--- Log for 21.09.107 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 1 day and 1 hour ago 00.01.31 Join ddalton [0] (n=daniel@203-214-50-20.dyn.iinet.net.au) 00.01.57 # so.. can i (try to) help you guys? 00.02.21 Quit ender` (" Today's BOFH excuse: broadcast packets on wrong frequency") 00.02.23 # bughunter2: Only by cracking the encryption... 00.02.37 # And making me a sandwich. 00.02.37 # that costs way too much time for me man, can't afford it 00.02.43 # will do that isolinear 00.02.52 # ;) 00.02.58 # *sends a sandwich over firewire* 00.03.11 # bughunter2: yet you expect someone else too spend their spare time doing it who doesn't even own one? 00.03.16 # ;) 00.03.21 # you're the devs :P 00.03.22 # Speaking of which, do the new ipods support firewire? 00.03.23 # hehe nah 00.03.30 # think so, not sure 00.03.54 # btw i don't even know if i have enough reversing skills to crack that encryption ;) 00.04.36 # linuxstb, from what i read on wikipedia: "USB (FireWire for charging only)" 00.04.51 # people are only devs to do what they want to do, it isn't a service or company or whatever 00.05.08 # BigBambi i know, and i wasn't expecting anything 00.07.28 Join elinenbe [0] (n=elinenbe@cpe-68-174-107-47.nyc.res.rr.com) 00.11.57 # btw linuxstb, do you think other companies like Cowon/iRiver also going to try to pull out more tricks to prevent users from installing rockbox? 00.12.44 # afaik, they already do 00.12.59 # aww 00.14.05 # well thanks to you anyways 00.14.12 # gtg ;) bye 00.14.59 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.15.26 # tomal strikes back! 00.16.11 Part bughunter2 00.17.41 # Soooo... 00.18.09 # It's been a while since I've been in here... How's the iPod 5G battery life doing these days? :) 00.18.57 # Isolinear: You may notice there's no mention in the news or MajorChanges of the problem with it being fixed. 00.19.25 # I did notice that. I assumed that meant that there hasn't been any progress... 00.19.45 # It means the problem has not been fixed. 00.19.54 # Bagder: where? 00.21.32 Quit ddalton ("leaving") 00.21.58 # n1s: recent commit? 00.22.40 # * n1s should probably get glasses, thanks petur :-) 00.23.09 Join iamben [0] (n=ben@dpc67142179038.direcpc.com) 00.24.25 Part Redbreva ("User is away.") 00.24.53 # eh. to anyone with server access 00.25.03 # 2 of the 3 download.rockbox.org servers appear to be broken, at least for ipod_fw.exe 00.25.27 # --00:21:54-- http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ARCHIVE/ipod_fw.exe 00.25.27 # Resolving download.rockbox.org... 64.72.118.218, 80.87.134.17, 88.191.250.9 00.25.35 # only the first IP does not return 404 00.26.39 # We should probably just delete ipod_fw.exe now 00.28.58 Quit billytwowilly (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.30.41 # DataGhost: ipod_fw.exe is just a copy of IPL's make_fw.exe - and IIRC, it doesn't work correctly with the 5.5gs 00.30.58 # (it's been replaced by ipodpatcher) 00.30.59 # oh wait yes 00.31.11 # I was confused with ipodpatcher in the iPL channel. I don't really know why that's still being used anyway. 00.31.24 # I guess it's hosted at iPL somewhere. I'll look into it then. 00.31.33 Join billytwowilly [0] (n=chris@CABLE-72-53-22-61.cia.com) 00.31.40 # anyway, this might not be the only non-synchronized file in your mirrors, you might want to check that 00.32.08 # Bagder would be the person to check (if he's still awake...) 00.32.08 # it's especially annoying for windows users, windows caches dns requests and the chance of getting a 'bad' mirror is 2/3 (for ipod_fw.exe anyway) 00.32.56 # I think the IPL wiki still links to ipod_fw.exe - so presumably there's no official binary for make_fw.exe anywhere. 00.37.09 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 00.39.13 Join funky_ [0] (n=repulse@81.202.252.240.dyn.user.ono.com) 00.39.46 Quit chrisjs169|brb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.40.30 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 00.40.47 Join chrisjs169|brb [0] (n=jack@pool-71-114-128-205.hrbgpa.dsl-w.verizon.net) 00.42.38 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 00.42.48 # hmmm... 00.43.35 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 00.44.47 Quit mirak (Remote closed the connection) 00.47.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.48.14 Join blargit [0] (n=chris@CABLE-72-53-22-61.cia.com) 00.48.19 Join Neonestic [0] (n=sean@76-10-143-249.dsl.teksavvy.com) 00.48.27 Quit billytwowilly (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.48.31 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.48.38 Join elinenbe [0] (n=elinenbe@cpe-68-174-107-47.nyc.res.rr.com) 00.48.40 # Hello 00.48.50 # <|Marco|> peek a boo :) 00.49.20 # Can anyone solve my problem? Amarok doesn't detect my iPod. 00.49.57 # <|Marco|> hum, I think I remember reading something about the new series iPod's 00.50.11 # <|Marco|> that they were locked off totaly 00.50.24 # Is there a way to like, force add songs? 00.50.30 # |Marco| while your nick with the |s maybe cute, cuddly, and (if I dare say it, downright sexy) it makes tab-completion a real pain in the keister 00.51.00 # <|Marco|> hrm.. 00.51.05 Nick |Marco| is now known as marcosource (i=marco@cakebox.net) 00.51.19 # hmpf 00.51.21 # ;) 00.51.30 # Neonestic, I'm going to assume you have a Rockboxed iPod? If so may I inquire about the details of your situation? 00.51.39 # Ok 00.51.50 # Marking an app as requireAdministrator for Vista causes a new window to pop up when running it 00.52.05 # This is not avoidable... 00.52.08 # * preglow kicks vista in the teeth 00.52.09 # Doesn't a rockboxed ipod just interface through amarok like a Generic Audio Device 00.52.31 # You mean it runs in a new console window? 00.52.35 # Its a 5G 30GB video, im running a linux pc (kubuntu) and Amarok is my wusic player and also was wy ipod updater 00.53.04 # linuxstb: Yes, and that new window closes immediately when ipodpatcher exits 00.53.07 # But now, after getting rockbox' amarok doesn't detect it but my pc does. 00.53.07 # It can, Thundercloud, if you tell Amorak you are using a UMS device, or you can build the iTunes database if you wish to make your songs available in both firmwares. 00.53.19 # There's the answer then 00.53.44 # Very unhelpful if you want to see the output 00.53.47 # amiconn: That should be OK when the bootloaders are embedded though - ipodpatcher prompts the user to press ENTER before it exits. 00.54.08 # Or maybe you could enable that prompt for all windows builds. 00.54.25 Join grndslm [0] (n=grndslm@24-116-87-97.cpe.cableone.net) 00.54.27 # Ah 00.54.50 # The recommendation is to always mark commandline programs 'asInvoker', and then check within the executable whether administrative rights are available 00.55.31 # ...and print info about admin rights being required when they're not available 00.56.02 # Excellent, works. Thank you. 00.56.04 # Running it from an elevated command prompt should stop uac requests even without a manifest in the .exe 00.56.14 # http://blogs.msdn.com/vistacompatteam/archive/2006/10/05/Command-line-application-with-manifest-asInvoker.aspx 00.56.32 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 00.57.17 Part Neonestic ("Bye") 00.58.33 # Bah, and the function to check whether admin rights are available is different between win2000 and winxp/vista 01.00.36 Part n1s 01.01.01 Quit bluebrother (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01.05.26 Quit lee-qid_ ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 01.12.17 # hmm 01.16.07 # Hey, anyone from England? 01.17.00 # did we get the E200R working with OF? 01.17.02 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-253.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 01.17.32 # I have a beans-on-toast question... 01.17.58 # Does the toast get buttered before applying the beans or should it be dry? 01.18.12 Join oranges2 [0] (i=UrzaBot@c-67-168-12-252.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 01.18.41 # Isolinear: this is an ontopic channel 01.18.53 # Yeah. 01.18.59 # And nobody was talking at the moment. 01.19.05 # The Canadian dollar is now worth as much as the US dollar :{ 01.19.25 # do the guidelines mention that you can be offtopic when no one is talking? 01.21.16 # *sigh* 01.21.16 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.21.43 # oh, scorche.. 01.21.48 # yes? 01.21.54 # nothing :) 01.22.26 # oh, whoops, I have to do homework. 01.22.32 # So if I took the dead hd out of my Archos Jukebox Studio 20... 01.22.39 # And removed the platter... 01.22.49 # Could I then use the metal casing to heat up the beans? 01.23.14 # absolutely. 01.23.19 # Isolinear: did you miss what i said? 01.23.24 # and then you could server it all on the platter. 01.23.29 # *serve. 01.24.00 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c58-109-97-210.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au) 01.24.11 # you know, on the ipod classic, i don't buy that the apple firmware is on a hidden partition on the drive 01.24.48 # on the nano 3g, what is that big chip next to the cpu with the non-apple logo? 01.24.51 Join ondicy [0] (i=5892d641@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-79ecf5e0433969a4) 01.25.42 Join homielowe [0] (n=chatzill@d207-81-67-190.bchsia.telus.net) 01.25.58 Join linuxstb [0] (i=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 01.28.25 Quit tmske (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.28.41 # hello,can anybody help me? actually i am not sure if you see my words:) 01.28.51 # what's up? 01.29.04 # Nimdae: Probably the 32MB of RAM. 01.29.32 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 01.29.44 # well, what's interesting is one of the numbers has 256 at the end, HYE18M256, and there is apparently another chip out there with HYE18M512 on it 01.30.23 # Nimdae: Where else would the 90MB firmware image go if it wasn't onto the hard disk? 01.30.30 # i have troubles with installation rockbox on sansa e250r 01.30.45 # 256 probably mean 256Mbit (32MB) and 512 will be 64MB. 01.30.48 # i dunno, i'm just speculating 01.30.54 # ah, i see 01.31.25 # ondicy: what troubles are you having? 01.31.30 # ondicy: That's not surprising... What step are you having problems with? 01.33.24 # i followed all instructions in wiki, but final step went wrong, during booting it writes that sansa cannot find 2 files - rockbox.mi4 and rockbox.e200 01.34.07 # Sounds like you didn't install Rockbox itself correctly - i.e. the rockbox.zip file 01.34.48 # no, i did it, i have folder .rockbox on sansa drive 01.34.52 # nor the mi4 that the instructions tell you to get 01.35.32 # ondicy: Do you have a rockbox.mi4 file inside that .rockbox folder? 01.35.53 Quit funky_ ("leaving") 01.36.47 Quit Llorean (Remote closed the connection) 01.37.10 # that is problem, i dont see sansa device 01.38.19 # * linuxstb leaves this to someone who owns a sansa and goes to bed 01.38.23 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC") 01.38.56 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 01.39.02 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@cpe-70-113-103-34.austin.res.rr.com) 01.39.06 # with plugged usb cabel there are another error message during booting, but too quick to read them... 01.43.39 Quit qwm (Remote closed the connection) 01.43.39 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.43.45 Quit spiorf ("Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)") 01.43.50 Join qwm [0] (n=qwm@h38n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 01.44.01 Join elinenbe [0] (n=elinenbe@cpe-68-174-107-47.nyc.res.rr.com) 01.48.04 Quit RaRe` ("Quit msgs should be longer.") 01.50.19 Quit hardeep ("leaving") 01.51.54 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host62-205-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 01.52.42 # ondicy: Sounds like you need to enter recovery mode and restore the original Sansa firmware - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick 01.52.52 # * linuxstb_ really goes to sleep 01.53.04 Quit Entames__ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.54.42 Quit ondicy ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.54.45 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 01.56.13 Quit homielowe ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.7/2007091417]") 01.56.27 Join homielowe [0] (n=chatzill@d207-81-67-190.bchsia.telus.net) 01.58.41 Join elinenbe_ [0] (n=elinenbe@cpe-68-174-107-47.nyc.res.rr.com) 01.58.50 Quit annulus_ (SendQ exceeded) 01.59.27 Quit petur ("Zzzz") 02.04.16 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 02.08.38 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.08.41 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 02.10.57 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007073113]") 02.14.19 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.14.20 Nick elinenbe_ is now known as elinenbe (n=elinenbe@cpe-68-174-107-47.nyc.res.rr.com) 02.16.10 Part pixelma 02.18.46 Join RudMan [0] (n=RudMan@ool-182fb504.dyn.optonline.net) 02.26.51 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.27.52 Join ryanpg [0] (n=ryanpg@c-24-12-10-73.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 02.28.06 # hi all... trying to unbrick a nano on linux 02.28.27 # have restored the mbr and tried writing the firmware 02.29.22 # but ipodpatcher seems not to be satisfied... also booting the nano just produces a screen with www.apple.com/support/ipod 02.30.11 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 02.30.21 Join Lars_G [0] (n=Lars@ippool.ifxnetworks.com.ve) 02.30.28 # what podcast manager do you guys use? 02.30.37 Join psycho_maniac [0] (n=psycho_m@ppp115.hk.centurytel.net) 02.30.38 # ryanpg, following the instructions on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore ? 02.31.13 # krazykit, yep a couple times 02.31.43 # so you've successfully dd'd the MBR to the device, then unplugged and replugged? 02.31.55 # yep 02.32.10 # before dd'ing the firmware? 02.32.16 # yep 02.33.08 # and you formatted the 2nd partition as fat32? 02.33.39 # just making sure, you know. 02.34.08 # the partition table seems to be fine: 02.34.09 # Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System 02.34.09 # /dev/sdb1 * 1 10 80293+ 0 Empty 02.34.09 DBUG Enqueued KICK ryanpg 02.34.09 # /dev/sdb2 1 248 1992028+ b W95 FAT32 02.34.43 # that looks right, as far as i can tell 02.35.12 # the nano appears to have two different firmware revisions 02.35.18 # have your tried both? 02.35.30 # yep 02.35.44 # both fail with [ERR] Partition layout is not an ipod 02.36.04 # no access to windows or a mac, huh :-/ 02.36.15 # nope 02.36.22 # probably tomorrow 02.36.42 # so I'll just give up for now... though I think I've truly bricked this thing :) 02.36.46 # strange that it's not working though. that's probably your best bet, unfortunately 02.36.58 # thanks for the help anyway :) 02.36.59 # nah, it's not bricked til you've caught it on fire or something :P 02.39.31 # heh 02.39.54 # I think this output from ipodpatcher is the key to the mystery 02.39.56 # [INFO] 0 63 160649 78.4 Empty (0x00) 02.39.56 # [INFO] 1 160656 3984119 1866.9 W95 FAT32 (0x0b) 02.40.27 Quit Lars_G ("bang") 02.40.30 # the last hex should be (0x55) and (0xaa) respectively 02.40.49 # this is a guess from reading ipodpatcher source 02.40.57 # No, they should be 0x00 and 0x0b. 02.41.01 # oh 02.41.05 # http://pastebin.ca/278705 02.41.12 # 0x00 is for "Empty" and 0x0b is for "W95 FAT32" 02.41.15 # file type 0 and b 02.41.19 # got it 02.41.49 # the source says one of the errors I'm getting is from checking to see if the boot sector is initialized 02.42.48 Join webguest54 [0] (i=4a4c8d5c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5da45e6d01a3735a) 02.45.56 Quit SirFunk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.46.10 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 02.46.16 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 02.46.19 Join sarixe [0] (n=sarixe@ool-435403e9.dyn.optonline.net) 02.48.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.51.18 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 02.51.24 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 02.51.42 # hrm... ok there's an issue... sdb1 (set to Empty) is being mounted as vfat 02.51.48 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.53.16 # i have a small issue finally... rockbox will not update the database after adding a few songs 02.53.33 # You have to restart after hitting "Update Now" 02.53.43 # yea 02.54.18 Quit Isolinear (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.56.45 Join webguest19 [0] (i=4b05639a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-fa9edca807f27337) 02.57.19 Part toffe82 02.57.48 # wtf 02.59.01 # well thanks again all 02.59.07 # we'll see what tomorrow brings 02.59.11 Quit ryanpg (Remote closed the connection) 03.00.27 Part hcs 03.03.16 # would anyone have a rpoblem with adding a new onplay option under "playlist" to dirplay a folder to stop confusion about the auto-folder change funciton? 03.04.20 # could you explain more JdGordon. 03.06.21 # right now i have rockbox on my e280r that will not update the database after adding a few songs 03.11.04 Join psycho_maniac_ [0] (n=psycho_m@ppp115.hk.centurytel.net) 03.11.05 Quit psycho_maniac (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.11.09 Nick psycho_maniac_ is now known as psycho_maniac (n=psycho_m@ppp115.hk.centurytel.net) 03.12.18 Join RoC_MasterMind [0] (n=Free@c-66-177-39-225.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 03.13.30 # i got it fixed... it was something with the database.tmp or something like that name 03.13.36 Join astrosmok [0] (i=astrosmo@ACBE5882.ipt.aol.com) 03.13.47 # hello all 03.14.44 Part astrosmok 03.15.13 Quit webguest19 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 03.15.51 Quit eigma () 03.18.16 Join eigma [0] (n=cat@CABLE-206-188-76-21.cia.com) 03.19.58 Quit psycho_maniac ("Good Bye") 03.27.09 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@bas3-montreal28-1242529967.dsl.bell.ca) 03.28.49 # it is still not keeping the database 03.30.14 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 03.33.19 Join RaRe [0] (n=Laffin_B@202-89-187-101.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) 03.33.46 Quit teksimian ("Leaving") 03.35.08 Join SkinInd95 [0] (n=chatzill@71-217-149-243.hlna.qwest.net) 03.36.26 Quit webguest54 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 03.36.37 Join BigBambi_ [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 03.44.26 Quit homielowe (Connection timed out) 03.45.49 Join homielowe [0] (n=chatzill@d207-81-67-190.bchsia.telus.net) 03.45.58 Join sdoyon [0] (n=steph@modemcable193.152-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) 03.46.12 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 03.49.16 Join RaRe` [0] (n=Laffin_B@202-89-187-101.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) 03.51.57 Quit BigBambi (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.52.18 Join Travis|Mowing [0] (n=sivart0@uw-70-182-237-75.unitedwireless.com) 03.52.26 Nick Travis|Mowing is now known as Sivart0 (n=sivart0@uw-70-182-237-75.unitedwireless.com) 03.53.11 # hello everybody 03.55.10 Quit RaRe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.55.53 Join perrikwp [0] (i=98215ac0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-96acb50b5b331ff7) 04.02.46 Join joe2 [0] (n=YouCeyE@cpe-70-113-9-74.austin.res.rr.com) 04.02.52 Quit YouCeyE (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.02.58 Quit perrikwp ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 04.03.48 Quit Sivart0 () 04.13.49 Join sunalsorises [0] (n=Blowme@ip24-250-101-247.dc.dc.cox.net) 04.15.34 # quick question, I downloaded a patch for my sansa and I'm not sure where to put it so it will work. 04.17.08 # rockbox.org/wiki/SimpleGuideToCompiling 04.18.46 # sun: do you have a development environment setup and the source downloaded? 04.19.37 # RudMan: since he is asking where to put the patch, i doubt it.. 04.20.18 # i have no idea what that is 04.20.21 # but i have the source code 04.20.31 # sunalsorises: please see the link i gave you 04.20.40 # yeah i'm looking at it now, thanks 04.20.48 # but it's all new to me 04.21.24 # did you know that aac files will not let you update the database right 04.22.40 # if that's directed at me I didn't know that but I don't have any aac files 04.22.59 # this is on a sansa e280r 04.23.03 # advcomp2019: AAC files should work fine as long as their tags are compatible. 04.24.35 # Llorean, what type of aacs will it allow 04.25.00 # As long as Rockbox can read the tags properly, they should be fine. So if the tags show up in the WPS. 04.25.52 # as long as they aren't copy protected, right? 04.25.58 # these are m4a aac files if that makes a difference 04.25.59 Join gunluva [0] (i=467c11a3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c0b248094bbbd08b) 04.26.09 # Hello, all. 04.26.30 # How do I install rockbox on the C200? 04.27.25 # gunluva: it isnt officially supported yet 04.27.47 # This morning, Badger and others told me it was. 04.28.12 # Well, they said it worked, anyways. 04.28.27 # "officially supported" wasn't used. 04.28.58 # I think the guy who is working on it got it working but the code has not yet been committed 04.29.01 # They gave me a bootloader, but It keeps telling me rockbox.mi4 wasn't detected. 04.29.24 # yes...it works, but it isnt officially supported AFAIK...there is no install process in the wiki, no manual, front page doesnt say it is officially supported yet either 04.29.41 # Thats probably why he's asking 04.29.58 # HOld on, I've got an idea. 04.30.02 # Brb. 04.30.57 # I got it running! 04.31.04 # That was easier than I thought. 04.32.51 Join tictoc [0] (i=tabac@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xB9002659) 04.33.11 # eh-.-. hell of a way to find out it cant play mp4 04.33.46 # i really have no idea what i'm doing, is anyone willing to help walk me through this? 04.34.24 # sunalsorises: if you have issues, feel free to ask about them...but we are not going to hold your hand when it says what to do exactly in that page 04.35.18 Quit tictoc (Client Quit) 04.35.34 # i still cant get the database to stay with m4a aac 04.37.39 # sun: I wanted to compile the source also. I followed the instructions on the wiki to the letter and it works just fine 04.37.48 # i delete the m4a then the database stays 04.38.42 # Ooh. It would seem I have a promblem. 04.38.57 # My comp says USB device not recognized. 04.39.21 # rockbox does not have USB support. 04.39.33 # Uh oh. 04.39.49 # Wait, so how do I get music on it? 04.40.02 # boot to the original firmware and hook up the USB to it 04.40.21 # Oh. 04.41.47 Quit sdoyon ("ircII EPIC4-2.4 -- Are we there yet?") 04.41.47 # *cough*Sorry. How? 04.42.10 # hold left while pressing the power button 04.42.16 # the manual is a good thing to read. while booting hold left button 04.42.23 # or connect usb while the player is off 04.42.53 # Terribly sorry. Thanks for the help. 04.43.10 Quit BigBambi_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 04.43.49 # The c200 rockbox can't play movies yet, right? 04.44.03 # oh my, rockboxdev.sh doesn't build gdb for the target? 04.44.10 # RudMan: there is no manual for the c200 yet 04.44.27 # ahhhhhh 04.44.36 # sorry about that...... 04.44.44 # he's truly on the bleeding edge 04.45.58 # Last question, then I'll stop bugging y'all :P. How does one make a theme? 04.46.29 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS 04.46.38 # please search the wiki before asking questions.. 04.48.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.48.47 # Kthx. Cya. 04.48.50 Quit gunluva ("CGI:IRC") 04.49.16 # i can manually play the m4a files, but when trying to make the database, the database will not build right 04.49.31 # stop repeating yourself... 04.49.51 Join tictoc [0] (i=tabac@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xB9002659) 04.51.39 Join Chronon [0] (i=vircuser@d23-104.uoregon.edu) 04.52.02 # i got folders of mp4 files that wont play on my sansa 04.52.05 # whats up with that 04.52.22 # why should they play? 04.52.58 # why shouldnt they? 04.53.04 # the website says aac plays 04.53.07 # because rockbox doesnt support them? 04.53.16 # Uh. AAC is an audio stream 04.53.19 # m4a will, but not mp4 04.53.30 # hum? 04.53.50 # are you referring to an audio file or a video file? 04.53.56 # nero mp4 isnt supported ? 04.53.58 # audio 04.54.15 # oh. sorry, I was confused. 04.54.18 # scorche: mp4 is a container format, like ogg. m4a is just a renamed AAC mp4 04.54.30 # It should play that fine if it only contains an AAC stream 04.54.40 # They also must be streamable 04.54.46 # Llorean: oh, i know...i was just making assumptions as usual....hence my last question 04.54.50 # renaming the extensions will fix the problem ? 04.54.51 # I believe Nero one's aren't necessarily so. 04.55.10 # tictoc: Rockbox plays streamable AAC. Are you sure your files are? 04.55.22 # my files are vbr 04.55.31 # so i guess theyre not streamable 04.56.02 # vbr isn't related. 04.56.10 # theres a separate option to make them streamable 04.56.16 # when one is encoding 04.59.50 # Hmm.. I didn't use any special switches when using neroaacenc and the resulting files played fine. 05.02.13 Quit RoC_MasterMind ("Leaving") 05.04.13 # i must have bad luck 05.06.34 Join gunluva [0] (i=467c11a3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-987b64e7cdb16ff9) 05.07.06 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c58-109-97-210.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au) 05.08.04 # Sorry for the bother, but is there another mirror for downloading rockdoom.zip? 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It is a pity that my H300 has an rtc alarm by default that doesn't utilize it. 05.39.00 # I let my regular batteries sit around for a week and it seems I've lost a third or more of the power. 05.39.27 # What brand, scorche? 05.40.00 # i was going to buy some online, but i discovered they are starting to ceep into consumer stores 05.41.35 # hybrid in what sense? 05.41.49 # Have you seen them with hi mAh yet? 05.42.14 # They come charged and stay charged longer when not in use 05.42.17 # depends what you mean by high...i have 2100s, but they make up for it in the long run 05.42.23 # ls 05.42.29 # Argh, wrong window, sorry 05.42.31 # true. 05.42.56 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel_metal_hydride_battery#Low_Self_Discharge_Batteries 05.43.36 # Cool. I found a couple of battery sites but the latest updates were 2005. 05.44.17 # scorche, did you upgrade your V1 to 120 gigs? 05.44.24 Join Pyromancer [0] (i=DeepInTh@c-24-63-23-50.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 05.44.25 # 160 05.45.19 # Cool. 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06.53.32 # fixing pp5020 lockup problems 06.55.00 # it didn't quite lose entirely unfortunately but is much more resistant. the swp instruction combine with the cache and memory controller setup seem to be the extent of the problem. 06.55.51 Quit perrikwp ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 06.56.37 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 06.56.38 Join atsea-45 [0] (i=atsea-@gateway/tor/x-65ea98f503fc0cd5) 06.56.41 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp266-112.adsl.forthnet.gr) 06.58.45 Join psycho_maniac [0] (n=psycho_m@ppp555.hk.centurytel.net) 07.00.01 Quit RudMan (Remote closed the connection) 07.00.25 Quit My_Sic (Client Quit) 07.00.32 Join MikhailTkach [0] (n=mike@pool-162-84-181-56.ny5030.east.verizon.net) 07.03.45 Quit scorche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.04.07 Join scorche [0] (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 07.07.50 # anyone here familiar with set_interrupt_status's inline assembly? 07.08.06 # (firmware/target/arm/system-arm.h) 07.09.16 Quit jhulst (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.10.08 # eigma: indeed 07.10.23 # jhMikeS: what does the "," modifier do to in register lists? 07.10.30 # s/do to/do/ 07.10.49 Join perrikwp [0] (i=98215ac0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3ef6949538866772) 07.11.00 # alternate constraints so "r,i" = use a register or an immediate value 07.11.50 Quit psycho_maniac ("Good Bye") 07.12.44 # jhMikeS: the reason I'm looking at this code is that set_interrupt_status doesn't compile without -O: system-arm.h:125: error: impossible constraint in 'asm' 07.13.17 # my best guess is that this is because, without -O, all variables are on the stack, and the constraints for a register 07.13.22 # s/for/force/ *sigh* 07.14.25 # eigma: I can't imagine why it would force variables onto the stack. that would make the code very slow. 07.14.50 # I *want* variables on the stack, so that gdb doesn't say "tx_buf=" 07.15.00 # I think the problem is the "i" 07.15.01 Quit XavierGr ("One firmware to rule them all!") 07.15.25 # that makes sense 07.15.26 # if you're testing, just use "r,r" and that shouldn't hurt. 07.15.35 # or make it a macro 07.15.41 # can BIC take 3 register operands/ 07.16.08 Join Isolinear [0] (n=A@c-76-105-254-119.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 07.16.22 # yes, that's why it it's made to be compiled as bic rx, ry, rz or bic rx, rx, #n 07.17.08 # using the immediate value saves an extra instruction on almost every use of that 07.17.11 # "error: inconsistent operand constraints in an 'asm'" 07.17.16 # yep 07.17.56 # gcc gets on my nerves for being so retarded :\ 07.18.06 # I *really* don't tihnk BIC reg, reg, reg exists 07.18.22 Join ddalton [0] (n=daniel@203-214-50-20.dyn.iinet.net.au) 07.18.27 # did you just try to convert to a macro? 07.18.42 # AGH, why doesn't the ARM7 TRM allow copy pasting :( 07.18.52 # no, I just tried replacing "i,i" by "i,r" for the mask 07.19.35 # make all the "i" to be "r" 07.20.09 Quit perrikwp ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 07.20.17 # eigma: try this one too: http://www.pastebin.ca/705506 07.20.37 # remove the comment line though :) 07.20.44 # heh 07.21.21 # I've been looking for a way to replace BIC with two instructions... I cannot for the life of me find an instruction that does bitwise AND between two registers.. any help? 07.23.00 # d'oh 07.23.07 # I forgot shifter_operand != immediate 07.23.36 # s/i,i/r,r/ works fine 07.24.01 # heh, code is almost twice as big without -O 07.24.30 # and about 10x as slow :( 07.26.32 # jhMikeS: thanks for your help! 07.26.37 # np 07.31.24 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 07.37.32 Quit oranges2 () 07.39.06 Join kkurbjun [0] (n=kkurbjun@c-67-166-49-171.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 07.44.55 # :), Congratulations scorche, you won the flip fair and square 07.45.22 # I liked that video that bagder put together too :) 07.45.32 # hehe....same 07.45.36 # and thanks =) 07.47.57 # eigma, do you have a hex editor you can compare those values to? 07.48.16 # where should I look? 07.48.31 # it should be at the header of the rockbox.mrboot 07.48.39 # ok 07.48.42 # the begining should be the vector table 07.49.56 # I need to get a JTAG interface hooked up on my M:Robe too so I can do some of this debugging... 07.50.18 # gdb definitely beats "oh, crash. d'oh. connect usb, wait, copy, wait, ..." 07.50.44 # :) 07.54.48 # can I ask for another memory dump at address 0x60F08? 07.57.18 # * petur kicks austriancoder around for not entering his location for GSoC, now we're not connected in google earth... 07.58.00 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@ip-89-103-17-41.karneval.cz) 07.58.52 # kkurbjun: how many bytes? 07.59.18 # any wiki admins: can I get write access on my wiki account, CatalinPatulea? 07.59.20 # 4 bytes 07.59.38 # kkurbjun: 0 07.59.59 # hmm 08.00.38 # eigma: sure 08.00.48 # petur: thanks 08.01.12 # done 08.01.16 # PeterDHoye has been editing the topic for 50 seconds and the lease is still active for another 59 minutes 10 seconds. 08.01.17 # bah 08.01.30 # hahaha slow today huh? 08.01.34 # a bit =/ 08.01.54 # the lock is gone, btw :p 08.02.51 # dont make me add him again! 08.09.33 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF58B7.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.09.48 # mo0ning 08.09.54 # hi 08.12.40 # * amiconn wonders whether he should commit the addition of the manifest to ipodpatcher.exe now (which works wrt the uac request, but causes a new cmd window to pop up on vista), or instead hold it back and try to implement the recommended method for commandline tools to check for admin rights 08.13.03 # that is one long /me 08.13.03 # This method still needs a manifest, so the work of adding it isn't useless 08.13.09 # you must be a very thoughtful person 08.13.13 # ;) 08.16.12 Join daurni [0] (i=9087fecf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-adc581b812bed5df) 08.16.34 # hey all 08.16.59 # hey 08.17.00 # who has web admin rights? 08.17.15 # * petur picks up his bike and rides to work 08.17.21 Quit petur ("home->work") 08.17.33 # the swedes 08.17.36 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 08.17.52 # speak of one of the devils :p 08.17.58 # scorche: could you allow #rockbox-community on the cgi irc web client? 08.18.18 # no..only the swedes, but i dont think we should... 08.18.19 # * amiconn will just do it. Doesn't hurt other windows versions than vista either 08.18.49 # kkurbjun, JdGordon: who wrote system-target.h:96 (#define inw(p) (*((unsigned short*)(p + PHY_IO_BASE))) 08.19.04 # I did that, you can add the volitile in there 08.19.11 # any particular reason it was taken out? 08.19.24 # you're right that it should be in there.. no, not really any reason 08.19.28 # ok 08.19.40 # I think it's the reason for JdGordon's inifite loop problms 08.19.53 # RX status register read only once, then "0x00903e3c : bne 0x903e3c " 08.20.02 Quit daurni (Client Quit) 08.20.51 # ttyl guys, ill be back tomorow night 08.20.56 # cya 08.20.57 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 08.22.39 Join callahje [0] (n=chatzill@144.135.254.207) 08.28.15 # eigma, kkurbjun: Is there a reason why the m:robe 500 port uses this inw/ouw style instead of individual register definitions like the other ports do (mostly)? 08.28.28 Quit kubiix ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 08.28.40 # legacy from Linux - what is the alternative? 08.28.51 # Imho using register definitions is more readable 08.29.31 # The ipod port also has some leftovers in the inl/outl style - these need to be replaced gradually 08.29.34 # where are these defined? 08.29.34 Join hoobop [0] (n=user@unaffiliated/hoobop) 08.30.08 Quit callahje ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.7/2007091417]") 08.30.16 Quit jhMikeS ("Meow!") 08.30.31 # can you show me a sample ARM target that does this? 08.30.54 # There are header files for each cpu. Look at firmware/export/mcf5249.h, pp5020.h etc. 08.31.00 # ah, export! 08.31.05 # that's the one directory where I didn't look, heh 08.31.12 Join Ren [0] (i=458e0587@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-07721454151b9684) 08.31.21 # Hi folks 08.31.36 # amiconn: #define CPU_MESSAGE (*(volatile unsigned long *)(0x60001000)) ? 08.31.58 # It's basically #define FOO_REG (*(volatile unsigned long *)(address_of_foo)) 08.32.03 # hehe 08.32.14 # New RockBox user may I ask questions in here? 08.32.15 # Then you write to the register with FOO_REG = value; 08.32.17 # np on my side, what do you think kkurbjun? 08.32.26 # ...and read from it using result = FOO_REG; 08.32.32 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul) 08.32.32 # I don't have any problem with it 08.32.37 # cool 08.32.45 # i think it's low-priority though 08.32.46 # Ren: did you read the guidelines in the topic ># 08.32.55 # No I will now 08.33.08 # yeah, I don't particularly want to go through that whole header right now.. 08.33.27 # hmm, maybe I can write a really clever sed script 08.34.18 # we can go halfway there by making #define inw(p) p and #define outw(v,p) p=v 08.34.45 # Just doing it gradually as you're working on individual driver code would be enough 08.35.18 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B17B4A.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.35.19 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 08.35.23 # that's reasonable 08.35.26 # There is one problem associated with this method - if you don't know how to call a register because you're not sure what it actually does 08.35.50 # REG_00060F08? 08.36.04 # This e.g. applies to some PP init sequences borrowed from ipl 08.36.09 # looks reasonable 08.36.40 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=fake@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 08.38.00 # Received Sansa E280 this evening - charged up and immediately load RockBox. RockBox seems to work well. Tried to dual boot and test appears on screen, fades away after a few seconds and that is where the Sansa stays. Not sure how to proceed 08.38.19 # Text not test 08.39.11 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 08.40.21 # Ren: Not sure how we're fixed for sansa experts this time of day. You can either wait about another hour, and hope the eu crowd come online, or try posting in the forums 08.40.33 # <-- not a sansa owner sadly 08.41.04 # Thanks - I need to go to bed so I will try later - have a good evening 08.42.31 Join bluebrother [0] (i=omkvqCCl@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 08.44.09 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 08.46.04 Join austriancoder [0] (n=austrian@rockbox/developer/austriancoder) 08.46.14 # morning austriancoder ;) 08.46.50 # petur: morning 08.46.59 # fyi, MSC writing seems to work, after running the test suite my H10 no longer boots... 08.47.19 # (the test suite did warn it would do random writes) 08.47.30 Quit ddalton ("leaving") 08.47.35 Join ddalton [0] (n=daniel@203-214-50-20.dyn.iinet.net.au) 08.47.43 # I have a dir full of about 15 patches. Can I apply a whole dir or do I need to add each patch? 08.47.46 # separatly 08.48.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.48.57 # * ddalton Goes and reads the wiki 08.49.24 # MSC writing can not work... or do you have access to my computer ;) 08.49.55 # oh... then what happened... 08.50.43 # after the MSC test it hangs when trying to load rockbox 08.51.01 # I'll restore rockbox and try again (tonight) 08.52.39 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.52.45 # fine... i hope I find time to commit some more stuff... in 5 days i have my bachelor exam and I need to learn 08.53.21 # if not, put up some patches and I'll see what I can do 08.54.20 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.dsl.t-2.net) 08.56.23 Quit kkurbjun ("Leaving.") 09.01.06 Join B4gder [0] (n=daniel@static-213-115-255-230.sme.bredbandsbolaget.se) 09.02.17 # B4gder! 09.02.22 # Rex was great =) 09.02.26 # hahah 09.02.38 # he's a great help when it comes to coin flipping 09.02.57 # "Authin!" 09.03.20 # oh well... 09.04.16 # hmmm didn't have time to look at the video :( any link again please (PM if not public) 09.04.40 # its public enough... 09.04.43 # B4gder: JdGordon passed on your wish to have new ports in the trunk, did you want me to merge the gigabeat s branch back in? 09.04.52 # http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/flip-a-coin.3gp 09.05.17 # * petur looks for a suitable player 09.05.33 # aliask: that's just my (and a few other devs') opinions - no consensus on this really, but yes I would like that 09.06.15 # petur: mplayer :) 09.06.15 # petur: yeah, its an evil format - especially the sound it seems 09.06.28 # not debian's "default" mplayer 09.06.35 # petur: Just clicking on it worked for me (I have quicktime installed and it will play the video fine, including audio) 09.06.46 # B4gder: Well, let me know when a consensus is reached. 09.07.41 # B4gder: 3gp is just a low-end incarnation of mp4 09.07.54 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjorn@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 09.07.57 # with a weird audio codec, yes 09.08.01 # weird == non-free 09.08.54 # is there any synonym for "unsigned int" in rockbox? like u_int or something 09.09.28 # alternatively, what should I include in a target/*.c to get size_t? 09.10.53 # amiconn / Zagor / LinusN / linuxstb_: what's your position on the work on new ports. in a branch or rather in trunk? 09.12.04 # I was the one who created the gigabeat-s branch, but I think trunk is better. 09.12.33 # I think trunk will get more eyes on it 09.12.39 # which is goodness 09.12.49 # * amiconn agrees 09.12.49 # eigma: #include 09.13.50 Quit blargit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 09.14.01 # trunk gets my vote 09.14.02 # also non-port developers can often help with stuff anyway. that just won't happen in a branch. 09.14.21 # I think the gigabeat s people will have quite some trouble merging their stuff now 09.14.35 Join billytwowilly [0] (n=chris@CABLE-72-53-22-61.cia.com) 09.14.39 # We've done some reverse merging to make it easier 09.14.48 # trunk -> branch stuff 09.15.12 # When I took a look once (a month ago or so), there were already some considerable differences between trunk and gigabeat s branch 09.15.47 # anyway, i think we then can say most of us prefer trunk 09.16.19 # aliask: what is your opinion? 09.16.30 # I would also like to have it in the trunk 09.16.33 # (I don't mean to imply that we are "most", but at least we represent a fair amount of history and experience) 09.16.40 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.16.52 # is anyone against it? 09.17.08 # i've not seen anyone object 09.18.03 # I don't see much point in using branches in rockbox development 09.18.36 # Especially with target tree, non-working code of an early port will be limited to that port. 09.18.37 # well, for very experimental code I can see a use 09.19.08 # what plays these 3gp files well? :/ 09.19.27 # Real media player :) 09.19.36 # Maybe if we want to do real "stable" releases, one branch per release would make sense, where only bufixes get ported to. But I don't see that happen... 09.19.48 # * petur tried a windows MPLAYER build but that just crashes on file load 09.19.49 # I'll take a not and not provide any 3gp in the future 09.20.02 # :) 09.20.09 # petur: If you're on windows just use quicktime 09.20.16 # it was just handy to use my phone 09.20.17 # quicktime :/// 09.20.21 # vlc hates the audio format 09.20.23 # "samr" or somethingh 09.20.23 # and I couldn't transcode 09.22.00 # the video is quite confusing without sound. a coin, a kid and a lot of blur :) 09.23.38 # yeah, quicktime couldn't handle the sound either 09.23.56 # quicktime handles it all just fine for me 09.24.03 # B4gder: yeah, i guess it's hard to transcode when nothing can even decode :P 09.24.28 # converted file: http://w11.media-convert.com/getfile.php?lg=nl&xid=jvoprilr 09.24.38 Join linuxstb [0] (i=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 09.24.47 # Bagder: I agree with trunk as well. 09.25.48 # B4gder: funny video ;) 09.26.36 # B4gder: I now have a completely uncompressed .avi of the video. What would be a suitable encoding? 09.26.57 # mpegplayer-compatible of course.... 09.27.21 # amiconn: see link I just gave, there's an AVI... 09.28.15 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 09.28.24 # Hmm, that doesn't tell what compression was used afaict 09.29.12 # Off to work - I'll merge the branch when I get back if nobody objects 09.29.22 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007073113]") 09.30.00 Quit davina (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.30.34 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 09.30.38 # I assume no Sansa owning dev has problems loading the OF with the current bootloader? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7806 (and forum thread) 09.31.31 Join Crackerizer [0] (i=ca0c616f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5ab3df99126fd0ad) 09.34.19 # linuxstb: I can start it. It seems to hang for a bit beforehand though. 09.34.34 # same 09.34.37 # does anyone know what adapate means? :) 09.35.00 # It means someone needs another cup of coffee 09.35.07 # GodEater: -e 09.35.27 # I saw that, but svn still doesn't allow to edit commit msgs like cvs did 09.35.46 # shout at Zagor :) 09.36.18 # are edited messages revision controlled? ;) 09.36.24 # rofl 09.37.24 # petur: thanks for the conversion, I've put the avi next to the dreaded 3gp now 09.39.21 # could somebody update me about ipod 3g status, please. can it play mp3 in realtime?? i look at rockbox site and see it is officially supported.. :) 09.39.32 # it can 09.39.42 # you should try it 09.39.57 # 404 on the avi in the same spot 09.40.07 # i get it fine 09.40.12 # really 09.40.14 # B4gder: I just tried mplayer, ffplay and vlc. They all play your 3gp just fine 09.40.26 # markun: if you have the special builds, yes 09.40.36 # not debian default ones 09.40.37 # thank you B4gder, there is not much information about 3g on the forum 09.40.52 # i'll give it a try tonight. 09.41.16 # right, subtly different filename 09.41.20 # preglow: sorry, slightly different file name 09.41.50 # symlink added 09.42.05 # * scorche just got to it from /rockbox/ 09.42.26 # B4gder: anyway, i've read the latest post about 3g and they said i need to patch the source to get it work, dont i? 09.42.30 # B4gder: Did you see the messages from DataGhost (about 00.24 this morning in the logs) about some files missing from the download mirrors? 09.42.32 # it really is a video worth fighting for to watch :-P 09.42.33 # * petur blames the online conversion site 09.42.43 # special builds? just ones done from a newer svn? 09.42.44 # linuxstb: me check 09.42.53 # Crackerizer: not to my knowledge 09.43.06 # Crackerizer: What "latest post" are you reading? 09.43.07 # anyone know what audio codec is used in the 3gp file, btw? 09.43.15 # amr_nb 09.43.35 # a speech codec, i take it 09.43.39 # yes 09.43.56 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@ip-89-103-17-41.karneval.cz) 09.44.05 # i wonder how well it does against speex 09.44.18 # linuxstb: i searched for '3g' on the forum and it's the top post found.. 09.44.19 # right, acelp, probably favourably, then 09.44.36 # Crackerizer: the forums aren't the best place for info on the status of anything 09.44.47 # Crackerizer: they're where people report problems mostly 09.44.52 # preglow: http://svn.mplayerhq.hu/soc/amr/ 09.44.53 # linuxstb: I've removed the ARCHIVE dir... 09.45.18 # so its not supposed to be there, even if one of the servers still has it 09.45.54 # B4gder: Fine with me 09.46.13 # GodEater: thank you, GodEater. I think i should do some search before asking :) 09.46.36 # Crackerizer: That mp3 patch has been in the official builds for a while. 09.49.47 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 09.49.53 # linuxstb: could you tell me where to find an information about arm used by ipod? i took a microcontroller class for the last semester, maybe i could use my knowledge to help this project 09.50.23 # it isnt a publicly documented chip 09.50.36 # makes things a bit harder ;) 09.50.48 # scorche: aren't you supposed to be in bed ? :) 09.50.54 # oh, hush =P 09.51.13 # Although it contains dual arm7tdmi cores, and that's well-documented. 09.51.13 # Crackerizer: http://ipodlinux.org/PP5002 09.51.31 # if you're talking 3rd gen ipod still 09.52.05 # Crackerizer: you can do a whole lot of things in this project without knowing the inner workings of the soc 09.52.56 # B4gder: for example? 09.53.22 # jhMikeS: I've just read your pp5020 comments in the logs - you have a pp5020 target now? 09.53.25 # here's 177 examples => http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=2 09.53.39 # 90%+ is top-level code 09.53.45 # high-level, I mean 09.53.59 # B4gder: ah, i see 09.54.03 # possibly a few of those 177 needs lowlevel knowledge of course 09.54.42 # Crackerizer: but mainly you can jump and and do whatever you think is fun and is needed to make rockbox better 09.54.46 # jump in 09.55.22 # interestingly, I've heard that some people even listen to music with it! 09.55.29 # Crackerizer: you are hereby officially welcomed! :-) 09.56.27 # Zagor: Thank you, i think i should start looking at rockbox internal structure. 09.57.49 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC") 09.57.54 # documenting "the big picture" is another task that would be useful 09.58.12 # basically helping future people in your own position 09.59.10 # yes, it's good if people like me who want to help see the big picture... 10.01.07 # linuxstb: yes 10.01.29 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host62-205-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 10.08.42 # what worries me is the defective behavior seems to be specifically regarding swp(b). perhaps only when the cache is enabled since no problems seemed to crop up with it disabled and all dual-core test plugins ran. 10.13.17 # since it's not technically needed given that it supposedly has hardware semaphores, maybe it's just not implemented properly and then it was revised later. (just guessing). 10.13.36 Quit Crackerizer ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 10.16.43 Join obo [0] (n=obo@rockbox/developer/obo) 10.27.34 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.28.46 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 10.30.30 # jhMikeS: You say swp(b) isn't working as it should on PP5020? 10.30.35 # Even not in iram? 10.31.48 # amiconn: it seems that it doesn't when caching is enabled but does when the cache is off...iram or not. 10.32.55 # Very odd, since iram isn't (supposed to be) cached 10.33.07 # Sounds like a bug in the bus controller 10.33.51 # I had no lock up when 1) disabling cache 2) removing swp(b) entirely (but of course no dual core tests there). 10.35.57 # it doesn't require any activity on both cores to do show those behaviors. clearing MMAP0_x to zero also alters things and lets play start after the disk spindown. 10.40.43 # oh, I should mention also that disabling interrupts around swp(b) instructions let things run more stably 10.42.38 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 10.45.21 Join webguest38 [0] (i=c2497907@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d264f28f03c2c3c3) 10.45.42 Quit webguest38 (Client Quit) 10.48.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.49.08 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54964FCF.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.49.27 Quit gromit` (Remote closed the connection) 10.49.45 # jhMikeS: So only MMAP0 is affected? We have a few more MMAP registers to choose from... 10.49.47 Join gromit` [0] (i=gromit@ras75-5-82-234-244-69.fbx.proxad.net) 10.50.41 Quit gromit` (Remote closed the connection) 10.50.57 # jhMikeS: you checked if retailos does any swp use? 10.50.59 Join gromit` [0] (i=gromit@ras75-5-82-234-244-69.fbx.proxad.net) 10.51.32 # 1) I set the 0x10000000 to 0x00000000 memap on MMAP1 from MMAP3. no change. 2) clear MMAP0 3) set the MMAP on both core and not just CPU. still whacky but less so. 10.51.50 # s/MMAP3/MMAP2 10.52.08 # preglow: it does none. it's pretty much the same as e200 10.52.17 # grmm 10.52.25 # we should find out about these hardware semaphores... 10.52.30 # even the mmap set is the same 10.52.57 # I'll bet they're limited to the point it won't make a good general purpose solution. 10.53.10 # then how come retailos makes do without swp? 10.53.47 # because it's limited and inflexible I think 10.54.59 # it's probably not as general as what you want, no 10.55.12 # If I read correctly in the patent docs, it's basically a bitmask or a few of them. 10.56.01 Join AlexC [0] (n=AlexC@dragnet2034196219.dragnet.com.au) 10.57.14 Join james_malone [0] (n=James@58.175.83.231) 10.58.13 # I've not spied anything in retailos where there appear to be sync code. Perhaps I'll stumble upon it. I doubt it's obvious but there is some interesting init in the sansa OF. 10.58.59 Join fm2 [0] (i=c27f0814@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-113cdd46556a9e22) 10.59.05 # If I have a pointer p_const to a const struct (static or global), and that struct has an integer field (say, i), how can I increment it? I tried to convert the pointer to a non-const one. This does get compiled then by (on the sim) I get seg fault. Is it because (static) const data are in a segment that doesn't allow writes? 10.59.15 # there's also memory mapped at 0x37000000 on e200...anyone know what that is. 10.59.40 # fm2: why is it const? 10.59.49 Join obiter [0] (n=damo@123-243-98-212.tpgi.com.au) 11.00.30 # Zagor: it is declared like that. const struct my_struct.....; const struct * p = &...; 11.00.51 # yes, but is there a good reason for that? you obviously want to change it. 11.01.11 # jhMikeS: you have any idea how hard it would be to bolt on software based fade in/out? 11.01.14 # fm2: or is that not your code? 11.01.59 # preglow: ummm....mod and use the crossfade code? 11.02.25 # right, crossfade already has fading, that's right 11.02.44 # Zagor: it's RB code but it was not written by me. There are good reasons to make the struct const, I understand them. Hmm... I think, I'll place a pointer to the struct. It will be const. And will update the value it points to. 11.02.51 # Zagor: maybe he wants a constant point to a struct? struct p_const * const p;?? 11.03.14 # jhMikeS: no, I know the diference :-) 11.03.23 # ok :) 11.03.44 # I just wondered why I got seg fault. Did I understand it right (see above)? 11.03.57 # because of page protection 11.04.02 # fm2: yes you are right. const data can be put in protected space. 11.04.14 # can I ask which struct it is? 11.04.26 # jhMikeS, Zagor: ok then. I'll go with pointers. 11.04.43 # If the data is constant, you aren't supposed to change it, neither on target nor sim 11.04.57 # Zagor: yes. Ask! :-) (it's menu struct generated by a macro) 11.05.04 # On target this also won't work if rockbox is running from flash 11.05.18 # struct foo; const struct foo *p; shouldn't seg fault since foo isn't constant. 11.05.43 # No, but the compiler will issue a warning 11.05.57 # amiconn: ok, ok, fooling the compiler isn't a good thing anyway 11.06.08 # * jhMikeS will issue a hammer to gcc. 11.06.14 # woohoo! my first commit :) 11.06.42 # jhMikeS: the struct itself is declared as const, not only in the pointer 11.06.53 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.07.16 # fm2: You would have to make the struct non-constant. But doing that for the menus ingeneral would be a bad idea 11.07.56 # fm2: yes. I was just saying. 11.07.58 # amiconn: I'll place a const pointer into the struct. The value pointed to won't be a const though. 11.08.04 Join Toki [0] (n=hsdbvlkb@gateimb.imb.lebedev.ru) 11.08.35 # fm2: just skip const and be happier 11.08.51 Join Xerion_ [0] (i=xerion@cp198589-d.landg1.lb.home.nl) 11.08.58 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.09.05 # good night everyone 11.09.13 # nighty 11.09.17 Nick Xerion_ is now known as Xerion (i=xerion@cp198589-d.landg1.lb.home.nl) 11.09.40 # excuse me for the noob question... when I select gain level during line-in recording on my iaudio x5, should I avoid choosing anything above 0db? or it is safe to do? 11.09.54 # Zagor: the "const" part is generated by the macro, I can't (and do not want to) change that. 11.10.19 Quit eigma () 11.11.26 # * jhMikeS notices eigma is "eigma" in the commit. 11.11.44 # observant you are 11.11.54 # yeah, I'm fixing 11.12.54 # fixed 11.14.01 Join Dark_Apostrophe [0] (n=darkapos@supporter/monthlybyte/DarkApostrophe) 11.14.27 Quit homielowe ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.7/2007091417]") 11.14.35 # Hello. I bought a Toshiba Gigabeat F-20 with Rockbox installed from eBay 11.14.38 # I just recieved it. 11.14.53 # congratulations 11.14.54 # lucky you 11.14.56 # When I turn it on, I see the Rockbox splash screen 11.15.07 # But it doesn't go past that it seems 11.15.14 Part fm2 ("...off hacking") 11.16.14 # It's stuck at the splash screen 11.16.19 # Can anyone give me a hand? 11.16.59 # try booting with usb connected, and install a new version 11.17.20 # afaik you will get usb mode even if rockbox doesn't run? 11.17.22 # I can't seem to be able to turn it off, eiher 11.17.36 # either* 11.17.59 # * jhMikeS wonders about including a dither option for mpegplayer on e200 and meg-fx since those targets can do it reasonable but it can cause a few frame jumps where there would be any so it enables a quality/speed tradeoff. 11.18.16 # guys, who's got a gigabeat? what's the reset sequence? 11.18.28 # Zagor: use the battery switch 11.18.45 # or do you mean to clear the settings? 11.18.48 # jhMikeS: mpegplayer hasn't had much asm or optimization yet, no? 11.18.55 # markun: I mean to help Dark_Apostrophe 11.18.58 # preglow: I did it already 11.19.27 # Dark_Apostrophe: turn if off with the battery switch 11.19.39 # do you have an older bootloader? 11.19.51 # so that goes in too but at 30fps full screen meg-fx still drops a few with dither on but less than the old yuv code 11.20.12 # Dark_Apostrophe: for the old ones you need to hold MENU while booting to enter USB mode, the new one just detects a USB cable 11.20.12 # markun: Done 11.20.20 # ok 11.20.54 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b9a55.ucd.ie) 11.20.54 # preglow: so I've got a weird butterfly idct that uses no multiply instructs at all :) 11.21.04 # *instructions 11.21.06 # Ok, I seem o have what looks like a command line up now 11.21.11 # jhMikeS: sounds unlikely... 11.21.18 # already did it 11.21.21 # but if it works, heh 11.21.29 # same output 11.21.42 # just the shift+add stuff 11.21.51 # Dark_Apostrophe: try to reinstall the bootloader and the latest rockbox.zip http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort 11.21.58 # k 11.22.20 # jhMikeS: gigabeat chokes at 30fps??? 11.22.54 Quit AlexC (Success) 11.22.55 # preglow: that's near its limit but does fine with the current svn non-dithered yuv 11.23.57 # there'd likely be no point in a option on the S however - just do that by default. 11.24.19 # Dark_Apostrophe: maybe you want to try Rockbox Utility for installation? ;-) 11.24.20 # markun: I haven't had the new USB device popup 11.24.27 # And dmesg doesn't show anything 11.24.31 # strange 11.24.47 # Did you have to hold MENU? 11.24.54 # Yes 11.24.59 # It says it's in rescue mode 11.25.16 # jhMikeS: well, it'll suck more battery 11.25.21 # ok, maybe pull out and reinsert the cable again? 11.25.33 # FRAME 31FD6800 TTB 31FFC000 11.25.41 # disk_mount_all: 1 11.25.57 # Model TOSHIBA MK2006GAL 11.26.04 # Firmware BY301A 11.26.20 # yes, looks fine 11.26.29 # Partition 0: 0x0C 19069MB 11.26.45 # Loading Rockbox.... Rockbox loaded. 11.26.59 # Okay, then how do I make it work? 11.28.16 # I thought you said you got to the rescue mode.. 11.28.24 # I have 11.28.28 # What do I do next? 11.28.42 # if it's loading rockbox it's passed the bootloader already 11.29.00 # Okay... So how do I make it boot past the splash screen? 11.29.17 # go to rescue mode, then reinstall bootloader and rockbox 11.29.42 # No USB device was detected by the computer :/ 11.29.45 # Nothing in dmesg, even 11.30.04 # So I push the A button? 11.30.05 # did you insert the USB cable before or after enter rescue mode? 11.30.16 # before 11.30.24 # try it after 11.30.27 # ok 11.30.52 # Nothing 11.30.58 # preglow: yeah, but I'm testing pretty maxed-out for quality. 11.33.14 # Dark_Apostrophe: then I only know one more way of fixing it: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort#Gigabeat_Recovery_Procedures 11.33.16 # markun: Should I try with the cradle? 11.33.32 # jhMikeS: some people might easily prefer playing time to quality, so such remain an option 11.33.39 # I'm not sure if we support the cradle in rescue mode 11.33.39 # anyway, options should be the same across builds, if you ask me 11.33.44 # it should have worked 11.34.03 # Dark_Apostrophe: do you have a different computer to try? 11.34.03 # I think a heavy video target like that should have some output options. The appearance improvement is just too great and is no problem for film rates at all. 11.34.18 # I have a laptop but it's runnin Debian too 11.35.13 # preglow: perhaps, but such a thing really needs asm implementation and in a most obfuscated way at that to work. x5 already gets 18-bit by default. 11.35.53 # indeed it does 11.36.06 # markun: It says VOL+ button to restore original kernel, A button to load original firmware 11.36.10 # Maybe I should try one of those? 11.36.17 # why don't compilers beat me at asm yet :/ 11.36.29 Quit kubiix (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.36.31 # Dark_Apostrophe: looks like a very old bootloader. Where did you download it? 11.36.32 Join kubiixaka [0] (n=Miranda@ip-89-103-17-41.karneval.cz) 11.36.38 # markun: I didn' 11.36.53 # markun: I bought it off eBay 11.37.00 # markun: It came with Rockbox preinstalled 11.37.02 # Ah, ok 11.37.29 # When I boot it without rescue mode, it just shows the Rockbox splash screen and goes no further 11.37.36 # it would really not be useable on slower targets that already barely make acceptable rates. e200 can handle it well since it has the memmapped video ram. 11.38.15 # framebuffer-in-ram is probably more accurate to say 11.38.53 # markun: is rockbox loaded from flash or disk on those? 11.39.12 # disk 11.39.24 # usually it means that rockbox.gigabeat is corrupt 11.39.26 Quit james_malone ("I was using BOFHNet IRC version 1.2 by fmillion - get your copy today from http://www.the-bofh.com/bofhnet/irc !") 11.39.43 # preglow: so we should deny more capable targets their use just to keep it uniform? I really don't want to implement it on every single device myself. 11.39.48 Part obiter 11.40.43 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=fake@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 11.41.11 # Dark_Apostrophe: if you select "load original firmware", does it do that? if so, can you connect to usb from there? 11.41.51 # I just ried 11.41.54 # File not found 11.41.56 # tried* 11.42.00 # ok 11.42.46 # preglow: on a related note: what if there really is some intractable hardware bug in PP5020? I guess don't let any targets at all utilize the COP fully in a general way? 11.42.53 # Dark_Apostrophe: when did you last connect another usb mass-storage device to this computer? 11.43.23 # Well, I just tried it on a second computer 11.43.25 # jhMikeS: all i'm stressing is that we want a uniform interface, we don't want people surprised by lack of settings and features as they move from one unit to another 11.43.30 # Didn't work there either 11.43.39 # ok, so that's ruled out then 11.44.21 # Zagor: I told him to follow the recovery procedure, which involves opening the player 11.44.27 # jhMikeS: do we want to utilize the cop in a general way anyway? i thought we were looking at a pretty fixed scenario of audio and dsp running on one core, everything else on the other 11.44.31 # and 'hot swapping' the hdd.. 11.45.32 Quit barrywardell () 11.45.47 # "This is not as hard as it seems" :-) 11.46.01 # preglow: not _that_ general but in a way the programmer of something can define freely. I guess that isn't really user visible though. 11.46.09 # indeed not 11.46.10 # Dark_Apostrophe: yeah, seems that is what you need to do. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort#Gigabeat_Recovery_Procedures 11.46.14 # that's a code clarity issue, if you ask me 11.46.54 # it's would be easy to keep pp5020 as it is now and have full capability on pp5022+. Just a #define change really. 11.47.14 # what is "as it is now" 11.47.17 # svn status or your tree? 11.47.58 # basically as in SVN where kernel object are not core safe. 11.48.32 # would that prevent us from stuffing audio decoding on a core? 11.49.27 # with pp5020 acting as it is and not being fixable, that would be impossible anway for it since it's nothing to do with the kernel objects 11.49.53 # I think it's too early to say it's not but the way it acts has me wondering 11.50.04 # again i'm wishing for docs 11.50.07 # bloody portalplayer 11.50.10 # i will destroy them! 11.51.39 # jhMikeS: The dithering will be very possible on small colour screen targets like H10 (small, perhaps even big), and C200 11.52.40 # I think the asm code could easily adapt to output to a port instead of a framebuffer. 11.53.08 # yup 11.53.15 # But what about x5 and H300. Any graylib stuff is out since it does that already. 11.53.38 # Those targets first need better performance in the mpeg video decoder 11.54.06 # coldfire suffers much since it doesn't have a data cache 11.54.10 # It having a "Display Options" item in the menu on some targets and not others really so confusing? 11.54.16 # *Is 11.54.48 # not so much confusing as just undesirable 11.55.10 # if someone wants to buy a new rockbox dap, it'd be very great to not have to think about what rockbox does and doesn't support on the various targets 11.55.33 # hmmm....I guess we should only support MP3 playback then 11.55.38 # forever 11.55.39 # I think the dither option wouldn't hurt either. 11.56.06 # jhMikeS: hwcodec doesn't really exist in my world, heh 11.56.23 # Atm mpegplayer isn't really usable on coldfire, unless you select a video considerably smaller than the screen 11.57.10 # Which targets can actually play real video besides gigabeat and e200? 11.57.13 # jhMikeS: anyway, we're still in development, it's not the end of the world, but i would for sure put "consistent feature set across targets" as a goal for a release 11.57.19 # jhMikeS: Nano 11.58.15 # preglow: well, I guess if someone wants to, they can implement it and add the item in. 11.59.46 # does dithering make the output look much better? 11.59.58 # GodEater: what's the screen res? the driver isn't even optimized much. 12.00.08 # 176x132, i believe 12.00.29 # preglow: when you have gradients like that stuf in ed, hugely 12.00.41 # i expect it'll help remove banding a great deal 12.00.42 # jhMikeS: H10 12.00.48 # preglow: I agree to some extent, but some things are just not going to be physically possible on all targets - such as APE playback at the higher compression levels. So we're always going to get some targets with more capabilities than others. 12.00.56 # preglow: banding goes away 12.01.08 # jhMikeS: sounds sweet, why don't hardware dvd players dither? :/ 12.01.52 # amiconn: hadn't tried it yet on that. 12.01.54 # linuxstb: yeah, i guess it'll inevitably become a bigger problem too, with the 500 mhz players 12.02.06 # preglow: too cheap to do something not very hard? 12.02.10 # preglow: I tried jhMikeS' patch and it looked much better 12.02.37 # i friggin' _hate_ banding on dvds 12.03.00 # yeah, the only reason I want the option is when raw framerate might be the concern over color quality for fast stuff 12.03.23 # Couldn't mpegplayer adapt? i.e. not dither when it's struggling to play in realtime? 12.03.35 # But then a 500Mhz player should just always dither it 12.04.44 Join seablue [0] (n=s@0x535c1344.banxx3.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) 12.05.16 # adapt? I had considered it but I think it might look weird to switch it. 12.05.50 # Just an idea... 12.06.48 # anywho, i've gotta catch a plane, see you all later 12.07.02 # later 12.10.25 # jhMikeS: Have I understood you correctly that the PP5020 issue is that the swp(b) instruction is not dual-core safe, but it is on the PP5022? 12.12.34 # linuxstb: it's not even single-core safe on PP5020. On PP5022 I can run tight dual core code with no problem. 12.13.16 # I guess it's a memory controller bug. swp(b) should lock the bus between the read and the write, but probably doesn't 12.13.43 # I made the SPC codec use semaphores and block the threads as the buffer fills and empties and it runs all day long. 12.14.50 # Obvious question, but I see Rockbox uses swpb - have you tried swp? 12.15.02 # amiconn: could turning off the cache just be making a lockup less likely? test_queue ran fine then. 12.15.18 # linuxstb: didn't I have you check that already? 12.15.27 # I can't remember. 12.16.22 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5B03AE25.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 12.17.00 # then many thread state variables need to be 32-bit instead of 8. I packed the structures down to not waste IRAM where it's precious. 12.22.17 # what's that other connector at the top of the H10? a remote? 12.23.09 # yes 12.25.07 # The iRiver stuff seems better made than other brands. I don't know that still true. 12.25.38 # I don't like the H10 at all, the button placement sucks 12.26.14 # it does feel more solid though 12.27.11 # jhMikeS: Have you seen swp being used in any pp5020 original firmwares? I've just done a quick search of the various disassemblies from my ipod color - none of the code that's in flash seems to use it, and I don't think retailos does either, but I could be wrong about retailos (too much data giving fake swp instructions, I may have missed a real one). 12.27.35 # the H100 and the H10 both have a nice solid case and buttons compared to others. 12.28.17 # linuxstb: no, I've never seen it. my understanding that hardware somehow supports mutexing. 12.30.44 # at least the locks wouldn't be spinlocks but would have some sort of sleep until the other core exits the critical section. 12.32.26 # COP/CPU_CTL does that function but in a really limited way via delaying. there'd have to be more than that though. 12.38.46 Part tomv_w 12.39.11 # < 5 minutes build time for 65 builds is very neat 12.40.17 # > 30 commits yesterday and today is also :) 12.40.22 # if all retailos does is use the cop like a worker and tell it what to do through mailboxes then maybe that's it. I think such a multicore kernel implemention in rockbox to support one particular processor version would just be a bad approach. 12.42.21 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b9a55.ucd.ie) 12.43.59 # barrywardell: Hi. When you next get a chance, could you test if the svn version of e200rpatcher (and the patching application in bootloader/) is still working for you? It doesn't work any more for JdGordon (application gets uploaded, but doesn't appear to run), and the person trying to get it working on windows has reached the same issue. 12.44.12 # yes, I can test now... 12.47.00 Join Arathis_ [0] (n=doerk@p5B03AE25.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 12.47.07 # one has to love progress bars that go to 100% at a reasonable speed and then just sit there for a while... 12.47.59 Quit Arathis (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.48.01 # progress bars as implemented by Microsoft = Software implementation of Zeno's paradox 12.48.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.48.33 # linuxstb: I still have the old problems uploading the application 12.48.46 # linuxstb: but when it finally uploaded, it seems to work 12.49.32 # (it uploaded the fifth time I ran e200rpatcher 12.49.33 # ) 12.55.44 # B4gder: you noticed that the c200 manual now builds? 12.55.59 # no... time to add it then 12.57.57 # hm since when? 12.58.46 # it doesn't build for me 12.59.13 # it doesn't? Since pixelma added the missing player image yesterday. 12.59.32 # my "make manual" sticks 13.00.03 # http://pastebin.com/m5201448b 13.00.42 # hmm -- right. 13.00.52 # strange it worked for me before. I'll have a look 13.00.56 # bluebrother: did you add the platform file? Did I miss it? 13.02.38 # oh, sorry. Yes I did miss it *goes to the back of class* 13.04.14 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 13.04.47 Quit ddalton ("leaving") 13.04.52 Join ddalton [0] (n=daniel@203-214-50-20.dyn.iinet.net.au) 13.05.18 Quit Isolinear (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.08.08 Quit bluebrother (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.08.11 Join bluebrother [0] (i=ho34lp8h@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 13.09.05 # bluebrother: when I try to compile the manual it hangs in a different place 13.09.14 # B4gder, pixelma: I did a quite dumb mistake when adding the platform file. Fix committed ... 13.09.57 # hehe 13.10.15 # * bluebrother goes stand in the corner 13.10.52 # welcome 13.11.39 # thanks 13.12.38 # now the manual is building for me 13.12.48 # yeah for me too 13.13.08 # * B4gder reruns the builder script 13.13.38 # but I'm not sure if it should be already provided since some things don't work as advertised yet 13.13.57 # but isn't it better with this than without any manual? 13.14.51 Part ddalton 13.15.12 # I think it's better to have it around so people can find issues. More eyes :) 13.15.12 # is everything up and running to install the bootloader through "official" means already? 13.15.31 # not quite yet, but really soon now 13.15.39 # linuxstb wanted to release a new ipodpatcher soon. 13.15.52 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.16.25 # * bluebrother heads off for lunch 13.16.27 # well, ok. There is also an Ipod1g/2g manual so it should be treated the same, I think 13.16.30 # anyway, I've built the c200 manual and synced it off to the download master 13.16.41 # so within an hour the download servers should have it 13.17.20 # and I just answered someone who already reported "issues" to wait for the manual... 13.17.30 # ^in th forum that is 13.17.35 # *the 13.17.36 # yes, I noticed 13.20.13 Join Isolinear [0] (n=A@c-76-105-254-119.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 13.21.42 # Should I build a new sansapatcher release? Seems the c200 works fine, but the latest e200 bootloader seems to be causing issues... 13.22.35 # <--- iPod user. 13.22.45 # barrywardell: Thanks for testing. I've no idea what we can do to make it more reliable though... 13.23.50 # So I've been trying to work with this multifont patch... 13.24.00 # What does the %e tag do? 13.24.08 # linuxstb_: I have the same reliability issues with e200tool, so it's either a libusb problem or a problem with the usb code in e200tool 13.24.28 # linuxstb_: do you want me to test the e200 bootloader too? 13.24.45 # Sure, people seem to be reporting that it's not loading the OF correctly. 13.25.01 # Although that's not universal - it's working for some people. 13.25.23 # ok, I'll test it on my Sansa 13.28.46 Join Entasis [0] (n=Jarred@ppp121-45-50-38.lns11.adl2.internode.on.net) 13.33.03 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 13.34.22 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@bas3-montreal28-1242529967.dsl.bell.ca) 13.35.30 # Isolinear: sounds like something the patch adds 13.36.48 # linuxstb_: there's a missing message on line 52 of sansaio-posix.c 13.38.10 # linuxstb_: but loading the OF works for me 13.39.43 # Has the patch been documented at all? I didn't even know there was a %e tag until I was digging through a .wps file that utilizes it... 13.39.59 # It'd be nice to know what I'm working with... lol 13.41.52 # Isolinear: I would just look at the patch itself, and see what tags it adds. 13.42.19 # * pixelma can set time/date and foreground/backfground colour correctly on her c200 :) 13.42.31 # *background 13.42.43 # Isolinear: which patch is it? is it in our tracker? 13.43.42 # Zagor: lol.. I was just thinking that... Gotta cut me some slack, I forgot the tracker existed because A: I've kinda been out of the scene for a while and B: it's 4:42am... ;) 13.44.39 # no worries. it's just difficult to give meaningful answers without knowing what you are looking at. 13.44.52 # Indeed. 13.45.14 # Hmm... 13.45.19 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5901 13.46.31 # Isolinear: when searching the tracker for multifont I get 2 hits - the other one tells you something about the %e tag ;) 13.47.23 # ah no, that's the one you linked to 13.47.37 # Yeah.. I'm trying to understand that syntax... 13.47.50 # Looks like it specifies coordinates and color information... 13.48.31 # seems I need glasses - look at FS#5900 it's explained there 13.49.14 # (new glasses...) 13.49.30 # So basically if I want to specify a different font for a line, I need to also specify position/color? 13.49.49 # with that patch, yes 13.49.55 # Ouch. 13.50.04 # The position and color were just fine as they were... lol 13.50.34 # Seems to be a quick and dirty patch. 13.51.41 # well, it's a solution for his specific need. not suitable for commit IMHO 13.52.04 # Yes, but it certainly has potential... 13.52.20 # Multifont makes for pretty WPS's... :) 13.52.53 # The way it is makes for a lot of bloat though... 13.53.00 # sure. but multifont is #4733. #5900 is just this "custom wps line" patch, that adds to the multifont patch. 13.53.14 # Ahhh... 13.53.57 # I was going to say, if I need to specify a hex color code for every line that uses a different font... 13.54.04 # lol 13.54.27 # however #4733 apparently doesn't allow multiple fonts on the same screen, so it's not what you're looking for either 13.54.39 # Exactly. 13.54.48 # It is kinda nice though... 13.55.05 # For example, use a big font on the WPS, and a smaller one in long lists.. 13.55.16 # That's what I've done so far. 13.55.42 # http://marc.info/?l=rockbox&m=119015365746358&w=2 13.55.53 # my post on the topic, a bit over two years ago 13.57.06 # B4gder: heh, anything wrong with our own mail archive? :) 13.57.07 # "Use different fonts for different parts of the WPS." was even posted 2002-12-13 13.57.11 Join AnarchoVegan [0] (i=dcf04041@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-32a2fa1998801cbf) 13.57.17 # Zagor: marc has a search 13.57.20 # lol 13.57.21 # Hi Everyone 13.57.26 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 13.57.32 # well so do we 13.57.45 # well, sure, but less good 13.57.52 # B4gder: a nice start would be the possible to set a different font for the remote 13.58.01 # yeah 13.58.03 # *possibility 13.58.05 Join elinenbe [0] (n=elinenbe@cpe-68-174-107-47.nyc.res.rr.com) 13.58.06 # Umm, how do you convert movies to MPEG with WINFF in Ubuntu Linux? 13.58.12 Quit spiorf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.58.24 # having the same font on the remote really is lame 13.58.27 # I see radio mentioned which reminds me, does rockbox at all support the Apple radio remote? 13.58.35 # AnarchoVegan: you don't. You use a program that runs on linux. 13.58.36 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 13.58.43 # for example vlc 13.58.45 # Or would I need to boot to OF to use that? 13.58.46 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host62-205-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 13.58.48 # I see :D 13.58.48 # Isolinear: no, we speak of internal fm 13.58.56 # Gotcha. 13.59.00 # AnarchoVegan: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer#How_to_encode_files 13.59.09 # Are there any GUI media converters for linux? 13.59.18 # pixelma: rbutil should be able to detect and install on the c200 now. I would be interested in reports ... ;-) 13.59.25 # in winff, it flashes for a millisecond and doesn't encode anything :( 13.59.41 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 13.59.45 # AnarchoVegan: read the page 14.00.14 # there is kmencoder as frontend to mencoder for example. No idea if / how good that works. 14.00.47 # ooo thanks, ill have a look at that 14.01.23 # yeah, anything to avoid reading the answer to your questions... 14.01.55 Join darkapostrophe [0] (n=darkapos@217-50-177.231210.adsl.tele2.no) 14.02.23 # mencoder is surprisingly straightforward though 14.02.42 Quit B4gder ("It is time to say MOOO") 14.06.13 # pixelma: do you think we should start referencing rbutil in the installation instructions in the manual? 14.06.18 # * Nico_P wonders what FS#7807 (gzip/gunzip port) could be useful for... 14.07.32 Join agm3nt [0] (i=nat-107@nat.n3t.pl) 14.07.44 # good question 14.07.49 # dionoea? 14.11.21 # linuxstb_: is there a reason why nonverbose calls to printf don't just return in bootloader/common.c ? 14.12.31 # Zagor: because if an error happens later, it's nice to have all the printf output 14.12.47 # ok, good point 14.14.04 # yay, gmencoder installed :=) 14.14.54 # Im off now, cya everyone 14.14.56 Quit AnarchoVegan ("CGI:IRC") 14.15.24 Nick Arathis_ is now known as Arathis (n=doerk@p5B03AE25.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.17.20 Join darkapostrophe__ [0] (n=darkapos@217-50-177.231210.adsl.tele2.no) 14.18.48 Quit Dark_Apostrophe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.18.49 Nick darkapostrophe__ is now known as Dark_Apostrophe (n=darkapos@217-50-177.231210.adsl.tele2.no) 14.18.49 Quit atsea-45 (Remote closed the connection) 14.25.44 Join darkapostrophe__ [0] (n=darkapos@217-50-177.231210.adsl.tele2.no) 14.31.12 Quit darkapostrophe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.32.07 Part LinusN 14.33.18 # Received Sansa E280 last evening - charged up and immediately load RockBox. RockBox seems to work well. Tried to dual boot and test appears on screen, fades away after a few seconds and that is where the Sansa stays. Not sure how to proceed 14.34.20 # When I conect to USB port same thing happens 14.34.43 # Ren: A few people seem to reporting that. As a test, could you try running this (older) version of sansapatcher? http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/e200/v0.2/win32/sansapatcher.exe 14.34.58 # You'll need to restore the OF on your Sansa using "recovery mode". 14.35.04 # (OF = original firmware) 14.35.33 # ok - will I find procedure in the Rock Box manual or other 14.36.06 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick 14.36.54 # bluebrother: I admit that I didn't follow rbutil development closely - how well does it work on all the different systems and different targets? 14.36.59 Part agm3nt 14.37.12 # Thank You I will undertake this action when I return from work later today and report back here if that is helpfl.... Nice to have such a great group to ask these tpes of questions. Have a great day 14.38.45 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c58-109-97-210.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au) 14.38.53 Quit Dark_Apostrophe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.38.53 Nick darkapostrophe__ is now known as Dark_Apostrophe (n=darkapos@217-50-177.231210.adsl.tele2.no) 14.38.57 # pixelma: well, it still needs testing but from all test I was able to do it worked fine. 14.39.26 # I can provide you an updated w32 binary which should be able detecting and installing on the c200 if you'd like to try 14.41.03 # maybe we could mention it as an alternative for now, but that could also get confusing... 14.41.37 # my idea was to split up the installation in "automated" and "manual" installation 14.41.48 Join Crackerizer [0] (i=ca0c6172@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5afcdde6c0b3d73b) 14.42.07 # bluebrother: probably I should test it at least one time (with the other targets as well) 14.42.12 Join darkapostrophe [0] (n=darkapos@217-50-177.231210.adsl.tele2.no) 14.42.22 Quit Ren ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 14.42.52 # pixelma: I build an updated binary from current svn http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/rbutilqt.zip 14.43.22 # unfortunately I only have two targets to test 14.44.40 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@pD955D6B8.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.44.58 # I only have one more since wednesday 14.45.55 # but the idea to mention both and split it up into automated and manual installation sounds reasonable to me 14.46.28 # Hello everybody, 14.46.59 # I think we shouldn't dump the manual installation at all -- if rbutil becomes the official method the manual instructions should be still available imo 14.47.14 # my idea was to move them to the appendix. 14.47.21 # I just want to tell that rockbox is rock like it name.. 14.47.45 # bluebrother: IMO the main work remaining on rbutil is to add more explanatory text to guide users through the installation (things like closing itunes (and enabling its "use ipod as a disk" option), mounting/unmounting drives etc). Maybe we could have something like an "rbutil cleanup week", where we ask people to test rbutil, and help write such text and clarify error messages etc.. 14.48.01 # thank you everybody here for make it happen... 14.48.05 Join Ren [0] (i=458e0587@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2e79bc95a9af69f6) 14.48.12 # linuxstb_: sounds like a good idea. 14.48.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.48.27 # bluebrother: I do need to run rbutil.exe with admin rights? <- shows how much I know... 14.48.31 # I'd also like to see the usb pid detection. 14.48.32 # bluebrother: And I agree we should keep the non-rbutil install instructions visible. 14.48.48 # bluebrother: feature freeze ;) 14.48.52 # pixelma: only if your installation depends on ipodpatcher / sansapatcher 14.49.12 # linuxstb_: well, that feature is already in, it's just missing for w32 ;-) 14.49.22 # ah, thanks 14.49.27 # (and only for the bootloader installation) 14.50.36 # bluebrother: I don't know if you've seen them, but I've read a few reports recently when rbutil fails to detect an ipod (or maybe a sansa), but the *patcher.exe succeeds. I can't think why that could be... 14.51.43 # hmm... should rbutil be able to auto detect my M5? It finds the drive but doesn't close the dialog 14.52.11 # it can detect all players that have Rockbox installed. 14.52.31 # autodetection won't close the configuration dialog as you might want to change other things as well ;-) 14.53.59 # well, if I close it, a message pops up that the configuration is invalid and prompts with the same dialog again... 14.54.41 # hmm -- you closed it with the Ok button? 14.55.10 # yes 14.55.29 # and I assume the values it autodetected are correct. 14.55.31 # and of course I have rockbox installed 14.56.44 # seems like it doesn't autodetect all values, just the drive letter 14.59.29 Quit Dark_Apostrophe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.59.29 Nick darkapostrophe is now known as Dark_Apostrophe (n=darkapos@217-50-177.231210.adsl.tele2.no) 15.01.18 Join freq32 [0] (n=nimo@IGLD-80-230-205-75.inter.net.il) 15.01.24 # does rockbox play mp4 ? 15.01.44 # You need to be more specific - what kind of "mp4" ? 15.02.08 # 10 bucks says .m4a... 15.02.10 # :P 15.02.23 # i actually have no idea, .mp4 files you download from podtropolis 15.02.31 # Are they audio files, or video? 15.02.35 # video 15.02.42 # Then, no. 15.02.43 # Ooooh.. 15.03.01 # bluebrother: I selected the target myself now and installed a current build, worked correctly. Another question where does rbutil take the themes from, to me the selection looks like X5 themes (which would still work) but I'd expect to be more... 15.03.02 # ah. so how are you guys vieweing movies? on the original OS? 15.03.19 # freq32: On which original OS? Rockbox runs on about 20 different mp3 players... 15.03.31 # Sorry i forgot to say im using ipod video 15.03.41 # pixelma: the themes are taken from rockbox-themes.org 15.03.54 # yes, but which section? 15.03.55 # freq32: Read this page - especially the introduction. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer 15.04.06 # thanks 15.04.10 Join mbr [0] (n=mbr@p3EE06132.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.04.51 Quit freq32 (Client Quit) 15.05.19 # hmm, seems like the themes for the x5 are used. 15.05.30 # bluebrother: the list has all the X5 themes that work without patches, the greyscale ones are missing 15.05.54 Quit Crackerizer ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 15.08.34 Join Nullbyte [0] (i=Nigra@0x573cd567.boanxx21.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) 15.08.41 # pixelma: fixed and updated the binary 15.08.47 # the OndioFM is autodetected correctly 15.08.53 # Hey, when will rockbox support 6th generation iPod? 15.09.15 # Nullbyte: nobody knows. Don't hold your breath, probably this will happen never 15.09.23 Join latchema [0] (n=adam@91.125.119.37) 15.09.29 # Oh, that sucks :/ 15.10.02 # bluebrother: I wouldn't call v2.5 recommended though 15.10.14 # the 6G is completely different to the other Ipods. 15.10.43 # well, perhaps similar to the 2G Nano - but we don't support that either 15.11.56 # * pixelma installs her own wps through rbutil... :> 15.16.36 # bluebrother: auto detection also doesn't work for the C200 15.16.49 # hmm :/ 15.18.21 Part latchema 15.21.17 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@241.29.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 15.23.49 Join AlexC [0] (n=AlexC@dragnet2034196225.dragnet.com.au) 15.24.51 # when I select it myself and the try to install the bootloader, I first get "Bootloader up to date, install anyways?" > "Yes" > "No sansa found" 15.25.19 # hmm. The sansa is detected by its disc layout, isn't it? 15.26.02 # I have no idea. 15.26.03 # Yes, plus the contents of the firmware partition. 15.26.11 # * bluebrother wonders if its possible to fake the sansa's disc 15.26.32 # See the is_sansa() function in sansapatcher.c for the detection. 15.27.20 # ok. 15.28.02 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.28.19 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@pD955B90F.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.29.38 Join james_malone [0] (n=James@58.175.83.231) 15.31.04 Quit Nullbyte ("Leaving") 15.33.49 Nick parafin|away is now known as parafin (i=parafin@paraf.in) 15.39.56 Quit kubiixaka (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.40.37 Join craver [0] (n=nimo@IGLD-80-230-205-75.inter.net.il) 15.40.55 # what program are u using to organize your music? 15.41.03 # that can work well with rockbox album art 15.43.21 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@ip-89-103-17-41.karneval.cz) 15.45.49 # album art is not officially supported 15.46.02 # so forget the AA 15.46.06 # what are u using? 15.46.18 # windows explorer :) 15.46.26 # what do you mean by "organize"? 15.46.41 # the database will sort your files out for you, as long as they are tagged properly 15.46.46 # i got tons of music i want to tag 15.46.50 # no matter what your file/directory structure is 15.47.21 # like i got some radiohead songs titled as "radiohead" and some as "radio head" 15.47.29 # I use /music/A/Artist/AlbumName/01 - song.mp3 15.47.29 # something to fix all these 15.47.33 # I don't use them, but I've heard people mention GodFather and Media Monkey 15.47.35 Quit tictoc ("Leaving") 15.47.43 # petur - r u doing this manually? 15.48.08 # what os? 15.48.13 # win xp 15.48.15 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 15.48.16 # I started like this when converting all my CD's 15.48.28 # * GodEater did too 15.48.55 # * GodEater observes cynically that most people with tagging "problems" have downloaded there music collection 15.49.07 # if you were running *nix, I'd say you could do a bit of clever scripting if the file titles were useful 15.49.10 # * linuxstb_ does a similar thing, but /music/Artist/Year-AlbumName/NN-Trackname.ext 15.49.20 # nice 15.49.23 # * petur also has /music/A/Artist/_Live_/Date_Location/01 - song.mp3 :) 15.49.26 # well ill try godfather 15.49.55 Quit craver () 15.49.59 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 15.50.22 # * linuxstb_ has a /Bootlegs/Artist/Date-Venue/NN-trackname.ext 15.50.55 Quit james_malone (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.50.58 # most of my collection I "acquired" using streamripper 15.51.33 # so I have hundreds of tracks in genre folders 15.51.57 # not much sorted by artist/album other than what I ripped off my own cds 15.54.27 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF5693.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.56.14 # bluebrother: the M5 auto detection seems to work now with the newer binary, themes selection looks also correct 15.56.42 Join nicktastic [0] (n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic) 15.58.19 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 16.00.51 # Zagor: ? 16.01.08 # nice :) 16.01.50 # dionoea: we (I and nico) were a bit curious about the purpose of your gzip plugin 16.02.28 # hmm, building sansapatcher requires bootimg_c200.c. Where can I find it? 16.02.46 # bluebrother: build the c200 bootloader 16.02.51 # Well in fact i don't really know :) One of the ideas I had was to implement an "automated rockbox update" where you'd simply put a rockbox.tar.gz file in your player's root and it'd install it 16.03.35 # Zagor: ok, me is blind ... overlooked that bootimg_c200.c isn't the required file but the dependency :( 16.03.44 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 16.03.47 # I was kind of bored the other day so I figured that I'd give that port a try :D 16.03.57 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 16.04.27 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 16.05.31 # dionoea: I guessed it was something like that :-) 16.05.37 # about the compression part (as opposed to decompression), i really don't know what it could be used for :) Maybe compress wav files until you get near a computer ? :p 16.05.54 # haha 16.05.58 # gotta go 16.06.00 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 16.06.10 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 16.06.47 Join kubiixaka [0] (n=Miranda@ip-89-103-17-41.karneval.cz) 16.07.32 # zipping might not be such a bad idea... if you're out in the field recording and need more room, you could zip some stuff to make room :) 16.08.43 # do rockbox support recording to an efficient lossless format ? 16.08.46 # *does 16.09.06 # yes 16.09.38 # but you could have started in wav by mistake or because you weren't planning to record much 16.09.46 # hehe :) 16.10.16 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@hdp186.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 16.10.17 # in any case more use than some of the demo plugins we have ;) 16.11.18 # do we have a dump of the firmware partition of an e200 / c200 around somewhere? 16.12.01 # dionoea: There's already a wavpack encoder plugin IIRC. 16.12.24 # * bluebrother found something 16.13.16 Quit barrywardell (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.14.06 # while i'm here, anyone know if austriancoder is making progress with the usb stack/driver/whatever it's called? 16.14.37 # he's here ;) 16.14.43 # petur: Then use wav2wv.rock (if that still exists) 16.14.44 # ooh :) 16.14.48 # and yes, I think he does 16.14.53 Quit desowin (Client Quit) 16.14.57 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.15.04 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF6B0C.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.15.06 Join agm3nt [0] (i=agm3nt@nat.n3t.pl) 16.15.27 # dionoea: I would be more interested in a zip/unzip plugin. The build system builds .zip by default... 16.15.35 # amiconn: ok, fair enough, so no zip requirements unless you have other files in there ;) 16.17.13 # amiconn: well my next step is porting gnu tar. I think that i'll also have a look at busybox' libunarchive which seems to handle a bunch of formats (tar zip gz bz2 lzma...) but only on the decompression side 16.17.35 # I haven't had a look at the linux zip/unzip source code yet. 16.17.50 # I can see a use for having unzip in the plugin lib - so things like the emulators can load romsets directly from zip files. 16.18.06 # dionoea: info-zip should port relatively easily - it runs on about 100 different OSes... 16.18.08 # hmm, my forged e200 gets detected nicely. 16.18.28 Join TMM [0] (n=hp@ip5650d1ab.direct-adsl.nl) 16.18.31 # linuxstb_: ah nice, i'll have a look 16.19.04 Quit kubiix (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.19.34 # dionoea: I did some (really basic) tar handling in my tar themes installer -- see FS#6156 16.20.00 # yeah, you told me that yesterday :) i haven't forgoten 16.20.06 # but me ;-) 16.20.12 # hehe 16.20.26 # well, I remember noting it a while ago but I wasn't sure if it was you, so ... 16.20.31 # * bluebrother feels old 16.22.02 Join tmske [0] (n=thomas@dD5763506.access.telenet.be) 16.23.53 Quit AlexC ("Ex-Chat") 16.26.27 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@ip-89-103-17-41.karneval.cz) 16.30.44 # Gra ... unzip uses a lot of mallocs :/ 16.32.20 # ah, looks like some of those can be removed using the appropriate defines 16.35.23 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 16.36.28 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.41.55 Join skatteola [0] (i=david@c-70a6e455.16-0154-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 16.43.47 # I've ordered the iAudio7, is anyone else also interested in working on it already? or is it a bit too early to start finding 'friends'? :) 16.44.29 # never too early 16.44.37 # the forums have a larger audience though 16.44.43 Quit kubiixaka (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.45.33 # what are the chances of running rockbox in a sim on the iphone? 16.46.03 # has anyone ported SDL to the iphone yet ? 16.46.19 # no idea 16.46.27 # that would be the first thing to find out 16.46.32 # and the wiki is really the correct place for placing static information (board scans, etc) so your best bet is probably a multi-pronged attack. Starting a wiki page with all info found (and unfound) a forum thread in New Ports announcing your intent and needs/abilities, and a mail to the dev mailing list also announcing your intentions and capabilities. 16.46.32 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.46.34 # cos if no-one has, then the chances are < 0 16.47.06 # TMM: step one (before recruiting) is to open her up, and take lots of pics and/or scans 16.47.12 # Oh, and if the above was not obvious - it was intended as a response to TMM and his porting desires. 16.47.38 # then post on forum "Who wants to help, lets get started by finding out what components these are!" 16.47.40 # * bluebrother fails to forge a c200 :( 16.47.45 # yeah, I read all the stuff about new ports :) 16.48.00 # I even kind of learned about JTAG from a collegue of mine 16.48.13 # and I'm trying to mentally prepare myself on opening up a brand-spanking new mp3 player 16.48.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.48.26 # I even got a flatbed scanner :) 16.48.33 # * GodEater thought only apple fanboys needed that sort of prep 16.48.39 # in case they scratch their idol 16.48.51 # it's more the mental leap of opening up a brand new toy 16.48.57 # and would have to do penance to the altar of Steve 16.49.00 # yeah, crack open that new $500^H^H^H300 iPhone :) 16.49.04 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-208-62.student.uu.se) 16.49.20 # for me, its a thing about breaking warrenty 16.49.20 # it's more the idea of opening up a brand new player at $500 :) 16.49.30 # daurn|laptop: pansy :) 16.49.36 # how they gonna tell ? 16.49.37 # but... as I usually import, warrentee is usually of no use anyway 16.49.39 # I got a year extended warrenty that should cover 'dropping' it 16.49.42 # broken seals 16.49.48 # screw driver marks etc :P 16.49.53 # * GodEater didn't see any seals on his ipod 16.49.58 # and there aren't any screws 16.50.05 # my serial number posted all over the internet in photos 16.50.07 # The polar bears must have gotten to it first. 16.50.15 # daurn|laptop: that's pure paranoia now 16.50.18 # GodEater: not everyone has an ipod :P 16.50.25 # well, as long as I can make it look like it was dropped from a flight of stairs, I should be able to get a replacement anyway ;) 16.50.35 # daurn|laptop: indeed not, but there were also no seals on my H140, or on my Gigabeat F 16.50.46 # and I defy anyone to tell whether I've opened either of them 16.51.07 # my archos had one of those warrenty void stickers 16.51.11 # so did my psp 16.51.22 # again, I think global warming and hungry polar bears have something to do with the lack of seals. 16.51.53 # soap: do you think they just break them? you'd think they'd eat them 16.52.21 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 16.52.32 # TMm: break their neck / pierce their skin 16.52.33 # * TMM wonders how many times you can return a 'dropped' mp3 player before they get suspicious 16.52.46 # TMM: until the warrenty runs out 16.52.53 # 2 years then 16.52.55 # yay! 16.53.18 # I'm really wondering what arch is in that thing :) 16.53.42 # I hope it's ARM, I already know ARM assembly (somewhat) 16.53.51 # mmm 16.53.52 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp221-58.adsl.forthnet.gr) 16.54.00 # I wish there were more hdd players around 16.54.06 # Too many piddling flash players 16.55.21 Join sr [0] (n=sr@bearnaise.net) 16.55.32 # hi! 16.56.19 # daurn|laptop: AFAIK there won't BE any more HDD based players :( on account of hitachi stopping making 1" disks 16.56.30 # 1.8"... 16.56.40 # I want someting with at least 30gb 16.56.55 # daurn|laptop: yeah, me too, but I couldn't find any non-apple branded device 16.57.03 # daurn|laptop: so, I settled on the 16Gb iAudio7 16.57.17 # well, I'm about to settle for an 8gb iphone 16.57.29 # no option, got an apple logo on it 16.57.33 # but... its half because I need a new phone 16.58.57 # then get a decent phone ;) 16.59.17 # only other option is a samsung d900i 16.59.28 # it's just my personal belief I shouldn't buy stuff from either apple or microsoft :) I don't care what YOU do with YOUR dollars 16.59.34 # and I would like to get an iphone for the hell of it :) 16.59.55 # daurn|laptop: there's a special place in hell for people that buy iPhones, very special ;) 16.59.57 # Why not burn your money "for the hell of it" 17.00.16 # aliask: that's not as satisfactory as buying useless gadgets, I've tried it :P 17.00.30 # cause if I don't like it, I can always sell an iphone on to some other person 17.00.39 # I suppose 17.00.43 # you can't sell ashes 17.00.51 # well.... money ashes 17.00.52 # daurn|laptop: yeah, you can pass it on, kind of like herpes :) 17.01.11 # mmm, but with herpes, you can pass it on to as many people as you want 17.01.13 # TMM: You got any idea what's inside the iAudio7? 17.01.28 # you only get one iphone to pass on ;) 17.01.32 # aliask: not yet, but I'm hoping to find out somewhere next week 17.01.48 # Keep us posted, I'm curious at least 17.02.16 # godEater: but, you have experience prying open mp3 players then? have you written up some tutorial on how to start dismantling devices? a generic guide on what to look for perhaps? 17.02.31 # TMM: erm - tiny screws ? 17.02.35 # aliask: I'll do all the stuff in newports 17.02.38 # they're usually a dead giveaway 17.02.44 # godEater: how many mp3 players have screws? 17.02.51 # mine 17.02.59 # godEater: I thought most where 'clicked' together, 2 shells 17.03.00 # 2/3 of mine 17.03.08 # only one which doesn't is the ipod 17.03.09 # well, I can do screws! :) 17.03.17 # and there are plenty of guides on how to take those apart 17.03.25 # although it helps to have a special tool to do it 17.03.34 # or you risk slicing your hands to ribbons with a razor blade 17.03.41 # uh 17.03.46 # instructions on how to use a screw? 17.03.48 # :P 17.03.51 # godeater: I hate it when that happens 17.04.03 # TMM: does it have a battery compartment? 17.04.04 # no, on how to dismantle an ipod 17.04.31 # daurn|laptop: as of yet, I know nothing about the player, except for the burning hole in my pocket, and that it should arrive within the next couple of days 17.05.00 # oh right 17.05.02 # you don't have it yet 17.05.05 # daurn|laptop: and I know that the factory firmware looks ugly as fuck 17.05.10 # should be VERY easy once you get it 17.05.11 Quit Jon-Kha ("Lost terminal") 17.05.26 Join Jon-Kha [0] (i=jon-kha@80-248-247-190.cust.suomicom.fi) 17.05.32 # well, opening her up is the bit I'm worrying the most about :) 17.05.40 # look for screws... if none, look for a major seem, and pry it open with a laminated card (like the cheap ass library cards) 17.05.47 # TMM: I'm sure it won't be as bad as you fear 17.05.48 # *seam 17.05.56 # or a guitar pick 17.06.39 # yeah, the guitar pick option didn't work 17.06.42 # we did try for quite a while 17.06.49 # Lies! I've done it with one 17.06.53 # seemed like a good idea at the time ;) 17.06.55 # GodEater: seems there are iphone apps that use sdl already.... so there must be sdlsomewhere (though I can't find it) 17.07.15 # eg, http://code.google.com/p/iphone-sdl-mame/ 17.07.20 # well that increases the chances of getting RBasAPP running on it then ;) 17.11.42 Join Salokyn [0] (i=d55bf79d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7ee015a410c4d6ea) 17.11.53 # Hi 17.12.25 # hi... 17.15.48 # TMM, i do not know if this makes any difference but there is photos of the iaudio6 opened up 17.16.17 # advcomp2019: where? :) 17.16.22 # advcomp2019: I don't know if it'll help either 17.16.53 # TMM, here is http://www.iaudiophile.net/forums/showthread.php?t=9298 17.17.26 # advcomp2019: this might be helpful actually, it uses the swingtouch thing as well 17.18.17 Quit Ren (Nick collision from services.) 17.18.55 # advcomp2019: no mention of the arch though 17.19.40 Quit tmske (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.20.13 Join tmske [0] (n=thomas@dD5763506.access.telenet.be) 17.20.14 # hmm - telechips 17.20.18 # is that the DAC ? 17.20.33 # They make various SoCs, mostly ARM based. 17.20.37 Quit petur ("connection reset by beer (Leffe to be precise)") 17.20.44 # ah 17.20.59 # there's your hint then TMM 17.21.09 # go hunt out that model of telechip 17.21.32 # It almost goes without saying that they don't publish their datasheets... 17.21.36 # it LOOKS like the iAudio7 is a flash based version of the iAudio6 17.21.53 # linuxstb: of course ;) 17.22.05 Join Frazz [0] (n=Fraser@thelawsons.plus.com) 17.22.08 # where would be the fun in it for TMM if he could actually look stuff up ? 17.22.30 # I'd like a datasheet ;) 17.22.44 # ah - you're one of THOSE developers :) 17.22.48 # argh... they do wma decoding and drm shit 17.22.54 # no chance of specs there 17.23.06 # *we* do dma decoding 17.23.07 # TCC770 series - http://www.telechips.com/product/p_024.asp 17.23.17 # er 17.23.20 # wma decoding 17.23.23 # I'll get my coat 17.23.26 # someone call me a cab 17.23.30 # godEater: the DRM stuff? :) 17.23.40 # YAY! arm :) 17.23.44 # no - not the DRM stuff obviously 17.23.51 # http://www.telechips.com/kor/inc/data_list.asp 17.24.11 # datasheet 17.24.17 # aliask: easy tiger, he hasn't even taken delivery yet! 17.24.50 # * linuxstb gives up 17.25.15 # aliask - ah - another Uplink fan ;) 17.25.16 # perhaps I'll just order ONE of those chips ;) 17.25.16 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@athedsl-235115.home.otenet.gr) 17.25.29 # GodEater: Hell yes :D 17.25.36 # hehe - a fine fine game :) 17.26.05 # #rockbox-community 17.26.06 # RED CARD!!! 17.26.25 # ok 17.26.32 # GodEater: ok, there is no sdl package for the iphone, but it has been compiled IN various projects... 17.26.48 # daurn|laptop: you mean statically linked ? 17.27.03 # yeah 17.30.13 # * GodEater wonders if anyone has ever tried compiling the RBSim with SDL linked statically 17.30.22 # TMM: Nice work :) 17.31.13 # if not - post it on the wiki, there's a good chap ;) 17.34.10 # haha 17.34.15 Join trek [0] (n=trek@expt94-dhcp-7.ecn.purdue.edu) 17.34.16 # lol 17.37.04 # Is someone familiar with button handling in Rockbox ? I'm trying to solve bouncing problem on iaudioX5 . 17.40.57 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF77CA.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.42.33 # Salokyn: SOMEONE will be... just not here tm 17.42.35 # *atm 17.42.59 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 17.43.47 Join Saloky1 [0] (n=nicolas@88.213.195.63) 17.43.58 # I've (finally) managed to make a patch for merging the gigabeat S branch back into trunk, does anyone object to me committing it? 17.44.46 # linuxstb / amiconn / Bagder ? 17.44.54 Quit Salokyn ("CGI:IRC") 17.45.04 # aliask: I think the intention was to commit. ;) 17.45.18 # Righto then 17.45.24 # Maybe do it in small parts though - especially if you're changing a lot of existing files... 17.45.40 # (I don't know if that's possible though...) 17.45.49 # Well it is, but I don't see the point 17.46.16 # I've checked it, and it should be fine 17.46.23 # Doesn't seem to break other builds, and it compiles itself 17.46.51 Join atsea-45 [0] (i=atsea-@gateway/tor/x-3f4e74a60f1eb663) 17.47.03 # * amiconn is curious what the status of the gigabeat S port is 17.47.40 # Bootloader code runs on target, we've written drivers for a few things, but the whole MTP thing is really slowing things down 17.48.03 # MTP thing? 17.48.09 # Also, the rockbox.gigabeats file doesn't want to boot, but that's probably some oversight in crt0.S 17.48.31 # Well, we can't just transfer a new bootloader easily 17.50.20 # aliask: there's no way to do it under linux, is there ? 17.50.40 # Not that I've found yet, but it *could* be done, technically 17.50.44 # Hmm, isn't the gigabeat S i.MX31 based? 17.50.49 # It sure is 17.50.59 # aliask: I can test things if you have ideas 17.51.38 # Nico_P: Well, the only idea I really have is to reverse engineer the windows updater and reproduce under linux 17.52.06 # * aliask holds his breath and hopes r14805 builds nicely 17.52.21 # aliask: shouldn't it be possible too snoop the usb traffic between the gigabeat and the updater program? 17.52.35 # Should be. 17.52.46 # I'll look into it 17.53.10 # Iiuc it should be possible to adapt the usb stack code already in svn to provide ums mode on the gigabeat 17.53.22 # That's my current plan 17.53.26 # (once the usb stack is working properly on PP502x) 17.53.48 # aliask: you ought to talk to austriancoder 17.53.58 # Yes, I need to work out what I need to do 17.56.43 # brb, trying out a usb sniffer 17.57.50 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 17.58.20 # FS#7808 looks nice but the code is from an unknown person :-/ 17.58.30 # hmm... I thought shortcuts.c is now in plugins/SUBDIRS... 17.59.11 # Nico_P: Yes, "this isn't mine, found it via google on japanese pastebin" isn't quite what we expect... 18.00.06 # I like the idea though 18.00.58 # * bluebrother spots red 18.01.05 # * pixelma wants a cookie 18.01.57 # * bluebrother has cookies next to the pc and hands out some 18.06.15 # hmm, the download page shows a lot of "broken?" descriptions but downloads seem to work. Isn't this a bit confusing? 18.06.34 # i was going to say that too 18.07.45 # should I commit the trivial fix to the red line since aliask said he was "brb" ? 18.07.52 # someone against me fixing the red? 18.07.54 # I'm on it 18.08.04 # Doing a test compile to make sure it was only that one thing 18.08.08 # oh, the fix-red-race? ;-) 18.08.09 # I already have it (and test compiled) 18.08.16 # same here :) 18.08.23 # Damn my slow box :P 18.08.25 # at least an Ondio build 18.08.26 # let's let aliask commit the fix 18.08.31 # right 18.08.32 # Thanks :P 18.09.45 # aliask: why did you disable a bunch of plugins for the S ? 18.09.47 # aliask: you disabled plugins for c200 again (in tools/configure) 18.10.18 # didn't spot that... thanks! ;) 18.11.05 # question is - are the other changes that I made for plugins on the c200 reverted as well? 18.11.42 # pixelma: doesn't look like they were 18.11.50 # pixelma: Almost definitely not - I cropped the diff only to files I knew needed to be changed, so I missed the configure problem 18.11.50 # well, from the diff it doesn't look like -- no changes to plugin source files 18.12.16 # No idea why the plugins were disabled though 18.12.37 # ah, yes, just the shortcuts.c 18.15.07 Quit Isolinear (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.17.18 Join eigma [0] (i=eigma@134.117.69.206) 18.18.53 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@bas3-montreal28-1242529967.dsl.bell.ca) 18.19.15 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.22.08 Part hoobop ("leaving") 18.27.06 Join low_light [0] (i=c730190a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-33b2561fb64c8272) 18.29.26 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 18.30.04 # aliask: gigabeat S section in configure is wrong...use swcodec="yes" instead of codecs="......" 18.32.33 # low_light: Cheers. Must have changed - I just copied the gigabeat f one back in the day 18.37.03 Quit ToHellWithGA ("You know you'll miss me a lot.") 18.37.12 # right then, time for bar 18.38.42 Quit obo ("bye") 18.39.59 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 18.42.59 Part Saloky1 18.43.04 # Nico_P: regarding the new line selector...looks like it was done by midgey: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/reader.pl?date=20070730#09:26:31 (pastbin line a couple of line later) 18.46.42 Join kubiixaka [0] (n=Miranda@ip-89-103-17-41.karneval.cz) 18.46.46 Quit eigma () 18.48.13 Join rocko [0] (n=rocko@pc-71-80-121-24.will.ct.charter.com) 18.48.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.49.18 # low_light: nice find 18.49.49 Quit agm3nt () 18.50.14 Quit Frazz ("Leaving") 18.53.29 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 18.55.40 Quit TMM (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.57.08 Quit low_light ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 19.00.12 Join perrikwp [0] (i=98215ac0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-244fe46d7b287318) 19.02.55 Join izirku [0] (n=izirku@72.171.62.48) 19.03.25 Quit kubiix (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.04.32 Quit billytwowilly (Connection timed out) 19.04.33 # hello everybody, I have a iPod Photo 60Gb and an iTrip the one that hooks to the top of the ipod, not a docked type, I can't find any information on how to get it to work... any suggestions? 19.05.50 # Particularly, question is how to change frequencies without using original firmware? 19.08.23 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007073113]") 19.08.28 Join billytwowilly [0] (n=chris@CABLE-72-53-22-61.cia.com) 19.08.48 Quit spiorf ("Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)") 19.09.16 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@87.14.205.62) 19.09.19 Quit nicktastic (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19.11.06 Part izirku ("Leaving") 19.11.38 # izirku: If I recall correctly that model is known not to be working at this time. 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Slasheri is the guy behind the database 20.17.12 # ok thanks 20.17.19 # Slasheri: if you come around, please let me know. 20.17.37 # bluebrother: If I manage to do this, and do a few other tricks, I'll be ready to ditch the ipod and go to the sansa 20.19.42 # iirc the current code has some support for reusing it on a host pc. 20.20.05 # bluebrother: What I want is to modify the gpodder so I can sync my podcasts to rockbox and use rockbox. 20.20.28 # on the pc->rockbox side I want to add the copied podcasts to the db so they're listed as soon as it boots without a rescan needed. 20.20.53 # on the rockbox->pc side I want to read the playcount from the database to decide if a podcast has been listened to or still new. 20.21.02 # and, in the future, I'll possibly take bookmarks in account too. 20.21.07 Quit webmind ("Reconnecting") 20.21.13 Join webmind [0] (n=webmind@u2m.nl) 20.21.23 # if the podcast was stopped less than let's say 60% or 75% from the end, it will be considered new even if playcount is more than 0 20.21.28 # those are the changes I'm doing now. 20.21.50 # and it's what I need pc side, running on linux AND os x to switch my podcast syncing from itunes-ipod to rockbox. 20.22.03 # on the rockbox side I need to fiddle some with bookmarks but otherwise... it's almost there. 20.28.04 # isn't that almost the same as what the lastfm log does? 20.28.42 # and this log file is plain text 20.29.20 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 20.30.01 # Hmmm could be 20.30.18 # but I want to use the db so if other users want to use my code, they don't need to turn on the last.fm log to use it 20.33.11 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 20.33.15 Part pixelma 20.38.33 Quit MethoS- (Remote closed the connection) 20.38.33 Join xoring [0] (n=dumb@pool-72-66-97-143.washdc.fios.verizon.net) 20.39.18 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 20.39.19 Join XavierGr_ [0] (n=xavier@ppp40-37.adsl.forthnet.gr) 20.39.25 # has the dual-boot issue on the E200R series been resolved? 20.40.22 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=chatzill@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 20.40.28 Quit petur ("switching") 20.40.38 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 20.41.38 # xoring: I don't think any developer with an e200(r) can recreate the problem... 20.42.39 Join rocko [0] (n=rocko@c-71-235-127-194.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 20.43.02 # My brothers e260R is having that problem, I've tried the install procedure multiple times with three different firmware versions. Is there any information I can provide from his device that would help the devs? 20.45.46 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.45.46 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 20.47.28 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 20.48.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.49.18 Join tomv [0] (n=tv@87.230.125.6) 20.50.00 # Lars_G: hi, not any big changes but i have some plans adding few more tags to the structure in coming next few months 20.50.37 # Lars_G: if it's necessary to "stabilize" that structure, it could be possible to reserve a few unused tags 20.50.46 # then it should be compatible in future too 20.58.06 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 21.09.13 Quit austriancoder ("Konversation terminated!") 21.12.39 Quit MikhailTkach ("Leaving") 21.13.24 Join darkapostrophe [0] (n=darkapos@217-50-177.231210.adsl.tele2.no) 21.15.03 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF558E.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.20.10 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 21.23.01 Join webguest55 [0] (i=9ea50535@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5c8a7e58ff18f344) 21.23.31 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 21.24.03 Quit Dark_Apostrophe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.24.04 Nick darkapostrophe is now known as Dark_Apostrophe (n=darkapos@217-50-177.231210.adsl.tele2.no) 21.25.01 Join nev [0] (i=4b0bb983@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-dd4fcb4cd5d42a3e) 21.25.04 # My iPod crashes when it intailizes the database and it hits 600 items. How can I fix this? 21.25.09 # hey guys 21.25.14 # whats up 21.25.20 Join hannesd__ [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 21.25.38 # i was wondering when rockbox will be out for the new ipod classic 80gb 21.25.51 # nev, whenever somebody starts a port. 21.26.11 # when is that? 21.26.21 # there's no timeline. 21.26.29 # Anyone? 21.26.42 # nev, wil you ? :) 21.26.59 # webguest55, try restarting rockbox 21.28.07 # nev, there's a little work being done, but it's not really a whole lot. new ports happen when owners of the device make it happen. 21.29.11 # nev, donating one to an active developer sometimes helps :) 21.29.54 Quit hannesd (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.30.09 # I've tried that, tumu. 21.30.11 # haha 21.30.56 Quit darkless ("Leaving") 21.31.42 Quit nev ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.33.06 Quit billytwowilly (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.33.06 Quit webguest55 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.33.14 Join billytwowilly [0] (n=chris@CABLE-72-53-22-61.cia.com) 21.37.48 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul) 21.43.49 Join oranges2 [0] (i=UrzaBot@c-67-168-12-252.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 21.45.03 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 21.48.34 Quit BigMac (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.09.10 Quit grndslm ("Leaving") 22.15.22 Quit billytwowilly (Remote closed the connection) 22.18.02 Join billytwowilly [0] (n=chris@CABLE-72-53-22-61.cia.com) 22.18.17 # Bagder: what do you think about adding a "how to identify your player model" link to the front page? 22.18.20 Quit homielowe (Remote closed the connection) 22.18.33 # sounds like a good idea 22.18.57 # do we have such a page? 22.19.12 # we could just use the DeviceChart page 22.19.19 # true 22.19.30 # that page lacks a couple of players now 22.19.39 # c200 comes to mind 22.19.42 # or create a new one which separates by manufacturer and adds e.g. links to the apple identification page. 22.20.05 # yeah, I was thinking about those minor details that devicechart won't help people with 22.20.47 # I could try starting such a page. DeviceIdentification? 22.20.56 # IdentifyPlayer? 22.21.06 # Bagder: not that it hurts much but the c200 is also missing in the delta table 22.21.13 # IdentifyPlayer is probably closer to how people think 22.21.35 # pixelma: nope, it just has a weird column 22.21.53 # the first 22.22.18 # oh sorry, I looked for it somewhere in the near of the e200... 22.22.34 # yeah, it's a flaw that it isn't next to the e200. I intended it to be... 22.23.43 # hmmm ok I think I grasped on how to write the alarm driver for H300 but how can I find which hex address is the register that the datasheet describes? 22.24.30 # Which register/datasheet? 22.25.21 Quit Frazz ("Leaving") 22.25.29 # eg. RTCSCA on the pcf50606 datasheet 22.26.01 Join webguest48 [0] (i=9f5b12f8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0363693487bfff8d) 22.26.31 # am i going to be able to play movies on my c200 in the future 22.26.54 # * bluebrother misses a real question 22.27.04 # See firmware/driver/rtc/pcf_50606.c (and pcf50605.c - it's almost identical, but the 50605 (ipods) contains alarm code alread) 22.27.04 # webguest48: yes, probably 22.27.16 # ^already 22.27.22 # but only if there's good weather outside :) 22.27.26 # webguest48: yes, probably - you can already try but will only get audio.. 22.28.10 # thank you for responding, in the future do you think i will get video as well or would my c250 not be able to handle it 22.28.17 # linuxstb: thanks, do you know how they find those hex numbers? 22.29.10 # webguest48: I'm quite sure that it can handle it because the display is not very big, it just needs some more work on the lcd driver 22.30.24 # this is outstanding news 22.31.45 # but usual warnings apply: we can't tell when that'll happen 22.31.57 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 22.32.06 Quit billytwowilly (Remote closed the connection) 22.34.18 # i will probably install rockbox on my c250 as soon as the official manual comes out, i could wait for the video function that is pretty sick if they eventually do manage to come out with it 22.35.02 # rockbox is friggin awesome 22.35.27 # The c250 should play video very well, because of the low resolution LCD. 22.35.57 # if the video function were to come out, do you think it would be available over the next 6 months? 22.36.32 Join agm3nt [0] (i=agm3nt@nat.n3t.pl) 22.36.49 # webguest48: we don't estimate time frames. 22.37.26 # that's understandable 22.38.37 Join m4ffe [0] (n=anonymou@p5B042552.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.38.49 # linuxstb: seen this e200 bootloader thread => http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12762.0 ? 22.38.52 # i'll be monitoring this c200 rockbox situation closely, thanks for all the info :) 22.39.00 # clearly something has broken recently 22.39.02 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 22.39.35 Quit webguest48 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.41.30 # annoying 22.41.40 Part tomv 22.42.02 # Bagder: Yes, I've seen it... 22.42.05 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 22.45.17 # success! thanks linuxstb. 22.45.50 # I didn't know it was that simple to enable the alarm on the H300. 22.46.22 Join billytwowilly [0] (n=chris@CABLE-72-53-22-61.cia.com) 22.46.54 # I finally managed to write and read on the alarm, tomorrow I will try to finish it 22.48.23 Join bumper [0] (n=mick@cpe-72-177-68-127.austin.res.rr.com) 22.48.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.48.36 Part agm3nt 22.49.00 Quit nicktastic ("Leaving") 22.51.47 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@ppp-70-132-143-230.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 22.54.48 # XavierGr_: that's great news! does it need a bootloader update to work? 22.55.59 Quit HardDisk_WP ("Caught sigterm, terminating...") 22.57.14 Join HardDisk_WP [0] (n=Marco@velirat.de) 23.04.03 # Bagder: What's interesting is I tested the newest (or second newest? The one with the screen glitch fix) binary sansapatcher before it was released and it worked fine on my e200. 23.04.16 # hehe, doom on the c200 23.04.40 # Llorean: I suspect that there's differences between players or something 23.05.27 # Bagder: Seems likely. 23.05.50 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp65-28.adsl.forthnet.gr) 23.06.07 # wasn't that "screen melting" an issue in earlier development too (can't remember under what circumstances it occured but it was fixed by jhMikeS before, IIRC) 23.06.29 # I think the melting part is just it not being updated or similar 23.06.36 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@ip-89-103-17-41.karneval.cz) 23.06.44 # ie the code freezes/stops somewhere 23.07.00 # I think the screen melts during an OF boot anyway, while you sit and wait for it to decrypt 23.11.05 # maybe a stupid idea, could it be in any way related to the issue with some Nanos? Just throwing something into discussion without really knowing though... 23.11.18 # I don't think so 23.11.35 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 23.11.38 # The Sansa accesses it's flash like an SD card, doesn't it, rather than ATA? 23.11.40 # but I'm not really anyone to tell for sure 23.11.48 # yes 23.11.50 # I'm looking at FS#7774 and it adds a private function _gui_synclist_speak_item() and a public function gui_synclist_speak_item() to list.c any comments on such naming? 23.11.54 # it doesn't have ata at all 23.12.09 # So, assuming the Nano issue is ATA timing, it seems unlikely the Sandisk would be affected. But that's assuming we know what the Nano issue is. 23.13.12 Join fm2 [0] (i=d9b96776@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7e6c85a32436c744) 23.14.15 # How can I produce a string with the value of the current line number. There is a preprocessor macro __LINE__, but how to do it a string? 23.14.32 Join eigma [0] (n=cat@CABLE-206-188-76-21.cia.com) 23.17.21 # I tried this: "__LINE__" but it produces "__LINE__" 23.18.01 # fm2: you could printf("%s", __LINE__) 23.18.03 # fm2: can't you just snprintf() it into a buffer 23.18.32 Quit XavierGr_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.18.54 # And this: " ##__LINE__##". But doesn't work 23.19.18 # bluebrother, n1s: no, it should be a constant, it's used as an initializer for a const char* 23.19.28 Join elinenbe_ [0] (n=elinenbe@cpe-68-174-107-47.nyc.res.rr.com) 23.20.03 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.20.03 Nick elinenbe_ is now known as elinenbe (n=elinenbe@cpe-68-174-107-47.nyc.res.rr.com) 23.20.14 Join RogerBacon [0] (n=comput_c@bas3-sherbrooke40-1242416837.dsl.bell.ca) 23.21.02 # can someone please tell me if the creative zen :M what is the type of hard drive connection ? ZIF 40 pin ? 23.21.16 Quit Strath ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 23.21.17 Quit hcs ("Leaving.") 23.21.56 # RogerBacon: since it doesn't run rockbox, this isn't really a very good place to ask 23.21.57 Join Shpunt [0] (i=4a4400ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f8067744a5b5df5c) 23.22.09 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 23.22.37 Quit Shpunt (Client Quit) 23.23.45 # Bagder: are you also a master of preprocessor macros (see question above)? 23.24.11 # badger : i know, but some people are interresting in porting rockbox on this player 23.24.27 # I don't think you can do it really safely, # __LINE__ could work but I don't think ansi defines in what order they should work 23.24.43 # and the dissection have alerady been made, so i was presuming that someone was know the answer 23.24.46 # fm2: I would rethink and do it differently 23.25.10 # RogerBacon: I bet there are such people who knows, I'm just suggesting there aren't that many around here 23.25.12 # Bagder: if I use #__LINE__ I get the message that __LINE__ is not a macro argument. 23.25.33 # RogerBacon: If there's not a wiki page for the port, then you'll probably need to find the actual people. 23.25.48 # ah, right # is only for arguments 23.25.51 # linuxstb: It's not granted that the c200 will play video well 23.26.31 # While it does have a low resolution, sandisk hooked up the lcd controller to the PP's mon/greyscale lcd bridge, not the color lcd bridge 23.26.50 # Atm it doesn't play video at all because lcd_yuv_blit() is an empty function 23.27.55 # I wonder what framerate test_fps gives... 23.28.06 # why? Doom runs very smoothly.. ;D 23.28.48 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-239-21.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 23.28.56 # now, which is the silliest target to run doom on? is it the c200? ;-) 23.29.12 # RogerBacon: if you are talking about the zen vision m there's already a wiki page for it and that page states this " So far there have been two hard drives found in this device, a Toshiba MK3006GAL and the Hitachi C4k60 (pdf)-The Hitachi appears to be a zif connector while the Toshiba is an IDE" 23.29.32 # Bagder: The h1x0 is pretty silly too... 23.29.35 # Bagder: it's not that bad once you get past deciphering the menu... 23.31.24 Part fm2 23.34.27 Join donutman25 [0] (n=chatzill@65.75.87.48) 23.34.30 Join jzoch [0] (n=foo@nat-201-120.arlut.utexas.edu) 23.34.59 Quit Jon-Kha ("leaving") 23.35.25 # * n1s is trying out voice in the sim, :-) yay no more ploogins 23.37.15 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 23.37.47 Join Jon-Kha [0] (i=jon-kha@80-248-247-190.cust.suomicom.fi) 23.39.05 Quit m4ffe (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 23.39.44 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 23.40.25 # test_fps gives... 1/1: 13.5 fps, 1/4: 54.0 fps, CPU at 30000000 Hz 23.40.26 Quit Jon-Kha (Client Quit) 23.41.30 # * bluebrother started IdentifyPlayer -- please improve :) 23.42.41 # pixelma: that would need improvement for good video playback... 23.43.35 # at 80000000Hz... 1/1: 36.5 fps, 1/4: 143.5 fps 23.43.56 # dont most players' OFs use 15fps vid? 23.44.40 # iamben: if it takes all available cpu to push 36 fps to the lcd only about half is left for decoding video/audio at 15 fps 23.45.24 # gotcha 23.45.56 # Dudes, you're going to love this: http://thepiratebay.org/blog/86 23.46.34 # Dark_Apostrophe: that is more suited for #rockbox-community 23.46.45 # Sorry 23.46.49 # Funny never the less :) 23.47.09 # There are a few possibilities for optimisation in the driver (simpler lcd_wait_write() like the greyscale ipods, burst read from the framebuffer) 23.47.34 # is the c200 colored? 23.47.47 # Can anyone assist me with the database? On my player it hangs on "Committing [9/9]" I finally gave up and killed it. 23.48.00 # * amiconn wonders what framerate current svn yields on 4th gen grayscale ipod 23.48.11 # bluebrother: no mine is black... but it has a colour lcd ;) 23.49.04 # ok ;) 23.50.20 Join crackpanther [0] (i=4c6ff595@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7e75f0d24a149ca2) 23.50.31 # * bluebrother could have checked it the sim displays the logo colored or not 23.51.20 # or the player's drawings in the manual... 23.51.48 Quit crackpanther (Client Quit) 23.52.34 # Hmm. The pp must have a speed setting for that lcd bridge somewhere 23.53.06 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 23.56.53 # So I think I'm going to commit this FS#7774 patch in a few days if no one objects to it (or does it before me) it adds about 500 bytes to a rec build but some of the patches that depend on it seem to get rid of a lot of code in other places so maybe some of it can be reclaimed...