.52.58 # recording works fine with SIZE_32BIT as well 22.54.45 # I would think that 32 bit / LRCK needs (slightly) more power 22.55.23 # The guess that would double BCLK 22.55.24 # I think that if you set SIZE_32BIT and FIFO_FORMAT_16 the PP pads 22.55.32 # yes 22.55.34 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 22.55.58 Quit seablue ("life, death, life, death") 22.56.17 # bluebrother: would it be okay if I filed a bugreport in debian, asking for packaging of rbutilqt? 22.56.29 # I suppose FIFO_FORMAT_* is one regarding the FIFO. SIZE_* is like the BCLK/WCLK on coldfire 22.56.42 # rasher: I won't intervene ;-) 22.57.02 # though I'm not sure if it would be better to wait some weeks until users started testing rbutilqt 22.57.19 # jhMikeS: According to the IPL wiki, bits 4..6 are always set to 7, and bits 8..9 always set to 3 in the OF 22.57.37 # Bits 10..11 are set to 1, 2 or 3 (but not 0) 22.57.54 # bluebrother: I'm sure Debian can handle a few updates 22.57.58 # http://ipodlinux.org/PP5020 , I2S Controller 22.58.17 # Besides, it'd probably be a while before it got in anyway 22.58.22 # Assuming someone picks it up 22.58.51 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54967371.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.00.46 # Their mailbox assessment is a bit off. I think they can be used for read/write arbitrarily and have no special purpose. 23.00.49 Quit Domonoky (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.01.09 # there seems to be one more as well 23.02.33 # I see they have some other info for CPU/COP_CTL as well 23.03.41 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 23.03.45 Quit GodEater_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.04.09 Quit GodEater (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.04.14 # * jhMikeS wonders why they don't use bit tables like most datasheets 23.06.01 # * jhMikeS will put up that cache routine. IPL oversimplies the usage of flush/invalidate. 23.09.10 Quit nicktastic (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.09.54 # I think its for cache ranges...gimme a moment 23.11.34 # IISFIFO_CFG for PP5002 23.11.45 # ...erm, on PP5002 seems to be similar to PP502y 23.11.50 # *PP502x 23.12.14 # * bluebrother just did his first announcement post in the forums :) 23.12.15 # At least bit 16 is a reset bit (probably dac) 23.12.16 # it looked roughly so 23.13.01 Quit desowin ("use linux") 23.15.25 # bluebrother: http://bugs.debian.org/440111 There we go 23.16.32 Quit Buschel () 23.17.11 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@i-83-67-214-206.freedom2surf.net) 23.18.13 Join idnar [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 23.21.25 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@pD952B879.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.22.21 # sounds weird that the fifo only takes 16 bits 23.22.32 # amiconn: http://rafb.net/p/NyIf7271.html Interpretation of everything probably isn't right but the c is what is reduced to unless I messed up my maths. 23.22.34 # rasher: Have you built a Debian package for rbutilqt? 23.23.02 Quit JGabcde ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23.23.20 # linuxstb: No, I was going to have a go at it, but I was never really happy with the package for the wx version either. It was not Done Right 23.24.20 # And the "new maintainer" document I was reading told me that if the source didn't come as tarballs, I should find something else 23.26.05 # hmmrrrmmm 23.28.18 # rasher: the svn co link from your bugreport excludes ipodpatcher and sansapatcher doesn't it? 23.28.36 # DerPapst: oh, rbutilqt isn't self-contained? 23.29.16 # rasher: it has the ini file now inbuilt.. but it can use a external ini file.. 23.29.32 # Domonoky_: I meant the sourcedir 23.30.10 # Can we just kill the old rbutil now and move rbutilqt to rbutil? 23.30.24 # at least /rbutil/rbutilqt doesn't contain ipodpatcher and sansapatcher 23.30.25 # rasher: for building rbutil you also need to get ipodpatcher and sansapatcher 23.30.25 # ah.. no, it depends on the patchers... sometime in the future we will replace the wx version.. then it will be selfconatined.. 23.30.49 # Domonoky_: What are you waiting for now? 23.30.55 # cant you just switch the locations? 23.30.56 # I'll send a correction once I get the confirmation mail 23.31.15 # Domonoky_: That means it looks in ../../tools/ ? 23.31.23 # ../rbutil/ 23.31.27 # e.g. move rbutilqt one level up and put the wx version in rbutilwx? 23.31.49 # we could of course switch now.. rbtuilqt reached m1 .. so we could remove the wx code.. 23.31.53 # Just remove the wx version alltogether. It'll still be in SVN history anyway 23.32.06 # or that was 23.32.08 # *way 23.34.34 # rasher: Is there a preferred source directory organisation for Debian? If we're going to rearrange SVN, we may as well think about packaging. 23.35.26 # isn't it common to have the main program in a folder src/? 23.35.30 # linuxstb: Not that I know of - everything related to the Debian package goes into a "debian/" directory added by patching the "source distribution" 23.35.57 # so as long as there is a single directory with everything in it, it should be fine 23.35.58 # bluebrother: That's what I was thinking... 23.36.12 # in that case we could just rename rbutilqt to src ... 23.36.21 # There's no reason to do that 23.36.33 Part n1s 23.36.33 # bluebrother: But then ipodpatcher/sansapatcher wouldn't be inside that dir... 23.36.39 # otoh that's right. 23.36.56 # Creating the package mostly consists of putting "commands to configure the package" "commands to build the package" "commands to install the package" in the right scripts in the debian dir 23.37.02 # well, aren't external libraries usually outside of src/? It would be similar 23.37.44 # bluebrother: It would certainly be an easy way to clean it up. Rename as you suggest, then delete all the old rbutilwx files. 23.38.30 # then you'd also move rbutilqt/icons to rbutil/ 23.38.35 # Presumably 23.40.18 Quit midgey () 23.40.43 Join BobShield [0] (i=rshield@c-24-15-123-57.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 23.40.50 Join jac0b [0] (n=jac0b@user-11far66.dsl.mindspring.com) 23.42.15 Join bsdfox_ [0] (n=h36sa@dialup-4.182.57.12.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net) 23.42.18 # rasher: Hmm, as open2() requires returning 2 filehandles, I would have to return a list, however, the caller of tts_init() then needs to know what tts_init() returns, which would be engine dependent... 23.42.50 # amiconn: Does it matter? It's still a single variable, and the speak() would know what the variable is 23.43.11 # Iiuc, scalar variables use $ while arrays use @ 23.43.21 Join n17ikh|Lappy [0] (n=n17ikh@c-76-23-98-11.hsd1.sc.comcast.net) 23.44.18 Part Domonoky_ 23.44.38 # Ah, hrm 23.45.23 # has there been any major changes in the past couple days? 23.45.42 # because now my wps doesn't work 23.46.08 # amiconn: I imagine you can create a "pointer" of sorts to hold either value, but I have no idea how. Some perl person should come to our aid here.. 23.47.00 # Hmm, maybe it could return an array reference, which is a scalar itself 23.47.29 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 23.47.37 # I don't know whether that'll work though, as the array is defined within the function, and then a reference returned to the caller? 23.49.10 # Probably not.. maybe it could just always return a list 23.49.21 # Sometimes with a single element 23.49.24 # Or none 23.49.41 # Probably the simplest solution 23.51.26 Join thommy [0] (n=thommy@i59F719ED.versanet.de) 23.52.18 # hi 23.52.51 # jac0b: Nothing that I'm aware of 23.53.01 # hmm 23.53.29 # I am clearing my directory and trying to recompile 23.53.43 # does plugin_get_buffer() always return an aligned address? 23.53.50 Quit maddler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.54.00 # hi 23.54.58 # what is the usual way to put music on a rockbox-ipod? drag n drop, right? 23.55.05 # rasher: Hmm, returning an array reference actually works... 23.55.08 # yeah it should be 23.55.30 # is there a way to increase to sound record volume faster after it was reduced by the limiter ? Sometime when you are in an audience a bit far from the stage, the applause are way louder than the music, so the limiting works fine though it would nice if it could be increased also. 23.55.43 # austriancoder: any status update? 23.55.58 # amiconn: Quite unlike C-behavior.. but I guess it's a reasonable solution 23.55.59 Quit bsdfox__ (Connection timed out) 23.56.30 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 23.56.31 # thommy: yes it should be 23.56.38 # i m using Amarok for my music collection, but amarok copies my music anywhere on the ipod 23.57.09 # thommy: you can't make it copy to a certain folder 23.58.17 # so drag n drop is the best way 23.58.40 # Bah, vbscript is way easier than perl :\ 23.58.50 # thommy: yea, what I did was make a Music Folder and i copy and paste everything to that folder