--- Log for 07.09.107 Server: clarke.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 2 days and 15 hours ago 00.05.21 # preglow: http://ipodlinux.org/PP5020 , below the "Cache Controller" table 00.05.31 Quit freqmod (Remote closed the connection) 00.06.23 # amiconn: nice 00.06.32 # but do we want to not remap ram? 00.06.57 Join sarixe [0] (n=sarixe@ool-435403e9.dyn.optonline.net) 00.07.17 # Depends. For just having the vector table where it should be, both methods should be equal 00.07.22 # deed 00.08.01 # However, if we want to call ROM routines, remapping doesn't work (unless the called routines are relocatable) 00.08.18 # well, doesn't both bl and retailos remap? 00.08.51 # OF remaps, but iiuc it doesn't remap the whole ram 00.10.29 Quit obo ("bye") 00.10.46 # I think so because the OF references variables at 0x1xxxxxxx, which wouldn't be possible when all ram is remapped 00.11.00 # hrm 00.11.06 # i wish i knew how those remap regs worked 00.11.36 # (unless both ida and objdump err on that addresses) 00.11.50 Join BigMac [0] (n=mike@c-71-234-95-131.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) 00.12.49 # I don't think we want to call ROM routines though. Doing so would probably cause gpl problems 00.13.10 # The OF, however, does use rom routines, at least on 1st/2nd gen 00.13.59 # gpl problems?`why? 00.14.22 # that's like gpl programs not being able to call the bios on pcs 00.14.49 # Well, perhaps not. 00.14.51 # i don't think we want to call rom routines either, but not for gpl 00.15.08 # the less stuff we depend on, the better 00.15.22 # The exception vector remapping might still be interesting. We could map the exception vectors to iram. 00.15.39 # would be cool having them at the start of iram 00.15.58 # (now if we knew whether PP5002 can do the same thing...) 00.16.12 # http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2007/09/07/rockbox-build-downloads-aug-2007/ 00.18.56 # no doubt where most of our users are, then... 00.19.01 # * preglow curses portalplayer 00.19.05 # indeed not 00.19.13 # we could be so much cooler with just a wee bit of help :/ 00.19.26 # 4 PP targets at the top... 00.19.51 # Bah 00.20.02 # those four is >60% of all downloads 00.20.19 # Somehow that sheds a light on those annoying album art requests 00.20.55 # ipods: +style -functionality 00.22.49 Join linuxstb [0] (i=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 00.23.43 # well, some people like stuff to look good 00.24.19 # nn all 00.24.21 Quit ender` (" A man without religion is like a fish without a bike.") 00.24.25 Quit davina ("xchat on Ubuntu 7.04") 00.24.50 # preglow: I have nothing against good looking stuff, if it provides good functionality as well 00.25.14 # wasn't the reason for those aa-requests obvious anyway? 00.25.18 # In that respect, ipods are inferior to several other targets I own... even much older ones 00.28.26 # bluebrother: Not to me... 00.28.40 Join skillfulcodr [0] (i=4b866052@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d4c00b177350dba6) 00.28.44 # separating them on main architecture is interesting 00.28.52 # 79.7% PP 00.29.05 # 12.9% coldfire 00.29.43 # Hence still 7.4% SH1 00.29.53 # no... 00.29.56 # 4.3% samsung 00.30.00 # 2.8% sh1 00.30.00 # ah 00.30.05 # Forgot samsung 00.30.18 # * amiconn thought arm, not PP 00.30.19 # what's samsung? The gigabeat? 00.30.23 # yes 00.30.24 # yes 00.30.37 # ok ... 00.30.51 # Hi everyone, Just got a sansa e280 and put rockbox on it. When I plug the sansa in to a usb port while running rockbox I don't get a drive in windows like i do while running the sansa firmware 00.30.52 # Hmm, can I tell rockbox to shutdown after a certain period of time (sleep timer)? 00.31.10 # skillfulcodr: boot the original firmware (OF) for that 00.31.27 # ok, thanks, thought that might be the answer 00.31.33 # With the recorder v1 the most downloaded SH1 target, above 1 POP and 2 coldfire targets 00.31.41 # s/POP/PP/ 00.31.53 # delYsid: yes. 00.32.11 # (the 1 PP isn't entirely fair as we don't provide a bootloader for it yet) 00.32.16 # system / sleep timer 00.32.43 # kind of weird that 1g2g was downloaded 600 times... 00.32.59 # bluebrother: thanks. 00.33.45 # still a lot of h300 users... 00.33.47 Quit hcs ("Leaving.") 00.33.56 # * bluebrother hugs h120 00.34.25 # * preglow joins in the hugging 00.34.29 # * BigBambi too 00.34.45 # I would guess a lot of h300 users would use unofficial builds from MR though. (maybe H10 as well) 00.34.58 # that goes for sansa users too 00.35.03 # I know I haven't updated my H100 is ages though as it is already so stable 00.35.12 # and how about unsupported builds for the PP front? 00.35.18 # * amiconn also prefers his H180 (or even the recorder v1) over the ipods 00.35.39 # i'd take my h120 over the nano any day 00.35.54 # I prefer both the H140 and F60 I have over any iPod 00.36.06 # Bagder: I was about to say that soeone interested in 1g/2g could build the bootloader himself, but then he'd probably also build rockbox itself... 00.36.15 # So it's really rather strange 00.37.45 Part skillfulcodr 00.38.35 # there were people showing interest in the forums but they didn't seem to be able to build the bootloader for themselves yet (didn't really bother to set up a build envionment if I read correctly) 00.39.05 # Weird. Lack of stability is still my biggest annoyance with rockbox on swcodec, although it looks like nls' latest talk commit improved things 00.39.42 # well, do we want to work towards a 3.0 release for CF targets? 00.39.59 # so they downloaded the build and got stuck when ipodpatcher or rbutil wasn't able to install the bootloader 00.40.03 # I'd rather want to know the status of MoB... 00.40.14 # bluebrother: only if they reach 13% ;-P 00.41.01 # Bagder: Did you filter out multiple downloads from the same ip for the stats? 00.41.34 # And are these stats aggregated across all mirrors? 00.41.34 # * bluebrother goes setting up a cron job to regularly download all CF builds 00.41.37 Join Migit109 [0] (n=Migit109@ip68-230-120-77.ph.ph.cox.net) 00.41.42 # some people change their IPs daily... 00.41.47 # amiconn: oh no, this is a raw counter from awstats 00.41.58 # I bet many people have downloaded multiple times 00.42.15 # do .wav files play in rockbox or do i need to re-encode them 00.42.22 # they play 00.42.27 # amiconn: read the page, this is the build server not the download one so there are no mirrors counted 00.42.40 # Bagder: So just the current builds? 00.42.43 # see http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SoundCodecs 00.42.44 # yes 00.43.15 # I have no real stats for the download mirrors 00.43.34 # Hmm, the dailies (including mirrors) would also be interesting 00.43.40 # oh my bad i ment .wma files, sorry 00.43.48 Quit miepchen^schlaf ("Verlassend") 00.43.48 # Migit109: yes. 00.43.50 # wma works too. 00.44.04 # ...unless they are drm protected 00.44.06 Join RudMan [0] (n=RudMan@ool-182fb504.dyn.optonline.net) 00.44.10 # you can't seek in the files though 00.44.18 # because i selected it and played it and it only does audio no video 00.44.31 # Rockbox is an _audio_ player 00.44.54 # * bluebrother slaps forehead 00.44.55 # You mean wmv files then? 00.45.10 # ya , sorry im out of it today 00.45.22 # wma - windows media audio, wmv - windows media video 00.45.35 # ya wmv 00.45.47 # no. Only mpeg2 video is supported. 00.45.55 # You've answered your own question - Rockbox will play the audio only... 00.46.27 # what are mpeg(two) formats just .mpg? 00.46.50 # See http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer 00.49.19 # Please tell me where the Simulator build of Archos Recoder implements track changes (where would I apply Replaygain settings?) I want to do some debugging in Simulator first, before I start on the real thing again ;) 00.50.14 # The s 00.50.40 # The hwcodec sims don't simulate playback. Just wps display + the ability to skip 00.51.49 # I just need some place to call my routines and update the Trackgain etc. values 00.52.07 # So skipping is sufficient 00.52.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.52.39 Join Jdgordon [0] (i=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 00.52.47 # * einhirn greps sources for skip 00.53.30 # I'd just do the work on target. Imho the sim isn't very useful for that kind of work 00.53.40 # * bluebrother leaves for weekend 00.54.01 Quit bluebrother ("bye, back in a few days") 00.55.30 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 00.57.42 # amiconn: Well, I see that to, but the Sim has one big advantage: I can see intermediate results via DEBUGF, so I can better debug the calculations I need on the target. 00.58.49 # hmmm did www.rockbox.org just go down? 01.00.17 # yeah - it appears to be down 01.01.32 # If you can read this, cgi::irc is still alive... 01.01.54 # so is svn... 01.02.01 # I have no problems accessing rockbox.org 01.02.02 # So is the website (for me) 01.02.56 # works just peachy 01.03.01 Join Robin0800 [0] (n=Robin080@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust132.brig.cable.ntl.com) 01.03.08 Quit Robin0800 (Client Quit) 01.03.14 # Doesn't work here 01.03.17 # internatoinal link down maybe? 01.03.21 # down here also 01.03.36 # * pixelma feels special ;) 01.03.36 # svn still works... 01.05.17 # That's a different host 01.05.54 # * linuxstb still has no problems with the website. 01.05.58 # Looks like yet another occasion of routing problems to www.rockbox.org (at least from outside scandinavia) 01.06.18 # my rockbox just locked up how do i get it to reset? 01.06.22 # ping www.rockbox.org yields 'TTL exceeded' 01.06.42 # 64 bytes from labb.contactor.se (91.191.140.131): icmp_seq=1 ttl=47 time=44.2 ms 01.07.01 # eh? 01.07.17 # Migit109: You do whatever hardware reset your device has. What is your device? 01.07.20 # its an ipod 5.5 gen 01.07.26 # amiconn: The output of ping (from London) 01.07.32 # holding play pause isnt workign 01.07.38 # yeah, sure 01.07.39 # Reply from 130.117.2.206: TTL expired in transit. 01.07.43 # routing loop somewhere? 01.07.43 # Migit109: Hold MENU+SELECT for about 5 seconds. 01.07.45 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 01.07.58 # eigma: weird... 01.08.03 # you don't see that too often 01.08.11 # the latest build is down now (about 4 minutes overdue) and only 9 servers took part 01.08.14 # thanks linuxstb 01.08.16 # either something has been routed via the north pole, or there's a loop 01.08.17 # *done 01.08.24 # tracert from germany says that Routing loop occurs between berlin and hamburg 01.08.25 # preglow: must be the North pole 01.08.28 # I get the same as eigma, and that's while pinging from windows (which sets a TTL of 128 instead of 64 on linux) 01.08.30 # I get the same TTL message. and I'm in NY 01.08.39 # amiconn: I am also on Windows; XP SP2 01.08.56 # are the Right People being notified? 01.09.04 # the right people probably can't fix this 01.09.15 # it seems more like one of the routes is having a problem 01.09.21 # From p6-0.core01.ber01.atlas.cogentco.com (130.117.1.182) icmp_seq=5 Time to live exceeded 01.09.31 # The _right_ people can... Just not our right people. 01.09.37 # yeah, I see ham->muc->fra loop 01.09.38 # ah, right 01.09.53 # cogent seems to have a loop in their routing 01.09.55 # wow - except for IRC, everything else has a 5 minute lag 01.09.59 # eigma: Same here. 01.10.23 # 64 bytes from labb.contactor.se (91.191.140.131): icmp_seq=1 ttl=43 time=174 ms 01.10.24 # echo "zomg routing loop" | mail root@cogentco.com 01.10.42 # (that's from another network though) 01.10.46 # oops, wrong window 01.11.05 # i always have a 5 minute lag, hughesnet rocks 01.11.22 # if some of their routers aren't bloody blinking red by now, they're talentless 01.11.42 # i thought the lag was from torrents, but i've throttled torrent to like 10 kbps up, and 50 down 01.12.17 # Yepp: 01.12.17 # 28 107 ms 121 ms 200 ms p6-0.core01.ber01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.1.182] 01.12.17 # 29 100 ms 120 ms 202 ms p0-2.core01.ham01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.1.181] 01.12.17 DBUG Enqueued KICK einhirn 01.12.17 # and so on and so forth... 01.13.18 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC") 01.13.18 # for reference: http://www.pastebin.ca/684728 01.13.20 # I get a fra03->ham01->muc01 loop 01.14.23 # Hmm - maybe cogent is just trying to evade a broken link but cant succeed? 01.14.59 # how do i fix rockbox if it sounds all echoy 01.15.37 Quit petur ("Zzzzzz") 01.17.46 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 01.18.18 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 01.20.41 Join ToHellWithGA [0] (n=ryan@d15-31.rt2-bras.clm.centurytel.net) 01.22.51 # Migit109: you're supposed to turn down the radio when you call in 01.24.02 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 01.27.39 Join pixelma_ [0] (i=pixelma@212.204.47.129) 01.29.07 Join Soap_ [0] (n=Soap@cpe-65-189-128-141.columbus.res.rr.com) 01.30.04 Join _jhMikeS_ [0] (n=jethead7@adsl-75-46-165-27.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 01.30.22 Quit preglow (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.22 NSplit clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 01.30.22 Quit thegeek (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.22 Quit clutch (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.22 Quit maddler (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.22 Quit rasher (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.22 Quit Bjoern-Erik (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.22 Quit Jon-Kha (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.22 Quit Slasheri (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.22 Quit Siku (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.22 Quit Hadaka (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.22 Quit markun (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.22 Quit flynux (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.22 Quit eigma (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.23 Quit BHSPitMonkey (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.23 Quit amiconn (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.23 Quit lostnihilist (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.23 Quit Rob222241 (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.23 Quit YouCeyE (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.23 Quit k-man (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.23 Quit Chairman_Wow (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.23 Quit parafin (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.23 Quit sbeh (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.23 Quit crwl (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.23 Quit [mbm] (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.23 Quit Ave (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.23 Quit smurf (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.23 Quit gromit` (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.36 Quit Migit109 (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.36 Quit sarixe (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.36 Quit donutman25 (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.36 Quit perplexity (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.36 Quit tchan (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.36 Quit advcomp2019 (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.36 Quit DataGhost (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.36 Quit qweru (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.36 Quit annulus_ (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.36 Quit ze (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.36 Quit lids (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.36 Quit w0rd54 (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.36 Quit nerochiaro (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.36 Quit Caliban (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.36 Quit morrijr (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.36 Quit Galois (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.36 Quit gtkspert (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.36 Quit prashantv (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.36 Quit Zom (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.36 Quit gregj (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.36 Quit luckz (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.36 Quit hachi (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.38 Quit einhirn (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.38 Quit jurrie_ (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.38 Quit goffa (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.38 Quit lostlogic (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.38 Quit dionoea (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.38 Quit gammy (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.38 Quit jbit (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.54 # 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Wooo! Netsplit. 01.34.13 Join Soap [0] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 01.34.42 # Jdgordon, did you want me for something earlier 01.38.36 Quit atsea- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.38.48 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 01.40.11 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@modemcable061.67-37-24.mc.videotron.ca) 01.40.41 Quit Migit109 (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Like it? Visit #hydrairc on EFNet") 01.42.56 Join atsea- [0] (i=atsea-@gateway/tor/x-c26d5a708724dff2) 01.48.50 Quit atsea- (Remote closed the connection) 01.48.55 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.50.48 Quit BigMac (Remote closed the connection) 01.54.10 # linuxstb: I though the guy in the forum might be suffering from the routing problems too (he said he can download a different file, maybe from another mirror) but since that is more a guess 01.55.10 # *thought 01.55.11 # I think it's the mime-type problem - the download servers send "ipodpatcher" as text/plain so browsers try and display it. 01.55.28 # I mean the mirrors send text/plain. Haxx's server is fine. 01.56.04 # ah 01.56.22 # didn't know that there were differences 01.58.18 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 02.00.16 Join cHaRgEdUp [0] (n=_ZoDiAk_@62.162.225.124) 02.00.41 Part cHaRgEdUp 02.03.12 Join nekura42 [0] (n=nekura42@adsl-074-229-050-061.sip.bct.bellsouth.net) 02.10.27 Part pixelma 02.10.43 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 02.13.34 Join BigMac [0] (n=mike@c-71-234-95-131.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) 02.19.34 Join Nimdae [0] (n=nimmeh@static-71-164-213-195.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) 02.24.49 Join filipemb [0] (n=filipemb@c951aa4b.virtua.com.br) 02.25.34 # hey can some body help me (i cannot enter in rockbox website, i dont know how but)? i had to disconnect my ipod (with rockbox) while it was making its database and now it doesn't want to do the database 02.25.48 # what can i do in order to do the database and listen to my songs? 02.26.44 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=viewtifu@ool-4351bd58.dyn.optonline.net) 02.26.51 # *BAMF* 02.26.58 # Ah yes, dear friends! 02.27.56 # Greetings all around! 02.28.06 # please :( 02.28.22 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 02.29.53 # Is something wrong with the web server? The connection keeps timing out. 02.30.50 # here too 02.32.15 Join DWSR [0] (n=DWSR@xtreme-42-120.dyn.aci.on.ca) 02.32.48 # there's currently a routing issue with www.rockbox.org that rockbox admins most likely can't solve 02.33.14 # to wait is probably the best thing to do right now 02.34.00 # eigma: Don't worry, I'll wait. I was just curious. 02.36.24 # not much *else* to do, I guess :P 02.36.48 Quit phalax ("Bye... Folding.") 02.37.07 # eigma: Except discuss a few things here on the IRC channel. 02.37.20 # Which brings me to my next subject. 02.37.39 # which is? 02.38.10 # As I've probably said before, I'm not "programmer extraordinaire". I'm still learning how to code in C. 02.38.20 # Hell, I haven't even done embedded systems programming before. 02.38.25 Quit filipemb () 02.38.27 # But I would like to learn. 02.39.03 # I'm still trying to gain some information about my Dell Digital Jukebox and its inner workings, but I'm hitting a few snags. 02.39.51 # as per IrcGuidelines, perhaps this conversation is better continued in #rockbox-community? 02.40.06 # eigma: No, this is development related. 02.40.15 # I'm trying to gather information for a new port. 02.40.29 # And I was here already, discussing this. 02.40.50 Quit tchan (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.41.06 # jhulst: If you're around, give me a holler. 02.45.30 # LambdaCalculus37: holler 02.46.40 # oooh, yet another TMS320-based player 02.46.55 # amiconn: I hacked dirty a bit, but I think I stumbled upon something - at least I think that 3,162277660168 decimal should be about 0x3298 in 12.24 Bit Fixed Point, but it comes through as 0x3298000 02.47.22 # Anyway: Me tired now, going to sleep. 02.47.30 # bye 02.47.42 Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 02.48.12 # eigma: Yeah, except this one has a TMS320 derivative CPU that wants programmers to sign a wacking big NDA to get any kind of datasheets for. 02.48.26 # I speak of the TMS320DA25x line. 02.48.39 Quit DWSR ("Leaving") 02.48.41 Quit BigMac (Remote closed the connection) 02.49.15 Join BigMac [0] (n=mike@c-71-234-95-131.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) 02.49.21 # LambdaCalculus37: I'm around 02.49.36 # jhulst: I was wondering... since we both have Creative devices in our hands that use the MTP protocol to communicate with the PC, how did you read the filesystem on your device? 02.49.50 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 02.49.50 # * LambdaCalculus37 might know what the answer is 02.50.14 # * jhulst is sorry to tell LambdaCalculus37 the answer 02.50.35 # Someone bought a hard drive adapter and tore it apart 02.51.10 # jhulst: Looks like I may have to do the same thing. 02.51.20 # Know anywhere where I can get get one for a good price? 02.51.45 # LambdaCalculus37: What kind of a hard drive? There are two different kinds in the ZVM, both with different connectors 02.51.50 # Any device with software USB (UMS or MTP) can pretty much arbitrarily prevent PC-side access to any part of the disk it wants. 02.51.59 # "Newer libgphoto2 versions also support Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) based media player ..." [http://www.gphoto.org/] 02.52.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.52.22 # eigma: That just allows transfers of songs, not seeing the filesystem 02.52.40 # ah, I understand 02.52.42 # eigma: Basically you only see what they want you to see 02.52.46 # jhulst: The one in the Dell DJ is a 44-pin connector. 02.52.53 # * courtc sees that his documentation might actually be useful... yay! 02.53.45 # * eigma wonders if there's some backdoor to the software MTP implementation that allows "raw-er" access. 02.53.54 # has anybody dumped and started reversing the firmware? 02.54.01 # eigma: On the Dell DJ? 02.54.04 # yes 02.54.09 # * jhulst spent lots of time trying to find a backdoor 02.54.10 # or perhaps a second config in the USB descriptors 02.54.22 # I did post a firmware upgrade for the Dell DJ on the wiki page for it. 02.54.35 # And the results of lsusb -v. 02.54.37 # LambdaCalculus37: So it's an IDE drive? 02.54.50 # jhulst: All signs point to "yes". 02.55.06 # LC37: sorry, can you point me to that wiki page/ 02.55.18 # eigma: Not while the site's still down. 02.55.32 # there's Google Cache and archive.org 02.55.42 # eigma: D'OH! Forgot! 02.55.43 # I found the forum post; indeed, "bNumConfigurations 1" :( 02.57.05 # * LambdaCalculus37 needs to use the little hacker's room 02.57.11 # lol 02.57.22 # I'll be back 02.57.28 # * LambdaCalculus37 will be back 02.57.34 # LambdaCalculus37: The IDE adapter we were thinking about getting was this one, http://www.digitalintelligence.com/cart/html/1.8-Inch-Laptop-Hard-Drive-Adapter.html, I believe we went with the ZIF one though 03.00.05 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@adsl-75-46-2-147.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 03.00.09 Quit _jhMikeS_ (Nick collision from services.) 03.00.17 # * LambdaCalculus37 came back, and yes, he washed his hands! 03.00.33 # dude, do you really have to go into details? 03.00.48 # eigma: :P 03.00.59 # jhulst: Let me see that adapter. 03.01.41 # Ahhh, not bad! 03.01.44 # LambdaCalculus37: It's says it's 40 pin though 03.02.03 # I think it depends on who the manufacturer of the drive is as well 03.03.18 # jhulst: Hitachi TravelStar. 03.03.31 # Horizontally aligned. 03.04.02 # Model HTC424015F7AT00. 03.04.23 # This one is a loose drive I got from another Dell DJ owner I know. 03.05.42 # LambdaCalculus37: In the ZVM, we had two different types of hard drives, someone ordered the wrong adapter assuming his was like everyone else's and now he's stuck 03.06.07 # jhulst: I read about that. Creative used both 50-pin and ZIF drives, right? 03.08.32 # LambdaCalculus37: correct 03.10.38 # jhulst: I have to wait for another check, but I'll most definitely buy one of these adapters and see if I can read at least the spare hard drive. 03.12.38 # Actually, I'll just get that set with the 1.8" and 2.5" adapters. :) 03.14.51 # LambdaCalculus37: Just as a disclaimer, I know nothing about that company, just was one we found that was reasonably priced 03.17.00 # jhulst: I can look up some information about them. 03.18.35 Join sdot [0] (i=18c381e7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-bfd53f127be90c7b) 03.18.41 Join homielowe [0] (n=homielow@d207-81-67-190.bchsia.telus.net) 03.19.05 # Would someone kick rockbox.org back to life 03.20.03 # it's a routing issue with cogent 03.21.19 Quit ToHellWithGA ("You know you'll miss me a lot.") 03.24.07 Quit sarixe ("Peace") 03.26.39 # homielowe: It may be a while before it comes back. 03.27.14 # LambdaCalculus37: I can wait 03.29.04 # jhulst: Any other useful tools for Linux that can read some more info off the Dell DJ, at the very least? 03.29.54 # I've heard of lsdev, but I've yet to get the package for it. 03.30.50 Join atsea- [0] (i=atsea-@gateway/tor/x-2d4eddd09ca5eff0) 03.32.29 # Does anyone here happen to know a non-rb.org location for thumb-interwork-4.0.3.diff? 03.32.54 # LambdaCalculus37: what sort of information, have you looked at the mtp protocol stuff? 03.32.58 # (arm-gcc patch diff?) 03.33.03 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-12hdtj8.cable.mindspring.com) 03.33.12 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 03.33.44 # sdot: if you need something from the site, I can grab it for you, I can get in 03.33.45 # sdot: http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:CtXZsV4jbZsJ:www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/CrossCompiler%3Frev%3D1%3Bfilename%3Dthumb-interwork-4.0.3.diff+%22thumb-interwork-4.0.3.diff%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=ca&client=firefox-a 03.34.13 # Thank you! 03.34.21 # Are the rockbox.org servers having trouble currently? 03.34.55 # * Davide-NYC can't connect. shivers in withdrawal 03.34.59 # cogent routing problem 03.35.01 # perhaps it should go into the topic 03.35.43 # * LambdaCalculus37 keeps on refreshing until he gets bitten by the Fox 03.36.35 # jhulst: I'm still reading about it. 03.36.41 Quit scorche (Connection reset by peer) 03.37.04 Join perrikwp [0] (i=9821616e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-18b3b1f831922d94) 03.37.19 Join scorche [0] (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 03.37.39 Quit perrikwp (Client Quit) 03.37.44 # I've read about MTPFS. 03.37.48 Join JdGordon1924 [0] (n=Miranda@203.94.131.115) 03.38.03 Nick JdGordon1924 is now known as JdGordon|work (n=Miranda@203.94.131.115) 03.38.28 Join perrikwp [0] (i=9821616e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-98ca05b27b400a4c) 03.39.35 # I'm thinking that may be my next step. 03.39.35 Quit perrikwp (Client Quit) 03.40.02 # What I really am trying to find out is the filesystem structure of the drive, and if anything of importance is stored on it. 03.44.49 Quit Doomed_ ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 03.48.54 Quit scorche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.49.35 Join scorche [0] (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 03.50.48 # jhulst: I remember that you mentioned some files on the ZVM that seemed to be firmware related, correct? 03.54.24 # LambdaCalculus37: yes, but those were found through dissasembly of the updater and through the dump of the hard drive 03.54.45 Quit scorche (Connection reset by peer) 03.54.51 # LambdaCalculus37: As I stated earlier, I don't believe there is any way to see the firmware files through the MTP protocol 03.55.14 Join scorche [0] (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 03.55.27 # MTPFS is just a way of mapping what MTP says is on the player to a psuedo filesystem, there is no real access of the hard drive there 03.56.46 # LambdaCalculus37: The best mtp will give you is what you can find by running the mtp-* commands on a linux box 03.56.52 # not a whole lot of info 03.58.22 # * LambdaCalculus37 asked for a challenge, and he got one, all right! :) 03.58.44 # jhulst: Point taken. 03.59.20 Join p [0] (i=9821616e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9d12ad8955665187) 03.59.20 Quit p (Client Quit) 03.59.27 Join perrikwp [0] (i=9821616e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-cf6db041427f48c2) 04.01.09 Quit scorche (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Nine out of ten l33t h4x0rz prefer it") 04.01.23 # * LambdaCalculus37 is taking notes of everything jhulst has said thus far 04.01.33 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.02.17 Join Chronon [0] (i=Chronon@d23-104.uoregon.edu) 04.02.30 # jhulst: My best bet is to disassemble the updater for the Dell DJ and follow the same procedure you did. 04.03.46 Join HeNry2kOo [0] (n=None@adsl-75-37-38-164.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) 04.04.58 # anyone experiencing problems dual booting the OF.mi4 on an E200R? 04.05.45 Join scorche [0] (i=Blah@cpe-76-169-210-85.socal.res.rr.com) 04.06.21 # hey scorche 04.06.33 # hi 04.06.44 # busy? 04.07.21 # not terribly 04.07.57 # can you grab the hidden partition from the e200r for me? 04.08.04 # ... info in the dev-ml... 04.08.58 # well, mine has been rockboxed....does that matter? 04.10.31 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 04.11.05 # hey scorche.. does your dual boot loader work fine on your E200R? 04.12.17 Quit perrikwp ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 04.12.28 # scorche: bagder doesnt think so... and its still better than having the 0 available atm :p 04.13.31 Quit Davide-NYC ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518]") 04.15.32 # alright...i should be able to do that fine in vmware... 04.15.56 # unless it will wipe out my current bootloader? 04.16.12 # no, it doesnt write to that partition at all, so its safe 04.16.26 # your on windows are you? 04.16.32 # atm, yes 04.16.51 # been meaning to have a look at e200tool windows version, but have been busy 04.16.57 # if you can try getting libusb-win32 going it would be good 04.17.16 # im being kicked out of the good desk (the one with the net)... so back later 04.18.11 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 04.19.41 # * LambdaCalculus37 is reading his notes and looking at some more information 04.22.12 # LambdaCalculus37: all the actions (/me) away and back notifications, and *BAMF*s grow quite tiresome. 04.22.38 # * scorche BAMFs Soap 04.22.39 # Might as well be using coloured text and highlighting. 04.29.04 Join kfazz [0] (n=ken@76-203-137-185.lightspeed.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net) 04.29.57 # Soap: Sorry. I'll ease up. 04.30.08 Join _jhMikeS_ [0] (n=jethead7@adsl-75-46-6-131.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 04.30.09 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 04.31.21 Quit HeNry2kOo () 04.31.31 # so it looks like the new ipod classic uses new hardware 04.31.50 # because i seriously doubt the 5g is capable of playing back hi def 04.31.50 # doh 04.32.16 # or has component video 04.32.59 # oh well, saves me money...if it doesn't run rockbox, i'll pass ;) maybe i'll just try to grab a hard drive and stick it in my 5g 04.33.30 # Nimdae: the iPod video can play MPEG4 video up to 2.5 Mbit/S, and H.264 up to 1.5 Mbit/S. 04.33.51 # I don't think it can use component, either. 04.34.02 # Besides that I just have S-video for it. 04.34.46 # 5g does svideo, new ipods use component, i dunno the max resolution the 5g will handle, but the 6g can do 480p 04.35.28 Quit JdGordon|work (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.35.33 Quit hcs ("Leaving.") 04.35.54 # but seriously, it sounds like the 80gb drive is available in the slim form factor of the 30 gb drive, so i'll try to find one of those and a new front bezel, possibly battery, and run with that 04.36.30 # need new front bezel because mine is cracked, heh 04.36.56 # i have a rhinoskin case holding my ipod together 04.37.08 # Nimade: Try these guys for new parts: http://www.ifixit.com 04.37.18 # amiconn: I hear you are interested in an iPod Nano that suffers from buggy playback. 04.37.32 # i checked them about a week ago, but given recent news, things might have changed 04.37.47 # 5G can do 480p 04.38.08 # SVCD is 480p is it not? 04.38.09 # the ipod touch is reported to only do 480i 04.38.15 # not much of a measure. ;) 04.38.22 # true 04.38.40 # Soap: SVCD... Super VCD, right? 04.38.53 # yes 04.39.12 # Soap: SVCD can do 480x480 in NTSC and 480x756 in PAL/SECAM. 04.39.34 # no to your PAL y 04.39.36 Nick _jhMikeS_ is now known as jhMikeS (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 04.40.00 # Soap: Oops... 480x576. 04.40.25 # yeah, ifixit still only has the thicker drives outside of the 30gb drive 04.40.40 # Soap: I'm under the weather, tired, drinking coffee that I can still see through... and still trying to research a Dell DJ. 04.41.17 # Soap: And I should be sleeping. But I'm too crazy to. :) 04.43.31 # I have a Nano that suffers from buggy playback. Llorean suggested on the forums that a developer might be interested in taking a look at it. 04.44.23 # If anyone is interested they can leave me a PM on the forums. 04.44.40 # Chronon: might get better luck posting this info on the forum 04.45.12 # Heh. Llorean suggested I come here and talk about it. 04.45.16 # Soap: Looks like SVCD can also display up to 704x480 in NTSC and 704x576 in PAL. 04.45.57 # Nimdae: The site's still out. 04.46.02 # dang 04.46.33 # well, considering the new ipods are being marketed with the capability, i'm suspecting new hardware 04.46.53 # i'm curious how scratch resistant the new all metal cover is 04.48.04 # Nimdae: Probably at the same level as the mini and nano 2G. 04.48.24 # i've never owned one so i've never had interested in finding out 04.48.29 # guess i could go read, heh 04.48.38 # I'm going to save some money and pick up one... then tear it open and start drawing schematics when I get home. :) 04.49.21 # i wouldn't mind picking up a 8gb nano if rockbox ran on it 04.49.39 # i'm not a big fan of the ipod interface tbh 04.50.07 # Nimdae: I feel bad that my brother's stuck with a nano 2G. 04.50.19 # Maybe I should buy him a Sansa e280 for Xmas. 04.50.43 # well, i showed my housemate rockbox and that's made him want an ipod, but he wants a nano 2g 04.51.07 # I showed several co-workers what Rockbox can do. 04.51.18 # I ended up assisting with now ten installations. 04.51.22 # lol 04.51.31 # he's a technical person so i'd make him rtf 04.51.35 # rtfm 04.51.40 # read the fine manual 04.51.56 Quit RudMan (Remote closed the connection) 04.51.59 # apple's store is so slow right now 04.52.01 # Read The Featured Manual. 04.52.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.52.20 # Anyway, eight of the installations I did were iPod videos. 04.52.45 # Looks like we really do have a large population of Rockboxers with iPods. 04.53.02 # But how many of them are actually developers, or have any programming experience? 04.53.14 # i have programming experience, but not with C 04.53.23 # mostly scripting, and some java 04.53.26 # The world has a large population of iPod owners. It isn't a suprise. 04.53.31 # I have some C knowledge. 04.53.38 # i've hacked C 04.53.43 # but i'd never trust my C coding 04.53.45 # Soap: It's that advertising. 04.54.04 # yup, all in the advertising, and apple is good at it 04.54.09 # Yet I only have one because it was a Xmas gift. 04.54.09 # Must be. People are sheep who only buy what they are told to buy. 04.54.26 # Soap: And when to bleat, it seems. :/ 04.54.34 # i got mine for half price from a co-worker who was upgrading to the then new 80gb ipod 04.54.53 # Nimdae: You know what I wanted? The iAUDIO X5! 04.55.03 # oh yeah, i was saving up for one 04.55.04 # heh 04.55.07 # Or an iriver H340! 04.55.16 # i specifically wanted the x5 04.55.19 # Now THAT'S a real man's DAP! :) 04.55.20 # because it supports ogg 04.55.43 # But with Rockbox, we have pretty much every file format we want/need. 04.56.07 # Well, except for tracker formats, but we have a patch for that in Flyspray. :) 04.56.20 # i just wish rockbox could do java, it'd drive me to learn java ME 04.57.09 # * jhMikeS thinks all this is funny because when informed that his sister wanted to get him an iPod for Xmas, the response was "Hooooold it! Better let me look for something better." First DAP: x5 04.57.24 # Nimdae: Forget Java. How about Perl? Search for music using regular expressions! :D 04.57.33 # lol 04.57.39 # you can't do that already? 04.57.45 # i thought there was a way with the db 05.00.08 # you know, witht he new metal faces, i'd like to have one in a nice cobalt color 05.00.23 # or perhaps navy 05.00.27 # * scorche hears the offtopic alarm 05.00.37 # * Soap points to the topic and the clearly defined roles assigned to the two channels 05.03.24 # Eep! 05.03.50 # i'd idled here so long, i lost track of the topic and didn't think to check for other channels 05.03.53 # bad me, bad 05.04.20 # Ohh, I've been a baaad boy... :( 05.04.36 # talking about how bad you are is offtopic too... 05.05.15 # I'm heading off for a while, then. It's late, and I want to finish my research before bed. 05.05.23 # Good night, all. 05.05.26 Quit LambdaCalculus37 () 05.05.30 # * scorche sighs 05.05.45 Quit bb (Nick collision from services.) 05.05.52 Join bb_ [0] (n=bb@unaffiliated/bb) 05.09.42 Quit kubiixaka ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 05.09.47 Join grndslm [0] (n=grndslm@24-116-87-97.cpe.cableone.net) 05.15.28 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@66.172.231.192) 05.20.36 Quit grndslm ("Leaving") 05.21.33 # Chronon: I suggested coming here mostly because I know a lot of the people who are more likely to be interested don't read the forums that often. But of course you have to catch them when they're here. =/ 05.22.38 # ok. Are there particular times that I should check in? 05.23.47 # Not wholly sure. 05.24.02 # Kinda depends on who'll pick up interest, if anyone right now, since people are both scattered and varying amounts of busy 05.24.17 # * Soap is very curious what Llorean and Chronon are talking about. 05.24.22 # Another option is the rockbox-dev mailing list, I suppose. 05.24.31 # giving someone a nano withy the bug 05.24.41 # * Llorean hopes Amiconn's interested. 05.25.22 Quit advcomp2019 (Nick collision from services.) 05.25.37 Nick advcomp2019_ is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@66.172.231.192) 05.25.56 # ok. Maybe I'll look into the mailing list since I don't have an abundance of time to hang out in here. 05.29.11 # * Soap has a nano with the bug as well 05.31.02 # Well now we just need one of the more hardware inclined guys to say "I'll look into it if I have one in-hand". 05.38.06 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 05.39.28 # Actually, I just got 'teh nets' at my home. So I can probably come in for a couple of hours on most nights to try to connect with a developer regarding the buggy Nano. 05.46.35 # Hi, what does it mean about USB stack 05.46.36 Quit homielowe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.46.38 # in the commits 05.47.01 # does it mean transferrin files over? 05.48.16 # not yet 05.48.54 # oh ok 05.49.03 # just wondered if it was worth putting new version oin there 06.00.33 # interesting they have a 3rd generation nano now 06.01.30 # i see the new nano 06.01.33 # has anyone else?? 06.02.39 # well, they are offtopic unless you are talking about information relevant to a rockbox port 06.02.52 # oh sorry 06.03.36 Join sslashes [0] (i=sslashes@209.67.252.122) 06.05.06 # rockbox.org back online in case anyone hasn't noticed yet 06.05.31 Quit eigma () 06.05.32 Quit hcs ("Leaving.") 06.08.15 # EnterUserName: yes, there are new ipods, no there is no information on the hardware so no one knows if rockbox can be ported to it...i speculate new hardware 06.09.03 # Nimdae: don't worry, he brought it up in #rockbox-community 06.09.30 # oh 06.10.04 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@modemcable083.93-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 06.15.27 Quit Chronon ("Leaving") 06.17.40 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@66.172.231.192) 06.17.46 Quit advcomp2019 (Nick collision from services.) 06.17.50 Nick advcomp2019_ is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@66.172.231.192) 06.19.07 Quit sdot ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 06.27.04 Quit kfazz ("Leaving") 06.29.29 Join theBishop [0] (n=mike@c-68-80-245-242.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 06.29.40 # hi, is there a channel for Archos 605? 06.32.29 Join MySic [0] (n=MySic@252.29.internet.uqam.ca) 06.41.05 Join Guest5231 [0] (n=None@adsl-75-37-38-164.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) 06.41.54 Quit MySic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.43.20 Join MySic [0] (n=MySic@252.29.internet.uqam.ca) 06.47.03 Join tchan [0] (n=tchan@lunar-linux/developer/tchan) 06.48.46 Join nowayx [0] (n=nowayx@168-103-126-160.albq.qwest.net) 06.51.02 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 06.51.15 Join ToHellWithGA [0] (n=ryan@d15-31.rt2-bras.clm.centurytel.net) 06.52.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.56.21 Join nowayx_ [0] (n=nowayx@71-32-97-195.albq.qwest.net) 06.56.34 Quit My_Sic (Connection timed out) 06.59.29 Quit hcs ("Leaving.") 07.03.41 Quit theBishop ("Leaving") 07.03.51 # hey all 07.04.09 # hello Jdgordon 07.04.22 # 11111111111111111111111 07.04.23 # .j 07.04.31 # soz :p 07.04.47 # scorche: howd you go? 07.05.08 # you want a real r or not 07.05.24 # yep 07.06.08 # you on linux? 07.06.29 # http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2007-09/0012.shtml 07.06.34 Quit ptw419 () 07.06.37 # not right now but i could boot it up 07.07.12 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 07.08.32 Quit MySic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 07.10.08 # what does it do fully 07.12.08 # dumps the hidden parttion to the data partition... 07.15.01 Quit nowayx (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 07.15.54 Quit nowayx_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 07.17.25 Join grndslm [0] (n=grndslm@24-116-87-97.cpe.cableone.net) 07.20.41 # ok i will need to find one of my live cds Jdgordon and do it from my other computer 07.22.42 # just make sure you have libusb-dev installed or you wont be able to compile e200tool... 07.23.08 # also, I tihnk i forgot to meniton your supposed to use e200tool (that linked to the message) when the sansa is in manfucaturer mode 07.23.08 # ok 07.24.05 # ok 07.25.15 Quit hannesd ("Client suicide") 07.28.42 # hey guys.. i'm having problems getting the original firmware to dual boot on my e200r 07.31.45 # did you follow the steps right 07.33.25 # yeah rockbox works fine, however, the bootloader won't boot the OF.mi4 stored in 'system' 07.35.16 # the OF.mi4 firmware was the same one obtained from the links in the steps 07.36.23 # OF.bin? doesnt e200r use sansapatcjher to install? 07.37.13 # i used e200tool according to the steps 07.37.19 Quit SirFunk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.38.10 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@206-159-155-246.netsync.net) 07.42.26 Join scorche` [0] (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 07.43.29 Quit Jdgordon ("Konversation terminated!") 07.53.48 Join Ebert [0] (n=EbErT@adsl-219-3-125.asm.bellsouth.net) 07.56.16 Quit scorche (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.56.17 Nick scorche` is now known as scorche (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 08.00.09 # mo0ning 08.02.01 Join Jdgordon [0] (i=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 08.02.33 # here's a pic of the bootloader screen... http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/8793/dsc01863zn5.jpg 08.02.48 Nick bagawk_ is now known as bagawk (n=lee@71-220-239-82.eugn.qwest.net) 08.02.56 # after that it the screen would just fade from white and then back to black 08.03.04 # *fade to white 08.03.56 # * Jdgordon slaps scorche... think of how easy we would have it if we didnt officially say the e200r worked yet.... 08.04.42 # Jdgordon, i am booting into linux 08.05.05 # heh 08.05.14 # advcomp2019: no need...i forgot to mention i already did it =) 08.05.26 # o ok 08.06.03 # Jdgordon: rockbox isnt one to hold things back, really...as long as warnings are in place and there is a relatively safe method of installing 08.08.31 # Yeah, we're not ipl 08.08.45 # Jdgordon: scorche.cleansoap.org/dumptruck/part.bin 08.09.07 # Maybe we should just release a 1st/2nd gen bootloader, even with the shutdown issue still unsolved? 08.09.21 # what is the issue? 08.09.27 # I mean, rockbox is safe to use on those, just it can't be shut down (same as ipl) 08.09.54 # so i'm assuming i probably did something wrong between the steps? 08.10.14 # I know how to do suspend, but it requires work on the powermgmt code to implement per-thead shutdown handling with synchronisation (much like usb is handled) 08.10.29 # Guest5231: i did the exact same thing, and it loaded successfully 08.10.53 # Guest5231: it fades to white, then loads the OF, for me 08.10.58 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 08.11.03 Join rocke1 [0] (n=deceptio@75.112.142.138) 08.11.12 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 08.11.22 Part rocke1 08.11.33 # amiconn: so how does one shutdown?...reboot into the OF? 08.11.33 # however, my bootloader screen does look normal? 08.11.41 Join rocke1 [0] (n=deceptio@75.112.142.138) 08.11.43 # Guest5231: that is what mine says 08.11.57 # that's odd 08.12.49 # scorche: Yes. Atm the poweroff button mapping does just reboot, so you hold Play to reboot, and when it starts booting, hold Menu until it says 'Loading original firmware' 08.12.58 # Guest5231: yes...mine says that exactly 08.13.31 # thanks for looking into it scorche 08.13.37 # If you want to get back into rockbox, you need to reset of course (Menu+Play on 1st..3rd gen) 08.13.51 # anyone familiar with getting the simulator working on a linux distro 08.13.53 # guess the problem lies elsewhere 08.14.37 # Jdgordon: you get my link? 08.18.01 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B14599.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.18.16 # how about getting sdl installed? 08.19.33 # * scorche kicks Jdgordon 08.20.06 Quit BigBambi ("Leaving") 08.20.57 Part rocke1 08.28.16 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 08.35.13 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.36.09 Quit Guest5231 () 08.36.16 Join ddalton [0] (n=daniel@203-214-50-20.dyn.iinet.net.au) 08.49.16 Join B4gder [0] (n=daniel@static-213-115-255-230.sme.bredbandsbolaget.se) 08.50.05 Join kubiixaka [0] (n=Miranda@ip-89-103-17-41.karneval.cz) 08.52.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.56.59 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.dsl.t-2.net) 09.02.56 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 09.05.17 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.06.48 # heh.. /me caused an all green build by pure luck :) 09.07.23 # only 9 servers... 09.07.36 # yes, some link went down right after the commit 09.07.39 # there was some network problems tonight, that's for sure 09.07.42 # amiconn: rbutilqt should (if the rbutil.ini file is correct) already be able to install on the 1g/2g, so to release for that target, you just need to give one of the Swedes the bootloader-ipod1g2g.ipod file to put on the download server. 09.07.47 # hello B4gder 09.08.13 # amiconn: I'll then release a new ipodpatcher - but probably not until tomorrow at the earliest. 09.08.41 # amiconn: And it's no problem to update ipodpatcher again in the future if the bootloader needs changing for suspend. 09.09.47 # Are people still struggling to access rockbox.org? (it's still fine from London) 09.10.29 # fine from here 09.11.02 # gah...too much on-topic talk in #rockbox-community 09.11.36 # lol 09.11.47 # You mean off-topic (for that channel) ? 09.12.11 # on-topic in relation to this channel? 09.12.31 # now you're off-topic! 09.12.32 # :-P 09.12.44 # * linuxstb_ senses a pointless argument brewing far too early in the morning 09.13.02 # * scorche hands linuxstb_ some coffee 09.13.07 # * linuxstb_ wonders if petur is triggered on the word brewing 09.13.22 # scorche: Don't worry, I have a cup and a pot next to me... 09.13.45 # no, just some nicks, some topics and the word 'beer' :) 09.14.01 # Did somebody say pointless argument? 09.14.03 # * Llorean looks around 09.14.22 Quit kubiixaka (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.14.36 # Llorean: No 09.14.43 # I'm kidding. 09.14.47 # feel free to blame me if you need a scape goat! 09.14.54 # see?!?!?: Since they're not quite mutually exclusive, but short-long makes the latter harder since you have to do short-wait-long 09.15.01 # Llorean: So am I (that was a monty python refererence)... 09.15.06 # linuxstb: The bootloader doesn't need changing for suspend. 09.15.15 # linuxstb_: Now I feel bad that I missed it. 09.15.27 # But maybe it makes sense to release a new set of bootloaders, as there are changes for several targets 09.15.30 # Speaking of bootloaders, are we releasing a new Sansa one since the screen glitch fix needs it? 09.15.31 # amiconn: So your only worry is that the inconvenience of no sleep? 09.15.41 # I mean suspend. 09.15.43 # At least the button combo messages are fixed for 3rd gen as well 09.16.20 # amiconn: So the 3g needs updating as well? 09.16.31 # amiconn: Maybe we should work toward new bootloaders all around for the RButil release. 09.16.36 Join Siltaar [0] (n=Siltaar@reverse-52.fdn.fr) 09.16.52 # At least the Sansa, H100 and H300 have bootloader changes waiting in the wings too, and the latter two need some testing by those as can recover. 09.16.55 # Llorean: No need to wait for that IMO - just release as we can. 09.17.08 # linuxstb: As, although it's not essential, just cosmetic 09.17.25 # linuxstb_: I didn't mean to wait for it, just try to get new versions for the H100, H300 and whatever else out there before it's out. 09.17.42 # Llorean: OK, then I agree. new h100/h300 bootloaders seem to be long overdue. 09.17.45 # s/As/Yes/ 09.18.22 # The bootloader prints the button combos for reset+diskmode, which are wrong for 3rd gen in the released bootloader 09.18.25 # The H300 one fixes the USB issue, right? And the H100 one allows us to upgrade the bootloader more safely in the future (no dependence on the OF, and recovery from bad flashes, iiuc?) 09.18.25 # cheers scorche, grabbing now 09.18.34 # (prints them if it can't load rockbox) 09.18.43 # Jdgordon: bout time...anything else? 09.18.48 # amiconn: Yes, I know what message you mean. 09.18.55 # the new h300 one fails to boot my h380 around 50% of the time 09.19.24 # scorche: been busy :p no thanks.. ill prob be back tommorow night with more requests (unless i can convice my friends not to go watch the rugby) 09.19.30 # petur: Hence the "work toward" rather than simply "release" ;) 09.20.25 Quit Ebert () 09.22.24 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1ea8a1e26e041ba8) 09.23.47 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjorn@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 09.26.36 # Can anyone explain the swi instruction on ARM to me? Looking at the ipod bootloader, there are various "swi 0x00123456" commands. The swi handler just does "mov r0,#0; movs pc,lr". 09.29.09 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust362.winn.cable.ntl.com) 09.31.02 # does anyone know where something links to download.rockbox.org/daily/rev something? 09.31.15 # there seems to be many "rev" download attempts 09.31.25 Quit Jdgordon ("Konversation terminated!") 09.32.03 # linuxstb: looks like a transition to supervisor mode 09.32.12 Quit Weiss (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.32.22 # Zagor: if you have time to play around, there's now an updated recentwiki.html in the rockbox web site root dir with the 10 most recent wiki edits, possibly for inclusion on the front page if we can fit it in 09.33.13 # I've been thinking we should cut down the tables on the front page to be more sparse, and rather link to the more verbose versions on separate pages 09.33.48 # but it is also nice with one page with "most recent actions" from multiple sources 09.33.54 # not necessarily on the front page 09.33.59 # yes, we can have such a page too 09.34.03 Join Weiss [0] (i=taw27@pip.srcf.societies.cam.ac.uk) 09.34.21 # maybe they'd all link to that page. but the front page needs to be less cluttered imho 09.34.43 # yeah, it should be neater and cleaner 09.34.48 # i'll play around some and see what I can come up with 09.34.56 # Zagor the design ninja ... not :) 09.35.28 # LinusN: Ah, OK... I guess I should download an ARM reference and read it... 09.35.40 # linuxstb: the swi is a software interrupt 09.35.58 # and interrupts are handled in supervisor mode 09.37.03 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 09.37.07 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host214-208-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 09.37.52 Join CaptainSquid [0] (n=Miranda@proxy14.netz.sbs.de) 09.38.00 # I understand that, but it's the details I don't know. For example, where does the value of LR come from that the handler is branching to? 09.41.16 # anyone know what "teac mp-370" is based on? 09.41.54 # looks like viable rb target 09.42.09 # is there anyone running rockbox on Sansa e260? 09.42.15 # cheap as hell, 4gig model 80 euros 09.42.21 # amiconn: you seen someone on the ml is offering to send a nano to a dev? 09.42.22 # in-jane: yes, many 09.42.27 # Ave: Are there any firmware updates available? Looking at those could give a clue to the CPU. 09.42.32 # Ave: rip it open and check it out! ;-) 09.43.07 # i thought so, haha 09.43.33 # 1 gig goes for 45 eur 09.43.37 # thats almost disposable.. 09.43.48 # i was just wondering how well rockbox works on e260 09.43.54 # Ave: well, the c200 is in the same range 09.43.58 # Ave: A Rockbox port is a _lot_ of work - it doesn't seem that much cheaper than the Sansas. 09.44.00 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 09.44.08 # B4gder: Here in the US, I've seen 2gig c200s for $60 09.44.10 # in-jane: it runs just fine! 09.44.15 # linuxstb_: hmm, an swi handler is supposed to return by moving LR to PC 09.44.28 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 09.44.31 # One direly tempts me for situations where I'm just certain something bad might happen to my player. 09.44.35 # so what you are looking at is an empty SWI handler, that returns 0 09.44.43 # B4gder: good to know, then i 'll try it on my e260 when i receive it! 09.45.04 # in-jane: otherwise we'll have to send the hit team your way 09.45.08 # :-) 09.45.17 # haha 09.45.23 # that'll be LinusN 09.45.31 # * LinusN locks and loads 09.46.15 # hm 09.46.19 # did i understood correctly: i need to boot original firmware(?) to add songs to my e260? 09.46.27 # For now, yes. 09.46.27 # * B4gder made an effort and got some download.rockbox.org download stats 09.46.27 # eh, understand 09.46.29 # er c200 is what, sansa? 09.46.34 # Ave: yes, sansa c200 09.46.46 # ok. 09.46.50 # but I dont like the wheel on it, other than that, it'd be sweet 09.47.05 # there's a wheel on the c200? 09.47.10 # no 09.47.19 # There's no wheel on the c200, I think he's thinking the e200 09.47.26 # B4gder: That reminds me, do you think there is a chance of the admins of the download mirrors to configure their httpd to not send text/plain for the ipodpatcher/sansapatcher executables (and maybe other things)? 09.47.45 # oh yeah sorry 09.47.48 # is the battery life longer or shorter with RockBox on e260? I'm sorry if these questions have been asked thousands of times before 09.48.01 # linuxstb_: sure I can ask them, you know if that goes for all the servers or any specific one? 09.48.10 # not that its very easy to tell the difference... 09.48.21 # I _think_ it's all mirrors. As you say, it's hard to tell.. 09.48.29 # 0 Stored 0 0% 05-23-07 11:45 00000000 Firmware/ 09.48.30 # 5407906 Defl:N 5380505 1% 05-23-07 11:45 10b43236 Firmware/Sigmatel MSCN Audio Player 003.200.zip 09.48.39 # sigmatel 09.48.45 # portalplayer? 09.48.51 Quit grndslm (Remote closed the connection) 09.48.54 # no, sigmatel 09.49.00 # or just generic sigmatel mp3-decoder chip 09.49.07 # and wma too.. 09.49.25 # in-jane: Shorter on the e200 series. 09.49.25 # Sigmatel have various things IIUC - both DSPs and ARM-based CPUs. 09.49.37 # So it could be either... 09.49.46 # indeed 09.49.52 # http://www.sigmatel.com/products/portable/ 09.49.54 # in-jane: Tests show anywhere from 10 to 15 hours depending on your use patterns. 09.49.55 # oh well, I'll stick with my nano until it borks and then what 09.49.56 # Although as it has a large colour LCD, I would guess ARM. 09.50.26 # yeah the most simple mp3-only players usually have simple 1-bit lcd 09.50.45 Join grndslm [0] (n=grndslm@24-116-87-97.cpe.cableone.net) 09.50.45 # and exactly the same menu structure and settings, only graphics change 09.51.50 # anyway, it turns people hardly download daily builds 09.51.53 # turns out 09.51.58 # apple puts up some competition to rockbox with the new iphone-ape-pod 09.52.06 # we deliver more than twice as many from the build.rockbox.org site 09.52.23 # "iphone-ape-pod" ? 09.52.42 # they just published an iphone-like-ipod the UI is touch based 09.52.43 # B4gder: Well we have been trying to discourage dailies, for the most part. 09.52.54 # yes, it seems it basically works 09.52.58 # Ave: Yes, the touch. 09.53.06 # I have download counters from one of the three download servers 09.53.14 # good luck getting rb there :P 09.53.24 # multiplied with 3, ipod video was downloaded 7200 times in august 2007 09.53.30 # The iPod Touch isn't really a prospective Rockbox target. 09.53.35 # For all practical purposes, it's a PDA 09.53.37 # 7257 ipodvideo (19.9%) 09.53.37 # 4611 ipodnano (12.6%) 09.53.37 # 3405 sansae200 (9.3%) 09.53.37 DBUG Enqueued KICK B4gder 09.53.37 # 2937 iaudiox5 (8.0%) 09.54.02 # slightly different shares compared to the current build downloads 09.54.23 # x5 being 8% of the dailes while only 3.8% of the current builds 09.54.41 # and I like this: 09.54.46 # 96 fmrecorder8mb (0.3%) 09.54.57 # the only one we don't provide as a current build 09.55.16 # I was surprised by the number of 8MB downloads - larger than some of the unmodified targets. 09.56.03 # indeed 09.56.07 # i was too 09.56.09 # B4gder: I'd hazard that it's because a larger portion of the x5 population only frequents iAudiophile and has simply been linked to the daily page from there 09.56.22 # sounds likely, yes 09.56.54 # Well, I'd guess that 8mb users are more likely to be on the bleeding edge, while users of any unmodified target may rarely update (or at least update less). 09.59.33 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 10.00.23 # people 10.00.40 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 10.00.40 # * B4gder brought the bold font 10.02.31 # B4gder: Any chance of removing the "They contain all the latest features" line on the Daily Builds page? 10.02.34 Join Buschel [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3E31C.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.02.56 # Or at least modifying it to "They contain the latest features as of (whatever time they're built)"? 10.03.17 # I thought they had been renamed to something like "archived builds" in the past/ 10.03.18 # ? 10.03.35 # The link to them is "Archived Daily Builds" 10.03.46 # Not from here - http://build.rockbox.org/ 10.03.49 # But if someone direct-links to the page, there's nothing to give the impression they're older than anything else. 10.03.56 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 10.04.01 # And the page itself doesn't mention "Archived" 10.04.07 # Okay, the link *used* to be "Archived Daily Builds" 10.04.08 # :) 10.04.28 # But I think it's the use of the word "latest" that really confuses things, as it suggests that "Although these are daily, they're the most up to date we offer" 10.04.50 Join todkon [0] (n=todkon@adsl-70-231-232-64.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) 10.05.14 # Is there a way for the Database to remove what you removed physically from your file system? 10.05.24 # I think the fact that the manuals and voices are only available on that page confuses things. i.e. we're telling people to go there for manuals and voices, but to ignore the actual builds and use current instead. 10.05.29 # because it thinks there's files on my system that aren't really there 10.05.41 Join woodensoul [0] (n=noneofya@pool-72-86-76-28.aubnin.fios.verizon.net) 10.06.53 # Hey guys. I'm getting very short battery life on my brand new Sansa e280. Even with the OF I only got 8 to 9 hours of plaback with no skipping of songs, etc. Any thoughts? 10.07.20 # woodensoul: my thought: you should get longer than so at least with the OF 10.07.21 # Llorean: ok, i have to test it by myself. but 10-15 is enough for me :-) 10.08.04 # in-jane: Of course you can get much less if you play a lot of video, or games... anything that keeps the screen light on a lot. 10.08.38 # todkon: Have you tried re-initialising the database? 10.08.40 # Well, I wasn't even using the player during the test. I just shuffled everthing on it and left it alone. 10.09.38 # I've charged through USB in the OF until the charging icon indicates fully charged which seems to take at least 4 hours. I've also charged with a third party AC adapter that I bought. 10.09.59 # linuxstb: If RBUtilQT is ready enough, perhaps we should throw one more page into the mix, replacing "Current" with "Download" which just has the utility and basic use instructions, and a link to the manuals for further reading or manual installation. 10.10.22 # woodensoul: This is hardly the place to seek support with the OF.... 10.10.22 # linuxstb: nope 10.10.28 # I'll try that, thanks 10.11.22 # I said even with the OF, which means the Rockbox runtime is even less. 10.11.24 # Llorean: I think RbUtilQT needs more documentation - either embedded or in the manual. For example, with ipod bootloader installs there are the issues of being root/administrator, maybe umounting the device or closing itunes, etc. I don't think it's at the stage where we can simply say "run rbutilqt" and nothing else. 10.12.09 # someone posted a 1g2g bootloader in the forums... 10.12.19 # * linuxstb sends in the forum police 10.12.39 # night 10.12.40 Part todkon 10.12.54 # Do I need to remove this bootloader link? Where be it? I remember seeing it, but I didn't think it was a problem. 10.12.58 Quit qweru ("moo") 10.13.04 # Didn't realize at the time it wasn't quite considered "ready" though 10.13.35 # woodensoul: Yes, but this means your problem is probably "A defective Sansa" but either way, outside of "Things dealing with the Rockbox software" 10.13.45 # I guess it's harsh to remove the link - I was hoping the file was actually hosted on the forums. Maybe worth adding a note to say that the official release should be in the next few days. 10.14.01 # linuxstb: Sounds like a good idea. 10.14.21 # Llorean: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12173.msg94664#msg94664 - maybe put it into the unsupported build forum? 10.15.08 # he also posted instruction how to compile it right above... 10.15.34 # It is possible that the battery is the only thing that is defective? 10.16.30 # And I'm betting that the fact that I didn't fully charge the battery before my first use wouldn't permanently damage the battery capacity? 10.17.55 # do you know can i use my old charger (from Creative MicroPhoto) to charge my new Sansa e260? 10.18.22 # not really 10.18.45 # :/ 10.20.07 Join scorche` [0] (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 10.21.35 Quit scorche` (Remote closed the connection) 10.23.52 # in-jane: you can't, the sansa has a custom connect and only charges over usb 10.24.03 Join obo [0] (n=obo@rockbox/developer/obo) 10.24.20 # B4gder: ok. that's sad! 10.24.32 # custom connector? 10.24.40 # Zagor: Much like the iPod dock connector 10.24.56 # is that the same on the c200 series? 10.24.58 # Zagor: yes, they have a custom USB => sansa-connector 10.25.06 # no idea 10.25.23 # in-jane, the only way is with a the sansa dock or griffin powerdock for the sansa 10.25.25 # I think I'll go get one during lunch 10.25.35 Quit Siltaar (Remote closed the connection) 10.26.17 # advcomp2019: thanks for the info! 10.27.31 # * Llorean wants a Rockboxable target that has a usb plug builtin, like a thumb drive 10.27.55 # yeah, that'd be neat 10.28.47 # the iaudio x5 subpack is a real pain 10.28.49 # I've seen a few flash players like that, but they're almost universally ones that ought to be given out in cereal boxes. 10.29.01 # the sansa express does. have we written off that as possible target? 10.29.10 # nah 10.29.11 # http://www.sandisk.com/Assets/Image/DigitalAudioPlayers/Sansa%20Express/SansaXpressonhand.jpg 10.29.28 # just nobody poked on it (yet) 10.29.31 # ok 10.29.47 # Zagor: I have to say that's a pretty unrealistic image. 10.30.08 # it seems to be a PP based target 10.30.27 # since it works with the same updater program like the other ones 10.30.30 # B4gder: Sounds promising then... 10.30.52 # yes, a tempting one... ;-) 10.30.53 # Hmm, I wouldn't assume the same CPU just because Sansa have a unified updater... 10.31.07 # no, but its a hint 10.31.22 # it supports 4 players, the other 3 are PP 10.31.29 # If I was Sansa, I would just release one updater... 10.31.35 # Or sandisk even... 10.31.46 # for example, the m200 is not supported and it is not PP 10.31.51 # Same principle as rbutilqt... 10.32.02 # Was m200 an older device though? 10.32.07 # yes I think so 10.32.19 # Could we drop the ..qt from RBUtil now the wx one has gone? 10.32.32 # Same principle as rbutil... 10.32.41 # :) 10.32.43 # * B4gder tries to run the updater... 10.34.28 # Zagor (or whoever): If you're updating the front screen, can you unbold the "Tracker Cleanup Week has begun!" bit? 10.34.43 # yup 10.34.59 # Or change it to say it happened? 10.35.01 # or move it up and schedule it for next week... 10.35.08 # argh, the updater doesn't reveal/download anything without a target inserted 10.35.58 # I assume no-one has noticed any dissections of the new ipods online yet? 10.36.10 # http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2007-09/0007.shtml 10.36.17 # "the Sansa Express has an STMP3600" 10.36.22 # ah 10.36.28 # sigmatel it is then 10.36.42 Join Siltaar [0] (n=Siltaar@reverse-52.fdn.fr) 10.36.45 # * petur proposes auto-scheduling of a tracker cleanup week whenever it goes above 1000 entries 10.37.01 # linuxstb: nopes 10.37.14 # Can't we just put a limit in flyspray? "Sorry, Rockbox has too many bugs already, please try again later..." 10.37.24 # hehe 10.37.30 # "please fix one and then retry" 10.37.54 # ah a post ratio: you can only post if you fix some first 10.38.05 # It's like the class Microsoft Word error message: Document is too large, remove some text and try again 10.38.32 # linuxstb: I thought they weren't going to be in-stores until "the weekend" 10.38.35 # it was an error message? I know word6 just crashed 10.38.58 # it was an error message 10.39.01 # I got it in an error dialog. I think it was when trying to print. 10.39.04 # I got it 10.39.10 # I got it when trying to save 10.39.22 # the best possible time 10.39.26 # :) 10.40.15 # back in the happy 90s, oh those days... 10.41.04 Quit ddalton ("leaving") 10.41.59 # http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/09/06/high_quality_unboxing_photos_of_apples_new_ipod_tubby_nano.html 10.42.09 # these cowords only take photos of the outside! 10.42.25 # sleek it's not... 10.42.52 # B4gder: "Apple outsider" then... 10.43.21 # Somehow those close-up shots of the the headphone port are... disturbing... 10.43.32 # we need some kind of gui genious to come freshen rockbox' looks up :/ 10.43.47 # The wheel looks even smaller than the 1G/2G Nano... 10.44.42 # preglow: All we really need are a gradient highlight bar, color icons by default, a colored status bar, and *maybe* the ability to draw the menu on half the screen during the WPS. :-P 10.44.54 # Ah, viewports! 10.45.04 # here we go again... :-) 10.45.11 # Viewports is only necessary for the final point. 10.45.27 # It was help when making a nicer status bar. 10.45.31 # ^would 10.45.31 # Colored icons by default would actually make it clearly graphical at least (on appropriate targets) 10.45.39 # deedey 10.45.45 # anti-aliased fonts :P 10.45.50 # preglow: There's a patch for that 10.45.51 # /kick preglow 10.45.52 # CLaims it's fast too 10.46.14 # Anti-aliased fonts using our existing ones, I think he said 10.46.19 # And a 3D cover-art browser like Cover Flow... 10.46.24 # i've been toying around with the idea of "transition plugins". i.e. pluggable code to handle transitions between different pages. 10.46.25 # Llorean: orly? 10.46.28 # preglow: Yup 10.46.30 # Lemme check 10.46.40 # Zagor: That'd satisfy some peoples 10.46.49 # indeed 10.46.50 # either simply left-right scroll like the ipod fw, or whatever zoomy crap you can come up with 10.47.01 # but i don't think the code for it would be big enough to merit plugins 10.47.03 # preglow: 7683 10.47.03 # eurgh 10.47.09 # Llorean: thanks 10.47.17 # Zagor: whatever you are smoking, i want some too :-) 10.47.25 # preglow: the point with plugins would be to let it be choosable/hackable 10.47.27 # he's high on rockbox 10.47.39 # I wonder what all these "transition effect" crap is about. It only hampers quick operation 10.47.54 # amiconn: absolutely. I wouldn't run it myself... 10.47.58 # amiconn: they are about looking cool 10.47.59 # Didn't we recently reject (with a "no, thanks") a feature request for screen transition effects? 10.48.15 # amiconn: Clearly while waiting for a disk to spinup for a folder change is too horrible, waiting for a fade effect is fine and dandy 10.48.39 Join scorche` [0] (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 10.49.09 # preglow: Apparently not a patch, I thought there had been one attached. =/ 10.49.09 # i don't see a point in antialiasing our current fonts... 10.49.47 # i was more thinking bitmap fonts with an alpha channel 10.49.53 # will probably be dog-slow, but there you go 10.50.11 # Well, using sub-pixel hinting with our existing fonts probably won't be too bad. 10.50.14 # Font antialiasing would require alpha support, which would slow down font rendering by a factor of 10x + 10.50.32 # Llorean: but why? we don't need sub-pixel accuracy 10.50.49 # Many OFs can cheat in that respect, as they only use a single font and fixed backgrounds 10.50.51 # amiconn: I agree, but we also have targets (e.g. Gigabeat F, and even more so the Gigabeat S) with cpu cycles to burn... 10.51.42 # and burning cpu cycles is fun! 10.51.54 # preglow: Wouldn't it result in nicer looking fonts, without quite the same performance burden as anti-aliasing? 10.52.13 # enter the gigabeat-rockbox folding@home client 10.52.22 # even the Gigabeat S's transitions lag... 10.52.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.52.36 # Llorean: it would depend heavily on the font, but i don't see a reason in offsetting our ordinary fonts by half a pixel just to make them looks blurrier 10.52.39 # scorche`: Then they must be very poorly implemented... 10.53.03 # linuxstb: wouldnt surprise me... 10.53.11 # preglow: get with the times, blurry is cool! ;) 10.53.15 # Llorean: For font anti-aliasing, you do need alpha support 10.53.25 # There's no way around that 10.53.26 # I can't imagine why a 500+MHz CPU should struggle to animate a 320x240 LCD. 10.53.31 # not if the background is solid ;-) 10.53.37 # preglow: So make it a configurable option (or a by-font option). Some people will want it, and wouldn't it only double the font size from 1bpp to 2bpp? 10.53.46 # amiconn: Sub-pixel rendering isn't font-antialiasing though. 10.54.13 # Hmm, do you mean like Cleartype? 10.54.18 # yes 10.54.47 # you can fake antialiasing by prerendering, no alpha support needed 10.55.06 # alpha support is noly needed when the background is unknown 10.55.08 # only 10.55.11 # Llorean: worst case it'll double it, yes, but if the font is one pixel wide in places, it'll look like absolute shit 10.55.17 # LinusN: Which it always is with Rockbox, though. 10.55.21 # yes 10.55.46 # preglow: If the user wants absolute shit, why not offer it to him? 10.55.59 # we can offer a whole bag of it :-) 10.56.04 # Llorean: i dunno, it hasn't been our policy thus far 10.56.07 # With giant fonts, which seems to be what users prefer anyway, it'll soften things up a little bit. 10.56.21 # i wouldn't exactly yell at whoever produced a patch, heh 10.56.28 # but i don't see a point in it right now 10.56.36 # In the end, it'd have to be seen on target to decide on anyway 10.56.37 # i'd be more interested in alpha support and fonts rendered with an alpha channel 10.56.46 # preglow: Gonna buy a Gigabeat S then? 10.56.54 # Llorean: no cash, also, i can't find one 10.56.55 # heh 10.57.58 Join JerryLange [0] (n=JerryLan@ppp548.hk.centurytel.net) 10.58.00 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 10.58.07 # actually lots of people prefer eye-candy to speedy operations 10.58.18 # indeed 10.58.22 # i even know techy people that do 10.58.29 # indeed 10.58.41 # i even know coders that run vista :> 10.58.49 # no! 10.58.52 # yes... 10.58.54 # * linuxstb points to some eye-candy - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSK0dVqvoAs&NR=1 10.58.54 # preglow: you must not be aware of the rockbox post box... 10.59.19 # hm? 10.59.55 # * scorche` has bought 4 gigabeat Ss so far for Rockbox people... 11.00.06 # ?? 11.00.12 # has he, now 11.00.18 # then only the cash is missing 11.00.20 # how much is it? 11.00.23 # $199 for 60GB, $169 for 30GB 11.00.43 # (plus shipping) 11.00.44 # why, that's almost nothing 11.01.11 # then i shall seriously consider it once i'm out of the current economical predicament :P 11.01.51 # I hope you don't have to wait too long - they don't seem to be getting any easier to find... 11.02.08 # The plus side is that there are actually batteries available for the S-series 11.02.16 # So they seem a wee bit more maintainable than the F 11.02.24 # the perfect rockbox target, going away before the port works... 11.02.28 # scorche`: new or used? 11.02.34 # Refurbished 11.02.40 # B4gder: I think they went away before the port started... 11.02.44 # true 11.02.53 # (considered better than new by many) 11.03.07 # preglow: Mine came in very good condition. A tiny scratch on the screen, and the button labels were worn off, but other than that nothing to indicate serious wear or signs of damage. 11.03.21 # I had to guess which button was previous/next/pause/etc. 11.03.22 Quit JerryLange ("Leaving") 11.03.33 # Since they aren't obvious things like "Left" or "Right" on the cross. 11.03.39 # why the hell did they go away so early? 11.03.42 # Zune 11.03.50 # rightie, anyone cracked that yet? 11.03.53 # It's a Gigabeat S with fancier packaging. 11.04.04 # preglow: Someone installed a new font... 11.04.11 Join Hoss [0] (n=jangari@178.64.233.220.exetel.com.au) 11.04.24 # would be more encouraing to do a port if the work can be used elsewhere too 11.04.44 # Yes, I wonder if there are any other i.MX31 DAPs.. 11.04.50 Quit Siltaar (Remote closed the connection) 11.04.54 Nick Hoss is now known as Jangari (n=jangari@178.64.233.220.exetel.com.au) 11.04.57 # i.mx31 is a pretty popular platform right now 11.05.04 # i would even expect some new ones to come out with imx.31 11.05.10 # go dot placement 11.08.41 Join sasukee [0] (n=SK@unaffiliated/sasukee) 11.09.16 # 12 hour battery life? that's a bit sucky 11.09.49 # An easy target to beat with Rockbox I would hope 11.09.56 # Some users have encountered a problem when the player deletes all media on its hard drive after being disconnected from USB sync with a computer. <- let's try to retain this bug, it's hilarious 11.10.27 # * linuxstb asks Zagor to add a new "bug request" feature to flyspray 11.10.54 # ! 11.11.10 # "please give me more bugs, I have too much spare time"? 11.12.37 # preglow: I'm assuming part of the 12 hour battery life is ridiculously bad HD use. 11.12.51 # how the hell do the devs get away with that? 11.12.53 # While browsing the playlist, about every three entries it had to spin up the disk. 11.13.16 # It would spin down almost immediately if I wasn't constantly scrolling, then spin up again once I started moving. 11.13.50 # And this isn't "every third song I skipped to" but "Every third entry I highlighted" 11.14.28 # At first I thought it was trying to precache some of the highlighted song so I could play it immediately, but that turned out to be false 11.14.31 # jesus 11.14.54 # yeah...the OF is pretty bad 11.18.35 # does fat support mapping away certain sectors? 11.20.49 Quit obo ("bye") 11.22.55 # preglow: not really 11.23.09 # i've got some bad sectors i want to not use... 11.23.40 # you can fake it by marking some clusters as used, but it will go away when you scandisk and find "lost cluster chains" 11.24.04 # ok, so fat is helpless in the presence of bad sectors 11.24.10 # You can also mark clusters as bad 11.24.16 # afaik, scandisk can mark clusters as bad using the fat 11.24.24 # rockbox respects that, i hope? :> 11.24.26 # amiconn: ah, yes, now i remember 11.24.45 # preglow: yes, sure 11.25.01 # cool, then i shall reformat my h120 and give it the windows treatment soon 11.27.14 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC") 11.27.19 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 11.27.48 # * amiconn wouldn't trust a disk at all when it already shows bad sectors at the OS level 11.28.03 # http://www.rockbox.org/recent.shtml 11.28.20 # amiconn: me meither, but it's either that or no h120 11.28.32 # and i don't care anyway, all the music on it is also on my computer 11.31.30 # Zagor: nice! 11.32.10 # so anyone tried iPod classic yet ? 11.32.20 # Zagor: FS missing 11.32.33 # rasher: yeah, we haven't made a cute little box for that yet 11.32.38 # Zagor: why isn't the wiki change list a table? 11.32.53 # gregj: no 11.32.56 # it is, reload to get the new stylesheet 11.32.58 # preglow: I'd just replace the disk... 11.33.16 # Zagor: ok, I see it now 11.33.17 # Can we get the channel topic changed to "No, we haven't tried any of the new iPods, and nobody is working on them at this time"? 11.33.37 # I think the weather's going to get worse before it gets better. 11.33.41 # :> 11.33.50 # Llorean: really think it is necessary? 11.33.52 # amiconn: this is where the lack of cash once again rears its ugly head 11.33.56 # gregj: there's lots of vieos about the new ipods on youtube. 11.34.17 # Hmm. My iRiver iHP120 has stopped autochanging directories. Is this a common problem? I had it before but an upgrade solved it. Now I've upgraded again but the problem persists. Any ideas? 11.34.24 # scorche`: Dunno, we'll see over the next week. :-P 11.34.31 # maybe that was offtopic :/. 11.34.43 # gammy: make sure you don't have repeat on 11.34.44 # Llorean: alright...i dont see much sense in changing the topic like that now at least 11.34.54 # Zagor: well, lemme see 11.35.06 # LinusN: Yeah I was thinking about that. What is it supposed to be set to? I assumed 'All' would be the entire archive. 11.35.31 # gammy: The playlist has to end for it to change directories, so repeat has to be off. 11.35.37 # gammy: "All" means all files in the playlist 11.35.52 # ah 11.36.07 # currently autochange dirs is a bit of a hack, yeah? 11.36.09 # and the current playlist is the directory you're in when not using the db, am I right? 11.36.27 # preglow: sort of 11.36.28 # preglow: So I hear, and then there's directory shuffle on top of it. 11.36.33 # gammy: right 11.36.41 # i think the better solution would be a playlist mode and a directory mode 11.36.42 # I can't use the db-stuff because my drive is a bit dodgy. A complete scan will just freeze the iRiver. 11.36.46 # but that might be confusing... 11.36.57 # gammy: nasty 11.37.05 # LinusN: Yeah. 11.37.24 # LinusN: But it's not that bad - I might have to kill my iRiver once every six months because of it. 11.37.40 # yep 11.37.42 # it works now 11.37.48 # I disabled repeat. 11.37.51 # Excellent! 11.38.08 # LinusN: but you know - I can't even run the original firmware 11.38.17 # rockbox has given this machine over two extra years 11.38.20 # and it's still kicking. 11.38.32 # Man. 11.38.36 # Rockbox is so great. 11.38.40 # It makes me want to cry :D 11.38.42 # nice to hear 11.39.04 # it sometimes makes me cry :/ 11.39.08 # If any developers are in Stockholm I insist on buying them some beers some day. 11.39.25 # * LinusN likes beer and lives in stockholm 11.39.29 # I was planning on making some "plugins" last year but never got around to it. 11.39.38 # I should really look into that when I have some time. 11.39.39 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF7470.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.39.58 # * GodEater likes beer and would come to Stockholm for it 11.40.02 # I wish I knew more lowlevel hacking so I could help out. 11.40.10 # GodEater: Where are you? :=. 11.40.13 # erm, ":)." 11.40.29 # London 11.40.30 # ahh, the predator smiley 11.40.47 # * scorche` likes beer and would come to stockholm if someone bought him a ticket 11.42.37 # does stockholm, or sweden in general, brew any noteworthy beers? 11.42.59 # sweden does, indeed 11.43.10 # sweden does, yes 11.43.17 # Jämtlands Bryggeri makes one of my absolute favourite ales 11.43.29 # Jangari: NO 11.43.30 # tuborg is swedish isn't it? 11.43.30 # heh 11.43.31 # narke kaggen stormaktsporter is currently rated as the best beer in the world by ratebeer.com :> 11.43.34 # Jangari: danish 11.43.36 # ah 11.43.38 # ta 11.43.46 # I don't think there's a mentionable Swedish beer. 11.43.55 # there are 11.43.56 # petur is going to be sad he missed this conversation... 11.43.58 # Now Belgium.. 11.44.00 # or an internationally available one, even 11.44.01 # nope 11.44.04 # gammy: then you have either very strange taste, or you haven't been looking :) 11.44.12 # Zagor: Perhaps a bit of both. 11.44.13 # i'd like to try sweden's beers 11.44.13 # * petur is triggered by beer 11.44.13 # nils oscar brews nice stuff too 11.44.16 # I like uh 11.44.18 # but they can't be bought in aus 11.45.11 # oooh, jämlands oatmeal porter :> 11.45.26 # Duvel, Chimay, Kwak, .. 11.45.33 # Kwak is my favourite. 11.45.41 # yum! 11.45.47 # tis good indeed 11.45.57 # gammy: try Smörpundets Porter by Nynäshamns Ångbryggeri. it's heaven in a bottle. 11.46.09 # i want to taste that... 11.46.25 # belgians tend to put too much alcohol in their beers for my taste. it hides the malt and barley. 11.46.27 # never heard of kwak 11.46.40 # now THIS is rockbox on-topic ! ;) 11.46.43 # chimay is certainly excellent 11.46.55 # Zagor: beer is always on-topic =) 11.47.00 # Zagor: yeah they usually have a lot of alcohol. But I don't think it disturbs the taste. I mean they are fine beers. 11.47.01 # when i come over for devcon, you'll have to restrain me 11.47.05 # beerbox! 11.47.18 # sounds like a bag of beer! 11.47.22 # carlsberg elephant :D 11.47.35 # speaking of beer... 11.47.35 # LinusN: Are you referring to that 1-minute drink!! plugin? ;) 11.47.37 # * Jangari boogies out of the room 11.47.45 # Jangari: hahaha, connoisseurs choice 11.47.50 # * petur gets thirsty 11.47.53 # amiconn: aaah, powerhour.rock! :-) 11.48.23 # * Jangari ambles into the room with a squire in hand 11.48.26 # this is it, afterwards it's imperial stout time 11.49.13 # this is my "standard" ale: http://www.jamtlandsbryggeri.se/postiljon.html 11.49.47 # devcon? 11.50.06 # Zagor: dried..fruit? 11.50.12 # Zagor: looks tasty... 11.50.20 # sounds like an esb 11.50.28 # gammy: developer's conference 11.50.33 # preglow: yes, quite related to esb 11.50.47 # scorche`: Yes I figured - but when/where ? 11.51.28 # hasnt been decided yet 11.51.40 # you can see the past conferences on the wiki 11.51.52 # Interesting. 11.52.48 # er. Where in the wiki? A search didn't reveal anything. 11.53.14 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebSearch?search=devcon&scope=text 11.53.15 # DevCon2006, DevCon2007, DevConWest2007 11.54.08 # hm. 11.54.09 # Weird. 11.54.50 # * GodEater thinks that the "Go" box at the top of most wiki pages is confused with a "Search" box 11.54.54 # Any pictures? 11.55.00 # plenty 11.55.13 # GodEater: Ah yes. You're right. My bad. 11.55.21 # http://www.rockbox.org/devcon2007/ 11.55.33 # gammy: not really, I think it's a dire UI choice 11.55.33 # www.rockbox.org/devconwest2007/ 11.55.38 # * pondlife is hoping that the DevConPub2 picture has vanished 11.55.45 # hahahaha 11.55.50 # it's still in the forums 11.55.54 # url!"#¤! 11.56.12 # preglow: just search for the London Social Meet thread 11.57.14 # haha, arm wrestling! 11.57.15 # * pondlife abuses his developer badge and deletes the thread 11.57.58 # * preglow stores the images away for future abuse 11.58.09 # scorche: Where are you, that you don't have any other Rockbox hackers around? 11.58.48 # pondlife: southern california 11.59.33 # Entirely OT, my brother's just moved to CA, not sure whereabouts "Campbell" is though 11.59.40 # fuck 11.59.41 # reboot 12.00.00 # pondlife: it seems the whole morning has been OT 12.00.00 # The arm wrestling image contains a virus? 12.00.28 # LinusN: thing with the ipods is, they are useless without rockbox :) 12.00.38 # agreed :-) 12.00.43 Join Entasis [0] (n=Jarred@ppp121-45-50-38.lns11.adl2.internode.on.net) 12.00.53 # pondlife: a fair bit away 12.02.03 # LinusN: I just wish sokoban will be bit bigger on screen of my ipod ;) and maybe battery life, toehrwise, I haven't used apple's firmware since I started using rockbox 12.02.57 # gregj: feel free to dig in and make sokoban bigger 12.03.35 # I know :) 12.04.35 # i think they just changed HD sizes on 'classic' ipod, and probably they all work now in 1M/2M per sector, and that's it, that's my guess of course 12.04.50 # gregj: I doubt it... 12.04.56 # im sure there is much more 12.05.10 # I just wait for some website to take it appart 12.05.21 # the PP chips couldn handle those new features 12.05.26 # I suspect Apple wouldn't want to use PortalPlayer for new models. 12.05.29 # They announced they were dropping PortalPlayer over a year ago - so I don't think they would release any new DAPs based on them now. 12.05.30 # well.. 12.05.37 # hmm 12.05.51 # so nvidi bought PP in vain 12.05.53 # Plus what scorche` said, plus the fact that the UI has completely redesigned and matches the 3G Nano... 12.06.06 # I think it is the other way around 12.06.07 # Plus the very long battery life... 12.06.12 # new nano has the features old ipod had 12.06.40 # in terms of UI 12.06.45 # gregj: the nanos have had the beefier hardware longer 12.06.52 # No, it has Cover Flow for one thing. 12.06.56 # I will go to apple store on monday, and check it out 12.07.07 # I think they had this in previous one 12.07.22 # the ui is rather silly to me, why waste half of the screen for a silly slide show? 12.07.34 # What else do you do with large colour LCDs? 12.07.39 # now that I work in london, I can go to the store anytime :) 12.07.49 # (apart from silly eye-candy...) 12.07.58 # LinusN: same reason people want DOOM to have priority over playback 12.08.10 # nr 1 complint I can read here, and in formums, is that rockbox's UI is unreadable, due to the smallish font 12.08.11 # scorche`: good point 12.08.23 # doom is great :D 12.08.30 # gregj: that is why you change the font... 12.08.31 # gregj: so true, the default font is tiny 12.08.47 # btw, did you guys change anything in fixed point mp3 decoding over last month ? 12.09.05 # * scorche` points to the changelog 12.09.14 # I can hear clicks sometimes now, and I listein to music on 0.3 volume - because I have better headphones now 12.09.30 # scorche`: well, I cna view the diff, nice, but this won't give me too much info :) 12.09.33 # 0.3? 12.09.38 # I am not familliar with the source that good 12.09.44 # where 1 is full volume 12.09.49 # LinusN: depends on the display... 12.10.00 # gregj: 0 is line level on rockbox.. 12.10.07 # I see 12.10.09 # so 0.7 ? 12.10.22 # libmad was modified in July most recently 12.10.25 # it seems 12.10.28 # and rockbox doesnt measure volume in points 12.11.02 # B4gder: that must be it than 12.11.15 Join theotherpreglow [0] (i=54307747@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-98ec592284dd5ff7) 12.11.22 # bah 12.11.33 # B4gder: is it api compatible, iow, can I just swap it for the older one, just the libmad ? 12.11.37 # gregj: Again, though, where are you getting these volume numbers? 12.11.41 # * linuxstb thought theotherpreglow as postglow 12.11.46 # ^was 12.11.52 # heh 12.12.06 # i hate to say it, but booting rockbox is slightly disappointing after having been in retailos :/ 12.12.28 # theotherpreglow: /msg nickserv ghost 12.12.45 Join lurk [0] (i=c27f0811@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d140052900896db5) 12.13.12 Nick pondlife is now known as thesamepondlifeb (n=Miranda@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 12.13.13 # LinusN: my shell isn't up yet 12.13.24 Nick thesamepondlifeb is now known as pondlife (n=Miranda@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust362.winn.cable.ntl.com) 12.13.27 # This might have been discussed but I'll ask anyway. I mean making the sysfont bigger for targets with larger screens. 12.13.29 # theotherpreglow: retailos ? 12.13.31 # theotherpreglow: yeah eyecandy isn't our best act :) 12.13.34 # I usually consider it a relief to come back to rockbox once I've ran on OF 12.13.39 # an OF 12.13.45 # lurk: would be nice 12.13.54 # What are the cons? Apart from that has to be done? 12.13.55 # usage wise: hell yes, but rockbox looks... ugly 12.14.22 # lurk: it is the same font for all targets, from archos, to ipods 12.14.24 Quit pondlife ("darn") 12.14.33 # it doesn't have to be a clone fo retailos, but right now we're just plainly not doing it right in any wya 12.14.35 # lurk: Increased binary size. But I agree it would be sensible. 12.14.40 # the cons: it has to be done and tested and a patch must be posted ;-) 12.14.47 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust362.winn.cable.ntl.com) 12.14.57 # LinusN: of course, it still has to be small enough so that the status bar fits in. But it can be done individually for every target. 12.15.02 # until our automatic code-writing bot is done 12.15.02 # The sysfont should stay the same as it is now, on all targets 12.15.12 # why? 12.15.19 # We should rather have a different default depending on lcd size+resolution 12.15.20 Quit preglow (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.15.27 # amiconn: exactly 12.15.30 # it doesn't make sense to have the same font when we have different resolutions anyway 12.16.01 # It does make sense. The sysfont is only meant for debug stuff and severe error messages 12.16.16 # yes, but it already is different since it looks different on different LCDs 12.16.20 # linuxstb: of course, only one font would be compiled in. The sysfont could go to the traget tree. 12.16.20 # So it should stay as small as possible, also because it's built-in 12.16.23 # it is used for the boot splash 12.16.38 # not that I mind the sysfont too much 12.16.39 # boot splas? 12.16.46 # The version info display 12.16.48 # yes, the version string below the logo 12.17.21 # Ah, that 12.17.28 # and the status bar 12.17.37 # That needs to be fixed 12.17.45 # ..as well as the button bar & recording screen 12.17.48 # the status bar is really silly on the large displays 12.17.51 # amiconn: and WPS status bar. Which is my main consern and objection against a very small sysfont 12.18.05 # lurk: Re-read what I just said 12.18.08 Quit scorche` (Remote closed the connection) 12.18.31 # lurk: amiconn's point (IIUC) is that the user should never see the sysfont, so there's no point in increasing the size. 12.18.55 # * pondlife looks through many bytes of IRC log.... 12.19.02 # Yes, the user should never see the sysfont unless there's some kind of emergency 12.19.10 # sysfont = built-in but doesn't necessarily have to be the default... 12.19.30 # (like a crash, or broken installation) 12.19.34 # But then we should have multi font UI. Which we don't even in the plans 12.19.39 # * gregj *grins* and puts the evil smile on me face 12.19.48 # did you guys ever tried putting rockbox on zune :> 12.19.53 # Do we even need that version info on the splash screen? Could we take the easy solution to that one and remove it? 12.20.08 # gregj: nobody has "broken" into that yet afaik 12.20.24 # that would explain why it doesn't do very well in sales ;) 12.20.28 # linuxstb: I think we can 12.20.41 # remove sysfont week! 12.21.05 # well, not remove but remove from user's face 12.21.29 # We could ven keep that info, rendered with different fonts depending on lcd resolution, without having the large font built-in or waiting for the font to load from disk 12.21.31 # would help a lot to decrease english.lang size as well... 12.21.43 # yes, those SYSFONT languages need to go 12.21.53 # pixelma: not to mention *.voice 12.21.57 # ...by pre-rendering the info at compile time 12.22.01 # http://www.zune.net/en-US/accessories/ 12.22.01 Quit theotherpreglow ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 12.22.04 # hmm, just tried sokoban on my 5G, it can't be any bigger than that, or the tiles won't fit 12.22.13 # take a look at the middle photo,it just looks so bad... 12.22.23 Join preglow [0] (n=thomj@rockbox/developer/preglow) 12.22.30 # gregj: that is offtopic... 12.22.50 # therey 12.22.51 # * preglow out 12.22.56 # scorche: heh 12.22.59 # amiconn: That doesn't sound worth the effort... 12.23.06 # This has probably been discussed to death, but I can't find it, so here goes... What was the result of GSoC? And is Nico_P still working on MoB? 12.23.16 # And in the meanwhile (no viewports, no multi font UI) we could just make the system font depend on the target (or on the screen size, actually) 12.23.29 # pondlife: working, pretty much just WMA 12.23.54 # lurk: Not easily. Many parts that use the sysfont currently *rely* on its size 12.24.41 # So those parts would need changing... but since they need to be touched anyway, it makes no sense to keep them using the sysfont 12.24.49 # scorche: I guess he's in exam mode for much of September... 12.24.55 # amiconn: oh, didn't know that. On its absolute size? Or on the fact that everything (i.e. status bar) will fit? 12.25.20 # On its absoltute size. 12.25.48 # amiconn: i.e. is there code with e.g. x+=8 (assuming 8 is the font width)? 12.26.07 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC") 12.26.11 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 12.26.22 # amiconn: ah, then it should be part of a larger action, I see 12.26.22 # join #rockbox-community 12.26.29 # oops 12.26.42 # * pixelma hands GodEater an / 12.27.07 # But while the status bar looks reasonably good on H120, it's very small on ipod 12.27.36 # We should look at viewports before revising the status bar, surely. 12.27.45 # lurk: Lots of ipods have smaller (or the same) sized screen as the H120... 12.28.24 # linuxstb: pixel wise? 12.28.45 # Yes. The mini1g, mini2g, 1st gen, 2nd gen, 3rd gen and 4th gen. The Nano is only slightly larger. 12.29.00 # I'd love to have the same custom status bar in WPS and menus, somehow. which should come out of (1) viewports and (2) custom status bar taken from custom WPS 12.29.22 # btw. the same font can look differently on screens with the same resolution (but smaller pixel dimensions) 12.30.22 Part lurk 12.32.52 # we should update the sansa bootloaders on the download server 12.33.50 # B4gder: For the LCD fix? 12.33.55 # yes 12.34.07 # I guess that means a new sansapatcher as well, as it embeds the bootloader... 12.34.17 # true 12.34.32 # * linuxstb sees a weekend of *patcher releasing in his future 12.35.16 # B4gder: Did anyone download the linux-ppc version of ipodpatcher? 12.35.23 # I think we should release the 'verbose' hack from the 1st/2nd gen bootloader for release 12.35.25 # it looks to me, like there was linux-zune project, but has been 'behind the scenes' bribed/forced by microsoft to sease its existence. (just my opinion) 12.35.38 # hahaha... 12.36.03 # gregj: You assume that anyone there had a clue to start with... 12.36.15 # linuxstb: 3 during august from the single server I have some stats for 12.36.20 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b9b5a.ucd.ie) 12.36.28 # gregj: that whole project was pretty much a joke...no one there had a clue 12.36.38 # but it was a fun joke 12.36.38 # * linuxstb suspects MS employees enjoyed that project as much as we did 12.36.46 # man did they talk lots of funniness 12.36.57 # linuxstb: well, its been quite few months now, since they released that piece of crap device 12.37.02 # it was basically a bunch of kids sitting around saying "we need donations so we can get developers to help us" 12.37.14 Join seablue [0] (n=s@0x535c1344.banxx3.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) 12.37.14 # gregj: so dig in and make a difference! 12.37.26 # gregj: it is most likely a huge lack of people caring enough 12.37.30 # gregj: Same situation with the 2nd gen Nano (which I think has been around longer) 12.37.40 # hmm 12.38.00 # and of course care is not enough, you need a bunch of skills and patience too, possible equipment 12.38.33 # * B4gder signs up for typing school 12.38.45 # I bet even buying one 2nd/3rd nano device, and giving it to rockbox developer will not help here 12.39.07 # gregj: you'd first need to find a developer who's interested on poking on it 12.39.11 # Depends who the developer is, and how much time/effort they want to invest 12.39.27 # and one person getting one device is not a lot 12.39.36 # given a very hard problem 12.40.10 # unless MrH is the person... :-) 12.43.08 Join Embrion [0] (n=no@chello089077194022.chello.pl) 12.43.35 # hi all 12.44.43 # I haven't updated rockbox for about 6 months, now I did and nothing is working 12.44.59 # you have an ipod, right? 12.45.08 # and you didn't update the bootloader, right? 12.45.17 # and now you're gonna do that, right? 12.45.18 # I noticed that rockbox.ipod has been moved to .rockbox from root 12.45.37 # oh, I see 12.45.49 # Embrion: Just run ipodpatcher as described in the install chapter in the manual, and select "i" for install. That will update the bootloader. 12.45.57 # * B4gder pats the mind reading device on his table 12.47.19 # thx :) I'm using ipodloader, I know it's not supported here but mayby anyone know if there is an updated version as well ? 12.47.28 # *maybe 12.47.39 # Yes, any version of ipodpatcher from Jan 2007 or later should be OK. 12.47.44 # I mean ipodloader2... 12.48.29 # thx again, I'll check it out 12.48.30 # And make sure you delete the old rockbox.ipod from the root - you should only have one copy, inside .rockbox 12.48.46 # ok 12.50.21 Join DefineByte [0] (n=DefineBy@bb-87-81-195-5.ukonline.co.uk) 12.51.10 # B4gder: it is funny how you guys always say - 'but if you donate a device to developer...', and than something like that.. 12.51.13 # heh 12.51.41 # gregj: We're always happy to accept gifts of new toys 12.52.27 # gregj: well, its funny how you guys always say "haven't anyone done this device yet" etc, and than something like that.. 12.52.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.52.54 Quit ToHellWithGA (Remote closed the connection) 12.52.59 # why does 'show id3 info' in the WPS context menu show empty/nonexistent tags? 12.53.55 # to confuse users 12.54.16 # "Show ID3 info" should probably be "Show metadata" these days, or "Show tags" 12.54.36 # yeah, that would be better 12.55.00 # hmm. www.zune-linux.com is running asp.net / iis 6.0 server, I feel m$'s fingers there, truely :/ 12.55.05 # Llorean: It should have been that for about 2.5 years... 12.55.15 # but still, why not hide empty tags? 12.55.21 # I think it's good to know that tags are missing 12.55.25 # linuxstb: Yeah, but it's getting more and more "it should be" 12.55.32 # gregj: please stay on topic... 12.55.38 # pixelma: It'd be nice if it showed all tags that we index in the database or can show on the WPS 12.55.52 # it's not that they're missing though 12.56.07 # DefineByte: Depends on your definition of "Missing" 12.56.10 # What are they, then? 12.56.14 # work isn't missing from pet sounds by the beach boys 12.56.18 # it's just not needed 12.56.25 # same with comments 12.56.37 # Are they _needed_ anywhere? 12.56.47 # comments? probably not 12.56.51 # Yes, but leaving them off entirely can result in your song ending up on the list, so knowing the tag isn't there means you can fill it in with a placeholder. 12.57.09 # BTW, what is "work" meant to contain? 12.57.23 # * linuxstb is reminded he should be doing that 12.57.42 # leaving 'comments' off? 12.58.17 # working 12.58.38 Quit k-man (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.59.14 # currently 'show id3 info' (ignoring the fact that it may not be ID3) doesn't do what it claims to 12.59.50 # DefineByte: some use the comment tags, and I still want to know if a file has that tag or not, even if I don't care about that specific one. Hiding it makes me forget which tags that could be and displaying as "no info" doesn't hurt IMO 13.00.13 # if it doesn't show it, it doesn't have it obviously 13.00.53 # i don't need to see 'work: no tag data' or whatever. it not being there will tell me 'work' isn't present 13.01.28 # then make a patch that does that and be happy...why are you always starting these never-ending arguments? 13.01.31 # DefineByte: And for people who have no clue "Work" is a valid Rockbox tag? 13.01.58 # i'd imagine a list of valid tags should be in the manual 13.02.02 # Seriously, what benefit is there in hiding information that may be useful to users if it's going to actually mean additional code to do so? 13.02.04 # yeah... but do you always know which tags are supported and then count or see at first glance which one isn't there - I couldn't see easily then if there really is a tag missing that I usually want to have 13.02.17 # and i do plan on writing a patch so don't worry. 8) 13.02.41 # it'd not like you can add them from within rockbox anyway 13.03.52 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 13.04.05 # i just wanted to know if there was a good reason for it before i wrote a patch and it seems not. thanks 13.04.22 # I really don't think having to compare the ID3 viewer with an external written list is the most user friendly solution. 13.04.30 # DefineByte: If you write a patch, it seems pretty clear it'll get rejected... 13.04.33 # DefineByte: The reason seems to be that everyone apart from you likes to see empty tags... 13.05.04 # weird :) 13.05.24 # nah, i think you just like the status quo :) 13.05.48 # Who created the status quo? 13.06.21 # But if you read today's logs, you'll see lots of things no-one is happy with and want to see improved... 13.06.35 # Areas where time can be spent to the benefit of all. 13.06.49 # hey, i have plaenty of time 13.07.00 # Good, there's plenty of work to be done. 13.07.16 # if no-one wants it though i may as well not prioritise it 13.07.34 # if writing a patch makes you happy, then why wouldnt you do it? 13.07.40 # DefineByte: _you_ want it, and that's what open source is about. Do what interests you. 13.08.00 # it's hardly a big deal. it would be nice but that's all 13.09.46 # is there anywhere else that would be a viable place to show supported tags wfrom within rockbox? 13.10.01 # else i may just make it a bool 13.10.27 # You mean show a list of the tags Rockbox understands, or the values of those tags in a particular file? 13.11.04 # the former 13.11.20 # since it seems important to people 13.11.30 # Wouldn't that just make the situation worse, having to switch between a file and a separate list to compare? 13.11.57 # DefineByte: Rockbox doesn't have any "online help", and that would seem to be in that category of info. 13.12.27 # maybe i could make a rockbox help plugin 13.12.34 # might be interestng 13.12.39 # It seems adding code to dynamically hide empty tags, then adding more code to show a list of tags somewhere that you then have to remember while going to check the file is a way of making the same feature more complicated. 13.13.16 # DefineByte: It would be. The problem IMO is how to call it. Ideally we would want a global keypress to bring up context-sensitive help, but there are not enough buttons for that. 13.13.31 # you can't tag in rockbox so knowing while in rockbox seems a bit pointless to me anyway 13.13.41 # Then code a tag editor... 13.13.43 # but still, a plugin for help would be cool 13.13.48 # DefineByte: Can't tag in Rockbox yet. 13.13.58 # well, yeah. that's true 13.14.08 # It's a common feature request, and pretty much the only reason there's not a plugin to do it is that nobody interested in the feature has done it. 13.14.21 # Well, I think there's a strictly ID3 tag editor, actually. 13.14.25 # Plus it would need to deal with every tag format Rockbox supports.... 13.14.27 # * Llorean seems to recall seeing one of those. 13.14.42 # there was a tag editor patch in the tracker... probably mp3 only and outdated 13.15.04 # linuxstb: Which could be handled by making the ID3 viewer accept input when you click on a field. 13.15.22 # Since that's already handling all the tag formats Rockbox supports. 13.15.39 # it would depend on wether the tag editor was built-in or a plugin whether 'show id3 info' should show empty tags 13.16.06 # if you could edit tags by slecting them from within 'show id3' then obviously all should be shown 13.16.11 # DefineByte: Considering it would add more code either way for it to hide tags, I don't see any point in having it do so. 13.16.21 # else they'd only need to be visible from within the plugin 13.16.38 # Show ID3 is still quicker to get to, and would just let you know you need to run the plugin (if you want to fix those tags) 13.17.07 # fair enough :) 13.17.13 # i'd still like it though :D 13.17.33 # Llorean: Writing tags means considerably more effort than reading 13.17.33 Quit linuxstb ("Leaving") 13.17.52 # It might even invole making a temporary copy of the whole file 13.18.45 # amiconn: I didn't mean to suggest it was by any means easy, only that there's already a part of the code that obviously handles all the known tag formats. 13.18.54 # In a read-only manner, of course 13.19.37 # so what's preferable: 'show metadata'; ;show metadata info'; 'show tags'; 'show tag info' (or something else)? 13.19.53 # I'd go with "Show Metadata" 13.20.03 # Since at least the filename (which I believe it shows) isn't technically a tag. 13.20.15 # There may be a few other non-tag bits of info in there (Song length?) 13.21.16 # path is there 13.21.35 # as is playlist position 13.21.45 # so yeah, tags obviously wouldn't be accurate 13.25.02 # if i was to right a 'help' plugin could the manual be made available in XML? 13.25.07 # write/ 13.26.25 # I don't understand what you are asking... 13.27.06 # as in could rockbox provide an XML version of the manual for people to put on there DAPs. 13.27.26 # their/ 13.28.33 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC") 13.28.50 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 13.29.47 # ah well, forget it. :) 13.30.39 Quit RaRe ("Quit msgs should be longer.") 13.33.19 # DefineByte: the manual is in Tex format within source control - could you do something with that? 13.33.39 # DefineByte: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/manual/?pathrev=14630 13.33.44 # oo, i forgot about that 13.34.00 # it is also available in HTML 13.34.17 # is there an html viewer plugin? 13.34.32 # there's work on one in a patch I believe 13.34.42 # hmm 13.34.54 # sound's like an 'easy' way to display the manual :) 13.35.05 # yeah x) 13.36.14 # Esy? 13.36.24 # can you call plugins with arguments? i was thinking you could have a help button on every context menu that went to the relevant section 13.36.28 # relative ;) 13.36.33 # DefineByte: Yes. 13.36.40 # Will you write an XML parser that fits into 32KB of RAM and handles chunked loading? 13.36.41 # once it's done 8) 13.37.45 # c250 is really ideal for rockboxing. the OF works pretty much exactly like rockbox, regaring navigation in menus and options. 13.38.03 # hi again, unfortunately I still can't make updated rockbox work :( 13.38.13 # used this http://www.ipodlinux.org/Loader_2 13.38.23 # unfortunately it too uses a silly dock connector, like e200 13.38.27 # fw 1.1.1 so used nano not 5g as a model 13.38.34 # Embrion: follow the directions as said in the manual, and come back to us 13.39.38 # Embrion: Which ipod do you have, and exactly what symptoms are you experiencing? 13.39.43 Join Flyoc [0] (n=flyin_do@marmite.ath.cx) 13.39.57 # hello there 13.40.20 # sakut 13.40.20 # linuxstb: Nano 1gen 13.40.26 # salut/ 13.40.36 # rockbox is booting 13.40.38 # so last time I checked, you could set a wallpaper on a Cowon with the contextual menu on a picture 13.41.02 # but now it doesnt work, and my search on the forums give nothing :( 13.41.03 # and when I open any mp3 file 13.41.33 # Flyoc: you still can if it's a bmp with the same resolution as your display 13.41.36 # Embrion: Please type complete sentences on a single line... 13.41.36 # I got: undefinied instruction at 00ACD0E0" 13.41.50 # linuxstb: ok, sorry 13.41.57 Quit CaptainSquid (Remote closed the connection) 13.42.30 # I even done reset configuration in order to be sure everything is clean 13.42.52 # Embrion: I think there are two possible causes: 1) You're running an out of date bootloader as we suggested earlier; 2) You've hit a bug in Rockbox that causes issues on a small proportion of Nanos. 13.43.18 # You should install the Rockbox bootloader and confirm you still get the problem. 13.43.41 Join RaRe [0] (n=Laffin_B@202-89-187-101.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) 13.43.44 # linuxstb: that's not the only error, I managed to open other mp3 and I got "codec error" in the blink of eye 13.44.09 # Embrion: It's hard for us to diagnose if you're not using the latest official Rockbox bootloader... 13.44.17 # Embrion: sounds like a bootloader problem to me 13.44.37 # linuxstb: yeah, I know and I'll use latest official bootloader right away 13.45.22 # did you remove the rockbox.ipod that's outside the .rockbox directory? 13.45.36 # pixelma: sure thing 13.47.24 # ipodpatcher will uninstall old bootloader if used with 'u' right? I done it and it doesn't see any modified bootloader any more so I guess so 13.47.59 # Embrion: Yes, but that wasn't necessary. "i" will replace any existing bootloader 13.48.18 # hmm. /rockbox/c200/apps/settings_list.o:(.data+0x14): undefined reference to `__compound_literal.4' 13.48.33 # is it not supposed to build yet? 13.48.54 # Zagor: I think perhaps lowlist has some local patches left to commit 13.49.00 Part DefineByte 13.49.01 # Which arm-elf-gcc do you have? 13.49.28 # 4.0.2 13.49.30 # indeed...it does sound like the incorrect arm-elf-gcc errors... 13.49.39 # aha, which version is needed? 13.49.46 # I think everyone is using 4.0.3 13.49.51 # yup 13.49.55 # ...except the build server :) 13.50.04 # (that's where I run this) 13.50.11 # which build server? 13.50.21 # giant 13.50.37 # oh, well then you can update that while you're at it ;-) 13.50.42 # :) 13.51.14 # it should be able to run rockboxdev.sh in no time 13.51.35 # yup 13.51.40 # Done yet? 13.51.45 # haha 13.55.36 # pixelma: this changes my backdrop, not my wallpaper 13.55.42 # as in WPS wallpaper 13.56.02 # you have to do that in your wps code 13.56.02 # would anyone mind if I changed rockboxdev.sh to use /tmp instead of $HOME? it is nearly always ran as root, and you really don't want to put a lot of stuff in roots homedir 13.56.57 # pixelma: are you sure about that ? idnt there an option in the picture viewer ? 13.56.58 # Flyoc: and you could never do that through the context menu, that's why I thought you meant backdrop 13.58.04 # Zagor: works for me 13.58.26 Quit miepchen^schlaf ("Verlassend") 13.58.37 # well I installed official bootrloader and this is how it looks: one mp3 - player hangs, other mp3 - "no codec" then "codec failure" blinks 13.59.04 # hoh did you install the .rockbox folder? 13.59.11 # how 14.00.28 # like every time, I run oroginal apple firmware (as it's faster than disk mode) and copy unzipped .rockbox to players root using total commander 14.00.37 # *original 14.00.54 # also additional fonts 14.01.24 # other things in root are ipods stuff and my music folder 14.06.04 # currently I'll leave only one mp3 in the root and check it again 14.07.30 # is there a "codec" folder in you .rockbox directory? Also the official instructions advice you to unzip the build directly to the root not unzip it somewhere else and then copying it over 14.08.56 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@athedsl-182850.home.otenet.gr) 14.08.57 # pixelma: well actually I made a theme ! 14.09.02 # thanks for your help 14.09.09 Part Flyoc ("cya") 14.12.56 Part pixelma 14.14.15 Join parafin|away [0] (i=parafin@parafin.dialup.corbina.ru) 14.25.11 # Rockbox problem still exists, made scan and chkdsk and there's nothing wrond with flash, also checked mpc as well with same result ("codec failure" "no codec"). I was scrolling my wheele in order to prevent it from hanging and after a while it displayed: "prefetch abort at [addres goes here]" 14.25.34 Quit parafin (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14.26.13 # I guess I'll have to look for latest working version in my case 14.26.21 Join Agm3nt [0] (i=nat-107@nat.n3t.pl) 14.32.23 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-208-127.student.uu.se) 14.37.28 Join einhirn [0] (n=Miranda@p5B031730.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.38.20 # Hiho 14.41.57 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 14.42.18 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-5321be88cca7d618) 14.44.29 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 14.44.59 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@e176239170.adsl.alicedsl.de) 14.52.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.57.04 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@38.98.196.75) 15.00.30 Join nicktastic [0] (n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic) 15.03.04 # Ah, the first ipod classic dissection photo - http://www.ifixit.com/Parts/stream/4/large/9-1.jpg 15.03.33 # i wish they were clearer... 15.03.39 # and closer 15.03.50 # but a good start 15.03.51 # and showed portalplayer... 15.03.56 # hehe 15.04.19 # did you compare those big chips with the nano 2nd gen pics? 15.04.23 # keep wishing... 15.04.35 Join RudMan [0] (n=RudMan@167.206.188.130) 15.05.08 # And it's a Toshiba drive - http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iPod/iPod-Classic 15.06.00 Join Mikachu [0] (i=Mikachu@kr-lun-154-152-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com) 15.06.08 # Zagor: might i suggest `mktemp -d /tmp/rbdev.XXXXXX` ? 15.06.28 # or maybe even use $TMPDIR 15.06.31 # http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iPod/iPod-Nano-3rd-Generation 15.06.39 # that's the pics of the nano 15.07.01 # Mikachu: it actually make sense to use a fixed name for the temp dir 15.07.11 # to easier go back when it breaks etc 15.07.18 # i guess 15.07.20 # aye: http://www.ifixit.com/Parts/stream/3/large/13-1.jpg 15.07.21 # at least I've done so in the past 15.07.37 # ${TMPDIR:-/tmp}/rbdev then? :) 15.07.49 # yeah, that works 15.08.27 # 32 MB ram in the nano 15.08.32 # 3rd gen 15.10.01 # So with the CE-ATA interface, no Rockbox targets will take those Toshiba drives... 15.15.18 # hi again, I've found a reason of my Rockbox problems 15.15.54 # Which was? 15.15.58 # unfortunately it is Rockbox version build 15.16.13 # 20070602 works fine 15.16.26 # OK, then you've hit 2) in my list of possible causes. 15.16.31 # I had to manually edit download link to reach it 15.16.49 # now I'll try to find the most recent ver which still works 15.16.50 # it "shouldn't" even be available... 15.17.02 # * linuxstb was also wondering that... 15.17.14 # clearly a mirror not using --delete, as suggested 15.17.54 # but You see, it helped me ;) 15.18.59 # If you search for "nano 1.3.1" in the bug tracker, you'll find a discussion of this problem, and probably the date the problem first appeared. 15.19.02 # I'm just saying you are lucky 15.19.22 # so please wait with deleting because I'm looking for most recent which will be one of those that shoul not exist 15.19.27 # r13990 seems to be the last working version according to the forum 15.19.36 # Embrion: I deleted that file 2 months ago 15.19.52 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@hdp186.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 15.19.52 # Embrion: and the download servers are assumed to do so as well 15.19.56 # B4dger: so I'm lucky 15.19.56 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@56.49.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 15.20.14 # we only keep about one month backlog 15.20.28 # iirc long ago i tried upping the frequency to 78 from 75 mhz, and my nano only operated properly in the refridgerator 15.20.30 # LinusN: thx, I'll give it a try first 15.20.50 # i would not recommend it 15.20.54 # Embrion: try july 25, 26 and then july 27 15.21.07 # LinusN: ok, thx 15.21.45 # Mikachu: Well, Rockbox runs at 80MHz on most Nanos now without problems. 15.22.07 # it didn't on mine, and it was quite reproducible when i took it in and out of the fridge 15.22.10 # (and all other ipods without problems afaik) 15.22.21 # Mikachu: Other things have been changed, not just the cpu speed I think. 15.22.31 # i'd say that "most nanos" is not good enough 15.22.38 # LinusN: Of course. 15.23.07 # linuxstb: i only changed the clock speed that time 15.23.30 # LinusN: Do you think the change that caused the problems to appear should be reverted? 15.24.22 # i dunno, the fix was supposed to increase stability... 15.24.26 # Mikachu: BTW, hi! 15.24.30 # hello again :) 15.24.49 # Some user in the ML offered to send a nano with those problems to an interested dev 15.24.59 # dev-ML 15.25.05 # "Stop the occasional crashes (most often 'undefined instruction') on PP5020 (and PP5022?) targets." 15.25.27 # Love the new ML links on the frontpage btw 15.30.37 # ok, I checked those 3 versions 15.30.54 # 25, 26 july are working and 27 isn't 15.33.41 # "no codec" "codec failure" 15.34.40 # also some times it hangs player and some times not 15.35.01 # and ends with "undefined instruction at ..." 15.36.21 # Yes, the symptoms are familiar... 15.36.42 # oh, another nice thing: after those things, checkdisk (chkdsk in XP) reports errors 15.37.02 # wow 15.38.38 # somehow i managed to delete .rockbox and no errore reported anymore but earlier I had to fix them before I was able to delete .rockbox and one time even fixing wasn't helping 15.38.49 # Embrion: The problem is suspected to be the ATA timings - so that could cause both read and write errors... 15.38.53 # (= format ipod partition) 15.39.57 # linuxstb: but how did this bug managed to exist so long? 15.40.19 # None of the Nanos owned by the developers exhibit the issue. 15.40.41 # But I agree, it's not a nice bug to have... 15.40.57 # I just checked my nano (which was last built on 20070707) and it has the playback bug too 15.41.19 # so probably it is particular piecec of hardware revision 15.41.41 # it doesn't even seem to be that, afaiu 15.42.03 Quit barrywardell () 15.42.28 # so what can it be ? 15.42.31 # as people have been comparing that as well 15.42.47 # I don't think the common denominator has been established 15.43.31 # but I'm not following this issue closely so I might've missed something 15.43.40 # was the 'bad' code part located? 15.43.55 Quit thegeek (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.43.55 Join thegeek_ [0] (n=nnscript@s189a.studby.ntnu.no) 15.45.56 # Embrion: The commit that introduced the issue has been identified. And I don't know the answer to your follow-up question. 15.47.01 # linuxstb: couldn't that piece of code jsut be reverted to original version? 15.47.42 # Embrion: yes, but that piece of code cured a bunch of other equally nasty issues 15.48.02 # have you tried reverting only the freq bump? 15.48.49 # LinusN: I can't recall any issues on the Nano which that fixed. It was mainly the PP5020 which benefited - fixing another long-standing bug. 15.49.31 # maybe that part of code is only causing my bug when other particular part of code exists 15.49.32 # which PP model is in the nano? 15.49.53 # you know, the must exist together 15.49.55 # http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/target/arm/system-pp502x.c?r1=13990&r2=13991 15.50.17 # thx 15.50.23 # LinusN: The label says 5021, but it's a revision of the 5022 according to the chip id readable by software. 15.50.24 # that's a rather small diff 15.51.04 # amiconn should be able to tell what the fix was supposed to do 15.51.37 # I wonder what the c200 chip id says 15.51.53 # it could be the same as the nano 15.52.08 # Isn't it the same as the e200? 15.52.09 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@e178123205.adsl.alicedsl.de) 15.52.11 # no 15.52.17 # Hello 15.52.20 # it uses an external AS3514 even 15.52.58 # Interesting. I thought low_light said he only changed a few things like the button and lcd drivers. I admit I didn't look at his commit though. 15.53.33 # I'm pretty sure it's shown in the debug menu somewhere. 15.55.16 Quit thegeek_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.57.24 # Bagder: you mean Hardware info in c200? 15.57.31 # yes 15.58.11 # it seems it has the same nand interface then as the e200 but it isn't marked as a PP5024 and it doesn't make sense to have the ams chip external if you have a 5024 15.58.17 Join webguest95 [0] (i=46b9a6eb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c96304077d5795fb) 15.58.28 # noob needs help.... 15.58.36 # Agm3nt: Do you have a c200 (with Rockbox) ? 15.58.56 # B4gder: PP version: PP5022C Est. clock (khz): 3067 15.59.02 # webguest95: Explain your problem... 15.59.08 # Agm3nt: thanks 15.59.28 # linuxstb: yes 15.59.28 Nick webguest95 is now known as LDOG (i=46b9a6eb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c96304077d5795fb) 16.00.09 # have the 60gb video... installed rockbox, have a couple movies on my pod and the video icon doesn't show up to play my flicks 16.00.33 # Rockbox doesn't play the same format videos that the Apple firmware plays 16.00.57 # Please read at least the Introduction on this page - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer 16.02.06 Quit B4gder ("It is time to say MOOO") 16.02.15 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@207.72.175.78) 16.02.25 Join kugel_ [0] (n=kugel@e178096115.adsl.alicedsl.de) 16.02.41 Join Falen [0] (n=chatzill@81-237-250-190-no147.tbcn.telia.com) 16.05.15 Quit LDOG ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 16.06.45 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 16.08.05 Part LinusN 16.10.54 # Anybody here to help me with a C question? 16.11.29 Join thegeek [0] (n=nnscript@s189a.studby.ntnu.no) 16.11.55 # As long as it's not too far off-topic for #rockbox... 16.18.04 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC") 16.18.08 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-9a173072e3f08509) 16.18.11 Quit GodEater (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.18.18 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 16.18.30 Quit GodEater (Client Quit) 16.18.53 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 16.19.44 Quit kugel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.25.31 Part Domonoky 16.25.36 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF7470.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.27.17 Quit RaRe ("Quit msgs should be longer.") 16.27.52 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.33.17 Quit The-Compiler (Remote closed the connection) 16.33.31 Join RaRe [0] (n=Laffin_B@202-89-187-101.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) 16.36.46 Quit nnakijdki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.40.09 Quit sasukee (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.42.45 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-069-134-102-044.nc.res.rr.com) 16.44.44 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 16.47.31 Join thegeek_ [0] (n=nnscript@s189a.studby.ntnu.no) 16.47.33 Quit Falen ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518]") 16.47.48 # linuxstb: The fix mentioned earlier by LinusN increases stability on PP502x targets which use the PP's colour lcd bridge and clock it from pll for best performance. 16.48.17 # That's ipod color, and (after I've discovered with your help what these bits do) H10, and *probably* ipod nano 16.49.26 # Mikachu: Earlier tests of clocks > 75MHz don't tell anything 'cause before my fixes, we didn't run the PP5022 pll properly (unlike PP502) 16.49.38 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 16.49.41 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp56-121.adsl.forthnet.gr) 16.50.00 Quit petur ("connection reset by chimay and leffe") 16.50.09 # amiconn: so why not the video? 16.50.20 # The video doesn't use that bridge 16.50.33 # because of the broadcom ? 16.50.37 # The broadcom chip is hooked up differently 16.52.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.52.43 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 16.53.37 Join _jz [0] (n=jz@ns1.april.org) 16.53.41 # <_jz> hallo ! 16.53.46 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@252.29.internet.uqam.ca) 16.53.47 # <_jz> i talked about it a few days earlier 16.53.57 # <_jz> and i've been replied "if you want it, do it yourself" in substance... ;) 16.54.11 # amiconn: What would you need me to do re: the LCD? 16.54.13 # <_jz> but I got here sourcecode of a very fine ncurses BPM detection software 16.54.42 # <_jz> that could inspire a killer BPM detection plugin (the one in the metronome is very approximative and hardly accessible) 16.54.56 # _jz: Main issue will be if it's heavily reliant on floating-point math. If so, it won't be straightforward to port. 16.55.03 # <_jz> coupled with wrriting of the BPM in the id3tag it would be my 100% plugin usage during idle time in public transports :) 16.55.11 # <_jz> ha good point 16.55.27 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b9b5a.ucd.ie) 16.56.13 # <_jz> bpm = (float)count * 60.0 * CLK_TCK / (float)(tcurr - tstart); 16.56.25 # I assume it's GPL'd (or a compatible license)? 16.56.44 # <_jz> well it's not, but i guess you could possibly contact the author 16.56.48 # <_jz> i might do it if you're interested 16.57.08 # <_jz> i'm better at talking of legal aspects and communicating than coding :) 16.57.49 # Do you have a link to the source? 16.57.59 # <_jz> the sourcecode was posted on the mixxx mailinglist, as an example of good BPM algorithm 16.58.04 # <_jz> i can put it online in one second 16.58.19 # There's no archive online for that list? 16.58.54 # <_jz> possiblymaybe 16.58.58 # <_jz> mixxx.sf.net 16.59.17 # <_jz> http://tofz.org/bpm.c for now 16.59.56 # <_jz> i talked to a few people into music/DJing of tapping BPM to fill id3 infos of your tracks while idle in the metro or the train, and all of them were enthusiastic about it =) 16.59.58 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 17.00.10 # linuxstb: Nothing. I only said that you helped me understand what the 2 top bits in 0x600060a0 do back then 17.00.16 # Hmm, "This program can be distributed, if it's not modified in any kind." isn't very helpful... 17.00.21 # (by doing some tests on your ipod color) 17.00.27 # amiconn: Sorry, I misread. 17.00.36 # <_jz> linuxstb: yes that's why i'm proposing to contact the guy 17.02.30 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 17.04.14 Part Agm3nt 17.04.23 # <_jz> i just sent him an email 17.05.01 Quit thegeek (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.05.40 # <_jz> linuxstb: what do you think of the sourcecode ? you think an adaptation would be easy ? 17.06.00 # <_jz> what about writing in the tags (with the "record" button of the sensa would be perfect =~~)) ? 17.06.36 # * GodEater tries to work out why you'd code a BPM counter in floats anyway 17.06.45 # surely you can't have a partial beat 17.06.51 Join pepie34 [0] (n=pepie34@cop60-1-82-240-26-92.fbx.proxad.net) 17.07.15 # linuxstb: This fix *might* cause the nano problems, but it's rather unlikely. Would also need experimentation on a nano to rule that out 17.07.28 # (and maybe also speed up lcd update on nano) 17.07.29 # _jz: I think I misunderstood what you meant by BPM counter.... You just want to count the number of times you tap a button, and turn that into a BPM measure? 17.07.46 # <_jz> yep 17.08.07 # <_jz> thumb BPM detection, but more accurate than what does the metronome, with reset, and fine averaging (and record to id3) 17.08.08 # _jz: Then you don't really need any existing source for that, and floats won't be an issue... 17.08.26 # <_jz> i'm not really a coder, you know :) 17.08.33 Quit Embrion () 17.08.42 # 99% of that code is just the UI ;) 17.09.10 # I'd rather have something which worked out the BPM from the music on it's own 17.09.38 # GodEater: That's what I assumed the program would be doing... 17.09.39 # GodEater: Can you do make that work on hwcodec? 17.09.55 # <_jz> GodEater: automatic BPM detection is often flaky 17.09.55 # * GodEater looks blank as possible 17.10.10 # <_jz> and when you're listening to music idle in the transports you usually have a free thumb :) 17.10.47 # speak for yourself 17.11.07 # <_jz> that's what i am doing 17.11.18 # <_jz> i should have said _I_ usually have a free thumb, sorry ;) 17.12.21 # _jz: yo can actually tap in a beat in the metronome plugin already so I guess coding what you want, you could re-use a lot of stuff 17.12.28 # s/yo/you 17.13.26 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC") 17.13.29 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 17.14.34 Quit My_Sic (Connection timed out) 17.14.39 # yeah, rather than do a whole new plugin, why not fix what you perceive is wrong with the feature in the metronome 17.15.08 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 17.15.17 # <_jz> n1s: the averaging is bad in the metronome, and you can't reset the counter 17.15.27 # so fix it 17.15.34 # <_jz> GodEater: I'm not a coder 17.15.50 # learn 17.16.05 # <_jz> i know how to code 17.16.11 # <_jz> i used to code a little 17.16.23 # <_jz> but usually people around me are much more talented at this than i am 17.16.45 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 17.16.56 # <_jz> as i know some other things (like project management, legal aspects, a bit of communication) that can sometimes be useful for software projects :) 17.17.06 # <_jz> well that's for the ... 17.17.10 # the people "around" you here, are busy with their own things 17.17.22 Quit Pyromancer (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.17.50 # <_jz> sorry for taking some of your time 17.17.55 # http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iPod/iPod-Classic <-- dismantled pics 17.18.06 # <_jz> we're a network of interconnected busy people :) 17.18.11 Join Pyromancer [0] (n=pyromanc@c-24-63-23-50.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 17.18.36 # pretty dire quality in the pics though 17.19.05 # Enough to confirm it's not PP though. 17.19.34 # yep 17.21.31 Join agm3nt [0] (i=nat-107@nat.n3t.pl) 17.21.41 # http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iPod/iPod-Nano-3rd-Generation <-- better pics 17.21.55 # definitely samsung 17.22.42 # heh - that's the flash chip 17.22.49 # <--- dumbass 17.23.20 # lol 17.23.47 # on the other side, there is a chip at top middle, the logo on it is familiar 17.24.16 Part _jz 17.25.18 # anyway, i think i noticed an issue with bookmark saving in rockbox 17.25.49 # when i save a bookmark, it takes a few seconds, then notifies me the bookmark is saved, and then after it says it's saved, i see the drive activity indicator 17.25.57 # is it actually telling me it's saved before it's saved? 17.26.27 # single platter 80GB drive in the new classic. 17.26.39 # Good news for a lot of people wanting to upgrade other players :) 17.26.54 # GodEater: I'd guess the big square chip with an apple on it and the text "ARM" is the cpu 17.27.15 # GodEater: if you can provide the right adapters, then maybe 17.27.16 # providing they have ZIF connectors of course... 17.27.30 # GodEater: those drives use a CE-ATA connector which is incompatible with any current rockbox targets AFAIK 17.27.30 # n1s: I'd guess you're right 17.27.43 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 17.28.00 Quit thegeek_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.28.34 Join thegeek [0] (n=nnscript@s189a.studby.ntnu.no) 17.28.36 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@bas3-montreal28-1177918709.dsl.bell.ca) 17.28.46 # GodEater, n1s: Unlike reported yesterday, the connector looks like ZIF, not CE-ATA 17.29.31 # GodEater: i suspected the single platter 80gb drive already, i'm hoping places like ifixit carry it 17.30.02 # amiconn: hmm, and ZIF<->ATA is possible with an afdapter, right? 17.30.06 # n1s: i read somewhere that the 80 gb drive is PATA and the 160 gb drive is CE-ATA 17.30.18 # yes 17.30.33 # Nimdae: IMO it would not make sense to use different connectors for them... 17.30.43 # Couting pins, it definitely is ZIF 17.30.55 # ZIF is 40-pin, CE-ATA is either 12 or 18 pin 17.30.59 # sense for apple, more hw differences etc.. 17.31.14 # CE-ATA is essentially ATA via MMC protocol 17.31.40 Join low_light [0] (i=c730180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b581dcc8b1c1ab7f) 17.31.40 # amiconn: nice, those drives will probably be pricey though 17.31.41 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 17.32.01 # so are apple making their own chips now ? 17.32.34 # Nico_P: most likely custom samsung chips with apple branding 17.33.03 # low_light: my fault, .rockbox/firmware.mi4 was 0 size 17.33.08 Join mnakinnoe [0] (i=0@86.122.116.44) 17.33.11 # yeah, that sounds more plausible :) 17.33.11 # low_light: thanks for help 17.34.13 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.35.22 # amiconn: regarding exception vectors...that's the first thing the c200 bootloader does: http://rafb.net/p/VN0efD77.html 17.36.17 # but only saw that in the c200 (pp5022) not the mrobe (pp5020) 17.37.05 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@bas3-montreal28-1177918709.dsl.bell.ca) 17.37.27 # agm3nt: glad it's working. please report problems, particularly in the button handling. I know the keymap is not ideal yet. 17.38.00 # I'm going to try to enable a sim build for the c200 so people can work out button handling & fix plugins 17.38.16 # low_light: So it puts the vectors into the start of sdram instead of remapping the sdram to 0x0 17.38.29 # Looks very straightforward... 17.38.47 # Would there be an advantage to remapping SDRAM closer to IRAM? 17.38.55 # I mean adjacent... 17.39.28 Quit low_light ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.39.28 # low_light: I don't think fixing problems will be difficult. It requires new graphics due to the odd resolution though, so it's lot of work, but mostly straightforward 17.39.52 # linuxstb: Not really. 17.40.06 Join low_light [0] (i=c730180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-47da1543f6024a00) 17.40.15 # (unless you can manage to get all sdram code within +/- 32MB range of iram code 17.41.23 # _if_ we could remap it to be directly after IRAM, and moved the plugin/codec buffers to the start of SDRAM (as proposed), it would work... 17.42.25 # I doubt that you can map the sdram to a start address which is not a multiple of its size 17.43.00 # It could work though if we move everything to the end of dram, and map it before iram 17.43.28 # But the rockbox binary size is variable, so I can't see that working. 17.43.36 # But then the remap code needs to be aware of sdram size 17.45.19 # low_light: yes it's not ideal, I have problem in Background Colour menu and Time & Date 17.45.24 Quit low_light ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.45.33 # would someone mind giving me write access on the wiki? my wikiname is JoshDrizin 17.46.29 Join low_light [0] (i=c730180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0799369cb00cde46) 17.46.37 # low_light: also when I'm in resume playback and play audio I have pause working 17.47.13 Quit low_light (Client Quit) 17.48.18 Join low_light [0] (i=c730180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-3a81714a5825d7cc) 17.48.37 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC") 17.48.38 # I have a feeling I'm not going to be around long :/ 17.48.43 # * linuxstb hands low_light an internet connection 17.48.49 Join nearn [0] (n=burn@ip65-44-116-168.z116-44-65.customer.algx.net) 17.49.11 Join GodEater [0] (n=bryan@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 17.49.24 # could someone with svn access please review the second patch in fs7704 and maybe commit it please? 17.49.25 # work firewall :/ 17.49.52 # yay 17.50.00 # home broadband is "fixed" 17.50.03 # krazykit: start editing 17.50.08 # although by fixed they mean "capped at 1Mb/s" 17.50.16 # until I can get home and shout at them 17.50.48 # amiconn: when the c200 OF starts it does this...http://rafb.net/p/yOsXx247.html...but haven't seen where it re-enable those exception vectors 17.52.00 # The familiar ram remapping. All PP502x firmware seem to do the same 17.52.16 # agm3nt: yeah, I also found that the buttons weren't handled well on those screens. 17.53.47 # There's still some work to do on the buttons...proper init and enabling interrupts 17.55.24 # amiconn: aha, okay 17.56.11 # I want to get dual boot working in some way because otherwise it's a pain to update the c200 in it's current state 17.56.14 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 17.56.18 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp56-121.adsl.forthnet.gr) 17.56.45 Quit low_light ("CGI:IRC") 17.58.22 Quit Jangari ("There's no wrong way to eat a Hoss") 17.58.23 Quit atsea- (Remote closed the connection) 17.59.01 Join Soap_ [0] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 17.59.35 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@207.72.175.78) 17.59.45 Quit Soap (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.00.44 Quit My_Sic (Connection reset by peer) 18.00.58 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@bas3-montreal28-1177918709.dsl.bell.ca) 18.10.49 Quit barrywardell (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.12.05 Join atsea- [0] (i=atsea-@gateway/tor/x-bf3df985dd910fdc) 18.12.19 Join jhulst_ [0] (n=jhulst@207.72.175.78) 18.12.19 Quit jhulst (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.16.22 # pixelma, thanks :D 18.18.38 # oh, updating the plugins page is gonna be a pain 18.19.37 # you mean PluginIndex? 18.20.09 # yes. 18.20.15 # krazykit: View the "raw text" of that page... 18.20.24 # yeah, i did 18.20.40 # if you want to update the table you don't do it there, you need to add the checkmarks at the end of the subpages 18.20.51 # yes, that's why it's a pain ;) 18.21.24 # though it makes sense to do it that way, i suppose. 18.21.36 # have fun ;) *remembers to having done that for the M5 myself* 18.21.56 Nick jhulst_ is now known as jhulst (n=jhulst@207.72.175.78) 18.21.56 # without "to" 18.23.00 Quit agm3nt () 18.23.10 # Nico_P: Any new (since mid-Aug) playback code I should be looking at? 18.23.22 Quit thegeek (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18.23.34 # pondlife: nothing more recent than what's on the public git repos 18.23.58 # pondlife: I've been working on some resits... I learned today that I passed them :) 18.24.07 # Congratulations 18.24.08 # ! 18.24.12 # Why aren't you in the pub? 18.24.20 # Maybe he is? 18.24.27 # I hope not... 18.25.03 # I'm not in the pub, no 18.25.17 # I have some celebration planned though :) 18.25.22 # But yes, congratulations. :) 18.25.33 # thanks :) Now I'll have time for MoB 18.25.56 # Great 18.33.41 # so editing the pages for the plugins to add a new target, would that be a minor change? it's not really changing the body of the text 18.36.22 # preglow: I've seen that offer (also in my irc backlog), but he's in the us... 18.37.49 Join thegeek [0] (n=nnscript@s189a.studby.ntnu.no) 18.38.09 # amiconn: I'm sure the Rockbox fund could pay the postage. 18.38.18 Join thegeek_ [0] (n=nnscript@s189a.studby.ntnu.no) 18.38.22 Quit thegeek (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.38.30 # postage isn't the problem 18.38.37 # * amiconn is afraid of customs issues 18.39.08 # Really? It's a gift, isn't it? 18.39.19 # n1s: Afaik 'codepages' is needed for all targets... 18.39.38 # Then you "give" it back later. No money changes hands. 18.39.49 # Ah, mn, it's just duplicate cleanup 18.41.01 # amiconn: btw I have a change to configure that turns off the "initialized field overwritten" warning for gcc >= 4.2 do you think it's a good idea to commit? 18.41.25 Join GodEater_ [0] (n=bryan@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 18.42.00 # n1s: This warning makes *some* sense, because it would show an unintended douplicate initialisation 18.42.37 # Maybe the gcc manual tells how to suppress this warning when the duplication is intended 18.44.20 # I'm not sure exactly what the gcc manual means but this is what it says "Warn if an initialized field without side effects is overridden when using designated initializers" it's for the -Woverride-init option which is included in -W 18.44.32 # I simply added -Wno-override-init 18.45.16 Quit jhulst (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.46.51 # pixelma, when you added targets to the plugins page, is there anything special to do to the PluginIndex to make it update? 18.48.46 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 18.50.36 # Hmm, seems that you can't specify the duplication is intended. So do we want to disable this warning completely? 18.52.05 # krazykit: no, if you don't see it yourself in the PluginIndex first , press "refresh cash" - I can see your edits by the way 18.52.31 # ehh... cashe... ;) 18.52.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.52.59 # damn 18.53.34 # amiconn: IMHO it's not nice to have 50-odd warnings popping up semi-randomly as it might hide other warnings 18.54.24 Join thegeek [0] (n=nnscript@s189a.studby.ntnu.no) 18.58.06 # ah, ok. just wanted to make sure i was doing it right the first time around. 18.58.20 Part Mikachu 18.58.51 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 18.59.02 # hmm, -Wunreachable-code is actually quite interesting 18.59.30 # amiconn: Do you have a clue what DEV_TIMING1 does on PP502x? One of the first things the Apple bootloader does on my Color is write 0x303 to it (on CPU only, not COP). 19.00.09 Quit thegeek_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19.00.34 # That's immediately after it writes 0xe000 to 0x7000008c. That register is only used in Rockbox on the E200 - as part of the "ata" init. 19.13.13 # It's some kind of timing, but I don't know what for. 0x00000303 is the values all ipods use for 24MHz. I found the formula, and it's also correct for 30MHz 19.13.32 # However, both H10 and sansa seem to use slightly different values in their OFs 19.13.35 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 19.14.21 # ...and those also set bits 4 and 12 somewhere, and properly mask bit 0..3 and 8..1 when changing the timing 19.14.29 # erm, 8..11 19.15.28 Join edistar [0] (n=edwinloc@ip503ddd09.speed.planet.nl) 19.15.41 # cheers! does rockbox support the radio remote of the ipod? 19.16.16 # amiconn: OK, thanks... 19.16.30 # edistar: Rockbox doesn't communicate with any of the proprietory ipod accessories. 19.17.04 # edistar: This page contains all the info people have contributed about compatibility - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodAccessories 19.18.12 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 19.24.03 Quit kugel_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.30.03 # * Nico_P has been reading talk about eye candy in rockbox in today's log 19.30.23 # preglow: what OF were you in ? 19.35.40 Quit edistar (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.38.18 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 19.41.03 Quit pondlife ("disconnected has pondlife") 19.42.03 # how silly isn't this? http://lilmonsta.com/c200.php 19.43.14 # and why the heck are they using a proprietary usb slot? it's three times the size of a normal mini-b slot... 19.43.33 # so if you lose your cable, you have to shell out however much for a new one 19.44.11 # Zagor: what do you think about disabling the "initialized field overwritten" warnings for gcc >= 4.2 ? 19.44.34 # yeah probably. although there's 20-25 pins in that connector, so perhaps they were/are thinking of making some more accessories for it 19.45.46 # n1s: looking 19.46.16 # Zagor: I have a ready patch for configure, just wondering what you think about it 19.46.42 # yeah, I just want to look at when the warning occurs and what impact it might have to remove it 19.46.51 # yes sure 19.48.00 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 19.48.07 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 19.48.49 # if you try to assign that in code, the compiler will barf right? 19.49.12 # I mean assign it runtime 19.50.11 # I think so it is 'const' stuff 19.52.39 # and we really don't have any other way to do what we do, that doesn't add more code. so I think it's ok to remove that warning. 19.54.16 # Zagor: ok, thanks for looking 19.54.49 Quit GodEater (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.55.55 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 20.00.47 # can #6494 be closed as we have usb stack? 20.03.53 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul) 20.04.52 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@9.17.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 20.09.11 Join mtoups [0] (n=mtoups@HENSON.ISR.CS.CMU.EDU) 20.15.41 Quit Buschel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.18.44 Join Ebert [0] (n=EbErT@adsl-219-3-125.asm.bellsouth.net) 20.19.37 Quit Soap_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.20.12 Join Soap [0] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 20.21.46 Quit Zom ("leaving") 20.22.28 Join Gruven98 [0] (n=chatzill@ip70-185-166-235.mc.at.cox.net) 20.23.01 # hey peeps... can someone help me with video function of rockbox? 20.23.53 # Just ask, I'm sure someone will try if they can. 20.24.40 # well, i've got a bunch of video files on my ipod and a couple of movies. i installed rockbox and for some reason the only video file that's showing up is a music video 20.24.57 Join edistar [0] (n=edwinloc@ip503ddd09.speed.planet.nl) 20.25.15 # i download the media coder and tried testing one to redo and it's still not showing up on the list 20.25.24 # this is frustrating^^ I have mounted my ipod on /media/ipod and ./ipodpatcher can't find it 20.25.31 # does it need to be umounted? 20.25.36 # Gruven98: Have you read this page, especially the introduction? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer 20.26.00 # edistar: No, you don't need to mount it. Are you running ipodpatcher as root? 20.26.19 # linuxstb: yes 20.26.23 # yeah, i read that part... so i guess i have to convert everything to mpeg1 or 2 20.26.27 # edistar: Also, does your ipod still work - i.e. does the Apple firmware boot? 20.26.32 # i think everything is in 4 right now 20.26.45 # linuxstb: yes, it says do not disconnect 20.26.45 # .. 20.26.50 # so it's still running, right? 20.27.14 # edistar: That could either be the emergency disk mode in flash, or the normal Apple firmware. 20.27.47 # linuxstb: how do I see what it is? 20.28.05 # oh, it tells me to restore my ipod 20.28.14 # linuxstb: so, what do I do now? ;) 20.28.22 # I tried to replace the firmware with dd 20.28.23 # I'll give you one guess... 20.28.39 # Try http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore 20.29.12 # Gruven98: Rockbox doesn't play mp4 files so you would need to convert them, but if you have an Ipod Video you will probably have more fun with just watching video in the Apple firmware 20.29.55 # i didn't get through the entire manual, but you can dual boot, right? 20.30.03 # linuxstb: how do I know which sdx to use? 20.31.16 # Gruven98: yes, flick the hold switch to on as soon as your Ipod boots 20.32.08 # edistar: If you've mounted it on /media/ipod, then just type "mount", and it will tell you. e.g. if /dev/sda2 is mounted there, the device is /dev/sda 20.32.36 # whoa... that kicks butt... thank you... i guess i can enjoy the best of both worlds for now..... 20.32.37 # linuxstb: thx 20.34.38 # linuxstb: I think I deleted all the partitions on my ipod.. do you perhaps know how big the 2 partitions have to be? 20.36.29 # somehow I have completely ruined my ipod :P I need to start from the beginning.. 20.37.06 # edistar: Which ipod do you have? 20.37.24 # linuxstb: nano 20.37.27 # 1g 20.37.41 # 1GB or 1st generation? 20.37.52 # 1st generation 20.37.55 # What size? 20.38.30 Join low_light [0] (i=c730180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-51166a1e3bff9b08) 20.38.30 # 4g 20.38.31 Quit cmvjk (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.38.35 # Then just follow step 1) in the page I linked you to - there is a partition table (MBR) for your ipod there. 20.38.42 # I downloaded the mbr thing 20.38.52 # then I dd it over to /dev/sdd 20.38.56 # is that right? 20.38.56 # OK... 20.39.02 # If your ipod is /dev/sdd, then yes. 20.39.18 # Now remove your ipod, then reinsert it, and carry on with those steps. 20.39.20 # what's the policy on ui images for the sim? can I rip on from the sandisk site? 20.39.22 # well, my hdd is sda, and parted tells me that sdb and sdc are not there 20.39.30 # low_light: Nope. 20.39.55 # scan it then? 20.40.06 # low_light: Yes, I think they're all scans of dev's devices. 20.40.51 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 20.41.17 # linuxstb: it mkfs.vfat tells me that there is no such file or dir /dev/sdd2 20.41.33 # Did you unconnect your ipod, and then reconnect it? 20.41.37 # linuxstb: yes 20.41.40 # * low_light heads to scanner 20.41.57 # edistar: Can you do "fdisk -l /dev/sdd" and then copy the output to http://pastebin.ca ? 20.42.02 Quit low_light (Client Quit) 20.42.25 Join Nintidiot [0] (i=d134327d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c506b46c6fac8275) 20.42.49 # linuxstb: http://nopaste.com/p/aNnTwdRw 20.43.03 # parted tells me there is a partition on /dev/sdd 20.44.01 # linuxstb: http://nopaste.org/p/aZA2CKZGrb 20.44.09 # I did it again, the dd mbr 20.44.54 # linuxstb: the dd Firmware tells me that I don't have enough space 20.46.32 # linuxstb: now it seems to copy something 20.46.53 # linuxstb: even formatting /dev/sdd2 20.47.06 Quit akaias (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.47.24 Quit Gruven98 ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518]") 20.47.37 # grrr 20.47.40 # cool, never had a loading sign 20.48.08 # Still 4 warnings remaining. And the 'incompatible pointer' warning seems to be due to a gcc bug. 20.48.29 # Zagor: does your c200 have a radio? The nice site you linked to earlier says that radio models aren't availavble in Europe but a german online shop sells them with radio... 20.49.16 Join kugel [0] (i=kugel@e178096115.adsl.alicedsl.de) 20.49.24 # pixelma: no I chose the one without radio. but it is available with radio in sweden too. 20.49.29 Join Agm3nt [0] (i=nat-107@nat.n3t.pl) 20.49.33 # edistar: The output of fdisk -l looks perfect - the partition layout is correct. 20.49.40 # ah, thanks 20.49.56 # linuxstb: thx :) 20.50.19 Part Nintidiot 20.50.31 Quit edistar ("Lost terminal") 20.50.41 # are any of you guys at the confrence? 20.51.06 # what conference? 20.51.40 # There's a Rockbox conference and no-one told me? 20.52.16 Join obo [0] (n=obo@rockbox/developer/obo) 20.52.33 # Zagor: Is there a faster way to check which build server did which build, other than clicking through all (relevant) builds? 20.52.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.52.53 # not that I know. what is the case? 20.53.39 # Sometimes I want to know which build server did which build, in order to check whether warnings are just due to specific gcc versions 20.53.53 # (mainly affects sims as the target gcc versions don't vary as much) 20.54.59 # Maybe some kind of summary of the errors on a single page? 20.55.04 # ^errors/warnings 20.55.22 # (linked to from the score?) 20.56.13 # There's already the build server summary, but that only lists a buch of build times per server 20.56.36 # Ah, so a score/server column could be added? 20.58.07 # a summary list of server/versios/errors would probably be good 20.58.08 # I could imagine a tooltip on the numbers in the main build table, showing the build server name and the gcc version 20.58.26 # I'll dump that in Bagder's lap. he's more familiar with the build stats scripts. 20.59.06 # E.g. in the latest run, on the H120 sim build it would show "storebror.haxx.se host-gcc 4.2.1" 20.59.38 # ...and on e.g. M5 bootloader "bygg.haxx.se m68k-elf-gcc 3.4.6" 20.59.55 # that's a good idea 21.00.39 Join edistar [0] (n=edwinloc@ip503ddd09.speed.planet.nl) 21.00.39 # * amiconn woul dalso like to understand the oscillating build sizes... 21.00.56 # linuxstb: where do I have to copy .rockbox? sdd2 or sdd1? 21.00.58 # sdd2? 21.01.17 # Yes, sdd2. That's the only one with a filesystem. sdd1 is just the firmware partition. 21.01.26 # amiconn: maybe compilers run on different host arch? 21.01.28 # ok 21.01.29 # thx 21.01.58 # Are the maps anywhere for the current builds? 21.02.02 # n1s: Possibly, but I would like to see that theory verified. And if it's that, it's a gcc bug 21.03.03 # linuxstb: even ipodpatcher find my ipod :) 21.03.24 # Looks like it only affects SH1 and arm, never coldfire 21.03.43 # And the former use gcc 4.0.3 while the latter still uses 3.4.6 21.04.31 # probably 4.0 bug then, btw the logs don't tell which host arch is used 21.04.40 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 21.05.44 Join Buschel [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3E31C.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.07.04 # when I go in plugins and games it keeps telling me incompatible model, is there anything that works with the ipod nano? 21.07.11 # Maybe a few of us could build something from current SVN and compare the maps? 21.07.27 # hmm, for the 00:24->06:49 ipod video builds www.rockbox.org did the green delta ones and deepthought.ena.si did the red delta ones... 21.07.35 # edistar: That normally means your "rockbox.ipod" is from a different rockox.zip to the plugins 21.07.50 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@83.233.243.132) 21.07.57 # linuxstb: I downloaded the wrong one? 21.07.59 # what's really strange is that the size changes even when the very same server builds it.. 21.08.25 # 07:18 and 11:09 were both built by rclient@ihme.org 21.08.52 # meh, of course. i'm silly. 21.08.57 # those two are the same size :) 21.08.58 Join eigma [0] (i=lvwezidk@CABLE-206-188-76-21.cia.com) 21.09.32 # compiler version isn't going to be enough to track down the size oscillation though 21.09.39 # Zagor: Do we know the architecture for each build server? 21.09.52 # edistar: No, it means you had (for example) an old copy of the plugins and a new version of rockbox.ipod. But if you've just freshly formatted, that sounds unlikely. 21.10.06 # linuxstb: hm 21.10.09 # I don't, at least. maybe bagder does. 21.10.14 # We could make the build script output the result of uname -a 21.10.18 Quit Chairman_Wow (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.10.18 # edistar: Ah sorry, I misread. I'm not sure how you could get "incompatible model"... 21.10.30 # edistar: I was talking about an "incompatible version" error 21.10.40 # linuxstb: yes 21.10.56 # does anyone know if the e200 sansapatcher works for c200? 21.11.05 # No, it doesn't. 21.11.20 # Do you have a c200? 21.11.23 # yes 21.11.45 # linuxstb: but what to do? 21.11.53 # Zagor: Can you pastebin the output of "fdisk -l" ? 21.12.43 # sure 21.13.23 # edistar: Delete your existing .rockbox folder and the rockbox.ipod file, download a fresh zip file, and then install it by typing "unzip rockbox.zip -d /media/ipod/" 21.13.27 # interesting... 21.13.36 # does rockbox recognize files on the ipod? or do I have to import them in the usual ipod way? 21.13.43 # ok 21.13.57 # edistar: Rockbox has a file browser, so you can just put them anywhere and play them. 21.14.40 # linuxstb: http://pastebin.com/m40b46de6 21.15.24 # Zagor: Yes, that's similar to the e200. If you can give me a dump of the second partition, I'll try and look into getting sansapatcher working. 21.15.31 # ok 21.16.19 # linuxstb: thats done, now reboot the ipod? 21.16.21 # or just unplug 21.16.22 # ? 21.16.24 # FAT16... makes sense for an mp3 player 21.16.27 # or umount first? 21.16.32 # fucking shit 21.16.33 # edistar: Always unmount first... 21.16.50 # ok, unmounted 21.16.52 # thenunplug? 21.17.04 # yes 21.17.09 # this dfkt from the ABi forums banned me forever, because i don't like how his winamp looks like 21.17.24 # linuxstb: works 21.17.27 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 21.18.17 # pong is just really cool! 21.18.37 Join kugel_ [0] (i=kugel@e178096071.adsl.alicedsl.de) 21.18.55 # amiconn: regarding ZIF-IDE connector, I've found this: http://www.stolltech.ch/iriver.pdf 21.19.08 # linuxstb: http://bjorn.haxx.se/sansa_c250_partition2.bin.bz2 21.20.12 # is rockbox written from scratch? 21.20.14 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 21.20.18 # edistar: yes 21.20.32 # ok 21.20.39 # brilliant 21.21.03 # Zagor: Thanks. After a quick look, it seems to be an identical format to the e200 firmware partition, so sansapatcher should be relatively easy to adapt. 21.21.10 # nice 21.21.31 # Genre9mp3: haha, he links to mistic river and calls it "The english rockbox forum" :-D 21.21.33 # I wonder if the c200 firmware supports fat32... 21.21.53 # I'm pretty sure the e200 does 21.22.12 # edistar: it does contain lots of imported code in plugins and codecs though 21.22.24 # IIIRC, the first versions of Rockbox on the e200 were fat32 only, then fat16 was enabled later. 21.22.46 # yes but the e200 is harddisk-based. c200 is much smaller and hence doesn't "need" fat32 21.22.47 # n1s: okey 21.23.05 # The e200 is flash as well. 21.23.12 # oh, my bad 21.23.20 Quit kugel (Nick collision from services.) 21.23.22 # but I guess you didn't think that the doom plugin was written from scratch ;-) 21.23.28 Quit kugel_ (Client Quit) 21.23.36 # but a bit big for a flash player IMO 21.23.36 Join kugel_ [0] (i=kugel@e178096071.adsl.alicedsl.de) 21.23.40 Nick kugel_ is now known as kugel (i=kugel@e178096071.adsl.alicedsl.de) 21.24.45 # pixelma: indeed. the size was what fooled me. 21.25.55 # Zagor: If the OF doesn't claim to support sdhc, it probably doesn't support fat32 either. But if that's really true, it would be less advanced than the archos Ondio firmware 21.26.19 # (which dates back to 2003, where MMCs were _far_ from breaking the FAT16 limit) 21.26.24 # n1s: hopefully, the lst page on that pdf is more... accurate ;) 21.26.37 # I just tried it Archos Ondio OF handles my 4GB MMC 21.26.37 # last 21.27.01 # Is the Archos firmware for the Ondio similar to the other SH devices? 21.27.04 # (although it doesn't handle writing, but that's a different problem) 21.27.17 # * linuxstb has long since forgotton what the Archos firmware was like 21.27.19 # linuxstb: The core might be similar, but the UI is different 21.27.44 # Simpler.... and somewhat better than the recorder OF 21.28.13 # (but it doesn't come anywhere near rockbox) 21.28.42 # linuxstb: please help me ;) I need user rights to access /media/ipod, and somehow it doesn't work, how do I do it? 21.29.03 # edistar: What changed? I thought it was all working? 21.29.19 # linuxstb: yes, I can access my ipod as root, files etc 21.29.21 # but not as user 21.29.25 # I need to set my rights 21.29.28 # somehow 21.29.37 # a thread in forums.sandisk.com says there are two fw versions: one that supports msc but not sdhc and one that support sdhc but not msc... mine supports msc. 21.29.47 # Hmm, the OF can browse the 4GB MMC fine, but playback doesn't work 21.29.58 # Zagor: It doesn't mention a third fw that supports both? 21.30.12 # nope 21.30.18 # I meant Rockbox ;) 21.30.25 # ah :) 21.31.32 # edistar: That's getting off-topic for this channel - join #rockbox-community 21.31.42 Join DarkJesus [0] (n=shane@cpc3-barn8-0-0-cust502.brnt.cable.ntl.com) 21.32.01 Join rogelio [0] (n=rogelio@189.146.222.125) 21.32.39 # It shows "Starting song " for a while, then crashes (turns off) 21.32.45 Part rogelio ("Kopete 0.12.4 : http://kopete.kde.org") 21.33.13 # That reminds me... 21.33.21 # * amiconn should write that email to Microdia 21.33.37 Quit hcs ("Leaving.") 21.33.38 Part DarkJesus ("See yez") 21.36.39 Quit annulus_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.36.54 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 21.37.03 Quit woodensoul () 21.38.31 Quit hannesd ("Client suicide") 21.42.48 # asking about those 8GB MMCs? 21.43.01 # yup 21.44.17 # 8GB MMCs were announced by Samsung more than a year ago, and Microdia also lists them on their site more than half a year iirc 21.44.54 Quit Buschel () 21.50.33 Quit hcs ("Leaving.") 21.52.16 Quit BobShield (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.52.41 Join BobShield [0] (i=rshield@c-24-15-123-57.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 21.57.08 # how does one get a sansa e200 out of manufacturing mode? 21.57.24 # Hold power for 10-15 seconds is a hardware shutdown. 21.57.34 # how do the c200 and e200 compare ? (in terms of battery life mainly) 21.57.52 # they use the same pp soc right? 21.58.05 # no, not exactly 21.58.36 # C200 uses PP5022 + external AS3514 dac, E200 uses PP5024 which has the AS3514 built in 21.59.18 # ok, thanks. 22.00.05 Join rogelio [0] (n=rogelio@189.146.222.125) 22.00.39 Part rogelio ("Kopete 0.12.4 : http://kopete.kde.org") 22.01.34 Quit The-Compiler (Remote closed the connection) 22.06.49 Quit chrisjs169 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.08.22 Join Nintidiot [0] (i=d134327d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4ebd6e7265937fb8) 22.10.57 Quit edistar ("Lost terminal") 22.18.19 Quit nicktastic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.20.33 Quit petur ("switching...") 22.20.42 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 22.24.10 Quit BobShield (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.24.33 Join BobShield [0] (i=rshield@c-24-15-123-57.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 22.26.28 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 22.29.04 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 22.29.30 # pixelma: ping 22.29.47 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@bas3-montreal28-1177918709.dsl.bell.ca) 22.32.51 Part Agm3nt 22.33.54 Join ptw419 [0] (i=ptw419@66-90-157-228.dyn.grandenetworks.net) 22.35.39 Join Marslyr [0] (n=chatzill@c-76-19-74-184.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 22.36.05 # Hey, I had a question and was wondering if someone could answer it for me? 22.37.14 # not until we know the question... ;) 22.37.28 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcGuidelines - Don't "ask to ask" 22.37.39 # Well, I just discovered rockbox, and just discoved that rule ;-) 22.38.07 # And I was wondering, if I install it on a 1stgen nano, is there a way to get my nano back to normal, if I wish? 22.38.35 # sure 22.38.45 # You can always uninstall 22.38.56 # although no one would do that after trying rockbox :) 22.39.12 # But in the online quickstart guide thingy, it says that it erases the ipod's firmware? 22.39.31 # Which quickstart says this? 22.39.37 # http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodnano/rockbox-buildch2.html 22.39.46 # section 2.2.1 22.40.08 # under the boot loader part 22.40.20 # Marslyr: It means replace as "runs instead" rather than "removes" 22.40.29 # Oh, okay then 22.41.21 # Alright in that case i'll follow the instuctions and see if i can get it to work! 22.43.08 Join low_light [0] (i=c730180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-cf2a68e69889815a) 22.43.14 # So to go back to normal I just Run the ipodpatcher and press 'u'? 22.44.14 Quit low_light (Client Quit) 22.45.45 Join Frazz [0] (n=Fraser@thelawsons.plus.com) 22.46.17 # * Marslyr is sheepish 22.46.23 # I've got anouther question 22.46.35 # How do I install the fonts? 22.46.45 # you unzip the zip :) 22.46.53 # or you run rb util to do every thing in a GUI 22.47.09 # rb util? 22.47.10 # see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtilityQt for binaries 22.50.21 Join webguest50 [0] (i=4a8e5616@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5b840fa1669d237f) 22.51.17 # Where does rockbox store saved pictures you make with rockpaint. 22.52.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.53.25 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 22.53.53 # Hello...? 22.56.09 # probably where you tell it to (I guess you'll get the virtual keyboard where you have to enter the path...) note: I have never used Rockpint 22.56.24 # *Rockpaint 22.56.40 # * pixelma curses keyboard and typo classes 22.56.55 Quit ptw419 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.59.43 Quit Frazz ("Leaving") 22.59.52 Quit RudMan (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- 100,000+ downloads can't be wrong") 23.00.33 # Woot I got it to work! 23.01.34 # It never asks 23.02.23 # pixelma; it dosent really ask you 23.03.07 Join Frazz [0] (n=Fraser@thelawsons.plus.com) 23.04.01 Quit webguest50 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23.05.55 Quit pepie34 ("Ex-Chat") 23.08.31 # I assume it is known that playback crashes in the sim - or is that just my pc? Running ubuntu btw... 23.09.10 # 64 bit? 23.10.16 # no 23.10.33 # it starts 2 seconds and just closes 23.10.34 # playback works in sim here (64 bit) 23.10.41 # hmmmm 23.10.43 # n1s: Try mp3... 23.10.55 # Gah, /me should just go ahead and fix that libmad isse; shouldn't be that hard 23.11.00 # *issue 23.11.03 # amiconn: I know :-) or skipping a track most of the time 23.11.14 # oh, so it isn't just me? 23.11.32 Quit darkless ("Leaving") 23.11.46 # petur: mp3 crashes 100% on 64 bit sims 23.11.49 # petur: I didn't see playback crash in the sim (non-64bit) for a long time - but then I really don't use the sim often 23.12.10 # me neither but now it does here... 23.12.16 # but for example vorbis works fine, except skipping 23.12.35 # All codecs except libmad work afaik 23.13.37 # I'm pretty sure track changing/skipping used to work though... 23.13.55 # now it reliably segfaults... :-/ 23.14.53 Quit einhirn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.15.21 # any comments on this before I make it the new front page? http://www.rockbox.org/main2.shtml 23.16.01 # Zagor: the links to recent.shtml could be #anchored to the right spot 23.16.20 # Looks nice, tho the text in the tables is very small 23.16.37 # Bagder: I considered that, but since all tables are visible from the top of the page it feels unneccessary 23.16.55 # only if you have a large browser window... 23.17.26 # I don like the fact that the logo and first frame are centered and the tables left-aligned 23.17.47 # I miss the link to the changelog, but I don't know exactly where it fits... 23.17.47 # The layoult looks a bit strange, with the top table centered and the others jagging their way down... 23.17.59 Join freqmod [0] (n=freqmod@m072g.studby.ntnu.no) 23.18.28 # uncentered (now) doesn't look terribly good either imho... 23.18.31 # And the sponsor table isn't visible even on my 1400x1050 23.18.31 # it looks a bit chaotic 23.18.53 # Bagder: Subversion? 23.19.09 # amiconn: it looks ok on my 1920x1200 :p 23.19.40 # everything can't fit on the first page of a 1024x768 browser window. not if the font has to be readable... 23.19.41 # but I agree the sponsers should make it in the visible part when opening the page 23.20.19 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 23.20.30 # well they do if your window is >800px high 23.20.57 # the top of it, I mean 23.21.32 # anyway, I don't feel the sponsor list is the most important on the page. and I doubt any of them are going to be upset about not being on the top of the page 23.21.47 # * linuxstb_ doesn't even see the SVN or Wiki tables on his ibook 23.21.50 # having them on the right like before really cramps the width of the page 23.22.26 # linuxstb_: I thought those things had decent resolution? 23.22.29 # The SVN table is very important to be that small... 23.22.30 # * petur shows off his 1920x1200 notebook to linuxstb_ 23.22.41 # no commit messages??? argh 23.22.56 # Genre9mp3: click the header 23.23.22 # this is an overview page. having all verbose dev info on the front page was never a good idea. 23.23.25 Quit billytwowilly (Remote closed the connection) 23.23.42 # Zagor: oh well... 23.24.14 # I'm just used to it I suppose 23.24.34 # I think we're all a bit too accustomed to the current look... :-) 23.24.53 # Zagor: IMHO it would look better if the four small tables were the same size 23.25.10 # n1s: yeah, I'll try that 23.25.16 # yes I think I agree with that 23.25.39 # Zagor: move back a "news" item so that there are 5 lines there as well 23.27.02 # yup 23.27.14 # * amiconn thinks it would look better if the table in each "stacked pair" had equal width 23.27.14 # the sponsors table looks a bit big in comparison to the others and to older version 23.27.33 Quit Marslyr ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518]") 23.27.50 Join MikeInsideTheBox [0] (i=63f62bba@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-bfae043c9cd780d4) 23.28.06 # well, it is moved down a bit and now uses normal sized font so I don't think it hurts much 23.28.55 # Hmm, and the links to the "recent" page should really use acnchors 23.29.50 # Couldn't we split the "recent" page? e.g. have a separate svn page, put the recent mail threads on the mail page, leave the recent wiki activity where it is... 23.30.11 # * linuxstb_ guesses that wasn't the point.... 23.30.30 Quit MikeInsideTheBox (Client Quit) 23.30.59 # linuxstb_: any particular reason having it on a single page is a bad idea? 23.31.21 # I like one huge page with the recent events 23.31.43 # possibly the svn stuff should be on top 23.32.03 # Zagor: I think it's just that I'm not interested in everything. If I want mail, I read the lists, if I want wiki things, I read the wiki... 23.32.25 # I agree with Bagder that svn stuff would be nicer at the top. 23.33.04 # hmmm 23.33.18 # I think that frontpage is a bit empty now 23.33.30 # hehe, fixing the width on the front page screwed it up on the recent page. I need to split up the css classes. 23.33.54 Quit seablue ("life, death, life, death") 23.34.24 # empty? I'd say it's still awfully crowded for a front page 23.34.35 # The old one looks better especially on larger screens 23.34.57 # larger browser windows you mean? :-) 23.35.09 # Now there are large areas of just light blue 23.35.23 # I have a large screen, but the front page looks fine for me 23.35.40 Join [aB]DaRkNeSS|sch [0] (n=darkness@71-221-178-4.bois.qwest.net) 23.35.42 Quit Nintidiot ("CGI:IRC") 23.35.44 # <[aB]DaRkNeSS|sch> wuddup wuddup 23.35.45 # ... since my browser covers only ~half (or less) of my screen 23.35.46 Nick [aB]DaRkNeSS|sch is now known as [aB]DaRkNeSS (n=darkness@71-221-178-4.bois.qwest.net) 23.35.48 # Our old page is in fact rather similar to the ipl frontpage 23.36.01 # amiconn: so filling it with with the massively huge svn is _better_ ? 23.36.04 # My browser is always fullscreen (minus taskbar of course) 23.36.33 # I prefer the new version 23.36.49 # we should learn to never listen to amiconn when we discuss ui or layout ;-) 23.36.52 # Zagor: I didn't say that 23.36.59 # I think even users appreciate the svn table on the front page. Or they just ignore it... 23.37.26 # But the overview text at the top would imo look better as floating text like before 23.37.41 # I disagree 23.37.44 # Now everything is ...boxed... 23.38.07 # I think a major reason people didn't find the supported targets before was because the text "blended" too much with everything else 23.38.18 # ... Rocked (couldn't resist) :D 23.38.32 # I have to agree there's a lot of unused space on the new page 23.38.40 # ...and the sponsors aren't visible while they would easily fit at the right here, wthout pushing anything downwards 23.39.00 # easily fit if you have the widest browser in the world, sure 23.39.15 # :-) 23.39.24 # like a 1400 wide one... 23.39.34 # the new page does fit better on a smaller display 23.39.34 # they only fit when you're browsing full-screen. only windows people do that :) 23.39.44 # eh? 23.39.48 # just kidding 23.39.52 # lol 23.40.13 # here's the text unboxed. it looks rather lost to me. 23.40.28 # It's not true that the new page fits better on a smaller display 23.40.29 # i agree having everything in boxes is rather unimaginative, but this isn't better imho 23.40.39 # amiconn: it's true for me 23.40.46 # The text in the top table doesn't wrap, so you have to scroll sideways .... urgh 23.41.03 # that's.... very small 23.41.13 # amiconn: only if you have a _very_ narrow window 23.41.22 # petur: Just half screen width... 23.41.30 Join billytwowilly [0] (n=chris@CABLE-72-53-22-61.cia.com) 23.41.32 # ...like Bagder seems to prefer 23.41.42 # around 35% here... 23.41.56 # I get a scrollbar at ~650 pixels width. and it's the sponsor images that cause it. 23.42.23 # Now I don't get a scrollbar as the top box isn't there 23.42.26 # I don't have a problem with scrolling to see the sponsors in that case 23.42.39 # ah right 23.42.55 # Now it's even worse... 23.42.57 # box is back, still no scrollbar until the sponsor images make one 23.43.00 # hmm... btw. why are all the tables fixed width (in pixels)? If it was percent it would adapt easier to different window wisths 23.43.06 # *widths 23.43.15 # Lines don't wrap, but I don't get a scrollbar, so the text at theright is unreadable 23.43.16 # pixelma: they are not in pixels 23.43.27 # amiconn: what kind of weird browser are you using??? 23.43.29 # they stretch 23.43.35 # Zagor: Firefox 1.0.6 23.43.44 # Erm, 2.0.0.6 23.43.46 # bah 23.43.51 # the text on the right don't wrap when the sponsor box "breaks" the right margin 23.44.01 # well so do I, and the box text surely wraps for me 23.44.10 # eh? 23.44.15 # Zagor: not anymore when the sponsor box is wider than the window 23.44.19 # ah... is it based on the longest line, or what=? 23.44.25 # s/=// 23.44.29 # of course, but that has nothing to do with the box text 23.44.54 # as soon as browsers add a scroll bar they stop scaling the page 23.44.57 # no, just that when you shrink it a lot, you need to scroll horizontally to read the text, nothing else 23.44.59 # If I make the window smaller so it would have to add the horizontal scrollbar, it doesn't do so, but _removes_ the vertical scrollbar too instead?? 23.45.02 # :puzzled: 23.45.17 # what? 23.45.23 # I don't get that 23.45.36 # I do, 100% reproducable 23.45.43 # Zagor: so the could look differently every time the content changes? 23.45.44 # At about 800px window width 23.45.58 # but I'll admit that firefox on windows vs linux is oddly different at times, even at the same version 23.46.00 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@p54BD2CDD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 23.46.11 # hi :) 23.46.41 # pixelma: yes. the boxes are one table each, with 100% width. and they are all contained in a big box without width setting. so they scale until they hit the outer box. which sizes itself after the widest box. 23.46.46 # Zagor: like it does in the current frontpage... didn't like that either I have to say 23.47.08 # amiconn: in case you haven't noticed it yet... it's time for an Oops-Commit ;) In deutsch.lang check the voice string for "Error accessing playlist control file". 23.47.16 # well the only option is to always expand, which will look very silly full-screen imho 23.47.23 # On linux that weird effect doesn't happen, but the top table also doesn't wrap its contents 23.47.44 # amiconn: it does all the way until the sponsor box no longer fits 23.47.49 # More specifically, the
    does wrap its items, but the top line doesn't 23.48.03 # does here 23.48.07 # does here 23.48.07 # Ah, so it's the sponsor box... 23.48.30 Quit tchan (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.48.39 # somehow fixing the sponsors will make the page nicer when done narrow 23.49.12 # I can set them to crop instead of scroll, iirc 23.49.27 Quit Ebert () 23.49.44 # DerPapst: no wonder the mistake is in that word ;) 23.49.53 # like the top-right logo here: http://www.bjornsbytare.se/ 23.50.28 # Hmm, horizontal scrollbar in FF/Windows seems to be broken 23.50.28 # yes, it is probably better that way 23.50.44 # It gets added on other sites (e.g. ipl), but doesn't scale properly 23.52.01 # rofl 23.54.36 # image cropping adds a few pixels more shrinkability, but then the boxes become unwrappable anyway (single word/line) 23.55.23 # FF on Windows does strange things... 23.55.51 # On our current frontpage, narrowing the window makes the sponsor box partially overlap the svn table 23.56.06 # * DerPapst just noticed that too 23.56.13 # with ff 1.5 23.56.22 # Doesn't happen on linux 23.56.23 # yes, it's because it's an align=right placement. they do that. 23.56.40 # Maybe that's due to its different name, Iceweasel? ;) 23.56.47 # hehe 23.56.48 # Zagor: it can be prevented though 23.56.49 # huh... doesn't happen here 23.57.00 # the align right effect I mean 23.57.02 # * DerPapst goes to bed. 23.57.03 # now it does 23.57.07 # good night everyone 23.57.13 Quit DerPapst ("So Long And Thanks For All The Fish!") 23.57.50 # seems to depend on what dimension was too short first 23.57.55 # it _does_ happen here with ff on ubuntu 23.58.03 # hmm... 23.58.34 # * amiconn just noticed the somewhat weird combination of doing all formatting in css but still having a doctype of html 4.0 transitional...