--- Log for 26.11.107 Server: kubrick.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 19 days and 2 hours ago 00.00.21 # would be neat if the current value could pop up (like a 'tooltip') on some other part of the screen 00.00.22 # maybe one compromise that might help would be to only display the value when the cursor (selector line) is on the entry 00.00.24 # IMHO it could work to display the current value of a setting right justified at the end of the line IF the text was short enough to not scroll 00.00.32 # stripwax_: :) 00.00.37 # :) 00.01.30 # n1s: viewports :) 00.01.35 Quit ctaylorr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.01.59 # n1s: you can't guarantee that on all screens and too much space between looks weird too (IMO) 00.02.11 # screens + font size 00.02.28 # stripwax_: actually trying to reserve a few pixels on the bottom, or something like that for this woul actually sound more douable (the rest would be handled by effectively resizing the screen in which the menu entryes can apear, and scrolling), it wouldn;t be as neat as having them aside each entry, but it might just work decently on any target without a lot of "hardcoding" 00.02.31 Join karashata [0] (n=karashat@207.61.208.83) 00.02.59 # n1s: Why not do like the one patch did, and draw a second line below the setting line that shows the current value, but only do that for the highlighted one? 00.03.36 # pixelma: that's what I mean it would only diplay for lines that do not scroll but I guess that would look weird too... 00.03.51 # Llorean: yeah, didn't look into that but it sounds nice 00.04.00 # amiconn: so when else did this happen? I don't think I see it on the table currently other that over the last four commits. 00.04.18 # n1s: yeah, that would also be confusing 00.04.32 # n1s: That way it doesn't really matter how long the setting name is, but at the same time it doesn't halve the number of items you can list by showing it for all of 'em 00.04.53 Part Tavnos 00.05.07 # Llorean: it also doesn't make it as fast to get a quick overview 00.05.23 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 00.05.44 # I think few people care about the values of all the settings 00.05.57 # But you can scroll through a list and "skim" the values a lot quicker than pressing Select on each of them 00.06.02 # Llorean - would that work better (or worse) than just showing the current value at the bottom of the screen? 00.06.12 # stripwax_: I think it'd look a bit nicer 00.06.20 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.8/2007102213]") 00.06.22 # Llorean: yep, it's indeed an improvement over our current system imo 00.06.27 # The value is immediately below the highlighted line, so your eyes are focused in the right area already 00.06.30 Join darkapostrophe [0] (n=darkapos@217-50-177.231210.adsl.tele2.no) 00.06.34 # Llorean: i agree, the main issue here i think is having to press two bottons to see the current value (like right to enter, left to go back) 00.06.59 # nanok_: Honestly, *I* could care less. I know the value of basically every setting I've changed anyway. :) 00.07.04 # But I see how it would be nice. 00.08.04 # I like the tooltip idea, my phone does something like that and it's quite nice 00.08.24 Quit moos (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.08.38 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.178.214) 00.08.55 # pixelma: Maybe if you stop scrolling on the line, *then* it inserts a line below it with the current value? 00.08.59 Join countrymonkey [0] (i=4b05639a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5baeab4095d8119a) 00.09.13 # it would surely be nice as an option. for instance i use small fonts (similar to the default with rockbox), and on my particular target (e200), i rarely run out of space for menus, so an extra line for the highlighted entry would surely be no problem 00.09.29 Join DrCrow [0] (n=DrCrow@216-62-187.200720.adsl.tele2.no) 00.10.26 # maybe someone can do this, and we could have it as a "off by default" option, and see how people get along with it for a while?.. 00.10.41 Quit Jon-Kha (Remote closed the connection) 00.11.52 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.12.13 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF5E25.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.12.44 # I think showing the value directly below the current line would look bad when you scroll thriough a list where not all entrys are settings. so the menu would jump around when you highlight a setting and tehn a submenu. 00.13.20 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 00.13.25 Quit countrymonkey (Client Quit) 00.13.28 # PaulJam: Perhaps an appropriate solution would be to put the Submenus at the top of the list then? 00.13.31 # Much like folders come before files 00.14.28 # jhMikeS: *all* commits in the table that have the slightest delta show the effect... 00.14.28 # Llorean: and what about those setting that arent really settings, like "reset backdrop" 00.14.50 # or maybe anything which is not a setting can be excluded from this behaviour alltogether (allthough i am not sure how easy that would be currently), or am i missunderstanding the problem? 00.15.10 Quit markun (Remote closed the connection) 00.15.18 Quit DrCrow ("Leaving") 00.15.25 # PaulJam: There are very few of those, and they can just go last? 00.15.38 # nanok_: His objection is "It wouldn't look good" 00.15.53 Join DrCrow_ [0] (n=DrCrow_@216-62-187.200720.adsl.tele2.no) 00.16.18 # Llorean: but this wouldn't really solve the jumping when you scroll from one kind to another. 00.16.21 # what are we talking about? 00.16.56 # Llorean: i get it, i am not sure if he means it would expand in case of submenus and make a mess, or just that there would be nothing to show, which would make it inconsistent. honestly i would be perfectly ok with the later 00.17.39 # PaulJam: Since you still move one entry per 'step' I don't know if it'd be as much a problem as you think it is. The only way to know for sure is to try it 00.17.51 # JdGordon: the discussion started by me mentioning having values for settings where possible, inline (without hitting select) 00.18.16 # i guess if it would expand even if there is nothing to show it would be alright. 00.18.23 Join markun [0] (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 00.18.31 # PaulJam: I think that would look even worse. 00.18.32 Quit HellDragon (Client Quit) 00.18.39 # PaulJam: Expansion wouldn't affect scrolling, it would just be a visual effect... 00.18.49 # nanok_: ah ok. as long as they arnt done how the set rating one was done... that was horrible 00.19.05 # JdGordon: Btw, the table settings code was almost ok, just 3 small quirks which are fixed in svn: (1) you forgot to store the callback, so it didn't work. (2) you used the same bit twice, causing crashes for sound settings. I moved the 2 additional bits one bit up. (3) there was an off-by-one error that caused the first value to be displayed twice if it was the selected one 00.19.44 # Llorean: I think a popup would look better than expansion 00.19.51 # JdGordon: i have no idea. i understand this is not the first time this is duscussed, and that there have even been some patches which were not acceptable. we are trying (i think) to figure out what would work decently 00.20.08 # amiconn: k, just keeping you on your toes :) 00.20.26 # /msg nickserv link DrCrow hardisk 00.20.40 # crap 00.20.48 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 00.20.49 # amiconn: Something like a splash-on-hover? 00.21.01 # My current mobile phone expands the highlighted line (to use a larger font) - that feels rather odd... 00.21.45 # Llorean: Yes, but "connected" to the selector, i.e. in the next line (or previous if there is no next line on screen) 00.22.00 Quit DrCrow_ ("Leaving") 00.22.02 # amiconn: i think that is somehow mac-borrowed (not to say mac disease :) ) for gui's 00.22.59 Join DrCrow [0] (n=DrCrow@216-62-187.200720.adsl.tele2.no) 00.23.22 Quit Dark_Apostrophe (Connection timed out) 00.23.23 Nick darkapostrophe is now known as Dark_Apostrophe (n=darkapos@217-50-177.231210.adsl.tele2.no) 00.23.46 Quit DrCrow (Client Quit) 00.23.53 # * nanok_ 's current mobile phone wouldn;t be able to spell "expand " on one line 00.23.58 # :) 00.24.39 # i have to do something about this ; versus ' problem, drives me insane :( 00.25.17 Join DrCrow [0] (n=DrCrow@216-62-187.200720.adsl.tele2.no) 00.31.59 Quit mirak ("Ex-Chat") 00.34.31 Join animeloe [0] (n=animeloe@unaffiliated/animeloe) 00.36.01 # uhmm... nice new wiki user :/ 00.36.34 Join HellDragon [0] (n=Nocebo@unaffiliated/helldragon) 00.36.52 # cheepcheepcheep 00.42.50 Quit petur ("Zzzzz") 00.43.10 Quit Shaid (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.43.34 Join Shaid [0] (i=shaid@210-84-52-144.dyn.iinet.net.au) 00.43.45 Quit Shaid (Client Quit) 00.44.15 Join Shaid [0] (i=shaid@210-84-52-144.dyn.iinet.net.au) 00.52.39 Join ctaylorr [0] (n=ctaylorr@CPE001839ae25b4-CM0011aea4a276.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 00.54.40 Quit Redbreva ("Out for the day...!") 00.59.48 Join goffa_ [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 01.01.13 Quit stripwax_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.09.01 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.09.22 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF5E25.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.09.38 Quit PaulJam (".") 01.12.19 Quit goffa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.13.11 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.13.50 Quit n1s () 01.14.03 Quit animeloe (No route to host) 01.14.26 Quit goffa_ (Remote closed the connection) 01.14.29 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 01.16.29 Join donutman25 [0] (n=chatzill@65.75.87.48) 01.16.47 Join animeloe [0] (n=animeloe@unaffiliated/animeloe) 01.16.48 # having trouble adding plugins, am I supposed to change a makefile, because I don't see any other plugin files in the makefile in the plugin folder 01.17.13 # what do you mean by "adding plugins" ? 01.17.36 Join animeloe_ [0] (n=animeloe@unaffiliated/animeloe) 01.17.38 # is this a new plugin that you have made? 01.17.46 Quit animeloe (Nick collision from services.) 01.17.52 Nick animeloe_ is now known as animeloe (n=animeloe@unaffiliated/animeloe) 01.18.19 # Traveler8: you need to add the name of the plugin source file to apps/plugins/SOURCES 01.20.28 # okay thanks safety dan 01.20.41 # didn't make a plugin yet, just toying with hello.c 01.22.13 Quit barrywardell () 01.24.00 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 01.24.49 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.178.214) 01.26.47 Quit HellDragon (Client Quit) 01.29.54 Join HellDragon [0] (i=jd@unaffiliated/helldragon) 01.35.58 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.38.00 Quit mokkurkalve (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.39.18 Join Skail [0] (n=colin@static24-72-51-82.regina.accesscomm.ca) 01.40.17 # anyone here to advise on a compiling problem? 01.40.51 # you don't need to ask to ask. 01.41.03 # hrm...the erronous battery readout on 3g is exactly timed with disk activity...no disk activity = no readout :\ 01.42.17 # from kernel.c : firmware/target/arm/system-arm.h , impossible constraint in 'asm' 01.42.39 Quit Rob2222 () 01.42.50 # Skail: which line? 01.42.59 # 119 01.43.40 # different O settings/compiler? 01.43.56 # thing is, I'm fine with the binary I installed on the device - I just want to write/work on plugins 01.44.20 # I followed the Gentoo section for setting up cross compiler, 01.44.47 # but I'm not to familiar with using gcc in this way 01.45.07 # that one always seems to come biting...presumably due to some optimization deal with an inline functions and the "i" constraints 01.45.27 Nick idnar_ is now known as idnar (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 01.45.28 Join TrU|nguyenEr [0] (n=fatboi@ip70-185-228-72.ok.ok.cox.net) 01.45.51 Quit donutman25 ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.9/2007102514]") 01.47.39 # try adding "static inline int set_interrupt_status(int status, int mask) __attribute__((always_inline));" 01.47.53 # just above the function definition itself 01.49.35 # same 01.49.56 # err 01.50.24 Part pixelma 01.51.30 # is there an older/more-likely-to-compile tarball? I'm just wanting to do plugins, if that makes a difference 01.52.22 # It generally seems likely to compile as evidenced by the build table, however, some change needs to be found that keep that function from being a problem 01.52.51 # could be converted to a macro but that's just nasty imo 01.54.26 # mind trying one other thing? 01.54.56 # not at all 01.55.00 # I really want this to work :) 01.56.10 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.56.16 # replace it like this: http://rafb.net/p/EHIxgs60.html 01.56.31 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF5E25.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.57.13 # one small change, change "(status & mask)" to "((status) & (mask))" 01.57.20 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B162AB.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.58.23 # Skail: hang on, did you use rockboxdev.sh to get your cross compilers? 01.59.01 # no... followed the thing under "gentoo" 01.59.01 Join danef [0] (i=4495bf08@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d684b344590ddbb9) 01.59.44 # safetydan: I still think this should work in any case 02.00.01 # hi to all - is anyone here an expert with RB on the Sansa e200 series? 02.00.03 # same result. 02.00.16 # Skail: which thing under gentoo? One of the Rockbox wiki pages? 02.00.27 # only thing you can do then is change the i's to r's 02.00.33 # jhMikeS: don't we have some patches applied to gcc that might make a difference to this? 02.00.55 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler 02.01.02 # danef, it's easier to simply ask your question 02.01.17 # We do have patches and this function seems to be problematic with unpatched ones iiuc 02.01.49 Quit danef (Client Quit) 02.02.02 # jhMikeS: the gentoo instructions don't mention patching the compilers, so maybe that's the problem here 02.02.13 Quit barrywardell () 02.02.22 # if a macro is giving the same result, that's definitely a bug 02.02.59 # cool, it passes kernel.c now.. errors on LD rockbox.elf 02.03.02 Join danef [0] (i=4495bf08@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-22daabcd520fb438) 02.03.03 # the "i,i" constraint is always passed as an int constant so I'd say GCC is borked 02.03.39 # Skail: if you continue to have compile problems, try using the compilers build by rockboxdev.sh instead 02.04.20 # Hi - I am using RB on a sansa e260. When I play photos or mpegs the backlight trips off almost immediately regardless of any backlight setting I use in the setting menu. Any ideas? 02.04.52 # danef: I think someone recently reported that as a bug. 02.05.42 # ahh ok thanks - i didn't spot it in the bug section - i'll look closer. 02.06.20 # * Skail is hesitant to patch gcc 02.06.28 # Skail: the script takes care of it for you 02.06.48 # that's why I'm hesitant 02.06.51 Part ryanakca 02.06.53 # Skail: You're not patching your system GCC, just the cross-compiler ones. 02.07.22 # gcc cross is definitely bugged if it's not handling that function properly 02.07.29 # or macro 02.08.07 # the script doesn't seem to be working anyways 02.08.29 # Skail: it should work. What error are you getting? 02.09.07 # its asking for "File to patch:" 02.09.23 # ugh 02.09.40 # not finding binutils tarballs, probably it 02.10.01 # hrm, it should download those for you 02.10.42 Quit guyzmo (Remote closed the connection) 02.10.50 # aha... seems the download failed.. 02.10.55 Join guyzmo [0] (n=guyzmo@nenya.mithrandir.net) 02.11.07 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.12.05 # okay, able to compile/add rocks now. now I gotta really dive into the source :D 02.12.26 Quit danef ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.12.34 # lol, that's where I want to be :) 02.19.36 Join webguest63 [0] (i=51991532@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-cd06cc7c3574642f) 02.19.53 Part webguest63 02.23.10 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.23.31 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF5E25.dip.t-dialin.net) 02.24.39 Join moos [0] (i=moos@m147.net81-66-159.noos.fr) 02.31.54 Quit RoC_MasterMind (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.38.22 Quit J3TC- (".��UPP��.") 02.39.03 Quit moos ("Rockbox rules the DAP world") 02.41.55 Join Seedy [0] (n=user@bzq-84-108-232-45.cablep.bezeqint.net) 02.41.55 Join ShyK [0] (i=Shy@bzq-79-179-121-42.red.bezeqint.net) 02.44.25 # well.. still doesn't build with the script-made compiler 02.45.09 Join most_triumphnt [0] (i=48403e9e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4f506f963dd7c143) 02.45.17 # ogm Skail 02.45.27 Quit Seedy () 02.45.42 Quit most_triumphnt (Client Quit) 02.45.48 Join most_triumphnt [0] (i=48403e9e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d8f94ca7ffd248c3) 02.46.32 Quit most_triumphnt (Client Quit) 02.47.18 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.47.32 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF7399.dip.t-dialin.net) 02.47.36 Join san|chez [0] (n=sanchez@cpe-24-210-40-174.columbus.res.rr.com) 02.48.16 Join perrikwp [0] (n=chatzill@74.167.148.160) 02.48.36 Quit |sanchez| (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.50.53 # Skail: are you compiling the latest source from SVN? Are you sure the rockboxdev.sh compilers are being used (i.e. they're first in the PATH ahead of the gentoo ones you built earlier)? 02.51.30 Join psycho_maniac [0] (i=psycho_m@ppp527.hk.centurytel.net) 02.51.37 # they're first in the path, yes 02.51.47 # <- trying something else.. 02.52.44 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 02.52.50 Join DM| [0] (n=dm@cpe-65-24-163-189.columbus.res.rr.com) 02.52.56 Quit advcomp2019 (Nick collision from services.) 02.53.02 Nick advcomp2019_ is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 02.55.41 # hey whats up 02.57.17 # I got it to build the plugins - that's good enough, at least for now - thanks for all the help, guys 02.59.06 Join homielowe_ [0] (n=chatzill@d207-81-67-190.bchsia.telus.net) 02.59.38 # Skail: you could always try just building the simulator. That will use your normal system compiler. Obviously you wont be able to use the plugins built this way on your target, but at least you can test stuff. 02.59.40 # anyone know much about the 3G Ipod problems ? 02.59.55 # san|chez: which problems? 03.00.05 # well 03.00.10 # it says battery is low recharge 03.00.38 # so i tried getting it to recharge and it kept rebooting and saying that without actually charging, then i fnially got it fully charged and rebooted into Rockbox and then it just said battery low and shut off but i charged the battery 03.00.55 # san|chez: ah that one. I think someone is looking into it but no idea how far along they are 03.01.04 # ah ok 03.01.30 # jhMikeS: are you the one looking at the 3g battery issue? 03.01.33 # :( 03.02.55 # safetydan: I have built the sim already :) 03.03.27 # safetydan: I'm trying to but don't really know what's up. I have to disable poweroff just to work on stuff. I'll hopefully get a clue somehow. :) 03.04.19 # jhMikeS: cool. Was there a recent change that exposed this problem or has it always been there? 03.05.31 # noone seems to know where it crept in. if it's not that, it's the various exceptions at startup. 03.07.36 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.07.57 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF481B.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.08.48 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 03.09.24 Join J3TC- [0] (n=jetc123@pool-71-125-77-210.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) 03.10.00 Join goffa_ [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 03.13.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.19.26 Join joshin1 [0] (n=josh@unaffiliated/joshin) 03.20.08 Join donutman25 [0] (n=dagni@65.75.87.48) 03.20.39 Quit goffa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.22.08 Nick XavierGr_ is now known as XavierGr (n=xavier@ppp92-125.adsl.forthnet.gr) 03.25.41 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 03.31.49 Quit joshin (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 03.34.13 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@207.155.176.3) 03.39.40 Quit DM| ("*bashes head against keyboard*") 03.51.14 Quit donutman25 (Remote closed the connection) 03.52.05 Join Hammer89 [0] (n=soc_inte@static-host-24-149-229-197.patmedia.net) 03.52.34 # does anyone know if SanDisks new firmware causes issues with Rockbox? 03.57.17 Join thunderfox5 [0] (n=thunderf@10001224929.0000009805.acesso.oni.pt) 03.57.28 # hi there 04.03.27 Quit bobrules (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.06.49 # Hammer89, no.. it is new hardware inside them 04.07.25 # so I can update the OF on my e200 and reinstall Rockbox with no issues? 04.09.01 # Hammer89, why do you need to update the OF since it is only for file transfers 04.09.04 Quit Skail ("Concoction recent by Pier.") 04.10.05 # well... batt runtime is still better on the OF from what I can tell... other than that, no reason in particular... do you know what the latest update to the OF changed/added? 04.13.14 # Hammer89, rockbox do not know what they change in OF and rockbox does not need to know since rockbox does not use any part of the OF in their c code 04.16.02 # I understand that... though I'd imagine they need to keep up on it in case Sandisk decides to release a new bootloader or something 04.16.24 # I was asking more out of curiosity than out of a need for technical advice 04.20.44 # Hammer89, if it isn't broken, don't fix it ;) 04.21.47 Quit animeloe ("Leaving") 04.22.18 # krazykit: good advice; but does anyone ever really follow it? 04.22.22 # ;) 04.24.10 # if they did, the world would be a happier place. 04.25.02 # nah... it'd be boring :) 04.25.06 Join animeloe [0] (n=animeloe@unaffiliated/animeloe) 04.30.14 # hi. maybe you can help me 04.30.21 # I have an iPod 5G 04.30.21 # ask already 04.30.31 # and the enter button is not a space bar 04.30.38 Join billenium [0] (n=billeniu@c-69-249-243-110.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 04.31.03 # and Im trying to make some changes on the code, to make the menus easier to use 04.31.26 # where can I find the source code for the menu captions and the click wheel speed? 04.32.06 # plus, I did SVN checkout and I'm missing a rockboxlogo.h file 04.32.22 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.32.42 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF481B.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.40.16 # thunderfox5: the logo file is created when you build 04.41.01 # you probably want to look at the gui code for the menu (under apps/gui) and the wheel driver for the speed (somewhere under firmware/drivers) 04.41.22 # thanks for that info 04.41.30 # about that missing file problem 04.41.33 # this is what i get 04.41.53 # CC alarm_menu.c 04.41.53 # In file included from alarm_menu.c:32: 04.41.53 # recorder/icons.h:30:25: error: rockboxlogo.h: No such file or directory 04.42.21 # isn't that file supposed to come with the rest of the source? 04.42.52 # did you try the svn up command? i think when your missing a file and you try that it will download the file you are missing. 04.43.13 # I can try that, but won't that erase any changes I have made to the code? 04.43.46 # thunderfox5: no, it will merge them 04.44.28 Join TrU|anothEr [0] (n=fatboi@ip70-185-228-72.ok.ok.cox.net) 04.44.54 Quit TrU|anothEr (Client Quit) 04.46.33 # doesn't work :( 04.46.38 # say this: 04.46.39 # Skipped 'svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk' 04.46.40 # At revision 15806. 04.47.25 # thunderfox5: that's because revision 15806 is the latest version available. 04.47.40 # Maybe try doing a make clean followed by running configure again 04.47.57 Part Hammer89 04.48.13 Nick joshin1 is now known as joshin (n=josh@unaffiliated/joshin) 04.48.32 Join n17ikh|Lappy [0] (n=n17ikh@c-76-23-98-11.hsd1.sc.comcast.net) 04.50.01 # does the SVN run on 64 bit or something? 04.50.20 # all the binaries on the tools folder had to be recompiled one by one 04.50.40 # because I got a lot of "can't execute binary file" errors 04.51.07 # Hrm, have you checked out your source tree as a different user from who you're trying to compile as? 04.51.15 # nope 04.51.17 # I mean 04.51.45 # I checked out at college using my work login 04.52.00 # and then downloaded from their server through ssh 04.52.03 # it sounds like you have some permissions issues preventing the build from working 04.52.12 # are the directories writeable by your user? 04.52.16 # yep 04.52.27 # and I chmod'ed all of them 755 04.52.28 # can the build set executable bits? 04.52.40 # odd 04.52.43 # (the binaries I mean) 04.53.41 # so did make clean work? 04.53.51 Quit K-Man666 ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.9/2007102514]") 04.55.20 # i'm a bit confused about the new usb stack...wasn't the point to make usb work within rockbox? or have we still not gotten that far? 04.55.40 # Nimdae: haven't got that far yet. 04.55.47 # ah ok 04.56.21 # I can't build the zip now 04.56.25 # oh well 04.56.34 # thunderfox5: do you have zip installed? 04.56.40 # yup 04.57.15 # something seems very wrong with your working copy and build setup then 04.57.32 # yup, something strange going on lol 04.57.35 # I call it a day 04.57.52 # I'll stir this up a bit tomorrow lol 04.58.02 # thanks for your help :) 04.58.12 # np 04.58.32 # well, in the meantime, is there a way to make rockbox not make windows think a new device is being plugged in every time i plug in my ipod? 04.59.39 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.59.45 # eh safedan 04.59.50 # safetydan* 04.59.55 # one last note 05.00.02 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF4828.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.00.06 # I was right 05.00.19 # /usr/lib/gcc/i586-suse-linux/4.2.1/../../../../i586-suse-linux/bin/ld: i386:x86-64 architecture of input file `scramble.o' is incompatible with i386 output 05.00.19 # /usr/lib/gcc/i586-suse-linux/4.2.1/../../../../i586-suse-linux/bin/ld: i386:x86-64 architecture of input file `iriver.o' is incompatible with i386 output 05.00.19 DBUG Enqueued KICK thunderfox5 05.00.19 # /usr/lib/gcc/i586-suse-linux/4.2.1/../../../../i586-suse-linux/bin/ld: i386:x86-64 architecture of input file `mi4.o' is incompatible with i386 output 05.00.19 *** Alert Mode level 1 05.00.19 # /usr/lib/gcc/i586-suse-linux/4.2.1/../../../../i586-suse-linux/bin/ld: i386:x86-64 architecture of input file `gigabeat.o' is incompatible with i386 output 05.00.21 *** Alert Mode level 2 05.00.21 # /usr/lib/gcc/i586-suse-linux/4.2.1/../../../../i586-suse-linux/bin/ld: i386:x86-64 architecture of input file `gigabeats.o' is incompatible with i386 output 05.00.23 # Nimdae: that is a problem? lol i thought it was just my stupid computer. 05.00.24 *** Alert Mode level 3 05.00.24 # /usr/lib/gcc/i586-suse-linux/4.2.1/../../../../i586-suse-linux/bin/ld: i386:x86-64 architecture of input file `telechips.o' is incompatible with i386 output 05.00.31 # the SVN has it's files on x64 arch 05.00.38 # this is what pastebins are for... 05.00.50 # pastebins? 05.00.50 # thunderfox5: what files though? There shouldn't be any binary files checked in. The only binaries are ones you've built. 05.00.53 # psycho_maniac: it's something from the new usb stack, for sure 05.01.09 # thunderfox5: read the guidelines linked int he topic 05.01.11 # ooohhhhh 05.01.18 # now I understand 05.01.36 # must have been the server at college that built these in the first place... 05.01.44 # :) 05.01.50 # thanks, you helped a lot! 05.02.20 # thunderfox5: no probs. Though the make clean should have sorted that out for you 05.02.26 Quit TrU|nguyenEr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.03.34 # I did make clean on the tools directory now and it seems to have worked. 05.03.48 # btw, one oddity i found in the script that builds the rockbox build environment...it checks for the existance of "patch", but doesn't seem to check for anything else, like a compiler 05.04.12 # Nimdae: when you run configure it checks that the compiler for the architecture is on the path 05.04.34 # i'm talking about rockboxdev.sh 05.04.39 # ah 05.04.43 # had to remember the name of the script 05.04.54 # oh, when I tried to use the autoconfigure.sh to install the needed files for building 05.04.56 # it does check for curl or wget 05.05.05 # yeah 05.05.07 # I think that's how it's called 05.05.10 # but it doesn't check for a compiler 05.05.24 Quit karashata ("I will *SO* make you regret that... Later... *is a lazy dragon*") 05.05.26 # curl kept giving out these Error 500 warnings 05.05.36 # it downloads everything, extracts, patches, attempts to build, fails if there is no compiler, then tells you everything was successful and to set your PATH accordingly 05.05.44 Join karashata [0] (n=karashat@207.61.208.83) 05.05.52 # I switched ftp:// for http:// and it sorted that out 05.05.57 # hope it helps anyone. 05.06.04 Join iamben [0] (n=ben@ppp-70-129-187-176.dsl.spfdmo.swbell.net) 05.06.09 Quit iamben (Client Quit) 05.06.09 # Nimdae: well now that's a bug that should be fixed 05.06.37 Join iamben [0] (n=ben@ppp-70-129-187-176.dsl.spfdmo.swbell.net) 05.07.10 # i accidentally discovered it because i reinstalled ubuntu, heh 05.07.24 # which doesn't install a compiler by default 05.07.42 # i'll jump on flyspray and see if it's reported 05.08.33 # ...which seems to be broken 05.08.47 # can i report a bug for the bug tracking tool? >.> 05.09.13 # looks like a corrupt table or something 05.09.59 # ah yeah, I think the server's out of disk space at the moment 05.10.05 # doh 05.10.25 *** Alert Mode OFF 05.10.44 # have to wait for Zagor, LinusN, or Bagder to poke the server 05.11.10 # well, it only failed to log in, did a search and didn't see anything for the script 05.11.14 # i'll report it tomorrow 05.11.45 Quit thunderfox5 (Remote closed the connection) 05.13.14 Quit Soap () 05.13.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.16.12 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 05.26.37 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 05.28.00 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05.29.02 # could you do a battery test in rockbox for playing videos? 05.32.27 Join joshin1 [0] (n=josh@unaffiliated/joshin) 05.33.49 Quit joshin ("Gotta stop the kids from rioting") 05.34.05 Nick joshin1 is now known as joshin (n=josh@unaffiliated/joshin) 05.41.16 Join weswh- [0] (n=wes@c-71-56-114-7.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 05.41.58 # i had rockbox installed, and my brother plugged my ipod into his laptop and installed/opened itunes. does anyone know if itunes nowadays is overwriting the bootloader? 05.42.51 # because it is back to normal ipod operation now - but ipod update was never run or anything...all of the music is still there, it's saying firmware 3.11 or something, in the Settings > About 05.44.56 # you try rebooting it? 05.45.13 # cause mine booted into original firmware once 05.48.48 Quit ctaylorr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.49.08 # for statements can be used in plugins, correct? 05.51.02 # Traveler8: yes, it's a standard C construct 05.51.56 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c58-109-97-210.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au) 05.52.44 # okay thanks, figured I'd check before compiling. process takes a while 06.04.20 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 06.08.05 Quit animeloe ("Leaving") 06.09.45 Join animeloe [0] (n=animeloe@unaffiliated/animeloe) 06.20.22 Nick billenium is now known as BilleniumzZz (n=billeniu@c-69-249-243-110.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 06.30.22 # anyone suggest a resident evil or ghost in the shell rockbox theme/wps? 06.35.27 Quit karashata ("I will *SO* make you regret that... Later... *is a lazy dragon*") 06.50.12 Quit qweru ("moo") 07.02.07 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.02.28 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF4828.dip.t-dialin.net) 07.03.06 # well its time I go for now, adios 07.03.14 Quit Traveler8 ("Java user signed off") 07.05.34 Quit DaCapn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.08.12 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 07.10.22 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 07.13.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.15.02 Quit tedrock (Client Quit) 07.19.43 Join tedrock [0] (n=tedrock@d235-156-104.home1.cgocable.net) 07.25.42 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.26.03 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF4828.dip.t-dialin.net) 07.28.06 Part safetydan 07.35.24 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 07.36.43 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 07.36.46 Join Buschel [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3D3DD.dip.t-dialin.net) 07.46.31 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 07.46.40 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 07.49.59 # jhMikeS: The attributed doesn't need its own line. You can also put it between the function type & qualifiers and the name: 07.50.35 Join SpeedEBikes [0] (n=chatzill@c-76-16-40-107.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 07.51.09 # static inline int __attribute__((always_inline)) set_interrupt_status(int status, int mask) __attribute__((always_inline)) { do_something } 07.51.22 # Eh 07.51.27 # static inline int __attribute__((always_inline)) set_interrupt_status(int status, int mask) { do_something } 07.54.26 Quit advcomp2019 ("Leaving") 07.54.37 Join advcomp2019 [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 07.54.55 Quit advcomp2019 (Client Quit) 08.02.16 Quit Buschel () 08.02.33 Quit tedrock (Client Quit) 08.05.21 Quit perrikwp (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.09.24 Quit ShyK (Remote closed the connection) 08.09.32 # amiconn: ah, good to know 08.10.29 # amiconn: do you think it's right for i2c to be initialized so late in init()? the power thread is created and may in fact run before that is done. 08.11.33 # I'd think that should be done as a primary init since it's almost as fundamental as the kernel 08.12.26 Join tedrock [0] (n=tedrock@d235-156-104.home1.cgocable.net) 08.16.15 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.t-2.net) 08.16.32 # Init order is rather difficile 08.16.51 # It probably needs checking and thinking on all targets 08.16.56 Quit atsea- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.17.12 # We should also document which inits depend on which other init(s) 08.17.16 Join jhenry197 [0] (n=jhenry19@adsl-75-61-10-219.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) 08.17.34 Join advcomp2019 [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 08.17.38 Part jhenry197 08.17.50 Join mokkurkalve [0] (n=eivind@084202223083.customer.alfanett.no) 08.18.06 # the power thread could be created in a suspended state and allowed to run later too 08.18.12 Quit nanok_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 08.20.06 # are there any patches needed for testing for the gigabeat or ipod 80g video? 08.20.44 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 08.20.44 # * jhMikeS gets the feeling he's about to bluescreen in a second :\ 08.20.46 # Such a suspended init happens on Ondio: MMC detection is enabled later 08.20.49 # actually just the ipod atm. my gigabeat is busy atm. 08.20.56 Join GodEater [0] (n=bryan@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 08.21.50 # The interdependencies being documented would help to avoid effects such as the crashing Video/Nano bootloaders due to backlight needing the krenel (for sleep()) 08.23.33 # looking at the inits beforehand, it seem odd that i2c needs those (buffer, settings, lcd, remote, font, logo, lang, debug) 08.24.00 # don't know what to make of serial 08.24.35 # the power management for pp that uses the i2c needs that first for sure 08.26.45 # Is there any guide to debugging issues that only occur on a target system but don't occur in the simulator? After installing a current build my Sansa e200 screen blanks after about 1 second without input while in the movie player or the system/version screen. This doesn't occur in the simulator. I saw something about JTAG connectors in the archives. Do these allow one to run a Sansa under gdb? 08.27.05 # amiconn: though this batt level oddness on 3g seems to be some separate issue anyway 08.31.50 # is the Rockbox Logo Swapper supported? 08.34.11 # no 08.34.29 # usually supported stuff is on the wiki correct? 08.34.37 # not necessarily 08.34.54 # meaning, not all things in the wiki are officially supported 08.35.11 # like the LogoSwapper 08.35.40 # and it's not clear what "officially supported" means either :-) 08.37.33 # correct. 08.38.22 # LinusN: to me "officially supported" means it's bad form for us to give up on a problem - whereas "not officially supported" usually appears to mean we wade in to help if we're in a good mood, and then give up when the first thing we thought of doesn't work, replying with "well, it's not supported" :) 08.38.48 # well put 08.38.50 # :-) 08.38.53 # hehe 08.41.17 # i like this conclusion in th forum: "Since the Sansa E280 has a FAT partition, I presume it is capable of running Linux?" 08.41.35 # oh wow... 08.42.03 # hahaha 08.42.05 # genius 08.42.09 # why didn't we think of that ? 08.49.26 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.49.47 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF4828.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.50.15 Join SpeedEBikes_ [0] (n=chatzill@c-76-16-40-107.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 08.58.44 Quit psycho_maniac (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The alternative IRC client") 09.03.41 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.05.01 Join SpeedEBikes__ [0] (n=chatzill@c-76-16-40-107.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 09.07.57 Quit SpeedEBikes (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.07.58 Nick SpeedEBikes__ is now known as SpeedEBikes (n=chatzill@c-76-16-40-107.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 09.08.25 Join Jon-Kha [0] (n=Jon-Kha@80-248-247-190.cust.suomicom.fi) 09.09.22 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 09.13.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.16.07 Part SpeedEBikes 09.16.35 Quit goffa_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.18.35 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 09.20.12 Join CaptainSquid [0] (n=Miranda@proxy13.netz.sbs.de) 09.22.38 Quit SpeedEBikes_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.28.41 # jhMikeS: That pcf driver fix fixes the G3 battery issue I presume? 09.31.43 Join safetydan [0] (n=safetyda@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 09.31.43 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 09.32.20 Join pondlife [0] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 09.33.51 # amiconn: no but it's a possible problematic situation I spotted when looking into it 09.34.37 # what I really find odd is that it's only the battery level, not the RTC or anything 09.34.55 Quit GodEater (Connection timed out) 09.37.30 # Maybe we're using the wrong ADC channel? You said it depends on disk activity... 09.38.54 # things seem to change in concert with that, yes...no doubt 09.40.31 # name should explain well enough: http://jhmikes.cleansoap.org/pp5002-dual-core.diff (yes it has #define NO_LOW_BATTERY_SHUTDOWN, just so I can work :) 09.40.37 Join GodEater [0] (n=bryan@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 09.42.11 # after the initial cycle of disk activity and playing for awhile, the level starts coming back up and appears to operate normally 09.43.21 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 09.43.38 # I guess the filter needs time to settle in part but hmmm 09.44.15 Quit goffa (Remote closed the connection) 09.44.48 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 09.47.30 # amiconn: btw, I think the problems on pp5002 with these random crashes come from improper use of the control registers. A number of restrictions/steps apply or it will bomb out. 09.49.50 # Which control registers? 09.50.03 # for the processors 09.51.07 # have to fill the pipeline with nop's before sleeping the core. can't concurrently access the status register. 09.51.32 # hmm... I also see this effect on my c200 now which I just read in the logs (people with e200): the backlight turns off in a second if you start mpegplayer or jpegviewer, it comes back on if you press a button but turns off again, one time it stayed on a bit longer... (revision 15806 here) 09.52.17 # * jhMikeS was having a similar experience here on 3g too in all plugins 09.53.03 # maybe these backlight settings commit of yesterday...? 09.53.35 # I'll try a daily 09.53.51 Part pondlife 09.54.58 # seems to be all plugins that should keep the backlight on all the time 09.56.11 # Ah, probably the 'keep backlight running' plugin stuff needs a different value now 09.56.39 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host22-211-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 09.57.43 # * amiconn didn't think of that 09.58.11 # it's all in the plugin helper file 09.58.34 # (plugin lib) 09.58.55 # * jhMikeS guesses he managed to hit all the bl-on plugins at once 09.58.56 # Yes. The 4 '1's in backlight_force_on() need to be changed into '0's 09.59.34 # one change to fix them all :) 09.59.37 # are there any that don't use that lib yet? 09.59.46 Join Bagder [0] (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 09.59.51 # I think I converted them all 10.00.04 # demystify seems affected 10.00.46 # Right now it sets the backlight timeout to 1 second instead of 'always on' 10.01.50 # yes, looks like a second 10.02.12 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 10.02.30 # well, 1 used to be always on.... 10.02.30 # from demos: fire, fireworks, oscilloscope, plasma, starfield are affected 10.02.49 # they should all be using the lib, so an easy fix 10.03.33 # flyspray buggered? 10.03.58 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=4 gives a db error 10.04.32 # only patches seems affected 10.04.59 Join goffa_ [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 10.05.06 # I couldn't even watch the tasklist yesterday evening 10.05.07 # all types also goes bananas 10.05.29 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 10.05.32 # * petur triggers Bagder 10.05.51 # maybe it's related to the build problems with rbclient on rockbox.org... 10.06.18 # * Bagder checks 10.08.07 Join pondlife [0] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 10.08.14 Part pondlife ("Gone") 10.11.11 Quit advcomp2019 ("Leaving") 10.12.06 Join advcomp2019 [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 10.13.41 Join Redbreva [0] (n=redbreva@host86-144-108-57.range86-144.btcentralplus.com) 10.13.45 # jhMikeS: The NO_LOW_BATTERY_SHUTDOWN should probably go into config-ipod3g.h for now 10.14.08 # you think it should actually be disabled in SVN? 10.14.51 # Perhaps - unless you manage to find the real problem... 10.15.05 # Of course it would be a temporary measure 10.15.08 Join atsea-104 [0] (i=atsea-@gateway/tor/x-743037d2e89c331e) 10.15.15 # right now I need to figure out if it's just my battery or something. it's not very strong on this player. 10.15.55 Quit goffa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.16.26 # go ahead and say "rtfm" :) but how do you keep rb from connecting USB and doing disk mode on 3g? 10.16.39 # it was reported by other people with 3rd gen Ipods, I remember at least one here and one in the forums 10.17.12 # jhMikeS: Hold Menu while plugging, as usual 10.17.23 # thought I tried that...hmmm 10.17.39 # (or use a firewire charger, which it will detect as a charger and not go into file mode) 10.17.47 # USB doesan't charge on G3 10.17.58 # I"m using a firewire connection and Menu doesn't do it 10.18.17 # weird 10.25.34 # * jhMikeS tried every button without success 10.26.40 # fw connect doesn't check any buttons 10.27.36 # it never did afaict 10.27.42 # eh? 10.27.53 # There is no separate fw connect 10.27.57 # I mean GPIOC_INPUT_VAL & 0x02 10.28.05 Quit linuxstb__ ("Leaving") 10.28.37 # ah, that's not g3 10.28.52 # The button check happens in the USB thread 10.29.31 # * jhMikeS sees them in usb_detect for USB 10.29.36 # for 502x 10.30.01 # jhMikeS: there's also usb.c:147 10.30.22 # jhMikeS: For IPOD_3G_PAD (and IPOD_1G2G_PAD), USBPOWER_BUTTON isn't defined 10.30.26 # is g3 pp502x? 10.30.29 # You can fix that in usb.h 10.30.29 Quit Redbreva () 10.30.48 # I guess HAVE_USB_POWER must not be defined then 10.30.58 # Just add those 2 pads to line 41 10.31.00 # correct, it's not 10.31.29 # It should. Firewire is handled like usb in rockbox 10.31.35 Join Redbreva41 [0] (n=Miranda@host86-144-108-57.range86-144.btcentralplus.com) 10.32.34 Join TMM [0] (n=hp@ip5650d1ab.direct-adsl.nl) 10.34.51 # well, I'll give it a try and see what happens 10.35.45 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B176D3.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.47.28 Join hasmind [0] (n=hasmind@203.129.61.193) 10.48.13 # make: //tools/svnversion.sh: Command not found <<< compiling the UIsimulaotr 10.48.25 # could someone please help? 10.50.39 # this random bug still seems to exist. :\ I do know cache handling is fine and sleeping is fine. I wonder if this batt thing is actually related somehow. 10.50.49 # hasmind: You're using ubuntu ? 10.51.08 # no 10.51.15 # cygwin 10.51.30 # hasmind: sounds like you didn't do the install right then 10.51.37 # aaaw 10.51.39 # hasmind: you're missing the build tools 10.51.43 # not AGAIN 10.51.53 # I got them.. I thought 10.51.58 # the elf-gcc ones? 10.52.04 # no "make" 10.52.29 # hasmind: try typing "which make" 10.52.37 # ok 10.52.52 # ah 10.52.59 # what does that return ? 10.53.11 # /usr/bin/make 10.53.24 # in that case you *do* have make 10.53.28 # yes 10.53.34 # and it appears your checkout of source code hasn't completed properly 10.53.40 # it works, until it finds svn thingo 10.53.55 # do you have perl? 10.54.00 # no 10.54.12 # then install it 10.54.28 # wtf 10.54.31 #