--- Log for 12.12.107 Server: niven.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 8 days and 15 hours ago 00.00.14 # * scorche|w wonders how much this has to do with rockbox at this point 00.01.11 # hmmmmrmmmm 00.01.44 # scorche|w: nothing at all 00.02.02 # * scorche|w nudges a bit towards #rockbox-community 00.02.26 # its ok, were done 00.05.08 Part jpt9 00.06.21 # the pf scrolling album title looks /very/ weird when it only has to scroll a few pixels, it looks almost as if it bounces 00.07.39 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 00.07.47 # pixelma: any ideas how to improve this? 00.08.14 # (and it actually does bounce ;) 00.09.32 # the bidirectional scroll in the file browser/menus stops for a short while before it starts scrolling into the other direction 00.10.27 # I think that looks better 00.11.03 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 00.11.09 # Why doesn't the plugin just use lcd_puts_scroll()? 00.11.17 # * amiconn would have expected that 00.12.38 # amiconn: because 1) the threaded rendering needs too much workarounds while rendering 2) it does not allow easy fade out 3) it's just 3 lines of code 00.13.01 # fade out? :> 00.13.26 # hey bling to the extreme ;).. the names fade out while scrolling 00.14.19 # and yet are still not alpha blended! 00.14.19 # haha 00.14.32 # gfx overkill flash ;) 00.14.52 # Nm, shouldn't matter to me, I'll probably never try it myself 00.15.52 # preglow: hehe well if lcd_putsxy would do this i would be happy .. 00.16.45 # I'm just toying around with it a bit, as I said it's something to show off but I don't find it handy enough to build my playlists... 00.17.20 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 00.17.26 Join einhirn [0] (n=Miranda@p5B030BFC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 00.17.53 # * amiconn can't be bothered to make tiny BMPs from his (few) album art images just to try something he would never actually use 00.18.18 # pixelma: yeah it has its own purpose.. and generating playlists is probably not the main use case ;) 00.18.26 Join lemur_ [0] (n=lemur@76.89.214.49) 00.18.36 # I rather keep these few images in decent resolution as jpg 00.19.17 # why not both? ;) 00.19.30 # The advantage being? 00.19.39 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 00.19.44 # Nothing for me, but additional work, and diskspace taken 00.19.44 # if you're bored you can flick around ;) 00.20.03 # what's the advantage of keeping the albumart in jpg? 00.20.31 # stripwax: smaller space 00.20.33 # I already made a few to try album art in the WPS. this is what you get for curiosity. But at least I have an opinion that's based on something that I really tried. :) 00.20.55 # Olof - no, I mean, since albumart doesn't support jpg, why keep high-res (or any res) jpgs at all? 00.21.12 # stripwax: have you seen there is now resizing in the pluginlibs? 00.21.17 # to watch it in the jpg viewer? 00.21.21 # stripwax: im using foobar2000 00.21.24 # stripwax: I can display them and zoom in to see the details. And it takes less diskspace 00.21.24 # Nico_P - I'm rebuilding sliding_puzzle as I type :) 00.21.26 # stripwax: there i can view album art 00.21.27 # yep 00.21.29 # cool :) 00.21.43 # stripwax: then i dont want 100x100 bmp, id rather view 500x500jpgs 00.21.46 # but i got both now 00.21.50 # Olof - ok cool. actually my 'what's the advantage' question was originally for amiconn 00.21.51 # doesnt consume much extra space 00.22.05 # oh ok 00.22.18 # Olof - but do you put your 500x500jpgs on your dap? 00.22.32 # stripwax: and smooth resizing is on its way 00.22.35 # stripwax: well i just copy the folders, then i do a *.jpg search and delete them 00.22.48 # Nico_P - awesome! 00.22.50 # Olof - :-D 00.22.58 # stripwax: as i got most in high resolution i can save about 200mb then ^^ 00.23.04 # for fitting more music :D 00.23.14 # stripwax: There's the jpeg viewer - imho it's 100 times more useful to keep album cover images as high-res jpeg than as thumbnail bmp 00.23.17 # heh. amiconn, do you keep the jpgs on your dap? 00.23.22 # ah. 00.23.23 # Yes, a few 00.23.28 Join lemur__ [0] (n=lemur@76.89.214.49) 00.23.38 # i cant see anything negative with keeping both 00.23.44 # bmp's takes 30kb each, thats nothing 00.23.58 # stripwax: you can even view them on the Archoses as jpg (although not when music is playing) :) 00.24.31 Quit stewball`ghost (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.24.47 # amiconn - right, and that's a separate app (at least for the time being), and while I can see the general usefulness of a jpeg viewer, is it useful for viewing albumart? 00.25.12 # Definitely. 00.25.14 # if it's in the code, why not use it.. 00.25.18 # heh, true 00.26.48 Quit ender` (" Some people have one of those days. I've had one of those lives.") 00.27.06 # amiconn - cool then 00.29.20 # Olof - true, although if wps supported jpgs it wouldn't be necessary 00.29.44 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 00.30.27 # http://sse2.net/rb/imlib2-based-scaling.diff here is the first proposal for integrating the smooth scaling into lib/bmp ( @ Nico_P ) 00.30.56 # jott: thanks :) 00.31.04 # stripwax: yea, i would love that feature 00.31.20 # stripwax: but still rockbox is amazing 00.31.29 # stripwax: and smooth scaling ;)... 00.31.31 # so making that small effort to convert em to get all the other features 00.31.36 # its worth it, for me at least 00.32.22 # jott :) 00.32.39 Join J3TC- [0] (n=jetc123@pool-72-76-187-15.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) 00.33.30 # yeah and when you are used to scripting, converting all images you have is a matter of seconds up to a few minutes ;) 00.35.09 Quit lemur (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.35.14 # and there's plenty of other apps to bo that batch conversion too 00.35.32 # ^bo^do 00.35.38 Quit JETC- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.35.39 Quit lemur_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.35.54 Join JETC- [0] (n=jetc123@pool-72-76-187-15.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) 00.36.12 # Batch conversion would require a consistent naming scheme of the source images 00.36.15 # yeah.. actually i wrote a 15 line ruby script to extract the aa embedded into my mp3s and convert/resize it to "album name.bmp".. took a few minutes ;) 00.36.19 Quit animeloe (Remote closed the connection) 00.36.38 # or was it python? .. don't remember.. 00.38.14 # anyway.. everbody is welcome to stress test my scaling patch (to go back ontopic ;-) 00.38.15 # amiconn - something like Album Art Aggregator can download the source images and resize in one go, I think 00.38.58 # jott - I'm rebuilding sliding_puzzle to use the new simple resizing, and then will give your patch a whirl too 00.39.10 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@69.92.201.36) 00.39.41 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 00.39.51 # jott: very nice :) 00.39.59 # yeah you can just drop-in replace simple_resize_bitmap with smooth_resize_bitmap 00.40.31 # yeo 00.40.33 # yep 00.41.55 # jott: maybe it would be worth putting the smooth resize in its own file and make all the provate functions static 00.42.11 # still using bmp.h though 00.42.26 Join TheBiggerGuy [0] (n=chatzill@client-81-107-65-141.bmly.adsl.virgin.net) 00.42.28 Join evilnick [0] (i=18c12df0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-019ea3fbb49aadf2) 00.43.44 Part Olof 00.45.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.47.08 # stripwax: ah, it was the resize that was missing. A few days ago JdGordon asked what was keeping it from committing and I only remembered that there was one open issue... 00.47.56 Quit evilnick ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 00.48.14 # pixelma - right, sliding_puzzle (re)implements bitmap resizing but now that simple_resize_bitmap is in svn I'm switching to that instead 00.50.41 # Does the new sliding_puzzle work for bitmap targets without aa? 00.50.55 # yes 00.51.42 Join Rincewind [0] (i=HhG3Pp4E@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 00.52.44 # For mono targets, it does no more or less than it does today, however. 00.52.49 Join animeloe [0] (n=animeloe@unaffiliated/animeloe) 00.54.06 # Hmm, I didn't check how sliding_puzzle works now, but the mono targets also have read_bmp_file() 00.54.49 # So they could (and imho should) also support loadable puzzle images 00.56.36 Quit Alonea ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.9/2007102514]") 00.57.23 Join evilnick [0] (i=18c12df0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5bec0137073982bf) 00.57.49 # Yep, arguably they could and should. I'll see how straightforward that would be (mono targets wouldn't be able to resize meaningfully, for example). Up to now I've been using the *same* default puzzle bitmap for all targets, in fact, but with the resize changes it makes sense to ship the puzzle bitmap that fits the target without needing resizing 00.58.46 Quit n1s () 00.59.02 Quit scorche|w ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 00.59.22 Part TheBiggerGuy 00.59.51 # Mono targets could also resize, but I don't think that's necessary 01.00.05 # And heck, you could even make it use the grayscale lib 01.00.18 # (hopefully soon the all-new greyscale lib) :) 01.00.25 # amiconn: is smooth scaling useful on non colour targets? 01.02.00 # amiconn - hm.. maybe .. 01.02.40 # grayscale lib couldn't use too many shades though, or the plugin wouldn't be usable during playback on archos 01.02.52 Quit evilnick ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 01.02.57 # greyscale lib will be all-or-nothing in that respect... 01.04.42 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよなら") 01.04.50 # amiconn: have you seen my question above? 01.04.51 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.06.14 Join TheBiggerGuy [0] (n=chatzill@client-81-107-65-141.bmly.adsl.virgin.net) 01.06.44 # Nico_P: Why not? 01.07.02 # Doesn't make sense for *mono* targets as a core function though 01.07.30 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 01.08.21 # amiconn: don't know... I thought maybe with few shades of gray the difference between smooth and nearest neighrbour could be minimal 01.09.02 # There's dithering. And there might be targets with more than 2 bit greyscale 01.09.08 # ok 01.09.25 # Gmini 2xx would have been an example (4 bit greyscale) 01.11.24 # would it make sense to aim towards implementing the smooth resizing directly in the core? 01.13.13 Quit PaulJam (".") 01.14.48 Join saratoga [0] (i=98039da7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5b8b7553c652c331) 01.15.32 # Llorean: around? 01.15.39 # man, these lang files are getting big 01.19.36 Join kugel [0] (i=kugel@unaffiliated/kugel) 01.21.14 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 01.22.39 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 01.23.03 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@EGG-FOUR-SEVENTY-FIVE.MIT.EDU) 01.23.32 # rasher: here? 01.23.57 Quit einhirn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.24.56 Part TheBiggerGuy 01.25.01 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@69.92.201.36) 01.30.11 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよなら") 01.32.04 Join handmadematters [0] (n=handmade@62.174.117.195.dyn.user.ono.com) 01.32.53 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@EGG-FOUR-SEVENTY-FIVE.MIT.EDU) 01.34.23 Quit handmadematters (Client Quit) 01.34.23 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.35.49 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") 01.36.06 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.36.57 Part toffe82 01.38.35 # what's up with all the duplicate SYSFONT entries in the lang files? 01.41.13 # * amiconn wonders whether that's a serious question 01.42.13 # it surely is 01.42.16 # why wouldn't it be? 01.43.10 # Because we already had that question many times... 01.43.40 # They are for screens which use the sysfont, because the sysfont only supports latin1 characters 01.44.08 # we != me 01.44.27 # They can go as soon as all localised screens (i.e. all user screens) are converted/ fixed to work with the user font 01.45.31 # requiring sysfont is nasty :/ 01.45.35 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.45.37 # yup 01.46.00 # But the recording screen still does, and probably others 01.46.42 # (not sure which ones - the more features rockbox gets, the less I am using, at least it seems so) 01.47.25 Quit dan_a (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.47.36 # i'm on a fairly constant level no matter what rockbox has 01.47.44 # i select files in the browser and play them, that's about that 01.48.04 # the recording screen sins bigtime, yes 01.48.05 # Button bar is another example 01.48.10 # rec screen, quickscreen(?) and pitch screen are the last ones i tinhk 01.48.20 # Quickscreens use the user font 01.48.42 # (but are ugly due to layout - need viewports for a nice fix) 01.49.05 # doesnt it fallback on sysfont if it doesnt fit? 01.49.11 # * JdGordon tired and probably wrong 01.51.54 # man, i hate options like "Disable resume on startup if phones unplugged" 01.52.07 # because they're a bitch to translate without using a zilliong words, and because they're bloat 01.57.29 # preglow: awww, poor dear. glad I don't do any translations, though I wouldn't be much help anyway since I am only so so at japanese 02.00.39 # well, it's quite self-inflicted, for some reason i decided to sync a language i never use... 02.03.27 Join ralphy [0] (n=na@137.216.192.220) 02.03.53 # preglow: ^__^. its ok. we can't help it. 02.05.22 # i think most of these headphone options are bloat... 02.06.35 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよなら") 02.07.11 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 02.08.01 Join maraz_ [0] (i=maraz@lakka.kapsi.fi) 02.08.09 Quit maraz (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.11.02 Quit feisar (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.14.13 Join feisar [0] (i=jljhook@noppakerho.com) 02.17.21 # preglow: yeah, pretty much. you would not happen to know if anyone was going to add options for the textviewer to turn off the left and right buttons going to the end or beginning of a document? 02.17.33 Quit Soap (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.18.05 # Alonea: not at all 02.18.09 # preglow: I have accidentally pressed them a bajillion times already, and its a pain to get back where I was. 02.18.15 # amiconn: norsk.lang seems to be badly ordered, any way to fix that? 02.18.28 # preglow: safetydan was saying he thought someone was, but wasn't sure. 02.19.17 # preglow: i've been meaning to possibly make a patch for it, but my knowledge of c is pretty lacking. I might try after finals are over. 02.19.31 Join Soap [0] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 02.20.13 Join iwantanimac [0] (n=iwantani@124-169-12-119.dyn.iinet.net.au) 02.22.48 Join ZeekDaGeek [0] (i=406ef461@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-452c163635d87e75) 02.23.04 # Hey. 02.23.12 # allo ZeekDaGeek 02.23.26 # I got a little problem... 02.24.10 # I installed rockbox a while ago when you use to have to use the command prompt bootloader version 02.24.20 # and now I cant uninstall the bootloader. :\ 02.24.49 # ZeekDaGeek: which player? 02.25.01 # iPod 5th generation. 02.25.26 # I dont want to back date it because I dont have the room on my computer to store anything... 02.25.33 # ZeekDaGeek: ah, sorry. don't know anything at all about ipods. on mine, I just drag a file over. 02.25.35 Quit Seedy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.25.39 # Just wondering if you guys have a file database... 02.25.49 # of your old stuff. 02.25.57 # Archive, thats the word. 02.26.47 # ZeekDaGeek: archive of older bootloaders? I think so. also, you can download older versions of rockbox with svn as well. 02.27.17 # Where would that be at... 02.27.50 # btw, shouldn't "optical output" have on/off instead of yes/no ? 02.28.25 # ZeekDaGeek: try here http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ 02.29.01 # ZeekDaGeek: there is also an archive folder under there too if you look 02.29.40 # ZeekDaGeek: hopefully you will find what you are looking for. 02.30.55 # Thanks :D 02.31.12 # Now for trial and error to find out which one I have. 02.33.14 # Whats the cmd prompt thing to run a file... 02.34.10 # ZeekDaGeek: umm, windows or linux? also can depend on filetype. are you looking for ./file.extension ? 02.34.31 # Windows, ipodpatcher.exe 02.35.06 # ZeekDaGeek: hmm, I though in windows you just typed in ipodpatcher or ipodpatcher.exe while in the directory to load it. 02.35.35 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@65-102-136-41.tukw.qwest.net) 02.36.12 # ZeekDaGeek: its what we did in the ole dos days to load exes 02.36.15 # Not recognized as a command... 02.36.25 # It loads and all when i double click 02.36.32 # but doesnt stay open long enough to read 02.36.47 # ZeekDaGeek: hmm, does it say in the manual how to do this or no? 02.37.20 # I remember last time i just typed the full path somewhere 02.37.26 # then it gave me a bunch of commands 02.37.29 # like -i for install 02.37.31 # and stuff 02.37.40 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 02.38.04 # Ahh 02.38.05 # there we are 02.38.07 # Found it 02.39.07 # ZeekDaGeek: good. 02.40.09 Quit Rincewind ("bye") 02.40.24 Join l7 [0] (n=l7@evil-wire.org) 02.40.26 # Start -> Run -> Path\ipodpatcher.exe if anyone asks. 02.41.52 # ZeekDaGeek: ah, ok. basically same thing as dos. but then in msdos things are reaaaal finicky. 02.42.16 # Yeah i figured i could go into cmd and run it from there... 02.42.23 # But it doesnt like that idea 02.42.52 # and if you just double click it desides that you dont need to keep the window open to type. 02.43.05 Join psycho_maniac [0] (i=psycho_m@ppp423.hk.centurytel.net) 02.43.05 # ZeekDaGeek: figures. bloody msdos...at least run command works 02.43.53 # Now to never get RockBox again untill they fix their battery issues >: 02.44.13 # Basicly the only thing thing that ever turned me off of it :\ 02.44.36 # what player? 02.44.50 # Then reading about them knowing and being like "Oh we havnt even started working on that" 02.44.53 # iPod. 02.45.17 # 5g 30gig. 02.45.23 # Video 02.45.29 # coding for rockbox takes time and they do it as a hobby pretty much. they have lives too. 02.45.32 # I want to get the ipod touch. *drewls* 02.45.54 Quit midkay (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.45.55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.46.09 # Except i think it must have a billion problems with scratches on the screen 02.46.35 # Have you checked flyspray for patches or bugs for your battery problem. 02.47.08 # Flyspray for rockbox problems? 02.47.22 # the patch tracker 02.47.48 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=4 02.48.11 # Nope. 02.48.32 Part pixelma 02.48.40 # by the way. what do you have problems with your battery? 02.49.36 # we've never said we're not even working on the battery issue 02.49.54 # Rock box just drains it faster 02.50.05 # feel free to just sit down and start disassembling the retailos and help us along with fixing it, it's a bloody complex issue when you have no hardware documentation, as you'll discover if you try 02.50.10 # and preglow, it says that you guys know about the problem and arnt even planning on addressing it any time soon 02.50.33 # we know about it, and we have no idea why it happens, because we have no documentation on the hardware 02.50.46 # we basically have to plow through the disassembled code of apple's os to find out what they do, then duplicate that 02.51.04 # it's not something everybody knows how to do, and it's a big job even for those who do 02.51.06 # Defensive. o.o 02.51.20 # yes, since you claim we say we're not even working on it 02.51.35 # Because you say you have no plans on even addressing it right on the website! 02.51.41 # where? 02.51.53 # i have the 5.5g 80gb ipod video and i get pretty good battery life. 02.53.31 # we'd love nothing more than fix the pp502x power issue, so i can't imagine where on the web site it says we have no plans on fixing it 02.53.41 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodStatus 02.53.42 # It said right there 02.53.46 # previously 02.53.49 # when i use to use rock box 02.53.51 # we've already fixed it on 1-3g ipods, newer ones are more complex 02.53.56 # that you guys werent working on the power issues 02.55.12 # i don't see where it says we have no plans on addressing it... 02.55.22 # Perviously it did. 02.55.26 # oh i only got 12 hours on my ipod. i did a battery benchmark 02.55.38 # And thats when i stopped using it 02.55.57 # I got like 6 or 7 hours before :\ 02.56.10 # It would be way low by the end of the day. 02.56.12 # you'll still only get something around that 02.57.02 # Should make it so the screen goes off if after so long and just have it play without displaying anything. 02.57.05 # That'd save power 02.57.15 # that'd save almost nothing 02.57.20 # the lcd uses very little power 02.57.27 # the backlight is what sucks it down, but we've got that covered 02.57.46 # yeah i know that. 02.58.37 # And little power adds up still... and what about all the calculations the cpu needs to do on displaying current proccess persents and stuff... i'm thinking thats where it would save 02.58.55 # the problem is almost certainly that somewhere inside the portalplayer chip, there are some unused components we don't shut down 02.59.03 # but since we don't even know they exist, we can't shut them off 02.59.17 # I got an idea! :D 02.59.27 Quit XavierGr ("One firmware to rule them all!") 02.59.27 # the ipods run the same code as our other targets, and on most other targets, rockbox has better battery life than the default firmware 02.59.30 # *steals psycho's ipod and takes it appart* 03.00.03 # i wouldnt care. i love my gigabeat 03.00.24 # Okay, mail it to the following address.... 03.00.47 # heh 03.01.28 # Hrm. iPod linux is an evil system... trying to format stuff >:O 03.02.33 # Have to make a portal though that way you could have ipod linux, rockbox and default installed then pick between which ever 03.03.45 # So defragged, completely removed rockbox bootloader which seemed to be the source, and cleaned up my ipod... maybe now it'll work faster... 03.04.11 # I really should of cleaned up before i defragged... 03.04.12 # >: 03.06.48 # I'm going to miss rockbox's solitare. ;-; 03.07.07 # Nobody is stopping you from uninstalling it. 03.07.18 # already did. 03.07.20 # :D 03.07.59 # And i think you mean no one is forcing you to uninstall o.o makes more sence in my head atleast. 03.08.20 # heh your right. 03.08.36 Quit ralphy () 03.09.16 Quit thegeek (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.12.30 # There can be only one. *kicks thegeeks peer'd corpse* 03.15.36 Quit iwantanimac ("iMac, out.") 03.17.56 Join tate_ [0] (n=tate@cpe-071-075-145-024.carolina.res.rr.com) 03.19.07 # Hey all, I've got a Sansa E260 that I'm trying to install rockbox on, but the utility can't seem to detect it. 03.19.14 Join ctaylorr [0] (n=ctaylorr@CPE001839ae25b4-CM0011aea4a276.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 03.19.19 # I've tried it in linux and then VISTA 03.19.54 # It definetely works; it powers up when plugged-in to my computers 03.20.03 # so it works. 03.20.50 # haybe its an R series? 03.21.09 # tate_, you might even have a v2 03.21.19 # oh did you select the correct usb setting in the original firmware? 03.22.53 # Did you try jumping up and down and yelling at the device untill it stopped sleeping on the job? 03.23.25 # I think I'll just go, my problem is fixed and my random comments are lame :D 03.24.08 # how do you add a checkmark in a wiki page? 03.24.10 # I tried the two different modes 03.24.20 # There's MTP and the other one 03.24.23 # neither works 03.24.50 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.25.11 # Not knowing much about the structure but I think its a normal Wiki image linked to the checkmark image. 03.27.03 # Oh oh oh 03.27.10 # Wheres the guy i was fighting with... 03.27.44 # prelow: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodStatus?rev=61 -- Quote: " Battery Life Not started" 03.28.11 # Well automatic update tells me to restart so i must obay 03.28.12 Quit l7 ("Lost terminal") 03.28.17 # *walks off zombie like* 03.28.41 Quit ZeekDaGeek ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03.30.50 # tate_, you need to have in MSC mode but that is weird that it does not work 03.31.20 Join DaCapn_ [0] (n=dacapn@c-76-105-220-239.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 03.31.30 Nick DaCapn_ is now known as DaCapn (n=dacapn@c-76-105-220-239.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 03.35.47 Join l7 [0] (n=l7@evil-wire.org) 03.39.45 Join countrymonkey [0] (i=4b05639a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7b899cb046ae0abd) 03.41.03 Join Zibit [0] (n=zibit@c-24-21-87-106.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 03.41.04 # I'm just watching, I am bored, I want to see what you all are up to. 03.43.20 # How come nobody is talking? 03.44.17 # well, we would talk, but your here. *wink* 03.44.53 # Hey, is there a way in which you can get 1 cfg file to be used for 1 dirrectory of files and another to be used in another dirrectory without manually changing them? 03.45.18 # So what if i'm here 03.45.53 Quit HellDragon (Client Quit) 03.46.00 # you mean for like sorting files? 03.46.16 # countrymonkey: just taking the piss hun. sure the chatter will start back up eventually. 03.46.32 # Oh no. I want one cfg file for 1 dir and another cfg file for another dir. 03.47.05 Quit fasmaie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.47.09 Join mister_pink [0] (n=mister_p@host86-140-33-172.range86-140.btcentralplus.com) 03.47.34 # what settings do you want in them? 03.48.33 # mI want shuffle on and play selected first off and crossfade always in my music dirs, and I want all those settings in reverse for my audiobook dirs 03.49.34 # Hi, I've just finished reinstalling my linux setup, run the script to set up my build environment and tried a build to test it and I get loads of errors along the lines of "warning: pointer targets in initialization differ in signedness". Any ideas why? 03.50.38 # the only think i can think of is to make these cfg files WITH JUST THESE settings and save them with # on top and then when you enter that folder click on that to load these settings. 03.51.12 # Thanks. But could this be automatic? 03.52.31 # as of now, no. check the patch tracker. 03.53.02 # countrymonkey: I'm sure it could be, and it's not actually a terrible idea so someone might take it up and write a patch. 03.53.38 # I'm adding a feature request. When I come back from the bathroom. 03.53.43 Join HellDragon [0] (i=jd@unaffiliated/helldragon) 03.53.56 Quit n17ikh|Lappy () 03.54.36 Join karashata [0] (n=Kimi@207.61.208.119) 03.57.33 # More info on my build problem (although I say problem, it does actually build just with a truck load of warnings): the sim builds fine. I'm going to bed now but I'll check the logs in the morning so thanks in advance! 03.57.39 Quit mister_pink ("Leaving") 04.01.18 Join n17ikh|Lappy [0] (n=n17ikh@c-76-23-98-11.hsd1.sc.comcast.net) 04.02.25 # There. I added 8304. 04.08.57 # anybody know the wiki page that show syou how to use images just by doing something like %Y% ? 04.09.01 Quit countrymonkey ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 04.14.20 Quit Alonea ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.9/2007102514]") 04.20.04 Join lemur [0] (n=lemur@76.89.214.49) 04.23.19 Join sarixe [0] (n=sarixe@ool-435403e9.dyn.optonline.net) 04.24.51 Join perrikwp [0] (n=chatzill@74.167.148.160) 04.26.10 Join McEnroe [0] (n=eduard@adsl-68-92-238-92.dsl.elpstx.swbell.net) 04.26.21 # what filesystems does rockbox support? 04.26.30 # FAT32 04.26.37 # only? 04.26.42 # yes 04.26.42 # yes 04.27.00 # and it will NEVER support anything else. 04.27.11 # officially at least 04.27.42 # but not very good, does it? at least windows wants to format my ipod because it can't find a filesystem. linux can't repair it, but at least mount it 04.28.19 # what does that have to do with rockbox? 04.29.27 # because rockbox kills the filesyste, 04.29.41 # no it doesnt 04.29.57 # * karashata has been using Rockbox for several months now and never had *any* issues with file system corruption or the like 04.30.46 # i had this kind of stuff 3 times. once under windows once under linux and once both. i _always_ umounted it correctly 04.31.07 # Rockbox does not kill the filesystem 04.31.43 # i very much doubt a bug like that would show up on only one (that we have heard about) out of thousands of users 04.32.01 # have you run the disk under a diagnostic? 04.32.13 Join H10_007quick [0] (n=chatzill@mnet-ki-244-78-181.monarch.net) 04.32.17 Quit H10_007quick (Client Quit) 04.37.07 Quit lemur__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.37.12 # scorche: like what 04.41.03 # heh, I'd be more inclined to blame windows 04.41.30 # without any evidence it's a mute point 04.42.56 Quit tate_ ("Leaving") 04.45.56 Quit jhulst (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.45.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.46.32 Quit l7 ("Lost terminal") 04.49.21 Quit McEnroe ("leaving") 04.52.54 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 05.03.53 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.04.17 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF5D44.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.14.32 Quit animeloe ("Leaving") 05.15.37 Join lemur_ [0] (n=lemur@76.89.214.49) 05.20.39 Join lemur__ [0] (n=lemur@76.89.214.49) 05.23.55 Join phr_ [0] (n=phr@adsl-75-62-4-229.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) 05.23.58 Quit phr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.26.30 Join animeloe [0] (n=animeloe@unaffiliated/animeloe) 05.29.54 Quit J3TC- (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05.31.38 Quit lemur (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.32.16 Quit lemur_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.33.19 # anybody know a wiki page that has a table with multiple comments in it ? 05.36.02 # i wanna know the best way to put multiple comments on a table 05.39.20 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@207.155.176.3) 05.57.00 Join DaCapn_ [0] (n=dacapn@c-76-105-220-239.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 05.58.58 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 05.59.08 Quit advcomp2019 (Nick collision from services.) 05.59.18 Nick advcomp2019_ is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 06.02.00 Join tkooda [0] (i=goaway@box.wtf.la) 06.02.52 Quit animeloe ("Leaving") 06.03.51 # my F40 w/rockbox appears to be hung and I can't turn it off?? -hitting any buttons wakes up the lcd for a few seconds and lights up the side buttons, but tapping/holding any* of them (or even the "hold" switch) have zero affect?? 06.04.14 # Turn it off with the battery switch? 06.04.25 # (That's on the bottom, by the serial port.) 06.04.56 # aah, yah. success. forgot about that switch. worked. odd though. 06.05.24 Join ptw419 [0] (i=ptw419@cpe-72-179-164-213.satx.res.rr.com) 06.05.24 # What were you doing at the time to cause this? 06.05.51 # I've had it happen on mine occasionaly, but it's pretty rare. 06.05.58 # was in usb mode, and might have unplugged usb before unmounting it 06.06.24 # That might do it. Though, I can't say I've had that problem. 06.07.27 Quit DaCapn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.07.28 Nick DaCapn_ is now known as DaCapn (n=dacapn@c-76-105-220-239.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 06.10.37 # thanks.. later 06.10.51 Part tkooda ("thank you for a great product") 06.11.05 Quit psycho_maniac (" bye") 06.12.27 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 06.12.51 Quit advcomp2019 (Nick collision from services.) 06.12.55 Nick advcomp2019_ is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 06.13.34 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 06.15.37 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 06.15.47 Quit advcomp2019 (Nick collision from services.) 06.15.57 Nick advcomp2019_ is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 06.16.07 Join ptw [0] (i=ptw419@cpe-72-179-164-213.satx.res.rr.com) 06.18.08 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 06.31.08 Quit ptw419 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.35.31 Quit advcomp2019 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.36.21 Quit advcomp2019_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.39.12 Join animeloe [0] (n=animeloe@unaffiliated/animeloe) 06.42.22 Quit ptw () 06.43.07 Join advcomp2019 [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 06.45.15 Quit animeloe ("Leaving") 06.45.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.47.38 Join ptw419 [0] (i=ptw419@cpe-72-179-164-213.satx.res.rr.com) 06.48.05 Join animeloe [0] (n=animeloe@unaffiliated/animeloe) 06.57.24 Join ptw [0] (i=ptw419@cpe-72-179-164-213.satx.res.rr.com) 07.00.11 Quit sarixe ("(EE) Failed to load "quit" module") 07.03.07 Join pezz [0] (n=stan@74.12.147.188) 07.03.39 # hey. i was wondering if the ipod nano version had a sleep timer feature 07.04.39 # I don't know, I don't have an iPod. However, I'm of the impression that it does. But I'm probably wrong. Check the manual, I would assume that information could be found in there. 07.05.19 # Would it be a plugin? 07.05.44 # I have no idea on that one at all... Sorry. 07.06.02 # Personally, I'd assume it'd be in the settings somewhere, but I really don't know. 07.06.25 # pezz: it does have that feature 07.06.32 Join Siku [0] (i=Siku@e81-197-68-206.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 07.06.33 # Actually thanks I found it 07.06.53 # Yay. (@ pezz finding it, and me being right that it does have that feature.) 07.07.35 # I thought it was called something else. But thanks for directing me to the manual. 07.08.21 # Now I could go to sleep worryfree. Good night! 07.08.23 Join daurn|iphone [0] (n=daurn@144.135.254.162) 07.08.27 Quit pezz ("Rockbox rox") 07.13.17 # where in the trunk is sendfirm.c for the gigabeat S? 07.13.58 Quit ptw419 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.14.58 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 07.15.10 # ptw: check the commits 4 weeks back? 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How can i get it on? 10.01.53 # karl__: the rockbox plugin is called "bubbles" 10.02.05 # ahh 10.02.08 # thanks a bunch 10.02.12 # i guess i just skipped over it 10.02.14 # seeing it now 10.03.36 Join phr__ [0] (n=phr@adsl-75-62-4-229.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) 10.03.54 # i appreciate the help 10.09.20 Quit Llorean (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.10.31 Quit phr_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.12.06 Nick phr__ is now known as phr (n=phr@adsl-75-62-4-229.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) 10.12.59 Join safetydan [0] (n=safetyda@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 10.15.40 # does anyone know if the sansa c240 is supposed to automatically recharge (with the stock firmware, i haven't loaded rockbox yet) when i plug it into a powered usb port with no computer at the other end? 10.18.07 # it should if it normally charges via usb 10.18.13 # having a computer at the other end doesn't matter 10.18.21 # as long as the power is flowing 10.19.03 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 10.19.35 # hmm, i let it "charge" overnight and the battery meter is still at 1 bar 10.20.13 Quit homielowe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.20.30 # you're sure the port is powered? 10.21.02 # have any usb toys you can plug in to test it, like a light or something? 10.21.14 # yeah, when i plug it in the screen lights up, and if the player is turned on when i plug it in, the battery icon starts pulsing up and down indicating that the thing is charging 10.21.23 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 10.21.27 # bad battery maybe 10.21.27 # i don't have any other usb gadgets 10.21.36 # it is definitely charging 10.21.37 Join homielowe [0] (n=chatzill@d207-81-67-190.bchsia.telus.net) 10.21.39 # your battery might be bad 10.22.07 # possibly bad battery, i just got the player as a refurb, is it likely they don't test or replace the battery when they refurbish? 10.22.26 # i don't refurbish them myself, but i would say that there is a good chance 10.22.28 # i bought 3 of the players (16 usd each) so i guess i'll open another one and try it 10.22.35 # give it a go 10.22.36 # i just hate lithium rechargeable batteries 10.22.48 # i haven't used them much 10.23.01 # i've had good luck so far 10.23.07 # i hope there's an m200 rockbox port soon and that they make an 8 or 16 meg m200, it's my favorite player from a hardware point of view 10.23.17 # if you have a warranty i would return it 10.23.34 # ports to new targets only happen when people that own the hardware choose to do a port 10.23.35 # well i'll try a different c240 10.23.45 # or just let the battery die and ship it back saying it won't stay on for more than a few minutes 10.23.52 # godeater, yeah, it looks like there's some active work being done on the m200 10.24.29 # actually my other favorite player is the completely obscure frontier lab nex 3, but i gave mine to someone, i'd have to buy another one before i could try a port 10.24.30 # what brand is that? I'm only seeing sony protoges 10.24.39 # which, frontier lab? 10.24.47 # m200 10.24.50 # sansa 10.24.52 # sandisk 10.24.55 # great little player 10.25.13 # the frontier labs one is minidisc or mp3? 10.25.24 # ah 10.25.25 # frontier labs = mp3 10.25.25 # i see it 10.25.28 # little orb thing 10.25.33 # which? 10.25.38 # http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Sandisk-Sansa-m260-4GB-Expandable-MP3-Player/2589221/product.html?cid=25608&fp=F 10.25.39 # the nex 3 10.25.41 # that's the m260 10.25.46 # nex3 looks like a belt pager, sort of 10.25.56 # yeah, that's what i meant 10.25.57 # ahh 10.26.06 # a neighbor of mine has that one 10.26.11 # we have a problem with it 10.26.12 # it's way underrated 10.26.19 # i'd love to run RB on it 10.26.31 # the firmware they ship with it isn't so great, i guess 10.26.34 # you open the directory and it says there isnt enough space to open the directory 10.26.43 # barf! i never saw that happen when i had one 10.26.44 # says it needs 4mb free 10.26.50 # even though there is nothing on it 10.26.57 # weird 10.26.58 # i haven't fiddled with it much 10.27.03 # try reformatting or something 10.27.04 # possible i could reformat it and solve issues 10.27.04 # yeah 10.29.02 # here's my big rant about mp3 player hardware 10.29.03 # http://forums.neurostechnology.com/index.php?topic=7189.msg39414#msg39414 10.30.51 # not in the mood now, but thanks 10.32.14 # np :) 10.33.12 Quit mrkiko (Remote closed the connection) 10.34.00 # I thoroughly disagree with your battery sentiments. 10.34.49 # oh? 10.35.02 # please offer your opinion then 10.35.14 # and noise cancellation too 10.35.30 # AA/AAA batteries are only nice if you don't care about size 10.35.35 # I'm not interested in having to swap the batteries out ever. Li-Ion is a perfectly good solution. 10.35.43 # and noise cancellation is just rubbish. 10.35.58 # i use noise cancellation headphones all day at the office, i couldn't live without them 10.36.01 # get decent earbud headphones with around 15dB of isolation and it's WAY better 10.36.14 # uh oh 10.36.14 # in the old archos units, AA cells made perfect sense. they were so bulky anyway. but for newer smaller players, it's impossible. 10.36.16 # headphone wars 10.36.20 # and li ion is great if you want to throw out your player once your battery stops holding a charge, like mine the first day i got the player :) 10.36.26 # zagor, the m200 is smaller than the c240 10.36.31 # Zagor: the iriver AA models work great 10.36.32 # or at least weighs less 10.36.32 # don't be daft - get a new Li-Ion battery 10.36.44 # my iRiver's lasted for two years, and then I got a new one. 10.36.44 # weren't you saying you don't want to swap them out? 10.36.46 # small enough 10.36.55 # not every other day no 10.37.01 # I don't mind doing it once every two years 10.37.17 # the old archos units blew 10.37.30 # just die out half way through a song 10.37.33 # took all night to charge 10.37.48 # good for the time 10.37.55 # but thumbs down 10.38.03 # shrug. i swap out my m200 battery about once a week, don't see what the big deal is. i have a 4-pack of them on my desk (nimh) and eventually get around to taking the flat ones home to recharge 10.38.11 # karl__: I still use my archos every day 10.38.24 # Zagor: which model? 10.38.30 # rec20 10.38.33 # yeah, the archos is pretty useless by today's standards 10.38.37 # rec20 is the one you want 10.38.44 # phr: you're saying (in that post) that having it use AA batteries is the killer feature - I'm just saying I disagree with you, and wouldn't buy a player like that. 10.39.12 # i had the studio i think 10.39.56 # godeater, sure, i understand there's lots of folks out there who don't understand that simple truth, i've given up on trying to convince them, i just don't see why anyone likes lithium. it's just awful. it's perfectly ok to build a nimh charger into a player to charge internally, if you don't want to swap the cell out in order to charge it. 10.40.07 # i really liked my iriver h100 but the headphone jack only works in one channel unless i press down on the jack, and the line out is noisy 10.40.32 # phr: it's not a "truth", it's your opinion. 10.40.36 # if people require "convincing" then it's not a simple truth - it's simply your opinion 10.40.45 # heh - beat me to it Zagor 10.41.12 # i liked my little iriver 10.42.01 # I have a set of sennheiser in-ear isolating earphones. best investment for public transport music listening I've ever made. 10.42.09 # Shaid: me too 10.42.37 # and mine are the cheap ones that Sennheiser do too - only around 10dB isolation 10.42.41 # noise isolation + not looking like a cyberman = win 10.42.47 # yep 10.43.18 # I tried out Febs uber Shure ear buds and the isolation on those was fantastic 10.43.33 # couldn't hear a damn thing from the outside world, even with the music off! 10.43.44 # aa powered 10.43.44 # great battery life 10.43.44 # light weight 10.43.44 DBUG Enqueued KICK karl__ 10.43.44 # i don't have money to spend on the ipods 10.43.44 # as far as smaller lithium players 10.43.44 # shrug 10.43.44 # godeater what don't you like about the m200? have you used one? 10.43.44 # karl, the m200 is smaller/lighter than the c240 and the ipod nano. it's bigger than the shuffle but the shuffle has no display, no ui etc. 10.43.44 *** Alert Mode level 1 10.43.44 # phr: i've held one 10.43.44 *** Alert Mode level 2 10.43.44 # the nano plays video. 10.43.44 DBUG Enqueued KICK phr 10.43.44 # i just haven't felt any desire to make the m200 smaller and i'd be perfectly happy with it if it were slightly bigger 10.43.50 # woa 10.43.51 # if i want to watch video i'll buy a tv set 10.43.52 # not sure I'm about to drop $500 on earphones though 10.43.53 # i must be lagged 10.43.57 # funny 10.44.02 # I think one of the servers is lagged 10.44.07 # phr: where did I say I didn't like the m200 ? 10.44.13 # i connected to mesra.kl.my.dal.net 10.44.15 # er 10.44.16 # not 10.44.26 # cause this is freenode durr 10.44.46 # what are the biggest AAA batteries these days? 1150mAh? 10.45.27 # aren't all those AA/AAA batteries still using NiCad ? 10.45.28 # zagor i dunno, probably more like 1000, i'm using 800 mah eneloops and they run the player for dunno, 12+ hours at least 10.45.30 # nimh 10.45.35 # i.e. suffer from memory effects ? 10.45.36 # that's 1.72 Wh. the stock sansa c240 battery is 2.0 Wh, with replacements available at 2.4 Wh 10.45.59 # yeah, replacements at 20 bucks each vs replacement aaa nimh at 2 bucks each 10.46.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.46.20 # i think the lithium is probably cheaper 10.46.31 # how often do you have to replace a lithium? 10.46.40 # well it sounds like i need a replacement right now... 10.46.52 # karl__: see above - 2 years for me 10.46.53 # and this is with a player i bought last week 10.46.58 # karl__: i've never replaced any of my lithiums 10.47.13 # Zagor: i've never had to replace them in my jukebox players 10.47.22 # i also need replacement lithiums for each of my 2 cell phones, and for my laptop 10.47.27 # lithium just sucks 10.47.32 # karl__: I have 10.47.45 # those original green ones don't last forever 10.47.47 # i've only used one frequently for about two years though 10.47.49 # ahh yeah 10.47.50 # in the archos 10.47.57 # i bought mine on ebay and it came with extras 10.47.59 # also i had a compaq pda, and the internal lithium crapped out about a month after i bought it 10.48.13 # phr: i think you just have a bad track record 10.48.35 Ctcp Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 10.48.35 # * markun thinks the same 10.48.39 # buying stuff and it just dies on you 10.48.39 # and i had a canon digicam that i gave away after replacing the lithium cell for about the 3rd or 4th time at 15+ bucks a pop. i replaced it wiht an AA powered model 10.48.59 # and every other cell phone i've had over the years also ate batteries 10.49.03 # in summary, replacement cost isn't an issue because neither type requires replacement within the first several years. which is about as long as 90% of people keep one player anyway. 10.49.12 # yep 10.49.16 # 1 week = several years??? 10.49.22 # phr: yes 10.49.24 # my c240 already needs a replacement 10.49.30 # it's a trick with quantum theory 10.49.33 # you're citing only your own experience here 10.49.33 # hehe 10.49.40 # 90% of uses don't have your issues 10.49.41 # well in my experience, lithium sucks 10.49.47 # you're one person 10.49.50 # phr: oh for hecks sake, you got a dud. get over it. 10.49.52 # 90% of users throw away their players when the battery dies 10.49.59 # phr: it's pretty cool if you throw it in water though 10.49.59 # phr: what lasts several years for normal people lasts about 1 week (or at most a few months) for you 10.50.04 # you already said it was a refurb anyway 10.50.05 # phr: no, they throw it away before the battery dies 10.50.19 # because they bought a new shiny toy instead 10.50.27 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3048.gwdg.de) 10.50.31 # I'm more familiar with hand-me-down players 10.50.35 # vs dumpster 10.51.05 # why should anyone have to buy a new mp3 player once they have one that works? it's not like a laptop where there's serious technical advances. my sony cassette recorder from the 1980's is just as good as the ones they make now 10.51.23 # my headphone jack is dying on an iriver 10.51.31 # it's not about "having" to - it's about "wanting" to 10.51.32 # if you have a hard drive player, it is a working part 10.51.33 # phr: what world are you living in? 10.51.46 # if you have a flash player, flash goes bad after so many writes 10.51.47 # I dunno, does it take those 'newfangled' metal cassettes? 10.51.53 # karl, yeah, flash is a huge advance over hard drives 10.52.03 # shaid, yeah the tc-d5m uses metal 10.52.03 # still wears thin 10.52.14 # karl, the nex 3 uses an SD card that's why it's my favorite 10.52.25 # that's kinda cool 10.52.28 # though nobody is likely to ever overwrite flash in an mp3 player millions of times 10.52.51 # ... because the battery dies, right? 10.53.22 # zing 10.53.27 # karl the nex 3 is practically perfect, it uses one AAA cell and an SD card, its only probs are sucky firmware and inability to use SDHC. but both of those can be fixed with rockbox 10.53.45 *** Alert Mode OFF 10.53.58 # phr: do you think there are enough users interested to work on a rockbox port? 10.54.10 # do you know what's inside? ARM? 10.54.20 # karl, no really, i mean i don't write stuff on my m200 very often, i listen to the stuff that's on it and once in a while delete old stuff and add new stuff. and if it had more flash i'd just add stuff instead of deleting 10.54.28 # I'm also not interested in flash as storage until I can get upwards of 50GB of storage 10.54.33 # markun, i think it has an arm inside. afaik nobody is really interested in it except me 10.54.49 # GodEater: for sure 10.54.57 # godeater, there are 32gb sdhc cards announced, to be available in a few months. two of them and you've got 64gb 10.55.13 # makes nice boot disks though 10.55.29 # i sort of think of getting a nokia n800 on closeout (it has two sdhc slots) 10.56.08 # markun, i have a nexblack now (frontier's bigger and clunkier player) so i might open it up and take some photos 10.56.19 # nokia e70 is where it is at 10.56.22 # e70? 10.56.27 # for sure 10.56.43 # phr: Sure - and how much is that going to cost me ? 10.56.50 # for me "why should anyone have to buy a new mp3 player once they have one that works?" also applies to phones 10.56.51 # which, the nex3? 10.57.03 # i haven't found a phone i really like 10.57.05 # the 2x 32gb sdhc cards. 10.57.18 # * markun likes his nokia 1100 10.57.19 # ...i guess i need something like rockbox for my phone 10.57.21 # markun, yes, i liked my old nokia 5185 just fine but lost it 10.57.41 Join Llorean [0] (n=DarkkOne@cpe-70-113-103-34.austin.res.rr.com) 10.57.41 # shaid, 16gb sdhc cards are about 135 bucks right now 10.57.41 # software/firmware on phones sucks 10.57.48 # so about 8 bucks/gb 10.57.48 # hopefully android will be slick 10.57.57 # 64gb will set you back about as much as an iphone 10.58.10 # and it will keep getting cheaper 10.58.18 # for audio i'm satisfied with 16gb for the time being 10.58.18 # or a really crappy car 10.58.51 # you ever see that iphone vs nokia review? i think it's that same nokia phone 10.58.57 # yeah 10.58.58 # maddox 10.59.02 # on thebestpageintheuniver 10.59.06 # yeah that guy 10.59.13 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 11.00.27 # i still have an old motorola flip phone in my drawer 11.00.35 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet20.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 11.00.42 # GodEater_: toshiba plans mass production of 32-128GB 1.8" flash drives in may 2008. http://www.toshiba.co.jp/about/press/2007_12/pr1001.htm 11.00.50 # kewl 11.01.14 # mlc? sheesh 11.01.27 # probably not cheap though :) 11.02.00 # yeah, they're charging more for those things since they're considered high end 11.02.09 # but using MLC sort of defeats the purpose 11.03.05 # you prefer SLC? 11.03.06 # * GodEater_ is none the wiser. I have no idea how much an iphone costs 11.03.24 # SLC=fast and expensive, MLC=slow and cheap 11.03.32 # if you want slow and cheap, use a hard drive :) 11.03.38 # for audio players MLC is fine 11.03.42 # or MLC 11.03.45 # slow is relative 11.03.54 # it's still a heck of a lot faster than a harddrive 11.04.02 # phr: what's the advantage of a HDD over MLC? 11.04.12 # price 11.04.14 # cost ? :) 11.04.16 # faster transfer rates and cheaper 11.04.21 # MLC has quite slow transfer rates 11.04.55 # i broke down and bought an SLC pen drive and it's at least 5x faster than the MLC one that i used to have 11.05.10 # but i'm mostly interested in SSD's for servers 11.05.18 # and the idea there is to get max speed 11.05.18 # * GodEater_ wonders why this super speed is so important 11.05.31 Quit Siku (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 11.05.36 # well for audio it's not important and mlc is great 11.05.40 # presumably you're copying content from a hard drive somewhere - which will limit the speed of the data arriving in the first place 11.06.05 # you're going to get choked there or at the bus 11.06.07 # godeater, flash is MUCH SLOWER than hd for data transfer 11.06.14 # phr: the idea is to get a floppy the size of your fingernail for pocket change. speed is very distant second. 11.06.18 # it's faster at seeking (it has no seek delay) 11.06.41 # most of the data I use is on a network anyway - which is slower still 11.06.58 # zagor, the main ssd application up til recently has been to replace the hard drives in high-end servers in order to get rid of the seek delay 11.07.12 # * GodEater_ wonders who uses such servers 11.07.21 # phr: again, what world are you living in? 11.07.32 # ssd drives tend to not be good in servers 11.07.41 # they write too much 11.07.43 # I've never heard of such a thing, and we have some pretty high end toys here 11.08.28 # bagder, see this page http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/09/20/conventional_hard_drive_obsoletism/page7.html 11.08.30 # * markun turned 28 today and feels old 11.08.35 Join Siku [0] (i=Siku@e81-197-68-206.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 11.08.38 # markun: get real :) 11.08.41 # markun: congratulations! 11.08.51 # yes, nothing compared to you guys ;) 11.08.54 # * GodEater_ passes virtual beer around 11.09.15 # GodEater_: I'll save some for after (or during the last part) of work :) 11.09.32 # phr: well, several tests have shown server-use to not gain from ssd 11.09.32 # phr: that page doesn't show real world usage though - no-one would be mad enough to run a production web server on such a system 11.09.51 # well i may be trying it soon :) 11.09.55 # and the database tests there agree with me ;-) 11.10.04 # not that it matters 11.10.30 # yeah, the sata version of that drive is supposed to be even faster 11.10.34 # * Bagder returns to poking code 11.10.41 # and there are some much more expensive ones that are supposedly faster still 11.11.48 # anyway at least for my application (search engine) there's a tremendous read seek load and not too much writing, so the ssd seems very promising and i definitely want to try one 11.13.02 # the read and write speeds of Toshiba large block MLC NAND are 13.55 MB/s and 2.5 MB/s, respectively -- http://www.toshiba.com/taec/news/press_releases/2004/to-420_2.jsp 11.13.04 # also until recently, ssd's have been made from ram, rather than flash 11.13.25 # zagor, maybe with enough parallel mlc chips they can compete with hd's 11.13.33 # i.e. more than usb2 speed. so your thumbdrive experience is rather due to controller differences rather than mlc/slc 11.13.53 # zagor 2.5MB/s is way slower than usb2 speed 11.14.02 # that's writing 11.14.19 # nobody ever said writing flash was fast 11.14.20 # yeah, writing is where my older pen drive was pathetic 11.14.27 # zagor, the new one i got is fast :) 11.14.59 # everything is relative 11.15.10 # well, it's 5x faster than the old one 11.15.14 # maybe more than 5x 11.15.27 # the point we started with is, OF COURSE the 128GB disk is mlc. anything else would be silly. 11.15.27 # but still much slower than a hd 11.15.38 # what's silly about 128gb of slc? 11.15.42 # the cost 11.16.01 # 128gb of slc would cost less than 2k today 11.16.18 # yeah, and that's silly 11.16.36 # mlc would be maybe half that 11.17.21 # these ssd's are way overpriced because of their exoticness is all i can guess 11.17.30 # but a 128k drive retails for around 4k 11.17.33 # now THAT's silly 11.17.41 # oops 128gb 11.17.59 # http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820609245 11.18.03 # well it's not like it's a huge market 11.18.07 # 3.3k 11.18.35 # yeah, i have a 16gb CF card with an ide adapter that i haven't gotten around to trying in a server 11.18.46 # but it was around 220 bucks iirc 11.18.54 # and that was around 6 months ago 11.19.36 # don't you max out your ide bus? 11.19.39 # so what is the point? 11.19.54 # no i think the xfer speed will still be much slower than a hard drive 11.20.00 # the idea is to get rid of seek latency 11.20.35 # ah 11.20.44 # what kind of servers are you deploying these in? 11.20.50 # search engine 11.21.03 # ah 11.21.07 # makes more sense 11.22.12 # yeah, for general purpose file storage the cost is ridiculous 11.25.02 Join Casainho [0] (n=chatzill@81.193.31.111) 11.25.22 # re mp3 players, one nice thing about the nexblack is it has a fairly powerful analog output stage with good sound. i dunno if the nex 3 really compares 11.25.24 # ide bus? in a server?? 11.25.40 # amiconn yeah, most boards still have ide connectors 11.25.43 # well, fsb 11.25.47 # depending 11.26.19 # i'd only be using the cf card to experiment with. if it works then my boss would probably buy some sata ssd's 11.27.21 # http://www.rawimages.org/stuff/harddisk.jpg :-) 11.27.21 # i'm reading the woot thread about headphones and all these nerds are praising the 1980's era sony mdr-v6 which is funny because i have one of those on my desk too 11.27.34 # hahahaha 11.31.03 # http://www.tebbo.com/pix/thelastone/TLO01.html 11.35.05 Quit karl__ (Remote closed the connection) 11.36.18 # so has anyone here actually worked on porting rb to a new player? i'm interested in the nex 3 but don't have a clue how i'd get started 11.38.23 # do you know what platform the nex3 is using 11.38.29 # like portalplayer or so 11.39.14 # ave, i don't know, i gave away my nex3 but am now thinking of buying another one. i do have the impression it's an arm core of some sort 11.39.30 # pp has arm core afaik 11.39.38 # but.. 11.42.33 # ? 11.42.45 Nick j0tt is now known as jott (n=j@unaffiliated/jott) 11.43.51 # hah, ipod nano spies on you 11.43.52 # If you enhance your workout with the new Nike+ iPod Sport Kit, you may be making yourself a surveillance target. 11.44.01 Join webguest03 [0] (i=d9e1f8c7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ac38c0c3e7d71cb6) 11.45.29 # anyone with a H120 and H140 here ?, are the tiny screws which secure the side panels identical on both models ? 11.45.30 # stupid(?) question: how to i add a "Related task" to a tracker entry? (The tab just shows a "Remove" button but no "Add" button) 11.48.08 Quit ptw (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.49.40 # jott: ah you may not have the right to 11.49.53 # I'll do it 11.50.00 # 8308 -> 5697 11.50.12 # thanks :) 11.50.15 # info about the screws would be much appreciated and I do apologise for the OT'ishness 11.51.48 Quit axionix (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.55.02 # Nico_P: thanks too :) 11.56.09 # webguest03: the only difference between h120 and h140 is the hdd and the size of the back panel 11.56.24 # (afaik) 11.57.33 Join axionix [0] (n=axion@cpe-74-70-239-192.nycap.res.rr.com) 12.00.36 # thank you petur 12.00.45 Part webguest03 12.13.00 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 12.15.49 Join safetydan_ [0] (n=safetyda@C-59-100-38-233.for.connect.net.au) 12.16.09 Quit safetydan (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.18.19 Quit safetydan_ (Client Quit) 12.22.32 # does anybody know if building the Gigabeat S bootloader produces an nk.bin file which is ready to be transferred, or whether is still needs processing with mknkboot ? 12.22.41 Join Casainho_ [0] (n=chatzill@81.193.28.85) 12.23.00 Join fasmaie [0] (n=yohann@c-24-60-113-125.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 12.23.34 Join TMM [0] (n=hp@ip5650d1ab.direct-adsl.nl) 12.30.58 # Casainho_: from RockBoxPlayer: "... for lossy audio decoders like FLAC, ..." 12.31.10 # yes? 12.31.23 # what worng? 12.31.26 Join mrkiko [0] (n=mrkiko@host169-98-static.34-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it) 12.31.29 # FLAC is not lossy 12.32.22 # I also find the "ARM9 development boards are expensive" funny since I really don't think so 12.32.26 # ah, okok :-) - can you rectifyu that? 12.32.46 # it all of course depends on your personal view of what expensive is 12.32.47 # Bagder: can you say a price of one? 12.32.56 # What will SPI be used for? 12.33.01 # well, I was comparing with $90 12.33.12 # 90 is dirt cheap 12.33.21 # I consider everything up to 500 cheap 12.33.27 # roughly 12.34.31 # sorry, I live in Portugal, I have very low budget... 12.34.31 # Casainho_: do you know this project? http://www.lartmaker.nl/ 12.37.22 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b9b41.ucd.ie) 12.37.27 # Casainho: a player doesn't _need_ RTC 12.38.01 # if your aiming for low cost, you should leave that out I guess 12.38.22 # Or put it in a nice-to-have list 12.39.18 # Bagder: does FLAC require 32MB or RAM? Also just nice to have for battery time, right? 12.39.28 # or even make a list for a high-end player as a comparison... 12.39.35 # FLAC hardly requires 32mb 12.40.08 # afaiu, Casainho aims for a flash player and then I suppose a player can have less memory without much badness happening 12.40.34 # With a flash player, Rockbox ought to be able to get by with <4MB of RAM right? 12.40.45 # I know that the compressed buffer is often >28 12.40.46 # I didn't say flac needs 32 mb, that's not correct in the page 12.41.19 # What is the name of the player having the most big capacity, hard-disk based and available again on the market supported by rockbox 12.41.24 # the page also mentions "usb hard disk" which is confusing to me 12.41.25 # ? 12.41.32 Quit Casainho (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.41.45 # mrkiko: available as in manufactured still? 12.41.50 # is there any? 12.42.00 # yes, manifactured... 12.42.14 # There's not one, then 12.42.26 # is there a single rockbox-target still being made? 12.42.29 # Currently all known Rockbox targets aren't being manufactured. 12.42.38 # The v2s phased out the last of them with the Sansas 12.43.36 # iPod videos are being made again... 12.43.45 # are they? 12.43.48 # really? 12.44.06 # * Bagder detects that the "RockBoxPlayer" lacks NOR flash 12.44.09 # mrkiko: do you have any proof for this? 12.44.20 # Bagder: it's a wiki :P 12.44.26 # yeah 12.44.56 # markun: ... I was thinking what player I will buy when my iRiver will leave me - I hope this will nver happen 12.45.32 # mrkiko: I was talking about proof that the ipod video is being made again 12.45.57 # mhm... 12.46.05 # I don't know the meaning of "proof" 12.46.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.46.14 # evindence 12.46.22 # all we know is that the ipod classic is made 12.46.29 # No: it's a supposition. I can find it in many shops here... 12.46.50 # many of these players can still be found in shops... 12.47.11 # markun: so I edited it ;-) 12.47.32 # mh... it's a sad thing ... 12.47.57 # also, the ipod classic is easily confused with the ipod video 12.48.17 # a lot of people keep thinking that the classic is a video, and wondering why Rockbox does not work on it 12.49.01 # * pondlife wonders why the H300 Cabbie 2 theme zip contains several "thumbs.db" 12.49.05 # Bagder: is the SPI controller used tot talk to the flash memory? 12.49.17 # pondlife: because the author wasn't careful when he zipped it ? 12.49.25 # Indeed. 12.49.30 # markun: yes, for the 8MB serial flash 12.49.42 # there's also a 8MB parallell flash on that dev board it seems 12.50.14 # Bagder: but that's not needed in a MP3 player, is it? 12.50.22 # at least not both I would think 12.50.27 # not at all 12.50.42 # it would only need some for the bootloader 12.51.30 # I believe the biggest ones in our existing targets have 4MB 12.51.31 Quit axionix (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.53.14 # the Gigabeat has 1MB 12.53.58 # h300 has 4MB 12.55.20 # hmm 12.55.23 # I must be stupid 12.55.40 # I can't make Nico's "dual boot" feature on the Gigabeat S work 12.57.15 Join axionix [0] (n=axion@cpe-74-70-239-192.nycap.res.rr.com) 12.59.41 # could someone tell me how to automatically reorder a lang file to be correct in comparison to english.lang? :/ 12.59.47 # or doesn't it matter? 12.59.53 # it doesn't matter 13.01.14 # i wonder how it ended up so randomly ordered it the first place 13.01.24 # Hmm, just hard-locked my H300 by skipping backwards :/ I'll see if I can repro. 13.01.41 # preglow: we reordered english.lang but not the others 13.04.47 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 13.05.25 # preglow: reordered by langV2 13.06.07 # Why don't we have a default viewer for bmp files? rockpaint, at least..? 13.07.28 # the problem is that genlang doesn't mark differences in the dest and voice part (at least not if "featerexyz:" is missing and it's hard to find all differences if the order is not the same as in english.lang 13.08.02 Quit mrkiko (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.08.06 # we should probably switch to rasher's xml-based thing and then fix that bug 13.10.11 Quit axionix (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.10.28 # yes indeed 13.10.42 # i did my yesterday sync with his webtool 13.10.46 # cool thing, made it quicker too 13.10.55 # i definitely think tools are the way to go for lang files in the future 13.11.36 # I agree 13.12.12 # much easier to pick up differences that way, even subtle ones, and the editing itself is much, much quicker 13.12.33 # does it support saving half-baked works? 13.13.05 # a friend told me about a BGA socket they are using in their project. A shame they are so expensive. 13.13.19 # i think it does, it just gives you a patch when you say you're done 13.13.53 # bga socket is kind of a fun oxymoron ;-) 13.14.01 # http://www.chipscalereview.com/issues/0403/f2_01.php 13.14.37 # but they use this one: http://www.ironwoodelectronics.com/catalog/Process/GHz_BGA_Sockets.html 13.17.01 # in my projects, they just nail the bga there and then you live with it ;-) 13.17.11 Join dex [0] (i=5b014fa0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-be4ca57c3f796f95) 13.17.21 # :) 13.17.51 # the joy of being sw-guy: you get to whine on the hw 13.18.00 # lol 13.19.07 # hi, is there a need to buy expensive hardware to port rockbox (besides a computer and the target)? do i need a development kit? 13.19.30 # dex: it totally depends on your target, but most often you just download free software and use that 13.19.43 # dex: you most often only need a target device 13.21.46 # no need for JTAG? 13.22.22 # not always 13.22.43 # we have only used jtag for 2 targets, to my knowledge 13.25.56 # amiconn: You were saying how unstable the current playback engine is, and I think I agree with you. Do you have any reproducible crash recipes? 13.27.36 # Coldfire freezes a lot, even without playback 13.27.48 # I'm on H300, so that fits. 13.28.02 # I suspect dircache. 13.28.11 # I got at least 5 freezes during the last few days, just by browsing the menu or plugins etc 13.28.20 # Voice enabled at all? 13.28.25 # yes 13.28.25 # I don't... 13.28.30 Join DefineByte [0] (n=defineby@bb-87-81-195-5.ukonline.co.uk) 13.28.54 # Voiced menus + dirnames incl. talk clips 13.28.55 # But no reproducible method, just random hard locks? 13.29.00 # yes 13.29.11 # Ah, .talk clips are known broken, no? 13.29.15 # Paperclip required on irivers 13.29.23 # Yes, that's what I see 13.29.26 # But no voice enabled 13.29.30 # No, they are working fine 13.29.36 # same on my M5 13.29.55 # Hmm, I thought you said you had a reliable lock-up using .talk on PP 13.30.04 # * pondlife is probably out-of-date though 13.30.08 # regarding the manual: can someone clarify what \index{foo} is used for. Is it merely what the index will use as a heading for that section? 13.30.34 # but I only recently started using .talk clips (on M5). I wonder if that's related... 13.31.02 # Atm I don't use non-cf swcodec enough to know whether random freezes happen there too 13.31.09 # I wonder if http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6239 helps? 13.31.14 # PP5002 is broken, but that's a different problem 13.32.17 # i use my x5 regularly and i haven't seen any hangs or crashes, but then i don't use voice 13.32.17 # i.e loading a talk clip while the previous one is still being output to PCM 13.32.44 # My H300 has crashed twice today, and about 6 times in the past week 13.32.58 # Not using voice, but always during playback 13.33.04 # Normally when skipping 13.33.13 # Although once for no good reason 13.33.38 # Seems to be mainly when it's just started up and dircache is scanning 13.34.14 # I'm running with a silly playlist of 35000 entries 13.34.55 # gosh, iphone runs at 620MHz 13.35.27 # hmm... the freezes I see are just during browsing, not during letting it play 13.35.32 # anyone here familiar with LaTeX? 13.36.04 # pixelma: But only if you have .talk clips enabled? Maybe you could experiment... 13.36.37 # can't answer this question just now, it really needs some experimenting, yes 13.36.46 # Indeed. 13.37.57 # DefineByte: somewhat 13.38.14 # amiconn, pondlife: I don't use any voice functions and have not had any hardlocks recently 13.38.27 # petur: Do you use dircache? 13.38.31 # yes 13.38.49 # OK, so you're in a similar setup as me, except mine crashes :/ 13.39.14 # Eww, Rockbox stopped working on my Sansa e280. :/ 13.39.34 # I'll have to double-check the dircache setting then but haven't got my h380 with me here, will check tonight 13.40.00 # I'm using the latest cpchan rockbox. I was just browsing the database when some error message came. 13.40.16 # Tuplanolla: We only support the normal build here 13.40.21 # is \index{foo} used just when building the index? i.e. I can rename '\index{Boot loader}' to '\index{Bootloader}' and all that will happen is the heading in the index will change? There'll be no dead links anywhere? 13.40.26 # pondlife: Ok, thanks. 13.40.32 # Try with that and report back 13.40.33 # I got those freezes both on H180 and H340. Not on X5, but I use that one a lot less than the irivers 13.41.22 # pondlife: The cpchan build worked like a week, then crashed. 13.41.44 # I'll try to reinstall that anyway. 13.42.32 Join axionix [0] (n=axion@cpe-74-70-239-192.nycap.res.rr.com) 13.44.36 # okay, I found the not so short introduction to LaTeX. I guess that answers my question. x) 13.44.40 Quit DefineByte ("Leaving.") 13.44.49 # sorry - I was working busy 13.44.57 # I did read all that you wrote 13.45.29 # Bagder: please rectify the information that is not correct!! :-) 13.45.38 Join stewball`ghost [0] (n=WTFOMGBB@91.106.196.218) 13.45.40 # leave a comment on the forum, If you want 13.46.19 # Casainho_: Looks like Bagder just edited the wiki page ;) 13.46.31 # :-) - I will see the changes :-) 13.47.30 # hmmm... 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compile that, can I remove bmp_resize patch from my build? 15.14.53 # no not exactly.. atleast not for now 15.15.24 # So, this can be used to resize the AA, but not at the moment? 15.15.47 # well it can be used to resize any given "struct bitmap" 15.16.13 # it's not integrated anywhere for now, just the method and a test case 15.16.25 Join Arathis2 [0] (n=doerk@p508A5E3B.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.16.57 # jott: Scaling up, down, or either way, and is it better suited for either specifically? 15.18.03 # it's not agnostic, as it compares the sizes and uses different algorithms 15.18.18 # for scaling up and down 15.19.18 # Gotcha. Just thinking. If BMP resizing were in the core, scaling iconsets to font size might (at least in some cases) look nicer. 15.20.00 # possibly. it would be nice to investigate indeed. 15.22.52 Quit Arathis2 ("Bye, bye") 15.31.03 # Are the devs keen on a resize feature (maybe even in the core) or is it unlikely that any resize algorithm gets committed (i.e. Llorean doesn't like that since resizing pictures on a pc is much more efficient) 15.31.53 Join iamben_ [0] (n=ben@adsl-75-34-81-32.dsl.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net) 15.32.25 Quit iamben (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.33.26 # I'm for it. I have album art twice now, both big for the PC and small for rockbox. But I just got the album art to check it out, I don't really need it. 15.34.26 # It's not difficult to batch resize/convert 15.34.34 # I vote for small core 15.34.43 # I think as long as the algorithm is small and fast enough, it should be okay 15.34.59 # I don't like asking people to have album art multiple times for various themes. 15.35.27 Quit Arathis (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.35.37 # I'm not saying it is hard to batch resize, I'm saying it is stupid to have it in multiple sizes 15.35.45 # I don't like the buffer size reductions I seem to have seen recently. Seems to be down from 29 to 25MB for some reason. 15.35.52 # Ouch 15.35.52 # as I sync my whole music tree between pc and dap 15.35.55 # Where'd we lose 4mb? 15.36.22 # Possibly quite a bit was my HD upgrade. 80GB and I usethe database. 15.36.38 # Aaaah 15.36.41 # petur: What about multiple formats? BMP/JPG. 15.36.44 # and you filled the whole disk ? 15.36.50 # Not yet :) 15.37.03 # I could do 15.37.24 # pondlife: I could live with using BMP on the PC, diskspace is not a problem there 15.37.28 # Nice to have as a backup if nothing else. 15.37.50 Join hannesd__ [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 15.38.17 # OK, I just find I normally obtain AA in JPG, so would need to convert it once at least 15.38.38 # Typically, my PC copy is in "original" format/size 15.38.52 # i.e. as good a quality as I have managed to obtain 15.39.48 # Anyway, yes, resize is ok as long as it's a small bit of code. 15.39.55 # No big buffers! 15.40.44 # jpg->bmp does not degrade quality I think 15.40.48 Nick joshin_ is now known as joshin (n=joshin@unaffiliated/joshin) 15.40.58 # jpg->bmp is just a waste of HD space, nothing more. 15.40.58 # Nope 15.41.07 # pondlife: Agreed on the big buffer thing 15.41.30 # * GodEater_ wills Nico_P to reappear 15.41.33 # But since we're using MOB anyway, you aren't wasting space unless you have album art already. 15.41.43 # Yes 15.41.52 # And I think what we were wanting was "resize on load, and resize in place in the buffer" 15.41.52 # But the resize must work inside that memory 15.42.35 # the imlib2 currently uses approx ( LCD_WIDTH * 2 + LCD_HEIGHT ) * sizeof(fb_data) + LCD_HEIGHT * sizeof(fb_data*)... 15.42.44 # jott: That's a lot. 15.43.02 # Well, not a *lot* 15.43.05 # :) 15.43.15 # it's a bit, yeah more than nothing ;) 15.43.20 # But the kind of amount we'd like to avoid if possible. 15.43.56 # well it's a tradeoff between memory footprint and performance 15.44.29 # Well within a plugin, memory footprint hardly matters. 15.44.38 # But in the core... 15.44.41 # and the buffer space user-allocatable.. 15.44.46 # ..could be.. 15.45.00 # Within the core, where most bitmaps should be resized once upon load, performance probably takes a back seat to footprint in some cases 15.45.08 # but it would decrease the ease of use of such a method 15.45.28 Join 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( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )' 15.51.53 # markun: yeah 15.51.55 # markun: even tried it 15.52.53 # bbl 15.53.03 Quit petur ("gonne") 15.53.13 # i`ve a question to rockbox-firmware. i have an ipod nano 1st generation. is it possible to control the ipod via my alpine full speed radio if rockbox is installed? or does this only work with orginal apple firmware? thanks 15.53.19 Quit hannesd (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.53.50 Quit zpeterz63 ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") 15.56.50 # Llorean: you mentione the possibility to resize icons to the fontsize. Would theis even work for icons that use transparency? 15.56.58 # lazer: it's fairly probable that you'll only be able to do that in the original firmware 15.58.10 # PaulJam: with nearest neighbour it should work (and look pretty bad I think) 15.58.15 # PaulJam: I'm sure special cases would be needed both for the transparent and foreground colors 15.58.34 # hm... 15.59.29 # lazer: we don't have support for the serial protocol used by a lot of ipod accesories 15.59.46 # lazer: here's some info about the things we do support http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodAccessories 16.00.04 # ok.thanks 16.00.10 # :) 16.02.26 Join webguest27 [0] (i=d4702a9a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6f5f2053af2fa8dd) 16.02.32 # I'd imagine you'd have to do something like take a mono mask of the transparent color, scale that mono mask, replace the transparent color in the original image with something, scale it, then use the scaled mask to draw in new transparent pixels. (Note: I know very little about image scaling, just a wild guess) 16.03.23 # What is MoB? - it's not listed in IRC slang. 16.03.42 # Metadata On Buffer 16.03.51 # webguest27: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MetadataOnBuffer 16.04.02 # ok, thanks. 16.04.36 # it's not really IRC slang, it's very specific to Rockbox 16.04.37 # without alpha-channel you will always get aliasing artifacts on the edges... 16.05.09 # jott: But if you don't have alpha channel, aliasing artifacts are better than nothing. 16.05.52 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.06.24 # the easiest approach would probably be to just ignore pixels with the key-color.. 16.06.43 Quit CaptainSquid ("Miranda IM!") 16.06.44 # Ignore them in what sense? 16.06.49 # and then either prefer them or neglect them 16.07.07 # Ah 16.07.13 # ignore them when interpolationg 16.07.49 # Yeah, there are two key colors for bitmaps in Rockbox, generally. One for "Transparent" and the other for "Use the foreground color instead" 16.07.51 # * jott wonders if there is any kind of research papers about this :) 16.08.52 Join scorche|w [0] (n=42c007b2@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 16.09.43 # does the special foreground colour work in the whole firmware? so could i use it for example in the wps or is it only for iconsets? 16.09.52 # PaulJam: I believe it works everywhere 16.10.07 # interesting. i didn't know that 16.10.08 # Except backdrops, since special colors don't apply for them at all 16.10.54 # I suppose I might be wrong, it's a quick test. ;) 16.12.10 Join DaCapn [0] (n=dacapn@c-76-105-220-239.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 16.13.03 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 16.13.38 Quit lazer ("CGI:IRC") 16.13.56 Quit J3TC- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.14.19 # it works (even though not for the backdrop as you already pointed out). 16.16.14 Quit webguest27 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 16.18.45 Join J3TC- [0] (n=jetc123@wlrsvd-251.njit.edu) 16.18.55 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.19.16 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF5D44.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.20.12 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.20.47 Quit mf0102 ("Verlassend") 16.21.03 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.20.164) 16.23.00 Quit mf0102 (Client Quit) 16.23.14 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.20.164) 16.25.59 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 16.26.56 Join H10_007quick [0] (n=chatzill@mnet-ki-244-78-181.monarch.net) 16.27.02 Quit H10_007quick (Client Quit) 16.30.08 Quit pondlife (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.31.11 # is it due to my custom build, or does the spacing option in the pf hardly anything? 16.32.07 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.33.18 Join pondlife [0] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 16.34.25 # kugel: it does only scale the "empty slide" for now.. 16.34.45 # What do you mean with scale? 16.34.56 # arg sorry read scale not space :) 16.35.16 # no the spacing influences the space between the albums on the left and the right 16.36.07 # so settings this to 0 would make the stacks on the sides appear to be one single cover :) 16.37.50 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp236-96.adsl.forthnet.gr) 16.38.22 # I've set it to 0, and to 100 16.38.25 # no difference 16.38.38 # tried it with centermargin 0,-50 and 50 16.38.40 # could you post a screendump? 16.38.57 # note that I'm using a custom build 16.39.16 # well as long as you did not patch pf it should not matter i suppose.. 16.40.06 # I patched it, in 1 line (bmp_read_file) to make it work with bmp_reisize. However I doubt that it affects the spacing settings 16.40.23 # if you wait a few min, I'm gonna try a current build 16.40.23 # no, i don't think so ;) 16.42.21 Quit phr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.44.23 # same issue with a current build 16.44.40 Join phr [0] (n=phr@adsl-75-62-4-229.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) 16.46.14 # how big are the covers used and your screen? 16.47.07 # 100x100 16.47.31 # screen is 176x220 16.47.39 # (e200) 16.49.13 Quit Genre9mp3 () 16.49.16 Quit XavierGr () 16.51.40 # http://www.alice-dsl.net/simonemartitz/dump 071212-164438.bmp 16.52.20 # http://www.alice-dsl.net/simonemartitz/dump%20071212-164438.bmp 16.52.41 # http://www.alice-dsl.net/simonemartitz/dump%071212-164827.bmp <-- first one, just to be clickable 16.52.42 Part LinusN 16.52.56 # no wait 16.53.21 # http://www.alice-dsl.net/simonemartitz/dump%071212-164438.bmp 16.53.31 Quit mf0102 ("Verlassend") 16.53.37 Join DefineByte [0] (n=defineby@bb-87-81-195-5.ukonline.co.uk) 16.53.41 # wtf 16.53.50 # the file name on my server is starting with 07 16.53.59 # but you have to have 2007 instead 16.54.03 # Oo 16.54.28 # will anyone commit FS#8309 for me? 16.54.40 # http://www.alice-dsl.net/simonemartitz/dump%20071212-164438.bmp 16.55.08 # http://www.alice-dsl.net/simonemartitz/dump%20071212-164827.bmp 16.55.11 # finally 16.55.30 # jott: the first one is with 0 spacing, the second with 100 16.55.41 # well you only have one cover to the left and to the right visible :) 16.55.53 # sure 16.55.56 # hence the parameter has no visual effect 16.56.15 # so waht's spacing doing? 16.56.16 # as it defines the space of multiple covers to the left&right 16.56.24 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.20.164) 16.56.35 # I thought it's the space between the center cover and the two next it it 16.56.45 # no thats center margin.. 16.57.07 # ah 16.57.09 # it probably needs better titles.. 16.57.15 # I think I got it 16.57.22 # quite confusing though 16.57.31 # definetely 16.57.39 # a bit.. yes but hard to explain i guess ;) 16.57.51 # true 16.57.52 # if you have ideas for better description you are welcome ;) 16.58.21 # hmm 16.58.31 # maybe, since the one is center margin 16.58.42 # the spacing could be named to other margin or something :) 16.59.02 # hehe the "Other margin or something" setting ;> 16.59.09 # ^^ 16.59.55 # margin between non-active covers 17.00.19 # that fits imo, but it's a bit too long, isn't it? 17.00.25 # yeah rather long.. 17.00.50 # you see it's not that easy to find a catchy phrase :) 17.01.06 # yea, I see 17.01.32 # active margin, and non-active margin maybe? 17.02.22 # or center, non-center 17.02.25 Quit mf0102 ("Verlassend") 17.02.27 # hm maybe.. though the other setting is indeed more of a spacing than a margin ;) 17.02.40 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.20.164) 17.03.06 # true, but most users won't discover the difference between the terminology in this case 17.03.12 # i guess 17.03.22 # and those who do will complain :P 17.03.25 Quit homielowe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.03.31 # spacing :) 17.03.52 # then change margin to spacing? 17.03.53 # :D 17.04.11 # indeed not easy, but just spacing is worse imo 17.04.34 # yeah i agree.. it's a bit misleading if you don't know what it's supposed to do.. 17.04.55 Quit J3TC- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.05.06 # well anyway i'm off for a bit.. maybe you have a brilliant idea usability wise ;) 17.05.23 Join J3TC- [0] (n=jetc123@wlrsvd-251.njit.edu) 17.05.24 Join Crash91 [0] (n=evil91@41.232.207.234) 17.05.42 # (maybe interactive settings so it is rendered while changing values?! ;-) 17.06.10 # the menu must be transperant for that, doesn't it? 17.06.39 Quit J3TC- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.06.41 # theres a problem for me with pictureflow...i just wanna check if its documented 17.07.04 # Someone have a heart and commit FS#8309 for me. >.< It only changes folder/folders to directory/directories in the manual 17.07.22 Join J3TC- [0] (n=jetc123@wlrsvd-251.njit.edu) 17.07.35 # if an album doesnt have an album cover, it displays the AA of the previous one 17.08.20 # does rockbox have a default 'no cover' cover? 17.08.33 # it does 17.08.40 # good good :) 17.10.56 # it does ? 17.12.30 # there's a default cover 17.12.35 # where ? 17.12.43 # it's anywhere 17.12.47 Nick hannesd__ is now known as hannesd (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 17.12.54 # it has to be stored somewhere 17.12.58 # it gets shown when there's no cover found for an album 17.13.01 # RB can't summon it from thin air 17.13.18 # that surely depends on the theme 17.13.30 # the new "default" theme shows no cover at all if there's no AA for example 17.13.54 # GodEater_: sure it's stored somewhere. I meant that there's no specific interaction needed to get it shown 17.14.04 # so again, where is it ? 17.14.10 # kugel: what does it look like? ive never seen it? 17.14.31 # GodEater_: In the pictureflow.rock? Dunno 17.14.40 # so it's not in rockbox - it's in a plugin 17.14.59 # wow 17.15.02 # mr. picky 17.15.03 # which also implies it can't be used in a WPS... 17.15.12 # aha, pictureflow has the default cover, we are talking about WPS 17.15.32 # there is no default cover for that, it just leaves it blank 17.15.33 # also Crash91 just said it didn't do that in pictureflow 17.15.33 # you should blame DefineByte for saying rockbox instead of me 17.15.56 # GodEater_:sorry, i was talking about WPS, it does have a "?" thing 17.15.57 # er - he asked "Does Rockbox have a default "no cover" 17.16.01 # and you said "it does" 17.16.03 # how is that his fault ? 17.16.05 # Crash91: you were talking about pictureflow 17.16.17 # no i wasnt 17.16.46 # i thought that you were talking about some mysterious rockbox-default thing that was shown in WPS when AA isnt present 17.16.50 # I thought, since you said: "theres a problem for me with pictureflow...i just wanna check if its documented" before you asked that question 17.17.14 # pictureflow_emptyslide.#x#x16.bmp I guess would be it 17.17.53 # there should just be a standard one, which can be overridden by a theme. pictureflow could use that too 17.18.16 # =/ that isnt ideal 17.18.24 # why is that? 17.18.37 # firstly, what if the theme uses 176*176 AA, pictureflow needs only a 100*100 17.18.47 # and there is no scaling, so therefore it wouldnt work.. 17.18.49 Quit Siku (Nick collision from services.) 17.18.57 # then you get the default 100x100 aa 17.18.59 Join Siku [0] (i=Siku@e81-197-68-206.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 17.19.33 # =/ well it isnt really that crucial, personally i dont care at all about that 17.19.46 # it would be up to theme authors to provide aa compatible with pictureflow 17.19.57 # yeah 17.20.14 # eh ? 17.20.17 # how would they do that ? 17.20.23 # they're supposed to know what music you own ? 17.20.39 # DefineByte, no, it would be up to the user to provide pictureflow-compatible aa. you can have multiple sizes. 17.20.59 # say the location for the "unknown" cover is /.rockbox/wps/themename/unknowncover.bmp 17.21.17 # huh? i'm only talking about the default 'no cover found' image 17.21.33 # the ? with a greyscale gradient.. 17.21.36 # there should be only one of those 17.21.42 # it shouldn't have to be in multiple themes 17.21.49 # waste of disc space otherwise 17.21.56 # i'm not saying it 'has' to be 17.22.13 # just if you want to match the look of the theme you could include it 17.22.22 # GodEater_: isnt "disc" the US version? 17.22.22 # I suppose.... 17.22.31 # don't think so 17.22.56 # i've always thought of hard drives and floppies as disks and CDs as discs... 17.23.04 # same 17.23.36 # US is disk 17.23.51 # =/ i always thought of them as disks, and when i saw linux and mac, i saw disc.. 17.23.57 # according to the Oxford english dictionary 17.24.02 # yeah but everyone uses disk for hdds so i go with the 'flow' :) 17.24.11 # krazykit: yeah, same here too 17.24.47 # * GodEater_ refuses to bow to pressue from the US on this ;) 17.25.05 # pressure too 17.25.07 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF5D44.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.26.11 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spelling_of_disc 17.26.29 # lol 17.27.05 # apparently I should use disk when talking about magentic media, and disc when speaking of optical media 17.27.09 # you live and learn eh / 17.27.37 # hmmm, that is what ive been doing....but unconciously 17.27.55 # anyway...we say compact disc and hard disk 17.28.43 # but now that we've successfully derailed the channel into off-topic land... 17.28.45 # s/we/i 17.29.03 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@usw3662-s-207-244-148-63.dsl.w-link.net) 17.29.08 # just say HD and OD (who wants to specify cd, dvd, hddvd, bluray, etc?) 17.29.20 # :p 17.29.59 # krazykit: off-topic land saves us from the regular monotony of the rockbox channel 17.30.00 # there's too many OD formats for that 17.30.08 # its our "happy place" 17.31.31 # escape from the "monotony" to -community 17.31.37 # it's what it's there for 17.32.08 # i'd go there but i'm using pidgin for the first time and I can't work out how to open another channel xD 17.32.34 # /join #rockbox-community doesn't work ? 17.33.02 # d'oh 17.33.15 # the tabbed interface threw me 17.33.46 # lol 17.35.56 # krazykit: the channel has been pretty off topic today anyway 17.36.48 Join dandin1 [0] (n=dandin1@bas7-ottawa23-1088817362.dsl.bell.ca) 17.37.05 # hahah! off topicness wins!!!! 17.37.34 Quit MethoS-- (Remote closed the connection) 17.45.42 Nick parafin|away is now known as parafin (i=parafin@paraf.in) 17.47.54 Join OlivierBorowski [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-157-1-37-135.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) 17.48.51 # Did anyone try roolku's patch, which makes the pf plugin usable for the database? 17.48.57 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8295 17.50.11 Quit stewball`ghost (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.50.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.50.56 Quit Crash91 ("Bye Bye!") 17.52.44 Join Crash91 [0] (n=Crash91@41.232.207.234) 17.57.51 Quit pondlife (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.04.03 Join pondlife [0] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 18.04.49 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp236-96.adsl.forthnet.gr) 18.05.20 Join faemir [0] (n=daniel@85-211-149-147.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk) 18.05.46 # kugel: What stops you from trying it? 18.07.18 # From the tracker it sounds very much like it's merely the beginning of work on that 18.08.34 Quit Siku (Nick collision from services.) 18.08.40 Join Siku [0] (i=Siku@e81-197-68-206.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 18.08.56 Quit PaulJam (".") 18.11.56 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3030.gwdg.de) 18.19.40 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 18.21.00 # any peeps familiar with the manual here? 18.24.49 Quit faemir (Remote closed the connection) 18.24.49 # a bit 18.27.07 # willing to commit a small patch? 18.29.11 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54965F11.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.31.41 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 18.34.02 # what patch? 18.39.25 # pixelma: FS#8309 18.40.26 Quit miepchen^schlaf ("Verlassend") 18.41.43 # Llorean: Nothing, I'm trying it, but I can't get it to work 18.42.12 # kugel: Well the task says it's the beginnings of integrating it. What are you expecting it to do? 18.42.27 Join faemir [0] (n=daniel@85-211-149-147.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk) 18.43.15 # I'm expecting that I can either use the pf plugin or the database menu to get to the pictureflow screen, where I can click a cover to play the album 18.43.37 # I have a cover by item in the database, but there is no pictureflow 18.43.55 # I guess, it's because I can't use the plugin while playing music 18.44.26 # kugel: Read the task, I'm pretty sure he says that it can't actually *launch* pictureflow yet 18.45.24 # oh yea 18.45.27 # DefineByte: will look into it. Are you sure "directory" was the preferred one - but consistency is welcome... 18.45.35 # my bad, didn't see that paragraph 18.46.48 # that's what we decided on i think :) 18.47.11 # i think directory appears more often too 18.48.02 Join Neovanglist [0] (i=Neovangl@chrisg.phx.neovanglist.net) 18.48.56 Join Kage [0] (n=delphiki@ppp-88-217-74-29.dynamic.mnet-online.de) 18.49.46 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A5E3B.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.54.01 # would it be easy to code 18.54.24 # would it be easy to code a WPS tag which determines the transparency of an image? 18.54.34 # should "PCM Wave" in the recording format menu be just "WAV"? .aif is just AIFF, after all 18.54.40 # (sorry for the first part, i pressed neter by mistake =/) 18.56.06 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.57.59 Nick roxfan[zzz] is now known as roxfan (n=dunno@199.53-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) 19.00.51 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54965F11.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.02.16 Quit Siku (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 19.05.29 Join Siku [0] (i=Siku@e81-197-68-206.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 19.07.49 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@130.243.209.129) 19.11.29 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 19.12.31 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.14.44 Quit DaCapn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.16.02 Quit Siku (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 19.16.20 # bye bye 19.16.29 Quit Casainho_ ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") 19.17.02 Join lemur [0] (n=lemur@76.89.214.49) 19.18.39 Quit TMM ("Ex-Chat") 19.22.14 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@e179204186.adsl.alicedsl.de) 19.23.34 Part pondlife ("Gone") 19.31.52 Quit DefineByte ("Leaving.") 19.33.17 Quit lemur__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.36.56 Join webguest92 [0] (i=51843e4b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-56e2285960594a67) 19.37.00 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54965F11.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.37.24 # hi guys, need a bit of assistance clearing rockbox off my ipod properly 19.37.29 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.37.52 Join Siku [0] (i=Siku@e81-197-68-206.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 19.39.19 # i just uninstalled it, but when i turn off my ipod and go to turn in back on again, it clearly hasn't shut down properly, its more like a hibernation and will probably drain my battery if i leave it 19.39.38 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p5496430F.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.40.05 # could someone possibly give me a hand making sure i've done everything properly? 19.40.42 # Sounds like normal behavior, from what I understand (don't have any ipod myself)... 19.41.08 # really? cos when i turn it on again theres no apple boot screen 19.41.19 # Rockbox doesn't have a hibernation. 19.41.23 # Why do you think it's not shutting down? 19.41.33 # webguest92: ipod never shut down, i thought every ipod user knew that 19.41.47 # because my ipod starts up again very fast, much faster than it used to 19.42.01 # Crash91: They do with Rockbox... 19.42.16 # they hibernate, and unlike rockbox, do not shut down, the only advantage is that it doesnt need to boot, and can load quicker 19.42.26 # Llorean: well i meant apple OF :P 19.42.31 # yea, but i uninstalled rockbox 19.42.35 Join lee-qid_ [0] (n=liqid@p5496430F.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.42.55 # webguest92: In the original firmware, there's no "off", just "sleep", yes. 19.42.57 # yeah and? it doesnt shutdown...its not meat to with apple software 19.43.11 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.43.13 # it "hibernates" 19.43.24 Quit J3TC- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.43.36 # ok... just seems to be behaving very differently than it used to, i.e. before i installed rockbox 19.43.56 # The apple firmware will eventually shut down after a day or so... not sure at all because I never used the OF 19.44.14 # it used to require removing hold, then pressing a button to boot 19.44.49 # webguest92: are you sure its not some kind of new firmware "feature"? 19.45.45 # well, maybe, but its not one i used to experience under apple firmware, which leads me to believe the rockbox firmware wasn't completely removed 19.46.05 # although i can't find the .rockbox folder when i boot to disk mode, which leads me to believe it was removed 19.46.23 # nope, that is perfectly normal ipod behaviour...how long did you use your ipod before rockboxing it? 19.46.24 # webguest92: its completly removed, trust us... ! :-) 19.46.38 # about 6 months 19.46.45 # its a 5.5g 30gb 19.46.58 # just thought i'd check before i come to use it and its drained :) 19.47.26 # :) well be careful....a girl in my class "borrowed"my friends ipod connector...and never gave it back 19.47.41 # so in effect stole it, lol 19.47.43 # webguest92: thats really the normal Apple os behavior... and it will drain the battery slowly.. :-) 19.47.48 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF5D44.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.48.17 # ok, so long as you're sure 19.48.46 # one other thing, when i do a reboot (select + menu) it attempts to load rockbox still and tells me to boot to disk mode 19.48.57 # Then you didn't remove the bootloader 19.49.28 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 19.49.31 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp236-96.adsl.forthnet.gr) 19.49.32 # oh ok, thought when i did "uninstall rockbox" it did everything 19.50.17 # this sounds like rbutil... there is a seperate button to remove the bootloader.. 19.50.28 # ok ty, will give that a go 19.50.47 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.52.01 # one of the main reasons i installed rockbox was becuase of pictureflow 19.52.14 # but it wouldn't load 19.52.57 # good god 19.53.08 # you're uninstalling because a mere days old features isn't stable yet ? 19.53.26 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-024-163-032-204.nc.res.rr.com) 19.53.33 # hehe, i think pictureflow will be a thing like our doom plugin.. :-) 19.53.57 # lol 19.54.00 Join J3TC- [0] (n=jetc123@wlrsvd-251.njit.edu) 19.54.09 # i know coverflow is just a gimmick, but its a feature of itunes, and one of new gen ipods i like 19.54.35 # i had a friend who uninstalled RB 'cause he didnt like the look of "apple disk mode" and it sucked....and hes jealous of my sansa with coverflow now 19.54.40 Quit Neovanglist (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.54.42 # and said* 19.55.08 # webguest92: wasnt it made available to the ipods in a FW update? 19.55.13 # 5.5gens i mean 19.55.15 # nope 19.55.28 Quit kugel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.55.36 # why did you uninstall RB btw? 19.55.39 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host202-206-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 19.55.47 # similarly with search for 5.5g, i don't believe that was made available for 5g 19.56.02 # search? 19.56.11 # this is offtopic, you two. 19.56.14 # 5.5g ipods have a search feature 19.56.18 # to - community! 19.56.32 # ah, webguests cant join it....the client restricts 19.56.44 Quit dandin1 () 19.56.44 # webguest92: and how would one type the word in? 19.56.45 # and 60% brighter screen, i think they were tjhe only differences 19.57.02 # it brings up a keypad and u select letters with the clickwheel 19.57.04 # webguest92 unistalled rockbox, so he is now offtopic :-) 19.57.10 # lol :) 19.57.11 # :) 19.57.34 # lol...hes offtopic because he is simply living 19.58.19 # anyway, partway through after it had scanned my ipod's db it wouldnt startup, was concerned i'd bricked it. after about 5 minutes i got it booted again 19.58.30 # it was a graduation gift so i decided i'd leave it alone :) 20.00.00 # :) 20.00.13 # anyway cheers for your help guys 20.00.41 Quit webguest92 ("CGI:IRC 0.5.7 (2005/06/19)") 20.12.07 Join Redbreva [0] (n=Miranda@host86-144-108-57.range86-144.btcentralplus.com) 20.13.30 Join Arathis2 [0] (n=doerk@p508A3D9E.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.14.07 Quit Arathis2 (Client Quit) 20.15.36 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 20.20.22 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 3.0b3pre/2007121205]") 20.27.16 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpnb181.ugent.be) 20.28.09 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 20.29.56 Join moos [0] (i=moos@m128.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 20.30.22 Quit Arathis (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.30.46 Join decatur [0] (n=nobody@pD95DF71B.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.33.03 Quit n1s (Remote closed the connection) 20.33.05 Quit hannesd ("Client suicide") 20.33.14 # hi there, I've just registered to the wiki to submit something totally new 20.33.33 # what's your name? 20.33.41 # ah, KaiHelbig 20.34.02 # it will be an iconset for gray scale players 20.34.17 # decatur: sounds nice :-) 20.35.02 # i hope it will be nice 20.35.13 # done 20.35.23 # ok, so now i can submit it? 20.35.50 # by done I mean, you have edit access to wiki 20.36.00 # ok, thanks 20.39.42 Quit Crash91 ("Leaving") 20.42.07 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@pD955E530.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.50.08 Quit ompaul (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.56.17 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 20.56.26 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 20.57.35 Quit Mathiasdm ("Ik ga weg") 20.59.08 Part moos ("Rockbox rules the DAP world") 21.02.03 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B15459.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.02.31 # editing the wiki was quite confusing, but now it's done 21.02.52 # the first usable iconset for grayscale players 21.03.03 Join TMM [0] (n=hp@ip565b35da.direct-adsl.nl) 21.03.44 # decatur: looks nice... i will try it on my iriver :-) 21.04.24 # would be nice if other people share my taste ;-) 21.06.07 # the icons are nice... but they are little bit to big for my taste of font size :-) 21.06.57 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 21.07.05 # hm, might be ... but i wanted it to fit to the theme i use 21.07.37 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 21.07.42 # and i could use the colored ones in that size 21.08.17 # rescaling them would be quite difficult 21.08.50 # sure.. no problem.. at least we have now a nice grayscale iconset .-) 21.09.42 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 21.09.49 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpnc131.ugent.be) 21.09.50 # thats true ... 21.10.12 # but if there should be a great interest in smaller icons, i could try to make some ... 21.18.07 Join Neovanglist [0] (i=Neovangl@chrisg.phx.neovanglist.net) 21.20.58 # btw, is there some way to contact other registered members in the wiki? 21.22.12 # i wanted to ask christophreiter whether i could reuse his icons for grayscale 21.22.29 # you can go to their member page and see fi they list an email address 21.22.44 # and if there is none? 21.24.14 Quit n17ikh|Lappy (Connection timed out) 21.29.59 Quit faemir (Remote closed the connection) 21.30.17 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet28.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 21.32.40 Part decatur ("I am leaving") 21.35.26 Join bjorn` [0] (i=bjorn@archlinux.no) 21.36.44 # Good evening folks 21.37.46 # If I may ask, what's the status on the rockbox firmware port for the Zen Vision:M? 21.38.39 # the latest information should be routed to the forum thread under the "new ports" forum 21.39.32 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-209-129.student.uu.se) 21.40.40 Join sarixe [0] (n=sarixe@ool-435403e9.dyn.optonline.net) 21.43.28 Quit lymeca ("...and don't forget: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 !") 21.44.35 Quit Siku (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 21.50.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.54.31 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 21.55.43 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 3.0b3pre/2007121205]") 21.57.51 # urgh, just had a weird effect on my Ondio. I edited a file with the text editor while playing music, suddenly all characters turned into cryptic and the Ondio froze - could only hard power it off. I think (but didn't pay too much attention) that it was during a track change and I have "follow playlist" on... 21.58.46 # should probably try if it's reproducible 22.00.29 Quit phr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.02.26 Join phr [0] (n=phr@adsl-75-62-4-229.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) 22.03.09 # doesn't seem to be :\ 22.05.24 # * preglow tried an ipod touch today 22.05.27 # boy, are those bastards pretty 22.05.30 Join przemhb [0] (n=przemhb@fan115.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 22.05.51 # i love the display 22.06.10 # not overly fond of touch controls, but i guess you get used to it 22.09.03 # first coverflow, now an itouch....we may be losing him ;) 22.09.58 # haha 22.10.08 # when you see my coding touch based guis, then you can say you've lost me 22.11.22 # i said losING...not lost yet =P 22.11.51 # actually...isnt JdGordon coding touch based guis? ;) 22.12.21 # yeah, he is, but he always did have tendencies toward the darker aspects of programming :P 22.13.35 # even now, he is too busy at microsoft to quip back! 22.13.41 Join XavierGr_ [0] (n=xavier@ppp236-96.adsl.forthnet.gr) 22.13.41 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 22.13.47 # at microsoft? :> 22.13.54 # heh...you didnt know? 22.14.01 # internship 22.14.16 # what in the fuck 22.14.18 # well 22.14.21 # make him get us zune info :> 22.14.47 # already working on it, but he said the repositories are pretty locked down! 22.15.22 # for some reason i'm less than surprised 22.16.49 # i don't think you've got access to much but what you're working on 22.23.51 Join adiamas [0] (n=adiamas@12.193.211.18) 22.30.18 Nick Kage is now known as KG (n=delphiki@ppp-88-217-74-29.dynamic.mnet-online.de) 22.30.23 Nick KG is now known as Kage (n=delphiki@ppp-88-217-74-29.dynamic.mnet-online.de) 22.36.34 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 22.38.26 Quit mf0102 ("Verlassend") 22.39.11 Quit n1s () 22.40.12 Quit adiamas ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") 22.45.50 Quit Jon-Kha (Remote closed the connection) 22.51.30 Join safetydan [0] (n=safetyda@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 22.54.33 Quit Mathiasdm ("Ik ga weg") 22.56.26 Quit Kage ("return(EXIT_SUCCESS);") 23.02.28 Nick parafin is now known as parafin|away (i=parafin@paraf.in) 23.02.57 Join fraaay [0] (n=fray@pD957D6C2.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.03.06 # halli hallo 23.03.38 # jemand da, der mir vllt kurz helfen kann? / anyone here to help me out real quick ? ;) 23.03.59 # if you ask your question (in English) we can try 23.04.26 # ok, i installed rockbox on my sansa c250 - works great 23.04.41 # but cant i set the usb mode somewhere ? i just want it to connect as a storage device 23.05.18 # rockbox has no usb support yet on this device 23.05.42 # ah, ok - how can i start original firmware ? 23.06.11 # doesn't the manual say? 23.06.25 # i havnt found anything 23.06.30 # ..in the manual 23.07.54 # http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansac200/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-290003.1.3 23.08.28 # oh, kinda missed that - im sorry for bothering you guys - thx a lot!! 23.11.22 Quit Domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.11.27 Join smartmind [0] (n=smartmin@91.65.18.228) 23.11.29 # hello 23.11.58 # do you know whether the albumart resize patch already is implemented in the current build? 23.12.42 # I think not 23.12.53 # thought so 23.13.03 # but album art is implemented? 23.13.05 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 23.13.08 # yes 23.13.37 # because in the patch history of the album art patch (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3045) theres written something about a resizing patch 23.13.48 # smartmind - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt 23.14.19 # from that page - "it is planned but no time estimate is available" 23.15.14 Join n17ikh|Lappy [0] (n=n17ikh@c-76-23-98-11.hsd1.sc.comcast.net) 23.17.34 Join mroc [0] (n=mroc@faculty1-cis38.unh.edu) 23.17.39 Quit Redbreva (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.18.26 # ok so ill have to add it on my own :( 23.18.29 # haha, nokia retracts their statement seen in Swedish ads: "plays all audio formats" .... 23.19.01 # Bagder: haha, I wondered how they thought they'd get away with it 23.19.11 # yeah, they claim it was a mistake 23.19.15 # it should say "almost all" 23.19.26 # and that too is not really true 23.19.30 # mistake, yeah right 23.19.35 # "MP3, MP4, AAC, eAAc+ and WMA" 23.19.37 # "almost" is such good marketing 23.19.46 # does that look like almost all you can think of+ 23.19.47 # ? 23.20.00 # uhm 23.20.02 # of course ;) 23.20.13 # "plays all audio formats we paid for" ;) 23.20.14 # theres nothing else then mp3 and wma ;) 23.20.16 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 23.20.50 # "it doesn't seem any customer has bought the phone believing it actually can play all formats" they say... 23.22.28 Join Soaa [0] (n=chatzill@dsl-150-200.aei.ca) 23.22.39 # Hello everyone. 23.22.56 # Bagder: oy, what charset are commit messages supposed to be in? :> 23.23.13 # us ascii ;-P 23.23.21 # haha 23.23.25 # Hello. I'm attempting to install Rockbox manually on my iPod Video. I downloaded and extracted the current build and it created a folder ".rockbox" which I put in the root folder of the iPod. I followed the instructions in the manual for installing the fonts and after extracting that, I get a second ".rockbox" folder. Am I supposed to have ".rockbox" and ".rockbox (2)" in the root of the drive? Thanks in advance for your help. 23.23.28 # it did weird shit to my 23.23.46 # actually, I don't think we have decided at any time, we just... play by ear 23.23.54 # mroc, move whatever is in .rockbox (2) into .rockbox. 23.23.57 # thoms advice: utf8 for everything 23.24.07 # I figure utf8 is the most sensible 23.24.09 # then play by ear on that 23.24.18 # i really just do utf8 for absolutely everything these days 23.24.23 # so i perhaps one day can not bother about it 23.24.24 # Soaa: Thanks. 23.24.27 # * preglow hates charsets 23.24.44 Join DefineByte [0] (n=defineby@bb-87-81-195-5.ukonline.co.uk) 23.24.45 # No prob. 23.24.58 # Hey, anyone checked out my patch for PictureFlow? 23.25.31 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B15459.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.26.21 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8307 23.26.26 Join DaCapn [0] (n=dacapn@c-76-105-220-239.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 23.26.52 Quit OlivierBorowski (Remote closed the connection) 23.27.18 Part mroc ("Leaving.") 23.27.47 # Soaa: yes looked into it.. it might be the best way to fade in&out otherwise it will always look choppy.. 23.28.22 # Not only that, it just seems more intuitive to me. 23.28.33 # Hope it gets comitted. 23.28.39 # committed* 23.28.47 Join manlight435 [0] (n=asfsaa@97.88.183.78) 23.29.18 Part przemhb 23.29.18 # I hope my patch isn't too messy? It's my first time coding something in C that actually works. 23.29.45 Quit smartmind () 23.30.54 # Soaa: well could be optimized a bit, but i think i'll do something similar... 23.31.58 # Cool. How about the bug I filed? That one's nasty. 23.32.40 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8306 23.32.41 # yes not really sure how to reproduce it.. 23.33.11 # Quite easy, just press the opposite direction while it's animating 23.33.20 Join Rincewind [0] (i=UfQd9ifg@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 23.34.56 Quit Rincewind (Client Quit) 23.40.07 # would it be possible to emulate nes on rockbox? 23.40.18 # There has been talk for something like that. 23.40.26 Quit fraaay () 23.40.40 # Not sure about progress though. Last time I checked, they were looking for an emulator that's GPL'd. 23.40.45 # what are the proccessing powers of most mp3 players 23.41.08 # manlight435: they can vary quite a bit... 23.41.29 # what do ipods have? 23.41.44 # and sansa e200? 23.42.17 # we run both cores at 80MHz, although we dont make full use of both cores yet 23.42.29 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.42.33 # but an NES emulator is certainly doable if someone puts the effort into it 23.43.33 Join Langly- [0] (i=Langly@c-24-21-39-47.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 23.43.39 # does the GBC have a faster processer than the nes/ 23.43.52 # manlight435, why don't you search google to find out? 23.44.22 # already here 23.44.25 # ok 23.45.32 # google is a machine - these are people - with other things to do besides google's work. 23.46.35 # it says it has about the same power as an snes 23.46.51 # so it is definetly doable 23.47.08 # didnt i just say that? 23.47.19 # yea 23.50.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.52.24 Ctcp Time from Zagor!n=bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor 23.52.24 *** Server message 505: 'logbot_ :Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. 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