--- Log for 07.10.107 Server: calvino.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 5 days and 18 hours ago 00.00.12 # That's why there is a delay, so clips are only read when you stop for a short while 00.01.23 # There is one mechanism that avoids unnecessary spinups for file .talk clips though: The file browser caches the presence/absence of a .talk clips for each file as an extra file attribute, so it doesn't spin up the disk when there is no clip for a file 00.02.13 # * amiconn only uses .talk clips for folders, not for files 00.02.56 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 00.06.44 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@c-24-19-236-139.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 00.07.52 # I recently looked around in the debug menu and noticed that nothing was running on my second core for my iPod 5.5g, is this normal now? I seem to remember something running on it. 00.08.12 Quit moos (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.11.44 Join BigMac [0] (n=me@c-67-189-251-28.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) 00.14.13 # Hm, how come no one has ported nethack to rockbox? 00.14.18 Quit BigMac (Client Quit) 00.16.43 # zicho: I think it would be hard to play nethack on a DAP, or any other device, with such a limited selection of keys. 00.17.06 # Don't you need text input for nethack? i could imagine this to be very anoying with the virtual keyboard 00.17.37 # It works on the GP2X 00.17.52 # thanks for your time guys.. 00.17.55 Part tdtooke 00.18.05 # It would be a little harder on rockbox yes, but I think it would be perfectly playable 00.19.15 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.19.15 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 00.19.31 # looks like the GP2X has 7 buttons + directional pad (8 more buttons?) 00.19.36 # PaulJam, Isolinear: Solid mode is faster than gradient mode, but the separate setting could be removed if rockbox would auto-switch to solid colour drawing if first_colour == second_colour 00.20.22 # mega-commit cometh :) (well, not that "mega") 00.20.39 # Soap: That is correct. 00.20.43 # amiconn: Faster in what manner? LCD drawing? Processor power? 00.21.13 # All gfx is drawn into the (memory based) framebuffer first 00.21.33 # zicho: counting volume buttons it has 19 total. The iPod has 8, the gigabeat 10. 00.21.37 # Drawing a solid rectangle is a bit faster than drawing a bunch of lines (in fact not much) 00.22.11 # Gotcha. 00.22.14 # That actually depends on what pixel format the target uses, but all colour targets use RGB565 packed into 16 bits 00.22.30 # Also, the gradient option does not apply to non-color targets, correct? 00.22.33 # Soap: You would have to extensively use menus if you would like to play it on rockbox. With some key actions on shortcut-buttons 00.22.52 # (we _might_ switch to RGB444 on c200 for better speed. The framebuffer would stay 16 bit though) 00.23.00 # I'll admit never playing nethack, but don't you need to use the buttons in realtime? Is it not a real-time RPG? 00.23.13 # Isolinear: correct 00.23.32 # In fact also the solid colour option does not apply. Just pointer and inverse bar 00.23.56 # Soap: No. Turn-based. 00.24.08 # You should play it, it is a mighty fine game. 00.24.57 # That does change things quite a bit. One last fact in favor of my original argument, though ;) is that the GPX2 allows button combos, most the DAPs do not. 00.25.01 Quit midkay (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.25.41 # Soap: Which is why you would have to use a lot of menus to make it playable. 00.27.49 # that would drive me nuts, personally, I wouldn't want to play it on anything less than a PDA with tappable keyboard tbh 00.28.14 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-230-188.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 00.28.48 Quit Domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.28.51 # rjg: It actually works pretty well on the GP2X. 00.31.30 Join Gibbed [0] (i=rick@pool-96-229-77-230.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 00.31.32 Quit Rick (Nick collision from services.) 00.31.45 Nick midkay_ is now known as midkay (n=midkay@c-24-19-236-139.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 00.31.46 Nick Gibbed is now known as Rick (i=rick@pool-96-229-77-230.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 00.36.30 Quit PaulJam (".") 00.39.14 # hmmm...that must be one of my biggest + deltas ever. :\ 00.40.47 # are the resulting bins much bigger? 00.42.09 # just what it says but it does make the code more robust and gets some stuff ready for dual-core. 00.42.52 # * jhMikeS consoles himself in the fact he saved 512KB by elimating one swap buffer though 00.44.15 # * amiconn is a bit puzzled 00.45.18 # It's around +800 bytes for non-recording PP targets, and around +1600 bytes for recording PP targets, but much less for other swcodec targets 00.45.41 # yeah, I'm looking closer wondering what's going on here 00.46.17 # Also, the PP increase is independent of dual core usage 00.46.35 # (compare 1st..3rd gen with the minis) 00.47.28 Quit spiorf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.47.57 # must've left something in that shouldn't be 00.48.04 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host5-158-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 00.50.26 Quit Rick (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.51.29 Join Rick [0] (i=rick@pool-96-229-77-230.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 00.57.36 Quit barrywardell () 00.59.35 # If it's not something completely unnecessary, it probably doesn't hurt, as we do want to go dual core on PP5002 sooner or later 00.59.36 # it does seem a bit much on pp. I expected what I see for others 01.00.07 # there's not much there though. some things were made smaller. 01.01.15 # * amiconn unzips a build to his 2nd gen 01.02.04 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-230-188.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 01.02.06 # that's a 5002? 01.02.13 # yes 01.02.18 # ah, good. 01.02.45 # I still need my FW card. I suppose this is motivation to not be lazy any more. :P 01.02.47 # music plays... 01.03.11 # You have a PP5002 ipod? 01.03.42 # I do but no way to hook it up and charge it yet. Simply out of laziness and not ordering a $10 FW card. 01.03.55 Quit tchan (SendQ exceeded) 01.04.09 # 3g 01.04.43 # You don't have the original charger? (dunno whether that was included with the 3rd gen) 01.04.58 Join tchan [0] (n=tchan@lunar-linux/developer/tchan) 01.05.06 # * amiconn has another 2nd gen, now without hdd, and a 1st gen as well 01.05.36 # I needed the hdd to get the 1st gen to work, as it came with a broken hdd 01.05.39 # I suppose that won't wait though. I'll need it to work on stuff soon for sure. 01.06.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.07.00 # amiiconn: I have a cable and 3g...thanks to Davide-NYC but need to hook it up. I don't care to hack together some charging thing when the cards are rather cheap iirc. 01.09.46 # amiconn, throw in a 8GB CF card 01.13.54 # just curious 01.14.39 # is it just my impression or are the number of decoding boards/porting targets rather small compared to the number of actual implentations in digital audio players? 01.15.25 # decoding boards? 01.15.36 # err poor english sorry 01.15.44 # portal player decoding chips and whatnot 01.16.28 # decoding is software there and but there aren't as many SoC's as targets 01.16.39 # SoC ? 01.16.45 # system on chip? 01.16.45 # system on chip 01.16.52 # right 01.17.29 # but isn't porting from the same Soc to another target an order of magnitude easier than having to port to another soc all over again? 01.17.49 # oh yes 01.18.44 # most are still ARM based so that help most of the time 01.19.38 Quit der-onkel (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01.19.53 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@24-119-114-203.cpe.cableone.net) 01.22.55 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 01.24.27 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.7/2007091417]") 01.25.00 # my question is 01.25.05 Quit miepchen^schlaf ("Verlassend") 01.25.25 # how many SoC's to go? (percentage wise) :D 01.25.58 # (1) that depends on how you count. (2) it's not very relevant 01.27.07 Join fleebailey33 [0] (n=andy@c-71-234-116-141.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) 01.27.18 # Factors that ease porting / make it more likely: * an already known or preferably documented SoC. * known or documented other hardware 01.27.20 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 01.27.55 # Factors that make ports hard or even impossible: * encrypted and signed firmware. * non-upgradeable firmware 01.30.23 # * jhMikeS wonders if theres enough new DMA controller info now to figure out how use it for PP audio 01.30.27 # Oh, and I forgot exotic architectures 01.31.14 # the gimini? 01.31.19 # *gmini 01.31.25 # (like the early archos gminis with their calmrisc16 (harvard architecture, 16 bit), or the 1st gen ipod shuffle (56k DSP, no gcc port for that)) 01.32.12 # Also the recently suggested chinese usb stick players with their Z80 on speed (+dsp) 01.32.25 Quit spiorf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.32.28 # rockbox on ipod shuffle is a funny idea 01.32.37 # Imho it's not 01.32.44 # Z80? got to be kidding. 01.33.06 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host42-215-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 01.33.25 # Z80 at ~40MHz, plus a dsp handling the audio decoding 01.33.55 # Kinda hwcodec architecture 01.33.57 # m:robe will need to use the DSP for video for sure. No way a 200MHz ARM will do it at 640x480 01.34.21 # * amiconn would like to see the m:robe 100 code entering svn :| 01.35.17 Quit petur ("Zzzzz") 01.35.33 # More targets == good, and porting to other targets with the same SoC indeed saves a lot of work 01.35.34 # can't anyone get a port stable, debugged, and reasonably complete before adding yet another? seems like they leave it to everyone else to complete it. 01.35.41 # (m:robe 100 is PP) 01.36.08 # Yeah, there's that motivation problem... 01.36.37 # * amiconn needs to motivate himself enough to continue his work on powermgmt + suspend 01.36.50 # on 5002 or 5020? 01.36.52 # seems like it's fallen in my lap alot recently thought I suppose they've busted their butts just getting things running often times. 01.37.01 # And then there's better bitmap handling, and viewports, and new grayscale lib ideas, and ... 01.37.27 # Soap: 5002 01.37.54 Quit Alonea (Connection timed out) 01.38.49 # * amiconn has ideas and plans to make the grayscale lib support up to 128 shades, with no graininess when changing content, faster updates, and *less* ram usage 01.41.04 # Does the amp draw enough power to make a difference in battery life in the iPod 5G (or any other targets for that matter)... 01.41.33 # In other words, will I save battery by keeping my volume at say, -30dB instead of 0dB? 01.41.52 # amiconn: it definitely has a huge delay for playing video. why's that? 01.43.33 Join eigma [0] (n=cat@CABLE-206-188-76-21.cia.com) 01.45.17 # * jhMikeS will admit the graylib code is a bit complex even though it only took about 15min to understand the kernel :p 01.48.17 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.48.32 # Isolinear: It depends on the actual load. 01.48.46 # Define "load"? 01.49.40 # If you connect low-impedance headphones (or even passive speakers), the amp will draw more power when increasing volume. The lower the impedance is, the more power it will draw (within the amp's limits) 01.50.21 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 01.50.31 # But if you hook it up to a stereo set (line input), you can put it at 0dB (and in fact should) without significant currents 01.50.42 # jhMikeS: What delay do you mean? 01.51.23 # The high load on PP that makes it stutter is due to the high cpu load in the graylib timer isr, due to the slow transfer through the PP "mono" lcd bridge 01.51.55 # Does the physical amount of energy used depend on the impedance at any given volume level? 01.52.03 Quit linuxstb_ ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.7/2007091417]") 01.52.16 Quit random_desu_is_s (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.52.29 # For example, will the amp draw less power at 0dB with low impedance headphones as opposed to 0dB with high impedance? 01.52.32 # That's unavoidable. Fortunately this slow transfer will (hopefully completely) shadow the extra calculations needed for the 128 shades idea 01.52.44 # Isolinear: The other way round 01.53.32 Quit ender` (" On the contrary, if you never procreate, neither will your kids.") 01.54.20 # amiconn: It seems graylib has a lag to it that doesn't exist on other slow targets. Compare video on H100 and x5. x5 is more synced. graylib tends to lag really slow and then pop forward alot. 01.54.43 # Impedance = resistance, right? 01.54.58 Quit fleebailey33 (Connection reset by peer) 01.55.12 # Isolinear: not at all. Resitance is a special case of resitance where current and voltage are in phase. 01.55.20 # jhMikeS: That lag is caused by the sloo-oow lcd panel 01.55.24 # *of impedance 01.55.56 # On M5 it's way better. Same lcd controller as in the H1x0, but other (way faster) panel 01.56.19 # Ahh, I see. 01.56.28 # amiconn: hmm...interesting. 01.56.50 Quit tedrock (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.57.22 # Well in any case, the amount of power required by the amp depends not necessarily on the set volume level, but on the impedance of whatever is connected to it. 01.57.32 # Correct? 01.57.35 # jhMikeS: It's even more visible with the grayscale lib due to the fact that gray<->gray changes are slower that black->white changes on *all* LCDs without special tricks 01.57.42 Nick parafin is now known as parafin|away (i=parafin@paraf.in) 01.57.42 # (which the grayscale lib can't use) 01.58.02 # Isolinear: It depends on both. 01.58.35 # lol 01.58.35 Join moos [0] (i=moos@m82.net81-66-159.noos.fr) 01.58.46 Quit moos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.58.48 # This is more complex than I was expecting.. 01.58.58 Join moos [0] (i=moos@m82.net81-66-159.noos.fr) 01.59.18 # Perhaps I should go back to my original question... Is the difference in the amount of power enough to affect battery life to any noticable amount? :) 01.59.23 # Isolinear: most things are :) 02.00.28 # Isolinear, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy#Electrical_energy 02.00.44 # e=u^2*t/R 02.00.48 # amiconn: what tricks are those? clearing the pixel before setting the new gray level? 02.00.54 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@24-119-114-203.cpe.cableone.net) 02.01.21 # amiconn: I've found anything doing on animation on H100 to be pretty much pointless 02.01.31 # volume controls u 02.01.42 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 02.01.47 # afaik 02.03.07 # TMM: You can't "clear" the pixels as there's no such state 02.03.21 # The main trick is using overdrive 02.03.31 # amiconn: what is that? 02.04.02 # That means if the pixel is e.g. dark grey and should become light grey, it's first set to white a very short time, and then to its final value (light grey) 02.05.10 # Using this properly requires precise knowledge of the panel's speed (which vastly depends on temperature). The short white period shouldn't become visible, it should only help to reach the light grey state faster 02.05.10 # amiconn: why not simply square pulse between black and white? 02.05.40 # ? 02.06.11 # just use black and white and pulse black a variable amount of time? need more updates for that? 02.07.06 # That's how how the greyscale lcds (and also the grayscale lib) actually achieve the greylevels 02.07.40 # ah,ok. I thought you were saying you used the two grays as well. 02.07.56 # No, that doesn't work 02.08.58 # It's because the internal greylevels are achieved by the same mechanism. Putting another such mechanism on top of that without being able to synchronise the clocks just causes a lot of graininess 02.08.59 # I do know the HW does that. That seems to be true of color panels as well. 02.09.08 # Yes and no 02.09.29 # Passive (CSTN) colour lcds work the same way (e.g. the one in the c200) 02.09.52 # Active (TFT) colour lcds actually use different (analog) voltages 02.10.18 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c210-49-113-143.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 02.10.54 # seems odd to not want to drive the pixel transistors into saturation since that wastes energy in the ouput...perhaps not enough to worry about though. 02.11.33 # See e.g. the HD66773R manual, pages 6 and 85 02.11.56 # The pixel transistors are driven into saturation 02.12.37 # ok, then it's D-class amp 02.12.43 # nope 02.12.51 # or another possiblity 02.12.53 # The controller's output stages is where the varying voltages are provided 02.13.26 # * amiconn goes to sleep 02.13.32 # 1) variable switch mode regulator 2) drive the output into saturation at the voltage supplied 02.13.40 # ok...sorry to be so boring :) 02.15.19 # amiconn: ah, that is what I meant by that 'clear' :) 02.22.55 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 02.24.26 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@m207.net81-66-74.noos.fr) 02.24.49 Quit barrywardell () 02.30.14 # Isolinear: Because there are so many variables in the equation (including those mentioned so far, as well as others), the only true test would be inefficient and imprecise battery bench testing, or actively monitoring power draw (as with a bench power supply and an inline ampmeter) 02.31.23 # Since most people don't feel like cracking open their device (assuming they have the required meter) to do the testing, battery_bench tests (properly done) are a functional alternative. 02.31.48 Quit BHSPitLappy (Success) 02.32.31 Part Gulopine 02.37.43 Quit Robin0800 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.39.09 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 02.39.10 Join XavierGr_ [0] (n=xavier@ppp49-224.adsl.forthnet.gr) 02.39.56 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 02.40.22 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 02.40.28 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 02.42.09 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 02.42.16 Nick XavierGr_ is now known as XavierGr (n=xavier@ppp49-224.adsl.forthnet.gr) 02.51.45 # cooeeey eigma? 02.53.20 Quit hcs ("Leaving.") 02.53.34 # yo. 02.53.41 # hey 02.53.50 # had any luck getting rockbox runings? 02.53.53 # running even 02.54.26 # yep, karl compiled an image and I loaded it using gdb.. it loaded and showed the menu and everything 02.54.28 # no input yet though 02.54.39 # and also loading the image via the bootloader is broken, karl is working on that 02.54.55 # ok, cool 02.55.37 # anything new with you? 02.55.43 # nope 02.56.07 # actually, I've been focussing on non-rockbox stuff.. getting hardware monitoring working on my server 02.56.58 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.56.59 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 02.57.14 # non rockbox stuf??! 02.57.49 # :'(, I knw 02.58.57 # eigma: please don't mention the mere existance of such things. It would be better for all of us (JdGordon included) if he continued to be unaware that there was possible outlets for his efforts outside Rockbox. 02.59.08 # haha 02.59.13 # lol 03.00.37 # speaking of non rockbox stuff.. breaky time, then homework :( 03.00.39 # ttyl 03.01.01 # cya 03.01.07 # Soap: sorry :( 03.01.09 # ;) 03.02.24 # I was just looking out for jd's best interests. ;) 03.04.24 Join ddalton [0] (n=daniel@203-214-50-20.dyn.iinet.net.au) 03.04.50 # who is the main tainer of voice? 03.06.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.07.36 # where is the main tainers list? 03.08.53 Quit Soap ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03.11.08 # ddalton: in the docs/ directory 03.13.40 # ddalton: there is none atm 03.27.07 Join qwm [0] (n=qwm@h38n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 03.27.13 # the carnival is over! 03.30.24 Quit qwm (Remote closed the connection) 03.30.33 Join qwm [0] (n=qwm@h38n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 03.31.01 Join tedrock [0] (n=tedrock@d235-156-104.home1.cgocable.net) 03.41.48 Quit eigma () 03.43.26 # JdGordon: could I be the maintainer? Or do I need a lot of programming expirience and know a lot about the rockbox source code? 03.43.41 # jhMikeS: thanks 03.46.35 Quit sin613 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.46.44 Join dashi [0] (n=dashi@220.170.23.198) 03.47.52 Quit dashi ("Ex-Chat") 03.48.13 Join termin8or123 [0] (n=fb51dann@adsl-75-50-57-162.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) 03.48.19 # hey\ 03.49.59 Join lavadragon29 [0] (i=48e7c464@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-39c17a8dab9e3f30) 03.50.05 # hi all 03.50.12 # hi all 03.53.40 Join Chronon [0] (n=knoppix@c-24-21-45-96.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 03.54.20 Part sid 03.55.27 Quit lavadragon29 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 03.58.22 # ddalton: the official maintaner is someone with commit access... 03.58.50 # JdGordon: could I get that if I was going to be the main tainer? 03.59.10 # not my desicion 04.02.59 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 04.03.22 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c210-49-113-143.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 04.03.44 # who should I talk to? 04.03.52 Quit mirak (Remote closed the connection) 04.03.56 # you dont.... 04.04.01 Join Soap [0] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 04.04.10 # if the powers that be think your what they want from a commiter you will be offered it 04.04.30 # you dont have to be in the maintainers file to submit patches and "maintain" voice 04.04.31 Join JdGordon1924 [0] (n=Miranda@c210-49-113-143.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 04.04.36 Quit JdGordon1924 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.05.30 Quit ddalton (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.07.41 Quit Heyoka (Remote closed the connection) 04.07.49 Join Heyoka [0] (n=joao@a213-22-126-177.cpe.netcabo.pt) 04.10.03 Join ddalton [0] (n=daniel@203-214-50-20.dyn.iinet.net.au) 04.14.30 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 04.19.12 Join Germ [0] (i=4711f1ee@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-fd5c7c510f77469b) 04.20.17 # NEED HELP: is there anyway to completly erase the apple firmware on an ipod and install rockbox in its place?? 04.20.40 # Germ: afaik, you can't because you still need it for charging 04.20.49 # ooo thanks 04.20.55 # toodles 04.20.57 Part Germ 04.21.08 # 'toodles' who the fuck says 'toodles' 04.21.24 # hrmph 04.22.13 # germs? 04.22.26 # apparently... now I feel dirty 04.23.30 # I've been toodled by a germ 04.25.17 # anyone have doom on their iPod? 04.25.46 # haha tootled by agerm 04.25.52 # just remember... germs are from germany 04.26.22 # apparently all problems come from there ;) 04.32.44 Quit termin8or123 () 04.35.29 Join sin613 [0] (n=pbarton@dsl-134-129-144-51.und.nodak.edu) 04.37.02 Quit moos ("Glory to Rockbox") 04.58.23 # termin8or123: why? 05.00.01 Quit jhMikeS ("Meow!") 05.05.33 Join webguest44 [0] (i=4c10ea95@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0012b12197e441ef) 05.06.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.06.33 # hi i just got the new ipod classic with 80gigs and I want to know if I can install rockbox on it? 05.07.00 # webguest44: You can't read the rockbox.org website? 05.07.07 # see the front page 05.07.19 # and the answer is no 05.07.52 # do you know when and if i'l be able to do that? 05.10.09 # webguest44: when and if someone figures out the encryption used in the firmware, some datasheets for the portalplayer stuff would be nice as well :) 05.10.59 # so yo guys need the data sheets? 05.11.14 # webguest44: that would help, have them? :) 05.11.20 # i can get them is there a way i can give them to you guys? 05.11.39 # webguest44: wtf? really? 05.11.54 # my friend for apple. 05.12.12 # webguest44: you have the data sheets? 05.12.19 # if i can get them how can i give them to you guys? 05.12.22 # webguest44: if he can get them, just send them to anyone with a rockbox email address 05.12.38 # webguest44: bagder would be best. probably 05.12.44 # oh ok!! :) 05.13.01 # i'll ask him 1st thing in the mornig tomarrow! 05.13.05 # TMM: but don't they have to go to someone who wants to start the port? 05.13.24 # ddalton: Bagder'll see to that, no doubt 05.13.39 # can you please give me someones email? 05.13.44 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 05.13.47 # look it up 05.13.49 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 05.13.50 # i think i can get them! 05.13.51 # webguest44: just a sec 05.13.55 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 05.14.05 # ok thank you!! You guys ROCK!!! 05.16.08 Join bb__ [0] (n=bb@dslb-088-074-141-034.pools.arcor-ip.net) 05.16.38 # webguest44: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DanielStenberg 05.16.43 # I have it how do I type it so that spammers won't get it? 05.16.49 # i have another question i just downloaded a folder from rockbox called rockbox-bleeding can some one plz tell me what thats for? 05.17.03 # >TMM: Thank You! 05.17.25 # webguest44: that's the sourcecode to the latest version of rockbox, if you are not a developer, you might want to go for the binary builds 05.17.38 # oh.. 05.18.08 # webguest44: rockbox-bleeding is the source code. 05.18.23 # wow the usb stack kinda works on the sansa, my computer recognized it as Rockbox serial driver but thats it. its cool though. 05.18.23 # how or where do you guys usually get the data sheets? 05.18.24 # I usually check out from svn though. 05.18.51 # webguest44: usually we don't, actually, but usually the manufacturer doesn't go out it's way as much as apple does to prevent us from writing code for their devices 05.19.16 # a number of beniforts: -easy to create a diff -easy to update -easy to revert your changes -And there is svn info 05.19.26 # webguest44: we don't get any HELP, but apple's the only one that I know of that actually actively tries to stop us :) 05.19.46 # lol!! 05.20.20 # webguest44: so, specs would be good 05.20.32 # TMM: So apple know about rockbox? And the do everything they can to stop our development? If so do they spend lots of time and research on writing secure fw 05.20.58 # not just rockbox though, theres also ipod linux that they might want to stop 05.21.09 Join eigma [0] (n=cat@CABLE-206-188-76-21.cia.com) 05.21.17 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 05.21.21 Quit eigma (Client Quit) 05.21.42 # alienbiker99: so why don't the rockbox and ipodlinux devs work together to try and crack it? 05.21.57 # why does apple try to stop you guy's from doing this is it illegal? i mean, you guy's paid for your ipod so once you pay its yours and can do what ever you want to do to it. 05.22.04 # ddalton: I'm not sure it's specifically about rockbox, might be some DRM measures or something... however, apple's doing their best to make it hard to run your own code on them, which is a bit arrogant imho, I mean, you buy the device, you SHOULD be able to run your own code on it imho 05.22.28 # webguest44: it's not illegal, but it's not illegal for them to encrypt their bootloader 05.22.48 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c210-49-113-143.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 05.22.54 # Isn't that supposed to be a good thing. Lot's of people buy ipod because they want to put rockbox on them. 05.22.55 # childish, but not illegal 05.23.09 # webguest44: you tell them that :) 05.23.21 # i would if i could! 05.23.37 Quit Rondom (Nick collision from services.) 05.23.44 # and being blind it is anoying. First rockbox is very accessible and accessibility is improving each day with people like sdoyon and it also allows me to write my own code to make it more accessible. Second apple have hardly any accessibility in there fw. 05.23.55 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A959BE.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.23.59 # actually none for blind users 05.24.01 # did you know you guy's came out in one of the computer magazines? i can't remember which though. 05.24.33 # Like how can I find a song on my ipod using the apple firmware I can't. What about if I want to change a setting I can't. 05.24.39 # it was PC something? 05.24.41 # with rockbox I can do this fine 05.25.14 # And itunes is just about 100% not accessible. But im sure apple don't really care 05.25.20 # ddalton: I think you are preaching to the chore here :) 05.25.29 # apple shouldn't try to stop you guy's . You guy's are actually helping them sell more!! 05.25.34 # :) 05.26.37 # TMM: but think about it they are basically stopping blind users from having access to an ipod 05.27.02 # ddalton: I couldn't agree more, but then again, why would a blind person by an iPod then? 05.27.36 Quit bb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.28.26 # who knows I am not going to. 05.28.42 # My fourth gen broke after a year. 05.28.48 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=steve-o@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 05.28.49 # so I am using a h300 05.28.50 # can one of you guys plz give me a link to where i can download the new rockbox utilitytool? 05.29.02 # I can find it? 05.29.04 # rbutil? 05.29.08 # sorry. 05.29.22 # yes. 05.29.38 # hang on 05.29.43 # did you get my pm? 05.30.44 # is this it? 05.30.45 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtilityQt 05.31.43 # ThAnK yOu!! 05.32.48 Quit alienbiker99 ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 05.33.01 # webguest44: how do you suppose you'll get the datasheets anyway? 05.33.07 # actually that might not be the latest version 05.33.35 # I'll ask my friend. 05.33.45 # He works for apple! 05.33.47 # webguest44: what's his position within apple? 05.34.02 # 3 years now. 05.34.04 # hey can someone with svn access commit a patch. It doesn't do anything but will be useful and cleans up main_menu.c a bit. 05.34.08 # FS#7897 05.34.43 # I have no idea but hes got a lot of friends! 05.34.46 # webguest44: what does he DO for apple? :) 05.35.36 # how do I compile rbutil? 05.36.01 # Don't know sorry...I've never asked him...but he might give them to you guys cuz he likes rockbox and he wants to get it on his ipod classic too! 05.36.25 # he has all the ipods that ever cam out! 05.36.30 # webguest44: well, we'll be eagerly awaiting :) 05.37.13 # webguest44: the link I gave you before is r14525 it should be r14925 05.37.17 # that is the latest. 05.37.38 # kk thank you! 05.38.15 # I'll do my best to help you guys!! :) 05.38.17 # maybe you need to build it yourself. Anyway im going to use the one from the link I gave. can't work out how to compile it 05.39.08 # I'm trying to download the voice file to make rockbox talk but it won't work? 05.39.45 # webguest44: Download the correct voice file for your player. So if you are using h300 down the h300 voice file. 05.40.14 # rename it to english.voice and put it in .rockbox/langs make sure voice menus is on yes and you should here voicing of the menus 05.40.43 # umm.......sorry i have no idea what that is all i know is i'm using the ipod video 30gig 5th gen. 05.41.05 # where else can i download that? 05.41.05 # wait a sec 05.41.10 # kk 05.41.13 # :) 05.43.08 # ok so your getting the voice file from rbutil? 05.44.03 # You guys are awsome and WAY BETTER than iPod Linux!!!! I uninstalled it cuz it sux!!!! To slow, to confusing, could load rockbox with its bootloader, and it made my ipod freaze too many times, i had no control over the volume, etc. IT SUX ROCBOX ROX!!!!! 05.44.11 # yes i would liuke that file. 05.44.24 # i can't download it though. 05.44.41 Part toffe82 05.44.43 # i tried using the rbutil. 05.45.17 # hmmm that part doesn't seem to be accessible. 05.45.25 # I will give you a link hang on. 05.45.30 # what player? 05.45.36 # 5.5 30 gb? 05.45.39 # ipod? 05.46.22 # no just 5G ipod video 30gigs. 05.47.59 # 5th gen? 05.48.22 # thanks for all the help you guy's are giving me!!! Thank You!!:) 05.48.26 # yes 05.48.49 # just normal ipod video! 05.49.02 # i love rockbox! 05.49.21 # look for "ipodvideo" 05.49.27 # at http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml 05.49.44 # ok thanks! 05.51.16 Quit HellDragon (Client Quit) 05.51.23 # did it work? 05.52.22 # o yeah and you might want to make your own build with about 10 voice patches. So then the quick screen, id3 screen, playlist viewer, plugins, all talk 05.52.36 # and only some plugins 05.53.07 # how do i make those patches? 05.53.16 # also there is one that voices errors and stuff and another one that voices the info screen more and one that improves voice feedback in the bookmarks list 05.53.26 # you apply them to the source. 05.53.35 # do you know how to compile? 05.54.18 # if you can't I can make you a build 05.54.23 # with them 05.54.44 Join HellDragon [0] (n=Nocebo@unaffiliated/helldragon) 05.55.25 # no sorry i don't know how to do this type of stuff. i had do use the rockbox manual and my friend to show me how to install rockbox! lol! 05.56.09 Nick HellDragon is now known as Bitter (n=Nocebo@unaffiliated/helldragon) 05.56.21 # where to i copy the voice file? 05.56.30 # in the languages directory? 05.57.06 # .rockbox/langs 05.57.15 # you must rename it to english.voice 05.57.23 # if you speak english of course! 05.58.25 # ok thank you!!! Thanks alot you guys were awsome!! i have to leave now because i have to pick up my girlfriend i was supposed to do it like ten minutes ago. 05.58.37 # i'm late she'll be pissed!! 05.58.56 # but it was worth it anywas she uses rockbox too! lol! 05.59.10 # did you get it working? 05.59.53 # Thanks for the help!!! I'll be back monday ! i'll try to get those data sheets as soon as possible! 06.01.59 # :) oh i forgot you said you could make me those voice files how will i get them? 06.02.38 # you could just download the rockbox.zip file from my website. It is a build but it would have the voice file in it as well. 06.02.53 # its not there yet do you want me to build you one? 06.02.58 # can i have the site plz? 06.03.50 # its not there yet. but probably http://members.iinet.net.au/~ddalton/rockbox/rockbox-video.zip 06.04.03 # hank you bye 06.05.00 Quit webguest44 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 06.05.30 # eager fellow, isn't he? 06.05.54 # I wonder if his 'friend' will actually produce docs 06.06.15 # that is what i am thinking too 06.06.46 # well, doesn't hurt to be nice to the guy 06.06.57 # who knows, some PP docs would be nice :) 06.10.23 # then there's still the matter of the apple branded chips, ofcourse 06.12.11 Quit ddalton ("leaving") 06.12.15 Join ddalton [0] (n=daniel@203-214-50-20.dyn.iinet.net.au) 06.12.25 Quit ddalton (Client Quit) 06.12.29 Join ddalton [0] (n=daniel@203-214-50-20.dyn.iinet.net.au) 06.12.52 # I was kind of surprised apple used off-the-shelf parts for the ipods, I kind of imagined them to be more... creative ;) 06.13.50 # who knows about the firmware section of the rockbox source 06.17.00 # TMM: what player do you have? 06.17.59 # ddalton: cowon iAudio 7 working on a port, together with other TCC based players :) 06.19.36 # TMM: When inserting the charger does rockbox display a splash message or something like "Charging"? 06.20.36 # ddalton: there is no rockbox for it yet :) we are in a very early stage of development 06.20.47 # ok 06.20.56 # ddalton: it's supposed to show a picture of a usb plug, or the battery icon will show a plug next to it. 06.21.25 # TMM: do you know where I should look to try and make the voice say "Charging"? What code detects when a charger is connected? 06.21.57 # ddalton: I don't know, I'm still working on getting code to run on the thing at all, USB boot mode... 06.22.18 # do you know in general? 06.22.24 # ddalton: I can look for you. 06.22.40 # ddalton: not really, no... 06.22.55 Quit XavierGr () 06.23.43 # somewhere in powermgmt.c I'd imagine 06.23.50 # but exactly how, no 06.24.31 # it would require more than a quick tweak. 06.26.13 # maxkelley: could you have a quick look? 06.26.28 # when the charger is inserted is something displayed on the screen? 06.30.29 # maxkelley: what player do you have 06.30.30 # well, I'm not sure, because my port has a patch where it reboots into the OF when it gets plugged in. 06.30.33 # c200. 06.31.00 # so does mine but if rb is running what is displayed on the screen? 06.31.06 # but if I hold down the center button while I plug it in, I can stay in rockbox, and a little plug icon is displayed next to battery status. 06.31.25 # ok it detects it somewhere. 06.31.36 # so are you using any patches? 06.31.59 # * ddalton hopes he modified the right file 06.32.04 # maxkelley: does it actually charge? 06.33.24 Quit Heyoka (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.34.16 # maxkelley: Since I am blind I can't see the status bar. but does it show the battery level? 06.34.22 # in % 06.35.12 # ddalton: you are blind, yet you code? 06.35.25 # ddalton: doesn't that... suck? :) 06.35.33 # yes that's correct. a blind programmer :-) 06.35.40 # maybe not a programmer yet 06.35.44 # there are many blind programmers 06.36.00 # but nearly there 06.36.00 # sin613: really? 06.36.00 # i went to school with someone who programmed in windows using jaws 06.36.15 # I use jaws but it is not the best for programming. 06.36.24 # you really need a braille display 06.36.36 # do you have one? 06.36.46 # TMM: yes, it charges. sorry. 06.37.06 # ddalton: so do you have your computer read the drivel from the channel to you? or do you read it by braille? 06.37.07 # yes but can't hook it up to this pc (no serial) so I will use it on linux once I get my machine 06.37.26 # no I have to listen to it all 06.37.40 # ha 06.37.52 # ddalton: dear god, doesn't that... suck? :) 06.38.08 # it wouldn't suck if it were a sexy-sounding voice reading it all back 06.38.37 # speaking of which, how difficult would it be to go about making a custom voice file? 06.38.42 # yes especially with all the rubbish that is on here sometimes 06.38.46 # not very hard 06.38.56 # sin613 06.38.59 # heh. for a moment, I thought blind=deaf, and thought "wait, why are you helping a project for digital audio players if you cannot hear it anywho? 06.39.01 # sin613: I'd find it disturbing to think that someone is listening to my drivel in a sexy female voice 06.39.26 # that's what I get for being up late. 06.39.30 # no it is a computer voice and it sounds like a guy. 06.39.42 # but maybe the intention is to make people that know you're listening to the sexy voice feel uneasy 06.39.55 # maybe 06.40.11 # anyhow, a sexy female voice for the rockbox menus would be nice 06.40.16 # goodnight. 06.40.22 # it compiled now the question is "Will it work?" 06.40.23 # or sexy male, if you play for visitor 06.40.29 # ddalton: o good! I feel much better 06.41.05 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 06.41.21 # ddalton: what about punctuation? does it read that back as well? or does it change tone accordingly? 06.42.09 # it reads it as we would speak it. but in the text editor I use for programming I have it say "commer" and speak it all out. 06.42.34 # ddalton: so! this? is! very? annoying! then? 06.42.47 # yes 06.42.51 # lol 06.42.57 # a little bit 06.43.04 Join webguest94 [0] (i=4a80d1f5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f5c8c6122ae2fe02) 06.43.10 # ddalton: sorry, couldn't help myself :P 06.43.21 # nah that's fine :-) 06.43.30 # hey does anyone here have an x5? 06.43.32 # test 06.43.41 # i do 06.43.52 # I did a button map and was wondering if someone could test 06.43.52 # will the rockbox support the sansa c240? 06.44.15 # sin613: can you test a patch for me? 06.44.23 # i'd test... but mine is sitting just out of arm's reach. i'd need to stand up to get it. i know you'll understand. 06.44.30 # j/k 06.44.32 # sure 06.44.42 # sin613: lucky bastard! I couldn't find one anymore 06.44.45 # ok do you have your dev environment setup? 06.44.48 # but it is just out of arm's reach 06.44.51 # yeah, i do 06.45.07 # TMM: no more x5s? 06.45.16 # sin613: nope, none 06.45.22 # ok can you apply FS#6188 the patch from the last comment and tell me what happens if you tap power in the wps? 06.45.31 # it is from ddalton (me!) 06.45.32 # that sucks. i bought 10 of them two januarys ago 06.45.40 # sold all but two 06.45.44 # sin613: TEN? 06.45.47 # one for me, one for my wife 06.46.06 # yeah... i had to pay for our players somehow. made the most sense to sell the players at a profit 06.46.21 # with rockbox on it, I assume? :) 06.46.32 # didn't know about rockbox at the time 06.46.35 # wish i had 06.46.56 # i've only been using since... earlier this year, i guess 06.47.15 # ddalton: give me a moment 06.47.36 # sin613: it's annoying there's none left in the netherlands... 06.47.58 # every now and again you can get refurbs from cowonamerica.com 06.47.58 Quit webguest94 (Client Quit) 06.48.04 # ok thanks 06.48.48 Join lymeca [0] (i=lymeca@unaffiliated/lymeca) 06.49.09 # I just copied the correct partition table over to my 5th gen 30gb to convert to FAT32 06.49.21 # dd if=mbr-video30gb.bin of=/dev/sdc 06.50.30 # but that doesn't really help you in the netherlands, TMM... 06.50.43 # sin613: not really, no :) 06.51.02 # How do I force the iPod into disk mode? 06.51.14 # sin613: Can you have a static bool? 06.51.18 # in c 06.51.23 # After rewriting the partition table to /dev/sdc the iPod seems to enjoy power cycling meaninglessly 06.52.23 # i can't imagine there being any reason you couldn't 06.53.06 # # fdisk /dev/sdc 06.53.07 # Error: Unable to open /dev/sdc - unrecognised disk label. 06.55.11 # If I use a global variable there is no point of a static? 06.58.24 # sin613: did you get a chance to test the patch? 06.59.22 # attempting to apply it. i've never used patches before, so i have no idea why the patch utility is telling me it can't find the file to patch 07.00.03 # from a shell in your sorce root type: patch -p0 < study_mode.patch or .diff what ever it is called. 07.00.14 # did you get the one from the last comment? 07.00.34 # yeah 07.00.57 # ok did the patch apply? 07.01.05 Join jmspeex [0] (n=jmspeex@142.163.233.220.exetel.com.au) 07.01.19 # Hi, is it just me or a lot of info disappeared from your website? 07.01.22 # yeah, it did 07.01.27 # running make now 07.01.32 # ok 07.01.54 # so you don't use patches? then how do you get the new features? 07.01.58 # that patches have 07.02.05 # I'm trying to get more info on supported players, so I can make a decision and I can't find anything beyond "we support X, Y and X". 07.02.37 # Can anyone recommend a player that can actually be bought today. 07.02.39 # i just use svn 07.02.54 # so you just the normal build? 07.02.59 # use the normal build 07.03.04 # with no changes? 07.03.07 # yeah, i've only started poking around in the source 07.03.12 # no, i make changes 07.03.23 # but it's mainly to familiarize myself with the source 07.03.34 # i'm at 15006, this patch didn't cleanly apply 07.03.48 # ok because there are some good patches and if you just compile a clean svn build you my as well get the build from the rb site 07.04.08 # sin613: where did it fail? 07.05.09 # oh f. it's not your patch, it's something else 07.05.25 # ok 07.05.41 # rockbox/build/librockbox.a(pcm.o):(.bss+0x10): multiple definition of `pcm_paused' 07.06.11 # i know the pcm code was changed today 07.06.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.06.42 # what was changed? 07.10.39 # i think i just needed to make clean 07.13.27 # does anyone know what is displayed on the screen when the charger is removed? 07.14.17 # is there any reason why almost every single codec has it's own mdct/idct/fft? wouldn't it make more sense to pull those algorithms into a single library of algorithms to simplify making target-specific code? 07.15.49 # aren't they all slightly different implementations? 07.16.27 # what would the differences be? how the output is quantized? 07.17.08 # sin613: did your build compile? 07.17.27 # making right now 07.17.57 # sorry, i wanted to make sure the clean source would build before i tried building with the patch again 07.18.05 # sin613: I don't really know, I thought there are slightly different ways of doing the transformations 07.18.36 # ok you don't need to type make clean when you go to apply my patch just make 07.18.36 # yeah, mdct is different from idct, but fft gives results that can be quantized back to dct/idct 07.18.46 # ddalton: done, testing 07.18.49 # sin613: I didn't know that :) 07.18.51 # tell me what i'm looking for 07.18.54 # and it works fine here actually I might be using r 15000 07.19.11 # is my patch in that build? 07.19.14 # but there are still multiple implementations of mdct in the source 07.19.19 # ddalton: yes, it built fine 07.20.08 # ok when you go to the wps and tap power what happens? 07.20.29 # copying the build to my player, just a minute 07.21.56 # ok 07.22.11 # * ddalton that reminds ddalton of something 07.22.21 # it just seems like it would make sense for a library of common existing algorithms for a/v codecs be centralized so people don't spend time re-implementing 07.24.13 # ddalton: i heard a voice say "on", i believe 07.24.27 # and track advance is disabled 07.24.30 # so it works 07.24.41 # how do i turn it back off? another short 'power'? 07.24.55 # answered my own question 07.24.58 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 07.24.58 # it said "off" 07.25.08 # looks like your patch is fine 07.25.10 # so if you tap power and then next it jumps by 5 seconds then if you tap power again it goes to the next song if you press next? 07.25.14 # How do I play video with Rockbox? 07.25.31 # lymeca: the mpeg player plugin 07.25.36 # ddalton: when it was "on" i couldn't skip tracks 07.25.49 # that was the patches intention, wasn't it? 07.25.53 # Ah that would make sense that the decoding software not be distributed with ROckbox proper 07.26.06 # Does Rockbox at least ship with decoding support for Theora? 07.26.14 # no 07.26.32 # only mpeg video at the moment 07.26.40 # and it's in the earlier-ish stages 07.28.07 # ddalton: is there anything else about this patch i should test? 07.28.08 # ah 07.28.32 # sin613: Where can I download the mpeg decoder plugin? 07.28.41 # It can decode MPEG-1 through MPEG-4 right? 07.28.41 # ddalton: wait, you're right... it jumps 5 seconds. i must've pressed the button right when the backlight kicked in or something 07.28.53 # no, it can decoce 1 and 2 i think 07.28.55 # decode 07.28.56 # Can it decode both MPEG-4 ASP and MPEG-4 AVC? 07.29.03 # Aw no MPEG-4? 07.29.16 # it's an included plugin 07.29.24 # no mpeg-4. i wish 07.29.28 # How do I access it? 07.29.30 # maybe some day 07.29.39 # you play an mpeg video file 07.29.45 # just like you'd play an mp3 07.29.53 # My AVIs don't show up in 'Files' 07.30.08 # needs to be mpeg 07.30.30 # thats silly 07.30.39 # You can put MPEG-2 video into an AVI container 07.30.49 # Why can't Rockbox recognise AVI files? 07.31.05 # there's the problem, i don't think mpegplayer was written to read AVI containers 07.31.17 # it was written to play mpeg files 07.31.26 # hence the name ;) 07.31.43 # otherwise movieplayer would have been a better choice for a name 07.31.51 # thanks for testing it 07.31.56 # no problem, ddalton 07.31.59 # sin613 07.32.20 # i'd have you test my backlight fading but... well, you know. :) 07.32.29 # i don't know who else has an x5 07.32.39 # what arguments does gui_syncsplash take? 07.33.28 # don't worry about it all it is meant to do is change a setting and speak it. If it changed the setting it will voice it as well 07.33.37 # dunno, where is that file? 07.33.43 # I just now have to make it show a splash screen 07.33.53 # rather, which file is it in 07.33.59 # what? 07.34.11 # which file is gui_syncsplash in? 07.35.09 # gui/splash.c 07.36.12 # don't worry splash.h explains it 07.38.23 Join Peps [0] (n=chatzill@203.118.181.193) 07.38.52 # ddalton: you submitted that patch regarding the battery_bench button mappings on x5, right? 07.39.42 # hi, what would happen if I try to upgrade my apple ipod firmware om an roxboxed 5.5G ? 07.41.27 # sin613: yes but Linus had a better one why? 07.43.10 # ahh. thanks for getting that one out on the table, so to speak. i was still getting my build environment set up and whatnot, so there was nothing i could really do about it 07.43.31 # oh your the one who opened the bug report? 07.43.34 # yeah 07.43.51 # oh ok well that one would work but Linus made it work for all targets 07.44.42 Join sarixe [0] (n=sarixe@pool-68-239-186-190.nwrk.east.verizon.net) 07.45.14 Join homielowe [0] (n=chatzill@d207-81-67-190.bchsia.telus.net) 07.45.22 Quit Peps ("Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.2/2007050914]") 07.50.24 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 07.50.37 Quit kubiix (Client Quit) 07.52.47 # if you ever need a patch tested for the x5, let me know 07.53.28 Quit sin613 ("Leaving.") 07.54.53 # Peps: you would need to reinstall the rb bootloader 07.55.12 # is there anyone not blind like me here who can test a patch. 07.55.26 # and has a h300 or x5 07.57.18 Quit sarixe ("Peace") 08.02.59 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B14CEF.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.04.08 Nick kubrick_ is now known as Presence (i=presence@irev.net) 08.18.19 Part hachi 08.21.19 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.30.45 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 08.39.44 Join hannesd__ [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 08.40.07 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host42-215-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 08.42.56 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 08.45.04 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@adsl-70-134-207-180.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 08.45.10 Quit Llorean (Client Quit) 08.54.19 Quit hannesd_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.57.16 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@66.172.231.192) 08.58.52 Join hachi [0] (i=hachi@shego.kuiki.net) 08.59.33 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B159D6.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.06.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.09.35 Join ilgufo [0] (n=matteo@host126-176-dynamic.10-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 09.14.59 # ddalton: you there? 09.15.16 # yes why? 09.15.25 Quit advcomp2019 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.15.26 # im looking at your patch to move the talk time func tion 09.15.40 # yeah is it any good? 09.15.59 # I'm going to commit it, but I wonder if it would be better to pass the tm struct so it could speak any arbitrary time instead of only the current time? 09.16.44 Quit kclaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.16.49 # I don't know about structs but what do you mean exactly? 09.17.11 # dont worry... ill jus do it :p 09.17.24 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.17.24 # ok then when are you going to commit? 09.17.31 # about 5 mi 09.17.32 # n 09.17.37 # fuck, this keyboard is crap 09.17.41 # ok 09.17.44 # thanks 09.18.29 # JdGordon: That patch was written for a rec button feature. Also it will probably help with a patch sdoyon said he might write 09.18.36 # but I can't get the rec thing to work 09.18.46 # do you think you could have a look at my code? 09.18.54 # ok, well, it seems useful and makes sense anyway which is why its giong in with no fuss 09.19.21 Join Shiny [0] (n=brenda@leibniz.catalyst.net.nz) 09.19.47 # last week of builds won't boot on my nano 1g 09.19.53 # 20th september build will 09.20.10 # yep well I think it is good. It is all to do with voice. 09.20.18 # so it should be in talk.c not main_menu.c 09.20.58 # and then it is good that you can call the time function from anywhere and just need to give the argument true or false to have "current time" voiced or not. 09.22.30 # JdGordon: just an idea I had would a quick menu for blind users be excepted? Maybe a long press of rec? it might contain "time and battery" "volume" "voice" and what ever else might be used 09.22.41 # by blind users. 09.22.56 # and then if voice menus was off a long rec would do what it does now 09.23.25 # Shiny: what bootloader? 09.26.02 # JdGordon: did you see my last message? 09.26.13 # about the rec menu 09.26.21 # blind users quick screen I mean 09.26.29 # busy... 1 min 09.30.16 # does the h300 use "swcodec "? 09.30.36 # yes 09.30.43 # ok 09.31.52 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-209-90.student.uu.se) 09.34.38 # ddalton: as for commiting all the voice patches... the devs havnt decided what we want to do about them 09.35.04 # ddalton: there's more than one??? moment.. 09.35.04 Join cyberoidx [0] (i=cyberoid@60.254.7.225) 09.35.04 # there is a bit of a feeling that some of them are just voicing for the sake of voicing... not really to be more accessable 09.35.14 # anybody online? 09.35.23 # everyone ssshhhhh.... 09.35.28 # hehe 09.35.28 # ok 09.35.29 # he wont see us if we are quiet 09.35.39 # just wanted to point out that rockbox 09.35.47 # is successfully being used on Motorola hones 09.35.52 # *Phones 09.36.06 # is the the sdl port? 09.36.06 # ddalton: "Rockbock boot loader" <---- that's what it sez 09.36.15 # Its not there on the website under the Devices list........ 09.36.16 # Shiny: when did you install it? 09.36.26 # well over a year ago 09.36.33 # then install the new bootlader 09.36.43 # ah 09.37.37 # * Shiny wonders aloud if ther's an announce list that woulda told me there was a new one.. 09.37.49 # here's the link for Rockbox on Moto hones E680i and A780 09.37.50 # MajorChanges page on the wiki 09.37.50 # http://www.motorolafans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11349 09.37.56 # We could do with some help 09.38.33 # JdGordon: well for example I use the playlist viewer a lot and the voicing of the quick screen is quite good. 09.38.47 # if you go in there by mistake and the buttons stop working 09.39.14 # cyberoidx: what sort of help you need? has a patch been released for the official sources so it can maybe become and official port? 09.39.48 # JdGordon: one I think you should commit is p6240. I am not sure what dependencies it has but all blind users say it is very useful. 09.40.13 # hmm.. i dont have much info... but we've been able to run DOS games :D 09.40.16 # by just using voice in the bookmark list you can't even tell what track your bookmark is for 09.40.44 # for some reason they are keeping the discussion at MotorolaFans website instead of bringing it to rockbox so that more peopel can work on it 09.41.02 Quit Alonea ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007073113]") 09.41.36 # JdGordon: did you commit that patch? 09.41.40 # soon 09.41.43 # p7897 09.41.46 # working on 6 things at once 09.42.22 # ok 09.42.27 # * ddalton goes for dinner 09.44.09 Quit cyberoidx ("Hard work pays off in the future, laziness pays off now") 09.46.05 Quit hcs ("Leaving.") 09.46.39 # grr! 09.50.59 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 09.51.05 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 09.51.13 Part Shiny 09.51.36 # morning amiconn 09.52.08 # you actually back? or computer on autopilot? 09.54.55 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 09.54.58 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 09.58.08 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@p54BD66EB.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.00.57 # amiconn: ? 10.01.29 Quit amiconn_ (Nick collision from services.) 10.05.20 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 10.05.26 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 10.10.00 # JdGordon: re: fs#7897 the hwcodec sims don't have sound at all so I don't think it will be a problem if talk stuff is excluded from them as it has been done a few times before 10.10.04 Join Bagder_ [0] (n=daniel@1-1-5-26a.hud.sth.bostream.se) 10.10.07 Join GregorHollmig [0] (i=57a52866@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-657a696bd6f9ad41) 10.10.16 # oh? they dont 10.10.23 # ok, in it goes then 10.10.41 # moin morn 10.11.14 # I've got a problem with installing Rockbox on my Sansa E280 10.11.24 # JdGordon: yes? 10.11.29 # Might so helpme? 10.11.35 # dont worry, n1s just fixed me up 10.12.01 # it doesn't matter if it is hwcodec it just moves the original speaking of the time to a function in talk.c. You would need access still to talk.c for it to work from main_menu.c 10.12.14 # for functions like talk_id 10.14.01 # I just installed the Bootloader on my Sansa, then I unplugged it. The problem is, that the original Firmware doesn't start somehow. 10.14.16 # Grr, that warning in cfft.c is really a gcc bug 10.14.53 # do they know about it? 10.15.12 # It does complain no matter how I cast the pointer, but if I pass (const complex_t*)NULL it doesn't complain 10.16.01 # JdGordon: what change did you make? 10.16.21 # read my comment 10.17.01 # Anyone here to help me? 10.17.36 # GregorHollmig: what with 10.17.51 # amiconn: as nasy as it is.. what about just cast it to void*? 10.18.15 # [10:15:12] It does complain no matter how I cast the pointer <== that included a cast to void* 10.18.23 # oh, ouch :p 10.18.57 # JdGordon: like what sort of times? 10.19.00 # Since I Installed the Sansa Bootloader on my Sansa E280 two hours ago I cannot boot theold Firmware 10.19.24 # ddalton: it can now talk any time oyu would want.. so you maniupulatate the tm structr before passing it in 10.19.40 # so what arguments would it take? 10.19.41 # I pressed the Back Key but it doesnt change anything (I'm sorry for my bad english, i'm german^^) 10.20.19 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 10.21.53 # * JdGordon wnders if he f*cked up... green deltas?! 10.22.26 # green on rtf, and red on non-rtc!? 10.23.08 # andrewg867: 10.23.31 # GregorHollmig: how did you instal rockbox? 10.23.39 # with sansapatcher? or..? 10.27.09 # GregorHollmig: you didn't use the sansapatcher 0.2, did you? 10.27.19 # well... 10.27.30 Quit Bagder (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.27.36 # o 10.27.37 # no 10.27.43 Nick Bagder_ is now known as Bagder (n=daniel@1-1-5-26a.hud.sth.bostream.se) 10.27.47 # JdGordon: was your change to make it require 2 arguments? one on what time to voice like get_time () and then weather to speak "current" 10.27.50 # i used the sansapatcher 0.4 10.27.57 # ddalton: yes 10.27.58 # actually I did the last argument to speak "current time" 10.28.31 # with the 2.0 Bootloader ... thats what the DosBox says ... 10.28.32 # GregorHollmig: that's a bug we're currently trying to sort out, try the oldish 0.2 until then 10.28.42 # Bagder: around? 10.28.44 # but what can I do now? 10.28.50 # i cannot start the player! 10.28.51 # ddalton: yes? 10.29.07 # i cannot start the Firmware with pressing |<< 10.29.14 # what about with usb? 10.29.17 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet22.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 10.29.20 # and I can't connect the player with my computer 10.29.23 # GregorHollmig: manufacture mode 10.29.32 # or even recovery mode 10.29.34 # how can I get in manufacture mode? 10.29.37 # recovery mode first... 10.29.55 # ok how can I do? 10.30.14 # turn on hold, hold rec while turning it on 10.30.16 # Bagder: what are we going to do about a main tainer for voice? 10.30.17 # then plug in usb 10.30.30 # k 10.30.45 # maintainer 10.31.11 # GregorHollmig: then copy the OF .mi4 from sansa onto it 10.31.35 # damn, it doesnt work! Their only appears ROCKBOX bootloader ... 10.31.48 # you didnt hold rec long enoughthen 10.32.00 # ok 10.32.56 # hmm... can't load from partition bad checksum 10.33.06 # sstill not holding it long enough 10.33.22 # can 10.33.24 # turn on hold 10.33.45 # then hold rec down untill the sandisk logo shows 10.34.01 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 10.34.47 Join webguest99 [0] (i=cbd051c7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9ef97e95375daf9d) 10.34.53 # ddalton: what voice maintainer? 10.35.07 # hey 10.35.24 # hey 10.35.43 # hey 10.35.57 # /repeat off 10.37.02 Quit webguest99 (Client Quit) 10.38.26 # well ... when do i have to start holding rec? ... i pressed it when pressing power... and hold it tille the player turned of after showing some lines of Rockbox (i've taken a picture of it... i'm gonna write down what i can see) 10.41.42 Join |desowin| [0] (n=desowin@hdp186.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 10.43.34 # Rockbox boot loader | Version: r14712 : 14722 - 070915 | Partition 0: 0x0B 7649 MB |Partition 1 : 0x84 20MB | Loading original firmware ... | Trying firmwae partition | BL mi4 size: EC00 | OF mi4 size : 58700 | CR32 : 225051CE | Model id: e200 | Binary Type : RB0F | CalculatedCR32: 245F22B7 | Can't load from partition | Bad checksum |Trying /System/OF.mi4 | File not found | Trying /System/OF.bin | Can't lo 10.43.36 # thats it 10.43.41 # | = New line 10.43.52 Nick |desowin| is now known as desowin (n=desowin@hdp186.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 10.44.02 # GregorHollmig: you followed the manual when you installed this? 10.45.30 # Bagder: what do you think of all the voice patches in the tracker? 10.45.59 Join Tanuva [0] (n=tanuva@83.220.128.10) 10.46.20 # ddalton: in my view, they don't differ much from all the other patches. They need attention and care from committers. 10.47.14 # Bagder: Well do you think there has to be someone who is happy to maintain voice? 10.47.24 # that would certainly help, yes 10.47.38 # and what would they need to know 10.47.41 # i didn't use the manual of rockbox.org, i used a manual from a german page... 10.47.47 Quit atsea-34 (Remote closed the connection) 10.47.57 # http://www.pcmasters.de/forum/consumer-electronics/11137-rockbox-fuer-den-sansa-sandisk-e200-e250-e260-e270.html <-- Thats the manual I used 10.48.03 # GregorHollmig: that's probably your problem then I'd say 10.49.10 # ok, ... well... but what can I do now? ... I just bought the player a few days ago on amazon xD ... is their any possibility to put on the old Firmware? 10.49.20 Quit SirFunk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.49.30 # anyone know how the 'hold menu' trick to silence the USB negotiation trick works at the hardware level on ipods? 10.49.41 # GregorHollmig: yes, using the recovery mode 10.49.44 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@206-159-155-246.netsync.net) 10.49.49 # I note that the behavior changed sometime between august and now 10.50.00 # and it works a lot better, but I'm not sure what changed 10.50.34 # ddalton: they would need to know rockbox and things, like any ordinary committer 10.50.54 # well... but i cant start the recoverymode 10.50.57 # ddalton: like i said this arvo, you dont have o be in the maintainers list to keep voice updated/maintained... 10.51.10 # GregorHollmig: then try again 10.51.22 # as a last resort, you can do manufacture mode 10.52.20 # how? 10.53.47 # I forgot using the hold 10.54.26 # JdGordon: could someone like me maintain voice if I got svn access? 10.54.37 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 10.54.39 # now i'm in recovery mode^^ :-) 10.55.41 # ddalton: there isnt only 1 person maitinaing each section.. so yes, if someone like you got commit access then there is no reason why not 10.56.24 # JdGordon: ok I thought I wasn't really a programmer but I would be happy to maintainer it if I got access. 10.56.34 # how do I get svn access? 10.57.06 # like i said this morning... its offered out if the powers that be feel your ready.. 10.57.48 # so I have to wait. I can't just say I will maintain something and get access? 10.58.03 # * JdGordon bashes head against the wall 10.58.04 # now I see a 16MB-FORMAT directory / drive on the computer... what to do now? 10.58.23 # you dont have to be in that file to be the "maintainer"... you can keep submitting patches 10.58.43 # that file is used so people who dont have commit access kow who they can turn to to nag to get patches commited 10.59.04 # the parts without a maintaner means its fair game for everyone 10.59.04 # JdGordon: ok but as Stephane said there is no point submitting more patches if they aren't been except. (voice ones) 10.59.33 # GregorHollmig: take a look here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick 11.01.02 # ok 11.01.05 # i will 11.01.27 Join Redbreva_Away [0] (n=chatzill@host86-138-16-226.range86-138.btcentralplus.com) 11.01.48 Nick Redbreva_Away is now known as Redbreva (n=chatzill@host86-138-16-226.range86-138.btcentralplus.com) 11.02.31 Quit BHSPitLappy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.03.53 Nick hannesd__ is now known as hannesd_ (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 11.04.02 Quit GregorHollmig ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 11.05.42 Join GregorHollmig [0] (i=57a52866@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3ee85ba230934361) 11.06.25 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.07.35 # Folks, general opinion on a recently submitted theme for rockbox-themes: It's a remake of "iPod Simple" but "It uses the original iPod images extracted from the apple firmware" - does that make it a no-go for submission? 11.09.09 # After all you can't CC licence Apples original icons can you... 11.10.12 # Redbreva: that's pretty much a text book example of copyright violation 11.12.10 # Daft thing is, I can't see any major difference from the iPod Simple theme it's based on - which has original 'Look Alike' graphics ! 11.13.19 # jdgordon: what is wrong with a configurable rec button? 11.13.59 # Redbreva: but its a difference to draw the images by hand or to extract them from the firmware 11.14.53 # ddalton: 1) we dont want configurable buttons in rockbox, 2) rec button is already in use 11.14.58 # Exactly, so as the 'drawn' ones are so good - why go to the trouble to 'rip' the original ones with all the possible problems that could bring? 11.15.31 # I'm so happy^^... after creating a sansa.fmt File on the 16MB Drive he formatted and now I see the old Firmware 11.15.48 # Redbreva: to be able to say "they're the originals" - but that doesnt help you getting it submitted 11.15.51 # i think i'm gonna try to install RockBox again with the Bootloader o.2 11.15.53 # :-) 11.15.57 # thx 4 your help! 11.16.50 # JdGordon: why don't we want configurable buttons in rockbox? 11.17.45 # Thanks Guys, you confirmed my thoughts - theme has been rejected ;-) 11.19.39 Quit GregorHollmig ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 11.21.37 Join slynk [0] (n=boh_@CPE-121-210-193-203.qld.bigpond.net.au) 11.22.13 # wassup everyone.. 11.22.30 # i've got a little question. 11.22.46 # about rockbox themes for iaudio X5 11.23.33 # i dont know what im doing wrong but i can get the "now playing" page to show any changes except for the background picture. 11.24.48 # the menu is amazing with little icons and everything, but im looking at the screen shot of what the "now playing" screen is ment to look like, and my iaudio doesn't look anything like that 11.25.22 # perhaps the theme needs a custom build or a patch for rockbox 11.25.23 # its just got this white db meter.. and some shoody text.. 11.25.33 # slynk: the wps file in the there is either broken or needs patches 11.25.52 # hmm well i've tried 2 different themes.. 11.26.10 # i figured it must have been something i was doing wrong... 11.26.18 # what kind od patches?? 11.27.02 # (btw.. im trying to use http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=160x128x16 IAudioPod v2) 11.27.58 # it should say what patches you need at the same place you DL it from, otherwise google it. 11.28.23 # slynk: That theme says it requires the "webshop build" 11.28.32 Join DefineByte [0] (n=DefineBy@bb-87-81-195-5.ukonline.co.uk) 11.28.35 # slynk: that theme states that it needs "jeff's own build" which is an unoffical build with some patches 11.28.50 # oh true.. 11.28.59 # And the name links to a download to it 11.29.00 # ah, sorry looked at the wrong one put the 11.29.18 # ok i'll give it a shot.. 11.29.24 # Ouch, and those builds are from May... 11.29.25 Quit kubiix (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.29.38 # quick before i have to go to work hehe 11.29.58 Nick Redbreva is now known as Redbreva_Away (n=chatzill@host86-138-16-226.range86-138.btcentralplus.com) 11.30.53 # ./getting_started/installation.tex:149: Package utf8x Error: Character 145 appeared alone. 11.30.55 # Any ideas? Trying to add a patch and get this error on building the manual. 11.31.36 # DefineByte: Could you compile the manual without the patch? 11.31.47 # yes 11.32.08 # I know I've introduced an error somewhere but... 11.32.28 # Did the patch modify installation.tex ? 11.32.39 # yes. 11.32.39 Quit ddalton (Connection reset by peer) 11.32.47 # Do you have a link to it? 11.33.04 Join ddalton [0] (n=daniel@203-214-50-20.dyn.iinet.net.au) 11.33.06 # It sounds like it's introducing a non-utf8 character into the file. 11.33.13 Join pixelma [0] (i=57b9f707@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 11.33.38 # No, I don't have a link. I'll sort one out in a moment, thanks 11.34.13 # It's my own patch I was testing before putting it up on flyspray 11.35.05 # why don't we want configurable buttons in rockbox? JdGordon? 11.35.45 # DefineByte: Can you just paste the lines around line 149 in installation.tex to pastebin.ca ? 11.35.58 # (or maybe the whole of installation.tex) 11.35.59 # yeah, sure 11.37.23 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 11.37.55 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.dsl.t-2.net) 11.38.33 # what should I use for the content type? 11.39.02 # Plain text will do 11.39.37 # http://pastebin.ca/728737 11.40.16 # I've experimented a bit with the mpegplayer on my ipod photo/color and found a quite good settings-set for ffmpeg with not too much skipping - may someone be interested in it? 11.42.35 # Tanuva: You could add the info to the PluginMpegplayer wiki page. 11.44.11 Quit solatis (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.44.35 Join funky_ [0] (n=repulse@81.202.252.240.dyn.user.ono.com) 11.46.14 Nick funky_ is now known as kubrick (n=repulse@81.202.252.240.dyn.user.ono.com) 11.46.33 Join solatis [0] (i=lmergen@cc1172915-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) 11.48.04 Join random_desu_is_s [0] (n=chatzill@inet-out.dsl-nat.sura.ru) 11.48.44 # DefineByte: I get a different error - "! Too many }'s." then "l.377 }" But after deleting that } it works. 11.49.13 # that's... slightly weird >.> 11.49.29 # in the menu api doc on the wiki it says "callback" what is "callback"? 11.49.29 # The file did come through as having DOS line endings. I changed them to Unix. 11.50.02 # hmm. hang on a mo. 11.50.11 # linuxstb: is the new chapter complete then? 11.50.29 # * ddalton should have read on 11.51.01 Quit amiconn (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 11.51.23 # http://definebyte.co.uk/files/manual_install.patch 11.51.23 # Do you get the same with that (sorry to be a burden)? 11.51.30 # pixelma: Yes, it seems to be. Doing an "svn diff" shows a sensible-looking set of changes. 11.52.28 # DefineByte: I know it's using a macro, but I don't like the term "Ipod bootloader" - I think "Apple bootloader" would make it clearer. i.e. both ourselves and Apple write software to run on ipods. 11.53.05 # hmm, yeah. good point 11.53.09 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF752E.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.54.06 # DefineByte: And I'm not sure you should be using those utf-8 quotes, but I'll leave that for one of the latex experts to decide. 11.54.32 # really? just ' then? 11.55.04 # and "/ 11.55.15 # linuxstb: trying to edit the PluginMpegplayer page, twiki tells me that access from web has been denied. What can I do about that? 11.55.24 # No, you don't use ", you use pairs of single quotes. Latex converts them IIUC. 11.55.31 Join seablue [0] (n=s@0x535c1344.banxx3.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) 11.55.39 # Tanuva: Are you registered in the twiki? 11.55.42 # interesting 11.56.00 # yes, just created an account 11.56.04 # why's that? do " mess things up then? 11.56.20 # Tanuva: Then you need someone (I can do it) to give you write access. What's your twiki name? 11.56.31 # linuxstb: MarcelBrueggebors 11.56.59 # DefineByte: I'm not sure if utf-8 quotes will cause any problems, just that I don't think they're needed. But as I said, probably best to see what someone who knows latex better than me says. 11.57.57 # okay, will do. I've been trying to catch bluebrother for a few days x) 11.58.04 # linuxstb, DefineByte: from the LatexGuidelines wiki "They are coded in LaTeX as `` (two backticks) for the opening quotation mark and '' (two apostrophes) for the closing quotation marks" 11.58.26 # pixelma: That's what I thought... 11.58.41 # Tanuva: Try again now. 11.58.44 Quit pixelma ("lunch bbl") 11.58.49 # qgat are backticks? 11.59.06 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-230-188.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 11.59.07 # ` 11.59.34 # (I'm not sure how else I can describe it...) 11.59.44 # are they on the keyboard (i realise i can copy and paste)? 11.59.53 # linuxstb: works now, thanks :) 12.00.48 # DefineByte: Well, it's on my (UK) keyboard on the very top-left key (to the left of 1). I can't see your keyboard ;) 12.01.06 # ` hah yes, there it is 12.01.15 # doh 12.01.42 # thanks 12.01.45 # :) 12.04.34 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3084.gwdg.de) 12.06.56 # JdGordon: why didn't you move the "save theme settings" entry to the theme settings menu too? 12.14.51 Quit BigBambi ("Cheers") 12.15.39 Join PaulJam_ [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3047.gwdg.de) 12.18.22 # grrrr, I still get the same error. I guess my build environment could be screwed. 12.25.57 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.26.00 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF5C1C.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.29.46 Join Conspirator45 [0] (i=cbd051c7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-29c19d6b805ecd68) 12.30.45 # hello 12.30.46 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12.30.50 # I'm not seeing crlf in the file and it still won't compile for me. this is getting annoying. 12.31.33 # DefineByte: I don't understand either - I just applied your patch, and get the same problem. 12.31.44 # where do i put fonts on rockbox? 12.32.00 # Conspirator45: /.rockbox/fonts 12.33.52 # DefineByte: Hmm, changing the opening quote before Autodetect on line 145 fixed it for me... 12.34.05 # (changing to a backtick) 12.35.04 # im using a build that doesnt have that folder. can i just add it? 12.35.14 # i've already done that (as I said) and I get nothing. Okay, I'll try again. grr. I must be missing something obvious. 12.36.03 # Conspirator45: yes 12.36.17 # it wasnt there for me, too. created it and it just works ;) 12.36.25 # DefineByte: I could upload my copy of installation.tex 12.36.45 # no no, I want to fix it so I don't make the same mistake again :D 12.36.57 # thanks for the offer though 12.37.22 # DefineByte: You could do a diff between my version and yours and see what is different... 12.37.30 Join PaulJam [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3014.gwdg.de) 12.37.48 # yeah, I could x) 12.38.06 # i just found where i went wrong though, so it's okay 12.38.12 # hopefully 12.38.14 # :D 12.38.27 # thanks tanuva 12.39.23 # DefineByte: I think it's simply that you're not saving the file with utf-8 encoding. 12.41.47 Quit ilgufo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.42.13 # oo it builds. thanks a lot 12.43.51 Quit Conspirator45 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 12.44.12 # I've noticed that both '/.rockbox' and '.rockbox' are used when referring to the .rockbox directory. Which is best? 12.47.28 # I would probably say ".rockbox", as people may not understand the significance of the /. I've read at least one person say they couldn't create a folder with a / in the name... 12.48.14 # that was my thought as well. thanks 12.49.39 # even the dot at the beginning is hard for some people 12.49.40 Quit PaulJam_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12.50.05 # well that's unavoidable 12.50.23 # sure 12.50.42 # although it doesnt do its job on windows machines 12.51.04 # i don't think you'd want it hidden on a PC would you? 12.52.27 # in some cases that would be useful.. but, no, how would people for which it should be hidden come to a working rockbox installation... 12.52.51 # forget it, just thinking :) 12.52.55 # :) 12.57.17 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 12.57.47 Quit billytwowilly (Connection timed out) 13.04.42 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=fake@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 13.05.50 Join ilgufo [0] (n=matteo@host115-173-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 13.06.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.07.29 Join Buschel [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3E917.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.10.29 Quit ilgufo (Client Quit) 13.17.46 Quit petur ("*plop*") 13.20.03 Join pixelma_ [0] (i=57b9f707@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-cc39e40b69a83a27) 13.20.38 Quit pixelma_ (Client Quit) 13.23.59 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@e176236175.adsl.alicedsl.de) 13.24.05 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 13.24.29 Join pixelma [0] (n=Marianne@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 13.26.11 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54965124.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.30.48 Quit ddalton ("leaving") 13.30.50 Join Wiwie [0] (n=goddi@86-41-127-110.b-ras2.lmk.limerick.eircom.net) 13.32.14 Nick parafin|away is now known as parafin (i=parafin@paraf.in) 13.35.39 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A6CEE.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.50.24 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@83.233.243.132) 13.51.04 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 13.53.08 Join kugel [0] (i=kugel@e178081213.adsl.alicedsl.de) 13.58.35 Nick Redbreva_Away is now known as Redbreva (n=chatzill@host86-138-16-226.range86-138.btcentralplus.com) 13.58.41 Quit Redbreva ("Out for the day...!") 13.59.07 Join Redbreva [0] (n=chatzill@host86-138-16-226.range86-138.btcentralplus.com) 13.59.09 Quit Redbreva (Client Quit) 14.02.03 Join Temik [0] (n=temik@77.51.21.132) 14.05.04 Quit qwm (Remote closed the connection) 14.05.20 Join qwm [0] (n=qwm@h38n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 14.07.02 # Slasheri: around? 14.07.16 Quit linuxstb ("Leaving") 14.08.07 Quit Wiwie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.14.07 Join Fraser [0] (n=Fraser@thelawsons.plus.com) 14.14.49 Join yhtan [0] (i=db5fc85a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0f8cf7f7af3e39ca) 14.14.56 # halllox 14.14.59 # Lear: hi 14.15.42 # i am using sansa e200... can u give me the rockbox folder after patch 14.15.52 # for album art 14.16.10 # cause i dunno patch file 14.16.34 # ???? 14.16.47 # :( 14.17.03 # any1 help me 14.17.11 # if you cant patch you probably also cant compile.. so take a look at the unsupported builds in the forum.. 14.17.56 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 14.18.08 Quit desowin ("use linux") 14.18.08 # then u send me the whole rockbox folder 14.18.27 # after compile 14.18.44 # i dont send you anything.. go take a look into the forum.. for precompiled unsopported builds.. 14.19.10 # can u give me the link? 14.19.37 # yhtan: use your brain... and search rockbox.org.. 14.19.59 # cause i am newbie 14.20.13 # forums.rockbox.org 14.20.32 Join Crash91 [0] (i=c4da506c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0740604d7f44203b) 14.20.36 # hello 14.21.22 # hi :) 14.22.13 # can anyone link me to the rockbox font converter thing? im sure i saw somthing like that on rockbox... 14.23.33 # Crash91: which converter ? (from bdf to fnt ? ) 14.24.55 # yes please 14.25.37 # the convertor from bdf to fnt is in the svn, int the tools dir... compile it yourself.. :-) 14.26.09 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3014.gwdg.de) 14.27.12 # * Crash91 is not on linux and doesnt have the slightest idea how to use cygwin 14.27.47 # if i was on fedora i would compile it....but im not lol....are there any precompiled builds available? 14.28.01 # i could compile you on, i think, but you need cycgwin of course.. :-) 14.28.23 # thats ok....fond it 14.28.26 # found* 14.28.38 # * Crash91 is very dumb: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxFontConvertor 14.28.51 # Slasheri: Hi there, the fdbind_cache is causing some problems (disabled dircache). 14.29.20 # Any ideas on how to improve it, without increasing the size? 14.29.48 # Crash91: isnt that the tts -> bdf/fnt converter ? 14.29.50 # I was thinking about re-using entries if the fd number is the same. 14.30.42 # ttf, yes 14.31.24 # oops....my bad i thought you said from ttf>bdf 14.31.34 # not bdf to fnt =P 14.31.42 Quit Buschel () 14.31.47 # :-) 14.32.23 # ive almost finished a theme and was thinking of converting this font to go with it.... 14.32.54 # if the font turns out ok, will it be possible to include it in the fonts package?? 14.33.05 # Crash91: make sure you are allowd to distribute the font.. 14.33.07 Join bobbo [0] (n=bobbo@82-41-58-125.cable.ubr08.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 14.33.37 # * Crash91 thanks, ill check... 14.33.41 # Hi, im planning to put Rockbox on my new Sansa e280, how likely is it that i'll end up bricking the thing? 14.33.48 # unlikely 14.33.56 # =) i have a sansa too 14.34.26 # once i install Rockbox, if i dont like it can i go back to the original firmware? 14.34.27 # not very likely 14.34.38 # yes 14.34.52 # this gets better by the second :D 14.35.00 Join darksaboteur [0] (n=darksabo@75.73.87.203.static.nsw.chariot.net.au) 14.35.06 # its very simple 14.35.06 # basically 14.35.28 # you just replace the original sansa software with the rockbox loader 14.35.55 Quit barrywardell () 14.35.57 # the loader checks at startup if youre holding the |<< key, if so then it goes into the sansa FW 14.36.05 # so just make a backup of the original firmware files replace them with Rockbox's and im away? 14.36.10 # otherwise it loads rockbox from an image on disk 14.36.16 # not exactly 14.36.29 # i advise you to read the manual on the rockbox page and also 14.36.34 # youll have to do several things 14.36.42 # the manual isn't very good in this area 14.37.04 # Is the H300 bootloader stable at the moment? 14.37.13 # first, you need to obtain the mi4 version of the sansa firmware and decrypt it.....it sounds tricky but simple if you follow instructions.. 14.37.14 # ill give the manual a go and come back if i need any more help :D 14.37.26 # sure ;) 14.37.39 # btw: http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=176x220x16 14.38.03 # bobbo: mybe try rbutil.. it wraps the install process in a nice gui :-) 14.38.13 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 14.38.29 # 20MB!! not very nice for people on 256k like me 14.38.37 # ty Domonoky, just read that bit in the manual, looks properly easy 14.38.39 # its just easier for me to do it the old way 14.38.46 # =) 14.39.32 # Crash91: What is 20 mb? 14.39.42 # BigBambi:rbutil 14.39.50 # For which platform? 14.40.14 # AFAIK, win32 and linux 14.40.18 # It is 2.6 mb for Windows 14.40.19 # not sure about OSX 14.40.35 # OSX 7.8, linux 3.8 14.40.51 # =$ , well mustve got it wrong when i saw it.... 14.41.01 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtilityQt 14.41.04 # i think that was armoredcavalry's RB isntaller 14.41.10 # Whose? 14.41.17 # Domonky:http://www.urbanfonts.com/fonts/Backslash.htm 14.41.20 # * BigBambi detects unsupportedness 14.41.24 # do you think i can put it on? 14.41.31 # lol, true 14.41.47 # do i need to run rbutilqt as root? 14.41.52 # What extra does it add that the official doesn't? 14.42.01 # for bootloader installation yes.. 14.42.15 # because the ipod/sanapatcher needs raw disc access.. 14.42.47 # well i guess its just a hugely bloated installer...badly coded in something like VB 14.43.14 # Anyway, it is unsupported 14.43.26 # RockboxUtilityQT works excellently and is supported 14.43.27 # Crash91: about the font... do you know the exact licenc ? 14.43.31 # Why not use that? 14.43.37 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.43.51 # In cases, where there are no visible copyright notices, you need to assume that the file is copyrighted. 14.44.06 # By downloading any material from our site or using them you agree that you have read and understood that the font or dingbat copyrights belongs to the designer of such product. 14.44.07 # Domonoky: Download the font, the licence is in the archive 14.44.20 # It is free for non-commercial use with some limitations 14.44.45 # But I don't know how that meshes with us distributing it 14.44.51 # This font is free for personal and/or non-commercial use. This means that I grant you the license to use it ALMOST as much as you like (see Limitations). 14.44.55 Quit DefineByte () 14.45.05 # the limitations prevent you from modifiying it... 14.45.15 # now it only depends on the limitations.. :-) 14.45.17 # thats mostly it 14.45.20 # What about redistribution? 14.45.29 # A. Reverse Engineering 14.46.00 # linuxstb:You may give away single copies of the software as long as you don't modify this license or other files of the archive. 14.46.01 # Secion s A and B look a little suss 14.46.06 # See this rockdoom.zip rbutilqt is downloading, that isnt Doom is it? 14.46.16 # bobbo: Freedoom 14.46.22 # bobbo: thats the freedom wads.. 14.46.30 # FreeDoom on an MP3 Player? 14.46.32 # So yYep 14.46.39 # :-) 14.46.51 # God Rockbox is awesome 14.46.55 # We know :) 14.46.59 # * Crash91 sees bobbo's mouth watering 14.47.05 # mpegplayer roxx... :D 14.47.17 # rockbox PWNS 14.47.19 # Crash91: That sounds pretty much like we can't convert it to Rockbox's font format and redistribute. 14.47.27 # to put it in crude terms,,, 14.47.28 # That's what I thought 14.47.32 # linuzstb: =( 14.47.36 # linux* 14.47.46 # no gsoc summitters showed up yet? 14.48.10 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.182.13) 14.48.17 # on internet access on google.. *hehe* :-) 14.48.18 # does that prevent me from converting it and uploading it to rockbox-themes with a theme i made? 14.48.25 # Bagder: Obviously too busy with their new google friends... ;) 14.48.27 # Crash91: I'd say so 14.48.31 # I guess ;-) 14.48.34 # and what if i include the license file 14.48.44 # The licence says the unmodified zip 14.48.51 # oo 14.49.06 # Converting the font to RB format is moifying to my mind 14.49.13 # well if i do it....and put a disclaimer in the notes, something along the lines of 14.49.14 # *modifying 14.49.27 # THIS FONT IS ILLEGAL, you are responsible if you use it? 14.49.29 # You can't circumvent a licence with a disclaimer 14.49.32 # No 14.49.41 # You are responsible for distributing it 14.49.51 # amiconn: you noticed the red, right? 14.49.53 # aah well 14.49.59 # Bagder: yup 14.50.02 # if only i could make .FNT files 14.50.03 # Crash91: You're free to do whatever you want on your own website, but I doubt the admin of rockbox-themes.org will allow you to do it there. 14.50.09 # I am working on the solution 14.50.12 # There is an e-mail address given - try e-mailing him 14.50.14 # just checking 14.50.36 # ok, linuxstb, will do BigBambi 14.51.16 # Ok, i ran rbutilqt, installed everything am i good to just unmount and test it out? 14.51.26 # bobbo: Go for it! 14.51.46 # Did you install bootloader, build, fonts? 14.51.51 # They are the essentials 14.52.12 # bobbo: just out of curiosity, does your distro of linux say writing whenever you connect your sansa? even if there is no disk access? 14.52.12 # Although you will want to add some themes, as the default is, well, interesting 14.52.16 Quit Caliban (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.52.21 # yeah i did the main installation thing on the first page, definately installed a bootloader 14.52.25 # Cool 14.52.32 # BigBambi:no, horribly plain 14.52.34 # Lear: hmm, so fdbind_cache runs out of space.. 14.52.43 # Crash91: That's what I meant.... 14.53.06 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@pD955D8C8.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.53.14 # what player(s) do you own? 14.53.19 Join Caliban [0] (n=ianmacd@212.178.35.29) 14.53.22 # Me? 14.53.24 Join moos [0] (i=moos@m82.net81-66-159.noos.fr) 14.53.35 # yes, and anyone else who would like to sharre 14.53.38 # H140 and F60, with an S60 on the way 14.53.51 # =) nice, sansa e250 here.... 14.53.53 # iPod Photo... 14.54.04 # Sansa e280 14.54.20 # bobbo: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsSansaE200 - note some require patched or custom builds which are unsupported 14.54.31 # bobbo: have you ever opened your sansa? =P 14.54.44 # bobbo: also, http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=176x220x16 14.54.46 Quit MethoS- (Remote closed the connection) 14.54.54 # Slasheri: Yes, saw a logf dump where one of the dircache_update_ functions complained. After dircache init was complete, there were two cached updates for fd 0 and nvram.bin. 14.55.47 # This can happen if you start playback while dircache is initializing, but I'm unsure about the exact circumstances. 14.55.53 # BigBambi: never opened my sansa, got the AquaGreen theme, everythings working perfectly so i dont think i need a patch 14.55.59 # Cool 14.56.25 # bobbo: i made the crash, escapePod,, HiPod Dark, ipod sansa, ipod vision, ipod vision OSX , and infally text themes 14.56.25 # the sansa is quite easy to open 14.56.30 # and close again ;-) 14.56.39 # Lear: hmm, where can i find the logf dump? 14.56.52 # i clean my screen quite often, dust+empty MicroSD slot=dirty screen 14.57.29 # i jsut got my sansa last Tuesday, not really done much to it yet, jsut been dumping songs on it and stuff 14.57.29 # bobbo:i guess you would like a theme with a larg(ish) font? 14.57.39 # heheh, 14.57.46 # Slasheri: Here: http://pastebin.ca/727390 14.57.55 # Lear: thanks 14.58.08 # Crash91: im good with AquaGreen ;D 14.58.21 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@pD955D8C8.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.58.34 # * Crash91 is about to release yet another theme (lol) and would like your opinion on it 14.59.14 Quit darksaboteur ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.7/2007091417]") 15.02.16 # bobbo:http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/9867/themegx7.jpg 15.02.32 # Lear: interesting 15.02.53 # made from scratch xD 15.03.03 # * BigBambi spots the suspect font 15.03.23 # :) 15.03.28 # well..its non commercial 15.03.32 # ;) 15.03.49 # Rockbox's Doom is utterly awesom 15.04.02 # cant wait til school, i can just play that all day 15.04.22 # what do you think i do in class??! 15.04.29 # :D 15.04.38 # bobbo: You know there are gameboy and spectrum emulators too, as well as many plugin games? 15.04.59 # didnt know that :D 15.04.59 # * BigBambi doesn't use the games much, a dap is for music 15.05.02 # Lear: yeah, there is a problem 15.05.09 # Are there plugins to view pictures aswell? 15.05.13 # jpeg 15.05.24 # Have a look at the fine manual, it tells you all 15.05.32 # Lear: either close operation should block until dircache is built and the new filesize and startcluster needs to be cached as well 15.05.42 # GOd i love RockBox 15.06.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.06.41 # * Crash91 finsihed doom then brickmania, then bubbles, then got bored 15.06.49 # lol 15.06.59 # Slasheri: Block close wouldn't be very nice, as the nvram.bin file is updated a couple of times during boot, it seems. Looks like that from the sim at least. 15.07.04 # Lear: i will check if it's possible to extend the caching 15.07.27 # bobbo: The only downside is on newer portalplayer units battery life is down a bit owing to undocumented hardware. On other units, battery life is longer than the OF 15.07.40 # probably a second cache for closed fds (with just startcluster and size) should do it 15.08.50 # BigBambi: I keep mine plugged in to charge whenever im not using it, not really that much of a problem unless im on a school trip or something 15.09.01 # bobbo: No worries then 15.10.17 # isnt it about 5-6 hours compared to 15hours in the OF? 15.10.34 # Crash91: Most people report 10+ on Sansa 15.10.38 # * Crash91 wonders when USB will be enabled... 15.10.44 # well i never tried =P 15.10.45 # When someone writes it 15.10.54 # It isn't a case of enabling it 15.10.59 # i know 15.11.07 # the stack driver? 15.11.10 # It will be done when it is done 15.11.19 # i read about the sending 0s thing lol 15.14.05 # * Bagder talked to Zagor about USB yday 15.14.21 # he intends to basically do it all over 15.14.39 # hmm, well i wish i knew C 15.14.49 # and unfortunately, I think that's the only sane approach 15.14.55 # Bagder: I hope Google will pay him :) 15.15.01 # damn...... 15.15.06 # Bagder: Do we know how close austriancoder is? Or are you basically not happy with the whole approach? (Zagor's mentioned his thoughts in IRC recently). 15.15.28 # his approach is basically copy and paste from linux 15.15.41 # and it doesn't work and is much more complicated that what we need/want 15.16.03 # yeah....PC and sansa are completely diff platforms..... 15.16.04 # But couldn't that be useful if we wanted to port more drivers from Linux? 15.16.12 # not really 15.16.20 # Crash91: It isn't just Sansa 15.16.33 # the linux way is too flexible and structs with function pointers all over 15.16.34 # what else would you want to port? 15.17.02 # the better approach is to focus on what we want/need and get that done, first 15.17.04 # Tanuva: Depends on future platforms hardware capabilities 15.17.06 # btw guys, any wild hope of RB on the iPod Touch/iPhone? 15.17.13 # Crash91: no 15.17.20 # if that ever happened i would wet myself 15.17.29 # Crash91: Search the forums, it has been asked to death 15.17.39 Quit Temik ("Leaving") 15.17.42 # =P 15.18.03 # Bagder: I wouldn't argue - I've always found that Rockbox needs code written specifically for Rockbox in order to work well... 15.18.31 # yeah, I think we should get a working core first, then extend it when we need to 15.18.46 # rather than to build a complex infrastructure to start with 15.18.47 # arent the iPod video and sansa both based on the same kinda architecture of PP chips? why not learn from the ipod... 15.18.53 # It seems silly to overcomplicate for hypothetical future situations 15.19.00 # Crash91: tHE I 15.19.10 # The iPod doesn't have RB USB either 15.19.16 Join freqmod [0] (n=freqmod@m050g.studby.ntnu.no) 15.19.23 # i tought it did... 15.19.28 # It doesn't 15.19.31 # thought* 15.19.35 # damn 15.19.40 # It automatically reboots into Apple Disk Mode 15.19.55 # Crash91: All the PP targets share code with each other - as soon as one of them gets a USB mode, they will all have it. 15.20.25 # yep, exactly what i thought...thats why the c200 took only 2-3months to port 15.20.51 # Bagder: So is Zagor intending to work on it? 15.20.54 # yes 15.21.30 # It's good to see him back ;) 15.21.45 # yeah, finally we manage to lure him out from his cave 15.21.47 # It is time for the master toteach the young padawans how to do it :) 15.21.48 # managed 15.22.13 # * Crash91 thought that Sandisk wanted to help out..... 15.22.20 # Not really 15.22.22 # they didnt help much did they 15.22.24 # Crash91: they don't 15.22.26 # No 15.22.29 # except for the chips... 15.22.41 Nick markun_ is now known as markun (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 15.22.45 # Google was great! 15.22.59 # they funded? 15.23.04 # markun: nice! 15.23.18 # markun: Did you find your student? ;) 15.23.20 # we learned a lot about the things we could do better next time 15.23.22 Nick bb__ is now known as bb (n=bb@dslb-088-074-141-034.pools.arcor-ip.net) 15.23.29 # Crash91: 2 players isnot much 15.23.34 # Crash91: http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox-sandisk-connection.html 15.23.38 # linuxstb: yes, I'm staying at his house with scorche :) 15.23.57 # markun: So what did you learn? 15.25.32 # does/will rockbox support somethnig like MTP mode on the sansa 15.25.54 # Crash91, no, why would you want MTP? MSC is a better way of diong it 15.26.02 # Why would we? 15.26.02 # Crash91: It doesn't, and I doubt it ever will. 15.26.20 # MTP is just... silly 15.26.25 # Lets make an open source firmware and tie it to WMP 15.26.34 # or libmpt 15.26.37 # mtp 15.26.45 # well...does rockbox have to restart after transferring files like the OF? 15.26.52 # No 15.26.56 # ah 15.27.00 # Why would it/ 15.27.01 # ? 15.27.07 # Crash91: but you might mave to update the database 15.27.10 # database or something.... 15.27.30 # I don't use the database 15.27.33 # my biggest gripe with the sansa firmware is that it force updates it 15.27.46 # But even if you do auto update will do it in the background 15.28.29 # the only thing thats annoying about the db at the moment is that it cant sort tracks by id3-track or -cd number 15.28.45 # linuxstb: we'll talk about it when we get back I think 15.28.45 # It will do it by track number fine 15.28.59 # it's really early now and we plan to visit SF in an hour 15.29.17 # BigBambi: hu? in the wiki it says it can only sort by numbers preceding the file names 15.29.25 # CustomConfig 15.29.47 # Or maybe I am confusing filtering with sorting 15.29.54 # One mo, I'll try and check 15.30.23 # markun: Have fun ;) 15.30.49 # linuxstb: I even talked about you yesterday to the ffmpeg guys ;) 15.31.11 # the famous Dave Chapman :P 15.31.49 # * markun waves bye bye again 15.32.52 # Tanuva: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DataBase#Supported_Tags - you can use track number in formatting according to that 15.32.52 # How do you mount your Sansa with Rockbox on it in Linux (Ubuntu 7.04)? 15.33.13 # bobbo: Rockbox on portalplayer dpesn't yet have a USB mode 15.33.24 # You need to transfer using the OF until one is written 15.33.32 # (work is ongoing) 15.33.50 # * scorche gets his turn at the computer 15.33.53 Quit PaulJam_ (".") 15.33.54 # ah ok 15.34.06 # how do i load into the OF? 15.34.15 # BigBambi: hm... okay, that I gotta play around with :) 15.34.18 # scorche? We want Markun :) 15.34.18 # markun: SF == ? 15.34.27 # San Francisco I guess 15.34.37 # or sourceforge... :-) 15.34.41 # I liked SF, LA was a hole 15.34.41 # yeah 15.34.43 # bobbo: turn off the Sansa, then plug in the USB cable 15.34.44 # heh 15.34.51 # should automatically boot the OF 15.35.31 # if not, turn off again then hold down the back button ( |<< ) while turning it on 15.35.40 # BigBambi: boo 15.35.50 # scorche: OK, you'll do :) 15.35.54 # i think i have bricked my OF, it jsut boots into a black screen 15.36.00 # wait for it to boot 15.36.12 # it's not as fast as Rockbox booting 15.36.29 # dont worry it isnt bricked.. 15.36.38 # "bricked my OF" is a really strange term... 15.36.41 # it came up with some bootloader stuff then the bottom of the screen went black and moved up to the top of the screen 15.36.49 # recovery is just a download away... 15.36.58 # Badger: im new to this stuff :D 15.37.02 # ok did you put OF.bin in /SYSTEM ? 15.37.03 # :-) 15.37.16 # i used the sbutilqt thing 15.37.31 # I don't think you need to mess with the OF.bin with the new snasapatcher, right? 15.37.35 # bobbo: There is a problem with the current sansapatcher 15.37.38 # See http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12953.0 15.37.39 # andrewg867: correct 15.37.45 Join darksaboteur [0] (n=darksabo@75.73.87.203.static.nsw.chariot.net.au) 15.37.54 # bobbo: That is, a potential problem for some people 15.38.12 # Bagder: I haven't been here in a while, not much free time to mess with my e260 :) 15.38.19 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.38.33 # I can still remember when there was no sound support and I just used Rockbox to play games ;) 15.38.33 # the sansa install has become really easy and fancy since the OF.bin days 15.38.38 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 15.38.44 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 15.39.04 # that and when you had to manually update the Rockbox bootloader with the mi4 file 15.39.14 Join mertd [0] (n=mertdoga@natst.sabanciuniv.edu) 15.39.17 Quit feisar ("leaving") 15.39.29 # so i uninstall RBox then install it manually using the manual method with the older sansapatcher? 15.39.43 Join feisar [0] (i=jljhook@noppakerho.com) 15.39.59 # is pastebin.ca working for anyone else? 15.40.06 # it's loading a blank page for me 15.40.21 # andrewg867: Front page loads fine for me... 15.40.32 # bobbo: I'm not entirely sure I'm afraid, I don't have a Sansa 15.40.37 # working here 15.40.55 # oh thats weird, I was using a proxy in CZ and it wouldn't load 15.41.46 # bobbo:technically 15.41.57 # bobbo: install the standard firmware with recovery mode, then just run sansapatcher 0.2 and follow the instrucions on the screen 15.42.25 # recovery mode= hold switch on and hold REC while booting 15.45.54 Quit Crash91 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 15.46.01 Join Crash91 [0] (i=c4da506c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-29518adb37ce19d1) 15.47.32 Quit yhtan ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 15.47.42 Quit Toki () 15.51.37 # im in Recovery mode (at least i think i am, im back in the crap theme) how do i run Sansapatcher on it? 15.55.56 Quit random_desu_is_s ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.7/2007091417]") 15.56.40 # bobbo: you need to install the sandisk firmware before using snasapatcher 15.56.56 # *sansapatcher 15.58.09 Join Toki [0] (n=hsdbvlkb@gateimb.imb.lebedev.ru) 15.58.26 # so i overwrite everything currently on it with the old Sansapatcher stuff? 15.58.54 # no, no, no 15.59.19 # put this file in the 16mb partition that should come up: http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200/PP5022.mi4 16.00.05 Part pixelma 16.13.22 # krazykit: Where should this 16mb partiton come up? 16.14.33 Quit Toki (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.16.25 Quit ivan` ("Coyote finally caught me") 16.18.03 # bobbo: did you out the hold switch and hold REC while booting your sansa? 16.18.09 # pout* 16.18.20 # omg>>PUT* 16.19.09 # put out = set it to hold? 16.19.22 # yes set the hold switch 16.19.37 # ah got it 16.19.46 # look, you siwthc it off, then flick HOLD, then press ON while holding the REc button on the side 16.19.51 # kk good 16.19.59 # now a 16mb thing should come up 16.20.08 # PUT NOTHING BUT THE FILE IN THE LINK 16.20.11 # yeayh it has Version.txt in it 16.20.22 Join ivan` [0] (n=ivan`@adsl-71-142-224-59.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) 16.20.30 # DO NOT PUT ANY OTHER FILE EXCEPT PP5022.mi4 16.20.36 # or you risk bricking 16.20.46 # just copy paste that file 16.20.48 # ok it already has Version.txt in it 16.20.49 # then reboot 16.20.51 # problem? 16.20.58 # thats ok 16.21.09 # dont do anything to it 16.21.09 # cool 16.21.21 # just put that file on 16.21.36 # fiel in, do i umount it then pull the plug and reboot? 16.21.42 # yes 16.22.30 # did it install new FW? 16.22.49 # now when i boot i get a black screen saying key LOCKEDSystem Shutdown 16.22.55 Join webguest61 [0] (i=503acd29@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-00240f8da6a09aba) 16.23.26 # can any one help me? can i upgrade 2gb ipod nano memory to 4gb or more? 16.23.27 # forgot to undo hold :D:D:D:D 16.23.31 # oo yeah take off hold 16.23.33 # lol 16.24.02 # woo thank god im in the original firmware 16.24.02 # mertd: I dont think so, but Im not sure 16.24.07 # mertd...goto apple unless you wanna risk soldering your ipod to a screwdriver 16.24.22 # now sansapatcher .2 16.24.32 # i have it...ill upload for u 16.24.43 # i got it off the old downloads tree 16.24.49 # kk 16.24.50 Part webguest61 16.24.58 # lol i have the windows version anyway lol 16.25.01 # so i jsut run it against the mount point of the sansa 16.25.09 # *just, can spell today 16.25.18 # yes 16.25.19 # No, you just run it - it will detect the device 16.25.21 # lol me neither 16.25.34 # Crash91: i learned that nano has a flash memory therefore i thought that i could wipe out the old memory and replace it with anouther one? isnt it possible.. 16.26.05 # mertd: you will have to desolder the chip then replace it...its not a cakewalk 16.26.25 # and idk where youre gonna get a 4Gb chip... 16.26.32 # ohhh.. i understand... how about 4gb ipod. is it the same with 2gb.. 16.26.49 # look...just buy another ipod... 16.26.49 # Crash91: yeess 16.27.01 # its useless/stupid to upgrade the exsisting 16.27.32 # mertd: Or buy something with upgradable storage, like the Sansas... 16.27.49 # xD amen to that 16.27.55 # linuxstb: is it easy to upgrade 16.28.03 # It takes microSD cards 16.28.30 # :)... oohh nice.. 16.28.41 Quit davina (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.28.55 # in addition to upgeade.. i wanna install rockbox.. 16.29.05 # can i install rockbox on sansas 16.29.20 Quit bobbo ("Lost terminal") 16.29.46 # mertd: We wouldn't be talking about them here if you couldn't. 16.30.26 # ok.. i just didnt know 16.30.36 Join atsea-34 [0] (i=atsea-@gateway/tor/x-8625423d95629e51) 16.30.37 # ok.. which model of sansa do you prefer..? 16.31.39 # I don't own any of them, but the e200 series are the best supported in Rockbox - the c200 series is a newer port. 16.31.49 Join bobbo [0] (n=bobbo@82-41-58-125.cable.ubr08.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 16.31.56 # (and those are the only Sansas supported by Rockbox0 16.33.15 Join Toki [0] (n=hsdbvlkb@gateimb.imb.lebedev.ru) 16.33.20 # i just found e260.. does it cause any problem. because i found that rockbox only supper e200. 16.35.52 # Crash91: im back in my original firmware, run sansapatcher and installed its bootloader, do i do a manual install now? 16.37.22 # mertd: e200 means the whole e2x0 series 16.37.23 # mertd: Rockbox supports the "e200 series" - anything with an e2x0 model name. 16.39.50 # Crash91 = god, i fixd it, thankyou soooooo much 16.39.57 # fixed* 16.41.02 Quit freqmod (Remote closed the connection) 16.41.22 # thank you for helping.. i'm going to try e260... bye.. 16.41.33 # * Crash91 is back 16.41.48 # Nice to hear bobbo 16.42.11 # enjoy rockbox, 16.42.54 Join Wiwie [0] (n=goddi@86-41-127-110.b-ras2.lmk.limerick.eircom.net) 16.46.58 Join Jyard [0] (n=Jyard@24-183-136-78.dhcp.fdul.wi.charter.com) 16.47.12 Nick advcomp2019_ is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@66.172.231.192) 16.47.23 # I was unable to find any clear information on wether rockbox worked on 2nd gen nano? can anyone quickly conferm? 16.47.53 # does not work 16.48.24 # wouldn't happen to know if there is anything altern firmware that does? :D 16.49.16 # no as the encrytion has not been cracked 16.50.01 # ah i see, it will be eventually tho? 16.50.17 # not unless someone does it 16.50.42 # i see thank you 16.51.05 Quit darksaboteur ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.7/2007091417]") 16.53.03 Quit Jyard () 16.57.31 Quit Crash91 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.03.21 Quit homielowe (Remote closed the connection) 17.06.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.17.41 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@i-83-67-214-206.freedom2surf.net) 17.22.57 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@66.172.231.192) 17.23.03 Quit advcomp2019 (Nick collision from services.) 17.23.09 Nick advcomp2019_ is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@66.172.231.192) 17.26.11 Quit JdGordon (Remote closed the connection) 17.26.38 Join jac0b [0] (n=jac0b@user-11205ba.dsl.mindspring.com) 17.27.26 # can I post a gigabeat ipod theme or is that a copyright issue? 17.28.57 Join pixelma [0] (n=Marianne@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 17.30.20 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 17.30.41 # Is there a way to rename "Database" to "Music" in a Sansa e280? 17.31.44 Join billytwowilly [0] (n=chris@68.149.183.95) 17.32.29 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@194.219.37.99) 17.33.57 Join webguest65 [0] (i=46403811@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c071d24d5917e68b) 17.34.08 # Hello there? 17.34.12 # Hello 17.34.42 Quit webguest65 (Client Quit) 17.34.45 Join webguest65 [0] (i=46403811@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-530f90d8377a41a9) 17.34.57 Part lostnihilist ("Leaving") 17.35.14 # I own a sansa c250 and have a few questions, does anyone have a minute? 17.36.10 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@ppp-71-142-15-186.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net) 17.36.20 # i might be able to help, just brand new to rockbox though.... 17.36.23 # just ask 17.36.30 # webguest65, you can just say your questions :) 17.36.49 # In the manual, in the install section, it is somewhat ambigious. It states that the rockbox boot loader replaces the sansa one. Does this mean that when I delete it, I will nolonger be able to boot? 17.37.11 # boot into the original firmware? 17.37.30 # Yes, sort of as it was when I bought it. 17.37.55 # yes, when you turn it on your press the left button and it will boot the original 17.38.23 # Um, I mean, when I delete the rockbox bootloader, does it leave the sansa bootloader intact? 17.40.33 # It stated it "directly replaces the original bootloader" in the manual. 17.40.45 # you can't just delete the bootloader - but you can exchange it back so to speak 17.41.00 # Could you please explain? 17.42.09 # i think i did it earlier when i used the wrong bootloader, you reboot in recovery mode and put the original bootloader back in, simple as that (i think) 17.42.28 # How would one accomplish that? 17.42.55 # boot into Recovery Mode? Which player do you have? 17.43.27 # Sansa c250, and I really mean, how would I restore the original bootloader? 17.43.48 # you either back it up or download it from somewhere else 17.44.26 Quit bobbo ("Lost terminal") 17.44.26 # Soory ofr my ignorance, but how would I back it up? 17.44.46 # hmm... you need the bootloader which in turn will load the firmware. If you want to use Rockbox you need a new one (the Rockbox bootloader) which let's you either use the original firmware or Rockbox. If you want to go back to the original state you can uninstall the Rockbox bootloader (with the same tool) and you'll get the Sansa bootloader again 17.45.18 # Thankyou for clearing that up. I appreciate it. 17.46.01 Quit webguest65 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.46.32 Part mertd 17.47.13 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@m207.net81-66-74.noos.fr) 17.49.09 Quit stripwax (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.57.33 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-101-222.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.06.14 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 18.08.27 Quit Toki (Nick collision from services.) 18.08.41 Join Toki_ [0] (n=hsdbvlkb@gateimb.imb.lebedev.ru) 18.09.13 Join webguest99 [0] (i=46403811@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-164ae8261e324dfc) 18.09.21 Quit webguest99 (Client Quit) 18.12.22 Quit ender` (" Intelligence is the ability to avoid doing work, yet getting the work done. -- Linus Torvalds") 18.16.15 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.dsl.t-2.net) 18.20.23 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 18.23.04 Join ackbahr [0] (n=ackbahr@d83-189-137-202.cust.tele2.ch) 18.23.11 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@24-119-114-203.cpe.cableone.net) 18.23.12 Quit Wiwie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.24.16 Quit ackbahr (Client Quit) 18.24.27 Join ackbahr [0] (n=ackbahr@d83-189-137-202.cust.tele2.ch) 18.27.27 Quit ackbahr (Client Quit) 18.29.09 # n1s: do I remember correctly that we agreed on "'Long' ButtonX" rather than "'Hold' ButtonX" in the manuals (especially button tables)? 18.29.28 # yup 18.31.13 # thanks, that needs some more cleaning up then. Will try to look into it. 18.31.32 # yeah, it's pretty inconsistent 18.31.45 # lots need to be done for the manual... 18.32.53 # yeah, I got some "these things needs overhauling" too... 18.35.13 # * amiconn is currently working on code consistency too... 18.41.03 Quit Alonea (Remote closed the connection) 18.41.06 # that's another mess :-) 18.41.12 # in some places 18.46.55 Join Arathis_ [0] (n=doerk@p508A3CA6.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.47.53 Join Wiwie [0] (n=goddi@vpnsh0101.fh-trier.de) 18.53.54 Quit Arathis (Nick collision from services.) 18.54.01 Nick Arathis_ is now known as Arathis (n=doerk@p508A3CA6.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.54.52 Quit kubiix (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.56.31 Join Temik [0] (n=temik@77.51.20.250) 18.59.14 Quit mf0102 ("Verlassend") 19.06.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.11.02 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@pD955C480.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.17.41 Join ilgufo [0] (n=matteo@87.4.179.227) 19.20.44 Join alienbiker99 [0] (n=alienbik@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net) 19.22.58 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.182.13) 19.29.52 Quit Wiwie (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19.31.06 Join Xerion [0] (i=xerion@cp198589-d.landg1.lb.home.nl) 19.31.39 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 19.31.55 Join NeMetS_666 [0] (i=52c16e10@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9cfd395ae33e771a) 19.32.02 # Hi 2 All 19.32.06 # I back) 19.32.39 # i have one question 19.33.40 # Can I enible bootrun(OS) from X-5? 19.34.34 # I am in Ohio, and very willing to ship to any interested developer, at my expense, a Nano which is exhibiting the problems with recent builds. 19.35.17 # when I connect Player with PC on boot, X-5 write - not connect. But some time I run OS from X-5... 19.37.55 Quit bluey- (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19.38.37 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-230-188.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 19.38.39 Quit Temik ("Leaving") 19.38.51 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@79.17.214.128) 19.44.35 Quit mirak (Remote closed the connection) 19.50.35 Join janitux [0] (n=janitux@148-211-28.dial.terra.cl) 19.51.20 Join bluebrother [0] (i=KkNvhIn1@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 19.59.37 Quit jhMikeS ("Meow!") 20.01.26 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 20.01.33 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 20.01.42 Join pixelma_ [0] (n=Marianne@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 20.02.05 Part pixelma_ 20.07.19 Quit qwm (Remote closed the connection) 20.07.32 Join qwm [0] (n=qwm@h38n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 20.08.01 Quit jac0b () 20.12.14 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 20.17.52 # hi, today a very strange thing happened 20.18.02 # using rockbox on an ipod nano 20.18.25 # and? 20.18.42 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.18.43 # almost everything was making rockbox crash: playing, plugins and so 20.18.43 Join Klevi [0] (n=Levi@69.37.154.100) 20.18.45 # if you get garbles and data aborts, thats no strange thing, 20.18.55 # Ave, i got garbage files 20.18.57 # strange would be if the problems suddendly disappeared 20.18.59 # with strange names 20.19.06 # ooh broken filesystem? 20.19.16 Quit pixelma (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.19.17 # like nvr@m.bin 20.19.27 # lmao... I was just looking for pixelma.. 20.19.29 # I recall seeing that in flyspray 20.19.32 # d`t`basa_tmp.tcd 20.20.03 # Ave, by the way, the strange thing was that after 4 or 5 reboots 20.20.09 # the problems were gone 20.20.14 # and everything was ok again 20.20.18 # wow 20.20.25 # weird indeed 20.20.48 # then i played a tv serie episode on mpegplayer without problems 20.20.58 # Any idea why the radio function would make the sansac200 crash? 20.21.56 Join Lars_G [0] (n=Lars@unaffiliated/lars-g/x-000001) 20.22.08 # Say, the linux users here, what do you code for rockbox in? 20.22.17 # I've found problems so far both with ffmpeg and vlc 20.23.33 Join Robin0800 [0] (n=Robin080@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust132.brig.cable.ntl.com) 20.24.38 # bluebrother: there are indeed problems with rbutil and jaws as screenreader... the tabs arent spoken for example.. and i didnt found a solution, setting accessibleName and descitption didnt help.. 20.24.48 Join psycho_maniac [0] (n=psycho_m@ppp-64-91-85-216.cam.centurytel.net) 20.27.49 Quit ilgufo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.28.09 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@66.172.231.192) 20.28.19 Quit advcomp2019 (Nick collision from services.) 20.28.21 Nick advcomp2019_ is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@66.172.231.192) 20.29.58 Join ilgufo [0] (n=matteo@87.4.179.227) 20.31.58 Join muesli [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.230.92) 20.32.33 Nick muesli is now known as muesli- (n=muesli_t@91.64.230.92) 20.32.59 Quit amiconn (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Would you like to know more?") 20.34.17 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 20.35.52 Join bobbo [0] (n=bobbo@82-41-58-125.cable.ubr08.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 20.36.38 # davina r u there? 20.39.11 Join termin8or123 [0] (n=fb51dann@adsl-75-50-57-162.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) 20.39.41 Part Lars_G 20.39.42 # hey 20.39.59 Part billytwowilly ("Konversation terminated!") 20.43.21 # for some reason i cannot download the rockbox source or it takes forever to download the files. even though it shouldnt 20.46.51 Quit termin8or123 () 20.47.47 Quit janitux (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.48.14 Join PaulJam [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3051.gwdg.de) 20.54.15 Quit NeMetS_666 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 20.55.21 Join DefineByte [0] (n=DefineBy@bb-87-81-195-5.ukonline.co.uk) 20.57.19 Quit Klevi (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.57.29 # 'Apple bootloader' or 'Ipod bootloader' (or somwthing else) in the manual? Anyone have an opinion? 20.58.17 # Rockbox also provides an 'iPod bootloader' so I'm not sure about referring to the original as such. 20.59.38 # how about "original bootloader" ? 20.59.51 # which page? 21.00.08 # installation 21.00.09 # * linuxstb has already voted for Apple 21.00.16 # :) 21.01.00 # 'original bootloader' is certainly one to consider. 21.01.12 # I'm not sure though 21.01.20 # "apple" bootloader is also explicative 21.01.29 # It would make it easier in the manual - same phrase for every target... 21.01.29 # is not rockbox's one 21.01.33 # is apple's one 21.02.11 # Does every target use the original bootloader in some way? 21.02.48 # No, not every target. 21.02.58 # maybe basic bootloader? 21.03.07 # don't think so 21.03.27 # basic doesn't tell you anything 21.03.53 # Is there a plugin for Rockbox that can play XviD/DivX Avi's? 21.04.07 # heh, no 21.04.13 # bobbo: No, convert it to MPEG 21.04.17 # As per the wiki page 21.04.24 # thanks 21.04.43 # thought it could fit in because its the first bootloader to load the rockbox/apple one.. 21.04.50 # * BigBambi votes Apple 21.06.30 # I really don't know. Bluebrother is one of the manual guys right? 21.06.35 # yep 21.06.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.07.05 # Maybe he has an opinion on it (hell, maybe he decided on 'Ipod bootloader') 21.08.10 # I think the problem is that the "playerman" macro is defined to be "ipod" and not "Apple". 21.08.24 # yes, i thought that was strange 21.08.26 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=steve-o@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 21.08.54 # You would need to check where else that macro is used to see if it makes sense to just change it to "Apple". 21.09.14 Quit alienbiker99 ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 21.09.24 # you probably need playerman (manufacturer) and playerfam (family) macros 21.11.45 # i don't think Archos targets have families though. They all have different names don't they? Hmm, I don't know 21.12.12 # hmm maybe they do 21.12.15 # xD 21.13.10 # my brain is frazzled apparently 21.13.16 # or the playerfam is simply null if playerman is archos? but I dont know how that works exactly :) 21.13.28 # we liking 'Apple' then? 21.13.46 # me, at least 21.14.54 # it would be playerman = archos playerfam = ondio playermod (model) = SP, or something 21.15.01 Join Robin_0800 [0] (n=Robin080@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust132.brig.cable.ntl.com) 21.15.42 # I'm not sure if that would actually help with anything much though x) 21.16.01 Quit atsea-34 (Remote closed the connection) 21.16.25 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 21.18.03 # * ender` yawns 21.19.24 # The Rockbox bootloader is loaded from disk by the \playerman{} bootloader. It is responsible for loading the Rockbox firmware and for providing the dual boot function. It takes the place of the \playerman{} firmware in the \daps{} boot sequence. 21.19.27 # oops 21.19.35 # didn't mean to post that x) 21.19.56 # does it make sense though (might as well take advantage) 21.20.32 Join atsea-34 [0] (i=atsea-@gateway/tor/x-2b70bcb1ac699946) 21.20.33 # DefineByte: Sounds clear to me. 21.21.04 # What about 'boot sequence'? Does that mean anything to most people? 21.21.28 Quit PaulJam (".") 21.22.12 Quit Robin0800 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.23.04 # I think people know the word "boot" - it's a technical term, but most people know what "reboot" means... 21.23.25 # yeah, probably right 21.23.33 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p5496415D.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.23.43 # it just seems a lot of the installation section is jargon. 21.25.00 # I'm not sure if that's the best idea. Do users really need to know about the 'Apple bootloader, 'Rockbox bootloader' etc. etc. especially with rbutil available 21.25.13 Quit BHSPitLappy (Connection timed out) 21.25.23 # maybe they do. I don't know 21.25.46 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=steve-o@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 21.25.58 # Even if they do, does it need to be in the 'installatiion' section? 21.27.56 # It's background information - people can read if it they want, but shouldn't need to. 21.28.38 # But yes, as the installation is getting more and more automatic, maybe it could be argued that it can be removed. 21.28.42 # It seems to me it could be moved to 'advanced topics' or something 21.29.23 # maybe it shouldn't be moved yet. Maybe wait till rbutil is _the_ installation method 21.29.46 # any news from the GSoC mentor summit ? 21.30.12 # Nico_P: markun popped in briefly earlier today - search for his name in the logs 21.30.20 # ok 21.33.28 # hmm yeah it was brief :) 21.36.51 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet26.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 21.40.24 Quit Robin_0800 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.42.09 # anybody have problems downloading the whole srouce from svn lately? 21.42.24 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 21.43.19 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.43.25 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B159D6.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.43.34 # oh, that fact even mentioned in man rsync, shame on me 21.43.49 # oops 21.43.54 # wrong channel 21.46.38 # wow. someone else asking on the forums about things to change to improve battery life. How many of those a day get posted? x) 21.46.54 # is there a way to patch the source from a different location? patch -px < C:\name.patch ? 21.48.42 # what i mean is. would that work? 21.49.00 # why don't you just try ? 21.49.10 # because my source is still downloading 21.51.32 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul) 21.52.07 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.7/2007091417]") 21.54.56 # psycho_maniac, can't speak directly to the cgywin mechanics of it, but I keep all my patches in a \patches subdirectoy of my home directory and "patch -p0 < ../patches/patchname.diff" all the time. 21.56.01 # that works fine in cygwin 21.56.01 Quit kubrick (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.58.57 # I'm getting '>' showing up as a questionmark. It doesn't have to be escaped does it? 22.00.39 # I also rename all my patches by prefixing them with the FS#, so tab completion is easier (for me). ie: iPOD_wheel_acceleration_v13.patch becomes 7738-iPOD_wheel_acceleration_v13.patch. 22.01.42 # and my patches I do a "aaaa-patchname.diff", "bbbb-patchname.diff" etc. Saves my tired brain from having to remember which version is current. 22.01.55 Join DrMoos [0] (i=moos@m82.net81-66-159.noos.fr) 22.02.02 Quit DrMoos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.02.10 # thank you soap. 22.03.25 # lately iv only been using one patch so i dont need a patch directory yet. 22.03.57 # i have* 22.07.16 Nick Tanuva is now known as Tanuva|Zzz (n=tanuva@83.220.128.10) 22.08.54 Quit zicho (Remote closed the connection) 22.09.07 # Seems I can't write 'File > Configure' (Direction on how to get to the configuration dialog in rbutil) with latex. Any idea of what else I could do? 22.10.42 # DefineByte: surely something similar is written elsewhere in the manual? 22.11.34 # oops, yes. I'm obviously slow 22.12.31 # {\textgreater}. 8) 22.12.56 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 22.17.00 # Is 7738 getting committed any time soon? :) 22.21.15 # What was the appearance of your face before your ancestors were born? 22.22.39 # It bore a strong resemblence to a tongue-face emoticon... Yours? 22.22.40 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-072-071-095.pools.arcor-ip.net) 22.23.50 Quit bluey- (Client Quit) 22.26.00 Join petur2 [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 22.26.12 Quit petur (Nick collision from services.) 22.26.17 Nick petur2 is now known as petur (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 22.26.20 Quit mf0102 ("Verlassend") 22.27.44 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 22.35.50 Quit psycho_maniac ("Good Bye") 22.35.51 Join random_desu_is_s [0] (n=chatzill@inet-out.dsl-nat.sura.ru) 22.36.28 Join Lars_G [0] (n=Lars@unaffiliated/lars-g/x-000001) 22.36.32 # You gusy rock. never cease 22.36.35 Part Lars_G 22.37.52 # DefineByte: \rightarrow is used in afew places 22.38.46 # hmm, okay. Might be the one to go for then. Thanks. :) 22.40.43 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.44.38 # jhMikeS: "#elif 0" ?? 22.45.27 Quit bobbo ("Lost terminal") 22.45.58 Quit ilgufo ("So Long, and Thanks For All the Fish - http://gufo.wordpress.com") 22.48.54 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 22.49.01 Join Temik [0] (n=temik@77.51.21.32) 22.49.09 # amiconn: have you tried the old infrared thermometer trick with the ipods? 22.49.34 # Nope, because it won't help 22.49.44 # Figure it'll just be the main chip? 22.50.06 # \rightarrow seems to have some quite strange side effects 22.50.07 # amiconn: just keeping that one there for messing around until all get converted 22.50.12 # The PP is an SoC, in the H300 the battery drainer was a separate chip 22.50.13 # (I don't really remember how the ipod guts look) 22.50.51 # jhMikeS: Ah ok. A comment would have been helpful imho 22.51.12 # DefineByte: seems you should use $\rightarrow$ 22.51.19 Quit Fraser (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.51.37 # that would explain it x) 22.51.41 # thanks 22.51.56 # DefineByte: ah, right, didn't remember that 22.52.12 # amiconn: yeah, that's what I meant.. I guess I just figured on the off-chance that the problem was outside the pp chip 22.52.18 # no harm no foul :) 22.52.22 # amiconn: It's probably just going to be a setup like e200, one like H10, and one for PP5002. e200 may in fact just be able to use the same FIFO format as H10 since it didn't show any change for values 4-7. 22.52.41 # jhMikeS: Different Q - in the assembler yuv routine, you used up to r12. Iirc I could use r13 too? 22.53.00 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 22.54.08 # which is that one now? r13=sp, r14=lr, r15=pc 22.54.12 # jhMikeS: If you have something for the 5002, I'll happily test on 1st/2nd gen... 22.54.24 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.54.30 # Ooops, forgot sp... 22.54.54 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.55.01 # amiconn: No way. I'l need the device to find that stuff out. No ideas at all atm for that. 22.55.05 # Meh, for the color bridge and ipod video, the function will look different anyway 22.55.30 # Trying to keep it unified as much as possible? 22.55.51 # (not possible to output double-lines like for memory-mapped and c200) 22.56.09 Part DefineByte 22.56.31 # Might be worth saving chromas to a line buffer then? 22.57.14 # Hmm, perhaps it will be possible to do it for the color bridge - it just feeds an ordinary lcd controller after all. If that allows to set the update direction and frame, it will be possible 22.57.25 Join soapsuckedmydick [0] (n=erer@68.118.181.77) 22.57.38 # * amiconn should port the double-line method to X5 and H300 22.58.19 # And we need the darn asm idct plus iram opts... 22.58.57 Part soapsuckedmydick 22.58.59 # The question is what needs more cpu - saving the chroma or recalculating it 22.59.10 # how do you do double-line on x5 and h300? 22.59.19 # Same way as on c200 22.59.41 # Set the update direction in the controller to vertical, and the update window height to 2 pixels 22.59.42 # on ARM, recalculating is definetely more expensive than loading cached data 23.00.50 # ah, yes. but then you have to change the window every two lines. isn't that sort of costly? 23.01.00 # nah 23.01.12 # Just 2 lcd commands 23.01.32 # That's still less than all the data writes 23.02.03 # In fact it might be just one command, depending on how the controller works 23.02.31 # hmmm...probably pretty cheap then 23.02.45 # Check out my last commit (yuv for c200) - it already implements the idea 23.03.14 # The calculation code is heavily borrowed from your e200/gigabeat implementation, just some registers changed 23.03.24 # ...and the actual write is different 23.03.40 # amiconn: What FPS are you getting on the c200 in mpegplayer? 23.03.54 # No skips with elephants dream 23.04.07 # So the full 24fps? 23.04.09 # the double line method has good cache coherency and is really good for dither 23.04.13 # (using the widescreen version originally made for ipod mini) 23.05.02 # 144x80, height is perfect match and width is the smallest that covers the lcd width 23.06.41 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.08.31 Quit qwm (Remote closed the connection) 23.08.44 Join qwm [0] (n=qwm@h38n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 23.10.19 Nick parafin is now known as parafin|away (i=parafin@paraf.in) 23.11.04 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 23.12.49 Quit slynk (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.14.08 Quit Temik (Connection reset by peer) 23.17.47 Join Nishad [0] (n=chatzill@ool-4354ff91.dyn.optonline.net) 23.18.08 Nick Nishad is now known as ClausterphobicGu (n=chatzill@ool-4354ff91.dyn.optonline.net) 23.18.15 Join Temik [0] (n=temik@77.51.21.32) 23.18.33 Quit Temik (Client Quit) 23.18.40 Join Temik [0] (n=temik@77.51.21.32) 23.18.52 # How do I put FLAC files on my iPod with Rockbox? 23.19.10 # drag and drop 23.19.21 # Where? To iTunes? 23.19.35 # to the ipod 23.19.51 # Okay... So is there an app for it? 23.19.51 # To anywhere on the disk - most people create a top-level folder called "Music" and put their music in a sensible folder structure in there. 23.20.06 # Okay 23.20.07 # Windows Explorer... 23.20.30 # Cause iTunes makes really weird names for the music in these folders labelled 01 and stuff with names like HSUE 23.20.36 # Thanks 23.20.54 # And for games I created a directory called Gameboy and I put the stuff in there 23.21.02 # I can access and play it right? 23.21.18 # Oh, and are there other games I can put on it... 23.21.21 # Yes, via the "Files" menu. 23.21.26 # Sorry, I'm brand new to Rockbox 23.21.35 # We have a fine manual... 23.22.35 # Domonoky: well, I thought about adding a menu which resembles the tabs items anyway. 23.22.43 Join SuperThing_ [0] (n=chatzill@ool-4354ff91.dyn.optonline.net) 23.23.06 # I had to change my name, but is there a way to make the Apple Firmware default? 23.23.10 # Over rockbox? 23.23.26 # SuperThing_: no, and it's not intended to do this 23.23.34 # bluebrother: sounds good.. at least if we cant manage to get the accessibility working correctly.. 23.23.40 # if you boot AppleOS you need to reset the player to get back to Rockbox anyway. 23.24.12 # Okay... I just wanted to access the videos faster, but either way I'll find my way around 23.24.18 # Thanks big time 23.24.31 Join PaulJam [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3051.gwdg.de) 23.24.34 # just flip the hold switch after powering on ... 23.25.03 Quit merbanan ("Leaving") 23.25.08 # Yeah, I googled around and found out how to do that... I love rockbox, but I hate the no video playing functionality 23.25.25 # Thanks bluebrother 23.25.30 # Domonoky: I think this would also make it easier to assign accelerator keys -- like the F buttons 23.25.38 Part SuperThing_ 23.26.11 Join anonobomber [0] (n=anonobom@c-67-168-111-191.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 23.28.25 Quit n1s () 23.28.40 Join webguest03 [0] (i=46403811@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6d188f9b30d5d2e0) 23.28.51 # bluebrother: if you have it in the dropdown menüs its easy accessible via key sequences.. 23.29.09 # yep :) 23.29.22 # Any ports to the sansa m200 series? I found it on the webpage, just wondering about the current status of that port. 23.29.45 # webguest03: no. 23.30.11 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 23.30.11 # Will there ever be? Is that project dead? 23.30.19 # what project? 23.30.28 # The m200 port 23.30.39 # it was never alive 23.31.06 # has there been a port to the m200 at all? I never noticed. 23.31.14 # no, it hasn't 23.31.20 # Then what was the info doing on the webpage when I looked it up? 23.31.25 # there is some basic info gathered about it, that's all 23.31.31 # Ah, I see. 23.31.58 Quit Domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.32.05 # we do that on all sorts of players. That doesn't mean a port effort takes off for real 23.32.47 # I had an idea, but it is not working. I wanted to run linux on my c250, using the GameBoy port and running it in the rockbox emulator. The image does not show up in the file browser. It is a .bin image. Am I doing anything wrong? 23.33.09 # linux on your c250? 23.33.15 # yeah. 23.33.42 # you mean you use it as a disk to hold your linux installation for a PC? 23.34.18 # Nope, there is a GBA ROM image on the net. I thought that it could be run inside the rockbox gameboy emulator on the c250. 23.34.33 # there is no linux for the c250 23.34.40 # Rockboy doesn't run gba roms 23.34.46 # there is a rockbox gameboy emulator though 23.35.11 # got to go. 23.35.37 Quit webguest03 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23.37.50 # linuxstb: Around 30fps with skip frames and limit fps disabled 23.38.31 # That's nice. 23.38.44 # And your commit said there is still more optimisation potential? 23.39.06 # There's not much more to gain. A bit would be gained by moving the output of the second byte a bit back, around halfway towards the next pair 23.39.57 # This way the time waiting for the bridge to be ready would be used too. Atm that's only done for the first byte of each pixel 23.40.14 Join Klevi [0] (n=Owner@ool-435682a7.dyn.optonline.net) 23.40.58 # If that can be done within registers, the good thing would be that dithering wiuld come for free 23.41.03 # *would 23.43.12 # Weird Happening: Rockbox randomly decided to not pickup any files on my Sansa C200 and even after re-doing the database, and or rebooting, it wouldnt pickup the presence of any files until I re-cut and paste Rockbox 23.43.44 # re-cut and paste Rockbox? 23.44.03 # Yeah, I have the old version's zip file on my laptop 23.44.12 # Before radio, was implemented 23.44.31 # well, that's not "re-cut and paste", that's downgrading ... 23.44.49 # I cant use the new versions.. I havent been 23.45.01 # In my eyes, there no difference. lol 23.45.07 Quit ClausterphobicGu (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.45.47 # so you have enabled dircache and auto-update of the database? 23.45.56 # it sound like the same issue that i have with m4a's not letting the database rebuild right 23.46.02 # linuxstb: It may be that moving the output of the 2nd byte doesn't help - if the bridge is so slow that the complete calculation is already covered by the 1st wait 23.47.12 # bluebrother: dircache isn't enabled on the sansas 23.47.13 # ...and that might very well be the case 23.47.24 # oh ... 23.47.31 Join ddalton [0] (n=daniel@203-214-50-20.dyn.iinet.net.au) 23.47.44 Quit ddalton (Client Quit) 23.48.19 # barrywardell: here? 23.50.21 Join alienbiker99 [0] (n=alienbik@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net) 23.50.23 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@athedsl-121246.home.otenet.gr) 23.53.02 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p5496731E.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.53.36 # Gah, can't quite figure out the button queue.. I simply want a "wait for the user to press a button" function, but that seems harder than it should 23.53.55 # Especially if I call it twice, there seems to be left-overs in the queue 23.54.53 # still nobody posted the USB ID for the x5v :( 23.55.18 Quit Temik ("Leaving") 23.55.24 # Zagor: yes 23.56.17 # barrywardell: did you every wrap your head around the QH and TDs in the ARC usb module? the docs says only bits 12-31 of the pointer buffers are valid?! 23.56.43 # yet the freescale-authored linux driver seems to ignore that 23.56.58 # what page of the docs? 23.57.24 # 1392 of the pdf, 32-196 on the page 23.58.47 # if true, that would mean zero-copy is impossible. which seems like a stupid design.