--- Log for 03.12.107 Server: heinlein.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 1 day and 18 hours ago 00.02.36 Quit Mathiasdm ("Ik ga weg") 00.06.48 Quit eigma () 00.07.53 # amiconn: is these number on linux, vmware or cygwin? 00.08.05 # linux 00.08.25 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@m94.net81-66-75.noos.fr) 00.10.47 # cygwin is waaay slower (and ccache doesn't help there - it slows things down) 00.12.47 Join Davo_Dinkum [0] (n=DavoDink@c58-107-220-56.sunsh4.vic.optusnet.com.au) 00.12.51 Part Davo_Dinkum 00.14.14 # both -j4 and -j take about 19 seconds for me 00.16.10 Quit andrew___ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.21.09 Quit goffa (Remote closed the connection) 00.21.12 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 00.22.54 Quit moos ("Rockbox rules the DAP world") 00.33.13 Quit TwinSora ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 00.35.47 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.37.59 Join countrymonkey [0] (i=4b05639a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c472919f693c33bc) 00.38.07 Quit Rincewind ("bye") 00.38.17 Quit countrymonkey (Client Quit) 00.39.06 Join countrymonkey [0] (i=4b05639a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-fecddf7382611bb4) 00.40.40 # If I comment out #define have_usbstack, will my ipod revert to old behavior of rebooting into emergency diskmode?? 00.40.55 Quit idnar (Nick collision from services.) 00.40.58 Join idnar_ [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 00.41.57 Quit goffa (Remote closed the connection) 00.42.00 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 00.43.37 Nick idnar_ is now known as idnar (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 00.47.33 # If I comment out #define have_usbstack, will my ipod revert to old behavior of rebooting into emergency diskmode?? 00.48.23 # repeating the question doesn't make people answer quicker 00.49.20 Join linuxstb [0] (n=chatzill@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 00.50.02 Quit Redbreva (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.53.04 # countrymonkey: ipods should still reboot to emergency disk mode, even with HAVE_USBSTACK defined. 00.53.37 # But I get this found new hardware rockbox media player 00.54.37 Nick parafin is now known as parafin|away (i=parafin@paraf.in) 00.54.47 Quit lee-qid (Connection timed out) 00.55.42 # IIUC, it should only do that when you tell Rockbox to charge (i.e. hold MENU whilst inserting USB). 00.55.48 # Does it not reboot for you? 00.56.15 # I must make a build for my brother, 8. I am applying a ton of patches to do this. One thing I need to do is make rockbox simple as possible and that requires taking out untested coad such as the usbstack (which I found doesn't work). 00.56.46 # It does what it's supposed to do... 00.56.51 # and yes. It does it when I try to go in to diskmode without the menu button held. 00.57.31 # What other patches have you applied? Any that affect the usb reboot behaviour? 00.58.46 # I applied updated chinese translations (our mother wants him using the chinese traditional setting), and I disabled database in the config file. 00.59.24 # And speaking of chinese, to use it in the menu system, do I have to change coad page? 00.59.45 Quit ender1 (" I have a theory that it's impossible to prove anything, but I can't prove it.") 00.59.47 # linuxstb: The 'new hardware' thing pops up regardless of charge/usb mode 01.00.37 # amiconn: Hmm, I've never used the latest Rockbox with windows... 01.03.06 # countrymonkey: no, just pick the language. You may need to also have picked a font that supports CJK characters. 01.03.43 # What's cjk? And what fonts support that? 01.03.52 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@STRATTON-THREE-EIGHTEEN.MIT.EDU) 01.05.12 Quit homielowe (Remote closed the connection) 01.05.37 # countrymonkey: Chinese, Japanese, Korean. Anyway, this should help you choose http://rasher.dk/rockbox/fontstats/ 01.06.11 # but you probably just want to use unifont 01.06.44 # Thanks. about the usb stack. 01.06.45 # 9+18x18 also has some CJK 01.06.51 Part linuxstb 01.09.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.10.23 Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 01.10.48 # Thanks. about the usb stack. 01.11.25 # countrymonkey: Please stop with the repeating things. 01.12.48 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 01.13.53 # My irc client doesn't show my postings. So if I think something didn't go through, I repost it. 01.14.06 # countrymonkey, then you need a new irc client. 01.14.41 # countrymonkey: If you think something didn't go through, check the log at the website first, then. 01.15.41 # good idea. 01.16.03 # What's a good irc client? 01.18.02 Join Klevi [0] (n=Levi@ool-435682a7.dyn.optonline.net) 01.18.07 Join goffa_ [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 01.18.23 Quit goffa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.20.28 Quit GodEater (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.24.16 # If I comment out have usbstack what will happen? 01.24.34 Join GodEater [0] (n=bryan@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 01.32.02 Quit petur ("Zzzz") 01.34.24 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 01.36.55 # If I comment out have usbstack what will happen? 01.37.32 Quit mirak ("Ex-Chat") 01.37.57 Join SoapSud [0] (n=SoapSud@host86-136-226-91.range86-136.btcentralplus.com) 01.38.04 Quit SoapSud (Client Quit) 01.38.22 Join SoapSud [0] (n=SoapSud@host86-136-226-91.range86-136.btcentralplus.com) 01.39.24 Quit SoapSud (Client Quit) 01.39.30 # repeating the question doesn't make people answer quicker ;) 01.41.40 Quit goffa_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.42.18 Quit countrymonkey ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 01.51.03 Join andrea_ [0] (n=andrea@host240-66-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 01.51.35 Quit BHSPitLappy ("Leaving") 01.52.05 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 01.52.06 Join XavierGr_ [0] (n=xavier@ppp182-246.adsl.forthnet.gr) 01.53.53 Join nanok [0] (n=nanok@194.145.183.75) 01.57.22 Join schnuppel [0] (n=schnuppe@e179003031.adsl.alicedsl.de) 01.57.49 Join mud-rb [0] (n=mud@dialup-4.156.9.155.Dial1.Boston1.Level3.net) 01.58.56 # hello, i'm looking for a ipod 5.5g build with some useful patches as album art etc... is there a site that offers some customized rockbox versions for the ipod to play around with? 01.58.57 # someone interested in creatives? 01.59.55 # schnuppel: the main rockbox build supports album art, and there's a part of the forum dedicated to custom builds, i assume there's at least one for ipod 02.00.56 # mud-rb: ah the main build has album art support now? since when, if i may ask? 02.01.35 # schnuppel: it's in the major changes list i think, but off the top of my head, maybe a month ago it was put in? 02.02.12 # thanks :) did not follow the changelog closely 02.02.18 # np :) 02.02.30 Part pixelma 02.02.42 # 31.adsl 02.02.42 # 55.Dial 02.02.46 # grr 02.03.00 # sorry about that, middle click acting up 02.05.26 # i assume it's better to remove my current .rockbox from may07 completely instead of just overwriting it with current, right? 02.05.52 # what exactly does the -j option do? 02.05.54 # gah 02.06.03 # sorry 02.06.22 # Repetition day today? ;) 02.06.49 # that's what happens when you press up to find the /clear command and then you sneeze! :P 02.10.08 # schnuppel: It's generally irrelevant, but the only harm from removing the .rockbox folder is loss of settings/themes/database/savegames 02.12.31 # Llorean: yeah indeed .. but a short look revealed that rocks/ dir is now hierarchical ... anyway i just rm -rf'ed it ;) 02.12.37 Quit karashata ("I'm a fluffy dragon, anyone who gets in my way will be snuggled to death!") 02.12.59 # hm another question, is there some sort of coverflow implemented for rb? 02.13.26 # coverflow? 02.14.25 # this apple itunes/latest ipod/iphone thing to browser your collection by covers 02.14.52 # oh, no, i don't think there's a way to do that 02.15.44 # why not?! not at very high fps but what would be the problem? 02.16.11 # i'm sure it's possible, just nobody with the ability has bothered to write it... 02.17.45 # http://ariya.blogspot.com/search/label/pictureflow it's qt based but basically the algorithm is integer based :-) 02.18.26 # haha, well even if it's perfect, i'm sure it'd still have to be ported. don't look at me, i don't even use album art really 02.18.31 Quit Soap (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.18.39 # :-) 02.19.09 Quit XavierGr_ ("One firmware to rule them all!") 02.20.01 Join Soap [0] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 02.20.33 Join IPOD [0] (n=Mrfelche@216.7.125.164) 02.22.15 # schnuppel: anyway, you could add a feature request for it on the rockbox page, and link to that implementation. maybe someone will add it, i don't know 02.23.27 Join Shaid` [0] (i=shaid@124-168-106-167.dyn.iinet.net.au) 02.24.36 Quit DataGhost ("NTOSKRNL.EXE caused a buffer overflow in System Idle Proce²¦©§ÜæîôØþ°") 02.25.46 Join B|utEngel [0] (n=Mrfelche@216.7.125.164) 02.25.52 Part B|utEngel 02.27.19 Quit billenium ("Ex-Chat") 02.30.00 Join DataGhost [0] (i=dataghos@ip3e832ea5.speed.planet.nl) 02.30.14 Part IPOD 02.36.23 Quit Klevi ("Im forcing myself to sleep for trimester exams this week.... 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Too many forum posts to catch up on. 08.57.13 # -_- 08.57.38 Join safetydan [0] (n=safetyda@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 08.58.06 # It's not a forum that'll prevent me from spending a nice weekend 08.58.38 # we had gales 08.58.40 # it wasn't that nice 08.59.12 # depends what you're doing 08.59.40 # I guess 08.59.58 # in that case you could have spend your weekend reading the forum I guess :) 09.03.04 # no intertubes where I was 09.05.26 # that's fine with me for a week end as long as there I have friends 09.05.54 # anyway they have the net everywhere here 09.13.56 # * LinusN enjoys the TowerOfRockbox wiki page 09.17.29 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.18.10 # jmworx: pong 09.18.50 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 09.20.24 Join CaptainSquid [0] (n=Miranda@proxy14.netz.sbs.de) 09.21.14 # amiconn: I'm taking a break from this 5002 CPU crache (sic) thing. I've gotten nowhere in finding a solution. I know this much: 1) 100% dependent on having caching running. I can test by simply not setting certain bits in the control register and leaving the compiled bin otherwise identical. 2) 0% relevant regarding number of cores allowed to run. 09.21.34 # LinusN: makes me wonder how we shall pull off next year's :) 09.21.44 # jhMikeS: so binary search yielded no good clues? 09.21.49 # scorche: :-) 09.21.59 # nothing's yielded clues at all 09.22.16 # other than to narrow it down to one variable 09.23.23 # preglow, I think jmworx wanted to chat about the qmf_synth arm optimisations posted to speex-dev 09.23.25 # maybe some builds work only because something else less important gets clobbered 09.23.26 # LinusN: speaking of which, i think it is time to start planning... 09.23.29 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 09.23.35 # yup 09.24.32 # * petur is proud to announce he has a certain date after which he will not be able to attend :) 09.24.34 # although with the current exchange rate, is it cheaper to come over to this side of the pond? 09.24.36 # * jhMikeS goes back to more proactive projects for now 09.24.49 # petur: oh? 09.25.13 # really, now 09.25.24 # first of june there should be a new one in our family :) 09.25.45 # ah...may then? ;) 09.27.07 # safetydan: ahh, i see 09.27.24 # petur: way to go. :) Now I know why you've been too busy. 09.27.33 # i really should make df1 version of iir_mem16... 09.27.50 # jhMikeS: heh, and it won't get better... 09.29.13 # but spare time availability is getting better, so I'll resume rockbox soon :D 09.30.00 # ...and have a little one to start on rockbox early in life? :) 09.30.31 # my wife will surely veto that 09.30.57 # lol 09.31.31 # jhMikeS: hmm :( Did you try with caching enabled but clock scaling disabled? 09.31.43 # amiconn: indeed 09.32.04 # Indeed what? 09.32.36 # actually, I'm not sure I tried properly 09.33.45 # hrm...compared to DC2007's tower, DCW2007's tower is more like a pile of rockbox =/ 09.34.18 # yeah, sort of lame in comparison 09.34.39 # then again, i think http://www.squisch.net/rockbox/images/IMG_1197.JPG is more of a pile =P 09.34.47 # anyone with windows and a pp502x target who can test something? I wonder what windows says when you connect usb_serial. 09.35.21 # Zagor: how do I connect in that manner? 09.36.14 # jhMikeS: change usbstack/usb_core.c to define USB_SERIAL instead of USB_CHARGING_ONLY 09.40.07 # ok, just gotta compile real quick here... 09.42.06 # Zagor, i can test with vista and xp and i have e280r 09.42.09 # brings up the found new hardware wizard 09.42.22 # jhMikeS: ok, thanks 09.42.38 # says "Digital Audio Player" 09.43.08 # jhMikeS: huh, that's a very old version 09.43.19 # it should say "Rockbox media player" since quite a while 09.43.27 # I just did svn up and compiled with reconfig 09.43.44 Part LinusN 09.43.55 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 09.44.04 # that string changed nov 22 09.44.14 # http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/usbstack/usb_core.c?r1=15758&r2=15772 09.44.16 Part LinusN 09.44.37 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 09.45.04 # perhaps windows remembered it from plugging before? 09.45.14 # yeah, maybe 09.45.33 # meeting, back soon 09.46.21 # it is a clean build for sure 09.48.48 # total reclean and rebuid, same string 09.52.03 # amiconn: just tried it with simply making set_cpu_frequency return without changing things with no difference 09.52.57 Quit TMM ("Ex-Chat") 09.53.17 # someone commit something. I want to see if my build server is working properly! 09.53.44 # will it work if I commit myself? :p 09.54.19 # only if Bagder's done some serious work on the build system ;) 09.55.14 # * jhMikeS needs to check himself in somewhere 09.56.04 # * LinusN checks out himself 09.56.19 # the vanity of some people... 09.56.25 # pp5150 it should be called 09.59.17 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@83.233.243.244) 10.02.23 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@hdp186.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 10.03.08 # jhMikeS: i just rebuilt my ipod video, and it says "Rockbox media player" 10.03.31 # and i have connected before, when it said "Digital audio player" 10.05.13 # how strange, windows update didn't find a driver... :-) 10.06.01 # * jhMikeS went and removed the "?" while the device was plugged, replugged and "Rockbox media player" now shows. 10.10.18 # Is windows going to be able to detect each rockbox device using the stack as distinct? I map each to a particular drive letter. 10.10.24 Join Shaid [0] (i=shaid@124-168-65-175.dyn.iinet.net.au) 10.11.10 # preglow: there's a guy who further optimised your ARM assembly code 10.11.26 # jmspeex: yeah, i see, gonna check out a diff now 10.12.02 # FS what? 10.12.30 # speex-dev list 10.17.12 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 10.17.50 # jhMikeS: IIUC, Rockbox will use the same USB vendor/product ID as the original firmware. I don't know how Windows distinguishes devices though... 10.18.56 # jhMikeS: I'm not sure how windows work, but there is a serial number field in usb we should fill in that maybe windows can use for that purpose. 10.19.15 # with the latest build, on my vista computer it says "Digital audio player," but on my xp machine it says "Rockbox media player" 10.20.19 # advcomp2019: Remove the "?" from the device manager and replug. XP caches the description string. 10.22.28 # jhMikeS, now my vista machine reads it as "Rockbox media player" 10.22.37 # if you want to make windows forget about ever seeing the device, you need to run the add/remove hardware wizard, and check the 'show hidden devices' or whatever they call it nowadays. That will show all devices it knows of. Then select the right one and remove. 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How do I go back to older build? Tried unzipping older build same way, same place as with newer builds. Got "Checksum error"... 10.40.08 # why would you want to go back to an older build ? 10.40.10 # * jhMikeS still sees "@ TODO: this can be optimized further". 10.40.24 # what' the status of Rockbox on the iAudio X5? Is that one of the recommended devices? (any particular issue with it?) 10.40.42 # To see if my problem is with the firmware or with my iRiver 10.40.50 # jmspeex: i think it's considered a very good port 10.40.54 # jmspeex: quite well supported 10.40.58 # cool 10.41.19 # jhMikeS: didn't you give that TODO a go? 10.41.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.41.32 # mlind: just delete the entire .rockbox directory from your player, and then unzip again. That'll make sure there's no conflicts hanging around. 10.42.12 Join troymc [0] (i=55b19587@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-fa2c16ef68423635) 10.42.16 # preglow: arm is easy to shorten packing on when clamping isn't needed and is very uncooperative when it is needed 10.42.30 # indeed 10.42.57 # hello.... i have a quick question, any good guides to install rockbox with the dual boot app for 5g, iused to have one, but lost it 10.42.59 # I could remove a couple instuctions but not cycles so easily 10.43.13 # troymc: the rockbox manual is the best guide there is 10.43.44 # the best thing I could ever figure is to skip clamping alltogether when it isn't needed and if it's rare, it's much faster that way 10.44.15 # kk... is there an app though that makes it so you don´t have to do the button press dual boot, it is a menu, what is that called? 10.44.23 # troymc: rockbox is always dual-boot on ipod 5g 10.44.33 # but no menu 10.44.33 Quit mrkiko (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.44.40 # troymc: the ipod linux bootloader has a menu - but we don't support it here. 10.44.59 # while I'm here: Each time I power-up RB, some of my settings gets reset to default. Any body know why? My WPS stays. 10.45.04 # jhMikeS: i can't imagine a way to find out if clipping isn't needed 10.45.47 # ach so, well thank you then, and manual install still required for 5g? or no 10.45.55 # been a while since i was in this scene 10.46.03 # preglow: well, it's easy with unsigned values. :) 10.46.03 # troymc: no - there's rockbox utility to do it these days 10.46.14 # troymc: which is also covered in the manual... 10.47.17 # jmspeex: i don't see the point in those interleaving r4/r0 loads he does in the filter loop in iir_mem16, though 10.47.20 # okay, i shall quit asking dumb questions, thank you for the help though 10.47.25 # jmspeex: at least not for arm4 10.49.01 # preglow: I'm not sure it doesn't actually. Some video results seemed to point to that it does help but not drastically like on 920T. 10.49.40 # jhMikeS: i don't see how it can help unless our devices don't use the actual arm4 pipeline 10.49.55 # jhMikeS: read instructions should block until everything is read and ready 10.49.59 # The SPC echo filter also pointed to a slight difference but it could be cache effects. 10.50.57 # if only benchmarking wasn't so boring... 10.51.06 # preglow: so ldmia blocks until all regs have been loaded? 10.51.12 Join mrkiko [0] (n=mrkiko@88.34.98.169) 10.51.22 # jhMikeS: on arm4, yes it should 10.51.26 # jhMikeS: on arm5, no 10.51.51 # that is, i believe even arm9tdmi has the latter behaviour, and that is arm4, i think 10.52.29 # 920T is is arm4 correct? 10.53.00 # wouldn't know, really 10.53.08 # lemme check 10.53.20 # yeah 10.53.29 # I know you _must_ avoid load stalls on that and it's not subtle at all 10.53.32 # but it has a five-stage pipeline 10.53.41 # so what you say is probably true, interleaved loading will help there 10.55.01 # this sucks quite a bit, most of my arm opts assume arm7 10.55.03 # that's why idct for arm has such a crazed ordering 10.58.31 # i probably should have one version for arm7 and one for arm9 and higher 10.58.40 # this interleaving will actually be slower on pp 10.58.48 # since it needs to stack a reg 10.58.59 Part linuxstb ("Leaving") 10.59.07 # preglow: it didn't previously? 10.59.49 # no 11.00.11 # i used just one reg previously, but it needs two, since one needs to be loaded some cycles in advace 11.00.15 # advance too 11.00.54 # GodEater_: I deleted .rockbox and unzipped an archived build. Still RoLo said "Checksum error" 11.01.23 # Don't use RoLo. Reboot properly. 11.02.09 Join Bagder_ [0] (n=daniel@1-1-5-26a.hud.sth.bostream.se) 11.02.17 # mlind: are you sure you have the correct build for your player? 11.02.27 Quit Bagder (Nick collision from services.) 11.02.33 Nick Bagder_ is now known as Bagder (n=daniel@1-1-5-26a.hud.sth.bostream.se) 11.10.00 Quit troymc ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 11.10.46 # dammit! I was trying to use h100 builds, not h120.... That was too obvious. Thanks n1s! 11.14.38 Join ddalton_ [0] (n=daniel@124-168-47-230.dyn.iinet.net.au) 11.14.45 Quit ender` (" cat /dev/coffee | /dev/cup | /dev/mouth | /dev/nose > /dev/keyboard") 11.15.08 # pondlife: what do you think of my last patch to FS#8259? 11.17.32 Quit Toki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.19.25 # jmspeex: you getting an x5? 11.20.39 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 11.20.47 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 11.21.21 # ddalton: I don't really care about it much. Personally I prefer the current layout anyway. 11.21.44 # But that's just what I'm used to and it's no biggie 11.22.19 # preglow: arm7 and arm920t are quite different even though they are both armv4t. That's why my ape filter opts are #ifdef arm7tdmi 11.22.31 # pondlife: the current layout after Alessio Lenzi's changes? 11.22.43 # Hmm, has it changed again? 11.22.56 # ok. well I think this is better because -Blind users hear the battery level when entering the screen -They hit down once to hear time -they hit up once to hear free disk space. 11.23.11 # pondlife: no, not again 11.23.15 # The only other thing to hear would be date. Which I am considering putting on the same line... 11.23.30 # pixelma: I thought the stuff that got broken has all been fixed now 11.23.55 # I don't really care much about the sequence as long as voice matches screen. 11.24.16 # And of course UI mods should be at least mentioned before commit ;-) 11.24.18 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet14.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 11.24.33 # amiconn: I never observed anything I did to help 920T hurt arm7 though but I didn't need to stack anything either. 11.24.34 # So no objections here to ddalton's patch. 11.24.41 # pondlife: yes, I think so. I was just referring to the "used to"... 11.24.43 # But also no interest 11.24.47 # and the rest of the stuff they probably don't care about or they wouldn't check it much 11.25.04 Quit goffa (Remote closed the connection) 11.25.21 # jhMikeS: nah, most arm9 stuff shouldn't hurt arm7, unless you have to do extra shuffling around to allow arm9 opts to be possible in the first place 11.25.24 # Personally, I use that screen for buffer size and version more than anything else, but I'm "unusual" ;-) 11.25.30 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.t-2.net) 11.25.39 # like here, stacking a reg just to be able to interleave loads, the interleaving of loads doesn't hurt arm7, but the stacking does 11.26.00 # pondlife, and what patch do you prefer? 11.26.06 # first or second 11.26.19 # Not looked, not enough time, sorry. 11.26.52 # Rockbox is on a back-burner for me now... probably until 2008. :-( 11.27.12 # one tap of up now says the free disk space two taps says size and one tap down says time.... 11.27.27 # the rest is the same. That would hopefully solve the visual problems to... 11.27.29 # ddalton_: I don't see a great difference to your version then - in the current version they have battery first, pressing down for disk info, up for time. So only the two last ones are interchanged 11.27.31 # preglow: usually after serveral iterations on a code block, registers myteriously free up 11.28.15 Quit Siku () 11.28.24 # well most people are used to scroling down. And they want the time before disk stuff... 11.28.28 # jhMikeS: would be plenty easier here if arm4 didn't lack high/low hword multiply instructions :/ 11.29.07 Join austriancoder [0] (n=austrian@rockbox/developer/austriancoder) 11.30.12 # ok I better go but im expecting it to get rejected... I wrote it a while ago for myself and just uploaded it too see what people would say. I also have some other patches which I won't upload yet 11.30.15 # Zagor: ping 11.30.26 # hi! 11.30.35 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 11.30.43 # austriancoder: nice work with usb_serial 11.31.00 # Zagor: thanks... 11.31.05 # how do I umount my iriver when it says device busy? 11.31.34 # ddalton_: some process (such as a shell) is probably using the directory 11.32.09 # oh maybe my irc shell is. Ill reboot if it doesn't work when I log off... 11.32.13 Quit ddalton_ ("leaving") 11.32.40 Join ddalton [0] (n=daniel@124-168-47-230.dyn.iinet.net.au) 11.32.48 # that was the problem... 11.32.53 # Zagor: I want to improve current stack, by allowing to switch at runtime between serial/storage... driver. Have you thought about any design for this? I have stated working on this topic: http://nopaste.snit.ch:8001/11668 11.33.05 # preglow: hmmm...I wonder if a reg could be dropped from use there in general 11.33.33 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 11.33.34 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p549642C4.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.33.35 # austriancoder: yes, I simply want a variable that selects descriptors and functions 11.33.57 # I'm not a fan of using function pointers 11.34.19 # Zagor: but it makes the code cleaner 11.34.28 # cleaner but harder to follow 11.34.30 # jhMikeS: The filter stuff I did to speed up arm7 would hurt arm9 if enabled (the scalarproduct() - the vector add and sub functions wouldn't change anything) 11.36.19 Join troymc [0] (n=add@e177149135.adsl.alicedsl.de) 11.36.23 # Zagor: so you want to have that all "dirvers" have functions e.g. usb_serial_init() and in the usb_core we have a switch, which evaluates the current driver to use and calls then e.g. usb_serial_init() ? 11.36.37 Quit GodEater_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.36.40 # austriancoder: yes 11.37.12 # that also makes it easier to handle special cases for each driver, if there should be a need for such 11.37.26 # Zagor: okay... 11.37.47 Part gryzor 11.38.05 # however as far as init goes, I think all drivers should be initialized by usb_core_init(). I don't want to call that multiple times if we can avoid it. 11.38.13 # amiconn: my figuring was that I've never seem anything to speed up arm9 that hurt arm7 11.38.23 # Zagor: I can work on this if you want... as i know now how it should look like 11.38.37 # austriancoder: sounds good. go ahead! 11.38.39 # but I suppose there's some qualifiers and all things are probably not equal 11.39.01 # Zagor: fine :) 11.40.07 # Btw, the usb serial number is what windows uses to distinguish devices - if present 11.40.30 # amiconn: ok, good. we should use that then. 11.41.01 # A device with no serial number is a violation of the usb specs, but windows can deal with that, but there are some quirks, like assigned driver letters not being remembered 11.41.23 # But what *must* be avoided by all means are duplicate serial numbers 11.42.03 # amiconn: the serials only have to be unique for that vendor/product id, right? 11.43.10 # Not sure... 11.43.43 Join GodEater_ [0] (n=bryan@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 11.43.54 # Every individual PP target should already have a serial number in the OF - imho it would be best if we could use that 11.45.19 # The serial isn't in the ROM? :\ 11.46.20 # I would think it's in the rom somewhere 11.46.36 # Just need a i2c rom reader for sansa 11.47.40 # austriancoder: by the way, I was thinking about whether we really want a setting for driver or if we should use a set_configuration call to select the right one. using a call avoids all user confusion. 11.47.42 # In fact it must be or else a firmware upgrade would change it :p. duh! 11.48.04 Quit ddalton ("Lost terminal") 11.49.10 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 11.54.23 Quit goffa (Remote closed the connection) 11.54.27 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 11.56.42 # austriancoder: Are you planning on implementing DEBUGF() with the usb serial driver? 11.58.15 # * LinusN gives up getting usbser.sys to work with the rockbox usb serial driver 11.58.48 Quit HowdyDoody (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.59.08 Join Prayer [0] (n=Administ@c-71-225-221-149.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 12.03.15 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 12.03.22 Quit locutox (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.06.37 Join goffa_ [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 12.07.28 Quit inakinfbi (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.09.36 # linuxstb: yes... 12.10.16 # ;) 12.10.23 # Zagor: I dont konw if this could work... if i over two configurations (storage/serial), which would be choosen by the os? 12.10.45 # Zagor: And only one can be active - or? 12.12.18 # allegedly you can do both, and both would be active 12.12.54 # cool.. will give it a try 12.13.03 # I thought Zagor said that there weren't enough endpoints to have both active at the same time? 12.14.22 # at the moment yes... but the chip has but to 16 endpoints 12.15.43 Quit goffa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.16.53 # austriancoder: Iirc the chip has just 3 endpoints iirc 12.17.03 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 12.17.41 # amiconn: hmm... okay.. so we can only serial or storage active 12.17.49 Quit troymc () 12.19.31 # preglow: I'm considering it 12.24.00 # jmspeex: at least it's coldfire, nice for dsp 12.24.28 Quit mlind ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 12.27.53 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-238-81.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 12.28.02 Quit goffa_ (Remote closed the connection) 12.28.36 # why are we still using --timeout in the usb driver instead of USEC_TIMER checks? 12.29.02 Join Toki [0] (n=hsdbvlkb@gateimb.imb.lebedev.ru) 12.31.36 # jhMikeS: dont know... feel free to change 12.31.54 # btw, do we boost the CPU frequency on plugging? 12.32.24 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@pD955C22F.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.32.26 # or at some point anyway such as during transfers 12.33.57 Quit linuxstb ("Client Exiting") 12.34.00 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 12.34.17 # austriancoder: I'm worried a long transfer could expire the counter 12.34.56 Quit safetydan ("Leaving") 12.36.42 Quit mrkiko (Remote closed the connection) 12.39.34 Quit J3TC- (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12.41.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.43.58 # jhMikeS: I haven't seen any timeouts happening 12.45.03 # although maybe it's a good change to make anyway 12.45.11 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 12.46.27 # probably not on 64 bytes 12.53.33 Quit barrywardell () 12.58.34 # Zagor: You said there was a test program somewhere? 13.00.07 # found usb_benchmark.c in tools so I suppose that's the one :) 13.06.03 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-238-81.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 13.06.11 # jhMikeS: yeah 13.09.51 # austriancoder: only one configuration can be active at any one time. the usb command set_configuration is used to select which configuration to use. a hypothetical logf_reader or debug_reader tool could send the set_configuration to activate serial mode. 13.10.29 # austriancoder: the controller design supports up to 16 endpoints. but the chip in the sansas and ipods only have three endpoints. 13.11.00 # Zagor: okay.. but I dont want to use an other tool to read logf/debugf stuff.. i just want to use normal terminal programms 13.11.16 # Bagder: nice... didn't know that (though when seeing this picture it seems familiar, maybe I've seen it once a while ago...) :) 13.11.34 # :-) 13.11.42 # a classic one 13.13.00 # are you going to add some information on the 2006 one while you are at it? I didn't know much about it and wanted to leave that to someone else... 13.13.46 # I don't really remember much particular details... :-) 13.14.06 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.14.11 # hehe 13.14.13 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B16B0F.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.14.24 # the targets are mine, Linus' and amiconn's I believe 13.14.30 # gotta go 13.14.38 Quit barrywardell () 13.14.59 # austriancoder: a dedicted debug reader could be written to give be more useful than a simple terminal program. just such simple things as the timing of messages would be very useful. 13.15.51 # though it's not a big issue for me. i can live with a setting too. 13.16.57 # I will test the set_configuration part and then i will decide :) 13.18.45 # there's a set_interface too. we could use either one. 13.24.34 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 13.25.57 # * amiconn and pixelma should try to build a big tower of rockbox soon :) 13.27.36 # pp5002 targets on top, please...may they fall the hardest :) 13.28.30 # lol 13.29.08 # This tower could also feature a couple of open targets, or boards (Ondio, ipod 2nd Gen) 13.29.23 # wtf 13.29.24 Join J3TC- [0] (n=jetc123@wlrsvd-209.njit.edu) 13.29.29 # suddenly none of my codecs work on ipod 13.30.27 # They did get incompatible a few days ago 13.31.04 # i just did a full build and zip :/ 13.31.57 # * jhMikeS swears he has nothing to do with it 13.37.18 # jhMikeS: the c200 will probably make a nice top of the tower.. ;) 13.37.34 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 13.39.41 # pixelma: I have no qualms with c200 :) 13.40.23 # * pixelma should have read more thouroughly... 13.45.16 Quit stripwax (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.54.20 Part pondlife ("Gone") 13.57.59 # preglow: BTW, anyone got rockbox working on the iaudio 7? 13.58.19 # jmspeex: wouldn't know, i can't keep track of which iaudios are being worked on... 13.58.24 # btw, tested that asm stuff now 13.58.33 # and it gave iir_mem16 a really miniscule boost 13.58.49 # how about qmf_synth? 13.58.57 # what is weird is that wb mode got slower, while uwb mode got faster... 13.59.15 # significantly or can it just be noise? 13.59.41 # significantly, wb went from 447.2% realtime to 439.96& 13.59.46 # several tries 13.59.53 # uwb went from 263% to 268% 14.00.22 # i don't get how that can happen, uwb is just wb mode applied again, what made wb slower should also make uwb slower 14.00.54 # perhaps it's that iir_mem16 order 8 register stacking 14.01.29 # there was someone (TMM) starting to work on an Iaudio 7 port and it's already part of configure. I believe something went wrong with the player though and I don't know of anybody else working on that target 14.01.34 # maybe iir_mem16() and qmf_synth() changed speed in opposive directions 14.02.07 # jmspeex: well, nb mode only uses iir_mem16 order 10, so that has to be a tiny bit faster 14.02.28 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 14.02.43 # and the order 8 stuff should only be a tiny bit slower 14.04.13 Quit Shaid (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14.04.13 NSplit niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 14.05.44 Join pondlife [0] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 14.06.01 NHeal niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 14.06.01 NJoin Shaid [0] (i=shaid@124-168-65-175.dyn.iinet.net.au) 14.06.07 # i don't get why performance figures vary a lot at all, for me, most of this stuff is just minimizing load dependencies 14.06.11 # and arm7 doesn't care about that 14.06.24 # haha, the original Tower of Rockbox (April 2002) was the best of all ;) 14.08.18 # jmspeex: what type is the qmf in speex ? 14.08.34 # merbanan: what do you mean? 14.09.06 Join RaRe [0] (n=Laffin_B@202-89-187-101.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) 14.09.44 # pondlife: I move it up to the beginning... 14.12.33 # jmspeex: I've been trying to get my head around how to do the forward transform in dca, they use a qmf, but they have a 512 taps long filter, and there is a qmf called pqmf but the specs also mention PQF 14.14.04 # what's dca? 14.14.07 Part wookey_ 14.15.13 # iirc pqmf has near-perfect reconstruction, but the Speex QMF has perfect reconstruction (in theory anyway, Speex is far too lossy for that to make a difference) 14.16.09 # dts coherent acustics 14.18.01 # jmspeex: http://multimedia.cx/mirror/dts2.pdf page 42 14.18.52 Quit RaRe` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.18.58 # pondlife: spot the Amiga RF modulator on the table :-) 14.19.16 # Nice! 14.23.48 # jmspeex: but is the usual way for the inverse qmf to just reverse the taps ? 14.24.10 # merbanan: for QMFs, I believe so 14.24.24 # But there's generally better than QMF for audio. 14.24.35 # For example, you don't really need linear phase 14.25.40 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp62-145.adsl.forthnet.gr) 14.27.19 # well I need to use the filters that exists 14.29.13 # this seems to speed up sim disk access for me on VMWare even: http://jhmikes.cleansoap.org/sdl-io-tweaker.diff 14.31.15 Quit goffa (Remote closed the connection) 14.33.57 Quit Shaid (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14.33.57 NSplit niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 14.34.45 # my sim gets sluggish after startup when dirchache is enabled 14.35.07 # see if the patch helps 14.35.17 # jhMikeS: I just tried with it 14.35.30 # is it different? 14.35.40 # doesn't seem to be 14.35.51 # buffering is better for me 14.36.29 # ah, didn't try that 14.37.00 # didn't someone mention slowness in the sim? I can't find it in the logs 14.37.20 Quit weswh- (Remote closed the connection) 14.40.00 # actually, I could probably cut the buffering thread now that I think about it. I have a way to do prolonged yielding. Patch up quickly. 14.40.36 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14.41.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.43.02 # Nico_P: ML 14.43.15 # ahh, that's it! thanks :) 14.43.19 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@213.86.218.27) 14.43.36 # Nico_P: This next one will run as fast as it possibly could. 14.44.42 # hrmrmr 14.44.48 # test_codec hangs again, sometimes 14.44.57 # jmspeex, pixelma: TMM is still working on the iaudio 7 port, just slowly... 14.46.07 # forget that......... 14.46.14 # He did manage to brick his first player within about 10 minutes of receiving it, but the shop exchanged it.... 14.46.30 # way to go :-) 14.48.11 # pondlife: my sim is slow after startup too but it seems related to dircache 14.48.16 # * preglow notices that rockpaint uses a non-standard menu 14.49.06 # * petur wonders who uses rockpaint 14.49.23 # i entered it by mistake :/ 14.49.31 # hehe 14.49.35 # it doesn't use the wheel for ipods, either 14.49.39 # and the menu has bugs 14.49.40 # heh 14.50.02 # * Nico_P doesn't like that you can't view a bitmap by simply "clicking" on it 14.50.12 # how? 14.50.13 # * linuxstb suggests Nico_P writes a bitmap viewer... 14.50.21 # rockpaint is one 14.50.34 # or rather convert the jpeg viewer to an image viewer 14.50.39 # * GodEater_ points everyone to the new thread in the Unsupported builds forum 14.50.58 # * Nico_P is afraid of that forum 14.51.06 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14165.0 14.51.15 # ah, mr blackhawk 14.51.55 # LinusN: was that in your best "Blofeld" voice ? 14.52.16 # are you going to follow it up with "I've been expecting you", and a gesture towards a nearby pirana infested pond ? 14.52.21 # exactly :-) 14.52.34 # :) 14.53.12 # jmspeex: ok, made iir_mem16 a "return;", and it seems qmf_synth is faster 14.53.15 # Nico_P: new patch, same link. no extra thread but all the advantages. 14.53.56 # jmspeex: for some reason, nb mode is slightly faster with the new .S file, even if iir_mem16 is replaced by a "return;" even then... i hate caches 14.55.00 # jhMikeS: much better :) 14.55.03 Join nicktastic [0] (n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic) 14.55.23 # sweet 14.55.40 # Febs, have you enjoyed being called sir all morning too ? 14.55.47 Part nicktastic ("Leaving") 14.58.51 # jmspeex: yeah, confirmed, order 8 actually got slower, but only by a few percent, i don't get why the combination of new iir_mem16 and qmf_synth slow down so much 15.01.35 Join mrfree [0] (n=mrfree@host1-89-static.40-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it) 15.01.42 # hi all 15.02.02 # where I can find a rockbox build changelog? 15.02.32 # http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/MajorChanges is the major changes... 15.02.55 # Nico_P: guess that one's committed then 15.03.05 # cool :) 15.03.13 # mrfree: Or for very detailed changelog, see the "Subversion" table on the home page of the website, and the links underneath it. 15.04.36 # Hm - did anyone get back to roxfan[zzz] able to read a certain high density bga flash chip? 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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 17.41.46 Join OlivierBorowski [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-157-1-11-6.w86-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) 17.42.07 # ok music fans 17.42.39 # the name of the artist, and the album, that features on the cover : A huge eye in a clear blue sky, looking down at a crouching naked figure in a muddy field. 17.43.05 # o_O 17.43.18 # which may be male or female, but I can't tell from looking at this 17.44.00 # * scorche|w wonders if GodEater_ is in the wrong channel 17.44.39 # I just figured someone might know... 17.44.50 # scorche|w: maybe he tries to explain a new plugin idea? ;) 17.45.04 # pixelma: maybe! ;) 17.45.24 # if it involved crouching naked figures, i am all for it.. 17.46.33 # a multiple guess album cover quiz 17.46.47 # would be better than the spreadsheet version I'm trying to fill in - I'm not getting any clues from that =/ 17.48.39 Quit tchan ("WeeChat 0.2.7-dev") 17.50.30 Join tchan [0] (n=tchan@lunar-linux/developer/tchan) 17.52.46 Quit n1s () 17.53.17 # GodEater_ - sounds familiar.. one sec... 17.55.06 # * GodEater_ knew that the audiophiles and music lovers in #rockbox wouldn't let him down 17.55.26 Quit XavierGr_ ("One firmware to rule them all!") 17.58.17 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=mathias@vpnd202.ugent.be) 18.01.13 Quit barrywardell (Remote closed the connection) 18.03.35 # * linuxstb is starting to doubt that stripwax has recognised it... 18.04.06 Join idnar [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 18.04.09 # yeah, actually I haven't turned up anything after all. 18.07.20 # Any chance you could link to the actual picture? 18.08.40 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 18.08.45 Quit petur ("work->home") 18.10.22 Join Frazz [0] (n=Fraser@thelawsons.plus.com) 18.11.07 Quit syn4pse ("Time wasted on IRC: 13 hours 23 minutes 22 seconds") 18.16.23 Join mrkiko [0] (n=mrkiko@adsl-ull-141-48.42-151.net24.it) 18.23.55 Quit pabs (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18.24.10 Join darkhelmet [0] (n=rberger3@64.126.96.145) 18.24.12 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 18.24.51 # i just bought a c240 off of woot.com and was wondering if i should put rockbox on it 18.24.58 # what's the main advantages 18.25.02 # better audio? 18.25.11 # tons more audio formats 18.25.29 # sane volume control 18.25.33 Join stripwax_ [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 18.25.40 # themes 18.25.49 # desowin: oh yes 18.25.56 # * stripwax_ hmms and realises his irc session had just hung, and he's missed out on the last twenty mins 18.25.58 # darkhelmet: see the wiki page WhyRockbox 18.26.01 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp86-218.adsl.forthnet.gr) 18.26.20 # stripwax_: it wasnt anything special 18.26.41 # :) 18.26.54 # got it 18.26.59 # thanks 18.27.02 # darkhelmet: could you check the original firmware version before (it's in their system menu if I remember correctly 18.27.07 # ) 18.27.09 Join Chronon [0] (i=vircuser@d23-104.uoregon.edu) 18.27.31 # pixelma: sorry, how do i check the firmware version? 18.27.53 Quit mf0102 ("Verlassend") 18.28.22 # darkhelmet: settings->about (or informations, whatever it's called) 18.28.31 # go to "settings" then "system info" 18.29.21 # version 01.01.05p 18.30.06 Part linuxstb ("Leaving") 18.30.43 # ok, Sandisk disabled the MSC mode setting in this particular version 18.31.04 # meaning 18.31.11 # am i not able to laod it then 18.31.37 Quit kubiix (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.31.43 # but as far as I know you can downgrade to v1.01.00 with Sandisk's firmware updater (but didn't have to do it myself) 18.33.11 # you need MSC mode to put Rockbox on it but it's possible. I've heard of two cases so far - one in the forums, one in the mailing list. Both were successful 18.33.51 # well i am getting the firmware updater 18.34.01 # i have no songs or anything so i am not worried about losing anything 18.34.08 # just pulled it out of the packaging 18.34.15 # so will updating do anything else 18.36.05 # is that a question? 18.36.39 Join bertrik [0] (n=Bertrik_@249-022-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 18.36.40 # hehe :) 18.36.49 # sorry, what does updating the firmware do? 18.37.38 # nevermind 18.37.43 # found it on the site 18.40.02 # Can I rely on gcc allocating physical addresses to data declared in a single source file into a contiguous section? (i.e. could it be intermingled with data declared in other source files?) 18.41.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.42.50 Quit stripwax (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.43.50 # stripwax: I don't think so. If you have some data for the .data section and some other data for the .bss section, the data from the source file will not be contiguous 18.45.14 # bertrik - true, but will all .data be contiguous? For example, if I put static bool dummy CACHEALIGN_ATTR at the top and bottom of apps/plugins/pacbox/z80.c , is that going to ensure that ALL the (non-ibss) data used by the z80 engine is going to live at addresses that cannot map to cache entries used by anything else? 18.45.20 # well i used to firmwware updater 18.45.33 # but i'm still on the same 01.01.05p 18.47.59 # pixelma: Just as an interesting note, my c200 is 1.01.05 and doesn't have a "MSC" mode option, but when connected to my linux box iPodPatcher found it just fine. 18.48.10 # stripwax_: as far as I've seen, stuff in .data it is contiguous for one source file, but I have no idea if there's a guarantee for that 18.48.24 # ok, thanks 18.48.44 # pixelma: Wait, 1.01.06p, nevermind. But still, no option for USB mode in the menu, at all. 18.49.07 # Llorean: hmm... now that you tell me, I think I remember advcomp2019 saying this too 18.50.00 # I think he knows best 18.51.13 # darkhelmet: what operating system are you on? 18.52.10 # xp 18.52.14 # pro 18.54.18 # here's what I found in the mailing list regarding the downgrade http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2007-12/0035.shtml - but as I said, I didn't have to do it myself so can't give you more details (and it looks like I already remembered wrong wrt to the updater). Hopefully someone else can confirm/help out 18.57.15 # in the forum post someone said he was able to get the c200 into MSC mode by pressing "left" during the boot. Do you get a drive letter in windows explorer if you do that, darkhelmet? 18.57.35 # let me try 18.57.44 # with this firmware version I meant 18.57.46 Quit Mathiasdm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.57.48 # i also found the downgrade on the rockbox forum 18.58.02 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaC200Port 18.58.36 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=mathias@vpnb210.ugent.be) 18.58.39 Quit J3TC- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.59.08 Join rp- [0] (n=rp@193.154.222.107) 18.59.35 # i mean it shows up under "my computer" as sansa 240 and then a mp3 player icon 18.59.40 Join J3TC- [0] (n=jetc123@wlrsvd-209.njit.edu) 18.59.43 # and sansa 240 as a mini tv icon 18.59.52 # but holding left didn't do anything 19.06.16 # not a very confident what advise to give here but I always thought that the installation needs the device in normal mass storage mode, anybody else? 19.06.52 # Hi! somebody know how i can continue browsing through the menu, while usb is plugged in? (sansa e200) 19.07.16 # rp-: hold "select" while plugging 19.07.18 # pixelma: As I said, I didn't have to set MSC mode, but I didn't have an option. 19.07.27 # rp-: I think the sansa is supposed to reboot 19.07.34 # pixelma: thx 19.08.07 # I'm not sure what firmware version my player first had, since it got corrupted and I never checked. But I then reinstalled/updated with 1.01.06p and the Sansapatcher at least worked without me doing anything special on the player 19.08.15 # bertrik: I disabled this, I work a bit working on the mass storage 19.08.56 # Llorean: do you think darkhelmet should just try? The worst that it could happen that sansaptcher refuses to work, or...? 19.08.59 # rp-: cool, I'd like to work on USB too, but a development cycle just takes soooo long 19.09.18 # pixelma: Yeah, the worst that could happen is Sansapatcher saying "No Sansas detected." No harm. 19.09.41 # It won't actually do anything unless it's fairly sure there's a sansa to do it to. 19.10.34 # ok, I would also be interested in the result (maybe the note in the manual isn't needed after all...) 19.11.41 # rp-: I think there are still some issues with the basic USB stuff, like stalling the control endpoint 19.13.11 # ok so download the sansapatcher and see what happens? 19.13.22 # should i downgrade to 01.01.00a 19.13.26 # ? 19.15.04 Quit Mathiasdm ("Ik ga weg") 19.15.44 Quit OlivierBorowski (Remote closed the connection) 19.16.02 # would be interesting (and a helpful information) if you could first try without downgrading, and only downgrade if sansapatcher gives the mentioned error message 19.18.41 # Still no interest in the updated bitmap sliding_puzzle ? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7218?histring=sliding_puzzle 19.19.27 # pixelma will try that 19.19.28 Join dreamtheater [0] (n=tom@faochpc05.tu-graz.ac.at) 19.20.23 # It fixes one of the oldest feature requests although admittedly not for 1bpp targets .. http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/1520?pagenum=23 19.21.24 # pixelma: says no e200 or c200s detected 19.21.51 # stripwax_: Wouldn't it be better to wait and see if we end up getting bmp resizing in the core? They were talking about a higher quality resize than the existing bitmap resize patch used, last I heard. 19.22.23 # darkhelmet: ah, thanks :) 19.23.48 Join przemhb [0] (n=przemhb@fan115.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 19.26.15 # Llorean - they were? I'm sure it had been said that bmp resizing was not going to be in the core (since nothing needs it in the core) 19.26.34 # * preglow wants resizing in the core 19.26.38 # as well as jpeg loading... 19.27.19 # reckon sliding_puzzle will ever get updated for color targets? is that really a necessary precondition? 19.27.40 # for what? 19.28.07 # stripwax_: It was discussed for album art, now that we have it... 19.29.39 # preglow - is having high quality bmp resizing in the core a necessary precondition for applying the sliding_puzzle bitmap patch (in presumably a modified form that makes use of that bmp resizing in the core) 19.29.47 # Llorean - ok... 19.30.04 # Is there any work in progress for the ipod nano 2G, 3G? 19.30.10 # dreamtheater: No. 19.30.23 # stripwax_: Why's there such urgency for committing this, honestly? 19.30.41 # pixelma: i downgraded 19.30.46 # and now there is a usb option 19.30.48 # stripwax_: well, i sincerely hope resizing isn't that far away that we'll need to wait long for it anyway 19.31.15 # :) no urgency, just the patch has been around for a while, and I usually ask what needs to be done to get the patch committed, implement that, and ask again, and kinda go round and round like that... 19.31.35 # stripwax_: only way to get anything commited, so... 19.31.42 # now when i run the sansa it finds it 19.32.04 # right. so only way to get it committed now seems to be for (me? who?) to implement bmp resizing in core, is that right? 19.32.18 # I'm thinking about getting some good portable audio player, on which rockbox can be run (and I quite liked the nano 2G ;o) ) 19.32.30 # darkhelmet: good, don't forget to unzip a current build and you're good to go 19.32.33 # I thought the argument for not putting bmp resizing in the actual albumart commit in svn was that core didn't need it.. 19.34.01 # core doesn't _need_ it, but album art support is seriously nerfed without it 19.34.10 # core _needs_ very few things, i hardly think that's a good argument 19.34.48 # I thought the main reason it wasn't already included was more a "I'll get to it later, it still needs work" kinda thing, as well as unhappiness with the current algorithm? 19.34.50 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 19.34.51 Quit J3TC- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.35.09 # Get MoB working, then get AA working, and when those kinks are worked out, then add the shiny resize features. 19.35.15 # Llorean: i think that too, it does need work 19.35.26 # mob needs more work... 19.35.31 # Aye 19.35.38 # still glitches like a bitch here 19.36.02 # I haven't had many/any MoB glitches recently, but my listening habits are probably too simple to trigger anything in casual use. 19.36.19 # i like to switch to a new track at the very end of another one 19.36.23 # mob hates that, and it was supposed to fix it 19.36.31 # and i occasionally get the wrong metadata for a track 19.36.35 # The resize algorithm definitely sucks (not just in terms of quality but implementation too - resizing on the fly while loading the file rather than resizing a buffer in-place). 19.36.43 Nick stripwax_ is now known as stripwax (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 19.37.12 # preglow: See, recently I've been doing a lot of driving, with audiobooks. So no skipping or browsing at all really. Just one long, simple playlist 19.37.12 # sometimes a bunch of tracks will have metadata that shows a file in the future 19.38.57 # I too have been having metadata issues 19.39.11 # something gets out of sync, probably between the buffer and teh static id3 structs 19.39.41 # preglow: I didn't know MoB was supposed to fix the "last few seconds" bug 19.39.43 # too much weirdness still happens when skipping tracks, basically 19.40.06 # lostlogic: i thought that was the same issue > 19.40.07 # :> 19.40.16 # that was, is and will always be the providence of playback.c to deal with to know what track to seek/skip in based on what the PCM is playing 19.41.15 # pixelma: i am going to follow some instructions and let you now how it turns out 19.41.22 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 19.43.56 # lostlogic: How come the "Elapsed Time" thing in the WPS doesn't change over to the new track "near the end"? Or rather, if that knows we're still playing the old track, why don't the seeky bits? 19.46.05 Quit dreamtheater ("Verlassend") 19.46.14 # Llorean: because when I fixed the playback display ~2years ago I didn't add conditions based on it to the other parts ;) 19.46.28 # "because lostlogic is a lazy sack" 19.46.45 # So in other words, a portion of what's needed to fix the problem is sitting around gathering dust? 19.47.06 Quit austriancoder (Remote closed the connection) 19.47.16 # bertrik: yeah, I know, I'm trying to find out, what happens and what doesn't 19.47.28 # lots of dust on it in my head -- I don't remember what would need done -- I think there are some long standing notes at the top of playback.c that suggest how to fix it 19.47.43 # Ah 19.48.46 # yep, notes are still there 19.49.03 # the suggested method should work but is nontrivial 19.50.34 Quit pondlife ("Read error: 110 (Connection slimed out)") 19.51.05 # how can i find out how much the c240 can handle microdisk memory wise 19.52.02 # microwhat? 19.52.14 # you mean microsd card size? 19.52.15 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A40A3.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.52.54 # indeed 19.54.22 # rockbox supports microsdhc, which is up to.. 4G now? 19.54.45 # but the original firmware probably doesnt support sdhc 19.54.59 # in theory it should be possible with Rockbox to use microSDHC (up to 32GB) as the e-series but last I heard it didn't work correctly 19.55.07 # oh really? 19.55.50 # the problem is that no developer has a C200 and a SDHC card so couldn't take a look 19.55.53 # On the c series, nobody's absolutely confirmed microSDHC has worked for them, and there's been one or two people saying it's not working 19.56.00 Join moos [0] (i=moos@m236.net81-66-159.noos.fr) 19.56.11 # I do intend to pick up a MicroSDHC card next time I see one though 19.58.07 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@pD955B929.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.58.23 # what is microsdhc as opposed to microsd 19.59.56 # microsd only goes up to 2GB i think, microsd high capacity goes much higher 20.00.18 # microsdhc is from 4gb up to 32gb 20.01.12 # gotcha 20.01.22 # beginning of next year there should be a 8gb microsdhc aviable 20.04.52 # any settings system knowledgable people here who can tell me why the status bar, or at least the battery icon, isn't updated when in a settings list? 20.05.22 # I think there are 8GB cards available already (but haven't seen one here, maybe they only sell them in other places of the world...) 20.05.49 # preglow: I've noticed that on players with volume buttons, when in any list (menus, filetree) the status bar seems to update very slowly to volume changes 20.06.39 # pixelma: I think those are SDHC, not microSDHC 20.07.06 # Llorean: updates just fine here 20.07.20 # Llorean: i notice now that the battery icon does update if i scroll through list entries 20.08.07 # desowin: http://search.sandisk.com/?c=0&cat=0&q=microsdhc 20.08.35 # blah, fixing forward skip during the last few seconds wouldn't be too hard, but fixing backward skip or seek during the last few seconds sucks a donkey dong 20.08.55 # * lostlogic nominates notme for the task 20.10.01 # "Unfortunately there are no featured merchants listed for this product." 20.13.13 Join Bagder_ [0] (n=daniel@1-1-5-26a.hud.sth.bostream.se) 20.15.34 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@79.16.206.202) 20.16.00 Join J3TC- [0] (n=jetc123@wlrsvd-209.njit.edu) 20.18.03 Join Fraser [0] (n=Fraser@thelawsons.plus.com) 20.18.03 Quit Frazz (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.20.10 # think i've found the reason for the lagging statusbar on startup 20.21.08 # why would talk_shutup() spend a long time doing what it does? 20.22.08 # Llorean: may I remind you about the c200 description for the manual, now? :) 20.22.27 # jhMikeS: here? 20.23.02 # pixelma: Ah, yes, thanks, I am reminded. 20.23.14 # * Llorean puts it in his current ToDo list. 20.23.37 Join DrMoos [0] (i=moos@m236.net81-66-159.noos.fr) 20.23.37 # thanks :) 20.24.11 Join webguest18 [0] (i=d4b78642@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2ebddc03e374b0fb) 20.24.12 Part Llorean 20.25.13 Quit DrMoos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.26.08 # Bagder: Around? 20.26.29 Quit webguest18 (Client Quit) 20.26.35 Quit bertrik ("bye") 20.29.41 Join webguest26 [0] (i=d4b78642@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-fdfdc74ba117d2de) 20.30.44 Quit Bagder (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.30.55 Quit webguest26 (Client Quit) 20.31.21 # amiconn: here? 20.34.16 Quit rp- (".") 20.37.50 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF6E79.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.39.47 Quit J3TC- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.41.41 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.42.09 Join karashata [0] (n=karashat@207.61.208.119) 20.45.03 Join stripwax_ [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 20.46.48 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@m94.net81-66-75.noos.fr) 20.47.39 Quit mirak (Connection reset by peer) 20.47.39 # preglow: yep 20.48.06 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@m94.net81-66-75.noos.fr) 20.53.38 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.20.101) 20.53.46 Join nana [0] (i=4adcca1c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-dcaa42514eb1cef0) 20.54.30 Quit karashata ("I'm a fluffy dragon, anyone who gets in my way will be snuggled to death!") 20.58.10 # * Nico_P had never noticed (or completely forgotten about) the notes at the top of playback.c 20.59.14 Quit nana ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 20.59.16 # preglow: would low-latency help with the track transition issues? 21.01.16 # amiconn: could you build a new rbspeexenc? voicebox needs updating 21.01.46 # Nico_P: you mean the pcm low latency thing we use for eq and stuff? 21.02.32 # preglow: yes, but from your question I guess the answer to my question is no... :) 21.02.32 # What's the problem with voice box? 21.03.02 # I made a bunch of clips just yesterday, no problems 21.04.20 # amiconn: no problem with it, i just want to include the new volume option for voicebox users as well 21.04.40 # ah 21.04.48 # Nico_P: that's not meant for regular use 21.04.53 # Nico_P: and quite frankly, i hate it :) 21.05.01 # Nico_P: doubt it'd help anyway 21.05.03 # why? 21.05.12 # why do you hate it I mean 21.06.46 # Nico_P: because it's a hack, it lowers the pcmbuf watermark 21.06.59 # which means music has a higher suscpetibility to skipping when you use it 21.08.07 Part przemhb 21.08.08 # ok 21.09.12 # and anyway, i don't see how it'll help 21.09.17 # it's a playback issue, not a dsp issue 21.09.36 # very true.... I was just a bit confused about the scope 21.11.21 Join TMM [0] (n=hp@ip565b35da.direct-adsl.nl) 21.13.20 # maybe using jhMikeS' "state machine" approach could help things 21.13.44 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 21.14.04 # oh yes 21.14.48 # looks like a nice way to keep track of what you're actually doing 21.14.58 # indeed 21.15.15 Quit stewball (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.19.56 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 21.20.17 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@85.179.50.4) 21.20.45 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@cpe-70-113-103-34.austin.res.rr.com) 21.20.53 # amiconn: thanks 21.37.51 Join Redbreva [0] (n=Miranda@host86-144-108-57.range86-144.btcentralplus.com) 21.45.14 Quit Xerion (" ") 21.47.18 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 21.47.27 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 21.49.57 Quit mrkiko (Remote closed the connection) 21.50.24 Nick Bagder_ is now known as Bagder (n=daniel@1-1-5-26a.hud.sth.bostream.se) 21.51.06 Join jott [0] (n=j@unaffiliated/jott) 21.55.22 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 21.56.35 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.00.31 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp84-115.adsl.forthnet.gr) 22.01.15 Join Buschel [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3F756.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.03.51 Join Casainho [0] (n=chatzill@87-196-12-18.net.novis.pt) 22.04.08 # Hello / good night!! 22.04.19 Quit blithe (Remote closed the connection) 22.04.29 Join blithe [0] (n=blithe@stiletto.djblithe.com) 22.04.32 # hey ho 22.04.46 # anyone knows where, If possible, can I ifnd the datasheet of Portal player used in Sansa_ 22.04.53 # you can't 22.05.19 # eheheh >/( 22.05.35 # Bagder: Just the man! 22.05.51 # so, how people discovered how to work with some parts of PP_ 22.05.57 # Do you know the file format for V2 Sansa firmwares? 22.06.07 # Casainho: reverse engineering 22.06.12 # dan_a: nope, but I've been starting to look at it 22.06.34 # okok... 22.06.45 # Could I have a copy of the data sheet? 22.07.04 # but, reverse enginiereing code _ / to understande what registers do_ 22.07.18 Quit BigBambi (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.07.38 # Casainho: this is why we don't have anything nearing full documentation of the pp chips 22.07.46 # it's slow and complicated work 22.08.12 Quit stripwax_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.08.17 # oh man, thats hard... 22.08.45 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 22.08.46 Join XavierGr_ [0] (n=xavier@ppp75-109.adsl.forthnet.gr) 22.09.05 # okok 22.09.13 # bye bye >/( 22.09.14 Join BigBambi [0] (n=alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 22.09.19 Quit Casainho ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.10/2007112817]") 22.09.50 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-209-141.student.uu.se) 22.14.49 Join stripwax_ [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 22.15.56 Quit Buschel () 22.18.33 Quit mf0102 ("Verlassend") 22.18.35 Join OlivierBorowski [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-157-1-11-6.w86-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) 22.20.30 Quit merbanan (Remote closed the connection) 22.20.52 Quit mirak (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.22.26 Quit XavierGr_ (Remote closed the connection) 22.22.49 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp75-109.adsl.forthnet.gr) 22.25.01 Join JohannesVoggenth [0] (i=d9eed5c7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-29136c8ca78382a4) 22.25.22 # jhMikeS: is there any reason talk_shutup() should spend a long time doing what it does? 22.25.50 # hi there! 22.28.38 # I have finished a wps and would like to submit it the wiki. can somebody here give me write permissions? 22.30.26 # done! 22.30.42 # uh no 22.30.46 # * Bagder spelled it wrong 22.32.07 # now it should work 22.36.12 Join Lars_G_ [0] (n=Lars@ippool.ifxnetworks.com.ve) 22.36.23 # you guys should check www.woot.com today 22.36.35 Join tmccrary [0] (n=tmccrary@68.78.185.227) 22.36.49 # Hi, I have an Sansa e250, how do I uninstall rockbox? 22.37.14 # I am trying the "hit power and hold left" to get into the original firmware and it still boots into the rockbox firmware 22.37.17 # tmccrary: use sansapatcher to delete bootloader and remove the .rockbox directory 22.37.39 # hit powe, and wait until it goes completly off 22.37.41 # How do I use the sansapatcher, as from the rockbox firmware USB doesn't work? 22.38.07 # then either plug in usb, or press power button, and quickly hold left button 22.38.49 # hmm, when I plug in the usb, it goes SanDisk screen, white flash, SanDisk screen, white flash, etc 22.39.30 # what bootloader did you install? 22.40.42 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Port 22.41.27 # I install Sansa E200 22.41.39 # port 22.41.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.41.45 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") 22.41.57 # I used sansapatcher when the original firmware was installed 22.42.12 # I want to go back to the original firmware, but I cannot use sansapatcher as USB isn't supported. 22.42.31 # it's weird that it doesn't let you boot into OF 22.43.00 # i am holding the left button down and it's siting at the sandisk screen 22.43.37 # well, there's SansaE200Unbrick - I've used it once when I played with svn bootloader, but beware if you do something wrong here you can brick your player 22.44.01 # tmccrary: just use the recovery mode and put the OF mi4 there 22.44.13 # Are sansas terminally brickable? (that is, for someone without a jtag and lots of patience) 22.44.25 # Lars_G_: no 22.44.35 # not to my knowledge at least 22.44.37 # where do I get the OF mi4? 22.44.37 # ok 22.44.48 # Anyhow, check woot. speaking of sansas 22.44.52 # most "bricks" are just people without patience or clues 22.44.53 Join joshin_ [0] (n=joshin@VDSL-130-13-252-63.PHNX.QWEST.NET) 22.45.01 # ah, found it 22.45.15 # e260 for $50 + $5 shipping 22.45.57 # there are like 10 different OF 22.46.22 # Lars_G_: "we do not ship outside of the continental United States" 22.46.45 # Lars_G_: they has 2gb one for 15$+shipping one day 22.46.49 # Is there a way to tell which firmware I should install or just the newest one> 22.46.50 # ? 22.47.00 # Lars_G_: also it rather fits into #rockbox-community imo 22.47.02 # tmccrary: you pick 22.47.06 # ok 22.47.22 # Badger: What do you mean? 22.47.33 # I mean it doesn't matter. at all 22.47.39 # for Rockbox or us 22.47.42 # just for you 22.47.48 # I have no idea how they differ... 22.48.01 Quit Febs (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.49.10 Part Lars_G_ 22.53.39 # ah, such garbage 22.54.58 Quit tmccrary ("Leaving.") 22.55.11 Join joshin__ [0] (n=joshin@VDSL-130-13-10-238.PHNX.QWEST.NET) 22.55.53 Quit joshin (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.56.21 Join joshin [0] (n=joshin@VDSL-130-13-10-238.PHNX.QWEST.NET) 22.56.46 Quit joshin__ (Client Quit) 22.56.46 Quit joshin (Client Quit) 22.56.55 Join joshin [0] (n=joshin@VDSL-130-13-10-238.PHNX.QWEST.NET) 22.57.32 Quit joshin_ (Nick collision from services.) 23.00.09 Quit Fraser ("Leaving") 23.01.37 # submitted my theme. thank you badger, for giving me permissions 23.02.05 # Is there a mailing list one could subscribe to, to get notifications of new patches, bug reports, etc? Other than the weekly 'open patches' mails? 23.02.17 # stripwax: rockbox-sf .. check the mailing list page 23.02.48 # ta 23.02.55 Quit Jon-Kha (Remote closed the connection) 23.03.12 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 23.04.33 Quit desowin ("use linux") 23.05.27 Join donsdw [0] (n=donsdx@ip68-101-195-153.sd.sd.cox.net) 23.05.29 Quit Redbreva ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 23.07.14 Join joshin_ [0] (n=joshin@VDSL-130-13-252-151.PHNX.QWEST.NET) 23.08.02 # moos: what are you comparing by eye, that needs strings to come in same order? If it's one string, you're just going to search for the ID anyway, surely? 23.08.34 # yup but like I said you that's more conventional than made for utility ;) 23.08.37 Quit joshin (Nick collision from services.) 23.09.15 # but I'm not against it, since that's just a detail 23.09.28 Nick joshin_ is now known as joshin (n=joshin@unaffiliated/joshin) 23.09.39 # JohannesVoggenth: very nice theme, as I said in the forum... 23.10.20 # moos: well, it shouldn't be terribly hard to do, but I'm not really convinced it's better. Current output is the same as if the user had used genlang. 23.11.04 # I know, that's just that we always used this rules by *convention* (again) 23.11.39 # Where was this convention established? Again, my script has not done any reordering that I'm aware of 23.12.22 # thank you, nico 23.12.30 # I'm not really sure how languages got out of order, but I'm inclined to blame genlang 23.12.31 # rasher: hehe :) I just repeat again the thing I noticed in those translation patches pending using your usuful tool 23.14.14 # * moos regrets to speak about his observation to rasher ;) 23.16.00 # moos: I just don't understand why it's necessary. Genlang does the hard work, and marks points for translators to take care of. If you're doing francais.lang by hand, I understand why it's helpful to have it in the same order, but that's not the norm 23.17.27 # rasher: please don't mix up things, I spoke about one rule that we always follow, but feel free to change if you want, please mention it in the wiki language page then 23.17.40 # Which rule are you talking about? 23.18.06 Quit MethoS- (Remote closed the connection) 23.18.28 # JohannesVoggenth: the download link does not work... 23.19.21 # rasher: I spoke about all translations made before you released your tool/script, folow the master file order...but seems I speak for nothing and about a detail... 23.19.39 # You're wrong. My script hasn't changed anything. 23.20.40 # Am I suppose to put a .fmr file inside a directory? 23.20.43 Join tmccrary [0] (n=tmccrary@68.78.185.227) 23.21.02 # Alright, after much screwing around, I have gotten rid of the virus called Rockbox. Thanks for the tips everyone! :) 23.21.17 Part tmccrary 23.21.24 # ...eh? 23.21.26 # rasher: sorry for annoyance, nevermind...just that people wanted to update her language file but the strings aren't ordered in the same way, but *nevermind*. 23.21.41 # moos: again, this is not my fault. 23.22.07 # moos: you're completely ignoring what I've been telling you. My script keeps strings in the same order as they were. As does genlang. 23.22.25 # rasher: that the fault to no one, (hope you didn't misinterpreted the remark made, that wasn't agaisnt you :) 23.22.46 # donsdw, what are you trying to do? 23.23.07 # Just add my first fm preset. 23.23.39 # moos: if you want the strings in a particular language ordered as in english.lang, feel free to do so, but it's not the job of genlang to change the order 23.23.44 # I don't know whether to put it in .rockbox or create a directory inside or outside of .rockbox. 23.23.51 # And if it does, that's a bug. 23.24.07 # Which should be filed against genlang ("build system") 23.25.11 # rasher, yup I know, that's just that before no translators submitted patches like this, then we could ignore this convention now? 23.25.30 # and let's genlang made the job 23.25.40 # moos: THERE IS NO CONVENTION AND THERE NEVER WAS 23.25.40 # donsdw, the wiki page claims you can put it anywhere you like, but appears to suggest that "/.rockbox/fmpresets/" is an option 23.26.06 Quit Siku () 23.26.09 # moos: Nothing has changed. Nothing. Absolutely nothing at all. My script does everything in the exact same way as genlang. Because it *uses* genlang internally. 23.26.46 Join bertrik [0] (n=Bertrik_@249-022-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 23.26.48 # rasher: thanks very much. I just discovered the wiki and will be reading it now. 23.27.05 # oops I mean thank you krazykit 23.28.11 # donsdw, ah, the FmPresets page is more explicit than the other pages seem to be as to how auto-loading the presets works 23.28.20 # rasher: WE ALWAYS UPDATED THE LANGUAGES THIS WAY BEFORE, BUT THEN AGAIN THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM, JUST A DETAIL, BUT DON'T SAY THAT WE ALWAYS MADE THIS BEFORE, SINCE ALL TRANSLATIONS WAS MADE THIS WAY AND THIS SINCE THE START IIRC 23.28.21 # rasher: Before langv2, uplang (which is now part of genlang) was able to sort strings into english.lang order 23.29.06 # amiconn: thanks, I bagan to think I was being crazy :) 23.29.09 # began 23.29.11 # but did we ever do that? 23.29.14 # it should do this *only* when adding new strings, imho 23.29.17 # if at all 23.29.20 # krazykit: thanks again, I looking now. 23.29.34 # Bagder: We definitely did 23.29.43 Nick parafin is now known as parafin|away (i=parafin@paraf.in) 23.30.01 # Bagder: before the rasher's tool, that was more easy to update languages following the english file order 23.30.04 # And imo it's a very useful feature - it's easier to spot mistakes this way 23.30.19 # moos: I don't see how rasher's tool changed anything of that 23.30.22 # moos: no. Shut up and read. MY TOOL DOES NOT MATTER 23.30.23 # amiconn: same think 23.30.43 # rasher: please don't begin to be offensive for nothing 23.30.46 # !!! 23.31.07 # moos: for nothing? You're trying to claim I'm breaking conventions, when I do everything the same way as the official way 23.31.20 # moos: and I've explained this to you about a dozen times now 23.31.27 # krazykit: the FmPresets page seems to be about sharing. I haven't seen where to load yet. 23.32.25 # It suggest /.rockbox/fmpresets as you suggested. 23.33.07 # moos: I'm sorry, but I can only take so much undeserved blame before I get annoyed. 23.33.11 # donsdw, are you putting the .fmr onto your player or are you trying to add it to the wiki? 23.33.31 # rasher: then please "read and shut up" too what I said you, I didn't claimed that *you* broke any convention, I just made the error to report you one observation that I saw with patches submitted and used the tool. Sorry for the annoyance then 23.33.38 # krazykit: Onto my player. 23.33.57 # I'm having another problem, though. 23.34.20 # donsdw, the second line explaind what to do with the files. what's the other problem? 23.34.22 # moos: and yet you keep babbling about things changing after my tool. Nothing has changed. 23.34.30 # moos: you did seem to imply rasher's tool changed things, though 23.35.11 Join RogerBacon [0] (i=RogerBac@bas3-sherbrooke-1279324370.dsl.bell.ca) 23.35.22 Part RogerBacon 23.35.29 # moos: Please understand that my tool yields the exact same results as using genlang. There is no change, and no difference. 23.35.32 # I'm in play mode, but cannot get to the Settings menu. Left arrow puts me in Context Menu. 23.35.48 Join test12343223 [0] (i=RogerBac@bas3-sherbrooke-1279324370.dsl.bell.ca) 23.36.11 # donsdw, on what player? 23.36.12 # petur, the download link is working now 23.36.33 # Another left arrow returns me to the play screen. I can't get past the Context Menu or play screen. 23.36.38 # Sansa 23.36.46 # mmm ... im crazy if i said that i listen a flac track and another track is playing in the background of the flac one at the same time ? 23.36.49 # no changed things, that's just due to langv2 changes but before translators didn't use genlang for update the translations, then we always used for easabilty same order that's english for easy compare and differences checking. Now if we say that we don't follow the english order, that's not a problem 23.38.04 # I don't really see which mistakes are easier to spot? 23.38.10 # hrmf 23.38.22 # my player is full of voice clips with truncated file names :/ 23.38.43 # preglow: err 23.39.18 # rasher: personnally I don't care that just if we say translations could not follow the same order that english, translators have to know out, no? 23.40.05 # Was there ever a rule that translations must follow the order of english.lang? Wasn't it just "use uplang/genlang" and all will be fine? 23.40.36 Quit OlivierBorowski ("Konversation terminated!") 23.40.54 # rasher: that's just with the years the things became a habbit, and that's true that's for eyes comparaison that could be better for easy match a difference 23.41.09 # What kind of difference? 23.41.31 # donsdw, i'm really unfamiliar with radio stuff. for now, all i can really say is to use the latest build, and check the manual for what they keymaps are 23.41.51 # rasher: line by line comparaison...and not have to search for a string... 23.42.08 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet24.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 23.42.18 # Okay krazykit. Thanks a lot for your time. 23.42.21 # rasher: but then again that's just a detail 23.42.28 # rasher: progressed any more with the xml voice stuff, btw? 23.42.30 # But why do you need to do line by line comparisons? Surely using genlang points out problem areas? 23.42.41 Join einhirn [0] (n=Miranda@p5B030ABE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 23.42.42 # rasher: it was really easier to spot mistakes (like missing 'featurexyz: "blah"' in the dest and voice parts if you can view the 2 files side by side 23.42.59 # pixelma: exaclty 23.43.01 Join B33B5 [0] (n=B33B5@c211-28-150-72.brasd1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 23.43.03 # pixelma: but that's a problem that arose because you didn't use genlang in the first place... 23.43.10 # no 23.43.13 # I did 23.43.19 # Then there's a bug in genlang 23.43.23 # unrelated to ordering 23.43.42 # but it only points out differences in the source part and lang IDs 23.43.56 # well that's a bug and should be fixed, obviously 23.44.06 # preglow: s/voice/language/ you mean? Not really. I put my current state in the tracker 23.44.26 # yes, sure. If that's fixed order doesn't matter 23.44.45 Quit test12343223 () 23.45.26 Quit donsdw () 23.45.33 # yup, and since we made this doesn't matter for one language,that will maybe made more people using genlang and agin rasher your *usuful* tool 23.45.40 # rasher: oh, yeah, lang 23.45.45 # used to talking about voice 23.46.08 # i still think xml lang is a good idea 23.46.23 # I'm for it as well 23.46.40 Quit stripwax (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.46.44 # the lang files are getting so large that tools are needed to work efficiently with them now, imho 23.46.51 # and the format is practically xml already 23.47.26 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 23.48.32 Quit Chronon ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 23.49.44 Quit JohannesVoggenth ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23.50.54 Quit Domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.51.03 # does the sansa c200 series not play video at all? 23.51.26 # good night all, and sorry again rasher If I involantary offended you, that wasn't my intention 23.52.04 Quit moos ("bye") 23.55.13 # also, does anyone know how to change the time settings 23.55.20 # it says it;s the year 2080 23.55.26 # and an hour ahead 23.56.42 # darkhelmet: tried the manual?