--- Log for 10.09.107 Server: clarke.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 5 days and 15 hours ago 00.06.22 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@unaffiliated/youceye) 00.08.52 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 00.09.42 Join wookey__ [0] (n=wookey@stoneboat.aleph1.co.uk) 00.10.21 # Sansa 280e arrived yesterday. ROckboxed it forthwith and it 'just works' - well done all! 00.10.41 # even plays movies 00.10.54 # I need to fiddle a bit more to find out how it all works 00.11.03 # then I can ehlp hack 00.11.16 # we like that! 00.11.36 # linuxstb: The very first call to get_next_data() (wrongly) detects end of stream on amd64... 00.11.49 # Any news on USB support for sansa? That is a very obvious missing piece that my wife is going to notice :-) 00.12.09 # wookey__: it's in the works at least 00.12.35 # yeah - austriancoder was doing google SoC on it I hear 00.13.25 # BTW is the default rockbox theme supposed to look like tiny monospace font with no colours/icons except yellow background? 00.13.37 # or did I do something wrong. 00.13.49 # it is that basic 00.14.21 Part rrae 00.14.23 # discussions tend to pop up every now and then on changing/improving that... 00.14.38 # OK. Even I was a bit disapointed on the bling front - and I'm a proper geek :-) 00.14.50 # :-) 00.14.51 # It's a fairly hard-core initial imporession 00.15.14 # I can imagine people being put off before realising they can upload themes to their hearts content 00.15.23 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@unaffiliated/funky) 00.15.47 Join webguest46 [0] (i=4a469c81@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-07fb42336cc402fa) 00.15.47 # they are usually the trouble makers, so no loss 00.16.01 # perhaps that is true - it is a useful idiot-filter 00.17.01 # I just imigine if I told someone 'get rockbox it's great' they might be a bit disapointed with the defaults 00.17.49 # I have my datacd creator up but now i just need to know what to put in it. Is there an iso i have to download? 00.18.02 Quit floam () 00.18.06 # default look - default settings seem fine, although backlight duration is very short if you don't already know how to drive device 00.18.08 # linuxstb: If you take a look at the C versions of the CMP_3_CONST and CMP_4_CONST macros, what does that tell you? 00.18.26 # Anyway - thanx all - I'll be back - need to do some work now. 00.18.32 # (mpegplayer.c:453..461) 00.18.52 # This is complicated 00.19.25 # * amiconn spotted this by comparing a single-step run on linux/x86 and linux/amd64 00.21.37 Quit webguest46 ("CGI:IRC") 00.22.22 Quit petur ("*plop*") 00.23.44 Join BigBambi [0] (n=alex@host86-136-47-150.range86-136.btcentralplus.com) 00.24.25 Join webguest46 [0] (i=4a469c81@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d957b3e5dbd54d44) 00.25.52 # forget it, this is too much for me. I don't know enough about linux to try tand make this work. For now, I'm just going to have to wait for the auto-installer. 00.25.53 # is there a way to store music on rockbox so that rockbox and ipod software can use it? 00.27.02 # webguest46: what do you need to "try an make this work" for?...the instructions are very explicit and should open room for interpretation 00.27.11 # k-man: using i-tunes 00.27.55 # scorche, ok.... so if i load up the ipod with itunes, rockbox can read the files and use them? 00.28.07 # if you use database 00.28.50 # Well, i'm just confused about what files i put into this cd creator and then what to do after that so i can get rockbox on my e200r. 00.29.08 # scorche, ok 00.29.09 # thanks 00.29.20 # webguest46, try ISO Recorder - on some computers it doesn't work well, but on others it's fine 00.29.35 # sorry if i sound annoying, i'm not trying to 00.30.12 # What iso do i have to use. Is there an iso i need? 00.30.14 # webguest46, http://isorecorder.alexfeinman.com/isorecorder.htm 00.30.19 # thanks 00.30.21 # webguest46, download a copy of linux 00.30.29 # webguest46, that program is only for burning the iso to a cd 00.30.32 # yay! 00.30.43 # Fixing these macros fixes mpegplayer on 64 bit sims 00.30.43 # amiconn: ? 00.31.04 # OH, i think i'm finally starting to understand. Thank you 00.31.54 Quit Febs ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518]") 00.31.58 # webguest46, you need to somehow burn a iso to a cd... cdburnerxp pro have it right in the file menu "write disc from image" 00.32.11 # if my ipod is formatted in win32, can i use it as an ipod with a mac? 00.32.11 # or will the mac want to reformat it? 00.33.31 # advcomp2019: does that program cost anything? 00.33.38 Nick Febs_ is now known as Febs (n=chatzill@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 00.33.41 # it is free 00.33.46 # Okay 00.34.00 # http://www.cdburnerxp.se/ 00.36.14 # i'm downloading it from megaupload right now 00.36.34 # advcomp2019: just freeware or true open source? 00.36.41 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 00.36.48 # (The site doesn't tell, or at least I can't find it) 00.36.57 # it is freeware not open source 00.37.39 # Infra recorder is an open source burning app 00.37.55 # amiconn: Nice find in mpegplayer. Not my code though... 00.38.24 # it works great with cd burning but i have not had good lunk yet with dvds and they are working it out still 00.38.34 # luck* 00.38.50 # linuxstb: I saw that shift up & down solution for extracting bytes in numerous places, and I must say I don't like it 00.39.04 Quit k-man ("Leaving") 00.39.14 # A shift + and 'and' are clearer, and not as data size dependent 00.39.43 # (and in this case, the operations are compile-time, so it's not influencing performance at all) 00.40.30 # amiconn: I agree - I always use shift and & 00.41.16 # It seems that it works on 32 bit just by coincidence - iirc the preprocessor calculates everything in 64 bit 00.41.23 # (on all platforms) 00.42.09 Quit seablue ("life, death, life, death") 00.42.11 # okay, got the program downloaded, now i just need to download linux 00.42.22 Quit Buschel () 00.42.34 # SVN now only blames me for 20% of mpegplayer.c, and most of that are comments... 00.44.14 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 00.44.23 # Ah, so jhMikeS is to blame.... 00.44.37 # (r13094) 00.45.17 # http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=290959&threshold=1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=20508699 00.45.21 # Yes, 13094 was when I stopped working on it, and jhMikeS started. 00.45.33 Quit sofianbabai () 00.45.40 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@66.172.231.192) 00.45.46 # It is asking me what i want to open the .iso file with. What should i select? 00.45.46 Quit advcomp2019 (Nick collision from services.) 00.45.52 Nick advcomp2019_ is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@66.172.231.192) 00.46.08 # webguest46: What is asking you that? 00.46.29 # firefox 00.46.44 # Just tell it to save the file. 00.46.45 # two comments in that slashdot article mentioned rockbox, and we've gotten ~700 referes from them as of now 00.46.48 # open with: or save to disk 00.46.50 # you need to save it 00.46.53 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.46.56 # ok 00.47.09 # Bagder: Isn't that Soap? 00.47.36 # ah yes it is, I didn't notice that 00.47.40 # Okay, now i wonder how long it will take to download 00.48.24 # takes a few hours here but that depends on your connection 00.48.31 Quit ender` (" If I had only finished this sentence,") 00.49.17 # well, i'm using roadrunner, the connection is okay 00.51.49 # so linux can't mess up windows in anyway right? 00.52.07 # if you use the livecd it should not 00.52.16 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 00.52.23 # webguest46: unless you do something really stupid :-) 00.52.32 # yea 00.53.39 # lol 00.53.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.55.14 # it's downloading at about 3.0KB/sec 00.56.46 # what kind of connection do you have 00.58.52 Nick eigma is now known as cat (i=hvgqjbb@CABLE-206-188-76-21.cia.com) 00.58.57 Nick cat is now known as eigma (i=hvgqjbb@CABLE-206-188-76-21.cia.com) 00.59.48 # cable/modem 01.03.11 # ok 01.04.37 # webguest46: maybe bit torrent might be faster? 01.05.11 # or use a download manager that downloads from other site 01.05.35 # with that file 01.05.36 # how much of a time difference would that be 01.06.03 # that can save lots of time 01.06.34 # do you have a link to a torrent i could use 01.06.35 # if you have cable and it is only downloading at 3KB/sec 01.08.13 # webguest46: Which file are you downloading? The gparted iso? 01.08.40 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 01.09.49 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 01.10.35 # I'm not sure what .iso you're trying to download. Try googling for that .iso and torrent. Many sites have .torrents as well as direct downloads. 01.11.00 # if you use firefox a download manager you could use is called DownThemAll 01.11.47 Quit webguest46 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 01.12.43 # * linuxstb blames his ISP... 01.12.55 # ^webguest46's ISP 01.13.01 # yea 01.14.33 # i was going to tell him to use utorrent if he goes the torrent way 01.21.38 # I'm getting a compile error in firmware/pcm_playback.c:277. looking at http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/pcm_playback.c?annotate=13795, there looks like there's a trailing "." on line 277.. even with that removed, I get a "samples not declared" because my processor isn't PNX0101.. 01.22.24 # eigma: Which target are you building for? 01.23.16 # new port, olympus m:robe 500i 01.23.27 # we haven't modified that file at all 01.23.48 # Yes, that . looks like a typo. That part of the code must be unused for all current targets... 01.24.28 # and what about "samples"? 01.24.38 # is that block supposed to be executed only for the PNX0101? 01.24.43 # *that _entire_ block 01.25.37 # linuxstb: yeps, it's swcodec only and inside #if !defined(CPU_PP) as well as #if !defined(CPU_COLDFIRE) && (CONFIG_CPU != S3C2440) 01.25.59 # which neatly covers all targets :-) 01.26.01 # eigma: What CPU do you have? 01.26.05 # ARM926 01.27.50 # I think you'll need to create a pcm-something file in the target-tree (firmware/target), and change pcm_playback.c so it ignores that code for your CPU. 01.28.26 Quit obo ("bye") 01.28.44 # sure, but it seems that something is still broken 01.28.46 Join webguest46 [0] (i=4a469c81@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0f1cf9a74b439e74) 01.29.19 # this seems like a lot of half-baked target treeing 01.29.24 # The problem is that the PNX0101 port is a one-man job, and that man isn't around very much... 01.30.01 # But yes, it does need fixing. 01.30.10 # sorry, got disconnected 01.30.43 # now what about torrents 01.31.01 # sorry if i interupted a conversation 01.33.20 Quit funky ("leaving") 01.34.23 # should i search for it on google 01.34.46 # torrect would let you download from many host that has the file same with a download manager 01.34.52 # webguest46: Do you get faster speeds than 3KB/s from other sites? 01.36.21 # or can you do a speed test to your internet connection 01.36.41 Part n1s 01.40.15 Quit einhirn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.40.42 # linuxstb: okay, so why isn't that code in target/arm/pnx0101? 01.40.58 # eigma: Simply because no-one has put it there... 01.41.06 # target-tree is still a work-in-progress. 01.41.08 # hm :( 01.41.28 # does anyone have a PNX0101 to test a patch if I write one? 01.42.46 # That's the problem - only one person does. I don't even know if the iFP port builds without error at the moment. But if you write a patch, I'm sure someone will commit it - if we break the port, the porter can fix it. 01.44.01 # I'll definitely make sure it doesn't break the build.. but I definitely have no way of checking it on real hardware 01.44.09 # (the build is already broken, heh) 01.44.25 Join [nc17] [0] (n=fake@cpe-74-74-104-190.stny.res.rr.com) 01.45.06 # <[nc17]> question... been using RB for a few days and i just plugged into the pc to charge and the bootloader screen came up, slowly got white lines and faded to red then black and now it wont turn off 01.45.11 # <[nc17]> using e250R 01.45.23 # <[nc17]> e260R* 01.46.16 # do i need to download a torrent program, and if i do does anybody have a suggestion 01.46.57 # you can use utorrent 01.47.54 # thanks 01.48.07 Quit [nc17] (Client Quit) 01.48.31 Quit BHSPitLappy (Remote closed the connection) 01.48.33 Part pixelma 01.48.58 # [nc17] seemed impatient 01.49.12 # webguest46: You seem to be ignoring everyone's questions... 01.51.47 # Your'e right, sorry about that. I'm being too selfish. I'm just eager to get everything running. 01.55.48 # webguest46: The questions were intended to see if your ISP is the weak link. If that's the case then a torrent probably won't help much. 01.56.00 Quit petur ("Zzzzz") 01.56.46 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 01.56.54 Quit webguest46 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 01.59.42 # linuxstb, Bagder: How did you know that was me? 01.59.51 # Sorry I didn't get that modded up higher. 02.00.25 # to boot into the previous firmware, I need to rename the sandisk firmware.mi4 to OF.mi4, and place it in SYSTEM, right? 02.00.35 # Soap: email address, I'm guessing. 02.00.51 Join webguest46 [0] (i=4a469c81@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-eadbbf6755748fca) 02.00.54 # still, to put those two together. 02.01.05 # true 02.01.11 # dmhall 02.01.23 # is my alter-ego that well know? ;) 02.01.29 # sorry, i didn't see the questions because i keep getting deisconnected for some reason 02.04.33 Join RudMan [0] (n=RudMan@ool-182fb504.dyn.optonline.net) 02.06.47 Quit webguest46 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 02.10.05 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 02.11.48 Quit Marslyr ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518]") 02.16.38 Join webguest46 [0] (i=4a469c81@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-fdf12a92ce8bd6d1) 02.17.54 Quit webguest46 (Client Quit) 02.18.02 Join webguest46 [0] (i=4a469c81@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-334edb81d6b59e87) 02.20.35 # i'm back 02.31.16 # i have the torrent downloading and it is moving much faster. Thanks everyone 02.31.31 # anyone know what the right syntax for new files is for those "$Id: pcm-coldfire.c....$" lines 02.31.40 Join {NV}AimLXJ [0] (n=_@adsl-71-147-5-209.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) 02.31.55 # <{NV}AimLXJ> Wow o.O 02.32.02 # linuxstb: who is the pnx0101 porter? Linus Nielsen Feltzing? 02.33.30 # No, Tomek Malesinski 02.33.42 # I'll put the moved code under his (C) 02.34.00 # Yes, sounds right. 02.34.35 # BTW, how's your port going? 02.36.01 # kkurbjun has barely gotten the bootloader working 02.36.18 # our platf can only load a few KB straight from the orig firmware 02.36.22 # What port is this? 02.36.23 # so we might do a two-stage load 02.36.26 # m:robe 500i 02.36.30 # Ah, right 02.38.08 # <{NV}AimLXJ> Can someone help me? 02.38.23 # only if you ask a question... 02.38.59 # <{NV}AimLXJ> Well, I'm using a Sansa E260 player and it takes so long to recharge with the original firmware, howcome? 02.39.15 # how long 02.39.24 # <{NV}AimLXJ> Aobve 6 hours 02.39.58 # This isn't really a place for questions about the original firmware, though. 02.40.17 # <{NV}AimLXJ> I know but after I installed RockBox the recharging takes so long. 02.40.50 # Try uninstalling Rockbox and seeing if the charging still takes long, them. 02.40.51 # then 02.41.04 # <{NV}AimLXJ> But I wanna keep my RockBox :O 02.41.31 # Yes but you should verify whether it's Rockbox causing the problem... 02.42.13 # eigma: So how do you run code? Some kind of exploit in the original firmware? 02.42.52 # <{NV}AimLXJ> Does the bootloader have to do with anything? 02.43.17 # <{NV}AimLXJ> Because from a majority on people over a forum has the same problem. 02.43.26 # <{NV}AimLXJ> on=of* 02.43.59 # {NV}AimLXJ: Well, someone who's experiencing the problem needs to do proper testing, and fill in a proper bug report afterward. 02.48.37 Part {NV}AimLXJ 02.50.30 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@bas3-montreal28-1177918709.dsl.bell.ca) 02.50.32 Quit webguest46 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.50.47 Quit Llorean (Remote closed the connection) 02.51.03 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@cpe-70-113-103-34.austin.res.rr.com) 02.52.31 # linuxstb: shirour, one of the original developers on the m:robe, modified a firmware image to execute code out of an SVG file 02.53.44 # That was nice of him... ;) 02.53.49 # hehe 02.53.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.54.01 # I assume he isn't an Olympus employee any more then? 02.54.09 # hahaha 02.54.26 Join Jasen [0] (i=Jason@ppp-71-142-133-247.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net) 02.57.43 # hi 03.00.38 Part Jasen 03.03.06 # was he expecting a welcoming committee? 03.03.40 # He stayed longer than some people do... 03.04.08 # ones who have failed to grok irc 03.08.36 # I can't get graphics for wps's to work on the c200. 03.08.58 Part linuxstb ("Leaving") 03.09.04 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 03.09.42 Quit miepchen^schlaf ("Verlassend") 03.12.40 # maxkelley: Can you get them to work on other targets? 03.13.58 # is there to a way to see the 4 weeks of commits still? 03.14.54 # The page is still in the same place, just not linked. 03.18.00 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 03.21.29 Quit newbyx86 () 03.22.50 Join newbyx86 [0] (n=newby@ip68-7-12-123.sd.sd.cox.net) 03.23.39 Part hcs 03.26.01 Join kkurbjun [0] (n=kkurbjun@c-67-166-49-171.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 03.26.14 Join saratoga [0] (i=98039a9c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f0ddd02762f3a060) 03.29.10 # linuxstb: I can't remember, did I already ask you about APEV2 tags? 03.29.58 # No 03.30.12 # (not that I can remember at least...) 03.30.57 # ok then :) 03.31.12 # what was the reason the APEV2 for MP3 patch wasn't accepted ? 03.31.40 # I haven't found a good explination 03.33.01 # IIUC, 1) There are philosphical objections - APE tags don't belong on MP3 files. 2) Plus technical - it shouldn't be necessary to perform extra seeks and disks reads to check for APE tags, but the fact that the id3 code is still in firmware/ and the ape code is in apps/ means they can't be unified easily. 03.33.51 # linuxstb: looking at it now, I don't believe it will cause an extra seek, since the patch seems to only look for APEv2 tags after a looking for ID3v1 03.34.14 # since the APEV2 tag comes before the ID3v1 tag, it would already be in buffer 03.34.40 # I thought apev2 tags are at the end of the file? 03.34.51 # yes, immediately before the ID3v1 tag 03.35.01 # No, afterwards... 03.35.11 # no before 03.35.18 # ID3v1 is always the last 128 bytes of the file 03.36.45 # Do we always check for ID3v1, or only if v2 isn't found or "v1 before v2" is set for the priority? 03.37.17 # i think the current patch (if I understand it correctly) only searches for an APEv2 tag if ID3v2 fails 03.38.04 # so searching for an APEv2 tag should never happen seperately from an ID3v1 tag 03.38.11 # It's been a long time since I looked at it, but doesn't the patch read the end of the file twice - once in id3.c and once in metadata.c ? 03.38.43 # linuxstb: do you mean metadata.c? 03.39.51 # Yes... (as the code was before it was split). 03.41.01 # linuxstb: I couldn't remember if they were the same 03.41.08 # but no, it only reads the file in ape.c 03.41.23 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@bas3-montreal28-1177918709.dsl.bell.ca) 03.41.25 # although, all mp3 files without an ID3v2 tag would be searched for an APEv2 tag 03.41.45 # i suppose thats obvious though 03.42.32 # anyway the patch seems quite harmless to non-ape users 03.42.51 # So there won't be any extra disk reads for non-ape users? 03.42.52 # it jsut does single read from a part of the file that must be in buffer, and branches back if nothing is found 03.43.40 # get_metadata() does direct disk reads - not reads from the buffer. 03.44.11 Quit newbyx86 () 03.44.46 # linuxstb: heres the check 03.44.47 # (ecread(fd, &header, 1, APETAG_HEADER_FORMAT, IS_BIG_ENDIAN) != APETAG_HEADER_LENGTH) 03.45.01 # i assumed thats from the audio buffer, but if not, then it would be a problem 03.45.55 # || (memcmp(header.id, "APETAGEX", sizeof(header.id))) 03.46.06 Join newbyx86 [0] (n=newby@ip68-7-12-123.sd.sd.cox.net) 03.46.08 # (sorry, didn't realize that the second line didn't paste) 03.46.16 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2598?getfile=14129 03.46.18 # No. Plus the same functions are used when building the database... 03.47.51 # linuxstb: ok that makes a lot of sense 03.48.10 # for some reason I thought tags were read directly from the audio buffer 03.48.37 # No, and even if they were, tracks longer than the buffer wouldn't have the tags in RAM... 03.48.59 Quit Pyromancer (Remote closed the connection) 03.49.13 # get_metadata() is called independently to the file buffering - before the track is loaded, and in advance for the next track. 03.49.23 Quit gromit` (Remote closed the connection) 03.50.24 # its not worth trying to run that seek out of the buffer if possible? 03.50.58 # I'm not sure what you mean. 03.51.27 # sorry, I mean since we load tracks into the audio buffer anyway, why not read the metadata then 03.51.39 # in order to save that extra seek 03.52.03 Quit actionshrimp ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )") 03.52.09 # or i suppose in the case of mp3, several seeks as you go through the tag flavors it supports 03.52.23 # Because it's too late - you need the metadata before the end of the file is buffered. 03.52.31 # (to display in the WPS). 03.52.59 # that makes sense 03.53.21 # linuxstb: I'm having trouble reproducing this clean build: http://build.rockbox.org/showlog.cgi?date=20070909T224748Z&type=iriver%20IFP7xx%20-%20Simulator ping me when you have a sec? 03.53.27 # so a proper apev2 patch must somehow do the check for the apev2 tag and the check for id3v1 at the same time? 03.54.16 # saratoga: I believe so. But id3v1 tags are only checked for when there is no id3v2 tag... 03.54.43 # linuxstb: shoot, nevermind 03.54.57 # eigma: OK. 03.56.24 # ApeV2 tags would need another priority setting then. 04.00.10 Quit qweru ("moo") 04.01.52 # linuxstb: I was thinking of simplying ignoring APEv2 tags if theres an ID3v2 tag present 04.02.19 # in that case its almost certainly just a left over tag from mp3gain 04.02.21 Join Pyromancer [0] (i=DeepInTh@c-24-63-23-50.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 04.02.51 # since virtually all real apev2 tag writers are id3v2 aware and strip the tags anyway 04.04.12 # where can I find a list of the platform IDs for the columns on build.rockbox.org? 04.04.51 # anyway, i have to get some sleep 04.05.01 # i will look into this further another day 04.05.04 # thanks for the info 04.06.49 # okay, actually, what I want to do is run a local build server just for myself to make sure that my changes don't break anything 04.07.14 # I know APE isn't "supposed" to be on MP3, but one of the popular programs (Foobar) used to default to ID3v1 and APE instead of ID3v1 and ID3v2. 04.07.47 # And yes, I know that just because someone else did it wrong doesn't mean Rockbox should do it wrong as well. 04.07.50 # Used to, though. 04.07.52 # and mp3gain still does unfortunately 04.08.37 # which is annoying, since the two apps that support replaygain on windows both support APEV2 04.08.46 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC") 04.08.53 # Foobar 0.8.3 even went so far as to default to removing ID3v2 and replacing them with APE whenever a file operation was performed. 04.09.32 # Foobar 0.8.3 even would write ID3v2 replaygain tags, you just had to turn off the APE default. 04.09.36 # Isn't ID3v1 vs v2 the only case where we have multiple tagging formats support? 04.09.46 # * Llorean use 0.8.3 w/ ID3v2 replaygain. :) 04.18.42 Quit Llorean (Remote closed the connection) 04.18.57 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@cpe-70-113-103-34.austin.res.rr.com) 04.19.20 Quit Llorean (Remote closed the connection) 04.19.37 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@cpe-70-113-103-34.austin.res.rr.com) 04.29.25 Join ajp [0] (n=ajp@pool-71-96-143-80.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) 04.30.00 # where do I get acbuild.pl? 04.31.52 Quit ajp (Client Quit) 04.35.34 # Badger: ping 04.37.42 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@c-71-205-0-132.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 04.41.34 Join WalkGood [0] (i=WalkGood@adsl-225-51-240.mia.bellsouth.net) 04.42.07 Join breihan [0] (n=breihan@adsl-75-9-38-122.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) 04.45.53 Quit SirFunk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.46.29 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@206-159-155-246.netsync.net) 04.53.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.00.46 Part WalkGood 05.09.40 Quit RudMan (Remote closed the connection) 05.15.36 Join bb [0] (n=bb@unaffiliated/bb) 05.27.34 Quit bb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.36.24 Quit BigBambi (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 05.36.39 Join webguest63 [0] (i=4a4c8083@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-87db32f5839ff2c9) 05.37.23 Quit webguest63 (Client Quit) 05.53.30 # eigma, what do you need acbuild for? 05.54.53 # * chrisjs169 has a copy 05.56.51 Join RudMan [0] (n=RudMan@ool-182fb504.dyn.optonline.net) 06.00.45 # I just wanted to see how it scripted configure 06.00.51 # I ended up just rolling my own 06.04.44 Quit RudMan (Remote closed the connection) 06.14.35 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@66.172.231.192) 06.14.49 Quit advcomp2019 (Nick collision from services.) 06.14.56 Nick advcomp2019_ is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@66.172.231.192) 06.19.45 Quit breihan ("Leaving") 06.28.24 Join Aaron [0] (n=Aaron@216-80-16-144.prs-bsr1.chi-prs.il.cable.rcn.com) 06.28.32 # Hey 06.29.54 # I'm working on learning C++ and I was wondering how it differs from C. Is C better for hardware that isn't running an operating system? 06.30.18 # C is traditionally used for OS code 06.30.25 # i would suggest you join a channel such as #c for that 06.30.43 # actually, that makes a lot of sense 06.31.18 # Alright, well I just wanted to confirm that C++ couldn't be used with Rockbox 06.32.37 Quit eigma () 06.38.42 Join hermonski [0] (i=815e061e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-03525b9e5edd668b) 06.40.21 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 06.41.39 # scorche - Have you ever come across any online resources that explain how to go about learning how to interact with basic hardware, like a Hello World tutorial for an Ipod. 06.42.59 # i very much doubt that one exists...there is much involved in the matter including getting your code to run, being able to write to the lcd, etc 06.43.45 Quit Aaron ("Snak 5.3.1 Unregistered copy. Evaluation period is over. Program will now quit. 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I'm disappointed ;) 08.37.48 # docgonzo: there are a few guides in the wiki 08.38.22 # GodEater: lol, i always feel like a n00b asking basic questions, so like to apologise in advance for possible stupidity :) 08.40.33 # hermonski: well, it wasn't stupid, but it *has* been answered a lot on the rockbox forums in the last week or so... 08.41.10 # ah, substitute 'stupid' for 'annoying' then 08.41.24 # :-) 08.41.39 Part kkurbjun 08.43.04 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 08.43.27 Quit eigma () 08.43.41 # * GodEater notes that Toshiba have now managed to cram 120GB on a single platter 1.8" drive apparently 08.44.08 # * scorche notes that is the third time it has been brought up in here 08.44.30 # (slashdot carries news slowly) 08.45.31 # is there a particular reason there won't be a version for the classic "for a very very long time"? (i haven't been able to connect to the forums all day, keep getting a 'server busy' error, so aplogies for not searching there first) 08.45.53 # hermonski: it requires an entirely new port 08.46.02 # ah. thank you 08.46.28 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-208-127.student.uu.se) 08.50.26 Join Wiwie [0] (n=goddi@86-41-101-233.b-ras2.lmk.limerick.eircom.net) 08.50.26 # hermonski: in brief, it's entirely new hardware, so although cosmetically similar to previous ipods on the outside, it's NOTHING like them on the inside. This hardware is completely undocumented. We're also working on the assumption that Apple have encrypted their own firmware on it too, as they did with the 2nd Gen Nano, which makes reverse engineering nigh on impossible. 08.53.00 Join circusbear [0] (i=47ca565a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-242d68ea7386cb8a) 08.53.36 Quit circusbear (Client Quit) 08.53.41 Join circusbear [0] (i=47ca565a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4b988be4c381c459) 08.53.46 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.dsl.t-2.net) 08.54.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.56.08 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF78A6.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.56.21 # GodEater: many thanks for that. it's a shame really, as i know i'm not the only one who will not buy an ipod because of the awful software it uses (not to mention having to run itunes, ugh). can't fully figure the logic there, but it seems to erap them plenty of financial rewards 08.56.38 # ^reap 08.57.13 # hermonski: you underestimate the power of sheep herding 08.58.41 Quit circusbear ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 08.59.50 Join circusbear [0] (i=47ca565a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-75f7edfc14801f5d) 08.59.56 # hello? 09.00.10 # moshi moshi 09.00.22 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 09.00.43 # i really wish i didn't. i just can't believe that not one developer at apple at some point paused and said 'you know, maybe we're forcing people to use this thing in only one particular way, that isn't overly friendly' 09.01.37 # guess i'd better start MY OWN mp3 company and out-sell ipods. that'll show them 09.02.09 # Im having trouble loading rockbox onto my player] 09.02.19 # circusbear: which model? 09.02.37 # hermonski: good luck with that :-) 09.02.42 # circusbear: what trouble are you having? 09.03.08 Join B4gder [0] (n=daniel@static-213-115-255-230.sme.bredbandsbolaget.se) 09.03.23 # e206r 09.04.01 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.04.07 # circusbear: you are a brave man trying to install on the r model ;-) 09.04.26 # sanspatcher dosn't find my player 09.04.38 # circusbear: you must follow the instructions in the wiki 09.04.46 # *EXACTLY* 09.04.47 # after extracting .rockbox into the player directory 09.04.50 # as I said in my reply to your post on the forums... 09.05.01 # circusbear: are you sure your player is set to MSC mode? 09.05.20 # whats wrong with this model? 09.05.22 # be be warned...read all of it before you try, and if you are uncomfortable with any of it, do not install it as the recovery procedure is just as hard as installing rockbox 09.05.30 # hm... when i plug in my sansa to my winxp box, the player shows the USB cable-icon, but windows doesn't make any attempt to detect it... 09.05.53 # circusbear: it is... slightly different 09.05.53 # docgonzo: you must boot into the OF to connect 09.05.57 Quit lazka (Remote closed the connection) 09.05.59 # rockbox didn't seem that hard to install on the sansa player. 09.06.13 # don't confuse e200 with e200R 09.06.15 # docgonzo: it is a different procedure for the Rs 09.06.15 # notice the R 09.06.18 # AH... the OF firmware. how do you select which to boot when you first turn on the player. 09.06.27 # hold << 09.06.29 # yea, the e200 is pretty straight-forward from what i read/did. 09.06.41 # the type -R for rahpsody, right? 09.06.46 # **rhapsody 09.06.52 # yep 09.07.07 # i'm sure it's got some special DRM-crap for it, or something, right? 09.07.24 # exactly 09.07.34 # circusbear: what instructions did you follow? 09.07.41 # scorche: how do you choose which firmware to boot at the player startup/boot? 09.07.48 # so where does it talk about how to instal with r 09.07.50 # these? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200RInstallationFromWindows 09.08.05 # docgonzo: i just told you 09.08.17 # LinusN: no no! 09.08.23 # no? 09.08.35 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200RInstallation 09.08.40 # link to that one first =) 09.08.47 # yeah, definitely don't start with the windows ones 09.08.48 # in the forum circusbear says he has mac os 09.09.06 # we already had one person do that step without the first step, and i dont wish for that to happen again 09.09.16 # i see 09.09.47 # ah... i see; sorry, i thought it was a typographical error. 09.10.00 # circusbear: follow my link and pay attention to that red text ;) 09.11.21 # thanks for answering my questions all. enjoy. :) 09.11.37 # can I do that first part on my mac? 09.11.54 Part hermonski 09.12.09 # circusbear: good question... 09.12.37 # i guess we will have to have someone test that.. 09.12.55 # linuxstb: do you know if anyone has tried e200tool on a mac? 09.13.08 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 09.14.32 # I dont think I can do the linux part 09.14.40 # i'm running that video test on teh wiki with the elephant_dream mpeg. 09.14.44 # then dont try =) 09.14.46 # good stuff. neat animation. 09.14.59 # circusbear: if you can't do it, then you can't run rockbox on your sansa, so don't do any of the steps at all 09.15.01 # i haven't tried to mount this player on my linux notebook. 09.15.20 Quit Wiwie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.15.49 # i got my ipod_mini to mount and read/write without trouble. i haven't tried it with the rockbox firmware... ::thinks:: maybe it would be worth trying on that player 09.16.26 # it won't mount whilst running rockbox, it'll just reboot into disk mode 09.17.06 # so you will still need to boot the original firmware to access the disk? 09.17.13 # Could you work on a zip that has all that done 09.17.13 # yes 09.17.18 # docgonzo: currently yes 09.17.24 # then you can extract it 09.17.38 # circusbear: if by "zip" you mean, "an easier install process", then yes - we are 09.17.54 # circusbear: we only got the R series working with Rockbox last week - it's still early days 09.18.12 # zip is short for "ze iiieser process" :-) 09.21.28 # B4gder: go stand in the corner 09.21.58 # * B4gder selects the shiny corner without the bars on the window 09.22.35 Quit circusbear ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 09.22.39 # we have windows in here ? 09.22.50 # * GodEater thought this was a linux only channel 09.22.50 # * petur looks away 09.22.52 # boom boom 09.23.02 # tish 09.23.03 # * GodEater elects to stand in the corner opposite BAgder 09.23.06 # you forgot the tish.. 09.23.11 # silly bugger 09.23.17 # JdGordon: I knew you'd supply it for me ;) 09.23.31 # * petur woners why JdGordon needs a table 09.23.36 # *wonders 09.23.55 Mode "#rockbox +v B4gder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 09.23.59 Mode "#rockbox +v GodEater " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 09.24.04 # hahaha 09.24.23 # petur: which language is tish table? 09.24.29 # German 09.24.34 # ok, 12:30am here in California,USA. I'm heading off to join the woman in bed. good night and thank you for all the help! 09.24.38 # ok, that would make sense 09.24.58 # +v is the poor humour award for today 09.25.01 # docgonzo: pics or it didnt happen :p 09.25.10 # :-) 09.25.38 Quit nerochiaro (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.25.41 # yea, i think tonight we're gonna slip in and doze off... she's been studying for generals and i've got the office in the morning :-) 09.25.54 # how's it going with the USB support for Sansa e200 series? May i expect it to work in future? 09.26.02 # GodEater: something like that... 09.26.08 # in-jane: expecting it to work is a good bet 09.26.16 # in-jane: as for when, that's a different question 09.26.38 # and i've got my Beer Judge Certification Program tuesday night in LA :-) 6 weeks, then the national beer judge exam, and i'll be a certified judge :-) 09.26.41 # ok. nice! 09.27.07 # * petur bows 09.27.19 # we just finished bottling 5 gallons of raspberry lambic this weekend and cleaned up the kitchen ::grin:: i love a woman that helps me homebrew. 09.27.23 # but at least we got all the nice beers :p 09.27.45 # docgonzo: where in CA? =P 09.27.50 Join ddalton [0] (n=daniel@203-214-50-20.dyn.iinet.net.au) 09.27.52 # We're in Santa Barbara 09.27.56 # petur: that would have been a Tisch ;) 09.28.10 # LinusN: around? 09.28.15 # pixelma: I know, but close enough ;) 09.28.26 # ddalton: sort of 09.28.33 # docgonzo: ack... 09.28.41 # LinusN: how did you go with that alarm patch? 09.28.48 # ack ? 09.28.55 # haven't worked on it since last time 09.28.57 # Next week we're thinking of starting a Boddington's clone or some other type of English Bitter -esq. something lighter and crisper than the last two batches we've done. 09.29.13 # ack as in too far for me to drive for beer 09.29.19 # ok any ideas on what I could do to get it working properly? 09.29.45 # when i first moved out here a few months ago, i started a traditional meade. it's at about 10%abv and we got 9 750ml bottles left to age out for a bit, then the 5gallons of raspberry lambic that we bottled this weekend. 09.30.05 # ddalton: not really 09.30.08 # back home in FL i had a 5gallon corney keg of a newcastle clone i brewed. i had to dump most of it before i left. 09.30.18 # *mead 09.30.20 # * JdGordon wonders if docgonzo knows this is a on-topic channel 09.30.23 # :-) 09.30.24 # sorry. 09.30.31 # beer is always on-topic... 09.30.34 # :-) 09.30.36 # yup ;) 09.30.41 # haha 09.30.41 # i'll go to rockbox-community next time ;-) 09.30.45 Mode "#rockbox +v JdGordon " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 09.30.50 # woohoo! 09.30.52 # lol 09.30.56 # BeerBox 09.31.01 # one corner left kids 09.31.13 # i figured beer and late late nights molesting partially-beta firmware on expensive DAP go hand-in-hand 09.31.17 # docgonzo: well, if you ever are in a mood to share, i am about 2 hours 17 min away =) 09.31.35 # scorche: get a faster car 09.31.37 # :-) scorche, you're welcome to come to SBCA and we'll down a few pints. 09.31.44 # where in CA are you? 09.31.49 # 9:31am here, at work, perfect time for beer! ;-P 09.31.49 # costa mesa 09.31.59 # N or S of SB ? 09.32.13 # i'm kinda familiar with SB to LA (not to much outside of that area). 09.32.16 # * GodEater is currently down a caffeinated beer known colloquially as "coffee" 09.32.46 # coffee? i used that to clean my pistol brass. cleans real nice and leaves a glossy shine to 'em. 09.32.48 # http://maps.google.com/maps?q=santa+barbara,+CA+to+costa+mesa,+ca&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wl 09.33.12 # docgonzo: I suspect not this particular brew 09.33.15 # it's more like tar :) 09.33.49 # scorche - oh , cool. i have a friend who works for ticketmaster in their coding/design office off wilshire and lives in/around hawthorne. 09.34.01 # he's a linux-nerd, too 09.34.14 # see...now we are straying off-topic 09.34.31 # i don't really want to spoil the fun, but i really think we should stay on topic 09.34.40 # GodEater: nothing like the smell of coffee and HoppeNo9 in the morning. 09.34.44 # ok... rockbox 09.34.46 # rockbox 09.34.53 # rockbox rockbox.... rockbox? 09.34.56 # ::grin:: 09.34.57 # docgonzo: feel free to join #rockbox-community and continue 09.35.58 # ok. i'm feeling free to join #mywomaninbed. I thank you all for your help and conversation. Catch y'all on the flipside, guys. 09.37.20 Quit cendres ("Lost terminal") 09.39.16 Quit ddalton ("leaving") 09.39.17 Mode "#rockbox -vvv JdGordon GodEater B4gder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 09.42.34 Quit docgonzo () 09.43.44 Join kasba [0] (n=kasba@194.167.154.18) 09.43.48 # bip 09.43.53 # blop 09.44.52 # is it possible to use my rockbox running on ipod 5G with ext3 FS instead of FAT32 ? 09.45.00 # no 09.45.20 # :(( grrrrr 09.51.41 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust362.winn.cable.ntl.com) 09.52.30 # Quick question - does the website still have a page for the last 4 weeks commits? 09.52.40 # yes, although not linked-to atm 09.52.49 # Hmm, that was my most-used page 09.52.58 # http://www.rockbox.org/since-4weeks.html 09.58.02 Join Siltaar [0] (n=Siltaar@reverse-52.fdn.fr) 09.58.14 Join pondlife1 [0] (n=Miranda@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust362.winn.cable.ntl.com) 09.58.36 # Hmm, lost broadband for a while... 09.59.41 Quit pondlife (Nick collision from services.) 09.59.50 Nick pondlife1 is now known as pondlife (n=Miranda@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust362.winn.cable.ntl.com) 10.00.39 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c58-109-97-210.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au) 10.00.59 # Has there been much discussion about the home page? If so, which date? Don't want to rehash stuff... 10.01.27 # pondlife: it has mostly been met with a "talk to zagor" 10.02.02 # * pondlife will talk to Zagor then 10.02.18 # Zagor: Any chance of reverting to the old home page ;) 10.02.45 # anyone know which mailing list zagor watches? prob not a good idea if everyone talks to him speratly.. 10.03.07 # * GodEater prefers the new page 10.03.15 # JdGordon and i were thinking possibly the committers list, but we dont knwo if he watches it... 10.03.25 # GodEater: oh, i do too...it just needs a few adjustments 10.03.32 # I like it all being on there, but would prefer the old subversion table (with comments) 10.03.41 # mostly in the SVN table 10.03.46 # And prefer the tables to be below each other, not side-by-side. 10.04.01 # makes the page too long 10.04.08 # could they not be 'floated'? 10.04.17 # I prefer it like this, and a link to each for more detail 10.04.20 # and the recent.html page should have bookmarks things so the links on the frontpage dont all link to the top of hte page 10.04.22 # Hmm, don't know what resolution you use, but I have to scroll both ways now 10.04.50 # 1280x1024 10.04.54 # make the SVN table as it was before, and i am largely fine 10.04.57 # pondlife: if they were floated then they'd stack if you've not got room 10.05.31 # Try it at 800x600... 10.05.34 # except for the fact that it's a very heavy table layout :( 10.05.42 # pondlife: eek...really? 10.05.46 # pondlife: I wouldn't dream of it 10.05.50 # that's a daft res to run 10.05.52 # with nested tables :( 10.06.01 # Oh, yes. I'm seriously not good in the eyesight dept. 10.06.04 # morrijr: no-one uses nested tables any more :) 10.06.08 # And at 1280 there's a big gap on the side 10.06.14 # pondlife: get a bigger monitor! 10.06.17 # GodEater: take a look at the code... 10.06.25 # morrijr: hence the ":)" 10.06.33 # ah 10.06.52 # morrijr: it *should* be done with
tags 10.06.54 # I'll try 1280x1024 - my monitors are capable of it. 10.07.11 # GodEater: agreed. I thought it was when I first saw it 10.07.27 # Zagor is a self confessed non-webpage designer though 10.07.51 Join k-man_ [0] (n=jason@unaffiliated/k-man) 10.07.59 # im just waiting for the usual "submit a patch" reply 10.08.06 # funny that a lot people now discuss the other way round... when talking to Zagor Friday night, a lot agreed that the new page doesn't look good on larger resolutions... 10.08.09 # i want to get rockbox to read the ipod files/database 10.08.12 # how do i enable that? 10.08.30 # Someone needs to make an AJAX web 2.0 streaming live update frontpage :) 10.08.32 # k-man_: it won't read the ipod database 10.08.40 # Hmm, at 1280x1024 it looks better laid out. Pity the font sizes are fixed (or don't follow whatever IE does when you specify "Largest" font). 10.08.43 # k-man_: but you can get it to read the ipod files - just look in the manual 10.08.47 # pixelma: it has a bit of empty space in 1600x1200 10.08.48 # pixelma: at 1680x1050 it looks pretty bad 10.09.02 # but as long as teh SVN table is back tot he way it was, i am happy 10.09.15 # in my eyes it already looks bad at 1280x1024... 10.09.25 # GodEater: oh, ok 10.09.48 # and I've been told "just don't browse full-screen"... 10.10.00 # If the tables were below each other, and just used the entire width, that would be KISS too. Sponsors could go back on the right too... (almost back the old layout though!) 10.10.37 # GodEater: ok, ill check that 10.10.41 # also, shouldnt the recent posts from the forum go on the frontpage also? 10.10.49 # too much information all on the front page is not KISS 10.11.00 # pondlife: read Friday evening's (early Saturday's) log 10.11.06 # Will do 10.11.30 # GodEater: what section should i look in for info on that? 10.11.50 # k-man_: Database 10.11.53 # ok 10.12.35 # speaking of advetising... B4gder did anyhing happen with your planned ads? 10.12.36 Join gromit` [0] (i=gromit@ras75-5-82-234-244-69.fbx.proxad.net) 10.12.51 # so i loaded a whole bunch of songs onto the ipod using itunes, should i just run the update now so that rockbox finds them? 10.12.52 # GodEater: I wouldn't object to removing the tables from the front page completely - just have the top 5 MajorChanges/news items maybe? Sooper-simple. 10.13.05 # pondlife: that would be nicer I think 10.13.31 # for everyone that wants to see all those tables, having the page they're on as a favourite wouldn't be too onerous I don't think 10.13.41 # but I don't think it's great to have them all on the front page 10.13.42 # Then have a recent changes page like the current home page, but with the data laid out like before (i.e. SVN comments) 10.13.49 # but last time I ventured that opinion Llorean shouted at me :) 10.14.06 # Currently it's neither simpler nor more useful (to me) 10.14.14 # But I'll read the logs and re-understand. 10.14.47 # for people who prefer the last version of the "old look" http://www.rockbox.org/main_old.shtml ;:P 10.14.48 # I don't (yet) use a screen reader, but wonder how well JAWS would cope with the current layout. 10.14.54 # GodEater: Which opinion? 10.15.05 # Llorean: that we should have a more user friendly front page :) 10.15.09 # pixelma: Thanks! 10.15.13 # less developer focused 10.15.14 # I'm all for more user friendly 10.15.34 # I wish I'd kept the logs - but you most definitely didn't have that opinion last time the subject came up 10.15.39 # Two front pages, one for users (ww.rockbox.org) and one for devs? 10.15.42 # I ust don't think that less developer focused is a necessary corollary to it. 10.16.07 # pondlife: the dev frontpage just needs the svn changlog on the build table page 10.17.02 # * GodEater thinks the now empty top right corner should feature a nice screenshot of Rockbox in action 10.17.13 # I don't think the mailing list needs to be on any front page really; it's already very accessible via mail/news/RSS. 10.17.29 # Plus the web (or course) 10.17.51 # I think the SVN commits are 100% useless without comments, as developers will want to know why those files changed, and users will either make random guesses, or just not care. 10.18.06 # I think the latter for users 10.18.20 # I'd like to see the forums have an RSS feed to 10.18.20 # GodEater: Depends on the user 10.18.28 # 95% of users then 10.18.37 # even users would find the commit message more useful than just the file changed 10.18.38 # We've got enough people who speak up any time ipodpatcher.c changes, or whatever. 10.19.07 # are we still estimating about 30,000 users ? 10.19.20 # No clue 10.19.24 # Users would find the comments useful, but not the filenames, I'd think. 10.19.27 # * GodEater seems to recall this figure mentioned recently 10.19.36 # I think I count as two or three . 10.19.43 # pondlife: you think "Oops" is useful ? :) 10.19.44 # Considering how much I like it ^_^ 10.19.58 # GodEater: Yes! It means don't download! 10.20.04 # hehe 10.20.16 # pondlife: no it doesn't - it means don't download the commit from before the oops surely ? 10.20.17 # GodEater: that was a random number i pulled out of...well...somewhere, but it is my guess (likely way off) 10.20.29 # That's what I mean 10.20.37 # I think it's a reasonable guess 10.20.57 # GodEater: we dont really have all that many oops commits.... 10.20.58 # GodEater: http://forums.rockbox.org//index.php?type=rss;action=.xml;limit=20 10.21.14 # Llorean: neat - it was already there and I didn't know ? 10.21.26 # Yeah, I didn't know until 2 minutes ago 10.21.40 # GodEater: http://www.scribbledesigns.co.uk/2007/01/23/get-rss-feeds-for-any-simple-machines-forum/ 10.21.49 # You can customize the URL a bit to add various constraints or whatnot 10.22.13 # $ svn log | grep oops | wc -l 10.22.13 # 191 10.22.15 # :p 10.22.29 # * GodEater adds it to google reader 10.22.38 # JdGordon: "grep -i" please 10.22.58 # 336 10.23.06 # that's better :) 10.23.08 # -i is case insensitive i guess? 10.23.13 # yes 10.23.23 # and now your typos please "Ops" and "Ooops" ? 10.23.25 # :) 10.23.31 # I think the front page could settle for four things: A paragraph describing what Rockbox is/does (shortened Why Rockbox) including a link to the players it runs on, MajorChanges, News, and Sponsors. 10.23.39 # and add to that 'fix red', 'fix yellow', ... 10.23.54 # At the very bottom of the front page could also be the actual SVN commits, out of sight of any "user" who doesn't scroll down 10.24.01 # petur: lets have that as a proper regexp then 10.24.07 Join obo [0] (n=obo@rockbox/developer/obo) 10.24.16 # I still think we should include a screenshot too 10.24.33 # possibly a randomly selected one from "themes" that changes whenever someone visits :) 10.24.43 # I agree. But maybe after we've updated the default theme :) 10.24.49 # let's make an animated gif from some themes.... 10.24.52 # GodEater: Above the sponsors, top right corner? 10.24.58 # yep 10.25.02 # petur: No animation, please. 10.25.19 # pondlife: no no - not after we've updated the default theme. That means "Never" :) 10.25.23 # * JdGordon fails @ regexp 10.25.26 # Hence my :) 10.25.48 # Seriously, some dictator should just update the default theme. 10.26.02 # GodEater: thats what I was tihnking, a random screeny would be cool 10.26.05 # yeah - it's clear democracy is not needed there 10.26.13 # it just fails completely 10.26.14 # I have no strong opinion other than the current one is unimpressive. 10.26.25 # unimpressive is a kind thing to say about it :) 10.26.30 # Indeed 10.26.37 # * JdGordon likes the cabbie theme 10.26.51 # "massively underwhelming" would be my choice 10.26.58 # if we want the default to look about the same on most targets 10.27.05 # * GodEater wonders if *anyone* keeps the default except blind people 10.27.20 # amiconn? 10.27.22 # :) 10.27.24 # hehehe 10.27.26 # ssssh 10.27.57 # I think the default theme should at LEAST have the peakmeters removed on swcodecs 10.28.04 # * pondlife updates his sim with jhMikeS and amiconn's good work 10.28.08 # * petur wonders why icatcher never made it to default - it exists for most targets 10.28.16 # aliask: why? they arnt a problem on all targets 10.28.17 # aliask: Why, they work on 6 of the swcodec targets, at least 10.28.18 # yeah, iCatcher is a good enough default 10.28.25 # * pondlife agrees 10.28.32 # Llorean: but they suck :) 10.28.39 # Because I get CPU issues on my ipod mini on high bitrate files 10.28.51 # btw, are we talking about a new hard coded default? or just a default for the config file? 10.28.57 # aliask: And the iPod (or portalplayer in general) suffers from "performance problems" 10.28.58 # People who want peak meters can easily select a new theme. 10.29.18 # they don't seem a popular choice for inclusion by most theme authors 10.29.19 # JdGordon: default for config file 10.29.32 # ok then, goodd :) 10.29.36 # GodEater: I honestly think that's because they're not themable, and the majority of themes are made for iPods. 10.29.50 # GodEater: because they are ugly? 10.29.54 # GodEater: I've seen several requests for them to be vertical, or other things like that. 10.30.01 Join skate3214 [0] (n=chatzill@C-59-101-11-32.hay.connect.net.au) 10.30.06 # the default should maybe look as close to the OF as possible.. so we can convert people and they wont realise :p 10.30.13 # all those are good reasons to remove them from the default IMHO 10.30.18 # JdGordon: I disagree 10.30.28 # I disagree with that too 10.30.43 # Or are you trying to go for the "install it on peoples mp3 players while they aren't looking" approach? 10.30.50 # I think that whatever theme is chosen as the default, peakmeters shouldn't really factor in beyond "how do they look as part of it" 10.30.54 # The RB virus? 10.30.58 # GodEater: I keep the default on most of my targets because (1) I'm too lazy to make my own wps and (2) imo none of the shipped or posted wps'es are better than the default 10.31.09 # Hmm, iCatcher seems set up for Album Art, no? 10.31.15 # I just select a somewhat larger (and proportional) font 10.31.17 # I think I owe pondlife a fiver 10.31.34 # not that I was really betting against him 10.31.59 # I'll arm wrestle you for that fiver 10.32.06 # k 10.32.10 # Grnnnnnnnnn 10.32.15 # gloves off this time, I'm not giving you a head start 10.32.16 # And I like wps'es that include peakmeters 10.32.24 # Mmmmrrfff 10.32.29 # *yawn* 10.32.30 # 10.32.42 # OK, just dislocated this time. 10.32.44 # Not so bad. 10.32.49 # nice, I'll put that back in for you 10.32.53 # * pondlife clicks it back in. 10.33.17 # At least the default has all info I want, and doesn't take ages to load 10.33.21 Quit Hadaka (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 10.33.38 # define ages ? 10.33.48 # amiconn: You'd be free to have that still. But it's the reaction of new users that concerns me. 10.34.17 # I've failed to convert 2 friends now, it's quite unfortunate (for them, mainly) 10.34.38 # One primarily on the UI, one on the iPod battery life, really. 10.34.45 # On 2nd gen I use iCatcher because peakmeters aren't so good on PP5002. But iCatcher is annoying in several respects: (1) excessive load time (2) the graphical format indicators mess up (3) no disk indicator 10.34.46 # * GodEater wonders if that's more to do with pondlife spouting on about all the bugs in playback.c 10.34.58 # Hah, no. I keep quiet about them 10.35.10 Quit skate3214 ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007073113]") 10.35.10 # nearly un-converted me when you did 10.35.11 # :) 10.35.19 # hang on... if we ship with default themes... do we want all targets to look the same-ish? 10.35.23 # You're a dev, you should be able to take it. 10.35.30 # JdGordon: Yes 10.35.33 # well given I hadn't even noticed them - yes :) 10.35.35 # But with sensible font sizes 10.35.39 # JdGordon: there's two kinds of "same". Same image, but scaled, or same style. 10.35.42 # that limits our options a fair bit then 10.35.43 # I'd lean toward same style 10.36.14 # The Player will probably be excluded from any change... 10.36.21 # amiconn: for a default I dont think load time is a big deal.. more users are put off by the look than the load time 10.36.22 # the competition we had in the forums pretty much failed 10.36.30 # Same general presentation of information, but for example, on particularly short screens maybe no "Next Song" information, on very tall ones (Portrait) some additional lines that would be "fluff" 10.36.32 # especially coming from OF's where it takes a full minute to be usable 10.36.41 Quit t0mas ("*runs off to work*") 10.36.46 # GodEater: It provided the beginnings of one. =/ 10.36.52 # Llorean: yes - one 10.37.02 # I think load time should still be an important point. 10.37.10 # and I don't think it was nearly as good as iCatcher or Rockboxed 10.37.24 # my only issue with Rockboxed was it was too orange 10.37.27 # otherwise it was a good theme 10.37.51 # if he'd inverted the palette it would have been better 10.37.52 # Honestly, probably the best thing we can do is take the current default, strip the peakmeters, and frame it in a nice looking backdrop. 10.37.55 # How come iCatcher and Rockboxed aren't on http://www.rockbox-themes.org/? 10.38.08 # pondlife: iCatcher is always included... 10.38.29 # isn't Rockboxed too these days ? 10.38.35 # But honestly, one really good looking backdrop can make a huge difference going from "But it's just text on a screen" to "Hey, that looks rather nice" 10.38.36 # Llorean: and larger fonts and nice icons 10.38.41 # JdGordon: Yes. 10.38.53 # Colored icons for color targets, larger fonts for most screens, and a backdrop for the main WPS 10.39.03 # I can't imagine a backdrop making too huge a difference in load time, since it's a single file. 10.39.19 # so anyway - this discussion just proves my point, and we should stick to randomly selected theme images on the front page :) 10.39.33 # Oh, and on color or grayscale targets, a progress bar image. 10.39.43 # Or, it proves my point that we need a dictator! 10.39.51 # though it should probably be from an "elite" subset of all themes 10.39.57 # * Llorean votes himself dictator. 10.39.57 # VIVA LA DICTATOR! 10.39.58 # since some of them suck 10.40.13 # GodEater: Yeah, whatever's rotated on the front page should be hand selected, not random 10.40.26 # The Soap-seal of approval should be mandated at least. 10.40.51 # yeah - they should install from RBUtil cleanly 10.41.21 # * pondlife would like to see the non-compliant themes removed from the wiki anyway, plus the sucky mono-on-colour-target ones 10.41.44 # pondlife: Um, why should mono-on-color-target be removed, just because you don't think they're pretty? 10.41.51 # there's no accounting for taste pondlife 10.42.06 # * JdGordon votes the orange/yellow version of http://www.rockbox-themes.org/data/176x220x16/Passion.png 10.42.07 # True, but they are the sort of thing that gives Rockbox a bad name, IMHO 10.42.10 # pondlife: all themes will eventually be abolished 10.42.14 # Rockboxed, a rather popular theme herabouts, is essentially mono-on-color. 10.42.31 # Yes, but at least it has a colour setting. 10.42.42 # Mad Big Sausage, anyone? 10.43.02 # How does an optional theme give Rockbox a bad name, unless someone goes around saying "This is what Rockbox looks like"? 10.43.10 # yeah - lets leave them be 10.43.16 # It does if it's on the front page 10.43.16 # but just not "advertise" them on the front page 10.43.22 # That's what I mean 10.43.30 # Anyway, anyone up to volunteering to create some nice looking backdrops for the default theme sans peakmeters, at differing font sizes by screen size? :-P 10.43.36 # pondlife: well we already said we'd hand pick whatever gets displayed there 10.43.54 # why are we thinking if displaying themes there? 10.43.58 # of 10.44.09 # scorche: There's a big empty space in the top right corner, and people always ask "What does it look like?" 10.44.11 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/WpsSansaE200/RettumBox.png is the one im tihnkign of 10.44.14 # JdGordon: I'm way more impressed by zippy operation than by looks. I have nothing against good looks, but performance and usability always come first 10.44.29 # * aliask votes for Rocker (e200 theme) 10.44.38 # Llorean: then we forward them to themes.rockbox.org...i dont know about showing a theme on the front page... 10.44.40 # amiconn: How do you feel about default+backdrop then? Think it's slow things down too much? 10.44.43 # amiconn: I agree, but users wont care if it takes an extra second to boot if it looks better by default hen the current 10.44.50 # scorche: Why not, as long as it's an official-build theme? 10.44.55 # But it has no license, and only one target 10.45.07 # Llorean: i just am not sure if that belongs on the front page 10.45.07 # * JdGordon slaps aliask, thats a horrible theme :p 10.45.21 # Horrible?! 10.45.28 # probably stating the obvious - but NO album art ones either! 10.45.30 # Are we thinking of the same one? 10.45.35 # scorche: I think "What does it run on?" "What does it do?" are both important things for the front page, and "What does it do?" includes "What does it look like?" 10.45.44 # aliask: just different tastes... 10.46.17 # I can't even see Rocker on rockbox-themes 10.46.27 # Llorean: absolutely 10.46.34 # GodEater: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/WpsSansaE200?rev=1;filename=rocker.png 10.46.48 # Llorean: yes, but i dont know if just a random picture of a theme will work for that... 10.46.59 # GodEater: But I think "What does it run on" can be linked to from the shortened "What does it do" paragraph 10.47.06 # scorche: we get to pick which "random" ones will show though 10.47.18 # scorche: We were talking about a rotating picture of say our favorite half dozen to dozen themes that work with an official build 10.47.20 # * pondlife guiltily likes the phkTAPE theme... clever, if not that practical. 10.47.31 # Llorean: and what device? 10.47.33 # * Llorean rather likes the one that looks like it was written in pencil 10.47.42 # scorche: I think we should pick a selection 10.47.49 # not just confine to one device 10.47.51 # scorche: My preference is for iPod Video, since 320x240 offers good visibility 10.48.06 # GodEater: We probably should, otherwise the box will be varying sizes 10.48.13 # Unless we pad smaller images, and skip the Gigabeat 10.48.22 # Llorean: I think padding won't be too tricky 10.48.30 # and why skip the gigabeat ? 10.48.35 # Llorean: but then we leave out other great themes and are saying "if you want your theme to possibly have a chance of being on the front page, make it for the ipod video" 10.48.59 # GodEater: Unless you use a 320x320 box 10.49.19 # either the video or the gigabeat.. depends which one fits better in the space 10.49.29 # More than half the height of poor Pondlife's screen... 10.49.29 # Llorean: since we're only offering a sample - I don't think we need to avoid scaling the images either - although I may change my mind 10.49.49 # pondlife needs to buy a bigger monitor 10.49.51 # scorche: Honestly, they're going to make their themes for their player first anyway. 10.50.02 # scorche: And the Video has the widest selection 10.50.03 # GodEater: My monitors are pretty big already, sadly 10.50.19 # pondlife: 28" already ? :) 10.50.26 # Hah, no 10.50.38 # But my desk isn't big enough for those, nor my room! 10.50.50 # a "Here is what Rockbox can look like:" link would satisfy that fine, but i am still wary of this way 10.51.07 # scorche: Anything we want to be sure users sees needs to not be hidden behind a link, and hopefully be flashy 10.51.23 # scorche: what's your problem with it ? 10.51.28 # A rotating image would do it. We could include all bitmap players except the Gigabeat, I suppose. 10.51.36 # On the topic of themes and soforth, does a standard install come with any icon themes? 10.51.37 # Nothing animated, please. 10.51.52 # Just a random one, each refresh? 10.51.55 # pondlife: rotating as in "it appears different when you hit refresh" 10.51.59 # Ah, ok 10.51.59 # pondlife: That's what I had in mind. 10.52.09 # animated would be horrible 10.52.49 # is it worth putting out a call for people to submit designs of the front page at Rockbox in the forums ? With the caveat that we reserve the right to reject all of them if we don't like them ? 10.53.07 # No, this needs a dictator. 10.53.30 # pondlife: the decision could still be taken by a dictator 10.53.37 # but we might end up with something we really like 10.53.40 # GodEater: people perhaps not realizing it is a random image, favoritizing one player, the general idea 10.53.41 # and we won't know unless we ask 10.53.42 # It would end up like the theme competition... unfinished. 10.53.54 # pondlife: maybe - but there's no harm in trying right ? 10.54.03 # OK, go for it 10.54.05 # and we can still change what we have currently in the meantime 10.54.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.54.14 # GodEater: I'd wait on that 10.54.15 # we need to set rules for how it's done too 10.54.23 # Right now there's no guarantee the front page will be changed. 10.54.26 # somewhat like the slashdot redesign 10.54.34 # Llorean: still doesn't hurt I don't think 10.54.49 # if we put it "we don't guarantee to select anything" it doesn't matter 10.54.56 # It might become like the logo thing, though 10.55.06 # I don't think it will 10.55.07 # I'd rather see effort put into (a) setting up a set of rules for suitable themes (Soap-SOA would probably do) and (b) collecting all suitable themes together (on rockbox-themes.org, preferably). 10.55.15 # People keep bringing it up, and kinda frustrating a few key people who don't think it should change, and have the dictatorship to say so 10.55.20 # putting a well designed web page together is a much more serious undertaking 10.55.29 # pondlife: "suitable"? 10.55.38 # pondlife: what is this for? 10.55.40 # the logo design thing is a bit too easy to do 10.55.40 # pondlife: This was decided long ago, and rockbox-themes.org is almost finished being prepared to become an official site with official themes. 10.55.56 # Indeed, but there are some missing themes. 10.56.16 # I'd say we'd like the page done in proper CSS layout style, and must include features X, Y and Z 10.56.18 # Suitable... say, works on all targets with no patches required. 10.56.30 # pondlife: it will be born anew with tabula rasa 10.56.55 # working on all targets is a tall order for a lot of themes 10.56.56 # pondlife: Authors will have to resubmit, as we're requiring a stated license now. 10.57.15 # But there's no all-target requirement, just patch-free for the main section 10.57.16 # License too.. 10.57.17 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 10.57.17 # pondlife: see copy.rockbox-themes.org...it is finished (unless you have something for it)...it is just waiting for a right time and an overview for security 10.58.50 # it seems you are mentioning many things we went over at DCW, and luckyily at a time when it is ready to be implemented 11.00.15 # is the current page generated with perl ? 11.00.51 # which current page? 11.02.11 # scorche: "Do you have you a theme that is not listed on this site?" sounds like people should submit any theme they have, even other peoples'... was that what was intended? 11.02.31 # no 11.02.43 # Didn't think so, but I haven't been paying much attention 11.03.38 # scorche: www.rockbox.org 11.03.51 # GodEater: then i shall stay silent =) 11.04.55 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 11.05.05 # scorche: I know your site is PHP ;) 11.05.12 # JdGordon: If it would be just one extra second, I wouldn't care. But icatcher needs around 5 seconds on my 2nd gen 11.05.54 # http://pastebin.ca/689851 <-- anything else I should / could add before I try posting this in the forums ? 11.06.19 # amiconn: even 5s is no big deal for the first boot imho 11.06.57 # JdGordon: 5s is a lot for boots. 11.07.12 # GodEater: await lots of "Web 2.0" suggestions 11.07.46 Join JdGordon_ [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 11.08.09 # GodEater: Before you post that, do you know *why* we're not using CSS for layout, or why the menu on the left is not collapsible? 11.08.12 # and from what it is sounding like, it wont be a "best of rockbox themes"...it would be a "best of ipod video rockbox themes" 11.08.14 # scorche: I don't think having it as Web 2.0 is a bad thing provide the design *includes* the work necessary 11.08.33 # scorche: No, it's solely my suggestion that they be ipv themes. 11.08.36 # Llorean: I assume because it's tough to generate it from the perl that runs currently 11.08.57 # nothing is tough for perl 11.09.12 # GodEater: Might want to check for the reasoning first. No sense asking for submissions that will be objected for any technical reason already extant. 11.09.41 # scorche: I don't know why you're so touchy about having any themes displayed on the front page. You seem to be upset that we want them there at all. 11.10.16 # Llorean: that is putting it a little strong...i just dont like the idea much 11.10.20 # Llorean: given that I want to ask for submissions to include the underlying code too I'm not so worried about it 11.10.33 # someone just submitting a photoshop'd front page isn't taking it seriously enough ;) 11.10.49 # GodEater: people might be a little angry if they put a lot of work into it and get shot down entirely (even with warnings) =) 11.11.09 # scorche: since when do we care about angry forum users ? ;) 11.11.17 # haha 11.11.27 # GodEater: jerk! 11.11.28 # JdGordon: It's not the first boot, but every boot. And 5 seconds is around the same as the rest of the boot time, so it's quite annoying 11.11.38 # * GodEater polishes his "Jerk" badge 11.11.47 # GodEater: I'd say wait until the swedes are around, and find out why certain things are the way they are before posting. 11.12.09 # It will be less annoying when I have suspend working though 11.12.54 # * amiconn is always annoyed by boot times. Ideally a dap should boot in <1 second 11.13.01 # amiconn: Regarding wps loading time, if you get chance, could you test the bmp-in-tar patch that's on flyspray? It works, but when both Nico_P and I tested it, it didn't give any noticable speedup, so we didn't try and finish it and commit it. But WPSs load fast (a lot faster than you're reporting) for me anyway (disk fragmentation?). It's FS 6571 11.13.11 # GodEater: One very, very important thing should be to stress that they should strive to make it accessible. 11.13.34 # i dont know how accessible collapsible menus are 11.13.40 # linuxstb: It might be fragmentation plus the older generation 1.8" ´hdds being slow at seeking 11.13.51 # Llorean: you mean for unsighted people for example 11.13.51 # (my 2nd gen has an MK2003GAH) 11.13.58 # GodEater: Exactly. 11.14.01 # scorche: they're only unaccessible if you collapse them 11.14.12 # amiconn: it would only affect the boot time untill its changed.. the idea is to set the default in the config, so you could still go back to the current default 11.14.16 # so the default (should you choose to use them) should not be to have anything hidden 11.14.21 # And collapsible menus that don't start collapsed are little good. :-P 11.14.30 # I disagree 11.14.35 # I don't think there's enough content on that sidebar to make them so, though. 11.14.37 # the /. redesign used them 11.14.53 # and they start out fully displayed, I simple collapse the ones I don't use very often 11.14.56 # JdGordon: I was thinking about a default that's actually usable 11.14.59 # but as you say, it may not even be necessary 11.15.07 # we'll leave that to the designer 11.15.19 # * GodEater is still modifying his draft post with these suggestions btw. 11.16.22 # * aliask never got a response from his espeak mail 11.16.30 # http://pastebin.ca/689871 11.16.57 Quit pondlife (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.17.03 # * JdGordon wonders why amiconn thought we would choose an unsuable default theme? 11.17.46 # JdGordon: 5 seconds every boot is unusable to some of us. 11.17.56 # First I didn't. Your remark regarding "only the first boot" lead me to 11.18.06 # The default should strive to be as nice looking as possible with as low a boot time hit as possible 11.18.14 # * scorche goes to bed 11.18.46 # aliask: I also emailed him about it 11.18.55 # and didn't get a reply 11.19.04 # * GodEater wonders if he should specify that we would allow (for example) PHP submissions if the designer felt he could make it work better that way 11.19.51 # I'm tempted to post on the forums, but I'd prefer a private dialogue... 11.20.19 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 11.20.36 # GodEater: Don't tempt me with PHP :P 11.21.32 # GodEater: what exactly are the problems with the current design? 11.22.45 # the commit message isnt shown! 11.23.11 # that sucks imho 11.23.17 # LinusN: my main issue is the svn table 11.24.04 # aliask: maybe you can post on the forum and make it a general GPLv2 vs GPLv3 question 11.24.05 # LinusN: I don't know that there are problems per se, I just thought it might be nice to see some alternative designs submitted. Someone might come up with something so gobsmackingly good, we really really like it 11.24.35 # The forums do have a certain population of people who claim to be web developers who've offered their services previously - this gives them something to do 11.24.44 # without us committing to using anything 11.24.48 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust362.winn.cable.ntl.com) 11.24.51 # markun: I might do just that then. 11.25.08 # LinusN: do you think that's a bad idea ? 11.25.32 # the problem is that "web design" to many equals "cool graphic design", and not necessarily "effectively conveying planty of information" 11.25.40 # plenty 11.26.01 # I think that with the addition of a "recent activity" page, the front page ought to be streamlined but that's it. 11.26.12 # LinusN: this is why I'm trying to layout a set of rules for what MUST be included 11.26.15 # And as a few have said, the target list can be put on a separate page, preferably with pictures and such 11.26.55 # what we primarily need is a way to structure the information on the front page in a good way 11.27.03 Join bowl [0] (i=c27f0814@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b8ccfdb052dd92b1) 11.27.05 # * Llorean would really like to get rid of every table but "News" and "Major changes" and maybe an SVN log somewhere if it can be made less space-overwhelming. 11.27.08 # LinusN: in the end, if someone submits something which is all sizzle, and not useful - then we just reject it 11.27.39 # linuxstb: ping? 11.27.43 # It would save them wasting their time if we can set some groundrules though 11.28.01 # exactly 11.28.02 # in my opinion a good web designer *knows* that a web page is about information display, and not just about the "ZOMG" factor 11.28.16 # Llorean: I didn't have a problem with the SVN table on the front page - as long as it's at the bottom of the front page. It's the content above the SVN table that's most important. 11.28.29 # http://pastebin.ca/689882 <-- updated again 11.29.07 # linuxstb: Yeah, that's about how I feel 11.29.39 # Any RB web site admins here? Would it be possible to add anchors on the recent.html page? So that it's possible to jump right to the desired place via bookmarks? And one more thing: I think, the Subversion block on the front page should contain not the files changed but rather the comment. Has this already been discussed? If yes, I appologize for bringing this up. 11.30.02 Join seablue [0] (n=s@0x535c1344.banxx3.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) 11.30.04 # bah! 11.30.11 # JdGordon_: bah? 11.30.28 # GodEater: imho, the most important point is the last one, (F) 11.30.43 # LinusN: I'll move that up to the top then 11.31.05 # GodEater: I absolutely agree about the webdesigner statement... but if you look at most current webpages then there are really only a _very_ few around :\ 11.31.09 # linuxstb: i got libusb-win32 installed (the sansa driver), but your e200rpatcher keeps saying the sansa is busy 11.31.11 # bowl: we are discussing it now 11.31.25 # Shouldn't we agree _what_ should be on the page before asking people to design a layout around it? 11.31.36 # linuxstb: of course 11.31.36 # Can the sidebar be changed, yet maintained consistently across forums/rockbox-themes etc.? 11.32.08 Join ddalton [0] (n=daniel@203-214-50-20.dyn.iinet.net.au) 11.32.27 # any ideas on how to fix a broken ipod? 11.32.27 # If not, it should probably be excluded from the design. 11.32.38 # Depends on what's broken. 11.32.58 # well it won't boot at all the screen light doesn't come on 11.33.07 # Battery flat? 11.33.14 # and I can't get it in to disk mode. The hdd doesn't sound good as well 11.33.19 # Charge it from mains? 11.33.30 # nup tried that 11.33.30 # LinusN: I'm sorry for not following the discussion 11.33.32 Part bowl 11.33.32 # JdGordon_: That seems promising at least - it's detected it and opened a device handle.... But I'm afraid I don't have time to experiment now. 11.33.32 # linuxstb: if you have suggestions for my list that I've not included then please let me know 11.33.34 # GodEater: I'm thinking something more like this, though a little less ugly, and a little more "sponsors on the right" http://llorean.dyndns.org/rockbox/mockup/Rockbox%20-%20Open%20Source%20Jukebox%20Firmware.html 11.33.57 # A simplified version of what we had before. 11.34.01 # linuxstb: no worries, I actually pinged you to get the url of the exe.. but found it already 11.34.02 # Merge the news and major changes into one table? 11.34.20 # pondlife: Seems logical 11.34.31 # But watch out for duplicates! 11.34.45 # Llorean: you can submit that to the competition when I post it then ;) 11.34.59 # JdGordon_: Iiuc you need both the filter driver installed, and the device driver associated with the sansa while it's in manufacturing mode, in ordre3 to make libusb access it 11.35.04 # Sponsors back on the right, and add the SVN comments... 11.35.13 # What about the recent mail and recent wiki - I'm not sure we need those on the front page as well. 11.35.19 # pondlife: Yes. Sorry, that was the work of about 30 seconds cutting things out. 11.35.19 # amiconn: we were under the impression you didnt need the filter driver 11.35.45 # Llorean: I think I'm saying we'd be back to the original layout, and I prefer that to all other options so far :) 11.36.07 # pondlife: I'd like to get rid of the player list, and replace it with a more user-friendly paragraph 11.36.09 # Llorean: that looks a bit better... but the blerb has to be limited to say 800px wide, it looks _terrible_ at high res widescreen 11.36.30 # pondlife fears change it seems 11.36.41 # Not really. I have my reasons here. 11.36.42 # JdGordon_: As i said, that was a really quick hack job, it's more the sample text (lack of player list) and which things were kept on the page than the layout. 11.36.45 # amiconn: The documentation claims the filter driver isn't needed any more - just a device driver - http://libusb-win32.sourceforge.net/#installation 11.36.53 # * JdGordon_ giong for dinner 11.37.06 # Llorean: I think the target list is useful for people Googling. 11.37.21 # pondlife: So we make sure the other page is indexed by google. 11.37.34 # other page? 11.37.37 # I'm not saying we remove the target list, just drop it from the front page. 11.37.42 # OK 11.37.50 # How about a "Quick links" section, similar to the IPL homepage? http://ipodlinux.org/Main_Page 11.37.53 # I think it's valuable, but I think people skim over it. 11.38.13 # Llorean: that's almost like the last version of the old layout, and maybe I'm late in discussion but I don't think removing the device list from the front page is such a good idea, provided how often we answer here "if your device is not listed on the frontpage as supported, it's not"... 11.38.18 # If you have a paragraph like the one I put there, that links to the targets (and says clearly before the link that it ONLY runs on those) people might not only find them, but understand that it's limited to just them. 11.38.21 # I like the ipodlinux layout, aside from the wikipedia look 11.38.35 # The icons etc, nice. 11.38.47 # pixelma: Yeah, but what I'd like is a paragraph saying "It only runs on certain devices, and these devices are listed here(Page link)" and then on that page have pictures as well 11.39.31 # I agree with pixelma - the device list is good on the front page. But there could always be a second page, with pictures and more info. 11.39.35 # I think that "normal" users expect text, rather than a chart. 11.39.38 # I partucularly like the inclusion of the SVN revision number... 11.40.09 # the issue here is really that so many people don't expect that info to be on the front page 11.40.11 # Also, as the list expands it'll just take up more and more space on the front page. 11.40.26 # (the device list) 11.40.31 # I think it's just more readable in general to have an introduction paragraph to Rockbox, and then a link to the device list. 11.40.40 # exactly 11.40.44 # Yes 11.40.56 # LinusN: I'm not sure I agree with that - where else do people start looking for information if it's not the front page? 11.41.13 # they expect to find a link to the information 11.41.14 Part ddalton 11.41.15 # linuxstb: People go to the front page to find out *where* information is, rather than the information itself, I think. 11.41.26 # Sometimes reading past the information in the process. 11.41.46 # Then IMO it's a problem with how we've presented the list, not the fact that the list is there. 11.41.51 # furthermore, it seems that many people don't expect the front page information to be up-to-date and accurate 11.41.58 # There's that too 11.42.06 Join ddalton [0] (n=daniel@203-214-50-20.dyn.iinet.net.au) 11.42.10 Quit perplexity ("Check out my rear window") 11.42.30 # Llorean: exactly as linuxstb said - the list as a quick overview with a link to a more detailed page (with picures), how many people fail to find the "manual" link for example on the current page... 11.42.38 # the front page is expected to be a portal to the real information, not contain the information itself 11.43.34 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 11.43.47 # I think the paragraph helps more. It says "There's information here, this is what sort it is, and here's some of the most likely things you're seeking." 11.43.59 # I think it'd also make it less likely people will miss the "Why Rockbox" link. 11.44.16 # and considering the wealth of other information, i think the list of devices can easily be moved somehere else 11.45.26 # also, i think we should have a different appearance on the dynamic boxes and the static information 11.46.00 # right now, the introductory text and the device list looks exactly like the dynamic info boxes 11.46.41 # i don't really see the point of having the first text block in a box at all 11.47.18 Quit jwilen () 11.47.45 # Anything that wastes less space is good by me. 11.48.19 # shall I put these points into my draft post ? 11.48.54 # you mean my appearance comment? 11.49.31 # yes 11.49.41 # sure 11.50.07 # i like Llorean's mockup 11.50.51 # then again, the current design is quite boring, but in a good way imho 11.50.53 # Me too... add the SVN rev number too though. 11.50.56 # LinusN: As pondlife suggested, I think merging major changes into the news (or perhaps just including more news items for added features) would be good 11.51.04 # Tricky though. 11.51.19 # The SVN table needs to be more "Full" 11.51.25 # You'd probably get WMA mentioned twice, for example. 11.51.26 # Comments, and revisions would be nice. 11.51.43 # Revision should be the first column IMHO 11.51.43 # pondlife: So just have the news updated more often rather than an automated merge. 11.51.53 # Yes 11.52.18 # Or could the news just be taken from the MajorChanges page perhaps? 11.52.27 # I think that would be better 11.52.27 # That wouldn't work as well 11.52.30 # Devcon and such 11.52.34 # News is dreadful at the moment in my opinion 11.52.37 # Hmm, good point 11.52.50 # but, as just pointed out 11.52.50 # GodEater: News needs a maintainer, I think 11.52.52 # So a non-code News page to merge. 11.53.03 # we'd need some way to make manual additions 11.53.09 # A .html someone's in charge of updating, that gets included or something 11.53.31 # * LinusN whispers "cms" 11.53.35 # cms? 11.53.40 # * pondlife googles 11.53.43 # content management system 11.53.46 # Ah 11.54.00 # a la Mambo, or similar 11.54.05 # So, the current wiki maybe? With permissions... 11.54.15 # FrontPageNews 11.54.35 # But yeah, news definitely needs some attention 11.54.58 # I think though that for the SVN revision in the changelog, the revision number could just be part of the date column. 11.54.58 # to be honest 11.55.14 # we could blame the lack of updates to News for people thinking the front page doesnt update very often 11.55.22 # they can see that svn is dynamically generated 11.55.29 # * pondlife treates the SVN as news 11.55.34 # but if we only update news once every 3 months 11.55.47 # then you could be forgiven for thinking that the rest of the page isn't touched much 11.55.53 # MajorChanges is updated reasonably 11.56.03 # Major changes isn't the front page 11.56.08 # No, but it couldbne 11.56.09 # could be 11.56.22 # yes it could 11.56.38 # News on front page = top 8 entries from (MajorChanges + FrontPageNews)? 11.56.40 # what I'm saying is, "This is why users assume the current model list is out of date" 11.56.41 # Or similar 11.57.02 # GodEater: exactly 11.57.45 # Removal of the model list is fine with me; I wonder if it would result in more forum queries, or more new ports perhaps? 11.58.06 # http://pastebin.ca/689918 <-- updated again 12.00.04 # better 12.00.23 # anything else that needs to go on it before I put it in the forums ? 12.00.46 # Remove the "again" from point (A)? 12.01.06 # removed 12.01.11 # not sure about the collapsable menus though 12.01.23 # not very accessible 12.01.26 # I can take that suggestion out completely 12.01.29 # Yes, maybe keep the sidebar out of it. 12.01.48 # So we can keep consistency across sites too. 12.01.58 # It's almost there (at last) :) 12.02.06 # right 12.02.08 # D) We still want the navigation bar at the side. If you think you can make it more accessible, then please do so. 12.02.35 # * Llorean has succeeded in making his mockup horribly ugly because he's useless with tables. 12.02.48 # Llorean:
!!!! 12.03.04 # GodEater: I'm all about the CSS, but I'm making a mockup using existing content, not rebuilding it myself 12.03.09 # hehe 12.03.21 # it really ought to be a 21st century page now :) 12.04.12 # http://pastebin.ca/689925 <-- last draft ? 12.04.37 # * GodEater wonders if Llorean should post it in announcements 12.06.26 # GodEater: Did I prevent experts from posting in Announcements? 12.06.32 # I may have under the assumption they'd have nothing to announce... 12.06.36 # you did yes 12.06.50 # you even told bluebrother that last week :) 12.06.55 # or recently at least 12.07.13 # Llorean: Imo it's much better to put links on an actual statement than those ugly (but unfortunately widespread) "click here" links 12.07.33 # (referring to the "why rockbox" link in your mockup) 12.07.42 # Llorean: you could just go ahead and make me a forum admin ;) 12.07.56 Join kugel [0] (i=kugel@e178097077.adsl.alicedsl.de) 12.08.00 # amiconn: That line is actually straight from our existing front page. Not how I'd do it. :) 12.08.02 # Hi 12.08.23 # GodEater: Post it in General Discussion. Then try moving it to Announcements. If that fails, let me know, and I'll move it. 12.08.54 # i have a problem. I have such a beep sound when I skip the track 12.09.03 # pretty anonying one 12.09.26 # it wasn't before today 12.09.49 # Llorean: that appeared to work. 12.10.18 # GodEater: I had a gut feeling it would 12.11.03 # I mean I could give y'all the ability to post there, but honestly I'd rather keep that line of "You shouldn't be posting here, but you can if you MUST" 12.11.20 # you mean you want us to know our place ;) 12.12.11 # kugel: Check in the manual, it's a setting but I don't know what it's called 12.12.13 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 12.13.06 # i didnt change any settings, it appeared after a reboot 12.14.34 # kugel: Then the beeps are magical, and we can't fix them. Either you changed the setting, or there's a bug. If you changed the setting, you can turn it off. If it's a bug, we can't fix it until you document it. 12.14.43 # ok found it 12.14.44 # thank you 12.15.21 # maybe i turned it on a few days, but never actually skipped a song since then 12.16.39 # dammit - I thought of something we missed that needs to go on the front page 12.17.04 # "No - we don't work with the new ipods" 12.17.10 Quit Jon-Kha ("Lost terminal") 12.17.39 # * Llorean wonders how hard it'd be to get "ginormous" accepted as a valid size. 12.17.50 # pretty hard I imagine 12.17.52 Join Jon-Kha [0] (i=jon-kha@80-248-247-190.cust.suomicom.fi) 12.17.55 # but you get the idea ;) 12.18.12 # GodEater: do you really tihnk that would stop people asking? 12.18.27 # No, he forgot to set the color to re.d 12.19.59 # with a luminous green outline 12.20.03 # And make it a marquee 12.20.18 # * GodEater waits for further UI horrors to be thought of 12.20.27 # with a dancing hamster at each end ? 12.21.51 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.22.08 # Hrm, I'd just like to clarify a few things before I post off this message on the espeak forums 12.22.13 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF78A6.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.22.52 # Would it be possible to link in the eSpeak codec/plugin seperately to avoid license conflicts? 12.22.59 # Sort of like how linux etc does it? 12.23.57 # that would require a pretty drastic remodeling 12.25.26 # Ok, that'll do then. 12.26.16 # GodEater: (/me a bit late) I tihnk point 2 is a bit harshe.... 12.26.55 # I think it's a bit pointless someone submitting a mockup if they can't make it work 12.27.11 # so, but some people are creative, and some are coders 12.27.15 Nick JdGordon_ is now known as JdGordon (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 12.27.21 # so then they get together 12.27.25 # there's nothing stopping a team entry 12.27.42 # then Mr. Creative can send his .PSD to the coder chap 12.27.59 # no, but saying they arnt alowd to submit a mockup means a creative person who cant code will probably not bother 12.28.17 # i don't mind a mockup as long as it is a HTML/CSS page and not just an image 12.28.30 # the "just an image" is what I'm trying to avoid 12.28.44 # perhaps I should clarify that point 12.28.48 # even an image is fine imo... it just wont be given as much credit as a full blown site would 12.28.49 # yes 12.28.53 Quit XavierGr (Remote closed the connection) 12.29.03 # although I thought "rendered view" was pretty clear already 12.29.10 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp255-209.adsl.forthnet.gr) 12.29.33 # Maybe something along the lines of "The preferred entry is in HTML/CSS, and functioning. If the page is a mock-up, it may be discarded out of hand if too difficult to make effective" 12.30.01 # And then something about "if you don't know HTML, collaboration is in the spirit of open source" 12.30.34 # Edited. 12.30.37 # comments please :) 12.30.53 # I've removed the "we want perl" bit too 12.31.05 # yeah, thats better 12.31.36 # * GodEater is glad he put the bit in about "changing the rules as we go along" 12.32.12 # Goal post moving seems to be a way of life where I work - so why not Rockbox too ? 12.32.44 Quit B4gder (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.32.54 Join B4gder [0] (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 12.33.20 Join ByronFortescue [0] (n=ByronFor@h211096.upc-h.chello.nl) 12.33.47 # heya 12.34.10 # Is there any way of excluding folders from the database? 12.35.56 Quit Weiss ("leaving") 12.36.14 Join Weiss [0] (i=taw27@pip.srcf.societies.cam.ac.uk) 12.37.26 # ByronFortescue: nope 12.38.08 # ok 12.39.23 Join phalax [0] (n=phalax@h-82-96-32-75.ip.rixbredband.se) 12.40.25 Join Embrion [0] (n=no@chello089077194022.chello.pl) 12.43.47 Quit gtkspert (Remote closed the connection) 12.44.02 Join gtkspert [0] (n=gtkspert@gateless.info) 12.45.43 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518]") 12.47.36 Quit Weiss ("leaving") 12.47.53 Join Weiss [0] (n=taw27@pip.srcf.societies.cam.ac.uk) 12.48.53 # Hmm, are there 2 different types of (original) H1x0 leather cases? 12.51.01 # amiconn: Yeah. At least the ihp110 I bought for Linus had a different one from mine 12.51.34 # Without a plastic window iirc (but a more sturdy protection over the display) 12.52.22 # The case in your auction is black, and the front is not a big flap, like the one for my H140 (which is brown) 12.52.42 # That sounds like the one the h110 had 12.53.24 # I bought mine just when the ihp name was discontinued 12.53.39 Join actionshrimp [0] (n=nn@86.158.13.55) 12.53.58 # Yeah, I have the older case too 12.54.12 # On a different matter, I'd like to ask you whether you could change buldzip.pl so that it doesn't start tons of processes anymore, like you did with (the implementation of) voice.pl 12.54.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.54.27 # This would cut down 'make zip' runtime (drastically on cygwin) 12.56.01 # Wow, buildzip.pl is really a sort of perl/shellscript hybrid 12.56.13 # Using lots of external apps for stuff that could be handled by perl 12.56.20 # As far as I can tell 12.56.43 # Yup. Calling 'cp' a thousand times, plus other tools 12.58.12 # And find.. which calls cp.. I have a feeling that could be done somewhat nicer 12.58.53 # fix it 12.59.20 # perhaps we should fix all cygwin users to run linux? ;-) 12.59.28 # * B4gder ducks and runs 12.59.33 # I wonder if it was once named buildzip.sh, then someone needed a single function of Perl and hastily converted it while leaving most of the shell script calls intact 13.00.06 # not necesarily, I use to write my perl like that 13.00.16 # I don't use cygwin... 13.00.59 # This approach is also slower than using perl functions on linux, just not as much as on cygwin 13.01.12 # sure, but on linux we won't notice the speed difference 13.01.29 # I never wrote that to be a speedy script, just a working one 13.01.39 # and it runs fast enough on linux 13.02.03 # I find it sad that we have to rewrite it just because we have and use inferior systems 13.02.08 # but I accept that fact 13.04.04 # I was going to ask for buildzip to be split up into seperate files so make can do more than 1 at a time to speed it up... 13.04.36 Part ByronFortescue 13.06.10 Quit Embrion () 13.07.14 # I wouldn't mind, if that separation is made in a logical way 13.12.02 # also, making it not delete the .rockbox so a make install equivilant for real targets would be nice 13.12.54 # install: zip unzip -d SOMEDIRHERE rockbox.zip 13.13.03 # why would the removal of .rockbox affect that? 13.13.24 Join greenlemon [0] (n=greenlem@bl9-244-176.dsl.telepac.pt) 13.13.25 # it is only called .rockbox to make it easier to build a zip using that name 13.13.33 # I mean, it should just finish before making the zip 13.13.52 # you mean if you symlink .rockbox to your target? 13.14.05 # no.... 13.14.11 # that could work though 13.14.36 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 13.14.37 # in my mp3s i had the disc number stored on an id3 tag as Disc 2/3 for example, which itunes recognzied but when i go on rockbox it just ignores it and in the albums just places for example 3 track number ones in a row, is there any option i can activate to change this or so? 13.14.38 # creating and unzipping the zip is slow when zp -R .rockbox /dest would do just as well 13.14.52 # s/zp/cp ? 13.14.57 # but I'm sure buildzip could take an option to make it not remove and build zip 13.15.35 # yeah, I was going to give that a go a while ago, but got scared by the Makefile and perl :p 13.15.59 # (oh and congrats on rockbox, its amazing, i'd been using it for quite a while on my iriver 120 and have loved it ever since, even now on my ipod =) ) 13.20.50 # greenlemon: are you using the database ? 13.21.03 # yes 13.21.34 # greenlemon: then I think you can acheive what you want with a customized tagnavi file 13.21.48 # but you're better off asking in the forums, as very few people here use the database 13.21.55 # oh 13.22.08 # but i can find online how to custumise tagnavi then? 13.22.16 # I can ahrdly speel databse 13.22.43 # in fact, I've never used it on any of my targets 13.22.45 # greenlemon: the DataBase wiki page has some inf, IIRC 13.22.53 # *info 13.22.55 # thanks :) 13.23.12 # and keep up the amazing work! :D i'll go give it a try and try to work it out :) 13.23.19 # take care :) 13.23.31 Quit greenlemon () 13.25.49 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 13.26.33 Join Zaister [0] (n=zaister@static-87-79-236-121.netcologne.de) 13.27.26 # Hello I have a question, does rockbox provide any last.fm support? 13.28.01 # Zaister: yes it does 13.28.08 # oh cool 13.28.14 # it's in the manual 13.28.18 # read about it on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LastFMLog 13.28.20 # rockbox _is_ cool 13.28.22 # i have an iRiver H140 13.28.35 # and i've been using rockbox for quite a while 13.28.39 # but my version was old :) 13.29.01 # Zaister: yes 13.29.07 # thanks 13.29.09 # just enable it under playback settings 13.29.31 # http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h100/rockbox-buildch7.html#x10-1030007.1 13.29.37 # * petur totally ignored the link pixelma posted 13.30.14 # :) 13.33.22 Join Buschel_ [0] (n=abc@p54A3E93C.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.39.39 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 13.40.26 Quit atsea- (Remote closed the connection) 13.44.30 Quit ddalton ("leaving") 13.47.46 Quit iamben (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.48.21 Part pixelma 13.54.17 # Jon at eSpeak has replied to my forum post, but I feel like I'm completely out of my depth with it all, does someone want to at least fill me in, or take over? 13.54.19 # https://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=4510054 13.55.52 # 1) rockbox is not linux so the linux case is totally besides the point 13.56.09 # 2) the "version 2 or later" phrase is not used in Rockbox and thus it doesn't apply 13.56.29 # thanks for the last.fm tip, and bye! 13.56.36 # besides, we still use lot of other gplv2 code that if so _also_ would need to go v3 13.56.39 Quit Zaister ("..") 13.57.00 # aliask: it seems his motive is just to tighten the "loopholes" 13.59.17 # "If the Program does not specify a version number of this License, you may choose any version ever published by the Free Software Foundation." 13.59.22 # Now that's surprising. 13.59.45 # Where does it say that? In the actual license, or in some sort of "help" part? 14.04.14 Join rogelio [0] (n=rogelio@189.146.222.125) 14.04.21 Join Axio [0] (n=Axio@alf94-1-81-57-140-233.fbx.proxad.net) 14.06.15 Part Axio 14.07.02 Part LinusN 14.08.42 Quit rogelio (Remote closed the connection) 14.09.10 Join rogelio [0] (n=rogelio@189.146.222.125) 14.09.46 Part rogelio ("Kopete 0.12.4 : http://kopete.kde.org") 14.09.50 Join atsea- [0] (i=atsea-@gateway/tor/x-9ee70a6623e0328a) 14.12.45 # Any ideas on the cause of FS7743 and FS7744? 14.13.20 # and now your cross posting! 14.13.26 # ban him! 14.15.23 # http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/09/10/sandisk_launches_view/ 14.15.52 # they moved the power button...! 14.17.15 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.19.25 # Hrm, does someone want to finish my sentance for me here: http://pastebin.ca/690089 ? 14.19.49 # He seems pretty touchy about me bringing it up 14.25.26 # like http://pastebin.ca/690100 ? 14.26.02 # revert or consider dual licensing? 14.26.32 # hm right, dual is an option... but gplv2/gplv3 feels like a very funny dual license 14.26.51 # and rather pointless to them 14.27.03 # yeah, I can't see them going for it 14.27.04 # They could revert to GPLv2 or later. 14.27.19 # wasn't that what they had? 14.27.40 # it sounds to me like they're keen to avoid tivoisation 14.27.57 # Yeah. I just mean, it's possible that he just updated without too much though, based on the "loopholes" thing, and without thinking of how it might affect users of his code. 14.27.57 # it sounds to me like they just believe what fsf says 14.28.00 # which would make switching to gplv2 or later pointless from their point of view 14.28.04 # thought 14.28.14 # "3 is better than 2!" 14.28.16 Join linuxstb [0] (i=d556da1b@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 14.28.49 # B4gder: you dont need the FSF to know 3 is better than 2... 14.28.49 # I think we'll have to go back to the v2 version 14.28.49 Quit linuxstb (Client Quit) 14.28.57 Join linuxstb__ [0] (i=d556da1b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-eac047cfd4edc53e) 14.28.58 # :-) 14.29.08 Join chrissy88 [0] (i=5080f9c2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f925f4696bc530e1) 14.29.18 Quit atsea- (Remote closed the connection) 14.30.00 # B4gder: Thanks, that sounds good. 14.30.04 # B4gder, Llorean: if by 'they' you mean the eSpeak devs, it's basically 'he' 14.30.25 # hi, i'm trying to compile rockbox using ubuntu, but when i type "make", i only get errors and warnings. has anybody allready tried to compile with ubuntu ? 14.30.29 # Doesn't that quote (if no version is specified, any version) mean we could switch to v3? From what I could see when I looked recently, all the external code we're using is v2 or later. 14.30.31 # markun: yes that's what I meant 14.30.34 # is there much difference between the last v2 version and current? 14.30.54 # JdGordon: I doubt that, at least not yet 14.31.06 # chrissy88: Many people. 14.31.20 # * linuxstb__ afk 14.31.24 # chrissy88: install "build-essential" 14.31.54 # B4gder: what do you mean with "build-essential" ? 14.32.06 # what is the coding of the ipod fat32 ? 14.32.11 # I mean you should install that package 14.32.14 # chrissy88: sudo apt-get install build-essential 14.33.34 # JdGordon: OK, the download starts... 14.37.47 # kasba: what do you mean? 14.38.09 # if ipods all use FAT32? 14.38.35 # JdGordon: now i get the error "arm-elf-gcc: Command not found" 14.38.40 Join atsea- [0] (i=atsea-@gateway/tor/x-71338cf55b1509f4) 14.38.51 # chrissy88: did you run rockboxdev.sh? 14.38.59 # chrissy88: ... and edited your PATH? 14.39.29 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler 14.39.30 # sorry, but what could you explain ? 14.39.38 # damn that link iss hard to find :p 14.39.48 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 14.39.59 # i already built the cross compiler using a Shellscript 14.41.11 # B4gder: is there any reason why we can do cat PATH=$PATH:blaa >> ~/.bashrc at the end of that script if the shell is bash? 14.41.30 # yes, because the user may not use bash 14.41.40 # and I personally would hate it... 14.41.42 # but we can check the shell cant we? 14.41.56 # yes we can 14.42.15 # but still, what if the user already has the PATH fixed? 14.42.38 # like when you run the script to update your compiler(s) 14.43.02 # it could check that also 14.43.16 # how? 14.43.23 # `which arm-elf-gcc` 14.43.43 # yes, but that only means that the PATH is fine, not that it exists in a proper file 14.43.54 # but that might be good enough 14.43.55 # close enough imho 14.44.17 # it could also ask if the user wants it added automatically or not 14.44.21 # Hmm, rockboxui.exe seems to have a memory leak today 14.44.21 # GodEater: if [ -f `which arm-elf-gcc` ] 14.44.43 # if [ -f "`which arm-elf-gcc`" ] 14.44.46 # The memory usage (according to Windows Task Manager) increases all the time. 14.44.59 # $(which arm-elf-gcc) 14.45.04 # thread bug maybe? 14.45.12 # of course, what if the PATH contains an older gcc dir... :-) 14.45.22 # It's new in the past 2 weeks I think 14.45.30 # GodEater: 1) Backticks have wider support than $() 2) you need to test what the command outputs (some implementations of which output an error message) 14.45.33 # * pondlife will play SVN-binary-chop-bingo. 14.45.42 # jhMikeS: sounds like pondlife found a bug for you 14.46.03 # rasher: I was just being controversial :) 14.46.05 # B4gder: it could test the gcc version if its found 14.46.14 # hahah 14.46.19 # or we could just skip this 14.46.47 # simplifying the script for non-devs would be nice though 14.47.06 # * JdGordon fears thats the 5th thing ive said "would be nice" to in as many hours 14.47.45 # simplying is good, trying to make it fool-proof is not 14.48.13 # * JdGordon feels we should have a vote on a motion to start discussions on the possibility of decing on a course of action 14.49.28 # with sub-commitees to examine every aspect of those actions 14.50.14 # of course 14.50.33 Part Llorean 14.51.55 Quit kasba ("Hasta la vista") 14.52.09 # would be nice :) 14.52.38 # * JdGordon fails at shell scripting 14.53.00 # D- 14.53.01 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host239-222-dynamic.11-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 14.54.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.59.41 # jhMikeS: If you'd like to look into it, it's noted on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7745 15.00.16 # for a system with no malloc, it is quite a feat to leak memory ;-) 15.00.24 # My thought exactly! 15.00.35 # That's the problem, no free() ! 15.00.40 # pondlife: must be your SDL 15.00.40 # hahaha 15.00.50 # so we introduce free() but leave malloc out? 15.01.55 # GodEater: Are there alternative SDLs I can download? I have one that came with Cygwin. 15.02.10 # pondlife: build your own wuss! 15.02.26 # hi 15.02.36 # http://www.libsdl.org/download-1.2.php might help 15.02.37 # where do i find new wps 15.02.38 # ?? 15.03.00 # which work with the newest album art/scroll margins patches" 15.04.18 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 15.04.25 # pondlife: when are you going to ditch this cygwin nonsense ? :) 15.04.48 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 15.04.48 # Pro: in the rockbox forums I think 15.05.15 # Haha, the Cygwin SDL.DLL results in memory usage starting at 5MB and creeping up to 22MB after 20 mins. The libsdl SDL.DLL results in it starting at 38MB! 15.05.19 # 22MB aren't that much 15.05.19 # But not climbing 15.05.37 # On linux I observed rockbox sim ram usage of >140MB 15.05.42 # does somebody know how to get arm-elf-gcc in PATH 15.05.43 # wow 15.05.55 # try saying libsdl sdl.dll over and over again when youre drunk 15.05.55 # Yes, but rockboxui.exe now uses more memory than Outlook + Word 15.06.12 # chrissy88, add it to .bash_profile if you're using bash 15.06.25 Join elinenbe [0] (n=elinenbe@209.196.192.8) 15.06.35 # zsh, tsch, use their respective config files 15.06.51 # krazykit: i'm using the ubnutu terminal 15.07.12 # add it to .bash_profile 15.07.18 # can't help with that as i don't use bash 15.07.58 # doesn't ubuntu use dash ? 15.08.07 # ubuntu links sh to dash 15.08.12 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@athedsl-359175.home.otenet.gr) 15.08.13 # logins are all bash by default 15.08.19 # er, dash to sh, rather 15.08.56 # ok gotcha 15.09.00 Quit elinenbe (Client Quit) 15.10.36 # rockboxui mem usage seems to be stable at 36500 on my box playing music (linux amd64) 15.10.37 # B4gder: we had such a memory leak with voice and buffer_alloc use in the past (I know the bug is a sim bug though) 15.10.38 # pondlife: No memory leak here. The sim allocates ~39MB of virtual memory right from the start. RAM usage is around 6MB. Starting playback increases ram usage to all virtual memory. That's it 15.10.58 # does it free it's dlls? 15.13.07 # We got another response from Jon of eSpeak, claiming we CAN change the license, because the note at the top of the source files doesn't specify the version. 15.13.24 # aliask: our license you mean? 15.13.32 # not the espeak one 15.13.37 # Hmm, so the increase is to be expected. I'll leave it climbing. 15.13.52 # GodEater: Yep 15.13.56 # Ours 15.14.08 # well, I know little about the codec loading in the sim and whether or not it ever calls FreeLibrary there 15.16.27 # It doesn't load a codec very often though... 15.16.45 # why would mpegplayer give me an undef instruction... 15.17.06 # Lunch time... 15.17.08 # preglow: for which player? 15.17.17 # nano, and it just did it once... 15.17.24 # cache coherency 15.17.44 # it really glitches on this one too, though 15.17.47 # hmm 15.18.06 Quit JdGordon (Remote closed the connection) 15.18.23 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 15.18.43 # perhaps it just can't handle the intro sequence to aqua teen hunger force :> 15.18.44 # it's all cache trouble and needs a going over to keep the line clobbering away I think 15.19.06 # hehe...ATHF. 15.19.29 Join JdGordon_ [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 15.19.34 # i discovered i need to keep the intro sequence to the movie with me at all times, so i'm encoding it :P 15.19.46 # doesn't like meatwad? 15.20.08 # doesn't like mastodon, apparently 15.20.13 Quit JdGordon_ (Remote closed the connection) 15.21.36 # hmm, it really struggles, lags along at times, then suddenly decodes like mad to keep up 15.22.04 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.24.00 # invalide_icache is also not correct, it seems to need to do the for(i=0x10000000; i < 0x10002000; i++) inb(i); to function correctly as well. 15.24.36 Quit linuxstb__ ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 15.24.39 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 15.27.28 Quit JdGordon (Remote closed the connection) 15.27.36 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 15.27.51 Quit JdGordon (Remote closed the connection) 15.28.01 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 15.28.42 Quit atsea- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.29.44 Quit chrissy88 ("CGI:IRC") 15.32.13 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@hdp186.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 15.33.03 Join linuxstb [0] (i=d556da1b@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 15.38.03 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007073113]") 15.40.32 # B4gder: I can't find anything in the Rockbox source that says "v2 only", so it seems that espeak-jon is right to say we could easily switch Rockbox to v3 (as per para. 9 of the GPL).... 15.41.44 # with no copyright holder agreement or nothing? 15.43.14 # IIUC, the (C) holder has already agreed to "any version" by not explicitly stating one. 15.43.53 # that makes sense 15.44.16 # Para 9. of the GPL seems to cover Rockbox... 15.44.31 # * JdGordon feels the urge to be annoying and quiclkly change one of the files i have (c) of to gplv2 only :p 15.44.53 # neat 15.44.56 # JdGordon: Then we would just revert to the current version... 15.45.10 # but.. but.... 15.46.20 # and get rid of the settings macros? :p 15.46.47 # one day you all will realise just how brilliant they are!! 15.46.56 # I may be 80 by then... but it will happen 15.50.28 # the fact that mplayer itself can't seem to play its own movies correctly bodes well... 15.52.30 # GodEater: You have two point Cs in http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12607.0 15.52.53 # But, nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition. 15.53.19 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 15.54.58 # amiconn: Did you decide to take up the offer of a bad Nano from the guy on the ML? 15.57.09 Join nicktastic [0] (n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic) 15.59.26 # pondlife: updated thank you 15.59.43 # np 16.02.34 # pondlife: so when can I expect your submission ? 16.03.14 # Haha, when I've fixed playback?? 16.03.45 # Which is some time after we have a new default theme 16.04.08 # (Cyclic dependency detected.) 16.06.11 Join low_light [0] (i=c730190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9dfe9c90c86ef2a3) 16.08.06 # pondlife: Who me? 16.08.35 # no 16.08.56 # Oh, good. Someone else is offering their nano too, are they? 16.09.33 # Ah, don't know - sorry - wrong topic! 16.09.52 # My fault. That was a few minutes ago, I see. 16.09.54 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 16.10.06 # Chronon: he means playback in general, not specifically the nano issue 16.10.27 # amiconn: Did you decide to take up the offer of a bad Nano from the guy on the ML? 16.10.36 # I was talking about that. . . 16.10.52 # oh - I missed that too 16.10.56 # Sorry, couldn't remember who it was that offered. 16.11.25 # But even though I don't have an iPod of any sort, it seemed a sensible way forward. 16.11.52 # pondlife is full of suggestions, but very few solutions ;) 16.12.14 # That's my speciality. 16.12.24 # I just annoy people until they do my bidding. 16.12.34 # does it work ? 16.12.42 # It's called Management 16.12.46 # haha. Well, I only have a buggy nano. If you can annoy someone into action and I send them my unit we might get somewhere! 16.13.28 # * GodEater predicts it'll magically start working again during transit 16.13.58 # Didn't we look at the stats and decide it was due to longitude or something? 16.14.04 # fairly sure 16.14.17 # something about exposure to high levels of solar wind 16.14.37 # plus whenever there's an "R" in the month 16.14.47 # lunar wind, wasn't it? 16.15.01 # Oh good. May is coming up in a couple of months 16.15.07 # :D 16.15.39 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 16.15.42 Join bowl [0] (i=c27f0814@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1d0df0308d0a0773) 16.15.48 # move north 16.15.57 # Some languages don't use R so often, try running Rockbox in another language? 16.16.06 # like Japanese 16.16.13 # No, longitude, not latitude 16.16.14 # Hello. Couldn't iTunes be cracked/decompiled to find out how the firmware in nano 2G is encrypted? 16.16.16 # GodEater -- You mean East 16.16.33 # bowl: no 16.16.35 # bowl: not really no 16.17.05 # Because the signature is verified on the DAP? 16.17.10 # bowl: Yes. Best bet would be to send a spy into the Apple labs. 16.17.11 # " Didn't we look at the stats and decide it was due to longitude or something?" <-- I agreed with the "or something" 16.17.16 # :) 16.17.17 # neither can firefox, internet explorer or google ;-9 16.17.34 # bowl: itunes has nothing to do with the firmware encryption 16.17.55 # Funny how people give iTunes so much credit. 16.18.04 # B4gder: is iTunes just used to transfer music? Or also for FW updates? 16.18.07 # I think a lot of people think that's the name of the Apple firmware. 16.18.11 # * GodEater still likes it from ripping CDs 16.18.18 # bowl: itunes is just a host program 16.18.25 # s/from/for 16.18.59 # I don't use it myself, just thought if we can't find out how the sign is verified we can find out how to create a valid one 16.19.24 # bowl: but itunes won't check the sign nor generated it 16.19.38 # it most likely just gets a remote file and puts it on the ipod 16.19.54 # B4gder: ah, that's the point. No chance then :-/ 16.19.55 # or possibly communicates with the running ipod firmware 16.20.10 # Chronon: I'm not sure whether sending the nano to me from the US is a good idea. Not because of shipment costs, but because of possible customs issues 16.20.11 # it would surprise me greatly if itunes would have any clues 16.20.25 # of this kind, I mean 16.21.14 # Would be easier if either someone in the EU has a problematic nano and would be willing to send it, or a dev located in the US would take your offer 16.21.24 # B4gder: so you mean, FW updates are prepared and signed somewhere at Apple, and iTunes downloads them and puts to the dap? 16.21.34 # yes, I would expect so 16.21.48 # amiconn: What if someone in the EU received the nano, then sent it on to you? 16.21.56 # amiconn: linuxstb mentioned this. I'm hoping we can find a European donor or an American developer. 16.21.59 # I could do that if it helps. 16.22.51 # what? find a donor ? 16.22.58 # Does anyone have much knowledge of the customs restrictions? 16.23.01 # No, act as a customs middleman 16.23.01 # are you going to start mugging old ladies again pondlife ? 16.23.34 Part bowl 16.23.56 # again? I don't recall doing that, although I had been drinking. 16.24.03 # hehe 16.24.19 # lol 16.25.02 Quit Chronon ("Taking my daughter to school.") 16.25.02 Quit low_light ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 16.25.17 # DAP laundering 16.25.21 # Yep 16.25.59 # I don't think there's a problem with this sort of thing - both gifts and commercial samples are normally ignored by customs. 16.26.14 # This is one of those, I'm pretty sure. 16.26.17 # would you mind receiving a few unmarked boxes with suspect substances for me too? ;-) 16.26.19 # No money paid for it. 16.26.50 # B4gder: Sure. Hey - I can't be blamed if you wrote my address on a label, can I? 16.26.57 # hehe 16.27.05 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 16.27.07 # Well, if you buy something from outside the EU, there is a (rather low) limit below which there are no fees to pay 16.28.42 # I don't know what rules apply when you receive something "for repair" 16.29.14 # pondlife: Would be the same thing. That someone would then have to pay the fee (if there is any) instead of me 16.29.50 Join agm3nt [0] (i=nat-107@nat.n3t.pl) 16.36.53 # amiconn: Would it not be worthwhile to continue and pay the duty from the Rockbox fund then? 16.37.22 # Seems this issue is unlikely to get fixed any faster way, sadly. 16.38.42 Nick parafin|away is now known as parafin (i=parafin@parafin.dialup.corbina.ru) 16.39.12 # I think we can use the fund for this 16.39.19 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-069-134-102-044.nc.res.rr.com) 16.39.59 # Not saying that it has to be amiconn, of course - just thought he was most skilled in this area, and wondered it there was progress. 16.50.57 # is the source for the web site available somewhere? Subversion? 16.54.18 Join freqmod [0] (n=freqmod@m072g.studby.ntnu.no) 16.54.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.54.28 # parts of it is in subversion 16.54.40 # front page? 16.54.47 # (not the app!) 16.54.58 # unfortunately not the front page 16.55.03 # right 16.55.40 Quit B4gder ("It is time to say MOOO") 16.59.55 Quit hcs ("Leaving.") 17.00.11 Join lazka [0] (n=lazka@85-125-223-179.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) 17.00.46 # cool, new sansa http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/95752 (german) 17.01.57 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@47.59.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 17.02.08 # looks like the same GUI.. maybe they changed only the processor.. 17.04.57 # here is the official press release: http://www.sandisk.com/Corporate/PressRoom/PressReleases/PressRelease.aspx?ID=3959 17.06.02 Join webguest54 [0] (i=d558f5ba@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3c7e5047c4aa5f57) 17.06.43 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 17.07.28 # Sansa View anounced today, 16Gb with micro SDHC :) http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/8302.html 17.08.05 # i've just posted it ^^ 17.09.31 # "optional 8GB microSD/microSDHC card" 17.09.32 Quit agm3nt (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.09.45 # since when are there 8GB microSD cards? 17.10.32 # sad....the View can have more space than this hard drive 17.11.35 # they came out last year. they don't work in all devices. 17.11.50 # Galois, you sure you aren't talking about microSDHC? 17.12.11 # it must be sdhc 17.12.57 # i know 17.13.22 # but they're implying there's 8GB non-microSDHC cards 17.13.28 # * chrisjs169 quits arguing about useless stuff 17.14.13 Join Agm3nt [0] (i=nat-107@nat.n3t.pl) 17.17.10 Join RudMan [0] (n=RudMan@167.206.188.130) 17.17.50 Quit webguest54 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.31.26 Join Chronon [0] (i=Chronon@d23-104.uoregon.edu) 17.31.30 Join einhirn [0] (n=Miranda@p5B030B40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.32.19 # I just got a message from someone in EU who has a buggy Nano and is willing to lend it to an interested developer. 17.34.05 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A3EA5.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.35.00 # where are the SVN-chances now? 17.40.40 Join tictoc [0] (i=tabac@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xB9002659) 17.40.52 # rockbox.org/recent.shtml 17.41.02 # how is a buggy nano different? 17.41.20 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@f051073219.adsl.alicedsl.de) 17.41.52 # It suffers from a bug that has broken playback for quite a while (r13990 IIRC) 17.42.09 # There's a minority of Nano users who are having to deal with this. 17.43.05 # hey 17.44.02 Quit lazka (Remote closed the connection) 17.47.14 # What's the difference of a X5 and a X5V 17.47.42 # The V has no radio 17.48.01 # gonna be trying to install rockbox on this new e280 17.48.14 Quit advcomp2019 ("Leaving") 17.48.23 # amiconn: did you mention that you might be interested in looking at a buggy nano? 17.49.16 # amiconn: thanks 17.49.19 Join advcomp2019 [0] (n=advcomp2@66.172.231.192) 17.49.49 # aahj man 17.50.55 # Yay - I finally solved the math problem I had in my head concerning replaygain on archos (recorder) 17.51.54 # Some code fixing to do, testing and you'll receive a patch ;) 17.52.39 # what tools do i need to install rb ? 17.52.39 # what program ? 17.53.15 # tictoc: You can do it manually or use RockboxUtility (RbUtil) 17.53.16 # only zip and sansapatcher for a e280... or use rbutil.. :-) 17.53.31 # aah 18.01.05 # rbutil crashes 18.01.31 # really ? tell me the error.. :-) 18.01.46 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A94DB1.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.02.37 # the error is vista 18.03.15 # Ooh.. the current build got almost 5 minutes into my first track before skipping on my Nano. I started to get my hopes up that the playback bug had somehow been fixed. 18.03.16 # :-) nobody has tested rbutil on vista.. :-) 18.03.17 # i dont get any message really 18.03.30 # until now, you mean 18.04.11 # tictoc: jop.. would ne nice to know why it failes.. maybe it blocked by UAC ? 18.04.50 # no idea 18.05.53 # could you try to run it as administrator ? 18.05.54 Quit The-Compiler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.06.09 # hmm 18.06.22 # yes.. i did run it as admin, still crashed 18.06.45 # oh 18.06.45 # forgot to mention 18.07.01 # it crashes when i select 'yes' on 'should it autodetect devices' 18.07.43 # ah.. then i know.. :-) its the "patchers" which dont work on vista... 18.07.50 # nah.. it crashes eaither way, even when i select 'no' 18.07.50 # it just cant detect the e280 18.08.03 # i see 18.08.19 # so you probably also get problems when you install the bootloader via sansapatcher.. 18.08.41 # youre saying i cant install rb at all on vista? 18.08.50 # i am not sure.. 18.09.03 # try it with the sansapatcher as described in the manual.. 18.09.20 # ok 18.10.47 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@bas3-montreal28-1177918709.dsl.bell.ca) 18.11.42 Join Rincewind [0] (n=rince@vpnwww01.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 18.12.34 Quit parafin ("So long and thanks for all the fish") 18.12.42 Join parafin [0] (i=parafin@paraf.in) 18.12.59 Nick parafin is now known as parafin| (i=parafin@paraf.in) 18.13.00 Nick parafin| is now known as parafin (i=parafin@paraf.in) 18.13.56 # is someone here who usess Git with rockbox? 18.14.00 Join akaias [0] (n=akaias@c-67-175-173-88.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 18.16.29 # Rincewind: I do 18.16.34 # only to pull though 18.19.22 # i tried setting it up but compilation fails 18.19.46 # what's that got to do with git though ? 18.20.15 Join qweru [0] (n=kvirc@bb-87-80-66-156.ukonline.co.uk) 18.20.26 # i don't know. If I check out trough svn, then a compile works. the same revision in my git repository fails 18.20.44 # this is one of the messages: gcc: unrecognized option '-070910"' 18.21.08 # then comes this: main.c:118: error: missing terminating " character 18.21.08 # Domonoky, im copyin the .rockbox folder into the sansa drive 18.21.20 # tictoc: the sansapatcher worked ? 18.21.30 # Rincewind: how are you getting the repo with git ? 18.21.39 # the thing is, there is no difference in main.c (except for the id-string in the header) 18.21.58 # Domonoky, im using explorer for this 18.22.00 # I used the second route on the wiki page 18.22.01 # Rincewind: what about character encoding and line endings ? 18.22.21 # tictoc: But sansapatcher ran properly? 18.22.32 # stupid thing says its "writing" 18.22.36 Join homielowe [0] (n=chatzill@d207-81-67-190.bchsia.telus.net) 18.22.41 # Chronon, i suppose 18.22.48 # tictoc: read the manual.. there are two parts of the installation.. one involves sansapatcher, to install the bootloader.. 18.22.50 # i 'did' install it 18.22.51 # it is on the same machine in ubuntu, should be the same 18.22.54 # ok 18.23.16 # * GodEater_ goes off to remind himself what the git wiki page says 18.23.31 # shocking really since I wrote a lot of it :) 18.24.00 # GodEater_: do you have the $id string in the header at the top of the files? 18.24.21 # Rincewind: of course... 18.24.45 # Rincewind: so did you get it from Nico's "public repository" rather than using git svn ? 18.24.49 # yes 18.24.57 # ah 18.25.02 # I've no idea when he last updated that 18.25.40 # and I never tried it or shoe horning in svn support afterwards 18.25.46 # s/or/for 18.25.47 # it was about two months old. but a "git fetch" downloaded the latest revisions from svn 18.25.57 # hold on then 18.26.02 Part Agm3nt 18.26.04 # I'll try his method into a fresh tree 18.26.08 # and see if it works 18.26.10 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s189a.studby.ntnu.no) 18.26.56 # Rincewind: will take me a few minutes - that ok ? 18.27.00 # like I said, the only difference to a svn checkout is the missing $id in every file 18.27.16 # no prob, I've got time 18.27.43 # * GodEater_ is also in the middle of an emerge --sync which is chewing processor time 18.28.18 # Anyone could point me in the right direction in compiling rockbox on a mac? 18.28.27 # my laptop battery has got 2 hours left ^^ 18.29.42 # homielowe: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler 18.29.55 # n1s:thankyou 18.30.11 # homielowe: an easy way would be to use the vmware image on macosx .. :-) 18.30.54 # Rincewind: I'm on the git svn fetch stage 18.30.59 # I prefer to compile natively if thats the easier way :) 18.31.13 # heh 18.31.14 # it worked 18.31.42 # good to hear, tictoc. 18.32.08 Quit obo ("bye") 18.32.09 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 18.32.42 # thanks :) 18.33.39 # It seems there's nothing fundamentally preventing the install process on Vista, then. Hopefully the fix for RButil will not be too difficult. 18.33.50 Quit petur ("work->home") 18.33.57 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@47.59.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 18.33.59 Join eigma [0] (i=spnsxnqm@CABLE-206-188-76-21.cia.com) 18.34.05 # now i must figure out how to move music 18.34.12 # yes.. the only problem is finding the bug in rbutil.. :-) 18.34.28 # tictoc: Explorer? 18.34.56 # the drive doesnt come up as a letter somehow 18.35.06 # Oh... I forgot that about the Sansas 18.35.08 # Rincewind: it's currently churning through a build now - no problems so far 18.35.18 Quit grndslm (Remote closed the connection) 18.36.38 # yes.. now its up 18.38.12 # Rincewind: build finished 18.38.15 # no problems at all 18.38.22 # oh my dear it will take forever to transfer files 18.38.32 # strange 18.38.50 # Rincewind: I assume you've not modified your source tree at all ? 18.38.54 # No patches or anything ? 18.39.08 # i made a branch, applied a patch to it. 18.39.13 # then i switched back to master 18.39.33 # I am sure that the master wasn't changed at all by this 18.39.49 # so "git branch whatever" "git checkout whatever" "patch -p0 < thepatch.diff" and then "git checkout master" ? 18.40.14 # possibly with a "git commit -a" just before the last checkout of master 18.40.38 # git branch whatever, git checkout whatever, ...working there... git commit -a, git checkout master, try to build 18.41.00 # so if you do "git branch" it shows you're on master yes / 18.41.01 # ? 18.41.08 # I did a git svn rebase which pulled a one or two new commits 18.41.14 # yes, i am on master 18.41.20 # do a git reset --hard 18.41.25 # then try the compile again 18.41.57 # changed nothing 18.42.25 # and git status shows ? 18.42.31 # i searched with grep for this misterious gcc: unrecognized option '-070910"' but didn't find anything 18.42.50 # nothing added to commit but untracked files present (use "git add" to track) 18.43.40 # the untracked files are simbuild/ and a few files in tools/ which are generated during a build. nothing suspicious 18.44.10 # that's the date 18.44.32 # the -070910 18.44.41 # hm ok, so it is generated somewhere 18.44.43 # have you tried deleting your build directory 18.44.45 Part Domonoky 18.44.48 # and redoing configure 18.45.01 # yes, a few times 18.45.12 # which OS you on ? 18.45.14 # ubuntu ? 18.45.25 # ubuntu 7.10 gutsy 18.45.36 # wonder if this is a dash/bash issue 18.46.10 # the svn checkout on the same machine is working... 18.46.12 # and it's a sim you're trying to build, not an actual target 18.46.15 # i'm on gutsy as well - what's the problem? 18.47.15 # he checked out the code tree using git instead of svn 18.47.18 # and it won't build 18.47.28 # Rincewind: could you pastebin the entire error please ? 18.48.24 # Rincewind: it still could be a dash/bash issue 18.48.40 # could you redo the symlink from sh->dash 18.48.46 # and replace it with one to bash 18.48.48 # ? 18.49.04 # http://rafb.net/p/uJGuYS55.html 18.49.11 # the configure / make process tries to do some funky stuff with the svn version 18.49.17 # which doesn't work on a git tree 18.49.42 # and that gcc error is making me suspicious that that's the issue 18.49.46 # GodEater, I think you are on to something there 18.50.05 # with bash running configure it doesn't matter - you just get left with an empty version string 18.50.13 # but clearly dash is tripping on it 18.50.33 # are you okay redoing the symlink ? 18.50.57 # if you tell me exactly where and how... 18.51.23 # first do "which sh" 18.51.32 # and find out which directory it's in (/bin I'm guessing) 18.51.41 # maybe run with make V=1 so you see the gcc command line? 18.51.43 # I'm there 18.51.59 # then do "rm /bin/sh" 18.52.11 # followed by "ln -s /bin/bash sh" 18.52.54 # then wipe out your whole simbuild dir 18.52.58 # and re-run configure 18.53.11 Quit homielowe (Remote closed the connection) 18.54.20 # no, didn't change anything 18.54.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.55.06 # hmm 18.55.19 # do you have an svnversion.sh in the tools directory ? 18.55.34 # *ahem* maybe run with make V=1 so you see the gcc command line? 18.55.46 Quit Chronon ("Going to work") 18.55.48 # eigma: I try it now 18.56.04 # I don't think that helps 18.56.09 # we know the command line is broken 18.56.22 # at least we can find out *how*' it's boken 18.56.40 # that's somewhere in the process of constructing the Makefile 18.57.42 # gcc -I/home/rince/rockbox/firmware/target/coldfire/iriver/h100 -I/home/rince/rockbox/firmware/target/coldfire/iriver -I/home/rince/rockbox/firmware/target/coldfire -I/home/rince/rockbox/firmware/include -I/home/rince/rockbox/firmware/export -I. -I/home/rince/rockbox/simbuild -I/home/rince/rockbox/simbuild/bitmaps -I/home/rince/rockbox/simbuild/apps -Irecorder -Igui -W -Wall -g -fno-builtin -I/usr/include/SDL -D_GNU_SOURCE=1 -D_REENTRANT - 18.57.42 # I/home/rince/rockbox/uisimulator/sdl -Wno-pointer-sign -fno-strict-aliasing -DIRIVER_H120 -DYEAR=2007 -DMONTH=09 -DDAY=10 -DDEBUG -DTARGET_ID=9 -DAPPSVERSION=\"rexportiert -070910\" -DSIMULATOR -DMEM=32 -DTARGET_NAME=\"h120\" -c bookmark.c -o /home/rince/rockbox/simbuild/apps/bookmark.o 18.57.42 # gcc: unrecognized option '-070910"' 18.58.27 # well it's the DAPPSVERSION that's broken 18.59.12 # Rincewind: in simbuild, "grep VERSION Makefile" 18.59.15 # and post the output 18.59.51 # export VERSION=$(shell $(ROOTDIR)/tools/svnversion.sh $(ROOTDIR)) 18.59.53 Join agm3nt [0] (i=nat-107@nat.n3t.pl) 18.59.57 # anyone else have problems with mencoder and mpegplayer? 19.00.08 # Rincewind: good; now, from sim, "../tools/svnversion.sh .." and post the output 19.00.17 # * GodEater_ points upward to where he mentioned svnversion.sh earlier 19.00.22 # indeed 19.01.13 # http://rafb.net/p/9xQEom98.html 19.01.31 # nah, we all have a copy of that file 19.01.33 # Rincewind: we didn't ask you to cat it 19.01.35 # I need you to run it 19.02.07 # ahh ok 19.02.09 Join tedrock [0] (n=tedrock@d235-159-230.home1.cgocable.net) 19.02.27 # rexportiert -070910 19.02.38 # ok, there we have something 19.02.46 # now, we need to debug svnexport.sh 19.02.46 # where the hell is that rexportiert coming from 19.02.56 # go into your docs directory 19.03.00 # is there a file called VERSION 19.03.01 # maybe a german localisation? 19.03.06 # linuxstb_: and any seeking progress in mpegplayer? 19.03.18 # r_exportiert 19.03.28 # preglow: I was watching a movie (created with mencoder) yesterday and got a "packet error" or something like that 19.03.33 # And exportiert == exported 19.03.37 # -070910 <-- what I get 19.03.43 # eigma: no VERSION in docs 19.04.09 # Rincewind: okay, now go to your rockbox root, and run "svnversion .; svnversion tools" and post 19.04.11 # svnversion just returns a string "exported" when you run it on your own 19.04.15 # But I wonder why that version string confuses gcc 19.04.22 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 19.04.23 # It's a literal string after all... 19.04.25 # amiconn: space isn't propertly quited 19.04.28 # amiconn: the space in it I guess 19.04.28 # *quoted 19.04.51 # eigma: The whole stirng is quoted, isn't it? 19.04.54 # *string 19.05.14 # -DAPPSVERSION=\"rexportiert -070910\" 19.05.19 # it's escape-quoted so that it ends up quoted to the preprocessor. but on the shell command-line, spaces are free to split into two arguments 19.05.40 # proper quoting would be --> "-DAPPS...." 19.05.47 # I think I know the problem now. Normally it uses the svn revision, but when that isn't availiable it uses some output that says "exported xx" and my german string doesn't match this 19.05.51 # Bah, *nix shells are strange beats... 19.06.03 # Beasts even 19.06.12 # Rincewind: what is the output of svnversion on those two directories? 19.06.46 # eigma: svnversion gives "exportiert" 19.06.46 # Rincewind: indeed, it's not matching the string in svnversion.sh 19.07.07 # ok, so I have to make my own svnversion.sh 19.07.08 # Rincewind: what if you run: "LANG=C svnversion" 19.07.20 # we need to i18n our tools directory ;) 19.07.22 # no, heh, that won't solve the problem for Swedish, French, Russian, etc, etc 19.07.40 # eigma with LANG=C I get exported 19.07.48 # excellent, so that's the solution 19.07.55 # LANG=C configure ? 19.07.56 # replace "svnversion" with "LANG=C svnversion" 19.07.58 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 19.07.59 # no 19.08.06 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 19.08.06 # because this problem will just keep happening on people's systems 19.08.15 # svnversion needs to get patched with LANG=C in at least two place 19.08.20 # *places, that I can see 19.08.28 # ah - well someone with commit access should do that then 19.08.40 # * GodEater_ prods amiconn 19.08.46 # amiconn: can I send you a patch? 19.09.52 Quit tedrock (Client Quit) 19.09.54 Quit The-Compiler (Remote closed the connection) 19.10.00 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 19.10.09 Join tedrock [0] (n=tedrock@d235-159-230.home1.cgocable.net) 19.10.26 # eigma: put one in flyspray if he's gone all quiet 19.10.31 # * amiconn isn't sure he understands the problem 19.10.52 # svnversion outputs localized strings for "exported". svnversion compares against the English localization. 19.10.59 # svnversion.sh checks explicitly for "exported" as a return string from svnversion 19.11.21 # Rincewind: what is the output of LANG=C ./svnversion.sh 19.12.14 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@47.59.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 19.12.25 # * amiconn thinks it's strange that linux has localised output from command line tools 19.12.38 Join petur2 [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 19.13.01 # mom 19.13.09 Quit petur (Nick collision from services.) 19.13.12 # ? 19.13.15 Nick petur2 is now known as petur (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 19.13.19 # when I tried the latest snapshot of gcc 4.3 I got all output in swedish all of a sudden, very confusing IMO 19.13.20 # svn: '/tools' does not exist 19.13.20 # r-070910 19.14.01 # what about "LANG=C ./svnversion.sh .." 19.14.05 # amiconn: I don't like this either, because most of the time the localisations are not very good 19.14.32 # I find it strange, as I don't expect it for commandline. A gui should of course be localised 19.14.50 # eigma: -070910 19.14.57 # that works then 19.15.04 # anyone objects to me moving ipf specific code from pcm_playback.c to a new file firmware/target/arm/pnx0101/iriver-ifp7xx/pcm-ifp7xx.c ? 19.15.18 # n1s: I almost have a patch for that 19.15.30 # ok, so we only have to decide where to put the LANG=C, right? 19.15.48 # I'd prepend it to the 2 svnversion calls in svnversion.sh 19.15.51 # Rincewind: well, I don't like "-070910" as an output from svnversion.sh 19.15.53 # eigma: oh, how finished is it and will you submit it soon? 19.16.36 # n1s: builds all hardware arm targets, haven't tried sims. I don't have a device, so I can't test that. I also don't have commit so I'll just have to put it in flyspray. 19.16.43 Quit The-Compiler (Client Quit) 19.16.56 # Rincewind: doesn't give any information about your revision 19.16.57 # Iiuc svnversion.sh is supposed to output unknown-YYMMDD if it doesn't find the revision 19.17.04 # amiconn: exactly 19.17.24 # eigma: if you put it on flyspray I can commit it if no one obejcts 19.17.35 # this is the string that should come out of it: "r14662-070910" 19.17.39 # n1s: give me a day or so 19.17.56 # unknown-date looks ok, too 19.18.16 # Rincewind: once again, from your root rockbox directory, what is the output of "svnversion .; svnversion tools" 19.18.18 # Rincewind: Not if you run it on a source tree that is not an svn working copy 19.18.32 # Aren't there quotes missing in snversion.sh line 22? 19.18.43 # doesn't make a difference because there are no spaces 19.19.10 # it's just a command line, and the first quotes are removed before passing to the "[" command anyway 19.19.18 # Okay, but it's odd to use quotes in line 18 and no quotes in line 22 imho 19.19.31 # I'm just saying it's functionally correct 19.19.35 # but i agree that it's bad style 19.19.39 # eigma: the output is "exportiert" (without quotes) 19.19.44 # Rincewind: for both? 19.19.49 # for both, yes 19.20.24 # then the output of an unmodified svnversion.sh, without LANG=C, should be rexportiert-YYMMDD 19.20.34 # Rincewind: can you confirm this/ 19.20.55 # On my linux box, 'svnversion' outputs 'exportiert' but 'LANG=C svnversion' outputs 'exported' 19.21.05 # rexportiert -070910 19.21.22 # there is a space between rexportiert and - 19.21.27 # indeed 19.21.44 # There is a space at the end of the localised string: 'exportiert ' 19.22.01 # oh! 19.22.07 # well, that's silly 19.22.18 # Yes it is, but it's also a fact... 19.22.25 # indeed 19.22.38 # So the LANG=C will fix the problem 19.23.01 # who did the eq presets, again? 19.23.08 # I would agree; prepend LANG=C before svnversion. I would also add a comment stating why it's necessary. I can make the patch, but it's pretty easy 19.23.23 # preglow: someone with an English-localized machine ;) 19.23.56 # i think it's really weird all the lowshelf filtesr have a 60 hz cutoff, the effect on the bass is almost non-existant 19.24.06 # oh, lol 19.24.10 # my bad 19.24.42 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 19.26.20 # I just made the fix locally and I am doing a compile now. No errors sofar 19.27.34 # eigma: line 27 should set SVNVER not SVNALT iiuc... 19.27.56 # amiconn: yes 19.27.57 # (but the 'unknown' thing still doesn't work with that fix...) 19.28.22 # could you be more explicit? 19.28.42 # I get 'r-070910' if I run the script on an arbitrary dir 19.28.48 # amiconn: I think so too, SVNVER is the output 19.28.55 # Ah, and I know why... 19.29.09 # using $1 instead of $TOP? 19.29.40 # If the second 'svnver' call _fails_, the output is not "exported" so line 25 sets SVNVER, not line 27 ... 19.29.52 # *sigh* 19.30.02 # And if there's not 'tools' sub-dir, it does of course fail... 19.30.08 # s/not/no/ 19.31.02 Join Frazz [0] (n=Fraser@thelawsons.plus.com) 19.32.46 Join Wiwie [0] (n=goddi@86-41-109-240.b-ras2.lmk.limerick.eircom.net) 19.34.06 # with the LANG=C fix my rockbox-info.txt has this line "Version: -070910" 19.34.12 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.34.35 # yeah, because svnversion is broken for two exported's 19.37.20 # thank you all for debugging this for me! 19.39.57 # amiconn: Will viewports allow WPS creators to use different fonts ? 19.40.10 # or is that still going to be a strict no-no ? 19.40.15 # Rincewind: get this svnversion: http://www.scesoc.ca/~cat/arm/mrobe/svnversion.sh 19.40.37 # GodEater: That would have nothing to do with viewports. And imo it's a no-no 19.40.48 Join coma` [0] (n=Coma@84.94.133.42.cable.012.net.il) 19.40.55 Nick coma` is now known as coma- (n=Coma@84.94.133.42.cable.012.net.il) 19.41.03 # amiconn: thought as much 19.42.06 # Hi! I'm trying to install Rockbox on my Sansa e250, and I've tried both MSC and MTP USB modes, and even Recovery Mode, but the sansapatcher (Windows, running Vista 64) never detects it. 19.43.19 # eigma: thanks. I got my version of the script running and I think I just wait for it to appear in svn 19.43.41 # eigma: but if you want I can test it for you 19.43.44 # please 19.44.47 # rince@ankh-morpork:/tmp$ ./svnversion.sh 19.44.47 # svn: '../tools' does not exist 19.44.47 # unknown-070910 19.44.50 # coma-, do you have a rhapsody edition or plain 19.45.06 # plain, and the American version I think because I have FM radio 19.45.21 # Rincewind: and in your source/simbuild/tools directories? 19.45.35 # Rincewind: also, try running it from your source, but with "/" as the first argument 19.45.52 # I thougt I take the easy way first ^^ 19.46.06 # advcomp: what is UMS mode? Is it the same as MSC? 19.46.19 # yes it is 19.46.48 # bah 19.47.01 # is there any way i could manually install it? :x 19.47.49 # amiconn: could you also test that script, make sure it works correctly in all situations? 19.48.09 # It doesn't 19.48.19 # what's the corner case this time? 19.48.33 # It will also output 'r-YYMMDD' if the command fails 19.48.41 # rince@ankh-morpork:~/rockbox/simbuild$ ../tools/svnversion.sh . 19.48.41 # svn: 'tools' does not exist 19.48.41 # unknown-070910 19.48.41 DBUG Enqueued KICK Rincewind 19.48.41 # rince@ankh-morpork:~/rockbox/simbuild$ ../tools/svnversion.sh / 19.48.41 # svn: '/tools' does not exist 19.48.42 *** Alert Mode level 1 19.48.42 # unknown-070910 19.48.56 # eh? 19.49.18 # coma-, i am not sure 19.49.26 # amiconn: show me 19.50.17 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 19.50.17 # * amiconn is completely confused now and will refrain from committing changes to that script 19.50.22 # looks good when svnversion doesn't exist: PATH="/bin" ./svnversion.sh 19.50.34 # ./svnversion.sh: 38: svnversion: not found / unknown-070910 19.51.21 # the tab style is 4 spaces? 19.54.01 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@47.59.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 19.54.49 # eigma: yes 19.55.23 Quit Buschel_ () 19.56.21 Part elcasey 19.57.09 Quit einhirn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.57.18 # *sigh* I was supposed to get textbooks today, and look what I'm doing 19.58.43 *** Alert Mode OFF 20.01.39 Part agm3nt 20.01.53 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7748 20.02.01 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@bas3-montreal28-1177918709.dsl.bell.ca) 20.02.43 Join funky_ [0] (n=repulse@81.202.252.240.dyn.user.ono.com) 20.03.13 Join userek [0] (n=userek@maciejb.tvsat364.lodz.pl) 20.03.16 # hi 20.03.32 # is there any chance for ipod shuffle 2g support? :) 20.03.37 Quit pondlife ("disconnected has pondlife") 20.03.45 # my, those chances are small 20.03.59 Quit Wiwie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.04.00 # unlike 1g it has some arm procesor so there is a compiller for it 20.05.20 # well, if the core is anything like on the nano2g, we have no idea how it works 20.05.34 # and if the encryption is anything like on the nano2g, we can't stuff code on it anyway 20.06.08 # well, probably there is some encryption 20.06.12 Join bluebrother [0] (i=c4LtTuIK@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 20.06.34 # amiconn: I think eigma's fix at #7748 can be commited. I tested it with a svn tree (where it correctly outputs the revision) and my git tree (where it prints unknown) 20.06.59 # damn, my dreams about the better firmware for shuffle are gone :P 20.08.39 # * bluebrother wonders why a function is needed for that fix 20.09.02 # userek: not gone, just, really, really remote 20.10.01 # hmm, since-4weeks.html isn't linked anymore :/ 20.10.02 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@f051073219.adsl.alicedsl.de) 20.10.49 Quit hcs (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.11.44 # bluebrother, I miss since-4weeks, too 20.11.58 # well, I notices the page itself is still around. 20.12.15 # but the new front page looks really ugly on my not-so-wide monitor 20.12.18 # the commit messages on the front page would be nice, too 20.12.45 # why not put everything to a "News" page and just leave the svn log on the front page? 20.15.21 # I'm looking for RbutilQt, and I've googled a little but can't seem to find it. Any ideas? Or well, I did find one, but I don't know if it's the latest version. 20.15.30 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@66.172.231.192) 20.15.37 # http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/RockboxUtilityQt :) 20.15.51 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtilityQt 20.16.09 # Thanks :) 20.16.30 # btw, it's linked from the Docs Index wiki page ;-) 20.17.59 Quit The-Compiler ("Connection reseted by god") 20.18.31 Quit advcomp2019 (Nick collision from services.) 20.18.35 Nick advcomp2019_ is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@66.172.231.192) 20.18.41 Join ptw419 [0] (i=ptw419@66-90-157-228.dyn.grandenetworks.net) 20.20.25 # >< well, didn't search anywhere 20.20.27 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@47.59.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 20.20.42 # but both rbutilqt and sansapatcher can't detect my e250 ;_; 20.21.33 # well rbutil uses sansapatcher, so if one doesn't detect the player the other one most likely won't too. 20.21.40 # bleh ;_; 20.21.48 # have you checked to have the correct permissions for raw disc access? 20.22.28 # well, i'm on vista and logged on as admin, and i used the sansa firmware updater earlier today, so it should be ok 20.22.38 # and that the sansa is in msc mode.. (you can see it as a drive letter) 20.22.41 Quit The-Compiler (Remote closed the connection) 20.22.42 # yup 20.23.06 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@47.59.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 20.23.08 # maybe it's a vista issue? I don't think sansapatcher was tested on vista ... 20.23.19 # bleh 20.23.23 # people use vista??? 20.23.23 # ill just go try it on my dad's laptop 20.23.34 # it's not even close to being as bad as people say 20.23.45 # and if it's a vista issue, maybe you could help fixing it? ;-) 20.23.47 # this is the only thing that didn't work in nearly 3 months 20.24.00 # me? o_o how? 20.24.05 # windows is bad anyway :P 20.24.24 # yeah, but linux is a bit of a headache for me =p 20.24.32 # that is why i keep xp 20.24.39 # can't be. Windows is the real headache ;-) 20.24.41 # and linux 20.24.56 Quit spiorf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.25.21 # all the linux distros i tried give me a black screen with the nvidia 8800gts 20.25.36 # except when you run them in safe graphics mode, but after install they still give a black screen =\ 20.25.46 # I think that sansapatcher stumbles upon uac 20.27.35 Join linuxstb [0] (i=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 20.28.19 # amiconn: uac? 20.28.28 # bluebrother: well, because the function gets called twice.. so it avoids code duplication 20.28.42 # linuxstb: user account control, a vista safety feature 20.29.12 # Ah yes, I seem to remember a forum post about that for either sansapatcher or ipodpatcher. 20.29.54 # btw: i tried to update the bootloader for the sansa e280 of my brother and rbutilqt failed (on windows2000) 20.30.13 # any error message? 20.30.30 # I don't remember and I am not at home at the moment 20.31.08 # a rockbox update did work 20.31.55 # I have to shut down now, my battery is empty 20.31.57 # bye 20.32.01 Quit Rincewind ("Verlassend") 20.32.05 # well, I previously had the impression that something is fishy regarding sansapatcher. Unfortunately I have no possiblitly for testing. 20.32.19 Join lazka [0] (n=lazka@83-65-239-217.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) 20.34.19 Quit userek ("Leaving") 20.35.04 Join obo [0] (n=obo@rockbox/developer/obo) 20.37.29 # ugh 20.37.33 # the new front page layout is horrible 20.38.47 # I agreee too kind of 20.39.20 # yeps. It's too wide and leaves out interesting information (svn commit messages) 20.39.24 # well.. i went and tried sansapatcher on my dad's XP laptop, and it didn't work there either 20.39.26 Join XavierGr_ [0] (n=xavier@ppp256-160.adsl.forthnet.gr) 20.39.32 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518]") 20.39.35 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 20.44.02 # coma-: Are you logged in as Adminstator (or a user with admin rights)? 20.45.29 Nick BigMac_ is now known as BigMac (n=mike@c-71-234-95-131.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) 20.46.27 # linuxstb: Even as admin, uac will prevent sansapatcher from working 20.46.45 # (on vista of course) 20.47.22 # sansapatcher doesn't have enough spyware in it to work on vista :) 20.47.23 # That sounds a bit severe... 20.48.22 # Well, the main problem regarding security on XP wasn't that XP is insecure by design, but its default configuration is insecure, 20.48.25 Join low_light [0] (i=c730190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-27cfb683d4019d21) 20.48.54 Nick funky_ is now known as kubrick (n=repulse@81.202.252.240.dyn.user.ono.com) 20.48.56 Nick kubrick is now known as funky (n=repulse@81.202.252.240.dyn.user.ono.com) 20.48.58 # linuxstb: yup 20.49.08 # and disabling uac is the first thing i did after installing vista 20.49.12 # so freaking annoying 20.49.32 # got a question...the c200 bootloader loads the firmware to 0x14000000, but that's not in dram? 20.49.38 # and like i said, it doesn't work on my dad's XP laptop, also running as admin 20.49.39 # because all users created during setup have administrative rights, meaning that users with little knowledge usually work with admin rightds all the time 20.49.51 # not really 20.50.03 # most people work with admin on XP because many everyday things require you to have admin 20.50.12 # like installing some games 20.50.18 # coma:-: 1) It's definitely an E250, not E250R? 2) It's in UMS mode, and it appears as a drive letter? 20.50.23 # installing != daily work 20.50.24 # yup 20.50.29 # it is 20.50.37 # So microsoft invented uac, meaning that even programs started by admins don't get admin rights without explicitly requesting them 20.51.02 # And even if you need to install something, there is "Run as...". Works with most setups 20.51.03 Quit funky ("leaving") 20.51.04 # well, they copied the idea off linux to add security, but it's hugely annoying 20.51.28 Join hanklords [0] (n=hank@lev92-1-81-57-180-162.fbx.proxad.net) 20.51.36 # but run as didn't exist in XP, and i run as admin just so i don't have to deal with all that 20.51.41 Quit nekura42 ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") 20.51.42 # It did 20.51.54 # I am using it very often 20.51.56 # can't be bothered, and i don't really click links 20.51.58 # runas even existed in w2k 20.51.59 # it did? 20.52.09 # well, my bad then 20.52.12 # though you needed to call it manually iirc. 20.52.22 # still, sansapatcher doesn't work =[ 20.52.37 # it'd be great if i could download the bootloader rom somewhere 20.52.56 # if you drop it in the sansa hidden partition (that you can get to show when you run it in recovery mode), it restarts and installs it by itself 20.53.19 # http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/e200/ 20.53.49 # woo 20.53.51 # lets try 20.53.53 # If you do that, make sure you have a copy of the original firmware mi4 as well - rename it to OF.mi4 and put it in the /System folder. 20.54.13 # Otherwise dual-boot won't work and you'll lose USB functionality... 20.54.21 # hm 20.54.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.54.35 # it comes as an exe though =\ 20.54.39 # time to find the temp dir 20.55.08 # or not =p 20.55.11 # http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html 20.55.13 # it just copies it to the hidden partition 20.55.18 # * linuxstb feels like google 20.55.37 # yeah i know that page, but it has a more up to date version that seems slower than the one i have o_o 20.56.02 # but the PP5022.mi4 of the original one doesn't seem to be just the bootloader, but the firmware as well 20.56.05 # it's 5mb big 20.56.15 # it also created another file called BL_SD_boardSupportSD.rom 20.56.40 # Yes, the mi4 is the firmwre, BL_ is the bootloader 20.56.40 Quit low_light ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 20.57.42 Join Ebert [0] (n=EbErT@adsl-145-72-140.asm.bellsouth.net) 20.57.51 # hm, /System as in the one in the MSC mode drive? 20.58.33 # Yes 20.59.03 Quit Arathis (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.59.24 Join Redbreva [0] (n=chatzill@host86-140-15-19.range86-140.btcentralplus.com) 20.59.46 # yay 20.59.49 # rockbox loaded 21.00.20 # ;_; 21.00.34 # said Bad checksum when it tried to load /System/OF.mi4 21.00.40 # is there any specific version i should have? 21.00.41 Join DefineByte [0] (n=DefineBy@bb-87-81-195-5.ukonline.co.uk) 21.01.42 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host65-213-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 21.02.11 Quit hanklords ("Konversation terminated!") 21.05.10 # linuxstb? ;_; 21.07.30 # coma-, what version of the sansa firmware did you install 21.07.55 # i had the base one, 01.00.12 21.08.48 # ill try using the one from http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html 21.09.28 # Domonoky: do you know how to figure the PID / VIDs of usb devices on windows? 21.10.16 # I was googling around quite a bit the other day but either wasn't successful or didn't got it working 21.10.27 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 21.10.46 # the daniel one works :x 21.16.55 Quit Rondom (Nick collision from services.) 21.17.11 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A9628D.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.20.33 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@c-71-205-0-132.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 21.21.44 # bluebrother: no that seems to be difficult, especially the mapping of Pid&vids to drives.. 21.22.43 # bluebrother: a possible (and crossplattform ) way would be to use libusb i think... but then we have a added depency.. 21.24.20 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b9bdd.ucd.ie) 21.24.24 # libusb hasn't proven straightforward so far on Windows... 21.26.10 Quit qweru ("moo") 21.26.12 Quit desowin ("use linux") 21.29.39 Join webguest52 [0] (i=4ce6b866@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-db1bcc64d5ee7e67) 21.31.16 # Domonoky: the problem with libusb is that it requires a driver on windows ... and I'd like to be able detecting the player type without any additional installs at least. 21.37.08 # then do some windows specific code as well 21.37.11 # that doesn't need libusb 21.37.14 Quit The-Compiler (Remote closed the connection) 21.37.47 # that way my idea -- I just such with windows and didn't manage to get it working ;-) 21.37.58 # maybe it's also related to the fact that I'm using mingw. 21.40.10 # mingw should work nice 21.40.49 # seems I need to investigate harder. Just hoped someone is more used to that stuff than I am 21.41.11 # i've used mingw for tons of windows stuff, but never anything usb 21.44.08 # amiconn: is loading a short from memory much slower than loading a long for coldfire or arm? 21.45.29 # depends on alignment 21.45.31 # arm's are risc processors, right? 21.45.36 # tictoc: yes 21.45.55 # loading an unaligned short is slower on coldfire, and perhaps even one cycles slower anyway (can't remember the last) 21.46.01 # on arm, it's not slower, afaik 21.46.17 # and now that i think about it, it being slower on coldfire for aligned access makes no sense... 21.46.17 # Loading a short is never slower than loading a long. However, loading 2 shorts instead of one long is always slower 21.46.45 # preglow: I was looking at some of the const iram tables in tremor and some of those don't need to be longs which could save a bit of iram which will be usefull if we want to use gcc 4.x sometime 21.46.47 # i tried to load pacbox and it seems the rom is missing? it says No ROMs in /.rockbox/pacman/ 21.46.59 # do i have to download it like Doom? 21.47.16 # well, I guess I'll have to do a bit of trial & error benchamarking then :-) 21.47.35 # coma-: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginPacbox 21.47.49 # n1s: useful anyway, if you ask me 21.47.53 # coma-: yep, you need to dump the roms from your pacman arcade machine 21.47.56 # do you have a load of rockbox links in a script? :D 21.48.04 # n1s: Hmm, in that case the sign extension will be an extra cost. 21.48.15 # DefineByte: I'm a bot. 21.48.15 # thanks again :p 21.48.35 # amiconn: right, our coldfire has no sign-extending load, does it 21.48.40 # that's a v4 feature, i think 21.48.54 # coldfire doesn't extend at all on load 21.49.11 # amiconn: will it sign extend for unsigned too? 21.49.15 # there's an mvs instruction, i think, but we don't have it 21.49.28 # n1s: Unsigned needs to be zero extended 21.49.38 # if you're a bot you must be pretty smart. i didn't mention your name but you knew it was a q for you. x) 21.49.40 # arm zero extends by default iirc 21.49.59 # SH1 (not relevant regarding Tremor) always sign-extends 21.50.17 Join MikeTk [0] (n=Che@pool-68-161-150-222.ny325.east.verizon.net) 21.51.52 # Hola gang. Any one know if Rockbox works as is on the new 160GB iPod "Classic?" I don't have one yet, or I'd just try it myself. 21.52.26 # it doesn't 21.52.40 # any photos of it nude yet? 21.52.46 # yes 21.52.50 # url? 21.53.00 # do the head-fi ones count? 21.53.02 # http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iPod/iPod-Classic 21.53.09 # http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iPod/iPod-Nano-3rd-Generation 21.53.26 # not very hires, but still 21.53.34 # are you allowed to post that kind of porn here? 21.53.51 # Bagder: seen any chip id attempts? 21.54.27 # nope, but its fun to compare with this pic => http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/ipod-2g.ars/4 21.54.31 # 2nd gen nano 21.54.36 # meh, this will not be possible to benchmark as those tables are only used for floor0 and afaik our codec can't handle those files... 21.54.49 # n1s: it does, i think 21.54.51 # but not optimally 21.55.20 # preglow: any idea where I can find such a file then? 21.55.26 # nope 21.55.40 # but i wouldn't waste any iram on floor0 files 21.55.42 # they are very rare 21.56.01 # Thanks for the info. I'll keep an eye on the projects if/when I get my 160. 21.56.54 # anyone have the c200 working who noticed lack of volume? 21.57.00 # Bagder: Did you see my comments re. para 9 of the GPL? 21.57.10 # preglow: I know, but we waste plenty of iram on those although I don't know if we can use it for something better, with gcc3.4 most of the important code fits in iram with -O3 21.57.26 # linuxstb: yes, but I haven't read it through not given it the proper thought yet 21.57.56 # if I want to use the audio buffer in my plugin can I just call plugin_get_audio_buffer() and use the returned addrress, or is there more I have to do? 21.58.08 # how the heck is ARM a RISC processor? it's got one of the most complex instruction sets I've seen 21.58.12 Quit Genre9mp3 () 21.59.03 # MikeTk: I think that should be enough. That function should take care of everything else (i.e. stopping audio playback). 21.59.05 # eigma: you checked POWER? 21.59.16 # thanks 21.59.23 # RISC these days aren't much "reduced" instruction sets 21.59.32 # "POWER"? 21.59.38 # you mean power consumption? 21.59.39 # yes? 21.59.42 # or, is there a reason why there should be clicks when the volume gets turned up above 0ish, but is barely audible, when the sansa fw can do much higher volume. 21.59.45 # power as the father of powerpc 22.00.16 # does that also have a very complex instruction set? 22.00.23 # another risc cpu with a very large set of instructions 22.00.28 # quite complex, yes 22.00.57 # afaik, MIPS is one of the original risc ones that truly has a small set 22.00.59 # my conception of RISC is the PIC's instruction set 22.01.15 Join Chronon [0] (i=Chronon@d23-104.uoregon.edu) 22.01.22 Join nerochiaro [0] (n=nerochia@adsl203-164-174.mclink.it) 22.03.31 # eigma: you mad? it's only got about 30 instructions or so 22.03.46 # eigma: some of the instructions can do a lot, but the instruction set itself is still small 22.03.51 # not exactly "mad" - just confused; and we should probably take this in -community 22.04.01 # mad is common too :P 22.04.07 Join greenlemon [0] (n=greenlem@bl9-244-176.dsl.telepac.pt) 22.04.22 # arm isn't as risc as sh, but i think that's a good thing 22.04.29 Join Rincewind [0] (i=DvW0ZFwH@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 22.04.37 # risc isn't exactly all it was touted to be once 22.04.43 # indeed not 22.04.57 # risc is now more a fixed instruction size and pipelines, or something like that 22.05.03 # as with most other things in life, i think a balanced approach is best 22.05.12 # I like the ARM instruction set very much, actually; I just have a different definition of RISC than Wikipedia ;) 22.05.19 # hey! i was wondering where i can get recent patched versions so i can use the different themes, evilg's uses a quite old build from may :\ 22.05.24 # arm is pretty decent 22.05.31 # i prefer coldfire, but it's not bad at all 22.06.20 # could someone who can commit take another look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7748 22.06.36 # greenlemon: you might want to look into compiling your own. 22.06.47 # i don't feel too qualified to commit that 22.07.10 # preglow: can you test it and add comments? 22.07.38 # i'd rather prefer not to :> working on non-rockbox stuff right now 22.07.42 # i once actually did compile but i've formatted my pc since and its a bit of a hassle to install everything again, i was just wondering if there is anything like ready made avaiable online or so 22.08.32 # not one that is updated that often 22.09.09 # oh ok 22.09.37 # do you know any launched after the 7th of august though? 22.10.10 # The VMWare image is pre-configured. Not much hassle at all. 22.10.28 # any builds will likely be in the forum 22.10.32 # oh ok 22.10.34 # thanks! :) 22.10.42 Quit tictoc (Remote closed the connection) 22.10.55 Quit e-ric (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.12.57 Join tictoc [0] (i=tabac@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xB9002659) 22.16.08 Quit barrywardell () 22.16.51 # eigma: about the svnversion.sh patch - maybe it is better not to rewrite the whole file. The function adds more lines of code and is called only twice anyway. People prefer KISS here. 22.18.10 # But I don't know really, my own patches have a tendancy to sit on the tracker for ages without making it... 22.18.47 # functions are kiss... 22.20.03 # Rincewind: the you either make patches that noone want's to commit or you don't nag us enough :-) 22.20.21 # For anyone who care about the c200 port, I added patches to get plugins working at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7749 22.20.32 Nick parafin is now known as parafin|away (i=parafin@paraf.in) 22.20.36 # Make sure to use the one I put in the first comment of the task instead of the actual task 22.21.38 # I suppose I nagged about the rec button patch enough... The best attribute about it might be 'controversial' 22.22.24 # what's it about? 22.22.34 # Rincewind: that kind of change is very controversial here and no one likes to commit stuff like that unless there is at least some support from the rest of the devs 22.23.28 # n1s: I know :( 22.23.36 # maxkelley: how does your new patch relate to #7732 ? 22.24.00 # It's a replacement.. how can I modify the previous one/delete it? 22.24.02 Quit coma- () 22.24.07 # and an addition. 22.24.58 Quit GodEater (Connection timed out) 22.25.33 # maxkelly: there is no way to replace an attachment in a flyspray entry. You have to comment with your new versions 22.26.21 # ah, ok. I moused over my name though, and it says "ability to edit own tasks -- yes" 22.26.23 Quit BigMac ("Konversation terminated!") 22.26.29 # Rincewind: ask and ye shall receive - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7748 - can you please test the minimal patch? 22.27.10 Quit webguest52 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.27.21 # maxkelley: I can close it if you'd like 22.27.26 # btw, I got a "Warning: mime_magic: invalid type 0 in mconvert()." message at the top of the page after uploading; is this known? 22.27.42 # eigma: that's exactly the change I made myself 22.27.51 # n1s: that'd be nice.. the newer one replaces it entirely. 22.28.11 # well, more accurately, it includes it. 22.28.36 # maxkelley: ok, closed 22.28.54 # eigma: I don't know if the minimal version is liked better by the core devs. I just wouldn't like this patch to be forgotten because it changes too much and isn't commited because of this 22.28.56 # thanks. 22.29.12 Quit MikeTk ("-") 22.29.13 # sure, I understand 22.29.17 # the options are there 22.29.38 # should I create a mediumly minimal patch? ;) 22.29.44 # eigma: I can't test it right now, because I don't have git on this computer at the moment 22.30.21 # Hmm, I checked again, and now I understand how that patch works 22.30.30 # I like the version using a function better 22.30.39 # * eigma cheers 22.30.55 Join BigMac [0] (n=mike@c-71-234-95-131.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) 22.31.15 # First I overlooked that the command output is checked twice 22.32.02 Quit DefineByte () 22.32.41 # when this gets commited I get a chance to find out how git handles conflicts and reverting of files ^^ 22.33.02 # Rincewind: why do you use git as opposed to svn? 22.33.12 Join olle_ [0] (n=olle@81-231-71-96-no35.tbcn.telia.com) 22.33.23 # * bluebrother wonders why using git-svn hinders someone from using svn the same time 22.33.38 Quit olle_ (Client Quit) 22.33.52 # eigma: First of all to try it out. The second reason is, that I want to try to use the same code base on my desktop pc and my laptop 22.33.53 # * amiconn can't see any advantage in using git 22.34.07 # cool 22.34.24 # * scorche hands amiconn some glasses 22.34.32 # heh 22.34.40 # git has some upsides and some downsides, I'd say 22.34.43 # git has some advantages, especially when working offline. But I agree that there is no real advantage for the main rockbox repo 22.34.47 # bluebrother: I don't know, maybe it is possible to use both in paralell. 22.34.55 # well, I do. 22.35.15 # the only disadvantages i see are the work required to change to a new system, and devs being more familiar with SVN than git 22.35.23 # it's simply two different trees ... why should there be a problem in using both? 22.35.49 # no good git client for windows is another great disadvantage IMO 22.35.56 # scorche: the lack of a windows version may be considered a con to some... 22.36.06 # ah...forgot about that as well 22.36.08 # um, is it possible to use the rockbox sim over network X11? 22.36.15 # eigma: yes 22.36.18 # sorry, *goes to wiki* 22.36.21 # I don't see any reason why not.. 22.36.39 # * bluebrother too slow 22.36.49 # well, it barfed some stuff about fbdev, and I figured it may only work with a real /dev/fb0 22.37.23 # Cygwin provides git 22.37.37 # amiconn: yes, but today people can use tortoise for example 22.37.46 # native windows, not cygwin 22.37.57 # I know. 22.38.03 # * amiconn doesn't like tortoise 22.38.05 # i would not wish on anyone to be required to use cygwin... 22.38.06 # I hope more companies would choose the same path as AMD.... http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjA0Ng 22.38.46 # XavierGr_: we have a channel for offtopic conversation now ;) 22.38.47 # XavierGr_: that's awesome 22.39.17 # wow, that's pretty nice. 22.39.30 # scorche: I don't find it off-topic it has to do with PP that require ndas 22.39.51 # bluebrother: I suppose I coud check out and update rockbox using svn and import this tree in git. Then I would have to commit every svn update in my git repository. The way I use git-svn now is easier to maintain for me, the only 'problem' is that I don't have svn revision numbers 22.39.52 # a major hindrance in rockbox develpment 22.39.54 # http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2007/09/09/manufacturers-hate-customers/ 22.40.07 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@p54BD5F27.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.40.09 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 22.40.12 # XavierGr_: yes, but it is amd...not nvidia 22.40.30 # I wonder what that new sansa has inside 22.40.36 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.40.40 # as well, just a GPU and not embedded SoC 22.40.41 # love 22.40.43 # Rincewind: I don't see your point: git svn rebase simply does updating. And you can svn co to a different folder anyway 22.40.50 # that's the way I'm working. 22.40.52 # I hate that manufacturers think that customers are too stupid to use a screwdriver, or at least don't provide for those that are able to. 22.41.02 # that big screen and video support sounds like it needs some power for it 22.41.28 Quit nicktastic ("Leaving") 22.41.31 # bluebrother: I think I don't understand what you are saying 22.42.43 Quit greenlemon () 22.43.22 # is there any reason why the H10 20gb freezes after everysong? 22.43.26 # Bagder: what are your thoughts on this issue with dual-booting for the Rs?...the part i dont get about the whole thing, is that i dual-boot just fine 22.43.57 # I would say it seems like there's a problem there for some people... 22.44.16 # tracking that down might require some fun poking and disassembly or similar 22.44.39 # yes, but wouldnt one think that i would have a problem as well?...it seems like i am the only one who has no issues with it 22.44.47 # scorche: did you build your own rockbox? if so, does your rockbox build allow dual-booting on other R's? 22.45.10 # maxkelley: i performed the installation, and then write that tutorial of what i did for everyone else to use 22.45.18 # s/write/wrote 22.46.01 # well, perhaps there's something of a coincidence or whatever. Clearly people have problems... and when they have rockbox running and they can select the OF, I can't see how they could have messed up in very many wats 22.46.14 # ways 22.46.29 # i cant either...it just seems very odd that i am the only one who can dual boot 22.46.47 # oh, and my C200 can't boot the OF :) The sansa firmware.mi4 goes in SYSTEM/OF.mi4, right? 22.46.48 # I agree 22.47.04 # Bagder: do you mind if I submit your blog post to programming.reddit.com? 22.47.12 # feel free 22.47.17 # I'll vote it up. 22.47.30 # Rincewind: gimme a link when you're done. 22.48.05 # Rincewind: same, please 22.48.08 # Bagder: it is almost making me want to go and get another R to see if i can dual boot on that one... 22.48.53 # scorche: make an image or something of your E200R, send it to someone else with one, see if it works. 22.49.18 # maxkelley: i cant really, as part of the installation process involves an area i cant access 22.50.09 # ? 22.50.23 # well, i can still host my OF.mi4 and such and have them load it... 22.50.42 # perhaps you have an e200 disguised as an R :p 22.50.48 # i dont 22.51.01 Part Redbreva 22.51.24 # that's quite a difference that is easy to see 22.51.32 # I was joking :) 22.51.40 # they actually exist 22.52.02 # yup, but mine isnt one of those 22.52.06 # or rather e200 models that have some signs of R on them 22.52.14 # try giving your OF.mi4 to someone else. or your rockbox bootloader, or something. 22.52.40 # http://programming.reddit.com/info/2nwbi/comments 22.52.46 # yay 22.52.57 # Bagder: would an improper OF.mi4 produce these results? 22.53.14 # hardly, then it wouldn't start at all 22.53.17 Quit petur ("SWITCHING") 22.53.22 # Bagder: the top urls don't work in opera 22.53.24 # fancy :> 22.53.25 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 22.53.51 Quit Frazz (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.53.53 # Bagder: i mean the results the users are experiencing 22.53.54 # what top urls? 22.53.59 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 22.54.08 # Bagder: prev/next article 22.54.19 # scorche: I meant that too. Their OF start as I've understood them, but then just doesn't work right 22.54.24 # or whatever they are, they point to other posts, heh 22.54.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.54.34 # I blame opera 22.54.37 # :-) 22.54.55 # Bagder: from what it sounds like, the rockbox bootloader executes them, but then the screen fades to white, then just fades more 22.55.06 # Bagder: works in 9.5 22.55.36 # as a note, mine fades to white as well, but only for a second and then it goes to the OF 22.55.40 # scorche: you mean they never see any signs of the OF working? If so, it sounds like bad mi4s or similar 22.56.04 # Bagder: that is what it sounds like 22.56.13 # scorche: compare your sansa OF version with someone else who's experiencing the problem, and get them to try with your firmware version. 22.56.14 # maybe I should learn to read the small print... 22.56.35 # maxkelley: that is what i am doing now (hosting my OF.mi4) 22.56.38 # shoot, how do I change ticket properties (Category) after it's been created? 22.56.51 # ah, ok. 22.57.09 Join qweru [0] (n=kvirc@bb-87-80-66-156.ukonline.co.uk) 22.58.20 Quit RudMan (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference") 23.00.11 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 23.03.17 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7750 23.04.06 # eigma: changed to patch, anything more? 23.04.56 Part Domonoky 23.04.58 # Category->Simulator 23.05.35 # done... maybe also commit? ;) 23.05.40 # please? :) 23.06.45 Join Dwyloc [0] (i=53688643@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1acdf67481f1e1ed) 23.07.27 Join saratoga [0] (i=98039a9c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-53e3cc1f1b1db0c0) 23.10.34 # eigma: your tracker name is your real name I assume? 23.10.41 # yes 23.10.54 # I think I should have made my nickname eigma and my realname what it is right now.. oh well 23.11.13 # can I ask where you are from? 23.11.21 # originally, Romania 23.11.34 # What’s up with the new rockbox web site front page? It seems to have removed the lost useful information, the description of what’s changes committed to SVN do :( 23.13.02 # Plus I can no longer find a link to the full change log if I wish to search through last weeks changes. 23.13.32 # they are still there...just not linked to 23.13.52 # Dwyloc: click the "subversion" link 23.14.04 # This makes testing the couse of bug harder then reporting bugs. 23.14.06 # there you see the commit messages 23.15.03 # preglow: I have tried that it only shows the days changes 23.15.54 # yeah, the other urls aren't there anymore 23.16.30 # i guess they should be 23.16.58 # Would it not be more usefull to show the description of the change and who made the change on the front page than which files have changed? 23.17.47 # I think that it would. 23.18.00 # perhaps 23.18.02 # At lest from a users point of view, but I like the other info added to the front page. :) 23.18.06 # You could even leave the who part out (although that doesn't take a lot of space) 23.18.55 # aww, how cute, I'm in CREDITS now 23.18.56 # I quite like seeing the people doing the work credited on the front page though. 23.19.14 # Agreed. 23.20.34 # Any way I just thought I would offer some feedback on the changes. 23.20.37 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@unaffiliated/funky) 23.22.07 Quit seablue ("life, death, life, death") 23.22.53 # n1s: can you please review http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7751 ? 23.23.12 Quit thegeek (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.29.56 # eigma: I'll take a look at it tomorrow if no one beats me to it, too late now :-) 23.30.09 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@38.98.196.75) 23.30.16 # all right 23.31.45 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@71-10-136-117.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) 23.32.37 # <[aB]DaRkNeSS> anyone here use craigslist 23.32.59 # in general? 23.33.08 # * Febs does, but can't imagine what this question has to do with Rockbox. 23.33.21 # <[aB]DaRkNeSS> well i want to see my ipod that i put rockbox on 23.33.23 # <[aB]DaRkNeSS> on craigslist 23.33.27 # <[aB]DaRkNeSS> to make money off a free project 23.33.42 # <[aB]DaRkNeSS> not 23.33.51 # <[aB]DaRkNeSS> no im trying to sell something but whenever i do a search it doesnt come up 23.34.00 # <[aB]DaRkNeSS> or if i go to sporting goods 23.34.03 # <[aB]DaRkNeSS> it isnt in the list either 23.34.05 # this isnt #craigslist...this is #rockbox 23.34.10 # we have gone through this before 23.34.14 # <[aB]DaRkNeSS> here we go again scorche 23.34.15 # I don't even understand the question 23.34.25 # <[aB]DaRkNeSS> how do i add tags to a cl item 23.34.34 # <[aB]DaRkNeSS> do you not know what mirc is for scorche 23.34.35 # [aB]DaRkNeSS: here we go again because you refuse to follow the guidelines 23.34.38 # <[aB]DaRkNeSS> its for talking 23.34.51 # do you not know what guidelines are for? 23.34.51 # <[aB]DaRkNeSS> ffs so you cant talk about anything other than rockbox in here? 23.34.58 # lol 23.35.04 # <[aB]DaRkNeSS> what a fucking joke. 23.35.13 # <[aB]DaRkNeSS> no wonder no one knows about rockbox 23.35.13 # [aB]DaRkNeSS: there are tens of thousands of other channels 23.35.18 # <[aB]DaRkNeSS> the people who make it are cuntbags like you scorche 23.35.20 # <[aB]DaRkNeSS> you piece of shit 23.35.23 # <[aB]DaRkNeSS> fucking little nerd bastard 23.35.24 # <[aB]DaRkNeSS> fuck off 23.35.31 # Do you feel better now? 23.35.33 # * sigh 23.35.33 # <[aB]DaRkNeSS> GG dumb fuck. 23.35.35 Part [aB]DaRkNeSS 23.35.40 Mode "#rockbox +o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 23.35.46 # drama! 23.36.01 Mode "#rockbox +b *!*@71-221-178-4.bois.qwest.net " by scorche (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 23.36.09 Mode "#rockbox -o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 23.36.09 # I wonder what "[aB]" stands for 23.37.29 Join MBaller20 [0] (i=4a469c81@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0c663ddb4c1f1cd5) 23.37.49 # any updates on the auto-installer 23.38.03 # what auto-installer? 23.38.23 # sorry, for rockbox on e200r 23.38.37 # there is Rockbox Utility but it requires you to do some steps 23.38.48 # and that's a completely different thing 23.38.52 # do you need linux? 23.39.01 # currently, yes 23.39.26 # I only i didn't have this very old computer 23.39.36 # *If 23.39.39 # hm, im suprised how few wps's there are for the e200 compared to other targets 23.40.14 # if i can make icons that don't suck, i'd make a WPS 23.40.17 # i wish i knew about e200r and e200 before i bought the e 200r 23.40.20 # hmm 23.40.28 # alienbiker99: it has a different aspec ratio which makes adapting wps'es from other targets harder and require more re-design 23.40.30 # so far, i've only made an inverted iCatcher which i rather like 23.40.37 # not sure this is part of rockbox, but on my ipod nano I get to see a battery icon only 23.40.47 # also it's one of the newes targets to be supported 23.40.47 # does this mean it's in charge only mode ? 23.41.22 # yeah, later on if i have time i might try to port one from another target, i dont know how it will go though, but it will be a learning experience 23.41.46 # the other thing is, it'd be nice if people provided their source images (especially if they're svg) 23.41.57 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 23.42.09 # * alienbiker99 is thinking about buying an 8gb sansa, switching the boards with my 2gb and returning it to the store =\ 23.42.11 # I rather like the portrait aspect for a dap, much easier to have much info in the wps IMO 23.42.40 # i read someone's post that said he already had the installer but wasn't sure if it should be released yet 23.42.40 # alienbiker99: that would be something like fraud, i'd guess :-/ 23.43.01 # must be one of the developers 23.43.55 Join atsea- [0] (i=atsea-@gateway/tor/x-9ef277cc63bb86e1) 23.45.03 Quit MBaller20 ("CGI:IRC") 23.45.14 Join MBaller20 [0] (i=4a469c81@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-eddd472c9c920df7) 23.45.48 # I can't wait until this release :) 23.46.34 # he wasnt a developer, and it isnt quite ready yet 23.46.56 # okay 23.47.11 # the developer who is working on that is JdGordon 23.47.40 # the person i read it from was chrisjs169 or something like that 23.48.00 # he was just testing something 23.48.12 # oh 23.48.25 # that JdGordon made...but as i said, it isnt quite ready and still would require linux at this point 23.48.37 # thought so 23.49.17 # eigma: is the increase of the size of the mem_conf[] array in system-pnx0101.c supposed to be included in the patch in FS#7751 ? 23.49.47 # n1s: I guess not ^_^ 23.50.07 # I was too lazy to create a new patch, tracker, description, etc, etc 23.50.16 # eigma: ok, it looks good, I'll commit it tomorrow :-) 23.50.23 # cool 23.50.38 # it's tested on all ARM archs on build.rockbox.org 23.50.44 # haven't tested the sims yet, working on that 23.50.46 # i guess it's almost impossible to get over this linux only option 23.50.47 # eigma: you know you can post updated patches as attachments in comments to a task in the tracker, right? 23.50.57 # n1s: yep 23.51.15 # well, goddnight 23.51.18 # seeya 23.51.19 Part n1s 23.51.24 # goodnight? 23.51.36 # what time is it there 23.51.38 # MBaller20: it isnt impossible, but it requires a bit of work to get it working with windows 23.51.50 # right 23.51.54 # people from all around the world are in here 23.52.19 # it's 5:53PM in Albany, U.S. right now 23.52.40 # i just got back from football 23.52.55 # try to keep the discussion on-topic please ;) 23.53.03 # haha, my bad 23.54.12 # now would i have to make the livecd or can i just run linux without it 23.54.57 # you have to actually burn the CD. make sure to burn from ISO / from disc image, rather than simply dragging the iso to a data project 23.55.34 # how would i do that 23.55.57 # i don;t see the differnce 23.56.42 # * ender` yawns