--- Log for 12.09.107 Server: clarke.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 7 days and 15 hours ago 00.03.01 Quit ender` (" Top reason why compilers are like women: Miss a period and they go crazy") 00.05.49 Quit Hadaka (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00.08.08 Quit Soap (Remote closed the connection) 00.08.14 Quit funky_ ("leaving") 00.10.58 Join Soap [0] (n=Soap@h69.100.29.71.ip.alltel.net) 00.16.51 Quit goffa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.17.12 # :] 00.18.44 # Ok, g'night everyone - gtg 00.19.15 Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 00.19.42 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 00.20.19 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 00.21.09 Quit JdGordon (Remote closed the connection) 00.21.18 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 00.22.30 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 00.24.12 Quit crwl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.25.11 Quit freqmod (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.25.30 Join AussiedeviL [0] (n=Administ@213.161.91.194) 00.27.30 # out of interest does anybody know if rockbox has been ported onto the creative zen vision yet? 00.27.40 # no 00.27.47 # port in progress, I believe; check the wiki 00.28.11 # new i should have gone with an ipod or archos:) 00.28.17 # I guess the "New ports" forums is better for the current status 00.28.36 # ok cheers 00.28.45 # and not really "in progress" 00.29.05 # some people pop up asking for a port, then it goes back to sleep again until the next person pops up 00.29.20 Part AussiedeviL 00.30.18 Join webguest56 [0] (i=4a469c81@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-148b6b59e61603c1) 00.31.05 # can i ask a quick off-topic question please, it's about ubuntu 00.31.22 # webguest56: NO. the #ubuntu is in #ubuntu 00.31.31 # * bluebrother points to the topic 00.31.49 # eigma: caps arent really needed... 00.31.57 # how do i get into the #ubuntu irc? 00.32.08 # you use an irc client! 00.32.08 # you cant using our webclient 00.32.21 # java.freenode.net 00.32.24 # try that one 00.32.34 # ok, thank you 00.36.07 # scorche: the same thing happened yesterday, that's all 00.37.15 # eigma: yes, but caps is generally not necessary and can turn the polite "move on" nudge into something more hostile 00.37.24 # fair enough. 00.38.22 Join mschneider [0] (i=42444ee1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9aaa9536c988cd36) 00.40.35 Join crwl [0] (n=crawlie@a88-114-143-95.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 00.40.52 Quit Wiwie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.42.41 Join Ave [0] (i=ave@a91-152-238-56.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 00.42.51 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 00.43.42 Join pandrew [0] (n=andrew@82.137.12.154) 00.44.24 Quit webguest56 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.49.28 Join naurus [0] (i=47271835@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a1eed8d61d4f041a) 00.49.45 # hello again everybody 00.49.56 # hello again 00.50.45 # i'd like to know how to get a good screen shot of a theme i made for the sansa e200 series 00.51.36 # i have the emulator, but it gives me a warning about the codec and it wont let me get a good screenie off 00.51.46 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ScreenDump 00.52.19 # sweet i'll check it out 00.53.05 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 00.53.11 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 00.53.43 # Hmm, now bluebrother is gone.... 00.54.09 # Detecting devices mainly via usb device id isn't such a good idea 00.54.28 # What if you install on an ipod via firewire? 00.54.55 # amiconn: I mentioned that earlier... 00.55.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.55.03 # Plus the 1st/2nd gen are firewire _only_ 00.55.15 # I also mentioned that ;) 00.55.58 # Hmm, didn't spot that 00.56.33 # But I don't think that should stop rbutil using usb detection - it's probably how most people connect their DAPs. 00.58.56 # Do you have any idea if there's an equivalent to USB IDs in the firewire world? 00.59.35 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 00.59.53 Quit linuxstb (Remote closed the connection) 01.00.55 Quit obo ("bye") 01.00.56 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 01.02.23 # * linuxstb answers his own question - "firmware_revision 0x0a2700, vendor_id 0x000a27, model_id 0x00007e" (ipod Color via firewire) 01.02.26 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-251-39.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 01.03.11 Quit naurus ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.04.24 # barrywardell: Do you want my libusb-ppc.a ? 01.04.29 # It seems like rbutil will have to learn many tricks to be able to reliably detect all our targets on windows/linux/macosx... 01.04.36 # linuxstb: yes please 01.04.54 # linuxstb: Where do you see that? 01.04.56 Join mcphail [0] (n=mcphail@unaffiliated/mcphail) 01.05.02 # I can give you my i386 version if you need it too? 01.05.14 # amiconn: In /var/log/messages 01.05.30 # Try "grep ieee1394 /var/log/messages" after attaching something 01.05.41 # eummm 01.05.54 # I can't - my only firewire equipped box is my windows laptop 01.06.03 # barrywardell: It won't hurt - at least we can then both compile. 01.06.20 # Can i thank the devs working on the iPod3g version. It has been months since I tried this, and it is now much better. 01.06.22 # barrywardell: I'll also give you my usb.h, in case there are differences... 01.06.39 # mcphail: I think you just have amiconn to thank for that. 01.07.43 # Well, thanks amiconn! Is there a 3g roadmap/todo list i can contribute to? 01.08.04 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 01.08.37 # mcphail: you can post feature request if you feel they are apropriate 01.08.56 Quit My_Sic (Connection timed out) 01.09.00 # * n1s should get some sleep now 01.09.03 Part n1s 01.09.43 # I have a question about the file browsing system: is there on function called to enter a directory that could easily be modified? 01.10.00 Quit miepchen^schlaf ("Verlassend") 01.11.48 # linuxstb: http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/libusb-i386.tar.gz 01.12.14 Join naurus [0] (i=47271835@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-cd4eb0dfb9d0a7df) 01.12.26 # and i'm back again! 01.13.25 # now i'd like to know if its possible for rockbox to say "music" instead of "database" in the menu 01.13.50 # barrywardell: Thanks. http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/usbppc.tgz 01.14.01 # thanks 01.14.52 # naurus: Only if you change the source code and compile Rockbox yourself. (or possibly, just the .lang file and create a new .lng) 01.15.09 # i'll check out the lang 01.15.44 # is there software to open the .lng file? 01.16.01 # linuxstb: there's a one line difference in usb.h 01.16.35 # Hmm, the endian thing... 01.16.42 # nvm, it works in notepad 01.16.53 # yup, USB_LE16_TO_CPU 01.16.56 # barrywardell: I think that's OK - our code isn't using that macro. 01.17.33 # ah, good 01.17.36 # Did you see my changes to the e200rpatcher makefile? 01.17.55 # * amiconn wonders what linux chooses to display as 'model id' for a firewire device 01.18.16 # amiconn: Have you found the info in Windows? 01.18.16 # Only the vendor id is mandatory for firewire devices iiuc 01.18.25 # yes, they look good. couldn't test them without the ppc libusb 01.19.43 # Still searching... 01.19.57 # barrywardell: It feels like a bit of a hack, but the whole Makefile is a bit like that - building many different targets without a configure script to help the process. 01.20.46 # the .lng file didn't work 01.20.50 # I wouldn't like to have to try and incorporate static linking of libusb into the Universal binary of rbutil... 01.21.06 # yeah, there's no easy way to do it 01.21.16 # is there a hex editor that will work with the .rock file? 01.21.39 # apple strongly discourages static linking of libraries 01.21.50 # naurus: a hex editor is just a hex editor... 01.22.13 # i meant a resource hacker 01.22.15 # sorry 01.22.34 # and i also meant for the mi4 file format 01.22.46 # what are you trying to accomplish? 01.23.16 # Changing common phrases in the menus 01.23.25 # just recompile.. 01.23.26 # like change "database" to "my music" 01.23.47 # naurus: I just told you, it's in the .lng file. 01.23.53 # so the only way is to set up a dev environment 01.24.04 # i tried the .lng, but it didn't work 01.24.07 # * linuxstb realises it's not and apologises 01.24.09 # Sorry... 01.24.18 # lol 01.24.25 # its all good 01.24.38 # setting up a dev environment is much easier than figuring out where to edit in a binary file...as well, it will last through revisions whereas a binary patch would not 01.24.41 # The default language is compiled into Rockbox, so my very first answer applies - you need to edit the .lang file and recompile. 01.25.39 # ohhhh, ok, but i have to do it all from source 01.25.55 # yes, which is much easier than binary pathcing.. 01.25.57 # linuxstb: i just built a universal binary, but it's not working. the e200rpatcher-i386 version does work though??? 01.26.03 # thats fine, i need to make some other changes anyway, so i'll set up a build envo 01.26.09 # barrywardell: Hmm, that's odd... 01.26.55 # In what way does it not work? 01.27.07 # found e200r, error writing data 01.27.14 # i'll try to debug further 01.27.26 # So same error that you had earlier? 01.27.38 # and now it worked 01.27.48 # yes, same as earlier 01.27.54 # maybe it's a bit flakey after all 01.28.48 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 01.29.02 # it seems to work the second time it's run 01.29.04 # You could compare e200rpatcher with the e200tool source, but I think that part is in effect identical - there's only one way to send data... 01.29.34 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 01.29.54 Part toffe82 01.30.12 # barrywardell: Ah, e200tool displays more info for the error - fprintf(stderr, "\nBulk write error (%d, %s)\n", ret, strerror(-ret)); 01.31.27 Quit naurus ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 01.31.56 Quit mcphail ("thanks") 01.32.01 Quit mschneider ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 01.32.32 # it seems to work and not work randomly 01.33.06 # Can you try displaying the return code (and error message) ? 01.34.17 # yeah, trying that now. but where is strerror? 01.34.19 # You could also try modifying TOUT (the timeout) and MAX_TRANSFER (the size in bytes of each transfer). 01.34.37 Quit Soap_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.34.53 Join Soap_ [0] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 01.34.58 # string.h according to the manpage 01.35.45 # yup, that's it. thanks 01.36.53 # BTW, if you can improve the instructions or other output in e200rpatcher, feel free. 01.37.30 # Bulk write error (-1, Operation not permitted) 01.37.45 # and then it worked the second time around 01.38.02 # That's strange - that the first write (of the length) succeeded, but the write in the while() loop didn't. 01.38.20 # I sometimes also get the length writing error now 01.38.26 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 01.39.02 # So you don't disconnect your Sansa between attempts? 01.39.17 # no 01.39.26 # Hmm, then maybe simply make it retry? 01.39.35 # i have three different experiences: 01.39.40 # 1) it works first time 01.39.48 Join naurus [0] (i=47271835@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-97536d8b8af2351e) 01.39.52 # can somebody point me to the page that explains dev environments, i can't find it [embarrased] 01.40.08 # 2) it writes the length but not the data the first time i run, but works the next time with the sansa still connected 01.40.10 # hit the index link on the sidebar 01.40.12 # Click on "index" under Documentation, then the "For Developers" section 01.40.14 # 3) it fails writing the length 01.40.39 # And with 2) the application runs correctly on your Sansa? 01.41.13 # yes 01.41.38 # 2 is the most common as well 01.41.44 # It could be worth trying to compile e200tool, and see if that works any differently. 01.42.07 # But I can't see anything it does differently... 01.42.23 # (apart from retrying the detection if it fails) 01.43.19 Quit eigma () 01.43.46 # But anyway, I need to sleep (early train to catch tomorrow). Goodnight 01.43.49 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.44.01 Quit linuxstb ("Leaving") 01.45.03 # can somebody point me to the page that explains dev environments, i can't find it [embarrased] 01.45.36 # we just did 01.45.41 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers 01.46.29 # hmmm. e200tool has the same problems 01.46.41 # is a link which covers all the topics: From getting a dev environment set up, to patching, to compiling, to working with SVN, to sacrificing kittens to Satan. 01.46.53 Join RudMan [0] (n=RudMan@ool-182fb504.dyn.optonline.net) 01.47.00 # and your first-born to me, of course 01.49.25 # and i get different symptoms on different usb ports. 1) and 2) on one port, 1) and 3) on the other 01.50.19 Quit naurus ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 01.51.03 # and TOUT and MAX_TRANSFER don't affect things 01.51.07 # someone with a C200 around? 01.51.16 # or the libusb version 02.02.05 # humm. 02.02.18 Quit billytwowilly (Remote closed the connection) 02.02.36 # Even if we find out how to read the firewire model_id on winodws, 1st/2nd gen and 3rd gen ipods can't be distinguished :( 02.03.04 # They both report the same model id (0x000000) 02.12.50 Join kkurbjun [0] (n=kkurbjun@c-67-166-49-171.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 02.15.05 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 02.23.06 # gah 02.23.20 # Routing loop again, no access to www.rockbox.org :( 02.23.28 Join barrywardell_ [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-251-39.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 02.23.48 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-70-137-198-139.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) 02.23.54 # ...hmm, fixed?!?!? 02.31.22 Join billytwowilly [0] (n=chris@CABLE-72-53-22-61.cia.com) 02.31.34 Quit barrywardell (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.33.31 Join Soap__ [0] (n=Soap@h69.100.29.71.ip.alltel.net) 02.33.32 Quit Soap (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.33.38 Nick Soap__ is now known as Soap (n=Soap@h69.100.29.71.ip.alltel.net) 02.33.49 Join zabow [0] (n=me@24-148-40-210.mct-bsr1.chi-mct.il.cable.rcn.com) 02.34.56 # hi, are questions potentially addressed here? 02.35.34 # Yes ... once they're actually asked. ;) 02.35.48 # heh .. that was crossing my mind 02.35.54 Join goffa_ [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 02.36.03 # I have a Sansa e250R ... 02.36.25 # * scorche hides 02.36.40 # I have read the instructions about three times, downloaded a version of Linux .. formatted my drive, and completed the instructions 02.36.48 # to a T 02.37.01 # 02.37.27 # * scorche refuses to come out unless a question is asked...and even then, it is dodgy 02.37.30 # it isn't dead, but .... well, nothing 02.37.41 # define nothing 02.38.02 # sorry, after rebooting ... try sansapatcher, but nothing 02.38.10 # it doesn't find my device 02.38.27 # do the instructions say to use sansapatcher? 02.38.53 # after the e200tool, it says to continue installation normally 02.39.18 # what instructions are you following? 02.39.25 # now I evidently can't find the instructions .. is the web page down? 02.39.36 # i can navigate teh site just fine 02.40.05 # I did this yesterday, and was going back for try number two .. 02.40.06 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200RInstallation are the instructions you should have followed 02.40.13 # GRRR .. boy do I feel dumb, 02.40.40 # going back to instructions .. these are the ones .. 02.40.42 Quit goffa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.41.05 # thanks 02.41.42 # make sure and read those carefully and follow those to a T as well ;) 02.42.04 # wait...you formatted your drive?!? 02.44.41 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.45.16 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@bas3-montreal28-1279372579.dsl.bell.ca) 02.45.20 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp13-44.adsl.forthnet.gr) 02.47.04 # zabow, what do you mean by you formatted your drive? 02.47.42 # I installed Mandriva 02.48.37 # nothing bad :) 02.48.55 # did you mean you formatted your sansa? 02.49.04 # but I can't get my Citrix Client to work either .. will get back to that after I get Rockbox working 02.49.31 # nope .. my laptop, so I could install Linux, so I could in turn try out the instructions on the e200R 02.50.08 # ah...good 02.50.34 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 02.50.55 # although the "nothing bad" about mandriva can be disputed... 02.51.16 # yeah, I kinda like Mandriva, but I think I will install a couple of others .. I used to be BSD guy 02.51.45 # but those were minimalist installs for servers .. I haven't gone the way of 6.2 yet 02.52.10 # * scorche points towards #rockbox-community 02.54.38 Quit barrywardell_ () 02.55.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.55.26 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ipa108.36.91.tellas.gr) 02.55.49 Quit kubiixaka (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.56.10 Join kubiixaka [0] (n=Miranda@ip-89-103-17-41.karneval.cz) 03.05.07 Part pixelma 03.05.58 Join floam [0] (n=flaom@71.237.241.190) 03.05.59 Quit prashantv ("Changing server") 03.06.15 Quit goffa_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.07.20 # some people here might find these full resolution shots of the ipod classic vivisection useful: 03.07.40 # http://floam.sh.nu/static/d/front.jpeg http://floam.sh.nu/static/d/back.jpeg 03.09.52 # i assume this is your device? 03.10.02 # you assume wrong 03.10.22 # ifixit posted low-resolution versions a few days ago 03.10.29 # I just rang them up and asked for the original images 03.10.50 # I do have a classic, though :P 03.10.51 # ah 03.11.02 # and it's slow as hell 03.11.45 # the marker is hard to see...one would like to have a bit of something overlayed that says what one can read off the chips 03.12.05 # well, the ARM chip on there is the exact same chip as is on the Nano 03.12.12 # and the photograph of that is perfectly legible 03.18.08 Quit Llorean (Remote closed the connection) 03.18.28 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@cpe-70-113-103-34.austin.res.rr.com) 03.19.11 Quit Llorean (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.19.27 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@cpe-70-113-103-34.austin.res.rr.com) 03.19.51 Quit Llorean (Remote closed the connection) 03.20.08 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@cpe-70-113-103-34.austin.res.rr.com) 03.20.18 Join piroko [0] (n=jeremy@13.sub-75-218-42.myvzw.com) 03.20.34 Join ashridah [0] (n=ashridah@chitin.mycronite.net) 03.20.41 # Hello everybody 03.22.32 Quit Llorean (Remote closed the connection) 03.22.48 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@cpe-70-113-103-34.austin.res.rr.com) 03.23.06 Quit Llorean (Remote closed the connection) 03.27.52 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@cpe-70-113-103-34.austin.res.rr.com) 03.32.33 Join sbrubes [0] (n=sbrubes@201-88-63-234.bsaco700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) 03.34.35 Join Shane_e250r [0] (i=481b5c76@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-67587aff03acb41c) 03.38.00 Part sbrubes 03.38.03 Join sbrubes [0] (n=sbrubes@201-88-63-234.bsaco700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) 03.38.23 Part sbrubes 03.39.56 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 03.40.23 # Has anyone got rockbox on there sansa e200r by using some form of windows installer or bootlooder patcher for windows??? 03.40.56 Quit floam (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.40.56 Quit Shane_e250r ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03.41.29 Join floam [0] (n=flaom@71.237.241.190) 03.41.38 Join Shane_e250r [0] (i=481b5c76@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-305f18b44e45623f) 03.42.36 Quit Shane_e250r (Client Quit) 03.42.53 # shane? 03.43.02 # oh well 03.45.09 # oh well .. .tired of goofing around .. time to get some nap time .. 03.45.16 # thanks again scorche 03.45.20 Quit zabow ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12") 03.46.12 Join sbrubes [0] (n=sbrubes@201-88-63-234.bsaco700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) 03.49.16 Join marckie [0] (n=marc@202.73.170.34) 03.49.31 # hi. how do i know if my nano is 1st or 2nd gen? its 4Gb. 03.50.00 # does it have a silver back and a white or black top 03.50.06 # yes 03.50.15 # silverback, black top 03.50.20 # than its a 1st gen 03.50.48 # cool. how does a 2nd gen look like? 03.52.16 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@bas3-montreal28-1279372579.dsl.bell.ca) 03.52.58 # rockbox is not linux, is it? 03.53.19 # nope 04.04.59 Quit kkurbjun (Nick collision from services.) 04.05.19 Join kkurbjun [0] (n=kkurbjun@c-67-166-49-171.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 04.07.32 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.08.56 Join tchan [0] (n=tchan@lunar-linux/developer/tchan) 04.09.48 Quit piroko ("leaving") 04.36.53 Join webguest44 [0] (i=18eddffa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a4feb5d3ca2fb2dd) 04.37.18 # By the help of a little comrade, my sansa e200r now dualboots. Isnt that cool? 04.38.03 # Now, about the rockboxed missles and toasters....and installing rockbox to my face... 04.39.28 # Hey, big bambi! 04.40.22 Join DavidGWRawson [0] (i=18eddffa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5b51021b73a2b26b) 04.40.22 Quit webguest44 (Client Quit) 04.40.30 # webguest, your spamming 04.40.38 Join elinenbe [0] (n=elinenbe@cpe-68-174-107-47.nyc.res.rr.com) 04.41.15 Join JimmyBob [0] (i=18eddffa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d5465c483eabfab3) 04.41.25 # Hey kids, im jimmy bob 04.41.34 # I don't care. 04.41.46 # Hello david. 04.41.52 # Hello jimmy. 04.42.06 # What's 04.42.08 # UP!! 04.42.17 # Hows 04.42.19 # it 04.42.24 # hangin 04.42.34 # Ok, shut up! 04.42.43 # Get out!! 04.42.51 # Make me! 04.42.59 # Im leaving 04.43.05 # Mee too! 04.43.09 Quit DavidGWRawson (Client Quit) 04.43.19 Quit JimmyBob (Client Quit) 04.52.28 # good thing we have that web client, huh? 04.52.45 # yeah, it's always nice to see people talking to themselves 04.53.06 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 04.53.12 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 04.55.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.01.00 Join webguest42 [0] (i=4a8b52dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a9077feddfb39e84) 05.01.01 Quit webguest42 (Client Quit) 05.01.11 Join Blade [0] (i=4a8b52dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b96df4b8d991ba67) 05.01.59 # Hi 05.02.19 # hello 05.02.31 # anyone now where the "major changes" link moved to on the homepage? 05.02.44 Quit goffa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.03.09 # none that I know of, sory. 05.03.37 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 05.05.03 Quit Blade (Client Quit) 05.05.22 Join FoxX [0] (i=4a8b52dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-953e33ff57e807af) 05.06.56 Quit FoxX (Client Quit) 05.09.09 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@c-71-205-0-132.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 05.09.26 Quit SirFunk (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.10.37 Part Llorean 05.11.38 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@cpe-70-113-103-34.austin.res.rr.com) 05.11.45 Quit Llorean (Remote closed the connection) 05.12.23 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 05.16.16 Join bb__ [0] (n=bb@dslb-088-074-145-003.pools.arcor-ip.net) 05.17.43 Join HeyLittleBoy [0] (i=18eddffa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7c0c5e5a921f38f2) 05.17.48 # Hello 05.17.59 # Nice Chatroom. 05.18.07 # iamben, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges 05.18.13 # Hi 05.18.37 # hi. 05.18.38 # iambic Pentamiter 05.18.58 # HeyLittleBoy, this is an on-topic support channel. please read the channel guidelines linked in the topic 05.19.16 # Ok 05.19.38 Join DavidGWRawson [0] (i=18eddffa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7cb2192268cdef24) 05.19.50 # Hello 05.20.16 # Hey there, Davey. 05.20.16 Part sbrubes 05.20.26 Part ashridah ("http://www.mycronite.net/") 05.20.40 # What was that? 05.21.52 Quit HeyLittleBoy (Client Quit) 05.22.20 # Alright, my sansa e200"R" is now dualbooting, thanks to a comrade's help on this link: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12502.30 05.22.27 # you should commend him 05.23.28 # Why does rockbox use so much battery power? 05.23.46 Quit RudMan (Remote closed the connection) 05.24.54 # various reasons, including hardware not being initialized quite right, or certain things that we don't know how to turn off. 05.25.06 # and it's only a problem in portalplayers 05.26.02 Join eigma [0] (n=cat@CABLE-206-188-76-21.cia.com) 05.26.06 # #rockbox-community 05.26.16 # oops 05.26.23 # don't forget the /join ;) 05.26.33 # yeah, heh 05.27.57 Quit bb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.28.24 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@206-159-155-246.netsync.net) 05.29.06 Join datasleep [0] (n=datachil@217-208-144-87-no75.tbcn.telia.com) 05.29.29 Quit datachild (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.35.20 Quit eigma () 05.35.24 Quit rotator () 05.39.10 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.44.39 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@bas3-montreal28-1279372579.dsl.bell.ca) 05.46.32 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp13-44.adsl.forthnet.gr) 05.50.39 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 05.56.32 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.06.28 Quit EnterUse1Name (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.06.39 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 06.06.41 Join perrikwp [0] (i=98216684@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6bc08f3bf1917f69) 06.20.25 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@rockbox/administrator/Llorean) 06.32.00 # DavidGWRawson: i dont want to see that again 06.32.43 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@bas3-montreal28-1279372579.dsl.bell.ca) 06.36.15 Join sp3ilmitkurt [0] (n=erobbins@adsl-67-127-229-134.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) 06.36.19 # Hi 06.38.14 # Anyone there? 06.38.30 # i see 133 people 06.38.49 # join #rockbox-community 06.38.57 # i am there... 06.39.16 # I was trying to join 06.39.44 # Hey do you know is it's possible to run rock box on zune? 06.40.06 # the front page lists all devices that rockbox works on 06.40.40 # Yeah someone was telling me that the zune is actually known as the gigabeat tho 06.41.14 # there are many different gigabeats 06.42.11 # thats why im here for help 06.42.48 # the zune is similar to the gigabeat S which rockbox does not support at this time...and it isnt the same even then 06.43.41 # Bummer 06.43.46 Quit perrikwp ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 06.43.56 # Then this piece of crap is being sold for a new 160 gig ipod 06.44.11 # which also doesnt run rockbox 06.44.34 # True 06.44.41 # But it has coverflow :) 06.45.49 Quit pandrew (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.50.20 Join ptw419 [0] (i=ptw419@66-90-157-228.dyn.grandenetworks.net) 06.51.02 Join perrikwp [0] (i=98216684@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9ca0d371df0dc78b) 06.53.25 # Thanks to the people in the forums to help me, rockbox is installed 100% on my 'R' series, dualboot and everything. 06.53.39 # R series what? 06.53.48 # sansa rhapsody 06.53.52 # oh 06.54.14 Join GeorgeBush [0] (i=18eddffa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-266bbff1f6a89010) 06.54.29 # Hey everyone! 06.54.32 # what a whitty nick :p 06.54.37 # you clever person! 06.54.44 # DavidGWRawson: You've been warned about doing such things. 06.54.48 # This is an on-topic channel. 06.54.54 # What things? 06.55.04 # DavidGWRawson: do not play coy...we know that is you 06.55.11 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.55.26 # Opening a second web client window doesn't hide the fact that it's coming from the same computer. 06.55.35 # You got me :( 06.55.39 Quit GeorgeBush (Client Quit) 06.55.53 # You need to behave, this is an on-topic channel. Rules are enforced here just like the forums 06.56.19 # So is there any possible progress on zune ? 06.56.36 # Wouldn't zune be a little hard? 06.56.42 # sp3ilmitkurt: no one is working on it 06.56.53 # Why is that? :( 06.56.55 # Especially with song transfer capabilities 06.57.08 # Sending songs to other people. 06.57.22 # It takes me hours to put a damn song on my zune. 06.57.28 # The program freezes 06.57.32 # well, regardless, that is offtopic 06.58.08 # Would you have to completly rewrite rockbox to work with sansa connect's wifi capability? 06.58.10 # How so 06.58.28 # sp3ilmitkurt: It's off topic any problems the original firmware has. 06.58.31 # I would just want rockbox to be able to use anything but the zune software 06.58.40 # sp3ilmitkurt: The reason nobody's working on it is because the people who own them (like you) all expect someone else to do it. 06.58.50 # HAHAHA 06.58.54 # Donate your zune to them. 06.59.00 # that wasnt a joke... 06.59.01 # If I knew how I would. 06.59.09 # Mail it. 06.59.33 # P.P 06.59.38 # When I get my 160 gig 06.59.40 # I'm donating it 06.59.48 # sp3ilmitkurt: Well, it takes a very large amount of work, and time, and someone who really really wants it to work 06.59.59 # Which is why it depends on people who actually wanted to buy that player 07.00.16 # But then i'll be annoyed about not having rock box on my 160 gig 07.00.24 # There have been people that looked into the Zune and ran into problems with the digital signature checks 07.00.26 # sp3ilmitkurt, you make it work for zune then, the source files are available 07.00.37 # I'm a newb coder. 07.00.40 # I'm 15 07.00.45 # im 15 07.00.48 # +1 07.00.49 # it would be like hacking the sansa R without e200 tool 07.00.51 # Doubt I'd be able to do it 07.01.06 # that would be hard without e200tool 07.01.33 # What would be capable with zune and rock box/ 07.01.46 # Wait, you can take your zune, put rocks in it, and call it rockbox. Good enough for you? 07.01.51 # * Llorean sighs 07.01.53 # Guys, ON TOPIC 07.02.07 # How is talking about Rockbox off topic? 07.02.16 # Talking about a box full of Rocks is. 07.02.22 # I wasn't 07.02.34 # Sorry. 07.02.40 # As for what Rockbox on Zune could do, it's the same as Rockbox anywhere else 07.03.00 # You don't think because of the wifi anything new would be avalible 07.03.16 Join DomasoFan [0] (n=Miranda@194.208.228.200) 07.03.26 # Rockbox wouldn't magically gain wifi capabilities by simply being on wifi hardware 07.03.31 # If someone added it in the future, then sure. 07.03.38 # OOOH! Make a wifi web browser for zune, if you ever make it work for zune! 07.04.12 # as far as im concerned I feel jipped with my zune and miss my creative zen vision :m 07.04.13 # Professor Zunia.... 07.04.46 # Ask microsoft for the tools to make firmware. Try it, 07.04.56 # DavidGWRawson: i have given you enough warnings 07.05.04 # ok, i'll leave 07.05.32 # you dont have to leave...just follow our guidelines..it isnt that hard 07.05.33 Quit DavidGWRawson ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 07.05.50 # he shoulda donated his zune to me ;) 07.06.03 # "he" is still here 07.06.06 # he didn't have a zune 07.06.08 # I did 07.06.25 # ah wrong person 07.06.28 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 07.06.31 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp96-221.adsl.forthnet.gr) 07.06.36 # I'm sure someone will find a way past the signature check eventually. 07.06.42 # Until then, there's not much sense worrying about it 07.06.44 # eventually 07.06.59 # Good morning. Can someone tell me how good the recording quality is when files are recorded on a sansa e 200 series player? 07.07.00 # by the time zune 2 comes around 07.07.05 # yeah.. zunepet seems to be playing around with the font hacks 07.07.36 # ah really? someone from zune scene dropped by the other day and said something about font hacks 07.07.37 # or at least making suggestions on how to break it 07.07.41 # DomasoFan: Pretty bad, it's limited to a max of 22.1khz 07.07.59 # kkurbjun: got any links w/ that info on it? 07.08.25 # Wooooooo font hackz1! 07.08.27 # knowing the zune scene they'd probably try to keep any real work secret though 07.08.33 # http://www.zuneboards.com/forums/search.php?searchid=69109 look at his posts on zune supporting unicode 07.08.34 # if any 07.08.57 # sp3ilmitkurt: anythings possible 07.09.08 # kkurbjun: thanks 07.09.25 # generally he's vague, and it's not apparent if he's actually working on crashing the font engine 07.10.55 Quit Ebert () 07.10.55 # oh, never mind 07.11.06 # it would be real interesting to see how they crack it, if they do 07.11.08 # he found out how to revert to different firmware versions 07.11.31 # "NOTE: it is a very limited hack. It will let you install the 4 TTC Asian font collections. It will let you revert to older versions of the official firmware. It will let you explore other exploits." 07.11.40 # "It won't let you run homebrew (at least not yet; hopefully someone will find an exploit to make it possible)" 07.12.18 # For some reason the term "Homebrew" always seems to mean "I want to put emulators on it" to me. 07.12.29 # haha 07.13.08 # hehe 07.13.16 # I guess he's still not past the digital signatures yet, the other firmwares are likely still signed 07.13.55 # So are those fonts part of a signed package that he just convinces it to install when it didn't want to? 07.13.57 Quit perrikwp ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 07.14.18 # technically, it sounds like they have found a "limited" way of bypassing the sig's though if they can alter the font and revert firmwares 07.14.41 # Llorean: i believe the fonts are in the signed nk.bin 07.15.15 # but i may be wrong.... 07.16.30 # signed in .ink 07.17.10 # it seems in the firmware partition on the S, there is a directory containing fonts. but i could have sworn in the nk.bin from the S it also contained fonts... 07.19.17 Part DomasoFan 07.25.39 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 07.28.14 Quit hanklords (Remote closed the connection) 07.34.01 Part toffe82 07.36.49 Nick datasleep is now known as datachild (n=datachil@217-208-144-87-no75.tbcn.telia.com) 07.38.41 Quit sofianbabai () 07.45.39 # ahha, another nano 0xc0005 user having "warm up" glitch problems 07.48.35 Join hoobop [0] (n=user@unaffiliated/hoobop) 07.54.17 Join chris__ [0] (n=chris@CABLE-72-53-22-61.cia.com) 07.55.01 # Ave: And? 07.55.13 # another one :P 07.55.23 # so I'm not imagining the whatever it is 07.55.31 # Nobody every said you were... 07.55.42 # I for one felt like it based on other writings 07.55.46 # In fact we've openly admitted there's a nano problem and have been trying to talk people into properly researched it. 07.55.58 # what is there to be done? 07.56.02 # that'd help 07.56.03 # Figure out what causes the problem. 07.56.09 # ah that easy 07.56.16 # Oh really? 07.56.27 # I mean like something simple like elimination techniques 07.56.36 # cant just pull the answer out of my hat 07.57.04 # Yeah, you people who are having the problem need to start working on eliminating things 07.57.13 # Those of us who have working Nano's can't experiment 07.57.57 # We've showed that it's not just heat (by heating ours up quite a lot and showing they still work), we've showed that it's not the retail firmware version, we've showed that it's not one of the known hardware variances because one person who's experiencing it has the same hardware revisions as me. 07.58.06 # I'm open to experimentation but dont know where to begin, its not like its beneficial to just start poking random values in the pp clock setup code and see what happnes 07.58.31 # It's not the clock setup that's the problem, though. 07.58.46 # yeah, proper 07.59.02 # So why would you poke at those values? 07.59.16 # because I dont know what else to do 07.59.32 # not clock setup, not firmware, not hw rev, not heat 07.59.53 # Did you miss the point where we said "We think it's likely to do with ATA timing?" 07.59.56 Quit kkurbjun ("Leaving.") 08.00.14 # no that was in the very beginning why the info was being requested on the tracker 08.00.30 # Yes, and did you at any point see us say "No, it's not that"? 08.00.36 # That still needs to be investigate quite a bit. 08.01.01 Quit billytwowilly (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 08.01.05 # ok 08.01.35 # Unfortunately it requires investigation on a non-working Nano, since you can't test code quickly without one at hand 08.02.15 # But either way, nobody has claimed that this problem doesn't exist. 08.02.23 # If we thought it didn't exist, we'd close the task. 08.03.15 # yes indeed 08.03.51 # But it seems that, on the average, people experiencing the bug would just rather roll back to the old revision. 08.04.19 # well, I'm using my player almost daily for listening purposes and I'm using r14003 or so.. 08.04.27 # but its no problem to upgrade 08.04.42 # What I mean is that nobody experiencing the problem is really trying to investigate. 08.05.07 # I 08.05.24 # 'll try to make an effort, but my knowledge of rb internals is shaky so I need some assitance 08.06.25 # What may be needed is for someone to investigate what the Apple firmware does, compare what we do, and experiment. 08.06.44 # It's probably going to require someone to either spend some time learning quite a bit, or someone who's already quite advanced and has one of these players. 08.07.18 # the chance of latter happening seems quite slim 08.07.41 # unless someone sends you guys a borked player 08.08.16 # You have to find someone who's knowledgeable enough and willing to work on it. For example, I'm not versed enough in the low level code to be able to do so much quirker than someone starting from scratch. 08.08.29 # But yes, sending a player to an interested dev would be a very good solution 08.12.14 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B15308.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.12.26 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.21.02 # Even a working nano could help in solving the problem, but of course a glitching one would be more helpful 08.21.21 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 08.22.33 # There is a *known* ata problem affecting all nanos which is just worked around in the rockbox code atm. 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" 09.00.07 # yeah, but that would require that proxy/org to own the copyright 09.00.28 # The fsf site mentions that as a separate option to assigning copyright. 09.00.44 # oh 09.00.55 # You preserve copyright, they can relicense *that use* of the code, it sounds like. 09.01.44 # Though they don't actually describe it, it's just mentioned at the end of a page on something else entirely 09.04.05 # sounds like some legalese that is beyond my little brain 09.04.15 # Yeah. 09.04.35 # I guess it'd be like voting proxies with stocks and such. 09.04.38 # all legalese is beyond mine ;) 09.04.49 # * GodEater 's brain is very very tiny 09.05.00 # You still own the shares, but someone else gets to decide what you want done with 'em. 09.05.22 # that makes sense with shares 09.05.28 # I'm not so sure on source code 09.06.05 # although when you say "what you want done with them", do you mean "vote for you at AGM events" or "trade with on your behalf" ? 09.06.24 # True, 'tis the voting. 09.07.24 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.08.06 Join einhirn [0] (n=Miranda@bb-fw-verw1-c65rz1.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 09.08.25 Join mikae1 [0] (i=c2477b02@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-8627271987ea912e) 09.08.31 # I'm sure there's some way you could do something like giving Rockbox the right to relicense your code under any license so long as it's certified as an "Open Source" license by whoever it was who does that thing 09.09.19 # has anybody checked out the torn apart nano and classic http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/09/10/a_peek_inside_apples_new_nano_and_classic_ipods_photos.html ? 09.09.24 # yes it can most surely be done controlled by contracts 09.09.32 # is there a chance you will ever get rockbox on these? 09.09.45 # mikae1: There is if people who own them put forward a concentrated effort to do it... 09.09.49 # mikae1: we've seen numerous rip-aparts by now 09.10.02 # the encryption of the firmware is the hard part 09.10.20 # although to be fair, we don't *KNOW* it's encrypted yet 09.10.21 # or rather, the hardest, there may be other hard parts too ,-) 09.10.23 # we're just assuming ;) 09.10.26 # true 09.10.27 # Either way, if we're under GPLv2 only, almost none of this matters unless a solution for re-licensing happens in the first place 09.10.43 # yes 09.11.19 # I think the question if we are "v2 or later" or plain v2 drowned in the v3 thread of the list 09.11.24 # Yeah 09.11.45 # someone bring it up again :) 09.12.29 # yes, soon 09.14.27 # after all, http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2007/09/12/i-am-rude-and-mean/ ;-) 09.16.26 # My, you are a horrible person, aren't you. 09.16.30 # You've kept it well hidden. 09.16.37 # B4gder: :) 09.16.39 # my dark secrets are out! 09.17.23 # Zend ? That's a threat ? 09.17.28 # haha, yeah 09.17.56 # bet you lay awake at night trembling with fear 09.18.00 # "definitely going to discuss your behavior in the next zend php conference" 09.18.14 # golden 09.18.23 # what work do you do there ? 09.18.43 # I'm a libcurl guy, used by the PHP/CURL extension in PHP 09.18.51 # I have nothing to do with zend or php 09.19.21 # so his discussion would run "we should stop using libcurl cos Bagder was mean to me" 09.19.27 # I... uh... somehow my tag info in the now playing window is exactly one file shifted from what's actually playing 09.19.32 # B4gder: you are a jerk 09.19.40 # GodEater: possibly, it's a _bit_ unclear to me ;-) 09.19.41 # followed closely by "STFU you stupid whiner" I imagine 09.19.52 # B4gder: a real biter 09.19.58 # I would be thrilled if they truly discussed me 09.20.07 # send us a recording :) 09.20.08 # would be so totally off topic ;-) 09.20.10 # anyone know if this is a known issue? I'd like to possibly report it, but I'm kinda worried I'll have someone just say I must be a nutter and tell me to fix my tags 09.20.52 # hachi: Sometimes it's possible to confuse the playback engine. I'd honestly wait on that, and see if metadata on buffer resolves this when it goes in. 09.20.54 # you're a nutter, fix your tags :) 09.21.13 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 09.22.03 # http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/index.php/id;211669437 <-- hahahaha given the mailing list discussion :) 09.22.19 # heehhe 09.22.25 # it's getting worse 09.22.34 # there was also this "gplv3 drives people to freebsd" post yday 09.22.35 # now it's seeking to partial songs when I switch tracks 09.22.57 # Linus Torvalds is the devil 09.23.12 # all linuses are! 09.23.23 # linus in peanuts? 09.23.33 # * B4gder holds up his garlic 09.23.40 # oh wait, is that not against the devil? 09.24.15 # it seems to be all about the money with you! 09.25.17 # yeah 09.25.29 # stupid me, offering commercial support 09.25.54 # yup...you should have never released curl..that would make them happy 09.26.04 # would be much better 09.26.25 # I'm mostly amazed by such posts 09.28.21 # "I do not care to know your biography and list of efforts" ;-) 09.28.35 # * B4gder stops the off-topics and goes for a refill 09.29.15 # * LinusN shines his pitchfork and brushes his tail 09.32.20 # * scorche WONDERS WHY MORE PEOPLE DONT JOIN #ROCKBOX-COMMUNITY 09.32.23 # whoops.. 09.32.25 # Hahaha 09.33.49 # * Llorean isn't quite sure what the most recent feature request is actually asking for. 09.34.36 # * B4gder shrugs and takes a step backwards 09.34.45 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 09.35.10 # Google gave me a sourceforge project, and that just threw more words at me I didn't really know how to fit together. 09.35.55 # Llorean: how about a comment on the task? "WTF is a convolver" ? 09.36.14 # indeed 09.36.36 # I like this explanation: 09.36.37 # GodEater: It sounds like a made up name for "anything that can be used to add finite impulse response filters" 09.36.40 # "The Real-Time Convolver is a hardware / software add-on to the Hypersignal-Acoustic software package which implements very long FIR filters (VLFFs) in real-time." 09.37.03 # it is marketing speach for: yada yada yada 09.37.18 # But then it describes "finite impulse response" as "sound files" 09.37.25 # but I guess that underneath there is actually true tech 09.38.20 # doing what??? 09.38.26 # I have no idea 09.38.33 # convolving? ;-) 09.39.07 # It sounds like it's just a type of DSP filter that involves two audio files, the source one, and the one that describes the filtering. 09.39.43 # Well "just" in the sense that "they've made up a word, rather than describing at all what's going on" 09.40.14 # well, convolution is a pretty defined term in the dsp world 09.40.36 # ah that's the term then 09.40.45 # wikipedia has that 09.41.18 # so what's a "convolver with at least 128 points" then ? :) 09.42.11 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.46.01 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.46.01 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 09.47.55 # are we any nearer rescuing forums.rockbox.org ? 09.49.26 # there's talk going on at least 09.49.52 # that's good news 09.58.33 Quit mikae1 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 09.58.52 # hehe, ohloh cut out yday's kudo ranks 09.59.21 # the change the list now is from 10 => 12 sep 10.11.20 Join webguest11 [0] (i=cbd61f59@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0c1d91d1e711fe99) 10.13.58 Quit webguest11 (Client Quit) 10.14.19 Join webguest12 [0] (i=cbd61f59@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7b766893e3f74d09) 10.14.44 Quit webguest12 (Client Quit) 10.19.40 Join GodEater__ [0] (n=bryan@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 10.19.57 Quit GodEater (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.20.57 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.21.30 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B15308.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.21.50 Join obo [0] (n=obo@rockbox/developer/obo) 10.24.07 # anyone know why that "quick question on doom" thread got deleted ? It didn't look particularly offensive or stupid to me ? 10.24.24 Nick GodEater__ is now known as GodEater (n=bryan@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 10.27.19 Join CaptainSquid [0] (n=Miranda@proxy14.netz.sbs.de) 10.30.46 Quit atsea- (Remote closed the connection) 10.37.40 Join atsea- [0] (i=atsea-@gateway/tor/x-1997cc308ee94b48) 10.55.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.58.15 Quit kclaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.02.25 Join Peter15 [0] (n=peter151@dslb-084-058-152-124.pools.arcor-ip.net) 11.03.18 # hi all 11.03.18 Join safetydan [0] (n=dan@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 11.03.36 # spricht hier einer deutsch 11.03.45 # nope, this is an english channel 11.03.55 # oh 11.04.26 # my english is to bad 11.04.32 # I'm sure it says that in the IrcGuideLines 11.04.33 # you'll manage :) 11.05.06 # Peter15: we had a korean guy who used a machine translation program to talk to us, and even that worked :) 11.05.46 # the cowon firmware for x5 is = x5l 11.05.55 # yes 11.06.04 # ok thx 11.07.06 # so even when you don't know english, you still use words like "thx" ? 11.07.19 # ty 11.07.29 # and ty 11.07.35 # :) 11.07.41 # how about "thanks" or "thank you" =) 11.07.48 # beide 11.07.52 # :) 11.10.44 Join bluebrother [0] (i=5hvlDGlA@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 11.12.45 Join ddalton [0] (n=daniel@203-214-50-20.dyn.iinet.net.au) 11.15.22 # I must make which files into the file firmware 11.17.47 # well that wasn't very nice 11.18.08 # my ipod was building a new playlist, suddenly flashed white on the screen... and is off now 11.18.22 # and I have it plugged in right now 11.18.34 # Peter15: which instructions are you following? 11.20.21 # no mine english is unfortunately too bad 11.20.42 # hachi: it doesn't turn on ? 11.21.35 # I try to translate German into English with babel 11.21.58 # dionoea: now I can't get the bloody thing to turn off 11.22.08 # every time I tell it to shut down, 10 seconds later it wakes up 11.22.24 # while being plugged ? 11.22.38 # I've tried to leave it in ipl (instead of shutting down) and it reboots every few minutes now too 11.22.46 # jeeze, this hardware is weirdly made 11.22.48 # yeah 11.22.54 # power plugged, not data 11.25.25 # Most DAPs can't be shut down physically while being connected to the charger 11.25.57 # well, it keeps dying because it needs to charge the battery 11.26.10 # so we've got a catch22 situation in hardware here, thanks apple 11.27.56 # oh wait no, we've got a disconnect in terminology 11.27.58 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007073113]") 11.28.04 # I mean to say sleep, not off 11.28.23 Quit kubiixaka (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.28.45 Join FergoFrog [0] (n=fergofro@CPE-124-176-63-223.nsw.bigpond.net.au) 11.28.52 Quit floam () 11.29.23 # Hi, does anyone know how to use UiSimulator's debugwps feature? 11.29.45 # just use the --debugwps command line option 11.30.00 # Yer but where's the dump? 11.30.07 # I really appreciate the rockbox ability to walk backwards even when shuffling 11.30.08 # the dump is on stdout 11.30.18 # stdout? 11.30.25 # standard output 11.30.28 # on the console. 11.33.34 # Hmm this info is probably on the wiki but I'll drop it here anyway: Is there some sort of emulation code for the rockbox plugin system? 11.33.51 # gammy: see the UiSimulator wiki page 11.34.37 # ahh thank you bluebrother. 11.34.50 # I need to reserve some time to play with rockbox more. 11.35.01 # Doesn't work 11.35.20 # maybe tell some more details? It works fine for me 11.35.53 # ******@ ~/ipod-video-sim-w32 11.35.53 # $ ls 11.35.53 # SDL.dll archos checkwps.bat rockboxui.exe 11.35.53 DBUG Enqueued KICK FergoFrog 11.35.53 # UI256.bmp background.bat help.bat zoom.bat 11.35.53 # ******@********* ~/ipod-video-sim-w32 11.35.53 *** Alert Mode level 1 11.35.53 # $ ./rockboxui.exe --debugwps 11.35.53 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF668C.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.35.55 # ******@********* ~/ipod-video-sim-w32 11.36.11 # It doesn't output anything? 11.36.16 # err ... first, please use a pastebin for multi-line pastes 11.36.22 # second, you're on linux? 11.36.26 Quit My_Sic (SendQ exceeded) 11.36.35 # No, cygwin 11.36.44 Quit GodEater (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.36.46 # Works better. 11.37.00 # How do you guys get time for hacking on rockbox? 11.37.05 # and the binary is from rashers page? 11.38.27 # http://pastebin.com/m20530cb5 11.38.35 # If you want multi line 11.41.04 # gammy: by failing exams 11.41.14 # markun: Ah still studying then? 11.41.33 # bluebrother: can you help? 11.41.55 # maybe rasher has disabled debug output with his binary? 11.42.08 # Nope 11.42.14 # well, it works fine on linux here. The windows binary indeed doesn't show any output 11.42.16 # gammy: yes, but working as well. I didn't do any serious rockbox programming for months :( 11.42.20 # The only thing I do out of the ordinary is to strip the binaries 11.42.42 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b9bdd.ucd.ie) 11.42.43 # bluebrother: ?? Debug output is working fine on windows... 11.42.52 # hmm. No idea. 11.43.01 # Yer, i have also tried the --help operator but i can't get any output. 11.43.03 # amiconn: how? rasher's binary doesn't show any output for me 11.43.25 # I used the precompiled UiSimulator 11.43.39 # Erm, I didn't try rasher's binaries. I referred to sims compiled on cygwin 11.43.42 # amiconn: did you compile 11.43.52 # sure 11.44.04 # What's rasher's binaries? 11.44.07 # rasher: you're cross-compiling from linux, right? 11.44.59 # FergoFrog: you noticed that the prebuild binaries are not hosted on rockbox.org? 11.45.21 # Yes they are hosted on rasher.dk 11.45.40 # and the guy who builds those binaries is rasher. So those are rashers binaries. 11.45.41 # http://rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/ if you want the url 11.45.54 *** Alert Mode OFF 11.46.26 # Yes. 11.46.32 # FergoFrog: why do you use ./rockboxui.exe? 11.46.55 # It uses the folder i was in. 11.47.02 # I use cgywin not cmd 11.47.04 # pixelma: he's on cygwin ;) 11.47.28 # So should i just compile my self 11.47.40 # FergoFrog: or bug rasher :) 11.47.57 # Lol... rasher 11.50.03 # How do i compile myself, what files do i need. 11.50.49 Join kubiixaka [0] (n=Miranda@ip-89-103-17-41.karneval.cz) 11.51.21 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust362.winn.cable.ntl.com) 11.51.44 # bluebrother: me too, but I don't use precompiled sims ;) 11.53.28 # interesting news for all vmware users: open-vm-tools released http://open-vm-tools.sourceforge.net/index.php 11.56.25 # Cool 11.58.49 # I think this might simply be a win32 problem. At one point sdl created "stdout.txt" and "stderr.txt" files in the dir of the binary 11.59.40 # yeah it doesn't do that anymore. 11.59.44 # If I remember correctly. 11.59.56 # I'm willing to bet that compiling the sim for windows in any way will produce this behavior 12.00.05 # (windows being different form cygwin) 12.00.25 # Nope 12.00.26 Join GodEater [0] (n=bryan@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 12.00.28 Join Buschel [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3D3C9.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.00.34 # amiconn: nope what? 12.01.00 # The sdl sim is compiled under cygwin as a pure win32 binary which doesn't need cygwin installed in order to run (-mno_cygwin) 12.02.08 # It only needs sdl.dll (either in the program dir or available system wide) 12.02.21 # Still, compiling under cygwin uses different flags etc. than compiling directly for windows (from linux) 12.02.33 # Does it? 12.02.46 # Well *something* is different 12.03.58 # I'm compiling myself how big should the ram be? 12.04.05 # Just 32megs 12.07.00 Quit marckie ("Leaving") 12.07.20 # FergoFrog: compiling for what ? 12.08.21 # Earlier convo... Compiling own simulator. 12.13.19 Join newby [0] (n=newby@ip68-7-12-123.sd.sd.cox.net) 12.17.57 Quit Peter15 () 12.18.26 Join solatis [0] (i=lmergen@cc1172915-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) 12.18.33 # hello, i was wondering 12.18.45 # is any archos model supported ? 12.19.02 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@25.11.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 12.19.03 # or is it just the models that are listed on the sites ? 12.19.20 # that list contains several archos models 12.19.31 # but yes, the list lists all the supported models 12.19.39 # since i was considering buying a flash-based portable music player, and the archos 105 caught my eye 12.19.50 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54967C35.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.20.00 # get a sansa e200 12.21.42 # hmmm, i'm confused -- is the whole sansa e200 series supported ? since i only see e250, e260, etc listed on the sandisk site 12.21.52 # yes 12.21.56 # what is "Using m68k-elf-ld 2.16 "? 12.22.00 # mean? 12.22.02 # e250, e260 and e280 are just different sizes 12.22.05 # yeah 12.22.08 # same firmware 12.22.17 # solatis: the e200 doesn't even exist as a player 12.22.35 # ddalton: that the build was/is built using that ld (binutils) version 12.22.38 # so what 50 gb 60 gb and 80 gb? 12.22.49 # markun, i noticed that ;) 12.22.57 # ddalton: dream on :) 12.22.59 # no 2gb, 4gb and 8gb 12.23.13 # o ok sorry... 12.23.14 # the sansas are flash 12.23.28 # ok then 12.23.38 # are they a good player? 12.23.50 # by what standards? 12.24.42 # I disliked the buttons on the sansa pretty much when I had one in my hands 12.24.53 Join SliMM [0] (n=chatzill@89.137.226.12) 12.24.54 # hmmm... 2GB for 65 euro's or 4GB for 87 euro's.. decisions decisions 12.25.26 # markun: why? E.g. 40GB = 32GB microSD (as soon as available) plus 8GB internal ;) 12.25.26 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 12.25.26 # * bluebrother notices a stray possibly plural 's :) 12.25.42 # well the sansas are basically the only flash players around that can run rockbox 12.25.49 # I mean, around to be found new 12.26.00 # ipod nano is not flash-based ? 12.26.08 # it is, but it's out of production 12.26.15 # and 2nd gen is not supported 12.26.47 # aha 12.27.09 # why didn't you keep the link to the changing during the 'last 4 weeks' 12.27.13 # ? 12.28.28 # pixelma: ok, then I take it back ;) 12.28.54 # because the new frontpage is awful anyway? ;-) 12.30.25 Quit newbyx86 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.35.26 Quit SliMM (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.35.53 Join senab [0] (n=chatzill@82-35-229-48.cable.ubr01.smal.blueyonder.co.uk) 12.36.24 Quit Soap (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.36.44 Join Soap__ [0] (n=Soap@h69.100.29.71.ip.alltel.net) 12.36.50 Nick Soap__ is now known as Soap (n=Soap@h69.100.29.71.ip.alltel.net) 12.44.57 Join datasleep [0] (n=datachil@217-208-144-87-no75.tbcn.telia.com) 12.45.31 Quit datachild (Nick collision from services.) 12.47.38 Quit senab ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518]") 12.48.17 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 12.50.02 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.50.13 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B15308.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.52.41 Join seablue [0] (n=s@0x535c1344.banxx3.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) 12.55.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.56.10 Quit Soap (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.56.12 Join Soap__ [0] (n=Soap@h69.100.29.71.ip.alltel.net) 12.56.18 Nick Soap__ is now known as Soap (n=Soap@h69.100.29.71.ip.alltel.net) 12.58.21 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 13.04.42 Quit pondlife ("disconnected has pondlife") 13.05.02 Quit atsea- ("using sirc version 2.211") 13.10.33 Quit FergoFrog ("Leaving") 13.13.40 Nick bb__ is now known as bb_ (n=bb@dslb-088-074-145-003.pools.arcor-ip.net) 13.13.48 Nick bb_ is now known as bb (n=bb@unaffiliated/bb) 13.14.41 Quit barrywardell () 13.21.38 # B4gder: I didn't know Rockbox was invited to the GSoC Mentor Summit? 13.22.53 # we aren't 13.22.57 # We are 13.23.19 # Leslie mailed a list of all orgs 13.23.23 # I haven't got an invite at lest 13.23.40 # check the "List of Organizations Invited to the Mentor Summit" mail 13.23.57 # url? 13.24.04 # where is this summit? 13.24.10 # it was a mail 13.24.12 # mountain view? 13.24.21 # well, I haven't got any such mail 13.24.44 # * petur tries to forward 13.24.58 # perhaps gmail ate it! ,-) 13.25.50 # well the formal invitation of them was reported as spam by their own filter :) 13.26.15 # I just searched for "summit" in my gmail and there was no match 13.26.22 # B4gder: i told you yesterday :P 13.26.35 # I hardly use my gmail so I would assume I should see it 13.26.44 # its not like it drowns among anything else 13.27.08 # preglow: yes, and I tried to find some info about this summit on their site 13.27.09 # got it now? I forwarded it to your haxx.se address 13.27.11 # but failed 13.27.52 # found a link to the group too: http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-mentors-list/browse_thread/thread/16896b515556878c 13.28.43 # and his follow-up there might mean something 13.29.37 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c58-109-97-210.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au) 13.29.38 # no to self: abs() and fabs() are not the same 13.29.41 # note... 13.33.02 # * B4gder sent a mail to mr google 13.33.13 Join Jeton [0] (n=chatzill@217.16.89.206) 13.35.02 # I see on the main page this: Faster video rendering for e200 and Gigabeat 13.35.21 # does it mean higher fps for Sansa? 13.35.43 # yes 13.35.52 # (it should) 13.35.59 # It may not be measurably higher though. :) 13.36.22 # He didn't specify how much of a performance increase it is. 13.36.25 # oh, but it's an improvement. (?) 13.37.10 # Anyone familiar with the internals of an iPod mini? 13.38.19 # Jeton: if you have a sansa player you could just try it 13.38.20 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.38.31 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B15308.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.38.50 # will do now :) 13.38.58 # * Llorean wonders if Mike's going to stop optimizing video on Gigabeat at any point before it can play back DVDs. 13.39.23 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 13.39.29 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 13.39.48 Quit Soap (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.39.50 # if i understand correctly it's not in SVN yet tough, http://www.rockbox.org/daily/changelogs/changes-20070912.html 13.40.05 # Jeton: Why are you looking at the daily instead of the current build? 13.40.12 # Jeton: it is in svn 13.40.18 # you read commit message 13.40.22 # +the 13.40.53 # * Jeton is learning something new everyday :D 13.43.21 # * jhMikeS decided to be a little mysterious 13.43.49 # but I will say the framerate increase is substatial 13.44.01 # well, a video that appeared jerky before doesn't appear jerky at all now. 13.44.09 # which is great. 13.44.11 Quit safetydan ("Ex-Chat") 13.44.21 # I suppose it worked then :) 13.44.29 # yeah 13.44.34 # thanks 13.44.59 # jhMikeS: Substantial on Gigabeat too? 13.45.21 # even there yes 13.45.51 Quit ddalton ("leaving") 13.46.31 Quit iamben (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.47.01 # it uses no multiplication and no chroma buffer which both help big time 13.53.11 # hrm...xd cards and smartmedia card readers can actually be used to dump nand flash chips...didnt knwo that one 13.56.20 Join elinenbe [0] (n=elinenbe@cpe-68-174-107-47.nyc.res.rr.com) 13.56.27 Quit actionshrimp (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.58.18 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@rockbox/contributor/Genre9mp3) 13.58.36 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@bas3-montreal28-1279372579.dsl.bell.ca) 13.59.53 Quit Jeton ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518]") 14.03.47 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 14.09.24 Quit B4gder ("It is time to say MOOO") 14.11.07 # haha removing an ipod mini from its case while rockbox is on gives a prefetch abort at coedbabe 14.11.28 # No idea why though :P 14.12.23 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 14.13.43 # Does anybody know where I can find a precompiled deutsch.lang voice file? The one on the wiki is from June. 14.14.54 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B15308.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.14.54 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.18.49 # qweru: you also need to say for what player you need it 14.18.57 # Why is there a Submenu to the "Playlists" Main menu entry? I can access all functions listed in there via the WPS context menu, can't I? To me it hinders my way to access the Playlists. 14.19.00 # sansa e280 14.19.59 # I probably can remove that submenu, and could provide a patch, but wanted to hear other opinions/reasons for it's existence. 14.20.00 # einhirn: what do you suggest instead ? 14.20.12 # Just go to the list of Playlists directly 14.20.50 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.20.55 # There should be nothing that's exclusive to the Context Menu unless it's only ever useful in that context, though. 14.20.57 # einhirn: it's also what I suggested, but the argument was that you shouldn't be able to view theplaylist if there is none 14.21.26 # In english the Menu point is called "Playlists" and I was very astonished (!?) that i got a submenu instead of a list of playlists. 14.22.11 # einhirn: feel free to make a patch, I'm all for it 14.22.14 # Llorean: Ok, I get that. It just seems redundant. And in my case obstructing? 14.23.53 # markun: maybe we misunderstood each other? When I first used the "Playlists" menu I was expecting to see the playlists I moved to the Playlists folder. Instead I saw some commands (create, view, save) that I rarely ever use ;) 14.24.30 # I don't understand what you are suggesting, I mean you can do more than just viewing the current playlistfrom there (like using the playlist catalog) 14.25.06 # einhirn: yes, we minsunderstood eachother :) 14.26.12 # pixelma: "playlist catalog"- thats the word I was missing. I thought that entering the Menu point "Playlists" would bring me directly to the playlist catalog - not to some playlist related functions _and_ the playlist catalog. 14.28.15 # why not? You can save the current playlist from there and save it even if it's not playing... 14.28.46 # or create a new one 14.28.58 # So maybe it's just the name being un-intuitive. 14.29.28 # But "create one" is an obscure function. 14.31.18 # I started it and it went to build "/root.m3u8" - why? Obviously I currently was in root - but how is that function useful via the main menu? It clearly is related to files or browsing, so why not put it in that context menu? 14.32.00 # (yes I know that there is a point Playlist in that context menu already - it just doesn't do the same as the "create playlist" function in the main menu) 14.32.49 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.32.57 # I'll provide a patch to remove it - this way I customize rockbox to my liking and maybe it even gets committed. 14.33.07 # pixelma: you around? 14.33.21 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007073113]") 14.33.40 # I wanted to let you know that I replied to your comment on the sansa keymap patch, fs#7749. 14.33.56 # I'll take a look 14.33.57 # (interestingly my patch to "delete currently playing track" ended up as a duplicate - someone had the same Idea ;) ) 14.34.22 # einhirn: there is a small quirk if you move the playlist creation to the browser context menu 14.34.41 # LinusN: Ok, what is it? 14.34.52 # in the browser, the context is defined as "the item the cursor is placed on" 14.35.09 Join bluebrother [0] (i=t5PZEGF6@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 14.35.16 # which means that there is no way to select the root directory for playlist creation 14.35.32 # While the Playlist creation uses "current" directory. 14.35.37 # yes 14.35.49 # * bluebrother wonders why plugin keymaps should be critical for a port 14.36.05 # bluebrother: how else would you play doom?!?! 14.36.20 # maxkelley: remove doom! 14.36.22 # well, to the completeness of the port. 14.36.23 # :) 14.36.42 # why do people think the ipod nano problems somehow pertains to retailos version? 14.36.44 # still I don't consider this as anything similar as critical 14.37.36 # maxkelley: will give you a small patch in a few... 14.37.51 # preglow: For a while the only obvious difference was retail version, we disproved that but it was a "possibility" for a bit. 14.38.02 # maxkelley: or should I post it the tracker? 14.38.27 # So can't I deduce the current path from "the item the cursor is placed on"? Or is this a "human interaction" instead of a technical quirk? 14.38.44 # pixelma: you can post it to the tracker, I'm at school anyways so I can't test it. 14.38.45 # einhirn: How do you place the curser on "Root"? 14.39.03 # later tonight, I'll test it. 14.39.09 # ok 14.39.17 # thanks :) 14.39.32 # Ok, the "create playlist" uses the current directory as a target, right? 14.40.29 # alright, I 14.40.37 # I'm out.. 14.41.35 # Llorean: I see - if one places the cursor on a subdirectory, that subdirectory is used to create a playlist. 14.42.29 Join XtaZee [0] (i=chriswa@colargol.tihlde.org) 14.42.45 # Llorean: and you expect confusion if "create playlist" suddenly uses the "current directory" in the context menu of a "directory Item" (eg. the parent of the selected directory) 14.42.52 # Yes 14.43.00 # Because the Context Menu is explicitly "Things to do to the selected item" 14.43.19 # It's like Right Clicking in Windows, you don't expect it to perform actions on items other than those highlighted. 14.43.32 # has anyone tried to get rockbox working on diy hardware? 14.43.56 # Ok, except when you click into "white space", then you operate on the "current directory" ;) 14.44.19 # XtaZee: there has been talk, but what hardware are you thinking of? 14.44.34 # einhirn: but then nothing is highlighted... 14.44.40 # scorche: Nothing special... I was pondering building something like the yampp or something myself.. 14.44.41 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.44.46 # abit more advanced though 14.44.58 # Llorean: Simple solution - just add a "virtual root directory" item *g* 14.45.31 # Because that's so much simpler than "leave it as it is, because it works"? 14.45.33 # Like '.' in most operating systems command shell ;) 14.45.46 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B15308.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.45.51 # i know it's a bit overkill, but could RockBox be convinced to work on a Gumstix for example? 14.45.57 # XtaZee: pretty much all DIY hardware i have seen is similar to the ipodshuffle and wouldnt gain much 14.45.57 # einhirn: solution to what?...i dont see a problem to solve 14.46.20 # XtaZee: http://www.diva-portal.org/diva/getDocument?urn_nbn_se_liu_diva-7114-1__fulltext.pdf 14.46.37 # einhirn: . and .. actually exist as dir entries on FAT... not very virtual... 14.46.59 # Llorean: No, but I am unsatisfied with the way that particular Menu entry works ;) 14.47.20 # einhirn: except in the root 14.47.35 # petur: damn fat ;) 14.48.06 # einhirn: then make a patch for yourself...i havent seen anyone else complain about it really and adding "." and ".." would just add plenty of confusion 14.48.23 # XtaZee: which one of the Gumstix are you thinking of? 14.48.31 # scorche: seems like I'm the lone ranger again ;) 14.49.50 # LinusN: where did this come from?...i hadnt heard about this project... 14.50.30 # it's a master thesis by some swedish guys that asked me for help 14.51.28 # "Finally we would like to thank all the Rockbox developers, especially Linus Nielsen Feltzing for all the help on getting the development environment working" :-) 14.51.49 # is this the same anders that was at devcon? 14.51.53 # nope 14.52.11 # i have never met them in person :-) 14.53.14 Quit The-Compiler (Remote closed the connection) 14.53.41 # Llorean: I hope I don't bother you just tooo much, but what has "Playlist Catalog -> View Catalog" to do with "Things to do to the selected item"? 14.53.59 # einhirn: now that is a much better question 14.54.13 # I'll stop now, produce a patch that hopefully makes a sense and submit it. 14.54.31 # jhMikeS: Alright, I got 45fps in fullscreen elephant's dream, but it hung at the last spinup before the end of the movie. 14.55.08 # einhirn: From the WPS it makes sense, since you can add the currently playing(selected) song to the Playlist, right? 14.55.09 # LinusN: looks like the rockbox wiki was a great help to them =) 14.55.17 # :-) 14.55.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.55.36 # LinusN: the same way I could add "create playlist from current directory" to the context menu of any item. 14.55.56 # jhMikeS: I seem to recall this bug has been around a while, but only happens when "Limit FPS" is turned off. 14.56.02 # markun: aren't they all basically the same, just different speeds? 14.56.11 # Llorean : I specifically meant "View Catalog" - that doesn't do anything with the current item, does it? 14.56.36 # LinusN: ick...i hate spotting typos in a master's thesis 14.57.03 # einhirn: If it serves no use in that menu, it should probably be removed, yes. 15.00.16 # XtaZee: I just had a quick look at the site. What about audio, storage and screen? 15.00.32 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@25.11.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 15.01.22 # Llorean: it can happen with it on as well. it's because the parsing gets past the end of what's actually buffered and aborts. 15.01.54 # If the buffering is slow for some reason, or? 15.02.00 # Llorean: How to create a new directory in root employing the strict "operate on selected Item" policy? 15.02.30 # if the bitrate is too high for the buffer ahead 15.02.43 # disk spinup, etc. 15.02.52 Join bowl [0] (i=c27f0814@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6373b379055213b7) 15.03.07 # RE: selecting the root folder for context actions: couldn't selecting the "Files" entry in the main menu be considered as selecting the root? 15.03.58 # einhirn: At which point you're now being argumentative rather than trying to use common sense. I said it was "explicitly" things to do, not strictly or exclusively. 15.04.26 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.04.27 # einhirn: File and Folder creation, by common interface sense, happens in the folder you see rather than in what you have selected. 15.05.05 # In many file managers you have to click in the whitespace, but that is not an option in Rockbox. 15.05.45 # Llorean: when you said "hung" you meant the player was locked? 15.05.55 # jhMikeS: No, playback just ceased to move forward. 15.06.01 # ah, ok. 15.06.05 # I pressed Power and left Mpegplayer, and everything seemed fine 15.06.22 # Didn't try to play anything else though, just shut it off 15.06.31 # Llorean: Ok I think I went over the top with that - but does "create playlist" from main menu (!) - by common interface sense - create a recursive playlist rooting in the currently browsed directory? 15.06.54 # it's fine. the video stream just stopped itself then. 15.06.59 # einhirn: "Create Playlist" in the main menu wouldn't have any common interface sense associated with it, so I'd hope the user would actually look at the manual 15.07.32 # I don't think there's any "common ground" upon which a user should have expectation for Create Playlist, if it doesn't offer them a file browser from which to select files 15.09.02 # As I said previously - I'll create a patch and submit it, then either discussion and modification of the patch follows, or committing or rejecting. 15.09.36 Join nicktastic [0] (n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic) 15.10.54 # Now to something completely different - Could we start a poll with rockbox users to decide if the Quickscreen for "F3" is wasted space? 15.11.16 # Rockbox isn't exactly a democracy... 15.11.27 # Yup, I tend to forget ;) 15.11.30 # * jhMikeS thinks the e200 and meg-fx asm files should be combined. they're identical and maintaining two identical files is pointless imho. :\ 15.11.35 # You'd be better off coming up with something you think is an acceptable replacement, and posting a patch. 15.12.23 # jhMikeS: and just put it in firmware/target/arm ? 15.12.29 # Hmm - maybe I first provide a patch so that I can exit the F3 Quickscreen by pressing F3 again. 15.12.51 # markun: it would be useable on all arm targets with the memmapped graphics ram setup 15.13.12 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b9bdd.ucd.ie) 15.13.22 # einhirn: While you are at it - could you perhaps come up with an action mapping that reintroduces the true quick operation mode? 15.13.40 # quick operation mode? 15.13.42 # the S uses memmapped graphic ram too? 15.14.18 # Every time I use the radio, I'm reminded how much I hate the controls for the radio screen. =/ 15.14.40 # jhMikeS: I'm pretty sure 15.14.54 # einhirn: Quickscreens are (or were) supposed to be usable in 2 ways (recorder example): 15.15.20 # (1, slow) Short press of F2 (or F3) to enter it. Press Left, Down, or Right multiple times to adjust options. Press F2 (resp. F3) again to leave the quickscreen 15.15.25 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B15308.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.16.03 # (2, quick) Press and hold F2 or F3 to enter it. Press Left, Down, Right to adjust options. Release F2 (resp. F3) to leave the quickscreen 15.16.20 # Oh, I see. 15.16.25 # (2) doesn't work since the action concept was introduced 15.16.36 # Hmm - maybe. 15.16.38 # (and even 1 doesn't work properly) 15.17.11 # markun: I guess lcd-as-memgram.S or somthing would make alot of sense then. three copies of same file would be nasty. 15.17.49 # You don't suppose that could be done by defining key combinations? Like "F1+On"? 15.18.02 # Ok, That doesn't quite match what you described.. 15.20.30 # I guess that the action concept doesn't split Key presses into "make" and "break" like PC keyboard? 15.20.46 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust362.winn.cable.ntl.com) 15.22.44 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.23.09 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@38.98.196.75) 15.25.27 Join Naked [0] (i=naked@naked.iki.fi) 15.25.45 Nick Naked is now known as Hadaka (i=naked@naked.iki.fi) 15.26.03 # Llorean: I once had a patch for an F3 Menu - but I can't find it in the Patch tracker anymore - maybe it got lost because It was too "custom" or something. 15.31.30 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B15308.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.34.43 # Any comments on the idea "Files (in main menu) = root folder for context actions (e.g. add to playlist)"? 15.38.15 # I think it's a stupid idea, because then you can't use context actions on files in the root folder 15.38.57 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 15.39.03 # GodEater: I think he means the actual "Files" option from the menu 15.39.11 # Rather than using the context menu from within the root. 15.39.24 # But since "Files" doesn't consistently point to the root, that kinda brings up an inconsistency 15.40.26 # ah ok 15.40.44 # Files already has a context menu too doesn't it ? 15.40.51 # No clue, honestly 15.41.34 # yes it does ;) 15.41.53 # GodEater: yes, almost all entries in the main menu, if not all, habe context menues 15.42.01 Quit hcs (Client Quit) 15.42.25 # in fact, Playlists doesn't 15.42.31 # nor Plugins 15.42.42 # everything else does 15.43.34 Quit bluebrother ("Lost terminal") 15.45.12 # I'm not proposing adding an entry to the File's context menu. But if we'd like to have "Add to playlist" for the root dir, we could use "File" for this since it's the only reasonable place 15.45.37 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-208-127.student.uu.se) 15.45.42 # If I recall, "Add to Playlist" is a good deal slower than "Create Playlist" anyway 15.45.43 # IMHO of course 15.46.01 Part LinusN 15.46.14 # Llorean: why should that be ? 15.47.25 # I'm not actually sure why, but I seem to recall it being that "Add To" has to do it a certain way, because it's actually adding individual entries, while "Create" doesn't, but I may be misremembering. 15.47.45 Quit BigMac ("Konversation terminated!") 15.48.44 Quit Febs (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.48.51 Part Llorean 15.53.11 Quit bowl ("CGI:IRC") 15.53.46 Nick chris__ is now known as billytwowilly (n=chris@CABLE-72-53-22-61.cia.com) 15.58.23 # Hmm - I didn't know the possibility of "Context menu" in the Main menu existed - so just add the functions from the "Playlists" sub menu to a "Playlists" context menu. That way they'd be out of my way, and still usable in their old way. 15.59.17 Join kclaf [0] (i=kclaf@85.95.211.245) 15.59.33 # anyone else tried out FS7738 on a clickwheel ipod yet ? 16.01.31 Nick parafin|away is now known as parafin (i=parafin@paraf.in) 16.02.06 Join atsea- [0] (i=atsea-@gateway/tor/x-0ad84d55a6e3124d) 16.02.48 Quit barrywardell () 16.03.28 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b9bdd.ucd.ie) 16.06.57 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@207.72.173.79) 16.12.21 Join tarballz [0] (n=chatzill@72.171.132.62) 16.15.33 Join bluebrother [0] (i=cIk0Gdtk@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 16.24.28 # GodEater: regarding my patch -> could you please try to inser a new line in line 236? 16.24.34 # *insert 16.25.02 # yep, that appears to work (at least, the patch error isn't there anymore) ;) 16.25.52 # any idea why it happens ? 16.26.18 # I hacked the .patch-outputfile :( 16.28.16 Quit CaptainSquid ("Miranda IM!") 16.30.19 # anybody know of a theme that looks like iTunes that is not on rockbox.org? i just started using rockbox, and i think i missed the ones that where removed for "copyright" issues 16.31.47 # nevermind...i just read the irc rules 16.31.54 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@cpe-70-113-103-34.austin.res.rr.com) 16.32.21 # Buschel: works great :) 16.33.03 # good news :) 16.33.21 # has jhMikes still got issues with it ? 16.33.28 # or is it pretty much ready to go now ? 16.33.31 Part tarballz 16.34.34 # Buschel: shall I upload my edited patch so that others can try it ? 16.35.02 # GodEater: just updated it myself ;) 16.35.06 # cool :) 16.35.15 # want me to test apply it again to check ? 16.35.50 # GodEater: jhMikeS wanted to change the kind of configuration 16.35.56 # Imo it doesn't make sense to have wheel acceleration 2 times in the source 16.36.09 # Rather, ipods should define HAVE_SCROLLWHEEL as well 16.36.20 Join ivan` [0] (n=ivan`@adsl-71-142-208-229.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) 16.36.48 # Hmm, do they in the patch? :confused: 16.36.57 # yes 16.37.05 # the changes are in the clickwheel driver iiuc 16.37.15 # so it works like the sansa wheel now 16.37.17 # What about the new setting? 16.37.39 # you mean the wheelspeed one ? 16.38.02 # yes 16.38.08 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 16.38.08 # what about it ? 16.38.16 # bluebrother: for a new crossreference (which is only an item in a subsection) I need to give that item a label in order to use "ref:" in the chapter I want to link from - or do I overlook something? 16.38.49 # It wasn't there before, not even for sansa 16.39.04 # I've never seen a sansa 16.39.06 # so I wouldn't know 16.39.12 # what's wrong with it anyway ? 16.39.41 # pixelma: you need to assign a label. The name of that label is arbitrary, but we used some common prefixes (like "ref:") 16.40.46 # ah, thanks 16.40.50 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B155D6.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.41.05 # GodEater/amiconn: the new setting can be sued to tweak the speed and starting point of the acceleration. If we find a good default we could also drop this configuration and use a "hard" define. 16.41.08 # I wonder why the patch adds a setting if it's just a port of the sansa wheel acceleration to ipods 16.41.12 # *used 16.41.33 # I like the fact that it's configurable personally 16.43.27 # Question: In the online version of the Manual (at least the Archos Recorder V1 version) - why is the "next" link listed on the left, while the "Prev" link is listed on the right? In a left-to-right-language I'd assume to access the next page/chapter/whatever by clicking somewhere right. 16.46.19 # einhirn: that's just the default how htlatex creates it. I never bothered about changing it. 16.46.35 # weird default 16.46.53 # markun : i'd say so... ;) 16.48.09 # Anyway, no top priority, I think - just weird. I found out about it when clicking without watching and wondering why I moved back instead of forward through the chapters. 16.48.43 # file a task in the tracker if you want to. I guess it's not hard to change, but htlatex' documentation is really ... bad :o 16.49.47 # one could also argue that if you want to skip the chapter it's better to have "next" first ... 16.50.26 # that reminds me that I still haven't set up tex4ht under cygwin :\ 16.51.14 # Where can I find a recent german voice file for a Sansa E200? I am happy to compile my own but my rockbox vmware image is from 2006 and I was unable to install any of the 3 TTS on it. 16.51.19 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.51.52 # bluebrother: on the other hand I have yet to see another page navigation like the htlatex default. 16.52.22 # well, I don't care much about the order of the navigation as long as it works ;) 16.52.42 # Of course - just that it is non-intuitive ;) 16.52.58 # I'm struggling with this stupid w32 api :( 16.53.14 # e200rinstaller ? 16.53.30 # Is there a way to patch it in the build system and submit it? IE point out the place to look for the htlatex command line... 16.53.40 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 16.53.55 # einhirn: of course, the manual is in svn too 16.54.00 # GodEater: no, only usb detection for now. 16.54.18 # bluebrother: but with that as the ultimate goal though I assume ? 16.54.52 # well, my first goal is to allow device detection based on usb ids without requiring a driver on windows. 16.55.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.55.25 # if we can detect the e200r properly we can tell the user to install a driver (unless we do this automatically or it's already installed) 16.55.53 # GodEater: I'll grep for it, maybe I can "fix" this weird behaviour. 16.56.01 # einhirn: check manual/rockbox-html.cfg 16.56.09 # Ah, thanks ;) 16.56.33 # not sure if you can change the order in that file -- I only adjusted some css stuff (and it's been a while) 16.57.16 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.57.16 # But first I have to leave and do some stuff in the big blue room. 16.57.20 # bye 16.58.22 # have fun 16.58.37 Join goffa_ [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 16.58.44 # bluebrother: We can install the driver almost automatically once we know it is needed. Did you think about the detection of ipods connected via firewire though? 16.59.18 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@hdp186.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 16.59.29 # haven't thought about that. But Ipods can get detected just fine using ipodpatcher, so I assume this should work using firewire as well 16.59.35 Quit tictoc (Remote closed the connection) 17.00.05 Quit einhirn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.00.53 Join tictoc [0] (i=tabac@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xB9002659) 17.01.15 # Yes that does work, as long as the partitioning is intact 17.01.58 # the Ipods also have some gaps in the DeviceDetection table. 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Did a mistake when creating it... 18.07.06 # sure 18.07.31 Nick datasleep is now known as datachild (n=datachil@217-208-144-87-no75.tbcn.telia.com) 18.08.24 # Buschel: You might want to add a short descrition of what you changed to the task 18.08.35 Join Siku [0] (n=Siku@f303b.w3.tontut.fi) 18.09.46 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@38.98.196.75) 18.10.04 Join zook [0] (i=d4f2de18@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-addc8accf8cd1fa8) 18.10.40 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@bas3-montreal28-1279372579.dsl.bell.ca) 18.15.32 Quit zook ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 18.15.59 Join zook [0] (i=d4f2de18@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5914b3767f12e146) 18.16.30 # n1s: thanks. added comment with changes 18.17.35 Quit petur ("work->home") 18.18.56 Nick zook is now known as z00k (i=d4f2de18@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5914b3767f12e146) 18.19.10 Quit Siku (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.19.27 Join Siku [0] (n=Siku@f303b.w3.tontut.fi) 18.19.31 Nick z00k is now known as Z00k (i=d4f2de18@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5914b3767f12e146) 18.24.56 Quit Z00k ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 18.29.25 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p549645A0.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.32.07 Quit obo ("bye") 18.33.43 Quit pondlife ("disconnected has pondlife") 18.40.24 Join rotator [0] (n=e@rockbox/developer/rotator) 18.42.40 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 18.48.53 Quit Frazz ("Leaving") 18.49.43 Join webguest33 [0] (i=40af2437@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6f7931d215f543a8) 18.50.50 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 18.51.57 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-069-134-102-044.nc.res.rr.com) 18.54.19 Quit petur (Client Quit) 18.55.21 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 18.55.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.56.35 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 19.01.11 Quit barrywardell () 19.01.28 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b9bdd.ucd.ie) 19.01.59 Quit datachild ("Drug Free - Slut Free") 19.08.10 # bluebrother: around? 19.12.33 Quit webguest33 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 19.14.50 Join Frazz [0] (n=Fraser@thelawsons.plus.com) 19.17.17 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host23-168-dynamic.6-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 19.23.25 Join zook [0] (i=d4f2de18@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-182d9985879ee238) 19.23.37 Nick zook is now known as z00k (i=d4f2de18@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-182d9985879ee238) 19.28.53 Quit z00k ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 19.30.06 Join obo [0] (n=obo@rockbox/developer/obo) 19.30.33 Quit kubiixaka (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.30.40 Join kubiixaka [0] (n=Miranda@ip-89-103-17-41.karneval.cz) 19.37.55 Join hanklords [0] (n=hank@lev92-1-81-57-180-162.fbx.proxad.net) 19.38.06 # pixelma: back, but only for a few minutes. 19.40.46 # I'm currently experimenting myself a bit, maybe I'll find the solution - otherwise I might have a question later 19.41.06 # I'll be out until ~22.30h or so tonight. 19.42.08 # ok, no hurry. The spliteditor chapter was outdated for so long that another few hours don't hurt ;) 19.46.06 Quit linuxstb (Connection reset by peer) 19.47.22 Quit Siku (Nick collision from services.) 19.47.28 Join Siku [0] (n=Siku@f303b.w3.tontut.fi) 19.50.01 # bluebrother: gave you a link, would be nice if you could take a look (if you still have a few minutes of course) 19.50.17 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.55.00 # still not source code from "blackhawk" then :( 19.55.03 # s/not/no 19.57.19 Join BigMac [0] (n=mike@c-71-234-95-131.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) 19.58.16 # * amiconn wonders who/what blackhawk is 20.00.45 # the guy who did the "port" to the motorola phone 20.00.56 # he's refused to release his modified code so far 20.02.55 Quit petur ("switching") 20.03.04 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 20.04.14 Join tchan1 [0] (n=tchan@c-24-13-84-219.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 20.04.55 # * GodEater_ wonders if we should set Febs on him 20.13.11 Quit The-Compiler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.13.20 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@25.11.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 20.13.25 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@e176229019.adsl.alicedsl.de) 20.13.52 Quit kubiixaka (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.14.03 # GodEater_: You should 20.17.40 Quit knakifhnn (Remote closed the connection) 20.18.37 Quit tchan (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.19.53 Join knakiilfk [0] (i=0@86.122.116.44) 20.20.58 Join linuxstb [0] (n=chatzill@extern-halls-hg-24.soton.ac.uk) 20.21.04 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.21.12 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF668C.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.22.13 # GodEater: is there proof that it works, or is it once again a hoax? 20.26.07 # nevermind it seems that some use it already... 20.26.58 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 20.27.41 # i like the size of the static rbutilqt binary on linux :P 20.28.56 # btw, nice work on it, this seems a lot nicer than the wx version 20.31.00 # Not just "QT-static" or what? 20.31.09 # seems more solid too 20.31.52 # static binaries are always huge 20.32.34 # desowin: yeah, but ten gigs :PPP it's not 100% static either, just qt 20.33.10 # ehh, megs, not gigs 20.33.36 # gees, 10GB of file :D hehe, sometimes typos are nasty 20.35.58 # * preglow wants some good wpses for christmas 20.36.12 # hahaha 20.36.18 # most of the current ones just seem... bland 20.36.29 # * petur gets reminded of xmas lemmings :) 20.37.02 # hahaha 20.37.32 # man, rbutil is a right nice little thing now 20.37.44 # what about a beer theme ? :p 20.37.49 # hahah 20.38.05 # now, i love beer, but i think i'll just allow that to not to decide my choice of wps :P 20.42.11 Quit akaias (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.44.50 Quit nerochiaro (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.45.08 Join nerochiaro [0] (n=nerochia@adsl203-164-174.mclink.it) 20.47.24 # why isn't a shared bin build as well? and why no 64 bit? :> 20.47.27 # petur: is a beer theme one you only like after drinking a few? ;) 20.47.54 # hehe 20.51.04 # how is devices currently autodetected? 20.51.28 # what's the preferred license for a WPS? 20.54.05 Join random_desu [0] (n=chatzill@85.234.50.28) 20.54.39 # creative-commons share-alike? 20.55.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.55.45 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 20.57.59 # krazykit: yup.. thats good.. 20.58.38 # just want to be sure others can change the work as they like :D 20.58.40 # Are sansas noticeably faster than ipods, or about the same? (In terms of UI lag while playing, amount of audio processing possible...) 20.59.57 # what is the problem with e200rpatcher and libusb on windows ? (i can compile it, but i cant test (no e200r here) ).. 21.02.48 Join willb3 [0] (n=willb@192.18.43.225) 21.04.17 # Lear: I have no sansa, but it should be in the same performance range as the ipods (with the ipods varying a lot as well) 21.04.27 # It's the same cpu core(s) after all 21.05.23 # Yes, but the CPU is supposed to be a little faster (higher clock, according to specs), question is, is it noticeable? 21.05.33 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 21.05.46 # In rockbox we don't use higher clock 21.06.01 # Saw that the e280 could be found for a quite nice price, so I'm considering it.... 21.06.43 # i haven't noticed any lag in the UI on the sansa 21.09.26 # as opposed to lag on ? 21.09.51 # speaking of e280 - is it normal that I can hear in headphones that data is being loaded from flash into ram? 21.14.23 # * maxkelley returns 21.14.33 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@bas3-montreal28-1279372579.dsl.bell.ca) 21.14.35 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.14.54 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@bas3-montreal28-1279372579.dsl.bell.ca) 21.16.29 # is there an svn for rockbox? 21.16.37 # svn.rockbox.org 21.16.46 # hm e200rpatcher on win32 seems to work for me, as far as i can test without a e200r :-) at least it correctly enumarates the product and vendor ids.. :-) 21.16.59 # willb3: more details on the website, in the wiki 21.17.10 # pixelma: thanks for the patch. 21.17.11 Quit Buschel () 21.17.12 # Domonoky: that's positive 21.17.39 # ok thanks 21.19.43 # GodEater_: do you know what the exact problem with e200rpatcher on win32 is ? The commit messages only say it doesnt work.. 21.20.40 # only that most people have not had any success with e200tool on windows due to libusb problems 21.20.53 # I'm guessing the same assumption was made for e200rpatcher 21.21.05 # is there a development chat room 21.21.07 # you're the first person I've heard of that's attempted to run it though 21.21.11 # willb3: you're in it 21.21.14 # ok! 21.21.36 # Domonoky: scorche may have tried it as well - but if so I've missed his reports 21.21.36 # is anyone working on usb host support? 21.21.41 # willb3: yes 21.22.04 # depends on the player 21.22.19 # have there been any successes 21.22.29 # willb3: what pixelma says is true - we're working on it for portalplayer based devices only 21.22.30 # I know of no-one who's working on X5 host support for example 21.22.32 # looking into writing a driver for ipodlinux 21.22.43 # right 21.22.48 # (usb host that is) 21.22.54 # willb3: austriancoder and petur are the people to talk to 21.23.00 # thanks 21.23.01 # not sure if either are here currently though 21.23.11 # The current work on PP is for usb *device* support 21.23.15 Join BjoernErik [0] (n=Bjoern@108.80-202-110.nextgentel.com) 21.23.20 # * GodEater_ apologises to anyone else working on it that he's unaware of 21.23.35 # amiconn: but host support is in the pipeline too is it not ? 21.23.40 # behind device support 21.23.53 # I don't know. I doubt it (for PP) 21.24.01 Quit The-Compiler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.24.22 # I could have sworn I'd seen some comments on using the ipod to store (for example) camera images and such 21.24.31 # perhaps I dreamt it 21.24.37 # There wouldn't be many people who could use it, as I'm not aware of an adapter for usb host mode 21.25.10 # there are definitely adaptors for cameras 21.25.18 # I've seen such that work with the apple firmware 21.25.20 # SO everyone who wanted to use it would have to solder one (and need the proprietary ipod plug to start with) 21.25.24 Join Chronon [0] (i=Chronon@d23-104.uoregon.edu) 21.25.38 # Hmm, still... 21.25.46 # amiconn: I agree it's a niche market 21.25.50 # there's one for ti calcs :) 21.25.54 # We don't even have usb host on H300 yet - and that chip is documented... 21.26.17 # (and the OF does usb host) 21.26.22 # presumably because no-one's cared enough to do it 21.26.27 # Petur created a wiki page on it a few months back: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsbOnTheGoSupport 21.26.52 # good call Febs 21.27.51 Quit desowin ("use linux") 21.28.02 Quit willb3 () 21.28.10 # anything recent happened to usb? i want rockbox disk mode :/ 21.28.20 Quit Frazz (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.28.36 Join Frazz [0] (n=Fraser@thelawsons.plus.com) 21.28.51 # preglow: Any special reason? 21.29.00 # amiconn: annoying usb bugs 21.29.05 Nick parafin is now known as parafin|away (i=parafin@paraf.in) 21.29.19 # it just gets stuck at the icon half the time 21.29.26 # * amiconn wonders how our own disk mode would magically fix these bugs 21.29.49 # amiconn: because Rockbox is just magically better when it's all our own code :) 21.30.13 # <-- wearing the face of a Rockbox zealot right now 21.30.16 # just hoping the bug will manifest itself in some other less annoying way :> 21.30.22 # The bugs happen *before* the reboot, so they will happen *before* activating our own usb mode when that's available, unless someone fixes the bugs 21.30.41 # tbh - I've not seen this bug since linuxstb's commit the other week 21.30.54 # I've seen it often since then... 21.30.55 # Is this a target specific bug? 21.31.04 # No, it's a random build specific bug 21.31.10 # amiconn: guess I don't plug in as much 21.31.12 # Some builds have it, some don't 21.31.31 # hmm.. I've never noticed it on my F40 21.31.38 # judged from the forum reports it seems to me that mostly Minis are affected 21.32.07 # * maxkelley groans. 21.32.08 # Chronon: It affects all PP502x ipods (or perhaps all PP502x targets) with varying degree 21.32.22 # I have to reinstall the sansa bootloader whenever I want to go back to of. 21.32.36 # amiconn: I see. 21.32.42 # to connect to the player. 21.33.35 # preglow: It most probably is either threading issues (dualcore related?), or the usb controller writing somewhere into ram where it shouldn't 21.33.38 # and now I forget how to do it 21.34.12 # build specific? 21.34.15 # i didn't know that 21.34.55 # It's a long-standing issue (first experienced it end of December 2006), and it always was build specific. 21.35.00 Quit clutch ("Was it network, hardware, or software?") 21.35.00 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.35.08 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B155D6.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.35.32 # linuxstb's changes didn't fix it and didn't make it worse either 21.35.37 Quit Bjoern-Erik (Connection timed out) 21.35.55 # * GodEater_ still hasn't seen it since mind you 21.36.16 # but I'm willing to allow you probably update more than I do 21.36.28 # On mini G2 there is about a 50% chance that a build has thisissue 21.36.39 Nick BjoernErik is now known as Bjoern-Erik (n=Bjoern@108.80-202-110.nextgentel.com) 21.37.26 # I try to update all targets at least once a week. The one I'm currently working on is often updated 10+ times a day 21.38.06 # * GodEater_ remembers updating at least that often while he was hunting down the 80GB ipod HD issue 21.38.32 # amiconn: weird issue, then 21.38.50 # we don't exactly see build-specific bugs 21.39.11 Part billytwowilly ("Konversation terminated!") 21.39.22 # It might in fact be the overlapping cache lines issue. Changing anything (code or data) will change alignment all over 21.39.42 # * amiconn starts to really hate dual core targets 21.41.27 Join m3th0s [0] (n=clemens@pD955D6DD.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.41.32 # they're not my favourites either, no 21.41.39 # but i hate the fact we don't have docs more 21.42.38 Nick m3th0s is now known as MethoS- (n=clemens@pD955D6DD.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.44.13 Join HardDisk_WP [0] (n=Marco@wikipedia/harddisk) 21.44.15 # hi 21.44.29 # does rockbox support the serial on 5.5G ipods? 21.45.33 # HardDisk_WP: nope, not yet.. 21.45.35 # do u mean the ipod port on the bottom? 21.46.01 # why doesn't exist an ebuild for RockboxUtilityQt ? 21.46.50 # MethoS-: because nobody has done one... fell free to step in.. :-) 21.47.42 # i never made one :) 21.48.25 # hmm, maybe I'll try to make one 21.49.17 # MethoS-: if you are successfull.. put it in the wiki.. :-) 21.52.03 # ok 21.52.33 # MethoS-: it shouldn't be much harder than the Wx one I did 21.57.50 # btw, any news on the USB front? GSoC has ended for some time and haven't seen a commit or news about it for a while :\ 21.59.45 Nick parafin|away is now known as parafin (i=parafin@paraf.in) 21.59.59 Nick parafin is now known as parafin|away (i=parafin@paraf.in) 22.02.41 # hmmm.. 22.02.59 # I think there's a bug with the audio interface for the c200.. 22.03.25 # it actually seems to be a decrase in quality from the OF, because it sounds like the amp is being overdriven. 22.03.34 # does anyone know if there's two amps inside the c200? 22.04.03 # XavierGr: austriancoder has a pwm controlled life: short bursts of activity followed by longer periods of silence ;) 22.05.17 # pwm = pulse width modulation? 22.05.25 # mhmm.. 22.05.32 # yup 22.05.33 # :D 22.07.29 # * ender` yawns 22.14.03 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518]") 22.24.49 # does austriancoder work for Austria Micro Systems? :) 22.24.57 # nope 22.25.17 # aw.. I'd like to talk to him if he did. 22.25.31 # but he was one of the guys that visited ams 22.25.37 # oh, cool. 22.25.47 # and he's from austria (like AMS) IIRC 22.26.00 # yes 22.26.19 # ok, not too surprising after his nick ;) 22.26.26 # :) 22.26.33 # Bagder: did you know much about c200 hw specs? or if the PP5022C has a built in audio amp? 22.26.54 # I don't think anyone knows anything in particular about that 22.27.05 # I would guess all the audio stuff is in the as3514 22.27.51 # mm. somehow, the sansa firmware must like overpower that as3514, or rockbox must underpower it, because it clips at low volumes in rockbox. 22.29.08 # you could try asking jhMikeS 22.29.10 # jhMikeS: ping 22.30.13 # at some points, it sounds like the chip would rather commit suicide than play music for me. 22.30.52 # huh? *half asleep* 22.31.01 Quit nicktastic ("Leaving") 22.32.16 # * jhMikeS wants to know why preglow would dare wake him :) 22.34.06 # * jhMikeS *back to nap* 22.34.10 Nick tchan1 is now known as tchan (n=tchan@c-24-13-84-219.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 22.34.28 Quit atsea- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.34.59 # well, that was disturbing 22.35.03 # i can just see him sleeping on the keyboard now 22.35.14 # what is it? 22.35.18 # heh 22.35.28 # someone talking about as3514 clipping in rockbox 22.35.57 # the sansa sure doesn't 22.36.00 # e200 anyway 22.36.07 # c200. 22.36.24 Quit Frazz ("Leaving") 22.36.31 # same chip, innit? 22.36.42 # yes. 22.37.00 # e200 had some problems with that and tinny sound until a comprehensive reset was done after loading rockbox (in system_init). 22.37.10 # hmm. 22.38.09 # it seems there's multiple stages to the amp.. would it be possible that some of them are not enabled? 22.38.48 # which amp? 22.39.00 Join atsea- [0] (i=atsea-@gateway/tor/x-1eb745cf8f726f31) 22.41.10 Quit random_desu (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.42.23 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@c-71-205-0-132.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 22.42.42 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 22.42.49 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.42.53 # * jhMikeS isn't following this amp with multiple stages thing. Only amp should be the AS3514 ouput. Without the big reset, you'll get garbage in and out of the codec. Don't ask me why. I just did exactly what the e200 OF did. 22.47.29 Quit amiconn (Client Quit) 22.51.57 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.52.01 Join RudMan [0] (n=RudMan@ool-182fb504.dyn.optonline.net) 22.53.25 Quit RudMan (Remote closed the connection) 22.54.23 Quit Domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.55.02 # jhMikeS: multiple stages within the as3514. 22.55.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.55.58 # yes there are but it's all set up correctly already 22.56.56 # what's the option in the sansa firmware for high or normal volume do then? 22.57.00 # it makes a difference. 22.58.16 Quit seablue ("life, death, life, death") 22.58.33 # hmmm, must be an addition not in the version I've got. Only thing I know about like that is for line out or something. 22.59.44 Join freqmod [0] (n=freqmod@m072g.studby.ntnu.no) 23.00.28 # but there's no mystery to me about what's in the AS3514 since I do have the datasheet for it. 23.00.36 # in the brochure on the ams site, there are like 6 gain stages which are combined. 23.00.42 # it shows a block diagram. 23.00.53 # like, when it gets to higher volumes, it starts crackling. 23.01.06 # and those higher volumes are nowwhere near what the of could attain. 23.01.36 # that's the summing for different audio sources like mic, line, ADC, etc. 23.01.40 Join low_light [0] (i=c730190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8a0aa41102d0491b) 23.01.48 # hey low_light 23.02.58 # hey 23.03.33 # I recently found that the c200 uses the same dev reset as the e200 23.03.45 # dev reset> 23.03.46 # ? 23.04.00 # low_light: did you enable it for c200 and see if it fixes that stuff? 23.04.09 # so that needs to be enable for the c200...system-pp502x.c line 201 23.04.21 # ooooh, good. 23.04.32 # I haven't had time 23.04.34 # I'll try that now.. I've been having problems with audio playback levels. 23.04.44 # huh? it's practically a 2sec check. :) 23.04.53 # low_light: there's pm for you... 23.05.05 # * low_light has had 2, 18 hr work days in a row 23.05.17 # oh fun... kdesvn goes hanging while doing a commit :( 23.05.19 # ah, ok, i understand. 23.05.21 # ouch 23.05.44 # * jhMikeS would've held off going to sleep 2sec more to test that one out. :) 23.06.02 # * amiconn thinks it's rather weird 23.06.29 # low_light: how would I change that? DEV_RS = 1; ? 23.06.33 # While I do prefer GUI programs in general, this doesn't apply to svn clients... 23.06.40 Join BigBambi [0] (n=alex@86.66.198.24) 23.06.43 Join naurus [0] (i=47271835@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-50217e4b9ddf0c5e) 23.06.56 # maxkelley: no change the define to include the c200 23.07.07 # can anybody tell me where the bootsplash image is located in the daily build? 23.07.12 # ah, ok.. I was just going to ask that because I looked at the rest of the file. 23.07.24 # and saw that there was a seperate sansa_c200 def. 23.08.00 # naurus, compiled in 23.08.09 # maxkelley: line 201...#if defined(SANSA_E200) || defined(SANSA_C200) 23.08.37 # yep, I did it. 23.08.48 # I'm learning C as I go, here :) 23.08.50 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.09.02 # why does C200 need i2c_scale_attn_level if it doesn't have an lcd that needs constant cache flushes? 23.09.07 # krazykit: then how to i change it? 23.09.08 # i2s 23.09.16 # naurus, you'd have to make your own build 23.09.16 # I have better success learning by doing it in a real situation than tutorials, etc. 23.09.17 # jhMikeS: unfortunately the rockbox bootloader won't boot the OF 23.09.28 # so and update takes longer 23.09.58 # and I though waiting for database refresh was annoying :P 23.10.03 # jhMikeS: I have no idea what that is 23.10.10 # low_light: will everything need to be rebuilt for that change? I'll guess yes. 23.10.48 # should only effect rockbox.mi4 23.10.55 # ok. 23.11.56 # anybody got an idea? 23.12.32 # maxkelley: I'll read the logs to see if that fixes the audio 23.12.36 # gtg 23.12.38 Part low_light 23.12.46 # aw, I didn't get to say bye. 23.14.52 # any body have any idea at all? somebody else said it was simple to change 23.15.07 # (the boot loader image) 23.15.21 Join Rincewind [0] (i=06unGuap@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 23.16.12 # naurus, i told you, you have to build your own 23.16.26 # hmmm.. didn't help much. 23.16.29 # building your own IS simple 23.16.37 # thats what i'm doing 23.16.43 # naurus, in apps/bitmaps/native/ 23.16.54 # jhMikeS: what did you say about tinny audio's cause? 23.17.00 # sweet! 23.17.10 # thans krazykit 23.17.26 # can i change the size of that image? or does it have to stay the same 23.17.33 # maxkelly: it was totally dependent on that reset happening to have consistently good audio on e200 23.17.43 # hmm 23.18.16 # yeah, it still crackles. 23.18.43 # It would even read garbage back from the AS3514 without it. 23.18.57 Join elinenbe [0] (n=elinenbe@cpe-68-174-107-47.nyc.res.rr.com) 23.19.15 # is there a way to check from within rockbox (debug section?) if it's enabled? 23.19.17 # that might be clock I2S clocking regs but I wonder why that would have to differ ... hmmm 23.19.30 # naurus, you can, but you have to change some code. i don't recall where it is though. i know it's mentioned in the forums, somewhere. 23.20.55 # maxkelley: what wouldn't be enabled? 23.21.08 # thank you 23.21.09 # the dev reset or whatever. 23.23.01 # if you changed line 201 as directed, it will have been executed. it's over after line 206. 23.23.16 # ah, ok. 23.25.02 # you say the crackling is volume-level related? 23.25.11 # yeah 23.25.41 # it sounds like the amp is clipping almost. 23.25.43 # so lowering the volume in rockbox makes it go away? 23.25.56 # yes 23.26.10 # ok, so it's not an i2s issue it seems 23.26.13 Quit MethoS- (Remote closed the connection) 23.26.23 # krazykit: thank you, i found it 23.26.24 # mkay. 23.26.41 # hey, I got the invite 23.26.55 # (for the gsoc summit thing) 23.28.33 # \o/ 23.28.45 # gmail put it in the spam folder 23.28.59 # and it wasn't sent from a google domain, nor does it mention gsoc or summit 23.29.21 # jhMikeS: there's a preamp stage after the dac which possibly could be easily overdriven.. could be being overdriven before it even gets to the headphone amp? 23.30.18 # hmmm... commandline svn hangs as well :( 23.30.26 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 23.30.45 # last thing it says is "Transmitting file data ......." 23.31.03 Join akaias [0] (n=akaias@c-67-175-173-88.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 23.32.52 # but why would e200 not have the problem then? it does set that as part of the volume setting and there's the AGC block. 23.34.37 # perhaps some register that left as default has another value on c200 that isn't right. I really can't say for sure since I don't own the model. 23.40.01 # Hmm, it seems that the calls to backlight_on(), remote_backlight_on() and button_backlight_on() in backlight.c:backlight_init() are unnecessary 23.40.31 # this c200 issues sounds like one of those jobs that takes alot of cigarrettes to solve 23.40.44 # The settings load will call the setting functions in backlight.c, which will make the backlight light up if it's not disabled in settings 23.41.41 # But if the calls are there, and the bootloader does *not* enable the backlight (which I'll soon commit for the 1st/2nd gen), having the backlight disabled in settings will cause a short backlight flash on boot 23.42.30 # Bagder: they cover more than i would have expected 23.42.31 # that's nice 23.42.40 # indeed 23.42.40 # I want the backlight disabled in the 1st/2nd gen bl because of the backlight inversion effect, which makes it look rather bad in direct sunlight 23.43.05 # 1200USD for travel and paid hotel is quite a lot 23.44.00 # Anyone object f I take the calls out of backlight_init()? (provided that doesn't cause problems on other targets of course - will test) 23.44.33 # amiconn: I don't see why anyone would object to that... 23.45.03 Quit ender` (" Being a Web 2.0 system, the CMS used JavaScript that dynamically loaded JavaScript that dynamically loaded XML that was dyna) 23.45.23 # I can't test on a wheel/buttonlight target though 23.45.29 # amiconn: It might be a good idea to put a comment in explaining how that backlight initing works and IMHO 23.45.32 # -and 23.46.08 # Btw, is there a reason why the buttonlight functions/variables are sometimes called buttonlight_* and sometimes button_backlight_* ? 23.46.36 # The latter sounds awkward to me... 23.47.40 Part n1s 23.47.56 # hmmm commit fails: Can't read from connection: Connection timed out 23.48.33 Join ddalton [0] (n=daniel@203-214-50-20.dyn.iinet.net.au) 23.48.43 # petur: svn clearly hates you 23.48.47 # what is the svn revert command? 23.48.54 # svn revert 23.48.57 # :-) 23.49.06 # svn revert [path] even 23.49.47 # so from my source tree how do I restore my changes. So it is back like the normal copy 23.49.50 # petur: Routing problems to svn.rockbox.org? Wouldn't surprise me... 23.50.09 # well I can update, just not commit :( 23.50.11 # ddalton: "svn revert -R ." I believe recursively reverts all changes 23.50.39 # and I can ping it 23.50.41 # thanks that worked. 23.51.19 # another Q: in the english.lang source file, which entry for "Database" would i change to say "My Music"? the choices are: or 23.51.20 # petur: weird 23.52.15 # it is stuck on the 'transmitting data' for some time and then gives the error msg 23.52.26 # and that _is_ commandline :p 23.52.33 # voice it? 23.52.44 # is that what you want? 23.52.47 # (forgot to add that i want it to say my music on the main menu 23.53.09 # instead of database) 23.53.17 # so to talk or display? 23.53.18 # that 23.53.49 # display 23.53.58 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 23.54.07 # i'm guessing source 23.54.17 # petur: I did not have problems committing about 20 minutes ago... 23.54.24 # * petur threatens svn with a large hammer... 23.54.29 # ok I will write a patch probably quicker. Then you can see what I did 23.54.29 # pixelma: I saw 23.55.30 # * ddalton Compiling! 23.56.04 # hmm, wouldn't the spliteditor also make sense on other targets that can record? 23.56.16 # or does it use a hardware feature? 23.57.22 # jhMikeS: gotta say, the sim really feels snappier now 23.57.59 # still eats quite a bit more cpu than i like, though 23.58.48 # pixelma: it looks worse in small screen format, just to let you know. 23.59.00 # it also slows down gameplay, and makes it really easy.