--- Log for 27.09.107 Server: anthony.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 4 days and 22 hours ago 00.00.19 # Bagder: any idea why the crosscompiled (linux->windows) binaries get so huge? Even if I remove -g from GCCOPTS, they still shrink considerably after running strip on them 00.01.06 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@70.53.159.158) 00.01.06 # Bagder: heh...another job for the rockbox courier? =P 00.01.49 # rasher: Define "huge" 00.02.04 # The sim binaries are huge in general due to the debug symbols 00.02.16 # I mean also when not crosscompiled 00.02.32 # rasher: maybe it's gcc's way of telling you that windows "suckz0rz" :-D ? 00.02.43 # gotta go 00.02.57 # I'll have to get back to you on the numbers. I just remember they shrink a few hundred percent when stripped (making them runnable in the sim) 00.04.58 # Some examples for windows binaries (compiled on cygwin): H300 rockboxui.exe ~2.3MB, doom.rock ~1.2MB 00.05.13 # And that runs? 00.05.24 # yup 00.05.36 # Odd 00.06.04 # amd64 linux binaries: H300 rockboxui ~2.5MB, doom.rock ~2.4MB 00.06.05 # lowlight: your magic doesn't work so well for me. it reboots but then hangs instead of going into OF USB 00.06.23 # So in fact the amd64 linux binaries are larger than the windows binaries... 00.07.01 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B15E6D.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.09.48 # just out of curiousity, is it so that rockbox can't act as a USB drive? so you have to use the original firmware for that? or is that only on certain players? 00.10.10 # it's only on the portalplayer targets. 00.10.18 # i.e. those without hardware USB mode. 00.10.22 # ah, ipods 00.10.26 # the other devices, USB works fine 00.10.27 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.10.30 # not just ipods 00.10.50 # PP targets include ipods, iriver h10, sansa 00.11.00 # ah, I didn't know that 00.12.38 Quit Rondom (No route to host) 00.12.43 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.13.51 # does gcc's -fprofile-arcs work for sim builds? 00.14.23 # tumu: don't think anyone tried it so there's only one way to dind out :-) 00.14.30 # :p 00.14.31 # s/dind/find 00.14.53 # as wiki only tells about some other way 00.15.26 # which seems to be complex 00.16.45 # amiconn: the windows sim when crosscompiled completely refuses to load .rocks or .codecs larger than some size, perhaps 512KiB, giving the error toffe82 said 00.17.09 # tumu: you mean profiling? that gives different information 00.18.08 # -fprofile-arcs records how man times each call and branch is executed, profiling records how much time is spent doing something 00.18.29 Quit ender` (" Be nice to the USA, or they'll bring you democracy.") 00.19.20 # yes 00.20.14 # darned RefreshDatabase waiting 00.20.26 # tumu: however running any of those on the sim would probably not yield very representative results of the behaviour on target 00.20.30 # if only I were smart enough to figure out the magic numbers to make it skip in my firmware 00.20.32 # rasher: I was not compiling the simulator, I was compiling rockbox, I thought I could take the resulting folder and use it with the windows sim 00.20.56 Quit muesli- ("ich will Kühe!!!") 00.21.15 # tumu: if you have a coldfire target there is support in rockbox for doing profiling on target 00.21.31 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 00.22.06 Quit nls () 00.22.13 # toffe82: oh well that's bound not to work.. I'm pretty sure that's not what happened for me though 00.25.00 # rasher: I guess there is problem with the cross linker then, as binaries compiled on cygwin do work 00.25.20 Join Isolinear [0] (n=A@c-76-105-254-119.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 00.26.41 # Hmm, iirc a crosscompiled sim made with my 'debbox' vmware image did work ... I should perhaps re-check 00.27.35 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 00.33.10 Quit Entasis (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.33.51 Quit obo ("bye") 00.34.07 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.34.43 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 00.37.05 Join ToHellWithGA [0] (n=ryan@d18-50.rt2-bras.clm.centurytel.net) 00.37.50 # hmm. Just downloaded the current recorderv2 firmware from the archos site and it shows the version id 8? 00.38.09 # according to scramble.c this should be 2. Strange. 00.39.33 # is the as3514 (sansa) datasheet available? I am curious what it would take to add headphone detection, which is on the bullet list http://www.amsint.com/03products/products_detail/AS3514/features_AS3514.htm 00.39.40 # could somebody help me understand the difference between current builds and daily builds? rockbox-info.txt in both is the same date 00.39.43 # ok, time to go 00.39.47 # later people 00.39.50 Quit TMM ("Ex-Chat") 00.40.08 # I see others have had this on their minds before (eg http://www.rockbox.org/irc/reader.pl?date=20070710) but I haven't found an answer yet 00.40.39 # ToHellWithGA: A daily build is built from SVN at a fixed time each day (around 6AM GMT I think), the current builds are built every time SVN changes. 00.40.42 # ToHellWithGA: daily (or archived) builds are created once per day 00.40.51 # * bluebrother too slow 00.41.35 # so daily is, with the exception of right at that 6am build, generally older than current 00.43.19 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 00.43.25 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 00.47.43 Quit bluebrother ("continuing tomorrow") 00.48.02 Quit kubrick ("leaving") 00.49.26 Quit nico__ ("This computer has gone to sleep") 00.50.01 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@bas3-montreal28-1177919390.dsl.bell.ca) 00.51.34 Quit kubiix ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 00.53.18 Join iamben [0] (n=ben@dpc67142179038.direcpc.com) 00.54.45 Quit moos ("Glory to Rockbox") 00.55.55 # euh 00.56.07 Join RudMan [0] (n=RudMan@ool-182fb504.dyn.optonline.net) 00.56.46 # bluebrother: (for the log) The "recorder v2" firmware on the archos site is a wrong link. It's in fact the Ondio FM v1.32b firmware. 00.56.56 Quit Isolinear (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.56.59 # It's not the only linking problem on that site :/ 00.57.23 Quit scorche|work ("CGI:IRC") 01.02.31 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 01.08.31 Quit RudMan (Remote closed the connection) 01.09.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.12.18 # jepler: some rockbox devs got the datasheet under NDA 01.12.44 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 01.13.07 Quit merbanan (Remote closed the connection) 01.13.11 Quit ptw419 () 01.13.37 Part toffe82 01.14.01 Join bistouri [0] (i=58a10615@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0f0b28efb3cf61ea) 01.14.58 # Hi, could Sansa users have a look at my logo and give me an opinion ? thanks 01.15.00 # http://dormrf.free.fr/forum/img/TSAAS.png 01.16.16 # bistouri: french ? 01.16.38 # si senor 01.16.46 # * Nico_P too 01.17.07 # nice to see some french people interested in rockbox 01.17.08 Join BigMac [0] (n=mike@c-71-234-95-131.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) 01.17.30 # i love it 01.17.37 # bistouri: anyway, I'm not a sansa owner, but I quite like it... I just think the reflection may be a bit large 01.18.31 # or maybe it has too much weight compared to the normal text, but I think it hurts readability a bit 01.19.23 # was never embarrassed with its weight 01.19.24 # * petur wrote a roundup article on GSoC 2007 to be posted on the Google ML. Please correct any mistakes I made... 01.19.27 # and maybe there should be a space before and after the sansa... it looks a bit tight between the two texts 01.19.51 # i use my sansa for rollers , run and more, quite usabe 01.20.38 # bistouri: I was speaking about the weight of the reflection... maybe not the best choice of words 01.20.52 # Nico_P: ok lol 01.21.56 # petur: nice report 01.22.03 # i added a anti reflection for 10€ and it offers a good protection 01.22.07 # * Nico_P has one to write for his school 01.22.16 # do check that I got everything right 01.23.05 # looks like you did 01.23.25 Join rich0 [0] (n=rich@gentoo/contributor/rich0) 01.26.10 # For next google coding sessions, don't forget to add "port SBaGen to Rockbox" :) 01.26.20 # ^^ 01.27.07 # petur: maybe the current SummerOfCode wiki page should be renamed to SummerOfCode2007 and a new one created for 2008 ? 01.27.20 # yups ;) 01.28.58 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@89-125-27-183.dhcp-ripwave.irishbroadband.ie) 01.29.34 Join Bam2550 [0] (i=bam2550@c-69-249-243-110.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 01.30.26 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 01.30.44 # So im not aloud to ask how to play Pokemon Blue/yellow with RockBox 01.30.45 # hmm apparently I can't rename so I think I'll leave doing that to someone with more powers :) 01.33.03 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 01.33.50 # well if you can't than I will not be able too... maybe copy the text to another page and change that one ;) 01.34.09 # Bam2550: You are not allowed, in this channel or on the forums, to discuss any method of obtaining said ROMs - as dumping the hardware cartridge is not a Rockbox issue. You are not allowed, in this channel or on the forums, to discuss gameplay or strategy - as that is a Nintendo fan forum type of question. You ARE allowed to ask about the procedure for using them - ASSUMING you have read the manual - which tells you how do to so, if you have a specific 01.34.09 # question regarding somewhere you feel the manual is lacking we greatly welcome it. But a "I'm too lazy to read the manual - you guys are faster" type of question will not be answered, and repeated ones of that sort will not be tolerated. 01.34.47 # macro! 01.34.54 # Thanks Soa[ 01.34.57 # petur: I think I'll just edit the page and leave it for someone to rename 01.34.57 # Soap 01.35.42 # petur: and I'll start a SummerOfCode2008 page 01.35.54 # \o/ 01.36.48 # Is it a real place to suggest functions or my demand is too specific ? 01.37.02 # concerning SummerOfCode2008 page 01.37.11 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 01.37.42 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 01.37.49 # it's a wiki... you add, we can delete if we do not like it :p 01.38.20 Quit Bam2550 () 01.40.11 # petur: ure a legal defacer ^^ 01.42.07 Join saratoga [0] (i=41becb3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5e1202f09fc7eaf0) 01.43.44 Join advcomp2019 [0] (n=advcomp2@66.172.231.192) 01.44.02 Quit barrywardell () 01.45.37 Quit linuxstb_ ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.7/2007091417]") 01.45.55 # Nico_P: are you still editing that wiki page? 01.45.59 Part rich0 ("Time makes no sense") 01.46.00 # which ? 01.46.07 # SummerOfCode 01.46.10 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c58-109-97-210.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au) 01.46.10 # yes 01.46.22 # ah, I had some text prepared for it 01.46.43 # petur: I've savec but maybe i'll do a few more changes 01.46.47 # *saved 01.48.06 Join Isolinear [0] (n=A@c-76-105-254-119.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 01.48.26 # did you change much? I want to replace it with a short version that points to 2007 and 2008 (the original SummerOfCode is now in SummerOfCode2007) 01.49.15 # clicking on the SummerOfCode2007 link I added and seeing a similar page puzzled me a lot :) 01.49.31 # I didn't change too much, see the history 01.49.59 # yups... switch is complete.... 01.50.21 # yes, it's better that way 01.50.40 # I'll redo my changes... the aim was to try to show what we students chose from 01.51.00 # ok, sorry for the double work 01.51.21 # don't worry, it wasn't much ;) 01.51.31 # * petur switches his main cpu to sleep mode 01.51.38 Quit petur ("Zzzzz") 01.52.10 Join RudMan [0] (n=RudMan@ool-182fb504.dyn.optonline.net) 01.53.20 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 01.53.26 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 01.57.17 Quit Jon-Kha (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.58.31 Join Caliban [0] (n=ianmacd@212.178.35.29) 01.59.12 Part bistouri 01.59.34 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@cpe-70-113-103-34.austin.res.rr.com) 02.00.18 Part pixelma 02.01.55 Quit ThUnD3r|Gr33n (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.02.17 Join ThUnD3r|Gr33n [0] (n=ThUnD3r_@p5B23E7CC.dip.t-dialin.net) 02.02.48 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 02.02.49 Join Jon-Kha [0] (i=jon-kha@80-248-247-190.cust.suomicom.fi) 02.03.40 # So is there any difference in charging the iPod 5G in Rockbox vs. charging it in the OF? 02.03.59 # yes 02.04.33 # OF more efficient? 02.05.03 # it can get more power off of USB 02.05.41 # When plugged into a computer or wall charger? 02.05.45 # Or does it even matter? 02.06.05 # both i think 02.14.27 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 02.17.44 Join Bam2550 [0] (i=bam2550@c-69-249-243-110.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 02.18.34 # Hey, i was looking through the Ipod Nano manual on how to put rom games on. But i couldn't find instructions. =\ Can someone point me in the right direction? Sorry for being such a newb. 02.18.37 Quit hcs (Remote closed the connection) 02.18.51 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 02.19.16 # Bam2550: put them in a directory. that's it. 02.19.50 # I heard that the extension has to be like .gb instead of .gba? is this true? 02.20.08 # .gba are gameboy advance games, presumably. those won't work. 02.20.27 # but someone said if i change it from .gba to .gb it will be fine 02.20.32 # someone lied. 02.20.45 # eh im going to try it, cant hurt right? 02.20.49 # it won't work. 02.21.06 # Will it hurt my ipod if it doesn't? 02.21.08 # why try it if you know it wont work? 02.21.17 # it won't hurt it, but why bother? 02.21.25 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 02.21.31 # you can't magically make a gameboy advance game a gameboy game by changing the extension 02.21.46 # you can't burn an n64 ROM to a CD and play it on a playstation, can you? 02.22.17 # krazykit: it's a logical deduction.. gameboy games were compatible with the advance. 02.22.39 # Bam2550: why not just rename your Ipod into a Gameboy? 02.22.45 # maxkelley: no it isnt because advance werent compatible on a gamboy 02.22.47 # seems easier 02.23.36 # scorche: true, but we still don't have to harass someone because they had an idea. 02.23.42 # maxkelley: A logical deduction that's horribly faulty. DOS programs ran under windows, but I'd like to see you make Quake 4 run in DOS. 02.23.43 # er why is it asking "you g: isnt formatted, would you like to format now?" Sounds bad o.0 02.23.50 # maxkelley: i dont see anyone harrassing anyone else 02.24.11 # Llorean: ok, ok.. 02.24.15 # scorche: ? 02.24.40 # maxkelley: where is anyone harrassing another person? 02.25.22 # Blargh, never mind, i can't connect my iPod to my computer. 02.25.22 # maxkelley: Also, while I'm here, I'd like you to be more careful giving advice. Like that time you said "just replacing the MI4 is probably enough." Please don't suggest things unless you *know* what you're talking about, spreading misinformation in the official channel just makes life harder for all of us. 02.25.45 # (and is against the guidelines) 02.26.13 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.26.14 # if you're truly so concerned about it, why isn't the channel +m? 02.26.26 # Because we expect people to be mature and rational about things. 02.26.46 Join mokkurkalve [0] (n=eivind@084202221043.customer.alfanett.no) 02.26.48 # Anyone can read the manual and learn the update process before telling people how to do it. 02.27.25 # I'm sorry, but I feel Bam2550's frustration and confusion, because it seems like every time I've come asking for help, I've gotten a dry, general response, or not one at all. 02.27.48 # maxkelley: He was told, specifically, that they will not work. How is that a "general" response? It's correct, and accurate? 02.28.30 # It was correct, that's true. 02.28.33 # What about it is "confusing" except for the fact that he refused to accept that he was being told the truth? 02.29.10 Quit hcs (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.29.11 Join hc1 [0] (n=agashlin@wg-208-hill012.rutgers.edu) 02.29.17 # it wasn't confused, but it would have been nice to give an explanation, instead of " it just won't work." 02.29.17 # Because the person who responded to him actually told him something factually correct, rather than a guess. 02.29.46 # maxkelley: It's a gameboy emulator. He was told "gba games are gameboy advance games". What exactly needs to be added to this? 02.29.56 # he didn't need to know why, just that it doesn't work 02.30.06 Quit kfazz ("Leaving") 02.30.07 # If he asked "Why not?" then he surely would've been told more. 02.30.12 # alright, I'm sorry for turning it into a debate. 02.30.20 # But people tend to feel your patronizing if you sit and explain every detail to them. 02.30.26 # you're, rather 02.30.56 # So, to sum things up: Give concise answers that are factually correct, expect concise answers that are factually correct, and we'll all get along fine. 02.32.37 Join kenguest [0] (n=radagast@bump.project-bob.org) 02.33.54 # hi - is there some equivalent to ctrl-alt-del in rockbox to make my iriver turn off? accidentally opened a .wmv file and now my player is hanging/crashed. 02.34.06 # reset button? 02.34.22 Part mokkurkalve 02.34.40 # unfortunately I don't have any paperclips to hand! 02.35.27 # if the battery is removable, try that. 02.36.52 Quit jrsharp (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.38.31 # w00t i fixed it 02.38.37 # Time to put my music back on 02.40.55 # heh. just tried the tip of a corkscrew. fixed it! 02.40.58 Quit ToHellWithGA (Nick collision from services.) 02.41.06 Join ToHellWithGA [0] (n=ryan@d7-56.rb2.clm.centurytel.net) 02.48.30 Join komik [0] (i=komik@ool-457129c2.dyn.optonline.net) 02.48.43 # Hi. 02.49.24 # kenguest: do be careful with stuff like that, it'd be lame to break a chunk of plastic off your player like that 02.49.42 # I just put rockbox onto my 5G ipod video. I put an avi and ogg onto it and the file isnt listed when I look for it to play it. 02.49.58 # Anyway to fix that? 02.50.10 # i suggest reading the manual and the wiki, specifically about mpegplayer 02.50.28 # avi isn't supported, and "ogg" doesn't tell us anything about that particular file. 02.50.42 # is the "ogg" an ogg vorbis file? ogg/theora? 02.50.44 # Good point. 02.50.50 # theora 02.51.14 # you'll have to transcode that to mpeg2. the wiki tells you how to do that. 02.51.34 # krazykit: very careful 02.53.19 # krazykit: Thanks. 02.53.55 Quit hc1 ("Leaving.") 02.54.03 Part komik 02.54.29 Join RaZorbacK [0] (n=BOFHIRC@gar31-1-82-66-75-34.fbx.proxad.net) 02.58.31 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-71-132-86-193.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) 03.00.46 # amiconn: you are right, the debbox image with the sim crosscompiled for windows works wonders 03.00.57 # no bugs or issues at all when running the sim from windows 03.01.00 # Is it possible to make an off switch on your ipod with rockbox? 03.01.49 # Bam2550: what is wrong with holding play? 03.02.29 # Takes to long, and sometimes it just stops the song so im there in the middle of French Class trying to turn it off while Madame Frenchie walks by 03.02.57 # and what button would you rather we change to off? 03.03.17 # Well in the normal ipod firmware there is an option on the main screen where you can click it and it goes off. 03.04.17 # i cant see going into the menu, scrolling over to the option, and clicking it being faster than just holding a button 03.04.29 # or more discreet 03.04.44 # indeed...you would ahve to look at the device while doing that 03.05.10 # Thanks for answering my question? 03.05.15 # Oh wait nope. 03.05.34 Part kenguest 03.05.42 # Bam2550: you're more than welcome to code up that option. 03.05.56 # Well i was just wondering if there was or not. 03.06.06 # I guess that one guy was right... 03.06.27 # Bam2550: i asked those questions to see if there really is something wrong with how it is currently set up and if it would benefit all users if we changed it 03.06.39 # was right about what? 03.06.56 # Bam2550: the answer to your first question is "yes it's possible" but you'd have to code it. 03.07.06 # Hmm, time to learn to code? 03.07.18 # What language is it in? 03.07.23 # C 03.07.37 # Awesome 03.07.46 # I know a little bit of C++ o.0 03.08.13 # it would be a simple change, but you would have to replace something with it...i dont knwo what you would replace 03.09.12 # It doesn't sound very difficult, but it probably really isn't that easy. 03.09.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.09.21 Join velixzeen [0] (n=velixzee@216.36.141.104) 03.09.38 # the hard part would be finding something to replace 03.09.42 # Bam2550: to simply change keymap, it's fairly easy. adding the menu option would be more work, but still certainly doable. 03.09.46 Join webguest71 [0] (i=c87afba8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b66ce23034d3eb4a) 03.10.01 # hi everybody 03.10.04 # Is there a suggestion area>? 03.10.16 # then there is the menu option, which i still think would be slower, and you would have to be looking at the screen 03.10.18 # i have a question 03.10.27 # i have a mp4 03.10.40 # with chip actions 2091n 03.10.45 # Bam2550: feature request section int he tracker 03.10.47 # Bam2550: The idea of a "Shutdown" menu option has been discussed many times already, there's not much point in filing a feature request. 03.10.48 Quit Jon-Kha (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.10.55 Join Jon-Kha [0] (i=jon-kha@80-248-247-190.cust.suomicom.fi) 03.10.58 # Okay 03.11.02 # there are posibilities in the future use 03.11.11 # the rockbox fw?? 03.11.28 # webguest71: are you asking if rockbox could be ported to your device? 03.11.37 # yes 03.12.04 # my device is a mp4 chip actions 2091N 03.12.10 # ports arent requested...they are done by people who have the time, capability, and the device itself to do them 03.12.35 # see the wiki page NewPort for more information 03.12.44 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.12.58 # scorche what divice do youi have??? 03.13.03 # i have a few 03.13.04 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF554E.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.13.38 # then??? 03.14.00 # hrm? 03.14.06 Quit webguest71 (Client Quit) 03.14.41 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.15.02 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF554E.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.16.18 # Meh, now i have to put RockBox back on my ipod... *cries* 03.16.22 Join sin613 [0] (n=pbarton@dsl-134-129-144-51.und.nodak.edu) 03.18.31 Join chrisjs169|winxp [0] (n=opera@pool-71-114-128-205.hrbgpa.dsl-w.verizon.net) 03.18.58 Join jrsharp [0] (n=jrsharp@c-71-228-234-243.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) 03.20.56 # is anyone aware if cpu_boost() affects coldfire targets? or is it necessary to use set_cpu_frequency()? 03.23.26 # wewt 03.23.35 # only took 3 minutes to get RockBocx 03.24.56 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.25.04 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.26.14 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 03.26.25 # How do i remove all those extra themes from my ipod? 03.26.36 # Dumb question, nvm 03.28.39 # What will happen if i move all those CFG files in my \.rockbox\themes into \.rockbox\themes\randomCFGfiles 03.28.53 # why do you want to do that? 03.29.02 # they are a part of the theme 03.29.20 Part hcs 03.29.21 # Well, when i select a theme, they are always there in my way 03.29.28 # (i'm going to be adding like 5 themes) 03.29.41 # there is a browse themes option... 03.29.48 # Bam2550: Might I refer you to section 8.3.4 of the manual. Please read it - and let us discuss any part of it you don't understand. 03.29.49 # you can just delete them if you don't want them 03.30.36 # Soap, rockboy? 03.31.02 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 03.31.14 # Soap: 8.3.4 is RockBoy 03.32.03 # Bam2550: 7.5 03.32.14 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 03.33.03 # scorche, thank you. But that still doesn't answer my question. 03.33.21 # Bam2550: it solves your problem 03.33.47 # No it really didnt 03.34.24 # your problem was "they are always in my way"...i showed you the easiest way to change themes without all of the files "getting in your way" 03.34.30 # I am sorry about that Bam2550, my screen - I kid you not - was stuck on one of the many questions you have asked tonight which are addessed in the most wonderful book which is the Rockbox manual. I know I pointed you at the wrong one, but I think I could randomly pick three numbers - and put them together (4.5.6) and it would be a section of the manual you have asked questions about recently. 03.35.20 # (lets ignore Soap's rant and just say to please read the manual before asking any other questions :) 03.35.54 # Well i still can't find my answer o.0... 03.36.16 # why do you need the answer, when the problem is solved? 03.36.52 # How is it solved? I want to remove those CFG files, i was just wondering if it would make the Rockbox stop working 03.37.01 # your problem was "they are always in my way"...i showed you the easiest way to change themes without all of the files "getting in your way" 03.37.31 # Yes, you said go to the View settings area... where those files are 03.37.37 # view themes* 03.42.45 Quit Bam2550 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.44.03 Join Bam2550 [0] (i=bam2550@c-69-249-243-110.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 03.45.09 # I'm sorry about that, but i have a hijacker on my computer, and it cuts off my internet or something... 03.45.21 Join Avarice [0] (i=4ccd7995@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-039b32db03b1a484) 03.45.31 # Also i fixed the problem, but thanks. 03.46.23 Join atc200es-away [0] (n=Delorean@70-101-164-164.dsl2.mon.ny.frontiernet.net) 03.46.42 # can anyone help me with my sansa 270 when i try to load the utility it says there is no sansa present 03.47.03 # quick question, where can i find the bootloader for the h10 20gb on the rockbox xite, i havent used rockbox in forever and the site has chaged soo much 03.47.24 # atc200es-away: manual? 03.47.42 # ? no just the .mi4 file 03.47.45 # "You know how dumb the average person is? Well, by definition, half of 'em are even dumber than THAT." 03.47.55 # Avarice: it's a sansa e270, not an R? are you talking about rbutilqt? 03.47.59 # atc200es-away: everything you need is int he manual 03.48.08 # oh ok thanx 03.48.46 # its not an r as far as i know it just show e270 under my comp when its hooked up 03.49.05 # Avarice: well, does the original firmware have Rhapsody channels? 03.50.10 # there are no menus for it but the option for rhapsody is on the install disc 03.50.19 Quit atc200es-away (Client Quit) 03.50.21 # does that mean i have the r? 03.51.25 # if there are no menus for it, it's probably non-r 03.51.52 # Avarice: did you put the player in MSC mode? 03.52.05 # no? 03.52.15 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 03.52.23 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 03.52.25 # didnt see that in the installation instructions 03.52.56 # did it now 03.53.04 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B1710F.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.53.45 # i see it now 03.54.15 # on the utility i think i got it from here ill stay in chat if i run into a prob but i think i can move forward now 03.54.19 # thank you 04.01.38 Quit HellDragon (Client Quit) 04.01.50 Join HellDragon [0] (i=jd@unaffiliated/helldragon) 04.06.26 Quit Lambchops (Remote closed the connection) 04.08.03 Join Gibbed [0] (i=rick@pool-96-229-77-230.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 04.08.05 Quit Rick (Nick collision from services.) 04.08.21 Nick Gibbed is now known as Rick (i=rick@pool-96-229-77-230.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 04.11.30 Quit chrisjs169 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.16.10 # can you bounce back and forth between the sansa firmware and roxbox firmware 04.17.33 # yes, dual boot is supported Avarice. 04.17.42 Join sarixe [0] (n=sarixe@ool-435403e9.dyn.optonline.net) 04.23.30 # soap could you tell me how to bounce back and forth or where i might get the info 04.24.57 # and no that i have rockbox on my sansa i cant find that MSC mode and the installer for themes and mods cant find the player 04.25.18 # you need to be in the original firmware to do USB transfers. 04.26.29 # ok how do i get back to the original firmware 04.26.41 # sorry im a uber newb 04.26.43 # lol 04.26.48 Join Gibbed [0] (i=rick@pool-96-229-77-230.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 04.26.52 Quit Rick (Nick collision from services.) 04.26.58 # turn off your player, then turn it back on and hold the "back" button 04.27.08 # the |<< one 04.27.08 Nick Gibbed is now known as Rick (i=rick@pool-96-229-77-230.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 04.27.29 # or just plug it in while it's off. that works too. 04.28.19 # and a regular reboot takes me back to rockbox 04.28.31 # it worked by the way ty 04.29.41 # i also notice that my music files dont appear in the rockbox mode any ideas on that? 04.30.11 # Avarice, what are you using again? 04.30.16 # What mp3. 04.30.49 # sansa e270 04.30.52 # oh 04.30.55 # o 04.30.55 # never mind. 04.31.30 # have you ever had that problem of audio files not appearing on the rockbox side 04.31.59 # Avarice: if you're putting them in the Music folder, keep in mind that it's a hidden folder, and the OF makes it hidden every time you boot into it. either use rockbox's database or put your music in a different folder 04.32.45 # so anything other then the music folder and it will be on both sides? 04.33.09 # i would like to keep bounceing back and forth till i get use to roxbox. 04.34.27 # the OF should see stuff in different folders 04.34.54 # OF= original firmare? 04.35.01 # firmware 04.35.18 Join Gibbed [0] (i=rick@pool-96-229-77-230.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 04.35.22 Quit Rick (Nick collision from services.) 04.35.38 Nick Gibbed is now known as Rick (i=rick@pool-96-229-77-230.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 04.36.10 # right, original firmware 04.45.39 # so what do you think is the best benefit of rockbox 04.49.32 # fore ipod nano 1st generation, its the ability to play videos. 04.49.49 # And all the super cool games you can play. (including ROMs, but i dont think we are aloud to talk about that) 04.50.19 # Avarice: decide for yourself: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox 04.54.24 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.54.31 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF6113.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.56.36 # again let me thank everyone that helped me i was overwhelmed when i walked in here and now i got a grip on what rockbox is and look forward to playing with the features 04.56.59 # goodnight all 04.58.46 Quit Avarice ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 04.58.47 Quit jrsharp (Client Quit) 04.58.52 Join Klevi [0] (n=Owner@ool-435682a7.dyn.optonline.net) 05.00.01 # Can I have backdrop help? 05.02.39 # Kevi: What's the issue? 05.02.54 # Klevi, even 05.03.13 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 05.03.20 # I put a bmp scaled properly for my sansa and nothing comes up while loading 05.03.41 # While loading what? 05.03.42 # after opening it in the file browser and trying to manually set it, it fails too 05.03.54 # Oh. the backdrop image 05.04.02 # How does it fail, does it say something? Or does it just not work? 05.04.21 # says Backdrop failed 05.05.29 # Hrm, that's a helpful message... Can you show me the bitmap you're trying to load 05.06.13 # Yeah... DCC? 05.06.19 # Sure 05.06.22 # mmk 05.08.05 # Seems the DCC failed too... 05.08.15 # h/o 05.08.16 # now try 05.09.15 # your not getting an accept this box? 05.09.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.09.29 # I am, it's just saying it fails as soon as I accept 05.09.36 # huh. 05.09.43 # just put it on imageshack.us or something. 05.09.46 # Ill photobucket it 05.10.22 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=Mouser_X@67.110.120.36.ptr.us.xo.net) 05.11.19 # ---> http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l15/Chiro-Aidac/Moonlight.jpg 05.11.22 # I'm trying to figure out how to compile Rockbox, so that I can add some patches. While cygwin was downloading the SVN, my laptop crashed. How do I check to make sure I have the whole thing, or how do I "renew" or redownload it> 05.11.23 # ? 05.11.50 # Klevi: Well, for starters, it needs to be 176x220 resolution 05.12.06 # for the sansa c200? 05.12.10 # I tried "svn cleanup rockbox" and it did stuff, then I redid the SVN command thing, and it's telling me that files already exist. 05.12.12 # Oh, sorry, misread 05.12.13 # Not acc. to the manual for it 05.12.20 # ah s'ok. 05.12.27 # I cant get it to size perfectly 05.12.40 # does it make all the difference? 05.12.44 # Mouser_X: you could svn update 05.13.05 # Klevi: Yes, it must be 1:1 to the screen resolution 05.13.36 # Ah. I didn't get that far in http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling 05.13.39 Join sdoyon [0] (n=steph@modemcable193.152-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) 05.13.40 # and something unrelatd I just remembered, Rockboy, the GBC emulator for rockbox is intergrated into rockbox now? 05.13.42 # Sorry, I see it now. 05.13.59 # Mouser_X: if it doesn't take care of it, rm the rockbox folder and just checkout again. 05.14.22 # Klevi: Yes, has been for quite sometime (at least, it's been on my Gigabeat since January.) 05.14.55 # aliask, any good suggestions for resizing programs? 05.14.57 # what's the deal with viewports? 05.15.02 # Im about to try ussing Gimp 05.15.08 # Gimp is good 05.15.18 # gimp has good algos for resizing 05.16.07 Quit bb (Nick collision from services.) 05.16.12 Join bb_ [0] (n=bb@unaffiliated/bb) 05.16.59 # cd.. isn't backing out of the rockbox folder... 05.17.08 # You need a space in there 05.17.12 # "cd .." 05.17.15 # Ah... 05.17.25 # I have an interesting feature to add to Rockbox... a choice menu whether to load the original firmware, or Rockbox? 05.17.26 # I'm used to DOS (at least, for that.) 05.17.39 # DOS uses cp? 05.17.49 # cd 05.17.52 # cd.. 05.17.53 # well, you could hack cd.. to be an alias for cd .. 05.17.56 # er/.. yeah 05.18.01 Quit Rick (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.18.05 # Sorry 05.18.18 Quit Klevi (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.18.22 # As long as I've ever used it, cd.. has worked. 05.18.35 Join Rick [0] (i=rick@pool-96-229-77-230.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 05.18.48 Join Klevi [0] (n=Owner@ool-435682a7.dyn.optonline.net) 05.18.54 # Xchat died 05.18.57 # Sorry. 05.19.23 # "rm: cannot remove 'rockbox': Is a directory. 05.19.25 # " 05.19.47 # rm -r to recursively delete a directory 05.19.52 # (svn update gave me the same error as attempting to redownload/checkout did.) 05.19.56 # Ah. 05.21.57 # aliask, to check the sansac200's res. is 130x80 05.22.14 # 132x80 iirc 05.22.19 Quit Rick (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.22.25 # My memory was close 05.22.29 # ^.^ 05.22.34 # thanks 05.22.38 # How do I do "yes to all"? It keeps asking me for every single thing... 05.23.07 # rm -rf 05.23.08 Join Rick [0] (i=rick@pool-96-229-77-230.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 05.23.15 # Careful where you point that though, I suppose 05.23.45 # * aliask has accidentally done rm -rf / as root 05.23.56 # Well, I'm on my laptop. There's nothing on here that's all *that* important. 05.24.07 # (I've got all of it somewhere else.) 05.24.15 # Good good 05.24.20 # Thanks for the heads up though. 05.25.26 # Any idea when / if th Micro SD slot will be supported? 05.25.32 # the** 05.25.51 # Shouldn't be too long really, but it's impossible to put a date on it 05.26.36 # Well the backdrop still doesnt work 05.26.48 # Dimensions are right on this time 05.27.30 # A question about mp3_play_stop() and voice_stop() in playback.c: The pcmbuf_play_stop() at the end of voice_stop() would be useful to cut down on stuttering when shutting up the voice if it were in mp3_play_stop()... 05.27.33 Quit Xerion (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.28.48 # How is the MoB going? As I recall, getting that implemented would help with support for small filetypes (NSF, MOD, SID, SPC, ect). 05.30.03 # Klevi: Try putting the bmp file in /.rockbox/backdrops and setting it from there (you'll need to set the view file types setting to all to see .rockbox) 05.32.09 # actauly i tried it automatically and it didnt work 05.32.13 # but manually it just did 05.32.33 # I do know about putting it in Backdrops though already 05.32.34 # thanks 05.32.40 # =) 05.32.44 Quit sarixe ("Peace") 05.33.04 # So you got it working? 05.34.34 # INdeed 05.34.49 # Wait 05.35.05 # Where is "view file types" located in rockbox 05.35.27 # I use windoes so the folder doesnt get hidden by a dot in front of the name 05.35.48 # Hold select on the "browse files" option in the main menu 05.36.04 # I was referring to the rockbox setting 05.36.09 Quit sitwon ("Leaving") 05.40.01 # thanks 05.40.07 # * Klevi tries that 05.40.32 Join stevenm [0] (n=stevenm@infranelson.student.umd.edu) 05.44.04 # I dnt have that menu 05.44.07 # *dont 05.44.46 # The main menu? 05.44.57 # no 05.45.02 # Browse files 05.45.03 # I just push and hold the menu button. 05.45.26 # Is it just called "files"? 05.45.29 Quit sdoyon ("ircII EPIC4-2.4 -- Are we there yet?") 05.45.30 # yah 05.45.37 # Well, that then. 05.45.45 # * aliask 's memory is quite rusty 05.46.12 # lol 05.46.17 # even there i dont have that menu 05.46.36 # *option* 05.49.05 Join Xerion [0] (i=xerion@cp198589-d.landg1.lb.home.nl) 05.49.23 Quit Klevi ("Leaving") 05.49.40 Join Gibbed [0] (i=rick@pool-96-229-77-230.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 05.49.44 Quit Rick (Nick collision from services.) 05.50.00 Nick Gibbed is now known as Rick (i=rick@pool-96-229-77-230.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 05.56.27 Quit Isolinear (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.59.57 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@bas3-montreal28-1177919390.dsl.bell.ca) 06.00.32 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.07.57 Part velixzeen 06.08.49 Quit BigMac ("Konversation terminated!") 06.09.03 Quit miepchen^schlaf ("Verlassend") 06.11.07 Quit Rick (Connection timed out) 06.25.50 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 06.26.16 # I've managed to load a rockbox.gigabeat file (i think), but it's just making the screen go black straight away (backlight stays on). Anyone got any ideas on what I should do? How can I debug? 06.31.23 Quit iamben (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.31.30 Join iamben [0] (n=ben@dpc67142179038.direcpc.com) 06.33.07 # just downloaded latest source package and having an error on build, wanted to stop by here before bugging it in case anyone ran into this...it's for ipod video 06.33.17 # LD doom.elf 06.33.17 # OBJCOPY doom.rock 06.33.17 # make[1]: *** [rocks] Error 2 06.33.17 DBUG Enqueued KICK Nimdae 06.33.17 # make: *** [build] Error 2 06.33.52 Join Gibbed [0] (i=rick@pool-96-229-77-230.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 06.33.52 # Nimdae: that is why we have http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi 06.34.14 # so you can see if the build server has the same problems...if it doesnt, it is likely on your end 06.35.04 # ah 06.35.05 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 06.35.05 # * Nimdae looks 06.35.17 # oh that page 06.35.43 # well, i hadn't run into problems in the past, has the build environment requirements changed? 06.36.15 # not recently 06.36.22 # make clean? 06.37.00 # this is from a clean extract 06.37.11 # looks like i tracked it down to midi, no makefile 06.37.18 # MAKE in midi 06.37.18 # make[3]: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. 06.37.18 # make[2]: *** [midi] Error 2 06.37.40 # svn revert -R 06.37.41 # ? 06.37.42 # seen some activity in midi on svn so this seems like the likely culprit 06.37.47 Quit Gibbed (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.37.54 Join Rick [0] (i=rick@pool-96-229-77-230.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 06.38.09 # i got the source tarball, not a svn download 06.38.48 # well, it still has to be /something/ on your end, as the build servers didnt have any issue with it.. 06.39.20 # Sounds like there are some files missing from the FILES file 06.40.59 # heh, i don't have subversion installed >.> 06.41.00 # * Nimdae gets 06.41.22 # Nimdae, sorry.. looks like I broke it 06.41.44 # ah ok 06.41.57 # thought it was OK since nothing went red.. but I guess the build never made it up there 06.42.07 # i meant to stop by and say something earlier, but i was at work when i first had this problem 06.42.27 # stevenm: I think you're supposed to comment stuff out in the SUBDIRS file with C++ style comments, not a # 06.42.46 # aliask, aah, alright 06.43.13 # Nimdae: well, thanks... (this is why i say likely)...one of the few times it wasnt the reporter =) 06.43.24 # Not sure if that's the cause of the problem though... 06.43.26 # heh 06.43.56 # But no makefile? Did I accidentally wipe it out? 06.44.24 # doesn't the FILES file dictate what makes it in the tarball? 06.44.40 # That's my understanding, Nimdae 06.45.13 # yeah, if my understanding is correct, the makefile may be in svn and may be grabbed with a svn checkout, but not in the tarball 06.45.42 # Aah.. I think I see what happened. I never touched FILES, but I didn't make that Makefile, either 06.45.56 # I can fix it real fast though 06.46.00 # cool 06.46.55 # done 06.47.26 # thank you, sire 06.47.30 # *sir 06.47.30 # no problem 06.47.34 # i'm going medieval now 06.48.16 Quit idnar (Nick collision from services.) 06.48.18 Join idnar_ [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 06.49.08 # stevenm: you mentioned a missing makefile...my checkout didn't grab a makefile 06.49.47 # Nimdae, no, I mean it was missing from FILES but was in SVN the whole time 06.49.53 # oh ok 06.50.02 # nls put it in a few days ago 06.50.03 # just checking 06.50.38 # yeah.. he finally gave midi its own makefile. before it was just including .c files 06.50.54 # since i didn't know makefiles back then :( 06.51.11 # i'm kinda tempted to pop some midis on my ipod to see how they play 06.51.15 # the rockbox ones are still somewhat magical 06.51.33 # I hear it doesn't work on ipod that well at all. not enough CPU 06.51.40 # really... 06.51.48 Quit atsea- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.51.53 # it can play oggs...but has a hard time with midis...that's like...odd 06.52.02 # but then, has no midi hardware 06.52.15 # yeah... I hear it works well on gigabeat, and works fine on my h300 too 06.52.37 # midi files themselves are small but there is a lot of computational overhead involved in synthesis 06.52.49 # since it's based on a wavetable 06.53.14 # yeah, like i said, no midi hardware :( 06.54.31 # yep.. else it'd be trivial to play em 06.54.54 # but hey, this is I guess the world's first firmware to support midi on a portable player 06.55.16 # which is in itself neat, even though it isn't quite useable on every target 06.55.16 # i think my old rio claimed support 06.55.25 # wow, really? 06.55.27 # i could be wrong 06.55.53 # i wonder how they did it 06.56.03 # let me rephrase that, i'm usually wrong 06.56.04 # heh 06.56.28 # ok, just dumped some midis on there 06.56.50 # it will likely complain at lack of patchset 06.57.20 # ie, the 22 meg set of instrument sounds 06.57.34 # which decompresses to ~40 mb :) 06.57.35 # yeah, it did 06.57.52 # is there a free patchset? 06.57.53 # http://wam.umd.edu/~stevenm/patchset.tbz2 06.57.55 # yea 06.57.57 # hah 06.58.16 # i wish we could host it somewhere on the RB site 06.58.30 # and i ought to probably repackage it as .zip 06.58.44 # untar that into .rockbox 06.59.14 # ok 06.59.35 # decent bandwidth at least 07.00.21 # university pipe :) 07.00.55 # 500 kb/s 07.01.19 # brb, gonna make a backup of rockbox, update, and put in patchset 07.04.30 # wow...working with my ipod in linux is clumsy 07.06.27 Quit RudMan (Remote closed the connection) 07.06.36 # heh 07.06.41 Quit Jon-Kha ("leaving") 07.06.51 Join Jon-Kha [0] (i=jon-kha@80-248-247-190.cust.suomicom.fi) 07.08.57 # nice error message..."Crap... null waveform..." 07.09.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.09.33 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.10.50 # yeah, none of these are playing 07.11.56 # and there doesn't seem to be a way to get out of the midi player 07.12.26 # Whaa? 07.12.38 # "Null waveform??" 07.12.47 # Do you mind if I have a copy of that file? 07.12.52 # yeah, i get a bunch of tohse and no audio 07.12.57 # sec, i'll link you to what i downloaded 07.13.02 # I haven't seen that error in a long, long time 07.13.05 # http://www.final-fantasy-7.net/ff7-midis.php 07.13.05 # Thanks 07.13.18 # which file? 07.13.28 # i haven't had a single one not say it so far 07.13.41 # aerith.mid for example in ff7midis.zip 07.14.23 # oh wow, i got sound briefly, it was a screech, then silence...like the audio just died 07.14.42 # let's see 07.15.17 # That is uber strange 07.15.22 # Playing on H300 07.15.27 # weird 07.15.33 # let me copy over patchfiles again 07.15.47 # maybe patch set did not get installed right? 07.15.53 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 07.15.54 Join Febs_ [0] (n=chatzill@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 07.16.08 # some notes sound really strange, though. I need to kick pitch bend up to 14 bits 07.16.26 # i should have a patchset subdirectory under .rockbox, right? 07.16.29 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A95C54.dip.t-dialin.net) 07.16.34 # right 07.18.49 # maybe it's a problem with my build of rockbox 07.19.00 # doubt it would be.. 07.19.04 # unless i just broke it... 07.19.05 # woops 07.19.07 # let's check taht 07.19.45 # no.. runs on sim too 07.20.27 # h300 and ipod are both pp processors right? 07.21.34 # weird 07.21.43 # i re-copied rockbox 07.21.51 # re-copied patchset 07.21.53 # and it plays 07.22.04 # well, for a few seconds, then scrolls buffer miss 07.22.15 # sounds about right 07.22.27 # buffer miss = plays it faster than it can produce it 07.22.34 # ie, not enough CPU 07.24.01 # heh, it can play a couple instruments at once, that's about it 07.24.14 # once you throw in a 4th or so, it spazzes out 07.24.24 # i wonder if ipods have two cores, and you can use both? 07.24.33 # it does 07.24.40 # mpegplayer uses second core 07.24.51 # midi player can probably use it as well 07.26.16 # oh wow, clarinet sounds aweful 07.26.36 # Nimdae: H300 is coldfire 07.26.46 # ah ok 07.26.52 # H10 (not H100) is the PP iRiver 07.28.12 # yes, yes it does. I have no idea why. 07.28.28 # 16 bit precision and pitch control do not help 07.28.49 # maybe a better precision gus table.. but the one used came from their docs 07.29.20 Join Ebert [0] (n=EbErT@adsl-34-34-94.asm.bellsouth.net) 07.29.21 # their patches have a 'tune' parameter, maybe that tunes the root frequency? but there is virtually zero doc on that 07.30.13 # might i make a suggestion? make it fail if it hits a large amount of buffer misses 07.30.26 # probably 07.30.32 # if they get too intense, have to reboot ipod 07.30.43 # but right now, I am going to bed 07.30.51 # same 07.30.55 # get up early and today i spent 5 hours hacking on compsci 07.30.59 # too much programming 07.31.11 # heh 07.31.20 # at least you just have university to worry about 07.31.38 # "just" - it's all relative 07.31.44 # fun with the operating systems class 07.31.54 # and the weird research stuff that doesn't always quite work 07.32.25 # anyway, thanks for the fix, i'm off 07.32.46 # np 07.32.47 # byebye 07.32.48 Quit stevenm ("Connection reset by beer") 07.33.58 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.36.25 # is there a function which give the height of a font ? 07.37.17 # toffe82: most fonts say in the name 07.38.14 # scorche: so I have to read the name to find the height ? there is no other way ? 07.38.24 # toffe82: font_getstringsize 07.38.41 # That gets the size of the current font. 07.38.48 # aliask: thanks 07.38.49 # ah =) 07.42.39 # aliask: it return the width not the height 07.43.41 # int (*font_getstringsize)(const unsigned char *str, int *w, int *h, int fontnumber); <--- from plugin.h 07.45.01 # aliask: ok, I have to read a little more ;) 07.47.06 # better go to bed , good night 07.47.16 Part toffe82 07.48.44 Quit SkinInd95 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.48.59 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 07.49.10 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@ip-89-103-17-41.karneval.cz) 07.53.09 Quit krazykit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.55.25 Quit tictoc (Remote closed the connection) 07.55.33 Join homielowe [0] (n=chatzill@d207-81-67-190.bchsia.telus.net) 07.55.57 Join tictoc [0] (i=tabac@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xB9002659) 07.56.38 Quit Rondom (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.12.45 Join nico__ [0] (n=nico@ip-213-49-228-105.dsl.scarlet.be) 08.13.26 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.dsl.t-2.net) 08.17.41 Join CaptainSquid [0] (n=Miranda@proxy15.netz.sbs.de) 08.19.54 Quit nico__ ("This computer has gone to sleep") 08.19.58 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 08.22.57 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul) 08.31.37 Join nico__ [0] (n=nico@ip-213-49-228-105.dsl.scarlet.be) 08.31.51 Quit RaZorbacK ("bye all") 08.33.59 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.33.59 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 08.35.05 Join pabs_ [0] (n=pabs@ip68-100-204-252.dc.dc.cox.net) 08.40.56 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 08.48.59 Quit nico__ (Connection timed out) 08.49.08 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B14290.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.50.02 Join B4gder [0] (n=daniel@static-213-115-255-230.sme.bredbandsbolaget.se) 08.52.37 # anyone have the crank handle for the forums lying around ? They appear to need winding up again. 08.53.06 # the wps page needs winding 08.53.13 # there needs to be a contest or something 08.53.35 # there already is a contest 08.53.39 # it's kind of died 08.54.11 # where was it announced/ 08.54.35 # in the WPS forum 08.54.39 # funnily enough 08.54.54 # needs to be on front page.. some ppl (like me) hate forums 08.55.32 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007073113]") 08.55.51 # There's only so much we can put on the front page, and it's already overcrowded 08.59.45 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjorn@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 09.03.45 Join scorche` [0] (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 09.05.52 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.06.18 Quit pabs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.09.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.10.01 Quit Jon-Kha (Remote closed the connection) 09.12.13 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.12.35 Join Jon-Kha [0] (n=Jon-Kha@80-248-247-190.cust.suomicom.fi) 09.18.53 Quit scorche (Success) 09.18.53 Nick scorche` is now known as scorche (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 09.18.58 Quit sin613 ("Leaving.") 09.29.09 # attention .se people 09.29.32 # * B4gder puts coffee cup down and sits straight 09.29.39 # were we to move the forums to the main rockbox servers, we think we'd be looking at around 90GB/Month of traffic 09.29.43 # is that realistic ? 09.29.51 # or would we need more help to suck that up ? 09.30.02 Part Llorean 09.30.12 # 90GB sounds a bit underestimated 09.30.29 # Llorean says we get around 28K views a day 09.30.36 # and we're working on around 100K per view 09.30.49 # it's all very "finger in the air" maths ;) 09.31.02 # *back of the envelope* 09.31.08 # or cigarette packet 09.31.28 # not any more 09.31.42 # but anyway, the main thing I feel about it is that it would bring yet another service to maintain and nurse, and not as much about the bandwidth 09.31.45 # you could steal someone else's ? 09.32.08 # B4gder: this is true - but the "maintenance" we're getting on Jeff's server frankly sucks at the moment 09.32.22 # yeah, it's far from perfect 09.32.30 # B4gder: It is mainly how they never work in the mornings in Europe 09.32.38 # I know 09.33.24 # is your "maintain and nurse" feeling because it would be you (or Zagor, or LinusN) having to DO the maintenance/nursing ? 09.33.33 # yes 09.34.06 # are there none of us clueful types you'd trust to do it for you ? 09.34.12 # personally I think we could have the forums anywhere, just as we do today. no need to bring them into our .se cluster 09.35.15 # also true - but the list of places to host it off the top of my head is very short at the moment 09.35.25 # I don't mind asking positive again, but I've no idea what they'd say 09.36.04 # interesting... the rockbox forum is down, but not misticriver 09.36.16 # so unfair ;) 09.37.12 # wonder if it's a difference in the forum software 09.37.18 # they seem to use vbulletin 09.38.51 # mayve 09.38.54 # maybe 09.45.04 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 09.47.47 Quit tictoc (Remote closed the connection) 09.47.56 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 09.48.55 Quit Ebert () 09.49.16 Join tictoc [0] (i=tabac@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xB9002659) 09.50.56 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 09.55.38 Quit kubiix (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.59.31 Quit Jon-Kha (Remote closed the connection) 10.00.34 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 10.01.57 Join Jon-Kha [0] (n=Jon-Kha@80-248-247-190.cust.suomicom.fi) 10.05.51 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@ip-89-103-17-41.karneval.cz) 10.11.05 Join bluebrother [0] (i=ivyWXVmc@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 10.31.36 Join Isolinear [0] (n=A@c-76-105-254-119.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 10.34.28 # we need more magic 10.37.16 # Zagor: what for? 10.37.38 # the magic lowlight committed last night is not good enough 10.37.58 # my c200 freezes before entering usb mode 10.38.14 # * GodEater_ looks for his wans 10.38.14 # before starting the OF, rather 10.38.17 # er 10.38.17 # wand 10.42.44 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b9bdd.ucd.ie) 10.42.47 Join obo [0] (n=obo@rockbox/developer/obo) 10.43.34 # Zagor: do you have both applied - low_light's reset to OF and uncommented the USB stack? (just wondering) 10.44.10 # no, I downloaded the current build to test his reset 10.45.57 # the reset itself works, but the booting into OF doesn't. 10.46.23 # probably more hw init needed 10.46.38 # but boot into the OF when the device is off still works? I'm hesitating a bit to try 10.46.51 # yes, OF after power-off still works fine 10.47.34 # ok, I'll try too soom 10.47.37 # *soon 10.47.38 Quit Jon-Kha (Remote closed the connection) 10.48.34 # hmm... timestamps in the buidtable and in the subversion table on the frontpage differ an hour 10.49.48 Join Das_Gekt [0] (i=gekko@owned.by.the.pico.edit0r.info) 10.50.02 Join Jon-Kha [0] (n=Jon-Kha@80-248-247-190.cust.suomicom.fi) 10.51.06 Quit Das_Gekt (Remote closed the connection) 10.51.15 # timezones are difficult :) 10.51.40 Join Das_Gekt [0] (i=gekko@owned.by.the.pico.edit0r.info) 10.51.47 # we should all do like venezuela, adjust it as we like 10.55.08 Quit homielowe (Remote closed the connection) 11.02.26 Join atsea- [0] (i=atsea-@gateway/tor/x-698db7c296572301) 11.05.03 Quit Gekz (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.05.19 Join norbusan [0] (n=norbusan@dhcp06.algebra.tuwien.ac.at) 11.05.33 Part norbusan 11.06.48 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 11.07.40 Join Entasis [0] (n=Jarred@ppp121-45-8-124.lns10.adl2.internode.on.net) 11.09.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.10.16 Join TMM [0] (n=brm@ip565b35da.direct-adsl.nl) 11.11.03 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@87.8.212.100) 11.13.53 Quit Jon-Kha (Remote closed the connection) 11.16.05 Nick Das_Gekt is now known as Gekz (i=gekko@owned.by.the.pico.edit0r.info) 11.18.14 Join pixelma_ [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 11.18.25 Quit pixelma (Nick collision from services.) 11.18.25 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 11.19.12 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A952F0.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.34.22 Join darkapostrophe [0] (n=darkapos@217-50-177.231210.adsl.tele2.no) 11.34.34 Join pondlife [0] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 11.45.02 Join squidink [0] (n=vik@C-59-101-246-60.bur.connect.net.au) 11.45.52 # where can I view/enable output from logf() calls? 11.46.48 # make a build with logf enabled 11.47.03 # squidink: I think you can dump it to a file in the debug menu 11.47.07 # it gets written to the remote and to disk iirc 11.47.56 # ah, might need an action from you to write it to disk 11.49.50 # where do I enable it? is it DEBUG= in the makefile? 11.50.01 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 11.50.05 Join amiconn_ [0] (i=3e088e42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0247bab38522ad0d) 11.50.07 # squidink: when you run configure 11.50.50 Quit Dark_Apostrophe (Connection timed out) 11.50.51 Nick darkapostrophe is now known as Dark_Apostrophe (n=darkapos@217-50-177.231210.adsl.tele2.no) 11.51.03 # thanks 11.54.23 # my ipod has decided to power itself on twice now this morning 11.54.52 # Ah, the signal from Jobs... 11.54.58 # hehe 11.55.11 # All iPods: Rise up and conquer 11.55.13 # of course - why didn't I think of that 11.55.21 # it wants to get upgraded to the latest rockbox ;) 11.55.35 # it can't until the scrollwheel patch gets commited 11.56.29 # Maybe "The Signal" is also causing the Nano problem? 11.56.35 # I'm not going back to that jerkiness again 11.56.40 # maybe 11.58.30 # Do we know when these mysterious wakeups started? 11.58.42 Quit hcs ("Leaving.") 11.59.12 # months ago 11.59.17 # maybe we are programming an rtc alarm without knowing it ;) 11.59.19 # but I couldn't pin it down precisely 11.59.29 # My suspicion is r12522 from February - "Add wake on alarm support for Ipods. Rename HAVE_ALARM_MOD to HAVE_ALARM_RTC since it's not always a mod. Make Ipod PCF driver keep other flags in OOCC1 that have been set instead of overwriting them." 11.59.33 # I do remember some mornings waking up and finding the ipod completely DEAD 11.59.45 # but I figured I'd just run it down more than I thought the day before 11.59.53 # but now I believe it was coming on in the middle of the night 11.59.58 # and just playing itself into the grave 12.00.05 # Zombie iPods, comin' t' getcha 12.01.50 # GodEater_: Are you saying that you're not running the latest Rockbox because of the scrollwheel? 12.02.08 # linuxstb: I'm saying I'm running a custom build of my own recipe using the scrollwheel patch :) 12.02.36 # 7738 improves the scrollwheel SO much I'd find it hard to go back 12.02.40 # So you could test something? 12.02.45 # I could 12.02.50 Join darkapostrophe [0] (n=darkapos@217-50-177.231210.adsl.tele2.no) 12.03.05 Join Febs__ [0] (n=chatzill@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 12.03.09 Nick Febs__ is now known as Febs (n=chatzill@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 12.04.24 # You could change the function pcf50605_standby_mode() in firmware/drivers/pcf50605.c from the current contents to just "pcf50605_write(OOCC1, GOSTDBY | CHGWAK | EXTONWAK);" 12.05.30 # this would be the rtc code you just mentioned ? 12.06.36 Quit barrywardell (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.07.04 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 12.07.18 # Sort of. The pcf50605 is the power management chip, and that function puts it into standby mode, and sets the wakeup conditions. That changed with the alarm commit. 12.09.01 # so remove both lines that are currently there, and add your one from above ? 12.09.17 # Yes 12.09.26 # ok 12.09.57 # The reverse of this change - http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/drivers/pcf50605.c?r1=12129&r2=12522 12.12.36 # * GodEater_ compiles 12.13.01 # * GodEater_ wonders what will constitute a successful test 12.13.37 # If it never wakes up by itself... ;) 12.13.54 # it goes days sometimes without doing that 12.14.02 # and then, as today, it does it twice in one morning =/ 12.14.51 # OK, then you need to stare at your ipod video 24 hours a day for the next month, and let us know what happens. 12.14.58 # lol 12.15.06 # No blinking either 12.16.09 Quit Dark_Apostrophe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.16.09 Nick darkapostrophe is now known as Dark_Apostrophe (n=darkapos@217-50-177.231210.adsl.tele2.no) 12.16.40 # :`( 12.17.14 # * GodEater_ adds this info to the forum thread 12.18.12 # GodEater_: BTW, getting that function wrong could potentially send your ipod to sleep forever... (well, until you disconnect the battery) 12.18.25 # nooooow you tell me 12.18.37 # even disabling the reset sequence? 12.19.06 # that would be impressive come to think of it 12.19.55 # bluebrother: According to an IPL dev who did exactly that, yes. 12.20.24 # wow. And I usually claim that sequence will work always ... 12.20.34 # holding "Play" on boot is the way to boot iPL is it not ? 12.20.43 # yep 12.20.46 Quit Febs_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.21.23 Join BigMac [0] (n=mike@c-71-234-95-131.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) 12.22.26 # * GodEater_ trusts that linuxstb knows his stuff, and applies his freshly baked build to his iPod. 12.23.03 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@65-101-132-152.tukw.qwest.net) 12.24.30 # Maybe we should have an option under "Debug Menu (Keep Out!)" that reads "Sleep Forever (Keep Out!)".? 12.24.43 # With a nice brick icon? 12.24.49 # Of course. 12.25.03 # And the manual will say "Never select this option." 12.25.08 # brickstation! 12.25.17 # * B4gder goes back to sleep 12.25.39 # Just call it "Halo 3 (Keep Out!)" 12.25.51 # * bluebrother notices the typo "Degub scrollweel" :) 12.26.24 # * pondlife imagines a dirty scrollwheel, with lots of gub attached. 12.27.20 # you mean a scrollweel of course 12.27.25 # not a scrollwheel 12.28.32 Quit kclaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.29.14 # I degub my weel all the time 12.29.17 # hmm, that screen is too wide for the minis lcd. 12.29.34 # linuxstb: you'll be pleased to hear my ipod turns on and off just fine after your hackery ;) 12.30.55 # * bluebrother starts to like the bootloader usb mode in the Ipod 12.31.05 # linuxstb: [OT] have you noticed Geoff "PS3 Linux" Levand hangs out in #gentoo-ppc64 ? :) 12.31.43 Quit midkay (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.34.41 # hmm, the scrollwheel accelleration patch makes the wheel a bit to sensitive imo. Scrolling down exactly one item gets rather hard ... 12.35.43 # * amiconn_ never observed ipod auto power on 12.36.24 # * preglow neither 12.36.32 # But then I don't have it resume on startup, so it might in fact power on without me noticing it. Auto power off will shut it down again 12.36.33 # and i use alarm a lot at times 12.36.46 # ...within 3 minutes 12.36.56 # ease in selecting one item / deacceleration on-demand was one of jhMikeS's focuses when he wrote the original patch for the Sansa, and reading flyspray comments one of the larger disagreements (in implementation) he had with the iPod version writer 12.37.00 # mine sits right next to me all the time while i'm at the computer, so i'm fairly sure i'd notice it, though 12.37.40 # have anyone noticed it always wakes up at some specific time? when i think about it, i don't know what values retailos keeps in the alarm regs at default 12.37.43 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 12.38.25 # preglow: Are you sitting at your computer 24 hours a day? ;) 12.38.42 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@66.172.231.192) 12.38.49 # he's an impressive bot 12.39.07 # i've been known to sit here for long streaks of time 12.39.12 # just saying odds are good i should have seen it 12.39.29 # but perhaps the fact that i AM using the alarm makes me not see it 12.39.31 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54967C8B.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.39.40 # i'd be curious to know if the affected people have ever used the alarm functionality 12.39.51 # this might be some issue of uninitialized registers 12.39.52 # preglow: If you don't sleep, why would you need the alarm? :P 12.39.53 # bluebrother: you can still adjust the sensitivity though 12.40.24 # in the display menu? 12.40.30 # preglow: my wakes up at entirely random times 12.40.35 # bluebrother: should be yes 12.40.40 # or is there any other setting I missed? 12.40.42 # GodEater_: ever used the alarm? 12.40.54 Nick Gekz is now known as Gekz[PDA] (i=gekko@owned.by.the.pico.edit0r.info) 12.40.59 # preglow: never have no 12.41.00 # as in even just tried it 12.41.08 # *never* :) 12.41.08 # then that might be it, try doing so and see if it happens again 12.41.23 # i'm fairly sure this is it if the problem is the alarm code at all 12.41.23 # preglow: why would that be it ? 12.41.38 # because the alarm time regs might be left in whatever state they were in 12.41.54 # and i can't remember if i handle that scenario, i'll check it out now 12.41.56 # so do what? use the alarm, and then turn it off again ? 12.42.01 # yeah 12.42.02 # just set it 12.42.05 # then forget it 12.42.10 # * GodEater_ has just used linuxstb's hack 12.42.12 # will this matter ? 12.42.17 # i don't know what his hack is 12.42.21 # read up 12.42.41 # You could change the function pcf50605_standby_mode() in firmware/drivers/pcf50605.c from the current contents to just "pcf50605_write(OOCC1, GOSTDBY | CHGWAK | EXTONWAK);" 12.42.50 # that's what I've just done 12.43.21 # right, not keeping the old wake values 12.43.30 # that might be it too, yes 12.43.41 # but i kind of suspect i'm right too 12.44.21 # i've never seen any other values in OOCC1 anyway, i just put in retaning the old flags in case something unforeseen happened, you don't want to screw around too much with OOCC1 12.44.22 # we won't be able to tell which is correct until I revert back to the old code though I assume ? 12.44.34 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 12.44.51 # yeah, linuxstb also said something to that effect AFTER I'd done the build :) 12.45.04 # that code is harmless, though 12.45.07 # but still 12.45.39 # but yeah, my commit is almost certainly the culprit 12.47.05 # if I suggest your fix to others in the forum thread on the subject 12.47.19 # I'm assuming they don't have to wait for the alarm to actually trigger before they turn it off again yes ? 12.47.25 # you tried the alarm now, btw? 12.47.32 # i'd be keen to see the register values 12.47.34 # no - I asked a question above 12.47.49 # don't have to wait, no 12.48.10 # you skilled enough to cook up code to view the alarm reg contents, btw? 12.48.15 # or shall i cook up a patch? 12.48.38 # well I've never looked at the alarm register code 12.48.41 # I could do it 12.48.48 # but it'd be quicker if you did though I suspect 12.49.05 # I'm happy to apply whatever patch to my tree 12.49.25 Nick Gekz[PDA] is now known as Gekz (i=gekko@owned.by.the.pico.edit0r.info) 12.49.34 # ok, i'll cook up a patch now 12.49.39 # just gimme a sec 12.49.50 # * GodEater_ guesses he'd have to hack in debug_menu.c or somesuch 12.50.00 # prolly the nicest spot for it, yeah 12.50.25 # * preglow has to find the datasheet first too 12.51.06 # it could just be me 12.51.18 # but it looks like there's pcf506060 stuff in there already 12.51.20 # but only for H300 12.52.46 # hm - no - just a #include for it 12.54.47 # <-- dumbass, I want pcf50605 anyway 12.55.25 Quit advcomp2019 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.55.45 # what ipod've you got? i'll just assume there's space left at the bottom of view i/o ports 12.57.01 Part pondlife ("Leaving.") 12.57.07 # should be - I have the 5.5G 80GB 12.57.19 Join pondlife [0] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 12.57.32 # yeah - there's plenty of space 12.58.23 Join webguest78 [0] (i=51429eac@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-aeb44aef4d870608) 13.00.17 # bluebrother: WRT to the ipod scrollwheel patch, I find moving just one item is easiest by just rolling my thumb a little to the left or right rather than actually sliding it. This is what I used to do on the OF too - so I guess it doesn't bother me. 13.01.25 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.03.51 # what does a Stkov power panic likely refer to? 13.04.13 # a stack overflow in the power handling ? 13.04.20 # ah 13.05.25 # GodEater_: kiedoke, patch coming up 13.05.40 # that might be from too many local variables, no? 13.05.43 # pastebin, or tracker ? 13.05.58 # GodEater_: www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/lollerskates.patch 13.06.04 # hahaha 13.06.12 # squidink: It could either be the power thread using too much stack, or something else in Rockbox overwriting the power thread's stack. 13.06.24 # GodEater_: view i/o ports should have a Wake: entry now, just give me those numbers 13.08.03 # preglow: build now 13.08.05 # er 13.08.06 # building 13.08.28 # * GodEater_ had to revert the debug_scrollwheel patch 13.08.31 Nick Gekz is now known as Gekz[sleep] (i=gekko@owned.by.the.pico.edit0r.info) 13.08.41 Nick Gekz[sleep] is now known as Gekz (i=gekko@owned.by.the.pico.edit0r.info) 13.09.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.09.38 Join darksaboteur [0] (n=darksabo@75.73.87.203.static.nsw.chariot.net.au) 13.10.12 # bloody linux's delayed write behaviour is starting to annoy me 13.10.20 # it's been pissing me off for years 13.10.26 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 13.10.37 # i can do a bloody copy to the nano, wait for half an hour, try to unplug and THEN linux decides to flush for a minute 13.10.59 # delayed is ok, but it should start bloody writing as soon as possible 13.11.05 # Wake: 48 31 10 7 27 9 7 13.11.13 # yeah, that looks interesting... 13.11.14 # this is without going near the alarm settings yet 13.11.20 # don't do that 13.11.25 # i'll see if i can predict the next wakeup 13.11.28 # if i can, that's surely the bug 13.12.21 # ah damn - sorry - looked away from the screen 13.12.29 # already fiddled with the alarm :( 13.12.33 # :/ 13.12.34 # oh well 13.13.05 # preglow: add sync,dirsync to your mount options 13.13.22 # Zagor: will that slow down writing as well or just flush when possible? 13.13.27 # actually sync is enough 13.13.41 # it will bypass the buffer 13.13.43 # using sync on a flash drive might not be a good idea though 13.13.52 # Zagor: but i don't want that, writing will be dog slow then 13.13.53 # or if it actually does an immediate flush, I'm not sure 13.14.19 # i want it to buffer, but flush the buffer when nothing else is happening 13.14.35 # why not just unmount it? 13.14.39 # if you use sync it will write every update to the FAT immediately which could decrease the lifetime of the flash noticably 13.14.54 # Zagor: nice to leave the nano charging after writing, for example 13.14.56 # well, 100000 writes is a minimum these days... 13.15.02 # just call sync manually 13.15.09 # preglow: surely it will charge even when unmounted? 13.15.15 # Zagor: true 13.15.16 # anyway 13.15.29 # * linuxstb normally leaves his ipod attached, but unmounted, and it charges 13.15.33 # i just don't get the behaviour of not flushing when nothing is happening 13.15.35 # it's kinda breaindead 13.15.54 # time for lunch ... 13.15.55 # preglow: it's efficient 13.16.13 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 13.16.37 # if the file system is still mounted, odds are you will write to it again. so why flush? 13.16.41 # I guess it's difficult to know when "nothing is happening" 13.16.42 # Zagor: well, sure, i save some extra cpu cycles while already idling 13.17.18 Quit webguest78 ("CGI:IRC") 13.17.21 # i think the flushing is configurable in /proc 13.17.24 # just annoys me, i would have tried to keep memory flushed if i could so no delays would occur if i needed that memory, like when starting another prorgram 13.17.34 # right now, linux would have to bloody flush the buffer to my nano, then start allocating the mem 13.17.50 # an altogether slow procedure 13.17.59 # preglow: nah, it'd rather swap stuff out to disk instead 13.18.10 # yeah, another not too efficient procedure 13.18.21 # * GodEater_ goes off to lunch 13.18.22 # better to flush stuff when nothing happens 13.18.41 # right. but that's a border-line exception. surely you don't want to optimise borderline cases at the expense of normal usage? 13.18.54 # *shrug*, i see this as pretty normal usage 13.19.02 # "when nothing happens" is only true in each very instant. the next could be very busy. 13.19.08 # at least i'm annoyed by it all the time during normal usage 13.19.19 # how do you notice it? 13.19.38 # when i need to wait for ages while stuff flushes? 13.19.45 # I hear people complain about this, but I've never ever felt it being a problem 13.19.59 # possibly because i umount much earlier 13.20.00 # where can I find data about what happened in a stkov? 13.20.21 # squidink: nowhere really, you need to read code and research 13.20.34 # stkov is a stack overflow so something broke the stack 13.20.38 # usage patterns i guess, it never happens in windows, though 13.20.44 # but that's also slightly slower at actually writing 13.21.02 # windows uses sync writing for removable devices 13.21.07 # B4dger: Is there a stack trace or anything of the sort? 13.21.15 # squidink: nope 13.21.20 # Zagor: it has to do _some_ kind of buffering, or it'd be even slower 13.21.42 # some programs in windows seems to override it and are _very_ slow as a result 13.21.43 # like winrar 13.22.07 # just curious: are you using usb 1.1? 13.22.12 # usb2 13.22.12 # w2k buffers for removables 13.22.24 # Zagor: doesn't matter much for nano anyway :P 13.22.30 # ah, nano is slow. ok 13.22.42 # Is there any way to view the logf buffer while the thing's running, without a remote? 13.22.48 # Zagor: yeah, very much so. this isn't much of a problem for my hd devices 13.22.58 # tumu: not the w2k on my wife's computer 13.23.26 # anywho, i don't know where the hell i specify mount options for automount stuff here anyway :) 13.23.32 # like a split-screen kind of arrangement? 13.23.34 # Zagor: it is a setting 13.23.56 # petur: yeah, but I'm pretty sure I (nor she) haven't changed anything 13.24.02 # preglow: I would just disable automounting and mount/umount as needed... 13.24.07 # Zagor, that's weird, mine has always buffered and because of that, it complains if removables are removed without ejecting them 13.24.12 # linuxstb: oh no i won't 13.24.13 # haha 13.24.17 # i get easily annoyed at that 13.24.24 # preglow: I think of mounting an external disk the same as being root - just do it when you need it 13.24.25 # i like automounting 13.24.38 # tumu: oh, complains it does. but the settings still say "no cache" or whatever it's called 13.24.47 # the less typing i need to do, the better 13.24.52 # preglow: But then you lose control, and have the problem you're having now... 13.25.20 # linuxstb: sync as a mount option isn't an option anyway 13.25.22 # preglow: Script it - "mount /ipod" isn't hard, but you could just call it "i"... 13.25.37 # i'm on ubuntu so i'd have to do "sudo i" :P 13.25.47 # No, add "user" to /etc/fstab 13.26.17 # true 13.26.27 # but like i said, sync as a mount option is very slow 13.26.52 # i like the buffering, i just wish it flushed from time to time, and i believe that's moving far into kernel configuration territory 13.27.03 # preglow: add 'sync' to your crontab ;) 13.27.07 # haha 13.27.10 # yay 13.27.37 # GodEater_: anyway, according to these values, your ipod shouldn't be waking very often 13.28.27 # GodEater_: it should wake around 10:31:48, 27.9.2007, familiar date, that... 13.28.38 # * preglow checks if he's reading the right bloody registers 13.28.47 # and indeed he is 13.28.51 # weird... 13.29.26 # GodEater_: it didn't happen to wake around then, did it? :V 13.30.01 # preglow: I think he's at lunch, but he posted a message at about 10.50 saying his ipod woke twice this morning.... 13.30.26 # linuxstb: yeah, just spamming him for when he comes back, i might need to go soon 13.31.17 # So was the alarm wake-up flag being set as well? 13.32.21 # didn't check that, i just assumed it was if this was the problem 13.32.30 # anyway, how the hell did those values end up in those regs? 13.32.44 # rockbox doesn't have the code to do that, it always writes constant values to the last four of them 13.32.48 Quit tictoc (Remote closed the connection) 13.32.48 # * Nico_P feels the gradient patch (FS#7808) is ready to be committed 13.32.50 # and always 0 to the seconds register 13.33.11 # Maybe the OF sets it? 13.33.36 # linuxstb: do all these people use of lots, then? 13.33.44 # some of them said they never do 13.34.09 # preglow: No idea... It could even be the bootloader (although I can't imagine why...) 13.34.23 # i've never had the bootloader do anything of the kind, that's for sure 13.34.31 # and after disassembling, i'm quite sure it never even touched those regs 13.34.58 # Maybe it was something added in more recent Nano/5g firmwares... 13.35.31 # perhaps 13.35.38 # lord knows why, though 13.36.50 Join tictoc [0] (i=tabac@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xB9002659) 13.36.51 # But anyway, would the fix be to always set the alarm registers in the standby function? 13.37.07 # or is there somewhere else we could always do it? 13.37.33 # i don't really know what to do, i guess we could check if wake on alarm is enabled, then don't touch them 13.37.43 # but if it isn't, clear them to default so it'll never wake 13.37.52 # i think the bl always enables wake on alarm 13.38.09 Part tomv_w 13.47.33 # is there any way of adding a setting such that it doesn't really get a menu entry, but can be changed in theme files? 13.48.04 Quit Rondom (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.51.33 # that "horizontal scroll" once did and icons do too 13.51.40 Quit iamben (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.52.18 # preglow: A theme file is just treated as any other .cfg afaik. 13.54.13 # at least i think that's the way settings like bar gradient should be set, rockbox will end up an even bigger settings hell than it is if we add menu settings for stuff like this 13.54.26 # * B4gder agrees 13.55.28 # there probably already are settings like this in the menus somewhere that i think should be removed and confined to theme files 13.55.31 # otoh, I hate hidden settings like firefox has for example 13.55.52 # I'd prefer if all options were available in menus to be honest.. 13.56.01 # they're not really hidden, are they. if you're into customising themes, then theme files are a natural place to look for options 13.56.19 # yuck 13.56.37 # i just really think rockbox is suffering from tangled menus at the moment, and it won't get any better if we add more 13.56.41 # then don't call them settings 13.57.02 # * preglow doesn't use firefox much :> 13.57.26 # What options are there? Isn't it just a 3rd selector bar type? 13.57.26 # too clunky 13.57.41 # I hated it for the horizontal scroll setting on the Ondio when it still interfered with the context menu, there was no way turning it off without connecting to the computer 13.57.50 # * pondlife should look at the patch if there's bloat coming in. 13.59.06 Quit kubiix (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.59.42 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@ip-89-103-17-41.karneval.cz) 14.00.11 # preglow: what do you use ? opera ? 14.00.25 # Nico_P: yeah 14.00.38 Quit kubiix (Client Quit) 14.00.43 # it's not free software, but it is nice 14.01.07 # and doesn't feel like a ten ton truck 14.02.00 # anyway, i like the gradient thing, i just don't want it cluttering up our menus even more 14.02.10 # preglow: I agree, firefox feels huge sometimes 14.02.10 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@ip-89-103-17-41.karneval.cz) 14.02.10 # i'm all for eye candy at this point, rockbox needs more of it 14.02.37 # pondlife: it adds two new selector types (gradient and solid colour), and options to set the colours (3 :\) 14.03.05 # 3 colours? 14.03.11 # three settings 14.03.20 # gradient start, gradient end and text 14.03.39 # all valid settings, but i don't want them in our menus 14.03.47 # gradient start is the one used when the solid coulour selector is chosen 14.03.49 # Why a different text colour, could that not just use the standard text? 14.04.11 # pondlife: that would limit things a lot IMHO 14.04.14 # yeah, agree 14.04.44 # * pondlife is happy with less text colours... just colourful icons. 14.04.50 # So don't worry about me. 14.04.55 # Just keep the bloat down, mmkay. 14.04.56 # i also want nicer icons 14.05.03 # nicer fonts 14.05.11 # when it comes to visuals, nicer everything :> 14.05.14 # preglow: I agree, we need a nice set of icons buildtin 14.05.24 # rockbox isn't really shining on the newer targets at the moment 14.05.39 # nice and usable, but kind of ugly :P 14.05.39 # More colours in the text isn't nicer looking IMHO. But that is of course 100% subjective. 14.05.57 # pondlife: be happy there's not a text colour gradient too :D 14.06.27 # This way lies a ten ton truck :) 14.06.29 Join SkinInd95 [0] (n=chatzill@71-217-136-184.hlna.qwest.net) 14.06.43 # Lunchtime.... 14.07.06 # let's just code rockbox in javascript 14.08.21 # preglow: is there an equivalent to adblock for opera ? 14.08.42 # yeah, it's builtin 14.08.58 # oh, "blcoked content", right ? 14.09.04 # yup 14.09.45 # builtin and coded in nice, shiny c++ 14.09.55 # which in the end i suspect is what makes it not feel like a ten ton truck 14.10.12 # as opposed to what you mean? 14.10.34 # layers upon layer of javascript 14.10.36 Nick idnar_ is now known as idnar (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 14.10.38 # preglow: I'd rather say it's surprising it's as nimble as it is, for a c++ app... 14.10.50 # Zagor: yeah, that too :P 14.11.01 # firefox isn't really layers of javascript but layers of xml 14.11.20 # B4gder: might be, but that surely isn't any better, heh 14.11.37 # Zagor: c++ doesn't have to result in clunky big things, but you do need to be careful 14.11.50 # and i suspect the opera guys are, being heavily involved in the embedded market 14.12.14 # oh I know. a chainsaw doesn't have to result in loss of blood either... 14.12.18 # I like how opera stopped using qt for embedded... :-) 14.12.18 # stay away from the templates, mkay 14.12.22 # B4gder: oh? 14.12.37 # I bet opera cut off 75% of their size 14.12.52 # they're directfb embedded 14.13.15 # really,now 14.13.18 # interesting 14.13.38 # ... I put one up on a sh4 linux earlier this year 14.14.10 # browsing on a TV really never is fun ;-) 14.14.41 # unless hd perhaps 14.14.55 # beats using a phone 14.15.03 # hehehe 14.15.07 # by a smallish margin 14.15.11 # tried using opera on the wii 14.15.14 # was ok, but not superb 14.15.21 # yeah, TV:s tend to be blurrier than a phone 14.15.23 # TVs 14.15.30 # true 14.16.25 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B17764.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.16.49 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.18.31 Quit SkinInd95 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.21.51 # i wonder why nano and 5g needs two register writes for backlight control 14.23.20 Part LinusN 14.25.08 Nick Gekz is now known as Gekz[PDA] (i=gekko@owned.by.the.pico.edit0r.info) 14.25.28 Quit kubiix ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 14.25.36 # so what should I do with the gradient patch... remove the settings and leave the users to edit cfg files ? 14.26.09 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@ip-89-103-17-41.karneval.cz) 14.26.32 # Thinking about theme settings, what do people think about a theme/wps editor plugin as a SoC 2008 project? 14.26.35 # I think: leave the setting in for now and let's try it out, and possibly make it cfg only later 14.26.39 # linuxstb: sounds stellar 14.26.52 # i agree with bagder, but i really think we shouldn't just forget this 14.27.16 # linuxstb: good idea, yes 14.27.46 # maybe also a WYSIWYG WPS editor app ? :) 14.28.05 # B4gder: ok, I think I'll do a bit of polishing and then commit 14.28.09 # linuxstb: you know if the pcf pwm generator is used for backlight on ipods at all? 14.28.34 # I think a wps editor would probably be even more appreciated than a theme editor 14.28.46 # oh, you said both :) 14.28.59 Nick _pill is now known as pilled (i=pill@sloth.shellfx.net) 14.29.58 # however I think it would be better to make a qt app rather than a plugin. 14.30.15 # would make it easier to use, that's for sure 14.30.16 # * GodEater_ is back from lunch 14.30.17 # if qt is the preferred win+lin gui toolkit 14.30.26 # GodEater_: i spammed you some text, check it out 14.30.34 # I saw 14.30.44 # hard to tell if it woke up then - it was already on 14.30.56 # i still wonder how the hell the alarm got set to that 14.30.59 # you use retailos at all? 14.31.07 # to charge in sometimes 14.31.10 # but otherwise no 14.31.28 # but I leave the hold switch on all the time when it's off now 14.31.32 # so that if it DOES power up 14.31.38 # it boots into OF 14.31.45 # and powers down again, instead of killing the battery 14.32.59 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.33.39 # anyway 14.33.49 # the ipod was set to wake at about the time 14.34.07 # linuxstb's change probably will fix this 14.34.27 # * GodEater_ needs to run linuxstb's fix back in 14.34.38 # i have absolutely no idea why your ipod was set to wake then 14.34.41 # I applied your patch to a clean branch 14.34.47 # rockbox isn't capable of setting those regs to those values 14.34.54 # curious then 14.35.10 # I could boot back into OF, and then back into RB to see if they change again ? 14.35.17 # sure 14.35.20 # would be fun 14.35.29 # * GodEater_ does so 14.36.17 # preglow: No, I don't know anything about backlights. 14.36.32 # for some reason, i'm itching to relieve rockbox of having to do the pwm 14.36.47 # hmm - no - looks to be 0 30 10 7 3F 1F 99 now 14.36.51 # maybe i should start blindly writing to the pwm regs and see what happens 14.37.14 # GodEater_: that looks like rockbox values, set to wake at 10:30 14.37.31 # yeah - that's what I set the wake up to just after you'd told me not to =/ 14.38.04 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 14.38.11 # anyway, i propose we just forget about why the hell the alarm is told to wake 14.38.15 # and apply linuxstb's patch 14.38.38 Nick advcomp2019_ is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@66.172.231.192) 14.39.51 # i'm quite sure that'll fix this issue 14.41.41 # * GodEater_ reapplies the patch 14.41.48 Join krazykit [0] (n=kkit@light.sunsetab.denison.edu) 14.42.19 # well, just ordered another iaudio 7 14.42.25 # haha 14.42.43 # from another place or a smaller one? 14.43.09 # and really, i can't see any point in retaining any of the other values at all 14.43.13 # what happened to the first one ? 14.43.16 # so let's just save the bytes the readback costs us 14.43.47 # * Nico_P thinks a Qt WPS designer is a great SoC idea 14.44.03 # B4gder, other place 14.44.03 # or would we want to use the watchdog one day? :P 14.44.15 # B4gder, they swore blind that they would have it in my hands tomorrow or monday 14.44.15 # a theme config editor plugin sounds a little small for a SoC 14.44.59 # i don't get why we would want to edit themes on target anyway, sounds cumbersome 14.45.11 # Nico_P: a little small ? We're still waiting on MoB! ;) 14.45.20 # what's the difference btwn iaudio 6 and 7? 14.45.29 # go faster stripes 14.45.33 # GodEater_: hehe :) 14.45.33 # unless i manage to remove all theme settings from menus, that is :P 14.46.07 # Zagor: iaudio 6 is a hdd 14.46.13 # iaudio 7 is flash 14.46.38 # heh, but the 6 has smaller capacity than the 7... 14.46.47 # yeah. 0.85 inch 14.47.02 # I guess those never took off 14.48.45 # yay, it's got gradient text! 14.49.25 # or maybe my eyes are fooling me 14.49.34 # I wonder if their "260000 colors" are the same 18bit the x5 has... 14.49.49 # http://www.cowonglobal.com/product/images/iaudio7/lcd_img.jpg <-- anyone else think the 107.07 text is faded? (no cheating) 14.50.50 # faded? 14.50.52 # define cheating 14.51.05 # my, what an ugly ui 14.51.08 # how old is this dap? 14.51.15 Nick parafin|away is now known as parafin (i=parafin@paraf.in) 14.51.21 # brand new 14.51.29 # It looks like the top of the chars is brighter cyan than the bottom 14.51.37 # <|Rain|> hooray for optical illusions 14.51.38 # but it's very slight, so could be an illusion 14.51.48 # oh, the tuner 14.52.11 # Zagor: in the tuner I agree 14.52.12 # it's definitely real 14.52.20 # <|Rain|> the illusion is less pronounced if you cover the 'ch24' and 'preset' with your finger 14.52.23 # even dithered 14.52.42 # but it is still there if you zoom 800% 14.52.46 # its not an illusion 14.52.50 # no 14.53.27 # top is 08fafb, bottom is 00cafc 14.53.30 # athough the pics might've been fotopgraphed or something 14.53.31 # * Zagor cheated 14.53.32 # <|Rain|> I did zoom in... there might be a really slight gradiant there, but looking at the actual colors, I'm still not sure 14.53.51 # yes fotopgraphed is a word ;-P 14.53.56 # the colours are different, no doubt 14.53.59 # no illusion 14.54.06 # why would it be an illusion, btw? :P 14.54.18 # oddly small gradient 14.54.32 # <|Rain|> well, it's a jpeg, so there's a little bit of variation from compression artifacts, but if look at the colors on the 1 (since it's a nice straight line) you can tell it definitely is there 14.54.34 # "Enhanced Integrated Navigator" 14.54.40 # what is that? 14.54.50 # |Rain|: in that case it still wouldn't be an illusion, it would be compression artifacts 14.54.52 Join darkapostrophe [0] (n=darkapos@217-50-177.231210.adsl.tele2.no) 14.55.11 # B4gder: it's marketing speak for "not much" 14.55.29 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@bas3-montreal28-1177918872.dsl.bell.ca) 14.55.56 # preglow: you're probably the one who can tell me that... how hard/cpu intensive would a simple vis plugin/wps widget be ? something like the peakmeter but prettier and with a few freqs 14.56.47 # preglow: I think it would be worth commiting your lollerskates patch to get a better feel for people's ipod Wake up registers 14.57.04 # 160x128 sounds like a common resolution 14.57.26 # GodEater_: but what good would it be? 14.57.42 # well it would show you a bigger sample set of weird register values ? 14.57.47 # unless you're not bothered anymore 14.58.01 # Nico_P: it depends so incredibly much on what you want to do. for a few freqs you'd need to do freq splitting, which means either filtering or ffts, none of which are cheap, and both of which will be more expensive than the peak meter 14.58.17 # GodEater_: i don't really care since i don't know where they come from, and can't do anything about them anyway 14.58.27 # fair enough then 14.58.46 # are you going to commit linuxstb's patch instead then ? 14.58.59 # GodEater_: i'm 99.99% percent certain rockbox isn't the origin since the only values it writes to four of those regs are constant 14.59.07 # and that means i can't do anything about it and need to adapt in other ways 14.59.15 # yeah, i'm kinda thinking that's the way to go about it 14.59.19 Quit Toki (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.59.25 # just waiting a bit for some answers from the forum first 14.59.27 # I shall leave it in your capable mits then 14.59.49 # if none of them have using the alarm before, i'll just conclude it's retailos or the bootloader doing something cracky 14.59.58 # if some of them have, i'll need to think a bit more about it 15.00.01 # preglow: well ideally it'd be something like what you can see in most PC audio players (I use amarok and there's a nice one), but of course with less freqs (maybe 4 or 5)... do you think the gigabeat would be capable of it ? 15.00.10 # Nico_P: easily 15.00.50 # and having more freqs than that is no stress either, you still need to calculate all of them 15.00.56 # well it could be a nice thing to have for the powerful targets we have... what would be required ? simple access to the PCM data ? 15.00.58 # just turns into a display question 15.01.00 # ah 15.01.36 # two solutions, you could just split the whole audio data into several bands with eq like filters and postprocess to find peak, but as soon as you start adding more and more bands, a simple fft is the best 15.01.44 # and fft will find the entire frequency spectrum of the current audio frame 15.01.50 # so you just display the parts of that you want 15.02.17 # probably better then 15.02.30 # what does the oscilloscope plugin do ? read the current frame and find the peak ? 15.02.41 Join nls [0] (n=nils@nl104-209-90.student.uu.se) 15.03.03 # something like that 15.03.18 Quit darksaboteur ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.7/2007091417]") 15.03.26 # i'm planning to have a look at fft algos soon, but we already have some in a couple of codecs, i think 15.04.04 # so oscilloscope and vu meter would be good starts... I'll probably try to have a quick look 15.04.08 # just to get an idea 15.04.13 # yea 15.04.24 # you should find some spectrum view vis source code to look at too 15.04.30 # i don't know too much about the specific 15.04.31 # s 15.04.42 # but more importantly, you should look at the getting mob commited :> :> 15.04.49 # Yes :) 15.04.57 Quit spiorf (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 15.04.58 # indeed 15.05.05 # a couple of us are eagerly awaiting it 15.05.23 Join Toki [0] (n=hsdbvlkb@gateimb.imb.lebedev.ru) 15.05.26 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@87.9.171.71) 15.05.58 # I've been thinking that it might be faster to just start rewriting the playback code :\ 15.06.39 # and i think you'll find a couple of other people agreeing, but i have no idea 15.06.46 # I liked the idea of doing buffering into MAS playback first... 15.07.07 # But I don't have an Archos any more :( 15.07.09 # seems a safer way to start 15.07.12 # pondlife: me too, but without on of these targets to test on and a functional sim, I'm kinda blocked 15.07.16 # but I also am archosless 15.07.19 # s/on/one 15.07.28 # that does make life tricky 15.07.56 # was playback originally written to a spec, or did it just develop organically ? 15.07.57 # I'd need to implement audio playback in the sim first :) 15.08.07 # spec??? ;) 15.08.12 # SWCODEC playback was a big hack IIRC 15.08.35 # Yep, followed by further hacks. 15.08.58 # then hacked upon by people who tend to vanish 15.09.13 # maybe I should just start from scratch :( 15.09.19 # it's like the Bermuda triangle, people vanish in there! 15.09.20 # lostlogic had started a rewrite but it got the better of him, apparently. 15.09.31 # I think a re-write seems the best way to proceed 15.09.37 # he even tried to implement MoB 15.09.37 # nah, i think he got along nicely, but he just stopped coding 15.09.41 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.09.43 # otherwise you're pulling cards from the base of a house of cards 15.09.50 # Nico_P: The buffering part is generally the worst bit IMHO. 15.10.00 # So you've at least got that sorted. 15.10.11 # * GodEater_ admires pondlife's confidence 15.10.22 # for someone who's not doing any of it ;) 15.10.24 # * pondlife is never confident 15.10.45 # pondlife: I think so too, but adapting that part is very confusing... I could rewrite the rest around the buffering while trying to keep in mind how it was done 15.11.04 Quit Dark_Apostrophe (Connection timed out) 15.11.04 Nick darkapostrophe is now known as Dark_Apostrophe (n=darkapos@217-50-177.231210.adsl.tele2.no) 15.13.09 # who's "Stepan Moskovchenko"? 15.13.19 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@hdp186.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 15.13.58 Join seablue [0] (n=s@0x535c1344.banxx3.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) 15.14.00 # Zagor, from my research, the iaudio6 and 7 appear to be the exact same hardware, minus/plus disk/nand 15.14.08 # markun: stevenm ? 15.14.11 # markun: stevenm 15.14.16 # Zagor, but, I'll know that for certain tomorrow or monday :) 15.14.26 # they have different screens it seems 15.14.30 # TMM: yeah, found some photos. looks very much the same. 15.14.37 # preglow, B4gder: doesn't ring a bell 15.14.40 # TCC771L 15.14.53 # Zagor, yep 15.16.59 # markun: hangaround a couple of years ago, he still drops by 15.17.01 # markun: why? 15.17.18 # Nico_P: I _think_ many of the hacks in the current playback code were introduced to fix things that were not thought about when creating it so I would suggest some serious planning before you start rewriting it all 15.17.32 # nls: any comments on the vorbis patches? 15.17.48 # preglow: they give a nice speedup :-) 15.17.57 # you didn't notice anything else? tried many files? 15.18.08 # nls: I agree 15.18.18 # at least the buffering part was planned 15.18.26 # preglow: I wonder why he had to commit his unfinished plugin, and why he did it in the same commit with changes to the midi plugin 15.18.36 # I listened to an album or so yesterday and didn't notice any bugs but I can do more testing 15.18.51 # markun: which unfinished plugin? 15.19.05 # beatbox 15.19.10 # preglow: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=14863 15.19.44 # well, he does ask 15.19.48 # are we against half-baked plugs? 15.19.52 # he could have asked in here 15.19.58 # markun: I assume his MIDI changes were intended for the beatbox plugin 15.20.04 # Nico_P: ah 15.20.23 # markun: still, he didn't. now, do we have a stance on that at all? 15.20.28 Nick Gekz[PDA] is now known as Gekz[sleep] (i=gekko@owned.by.the.pico.edit0r.info) 15.21.19 # * Nico_P bbs 15.21.49 # preglow: if more than one person is working on something I think it's a good idea to commit it, even if not working 15.22.00 # if you ask me, there are plenty of plugs that are a bit half-baked in svn 15.22.07 # true :) 15.22.08 # Nico_P: Oscilloscope and vu_meter do nothing different than what the peakmeter does, they just present the data in a different way 15.22.15 # markun: i kinda think it's a good idea to commit it straight off anyway 15.22.20 # markun: but i do see your point, of course 15.22.33 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 15.24.08 # markun: actually he did ask in here but I don't think anyone answered him... 15.24.30 # nls: I'll just shut up :) 15.24.47 # nls: you don't have to do more testing, just wondering. i'll do some of my own before commiting anyway 15.25.09 # or, he could just commit them himself, i guess, he is able to 15.25.32 # preglow: I will test a bit more anyway :-) 15.25.37 # me too 15.26.49 # iirc, stevenm did come here and ask about committing it 15.27.06 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp58-83.adsl.forthnet.gr) 15.27.14 # * petur slower than nls 15.28.29 # he did say that editing worked, just not load and save... so why not enable it and say that load/save come later 15.31.02 # if they are indeed the same hardware, then the only difference between an iaudio 6 and 7 port would be an ide and a nand driver 15.31.06 # which would be good :) 15.31.12 # two targets with one stone :P 15.31.31 # stone? brick? 15.32.05 # * amiconn_ doesn't like where daps are moving feature wise nowadays 15.32.17 # petur, I really want to avoid that :P 15.32.21 # amiconn, how's that? 15.33.45 Part pondlife ("disconnected has pondlife") 15.33.56 # amiconn_: where would you rather they move? 15.34.01 # About the only hdd based dap that's widely available is the ipod (video and classic). Oterwise, mostly flash based thingies with tiny storage, annoying colour screens and touch control 15.34.34 # amiconn, well, the flash based players are now up to 16Gb 15.34.41 # colour screens are a-ok, but yeah, hd alternatives shouldn't vanish, i'll agree with that 15.34.42 # amiconn, which is what I bought 15.35.00 # amiconn_, i feel the same way :-/ 15.35.01 # * amiconn_ wants at least 80GB, more == better 15.35.16 # amiconn, I'd have preferred a hdd based player, preferably the iaudio x5l, but those aren't available anymore 15.35.17 # * petur too 15.36.06 # the latest iaudio 6 firmware is 6.8MB while the latest iaudio 7 one is 1.5MB ! 15.36.09 # E.g. this ainol thing mentioned y'day - it's more a pmp (and even more), but 4GB flash? For video??? 15.36.39 # amiconn: I guess they shoot for the games section 15.36.50 # and for games from the 90s, 4GB fits many games 15.36.51 # At least it's button controlled (a big pro compared to several other targets) 15.37.08 # amiconn, now I'll have to make a new target :) 15.37.47 # B4gder, that much difference? wow... I never bothered to check, probably a bit more difference than just an IDE driver then 15.38.02 # indeed 15.38.27 # B4gder, however, the firmware files themselves DO seem to indicate that they are both based on a telechips erm.. chip 15.39.24 # sure 15.39.55 # B4gder, perhaps the 3L then, that thing does a lot more for you than the TCC771 does 15.40.02 # running strings on both show lots of similarities 15.40.21 # so what would cause a "I0B: Line-F" on coldfire? 15.40.31 # B4gder, just looking at the header will tell you that they are both TCC firmware images ;) 15.41.12 # yes I know 15.41.18 # not to mention all the path names in the image 15.41.22 # nls: Most probably the PC running away into data. Line-F is a special kind of "defined undefined instruction" 15.41.22 # D:\work\PD\DMP77X-060119\Project\JDRM\TCC77x_JDRM_ADS_V114\modular.c line 528 15.41.44 # the _same_ path names in both firmwares 15.42.33 # how do I add an option to the settings menu? 15.42.45 # I think they are identical. why waste money remaking perfectly good boards? I bet some i7 boards even say iaudio6 15.42.58 # squidink: learn to use macro's, lots of them ;) 15.43.05 # nah, scratch the last one. they do need to make new boards. 15.43.09 # amiconn_: I got it when I tried to run the midiplay plugin with profiling enabled, any ideas where to look? 15.43.15 # petur: yikes 15.43.26 # but if they didn't use the 3 in the 6, they're not likely to have replaced the 1 on the 7. 15.44.17 Part sr ("Ex-Chat") 15.44.24 Quit CaptainSquid ("Miranda IM!") 15.44.27 # squidink: just copy and paste another setting 15.44.31 # well, the i6 has host usb, the i7 doesn't 15.44.44 # really? 15.44.47 # the i6 has OLED lcd, the i7 has TFT 15.44.55 # it says so 15.45.04 # ok, so they are a bit more different than I thought 15.45.33 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 15.45.50 Quit Thundercloud_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.46.56 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 15.46.58 # petur: yeah, am working on that. Was looking for a shortcut :) 15.47.08 # heh, it's got a reset button. that's not something you see on every mp3 player. 15.48.11 # i6 vs i7: http://images.imp3.net/article/2007/08/23/040002.jpg 15.48.16 Join Jmax_ [0] (n=jmax@c-76-110-191-18.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 15.48.35 # B4gder: OLED lcd?? 15.48.44 # well, oled screen 15.48.44 # has the sandisk s280 been known to work with rockbox? there seems to be no information regarding this model on the wiki 15.48.56 # the e2xx models do, however 15.49.26 # Jmax_: players not mentioned are not supported 15.49.51 # s200 doesn't seem to exist on sandisk's site 15.49.58 # s280 15.50.18 # well, no model is mentioned starting with s2 15.51.00 # B4gder, well, that's encouraging, they used the same SDK for both players then :) perhaps one image is stripped and the other isn't? 15.51.18 # yes, something like that 15.51.24 # the headers are clearly different though 15.51.28 # Jmax_: does it really say s280 on the back of your player? 15.51.29 # that ver: thing 15.51.37 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A4DCB.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.51.56 # oh i misread! it's an e280 15.52.03 # hahaha 15.52.06 # I thought so... 15.53.38 # or does anyone have a recommendation for an <= 250 USD player with >= 8 GB space, that is not poorly manufactured? 15.53.54 # i don't need video or any fancy stuff like that 15.53.56 Quit desowin (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.54.05 # Zagor: i7 is a TCC771L too => http://www.imp3.net/articles/3/2007_09/14965_2.html 15.54.23 Join kclaf [0] (i=kclaf@85.95.211.245) 15.54.33 # ah, you beat me to it. I was just scanning through their i7 articles... 15.54.41 # Jmax_: I'd say the sansa e280 is a fine match then 15.54.44 # <|Rain|> Jmax_: a friend of mine has rockbox on an e280 last night, and I should have an e280 arriving today 15.54.59 # <|Rain|> so yes, it works 15.54.59 # PCF50606 too 15.55.13 # B4gder: thank you sir 15.55.20 # |Rain|: ok :) thanks 15.56.34 # well, clearly a different board 15.57.32 # darnit, Iaudio7Info is not a valid wiki word 15.57.39 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 15.57.39 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 15.57.58 # in the _SETTING macros, what is cb? 15.58.19 # Philips TEA5767 tuner 15.58.26 # yes, lots of fine matches 15.58.35 # B4gder: wtwiki needs two capitalized words before a number can come 15.59.01 # -w 15.59.21 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 15.59.23 # but its hard to get that with this word 15.59.39 # CowonIaudio7Info ? 15.59.48 # oh yeah I guess 16.00.05 # thanks 16.00.19 Quit nicktastic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.00.49 Join nicktastic [0] (n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic) 16.01.34 Quit nicktastic (Client Quit) 16.02.03 Nick midkay_ is now known as midkay (n=midkay@65-101-132-152.tukw.qwest.net) 16.02.59 # what the hell 16.03.02 # i left my nano idling 16.03.11 # and now i got a prefetch abort at 0xdeadbeee 16.03.21 # ok, I started it now => http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CowonIaudio7Info 16.05.18 # those pics aren't crystal clear 16.05.52 # I googled for LW052A 16.06.00 # rockbox.org was first hit ;-) 16.07.03 # seems at least three chips are found in the h300 models 16.07.34 # is it possible/easy/desirable to access global_settings from functions in the firmware/ directory? 16.07.51 # squidink: no 16.08.03 # Zagor: no to which one? 16.08.16 # every one. global_settings is an apps thing. 16.08.33 Join nicktastic [0] (n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic) 16.08.34 # Where do I set settings which affect firmware? 16.08.38 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A96A47.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.08.49 # such as? 16.08.55 Join fink [0] (i=c27f0811@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-70e2a223d0b0b51d) 16.09.25 # squidink: he-he, I think it's possible and easy, but not desirable at all 16.09.59 # sorry, gotta run 16.09.59 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 16.10.20 # I've made some functions which sync the rockbox's clock to the PCs clock when you plug it in. I want to put an on/off switch, but it needs to be in firmware/usb.c 16.10.38 # which can't easily access settings.h 16.11.18 # Though usb charging mode is done through settings.h, but doesn't go through global_settings, but uses a callback 16.11.40 # Any ideas anyone? 16.12.19 # squidink: I think the firmware code is controlled by the app code. I.e. you should add a parameter to the fw func and pass the value from the app. My blind guess. 16.12.40 # Callback being a sort of parameter 16.14.37 # fink: the whole usb code runs as a thread, so it's not quite that easy. 16.14.48 # squidink: How is your code working? It's talking over USB? 16.16.16 Quit nicktastic ("Leaving") 16.16.23 Join vnl [0] (n=nitin@122.167.4.12) 16.16.24 # before usb mode is enabled, rockbox creates a file. Then when the computer is connected it uses autorun functionality to create another file. When usb is disconnected, the modification times of the two files are compared, an offset calculated, and correct time worked out. 16.17.22 Part vnl 16.17.40 Quit ToHellWithGA (Nick collision from services.) 16.17.48 Join ToHellWithGA [0] (n=ryan@d7-48.rb4.clm.centurytel.net) 16.18.35 Join nicktastic [0] (n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic) 16.18.47 # squidink: then you have to somehow inject a callback to that thread. The callback would then access the settings. 16.18.50 Quit fink ("CGI:IRC") 16.20.22 Join pondlife [0] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 16.20.50 # squidink: Couldn't you just do the same as the check_bootfile() function in apps/screens.c ? 16.23.00 Quit kkurbjun ("Leaving.") 16.23.32 Join RaRe [0] (n=Laffin_B@202-89-187-101.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) 16.27.19 # linuxstb: I see; that might work... I assume the SYS_USB_CONNECTED event happen before the disk is unmounted? And SYS_USB_DISCONNECTED happens once the disk is mounted again? 16.29.06 # squidink: I'm not sure exactly how the messages work, but IIUC, the check_bootfile() function reads information from the disk before entering usb mode, and reads it again after leaving usb mode, and compares. Almost exactly what you're doing. 16.30.02 Join codesquid [0] (n=codesqui@kong.kawo1.RWTH-Aachen.DE) 16.30.09 # linuxstb: correct 16.30.19 # oh yeah I see 16.30.33 Join scorche|work [0] (n=8dc5049d@st.iptel.by) 16.31.43 # should I move the functions I have into apps/misc.c or create a new file? 16.32.11 # I'd use misc.c if it isn't too much 16.32.51 # btw, using autorun will be windows only, right? 16.33.33 # * petur has autorun disabled on hix windows machines 16.33.34 # petur: ubuntu has autorun capability on the desktop; though I think you could do it with HAL for just about any linux 16.33.56 # ah 16.34.22 Quit B4gder ("It is time to say MOOO") 16.34.38 # is the LCD display on the H300 still unknown ? 16.37.43 # The lcd panel is unknown (but not very important either), the controller is long known 16.38.17 # ok 16.38.34 # hmm, this profile_reader script doesn't work very well, or I'm doing something wrong but there's next to no documentation either 16.40.04 # * amiconn_ always disables autorun on windows, for all devices 16.40.48 Join Jon-Kha [0] (n=Jon-Kha@a88-113-19-192.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 16.52.27 Part pondlife ("disconnected has pondlife") 16.53.55 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@32.141.118.53) 16.59.27 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 17.00.36 # preglow: what do you think of dynamic menu items for the gradient patch ? 17.01.07 # i.e. if you choose the "invert" or "pointer" types, no solour settings appear 17.01.13 # *coulour 17.02.31 Join sep27 [0] (i=9a143432@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-aa9bf88562d0f5c5) 17.03.15 Quit sep27 (Client Quit) 17.08.16 Join ruinedtwice [0] (n=h300@d154-20-52-50.bchsia.telus.net) 17.09.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.10.38 # Nico_P: would be better than always having them there, but also adds more code and makes manual work harder 17.10.46 # i really just want the settings in config files, not menu at all 17.12.10 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF6113.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.15.39 # hmm it's not very satisfactory anyway, as it only takes effect once the menu has been exited 17.17.16 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 17.17.24 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 17.17.53 # Nico_P: I think I would prefer them to always be there - other settings are similar, such as EQ settings which are there, even if EQ is off. (IIRC) 17.18.19 # yeah, i'd go for that as well 17.18.25 # just simpler, overall 17.18.30 # indeed : 17.18.33 # :) 17.18.33 # i don't know of many programs that do menus that way 17.19.49 # so can I commit with the settings for now and maybe remove them afterwards ? 17.20.01 # Honestly, new options automagically appearing is something I see most often in like... forms on webpages 17.20.39 # I think there shouldn't be any setting that's not user-settable (without using a text editor) somehow unless it's controlled by a file (WPS, icons, colours) 17.21.24 # but we have so huge menus :/ 17.21.28 # Llorean: I agree, although theme settings are a borderline case - once we get more and more theme settings, the current settings menus aren't ideal... 17.21.34 Join pondlife [0] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 17.21.36 # indeed 17.21.55 # maybe move all the theming settings in a separate settings tree next to general settings 17.21.57 # also dionoea said he found the names confusing... I was thinking of changing "Line Selector Start Colour" to "Line Selector Main Coulour" and "Line Selector End Colour" to "Line Selector Gradient Second Colour"... what do you think ? 17.21.59 # one thing is users get confused, another thing is the menu code gets frigging huger 17.22.21 # Nico_P: that doesn't sound any less confusing to me, that's for sure 17.22.39 # * petur waits for the settings-in-a-plugin discussion to come up again 17.22.45 # hehe :) the problem is the solid coulour setting only used the "main" coulour 17.23.00 # linuxstb: Yeah, I think if we actually do integrated "Themes" and to an extent give up on the by part idea (keeping WPS separate from the rest of the theme, etc) future settings can be more hidden. 17.23.01 # oh, well then that is confusing 17.23.04 # petur: I added a "theme editor plugin" to SoC2008... 17.23.13 # I saw 17.23.30 # petur: agree or disagree? 17.23.34 Join Temik [0] (n=temik@77.51.21.11) 17.23.49 # preglow: do you have a suggestion ? 17.24.38 # linuxstb: Basically it'd be a way to modify a lot of the "extras" of a theme, like adding to the iconset or changing the extension colors etc? 17.26.03 # Nico_P: why do you need a separate solid colour setting, wouldn't you just set the start and end colour to the same colour? 17.26.21 Quit FOAD ("I'll be back") 17.26.29 # nls: that could work but it would be quite inefficient 17.26.32 # nls: Faster UI? 17.26.34 # Llorean: I imaging it as being everything theme-related, so including fg/bg colours, status bar on/off, icons etc etc. 17.26.34 # linuxstb: it would solve the above discussion and I'm all for it... 17.26.38 # start and end color made me think the gradient is from left to right 17.26.54 # s/imaging/imagine/ 17.27.07 # linuxstb: Honestly, I personally would prefer Font, Foreground and Background color remain in the main menus (though possibly still also be available through that) 17.27.08 # Nico_P: nope :/ 17.27.10 # * preglow brb 17.27.10 # pixelma: I'm thinking of Main and Second but am open to better proposals 17.27.24 # Since those three, at least, can be rather independent of the theme (or usable with no theme set at all. 17.27.57 # Nico_P: Maybe primary and secondary rather than "main" and "second"? 17.28.04 # nice 17.28.14 # Nico_P: well, You could detect that the colours are the same and take the same solid colour shortcuts as you do now 17.28.25 # nls: That's a good idea. 17.28.25 Quit TMM ("Ik ga weg") 17.28.26 # linuxstb, Llorean, preglow: if you have any remarks on the GSoC2007 roundup wiki page, please edit it, I'll send its link on the mentor mailing list tonight (unless somebody else wants to do that) 17.29.14 # markun too... 17.29.38 # petur: I have a remark... I don't think should have "replaced" the current voice system... (and could not everywhere) 17.29.52 # tts, I meant... 17.30.06 # petur: What's the URL? 17.30.10 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@hdp186.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 17.30.22 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GsocRoundup2007 17.30.24 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-069-134-102-044.nc.res.rr.com) 17.30.44 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 17.30.47 # pixelma: well if I got that wrong, change it.... ;) 17.31.19 # nls, Llorean: is it really necessary ? IMHO it doesn't change much 17.31.39 # petur: I'll check later. Have to go now. 17.31.43 # by that I mean it wouldn't be a big saving 17.31.43 # ok 17.32.04 # Nico_P: no, it's not necessary but IMO would make the settings simpler 17.32.28 # Nico_P: Not necessary at all, just kinda nice. :) 17.32.32 # nls: it would just remove one selector type 17.32.45 # less settings == simpler 17.32.45 Join webguest40 [0] (i=c730180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-fceb062a1eef143a) 17.33.25 # pixelma: get a chance to try the usb reboot? I see it didn't work for Zagor. 17.33.25 # petur: Looks good to me on a brief read. :) 17.33.35 Part webguest40 17.33.37 # maybe I'll do it as another commit, but I have to admit I'd like to be done with this one for a bit :) 17.33.48 # Nico_P: "Primary" and "Secondary" color could be good enough 17.33.57 # I like these too 17.33.58 # I've make a library function localtime() which does the opposite of mktime() - should I include it as an independent patch or bundle it with what I wrote it for? 17.34.08 Join low_light [0] (i=c730180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3ba1b24ba38efd3f) 17.34.30 # dionoea: primary implies rellay well thet it will be used for the solid colour setting 17.34.55 # pixelma: that was me :) 17.35.06 # yup 17.35.40 # low_light: I figured; you could have simply changed the nick ;) haven't tried yet but will do now 17.37.20 # I still think that the custom line selector (except solid colors) would be easier as a user supplied bitmap 17.37.37 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 17.37.45 # I know scaling is a problem, but icons don't scale 17.37.56 Quit FOAD (Client Quit) 17.38.29 # low_light: It could even not be user-settable (except in the way backdrops are), and reset itself to the default upon font changes. 17.38.31 # what if I want a double gradient effect? 17.39.22 # just have it as part of the theme, like icons 17.39.23 # Nico_P: next step is making it draw nice circular corners 17.39.30 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 17.39.30 # low_light: it freees for me too and have to hard power off 17.39.36 # *freezes 17.39.43 # freezes when? 17.39.44 # I'll have a look once you commit the current version 17.39.47 # squidink: IMO you can just include it in the same patch - it wouldn't get committed by itself anyway (we don't add functions that aren't being used). 17.40.05 # dionoea: That too would be covered with bitmaps 17.40.28 # Like use a bitmap as the selector bar ? 17.41.06 # Yep 17.41.20 # low_light: when I plug the usb cable - rockbox shows its "usb screen", status bar shows "disk" activity and buttonlight turns up. Then it stays this way even if I unplug again 17.41.31 # It doesn't scale at all to font size changes, or screen size changes, so it's more restricted in that area, but the number of effects you can accomplish with it is greatly increased. 17.41.31 # Isn't drawing uniform horrizontal lines more efficient than drawing a bitmap ? 17.41.50 # (in terms of speed) 17.42.10 # I imagine it is, yes. 17.42.16 # but yeah, i agree that using bitmaps could be cool 17.42.47 # Or maybe do something like the Mac OS X dock to highlight the selected item :D 17.42.50 # But people want *menu transitions* and those are slow just because you have to wait for them to happen, so it's pretty clear most of the "pretty" people aren't in the same circle on the diagram as the "fast" people, and the overlap isn't huge 17.43.06 # committed :) 17.43.08 # agreed 17.43.48 # * Nico_P braces for the red delta on colour targets 17.44.04 # ah, you didn't change the s->invert stuff i mentioned in my comment :( 17.44.48 # dionoea: no, it created too much complexity IMHO... that member is also used by B&W targets 17.45.11 # * linuxstb booted into his ipod Color's OF the other day and had forgotton how slow and annoying the UI is, with menu transitions 17.45.45 # Well it was only copying the style integer value and using an &0xE0000000 in the switch 17.45.53 # dionoea: and it's useful to be able to test its nullity 17.46.05 # yeah ... maybe. 17.46.32 # Changing the 0, 1, 2, 3 values to a value in an enum would increase readability a bit 17.46.38 # Nico_P: Are you going to close the patch too? :) 17.46.46 # sure 17.46.53 # Currently you have to browse up in the code to know what the 1, 2 and 3 refer to 17.47.22 Join bluebrother [0] (i=xEOhK400@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 17.47.25 # linuxstb: You should see it on the iPod Classic. I tried one at the store, and it was completely unusable. 17.47.29 # *grrr* 17.47.42 # another bug report against an unsupported build. hmpf. 17.48.18 # Is the Classic underpowered then? Worse than the 5.5G? 17.48.52 # pondlife: I think it's powered just fine. 17.48.57 # Bagder: can we add a "we do not support modified builds" to the new task page? 17.49.12 # pondlife: They transitions are just slow and akward 17.49.18 # The Nano 3G is a bit better, but it's still pretty horrid. 17.49.33 # bluebrother: Which task was it? 17.49.34 # pondlife: I would expect it to be much higher-powered than the 5.5G... 17.49.50 # I heard coverflow is sluggish as hell too 17.49.54 # Llorean: FS#7842. Got closed already (not by me) 17.50.15 # I'm just curious, I didn't notice it. 17.50.23 # It wasn't even a bug report really 17.50.43 # Deserved closing for multiple reasons! 17.51.06 # * pondlife waits for a delta... 17.51.10 # yep. But someone filing a task and then revealing that it's not an official build only upon request later really pisses me off. 17.51.30 # maybe I'm a bit in a bad mood right now, but nevertheless ... 17.52.07 # Wooh, +1918 17.52.09 # hmm 2k on colour targets... :( 17.52.10 # Maybe we should require an SVN revision with the task. Add a new entry in the form. 17.52.40 # Good idea 17.52.59 # we could also add a new values to the "reported version" field and auto-reject all tasks that are not against the current build ;-) 17.53.00 # Can we validate the range too, to make sure it's not a silly number? 17.53.02 Quit ToHellWithGA (Nick collision from services.) 17.53.04 # pondlife: I guess with added settings and lang strings a solid increase was to be expected 17.53.10 Join ToHellWithGA [0] (n=ryan@d1-15.rb2.clm.centurytel.net) 17.53.11 # require an svn revision for a bug report ? 17.53.21 # ah, like the rev of the current build ? 17.53.32 # yep. 17.53.36 # Yes, at the time of the report... 17.53.47 # bluebrother: If it's <5 revisions old, we should probably still accept it, since those can be pumped out while you're typing your task description, or even copying over a build. 17.54.04 # we could aotumatically parse the date part and if it's older than a couple of days reject it. 17.54.05 # hopefully it will make people wonder whether they are using SVN and whether it's a recent version 17.54.37 # and filter all version strings with that nice "M" in it. 17.55.10 # Well... 17.55.19 # * bluebrother has another idea ... 17.55.20 # I think every now and then the official build servers pump out one with an M 17.55.36 # there are a few of the current builds that have the M in it 17.55.50 # parse the version string and if it indicates a modified version add an "unsupported" to the version string 17.56.11 Quit pondlife ("disconnected has pondlife") 17.56.27 # at least there were 17.56.27 # but why does this happen? It shouldn't at all. 17.56.39 # bluebrother: It's a failure somewhere. 17.56.53 # But we shouldn't reject reports due to our failures. 17.57.08 # right ... 17.57.19 # I think it had to do with the bash/dash issue? 17.57.38 # I'm wondering if it's possible to add something unique that indicates official builds 17.58.12 # hmm -- how are the revision numbers on the download page generated? From the rockbox-info.txt files in the archives? 17.59.05 Quit Rick (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.59.32 Join Rick [0] (i=rick@pool-96-229-77-230.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 17.59.40 # it would really be interesting to know which servers produce the M builds and what's the cause ... 18.00.34 Part Llorean 18.00.52 # pixelma: btw, I fixed some issues with device detection for the archos in rbutil ... in case you want to try ;-) 18.01.27 # well... my OndioFM was already detected correctly 18.01.34 # :) 18.01.47 # when I tried last week 18.01.57 # it should now be possible to detect all archoses ... to bad I don't one any. 18.02.13 # but if anyone wants to test please let me know 18.05.05 # a big delta just for a gradiented selctor bar :\ 18.05.13 # *selector 18.07.44 # * bluebrother wonders why the mini has a red delta 18.08.30 Join Gibbed [0] (i=rick@pool-96-229-77-230.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 18.08.34 Quit Rick (Nick collision from services.) 18.08.48 Nick Gibbed is now known as Rick (i=rick@pool-96-229-77-230.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 18.10.55 # bluebrother: it's avery small one 18.11.00 Quit petur ("work->home") 18.11.37 # pixelma: the delta is actually mostly for the settings and associated lang strings 18.11.49 Quit ToHellWithGA ("You know you'll miss me a lot.") 18.11.52 Quit amiconn_ ("CGI:IRC") 18.12.18 # Nico_P: yep ... but doesn't the change only affect color targets? 18.12.27 # it should 18.12.38 # that's why I'm wondering 18.13.27 # but what do you think about an underline cursor? 18.13.45 # could be nice, yes 18.14.53 # could also give the possiblilty to underline arbitrary text. 18.15.05 # I guess quite some users would like that for the wps ;-) 18.15.19 Quit obo ("bye") 18.16.42 Quit Rick (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.16.48 Join Rick [0] (i=rick@pool-96-229-77-230.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 18.17.43 Quit scorche|work ("CGI:IRC") 18.18.01 Join scorche|work [0] (n=8dc5049d@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 18.24.28 Join Gibbed [0] (i=rick@pool-96-229-77-230.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 18.24.32 Quit Rick (Nick collision from services.) 18.24.46 Nick Gibbed is now known as Rick (i=rick@pool-96-229-77-230.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 18.26.02 Join darkapostrophe [0] (n=darkapos@217-50-177.231210.adsl.tele2.no) 18.30.38 Quit FOAD ("I'll be back") 18.30.52 Join Gibbed [0] (i=rick@pool-96-229-77-230.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 18.30.56 Quit Rick (Nick collision from services.) 18.31.10 Nick Gibbed is now known as Rick (i=rick@pool-96-229-77-230.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 18.36.01 # pixelma: can you try this patch and see if reboot works? http://rafb.net/p/B4gZdr24.html 18.36.45 # sure, just a moment (compiling something else right now) 18.38.21 # Hello! I need help. When i build UISimulator on FreeBSD get error - /rockbox/build-sim/apps/codecs/vorbis.o: could not read symbols: Bad value 18.38.39 # Platform AMD64 18.38.42 # I can't charge my battery and listen to my sansa at the same time, can I? 18.39.07 # petur: roundup looks good to me 18.39.53 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 18.40.13 Nick pabs_ is now known as pabs (n=pabs@ip68-100-204-252.dc.dc.cox.net) 18.40.16 Quit Dark_Apostrophe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.40.17 Nick darkapostrophe is now known as Dark_Apostrophe (n=darkapos@217-50-177.231210.adsl.tele2.no) 18.43.11 # the new line selector options definitely clutter stuff up 18.43.54 Join nico__ [0] (n=nico@ip-213-49-235-243.dsl.scarlet.be) 18.43.59 # Nico_P: but it looks damned good 18.44.17 # :) 18.44.36 # ehh 18.44.38 # it's buggy 18.44.47 # when the line scrolled, the bar was really corrupted 18.45.07 # does the patch handle line scrolling at all? :> 18.45.22 # it should... 18.45.28 # Shouldn't the title in the Line Selector XXX Colour settings screen scroll? 18.45.28 # what targetre you testing on 18.45.29 # ? 18.45.34 # Nico_P: nano 18.45.34 Quit Chronon ("Client exited") 18.46.01 # * Nico_P builds a sim 18.46.29 # * preglow decides the time has come for a larger font 18.46.46 Quit XavierGr (Remote closed the connection) 18.47.00 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp58-83.adsl.forthnet.gr) 18.48.02 # preglow: scrolling lines work fine on my gigabeat 18.48.11 # I'll check s soon as the nano sim is built 18.48.56 # we really need prettier scrollbars too 18.49.56 # haha, man oh man, i ended up on helvetica 18.50.16 # * low_light mumbles something about custom bitmaps for these things (selectors, scrollbars, etc) 18.50.46 # a proper font, gradient bar, some nicer icons and a good scrollbar and rockbox wouldn't look half-bad, really 18.51.19 # preglow: ah I've managed to reproduce... I had this before. it occurs when the primary colour's rgb values are greater than the secondary colour's. I thought I had fixed it though 18.52.07 # Nico_P: damn, you just gave me some hope for a prettier rockbox, not bad 18.52.20 # :) 18.52.22 # got a patch here that makes bubbles use one background bmp instead of a left and sometimes a right one. I think that's easier to handle - do I overlook something? Any objections? 18.52.26 # want a gradient scrollbar ? :p 18.52.32 # haha :D 18.52.51 # pixelma: certainly not an objection 18.53.16 # * Nico_P tried to adapt bubbles to the gigabeat screen and it was a nightmare because of the bitmaps 18.53.33 # the nano screen has sucky colours :/ 18.54.19 Quit amiconn (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- s0 d4Mn l33t |t'z 5c4rY!") 18.54.42 Join Gibbed [0] (i=rick@pool-96-229-77-230.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 18.54.46 Quit Rick (Nick collision from services.) 18.55.00 Nick Gibbed is now known as Rick (i=rick@pool-96-229-77-230.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 18.55.04 # grah, the wps font and the menu fonts has to be the same :/ 18.56.08 # Nico_P: started that once too, but gave up when I didn't find the cause why my drawing the board with a y-offset didn't work correctly - still have a mockup here (maybe I'll pick that up later again) 18.56.11 # anyone planning to fix that? :V 18.56.42 # pixelma: keep in mind that the bitmaps for the bubbles aren't drawn transparently but rather they are squares with the same background color as the background in the game 18.57.10 # petur: the mob entry is a bit wrong, though, a fixed number of files can have their metadata loaded, not only one file 18.57.13 # doesn't matter for the background - and it doesn't change the look at all 18.57.23 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 18.57.41 # preglow: I think I've fixed it 18.57.45 # pixelma: ah just in case you made it look different 18.57.57 # preglow: I mean the buggy scrolling 18.58.21 # Nico_P: yeah, understood that 18.58.57 # nls: also I already discovered that, I also prepared the c200 version... ;) 18.59.21 # for once in my frigging life, i actually WANT to try my hand at some gui code 19.00.03 # low_light: good news... reboot from a running rockbox to OF works with that patch :) 19.00.32 Quit nico__ ("This computer has gone to sleep") 19.00.43 # amiconn: is the full 0-255% range really necessary for stereo width? 19.00.58 # it's bloody boring to scroll from 100% to 255% 19.01.20 # i'd say a 5% increment should be enough 19.01.43 Quit scorche|work ("CGI:IRC") 19.02.39 # preglow: fix committed 19.02.42 Join streather [0] (n=provehit@cpc2-nthc13-0-0-cust54.nrth.cable.ntl.com) 19.02.45 # Nico_P: will test 19.03.12 # pixelma: it's magic :) 19.05.33 # preglow: the scrollbar widget would be a nice thing to make prettier, as it's used in plenty of places 19.05.36 # Nico_P: fixed 19.05.42 # cool :) 19.06.19 # pixelma: if you can do some testing...try commenting out the pp_i2c_send command to turn off the backlight 19.06.30 # preglow: I hope you don't mind me not writing your full name in the commit message... "preglow" was shorter ;) 19.07.05 # can't say i care much, heh 19.07.12 # i'm cool as long as the bug's fixed 19.07.21 # pixelma: and separately try the OF magic number with the pp_i2c_send command (since we know it didn't work without it) 19.07.49 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@e176240040.adsl.alicedsl.de) 19.08.14 # oh my... 19.08.18 # pixelma: Zagor will have to test too, since he seemed to indicate that reboot was ok, but it wouldn't load the OF after reboot 19.08.20 # low_light: where? Hard for me to keep an overview ATM as I'm working on my own changes at the same time 19.09.11 # <|Rain|> oi. what's the recommended version of gcc for PP-based platforms? I'm starting to think I have a knack for triggering gcc bugs 19.09.18 # 4.0.2, afaik 19.09.27 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 19.09.33 # just use rockboxdev.sh, that does what you need 19.09.34 # pixelma: system_reboot() in firmware/target/arm/system-pp502x.c 19.09.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.09.45 # |Rain|: 4.0.3 19.09.56 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@87.9.171.71) 19.10.01 # amiconn: did you see my stereo width question? 19.10.07 # yes 19.10.27 # Why not keep the 1% steps? They don't hurt... 19.10.38 # they do, it takes ages to scroll from 100% to 255% 19.10.46 # and when something takes ages, something is wrong 19.10.51 # from a user interface point of view 19.10.52 # <|Rain|> I'm using 4.0.4... I wonder whether I'm just that unlucky 19.11.11 # |Rain|: why haven't you used rockboxdev.sh ? 19.11.14 # Sure not ages... 19.11.47 # * amiconn thinks that it's quite fast 19.12.16 # amiconn: took eight seconds here, on h120 19.12.19 # amiconn: slower on ipods 19.12.25 # <|Rain|> GodEater: it was easier to build the cross-compiler myself to keep it with my other cross compilers 19.13.12 # 7 seconds on ipod for me... 19.13.17 # preglow: isn't there a page-down keypress 19.13.28 # low_light: don't know, and if there is, i doubt most people know about it 19.13.35 # amiconn: still, that's too lonmg, if you ask me 19.13.48 # amiconn: and is the difference between 50 and 55% really very audible? 19.14.03 # to my ears: almost not at all 19.14.21 # Maybe not much. But I like high precision :) 19.14.26 # heh 19.14.28 # i do too 19.14.39 # but not when it comes at the expense of being able to use something without being annoyed 19.14.48 # The limit at 255% is historical, btw 19.14.55 # ahh, yeah, i figured 19.15.14 # (from the old bit based settings saving. Maxed out 8 bits) 19.15.35 # but 255% _does_ result in a 255% stereo expansion, yes? 19.15.41 # yes 19.15.52 # then i don't really see a problem with it 19.16.10 # <|Rain|> hooray! now the rockbox wiki is telling me to go take a flying leap 19.16.12 # might as well expand it to 300% for all i care, what i care about are the tiny steps 19.16.32 # Users might wonder about the strange steps. I'd say either 250% or 300% would be better 19.16.45 # s/steps/limit/ 19.16.49 # yeah 19.16.50 # agreed 19.17.15 # Perhaps 5% steps are sufficient, need to try. I only ever use 120% 19.17.16 # and i'd rather go up than down, but a ten second scroll is just too much for me, so i'd rather not go 300% unless the steps get bigger 19.17.26 # amiconn: please do, i'd love to shorten it 19.17.39 # ehh, not shorten, the other thing :P 19.17.50 # low_light: commented that line out, the reboot still works here :) 19.18.38 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 19.18.39 # anyway, i need to go shop some stuff 19.18.40 # brb 19.18.42 Quit BigBambi_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.26.42 # pixelma: interesting...that combination freezes my c200 as you described earlier :/ 19.28.39 # that is BL magic = freeze, but backlight off + BL magic = OK 19.28.46 Join Gibbed [0] (i=rick@pool-96-229-77-230.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 19.28.50 Quit Rick (Nick collision from services.) 19.29.04 Nick Gibbed is now known as Rick (i=rick@pool-96-229-77-230.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 19.29.38 Join funky_ [0] (n=repulse@81.202.252.240.dyn.user.ono.com) 19.30.13 # Nico_P: I don't get the new settings - one has to set the selector type to gradient one level deeper than the colours for it? 19.30.42 # pixelma: I don't understand your question 19.30.56 # "one level deeper" especially 19.31.03 # low_light, pixelma: Do you think it makes sense to lower the c200 lcd colour depth in order to speed things up? 19.31.33 # The lcd could do 12bit (4096 colours), with 3 bytes for 2 pixels instead of 4, speeding things up by ~33% 19.32.12 # Nico_P: choosing the selector type is in "lcd settings > selector type" while setting the gradient colours would be in "lcd settings" 19.32.15 Join TMM [0] (n=hp@ip565b35da.direct-adsl.nl) 19.32.49 # pixelma: all the settings are in "lcd settings", including the "selector type" 19.32.51 # that doesn't make sense IMO 19.34.14 # "selector type" is a first setting and the colour settings are right after it... what's wrong with that ? 19.34.43 # if one sees the color settings and doesn't know they are related to the selector type, s/he sets it and nothing would happen, or? 19.34.57 # you'd want the colour settings to be in a submenu of "gradient" ? 19.35.22 # no, but maybe at least in the selector settings 19.35.32 # ? 19.35.48 # there is no selector settings menu 19.36.04 Part streather 19.36.07 # huh? 19.36.12 # * Nico_P is confused 19.36.12 # someone needs to reorder the menus anyway. 19.36.46 # maybe I should give it a try over the weekend -- wanted to do this sometime anyway 19.37.58 # * amiconn thinks that pixelma is confusing something 19.38.07 # Rockbox has no concept of "sub options" 19.38.15 Quit Rick (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.38.38 Join scorche|work [0] (n=8dc5049d@st.iptel.by) 19.38.38 Join Rick [0] (i=rick@pool-96-229-77-230.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 19.39.24 # maybe, but if I wouldn't discuss here, I might miss the connection between the selector type "gradient" and the colour settings for it :\ 19.40.13 # Then you would miss the connection between "Stereo Width" and the Channel configuration set to "Custom" the same way? 19.40.20 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 19.40.31 # I often do, yes 19.42.35 # * amiconn actually likes this settings independency 19.43.00 # It allows to prepare values for a certain feature, and only enable it when needed/wanted 19.45.15 # do we have our fnt format documented somewhere or only in the source? 19.46.06 # maybe it has some advantages and it didn't bother me much but not very intuitive (at least to my way of thinking) 19.47.40 Join Gibbed [0] (i=rick@pool-96-229-77-230.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 19.47.44 Quit Rick (Nick collision from services.) 19.47.58 Nick Gibbed is now known as Rick (i=rick@pool-96-229-77-230.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 19.48.27 # amiconn: I made a simple counter for buffer misses in the midiplay plugin and disabled cpu boosting, when compiling with -O2 i get 23% fewer misses on a test track :-) 19.48.27 # I need help! When i build UISimulator on FreeBSD amd64 get error - /usr/bin/ld: /usr/home/temik/rockbox/build-sim/apps/codecs/vorbis.o: relocation R_X86_64_32S can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC 19.50.10 # low_light: interesting, do you think it's different hardware or OF revisions or something else? 19.50.59 # bluebrother: Btw, it seems you didn't read the log 19.51.25 # The recorder v2 ID is *only* 2; the archos website provides a wrong firmware 19.51.39 # (which would never run on a v2) 19.51.54 Quit ruinedtwice () 19.51.59 # Temik: is -fPIC icluded on the GCCOPTS line in your /usr/home/temik/rockbox/build-sim/Makefile ? 19.52.59 # amiconn: oh, ok. 19.53.13 # no, haven't found the time to read the logs. Will do now. 19.53.20 # nls: No 19.53.35 # Temik: does it work if you add it? 19.54.06 # * bluebrother goes fixing 19.55.07 # bluebrother: The archos website provides the OndioFM v1.32b firmware as "v2". This is clearly identifiable because it's so huge compared to normal archos firmwares 19.55.11 # pixelma: I have no idea. I guess I'll go with the first patch as it works for both of us...I'll wait for Zagor to test 19.55.17 # 1.32b contains a flash upgrade, hence its size 19.55.56 # low_light: Did you see my question regarding c200 lcd colour depth? 19.56.25 # amiconn: I have not objection to lowering the color depth. The c200 screen isn't that great anyway. 19.56.26 # bluebrother: Rockbox' .fnt format is based on microwindows (called Nano-X nowadays), but evolved since 19.56.50 # but I'm sure someone will want to use mpegplayer on the c200 19.56.55 # That's because the rockbox font code was originally written by the microwindows author 19.57.17 # low_light: Yes, and that might work better when there's less data to move 19.57.40 # Dithering will help to avoid banding 19.57.53 Join RaZorbacK [0] (n=BOFHIRC@gar31-1-82-66-75-34.fbx.proxad.net) 19.58.00 Join Arathis_ [0] (n=doerk@p508A4DCB.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.58.02 # hi 19.58.17 # The framebuffer would still be 16 bit for easier handling, just the format would be XRGB4444 instead of RGB565 19.58.25 # (X == dontcare) 19.58.39 # nls: Thank you! 19.58.57 # low_light: ok, sure - fwiw mine's running the 1.00.04F sansa firmware (didn't change the one it came with) 19.59.02 Quit Rick (Connection reset by peer) 19.59.05 # i've just updated to a new revision but i would like to revert without loosing the functionnalities of the patches i've applied. is there a way ? 19.59.15 # amiconn: thanks :) 19.59.32 Join Arathis__ [0] (n=doerk@p508A73AF.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.59.39 Quit Arathis__ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.59.45 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul) 19.59.56 Join Rick [0] (i=rick@pool-96-229-77-230.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 20.00.09 Join Arathis__ [0] (n=doerk@p508A73AF.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.00.31 # <|Rain|> figures, the 'officially sanctioned' version of gcc is doing the same thing to me :/ 20.00.33 # Temik: np, it seems the configure script only adds the -fPIC flag if it gets "x86_64" back from "uname -m" could you run that command and see wht it outputs? 20.00.41 # amiconn: I'd like to see how the quality would be then 20.01.12 Join theclaw [0] (n=theclaw@unaffiliated/theclaw) 20.01.15 # hi there :) 20.01.36 # pixelma: I've got 1.01.00...that's the "official" version according to http://www.sandisk.com/Retail/Default.aspx?CatID=1376 20.02.02 # RaZorbacK: "svn up -r " should do it 20.02.17 Quit Arathis (Nick collision from services.) 20.02.20 Quit Arathis_ (Nick collision from services.) 20.02.26 Nick Arathis__ is now known as Arathis (n=doerk@p508A73AF.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.03.04 # pixelma: if you want to upgrade, you can get the files from zefie: http://files.zefie.com/PMP/sansa/c200/ 20.03.41 # nls: amd64 20.03.57 # low_light: I didn't care enough about the OF revision to want to upgrade ;) 20.03.58 # Temik: just like that "amd64" ? 20.04.05 # yes 20.04.09 # ok, thanks 20.04.10 # what is "gradient colour"? i'm trying to translate 20.04.18 # please 20.04.20 # [temik@dhcppc0 ~]$ uname -m 20.04.20 # amd64 20.04.20 # [temik@dhcppc0 ~]$ 20.05.02 # nls: ok thx 20.05.18 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@83.233.243.132) 20.05.55 # low_light, sandisk did have 1.01.05 but they remove msc mode and people got mad so that is why they went back to 1.01.00 i read right 20.05.57 Join pabs_ [0] (n=pabs@xor.pablotron.org) 20.05.57 # pixelma: just curious if it effects this reboot issue. The OF bootloader could use different hardware settings. I suppose I could try too. 20.06.51 Join obo [0] (n=obo@rockbox/developer/obo) 20.07.00 # low_light: yeah, would be an interesting test 20.07.22 # advcomp2019: yes I saw those on zefie's site. 20.09.57 Join Redbreva [0] (n=chatzill@host86-133-124-231.range86-133.btcentralplus.com) 20.11.53 Join sin613 [0] (n=pbarton@dsl-134-129-144-51.und.nodak.edu) 20.12.11 # Temik: could you try the change to the configure script I just committed to svn, just do a "svn up" and rerun configure for your sim to see if -fPIC is now included? 20.12.36 Join florinp3 [0] (i=florinp3@89.136.138.152) 20.13.57 Join massiveH [0] (n=haunman@pool-72-76-34-145.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) 20.14.21 Join Wiwie [0] (n=goddi@86-40-251-184.b-ras2.lmk.limerick.eircom.net) 20.15.10 # nls: I badly understand how can do it? (Sorry for english, I'm from Russia) 20.16.11 # Temik: update from svn, run configure again and see if it now includes -fPIC on the GCCOPTS line in the Makefile 20.17.23 # nls: I'm build from SVN. -fPIC not include 20.17.53 Quit pabs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.17.58 # Temik: yes, but I committed a fix 5 minutes ago 20.18.02 # amiconn: what's the burst mode mentioned in the lcd datasheet? 20.18.10 # just want to see if it really works 20.18.28 # nls: )))) 20.18.48 # low_light: Well, it is burst mode. It would be faster - if we could control the cycle time of the PP's lcd bridge 20.19.37 # ok...I guess I just meant to ask if it was something we could use 20.20.19 # But if we knew how to control that cycle time, lcd updates on c200 (and greyscale ipods) could be made a lot faster than now - without needing burst mode 20.23.35 # nls: -fPIC present 20.23.36 # I am talking about an order of magnitude here - compare greyscale ipod lcd framerates with H1x0, and you see what I mean... 20.23.40 Join Frazz [0] (n=Fraser@thelawsons.plus.com) 20.23.45 # Temik: greak, thanks! :-) 20.23.52 # s/greak/great 20.24.28 # nls: What is-fPIC? 20.25.34 # Temik: it tells the linker to make the binaries position independent so i guess it means "Position Independent Code" or something 20.26.02 # nls: Thanks 20.27.30 Join Buschel [0] (n=abc@p54A3D8CE.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.29.43 # <|Rain|> anyone know what the odds of the bootloader legitimately hitting MAX_NUM_TICK_TASKS is? I'm pretty sure I'm dealing with yet another gcc bug, but I'm not sure, since i in tick_add_task was really 8 and not something that looked completely bogus 20.30.29 # <|Rain|> (of course, if I make the panicf at the end of tick_add_task print the addresses of each function, the panic doesn't even occur) 20.30.38 # * bluebrother found FontFormat :) 20.32.01 # |Rain|: Tick tasks must not be used in the bootloader as they require interrupts to be enabled 20.34.50 Nick pabs_ is now known as pabs (n=pabs@xor.pablotron.org) 20.36.24 Join kubiixaka [0] (n=Miranda@ip-89-103-17-41.karneval.cz) 20.36.24 Join przemhb [0] (n=przemhb@fan115.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 20.37.50 Quit Wiwie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.41.20 # Greetings 20.41.30 # I like the new gradient line selector 20.42.59 # <|Rain|> amiconn: how am I allegedly ending up with 8, then? hopefully the table is just uninitialized... 20.43.35 Quit xoring (Remote closed the connection) 20.43.57 # <|Rain|> that gives me a little more to work with, anyway... thanks 20.44.16 # hello everybody 20.44.21 # regarding: B#7510 20.44.43 # I can lend my iPod Nano to a developer 20.44.52 # I live in the EU 20.45.03 # (Romania) 20.45.10 # nls: gcc 4.3 doesn't generate very good code in mdct.c, so some assembler I had tried earlier was useful now. Sped things up by about 5%. Still some ways to go... 20.45.34 Join BigBambi [0] (n=alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 20.45.52 # Lear: good news, was that with tomals patches or without? 20.46.07 # All without. 20.46.58 # ok, well it's not too late to hope they fix these regressions although the chanses are probably pretty slim... 20.47.15 # nls, -fprofile-arcs did work, but it didn't create all datafiles, possibly due to sim not closing how it requires 20.47.40 Join BigBambi_ [0] (n=alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 20.47.42 Quit Isolinear (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.48.09 # Lear: maybe that's why libmad is so indifferent, because of the fast asm idct (or whatever it is) 20.48.42 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.48.43 # tumu: so, did it tell you anything helpfull? also what target do you have? 20.49.08 # nls, no, it didn't because of missing datafile and i have e200 20.49.33 Quit BigBambi (Nick collision from services.) 20.49.41 Nick BigBambi_ is now known as BigBambi (n=alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 20.49.44 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 20.49.56 Join BigBambi_ [0] (n=alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 20.50.49 # tumu: as I told you yesterday, rockbox has on target profiling support, but for arm you would have to adapt the processing script. Maybe that would be useful? 20.51.10 Quit BigBambi_ (Nick collision from services.) 20.51.17 Join Wiwie [0] (n=goddi@86-41-108-212.b-ras2.lmk.limerick.eircom.net) 20.51.28 # nls: Possibly, but AAC is much faster... But gcc does silly things here, IMHO. 20.51.31 Join BigBambi_ [0] (n=alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 20.51.50 # silly fast? ;-) 20.51.56 Quit kubiix (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.52.15 # nls, it would as well, but the gcc one should also work if someone took a look at the sim what it does wrong in the exiting 20.53.15 # kinda stupid to create specialized solutions for already available things :) 20.53.30 # tumu, jhMikeS was digging around the sim not long ago maybe he knows what needs to be done? 20.54.03 # well the rockbox profiling is a port of some library IIRC 20.54.44 Quit BigBambi_ (Remote closed the connection) 20.55.38 # are anyone planning on coding support for different fonts on different screens? i want the wps font to be able to be different to the menu font 20.56.27 # hrmph! 20.57.32 # surely, expecting the same font to be usable both places is silly, the wps might have to pack more information into one screen than menus 20.58.45 # nobody wants a Nano? 20.58.50 Quit merbanan ("Leaving") 20.58.51 # amiconn? 20.59.18 # i have one 21.00.30 # can you fix B#7510? :D 21.00.40 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.00.48 # if it's about the crashing: mine isn't affected 21.01.03 # mine is 21.01.29 # that's why I'm willing to send it to someone 21.01.37 # i don't think i'd be the right persron for that 21.01.41 Join Jon-Kha_ [0] (n=Jon-Kha@80-248-247-150.cust.suomicom.fi) 21.01.53 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 21.01.55 Quit Jon-Kha ("Lost terminal") 21.02.25 # amiconn: do you have something against having separate fonts for menus and the WPS ? 21.02.35 # preglow: have you looked at the multifont patch ? 21.02.42 # Nico_P: didn't know it existed... 21.02.59 # seeing it now 21.02.59 # preglow: maybe viewports can have different fonts ;) 21.03.10 Quit theclaw ("leaving") 21.03.28 # we should decide how we want multi font support to work, though 21.04.09 # I can only imagine one thing where we actually need more than one font - the targets with lcd remote 21.04.19 # well 21.04.22 # _need_ is the wrong word 21.04.26 # Multiple fonts will need more ram 21.04.29 # we certainly don't need it 21.04.44 Quit BigBambi (Remote closed the connection) 21.04.45 # markun said that he was working on a more efficient font caching method 21.04.51 # would be cool 21.05.00 # but the fact is most people are willing to sacrifice some ram for this 21.05.03 Join BigBambi [0] (n=alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 21.05.06 # and the amount we're speaking about isn't big 21.05.07 # 100k? 21.06.02 # 100k *is* big for some targets 21.06.05 # It would be nice for the gigabeat...a smaller font in the file/list view and larger font in the wps 21.06.07 # It's in fact huge 21.06.10 # amiconn: not every target needs to have it 21.06.35 # That means more special casing in the code, which I don't like if its not needed 21.06.39 Join mue|shopping [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.230.92) 21.06.45 # then please let's fork away the archoses :( 21.06.55 # if they're going to limit everything, this will be no fun 21.06.57 # no :( 21.07.07 Nick mue|shopping is now known as muesli- (n=muesli_t@91.64.230.92) 21.07.15 Nick muesli- is now known as muesli-_ (n=muesli_t@91.64.230.92) 21.07.23 # i don't really want to either 21.07.31 # but if i can't have multifont support because of them, then i want to fork them 21.07.53 # We can probably have multifont support 21.08.03 # it's logical you can't expect a seven year old dap to support what newer ones can anyway 21.08.06 # But imo it's not a priority at all 21.08.07 # no one would expect that 21.08.28 # And if it can be done with low impact, it should be done that way 21.08.35 Join S4R [0] (i=S4R@c-24-15-58-243.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 21.08.40 # it won't happen because it's a priority, it'll happen because someone comes along and wants it enough to do it 21.08.53 # * amiconn prods markun 21.08.57 # and at that point, i don't want to say "no, stop. we're not doing that because our seven year old targets only have two megs of ram" 21.09.30 # <|Rain|> amiconn: are you sure tick_add_task is unsafe in the bootloader? I made it panic on any use in the bootloader, and the first thing it's trying to add is button_tick, which I'd think would've been noticed by now... 21.09.30 # well, sure, but i know nothing about font rendering. if low impact is possible, then surely, that's the way to go 21.09.34 # * Nico_P agrees completely 21.09.41 # i'm just assuming a fair deal of memory will be used anyway. we are talking bitmaps, after all 21.09.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.10.20 # Nah 21.10.26 # The font cache isn't that huge 21.10.32 # what size are we talking? 21.10.36 # Fonts are mono bitmaps after all 21.10.41 # pretty pictures? :D 21.10.42 # yay! 21.10.44 # I didn't see that happen with so many other features (that they were stopped because for this reason) yet 21.10.55 # -because 21.11.21 # pixelma: not saying they have, but i'd really just like to make it clear what our stance is on it 21.11.37 # can't do that unless you stress the issue a bit from time to time :) 21.12.22 # i'd like nothing more (well, perhaps a couple of things...) than developing a firmware that makes old hardware work better, but at some point we're going to struggle with limits 21.12.36 # and we'll need to decide how to handle that 21.13.25 # we're already having this performance gap with the gigabeat, and it will only widen with new targets 21.14.07 # what's the core speed of most targets? the ipods are dual 80mhz arm's right? are the older targets much slower? 21.14.09 # * Nico_P hopes to put the 500 MHz with FPU of the gigabeat S to good use 21.14.11 # pesky gigabeat :P 21.15.27 # Nico_P: man, this gradient stuff is sweeet :P 21.15.36 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 21.15.47 # TMM: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart 21.15.56 # preglow: it grows on you, doesn't it ? 21.16.04 # Nico_P: thanks 21.16.12 # grew further in this case, i liked it even from the start 21.16.19 # TMM: the coldfire targets are 124 MHz but are a lot faster than the arms in some cases and a lot slower in some 21.16.39 # i'd say the potential to make fast code is better for the coldfire, though 21.16.39 # the archos recorder is 12mhz... 21.17.09 # wow... almost 300 mhz for the gigabeat? 21.17.10 Join Jeffrey_L [0] (n=jw@163.28.50.60.kmr03-home.tm.net.my) 21.17.13 # but it doesn't have to do the decoding on the cpu 21.17.21 # I installed ubuntu feisty on a p2-350 yesterday :) 21.17.29 # eh, technacalities.... 21.17.31 # hello.. how do i reset my ipod? holding play doesnt work 21.17.43 # TMM - yeah the Gigabeat F/X is pretty quick 21.17.52 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 21.17.55 # pretty impressive 21.17.55 # TMM: now you see what I'm talking about :) 21.17.59 # Nico_P: though 2k2 size delta for the patch is kinda nasty, if you ask me 21.18.05 # Nico_P: NICE hardware :D 21.18.09 # preglow: Don't forget that the archoses are not the only low mem targets 21.18.17 # Jeffrey_L: you have to hold menu + select to reset if it's a modenish ipod 21.18.20 # amiconn: true 21.18.27 # modernish 21.18.30 # amiconn: ifp too, yeah? 21.18.30 # There's also the iFP. It progresses slowly, but it still progresses 21.18.35 # thanks god 21.18.36 # TMM: and the S has 530 MHz + FPU 21.18.38 # well, the iAudio's have 120Mhz, as does the 6 and 7. so, not all that bad :) 21.18.43 # * amiconn would like tomal to be more communicative :/ 21.19.03 # preglow: yeah, I agree it's a bit much... 500 bytes are for the menus though 21.19.05 # Nico_P: and an FPU? if it has an MMU as well, it could do with a pretty full-fledged linux port as well :) 21.19.13 # Nico_P: what a waste.... imo 21.19.26 # Nico_P: another good reason to just not bundle the menus, if you ask me 21.19.27 # (the 500+Mhz) 21.19.39 # sure is a waste 21.19.42 # waste? no need to figure out all the pesky extra processors :) you can just use the main proc :) 21.19.44 # but a cool one :) 21.20.01 # amiconn: it's probably one of the reasons for the poor battery life 21.20.12 # someone needs to update the device chart with the 1/2G ipods and the c200 sansa 21.20.24 Join senab [0] (n=chatzill@82-35-229-48.cable.ubr01.smal.blueyonder.co.uk) 21.20.29 Quit Buschel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.20.41 # amiconn: anyway, the reason i want multifont support is i just switched to helvetica for menus and found that to be really usable, but then icatcher suddenly looks like a car crash 21.20.53 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.20.54 # amiconn: and no surprise either, it needs a smaller font than i'd like for menus 21.21.36 # thanks for all the great work on rockbox, you guys rule 21.21.37 # night 21.21.41 Quit Jeffrey_L (Client Quit) 21.21.41 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 21.22.23 # TMM: the S runs windows :) 21.22.31 # ahahaha, sweet lord 21.22.34 # agreed having a font for menu and another for the wps would be ok, but I don't need no multiple fonts in one screen (just makes it less readable in most cases) 21.22.35 # you said the W word 21.22.35 # and freescale offers linux for the CPU as dev tool 21.22.36 # out 21.22.50 # :( 21.22.55 # :) 21.23.02 # pixelma: i mostly agree, but i'd rather we try to think out a way to make that possible too 21.23.06 # Nico_P: WHAT? 21.23.10 # pixelma: several fonts in one screen should be used with extreme care, though 21.23.29 # general typographic advice 21.23.31 # each char with different font ftw! 21.23.35 # TMM: well, not the same windows as desktops... it's windows portable or something like that 21.23.41 # though often a separate font for some kind of "title" works out nice 21.23.42 # *shudder* 21.23.53 # preglow: yeah for displaying rtf documents :P 21.24.22 # what the hell is this, microsoft day? :P 21.24.38 # * GodEater hopes not 21.24.39 # we already have wma, now leavy us alone! 21.24.44 # leave <- 21.24.47 Join Buschel [0] (n=abc@p54A3D8CE.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.24.51 # preglow: maybe not several fonts but several font sizes 21.24.55 # more important to me wrt multiple fonts to me is the already mentioned remote and main display issue 21.24.55 # don't hit me I was kidding :D 21.25.03 # i only think multifont is useful when using diff sizes of the same fonr 21.25.04 # Nico_P: which is the same as several fonts for us 21.25.08 # true 21.25.22 # pixelma: at least that's a real practical issue 21.25.29 # but from a typographic standpoint, size is better 21.25.35 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.25.52 # size or weight 21.25.53 # does anyone know of a tool to see the difference between two binary files? kind of like the source diff viewer with a hex editor or something? 21.25.55 # That gradient thing looks strange :\ 21.25.56 # especially for the H300s/H100s with the same remote displays 21.26.04 # preglow: what would be nice IMHO is a way to specify a max size for the font in a screen for example say we need 6 lines, check if that will fit otherwise tell the font code to load the largest one that fits of the same font family 21.26.08 # i like the gradient thing 21.26.11 # amiconn: you mean the gradient itself? it looks linear now 21.26.16 # amiconn: on the c200 lcd, should lcd_enable(false) turn on standby mode? or set display off? 21.26.18 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 21.26.29 # TMM: cmp 21.26.36 # Nico_P: cmp? 21.26.55 # TMM: it can compare files... not exactly like you aksed though 21.27.00 # i think it would be nice to have some padding around the text on the menu otherwise the gradient is too small imo 21.27.00 # <[omni]> TMM: there's a perl utility called hexdiff 21.27.06 # <[omni]> *script 21.27.15 # forget it, the files are the same :D 21.27.25 # which is odd 21.27.26 Quit Wiwie (Connection timed out) 21.27.35 # <[omni]> TMM: same checksum? 21.27.38 # yeah 21.27.52 # senab: use a different font? ;) 21.28.00 # this tool seems to do a great deal more then just do a copy 21.28.08 # but, it doesn't ;) 21.28.19 # well, not on this input file anyway 21.28.20 # crud 21.28.33 # pixelma: true lol 21.29.17 # weird 21.30.35 # ARGH... the bloody thing changes both the input AND the output file 21.30.41 # jezus fuck 21.30.43 # infact the more i look at it, the more im not liking the gradient 21.31.05 # what the hell 21.31.22 # senab: what don't you like with it ? 21.31.39 # personal taste ;) 21.31.40 # btw, whatever happened to paprica? 21.31.43 # i want more games :P 21.32.00 # * low_light whispers bitmap selector...would make everyone happy :) 21.32.07 # our breakout clone friggin' beats apple's to cat food 21.33.29 # what's the bloody point of having an OUTPUT file, it it changes the INPUT file to the EXACT same as the output file? 21.33.44 # and it DOES change the input file, I checked 4 times 21.33.48 # regarding the colour chooser, why does green go to 63, and blue and red go to 31? 21.33.59 # change and copy, holy hell... retards 21.34.06 # 21.34.12 # senab: because of rgb 565 21.34.26 # 5 bits for red and blue 6 for green 21.34.47 # TMM: what tool is doing this ? 21.34.56 # stupid firmware sign tool 21.34.57 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 21.34.59 # ahhhhh! u learn something every day 21.35.39 # * TMM frustrated 21.36.02 # time for a beer :D 21.36.08 # * senab agress 21.36.31 # for god sake, i can't spell today 21.36.44 # senab: looks like you've had about enough 21.37.04 # i wish lol 21.37.20 # and an episode of stargate 21.37.22 # damn this 21.37.40 Join bascule2 [0] (i=586cb33b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-24911703a03327d0) 21.38.36 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 21.38.51 # would using a large iconset increase the line height? 21.39.22 # senab: no, the icons would be drawn on top of each other 21.39.23 # I believe the font controls line height 21.39.44 # ok, cheers 21.41.31 # toffe82: the article you added to ArticlesAboutRockox was already in it 21.41.43 # What does this Sansa option mean/do? Sleep (After Backlight Off) 21.41.55 Join jrsharp [0] (n=jrsharp@c-71-228-234-243.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) 21.42.00 # Doesn't seem to do anything for me 21.42.00 # Nico_P: it is not the same 21.43.10 # toffe82: http://www.linuxworld.com/news/2007/082207-rock-the-ipod-with-open-source.html?page=1 21.43.16 # I don't see a difference 21.43.42 # the wps picture :) 21.43.59 # ok it is the same but not in the same magazine 21.44.02 # actually the article is originally from PC world, but it's was written the 22nd of august 21.44.51 # bascule2: read the manual :P 21.45.04 # I just receive pcworld this week with this review of rockbox 21.45.18 # nice :) 21.45.31 # toffe82: are you editing the wiki page ? 21.45.34 # is pcworld a US mag then? 21.45.38 # not now 21.45.39 # senab: it's not in the manual 21.45.40 # I can do it if you want 21.45.42 # yes 21.46.03 # Nico_P: edit for what ? 21.46.32 # I just wanted to get the date and source right :) 21.47.01 # ok, I have to check the date on the magazine but it should be the one of october 21.47.31 # it's written 22nd of october right under the title of the article 21.47.47 # so it's the second time rockbox gets a review in PC World :) 21.47.58 # yes 21.48.31 # 22 of august 21.48.33 # :) 21.48.43 # err yes, august 21.49.08 # senab: that's the point. It's also not anywhere in the Wiki or the forums 21.49.13 # but th magazine is from this month, we should put the date of the magazine, I will check tonight 21.49.20 # davina there? 21.49.36 # bascule2: afaik, it's actually turning the lcd off 21.50.01 # toffe82: so maybe add "published in the -- issue" 21.50.43 # ok 21.50.48 # senab: so, screen power off, rather than just switching off the light? 21.50.52 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@bas3-montreal28-1242530029.dsl.bell.ca) 21.50.55 # bascule2: so in theory if you shine a light on the screen when the backlight has gone out you should see something 21.51.10 # bascule2: yes 21.51.46 # Nico_P: I will fix it tonight :) 21.51.57 # ok :) 21.52.03 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 21.52.06 # can anyone tell me why this hasn't been commited? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7763 21.52.06 # hello 21.52.09 # btw, I completely forgot to buy a screwdriver today 21.52.41 # davina pls join #blub since i cant query u... 21.52.51 # preglow: very good question 21.53.09 # someone with a 5g should just check it out and commit it 21.53.33 # is it specific to a 5g though? 21.53.38 # well, looks like it 21.54.02 # why? 21.54.14 # because it talks to ipod video hardware? 21.54.17 # i can't think of any other reason 21.54.28 # davina cos im not registered 21.54.35 # muesli-_: then register 21.54.43 # preglow: i doubt it even touches the broadcom chip 21.55.06 # the routine does, the changed code doesn't 21.55.25 Nick muesli-_ is now known as muesli- (n=muesli_t@91.64.230.92) 21.55.30 # preglow: really ? what do you mean ? 21.56.12 # the routine does talk to the broadcom chip, yes 21.56.16 # so you can't just use it on a nano 21.56.19 # senab: thanks 21.56.24 Quit bascule2 ("CGI:IRC 0.5.7 (2005/06/19)") 21.56.31 # * davina eats muesli for breakfast :) 21.56.40 # preglow: what does it say to the chip ? "go to sleep" ? 21.56.52 # go ahead mate ;) 21.57.05 # Nico_P: all lcd accesses is done through it 21.57.15 # oh 21.57.34 Join zoook [0] (i=d4f2de18@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-089852746350202f) 21.57.44 # hi 21.58.20 Join Wiwie [0] (n=goddi@86-41-96-194.b-ras2.lmk.limerick.eircom.net) 21.58.24 Nick zoook is now known as zoooook (i=d4f2de18@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-089852746350202f) 21.59.20 # so back to my point, why isn't it commited? 21.59.43 # preglow: because you haven't comitted it yet? ;-) 21.59.46 # no one to review it ? 21.59.56 # someone would need to test it, yet 22.00.04 # nls: have no video :/ 22.00.07 Quit amiconn (" I'll be back...") 22.01.52 # i noticed something on my sansa display today, if you move the scrollwheel fast then the display kinda 'ghosts' 22.03.06 # anyone have a video and can test it? 22.03.23 Quit Buschel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.03.30 # oh, there he was :P 22.03.32 Quit zoooook ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 22.04.16 # * senab wonders who (or what) preglow is talking to... :s 22.04.28 # buschel, the guy who did the patch i'm talking about 22.05.01 # ahhhh! haha, it just sounded funny 22.06.03 # * petur fetches a long stick and pokes linuxstb 22.06.27 Quit Thundercloud_ (Remote closed the connection) 22.07.07 Quit senab ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.7/2007091417]") 22.08.26 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.10.19 Quit massiveH () 22.10.45 Join zooook [0] (i=user@gateway/tor/x-ba3e985387fbebb3) 22.15.27 Join webguest35 [0] (i=186df6ac@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-35bd747982592d2c) 22.15.48 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 22.17.08 Join massiveH [0] (n=massiveH@pool-72-76-34-145.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) 22.17.08 # hmm, it does appear it can be ported to other ipods too, though 22.17.09 Join kfazz [0] (i=9b2bcf1b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-72f02e97d229f104) 22.17.17 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.17.26 # preglow: and other ARM targets ? 22.17.35 # no idea 22.17.44 # it's c, so arm shouldn't matter 22.18.16 # * nls stops fiddeling with the midi plugin for tonight 22.19.33 Quit Temik ("Leaving") 22.19.38 # * bluebrother wonders why the midiplay plugin has CamelCase function names ... is it imported code? 22.20.34 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 22.20.56 Quit desowin ("use linux") 22.22.22 # bluebrother: from reading a couple of comments in the code it seems to be some sort of mix of little peices from different midi players, but to get the dirty facts you should ask stevenm 22.23.04 # he isn't frequently around here, is he? But I merely wanted to throw this point in ;-) 22.23.12 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@bas3-montreal28-1242530029.dsl.bell.ca) 22.23.30 # not anymore, no 22.23.30 # bluebrother: he's been around a bit the last couple of days 22.23.42 # hmm, we should write a style document for rbutil as the style differes from main rockbox due to it being cpp ... 22.23.54 Part muesli- 22.24.07 # i'd say the style requirements are about the same, but with // and CamelCase 22.24.17 # and typedefs not being a problem 22.24.29 # yep, mostly. 22.24.57 # but having it written down would be nice imo. 22.25.04 # then go ahead :P 22.26.13 Quit nicktastic ("Leaving") 22.27.09 # whee.. ham radio club. 22.27.28 Quit webguest35 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.27.29 # members: a janitor and 4 kids, including me :) 22.27.38 # hahah 22.28.58 # and the room they meet in is not really a room, more like a closet, so small that we can't all fit :) 22.29.34 # but I'm content. 22.31.53 Join fm2 [0] (i=53f23d50@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-705e837eb2a5dc83) 22.32.09 # I'd like to execute some shell commands after compiling of the files in apps dir. Where should I put them? I assume that should be apps/Makefile. But should I put them there (where exactly?) directly or rather write a script and call the script in Makefile? 22.32.39 # oh, whoops. this was the wrong channel. 22.32.47 # oh? :V 22.32.47 # sorry for being offtopic. 22.32.49 # fm2: I'd say write a script 22.32.57 # I thought I was someplace else :) 22.34.18 # Nico_P: and where in the make file should I put the call to the script? It should work as follows. First, files are compiled as before. Then my script runs and produces one more file. Then the liker can kick in. So where should I put the call? 22.34.41 Quit kfazz ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 22.35.13 # fm2: create a new make target which you call. Then put the target that gets called now as prerequisite 22.35.24 # fm2: oh actually I thought the script would call "make". but still, I think it's better to write a script and call it in the makefile. As to where from, I have no idea 22.36.35 Part low_light 22.37.40 # bluebrother: and which target is called now? 22.37.58 # I don't know. But if you call make without arguments the first target is called. 22.38.17 Join webguest99 [0] (i=3eb5390c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a07c79052170bd44) 22.38.52 # seems the first target is all, and I bet this is the target that gets called. 22.40.44 Quit BigMac (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.40.48 # bluebrother: yes, 'all' is the first target. So I rename it to all_old, and create a new target 'all' which will have "all: all_old" as its first line? 22.41.07 # yes. 22.41.23 # or leave it as it is and add a new target before that one. 22.42.24 # It is very badly lost wma. Some songs does not reproduce and the hard disk starts to knock. At me ipod 80g 22.42.57 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 22.43.21 # bluebrother: the second line would be the execution of the script, and then the compiler should be called again. How do I do that? 22.43.38 # the compiler should be called again? 22.43.47 Quit Wiwie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.44.17 # after the target the actual commands follow. You need to indent them with a tab. Apart from that it's mostly bash 22.45.14 # bluebrother: ok, thanks, I'll try 22.45.25 Part fm2 22.46.25 Join Wiwie [0] (n=goddi@86-41-109-171.b-ras2.lmk.limerick.eircom.net) 22.46.38 # And not all wma are not lost 22.48.56 # <|Rain|> so, I fixed the bootloader for the e200 (and I made it do closer to the right thing if HAVE_USBSTACK is defined from your rockbox build) 22.49.19 # <|Rain|> what's the preferred way to submit patches? open a bug in flyswatter? 22.49.33 # <|Rain|> flyspray, that's it 22.49.43 # sumbit the patch in the right catagorie 22.49.48 # catagory* 22.50.03 # Russian translation is frequently incorrect - does not distinguish id3 tag. Will sometime correct? 22.50.06 Quit Frazz (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.51.18 Quit massiveH ("Leaving") 22.51.26 # webguest99 if somebody corrects it 22.52.02 # webguest99: you can 22.52.36 # webguest99: there's even a web interface for it: http://rasher.dk/rockbox/translate/ 22.53.12 # I do not understand programming, and so with pleasure 22.53.20 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.7/2007091417]") 22.55.01 # rasher: your page shows funny error messages 22.55.14 # webguest99: you don't need to know programming to translate. 22.55.44 Nick parafin is now known as parafin|away (i=parafin@paraf.in) 22.55.50 # norsk.lang should be renamed norsk-bokmål.lang now, to be pedantic 22.56.03 # i wonder if i should be bothered 22.56.35 # There not in translation business, and display of Russian tegs in the form of hieroglyphs 22.56.55 # then you use a bad font I'd guess 22.57.25 # Bagder: what do you call "funny error messages" ? 22.57.39 # would i need to do anything else than rename the file in svn to avoid wrecking havoc? 22.57.57 # Nico_P: I got php error messsages at the top of the translate page 22.58.02 # ah 22.58.06 # me too 22.58.25 # or rather, one notice and one warning 22.58.39 Quit florinp3 () 22.59.20 # I have plenty of duplicate tracks on my player.. is there a way to automatically remove them? 22.59.31 # preglow: tell all the users of the norsk.lng why their translation is outdated in a couple of months... it will remain on their players and in their cfg's 22.59.46 # Dark_Apostrophe: in the database or physical files in the file view? 22.59.48 # ok, so i should just not do anything about it? 22.59.54 # bluebrother: Both 23.00.09 # bluebrother: Many duplicates in various directories 23.00.12 # for the database you might want to check the recycle bin. 23.00.14 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A67B6.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.00.21 # preglow: doesn't matter to me, if it feels better, just do it (tm) :-) 23.00.29 # bluebrother: Physical files 23.00.30 # and for physical files on the disk, no. 23.00.34 # damn. 23.00.53 # you could write a script that identifies the files based on hashes and removes duplicates. 23.01.27 # or maybe there is some media management software around that allows you doing this. 23.01.47 # <|Rain|> I've dumped the patches into http://themuffin.net/rockbox/ in case anyone else wants to eyeball them... I'll submit them to the bug tracker tonight 23.01.48 # nls: i just hate it when legacy issues prevents me from doing the right thing :P 23.01.52 # but Rockbox does not have anything to do this. 23.02.28 # nls: luckily, norsk-bokmål.lng will be displayed right next to norsk.lng, so they'll notice something is different. i'll think on it 23.03.31 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 23.04.39 Quit webguest99 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23.04.57 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 23.07.22 # rasher's web translating tool is very nice :) 23.07.38 # * Nico_P just produced a patch updating francais.lang 23.07.58 # the only thing is it added a bunch of "user:" lines 23.08.07 # and they're what? 23.08.16 # no idea 23.08.30 # IIRC those user lines aren't used yet. 23.08.39 # how do I switch between "scan" and "preset" modes in fm playback (recent svn version, e200-series)? 23.08.46 # I'd like to commit the update... should I leave these lines ? 23.09.05 # Nico_P: well, were i you i'd at least find out what the hell they are, heh 23.09.07 # but do as you wish 23.09.13 # you can always blame rasher :P 23.09.37 # Bagder: can you tell me what to do ? 23.09.47 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.10.01 Part Domonoky 23.10.02 Quit seablue ("life, death, life, death") 23.10.44 # aha -- by pressing "record" (!?) 23.10.50 Quit petur ("*plop*") 23.11.05 Quit Wiwie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.12.27 Join Isolinear [0] (n=A@c-76-105-254-119.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 23.12.28 # Bagder, preglow: What kind of php error? I don't see it.. 23.12.53 # preglow: norsk-bokmÃ¥l would be the first non-ascii language name. Not sure it matters, but I guess it's something to think about. 23.13.04 # (almost all fonts support latin-1 anyway) 23.13.13 # all good anyway, if we don't support that properly, we're not trying hard enough at being unicode, heh 23.13.34 # Nico_P: the user: lines are harmless. It's a langv2 feature not yet used 23.13.45 # rasher: used for what? 23.13.52 # rasher http://pastebin.com/m56098d2b 23.13.55 # rasher: should I keep them in the commit though ? 23.13.58 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 23.13.59 # thats the error i got on your page 23.14.00 # It's to do with supporting translation of plugins 23.14.06 # rightie 23.14.08 # Nico_P: doesn't really matter either way 23.14.18 Quit S4R () 23.14.21 # alienbiker99: oh gosh 23.14.31 # alienbiker99: thanks. 23.14.34 # And I'm off.. 23.14.37 # no problem 23.14.40 # then I'll leave them... simpler that way :) 23.14.52 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 23.16.20 Join Wiwie [0] (n=goddi@86-40-240-38.b-ras2.lmk.limerick.eircom.net) 23.16.20 Quit Isolinear (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.16.23 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 23.24.07 Quit ThUnD3r|Gr33n (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.24.23 Join ThUnD3r|Gr33n [0] (n=ThUnD3r_@p5B23E69E.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.32.43 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 23.38.22 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 23.39.03 Quit jrsharp (Client Quit) 23.39.34 # I'm back! 23.42.20 Quit scorche|work ("CGI:IRC") 23.43.54 # Bam2550: let us all rejoice! 23.44.16 Quit Rondom (Remote closed the connection) 23.44.54 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 23.45.03 # lol, Where you being sarcastic? 23.46.23 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 23.46.39 Quit BigBambi (Remote closed the connection) 23.47.40 # my dog ate my readme.txt 23.47.44 Join BigBambi [0] (n=alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 23.47.50 # Bam2550: nooooo, I'd NEVER 23.48.09 # Youd never eat my readme.txt? thanks 23.48.59 # no, I'm full already, but thank you 23.49.31 # next time I see your readme, I will most certainly have a bite 23.52.02 Part Redbreva ("User is away.") 23.54.19 Quit Wiwie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.54.21 Quit BigBambi (Remote closed the connection) 23.54.32 Join Ebert [0] (n=EbErT@adsl-34-34-94.asm.bellsouth.net) 23.54.46 # Does anyone know if album art will be implemented and included in the precompiled binaries (rather than users having to patch it themselves) any time soon? 23.57.06 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 23.58.56 # Dark_Apostrophe: if soon is some arbitrary point in time not before now, yse :-)