--- Log for 13.12.107 Server: clarke.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 8 hours and 12 minutes ago 00.02.46 Quit MethoS- ("Konversation terminated!") 00.03.56 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよなら") 00.04.38 Join homielowe [0] (n=chatzill@d207-81-67-190.bchsia.telus.net) 00.09.37 Quit lemur (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.10.31 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@m94.net81-66-75.noos.fr) 00.12.14 Quit Soaa ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.9/2007102514]") 00.13.22 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 00.22.01 Join n17ikh [0] (n=n17ikh@c-76-23-98-11.hsd1.sc.comcast.net) 00.22.01 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@CERULEANCITY.MIT.EDU) 00.22.01 Quit n17ikh|Lappy (Nick collision from services.) 00.22.01 Nick n17ikh is now known as n17ikh|Lappy (n=n17ikh@c-76-23-98-11.hsd1.sc.comcast.net) 00.24.55 # alright, I'd need some native English speaker help for our manual. Currently some things to pay attention to before attempting the install ended up in the "manual installation" paragraph and I'd like to move them up above the "automatic installation" part and maybe give it an own headline. 00.24.55 # * preglow has gingerbread dough :> 00.24.55 # yay 00.24.55 # yay indeed 00.25.05 # i wonder how much of it will make it to the refridgerator 00.25.06 # the only headline I could think of was "Precautions" but we already have "Prerequisites"... someone have a better idea? 00.26.39 # Notices? 00.27.17 # precautions sounds more like something you need to read than prerequisites, though 00.28.20 # our "prerequisites" talk about what a zip utility is though 00.28.23 Join norbusan [0] (n=norbusan@chello213047086216.5.14.tuwien.teleweb.at) 00.28.30 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 00.29.39 Quit stripwax (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.29.43 # i would think that would go under a sort of "tools for the job" thing 00.29.44 Part norbusan 00.29.48 # the things that I find currently missing is things like macpods, MSC/UMS mode, running the installation tool with administrative rights and so on 00.30.21 # they are only "notes" and "warnings" in the manual installation part 00.30.26 Quit petur ("gonne") 00.33.11 # "Notices" sound quite ok, I think - will use that for now. I mean it's not like it couldn't be improved later, at least the important information is at a better spot. 00.34.26 # maybe separate it out into "prerequisite information/knowledge" and "prequisite tools"? 00.35.06 # "things you should know" and "things you should have" ? 00.35.31 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 00.35.54 Join RaRe [0] (n=Laffin_B@202-89-187-101.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) 00.39.48 # hmm... just checked back "Prerequisites" is chapter 2.2 in the manual, "Installating Rockbox" is 2.3 but starts with 2.3.1 "Automated Installation" immediately. Maybe I could just put it between the two headlines? 00.40.00 # *Installing 00.40.39 # wasn't there some talk of a restructuring of the manual? 00.43.08 # yes, I think it was started in a ml and got an on wiki (ManualStructureTalk) but I admit that I didn't follow it much. No change since devcon , too. 00.44.32 Quit scorche|w ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 00.45.44 Quit ender` (" Never say "Oooops" ... always say "Ahhh, interesting..."") 00.48.40 # the layout as proposed there looks pretty good 00.49.42 # but the manual really isn't bad as it is, either 00.49.52 Join DM| [0] (n=dm@cpe-65-24-167-246.columbus.res.rr.com) 00.51.21 Join J3TC- [0] (n=jetc123@pool-72-76-187-15.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) 00.52.35 Quit manlight435 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.54.23 Join dandin1 [0] (n=dandin1@bas7-ottawa23-1088833457.dsl.bell.ca) 00.55.44 Join mroc [0] (n=mroc@faculty1-cis38.unh.edu) 00.56.58 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 00.57.46 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 00.57.47 Quit hcs ("Leaving.") 00.58.38 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 00.59.09 # it's a bit outdated and missing some new features. In some areas more than in others... 01.00.00 Join slavik [0] (i=44c19d84@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3ca4dfa5d424c818) 01.00.39 # hrm 01.00.58 # the cutoff frequency for peaking filters is called "cutoff freq" in the grapic screen, and "center freq" in the advanced screen 01.01.04 # i wish we could get rid of those menus... 01.01.23 # adding talk support is next on my list :) 01.02.16 # I have a quick question about the "itdb2tc" tool. "This tool needs updating after Tag Cache was renamed Database" is written near the top of the page. Is this tool still functional with a current build for iPod Video or is there an updated/renamed version that I'm not finding? (Or is there not currently a functional tool to do the iTunesDB => Rockbox database conversion?) 01.02.18 # I wished that the graphical eq screen was fully visible on my c200 ;) (not that I happen to look at it often though...) 01.02.37 # pixelma: there's a patch in the tracker that gets it most of the way there 01.02.46 # safetydan: for the current screen or a new one? :> 01.03.27 # preglow: current. A new design will take more thinking than I've got to give right now. Though if you're good... :) 01.03.50 # mroc: I don't think anyone really knows 01.04.01 # safetydan: well, i can't think of anything better than i've mentioned in the past 01.04.28 # Bagder: haha, ok then. thanks. 01.05.44 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.05.55 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B15459.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.06.14 # mroc, why would you use a tool when Rockbox will generate the database for you, no problem? 01.07.41 Join ZincAlloy [0] (i=d9eece8f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1937575a2c10548f) 01.07.46 # hey, question 01.07.56 # krazykit: maybe i'm confused then....my understanding from reading the manual/faq was that Rockbox couldn't make use of the existing files without converting the iTunes db to Rockbox db 01.07.56 Join ajay [0] (n=ajay@c-71-235-240-18.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 01.08.17 # mroc, you just need to initialize the DB and everything will be taken care of for you 01.08.31 # about the itunesdb tool, does it make it so that playlists show up with the correct names? and what about in the file view, will the song titles show? 01.09.13 # can anyone tell me if ipodpatcher and bootloader for ipod 1G are still in SVN? when I try to install, I get a "No Ipods found" error. 01.09.43 # krazykit: ok, i'll do that then. i must have misunderstood. thanks for you help. 01.10.45 # hrmf 01.10.53 # i almost wish we didn't split lines in the manual 01.11.04 # it's so bloody boring to reformat blocks of text when you introduce changes 01.11.11 # anyone? 01.11.20 # slavik, no and no. 01.11.34 # it sounds like the tool doesn't even work anymore. 01.11.48 # then there really isnt a point for the tool is there? 01.11.58 Part mroc ("Leaving.") 01.12.09 # if you can scan through the ipod folder anyway 01.12.50 # slavik, it might be useful if someone ever had the mind to update it and make it read out playlists and such. 01.12.56 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 01.13.04 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 01.13.06 # hah, yea 01.13.35 # someone should add some options that are in the database view and not in the file view 01.13.57 # i ean 01.13.57 # pixelma: how do we introduce abbreviations, just put them in () behind the word the abbreviate at the first use? 01.13.58 # i mean 01.14.03 # otherway around 01.14.07 Part toffe82 01.15.37 # safetydan: for eq talk support, you'll ahve to add support for saying numbers with fractions in them 01.18.27 # preglow: sorry, I don't know. Not sure there even was a concensus... 01.19.12 Part ajay ("Kopete 0.11.1 : http://kopete.kde.org") 01.20.23 Quit fasmaie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.21.26 Quit n17ikh|Lappy (Connection timed out) 01.21.31 # pixelma: well, i'll just do that now, then 01.21.38 # we suddenly just use EQ with no ado 01.21.51 # i'm shortening the eq section a bit 01.22.45 Quit scorche (Nick collision from services.) 01.23.12 Join scorche [0] (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 01.23.17 Quit PaulJam (".") 01.24.37 # is it rockbox' or rockbox's ? 01.25.41 # the latter 01.26.17 # sure? 01.26.37 # that sucks, i've always used the former :/ 01.27.06 # make: /home/thomj/proj/rockbox/manual/platform/mkinfo.pl: Command not found 01.27.06 # wtf 01.27.25 # pretty sure you only do a single apostrophe after an s. 01.27.58 # okies 01.28.20 # preglow: you can ignore that 01.28.33 # pixelma: yeah, but what is it? 01.29.12 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.29.20 # hmm, i don't like that huge eq table 01.29.25 # it leaves a big hole in the previous page 01.29.30 # since it obviously can't be broken 01.29.37 # it's a bug introduced with the rockbox-info.txt - and not excluding it correctly from manual configured builds, or so 01.29.56 Join H10_007quick [0] (n=chatzill@mnet-ki-244-78-181.monarch.net) 01.30.01 Quit H10_007quick (Client Quit) 01.30.25 # i wonder if 'description' environment can't be used instead 01.31.48 # preglow: hrm, that's a point. Has anyone done thinking on how best to do that? For English it might be easy "11 point 5 decibels" but other languages? 01.32.19 # safetydan: we have other problems like that for other languages, just be english-centric for now 01.32.31 # you're not breaking anything that's not already broken 01.32.36 # true 01.32.58 # usually it worked when using "make manual" but last week I tried and for some reason "make manual" bailed out and claimed it was some latex syntax error - the simple "make" when configured for manual did not have a problem with 01.33.04 # hmm 01.33.15 # i think the description environment works ok for the eq table 01.33.23 # anyone opposed to me changing it? i don't like to waste space 01.33.34 # i could post a patch 01.33.50 Quit ZincAlloy ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 01.33.56 Join n17ikh|Lappy [0] (n=n17ikh@c-76-23-98-11.hsd1.sc.comcast.net) 01.35.34 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B15459.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.36.10 Quit amiconn (" reboot") 01.37.38 # man, ubuntu really dislikes that ":" in the manual filename 01.37.56 # Ubuntu or Gnome? 01.38.08 # bash, really 01.38.16 # www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/rockbox.pdf 01.38.22 # how about that eq section? 01.39.40 # Should really rename Band 0 to Band 1 for users. Most normal people don't count from zero. 01.39.53 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 01.39.58 # * pixelma should install a newer Adobe Reader... 01.40.04 # hrm, and Hi Shelf should be High Shelf 01.40.08 # safetydan: yes, i agree fully 01.40.10 # safetydan: fixed locally 01.40.14 # the hi shelf, that is 01.40.29 # but this is ok in comparison with the old table? 01.40.39 # this can be broken across pages and doesn't waste space 01.42.30 # preglow: yeah I think that's much better 01.42.39 # * preglow likes manual work 01.45.47 # * safetydan wishes more devs did some manual work 01.45.56 # I'm guilty of skipping it myself though 01.46.24 # i usually document my stuff, but i don't do too many new features 01.46.25 # * amiconn wonders which lossy audio format yields the smallest possible files for transparent quality (i.e. comparable to lame 3.97 --preset standard) 01.46.41 # aac or vorbis, i'm quite sure 01.46.43 Quit mirak ("Ex-Chat") 01.47.03 # at least that's pretty much what the hydrogenaudio blind tests end up with 01.47.26 # but not by much, lame is a very mature encoder 01.47.32 # Really? I only found some oldish tests, and there it was musepack 01.47.45 # vorbis and aac only beat mp3 well at lower bitrates 01.48.01 # amiconn: i don't think musepack performs so well compared to them anymore, but i might be wrong 01.48.01 # For lower bitrates, the differences between formats seem to become more apparent than in the transparent quality range 01.48.21 # amiconn: i plan to do my own tests when i'm finished ripping my cd collection to lossless formats 01.48.51 # musepack sv8 is on its way, and that should make even smaller files, though not by much 01.49.06 # psymodel is pretty much unchanged 01.49.23 # There are some hints which suggest that lame --preset standard, vorbis -q 6 and musepack -standard should be roughly equal in quality 01.49.33 # amiconn: but yeah, like you say, in the transparent range, things are very equal 01.50.21 # The vorbis website doesn't seem to state a version number at all 01.50.47 # So I cannot know whether the version used in the test is way outdated or not 01.50.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.52.17 Join lazka [0] (n=lazka@84.119.15.216) 01.52.41 # amiconn: for vorbis, i'm pretty sure the aotuv encoder is the way to go 01.52.53 # The what? 01.52.57 # the what i said :) 01.53.00 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 01.53.01 # google 01.53.02 Quit DM| ("*bashes head against keyboard*") 01.53.22 Join saratoga [0] (i=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f9c89fb27b391cfe) 01.53.30 # all new vorbis development and tuning is done by a japanese guy right now 01.53.35 # his stuff usually gets merged after a while 01.53.56 Join DM| [0] (n=dm@cpe-65-24-167-246.columbus.res.rr.com) 01.54.01 # I'm using Vorbis now but I'm wondering going back to Musepack for longer battery life 01.54.03 Join lemur [0] (n=lemur@76.89.214.49) 01.54.26 # mokkurkalve, is the difference noticable in battery life? 01.54.29 # yeah, the mpc decoder is really fast 01.54.54 # boost 0% to Vorbis 10-18% 01.55.39 # this is why I like and use FLAC 01.55.47 # though having the 80g ipod helps there 01.56.16 # Shaid, 'cept the disk spins up more often. 01.56.22 # Lossless i big foe DAP and transparency is good enough for me 01.56.43 # there's usually a downside to everything, krazykit. 01.56.59 # preglow: Long time since Monty merged in any aoutv stuff.... 01.57.15 # FLAC is nice if you have the diskspace 01.57.20 # aotuv 01.57.24 # * amiconn uses flac on his H180 01.57.56 # mokkurkalve: i know, but he has, and he will, unless he's daft or something 01.58.04 Join chris06 [0] (i=4cb01431@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-94ebebe2610ef579) 01.58.05 # aoyumi does nice work 01.58.10 # hello there 01.58.25 # have a quick tech question if you guys dont mind. 01.58.27 # and I got yelled at when I first added a flag to incorporate his patches into the gentoo vorbis ebuild. 01.58.28 # go ahead 01.58.35 # (re aotuv) 01.58.38 # lostlogic: yelled at for adding a flag? 01.58.40 # sounds bitchy 01.58.44 # amiconn: You got the MK8007GAH? 01.58.52 # yup 01.59.06 # how much did that run you, if you don't mind my asking? 01.59.10 # preglow: they're kinda bitchy nowadays, I suppose that's also how I ended up losing my commit rights ;) 01.59.10 # amiconn: cost you an arm? 01.59.20 # Not really 01.59.23 # pixelma: we only use \setting{} for actual settings, right? not setting values? 01.59.30 # lostlogic: haha 01.59.40 # i haven't used gentoo for years 01.59.47 # ~EUR 160 including shipping (from ebay.de, a year ago or so) 01.59.59 # i loaded some new themes and loaded the wps files for the playback screen but it wont change any idea how to fix it? 02.00.29 # preglow: afaics, yes 02.01.16 # I've been searching but I can't find anyone willing to ship it to Europe.... 02.01.49 # its the aurora black in particular that wont work. 02.02.43 # what's the biggest disk i can stuff in a h120? 02.02.47 # 60 gigs? 02.03.07 Quit lee-qid_ (Connection timed out) 02.03.13 # Anyone knows when Musepack sv8 support will come to RB - or a qualified guess I mean....? 02.03.52 # I would have liked MK8007GAH for my H340..... 02.03.59 # the rockvista and aurora wont load their wps correctly anyone know of a way to fix this? 02.04.08 # mokkurkalve: sure 02.04.10 Quit jmworx ("Leaving") 02.04.26 # mokkurkalve: i'm just waiting for them to release it or something 02.04.39 # when, i don't know 02.04.45 # when i have time or someone else does it first :> 02.05.05 # preglow: I'm only aware of 40GBs single platter with the right connector that were available 02.05.23 # pixelma: i don't think i dare open my h120 another time anyway, it's getting pretty shabby :) 02.05.27 # or was it 50? 02.05.28 # preglow: Yes no point in putting it into RB till they made a stable release I guess... 02.05.39 # mokkurkalve: sure there'd be a point, but i can't be bothered until then 02.05.50 # just to minimize the work i have to do 02.06.01 # sure 02.06.06 # i don't think any of the musepack guys own any rockbox targets, which sucks 02.06.29 # wasn't Buschel a musepack guy? ;) 02.06.32 # one of the original musepack creators does hang around here, though, but he hasn't expressed any interest in doing the actual sync 02.06.35 # heh 02.06.37 # pixelma: yeah, him :) 02.06.39 Join PaulPosition [0] (n=noneofye@modemcable228.133-82-70.mc.videotron.ca) 02.07.58 # Andree Buschmann or something... Yes he had the format ages ago, then Frank Klemm took over, and now it's the "Musepack team" 02.09.18 # i'd love a target with lots of storage 02.09.19 # hrm 02.09.51 # and i want a gigabeat s, but i can only find the 30 gig variety 02.10.02 # upgrading only ten gigs sucks 02.10.13 # chris06: the themes you are trying probably need patches (or an unsupported build that include those). Or they need to be updated. 02.10.47 Quit lemur_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.10.58 Quit slavik ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.13.51 Quit J3TC- (Connection timed out) 02.13.53 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC") 02.14.24 Join J3TC- [0] (n=jetc123@pool-72-76-187-15.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) 02.15.26 Quit chris06 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.15.33 # That pictureflow gadget looks nice :D Unfortunately, it gives me a Data Abor when it gets to finishing building its cache. 02.16.52 Quit Soap (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.16.53 # ..and the build's rockbox.map isn't much helpfull as it seems to imply the error is in buffering (I'm not playing any song when I try to load the plugin) 02.17.19 # pictureflow uses the buffering api, afaik 02.17.35 Join alienbiker99 [0] (n=alienbik@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net) 02.17.53 # I have a e280 also - it seems to me the FM is more noisy in RB compared to OF (unlike on my H340 - aware they have completely different radio chips) - anybody else notice this? Is it a driver issue, or some noise cancelling DSP stuff or...??? 02.19.08 Join Soap [0] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 02.19.44 # might be both, but i doubt it's the latter 02.19.53 # more than enough of other issues 02.20.24 # amiconn: what's our position on the archos replaygain patch? 02.22.19 # mokkurkalve: on the c200 (which I think uses the same tuner chip) the radio is quite unstable. Wouldn't make me wonder if there are some driver issues still that apply to the e200 too 02.23.14 # PaulPosition: it's interesting that PF causes buffering crashes for you... I'll have to check that out. wat player are you using? 02.25.34 # Nico_P H10 5gb.. Upon further investigation I can say that 60x60 cover.bmp files went alright. The cover.100x100.bmp files however crashed it. 02.26.03 # strange 02.26.03 # I'm going to remove the 60 pixel ones and batch convert again to an other size and see.. 02.26.41 # about how many covers do you have? 02.27.19 # Around 50-55 I think. 02.28.13 # 56 exactly 02.28.35 # yeah so not too much, shouldn't be a problem 02.38.04 Quit phr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.38.21 Join karashata [0] (n=Kimi@207.61.208.119) 02.38.34 Join phr [0] (n=phr@adsl-75-62-4-229.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) 02.39.10 # Nico_P - Hah, that's a weird one.. After the last try (100 x 100 but named cover.bmp) the player crashed with the same data abort error, but on restarting it this time it didn't rebuild cache (prepare art) but shown me a few 100x100 albums together with the 60x60 ones that worked previously. 02.39.57 # wow weird indeed 02.40.35 # * Nico_P needs to be off to bed 02.40.48 # Heh, good night then. :) 02.40.59 # thanks :) 02.41.11 # I'll probably pass by tomorrow and tell you if I find something about my problem. 02.41.29 # ok, sounds good 02.41.46 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 02.41.51 Quit Nico_P ("zzzz") 02.42.13 Quit advcomp2019 (Nick collision from services.) 02.42.15 Nick advcomp2019_ is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 02.43.27 Part pixelma 02.44.10 Join psycho_maniac [0] (i=psycho_m@ppp443.hk.centurytel.net) 02.50.54 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 02.53.59 Join Herky140 [0] (n=hawkeyes@c-68-41-56-45.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 02.55.24 # can anyone help me with a problem involving the evilg fusion build for a 5g 30gb ipod? 02.56.06 # Herky140: only the official Rockbox build is supported here. If you can reproduce the problem with a current build, then we can talk. 02.56.20 # do you know who I can contact? 02.56.44 # The official build works perfectly, by the way. 02.58.13 # Herky140: there may be a forum post in the unsupported builds section that you can ask for help 02.58.29 # okay. thank you! 02.58.30 Part Herky140 02.59.00 Join mattice06082 [0] (i=46b50473@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-396eda894185d2e2) 02.59.51 Quit JETC- (".UPP.") 03.04.04 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 03.06.26 Join perrikwp [0] (n=chatzill@74.167.148.160) 03.13.48 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 03.16.00 Quit mattice06082 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03.16.36 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@usw3662-s-207-244-148-63.dsl.w-link.net) 03.17.08 Quit JdGordon (Client Quit) 03.18.07 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@usw3662-s-207-244-148-63.dsl.w-link.net) 03.26.58 Join shi [0] (n=shi@216-15-126-38.c3-0.smr-ubr3.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com) 03.39.33 Join jhulst [0] (i=470a8875@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-e7d3cb9711cce51a) 03.42.03 Quit PaulPosition () 03.43.18 Join countrymonkey [0] (i=4b05639a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d8c53c0638f95c63) 03.44.16 # Hey tom, I didn't know you spoke norsk. 03.45.00 Quit BHSPitMonkey ("Leaving") 03.45.10 Quit perrikwp ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 3.0b2pre/2007121108]") 03.45.15 # and the spanish translation is going to get an update on monday since my spanish-speaking friend is going to be bored out of his wits over the weekend. 03.46.45 # glad to hear it. 03.50.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.57.35 # I asked him to translate word-for-word if he had trouble translating the whole phrase. Is this correct? 03.59.12 # and the friend said that he wanted to be a regular translator. I will be putting the translations into the .lang file and diffing it. He will just translate it (he doesn't want to deal with the lang file). 03.59.41 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.03.47 # countrymonkey: Generally it's more important to make sure people can understand what the phrase means. If he doesn't understand it, translating word for word is likely to make it harder for other people to understand too. 04.03.57 # Otherwise we could just use automated translation for all untranslated strings. 04.04.54 # Hey! That would be a good idea. Anyway, he is adept at both languages and he sais it will be a piece of cake. But why wouldn't we do auto-translation. 04.05.18 # because sometimes the translation is wrong? 04.06.08 # Not for short strings. I have experience. I translate a news article, it's hard to understand. I translate short phrases, it's like human translation. 04.10.19 # Not as much with technical terms. 04.12.55 Quit dandin1 () 04.13.24 Quit jhulst ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 04.13.41 # The problem is avoiding significant mistakes. To do so, you'd need to have someone who understands the language read through the whole automatic translation and make sure each of the strings is acceptable. At which point, why don't they just translate? 04.14.13 # Is this a deal or no deal? (yes I watch that show) 04.14.45 # I have no idea what you mean by that. 04.14.57 # I mean is this a go or a no? 04.15.09 # As i said, automatic translation is bad. 04.15.59 # it could probably be a go if your friend is very good with the translation himself. as you said he is? 04.16.16 # Then how did I crank good translation out of it? (I had to speak to someone that didn't speak english, chinese or japanese) 04.17.20 # and yes, he is native to spanish and he has people to help him if he is stuck 04.17.53 # countrymonkey: It's not 100% bad, but the problem is that it's sometimes bad, and moreso with technical terms. And a bad native string is worse than just the English string. 04.18.24 # yes. And would a japanese voice ui benefite anyone? (I am working on one) 04.22.19 # countrymonkey, it would probably help blind japanese users. 04.22.51 # So, you are saying, keep it up? 04.23.23 # And, why has nobody looked at 8132? 04.23.24 # if people dont say keep it up. i still think its a good idea to work on stuff. one day it will help some people. 04.25.16 # countrymonkey: Because people all work on different things. 04.25.19 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B15459.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.25.24 # NOBODY gets paid for this, so people are using their spare time 04.25.41 Quit DM| ("*bashes head against keyboard*") 04.25.45 # Making the language files smaller is a pretty minor patch, in terms of any benefits from it. 04.26.11 # I am still confusing this and making assumptions that refer to proprietary software *sigh* 04.27.02 # I mean it's essentially a cosmetic patch anyway 04.27.40 Quit RaRe (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 04.28.01 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよなら") 04.29.28 # and what is wrong with 6360 and why was it closed? 04.30.13 # It's a fake language? 04.30.35 # but the lag file is still on the wiki 04.30.42 # so you can get it there if you want it 04.31.35 # countrymonkey, so she would translate rockbox to Klingon and Elvish, too, if you're going to have Swedish Chef -speak? 04.31.38 # It looks real to me. How is it fake? 04.31.41 # er, should we 04.32.07 # countrymonkey, the textfilter is from the way the Swedish Chef spoke on the Muppet Show. it's not a real language. 04.32.48 Join JETC- [0] (n=jetc123@pool-72-76-187-15.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) 04.34.07 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@usw3662-s-207-244-148-63.dsl.w-link.net) 04.34.59 # What folders can I delete from my sansa e260? I have MUSIC, PHOTO, PICTURES, PLAYLISTS, RECORD, VIDEO, tmp, AND SYSTEM. 04.35.23 # Thanks. I don't watch the muppet show so I don't get it until now. 04.36.59 # psycho_maniac, the OF will recreate everything, but you should keep SYSTEM to be safe 04.37.32 # even if i just shut the player off and plug in the player? 04.37.50 # if you boot into the OF, it will recreate the files 04.38.25 # im gonna try not to do that. 04.39.22 # Heh. It'd be awesome to hear Rockbox speaking that though... 04.39.37 # Even if it made no sense. 04.39.53 # bork bork? 04.39.56 # Yes. 04.40.04 # that WOULD be cool 04.40.40 # reminds me of the recent snl skit they had about the swedish chef 04.40.46 # I wouldn't mind having Klingon for that matter. Though, I'd almost never use it... 04.41.41 # since google has funny translations would be cool if they had those. i know they only have l33t i think 04.42.23 # Question for devs: So, when the "repeat 1" mode is on, I can't skip to the next song in the playlist. If were inclined to fix this (allow skipping to previous/next track while repeat 1 is on), what source files would I look at to see about doing that? 04.42.39 # Hey. If I added a voice ui to bork bork bork and updated it (not that I can find those filters on the net), do you all think anyone would use it?\ 04.42.48 # Ugh... 1337 speak in Rockbox would suck hard... 04.43.08 # countrymonkey: I might just for kicks and giggles. 04.43.10 # countrymonkey: if not you could add it to the funnylangs wiki page? 04.43.20 # And what is this thing about funny language filters in google? 04.43.22 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 04.43.25 # I didn't know that page existed... 04.43.28 # * Mouser_X looks it up. 04.44.26 Quit karashata (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Would you like to know more?") 04.44.31 # saw it once on the frong page. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FunnyLangs 04.45.31 Join JdGordon1924 [0] (n=Miranda@usw3662-s-207-244-148-63.dsl.w-link.net) 04.47.59 Quit JdGordon (Nick collision from services.) 04.48.03 Nick JdGordon1924 is now known as JdGordon (n=Miranda@usw3662-s-207-244-148-63.dsl.w-link.net) 04.50.03 # I want to know more about where that bork bork bork translation came from. 04.50.39 # wikipedia or google should tell you unless you mean the actual translation file 04.51.00 # If you mean "where does the language itself come from", here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY_Yf4zz-yo 04.51.04 # I mean the freqin filter. I tried google. 04.53.37 Quit DaCapn (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 04.56.28 Join DaCapn [0] (n=dacapn@c-76-105-220-239.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 04.59.53 # Mand what's 1337 speak. The only weird language I know is pig latin and I am adept at translating it (it's simple) 05.01.10 # And I could do musicspeak (skipping Rs doubling consonants basicly what you do when you sing words) 05.01.33 # nobody will use them. why would you add useless languages? 05.01.44 Quit countrymonkey ("CGI:IRC") 05.02.27 Join countrymonkey [0] (i=4b05639a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9a875b80fe46c9f8) 05.02.48 # countrymonkey: 1337 = LEET speak = crap talk. 05.03.27 # 1337 = leet = elite which has it's origins way back in the mists of computing, piracy, and demo coding 05.03.54 Nick billenium is now known as BilleniumZzZ (n=billeniu@c-69-249-243-110.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 05.03.57 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.04.09 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF6415.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.04.11 Quit FunkyELF ("Leaving") 05.04.34 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leet has more than you'd ever want to know 05.08.27 # Thanks. You've got my mind set on creating a pig latin translation since I will be bored over xmas. 05.13.42 # And speaking of languages, are human voices buildable or do you have to use synthesisers? 05.15.06 # countrymonkey: it's possible to generate the voice clips from recordings of a human voice 05.15.24 # see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceBuilding#Human_Voices_under_Windows 05.15.46 # no idea if that still works though 05.16.45 # It probably doesn't because spx codecs are impossible to find. 05.17.13 # no, they aren't 05.18.04 # Instead of "run lame on all the clips" you just run rbspeexenc on all the clips. 05.18.15 # LLorean, I found foobar2000 but the command line converter is a different story. I think it was you who told me about it. 05.21.53 Quit maddler (Connection timed out) 05.22.13 # Is rockbox suitable for helping me practice my choir music? 05.23.20 # Isn't that something you kinda have to decide? 05.25.06 # I'm just unsure. 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# ok, then I'll switch to "good luck with that" as well ;-) 09.24.17 # it says its not a perfect patch 09.24.21 # but i dont see a patch at all 09.24.38 # heh, not me either 09.25.01 # oh hes doing it based on charger 09.25.08 # theres got to be something else 09.25.19 # probably just pull a pin high 09.25.45 # the factory firmware has the headphone jack enabled while charging 09.30.36 Join pradin [0] (n=pradin@psyduck-08.dynamic.rpi.edu) 09.31.22 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 09.33.13 Part Zagor ("Client exiting") 09.33.18 Join Zagor [242] (n=bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 09.33.28 Join OlivierBorowski [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-157-1-4-226.w86-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) 09.33.34 *** Server message 505: 'logbot_ :Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )' 09.33.41 Nick logbot_ is now known as logbot (i=bjst@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b84195dc72eb465b) 09.34.41 Join vaginamissle [0] (n=giantvag@ip68-225-76-85.no.no.cox.net) 09.35.09 # what is the best xvid avi to rvf convertor or is that even possible? 09.35.49 # any particular reason you want rvf? 09.36.04 # no i mean i have an ipod 5g can it just play it? 09.36.07 *** Server message 505: 'logbot :Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )' 09.36.12 # last time i used rockbox there was no video support to speak of 09.36.36 # read this http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer 09.36.47 # ty 09.36.50 # basically rockbox can play mpeg1 and mpeg2 videos 09.36.59 # you'll need to convert your videos to one of those formats 09.40.58 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 09.51.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.53.40 Join tweakme [0] (n=giantvag@ip68-225-74-239.no.no.cox.net) 09.56.13 # Quick question, is the firmware typically directly in the same partition as the music? i.e. do I risk bricking my unit if I do an fsck? (it's not rockbox I have atm, but I thought someone here would have the knowledge) 09.57.20 # typically the file systems are real, so a fsck should not hurt 10.04.33 Quit vaginamissle (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.05.47 # Zagor: "real"? 10.06.25 # jmspeex: which player do you have? 10.06.34 # iaudio 7 10.06.54 Quit OlivierBorowski (Remote closed the connection) 10.06.57 # planning to port rockbox to it? :) 10.06.59 # I accidently unplugged it while mounted and now the fs is corrupted 10.07.34 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 10.07.43 # markun: No, it was the only 16GB flash player that supports Ogg. Planning on eventually installing rockbox what it's stable 10.08.10 # jmspeex: the only way a fsck would break a filesystem is if the fs is bogus somehow with holy sections or some such 10.08.50 # jmspeex, the frontier lab nexblack supports ogg 10.08.57 # I'm mostly concerned about damaging firmware and bricking the unit 10.10.30 # great. fsck.vfat segfaults! 10.10.54 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 10.11.13 Quit ptw419 () 10.14.02 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54966AE7.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.17.45 Mode "logbot :+e" by services. 10.19.16 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 10.21.42 Quit jmspeex ("さようなら") 10.21.54 Quit perrikwp (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.26.09 Join blargit [0] (n=chris@S01060016b649355d.ed.shawcable.net) 10.26.50 Quit tweakme () 10.27.41 Quit billytwowilly (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.31.52 Quit pradin ("Leaving.") 10.33.31 #>> "explain MoB" by Zagor (n=bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 10.34.41 # woha 10.35.15 # logbot explain life, the universe and everything else 10.35.35 # logbot explain Rockbox 10.35.43 # yeah I figured we could use him to do some faq-answering 10.35.45 # who's hacking that mob thing? 10.35.58 # and a few other nifty things 10.36.18 # * petur feeds 42 into logbot answer list 10.36.36 # I need to add y'all so you can send "expadd" commands to tech it things 10.36.54 # heh 10.37.14 # let the fun begin :) 10.37.25 # logbot explain Zagor 10.38.13 # nobody except me can do anything with it yet. and when you can, please play around with private messages so we don't flood the log with testing 10.43.23 # it came here as a notice if you wanted to know 10.43.48 # advcomp2019: the explanation? 10.45.05 # Zagor, it came here like it used the /notice command 10.45.30 # advcomp2019: yes it does that to prevent auto-responses 10.45.47 # could cause nasty loops otherwise 10.45.52 # "I can hear the distortion that comes from compression" ... 10.45.59 # yeah right ;-) 10.46.16 # * Bagder reads forum 10.46.29 # Zagor, i see now that is understandable now 10.46.30 # http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211244 woo hoo 10.46.48 # whoa 10.47.27 # bah, out of stock... 10.47.36 # yeah they'll prob have more soon 10.47.44 # i just placed an order with them today before i noticed that 10.47.48 # i wonder if they had some earlier 10.47.53 # apparently they showed up a few days ago 10.47.57 # and no speed spec.... 10.48.15 # there is also this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211245 10.48.20 # well it does say "out of stock" 10.48.28 # their "speedy" line is dog slow, but heck it's for audio, slow is ok ;) 10.50.51 # zagor, yeah, something new like that shows up, it sells out after a while and they order more. i doubt there's a big shortage, they prob just placed a small order at first to gauge sales rate 10.50.55 # cf is sort of dying 10.51.02 # 16gb sdhc has been around for a while 10.52.41 # i bet they could make 64gb cf right now if they wanted 11.11.19 Join Casainho [0] (n=chatzill@81.193.28.85) 11.11.33 # hello :-) 11.12.29 Join jmspeex [0] (n=jmspeex@142.163.233.220.exetel.com.au) 11.13.47 # Can anyone help me fix that vfat fs? 11.14.42 # fsck.vfat on a second machine just tells me there's too many errors and won't do anything... while the windows fsck tells me there's no error (despite not being able to remove some folders) 11.14.58 Quit homielowe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.15.09 # you did chkdsk /f on windows? 11.17.04 # petur: No, I used the right click on the disk and then selected "check filesystem" or something. No idea what that does exactly 11.17.08 # (I'm not a Windows user) 11.17.35 # does chdsk /f do something different? 11.17.44 # open a commandline box and type chkdsk x: /f (X = drive) 11.17.54 # it gives more verbose output 11.18.09 # let me reboot that machine... 11.18.11 # start->run 'cmd' 11.18.15 # is there any risk of bricking the unit? 11.18.29 # you can run it without the /f first 11.18.36 # what's /f 11.18.42 # hat will not fix, only report 11.18.47 # +t 11.19.16 # it only writes to the disk if you specify /f 11.23.29 # Message for Nico_P: I just had a case of the "playback stops and UI returns to browser at end of track" during playback of a long playlist. Pressing PLAY resumed just fine though. 11.24.48 # petur: apparently, XP doesn't know about chdsk (or so it says) 11.25.21 # chkdsk? 11.25.30 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 11.26.00 # oops 11.31.10 # without /f, it didn't do anything useful. Trying with /f now (it's taking much longer) 11.32.34 # I already have one "recoverable error" in a folder... not good :-( 11.32.40 Join pixelma_ [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 11.33.18 Join DrCrow [0] (n=DrCrow@216-62-187.200720.adsl.tele2.no) 11.34.13 Quit pixelma (Nick collision from services.) 11.34.14 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 11.36.09 # petur: it appears to have worked. Thanks a lot 11.37.28 # not all of windows is bad ;) 11.38.07 # haha. But if the fs was ext3, I wouldn't have had this problem in the first place! 11.38.55 # sure, only fat and ntfs filesystems can get corrupted? 11.41.35 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.42.07 # petur: ext3 is journaled and fsck.ext3 is very good. I never lost anything to an ext2/ext3 fs 11.46.04 # the only times I lost data on a disk were hardware issues, no filesystem would have helped there 11.46.45 # well, I didn't include that... 11.51.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.06.01 # the future looks HDD-less :) http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/12/13/tosh_sonos_flash/ 12.11.02 Join weezerle [0] (n=weezerle@dslb-088-072-022-161.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.11.11 Quit weezerle (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.20.42 Join Flemmard [0] (n=flemmard@2a01:5d8:52e7:539e:3c30:9033:50fd:864e) 12.23.25 Join Shaid` [0] (i=shaid@124-168-89-86.dyn.iinet.net.au) 12.28.46 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@pD955B7FB.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.29.56 Quit phr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.32.34 Join phr [0] (n=phr@adsl-75-62-4-229.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) 12.33.15 Quit safetydan_ ("Leaving") 12.33.23 # jmspeex: gotten a player? 12.36.18 Quit idnar (Nick collision from services.) 12.36.20 Join idnar_ [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 12.37.40 Join karashata [0] (n=Kimi@207.61.208.119) 12.37.59 Quit Llorean (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.38.27 Join Llorean [50] (n=DarkkOne@cpe-70-113-103-34.austin.res.rr.com) 12.38.34 Quit J3TC- (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12.41.05 Quit Shaid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.41.06 Nick Shaid` is now known as Shaid (i=shaid@124-168-89-86.dyn.iinet.net.au) 12.44.26 Quit pondlife ("Read error: 110 (Connection slimed out)") 12.51.21 Nick idnar_ is now known as idnar (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 12.52.31 Nick j0tt is now known as jott (n=j@unaffiliated/jott) 12.54.57 Quit scorche (Nick collision from services.) 12.55.26 Join scorche [50] (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 13.01.49 Join lemur_ [0] (n=lemur@76.89.214.49) 13.08.51 Quit lemur (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.12.24 Join lespea [0] (n=adam@71-10-92-125.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) 13.12.41 Quit lespea (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.13.04 Join lemur [0] (n=lemur@76.89.214.49) 13.18.34 Quit lemur_ (Connection timed out) 13.37.07 Quit karashata (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The alternative IRC client") 13.39.09 Join J3TC- [0] (n=jetc123@wlrsvd-151.njit.edu) 13.43.20 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 13.51.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.53.19 Quit Lynx_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.00.07 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A3D9E.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.04.31 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet10.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 14.13.20 Join tch [0] (n=opera@adsl-lib126-153-207-85.bluetone.cz) 14.16.55 # jhMikeS: what fixed point format do you think would leave enough overhead? q24? 14.17.05 # a bitch about emac and eq filters in that case, but 14.17.55 Quit tch (Client Quit) 14.18.07 Quit axionix_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.18.34 Join axionix [0] (n=axion@cpe-74-70-239-192.nycap.res.rr.com) 14.20.56 Nick XavierGr_ is now known as XavierGr (n=xavier@ppp236-96.adsl.forthnet.gr) 14.22.44 Join Bug2000 [0] (n=bug@unaffiliated/bug2000) 14.25.59 Quit ctaylorr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.28.46 # I am pretty sure it won't, but just in case I missed something. Will Rockbox work on generic MP4 players? 14.29.02 # no 14.29.20 # not unless someone ports them 14.30.49 # rockbox only works on devices it's been ported to, you can't just run rockbox on something it's not designed to run on 14.30.56 Join Libor [0] (i=52759cea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-dc15eed1ded00f06) 14.31.24 # unlike computers, different mp3 players are all vastly different on the inside 14.32.20 # hi, I have a problem with rockboy and pokemon, I want heal my pokemons, but It froze when nurse turn to computer, can someone help? 14.32.53 Quit J3TC- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.33.01 # ... 14.33.37 # we don't really do game specific help here, sorry 14.34.19 # k, np 14.34.24 # Libor: turn on sound 14.34.41 Quit Neovanglist (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.34.47 # I will try it 14.34.52 # Llorean: never took you for an eager pokemon player :) 14.35.01 # preglow: It's come up in the forums a few times. 14.35.05 # Apparently it's an old gnuboy bug 14.35.06 # right 14.36.06 # It helps, thank Llorean very much 14.37.07 # preglow: Really? I thought all the generic ones are identical. 14.37.27 # Bug2000: i doubt it, but don't really know. still doesn't help if rockbox doesn't run on that particular strain of hardware 14.38.15 # preglow: How do I port it? XD 14.38.26 # Bug2000: reverse-engineering, inspecting hardware, and programming 14.38.31 # nu tndas tusen juleljus! 14.39.12 Quit Libor ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 14.39.15 # preglow: Sounds like too much work. I guess I'll `live` with it [Didn't buy it yet. When I'll get one, I am so going to make sure it supports ogg and midi, else I'm gonna demand a refund]. 14.39.30 # Bug2000: prepare to be refunded 14.39.35 # Bug2000: i know of no players that support midi 14.39.48 # has anyone looked at this? http://appldnld.apple.com.edgesuite.net/content.info.apple.com/iPod/SBML/osx/bundles/061-3619.20070905.iNq3b/iPod_24.1.0.ipsw 14.40.04 # Zagor: what is it+ 14.40.06 # preglow: Some of the chinese knockoffs claim to, I think 14.40.07 # it's claimed to be the ipodclassic firmware. and it sure contains a lot of ipod stuff. 14.40.10 # preglow: :( But Midi rocks! 14.40.23 # Llorean: then i stand corrected 14.40.27 # I found the whole of ipodquiz at least 14.40.33 # plain text 14.40.35 # Bug2000: Music modules are better :P 14.40.37 Quit axionix (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.40.41 # preglow: That being said, I've seen them claim lots of things they don't actually *do* :) 14.40.47 # Zagor: what about the main firmware... 14.40.49 Join axionix [0] (n=axion@cpe-74-70-239-192.nycap.res.rr.com) 14.41.04 # Llorean: nothing feels better than buying pure marketing 14.41.15 # preglow: it's a 87MB blob, so it contains a LOT of things. could be a full osx in there. 14.41.27 # Zagor: sure it's not the ipod touch firmware? 14.41.36 # don't think classic runs os x 14.42.27 # the touch firmware is at http://appldnld.apple.com.edgesuite.net/content.info.apple.com/iPod/SBML/osx/bundles/061-4036.20071107.9g3DF/iPod1,1_1.1.2_3B48b_Restore.ipsw and is even bigger 14.42.37 # rvvs89: What are those Music Modules that you speak of? 14.42.41 # the touch zip is 157MB 14.43.04 # containing one 125MB and two 18MB DMGs 14.43.20 # Llorean: Fireproff, most comman lie. 14.43.27 # Bug2000: which MP4 players were you interested in? 14.43.46 # markun: Generic stuff. 14.44.18 # Bug2000: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_file 14.44.29 # Bug2000: http://modarchive.org/ 14.44.43 # Bug2000: I was looking for MP4 players powered by the Blackfin CPU. This is what I found so far: http://130.89.160.166/blackfin-players.txt 14.45.09 # ah, mister blackfin ;) 14.45.51 # "Apple iPod S5L8702 Secure Boot" 14.46.06 # ... 14.46.28 # * preglow closes his eyes on continues on his swedish christmas carols binge 14.47.26 # maraz_: Whats Blackfin? 14.47.36 # maraz_: What are the chances I'll find those in the local store? 14.47.39 # a processor family 14.48.03 # from analog devices 14.48.12 # Bug2000: talking to me? :) 14.48.40 # >.< 14.48.42 # Opss! 14.48.48 # * Bug2000 blames xchat's tab. 14.49.11 Nick parafin|away is now known as parafin (i=parafin@paraf.in) 14.50.20 # kernelcache.release.s5l8900xrb 14.50.28 # preglow: ADI gave me this (still in transit) http://www.analog.com/en/prod/0,2877,BF548%252DHARDWARE,00.html 14.51.01 Quit Arathis (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.52.15 # markun: what, for free? 14.52.30 # "The EZ-KIT Lite ships with a 4x4 Keypad, Optical Thumbwheel, QVGA Touch Screen LCD and a 40 Gigabyte Hard Drive." 14.53.04 # petur: I might have to pay some import taxes, but they tried to pay that for me as well 14.53.16 # nice 14.53.25 Quit axionix (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.53.36 # * markun has to go now 14.53.41 # markun: Well, ya, I talked to you. 14.53.45 Join axionix [0] (n=axion@cpe-74-70-239-192.nycap.res.rr.com) 14.54.11 # Bug2000: not sure what the chances of finding them in local stores are 14.54.18 # they might be rebrnaded 14.54.28 # I.E. Hopeless. 14.54.31 Join S0uL [0] (n=asjdklf@83-215-0-57.stadt.dyn.salzburg-online.at) 14.54.54 # hiho 14.55.01 # anybody german here? 14.55.23 # Thanks anyway. 14.55.26 # * Bug2000 goes away. 14.55.28 # ich brauche hilfe beim installieren 14.55.39 # S0uL: ENGLISH ONLY! 14.55.41 Part Bug2000 ("Bug.In.Your.System") 14.55.58 # gone with a bang... 14.55.58 # alright.. 14.56.00 # S0uL: if you want to speak german, you should wait for someone who does and talk to them privately 14.56.12 # no.. english should be ok aswell 14.56.17 # S0uL: and yes, there are germans here, but i don't know if they are here right now, or if they're interested in helping you privately 14.56.18 # may you help me pls? 14.56.26 # S0uL: then you shall have no problems :) just state what you're having trouble with 14.56.34 # ok 14.56.34 # explain manual 14.56.34 # .. 14.56.48 # I dont know how to install rockbox 14.56.50 # @ my ipod 14.56.56 # old version.. nano 14.56.59 # explain install 14.57.00 # vers. 1.0 14.57.04 # http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml 14.57.08 # check out the manual for your device 14.57.20 # installation is pretty simple if you're lucky 14.57.33 # already done.. 14.57.40 # and it didn't work out? 14.57.44 # Ive already downloaded it.. 14.57.48 # but.. 14.57.52 # whats the next step 14.57.53 # ? 14.57.58 # reading it 14.58.37 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.20.164) 14.58.40 # hmm.. 14.58.53 # theres no where explained how to install.. alright? 14.58.58 # sure there is 14.59.07 # http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodnano/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 14.59.13 # read that 14.59.22 # ohh yeah 14.59.24 # thx 15.00.28 # sounds quite easy^^ 15.00.36 # well, like i said, it should be 15.06.38 # for what is the bootloader`? 15.07.13 # it's the little piece of software we use to load rockbox 15.07.42 # do I have 2 install it on my ipod if I want to use rockbox? 15.07.52 # oh yes 15.08.14 # if you use rbutil, it should be easy 15.08.26 Join MethoS-- [0] (n=clemens@pD955B9A6.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.09.24 # just go to the "installation" tab and use "install the bootloader" 15.09.33 # i did 15.09.38 # then you have it 15.09.43 # but i dont know if its installed @ the ipod 15.10.02 # have you pressed "install rockbox" too? 15.10.20 # while installing d bootloader? 15.10.20 Quit axionix (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.10.23 # after 15.10.30 # i installed rb bevore 15.10.31 # before 15.10.33 # @ first 15.10.39 # ok, then just disconnect your nano and try starting it 15.10.45 Join axionix [0] (n=axion@cpe-74-70-239-192.nycap.res.rr.com) 15.10.46 # ok sec 15.10.52 # i installed the fonts 15.10.55 # aswell 15.11.35 # hmm 15.11.41 # just Apple OS.. is there 15.11.42 # :( 15.12.11 # then you didn't install the bootloader 15.12.12 # anyone know where that page is with the hardware specs on all the players? i saw it before but can't find it now 15.12.39 # of course i did... 15.12.40 # hmm 15.13.03 # S0uL: and you are _sure_ you have installed rockbox correctly? the bootloader will boot apple os if it can't find rockbox 15.13.04 Quit advcomp2019 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.13.21 # preglow: I'm not sure if it does that reliably r ight now, actually 15.13.27 Join advcomp2019 [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 15.13.28 # Llorean: really? that sucks, why not? 15.13.33 # I dunno 15.13.35 # Llorean: does ipodpatcher do a better job? 15.13.58 # All I know is people in the forums have reported their player freezing at "cannot find rockbox.ipod" 15.14.03 # Well 'freezing' 15.14.04 # i kopied.. the exe @ my ipod.. extracted it there... 15.14.12 # thats the installation of rb 15.14.22 # do we distribute an exe? 15.14.30 # ipodpatcher.exe? 15.14.36 # hh 15.14.39 # S0uL: what was the exe called? 15.14.40 # soorry zip 15.14.44 # S0uL: ah, good 15.14.53 # S0uL: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodPatcher' 15.14.59 # sorry, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodPatcher 15.15.06 # S0uL: download that exe and run it 15.15.30 # yes 15.15.37 # i and enter 2 install 15.15.39 # ok.. done 15.15.40 # S0uL: preferably, run it in a command line windows 15.15.45 # S0uL: that will tell you if something goes wrong 15.16.12 # sorry.. i dont know where the windows command line is^^ 15.16.19 # but i installed it 15.16.20 # start -> run -> "cmd.exe" 15.16.25 # S0uL: well, does it work now, then? 15.16.34 # now there is: press enter to exit ipodpatcher 15.16.40 # pressed enter.. 15.16.41 # ahh,. ok 15.16.43 # and now? 15.16.48 # phr: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart 15.16.48 # well, try starting your ipod again 15.17.22 # uhuuuu 15.17.30 # rockbox boot loader version 2.0 15.17.32 # yesss baby 15.17.33 Quit marcosource (Remote closed the connection) 15.17.36 Join marcosource [0] (i=marco@cakebox.net) 15.17.42 # thanks thanks, thannnnkkksss!!! 15.17.51 # ohhh 15.17.53 # hehe shit 15.17.58 # cant load rockbox 15.17.59 # hahaha 15.18.06 # file not found^^ 15.18.29 # hmm 15.18.50 # sounds like the bootloader 15.19.11 # sounds bad^^ 15.19.11 # sounds like you didn't extract the rockbox.zip (properly) 15.19.27 # S0uL: it says 'can't load rockbox.ipod' ? 15.19.50 # mhm cant load rockbox.ipod: 15.19.53 # file not found 15.19.58 # S0uL: then you didn't extract that zip properly, but you now have a bootloader 15.20.16 # S0uL: so as soon as you extract the zip properly, you should have a working rockbox 15.21.58 # amiconn: have we updated the nano/5g bootloaders yet? 15.22.11 # petur, thanks 15.22.48 # would you mind putting that into the doc section of the twiki index? i don't have an account right now 15.23.00 Join karashata [0] (n=Kimi@207.61.208.119) 15.23.10 # phr: it is... 15.23.39 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex under General Information 15.23.43 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 15.23.51 # item 5 15.23.59 # brb 15.24.13 # aha, thanks 15.24.29 # hmm 15.24.54 # my pc doesnt find my ipod anymore^^^allthough its connected 15.25.56 # S0uL: Restart it into disk mode 15.26.14 # Standard procedure for anything involving iPod hacking 15.26.26 # s/hacking/installing the fruits of someone else's hacking/ 15.26.37 # how do i restart it into disk mode? 15.26.38 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet10.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 15.26.41 # if i restart my ipod 15.26.44 # follow the instructions it gave you to put it into disk mode manually (on the screen with the error message "can't find rockbox.ipod" it tells you) 15.26.51 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.26.53 # i just see the screen with the boot loader 15.27.10 # S0uL: which says..... 15.27.59 # Rockbox boot loader... 15.28.04 # Version: 2.0 15.28.16 # Ipov version: blabla 15.28.26 # partitipation: 1 15.28.36 # loading rockbox... 15.28.40 # error! 15.28.41 # pastebin yo 15.28.50 # cant load rockbox 15.28.55 # file not found 15.29.06 # hold menu + select to 15.29.14 # reboot then select + play 15.29.20 # for disc mode 15.29.46 # thats it 15.29.49 # So, do it 15.29.51 # but its not working ^^ 15.29.53 # Did you even read it? 15.29.54 # hehe i did hehe 15.29.57 # yes sure 15.30.18 # http://ipodlinux.org/Key_Combinations 15.30.29 # Slightly more verbose explanation of the last three lines 15.34.14 # was jhMikeS getting a Gigabeat S too ? 15.34.32 # or did I imagine that ? 15.35.03 # I said he was getting one... don't know if he actually did though 15.35.18 # I could have sworn I saw him say it himself too :) 15.35.36 # you told me preglow was getting one too, that's the only person I've not seen it from directly I think 15.36.07 # he seemed lesscertain then jhMikeS 15.36.16 # ah 15.36.17 # but he did say he wanted one 15.36.46 # do we have any clearer idea on where we're hanging up now? Or are we still just suspicious of interrupts ? 15.38.21 # jhMikeS got one 15.38.28 # don't know if he has, but it was on its way at a certain point in time 15.38.32 # i'm the one only talking about it :) 15.39.03 # i just figured i'd roll on over christmas and see how i am with cash at that point 15.39.18 # i've got this knack at being low on it 15.40.12 # preglow: did jhMikeS say if he actually ordered it? 15.40.18 # i think he did, yes 15.41.38 # cool :) 15.44.21 # yes, at least you'll have the low level side of things covered, heh 15.44.36 # though i fancy having a shot at that too, but i guess it'll be covered once i finally get one, heh 15.44.39 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 15.44.51 Quit karashata (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- \o/") 15.45.36 # hmm, the supression of "cancelled" when you didn't move in the settings list (i.e. enter the setting and immediately back out again) seems to be broken.. and wasn't it agreed on getting rid of it at all again? 15.45.56 # i think so 15.46.02 # but it never did happen 15.48.57 Join pondlife [50] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 15.51.11 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.53.35 Quit S0uL ("Ich denke, dass ich nicht weiss... bin ich also... ?") 15.54.12 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet11.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 15.55.43 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/developer/desowin) 15.56.57 Part LinusN 15.58.56 Join jac0b-work [0] (n=jac0b-wo@155.109.5.245) 15.59.04 Part jac0b-work 15.59.57 # We use code from ffmpeg, right? 16.00.19 # yes, the flac decoder 16.01.07 # Right. Just curious, as we're not in the "these projects incorporate work from ffmpeg" list, and was wondering if we ought to drop them a note and see if they know. 16.01.17 Part hcs 16.01.53 # Llorean: maybe ask the guys in #ffmpeg-devel 16.04.07 # shorten too 16.04.31 # so yeah, we definitely belong in that list 16.04.57 # the Shorten and WMA decoder in RB is also originally from ffmpeg I think.... 16.05.01 # And AAC? 16.05.06 # ahh, yeah, wma to 16.05.08 # * preglow slaps head 16.05.08 # no aac 16.05.13 # that's faad, unfortunately 16.05.17 # Ah, Right 16.05.20 # ffmpeg doesn't have AAC 16.05.25 # not yet 16.05.27 # Just like they don't have mp3 16.05.37 # i hang in #ffmpeg-devel, i could tell them 16.05.46 # where's this list? 16.05.51 # Llorean: they have mp3 16.05.57 # http://ffmpeg.mplayerhq.hu/projects.html 16.06.01 # preglow: libmp3lame, isn't it? 16.06.10 # libavcodec/mpegaudio.c 16.06.14 # hmm 16.06.16 # That's not just mp2/mp1? 16.06.29 # nah, mpegaudioenc.c 16.06.32 # looks like a complete encoder 16.06.34 # but not a very good one... 16.06.37 # Odd 16.07.07 # Well, I always roll my own with lame anyway, because the one in ubuntu's repository is mp3-less entirely 16.07.22 # * Nico_P read an interesting blog post about natural sorting and found a nice implementation 16.08.01 Join scorche|w [0] (n=42c007b2@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 16.08.35 # Llorean: ahh, almost seems like its layer 2 only, yeah 16.09.20 # they also have a flac encoder now. I wonder if the resulting files differ in size from the official encoder 16.11.13 # preglow: Are you on the ffmpeg-devel list? 16.11.22 # Llorean: nope 16.11.28 # * Llorean doesn't feel like signing up for the list if he can avoid it, but would also hate to email into it without being on it. 16.11.33 # Llorean: i can, though 16.11.41 # i think i'll try to hang there and see if it's interesting 16.11.48 # Llorean: they are also on freenode 16.11.49 # pondlife: just got another freeze on M5, this time browsing the menus and .talk clips are turned off... 16.11.58 # markun: I went to their channel, and they suggesting sending to the list 16.12.04 # aha 16.12.06 # preglow: If you could let them know then, that'd be great. :) 16.12.28 # sure 16.13.24 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A37E6.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.13.36 # pixelma: Any voice enabled? During playback? 16.13.53 # no playback, voice menus enabled 16.14.05 # (and voice file present) 16.14.12 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 16.15.17 # just did a test and ffmpeg's produced flac was smaller than flac -8 and went a lot faster 16.21.03 # markun, which version of the flac reference encoder? i think much of ffmpeg's improvements went into 1.2.1 16.23.03 # 1.1.2 16.23.11 # I'll update and try again 16.23.14 # later 16.28.41 Join stewball`ghost [0] (n=WTFOMGBB@91.106.170.194) 16.34.49 # Llorean: done 16.35.46 # Thanks 16.36.35 Join DrCrow_ [0] (n=DrCrow@216-62-187.200720.adsl.tele2.no) 16.36.35 Quit DrCrow (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.45.33 Join DrCrow [0] (n=DrCrow@216-62-187.200720.adsl.tele2.no) 16.46.26 Join DefineByte [0] (n=defineby@bb-87-81-195-5.ukonline.co.uk) 16.48.01 # Anyone willing to commit FS#8313? 16.48.30 # changes 'web site' to 'website' in the manual. 16.48.53 # which i believe was agreed on here a while back 16.49.04 Join OlivierBorowski [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-157-1-4-226.w86-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) 16.51.30 Quit MethoS-- ("Konversation terminated!") 16.55.01 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@pD955B9A6.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.56.17 # DefineByte: one would need your complete real name to commit it... (I might do it later but also working on some other things in the manual myself atm) 16.57.36 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.57.51 Quit CaptainSquid ("Miranda IM!") 17.01.22 # Llorean: haha, and already i'm gathering shit for having told them 17.01.38 Join PaulPosition [0] (n=noneofye@modemcable228.133-82-70.mc.videotron.ca) 17.01.50 # preglow: such as ? 17.02.55 # haha, for not linking to their website or pointing out exactly where their source is, apparently 17.03.58 Quit DrCrow_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.07.39 # they're joking I hope 17.08.34 # http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2007-December/039245.html 17.09.04 # he kind of makes it sounds like we're breaking some law by not linking to them and offering their source code on the front page 17.10.13 Join Flemmard` [0] (n=flemmard@2a01:5d8:52e7:539e:3c30:9033:50fd:864e) 17.10.13 # what a 17.13.12 # they can help themselves to patches too 17.15.00 # Nico_P - Just to let you know that whatever the name (cover or cover.100x100) I do get a 'data abort at 00008684 (0)' when the 'preparing album artwork' completes. If I look at /rocks/demos/pflow/ it seems to generate all the raw files (I get same number as with 90x90 res that does work), it generates the 'ready' file, but it doesn't generate the 'pflow.config' file. 17.16.22 # PaulPosition: ok, thanks. I assume you have the latest svn rev? (15913) 17.16.31 # Nico_P - Still might be something with my particular device as I seen a youtube vid of your plugin used on the same player. 17.17.03 # that could be a different version 17.17.15 # (Oh weird.. If I hit 'up' after the data abort I also get a "undefined instruction at 0010D7AC (0)" 17.17.33 Join Frazz [0] (n=Fraser@thelawsons.plus.com) 17.17.39 # * GodEater_ has now run it on a Gigabeat F, and a 5.5G ipod. 17.17.45 # no problems on either 17.18.14 # It might be, yes... I'm using the version I dled 15 minutes before talking with you yesterday night... 17.18.45 # PaulPosition: could you please check? 17.18.50 # Nico_P - but I'll update just for kicks.. although changes in voicing shouldn't affect me much :) 17.19.16 # * PaulPosition starts up the vmware player 17.20.07 # which target you testing on PaulPosition ? 17.20.38 # GodEater - H10, 5gb. 17.20.55 # just another portalplayer one then :) 17.21.40 # btw, where could I read about changing the manual (LaTEX, html, ???) ... There's still no Fm-Radio mention in the H10s manuals. 17.22.06 # google for latex ? 17.22.36 # http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/info/lshort/english/lshort.pdf 17.22.39 # or possibly just Tex 17.22.45 # PaulPosition: good reminder... _should_ be easy 17.22.54 # latex might end up with all sorts of odd things in your search results ;) 17.22.55 # the not so short introduction to latex 17.22.56 # but I wasn't aware of it... ;) 17.24.34 # Heh, I guess it makes sense. I'm more worried about the branching out, defining buttons thing... Isn't the manual built like some freakin' tree to spare the need to repeat the same thing 26 times? 17.25.01 # * Nico_P has a natural sorting patch that adds 628 bytes to the gigabeat build and doesn't only do prefixes 17.25.08 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 17.25.11 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp70-151.adsl.forthnet.gr) 17.25.13 Quit Flemmard` (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17.25.29 Quit Flemmard (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17.26.02 Join Flemmard [0] (n=flemmard@2a01:5d8:52e7:539e:3c30:9033:50fd:864e) 17.27.29 # PaulPosition: yes and there is a simple "switch" in the platform files (I hope that's all it needs) 17.28.17 # I'll have a look.. Is that manual stuff downloaded with svn by default? (or does svn dl everything, unlike csv before it?) 17.30.20 # the manual stuff is in an own (surprise) "manual" directory in the svn tree. I already did the change, going to test compile now... 17.30.37 # Oh cool.. thanks. :) 17.37.35 # ok it needs a bit more than just enabling - I also need to fill out the button table... 17.38.48 # Nico_P - Just to confirm I get the exact same error with current build. Compiling gives no error or warning, but should I dl one from the rockbox.org site just to make sure? 17.39.01 # PaulPosition: no need 17.40.54 # Nico_P - Any idea what I should check..? Try with 99x99 or 101x101.. unload database from ram? no dir-cache? .. Anyway as I said, it works at least in 90x90 so it's not like *I* need more, I'd just like to help pinpoint the culprit. 17.41.50 # PaulPosition: if you are compiling yoursele, you could try a few changes in pictureflow.c:main 17.42.39 # from your description the crash comes either from the call to create_empty_slide or the call to free_buffers. try disabling one then the other to see which crashes 17.43.05 Join Slavik0329 [0] (i=c72b3082@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-16e3b7a6b6f904a5) 17.46.09 # I'll have a look but I can't guarantee I'll understand anything :p 17.46.42 # PaulPosition: seen PM? 17.47.02 # pixelma - nope, will have a look 17.49.17 Join Crash91 [0] (n=Crash91@41.232.207.234) 17.49.28 Quit MethoS- (Remote closed the connection) 17.51.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.54.43 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@usw3662-s-207-244-148-63.dsl.w-link.net) 17.56.06 # one has to love those LaTeX warnings like "Underfull \hbox (badness 1337) in paragraph at lines 114--114" :> 17.56.12 Join phade [0] (i=phade@78.104.9.177) 17.57.23 Part phade 17.58.00 # erm, im not sure if anyone is aware, but pictureflow on the sansa still has "could allocate temporary buffers" instead of couldnt 17.59.13 # Crash91: that means you need to update 18.00.03 # i used the buld from the day the spelling mistakes correction, but just wanted to make sure 18.00.52 # Crash91: use the one from today, or better: the current one 18.01.29 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3083.gwdg.de) 18.01.34 # pixelma: I have to say, I just ignore them >.> 18.04.51 # I usually do too but "badness 1337" caught my eye :) 18.06.51 # Nico_P - Let's say I build pictureflow.c without the call to free_buffers(), (actually, I changed it to return true no matter what) what should happen? (I'm sure the problem isn't with the ready file as upon verification, it too got generated) 18.07.11 # (err.. I meant the "empty slide" file 18.07.37 # PaulPosition: I'm not sure, but if there is no crash then it probably means the crash was there 18.08.05 # Heh.. We'll see in a few minutes I guess :p 18.08.47 # I'm off, but I'll read the logs when I get back in roughly 45 minutes 18.08.57 # But I wonder why my player would crash on emptying buffers.. some sort of deletion overflow? (technically challenged here, I guess it shows) 18.09.07 # Nico_P no problem man. :) 18.09.34 # PaulPosition: create_empty_slide is a more likelu candidate to me 18.09.40 # * Nico_P fades away 18.15.54 # pixelma: Shows how little attention I pay to them, I didn't even notice that xD 18.15.56 Quit stewball`ghost (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18.17.51 Quit desowin (Remote closed the connection) 18.19.21 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@e180241000.adsl.alicedsl.de) 18.37.51 Quit Gnu47 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.41.15 Join Neovanglist [0] (i=Neovangl@chrisg.phx.neovanglist.net) 18.41.17 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 18.41.28 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 18.43.32 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/developer/desowin) 18.48.57 Join RichiH [0] (i=richih@freenode/staff/richih) 18.48.58 # hi 18.49.31 # i got a request by zagor to cloak logbot, linusn confirmed the claim but it turns out he is not the gc 18.49.40 # so, the real gc please poke me and confirm :) 18.50.14 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 18.50.45 # RichiH: the real GC is gone 18.51.03 # hence why the channel contacts have been changed 18.53.07 # see PM 18.56.04 Quit Crash91 ("Leaving") 18.57.19 # * petur wonders what's a GC 18.57.43 # group contact 18.58.06 # could have guessed that ;) 18.58.12 # see http://freenode.net/group_registration.shtml 18.59.23 # and who is ours? 18.59.47 # one of the Swedes? 19.00.43 # no...i *think* it is t0mas, but i shouldnt really need to track him down again...but i probably will just to have the GC changed for future reference 19.01.41 Join LinusN [200] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 19.04.43 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpnf129.ugent.be) 19.08.25 Part LinusN 19.09.41 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.09.51 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B167DC.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.09.55 Quit petur ("work->home") 19.10.36 Quit mf0102 ("Verlassend") 19.10.37 Join Mathiasdm2 [0] (n=Mathias@vpnf129.ugent.be) 19.14.49 # Nico_P - (for when you're back).. I tried a few things. Commenting out both, or one of the rb->buffclose() got me pass the data-abort but only so far : black screen with the name of the album at the bottom but frozen player. 19.15.03 Quit Casainho ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") 19.15.20 # PaulPosition: ok 19.15.29 # Nico_P - Commenting out the whole call to create_empty_slide() however got me a working plugin. 19.15.33 # black scren isn't very suprising I guess 19.15.36 # ah 19.15.51 # Nico_P : So I guess the buffer thing was a red herring, like you thought. 19.16.30 # PaulPosition: actually no, create_empty_slide uses the buffering calls 19.16.44 # pixelma: I have four patches up now.: #8309, #8313, #8315 and #8316 19.17.01 # no pressure :D 19.17.03 # I still can't see why it wouldn't work with 100x100 art while it works perfect with 60, 80 or 90 px ones.. And it certainly works alright on everyone else's device since 100x100 is what most have tested with.. :puzzled: 19.17.38 # PaulPosition: maybe your particular configuration puts you in a corner case 19.17.53 Join mrkiko [0] (n=mrkiko@adsl-ull-56-201.42-151.net24.it) 19.18.22 # ciao 19.18.24 Quit DefineByte ("Leaving.") 19.18.24 # Nico_P : Reset settings. Only database, database in ram and dir cache, but I tried without db in ram and dircache with same problems. 19.18.29 Quit pondlife ("Read error: 110 (Connection slimed out)") 19.18.45 # Nico_P : Or did you mean hardware configuration? 19.19.12 # I meant the size and number of cover art bitmaps 19.20.04 # Nico_P : Perhaps.. Although I'm pretty limited by a small disk (5gb) so I don't dare imagine what a loaded up 80gb device would cause :o 19.21.00 # whoa, logbot *finally* learned to explain again? :) 19.21.57 # hrm? 19.23.36 # [10:33:32] logbot explain MoB 19.23.36 # [10:33:34] -logbot- 'MoB' Metadata On Buffer. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MetadataOnBuffer 19.24.15 # heh...maybe they did something after i brought the topic up recently 19.24.19 #>> "used to be able to explain a couple of things years ago. That feature got lost during a server upgrade or somesuch" by amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 19.24.38 # I still have that old list of explainable things 19.24.55 Join Redbreva [0] (n=Miranda@host86-144-108-57.range86-144.btcentralplus.com) 19.25.12 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 19.25.15 # in that case, i have a few things to teach the guy 19.27.34 Quit Mathiasdm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.32.15 Quit phr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.34.26 Join phr [0] (n=phr@adsl-75-62-4-229.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) 19.36.06 # How many asre in your opinion aproximately rockbox users? A big or small number? I ask this to you since I don't have access to web-site logbs and such... 19.37.26 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 19.39.27 # it is too hard to tell, really, as some peopel update once per day, and some update once every few months 19.40.02 # you can see counts for oct here http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2007/11/06/rockbox-downloads-oct-2007/ 19.40.27 # boot-loaders downloading may be more precise probably <:) 19.40.32 # * sorry 19.40.33 # :) 19.42.42 Part toffe82 19.43.02 # good... 19.47.51 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@pD955B9A6.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.48.01 Join kugel [0] (i=kugel@unaffiliated/kugel) 19.49.41 # yes, but we cant monitor that easily due to how the download server is done 19.51.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.54.15 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 19.56.26 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 19.57.48 # * RichiH pokes scorche|w 19.58.00 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.58.12 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF6415.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.58.13 # oi ompaul :) 20.01.19 Join perrikwp [0] (n=chatzill@74.167.148.160) 20.04.17 Join sindre [0] (i=50ca51a5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a22f09cf8ebf613c) 20.04.26 Quit sindre (Client Quit) 20.08.15 Join webguest28 [0] (i=50ca51a5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5b3c620b0ecc7028) 20.09.17 Join sindre [0] (i=50ca51a5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1bc2c05f9cd20a73) 20.09.17 Quit webguest28 (Client Quit) 20.09.19 # hey i have a question 20.09.37 # i tried playing a midi file but then got "No Intruments Found" 20.10.38 # you have to plugin a keyboard and a bass and a guitar and so on :^ 20.10.49 # just kidding :x 20.11.00 # haha, you need a patchset... 20.11.17 # lol 20.11.18 # the sounds for a keyboard, bass, guitar.. :-) 20.11.23 # Slavik0329: see PluginMidiPlay in the wiki 20.11.24 # how do i get that? 20.11.24 Quit sindre (Client Quit) 20.11.45 # ahh, thanks 20.12.26 Join sindref [0] (i=50ca51a5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5fb0a4333e45147e) 20.12.39 # i searched the wiki i cant find it :( 20.12.46 # RichiH: sorry..using CGI:IRC, which doesnt really alert me well when i get pinged :) 20.12.53 # neverminf i did 20.13.15 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 20.14.30 # logbot is now cloaked 20.14.33 # anyone ever purchased another battery for the iaudio x5? 20.14.38 # should i watch out for anything? 20.14.47 # scorche: ^ 20.14.54 # RichiH: thanks :) 20.14.57 # np 20.15.03 # or even better could someone recommend me a shop preferebly europe/germany? 20.16.56 # You'd have better luck inquiring on an iAudio specific forum... 20.17.30 # alright 20.17.30 # RyoS: there is iaudiophile , but if you wait around, there is a chance someone familiar with this may speak up 20.17.38 # i already looked at iaudiophile 20.17.44 # ah, hehe yes :) 20.17.57 # scorche|w: you mean the bettery lifetime? 20.18.07 # i just testet the OF and it was almost as bad as with rockbox 20.18.14 # just a little tiny bit better 20.18.45 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 20.18.51 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 20.18.56 # i already forgot how to navigate that OF.. 20.18.59 # how i love rockbox <3 20.19.11 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.19.28 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF6415.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.23.31 # According to the new theme "slant" for the ipod nano posted a few weeks ago, it says that despite the theme is able to view album art, it doesn't require any additional patches. Today I reinstalled rockbox on my nano, due to some error I couldn't fix. I have downloaded the latest build. But the album art doesn't work despite the description for the "slant" theme stated that album art patches are included in the 20.23.56 Join neep [0] (i=180e6957@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-887b19a8c0d269d3) 20.24.21 # sindref: your message ends with: are included in the 20.24.26 # Sindref - Do you have a cover.bmp file for each of your albums? 20.25.16 # ooo did i come in on album art problems? because i can't seem to get the resize to work all the time 20.25.29 # I am sorry, didn't know there was a message limit here. I'll repost the message in pieces:) 20.25.53 # n the latest build. Therefore, I cannot understand why I am not able to view the album art? And yes, I have the bitmap files named in the containing folder as cover.bmp. Could the error be that the the bitmap file size is 200X200 pixels? 20.25.59 # sindref: well, the limit depends on the client you are using, but ultimately, there is a limit in the protocol 20.26.02 # I used the nClix build before I got the error (which is the reason I reinstalled rockbox), and back then it worked fine with the bitmap files I have. 20.26.07 # neep - There's no bitmap resizing at the moment... 20.26.07 # well, RFC i should say 20.26.43 # there isnt? thats really weird, some of my art actually does resize on my wps 20.26.46 # the same to sindref: bmp resize is not in svn, so you bmps are probably too big.. 20.26.54 # neep - You sure it isn't just cropped? 20.27.09 # yeah, positive, i double checked to make sure i wasn't going crazy 20.27.18 # Domonoky - My "too big" bitmaps are usually cropped at the bottom-right.. 20.27.59 # neep - You using custom build with old bmp-resize patch or plain svn ?!? :o 20.28.35 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-024-163-032-204.nc.res.rr.com) 20.28.51 # I am not 100% sure what you mean now. The build I use is downloaded from rockbox.org, no modifications at all. 20.29.19 # plain svn from a week ago 20.29.27 # should the resize not be happening? haha 20.29.29 # Before the error I had which is the reason I reinstalled I used a custom build called nclix. 20.31.05 # So it is absolutely true that album art is included with the latest builds? I just won't believe it:P 20.31.29 # sindref: look at the commit log... 20.31.30 Join rp- [0] (n=rp@193.154.222.107) 20.31.48 # sindref - Try resizing ONE of your bmp to slant's standard size for your device (open slant's .wps file and search for a line like "%Cl|34|12|c60|c60|") 20.32.08 # ..and then try this one album to see if the bmp size is the culprit of your problem... 20.32.11 # Hi, could someone hint me to the where i can add something to the context menu? 20.32.19 # +file 20.32.21 # Will do. 20.32.43 # Scorche: what is the commit log and where can I find it? Sorry if that's a dumb question. 20.33.29 Join ze [0] (i=ze@cpe-76-175-22-254.socal.res.rr.com) 20.33.47 # sindref - Trust us, album art *IS* in svn and has been for a good month or so. 20.33.53 # sindref: how are your files named (do they contain .200x200.bmp perhaps)? 20.34.25 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@79.16.206.202) 20.34.46 # nope, they are named cover.bmp, nothing more nothing less. Working on resizing to 50X50 pixels to see if that's the problem. 20.35.18 # sindref - But you can get to svn log by going to rockbox.org homepage.. There are the last few changes, but if you click 'subversion' you'll get a few more.. And then you can click at the bottom of the screen for "last 4 weeks" or the last years or whatever.. 20.35.36 # sindref: and they're 24 bit too, right? 20.36.26 # I am quite sure, but cannot guarantee. 20.37.20 # It's working!! 20.38.06 # Thanks for the help everyone:) 20.41.21 # sindref - nice... Now I'd suggest finding out (through the .wps file) the exact dimension it wants so you're not stuck with smallish 50px pics ;-) 20.41.46 # (Well, if the wps expects larger than 50px that is...) 20.45.28 # The description of the theme says that it uses 50X50, and that's quite normal for the nano anyways. 20.47.03 # True.. :) 20.48.11 Join stewball [0] (n=WTFOMGBB@91.106.170.194) 20.50.10 Quit ompaul (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.50.19 # How do I get pictureflow on my ipod? 20.51.10 # Slavik - It's in svn... If you download a current build you should get it. Read http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginPictureFlow too... :) 20.52.12 # My build is from a week ago 20.52.22 # were there any updates wince then? 20.52.27 # since* 20.52.33 # There are *always* updates. 20.52.54 # The pictureflow one dates back two days, so your build won't have it for sure :) 20.53.27 # oh snap 20.53.29 # thanks 20.54.35 # when upgrading rockbox on the player, i assume it wipes all personal settings? 20.54.39 # if i use the automatic downloader what should i do? 20.54.59 # Never used it, I wouldn't know. 20.55.19 # does it wipe setting when you reflash? 20.56.12 # I am not an expert here, but I believe you can export all your settings to a .cfg file, and then use the config file when you have reinstalled rockbox 20.57.31 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 20.57.40 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 20.58.57 # Slavik0329: it should reset your settings, but you can always export them as said 20.59.08 # s/should/shouldn't 21.00.29 Quit Slavik0329 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 21.02.33 Join TMM [0] (n=hp@ip565b35da.direct-adsl.nl) 21.06.45 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 21.10.55 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 21.12.38 Join insanepyro [0] (n=lost@24-231-203-94.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) 21.15.30 # Hello all, I was wondering if someone could help me with a database problem? I am an Ipod video 80gig, and I deleted all my old ipod files (the whole .ipod foler), and have copied a few albums to my rockbox and now want to update my database. However, when I go to build a new database, it doesnt find my new mp3s, flacs, and mp4s. It just stays at "0 found". I have let it run for about 20 min. now, and no change. 21.16.41 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 21.17.11 # what .ipod folder? 21.17.29 # do you mean .rockbox?...and if so, did you copy over a new one from the current build page? 21.18.03 # its the folder left over from the old apple firmware. It had all my old ipod songs and the ipod database. It was outside of the .rockbox folder, in the root directory. I did not delete the .rockbox folder. 21.18.55 # what version of rockbox are you running? 21.19.16 Quit Mathiasdm2 ("Ik ga weg") 21.19.47 # version: r15727-071120 21.19.52 # latest build, i think 21.21.16 Join handmadematters [0] (n=handmade@62.174.113.20.dyn.user.ono.com) 21.22.06 # that isnt...could you please update to the current build? 21.22.43 # yes, thanks, I did not realize that. Lets see if that does the trick. 21.23.08 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 21.24.21 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 21.24.31 # the current build is updated anywhere from ~3-10 times a day, so people usually arent running the current build ;) 21.25.20 Quit RaRe` (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.26.27 # ;-) haha i had no idea :) 21.26.49 # im having a hard time finding how to update the build, is it just a matter of copy and paste into the .rockbox folder? 21.26.55 # yes 21.27.02 # well, not exactly 21.27.08 # ... 21.27.11 # just extract the entire zip tot eh root of the device 21.27.27 # s/tot eh/to the 21.28.03 # so just unzip that unnamed folder into the root, and it will take care of the rest? sorry, im a bit new to the firmware; though I have been reading the guides. 21.28.36 Quit advcomp2019 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.31.30 # it shouldnt be unnamed (although if you are on a *nix-based system it is likely hidden) 21.31.39 # preglow: Yes, I've got an iaudio 7 21.32.28 # hmm, just did the update, didnt wipe any of my settings.. kind of nice but i expected otherwise 21.32.31 # lol haha opps, it was named .rockbox, but windows xp didnt show that inside the zip folder. 21.33.05 # neep: did you want them to be reset? 21.33.25 # nope, im just pleasantly surprised :) 21.34.05 # that was changed a number of months back 21.34.25 # im new to rockbox, actually, this is my first update ive done on it 21.35.26 # It would be annoying for the developers if the settings were wiped on each "install", as they tend to install often... 21.35.48 # yeah i can imagine 21.36.37 Join Soaa [0] (n=Soaa@dsl-150-200.aei.ca) 21.37.33 # grrrr it looks like its doing the same thing again. The hard drive spins up for a second, and then it stops and finds nothing new on my ipod 21.37.51 # Hello everyone. 21.38.04 # is there a folder I must set for this, or does the database scan the whole ipod? 21.38.50 # insanepyro: Almost the whole ipod. Not the .rockbox folder... 21.39.13 # insanepyro: how did you transfer the files and what format are they? 21.40.16 Join Gnu47 [0] (i=Gnu47@private.ntwk.thita.net) 21.40.27 # sorche: I transfered them as a copy/paste into a folder in the root directory called "Music" and "Unsorted & New". They are in three formats: flac, mp3, and mp4 21.42.41 # And you can see them in the file browser and play them and everything? 21.43.13 # yes, they play fine when I go to the file browser. I want to use the database though, so I can play all my files on shuffle. 21.43.29 # nm I fixed it 21.43.48 # just deleted two database files, and now its finding everything :) 21.44.26 # perhaps their files were bugged or corupted by something I did :) 21.46.02 # Man I really like this rockbox firmware. It does so much! :) 21.46.31 # has anyone had any luck with the bmp resizing for album art patch? 21.47.13 # thanks for all your helps guys. Im off to listen to my collection on suffle! peace 21.47.16 Quit insanepyro () 21.47.21 # The issue I had? If you are thinking of that, it's resolved. 21.47.27 # jmspeex: are we doing a port for that? :) 21.47.59 # just the resizing thing, i have album art working and all, but i still cant figure out why some of my album art seems to auto resize but some doesnt 21.48.15 # patch free, straight from svn 21.49.07 Join sarixe [0] (n=sarixe@ool-435403e9.dyn.optonline.net) 21.49.13 # preglow: yes, port to the Iaudio 7 has started... look at the table when you configure... ;) 21.50.10 # * pixelma points to TMM too 21.50.28 # didn't he brick his? :> 21.50.35 Quit petur ("switching") 21.50.44 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 21.51.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.51.27 # according to linuxstb he got a replacement 21.51.56 # ahh, yeah, that's right 21.54.35 Join DM| [0] (n=dm@cpe-65-24-167-246.columbus.res.rr.com) 21.55.53 # preglow: I heard there was one in progress. For now, I'm using the original firmware, which supports Ogg 21.56.08 # (they even support FLAC) 21.59.49 # not bad 22.02.31 Nick advcomp2019_ is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 22.03.00 Join Soaa_ [0] (n=Soaa@dsl-150-200.aei.ca) 22.03.06 Quit perrikwp ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 3.0b2pre/2007121108]") 22.05.30 Join faemir [0] (n=daniel@85-211-149-147.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk) 22.08.13 Quit Soaa_ ("Leaving") 22.08.58 Quit DM| ("*bashes head against keyboard*") 22.09.34 Join pikapika [0] (n=pikapika@mar75-8-88-164-227-147.fbx.proxad.net) 22.09.38 # hello 22.11.08 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@westquad-188-46.reshall.umich.edu) 22.12.03 # i was trying to install the bootloader and rockbox on an ipod 2g, but the ipodpatcher never seem to find the device, does it work through firewire ? 22.13.05 # hmm 22.13.23 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") 22.15.01 Join low_light [0] (i=c730180a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-bf0e0fa0beeb2718) 22.15.12 Quit entropic (Remote closed the connection) 22.16.11 # no firewire I think 22.16.24 # pixelma: hi...have time for a radio patch? 22.16.39 # * petur looks at amiconn 22.16.48 # petur: is there another way ? :) 22.17.20 # wait, it only has firewire? 22.17.39 # pixelma: when you have time...http://rafb.net/p/s9tFkm20.html 22.17.44 # this is the problem :) 22.18.11 # Ipodpatcher sure works via firewire 22.18.13 Join DM| [0] (n=dm@cpe-65-24-167-246.columbus.res.rr.com) 22.18.21 # How else would I have installed the bootloader? 22.18.34 # amiconn: strange 22.19.29 # amiconn: it can't find the device 22.19.37 # Are you trying to install on linux or macos? Not sure whether that's tested 22.19.44 # * amiconn installed on windows 22.19.52 # amiconn: on linux 22.20.08 # and nothing else to do it :) 22.20.18 Quit Soaa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.21.16 # Hmm. There could be 2 possible problems 22.21.33 # (1) You need to be root (or equivalent) for ipodpatcher to work 22.21.44 # tried it 22.22.23 Quit sarixe ("(EE) Failed to load "quit" module") 22.22.27 # (2) The autodetection doesn't find the ipod because linux uses different device names for firewire devices (??) 22.23.16 # amiconn: could be the problem, but i don't know where it looks, not much verbose 22.23.17 # Not sure at all. I have a linux box as well, but without firewire interface 22.23.39 # pikapika: strace is your friend ;-) 22.24.03 # Bagder: didn't tought of this, good idea :) 22.24.19 # The source is also a good candidate :) 22.24.32 # haha, yeah ;-) 22.26.34 # On linux it seems to check all /dev/sd? 22.27.00 # (a..z) 22.27.11 # it is sda2 22.27.23 # You need the disk device, not the partition 22.27.55 Join fasmaie [0] (n=yohann@c-24-60-113-125.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 22.28.07 # but my ipod software is broken on ipod, maybe it could be a problem 22.29.32 # sure it could 22.29.37 # you could try restoring it before use 22.29.42 # before installing rockbox, i mean 22.29.47 # yes 22.30.05 # the problem i'm looking for now is how to restore without itunes ;) 22.30.15 # no problem at all 22.30.15 # s/problem/thing 22.30.31 # really ? 22.30.35 # http://www.felixbruns.de/iPod/firmware/ 22.30.38 # download a firmware from there 22.30.45 # thanks 22.30.59 # that includes an image you can just copy to the device, i believe 22.31.05 Join przemhb [0] (n=przemhb@fan115.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 22.31.17 # Bagder: you rejected FS#2890... any chance that you'll like FS#8314 better? 22.31.44 # pixelma: there is a Firmware file in it, i _THINK_ you can just dd that to the raw device 22.31.48 # ehh 22.31.51 # pikapika: that last was to you 22.31.58 # yes thanks :) 22.32.05 # pikapika: but that will overwrite everything 22.32.17 # low_light: will have a look :) 22.32.20 # no problem, there's nothing on it 22.32.46 # Nico_P: I'm not a fan of it really, no matter the implementation 22.32.48 # pikapika: ok, then try writing that directly to /dev/sda, or whatever root device it was 22.33.06 # preglow: i'm trying this 22.33.45 # dd if=Firmware of=/dev/sda should work out fine 22.33.50 # preglow: amiconn : petur thanks for helping :) 22.34.00 # preglow: i'm doing this 22.34.17 # Bagder: why? I did search the logs but didn't find much about the rejection 22.34.20 # pikapika: anyway, you should also be aware that 2g ipods is buggy at the moment 22.34.44 # for some reason we don't know, some builds are not fucntional 22.35.00 # Nico_P: it's an edge case that complicates matters and brings little use imho 22.35.02 # so you should find a build that works and stick to that until the problem is solved 22.35.15 # preglow: i'm not using it much for the moment, it was more for fun 22.35.23 # pikapika: then you'll be fine 22.35.27 # Bagder: what does it complicate? have you seen what the changes to filetree.c are? 22.35.44 # they're more complicated than without 22.35.49 # no matter how small changes 22.35.52 # i used rockbox on an old archos, and wa quite impressed at the time 22.36.13 # in filetree.c it's merely a replacement of a func by an other 22.36.14 # Nico_P: let me stress the "little use" part 22.36.20 # ues 22.36.26 # but that functin does lots 22.36.29 # function 22.36.52 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 22.37.01 # I use 'ls' every day, it does no such weird sorting 22.37.42 # I realize not everyone is like me, but I'm telling you my view 22.37.43 # to me the use is user friendlyness 22.38.33 # it's a feature that wouldn't affect me personally at all, like you... but I think it's the kind of detail that can be very important to a user 22.38.57 # and i think the user should fix his broken file naming... 22.39.20 # I would argue that most sorting do it like rockbox already does 22.39.33 # i say we shouldn't try to fix broken things that don't function well in a broken state other places 22.39.41 # and it won't work "right" other places either 22.40.15 # preglow: it works "right" in the windows file explorer 22.40.15 # if lots of other programs supported numeric sorting like this, i'd be more in favour of it 22.40.27 # really? are you sure that's not because it sorts by tags? 22.40.36 # yes 22.40.38 # i guess not 22.40.57 # is it an option in explorer? 22.41.04 # no, it just does it 22.41.15 # i'd be more in favour of us doing that too 22.41.22 # it'll almost always be the "right thing" 22.41.39 # but'll be annoying when it's not, and i don't want any kind of heuristic 22.42.00 # so i really think we shouldn't bother, it adds more complexity, and we don't need that 22.42.18 # all the files i have that are named like that, i've renamed 22.42.30 Nick parafin is now known as parafin|away (i=parafin@paraf.in) 22.42.33 # and that from before i had even heard of rockbox, since it didn't work right other places 22.42.47 # yeah I did the same 22.43.23 # but it's the kind of unnatural habit we get from using tools that were designed by people like us :) 22.43.23 # we've got to just draw the line at some "small but useful for fringe cases" features 22.43.27 # or we'll end up bloated as hell 22.43.53 Join entropic [0] (n=grey@mal2.stopavoiding.us) 22.44.07 # but then of course i'm not the right guy to ask about "small but useful for fringe cases" features these days :) 22.44.37 # since i'm pretty much on a crusade against them 22.45.04 # pikapika: so, did it work, then? 22.45.31 Quit jhulst (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.45.34 # preglow: dd doesn't work, and the disk does strange sounds for the first time 22.45.42 # how convenient 22.45.46 # why doesn't it work? 22.45.48 # error message? 22.46.04 # That "natural" sorting in windows explorer is often very confusing :( 22.46.20 # end_request: I/O error, dev sda 22.46.26 # not much exciting :) 22.46.27 # pikapika: well, shit :) 22.46.28 # I knew the welcome wouldn't be warm, I myself aren't a great supporter of the idea... I just happened to find a nice implementation and decided to port it 22.46.31 # (in large directories, that is) 22.46.36 # amiconn: how so? 22.47.11 # Files are not were I would expect them 22.47.34 Join Zagor [242] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 22.47.45 # that's because you're used to the unnatural sorting, isn't it? 22.48.19 # Hence the "natural" - to me, pure alphnumeric sorting is much more natural to me. 22.48.49 # What's 'natural sorting' ?? Getting 1, 2, 3 instead of 1, 10, 11, ... 2, ? 22.49.18 # The problem is that "natural" sorting does some heuristics to decide whether digits are to be read as numbers or as digits, and those heuristics are more often wrong than correct 22.49.30 # PaulPosition: getting 1, 2, 10, 20 instead of 1, 10, 2, 20 22.49.35 Quit ender` (" It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye. Then it's fun and games you can't see.") 22.50.03 Join saratoga [0] (i=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-99b2b9b1314a1ab7) 22.50.25 # personally i hate unnatural sorting, but can tolerate it since I'm used to it 22.50.40 # Zagor: can you see if this helps your c200 radio... http://rafb.net/p/s9tFkm20.html 22.51.00 # I never get this problem with files I named, as I always use 01, 02 etc for track numbers. And for other files, the algorithm in explorer is just nasty - often makes me overlook files 22.51.05 # i think i can tolerate anything if its what c uses though 22.51.09 # Uh... And how does file-browser using people manage to play albums in the right order right now?? by naming their files a-song, b-song, c-song or what?! 22.51.16 # low_light: sure, I'll test right away 22.51.27 # PaulPosition: 01, 02... 22.51.28 # Ah right.. duh 22.51.34 # low_light: seems much better now - I can't confuse it the way I could repeatedly before. I first thought that the reception got worse but compared to the OF and that station is just a bit weak here at my place... :) 22.51.55 Quit MethoS- ("Konversation terminated!") 22.51.56 # that's with the first tries 22.53.38 # * low_light crosses fingers 22.54.16 # amiconn: do you have a convincing example where natrual sorting fails, that outweights the obvious 1 10 2 and foo1 foo10 foo2 usefulness? 22.54.26 # PaulPosition: Btw, I always use the file browser for listening, and the database only very rarely to check for dupes, typos in tags etc 22.54.41 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 22.54.56 # jott: Try filenames with hex numbers... 22.55.25 # amiconn: can you send me the old explains? 22.55.59 # sure 22.56.20 # Some seem to be a bit outdated ;) 22.56.33 # I can imagine :) 22.57.17 # http://amiconn.dyndns.org/explain.txt 22.57.59 # Zagor: not sure if you saw, but logbot is cloaked 22.58.01 # That's gathered from a few old irc logs 22.58.03 Quit DM| ("*bashes head against keyboard*") 22.58.11 # low_light: judging by the short time I tried, it seems to be a big improvement :) 22.58.22 # scorche|w: ah, it came through now. nice. 22.59.17 # well, it isnt really a matter of coming through...the issue was that the request didnt come from the group contact and cloak changes can only be made by the group contact to prevent abuse 22.59.53 # scorche|w: I though you change to make linus group contact? 23.00.16 Quit sindref ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 23.00.18 # if not, I misunderstood. my bad. 23.00.38 # as well, can you let me know (in a mail or PM to scorche) how to interface with logbot (such as add explains and such) so i can add a few/make them updated/etc? (if that is desired of course) 23.00.46 # no..he is the *channel* contact 23.01.41 # the group contact is a different thing and it is actually on records that freenode staff look up 23.01.44 Quit Domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.01.50 # ahh, ok. 23.02.25 #>> "docs is available here: http://dancer.sourceforge.net/doc/dancerdoc-7.html" by Zagor (n=bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 23.03.16 # that was t0mas, but after talking to RichiH, i found out that t0mas made me group contact way back when i added a ton of cloaks/started administrating the channel...this is why i have had no trouble when requesting cloaks be added, i guess :) 23.03.32 # thanks 23.04.19 # glad it worked out, anyway 23.04.44 # yeah...basically, he just needed to talk to me, but i didnt know that until i talked to him :) 23.05.27 *** SPY: Authentication failed for petur 23.05.28 # Is there a way to wait until there is a user input? like wait_until_button_pressed(); ? 23.05.42 Quit Redbreva (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.06.04 # rp-: button_get(true) 23.06.26 # thanks Zagor 23.07.04 # do we have some kind of rule against using "it's" in the manual or something? 23.09.13 Join Kage [0] (n=delphiki@ppp-88-217-75-45.dynamic.mnet-online.de) 23.10.02 Join safetydan [0] (n=safetyda@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 23.11.52 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 23.11.54 # ok next questions, is there a way to wrap text, written with screen[].puts()? or a better way to output text? or at least a way to get possible char width of the target? 23.12.56 # heh, svenska.lang does not differentiate between "recording" and "recording settings" and translates both as "inspelning" at least in the radio menu... 23.13.54 # pixelma: what, you trying to learn swedish or something? :) 23.14.31 # pixelma: Good. Hopefully it works for Zagor too. An e200 user should test it too. 23.14.31 # I learned a bit a while ago and use svenska in Rockbox just for fun :) 23.14.33 # rp-: there is lcd_getstringsize and LCD_WIDTH/LCD_HEIGHT 23.15.01 # preglow: from time to time 23.15.15 Quit Tuplanolla (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.15.20 # rp-: and lcd_puts_scroll 23.15.23 # The debug stuff can probably be removed from the patch. An maybe jhMikeS can comment on why that one bit makes a difference. 23.15.44 # later. gtg. 23.15.46 Part low_light 23.16.22 # jott: thanks, will try that 23.16.41 Join Tuplanolla [0] (n=jani@a80-186-126-4.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 23.16.57 # low_light: wohoo, works great 23.18.05 # pixelma: would you know why definebyte is substituting "it's" for "it is" in his patch? 23.18.29 # probably just to make it nicer english 23.18.57 # not sure no. 23.19.31 # I think he's a native speaker, so maybe in written English that's the more accurate way 23.20.21 # well, many native english speakers incorrectly use the apostrphe in its/it's 23.20.36 # apostrophe... 23.20.49 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 23.20.49 # well, i do consider myself fairly experienced with english myself, and a couple of them don't make much sense 23.21.34 # jott: thanks again, worked great 23.21.53 Quit Jon-Kha (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23.21.53 NSplit clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 23.21.53 Quit Siku (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23.21.53 Quit Slasheri (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23.21.53 Quit Hadaka (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23.22.42 # pixelma: i'm commiting the ones i think are ok 23.23.10 # preglow: I'm currently looking into his folder2directory patch and can't remember what was agreed on. But I tend to think that it really should be "directory" is the better way - at least it should stay consistent 23.23.25 # do you need his complete real name? 23.23.35 # i prefer "directory" 23.23.47 # yes, me too 23.23.48 # pixelma: i guess i do, do we stuff manual contributors into the ordinary CREDITS ? 23.24.10 NHeal clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 23.24.10 NJoin Jon-Kha [0] (i=jon-kha@80-248-247-190.cust.suomicom.fi) 23.24.10 NJoin Siku [0] (i=Siku@e81-197-68-206.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 23.24.10 NJoin Hadaka [0] (i=naked@naked.iki.fi) 23.24.10 NJoin Slasheri [0] (i=miipekk@rockbox/developer/Slasheri) 23.24.18 # now a license question, if i want to submit a patch, where parts of the code are under the LGPL, what do i have to take care of? keep the original license text, copyright? 23.24.30 # i like how different parts of the manual are written in wildly different styles :P 23.24.37 # the manual has its own credits file but IIRC last time someone was added to both, not so sure 23.24.38 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@pD955B9A6.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.24.38 # rp-: yes 23.24.52 # This folder vs. directory "issue" is a question of what OS one uses most 23.25.09 # preglow: fine, thanks 23.25.35 # I read that "directory" was first and M$ introduced "folder" 23.25.40 # later 23.25.46 # Not sure which one belongs to which. AmigaOS uses yet another one - "drawer" 23.26.00 # though they were also called directories under AmigaOS 23.26.13 # and, at times, folders 23.26.17 # so it's not really consistent 23.26.40 # doesn't mac also use the term folder? 23.27.11 # * amiconn still *uses* an Amiga :) 23.27.38 # my 1200 is over there 23.27.40 # * Shaid points 23.27.45 # poor amiconn :P 23.27.53 Quit Frazz (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.28.10 # Nah, of course it's not the only machine. But the mailer is nice, and I'm used to it 23.28.45 # Rather puristic in that it doesn't support html, but very flexible otherwise 23.28.54 # sounds like a good thing to me 23.28.59 # never was html mail's biggest fan 23.29.51 # ncurses mail reader and "directory" over "folder" here too. is it an age issue perhaps? :) 23.30.06 Quit fasmaie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.30.26 # bah... data abort when recording on H10 :( 23.30.40 # I have no strong opinion regarding directory vs. folder (vs. drawer). 23.31.11 # I would probably use folder just because it's short 23.31.34 # isn't it supposed to reboot when pressing play? 23.32.16 Quit faemir (Remote closed the connection) 23.32.24 # usually MS users tend to use "folder" while *nix users tend to use "directory".... 23.33.11 # MSs always used directory in the past, I think they started using folder when win95 came along 23.33.29 # i thought folder was a macos thing, since they always had a file folder icon 23.35.05 Quit midgey () 23.35.26 # OK - I don't know too much 'bout the Apple world... just sharing my impression on how it's used today... 23.46.15 # but ok, should i add manual contributors to the usual CREDITS file too? 23.47.30 # why not, they contributed to the project. 23.47.43 # i agree, i just want to know if there's some hidden policy here :) 23.50.25 Quit MethoS- ("Konversation terminated!") 23.51.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.53.03 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 23.55.45 Quit rp- ("leaving") 23.56.49 Join J3TC- [0] (n=jetc123@pool-72-76-187-15.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) 23.57.11 # IIRC the purpose of the own credits file was to use it as a list of authors somewhere 23.57.20 Part przemhb ("User is away.") 23.57.56 # or contributors