--- Log for 10.10.107 Server: calvino.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 8 days and 19 hours ago 00.08.19 # woopwoop 00.09.03 Nick _pill is now known as pill (i=pill@sloth.shellfx.net) 00.09.19 # Linux 2.6.23 out now :) 00.10.37 Join annulus [0] (n=ap@h214n2fls31o286.telia.com) 00.13.11 Join x3ro [0] (i=5b2616c6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8f86938953978b44) 00.13.16 Quit alienbiker99 ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 00.13.31 # Hi... I've got a big problem with mpegplayer would someone be so kind to help me? =) 00.14.47 # I just installed rockbox and I cant get videos to work... the ipod always hangs up itself when loading 00.15.19 # x3ro: What process did you use to convert them? 00.17.09 Quit davina ("xchat on Ubuntu 7.04") 00.17.57 # I tried it using WinFF 00.18.14 # and the presents.xml from the manual 00.19.00 Join Reno [0] (i=4c10ea95@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3d890b9dacab0600) 00.19.24 # And the mpeg file you got from it plays on your computer? What SVN revision is your Rockbox build? 00.21.10 # Yes it does on vlc player... I downloaded that one -> http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-ipodvideo/rockbox.zip an hour ago^^ 00.21.14 Nick midkay_ is now known as midkay (n=midkay@216-160-120-208.tukw.qwest.net) 00.22.03 Part Llorean 00.22.22 Join k0shyx [0] (i=4aa6305c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-054f42688378b3dd) 00.22.35 # hi i have a question 00.22.46 # v 00.23.07 # * n1s looks for chrystal ball 00.23.08 Quit KF ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.23.37 # hello? 00.23.56 # nope didn't find it, you better just ask your question then... 00.24.18 # k does rockbox support audiobooks? 00.24.34 # especially for ipod 5.5 gen 00.24.48 # if they are encoded in one of the many formats rockbox supports then yes 00.24.58 # or what do you mean by "support" 00.25.08 # like in the apple firmware 00.25.14 # there is a section titled audiobooks 00.25.20 # and they're all organized and stuff 00.25.26 # like that, can rockbox do that? 00.25.35 # I have never used the apple firmware but you could put them in their own folder 00.25.52 # oh the music is sorted in folders? 00.25.57 # or probably create some custom view for the database but I never messed with that stuff 00.26.21 # k0shyx: you can browse by metadata too, that's what we call the database 00.26.35 # oh really? i didnt knwo that 00.26.43 # see i'm new to rockbox and i'm thinking of installing it 00.27.08 # k0shyx: if you don't like it you can just uninstall it again 00.27.31 Quit jmspeex (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.27.46 # k cool, but i think i'll like it based on what i've read on the rockbox site and on the forums 00.28.01 # thanks for your help n1s 00.28.10 Join jmspeex [0] (n=jmspeex@142.163.233.220.exetel.com.au) 00.28.10 # i recomend reading a bit in the manual too 00.28.47 # k will do, thanks 00.29.19 # ack...cant put the themes site out tonight...couple days ;) 00.29.21 Quit Reno ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.29.28 Part k0shyx 00.30.59 Join Reno [0] (i=4c10ea95@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-22c079c4e721cd24) 00.32.15 # Hi i was here about 2 days ago i was talking with someone called TMM i think. I told the person i would help him get the new ipod classic data sheets, i just want to know if hes here? 00.32.18 # :) 00.33.11 Join elinenbe_ [0] (i=elinenbe@cpe-68-174-107-47.nyc.res.rr.com) 00.33.20 # if you have informative data, we are many interested 00.33.51 Join iamben [0] (n=ben@dpc67142179038.direcpc.com) 00.34.18 # TMM: ping 00.34.25 # oh well i just wanted to let him know that i already told my friend about it (He works for apple) and he will try to get them for you guys! 00.34.27 # Reno: good luck on that, btw 00.34.32 # Reno: here! 00.34.39 # hi! 00.34.41 # :) 00.34.47 # Reno: well, good luck with that :) 00.34.58 # if you actually manage to get your hands on those, i'll send you a fruit basket 00.35.00 # very very good luck with that :) 00.35.12 # he said he'll call me back on saturday. 00.35.23 # watch out for black helicopters ;) 00.35.26 # Reno: I'll send you a crate of beer, if you're in europe :) 00.35.26 # I guess if enough people within all companies involved start asking for this, it might happen 00.35.26 # like 7 days 00.35.37 # One guy asking for docs probably won't help much 00.35.43 # i hope you'll excuse me for saying so, but i'm afraid i'm not overly optimistic :) 00.35.55 # its cool 00.35.59 # rasher: here is hoping he doesnt ask ;) 00.36.08 # he'll try though! :) 00.36.13 # which is good 00.36.17 # who knows he might get them! 00.36.21 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.36.21 Nick elinenbe_ is now known as elinenbe (i=elinenbe@cpe-68-174-107-47.nyc.res.rr.com) 00.36.27 # if he doesnt ask, he might :) 00.36.55 # scorche|w: O dear, you mean... 'leak'? 00.37.01 # "it is easier to apologize than ask for permission..." 00.37.33 # "I thought it'd be alright" 00.37.36 # oh i got a question i just downloaded a GIF viewer from this site i want to know ho i can install it? can anyone help? 00.37.39 # please? 00.37.53 # "this site"? 00.38.07 # yeah rockbox. 00.38.17 # apple goon: "Did you read your contract, it says:'On penalty of castration, you shall not leak any data sheets'" 00.38.21 # where did you get it? 00.38.24 # from tracker/patches. 00.38.34 # apple goon: "in 25pt comic sans serif" 00.38.39 Quit freqmod (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.38.56 Join cheesemonkey [0] (i=463f1efc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b146a2c1a1e12534) 00.39.00 # Reno: then you got a patch...not the viewer itself 00.39.03 # hello 00.39.10 # see the SimpleGuideToCompiling wikipage 00.39.11 # TMM: comic sans ms. I should hope there's not a serif version of that font 00.39.20 # hello? 00.39.50 # rasher: "For that classy touch" 00.40.04 # where can i get the viewer? 00.40.16 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 00.40.29 # Reno: you have to compile it....see the page i linked you 00.40.59 Join [IDC]Dragon [0] (i=0c182f0a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a134833e18dd2383) 00.41.41 Quit cheesemonkey (Client Quit) 00.41.55 # <[IDC]Dragon> hello Rockbox world 00.42.09 # why, hello 00.42.12 Quit x3ro ("CGI:IRC") 00.42.18 Join morey [0] (n=bmorey@cpe-71-65-110-167.woh.res.rr.com) 00.42.54 # * [IDC]Dragon is currently in silicon valley, therefore that late GMT 00.42.56 # um...where's the link? 00.43.01 # sorry? 00.43.17 Join Alienbiker99 [0] (n=richard@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net) 00.43.25 # [IDC]Dragon: how long have you been?....3 of us were there last weekend 00.43.38 # Reno: it wasnt a link...it was the name if a wiki page 00.43.39 # <[IDC]Dragon> oops 00.43.42 # of 00.43.50 # <[IDC]Dragon> I've been here last weekend, too 00.43.54 # bah! 00.44.01 # * scorche|w kicks [IDC]Dragon 00.44.08 # <[IDC]Dragon> ouch 00.44.39 # <[IDC]Dragon> why have you been here, and why not any more? 00.44.44 # ok thank you! i have to go now i'll be back and i'll try to get those sheets asap, thanks! :) 00.44.49 Quit Alienbiker99 (Client Quit) 00.44.50 # [IDC]Dragon: and you didn't recognise them in their Rockbox shirts? ;) 00.44.55 Join elinenbe_ [0] (i=elinenbe@cpe-68-174-107-47.nyc.res.rr.com) 00.44.57 Join Alienbiker99_ [0] (n=richard@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net) 00.44.57 # <[IDC]Dragon> haha 00.45.11 # * [IDC]Dragon is interested in Apple datasheets, too 00.45.17 # [IDC]Dragon: google mentor summit...we were over in mountain view partying at google...then went to san fran sunday 00.45.34 # <[IDC]Dragon> I'm considering a new player hardware, actually 00.45.42 # yeah i'll be back and i'll try to get them bye! :) 00.45.53 # <[IDC]Dragon> and where's the crowd now? 00.46.18 Quit Reno ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.46.20 # back home except for markun, who should be leaving tomorrow for new york 00.46.56 # <[IDC]Dragon> this is really a pity, I had a rather boring weekend here, we could very well have met 00.47.15 Quit morey ("Ninja IRC v1.5.8.1(#1) exiting after 6m38s of use") 00.47.20 # bah...i wish i would have known...there is a good chance you could have come to google with us...at the very least, got drunk with us at the hotel (and eaten pizza paid for by google) 00.47.31 # <[IDC]Dragon> have you been at the fleet week? 00.48.05 # yeah...we didnt know about it, but just happened to go to san fran and see jets flying above our heads :) 00.49.08 # <[IDC]Dragon> I avoided SF, thought it would bee to crowded then 00.49.14 # <[IDC]Dragon> too 00.49.52 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.49.52 Nick elinenbe_ is now known as elinenbe (i=elinenbe@cpe-68-174-107-47.nyc.res.rr.com) 00.50.13 # it wasnt bad...but it is a shame that we missed you 00.50.24 # <[IDC]Dragon> sigh 00.51.36 Quit ender` (" I went to a restaurant that serves "breakfast at any time." So I ordered French Toast during the Renaissance.") 00.51.54 # * [IDC]Dragon just remembers that he coudn't have joined, left his Rockbox t-shirt at home 00.52.07 # kkurbjun didnt have one either 00.53.28 # <[IDC]Dragon> back to my hardware considerations, is there a current trend? Shoud I get a Sansa E280 or bet on Apple classic/nano 3g hardware? 00.54.04 # sansa...not likely that rockbox will be on the new ipods 00.54.19 # <[IDC]Dragon> I considered getting a nano 3g, not for Rockbox, just for a nice player 00.54.42 # <[IDC]Dragon> but then I realised what a prison Apple has built wit itunes 00.55.14 # not rockbox?...for shame 00.55.28 # <[IDC]Dragon> my collection is not well tagged, itunes would make a mess from it 00.55.50 # it would 00.55.53 # itunes sucks so badly 00.56.00 # [IDC]Dragon: the gigabeat S port is in its initial stages, code is running on the target 00.56.15 # e280 is the better bet, i sincerely doubt we'll have support for the newer ipods anytime soon, if ever 00.56.20 # * [IDC]Dragon googles what that looks like 00.56.48 # it's also almost impossible to buy new, and is even rare to find used 00.57.02 # but yeah if you want a player that's usable (with rockbox) a sansa is a better bet 00.57.17 # I mean usable _now_ 00.57.24 # * n1s should go to bed 00.57.33 # if you go flash player I'd prefer the Sansa anyways - more flexible with the microSD slot but then the Nano probably has the nicer display 00.58.01 # * scorche|w leaves for home 00.58.04 # [IDC]Dragon: all software is encrypted, data sheets are secret, and chips are glued to the main board, really friendly development platform :/ (new ipods) 00.58.23 # <[IDC]Dragon> I think I prefer flash, since the HD models are more heavy and the disks too small anyway 00.58.36 Quit scorche|w ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.58.36 # [IDC]Dragon: 160 gigs is too small? :P 00.58.39 # Not that iTunes is required, but... 00.58.45 # <[IDC]Dragon> yes, I saw an ipod dissection 00.59.07 # <[IDC]Dragon> only apple features 160 GB, right? 00.59.17 # yeap 00.59.24 # <[IDC]Dragon> (my Archos has 160 GB) 00.59.52 # Is an ARchos OS? 01.00.04 Quit n1s () 01.00.07 # <[IDC]Dragon> ? 01.00.09 # Open Specs I should say 01.00.29 Join Wiwie [0] (n=goddi@86-41-121-155.b-ras2.lmk.limerick.eircom.net) 01.00.44 # <[IDC]Dragon> the Archos is the where Rockbox emerged from 01.01.22 # <[IDC]Dragon> and yes, it is built from standard chips, with all datasheets available 01.01.50 # <[IDC]Dragon> and weights nearly a pound... 01.02.00 # nice. I havn't had a chance to get my hands on one. Just stuck between itunes+ipod (6th gen) and *something else* 01.02.34 # gah. larger than it looks 01.02.35 # heh 01.02.56 Join elinenbe_ [0] (i=elinenbe@cpe-68-174-107-47.nyc.res.rr.com) 01.03.09 # <[IDC]Dragon> are the itunes alternatives reasonably useful? Like, would they take the directory name for artist/album name? 01.03.48 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.03.49 Nick elinenbe_ is now known as elinenbe (i=elinenbe@cpe-68-174-107-47.nyc.res.rr.com) 01.04.03 # [IDC]Dragon, easy to do with amarok 01.04.34 # <[IDC]Dragon> amarok can load the latest ipods? 01.04.48 # no. that's why I i'm stuck 01.05.02 # * signuts has had a 1st gen ipod for pages 01.05.08 # [IDC]Dragon: IIUC, the itunes database is limited in terms of filename lengths, so you can't just put files anywhere and build a db. 01.05.43 # <[IDC]Dragon> gah, sounds bad and worse 01.06.10 # <[IDC]Dragon> maybe I should try a capable tagger first 01.07.15 # You may also have read about Apple's addition of a signature in the itunesdb. It's been cracked already, but maybe all the apps haven't been updated yet. 01.07.19 # <[IDC]Dragon> my endpoint directories are named "artist - album", this could be tagged into the files if nothing in there 01.07.34 # <[IDC]Dragon> linuxstb: yes, saw that 01.08.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.08.30 # And of course Apple may do something even worse in the future, although you obviously could stick with older versions of their firmware... But I've no desire to take the closed Apple route. 01.08.58 # <[IDC]Dragon> that company really turned evil 01.09.03 Quit Wiwie ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 01.10.37 # Although a 160GB disk in that form-factor is very tempting... 01.11.02 # <[IDC]Dragon> mount that into the gigabeat... 01.11.38 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 01.12.06 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c210-49-113-143.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 01.13.23 # Good luck - the disk has a CE-ATA interface. 01.13.43 # Although I think Samsung have announced 160GB disks with a ZIF interface. 01.13.54 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 01.14.16 Join Bam2550 [0] (n=Bill@c-69-249-243-110.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 01.15.19 # Is it possible to edit the names/titles of things in rockbox like Database --> Musix Plugins --> Games 01.17.39 Quit Soap (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.18.48 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-226-143.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 01.19.10 # i'm searching the open source area... 01.19.16 # probably will take forever + 34 01.19.45 # You can modify apps/lang/english.lang and then compile your own Rockbox build. 01.19.49 # does rockbox support the touchscreens on the generation4 archos devices? 01.20.07 # It doesn't support anything on the generation4 archos devices. 01.20.58 Join Soligna [0] (i=cdc9cf3e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d26fba4761155665) 01.21.00 Join Soap [0] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 01.21.05 # linuxstb, do you mind going a tad more in depth? 01.21.08 # ahh. completely different hardware I assume 01.21.23 # * Nico_P has an apparently good rebuffer and seek implementation :D 01.21.39 # Bam2550: Do you understand what I mean by "compile your own build" ? 01.22.05 # no, sort of, a little. But cant i just edit the english.lang directly on the ipod? 01.22.37 # english.lang doesn't exist on the ipod 01.22.51 # Nico_P: so how close to an SVN commit? a few days max I expect :) 01.23.10 # c200 usb detect is GPIOH pin 0x02 01.23.11 # F:\.rockbox\langs\english.lng 01.23.25 # jhMikeS: I don't know... I want to have it working quite well before I commit 01.23.37 # and there are still a lot of things I haven't tested and debugged 01.23.39 # is there a reason for the convoluted usb_detect other than we didn't know the port pin? 01.24.08 # Zagor: It's to determine the difference between a usb connection to a PC, and a usb connection to a wall charger. 01.24.27 # Linuxstb: cant i just change the word Database in F:\.rockbox\langs\english.lng and save the changes? 01.24.38 # jhMikeS: although I have to say I'm feeling better and better with playback.c and I feel the base is slowly coming together nicely 01.24.56 # Bam2550: Have you tried? 01.25.13 # Bam2550: english.lng is not a text file... 01.25.39 Join chris_mt [0] (n=chatzill@host-69-145-134-192.grf-mt.client.bresnan.net) 01.25.46 # Nico_P: I'm sort of kidding around about the few days. That's good to hear though. 01.25.48 # Hello, I can't get my sansa e200r to get into recovery mode by loading a vanilla bootloader, when I input the command ./e200tool recover BL_SD_boardSupportSD.rom in ubuntu it says no such file or directory 01.25.50 # hello hello 01.26.14 # Soligna: If you type "ls", do you see e200tool there? 01.26.15 # jhMikeS: :) in a week I hope to have pretty much useable code 01.26.29 # yes 01.26.31 # ah, so _several_ days instead of a few...:P 01.26.53 # <|Rain|> Soligna: are you on a 32-bit or 64-bit system? (assuming x86) 01.26.59 Quit Bam2550 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.27.00 # linuxstb: 64-bit 01.27.15 # well, that was to rain anyways 01.27.16 # |Rain|: 64-bit ;) 01.27.41 # <|Rain|> Soligna: do you have 32-bit compatibility libraries installed? if the 32-bit ld-linux.so.2 can't be found, it'll also say 'no such file or directory' when you try to run it 01.27.45 # <|Rain|> (even if you have the path correct) 01.28.27 # <[IDC]Dragon> what's special with the Sansa "R" postfixed models? 01.28.27 Quit Soligna ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.28.47 Join Soligna [0] (i=cdc9cf3e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9375c0bdeaa5c4d6) 01.28.48 # More security against 3rd party code. 01.28.59 # <[IDC]Dragon> I reckon it's about Rhapsody support, does it make any difference for us? 01.29.10 # |Rain| accidentally hit the back button, no I dont think the 32 bit libraries are installed 01.29.42 # <|Rain|> Soligna: that's probably your problem if you're using a precompiled e200tool (which I got the impression you are -- but I might be wrong) 01.30.18 # <[IDC]Dragon> should I avoid an R model, or go for it, or is it irrelevant? 01.30.24 # [IDC]Dragon: The hardware appears to be identical, but the original firmware only upgrades itself with firmwares passing a signature check, which requires a private key we don't know. 01.30.27 # |Rain| I am, should I just switch to my 32 bit, or where can I get the libraries? 01.30.31 Part chrisjs169 ("Leaving") 01.30.36 # what's the easiest way to check what's been recently committed for a certain target? 01.31.00 # <[IDC]Dragon> linuxstb: I read that as an "avoid at all cost" 01.31.06 # [IDC]Dragon: Assuming you have access to a Linux box, you can install Rockbox. 01.31.11 # (so no, it's fine) 01.31.14 # chris_mt: most commits are multi-target 01.31.22 # hmmm 01.31.24 # ok. 01.31.25 # <|Rain|> Soligna: you could try to find a 64-bit e200tool binary or compile your own 01.31.59 # I'm wondering if the sansa usb situation has improved in the past week, or how it's coming 01.32.05 # <|Rain|> Soligna: otherwise, your linux distribution probably has packages for it, but I'm still using a 32-bit box so I don't know what the package name is on ubuntu offhand 01.32.22 # <[IDC]Dragon> linuxstb: I have, and perhaps need to read about how and why the oinstallation works 01.32.24 # |Rain| I think I'll just get a 32 bit version of ubuntu and try it on my other computer, I dont think there is a 64 bit version of e200tool and I dont have the knowledge to compile my own 01.33.00 # |Rain| thanks for the help, this has been giving me trouble the past few hours 01.33.24 # <|Rain|> hopefully I'm not completely off my rocker 01.33.35 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@cpe-70-113-103-34.austin.res.rr.com) 01.33.35 # hopefully :) 01.33.35 # <|Rain|> I'm still recovering from an 18-hour work day on 2 hours of sleep 01.33.36 # chris_mt: I'm working on native usb disk mode, if that's what you mean. 01.33.51 # yeah, exactly. 01.33.54 # ah that sucks, well I have to go if I have more questions I'll come by here again 01.33.55 # how's it coming? 01.33.57 # <|Rain|> Zagor: what do you have so far? I was just starting on one 01.34.09 # I just installed a week old build on my girlfriend's e260 01.34.24 Quit Soligna ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.34.24 # i'm working on the InfoNES thing... 01.34.47 # <|Rain|> I've only got as far as working out how the usb stack code that's there works 01.35.06 # it's a while away still. I'm 90% done with the chip driver, ~30% on the core stuff and 0% on the actual usb-storage part 01.35.14 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.35.16 # do you have to use some kind of usb sniffer or similar? 01.35.21 Join saratoga [0] (i=9803c50e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6b648e795ae170a5) 01.35.29 # <|Rain|> Zagor: so your code so far is pretty much all in svn? 01.35.29 # no, this part of the chip is fully documented 01.35.39 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.35.57 # |Rain|: no, I'm starting over from scratch. I wanted to try to make it simpler than the current code. 01.36.03 # <|Rain|> ahh 01.36.32 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 01.36.57 # Zagor: Have you thought about other drivers, such as serial (for remote debugging)? 01.37.00 # cool, I'll be watching... 01.37.26 Quit crwl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.37.29 # linuxstb: yes I have. serial would be very nice to have. I don't see a problem supporting that. 01.37.31 # I haven't attempted any heavy debugging yet. Seems like it could be tricky. 01.37.53 # Is it possible to remote debug on some of the targets? 01.38.15 # jhMikeS: http://repo.or.cz/w/Rockbox.git?a=commitdiff;h=0b61c5c1a348f65fbbf5b8271abcb27159007607 01.38.28 # <|Rain|> Zagor: is your rework available in a public place, yet? 01.38.34 # |Rain|: no 01.38.44 # chris_mt: only with hardware modification 01.38.55 # * Nico_P whispers "git" in Zagor's ear 01.38.57 # hmm 01.39.31 # i still want to commit cabbie as the default rockbox theme 01.39.41 # has anyone expressed an opinion on this while i've been away 01.40.54 # saratoga: I dislike that it introduces a new rockbox logo 01.41.47 # So remove the backdrop image and just use a solid black background in the menus? 01.42.28 Join windio00 [0] (n=windio00@166.128.195.224) 01.42.43 # i would like to have a rockbox logo somewhere, but i have no strong feelings about which or where 01.43.14 # I don't think the current logo can go anywhere without being obtrusive at the moment. 01.43.15 Join atsea-34 [0] (i=atsea-@gateway/tor/x-46756b337472c622) 01.43.21 # It shows on boot, and that's probably good enough for the time being. 01.43.23 Join Naked [0] (i=naked@naked.iki.fi) 01.43.24 Nick Naked is now known as Hadaka (i=naked@naked.iki.fi) 01.43.29 # hey im going to an installfest and bringing my ipod video with rockbox to talk about . . . what kind of things would be cool to say about rockbox? 01.43.32 # and cabbie is not very targets complete as far as I'm aware 01.43.46 # I guess the logo could be used if faded 01.43.53 # pixelma: But it's simple enough that completing it wouldn't be beyond the scope of one dedicated person, if that person wanted badly to commit it. 01.43.55 # i just like the flac and ogg capabilities :) 01.44.07 # windio00: doom ! (jk) 01.44.08 # well not just 01.44.16 # but 01.44.19 # Zagor: For the version of Cabbie I used a while, I took the logo and rotated it 90 degrees, and placed it at the right edge of the screen, so it didn't interfere with most lists. 01.44.19 # saratoga: Where is cabbie? 01.44.20 # pixelma: it runs on half of the targets so far 01.44.26 # i'll extend it if others support using it 01.44.30 # Llorean: if it was that easy... *sigh, thinking about my "easy enough" wps myself* 01.44.47 # linuxstb: http://www.rockbox-themes.org/data/240x320x16/Cabbie_V1Beta.png 01.44.54 # Nico_P: yeah that would be cool . . . has support got better? last time i tried it really choppy 01.45.05 # pixelma: Well, I use a very special definition of "easy enough" meaning "I don't have to do it, so I can get away with saying it" :-P 01.45.12 # saratoga: how many are that, thinking of RWPSs too... 01.45.14 # saratoga: Very orange ;) 01.45.28 # yeah, I too think it's a bit too high-contrast 01.45.30 # frozen bubble might be better 01.45.31 # yes, but the orange looks suprisingly good on the device 01.45.34 # its quite readible 01.45.37 # feels like old green screens :) 01.45.41 # even in poor lighting 01.45.43 # i could try playing the elephant dream thing 01.46.09 # pixelma: 4 done, 4 to go 01.46.13 # saratoga: Shouldn't it have a status bar in the menu? 01.46.21 # saratoga: I like it. But I guess the logo shouldn't be there (even though I personally like it) 01.46.31 # status bar? 01.46.45 # The top line - icons, clock, etc... 01.46.59 # What's been moved to the bottom in the wps 01.47.00 # linuxstb: I wasn't aware that was possible 01.47.19 # It is, but not a customised one. 01.47.27 # (yet...) 01.47.35 # i wouldn't mind leaving a logo in the menu background, but i agree it should at very least be made much, much fainter 01.47.48 # i was suprised how much midi support has gotten better 01.48.03 # it sounds perfect now 01.48.14 # linuxstb: so its just hard coded to have some of the things on the bottom menu from that picture? 01.48.14 # saratoga: well, the logo shouldn't be there because it's not the actual Rockbox logo 01.48.25 # rasher: yes I agree 01.48.26 # saratoga: I count 10 main screen resolutions (+1 grey version of the 160x128) + 2 remote screens 01.48.40 # pixelma: sorry, was only thinking color targets 01.48.47 # i don't see any reason to involve the grayscale ones yet 01.48.54 # since cabbie won't work for them anyway 01.49.00 # might as well make it a second commit 01.49.13 # I don't see how it couldn't work for grayscale 01.49.22 # It won't be orange, obviously, but it could look much the same 01.49.26 # IMO we don't need to force a colour theme onto the smaller (and greyscale) targets though. The current default is reasonable. 01.49.33 # thought the goal was to get at least the same feeling everywhere 01.49.57 # IMO the goal is give a reasonable first impression of Rockbox. 01.49.57 # i'd like to commit something for the color targets, and sooner if possible 01.50.05 # then we can tweak it as we feel is needed 01.50.06 # and iCatcher proofs that it is possible 01.50.10 # for some reason depending on the build turning on and off doesnt work 01.50.11 # almost anything is better then what we have now 01.50.29 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 01.50.35 # working now though 01.50.52 # pixelma: My suggestion in the contest was to have the same "feel" everywhere. 01.51.04 # But I agree that's not strictly necessary for a default, just a "would be nice" 01.51.06 # I would want that too 01.51.38 # though it's hard 01.51.43 # I think though that "feel" can be accomplished by using similar styled icons, fonts from the same family, similar volume indicator, etc, without concerning too much with any exact replication of layout etc. 01.51.55 # Llorean: thats a good point 01.52.07 # layout may be tricky for some targets (C200) 01.52.13 # And stuff such as "header in a rounded rectangle" 01.52.17 # Or 4:3 vs 3:4 screens 01.52.38 # it doesn't even have to include the same info 01.52.45 # in my opinion, of course 01.52.56 # I think "Next Song" information is absolutely sacrifice-able on smaller screens 01.52.58 # sure 01.53.08 # Or rather, "can be tacked on on larger screens to fill up empty space" 01.53.17 # Depending on whether you like it or dislike it. :) 01.53.21 Part hachi 01.53.23 # I didn't say that it has to look all the same that's impossible 01.53.41 # doesn't icatcher pretty much attempt that? 01.53.51 # iCatcher does attempt that. 01.53.59 # I personally dislike it, but I'm no longer against it being made default. 01.54.17 # I remember it looking pretty bad on h120. 01.54.25 # I was against rushing to make it default, some time ago, but no other new alternatives really came up 01.54.25 # Mainly how the grays were used 01.54.45 # but there are slight differences for smaller screens too 01.55.03 # anyway, it's not like the default can't be changed if it gets lots of complaints 01.55.26 # rasher: thats my thought 01.55.35 Quit barrywardell () 01.55.39 # rasher: when did you last try? And by the way, I don't like it much on my M5 too because the font is quite small on that screen (smaller pixels than the H100) 01.56.03 # pixelma: it was a while ago (3-4 months perhaps) 01.56.15 # is there an easy way to get the face plate off a ipod video to wipe dust off? 01.56.59 Join Bam2550 [0] (n=Bill@c-69-249-243-110.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 01.57.05 # ok, so the consensus tonight is that I should remove the logo, and that its probably ok for to use for the color targets? 01.57.31 Quit Soap_ () 01.57.37 # saratoga: Maybe take some screenshots in various sims to show how it looks at different screen sizes? 01.57.40 # rasher: in the beginning the H100 used the colour icons and let Rockbox do the downscaling with unexpected results, later it got spcified greyscale icons but can't tell for sure which version you looked at 01.57.55 # Linuxstb: which string holds the ipodnano DataBase thing? 01.58.03 # in the english.lang file 01.58.12 # pixelma: that might be it.. I no longer have it, so I guess my opinion is no longer relevant 01.59.07 # Bam2550: Just search for "Database" - I don't know exactly. 01.59.36 # Llorean: I can do that, but it may take a few days before I'll have time 01.59.51 # do you think a wiki page would be a good idea, or just posting in the forums thread? 01.59.55 # i wish it was just the english.lang for ipodnano 01.59.56 # saratoga: Just a suggestion is all, so that next time this comes up you can show how it looks elsewhere. :) 02.00.37 # its a good idea, theres no real way for most people to see the ported versions without compiling the simulator since I didn't include pictures 02.00.45 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.7/2007091417]") 02.00.55 # i'm off to bed 02.00.56 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 02.00.56 # linuxstb: can you join #Bam255012 for a second? i have a question, that i cant really ask here because it has alot of lines of text. 02.05.28 Join elinenbe [0] (i=elinenbe@cpe-68-174-107-47.nyc.res.rr.com) 02.07.22 Quit windio00 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.08.24 Part toffe82 02.09.11 Quit BrianHV (Remote closed the connection) 02.09.40 Join Jon-Kha_ [0] (i=jon-kha@80-248-247-190.cust.suomicom.fi) 02.10.09 Join crwl [0] (n=crawlie@a88-114-143-95.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 02.10.14 Quit Jon-Kha (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.10.15 Quit XavierGr_ () 02.12.10 Quit Bam2550 () 02.15.11 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 02.16.04 # saratoga: Looking at Cabbie again, I think it would be better to use icons, rather than text, for "Shu", "Rpt" etc - I don't think we want English text in a default theme. 02.16.36 # * linuxstb notices "Now Playing" and "Next"... 02.17.30 # I think they can stay, but the abbreviated text should go 02.17.32 Part antgel 02.17.35 # good point 02.17.50 # The default langueage is English anyway. 02.18.07 # Well, WPSes could be made localizable somehow. :-P 02.18.26 # couldn't i just draw text on top of a blank bar for that part? 02.18.30 Join webguest13 [0] (i=a680c3e0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f8f825d2851f48ec) 02.18.31 # A suffix to images based on the language name, so repeat_danks.bmp for repeat.bmp. :-P 02.18.42 # i suppose thats not really any bettter though 02.19.25 # Some themes manage to get away without any text 02.19.26 # is rockbox based on some *nix? 02.19.31 # no 02.19.36 # webguest13: It's not based on anything. 02.19.52 # if anyone wants to suggest an icon set, please feel free 02.20.06 # rasher: all firmware then? 02.20.17 Join BrianHV [0] (n=bhv1@copland.brianhv.org) 02.20.21 # anyone got a quick link to screenshots of this "cabbie"? im intrigued 02.20.24 # i'd say its more of an operating system really 02.20.30 # saratoga: There's a colored version of the default iconset 02.20.36 # webguest13: What do you mean? Rockbox is an operating system written from scratch 02.21.14 # iamben: its on this page for the gigabeat: http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=240x320x16 02.21.21 # rasher: oh ok . . . so in the beginning . . . was it like a linux from scratch situation? 02.21.25 # i can't seem to link to both frames of that picture otherwise 02.21.27 # If you want something slightly bigger, the buuf icons look nice and are good with that theme if I recall 02.22.06 # rasher: reverse engineering? 02.22.27 # Llorean: icons aren't specific to the target resolution right? 02.22.35 # webguest13: http://www.rockbox.org/history.html 02.22.37 # webguest13: I don't understand your questions, I'm afraid 02.22.40 # i would think there are a lot of interesting stories about how it came to be 02.23.14 # linuxstb: thanks 02.23.21 # saratoga: They're best matched with font size. 02.23.23 # webguest13: If you're bored there is almost 6 years of mailing list archives... http://www.rockbox.org/mail/ 02.23.58 # saratoga: Or just pick one that matches the smallest font size you'll be using (buuf is 12x12, and of course the colored defaults are the same size as the defaults) 02.24.02 Join elinenbe_ [0] (i=elinenbe@cpe-68-174-107-47.nyc.res.rr.com) 02.24.13 # Llorean: do you have a link to the default icons? 02.24.52 # saratoga: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/IconSets/custom_icons.6x8x16.bmp and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/IconSets/custom_viewers_icons.6x8x16.bmp 02.24.56 Join RoC_MasterMind [0] (n=Free@c-66-177-39-225.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 02.25.08 Quit webguest13 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.25.42 Join elinenbe__ [0] (n=elinenbe@cpe-68-174-107-47.nyc.res.rr.com) 02.27.53 Join animeloe [0] (n=animeloe@unaffiliated/animeloe) 02.29.04 Quit Jon-Kha_ (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 02.29.19 Quit linuxstb ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.7/2007091417]") 02.29.27 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 02.30.38 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.30.58 Quit [IDC]Dragon ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 02.36.04 Quit elinenbe__ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.39.50 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.40.12 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B13FF7.dip.t-dialin.net) 02.41.54 Quit roolku () 02.43.01 Quit elinenbe_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.43.43 Nick linuxstb__ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 02.45.24 Join sdoyon [0] (n=steph@modemcable193.152-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) 02.45.41 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@ppp-71-142-14-143.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net) 02.57.32 Nick lymeca_ is now known as lymeca (i=lymeca@unaffiliated/lymeca) 02.58.31 Quit Alienbiker99_ ("Ex-Chat") 03.04.18 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 03.04.24 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 03.05.33 Join tictoc [0] (i=tabac@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xB9002659) 03.05.57 Part pixelma 03.06.27 Quit thegeek ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.1 :: www.regroup-esports.com )") 03.08.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.15.45 Quit tictoc (Remote closed the connection) 03.15.58 Quit gboxx ("Lost terminal") 03.16.55 Join tictoc [0] (i=tabac@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xB9002659) 03.20.28 Join psycho_maniac [0] (i=psycho_m@207.230.218.225) 03.20.44 Join Maha` [0] (i=tabac@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xB9002659) 03.21.12 Quit chris_mt ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.7/2007091417]") 03.21.32 Quit tictoc (Remote closed the connection) 03.22.05 # Bagder, are you around? 03.23.44 Quit qwm (Remote closed the connection) 03.23.57 Join qwm [0] (n=qwm@h38n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 03.24.45 Join Bam2550 [0] (n=Bill@c-69-249-243-110.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 03.25.43 # Hello, i am at this step: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling#Configuring_Build and i dont understand what to type in for the third instruction. i tried typing in ../tools/configure but i received an error. 03.27.19 # what error? 03.27.52 Quit pill ("changing servers") 03.28.40 # bash: ../tools/configure: No such file or directory 03.29.00 Join pill [0] (i=pill@sloth.shellfx.net) 03.29.58 # is your "build" directory a subdirectory of rockbox? 03.30.07 # then you must not have followed the previous 2 steps 03.30.36 # C:\cygwin\home\Administrator\build is where it is located 03.30.50 # and your rockbox source directory is? 03.31.09 # when i typed mkdir build it went there 03.31.15 # Bam2550: here is step one: "Create a new folder for the compiling by typing mkdir folder, where folder is the name of the folder (I tend to call it build). This folder should be inside the Rockbox source folder." 03.31.27 # yes 03.31.30 # now type "cd build" then do that command 03.31.32 # emphasis on the second sentence 03.31.34 Quit jmspeex (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.31.43 # thne i typed cd build 03.31.46 # and then i typed the command 03.31.49 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp84-75.adsl.forthnet.gr) 03.32.02 # *This folder should be inside the Rockbox source folder.* 03.32.15 # rockbox/build/ 03.32.16 # well it didn't end up there o.0 03.32.20 Join jmspeex [0] (n=jmspeex@142.163.233.220.exetel.com.au) 03.32.21 # when i typed mkdir 03.32.24 # build 03.32.49 # because you need to go inside the rockbox source folder before you issue the command 03.33.00 # oh oh i c 03.33.01 # lulz 03.33.07 # * Bam2550 starts over 03.33.15 # please use real english in here.. 03.33.41 # cd rockbox, mkdir build, cd build, ../tools/configure 03.33.53 # sorry schorche 03.34.02 # sounds good 03.34.06 # thank you. 03.34.57 # and since i have a nano i type 21 because 21 is next to nano. 03.35.06 # correct 03.35.13 Nick Maha` is now known as velluva (i=tabac@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xB9002659) 03.35.16 # then i type n 03.35.21 # correct 03.35.34 # Bam2550: just follow the instructions 03.35.46 # Cool... when you do things in order it works out better =0 03.36.05 # Bam2550: usually yes lol 03.39.15 # NO!!Q 03.39.52 # make[1]: arm-elf-gcc: command not found 03.40.02 # look into your path 03.40.42 # and make sure you followed the cygwin installation page correctly 03.40.57 # make[1]: *** [/home/administrator/rockbox/build/firmware/sysfont.o] Error 127 03.41.07 # Should i reinstall and start over? 03.41.13 # [18:39:00] look into your path 03.41.13 # [18:39:39] and make sure you followed the cygwin installation page correctly 03.41.33 # Should i reinstall and start over? 03.41.47 # ...we just told you what you should do 03.44.33 # your PATH is what tells your OS where to look for "things". IIRC one of the post-install instructions is to tell your cgywin environment where to find the arm-elf-gcc compiler 03.45.19 # really? 03.46.42 # er how do i do that? 03.49.03 # Soap? 03.49.49 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment#Step_4_Add_the_cross_compiler_di 03.50.34 Nick velluva is now known as ooooooo (i=tabac@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xB9002659) 03.51.13 # it says go to \ect\profile but i only have an \ect\profile.d im assuming thats the right one? 03.51.58 # someone else more familiar with cgywin should speak up for me at this point. 03.53.26 # is there another way? 03.53.42 # there is the way 03.53.47 # vmware 03.53.52 # no 03.54.11 # it says that is the other way... 03.54.26 # If you don't like Cygwin and you want to avoid setting it, you can try the VMwareDevelopmentPlatform which contains all needed files, compressed in an emulated Debian Linux environment. 03.54.28 # the way is to finish what you started and learn how to set the PATH environment in cgywin. 03.55.20 # No thanks, i think i'm going to go with VMware 03.55.21 # if you feel the wiki is unclear (which it appears to be) - seek out another source for the answer (now that you know what the question is) or wait for someone who knows more than me (127 other people in this room). 03.55.49 # Running to vmware - just so you run into a different set of questions does not solve the fundamental problem. 03.56.42 # fine ill wait a while to see if anyone else comes around. 03.57.34 # Do you think if i try to reinstall the error might be fixed? or do you think it will happen over and over just because my computer is like this? 03.57.40 # or Google on how to set the PATH environment in cgywin. 03.57.59 # the problem is you didn't follow step 4 of the instructions. 03.58.15 # (re)install is steps 1, 2, and 3 03.58.18 Join Chronon_ [0] (n=knoppix@c-24-21-45-96.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 03.58.38 # This is automatically done by the installation script. 03.58.42 # no it is not 03.58.51 # then it lied 03.59.07 # i was quoting what it said 03.59.19 # the proof is in the pudding. 03.59.34 # Maybe i forgot to click on arm-elf-gcc? 03.59.47 # the pudding says "PATH is not set correctly" - assuming you actually did install arm-elf-gcc, yes. 04.00.31 # well im going to reinstall it 04.00.59 # should i just delete C:\cygwin because i cant find an unistall thing. 04.01.28 # you could verify if you have arm-elf installed... 04.01.28 Join keanu [0] (n=keanu@unaffiliated/keanu) 04.01.41 # how? 04.01.44 # Bam2550: did you by any chance open a txt file and type that stuff that it says on the wiki? 04.02.10 # what is "that stuff" 04.03.07 # something of the sort like "PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin..." 04.03.49 # i wish there was a text file in there... 04.03.55 Join saratoga [0] (i=9803c50e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2f55136f68442d4c) 04.04.12 # two csh and three sh files 04.04.55 # oh wait... i think it wants me to type cd /ect/profile 04.05.02 # then type that? 04.05.08 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.05.11 # (while in cygwin 04.05.16 # Bam2550: looking at the logs, I'd say you need to go back to the path step in the manual, and so what it suggests 04.05.25 # either edit that file, or do the other thing with the export 04.05.36 # there are 5 files there... 04.07.20 # actually there is no ect\profile 04.07.43 # * Bam2550 dies 04.08.07 # its not a folder, its a plain file... 04.08.14 # lol, i thought it was a folder 04.09.21 # Sorry guys =0 04.13.20 # alright i used to download simulator builds but now that i compile my own builds how do i make a zip file to make it easy to distrubute my own simulator? "../tools/configure" in sim i pick my player and then choose (S)imulator but in sim/archos/ there are no files 04.14.30 # or do i pick (A)dvanced and then (S)imulator ? 04.15.35 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.15.50 Quit hannesd (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.15.55 # psycho_maniac: did you compile it? 04.16.17 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B13FF7.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.16.39 # Id like to thank psycho_maniac, saratoga, Soap, and scorche for helping me. IT WORKS! 04.16.46 # as in run the make command? 04.17.47 # yes 04.18.01 # configure just gives you a make file, it doesn't compile anything 04.18.10 Join BonBonTheJon [0] (n=jon@69.61.203.3) 04.18.20 # you still need to do make and then make zip (or make install I think) just like a regular build 04.18.43 # since i guess the sim is pretty much a standard rockbox build, just one that targets SDL instead of a specific hardware device 04.19.11 # i did both and there are no files in the archos folder. im looking in "rockbox/sim/archos" correct? 04.19.34 # psycho_maniac: How sure are you that there are no files after "make install"? The .rockbox folder ought to be hidden... 04.20.25 Join alienbiker99 [0] (n=alienbik@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net) 04.22.54 # thanks but now when i over right the files it still runs as the old simulator i had. 04.23.32 # Did you overwrite the actual binary, and not just the archos folder? 04.24.14 # no i did not. what binary? 04.25.21 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.25.40 # the rockboxui or whatever its called 04.25.56 # the actual executable that is the sim 04.26.18 # where is that located? i cant seem to find it 04.27.15 # same directory as the archos folder 04.27.58 Join blistov_ [0] (n=blistov@S0106001346a471bb.ed.shawcable.net) 04.28.17 # i will still have my themes when i extract the new .rockbox folder right? 04.28.23 Join Toxicity999 [0] (n=bryan@unaffiliated/Toxicity999) 04.28.42 # hey, can someone update the e200 brick article here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick 04.29.00 # overwriting only replaces the files that are already there 04.29.12 # blistov_: what needs updating about it? 04.29.14 # and mention that when you boot into the recovery partion, there will be a file called version.txt, that MUST be removed 04.29.25 # it doesnt have to be 04.29.27 # blistov_: I've never had to remove it when restoring a firmware file. 04.29.30 # ... 04.29.31 # ok. 04.29.36 # i have another issue then. 04.29.42 # i completely bricked my device. 04.30.01 # there's a thread on it here http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=13167.0 04.30.01 # how? 04.30.03 # i doubt that, unless you were dicking around in preboot mode 04.30.13 # nope. 04.30.25 # rockboxui.exe does not exist 04.30.35 # used the installer on my first try, it used sanspatcher 0.4 i believe so i couldn't boot to the OF 04.31.07 # got into recovery mode, copied up the mi4 file, rebooted, and it never booted again. had to get a new device. 04.31.21 # blistov_, define: never booted again 04.31.25 # this is all i did. made a new folder, ran configure and picked simulator, ran make, now what? 04.31.37 # power comes on, blue light shines blue, that is all. 04.31.43 # blistov_: i dont see you performing the steps on that page 04.31.45 # can't boot to recovery mode. 04.31.47 # i also did make install 04.31.52 # so you overwrote the bootloader... 04.32.01 # go into manufacturing mode, and you can fix it 04.32.05 # oh yeah it worked (partys) 04.32.07 Quit Bam2550 () 04.32.09 # won't go into manufacture mode either. 04.32.14 # the device doesn't post. 04.32.24 # sansa's don't "post" 04.32.30 # it isnt a computer...it doesnt perfrom POSt 04.32.37 # also, if you're going to defraud sandisk, at least don't post about it in the forums 04.32.42 # better yet, just don't do that 04.32.53 # well anywho. 04.32.53 # blistov_: just follow those instructions and it will work 04.32.55 # and in order for it to not go into Manu Mode, you'd need to mess up the I2C rom 04.33.03 # thats all fine and good. 04.33.18 # i documented in the thread exactly what i did, and the results. 04.33.22 # blistov_: for the sake of curiosity, what happens when you tried to put it into manufactuing mode? 04.33.28 # nothing. 04.33.38 # define nothing 04.33.47 # blue light on. 04.33.49 # that is all. 04.33.56 # that *is* manufactuing mode 04.33.57 # screen doesn't turn on, backlight doesn't turn on. 04.34.15 # ...that is exactly what it is supposed to do 04.34.23 # "I couldn't find another thread with this problem, so I took it back and replaced the player." - did you try searching... 04.34.35 # so how do you recover from that if a usb bus doesn't see the device? 04.34.44 # e200tool... 04.34.50 # tried that. 04.34.52 # ...just as those instructions say 04.35.00 # e200tool doesn't find anything. 04.35.05 # its NOT ON THE USB BUS 04.35.12 # udev does not see the device. 04.35.23 # a strace on the bus does not report that there is anything attached to it. 04.35.33 # and lsusb? 04.35.33 # and the bus does not report any draw on the voltage. 04.35.50 # and you help power for 15 seconds and entered manufactuing mode again? 04.35.55 # held 04.36.00 # yes. 04.36.05 # turn off the Sansa, turn on hold, hold select/center, and turn on. that should force it into Manu mode 04.36.08 # and do you still have this device? 04.36.16 # and lsusb shows nothing. nor will it ever if the usb bus doesn't see the device. 04.36.29 # blistov_, then obviously your computer has a problem 04.36.51 # keanu, you use obviously pretty lightly. 04.37.00 # my computer doesn't have a problem. 04.37.07 # blistov_: Prove it. 04.37.13 # Though honestly it could also be a faulty Sansa 04.37.17 # But what it's not is version.txt 04.37.23 # An assumption you decided to jump to just as lightly. 04.37.40 Join Bam2550 [0] (i=bam2550@c-69-249-243-110.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 04.37.44 # With no experimentation, and a single experience weighed against the experience of dozens of other people. 04.38.00 # llorean, i experimented for about 5 hours. 04.38.05 # It could be multiple things. However, messing up recovery mode can't cause this issue 04.38.09 # blistov_: With a known good Sansa? 04.38.15 # i did try everything i found in the forums, and everything mentioned so far. 04.38.21 # as i said, do you still have the device? 04.38.38 # and yes, the player worked until i installed rockbox with the official installer. 04.38.47 # blistov_: That's not "known good" 04.38.49 # and no i do not have the device. i replaced it. 04.38.49 # blistov_, I've "bricked" my sansa at least a dozen times during testing - I've overwrote the i2c rom, the bootloader, and firmware (which seems worse than what you did) and I still recovered it 04.38.53 # That's "Know that the main firmware works" 04.39.07 # blistov_: Did you ever verify the manufacturing mode worked prior to installing Rockbox? 04.39.17 # yes. 04.39.29 # wait, no. 04.39.32 # "I put the player in manufacture mode and renamed rockboxpatch.c to BL_SDboardSupport.rom and patched it to my player with e200tool." 04.39.33 # verified recovery worke.d 04.39.37 # amazing forums post 04.39.39 # So, it's not "known good" 04.40.02 # saratoga, renamed a C file to the bootloader? 04.40.17 # llorean, how can you possibly prove something is NOT broken at some level? 04.40.27 # blistov_: Recovery mode works absolutely fine for everyone else without removing the .txt file, and whatever caused your problem was either a corrupted .mi4 file you copied over, or some other flaw with your player. 04.40.34 # back once again. Say i made a new "phrase" in the english.lang file. it was called GameBoy Games and it was on the Main Menu. How could i add ROMs to the GameBoy "phrase" thing. 04.40.35 # its really difficult to determine a negative, let alone prove it. 04.40.58 # blistov_, simply put, nobody has needed to remove version.txt, so I don't think the wiki article will be updated 04.41.15 # blistov_: its actually quite easy, just get the device to work, and then you know its not broken 04.41.36 # saratoga: Or rather, the specific function of the device in question 04.41.44 # You don't know everything works, but you do have a "it was working before" at least 04.41.45 # Bam2550, you'll need to add an entry to the menu code if you're trying to do what I think you're trying to do. 04.41.54 # i know it was working before. 04.42.02 # blistov_, define: what 04.42.04 # *it 04.42.16 # blistov_, what was working before? 04.42.19 # blistov_: We've covered that you don't know that manufacturing mode worked, which depends on different code in a different place than the main firmware. 04.42.20 # and saratoga, something working according to your observation is not definitive proof that NOTHING is broken. 04.42.36 # My point is simply that you jumped to a conclusion about version.txt 04.42.48 # Without testing it on the other, "working" player 04.42.50 # blistov_: sure it is, provided you've defined "working" properly 04.43.10 # anywho, funny how you have a definitive answer "blistov is wrong, and there is no problem" and not one of you has even asked what OS i'm running. 04.43.13 # blistov_: something not working according to your observation is not definitive proof that something has to be is broken. 04.43.24 # i mean, we're talking about an arbitrary test right? just define the test in such a way that you get arbitrarily high certainy 04.43.25 # safetydan_, how hard do you think it will be? 04.43.38 # scientific method and all that stuff 04.43.42 # it works quite well 04.43.44 # blistov_: because it has worked for dozens of other people many many times.... 04.43.45 # Bam2550, what do you know of programming in C? 04.44.00 # little amount 04.44.01 # blistov_: do you still ahve the device, so i can prove this to you? 04.44.05 # blistov_: You're wrong about version.txt 04.44.11 # i didn't say i was right. 04.44.20 # blistov_: You complained about us telling you you're wrong 04.44.27 # If you are wrong, it doesn't matter that we've told you so. 04.44.46 # blistov_, you said udev, lsusb, etc - that means it's unix based 04.44.56 # unix based is pretty broad. 04.45.02 # who cares 04.45.05 # blistov_, VERSION Rhapsody IRC Version 0.28b Beta - Linux 04.45.06 # safetydan_, im guessing it will be hard 04.45.12 # I just proved you use Linux 04.45.16 # no you didn't. 04.45.23 # you proved that irc reports such. 04.45.24 # ctcp says otherwise... 04.45.26 # jesus. 04.45.32 # blistov_: Yes, and you can lie to us as well 04.45.33 # blistov_: can you please prove you exist before continueing 04.45.49 # There's no point in having this argument. 04.45.52 # nope. 04.45.55 # The wiki page doesn't need changed, at least on that issue 04.45.55 # Llorean, agreed 04.45.57 # prove we're having this argument 04.46.03 # If you ever actually do some testing and figure out what you really did wrong, let us know. 04.46.07 # like i said, i was just reporting my experience with the official installer. 04.46.19 # For example, did you check an MD5 checksum of the MI4 you copied in recovery mode before disconnecting? 04.46.44 # Bam2550, http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6988 does something similar to what I think you're trying to achieve. Take a look at that patch to see what's needed 04.47.37 # you don't want to know if i did an md5 sum. you're trying to steer the solution to "blistov did something wrong" instead of "what went wrong". 04.47.50 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@66.172.231.192) 04.47.58 # blistov_: Well, in recovery mode, no Rockbox code is working. 04.47.58 Quit advcomp2019 (Nick collision from services.) 04.48.02 Nick advcomp2019_ is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@66.172.231.192) 04.48.03 # Wow thats great thanks! i wanted a video one too btw =). Also i can just change the title to GameBoy Games too, right? 04.48.09 # So either something was wrong with the original firmware or hardware of your sansa, or you did something wrong 04.48.18 # Since we can't fix anything with the original firmware, we only care what you did. 04.48.54 # If you care about "what went wrong" in Recovery Mode, and want to assume that you are infallible, go talk to Sansa, as it's their code that must've buggered things up. 04.49.13 # the official installer does not install a usable instance of rockbox. this has been tested on two devices. the first one bricked when i copied the mi4 file (as described in the thread) and would not go into recovery mode, and e200tool couldn't see the device in manufacture mode. period. 04.49.18 # Llorean, talked to Sandisk? ;) 04.49.26 # keanu: Sandisk, yeah 04.49.32 # i won't claim to be infallible, but you're insisting that i'm wrong, period. 04.49.36 # that solves nothing. 04.49.40 # Bam2550, you could add another entry for games yes 04.49.41 # blistov_: You are wrong about version.txt 04.49.42 # blistov_, are you sure USB support is working on your computer 04.50.00 # even if i was wrong, then i'm still not sure how two devices failed to run rockbox after using the official installer. 04.50.02 # there IS a bug. 04.50.03 # blistov_: But sansapatcher does fail to boot the original firmware, this isn't denied anywhere. 04.50.04 # safetydan_, how do i add patches =0 im searching ATM for an article but no real luck. 04.50.16 # blistov_: But everyone else can boot Rockbox after using sansapatcher, just not the original firmware. 04.50.21 # blistov_, Rockbox doesn't modify the bootloader, so I can't see why Recov mode wouldn't work 04.50.22 # i'm not saying anyone denies that. 04.50.29 # So, are you claiming that hundreds of users are not experiencing this bug, but only you are? 04.50.33 # does the official installer use the correct version of sanspatcher? 04.50.37 # Or could it be possible that there *is* something wrong with your USB? 04.50.45 # there is nothing wrong with my usb. 04.50.49 # nor my usb hub. 04.50.50 # blistov_, how do you know? 04.50.54 # blistov_: 1) Which "official installer" do you refer to? 04.51.00 # nor the i2c reporting 04.51.15 # blistov_, how do you know USB is working on your computer? 04.51.51 # blistov_: Are you talking about "Rockbox Utility"? 04.51.55 # every other device i connect to it works correctly. while this doesn't prove anything, i also had the same results on another computer. 04.52.04 # Bam2550, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches 04.52.13 # blistov_, have you tested a different usb cable? 04.52.19 # Thanks Dan 04.52.19 # yes. 04.52.28 # two devices, each came with a new cable. 04.52.34 # i find it *very* hard to believe you can't get two Sansas working 04.52.40 # .... 04.52.50 # keanu, seriously, i've said this thrice now. 04.53.00 # blistov_: You've also not answered a very specific question about what program you were using. 04.53.02 # i got the second device working, by manually installing. 04.53.04 # blistov_, notice "find" and "believe" 04.53.25 # blistov_, you said Recov mode didn't work on the second one... 04.53.53 # blistov_, nvm, read it wrong 04.53.57 # recovery didn't even come up after installation, and an attempt at recovery on the FIRST device. 04.54.30 # the only thing i did differently during the recovery on the second device, is that i deleted the version.txt file before unmounting. 04.54.47 # blistov_, and the second device...works? 04.54.50 # yes. 04.54.52 # works fine. 04.54.55 # blistov_: as it seems you arent willing to see things any other way, why dont you send the device to me, so i can prove this to you? 04.55.14 # blistov_, and you are sure that the MD5sums of the file put on the Sansas were the same? 04.55.45 # scorche, really? i've already said .... 4 times now that the origional (very bricked) device, was returned 04.55.53 # scorche, keanu: I suspect he has me on ignore. Ask him if he was using "Rockbox Utility", and when it was compiled. 04.55.57 # keanu, positive the md5 sums came up the same. 04.56.13 # blistov_, what was the md5sum? 04.56.22 # then why are we even arguing about this, since you cannot do tests on the device to see if you did things right or wrong? 04.56.29 # blistov_, did you use "Rockbox Utility" and if so, when was it compiled? 04.56.41 # 2c11dc0b10f1393115c54b17b6278cd2 04.56.49 # blistov_, what firmware version? 04.56.59 # 1.00.12 04.57.09 # i also tried that version on my new device, and it worked fine. 04.57.17 # hold on...I need to see if I can even find 1.00.12 04.57.29 # http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200/PP5022.mi4 04.57.31 # keanu: Seriously, stop talking with him, he seems to have no interest in actually tracking down the problem with whatever "official installer" he claims to have used. 04.57.42 # chill llorean. 04.57.59 # http://download.rockbox.org/rbutil/linux/rbutilqt-v1.0.1.tar.bz2 04.58.03 # blistov_: No, I won't. You claim there's a problem with our software, and the one person who's asking you questions about what of our software you used is the one person you're ignoring. 04.58.07 # enough of this...he doesnt have the device anymore, and so cant prove anything 04.58.14 # scorche, agreed 04.58.14 # srop the subject now 04.58.17 # drop 04.58.26 # if you want to continue, do it in PM 04.58.32 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 04.58.46 # blistov_: That was compiled early september, and predates the fix for the hanging original-os bootoader 04.58.56 # blistov_: It should boot Rockbox just fine, but may have problems booting the original firmware. 04.59.00 # thats whats posed on the site. 04.59.17 # what good is rockbox without the ability to boot to disk mode? 04.59.30 # it is a bug 04.59.32 # i'm not saying the rockbox utility bricked my device. 04.59.53 # i'm saying it should be mentioned in the installation instructions that you can't actually use the rockbox util if you want a working device. 05.00.08 # it works on some devices...on others, it doesnt 05.00.10 # blistov_: The instructions actually clearly state that we make no guarantee that any of our software will do anything at all 05.00.33 # blistov_: We cannot predict whether you'll have a problematic device, or whether the currently available build or installer is a buggy version: You are not using released software. 05.00.44 # If you fear things not working well, wait until an official release version of Rockbox is made, and use that. 05.00.50 # i'm not giving anyone shit for something not working, i'm saying it should be mentioned that the installer doesn't work on this device. the instructions specifically written for the e200 say you can use the rbutil. 05.01.00 # blistov_: Because many people, including me, can. 05.01.05 # -Can i manually add what is in the patches instead of using a patch? (i know its harder, im just wondering if i can) 05.01.23 # instead of using a patch tool* 05.01.23 # blistov_: And when the next version is uploaded, it'll work fine again, or may have new strange bugs. The manual says "Draft" for a reason. 05.01.25 # Bam2550: of course..that is all a patching program does 05.02.33 # blistov_: If you want to be helpful, compile an SVN version of RBUtil, verify whether it works installing the bootloader on your player since you have one of the problematic ones, and if it does let us know so we can upload a working version. 05.02.35 # blistov_, you can't boot the OF due to a bug we're working on fixing...it's not our fault you decided to try Rockbox while we're fixing the bug. 05.02.54 # thats piss poor documentation skillz. i dig rockbox, but someone needs to either fix the documentation (ie, link to utilities that DO work, or at least mention that a certain utility is live code...) 05.02.55 # blistov_, use v0.2 of sansapatcher and it will work 05.03.11 # keanu, again, i know sansapatcher 0.2 works. 05.03.15 # blistov_: The manual says DRAFT 05.03.15 # i've got everything working. 05.03.24 # blistov_: EVERYTHING is LIVE CODE. 05.03.48 # blistov_, if you want rbutil to work, you're welcome to try to fix it yourself. The source code for it's in SVN. 05.04.24 # blistov_: Now quit complaining about the fact that you missed this fact, one we don't exactly hide, and try to help us fix things by testing the SVN version instead of the somewhat old build and let us know if it solves your problem. 05.04.36 # ... and assuming you're a dev, i won't tell you your method is WRONG, but I will point out that its generally bad practice to point your end user documentation to live code. 05.04.42 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp221-163.adsl.forthnet.gr) 05.04.47 # blistov_: It's NOT END USER DOCUMENTATION 05.04.53 # blistov_: Do you not understand the word "Draft"? 05.05.01 # There are NO END USERS for the Sansa build yet. 05.05.28 # http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-build.html 05.05.33 # there is NOTHING that says draft 05.05.49 # there is nothing that says this is live code. 05.06.13 Quit BonBonTheJon (Remote closed the connection) 05.06.25 # blistov_: One, it says "Current builds" are not release versions. 05.06.28 # Llorean: please see -community 05.06.31 # you don't think an SVn build is live code? 05.06.37 # blistov_: Two, then that's a bug in the HTML version of the manual, because the PDF version clearly says draft on every page. 05.07.08 # blistov_: Guess what: the manual is built from SVN daily, again from live code. 05.07.09 # i mean its not like you download the 2.5 release of rockbox 05.07.46 Nick courtc_ is now known as courtc (n=court@unaffiliated/courtc) 05.07.47 # omg. get someone who isn't a developer to install on their e200. see if they tell you they got the impression that it wasn't supposed to work. i'm done. learn versioning practice, or learn documentation 05.07.50 Part blistov_ 05.08.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.08.18 # problem solved 05.13.04 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 05.15.32 Quit bb (Nick collision from services.) 05.15.37 Join bb_ [0] (n=bb@unaffiliated/bb) 05.19.39 # what do you do when you join the rockbox testing list? 05.20.56 # the testing list? 05.21.16 # I assume you get a set of steak knives - the same thing you get when you join the checking list. 05.21.42 # wha... i didn't get steak knives! 05.21.49 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxTesting 05.22.49 # i wouldnt mind joining that but i want to know what im in for. 05.22.56 # Very little. 05.23.08 # It comes with no obligation. 05.24.03 # ohh, I thought you were referring to a mailing list - see what happens when I assume? You're just pledging your undying love to Bagder, and saying you will make yourself available for testing. 05.24.36 # I'm looking at a .patch file in Dev-C++ and im wondering, does it matter where i add things? Also do i add the parts with the --- and +++ and @@ in the beginning? 05.24.55 # Bam2550, it matters very much 05.25.05 # How do i know where to put it? 05.25.05 # --- means the line is removed, +++ means it's added 05.25.29 # @@ is the line it starts at or near 05.25.53 # @@ -86,6 +86,7 @@ means? 05.26.00 # line 86 05.26.39 # so i add it after line 86? 05.27.13 # nvm found the answer 05.27.13 # well, this really isn't rockbox related anymore, so it's offtopic. i'd google around for "manually applying patches" 05.27.47 # can i just ask one question? Do i need to add the --- and +++ and @@ parts? 05.28.08 # subtract the ----, add the +++ 05.28.32 # so dont put in the --- and keep the +++? 05.28.32 # but don't have +++,---, or @@ in the code itself when you do 05.28.50 # oh i see now 05.29.07 # if your line is "+++ if whatever;" you'd put in the code, "if whatever;" 05.29.48 # if the line is --- if whater" 05.29.54 # then dont even add it? 05.31.27 # no, that's the line you're removing 05.32.05 # Way too confusing, im just going to try to find out how to use cygwin to do it. 05.32.26 Join Drifen [0] (i=aih@lithium.resnet.tamu.edu) 05.33.17 # Anyone has a few minutes to help test a patch? In particular anyone with an iPod with a clickwheel, or an Archos? 05.34.04 # i would if i knew how to work a patch 05.34.46 # sdoyon: what does the patch do? 05.35.42 # It's FS#7774: use a callback to manage voice in lists. Hooked up to menus and option_screen... Not rocket science, but I'd like more testing before committing something like that. 05.36.07 # In particular the hover mechanism from the file browser is revamped. 05.36.25 # Does anyone know how to add a patch with cygwin? 05.36.51 # Bam2550, patch -p0 < patch.diff, if the patch was made right 05.37.01 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@ppp-71-142-14-143.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net) 05.37.09 # and assuming you're in the root of your source directory. 05.37.26 # sdoyon: In your recent keyboard patch, are you using the beep from the "Playback" menu? 05.37.46 # krazykit, what is the root of my souce directory o.0 05.37.49 # Yes. 05.38.11 # Is that beep used anywhere else but in playback? 05.38.13 # Oh did I forget an #ifdef there... 05.38.43 # Bam2550, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches 05.38.52 # i read it over twice 05.38.56 # i dont understand it at all 05.39.04 Quit Toxicity999 (Remote closed the connection) 05.39.18 # Bam2550, the dir that has stuff like apps, bootloader, tools, utils and other directories 05.39.32 # thats the roof of my source directory? 05.39.41 # because thats where the video_menu.patch file is 05.39.47 # root* 05.40.16 # yeah, then if you cd there, you can just run patch -p0 < video_menu.patch 05.41.18 # 1 out of 4 hunks FAILED 05.41.40 # Llorean: no. 05.42.06 # sdoyon: Considering it's in the playback menu, and it's supposed to be the playback beep, why is the beep in the keyboard tied to a playback setting? 05.42.19 # Bam2550, i'm not going to walk you through this one. i've got work to get to, sorry. good luck manually patching that bit, though! 05.42.30 # okay 05.42.34 # i dont even know what a hunk is 05.42.38 # so this will be interesting 05.42.40 # sdoyon: It seems to me either the setting needs to be moved, or the beep should be tied to something else. 05.42.55 # what patch are you using Bam2550? 05.43.03 # Video_patch 05.43.06 # Bam2550, my final hint is, see the file it failed on? there's that file with a .rej that tells you what failed 05.43.11 # fs#? 05.43.51 # Bam2550: do you have the patch number? 05.43.57 # erm hold on 05.44.43 # im not saying this is it but the last time a patch i used had a "hunk failed" the patch needed up dating 05.45.01 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6988 05.45.05 Quit RoC_MasterMind ("Leaving") 05.45.24 # Llorean: You're right I guess. I suppose the two uses don't have much in common, so I wouldn't move the setting. I could either make the beep depend on talk_menus_enabled, or say something instead of beeping. 05.46.39 # that patch seems pretty old. april of 07. 05.47.23 # =\ 05.47.27 # sdoyon: I personally think depending on "talk_menus_enabled" is fine, but I'm not wholly sure how others would feel. 05.48.45 # Bam2550: that patch is also closed 05.48.53 # lol 05.49.30 # Llorean: well... unless you think it would be nice even for sighted users, I think I'll do just that. 05.49.30 # rejected more like it. 05.52.14 # sdoyon: I don't think it's very useful for sighted users, honestly. 05.52.19 # now ill be off to look for another Video menu thing 05.52.24 # sdoyon: At least, not useful without voice enabled. 05.52.42 Quit Bam2550 () 05.53.59 # why cant you just go to the root of the drive and go into your "Video" folder? its the same thing 05.57.06 # oh he left. maybe thats why it was rejected in the first place. 06.02.16 # If I'm adding a function to talk.c, which isn't compiled into the sim, is there a preference between defining a dummy macro in talk.h vs adding a function in uisimulator/common/stubs.c? 06.06.50 Join Reno [0] (i=4c10ea95@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-18062d194d00d42c) 06.09.29 # Hi um... i was here a few hours ago (the guy about the ipod data sheets) i got a question. I just installed the current build for rockbox on my ipod and it works fine except for when i try to save a game (gamboy rom) it says: Data abort at 01F852AC: and it doesn't save? 06.12.50 Join spky [0] (n=lawlrawr@cpe-075-190-168-028.carolina.res.rr.com) 06.12.56 # please help? :) 06.13.01 # :) 06.13.51 # ? 06.15.02 # i can't save the game. 06.15.11 # the gameboy rome 06.17.23 # is someone here? 06.17.28 # be patient and hopefully somebody will see your problem and be ableto help you. not all 133 users are actually here. there loged on but are busy 06.17.37 # oh 06.17.39 # kk 06.17.41 # :) 06.19.52 Quit sdoyon ("ircII EPIC4-2.4 -- Are we there yet?") 06.30.04 Quit Drifen () 06.34.31 # ok guess everyones bussy...i'll try tomarrow. :) 06.34.51 # Bye! :) 06.34.59 Quit Reno ("CGI:IRC") 06.35.47 Part safetydan_ 06.36.02 Quit Isolinear () 06.40.57 Quit lazka (Remote closed the connection) 06.49.52 Quit SirFunk (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.52.48 Join Isolinear [0] (n=A@c-76-105-254-119.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 06.59.44 Join Jon-Kha [0] (i=jon-kha@80-248-247-190.cust.suomicom.fi) 07.04.00 Quit qweru ("moo") 07.04.18 Part Llorean 07.05.57 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.08.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.08.24 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@206-159-155-246.netsync.net) 07.14.42 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 07.24.57 Join Buschel [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3FC3E.dip.t-dialin.net) 07.26.02 # gah 07.29.14 # * amiconn really dislikes it when a committer breaks a target and doesn't even notice it at all 07.29.30 # Which commit? 07.30.09 # sdoyon's keyboard beep 07.30.38 # Ahh.. Well you gotta cut him some slack I guess, he's new. 07.31.05 # Which target? 07.31.21 # we seem to be making people devs quite fast lately.. 07.31.46 # That can be good and bad... 07.32.47 # All the Ondios 07.33.11 # I didn't complain that he caused some red, I did complain that he didn't check the build table and fix it 07.33.20 # There were 2 more commits afterwards 07.33.43 # Also, even though the other archoses are not red, the beep most probably doesn't work 07.35.19 Part ooooooo ("Leaving") 07.36.41 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 07.40.32 # i hate it that you cant set the y position of the progress bar ;[ 07.40.48 # *hate the fact that 07.42.41 # spky: maybe I didn't get what you mean but I think it's possible 07.42.54 # you can set the position from the left 07.42.57 # but not from the top 07.43.06 # it goes by line height as far as i can tell 07.43.42 # %pb|height|leftpos|rightpos| 07.43.46 # no "toppos" 07.43.48 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS#Playlist_Song_Info 07.43.59 # %pb|height|leftpos|rightpos|toppos| 07.44.05 # hmm 07.44.12 # that's not on the help file =\ 07.44.22 # http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildap2.html#x14-237000B.1 07.44.24 # thank you 07.44.26 # i will try that 07.46.07 # nice =] 07.46.18 # wish it was on the docs i was reading ;[ 07.48.36 # sdoyon also forgot the other vkeyboard implementation... 07.49.19 # i really like this rockbox program =] 07.49.35 # the fact that you can skin it is pretty sweet 07.49.55 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 07.50.11 # are there any templates for making your own themes? 07.50.48 # like a psd with guide's n such 07.51.47 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 07.52.30 # spky: not really. there are some in the forums but only for specific themes 07.55.26 # the DocPod Aqua is a nice theme but the font is way too small 07.55.38 # same with alot of the themes 07.56.21 # * Nico_P has to go to class 07.56.45 # spky: there is a docpod aqua modified theme that has bigger font. did you see that one? 07.56.53 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 07.59.32 Part toffe82 08.00.33 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 08.01.36 # I've been working on one to suit my own needs... 08.02.00 Quit Buschel () 08.02.00 # i did not 08.02.01 # Using jBlackGlass as a template. It's not done yet but I'm thinking I might upload it when it's finished. 08.02.07 # i' just edit it 08.02.38 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 08.03.32 # spky: did you use the wiki to look at themes or rockbox-themes.org? 08.03.45 # i used the tool 08.04.27 Join ddalton [0] (n=daniel@203-214-50-20.dyn.iinet.net.au) 08.04.31 # oh. what player do you have? 08.04.45 # ipod gen 5 08.04.49 # 30gig video 08.04.59 # Can I get tracker access so I cqan close tasks? 08.05.54 # http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c25/frequencymodulation/dump071009-225958.jpg 08.07.00 # Isolinear: that looks nice. do you intend to not use patches? 08.07.06 # the cfg would be better if you could have the [option] to set the font for each text line 08.07.34 # spky: you mean miltiple fonts in the wps? 08.07.40 # yeah 08.07.47 # psycho_maniac: Correct. Although scrolling margins would be nice.. :) 08.09.33 # visual eq would be cool on wps too 08.09.44 # good luck with that one 08.09.48 # lol 08.10.33 # The bg I used is from a user on deviantArt, so I'd have to make sure there are no legal issues with it and such. 08.11.12 # you can have multiple fonts on the wps but you have to compile your own build with the patch. 08.11.39 # how do i do that? 08.11.44 # i'm a nub mind yo u 08.11.54 # I like the idea of multifont too, but that patch isn't really mature yet. 08.12.10 # Isolinear: looks nice although might not be on the player itself but the font seems small. but probably just right on the player itself 08.12.46 # i like the size/weight of nimbus-19 08.13.45 # psycho_maniac: I had to compromise... I'd prefer a bigger font for the WPS, but then the menu font would be huge as well... I have a playlist of almost 2000 items and I need to see more than 10 lines on the screen when I'm scrolling... lol 08.13.55 # I hate the Nimbus fonts. 08.14.09 # the font isnt that great, like i said, size/weight 08.14.10 # My WPS uses Verdana, which IMO is easier to read. 08.14.27 # tahoma is nice too 08.14.45 # I agree, but it didn't translate well to Rockbox. 08.14.53 # word 08.14.53 Quit ddalton ("leaving") 08.14.57 # It was jagged and uneven. 08.14.57 Join ddalton [0] (n=daniel@203-214-50-20.dyn.iinet.net.au) 08.15.14 # Bagder: around? 08.15.42 # don't think he is yet ddalton 08.15.49 # he's marked as away 08.17.35 # GodEater: Do you agree that 7738 is good enough for commit? 08.17.45 # not my place to say 08.17.58 # I believe I like it's functionality, and nothing horrific about the code leaps out at me 08.18.02 # how can you tell? 08.18.02 # but jhMikes is the expert there 08.18.16 # ddalton: /whois Bagder 08.18.40 # [Bagder] is away (me rocks boxes elsewhere) 08.18.56 # if 7738 gets committed then i will have no reason to compile my own builds :( 08.19.15 # psycho_maniac: about time you started coding then :) 08.19.38 # psycho_maniac: My thoughts exactly... lol 08.24.48 # has anyone used this patch: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5900?histring=font 08.24.49 # ? 08.25.47 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 08.26.59 # I tried it. I don't like how color and position must be specified. I'd prefer them to be options independant of one another. 08.27.52 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 08.28.31 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 08.30.28 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 08.32.08 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.dsl.t-2.net) 08.37.11 # How can I tell how far through a track is? 08.38.00 # ddalton: the WPS contains features for showing this information, but I've no idea how easy it would be to voice any of them 08.39.12 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 08.39.29 Join RYd3R [0] (n=here@S01060004e2da0484.vc.shawcable.net) 08.39.53 # LinusN: would I be able to get tracker access so I can close tasks? 08.40.26 # Hi guys.. anyone using rockbox on their Sansa e280? 08.40.39 Quit BigBambi (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 08.40.44 # hi LinusN 08.40.50 # amiconn: yo 08.41.03 # Do you have an X5V? 08.41.05 # ddalton: let me check with the others 08.41.10 # amiconn: no i don't 08.41.16 # * GodEater_ loves the way ddalton avoids the pleasantries and just leaps straight in with the questions 08.41.17 # So how could you maintain it? 08.41.41 # amiconn: well, does another developer have one? 08.41.51 # Not that I know of 08.42.00 # that's what i figured 08.42.12 # There are already 2 questions which could only be answered with an *actual* X5V though 08.42.13 # so you've bravely volunteered ;) 08.42.22 # amiconn: like? 08.42.30 # what colour is it? 08.42.32 # GodEater_: exactly 08.42.38 # (1) Does radio detection work? (2) Is the USB PID the same as for the X5? 08.43.19 # i see 08.43.31 # LinusN: who do you need to check with? 08.43.35 # better ask for an x5v owner on the mailing list 08.43.49 # ddalton: the other admins 08.43.55 # also does anyone know how I can get the elapsed time in my code? 08.44.01 # ok 08.44.40 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B16639.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.44.43 # LinusN: Also, as Bagder split targets using the same rockbox build that way, do you think the iPod 1st and 2nd gen should be split as well? 08.45.07 # what are the differences? 08.45.14 # ddalton: I would guess you should look at the WPS code that pulls that information 08.45.33 # GodEater_: I am 08.45.35 Join pondlife [0] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 08.45.50 # Ok.. maybe nobody is running rockbox with Sansa e280 here atm.. but I'll ask the question anyhow.. maybe someone can help.. Everything seems to run ok.. but I try to play mpeg movie or view pictures and it is file not supported.. anyone have an idea? 08.46.14 # actually not just mpeg movie.. any movies.. 08.46.26 # RYd3R: Rockbox only plays mpeg2 movies 08.46.38 # RYd3R: and what format are your pictures ? 08.46.43 # I got the one off the rockbox site so that should work right? 08.46.45 # LinusN: Mechanical wheel vs. touch wheel, no headphone detection vs. headphone detection, and some other subtle hardware differences 08.46.59 # I tried jpeg.. and the converted ones that are bmp 08.47.01 # RYd3R: you mean the elephant's dream one ? 08.47.05 # Yup.. 08.47.11 # Elephant dream 08.47.13 # amiconn: i think you know better than me if they should be split 08.47.15 # I think the differences regarding the main rockbox build are bigger than between e200 and e200R, and those were also split 08.47.22 # * GodEater_ wonders if maybe the Sansa is still awaiting LCD driver code to be written to support mpegplayer 08.48.00 # But I could not play a .mov file that I had with the e280 firmware.. now it will not play with thr rockbox firmware.. 08.48.01 # GodEater: mpegplayer works for quite a while on e200, and since last weekend also on the c200 08.48.08 # COULD..play I meant... 08.48.24 # mov file worked then didn't work after the rockbox install 08.48.48 # RYd3R: you mean you can't play the .mov back in the original firmware ? 08.49.24 # Nope.. I'm gonna try to encode the file again... and then try with original firm too... gimme a sec.. 08.49.46 # I'm lost 08.49.59 # RYd3R: are you saying that even Elephant's dream doesn't work on your player or not ? 08.50.16 # RYd3R: and how old is your rockbox version? 08.50.35 # Elephants dream does NOT work 08.50.53 # I'm not sure.. I just bought the thing like 3 days ago.. 08.51.10 # RYd3R: what, it CAME with Rockbox on it ? 08.51.26 # I can check my firmware in a moment.. just encoding a small video with media converter 08.51.28 # lol 08.51.45 # haha.. would have been a better idea.... 08.51.49 # how does that stop you looking at your player ? 08.52.13 # Oh.. I guess it doesn't... 08.52.28 # LinusN: Btw, the fm and v2 recorders have no maintainer... 08.52.49 # i'll put myself as fmrec/v2 maintainer 08.53.16 # * amiconn is still looking for an fm 08.53.30 # Elephants dream says: Incompatible version and the mov file I just encoded did not work either.. going to try original fireware... 08.54.36 # Is there a certain file structure you should follow with rockbox? 08.54.39 # RYd3R: that sounds to me like you've been upgrading your rockbox install in bits 08.55.03 # like, you've only taken parts of the zip file, and not all of it 08.56.00 # Well. kinda.. I've tried a bunch of different things... quite a few times.. then tried another clean install and Hmm.. haha.. I've tried so many things in 3 days now I don't remember... 08.56.17 # a "clean" install is unnecessary 08.56.30 # What's the best way of starting over..? To make sure I can track the issue? 08.56.33 # just unzip a new rockbox.zip to your player 08.56.47 # and make sure it overwrites ALL older files 08.56.59 # any other method will result in your issue 08.57.21 # Hmm.. ok.. I'll try that right now... 08.57.48 # Yeah.. the video I just encoded works great on the original firm.. 08.57.49 # RYd3R: and don't bother to try to play a MOV file in rockbox 08.58.02 # mov does not work in rockbox? 08.58.10 # until you've converted it anyway 08.58.15 # we just told you, rockbox only plays mpeg2 files 08.58.16 # Oh.. yeah.. 08.58.17 # that's what I said 08.58.37 Join PaulJam [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3008.gwdg.de) 08.59.05 # So what about jpeg files? Do I still need to convert jpeg with the media converter? Or does rockbox handle jpeg files in their native format? 08.59.39 # it handles all jpegs except "progressively encoded" ones IIUC 09.00.06 # Nice.. and they can be read out of the picture OR photo folder? 09.00.20 # they can be read anywhere you bloody like 09.00.30 # Sweet.. 09.00.50 # My original firmware is 01.02.15a 09.01.30 # * GodEater_ wonders if this is relevant 09.02.34 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.02.43 # * scorche spots a few more google pictures and wonders why certain ones havent been published yet... 09.03.52 # Isolinear: what is stopping you from comitting that wps theme? 09.04.15 Quit animeloe ("This computer has gone to sleep") 09.04.24 # s/comitting/uploading 09.04.47 # There's a lot of unused code since I used another theme as a template so I need to clean out everything I don't use. 09.05.07 # Plus I need to check with a couple of deviantArt users to make sure use of their images is ok. 09.05.15 Quit ddalton ("leaving") 09.05.24 # <3 deviantart 09.05.43 # LinusN: Why does docs/MAINTAINERS trigger a rebuild? 09.06.02 # for fun ? 09.06.10 # amiconn: every checkin triggers a rebuild 09.06.28 # and this particular one will probably need to rebuild the credits plugin 09.06.38 # That's not entirely true... manual commits don't, and rbuitl commits neither 09.06.45 # true 09.06.51 # credits uses docs/CREDITS 09.06.55 # trua again 09.07.14 # What if I want to keep the themes... do I have to copy over those folders to? Or can I leave them alone? And better off to extract the themes again.. 09.07.18 # Maybe we need a somewhat more fine-grained check 09.07.35 # is it really that bad? 09.08.06 Quit alienbiker99 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.08.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.08.50 # Well, a useless rebuild comsumes cpu power, delays rebuild for subsequent commits when there are several in quick succession, and increases the risk of hanging builds 09.09.38 # that's very green of you amiconn 09.09.57 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 09.09.57 # ? 09.10.21 # the consumes cpu power bit. 09.10.32 # I assumed you were worrying about Rockbox's carbon footprint 09.10.47 # The build trigger mechanism seems to need some attention anyway; every now and then it misses a commit that *should* trigger a rebuild 09.11.33 Join CaptainSquid [0] (n=Miranda@proxy13.netz.sbs.de) 09.13.04 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-226-143.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 09.13.39 # amiconn: the detection is in tools/svnupcheck.pl 09.15.18 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjorn@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 09.18.39 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.19.36 # Hmm.. you guys ROCK!box... ;) lol! That was the problem.. bits and pieces of everything.... 09.20.26 # RYd3R: I assume you found that your themes are still ok 09.20.40 # Now runs everything... small question that I'm sure has been asked a million times.. the jpeg codec.. ever think there will be a "rotate" button for it? 09.21.51 # RYd3R: there are patches to do this I think 09.21.54 # Yes yes.. themes are good... just didn't replace applicable themes folders.. 09.22.24 # Or really.. I'll have to look into it.. would be nice to rotate the picture wide if was taken that way.. 09.22.39 # how would rockbox know if it was taken that way ? 09.23.29 # No.. not an auto rotate.. but if 'I' wanted to rotate the picture.. 09.24.06 # That's what I had 'meant' to say 09.24.45 # Does anyone have a good and easy mpeg2 convertor to recommend? That can do most file types? Like divx and xvid etc? 09.26.31 Join CaptainSquid83 [0] (n=Miranda@proxy13.netz.sbs.de) 09.26.45 # RYd3R: please see our wiki page on mpegplayer 09.26.51 # we recommend several there 09.27.11 # Oh.. thanks! 09.27.54 # And much thanks for your help... 09.28.02 # np 09.28.07 Quit Chronon ("Leaving") 09.29.09 Join J [0] (n=john@cpc2-mfld9-0-0-cust297.nott.cable.ntl.com) 09.29.30 Join syn4pse [0] (n=syn4pse@cpe-075-176-155-093.sc.res.rr.com) 09.30.37 Quit CaptainSquid (Remote closed the connection) 09.30.42 # would someone look at my copyright/GNU license? I am just wondering if I can copyright my changes to someone else's berkeley license codes. laws are not my forte 09.31.51 # i intend to give it away; i just want to know how to sign the code with my name. 09.34.37 # syn4pse: you can copyright whatever you like - you can't change the license without all copyright holder's permission though 09.35.38 # ok, so it just stays berkeley. is there any reason why i should worry about that? will it interfere with the rockbox license? 09.35.59 # do you mean it's a BSD license ? 09.36.36 # not sure. on his webpage he says the code is in the public domain. 09.37.15 # in his comments he says cpright joe blow, 2000 all rights reserved 09.37.39 # does he have the text of the license somewhere ? 09.38.02 # hmm let me check... one sec 09.39.19 # http://www.adaptive-enterprises.com.au/~d/software/amaze/ 09.39.28 # no file included with tarball 09.39.48 # that's a big vague then 09.40.16 # ah 09.40.30 # the web page is better though I think - if it's in the Public Domain, then I think we can include it 09.40.46 # best check with Bagder / LinusN though 09.40.51 # ok. 09.41.21 # Public Domain does not exist in all jurisdiction. I know it doesn't in europe, anyway. someone always owns a work. 09.41.27 # damn, i've been working on this for over a month, since i'm learning c at the same time. 09.42.00 # what if he's cited? maybe i can contact the guy. he took the idea from a magazine source code that he ported to curses. 09.42.36 # so it's not like the intellectual property is all his, if that matters. but i'm not a lawyer and don't remotely want to be. 09.43.18 # I'd say the best option is to contact him and ask if he can consider licensing his work as GPL. 09.44.05 Join SkinInd95 [0] (n=chatzill@71-217-132-131.hlna.qwest.net) 09.44.36 # amaze looks like the screen saver they had on windows 95 or 98 09.45.27 Quit psycho_maniac (" good byeeeeeeee") 09.51.07 # done. sent him an email. 09.52.05 Join chris00_297245 [0] (n=chris00_@pD95FF22D.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.52.06 # see my naked ex on www.nackte-ex.de.gg he's probably awake since he's an aussie. :D 09.52.23 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 09.52.37 # thanks, guys. 09.52.41 Quit syn4pse ("Time wasted on IRC: 24 minutes 30 seconds") 10.01.02 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 10.06.19 # any other devs has a DS and want to try porting rockbox? 10.10.44 # *tumbleweed* 10.11.14 # / 10.11.35 # - 10.11.54 # \ 10.13.01 # boring target imho 10.14.56 # why boring? 10.15.31 # several reasons: 1) its old 2) not many users will care for rockbox on it 3) no storage to mention 10.16.16 # and its a frigging game thing, I would never buy one 10.16.16 # that makes it a pointless target.. not boring :p 10.16.33 # I think of it as boring 10.16.57 # just expressing my own opinion 10.17.26 # hmm, usb interrupt is fired on the timer irq. don't we know the real usb interrupt? firmware/target/arm/system-pp502x.c:22 10.18.00 Join ddalton [0] (n=daniel@203-214-50-20.dyn.iinet.net.au) 10.18.33 # I guess we don't 10.18.57 # Bagder: well yeah, I would thing it would be more to say we could do it than to be actually useful 10.19.06 # Bagder: Can I have tracker access so I can close tasks? 10.19.11 # sure 10.19.18 # your user name there? 10.19.31 # Bagder: were you talking to me ? 10.19.43 # ddalton: yes, what's your tracker user name? 10.19.45 # ddalton 10.20.23 # ddalton: you now have extra tracker powers, enjoy! 10.20.24 # Bagder it is ddalton 10.20.32 # thank you 10.27.49 # Zagor: I doubt that this is the "real" usb irq 10.28.24 # yeah me too 10.29.30 # This looks to me like a dirty way to check sth every tick 10.29.38 # The proper way would be to use a tick task 10.30.49 Quit RYd3R () 10.33.59 # Who are the RBUtil main men? bluebrother and domoneky ? 10.34.08 # yes 10.37.00 # Just wondered if there was a major reason it didn't support SAPI TTS yet. Probably just needs the options adding? 10.38.17 # According to the wiki SAPI is supported, but I can't see how... guess I'll read the source. 10.43.14 # sorry Llorean 10.44.20 Quit SkinInd95 ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.7/2007091417]") 10.46.07 # GodEater: isn't that a bit... unnecessarily offensive? 10.46.57 # * linuxstb would tend to agree with pixelma 10.47.00 # edited. 10.47.25 # oh sod it - deleted 10.47.37 # he's beyond help though 10.50.03 # http://xkcd.com/293/ 10.50.08 # Pondlife: do you think your patch (you did most of it) And LinusN. is likely to be excepted? 10.50.21 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 10.50.29 # excepted?? Do you mean accepted? 10.50.36 # I think he does 10.50.53 # yeah I probably can't spell :-) 10.51.03 # or maybe :-( 10.51.05 # The two words could mean the opposite of each other in this case ;) 10.51.09 Quit TMM (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.51.27 # It might be, but I'd like to see someone put #ifdefs in for all voice support first. 10.51.44 # Someone said they'd work on that... scorche, I think? 10.52.09 # I'm already concerned at the recent red deltas. 10.52.31 # * amiconn wouldn't like ifdefs for voice 10.52.47 # Pondlife: why do we #if for my patch to be accepted? 10.53.10 # amiconn: It would just allow someone to make a non-voiced build should they wish to save memory 10.53.23 # need 10.53.31 # ddalton: We don't... but I'm concerned it'll be considered bloat. 10.57.00 Join pondlif1 [0] (n=Steve@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust362.winn.cable.ntl.com) 10.57.00 Quit pondlife (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.57.12 # The trigger screen should probably be ifdefed out for hwcodec 10.57.13 Part pondlif1 ("disconnected has pondlife") 10.57.37 # I mean the voice in the trigger screen 10.57.41 Join pondlife [0] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 10.57.59 # Hmm, or perhaps not 10.59.44 # The problem with the trigger screen is that many settings require to be in recording mode, but then voice doesn't work - both on hwcodec and swcodec 11.00.54 # ddalton: Does the patch check voice_menus_enabled() before it speaks? 11.01.15 # why was the vorbis optimization task reopened? 11.01.24 # The gigabeat bug? 11.01.44 # a weird one, that... 11.01.49 # Indeed... 11.03.53 Quit Pyromancer (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.04.27 Join Entasis [0] (n=Jarred@ppp121-45-59-73.lns11.adl2.internode.on.net) 11.04.49 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host75-169-dynamic.11-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 11.08.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.10.51 # scorche: were you interested in the Archos AV340? 11.11.02 # hi, there is a way to prevent the ipod nano from booting the original firmware 11.11.16 # when the usb cable is connected? 11.11.44 # if i connect it when rockbox is running it boots in disk mode and this is ok 11.12.16 # but if it's turned off, and connect the cablem, it boots the apple's firmware 11.12.39 # recreating all those annoying dirs in the filesystem 11.15.36 Quit idnar (Nick collision from services.) 11.15.38 Join idnar_ [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 11.17.55 Quit |Rain| (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.18.15 # http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2007/10/10/rockbox-usb/ 11.18.24 # my write-up of the current situation 11.21.38 Join obo [0] (n=obo@rockbox/developer/obo) 11.22.25 # hmmm 11.22.34 # spiorf: It does so if you have Hold enabled when disconnecting USB. There is no way to prevent that, except taking care to unlock hold before disconnecting USB 11.24.01 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet10.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 11.24.01 # Zagor: when you get usb going, are you planning on being able to use usb as a host instead of just a device? 11.25.56 # JdGordon: my current focus is device mode. 11.26.56 # host mode isn't terribly complex if all we want is copy files, for instance 11.27.06 # ok 11.27.49 # spiorf: You could remove the Apple firmware completely - install the Rockbox bootloader with the command "ipodpatcher -we" (I think...) 11.27.50 # amiconn, i meant some little code-editing to prevent the original firmware from starting at all 11.28.16 # linuxstb, i only care about the disk mode of the original firmware 11.28.24 # it will be kept if i do that? 11.29.02 # Yes. Are you saying that the "emergency disk mode" (the one Rockbox reboots into) also recreates the Apple folder structure? 11.29.22 # no 11.29.30 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b9af6.ucd.ie) 11.29.35 # Inserting USB shouldn't cause Rockbox to start the original Apple firmware, unless you have the hold switch turned on. 11.30.06 # linuxstb, if i put the ipod on the dock while it is off, it starts the original firmware 11.30.32 # With the hold switch off? That's odd... 11.30.51 # Are you _sure_ it's the original firmware, and not the emergency (black and white) disk mode? 11.31.11 # i am _sure_, it asks me the language everytime 11.31.28 # And you're running the official bootloader? 11.31.56 # maybe an old one 11.32.10 # i don't remember the last time i updated the bootloader 11.33.00 # There are possibly patched bootloaders around that start the Apple firmware on the Nano when USB is inserted - the disk mode in the Apple firmware is much faster that the emergency disk mode on the Nano. 11.33.32 # what get_action function do I use to find out what button was pressed? (in the wps) 11.33.44 # what arguments do I need to suply? 11.33.49 # supply 11.34.25 # linuxstb, should i use ipodpatcher from svn or the precompiled one? 11.34.37 # LinusN: do you know? 11.34.53 # spiorf: The precompiled one - it has tested and known-working bootloaders embedded in it. 11.35.13 # does lowlight have commit access? 11.35.23 # Yes 11.37.47 # ddalton: the whole point of the action framework is that you aren't supposed to care which button triggered the action 11.38.17 # LinusN: so what is button = get_action for? 11.38.38 # does someone have an idea how (or if at all) the build table is accessible for sdoyon? 11.38.46 # tha variable name is a remnant from the days where we used button_get() instead 11.39.07 # JdGordon: I have a DS...not sure how worthwhile Rockbox would be on it though. Mine has the option to play mp3's off a microSD, but I've never bothered with it 11.39.10 # linuxstb, it doesn't find the ipod 11.39.11 # pixelma: do you mean the current build page? 11.39.43 # ddalton: the user interface code is based on actions, and the keymaps map buttons to actions 11.39.56 # Anyone know anything about the Nellymoser audio codec? There's now a patch for a decoder in ffmpeg... 11.40.19 # spiorf: Are you running as root/Administrator? 11.40.22 # ddalton: I mean the table behind this link http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi - that tells if there are failed builds/warnings for all the targets after a commit 11.40.30 # linuxstb, yeah 11.40.50 # spiorf: Are you on Linux or Windows? 11.40.57 # linux 11.41.21 Join agm3nt [0] (n=k-o-n-r-@bartek.tu.kielce.pl) 11.41.21 # If you type "fdisk -l", does your ipod appear? (you should be able to tell by the disk capacity) 11.41.42 # ddalton: especially the first one of the two 11.41.55 # linuxstb, yeah it is found 11.42.12 # are we going to release a new sansapatcher now that jhMikeS has fixed the bootloader OF loading? 11.42.22 # Can you post the ipod section of the output to http://pastebin.ca ? 11.42.29 # what does the 0 mean? 11.42.46 # no errors 11.42.46 # ddalton: zero errors or warnings 11.43.07 # linuxstb, http://pastebin.ca/731695 11.43.07 # barrywardell: Are you volunteering? ;) 11.43.15 # looks to be accessible but he is using braille and a linux box. (I hope to be soon) 11.43.30 # what info should I be able to find out there? 11.43.40 # spiorf: Why uba ? 11.44.06 # every usb thing here shows up as /dev/ub* 11.44.10 # LinusN: So how do I detect if a button is being pressed in a function? Fast forwarding 11.44.15 # that is the button 11.44.15 # ipodpatcher should work if you just type "ipodpatcher /dev/uba" - it only looks for sd[a-z] devices. 11.44.28 # Anyone tested the insert next fix at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7898 ? 11.44.31 # I can build them, but only for macos, linux, 64-bit linux. don't know what's involved for windows 11.44.44 # Which Linux distro are you using? 11.45.09 # linuxstb, it seems ot work: should i remove the bootloader and reinstall it, or just install the new one over the old one? 11.45.12 # that question was to both barrywardell and spiorf ;) 11.45.13 # archlinux 11.45.25 # spiorf: You should just be able to install over the top. 11.45.50 # ddalton: it'll tell you if there was something wrong with your commit e.g. if your commit caused errors on one (or more) of the targets, maybe even let the build fail 11.46.01 # is that all? 11.46.18 # barrywardell: Releases should also be tagged in SVN - I added some notes about that on the UsingSVN page 11.46.40 # linuxstb: I have gentoo 64bit and 32 bit 11.47.00 # pixelma: I can tell: -time and date -errors or warnings -player 11.47.02 # barrywardell: On Debian, you install the mingw32 cross-compiler and then do "make sansapatcher.exe" 11.47.09 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 11.47.27 # I also have vista and xp, but no dev environment set up 11.47.29 # sorry to keep bugging you, but now it starts rockbox when connected, but rockbox is freezed 11.47.44 # remember I am on windows though and he is on linux so technology is completely different. But I am pretty sure it should work for him. 11.47.54 # accessible software packages I mean 11.48.06 # it turns light on and off regularly, but cant use menus 11.48.14 # ddalton: we do it by defining an action that uses the REPEAT attribute, so the action event is resent every repeat interval until the button is release, which triggers the ACTION_WPS_STOPSEEK action 11.48.53 # ddalton: thanks for the info 11.48.54 # linuxstb: thanks. I'll look ino it. 11.48.57 # spiorf: Hmm, some people report that - it seems to be a bug that appears and disappears with different Rockbox builds. 11.49.12 # (I don't experience it on my Color though...) 11.49.14 # P#7704 updated. 11.49.24 # ddalton: the actions in question are ACTION_WPS_SEEKFWD, ACTION_WPS_SEEKBACK and ACTION_WPS_STOPSEEK 11.49.28 # delYsid: what was done/ 11.49.31 # ? 11.49.54 # ok linusN I will keep trying :-) 11.49.58 # ddalton: justed synced with svn. 11.50.03 # linuxstb, for now i can live with that, at least i don't have to delete 4 dirs everytime 11.50.16 # delYsid: ok 11.50.25 # ddalton: so you don't need to do anything to detect if the button is still pressed, all you do is wait for the ACTION_WPS_STOPSEEK action 11.50.39 # then you know the seek is done 11.50.40 # linuxstb, thank you for the help 11.50.58 # barrywardell: If you give me the bootloaders, I can build the .exe. Also, don't forget to bump the version number (in main.c) 11.51.19 # LinusN: so that is only executed once you let go of the fast forward button? 11.51.26 # yes 11.52.21 # linuxstb: I'll try getting them to compile myself first, if not I'll take you up on that offer :) 11.53.02 # the wps code traps the SEEKFWD and SEEKBACK actions and calls the ffwd_rew function (which is in gui/gwps-common.c), which waits for the STOPSEEK action 11.54.09 # LinusN: what file is "ACTION_WPS_STOPSEEK " in? 11.54.36 # it is defined in the keymap file, and is trapped in gui/gwps.c 11.54.59 # sorry, trapped in gui/gwps-common.c 11.56.51 # Thanks linusN found it 11.57.43 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54964A22.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.04.05 Quit homielowe (Remote closed the connection) 12.09.08 # linuxstb: do I just bump the bootloaders to 3.0? 12.09.37 # Yes, why not. 12.09.43 Quit donsdw () 12.09.49 # I think we're up to v6 or v7 for the h140 12.10.50 # * JdGordon hopes to have some time to work on the e200r installer tomorow 12.11.05 Join homielowe [0] (n=chatzill@d207-81-67-190.bchsia.telus.net) 12.11.12 # ... that wasntme saying we should hold of releasing a new sansapatcher untill then though 12.11.14 # I am trying to install quilt on to cygwin so I can manage patches more easily. So how do I extract a .tar.tar file in linux? 12.11.42 # JdGordon: The e200r installer is completely independent to sansapatcher 12.11.47 # LinusN: how did you learn where everything is in the rockbox source? 12.11.48 # the same way you'd extract any .tar file 12.12.06 # ddalton: because he wrote lots of it ? 12.12.09 # GodEater_: how do you extract one I don't no the command 12.12.10 # know 12.12.19 # lost of 64-bit warnings in sansapatcher 12.12.21 # linuxstb: yes.. and no... :p 12.12.23 # ddalton: tar xf your_tar_file.tar 12.12.31 # JdGordon: Why no? 12.12.38 # ok he just seems to know just about everything 12.12.50 # thanks 12.13.01 # ddalton: i've been involved in the coding since the beginning of the project, so i've had my hands in almost every file 12.13.14 # linuxstb: well, if it can detect a r from a non r then it could do the whole thing (well, the sending the program across anyway) 12.13.28 # LinusN: ok so what should new comers do? just keep coding? 12.13.39 # ddalton: yes, basically 12.13.44 # and they will hopefully learn all the lay out? 12.13.46 # just keep swimming... just keep swimming... :p 12.14.02 # ddalton: `grep' is your friend if you are looking through source code... 12.14.16 # JdGordon: But (on Windows at least), it requires the user to install libusb - we don't want to make users of non-R Sansas do that. I think it's simpler to just keep it as a separate install utility. (rbutil will eventually incorporate both anyway). 12.14.18 # any suggestions on how to fix these warnings for 64-bit: "format '%08llx' expects type 'long long unsigned int', but argument 3 has type 'loff_t'"? just a cast is ok? 12.14.19 # I know I just need to buy a linux box :-) 12.15.02 # linuxstb: ok, i guess so 12.15.56 # barrywardell: Maybe just remove that output? 12.17.03 # but they're important debug messages 12.17.45 # just leave them as is... 12.18.25 Quit homielowe (Remote closed the connection) 12.34.53 # LinusN: Bootloader versions... that reminds me, what's holding up a new H300 bootloader release? 12.35.03 # Just petur's H380? 12.35.10 # not really 12.35.24 # don't have my sansa's data cable with me. I'll have to leave this until later when I can test it. 12.35.32 # i'm am thinking about removing the charging in the bootloader 12.35.50 # Why would that be? It seems to work fine. 12.35.59 # car adapter mode 12.36.06 # Ah, gotcha 12.36.07 Join digitalspaghetti [0] (n=digitals@host217-37-122-77.in-addr.btopenworld.com) 12.36.24 # is 0 ok in rockbox and 1 an error? 12.36.25 # So it could be put back in when/if we get the EEPROM settings. 12.36.27 # but i need to verify if the player can load rockbox with a flat battery 12.36.45 # I suspect it can't... 12.37.02 # I think I've had that happen on an old bootloader. 12.37.15 # Current SVN is nice from that respect. 12.37.18 # what does return -1 mean? 12.37.22 # an error? 12.37.33 # hey can anyone help, i'm having problems getting my ipod to work correctly in Ubuntu and get rockbox to install. It's my gf's old ipod mini, and it has the name ALEX'S IPOD, mounted at /media/ALEX'S IPOD. I can't find a way to rename it, and I can't get the auto-installer or the patch to recognise it 12.37.34 # ddalton: Depends on the function! 12.37.50 # I also see in the cli patcher, it gives me [ERR] Please connect your ipod and ensure it is in disk mode 12.38.00 # ddalton: Each function has different return codes. 12.38.04 # but i can see it on my desktop 12.38.07 # Pondlife: one I am writing returns int 12.38.46 # Well, if you're writing it, you can define the return codes.. Typically 0 = success though (I think). 12.38.57 # Or return a bool, if it's a true/false type thing 12.39.14 # is there a way to change the mountpoint to just /media/ipod ? 12.41.23 Part agm3nt 12.41.39 # ddalton: we usually return negative numbers on error 12.41.50 # LinusN: ok 12.44.40 # Ahh, ok - figured something out. can someone help here, this is the output of fdisk -l : http://dev.pastemonkey.org/paste/470cacee-ec94-487b-bb21-177c404fdb0d 12.45.21 # when i do ./ipodpatcher /dev/sdg2 i get [ERR] Partition layout is not an ipod and /dev/sdg1 i get [ERR] Bad boot sector signature 12.46.32 # digitalspaghetti: You should do "./ipodpatcher /dev/sdg" 12.46.53 # digitalspaghetti: ipodpatcher doesn't care about the mount point - it just needs the raw "whole disk" device 12.47.20 # ahh, ok - now I get [ERR] Unknown version number in firmware (00000000) 12.47.36 # Does the Apple firmware work? 12.47.55 # yea, it's a working ipod, dunno if it's the latest firmware though 12.48.02 # i just got it today, it's my gf's old one 12.49.42 # That's odd. I would suggest upgrading it to the latest Apple firmware, just to make sure that the firmware partition is in a good state. In Linux, you can do that by following steps 2-4 here - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore 12.50.36 # But I would also be interested in seeing a copy of your firmware partition - you can back it up by doing something like "dd if=/dev/sdg1 | gzip -9 > backup.bin.gz" 12.51.38 Quit davina (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.52.26 # linuxstb, k it's about 20mb, i'll upload it to my server 12.52.38 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.54.28 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B16639.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.55.10 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 12.56.19 Quit SirFunk (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.57.07 # digitalspaghetti: Thanks. 12.57.54 # hmm weird 12.58.08 # the auto installer now auto-recognises my mount point and type of ipod 12.58.17 # but when i then try install, it says no ipod found :/ 12.58.23 # It's probably just cached from the last time you used rbutil. 12.58.33 # (I assume you selected it manually) 12.58.42 # ahh, ok 13.02.46 # hmm, could it be i've picked the wrong generation of ipod? 13.03.02 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@206-159-155-246.netsync.net) 13.03.03 Quit gtkspert (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.03.10 # ipodpatcher doesn't let you pick - it detects automatically. 13.03.24 # ahh, ok 13.03.42 # so it doesn't depend of what .rockbox i've installed on my ipod 13.04.47 # rbutil may use that, but ipodpatcher doesn't. I would suggest just sticking with ipodpatcher - if that doesn't work, rbutil won't either (rbutil uses ipodpatcher, then adds more on top). 13.05.14 # hmm i've got vista on another partition, maybe i should see if I can format the ipod and make sure it's up to date 13.05.43 # Just follow that link I gave you to upgrade the firmware from Linux - it's simply a matter of downloading it, and using dd to write it to /dev/sdg1 13.05.54 # using vista will likely cause you even more problems... 13.08.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.11.54 # linuxstb, http://dev.digitalspaghetti.me.uk/backup.bin.gz 13.12.24 # oh wait, hmm 13.12.49 # ahh, it went into a subdir: http://dev.digitalspaghetti.me.uk/password/backup.bin.gz 13.14.19 # digitalspaghetti: Thanks, downloaded. 13.14.55 Quit Toki (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.14.59 # digitalspaghetti: That's not a mini, that's a 2nd generation Nano... 13.15.27 Join Toxicity999 [0] (n=bryan@unaffiliated/Toxicity999) 13.16.43 # yea, i got the correct firmware for it downloading 13.16.49 # (29.1.1.3) 13.17.07 # Have you read the front page of the Rockbox website? Where it lists the devices Rockbox works on? 13.18.52 # ahh, ok :( 13.19.08 # looks like i'll just have to convert all my oggs then :( 13.19.10 Join anarchoVegan [0] (i=dcf066a5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ea4ca9ac496ce732) 13.19.22 # Hi everyone! 13.20.28 # ohh sound juicer makes acc files 13.21.02 # LinusN: what do I need to do to get svn access? Write good patches and wait? 13.22.42 # does anyone know why my apple partition in my ipod is empty? it worked for a few days but then for some reason everything disapeared from the apple partition so i can't view any videos now :( 13.23.26 # anarchoVegan: You mean that the Apple firmware can't see your videos, or Rockbox can't see any files? 13.23.39 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host75-169-dynamic.11-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 13.23.54 # Apple firmware is completely empty 13.24.09 # anarchoVegan: how would you know ? 13.24.19 # i rebooted into it 13.24.42 # that doesn't mean it's empty 13.24.43 # anarchoVegan: That sounds like an issue with the Apple firmware - Rockbox doesn't touch any of the files used by the Apple firmware. 13.24.50 # but when I go into the ipod_control folder in the ipod on the computer, all the files seem to be there 13.25.12 # although they have letter names like GTPQ AND JDFQ 13.25.15 # ooh ok 13.25.19 # anarchoVegan: find something which will rebuild the iTunesDB on the ipod then 13.25.46 # ok thanks for the advice :D 13.26.10 # umm 13.26.16 # is there a way to do that in Linux? 13.26.48 # I expect gtkpod can do it, but discussion of Apple's firmware is off-topic for #rockbox 13.26.55 # ok 13.27.57 # linuxstb, is the cause of rockbox not working on a 2nd gen nano known? 13.28.19 # i.e. is there a workaround in action, or someone needed to try work it out? 13.28.24 # The "cause" is that it's completely new hardware and no-one has ported Rockbox to it. 13.28.56 # is the svn public for read access? 13.28.59 # Rockbox doesn't work by accident, it takes months/years of hard work to port to a new target. 13.29.38 # Hmm, it'd be good if things did work by accident more often.... 13.29.42 # digitalspaghetti: svn.rockbox.org 13.29.50 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A63A8.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.29.54 # oh of course, i understand, i am a programmer 13.30.04 # but it doesn't hurt to have a look 13.30.15 # I suspect you're a programmer on documented hardware however... 13.30.43 Join gboxx [0] (n=gboxx@77.179.5.57) 13.31.35 # in my day job 13.31.37 Join kugel [0] (i=kugel@e178076027.adsl.alicedsl.de) 13.31.52 # i also know how to read code for non-documented 13.31.57 # digitalspaghetti: without wishing to seem rude - we've had to explain why Rockbox on the 2G is really hard a LOT. Have a look in our forums at the Nano 2G thread for all the reasons. 13.32.11 Join TMM [0] (n=brm@ip565b35da.direct-adsl.nl) 13.32.16 # it contains all the answers 13.32.20 Nick digitalspaghetti is now known as digispag|lunch (n=digitals@host217-37-122-77.in-addr.btopenworld.com) 13.36.18 # would a wiki page to point people too be handy? 13.36.21 Quit safetydan ("Leaving") 13.36.25 # * petur wonders what digitalspaghetti has for lunch. Analog spaghetti? 13.36.26 # s/too/to 13.37.47 Join Toki [0] (n=hsdbvlkb@gateimb.imb.lebedev.ru) 13.38.27 Join webguest08 [0] (i=4db49b93@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a1bf43e6031ee5ba) 13.39.04 Join deuce [0] (i=4db49b93@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-81c45ab29f232a29) 13.39.21 # hi there 13.39.47 # just need a little help 13.40.56 # * pixelma waits for the question... ;) 13.41.20 # ok thank you 13.41.33 # i just installed rockbox on my ipod mini 13.41.47 Join CaptainSquid [0] (n=Miranda@proxy13.netz.sbs.de) 13.41.47 # did anything just like the manual says 13.42.04 # then i connected to my pc again to load some music 13.42.45 # the ipod screen shows an usb plug but the pc did not find it 13.43.11 # now the usb plug does not vanish....and no buttons on my ipod work 13.43.25 Quit webguest08 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 13.44.09 # ok, that happens with some rockbox builds - then you need to reset the Ipod and put it into disk mode manually 13.44.37 # yeah...reset would be menu+select but it does not work 13.44.55 # Oh yes it does 13.45.12 # yes it does now 13.45.15 # im sorry 13.45.32 # i swear it did not before (and i know the funktionality of "hold") 13.46.27 # thanks very much.....could you tell me how i get the disk mode pls 13.46.44 # i know i should look into the manual but it is easier that way 13.46.49 Quit CaptainSquid83 (Remote closed the connection) 13.47.09 # not for us ;) 13.47.31 # yeah ur right 13.47.46 # sorry for the inconvenience and thank you for your help 13.47.55 # but select + play after the reboot itwas I think 13.48.11 # ^^thx 13.48.13 # immediately after 13.48.28 # I'm not even certain that's *in* the manual 13.48.43 Nick digispag|lunch is now known as digitalspaghetti (n=digitals@host217-37-122-77.in-addr.btopenworld.com) 13.48.44 # since we assume a "working" rockbox in the manual 13.48.52 # maybe it's in the Apple manual? :D 13.49.02 # doubt it 13.49.11 # GodEater_ fair enough on your last point, but it doesn't hurt to have a look and see if I can help 13.49.15 # yes now it works 13.49.43 # digitalspaghetti: the forum thread will help you understand why "just having a look" will avail you nothing 13.51.06 # ok everything is fine so thanks again 13.51.23 # have a nice life if we do not meet again^^ 13.52.19 Quit deuce ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 13.52.19 # GodEater: The reset and diskmode combos are in the apple manual for the 1st/2nd gen 13.52.27 # Dunno about later models 13.52.27 Quit anarchoVegan ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 13.52.33 # wasn't in my Video manual 13.54.31 Nick Tanuva|Zzz is now known as Tanuva (n=tanuva@83.220.128.10) 13.54.47 # LinusN: what file displays the elapsed time? 13.54.51 # in the wps 13.55.55 # ddalton: gwps-common.c, the function is surprisingly called draw_progressbar 13.56.05 # if that is what you mean 13.59.23 # LinusN: does this sound something like it? state->id3->elapsed 14.00.31 # ddalton: the code that returns the elapsed time to the WPS parser is in the get_token_value function, in gui/gwps-common.c 14.00.50 # line 785 14.01.58 # Ok thanks 14.02.32 Quit ddalton ("leaving") 14.03.10 Join jba [0] (n=jba@c211-30-160-138.blktn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 14.05.56 Join gtkspert [0] (n=gtkspert@gateless.info) 14.06.16 Join mozuch [0] (n=mozuch@62.141.49.57) 14.11.52 Quit rmf_ ("leaving") 14.13.21 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 14.13.57 Quit pill (Nick collision from services.) 14.14.11 Join pill [0] (i=pill@sloth.shellfx.net) 14.15.29 Join haemmy [0] (n=stefan@194.208.162.140) 14.15.38 Join rmf_ [0] (n=rmf@209.67.252.122) 14.16.16 Quit rmf_ (Client Quit) 14.17.01 Join rmf_ [0] (n=rmf@209.67.252.122) 14.17.41 Join wedgeV [0] (n=erg@cm56-238-229.liwest.at) 14.18.24 # is there a way to boot the original ipod os by default? 14.20.04 # wedgeV: you have of course read the manual 14.20.39 # wedgeV: you have to modify and recompile the bootloader yourself to do that 14.20.45 # thanks 14.20.53 # * GodEater_ misread the question 14.20.56 # sorry 14.22.07 Quit jba ("Leaving") 14.24.25 Join massiveH [0] (n=massiveH@pool-96-234-71-124.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) 14.24.32 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.26.01 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 14.26.08 Part digitalspaghetti 14.28.10 Quit massiveH (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.28.51 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.182.13) 14.30.36 Join Wiwie [0] (n=goddi@86-40-246-103.b-ras2.lmk.limerick.eircom.net) 14.31.48 Quit pill (Nick collision from services.) 14.32.16 Join _pill [0] (i=pill@sloth.shellfx.net) 14.35.43 Quit wedgeV () 14.35.57 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B16639.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.39.34 Quit rmf_ ("leaving") 14.39.38 Join rmf_ [0] (n=rmf@209.67.252.122) 14.47.59 Join wedgeV [0] (n=wedgeV@cm56-238-229.liwest.at) 14.48.48 Quit RaRe ("Quit msgs should be longer.") 14.48.52 # i don't have a build environment setup, can any of you guys build the bootloader for me? (i'll send you the modified ipod.c) 14.50.40 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.51.20 Quit rmf_ ("leaving") 14.51.23 Join rmf_ [0] (n=rmf@209.67.252.122) 14.51.33 Nick bb_ is now known as bb (n=bb@unaffiliated/bb) 14.52.48 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B16639.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.53.58 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@194.219.214.214) 14.56.12 Join RaRe [0] (n=Laffin_B@202-89-187-101.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) 14.57.06 Quit haemmy () 14.58.40 Join ilovegamestah [0] (n=dsdaffsd@121-79-17-53-dsl.ispone.net.au) 14.58.55 # with rockbox can i automatically sync my ipod to itunes like i used to? 14.59.15 # ilovegamestah: yes 14.59.24 # cool 14.59.58 # can i always restore it back to originall ipod formware? 15.00.05 # firmware* 15.00.09 # why would you? you can choose to boot both 15.00.17 # i dont 15.00.25 # oh ok 15.00.27 Quit Wiwie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.00.27 # but yes, should you want to - it's relatively easy 15.00.28 # cool 15.00.57 # The fine manual has uninstall instructions (in the Installation chapter) 15.01.09 # oh ok 15.01.13 # cool 15.01.15 # thanks 15.01.46 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c58-109-97-210.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au) 15.04.33 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 15.05.45 # what do i need to auto install it 15.05.55 # i have download the build i need 15.06.08 # I suggest you read the manual 15.06.27 # yeah it says offical installer 15.06.34 Quit qwm (Remote closed the connection) 15.06.34 # is that on the site? 15.06.45 # it's linked directly from within the manual... 15.06.51 Join qwm [0] (n=qwm@h38n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 15.08.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.15.35 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 15.19.25 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host75-169-dynamic.11-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 15.21.18 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-209-90.student.uu.se) 15.23.55 Join haemmy [0] (n=stefan@194.208.162.140) 15.24.11 Join agm3nt [0] (n=k-o-n-r-@bartek.tu.kielce.pl) 15.27.49 # is it required to have the fonts package? 15.30.44 # it's not neccessary, but the default font is very tiny, so i would recommend installing that too. 15.31.55 # ah ok 15.32.07 # do i just stick in in the .rockbox directory 15.32.39 # the fonts folder that is 15.32.46 # yes 15.32.57 # just extract the zip to the root of your player, it contains the correct directory structure 15.32.57 # unzip it though 15.33.12 # yeah i have done that 15.33.20 # but what about the fotns folder 15.33.29 # does fonts* 15.34.00 # like where does the fonts folder extract to 15.34.04 # .rockbox? 15.34.53 # if you do it correctly, all the .fnt files should be under .rockbox/fonts/ 15.36.23 # yep cool 15.36.26 # thats where i put them 15.37.11 # whats a good font to use for the default theme 15.38.04 # one other thing how do i change themes 15.38.31 # rtm I'd recommend 15.38.44 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54964FE0.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.38.44 # you should have a look at the manual 15.38.58 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007073113]") 15.40.16 Join nicktastic [0] (n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic) 15.41.51 # is there a page with some sweet themes on it somewhere 15.41.58 # the default ones are pretty poxy 15.42.26 # http://www.google.com/search?q=rockbox+themes 15.42.33 # http://www.rockbox-themes.org/ but many of the themes require custom buils 15.44.23 # what do you mean by that 15.44.30 # the build has to be edited to support the theme? 15.45.55 # some features (for example albumart) are not yet available in the official build. so a theme that uses that will not work. 15.46.07 Join oosh [0] (n=goosh@CPE-121-210-245-232.qld.bigpond.net.au) 15.46.25 Join webguest48 [0] (i=cffa902d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-567bbca9c8038420) 15.46.31 # any idea when the 160 gig ipods will be supported? 15.46.57 # quick question . . . do i create a folder called doom in .rockbox and put the wads in there? 15.47.16 # ah ok 15.47.32 # so i can just download the stuff with the theme to maake it work? 15.48.13 # he patches 15.48.14 # the 15.49.03 # oosh: New ipod = new hardware = new port, and there is no-one working on it. 15.49.24 # awesome, cheers 15.49.33 # i might do it this weekend 15.49.43 # you either need to build it yourself with the patches, or you can download an unsupported build which already includes these patches. look in the unsupported builds section in the forum 15.49.43 # I look forward to your patches. 15.50.02 # :) 15.50.07 # ;) 15.50.47 # oosh: Seriously - no sign of it being ported in the forseeable future. Look for different hardware if you want to use Rockbox. 15.51.24 Join animeloe [0] (n=animeloe@unaffiliated/animeloe) 15.51.57 Quit webguest48 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 15.52.19 # yup, understood. thanks dude 15.52.38 # i'll just grab an 80... don't actually have an ipod, just want more storage 15.53.18 # Make sure it's the old 80GB video ipod... 15.53.31 # and not the "classic" 15.53.55 # oh? troulbesome I presume 15.54.25 # Both the 80GB and 160GB ipod classics are troublesome. Rockbox works fine on the older "video ipods". 15.55.00 # thanks for the headsup, i'll hunt down the video 15.55.01 # how do i install patches 15.56.23 # ilovegamestah: Patches are changes to the Rockbox source code. You apply those changes to the source code and compile your own version of Rockbox. See http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers for information about compiling Rockbox and working with patches. 15.58.21 # http://pijulius.blogspot.com/2006/05/jblackglass-rockbox-themes-ipod-video.html 15.58.25 # so say i wanted to install that 15.58.31 # what would it require? 15.59.18 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 16.01.04 # we to get cache flushing working. putting usb buffers in iram is a big waste. 16.01.16 Nick parafin|away is now known as parafin (i=parafin@paraf.in) 16.02.01 # Didn't one of MrH's recent documents describe that? 16.02.29 # maybe. i'll admit I didn't read them all very thoroughly. 16.03.03 # Zagor: iirc jhMikeS has uncached ram access working 16.03.11 Join Crash91 [0] (n=evil91@196.218.80.108) 16.03.26 # excellent! 16.03.33 Part Crash91 16.03.54 # gotta go 16.03.55 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 16.05.17 Quit TMM (Remote closed the connection) 16.06.09 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 16.06.33 Quit Soap (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.06.43 Join seablue [0] (n=s@0x535c1344.banxx3.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) 16.09.12 # i just built a custom bootloader for my ipod, anyone can tell me how to install it? 16.09.38 # "ipodpatcher -a bootloader-ipodname.ipod" 16.11.50 Join mpeccorini [0] (n=mpeccori@mail1.theargusgroup.us) 16.11.59 # thanks 16.12.08 Join ambeok [0] (n=chatzill@91.135.33.186) 16.12.45 Join TMM [0] (n=brm@ip565b35da.direct-adsl.nl) 16.12.47 Join newb [0] (i=c27f0814@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f52c3f695d6f6a8c) 16.13.27 # Quick question: is iPod nano 2th gen (such as MA497LL 8Gb black) supported? 16.13.36 # n1s: hello. Have you seen my remark about the upper limit for the for loop in the midi plugin? 16.13.43 # ambeok: nope 16.13.53 # newb: no 16.13.54 # ok, will it ever be? 16.14.12 # ambeok: it's not impossible, but it has proven very dificult 16.14.23 # thanks! 16.14.29 Quit ambeok (Client Quit) 16.14.41 # n1s: that it may be calculated on each loop iteration (but the compiler might optimize this away) 16.15.17 # n1s: I have not checked whether the compiler really does it 16.15.34 # newb: care to explain a bit more what you have in mind? 16.17.44 # what is a .wps file? 16.17.49 Join scorche|w [0] (n=8dc5049d@ircby.iptel.by) 16.18.31 # ilovegamestah: it's a file that describes how the While Playing Screen should look like 16.18.34 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToWPSMaking 16.18.50 Quit haemmy () 16.19.53 # n1s: in a for loop, an expression is used for the upper bound (BUF_SIZE/...) -- don't remember exactly. I suggested to calculate the upper bound before entering the loop and use the var as the upper bound. 16.20.20 # newb: You mean a loop of the form: for (i=0;i<(BUF_SIZE/...);i++) { } 16.20.34 # newb: aha, I'm pretty sure gcc optimizes that 16.20.36 # linuxstb: yes. 16.20.44 # That's optimisation 101... 16.21.03 # anyway I can test if it makes a difference, thanks 16.21.33 # linuxstb: if you're sure then it's ok. I just don't know what gcc does regarding this 16.21.54 # n1s: just look at the generated asm code 16.22.02 # I'm just assuming - you're right to question it, but it's so common, and appears everywhere in every C program I've ever seen... 16.22.04 # n1s: You can never be sure what gcc optimizes. Sometimes it does clever things, sometimes it's just braindead 16.22.28 # amiconn: very true 16.22.38 # n1s: BTW: I managed to hang my H120 while playing MIDI the other day. Had to use paper clip. 16.23.03 # what di you do to hang it? 16.23.09 # s/di/did 16.23.48 # n1s: I can't remember exactly. I'd provide more details if I did :-/ 16.24.27 # And the fact that gcc optimizes a specific construction on x86 doesn't mean it optimizes the same thing for other architectures 16.24.32 # newb: did it hang when you pressed a button? 16.25.03 # n1s: how is midi supposed to work? If the file can't be played at 100% (too complicated, too many channels, etc.), should it play at a slower speed? Or play at proper speed but with instruments not synchronized? 16.25.16 # n1s: I think yes, but not sure 16.25.26 Quit oosh ("Your mother hangs from my ceiling. Nice and butchered quite appealing. Guts reveal my dead fucked whore. Rotten corpse that I) 16.25.57 # newb: if it can't keep up it will not fill the buffer in time and will play the last buffer again, which it calls a "buffer miss" 16.27.29 # n1s: and how does manifestate audibly? 16.27.40 # *does it 16.28.18 # newb: it will replay about 0.4 seconds of audio 16.28.24 Quit CaptainSquid ("Miranda IM!") 16.28.28 # it is very easy to hear 16.29.13 # how do i know if i have a 64Mb g5 or a standard g5 16.29.16 # ipod 16.29.45 # what is the storage capacity of your ipod? 16.29.56 # 30GB 16.29.58 # n1s: since I have an example where a tone is played much longer than it should. And another example where instruments are not synchronized. Both play well on PC 16.30.09 # then it is not 64MB 16.30.23 # oh ok cheers 16.30.27 # ping: Linus 16.30.49 # bah I meant Linus: ping 16.30.50 # newb when it misses buffers messages will be printed on the display too, but that sounds like a regular bug :-) 16.31.17 # Could someone please review http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/7704?getfile=15065 and add comments to P#7704 if you find anything incorrect with this patch? 16.31.30 # XavierGr: better use "LinusN" 16.31.36 Quit hcs ("Leaving.") 16.31.49 # LinusN: You have an H110 right? 16.31.52 # yes 16.32.58 Join Soap [0] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 16.33.29 # LinusN: Well I was hoping to get the flashable bootloader on it, and I asked Slasheri about it, if I understand correctly in order to enable flashing for H110 we need to enable iriver_flash plugin and define HAVE_EEPROM and HAVE_FLASH (or something like that) 16.33.47 # will you be able to test a firmware file after I get this clear with Slasheri 16.34.02 # sure 16.34.04 # I would do it but I don't think I will be able to unbrick it if something goes wron 16.34.34 # ok thanks I will speak to him again to see if there is something more on it 16.35.48 # then if all goes allright it would be good to see another H1xx bootloader released with the flashing procedure officialy supported 16.36.02 # (on fwpatcher) 16.36.03 # would be nice, yes 16.36.09 # n1s: are you interested in a midi that plays too fast at the start in rb, but plays fine on the pc? 16.36.28 # PaulJam: sure 16.36.31 Quit mpeccorini (" Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 16.36.33 # it's about time to release new bootloaders 16.36.46 # n1s: http://www.dreamtheater.net/midi/surrcomp.mid 16.36.55 # but that won't happen for at least 2 more weeks 16.36.57 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.37.58 # LinusN: all platforms? 16.38.37 # newb: h1xx and h3xx 16.39.07 # LinusN: is there a place to read about the new features? wiki? 16.39.31 # newb: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBoot 16.40.45 Part LinusN 16.40.55 # LinusN: I'm asking since I'm perfectly well with the current bootloader. And updating is a risk. 16.41.04 # Ah, he's left! 16.42.21 Quit Chronon_ ("Leaving") 16.43.20 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.45.38 Part newb 16.48.10 # how can i make it so that when i got to my databse it show up like the original ipod firmware instead of showing the original file names 16.48.11 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.48.21 # like it reads the id3 tags 16.48.56 # The database does display the id3 tags. What exactly are you doing? 16.50.37 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 16.51.16 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 16.52.33 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-069-134-102-044.nc.res.rr.com) 16.55.13 # http://pijulius.blogspot.com/2006/05/jblackglass-rockbox-themes-ipod-video.html 16.55.31 # how come with this it doesnt have the cool icons until you get into the now playing windows 16.56.36 # ilovegamestah: what do you mean, the screenshots of that theme shows no icons in the menu 16.56.46 # liek the battery bar and such 16.56.48 # at the top 16.56.59 # my battery bar isnt like that either 16.57.07 # its right up in the left hand corner 16.57.18 # ilovegamestah: that requires some unsupported build, we don't support unsupported builds here, go ask pijulius 16.57.22 # see the battery bar in the now playing window 16.57.29 # ah ok 16.57.34 # it just isn't possible to modify the statusbar in the menus and browsers 16.57.38 # any good themes for supported builds 16.57.51 # that you know of 16.57.58 # with that sleek kinda look 16.58.19 # not the basic grey backgroud, block text like the defualt 17.00.06 # the basic ipod firware theme is nice and sleek 17.01.31 # tell me what theme do you use 17.01.38 # just so i can have a look at it 17.03.09 # why do people who install RB on their ipods straight away want to turn it BACK into something that looks like the OF?!?! 17.03.16 # if you like it that much, don't install Rockbox!! 17.03.37 Join Levi- [0] (n=Levi@72.10.121.233) 17.03.53 Nick Levi- is now known as Klevi (n=Levi@72.10.121.233) 17.05.01 # propably they dislike the OF because of the lacking features and nod because of the look 17.06.31 # Does anyone know if updateing the original Sansa c200 firware will take out the Rockbox bootloader? 17.06.36 # ilovegamestah: Have you looked at the rockbox-themes.org website? 17.07.14 # Klevi: Yes, it will. The Rockbox bootloader takes the place of the Sansa firmware in the firmware partition. So you'll just need to rerun sansapatcher after upgrading. 17.08.20 # Your sure ill be able to re-run it? 17.08.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.11.04 # No... Which version are you upgrading to? (maybe someone else here can confirm that Rockbox works with it). 17.12.11 # Im not sure.. i just found some Sansa Firmware Upgrade from the main site, however, since im not at home.. I cant run the program to find out. 17.12.23 # My school blocks allot of things being run 17.14.09 # I know that low_light and me for example run different firmwares (mine's rather old 1.00.4F) and his is the latest recommended 1.01.00, I think - he had to implement slightly different routines to make rebooting into the of from running Rockbox work) 17.14.41 # Klevi: the sansa of tells you its version in the system menu IIRC 17.15.59 # the only restriction I know off is that the versions 1.00.5 and 6 disable msc mode so you should avoid those 17.16.16 # I see. Thanks 17.18.17 # For some reason I have problems connecting the USB when theres a Mirco SD card inserted, by the way 17.18.37 Quit Klevi (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.21.41 Join Klevi [0] (n=Levi@72.10.121.233) 17.21.54 # Sorry about that 17.22.50 Join Frazz [0] (n=Fraser@thelawsons.plus.com) 17.23.43 Quit Entasis (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.29.15 Quit Klevi () 17.33.53 # can i make it so that it doesnt take me like 50 scrolls of the scroll wheel to get the volume down or up 17.34.00 # like the original firmware 17.35.41 # well, the OF has far fewer notches on the stick 17.36.28 # yeah 17.36.38 # * pondlife whistles and wonders if someone will commit http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7738 17.36.41 # the scroll wheel settings dont seem to make a difference for me 17.36.48 # like the scrolling size 17.36.58 # it seems the same even after i put it all the way up 17.37.27 # ilovegamestah: those aren't scroll wheel settings 17.37.28 # You might be referring to the scrolling text settings. 17.37.41 # Which are nothing to do with scrollwheels. 17.38.12 # ah ok 17.38.19 # I've heard that patch 7738 improves the scrollwheel on iPods though... GodEater? 17.38.21 # is there anyway to adjust the sesitivity of the scroll wheel 17.38.32 # ah ok 17.39.03 # Is there a way to get a minimum volume setting on poweron. If I accidentally turn volume down very low before power off, I effectively lock myself out of rockbox since I need voice to navigate the menus. 17.39.28 # how does voive actually work 17.39.34 # do you need a microphone 17.39.36 # or what 17.39.39 # im new to this stuff 17.39.58 # ilovegamestah: take a look in the manual 17.40.43 # delYsid: there is a way to set certain settings on boot, don't remember how you do it though... 17.41.00 # delYsid: Yes, set up a config file named fixed.cfg in your .rockbox directory and it'll be applied on boot (IIRC) 17.41.16 Join wizzard [0] (n=wizzard@72.165.34.150) 17.41.33 # thanks, will try. 17.42.04 # I installed rockbox on my IPOD and really like it; I do have a question though - can I just format the IPOD to get rid of all the garbage and then install rockbox? 17.42.38 # wizzard: why not just delete the garbage? 17.42.52 # will that break anything if I delete everything except .rockbox? 17.43.13 # wizzard: it will not break anything rockbox cares about 17.43.30 # as long as you don't delete the hidden partition 17.43.32 # heh 17.43.40 # k 17.43.53 # thx 17.45.00 # what theme you guys like best 17.45.00 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B16639.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.45.07 # i need a nice one with album art 17.45.21 # Rockbox doesn't do album art 17.45.34 # Not without an unsupported patch. 17.45.44 # and you guys dont support that right? 17.45.54 # No. 17.46.00 # it would be a nice feature if it nativley supported that 17.46.05 # though 17.46.07 # We are planning it 17.46.16 # so you code for it do you? 17.46.22 # A little 17.46.25 # ah ok\ 17.46.27 # A very little 17.46.30 # hehehe 17.46.45 # The current album art patch isn't very efficient in it's use of memory. 17.46.59 # ah ok 17.47.01 # can you install custom fonts? 17.47.06 # Yes 17.47.07 # say like ipodwizard 17.47.11 # No idea 17.47.36 # how do i get a windows font to a .fnt file 17.47.46 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CreateFonts might help 17.47.55 Quit wizzard ("Leaving") 17.48.00 # ok cheers mate 17.48.44 # To be honest I've found the font pack gives the best results anyway.. make sure you've got it from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxExtras#Fonts 17.48.56 # yep ive got one of those however 17.49.03 # the fonts kinda look plain 17.49.07 Join toffe82_ [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 17.49.15 # something like a smaller version of the original ipod font would be nice 17.49.25 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.49.31 Nick toffe82_ is now known as toffe82 (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 17.49.31 # Well, converted fonts aren't always that clear, in my limited experience 17.49.36 # ah ok 17.49.38 # i see 17.49.44 # Try it though 17.49.53 # ilovegamestah: aren't the nimbus fonts similar to the ipod font? 17.50.18 # thats what im using now 17.50.21 # kinda 17.50.41 # not exactly 17.51.08 Quit wedgeV () 17.51.10 # another nice feature in the next builds would be the abilty to change the menu battery bars and stuff like that 17.51.33 # if they could be changed i would be in love with this software :), not that i arent already 17.53.01 # ilovegamestah: patches are welcome ;-) 17.53.40 Quit iamben (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.54.24 # Hmm anyone managed to build a SAPI voice under Cygwin recently? 17.54.35 # "Use of uninitialized value in substitution (s///) at /home/Steve/rockbox/tools/voice.pl line 96." 17.55.06 # Looks like I may need to re-install SAPI. 17.56.55 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 18.01.01 # if you will insist on using this dodgy OS of yours.... 18.03.57 Join welly [0] (n=welly@spc1-harg2-0-0-cust896.seac.broadband.ntl.com) 18.04.41 # Nope, it's not the OS, or SAPI... :( 18.07.49 # I was able to build a SAPI5 voice under cygwin on September 22th - had a bit of trouble when I chose a different voice in a build directory with a different voice file already present, a 'make clean' fixed that. Haven't tried since then though 18.08.36 Join chris__ [0] (n=chris@S01060016b649355d.ed.shawcable.net) 18.08.46 Quit billytwowilly (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.13.08 # pixelma: Seems to be ok with MS Mary, but doesn't like LH Michael... both are SAPI5 AFAIK 18.13.17 # does this have support for videos and poscasts? 18.13.28 # like the origibal ipod 18.14.04 # formware 18.14.04 # ilovegamestah, read the manual about video support, and podcasts are just normal music files 18.14.20 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A97EBE.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.14.20 # nah like video podcasts i mean sorry 18.14.48 Join squigtreiba [0] (n=chatzill@p57B8C6B0.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.14.57 # if you convert them to mpeg2 like the documentation says. regardless, you can easily boot into the original firmware to watch them there if you want to use itunes to sync. 18.14.58 # Hmm, reinstalled MS Reader and now it works... 18.16.29 Quit petur ("work->home") 18.18.59 # hi guys 18.19.08 # I can't get rockbox installed for love nor money 18.19.20 # i just tried with the rbutil 18.19.36 # so basically i just use the standard ipod firmware for videos and video podcasts 18.19.56 # it would be easier right 18.19.57 # and when it boots up, it reports 'can't load rockbox.ipod' 18.21.36 # this is on an ipod 80gb 18.22.09 # ilovegamestah, for video related stuff, yes, the original firmware is generally preferable on the ipod. 18.22.16 # welly: sounds like you missed the step about installing the firmware... 18.22.27 # after formating as fat32, i chose the installation tab, clicked on install the bootloader, install rockbox 18.22.27 Join Bam2550 [0] (n=Bill@c-69-249-243-110.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 18.22.33 # pixelma: hmm ok hold on, will check that 18.22.44 # Hello 18.23.02 # welly, you formatted fat32 using itunes? 18.23.16 Quit scorche|w ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 18.23.18 # krazykit: no, using mtools 18.23.46 # What do they mean by "releases"? 18.23.51 # ok, am starting again (using rbutil again!) 18.23.52 # you're running linux, then, welly? 18.23.56 # krazykit: os x 18.24.06 # ah. what instructions did you follow? 18.24.19 # krazykit: this one: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 18.24.27 # hmm... there was something about mtools and especially the 80GB models... 18.24.39 # pixelma: yeah, saw that and i've taken that into account 18.25.08 # maybe i should try the manual installation 18.25.10 # i'll try that now in fact 18.25.50 # welly: did you have a look here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 ? 18.26.29 # pixelma: yep, done that and it's formatted. it's at the installation stage i look to be having a problem. i'm going to go through the manual installation instructions and give that a go 18.26.40 # just reformatting now 18.26.58 Join bertrik [0] (n=Bertrik_@253-022-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 18.31.24 Join Chronon [0] (i=vircuser@d23-104.uoregon.edu) 18.31.44 # Whats the difference between a current build and a release? 18.31.49 Join Wiwie [0] (n=goddi@vpnsh0196.fh-trier.de) 18.32.01 Quit obo ("bye") 18.33.19 # Bam2550, the last release was 2.5. unless you're using one of those players and need something stable, use a current release 18.33.26 # er, current build 18.34.07 # Yeah but what is the difference? 18.35.25 Quit GodEater_ (Connection timed out) 18.36.17 Join scorche|w [0] (n=8dc5049d@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 18.37.28 # Bam2550, 2.5 is rather old and only supports a few players. the current build has all the latest features and such. if you really want more, read this outline: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges 18.38.23 Join Crash91 [0] (n=evil91@196.218.80.108) 18.38.40 # Well i know its old and stuff. But why dont they make the current build into releases? 18.39.07 # because the current build is not release ready 18.39.20 # What does release ready mean? no bugs, ect? 18.39.23 # (among other reasons...) 18.39.37 # No USb support on Sansa for example 18.39.43 Join |Rain| [0] (i=rain@2001:440:eeee:fffb:42:0:0:2) 18.39.54 # a release should be able to replace a FW 18.40.11 # which rockbox isnt able to due to several reasons... 18.40.14 # k 18.42.26 # sweet.. it's installed now 18.43.37 # You know when RockBox starts up with that picture? that says RockBox ect. Is there a way to change that to match the theme 18.43.37 # ? 18.44.11 # Sure, you just have to edit the correct bitmap in the sources and compile your own build 18.44.16 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.44.47 # I have a file on my ipod called ipodControl. Any ideas what this is? 18.45.16 # welly, a folder you mean? 18.45.37 # Chronon, do you have any idea what bitmap it is? or maybe what folder it is in? 18.45.42 # Chronon: oh it could be yeah 18.45.55 # welly, it contains resources used by the Apple firmware 18.46.25 # Chronon: best to keep it then? should I want to go back to the apple firmware 18.46.59 # umm 18.47.00 # Bam2550, there's a bitmap folder that contains the splash screen image. I forget the exact path at the moment. But it's not too hard to find if you check out the source tree. 18.47.05 # welly: that has your music on it 18.47.10 # Welly: im pretty sure 18.47.18 # Bam2550: ok, well i've got no music on this at all at the moment 18.47.23 # Bam2550, i think it's apps/bitmaps/native, or soemthing to that effect 18.47.34 # krazykit, that sounds right 18.47.35 # welly, ipodcontrol holds your music IF you sync via itunes 18.47.44 # krazykit: ok cool 18.48.32 # bbl 18.51.20 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 18.51.41 Nick kclafk is now known as kclaf (i=kclaf@85.95.211.245) 18.51.44 Part pondlife ("disconnected has pondlife") 18.53.41 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 18.57.55 Part welly 18.58.40 Quit Wiwie (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19.01.14 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 19.01.53 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@e179205038.adsl.alicedsl.de) 19.02.00 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 19.03.38 # people...can anyone help me with setting up cygwin/svn in windows 19.03.56 # svn: tortoisesvn 19.05.12 # ok so i install cygwin+tortoise svn and im good to go? 19.05.24 Join ilgufo [0] (n=matteo@host243-158-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 19.06.05 # you can also install subversion as part of cygwin installation, and use both cygwin subversion and tortoise 19.06.24 # ok thanks 19.07.55 # OMG! 19.08.14 # oh, you believe in god? 19.08.15 # microsoft has a private ROAD 19.08.22 # 19.08.23 # Microsoft Corporation 19.08.23 # One Microsoft Way 19.08.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.08.31 # Redmond... 19.08.38 # didnt you know that? 19.08.53 # i knew it was in redmond...didnt know about theyre own street! 19.08.57 Join Diamondiceman200 [0] (i=c35d1528@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6c1d9982dce6b165) 19.09.04 # Hi 19.09.30 # hi 19.09.32 # I wonder if rockbox will work on the new iPod Touch! 19.09.33 # hi Crash91 19.09.37 # many big companies have own roads 19.09.40 # I have the 60gb Video 19.09.46 Nick bertrik is now known as bertrik_shopping (n=Bertrik_@253-022-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 19.10.03 # Diamondiceman200: it doesnt yet 19.10.13 # lol i know, was just saying 19.10.21 Quit Bam2550 () 19.10.24 # okay... ^^ 19.10.28 # I would be keen to put Rockbox on my iPod if the recording function was working 19.10.41 # and if it didn't stutter when usin the equaliser 19.10.47 # many people have asked...the ipod touch requires a huge amount of drivers 19.10.57 # youll need touch screen drivers... 19.11.27 # and rockbox isnt really adapted to touch screen...i mean how many buttons does the damn thing have 19.11.30 # one? 19.11.44 # yes 19.11.46 # for main menu 19.12.08 # -.- apple and their style..everyone is brainwashed honestly... 19.12.10 # Crash91: buttons and touchscreen are small problems compared to the encryption and totally undocumented SOC 19.12.36 # n1s:true... 19.12.48 # soc? 19.13.00 # System-On-a-Chip 19.13.15 # anyway....we would have to redesign the rockbox UI if we even want it to do basic stuff 19.13.17 # aha 19.13.50 # also btw there is a port being developed for the mrobe 500 which has a touchscreen 19.14.11 # oo 19.14.32 # how is it gonna be used...and im confident it has more than ONE button.. 19.15.15 # one could do many things with such touch device, but implementing it alternatively to the current interface would be hard imho 19.15.34 # but the iPod Touch is much too sexy to put down. I held one today 19.16.03 # * Crash91 concurs with Tanuva 19.16.29 # Diamondiceman200: Well is it your friends? 19.16.30 Join bgmrk [0] (n=bgmrk@bas1-toronto48-1279276592.dsl.bell.ca) 19.16.40 Quit Diamondiceman200 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 19.16.46 # hello hello 19.16.51 # Diamondiceman200: i suggest looking at the scratches on the screen after a month... 19.17.00 # hi hi 19.17.21 # so i installed this thing called rockbox 19.17.23 # got it all working 19.17.35 # nething i can add to it? 19.18.02 # what do you mean add? 19.18.05 # like themes? 19.18.45 # a theme adds? just a new gui? 19.20.07 # well looks better... 19.20.17 # kk 19.20.25 # not a "new" gui, but another theme for the existing one 19.20.29 # rockbox-themes.org 19.20.32 # kk 19.21.34 # guys...im installing cygwin....what should i select to download 19.21.58 # these themes only apply to music playing through rockbox? 19.22.18 # no 19.22.24 # you can change the font and icons... 19.22.43 # ok 19.24.01 Quit ilgufo (Nick collision from services.) 19.24.04 Join gufo [0] (n=matteo@host245-190-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 19.24.10 # guys...im installing cygwin....what should i select to download 19.24.37 Nick gufo is now known as ilgufo (n=matteo@host245-190-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 19.25.18 Quit kugel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.26.29 # Crash91: build-related tools would be useful - gcc, make, autotools maybe 19.26.42 # * markun sends greetings from New York 19.26.50 # (though I havent built under windows) 19.27.08 # * Tanuva greets markun from Buxtehude (GER) 19.27.47 Nick bertrik_shopping is now known as bertrik (n=Bertrik_@253-022-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 19.27.56 # markun: extra holiday after gsoc summit? 19.28.20 # how do i decrypt the newer sansa firmware? 1.03.07P... 19.30.20 Nick Tanuva is now known as Tanuva|off (n=tanuva@83.220.128.10) 19.32.20 # crash, please read a bit in the wiki.. those cygwin questions are all already answered in the wiki.. 19.32.40 Quit Isolinear (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.32.41 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B16639.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.32.51 # petur: indeed :) 19.32.53 Join funky_ [0] (n=repulse@81.202.252.240.dyn.user.ono.com) 19.33.02 Nick funky_ is now known as kubrick (n=repulse@81.202.252.240.dyn.user.ono.com) 19.36.26 Join haemmy [0] (n=stefan@194.208.162.140) 19.39.31 # markun: turned out that you all could have met [IDC]Dragon last weekend... (in case you haven't read this night's log yet) 19.41.14 # markun: you should send me some pics so i can put them up on scorche.cleansoap.org/rockbox/gsoc ...i will be putting some pics i find around the net of us up there too 19.41.36 # * scorche|w wasnt happy that he missed the dragon =/ 19.41.49 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 19.42.31 # scorche|w: I'll send them when I get back 19.43.16 # pixelma: didn't read that yet :( 19.43.20 # can anyone please tell me how to install some packages i require for cygwin (i didnt install them the first time around) 19.43.35 Join troxor [0] (n=boyo@unaffiliated/troxor) 19.43.36 # Crash91: re-run setup.exe 19.43.53 # rasher:thank you 19.46.27 # scorche|w: your photos don't load :( 19.46.35 # does anyone have any tips for 'updating' a patch to work with another build? i.e., I'm trying to get the album art patch to apply to svn trunk, but my meager attempts at hacking the patch ranges has proven unsuccessful so far. 19.47.16 # is there usually anything besides manually copy/pasting the changes and re-diffing that the mighty original patch makers do to streamline this? 19.47.27 # Nico_P: they do here....they are just of our aux-in cable :) 19.47.32 # troxor: best is to apply the patch and then manually apply the rej files 19.47.53 # Nico_P: oh yeah, that won't be hard- thanks! 19.47.57 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 19.48.07 # troxor: or to svn up to the rev the patch was made for and then svn up to the current 19.48.34 # that can be easier because svn up will do more work for you than patch and will mark the conflicts for you 19.49.37 # (when I say more work I mean better merging work, so less rejects/conflicts) 19.50.16 # scorche|w: it's strange, the index page loads fine but the pics just don't load 19.51.09 # Nico_P: oh nifty- that's even nicer 19.51.36 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 19.52.48 # Nico_P: Really? I would expect that if a patch fails with current svn, I would get conflicts in exactly the same places with your method -> same amount of fixing 19.53.12 # how come most themes have customised battery bars ect in the now playing window but not on the main menu 19.53.19 # amiconn: no, svn merges a bit better... I experieced it with the langv2 patch 19.53.29 # Strange... 19.53.36 # it was unsyncable with the rejs 19.54.08 # i've seeen people asking questions about gba games...whats the best gba emulator to use? 19.54.10 Quit Crash91 ("Bye Bye!") 19.54.15 # Nico_P: that is a bit strange...as i said, they load fine here which is on my work computer 19.54.32 # scorche|w: I'm probably too far away from your server 19.55.07 Quit barrywardell (Remote closed the connection) 19.55.22 Join Crash91 [0] (n=evil91@196.218.80.108) 19.55.38 Quit ilgufo (Nick collision from services.) 19.55.41 Join gufo [0] (n=matteo@host225-180-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 19.56.18 Nick gufo is now known as ilgufo (n=matteo@host225-180-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 19.57.21 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 19.59.05 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul) 19.59.49 Quit ilgufo (Nick collision from services.) 19.59.52 Join gufo [0] (n=matteo@host225-180-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 20.03.28 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 20.04.45 # * amiconn wonders whether he missed sth 20.05.55 Join TMM_ [0] (n=hp@ip565b35da.direct-adsl.nl) 20.06.12 Quit TMM (Nick collision from services.) 20.06.18 Nick TMM_ is now known as TMM (n=hp@ip565b35da.direct-adsl.nl) 20.06.30 Join Lars_G [0] (n=Lars@unaffiliated/lars-g/x-000001) 20.06.31 Join brm__ [0] (n=brm@ip565b35da.direct-adsl.nl) 20.06.34 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 20.06.41 # Hi all. 20.06.43 Join jaczehack [0] (i=d572f78b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-daa29916f6aab08b) 20.07.15 # Question, what are the red and yellow i've seen mentioned in the svn commits as of late? 20.07.50 Join josh04 [0] (n=josh04@cpc4-stkp5-0-0-cust97.manc.cable.ntl.com) 20.07.59 # Hey 20.08.49 # I compiled from svn last night, and now no themes apart from the default ones work. Is this intentional? I couldn't see any mention of it on the forums. 20.09.04 # Lars_G: Colors in the build table (http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi) indicating failure or warnings during builds. The fact that they're used as commit messages is a mistake if you ask me 20.09.10 Join ilgufo [0] (n=matteo@host247-176-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 20.09.10 # amiconn: what might've you missed ? 20.09.53 # [19:46:27] scorche|w: your photos don't load :( <== I didn't notice an url for those? 20.10.16 # [19:41] markun: you should send me some pics so i can put them up on scorche.cleansoap.org/rockbox/gsoc ...i will be putting some pics i find around the net of us up there too 20.12.08 # Ah, hmm 20.12.23 Join Wiwie [0] (n=goddi@86-40-247-178.b-ras2.lmk.limerick.eircom.net) 20.12.35 # Neither a http:// prefix nor staring with www. - hence the URL grabber didn't mark it as an url 20.13.06 Quit jaczehack ("CGI:IRC") 20.13.07 # same here, not very practical :/ 20.14.53 # The pictures load for me, btw 20.15.01 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 20.15.50 # If text files load via http but larger files don't, it's most often a problem with path mtu discovery (a black hole) 20.17.01 Quit hcs ("Leaving.") 20.18.03 Quit _pill ("changing servers") 20.18.08 Quit kubrick ("leaving") 20.18.18 Quit gufo (Connection timed out) 20.21.37 # ^^^ - and I compiled with the album art patch. Which is probably crucial, now that I think about it. 20.21.53 # you probably need bmpresize as well 20.22.19 # many of the AA themes seem to require both 20.22.37 Join pill [0] (n=pill@sloth.shellfx.net) 20.22.52 Quit ilgufo (Nick collision from services.) 20.22.55 Join gufo [0] (n=matteo@host240-153-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 20.23.37 Quit Chronon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.23.47 Quit josh04 ("leaving") 20.26.36 Join Gnu47 [0] (i=Gnu47@private.ntwk.thita.net) 20.26.39 # ah ok 20.26.39 # rasher: yes, it's kind of vague 20.26.39 Quit Lars_G (Remote closed the connection) 20.27.25 # The commit message should be a description of what's changed with the code, really. "Ooops" or "Fix yellow" doesn't really tell anything when looking back, 2 months from now 20.31.12 # You could check previous commits (by svn revision) 20.31.49 Join jaczehack [0] (i=d572f78b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-88daf60973403159) 20.33.25 Nick haemmy is now known as haemmy|afk (n=stefan@194.208.162.140) 20.33.57 # amiconn: this still doesn't help me figure out what exactly the fix does (it isn't always an obvious typo or such) 20.34.19 # I agree it could be better... 20.36.33 Join ilgufo [0] (n=matteo@host252-181-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 20.36.43 Join thegeek [0] (i=thegeek@s220b.studby.ntnu.no) 20.38.11 # Well it's a minor point. Just something I'd been noticing 20.38.39 Quit ilovegamestah () 20.43.17 Quit ilgufo (Nick collision from services.) 20.43.22 Join gufoo [0] (n=matteo@host160-182-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 20.46.13 # rasher: doesn't the diff speak for itself most of the time ? 20.46.46 Quit jhulst (No route to host) 20.47.07 # Sometimes it does, but still it just seems like a bad practice 20.47.16 # I do agree 20.48.05 # damn, pondlife is never here when I have good news to give him 20.50.03 # * n1s wants good news too :-) 20.50.08 Quit Solskogen (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.50.12 Join Solskogen [0] (n=dizzy@151.85-200-10.bkkb.no) 20.50.13 Quit BrianHV (Remote closed the connection) 20.50.32 # n1s: seeking now really works in my MoB branch 20.50.40 # tested against amarok on the same file 20.50.53 # I do see a 10 sec difference sometimes though 20.51.07 # Nico_P: wow, that must be a major milestone :-D 20.51.30 # so what's left except for loads of testing now? 20.51.35 # n1s: seeking in the buffer isn't, but seeking with prior rebuffering is 20.52.13 # n1s: codec change... also somehow my MPC files only play the first couple of seconds before sikkipng to the next one 20.52.33 # or skipping 20.52.38 # Nico_P: Is your playback.c any clearer than the existing one? 20.52.39 Quit gufo (Connection timed out) 20.52.54 # Nico_P: sounds good :-) keep up the good work 20.53.15 # linuxstb: I don't really know but I assume it is... most of the buffering code is now removed. the basic structure is still the same though 20.55.20 # linuxstb: you can see the diff between my branch and a few revs old SVN here: http://repo.or.cz/w/Rockbox.git?a=treediff;h=mob;hp=master;hb=mob;hpb=master 20.55.22 Join BrianHV [0] (n=bhv1@copland.brianhv.org) 20.55.30 Quit tedrock (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.56.38 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 20.56.41 # Nico_P: "TYPE_ID3" ? ;) 20.57.15 # linuxstb: it holds a struct mp3entry... not my fault :p 20.57.36 # maybe TYPE_META would be better though 20.58.28 Join tedrock [0] (n=tedrock@d235-156-104.home1.cgocable.net) 20.58.37 # linuxstb: btw, maybe you can help me about the seeking... is a 10 secs difference expected on a ~1h long seek in MP3 ? 20.58.53 # difference between rockbox and amarok 20.58.57 # It wouldn't surprise me, but I don't use mp3s. 20.59.44 # Nico_P: which one is correct? 21.01.18 # rasher: I suppose amarok is correct and my code is less precise :) 21.01.39 # You never know. Would be annoying chasing a bug that ends up being in Amarok 21.02.18 # yeah, I won't spend too much tim on it but I'll at least look at how the SVN code does it... I don't use conf_preseek yet 21.03.30 Quit hannesd ("Client suicide") 21.04.05 Quit Wiwie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.05.28 Quit Caliban (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.05.51 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 21.06.06 Join Wiwie [0] (n=goddi@86-41-118-217.b-ras2.lmk.limerick.eircom.net) 21.06.09 Join bobbo [0] (n=bobbo@82-41-58-125.cable.ubr08.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 21.07.35 Join bertrik_ [0] (n=Bertrik_@253-022-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 21.08.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.10.18 Quit Frazz ("Leaving") 21.10.59 Nick idnar_ is now known as idnar (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 21.13.27 Part pixelma 21.13.46 Quit bertrik_ ("off to play RTCW-ET") 21.16.52 Quit spiorf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.16.53 Quit kubiix (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.17.43 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host75-169-dynamic.11-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 21.18.02 # linuxstb: do you know where I can find test tracks of various formats ? 21.18.48 # mplayer has some, let me google... 21.19.06 Quit Wiwie ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 21.19.12 # http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/ 21.19.21 # * linuxstb slaps n1s for being faster 21.19.28 # :-P 21.20.21 # thanks :) 21.21.22 Quit bertrik (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.21.25 # MPC files behaves strangely... for most of them I only get the first couple seconds, but there are some (at least one) that play correctly... could that be related to me not stripping th tags ? 21.24.59 Join Frazz [0] (n=Fraser@thelawsons.plus.com) 21.28.13 Join BigMac [0] (n=me@c-67-189-251-28.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) 21.29.23 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 21.31.13 Quit kubiix (Client Quit) 21.33.31 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 21.39.53 Quit scorche|w ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.41.09 Quit nicktastic ("Leaving") 21.41.19 Join obo [0] (n=obo@rockbox/developer/obo) 21.44.23 Quit haemmy|afk () 21.45.45 Join bertrik [0] (n=Bertrik_@253-022-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 21.46.57 Quit BigMac ("Leaving") 21.52.03 Join Crash91_ [0] (n=evil91@196.218.80.108) 21.56.25 # well codec transitions seem to work quite alright considering it's the first time I try 21.56.41 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@cpe-70-113-103-34.austin.res.rr.com) 22.00.39 Join Shadowrazor [0] (i=HydraIRC@112.189-246-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) 22.01.08 Quit hcs ("Leaving.") 22.01.23 # hi 22.01.44 # hi 22.01.48 # I have a problem with myipod 1st generation 22.02.03 # i've been using rockbox since a year and a half 22.02.08 Nick parafin is now known as parafin|away (i=parafin@paraf.in) 22.02.28 # but now rockbox is constantly crashing after a wihle 22.02.50 # i formatted the drive but that didnt helped me 22.03.27 # is my ipod wore out? 22.04.05 # Rockbox hasn't worked on the 1st generation iPod for a year and a half. 22.04.31 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3008.gwdg.de) 22.04.35 # Support for 1st and 2nd generation iPods were added only recently. 22.04.52 # but what is the difference then between a build of a year and a half ago and a build that was made recently 22.05.04 # ? 22.05.08 # Lots and lots and lots and lots of things 22.05.20 # o srry i meant a ipod nano 1st gen 22.05.35 # Ah, you're probably experiencing the same problem many Nano owners are. 22.05.43 # Unfortunately nobody has solved what exactly the problem is yet. 22.05.47 # :( 22.05.58 # where can i find info about this problem? 22.06.10 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 22.06.55 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7510 22.07.15 # thanks 22.10.30 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 22.10.36 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.11.02 Quit Crash91_ ("Bye Bye!") 22.14.22 Quit bgmrk () 22.21.56 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.25.33 Join Klevi [0] (n=Owner@ool-435682a7.dyn.optonline.net) 22.25.58 # does anyone know the button mappings of Rockboy on the Sansa c200? 22.26.21 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF6F72.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.26.29 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 22.27.19 # Howdy Pixelma, would you know the button mapping of Rockboy on our lovely Sansa? and or how to modify some settings on it so games play better/ 22.27.28 # *? 22.28.00 # haven't tried rockboy so far... 22.28.29 # its slow so far, choppy audio, and NONE of the buttons do anything 22.28.40 # Klevi: Have you tried assigning buttons in the menu? 22.28.53 # Does the c200 have a hold switch? 22.28.59 # I cant access any menu while in game 22.29.02 # yes 22.29.04 # Yes, but its not on 22.29.25 # Try flipping it on and off 22.29.28 # See if that brings up a menu 22.29.55 # No, it doesnt. 22.30.36 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 22.30.42 # humm... I don't see any definitions for that keypad in the .c file... 22.30.53 # lol 22.31.28 # good thing im nerdy enough to play the legend of Zelda on my mp3 player 22.31.38 Quit Frazz ("Leaving") 22.31.47 # Is there a way to change Frameskip settings and or resolution? 22.32.16 # might be my fault... 22.32.38 # Klevi: youre not the only zelda fan here... 22.32.52 # hehe 22.33.06 # Klevi: IIRC there are such settings in the menu... 22.33.15 # pixelma, how do I set them, where are you getting these c files from anyway..? 22.33.29 # and ... stupid question im sure, what does IIRC mean 22.33.40 # if I remember correctly 22.33.54 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcTalk 22.34.27 # lol... thanks =) 22.34.51 # Klevi: you can't just set them, that needs a change in the source code 22.35.20 # pixelma: Well, it needs defaults. 22.35.24 # Rockboy features configurable keys 22.35.31 # is the framework setup for keys to be put it? 22.35.33 # But it's not much good if it doesn't at least boot with a key that gets you into the menu 22.35.37 # *in* 22.35.46 # yes but to do that you need a way to get to the menu first 22.35.57 # :) 22.36.07 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 22.36.33 # I wonder why it even compiled without warnings at all 22.36.57 # the same reason that my radio doesnt like to work with rockbox, no one knows. 22.37.14 Join sin613 [0] (n=single@dormfw.und.edu) 22.39.06 Quit mf0102 ("Verlassend") 22.39.11 # If my logic prevails then, you have a way to map keys from the source code directly, but no way for the user of the game to get to a menu and set them? 22.39.34 Join ashes [0] (n=ashes@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:0:0:0:1) 22.39.34 Quit ashes (Remote closed the connection) 22.39.39 Join ashes [0] (n=ashes@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:0:0:0:1) 22.40.48 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 22.42.17 Quit markun (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.42.24 Join markun [0] (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 22.44.44 Join PaulJam__ [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3001.gwdg.de) 22.44.47 # i have US firmware, an a iriver h340. im english canadian. which of the supported firmware versions would be most suitable for me? 22.44.52 Quit gufoo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.46.26 Quit Toxicity999 (Remote closed the connection) 22.47.15 # Klevi: no, rockboy has user changeable buttons.. but it needs a default keymap.. and as the c200 port is very new.. :-) 22.47.27 # I see. 22.47.41 # Klevi: I'll have a look, hopefully an easy fix. Completely unrelated - did you find out what version your original firmware is? 22.47.52 # Im new, Im surprised people arent biting my head off =D 22.48.06 # oh, uh one second, I forgot to look 22.48.46 Quit Shadowrazor (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Chicks dig it") 22.48.57 # Klevi: we're waiting for you to lower your guard first, then we smack ;-P 22.49.10 # VERSION 01.01.00p 22.49.21 # lol, Badger 22.50.51 # interesting, I thought that's what low_light is running too (though I don't know what the "p" means and if that's important) 22.51.59 # he has the same OF as me, why is my radio giving me problems? 22.52.03 # Bagder: nice blog post about USB :) 22.52.08 Quit jaczehack ("CGI:IRC") 22.52.39 # thanks 22.52.47 # * petur wonders why Zagor didn't offer to mentor ac 22.53.49 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.54.07 # well, then was then and now is now I guess 22.54.28 # ashes: any h300 version, but installing the bootloader will remove DRM from the OF for ever... 22.54.33 # petur: you mean for gsoc? or now? 22.54.39 # gsoc 22.54.40 Join outside [0] (i=nat-021a@82.135.221.171) 22.55.03 # right now you have just taken over ;) 22.55.03 # I simply didn't have the time 22.55.40 # well I haven't actually produced any working code yet... :) 22.55.50 # or released, anyway 22.55.52 # ... and ac has vanished again 22.56.11 # he said he would... school stuff 22.56.16 # ok 22.56.25 # ok 22.56.43 # but he didn't post all the code he said he had 22.56.49 # is there an alternative to running fwpatcher.exe under wine? 22.56.57 # ashes: rbutil 22.57.03 # k 22.57.04 # ashes: Rockbox Utility, I should say 22.58.04 # and, im getting a new battery tommorrow. my current battery dies after about 2 minutes. should i wait until i install the new battery before installing rockbox, or is there no difference? 22.58.58 # That doesn't matter 22.58.59 # Whoah, the rockboy event code is one big mess... 22.59.09 Join Toxicity999 [0] (n=bryan@unaffiliated/Toxicity999) 23.00.49 # ...and it looks like rockboy won't work atm on the following targets where it's compiled for: iPod 1st, 2nd, 3rd gen, Mini 1st gen, probably iFP7xx, and Sansa c200 23.01.27 # ..Roms emulate on the C200 23.01.37 # Why wouldnt it? 23.01.44 Quit Crash91 ("Bye Bye!") 23.01.51 # No button actions mapped 23.02.10 # oh I thought you meant that it literally just wont work at all 23.02.19 # Another problem for playability (not emulation itself) on c200 might be the display resolution 23.02.32 # Yeah, it is really bad xD 23.02.48 # Gameboy is 160*144, while c200 is only 132*80 - quite heavy downscaling 23.02.54 # I was wondering if theres a way to wide screen the display to take up the whole screen? 23.03.01 Quit PaulJam_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.03.40 # That didn't stop us to have an experimental rockboy for archos - at only 112*64, with very few fps due to its slow cpu 23.04.06 # I noticed the sansa is prettty slow on framerate too 23.04.43 # that doesnt make too much sense, though, isnt DOOM heavier on a processor than a gameboy game? 23.04.54 # The c200 has a weird LCD controller hookup that *is* slow - it's in fact surprising that mpeg video runs as nice as it does now 23.05.11 # you can play the video on Mpeg player now/ 23.05.47 Quit ATravelingGeek (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.05.59 # gcc 4.2.2 is out 23.06.06 # anyone seen if it fixes the warnings? 23.06.16 # too bad there's no changelog :-/ 23.06.29 # n1s: There must be a reason why... 23.06.30 # storebror has it now, so I guess we'll see soon enough 23.06.42 # Bagder: Debian unstable? 23.06.45 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 23.06.48 # * amiconn checks his box 23.06.49 # yes 23.07.04 # ok, Mario works, it's a bit tiny but it's playable I'd say and a "simple" rom like that runs quite well 23.07.32 # Klevi: Logically you'd think Doom would require more, but remember that Rockboy isn't just running the games, it's emulating a full set of hardware, whereas Doom is compiled as native code. 23.07.56 # mm true. 23.08.28 # * amiconn upgrades 23.08.30 # nah, warnings remain 23.08.36 # pixelma, you can play it? 23.08.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.08.44 # btw, I need that rom >> lol 23.09.39 # Bagder: I really wonder what's up with those warnings - the pointers are cast to exactly what the function wants 23.09.50 # yes, I've checked it out as well 23.09.57 # Even casting to void* doesn't get rid of them 23.10.03 # really weird how they managed to do a regression on that 23.10.27 # ...but passing NULL cast to the proper pointer format silences them (of course the code won't work then...) 23.10.45 # It almost looks like the cast is basically ignored 23.11.00 # yeps 23.11.16 Quit bobbo ("Leaving") 23.11.24 Quit seablue ("life, death, life, death") 23.11.56 # * amiconn wonders what would happen when a rockbox build would be triggered while a build server is halfway through a dist-upgrade 23.12.08 # :-) 23.12.45 # how come the warnings only appear on some builds and never the same ? different GCC versions ? 23.13.00 Join ATravelingGeek [0] (n=ATG@pdpc/supporter/student/ATravelingGeek) 23.13.02 # yes 23.13.07 # gcc 4.2.x apparently 23.13.27 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 23.13.42 # amiconn: shall I try? ;) 23.14.04 # Too late... 23.15.52 # * obo ponders doing a apt-get install gcc/experimental :) 23.16.34 Quit rasher (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.17.14 Join zajacattack [0] (i=42617032@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c227e2f100e16c3b) 23.19.29 # obo: any luck with piezo? 23.19.56 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 23.20.31 Part Domonoky 23.21.31 # not really, I still can't get a nice click out of it without the timer 23.22.31 Quit gboxx ("Lost terminal") 23.22.33 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@westquad-188-93.reshall.umich.edu) 23.24.56 Join Isolinear [0] (n=A@c-76-105-254-119.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 23.25.02 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.25.02 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 23.27.11 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A63A8.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.34.08 # mm 23.34.52 # the rockbox utility doesn't want to use the US firmware, because it's not installed, i think. it's saying 'couldn't detect firmware type' 23.34.58 # erm 23.35.06 # doesn't want to install the EU firmware 23.37.38 # ashes: it can not even know which firmware version you have on your player 23.37.59 # it should work with EU, whihc bersion are you trying to patch? 23.38.36 Join Kionon [0] (n=Kionon@adsl-074-237-009-202.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) 23.38.45 # i have the H300_V130(eu).zip file, which i want to install over the US version 23.39.17 # so you unzipped that and pointed rbutil to the hex file? 23.39.27 # ah 23.39.34 # i pointed it at the zip 23.39.46 # sorry 23.39.54 Quit Toxicity999 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.40.03 Part agm3nt 23.40.24 # hey, how's the work on e200rpatcher? 23.41.21 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 23.41.47 Join bgmrk [0] (n=bgmrk@bas1-toronto48-1279276592.dsl.bell.ca) 23.41.53 # hey 23.41.59 Quit midgey () 23.42.02 # ho 23.42.06 # zajacattack: slow it seems 23.42.13 # so....i used rock box a long time ago 23.42.35 # and i forget how u plug ur ipod in well in rockbox but still be able to use it 23.42.45 # Bagder: seen my commit for the fd limit on sim ? 23.42.51 # yes 23.42.55 # or commitS should I say 23.43.09 # Bagder: nothing to wrong with the change ? 23.43.17 # s/to/too 23.43.27 # the only minor nit I could think of is that it duplicates the define instead of using the same one, but If figure that might not be too easily done 23.43.40 # which define ? 23.43.46 # the fd limit 23.43.51 Join Toxicity999 [0] (n=bryan@unaffiliated/Toxicity999) 23.44.01 # or did I get that wrong? 23.44.04 # ah yes I thought the same but then saw MAX_PATH was duplicated the same 23.44.17 # and I didn't find a smarter way 23.44.30 # right 23.47.24 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@westquad-188-93.reshall.umich.edu) 23.47.49 Quit midgey (Client Quit) 23.48.32 Join safetydan [0] (i=dc9d468b@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 23.49.02 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 23.50.34 Quit kubiix (Client Quit) 23.52.13 Join insllvn [0] (n=ian@c-65-96-248-89.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 23.52.56 # im getting 'could not copy' error, when installing the boot loader 23.53.24 # it said it installed correctly, so i rebooted the iriver, and saw the US version was still installed 23.53.38 # so i retried, and now it fails to reinstall 23.54.12 Join ddalton [0] (n=daniel@203-214-50-20.dyn.iinet.net.au) 23.54.24 # What variable holds the elapsed time in the wps? 23.54.39 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 23.54.49 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.55.19 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B16639.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.56.22 Part insllvn 23.56.28 # hey, how do you fix the "bulk write error" in e200tool? 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