--- Log for 14.09.107 Server: clarke.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 9 days and 15 hours ago 00.00.12 # what happened? 00.00.35 # if I have one playing music and start another one the first will segfault when the second starts playing 00.01.04 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 00.01.05 # something with shared libs? 00.01.38 # OOh, I have 1 more question for anyone who can help me: I need a good video file converter. I have Transformers and 300 to put on my 80 gig ipod but they are video clips. I need them converted to either mp4 or mov. can anyone give me a link to a freeware converter?? 00.02.05 # iTunes wont convert from video clips to iPod format 00.02.10 # :-/ 00.02.12 # n1s: Not on windows... but only the sim which has focus actually outputs audio there 00.02.23 # The other continues running, but silent 00.02.54 # jhMikeS: hmm, it is on access to the ci api pointer so it is probably the same weird bug that causes it to crash on track change 00.03.06 # If neither one has focus, the one which last had focus continues. It's probably an SDL thing 00.03.59 # yes, I segfault using VMWare too 00.04.31 # actually it's "Illegal Instruction" :\ 00.04.59 # <^JimmyRidge^> dang 00.05.00 # Legalize Instructions! 00.05.07 # <^JimmyRidge^> having probs installing to my nano 4GB ipod 00.05.28 # the one I switched to kept going. the one already playing faulted. 00.06.23 # Here it's the other way round 00.06.28 # (on linux) 00.08.33 # jhMikeS: same here, amd64 linux 00.08.45 # crashed the moment the other one started playback 00.09.24 Join mschneider [0] (i=42444ee1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-96775c33aa4e54cc) 00.09.25 # It's probably an SDL thing then as well 00.09.34 Join Hilikus [0] (n=rockero@bas2-montreal45-1177828666.dsl.bell.ca) 00.09.40 # What sdl audio driver are you using? 00.09.47 # me? no idea, default 00.09.58 # probably alsa, i don't even have oss support installed 00.10.02 # preglow: old one bit it? 00.10.09 # jhMikeS: aye 00.10.15 # I'm using libsdl1.2debian-oss 00.10.25 # amiconn: how do i find out? 00.10.28 # All others don't work for me, they just crash... 00.11.00 # ok how do I create .talk files in linux? 00.11.02 # On debian there are several packages for sdl audio output, of which only one can be installed 00.11.09 # really 00.11.26 # * amiconn just checked in synaptic 00.12.08 # libsdl1.2debian-alsa is th eonly installed one here 00.12.11 # There's also an -all package. Dunno what that will select when it's installed 00.12.20 # dpkg -l | grep sdl 00.12.23 # ;-) 00.12.36 # ddalton: isn't there wiki info on that? I don't know personally. 00.12.47 # The funny thing is that the -alsa version crashes here even though the soundcard is handled by alsa... 00.12.54 Join perrikwp [0] (i=98216684@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6246b4f179672a6d) 00.13.03 Quit DarkED (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.13.14 # oh my. well. hmm. I suppose I should have expected that adding the entire HVSC would add all the authors and tunes to the database (: 00.13.24 # Or not so funny.... weird linux stuff :/ 00.13.26 # opinions please: i have a patch to remove the id3 tag priority patch, anyone for? rationale: id3v2 is at the start of the file and is the better tag format, no reason to look for id3v1 first 00.13.41 # rephrase that to make sense, i'm tired :/ 00.13.55 # preglow: you have a patch that remove a patch > 00.14.08 # anti-patch 00.14.08 # amiconn: debian is weird... 00.14.18 # i've never had problems with alsa 00.14.40 # well, sound is slightly weird in linux I have to say 00.14.42 # Is it? The other distros I've seen (not so many) were even more weird 00.14.50 # I always use id3 v2 no matter unless some program won't take it so...good riddance. 00.15.05 # Bagder: agreed 00.15.07 # sound in linux sucks rod 00.15.27 # alsa isn't all bad, really 00.15.30 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.15.34 # but devs just can't seem to agree on proper ways to do stuff 00.15.34 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF59B1.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.15.42 # so you have a million sound servers, only some good 00.15.42 # oops 00.15.55 # such is open source...I should know of late :) 00.16.19 # * n1s has had no problems with linux sound after figuring out that there would never be any drivers for that darn xfi card and getting an old audigy instead :-) 00.16.26 Join DarkED [0] (n=darked@adsl-065-012-158-225.sip.clt.bellsouth.net) 00.16.56 # i'm tempted to just commit this and see what people say 00.17.13 # Had a sim open that played music. Stopped it, started 2nd sim, tried playback -> segfault. Tried to restart playback in 1st sim -> some nasty noises, then crash... 00.17.22 # preglow: that's generally a good approach...or people tend to say nothing 00.17.28 # jhMikeS: exactly... 00.17.46 # at least i've had no loud NOs from devs 00.17.57 # and a good few "good riddance" 00.18.07 # i should just test the patch a bit first 00.18.11 # but that can come tomorrow 00.18.31 # though i can't imagine what the patch'd break 00.18.38 # I really forgot the stupid option even existed since I've never changed it 00.19.30 Quit eigma () 00.19.40 # preglow: I'm sure some voice bug will come up 00.19.55 Quit ddalton ("leaving") 00.19.57 # bah 00.20.12 # did i handle lang files properly, btw? i just marked the strings deprecated in english.lang, and that's that 00.20.27 # preglow: that should do it, yes 00.20.48 # gr8 00.21.00 # I love the fact that we have both /codecs.h and /codecs/codec.h 00.21.25 # yeah... 00.21.31 # that used to be an even worse mess 00.21.32 # not confusing at all. nooooo 00.23.22 Quit davina ("xchat on Ubuntu 7.04") 00.24.11 # the battery makes for some fun in the uisim when used as your regular player ;-) 00.25.02 # what? charging the sim isn't supported yet? :P 00.27.52 Quit Hilikus (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.28.20 Quit aridkillzone ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 00.29.45 # why nvram.bin and config.cfg constantly opened when adjusting volume? 00.29.52 # *why is 00.30.11 # jhMikeS: After buffering, sim cpu load is very low even with peakmeters enabled 00.30.44 # (on amd65) 00.30.47 # *64 00.30.55 # Gnome system monitor shows a mere 1% after buffering finished 00.31.36 # I thought it was like 60% before 00.32.14 # That was before the sleep(0) fix, I think 00.32.32 # so that _just_ changed after the last commit? 00.32.44 # I don't think so 00.33.10 # I didn't always check system load on linux 00.34.01 # makes more sense. I think running it debian just eats alot of CPU because of graphics emulation (around 58-60%). 00.34.33 # You mean in vmware, I presume? 00.35.07 # yes 00.35.09 # gfx emulation is indeed somewhat slow, especially if you're using vmware server 00.35.15 # does the rockbox-vmware image have vmware drivers installed at all? 00.35.29 # Workstation or player have better gfx performance 00.35.30 # cube gets around 35% 00.35.46 # I'm using player right now 00.36.16 # I switched to server, even though I also have workstation (both can't be installed at the same time) 00.36.50 Join qweru [0] (n=kvirc@bb-87-80-66-156.ukonline.co.uk) 00.37.32 # Gigabeat runs all the graphics plugins way faster than VMWare player does 00.38.08 Quit billytwowilly (Remote closed the connection) 00.38.13 Quit mschneider ("CGI:IRC") 00.39.29 Quit perrikwp ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 00.41.57 # preglow: how long does an audiobuffer fill take for you on the sim? for me, so long as no pagefile activity happens...it's almost instant. 00.42.36 # <^JimmyRidge^> dang wtfno partition found my butt 00.43.00 Quit hcs ("Leaving.") 00.43.09 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 00.43.13 # <^JimmyRidge^> 1i did mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/myipod 00.43.49 # <^JimmyRidge^> this is givin me a headache 00.44.00 # what does fdisk -l tell? 00.44.22 # <^JimmyRidge^> dev/sdc1 1 10 80293+ 0 Empty 00.44.22 # <^JimmyRidge^> /dev/sdc2 11 497 3911824+ b W95 FAT32 00.44.34 # jhMikeS: five seconds or so 00.44.48 # jhMikeS: got a bit of pagefile usage going 00.44.54 # jhMikeS: Not sure about the exact time, but it's >10 seconds 00.44.59 # <^JimmyRidge^> does a partition need to be bootable? activated? 00.45.31 # I don't think so. 00.45.50 # can you access the partition? I.e. what does file -s /dev/sdc2 tell? 00.46.01 Join billytwowilly [0] (n=chris@CABLE-72-53-22-61.cia.com) 00.46.12 # all the DEBUGF calls slow it down cause VMWare has to update the display 00.46.14 # pixelma: thanks for the chessbox fix, I actually know one guy that was apparently hitting on this key binding occasionally and already thought chessbox was flaky. 00.46.26 # <^JimmyRidge^> /dev/sdc2: x86 boot sector, mkdosfs boot message display, code offset 0x58, OEM-ID " mkdosfs", sectors/cluster 8, Media descriptor 0xf8, heads 255, sectors 7823648 (volumes > 32 MB) , FAT (32 bit), sectors/FAT 7626, serial number 0x46e982b5, label: 00.46.48 # <^JimmyRidge^> hm 00.47.01 # delYsid: ah, nice to hear. :) 00.47.07 # hmm. Can't see anything strange. 00.47.08 # <^JimmyRidge^> thats a handy cmd 00.47.10 # jhMikeS: the >10 seconds are on the physical amd64 box 00.47.18 # <^JimmyRidge^> delYsid, ? u here? its me DeL3e7! 00.47.26 # My vmware needs >10 seconds until playback even starts... 00.48.52 # amiconn, obviously the solution is to run linux ;-) 00.48.59 # ^JimmyRidge^: Do we know each other? 00.49.14 # krazykit: The vmware image does run linux 00.49.25 # <^JimmyRidge^> guess not then 00.49.25 # The host is windows, and the sim is snappy there 00.49.40 # it only does anything like that for me if the pagefile is involved alot but that's sort of expected 00.49.52 # amiconn, no, i meant natively. 00.50.23 # I won't do that for sure. Not on the laptop 00.50.47 # Buffer a video stops after 5 or 6 00.51.05 # jhMikeS: Buffering needs <1 second in a windows sim 00.51.37 # Well, my sim is a linux sim since it's VMWare. 00.51.42 Part n1s 00.52.16 # you are referring to a cygwin one I take it? 00.52.46 # Compiled under cygwin, yes 00.53.06 # ok. I've never even run one of those. 00.53.08 Quit ender` (" Democracy: the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard. -- H. L. Mencken") 00.53.09 Join sarixe [0] (n=sarixe@ool-435403e9.dyn.optonline.net) 00.53.09 # The compiled sim is a native win32 app 00.53.23 # No cygwin needed to run it, just sdl.dll 00.55.27 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-251-39.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 00.55.36 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 00.56.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.57.15 # hmmm...my VMWare starting a full-screen video up on the gigabeat sim starts with no perceivable delay at all and no roughness during buffering which is over fast. odd differences. 00.59.08 # <^JimmyRidge^> ok i just completely restored it hopefully it'll will work this time 00.59.36 # jhMikeS: Btw, all my buffering time, load etc figures use the default wps of course, i.e. include peakmeters 00.59.41 # Of course I cut the VMWare RAM size down so it doesn't eat space on my main OS. 01.00.24 # My vmware ram size is set to 256MB. Both my amd64 box and the windows laptop have 1GB of physical ram 01.00.27 # peakmeters have no negative impact for me at all for buffering. 01.01.15 # My vm is *not* the one from the download server though. It's my own installation of debian unstable, includes gnome etc 01.02.01 Join Soap [0] (n=Soap@h69.100.29.71.ip.alltel.net) 01.09.38 # <^JimmyRidge^> ugh 01.09.43 # <^JimmyRidge^> this is killing me 01.09.59 # amiconn: are the measurements after the last change? 01.10.05 # yes 01.10.12 # <^JimmyRidge^> i dunno why its not detecting the partition/ or mounting it 01.10.39 # amiconn: so it changed/didn't change from before? 01.11.14 # <^JimmyRidge^> i see the rockbox bootloago then it craps out to say no partition found insert usb cable and fix it 01.11.21 # It became a bit better on the amd64, in that there is no noticeable delay before it starts playing 01.11.57 # On windows there's no noticeable change. Worked nicely before, and works nicely now 01.12.30 Join perrikwp [0] (i=98216684@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-11911a79dea1693b) 01.12.40 # On vmware I don't know. I only use it rarely for running sims 01.12.52 # Native win32 sims are much more convenient 01.13.17 Quit petur ("Zzzzz") 01.13.58 Join RudMan [0] (n=RudMan@ool-182fb504.dyn.optonline.net) 01.14.10 Nick tictoc is now known as Jesus_saves_No1 (i=tabac@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xB9002659) 01.15.42 # * joshin changes his name to Moses_Invests 01.17.15 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 01.24.41 # <^JimmyRidge^> hm 01.24.54 # <^JimmyRidge^> says Partition unkown in ipods testmode... 01.25.06 # <^JimmyRidge^> under HD info 01.25.16 # I'm late to this conversation, but is it a Winpod? 01.25.24 # <^JimmyRidge^> yea 01.25.42 # Hve you previously installed IpodLinux? 01.25.48 # *Have 01.25.48 # <^JimmyRidge^> no 01.26.07 Quit sarixe ("Peace") 01.26.48 # <^JimmyRidge^> /dev/sdc2 11 497 3911824+ b W95 FAT32 01.27.15 # <^JimmyRidge^> should i try tweakin the id 01.27.29 # The id doesn't matter for rockbox 01.27.38 # (as long as it's != 5) 01.28.07 # <^JimmyRidge^> ? 01.28.25 Quit barrywardell (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01.30.06 # <^JimmyRidge^> maybe try a dif build? 01.30.25 # * jhMikeS wonders what the sim changes mean for blackhawk 01.30.52 # Rockbox ignores the partition id almost completely, and just tries to mount every non-empty partition as fat32, as long as it's not an extended partition. 01.31.10 # It will use the first partition it is able to mount 01.32.57 # <^JimmyRidge^> then why am i getting a nopartition found, you saw my fdisk output eh? 01.35.20 # I don't know. Don't have much experience with linux fdisk either... 01.37.09 # <^JimmyRidge^> does rockbox.ipod need to be in the root dir? 01.37.35 # Nope. It needs to be in /.rockbox (where it's unzipped to) 01.37.59 # ^JimmyRidge^: were you installing on a Nano? 01.38.15 # It will probably work in the root as well (iirc the bootloader still checks both locations) 01.38.32 # <^JimmyRidge^> nano 4GB black 01.39.55 # <^JimmyRidge^> this is drivin me nuts 01.40.05 # and the "no partition found" - do you get that when trying to boot Rockbox or do you already have problems elsewhere? 01.40.17 # <^JimmyRidge^> no the original firmware loads fine 01.40.49 # But testmode says partition unknown? 01.41.11 # maybe he's suffering from a really bad case of the "recent" Nano problem? 01.42.01 # just an idea though... 01.42.50 # <^JimmyRidge^> might need a windows computer to fix it or somethin 01.44.02 # as far as I know, rockbox is not supported on the 4GB nano 01.44.14 # it is only supported on the 1st gen nano 01.44.39 # <^JimmyRidge^> but it is a 1st gen ;( 01.44.48 # <^JimmyRidge^> with a bigger drive 01.45.18 # RudMan: The 1st gen came in 1, 2 and 4GB versions 01.45.41 # hmmm. sorry about that, I thought 1st gen was only 1GB 01.48.10 Quit RudMan (Remote closed the connection) 01.49.59 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 02.03.48 # does the sansa support usb 2.0 speeds? what about its memory card slot? 02.08.24 Part toffe82 02.08.30 Join linuxstb [0] (i=984efe4d@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 02.09.30 # XavierGr: most definitely 02.10.59 # XavierGr: I bet it's different from the Ondio ;) 02.11.47 # It's definitely a bit different from the player too 02.16.08 # heh thanks 02.16.16 # I am itching to buy one right now 02.16.34 # a friend of mine needs an mp3 player (low cost) and I am trying to convert her on the rockbox side 02.16.45 # probably I will try to drag Genre9mp3 into it too :P 02.19.27 # It's a very nice player with some impressive sound imo. My favorite for going around just listening to music since it just slips in a shit pocket. 02.19.44 # *shirt pocket :P hehe 02.19.54 # jhMikeS: what about the portaplayer battery problems in the sansa? 02.20.25 # jhMikeS: BoS just belongs there :P 02.20.42 # not much worse than OF from what I've been told. I've never run it down to even 50%. 02.21.00 # * jhMikeS incorporated a BoS reference into the dual core patch :) 02.21.59 # ...just so I can carry I it around with me 02.22.07 # BoS is a historical reference in these days, it is the first golden quote on the rockbox era after all ;) 02.22.07 # some nice "data abort at ..."? 02.22.22 Quit qweru ("moo") 02.26.42 Quit perrikwp ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 02.26.43 # poison poiter value 0x8a905417 02.27.05 # *pointer....the typos today 02.30.39 # was that BoS stuff logged in IRC? would like to see it. 02.31.17 # see GoldenQuotes wiki, top entry 02.31.35 # it was in a forum thread 02.31.52 # XavierGr: I doubt that it's the first. Just the first that was documented as such 02.33.33 # At the time this quote was made, rockbox already existed for almost 4 years 02.34.29 # the forum discussion still exists: alexshigo 02.36.44 # guess it wasn't that long ago...hehe 02.39.18 Join perrikwp [0] (i=98216684@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-baf14f898d27381c) 02.39.36 # amiconn: yes of course, but it is the first documented and probably the one that started the golden quotes page, also the most famous 02.39.46 # This is definitely older than BOS... http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2002-09/0586.shtml 02.43.11 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 02.49.37 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC") 02.53.57 Part pixelma 02.56.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.58.06 # <^JimmyRidge^> ok i think its just the way i formated my ipods fat32 partition 02.58.30 # <^JimmyRidge^> i was thinking of doing a mformat but what should i put for heads/sectors 02.58.35 # <^JimmyRidge^> its solidstate!? 02.59.48 # why are you entering heads/sectors? let fdisk or whatever fudge the disk geometry like it always does 03.01.02 # <^JimmyRidge^> cause its having problems 03.03.55 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 03.04.01 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 03.04.34 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 03.05.34 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 03.11.04 Join WalkGood [0] (i=WalkGood@adsl-153-188-156.mia.bellsouth.net) 03.16.20 Join Ebert [0] (n=EbErT@adsl-145-72-140.asm.bellsouth.net) 03.20.09 Part WalkGood 03.33.27 Quit hcs (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 03.36.24 Join eigma [0] (n=cat@CABLE-206-188-76-21.cia.com) 03.51.03 Quit webmind (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.51.37 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.51.57 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF59B1.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.52.48 # <^JimmyRidge^> im at my wits end with this no partition BS 03.55.32 Join webmind [0] (n=webmind@u2m.nl) 04.27.52 Quit perrikwp ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 04.32.26 Join atsea-57 [0] (i=atsea-@gateway/tor/x-dcbdb10cd0d591a9) 04.39.16 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.39.23 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF708D.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.52.07 Join perrikwp [0] (i=98216684@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1262dc958416c4f3) 04.54.28 Join JGabcde [0] (i=461369b9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-bbd0306ae73d31e0) 04.55.05 # how do u change the startup ipc in rockbox 04.55.07 # ?? 04.55.09 # pic*\ 04.56.11 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.56.43 # hello? 04.58.21 # dunno if you can 04.58.38 # what hardware? 04.59.08 # ipod 04.59.39 # that pic 05.00.35 # the apple at the beginning? 05.01.16 # can't change that 05.04.50 # no in rockbox 05.04.53 # the logo 05.04.59 Quit JGabcde ("CGI:IRC") 05.11.26 # <^JimmyRidge^> if u compiled ur own version maybe 05.14.38 # <^JimmyRidge^> jeez i cant even get loader2 to work 05.15.27 # ^JimmyRidge^, please read the IRC guidelines, specifically the part about using "u" or "ur" 05.15.46 Join bb [0] (n=bb@unaffiliated/bb) 05.17.30 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c58-109-97-210.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au) 05.19.01 # the "u" is not even here krazykit.. 05.19.26 # Ebert, ...what? 05.19.48 # (^JimmyRidge^) if u compiled ur own version maybe ........... 05.19.58 # the person, JGabcde , signed off right before he said it 05.20.12 # Ebert wrong person 05.20.41 # Ebert, i was talking about using stupid "contractions" for simple words, which is against the channel guidelines 05.20.49 # the person ^jimmyridge^ was answering to, so its pointless 05.21.26 # well, abbreviations rather than contractions, anyway 05.21.48 # wow, i thought you were telling him to be specific on who he was talking to, this rule is even more lame 05.22.21 # it's a benefit to non-native english speakers and to people using screen readers. 05.23.12 # now i am afraid to say anything incorrectly :) 05.23.59 # well, minor spelling mistakes aren't a big deal, since everyone makes them. the problem is when people are all "zomg dUdE how u insall stuff". 05.27.24 Quit bb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.27.40 Quit perrikwp ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 05.38.59 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@bas3-montreal28-1279372579.dsl.bell.ca) 05.42.27 Join Rainer1 [0] (i=8ea10b56@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d83a82a9606e3cd2) 05.52.58 Part poningru ("Ex-Chat") 05.54.36 Quit Rainer1 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 06.01.12 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@c-24-19-236-139.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 06.01.34 Join MySic [0] (n=MySic@bas3-montreal28-1242530186.dsl.bell.ca) 06.02.08 Quit MySic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.04.05 Quit My_Sic (Connection timed out) 06.08.30 # <^JimmyRidge^> well i got linux to boot up fine 06.17.41 Join goffa_ [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 06.17.59 Quit midkay (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 06.18.42 Join HeimrichHimmler [0] (i=18eddffa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-495a6ef750c2345f) 06.19.07 # gutentaug 06.19.36 # ganf einch rockbox 06.20.10 # david do not spam 06.20.33 # !!!How did you know my name???? 06.20.39 # Ok, I wont. 06.22.06 # I have read through the Twiki, but I'm still confused. I know how to compile rockbox, but I don't know how to patch. 06.22.40 # you use "patch" 06.22.49 # did you read WorkingWithPatches? 06.23.37 # Yes, I follow every direction, but I don't understand. This may be a little too hard for me right now, I guess. 06.24.10 Join JerryLange [0] (n=JerryLan@ppp-64-91-85-211.cam.centurytel.net) 06.24.23 Join qwm [0] (n=qwm@h38n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 06.24.27 # well, the basic rundown is to cd to your source directory (rockbox/) and then patch -p0 < /path/to/patchfile 06.24.34 # hello i have a problem with rockbox on my 5.5g 80gb ipod 06.24.53 # scorche: lvl 99 is a fucking nightmare, way worse than that other level i had trouble with. 06.24.58 # for some reason when ever i turn it off and turn it on some of the settings i just set do not save 06.25.13 # lvl 99 pokemon is hard to beat 06.25.16 Join goffa__ [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 06.25.35 # lvl 99? 06.25.37 # HeimrichHimmler, stay on topic in here. 06.25.55 # HeimrichHimmler: the bubbles game. 06.26.00 # bubbles qwm? one in the 70's gave me a problem 06.26.05 Join SoulPropagation [0] (n=ethan@unaffiliated/soulpropagation) 06.26.10 # It's the snood-like one, right? 06.26.16 # anybody know how to help me with my problem 06.26.18 # yeah, lvl 70 and 99 are incredibly difficult imo. 06.26.46 # Ebert: did you beat all levels? 06.27.07 # how many are there? no im taking my time 06.27.07 # what other wads is rockdoom compatable with, other than doom. there are heritic wads. 06.27.14 # JerryLange, what is the issue 06.27.19 # i don't know, hehe. 06.27.25 # assuming there's only 100. 06.27.26 # HeimrichHimmler, read the wiki. 06.27.41 # Wikiwikiwiki.....:( 06.27.59 # everytime i turn my ipod on and then off the settings are somewhat reset 06.28.01 # jerrylange, are you saving a config file in "manage settings" ? 06.28.06 # Nope, guess not. 06.28.21 # Patch your Ipod's bootloader. 06.28.22 # Ebert, yes 06.28.37 # HeimrichHimmler, don't give advice when you don't know what you're talking about. 06.28.37 # newest bootloader? 06.28.42 # With e200tool 06.28.55 # yes 06.29.10 # Hi ... not sure if this is ok to ask here but can anyone tell me why I can boot into Rockbox on an iPod but booting into Apple OS will cause it to basically nuke itself? This is regardless of whether I have the bootloader installed or not 06.29.25 # this never occured before but this problem just happened 06.29.34 # What does the 'i' mean in iPod anyway? 06.29.38 # nuke itself isn't descriptive :/ 06.29.44 # HeimrichHimmler: As far as we know, "iNternet" 06.29.50 # HeimrichHimmler, you've been warned over and over. stay on topic. 06.30.11 # Ebert: the lcd goes out but the backlight stays on; pushing a button gives me a click but spinning the wheel doesn't. 06.30.22 # SoulPropagation, i'd try using iTunes to restore the ipod, see if that'll fix the issue. make sure your music is backed up first, tho 06.30.55 # Is there a way to change my device's cpu frequency? 06.30.57 # krazykit: I've restored more times than I can count, not to mention formatting and scandisking 06.31.09 # HeimrichHimmler, no. 06.31.18 # HeimrichHimmler, well, easy answer is no. 06.31.33 # SoulPropagation, sounds like it's time to remove all traces of rockbox and head to an apple store :-/ 06.31.35 Quit goffa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.31.40 # and when i go to load config.cfg "which is rockbox defaults settings there not loaded until i turn the player off then on 06.32.35 # HeimrichHimmler, david, please change your nick to something that isn't offensive, please 06.32.55 # maybe i should re do everything to get rockbox again 06.33.49 # krazykit: there's no warranty... at least there isn't anymore. I put in a new screen (I intentionally bought one with a broken screen on the cheap) and AiOS doesn't like the new one... I think it's a 5.5G screen in a 5.0G iPod 06.34.49 # now i reset the settings did nothing and it still reset the default settings. whats wrong 06.34.49 # that may mean your hd is damaged along with the screen, hope not tho SoulPropagation 06.35.19 # Ebert: screen works fine in rockbox, iPod diagnostic tool AND chkdsk give me sunshine and rainbows 06.35.56 # no, i meant its possible the ipod was dropped or beaten, breaking the original screen 06.35.58 # all i remember doing that didnt seem good was i turned auto update on and also turned shuffle on and changed the song very quick and this froze my player. so i reset it and then all this started happening 06.36.29 # Ebert: It was probably dropped. But, if the HDD was damaged then why can rockbox and chkdsk and everything say it's working? 06.36.49 Quit eigma (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.37.08 # on a similar note, would anybody be interested in BUYING a 30Gb iPod 5G? It DOES run rockbox just fine ;) 06.37.13 # SoulPropagation, well, i'm no apple expert by any means. you might be able to get some good answers for the OF on ipodlounge or something 06.37.41 Quit goffa_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.37.45 # krazykit: posted there, waiting for a response... it's been a day though >_> 06.38.01 # well, they say patience is a virtue ;-) 06.38.23 # krazykit: yeah, but I'm just worried it'll get buried 06.38.33 # what is the rockboxqt zip file called? 06.38.34 # but in the meantime, does emergency disk mode at least work? 06.38.41 # JerryLange, rbutilqt? 06.38.50 # yeah 06.39.39 # krazykit: MSC mode works, OBD works, rockbox works, EVERYTHING works except OF 06.39.44 # did you have to reformat it before solely because of dual booting? 06.39.52 # wow i cant get that rbutilqt to work at all 06.40.18 # Try sansa.fmt 06.40.27 # Ebert: no, even with a fresh restore it won't boot 06.40.53 # HeimrichHimmler, seriously, shut up. not everyone has a sansa. 06.40.54 # what is the old rockbox installer called? 06.41.35 # HeimrichHimmler, david, it is an ipod not a sansa 06.41.48 # im going to reflash my ipod and maybe that will work since nobody else has given me any advice 06.41.52 # Oh. 06.42.49 # When I use rockboxdev.sh, and chose just the arm cpu, rockbox did not compile. That means I have to choose all, right? 06.43.07 # HeimrichHimmler, you're only building for the sansa? 06.43.15 # if so, you ONLY need ARM. 06.43.30 # and remember, to build rockbox itself, you choose e200, NOT e200r 06.44.13 # ill use the old one because everytime i run the qt version it get an error 06.45.14 # $PATH should have arm-elf in it, right? 06.45.39 # if you did it with the defaults, it should have /usr/local/arm-elf/bin/ 06.46.02 # something like /bin:/sbin:/usr/local/arm-elf/bin 06.47.19 # is there a place I can sell my iPod? Most people outside here wouldn't buy it unless I can get the OF working >_> 06.47.49 # hopefully one of the devs will come on here soon so i could get some help 06.48.27 # SoulPropagation, the mailing list, maybe. 06.48.36 # krazykit: thanks. :) night night 06.48.40 # read the rules first, though 06.48.53 # i *think* it's allowed, but i don't recall 06.48.55 # Ok, I got it to compile again, after completely replacing windows with ubuntu. 06.48.56 # I will, don't worry. :D 06.49.20 # Thanks again. 06.49.28 Join SkinInd95 [0] (n=chatzill@71-217-150-73.hlna.qwest.net) 06.49.30 Part SoulPropagation ("Leaving.") 06.49.55 # Since the nintendo DS has an arm processor, will this work to make .nds files? 06.50.21 # two arm processors, arm-9 and arm-7 06.50.21 # no 06.50.29 # ok 06.50.29 # HeimrichHimmler, stay on topic. 06.50.35 # on topic means rockbox. 06.50.46 # is there any part of that you don't understand? 06.51.20 # rockbox can run on nintendo DS. It can be a homebrew application. If not, I will not say anything more about it.... 06.52.56 # there's a thread about this in the New Ports forum 06.52.59 # i hope what im doing works 06.55.57 # well now i got it to uninstall 06.56.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.57.32 # i guess if i have any other problems ill come on late later when the devs come on so i actually get some help 06.57.34 Quit JerryLange ("Leaving") 07.00.05 Quit SkinInd95 ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518]") 07.00.42 Quit HeimrichHimmler ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 07.02.56 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 07.06.11 Quit goffa__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.10.44 Join tictoc [0] (i=tabac@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xB9002659) 07.19.01 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 07.27.33 Quit Jesus_saves_No1 (Remote closed the connection) 07.42.38 Join JerryLange [0] (n=JerryLan@ppp053.hk.centurytel.net) 07.43.10 # anybody in here own and run rockbox on the ipod 80gig? 07.45.33 # i was just wondering if dir cache correctly runs every time you boot rockbox 07.50.48 # mine runs correctly about every other time 07.53.34 Join scorche|ltop [0] (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 07.56.52 Join ddalton [0] (n=daniel@203-214-50-20.dyn.iinet.net.au) 07.56.54 Quit tictoc (Remote closed the connection) 07.57.05 Join blackflower [0] (n=jas6180@dial-69-67-229-132.usadatanet.net) 07.57.27 Join tictoc [0] (i=tabac@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xB9002659) 07.58.23 # does anyone know if the sansapatcher which is linked from the Installation section of the manual is new enough to include the bugfix for the e200 LCD bug? (the top two garbage lines thing) 07.58.31 # i'm wondering if i'm doing something wrong, or if the fix just isn't in that 07.58.54 # How do I get voicebox to record file extentions in the .talk clips? 08.00.03 # blackflower, do you mean this? ALERT! 2007-09-05: The notorious LCD bug on newer Sansa e200 models is fixed. 08.00.25 Quit petur ("work work work") 08.01.03 # JerryLange: yes, i assume that's the one. is there instructions somewhere of how to get the fix? just redoing the bootloader install doesn't seem to work, and i tried building the sansapatcher from svn and it segfaults... 08.01.47 # well that was on the "majorchanges" page http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges, which usually means its fixed in the newest build of rockbox 08.02.40 Join CaptainSquid [0] (n=Miranda@proxy16.netz.sbs.de) 08.03.23 # ddalton, could you please explain more of what you want. 08.03.38 # i see...well, maybe i'm missing something 08.04.07 # i would assume to update to the newest bootloader and then newest build and that should seem to work 08.04.36 # heh, ya that's what i assumed too. i'll try redoing it, maybe i forgot a command somewhere along the way 08.04.58 # or if you want do a complete uninstsall and reinstsall 08.05.21 # i take it you compiled your own build? 08.05.43 # yeah, but it's not modified at all from what's in svn 08.05.55 # maybe a full reinstall would help, i'll try that too 08.10.05 Quit scorche|ltop ("Leaving") 08.13.50 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 08.14.54 # hmm, yeah it still seems to be there. i bet the sansapatcher on the website hasn't been updated yet, unless i'm really messing something up. does anyone know the right way to build sansapatcher from svn? it seems to build okay, but it segfaults after i choose install 08.15.38 # You can use the provided one with an SVN bootloader, you don't have to use the bootloader builtin to sansapatcher 08.15.54 # <^JimmyRidge^> why do i keep getting this wierd problem 08.16.55 # <^JimmyRidge^> No partition found. Insert USB cable and fix it. 08.17.03 # Llorean: ohh, cool. how do i get it to build the bootloader? (or is it one of these files it already built?) 08.18.09 # <^JimmyRidge^> ipl's loader2 loaded the /.rockbox/rockbox.ipod "kernel" but the darn kernel isnt finding where it was executed from 08.18.33 # <^JimmyRidge^> little more verbostiy would help 08.20.08 # blackflower: Just choose "Bootloader" instead of "Normal Build" 08.20.21 # ^JimmyRidge^: Is your iPod Fat32 formatted? 08.20.30 # <^JimmyRidge^> yea 08.20.36 # And Rockbox is on the FAT32 partition? 08.20.39 # <^JimmyRidge^> yes 08.20.53 # And it's not an extended partition? 08.21.02 # <^JimmyRidge^> mkfs.vfat /dev/sda2 -F32 08.21.10 # <^JimmyRidge^> all primarys 08.21.18 # Then it should work. 08.21.26 # ^JimmyRidge^: what flavour ipod ? 08.21.35 # <^JimmyRidge^> excatly why im chewing my own head 08.21.44 # <^JimmyRidge^> ipod Nano 4GB gen1 08.21.52 # But you really should try using the official setup. 08.22.02 # You could be running into "The Nano bug" or it could be something about your setup 08.22.19 # Llorean: 0xb or 0xc partition type ? 08.22.24 # And using Loader2 qualifies you for "unsupported" status, since you're depending on hardware initialization this project didn't write. 08.22.28 # <^JimmyRidge^> the only thing i havent tried is letting windows have a go at formating it 08.22.40 # GodEater: Rockbox doesn't care about that, only iPodPatcher did. 08.22.48 # <^JimmyRidge^> well the same thing was happening with the rockbox loader 08.22.50 # 'k 08.22.51 # GodEater: At least afaik. 08.23.11 # ^JimmyRidge^: pastebin us your partition table ? 08.23.12 # Llorean: thanks, works like a charm 08.23.16 # <^JimmyRidge^> my soldistate ram is about to reach its max writeable ammounts 08.23.18 # anybody run or know how rockbox works on the ipod 80gig? i have a question about dircache 08.23.36 # JerryLange: just ask your question 08.23.38 # JerryLange: Exactly 0 people have entered the room since you last asked that. 08.23.56 # Wait, my mistake, looks like maybe 2 08.24.09 # <^JimmyRidge^> http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12163.msg96011 08.24.35 # ^JimmyRidge^: As I said, you could simply be encountering the Nano bug. 08.24.40 # <^JimmyRidge^> ? 08.24.51 # does dircache run smoothly and correctly on the ipod ? mine seems to run or initialize every other time 08.25.02 # <^JimmyRidge^> i've googled like mad i not the only1 this is happening to 08.25.20 # ^JimmyRidge^: As I said, it may be a known bug that Nano users are having. 08.25.31 # Llorean: I wonder if it might be the mkfs.vfat bug too? Although admittedly we've only seen that on larger volumes than this previously 08.25.37 # ^JimmyRidge^: It's described in the patch tracker, though the entry is not well named. 08.25.47 # I don't like the fact that Apple's diag mode is saying "Partition unknown" 08.25.50 # or maybe something is wrong with my player 08.25.57 # GodEater: The ATA timing issue on Nano has caused Partition Not Found for some people 08.26.05 # ah ok 08.26.06 # Though apple's diagnostic mode is different 08.26.08 # I didn't see that 08.26.29 # <^JimmyRidge^> crazy eh? 08.26.29 # ^JimmyRidge^: If apple's diagnostic mode is saying it can't find the partition, the problem isn't something to do with Rockbox, none of our code is running. 08.26.37 # JerryLange: Why do you think this is not normal behaviour? 08.26.47 # JerryLange: what do you mean by "it initialises every other time" ? 08.27.04 # <^JimmyRidge^> i got linux to boot 08.27.34 # ^JimmyRidge^: linux? 08.27.41 # <^JimmyRidge^> ipodlinux 08.27.50 # ^JimmyRidge^: not on that partition table you didn't 08.27.56 # <^JimmyRidge^> well 08.28.04 # alright. i just booted my player and it said it only took 9 seconds to Initialize, other times when the player is loaded its stil loading and has only like 500 files in the cache 08.28.53 # I've never seen a message saying "took 9 seconds to initiliase" 08.29.07 # or any other number of seconds for that matter 08.29.23 Join gnychis [0] (n=gnychis@CYPRUS.CMCL.CS.CMU.EDU) 08.29.32 # is says 9s in the dircache info for "scanning took" 08.29.36 # <^JimmyRidge^> hm 08.29.51 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 08.30.04 # JerryLange: It takes 60 seconds or so for mine to scan 08.30.35 # if yours is bugging out so early, I imagine you have file system problems 08.30.37 # Scanning time depends on how many files are on the disk 08.30.42 # amiconn: obviously 08.30.58 # can any rockbox plugins play .mov files? (same format used to play in original firmware) 08.30.59 # i have about eight thousand 08.31.07 # gnychis: No. 08.31.08 # gnychis: no 08.31.10 Join homielowe [0] (n=chatzill@d207-81-67-190.bchsia.telus.net) 08.31.14 # JerryLange: same as me then 08.31.20 # thanks 08.31.28 # JerryLange: so I suggest you check the filesystem 08.31.45 # My H180 also just needs 8 seconds, scanning ~6400 files 08.31.57 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 08.32.00 # well sometimes it takes about 9 seconds 08.32.17 # amiconn: pretty impressive 08.32.32 # Doesn't the 5.5G have pretty slow read speed? 08.32.33 # GodEater: How many files do you have? 60 seconds seems pretty excessive 08.32.36 # amiconn: does the ATA hacks you've done for the 80GB ipod have any impact on that time ? (I'm guessing not) 08.32.45 # <^JimmyRidge^> bbl 08.32.57 # entry count is 7328 amiconn 08.33.01 # I got such a long scanning time when I had a folder with very many files on my H180 08.33.34 # actually i have 9956 files on my player 08.33.34 # I don't have any really huge folders 08.34.38 # and on my 5.5g 80gb it only took 9 seconds 08.34.38 # ...which also made dircache size go very near the built-in limit of 6MB. Don't remember the file count, but it certainly was >50000 files 08.35.32 # 7 seconds for 4844 files on my 2nd gen 08.35.33 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B166C6.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.35.55 # now i restarted the player (turned it off then on) and now its taking longer to initialize 08.36.34 # GodEater: 2 seconds for 1350 files on LinusN's 5.5G 08.36.50 # 112 seconds now 08.36.52 # (sorry, didn't put more files there) 08.37.09 # amiconn: well I have no theories as to why mine has taken 60s 08.37.51 Quit m4z3 () 08.37.53 # but sometimes. i recently reinstalled rockbox completely and it seems to be working correctly, but before it wouldnt even initialize 08.37.59 # Either there are huge differences between 5.5Gs, or yours is very fragmented 08.38.08 Join m4z3 [0] (n=eh@CPE-76-177-169-180.natsoe.res.rr.com) 08.38.16 # although having just done a power off and back on - it now says 10 seconds 08.38.26 # same as me 08.38.26 # and I doubt it's fragmented much, I've never deleted anything from it 08.38.47 # ~10 seconds is what I would expect from your file count 08.38.51 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 08.39.40 # sometimes it seems to do dircache before rockbox loads completely (during the boot screen) and sometimes it doesn't 08.39.58 # GodEater: Hmm, maybe you resumed playback right after boot when you got that long init time? 08.40.21 # I have resume playback on start set to yes if that's what you mean 08.40.24 # Having playback run in parallel to dircache scan slows the scan down *a lot* 08.40.50 # yes but why the 2 different scan times that are very far apart from each other? 08.41.08 # ah - so if I powered off with it stopped though - that wouldn't resume on startup 08.41.28 # It would 08.41.45 # It only won't resume if your playlist ended 08.41.53 # in that case I can't explain the difference in time 08.41.59 # * amiconn never sets rockbox to "resume on startup" 08.42.18 # Maybe it depends on the codec 08.42.30 # all mp3 08.42.34 # (assuming you use several different formats) 08.42.35 # I don't own anything else 08.42.39 # hmm 08.42.53 # same here. all mp3 08.43.18 # * GodEater has just triggered an interesting behaviour 08.43.37 # But having playback run while dircache scan isn't finished may slow it down. As long as dircache has found all files when the scan ends, there's nothing to worry about 08.43.44 # powered off with it plugged into usb, and it went straight the AppleOS's "Warning, very low battery screen" 08.44.13 # amiconn: it's not a behaviour that worries me anyway =/ 08.45.04 # anybody even listening to me? as long as it runs correctly its only 2 mins. its fine. i think what i usually do is im browsing files as its running and that makes it run even slower. 08.45.58 # JerryLange: yes, what's your point ? 08.47.05 # im just talking about the same as you guys and noticed the behavior as well 08.47.51 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.dsl.t-2.net) 08.48.27 # well what did you want us to say ? 08.48.33 # JerryLange: the only thing that really bugs me is that dircache scans in the foreground when you reboot while it's scanning (after disconnecting from USB for example) 08.49.46 # just thought you guys already knew the behavior as ive noticed it for a couple days 08.50.48 # so you didn't want us to say anything then ? 08.51.13 # JerryLange: are you sure you are not talking about the same problem? 08.51.37 # does the HDD stop after scanning is finished (in 9 seconds)? 08.51.52 # * GodEater is confused 08.51.56 # i was wondering if it was a known bug or not 08.52.32 # if what's a known bug? You just said it works? 08.53.45 Quit darkless ("Leaving") 08.53.47 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.54.00 # ok nm i guess you dont understand 08.54.24 Join B4gder [0] (n=daniel@static-213-115-255-230.sme.bredbandsbolaget.se) 08.54.41 # JerryLange: can you just explain *what* you think the bug is ? 08.55.56 # * markun feels ignored 08.56.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.56.25 # i was wondering why sometimes it takes 9s when other times it takes over 100s 08.56.48 Join SofRaZorbacK [0] (n=sof@gar31-1-82-66-75-34.fbx.proxad.net) 08.56.56 # markun, yes the hdd stops 08.57.34 # ok :) 08.58.12 # i recently reinstalled rockbox by the way, and it seems to be running MUCH better 08.59.35 # markun: I reported this bug to Slasheri multiple times. It exists since he fixed another dircache scan related bug 09.00.07 # If the dircache scan is interrupted (by connecting usb or shutting down before it finished), the next scan happens in the foreground 09.00.29 # Before, it wasn't possible to interrupt the scan at all 09.00.32 # JerryLange: amiconn already said, if the disk is being used to do other things, such as file browsing, or resuming playback (so loading music into memory), then the scan takes longer 09.00.48 # that's not a bug, it's just a fact of the disk being unable to do two things at once 09.01.06 # It's more a CPU load problem than the disk access itself 09.01.27 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 09.01.30 Quit ender` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.01.36 # i see, but the last 2 times as i did this. all i did was turn it on and turn it off and had music resume and one time took 9s and the other took 112s 09.02.25 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 09.04.33 Quit petur ("work") 09.04.33 # ok next question, where can i download a package for cygwin. when i try to download it from the installer it takes too long or my internet gets disconnected and i have to restart the download. i spose i cannot get a package because i need specific files to build cygwin for rockbox 09.05.14 # JerryLange: you need the actual cygwin installed first 09.05.34 # then you install the additional development packages 09.05.39 # yes i know thats what im talking about. 09.05.45 # or use vmware, but that probably takes even longer to download 09.05.46 # JerryLange: The installer will download the packages at the same speed as any other download method 09.06.08 # JerryLange: "thats" being what part? 09.06.13 # And you don't need to restart from the beginning if the connection is interrupted 09.06.42 Quit blackflower ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12") 09.06.54 # The installer caches all files it downloads 09.06.57 # yes but if i had a package for the cygqin installer i could use my download manager and download it and if i get disconnected i could resume without having to start over 09.07.29 # cygwin doesn't come in any other way afaik 09.07.56 # thats cool, but next time i go to use the same mirrior it cant find the files 09.08.03 # The individual packages aren't that big 09.08.16 # JerryLange: then pick another mirror 09.08.34 # B4gder: Yes, but then he has to restart from the beginning 09.08.40 # ah right 09.08.46 # Some mirrors are indeed quirky 09.08.51 # that's actually a bit of a flaw in their system 09.09.30 # If you're in the EU, I can recommend the ftp.inf.tu-dresden.de mirror 09.09.37 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.dsl.t-2.net) 09.09.52 # well this is what i am going to do i guess. run setup tell it just to download the files on my cousins computer then copy the files to a cdr or something copy them to my computer and then tell setup.exe to install from a local directory 09.09.54 # (and using http in the installer seems to be more reliable than ftp) 09.10.21 # JerryLange: I don't think it installs from a local dir that easily though 09.11.46 # alright i see what ya mean. is there anyway to get past the flaw then? 09.12.39 # pick a fine mirror and stick with it - the same mirror - on retries 09.13.09 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host132-221-dynamic.11-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 09.13.29 # so when it says error just keep clicking retry? 09.13.43 Quit CaptainSquid ("Miranda IM!") 09.13.47 # when does it say error? 09.14.04 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjorn@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 09.15.14 # hold on. i can probably get the error to come up 09.15.26 Quit SofRaZorbacK ("au revoir, see you soon!") 09.17.16 # ok nevermind i deleted all the files 09.19.51 # but im gonna try the way i said and see if i can get cygwin to work that way then download the rockbox package 09.20.17 # because according to the wiki it will only take me 10 mins for that and i can deal with like an hour for it to download for me 09.22.15 # LinusN: *ping* 09.22.28 # JerryLange: using the vmware image is much more fun anyway... 09.22.51 # using linux is much more fun than the vmware image :) 09.22.53 # last time i tried vmware i could not get it to work 09.23.08 # GodEater: pong 09.23.09 # i do have a ubuntu live cd right in front of me 09.23.10 # well, apparently you don't get cygwin to work either ;-) 09.23.20 # LinusN: just wondered if you'd had any feedback from Jeff at all ? 09.23.39 # yes i have 09.23.51 # positive ? :) 09.23.52 # he can't understand why it gets so loaded 09.24.01 # is there a readme like cygwin does? 09.24.05 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 09.24.16 # is there any hope he'll let one of us poke around and see if we can fix it ? 09.24.20 # JerryLange: ask the cygwin guys, we're just users of their software 09.24.27 # i made some further analysis yesterday, and my theory is that he is performing nightly backups 09.24.30 # LinusN: do his logs show anything? 09.24.41 # scorche: i don't have access to his logs 09.24.56 # LinusN: that was my theory too 09.25.08 # is the open SMTP relay theory bunk now ? 09.25.19 # LinusN: just checking in case he checked them 09.25.24 # i guess that is one of the problems, along with some possible crawler activity 09.25.55 # I assume the mysticriver forums also suffer at this time of day too ? 09.25.59 # yes 09.26.26 # :) 09.26.34 # so, has the nano bug been fixed yet? 09.26.38 # qwm: my thoughts too 09.26.41 # no 09.26.46 # vmware seems harder 09.26.49 # hrm 09.26.58 # hehe. 09.27.01 # JerryLange: in regard to what? 09.27.36 # all i want to do is build my own build and once in awhile run patches 09.27.49 # compile my own build if thats better 09.27.51 # lots of folks appear to have issues with the cygwin installer - strange, over 6 different internet connections I never have... 09.27.58 # most people consider vmware to be much easier and faster than cygwin 09.28.04 # cygwin is just all round sucky 09.28.14 # and the vmware image is definitely faster 09.28.27 # assuming you can use vmware in a corp environment... 09.28.33 # funny, i have installed cygwin + rockbox dev on numerous computers without any problems 09.28.42 # (esp to run something other than windows) 09.28.49 Join CaptainSquid [0] (n=Miranda@proxy16.netz.sbs.de) 09.28.51 # morrijr: why you be able to use cygwin and not vmware player ? 09.28.58 # legacy 09.28.59 # the former is far more invasive than the latter 09.29.09 # cygwin invasive? How? 09.29.15 # GodEater: cygwin opens a smaller windows and is easier to hide on the screen? ;-) 09.29.17 # but to install patches on vmware i just follow the instructions on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling 09.29.18 # in tersm of installation 09.29.21 # B4gder: hehehehe 09.29.28 # morrijr: count the files it installs :) 09.29.37 # JerryLange: compiling is basically the same either route 09.29.47 # in one directory - how many do you get within the virtual drive? 09.29.51 # big deal. 09.30.25 # morrijr: 1 file 09.30.46 # scorche: no - that's the virtual drive. How many does it have. 09.30.55 # how many does what have? 09.30.58 # well ill try vmware hopefully i can get it to work correctly 09.31.14 # morrijr: it doesn't matter, as far as a windows admin is concerned that ONE file is easy to get rid of 09.31.23 Quit ddalton ("leaving") 09.31.27 # GodEater: and registry settings? 09.31.42 # GodEater: and the application to run it? 09.31.55 # morrijr: now it just seems liek you are arguing for the sake of arguing... 09.31.57 # *shrug* academic anyway 09.32.03 # vmware is certainly more invasive to a windows install than cygwin 09.32.23 # scorche: no, I dev some of cygwin and *can* install it, and can't install vmware. 09.32.37 # * GodEater would be surprised to find a big corp that doesn't allow vmware these days 09.32.45 # why can you not install vmware? 09.32.57 # GodEater: more and more are using it internally too.. 09.33.17 # against corp policy on individual boxes - 'they' can't see what's installed on that OS so won't allow us to use it. 09.33.24 # scorche: exactly - there's a HUGE VMWare infrastructure here 09.33.49 # morrijr: well, that is just one corp policy... 09.33.51 # big corps forbid all sorts of stuff just as precautions 09.33.51 # well i have windows so it sounds like vmware would be better for me 09.34.15 # anyway, this is offtopic, and should be moved to -community if you are going to discuss it further 09.35.02 # sorry - it just bugs me when people complain without having anything to really back their complaints up. 09.35.17 # there is plenty to back it up... 09.35.23 # OT 09.36.16 # I'm not ragging on cygwin per se - I'd prefer it over no POSIX env. at all - but I prefer the vmware image. That's all. 09.36.37 # * B4gder offers a coffee refill around the channel 09.36.59 # * GodEater takes the offer 09.37.15 # again, sorry, but from within the cygwin community it appears to be like that sometimes. Bit like people who complain about Rockbox but don't offer any solutions I suppose 09.37.19 # ooh, coffee! 09.37.30 # * morrijr I'll get in there too. 09.37.58 # when i power off my ipod the screen flashes to white right before it shuts off. is this normal? 09.38.19 # http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/09/14/flash_memory_makers_propose_ufs/ 09.38.32 # GodEater: scorche: if you've any suggestions to improve the cygwin situ, please /msg me 09.38.52 # or you could come to -community 09.38.53 # :) 09.39.00 # ack 09.39.01 # morrijr: you can always join #rockbox-community.. 09.40.23 # B4gder: yay, another card! :) 09.40.55 # hehe, yes 09.41.26 Join cool_walking_ [0] (i=cb3b81c3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-778570c91b17b408) 09.41.41 # is it supposed to flash white like that? 09.42.36 # it? flash? how? 09.42.59 # goes to black screen like its off. then WHITE then back to off 09.43.29 # actually its to shutting off screen....WHITE...then black 09.50.25 Part cool_walking_ 09.50.39 Quit ender` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.51.11 Quit Llorean (Remote closed the connection) 09.51.29 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@cpe-70-113-103-34.austin.res.rr.com) 09.57.11 # jerrylange, its normal 09.57.26 Quit Ebert () 09.57.59 # well i will get vmware and try to complie my own build. wish me luck. 09.58.03 Quit JerryLange ("Leaving") 10.06.40 Join SkinInd95 [0] (n=chatzill@71-217-147-20.hlna.qwest.net) 10.10.23 Quit scorche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.10.55 Join scorche [0] (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 10.12.09 Quit SkinInd95 ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518]") 10.15.28 # unboxing pictures are so totally boring, we need ripped-apart pictures (ipod touch) 10.16.41 Join obo [0] (n=obo@rockbox/developer/obo) 10.17.47 # B4gder: I don't understand the mentality of people who think unboxing is worth documenting with pictures 10.18.03 # no, it is hard to understand 10.18.03 Join ddalton [0] (n=daniel@203-214-50-20.dyn.iinet.net.au) 10.18.26 # Who here knows about vb scripting? 10.18.34 # "and look today I bought 2 liters of milk and some bread that I'll now unbox on video" 10.19.12 # oooooooooo.....ahhhhhhhhhh 10.19.14 # ddalton: it's best just to ask your question :) 10.19.51 Quit daurnimator ("Cyas later...") 10.19.56 # ok who can help me modify voicebox so it will include file extensions in the .talk clip? 10.20.09 Quit scorche (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- s0 d4Mn l33t |t'z 5c4rY!") 10.20.21 # it doesn't do that already ? 10.20.24 # * GodEater is surprised 10.20.35 Join scorche [0] (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 10.20.49 # As it is "voicebox" only creates talk clips for files with certain extensions, I believe. 10.20.53 # no it just voices "File" not "File.extension" 10.21.05 # And doesn't include them, it's really more intended to just voice the names of music files I think 10.21.09 # It even has a comment saying to strip the file extension 10.21.12 # in the script 10.21.56 # that's very easy to modify I can make it voice all files. But I want it to say for example "File.txt" not just "file" 10.22.10 # actually not all files but what ever extensions I tell it to 10.22.25 # of course I am talking about a text file there. 10.22.42 # I think that voicebox might do with some added interactivity. An option for all files, all music, all "supported" (playlists, text, etc), and with or without extension. 10.23.53 Nick parafin|away is now known as parafin (i=parafin@paraf.in) 10.24.15 # ddalton: you want it to say "filename dot em pee three" for example ? 10.24.24 Join Soap__ [0] (n=Soap@h69.100.29.71.ip.alltel.net) 10.24.58 # GodEater: exactly 10.26.07 # * GodEater looks at voicebox, and can't quite work out where the extension is being stripped 10.26.47 # ah - it's in VoiceCheck 10.27.02 # what is "VoiceCheck"? 10.27.21 # it's a function in the voiceUtils.vbs file 10.27.31 # you need to comment out the two lines which start : 10.27.37 # LastDot = 10.27.46 # ClipSpeak = Left 10.27.51 # which follow each other in the file 10.28.26 # I don't think the "dot" will get voiced though 10.28.39 # unless you do some more work in TextToMP3() 10.28.59 # since that replaces all occurences of "." with a space 10.30.23 # * ddalton is trying what GodEater said. 10.32.37 # GodEater: Working as expected. I just need to figure out how to get the . spoken 10.35.33 Quit Soap (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.36.18 # Thanks it now even says the dot. Maybe I should make this a setting and then either put it in the tracker or on the wiki. 10.36.26 # what one wiki or tracker? 10.37.11 # ddalton: you need to check that your solution for speaking the dot doesn't just remove the "Replace()" call 10.37.21 # because you only want to speak the *last* dot in the filename 10.37.29 # and leave the rest alone 10.39.25 # why can't we just speak "." all the time? If a folder has a . for example .rockbox I like to here .rockbox not rockbox. 10.39.32 # Comments? 10.40.49 # ddalton: um. Your choice I suppose. It's just Voicebox currently goes out of it's way not to speak all those special characters 10.41.06 # I'm not really in a position to pass judgement though, as I don't use it much 10.42.23 # I like it saying all those characters. Should I just put it on the wiki and if people start complaining I will just remove it? 10.42.36 # you could put it in as another version, and leave the old one there too 10.42.40 # that should please everyone :) 10.42.45 # hereing nothing for a - for example isn't useful. 10.42.56 # ok I will do that. 10.43.03 # That is just my opinion. 10.43.05 # about the - 10.43.30 # I think your opinion is valid - you use it more than me :) 10.44.17 # ok so now I just need to write an if statement to check if file extensions should be voiced? 10.44.52 # while I am at it should I just provide voice for all the extensions I can think of? 10.44.59 # adn see what people say? 10.45.02 # and 10.47.00 Join martonius [0] (i=43a16ed2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-180642ba7942b96f) 10.48.24 Join phalax [0] (n=phalax@h-82-96-32-75.ip.rixbredband.se) 10.49.20 Quit martonius (Client Quit) 10.49.59 # ddalton: that's a good idea 10.52.34 # one quick question. How do I end an if in vb script? 10.52.42 # and is "else" ok? 10.53.07 # else is ok 10.53.13 # you end an if with "End If" 10.53.22 # is it "EndIf" to end an if? 10.53.30 # there's a space I think 10.53.34 # ok you answered me sorry. 10.53.46 # no problem ;) 10.55.36 # * amiconn never uses .talk clips for files, just for folders 10.55.49 # * ddalton Does! 10.56.07 # * ddalton Is testing my code! 10.56.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.56.24 # amiconn: I don't either - but then I'm not blind 10.56.53 # Would it be possible to do something like .talk clips as we've done with icons? 10.57.09 # For example, with spelled folders and files, it would say a quick "Folder" then start spelling, or "Song" and then start spelling? 10.57.16 # * ddalton Has broken something. 10.57.34 # Llorean: of course it would be possible ;) 10.57.54 # Okay, more along the lines of "Would it make sense / be useful to someone or a large group of someones to..." 10.58.14 # that's a tougher question to answer, and only those people that use it would be able to answer 10.58.43 # what is the question? 10.59.04 # I agree that it would be more useful to speak the file type first (both for spelling and file numbers) 10.59.13 # Llorean is asking whether you'd find it useful to have the filename prefixed with either "Folder" or "Song" depending on what it is when Voicebox annouces it 10.59.32 # see p7653 10.59.35 # The file type is the only reason I use file voicing at all (just numbers) in the car 10.59.39 # amiconn: I was thinking "type" as in category rather than extension, since you can have that prevoiced more readily. 11.00.04 # Yes, as the types are currently handled 11.00.38 # All extensions supported by playback are currently voiced as type "audio" 11.00.52 # that would slow navigation down when using .talk clips. But deffinetly a good idea for spelling 11.01.17 # * ddalton wonders if anyone looked at p7653 11.01.51 Quit CaptainSquid (Remote closed the connection) 11.08.21 # ok now I have got it working with the option in the ini file. But there a couple of problems: 11.08.55 # There is no tick box for voice file extensions. And there are 2 tick boxes for voice folders 11.09.21 # and one is ticked or unticked depending on the setting in the ini file. Does anyone know what needs to be done now? 11.11.10 # ddalton: I think that stuff is in the voiceBox.hta file - unfortunately I know nothing about that file format (beyond the fact that it's a mix of html / script) 11.11.29 # ok I will look for examples. 11.11.33 # good luck 11.11.35 # hopefully it won't be to hard 11.11.43 # thanks 11.11.56 # is that all that nees modifying? 11.12.29 # I believe so 11.12.32 # but don't hold me to that 11.16.54 Join CaptainSquid [0] (n=Miranda@proxy16.netz.sbs.de) 11.19.09 Quit homielowe (Remote closed the connection) 11.27.01 Quit ze (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.38.23 # looks like there's finally a nice dual-boot x5 bootloader patch pending 11.38.45 Join bluebrother [0] (i=veA35J1c@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 11.40.31 # B4gder: By "nice" you mean "doesn't use bits of the flash?" 11.40.33 # Is it in the tracker? 11.40.45 # yes, 5289 I believe 11.41.09 # I just read the description 11.41.15 # didn't actually test it 11.41.22 # Ah, old task, new patch? 11.41.27 # GodEater: Can you see if you can work out the format of the tar file? 11.41.31 # seems so 11.42.03 # or does anyone know how it works? How do I add another check box after voice file names and get it to check the ini file to see if it is true or false 11.42.08 # He's been using it for 9 months?! 11.42.13 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 11.42.25 # that's quite some testing time ;-) 11.42.29 # Yeah... 11.42.39 # I mean, isn't the last reason to use the OF now "USBOTG"? 11.42.47 # ddalton: what tar file? 11.43.09 # ddalton: tar is a really simple format. What do you want to do? 11.43.56 # voicebox. 11.44.30 # bluebrother: I want to add a check box that checks to see what the setting is in the ini file and tick it if it is true. 11.45.02 # I think you mean the .hta file don't you ? 11.45.04 # not a tar file 11.45.28 # * bluebrother remembers his tar themes loader 11.45.47 # guess that's pretty much out of date now. Maybe I should revive it? 11.46.25 # bluebrother: yes you should! 11.46.59 # you think so? But then I should think about the speed penalty it created due to the unordered files. 11.47.00 # sorry... screenreader doesn't say that sorry for the confusion. 11.47.27 # could rockbox handle tgz files or zip files? Could we write a plugin to do this? 11.47.44 # who wrote voicebox? 11.47.46 # it can't 11.47.51 # but it can be written. 11.47.58 # ddalton: I wrote a plugin that extracts tar files. It isn't hard. 11.48.13 # with zlib support ? 11.48.22 # really? so it could extract a tar file to any dir on the player? 11.48.25 # check FS#6156 -- it extracts tar files that contain theme files 11.48.36 # so only theam files? 11.49.00 # ddalton: can you think of another use for them ? 11.49.04 # not generic, no. I wanted to have packaged theme files and haven't seen a reason to support generic tar extraction 11.49.12 # * amiconn thinks .zip support would be more interesting 11.49.13 # for what? 11.49.20 # and tar isn't compressed, which makes it really easy 11.49.45 # implementing zip would be harder ... and I still don't see any advantage over tar. 11.50.11 # (as you need to handle with compression too) 11.50.42 # I agree tar would be a better format to support 11.51.20 # zip is more cross platform than tar, and it's compressed 11.51.24 # ZIP might be useful for other things too 11.51.56 # tar works flawlessly on platforms like windows. And you still can compress it if you want to 11.51.57 # Some of the emulator audio formats are often compressed, though I think RAR is the common. 11.52.38 # the problem I see with zip is that you always need to deal with compression. 11.52.54 # rar is common? Never seen that much. 11.53.16 # Rar is common among certain strange crowds. 11.53.51 # could we find an open source extracting program and port it to rb? 11.53.53 # For example it's common to compress an game's worth of SPC files into a RAR, with extension RSN, because you can get something like 7 to 1, or higher, compression. 11.53.59 # as a plugin of course 11.54.16 # well, we might be a strange crowd here but not in that terms ;) 11.54.24 # rar? is that only for win rar? 11.54.43 # rar is not an open format 11.54.45 # zip has a whole bunch of compression methods which makes it harder to read than say gz which is only one method... although there are a whole bunch of libraries for dealing with zip :) 11.55.01 # B4gder: eh? 11.55.45 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAR_%28file_format%29 11.55.45 # ok I found the line Dim Overwrite_dotTalk, Overwrite_dotWav, RemoveWav, VoiceFolders, VoiceFiles 11.56.03 # should I add my option name that is in the ini file? 11.57.29 # B4gder: ah, only decompression is 'open' 11.57.37 # yes 11.57.53 # rar really is best avoided imho 11.58.48 # maybe, at least decompression is open... but having it as the only compression format supported would be troublesome :P 11.59.28 # isn't there an option with zip to use no compression at all ? 12.00.09 # yes it's possible, but i don't think requiring users to do that is a good idea :P 12.01.38 # can someone just edit the hta file for me if I upload it? I have done the rest. 12.03.01 # GodEater: Do you know about vb script? 12.04.01 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul) 12.04.07 # ddalton: not really 12.04.13 # GodEater: there already was an attempt -- see FS#5002 12.04.51 # GodEater: Could you try and work out the hta file? it is a bit of vb script and html I think. 12.05.10 # ddalton: not got time now - sorry 12.05.28 # ok I will keep trying. 12.06.58 Join SofRaZorbacK [0] (n=sof@gar31-1-82-66-75-34.fbx.proxad.net) 12.07.12 # hello guys 12.07.19 # bluebrother: Wasn't one of the problems with .tar themes an issue of order within the file? 12.07.33 # Hi, How did you go with that translation? 12.07.35 # yes. It resulted in a noticeable speed penalty 12.07.53 # bluebrother: Would it be possible for RBUtil to "package" the themes? 12.07.59 # ddalton: not sure for the moemt got to compile and test 12.08.07 # bluebrother: Thus making sure they're in the right order? 12.08.15 # Llorean: eventually, the themes site will do that 12.08.20 # you should probably try building a voice file as well as compiling. 12.08.27 # because of this I created the installer plugin as immediate solution. Ultimately, the theme loader should load the files in the order they appear in the tar 12.08.42 # ddalton: your right :) 12.09.11 # so IMO we _could_ easily migrate to using tar for themes and let the users extract them on the player using the plugin 12.09.20 # as long as you filled in between the quotes the right string for it to voice it will work. 12.09.22 # adding tar handling to rbutil shouldn't be much work. 12.09.42 # just aquestio: when i modify a file, as a lang file, and they i chek out the source via svn, is the file updated, are my modifs lost? 12.09.54 # modifications are merged 12.10.00 # so you never lose anything 12.10.03 # Also if that works create a diff and send it to me so I can upload it. Or you can upload it your self. 12.10.38 # (if it can't figure out how to merge ... it doesn't merge and lets you do it yourself) 12.10.46 # to the tracker of course. 12.10.46 # scorche: The advantage of having rbutil pack/unpack themes is that 1) People won't be trying to .tar them themselves (give themes a specific extension) and 2) People can unpackage, modify, package, and submit a modified theme etc. 12.11.12 # ddalton ok thx for the info, i'll let you know 12.11.16 # don't check out svn or run svn up until it is working and then make your diff. 12.11.21 # and ok for the merging 12.11.48 # it should be ok. 12.11.57 # do you know how to create a diff? 12.12.19 # Llorean: having the files in the tar in the "wrong" order would only result in a speed penalty, so it would still work. 12.12.33 # Llorean: and what about all the information gathered byt the themes site that is made into the text files (one for the site, one for the zip)...do you think rbutil should do that too? 12.12.35 # gottta lett you all 12.12.42 # thx for all the advice 12.13.07 # scorche: we could think about a "theme submission plugin" to rbutil. Once we support plugins ;) 12.14.13 # i see...we would have to duplicate the creation process for the themes site as well then, as i dont think people should be forced to use rbutil to submit themes 12.16.28 Join seablue [0] (n=s@0x535c1344.banxx3.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) 12.19.47 # scorche: I agree, people shouldn't be forced. 12.19.54 # But an easy method for submissions wouldn't be too bad. 12.20.07 # "easy" 12.20.08 # =) 12.20.31 # has Rockbox become easy? ;) 12.20.45 # How 'bout "streamlined"? 12.21.03 # But the other thing is, the package option should be available for users who don't make use of rb-themes.org 12.21.17 # And for users who don't want to get to know this strange "tar" program 12.21.18 # :-P 12.21.59 # a theme creation plugin could allow the user to save or submit the resulting file 12.22.40 # Yup 12.22.50 # well, if we are going to be switching to tar in the near future, the themes site would be better off waiting for that before going live....it would make things simpler 12.23.05 # maybe it even wouldn't be too hard to also allow checking the wps for error 12.23.40 # IMO the theme site should go live asap 12.24.02 # as I bet it will take quite a while until that switch will happen ... if it will happen 12.24.09 # alright 12.24.21 # * scorche has a lot of code cleanup to do... 12.24.28 # oh, that much? 12.24.39 # well, before i put it into svn at least 12.25.12 # i think it uses pretty much every combination of whitespace and brace positioning possible... 12.25.30 # may I suggest running indent? ;) 12.26.18 # will that work for php? 12.26.24 Ctcp Ping on #rockbox from kclaf!i=kclaf@85.95.211.245 12.26.24 *** Server message 505: 'logbot_ :Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )' 12.26.29 # oops 12.26.34 # I think so. 12.26.35 # wrong button 12.26.43 # I'm sorry 12.27.39 # bluebrother: i just see it mention C and C++..../me googles 12.28.00 # it does all sorts of styles 12.28.13 # ugh...indent is a horrid name for an app...makes searching useless 12.28.26 # man indent 12.28.44 # i did...only mentions C and C++ as i said 12.29.01 # kclaf: die please :] 12.29.24 # * kclaf dies 12.29.33 # scorche: just try it on a backup of your php ? 12.29.43 # i suppose 12.29.59 # you need to disable inserting spaces after braces 12.30.09 # I got "< ?php" here -- urgh 12.30.10 # Ok I just need to fix the hta file and I can post an update to voicebox. 12.30.12 # * scorche puts that on the list for things to hopw to do tomorrow 12.30.16 # but I don't know how! 12.31.18 # bluebrother: well, if that is the only oddity, that is easily fixed after the program is run.. 12.34.11 # scorche: http://pear.php.net/package/PHP_Beautifier 12.34.43 # * bluebrother bookmarks page 12.34.47 # * ddalton Might be making some progress :-) 12.35.48 # thanks...i shall check that out 12.55.45 # * pixelma makes sure she didn't exclude doom for all targets, only additionally for the c200 before committing the patch ;) 12.56.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.59.06 # pixelma: disabling doom would take away the reason most ipod users seem to install rockbox in the first place :) 13.00.50 # can someone take a look at this and tell me why the hta page has two check boxes called the same. http://members.iinet.net.au/~ddalton/voiceBox.zip 13.01.29 # can someone tell me what dume does? 13.01.39 # ddalton: It's a game. 13.01.44 # I don't feel like reading about just a breafe description would be nice. 13.01.46 # ddalton: D O O M. 13.01.49 # reading the manual 13.01.57 Join Justcameron [0] (i=db5abdf1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-cdf299e290236eb0) 13.02.01 # ok sorry what is it? 13.02.05 # doom 13.02.29 # It's a game. Run around and shoot things. 13.02.30 # anyone having a look at my script? 13.02.42 # ok no good for a blind guy! 13.02.45 # Pretty much impossible to make accessible 13.02.49 # yep 13.02.56 # i have one problem. i had 12 albums on my sansa e260. after i add one new album, i tried to update the database gut i didn't find the new album. then i selected to Initialize the database and rebooted. after that i saw ONLY the new album on database. after that, i tried to update, nothing happened. Then i decided to nitialize it again, rebooted, and now i see those old albums but not the new one :D. what i am doing wrong? 13.02.59 # Though I've encountered *one* of such games that was done so through very careful use of surround sound. 13.03.13 # hey peoples 13.03.43 # Ok I will ask on the dev list. am I likely to get help there? 13.04.54 # ddalton: as likely there as anywhere 13.05.02 # can anyone tell me how I can back up my ipod firmware before installing Loader 2? 13.05.25 # * ddalton Wonders why no one wants to talk to me! 13.05.31 # Justcameron: This is #Rockbox not #Ipodlinux 13.05.58 # Llorean: okay, I'll try there, thanks 13.06.06 # ddalton: I guess you'll reach more people who could help 13.06.18 # /join #ipodlinux and use ipod updater once your done! to restore it 13.06.26 # ddalton: 1) You're asking for help with something not from SVN, so many people aren't familiar with it. 2) Even people who are familiar with it, may not know the language it's in. 13.06.33 # Justcameron: but I would think that you can backup your ipod by simply copying everything, no? 13.06.48 # markun: No, the original firmware's kept in a hidden partition. 13.07.01 # you still can copy that ;) 13.07.02 # ah, the firmware.. missed that 13.07.05 # it is #ipodlinux sorry 13.07.09 # The most direct method is to use dd to make a copy of that partition, but it's several times the size of what you "need" 13.07.45 # afaik you don't need to backup that as you can simply write the image file apple provides later 13.08.04 # ok I will do that. 13.08.14 # I was joking before anyway. 13.08.22 Quit gtkspert (Remote closed the connection) 13.08.34 # bluebrother: Yeah, unless for some reason you want to preserve an older, or specific, version (or one modified with iPodWizard) 13.09.09 # * delYsid just posted FS#7779 13.09.14 # * bluebrother leaves for lunch 13.09.34 # ha, I love this hack, it sounds so, erm, professional :-) 13.10.10 Join gtkspert [0] (n=gtkspert@gateless.info) 13.10.21 # delYsid: It seems like it should be two patches. 13.10.31 # One for talking frequencies, and another for jingle support. 13.11.48 # well, one depends on the other, so I just merged them. 13.12.16 # Yes, but if the devs decide they want one, and not the other, or want one now but the other needs improvement, the way things stand they may just both be rejected until they're rewritten. 13.12.24 Quit kclaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.12.29 # It's better to keep separate features as separate patches, and just leave a comment that one depends on the other 13.12.55 # Llorean: please comment to the patch if you have any technical problems with the implementation... 13.13.15 # hmm, I kind of get your point, yes. 13.13.28 # It's more of project policy than anything 13.13.31 # is mlang) around? 13.13.39 # mlang that should be 13.13.39 # Separate features belong as separate patches. 13.13.40 # ddalton: yyes, thats me 13.14.05 # Llorean: for me, its not really a separate feature, I needed something to announce stations. If no jingle is found, I still get the frequency spoken... 13.14.10 Quit Soap__ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.14.22 Join Soap__ [0] (n=Soap@h69.100.29.71.ip.alltel.net) 13.14.28 Nick Soap__ is now known as Soap (n=Soap@h69.100.29.71.ip.alltel.net) 13.14.40 # can you read my comment I just posted? 13.14.51 # let see 13.15.00 # delYsid: Yes, but they are definitely separate features. Speaking the frequency is an extension of existing voice functionality. Jingles are an entire new features. 13.16.15 # I am talking about fs#7779 13.16.44 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@pD955D3C1.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.16.52 # have you read it? 13.17.07 # ddalton: 6331 changes all sorts of things, I think that patch ois outdated. 13.17.20 # mine just adds a few lines without changing the language file at all... 13.17.23 # hmm... seems like doom is possible (it compiles), I just doubt it's much fun on a 136x80 pixels "big" display 13.18.04 # for the Sansa c200 that is 13.18.10 # Llorean: not quite, because jingles just uses the underlying talk api, it pretends the jingle is a thumbnail... 13.18.42 # pixelma: on my e280, doom crashes when I select "play Game" 13.18.42 # Did you see the last comment? 13.18.47 # BTW Are you blind? 13.18.49 # delYsid: Yes, but thumbnails are for individual *files* traditionally. You're adding a new system. 13.19.00 # ddalton: yes, I am. 13.19.13 # delYsid: They are distinct enough to be two features, "voice frequencies" and "Station thumbnails" 13.19.32 # Llorean: well, I use that patch, just wanted to post it for others. 13.19.35 # Especially since voicing frequencies is universally useful, while station thumbnails is only useful for someone who sets it up. 13.19.48 # delYsid: The whole point of the tracker is to post things desired to be included. And the tracker has a policy. 13.20.50 # Llorean: so, what do you want me to do, delete the item, resubmit two others and split the patch up including dependencies. That sounds a little like jumping through hoops for such a simple patch. 13.21.08 # every capable dev can easily separate the two ideas if they want to commit them separately 13.21.22 # delYsid: Or you could just split the patch into a stand-alone frequency patch, a jingle one that is dependent on it, and add them as comments 13.21.37 # delYsid: Then, in the future, follow guidelines for posting to the tracker instead of choosing to decide that you don't need to. 13.21.38 # delYsid: Are you going to make any other plugins talk? 13.21.48 # like maybe the stop watch? 13.21.54 Quit markun (Remote closed the connection) 13.22.11 # delYsid: it runs (in the sim) - I just can't read anything in the game menu 13.22.16 # delYsid: Stating "Every capable dev can do it" is fine, but that doesn't give you license to ignore the guidelines we ask submitters to follow. By that statement, you're capable, so go ahead. 13.22.18 # ddalton: I have already made all sorts of plugins talk. 13.22.21 # delYsid: what capable devs can or not is not really what matters, but that there are a whole lot more people posting patches than who apply them so the ones who post them need to make lifer easier for those who commit 13.22.26 # What are the guide lines. Where are they written? 13.22.28 # maxkelley: you around? 13.22.40 # ddalton: but my modifications are not particularily welcome here, so I'll keep them to myself I guess... 13.22.44 # what ones? 13.23.03 # the metronome for instance 13.23.15 Quit Soap ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518]") 13.23.29 # can you post all your patches or email them to me so I don't have to re do work that has already been done? 13.23.42 # chessbox is also fully voiced now, including menus. I have a blind friend who uses this since I wrote it to play chess in the train... 13.23.56 # can you email them to me then? 13.24.23 # ddalton: sure, I can drop your the whole thing in a mail, whats your address? 13.24.42 # daniel.dalton47@gmail.com 13.24.43 # delYsid: What's the tracker entry for this "unwelcome" patch? 13.25.20 # delYsid also do you know about voicebox? 13.25.42 # B4gder: yes, I've been doing project management as well in the past... but this case is just too simple to warrant all the complains. 13.26.21 # :-) 13.26.26 # Llorean: 7704 (the second patch that was uploaded by ddalton since it "splits" the basic functionality out of the chessbox addition) 13.26.31 # delYsid: It's not a case of how simple it is. It's a case of "There are rules, you don't get to pick when you can ignore them." 13.26.44 # delYsid: If the patch were two lines, or two thousand, I'd be saying the same thing: Two features, two patches. 13.27.49 # Llorean: for me, its not "two" features, I am blind, so I need announcements, if I dont have jingles I need frequencies... if only the jingle part were applied, that would not help me much, I'd still need to patch locally. 13.28.18 # delYsid: Yes, but the frequency voicing is very, very clearly a stand alone feature. 13.28.22 # delYsid: have you sent it? 13.28.40 # delYsid: You're intentionally choosing to put them in an order that one is useless without the other, but frequency voicing could very well be added without jingles. 13.28.49 # delYsid: Honestly, I'd settle for even "I'll be more careful in the future" but you've stated you seem to think you get to choose if this guideline doesn't apply to you. 13.28.53 # ddalton: not yet :-) 13.29.25 # Llorean: I will try to be more careful in the future. 13.29.59 # The point of this whole thing was to make you aware that there is a guideline, and that if something can be separated into features (even if one "feature" is dependent on another) it probably should be. 13.30.33 Join daurnimator [0] (n=fake@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 13.31.07 Join markun [0] (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 13.34.38 # * Llorean wonders at the intended use for the XML plugin 13.35.25 # DAISY-support 13.35.37 # Ah 13.37.14 # http://www.palantir.net/2001/tma1/wav/daisy.wav 13.37.34 # ddalton: sent. use at your own risk... 13.40.50 # thanks for the patch 13.41.20 Quit SofRaZorbacK ("au revoir, see you soon!") 13.44.07 # hmmm how big is the voice file? 13.44.25 # approx. 1.5MB here. 13.44.45 # no problem at all with my sansa, I actually use 22kHz mp3s which result in a 2MB voice file and it still works. 13.44.49 # ok not bad that's fine with me 13.45.22 # yeah it would but on the older targets 1.4 is about the max 13.45.45 # well, you can still lower the resampling rate of lame in your Makefile... 13.46.21 # Its sad that I have to do my one redistribution for blind friend s here, but well, thats the game.... 13.47.06 # what about the blind friend? 13.47.22 # delYsid: why do you have to do that? 13.47.37 # B4gder: because 7704 is apparently not going in... :-( 13.47.55 # so I do my own builds now for a couple of friends. 13.48.10 # i made an ebuild for the rockboxutilqt, but I can't add it, cause rockbox.org doesn't let me log in, although I'm registered 13.48.12 # I agree its sad that things aren't done right 13.48.45 # B4gder: what, in particular? 13.48.52 # voicing of plugins 13.49.12 # this is a topic as old as the sun 13.49.18 # so how can I put it on the website? 13.49.37 # B4gder: ahh, so I'll just give up and do my own mods then. 13.50.01 # delYsid: that's your choice, we don't make you go that route which you make it sound like 13.50.10 # it costs 2 times more energy to try to convince people here than to just code up what I need for myself... 13.50.17 # then do it RIGHT 13.50.27 # instead of hacking it in for you 13.50.38 # and we'll love it! 13.50.39 # Zagor: what would one have to pay for c200s in Sweden? 13.51.27 # B4gder: you know, open source, scratch your own itch and all that. 13.51.39 # pixelma: I paid ~550 SEK (EUR ~59)for a c250 2gb without radio 13.51.44 # delYsid: sure, but then don't whine when we don't accept it 13.51.56 # delYsid: can you send it to me as an attachment it seems to be failing here. What revision did you diff against? 13.51.58 # I'd like to do it right, but doing it *right* in this case means needless code and complication... a separate voice file for plugins would make the core quite a bit more complicated. 13.52.14 # it wouldn't have to be a separate file 13.52.18 # ddalton: latest, and it was an attachment. 13.52.31 # B4gder: what would it need to be then? 13.52.35 # since I am using a h300 I am happy with one big voice file but I know it won't ever get committed. 13.52.52 # delYsid: a way for the core to load parts of the file would be enough 13.52.55 Quit spiorf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.52.56 # MethoS-: did you read how to register/get write access in the wiki thoroughly 13.52.58 # was it sorry. tb doesn't tell me that with jfw. 13.53.20 # Zagor: ah, ok. Seems to be in the same range as here, hmmm.... 13.53.22 # delYsid: and if its needless, we don't need it so why do you need it? 13.53.25 # what is part 1.2? 13.53.39 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host132-221-dynamic.11-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 13.53.56 # pixelma: in general you (germany) have cheaper electronics than us in Sweden 13.54.29 # B4gder: because actually, for most plugin voicification we dont need to add that many strings... so the voice file doesnt get much bigger... 13.54.33 # o I see 13.54.47 # I read it, but it seems like I missed some sentences 13.55.02 # delYsid: but we want a system that works for all plugins, for all languanges and for voicing. We don't want a hacking ad-hoc thing. 13.55.02 # B4gder: yes, forgot a bit about your taxes... 13.55.20 # so: can I get write-premissions, please 13.55.21 # "hackish" even 13.55.39 # MethoS-: not as MethoS 13.56.00 # ? 13.56.03 # (I assume that's you) 13.57.04 # it is 13.57.50 Join moos [0] (i=moos@m17.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 13.58.01 # Hello there 13.58.58 # MethoS-: we require you to make your wiki name out of the real name (without abbreviating too) 13.59.39 # "Your WikiName must be your real first and last name concatenated, like JohnSmith or SteveAnderson. It's not JohnS, SteveA or NinjaBoy." 13.59.47 # i know 14.02.05 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 14.02.36 # and how does MethoS fit there - or did you already registered following the guidelines, if so what wiki name is it? 14.02.56 # I dont't get it... I gave information about my realname at registration 14.03.12 # you need to use your real name as wiki name. 14.03.26 # why is that?? 14.03.35 # new frontpage layout again. bring on the flames :) 14.03.39 # because we require it. It's a project policy. 14.04.20 # Zagor: much better. 14.04.39 # Zagor: those since-links need to go in there somewhere too, so many people ask for them 14.04.49 # B4gder: right, me fix 14.04.52 # I was just about to ask about them ;) 14.05.20 # * B4gder spots that we have posts from Daniel x 3 in the mailing lists... 14.06.45 # how can i change my wiki-name? it always says "acces denied", if I try to change something 14.07.19 # allow me 14.07.39 Join DrAlex [0] (i=Alex@89.1.103.226.dynamic.barak-online.net) 14.07.44 # Hello 14.07.56 # MethoS-: you're now ClemensWerther 14.08.30 # thx 14.08.39 # anybody can help me? 14.08.56 # no. We don't know your problem. 14.09.00 # true 14.09.03 # unless you tell us, of course ... ;) 14.09.53 # Well, I've MP4 Meizu M6, and i want know if i can instal Rorck box system? 14.10.02 # short answer: no 14.10.06 # DrAlex: you just need to port rockbox to it first! 14.10.09 # ahhh 14.10.42 # what? i dont understand.. 14.10.43 # long answer: Rockbox hasn't been ported to that player. Because of this it isn't advertised. You need to port it, see http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPort 14.12.00 # Zagor: the centered news table looks nice. How about centering the logo too? 14.12.10 # I just did 14.12.20 # * bluebrother refreshes page 14.12.23 # :) 14.12.44 Part DrAlex 14.14.07 # zagor: why not an icon a bit bigger? 14.14.24 # * amiconn thinks the "what" and "where" columns should be swapped 14.14.29 # moos: icon? 14.14.39 # rockbox logo I meant 14.14.56 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@hdp186.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 14.15.01 # Anyone here familiar with the way software usb is supposed to work in rockbox? 14.15.14 # amiconn: done 14.15.48 # now I cant log in with my real name (without spaces) and my pw 14.16.34 # moos: I don't quite see an advantage of using a bigger logo. it only steals space we want for text. 14.17.01 # isn't the logo big enough? Given you have a usual display resolution? 14.17.26 # MethoS-: hm, yeah I bet I confused it by renaming your user wiki page... 14.17.31 Join BigBambiWork [0] (i=86ceaf30@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-97c93fdf3e0e5c92) 14.17.33 # amiconn: it looks a bit weird in that order, but I guess that's just habit 14.17.42 # :me performs a hit and run 14.17.59 # hmm, i think the column widths should be somewhat artificially limited 14.18.00 # zagor: that was just an estetical thought, for make things more proportionnel 14.18.09 # it's really tiresome to read them when they're 1600 pixels wide 14.18.15 # D'oh - French keyboard 14.18.28 # Zagor: Much better :) 14.18.52 # preglow: hi 14.19.08 # grrr, Zagor do you know in what file the twiki users htacccess is stored? 14.19.24 # moos: hellos 14.19.24 Quit BigBambiWork (Client Quit) 14.20.11 # preglow: did you encountered quality problems with some musepack files since your last commit? for ARM that is 14.20.24 # moos: no, but i haven't used many musepack files since last 14.20.35 # I supose that people already reported this before 14.20.41 # ahh :( 14.20.50 # reported before? 14.20.52 # you have some? 14.21.04 # MethoS-: try again! 14.21.07 # yup, on ARM we lost quality 14.21.10 # k 14.21.13 # @preglow 14.21.32 # moos: sure, but do you have any where the quality loss is audible? 14.21.42 # preglow: encountered with gigabeat 14.21.45 # worx 14.21.53 # hi moos! 14.21.56 # moos: how does it sound? 14.21.56 # and the quality loss is very audible 14.22.02 # preglow: better? 14.22.09 # for some files bad 14.22.17 # salut markun 14.22.29 # Zagor: oh yes 14.22.49 # i hate having unused space on web pages, but too wide columns forces the eyes to go back and forward all the time, which gets tiring 14.22.52 # preglow: do you have an ARM target? 14.23.01 # (this is why newspapers use multiple columns) 14.23.04 # moos: sure 14.23.24 # then let me send you some test files 14.23.32 # maybe just break the commit message at 80 characters? 14.23.37 # that sound fine on coldfire but not on ARM 14.23.37 # moos: can't test now, though, but feel free to test 14.23.44 # ehh 14.23.44 # send 14.23.45 # :D 14.23.55 # IIRC there was some "soft break" entity in html 14.24.38 # I simply canot listen to some mpc files on my gigabeat since this commit, that's strange that no one reported this before 14.25.13 # breaking floating text looks really bad when you have smaller screen. you get wraps everywhere. soft wrap is not cross-browser supported iirc. 14.25.27 # preglow: are the musepack users as rare as this? :) 14.25.39 # isn't this max-width good enough? 14.25.42 # moos: i don't know, i clearly stated in the commit message that they should tell me if they heard anything 14.25.49 # i've heard absolutely nothing so far 14.27.06 # I will send you files for that you hear (not right now, but later today) if you want 14.27.14 Quit frederv_ ("leaving") 14.27.14 # moos: sure, i'd love to 14.27.25 # moos: might not be able to check it out before after the weekend, but i will do so 14.27.43 # ok, I will send you 14.28.56 # out of curiosity, what is the difference in sound? 14.30.13 Quit nerochiaro (Remote closed the connection) 14.30.28 Join nerochiaro [0] (n=nerochia@adsl203-164-174.mclink.it) 14.30.45 # sound quality was fine, but after those changes, the sound is "distorded". The difference is big 14.32.11 Join frederv [0] (i=frederv@gaupe.stud.ntnu.no) 14.33.15 # do you have any idea what i am doing wrong: i can't get my database updated. i add new album to my e260 and tried to update it but the album doesn't show on the album list. if i try to initialize the database, i only see the new album i add but nothing else. 14.34.08 Join rogelio [0] (n=rogelio@189.146.222.125) 14.34.39 Join SofRaZorbacK [0] (n=sof@gar31-1-82-66-75-34.fbx.proxad.net) 14.35.12 # in-jane: are the files tagged? 14.36.15 # SofRaZorbacK: Have you done the translation? 14.36.23 # yes, because if i initialize the database. i see the new files but not the old files anymore unless i initialize the database again. after that i see the old files again but ot the new ones 14.36.37 # ot=not 14.36.39 # isn't there an update database option? 14.36.53 # hmm i know it's a bit of topic but i need to know if some blind guys could telle me what irc client they are using under windows .i haven't problems with mIRC display 14.37.24 # yes, i've tried to update it but it's not working (it doesn't find the new album) 14.37.32 # BOFH net irc. I can't even use mirc with jfw. 14.37.51 # in the same dir are they? 14.38.11 # who is blind here? :-) 14.38.28 # ddalton : gonna try that thx 14.38.38 # ddalton: well, many blind users use rockbox....due to its voice support 14.38.44 # yes, the file structure is /music/%artist%/%album%/ 14.38.55 # I know that I said is there any on here blind a part from myself? 14.42.05 # ddalton: if you mean in this channel - I don't think so. 14.42.51 # I thought delYsid is too 14.44.41 Part rogelio ("Kopete 0.12.4 : http://kopete.kde.org") 14.46.50 # for p7779 you should probably speak "point" 14.47.32 Quit CaptainSquid ("Miranda IM!") 14.50.28 Quit SofRaZorbacK (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.50.46 Quit ddalton ("leaving") 14.54.05 # MethoS-: I just noticed the rbutil ebuild ... do I understand it correctly that yon install rbutil.ini in /etc? 14.54.23 Join kclaf [0] (i=kclaf@85.95.211.245) 14.54.42 # rbutil.ini is build into the binary and not searched in /etc, so putting it there doesn't make sense. 14.55.05 Join nicktastic [0] (n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic) 14.55.11 # bluebrother: where is it searched for then ? 14.55.43 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@85.179.50.193) 14.55.44 # in the binary folder. Generally it should always use the buildin one. 14.56.11 # imho that's bad practise on unix 14.56.19 # and there was already discussion about removing the code to look for an external file. 14.56.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.56.44 # well, the idea was for portable installs to look in the binary folder. 14.57.19 # but after thinking about it for a while I think we shouldn't use anything but the buildin file 14.57.26 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@235.8.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 14.57.43 # as an updated file will most likely also require an updated binary for changed installation procedure or similar 14.59.34 # bluebrother: thats right, that's the same, where the old ebuild for the wx version put it 15.00.28 # /etc is the right place for config files of all sorts 15.00.40 # if they're to be used systemwide 15.00.50 # otherwise it should be something like ~/.rbutil.ini 15.01.14 # thing is that it's not something like a systemwide configuration nor a user configuration 15.01.29 # user config goes to ~/.config/rockbox.org 15.02.10 # that file only holds some values used in the binary itself. 15.02.31 # and that is also the reason why the file is included in the binary. 15.10.35 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-069-134-102-044.nc.res.rr.com) 15.10.51 Join datasleep [0] (n=datachil@217-208-144-87-no75.tbcn.telia.com) 15.11.22 Quit datachild (Nick collision from services.) 15.16.49 Quit Justcameron ("CGI:IRC") 15.19.10 Join Justcameron [0] (i=db5abdf1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-7e127ae9766023c3) 15.23.10 Join MethoS-- [0] (n=clemens@pD955D7FB.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.24.48 Quit XtaZee ("leaving") 15.27.19 Part LinusN 15.28.18 Quit DarkED (Remote closed the connection) 15.28.42 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 15.29.41 Quit B4gder ("It is time to say MOOO") 15.34.13 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.52.41 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host132-221-dynamic.11-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 15.53.38 Join derek_ [0] (n=derek@CPE-24-164-251-144.new.res.rr.com) 15.55.33 # hello 15.57.00 # hi derek_ 15.57.08 # How would one install a theme for Rockbox? 15.57.26 # (iAudio X5) 15.57.36 # derek_: have you tried using RockboxUtility ? 15.57.49 # nope. thanks for the tip 15.58.04 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtilityQt 15.59.23 # thanks again. out of curiosity, though; what directory would a theme's .zip be expanded to? 16.00.14 # derek_: normally just to the root of the player ( the zips should have the right dir structure) 16.00.21 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 16.00.36 # but rbutil can do this for you :-) 16.01.01 # hmm ok - trying it out right now 16.01.34 Part pixelma 16.02.48 # wow, i wonder why rbutil this isnt on rockbox's homepage for noobz!! 16.05.37 # rbutil is very new, and not completly ready, when it is, it will be on the frontpage :-) 16.06.16 # at the moment it mostly needs testing.. so if you notice problems.. tell us :-) 16.06.34 # nice. sweet thanks again 4 tha great tip 16.07.42 # tell you where 16.07.58 # here? 16.08.19 # ha cuz Ive already got 1 16.08.39 # yes, here or mak a entry in the patch tracker, if nobody reacts here... 16.08.51 # ok. 16.09.03 # * Domonoky is one of the main devs of rbutil.. so tell me the problem.. :-) 16.09.05 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@207.72.174.235) 16.10.59 # right. MacOS 10.5 - She won't autodetect or let me manually choose directory for device; even if i browse; only shows my hard drive 16.12.02 # 'directory for device' = mountpoint 16.12.05 # ah.. MacOsX, thats less tested... autodetection doesnt work every time.. but the selection, that probably a bug :-) 16.12.53 # where are the device on macosX normally in the tree ? 16.13.07 # * Domonoky opens the source code.. :-) 16.13.13 # parallel to the hard drive 16.13.32 # Domonoky: /dev/diskn 16.13.51 # as far as I can tell looking at a finder window; o ok one sec 16.15.07 # Domonoky: or do you mean "where are they mounted?" 16.15.12 # in which case I don't know =/ 16.15.17 # I can't tell at the moment. i need a terminal command for showing hidden folders one sec 16.15.26 # derek_: "ls -a" 16.15.35 # cool 16.15.36 # hm.. the source of rbutil says that it handles it the same as linux.... so it should work.. i think... 16.15.50 # Domonoky: they should get listed in mtab 16.16.03 # maybe i should try logginf out and back in again 16.16.12 # yay for the new rockbox front page, thanks Zagor 16.16.14 # if the device is mounted into the tree like on linux, you should be abel to choose it.. 16.16.18 # delYsid: what happens if you do "mount" in the temrinal window ? 16.16.32 # derek_: sorry - meant that for you 16.16.35 # delYsid: sorry! 16.17.11 # "/dev/disk2s1 on /Volumes/IAUDIO" that what you're looking for? 16.17.16 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 16.17.43 # that's the one 16.17.44 # jeah.. so browse to /Volumes/IAUDIO in rbutil for the mountpoint... 16.18.05 # where would i type that in 16.18.22 # OH I SEE 16.18.24 # n/m 16.19.09 # maybe we could limit the dir brwose dialog (to choose the mountpoint) to /Volumes in MacOsX ? 16.19.17 # I really out to remember that /Volumes thing 16.19.20 # I've seen it enough times now 16.19.28 # Domonoky: good idea 16.19.31 # WOOHOO success thanks 16.19.48 # GodEater_: is it always /Volumes on MacOsX ? 16.19.55 # Domonoky: so I'm given to understand 16.20.05 # linuxstb is the expert, but I recall him saying that 16.23.48 # Domonoky: also, I think http_proxy should default to system if there's one set, otherwise, to none 16.23.50 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-208-40.student.uu.se) 16.24.07 Quit derek_ () 16.24.07 # its always /Volumes when its automounted 16.25.02 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@207.72.174.235) 16.26.16 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.27.59 # * Domonoky will limit the dialog to /Volumes on mac... if you mount by hand.. you have to type it in :-) 16.28.53 # good plan 16.29.05 # we should do similar on linux 16.29.15 # and limit the dialog to /media 16.29.38 Quit The-Compiler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.30.16 # doesnt this depend on the distro, fo linux ? i thought there were some which mounted to /mnt ... 16.31.10 # I think the new automounting features of most distros default to /media 16.31.26 Join derek_ [0] (n=derek@CPE-24-164-251-144.new.res.rr.com) 16.31.27 # /mnt is a historical place left over when you use to do the mounting manually 16.31.33 # it was best practise to mount there 16.31.49 # for some reason the writes of the automounting stuff have chosen /media as the place to put devices now though 16.31.58 # s/writes/writers 16.32.19 # oki.. the i will limit it, and blame GodEater, i someone complains.. :-) 16.32.29 # although I'm willing to have someone with a distro that does it differently tell me otherwise 16.32.39 # * GodEater is used to being blamed for stuff too 16.32.47 # * Domonoky insert an h and a f where it fits... :-) 16.33.47 # any way to get additional themes to show up in rbutil? 16.34.11 # derek_: how many show up now ? 16.34.47 # rbutil shows the themes from rockbox-themes.. if there arnt more, it cant show more.. :-) 16.35.25 # shucks. and 18, GodEater 16.35.41 # so if that's all there is on the site, that's all that will show 16.36.34 # we are waiting for scorche to complete the official wps page.. :-) 16.37.20 # and he's in bed at the moment 16.37.21 # :) 16.37.49 # FYI: there are 32 @ rockbox-themes for my device 16.38.04 # Domonoky: does it show unofficial build themes too ? 16.38.22 # rbutil also only shows themes which work with the official build.. themes for patched builds are excluded.. 16.38.23 # ah, I see. indeed it does. 16.38.59 # thanks nerds 16.39.05 # :-) 16.39.13 # :D 16.39.21 Quit derek_ () 16.40.45 # another happy customer 16.41.18 # ... without having a product ;) 16.41.56 # hehe 16.42.04 # damn, did he forget to pay too ? 16.42.59 # saying "thank you" should enter you in a legally biding contract to donate some money :) 16.43.37 # hmm, he said "thanks nerd" -- does this count too? 16.44.10 # I think so 16.44.40 # in fact, that means he has to donate more, since he was cheeky too 16.44.48 # i think that'd require a team of lawyers and a judge to decide 16.44.55 # by calling us "nerds"? 16.45.00 # yep 16.45.12 # when it's clear we are in fact geeks, and not nerds 16.45.16 # :) 16.45.17 # * bluebrother notes a case issue in rbutil ... 16.45.53 Quit Justcameron ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 16.46.48 Join SoulPropagatio1 [0] (n=ethan@unaffiliated/soulpropagation) 16.47.24 Quit chrisjs169 (Remote closed the connection) 16.48.03 Quit jhulst (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.52.47 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007073113]") 16.53.44 # O hai guise. 16.54.02 # SoulPropagatio1: english please. Proper english. 16.54.25 # GodEater, You've never seen that meme? D: 16.55.10 # SoulPropagatio1: doesn't matter if I have or haven't - we have people here who are relying on screenreaders because they are blind. Having that in here plays havoc with them - so don't do it please. 16.56.03 # Oh, alright, thanks for the advice 16.56.21 # thank you for abiding by it :) 16.56.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.56.32 # Not a problem 16.57.56 # the rules are less strict in #rockbox-community if you want to hang there too 17.04.10 # Actually, I just had one question as of right now -- can I sell an MP3 player on the mailing list? I can't get it to work in its native firmware but Rockbox works juuuust fine so I'm betting it wouldn't sell as well outside the RB community 17.05.21 # I personally don't object, but I'd get approval from Llorean, Bagder, LinusN or Zagor ideally 17.06.21 # ok, should I just PM one of 'um or wait for them to show up? 17.06.52 # either MemoServ them, or just wait 17.07.32 # Ok thanks 17.11.49 # someone else tried to sell his AJBR on the user-ml just yesterday. I don't think someone objected (but I might have missed that ...) 17.13.22 # yeah I can't think of a reason anyone *would* object - but I don't feel in a position to just say "go ahead" either 17.15.06 # yup. Just noticed that email ... 17.16.28 Join Buschel [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3FC58.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.18.23 Quit moos ("Glory to Rockbox") 17.20.52 Quit m4z3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.21.17 Join maze [0] (n=eh@CPE-76-177-169-180.natsoe.res.rr.com) 17.24.20 Join Frazz [0] (n=Fraser@thelawsons.plus.com) 17.25.18 # I memoserv'd Llorean too just to be on the safe side. :3 17.29.37 # Honestly, I just complain a lot, I'm not one to give permission. But I'd say offering a Rockbox target on list is fair, though odds may not be the greatest (most people on-list already have a Rockbox target, that's why they're there) 17.29.46 # I'm curious which type of player. 17.30.48 Join m4z3 [0] (n=eh@CPE-76-177-169-180.natsoe.res.rr.com) 17.34.29 # Llorean: 30Gb iPod 5.0, but it has a 5.5 (I think) screen so the 5.0 OS doesn't see it... or something like that 17.34.40 Join chrisjs169 [0] (n=jack@pool-71-114-128-205.hrbgpa.dsl-w.verizon.net) 17.34.54 # * Domonoky still wonders what is not working with e200rpatcher and windows.. (i dont have a e200r, so i cant test) 17.35.38 # Domonoky: Did anyone ever get the libusb stuff working, or is it still stuck at that? 17.36.42 # i dont know... i can compile and run it.. and it enumerates the usb ids..but i cant test further without device.. 17.36.47 Join Ewout1982 [0] (i=5742d539@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-616661f8897725cc) 17.36.54 # can anybody help me? 17.37.25 # Ewout1982: only if you tell us the problem.. :-) 17.37.31 # Ewout1982: Let me speak for everyone here when I say "with what"? 17.37.45 # "with what?" * 17.37.47 # i have put the new est fusionbuild on my ipod, and now it isn't able to connect to my pc again? I restarted my pc, no result. I rebooted my ipod (menu+enter) no result 17.38.19 # after 17.38.30 # put it into disk mode. 17.38.38 # Ewout1982: You're using an unsupported build. 17.38.40 Quit nerochiaro ("network is feelink sick") 17.38.42 # You really shouldn't be asking for help here. 17.38.46 # fusionbuild isn't supported. 17.40.03 Quit m4z3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.40.22 Join m4z3 [0] (n=eh@CPE-76-177-169-180.natsoe.res.rr.com) 17.40.22 # how can I put in disk mode? 17.40.46 # Ewout1982: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore#How_to_restore_an_ipod 17.40.48 # reboot the Ipod by holding Menu + Select. Once the Ipod reboots press Play + Select 17.41.06 # see also the IpodFaq wiki page 17.41.15 # Ewout1982: google is your friend 17.41.43 Join freqmod [0] (n=freqmod@m103h.studby.ntnu.no) 17.41.53 Quit frederv ("leaving") 17.42.02 Quit lost|X40 ("Leaving") 17.43.53 # Thanks for your help guys. See ya 17.43.53 Part SoulPropagatio1 ("Leaving.") 17.45.48 Quit Ewout1982 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 17.46.14 Quit maze (Connection timed out) 17.47.38 Quit akaias (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.48.54 Join SofRaZorbacK [0] (n=sof@gar31-1-82-66-75-34.fbx.proxad.net) 17.49.20 # hey guys, is the iriver ihp120 supported by rockbox ? 17.49.28 # yes 17.49.43 # is it an early port 17.49.44 # ? 17.49.51 # new 17.49.54 # no, very stable.. 17.49.59 # cool thx again 17.50.09 # it was the first after the archos players.. 17.50.22 # SofRaZorbacK: that port has had audio playback for about 2 years iirc 17.50.24 Quit Frazz ("Leaving") 17.50.38 Join Frazz [0] (n=Fraser@thelawsons.plus.com) 17.50.43 # and the h120 is a very good player... 17.51.00 # thx all for your clear response. 17.51.50 # we are talking about the IHP 120 correct ? 17.51.57 # not the h120 17.52.16 # whoops think there is no h120 17.52.22 # but h320 17.52.24 Quit Buschel () 17.54.45 # h120 and ihp120 are the same.. manufacture change the name sometime.. 17.55.03 Join agm3nt [0] (i=agm3nt@nat.n3t.pl) 17.55.21 # Domonoky: ok just to be sure thx 17.56.23 Quit SofRaZorbacK () 17.56.30 Quit m4z3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.56.50 Join maze [0] (n=eh@CPE-76-177-169-180.natsoe.res.rr.com) 17.57.35 # Domonoky: do you think we should remove support for rbutil.ini in the executable folder? 17.59.29 # hm.. i dont know.. it was nice to easily change urls an such.. but its not really needed.. 17.59.54 # you can still do that easily. Just recompile afterwards ;) 18.00.59 Quit obo ("bye") 18.01.24 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@207.72.174.235) 18.09.31 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@122.34.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 18.10.20 Quit agm3nt (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18.11.01 Join Agm3nt [0] (i=nat-107@nat.n3t.pl) 18.13.28 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p549654E1.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.21.05 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 18.25.27 Join Kupopop [0] (n=Jono@cpc1-bsfd2-0-0-cust26.cmbg.cable.ntl.com) 18.26.20 # I installed a self compiled rockbox for the first time and now I get a -2 error from the bootloader and the origional firmware loads instead 18.27.06 Quit The-Compiler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.27.33 # on the install guide it says what a -1 error is but not -2 18.28.30 # what device Kupopop 18.29.13 # iHP140 18.29.33 # I think the build went okay 18.30.25 # I'll try installing the pre-made daily build and see if that works 18.30.40 # Kupopop: did you safely remove the device ? try reextracting it.. 18.31.19 # * Domonoky doesnt know for sure what error -2 is, but i think checksum error... 18.31.56 # safely remove? I just ripped the usb cable out :/ 18.32.07 # nope, the pre made daily build dosent work eaither 18.32.14 # that's usually not a good idea ... 18.32.30 # maybe it's an outdated bootloader? What version does it show? 18.32.48 # I kinda deleted rockbox.iriver from the base directory too 18.32.53 # could this be the source of my woes? 18.33.10 # possibly, if your bootloader is _very_ old. What version does it show? 18.33.12 # bootloader version 5 18.33.37 # hmm, IIRC you need at least version 6 for rockbox.iriver to be in /.rockbox 18.33.58 # okay so I should reflash with a newer bootloader then? 18.34.06 # so yes, it's because rockbox.iriver isn't found. Upgrade the bootloader or move rockbox.iriver to the root folder 18.34.21 # I suggest flashing a new bootloader ;) 18.35.19 # updating the bootloader is surely good, but shouldnt you get a error -1 when it cant find rockbox.iriver ? 18.35.39 # -2 18.36.17 # hmm. 18.36.22 # * bluebrother scratches head 18.36.33 # humm this is strange, rockbox.iriver is showing as being 0 bytes 18.36.34 # so if you just pulled out the cable, i would just try to re extract it, an try a safe remove.. :-) 18.37.03 # I'll try doing this in windows 18.37.11 # its because you pulled the cable.. you interruppted the write of the file :-) 18.37.22 # ah: check bootloader/common.h for error codes ... -2 is wrong checksum 18.37.26 # everything had already been written though? 18.37.51 # I have no idea how to eject a usb hard drive in ubuntu :/ 18.38.08 # Kupopop: usually the OS caches data. This means that not necessarily the data is already written to disc once the copy process finishes. 18.38.15 # you ripped of the drive on _linux_? 18.38.23 # Kupopop: unmount it before pulling the cable.. 18.38.24 # urgh :( That's even worse than on windows. 18.39.04 # I'm not sure where stuff gets mounted to in ubuntu, I can't see anything in /mnt/ but I'll find out.. 18.39.14 # check /media 18.39.31 # aha :) 18.39.31 # Kupopop: if you use the gui... right click onm the drive icon.. :-) 18.40.03 # open a terminal, type "mount", identify the mount point and then "umount " 18.40.39 Join H [0] (i=58901da6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-50e8c615d5bbb6a3) 18.40.50 # the noob way: right click on the drive icon on the destop and choose unmount.. :-) 18.41.12 # my kde desktop even shows "safely remove" in the context menu :) 18.42.30 # Hi, Im having a few problems with wps on my Rriver H140D when I load most of the defalt thems on rockbox the differant items on the display overlap, e.g song artist and the music progress bar 18.42.44 # is this because the wps was not made for my mp3 player model? 18.42.47 # have you installed the fonts package? 18.43.01 # hmmm no I dont think I have 18.43.22 # Will this fix the problem? :) 18.43.23 # you read the manual? 18.43.47 # it tells you that you need the fonts for most themes ... 18.44.01 # oh ok :P 18.44.11 # thanks 18.44.44 Quit tictoc (Remote closed the connection) 18.45.18 # got everything working now thanks :) 18.45.54 # just remember: never just pull out an external drive on linux ;) 18.46.08 Join tictoc [0] (i=tabac@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xB9002659) 18.48.39 # Ah perfect the theme I wanhted is working great now :) 18.48.48 # thanks for the help c ya 18.48.54 Quit H ("CGI:IRC") 18.52.27 Quit maze (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.52.44 Join maze [0] (n=eh@CPE-76-177-169-180.natsoe.res.rr.com) 18.52.57 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@bas3-montreal28-1242530186.dsl.bell.ca) 18.53.58 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 18.56.14 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 18.56.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.58.26 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 19.01.50 Join senab [0] (n=chatzill@82-35-229-48.cable.ubr01.smal.blueyonder.co.uk) 19.05.58 Part Agm3nt 19.10.09 Join agm3nt [0] (n=agm3nt@nat.n3t.pl) 19.13.53 Part agm3nt 19.17.00 Quit maze (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.17.14 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host132-221-dynamic.11-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 19.17.29 Join maze [0] (n=eh@CPE-76-177-169-180.natsoe.res.rr.com) 19.18.15 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@bas3-montreal28-1242530186.dsl.bell.ca) 19.19.27 Quit petur ("dinner time") 19.26.28 # on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoWritePlugins it says: 19.26.29 # rb->splash(HZ*2, "Hello world!"); 19.26.29 DEBUG Parse error in OnPrivmsg(from = "Kupopop!n=Jono@cpc1-bsfd2-0-0-cust26.cmbg.cable.ntl.com", line = "#rockbox :") (snapshot: server.c line 191) 19.26.33 # -- corrected "rb->splash(HZ*2, true, "Hello world!");" which was causing runtime error -- OzgurOzturk - 27 Jun 2007 19.26.49 # so is the 2nd version with ,true the correct one? 19.30.28 Join eigma [0] (n=cat@CABLE-206-188-76-21.cia.com) 19.31.08 # nope, its the first one :) 19.35.15 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 19.35.24 Quit senab ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518]") 19.44.52 Join obo [0] (n=obo@rockbox/developer/obo) 19.47.18 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.47.18 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 19.51.53 Join floola [0] (n=floola@host112-149-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 19.52.08 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@202.14.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 19.55.04 Quit floola (Client Quit) 19.59.26 Join Domonoky_ [0] (n=Domonoky@85.179.50.193) 19.59.52 Quit Domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.03.05 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 20.03.08 Join e280ruser [0] (i=47608f50@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-cc3887d293e93797) 20.03.54 Quit atsea-57 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.04.18 Join Euro4Ever [0] (n=f@gar31-1-82-66-75-34.fbx.proxad.net) 20.04.28 # I have a question regarding the e200tool. I was wondering if I would need libusb to run this tool after I have compiled it, or if I can remove it once I have compiled the tool? 20.05.07 # you need libusb. You can only remove it if you linked statically. 20.05.41 # Ok, thank you. 20.05.44 Quit e280ruser (Client Quit) 20.07.51 Join bejic [0] (i=bejic@80.178.176.240.adsl.012.net.il) 20.11.03 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A97B9E.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.11.11 Quit desowin (Client Quit) 20.19.38 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@hdp186.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 20.23.35 Quit bejic () 20.27.33 Join derek__ [0] (n=derek@CPE-24-164-251-144.new.res.rr.com) 20.28.30 # how does one install & activate a rockbox theme? 20.29.44 # an easy way would be to use rbutil... :-) or just download and unzip the theme to the root of your player... you can then select the theme in rockbox.. 20.31.03 # *ahem* a theme for an unsupported build ;) 20.32.01 # ok - i just discovered you activate it after booting rockbox but thanks anyway 20.32.28 # there is a reason why they are named "unsupported"... :-) 20.33.07 # o i thought it was suppossed to make it sound cooler 20.33.32 # so u said to the root of the device, not to /.rockbox? 20.33.35 Join Buschel [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3FC58.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.34.52 # the zip should contain the correct dir structure to unzip to root... 20.35.09 # derek__: it depends on how the theme file was zipped. Usually you unzip it to the root as the theme file is supposed to contain the required folder structure 20.35.43 # what would the correct file structure look like for an unzipped theme? 20.35.44 Join Redbreva [0] (n=chatzill@host86-140-15-19.range86-140.btcentralplus.com) 20.40.39 # it would contain the theme file in /.rockbox/themes, the wps in /.rockbox/wps etc. 20.40.50 # ok 20.40.59 Quit derek__ () 20.42.55 Join atsea-57 [0] (i=atsea-@gateway/tor/x-b1601ba4bce7e434) 20.47.24 Join [Rane] [0] (n=Rane@atlanta.national-net.com) 20.48.53 Join thisislame [0] (i=54410299@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8a77c7fa5165e09e) 20.49.27 # anyone know a cgi:irc client I can access #ubuntu on? 20.49.52 # thisislame: As that question has nothing to do with Rockbox, I suggest you address it to google... 20.50.01 # I did 20.50.02 # thats how I got here 20.50.24 # it's the only one I hadn't already tried 20.51.41 Quit thisislame (Client Quit) 20.54.20 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=lostnihi@c-24-1-62-55.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 20.56.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.58.01 Quit atsea-57 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.58.09 Join senab [0] (n=chatzill@82-35-229-48.cable.ubr01.smal.blueyonder.co.uk) 20.58.50 Join trek [0] (n=trek@expt94-dhcp-7.ecn.purdue.edu) 20.59.25 # there is ircatwork.com ... 20.59.35 Join amiconn[test] [0] (i=54bd73d9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-bc49aa673c24fe01) 21.00.00 # * amiconn trying that right now 21.00.08 # It's sloo-ooow though 21.04.03 Quit amiconn[test] (Client Quit) 21.04.18 Join atsea-57 [0] (i=atsea-@gateway/tor/x-aa0dadf4c02e530a) 21.04.19 # <[Rane]> That was...very interesting. I just returned to my desk, sat down, and my Rockbox'ed iPod just started up without being touched. 21.06.15 # nice 21.06.23 # <[Rane]> Hi by the way. I'll be lurking for nuggets of wisdom while I tinker off and on. Not sure if an introduction is desired on a pure dev channel. 21.06.30 # it clearly wants your attention 21.08.45 Quit trek ("Leaving") 21.11.18 # Why is the mount point selection being limited to /media on linux in rbutil ? 21.12.54 # blame GodEater_ :-) because it the normal mountpoint for all automounters on linux... 21.13.07 # Mine uses /mnt/ipod 21.13.20 # and i'm sure that lots of people also have some "non standard" mount points 21.13.26 # sounds somewhat outdated ;) 21.13.35 Join linuxstb [0] (n=chatzill@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 21.14.05 # maybe that path shouldn't restrict but only get used as default selection unless you have a valid path in the input box? 21.14.11 # Making /media the default is a good idea 21.14.17 # but you shouldn't limit it to that 21.14.28 # bluebrother: right. 21.14.30 # I agree that /media should be a good default, but not a restriction. 21.14.32 # What happens currently if /media doesn't exist? 21.15.48 # * dionoea tests 21.16.05 # * bluebrother doesn't know 21.16.12 # linuxstb: it doesn't change the root 21.16.18 # (so it leaves it as "/") 21.16.26 # and it uses the current dir as default 21.17.10 # Can i change the behavior ? (or is someone already doing that?) 21.17.34 # * Domonoky_ isnt, so feel free to modify it .. :-) 21.17.38 # ok 21.17.48 # basically it's changing setRoot to setDir 21.18.06 # should i change it for OS X too ? 21.18.37 # I think it's fine for OS X. 21.18.52 # ok 21.20.39 # I did something to my ipod from some instructions on the wiki, because rockbox was unable to read the fat32 partition that I had on it 21.21.13 # now I'm trying to find that same package to use an fsck-like tool to try and repair the filesystem on my ipod which has apparently gone wonky 21.21.20 # anyone know what this package was? 21.22.00 # on what os? 21.22.04 # linux 21.22.10 # fsck.vfat 21.22.34 # I didn't use mkfs.vfat 21.22.42 # u sure? 21.22.52 # apparently rockbox can't handle filesystems that were made with that 21.23.02 # and what's the problem with that? fsck.vfat will check a vfat volume. 21.23.03 # I'm positive 21.23.13 # how about mkfs.fat32 21.23.13 # because it doesn't work 21.23.23 # IT WASN'T THE MAIN VFAT UTILS 21.23.27 # it was some other utility 21.23.40 # the main ones aren't working, they throw errors about not being able to seek 21.23.45 # OK HACHI 21.23.55 # mkfs.vfat -F 32 21.24.27 # Why don't you use a QFileDialog for the directory choice dialog ? (instead of a custom class) 21.24.41 # if it has problems seeking on that partition there is maybe something really broken with the disc? 21.25.01 # dionoea: because it has some strange behaviour if you want to select a folder (and not a file) 21.25.05 # no, the problem is the main vfat utils don't work properly on a 5.5g ipoid 21.25.15 # or at least, taht's what someone like llorean or someone told me 21.25.21 # Wasn't me. 21.25.22 # bluebrother: hum ... works fine in the VLC open dir dialog :/ 21.25.33 # dionoea: does that dialog open a file or folder? 21.25.40 # folder 21.25.48 # I came in here, my ipod wouldn't run rockbox because the filesystem wouldn't get recognized 21.25.49 # since it's the "open dir(ectory)" dialog 21.25.56 # mkfs.vfat -F 32 -S 2048 21.25.58 # eventually they were like "are you running ipodlinux" 21.26.09 # and suddenly they pointed me to a different set of instructions that 21.26.12 # try to open a folder by double-clicking it. The folder name gets put into the edit line and the dialog switches to that folder 21.26.15 # do not tell me to use mkfs.vfat 21.26.25 # haha 21.26.41 # and then clicking ok throws an error because the folder in the input line does not exist ... 21.26.42 Join amiconn_m [0] (n=amiconn_@tmo-108-2.customers.d1-online.com) 21.26.50 # MTOOLS would be the right answer I was looking for here 21.27.06 # before you guys go off telling people to use mkfs.vfat you may want to talk to whoever told me to use mtools 21.27.11 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 21.27.12 # but maybe I just didn't found out how to configure the dialog properly? 21.27.18 # hachi: if dont want help, why do you ask ? .. 21.27.22 # I'll give it a try. 21.27.42 # I wanted help, but you weren't answering my question, you were answering how to format my disk 21.28.29 # Crazy - irc from my mobile phone 21.28.49 # also, IMO a tree is less confusing to select a folder. But that might just be a matter of taste ... 21.28.56 # amiconn: what mobile you got? 21.29.04 # yeah, tree might be better. 21.29.07 Quit amiconn_m (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.29.12 # Samsung X820 21.29.17 # amiconn: so now you're "amicomm"? ;-) 21.29.27 # it was GodEater 21.29.49 # but that widget is also used for selectin binaries which is suboptimal imo. For example to select the tts binary. 21.29.56 # amconn: symbian? 21.30.02 # but I haven't bothered enough to change it ;) 21.30.13 # amiconn: now port the rockbox sim to it :-) 21.30.35 # Urgh 21.30.44 # I would need to port rockbox to java 21.30.48 # (midp 2.0) 21.30.54 # <[Rane]> Oo, enjoy. 21.30.56 # urgs... 21.30.58 # isn't java ... urgh at all? 21.31.09 # But the display resolution would fit nicely (220x176) 21.31.37 # <[Rane]> Java has a few non-urghish qualities here and there. 21.32.07 # Otoh, rockbox would not really make sense on that thing 21.32.23 # i thought the X820 was a smartphone 21.32.26 # maybe not 21.32.36 # 80MB flash 21.32.55 # No it's not. 21.32.57 # <[Rane]> Hey, you could get...10 songs on that. 21.33.01 # * amiconn doesn't want a smartphone 21.33.41 # i love my smartphone, its a sat nav too lol 21.34.50 # does anyone know how to stop the Sansa's OF refreshing the database EVERY time it's loaded? 21.36.44 # Iiuc you need to use a version of the OF for which the rockbox bootloader knows how to set the "no refresh" bit 21.36.45 # * Domonoky_ thinks there was a patch to stop it, but it didnt work with all of versions.. 21.36.48 # senab: Use on of the versions of the OF where refresh disable works. 21.37.00 # ...or figure out how to do that with the version you use 21.37.12 # I think though that having a MicroSD card in *may* cause a refresh no matter what. 21.37.40 # <[Rane]> Hmm. I just skimmed Flyspray and the site quickly and I don't see this - has there been any consideration adding the alphabet scrolling to the iPod version? 21.38.06 # i'm not using a SD card yet, is there a list of firmware's that the bootloader know's this bit? 21.38.14 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 21.38.28 # [Rane]: 1) Why is it a feature only relevant to the iPod version and 2) What do you mean by alphabet scrolling? 21.38.38 Quit MethoS-- (Remote closed the connection) 21.39.13 # senab: I think you'd just need to look in the changelog, unfortuntely. 21.39.38 # <[Rane]> Hah, you know it wouldn't have to be relevant strictly to the iPod at all, good point. On Apple's OS if you scroll very quickly through your list it switches to letters of the alphabet, and if you stop on one and it starts at the first item of that letter. Sped things up on a long list. 21.39.55 # <[Rane]> er, if you stop on one it starts. 21.40.38 # <[Rane]> It also wouldn't snap out of that mode until you took your finger completely off the wheel, allowing for the proper fine tuning so you didn't jump however many files to the next letter by mistake. 21.42.00 # * Domonoky_ thinks this sounds like a nice feature.. but thats not easy and amount of work.. :-) 21.43.38 # bluebrother: would this be ok: http://people.videolan.org/~dionoea/rbutil.1.patch ? 21.43.38 # <[Rane]> I honestly didn't realize how much I relied on it until loading a bunch of music back onto my iPod after installing Rockbox. 21.44.45 # [Rane]: Well, as an alternative you can have your music properly sorted into folder, and your tagnavi have good separation. 21.45.12 # <[Rane]> Perhaps I'll waste some time and get really frustrated and tinker with that feature in the code. :) 21.45.23 # <[Rane]> er, while tinkering, I should say. 21.45.30 # dionoea: your patch misses the changed filter for windows, i think.. 21.45.47 # just check main-pp.c, the bootloader can disable the refresh thing on 11D, 12A & 12D. I'm on 18E lol 21.45.48 # Ah, right. 21.46.22 # If it's ok i'll change all the other browser dialogs 21.46.27 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.46.34 # but i'll wait for confirmation first :) 21.46.34 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B166C6.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.46.43 # but what does bluebrother think..? 21.46.46 # :-) 21.48.11 # It's just that i find it weird to re-code something that is already available in the framework 21.49.34 # i like the "scan through song" feature on the Sansa OF 21.50.04 # that maybe my next project 21.50.30 # <[Rane]> Scrubbing? 21.50.59 Quit Euro4Ever () 21.51.51 # ? 21.52.00 # senab: What is "scan through song" ? 21.52.20 Quit Buschel () 21.52.25 # I'm guessing seeking as it's done on iPods, where you enter seek mode, rotate the wheel to pick a position, then exit seek mode. 21.52.41 # <[Rane]> That was my thought as well. 21.52.58 # yep similar 21.53.15 # it works nicer with the physical wheel though 21.53.18 # <[Rane]> And someone wrote a patch - for iPods - but I would think it could be applied to other models with a little modification. 21.53.53 # dionoea: is it possible to enable alternating Row colors in the Filedialog ? 21.54.00 # it'd work well if you held select, then rotated the wheel 21.55.02 # I don't think that would work on ipods 21.55.03 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.55.04 # Domonoky_: maybe. I'll try without using the getExistingDirectory function which doesn't allow much configuration. 21.55.29 # dionoea: it shows the same issue I wanted to avoid. 21.55.31 # senab: The 1st gen ipod does have a mechanical wheel 21.55.53 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 21.55.55 # hum ... then i must have missunderstood what that issue was 21.56.19 # I'll leave it as it was then :) 21.56.22 # holding select on the ipod's brings up the context menu iirc 21.56.52 # i cant find that iPod patch anyway 21.56.54 # dionoea: see this screenshot: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/error1.png 21.56.55 # senab: Yes, there are no free buttons in the WPS on an ipod... 21.56.59 # * Llorean feels quite strongly that holding select should be the context menu on Sansas too. =/ 21.57.05 # <[Rane]> I'll get it, I was just looking at it. 21.57.20 # llorean: what would the playlist button do? 21.57.25 # <[Rane]> http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5379?histring=ipod&pagenum=1 21.57.44 # senab: It'd be the "Menu" button, so that Power could be Stop similar to how it is on other targets. 21.57.50 # bluebrother: hum ... how did you get that ? 21.57.54 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.dsl.t-2.net) 21.58.04 # llorean: FS#7232? 21.58.12 # Is that the one I opened? 21.58.15 # If so, yes. 21.58.16 # go to /. Then enter /media by double clicking it, the same for "IPODMINI" 21.58.24 # now press "Choose". Bang. 21.58.33 # hum ... that works fine here :( 21.58.46 # well nevermind, i'll leave it as it is 21.58.59 # average (windows) users are quite double-click fixated, so they would expect it to work ... 21.59.03 # senab: "Seek" could be an option, say the last one in the WPS context menu, for easy access on any target. 21.59.18 # what version of Qt do you have? Maybe it's an error that got fixed. I'm using 4.3.0 21.59.31 # bluebrother: debian's Qt 4.3 21.59.35 # (debian sid) 21.59.48 # hmm. Strange. 21.59.49 # 4.3.1 22.00.07 # llorean: i like your button mappings idea 22.00.30 # senab: In my opinion it's pretty much as easy to use, and at the same time makes it "familiar" across targets. 22.00.41 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 22.01.44 # Llorean: i think you're right. i'll have a look over the weekend 22.02.34 # i'd have to come back into the WPS disabling the volume control 22.02.47 Join rotator [0] (n=e@rockbox/developer/rotator) 22.02.53 Join Euro4Ever [0] (n=f@gar31-1-82-66-75-34.fbx.proxad.net) 22.03.06 # dionoea: ok, looks like this is a problem with my Qt version. Just checked against my self-build static binary and it works as expected. 22.03.31 # The tree view still looks better in fact :) 22.03.40 # senab: The way I see it, you choose "Seek" from the menu, it takes you to the wps, you rotate to the desired position, and then hit "Select" again to start playback there, and go back to "Wheel is Volume" mode. 22.04.13 # I wouldn't have bothered creating the list view if I hadn't experienced that bug ;) 22.04.20 # llorean: thats what i was thinking 22.04.21 # senab: On non-wheel players, in that seek mode it can be a much faster, less precise seek since it doesn't actually *seek* until you hit Select, so you aren't running back and forth in the file trying to land at the time you want. 22.04.37 # It could essentially be a double-speed seek or something 22.05.01 # hey guys got one question if u dont mind: when appling a patch, and when it's said this patch depends on patch fsxxx fsxx etc,do we need to apply those others patches ? 22.05.02 # <[Rane]> I like that idea, it's technically how the iPod works...click the button x amount of times to enter seek/scrub mode, move it to where you want it, click and you're done. 22.05.43 # Euro4Ever: Yes, if it says it depends on other patches, you need to install those patches first, usually 22.05.49 # Euro4Ever: well, if it says it depends then there is a depencency. So ... would you expect that the patch it depends on being applied first? 22.06.45 # bluebrother: ok.... just asking to be sure :( 22.06.59 Join einhirn [0] (n=Miranda@p5B0300AA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.07.00 # ;-) 22.07.12 # dependencies can be tricky sometimes 22.07.54 # yes, don't know how you can understand all that stuff ... wanna contribute in this project and the more i learn, the less i get :( 22.08.27 # it's always hard in the beginning -- no worries. 22.08.55 # bluebrother: particularly when you use windows ;) 22.10.17 # fortunately, there're guys like you who are making a nice firmware for us damn newbies lol :) 22.10.49 # dont lol.. donate.. *hehe* :-) 22.11.01 # or learn ;-) 22.11.18 # it's never too late to start 22.11.19 # :) 22.11.42 # it's a bit more difficult when you use a scrreen reader. 22.11.44 # Llorean: Rockbox seek isn't live, on all target. It only jumps to the desired position if you release the button 22.11.55 Quit nicktastic ("Leaving") 22.11.58 # indeed -- so you're a blind user? 22.12.06 # amiconn: Yes, but if you overseek, and need to seek back... 22.12.09 # bluebrotheryes 22.12.20 # And it accelerates if you're holding the button - in selectable intervals 22.13.04 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=chatzill@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 22.13.05 # ddalton is also blind and around quite frequently. Might be interesting for you 22.13.38 # bluebrother: how should translatable strings be inserted in the rbutil code ? Some _("") type macor ? 22.13.38 # bluebrotheryes I know him. nice guy and clever :) 22.13.45 # *macro 22.13.50 # dionoea: it's tr() in Qt 22.13.52 # it would be nice if some blind users would try rbutil, and comment on the usability for them... :-) 22.13.56 # ok, thanks. 22.14.08 # Domonoky_: just thought about that too. 22.14.13 # what file is the context menu code in? 22.14.27 # i've found every menu but... 22.14.47 # * bluebrother considers committing usb detection for linux 22.14.48 # Llorean: Seek could perhaps be made sticky (optionally?) 22.15.00 # brb 22.15.06 Quit Euro4Ever () 22.15.07 # * amiconn virtually never uses seek so can't really commenton seek usability 22.15.11 # <[Rane]> Sticky? 22.15.18 # amiconn: Sticky as in "doesn't actually stick until a button is pressed"? 22.15.35 # Er, doesn't commit, rather. 22.15.36 # bluebrother: detection via pids ? 22.15.37 # <[Rane]> Yah, that's how Apple does it. Works well IMHO 22.15.41 # Domonoky_: yes. 22.15.47 # Sticky as in "Rev/Ffw button starts seek, but release doesn't trigger it" 22.16.09 Join Euro4Ever [0] (n=f@gar31-1-82-66-75-34.fbx.proxad.net) 22.16.10 # amiconn: That could also work with wheel-seeking. Initiate with Rev/FF, release and rotate the wheel instead for that sort of seeking. 22.16.22 # i think you could commit it for linux, we can always add windows code... but keep the other detection routines.. 22.16.22 # I detect the PID if it's unique and use the other methods for detection only to get the mount point if it was successful. 22.16.22 # But yes, sticky seeking as an option would be nice for me in long audiobooks. 22.16.40 # <[Rane]> Llorean: agreed 22.16.50 # Llorean: Why don't you just use bookmarks for audiobooks 22.16.51 # ? 22.16.56 # llorean: "Initiate with Rev/FF, release and rotate the wheel instead for that sort of seeking." i'm not too fond of that idea 22.17.31 # senab: Why not? Easier to get to than a context menu item... 22.17.32 # bluebrother: maybe we should make some code to have a flexible fallback chain of detection functions.. 22.17.34 # amiconn: Sometimes I'll fall asleep to one, or otherwise lose my position. 22.17.49 # senab: For people used to our current method of seeking, you hold FF/RW to seek. 22.17.49 Quit grndslm ("Leaving") 22.18.02 Join grndslm [0] (n=grndslm@24-116-87-97.cpe.cableone.net) 22.18.11 # senab: For people who like the Apple method, turn on the feature. Hold FF until it enters "Seek" mode, then release, rotate the wheel to position desired, and press select. 22.18.12 # If that happens, I'd delete that audio book as it's obviously not very interesting ;) 22.18.36 # just my opinion it could be cool if bookmarks could be more precise (saying filenames or foldernames. it could be great for blind guys or every one 22.19.06 # dunno what is involved technically though 22.19.08 # <[Rane]> Yeah, I mean...sometimes it's not a matter of "why not do X instead," if it's not required (ala feature setting) I think it'd make sense. 22.20.58 # Domonoky_: that was my idea too. 22.21.42 Quit phalax ("Bye... Folding.") 22.22.08 Quit The-Compiler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.22.40 # llorean: doesn't sound too bad actually 22.22.55 # blo1 22.22.56 # someone with an x5v around? 22.23.04 # whoops... 22.23.35 # senab: I think it'd be quicker than going to the context menu every time, as I think people who like the apple seek, or sticky seek, will use it all the time anyway 22.24.07 # Seems like I somehow found some kind of Replaygain Tag type that rockbox can't read... 22.24.17 # makes sense 22.24.28 # einhirn: ones in the lame header? 22.25.22 Quit Frazz ("Leaving") 22.25.43 # <[Rane]> It *is* a context menu on the iPod, but triggered with a quick click of the select button, so your menu option and then trigger method work out to be the same action...I'd use it, most definitely. 22.26.01 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.26.28 # rane: but you'd only set it once, it could even be in playback settings 22.26.29 # hmm - I just looked into one of the files with vim - yes, there is a string "LAME3.92" appearing, then "APETAGEX" then MP3GAIN_MINMAX, MP3GAIN_UNDO, REPLAYGAIN_TRACK_GAIN, REPLAYGAIN_TRACK_PEAK 22.26.57 # * Domonoky_ is happy to see another coder working on rbutil.. he should add himself to the credits of rbutil... :-) 22.26.57 # eihirn: that sounds like it's in the lame header 22.27.22 # a mac coder would be great. 22.27.31 # Domonoky_: it's not like any of the changes i commited really matter 22.27.40 # Could be - I "replaygain'ized" some of my MP3s with "mp3gain" and the others with foobar. 22.27.52 # * Domonoky_ just hopes that your future changes matter .. *hehe* 22.27.53 # einhirn: that's apev2 tag 22.27.53 # <[Rane]> senab: right, that's what I meant...I just couldn't phrase it right. Any way you slice it it's a quick click in playback and you can skim all over the place. 22.27.58 # <[Rane]> :) 22.28.02 # einhirn: That looks like APE tags 22.28.16 # Is auto detection of the archos recorder supposed to work ? (there's no recorder v1 6 GB in the player list btw) 22.28.16 # Rockbox only supports replaygain info in ID3v2 tags 22.28.21 # Ah. 22.28.23 # Hmm... 22.28.42 # amiconn: not if you use the apev2 patch 22.28.49 # einhirn: use Mp3Tag to convert them to ID3v2 22.28.58 # <[Rane]> Hang on, I'm a Mac coder...what was that in reference to? Wellllllll...I code *on* a Mac, not necessarily in the GUI...so I might be irrelevant to the "great." 22.29.11 # Not suporting APE tags in rockbox is on purpose 22.29.33 # APE not compatible to GPL? 22.29.35 # dionoea: isnt that just a archos recoder ? 22.29.47 # well it mentions archos recorder 10 / 20 22.29.51 # doesn't MPC use APE? 22.29.56 # should i change that to 6 / 10 / 20 ? 22.30.07 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 22.30.13 # senab: He means in MP3. 22.30.15 # there's a recorder 15 too, wasn't it? 22.30.18 # amiconn: why? the patch to add support seems pretty simple 22.30.21 # ahhhh, my bad 22.30.26 # + Is that supposed to work if i don't have a rockbox-info.txt file on the player ? 22.30.39 # Bagder: I don't remember 22.30.44 # autodetection works for this device only if you already have rockbox installed with rbutil... not before.. as detection with usb pids isnt in place jet.. 22.30.52 # ah ok 22.30.57 # ender`: It's a philosophical thing. Each audio format has its tagging standard(s) 22.30.59 # What's missing for usb auto detection ? 22.31.05 # mp3 uses ID3 (v1 or v2) 22.31.16 # the archos players have loads of PID clashes :( 22.31.28 # dionoea: windows code to iterate the ids ... 22.31.30 # APE tags are for APE files, not for mp3 files 22.31.31 # Bagder: yes 22.31.34 # APE can be used on most formats though 22.31.35 # dionoea: detection works on linux for the players without clashes. 22.31.41 # ah ok 22.31.52 # there is no good way to figure the mount point from the usb pid though. 22.31.54 # but for the archos there is a way with files on the harddrive.. 22.31.59 # senab: *can* be used - perhaps. Should be used - no 22.32.03 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart 22.32.07 # and I'm having a hard time getting detection to work on windows without using libusb 22.32.27 # see DeviceDetection wiki page. 22.32.50 # amiconn: im not saying it should, but at least there's only one revision on APEv2, unlike ID3v2 22.33.03 Join Atom-X [0] (n=f@gar31-1-82-66-75-34.fbx.proxad.net) 22.33.31 # and apev2 doesn't contain stuff like "bright coloured fish" in docs :) 22.33.35 Quit Atom-X (Client Quit) 22.33.39 # amiconn: so I'll go on and find the programmer who is responsible for putting apev2 tags in my mp3 files and hit him with a cluebyfour? 22.33.43 Quit Euro4Ever (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.33.57 Join Euro4Ever [0] (n=f@gar31-1-82-66-75-34.fbx.proxad.net) 22.33.58 # einhirn: thats a good way.. :-) 22.34.06 # einhirn: iirc old versions of foobar put apev2 tags to mp3 files 22.34.07 # and there's quite a few formats using APEv2 tags now: WavPack, MPC, Optimfrog, TAK 22.34.18 # and the command line mp3gain does too. 22.34.29 # senab: And for the formats where ApeV2 is considered "native" we support it. 22.34.45 # bluebrother: only for the undo tag afaik 22.34.53 # bluebrother: And thats the one getting hit by a cluebyfour ;) 22.35.00 # and with a decent tag editor it's simple to remove the wrong tags 22.35.27 # senab: yes, but it's ape ... 22.35.30 # mp3gain is a somewhat miserable program anyway, isn't it? The default method used to be to alter the MP3 and write undo tags, rather than writing the tags, wasn't it? 22.35.50 # So you had no album/track mode choice, or ability to turn it off.. 22.35.52 # pixelma: Problem occurs on bigger mp3 collections that are only synced by file date ;) 22.36.37 # and? 22.36.48 # llorean: thats a good thing when you're player doesn't support RG 22.37.22 # senab: Yep, but as a default method of operation somewhat contrary to the "replaygain" definition. 22.37.27 # pixelma: So I would need to remove the tags on both copies of the collection... 22.37.33 # And enough people seem to think MP3 gain simply *is* replaygain for that to be problematic. 22.38.36 # pixelma: and then resynchronize both copies again - a rather big hassle, especially when other Player software just works ;) 22.38.43 Quit desowin ("use linux") 22.39.09 # einhirn: You have software on a DAP that supports APEv2 replaygain tags? 22.39.26 # llorean: the trouble is there are very few RG scanners 22.40.03 # My next uni project was going to be implement a linux RG scanner 22.40.29 Quit atsea-57 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.40.34 # implement it multiplatform as a plugin for rbutil.. *hehe* :-) 22.40.37 # * bluebrother committed linux usb pid detection 22.40.38 # Llorean: no, but ender`seems to have a patch ;) 22.40.43 # when we edit a diff or a patch file, do we edit it with a text editor and save or do we save it in a special way so it would be usable by the patch tool ? 22.40.58 # einhirn: what's your replaygain patch doing, anyway? ;) 22.40.59 # Domonoky: thats an idea actually ;) 22.41.01 # Euro4Ever: no. Diffs are just plain text files. 22.41.07 # pixelma: works 22.41.10 # hum ... there are no themes for archos recoder models ? 22.41.10 # k 22.41.19 # you should of course use an editor that doesn't change line endings 22.41.19 # (which means that i can't test the theme installation) 22.41.29 # pixelma: and is submitted as patch #7747 22.41.38 # aha, nice 22.42.10 # (though I don't even have replaygain tagged files, as far as I know) 22.42.16 Quit Euro4Ever () 22.43.05 Join Euro4Ever [0] (n=f@gar31-1-82-66-75-34.fbx.proxad.net) 22.43.30 # pixelma: There still are two open points - amiconns remark about the timing of the gain change on track change and the "NoClip"-Feature that effectively is useless on Archos Recorder. 22.44.02 # I could remove the "noclip" setting completely... but wasn't sure about it. 22.44.37 # wasn't that the one that needed a change in english.lang? 22.45.46 # yes - that was before I coded the logic that applies the gain. And I only found out that "noclip" is useless on a platform that can only attenuate when I programmed that ;) 22.45.49 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 22.45.56 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.46.16 # llorean: thinking about the sticky seek thing, i think the hardest thing would manipulating the progress bar 22.47.01 # senab: Just look at how the normal seek does it. I'm making a wild guess here, but I'm assuming the normal seek does *something* on BUTTON_REL, and instead it just needs to do it on "Select" being pressed. 22.47.48 # but how would the user know where they'd seek too? you'd need to update the progress bar while the wheel scrolls 22.47.58 Join atsea-57 [0] (i=atsea-@gateway/tor/x-3ee282123fdccaf4) 22.48.07 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=chatzill@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 22.48.11 Nick linuxstb__ is now known as linuxstb (n=chatzill@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 22.49.06 # senab: Normal seek already updates the progress bar though, the seek doesn't happen until you release the button, but the progress bar position lets you know where you'll be. 22.50.06 # llorean: ahhhh, i get what you mean. should be easier than i thought then 22.50.41 # I'd implement the "sticky" part first. Just get it working with the normal FF/RW buttons, and select to "commit" the actual seek. Then work on adding fancy controls in. ;) 22.50.45 # But that's just how I'd go about things 22.53.54 # Are the theme screenshots downloaded everytime the selection changes in rbutil ? (like if i select one, change and come back it'll download it again) 22.54.18 # dionoea: yes, unless you enable the cache in the configuration 22.55.03 # couldn't they be cached in a temp directory and deleted when rbutil is closed when "cross session cache" (or whatever it's called) is disabled ? 22.55.27 # they could ... 22.55.40 # Ah, i'll do that then :) 22.55.44 # shouldn't even be too hard to implement. 22.56.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.56.40 # is httpget.cpp the place to edit ? 22.56.48 # s/place/filee/ 22.57.32 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 22.57.33 # ah no ... looks like it's setCacheDir calls that need to be added 22.57.41 # no -- check installthemes.cpp for setCache() 22.58.11 # installthemes.cpp:81 22.58.16 # found it. Thanks. 22.58.26 # you're welcome :) 22.59.03 # * bluebrother goes back to this awful setupapi stuff 22.59.22 Quit amiconn (" :maintenance mode:") 23.00.30 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.02.12 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 23.03.37 Quit [Rane] ("Leaving.") 23.04.02 # bluebrother: is there already a file to store helper functions (like a utils.cpp) ? (else i'll just add one) 23.04.11 # if you haven't heard: SCO has now filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy 23.04.56 # dionoea: no. 23.05.07 Join saratoga [0] (i=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d86eb3935f639526) 23.05.17 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=chatzill@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 23.05.17 # Zagor: ouch 23.05.28 # what does chapter 11 mean? 23.05.44 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapter_11 23.05.53 # * petur stops typing ;) 23.06.06 # thanks 23.07.32 Join MStublefield [0] (n=spiritgo@cent-matthew.MissouriState.edu) 23.08.00 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@198.77.50.47) 23.08.03 Quit Llorean (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.08.22 # Hey all, just a quick question. About to head home from work and I just read a comment about Rockbox on Slashdot. Was curious if it is capable of syncing video to the iPod 5th generation video (30 gb) devices. 23.08.29 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@cpe-70-113-103-34.austin.res.rr.com) 23.08.48 # Rockbox is a firmware, not a syncing application 23.09.08 # Oh... hadn't quite registered that. 23.09.37 # did we make /. again? 23.09.49 # In that case, I modify my question: Does anyone have experience with the firmware handling video, and if it does, what do you recommend for syncing? 23.09.57 # petur: there was some comments posted about us the other day 23.10.03 # Not exactly, but there's a story about Apple releasing a firmware upgrade that locks out 3rd party synchronization apps. 23.10.31 # MStublefield: Rockbox is a replacement firmware. We don't care much about apple's database and syncing stuff. 23.10.47 # so you most likely won't get an answer here ... 23.10.56 # (at least not for apple-specific questions) 23.11.02 # Right, right, but surely if you have an mp3 device for playing audio, you're using something to put that audio on the device... 23.11.22 Join linuxstb___ [0] (n=chatzill@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 23.11.25 # MStublefield: Rockbox doesn't need special software 23.11.26 # with rockbox, you cna put the files on anyway you wish (including drag and drop) 23.11.26 # MStublefeld: yes, but what you use isn't a part of rockbox 23.11.26 # So I was just curious what application people here recommended for that. I've tried Amarok and wasn't thrilled. Same for gtkpod. 23.11.28 # MStublefield: rsync, copy and paste, drag and drop... 23.11.40 # might want to look up what rockbox is 23.11.41 # Scorche: Ah, fantastic. That's what I needed to know :-) 23.11.42 Quit senab ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518]") 23.11.44 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockbox 23.11.47 # Rockbox doesn't require you to use some sync application. A lot use simply windows explorer and similar 23.11.51 # * Llorean has made do with "Explorer", "Nautilus", "cmd.exe" and myriad others 23.11.57 # Cool, cool. Thanks. 23.12.03 # MStublefield: but, this is for rockbox....this isnt going to make things work with the OF 23.12.06 # cp and rsync are also nice tools ;) 23.12.13 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 23.12.15 # Scorche: "OF?" 23.12.20 # original firmware 23.12.21 # Original Firmware 23.12.24 # Yeah yeah, that's fine. 23.12.42 # Rockbox can play videos, but only mpeg2 and it's rather limited to the Ipod video 23.12.53 # as we can't use the video processor that Ipod contains. 23.12.54 # s/to/on 23.13.19 # There's a patch in the tracker, I think, that gets another 0.8 fps out of it fullscreen, I hear. 23.13.23 # Just wanted to make sure it can play video. Drag and drop is perfectly acceptable. I'd read the firmware part, but wanted to see if anyone had experience with it playing video. Some other programs claim they can do something, but don't always deliver. 23.13.54 # you should just use the apple firmware for video 23.13.57 # video playback is somewhat experimental -- it's no priority here. But it works 23.13.58 # And just the fact that Rockbox = firmware hadn't communicated to me that a synchronization program wasn't needed. I actually prefer not to need another program. 23.14.14 # most likely you will dislike it compared to apples. 23.14.20 # * MStublefield shrugs. 23.14.27 # iTunes doesn't run on Linux, so I don't have much of a choice. 23.14.42 # OpenSUSE at work and Ubuntu at home. 23.14.53 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54964F81.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.14.55 Part Redbreva ("User is away.") 23.15.17 # MStublefield: As a point of reference, on the iPod Video you can expect less than 10fps fullscreen video in Rockbox. 23.15.33 # They devices are slow, the screens are big, and we can't use the Broadcom chip that the Apple firmware uses. 23.15.54 # erhm... 23.16.00 # That is a bit of a hit... but I purchased the device for watching telecourses for class, so they're not super-detailed anyways. 23.16.02 # "so popular Linux iPod management tools like gtkpod and Rockbox will not work" 23.16.09 # from the article linked to from slashdot 23.16.10 # hehe, we're really selling rockbox hard :) 23.16.16 # ... 23.16.17 Join linuxstb____ [0] (n=chatzill@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 23.16.17 *** Alert Mode level 1 23.16.17 DBUG Enqueued KICK linuxstb 23.16.17 DBUG Enqueued KICK linuxstb__ 23.16.17 *** Alert Mode level 2 23.16.17 DBUG Enqueued KICK linuxstb___ 23.16.17 DBUG Enqueued KICK linuxstb____ 23.16.17 *** Alert Mode level 3 23.16.17 # http://ipodminusitunes.blogspot.com/2007/09/apple-cuts-us-off.html 23.16.31 # management tool 23.16.36 # Zagor: Hey, if someone buys an iPod Nano, or a Sansa or a Gigabeat, they'll get rather nice video. :) 23.16.45 # For future reference, is there a better mp3/portable-video-device you might recommend when I look to get a new one someday? 23.16.49 # Bagder: well, at least it has already been clarified int he comments 23.17.00 # true 23.17.00 Quit ompaul ("cheers") 23.17.02 # MStublefield: Gigabeat F-series (F10/15/20/40/60) 23.17.15 # http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/BuyersGuide might be interesting 23.17.28 # scorche: I tried to as well as I could :) 23.17.41 # Ah, cool. Thanks bluebrother. 23.17.49 # so *thats* where obo comes from =) 23.17.52 # re my yammering about the way the next,prev,etc-Links appear in the HTML documentation: I have found something promising - only my environment to build the manual doesn't work somehow... 23.17.54 # apple cut off Rockbox with the nano2G quite a while ago ... 23.18.33 # einhirn: if you have a patch around I can try it out 23.18.35 # scorche: yup - it was around the time of the whole real names thing... ;) 23.18.38 # http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/~gurari/TeX4ht/mn7.html#QQ1-7-26 says that "sequential prev-next links within the hierarchy, instead of the default hierarchical ones, can be requested with the \lquote next\rquote parameter." 23.18.47 # einhirn: what system are you running? 23.18.51 # obo: as i dont wish to register, can you ask in there that he edit the blog itself to prevent future confusion? 23.18.56 # bluebrother: Windows/Cygwin 23.19.06 # err - make that 23.19.14 # scorche: sure 23.19.17 # pixelma: Windows/Cywin 23.19.20 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.19.31 Nick linuxstb____ is now known as linuxstb (n=chatzill@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 23.19.31 DBUG Enqueued KICK linuxstb 23.19.31 *** Alert Mode level 4 23.19.33 # http://apple.slashdot.org/apple/07/09/14/1831236.shtml is the /. post btw 23.19.57 # Welp, I'll give this a go when I get home. 23.20.02 # Hopefully it doesn't brick my iPod... 23.20.05 # einhirn: until now, I couldn't get the tex4ht package running for building the html manual :\ pdf version works fine 23.20.06 # bluebrother: I'm pretty sure that the "next"-parameter belongs into the "Makefile.pdflatex" in /manual 23.20.17 # in cygwin that is 23.20.37 # ack http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=298231&cid=20607663 23.20.42 # pixelma: yup 23.21.26 # pixelma: normally I wouldn't care, but now that I said that there was room for improvement I'd like to try it out - anyway... 23.21.55 # Last question. When I throw Rockbox on the iPod, does that wipe it completely and I have to put everything back on there? 23.22.06 # MStublefield: Nope. 23.22.11 # not unless you format the device 23.22.17 # Fantastic. Thanks for answering my questions. 23.22.29 # if you want to add a binary file to svn (like a screenshot), do you need to do anything more than just svn add? It gets detected as binary automatically I think? 23.22.30 # MStublefield: We even have a very handy manual to help you get acquainted and take you through the install and use, etc. 23.22.36 Ctcp Ignored 5 channel CTCP requests in 3 minutes and 14 seconds at the last flood 23.22.36 # * MStublefield nods. 23.22.43 # I'll start reading once I get home. Don't have the cable here. 23.22.49 # Have a good day, and thanks again. 23.23.08 # bluebrother: like change "$(HTLATEX) $(DOCUMENT) "$(HTOPTS1),2" $(HTOPTS2) $(HTOPTS3);" to "$(HTLATEX) $(DOCUMENT) "$(HTOPTS1),2,next" $(HTOPTS2) $(HTOPTS3);" 23.23.31 Part MStublefield 23.23.35 # petur: I had cases where svn didn't detect the file as binary. You need to set svn:mime-type in that case (to octet/stream) 23.23.44 # you would need to install the tex4ht package manually, there is no pre-made one you could install with the setup.exe. The installation instructions for this package include changing some paths, I couldn't figure out what the correct paths would be under cygwin 23.23.44 # bluebrother: at least thats what I would have tried... 23.24.25 Join qweru [0] (n=kvirc@bb-87-80-66-156.ukonline.co.uk) 23.24.38 Quit linuxstb__ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.24.42 # petur: if it is a screenshot I'd rather take image/png (provided it is a png) 23.25.01 # as svn:mime-type 23.25.09 Join nsfx [0] (n=psi@pool-71-187-202-245.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) 23.25.18 # you can use almost everything that is different to plain/text and it will be treated as binary. 23.25.25 # * petur tries 23.26.19 # bluebrother: shouldn't line 58 in httpget.cpp be m_usecache = result; ? (ie use cache if the dir exists or if it was created succesfuly) 23.26.36 # ender`: where do I find the apev2-patch that you mentioned? 23.26.46 # in the bugtracker 23.26.51 # which player do you have? 23.27.03 # is there a shortcut to force close rockbox? it's stuck on the "shuffling " dialog 23.27.15 # whent appling a patch and its dependencies , do we need to apply them one by one or is there a faster methode? i'm using cygwin 23.28.22 # dionoea: from a quick look it looks like, but I'm wondering why it worked ... 23.28.35 Quit linuxstb___ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.28.38 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 23.28.40 # it works if you add a call to setCache(true) right afterwards 23.29.32 *** Alert Mode OFF 23.29.37 # did I call that? IIRC I didn't 23.30.04 # yeah, you didn't. 23.30.12 # (At least not in installthemes.cpp) 23.30.17 # but I had caching working ... /me is puzzled. 23.30.35 # ender`: I have an archos recorder v1 23.31.22 Quit freqmod (Remote closed the connection) 23.33.21 # dionoea: hmm -- seems I did something really overcompilcated there. Not inverting result breaks the caching. 23.33.42 # inverting it doesn't enable it though 23.34.00 # have you enabled the cache in the configuration dialog? It's disabled as default 23.34.27 # ender`: looks like the patch isn't for me then? 23.34.29 # no, i just want to have a cache for the theme info stuff which will be deleted when the theme dialog is closed 23.34.51 # well, you just need to set a valid path for caching. 23.35.00 # yep, + setCache(true) 23.35.02 # else it doesn't work 23.35.10 # hm, i don't know why it wouldn't work for you. anyway, if you had an iriver, i could compile patched rockbox for you 23.35.26 # hmm. And why is the cache working even if I never called setCache(true)?= 23.35.36 # * bluebrother did something really strange there 23.35.39 # I honestly don't have a clue :) 23.36.10 # well, from what I intended it should work if you set setCache to some valid path. 23.36.22 # without the explicit need to setCache(true) 23.36.28 # ender`: I have a build environment ;) And I at a first glance at the code it seems like that patch works on things that aren't used on the Archos platform... 23.37.53 # * petur is getting fed up with his svn problems :/ 23.38.10 Join akaias [0] (n=akaias@c-67-175-173-88.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 23.39.36 # bluebrother: it logs "[HTTP] cache DISABLED" if i only call igetter.setCache("some path"); 23.41.13 Quit Weiss (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.43.11 # cache works for me... without an extra call to setCache(true).. 23.44.44 Join Weiss [0] (n=taw27@pip.srcf.societies.cam.ac.uk) 23.45.24 # and it seems to work because it fails to create the rbutil-cache dir.. :-) and just uses the dir above.. 23.45.50 # it looks ok here, but not for the first request. 23.45.55 # then mkdir returns false, and as the result is negated, chaing is enablend :-) 23.45.57 # ah, that's why it was poluting my /tmp 23.46.02 # I'll fix that 23.46.35 # also me sloppily leaving out some braces was a bad idea in setCache 23.49.39 # when the patch tool asks "file to patch and the file to patch is one dir up, please what the exact syntaxe? 23.50.23 # patches should usually get created so you can apply them with "patch -p0 < filename.patch" from the source root 23.50.44 # how do you toggle the debug output for rbutilqt ? 23.50.59 # (looks like i disabled it somehow and i can't find how to enable it again) 23.51.00 # run qmake with the option -config dbg 23.51.23 # thanks 23.51.46 Join sarixe [0] (n=sarixe@pool-68-239-217-158.nwrk.east.verizon.net) 23.52.04 # * bluebrother fixes the wrong info in the wiki 23.52.23 Quit nurn ("synic") 23.54.07 # if a hunk is rejected, does it mean the patch won't work ? 23.54.21 Join linuxstb____ [0] (n=chatzill@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 23.54.22 # yes. 23.54.42 # damn ! patching is not for me 23.54.51 # you need to manually re-sync the patch by checking the differences. 23.55.32 Quit miepchen^schlaf ("Verlassend") 23.56.56 # bluebrother: the "next" commandline option to htlatex does something, but not what I wanted it to do ;) 23.57.24 # arff... too hard.... I give up :( 23.57.42 # einhirn: too bad 23.58.09 Quit jhulst (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.58.42 # einhirn: did you get tex4ht running in cygwin or did you find it out another way?