--- Log for 29.11.107 Server: kubrick.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 22 days and 2 hours ago 00.00.10 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@STRATTON-FORTY-SEVEN.MIT.EDU) 00.00.30 Quit EspeonEefi (Client Quit) 00.00.39 # say, is there someone here from eu who can desolder and dump a bga flash chip? 00.00.44 Quit OlivierBorowski (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.01.19 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@STRATTON-FORTY-SEVEN.MIT.EDU) 00.01.43 Quit EspeonEefi (Client Quit) 00.01.49 # im affraid of asking my stupid questions in here. can you browse in 'folder view' have a lot of VA and i just want to se a tree of folders sorted alphabetical(?). 00.02.32 # kri - depends what you mean by "tree". the "Files" menu is sorted alphabetically 00.03.25 # i mean, like i open my "/music" folder on my computer. 00.04.11 # i have a tracklist of 20 gb and its from a lot of albums 00.04.21 # the "files" view lets you just browse the dir structure 00.04.38 # thanks. 00.04.41 # kri - if you want to see 'all' your subdirectories at the same time, no, rockbox can't do that 00.04.59 # tree was the wrong word for it. 00.05.27 # oh. then I'm not sure I know what you mean .. 00.05.34 Quit goffa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.05.52 Quit barrywardell () 00.06.14 # kri: what about the Files view doesn't fit with what you want? 00.07.53 # ok rockbox folder is marked with a dot that means hidden so i cant find it 00.07.53 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet26.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 00.08.06 # now im getting it strait 00.08.23 # kri: you don't want to put your music in the .rockbox folder 00.08.35 # PaulJam: yes, you can set the timeout to whatever you like, but i bet there are limitations 00.08.40 # just create a music folder on your player and put your music there 00.09.18 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 00.09.46 # yeah im pretty sure is quite messed up so i will clean the whole thing and remake it. 00.09.57 # * stripwax is still a bit lost 00.10.09 # preglow: thanks 00.10.17 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.t-2.net) 00.12.22 # XavierGr: semi faulty ? what was the problem ? 00.12.39 # roxfan[zzz]: i think LinusN is the one you are looking for, but i dont know what type of machine he has 00.12.59 # I understand there is a non-working ipod 5g serial driver available (serial from the dock, rather than serial-over-usb). Is it non-working in the sense that it doesn't actually work with the 5g hardware at all, or is it just buggy? 00.13.14 # roxfan[zzz]: Out of curiousity, what device is that flash chip in? 00.13.23 # rio karma 00.13.39 # the chip looks like i28F320C3B 00.13.49 # Why would you want to physically remove it? Is there no way to run third-party code on the Karma? 00.13.59 # nope 00.14.03 # encrypted firmware 00.14.11 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 00.14.26 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 00.14.27 # linuxstb- nobody decrypted it yet as far as I know (same goes for most other Rio devices) 00.14.43 # * stripwax remembers taking a look some time ago 00.14.45 # JdGordon: at lostlogic's now? 00.15.07 # toffe82: the screen was flickering with some white lines, not always visible 00.15.16 # the binary sorta looks like it's xored with a 32-byte key but i got nothing with standard xor attacks 00.15.23 # toffe82: but for 30 bucks the 30GB HD is still valuable 00.15.28 # though i'm not really a crypto guy 00.15.49 # toffe82: (not to mention that resitting the LCD might just fix the problem) 00.15.58 # XavierGr: yes, and perhaps a bad contact too 00.15.59 # stripwax: From what I know, the IPL kernel contains an attempt at a PP502x serial driver, but the IPL devs never got it to work. 00.17.13 # * linuxstb is surprised toffe82 wasn't the buyer of that $30 Gigabeat S... 00.17.32 # :) 00.18.06 # linuxstb: I think I didn't look on ebay for 2 or 3 weeks now 00.18.07 # linuxstb- interesting. should be possible to get some pointers from the diag mode (I think it tests serial..). I've got some bits to make an ipod dock<->ttl rs232 usb cable and fancy something new to play about with.. 00.18.51 # stripwax: I think you would make lots of friends if you could get that working... 00.19.05 # woohoo! more friends! :-) 00.19.48 # ;) 00.20.55 # hm, can i ask just 1 question not regarding rockbox? 00.21.07 # ipod serial? afaik it needs some resistor 00.21.23 # roxfan[zzz] - among other things, yes, it does 00.21.25 Join J3TC- [0] (n=jetc123@pool-71-125-77-210.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) 00.21.27 # scorche|w: yep 00.21.32 # kri: You already have ;) 00.21.32 # * JdGordon dead tired 00.22.05 # kri: Best to ask in #rockbox-community 00.22.45 # roxfan[zzz] - here http://www.hardwarebook.info/IPod_Dock 00.23.15 Join atsea- [0] (i=atsea-@gateway/tor/x-5e4cb1a2ad168d45) 00.23.22 Nick Gnu47 is now known as Gnu47laptop (n=Gnu47@private.ntwk.thita.net) 00.23.29 # also ordered the (lame) ipod 5g tv out cable to mess about with too. 00.24.49 # Does the diagmode test the tv-out? 00.25.02 Nick Gnu47laptop is now known as Gnu47 (n=Gnu47@unaffiliated/gnu47laptop) 00.25.44 # linuxstb - yep 00.26.20 # i'm semi-sorta-secretly wondering if tv-out is enabled by default and we just haven't noticed yet. 00.26.56 # The TV-Out has a separate framebuffer to the LCD - it won't mirror what's on the LCD. 00.27.31 Nick Gnu47 is now known as CmdrStarfleetGnu (n=Gnu47@private.ntwk.thita.net) 00.27.38 # But I doubt it's enabled, I'm almost certain it isn't on my ipod color (but it's been a long time since I tested) 00.28.01 # oh - that's that scotched then. well, something else to play with anyway, when I get the cable 00.28.30 # Yes, TV-out would be nice to get working, even though the CPU isn't really up to doing anything interesting at 640x480... 00.28.30 Quit ender` (" Light a fire for a man, and he's warm for a day. Light a man on fire, and he's warm for the rest of his life.") 00.28.48 # although - if we don't know how to control tv out, how do we know it has a separate framebuffer ? 00.29.10 # Because it doesn't display the same as the main LCD in the Apple firmware 00.29.42 # fair enough! 00.29.57 # * stripwax hasn't actually ever tried the Apple firmwaer 00.30.00 # re 00.30.36 # I just remember reading lots of questions from people asking if it's possible for the Apple menus to be displayed via the TV-out. On the Color/Photo ipod, only photos are seen via the TV-out, not the menus. 00.31.19 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 00.32.09 Join Soap_ [0] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 00.33.03 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@89-125-27-10.dhcp-ripwave.irishbroadband.ie) 00.33.58 Nick Soap_ is now known as Soap (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 00.35.55 Join backer [0] (n=chatzill@S010600095bfe5db1.vc.shawcable.net) 00.35.56 Quit barrywardell (Client Quit) 00.36.03 Nick backer is now known as jrbil29 (n=chatzill@S010600095bfe5db1.vc.shawcable.net) 00.36.16 Join psycho_maniac [0] (i=psycho_m@ppp532.hk.centurytel.net) 00.37.40 Join james01 [0] (i=james@gateway/tor/x-af14ac4cfbd94044) 00.39.43 Quit idnar (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.40.38 Nick CmdrStarfleetGnu is now known as Gnu47 (n=Gnu47@private.ntwk.thita.net) 00.42.34 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.43.32 Join [1]psycho_maniac [0] (i=psycho_m@ppp036.hk.centurytel.net) 00.44.48 Quit psycho_maniac (Nick collision from services.) 00.44.49 Nick [1]psycho_maniac is now known as psycho_maniac (i=psycho_m@ppp036.hk.centurytel.net) 00.45.31 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@STRATTON-FORTY-SEVEN.MIT.EDU) 00.46.03 Quit james01 (Remote closed the connection) 00.46.23 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet26.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 00.47.42 Join james01 [0] (i=james@gateway/tor/x-d7a7a5478b4c5654) 00.48.48 Quit EspeonEefi (Client Quit) 00.49.07 Quit petur ("Zzzzz") 00.50.15 Join Chronon_ [0] (n=vircuser@d23-104.uoregon.edu) 00.54.44 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 00.55.45 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet26.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 00.56.59 # Is there any reason MoB buffering should be more CPU intensive than the old buffering? 00.57.03 # laggy status bar :/ 00.58.14 Quit psycho_maniac (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- In tests, 0x09 out of 0x0A l33t h4x0rz prefer it :)") 00.59.00 Quit scorche|w ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 00.59.03 # Llorean: it shouldn't be, it has an additional thread but I don't see why it would eat more cpu time. 00.59.59 # lostlogic: Well, on and off, I've been seeing people reporting more audio dropouts since MoB was added, and some of them claim it's during disk reads. 01.00.12 Quit DerPapst ("So Long And Thanks For All The Fish!") 01.00.14 # So, maybe not more CPU intensive, but larger periods of time without yielding perhaps? 01.00.17 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 01.01.40 # lack of yielding sounds plausible 01.01.41 # I do get audio dropouts on initial buffering after switching on (with resume on startup) 01.02.12 # At one point it dropped out for almost a minute, filling the buffer, but I wasn't able to reproduce that (unfortunately - sounded like a doozy) 01.02.21 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 01.02.41 # turning off database auto update and dircache seemed to help, however. Too much disk thrashing, perhaps? 01.03.24 Quit animeloe ("Leaving") 01.04.25 Quit fokussiert (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.05.27 # Either way, it seems that without changing settings some people are experiencing dropouts now where they wouldn't previously 01.06.53 Join animeloe [0] (n=animeloe@unaffiliated/animeloe) 01.09.07 # Llorean - according to sim, the same file gets opened repeatedly several times during initial buffering - is that expected? 01.09.17 # No idea 01.09.30 Quit jrbil29 ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.10/2007112611]") 01.10.36 # stripwax: yes 01.11.03 # there might be room for improvement there 01.11.34 # Might it be more disk-intensive (rather than CPU intensive) than befoer 01.11.42 # * stripwax really can't type properly this evening 01.11.56 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 01.13.21 # that's quite possible, yes 01.13.33 # * Nico_P will have a look, possibly tomorrow 01.13.46 # fwiw, here's an example http://pastebin.ca/upload.php 01.14.15 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01.14.22 Quit Soap (Nick collision from services.) 01.14.34 # each .ogg seems to get opened two or three times 01.14.34 # stripwax: I doubt that's the link you wanted to paste ;) 01.14.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.14.53 # err.. right!! 01.15.00 # http://pastebin.ca/801114 01.15.30 Join Soap [0] (i=d8c93873@rockbox/staff/soap) 01.17.17 # ATM, files will typically be opened once for metadata loading, once by bufopen (to get the filesize), and once for buffering 01.17.45 # Llorean: we've futzed with the yield codec, that is it's gone now, that's more likely the cause than MoB 01.17.46 # maybe dircache could help on getting the filesize 01.18.03 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.18.56 # * stripwax needs his beauty sleep 01.18.59 # good-night 01.19.01 # * Nico_P too 01.19.06 # :) 01.19.08 # stripwax: gnight 01.19.21 # lostlogic: "the yield codec"? 01.19.31 # Can anyone see what i am writing? 01.19.33 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 01.19.40 # oooh, boards of canada 01.19.46 # DrCrow_: Yes. 01.19.56 # ok, thanks 01.22.28 Quit JdGordon (Remote closed the connection) 01.23.32 # propably a dumb question, but int is 32 bit in rockbox, right? 01.23.50 # yes 01.23.59 # thanks 01.24.16 Join webguest46 [0] (i=cfd4e1ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4485270d2a4cc992) 01.24.27 Quit webguest46 (Client Quit) 01.25.23 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 01.25.24 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 01.28.38 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 01.30.39 # there was one target that had 16 bit int at some point wasn't there? 01.30.48 # PaulJam: rockbox types are what you'd expect on most 32 bit computers 01.30.49 # I think the gmini or whatever? 01.30.57 # gmini at 16 bit int 01.31.02 # at/had/rofl 01.31.49 # Any place you're depending on an int to be 32 bits, shouldn't you be using a type for that purpose rather than just expecting int always to be though? 01.34.52 # preglow: what about boards of canada? 01.34.56 # buffering shouldn't be more CPU intensive. actually it should be doing a better job letting the codec run and irrelevant when the buffer is filled. 01.37.11 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@STRATTON-THREE-SIXTY-SEVEN.MIT.EDU) 01.37.58 # markun: just saw geogaddi in stripwax' pastebin 01.38.28 # jhMikeS: Well then perhaps something's going wrong. I've definitely noticed a significant increase in people reporting audio skipping, and several of them have specifically mentioned it happening while buffering 01.39.34 # Any report on their setup? I saw no evidence of it being near that even on a 3g ipod which is about as slow a rockbox target as exists. 01.39.50 # what's the current status of the Gigabeat S port? 01.40.12 # XavierGr: going forward, but nothing huge yet 01.40.22 # would you people please stop mentioning them? :> 01.40.32 # hmm, I've never used rockbox before. I'm running Linux right now but I can dual boot this machine into Windows. Should I go for the automated install or manual install on Linux or on Windows? 01.40.59 # preglow: gigabeast, gigabeast. why not pick one up? :) 01.41.11 # jhMikeS: I've seen reports on 2G and Video iPods that I specifically remember 01.41.30 # jhMikeS: i think i intend to, when cash comes by 01.41.37 # is this true?......Release. 01.41.37 # There has not yet been a stable release for the Ipod Video. Until there is a stable release for Ipod Video, use a current build. 01.41.42 # jhMikeS: high time i got a new target now anyway, might as well get a cool one 01.41.43 # preglow: bootable or it still needs very low level drivers? 01.41.59 # XavierGr: we're on the bootloader stage yet 01.42.09 Join DM| [0] (n=dm@cpe-65-24-163-189.columbus.res.rr.com) 01.42.10 # preglow: I think we might be past the bootloader stage? 01.42.17 # I wonder if I could help if in the end I get one 01.42.23 # Last I heard they had it loading a rockbox binary, which proceeded to logo and freeze 01.42.27 # Llorean: then do correct me 01.42.32 # cool, i didn't know that 01.42.34 Quit hcs ("Leaving.") 01.42.35 # Llorean: I'll say there seems to be more CPU activity when not buffering at all. A test I ran showed about 39% boost on a particular file before MoB, and about 43% after. 01.42.42 # though I don't really know if I have the skills... 01.42.56 # FunkyELF: yes, there is no release yet, but what there is is very usable 01.43.07 # FunkyELF: we kind of suck at the whole release thing 01.43.10 # jhMikeS: Actually, this most recent one is reporting it with FLAC, which honestly can't really run out of CPU... 01.43.24 # but if I get one of those beauties it is a damn motive to get my hands dirty :) 01.43.26 # preglow: precisely. could do nice DSP plugins on that I think. 01.43.47 # Llorean: FLAC? Flac doesn't even cause boost with tone controls on on e200. 01.44.32 Join psycho_maniac [0] (i=psycho_m@ppp130.hk.centurytel.net) 01.45.12 # jhMikeS: Yeah, my brain clearly wasn't connecting all the dots. Previous reports had been with MP3 and AAC and other lossy formats 01.45.44 # preglow, would you go with the Manual or Auto install and on which OS, Linux or Windows? 01.45.54 # * psycho_maniac currently has a Gigabeat F80 ! :D 01.46.07 # jhMikeS: FLAC could just be a bad low watermark, but there's still the issue that I've seen several people reporting that, supposedly without changing anything, audio has become skippy and all the reports have been varying lengths of time after the MoB commit. Doesn't mean it was MoB, just thought that was the most likely candidate. 01.46.25 # FunkyELF: Auto if it works. Manual if auto says it can't find your iPod 01.46.46 Join B|utEnge| [0] (n=Mrfelche@216.7.125.164) 01.47.25 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 01.47.47 Quit advcomp2019 (Nick collision from services.) 01.47.53 Nick advcomp2019_ is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 01.48.21 # LloreaN: I dunno, FLAC PCM stays pegged at the top with 0% boost. I think about the only lighter to decode format is WAV or AIFF. I think more info is needed about when and how. 01.49.00 Quit B|utEnge| (":::: ( UPP ) ::::") 01.49.06 # jhMikeS: Most recent person reporting something: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14058.msg105232;topicseen#msg105232 01.49.40 # * jhMikeS proceeds to try to play FLAC with all DSP effects enabled 01.50.13 Nick scorche` is now known as scorche (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 01.50.24 # jhMikeS: Try watching the PCM buffer on flac during rebuffer maybe? 01.51.49 # ok about 47% boost with literally everything on. :) 01.51.57 # hmm, I'm using the auto installer. When it says to select my device in the filesystem is it /dev/sdc or is it /media/myIpod ? 01.52.14 # FunkyELF: /media/blah 01.53.33 # "It seem your Bootloader is already up to date. Do you really want to install it?" 01.53.45 # codec way dominates and fills the PCM buffer within a couple seconds when playback is starting (everything still on) 01.53.48 # I've never installed rockbox before, is it talking about the ipod bootloader? 01.54.05 # FunkyELF: it shouldn't claim that... 01.54.21 # preglow, I said cancel 01.54.26 # preglow, ignore rather 01.54.33 Join axionix_ [0] (n=axion@cpe-74-70-239-192.nycap.res.rr.com) 01.54.43 # there's never any real danger of bricking an ipod, so you could try 01.54.55 # Network error. Request aborted. Please check your network and proxy settings 01.54.55 # but as far as i know, it shouldn't claim you have an up to date bootloader if you've never installed rockbox 01.55.02 # * FunkyELF will try the manual installation method now ;-) 01.55.45 # the entire file buffer fills in about 4 seconds with nothing on, PCM approx. 1 02.00.19 Quit Chronon_ ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 02.01.26 Quit advcomp2019 ("Ex-Chat") 02.02.06 Quit Chronon ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 02.02.30 # Llorean: these are dailies being dicussed? 15550 was a swedish .lang update. 02.02.41 # jhMikeS: I'm sure they're dailies. 02.02.52 # jhMikeS: People in the forums almost always refer to dailies. 02.03.43 # jhMikeS: 15550 is well after MoB though, isn't it? 02.04.37 # the yield_codec removal (my variation) was 15724 02.05.03 # Ah 02.08.21 # hmm, i installed rockbox but now I can't seem to get back into the original ipod firmware....i thought that following the directions would give me a "dual boot" installation 02.09.28 # FunkyELF: It does. Are you following the steps in the manual for booting the original firmware? 02.09.42 # when you boot the player when the apple logo turns on switch the hold button on and it will load the Original firmware. 02.10.15 Quit axionix (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.10.52 Join karashata [0] (n=karashat@207.61.208.119) 02.11.54 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.14.02 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 02.14.02 Quit kubiixx (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.15.09 Part toffe82 02.16.19 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 02.16.32 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 02.19.43 Join advcomp2019 [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 02.20.23 # * jhMikeS begins the revision checkout process to find the pp5002 oddness *yawn* 02.20.49 # See you in a few weeks then. :-P 02.21.12 # it's been widdled down to some time around Oct. 16 02.21.13 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 02.22.06 # so I'll seach by month, week, then revision for the datestamp. 02.22.43 # Last Oct. 1 revision seems good 02.23.08 Part johnf1911 02.23.41 # how many bloody source files are in rockbox anyway? I haven't done a full co in some time and it's definitely quite a number now. 02.24.13 # you just want to count the bloody ones? 02.24.14 # "A lot" 02.24.51 # yeah, probably some fancy "find" expression that skips .svn dirs 02.25.29 # Ohloh says 480,500 lines 02.25.36 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 02.25.48 # find . -type f maybe? 02.26.05 # hrm, lousy .svn directories 02.30.25 Quit goffa_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.30.59 # Llorean: i wonder how many are codecs 02.32.55 # a quick find|xargs cat|wc -l suggests about 280k lines 02.32.56 # damn, a huge number are bitmaps, more than half 02.33.01 # trying to look through these docs....you'd think the quickstart would tell you where to put the music 02.33.38 # jhMikeS: those are generated build time, not counted by ohloh 02.33.47 # almost half rather 02.33.51 # FunkyELF: you put it where ever you want. Generally people create a music folder in the root (i.e. e:/ or whatever your drive letter is) and put their music there 02.34.00 # I haven't built anything in that tree 02.34.19 # orly? i thought the bitmap source files were generated from headers 02.34.37 # ehh 02.34.40 # from bitmaps..... 02.34.42 # * preglow needs sleep 02.35.36 # c, h, S = 1816 add bitmap and it's 3042 02.35.42 # damn, we're pretty close to being able to just eliminate the malloc buffer 02.35.44 Quit kubiix (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.36.13 Quit zicho (Remote closed the connection) 02.36.45 Quit PaulJam (".") 02.36.50 # the only two major annoyances left are vorbis and aac, the rest is contained container handling 02.36.59 Quit Billenium ("Ex-Chat") 02.37.25 # contained containers? so much packaging these days. :) 02.38.03 # preglow: How big is the malloc buffer? 02.38.15 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@207.155.176.3) 02.38.40 # 512kb, afaik 02.38.58 Join kfazz [0] (n=ken@76-203-137-185.lightspeed.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net) 02.39.49 # 512k for malloc, and another 512k for codecs? 02.39.53 # aac should be easy enough to demallocify 02.39.56 # tremor is going to be a bitch 02.39.58 # Llorean: yes, afaik 02.40.42 # preglow: I tested spc without the tag writing in spc.c, seems like that was the problem 02.40.51 # hcs: good, like i expected, then :) 02.41.05 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 02.41.06 # we should retain the possibility to have a malloc buffer in some way, though, to ease porting codecs 02.41.10 # not that we have many left to port... 02.41.20 # preglow: I'm going to check over other codecs, and commit that fix 02.41.35 # hcs: don't think there are many that do that stuff anymore, but please do 02.41.50 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 02.42.05 # codecs used to be responsible for all the meta fillin? 02.42.06 # nsf.c does 02.42.17 # jhMikeS: don't think so, no, just hacks  02.42.20 # preglow: Maybe just a #ifdef NEED_MALLOC or something? 02.42.27 # Get rid of it, but make it easy to bring back? 02.42.33 # and nsf doesn't have a metadata parser, that's bad 02.42.34 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 02.42.54 Part pixelma 02.43.08 # preglow: you mean in the core? 02.43.21 # jhMikeS: aye, it does have its own, in the codec, but that's nasty 02.43.55 # ouch, speex has one 02.43.56 # codecs frankly shouldn't need to do any of their own looking anyway 02.43.58 # preglow: ok, ok, I'll fix it 02.44.04 # i'll fix that, at least 02.44.24 # (nsf and spc, as they're my fault) 02.44.29 Quit JdGordon (Remote closed the connection) 02.44.45 # hcs: yep, add a parser for nsf in apps/metadata 02.45.16 # blah, it's a big nasty thing that has to deal with chunks and potentially read the whole file 02.46.04 # lucky you, then :) 02.46.10 # but please do try to make it as small as possible 02.46.19 # * preglow thinks we might want metadata plugins some day 02.46.43 # * Llorean thinks so too 02.46.45 # splice them onto the codecs as a separately loadable program 02.47.05 # jhMikeS: i'd love the chance to compile a selection statically, though 02.47.12 # jhMikeS: like mp3, etc, which always everyone will want to have 02.47.19 # jhMikeS: but stuff like xm loaders should be plugins 02.47.29 # jhMikeS: or, again, statically linked, if you happen to like the format 02.47.32 Join spence_ [0] (n=scarter@24-247-143-68.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) 02.47.46 # i wonder how hard that'd be to pull off 02.48.10 # so, can anyone tell me what a virgin iPod directory listing looks like?....what are these ._.Trashes ._.VolumeIcon.icns .ColumeIcon.icns .Trashes and .Spotlight-V100 ? 02.48.51 Join RonOverdrive [0] (n=overdriv@64.241.37.140) 02.49.29 # FunkyELF: those are all files created by Mac OS X 02.49.36 # all you need is a loadable section directory in the header and it be contained in the codec...load the desired file section. I've been pondering this to have a system to allow mpegplayer itself to be larger than the plugin buffer and support multiple formats in a self contained file. 02.49.42 # heya, does anyone know how to sync FLAC files to a rockbox enabled iPod? 02.49.53 # FunkyELF: actually one of them is from a Linux box I think 02.50.25 # okay...I'm about to boot into windows and erase all of my music from there to free up some space to make music available to rockbox. I wanted to go back to a virgin install.... 02.50.28 # RonOverdrive: copy it? there's nothing to sync 02.51.19 # it'll play normally if I just copy the files over manually? 02.51.25 # yup 02.51.58 # does iTunes have that functionality to wipe it clean and have it "virgin" ? 02.52.14 # FunkyELF: I think a "restore" will do what you want 02.52.21 # but then you'll have to reinstall Rockbox 02.52.43 # safetydan, thats fine....it was nothing 02.52.54 # * FunkyELF reboots into Windows 02.53.00 Quit FunkyELF ("Leaving") 02.54.24 # jhMikeS: shouldn't be hard at all, no, nor should allowing #idef based conditional static compilation of them, now that i think about it 02.56.42 # * jhMikeS just installed an oct 1 build...no change...then built an oct 1 bootloader...bingo...works fine 02.57.07 # i'll leave you to your fun 02.57.09 # gnight 02.57.27 # later 02.58.03 # how can i disable sansa e200 OF db refresh? OEM Ver.: S301.02.18A-D 02.58.20 # i already updated the bootloader and connected usb to turn it on, it doesn't work 03.02.14 # bootloader text mentions diasbling it too 03.03.46 Join rayjgu3 [0] (n=rjg@c-67-173-140-250.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 03.04.43 # hello all 03.05.01 # i got me a e280 sansa 03.05.12 # rayjgu3: I'm sorry, but there's no "all" here right now. :P 03.05.25 # im running a 64 bit linux 03.05.35 # ok 03.05.42 # hey you 03.05.54 # mouser_X 03.06.24 # ? 03.06.35 # im following the directions here 03.06.38 # http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-build.html 03.07.05 # under installation 03.07.12 # preglow: speex has one what? 03.07.38 # im clicking on bianary for 64 bit linux but page is not active 03.08.05 # page not found 03.08.06 # did you chmod +x it? 03.08.17 # i cant get file 03.08.23 # to chmod it 03.08.25 # oh that binary 03.08.56 # yeah this one 03.08.59 # http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/sansapatcher/linux64amd64/sansapatcher 03.10.54 # i got a laptop with windows but windows dont recognize it properly 03.11.34 # rayjgu3: Can you use the 32 bit version? 03.11.43 # The Linux 32 bit version, that is? 03.11.48 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 03.11.58 # http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/sansapatcher/linux32x86/ 03.13.45 # ok so i chmod this ? 03.14.01 Quit GodEater_ (Connection timed out) 03.14.04 # jmworx: preglow was talking about the Rockbox speex.c which has it's own Ogg metadata parser. Nothing to do with libspeex 03.14.30 # ah 03.14.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.14.46 # rayjgu3: I have no idea. I don't use Linux. I was wondering if that was useable for you. 03.16.14 Join mathow [0] (i=1898e26a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e56d07fb8a57589a) 03.16.20 Quit mathow (Client Quit) 03.16.28 # well further investigating its for a 32 bit 03.16.33 Join mathow [0] (i=1898e26a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5f88432978919a6f) 03.16.41 # the link for the 64 bit is dead 03.16.54 # http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/e200/ 03.17.11 # click on [DIR] linux64amd64/ 03.17.13 # rayjgu3: Indeed it is. That's why I lead you to the 32 bit one, and asked if it worked. 03.17.26 # can anyone offer help w/ full-screen album art on toshiba f40? 03.17.41 # yeah 03.17.43 # * Mouser_X doesn't use album art. 03.17.51 # (I 03.17.56 # ok ill give it a go 03.17.58 # 'd rather use the space for music.) 03.18.14 # try to get a 32 bit going 03.18.17 # thanks 03.18.22 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 03.18.40 # me too but it can only be a few megs... not much lost 03.18.54 # tnx anyway... anyone else? 03.18.55 # 224KB at the most 03.19.19 # 400 albums worth of art = 1 album of music. 03.19.54 # * Mouser_X has over 60,000 songs on his Gigabeat... Album art might collect in size quickly... 03.19.55 # (at HA recomended lossy bitrates) 03.19.55 # * jhMikeS gets scared he's gonna get banished but is willing to repent if it turns out his fault :p 03.20.17 # you have 60,000 songs - but they're all chip music aren't they? 03.20.42 # About 40,000 or so. 03.20.56 # (Quite possibly more, I didn't keep accurate count.) 03.21.15 # mathow: what's the problem? 03.21.18 # 32,000 are SIDs. That I know for sure. 03.21.32 # right... 167mb of art... anyway =P 03.21.37 # OK here it is 03.22.45 # I'd love to be able to flick the hold switch and have only album art, nothing else... I tried w/ conditional tags for the hold sw and it will not work... any ideas? 03.23.04 # ah, so it's a wps problem, have you looked through the forums? 03.23.09 # I'm sure this topic has come up before 03.23.24 # tried like hell and couldn't find anything useful 03.23.49 # when does LambdaCalculus379 usually come on? 03.23.49 # I thought i read something about it the other day but if i did i sure can't find it again 03.27.15 # hmm... does this mean nobody can help? =( 03.27.53 Join billenium [0] (n=billeniu@c-69-249-243-110.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 03.28.09 # mathow: http://rockbox-themes.cleansoap.org/index.php?res=320x240x16 one of the ipod themes does what you want, though it seems to require a custom build. Maybe it can be modified for the album art in SVN 03.28.31 Quit RonOverdrive ("Leaving") 03.28.31 # look for the one called "Hidden Info" 03.28.33 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.28.33 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 03.29.14 Quit Galois (Remote closed the connection) 03.29.15 # thanks. I'll see what I can do though anything more than html or a wps is out of my league. appreciate it! 03.29.36 Join Galois [0] (i=djao@efnet-math.org) 03.29.45 Quit Soap ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 03.30.17 Quit Gnu47 ("Ex-Chat") 03.30.17 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.30.24 Join Gnu47 [0] (i=Gnu47@private.ntwk.thita.net) 03.33.19 Join Soap-Bar [0] (i=d8c93873@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-1545f93820dd7a03) 03.34.38 Quit mathow ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03.34.44 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 03.35.00 Join koider [0] (n=koider@modemcable153.152-59-74.mc.videotron.ca) 03.35.34 # anyone knows where i can get ipodpatcher source code? 03.36.10 # i've looked in the source archive, tools/ipodpatcher is empty :( 03.36.10 Quit linuxstb__ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 03.36.18 # koider: Download via SVN then 03.36.38 # trying to find the url or something on the website... 03.37.10 # svn co -r 12345 over an existing checkout will work correctly? 03.37.41 # koider: What URL? Check out the sources using SVN... 03.37.53 # koider: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingSVN 03.38.01 # jhMikeS: What are you trying to do? 03.38.13 # binary search this pp5002 problem 03.38.16 # running on openbsd 03.38.23 # jhMikeS: svn update -r 12345, I think 03.38.34 # koider: There's no subversion client for openbsd? 03.39.01 # yup there is, didn't see you were talkin to jhmikes, ignore me ;-) 03.39.25 # yeah, but I'm doing it over a checkout without deleting the previous one. seems to have lots of U's and A's and D's so it must be doing something 03.39.45 # jhMikeS: yeah update to revision (i.e. update -r) is what you want, you can even use dates instead of revisions 03.40.37 # then I'm doing it right :). I'm picking the last -r on a particular date since and problem on that date would include it. 03.40.48 # *that problem 03.43.55 # blah, everything's fine up to 15 Nov 03.44.10 # That recent forum post regarding Nano glitching sure sounds like the ATA issue's symptoms 03.44.59 # Soap-Bar: Well, it's still true that we don't know *why* the "fix" works, so its entirely possible we've only half solved it. 03.45.22 # We're back to the pre-80mhz state where only a very few will still experience symptoms, maybe? 03.45.42 # yea - since mine was so easy to make glitch I really need to play with it again. 03.49.41 # 11-22 is a bust 03.49.57 Join funkyelf [0] (n=not@105.149.243.24.cfl.res.rr.com) 03.50.31 # hey guys, I just booted into windows and plugged my iPod in. Now it says new hardware detected rockbox media player, but the drive didn't get mapped....any ideas? 03.51.48 # funkyelf: the USB stack doesn't fully work yet, at the moment all it does is request full power from the USB port for charging purposes 03.52.24 # jhMikeS: I admire your patience, I remember how painfull it was to find which revision broke the iriver bootloaders... 03.53.00 # karashata, it gets mounted under Linux though right? 03.53.10 # funkyelf: not that I'm aware of 03.53.34 # though I don't use Linux so I can't check myself to prove anything right or wrong 03.53.37 # karashata, so you need to boot into the original apple firmware to hook it up and transfer files? 03.53.43 # yes 03.53.58 # until the USB stack is fully incorperated and operational 03.54.50 # * funkyelf needs to reboot 03.54.53 Quit funkyelf (Client Quit) 03.55.47 # XavierGr: this is indeed painful. I know it within the week now. A few more iterations should get it. 03.56.28 Join funkyelf [0] (n=not@105.149.243.24.cfl.res.rr.com) 03.57.03 # funkyelf: nope, it doesn't get mounted. no usb mass storage stuck on the rb yet, so no way to mount it (nothing to mount, to be more precise) 03.57.27 # funkyelf: but i think it will be just a matter of time. with any luck we'll have it for christmas :) 03.57.46 # that would turn out to be a nice christmas gift 03.57.54 # working UMS connectivity in Rockbox 03.58.01 # no more having to boot the OF 03.59.15 # sorry, I left and came back....so it doesn't work in Linux either right? 03.59.30 # Working UMS mode on PP targets and PP power issues fixed = the day the devs need to get together and take a finger up photo and mail it to PP. 03.59.30 # jhMikeS: i was thinking: is it possible to change the bootloader a bit so you can have multiple instances of rb an load them alternatively as you wish? maybe it would be easyer for you than to keep replacing the rb every time (like backup the music, put all the versions you want on at once, and than reboot the player untill you find the guilty one) 04.00.07 # funkyelf: according to nanok there's nothing to be mounted yet as UMS isn't incorperated into the current USB stack 04.00.55 # karashata: funkyelf afaik, there is not difference from this point of view, there just is now working mass storage stack on the player yet 04.01.37 # but, if i understood correctly from zagor, at least a limited version even of ums was allready tested and seems to work fine 04.02.07 # so, all hope is not lost ;) 04.02.27 # (no difference between linux and windows, i mean) 04.03.18 # nanok: No doubt it's possible, but is it wanted widely enough to bother or is it even not wanted in general? Rockbox would have to be able to run from different .rockbox directories (which isn't possible now) 04.03.44 # Soap-Bar: no idea about the power issues, but ums i think (read: hope) is close 04.04.47 # would the exit button be considered a control on a plugin? 04.05.22 # jhMikeS: uhm, okay. it was more like a shot in the dark, admitedly. i only used rb for about a month or two i guess, now, and all i can say is i wouldn't use such a feature, i allways put the current one in, and i never find it lacking compared to the previous one 04.05.30 # in other words. you have a list of controls for the plugin. would you think of seeing exit under that list? 04.05.37 # yeah, maybe there are some bugs, but that's not so bad usually 04.05.53 # Thought it would be possible to copy trees to the .rockbox directory on startup to hack around the issue :) 04.06.00 # *Though 04.06.04 # ok so rbutil says bootloader is installed but it still boots up sansa? 04.06.12 # psycho_maniac: if i understand you correctly, yes, i would :) 04.06.22 # thank you nanok 04.07.02 # rayjgu3: did you install the actual firmware files? is there a .rockbox directory on your sansa somewhere? 04.07.12 Join zicho [0] (n=martin@c-5f9fe355.68-7-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 04.07.26 # yes .rockbox is in root of dir 04.07.30 # jhMikeS: it was just a thought to help developers pinpoint issues like you are trying now (traceback would be the correct word). i was thinking about that, if it would be linux i would have mentioned it, but rb internals are too foreign to me 04.07.46 # s/that/copying over to .rockbox on boot 04.07.56 # hm, rather on shutdown 04.08.46 # psycho_maniac: mind you, that is just my user view, i have no idea what the rb "best practice" about this is, if there is one 04.10.32 # i added this to a wiki page because i thought it would be necessary. when you enter a plugin you usually want to know how to exit it. so i added it. 04.11.52 # psycho_maniac: in my humble dumb user oppinion, it is a good idea 04.15.56 Quit funkyelf () 04.16.08 Quit japc (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.20.20 Quit zicho (Remote closed the connection) 04.20.32 # nanok: by far most of the time is spent building the revisions anyway. copying is the least of it. 04.20.54 Join zicho [0] (n=martin@c-5f9fe355.68-7-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 04.22.57 # jhMikeS: uhm, okay. i kind of assumed there was a way to "bulk-build" them 04.23.19 Quit zicho (Remote closed the connection) 04.24.52 # I'm doing binsearch so which ones I need varies by the results otherwise I might need 1000 ahead of time instead of just a few 04.32.13 Quit goffa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.32.16 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 04.33.38 Quit kri (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.37.06 Part rayjgu3 ("Kopete 0.12.4 : http://kopete.kde.org") 04.44.39 Quit karashata ("I will *SO* make you regret that... Later... *is a lazy dragon*") 04.46.31 Quit kfazz ("Leaving") 04.51.03 Join FunkyELF [0] (n=funkyelf@105.149.243.24.cfl.res.rr.com) 04.51.18 # are there any games for iPod Video besides doom? 04.51.30 # plenty 04.52.37 Join preet [0] (n=preet@bas1-toronto21-1242460386.dsl.bell.ca) 04.54.01 # hcs, just not linked to from rockbox.org? 04.54.12 # FunkyELF: have a look at the plugin menu on your ipod 04.54.16 # or even the friendly manual 04.54.43 # oh....it comes with it...I thought it'd be a separate download since doom is 04.54.53 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 04.55.41 # doom's not a separate download, just the data files it uses are 04.56.25 # also pacman 04.58.18 Quit DaCapn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.59.00 Quit Soap-Bar ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 05.00.50 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.00.54 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF6576.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.02.29 # hey all... I just used the arm-elf-objdump command to disassemble a BL.rom file. I used terminal, so I got a bunch of output, I wanted to ask how I can copy the output to a file so I can go through it, because the content gets cut off after awhile in terminal (ie I can't see what was at the beginning of the output) 05.03.48 # any resources for creating themes? I just downloaded the simulator. I took a look at some of the theme files....whats with the bitmaps in the icons directory? They all have a pink background? 05.04.24 # FunkyELF: See the CustomWPS wiki page 05.04.59 Quit goffa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.05.19 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 05.05.38 # Llorean, tried searching for wps, then customwps... 05.05.47 # * FunkyELF doesn't know how to use twiki apparently, just mediawiki 05.06.14 # nevermind....I used the "go", not the "search' 05.06.27 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.10.40 # preet: something like arm-elf-objdump BL.rom > dump.txt 05.10.41 # Llorean, I'm looking at a Pen&Paper.cfg and it has stuff like "iconset: /.rockbox/icons/penpaper.24x24x16.bmp" but that wiki page doesn't mention anything about iconset 05.11.12 # FunkyELF: The iconset has nothing to do with the While Playing Screen. 05.11.16 # preet: basically redirects stdout of the command to a file 05.11.37 Join Soap [0] (i=d8c93873@rockbox/staff/soap) 05.11.50 # FunkyELF: For iconset information, see the CustomIcons page. 05.14.39 # I figured out my previous question... now, I guess this is really general but how can I start interpreting/understanding the output of arm-elf-objdump -D. There are four columns, with different data. Is there a book/guide somewhere this is covered? 05.14.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.15.57 # like I'd probably be looking for some sort of guide for the ARM processor? 05.16.34 # preet: not exactly a small topic. 05.16.49 # have you identified which arm processor? are you familiar with arm assembler at all? 05.17.26 Join webguest77 [0] (i=c87643a9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-aa15819a84b77e7f) 05.17.55 # I can probably identify the arm processor from the rockbox wiki, It's whatever is inside the Olympus MR-100. I know it's no small task but I'm willing to spend the time and effort reqd in learning... I'm not familiar with arm assembler but I know C/C++. 05.20.50 Quit DM| ("*bashes head against keyboard*") 05.23.20 Join eigma [0] (i=eigma@216.48.162.210) 05.25.52 Nick spence_ is now known as sdcarter (n=scarter@24-247-143-68.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) 05.27.38 # isn't there already work going on to support that? or is the mrobe different? 05.27.43 Nick Doomed_ is now known as alienbiker99 (n=alienbik@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net) 05.27.46 # mrobe? what what? 05.27.54 # * eigma goes to read the logs 05.29.29 # ah, I see the mrobe is the mr:500 05.30.34 # Olympus m:robe 500i == mr500 == the one with the big screen and touch 05.31.25 # I believe it's also the one with the HDD (versus flash for the 100) 05.31.52 Join Chronon [0] (n=knoppix@c-24-21-45-96.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 05.32.01 # preet: your best bet is look at the existing portal player targets bootloader and try and understand what they're doing. Then compare to your dissasembled code. Are you sure the file you're looking at isn't encrypted though? 05.32.03 # erm, rather, I believe the 100 uses flash. I know for sure the 500 has a HDD. :-) 05.33.00 Join goffa_ [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 05.35.43 # Hi! 05.35.57 # !! 05.36.00 # I have a little problem! 05.36.03 # omg zombies 05.36.40 # I want to change the behavior of the keys in my GIGABEAT F40 as the way is working 05.38.24 # Is there a question? 05.38.40 Quit goffa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.39.18 # sorry, some interruption here! 05.40.36 Quit goffa_ (Remote closed the connection) 05.40.55 # As I was saying I usually put my Gigabeat in a jackets/pants pocket and go through the playlist using the forward/backward button *without* getting it out of the pocket as I don't other people checking it out ... 05.41.27 # * Mouser_X *wants* people to see his Gigabeat, in the hopes that they'll get one... 05.41.50 # (But not from me. I prefer my Gigabeat to stay in my possession.) 05.42.11 # webguest77: and? 05.42.30 # I went afk for a little bit. I want to help the port for the MR100 along. Some work (by lowlines) has already been done on it, I think the LCD works, and the part that lacks support right now is the synaptics touch sensitive buttons. I'm pretty sure the file I'm looking at is decrypted, I didn't take it off my device, I got it off a specific site. 05.43.07 # The problem is that with the change of the behavour of the A button and central button of the navigator, I keep pressing unvoluntarily the central button with change/*messes* completely eith my usually carefully prepared playlist as it show the last folder used and activates one fthe files in the folder... 05.43.51 # webguest77: you'll have to make your own build with the keymap changes you want 05.44.11 # So i lost my playlist and have to get out the Gigabeat from the pocket and start preparing the playlist again... 05.45.27 # either that, or try setting "Warn on erase of dynamic playlist" on 05.45.37 # so... is there a way to tell Rockbox to not use at all the central button (short touch), or to use it to pause or something less modifying (like playpause or resturn to the main menu, etc)? 05.46.18 # Safetydan : Where is that setting? 05.47.15 # webguest77: It's not a setting. You'd have to modify the sourcecode to Rockbox, and build/compile your own version. 05.47.20 # webguest77: somewhere in there. Search the manual. 05.47.42 # if that doesn't work, then yes you'll have to modify the source to make your own keymap 05.47.42 # Though, I guess it could be considered a setting within the source. 05.47.54 # Is there a way to use some sort of .CFG to change this or an option within the settings? 05.48.24 Quit Gnu47 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.48.26 # webguest77: the warning on playlist erase is a setting you can change through the settings menu. 05.48.47 # The actual behaviour of the buttons you'll have to change in the source code of Rockbox and make your own build. 05.48.52 # I think is more straightforward for anyone who want to change the keymap not to compile private version, or am I wrong? 05.49.16 # no, there's no easier way to do it 05.51.00 # Perhaps can it be considered for a future build? as I don't think I'm alone with this, with many people having similar situations ...? 05.52.00 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 05.52.35 # custom keymaps are not likely to ever be supported 05.52.41 # For now, I'll check the settings for the 'Warn before playlist erase' although I think is possible that I also unvoluntarily press the central button which would confirm the warning, but I'll try it out 05.52.56 # Thanks SafetDan and MouserX 05.53.32 # See you! 05.55.44 Nick billenium is now known as BilleniumzZz (n=billeniu@c-69-249-243-110.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 05.56.20 Quit webguest77 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 05.58.13 # Hey... I'm sorry to keep bugging you. SafetyDan, I think your suggestion about following another portalplayer target is great, but where can I find something like this? Archived forum posts? The portalplayer chip the MR100 uses is the same one in the iPod mini, which I think rockbox supports... I just want some direction. 05.58.56 # preet: have you checked out the rockbox source code? 05.59.30 # nope... ' 06.01.19 # then you should start by doing that and looking it over 06.01.28 Quit goffa (Remote closed the connection) 06.07.12 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 06.16.17 Quit eigma (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.18.38 # who was saying before that you had to go into the original firmware to mount the ipod? I'm in Linux right now and its mounted 06.22.10 # FunkyELF: Rockbox doesn't have a USB mode on iPods 06.22.14 # You're in the original firmware 06.22.38 # Is there a bit circle with a line diagonally through it in the middle of the screen, and the words "Do not disconnect" on your iPod? 06.26.13 # who was saying that FunkyELF? everybody 06.26.52 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 06.28.34 Join idnar [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 06.30.15 # it was saying do not dissconnect but it was't apple's usual logo saying it 06.31.08 # It's code that is stored in flash ROM rather than in the main firmware. 06.31.13 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.31.31 # That's definitely Apple's code that's running. 06.31.34 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF6576.dip.t-dialin.net) 06.33.09 # whoseever code it is you don't have to manually boot into it, it happens automatically 06.33.36 # this has been known 06.34.00 # not to me ;-) 06.34.05 # anyhoo....I'm going to bed 06.34.24 # I just told my brother to go ahead and trade his ipod with his buddy 06.34.46 # he'll be trading an 80Gb classic for an 80Gb video iPod just so he doesn't have to use iTunes 06.35.12 Join donutman25 [0] (n=chatzill@65.75.87.48) 06.35.15 # great deal. 06.36.13 # I've been using inkscape a lot now for graphics and I think I'll try to make a theme this weekend or something 06.38.34 # * Mouser_X needs to stop being lazy, and make a theme... 06.39.30 Quit linuxstb__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.40.43 # with the keyclick patch is there a setting in the menu to turn this on? 06.40.57 # i found it 06.41.54 # ok the keyclick pattch is very helpful on the gigabeats 06.43.03 # Because it gives you feedback when you push the "buttons?" 06.43.27 # yes 06.43.39 # when you press up,down.left, and right 06.43.47 Join Joanna [0] (i=185105c3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d70c7ca31bd83bd8) 06.43.57 # I've never felt I needed feedback for those, but I think I'm the only person who feels that way 06.44.20 # Laying my fingers on them lightly gets no response, pushing does, and I've gotten used to just how much pressure I need to feel on my thumb/finger to know I'm pushing 06.44.45 # hey 06.44.47 # im starting to get used to the cross. im used to the scroll pad with the ipods. 06.45.46 # i just got the patch to test it. 06.45.51 # Llorean: You're not the *only* one. I'm fine with my Gigabeat the way it is. If the keyclick were in SVN would I use it? Only if it was on by default, since I'd be too lazy to turn it on otherwise (and probably to lazy to turn it off). 06.46.03 # question. I downloaded the rockbox installer and installed the bootlander + rockbox etc.. now how do I get files and music on there also? 06.46.21 # im using the nano version btw 06.46.22 # Joanna: Just copy them over, using whatever method you want 06.46.23 Join zicho [0] (n=martin@c-5f9fe355.68-7-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 06.46.26 # to get music on your player. just drag and drop 06.46.38 # wow I can do that? 06.46.39 # sweet 06.46.41 # thanks :D 06.46.55 # Indeed you can. It's one of the main reasons I use Rockbox. 06.47.25 # (A directory structure makes *far* more sense than the gobbdly-gook that other players use. At least, for the music I have...) 06.47.58 # wooohoo! 06.48.00 # after awhile i just turned the keyclick feature off. so i think im with you Llorean and Mouser_X 06.49.14 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.49.30 # so in the rockbox folder in my ipod, I can delete and make new folders as much as i want? =o 06.49.35 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF6576.dip.t-dialin.net) 06.49.51 # Joanna: Don't use the Rockbox folder. 06.50.12 # then 06.50.17 # The .rockbox folder is for the Rockbox firmware. You *can* put stuff in it, but it's not recommended. 06.50.24 # oh. 06.50.31 # Just make a new folder on the root called "My Music" or something. 06.50.37 # kk 06.50.38 # And put everything in there. 06.50.45 # thanks 06.51.28 # Glad to help. Personally, I have a "Music" folder, a "Books" folder, a "ROMs" folder (for Rockboy), and a "Videos" folder. 06.53.24 # you can just drag and drop roms? 06.53.36 # 0.o 06.54.36 # Joanna: just think of your ipod as an external hard drive... 06.54.42 # yeah 06.54.43 # Pretty much. 06.54.44 # but 06.54.50 # you can play the roms 06.54.52 # just like that 06.55.05 # Joanna: The enter key is not the spacebar. And yes, you can. 06.55.15 # wow.... 06.55.29 # I am thouroughly impressed 06.55.32 # wow 06.55.33 # YAY! 06.56.38 # Joanna: Please, try to type in full sentences, and don't just fill the channel with short lines. The IrcGuidelines mentioned in the topic are expected to be followed, as this channel is logged. 06.56.58 Part safetydan 06.59.47 Quit Joanna ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 07.00.05 # Llorean: you scared him away 07.01.39 # jhMikeS: Everything okay up to Nov 15? That's in fact weird.... 07.02.02 Join Joanna [0] (i=185105c3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-17169a033955887e) 07.02.09 # Did you replace both bootloader and build each time? And are you doing a full rebuild after checking out a new revision? 07.02.10 # hey 07.07.17 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.07.23 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 07.10.21 # amiconn: not that I can determine for sure. this is really bad 07.10.57 # Yeah, the problem is that a binsearch won't work reliably because not all builds will show the problem 07.11.59 # amiconn: I only do a rebuild of x if the change could possible affect x. Doing that if pacbox changes is obviously not needed. 07.12.47 # If you don't find anything, I'll probably do a walk through r14000...r15800 in steps of 10 07.12.56 # That'd make 180 builds to try :/ 07.13.08 # that batt low-problem seems to have come in during the 18th. I haven't seen in on any revision from the before that. 07.13.08 # Ouch. 07.13.27 # Whic 18th? 07.13.30 # *Which 07.14.13 # I didn't check that far. I'm trying to sample enough builds from any date since the probability of a crashing one appears to be around 50% 07.14.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.14.52 # glad i dont have my headphones fully on for the keyclick patch on the ipods very long beeeeeeeeeeeeeep :( 07.16.11 # 18th of Nov since I think that's what you meant 07.18.16 Quit preet ("Leaving") 07.21.44 Quit amiconn (" bbl") 07.24.04 Quit Soap ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 07.25.56 # hey does rockbox support flv files? 07.26.00 # no 07.26.10 # ohh ok 07.26.12 # thanks 07.31.32 Quit Joanna ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 07.34.51 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.35.12 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF6576.dip.t-dialin.net) 07.43.20 Join thegeek [0] (i=thegeek@s220b.studby.ntnu.no) 07.43.24 Join Joanna [0] (i=185105c3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e545d0e7d65dc3cd) 07.43.44 # hey 07.43.54 # I keep having these weird problems with rockbox 07.44.17 # my ipod would automatically disconnect and my comp would freeze up 07.44.26 # randomly 07.44.40 # and sometimes my ipod wont turn on unless i plug it into the comp 07.44.50 # would it be because of the new firmware? 07.45.05 # 1.3 07.47.11 Quit crashd_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.53.52 Quit tchan (No route to host) 07.54.06 Join tchan [0] (n=tchan@lunar-linux/developer/tchan) 07.54.36 # hey anyone? 07.55.02 # the enter button is not a space bar you have been warned already 07.55.59 # oh. sorry 07.57.33 Quit tchan (SendQ exceeded) 07.58.18 Join james_ [0] (i=james@gateway/tor/x-836795ce16ddc390) 07.58.37 # k well quick question then, does the new ipod firmware 1.3 mess up rockbox in any way? because its acting very strangly right now 07.58.58 Quit james01 (Remote closed the connection) 08.01.06 Join tchan [0] (n=tchan@lunar-linux/developer/tchan) 08.03.46 Join crashd_ [0] (i=foobar@lostnode.org) 08.04.01 Quit psycho_maniac (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- In tests, 0x09 out of 0x0A l33t h4x0rz prefer it :)") 08.04.46 Quit Joanna ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 08.07.32 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 08.10.03 # amiconn: think I cut the search parameters. r15142 (10/16) crashes. interestingly, it happens later than more recent SVN. 08.16.23 Quit tchan (SendQ exceeded) 08.17.05 Join tchan [0] (n=tchan@lunar-linux/developer/tchan) 08.18.30 Join GodEater_ [0] (n=bryan@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 08.20.57 # * Bagder got a pdf 08.21.25 # from Austria 08.21.36 # did you mail them? 08.21.41 # yeps 08.22.16 # did this pdf come in an NDA? 08.22.22 # s/in/with 08.22.51 # nope 08.23.26 # is it as good as one that would? 08.23.36 Join tchan1 [0] (n=tchan@c-24-13-84-219.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 08.23.53 # * scorche ends the guessing game 08.24.01 # it is the 192 page AS3525 data sheet 08.24.11 # Just like that? Wow. 08.24.17 # free of NDAs? 08.24.20 # wow indeed 08.24.24 # "I see your initiative increasingly successful and I just read a good 08.24.30 # review on PC Magazine. My compliments, an outstanding job!" 08.24.44 # * scorche thinks he likes AMS 08.24.48 # pdf AND compliments ;-) 08.24.55 # First TI releases a compiler. Then a datasheet. Then an email gets responded to with another previously unfound-elsewhere datasheet. 08.25.02 # a glimmer of light in a sea of darkness.. 08.25.19 # I'm wondering where I am, and how I got here. 08.25.36 # I'm just wondering where Bagder will publish said data sheet :) 08.26.32 # I'll treat it like the other AMS data sheet, it is not for public hosting 08.26.33 # Llorean: Welcome....to the real world 08.27.05 # oh - so they didn't make you sign an NDA, but still asked you nicely to keep it private ? 08.27.19 # Bagder: Probably wise, as long as we don't have explicit permission to post it. 08.27.41 # GodEater: i see it more of a bit of respect, not posting it publicly 08.27.43 # not exactly, but in my mail I mention our previous good cooperation with the AS3514 data sheet and how we have kept our end of the deal 08.27.45 # yeah I guess so 08.28.16 # it is marked "confidential" 08.28.27 # well, that settles it 08.28.28 # fair enough then 08.29.46 # * GodEater_ laughs at an email he sees from his project manager going to some users apologising for "the incontinence". Way to go spell checker :) 08.30.13 # *g* 08.30.29 # I had to email her back and ask if she was unwell... 08.31.43 # GodEater: the template (blank document they fill in for service requests) they use at work says "Requestor" multiple times on it...it drives me mad 08.32.53 # make them change it ? :) 08.34.53 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B1692A.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.35.18 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.36.01 # * GodEater_ sees zajacattack still doesn't seem to get it 08.36.41 # I really, really hate issuing ultimatums like that. 08.37.35 # I didn't get to join in the original discussion - but he really just seemed to want to shout at people 08.37.36 # That's really only maybe the second or third time I've had to say "Look, I'm in charge here, this is the way it's going to be" rather than simply enforcing pre-written rules. 08.38.21 # maybe someone should have pointed out that the "helper" people he's talking about ARE the rockbox experts - and they've all been brought up from "the ranks" of normal forum users 08.38.38 # there's not this little clique going that he thinks there is 08.38.39 # GodEater_: well, i did, but i deleted my post 08.38.52 # wuss ;) 08.38.55 # GodEater_: He either wouldn't have believed it ("you just picked your friends / conspirators / whatever") or he would've said that they've all become corrupt already 08.38.57 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 08.39.13 # Llorean: I guess. There's none so blind as won't see etc. etc. 08.39.19 # There's no doubt in my mind that he wasn't thinking clearly. 08.39.37 # He found flaw in Chronon asking for more information, or the fact that we couldn't answer questions completely unrelated to Rockbox. 08.39.37 # * GodEater_ likes the idea that there's a "Rockbox conspiracy" :) 08.39.58 # indeed 08.41.13 # Clearly our primary goal is to keep the inner working secret, and keep good intentioned contributors down! 08.41.28 # yep 08.41.52 Join tchan2 [0] (n=tchan@c-24-13-84-219.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 08.41.52 # Conspiracy theories about you are a sign that you're important. :) 08.42.00 # yay! 08.42.04 # hehe 08.42.09 # * scorche places the tinfoil hats out of reach 08.42.33 Quit tchan1 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 08.43.05 # I'd like to congratulate all those who managed to refrain from telling zajacattack that the reason we deleted all his posts is because he is clearly as dumb as a tree stump. 08.47.28 Quit tchan (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 08.49.00 Quit tchan2 (SendQ exceeded) 08.52.40 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.t-2.net) 08.53.25 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.55.35 Join tchan2 [0] (n=tchan@c-24-13-84-219.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 08.57.24 Quit tchan2 (SendQ exceeded) 08.58.36 Join tchan2 [0] (n=tchan@c-24-13-84-219.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 09.00.05 Join petur [0] (n=petur@ip-212-239-214-166.dsl-static.scarlet.be) 09.01.41 Quit tchan2 (SendQ exceeded) 09.02.34 Join tchan2 [0] (n=tchan@c-24-13-84-219.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 09.02.53 # http://www.mishare.com/index.html <-- interesting :) 09.03.19 # wonder (if)/how it copes with DRM'd tracks 09.08.29 Quit tchan2 (Connection reset by peer) 09.10.55 # jhMikeS: I am puzzled comparing your r15139 commit and the irc log of Oct 16 09.11.51 # I tested and it started working again - but that section in thread.h could not have been the problem, because SW_CORELOCK wasn't defined for PP5002 until you enabled dualcore for PP5002 recently 09.12.40 # (note that there is a 2 hour difference between the irc log (it's CEST == GMT+2) and http://www.rockbox.org/since20060801.html (that's GMT) 09.13.58 # r15139 works 09.14.26 # So to me it looks like the new scheduler commit was when the problem started, and since then has always been there. I know that it doesn't affect all builds 09.14.41 # * LinusN lost his powerhour source code :-( 09.14.55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.15.08 # I'm going back down to r15133 that and 10 before it show no ills 09.15.09 # But why PP5002 only? Maybe some data is cached which shouldn't? 09.15.09 # * Bagder tears his hair. no powerhour! 09.16.03 # Do we cache iram by accident? Is that at all possible? 09.16.10 # amiconn: shouldn't matter since having the COP never run makes no difference 09.16.27 # no, the controller should never cache addresses above 0x3fffffff 09.16.44 # wth is power hour anyway ? 09.17.21 # GodEater: a weird (beer) drinking game thing 09.17.44 # * petur is not triggered 09.18.00 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Hour 09.18.50 # "Several alcohol poisoning deaths related to this activity have lead to legislation in Minnesota, North Dakota and Texas" 09.18.59 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 09.19.46 # ah 09.20.02 # so a RB plugin for this would switch the tune being played every 1 minute 09.20.39 # <5 pints in an hour has caused alcoholic poisoning ? 09.20.46 # what the hell is in the beer they use there ? 09.24.54 # well, meybe they drank a pint every minute? :-) 09.25.00 # * LinusN can't spell today 09.25.46 # too many drinks? :P 09.27.30 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 09.27.33 # the first build that has a problem that changes the core is r15140 09.28.04 # r15134/5 are sim only updates 09.28.42 # 11 samples from r15092 to r15133 are ok 09.29.43 Quit goffa (Remote closed the connection) 09.29.55 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 09.31.38 # petur: i had a hard time when testing that plugin 09.32.05 # * petur thought it was a joke... 09.32.07 # hehe, if I type in r15140 from trunks/firmware, I get an exception and Python Traceback 09.32.29 Join tchan2 [0] (n=tchan@c-24-13-84-219.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 09.36.06 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 09.37.25 # "Vomiting or abandonment of the goal usually result in elimination. In some cases the re-drinking of vomited liquid is acceptable behavior to stay in the running." :-) 09.38.14 # that's just nasty 09.38.26 # * Zagor wonders what channel he just entered 09.38.34 # haha 09.39.23 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 09.40.23 # * GodEater_ has played a game with similar rules, but it's called "pub golf" 09.41.02 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c58-109-97-210.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au) 09.41.24 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 09.44.01 # * GodEater_ is surprised to see no mention of it on wikipedia 09.44.23 Part LinusN 09.44.43 Join iwantanimac [0] (n=iwantani@124-169-9-17.dyn.iinet.net.au) 09.47.49 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 09.49.26 Quit tchan2 (No route to host) 09.49.49 Quit iwantanimac ("iMac, out.") 09.51.24 Part LinusN 09.54.16 Join goffa_ [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 09.57.27 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 09.58.42 # GodEater_: does it involve a pingpong ball and beerbottles (for the goals)? 09.59.15 # not quite no 09.59.49 # yet another nice game then :) 10.00.09 # (this one is called "balletje balletje" in dutch :) 10.00.18 # it involves a "golf course" consisting of a number of pubs. Each pub or "hole" has a par (number of drinks to be consumed whilst there) and a time limit in which to consume them. 10.00.44 # the game is played in pairs - a "pro" and an "amateur". The pro has to drink pints, the amateur has to drink shorts with mixers. 10.00.57 Quit goffa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.01.24 # before people start complainging: I think beer is very on topic for rockbox :) 10.01.31 # any visit to the toilet during a hole is counted as having removed one from your score for that hole (so you need to drink an extra drink). Similar rules for vomiting, except each heave counts as one off your score. 10.01.54 # What a rediculous game :) 10.02.06 Join safetydan [0] (n=safetyda@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 10.02.08 # * jhMikeS find out swp(b) may be fine on PP5002 afterall which is a darn good thing for it 10.02.08 # any unconsumed drinks still in your hand when the time limit for the hole is reached must be poured over your own head... 10.02.16 # um - that's about all I remember :) 10.02.26 # There's a very similar variant that we play in Australia, where the number of sips it takes to finish a pint is equivelant to the number of swings. 10.02.51 # Skulling the pint is a hole in one. 10.03.13 # I feel ill just thinking about it :) 10.04.13 # the one and only time I played it, my partner (he was the pro in our pair) managed a "tactical" vomit outside the third pub (by which time I think he'd consumed 9 pints), where he managed to let the whole lot go outside the pub in one go. 10.04.16 # so we only lost one point. 10.04.35 # hrm, anyone agree that most sound related settings should wrap? 10.04.57 # * safetydan reads up 10.05.03 # safetydan: like volume? 10.05.06 # * safetydan wonders if he's wandered in to the wrong channel? 10.05.24 # or in the wrong pub? 10.05.33 # markun, volume is already taken care of, I'm thinking of things like the equalizer settings which isn't strictly a SOUND_SETTING in the macro sense 10.06.02 # bass and treble already wrap too, no? 10.06.03 # safetydan: if they wrap in a similar way to lists (only if not repeating), I wouldn't mind 10.06.19 # safetydan: why should they wrap? Do you have an example of settings which should? 10.06.24 # and volume should never wrap imho 10.06.43 # Of course going mistakenly from -74db to +6 would be bad 10.07.00 # I'd rather prefer the colour picker to wrap for example 10.07.01 # I've done that. 10.07.06 # it uh, wasn't fun. 10.07.13 # markun, woops, *shouldn't* wrap is what I meant to write 10.07.17 # safetydan: just read the logs - there is also work done for porting Rockbox to the mrobe100, mostly by low_light. Pitily he didn't commit his stuff yet. The best place of information is the new ports forum thread IIRC 10.07.35 # low_light = port machine? 10.07.37 # pixelma, ah yeah, I forgot about the new ports forum 10.07.53 Quit scorche (Nick collision from services.) 10.08.05 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host22-211-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 10.08.08 # safetydan: well, in that case I agree that they shouldn't wrap :) 10.08.22 Join scorche [0] (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 10.08.56 # yeah, maybe they shouldn't...too may awful suprises for your ears 10.09.04 Join CaptainSquid [0] (n=Miranda@proxy17.netz.sbs.de) 10.09.13 # precut for example wraps 10.09.46 # which would be bad since that's still a 24 dB change in volume 10.11.28 # does anyone know the difference between "wide mode" and "word wrap" in the text viewer plugin? 10.12.27 # wide mode = no wrap? :p 10.12.48 # I mean it's wider if it doesn't wrap, right? 10.12.53 # * safetydan adds yet another macro to the settings code 10.13.26 # * linuxstb_ points Zagor to the manual ;) 10.13.26 # jhMikeS: but they are two different options. I can't see the difference between them. 10.13.35 # linuxstb_: haha, good idea :) 10.13.37 # hrm, should the crossfeed gain settings wrap? I'm not sure how dangerous that is to your ears if it wraps. 10.14.52 # Zagor: with word wrap on the words are cut off only at spaces I think 10.14.52 # safetydan: No, IMO no gain settings should wrap. 10.15.10 # right, that's easy then 10.15.28 # * linuxstb_ reads the manual and is quite impressed at the huge number of text viewer settings... 10.15.43 # after reading the manual I still don't get it... maybe it's obvious on larger displays than the c200 10.16.42 # Zagor: maybe the settings could be combined: "wide, narrow (normal wrap), narrow (cut off)" or something 10.17.38 # linuxstb_: and that even though the manual is quite outdated there? (e.g. it's missing the "encoding" settings and how to enter the settings and it's wrong in saying that settings won't be stored etc...) ;\ 10.17.54 Quit goffa_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.18.15 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 10.18.53 # pixelma: I almost never use the text viewer, so didn't notice... 10.19.06 # What do you guys think of changing the behaviour of the left and right buttons in the viewer? 10.19.38 # we'll probably need a manual-update-week... 10.19.47 # I think all buttons other than up/down are confusing in the viewer, so it can't get any worse :) 10.19.50 # PaulJam (I think) suggested: left/right could page up/down 10.20.09 Part male 10.21.11 # hitting right by accident and jumping to the end of the file can be very frustrating 10.21.38 # if you are crazy enough to be reading a book on a Gigabeat for example :) 10.26.02 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 10.29.05 Part LinusN 10.30.00 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 10.30.06 Join leftright [0] (i=d9e1f962@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3327bd0535efbdb1) 10.31.30 # I read txt books on my H140 often, and its very frustrating to have the left/right keys assigned to End/Start of txt book, most frustrating because there is no way of finding ones place quickly again 10.34.19 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 10.36.18 # leftright: yes, let's change it 10.37.22 Quit advcomp2019 (Nick collision from services.) 10.37.34 Quit goffa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.37.45 Nick advcomp2019_ is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 10.38.45 Quit sdcarter (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 10.39.30 # if I had to change code nothing would work, :-) 10.40.50 # thanks for looking into it. 10.40.54 Part leftright 10.43.46 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 10.51.35 Quit GodEater_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.52.03 Join pondlife [0] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 10.54.32 Part LinusN 10.54.59 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 10.57.19 # I'm surprised no one seems to have complained about the iPod Video hardware equalizer settings going away. 10.58.56 # It tends to take a week or 2 after a commit before the complaints flood in. 11.03.35 # two fiiiine weeks ;-) 11.04.48 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b9aab.ucd.ie) 11.07.25 # In 2 weeks you can easily skip the country. 11.08.39 Join GodEater_ [0] (n=bryan@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 11.11.07 Part LinusN 11.14.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.16.38 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 11.17.00 # perhaps this is old news, but the ipod video OF finds out if it has 64MB memory by checking if the memory is aliased at > 32MB 11.18.49 # I don't think that checking the amount of RAM is a problem 11.18.55 # Our memory layout is 11.19.40 Quit goffa (Remote closed the connection) 11.19.45 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 11.20.24 # amiconn: i know 11.21.02 # i just found the 32/64MB check in the OF ROM, so i thought i should chare the info 11.21.08 # share even 11.23.17 # I wish I could work out what this function is... stupid assembly. 11.24.55 # It's called by something like 10-15 other subroutines, so it might help fill in a bit of the picture. At least IDA is better than objdump :P 11.26.51 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 11.28.44 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 11.29.04 Quit advcomp2019 (Nick collision from services.) 11.29.10 Nick advcomp2019_ is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 11.35.40 Join goffa_ [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 11.37.16 # safetydan: i don't think any volume related options should wrap 11.37.33 # Bagder: 250 pages? sounds a bit thin for a soc 11.37.40 # preglow, well good, because now they shouldn't :) 11.38.31 # hm, is charging on the sansa e200 really working? 11.38.50 # i have tryed it several times now, and with the same result: nope :( 11.39.37 # nanok: windows, linux or separate charger? 11.41.01 # LinusN: I've been thinking about adding a 32MB/64MB check to the start of the 64MB Rockbox build - so it can tell the user that he/she has installed the wrong build. Although we don't seem to get many problems with that any more... 11.41.51 # Zagor: linux 11.42.01 # what about implementing the plugin and codec relocation stuff so we can use the same build for both? 11.42.15 # nanok: is the battery animation running? 11.42.15 # that would be neater :> 11.42.20 # Zagor: separate charger i don't have yet, but i guess that should work regardless of the usb code (the new one or the old one)? 11.42.44 # well, it says charging, the level goes up to 100% very quick.. 11.43.28 # after a while, after a few hours, i dissconnect it and after a reboot or a short while of usage, the level drops to around what it was before charging 11.43.37 # nanok: leave it in a couple of minutes, then look at debug->view battery 11.43.40 # (like, in this particular case now, about 60%) 11.44.10 # Zagor, i have the same problem with the newer builds 11.44.55 Quit goffa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.45.08 # advcomp2019: are you running windows or linux? 11.45.20 # ...or separate charger? 11.45.40 # Zagor, tried both but do not have a separate charger 11.46.05 # testing with a separate will help determining if it's a usb power issue or a charging issue 11.46.10 Quit goffa_ (Remote closed the connection) 11.46.13 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 11.46.13 # I also don't trust in charging yet because of what it's shown in the status bar (going up to 100% real quick) haven't checked battery status so far though 11.46.35 # *is 11.46.41 # lunch 11.46.44 # Zagor, i have tried both vista and xp 11.51.17 # Zagor: seems to me like it's reading from the wrong place somehow (the voltage) 11.51.53 # even in debug, right now i have 4.6xx V displayed (it varies quickly, but around there) 11.54.11 # Zagor, one thing i know is r15801 does charge the battery fine 11.54.58 # Zagor: why does the USB_CHARGING_ONLY still have bulk endpoints? 11.57.07 # also, shouldn't ep1_fs_in_descriptor and ep1_fs_out_descriptor have a wMaxPacketSize of 512? 11.58.55 # hm, the voltage "average" does seem to sllowly rise.. 12.00.52 # yes, same here but 4,6+V sound... unlikely 12.02.16 Join CaptainSquid83 [0] (n=Miranda@proxy17.netz.sbs.de) 12.02.27 Quit CaptainSquid83 (Remote closed the connection) 12.04.22 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-209-141.student.uu.se) 12.05.01 # safetydan: was there a reason you invented a whole new macro instead of steeing the nowrap flag for the settings that shouldn't wrap? 12.05.20 # s/steeing/setting 12.08.51 Quit goffa (Remote closed the connection) 12.08.53 Quit CaptainSquid (Remote closed the connection) 12.09.29 Quit tedrock (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.12.27 # nanok, could you try r15801 and see if that does the same thing or not because it seems to me it does charge the sansa fine 12.13.31 # advcomp2019: hm, i see i don't have that one, so i never tryed it 12.13.42 # advcomp2019: but i need quite some time to figure it out 12.13.55 # advcomp2019: i will try, thanks for the hint 12.14.34 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 12.16.01 # nanok, look at the daily builds.. i see it is there.. i am going to try r15806 myself 12.17.17 # the battery readouts seems a bit fishy in general to me - in a battery_bench it jumps around a bit too much for my taste (that's just my impression though) 12.22.50 # advcomp2019: wild guess: 27 Nov 01:35 Mike Sevakis firmware/target/arm/ipod/adc-ipod-pcf.c [diff] Further lockdown of multipart i2c operations that must be done without intrusion. 12.23.01 # maybe this is the cullprit 12.23.20 # advcomp2019: i will try 15801 now and see if i can notice a difference 12.28.49 # what should an ipod commit have to do with the Sansa(s)? 12.29.38 # nanok, i was wondering that same thing 12.29.42 # pixelma: mhh, silly me 12.29.57 # sorry, was not paying enough attention 12.30.05 # trying 15801 now 12.30.37 # dissregard my remark. my chance at figuring out what might have broken it is very slim anyway, i shouldn't even try ;) 12.30.41 Quit donutman25 ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.10/2007111504]") 12.36.42 Join goffa_ [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 12.38.32 # Do LiIon batteries degrade with the number of charges (regarding FS#8147) 12.38.37 Join austriancoder [0] (n=austrian@rockbox/developer/austriancoder) 12.39.03 # barrywardell, as far as i know, no 12.39.45 # hmm, i think they do have a limited cycle count 12.40.15 # i don't know how rb is reading the voltage, but it seems really strange.. 12.40.40 # the variations are quite inconsistent, and the value itself is not very realistic at first glance 12.42.37 # the wikipedia page says their life depends most on their age. no real mention of number of recharges 12.42.43 # barrywardell, as far as i know if you keep an Li-Ion battery charged and not let it die it can last a long time 12.43.01 # yeah, that's what I thought. best to charge it often 12.43.52 # barrywardell, Li-Ion batteries does not have a memory like Ni-Cd batteries had 12.45.00 Join BigBambi [0] (n=alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 12.46.20 # LiIon doesn't exactly like to be fully charged all the time 12.46.35 Quit homielowe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.47.06 Quit goffa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.47.17 # after disconnecting USB, the voltage quickly dropped to a realistic value of 3,8V 12.50.31 Quit hannesd (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.52.21 # pixelma: yes, that's what i see also 12.53.18 # my c200 battery voltage (debug->view battery) doesn't jump around at all. it sits very stable at 4.734V 12.53.32 # (with usb connected) 12.53.41 # hm. voltage delta's in the last 5 minutes or so are around 0mV (occasionally -1mV, +1mV) 12.53.51 # Yeah, and that means this can't be the battery voltage 12.54.26 # amiconn: i think it is something else also, it is read "too far" from the battery or something, i don;t really know 12.54.30 # Anything above 4.2V would make the battery explode 12.54.43 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet29.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 12.55.45 # amiconn, mine reads with the usb cable plugged in 4.5v 12.55.48 # the scale started at 3.997 12.55.56 # amiconn: well, maybe that is the voltage applyed to the battery, but not what the battery actualy gets, thanks to the internal circuit which protects it 12.56.32 # ah, 4.7 is the input voltage. as soon as I disconnect usb it's back to 3.9V 12.56.53 # i could understand that. but than how does the OF figure out when it is charging and when it is "done" (delta's?) 12.56.55 # Zagor: did you have a look at a battery_bench.txt? There is one in the tracker (even though battery_bench doesn't work _correctly_ anyways) and 1000 voltage changes which are logged in 5 hours don't sound right, especially since the go up and down a bit 12.57.10 # It's probably the voltage the main circuit is running from 12.57.31 # Does the ADC have multiple channels? 12.57.45 # Zagor: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8070?getfile=15253 12.57.45 # amiconn: "as soon as I disconnect usb it's back to 3.9V" 12.59.05 # mine jumps down to 4.0V when i unplug my usb cable 12.59.05 # pixelma: that looks like a perfectly fine discharge to me. what is the problem this file intents to show? 12.59.36 # it should show the "jumpiness" 12.59.40 # amiconn: it has loads of channels 13.00.13 # barrywardell: it has bulk endpoints because linux complains if I present an interface without endpoints (or a device without an interface). they could be any type of endpoints. fs_endpoints must be 64. "fs" = "full speed" = usb 1.1 = max 64 bytes 13.00.40 # Zagor: because the values are only logged if a voltage change is measured 13.01.31 # pixelma: I wouldn't say 1-3 mV reading differences qualify as jumpiness 13.01.39 # Zagor: I see. thanks for clearing that up. So, we could probably have "full speed" working since it's only 64 bytes? 13.02.39 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpnc208.ugent.be) 13.02.59 # Zagor: btw, i noticed a commit in a recent changelog which mentioned usb-storage. is it allready in, at "fs" (64B)? 13.03.03 # amiconn: see debug_menu.c:1186 13.04.54 # barrywardell: yeah, I've been working on that a few nights. I get less problems than with high speed, but still problems. 13.05.26 # nanok: no, it was just a commit to correct some test code 13.06.04 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 13.06.43 # barrywardell: but I some of the problems are due to USBs very strict demands on protocol implementation. one fault and you're out. 13.06.43 # Zagor: okay. just checked now, no usb mass storage kicking in on connect, indeed 13.08.17 # I guess using a better sniffer could help with the protocol bugs 13.08.41 # Zagor: also, is the code inside the if(send) in prime_transfer() just for debugging? surely usb_drv_int() will handle that? 13.09.44 # advcomp2019: it seems the behaviour is the same with 15801 for me.. 13.10.12 # linuxstb: what shape is the alac decoder in? 13.10.13 # advcomp2019: but i will leave it for an hour or two and see after 13.10.30 Quit Mathiasdm ("Ik ga weg") 13.10.58 # barrywardell: yeah it's test code since I felt I didn't get all the interrupts I was expecting. 13.11.58 # nanok, i think i made a small mistake on the numbers because now i cant with r15801 too 13.12.26 # otoh having that, or a separate usb_drv_wait(), is rather nice since it makes the transfer synchronous and thus much simpler high-level code 13.12.56 # true 13.15.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.15.08 # linuxstb: seen that the alac decoder we use has been updated? 13.17.42 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.21.01 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet30.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 13.22.50 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A455F.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.24.50 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 13.26.06 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=mathias@vpnb078.ugent.be) 13.26.12 Quit Mathiasdm (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.26.35 Quit goffa_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.27.08 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 13.27.37 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=mathias@vpnb078.ugent.be) 13.33.41 Join Gnu47 [0] (i=Gnu47@private.ntwk.thita.net) 13.39.43 Join goffa_ [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 13.40.32 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A94C5A.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.41.19 Join Redbreva [0] (n=Miranda@host86-144-108-57.range86-144.btcentralplus.com) 13.44.49 Join darkapostrophe [0] (n=darkapos@217-50-177.231210.adsl.tele2.no) 13.45.32 Quit barrywardell (Remote closed the connection) 13.45.39 # * pixelma wonders who KokoKoko and CoolBondVerter in the wiki are... 13.46.07 Quit Dark_Apostrophe (Nick collision from services.) 13.46.07 Nick darkapostrophe is now known as Dark_Apostrophe (n=darkapos@217-50-177.231210.adsl.tele2.no) 13.49.33 # n1s, it was done often enough that i thought it justified a macro 13.50.14 # the apple OF seems makes a lot of decisions in the code based on the 64 vs 32 meg memory 13.50.47 Quit goffa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.50.53 Quit safetydan ("Leaving") 13.51.14 Quit Mathiasdm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.52.19 Quit goffa_ (Remote closed the connection) 13.58.02 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 13.58.50 # preglow: I'm not really sure how to describe the state of the ALAC deocder - no-one seems to complain about it... Are you talking about the standalone ALAC decoder being updated, or the version in ffmpeg? 13.58.54 # LinusN: what kind of decisions? 13.59.09 # linuxstb: standalone, but aren't they really the same? 13.59.28 # preglow: like charging current measurement for instance 13.59.45 # LinusN: wow... 13.59.57 # i wouldn't have expected that 14.00.08 # so it's rather like a board revision check 14.01.15 # Hrm. I've found a function in the S' OF bootloader which "does stuff" to certain hardware addresses. From experience, all the addresses it touches are read only in RB. And to think I thought RE was useless! 14.01.40 # preglow: The last release I can see for the alac decoder is September 2006 (0.1.3) - is that what you're talking about? 14.02.00 # Zagor: looks like it 14.03.19 # aliask: nice 14.04.33 # Nico_P: One of the addresses is ATA 14.04.43 # So writing probably won't work 14.05.25 Quit GodEater_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.06.00 # linuxstb: aye 14.06.01 # aliask: I'm not sure where I got it from, but I have a file called gigabeat-research.zip, and inside there is a file describing how the OF bootloader remaps memory addresses - have you seen that? 14.06.21 # linuxstb: No, but I would be VERY interested in that 14.06.28 # why are you reing a platform that has docs? :> 14.06.51 # Because I don't want to wade through the 1600+Page datasheet :P 14.07.14 # 2300* 14.07.24 # haha 14.07.28 # most of that stuff isn't interesting just for booting 14.07.47 # aliask: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/gigabeat-research.zip 14.08.12 # linuxstb: Thanks 14.08.19 # linuxstb: isn't this on the wiki? 14.08.39 Join GodEater_ [0] (n=bryan@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 14.08.55 Quit J3TC- (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14.08.58 # e.g. it says that the OF bootloader is remapping RAM from 0x80000000-0x83ffffff to 0x88000000-0x8bffffff, but also mentions a whole load of other addresses. 14.09.12 # Nico_P: I couldn't find it there the other day - maybe it was in the forum thread... 14.10.32 # * preglow reminds people not to care too much about what the of does when we have docs 14.10.38 # or are there any components we don't have docs for? 14.11.03 # preglow: I agree. It's helpful to know what state the bootloader leaves things in though... 14.11.42 # ah, yes 14.11.49 # so we're not going to replace the bootloader? :) 14.12.00 # Only when Slasheri gets his S... 14.12.16 # Or someone equally adventurous... 14.12.27 # well, jtag should make it fairly safe 14.12.34 # you don't have to be mad to do it :) 14.12.50 # I'm not certain we've gound the jtag on it have we ? 14.13.09 # i don't know, i just magically assume it's there 14.13.25 # if even ipods have them, everything will have them 14.14.13 # Oh, it has it 14.14.17 Quit koider () 14.14.20 # But we don't know if it's been disabled in hardware 14.14.39 # aliask: Did you try reading the S's USB registers in Rockbox? 14.14.40 # There's some security feature of the chip where some fuse can be shorted to disable JTAG 14.14.55 # I did again today, it freezes when you try to read them 14.15.00 # Like it did before 14.15.03 # What address are they? 14.15.05 # aliask: that sucks... 14.15.19 # what socket is the chip? 14.15.22 # 0x43F88000, 0x43F88120 and 0x43F88124. all are 32-bit words. 14.15.29 # preglow: BGA 14.15.32 # bah 14.15.47 # aliask: The OF bootloader remaps those addresses... 14.16.03 # to.... 14.16.14 # Ah! 14.16.19 # linuxstb: Nice spot 14.16.19 # It looks like they should be at 0x9bf88000 etc (replace 0x43 with 0x9b) 14.16.38 # argh 14.16.51 # By the way, I have a Gigabeat S motherboard with corrupt flash 14.16.54 Join CaptainSquid83 [0] (n=Miranda@proxy17.netz.sbs.de) 14.16.55 # switching tracks near the end of a directory has such a high failure rate 14.17.01 # Motherboard and casing, and a cracked LCD 14.17.14 # So if anyone wants it... 14.17.16 # i just now ended up in the middle of wps/ when trying to play an .ogg file 14.17.37 # preglow: Have you checked your disk for errors? 14.17.57 # yes, and there are some bad sectors, but they've been mapped away 14.18.02 # linuxstb: and it didn't do this before mob 14.18.10 # how did interrupt work go with the S yesterday? I've not caught up... 14.18.30 # aliask: Can you try reading the USB registers again? 14.18.38 # Building now 14.20.22 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@38.98.196.75) 14.20.41 # GodEater_: I don't think there was any progress. 14.21.29 # do we not need them working for the usb stuff to be useful ? Or have I missed something (very likely I admit) ? 14.22.46 # preglow: Looks like I already checked out 0.1.3 (I have a copy on my hard disk) - a diff with the earlier versions show the changes were just in the mp4 parsing, not the decode itself (apart from a few optimisations, which are in Rockbox already). 14.23.06 # right 14.23.15 # the opts were mainly what i was thinking about 14.23.16 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 14.23.42 # At last we can implement the count_leading_zeros function with the ARM CLZ instruction though... 14.23.50 # linuxstb: btw, any chance of clearing out libm4a of mallocs? 14.24.07 # linuxstb: well, sure, on gigabeat s, none of our other targets are arm5 14.25.23 # DM320 is, and so is Telechips 14.25.33 # sure, then those can have it 14.25.41 # but gigabeat f and sansas can't 14.25.47 # s/sansas/ppS/ 14.26.55 # linuxstb: but yeah, what about libm4a? 14.29.40 # What should we do about the seektable? It could be nice to be able to store it on the audio buffer. 14.30.02 # linuxstb: I just noticed - the framebuffer address we're writing to is... in flash? 14.30.23 # What address is that? Have you checked the remapping? 14.30.42 # linuxstb: it sure would be, but that would also be a waste of codec plugin buffer free space 14.31.00 # 0x80100000. According to the mapping 0x80000000 -> 0x84000000 is flash 14.31.50 # aliask: 0xa0000000-0xa4000000 is the physical address of FLASH? 14.32.12 # Yes 14.32.38 # Also, this agrees with the fact that recovery.bin has records in it pointing to 0x80000000 14.32.54 # linuxstb: but i'm more curious about the non-seektable stuff that gets malloced 14.33.14 # linuxstb: Wait, it looks like flash is only 1mb. 14.33.15 # the seek table is potentially huge and will need special treatment, but i don't know about the other stuff 14.33.18 # *2mb 14.33.48 # preglow: I think the codecdata is just very small, and can probably just be put in the normal metadata struct (which is how I handle the same thing in ASF - it's about 16 bytes or so) 14.34.06 # Still doesn't explain why this address writes to the LCD 14.34.19 # linuxstb: i might go on a small crusade to remove mallocs altogether, lord knows what i'll do about tremor, though 14.34.49 # tremor is the only real showstopper 14.35.17 # BTW, regarding your earlier suggestion of metadata plugins, I've been thinking the same recently, but am wondering what effect that would have on database building... 14.35.57 # linuxstb: ouch... 14.36.00 # linuxstb: very nice point 14.36.40 # that wouldn't be a problem with a proper plugin format 14.36.45 # another of my pet annoyances 14.36.49 # of which i will never do nothing 14.36.55 # You mean relocatable plugins? 14.36.57 # aye 14.37.19 # But where would the database put all the metadata parsers? 14.37.28 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.180.92) 14.37.55 # Given that they're potentially all needed every time Rockbox boots (and the database doesn't know which ones are needed until a full disk rescan is done) 14.38.16 # linuxstb: well, at boot time it's simple, load them all into some free space of the buffer 14.38.37 # And leave them there forever? 14.38.40 # scanning while playing stuff is worse, but also doable, but we'd need to implement the "dynamic" buffer_alloc stuff 14.39.18 # we could also offload the scanning to a computer :> 14.39.28 # * linuxstb slaps preglow 14.39.48 # Or just remove the database completely. 14.40.09 # or stick to using the OF 14.40.21 # and only talk about beer here :P 14.40.32 # Do you think we'll still get donations? 14.40.49 # do they buy us beer at the moment? 14.41.08 # I don't know, I've never attended an official devcon... 14.41.27 # * petur brought his own last time ;) 14.42.56 # my oh my, it actually seems like my one wma file is going to play all the way through!"1 14.45.42 Quit BigBambi (Remote closed the connection) 14.47.44 # linuxstb: Using the 9b____ addresses for the USB just make the player have a black screen - even worse than freezing.. 14.51.39 # preglow: Why is that surprising? 14.52.18 # linuxstb: because it previously didn't :) 14.52.42 # linuxstb: the file has errors, i think, or hit upon some decoder bugs 14.52.53 # but after my error recovery stuff it now decodes all the way through, it seems 14.54.20 # and it does punch out a few funky glitches from time to time 14.54.45 # i guess we should perhaps reset some state when an error occurs 14.55.29 # a 14.55.35 # scuse me 14.59.36 Join nicktastic [0] (n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic) 15.00.19 Join J3TC- [0] (n=jetc123@wlrsvd-139.njit.edu) 15.04.12 # * XavierGr just pressed the "Buy Now" button for a Gigabeat S (60GB)! :D 15.05.29 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@resnet30.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 15.06.19 Join tchan [0] (n=tchan@lunar-linux/developer/tchan) 15.06.25 Join mrfree [0] (n=mrfree@host1-89-static.40-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it) 15.06.31 # hi all 15.06.41 # does rockbox shows album covers? 15.06.57 # yes 15.07.06 Join webguest37 [0] (i=dcef39db@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7fea7db7b1ba9f79) 15.08.25 # Nico_P, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt this? 15.08.34 # mrfree: that's it 15.09.57 Quit GodEater_ (Remote closed the connection) 15.10.18 Join GodEater_ [0] (n=bryan@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 15.10.18 Nick parafin|away is now known as parafin (i=parafin@paraf.in) 15.12.24 Join japc [0] (n=japc@194.65.5.235) 15.15.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.16.06 # XavierGr: Where did you buy it from? 15.20.05 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.20.23 # linuxstb: ebay 150USD 15.22.00 # there is another one in auction but doesn't have a buy now option (ends on 4 days) 15.30.59 Join elinenbe [0] (n=elinenbe@216-206-241-34.dia.static.qwest.net) 15.33.48 # XavierGr: Not a bad price - I paid 200USD for a refurbished S60 15.34.17 # If any UK people are looking for an S, this auction looks promising - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Toshiba-Gigabeat-S60-60GB-MP3-PLAYER-IPOD-ZUNE-MES60_W0QQitemZ110200115720QQihZ001QQcategoryZ73839QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 15.34.23 # (but the seller only ships to the UK) 15.35.31 # no cradle? 15.35.44 Join goffa_ [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 15.36.01 # hmmm and uk wallcharger probably :( 15.36.08 # gigabeat S has a cradle? 15.36.22 # no idea - the F has iirc 15.36.27 # petur: S uses the same charger as H300 15.36.34 # ah 15.37.44 # the S doesn't come with a cradle 15.37.58 # recording feature doesn't seem to work on iPod nano, is there a way to disable it? 15.38.51 # mrfree: It works via the line-in pins hidden in the dock connector - you need a custom cable. To disable it, just remove the "HAVE_RECORDING" line from firmware/export/config-ipodnano.h and compile your own build. 15.39.21 # why is it enabled by default? 15.39.27 # Huh? 15.39.39 # Because the nano supports recording... 15.39.59 # yeah but only with a custom cable, how many people have built one? 15.39.59 # Or do you consider a custom cable to be a hardware mod? 15.40.09 # You can also buy them ready-made. 15.40.20 # Wouldn't it need just an ipod dock? 15.40.31 # No, the docks only contain line-out. 15.40.43 # is having it enabled somehow causing any inconvenience, other than possible confusion? 15.40.48 Quit ivan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.41.10 Join ivan [0] (n=ivan@adsl-71-142-236-175.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) 15.41.29 # linuxstb, great news! where I can find schematic? 15.41.37 # I would've thought people who know about the capability are far less than people who don't and wonder why the recording screen is there 15.41.51 # There's currently a bug which means playback after recording doesn't work, which would be an inconvenience if you accidentally enter record. (fixing is on my to-do list) 15.43.20 Quit goffa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.43.26 # mrfree: http://ipodlinux.org/Dock_Connector (plus other places if you google) Somewhere that sells them is here - http://home.swipnet.se/ridax/connector.htm (I have no experience of that seller though) 15.43.34 # Nico_P: yeah but that could easily be handled in the manual. people noticing the capability, reading about how to use it and then thanking rockbox for a new feature are more important than those few who just gets confused and/or annoyed imho 15.44.23 # probably, yes 15.44.42 # linuxstb, ok thanks... hey it support stereo recording! 15.48.52 # There's another feature on Nano that Rockbox supports but the OF doesn't :) 15.50.01 # amiconn: if i start of now, it just stays in dim mode from the bootloader... 15.52.38 # I just saw "accepts all music formats" claimed on an ad for Nokia 5310. somehow I doubt it does... 15.53.22 # Country _and_ Western? 15.53.48 # :) 15.54.59 # amiconn, which feature?? 15.55.51 # mrfree: backlight dimming 15.56.28 # Does the Apple OF have a wake-up alarm? 15.56.56 # gosh, it doesn't even support ogg or flac 15.57.36 # I wonder if the ad people are ignorant, or simply count on the viewers being so... 15.57.50 Quit hcs ("Leaving.") 15.58.12 # Zagor: Was this advert online? 15.58.21 # preglow, what do you mean?? on the apple fw one can't adjust display light? 15.58.50 # linuxstb: I saw it in a paper magazine, which is downloable as a pdf. so not really, but almost :) 16.00.09 Quit mf0102 ("Verlassend") 16.00.22 # mrfree: Correct. 16.01.37 # I never noticed this :) ... ahhhh rockbox simply rocks ;) 16.01.48 # mrfree: exactly, apple firmware can't, we can 16.02.04 # mrfree: and don't ask us why they don't, the feature is in hardware 16.03.30 # apple has feature fobia 16.03.38 Join scorche|w [0] (n=42c007b2@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 16.04.01 # preglow: Hmm, what do you mean? 16.04.16 # amiconn: why apple doesn't do dimming 16.04.41 # The bootloader sets brightness = 1. Rockbox should start with brightness = 1 as well, then switch to your configured brightness 16.05.20 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 16.05.31 # amiconn: i'm talking about retailos, not rockbox 16.05.59 # Ah, 'of' 16.06.01 # it seems to ignore dimming completely and just sits around in the dark until it switches its backlight on again 16.06.11 # hehe 16.06.13 # at which point full brightness is back 16.06.50 # Maybe the bootloader should swutch to full brightness when booting OF? 16.06.59 # should we care= :D 16.07.17 # Not really, imho 16.07.21 # i surely don't 16.07.30 # doesn't cost us much to do it, but i just can't be bothered 16.07.39 # so at least wait until someone comes nagging 16.08.01 # Is the current bootloader good to release? 16.08.29 # works for me 16.09.54 # Could be worth finding someone with the troublesome Nano to make sure the IDE0CONFIG changes work in the bootloader. IIRC, they changed how things were configured in the bootloader. 16.10.08 # yeah, mine always worked 16.12.01 Quit nicktastic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.12.09 Join nicktastic [0] (n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic) 16.12.18 # I noticed both OF and rockbox that when ipod is connected via usb the light cannot be switched on 16.12.30 # jhMikeS: Were you the one who was seeing battery strangeness on the 3G? 16.14.14 # DerPapst also reported it here 16.15.18 # Ah. 16.15.38 # It looks like something similar happens on the 1G (which is problematic since they can't then shut down) 16.16.10 # speaking of backlight brightness on Nano - did someone do comparison battery_benches with full brightness vs. a lower level (maybe what they would use)? 16.16.26 # the same question for the Video 16.17.33 # Llorean: I know that amiconn has problems on his 1st/2nd gen Ipods but don't know all the details - jhMikeS and he are investigating I think 16.20.54 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@hdp186.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 16.21.23 # mrfree: When the ipod is connected via usb, it's not running Rockbox any more... 16.21.32 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.10/2007112611]") 16.25.03 Quit J3TC- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.30.36 # linuxstb, gotcha 16.30.36 Join J3TC- [0] (n=jetc123@wlrsvd-139.njit.edu) 16.30.49 Part LinusN 16.35.03 Quit Llorean ("Leaving.") 16.38.38 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.39.46 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@cpe-70-113-103-34.austin.res.rr.com) 16.47.27 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 16.48.09 # after how much time rockbox automatically shutdown? 16.49.58 # mrfree: depends what you have it set to 16.50.49 # yes sorry I'm so excited for my new ipod+rockbox I'm reading the manual :P 16.51.56 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3141.gwdg.de) 16.52.12 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 16.59.08 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 16.59.19 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 17.00.53 Quit n1s () 17.03.12 # Bagder: So you already had coffee with AMS ;) 17.05.13 # Bagder: nice reply from AMS! 17.06.27 # If only Nvidia and Samsung would be so helpful. 17.06.47 # pondlife: which one from Samsung? 17.06.55 # Apple's new stuff 17.07.06 Quit linuxstb ("Client Exiting") 17.07.15 # AMS is a very friendly company 17.07.18 # A mystery Samsung SoC, last I heard 17.08.14 Join Gnu47_ [0] (i=Gnu47@private.ntwk.thita.net) 17.09.17 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 17.09.26 # austriancoder: I thought they were less friendly before you payed them a visit 17.10.32 # markun: maybe.. but now the are friendly.. :) 17.14.00 Quit J3TC- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.14.57 # would this be a nice device to port rockbox to? http://cgi.ebay.com/New-ainol-V2000-4G-3-1600w-LTPS-4-3-PMP-MP4-MP3-Player_W0QQitemZ320188237640QQihZ011QQcategoryZ73839QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 17.15.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.15.57 # all devices are :> 17.17.19 # preglow: I still don't know if I should accept ADI's offer to give me a Blackfin development board 17.17.53 # if we don't find enough Blackfin powered DAPs it's a bit useless 17.18.00 Quit goffa_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.19.02 # preglow: so far I've found these: http://130.89.160.166/blackfin-players.txt 17.20.21 # markun: The real question is, are more players likely to use Blackfin going forward? How new is it? 17.20.26 # * Llorean has only really heard you mention it, mostly 17.22.27 # markun: the better question is why wouldn't you mention it? 17.22.31 Quit Nico_P (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.22.34 # sorry, why wouldn 17.22.38 # 't you take it? 17.22.49 # elinenbe: guilt? :) 17.23.23 # markun: but it could always be useful in the future... 17.23.24 # it costs almost $1000 (well, probably not for them) 17.24.10 Quit CaptainSquid83 ("Miranda IM!") 17.24.12 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 17.24.21 # amiconn: here? 17.24.28 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.180.92) 17.26.09 # mf0102: read that you have driver license....you could come here and drink beer with me ;-) 17.26.32 # oops, sorry, not that channel 17.26.51 # it's ok, if it mentions beer it's on topic 17.26.57 # :) 17.27.28 Quit Gnu47 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.29.24 Join OlivierBorowski [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-157-1-11-6.w86-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) 17.31.26 Join Frazz [0] (n=Fraser@thelawsons.plus.com) 17.40.57 Join elinenbe_ [0] (n=elinenbe@216-206-241-34.dia.static.qwest.net) 17.41.07 Join digger__ [0] (n=becs@e177178051.adsl.alicedsl.de) 17.41.39 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.41.40 Nick elinenbe_ is now known as elinenbe (n=elinenbe@216-206-241-34.dia.static.qwest.net) 17.51.48 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 17.53.56 Join TheSandman [0] (n=chatzill@84.247.27.48) 17.54.00 # hello 17.54.10 # i would like some help on installing rockbox 17.54.23 # i have an ipod 5.5G 80GB 17.55.23 # both manual installer and utility can't find it 17.56.37 # does it appear under "my conputer" as a drive? 17.57.26 # it does 17.57.35 # but the installer says it can't locate it 17.57.51 # on the other hand i never started it with iTunes 17.58.38 # could you help me out? 17.59.50 # brb 17.59.55 Quit TheSandman ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.10/2007111504]") 18.02.45 Join TheSandman [0] (n=chatzill@84.247.27.48) 18.02.52 # i'm back 18.02.56 # had to reboot 18.04.13 # so can anyone please help me out? 18.04.32 # i really can't install bloody iTunes because i'm pre SP 4 18.04.48 Quit linuxstb_ (Remote closed the connection) 18.04.55 # please have patience. IRC doesn't stand for Instant Reply Chat, you know. 18.05.17 # okay 18.05.24 # i just wanted to see a reaction or something 18.06.29 # you've sort of hit a lull in the day. the aussies are asleep, america is mostly at work, and europe is either at work or just getting home. have you done a search on the forums and mailing list? if not, i recommend doing so 18.08.24 # SP4? I'm off shortly but asking this question because it might help others - what operating system are you on? 18.09.06 # win 2000 18.09.18 Part pixelma 18.09.38 # the point is 18.09.44 # that if i manually install 18.09.58 # the ipodpatcher.exe can't find it 18.10.06 # and if i automatically install 18.10.12 # again, it can't be found 18.11.04 # does the apple firmware still run fine? 18.11.09 # no 18.11.20 # i mean the OS on the ipod is okay 18.11.28 # only i can't acces it through itunes 18.11.37 # cause i can't install the last version 18.11.51 Nick axionix_ is now known as axionix (n=axion@cpe-74-70-239-192.nycap.res.rr.com) 18.14.37 Join Fraser [0] (n=Fraser@thelawsons.plus.com) 18.14.41 # have you tried if it maybe works in the emergency disk mode? 18.15.12 # what is that? 18.15.26 # btw, you are sure this is a G5.5 ipod? not a classic? 18.15.49 # well it's a 80GB ipod 18.15.59 # i assumed it's a G5.5 18.16.30 # http://ipodlinux.org/Generations#Fifth_Generation_.285G.29_.2F_Fifth_Generation_Enhanced_.285.5G.29 18.16.36 # is it this one, or the one underneath? 18.17.54 # 80GB iPod: This is a 5.5G (Fifth Generation Enhanced) iPod only. 18.17.57 # this is it 18.18.24 Join linuxstb [0] (n=chatzill@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 18.19.48 # hi 18.20.36 # does the sansapatcher tool run on freebsd, too? or do i have to boot linux? 18.20.57 # TheSandman: chapter 2.2. if the manual explains how to enter diskmode manually (but i don't really think it'll make a difference). 18.21.13 # i see.. 18.21.20 # but what should i do? 18.21.22 # i mean 18.21.32 # do i have to format it with itunes first? 18.21.34 # or smth?? 18.22.11 # you shouldn't need to reformat (unless it is a hfs formatted ipod) 18.22.15 # digger__, it *might* run via the compat. layer, but you may have to build it yourself for bsd, should you not want to boot linux. 18.22.30 # digger__: It will run on BSD, but you'll have to compile it yourself. 18.22.49 # after the first boot I told rockbox to use my existing itunes db now I added mp3s as files I run update database but they aren't listed 18.23.04 # can I use both files and itunes db? 18.23.06 # thx, i'll give it a try. 18.23.23 # TheSandman: So are you sure you have an ipod 5.5g, not a classic? When did you buy it? 18.23.37 # i just received it from someone 18.23.50 # and it's surely a 80gb, thus a 5.5G 18.23.52 # linuxstb, i already pointed him at the ipodlinux generation page. he confirmed it was a 5/5.5 18.24.05 # TheSandman: No - 80GB does not imply 5.5g. 18.24.14 # The Classic comes in 80GB and 160GB models. 18.24.24 # then that might be it.. 18.24.30 # mrfree: it could be that you need to restart after manually updating the database. 18.24.56 # PaulJam, ah ok 18.24.57 # TheSandman: That sentence you quoted is just for distinguishing between a 5g and 5.5g. 18.25.21 # but still, the rockbox utility is unique 18.25.28 # should work for any model 18.25.35 # right? 18.25.40 # TheSandman, for any *supported* model 18.25.50 # TheSandman: What colour is your ipod? 18.25.55 # black 18.26.03 # mrfree: if you keep the database in RAM and/or enable autoupdate then a reboot isn't required afaik. 18.26.08 # and metallic silver back 18.26.30 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.26.33 # * krazykit thinks TheSandman didn't look at the pictures on the page i sent him. 18.26.39 # PaulJam, ok thanks for the info 18.26.42 # i did 18.26.53 # reboot is always required unless dircache is enabled or database is loaded to ram 18.27.00 # TheSandman: If you go into the Apple firmware, and go into "Settings" then "About" (I think...) what firmware version does it show? 18.27.20 # still it might be sometimes necessary to reboot if adding large collection of files at once 18.27.32 Join goffa_ [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 18.28.26 # now I put a cover.bmp file in an album dir but the image doesn't appear in wps... I suppose my current theme doesn't support it or what? 18.28.55 # omg you're right :| 18.28.59 # it's classic 18.29.00 # sorry :| 18.29.49 # you don't have one of the supported devices then. 18.29.57 # I'm using Clix_IriverBlack and it hasn't any %Cl tag in .wps file 18.30.11 Join Hammer89 [0] (n=soc_inte@static-host-24-149-229-197.patmedia.net) 18.31.03 Quit stewball (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.31.36 # oh.. 18.31.59 Quit goffa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.32.53 Quit Frazz (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.33.11 # this is a question totally unrelated to rockbox... so sry in advance... but does anyone know how to register a nickname w/ freenode? 18.33.58 # linuxstb: would it be possible/desired that ipodpatcher and rbutil recognize unsupported devices? 18.34.11 # Hammer89: /msg nickserv help 18.34.25 # PaulJam: Yes, I've been thinking the same. All I need is someone to send me some ;) 18.34.33 # mhhh strange... when I switch from a theme like iriverblack (for example) to the default theme background and icons remains... I think it isn't normal 18.34.55 # little ot: my sansa e280 came with fw 1.02.18E installed (europe, no fm). what is the latest recommendable fw? 18.35.11 # PaulJam: I agree it would make things easier. We should also see if it's possible to do the same with the v2 Sansas which are now appearing. 18.35.14 # i need the fw to build sansapatcher anyway, it seems. 18.35.31 # digger__: No, you need the Rockbox bootloaders. One moment, and I'll give you the links. 18.36.03 # http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/c200/firmware.mi4 and http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/e200/PP5022.mi4 18.36.23 # (they have the same names as the original firmwares though...) 18.36.33 # Slasheri: thanks 18.36.37 # ah, ok, thx! 18.36.57 # * linuxstb goes to update the sansapatcher README 18.38.36 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@79.20.211.22) 18.38.49 Part Hammer89 18.39.02 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@unaffiliated/kugel) 18.39.19 # build successful. however, does it make sense to upgrade the orig fw to 1.03.something? 18.39.26 Join Hammer81 [0] (n=Hammer89@static-host-24-149-229-197.patmedia.net) 18.39.50 # digger__, no, i would leave it. not like you'll be using it that often anyway. 18.40.22 # alright, sounds reasonable. *g* 18.43.31 Quit Hammer81 ("Leaving.") 18.43.49 # it's alive! *bg* 18.44.58 # painless -- kudos to the rb team! 18.45.07 Join Hammer89 [0] (n=Hammer89@static-host-24-149-229-197.patmedia.net) 18.47.08 Quit mrfree ("Leaving") 18.48.16 Quit nanok (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18.48.45 Join Crash91 [0] (n=evil91@41.232.204.206) 18.51.36 Join mordov [0] (n=dude@33.80-202-107.nextgentel.com) 18.53.08 # hello. I have a bug report abaout the Automatic instaler for Ipod nano. can anyone tell me where to put it? 18.54.03 # look on the left of rockbox.org for Bug Reports 18.54.22 # Holy crap, docs from AMS! 18.55.27 # Now let's hope this is rewarded with a port 18.56.41 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpne109.ugent.be) 18.56.42 # ah I have to registre and stuff... the thing is: the installer only works when I have it in ipod mode and not with the rockbox mode. do with it as you wish 18.56.49 Quit TheSandman ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.10/2007111504]") 18.57.16 # mordov, oh, that's known. there's no USB (other than charging) for iPods and Sansa right now. 18.57.57 # it works when it's conected and shows normal ipod window, then rockbox updates :) 18.58.43 # seems like the instaler likes aple btter than it's own creator :D 18.59.53 # mordov: As krazykit said, Rockbox has NO USB mode on iPods right now. 19.00.03 # And bug reports belong in the tracker. 19.00.46 # sorry for spamming then, just thought you would liek the info 19.01.27 # If you think we'd like the info... post a bug report documenting which version of Rockbox you have, and how to reproduce it. 19.02.36 # There's no way to know how many of the dozens of people who can make changes to the code are awake and looking at the screen right now. Meanwhile, bug reports actually stick around, and are useful 19.03.09 # well, it turned out not to be a bug as it seems. 19.03.10 # But I guess it's not a bug report since it's not suposed to work... it's just that it's working for me :) 19.03.15 Join roxfan [0] (n=dunno@21.215-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) 19.03.34 # mordov: Rockbox doesn't have a USB mode. Whatever you're doing is using the Apple USB mode. 19.04.33 # Well, Rockbox doesn't have a USB mode on _iPods_ rather 19.04.39 # when I conect the nano I get to different kinds of conect screen. one looks like rockbox and the other is the apple one I guess 19.04.45 # No 19.04.48 # They're two different Apple ones. 19.04.53 # ah ok 19.05.04 # I was not lying when I said Rockbox doesn't have a USB mode on iPods... 19.06.01 # If you can connect it to the computer and put files on it, you're in the Apple firmware. If there's a big USB plug on your screen, and you're charging, but you can't connect, you're in the "not finished yet" portion that will one day be Rockbox's USB mode 19.06.05 # so the report is like this then: the autoinstaler works only with one of the iPod modes 19.06.28 # cause I can move files in both 19.07.04 # may it be I have two different ipod botloaders on my ipod? 19.07.16 # no. reread what Llorean said. 19.08.16 # ah seff sorry ... 19.09.08 # guess you got the thing I wanted to report.. and I learned something :) thanks have a nice day 19.09.23 Quit mordov () 19.11.14 Part Hammer89 19.12.56 Quit Chronon ("Leaving") 19.13.01 Quit roxfan[zzz] (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.15.01 Quit petur ("work->home") 19.15.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.17.04 Join obo [0] (n=obo@rockbox/developer/obo) 19.18.11 Join bertrik [0] (n=Bertrik_@249-022-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 19.22.35 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 19.26.25 # hmm... i'm wondering why the "music" folder is not being displayed in the file browser...? 19.26.47 # 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Hi there 20.46.33 Join elinenbe [0] (n=elinenbe@216-206-241-34.dia.static.qwest.net) 20.47.03 NHeal kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 20.47.03 NJoin bertrik [0] (n=Bertrik_@249-022-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 20.47.03 NJoin ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.t-2.net) 20.47.03 NJoin axionix [0] (n=axion@cpe-74-70-239-192.nycap.res.rr.com) 20.47.03 NJoin _jz [0] (n=jz@ns1.april.org) 20.47.03 NJoin DogBoy [0] (n=john@66-101-59-100-static.dsl.oplink.net) 20.47.03 NJoin GodEater [0] (n=bryan@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 20.47.03 NJoin krazykit [0] (n=kkit@light.sunsetab.denison.edu) 20.47.03 NJoin Toki [0] (n=hsdbvlkb@gateimb.imb.lebedev.ru) 20.47.03 NJoin newbyx86 [0] (n=newby@ip68-7-12-123.sd.sd.cox.net) 20.47.22 Join l7 [0] (n=l7@evil-wire.org) 20.48.39 # amiconn: but the setting itself worked fine, so setting the timeout to 200 seconds via cfg made the backlight turn off afer 3:20. so there doesn't seem to be a check of the setting itself for min/max. 20.49.34 Quit ompaul (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.50.44 Quit advcomp2019 ("Don't follow me") 20.51.15 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 20.51.16 Quit kubiix (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.51.18 Quit XavierGr ("One firmware to rule them all!") 20.51.41 Join sdcarter [0] (n=scarter@24-247-143-68.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) 20.51.54 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 20.54.28 Nick BilleniumzZz is now known as Bam2550 (n=billeniu@c-69-249-243-110.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 20.59.57 Nick Mathiasdm2 is now known as Mathiasm (n=Mathias@vpnb166.ugent.be) 21.02.39 Quit sdcarter (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.06.45 # 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For the sansac200 will sansapatcher.exe always work regardless of firmware? 21.45.43 # Firmware version* 21.46.04 # It's always possible Sandisk could radically change things, but I think it's unlikely. 21.46.23 Join Redbreva [0] (n=Miranda@host86-144-108-57.range86-144.btcentralplus.com) 21.46.31 # version *simplified* 1.4A 21.47.31 # Its possible then that it can brick my sansa? 21.47.42 # by using the patch? 21.49.30 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.50.01 # Worked. 21.50.11 Quit bertrik ("bye") 21.50.26 # Someone.. forward that to him, I should be back later tonite 21.50.26 # Klevi: lucky you :) 21.50.31 # lol 21.50.33 # Byee for now 21.50.35 Quit Klevi ("Im forcing myself to sleep for trimester exams this week.... 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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 22.24.14 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=chatzill@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 22.27.22 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.10/2007111504]") 22.28.28 # is it just me, or does the backlight animation stop when you're in a list? 22.29.30 # Animation? 22.29.39 # Like, the fade? 22.31.01 Join tliff [0] (n=tliff@W0d72.w.pppool.de) 22.31.11 Join Schinken [0] (n=2852ham@p5494F34B.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.31.17 # hi there! 22.31.41 Join akempgen [0] (n=Alex@p5494BD97.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.31.54 # Llorean: yeah 22.32.12 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 22.32.13 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=chatzill@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 22.32.40 # From which game is this skin? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/WpsIpod5g/RockSki.png 22.32.50 # i know this game from my childhood... but can't remember the name 22.33.51 Quit mf0102 ("Verlassend") 22.34.28 # Schinken, skifree 22.35.00 # THANKS a lot ;) 22.35.32 Join DM| [0] (n=dm@cpe-65-24-59-218.columbus.res.rr.com) 22.41.53 # oh, it's just a skin. thought it was the game. 22.41.58 # http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=27892 22.42.23 # :) i should probably add colors. 22.43.37 # * petur briefly mentions http://rockbox.plaxogroups.com for plaxo members.... 22.46.29 Quit nanok (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.47.07 # Does Rockbox still work with my IPOD Docking Station in my Car? 22.48.52 # depends on what the docking station does I guess 22.49.07 # does it offer rmote control? 22.49.08 Join nanok [0] (n=nanok@194.145.183.75) 22.49.15 # *remote 22.49.24 # no 22.49.28 # only Line output to my radio 22.49.39 # should be ok then 22.49.43 # and of course.. charging my ipod ;) 22.50.13 # remote controls doesnt work with rockbox? 22.50.50 # Controls on my steering wheel should be cool to control the ipod :D 22.51.08 Join safetydan [0] (n=safetyda@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 22.52.37 # if it uses the serial protocol then it will not work 22.52.47 # hm k 22.53.51 Quit petur ("switching...") 22.54.00 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 22.55.10 # petur is there something like.. font antialiasing? 22.55.18 # no 22.55.31 Quit MethoS- (Remote closed the connection) 22.55.54 # any future plans? ;) 22.56.21 Part akempgen 22.56.34 # no 22.57.01 # unless maybe on those 400MHz arm targets ;) 22.57.28 # at my work i programm on 24mhz controllers... 400mhz is a dream ;) 22.57.36 # -m 22.57.50 # well, you probably don't have super-huge color LCDs to fill with stuff ;-) 22.57.58 Join rayjgu3 [0] (n=rjg@c-67-173-140-250.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 22.58.08 # hello 22.58.10 # petur: Isn't the S 533MHz,? 22.58.16 # it is 22.58.21 # hmmm 22.58.22 # I want font antialiasing on my Ondio's display with backdrop! ;P 22.58.29 # anyone here have a sansa e280 22.58.44 # cant seem to get rockbox onto it 22.59.03 # rayjgu3: is it possibly a v2? 22.59.27 # Bagder jeah .. but a 16bit grayscale display with touch! ;) 22.59.43 # v03.01.11a 22.59.49 # rayjgu3: that's v2 23.00.00 # what to do? 23.00.11 # rayjgu3: it doesn't run rockbox 23.00.17 # http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/v2.html 23.00.21 # NNNOOOO 23.00.22 # port rockbox! 23.00.31 # start working on the port! 23.00.38 # hrm, more settings that possibly shouldn't wrap 23.00.40 # Schinken: 16 bit grayscale?? Do you mean 16 shades perhaps (that'd be 4 bit) 23.00.50 # jeah 4 bit per pixel 23.01.02 # 16 shades.. sry jeah ;) 23.01.52 # Looks like backlight settings might need to not wrap as well. 23.01.55 # is it hard to create my own skin? (the graphics wouldnt be the prob) 23.02.22 Join bertrik [0] (n=Bertrik_@249-022-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 23.02.42 # safetydan: I think the real problem with the backlight setting is people panicking and not just hitting "up" or "down" again when the screen goes black. 23.02.45 # Schinken: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS 23.02.54 Quit zicho (Remote closed the connection) 23.02.57 Quit DataGhost (Nick collision from services.) 23.03.02 Join DataGhost [0] (i=dataghos@ip3e832ea5.speed.planet.nl) 23.03.15 # okay thx 23.03.35 # for a programmer using C wouldnt it be a big prob., right? ;) 23.03.39 # : ] 23.03.44 # normaly programming c ;) 23.04.01 # Schinken: see the page please 23.04.21 # Llorean: true. But it wouldn't hurt to stop that one wrapping. 23.04.59 # safetydan: the scale in the backlight settings is not (off > increasing time > on) but (off > on > increasing time) 23.05.08 # nice to read the good news about the sansa v2 23.05.36 # safetydan: I'm not so sure. If "Off" is on one of the ends, wrapping means either direction gets you light back. Not wrapping means that there's a 50/50 chance they'll press a button, not get light back, and think they're stuck. 23.06.03 # bertrik: yes, getting docs for a target feels like luxury these days! 23.06.15 # no png's? no alpha channel? (except for pink?) :( 23.06.17 # I think *all* settings should wrap except volume 23.06.26 Part przemhb 23.07.22 # Llorean: you have won me over :) 23.07.41 # amiconn: what about eq band gain and precut? 23.07.45 # amiconn: I'm not sure I'd go that far. EQ bands shouldn't, I think, for example. Or any setting that defaults to the "middle". But the vast majority should imho. 23.07.48 # Schinken: correct 23.08.03 # Schinken: we rather have long battery life 23.08.03 # .. same question again.. any future plans? ;) 23.08.09 # oh okay 23.08.13 # Only if someone does it 23.08.26 # Schinken: in general: we don't plan 23.08.33 # Schinken: Keep in mind we have big colour lcds with limited processors 23.08.37 # jeah if it saves battery live 23.08.45 # Real alpha would be really slow. Rough estimation: a factor of 10 23.08.53 Join sdcarter [0] (n=scarter@67.59.37.181) 23.08.54 # okay 23.08.56 # Llorean: what do you think about the "Julius" build(s)? 23.09.03 # hm is see... makin' skins is quite easy 23.09.06 # Maybe on the gigabeast (aka Gigabeat S) 23.10.59 # pixelma: I think that thread needed to be removed a long time ago, and I never got around to it. I'll lock it for now, and move it to trash in a few days 23.11.27 Join animeloe [0] (n=animeloe@unaffiliated/animeloe) 23.12.14 Quit Fraser (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.12.19 # Llorean: great, it's way too old and it only seems to cause trouble now 23.12.40 # Yeah, agreed 23.12.42 # It's locked now 23.14.15 # thanks 23.14.24 Quit kubiix (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.14.25 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan_a@217.23.173.156) 23.14.30 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 23.14.31 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 23.14.45 # Llorean: I'm seeing battery strangeness on 3g but I'm not the only one. Problems from 10/16-11/17 were just hangs/aborts. Battery problems started on 11/18. 23.15.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.15.16 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A962BE.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.15.31 # jhMikeS: I just wanted to mention that someone in our forums is reporting battery strangeness (reporting "too low" on a nearly full battery) on a 1G, where the constant attempts to shutdown result in an endless loop due to no shutdown 23.16.37 Quit desowin ("use linux") 23.16.42 # I just the the "battery low" message and it shuts down. I've had the loops but those turned out to be settings related and resetting them stopped it. 23.17.20 Join homielowe [0] (n=chatzill@d207-81-67-190.bchsia.telus.net) 23.17.34 # safetydan: 12.05.01 safetydan: was there a reason you invented a whole new macro instead of steeing the nowrap flag for the settings that shouldn't wrap? 23.17.50 Part Hammer89 23.17.51 # s/steeing/setting 23.18.23 # jhMikeS: The 1G can't shut down, which is why it loops 23.18.29 Join stripwax_ [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 23.19.00 # Llorean: What does "can't shut down" mean? I thought 3g technically never shut down either. 23.19.39 # jhMikeS: As far as I know right now the 1G can't even "shut down" as much as the other iPods do. The only solution is to reboot into the apple firmware first, and use its sleep 23.19.48 # * Llorean doesn't remember hearing that this got fixed, at least 23.21.27 # So if rockbox turns off automatically for any reason, the bootloader still tries to boot rockbox again? 23.21.35 # I think it's not, IIRC amiconn said the only solution would be an own suspend to RAM 23.22.05 # The G3 *can* shut down like all other ipods 23.22.12 # Only the G1 and G2 can't 23.22.37 # jhMikeS: If I understand correctly, yes, which is frustrating for those experiencing the problem because they're more likely to say "Infinite loop, I should panic" than "Infinite loop, I should turn on hold" 23.22.52 # I think to reason I got the loops was that the auto shutdown timeout was too short and that's why resetting settings fixed it. 23.23.14 Quit Mathiasm ("Ik ga weg") 23.23.15 # The G1/G2 system_shutdown() just resets, that's all we can do atm 23.23.47 # And yes, you need to enable hold after triggering "shutdown", in order to make it boot the OF, which will then suspend 23.24.05 # amiconn: btw, swp(b) doesn't seem to be broken at all on pp5002 in fact it seems as good to use it there as for PP5022+ 23.24.18 # Intersting... 23.24.42 # which is good because that kernel flavor is definitely faster 23.24.44 # Any news on the crash issue? 23.25.23 # markun, n1s, I did answer that. The reason was that the code was repeated often enough that i thought it justified a macro. 23.25.44 # I know that it coincides with the dualcore commit, but nothing says why it does. 23.25.47 # safetydan: sorry, didn't see your reply 23.25.50 Join Soap [0] (i=d8c93873@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-5cde3ed1ade9606d) 23.26.19 # * Soap is here now if someone wants to discuss the recent RBUtil issues with downloading themes. 23.27.20 Quit bertrik ("read a book") 23.29.10 # 11 samples from just before it are fine. The first revision that hanged on 3g is r15140. Some builds that work or don't work seem to make no sense at all. 23.29.49 # So, pretty quiet on the svn front.. Anyone fancy committing http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8226 or http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7218?histring=sliding_puzzle? :-) 23.29.50 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp223-182.adsl.forthnet.gr) 23.30.12 # Soap: Why have you hijacked the theme site? 23.30.34 Quit sdcarter ("See Ya!") 23.30.49 # r15636-r15639 vary in whether they work or not but makes no real sense. 23.30.57 # redbreva has been going way over his bandwith limit. I wouldn't consider it hijacking - I'm just hosting while a more permanent solution is found. 23.31.00 # linuxstb: bandwidth 23.31.19 # bah...cgi:irc lag 23.31.22 # We /assumed/ the redirect wouldn't cause any issues with RBUtil. 23.31.37 Quit animeloe (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.32.01 Quit nicktastic ("Leaving") 23.32.16 Join J3TC- [0] (n=jetc123@wlrsvd-139.njit.edu) 23.33.00 # i didnt even think of RButil... 23.33.51 Quit kubiix (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.33.57 # amiconn: look at the diff from r15636 to r15638. Why is r15636 ok but not r15638? This is making me insane. 23.34.02 # why can't rbutil handle a redirect? 23.34.03 # pcmbuf.c 23.34.26 Quit stripwax (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.34.43 # depends how it accesses the tubes 23.34.46 # Soap: I guess the http library doesn't support it - but I guess Domonoky or Bluebrother are the people to talk to... 23.34.59 # markun: no worries. 23.35.47 Quit DM| (Remote closed the connection) 23.35.47 # Soap, some HTTP libraries require you to tell them to follow redirects. Maybe that's not been done. 23.35.51 # hm im missing something like "all files" in the filexplorer 23.36.03 # I want to shuffle a Band-Folder with Albums inside 23.36.36 # as well, it may just be resolving the name and following the IP 23.37.20 Join zicho [0] (n=martin@c-5f9fe355.68-7-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 23.37.56 Join webguest15 [0] (i=4fb571e6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-bdf3e70ae5d01722) 23.38.30 # scorche|w: how else would it do it? 23.38.37 # what is the difference between daily build and 2.4 of Rockbox? 23.38.56 # webguest15: just about everything 23.39.16 # amiconn: This reminds me of the sort of thing that happened on PP5020 where the real issue was a problem in handling something else. 23.39.17 # 2.4 was a hundred years ago 23.39.31 Join bobrules [0] (n=ggdgdgd@CPE00032f3a0ced-CM0013718c1238.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 23.39.48 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpnb166.ugent.be) 23.40.02 Quit Mathiasdm (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.40.02 Join Mathiasdm2 [0] (n=Mathias@vpnb166.ugent.be) 23.40.03 # My rockbox version is 1 week should I update? Any major bug fixes or features? 23.40.08 # Bagder: well, i am trying to think of a way to say it properly, but it doesnt really matter anyway.. 23.40.14 Quit webguest15 (Client Quit) 23.40.17 Quit Mathiasdm2 (Client Quit) 23.40.20 # Schinken: create a playlist and shuffle that. Rockbox is playlist based. 23.40.21 # webguest15: Here are some of the changes since 2.4 - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges 23.40.33 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpnb166.ugent.be) 23.40.38 # safetydan damn.. so i have to create a playlist first :/? 23.40.39 # thx 23.40.46 Quit Mathiasdm (Client Quit) 23.40.56 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpnb166.ugent.be) 23.41.07 # Schinken: yes, but it's not very hard and you don't have to save it anywhere. The manual has more. 23.43.08 # Looking at the rbutilqt source (httpget.c), it seems to have code to handle 302s... 23.43.37 Quit Mathiasdm (Client Quit) 23.43.51 # if I update my rockbox will my settings be kept the same? 23.44.17 Join VDSG [0] (i=4fb571e6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ea29ee09364e88bf) 23.44.27 # bobrules: yes 23.44.38 # what is the diff between revisions? 23.44.42 # bobrules: yes, but you can always save your settings to a file just in case 23.44.43 # thank you 23.44.48 # yeah 23.44.53 # that's what I was thinking 23.45.02 # VDSG: look at the changelog.. 23.45.13 # commit log, i should say.. 23.45.40 # Hm.. the menupoint "debug" is more interesting with the notice "Keep Out!" 23.46.18 # yeah I'm scared to enter 23.46.37 # which is pretty much the point of that warning :) 23.47.10 # the person who hired JFJ should go too 23.47.18 # oops wrong section 23.47.20 # * karashata has hopped into the debug menu several times, not too much in there to be afraid of really, but nothing most normal users would care about 23.47.40 Quit VDSG (Client Quit) 23.47.51 # jhMikeS: Hmm, strange. r15638 shouldn't change anything in the binary vs r15636. Did you compare maps? 23.48.13 # if I want to backup my settings, All I do is backup the folder .rockbox right? 23.48.47 # hm.. what was reboot on a ipod video 30gb again? 23.48.54 # bobrules: you can back up your settings in the Manage Settings menu on rockbox. The manual will tell you more. 23.48.59 # Menu+Select is a hard reboot, Schinken 23.49.07 # amiconn: haven't yet. 23.49.11 # oh I see 23.49.29 # Soap select is.. which? right one? bottom one? 23.49.45 Join tedrock [0] (n=tedrock@d235-156-27.home1.cgocable.net) 23.50.08 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@66.172.233.120) 23.50.11 # Schinken: center 23.50.21 # hehe thx 23.50.24 # im an idiot 23.50.32 # safetydan .cfg right? 23.50.32 # but.. i wasnt far away :D 23.50.34 # right would be FF, left would be REV, bottom would be play/pause 23.50.47 # * jhMikeS spent enough time yesterday trying 43 different revisions and got tired 23.51.16 Quit advcomp2019 (Nick collision from services.) 23.51.25 Nick advcomp2019_ is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 23.51.50 # hm the database is right this what i want.. i think so ;) 23.52.09 # I gotta pack up and move to the next town. If anyone knows something redbreva or I can do to fix the rbutil issue (for the current install base would be really nice) please PM me on the forums and I'll do what I can in a few hours. 23.53.02 # bobrules: sure 23.53.08 # hm rockbox is reaaally nice 23.53.17 # with my own theme i wont use anything else... 23.54.02 Join qweru [0] (n=kvirc@bb-87-80-66-156.ukonline.co.uk) 23.54.15 Join DM| [0] (n=dm@cpe-65-24-59-218.columbus.res.rr.com) 23.54.23 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.54.30 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=chatzill@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 23.54.32 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=chatzill@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 23.55.47 # Soap, scorche|w: Is the problem that rockbox-themes.org always redirects to the home page on rockbox-themes.cleansoap.org, rather than the same page? e.g. http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=112x64x1 goes to http://rockbox-themes.cleansoap.org/ 23.56.36 # that sounds very plausable 23.57.22 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 23.58.29 Quit advcomp2019 (Nick collision from services.) 23.58.35 # amiconn: speex is realtime on all profile on ipod 1-3g, yeah? 23.58.38 Nick advcomp2019_ is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019)