--- Log for 19.11.107 Server: kubrick.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 12 days and 2 hours ago 00.00.04 # i resample to 8khz first 00.00.56 # preglow: ah, right 8k /me's was off by a factor of 2 00.01.06 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 00.01.28 # the clip speex decoder spits out should be 16khz, though, since it gets qmf_synthed with an upper band of only zeroes 00.01.31 # jmspeex: we do have 64-bit sims but it still won't be 64-bit? 00.02.02 # jhMikeS: Speex no longer needs anything more than 32 bit, so it's irrelevant 00.02.17 # (it used to require 64-bit accumulation somewhere, but no longer) 00.03.39 # jmspeex: btw, do you expect you'll be able to convert vbr encoding to fixed point? 00.03.41 # jhMikeS: btw only long is 64 bit on amd64 00.04.03 # (long long) 00.04.07 # and 00.04.21 # reverse order of the previous 2 00.06.55 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 00.07.01 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 00.07.27 # the seek code is using spx_int64_t which is showing up as long long int. 00.07.47 # the seek code is very poor 00.07.51 # someone who knows ogg should fix that 00.08.00 # I know long is variable...I wrote part of inttypes.c for rockbox :) 00.08.17 # *.h even 00.08.19 # ok :) 00.09.12 # preglow: I'll ignore it for now then 00.11.11 # jhMikeS: the seek code even used to be float... 00.11.28 # at least the SIM won't blow up now when the core codec calls DEBUGF 00.12.28 # preglow: gcc will emulate float when the target CPU doesn't have it? 00.12.41 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet05.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 00.15.16 # jhMikeS: yes 00.21.30 # jhMikeS: now that you had the honour of doing the red delta, i'll chip out of it with small green ones :) 00.21.31 Join bagawk [0] (n=lee@unaffiliated/bagawk) 00.22.13 # pixelma: ping 00.23.17 # preglow: as soon as I receive your patch :-) 00.23.24 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 00.23.25 # jmspeex: if i decode an nb encoded frome with a wb decoder, i should get a 16000 hz frame out with the upper halfband being zero amp, yes? 00.23.37 # yes 00.23.44 # ok, so i'm doing something wrong 00.24.08 # preglow: Theoretically, you'd get slightly better quality using narrowband+resampler than wideband though 00.24.21 # preglow: use TNT if nescessary 00.24.24 # jmspeex: why? 00.24.33 # because the resampler is better at resampling than the wb decoder's QMF 00.24.40 # how many taps is that anyway? 00.24.40 # 64? 00.24.48 # How much difference, though I don't know 00.24.55 # QMF is 64 taps 00.25.10 # but yeah, a resampler of even 64 taps would suck cpu 00.25.16 # so we'll be sticking with this, heh 00.26.07 # preglow: the CPU you spend on resampling isn't spent on the QMF. 00.26.13 # jmspeex: true... 00.26.25 # jmspeex: we'll see, i'm planning on adapting your resampler for our own use anyway 00.26.30 # Overall, the resampler can probably be a bit faster because you can use a shorter filter for the same quality 00.26.41 # adapting? 00.26.41 Quit Robin0800 (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- *I* use it, so it must be good!") 00.26.57 # jmspeex: i has tons of float math 00.26.58 # it 00.27.00 # preglow: Is it better than our linear interpolation thing (I'd expect it to be...) 00.27.07 # amiconn: by leaps and bounds 00.27.12 # amiconn: this one is a proper fir filter based one 00.27.18 # amiconn: LINEAR INTERPOLATION SHOULD DIE DIE DIE! 00.27.34 # amiconn: jmspeex here is a linear interpolation enthusiast 00.27.47 # and it should be a felony to even suggest using linear interpolation for audio 00.27.57 # * preglow goes to jai 00.27.58 # l 00.28.00 Quit Guile`` ("KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'") 00.28.28 Join webguest10 [0] (i=489929dc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c3a8a2e625cdaa01) 00.28.32 # well, some things might require it like SPC where that codec is really CPU hungry. what's the relative expense? 00.28.39 # preglow: Don't pass go now 00.29.06 # im really frustrated i downloaded a few themes and they dont look how they should 00.29.08 # * Shaid takes away $200 from preglow just to be safae. 00.29.13 Quit HellDragon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.29.23 # webguest10: installed the fonts? 00.29.25 # The only reason I wrote this resampler is so that nobody can ever use "but I don't have a resampler with compatible license" as an excuse for using linear interpolation. 00.29.31 # yeah 00.29.35 Join HellDragon [0] (i=jd@unaffiliated/helldragon) 00.29.52 Join webguest39 [0] (i=47b60e83@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-335c6566824cfcf7) 00.29.57 # I'm sure gigabeat can just use the nice fir filter though for everything. 00.29.57 # jhMikeS: any kind of fir filtering will be quite a bit more expensive 00.30.06 # oh, sure, we probably could run c code resampling on that 00.30.08 # mrf 00.30.08 # amiconn: BTW, if you're not convinced, take a 8 kHz file, resampler linearly to 48 kHz and listen to it. Now compare with a properly resampled file. 00.30.10 # coldfire and pp will need asm 00.30.12 Quit lazka (Remote closed the connection) 00.30.18 # webguest10: do they require patched builds? 00.30.20 # jmspeex: he doesn't need convincing 00.30.22 # we'll have to retain the cheap one 00.30.30 # Several things don't have proper dependencies in the build system 00.30.38 Quit nature (Remote closed the connection) 00.30.40 # amiconn: codec libs... 00.30.51 # jmspeex: I *know* that linear inerpolation sounds bad... 00.30.52 # lolhai 00.30.54 # preglow: nice chip of the ol delta 00.31.03 Quit webguest39 (Client Quit) 00.31.04 # preglow: Just asking "Is it better than our linear interpolation thing" made me worried. 00.31.20 # preglow: 'features', lang.h ... 00.31.27 # doing a lengh-8 fir filter in SPC is pretty expensive even with emac 00.31.37 # that's because fir filtering is expensive 00.31.39 # no surprise there 00.32.04 # Well, iiuc the ape filters are fir filters 00.32.07 # amiconn: The resampler I wrote has variable quality. Starting from "worse than SRC fastest, but better than linear, up to slightly better than SRC best" 00.32.19 # jhMikeS: poorest quality filters speex_resample uses is 8 taps 00.32.20 Join porno [0] (n=e_ibarra@189.156.61.145) 00.32.23 # jhMikeS: biggest, 256 00.32.56 # preglow: It's not exactly a number of taps, because it gets multiplied by the resampling factor in some cases. 00.32.58 # jmspeex: it doesn't always do the jos paper style interpolation of sinc window while interpolating, no? 00.33.15 # looked to me like it had to processing modes, pretty much 00.33.28 # while RESAMPLING 00.33.39 Quit webguest10 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.34.09 # preglow: Unlike the jos paper, it 1) does quadratic interpolation and 2) it resamples the resampling filter to make it easy to compute without having to do any rounding operation. 00.34.09 # * preglow sighs at his own english 00.34.36 # jmspeex: yeah, but does it still do one interpolation per filter tap? 00.34.55 # preglow: It's the filter tap number that's variable. 00.35.05 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 00.35.18 # For example, if you do 16 kHz -> 8 kHz, the number of taps is double what you see in the struct. 00.35.26 # right, i read the paper about two-three years ago, can't remember the details 00.35.36 # right 00.35.51 # so the highest quality would actually use 512 taps for 16->8, not 256 00.35.53 Join iamben [0] (n=ben@ppp-70-247-252-134.dsl.spfdmo.swbell.net) 00.36.16 # ouch...nice nice with an ARM multiplier :p 00.36.21 # yeah... 00.36.29 # that's highest quality. 00.36.35 # and if we have to do anything but do a straight access for the filter coef, forget it 00.36.55 # jhMikeS: the imx31 in gigabeat s has a mac unit :) 00.37.21 # n1s: how do you access it? 00.37.50 # The nice thing with my algo unlike jos is that the access pattern is trivial and on "simple" sampling ratios (e.g. 3/4), it's basically a bunch of inner products 00.37.56 # preglow: not sure really haven't looked into it in detail i still refuse to boot windows to try stuff :) 00.37.57 # n1s: don't rub it in :) 00.38.39 # i wonder what the hell the gigabeat s needs an accumulator unit for 00.38.43 # what with its bloody vector fpu 00.38.56 # preglow: any more delta bombs coming? 00.38.59 # jhMikeS: nah 00.39.20 # jhMikeS: i can't be bothered to hack away smaller stuff, i'm looking for big things.i don't like ifdefs too much 00.40.02 # Bagder: h120 seems to be delayed this time... 00.40.12 # why does that happen anyway? 00.40.47 # see the rightmost column in the "log" page 00.40.53 Join nature [0] (n=nature@pool-151-203-92-183.bos.east.verizon.net) 00.40.53 # preglow: perhaps rearranging the source a little to reduce the #? 00.40.54 # Iiuc Bagder tracked it down to barrywardell's server not delivering the zip 00.41.02 # the "delayed" one hasn't been updated 00.41.03 # jhMikeS: makes it harder to sync 00.41.09 # it's already boring to sync 00.41.11 # yeah, barrywardell's server again 00.41.15 # So the build is *actually* delayed, which is bad imo 00.41.27 # yes, it seems it always fail to scp the zips from barry's server 00.41.39 # preglow: sync? I mean just group the functions in one block that shouldn't be there. 00.41.49 # Could you disable target builds on that server for now? 00.42.02 # yes 00.42.29 # There is no partition table for the #G 15 gig on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32, closest is mbr-3g-40gb.bin. Has anyone got mbr-3g-15gb.bin (or whatever its called)? I'd be happy to add it to the wiki. 00.42.41 # * amiconn wonders when all build server owners will have updated their arm-elf-gcc 00.42.41 # #G == 3G 00.42.58 # amiconn: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8075 <- what about this one? 00.43.12 # ender`: arm-elf-gcc update soon? 00.43.20 # jhMikeS: like i said, it'll make my job harder when i need to sync against speex svn 00.43.25 # jhMikeS: anyway, it's not that annoying yet 00.43.28 # ah, yeah 00.43.41 # lostlogic: arm-elf-gcc update soon? 00.44.29 Quit jake_ (Remote closed the connection) 00.44.37 # preglow: I will try the yuv improvements of that patch. Imo the normal update improvement isn't worth going all-asm for the function 00.44.38 # Bagder: which version? 00.44.55 # amiconn: sure, i just don't like obvious stuff rotting in the tracker 00.45.12 # ender`: 4.0.3 still, but the multilib patch. You can just rerun rockboxdev.sh and it'll do it right 00.45.14 # busy rebuilding atm... 00.46.03 # preglow: Voice works without problems on 2nd gen btw (PP5002) 00.46.06 # * jhMikeS wonders how to get espeak working on Debian VMWare without it wanting a bloody kernel update. 00.46.38 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 00.46.44 # or gen using Windows TTS ... 00.46.46 Join billenium_ [0] (n=billeniu@c-69-249-243-110.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 00.47.10 Quit billenium_ (Client Quit) 00.47.23 # i'll build through crossdev, which binutils version? 00.47.33 # 2.16 or 2.17? 00.48.02 # 2.16.1 00.48.10 # ok 00.48.43 # amiconn: nice 00.48.58 # amiconn: remember, i'd urge you to try putting the contents of filters_arm4.S in iram 00.49.27 # no big gains for any of my targets, but pp5002 will probably be very happy 00.49.59 Join webguest79 [0] (i=45ffd379@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-70357e3a052f1b5f) 00.50.36 Quit webguest79 (Client Quit) 00.57.00 # preglow: looked it up, it's SMLA* and SMUL* 16x16 16x32 mac and multipy, saturating add/sub and clz 00.57.31 # n1s: ahh, yeah, those are ordinary arm5 instructions 00.57.35 # and i wish we had them 00.58.07 # ok, gcc compiling 00.58.55 # preglow: are there places that we could do things better with floating point (better precision?) 00.59.07 # s/that/where 00.59.17 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 01.00.03 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-245-31.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 01.00.34 # and done 01.01.09 # n1s: not necessarily better 01.01.10 # n1s: but easier 01.01.21 # sometimes better too, though 01.02.24 Join denstark [0] (n=denstark@d221-91-35.commercial.cgocable.net) 01.02.27 # amiconn: what was the ldm timing again? 2 + n? 01.02.34 # yes 01.03.38 # Hey guys. I'm having an odd problem with Rockbox. I browse through directories, and when I open one it lists nothing. I upgraded to the lastest rockbox just now, and I get the same problem 01.06.02 # denstark: what is your show files setting set to? 01.06.23 # PaulJam: Let me take a look, I assume that is in settings within Rockbox itself? 01.07.14 # PaulJam: Ah, got it. Thank you. For some reason, it was set to playlists only! 01.07.16 # Settings=> General Settings=>File View=>Show Files 01.09.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.13.12 Quit billenium ("Ex-Chat") 01.13.56 Quit porno (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.14.05 # and good night 01.14.33 Quit ender` (" Marriage is not a word, it's a sentence. A life sentence...") 01.16.02 # hmm armv6 can do some parallel fancy stuff too like dual 16x16 mac 01.16.15 # pity nothing is arm6 01.16.21 Quit karashata ("I will *SO* make you regret that... Later... *is a lazy dragon*") 01.16.35 # preglow: the gigabeat s chip is 01.16.51 # it is?? 01.17.11 # that thing has to be the most overspecced thing i've seen 01.17.41 # Well at least the S was *supposed* to be a Media Device 01.17.55 # this is the core it uses http://www.arm.com/products/CPUs/ARM1136JF-S.html 01.18.40 # yeah the F/X with 300MHz of brute force for mp3 decoding was some real overkill, the s does video at least :) 01.19.13 # HD resolution, or what? ;) 01.19.33 # amiconn: it has a tv-out so why not :) 01.20.13 Join Gnu47_ [0] (i=Gnu47@private.ntwk.thita.net) 01.20.31 Quit Gnu47 (Nick collision from services.) 01.20.34 # i never tried it though so i dunno how the of video works but their photo viewer was nice 01.20.43 Nick Gnu47_ is now known as Gnu47 (i=Gnu47@private.ntwk.thita.net) 01.26.31 # The TV-out is only 320x240 still, I think. 01.27.08 # meh, that's no fun to watch on a big screen 01.27.22 # It's no fun to watch on a medium size screen anyway 01.28.08 # voicebox stuff on the ml 01.30.51 Join psycho_maniac [0] (i=psycho_m@ppp166.hk.centurytel.net) 01.30.51 # jmspeex: ouch, speexdec coredumps here when i try to force it to decode an nb file in wb mode 01.33.52 Quit eigma () 01.35.56 Quit petur ("Zzzzz") 01.36.07 # jmspeex: hmm, svn version does not do so 01.38.16 # i wonder what we're doing wrong 01.43.18 # you made a coredumper version? 01.43.41 Quit PaulJam (".") 01.46.32 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.47.55 Quit scorche (Nick collision from services.) 01.48.24 Join scorche [0] (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 01.54.04 # Bagder: You around, and could you manage a couple small webpage changes? 01.54.28 # jhMikeS: our decoder plays nb slower than it should 01.54.31 # god knows why 01.54.38 Join saratoga [0] (i=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-aa2720459c70ab15) 01.54.57 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 01.55.03 Join Seedy [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 01.56.34 # and you said a test one outside SVN does not? 01.56.53 # the zune using that CPU can at least do 720x480 VC-1 01.56.56 # speexdec works correctly if you force wb decoding, though 01.57.00 # so don't know what we do wrong 01.57.44 # which speexdec? the example you send? 01.57.49 # *t 01.57.49 # preglow: Yes, --force-wb used to cause a segfault at some point 01.58.08 Join chris22 [0] (i=451c266d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a53d75abde47a20a) 01.59.05 # jmworx: any idea what we're doing wrong when decoding nb in wb mode when we're getting 50% slower audio than we should out? 01.59.24 Quit nature () 01.59.32 # decoding: what do you mean exactly? 01.59.50 # i'm encoding nb clips and feeding them to a wb decoder 02.00.14 Join matteo [0] (n=matteo@openwrt/developer/matteo) 02.00.15 # speexdec handles it nicely, spits out audio at the correct pitch/speed with zero upper sideband 02.00.28 # preglow: just count frames and samples 02.00.36 # This might not be the correct place to ask, but where do I learn the basics of USB driver programming? I am trying to help with the e200 USB project. I know c++ and C, but I am lost to low level programing 02.00.37 # a 1 second file shoule contain 50 frames 02.00.47 # i have an iPod with ipodlinux. 02.00.47 # each frame should be 320 samples when decoded to wideband 02.01.00 # If you find something other than that, you know where you screwed up 02.01.01 # this is a winpod, with linux on its own partition 02.01.10 # can ipodlinux and rockbox coesist? 02.01.24 # jmworx: yeah, but sb_decode will always spit out the number of samples it's initialized to, won't it? 02.01.28 # rockbox goes on the FAT32 partition IIRC 02.01.43 # and i pass &wb_mode explicitely 02.01.48 # preglow: Yes, but you need to read 320 samples 02.02.04 Part pixelma 02.02.05 # jmworx: yup, in my test decoder it's even a constant 02.02.05 # do you have 50 frames per second in the first place? 02.02.08 # matteo: yes both can be on the same player 02.02.22 # cool 02.02.32 # so I just extract rockbox to the 2nd partition 02.02.46 # to create /.rockbox ? 02.03.06 # preglow: I mean, there's no way Speex will slow things down -- changing the speed is something pretty hard. That means you must have screwed up in a very obvious way (it can't be just a wrong option to Speex for example). 02.03.35 # jmworx: yeah, i kinda figured 02.03.57 # preglow: Just take a 10 second file and count things. 02.03.57 # jmworx: my fault, nevermind, move along 02.04.02 # resampler error 02.04.03 # ignore me 02.04.08 # is r15677 the latest? 02.04.09 Join Seed [0] (n=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 02.04.12 # that's what I thought 02.04.16 # as long as its fat32 why did you partition it? 02.04.33 # i didn't partitioned it 02.04.48 # i mean the partition with music 02.05.21 # jmworx: that was it, yes 02.05.24 # just extract it to the root of the player. 02.06.45 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 02.06.53 Quit atsea- (Remote closed the connection) 02.10.12 # * preglow has a 500kb voice file :> 02.11.20 # * preglow has a 200kb voice file :> 02.11.28 # how great. 02.12.42 # 200kb and still sounding as good as the old voices? 02.13.04 # hell no 02.13.06 # it sounds like crap 02.13.10 # but it's perfectly legible 02.13.17 # at least for most clips :> 02.13.54 Quit psycho_maniac (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Wibbly Wobbly IRC") 02.14.15 # nb -q1 ? 02.15.17 # preglow: Well, at least it means voice can work on very lowmem targets, as long as they have a decent processor 02.17.30 Quit Seedy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.17.36 # amiconn: -n -q 0 -c 10 02.19.02 # testing without -n 02.21.24 # pretty please 02.21.31 # why does roloing rombox.iriver hang my h120? 02.21.42 # there's got to be a way of not having that happen 02.22.14 # Why are you doing that? :> 02.22.14 Join nature [0] (n=nature@c-65-96-126-24.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 02.22.18 # amiconn: mistake 02.22.27 # amiconn: had hard reset 02.22.35 # btw, -q 0 -c 10 is 400kb 02.22.42 # completely decent, but a fair bit of distortion 02.23.08 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.24.57 Quit chris22 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.27.02 # do we want /utils/ /manual/ and /rbutil/ in the tarballs? 02.27.08 # (they aren't there now) 02.27.35 # hmm 02.28.33 # flash/ and gdb/ is 02.30.30 Quit moos ("Rockbox rules the DAP world") 02.30.34 Quit barrywardell () 02.31.18 Join dubious` [0] (n=hgf@ppp-71-139-206-134.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) 02.31.19 Quit dubious` (Remote closed the connection) 02.31.24 Join dubious` [0] (n=hgf@ppp-71-139-206-134.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) 02.32.14 # so has anyone made a line in cable for 5.5? 02.32.49 # yes 02.32.53 # I've made many. 02.33.05 # is there any instructions on the net? 02.33.35 # Depends on what information you have, and what you need. 02.34.12 # i just need to record live music with a new 5.5 02.34.24 # perhaps a batery pack too 02.34.34 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet06.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 02.34.56 # battery pack is fairly simple 02.35.06 # No, depends on what you need as far as instructions. You've told me very little. I don't know if you need help aquiring the parts, if you need help figuring out what pin is what, or if you need help with basic soldering skills. 02.35.44 # um instuctions 02.37.11 # i guess id buy a dock connecting cable, rip it appact and attach a 3.5 and a small batery with circurty from hack a day? 02.37.43 # 1) buy connector, line jack, cable 2) solder 3) ? 4) profit! 02.37.56 Join billenium [0] (n=billeniu@c-69-249-243-110.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 02.38.16 # you won't find a commercial cable with the line-in pins pre wired if you were thinking it would be as easy as using existing wires in an existing cable. 02.38.34 # i figured 02.38.54 # and that slderings gonna be hard cause its so small 02.39.05 # http://ipodlinux.org/Dock_Connector 02.39.12 # should lead you to all you need. 02.39.35 # thx 02.42.01 Join psycho_maniac [0] (i=psycho_m@ppp502.hk.centurytel.net) 02.42.29 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 02.42.35 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 02.43.03 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 02.43.29 Join Seed [0] (n=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 02.45.03 Join ivan [0] (i=ivan@ool-182eff48.dyn.optonline.net) 02.48.02 # ImageSearch, tx, ty, 380, 270, 650, 310, D:\DofusBot\Waypoints\Various\Done.bmp 02.48.02 # msgbox % ErrorLevel 02.48.08 # gah 02.48.12 # sorry about that 02.53.39 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 02.54.05 Join Seed [0] (n=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 02.58.12 # linuxstb: if your around.... i found another semi annoying bug with running the e200 bootloader instead of the OF one.. it starts up even if hold is on 03.04.02 Join LinuxMafia [0] (n=awatt@CPE001346a4c4cb-CM00159a642d7e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 03.04.05 # hi all 03.04.15 Part ivan 03.04.39 # any one knows how can i convert to mpeg with mencoder ? 03.04.59 Quit Soap_ () 03.07.57 # LinuxMafia: look at the PluginMpegplayer page on the wiki: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer 03.08.18 # hcs thanks alot 03.08.35 Quit nature (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.09.15 # LinuxMafia: note that the manual would also have provided you the same link 03.09.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.09.55 # hcs, i did not know it has how to encode 03.10.25 # LinuxMafia: the manual does not have encoding instructions, but it does have the link to the wiki that I gave you 03.10.46 # hcs, the problem is i want every thing fast , :-( 03.11.09 # hcs , i am in Ruby tutorial reading , :-( 03.13.08 # hcs, thanks alot 03.17.23 Quit mdevz (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.20.30 Quit scorche (Connection timed out) 03.20.59 Quit jmspeex (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.24.08 Join eigma [0] (i=eigma@216.48.162.210) 03.24.18 # ladies and gentlemen -- we have audio output on the m:robe! 03.24.24 Quit LinuxMafia (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.24.53 # it's a deafening 1 khz high-pitched whine.. but I can hear it :D 03.25.02 # eigma: congrats 03.26.08 # WOOOOHOOOO! 03.26.41 # :D 03.27.20 Quit matteo ("ketamine: it's not just for horses") 03.27.42 # congratulations! 03.29.09 # rasher: is FILES case sensitive? 03.29.59 # n1s: did I mess up? 03.30.14 # spc/Sources 03.30.27 # ah yes 03.30.33 # that won't work 03.30.36 # Why doesn't the tarball creation script just check out a current SVN source, remove the .svn folders, and tarball that up? 03.30.37 # and indeed it doesn't 03.30.54 # Llorean: it's supposed to work for everyone - not just the buildserver 03.31.14 # I don't understand quite what you mean 03.31.18 # Llorean: because it's supposed to be independent of svn (I can't say i understand why though 03.31.40 # Llorean: say I have a modified tree -- I should still be able to build a tarball out of that with the script 03.32.01 # Aaaah 03.32.04 # I had this exact same chat with Bagder a while ago. He might be able to explain better 03.32.10 # No, I got it now 03.32.20 # For distributing sources of modified builds, etc, too. 03.32.43 # I wonder if anyone uses that ability or if we just maintain (sort of) those lists for fun 03.33.08 # I use it for my sims. But those aren't modified, so I might as well just link to rockbox.org I guess 03.35.50 Join scorche [0] (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 03.35.52 Join nature [0] (n=nature@c-65-96-126-24.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 03.36.56 Join TFGBD [0] (i=TFGBD@c-69-253-232-198.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 03.38.29 # on the latest firmware and bootloader i am getting the "battery empty RECHARGE restarting" error, even when I am plugged in to the wall. Any ideas? I am on a 15gig 3rd gen ipod. 03.39.20 Join jmspeex [0] (n=jmspeex@142.163.233.220.exetel.com.au) 03.40.26 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 03.47.03 Quit DerPapst ("So Long And Thanks For All The Fish!") 03.47.21 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 03.52.16 Join advcomp2019 [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 03.57.09 Join joshin [0] (n=josh@unaffiliated/joshin) 04.01.05 Quit krazykit (Remote closed the connection) 04.06.25 Part denstark 04.09.04 Join Echelon [0] (i=ryan@tinfoilhat.net) 04.10.28 Quit roxfan (Connection reset by peer) 04.12.23 Join krazykit [0] (n=krazykit@adsl-76-240-200-149.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net) 04.16.44 Quit woodensoul () 04.18.59 Join roxfan [0] (n=dunno@82.186-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) 04.19.57 Join Administrator [0] (n=chatzill@68.161.224.151) 04.20.57 Nick Administrator is now known as Davide-NYC (n=chatzill@68.161.224.151) 04.23.16 # Hello all, long time no speak. I see that speex is now supported. Is there an encoder? If not is one the owrks? I'm not familiar with speex but would have use for it especially the noise suppression and echo reduction feature I read about. 04.23.40 # *works 04.23.53 # Davide-NYC: yes speex has an encoder 04.23.57 # oh wait 04.24.04 # no, there's no recording support in Rockbox for speex 04.24.11 # * safetydan is a bit slow 04.24.23 # Davide-NYC: I think preglow's working encoder support in rockbox 04.24.26 # I think preglow or jhMikeS might be looking at it 04.25.05 # am I understanding correctly that speex will apply noise reduction and echo reduction at the recording stage? 04.29.21 # I Isolated my error (I hope you don't mind if I leave one of you to do the bug report, Ive already spent way too long on this). I only get the "Battery empty! RECHARGE! shutting down" phenomenon on r15679. r15654 and everything before it boot without battery worries. every after 15613 broke for other reasons though, so i am using r15613 from the 14th. I guess I just picked an unlucky day to update. Once again, I'm on a 3rd gen ipod 04.30.16 # for the record, according to the speex.org site the echo canceler included included but (as of now) a denoiser is not. 04.30.32 # nature: got cut off at "3rd gen ipo" 04.31.12 # ipo became ipod. after that I just said "Thanks! for all your work!" 04.31.39 # Davide-NYC: iiuc thos sound like recording filters that should not have anything to do with the format... 04.32.11 # n1s: please clarify 04.33.34 # Davide-NYC: a filter removing echo or noise could (again iiuc) be applied to any audio before it was encoded and so should not depend on which format you encode to 04.34.32 # from what I'm reading on the speex site (which is why I'm so curious about this format) the denoiser and the echo remover are part of the actual codec 04.34.54 # Which makes sense since it's a format not designed for overall audio preservation, but very specific intended uses. 04.35.09 # So certain filters can also make it easier to compress, I assume 04.35.14 Part TFGBD 04.35.46 # Davide-NYC: all i am saying is that i see no reason for those functions not to work for all recording format if someone implements or ports them to rockbox 04.36.09 # Exactly. Currently, for recorded meetings, I have to grab a piece of background noise (usually HVAC) and generate a noise signature, which I then remove. It's a pain. 04.37.02 Quit japc (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.37.10 # Davide-NYC: and btw encoding is pretty cpu intensive so unless those filters are implemented very efficiently it will not be possible to do while encoding to all formats 04.37.25 # Davide-NYC: AEC and denoise are in the same package, but independent from the code 04.37.27 # codec 04.37.48 # jmworx: now I understand. Thanks. 04.38.17 # is the denoise any good? I mean, is it intelligent enough? 04.38.55 # jmworx: do you think it will be possible to make encoding speex and applying those filters work in realtime on our targets? 04.39.16 # coldfire in particular (for me at least) 04.39.27 # n1s: yes 04.40.09 # would it be possible to implement the AEC and denoise as 'recording plugins', useable with any codec? 04.40.35 # Davide-NYC: the denoiser doesn't generally increase intelligibility because the human brain is almost always better than any algorithm you can come up with. However, it makes the audio *sound* better. 04.41.04 # I use denoise (in Audacity) when I find it hard to hear a quiet speaker. 04.42.04 # I also normalize either before or after when necessary, use compression, etc. 04.42.04 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.42.08 # Davide-NYC: You can try the Speex denoiser easily from speexenc (just use a high quality level just to remove any effect Speex might have). 04.42.20 Part radinp 04.42.29 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF6932.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.42.30 # I'll give that a shot. 04.43.12 # Davide-NYC: Actually, the Speex denoiser has an "aggressiveness" tuning where you can trade in noise for distortion. It's not available from speexenc though 04.44.13 # I honestly doubt it would be intelligent enough for my purposes. Imagine 7 voices all very different in both level and tone with an HVAC hum in the background. 04.44.44 # I doubt I'd use it unless it really did work very well. 04.46.54 # To the Rockbox community (especially the developers) I want to thank you again for such an excellent firmware. 04.46.58 # Cheers! 04.47.07 Quit Davide-NYC ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.9/2007102514]") 04.55.00 Join jpt9 [0] (n=chatzill@eevee-15.dynamic.rpi.edu) 04.55.09 # does rockbox have any sort of onboard ID3 tag editor? 04.55.11 # it'd be useful. 04.55.22 # it does not. 04.56.15 # it'd be neat if you could just go to track info and hit a button to edit the selected field. 04.58.15 Join criznach [0] (n=criznach@host-69-145-134-192.grf-mt.client.bresnan.net) 04.58.20 Quit xaNz ("Leaving") 04.58.29 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.59.28 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c210-49-113-143.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 05.03.33 # jpt9: it would also be quite complicated and text input on those devices isn't that great... 05.04.18 # I am however quite sure that we would accept a good tag editing plugin :) 05.05.02 # there is one in the tracker but i think it's abandoned and supported only id3v1 05.06.02 # of course the text input sucks... 05.06.06 # but it lets you rename files. 05.06.10 # and there's a text editor. 05.06.54 # yes it's entirely possible to make this plugin but it will be slow to input the text. 05.07.30 # it would be useful to correct small errors in tags (or possibly enter new ones for a file or two)... 05.07.51 Join ord [0] (n=qwm@h38n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 05.08.02 Quit nature (Remote closed the connection) 05.08.04 # start writting a plugin jpt9 :) 05.08.30 # yeah it could be useful, I'm just a little realistic at 5am 05.09.07 # okay... 05.09.08 # it would be useful yes, but imo a computer is easier/faster 05.09.15 # realistic is not a reasonable critereon. 05.09.18 # (sp?) 05.09.24 # there's a fractal renderer. 05.09.27 # and a gameboy emulator. 05.09.39 Join animeloe [0] (n=animeloe@unaffiliated/animeloe) 05.09.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.09.50 # "shutdown if hold is on in the non-ipod-pp target bootloaders" ... what does that mean for 'switch hold to reset settings' then? 05.09.51 # and a ZX Spectrum emulator!!! 05.09.58 # which has a keyboard! 05.10.03 # jpt9: whats your point? 05.10.19 # a gameboy has what 8 buttons, an computer keyboard, about 105, your dap 8~10 maybe... 05.10.33 # how about the ZX Spectrum? 05.11.15 # PaulPosition: The settings reset doesn't happen in the bootloader. 05.12.48 # what does that commit mean anyways? if you put the hold button to "on" on your player it will shut off? 05.13.12 # only when it's turned on 05.13.24 # when it's starting 05.13.34 # * n1s stops typing now :) 05.13.47 # oh ok. i understand 05.14.00 Quit animeloe (Client Quit) 05.14.34 # Ah.. So there are targets where the hold button didn't intercept/block the power-on action? 05.14.55 # (ie, iRiver would flash a padlock if I tried that) 05.16.09 Quit n1s () 05.16.50 # PaulPosition: you talking about my commit? 05.17.17 Join animeloe [0] (n=animeloe@unaffiliated/animeloe) 05.17.48 # Well I was asking about it, yes. 05.18.06 Quit animeloe (Client Quit) 05.18.22 # JdGordon - but not demanding. I'm just a bit curious about things. :/ 05.18.32 # the problem happened when the e200 bootloader was replaced with a rockbox bootloader... 05.19.00 # the OF bootloader checked for the hold switch not rockbox.. so that needed fixing 05.19.16 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.19.21 Nick ord is now known as qwm (n=qwm@h38n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 05.20.54 # JdGordon - Okay... What will happen, now, with the wakeup-alarm on, say, h10 ? And how much time would someone wait before flippin' the hold switch if one wanted to reset settings? 05.21.26 # as soon as it comes on you can flip the switch... 05.21.37 # if its too early it will shutdown... 05.22.11 # Generally speaking, say/think "one" and then you're okay. :-P 05.22.47 # Okay, so when the screen starts showing stuff, bootloader has pretty much finished his stuff? 05.22.57 # yes 05.22.58 Join DM| [0] (n=dm@cpe-65-24-163-189.columbus.res.rr.com) 05.23.32 # On the iPods at least, the best time is probably right after the backlight comes on, I believe 05.23.33 # That's good enough. Just wondered because I happen to offer "reset settings" a lot as solution for trivial things on forums such as misticriver :D 05.24.49 # thanks :) I'll still have to test the alarm with hold on, to see what happens. And maybe amend the manual (?) If I can find in me the clairvoyance to write good english. 05.25.15 # alarm+hold wouldn't work well anyway 05.25.24 # You'd get cleared settings, right? 05.25.34 # Now it just won't boot up, less destructive I'd say 05.25.52 # Good thing you mention it, that makes a whole lot of sense. 05.26.10 # I doubt playback would start on the cleared settings one anyway, though I'm not _certain_ about that. 05.26.39 # So in one case it'd be : (before) dap turns on, clear settings, nothing happens (no song to resume) - (after) nothing happens. 05.26.47 # The after is better indeed. :D 05.26.48 # I think so. 05.27.13 # Before *might* have been "clear settings, resume playback with default wps" as I'm not sure whether clearing settings would happen before or after it attempted to resume. 05.27.22 # yes, clearning settings definatly disabled reusming playbacl 05.27.35 # I know it'd disable a start screen of the WPS, but is the alarm handled in the same place? 05.28.31 # yay, back up to manufac mode 05.28.44 # Llorean - I think so, there's no "browse to alarm song" sort of thing, it just plays the last song before the poweroff. 05.29.10 # depends on the default value for global_settings.alarm_wake_up_screen 05.29.27 # but even then... the resume info is cleared also 05.29.32 # so it would say nothing to play 05.29.36 # Ah 05.29.41 # Didn't know clearing settings removed nvram 05.30.00 # * JdGordon is pretty sure it does 05.30.14 # yeah it would.. nvram settings are reset to their defaults 05.30.19 # Gotcha 05.30.24 # Well then, definitely better this way 05.30.32 # Nothing lost, and it wouldn't have woken you in the first place 05.31.09 # lol... Too true. Well, god bless irc for sparing me a "me stupid" moment on the forums. 05.36.18 Join Guerin [0] (n=lewis@121-73-1-241.cable.telstraclear.net) 05.36.25 # hey hey 05.36.39 # i had rockbox on my x5l and the battery life was measured in minutes,m not hours 05.37.06 # Guerin: Did you run a proper battery bench? 05.37.18 # Llorean: no, just ordinary usage 05.37.18 # Guerin - You mean what rockbox showed or what you got out of it and measured yourself 05.37.36 # Guerin: Rockbox uses less battery power than the original firmware under similar playback conditions. 05.37.44 # PaulPosition: it would die due to low batter after 30m-3h 05.38.16 # Llorean: yes, I've read that, since it underclocks the cpu when not in use 05.38.31 # Testing has repeatedly confirmed this, time and again. 05.38.51 # what I wonder is whether I needed to tweak down the drive seek settings - I'm reluctant to go too low for fear of parking the hdd too frequently 05.38.53 # Try running a full battery benchmark and finding out the voltage range your player is crossing over time. 05.39.10 # Guerin: Have you changed it from the default? 05.39.23 # Llorean: I had not, no. 05.39.33 # Then it shouldn't be a problem. 05.39.39 # Are you using a recent, official build? 05.39.39 # Anyone suggest a nice and pretty theme that works with daily builds? 05.39.53 # the other thing is that I was using a prebuilt rockbox, not one I'd built myself from cvs or svn or whatever you use 05.40.02 # Anybody ever ran the GBSYSTEM.zip files on the GigabeatFXPort page? I'm wondering how risky that is 05.40.06 # Guerin: Downloaded from rockbox.org? 05.40.18 # You don't have to build it yourself, but if it's not the officially built version, you shouldn't be asking about it here 05.40.18 # DM|: what player? 05.40.29 # ipod 30gb 5g Video, sorry 05.40.39 # There are many things other people put in their builds that can have averse affects on battery life, or introduce bugs such as shutting down when the battery isn't really too low yet... 05.41.14 # psycho_maniac: They work fine. 05.41.21 # Llorean: OK, so the binmaries on rockbox.org are considered sane? 05.41.25 # they usually say if they need patches or not. go to www.rockbox-themes.org. that one is easier to see a theme needs patches or not 05.41.38 # Guerin: The binaries on Rockbox.org are considered "The only ones we provide support for" 05.41.53 # We refuse to be responsible for any changes other people might've made. 05.42.05 # psycho_maniac well mos the ones on there load up with text in the wrong spot, or text that is garble 05.42.17 # do you use patches? 05.42.42 # no 05.42.43 # load up where? on the site or on the player? 05.42.43 # DM| - And they also tell you whether they're safe to use with svn builds or if they need a custom one. 05.43.07 # PaulPosition Im using ones that say i can use with daily builds 05.43.43 # Llorean: perfectly rational. What (other than the battery benchmark) should I be looking at if it continues to die out? I have used two separate batteries - the original x5l set (used ~1 year, then in storage ~18 months), and a replacement (brand new) OEM 1100mAh 05.43.56 # more or less identical battery life between them, which is frightening 05.44.39 # also, both seem to only charge up to ~4.05v, whereas if they're 4.2v nominal they should go to at least that level, no? 05.44.40 # DM| - That's weird. Wish I could test some for you and see for myself but I don't have an ipod. :( 05.44.47 # When you take a battery bench, it'll show the voltages at each time it records, you can ask other people with good working ones and see how their voltages compare 05.45.51 # Guerin - How old is your build, by the way? (If you're going the battery-bench way, might as well do it with the most current build) 05.45.57 # is it possible to run a battery bench of any sort on the original firmware for comparison? 05.46.25 # PaulPosition: tbh, I did it several months ago and don't recall how old the build was 05.47.07 # Guerin - Except playing songs and 'giving an ear every 30 minutes' or so, I don't think there's any way to benchmark OF. 05.47.27 # PaulPosition: ok. 05.49.24 # Guerin - I can't say for your specific target, but sometimes things break and are corrected soon after.. If you were really unlucky maybe you downloaded a 'crippled' build that one time..(?) There are about a dozen commits a day and some of them sometimes have to be 'reverted' so who knows? 05.49.42 # right, that's cetainly possible 05.50.04 # it seems charging up to only just above 4v is normal, though 05.50.22 # and about 3.5-3.6v is shutdown time 05.52.11 # so, I should be using a daily, or which? 05.53.29 # "current build" is what the doctor usually orders.. ;) 05.53.54 # right-o 05.54.03 # thank you 05.54.26 # Guerin - If you do the benchmark, you can compare with Bernard K.'s benchmark which is linked to on this wikipage : http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IAudioRuntime 06.01.01 Join monsterb [0] (n=monsterb@dem1382-138-174.ppp.netnitco.net) 06.05.04 Quit monsterb (Remote closed the connection) 06.05.10 Quit jpt9 ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.9/2007102514]") 06.08.13 Join sarixe [0] (n=sarixe@ool-435403e9.dyn.optonline.net) 06.14.36 Quit sarixe ("(EE) Failed to load "quit" module") 06.19.11 Quit criznach ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.9/2007102514]") 06.27.49 Quit psycho_maniac (" I love my HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 06.29.53 Join animeloe [0] (n=animeloe@unaffiliated/animeloe) 06.31.07 Quit zicho (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.32.55 # Someone should unlock http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=11504.165 and link people to the patch so we can get some testers. 06.33.57 Quit joshin (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 06.34.00 # There is a patched recent build at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7510#comment19668 06.35.24 # How do you clear rockboxes' database? 06.37.46 Quit hcs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.39.06 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@ppp-71-130-79-72.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net) 06.43.23 Quit DM| ("*bashes head against keyboard*") 06.44.33 Quit scorche (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- It'll be on slashdot one day...") 06.49.10 Join animeloe_ [0] (n=animeloe@unaffiliated/animeloe) 06.51.54 Join Fardel [0] (n=macsmo@h-69-3-204-248.sfldmidn.dynamic.covad.net) 06.52.02 # Yo 06.52.12 # Can someone help me out with installing rockbox? 06.52.31 # only if you tell us what device and what you're having problems with, of course 06.52.46 # Alright, i've got an 80GB I pod. 06.52.52 # And my problem is with the bootloader 06.53.23 # what's the problem, specifically? 06.53.54 # I've ran it, and it starts fine, I type in "i", it starts working, and then it says.. "Write Failed 06.54.05 # I've ran it, and it starts fine, I type in "i", it starts working, and then it says.. 06.54.15 # [ERR] Write failed 06.54.21 # : No error 06.54.30 # do you have administrator rights? 06.54.34 # [ERR] Image movement failed. 06.54.35 # Yes 06.54.44 # [ERR] --install failed. 06.54.52 # Press ENTER to exit ipodpatcher 06.54.56 # right, got that. 06.55.03 # what OS? 06.55.10 # I've tried it with .rockbox (Unzipped) in my I pod, and out of my I pod 06.56.39 # Oh, windows. 06.56.47 # xp? vista? 06.56.51 # XP. 06.57.32 Join webguest61 [0] (i=7cb85a3e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9b948d346778a0c1) 06.57.55 # Fardel, which 80gb ipod 06.58.14 # Video 06.58.42 # Hi is there anyone working on the Gigabeat S port at the moment? 06.59.21 Quit animeloe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.59.32 # webguest61: yes there are 2 persons really working on it 07.03.04 Join DM| [0] (n=dm@cpe-65-24-163-189.columbus.res.rr.com) 07.03.05 # Any idea of what might be going wrong? 07.03.41 # Anyone know how to clear the rockbox database? i have duplicated songs on there but Those songs ( backup folder on the ipod) was deleted 07.05.09 # DM|, delete the .idx files in .rockbox 07.05.16 # thanks 07.05.39 Quit eigma (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 07.06.15 # krazykit uh.. there are no idx files 07.06.32 # maybe that isn't the extension. 07.06.42 # you mean the databae_X files? 07.06.47 # yes 07.06.48 # cd? 07.06.51 # tcd* 07.07.02 # yeah, that's the one 07.07.26 # not sure why i thought idx. 07.07.37 # database_idx.tcd was a file 07.07.49 # that'd be why, probably :P 07.08.07 # thanks much ! 07.09.20 # woot 07.09.23 Quit DM| ("*bashes head against keyboard*") 07.09.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.10.20 # Do you know what I should do? 07.10.56 # i would follow the step again 07.11.18 # And unzip the rockbox.zip file into my Ipod? 07.11.35 Join scorche [0] (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 07.13.28 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.13.50 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF6932.dip.t-dialin.net) 07.14.38 Join webguest16 [0] (i=42d07bf0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a665ccfe12e6a6c4) 07.14.38 Quit webguest61 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 07.15.03 # hello 07.16.18 Quit webguest16 (Client Quit) 07.17.54 # Alright, I did it all again, and it didn't work. 07.18.54 # Just does the same thing 07.21.11 # Is there anything else I can do to make this work? 07.29.53 Quit animeloe_ ("Leaving") 07.34.08 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 07.41.12 Part Fardel 07.43.00 Join ddalton [0] (n=daniel@203-217-71-105.dyn.iinet.net.au) 07.43.30 Quit ddalton ("leaving") 07.45.08 Quit dubious` () 07.47.09 Join animeloe [0] (n=animeloe@unaffiliated/animeloe) 07.48.51 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 07.51.06 Quit scorche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.56.16 Join scorche [0] (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 08.01.01 Join animeloe_ [0] (n=animeloe@unaffiliated/animeloe) 08.02.09 Join TiMiD[FD] [0] (n=TiMiD[FD@210.169.80.68) 08.02.15 # hello 08.03.23 # I was wondering if someone see an objection to the renaming of the "recorder" and "player" folders into the app/ dir to something more appropriate to the fact that rockbox is now a little more multiplatform 08.05.38 Join ddalton_ [0] (n=Daniel@203-217-71-105.dyn.iinet.net.au) 08.05.51 # can someone help me here with setting my path? 08.06.13 # nhm ? 08.06.46 # what line do I edit in /etc/profile? (root's or my user one) 08.07.08 # -_- 08.07.16 # depends on your distro I guess 08.07.26 # and on what you wanna do 08.07.47 # I want to be able to compile from the daniel account. I can show you my /etc/profile file 08.07.59 Quit PaulPosition () 08.08.32 # ii 08.08.35 # not really necessary 08.08.38 # oops 08.08.40 # http://www.pastebin.ca/raw/783500 08.08.43 # that is the profile 08.08.50 # so what you wanna do is modify your path 08.09.00 # yes 08.09.07 # to be able to use the cross compile tools 08.09.12 # I am running find on m68k-elf-gcc... 08.09.16 # atm 08.09.22 # yep 08.09.31 # so I can compile rockbox basically 08.09.48 # then add the path to the m68k-* tools on the line for the normal user 08.10.02 # the second one in your profile 08.10.23 # the second path line? after the else? 08.10.29 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 08.10.33 # yes 08.11.05 # what do I add? 08.11.14 # and do I remove the "? 08.11.22 # and put it at the end of the edited line? 08.11.23 # do you know where your binaries were stored ? 08.11.35 # no. 08.11.39 # how do I check? 08.11.48 # put a : after the /usr/games 08.12.01 # and put your path to the binaries between the : and the " 08.12.10 # I don't know 08.12.15 # did you compile the tools ? 08.12.31 # I ran rockboxdev.sh 08.12.43 # where does that put them by default? 08.12.54 # so it may have created a folder with a bin/ dir inside 08.13.14 # I don't use that script on a daily basis so I don't remember ... 08.13.17 # ddalton_: /usr/local//bin 08.13.28 Quit jhulst (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 08.13.51 # LinusN: Ok so i386? and whats the full line I need to add? 08.13.58 # ah yes 08.14.00 # i.e /usr/local/arm-elf/bin, /usr/local/sh-elf/bin and /usr/local/m68k-elf/bin 08.14.02 # mine are there /usr/local/m68k-elf/bin 08.14.14 # a : between each? 08.14.18 # yes 08.14.28 # PATH="/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games:/usr/local/m68k-elf/bin" 08.16.21 # LinusN: What about i386 do I need to add that somewhere? 08.16.31 # ni 08.16.32 # no 08.16.54 # LinusN: Can you check my profile if I pastivin it? 08.17.13 # sure 08.17.28 Quit animeloe (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 08.17.43 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B167F5.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.18.43 Quit safetydan ("Leaving.") 08.19.50 # LinusN: is this right? http://pastebin.ca/raw/783535 08.20.14 # ddalton_: looks ok 08.20.21 Join fpc [0] (n=gandalf@200.55.181.43) 08.20.26 # LinusN: Ok Ill try it. Thanks 08.21.23 # Hello there 08.21.50 # I downloades the current-buil for my ipod nano first gen, and the files arent listed... 08.21.59 # downloaded. build... 08.22.53 # actually, I tried a last week build, and the firware was very unstable... 08.23.05 # someone can recomend me a build that is know to work on my first gen nano? 08.23.26 # LinusN: Same error. m68k-elf-gcc command not found 08.23.43 # is there a way to check im pointing to the right directory? 08.23.56 # ddalton_: type . /etc/profile 08.23.58 # and retry 08.24.07 # ddalton_: did you restart cygwin? 08.24.14 # the changes are probably not taken in account 08.24.15 # no I am on debian... 08.24.28 Quit BigBambi (Remote closed the connection) 08.24.55 # ddalton_: hmm, then it might help to start a new shell 08.25.17 # but i suspect /etc/profile might not be used if you use the bash shell 08.25.29 # then it might be /etc/hash_profile 08.25.35 # sorry, bash_profile 08.25.40 # anyway Ill be back in 20 mins I am using bash 08.25.53 # . /etc/profile would also works 08.26.02 # -s 08.26.42 # /etc/profile is used by bash 08.26.47 # cept if the user is root 08.26.49 # daurnimator: ok ,thx 08.27.04 # you have to use ~/.bash_profile for root 08.29.47 # ah, yes 08.31.21 Join pondlife [0] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 08.34.36 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.38.36 # hi LinusN: Ok im back. just testing... 08.41.22 # Linusn! I think its working! 08.41.25 # LinusN 08.41.33 # wee! 08.42.13 # so LinusN what should be quicker? 2.1 ghz dual core pc with cygwin building rb? Or 800 mhz pc with debian building rockbox 08.42.23 # cygwin one has 1 gb ram and the debian one has 256. 08.42.27 # I guess the cygwin one? 08.43.13 # ddalton_: hard to tell, but the dual core might be faster 08.43.31 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.t-2.net) 08.43.35 # the debian box could benefit from some more ram 08.43.41 # oh ok. I will probably end up installing linux on that. Just learning it before I break I break the good system :-) 08.44.17 # BTW I can actually watch the whole compile process. The access tecnology I am using is far better 08.44.31 Join webguest16 [0] (i=4b24cc4c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-dc3fa977e2877d22) 08.45.15 # LinusN: would I get improvements with 512 mb? 08.45.16 Part pondlife ("Gone") 08.45.37 # would that be quicker than the dual core building rb? 08.45.50 # Its going fairly fast. Up to the plugins. So It seems quicker 08.46.43 Quit fpc (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.48.57 # Is a build of Rockbox in the making for the Microsoft Zune (first gen)? 08.49.42 # no 08.50.06 Join GodEater_ [0] (n=bryan@bb-87-80-121-64.ukonline.co.uk) 08.52.10 # LinusN: How do I check the size of rockbox.zip? 08.55.35 # ddalton_: ls -lh rockbox.zip 08.55.37 # ls -l 08.56.01 # yeah or just l if you want a really accurate size... 08.57.01 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 08.57.13 Quit webguest16 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 08.57.28 # so would this be the size? Before the date? 1889080? 08.57.34 # 1.8 mb I guess? 08.57.46 # that looks right 08.58.07 # and another stupid question :-) how do I extract it to /media/iriver? 08.58.10 # rockbox.zip 08.58.21 Part toffe82 08.59.24 # unzip rockbox.zip /media/iriver ? 08.59.30 # not quite 08.59.38 # oh ok 08.59.39 # ddalton_: unzip -d /media/iriver rockbox.zip 08.59.41 # what is it then? 08.59.45 # I usually use "-o" too 08.59.55 # which overwrites the old .rockbox folder without asking you 09.03.17 # I thought it was unzip rockbox.zip -d /media/iriver 09.03.25 # Or does it not care about order of parameters? 09.05.08 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.07.12 Join OlivierBorowski [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-157-1-24-9.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) 09.08.15 Join akoelahpahlawanb [0] (n=dshdks@125.163.249.235) 09.09.07 # ddalton_: unzip -d /media/iriver rockbox.ziso its unzip -d -o /media/iriver rockbox.zipp 09.09.10 # oops 09.09.46 # unzip -o -d /media/iriver rockbox.zip 09.09.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.10.51 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 09.10.55 Quit nanok (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 09.15.17 Quit akoelahpahlawanb () 09.15.32 # * LinusN is impressed with how smooth the transition to speex has been so far 09.16.00 # LinusN: transition from what? 09.16.07 # from mp3 clips 09.16.14 # (the voice) 09.16.29 # yeah, just wasn't sure what rockbox was using 09.16.57 Join atsea- [0] (i=atsea-@gateway/tor/x-8e0441be2aac3586) 09.18.04 # the quality is slightly worse, but i guess it's just a matter of changing the encoder parameters 09.18.38 # LinusN: is it: "unzip -o -d /media/iriver rockbox.zip"? 09.18.55 # to unzip rockbox.zip to /media/iriver 09.19.07 # ddalton_: yes 09.19.14 # LinusN: thanks 09.21.09 Quit advcomp2019 ("Leaving") 09.22.30 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.22.51 Quit OlivierBorowski (Remote closed the connection) 09.23.52 Part TiMiD[FD] 09.25.48 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 09.26.34 Join eigma [0] (i=eigma@216.48.162.210) 09.27.28 # JdGordon: Regarding your bootloader commit, what happens if you turn the device on by inserting USB or the charger, and the hold switch is on? 09.27.41 # LinusN: what bit-rate were the MP3 files? 09.28.05 # DMA-driven (from DSP RAM to serial port) audio output is working on the m:robe! :D 09.28.26 # \o/ 09.28.27 Quit ddalton_ ("I was using BOFHNet IRC version 1.2 by fmillion - get your copy today from http://www.the-bofh.com/bofhnet/irc !") 09.28.29 # jmspeex: not sure 09.28.29 # linuxstb: The e200 at least, shouldn't boot up if the hold switch is in (the OF bootloader used to prevent it when present) 09.28.32 # I've got a nice ~1.4khz sine wave being outputed 09.28.40 Join ddalton [0] (n=daniel@203-217-71-105.dyn.iinet.net.au) 09.29.13 Join advcomp2019 [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 09.29.16 # linuxstb: it will shutdown which i would think is expected... although letting it boot to usb with hold on does sound ok also 09.29.18 # eigma: weeee! 09.29.38 # JdGordon: And then it stays off? The ipods would then turn back on again... 09.29.48 # no ARM->DSP bulk transfers yet though, I'll have to leave that to another day.. 09.30.08 # linuxstb: yeah... and who says the ipods are always right :D 09.30.10 # the C54x DMA nicely has this "circular buffer mode" so i can literally set it and then entirely idle the CPU 09.30.19 # cool 09.30.27 # JdGordon: So that means you can power-off the H10 and Sansa whilst charging? 09.30.30 # not even fixing the values every once in a while in an interrupt, it's awesome 09.30.54 # eigma: tried the free ti dsp compiler? 09.31.11 # linuxstb: I thought the iPod bootloaders don't have that change. 09.31.20 # I can't seem to get it to go into the lowest-power mode.. only the first-level idle mode :( 09.31.23 # linuxstb: I dunno 09.31.31 # linuxstb: But the e200 will turn on, say "Hold engaged" or something similar, and shut down, if you plug a OF-bootloader one into USB. 09.31.51 # So I would assume you can either power it off while charging, or the bootloader enters a low power mode that looks like off. 09.32.04 # linuxstb: the commit was really only for when the OF bootloader is removed on the e200 09.32.18 # LinusN: not yet.. I'm putting that off because I don't want to think about integrating it with the rockbox build system 09.32.25 # :-) 09.32.47 # if anyone else was interested in doing that, i would be much indebted to them ;) 09.33.20 # anyway, it's extremely late over here and a monday tomorrow (today..), I have to get some sleep 09.33.22 # cheers 09.33.47 Quit eigma () 09.45.47 # Llorean, JdGordon: So you're saying that you've tested the new Rockbox bootloader and it stays shut off with both a USB connection and charger connection (assuming the Sansa has a separate charger)? Anyone tested the C200 and H10s? 09.46.06 # linuxstb: No, I was just saying what the OF bootloader did. 09.46.37 # In the theory that if ours doesn't do it, because the OF one does that, we should be able to replicate it (if desired) 09.47.40 # linuxstb: hmm.. seems it does boot to the of if usb + hold 09.51.57 Quit TMM ("Ex-Chat") 09.53.03 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 09.53.05 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 10.12.26 Part pixelma 10.24.14 Quit ddalton ("Lost terminal") 10.35.36 Join Jon-Kha [0] (i=jon-kha@80-248-247-190.cust.suomicom.fi) 10.43.37 # jmspeex: The voice files used (and for hwcodec targets still use) mp3 vbr: 12kHz, lame -V 9 -B 64 (the latter is necessary due to limitations of the MAS mp3 decoder) 10.45.34 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host185-210-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 10.47.31 Join pondlife [0] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 10.47.50 # * pondlife really likes the new voicebox 10.48.06 # i.e. the HTML app 10.48.20 # Is it in SVN too? 10.49.59 Join Siku [0] (i=Siku@e81-197-76-6.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 10.56.21 # HTML app? 10.56.29 # voicebox.hta 10.57.02 # Where does this come from? 10.57.49 # The wiki 10.58.36 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceHowto 10.58.40 # where it's always lived... 10.59.01 # It should also be in SVN, but I don't see it. 10.59.28 # It never was in before, but now would be a good time to add it, I guess 10.59.31 # GodEater_: I'd never seen an html one before. 10.59.41 # No, that's new 10.59.43 # Also, I think we have too many voice pages on the wiki 10.59.49 # We do 11.00.01 # We shouldn't host voice files there 11.00.03 # erm 11.00.06 # VoiceHowto, VoiceBuilding and VoiceFiles 11.00.10 # I've used an html based one for AGES 11.00.13 # it can't be THAT new 11.00.25 # Ah, I only just saw it today ... 11.00.38 # GodEater_: The last time I generated talk clips, the H120 was the only swcodec target... 11.00.41 # when you said "new" I assumed you meant it had been updated to do speex 11.00.43 # New for me is very relative in that area. 11.01.20 # I hadn't updated since Brian Wolven's original vbs 11.01.30 # SAPI is broken on my work machine, it asks for the installation cd, which i don't have 11.01.36 # amiconn: I'm pretty sure Speex 16 kHz / 27.8 kbps sounds better 11.02.02 # The new .talk clips play back slower than my SAPI TTS setting though 11.02.36 # I've moved the slider across to full speed, but it makes no difference... I guess that's being overridden somewhere. 11.02.37 # jmspeex: how do i set the options for that? 11.02.57 # jmspeex: the current options are "-q 4 -c 10" 11.02.58 # LinusN: that's the wideband default 11.03.15 # LinusN: but you can change all settings with speex_encoder_ctl() 11.03.33 # LinusN: -q4 is a bit low I'd say 11.04.37 # * LinusN tries with -q 5 11.04.41 # but then again, it depends on the application 11.05.26 # it sounds ok, but it sounds a little too robotic, and the "s" and "f" are distorted 11.06.16 # I tend to recommend using 20 kbps or higher for wideband 11.07.14 # Hmm, the voicebox script sets the speech rate :/ 11.07.45 # Should leave that to the control panel setting, like the voice selection IMHO. 11.09.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.10.16 # i'm not too sure about that 11.10.23 # Why? 11.10.41 # i think the user is likely to want a different narration rate in rockbox than on the windows machine 11.10.43 # jmspeex: To me speex -q4 sounds considerably better than the old mp3 setting 11.10.45 # I like to set a fairly fast rate and build both .voice and .talk 11.11.02 # Consistency of voice on target is good 11.11.03 # pondlife: had any ideas to fix that squeel on the keyclick patch? 11.11.19 # pondlife: The .hta was around for years... 11.11.20 # amiconn: well, MP3 really sucks anyway. Also, the artifacts are very different between Speex and MP3 and they tend to be perceived differently 11.11.26 # by different people 11.11.44 # No. The problem seemed to go away for GodEater, perhaps with jhMikeS' little pcmbuf mods? 11.11.59 # Well, for hwcodec we have no choice.... unless someone implements a speex codec for the MAS 11.12.00 # I just resynced the patch, maybe you could retest? 11.12.13 # i saw.. thats what promptyed the question 11.12.28 # my tree isnt compilable atm.. but ill test later or tomorow if i rmemeber 11.12.38 # JdGordon: AFAIK, it's only a problem on Sansa at the moment. 11.12.51 # But I have no idea why it's a problem at all. 11.12.56 # i wonder if FS#8003 could be solved by the new voice system 11.13.00 # yeah, but it cant go in untill its fixed, and i want it in :p 11.14.17 # LinusN: It's tempting to close FS#8003... :) 11.14.35 # i added a comment about retesting with the latest version 11.14.42 # Thanks 11.14.47 # I was about to. 11.17.57 Nick Soap is now known as Soap_ (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 11.18.18 # which idiot decided the cfg strings cant have spaces after the commas???!!! 11.18.22 # * JdGordon shooots self 11.18.55 # * Bagder hands JdGordon the band aid 11.20.24 # yay, settings loading works.. now to fix saving.. and then the gui and its ready! 11.20.38 # What's ready? 11.20.45 # nearly... 11.21.38 # new config setup for the backlight so any value can be given 11.21.55 # get rid of those bloody arrays which have to be kept in sync between apps and firmware 11.23.42 # Hmm, the new voice makes keyclick somewhat inaudible.. :/ 11.24.03 # Previously it was a little slower to kick in, so you got the click first 11.24.17 # Guess it'll have to wait for the mixer 11.27.14 # why does strncpy() \0 the entire buffer upto len? 11.27.21 # adding one \0 isnt enough? 11.28.02 # What does POSIX say? 11.28.08 # dunno... 11.28.18 # but sounds like a waste of cpu to me 11.28.21 # That's what POSIX says... 11.28.26 # "If the array pointed to by s2 is a string that is shorter than n bytes, null bytes shall be appended to the copy in the array pointed to by s1, until n bytes in all are written. " 11.28.40 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p5496543F.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.28.45 # strncpy is a horrible function 11.28.51 # Adding strlcpy has been suggested... 11.29.17 # whats strlcpy? 11.29.23 # Google it. 11.29.30 # http://www.gratisoft.us/todd/papers/strlcpy.html# 11.29.31 # openbsd's take at a better strncpy 11.29.37 # Oops, ignore that trailing # 11.29.50 # used all over these days 11.30.11 # Bagder: What do you think about it? 11.30.24 # a good idea 11.30.30 # Yes 11.30.44 # strcpy/strncpy should be deprecated too. 11.31.16 # just define strncpy to strlcpy 11.31.50 # i'm all for it 11.32.04 # That would be the same as just changing the behaviour of strncpy, which isn't what we want - we want to be POSIX-compliant as much as possible. 11.32.05 Join agm3nt [0] (n=opera@bartek.tu.kielce.pl) 11.32.09 # .... or we can just stop strncpy \0-ing the whole buffer 11.32.21 # screw compliance! 11.32.41 # No, strlcpy should be added, and we can deprecate strncpy/strcpy over time 11.32.47 # i like the truncation checking and the null termination more than the extra performance 11.34.09 # Someone also mentioned the issue of utf-8 characters being truncated, I don't know if strlcpy can/should do that. 11.34.28 # ouch 11.34.31 # No, it shouldn't. 11.34.48 # Maybe utf8_strlcpy() ? 11.35.01 # Yep 11.35.14 # probably 11.35.16 # http://gtk-gnutella.sourceforge.net/doxygen/utf8_8h.html#a18 11.35.23 # for example 11.36.08 # * markun apologizes again for adding unicode support 11.36.34 # Anyone volunteering to do it? 11.37.37 # * linuxstb knows how to silence a party... 11.37.48 # * LinusN looks away 11.38.02 # shouldnt the who core be changed to only work with utf8 strings? 11.38.18 # JdGordon: I think so 11.38.38 # Yes, but that's a separate job. 11.38.43 # One thing at a time. 11.38.52 # restart apps/ from scratch! 11.39.09 # what would be the penalty for doing that? 11.39.27 # amiconn: ok, saving/loading the .cfg works fine.. I need to fix the option screen still though 11.39.32 # i'm worried for the archos targets 11.39.56 # I actually think it would benefit the archos more than hurt it 11.40.08 # What needs doing differently? I thought the core worked with utf-8 currently? 11.41.37 # i believe all config file parsing uses plain 8-bit 11.41.48 # for example 11.42.07 # yep, good old ascii 11.42.13 # LinusN: but does that matter? Aren't the paths in the config file stored in UTF-8? 11.42.30 # not sure 11.42.49 # i don't think they are 11.43.16 # all strings stored int he config are stored as ascii 11.44.15 # JdGordon: what do you mean? 11.44.20 # converted from UTF-8 to latin1? 11.44.31 # Does the config file care what the encoding is? Doesn't it just load/save whatever is in the strings in Rockbox, which afaiu is utf-8? 11.44.41 # linuxstb: that's what I think too 11.45.06 # hmm.. ok, maybe im confused then 11.51.30 Join safetydan [0] (n=safetyda@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 11.53.30 # hmmm, i just started my x5, and it didn't voice the initial menu choice, i.e "Files" 11.53.40 # shouldn't it do that? 11.53.56 # i believe it used to 11.54.17 # btw, -q 5 sounded a lot better 11.54.45 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 11.55.07 # are we any closer to getting 7738 commited ? 11.55.21 # It should definitely voice the initial menu option... 11.56.27 # It seems to try to do it, but misses the first bit 11.56.46 # e.g. if I start up in the Settings menu, it says "ttings" 11.57.25 # GodEater_: gets my vote 11.57.48 # who else's does it need ? :) 11.57.50 # LinusN: I think he wants you to commit it. 11.58.01 # ;) 11.58.12 # GodEater_: i don't know. is it tested on all targets that it affects? 11.58.18 # * linuxstb votes for LinusN committing as well 11.58.34 # Let's play the svn blame game :) 11.58.36 # afaik no-one's tried it on 4G greyscale or the mini 2g 11.58.50 # because we've not found anyone who owns those targets 11.58.55 # 4G greyscale is almost certainly identical to the Color 11.59.02 # I would assume so too 11.59.04 # (and I tested it on the Color) 11.59.43 # if we're not going to commit it based on the fact that it's not been tested there than I don't know what to do 12.00.04 # No, I think the Color test is good enough for the 4G greyscale. 12.00.07 Quit hunz ("Lost terminal") 12.00.15 # that still leaves the mini 2g 12.00.25 # The whole 4G greyscale port has been based on the fact that it's a Color with a 3G's LCD... 12.00.49 # If it's committed and fails on the mini 2g, the owners will let us know... 12.00.57 # If not, it'll sit there forever. 12.01.08 # i agree 12.01.09 # And nobody will get the benefit 12.02.07 # * LinusN commits 12.02.35 # yay! 12.02.48 # * GodEater_ pops the virtual champagne 12.03.11 # Is that only for iPod owners, that champagne? 12.03.21 # no - please help yourself 12.03.35 # Cheers! 12.03.42 # * GodEater_ made sure it was a Jeraboam, so there's enough for a lot of people 12.04.17 # * pondlife is still not sure why we need landscape/portrait modes 12.05.22 # anyone familiar with the uda1380? 12.05.51 # what effect do the mode bits have on the eq register? 12.06.10 # the datasheet isn't really telling me much apart from the possible values 12.06.44 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 12.08.45 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 12.09.21 # safetydan: isn't that explained in table 42? 12.09.42 # * GodEater_ deletes his 7738 git branch 12.10.26 # LinusN, I guess. So it if set to "minimum" the maximum bass gain is capped? 12.10.34 # guess so 12.10.38 # Did someone ever get rid of the setting for 7738? 12.10.40 # seems like an odd setting 12.10.50 # safetydan: i think so too 12.10.58 # Llorean: no settings in 7738 12.11.15 # It used to be configurable scroll speed, I thought 12.11.27 # * safetydan was sure someone said the uda1380 supported configurable bass/treble cutoff 12.11.46 # LinusN: Ah, I see the newest version says it doesn't have it. 12.11.55 # I had the task on my watch list, but apparently didn't get emails when it updated despite that. 12.12.00 # * Llorean needs to check his spam box perhaps 12.12.38 # safetydan: not to my knowledge 12.13.23 # * linuxstb wonders what else unofficial builds are including, now that there is album-art, scrollwheel acceleration and half the scrollmargins in SVN 12.13.50 # I noticed at least one of the e200 builds use the old keymap ;-) 12.14.19 # that's the reversed situation, the custom builds take away some recent things! 12.14.22 # linuxstb: Multifont, and "customline" whatever that is 12.14.43 # linuxstb: some include the multifont and other UI stuff 12.14.58 # custom line is the %e tag - which lets you specify x,y,width,colours and font for a line in the WPS 12.15.07 # So viewports will enable that functionality... 12.15.08 # Llorean: I took the settings out of 7738 some time last week 12.15.15 # with a bit of help from LinusN 12.16.21 # linuxstb: do you have colours in your viewport plans? 12.16.23 # * linuxstb prods markun and mentions multi-font 12.16.29 # how does the multiple font patch look like? 12.16.45 # hrm, both amiconn and preglow have mention uda1380 cutoff control in the past 12.16.58 # safetydan: odd 12.17.32 # Nico_P: Yes, viewports will have their own colours defined. 12.17.53 # linuxstb: nice :) how's progress btw? 12.18.27 # Still at the planning stage... 12.18.27 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3029.gwdg.de) 12.18.50 Quit markun (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.19.58 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 12.20.04 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 12.20.11 # GodEater_: I'm just frustrated because the "Watch this Task" button in Flyspray didn't do me any good. :-P 12.20.25 Join markun [0] (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 12.20.27 # linuxstb: Viewports will enable multiple fonts? 12.20.57 # Llorean: No, but when the core font code supports multiple fonts, viewports will make their implementation easier. 12.21.11 # Gotcha 12.21.41 # Llorean: sorry - I'll email you personally next time :) 12.21.57 # I thought it was a bit odd you were quiet on the subject 12.22.08 # As far as I knew, it was still at version 12 12.22.16 # I was just assuming things were working, and nothing had changed in a while 12.22.18 # ah - you missed quite a few iterations then :( 12.22.25 # Yu 12.22.27 # Yup 12.22.49 # I don't recall getting any individual emails from flyspray for a long time - does anyone? 12.23.04 # * GodEater_ is still puzzled he managed to save the patch back without .lang edits he thought he'd already made 12.23.29 # linuxstb: My last one from flyspray is from yesterday 12.23.37 # 12 hours ago. 12.23.53 # does scroll wheel accel warrant a major changes entry ? 12.24.05 # * linuxstb realises he has disabled notifications... 12.24.12 # GodEater_: Yes 12.24.15 # GodEater: I think so, adding entries are goodness 12.24.16 # hehehe - genius ;) 12.24.28 # I don't know if I have rights to the MajorChanges page 12.24.36 # It's just a normal wiki page 12.24.55 # I think that anything that generates at least 10 posts in the forums requesting it probably by default should get a MajorChanges entry once it happens. ;) 12.24.56 # ah cool 12.24.59 # I shall add it then 12.25.40 # It could be useful to list which ipods it works on, as the commit message didn't... 12.26.25 # * GodEater_ thought of that 12.26.47 # * linuxstb shuts up then 12.26.50 # hehe 12.27.22 # Maybe list Color/Photo explicitly though... 12.27.27 # apologies if I generated two RSS updates for that, I missed the %BR% tag off first 12.27.36 # * GodEater_ must use preview more often 12.27.58 # As if by magic... 12.28.30 # There might be one additional update, I added Photo/Color to the list, as people seem to frequently not think of those as 4Gs in the same way 12.28.37 # acceleration \o/ 12.29.17 # * Llorean has no desire to field the "Why did you leave out iPod Photo users, they're basically the same, aren't they?" question. 12.29.19 Quit J3TC- (Connection timed out) 12.29.26 # hehe 12.29.47 # safetydan: it does, afaik 12.29.54 # safetydan: it has one setting for it 12.30.26 # preglow, which register? 12.30.33 # gimme a sec 12.31.08 # ah, see now that I read section 8.4.2 it all becomes clear 12.31.31 # it is the mode bits that control it 12.32.04 # 12h 12.32.52 # ehrm 12.33.03 # hrm, so that comes back to the problem that the db range of the bass setting changes depending on the cutoff 12.33.30 # GodEater_: "See below for list?" 12.33.37 # Llorean: look again :) 12.33.52 # safetydan: i really can't find what i remember seeing, though... 12.33.53 # Ah, you even got it in during the grace period 12.33.54 # I realised as soon as I hit save I'd left it off =/ 12.35.40 # well, i distinctly remember uda1380 having a cutoff switch, but i can't find it again...... 12.36.30 # preglow, if you read section 8.4.2 I think it's talking about the mode bits (the flat/minimum/maximum settings in table 39) 12.38.18 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=13864.0 sound good? 12.39.50 # I'd really like to improve the whole situation. More clarity on why we're strict, less need to enforce because the rules aren't 500 pages long so people can pick them up more quickly, etc. 12.40.10 # sounds fine to me 12.41.21 # I'd like to see less stickies in the Announcements forum.... 12.41.50 # yeah me too 12.41.53 Quit safetydan ("Leaving") 12.41.58 # I think the merchandise one can be unstickied now... 12.42.13 # GodEater_: Too late on that suggestion 12.42.32 # Llorean: Did we get as far as a cheque from Cafepress? 12.42.46 # preglow: I was wondering, wouldn't it make more sense to have the balance setting in dB instead of percentage? 12.42.59 # pondlife: Nope. 12.43.25 # I set the "send a check to me at the minimum amount you'll send a check for" and everything, but I think we sold a couple stickers or something 12.43.49 # :/ 12.44.08 # oh dear =/ 12.44.10 # $6 total 12.44.15 # Merchandise is not exactly popular. 12.44.16 # I already have a mug + T shirt. There was some competition, some guys in Sweden I think. 12.44.38 # I don't think it was marketed. I didn't hear about it :) 12.44.47 # they're limited edition ones pondlife - not available through cafepress :) 12.44.52 # Indeed 12.44.54 # Rockbox blue 12.45.00 # Actually, there was $12 in sales at one point, but someone returned something. :) 12.45.00 # Well the mug is 12.45.05 Quit atsea- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.45.05 # haha 12.45.45 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 12.46.13 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 12.46.15 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 12.46.27 # linuxstb: your planning viewports? or joiinging in the collection "thinking about it" ? 12.47.24 # JdGordon: I've been working on them over the last few days. 12.47.37 # cool 12.48.01 # Hmm, something's up with the time zone support on the forum. 12.48.21 # * JdGordon is keen to help out when its ready for more code monkeys 12.48.24 # JdGordon: Here's my current work-in-progress notes about what I plan to do - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/viewports.txt 12.48.24 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 12.48.40 # GodEater_: You didn't post at 1:30am? 12.49.02 # JdGordon: The last thing to work out is how scrolling lines will work... 12.49.58 # Aha, the forum timezone autodetects me a value of -5. It should be 5. 12.50.21 # I had the same problem... 12.50.26 # linuxstb: that should go in a wiki.... but just quickly.. I was tinhking it would be better if apps/ doesnt actually know anything about the viewport.. I thought the current lcd setting functions should take a handle to a viewport (of which there would be X statically declared in frimware) so when apps wants to draw it would viewport_allocate(), then set the settings.. then draw 12.50.34 # i dont tihnk it belongs in apps 12.51.22 # and the viewport handle == 0 would be the "root" viewport (cover the whole screen) and 1 would be the root remote vp 12.51.34 # I disagree. I think it's much cleaner this way. It's also how amiconn planned to implemented them. 12.52.25 # ok 12.52.25 # linuxstb: Should each viewport know which screen it's on? i.e. remotes... 12.52.38 # as for scrolling.. they shuold be made pixel based.. its the only sane way to do it 12.52.46 # pondlife: imo yes 12.52.56 # pondlife: I haven't got as far as thinking about the screens yet. 12.53.23 # OK, just one more thing to juggle :) 12.54.36 # markun: don't know, haven't tried 12.55.18 # Also, this talk of pop-up menus etc. implies a Z order. Might it not be simpler to add that later and start with a "viewports should not overlap, but if they do, the later one gets priority" system? 12.55.44 # No, the Z order is implied by the apps code, and which viewports they ask to be updated on the LCD, and in which order. 12.56.06 # Ah, ok. I was confused by the word "underlying" 12.56.42 # Although the plan isn't to allow lots of overlapping viewports - the normal usage would be to split the screen into non-overlapping viewports. 12.57.19 # how about nested viewports? 12.57.24 # I imagine a pop-up menu would simply not clear the previous content of the screen. 12.57.52 # linuxstb: I understand why lcd_set_viewport() should be used, but I dont like the idea of calling that every time you want to use any lcd function (well.. once for each set of lcd_()calls).... 12.57.52 # i don't think we need overlapping ports 12.57.53 # LinusN: There is no such thing. 12.57.57 # nested implies overlapping 12.58.15 # Albeit a special case 12.58.20 # I thought that if the vp struct is in firmware/ the globals in the lcd drivers would be removed and replaced by the vp members 12.58.23 # of course 12.58.39 # JdGordon: They are. 12.58.40 # ... but thats much more work to put in 12.59.19 # Adding an extra viewport parameter to every LCD function would also be a lot of extra code... 12.59.31 # true 12.59.40 # Plus more params = risk of SH1 code bloat 13.00.14 # still.. for some reason I dont like the idea of apps/ being able to set the vp members to arbitary values 13.00.47 # but yeah, other than that I agree with pretty much the rest of the txt 13.00.57 # and especially like the yes no screen idea 13.01.00 Join moos [0] (i=moos@m147.net81-66-159.noos.fr) 13.02.44 # also, the list widget doesnt need a seperate vp for the icons/cursor/scroll bar.. all 3 should go in 1 13.02.58 # But then how do you rearrange them left/right ? 13.03.14 # And also, there will no longer be a left/top margin. 13.03.24 # all 3 of those items are pixel positioned... so it wont make any difference 13.03.56 # It will do - scrolling lines scroll the full width of the viewport they are in. 13.04.13 # yes but icons cursor and scrollbar are all statically sized 13.04.26 # * jhMikeS will do the clipped overlapped viewports thing...just no way out of it :) 13.04.29 # the contexnt for sure needs a seperate one 13.05.19 # But if that combined viewport is on the left, you want the items ordered one way, if they're on the right, then ordered another way. 13.05.20 # also, I wonder if it might be nice to add a void (*viewport_update)(void* data) member to the vp struct 13.05.44 # ok.. so? there has to be a setting saying which side to put it on.. so use that 13.06.13 # there is no need to go overboard with seperate vp's everywhere... as long as statically sized stuff stays seperate from dynamically sized stuff (i.e text) 13.06.16 # It just seems simpler to define separate viewports, then you don't have to worry about where they are. 13.06.21 # JdGordon: But there are no margins for the scrolling text. 13.06.27 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@79.20.210.185) 13.06.34 # ? course there is.... 13.06.41 # You don't need to care if there are icons, or scrollbar, and if both are on the left, right, or opposite sides, the text itself scrolls within its one viewport. 13.06.41 # the viewport is the scrolling texts margin 13.06.58 # If the viewport is, why are you putting the icons in the viewport with the text? 13.07.00 # JdGordon: What would that viewport_update function be for? 13.07.07 # (and what would call it?) 13.07.15 # Llorean: reread my comment... im not... 13.07.33 # linuxstb: im not sure :p i keep tihnking it would be a good idea.. 13.07.43 # JdGordon: Wait, are you suggesting it not be drawn to a viewport at all? 13.08.10 # text in one vp, title in one, icons/scrollbar/cursor(icon) in another 13.08.15 # Llorean: IIUC, JdGordon is suggesting one viewport for the list items, and one viewport for the icons/cursor/scrollbar. My proposal has 4 viewports. 13.08.16 # max 3 for lists... 13.08.36 # ...plus the title... 13.09.39 # I honestly think the icons, cursor, and scrollbar could each be separate viewports. I know I kinda wish I had the scrollbar on the right, and the icons on the left, and I use the highlight rather than the cursor. 13.09.41 # thats really not all that important now though 13.09.55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.10.13 # linuxstb: have you thought at all about how it merges with screen access yet? 13.13.15 # Llorean: wouldnt icons on one side and the bar on the other look a bit funny? but I guess thats a valid reason to split them 13.14.39 # splitting a list control into separate viewports? what would that gain? I can't see anything it could possibly help with that can't be done by just having the lists draw appropriately. 13.14.48 Join CaptainSquid [0] (n=Miranda@proxy13.netz.sbs.de) 13.15.15 # JdGordon: icons on the left and bar on the right wouldn't, with left aligned text. 13.15.25 # JdGordon: No, as I said earlier I haven't thought about screens yet. 13.15.28 # jhMikeS: we have viewport euphoria at the moment :p 13.15.33 # * Llorean points to "List view" of many, many file managers. 13.15.51 # Llorean: yeah, but they are on much larger "screens" 13.17.35 # the filemanager on my iPaq looks like that too 13.17.40 # and that's a pretty small screen 13.17.50 # icons and scrollbars are rarely separate windows 13.18.44 # no - they'd be seperate widgets 13.18.53 # but we're not implementing a widget toolkit here 13.19.01 # we should :> 13.19.12 # after you ;) 13.19.30 # i've got a feeling you won't see me doing any gui coding very soon 13.20.09 # I think a toolkit port like that to Rockbox would be a little overkill 13.20.15 # even something like FLTK would be overkill 13.20.17 # jhMikeS: They aren't really separate windows. They're just drawn within separate bounding boxes. 13.21.13 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 13.21.19 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 13.22.33 # GodEater_: not a toolkit _port_ 13.22.35 # * jhMikeS is glad the fiberoptic guys are coming today. these connection dropouts are annoying as hell. 13.22.38 # we'd have to roll our own 13.23.06 # but with touch screens and shit on the way, it's getting more relevant 13.23.56 # all you need is a stored state instance for a "control". it's mainly a bugger because of no malloc. 13.24.16 # Wouldn't all the controls just be declared statically? 13.25.37 # every instance? 13.26.34 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyNoMalloc :) 13.27.39 # Or maybe on the stack... 13.30.27 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@66.172.231.192) 13.30.47 Quit spiorf (kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 13.30.47 NSplit kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 13.30.47 Quit markun (kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 13.30.47 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I access the forums from different computers, and sometimes get threads showing up on one which didn't on the other... 14.02.35 # linuxstb: As far as I know "New Topics" is traced by account. 14.02.41 # It works accurately between my phone and PC at least 14.02.56 # If someone modifies their post, though, it'll show back up in New Topics, I believe. 14.02.58 # works ok across all pcs I use too 14.03.15 # Llorean: It's just that sometimes I read them on my laptop, and have less than a page of new topics, and then I go to desktop PC, and will see 3 or 4 pages worth.... 14.03.33 # curious 14.03.33 # Hmm. 14.03.36 # I really don't know. 14.03.44 # Oh 14.03.45 # so is voice seperate from playback now? can it talk with music paused? or just the codec changed? 14.03.47 # Wait, the "New Topics" button 14.04.00 # That one works a bit differently than just showing you all posts marked (New) 14.04.01 # if(uid==linuxstb) return random_new_topics() ; 14.04.04 # This page - http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?action=unread 14.04.12 # Since it's intent is to show you "New topics since your last visit" as opposed to "All new topics" 14.04.18 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?action=unread;all;start=0 <-- All new Topics 14.04.39 # So I suspect the "Since your last visit" thing might be the problematic part of it 14.05.27 # So action=unread means "since my last visit" ? 14.05.39 # yeah, nice isnt it :) 14.05.48 # argh, I created a potential deadlock situation...easy fixeroo 14.05.52 # amiconn: incase you dont get the email.. fs#8186 14.05.55 Part LinusN 14.06.38 # * JdGordon prepares to swear at GodEater when he realsies the scroll accell patch breaks sansa! 14.07.01 # why swear at me - I didn't write most of it 14.07.06 # I just took out the settings :( 14.07.11 # you pushed for the commit! :p 14.07.17 # huh? what changed about it because I helped have it run right now sansa 14.07.23 # *on 14.07.23 # linuxstb: As far as I know, yes. 14.07.33 # * JdGordon was just being silly... relaaax... 14.08.05 # Llorean: And your suggestion of action=unread;all;start=0 will be all unread topics ever? 14.08.09 # * jhMikeS loads the .45 :p 14.08.37 # linuxstb: It should be. 14.09.51 # seems to work fine 14.13.55 Join erdemc [0] (n=edrem@212.156.170.207) 14.14.13 # hi 14.14.44 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 14.14.48 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 14.14.52 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 14.15.12 # can someone help me with album art on rockbox?* 14.15.38 # Just ask. 14.17.02 # i cant see albumart on the themes i installed. i there something in the settings i dont know about? 14.17.21 # have you followed the guide on the AlbumArt wiki page? 14.18.05 # no can you send the link? 14.18.09 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt 14.19.29 # thanks 14.22.06 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 14.22.28 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 14.22.30 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 14.22.34 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 14.28.26 Join dpc_clyde [0] (n=clyde_@port-212-202-78-41.dynamic.qsc.de) 14.28.31 Join Redbreva [0] (n=chatzill@host86-144-108-57.range86-144.btcentralplus.com) 14.28.37 # hi everyone 14.31.03 Quit erdemc () 14.31.26 # iam new to rockbox, ive read something of a logo swapper, but i can´t found it anywhere therefore I´ve tried a build of evilG with a great boot image and figured out this image is located in rockbox.ipod file. Is there a way without compiling to change this? 14.31.58 # dpc_clyde: the logoswapper you refer to isn't something we support here 14.32.10 # ok ;) *doh* 14.32.52 # any other ideas? 14.33.48 # I've an idea there's a forum post about it somewhere 14.33.51 # have a search 14.34.07 # hmm 14.35.36 # dpc_clyde: you could try this (but if you experience problems don't ask here): http://www.misticriver.net/forums/rockbox-forums/52672-logo-swapper-windows-application.html 14.35.46 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 14.35.48 # ok thats enough, thx 14.35.56 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 14.35.58 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 14.36.03 Nick Nic0_P is now known as Nico_P (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 14.39.46 # mrmmmmm 14.39.57 # mrmmmm? 14.40.07 # ..m? 14.40.19 # Mr Mmmm ? 14.40.29 # MrH has a friend? 14.40.33 # Incorrect commit message (LinusN's commit) 14.40.34 # I was thinking something similar. 14.40.37 # pondlife: dammit, I was gonna make that joke! 14.40.51 # amiconn: The wheel one? 14.40.56 # yeah 14.41.01 # Yeah, I noticed that... 14.41.08 Join fluffman [0] (n=fluffman@206.74.211.163) 14.41.22 # Looks ok here, which page? 14.41.41 # * preglow summons domonoky 14.42.26 Part dpc_clyde 14.42.41 # yeah, looks ok to me too 14.42.54 # Or is it the factual incorrectness? 14.43.14 # Yes, it's only for about half the ipods... 14.43.15 # "Scroll wheel acceleration for iPod" <== for about half of the ipods only 14.43.19 # ;) 14.43.28 # And he forgot the full stop. 14.43.31 # :) 14.43.39 # get out the thumscrews then 14.43.44 # it's just inexcusable 14.43.44 # And didn't follow the Rockbox standard for capitalising Ipod. 14.43.56 # I thought that was Iriver 14.44.06 # yeah 14.44.07 # hi, I've been looking for a patch to let me play m4v's, etc on my ipod 5.5gen video with the latest daily of rockbox, but the only info I can find is from 2006 14.44.14 # From Champagne to thumbscrews. We're nice. 14.44.18 # hehehe 14.44.26 # fluffman: There isn't such a patch. 14.44.40 # ok just making sure nothing had changed since then 14.44.48 # I'm sure track skipping has got faster since the voice codec change. 14.44.55 # I mean, with voice enabled. 14.44.56 # thank you linuxstb 14.50.17 Part fluffman 14.50.47 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 14.54.06 Part Llorean 14.55.50 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 14.55.50 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 14.56.02 Quit Siku () 15.01.27 # what's the point of a web page that says "There is no "current" release, get a current build instead." 15.01.33 # why have a link then? 15.02.55 # It also links to the previous release - i.e. 2.5 15.03.09 # because the release was certified as bug free and with a given set of features for the platform it was made for 15.03.20 # which some people prefer to using bleeding edge code 15.03.48 # the link says "releases" 15.04.00 # then you get there and there is a "release" for archos 15.04.07 # bad design 15.04.21 # it's misleading 15.04.25 # How else would we tell people that there are no released versions - which is something people will look for? 15.04.43 # lol 15.04.50 # ? 15.05.44 # on that note 15.05.53 # when viewports is in place, i say it's time to start thinking about a release again 15.06.02 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.06.02 # we should give it a shot at least every other year :> 15.06.27 # mayday2008? 15.06.32 # lol 15.06.35 # What about PP502x battery life? 15.06.47 # linuxstb: what about not releasing for ipods if that isn't in place 15.06.53 Join cowboydan97 [0] (n=cowboyda@72.159.134.131) 15.07.00 # Would seem a shame. 15.07.01 # or pp502x at all, of course 15.07.04 # it would indeed 15.07.12 # archos+irivers+iaudios release 15.07.15 # but it's not a blocker, that not being in place doesn't prevent us from working on the features that work 15.07.22 # it doesn't hinder development in the least 15.07.30 # the h1Ă  in less of course 15.07.33 # I mean maybe we could agree on a set of features/bugs we want implemented/fixed before a release, and then think about a release only after they're done. 15.07.36 # those who care about that can work on it in parallel very nicely 15.08.14 # on the feature side, can you think of anything else we'll want? 15.08.43 # linuxst: didn't we made it already in the past? (I mean list of bugs to fix...) 15.08.51 # mpegplayer should be stable, with a nice seeking implementation. 15.08.58 # so the difference between releases and current builds is that one exists and the other doesn't? 15.09.03 # certainly, and that's happening right now, isn't it? 15.09.20 # DogBoy: no - they both exist 15.09.32 # DogBoy: we have a release, that's easy to see, isn't it? 15.09.32 Quit jurrie ("Leaving") 15.09.34 # but Rockbox has only one Release, which only exists for Archos players 15.09.38 # DogBoy: 2.5, it's right there 15.09.43 # it's stupid 15.09.49 # it's a release, how is it stupid? 15.09.51 # There has been many releases - from pre 1.0 up to 2.5 15.09.55 # to have that link 15.09.58 # you're just repeating yourself now, you need to give a reason for it being stupid 15.09.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.10.09 # no, it's a good link, it points to a release 15.10.29 # releases need to be easily available 15.10.41 # so you're saying that everybody that comes to the site to dl rockbox needs to see that there is only one release and it's old and for archos 15.10.45 # DogBoy: which device(s) do you use btw? 15.11.07 # preglow: But no, I don't think we need any new features (not even viewports) for a release - just the existing ones working well. 15.11.13 # DogBoy: yep, because that is our current situation 15.11.21 # DogBoy: what would you rather we do? hide the release for no apparent reason? 15.11.29 # linuxstb: Amen :) 15.11.59 # linuxstb: kinda agree, but viewports would be nice 15.12.18 # preglow: nice but not necessary 15.12.39 # sure 15.12.39 # even if we have AA now 15.12.42 # why would users keep coming back to test new builds if we give them all the eyecandy in one release ? :) 15.12.57 # hehe :) 15.13.09 # I also think that once we get one release out, we should try and get in the habit of more frequent releases again - it can only be good for quality control. 15.13.17 # agree completely 15.13.26 # there's something wrong with our quality ? 15.13.30 # only a couple of big features at a time 15.13.33 # then stabilizing for release 15.13.34 # * linuxstb points GodEater to flyspray... 15.13.41 Join joshin [0] (n=josh@unaffiliated/joshin) 15.14.04 # linuxstb: at least now we have people working on playback 15.14.13 # few areas have no active people on them now 15.14.14 # GodEater:quite relatively lot of bugs remainings ;) 15.14.19 # so this might actually work out this time 15.14.48 # linuxstb: last time we spoke about those bugs you said something like "I don't use those features, so they're not bugs" :) 15.15.19 # preglow: the things are surely better than the last release "alert" in vain:) 15.15.34 # yeah, that was a bit futile 15.15.53 # but sure, if we're gonna try releasing for pp, we should have usb as well 15.15.55 Quit male (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 15.15.55 # and the power bug 15.16.13 Join KoCb0 [0] (i=KoCb0@217.79.65.189) 15.16.34 # GodEater: Sure, and a release would be easier if we removed those features... 15.16.47 # hehehe 15.17.04 # PP tagets are far from a release if we keep the same criterias as before, I mean h1xx series are ready for release since long *time* now 15.17.37 # hi everyone, I'm searching for rockbox cube logo like on this pic 15.17.38 # http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger2/6097/223418251610478/1600/824036/gse_multipart9311.png 15.17.48 # but in bigger demensions 15.18.07 # can anyone help 15.18.15 # so it's like a trick then, you want to inform that user of the web site that there are no releases, so you put a link that says releases and then the page says "doh, there are no releases" 15.18.20 # * petur likes that logo too - should replace the current one.... 15.18.23 # I need help. How do I get rockbox to play an album in the proper track order? It's playing songs alphabetically. 15.18.37 # DogBoy: _THERE IS A RELEASE THERE_ 15.18.45 # you need to either start saying something new here, or drop it 15.19.00 # release is not the same as releases 15.19.10 # you're arguing about incorrect use of plural now? 15.19.13 # cowboydan97: do you use the database or filetree? 15.19.14 # petur: fashion style ;p 15.19.38 # PaulJam: uh database i guess. Filetree? 15.20.12 # Yeah, database 15.21.23 # cowboydan97: then make sure that the tracknumber tags are filled correctly (you need to initialize the database again to make it pick up changes in the tags) 15.22.12 # DogBoy: If you follow the link to 2.5, that also shows the older releases. 15.22.22 # lol 15.22.24 # well i mean it plays, and then when it goes to the next in alphabetical line, it may be track 2, but it will show the actual track number in the corner 15.22.53 # DogBoy: Do you have a suggestion for how the website should look, including links to the releases? 15.23.03 # petur: yes, much cleaner...but something's missing in terms of visual impact. it's a bit muted. can't place it right now. 15.23.10 # it's no big deal 15.23.28 # then why are you complaining about it ? 15.23.33 # I guess it's designed from the developer's point of view, which is of course not unusual 15.23.36 # PaulJam: also, the alphabetical listing only happens when i search by artist. When searching by album, the tracks are sorted by their respective track number. 15.23.45 # but of course many more people than developers go there 15.23.57 # it's designed from the point of view from someone who wants facts 15.24.02 # but i can't be bothered about this anymore 15.24.46 # Nevermind. It turns out that i selected all tracks instead of the album. And since there was only one album, I didn't notice. 15.24.46 # DogBoy: lots of *normal* users are using daily/bleeding edge build 15.24.48 # preglow: who wants facts? I couldn't care less. ;) 15.24.59 # to me it's just dump that you have a link that says "releases" and then you go to the page and it says: There is no "current" release 15.25.01 # thank you for your help PaulJam 15.25.09 # pointing out such things is what faqs are for 15.25.57 # it's like a web site that has a link and you click it and it says "nothing here check back later" 15.26.03 # The 2.5 release is so outdated now that it should be hidden somehow, imho... 15.26.28 # There's even a couple of known bugs 15.26.48 # ...which are fixed in svn (like the occasional freezes on Ondio) 15.26.52 # yeah, we want people to keep their bugs up to date 15.26.58 # it's natural for web sites and code to acumulate cruft 15.27.38 # amiconn: what's about rombox? no news from IDCDragon? 15.27.38 # but I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of people that click that link could care less about what the page says 15.27.49 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@hdp186.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 15.27.53 # sort of like the front page? 15.27.58 # hehe 15.28.18 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 15.28.23 # that's all I was saying, I didn't mean to incur the wrath of the gods 15.30.22 Join DaCapn [0] (n=dacapn@c-76-105-220-239.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 15.31.35 # I can't seem to find information about editing the main menu in the docs (5th gen ipod). The viewers don't appear in the "browse plugins" sub-menu and I would like to change this. Anyone able to help me find the right docs? 15.32.25 # editing the main menu?? 15.32.41 # the viewers aren't supposed to appear there 15.32.43 Part cowboydan97 15.32.44 # they can't be opened directly 15.32.55 # they need to be called with a file argument 15.33.13 # at least most of them 15.33.25 # so you just open the file directly? 15.33.40 # they're meant to be called by the "open with" context menu option 15.34.51 # For most file formats supported by viewers, just 'playing' the file fires up the viewer 15.35.05 # But that's all covered by the fine manual... 15.36.34 Join nicktastique [0] (n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic) 15.36.56 # Is the .voice file always loaded if present - even if voice menus are disabled? 15.37.03 # yeah the files I was trying to open weren't showing up in the file browser so I thought I needed to launch the viewer, but I just realized that they're all png images 15.37.40 # I'm probably all sorted out now thanks 15.38.53 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@athedsl-89492.home.otenet.gr) 15.39.21 # Genre9mp3: Hi. You mentioned a while ago you were interested in adapting iCatcher for AA - are you still planning on doing that? 15.40.24 # linuxstb: hallo, yes I am planning to do it but need to find some spare time first 15.40.56 # linuxstb: I already saw th left margin commit 15.41.01 # *the 15.41.02 # did you check ebay, there's a lot of spare time on there I think 15.42.00 # * linuxstb normally finds that ebay steals spare time 15.43.39 # spare time also turns out to be very expensive.... 15.43.51 Join japc [0] (n=japc@194.65.5.235) 15.44.59 # Genre9mp3: Did you see my 220x176 version? 15.45.40 # linuxstb: nope 15.45.43 Join sqgl_LakeMacq [0] (i=sqgl@115.a.006.syd.iprimus.net.au) 15.46.00 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8134 15.46.14 # It needs updating for the %s|x| -> %m|x| change though. 15.46.50 # * Genre9mp3 checks the dump 15.47.21 Join zicho [0] (n=martin@c-2198e355.68-7-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 15.48.13 # linuxstb: to tell you the truth, I didn't have in mind the %C conditional approach 15.49.13 # Do you like the idea? 15.49.55 # I am more like to do a different version than to alter the existing wps in order to display album art if that exists 15.50.31 # I think I could fit all things a bit better by using a different font 15.51.07 # I don't have cover-art for all my music, so when there isn't art, I would prefer the space to be used to display text, rather wasting it by being empty, or having a "no cover art" image. 15.51.30 # linuxstb: Afaik rockbox reserves the buffer for a voice file if it finds one 15.51.46 # linuxstb: This is what I have in mind: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIriverH300#iCatcher_Uni_Catcher 15.52.30 # Genre9mp3: Hmm, I prefer the larger text, especially in the menus. 15.52.37 # someone needs to implement some kind of visualization (like in WMP or winamp) for when no cover is available ;) 15.53.51 # people! apparently we are fools for not having a wince version 15.54.12 # linuxstb: I am a bit conserned that the %C approach will be difficult to adapt and maybe the result will be a bit ugly on smaller screens (eg. H10, Nano) 15.54.21 # * preglow wonders if there are free sdks for wince 15.54.27 # * linuxstb looks around for someone who owns a wince device 15.54.36 # oops, I do... (a gigabeat S...) 15.55.07 # Genre9mp3: i think that looks rather nice 15.56.08 Quit zicho (Remote closed the connection) 15.56.09 # Genre9mp3: We don't have to use it everywhere - different sized screens could (and I think should) have different approaches. 15.56.43 # linuxstb: I know what you mean about the font, but it makes sense to me this: adding album art -> making the font a bit smaller so everything will fit nicely 15.57.09 # linuxstb: Well, I have all colour targets in mind 15.57.27 # the problem is that people that don't use AA will have a preference for a larger font 15.57.35 # I don't want to argue, as WPSs are very much down to personal taste, but I think the font size is fine in my version of iCatcher - there's still enough room, even with the album art. 15.58.06 # So I guess we can fork icatcher ;) 15.58.14 # linuxstb: lol 15.58.39 # XavierGr: I'd like to have 2 versions of it. An AA one and the existing one 15.58.46 # * amiconn pings markun 15.59.07 # ah yeah I think that will be more suitable 15.59.35 # So then, when you want AA you simply choose the AA version 15.59.37 # That's what I like about my version of icatcher - it uses AA if present, and looks identical to the previous version if it isn't. 16.00.01 # linuxstb: it's identical? 16.00.26 # linuxstb: but that version is in a Gigabeat F that has plenty of room for that 16.00.27 # _almost_, I think I moved the progress bar down a few pixels... 16.00.38 # linuxstb: The progress bar seems a bit lower to me or am I wrong? 16.00.41 # ahh... 16.01.09 # linuxstb: my approach uses 100x100 album art btw :P 16.01.24 # I know, but also a smaller font ;) 16.04.33 # linuxstb: your version seems to me a bit busy at the right, also I think that the title information will scroll very often and I wouldn't like that 16.05.12 # linuxstb: Anyway, give me some time 'till I work with what I have in mind and we will see what suits, best, right? 16.06.04 # Genre9mp3: Sure. We can let the public decide ;) 16.06.40 # that reminds me of the default theme contest 16.07.12 # * amiconn likes the look of icatcher up to some degree, but is annoyed but the loading time 16.07.16 Quit J3TC- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.07.16 # ...or we could bloat the builds by having iCatcher, iCatcherAA and iCatcherHybrid versions :P 16.07.38 # amiconn: loading time is still an issue? 16.07.40 # Nico_P: you started it! :P 16.07.44 # Nico_P: Yeah a sad story... 16.07.54 # Genre9mp3: I didn't 16.08.03 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@pD955F287.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.08.12 # Nico_P: your AA commit did 16.08.16 # ah 16.08.40 # * Nico_P started it all when he opened FS#3045... 16.09.03 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 16.09.22 # how about no default theme in the zip and make the user choose one when installing via the GUI installer (sorry, can't remember what it's call atm). If the user chooses to install via zip then they need to see the manual where it says to also pick a theme? 16.09.33 # Nico_P: Yes. Takes almost as long as the dircache scan on my 2nd Gen, but unlike that, the wps load is blocking... 16.10.14 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 16.10.20 # * amiconn just uses the default wps on most of his targets, and a set of 2 self-made wps'es on a few targets 16.10.23 # amiconn: I seem to recall you telling linuxstb and me the loading time was OK (at the time we were discussing the BMP tar patch) 16.10.26 # J: That's more or less what happens now, apart from the installer doesn't select a theme as current, it just installs it. 16.10.46 # Those self-made wps'es don't contain any .bmp for bearable boot times 16.10.58 # amiconn: if you notice slowness you could tell us if the bmp tar patch improves things 16.11.07 # so why all the we must pick a default theme conversation? 16.11.18 # Nico_P: It seems to depend on target. Maybe fragmentation. 16.11.44 # yeah... at least a tar file doesn't have that 16.11.54 # maybe we should revive that patch 16.12.07 # Wasn't there an issue with remote WPSs? 16.12.09 # Nico_P: indeed, if it makes a difference 16.12.20 # Before the tokenizer, load times were excessive on archos. That stopped with the tokenizer, but on some targets, I still get wps load times of several seconds e.g. for icatcher 16.12.29 # linuxstb: it wasn't a big one... just somthing with the build script IIRC 16.12.44 # amiconn: the tokenizer improved things? 16.12.54 # yes, on archos 16.12.59 # nice :) 16.13.19 # do you think it's because of the different bitmap loading startegy? 16.13.23 # I remember wps loading time in excess of 15 seconds from before the tokeinzer 16.14.06 Quit atsea- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.14.21 # linuxstb: the wps build script just needs to differentiate wps from rwps 16.15.16 # group bmps... 16.15.27 # preglow: Definitely... 16.15.30 Quit KoCb0 () 16.15.33 # preglow: in only one bitmap? 16.15.52 # Yes. 16.16.03 # like http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7289 ? 16.16.06 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.180.92) 16.16.06 # e.g. all the codec icons could be in a vertical strip 16.16.24 # linuxstb: isn't there a patch for this too? 16.16.34 Quit DogBoy ("Leaving") 16.16.37 # Nico_P: no, several 16.16.48 # Nico_P: but related bitmaps should be in one bitmap 16.16.54 # like a strip of battery indicators, for example 16.16.58 # preglow: yeah, I meant as opposed to tar files 16.17.14 # so I think we're talking FS#7289 16.17.22 # Nico_P: well, they can be combined, i just think grouped bitmaps for related stuff should go in anyway 16.17.28 # probably makes life easier for wps makers too 16.18.00 # I like the bitmap groups idea better 16.18.09 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.18.16 # * Genre9mp3 would like FS#7345 better 16.18.19 # No extra tool like tar needed, and should also reduce loading time considerably 16.18.20 # yeah I should really commit that one... I've been meaning to for a long time 16.18.50 # Yes, I prefer the 7345 approach 16.18.53 # Nico_P: I think FS#7345 is what linuxstb says 16.19.00 # hmm yeah 16.19.17 # doesn't the tar approach require the user to tar bitmaps in the correct order? 16.19.28 # preglow: not anymore 16.20.09 # tar doesn't have seek table, does it? 16.20.20 # nope 16.20.33 # preglow: no, but bitmaps are loaded all at once at the end of the wps parsing since the tokenizer arrived 16.20.34 # tar format is designed for sequential access 16.20.36 Quit sqgl_LakeMacq ("Leaving") 16.20.38 # It's just [512 byte header][content][512 byte header][content] repeated... 16.20.42 # Nico_P: in random order? 16.21.02 # (with the content padded to 512 bytes as well) 16.21.10 # Tape ARchiver 16.21.15 # preglow: no, IIRC ordered by ID 16.22.17 # Nico_P: so you need to walk around in the tar file looking for the right bitmaps, then? 16.22.56 # preglow: yeah, that's it... but the order isn't important. the tar can be read sequentially (the filenames array is then read in random order) 16.23.22 # if the order isn't important, then you don't really seek around much 16.23.27 # Seeking would be bad for loading speed 16.23.40 # ok, i was just going to suggest using zip files, but if you don't need to seek around to look for bitmaps, then it's not important 16.24.07 # But even then, the tar idea isn't that nice, as it requires an extra tool for wps designers. Unlike linux, windows doesn't have tar by default 16.24.13 Join scorche|w [0] (n=42c007b2@ice.cream.org) 16.25.20 # we could just code our own packer, but that still means an extra tool 16.25.33 # but that is the only practical way of bundling everything into one file 16.27.09 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.27.09 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 16.27.22 # I would expect that using tar is way more easy than packing all bmps by hand for WPS designers 16.27.32 # even if there isn't such a tool in windows by default 16.27.34 # designers can easily pack related bitmaps 16.27.39 # but not unrelated ones 16.27.46 Join stewball`ghost [0] (n=WTFOMGBB@91.106.147.203) 16.28.06 # stuff like battery indicators, codec type bitmaps, etc, can go in one bitmap apiece 16.28.10 # Wouldn't having fewer files make designing a WPS easier? 16.28.20 # ^fewer bmp files 16.28.21 # it will even make life easier on designers, if you ask me 16.28.24 # yes 16.28.28 # my point 16.29.04 # amiconn: pong 16.29.32 # Looking at 7345 - is it really necessary to introduce a whole set of new tags? Couldn't we incorporate the behaviour into the existing conditional tag somehow? 16.29.33 # you can play sports in #rockbox-community 16.29.40 Join atsea- [0] (i=atsea-@gateway/tor/x-1069e5556f0215fd) 16.29.46 # linuxstb: i would really expect that, yes 16.30.05 # preglow: talking to me? :) 16.30.28 # markun: This was a font caching ping... 16.30.32 # linuxstb: then it's FS#7289 16.30.57 # amiconn: I still want to work on it 16.31.04 # (aka: any news on that matter?) 16.31.50 # Nico_P: But IIUC 7289 requires explicitly using parts of a bitmap. It would be nice if the wps code would automatically split an "bitmap strip" into X equal sized parts, and use those depending on a conditional. 16.31.56 # I think the bitmap strip idea might be a good compromise between number of files and hence loading time, work for designers, and tool requirements 16.32.08 # amiconn: I agree 16.32.20 # Codec type should also be a strip then 16.32.36 # ah, preglow mentioned that one already 16.32.48 # linuxstb: so something like %xA1? 16.33.09 # Not even that... 16.33.14 # then what? 16.36.00 # I was thinking of something like %fc?<%xia> - where %xi means treat the bitmap as an icon strip. 16.36.48 # But maybe I'm trying to simplify things too much... 16.37.31 # i think we should definitely make the strip approach mandatory 16.37.52 # it's already the way most skinning formats work, afaik 16.39.21 # linuxstb: that would require changes to the parser and is confusing IMO 16.39.30 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 16.40.29 Quit moos ("Rockbox rules the DAP world") 16.44.29 # great, a feature request for a target we don't support 16.44.59 # and some guy has started hacking our usb stack :| 16.45.13 # zagor should really start considering commiting his stuff 16.45.25 # hacking current code in svn or Zagor's code? 16.45.53 # Nico_P: OK, but do you understand my intention - i.e. not requiring the wps writer to explicitly specify the individual bitmaps within a strip? 16.46.50 Quit Tetris-Block () 16.46.52 # linuxstb: yes, but I think we need to come up with a tag 16.48.24 # Nico_P: I'm happy to leave the details to you ;l) 16.48.26 # s/l// 16.48.42 # preglow: Seems he has made good progress with USB though... 16.48.49 # :p I don't mind help though 16.50.27 # but what's sad - it looks like reinwenting the wheel 16.50.41 Join DogBoy [0] (n=john@66-101-59-100-static.dsl.oplink.net) 16.50.56 # desowin: Indeed. It's unfortunate he didn't see Zagor's patch... 16.51.30 # this whole usb thing is a huge duplication of efforts :( 16.53.00 # I hope he has good nerves when he'll see Zagor's patch 16.53.07 # True, I wish austriancoder was here more often (or at all...), same for the new guy... 16.54.07 # Someone should probably put a noite on #8189.. 16.54.19 # A "speak to Zagor" one 16.54.34 # Maybe let Zagor comment? 16.54.49 # That's what I was hinting at, badly. 16.55.20 # USB stacks are like buses. You wait for years, then 3 come along at once. 16.55.40 # And they're all full (i.e. don't work...) 16.56.04 # it's not a third one, seems he continued where ac left off 16.56.22 # Ah. I think that makes it worse... 16.56.26 # Poor guy 16.56.52 # Is ac's stuff in SVN? 16.57.02 # If so, it's entirely understandable. 16.57.03 # yes 16.57.27 # Yes, we can't blame him, it's just unfortunate... 16.57.54 # But shows how important communication is, rather than working silently by yourself... 16.57.55 # how close is ac's stack from actually working? 16.58.04 # Seems closer with that patch... 16.58.10 # not that far off, I'd say 16.58.33 # * amiconn prefers Zagor's approach 16.59.19 # linuxstb: I think maybe we don't use the ML enough and tend to take too much decisions on IRC, leaving out those who aren't there at the time 16.59.39 # + gblCBW.dCBWDataTransferLength -= MSD_IN_EP_SIZE; 16.59.47 # great looking code it is... 16.59.50 # Hmm, seems he's taken code from here - http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/AppNotes/MCHPMSD.zip 16.59.53 # I think we have too many communication channels... 16.59.55 # that's work for the code poslice :) 17.00.22 # yes it sounds as if he's gotten the code from there 17.01.22 # but the package has just an .exe inside 17.02.11 # pondlife: for devs or for everyone? 17.02.19 # It's an installer, it partly works under Wine, but doesn't install. Can a Windows user try it? 17.03.01 Join webguest69 [0] (i=c31ce03b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8a543adbb150fab9) 17.03.03 Join chuckn [0] (n=chuck@70.43.246.66.nw.nuvox.net) 17.03.09 # hi folks 17.03.49 # Nico_P: For both really 17.04.04 # OK, I installed it... 17.04.19 # is it ok for a newbie to ask a question here? 17.04.26 # Sure, fire away 17.04.31 # yes 17.05.16 # Bagder: The (C) headers say it is provided "for use solely and exclusively on Microchip PICmicro Microcontroller products.".... 17.05.27 # linuxstb: any idea why the mpegplayer settings should be writte to HDD when playback is paused? 17.05.28 # and it looks like it is the same code? 17.05.37 Join Administrador [0] (n=chatzill@bl8-173-104.dsl.telepac.pt) 17.05.49 # markun: I think I read jhMikeS say he's fixed that in his tree. 17.05.50 # thank, i am having trouble playing mp3's on my ipod 60 gig video. i am using version r15686-07119, and all my mp3 lock up after about 10 ecs 17.06.05 # Bagder: http://users.telenet.be/petur/MCHPMSD.zip 17.06.07 # markun: I think it's saving the resume position (which it shouldn't...) 17.06.19 # petur: thanks 17.06.20 # Bagder: Hello! 17.06.26 # linuxstb: I was going to remove it, but I'll wait for mike 17.06.30 Nick Administrador is now known as Casainho (n=chatzill@bl8-173-104.dsl.telepac.pt) 17.06.51 # markun: i think it is to preserve the resume position in case of an idle shutdown. 17.07.02 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 17.07.09 # I thought mpegplayer disabled the idle shutdown? 17.07.12 # chuckn: what version of rockbox are you running? 17.07.19 # yes, the code looks very similar... 17.07.24 # rb->reset_poweroff_timer(); 17.07.38 # but not in paused mode 17.07.40 # same names, same indent level, same style 17.08.05 Quit webguest69 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 17.08.09 Join webguest69 [0] (i=c31ce03b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ab4f238cf089fec6) 17.08.17 # Those aren't the sort of variable names you get coincidences with... ;) 17.08.20 # versiob r15686-07119, but this has been happening with every version i have tried for the past month 17.08.45 # linuxstb: would be nice if the close function of a running plugin could be called on shutdown 17.09.08 # Doesn't the plugin get a shutdown message? 17.09.24 # * Bagder runs off 17.09.33 # linuxstb: no idea 17.10.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.12.00 Quit webguest69 (Client Quit) 17.12.01 # Shutdown is a mess atm 17.12.13 Quit CaptainSquid ("Miranda IM!") 17.12.20 # Another area I *need* work on :/ 17.12.25 # +to 17.13.52 Quit Casainho ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.9/2007102514]") 17.16.10 Join Casainho [0] (n=chatzill@bl8-173-104.dsl.telepac.pt) 17.16.57 Join J3TC- [0] (n=jetc123@wlrsvd-168.njit.edu) 17.19.02 # chuckn: when did you install (or update) your bootloader? And how does your player lock up, do you get an error message or what happens? 17.20.52 # i reinstalled the bootloader last week. the ipod just goes blank except for the line "now playing" at the top of the screen, but nothing is playing and i have to reset the player to get anything to work again 17.21.08 Quit XavierGr ("One firmware to rule them all!") 17.21.43 Nick Casainho is now known as chaaa (n=chatzill@bl8-173-104.dsl.telepac.pt) 17.22.03 Nick chaaa is now known as Casainho (n=chatzill@bl8-173-104.dsl.telepac.pt) 17.22.13 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp176-211.adsl.forthnet.gr) 17.22.19 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 17.23.38 # markun: could it be that your latest change to the viewer causes that nothing ges saves if the position in the text hasn't changed? for example if only the encoding setting was changed, but not the position. 17.23.45 # chuckn: You could try resetting your settings - Settings -> Manage Settings -> Reset Settings and then reboot (hold down PLAY/PAUSE to cleanly shutdown, then power it back on again). 17.24.03 # is that with an svn build from the rockbox site? Do you or maybe did you have an unsupported build installed at some point in time? 17.27.35 # PaulJam: are you sure the encoding gets saved? 17.28.25 Join Buschel [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3E415.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.28.27 # ok, i reset the settings, and rebooted. when i tried playing a podcast mps 3, it played for 9 secs, and then stopped, this time with a message undefined instruction at 2 17.29.04 # PaulJam: I also think if should be saved, as should the other display options 17.29.13 # markun: no, it doesn't unless i scroll a bit, so the textposition changes. 17.29.40 # PaulJam: are we looking at the same function? (viewer_save_settings) 17.30.13 # PaulJam: wait, I think you are right.. oops 17.30.30 # i tried it on the target. 17.30.41 # PaulJam: I will fix it 17.30.46 # * pixelma doesn't like those commits that change important things (or at least seem so) but come almost out of nowhere and the committer doesn't show up here :\ 17.30.48 # thanks 17.31.15 # pixelma: and which are usually by the same guy.. 17.32.25 # would revoking commit rights be a good way to persuade someone to communicate more? 17.32.37 # Might well be! 17.33.02 # What are we talking about? 17.33.07 # I'd say, no commit without being on IRC at the time would be a reasonable rule... 17.33.24 # austriancoder's commit 17.33.38 # (or austriancoder ?) 17.33.51 # pixelma: Plus your Italian friend? 17.33.56 # when did he get commit rights ? 17.34.09 # pixelma: did you get in touch with Alessio Lenzi? 17.34.37 # GodEater: I think he's had them for a long time - I can't recall him getting them... 17.34.38 # if I remember well, the IRC "hint" is even in the standard invitation mail, no? 17.35.24 # markun: hmmno, forgot about it... 17.35.27 # It's just an invitation to join #rockbox, rather than a hint that it's expected. 17.35.27 # * preglow tries to figure out how wavtrim.c works 17.36.04 # linuxstb: I think communicating big changes should become more than a hint 17.36.05 # Most committers are willing and able to pop in here when they're active, no? 17.36.26 # Yes, most devs hang out here whilst developing... 17.36.32 # simple threshold check 17.36.36 # linuxstb: he could also post a message on the list if he doesn't like irc 17.37.02 # i don't care how, as long as he does 17.37.05 # i'd expect rather irc or ml 17.37.12 # none of them aren't acceptable 17.37.18 # as in, using none of them :> 17.37.21 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A50AA.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.37.29 Join Vapre [0] (i=42cf43b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4c8c8c05d76a4eff) 17.37.48 # And he didn't fix the mas header file as promised... 17.37.56 # (unless I missed that....) 17.38.47 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 17.39.26 # Hi everyone, just wanted to give a quick 'thank you' to the developers. This is a great program, I put it on a Sansa e250 and am amazed by the added functionality. I plan on adding it to a 2G ipod Mini and a 5G video. 17.40.16 # nice to know Vapre - I am also happy for RockBox on my sansa 17.40.33 Quit XavierGr ("One firmware to rule them all!") 17.40.51 Join endor [0] (n=endor@i59F77E29.versanet.de) 17.41.26 # markun: concerning the bookmarking in the viewer, what do you think about only creating a bookmark on request? so don't create a bookmark when pressing STOP, but extend the menu by an entry like "Bookmark & Quit". just came to my mind. on most files you propably don't need a bookmark even if the textposition has changed. 17.41.27 # why, all this thanking makes me feel i've deserved a beer 17.41.42 # Mmmm.. 17.42.01 # PaulJam: good idea 17.42.08 # Nico_P: You didn't commit the second part of FS#8104? 17.42.15 # pondlife: just did 17.42.18 # Ah, thanks 17.42.35 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp176-211.adsl.forthnet.gr) 17.42.36 # I don't know if it worked, but the simplification is welcome 17.43.04 # it looks perfectly fine 17.43.08 # Nico_P: #ifdef SIMULATOR seems a little hackish... 17.43.10 # Do we still suffer from having -1 tracks buffered? 17.43.19 # pondlife: no 17.43.29 # linuxstb: why? 17.43.30 # i have a question concerning mp3 encoding. after the polyphase filter divided the signal into different subbands.. it says that time samples get converted to frequency samples through mdct. i dont really understand the difference between time samples and frequency samples. is there someone who can shortly tell me what it is? 17.43.54 # Nico_P: apps/ code shouldn't behave differently depending on target (or sim/real device). 17.43.55 # preglow: then let me additionally thank _you_ for comitting my (small) patch! :) 17.44.06 # Nico_P: (Where possible of course...) 17.46.48 # linuxstb: that would require making sim_read sleep... not sure it would be welcome 17.47.04 Join roolku [0] (n=roolku@82-41-2-141.cable.ubr01.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 17.47.26 # PaulJam: I will fix the settings bug later, have to get food 17.47.29 # Buschel: haha, no problem 17.48.28 # markun/ PaulJam: I would really like to be able to flipp back and forth between different files without using the menu - at least have a different button for quitting with resume saving 17.49.05 # Nico_P: Why was it a problem anyway? 17.49.06 # also "not saving", as it is done now leaves the resume file in an undefinded state 17.49.21 Part agm3nt 17.49.44 # linuxstb: it's not much of a problem, but the sim used to behave differently (intantaneous buffering) 17.50.44 # roolku: can you explain? 17.51.18 # Nico_P: not on the latest build, but I haven't seen any changes that would likely impact it since. I had a weird bug this morning where I hit skip forward from the last track on buffer and it skipped to the first track on buffer (back 4 songs-ish), was able to skip forward to the end of the buffer and on to the first unbuffered track after that. 17.51.24 # markun: at the start the bookmark files is reshuffled so the current files slot moves to the front of the file 17.51.56 # roolku: I have to look into it a big more then :( 17.51.58 # thanks 17.52.04 # markun: if no bookmark is saved this slot contains undefinded content (depending where the bookmark was for the current file) 17.52.05 # lostlogic: very strange indeed 17.52.24 # should I revert my commit for the time being or is it enough that I fix it later? 17.53.09 # Nico_P: Better to make sim_read sleep like the real one, if possible. 17.53.11 Quit endor ("leaving") 17.53.12 # or fix it quickly enough and hope that nobody notices ;) 17.53.32 # roolku: will try that last one then :) 17.53.36 # lostlogic: btw, why in queue_wait_w_tmo does the timeout value depend on "filling"? 17.54.21 # Nico_P: if the buffer is filling, we don't want to sit up there waiting for a command, if there is not one immediately available, we want to fall through ASAP to continue filling the buffer. 17.55.13 # lostlogic: then aren't the values reversed? 17.55.16 # markun: please don't forget (I rely on bookmarking quite heavily and don't want a corrupted bookmark file) 17.55.31 # lostlogic: oh no sorry I'm dumb 17.55.44 # I was reading 5 as "5 secs" 17.55.50 # hehe :) 17.55.51 Join Frazz [0] (n=Fraser@thelawsons.plus.com) 17.56.01 # I was about to be like "5 ticks << 1/2s, I hope..." 17.56.15 # While we're talking bookmarks, are bookmarks supported on the MicroSD cards on Sansas? 17.56.20 Join OlivierBorowski [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-157-1-112-9.w90-6.abo.wanadoo.fr) 17.56.22 Join jpt9 [0] (n=jpt9@32.138.147.22) 17.56.26 # Nico_P: a 0 timeout might make more sense, I'm not positive. 17.56.51 # yeah, maybe 17.57.11 # I think that the audio thread in pre-mob world used a zero when filling. 17.58.03 # Does anyone else think we should delete all the WPSGallery entries that don't work... 17.58.15 # hey. is there any way you guys could add a separate volume control for the voice? i'm not sure how loud the voices are recorded, but a lot of the time, i can't hear them over the music. 17.58.28 # lostlogic: yes, it did 17.58.36 # pondlife: I would prefer that we just delete the WPS Gallery and move to rockbox-themes.org... 17.58.37 # jpt9: It's kind-of-planned 17.58.51 # Me too, but that also needs lots of deletes 17.59.06 # define "kind-of" 17.59.07 # I'd like to start with a blank set and only add good WPSes to it 17.59.11 # Isn't the plan for scorche's new site to start blank? 17.59.25 # jpt9: We ere talking about a proper mixer a day or 2 ago. 17.59.30 # were, even 17.59.52 # That would allow the voice and music volume to be separate 18.00.02 # Plus the beeps and game sound.. 18.00.14 # cool. 18.00.23 # But it's just talk at the mo 18.00.45 # So there would be independent volume controls? 18.01.01 # don't we already have a beep level control? 18.01.05 # hrm 18.01.06 # or is it beep length? 18.01.34 # or you could have it split the audio in stereo -- have the music move to the left when it's talking, and play the menus to the right. 18.02.06 # it's level. but there are only 3 settings (plus off). 18.02.41 Quit linuxstb ("Leaving") 18.04.05 # i'm curious -- what's different in the new (v2) e200s that prevents rockbox from running on them? 18.05.43 Join linuxstb [0] (n=chatzill@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 18.08.05 Quit idnar (Nick collision from services.) 18.08.08 Join idnar_ [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 18.08.49 # wavtrim really badly mangles some clips 18.08.59 # jpt9: someone in the forums who had a v2 c200 opened it and said that there is quite different hardware in it. But it's quite vague so far and e.g. I haven't heard of someone owning a v2 e200 till today 18.09.46 Part Casainho 18.10.44 # that kinda sucks. i'm not sure if they've completely replaced the old models in all the stores, but i have an e250R from woot, and I might want the 8GB model some day. 18.10.53 # eh? does our in-svn usb work with the final patch? ac certainly gives that impression 18.11.33 # jpt9, i recall seeing reports that having a 3.0 firmware prevents rockbox from installing, but i don't know that there's been any testing done. 18.11.47 # lostlogic: I think I have the fix for FS#8040 18.11.59 # pondlife: linuxstb: i plan on putting big red text marking not to use it...keeping it around for 2-3 weeks or so for people to move what they can to the new site, then deleting 18.12.30 # scorche|w: You're talking about the WPS Gallery? 18.12.36 # yes 18.12.37 # (or the existing themes site?) 18.12.48 # OK, so we'll move over WPSes that meet certain criteria, right? 18.12.59 # soap-seal-of-approval seems reasonable. 18.13.30 Quit XavierGr () 18.13.59 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp176-211.adsl.forthnet.gr) 18.14.07 # preglow: As he appears to just have copied and pasted non-GPL'd code, it's not committable anyway... 18.14.07 # pondlife: copy.rockbox-themes.org/guidelines.php 18.14.55 # can you tell all the theme authors that even though rockbox lets you put tons of info on the WPS, that doesn't necessarily mean you *have* to? 18.14.58 # preglow: what final patch? 18.14.59 Quit Vapre ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 18.15.00 # linuxstb: well, no, but it wouldn't exactly be much work to reimplement 18.15.14 # Nico_P: the one that was submitted a couple of hours ago 18.15.15 # scorche|w: Thanks 18.15.17 # Nico_P: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8189 18.15.27 # ah yeah, didn't see the comments there 18.15.31 # jpt9, you can always rip some of it out easy enough 18.16.05 # wavtrim.c really badly mangles some files 18.16.11 # espeak numerals, for example 18.16.22 # yeah... then again, i'm not sure how the rockbox user base and th 18.16.51 # scorche|w: Why bother with themes for unsupported builds at all? 18.16.52 # those with good graphic design sense overlap... 18.17.33 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@f051100073.adsl.alicedsl.de) 18.18.24 Part pondlife ("Gone") 18.19.42 # pondlife: because i am aiming to completely replace all theme sites to have just one site for everything...this way, it encourages more to come to this site instead of others (and that i am completely replacing r-t.org which held a lot of unsupported themes, and it is nicer to keep one place for people to come to) 18.19.56 # it is also a matter of control...having one site for everything :) 18.20.07 Quit chuckn ("Leaving") 18.20.09 # damn it... my copy of rockbox is out of date already :-) you guys kick ass! 18.21.03 # pondlife: It will also make it possible for us to adapt themes that need patches to work with the offiicial builds (either immediately or in the future), as the licensing situation will be clear. 18.23.37 # scorche|w: what is this themename.txt you mention near the end of the guidlines page? 18.24.33 # PaulJam something that needs to be taken out 18.24.42 # oh yeah... is there anything within the sansa that would interfere with the radio around 96.1MHz. there's definitely a signal, but there's no audio - it's completely quiet. i think i might have heard some electronic interference a few times; not sure. 18.25.44 # PaulJam: i made the script auto-generate the txt files, and i seem to have missed that one while taking out the guidelines about it 18.26.10 # jpt9, do you get the same problem in the OF? 18.26.36 # not sure - lemme check. 18.27.14 # btw, I am honored to see the scrollwheel patch submitted :) 18.28.12 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 18.29.11 Quit kubiix (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.29.28 # yes. and there's definitely electronic noises on 95.9... 18.29.46 Join austriancoder [0] (n=austrian@rockbox/developer/austriancoder) 18.29.50 # oh, i like that the builds are now named rockbox-target.zip 18.30.39 Quit MethoS- (Remote closed the connection) 18.30.50 Nick advcomp2019_ is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@66.172.231.192) 18.31.11 # for one thing, it makes the noise whenever the screen and wheel lights turn on. 18.34.00 Quit atsea- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.35.00 # roolku: better not update yet, it looks like I broke quite some things in the viewer :( 18.35.42 # Nico_P: glad to hear you're fixing 8040 -- not that I use it, but I know a lot of users are looking forward to its fix. 18.35.46 # markun: yep, I had that suspicion when I saw the diff 18.35.48 Quit jpt9 ("Leaving") 18.35.48 Quit petur ("work->home") 18.36.06 # lostlogic: yeah, was quite a simple fix really, I should've done it earlier 18.36.29 # now I think I don't have much left to do but finish the callback stuff to fix FS#8092 :p 18.36.59 # markun: I think at a minimum you need to save the current position in the first slot (which could be overridden when you quit) 18.37.03 # hmm maybe I could do cue with MoB 18.37.23 # roolku: well, didn't remove that, did I? 18.38.19 # and do you always want to move the current file to the top, even if you didn't change the position within the file? 18.38.38 # markun: not sure what you mean? I thought your intention was not to write the resume position at the end under certain circumstances 18.38.58 Join male [0] (n=male@adsl-155-193-69.mem.bellsouth.net) 18.39.19 # markun: how can you know at this point that the position will not be changed? 18.39.45 # markun: the shuffling has to be done at the start, as it uses the text buffer 18.40.31 # Slasheri: it seems that my sansa is blocking all file-operations during database update (possibly only if it's an automatic update). Is this expected? 18.40.44 # roolku: then it's not possible, no 18.41.28 # Nico_P: don't we also have the gapless bug to fix? The callback stuff would probably also make that easy to do. 18.41.46 # lostlogic: how would it make it easy? 18.42.04 # preglow: wavtrim checks for a threshold, then backs aout a bit iirc 18.42.11 # markun: also there is the special case that there was no bookmark for this file that complicates matters 18.42.25 # The threshold is settable, and the old vbscript had this threshold set per engine 18.42.43 # voice.pl just uses a fixed threshold 18.43.52 # markun: oops. I never realised you had committed a fix - let's have a read 18.43.57 # This is mostly because I coulndn't see any difference from fiddling with the threshold, so I just set a more or less random value 18.45.21 # It depends on the noise floor of the engine. If you set the threshold lower than that, you get excessive gaps between clips 18.45.39 # roolku: that was not a fix, but another 'feature' :) 18.45.58 # markun: yes, I noticed :) 18.46.52 # Nico_P: if there's a I'm done buffering this handle callback it will make it easy to strip the tags 18.47.10 # maybe wavtrim was broken or something, because I tried a bunch of different values, high and low, and got no difference at all 18.47.18 # or I was using it wrong, all possible 18.47.24 # Should be easy to make it an option 18.49.08 # ah, nice. a fix for the gather runtime feature. thank you Nico_P. 18.49.20 # lostlogic: hmm yeah... but we'd still need something like "buf_trim_handle", wouldn't we? 18.49.33 # PaulJam: thanks :) Have you tried it? 18.50.36 # i have just updated my build. i'll let you know if i notice anything unusual. 18.51.19 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@p5B23FBD5.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.55.57 Join nanok [0] (n=nanok@194.145.183.75) 18.58.32 Join [1]seb [0] (n=seb@port-212-202-41-195.dynamic.qsc.de) 18.59.07 # <[1]seb> hi, is there a guitar tuner plugin? 19.01.02 # [1]seb: I don't think there is 19.01.35 # <[1]seb> hmm, ok, anyone ever tried to code one? 19.02.44 # [1]seb: no idea, maybe google can help you out 19.02.52 Join Siku [0] (i=Siku@e81-197-76-6.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 19.02.55 # <[1]seb> ok, thanks, c u 19.03.01 Quit kclaf (Remote closed the connection) 19.03.10 # [1]seb: that's actually not such a bad idea, and should be relatively easy to do 19.03.23 # What kind of tuner? 19.03.33 # Just a reference tone? 19.04.41 # male: i think he is thinking of usng the mic and having a visual cue on the display to say when the tuning is correct 19.04.53 # does someone know how i can see if a m4a file is cbr or vbr? rockbox shows cbr in the WPS, but the fact that every file of this album has a different bitrate suggests that they are vbr. 19.04.59 # <[1]seb> i think of a display showing you to tune up or down 19.05.00 # On which target? That's pretty CPU intensive. 19.05.05 # at least this would be, in my view, a "cool" plugin 19.05.18 # <[1]seb> yeah, exactly 19.05.21 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 19.05.29 # How about a strobe tuner so you put your DAP under your strings and strum ;-) 19.05.35 # Nico_P: yeah, but that would be relatively trivial I think. 19.05.52 # it would only get supah weird when the handle is already playing and needs trimmed 19.06.03 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=chatzill@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 19.06.14 # <[1]seb> dap? = digital player 19.06.18 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 19.06.19 # but even there it might be no problem, not sure how codecs react to their mp3_info having a greater file size than the buffer returns. 19.06.25 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=chatzill@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 19.06.46 # nanok: how are you going to determine the pitch? 19.06.46 # male: you think it would be intensive? 19.07.16 # fft? 19.07.17 # male: oh, don;t ask me, i have to dig a lot about that before i can talk details :) 19.07.18 # Quite. 19.07.19 Quit J3TC- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.07.26 # At least if you don't want huge latencies. 19.07.31 # but i am sure there are a bunch of oss projects there for inspiration 19.07.36 # for pc;s ofcourse 19.07.46 Join H2Glitch2007 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-71-153-170-212.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) 19.07.55 # nanok: "19:03 < nanok> [...] should be relatively easy to do" 19.07.58 # There are many GPL tuners for linux you could use code from. 19.08.14 # markun: maybe i was a bit hasty :) 19.08.21 # i have a quick question does rockbox support avi files 19.08.28 # H2Glitch2007: it doesn't 19.08.28 # H2Glitch2007, no 19.08.35 # markun: i was just thinking about it now and realised there are some things i don;t hav clear about this 19.08.46 # thanks 19.09.03 Part H2Glitch2007 19.09.17 # nanok: if the wavform from a guitar string was a perfect sine wave it would not have been that difficult 19.09.20 # markun: it felt simple at first because i have a very simple hardware device for my guitar, one of those cheap electronic tuners 19.09.44 # Those cheap tuners are NOT simple. 19.10.00 # markun: maybe it can be interpolated or maybe modulates to something close to that.. 19.10.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.10.20 # (and they're not electronic, they're digital) 19.10.22 # male: hmm, thinking of it now, yes, you are probably right :) 19.10.54 # but it does sound like cool app to have 19.10.56 # <[1]seb> hmm. the guitar tuner is not too easy i see 19.11.01 # A tuner that generates a reference is far simpler, such as a strobe tuner or a pitch pipe. 19.11.22 # maybe i can dig more about it if i find some time (i would like to understand more about it). ofcourse i won;t be able to code it, but still.. 19.12.19 # male: you mean to have the "listener" match it by hearing to what the guitar produces? 19.12.21 Join bertrik [0] (n=Bertrik_@121-021-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 19.12.37 # gtg, be back later 19.13.29 # * desowin don't quite see why guitar tuner on portable player would be useful....but maybe it's because I have nice digitech RP200 19.13.54 # Seems silly to me too, considering how cheap digital tuners are these days. 19.15.00 # I mean, on a PC you can get higher resolution or microtuning or a histogram, but on a DAP a tuner would be far more limited. 19.15.17 # <[1]seb> where's the fun in engineering these days :P? 19.15.28 # Unless your player has a 2Ghz CPU. 19.16.29 # If you want to engineer, build a distortion pedal or something else that really IS as simple as it looks ;-) 19.17.09 # amiconn: well, i've tried, and it cuts too much 19.17.32 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 19.18.12 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@79.20.210.185) 19.20.15 # amiconn: i even tried using 50 as a threshold, it has to have some other bug 19.21.17 Part [1]seb 19.26.20 Quit Buschel () 19.27.46 Quit stewball`ghost () 19.28.41 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=chatzill@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 19.29.37 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 19.29.39 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=chatzill@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 19.32.29 Quit rasher ("leaving") 19.38.23 # amiconn: try making espeak generating a clip saying "two", then wavtrim that and listen to the result 19.38.28 # amiconn: "three" also works 19.38.29 # * Nico_P is going to have access to the archos 604 and 104 with probably hefty rebates tomorrow 19.39.48 # Nico_P: do you want to start a new port? 19.40.06 # Is there a "v2" of the e200 series as well as the c200? 19.40.15 # pixelma: I have really small knowledge of everything lowlevel 19.40.37 # linuxstb, i heard there is 19.40.43 # linuxstb: not sure, but there were rumours 19.41.55 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 19.42.06 # linuxstb: from the BuyersGuide page: "The Sansa c200 series seems to have a new "v2" model available. These can be distinguished from a v1 easily by looking for the line "Supports Audible audio file formats" on the product's description on the packaging. Rockbox does not work on these v2 models; they appear to be using a new chipset." 19.42.35 # but here more info about the e200v2s.. http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21279 19.42.58 # Don't make me go to ABI... 19.44.28 # sorry but someone posted info about the e200v2s tho 19.44.38 # Genre9mp3, how did you license iCatcher? CC-by-SA? 19.44.52 # advcomp2019: ;) OK, so it seems they're not released yet though? 19.45.23 # yea.. that is what is sounds like 19.45.25 Nick billenium is now known as BIllenium (n=billeniu@c-69-249-243-110.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 19.45.31 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 19.45.32 Nick BIllenium is now known as Billenium (n=billeniu@c-69-249-243-110.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 19.45.41 # linuxstb: the sandisk firmware updater only lists different firmwares for c200 v1 and v2... http://www.sandisk.com/Retail/Default.aspx?CatID=1376 19.46.11 # not sure if that's up to date though 19.46.58 # pixelma: Thanks. I was reading this thread, and was wondering if the reply was accurate - http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=13865.0 19.48.31 # yeah, I saw that thread and my impression was that there is something else going wrong (or he's doing wrong) but I don't think I know enough to comment on this 19.50.01 # krazykit: I'm not good at legal matters, since it's bundled with Rockbox is licensed under that, isn't it? 19.50.58 # Genre9mp3, i was under the impression the author decided the license. 19.51.11 Join rasher [0] (n=rasher@rockbox/developer/rasher) 19.51.23 # Probably not, it's more likely to be licensed under the GPL, but it's not clear... And yes, as krazykit said, the author decides the license. 19.51.55 # GPL sounds good to me 19.51.56 # Genre9mp3: Did you create iCatcher originally? 19.52.59 # linuxstb: the graphics contained in it you mean? 19.53.21 # I mean the whole wps - I don't know where it came from... 19.53.49 # i'm concerned with it because i wanted to release a derivative of it and didn't want to mislicense it 19.54.42 # linuxstb: well, yes, It's not based on any other wps or program 19.55.10 # I think we're moving to CC-SA for all themes/wpses - that's what's used for rockbox-themes.org, so it might be helpful to change the included WPSes to use the same license, if all the authors agree. 19.56.03 Quit japc (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.56.59 # really, the WPSs in svn SHOULD have their licenses stated, and i don't think any of them do. 19.57.56 # krazykit: on a side notice, feel free to release whatever derivative of it you want 19.58.33 # thanks :-) 20.00.37 Join Madden [0] (n=Madden@169.Red-83-36-253.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) 20.01.20 # Hi, Wondering if there is a release for ipod nano video 4gig yet? or if its in production...? 20.03.54 # Madden: no, and as far as i know noone is currently working on a port. 20.04.09 # :( thanks 20.05.20 # know any other rockbox style stuff that might let ya play games and things? 20.06.45 # No, if there was others, then that work would be being used to help port Rockbox to it. 20.08.08 # the g3 nano is encrypted and the hardware is undocumented. so it might never run 3rd party software. 20.08.12 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 20.08.19 # shite :( 20.08.35 # well its not for me so its not as important hheh 20.08.56 # thanks ofr the info, gotta run :) hasta luago 20.09.47 Quit Madden ("Leaving") 20.10.52 # roolku: ping 20.20.09 Join zicho [0] (n=martin@c-2198e355.68-7-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 20.26.38 Nick idnar_ is now known as idnar (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 20.28.36 Quit advcomp2019 ("Leaving") 20.28.56 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@cpe-70-113-103-34.austin.res.rr.com) 20.30.56 Part XavierGr 20.31.28 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@69.92.201.36) 20.31.39 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@83.233.243.232) 20.31.44 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp176-211.adsl.forthnet.gr) 20.37.39 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 20.38.41 Join PaulPosition [0] (n=noneofye@modemcable228.133-82-70.mc.videotron.ca) 20.38.58 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.39.19 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF6932.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.39.51 Join Arathis2 [0] (n=doerk@p508A40AB.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.41.23 # Nico_P: i player now one albun completely and then looked at the recently playerd entry in the database: tracks 1,2,3,5,6,8,9 and 10 got added but not tracks 4,7 and 11. so it looks as if there is still something wrong with the gather runtime feature. do you think i should rebuild the database and try again? 20.41.50 # Hmm.. On H10 (and surely many other devices), recording gain is only 0db or +20db.. Is that because of the internal mic hardware or because of the sound chip? (ie, would it be the same anyway with line-in?) 20.43.44 # on my M5 it's similar - built-in mic gain is also only 0dB or +20dB, there are more steps for line-in though (just got the possibility to test) 20.45.11 Join chuck [0] (n=chuck@70.43.246.66.nw.nuvox.net) 20.46.08 Join J3TC- [0] (n=jetc123@wlrsvd-168.njit.edu) 20.47.00 # Hmm.. Then I might try to build myself a cable and see... :) 20.47.33 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 20.49.02 Quit ompaul (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.53.38 Quit DaCapn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.54.23 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.54.24 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 20.54.26 Join lee-qid_ [0] (n=liqid@p54965EEC.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.57.44 Quit Arathis (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.59.21 Join hunz [0] (n=hunz@dslb-084-056-006-125.pools.arcor-ip.net) 20.59.46 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 21.04.09 Quit jhulst (No route to host) 21.06.40 # hi again 21.10.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.10.28 # PaulJam: no need to rebuild the database 21.10.47 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.11.06 Join hannesd_ [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 21.11.19 Quit GodEater (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.25.35 Part hunz 21.27.46 Quit hannesd (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.27.47 Nick hannesd_ is now known as hannesd (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 21.30.58 Quit zicho (Remote closed the connection) 21.34.17 # Nico_P: Quite a lot of Code for such a fix... 21.34.31 # amiconn: the gradiend fix? 21.35.04 # yes 21.36.41 # yeah I didn't really expect the binsize would increase that much... it's only on targets for which we don't care too much though 21.37.31 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 21.37.40 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 21.37.47 # that's a weird attitude though (you should always care) ;) 21.37.59 # amiconn: I'm not sure how it could be simplified though 21.38.17 # pixelma: I'm not saying I don't care... but it's not like those targets are the sensitive ones 21.39.06 # I'm not sure either. As I don't use the gradient, I don't even know what the problem was 21.39.29 # But the code looks quite cumbersome to me 21.39.39 # scrolling would make the gradient go back to being one line only 21.39.42 # * linuxstb now just sees even more complex code that needs to be ported to viewports... 21.42.30 # Ah, yes 21.42.38 # * amiconn just tried it on X5 21.42.49 Quit chuck ("Leaving") 21.43.15 # It's quite difficult to find a place where there's more than one line selected in a list *and* the text needs to scroll... 21.43.28 # linuxstb: I don't think it needs to be ported to viewports... it should just work 21.43.53 # amiconn: yeah, that's why I didn't bother too much about it... but idak posted a patch 21.43.57 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@pD955DE98.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.44.22 # Imo the whole gradient thing should be implemented differently 21.44.37 # how should it be done? 21.45.40 Quit J3TC- (".•«UPP»•.") 21.47.04 Quit Siku () 21.47.12 # The current method even needs support from the app layer :/ 21.47.35 # away 21.48.43 Join advcomp2019 [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 21.52.09 Join J3TC- [0] (n=jetc123@dhcp77-140.njit.edu) 21.54.14 Join Tetris-Block [0] (n=End@roxy-16.dynamic2.rpi.edu) 21.54.23 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 21.54.26 # amiconn: that's because the driver layer isn't aware of the number of selected lines 21.55.06 # Yeah, but this special-casing *will* break with viewports 21.55.22 # ...because the driver won't know about consectutive scrolling lines 21.55.52 # hmm... then maybe we need something intermediate to draw the line selector 21.57.06 Quit advcomp2019 (Nick collision from services.) 21.57.14 Nick advcomp2019_ is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 21.57.15 # Imo we don't. The app layer should just tell the driver the colours to use for a gradient 21.58.09 # I think that the gradient can be handled without line drawing, by having a special background setting that reads colours from an array 21.58.16 # I could live without a gradient line selector 21.58.47 # Yeah, me too, but it seems to be a popular feature :/ 22.00.21 # amiconn: I'm not following you... what would be in the array? 22.00.28 # the color steps? 22.00.41 Quit Genre9mp3 (Nick collision from services.) 22.00.42 Join Genre9mp4 [0] (n=yngwiejo@rockbox/contributor/Genre9mp3) 22.00.51 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 22.00.59 # The colours for each pixel line of the gradient 22.01.01 Nick Genre9mp4 is now known as Genre9mp3 (n=yngwiejo@rockbox/contributor/Genre9mp3) 22.01.07 Quit advcomp2019 (Nick collision from services.) 22.01.09 Nick advcomp2019_ is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 22.01.44 Quit desowin ("use linux") 22.02.29 Join xaj [0] (i=invigora@dialup-4.156.81.239.Dial1.Boston1.Level3.net) 22.02.50 # * markun goes to fix red.. 22.03.09 # amiconn: but what about variable selection size? 22.03.44 Part xaj 22.03.51 # would the bitmap approach that was discussed sometime ago help here? 22.03.56 # Well, the app layer knows how many lines are selected, and hence can calculate the array(s) accordingly 22.04.11 Join deflated [0] (n=tim@pD955C578.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.04.40 # Does Rockbox support the iPod Nano 2G? 22.04.48 Join ForgottenMemorie [0] (n=Xwlilxaz@cpe-075-177-170-087.nc.res.rr.com) 22.05.02 # deflated: no 22.05.06 # deflated: No. All supported players are listed on the frontpage. 22.05.18 # (including what's not supported) 22.05.29 # Ok, thank you. :) 22.05.31 # amiconn: yeah I think I see... I won't have time to look at it this evening but I might try later 22.05.31 # In fact, the 2g nano is specifically listed as unsupported 22.05.40 # ... 22.05.42 # Ok. 22.05.45 # Bye. 22.05.47 # 2G Nano is unsupported for..? 22.05.49 Join ZEA [0] (n=astrolux@a83-132-141-199.cpe.netcabo.pt) 22.05.55 # hi. does rockbox submit to last.fm? 22.06.04 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 22.06.07 # deflated: bye 22.06.29 # 2G - if that means second generation 22.06.34 Quit jhMikeS (Client Quit) 22.06.39 Part deflated 22.06.51 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 22.07.19 # pixelma: hm, too late.. 22.07.21 # ZEA: yes, you can log to a file and have it submitted using qtscrobbler 22.07.23 # umm.. I ned help, my ipod is blank/dead it wont' turn on at all watever I do, plug it into charger or into the computer the computer can't detect it and it stays blank, I tried reseted it but it doesn't work. Any other ideas? 22.07.43 # petur: awesome :) thanks 22.08.20 # petur: that gives me a reason to install rockbox on my iaudio x5. hope to find out more in the process :) 22.08.44 # ForgottenMemorie: Obvious question, but exactly what are you doing to try and reset it? 22.09.20 # switching it into hold then unhold and holding Menu + Select for 20 seconds 22.09.44 # I can kind of hear my ipod on when I put it clsoe to my hear but the screen is just...blank... 22.10.17 # What did you do before your ipod stopped working? 22.10.54 Join Workaphobia [0] (n=Jonathan@corenet-a-158.dynamic.rpi.edu) 22.11.15 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@89-125-27-10.dhcp-ripwave.irishbroadband.ie) 22.11.46 # hmm weird, the greek lang file has ids that are not present on the english lang file anymore 22.11.56 # is this a side effect from langv2? 22.12.00 # I was messing around with rockbox, then I plugged it into my computer and it stayed on the apple screen and wouldn't detect, then when I unplugged it it just.. died. -_- 22.12.08 # should I just start over from a fresh english lang file? 22.12.25 Quit rasher ("leaving") 22.12.35 # * barrywardell wonders what is causing the problem with his server 22.12.43 Join rasher_ [0] (n=rasher@rockbox/developer/rasher) 22.12.49 Nick rasher_ is now known as rasher (n=rasher@rockbox/developer/rasher) 22.13.22 Join japc [0] (n=japc@bl7-243-193.dsl.telepac.pt) 22.13.55 # XavierGr: most probably because of langV2... 22.14.31 Quit lee-qid_ ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 22.14.41 # XavierGr: I doubt it matters besides cluttering the sourcefile 22.14.46 Quit Domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.15.02 Join daan [0] (n=daan@h8441151018.dsl.speedlinq.nl) 22.15.11 # Or rather, I'm fairly certain it doesn't. 22.15.38 # rasher: thing is that it is now too difficult to see what is untranslated because some ids are elsewhere or nowhere to be found, but let me check something first 22.16.14 # I started with a new german lang file when I transformed it to langV2 because the order was also completely different. Not necessary for the function but makes it easier to maintain... 22.16.31 # the initial work was tedious though... 22.17.06 # pixelma: yes, I think I will just do that, long process but more clean and I guess that I will do that once 22.17.17 # then updating shouldn't be too difficult 22.17.21 # thanks for clearing that up 22.17.23 Quit Frazz ("Leaving") 22.17.31 # genlang can create a new .lang file from the old one and english.lang with the postions which need work marken (and iirc also correct order) 22.18.14 # ah so the wiki command is still valid 22.18.22 # thanks I will try that first 22.19.05 # there are a few parts that you can copy from the old (like VOICE_A to VOICE_Z for example, so I sliced the old into pieces one by one) 22.20.22 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.9/2007102514]") 22.20.52 # so how is voice these days (after the speex commit), no more random crashes when enabled (or strange behaviour)? 22.23.01 # Haven't tested it personally, but it seems there are issues, but more likely to be tracked down and killed 22.23.21 Join radinp [0] (n=Philip_R@vpnwl-229-155.net.rpi.edu) 22.23.42 # mmm 22.23.53 # Where in the rockbox source are id3 tags read? 22.26.09 # amiconn: thanks, now the work I have to do is way less :) 22.27.17 Join TMM [0] (n=hp@ip565b35da.direct-adsl.nl) 22.27.52 # raninp: firmware/id3.c 22.31.06 # Thanks 22.31.52 # mmmm can someone help me, my Ipod is just blank/dead, I was messing around with rockbox, then I plugged it into my computer and it stayed on the apple screen and wouldn't detect, then when I unplugged it it just.. died. -_- 22.34.00 Quit Alonea ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.8/2007102213]") 22.36.39 Part Workaphobia 22.36.49 Join Workaphobia [0] (n=Jonathan@corenet-a-158.dynamic.rpi.edu) 22.36.55 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 22.37.24 # ForgottenMemorie: All I can suggest is to charge it for longer, and hold MENU+SELECT for longer (and be careful to keep your fingers still whilst holding them). 22.38.55 # oo... OK, Thanx! 22.40.49 Join Frazz [0] (n=Fraser@thelawsons.plus.com) 22.42.16 # ForgottenMemories - Someone told you the same yesterday, to charge it for a good 12 hours. You came back half an hour later with the same question and now today you still haven't charged it?! "22:29:52 Soap and I do mean 12 hours. W/O peeking." 22.44.02 # A few friends and I are looking to implement a feature request or two for rockbox, something simple that we can do over the next couple of weeks. We were thinking of doing something related to displaying lyrics. Is this already supported by rockbox, or are developers already working on it, or should we give it a try? 22.44.02 Quit Genre9mp3 () 22.44.34 Quit barrywardell () 22.44.49 # afaik there is a patch in the tracker for it (or even two) 22.45.09 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 22.46.09 # Workaphobia - I think someone had a a patch : http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7432 22.46.21 Quit advcomp2019 (Nick collision from services.) 22.46.23 Nick advcomp2019_ is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 22.46.33 # blah, I couldn't hlep it it's only been 9 and a half hours when I looked at it and it was still blank >.< 22.49.09 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 22.49.19 # ForgottenMemorie - Hmm :( Charging through usb or wall? If usb, perhaps it doesn't provide enough current (my friends front ports won't work well so we usually plug stuff in the back even if its ackward to crawl under the table).. Just suggesting. 22.50.18 # thanks pixelma, paulposition. If that's out, any recommendations as to the best way to find a small feature that needs doing? Should we just continue to surf the feature tracker? 22.51.08 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.51.29 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF6932.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.51.30 Quit advcomp2019 (Nick collision from services.) 22.51.32 Nick advcomp2019_ is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 22.52.27 Quit nicktastique ("Leaving") 22.53.59 # Workaphobia - You could, of course. Or maybe see with Nico P. if that's something that could, or should, be converted to use the Metadata On Buffer thing they put forward lately. (??) 22.54.16 # http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2007/11/19/a-google-t-shirt/ 22.54.31 # in case anyone hasn't seen it yet 22.55.28 # Always the SOCer, you are. :p 22.55.42 # I'm quite fond of the face on the back for some reason 22.56.00 # Maybe because the only other shirt I have containing "binary" also has a 2 inserted every now and then, probably out of spite 22.56.11 # haha 22.56.25 # "It wouldn’t surprise me at all if the binary does mean something if we translate it to ascii…" 22.56.30 # What does Metadata on Buffer mean? 22.56.31 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 22.56.35 # Bagder: i tried it as soon as i got mine :) 22.56.39 # nothing :( 22.56.43 Quit advcomp2019 (Nick collision from services.) 22.56.43 # :-( 22.56.49 Nick advcomp2019_ is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 22.56.58 # Love the face indeed.. 22.56.58 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 22.57.19 # the mentor summit shirt is slightly different...not by much though 22.57.27 Nick radinp is now known as ShirleyAnn (n=Philip_R@vpnwl-229-155.net.rpi.edu) 22.58.17 # radinp/Shirley - re: MoB, here's how Nico P. introduced the concept a few months ago : http://code.google.com/soc/2007/rockbox/appinfo.html?csaid=D6BA9A838F43B9D8 22.58.20 # Bagder: sorry, but did i ever report back tto you regarding the umbrella corp talks? 22.58.31 Quit mf0102 ("Verlassend") 22.58.56 Quit merbanan (Remote closed the connection) 22.59.37 # i wondered what the hell was up with that face 23.00.10 Nick ShirleyAnn is now known as radinp (n=Philip_R@vpnwl-229-155.net.rpi.edu) 23.00.17 # Dunno, but it looks a bit like that 'transformer voice changer mask' I had when I was 8 y/old... 23.00.38 # (the SOC face, not the speex decoder ;) ) 23.01.53 Join alienbiker99 [0] (n=alienbik@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net) 23.04.25 Quit Frazz ("Leaving") 23.05.07 # guys it's a tiki mask. stop calling it a monster 23.05.16 # it's a monster!!! 23.05.30 # we recognize a monster when we see it! ;-) 23.05.50 # :( <- this is my sadface 23.08.54 # amiconn: Any objection to my committing the nano fix, assuming all added lines are wrapped in #ifdef IPOD_NANO? 23.09.09 Join OlivierBorowski_ [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-157-1-74-110.w86-218.abo.wanadoo.fr) 23.09.47 Quit J3TC- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.10.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.10.10 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 23.10.20 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 23.12.32 Quit w0rd54 (Client Quit) 23.12.41 Join atsea- [0] (i=atsea-@gateway/tor/x-75526faf2f3eac64) 23.12.53 Quit qweru ("moo") 23.13.04 Join w0rd54 [0] (i=blackdev@100mbit.top-site.us) 23.14.55 Part radinp 23.16.26 Quit daan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.22.42 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 23.22.51 Join moos [0] (i=moos@m147.net81-66-159.noos.fr) 23.23.39 Quit OlivierBorowski (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.24.15 # maybe I could give the GsocRoundup2007 page a small update about MoB 23.24.55 # amiconn: seen any of the voicebox stuff on the ml? 23.24.59 # Nico_P: sure 23.27.59 Join webguest56 [0] (i=ca32ef2e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7106ab5c2c0e9682) 23.28.04 Quit webguest56 (Client Quit) 23.28.16 Join webguest20 [0] (i=ca32ef2e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-478ca47d9daf9e9a) 23.28.46 Join webguest13 [0] (i=ca32ef2e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7b1c5070eefc93c7) 23.28.58 Quit webguest13 (Client Quit) 23.29.08 # preglow: voiceBox is constrained to -q 4 -c 10 by default. Did he say he modified the voiceBox script? 23.29.39 # Llorean: quite sure he did 23.30.00 # yeah 23.31.04 Quit bertrik ("bye") 23.33.42 Quit webguest20 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 23.36.04 # i'm fairly certain speex isn't capable of making aliasing noise, so i don't know what they're jabbering about there, though 23.36.07 # probably just don't know proper terms 23.36.38 # Well, speex uses the rockbox resampler as it's 16kHz, doesn't it? 23.36.42 # preglow: "Alias noise": what you get when using a linear interpolation resampler 23.36.53 Quit Billenium ("Ex-Chat") 23.38.04 # preglow: The wideband QMF can also produce a tiny bit of aliasing at low bit-rate (or when decoding narrowband), but most people won't notice it. 23.38.12 # amiconn: how will that sound different for talk clips and voice files? 23.38.20 # eh? 23.38.29 # it's the same resampler 23.38.35 # What? where? 23.38.43 # jmspeex: i doubt that's the alias they talk about 23.38.53 # .talk clips and .voice don't sound different - if you know what you're doing 23.38.58 # amiconn: read the ml 23.39.36 # preglow: MP3 already sounds "tonal", so people might mistake the aliasing for MP3 artifacts 23.39.55 # E.g, if you generate .talk clips using at&t voices, it is *strongly* recommended to change the sapi5 output format from 22kHz to 32kHz 23.40.00 Join Nic0_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 23.40.12 # Otherwise the sapi engine will produce aliasing artefacts 23.40.16 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 23.40.18 # amiconn: then please chip in on the ml, i have no idea about using voicebox 23.40.20 Quit Nico_P (Nick collision from services.) 23.40.22 Nick Nic0_P is now known as Nico_P (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 23.40.31 # That needs to be done in the script, there's no setting for it 23.41.08 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c210-49-113-143.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 23.44.06 # why not use a higher sampling rate? 23.45.22 Join chuck [0] (n=chuck@adsl-154-156-172.cae.bellsouth.net) 23.47.54 Quit OlivierBorowski_ (Remote closed the connection) 23.47.55 # hifolks 23.48.02 # amiconn: Any objections to my committing the Nano fix? 23.49.01 # Llorean: Do you know oblib's real name? 23.49.19 # preglow: A higher rate per se does not help - you need to select an optimal rate per engine 23.49.38 # AT&T works best at 32kHz, and very good at 16kHz - but is bad at 22kHz 23.49.52 # linuxstb: No, but amiconn's here now, and both checking with him if he's okay with the patch and getting the real name are on the list of "things to do" 23.49.57 # The Microsoft engine, however, works best at 22kHz 23.50.33 # sapi_voice.vbs (the one used by voice.pl) is clever and selects the optimal setting (for engines we know) 23.51.21 # can anyone tell me what the message "undefined instruction at 0016F6C8 (0)" means? it happens when i try to play any mp3 23.52.20 # chuck: What device are you running Rockbox on? 23.52.41 # a 60 gig ipod video 23.53.19 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 23.53.28 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 23.54.19 # chuck: Have you just installed Rockbox for the first time? 23.55.08 # no, i have tried several times over the last month, but can't get any of my mp3's to play 23.56.14 # So you've never got Rockbox working? 23.56.56 # oh yeah, everything else works fine, just can't play any mp3's 23.57.08 # chuck - how recent is your build of rockbox? 23.58.18 # ii just download a build earlier today - it is r15699-071119