--- Log for 13.09.107 Server: clarke.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 8 days and 15 hours ago 00.00.17 # yes. 00.01.08 # in xobox, it makes it harder to see the cursor, in chopper, the helicopter becomes slower, and is so small that you could probably go forever without hitting anything. 00.01.16 # ok, I can only trust you - also these kind of changes could easily be done later if desired (by someone els) 00.01.34 # *else 00.02.03 # ok about the music instead of the db thing here is the patch. Hope it works. I haven't tested. 00.02.07 # http://pastebin.ca/raw/694633 00.02.16 # maxkelley: thanks for the feedback 00.02.35 # preglow: actually, on some systems it seems easy to starve the rockbox threads with that SDL_Delay(0) but I think it might be better to use SDL_WaitCondTimeout(c, m, 0) (in case you wanted technical details). :) 00.02.39 # np. 00.02.43 Quit Xerion (" ") 00.03.30 # jhMikeS: On linux, I still observe starvation of the non-rockbox thread(s) (but not as bad as in your first version) 00.04.29 # how does make_menu work? can you call a function with it or what happens. 00.04.45 # ? that should be. 00.04.46 # what do you observe exactly though? what was really happening was starvation of the rockbox threads, not the non-rockbox ones. 00.05.15 # Excessive delay when starting playback until it actually starts playing 00.06.14 # bah... I did a small commit and that worked ok.... 00.07.13 # if nobody objects I'll do file by file commit to find where it goes wrong 00.07.18 Join saratoga [0] (i=98039a28@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-163dc7f592f16b43) 00.07.35 # is it possible to set the mailing list to not show my email address? 00.07.57 # I think that the SDL_Delay(0) still is too much. What I observed before adding the IO thread was that the SDL_Delay(1) every 50 seemed like a kludge to make other stuff work but I think it's probably unwise to keep it at all. 00.09.29 # using the condition object will properly trade the mutex to other threads without a forced yield. 00.11.39 # Taking that out will make things worse... 00.11.42 Join webguest19 [0] (i=4a469c81@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6828ea0957e844ca) 00.12.21 # is there a way to convert my e200r into an e200? I don't really care for rhapsody 00.13.25 # webguest19: yes, see the rhapsody thread in the new ports forum or the sansa install forum 00.13.28 # or maybe that wiki 00.13.31 # its in there somewhere 00.13.54 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 00.13.57 # since the rockbox install procedure basically converts an R to a normal and then puts rockbox on it 00.14.20 # saratoga: regarding the ml: no 00.14.34 # amiconn: i'm not so sure about that. not hard to check it if you want to try a couple different one-liner patches. 00.14.34 Quit webguest19 (Client Quit) 00.14.44 # shouldn't be a big deal, though, i've had my address there for ages and hardly get any spam at all 00.14.51 # been half a year since my last spam 00.15.01 # wow 00.16.53 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 00.16.55 # preglow: was mainly thinking of preventing other people from emailing me at the address, but oh well 00.17.12 Join mschneider [0] (i=42444ee1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b54105d60ee944ba) 00.17.26 # * petur gives up on svn for tonight... working copy must be corrupt :/ 00.17.41 Quit freqmod (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.18.22 Join iamben [0] (n=ben@dpc67142179038.direcpc.com) 00.18.31 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 00.18.35 # preglow: you're seeing a consequence re: CPU usage of the threading techniques used in rockbox which the SIM accurately reflects now. I hardly get CPU usage without peakmeters because threads actually block in the SIM just like on target. 00.19.03 Quit Genre9mp3 () 00.19.04 # my compiler wont build for sansae200 00.19.09 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 00.19.20 # is says arm-elf-gcc doesn't exist 00.19.33 # http://jhmikes.cleansoap.org/thread-sdl_one_last_tweek_1.patch http://jhmikes.cleansoap.org/thread-sdl_one_last_tweek_2.patch 00.19.42 # arrrg...I keep trying to mess with ft_load or ft_enter in filetree.c but everytime i get a data abort. Any ideas? 00.19.53 # naurus: are you using cygwin? 00.20.31 Quit atsea- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.20.48 Join webguest19 [0] (i=4a469c81@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d61f41e3d7b38e86) 00.20.59 # mschneider: yea 00.21.41 # i was just on a moment ago and i asked if there was a way to convert my e200r into a e200. I searched the forums but could not find it. Does anyone have a direct link or something like that.Thanks 00.22.22 # that's a really common error. try this forum topic: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10680.0. 00.22.28 Join Shroom [0] (n=yidojang@adsl-211-247-60.asm.bellsouth.net) 00.22.46 # (that was @naurus) and if that doesnt work for you i would suggest vmware 00.22.56 # naurus: its quite simple, you either dont have arm-elf-gcc or you dont have it in your $PATH 00.22.56 Quit ddalton ("leaving") 00.23.01 # its a lot easier in terms of setting up 00.24.49 # Does anyone know what "undefined instruction at 40003C50" means? 00.26.24 # Shroom: it means rockbox crashed by jumping to that address in memory 00.26.28 # isn't that special getting one in IRAM 00.27.40 # does anyone know where i can find the instructions? 00.29.35 # so about the mailing list, i want to reply to a post thats already on the list 00.29.58 # if i copy the subject, will that work or do I need other information for the list software to properly sort it 00.30.39 # I think it needs another header or else you'll be top posting ;) 00.30.45 # How can I fix that? I have an iPod nano and I just restored it and did a fresh install of rockbox but it can't find any of the music nor play anything. 00.31.54 # aren't nanos misbehaving today or was that last week? (I am being serious) 00.32.08 # i think they've been having trouble for some people for a while now 00.32.52 # someone said they used a pre r14044 (or some revision around there) bootloader. 00.33.06 # it started with 00.33.09 # 13 00.33.20 # i don't think that the bootloader has been updated in the last 6 months 00.33.29 # not since teh COP changes last winter 00.34.34 # The playback bugs started cropping up somewhere after r13990, I believe 00.34.55 # for certain players 00.35.07 # Apparently only a fraction of nanos experience this bug. 00.36.29 # iamben: sorry, i left for a while. i figured that much out, but how do i remedy this? 00.36.53 # naurus: if you already set up the build environment, where is its bin dir? 00.37.06 # ie mine is at /usr/local/rbdev/arm-elf/bin 00.37.12 Quit petur ("Zzzzz") 00.37.20 Join ivan`` [0] (n=ivan`@adsl-71-143-7-140.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) 00.37.53 # i'm not sure, i just set up cygwin with defaults like on the rockbox guide 00.38.27 # is there a way to convert my e200r into a e200? 00.38.45 # iamben:i'm not sure, i just set up cygwin with defaults like on the rockbox guide 00.38.59 # webguest19: you've already asked that a half dozen times 00.39.06 # naurus: does it not have you set your $PATH somewhere? 00.39.11 # i asked twice 00.39.14 # webguest19: I think no since you could do that, rockbox would probably be official on it already. 00.39.28 # isnt the e200r rockboxable now? so who cares if it has the 'r' or not 00.39.30 # okay 00.39.36 # iamben: wait, its in opt\arm\arm-elf\bin 00.39.48 # scratch the "R" off it? :P 00.39.59 # webguest19: 4 times actually, and yes its possible 00.40.01 # BRB 00.40.11 # it is? 00.40.20 # for the 3rd time, yes 00.40.41 # naurus: run this to set it once: "export PATH="${PATH}:/opt/arm/arm-elf/bin" 00.40.44 # i'm trying to figure out how to do it 00.40.50 # webguest19: there is no user-safe way yet. 00.40.52 # jhMikeS: its strange, on cars people pay lots of extra $$ for the "R" 00.40.53 # hmmm...when did it become officially rockboxable? 00.40.54 # we know... 00.41.12 # unless you know what you're doing I really suggest to wait until there is a easy way of installing on the r models 00.41.42 # yeah, but it doesn't seem like it will come out soon 00.41.46 # iamben: I payed extra $$ for a "5.0" on a car but it did come with a V-8 engine for free :) 00.41.50 # jhMikeS: about a week ago 00.42.05 # turns out e200tool could do it anyway, just no one had ever tried 00.42.06 # well, then you simply have to wait. People are working on it. 00.42.40 # webguest19: i bet you could send your e200r + $20 to a dev and they'd send you back a rockboxed e200r 00.42.41 Quit webguest19 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.43.11 # Okay, this will be that last time i ask this but i havent gotten any answer and i just want to know whether or not anyone has any knowlegde of this 00.43.26 # Does anyone know how to modify the file browsing system? 00.43.35 # iamben: sorry, i'll be off and on 00.43.45 # jhMikeS: i snuck a 200hp 2.2L into my 2.2CL in place of its old 145hp 2.2L, i pwn unsuspecting noobs 00.43.47 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.44.38 # naurus: do you need me to repeat anything or do you have it logged? 00.44.50 # iamben: i got it 00.45.04 # saratoga: The Rockbox install procedure just patches the e200r OF bootloader to accept unsigned binaries - it doesn't convert it to an e200. 00.45.04 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.45.15 # iamben: i ran it, and now its giving me a right bracket like it wan'ts some input 00.45.20 Join elinenbe [0] (n=elinenbe@cpe-68-174-107-47.nyc.res.rr.com) 00.45.30 # iamben: brb (again :( ) 00.45.59 # naurus: i forgot the closing " ... sorta 00.46.16 # its just export PATH="${PATH}:/opt/arm/arm-elf/bin" 00.46.44 # iamben: #rockbox is always logged... 00.47.20 # amiconn, were you interested in looking at one of the buggy nanos? 00.47.35 # or was it someone else? 00.48.02 Join RudMan [0] (n=RudMan@ool-182fb504.dyn.optonline.net) 00.48.22 Join eigma [0] (n=cat@CABLE-206-188-76-21.cia.com) 00.48.43 # iamben: that talk belongs in #rockbox-automotive ;) 00.49.26 # do we also have #rockbox-webguest? *g* 00.49.30 # iamben: grrrrr, didn't work 00.49.35 # Chronon: Mhmmm, I would like to see that problem fixed 00.49.49 # iamben: i tried make again, same err 00.50.03 # And since no-one else seems to jump forward, it looks like I will have to do it... :\ 00.50.18 # naurus: until "which arm-elf-gcc" returns a valid path, it will not work... there must still be a problem w/ your PATH 00.50.42 # could the path just be opt? 00.50.45 # I got a message from someone on the forums who said they would lend out their unit for testing. 00.51.03 # He only has one post, though. Hopefully he's still around. 00.51.16 # naurus: your $PATH variable needs to contain the full path where arm-elf-gcc is located 00.51.25 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3700 00.51.38 # His profile says he's in Bucharest 00.51.45 # Chronon: its a scam! oh wait he's sending YOU a player =) 00.51.55 # would i have to specify that i'm trying to change the PATH for arm-... 00.52.06 # Not me. To a developer in EU. 00.52.20 # haha, iamben. 00.52.41 # iamben: would i have to specify that i'm trying to change the PATH for arm-... 00.52.54 Quit mschneider ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 00.53.05 # naurus: did you read step 4 of the cygwin guide @ rockbox.org? 00.53.19 Quit ivan` (Success) 00.53.34 # iamben: hahaha, that would help wouldn't it :P 00.55.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.56.15 # PortalPlayer is so friggin' time-consuming but then there's quite a number of those targets too. 00.57.34 Join sofianbabai [0] (n=sof@gar31-1-82-66-75-34.fbx.proxad.net) 00.58.11 # iamben: hmm, didn't help 00.58.27 # Hello folks could someone give me some explanations or solutions about errors i get when i try to apply a patch 00.59.00 # naurus: when you do "echo $PATH" what does it return? 00.59.14 # hunk failed at #67 00.59.24 # hunk #2 failed at 81 00.59.43 # patch can't locate the position where it should apply the part (hunk) of the patch 00.59.45 # and cygwin tells that 8 of 8 lines have been rejccted 00.59.48 # you need to do that manually 01.00.00 # iamben: nvm, got it, i was sending it the wrong path 01.00.02 # arrrgg how do i do taht ? :) 01.00.03 # sofianbabai: its probably an old patch that hasnt been maintained to apply cleanly to recent rockbox 01.00.10 # * embarrased 01.00.18 # open the source file and diff in a text browser and compare ;) 01.00.34 # iamben: thank you very much 01.01.07 # iamben: you may be right unfortunately :( 01.01.57 # ok! 01.02.07 # later everybody 01.02.19 Quit hcs (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01.03.01 # iamben: before i leave, i'd like to know what to put in my 'profile' file if my PATH is /opt/arm/bin 01.05.13 # iamben: i prolly wont answer, but i'd still like your thoughts on that 01.05.23 # iamben: thanks in advance 01.05.58 Quit obo ("bye") 01.06.06 # naurus: i dont really know, ive never used cygwin 01.06.34 # ok 01.06.39 # iamben: ok 01.07.17 # iamben, also - when i type make install after using make, its tells me there is no rule to make target install 01.07.58 # run "make zip" and itll give you a rockbox.zip just like you'd download 01.08.12 # then you can unzip that to your player just like you normally do 01.11.52 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 01.12.17 # iamben: what kind of installer does make the cygwin configure tool ? 01.16.10 Quit Shroom (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.16.29 # hey, all the cool kids have an "!offtopic".. maybe we should get one 01.18.08 # eigma: what are you referring to? 01.18.49 # for when people have non-Rockbox discussions in here 01.19.01 # * scorche points to the topic... 01.19.28 # iamben: thank you 01.19.52 Quit matsl (Remote closed the connection) 01.20.05 Quit Chronon () 01.20.25 # iamben, oh yea, i was getting confused by make install from the sim build 01.20.27 # bye 01.20.29 Quit naurus ("CGI:IRC") 01.22.30 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 01.24.18 Quit eigma () 01.25.54 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.26.00 # hmm is there a way to tell the patch tool to detect automatically the files needed to be patched? i mean recursively ? some kind of switch to add to the command line ? 01.26.29 Join elinenbe [0] (n=elinenbe@cpe-68-174-107-47.nyc.res.rr.com) 01.26.41 # sofianbabai, what do you mean? patch does what i think you're saying anyway 01.27.40 # i mean here, when i run patch < patchname.diff , it patches but alwas asks for the other files to patch, in other directories 01.28.10 Join atsea- [0] (i=atsea-@gateway/tor/x-c7967452cd2024da) 01.28.16 # if it's just something off the tracker, try patch -p0 < patchname.diff 01.28.27 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 01.30.02 # crazykit: hmm it doesn't work it asks for others files to patch in others subdirs 01.30.26 # and true, i've read on the wiki that it must detect the change to do by itself 01.31.18 # what patch are you applying? 01.32.16 # crazykit: fs7563 01.33.11 # welcome to the command line world :-) 01.33.27 # my nick starts with a k. "crazykit" doesn't hilight me ;) 01.34.19 # arrg this irc client is awfull lol 01.34.21 # sory 01.34.38 # sofianbabai, use patch -p1 01.34.48 # ha? 01.34.58 # patch -p1 < patchfile.diff? 01.35.08 # what does it mean (just not to go to bed stupid :) 01.35.20 # -p is the strip option 01.35.26 # man patch explains it better than i can 01.36.55 Join elinenbe_ [0] (n=elinenbe@cpe-68-174-107-47.nyc.res.rr.com) 01.37.04 Join BertAndErnie [0] (i=18eddffa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-252afbc2fe4645c2) 01.37.18 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.37.18 Nick elinenbe_ is now known as elinenbe (n=elinenbe@cpe-68-174-107-47.nyc.res.rr.com) 01.37.29 # Hey everyone. 01.37.46 # crazykit: you rock man it's works. dunno how the hell it does but it does :) 01.38.35 # BertAndErnie: hello David 01.38.47 # sofianbabai, it has to do with the filenames. if a patch fails to apply, try -p0 through -p3 to see if it works like that 01.38.50 # think i'm gonna have some good linux reading :) 01.38.51 # how did you know!? 01.38.58 # IP? 01.38.59 # that isnt the point 01.39.00 # yes 01.39.54 # now, gonna see if this work after compiling lol . cygwin is full of surprise. :) 01.40.02 # sofianbabai, yes, have fun with that 01.40.28 # crazykit: htank you very much for helping newbies like me :) 01.40.48 # sofianbabai, no prob. once you figure out patching and such, it gets much easier 01.40.54 # Is there an alternative to a compiler, say, for Ubuntu? 01.41.00 # sure your right :) 01.41.13 # not sure what you are asking.. 01.41.14 # but i'm coming from the windows world :) 01.41.21 # everything is new :) 01.41.28 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 01.41.34 # I like linux better than windows. 01.41.45 Nick ivan`` is now known as ivan` (n=ivan`@adsl-71-143-7-140.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) 01.41.56 # alright...i still dont get your question 01.42.10 # BertAndErnie: is it true that they run linux on sesame street? 01.42.21 # iamben: please stay on topic... 01.42.21 # They can't afford windows. 01.42.22 # bertandernie: hmm i like windows beter than linux cuz... i do'nt know linux :) 01.42.35 # * scorche facepalms 01.43.00 # scorche: just because my comment was ridiculous doesnt make it any further off topic than everyone else 01.43.03 # =) 01.43.03 # and i'm visually impaired , it's easier to work with windows unfortunately 01.43.07 # BertAndErnie, you just use gcc 01.43.23 # GCC? What does that mean? 01.43.35 # Grand C++ Compiler? 01.43.43 # gnu c compiler 01.43.49 # BertAndErnie: are you asking about getting the compilers installed on linux? 01.44.12 # Unless there's ones for windows... 01.44.16 Join kkurbjun [0] (n=kkurbjun@c-67-166-49-171.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 01.44.47 # there is cygwin, vmware, and colinux that will all emulate/virtualize a linux environment on windows for you 01.45.23 # But I already have Ubuntu dualbooting with windows. 01.45.42 # Along with Mac OS X, all three on one laptop :) 01.45.52 # well, if you are going to use ubuntu, then you need to install the crosscompilers....if you are going to use windows, you need to use one of the above 01.46.01 # Bert 01.46.17 # BertAndErnie: Ok sudo apt-get install build-essential 01.46.26 # then fetch the source 01.46.31 # cd into tools 01.46.37 # sudo lets me be admin? 01.46.38 # ./rockboxdev.sh 01.46.41 # yes 01.46.49 # BigMac: he hasnt even got to that point...dont get ahead of things... 01.46.57 # scorche: Where is he? 01.47.20 Quit BertAndErnie ("CGI:IRC") 01.47.21 # He said he needs the compilers I thought 01.47.52 # deciding whether to use windows or linux at the moment from what i can tell...plus, it is better to have him read the documentation instead as it is more explicit and complete 01.48.06 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.48.37 Quit miepchen^schlaf ("Verlassend") 01.49.42 # scorche: Oh, was just trying to help him out 01.50.39 # if you jump ahead, you could be confusing instead of helping ;) 01.51.36 Join HubertCumberdale [0] (i=18eddffa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0edcbcd93e4f769d) 01.52.11 # I just booted to linux. What do I sudo again? 01.52.35 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler 01.52.54 # Ok. 01.53.12 # Oh, I have to build it? 01.53.35 # yes 01.53.53 # well, lets simplify that a bit...first, get eh source from svn by typing svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox 01.55.03 Join eadmund [0] (n=ruhl@66.7.168.156) 01.55.12 # Linux/Ubuntu seems more like a programming enviorment, rather than windows. 01.55.30 # Ok, I downloaded what I need. 01.55.49 # well, cygwin emulates a linux environment, and vmware is essentially running linux inside of windows 01.55.50 # does anyone know how to create 16-bit BMPs on linux? i've crawled through the wiki, googled, read the manual and am either looking right over it or can't find it 01.56.18 # Why, just use jpeg instead 01.56.24 # the nice thing about vmware is that the image is already set up and you just have to download it and run it 01.56.37 # eadmund, the GIMP doesn't do it? 01.56.40 # HubertCumberdale: because he has to use BMP... 01.56.47 # gigabeat requires 240x320x16 bmp, at least according to the manual 01.56.56 # krazykit, nope 01.57.10 # i've never had a problem making BMPs in the GIMP 01.57.10 # eadmund: Are you designing a theme? 01.57.29 # amiconn: i'm trying to create a backdrop. eventually might go all the way to a theme, dunno 01.57.47 # You can use 240x320x24 BMP as well, it just takes more space on disk 01.58.01 # Rockbox' BMP loader will convert it on load 01.58.03 # really? manual didn't say that. convert -depth 24 okay? 01.58.25 # If your backdrop uses only a few colours, you can also use 8bit BMP 01.59.48 # The rockbox BMP loader supports all standard depths: 1, 4, 8, 15, 16, 24 and 32 bit. Just the resolution has to match the target for backdrops to work 01.59.58 # I have my source files. Now, how do I compile it? 02.00.07 # sweet! the docs were just wrong. i can deal with that:-) 02.00.21 # HubertCumberdale: type "sudo apt-get install build-essential" 02.00.37 # All these source codes, and source codes to the tools to compile source codes, and no true compiler. 02.00.49 # ...huh? 02.00.53 # thx guys. now back to hacking this. rockbox, well, rocks 02.01.01 # it's going! 02.01.08 Part eadmund 02.01.30 # what are you talking about with a "true compiler"?....you have to get the compilers 02.02.13 # Well I'm new to COMPILING codes. I'm used to the usual C++ windows executables. And fortran code. 02.02.30 # how can I know the revision of a particular file in the source? 02.02.59 # Ok, the apt-get install build-essential has finished. 02.03.21 # now navidate to rockbox/tools 02.03.26 # navigate 02.03.47 # configure file? 02.03.59 # did i say that? 02.04.03 # no.... 02.04.08 # then no =) 02.04.09 # I'm there. 02.04.25 # "sudo ./rockboxdev.sh 02.05.08 # hmm, select target.... 02.05.18 Part pixelma 02.05.19 # all 02.05.29 # arm-elf? 02.05.31 # all, ok 02.05.46 # what's it doing!!?!?! 02.05.59 # building the crosscompilers 02.06.42 # COOL 02.07.46 # So, I can change the code, possibly fix bugs? 02.07.55 # And add features? 02.07.58 # yes 02.08.09 # this will enable you to compile 02.08.20 # you could do all that before, you just couldnt compile the code 02.08.29 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 02.08.31 # This, I guess, is how developers are made :) 02.08.54 # It's still working on it.... 02.09.01 # it will be for a while 02.09.07 # since you told it to do all the targets, you're in for a wait 02.09.16 Join actionshrimp [0] (n=nn@86.158.13.55) 02.09.31 # go make some tea or a sandwich or something 02.09.50 # What was rockbox originally made on, just wondering. Commodore 64? 02.10.04 # you're joking, right? 02.10.07 # rockbox came about in 2001 02.10.11 # so much later... 02.11.57 # Is there any way, if you decide to return your player, to make it so they don't know you modified it? Do they check it? 02.12.22 # you simply uninstall rockbox 02.12.43 # i very very much doubt they will check the bootloader as long as the device still functions 02.13.07 # me again.are there anywhere some guidelines on how to creat/modify a patch. important strings etc? 02.13.41 # Wow....this is a long process. 02.13.58 # as we said, it will take a bit 02.14.09 # Looking at the source code, it's similar to C. 02.14.18 # it IS c 02.14.19 # source code of what? 02.15.48 # So, in the end, I get rockbox, able to work on my player? 02.16.01 # sorry for the extra comma... 02.16.12 # in the end of what? 02.16.20 # all the compiling. 02.16.30 # compiling just gives you a binary 02.16.59 # what do you do with the binary? 02.17.15 # the binary is the same thing you download from the site 02.17.38 # So, its basically rockbox.mi4? 02.18.08 # after you compile, and assemble into a .zip, it is the same thing that you download from the site 02.18.26 # so it's compiling all the plugins too? 02.18.38 # plugins are compiled along witht he code 02.18.49 Join Chronon [0] (i=Chronon@d23-104.uoregon.edu) 02.19.12 # so there's no making separate plugins to add to rockbox.... 02.19.37 # you cannot compile a single plugin without compiling the rockbox code 02.19.44 # they are all plugged in by default 02.20.30 # i'll wait before asking any more questions....probably wasting your time.... 02.21.15 # if you want something to do while you wait, read through http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers 02.21.42 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 02.22.57 # so, as I read through the wiki, it seems apt-get is used for other things too. 02.23.11 Join grndslm [0] (n=grndslm@24-116-87-97.cpe.cableone.net) 02.23.13 Join grndslm_ [0] (n=grndslm@24-116-87-97.cpe.cableone.net) 02.23.25 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apt-get 02.23.59 Quit grndslm_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.24.23 # The compiler is looping through the same thing a few times, is this making it for the different devices? 02.24.34 Quit Chronon ("Work --> home") 02.25.20 Join hab [0] (i=58a10615@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-06c591bdf4ea4403) 02.25.57 # Hmm.. This is making everything that deals with rockbox, even the sansa patcher! 02.26.04 # no it isnt 02.26.19 # nevermind, those are separate... 02.26.49 Part toffe82 02.26.54 # Hi all, have you ever heard about "binaural beats" ? 02.27.13 # hab, yeah, it's an interesting concept 02.27.49 # for those who dont : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binaural_beats 02.28.02 # but are you going to somehow relate this to rockbox? 02.28.11 # patience :) 02.28.18 # yes maybe 02.28.27 # h-how? 02.28.38 # maybe a sbagen interpreter plugin? 02.28.52 # y-ya 02.29.17 # what is sbagen. as in sba generator? 02.29.33 # just saw that sbagen 1.0 is 16K 02.29.44 # HubertCumberdale, have you ever heard of this thing called google? it's really cool, it lets you search for things. 02.29.51 # http://uazu.net/sbagen/ 02.30.23 # I don't like google. It seems the same as any other search engine. Done with the cross compiling. 02.30.36 # HubertCumberdale: alright...you can compile now 02.30.59 # It's tellng me to make my path include " " 02.31.04 # then do that 02.31.28 # so, use cd "path" 02.31.33 # 16K fot Linux source, so i wondered if it would be possible to do a port for Rockbox as the gb emulator seems to be done 02.31.36 # no 02.31.47 # (that no was to HubertCumberdale) 02.31.47 # how do I make it include? 02.32.02 # HubertCumberdale: remember that google thing we just talked about? 02.32.05 # hab, possible, probably. all it needs is a sufficiently motivated coder to start working on it 02.33.05 # where's the product of the cross compiling? 02.33.19 # binaries that work on processors other than the host 02.33.23 # note that i dont ask you to do it, i want to know if it can be done 02.33.32 # so is it no or probably ? 02.33.50 # hab, well, that depends. if it's written in C, that helps a bit. 02.34.19 # How do I compile now? 02.34.31 # It's all done. 02.34.44 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling 02.35.52 # krazykit: i have a night to investigate :) oO theres a ARM version :) 02.36.19 # that's a good sign :D 02.37.36 # I have an e200r. Choose that, or e200? 02.38.14 # I'll do the e200. 02.38.45 # Na, I'll just do the R. 02.39.24 # Should I build normal, advanced, bootloader? 02.39.40 # normal, most likely. 02.40.11 # that'll build you the same thing you download from the Current build page. it's rockbox + the plugins and such 02.41.08 # it had an error. 02.41.44 # that sure didn't take long. for what it's worth, e200r uses the same build as e200. 02.41.50 # ../tools/configure: 1548: arm-elf-gcc: not found../tools/configure: 1552: arm-elf-ld: not found 02.42.05 # you didn't fix your path, then 02.42.12 # krazykit: its written in C with both GPL and BSD licences 02.42.25 # after you change your path like the instructions said, you have to log out and back in 02.43.14 # I made the build folder... 02.43.46 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.43.56 # Log out, as in restarting terminal? 02.44.04 # HubertCumberdale, are you even reading what i said? 1. if you did NOT change your PATH like the instructions said, do that now. 2. after doing that, log out then log back in 02.44.20 # no, log out as in "click log out in gnome and log back in", assuming you're using ubuntu 02.44.28 Join elinenbe [0] (n=elinenbe@cpe-68-174-107-47.nyc.res.rr.com) 02.45.10 Quit HubertCumberdale ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.45.29 Join DavidGWRawson [0] (i=18eddffa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d226e336463bd3da) 02.46.05 # Ok, logged out and back in... 02.46.19 # echo $PATH 02.46.29 # that'll tell you if you changed it properly 02.47.09 # echo in DOS? 02.47.29 # are you in ubuntu right now? 02.47.41 # it says things 02.48.07 # that's a pretty useless statement. does it have "arm-elf" anywhere in there? 02.48.15 # no 02.48.29 # then you didn't edit your PATH properly. read the instructions again. 02.48.44 # will I have to do it again? 02.48.56 # not the whole install, just editing your PATH 02.49.27 # Did he tried the vmware "all done" image for rockbox compiling ? worked pretty well for me 02.49.43 # it's ubuntu, not windows. 02.50.15 # DavidGWRawson, then you're in the shell, not DOS. 02.50.41 # I meant terminal. 02.50.46 # ok. 02.51.02 # before you can do anything else, fix your PATH like the instructions say 02.52.13 # Im using the instructions on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling 02.52.37 # you're not done setting up your build environment yet 02.52.53 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment#Step_4_Add_the_cross_compiler_di 02.52.56 # read that 02.54.31 # "Using VMware is not only simpler, compiling is a lot faster than using cygwin." in http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform 02.55.01 # well, he's got the build env. mostly done in ubuntu, may as well go all the way 02.55.01 Quit DavidGWRawson ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.55.22 Join DavidGWRawson [0] (i=18eddffa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c7e3bcfa252a9844) 02.55.35 # Changed path, now retrying compile. 02.55.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.56.26 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.58.25 # Is Rockbox "Posix-compliant" as noted in sbagen.c ? 02.58.34 # It's....working! 02.58.41 Join elinenbe [0] (n=elinenbe@cpe-68-174-107-47.nyc.res.rr.com) 02.58.43 # yepeee 02.58.45 # hab, i don't believe so. 02.58.54 # oh...another error. 02.59.10 # what's this one? 02.59.32 # it seems it's in the code 02.59.36 # menus/main_menu.c: In function ‘show_info’: 02.59.55 # menus/main_menu.c:201: error: ‘LANG_DISK_NAME_MMC’ undeclared (first use in this function) 02.59.56 Quit goffa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.59.58 Quit Rincewind ("Cya") 03.00.49 # DavidGWRawson, don't make a Normal build with e200r. do it for e200. 03.02.06 # what's the linux delete command? 03.02.12 # rm 03.03.38 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-70-137-199-98.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) 03.03.41 Quit RudMan (Remote closed the connection) 03.04.40 Join blithen [0] (n=blithen@c-67-185-177-112.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 03.04.43 # it seems like it's working now 03.05.09 # My computer is such a mess :( 03.05.18 # I can't really find a good description on what RockBox IS. 03.05.31 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox 03.05.36 # linked to on the front page 03.06.18 # Thanks. 03.06.24 # it's done 03.06.45 # * jhMikeS sees the answer before him in a trancendental form 03.07.05 # WOW! 03.07.13 # RockBox is AMAZING! 03.07.13 # DavidGWRawson, now do make zip, and it'll make a zip file just like from the website 03.07.23 # there are a bunch of archive files in my build directory 03.07.36 # like libwavpack.a 03.07.49 # don't touch those. just do "make zip" 03.07.55 # well, rockbox "IS" -- after all 03.07.56 # Doesn't run on my iPod though. D: 03.08.35 # That's very saddening. 03.08.36 # It made a rockbox.zip 03.08.44 # Did I compile? 03.08.51 # DavidGWRawson, yep, congratulations :D 03.09.01 # Yay :) 03.09.53 # Can I make the bootloaders too? 03.09.59 # Anyone know why it doesn't run on the 2nd Gen iPod nano? 03.10.18 # blithen: because no one has ported it 03.10.30 # DavidGWRawson, you can, but i really don't recommend it. there's a reason that bootloaders are periodically released. 03.10.51 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6518.0 is the previous discussion on it 03.11.02 # so this is just best to use the most recent bootloader 03.11.35 # right. i wouldn't mess with the bootloader at all. 03.12.04 # could I end up bricking and then have to fix it? 03.12.25 # you'd have to go through the recovery procedure, yes. 03.12.49 Quit blithen ("Leaving") 03.14.35 Quit tictoc (Remote closed the connection) 03.15.46 Join tictoc [0] (i=tabac@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xB9002659) 03.16.31 Quit Rob2222 () 03.18.14 Quit hab ("CGI:IRC") 03.18.58 # Thanks to you, I can now maybe help out with rockbox development. Right? 03.20.18 # assuming you're proficient with C, yeah 03.22.31 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B155D6.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.29.21 # Would (I)nstaller be sansapatcher? 03.31.52 # i believe so, but there's no need to build that yourself 03.34.08 Join eigma [0] (n=cat@CABLE-206-188-76-21.cia.com) 03.34.16 Join blithen [0] (n=blithen@c-67-185-177-112.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 03.34.52 # One more quick question, is anyone working on the port to 2nd gen iPods? 03.35.10 # Nanos* 03.35.26 # not currently, i don't think 03.35.39 # Awww. 03.36.12 # Hmmm. interesting. all display images/words are based on bitmaps... 03.36.17 # I would start working on it. But unfortunately I near no programming skills. 03.36.28 # I have( 03.36.30 # * 03.37.06 Quit blithen (Client Quit) 03.39.09 # I'm going to edit the splash screen to see if anything happens.... 03.39.43 # you need to compile bootloader for any changes to happen. 03.40.10 # and yes, it's all bitmaps, which are then converted to C source files when it's compile. 03.41.16 # Could I, with the source codes, create a rockbox port of another application? 03.42.01 # example? 03.42.03 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.42.19 # a simple tetris game for dos 03.42.39 # rockbox already has testris 03.42.44 # tetris.. 03.42.57 # cash invaders? 03.43.13 # whatever you like 03.43.14 # duke nukem, heretic, hexen.... 03.43.16 # you can port anything you like, but it may not be easy 03.43.46 # Er....mdk2? 03.44.14 # read what scorche said one more time. 03.44.15 # Would I have to modify the code for it to work? 03.44.30 # that isnt obvious? 03.44.30 # of /course/ you'll have to modify the code 03.44.34 # absolutely. 03.44.49 # what are you expecting?...just drop it in the rockbox folder and have it magically work? 03.45.11 # Just leaving the basic functions of the game, such as how it totals scores, etc. 03.45.34 # what are you expecting?...just drop it in the rockbox folder and have it magically work? 03.45.56 # no..ill just work on it.... 03.46.32 Quit hcs ("Leaving.") 03.46.37 # DavidGWRawson: in my opinion, porting something is not a good way to learn to program 03.47.29 # Expirimentation. C reference guides? 03.47.55 # DavidGWRawson: #c? 03.47.58 # if you dont know C, you really shouldnt be starting off with porting something... 03.48.17 # scorche: oops :) 03.48.17 # is it #c, or c? 03.48.28 # they're talking about the channel @c 03.48.32 # er, #c. 03.48.39 # now I've really confused you :) 03.49.04 # They are pretty much alike. 03.49.23 # no, the IRC channel #c 03.49.33 # there is no such language as #C 03.49.41 # David, type "/join #c" and ask for help learning C 03.49.48 # there's c# 03.49.49 # Okay, now testing a build of rockbox on my player. 03.49.57 Join Soap [0] (n=Soap@h69.100.29.71.ip.alltel.net) 03.49.58 # there is C#, but they are much less alike than you likely think 03.50.16 # scorche: I was a bit disappointed by that 03.50.19 # c# ~ java == blech. 03.50.27 # offtopic... 03.50.39 # well, c is offtopic. 03.50.56 # topic is rockbox !== c 03.51.33 # Hmmm. a java port.... 03.51.50 # ?!? 03.51.51 # DavidGWRawson, don't get ahead of yourself. 03.52.20 # heh, I was thinking the same thing :) 03.52.55 # Hyahhh! I did it! I modded rockbox! The USB image now has the words F*** on it! 03.53.05 # Just for fun. 03.53.14 # you dont need to tell us everything you do 03.53.31 # sorry. I'll tell you something if it's worth it... 03.54.34 # can I add patches and compile them with rockbox? 03.54.56 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 03.55.02 # as i have said before, read through http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers 03.57.12 # could someone take another look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7752 ? 03.57.42 Quit kclaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.01.01 # how do you delete directories 04.01.12 # in rockbox? 04.01.19 # in linux 04.01.31 # DavidGWRawson: third time....use google to your benefit 04.01.51 # #C 04.01.54 # this is not a linux help channel 04.02.03 # and that is not a C issue 04.02.03 # how do I switch to the C channel? 04.02.11 # you cant using out webclient 04.02.14 # [21:49] David, type "/join #c" 04.02.15 # our 04.02.18 # /join #c 04.02.22 # he cant 04.02.33 # he's using the web-irc client 04.02.39 # i cant 04.03.02 Quit DavidGWRawson ("CGI:IRC") 04.03.08 Join DavidGWRawson [0] (i=18eddffa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2e818fc4354d759e) 04.05.08 # eigma: the c200 sim works for me.. 04.05.59 # DavidGWRawson: use http://irc.netsplit.de/webchat/?net=freenode if you can; it allows you to join any channel 04.06.15 # there is also java.freenode.net 04.08.07 Quit DavidGWRawson ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 04.09.49 # anyone have c200 pinouts? 04.16.10 Join DavidGWRawson [0] (i=18eddffa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b749646cbff55b50) 04.16.41 # any committers: could you also look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7765 04.17.39 # if there is no patch, why put it in patches? 04.17.57 # sorry, I meant to attach one 04.18.25 # fixed. 04.21.08 Quit DavidGWRawson ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 04.29.14 Quit darkless ("Leaving") 04.29.30 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 04.36.19 Quit atsea- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.49.40 Join atsea- [0] (i=atsea-@gateway/tor/x-22149cbd101835c1) 04.52.50 Quit kkurbjun (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.54.35 Join kkurbju1 [0] (n=kkurbjun@c-67-166-49-171.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 04.54.54 Nick kkurbju1 is now known as kkurbjun (n=kkurbjun@c-67-166-49-171.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 04.55.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.04.01 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 05.08.03 Join sarixe [0] (n=sarixe@ool-435403e9.dyn.optonline.net) 05.09.25 Join RudMan [0] (n=RudMan@ool-182fb504.dyn.optonline.net) 05.10.38 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@bas3-montreal28-1279372579.dsl.bell.ca) 05.10.50 Join naurus [0] (i=47271835@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3ee33dced1829754) 05.11.04 # iamben: wow, you're still on 05.11.20 # iamben, i have another problem *guhh* 05.11.37 # maddler, ping 05.12.15 # i was going to start watching tv to put me to sleep, but i seem to have broken mythtv will all of my screwing around today 05.12.47 Join goffa_ [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 05.13.14 # iamben, i keep getting a "usb_detect" error when i try to compile the source code. all i did when i change from my version 0.3 (which worked fine) to 0.4 is change the english.lang file the say "see ya later" instead of "shutting down" 05.13.42 # lol, i've done that with things other than tv's 05.14.15 # * scorche coughs 05.15.44 # naurus: no idea on that one 05.15.59 Quit bb (Nick collision from services.) 05.16.04 Join bb_ [0] (n=bb@unaffiliated/bb) 05.18.44 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.20.14 Quit sofianbabai () 05.21.39 Quit tictoc (Remote closed the connection) 05.23.16 Join Chronon [0] (i=Chronon@c-24-20-119-115.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 05.23.30 Join tictoc [0] (i=tabac@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xB9002659) 05.23.34 Join Travis__ [0] (n=chatzill@71-217-145-117.hlna.qwest.net) 05.24.07 Quit goffa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.24.26 # iamben, darn 05.25.02 # how can i do the "* scorche coughs" thing? 05.25.10 # i'm not an irc wiz 05.25.32 # /me 05.27.50 Quit Llorean (Remote closed the connection) 05.28.07 # thank you 05.28.08 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@cpe-70-113-103-34.austin.res.rr.com) 05.28.45 # * naurus wonders in anybody knows why my compiler is giving me a sub_detect error! 05.29.35 Join scorche|ltop [0] (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 05.30.25 Join sof [0] (n=sof@gar31-1-82-66-75-34.fbx.proxad.net) 05.32.36 Quit sof (Remote closed the connection) 05.32.43 # i didn't change the file that it's complaining about at all 05.33.20 # er, I'm looking through the chip8 plugin, the license doesn't look very GPL to me... 05.33.57 # there's the same sort of header as everything else, but below there are "no commercial use" notices 05.34.16 # rockbox isn't commercial ;) 05.34.31 # still, that's incompatible with the gpl 05.34.36 # no commercial makes it...yeah 05.39.01 # hmmm, seems to be working now *puzzled* 05.39.11 Join Myphton [0] (i=484bf0d8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-fee9772a9e14a3c4) 05.39.52 # hey is there anyone here that can help me install rockbox on my iPod mini? 05.40.25 # Myphton, i'm inexperienced, but i may be able to 05.41.00 # first or second gen? 05.41.01 # im completely new lol, better than nothing 05.41.08 # 2nd 05.41.34 # Myphton: what issue are you having? 05.41.48 # ok, download this file: http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-ipodmini2g/rockbox.zip 05.42.02 # the problem is that i extract all the files and fonts to the correct directories, but when i run the ipodpatch.exe, it doesnt detect that its on my computer 05.42.28 # no ipod found 05.42.30 # is it in My Computer? 05.42.30 # hmm, i wouldn't be able to help you with that 05.42.41 # are you on firewire or usb? 05.42.45 # yes 05.42.50 # usb 05.43.08 Join DavidGWRawson [0] (i=18eddffa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-90e0d8d05c8241bd) 05.43.14 # are there any options in the ipodpathch.exe? 05.43.15 # Hello again. 05.43.16 # i have disk use enabled 05.43.34 # no, no options other than to strike enter to exit 05.43.54 # iamben: it worked, must've been a cygwin bug 05.44.03 # huh 05.44.05 # Myphton: did you format your device or anything? 05.44.15 # Hey DavidGWRawson 05.44.39 # Myphton, when you connect your ipod, does it come up as a drive when you go into my computer? 05.44.41 # no, there is still songs on it, all the necessary software to run it from factory, i havent tampered with any of the files 05.44.49 # if so, what letter? 05.44.52 # yes, it comes up as the K:/ 05.44.57 # K: 05.44.59 # I'm working on an easier way to install rockbox. But, I am a little embarassed about this. How do you rename in linux =x 05.45.26 # DavidGWRawson, the easier way is to use rbutilqt, or wait til the e200r method is made simpler. 05.45.30 # DavidGWRawson: fourth time....GOOGLE...this is not a linux help channel 05.45.38 # David: i think you have to use the copy command, but i'm not sure 05.45.44 # naurus: no 05.46.04 # Myphton: so where does it say no ipod found? 05.46.04 # naurus, DavidGWRawson: mv , a rename is just a move (or rather vice versa) 05.46.09 Quit tictoc (Remote closed the connection) 05.46.17 # I cant get to the linux channel. The choice thing is locked. 05.46.20 # DavidGWRawson, there are tons of articles about getting into the linux command line. i suggest actually doing a little work and hitting google. 05.46.27 # scorche: ipodpatch.exe 05.46.41 # DavidGWRawson, if you have question with linux just google it 05.46.45 # OK!!! I'll use goolgle!! 05.46.50 # good! 05.46.57 # DavidGWRawson: you have been told this before...you cant join other channels with our webclient...not being able to join other channels is not an excuse to violate our guidelines 05.46.59 # do you know what usb mode it is in? 05.47.07 Join tictoc [0] (i=tabac@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xB9002659) 05.47.16 # i don't have an ipod, so i'm prolly more hurt than help :P 05.47.26 # naurus: likely... 05.47.43 # lol, naurus, im unable to say other than it has disk mode enabled 05.47.54 # Myphton: have you tried rbutil? 05.48.27 # no scorche, what is it 05.48.59 # * naurus thanks everybody who helped him with his first build, it worked! 05.49.18 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtilityQt 05.49.24 # notibly iamben 05.52.12 # Ok, a good question. Why does rockbox drain so much battery? 05.52.23 # cause its that freakin sweet 05.52.30 # yes, very good, i was wondering that too 05.52.34 # Uses more CPU power? 05.52.39 # because many parts of the PP chip are unknown 05.52.55 # i think cause of its features it has within itself 05.52.59 # thats my guess 05.53.12 # there isnt any guessing about it...i just said it 05.53.40 # well atleast it beats the crap outta the regular sansa firmware 05.53.40 # So it uses things it does'nt need to use? 05.53.52 # it shouldnt drain too much..i believe it should be around 1/2 to 3/4 of the OF's battery life on PP502x devices 05.54.03 # Except usb support. 05.54.13 # well, we dont know how to control many things in the P chip 05.54.41 # Well, with the OF, it lasts 20 hrs, but with rockbox, it lasts 4 hrs!!! 05.54.49 # Basically, the Apple firmware can tell bits of hardware "Stop using power until I need you again", but because we don't have enough information, a lot of times we can't, or we don't know if we're telling them the best way to stop. 05.54.49 Quit naurus ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 05.54.50 # how did you measure? 05.54.56 # that should be wrong 05.55.14 # hey scorche, how do i use rbutil 05.55.23 # The rockbox info, and what the sansa package said. 05.55.24 # Myphton: download it and run it 05.55.39 # as you have been told many times, the information is wrong 05.55.43 # Just do the install manually. It's more fun :) 05.55.49 # perform a full test and see for yourself 05.56.05 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@24-119-114-203.cpe.cableone.net) 05.56.22 # are you still scorche? your name seems different 05.56.38 Join RCMOnE [0] (n=RCMOnE@adsl-67-126-198-141.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net) 05.56.38 # an imposteror 05.56.59 # because i am on my laptop....if you are ever wondering who someone is, /whois them....you will see i still have my rockbox/administrator/scorche cloak 05.57.18 # i keep getting an error "Mount Point Is Wrong" 05.57.37 # laptop scorchetop, funny. 05.57.39 # i will only have that cloak if i have identified to nickserv with my password 05.59.09 # I like how with sansapatcher, it puts the OF in the boot partition, rather than the usual SYSTEM folder. 05.59.25 Part RCMOnE ("Leaving") 05.59.34 # Can I format my sansa with sansa.fmt? 06.00.31 Join RCMOnE [0] (n=RCMOnE@adsl-67-126-198-141.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net) 06.01.15 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.01.52 # hey, even with the rbutil, i still get the error that my ipod can not be detected 06.02.05 # Hmmmmmmmmm. Sansapatcher uninstalled my bootloader and now, it runs only OF! 06.03.22 # DavidGWRawson, i bet it's because you told sansapatcher to do that. 06.03.43 # DavidGWRawson, and IRC is not your blog. we don't need to hear about every little thing you do with your sansa. 06.04.40 # What's a blog? I keep hearing about those things. 06.05.11 # just. fucking. google it. 06.05.26 # cs op #rockbox 06.05.39 # I like....your cat picture..... 06.05.52 Mode "#rockbox +o scorche|ltop " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 06.05.53 Mode "#rockbox +b %DavidGWRawson!*@* " by scorche|ltop (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 06.06.26 # you are muted for 10 minutes...during that time, you might find it prudent to re-read the guidelines and make sure that you do not violate them again 06.07.04 Quit DavidGWRawson (Client Quit) 06.09.07 Quit sarixe ("Peace") 06.09.53 Quit scorche|ltop (Nick collision from services.) 06.10.52 Part RCMOnE ("Leaving") 06.14.33 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@bas3-montreal28-1279372579.dsl.bell.ca) 06.19.07 Quit tictoc (Remote closed the connection) 06.21.24 # hey 06.21.32 # i got a question 06.21.40 # ok 06.21.41 Mode "#rockbox +o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 06.21.56 Mode "#rockbox -b %DavidGWRawson!*@* " by scorche (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 06.22.01 # everything installs on my ipod mini and is extracted 100% 06.22.03 Mode "#rockbox -o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 06.22.20 # but when i try to install the bootloader, it can not detect my ipod 06.22.43 # is there a way i can install it manually? 06.23.32 # btw, i was using rbutil 06.24.07 # * chrisjs169 doesn't have an ipod =/ 06.27.08 Join atsea-101 [0] (i=atsea-@gateway/tor/x-7b02d63848a00d12) 06.31.24 Quit atsea- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.33.20 # i keep getting error =( 06.33.29 Join SofRaZorbacK [0] (n=sof@gar31-1-82-66-75-34.fbx.proxad.net) 06.33.41 # anyone on here that has an iPod mini? with rockbox? 06.33.48 # i cannot install the bootloader 06.33.53 # can i do it manually? 06.34.24 Quit RudMan (Remote closed the connection) 06.34.30 # Myphton: Please don't keep asking the same question over and over, especially when very few people have entered/left the room since then. 06.34.50 # What operating system are you on, and what exactly does iPodPatcher say? 06.34.52 Quit SofRaZorbacK (Client Quit) 06.35.08 # windows xp media center 06.35.18 # ipodpatcher.exe says: 06.35.29 # Please don't past it in here. 06.35.34 # Use a pastebin or similar. 06.35.54 # [info] scanning disk drives 06.35.59 # then all errors 06.36.20 # [err] no ipods found, aborting 06.36.32 # please connect ipod to your computer 06.36.46 # refer to rockbox manual 06.36.55 # If you aren't going to listen to me, I'm not sure why I should help. 06.37.33 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 06.38.18 # i dont understand, what was it that you instructed me to do 06.38.27 Quit Alonea ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007073113]") 06.38.43 # I 1) Asked you for EXACTLY what it said, and 2) Made it clear not to paste it in here, but rather use a pastebin. 06.39.20 Join SofRaZorbacK [0] (n=sof@gar31-1-82-66-75-34.fbx.proxad.net) 06.40.23 # im sorry, i dont know what a pastebin is 06.40.49 # hi 06.42.05 # Myphton: Did you try perhaps using Google. If you don't know what it is though, you could've asked rather than ignoring my instructions. 06.42.33 # "I didn't know how to do it right" should be followed with "so I asked" rather than "so I ignored the instructions." 06.43.45 # Another important question: Before attempting to install Rockbox, had you ever installed iPodLinux on your iPod, or had to restore it (with iTunes or manually) for any reason? 06.44.05 # im sorry, i dont know how to do it right... im just very tired and ive been trying to get this to work.. 06.44.16 # and the answer to the linux question is no 06.44.39 Quit SofRaZorbacK () 06.44.48 # What about restoring it? 06.45.00 # never had to 06.45.10 # And you've always owned this iPod, it was not bought used? 06.45.28 # right, came from the box which was from a store 06.45.33 Join SofRaZorbacK [0] (n=sof@gar31-1-82-66-75-34.fbx.proxad.net) 06.45.36 # no other owner 06.46.46 # Alright, and you've tried both iPodPatcher and the latest version of RBUtil? What error does RBUtil give? 06.47.17 # No Ipod Found 06.48.01 # like right now, i have all the necessary files to have it on there 06.48.08 # i just need the bootloader 06.48.30 # and i continue to have errors installing the bootloader for rockbox 06.48.41 Join johnboy221 [0] (n=johnboy@cpe-76-173-68-21.socal.res.rr.com) 06.48.46 # Was iPodPatcher able to autodetect your device, or did you have to select it manually? 06.48.54 Quit SofRaZorbacK (Client Quit) 06.49.08 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 06.49.18 Quit goffa_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.49.25 # no, ipodpatcher said no ipods found, press enter to abort 06.49.28 Join SofRaZorbacK [0] (n=sof@gar31-1-82-66-75-34.fbx.proxad.net) 06.49.36 # if youd like ill paste the message in here 06.49.40 # I meant RBUtil 06.49.53 # And I've told you more than once now not to paste in here. 06.49.55 # manual 06.50.37 # Honestly, you're going to want to file a proper bug report on this, then. 06.50.47 # i had to select the K:/ 06.51.04 # no other way to install the bootloader manually? 06.51.14 # Not without using Linux 06.51.25 # But either way, you need to file a bug report, and help us fix this. 06.51.38 # how so? 06.51.57 # main page? 06.52.07 # The link that says "bug reports" yes. 06.52.43 Part Llorean 06.52.51 Quit SofRaZorbacK (Client Quit) 06.55.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.56.00 Quit Myphton ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 06.56.45 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 06.56.48 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 06.56.55 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 06.56.59 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp225-86.adsl.forthnet.gr) 06.58.00 Join SofRaZorbacK [0] (n=sof@gar31-1-82-66-75-34.fbx.proxad.net) 07.01.00 Quit Travis__ ("Woman calling...") 07.03.49 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 07.08.41 Join DavidGWRawson [0] (i=18eddffa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d89881a1236da96f) 07.08.56 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.09.25 # Hey. Is it out of topic on the video support for rockbox? It's about converting it. 07.10.26 # Hello? Am I still banned? 07.10.39 Join Ebert [0] (n=EbErT@adsl-145-72-140.asm.bellsouth.net) 07.10.48 # DavidGWRawson: have you looked at the mpeg plugin's page? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer 07.11.35 # Yes, but when I convert a video, the file size is 0 bytes. I downloaded the preset.xml. I am using Ubuntu. 07.12.17 # ugh, can someone point me to the preamp prefs? 07.12.21 # you were never banned...just muted 07.14.02 # Is the mpeg video support good enough to be worth using on rockbox? I have never seen a video played on it. 07.14.13 # it depends on your device 07.14.27 Quit rotator () 07.14.28 # The Sansa e200(R) 07.14.46 # it should be fine 07.15.29 # But my problem is with the converter. It says it converts the video (avi format), but it creates an empty file. 07.16.20 # David, are you able to use the rhapsody channels in your dualboot setup? 07.16.41 # no, only e200 firmware is working. 07.17.02 # Rhapsody firmware just freezes and fades the screen white. 07.17.09 # for you... 07.17.32 # i swear i saw "preamp" settings somewhere, is it called something else? 07.17.48 # Ebert: not sure what you are after... 07.17.52 # And others, you may have seen in the forums, had the same problem. 07.18.01 # i see 07.18.16 # i just need to figure out why mine works and yours doesnt 07.18.46 # scorche, preamp, so basically the volume is higher in default 07.18.49 # preamp? we have precut.. 07.19.01 # nothing about preamp though, i'm 99% sure. 07.19.19 # You could fake it by boosting all bands of the EQ. . . 07.19.37 # not what i mean chronon 07.19.38 # replaygain? 07.19.48 Part SofRaZorbacK 07.20.07 # Ebert: then we don't have it, simple as. 07.20.17 # that's the only way to get it louder, manually boosting all the bands. 07.20.21 # alright bottom lines guy :) 07.20.23 Join SofianBabai [0] (n=sof@gar31-1-82-66-75-34.fbx.proxad.net) 07.20.28 # that's me! 07.21.02 # what im looking for basically puts the regular volume controls at a higher level 07.21.17 # why would you want that? 07.21.20 # potentially to have a higher max volume 07.21.35 # the car stereo i plug it into needs more preamp 07.21.45 # well, the max you can ever go is line level (0), unless you want clipping 07.22.30 # its loud enough, but have to put up the car stereo to higher levels, sucks when i switch out of Aux. 07.22.34 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=chatzill@extern-halls-hg-24.soton.ac.uk) 07.22.57 # well, as i said, you can go higher, but expect clipping 07.23.11 Part kkurbjun 07.23.17 # Ebert, are you using line out or the headphone jack? 07.23.30 # line out 07.23.40 # thx scorche, informative 07.23.59 # ah, also i have a bug, maybe you know if its hardware or software: 07.24.16 # everytime i power up my Gigabeat for a session, it says "battery low" on the first attempt 07.24.26 Part SofianBabai 07.24.57 # thanks 07.25.03 # second attempt, powers up fine. Its doing this more frequently now, always powers on second attempt tho. this is with battery on, doesn't matter how charged it is 07.25.35 # In the video converter, do I need to put in the bitrate, etc? 07.26.10 Quit eigma () 07.26.54 Quit hanklords (Remote closed the connection) 07.28.06 # Ebert, never happens on mine. 07.29.13 # hm, dont tell me its a hardware thing 07.30.38 # David, you need to tell it somehow. Is that stored in the preset.xml? 07.30.47 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.31.15 # Nevermind. I further read that it was because of an incompatability. I'm trying something else. 07.31.27 # scorche, are you the only person who is successfully dual booting into the rhapsody firmware? 07.31.36 # it seems like it 07.32.07 # You must have a refabricated one. Originally an e200? Maybe not... 07.32.23 # no....it is a brand new e250R as i have said... 07.32.32 # trust me...i would know if it wasnt really an R 07.33.50 # i could do it to mine but i am holding off, DavidGWRawson 07.34.52 # dang...i really want rockbox, but the channels are the reason I bought it in the first place... 07.35.43 # holding off, as in the power button? 07.36.10 # Well, maybe I'll just use the OF's media player? 07.36.23 # johnboy221: channels? 07.36.55 # holding off putting rockbox on my e280r, DavidGWRawson 07.37.08 # Rhapsody channels...part of the rhapsody enabled e200 series 07.37.50 # Well, mine dualboots just fine, even without rhapsody, I'm happy that it at least has USB support. 07.38.23 # johnboy221: feel free to try it, and if it doesnt work, restore it 07.39.04 # Yea, I tried it on mine, but didn't get it the first time. 07.39.17 # oh, does that auto-download rhapsody stuff? 07.39.22 # But after success, it becomes easy. 07.39.29 # well, we told you not to do it because you didnt understand it...you ignored us 07.39.49 # Well, I very well understand it now. 07.39.58 Quit ptw419 () 07.40.29 # All I have to say is follow their instructions. 07.40.49 # Because you ll have problems like me 07.41.53 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c58-109-97-210.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au) 07.41.59 # david, these guys sometimes seem a little tight in the seat. they must need an hour massage or something 07.42.14 # yeah, you drop a 'channel' like '80's Tunes' onto the player and it auto download like 4 hours from that genre 07.42.31 # then the next time you sync the player, it replaces all the songs you listened to 07.43.00 # scorche, I haven't found a good step by step to restore :/ 07.46.07 Quit DavidGWRawson ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 07.51.39 Join SofRaZorbacK [0] (n=sof@gar31-1-82-66-75-34.fbx.proxad.net) 07.52.48 # .. 07.55.39 Join ddalton [0] (n=daniel@203-214-50-20.dyn.iinet.net.au) 08.00.58 Quit Chronon () 08.02.44 # . 08.03.10 Part johnboy221 08.03.29 Join johnboy221 [0] (n=johnboy@cpe-76-173-68-21.socal.res.rr.com) 08.13.13 Quit aliask (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.16.55 # wow lots and lots of traffic at the #7510 bug 08.17.30 Join Eric___ [0] (n=chatzill@d207-81-67-190.bchsia.telus.net) 08.19.22 Nick Eric___ is now known as homielowe (n=chatzill@d207-81-67-190.bchsia.telus.net) 08.20.19 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@cpe-70-113-103-34.austin.res.rr.com) 08.23.49 # * GodEater prepares to see how bad the forums are this morning... 08.23.56 # ah, pretty bad 08.29.54 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 08.31.04 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 08.36.58 Part homielowe 08.37.51 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul) 08.37.58 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B17992.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.45.52 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 08.47.56 # Ebert: I also have this "battery low" problem 08.48.00 # no idea why 08.48.11 # ah, high five markun 08.48.15 # how long? 08.48.31 # as long as the port exists :) 08.49.12 # its only an inconvenience, i just was fearful the connection might be going 08.50.04 # hello all 08.50.20 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@66.172.231.192) 08.50.25 # SofRaZorbacK: hi 08.50.38 Quit advcomp2019 (Nick collision from services.) 08.50.44 Nick advcomp2019_ is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@66.172.231.192) 08.51.22 # SofRaZorbacK: Did you email me before? Or was that someone else. 08.51.54 # ddalton: it was me :) 08.52.17 Join B4gder [0] (n=daniel@static-213-115-255-230.sme.bredbandsbolaget.se) 08.52.32 # ddalton: glad to see you here :) 08.52.36 # SofRaZorbacK: do you want me to help you now? My instructions weren't very good. 08.52.44 Quit johnboy221 () 08.53.42 # ddalton: i still haven't look at me emails i'll do that and come back. thanks for the offer ! 08.53.51 # ok 08.53.59 # Ebert: my guess would be that we leave the ADC for the battery voltage in a wrong state when we shutdown 08.54.18 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p5496706B.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.54.25 Quit petur ("customer visit :(") 08.54.40 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.dsl.t-2.net) 08.55.16 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.55.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.58.15 # can someone see if they can fix the problems with p7764? 08.59.34 # ddalton: I don't understand what you mean by "When restarting playback nothing is voiced" 08.59.59 # But as for hold being on, the buttons aren't registered at all on some players, so it makes sense that nothing is voiced: To the player nothing is pressed. 09.00.18 # At least, as far as I know. Other players have a software hold, but it's still treated similarly 09.00.32 # well when you press play I thought it would say restarting playback. But what about the hold thing. With the little bit of eye sight I do have I noticed that the back light doesn't go on if you press a button when hold is on. 09.00.57 Join daurnimator [0] (n=fake@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 09.01.00 # so could we make it say "Hold on" when you press something with hold on? 09.01.03 # a key 09.01.39 # ok so really there is nothing good in that patch right? Can you see anything in it that might be worth having? 09.01.59 # also there is a string for hold in english.lang. Why is this? 09.02.01 # I'm confused. 09.02.05 # ddaltonalton: thx for the email. i'll answer back to you since it's more cunfortable for me. your explanations sound clear i just have to figure it out properly 09.02.15 # 1) Why should it say "Resuming Playback" when there is no message for this? 09.02.31 # what nothing is displayed on the screen? 09.02.37 # I am blind so don't know 09.02.42 # 2) What do you expect it to do when on hold. It is *supposed* to act like no buttons are pressed, that is what hold is for. 09.02.53 # Why should it say "resuming playback" at all?? 09.02.59 # amiconn: That's what I'm asking. 09.03.10 # It doesn't show "Resuming Playback" so it shouldn't speak it... 09.03.16 # You know playback is resuming because you hear playback. 09.03.23 # Even if you're blind you'll hear that it resumes, because of the music (or speech) played... 09.03.27 # ok forget both of them. But I thought if it was possible that might be useful but probably not. 09.03.29 # yeah 09.03.48 # so is there anything worth having in that patch? I know the plugin errors are voiced. 09.04.14 # hmm There is a syncsplash for it. 09.04.19 # "Restarting playback" 09.04.48 # about the email you can pm me. 09.05.48 # so is there anything worth having in there or should someone just close it. 09.06.02 # That is for a special case: if you enable or disable crossfade, or change the crossfade duration, playback has to be restarted 09.06.04 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@66.172.231.192) 09.06.13 # That's what the splash is for 09.06.25 # what about the hold one then? 09.06.31 # ? 09.06.49 # did you see the gui_syncsplash for the hold lang? 09.06.53 Quit advcomp2019 (Nick collision from services.) 09.06.55 Nick advcomp2019_ is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@66.172.231.192) 09.07.36 # amiconn: So just forget about the patch? What do you think? 09.08.38 # The hold splash is for targets with soft hold 09.09.14 # amiconn: So should we just close the patch? Or is there something useful in it? 09.09.43 # ddalton: Doesn't the patch voice a lot of other things that aren't those two? 09.10.56 Join Xerion [0] (n=xerion@cp198589-d.landg1.lb.home.nl) 09.11.22 # what do you mean by "aren't those two?"? 09.11.26 Join einhirn [0] (n=Miranda@bb-fw-verw1-c65rz1.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 09.12.56 # That patch voices things like "Scanning Disk" 09.13.25 # Why should it be rejected? 09.14.14 # ok so you think it is useful. 09.14.58 # if you do I am happy to strip it down. So remove some of the stuff in there like "hold" or should this stay? 09.15.01 # No, I didn't say that either. 09.15.15 # You seem to be reading a lot into things that are much simpler statements. 09.15.36 # well then what do you think of it? 09.16.23 # I don't know, I'm not really interested in voice. I was just pointing out that Rockbox was behaving as expected, and those two notes in your patch are "behaviour as expected" 09.16.39 # The "hold" voicing should be removed imo. While it would in fact be useful to voice this on the soft-hold targets, it is not possible 09.17.37 # The targets employing soft hold are the old archoses, as they have no hold switch. But soft hold is only used in the wps, and then music is playing. The archoses are hwcodec and so it's not possible to voice something while music is playing 09.18.15 # Ok I will remove both "hold" and "Restarting playback" Would that be ok? 09.18.23 # gotta let you all, keep on the great work and thanks again for all the support in here. 09.18.29 # ddalton: Nobody said to remove Restarting Playback... 09.18.48 Quit SofRaZorbacK ("au revoir, see you soon!") 09.18.48 # so when is it voiced? Can you give me an example so I can test? 09.19.07 # ddalton: Amiconn already told you, when you enable or disable crossfade it may happen. 09.19.16 # how do I do that? 09.19.47 # It's a setting, I believe in the Playback menu. It's not a feature I use... 09.20.23 # so then if I remove the hold stuff would that be better? 09.22.30 # try what he said first 09.22.48 Quit Ebert () 09.24.06 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjorn@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 09.28.45 # * ddalton Will be back 09.28.51 # later 09.33.20 Quit linuxstb_ ("Chatzilla 0.9.69.1 [Firefox 1.0.2/20050317]") 09.36.24 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 09.50.51 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 09.58.06 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host23-168-dynamic.6-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 10.02.21 Quit ddalton (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.03.11 Join ddalton [0] (n=daniel@203-214-50-20.dyn.iinet.net.au) 10.04.36 # * ddalton Hates connection drop outs. Especially when you can't see what lights are on on the modem! 10.05.05 # indeed, they should go for braille lights! 10.05.18 # (or however you spell that word) 10.05.38 # hahahah 10.08.12 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 10.13.06 Join bluebrother [0] (i=hRBai2Hx@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 10.18.52 Join Siltaar [0] (n=Siltaar@reverse-52.fdn.fr) 10.28.42 # aliask: Around? 10.30.41 # What is a good book that will teach me the stuff I need to know to code on rockbox? 10.31.00 Join obo [0] (n=obo@rockbox/developer/obo) 10.31.21 # how do I know which fonts support what character codepages? 10.34.01 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 10.34.05 # hachi: check http://rasher.dk/rockbox/fontstats/ 10.37.02 # perfect, thanks 10.37.09 # the UnicodeFonts page in the wiki gives also an oversight over a few fonts 10.38.02 # see, now I typed 'fonts' into the wiki and it gave me nothing 10.38.28 # hachi: Did you type it into the "Go" box though ? 10.38.33 # which isn't a search function 10.38.36 # maybe you typed it into the "go" box? Happens to me too, although I know it 10.39.37 # what size is unifont? 10.41.59 # --> <--- this big 10.42.57 # It's "Larger than I like to use" 10.43.09 # At least on most of my players 10.43.56 Join SofRaZorbacK [0] (n=sof@gar31-1-82-66-75-34.fbx.proxad.net) 10.44.39 Join webguest89 [0] (i=57a70b17@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9017c676db7ff4c2) 10.44.53 # Hi Rockboxers.. 10.45.03 # hi :) 10.45.20 # hi DefaultNameUser ;) 10.45.37 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host23-168-dynamic.6-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 10.46.31 # SofRaZorbacK: Do you want help with that translation now? 10.46.35 # I am so happy that the e200 is working very good.... 10.46.47 Quit ivan` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.46.48 Join ivan`` [0] (n=ivan`@adsl-71-143-7-140.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) 10.46.50 # It might be easier if I just go through it with you here. 10.46.51 Nick ivan`` is now known as ivan` (n=ivan`@adsl-71-143-7-140.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) 10.47.30 Quit Siltaar ("Aurevoir - www.fdn.fr/~sdescarp") 10.47.32 # What is the best player running rb at the minute? 10.47.36 # I have a microsd 2GB card working perfectly, and today I read that rockbox supports 4 10.47.39 # webguest89: yes your right man this player is good 10.47.45 # .... 4GB as well 10.47.54 # SofRaZorbacK: did you see my message? 10.48.24 # does that player have a wake up rtc? 10.48.34 # but I just noticed that there are 6GB also available soon. Is it true that 4GB are supported, and what about 6GB? 10.48.37 # ddalton: yes many thanks i'll reply by email lol;K i'll c"ertaily have some questions 10.48.47 # webguest89: rockbox supports microsdhc 10.48.49 # webguest89: Rockbox supports SDHC 10.48.59 Quit actionshrimp (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 10.49.01 # webguest89: you should be able to run at least up to 32GB cards 10.49.06 # that means that all sizes SDHC can have are supported. IIRC this is up to 32GB 10.49.15 # /echo off 10.49.16 # B4gder: beat me ;) 10.49.24 # :-) 10.49.37 # ddalton and ok it's not the topic b ut thx for the t-bird script! :) 10.49.49 # ok, so there's no upper limit then.... wow. Anyone knows when 32GB sdhc is under 50$ ??? ;) 10.50.00 # * bluebrother gets the impression he is mean and grumpy too :D 10.50.20 # what about the t-bird script? 10.50.34 # bluebrother: just be careful so that you don't end up being discussed! :-] 10.50.50 # especially not at the Zend conference 10.50.52 # webguest89: SDHC are available up to 8GB afaik. At least on the marked. But even those are hard to find 10.50.58 # ddalton it's cool! but i won't go further on that , they will kick me lol ! 10.51.17 # B4gder: well, some german Rockbox forum "scared" me away already a while ago. 10.51.36 # SofRaZorbacK: there's always #rockbox-community 10.51.47 # can you tell me what ones your talking about? 10.51.49 # btw, SPI is another org we could consider for "hosting" us 10.52.02 # B4gder: less acronyms we don't know please ;) 10.52.23 # SPI = Serial Peripherial Interface :P 10.52.38 # software in the public interest 10.52.40 # Singapore Paranormal Investogators 10.52.48 # they're behind debian for example 10.52.52 # ah ha 10.52.52 # heard of that ? ;-) 10.52.59 # yes :) 10.53.02 # the last 2 weeks I was on vacation and had a lot of time to use and experiment with e280 (+microsd) and rockbox. after some hours I decided, if my e280 breaks, I'll order another e280 the next second. just because of rockbox ;) 10.53.11 # darkless : lol sory i don't still master irc really i'll tell by email 10.53.25 # whoops ddalton ! 10.54.49 Join h1st0_ [0] (n=histo@h232.64.140.67.ip.alltel.net) 10.55.31 Quit h1st0_ ("Lost terminal") 10.55.44 # what happens if i start OF on a e280 with 4GB SDHC? will it just ignore the card? 10.55.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.56.31 # most likely. 10.56.44 # I think so, i believe others have said so 10.56.59 # If it did anything other than ignore it, I'd consider it buggy behaviour 10.57.00 # SDHC and SD have different adressing formats. If the OF doesn't detect the card as SDHC it won't find the data. 10.57.01 # and in fact, that's handy since then you won't see the annoying OF database update 10.57.27 # the "news" that rockbox supports sdhc just made my day... 10.57.28 # but of course you can't use the OF to populate the card 10.58.29 # I find myself wondering... 10.58.51 # Oh, no OF database update? this is great because its so annoying... but I will see the 4GB under windows as well? 10.59.01 # When booted into the OF for USB mode, the MicroSD card shows up as a separate device/drive. Is an HC one accessible like that, or will that be another "feature" we add once USB works? 10.59.05 # webguest89: under windows? 10.59.32 # I don't think the hc will appear at all over usb right now 10.59.42 # I can't see how it could 10.59.43 # e280 with 4GB in normal USB mode under windows... 10.59.53 # you need a card reader that supports SDHC. That's all 11.00.02 # yes, or copy and paste within rockbox 11.00.28 # cheap card readers usually don't support SDHC though ... 11.00.44 # * Llorean will just wait on an SDHC card until the USB Stack is done then. 11.00.45 # ok, so I also nead a card reader that supports sdhc or is it enough just to use a sdhc to normal sd adapter in a common card reader? 11.01.25 # the card reader needs to support the hc part 11.01.27 Quit spiorf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.01.44 # the MicroSD -> SD adapter is only a mechanical thing. 11.01.56 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host23-168-dynamic.6-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 11.02.38 # ah, ok. A working USB stack for rockbox then also means that I can plug the e280 into windows while rockbox is running? 11.02.47 # yes 11.03.50 # very good :-)) so, whats the plans/ongoings for the USB stack? 11.04.12 # it's being worked on. 11.06.16 # ehm, about where would you say... more at the beginning, the middle or near the end? 11.06.17 # in fits and starts :) 11.07.32 # does it already show up as ums device? 11.13.36 # * ddalton Will be back later! 11.13.47 # I just found a 6GB for about 52 Euro plus shipping.. is this goosd? where are 8GB sdhc sold? 11.14.15 Join kclaf [0] (i=kclaf@85.95.211.245) 11.16.26 # on the wiki main page there was a 4 weeks svn history link... it's gone now and I really miss it... 11.17.13 # only the link is gone, not the site http://www.rockbox.org/since-4weeks.html 11.17.34 # thanks ;) 11.19.15 # ups, it was not the wiki main page, it was the rockbox main page... 11.19.48 # if you mean the design of the frontpage, that's been discussed here and the current version probably won't stay forever... 11.21.31 # yeah, after e200 dev started, I came by on a about weekly base, and the 4 weeks history was the most important link to keep me up with ongoing dev... 11.28.49 # a last sdhc question... is 32GB the sdhc limit, a rockbox limit or a e200 limit? 11.29.25 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 11.29.30 # sdhc 11.35.00 Join Buschel [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3E064.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.36.25 # my actual rockbox version on e280 is aroun 22.08.2007. the remaining battery time (when its between 40% and 80%) is very bad... I used battery bench to get some data, and I found out that my e280 worked about 14h when playing music and very low use of the screen... 11.36.32 # SofRaZorbacK: Have you replied? Or do you want me to help you on here? I am just going to continue reading my c book now so if you have time now would be good. 11.37.49 # I mean the shown remaining battery time in hours and minuters 11.38.46 # webguest89: yes...it is not accurate 11.39.03 # the remaining runtime calculation is quite wrong on PP targets (including the sansa) 11.42.09 # scorche: Really? The sdhc is a rather short-sighted extension... 11.42.19 # s/The/Then/ 11.42.24 # it is. 11.42.46 # MMC (originally) does have a 4GB limitation. MMC4.2 extends this up to 2TB 11.42.48 # actually, i was wrong...i picked that up somewhere else 11.44.04 # +4GB MMCs are yet to be seen though :\ 11.45.07 # amiconn: My understanding is that the SDHC standard goes up to 32gb, but that technically the physical limitation is similar (2TB). 11.45.46 # The wikipedia article seems to suggest that 32GB is the largest announced card size, and the limitation is 2048GB as well. 11.46.25 # actually, no...i think i might be right 11.46.35 # High Capacity SD Memory Card: More than 2GB (This version of specification limits 11.46.35 # capacity up to and including 32GB) 11.46.42 # that is from the actual spec paper 11.46.52 # oh, i can't wait for a 2048GB card for my e280 11.47.08 # High Capacity SD Memory Cards supports capacity more than 2 G bytes (2 11.47.08 # 31 11.47.08 # bytes) and this version 11.47.08 DBUG Enqueued KICK scorche 11.47.08 # of specification limits capacity up to and including 32 GB. High Capacity SD Memory Card is newly 11.47.09 # defined from the Physical Layer Specification Version 2.00. 11.47.15 # ack...this is not pasting well 11.47.29 # scorche: Notice that it "limits", suggesting it can go higher. :) 11.47.53 # the german wikipedia article states 32GB as maximum 11.47.53 # and I think to remember I read that value in the sandisk specs some time ago 11.48.06 # yup, but it seems it IS the specification after all 11.50.17 Quit SofRaZorbacK ("au revoir, see you soon!") 11.51.59 Join SofRaZorbacK [0] (n=sof@gar31-1-82-66-75-34.fbx.proxad.net) 11.52.49 # the data address is 32 bits and multiple of 512 bytes for sdhc. 11.53.10 # so theoretically it could address 2TiB 11.53.40 # (footnote 10 on page 117 of the PHY layer spec 2.0) 12.01.21 # omg, the e280 is available in germany for 92 Euro!!! Thinking about to buy a bsckup... 12.01.41 # SofRaZorbacK : Just replied to you. 12.03.06 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF59B1.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.04.40 # webguest89: do you have a link? 12.05.00 # http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a214776.html 12.06.41 # could anyone include "iPOD video" as player type in flyspray? I had to choose "iPOD nano" for a patch which is only valid for the iPOD video 12.07.40 # Buschel: Didn't you think it fit better under "iPod 5G"? 12.08.01 # Buschel: Video is 5G 12.08.22 # Llorean: Sorry, I am too blind :/ 12.09.05 Quit `VL (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.09.30 # can anyone change #FS7763 to playertype iPOD 5G? 12.09.41 Quit SofRaZorbacK (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.09.53 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@pD955D6DD.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.10.49 # Buschel: Even Apple doesn't spell it iPOD, by the way... 12.11.20 # Buschel: changed 12.17.37 Join garetht [0] (i=568325a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-fbf97949e6dd5caf) 12.18.15 # Lo 12.22.09 Part garetht 12.23.03 # pixelma: Danke :) 12.23.23 Quit bluebrother ("bbl") 12.28.34 Join tyrion_ [0] (n=tyrion_@skynet.skynet.ie) 12.28.55 Join garetht [0] (n=garetht@host86-131-37-161.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) 12.29.10 # hey, which takes preference in Database view, ID3v1 or ID3v2? 12.29.27 # depends on how you've set it up 12.30.14 # what's the default? 12.30.46 # id3v2 12.30.50 # check your settings 12.31.53 # btw, could anyone tell me anyone would ever want to prioritise id3v1? 12.32.03 # insert "why" 12.32.18 # because some people still live in caves 12.32.20 # more compatibil.. I dunno :) 12.32.41 # less bytes? 12.32.43 # a tag editor may only support ID3v1 12.32.44 # B4gder: my point is we should just nuke that option, it's pointless 12.33.02 # eh, I dunno. 12.33.02 # if there is id3v2, then hell yes, that's what you want to use 12.33.14 # I believe it popped up because people use various tools and often have both kinds of tags 12.33.25 # there's not going to be two id3 tags in one song, will there? 12.33.31 # surely so 12.33.36 # yes they do, and when you have id3v2, that's the one that can actually fit the song name of your favourite bal-sagoth track 12.33.39 # that's why the option is there 12.33.45 # ah, ok. 12.33.51 # well, then, the option makes sense 12.33.59 # having two is weird in the first place of course 12.34.02 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 12.34.27 # maxkelley: it doesn't, if you ask me, the id3v2 one is at the start of the file, which makes it the one you find first. and if you find that, there's no need to seek to the end of the file to look for id3v1 12.34.31 # aye, let's gro protest. 12.34.47 # mm. 12.34.48 # so i don't get why anyone would ever want to use the "id3v1 then id3v2" setting 12.35.15 # I think it was juts because there was some oddball once upon the time that wanted exactly that 12.35.17 # B4gder: having both is a pain in the arse, but some podcasts arse stuff up and put in two different tags, like putting the date as the title in the ID3v1 and the EP name and number in ID3v2 12.35.32 # B4gder: time to reduce some settings bloat, then :> 12.35.37 # Hi 12.36.00 # you could use the id3v1 to implement a "song that follows after" directive, which tells rockbox to force playback of two songs together (happiest days of our lives/Another Brick in the Wall) 12.36.07 # tyrion_: perhaps, but with garbage in, gargage out should not be surprising! ;-) 12.36.26 # maxkelley: we always do that 12.36.38 # good point :) 12.37.30 # tyrion_: what tag editor supports only ID3v1? 12.37.45 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 12.38.27 # does flac use id3? 12.38.33 # no 12.38.35 # flac uses vorbis comments. 12.38.37 # id3 is mp3 only 12.38.38 Quit barrywardell () 12.38.42 # ah, ok. 12.38.57 # well, flac doesn't use it, but that hasn't stopped idiots from appending id3 to flac anyway 12.39.04 # it's so common rockbox has to handle it 12.39.09 # B4gder: If I recall grip stupidly appends ID3 to flac under default settings. 12.39.22 # right, stupid things still happen 12.39.24 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 12.39.24 # * maxkelley likes the vorbis family. 12.39.31 # it's so flaming stupid 12.39.37 # it has its own comment format and everything 12.39.44 # you'd need to be a right flaming fool to append id3 to flac 12.39.49 # Llorean: If you change the encoder but don't change related settings, garbage is expected 12.39.57 # It's the same in EAC 12.40.25 # amiconn: I've never actually used grip, I've just run into people using it whose tags don't show up. 12.40.40 # amiconn: btw, you have any good reasons to retain the id3 tag priority setting? 12.40.50 # heh. 12.41.05 # Some people don't like id3v2 it seems 12.41.12 # should we care? 12.41.13 # it's 6:40 in the morning and I'm debating over ID3. I should probably type "whereis life" into the closest shell. 12.41.13 # * Llorean doesn't see why we can't mandate "ID3v2 will be read first. v1 will only be used if v2 is not present" 12.41.28 # Are there any plans to have a simelar option to CoverFlow implemented in RockBox ? 12.41.28 # Llorean: that's what i want 12.41.34 # kiss 12.41.37 # no need for an otion 12.41.39 # option 12.41.46 # I agree wholeheartedly for this one. 12.41.53 # yeah, I guess I agree. 12.41.53 # Unless there's a good reason otherwise, of course. 12.42.04 # if you have irrational hate for id3v2: your problem 12.42.06 # order in the court of rockbox. 12.42.25 # if t ID3v1 then they would 12.42.28 # garetht: Rockbox doesn't make plans, generally. It's a project by volunteers, so anyone could work on it if so desired. 12.42.42 # garetht: That being said, we encourage people to work on fixing bugs and implementing useful features rather than eyecandy. 12.43.02 # oops... wanted to say - if one prefers ID3v1 they shouldn't have v2 tags... (so agreed) 12.43.34 # unfortunately, this also means editing a huge bunch of lang files... 12.43.50 Quit webguest89 ("CGI:IRC") 12.44.01 # heh. 12.44.46 # make a bash script that looks up a translation for each language of "ID3 tag settings", and generates from a basic template patch, then patches it :) 12.44.57 # preglow: I thought marking them as "deprecated" would be enough? 12.45.00 # i seem to remember a valid reason for v1 before v2 12.45.11 # in english.lang that is 12.45.16 # or rather, i remember there being one 12.45.21 # LinusN: actaully remembering it is better :) 12.45.29 # right, well, I'm off to school. 12.45.29 # what's wrong with my typing today :/ 12.46.40 # the option is passed all over the place, i'd love to remove it :P 12.47.57 # me too actually 12.48.04 # working on it now 12.48.14 # pixelma: then that bodes well for me 12.48.20 # LinusN: what was the reason? 12.48.43 # i *think* it had something to do with having different language encodings 12.49.19 # well, we'll soon find out if someone actually cares 12.49.26 # hehe 12.49.49 # i think it may matter to Player users 12.50.08 # they should start stripping id3v2 tags, then 12.50.15 # then you could want displayable tags in v1, and full tags in v2 12.50.36 # hmm, can't rockbox handle that better now that we're unicode? 12.50.50 # preglow: one nice thing about rockbox is that you can copy your entire collection to the player without fuzz 12.51.06 # preglow: no chinese charset on the player 12.51.11 # for example 12.51.20 # indeed, and i'm actually quite keen on keeping it that way myself 12.51.24 # but this is such a fringe case... 12.51.29 # for you maybe 12.52.02 # sometimes, even the most simple feature is golden to some people 12.52.14 # sure, we've rejected tons of them 12.52.27 # tons of nice little golden features that three or four people like 12.52.34 # this is one of them 12.52.43 # like the remove leading "The" option 12.53.05 # i think there are more chinese people that just 3 or 4 ;-) 12.53.18 # billions? ;-) 12.53.21 # if there were 3 or 4 chinese people left with players at all, i'd be surrpised, heh 12.53.26 # haha 12.53.29 # true 12.53.37 # surprised too. /me warms fingers 12.53.42 # Why not remove it, and wait a month for outcries. 12.53.54 # i'm working on removing it anyway, if only to see the bin size impact 12.53.55 # or start a poll in the forums, just for fun 12.54.15 # no player users are there anyway 12.54.17 # LinusN: I'd bet I could count the number of people who own players and would actually notice such a poll on one hand. 12.54.20 # "can you find any use for the "V1 then V2" option?" 12.54.38 # LinusN: "Are you aware of the V1 then V2 option?" 12.55.02 # well I am aware of it, but I don't find any use for it 12.55.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.56.43 # all the manual invocations of mp3info in plugins and such set id3v1first to false anyway 12.58.02 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@151.63.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 12.59.35 # Hi there 13.03.59 # The player learned to display a lot more charsets ~ half a year ago (but of course no chinese) 13.04.12 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b9bdd.ucd.ie) 13.04.25 Quit Soap (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.04.25 # archos.mod is uncompressed firmware, yes? 13.04.32 # That reminds me - is there a way to automatically convert japanese text into katakana? 13.04.42 Join Soap [0] (n=Soap@h69.100.29.71.ip.alltel.net) 13.04.56 # removing this features frees a bit over 200 bytes, even in rockbox.ucl, for some reason 13.04.58 # player 13.05.01 # preglow: Yes, atm. Just scrambled with the archos scramble algorithm 13.05.58 # ahh, no, 167 bytes in rockbox.ucl 13.07.05 # why don't you compare the rockbox.bin? 13.07.05 # rockbox.ucl is compressed. rombox.ucl is not 13.07.53 # pixelma: because i didn't know it was there :P 13.08.41 # rockbox.bin exists for all targets 13.09.45 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 13.09.58 # 220 bytes for rockbox.bin 13.10.12 # english is no longer embedded in the main binary, no? 13.10.16 # so this is just code savings 13.10.51 # surely english is still compiled in 13.12.05 # *shrug* 13.12.12 # i think i remember some talk of it not being so anymore 13.12.29 # but i don't really know that part of rockbox too well at all, so 13.14.30 # the major part of binary size savings from langV2 was because of that 13.14.38 # true 13.15.39 # wasn't there some new lang cleanup going on, btw? 13.16.06 Join Nic0_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 13.16.27 # not that I know of... 13.16.40 # then i was probably just dreaming something 13.19.03 # 220 bytes on recorder too, so no huge savings 13.19.04 # not surprisingly 13.19.54 Join webguest68 [0] (i=57a70b17@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-cb9abccb68d0b30a) 13.20.09 # there were some discussions about how to deal with localisation and voice etc. in plugins, that's all I can remember happen in this area lately 13.21.37 Quit Soap ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518]") 13.27.37 # jhMikeS: it's not like Buschel is a stranger to fixed point code... 13.28.00 # ...just read the post... 13.30.25 Quit garetht ("Leaving") 13.31.49 Quit Nico_P (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.31.55 Quit ddalton ("leaving") 13.32.14 # Llorean: btw, we gonna see some mob stuff commited soon? 13.33.08 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.33.10 # Last time I asked, I was assured we would. I need to start prodding. 13.33.27 # hello, one question: is it on purpose that you can't choose battery capacity on e200? 13.33.53 # webguest68: Do you have a battery with a capacity other than that provided with the Sansa? 13.34.25 # no, I don't... so this is a default entry which will not be changed? 13.34.33 # Llorean: we should probably disable it on the Gigabeat (and other players with internal batteries?) as well 13.34.43 # webguest68: why does it matter at all? 13.35.11 # webguest68: It should only ever be changed if you insert a battery with a different capacity than the official 13.35.13 # markun: ipods and the coldfire irivers have aftermarket batteries available (with different capacity fromt he original) 13.35.32 # markun: On h120, for example, the battery is internal but I've replaced mine. On one like the Gigabeat F where different batteries aren't available, it should probably be disabled. 13.35.40 # The Gigabeat S though, seems to have third-party batteries available. 13.35.59 # well, a replacemt battery could have other capacities and, I think the capacity setup is mentioned in the manual for e200 13.36.25 # preglow: My understanding, though, is that work is being done in the Git repository to merge with current Rockbox, so that when it's ready it can just be "done" 13.36.34 # Iaudios can already come with one of two different batteries 13.36.44 # webguest68: if it's in the manual it should be removed. If batteries with different capacities become available, both (the setting and the manual mention) should be re-introduced 13.36.45 # webguest68: When such batteries exist, the feature can be enabled. 13.36.57 # and I 13.37.01 # Llorean: I also replaced my H120 battery :) 13.37.16 # btw, nice runtime for the 160GB ipod: http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/news/comments/ipod-classic-nano-batteries-beat-apple-claims/11412 13.37.31 Join webguest13 [0] (i=4a4c8083@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-dd0295375d72db62) 13.37.46 # markun: 15 screws just to replace a battery is somewhat ridiculous. And then that plug is in such a horrible position. 13.37.49 # 've heard that it's quite easy to disconnect the second battery in the Iaudio L-models to fit a dual platter into it 13.38.04 # Llorean: sure, but some prodding is probably a nice idea 13.38.17 Quit webguest13 (Client Quit) 13.38.20 # preglow: I agree. 13.40.05 # I'm not very confident about my GSoC student producing anything, even with the extension he got 13.40.22 # MoB is probably not a change you want to commit before you're reasonably sure it is in fact working 13.40.32 # Imagine the forums.. 13.40.33 # markun: i wouldn't be either 13.40.38 # preglow: The last commit looks to be Aug 28th. 13.40.45 # Though there was mention of exams this month 13.41.04 # rasher: sure, i'm not saying he should rush it, but i'm saying he should be aware we're awaiting some commits soon 13.41.21 # this stuff should ideally have been commited by the end of gsoc 13.46.01 # markun, are you going to fail him then ? 13.46.15 # are there different hardware models of the e200 series known (not RAM or FM diffs)? 13.46.29 # preglow: really 13.47.30 # preglow: I'd say having a working implementation is a reasonable end result too, even if it's not integrated yet. But then, I don't really know anything about gsoc 13.47.34 # GodEater: I already did, but it can be changed to "pass" if he works very hard 13.47.41 # webguest68: There's a hardware revision 1.0 and 1.1 which seems to have introduced a problem in the LCD, which was fixed recently 13.49.22 # ah, ok. how can I find out the hardware revision (though i am sure i must have 1.0 ...)? 13.50.01 # rasher, preglow: That's the problem I ran into. By "pencils down" I realized there hadn't been set an explicit enough endpoint. Absolutely next year, the very first thing (should I be allowed to mentor again) will be to determine what "finished" is, and then at the halfway point consider redefining it based on what's happened so far. 13.51.50 # Llorean: i completely agree 13.52.22 # but we pretty much needed a no-frills run like this first too 13.52.25 # I mean "Integration with Rockbox" is clearly a common sense finishing point. But, to a lesser extent but still valid is "Working and in a state to be integrated" 13.53.10 # But I think some pressure to see some commits now is probably good. 13.53.41 # yeah, that saratoga character is well behind ;) 13.53.46 # Hahhaa 13.54.52 # Well, either way, we learned some things. 13.55.08 # indeedey 13.56.00 # Though I'm not sure what I could suggest for GSoC projects for next year. 13.56.33 # i think that's going to be the least of our problems 13.56.43 # viewports! 13.56.56 # not saying we have any big problems, just that thinking of ideas for projects isn't going to be very hard :P 13.56.59 # viewports is definitely one 13.57.00 # Hehehe 13.57.03 # but we'd need a big spec for that first 13.57.25 # amiconn keeps saying it'd be easier for him to just write it than spec it 13.57.27 # Viewports and MIDI/MOD/etc are the two obvious ones I see. 13.57.36 # Quake IV! 13.57.48 # GodEater: that doesn't help us far 13.58.04 # :) 13.58.51 # assuming MoB does actually get rolled into RB sometime soon, I'm guessing other projects could be porting things like the AA patch to use it 13.58.57 # We should just start a covert campaign. Every two or three days, get him to explain a little more on viewports, and document it each time. 13.59.13 # although I'm not sure if that's a big enough task to make a whole GSoC project 13.59.17 # GodEater: I can almost guarantee AA will be working with MoB within 1, maybe 2 months of inclusion. ;) 13.59.41 # didn't Nico write the AA patch in the first place / 13.59.42 # ? 13.59.55 # He's involved with it, I'm not sure who the initial writer was. 14.00.18 # I think he wrote it initially too 14.00.29 # I honestly tend to stop at the "Not me" segment of "People who did things" as in "It's not my fault, it must've been one of them." 14.00.37 # what other uses do we envisage for MoB ? 14.00.54 # Llorean: a healthy attitude :) 14.01.03 # Probably useful for cuesheets, lyrics, and other such frippery. 14.01.07 # norwegian language classes! 14.01.19 # ... 14.01.28 # being able to store as many files in the buffer as you want 14.01.32 # currently there's a limit 14.01.37 # which sucks for stuff like spc/mod/sid 14.01.38 # Ah yes, 4000 sids. 14.01.43 # norwegian language classes was one of the first examples that hit that limit 14.01.49 # hahaha 14.01.49 # leet 14.01.52 # 32 currently I believe 14.02.04 # * GodEater is lost 14.02.07 # sids ? 14.02.22 # GodEater: we have one set of meta-data for each file 14.02.24 # GodEater: Obscure audio format, only used by really, really, really old people. :-P 14.02.31 # Llorean: thanks 14.02.34 # with files like "du er en drittsekk.mp3" and "pass deg for svenskene.mp3" you're bound to hit the limit soon 14.02.43 # hahah 14.02.51 # GodEater: In all serious, a type of chiptune, very small files. Very, very, very small. 14.03.11 # GodEater: c64 tunes 14.03.19 # So right now if you listen to a "full" buffer of them, 95% of your buffer is probably empty because of the 32-song limit. 14.03.23 # you should listen to LinusN's and zagor's sid tunes made on my player! ;-) 14.03.25 # gotcha 14.03.46 # we rock! :) 14.03.53 # I wonder if MoB could help with MIDI. 14.04.35 # Zagor: wouldn't the commit message be more interesting instead of the files which got changed? 14.04.59 # I think we need both files and message 14.05.12 # and we need to put the "since" links back in somewhere 14.05.13 # it's a tough choice... commit messages without the files can be very non-informative too. there's not really any good choice other than all fields. 14.05.35 Quit webguest68 ("CGI:IRC") 14.05.42 # I think I'll try a new layout soon. anyone interested is free to play around and submit suggestions. 14.05.46 # but i'd say the info is more important than the files 14.06.05 # yeah but the info is not always comprehensible without the files 14.06.29 # So train people to write better commit messages. :-P 14.06.31 # true. Like: "fix a potential buffer overflow" or something 14.06.39 # yeah 14.07.04 # or let them change them post commit 14.07.11 # when they realise they suck 14.07.29 # Zagor: agreed, both is fine, but if i can only have one, it's the message 14.07.46 # +1 14.08.11 # * Zagor spots a $100 donation. yikes! 14.08.20 # sick 14.08.39 # * Llorean waits for a feature request with a "I just donated a lot of money" attached. 14.08.39 # and why now, when a dollar isn't worth much ;) 14.08.47 # Llorean: haha 14.09.02 # * pixelma is reminded of the H120 offer :( 14.09.33 Join Webgiest [0] (i=049a2386@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7124617cb8d2d671) 14.11.50 # Hi I check in now and agian, kudos to the new rockbox look. I really like it. 14.12.21 # new? 14.12.28 # Webgiest: you're in a minority of one I think 14.12.33 # most people don't like it 14.12.38 # assuming you mean www.rockbox.org 14.12.40 # which new look? 14.13.05 # what's different with it? 14.13.08 # right I know needs tweaked IMO like I can't find my long list on SVN changes to read through 14.13.26 # gammy: if you can't even tell, it probably doesn't matter :) 14.13.35 # GodEater: I suppose you're right. 14.13.37 # the since links need to be re-added, yes 14.13.58 # GodEater: But uh. See that as a good thing :) 14.14.24 # looks smooth though good job. 14.14.31 # later 14.14.33 Quit Webgiest ("CGI:IRC") 14.18.00 # * amiconn still doesn't like the all-boxed frontpage 14.18.59 # sort of has an amiga feel to it don't you think? 14.20.22 # no 14.21.26 # i would like for the boxes to vanish 14.21.28 # that i would 14.21.37 # boxes look... clumsy 14.21.55 # but having that info on the frontpage is good 14.22.38 # * GodEater would like to see more people responding to the "redesign www.rockbox.org front page" thread 14.23.48 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 14.24.55 # stupid question: what's the origin of "rockbox blue"? it just reminds me H120's backlight color for lack of any other association. 14.25.11 # * GodEater has always wondered where the colour scheme came from too 14.25.21 # it's been there forever 14.25.29 # and people seem to be overly attached to it 14.25.44 # yeah, it comes from the original web "remake" design from around year 37 14.27.03 # rockbox is 1970 years old? :) 14.27.13 # about ;-) 14.27.17 # jhMikeS: just answered in flyspray... didn't see you are online 14.27.20 # I lost count 14.27.44 # Jesus kicked off the project just before he died 14.27.44 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 14.27.48 # Buschel: just floating around 14.27.59 # Jesus is f****** metal 14.28.13 # hmmm...blessed art thou rockboxers 14.28.47 # sounds like something godly though, anti-lock in, anti closed doors, etc. 14.28.57 # jhMikeS: if you like, you may adapt the interface to your ideas. I won't be able to work too much on this in the next days (my parents visit us for several days) 14.29.38 # anyone here any good at Database stuff? 14.29.57 # tyrion_: not really - bascule is the expert, and he's mainly forums only 14.30.00 # gotta go now 14.30.01 Quit Buschel () 14.30.12 # GodEater: cool, i'll open a thread 14.30.23 # tyrion_: search first!!! 14.31.06 # GodEater: have done so, question wasnt answered 14.31.17 # or at least not the way i'm trying to do it 14.31.23 # ok, so where are we on the remove id3 priority setting deal? 14.31.37 # GodEater: i'm not a _complete_ newb 14.35.00 Nick parafin|away is now known as parafin (i=parafin@paraf.in) 14.35.19 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.35.19 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 14.44.36 Quit Nic0_P (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14.44.41 Join Nic0_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 14.46.16 Quit Siku () 14.55.49 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host23-168-dynamic.6-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 14.55.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.57.14 # Remove a setting? I think I'm gonna faint. ;) 14.57.28 Join Siku [0] (n=Siku@f303b.w3.tontut.fi) 15.00.41 # well, the response isn't exactly overpowering 15.00.41 # haha 15.01.15 # so far we've got one excuse to keep it: an esoteric scenario where player owners might want to keep displayable tags in id3v1, and full tags in id3v2, for where characters the player doesn't support are used 15.03.39 # I'm not sure that's a valid one, either 15.04.04 # I just realized, there's Sort and Display tags already, if they made use of those they could put the "Displayable" ones in the ones intended for Display 15.04.14 # It's yet another application of my preferred solution to the "The" problem. 15.04.15 # what chars doesn't the player support? I though UTF-8 was used and just a matter of fonts. 15.04.32 # jhMikeS: The Player is the one with the charcell display. You can't change fonts. 15.04.44 # player has a rom character set (limited) plus eight or so configurable ones 15.04.46 # ah..._that_ meaning of "player" 15.04.49 # which obviously limits what we can do 15.05.10 # preglow: Still, wouldn't the Sort vs Display tags address that edge case (or it could be adapted to, by a needy user, rather)? 15.05.34 # Llorean: no idea 15.05.41 # I think it would. 15.06.03 # I mean it essentially means you have two Artist, two Album, two Title etc, one with the sole purpose of being displayed but not actually used functionally. 15.06.18 # ID3v2.4 has tags explicitly for this I think. 15.06.58 # do we support it? 15.07.13 # * jhMikeS wonders about sorting hinting to allow for example "The" to be ignored. I hate "Red Hot Chili Peppers" not being next to "The Red Hot Chili Peppers" and I'm very literal about tagging files. 15.07.49 # preglow: I believe there's a patch for it, I'm not sure if it's been integrated. 15.08.12 # It offers a semi-elegant solution to ignoring "The" as well. The display tag says "The Beatles" and the sort tag says "Beatles, The" 15.08.14 # * jhMikeS just digressed as usual 15.09.30 Join rogelio [0] (n=rogelio@189.146.222.125) 15.09.50 # Most all the tagging formats we have either have an official set of "sort" variants of the tags, or have in some cases an accepted one. 15.09.53 Quit rogelio (Remote closed the connection) 15.11.09 # Llorean: You mean a SortTitle= instead of Title= ? (something like that) 15.11.36 # jhMikeS: Yes. Basically, the database would index the Sort variant, and the WPS would display the normal one. 15.11.43 # sounds good to me 15.11.48 # Also handy in the case of bands that change their name, but you want them indexed as one band, etc, etc. 15.12.06 # But it seems like it'd solve the Player problem as well 15.12.11 # anyway, i'll go for a bike ride, see about courses of action on the id3 prio afterwars 15.12.14 # afterwards too 15.12.16 # makes the issue of "Der, Die, El, La" vs. "The" moot 15.12.19 # safetydan pointed me to this page: http://musicbrainz.org/doc/PicardQt/TagMapping 15.13.04 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7287 is the task, I believe 15.13.36 # jhMikeS: It really solves all those questions with the cost of "The user needs to make sure their files are tagged to their satisfaction" 15.13.37 # jhMikeS: and there are some other cases. I would like to have the artists called mu-Ziq (with a greek mu) under M 15.14.33 # Llorean: and those people could create a tool which adds extra sorting tags for everything starting with "The" 15.14.56 # And .lang files don't contain regional info, correct? I mean the decimal separator characters and such could be contained there to display 3,14159 instead of 3.14159. 15.15.10 # markun: Exactly my opinion, it could even be made into a plugin like VBRfix 15.15.33 # rocktag! 15.15.36 # tagbox? 15.16.42 # rocktagbox 15.16.55 # If we're going to start naming things like that again, we might as well go all out. 15.17.02 # :) 15.17.08 Quit Llorean ("Leaving.") 15.17.25 # thetheremovingtagbox 15.17.43 Quit barrywardell (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.17.52 # GodEater: would could as well make it a full blown tag editor :) 15.18.09 # theremovingtagbox, the. (yes, "The The" is listed as "The, The" in my collection :) 15.18.11 # some masochist would use it I'm sure 15.18.19 # :) 15.18.47 # GodEater: I've heard about people editing WPS' in rockbox :) 15.19.42 # markun: masochists, as I said ;) 15.20.37 # * jhMikeS doesn't understand this wanting every possible PC function on the target itself :\ 15.20.39 # * GodEater wants a port of screen to Rockbox 15.21.09 # we need a rockbox simulator in rockbox! 15.21.13 # user-land rockbox 15.21.23 # rockbox as app on rockbox 15.21.50 # hm, is it user-mode they call that linux thing? 15.22.04 # yes it is... 15.22.13 # yes 15.22.18 # * GodEater has used it once or twice 15.22.48 Join RudMan [0] (n=RudMan@167.206.188.130) 15.22.56 # R-BINE? "Rock-Box Is Not an Emulator"? 15.25.12 # I think that should be "R-BINE Is Not an Emulator". After "WINE" of course. eh, never mind. :P 15.26.30 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@cpe-70-113-103-34.austin.res.rr.com) 15.28.07 Part LinusN 15.32.39 # good ol' open source recursive acronyms :D 15.34.21 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.34.39 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@pD955D3C1.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.36.53 # if you want to know why open source is bad, this guy has the answers: http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/speex-dev/2007-August/006067.html 15.37.19 # there more nice posts by the same guy in this thread 15.37.24 # +are 15.38.35 # we could invite him to rockbox to share the fun! ;-P 15.39.28 # B4gder: he's a MS shareholder so I guess he only uses DAPs with windows CE 15.41.08 # I like his assumption that nobody ever does open source in their free time. 15.41.16 # You either do it while on welfare, or you do it while at work stealing company time. 15.41.23 # hahah 15.42.06 # "Open Source is an anti Microsoft religion" 15.42.08 Join seablue [0] (n=s@0x535c1344.banxx3.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) 15.42.16 # B4gder is a good example of a guy who has no real world experience and only works on rockbox because he is anti-MS 15.42.47 # that's me 15.43.46 # B4gder: and by living in a country like sweden you are practically anti-capitalism by default :) 15.43.50 # markun: open source should be illegal (lemme, guess...he says that ?). I will read that promptly. 15.43.57 # ""One of the three things that a supplier should never discuss is politics ... that's business 101." [...] "rantings of left wing academics" [...] 15.44.01 # seems pretty fun :) 15.45.04 # He reminds me of a few people who've berated us for our horrible support. 15.45.27 # should I have posted this link in #rockbox-community ? 15.45.29 # :) 15.46.00 # nooo, then I would've missed it! 15.46.21 # * Llorean wonders when the first feature request for this $35000 codec will come in. 15.48.53 # but the development license is only 15000 ;-) 15.49.01 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 15.49.14 # B4gder: then who has to pay $35000? The user? 15.49.27 # for 35 you get => "Licensee is allowed to distribute a product or service that incorporates or implements the RTAudio codec." 15.49.38 # To anyone that would try to equate open-source with communist ideals (or some such nonsense): Participation is voluntary and anyone is here free to write closed-source software and charge for it too. OS is very capitalistic and free-market. 15.49.45 # for 15 => "Licensee is provided the RTAudio porting kit to evaluate the codec and/or create a product or service that incorporates or implements the RTAudio codec." 15.50.38 # so, you basically need to cough up 50 to develop and distribute anything with it 15.50.41 # So, for $15k you get to play, but not actually use/distribute? 15.50.48 # yeah 15.50.51 # Wow 15.51.02 # to be honest, it's not too bad as licensing goes 15.51.30 # jbit: yes, strange that google is planning to use speex for their jabber voip sutff 15.51.39 # :) 15.51.39 # given a fair volume it's not that much money of course 15.51.49 # no, not really 15.51.57 # B4gder: nod, i'm guessing it's mainly aimed for people selling millions of products 15.52.04 # most likely yes 15.52.12 # we don't even sell 1 product 15.52.21 # It's a drop in the bucket assuming a better option isn't available, but it seems they're claiming that speex is still technologically superior. 15.52.34 # markun: but it's not (or at least shouldn't be) targeted anywhere near us :) 15.52.44 # "RTAudio is the preferred Microsoft® Real-Time audio codec and is the default codec for Microsoft?s Unified Communications platforms" 15.59.50 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 16.03.02 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@e180250033.adsl.alicedsl.de) 16.05.16 # "One of the three things that a supplier should never discuss is politics ... that's business 101. Speex may be a very good product, _but we will never use it because of the politics that you espouse_...". lol 16.06.01 # espouse, is that like a wife on the internet? 16.06.21 # Hehehe. eSpouse. 16.06.37 # And a half decade later, the Apple iSpouse? 16.07.17 # and then "iSpouse touch" ... 16.07.35 # * B4gder stops 16.07.44 # spouse.NET? 16.07.51 # You have to guess what's wrong because eSpouses are closed-source. :) 16.09.17 Quit hcs ("Leaving.") 16.11.10 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@hdp186.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 16.11.43 Quit The-Compiler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.13.13 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@151.63.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 16.15.25 # lol: http://www.clickshappen.com/madeupmac/ispouse.html 16.16.52 # * jhMikeS wants to JTAG the iSpouse 16.20.18 # It looks like there's a patch for the Motorola "port" of the Sim now. 16.20.47 # * Domonoky is just looking at that patch.. :-) 16.21.10 # It's against month old code, or so the filename claims. 16.21.34 # is it big? 16.21.39 # 500k 16.21.44 # the patch? 16.21.45 # Llorean: is that the blackhawk thing? 16.22.04 # B4gder: Yes, 492kb according to my archive manager (the .patch file inside the zip) 16.22.06 # jhMikeS: Yes 16.22.11 # wow, that's indeed a lot 16.22.13 # and the patch file seems to contain other patches.. 16.22.18 # http://www.motorolafans.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=13257&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 <-- Last file in the first post. 16.22.18 # I thought it be rather small 16.23.29 # Yeah, it seems to include several other patches like bmp resize. =/ 16.23.36 # Album art, etc. 16.23.57 # Oh look, it includes a .orig file.. =/ 16.30.31 Join agm3nt [0] (i=agm3nt@nat.n3t.pl) 16.33.13 # why is the motorola thing being done on the side? 16.33.49 # they modified lcd_setmargins() ... ? 16.33.56 # jhMikeS: their choice 16.34.49 # ah, is that a margin patch perhaps 16.35.00 # Probably 16.35.12 # It's a bit hard to tell what's added for what purpose. 16.35.23 # hmm...to me, strange choice 16.35.36 # indeed 16.35.50 # jhMikeS: I think it's like the PSP Homebrew Community. The goal is to make some device do something it's not supposed to do, rather than to get involved with various projects and expand them. 16.35.53 # would be nicer to get their stuff incorporated properly 16.35.54 # It's about the phone, not about Rockbox. 16.36.50 # there's quite a lot of white space changes too 16.37.55 # jhMikeS: Probably because they started from the ipod video sim, instead of the gigabeat sim 16.37.56 # Llorean: I not sure what a device is supposed to do given it's just a darn computer running software. :\ 16.39.13 # amiconn: why from the sim? I get the impression is actually runs on the hardware or is it not a firmware replacement but a program? 16.39.23 # jhMikeS: Just meant that what I've seen from the PSP community is that it's often a "l33t h4x" feeling, with one person providing and a bunch of users receiving and not interested in source at all. 16.39.32 # it is a sim built for the linux phone 16.39.38 # so it runs as an app in that linux 16.39.54 # that's why it is a "sim" 16.40.11 # thus not really a sim :-) 16.40.19 # things do get stranger all the time 16.42.21 Join billytwowilly [0] (n=chris@CABLE-72-53-22-61.cia.com) 16.43.07 # well, if there could be a rockbox linux emulator, the circle would be complete 16.44.47 # Rockqemu 16.46.14 Quit B4gder ("It is time to say MOOO") 16.46.56 # has anyone posted a quick thank you to Blackhawk on the motorola forum ? 16.48.18 # * GodEater sees that no-one has, and so does it himself 16.51.27 # quick (perhaps OT question): is there a command to adjust sound volume in debian? Having both the SIM and host volume cranked is still way too quiet. 16.51.41 # alsamixer ? 16.51.51 # or alsamixergui if you're running X 16.52.12 # VMWare so maybe it's there? 16.52.33 # I've no idea how the sound works in VMWare - but it should still make a difference 16.53.08 # I think VMWare emulates some sort of creative card 16.53.10 # but I could be wrong 16.53.47 # our VMWare image does run X IIRC 16.53.53 # so alsamixergui should be the thing to use 16.55.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.59.22 # I just keep getting " depends on " endlessly. Stopped at "x11-common" 17.00.34 # I hate apt 17.00.59 # what were you trying to apt-get ? 17.01.07 Join freqmod [0] (n=freqmod@m072g.studby.ntnu.no) 17.01.07 # GodEater: yup 17.01.14 # which package I mean 17.02.18 # I started with "apt-get install alsamixergui" and kept adding packages and it still kept up with the dependencies 17.03.02 # is there a package which just has alsamixer in it instead ? 17.03.10 # that should have fewer deps 17.03.16 # and it'll run in a terminal window 17.03.20 Part agm3nt 17.03.21 # I'll try that one. I kinda wanted the fancy one. 17.03.36 # alsamixer is still ncurses based - it's not too bad 17.03.47 # first thing I'll do it api-get update 17.03.52 # *apt-get 17.04.05 # good idea 17.05.27 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 17.09.39 # argh, all the connections are timing out. :P I need to make a bigger image than 2GB too but I'm too lazy. 17.11.03 # or just install linux properly ? ;) 17.11.13 Quit MethoS- (Remote closed the connection) 17.11.51 Join rogelio [0] (n=rogelio@189.146.222.125) 17.12.59 Part rogelio ("Kopete 0.12.4 : http://kopete.kde.org") 17.14.13 Quit The-Compiler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.15.49 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@151.63.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 17.16.25 # how long your Sansa e200 battery lasts with original firmware? I'm testing mine and it has lasted for 17 hours and still going :o 17.16.53 # (and how long is lasts with Rockbox? i'll try it next) 17.16.57 # in-jane: I think most users have reported ~20 hours 17.17.03 # and in rockbox about ~15 17.17.55 # nice. for some reason i have thought it lasts only 15 hours with the original firmware. 17.18.57 # in-jane: it all depends on a lot of factors, how healthy you battery is, your usage pattern, your music format etc. etc. 17.20.20 # ok. good to know. 17.20.47 # slightly OT question: Does anyone understand how/what libtool does ? 17.20.47 Join senab [0] (n=chatzill@82-35-229-48.cable.ubr01.smal.blueyonder.co.uk) 17.21.16 # and why sometimes when I build stuff I get lots of "libtool: warning libXXXX seems to be moved" ? 17.22.51 Join eigma [0] (i=eigma@134.117.69.206) 17.23.14 # just got my new e280 and i have the two coloured lines at the top! 17.23.41 # GodEater: http://www.gnu.org/software/libtool/ ?? 17.23.54 # anyway, i found FS#7692, does that also fix when booting into the OF? 17.24.49 # ignore me, it's already been accepted 17.24.57 # * jhMikeS wonders if the e200 bl was changed to contain the fixed lcd init 17.25.20 # it's not 17.25.48 # well, sansapatcher isn't anyway 17.26.09 # jhMikeS: yes that's the tool - but I don't fully understand what it does 17.26.23 # I've never changed my bl personally but last I was told, the SVN one worked fine. 17.26.56 # senab: how do you find the controls ? 17.26.56 # well i've just downloaded sansapatcher and it's definetly garbled 17.27.00 # * jhMikeS reads the "What the heck is libtool?" 17.27.17 # jhMikeS: if you can decipher it - do translate into mere english for me :) 17.27.36 # godeater: different, the buttons around the wheel seam a bit hard to press but i'll get used to it 17.27.51 # the pro's outweight the cons as they say 17.28.12 # senab: I wasn't at all keen on the one I saw - but glad you think you can live with it ;) 17.28.43 # can sansapatcher install 'foreign' bootloaders? 17.29.05 # senab: you should be able to use a newere mi4. 17.29.41 # jhMikeS: sorry if i'm sounding dim but what do you mean? 17.32.27 # sansapatcher -a PP5022.mi4 but you'd need the new mi4 bootloader file. I've never actually replaced my bl yet myself. 17.33.38 # where do you get the PP5022.mi4 file from? 17.33.48 # senab: build from svn I'd imagine 17.34.20 # i've just compiled the bootloader but it's in the usual bin format 17.34.25 # mi4code 17.34.28 # you have that ? 17.34.46 # nope 17.34.50 # it's on Bagder's site 17.34.56 # daniel.haxx.se 17.35.18 # GodEater: I guess there's alot of platform-specific procedure to building shared libs and libtool is designed to hide all that and deal with the nitty-gritty stuff. 17.35.52 # that's about all I managed to glean too 17.36.01 # I still don't understand the warnings it gives me though 17.36.06 # esp. as they're sporadic 17.36.09 Quit SirFunk (Remote closed the connection) 17.37.04 # http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4code.html thats looks complicated lol 17.37.31 # not even sure what it does lol 17.37.46 # turns a .bin into a .mi4 and vice versa 17.37.47 # :) 17.38.17 # ahhhhh! 17.38.22 # * GodEater gets invited to the pub, and decides to go 17.38.27 # curse you!"¤!" 17.38.56 # mi4code build .bin 17.39.21 # thanks ;) 17.39.31 # maybe it's encrypt instead. I did it one time. 17.40.11 # i think you need a mi4 to encrypt first 17.40.46 Quit ivan` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.41.04 # infact reading the description, they both sound similar 17.41.10 # yes. you need to build a bootloader. I thought it built the mi4 17.41.11 Join ivan` [0] (n=ivan`@adsl-71-143-7-140.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) 17.42.38 # * jhMikeS does a bootloader build real quick 17.42.46 # i've built the bootloader already, im just working out what to do next 17.44.43 # guess I'll work it out and replace mine too 17.45.11 # think i'll leave it for a bit 17.45.23 # i can live without using the OF anyway 17.45.34 # the mi4 is right there after building the bl 17.46.11 # god, im a tw*t 17.46.27 # * senab slaps forehead 17.47.10 # * jhMikeS has a new bootloader now 17.47.20 # do i need to uninstall the previus bootloader first? 17.47.28 # no 17.48.11 # cheers, just done it 17.48.33 # i can live without using the OF anyway <--- how are you going to get music on to it 17.48.51 # senab: do tell me if the problem goes away or not 17.48.55 # advcomp2019: i meant using it as a player 17.49.03 # jhMikeS: all sorted now 17.49.09 # thanks for your help 17.49.11 # ok 17.49.28 Join Sippin45 [0] (n=sippin45@pool-71-178-72-220.washdc.east.verizon.net) 17.49.41 # adevcomp2019: i can live with the two lines at the top just for MSC 17.51.11 # Can any1 tell me where to get a precompiled build of [sncviewer plugin for Ipod-4G]? 17.51.29 # senab: did the lines go away or not? 17.52.01 # jhMikeS: ^^^ "all sorted now" yes they did, thanks 17.52.06 # ah...excellent 17.52.31 # next step... port my WPSs 17.53.39 # one thing i did find with the bootloader is that if no rockbox.e200 file is found it just stops 17.53.55 # on the ipod, it then proceeded to load the OF 17.55.17 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@206-159-155-246.netsync.net) 17.55.18 # since it was change from rockbox.e200 to rockbox.mi4, a bootloader made before that change might not work right. 17.55.58 # true 17.58.35 Quit Sippin45 () 18.00.42 Quit senab ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518]") 18.01.40 Quit einhirn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.01.53 # * jhMikeS thinks he said another sense thing just then. what's new. :P 18.02.00 # senseless even 18.02.20 # does the album art need to have a certain name or can it just be artist.bmp, etc 18.03.28 # depends on how you have album art set up 18.03.44 # if it's in the folder itself, it's cover.bmp 18.04.00 # there's also an option for it to be Album Title.bmp, but it's all in the wiki page 18.04.14 # oh, crap i forgot to look there 18.13.37 Join thegeek [0] (i=thegeek@dhcp-105-253.idi.ntnu.no) 18.15.34 Quit qweru ("moo") 18.15.35 Quit Nic0_P (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.18.35 Quit SirFunk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.23.38 Join jeeger [0] (n=jeeger@p54ABB2BB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.24.18 # Little question: Is the iPod infinite reboot with auto power off now fixed? Because now, if I attach my wall charger, I see a little 'plug' icon in the upper left, and the battery icon changes. 18.26.34 Quit obo ("bye") 18.27.19 # Seems like it. I have now been charging for more than one minute, and no shutdown. Three Cheers for the developers! I love you^^ 18.34.46 Quit thegeek () 18.38.59 Join thegeek [0] (i=thegeek@dhcp-105-253.idi.ntnu.no) 18.43.12 Join ackbahr [0] (n=ackbahr@d83-180-95-247.cust.tele2.ch) 18.43.34 Part jeeger 18.45.28 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@pD955D3C1.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.50.32 Quit ackbahr (Remote closed the connection) 18.53.23 # umm 18.55.07 Join Buschel [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3F61C.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.56.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.57.00 Quit eigma () 18.58.44 Join ackbahr [0] (n=ackbahr@d83-180-95-247.cust.tele2.ch) 19.05.04 # jhMikeS: you there? 19.10.22 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-069-134-102-044.nc.res.rr.com) 19.14.23 # can anyone tell me how many wheelclicks per full rotation (360°) a sansa has? 19.17.45 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-208-127.student.uu.se) 19.19.00 Join eigma [0] (n=cat@134.117.254.250) 19.22.09 # Buschel: I'd really have to do a good reading. I don't think anyone did a count yet. 19.23.46 Join atsea-57 [0] (i=atsea-@gateway/tor/x-abe28c36d08386b7) 19.28.07 Join senab [0] (n=chatzill@82-35-229-48.cable.ubr01.smal.blueyonder.co.uk) 19.29.52 # jhMikeS: ok. so I will assume 64 at a first shot? I just found time to change the interface to degree/sec instead of wheelclicks. for this I need to define this value somewhere (current in config-...h) 19.30.43 Quit atsea-101 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.32.39 Quit thegeek (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.33.13 # is there anyway to stop the sansa OF stopp refreshing the database on load? lol 19.33.17 Join ackbahr_ [0] (n=ackbahr@d83-189-131-225.cust.tele2.ch) 19.33.50 # I counted like 56 just by counting list movements but I don't trust it since it varies. I need a test directly in the driver. 19.34.21 # ok, so 64 is ok for a first shot? 19.34.30 # senab: there's some #define in the bl to stop it but it's dependent on OF version 19.34.43 # Buschel: sure. I'll do a count shortly since I'm curious too 19.35.01 Quit ackbahr_ (Remote closed the connection) 19.38.33 # started porting my WPSs for the E200. Slant: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12686.0 19.44.03 Join obo [0] (n=obo@rockbox/developer/obo) 19.44.25 # could a committer take a look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7752 and http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7765? 19.46.11 Quit ackbahr (Connection timed out) 19.47.23 # Buschel: All ipods have 96 clicks/rotation, so that seems to be a common value... 19.48.21 # That applies to the mechanical wheel (1st gen) and the touch/clickwheels of the later models 19.50.40 Quit obo (Remote closed the connection) 19.52.09 # amiconn: good news. then I will move the define for this value to the driver. 19.54.33 # With the Sansa having discrete clicks, can't you just count them? 19.56.13 Join obo [0] (n=obo@rockbox/developer/obo) 19.57.36 # Llorean: not from the UI. I count something different every time so I'll just splash it up in the driver really quickly. 19.58.16 # eigma: I comitted fs#7765, I'm not very familiar with ata and multivolume stuff so I'll leave fs#7752 to someone else 19.58.26 # okay, thanks 20.00.06 # jhMikeS: I meant in debug, or as a plugin, or some other way that isn't going to skip steps. 20.01.12 Join webguest75 [0] (i=a64d0604@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2f048b72d06c4667) 20.01.17 # it won't skip steps just to count it in the ISR 20.01.52 # eigma, n1s: fs#7752 is looking good. I'll check - the Ondio sim should also crash when checking sizes without that patch.... 20.03.48 Quit webguest75 (Client Quit) 20.04.04 # it's 48 20.04.13 # So, 1/2 the number of iPods 20.04.16 # yup 20.04.42 # this explains that you need other setting :o) 20.09.27 Join DarkED [0] (n=darked@adsl-065-012-158-225.sip.clt.bellsouth.net) 20.09.29 Join Frazz [0] (n=Fraser@thelawsons.plus.com) 20.09.30 # hey all 20.09.40 # i'm using the newest rockbox with my 5th gen ipod video 20.10.06 # i'm curious, is there a PSF plugin? i figured there might be since there's an SPC plugin... 20.10.10 # Buschel: Btw, a hardware dependent value should not be defined in the config-*.h files unless it is absolutely necessary 20.10.35 # I'd thinkg button-target.h would be a good place for the number of wheel clicks/rotation 20.11.11 # amiconn: I wanted it there as a means for users of the data to obtain a revs/s count if they want that. Where else should it go? 20.11.19 # amiconn: you're right, corrected that. The defines are placed within in the driver.c's as this is the only place where there are used 20.11.55 # it should be public info imo 20.12.27 # * pixelma just noticed that all the slightly bigger binaries of Archos targets were all compiled on Slasheri's "ihme" client (not the "xen.ihme") 20.12.34 # button-target.h is included in button.h 20.12.44 # so... guess there's no psf codec 20.12.55 # right, so I guess that's about the ideal spot 20.14.10 # * jhMikeS removes the liquid paper mark from the wheel 20.14.41 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 20.16.12 Quit senab ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518]") 20.16.29 # * petur is now the proud owner of an h320 as well :) 20.18.54 # * alienbiker99 needs to get a new battery for my H320 20.18.56 # petur: the H380 died? 20.19.05 # no, I wanted a backup 20.19.06 # the differences for arm targets are all caused by "deepthought" (which is ender`s) and the info states a slightly different arm-elf-gcc (4.0.4) and arm-elf-ld (2.17) 20.19.49 # Now I might try the new bootloader and tweak the IDE access to see if that is what fails on my h380 20.21.33 # petur, wahts the new bootloader? 20.21.46 # usb charging & co 20.21.56 # petur: it might be that the bootloader now is compiled with -Os 20.22.27 # n1s: and? 20.23.02 # petur: that change broke a couple of delay loops in some drivers, maybe the same happened to the bl 20.23.44 # how can i test this new bl? 20.25.25 # n1s: does the sim still have a bit more delay in it? would you mind testing a couple one-liner patches? 20.25.34 # petur: Now get a 60GB single platter and make an ata50-zif adapter ;) 20.25.55 # * petur drools 20.28.01 # jhMikeS: yup still takes about 5 sec to start it, and sure I can test 20.28.36 # ffffff 20.29.25 # * petur sighs... drowned in work :( 20.29.26 # n1s: ok, thanks. I'll link-up in a sec. 20.30.06 # what do I exactly have to type in a printf to get "°"? 20.30.38 # http://jhmikes.cleansoap.org/thread-sdl_one_last_tweek_1.patch http://jhmikes.cleansoap.org/thread-sdl_one_last_tweek_2.patch 20.31.10 # jhMikeS: should I test them separately or together? 20.31.20 Join tictoc [0] (i=tabac@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xB9002659) 20.31.25 # separately, removing one first 20.31.36 Join misaer [0] (n=datachil@217-208-144-87-no75.tbcn.telia.com) 20.31.49 # if one is better than the other, tell me which 20.32.33 # Buschel: Rockbox uses UTF-8 internally, so just insert the degree sign in UTF-8 20.33.19 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 20.33.51 # is that temp. degrees or angular degrees ? :p I hoping the latter. 20.34.14 # The sign is the same... 20.34.46 # lol. of course. I'm wondering which context is intended. 20.35.25 # jhMikeS: ok, with #1 it's as snappy as it used to be, with #2 its as slow as without the patch 20.35.32 # I would think it's angular degrees 20.36.06 # yep :) 20.36.22 # me too. just making sure because I don't want a 360-degree wheel. ;) 20.37.11 # ? 20.37.59 Quit eigma (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.38.52 # Ondio sim does indeed segfault when entering "Rockbox Info"... 20.39.09 Join m4z3 [0] (n=eh@CPE-76-177-169-180.natsoe.res.rr.com) 20.39.25 # jhMikeS: why not? Get used to it ;) 20.39.49 # n1s: interesting...and thanks for checking 20.40.04 # pixelma: guess I'll need some good oven mits 20.40.44 # * amiconn is a bit slow today... 20.40.54 # jhMikeS: just updated the scrollwheel-patch with new interface, I'm interested in your opinion :) 20.41.09 # Buschel: I'll try shortly 20.41.16 Nick misaer is now known as datachild (n=datachil@217-208-144-87-no75.tbcn.telia.com) 20.43.43 # jhMikeS: Depends on what scale the 360 degrees use ;) 20.44.51 # well, if it's K it might be ok 20.46.03 Quit obo ("bye") 20.48.46 Join ^JimmyRidge^ [0] (i=nobody@EV-ESR-74-215-26-69.fuse.net) 20.50.26 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518]") 20.51.07 # hmm 20.51.11 # Bagder: around? 20.54.32 # <^JimmyRidge^> is there a linux rockbox installer 20.54.39 # Buschel: compiling now 20.55.08 # <^JimmyRidge^> well yeah i kno therre is one i just cant find it agian 20.56.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.56.19 # <^JimmyRidge^> ipod nano 20.59.14 # ^JimmyRidge^: Start by reading the manual, perhaps? 20.59.19 # ^JimmyRidge^: what does the manual tell you? 20.59.27 # too slow... 20.59.43 # <^JimmyRidge^> im soo happy 20.59.53 # <^JimmyRidge^> im buying a nano 1st gen today 20.59.59 # <^JimmyRidge^> for 90$ 21.00.38 # <^JimmyRidge^> screw my greyscale 4thgen :P 21.01.24 # Buschel: slow mode seems to be gone. it's not really controllable anymore. 21.02.04 # jhMikeS: hmm, you cannot reach the config? 21.04.12 # I did and set it to the highest velocity. it's not working right. it jumps list items even with small, slow movements now. 21.05.13 # i can't explain :/ the changes for sansa wre copied from mine for ipod. for ipod it works 21.06.30 Join jeeger [0] (n=jeeger@p54ABB2BB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.07.21 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 21.07.54 # well, I remove the patch now and compare again 21.08.02 # *I'll 21.10.43 # yep, goes back to being controllable again 21.13.03 Join eigma [0] (i=eigma@134.117.69.206) 21.13.06 # I think I see why. WHEEL_FAST_ON/OFF_INTERVAL and such isn't rescaled to the new units. 21.13.33 # damn! you're right -- my fault 21.13.52 # leave the intervals in raw uS though. 21.14.47 # and if you apply *360/WHEELCLICKS_PER_ROTATION to these is works? 21.17.55 # I'll check it 21.18.45 # btw, found another bug: >1 means >=2 when using integer :/ so, the configuration range and defaults must be changed... 21.22.03 Quit ompaul (Remote closed the connection) 21.22.58 # man, I can't get it into fast mode at all now 21.23.05 Quit desowin ("use linux") 21.24.24 Quit The-Compiler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.27.01 # jhMikeS: a simple idea -> apply the *360/WHEELCLICKS_PER_ROTATION to wheel_velocity just within the queue_post. this way the other calculations are not tocued 21.27.09 # *touched 21.28.49 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul) 21.28.51 Join jaczehack [0] (i=d572f78c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9d6611aa7738c471) 21.29.53 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 21.31.26 Join Kid_Buu [0] (i=yLiquiHi@c83-254-235-177.bredband.comhem.se) 21.32.03 # hi... im reading the manual right now for e280.. and it says i have to go into MSC mode ... but evrytime I do that.. the whole unit freezes and then it gives me a hardware error.. cant i use USB instead? 21.32.22 # bugger. think I have to reboot. usb is borked here. 21.32.53 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.33.00 # jhMikeS: how did you rescale the FAST_ON/FAST_OFF constants? 21.33.18 # nvm 21.34.03 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 21.34.15 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@bas3-montreal28-1279372579.dsl.bell.ca) 21.35.55 # would anyone object if I remove the ability to restart in chessbox through a button press/button combo? You can now restart through the menu and on X5/M5 the old defined button combo never worked. By restarting through the menu only it won't happen accidentally as it could happen now. 21.37.05 # on targets where the button combo works, of course. 21.37.17 # buschel. I rescaled the constants. I'm going to leave internal operations raw though and just convert for the queue_post 21.37.38 # * jhMikeS has to wait for the VMWare to reboot 21.37.48 # pixelma: sounds like a good idea 21.39.24 # after i installed the bootloader .. my e280 player is now displaying writting on the LCD .. is that normal? should I disconnect my player now? 21.41.48 Quit chrisjs169 (Remote closed the connection) 21.42.07 # jhMikeS: I'll do the same to be able to post a working patch soon 21.42.29 Quit hcs ("Leaving.") 21.45.01 # oops...no wonder the accel got away...forgot to divide it by WHEELCLICKS_PER_ROTATION :P 21.45.13 # n1s: thanks for the opinion 21.45.15 # in the queue_post 21.47.20 Quit Kid_Buu () 21.48.16 # Buschel: shouldn't degrees/s have a voiced unit too? 21.48.37 Join webguest48 [0] (i=47f4631d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c6ce70e73cc7caaf) 21.48.45 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 21.48.49 # hi? 21.49.30 # i dont even know what an irc is... 21.49.37 # jhMikeS: never coped with that 21.49.55 # does it work now? then I would like to update the patch 21.50.05 # could you guys help me with rockbox? 21.50.23 # the settings range does need tweaking but it works fine now. 712.5 is where it began by default 21.50.50 Join willb3 [0] (n=willb@192.18.43.225) 21.51.12 # webguest48: just ask your question.. 21.51.45 # oh ummm 21.51.50 # you guys didnt really answer 21.51.54 # so i didnt say anything 21.52.04 # so the max setting is pretty much like svn is. 180 just flies though about 1100 entries in 2 turnes. heh 21.52.04 # i need help editing a .wps 21.52.17 # i just got rockbox yesterday 21.52.28 # and i like a WPS i found yesterday 21.52.39 # but it displays things i dont want to see 21.52.57 # and i edit it in notepad and i have no idea what im doing ... 21.53.17 Quit webguest48 (Client Quit) 21.53.23 Join webguest48 [0] (i=47f4631d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6653ebe6223b4353) 21.53.26 # ahhh! 21.53.28 # crap 21.53.33 # webguest48: take a look at: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS 21.53.45 # im not even sure what an irc is 21.53.53 # this is irc .. :-) 21.54.08 # well 21.54.12 # i read all that 21.54.21 # i deleted the %xxxxxx i didnt want 21.54.25 # and it got all f'd up 21.54.48 # webguest48: Put your wps code in a pastebin so we can look 21.54.55 # ummm 21.54.57 # jhMikeS: updated the patch in flyspray, hopefully this version works for sansa now. 21.54.57 # heres 2 links 21.54.58 # http://www.sendspace.com/file/n7uhrw 21.55.10 # wait 21.55.21 # Buschel: what about the skip count. this provides load independence to the velocity since it's not squared. 21.55.23 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12689.msg95945#msg95945 21.55.30 # that too 21.56.08 # heres some info you might need i guess? i have a 30gb and im using todays daily build 21.56.21 # webguest48: can you paste the code into www.pastebin.ca and give me the link? I don't want to start downloading things from download sites 21.56.23 # and I'm not referring to "v" but to the cursor speed. 21.56.33 # webguest48: 30gb iPod Video? 21.56.36 # jhMikeS: for sansa yes, that's the way it worked before. for ipod the skip count is squared as well 21.56.49 Join chrisjs169 [0] (n=jack@pool-71-114-128-205.hrbgpa.dsl-w.verizon.net) 21.57.10 # and you should use the current build (which changes many times per day), not daily, but I doubt it matters in this case 21.57.16 Quit nerochiaro (Remote closed the connection) 21.57.27 Join nerochiaro [0] (n=nerochia@adsl203-164-174.mclink.it) 21.57.31 # ummm 21.57.32 # ok 21.57.38 # ill go to the paste bin thing 21.57.44 # mmm...yes, but why? that way if the list view can only process half as many messages, the list speed will quadruple for the same wheel speed. 21.57.45 # i didnt know what you were talking about 21.58.12 # no problem 21.58.13 # i have no idea what pastebin is.... 21.58.36 # It lets you paste text, and is really useful for error output, or pieces of code to let others see it 21.58.48 # the sendspace link is a .zip i made, it contains the .wps and the .bmps that display 21.58.57 # its not a virus or w/e 21.59.03 # jhMikeS: if you transmit the skip count for ipod the scrolling is not controllable (tested with my ipod). this seems to happen as all skips with <=4 are ignored. 22.00.02 # http://www.pastebin.ca/696233 22.00.03 # webguest48: I don't disbelieve you, but I hate clicking through loads of crap, typing in numbers etc. Also, I'm on linux so a virus in it would be pretty harmless :) 22.00.11 # try that i guess? 22.00.13 # webguest48: Cheers, looking now 22.00.21 # i just pasted the /wps crap from notepad 22.00.52 # brb taking some advil, this is frustrating and cuase me to get a headache... 22.01.09 # jhMikeS: that's why I only wanted to transfer the velocity, square it and find a factor which will lead to scroll 1 for <=xy °/s and >1 for >xy °/s 22.02.16 # jhMikeS: nevertheless haptics feels good :) 22.03.08 Quit webguest48 ("CGI:IRC") 22.03.13 # Buschel: how would skips <= 4 be ignored? 22.03.14 Join webguest48 [0] (i=47f4631d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b96956aea5542f1c) 22.03.18 # omg 22.03.27 # i dont know what im doing on this irc thingy... 22.03.32 # i keep logging out somehow 22.03.49 # and you keep not selecting a sensible nick... 22.04.23 # jhMikeS: driver says skip<4 && skip>-4 -> ignore (BUTTON_NONE). maybe to avoid list scroll with jittery fingers? 22.04.40 Quit webguest48 (Client Quit) 22.04.51 Join webguest48 [0] (i=47f4631d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e85c5aa8022fb881) 22.05.08 # are you still there BigBambi? 22.05.09 # jhMikeS: I did not fully rework the driver, but patched the acceleration into it ;o) 22.05.38 # webguest48: yep, it takes a little looking through the syntax on WPS files - I haven't made on for ages 22.05.42 # *one 22.05.51 # well 22.05.53 # Buschel: When I did the sansa driver, I dumped all the old logic except for the determination of direction to not rely on such stuff from an older implementation. 22.06.04 # i dunno how your going to help unless you put it on a video ipod 22.06.09 # webguest48, if you're having problems with a WPS, grab a simulator and run it with --debugwps 22.06.24 # i just told you i got rockbox yesterday 22.06.28 # webguest48: The Sim is the obvious place, especially as you can make it output debugging info 22.06.33 # im not teh 1337 haxxor like you guys 22.06.43 # jhMikeS: maybe that's the next step when the acceleration stuff is finished 22.06.44 # never say anything like that again. 22.06.50 # sorry 22.06.56 # heh, nor are any people here :) 22.07.04 # it's a ridiculous term 22.07.15 # but the sim WILL tell you what's broken, so you can fix it 22.07.21 # WPS syntax is really not that tough 22.07.22 # well the progress bar thing that fills up isnt even in the box thing 22.07.48 # Buschel: I would've removed that an implemented the hysteresis or something more analagous to a drag rectangle in a GUI. When you touch it, you have to move it far enough before the first event happens. 22.07.58 Nick parafin is now known as parafin|away (i=parafin@paraf.in) 22.07.58 # So it works but is misaligned, or do you just get the default WPS? (The one with tiny writing and peakmeters) 22.08.19 Quit jaczehack ("CGI:IRC") 22.08.24 # brb 22.08.49 # oh umm 22.08.59 # it displays the EscapePod one 22.09.08 # its not default with little letters 22.09.50 # webguest48: OK, so there is nothing wrong with the syntax - if there were it would display the default one 22.09.58 # jhMikeS: does the updated patch work now? if so, I would be interested in your proposal for settings-range and defaults 22.10.09 # So I'm guessing that the text shows OK, but the images are wrong? 22.11.04 # yes the text shows and all the images show 22.11.11 # the progress bar is just messed up 22.11.17 # OK 22.11.26 # one moment 22.11.26 # and i want the kbps/year of the song / other crap gone 22.11.35 # i downloaded the sim thingy 22.11.36 # hold on 22.12.11 # webguest48: to remove that info is fairly easy - check the CustomWPS page to find what string displays it and delete it 22.12.25 # i did delete lines 22.12.29 # and it got messed up 22.12.37 # i deleted the things i wanted gone 22.12.44 # i was on the custom wps pages 22.13.10 # webguest48: The WPS is line based - if you remove a line with text you need to insert a blank line so the following lines stay where they were 22.13.20 # webguest48: if you delete lines, insert empty lines, so that the res keeps aligned.. 22.13.21 # Buschel: will check. I really would suggest dumping old filtering schemes first and working clean. 22.13.27 # Domonoky: I win! 22.13.33 # :-) 22.13.36 # i put extra lines back in 22.13.40 # petur: if you don't want to bump into troubles (assuming that you will compile your bootloader) make sure that you will compile revision 12547 22.13.41 # and it was still screwed up 22.13.46 # jhMikeS: would be great if you could just post your suggestions (range, default) to flyspray. I better gotta go now -- my wife's a bit unrelaxed about me still hanging around in front of the computer ;o) 22.14.04 # petur: versions further than that will make the bootloader to hang when you try to load Rockbox 22.14.07 Quit Domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.14.32 # webguest48: Which tags do you want removed? 22.14.39 # (well not sure which version after that spawns the problem but that is the one I am using right now) 22.14.40 # Buschel: I'll look into that. See you later. 22.14.51 # bye 22.14.53 Quit Buschel () 22.15.08 # ummm 22.15.09 # hold on 22.16.00 # i want: the year the track is/ the track number / the kbps gone 22.16.16 # i want it to say : song / artist/ album 22.17.06 # what is disk spindown? 22.17.15 # What are the %xx tags for year/tracknum/bitrate? (I can't be bothered to look them up myself) 22.17.21 # XavierGr: is somebody looking into what the problem is? 22.17.31 # hold on 22.17.42 Quit ompaul ("enter sandman^wsendmail") 22.17.45 # Frazz: How long the disk waits idle before spinning down. 22.17.54 # I tried but I never managed to see what's wrong 22.18.03 # what do you mean by spinning down? 22.18.06 # petur: same problem applies for all coldfire iriver targets 22.18.12 # hmmm 22.18.18 # it will hang on a SET_REG macro 22.18.42 Join actionshrimp [0] (n=nn@host81-153-178-57.range81-153.btcentralplus.com) 22.18.54 # XavierGr: I'll check it out when I find the time, hope some time this month :( 22.18.54 # %iy = year (which i want gone) 22.18.57 # someone else got an opinion about restarting in chessbox (re. my question about 45 minutes ago)? 22.19.06 # pixelma: I agre with you 22.19.14 # petur: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7533 22.19.27 # %in= track # (which i want gone) 22.19.30 # I would rather go to a menu to restart than accidental lose a long game 22.20.01 # % fs and %fv also 22.20.04 # thanks 22.20.25 # i want %iy/%in/%fs/%fv 22.20.35 # webguest48: are you sure it's not the default wps you are seeing, just with a bigger font? 22.20.38 # and the progress bar fixed 22.20.40 # if you can 22.20.49 # what is meant by hard disk spinning down? 22.20.58 # yes im sure its not the default WPS 22.21.33 # Frazz: It stops spinning = saves power, but takes longer to then spin up again before you can access it 22.22.40 # webguest48: I may be being blind but I can't see %iy in the WPS you posted 22.23.14 # and there is no way to keep it spinning for as long as the player is on? 22.23.42 # Frazz: why you would want that? 22.23.51 # Frazz: why? 22.24.32 # so there is no pause whe i use it again 22.24.33 Join bluebrother [0] (i=DGkAFYFM@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 22.24.36 # wen* 22.24.39 # when* 22.25.26 # Frazz: use dircahce 22.25.33 # Sorry, dircache 22.25.53 # Keeping the disk spinning all the time would drain the battery *very* fast, and would cause a very high risk for the disk becoming damaged 22.26.10 # It caches your directory structure to ram so browsing is instant without needing to spin the disk up 22.26.45 # so when does the disk spin? 22.26.55 # If you use dircache to load music 22.27.07 # If you don't use dircache when you want to browse directories 22.27.15 # * as well 22.27.23 # i see 22.27.33 # also when you start a plugin 22.27.53 # i need to leave now ... 22.27.58 # if you can fix the .wps 22.28.06 # post it in my rockboxforum thread 22.28.10 # Yes, true. Basically dircache (and I think load to RAM for database), stops spinning on browsing and speeds it up 22.28.19 # will changing tracks start it spinning with cache on? 22.28.23 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12689.msg95945#msg95945 22.28.29 # thanks in advance 22.28.31 # webguest48: I'm not sure how, as some of the tags you say you want removed are not there in the first place 22.28.37 # o 22.28.48 # Frazz: Only if they are not buffered 22.28.56 # well thanks in advance 22.29.12 # Frazz: maybe you should just use rockbox for a while, then you know all these things :) 22.29.18 # Selecting a new playlist will have to spin the disk to load music, but skippig to the next song shouldn't as it is already in RAM 22.29.36 # Next song in an already playing playlist that is 22.30.02 # i have been using rockbox for a while, but i have no way learn without asking or reading :p 22.30.06 # webguest48: Sorry not to help more, but to be honest, most people who know WPS do forums more than here 22.30.26 # ok then 22.30.36 # And they probably haven't answered as you put a link to megaupload or whatever, and like me they didn't bother to click through to look 22.30.39 # its been in the forum for an hour 22.30.42 # with no help 22.30.54 # an hour isn't that long! 22.31.08 # the one thread got a post from a mob in <8 minutes 22.31.25 Quit actionshrimp ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )") 22.31.25 # webguest48: You're asking for specialized help from people who may not check the forum more than once a day. 22.31.29 # try putting the pastebin link on there as well, and don't forget to use modify (instead of double posting) 22.31.45 Quit jeeger (""Me (heart) bitlbee"") 22.32.07 # ok 22.32.14 # Do not judge based on responses to other threads as relevant at all to the response time to your thread. You're also asking people to do something *for* you, which has instructions on the CustomWPS page 22.32.18 # i dont remeber the pastebin link though 22.32.25 # So many people may not respond just because they think you need to read and learn to do it yourself. 22.32.47 # webguest48: Either look in the history or log for the link, or just paste it again 22.32.55 # 1. i just started rockbox yesterday 2. i tried doing the .wps thing my self and messed it up more 22.33.10 # I didn't say I thought that, just that many of them might. 22.33.17 # webguest48: It is fine to ask for help, Llorean is just explaining why it may take a little while 22.33.19 Quit webguest48 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.33.36 # But in response to 1) Every WPS author started on some day, and 2) Try again, if nobody responds it may be the only way to do it. 22.33.58 # I don't make WPSes, so I can't be of any help at all. 22.34.10 # BigBambi: ehmm... I see a %iy 22.34.40 # pixelma: Oops! I did say I might be being blind, but if he didn't look and tell me where.... 22.36.34 # * XavierGr is tempted to buy an e280 22.36.40 # BigBambi: I'm 22.37.04 # how much would someone consider a good price for it? 22.37.15 # pixelma: That was cryptic :) 22.37.15 # still thinking he sees the default fallback (with the font and graphics of his 22.37.30 # XavierGr: within the eu? 22.37.49 # pixelma: I thought when it failed you got the complete default? 22.38.05 # yeah, something is up today with me pressing enter too quickly (happened to me a few times already) 22.38.21 Join lastebil [0] (n=truck@cube.lomal.la) 22.38.25 # XavierGr: german sites sell it for a little over 90 euros 22.38.28 # Bagder:yes 22.38.39 # But I don't make WPSs so I wasn't the best person to be helping him. I just felt public spirited for some weird reason 22.38.41 # hmmm a local shop here sells it for 150€ 22.38.48 # hmm... maybe you are right - except the font 22.39.08 # hm, only one at that 93 euro, then it goes above 100 22.39.25 # FYI: http://www.yagma.com/on/demandware.store/Sites-YAG-Site/de_DE/Link-Product?sku=10000037433&PartnerID=ZANOX&ProgramID=1019346544714854400 22.40.13 # can anyone point me to the sid, mod, xm, or it plugins for rockbox? (I _swear_ I found them a while ago; it's why I wanted a device that could use rockbox) 22.41.05 # lastebil: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs#Current_status 22.41.22 Quit seablue ("life, death, life, death") 22.41.25 # thank you. I just spent half an hour searching via google etc, just didn't find it. 22.42.17 # lastebil: sid is the only one included by default, mod is available in a patch and xm I dunno 22.42.45 # Bagder: does the sansa e200 has the standard mini-b usb plug? 22.42.56 # XavierGr: no, its a custom plug 22.43.01 # damn.... 22.43.10 # * pixelma is tempted to buy a c200... 22.43.24 # until now all my mp3 players have the same mini-b plug 22.43.31 # yay for standards 22.43.48 # n1s: ok. this means I didn't put the sid files anywhere... silly of me 22.43.58 # * lastebil goes to look on how to compile the mod player 22.44.14 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 22.44.20 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.44.30 # and perhaps in a few months I can attempt to port .xm and .it over, tho that will require... time. 22.45.31 # * amiconn thinks the mod player should be committed 22.45.55 # It works quite nicely, just 2 quirks which shouldn't be too difficult to fix 22.46.27 # (1) Elapsed time doesn't represent realtime, but patterns played. 22.47.02 # amiconn: (1) is the same for the sid codec 22.47.24 # (2) Mods larger than the remaining codec ram (~485KB) are loaded by cannot be played properly (missing samples, replaced by varying squeaking noises) 22.47.48 # They should be rejected for now, until we have a method to handle contiguous data in the main buffer 22.50.16 # n1s: I think that (1) can be fixed, but doing so requires parsing all patterns on load for tempo changes 22.50.32 Quit Frazz (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.51.04 Quit freqmod (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.53.21 # amiconn: quite frankly, mods larger than 485kb wouldn't play on an Amiga 500 without expansion ram... well, ok, they might on a minimal player. But probably only after doing some bitplane tricks (: 22.53.51 # so I'm with you on that... but yes there would need to be some 'advanced' stuff done for the 'modern' ones. 22.54.20 # I know... but many amigas have more than 512KB chip ram :) 22.54.27 # (mine has) 22.54.39 # well, all mine do too (: but. back in the day and all that (: 22.55.08 # * amiconn still uses an amiga, in addition to his linux and windows boxes 22.55.50 # amiconn: What for? 22.55.56 # * lastebil still uses his, in addition to his morphos, osX, and linux boxen... so I imagine you understand why I wanted this. 22.56.00 # Mainly email 22.56.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.56.05 # OK 22.56.22 # bigbambi: I use mine for demos, coding, playing music, doing graphics, and occasionally playing a game or two. 22.56.25 # amiconn: thanks :) 22.57.56 # oh, and comparing the sound of the original mod played in protracker or soundtracker to emulation playback. 22.58.02 Quit HellDragon (Client Quit) 22.58.51 # chrisjs169: ping 22.59.56 # eigma: Thanks for your nice little patches as well :) 23.00.22 Quit hoobop ("quitting") 23.01.01 Quit RudMan (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference") 23.06.15 # lastebil: nice nick 23.07.23 # preglow: can't tell you how many people I confuse with it, though. 23.07.47 # what's there to be confused about? it's a very literal nick :P 23.07.50 # amiconn: do you happen to have the modplayer compiled, as I don't have the environment set up for compilation yet. 23.08.11 # Sure, but most probably not for your target 23.08.14 # preglow: well, I'm an American living in Finland. Start there, and many people can't quite figure it out. 23.08.27 # amiconn: ah yes. good point. mine is sansa. 23.08.32 # Unless that happens to be either a 1st/2nd gen ipod, or a H10 5/6GB 23.08.44 # nope. right, I shall compile this tommorrow night. 23.09.07 # lastebil: not quite the background i would have expected, no 23.10.58 Join HellDragon [0] (n=Nocebo@unaffiliated/helldragon) 23.15.05 Join ddalton [0] (n=daniel@203-214-50-20.dyn.iinet.net.au) 23.15.19 # How do I make .talk clips for files using cygwin? 23.16.00 Quit atsea-57 (Remote closed the connection) 23.16.07 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@206-159-155-246.netsync.net) 23.20.32 Quit jurrie_ ("Leaving") 23.23.38 # ] 23.23.53 # * maxkelley comes around. 23.24.55 # lastebil: sansa... which? 23.25.20 # I could compile whatever for you. 23.25.25 Join aridkillzone [0] (i=42b04f89@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-28895f75f0f5a355) 23.25.45 # ehhhh... stupid problems with the ipod nano and rockbox... 23.26.12 # I need help, if anyone can tell me where to get an old rockbox biuld that actually plays music? 23.26.37 Join TheNickDe [0] (n=nicholas@ip68-14-79-70.ri.ri.cox.net) 23.26.46 Quit TheNickDe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.27.07 # is anyone available here? 23.27.21 # sorry, I'm already married 23.27.23 # :-P 23.27.26 # lol 23.27.34 # nah i need help with my nano 23.28.43 # My 80gig is running everything on Rockbox perfectly but my nano has a lot of bugs apparently with new builds and I guess I need an old build for the nano that lets the music database load and play 23.29.02 # those nano problems truly are annoying 23.29.03 # is there anyone who can help me? 23.29.08 # aridkillzone: the forums mention 13990 as the last working build iirc 23.29.10 # yeah I know 23.29.54 # isn't there a test build in one of the threads (I believe there are at least 2) that works? 23.30.29 # Ummmm, where can I get the build? The oldest build on the rockbox page is sometime late August if i'm correct. That build still doesnt work and i need a place where i can find the working one 23.30.40 Quit MethoS- (Remote closed the connection) 23.31.23 # try http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ipodnano/ 23.31.34 # aridkillzone: either find an unofficial build like pixelma suggested or use svn to check out the source from the right day and compile yourself 23.31.35 # some of the download mirrors keep very old packages 23.33.24 # aridkillzone: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=11504.msg89243#msg89243 - I _think_ I read that the test1 build works, but please read more in the thread and decide yourself 23.36.09 # n1s: just want to confirm before committing the change. sim patch version #1 was definitely the one? 23.36.11 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 23.36.29 # jhMikeS: yes 23.36.52 # great 23.37.58 # Yup, delay when starting, buffering, switching wps etc, gone :-) 23.39.46 # while there are a few people around... I got a patch here to enable all the plugins on the c200 that don't need any additional graphics. The only thing is that it incorporats some ugly "ifndef SANSA_C200" im the plugins/SOURCES file. Would that still be ok since it's only temporary? 23.40.41 # I'm trying to add the needed graphics the next days so it shouldn't be that way for long 23.40.46 # sure 23.41.22 # add a comment about it in the file or in the commit message and it'll be fine 23.41.48 # ok will do 23.41.54 # thanks for the link I'm gonna try that right now but i'll be back for sure. 23.41.57 # ^_^ 23.45.20 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 23.45.36 # * pixelma typing even worse today... 23.48.57 # Bagder: did you see my comment on the the different build servers earlier? 23.49.21 # how do I make voicebox say the file extention? 23.49.26 # Or record it? 23.49.35 # pixelma: do you know if those servers use different archs? 23.49.37 # and how do you use voicebox on linux? 23.49.47 # pixelma: no... at what time, roughly? 23.49.55 # n1s: not at all 23.49.59 # jhMikeS: that commit didn't exactly work wonders here... 23.50.05 # (I don't know I mean) 23.50.07 # jhMikeS: rockboxui is now at 100% cpu, more or less 23.50.21 # jhMikeS: hmm, at least when buffering, it seems 23.50.49 # Bagder: 20:12 and a bit later 23.51.08 # preglow: just like the real target :) 23.51.16 # jhMikeS: hahaha 23.51.25 # pixelma: aha, maybe we should bother him about it... 23.51.32 # jhMikeS: load seems normal after that 23.51.40 # around 16% cpu here for an aac track 23.51.45 # Bagder: I noticed that the mpeg folder is missing 2 files - those for the mini lcd resolution. Dunno whether linuxstb forgot to transfer them to ypu 23.51.46 # this spin stuff in the scheduler is really bad and that's why I want real io completion objects 23.51.58 # Bagder: at least the ones that are big enough to get a colour in the table 23.52.28 # I also experienced rather slow download from one of the mirrors. Don't know which one that is, but it uses lighthttpd 23.52.30 # (the bin size difference I mean) 23.52.49 # so no one knows how to change the voicing of file extention with voicebox? 23.52.49 # * pixelma wonders what's up today 23.52.54 # amiconn: that's the videolan one, and that _should_ be blazing fast... 23.53.01 # preglow: the thread would sleep and be woken by an interrupt. if I did this with the portal player I2C driver, it would quiet it down alot. 23.53.30 # it performs about 540 useless switch_thread calls per second 23.53.30 # amiconn: I don't think I've gotten any other mpegs from linuxstb 23.53.45 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@c-71-205-0-132.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 23.53.54 # I have the 2 mpeg files for the mini lcd. Got them from linuxstb 23.54.13 # I could upload them somewhere... 23.54.29 # how big are they? 23.54.39 # jhMikeS, preglow: it works wonders here now, 0-1 % cpu while playing, no delays... 23.54.41 # thanks pixelma 23.54.42 # 27MB + 35MB 23.55.03 # In a sec I'll see if the build from the link you gave me works 23.55.17 # I have restored my nano AT LEAST 7 times already 23.55.19 # lol 23.55.25 # who wrote the voicebox script? 23.55.58 # http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/remove_id3_priority.patch 23.56.01 # anyone see anything wrong with that? 23.56.10 # ie. anything i've forgotten 23.56.13 # n1s: well I don't have that much beasty CPU power here to keep in that low 23.56.40 # i've got a 2.2ghz athlon64 23.57.14 # mine is a 3.2GHz pentium D (dula core) 23.57.20 # 2.4GHz pentium 4 running in VMWare gives about 15% without peakmeters. 23.58.01 # ehhhhhh 23.58.10 # I have to restore this shit AGAIN 23.58.14 # :-P 23.58.24 # n1s: you could run 10 sims without delay I'm sure :) 23.58.58 # maybe I'm loading the bootloader wrong, but last time I had rockbox kinda running I was using the same method