--- Log for 17.12.107 Server: clarke.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 4 days and 8 hours ago 00.02.57 Quit Delvien ("*bashes head against keyboard*") 00.03.49 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@usw3662-s-207-244-148-63.dsl.w-link.net) 00.10.31 # Nico_P: are you there? 00.10.35 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 00.10.43 # sort of 00.11.43 # I think I fixed it 00.12.02 # fps and album title at the bottom is working 00.12.38 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 00.12.47 # nice :) 00.12.55 Part canapay 00.14.34 # however, I'm not too happy with it 00.14.57 # I needed to make two fake reset_track_list functions 00.15.18 # the problem was, that the tracklist isn't updated after a change in the settings 00.15.36 # I'm gonna upload the version in a few minutes, so that you can take a look 00.16.02 # but still, I've fixed some issues the original version has 00.16.11 # kugel: I'm afraid I won't have time to look at it this evening 00.21.10 Join Doomed_ [0] (n=alienbik@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net) 00.21.26 Quit MethoS--- (Remote closed the connection) 00.24.10 # Regarding Rockbox-themes.org... At the moment, as you are probably aware, we are in the process of preparing a new server/host. One of the problems with the current host is the limited bandwidth available. It is currently costing me almost £70 PER MONTH in excess charges. 00.24.27 # :-( 00.24.31 Part ompaul ("use the /part command to leave one channel at a time") 00.25.20 # This months allocation is just about fully used already,just over half way into the month. I have temporaritl removed access to the iPod 5G themes in an effort to reduce my costs (they are the highest call on downloads) 00.26.11 # so what's the status on the new host? 00.26.20 # But, rest assured, once scorche has the new platform ready - full service will be restored. No Pressure scorche ;-) 00.26.23 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 00.26.26 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp68-149.adsl.forthnet.gr) 00.26.28 # haha 00.26.41 # * Bagder turns the screws a bit tighter 00.27.56 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.28.22 # 100GB of data downloaded from my site, and an additional 8GB from soaps mirror in 16 days - too many users on rbutil at the moment :-( 00.29.29 # the "download all themes" button should be removed from rbutil. 00.29.35 # perhaps we should think of a way to get some contents over on the download.rockbox.org system 00.29.36 # it's just wasteful 00.29.39 Nick thegeek_ is now known as thegeek (i=thegeek@s220b.studby.ntnu.no) 00.30.03 # * dionoea can offer a download mirror if needed 00.30.22 # Nico_P: Wait, I'm adding trying to add fullscreen tracklist when hidden fps and title 00.30.35 Quit Genre9mp3 () 00.31.15 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 00.31.40 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@207.155.176.3) 00.32.24 # I have a mirror on soap server, which worked great for 'normal browsing', but unfortunately it has to be on rb-t.o for rbutil to be able to access it (http://rockbox-themes.cleansoap.org/) 00.32.38 # s/soap/soap's 00.33.00 # hence the 100/8 split 00.33.04 # Nico_P: ADX seems to be working *much* better than it did in the past. However, it does occasionally have a codec failure still. Out of 30+ ADXs, it failed twice, that I noticed. Sorry again about that. I honestly thought the build I was using was much newer than it was. 00.33.13 # well, rbutil could be poked to do it however we want 00.34.03 # Redbreva: 100 GB would be neglectable on the server i'm thinking about (we server more than 1 TB per day) 00.34.28 # Trouble is not many of the users seem to update too often - there are still a lot of original rbutil (ie not the qt version) 00.34.49 # s/server/serve/ 00.36.02 # 1381 accesses to the original rbutil page in 16 days 00.36.16 # Redbreva: true, but you could remove that page/host name or whatever to force people to upgrade 00.37.27 Join jac0b [0] (n=jacob@user-112062a.dsl.mindspring.com) 00.38.00 # I think I will remove that page anyway - so any queries about rbutil failing to download themes - upgrade to latest, rbutil failing to get ipod5G themes - please be patient or visit http://rockbox-themes.cleansoap.org/ to get them manually 00.38.08 # What about adding auto-update to RButil? Would that be a useful, or wasteful, idea? 00.38.17 # i was just thinking that 00.38.37 # or at least notify the user that an update is available 00.38.38 # (Obviously, they'd have to update for that to take effect, but if you force an update anyway, now would be a good time to implement it.) 00.38.41 # sounds like a good idea, at least a "check for new version" or similar 00.38.59 Quit alienbiker99 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.39.07 Join alienbiker99 [0] (n=alienbik@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net) 00.39.08 Quit madspin (Remote closed the connection) 00.39.49 # If that's implemented, I'd have it on by default, but of course allow people to turn it off (for whatever reason). 00.40.23 Join madspin [0] (n=madspin@host86-133-239-239.range86-133.btcentralplus.com) 00.41.28 # yea, I useually turn that sort of stuff off (don't like phoning home). 00.41.35 # usually/ 00.43.46 Join canapay [0] (n=x@AGrenoble-152-1-70-99.w86-193.abo.wanadoo.fr) 00.43.58 Part billytwowilly ("Konversation terminated!") 00.46.25 # I turn it off because I don't like it bugging me about a new version... Perhaps if it was more like Firefox's update process, where it does it in the background. Next time you start RButil, it's running the latest version. However, that should be optional. I certainly wouldn't want it to do that without my knowing that it's doing that. If I was aware that the feature was in place, and being used, then I'm fine with it. 00.46.41 Join darkapostrophe [0] (n=darkapos@216-53-82.231210.adsl.tele2.no) 00.47.14 Quit Doomed_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.47.34 Quit DefineByte ("Bye all") 00.49.24 # Redbreva: how close is the site to your BW limit again? 00.49.24 Quit JETC- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.49.36 Join JETC- [0] (n=jetc123@pool-72-76-187-15.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) 00.50.04 Quit jac0b (Remote closed the connection) 00.50.21 # My limit is 100GB/Month - Currently 99.6GB downloaded !! 00.50.32 # !!! Yow! 00.50.49 # Redbreva: if you say the redirect wouldn't work for people using an old rbutil (if I understood correctly), do they get an error message (and is this error message built-in into rbutil? 00.52.55 # for the file http://www.rockbox-themes.org/data/112x64x1/Black-White.zip rbutil only gets the /data/112x64x1/Black-White.zip part passed to it, the rest is hard coded into the application. Not too sure what it does if the page is not found 00.53.27 Quit mirak ("Ex-Chat") 00.55.10 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.55.29 Join Doomed_ [0] (n=alienbik@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net) 00.57.14 Quit Robin0800 (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Po-ta-to, boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew.") 00.57.29 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@usw3662-s-207-244-148-63.dsl.w-link.net) 00.57.41 # Redbreva: honestly, i am in favor of either releasing a new rbutil that goes to soap's site, or disabling access entirely for the next week while i hurry up and get the server to the point where it is ready for the themes site (just the things necessary and i can do the other non-crucial things later)...those fees are just extortionary 00.58.13 # tell me about it 99p/GB !! 00.58.45 Join axionix_ [0] (n=axion@cpe-74-70-239-192.nycap.res.rr.com) 00.58.48 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 00.59.57 Quit Dark_Apostrophe (Connection timed out) 00.59.57 Nick darkapostrophe is now known as Dark_Apostrophe (n=darkapos@216-53-82.231210.adsl.tele2.no) 01.02.31 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.02.52 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF688C.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.03.31 Quit alienbiker99 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.04.38 # Well folks, time for bed here - good night 01.04.46 Quit Redbreva ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 01.04.59 # ack 01.07.04 # maybe he could get a bit from the fund? 01.07.44 # a good idea 01.07.50 # now, bedtime 01.08.29 # yeah, here too. Night 01.09.13 Part pixelma 01.10.13 Quit the_big_man () 01.11.41 Quit Thundercloud_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.14.48 Quit axionix (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.17.19 Part canapay 01.18.27 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 01.18.30 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@62.1.172.58) 01.21.00 Quit moos ("Time to sleep a bit.") 01.21.30 Quit stripwax (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.22.45 Join jac0b [0] (n=jacob@user-112062a.dsl.mindspring.com) 01.23.30 # Would anyone be willing to help me out here? This WPS hasn't been updated since Feb. or so, and it's failing on line 53. I was wondering if anyone could give me an idea as to what, in line 53, is failing: http://pastebin.ca/819509 01.25.29 Join sdcarter [0] (n=scarter@24-247-143-68.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) 01.28.35 Quit sdcarter (Client Quit) 01.28.42 # I think the bmp resize patch is broken form the pictureflow 01.29.00 # or it is broken just cause 01.29.55 Quit obo ("bye") 01.30.43 Join alienbiker99 [0] (n=alienbik@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net) 01.31.34 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 01.31.58 # has anyone successfully applied the bmp resize patch 01.33.33 # That WPS I linked from pastebin seems to be failing on "%xd|" Any idea what deleting this will do to the WPS? Specifically, in comparison to the old WPS, how will deleting this change how it looks/displays info? 01.33.42 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 01.33.45 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@62.1.172.109) 01.34.25 # I'm guessing that it won't have any effect, since it appears to load nothing, therefore it wouldn't display anything in the old WPS parser. 01.37.20 Quit jac0b (Remote closed the connection) 01.38.08 Quit Doomed_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.39.33 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 01.45.31 Join Doomed_ [0] (n=alienbik@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net) 01.45.34 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 01.45.37 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp176-35.adsl.forthnet.gr) 01.46.22 Join homielowe [0] (n=chatzill@d207-81-67-190.bchsia.telus.net) 01.48.02 # jott: nearly done, I've added some more improvements 01.53.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.55.56 Quit courtc (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.56.08 Quit alienbiker99 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.58.05 # holy crap!! this cant be!! 01.58.12 # I tihnk my code has worked first go! 02.01.47 Join Thundercloud__ [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 02.04.20 Join alienbiker99 [0] (n=alienbik@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net) 02.04.23 Join Triskaidekerish [0] (n=scarter@24-247-143-68.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) 02.04.30 Quit Doomed_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.08.43 Quit Thundercloud__ (Remote closed the connection) 02.10.20 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 02.13.02 Quit japc (Remote closed the connection) 02.13.11 Join lemur [0] (n=lemur@76.89.214.49) 02.19.14 Quit Thundercloud_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.20.08 Quit ctaylorr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.21.01 Join mmac [0] (n=michael@97.90.225.152) 02.21.45 Quit mmac (Client Quit) 02.29.20 Quit lemur_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.31.32 Join canapay [0] (n=x@AGrenoble-152-1-70-99.w86-193.abo.wanadoo.fr) 02.32.41 Join psycho_maniac [0] (i=psycho_m@ppp-64-91-85-212.cam.centurytel.net) 02.34.40 Join Traveler2 [0] (n=traveler@CPE-69-23-137-242.wi.res.rr.com) 02.34.42 Join BigBambi [0] (n=85567220@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 02.34.48 Quit alienbiker99 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.34.53 # hey freenode's working again 02.35.04 Quit BigBambi (Client Quit) 02.36.10 # anyone having trouble opening text files for rockbox on ipod? 02.36.23 # jott: there? 02.36.43 Join BigBambi [0] (n=85567220@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 02.37.13 # jott: FS#8335 -- I think my final version which should be ready to commit, I'm going to bed now 02.37.22 Part kugel 02.42.57 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 02.43.01 Quit hcs ("Leaving.") 02.43.17 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 02.44.34 # can someone test out a patch for me? i've redone the list code again and need to make sure its good 02.46.19 # Away from a compiler at the moment, but what's the new list code bring? 02.47.33 # ive got rid of the individual list structs for each screen, so the sturct is only duplicated for the variables which actually are different for each 02.47.37 # should be a bit smaller 02.48.02 # 200bytes of rec apparently 02.48.18 # bah, was hoping for more than that... 02.53.30 Join darkapostrophe [0] (n=darkapos@216-53-82.231210.adsl.tele2.no) 03.07.35 Quit Dark_Apostrophe (Connection timed out) 03.07.35 Nick darkapostrophe is now known as Dark_Apostrophe (n=darkapos@216-53-82.231210.adsl.tele2.no) 03.09.48 # so is there a forum of rockbox games in development? 03.10.24 # no 03.10.35 # check the patch tracker 03.13.02 Join Shoo-t [0] (i=Shoop@bas1-toronto63-1088789640.dsl.bell.ca) 03.13.04 # Yo 03.13.24 # Does anyone have any info on the Sansa e200 v2 series? 03.13.29 # And how they get rockboxed? 03.14.00 # you cant put rockbox on them yet 03.14.03 # they are not supported at this moment 03.14.06 # Ok thanks 03.14.10 # Are they working on it? 03.14.18 # check the wiki? 03.14.22 # D; k 03.15.36 Quit Shoo-t (Client Quit) 03.27.30 Part canapay 03.28.29 # anyone able to open text files on an ipod nano with rockbox? 03.28.40 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-75-8-207-26.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) 03.28.43 Quit hcs ("Leaving.") 03.28.54 # everyone is 03.29.14 Join anap40 [0] (n=anap40@pool-72-91-3-135.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) 03.29.36 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 03.30.26 # somehow I'm not, I tried opening files under notes and it shows nothing or once I set it to show all files and select a text file I'm told it doesn't know what to do with that type of file 03.31.49 # update to the latest build 03.32.29 Join courtc [0] (n=court@c-24-99-230-218.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 03.33.02 # Traveler2: 1) read the manual, 2) hold select > open with > viewer 03.33.29 Join Perdignus [0] (n=pkirchne@perdignus.com) 03.34.39 # Hello - I just installed Rockbox on a Nano iPod tonight and I'm simply amazed, even the video player is excellent! 03.36.54 # there is nothing listed under open with 03.37.10 # Is Rockbox linux? 03.37.14 # no 03.37.26 # Traveler2: just click on the txt file it should open 03.37.40 # Traveler2: is it a txt file? 03.37.50 # can someone help me install a theme that I downloaded the zip file for? I don't see instructions for how to do so in the manual. And when i use the rockbox utility to get themes from online it says no themes found. 03.38.17 # I tried with both .txt files and a file I saved with the text editor on rockbox 03.38.22 # anap40: the themes repository is undergoing changes atm 03.38.31 # Is Rockbox written in C? 03.38.44 # anap40: just extract the zip to the root of the drive 03.38.44 # Perdignus: yes 03.38.46 # my install is the bleeding source compiled for ipod, is it possible that viewer isn't included there? 03.39.04 # scorche: is there a way to manually install a theme that I downloaded though? 03.39.12 # Traveler2: it sounds like you haven't copied the plugins and viewers that should be part of the build 03.39.14 # unzip it 03.39.23 # to where? 03.39.31 # the ipod? 03.39.38 # Well, all I have to say is WOW! I've been disappointed with iPodLinux for more than a year, and Rockbox blows it away! 03.40.08 # yea I agree perdignus, game plugins seem to run much faster 03.40.51 # Is there a picture slideshow app? 03.41.51 Join Delvien [0] (n=dm@cpe-65-24-167-246.columbus.res.rr.com) 03.41.55 # Perdignus: there's the JPEG viewer plugin but you'll have to manually go to the next image 03.42.28 # did someone try to pm me, i see that i had some popups blocked, if not can someone help me out with installing a theme from a zip file 03.43.13 # safetydan: no, it has a slideshow mode to advance automatically 03.43.27 # anap40: unzip it on your ipod. If it's a properly constructed theme it should unzip in to the right place 03.44.16 # hcs: that'll learn me for looking at the wiki first and the manual second 03.45.59 Quit animeloe ("Leaving") 03.46.37 Join eigma [0] (i=eigma@216.48.162.210) 03.47.30 # okay, able to open text files now, thanks 03.49.37 Quit psycho_maniac (" i need my sleep..."yawn"") 03.50.09 Quit zicho (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.53.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.57.06 # What's the most popular media player around here? I'm playing with my wife's Nano but the Archos line of products look really nice. 03.58.29 Join animeloe [0] (n=animeloe@unaffiliated/animeloe) 04.03.04 Join Soap_ [50] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 04.03.18 Join ctaylorr [0] (n=ctaylorr@CPE001839ae25b4-CM0011aea4a276.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 04.03.35 Quit markun (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.03.35 NSplit clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 04.03.35 Quit RyoS (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.03.35 Quit J (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.03.35 Quit guyzmo (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.03.35 Quit maraz_ (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.03.35 Quit Seed (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.03.35 Quit sslashes_ (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.03.35 Quit preglow (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.03.35 Quit Jon-Kha (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.03.35 Quit Slasheri (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.03.35 Quit Hadaka (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.03.35 Quit rasher (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.03.35 Quit BigBambi (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.03.35 Quit XavierGr (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.03.35 Quit midkay_ (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.03.35 Quit mokkurkalve (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.03.35 Quit tedrock (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.03.35 Quit Soap (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.03.35 Quit DataGhost (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.03.35 Quit parafin|away (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.03.35 Quit magicthree (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.03.35 Quit lastebil (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.03.35 Quit DogBoy (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.03.35 Quit sbeh (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.03.35 Quit Shaid (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.03.47 NHeal clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 04.03.47 NJoin J [0] (n=john@cpc2-mfld9-0-0-cust297.nott.cable.ntl.com) 04.03.47 NJoin Seed [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 04.03.47 NJoin maraz_ [0] (i=maraz@lakka.kapsi.fi) 04.03.47 NJoin RyoS [0] (n=ryo@cache.0bit.org) 04.03.47 NJoin markun [0] (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 04.03.47 NJoin sslashes_ [0] (i=sslashes@209.67.252.122) 04.03.47 NJoin guyzmo [0] (n=guyzmo@nenya.mithrandir.net) 04.04.00 NJoin preglow [50] (n=thomj@rockbox/developer/preglow) 04.05.20 NJoin midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@63-226-230-69.tukw.qwest.net) 04.05.22 NJoin Shaid [0] (i=shaid@124-168-89-86.dyn.iinet.net.au) 04.05.42 NJoin Hadaka [0] (i=naked@naked.iki.fi) 04.05.42 NJoin Slasheri [0] (i=miipekk@rockbox/developer/Slasheri) 04.05.42 NJoin Jon-Kha [0] (i=jon-kha@80-248-247-190.cust.suomicom.fi) 04.05.42 NJoin rasher [50] (n=rasher@rockbox/developer/rasher) 04.06.16 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp75-233.adsl.forthnet.gr) 04.06.25 Quit bobrules () 04.08.45 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 04.08.53 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.08.59 # Perdignus: be aware that none of the recent archos models are supported. If you want Rockbox support, look at this http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide 04.09.40 # safetydan thanks 04.11.11 Quit Traveler2 ("Java user signed off") 04.13.20 Quit XavierGr (Killed by sagan.freenode.net (Nick collision)) 04.13.26 Join DataGhost [0] (i=dataghos@ip3e832ea5.speed.planet.nl) 04.13.26 NJoin XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp176-35.adsl.forthnet.gr) 04.13.26 NJoin mokkurkalve [0] (n=eivind@062016136141.customer.alfanett.no) 04.13.26 NJoin tedrock [0] (n=tedrock@d235-156-27.home1.cgocable.net) 04.13.26 NJoin parafin|away [0] (i=parafin@paraf.in) 04.13.26 NJoin magicthree [0] (n=Banana@87.106.78.187) 04.13.26 NJoin lastebil [0] (n=truck@cube.lomal.la) 04.13.26 NJoin DogBoy [0] (n=john@66-101-59-100-static.dsl.oplink.net) 04.13.26 NJoin sbeh [0] (n=sbeh@82.96.68.160) 04.13.35 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 04.13.37 Quit JETC- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.13.37 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp75-233.adsl.forthnet.gr) 04.15.21 # JdGordon: I assume you're on the case to fix the m-robe build? 04.15.41 # nice bit of byte saving as well 04.15.58 # * safetydan wants long term graphs of bin size 04.16.28 Join JETC- [0] (n=jetc123@pool-72-76-187-15.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) 04.18.25 Quit Perdignus ("[BX] Reserve your copy of BitchX-1.1-final for the Nintendo 64 today!") 04.19.02 Join crzyboyster [0] (n=4b596ef2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b4c2735142bcfb20) 04.19.31 # Llorean: do you want to start commiting some of the default theme ports into svn? 04.19.56 # like the ipod video and gigabeat? 04.20.11 Quit crzyboyster (Client Quit) 04.26.15 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 04.26.17 Join XavierGr_ [0] (n=xavier@ppp261-145.adsl.forthnet.gr) 04.27.13 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.27.34 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF688C.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.29.30 Quit animeloe ("This computer has gone to sleep") 04.29.38 Quit JETC- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.32.21 Quit magicthree (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.32.21 Quit DogBoy (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.32.21 Quit sbeh (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.32.21 Quit lastebil (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.32.21 Quit parafin|away (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.32.21 Quit mokkurkalve (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.32.21 Quit tedrock (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.32.21 Quit DataGhost (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.32.21 Quit Slasheri (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.32.21 Quit Hadaka (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.32.21 Quit Jon-Kha (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.32.21 Quit rasher (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.32.51 Nick iamben_ is now known as iamben (n=ben@adsl-75-34-81-32.dsl.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net) 04.33.53 NJoin sbeh [0] (n=sbeh@82.96.68.160) 04.33.53 Join DogBoy [0] (n=john@unaffiliated/dogboy) 04.33.53 NJoin lastebil [0] (n=truck@cube.lomal.la) 04.33.53 NJoin magicthree [0] (n=Banana@87.106.78.187) 04.33.53 NJoin parafin|away [0] (i=parafin@paraf.in) 04.33.53 NJoin tedrock [0] (n=tedrock@d235-156-27.home1.cgocable.net) 04.33.53 NJoin mokkurkalve [0] (n=eivind@062016136141.customer.alfanett.no) 04.33.53 NJoin DataGhost [0] (i=dataghos@unaffiliated/dataghost) 04.33.53 NJoin Hadaka [0] (i=naked@naked.iki.fi) 04.33.53 NJoin Slasheri [0] (i=miipekk@rockbox/developer/Slasheri) 04.33.53 NJoin Jon-Kha [0] (i=jon-kha@80-248-247-190.cust.suomicom.fi) 04.33.53 NJoin rasher [50] (n=rasher@rockbox/developer/rasher) 04.49.25 Join insanepyro [0] (n=lost@66-227-236-61.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) 04.50.19 Nick Soap_ is now known as Soap (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 04.50.57 # Hi, I need some help with my Rock Box. I updated the firmware a couple days ago, and now my windows XP will not recognize my Ipod 80gb with Rock Box on it. What should I do or where should I start. I cant access the ipod at all through my usb drive! 04.51.29 Join krazykit [0] (n=krazykit@adsl-76-240-223-31.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net) 04.51.41 Quit Delvien ("*bashes head against keyboard*") 04.53.11 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 04.56.57 # Hi, I need some help with my Rock Box. I updated the firmware a couple days ago, and now my windows XP will not recognize my Ipod 80gb with Rock Box on it. What should I do or where should I start. I cant access the ipod at all through my usb drive! 04.58.37 # insanepyro, are you booting into emergency disk mode or the original firmware?/ 04.59.04 # insanepyro, plus you do not need to repeat yourself 04.59.12 # original as in the rock box firmware 04.59.24 # sorry 04.59.39 # insanepyro, no, original as in apple firmware 04.59.49 # rockbox does not have USB support on iPods yet. 05.00.44 # thats odd krazy, i've been adding and removing files for about 2 months on my ipod with rockbox using the usb port... 05.01.11 # insanepyro, you've probably been using emergency disk mode. 05.02.17 # so how do I go about adding and removing my music? Is there a way to boot back into emergency disk mode like I have been doing? 05.03.06 # insanepyro, this is covered in the manual. 05.03.21 # thanks 05.03.39 # :/ 05.03.42 Quit insanepyro () 05.06.52 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.11.07 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp181-105.adsl.forthnet.gr) 05.13.11 Join BigBambi [0] (n=85567220@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 05.15.56 # safetydan: bah, completly forgot abouit the mrobe :p 05.16.15 # not as much green as i was hoping.. but still green 05.17.00 # hey Jd :) 05.17.05 # hey hey 05.17.08 # hows things? 05.17.12 # pretty good 05.17.17 # finshed exams? 05.17.19 # just finished my last exam friday 05.17.21 # yep! :D 05.17.23 # * eigma is very happy 05.17.25 # congrats 05.18.37 # I thought I heard the mrobe build was broken? 05.20.08 # yeah, i redid the list drawing code and forgot about it 05.20.10 # fixing it now 05.21.31 # any interesting developments with the dsp? :p 05.22.40 Quit XavierGr_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.25.55 # nah, haven't touched it 05.27.01 Join JoshW [0] (i=JoshW@61.74.208.203.cable.dyn.bal.ncable.com.au) 05.35.02 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 05.35.20 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 05.37.38 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@usw3662-s-207-244-148-63.dsl.w-link.net) 05.50.11 Join webguest89 [0] (n=4c10ea95@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-83d9266d52a0c709) 05.51.02 # hi i was just looking at the picture flow plugin and i can't find where to download it? please help? :) 05.52.15 # webguest89, it is in the addons already 05.52.26 # oh... 05.52.35 # webguest89: plugins are included with rockbox 05.53.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.53.41 # um i want to download the new rock box and install it on my ipod video....is there a way to install it without erasing all my backdrops and all my rockboy game saves? 05.54.08 # webguest89: unzipping a new rockbox build on to your iPod should not overwrite those sort of things 05.54.51 # ok...it did last time i did it but i'll try again. thank you! :) 06.02.21 # well it depends on your unzipping program 06.02.31 # if it's dumb, then it will probably overwrite 06.03.45 # i have another question. i'm looking at some kind of patch that says the i can zoom into pictures without stopping playback. how do i install that on my ipod? 06.04.07 Join BoBisChriS [0] (n=aGmIRCc3@adsl-75-30-181-33.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) 06.04.12 Join animeloe [0] (n=animeloe@unaffiliated/animeloe) 06.04.45 # could someone link me to the manual for an 80 Gb iPod 5th gen please? 06.05.03 # BoBisChriS: can you not find it from www.rockbox.org? 06.05.14 # i havnt checked 06.05.20 # i was just asking for a link.. 06.05.23 # thats all 06.05.50 # then check 06.06.10 # sigh... ok, i will 06.06.27 # well... perhaps you can answer my question 06.06.50 # is there a radio plugin for it? 06.07.06 # radio requires hardware 06.07.21 # which i have 06.07.38 # and where can i find a list of downloadable plugins? 06.07.43 # an ipod accessory? 06.07.43 # please help....if you know anything i've been trying to find out how to install that for a really long time.... :) 06.07.56 # install what? 06.08.26 # BoBisChriS: plugins arent downloadable (well, not like you currently imagine it)...all plugins are included with rockbox 06.08.51 # plugins are not being developed by users? 06.08.57 # scorche: he wants a pictureflow patch 06.09.09 # lol... i want that too! 06.09.35 # BoBisChriS: they are, but when they are complete and done correctly, they are then committed to SVN 06.10.02 # what is SVN? 06.10.28 # a version control system 06.13.03 Join webguest26 [0] (n=6166264d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-35d6c2427a7abe58) 06.13.15 # i have rockbox instaled 06.13.31 # I have rockbox installed 06.13.45 Join lemur_ [0] (n=lemur@76.89.214.49) 06.14.03 # and how do I go back to my iPod 06.15.26 # webguest89: you need to make your own build to be able to use patches 06.15.31 # webguest26: You check the manual 06.15.43 # It nicely desribes the dual-boot feature 06.15.46 # how do youy guys know how i can use the plugin for the picture flow on my ipod? 06.16.07 # it already comes with the new rockbox right? 06.16.23 # yes...as has been said 06.16.39 # webguest89: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=PluginPictureFlow 06.17.13 # is there a way to play avi? 06.17.15 # i just checked that but i still dont know hot to use it? 06.17.29 # BoBisChriS: By converting it to MPEG 06.17.43 # BoBisChriS: avi isnt a video format...it is just a container 06.17.49 # webguest89: What particularly is the problem? We aren't psychic 06.18.45 # i dont't know how to look at the album art like that. do i go to plugins the picture flow or something? 06.18.58 # can i convert it into mpeg inside of rockbox? 06.19.30 # BoBisChriS: no...that would take a loooong time to encode a video on a DAP 06.19.32 # BoBisChriS: No, that is fat too processor intensive 06.19.33 Quit webguest26 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 06.19.55 # webguest89: Yes, it helps to run a plugin if you start it 06.20.20 # BoBisChriS - think how long it takes to convert on your nice fast PC. Then imaging it on a DAP 06.20.59 # oh ok thank you! thank for the info bye! :) 06.22.03 Quit webguest89 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 06.30.01 Quit lemur (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.36.20 # what should i use to convert avi to mpeg? 06.36.42 # there are many suggestions in the wiki 06.37.09 # and your favorite? 06.37.31 # i dont have one, as i dont watch movies on my DAP 06.37.32 # PluginMpegplayer 06.37.40 Quit lazka (Remote closed the connection) 06.37.44 # ^ Check that. 06.37.59 # BoBisChriS: WinFF is a nice FFMPEG frontend on windows 06.40.58 Quit hcs (Remote closed the connection) 06.41.13 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 06.46.19 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF797B.dip.t-dialin.net) 06.49.30 # whats up with the rockbox utility? 06.50.20 # its not working properly 06.50.55 # it helps to specify... 06.51.03 # well everything 06.51.19 # that isnt specifying 06.51.25 # i tried to use it to do my initial install.. it didnt work at all 06.51.47 # keep specifying.. (what did it do, etc) 06.53.41 # well... right now, im trying to install the base files for doom; it shows the progress window, and says : downloading file rockdoom.zip 0% 06.53.49 # and stays there 06.59.03 # how do i get the latest svn? 07.00.00 # that is said in the manual 07.02.33 # i do not understand how it says it in the manual 07.02.45 # heh 07.04.06 Join fod [0] (n=ca5a4f0e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c1021aa262171cf3) 07.04.44 # maybe read this instead BoBisChriS http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html 07.06.00 Quit fod (Client Quit) 07.08.28 # thanks douch bag, its not my fault that the people, here, in the HELP chat only help by telling you to read the manual...... 07.08.39 Part BoBisChriS 07.08.48 # harsh 07.09.12 # i certainly would like to know how we can make "You 07.09.12 # can download the current build from http://build.rockbox.org/. 07.09.13 # hahaha 07.09.19 # easier to understand 07.09.33 Quit Pio ("screwing with nvidia drivers") 07.09.45 # some people just don't want to be helped 07.10.11 # he misspelled douch bag too 07.10.22 # doh, so did I 07.10.26 # lol 07.10.29 # haha 07.10.38 # prendre une douche 07.10.47 # *un? 07.10.55 # une 07.11.07 # arigato 07.11.20 # mr. roboto? 07.11.29 # :) 07.11.33 # * JdGordon was thinikign the same 07.18.34 # Who is taking a shower? 07.19.07 # Nemo 07.19.17 # Aha, makes sense :) 07.22.09 # * scorche is lost 07.23.22 # * BigBambi hands over a map 07.23.30 # <---- you are here 07.23.43 # But I am over there ----> 07.23.53 # Heh. 07.24.13 # * Mouser_X is *WAY* over there -----------------------------------------------> 07.24.24 # (to the 10th power) 07.26.49 Join jharu [0] (n=jayharu@212.118.123.20) 07.27.45 # just like to thank the rockbox team for helping me! kugel build rocks my sansa to the core!!! 07.28.05 # Rockbox rocks my box any day. 07.28.09 # dual core 07.29.03 Quit safetydan ("Leaving.") 07.29.27 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.32.29 # could use some adjustments though (i dont play doom) 07.32.52 # Neither do I. What's your point? 07.33.00 Quit Mouser_X ("Java user signed off") 07.33.08 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@usw3662-s-207-244-148-63.dsl.w-link.net) 07.34.50 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@207.155.176.3) 07.35.42 # nothin, just sayin what i think... 07.36.40 # Well, I mean is, what needs adjusting? 07.36.55 # *what I mean 07.38.08 # the demo for the picture flow. hope it will support autoadjustments and jpeg files 07.38.30 # also it kinda lag at some point... 07.38.46 # It is hardly the most important function 07.39.04 # But if someone works on it, it will improve 07.39.44 # but still one of the most efficient if developed (the picflow) 07.40.37 # I disagree 07.40.48 # It would take ages for me to scroll through all those albums 07.40.54 # But then I dislike the database 07.41.03 # * Mouser_X doesn't use the database. 07.41.11 # It is fine as an alternative, but no way would I use it 07.41.16 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 07.41.19 # It's a nightmare-ish mess, on my player. 07.41.21 # Filetree all the way for me 07.41.30 # indeed 07.41.35 # SID files don't like the database much. 07.41.38 # I like pictureflow as a coll bit of flashiness for a couple of minutes 07.41.51 # But give me a filetree to actually efficiently select music anyday 07.42.03 # ^ This is why I use Rockbox. 07.42.19 # Not the sole reason for me, but important 07.42.35 # I won't use a player that requires me to use special software to transfer, or a database etc 07.42.49 # One of the main reasons I bought a H140 back in the day 07.44.27 # why not put a search query on the pic flow? that'll make it. 07.44.29 # same here 07.44.38 Nick evt is now known as JamPS (n=jamps@terttuselja.telemail.fi) 07.44.53 # Not worth having a DRM-player 07.45.16 # This rockbox system rocks my pants 07.45.46 # like put the name of album artist and it will search all albums by that artist. 07.45.47 # I'm not against it if people want to use it, but it will never for me be as easy as just a plain filetree (or even normal database) 07.46.03 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.46.06 # jharu: feel free to submit a patch :) 07.46.56 Join Zibit2 [0] (n=zibit@c-24-21-87-106.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 07.47.07 # if i knew how, i would. just dloaded vmware and debian. still figurin everythin out... 07.47.15 # I essentially have a mix or album and artist in my file tree - normally it is /music/artist/album etc. but I might also have /music/album if it is various or /music/composer or /music/performer. I know I could do that with database with creative use of tags, but filetree is so much easier (for me) 07.48.11 # All my stuff is from video games. Thus, organizing by artist is impractical, since many games are composed by multiple artists. 07.48.11 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 07.48.36 # And, because they're video game formats, the database usually handles the files very poorly. 07.49.30 # There is that too. 07.49.33 # bigbambi: just shows you are not organized, lol (one of the first things you learn as a database management student. yay to oracle sql!!!) 07.50.28 # thats why a search query is essential... so it can search through the various files easy... 07.50.31 # I can see the advantage of the database if you want to say have a playlist of all music from 1992, or all in a certain genre etc., but just for playing albums like me, filetree all the way. Above all I like flexability and not being forced to do it one way because someone else decided it was better 07.51.00 # jharu. But I am organised, I have my filetree organised exactly how I want it 07.51.35 # The point is, I don't want to have to use a search query - I just have an alphabetical list where everything is where I want it 07.51.56 # organised but not standardized. ;] 07.51.58 # * amiconn agrees with BigBambi 07.52.10 # Filetree all the way - much easier to find things this way 07.52.16 # standardized in what way? 07.52.36 Join n17ikh [0] (n=n17ikh@c-76-23-98-11.hsd1.sc.comcast.net) 07.52.37 # database is not so useful when you have no keyboard 07.52.37 # well anyways its just a suggestion so i wont push it anymore ;) 07.53.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.53.17 # jharu - I'm all for it if people want it, I'm just saying I won't use it and I would strongly object to any effort to make it default 07.53.21 Join BoBisChriS [0] (n=aGmIRCc3@adsl-75-30-181-33.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) 07.53.29 # But as an option, sure, why not 07.53.37 Part BoBisChriS 07.54.37 # Jamps. use the scrollwheel (sansa user, sorry...) 07.54.42 # Each to their own - I find filetree easier - you prefer database - welcome to the wonderful world of rockbox! 07.54.42 Quit n17ikh|Lappy (Nick collision from services.) 07.54.47 # jharu, yea but still 07.54.48 Nick n17ikh is now known as n17ikh|Lappy (n=n17ikh@c-76-23-98-11.hsd1.sc.comcast.net) 07.55.00 # filetree is so much faster 07.55.42 # if it had symbolic links then it would be perfect 07.55.44 # As I said, the filetree browsing is one of the biggest reasons I use Rockbox. 07.55.48 # That is the beauty of rockbox, I can use filetree and others can use database, as one or other of us hasn't made the ecision for the other based on our own preferences 07.56.00 # *decision 07.56.22 # symbolic links? 07.56.44 Quit homielowe (Remote closed the connection) 07.56.55 # yeah, make it work like a database 07.56.59 # JoshW: Did I have the discussion with symbolic links with you in the forum? Where I said you can't do that with FAT32 and suggested using one track m3u files? Did you try that? Does it work? 07.57.05 # no 07.57.23 # jharu: A sylink is a link in one directory that points at a file in another 07.57.23 # as in, it wasnt me 07.57.33 # whahhhh vm crashed. nuooooo!!!! 07.57.40 # JoshW: Ah OK - well there is your answer right above :) 07.58.13 # You *can* have some kind of symbolic links on fat32 - it takes a bit of re though 07.58.27 Join homielowe [0] (n=chatzill@d207-81-67-190.bchsia.telus.net) 07.59.27 Join LinusN [200] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 07.59.36 # amiconn: I stand corrected - do they work as we normally think of them, and is it hard? 07.59.49 # I thought it was out of spec (but I haven't actually read the specs :)) 08.00.23 # This new(?) automatic bookmarking feature rocks! 08.00.35 # Not entirely. Windows uses those .lnk files, which would need a bit of re to use them properly (i.e. compatible with windows) 08.00.48 Quit jhulst (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 08.01.05 # So is it more of a windows feature than a FAT32 thing? 08.01.17 # Basically they are plain files on fat32, the extension ".lnk" is just hidden in windows 08.01.29 # OK 08.01.45 # So Windows deals with it, and to FAT32 they are just another file 08.01.51 # So they are not true symlinks, but behave very similar 08.01.59 # OK, cheers 08.02.17 # Seems to me if someone wants a similar thing on rockbox for music files they could just use a m3u 08.02.39 # That would work for music, but not for e.g. photos 08.03.11 Join Llorea1 [50] (n=DarkkOne@cpe-70-113-103-34.austin.res.rr.com) 08.03.26 # Yep 08.03.40 # It is a limited workaround though 08.06.38 Join Flemmard [0] (n=flemmard@2a01:5d8:52e7:539e:8447:ef2e:3274:d963) 08.09.49 # Llorean, you there 08.15.33 Join j0tt [0] (n=j@unaffiliated/jott) 08.15.54 # Whoo, fixed it 08.16.04 # I accidently modified someone's post with my answer 08.16.21 # But then found the unmodified post in my browsers cache, so put it back 08.16.40 Part toffe82 08.16.52 # Llorean: For the logs, if you wonder from your logs what all that odd modifying I did was, see above :) 08.18.55 Join Sammienator [0] (n=stbouwer@a200098.upc-a.chello.nl) 08.19.44 Quit Llorean (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.22.37 Join GodEater_ [50] (n=bryan@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 08.26.39 Join Jakeworld [0] (n=chatzill@h237.231.143.24.cable.snbr.sanbrunocable.com) 08.28.19 Quit jott (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.30.11 Quit Sammienator () 08.38.19 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 08.38.22 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp181-105.adsl.forthnet.gr) 08.39.22 Quit BigBambi ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 08.46.27 Nick Llorea1 is now known as Llorean (n=DarkkOne@cpe-70-113-103-34.austin.res.rr.com) 08.51.30 # there is 2 lloreans? so whos the real mccoy? vmware workin again yay!!! compiling debian now... 08.52.37 Quit jharu () 08.57.12 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B138FA.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.57.15 Quit Zibit2 ("tribe..the show is over") 08.57.47 Join pondlife [50] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 08.57.54 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 08.57.57 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.t-2.net) 09.01.17 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 09.10.57 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.12.36 # hey petur 09.12.44 # is that you on tapers section? 09.13.41 # yup 09.13.58 # cool 09.14.24 Join lemur [0] (n=lemur@76.89.214.49) 09.14.25 # nah, just using the same nick ;) 09.14.32 # heh 09.15.38 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.19.50 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 09.19.51 Join CaptainSquid [0] (n=Miranda@proxy15.netz.sbs.de) 09.21.58 Join Zagor [242] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 09.29.01 Quit stewball`ghost (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.30.11 Quit eigma () 09.30.33 Quit lemur_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.35.12 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 09.43.50 Quit Jakeworld ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") 09.48.32 Part Llorean 09.48.52 Join jharu [0] (n=jayharu@212.118.123.20) 09.53.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.53.16 # ok... im kinda confused when i do the svn thing. i went as far as "../tools/configure" but does it really have this much things placed in it? and seems i cant make zip files. 09.53.54 # im using vmware btw 09.55.08 # jharu: you'll have to be a bit more specific with your question. What's the problem ? 09.56.59 # as i said i typed ../tools/configure and a ton of c and h files greeted me. its still showing on my screen waiting for it to finish. i also cant do make zip command. 09.58.00 # and where were you when you typed that? 09.59.03 # cd build_e200 09.59.33 # and it presented you with a table of targets to choose from? 09.59.40 # is this what you asked? 10.00.15 # in target you mean this endless c and h files yes. 10.00.56 # svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox 10.01.00 # cd rockbox 10.01.00 # mkdir build_h120 10.01.00 # cd build_h120 10.01.00 DBUG Enqueued KICK jharu 10.01.00 # ../tools/configure 10.01.01 # no, it should print out a list of players with numbers in front and ask which one you need 10.01.32 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 10.02.10 # i typed all this written on the wiki typing instead e200 for the h one 10.02.38 # after configure did you type 'make' ? 10.02.52 # you mean you typed "mkdir build_e200" ? 10.03.29 # no. it started sending the .c and the .h files before i typed the make 10.03.56 # linusn, yes followed it like a book... 10.04.23 # jharu: maybe you should copy the output to pastebin to show us 10.05.00 # svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox 10.05.04 # cd rockbox 10.05.04 # mkdir build_h120 10.05.04 # cd build_h120 10.05.04 # ../tools/configure 10.05.14 # sorry. lol wrong post 10.05.25 # don't paste in here 10.05.53 # use something like http://pastebin.ca/ 10.07.21 # cant copy it. but it goes like rockbox/apps/gui/yesno.c and so on and so forth.... hey it ended at last.... 10.09.10 # i'll just retry it maybe i made a mistake... 10.14.15 # seems i did make it to the make part. but is it really this big? 10.17.04 # jharu: what does your last "it" refer to? 10.17.05 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@d54C597B6.access.telenet.be) 10.17.10 # it's pretty big yes 10.17.25 # ~1870 source files by my count 10.21.18 # seems like a lot of headwork for my custom gui... once i make this in zip will it compile using borlan c? or i still have to use vmware? 10.22.08 Join Bonusbartus [0] (n=52abfb39@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4741b357de01fc35) 10.22.19 # Hi 10.22.40 # anyone here who can help me with my iriver h340? 10.23.19 # jharu: what are you talking about ? Once you've done "make" it doesn't need any more compiling... 10.24.37 # Bonusbartus: in order to do that, you must first say your problem ;) 10.24.56 # sorry. im new to vm so i dont know heads or tails. 10.25.09 # hehe big problem 10.25.27 # I am thinking about RMAíng my player 10.25.36 # bunusbartus, say it they may fix it. 10.25.59 # problem: battery empty very fast, in latest versions the hdd just keeps spinning, and the music keeps stuttering 10.26.14 # jharu: at no point will you able to compile any part of rockbox (except possibily the sim, and even then I doubt it) with Borland. 10.26.27 # I first thought it was a broken hdd, but in the iriver firmware I don't have the problem 10.26.34 # so I am not sure now... 10.27.03 # I'm now doing an error scan on my pc, but it doesnt give any errors 10.27.12 # till now :) 10.27.51 # Bonusbartus: maybe rename/remove the .rockbox tree and do a fresh install? 10.28.18 # I did, at first I didn't have problems, but after a few hours it got even worse 10.28.34 # at first only with a few songs, but now with everything 10.28.41 # strange 10.29.04 # did you drop your unit by any chance? 10.29.23 # nope 10.29.26 # well you can't rma it with rockbox installed and it's no use if the OF works fine of course 10.29.48 # well, the battery is empty too soon in the of too 10.30.11 # must be the batt then 10.30.24 # and you still have warranty on that? 10.31.03 # well that doesnt explain the stuttering music and spinning hdd, It does that too when connected to my car adapter or any other power source 10.31.13 # yep till march 9 2008 10.31.31 # must be about the last 340 they sold :P 10.31.59 # well if you can make it go wrong with the OF then I'd rma it (flash normal firmware first and remove all traces of rockbox) 10.32.19 # otoh, could be they return you another model! 10.32.52 # I know, but they will ask u nicely first, I could always ask to send back my damaged player and repair it myself 10.33.00 # new hdd and battery on ebay 10.34.08 # but in the past 3 months, did anything change to the iriver port that could explain my problem? 10.34.23 # it is working fine on mine... 10.34.43 # ?? but hdd spins right? it uses a spindle? and is known to make skipping (just like in my pc.) amd maybe if power from battery is powerful enough it can damage the hdd by power surge. 10.35.27 # jharu, do you even know what a spindle is? 10.36.17 # Bonusbartus: what Rockbox revision are you running exactly? 10.36.18 # i mean needle. 10.37.30 Quit Mathiasdm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.37.52 # uhm now one from misticriver, the build from dimension sibi, before that I tried darkies build, which had some problems from the start and before that I used the latest norbusans build 10.38.20 #>> "explain custom" by petur (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 10.38.36 # I know I know 10.38.41 # try an official build first please 10.39.10 # whoa?! logbot command! 10.39.11 # I will, after hdTune is done doing an error scan of the hdd 10.40.02 # but the build I use isn't realy a "heavily patched" build 10.40.54 # http://www.misticriver.net/forums/rockbox-h10-series/56236-h10-5-6gb-custom-build.html#post579180 10.40.56 # Bonusbartus: I don't know how old that is or which svn revision that is build on (and don't want to know) but it could be that it is made of an svn revision after MoB was committed but before a lot of related bug fixes that came later... 10.41.30 # what is MoB? 10.41.52 # Metadata On Buffer 10.41.55 # petur: your turn ;) 10.42.14 #>> "explain MoB" by pixelma (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 10.42.57 # well the build is from december 8 10.43.07 # lol 10.43.50 # Bonusbartus, how are you using a h10 build on a h340 10.44.04 # still... try the official build and then we'll tell you we still don't know... 10.44.28 # thats not the build, it's a multi patch, dimension sibi used it on the h340 build 10.44.38 # I will :) 10.45.03 # hdtune is at 60%, 10MB/sec 10.50.12 # im getting a working copy 'rockbox ' locked message 10.51.50 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c58-109-97-210.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au) 10.53.46 # LinusN: did you see this Samsung drive? HS122JC is a 120GB PATA 1.8" :) 10.54.06 # ATA7 10.54.48 Join mrkiko [0] (n=mrkiko@host169-98-static.34-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it) 10.55.08 # nice, someone still makes pata drives 10.55.38 # petur: what connector? 10.55.47 # whats pata? i know sata but not pata 10.55.54 # parallel ATA 10.56.02 # i.e. the old one before SATA came along 10.56.04 # "ide" 10.56.04 # amiconn: that is the question 10.56.30 # it's listed as "50 Pins?" in our wiki 10.56.39 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement 10.56.57 # Hmm, that's confusing me 10.57.12 # yeah, added yesterday probably, he was going to ask an ebayer about it 10.57.35 # So the new Toshiba drive has the right pinout for an H300? 10.57.51 # maybe 10.57.59 # haha, good answer 10.58.08 # Samsung... Toshiba...? 10.58.12 # Us H380 users need some more cash 10.58.15 # Toshiba, sorry 10.58.34 # I'm at cross-purposes 10.58.35 # on the samsung site, these are marked PATA and the others ZIF/PATA so there is hope 10.58.46 # well, petur was talking about a Samsung one 10.58.55 # Yep, I see now. 10.59.04 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 10.59.04 # * petur wonders if that would make an h420 :) 10.59.36 # petur: Btw, could you check the disk type in your H10 pure and fill in HardDriveReplacement? 11.00.07 # isn't the pure one with radio? 11.00.24 # I was hinking of http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14424.msg108057;topicseen#msg108057 11.00.29 # thinking, even 11.01.44 # darn this is my third attemp to crack vm. it says build already exist... 11.02.08 # yaaays... plugin button actions strike once again and their weird (too simple) usage in some (most, all?) plugins that implement them... :( 11.02.34 # jharu: are you stuck at 'configure' or 'make' or 'make zip'? 11.03.32 # as far as cd rockbox. when i type mkdir it says there is already a build 11.03.37 Join Jakeworld [0] (n=chatzill@h237.231.143.24.cable.snbr.sanbrunocable.com) 11.04.04 # type 'cd build' 11.04.38 # jhara: you really don't know what you're typing... mkdir = make directory 11.05.23 # i know but thats what vm is telling me. and its haru not hara 11.06.05 # jharu: so either use the dir again or remove it and recreate it 11.06.53 # i did. erased and reextract the debian 11.07.17 # so it probably contains the build dir already 11.07.34 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 11.07.56 # I spoke of the build dir only 11.08.00 # not the entire installation 11.08.08 # petur: The pure is the one without radio 11.08.32 # ok, I probably need to open it up? 11.09.09 # * GodEater_ likes the new Web 2.0 BBC home page 11.09.37 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 11.09.37 # amiconn: nevermind, debug menu works 11.09.55 Join stewball [0] (n=WTFOMGBB@91.104.205.224) 11.10.28 Quit Jakeworld ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") 11.10.55 Quit mrkiko (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.11.10 # well then, HDTune didn't find any bad sectors, Newest rockbox build is installed, so off I go, testing my h340 with non-custom rockbox buil 11.11.39 # I'll report my findings later 11.11.45 # is it supposed to open up something when i type cd build_e200? i never made it to mkdir... 11.12.06 # it started like this again... 11.12.47 Join mrkiko [0] (n=mrkiko@host169-98-static.34-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it) 11.13.54 Join Llorean [50] (n=DarkkOne@cpe-70-113-103-34.austin.res.rr.com) 11.14.41 Quit Bonusbartus ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 11.15.07 Quit mrkiko (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.16.44 # jharu: open up? 11.16.50 # you're using a command line shell 11.16.57 # you change current directory with cd 11.17.04 # open up a directory? 11.17.14 # imo, you should rather read up on how to use a shell before you try this further 11.17.28 Quit pondlife ("Read error: 110 (Connection slimed out)") 11.17.42 Quit daurnimator ("ZNC by prozac - http://znc.sourceforge.net") 11.17.57 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 11.18.01 # im still waiting vm to finish what its doing. its currently in rockbox/apps/plugins 11.18.05 Join mrkiko [0] (n=mrkiko@88.34.98.169) 11.18.15 # you mean it's compiling? 11.18.16 Join daurnimator [0] (n=daurn@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 11.18.32 # i think so 11.18.36 # "vm" does nothing but to run the host os 11.18.43 # it is gcc that compiles 11.19.07 # ah guest os being the term vmware use 11.19.41 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p549641C4.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.20.25 # the rockbox one is "compiling" waiting to show the "user$debian" 11.20.43 # the rockbox one? 11.21.07 Quit petur (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.24.10 # i extracted the debian.7z and clicked the rockbox.vmx(?) vm showed the logo. i went x-shells/eterm then svn co svn://... till cd rockbox. was still typing the mkdir when the .c and .h files started rampaging the screen. 11.25.35 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 11.27.01 # Sounds like it's still performing the svn checkout 11.29.01 # well ill just wait till it finishes... 11.29.31 # that's always a good idea 11.29.43 # I think you are just a bit impatient 11.31.50 # the guide never said anything like this. just that its easy to compile. and never said if you type cd rockbox wait for this and that... 11.32.05 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpnf145.ugent.be) 11.32.14 Quit Mathiasdm (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.32.24 # jharu: thousands of people still managed to do this... 11.32.32 # jharu: after you are done you can try to improve the guide 11.32.39 # jharu: It's the "svn co svn://" bit that's still running 11.33.02 # and you'll need to wait for all commands to finish before you can continue to the next step 11.33.42 # I guess there could be a mention that the svn command might take a while 11.34.50 # * GodEater_ just checked out Linus' kernel git tree - took nearly an hour. 11.34.57 # hehe 11.35.05 # well that's slightly bigger than rockbox too 11.35.17 Quit mrkiko (Remote closed the connection) 11.35.54 Quit desowin ("KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/") 11.35.55 # somewhat ;) 11.36.34 # a full svn co rockbox is a little over 100MB 11.37.52 # we're catching up then 11.38.02 # Linus's tree is around 500MB - so we're at 20% of Linux ;) 11.39.21 # or 5x as good? ;-) 11.39.25 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpnf145.ugent.be) 11.39.54 # linux (2.6.20) Total Physical Source Lines of Code (SLOC) = 5,195,245 11.40.03 # Rockbox, now with 5x less bloat than Linux(tm) 11.40.09 # rockbox (svn) Total Physical Source Lines of Code (SLOC) = 494,670 11.40.17 # that's a factor >10x 11.40.46 # and I bet 2.6.20 is smaller than the current ;-) 11.40.47 # curious - I wonder why the directory is so much smaller than that would suggest 11.41.06 # very short lines of source code ? ;) 11.41.46 # difference between svn and git? 11.41.58 # this kernel tree is 280MB 11.42.04 # vs rockbox's ~100 11.42.33 # that 100MB is with all the .svn doubles though, or? 11.42.54 # no, my ~src/rockbox is actually 222 MB including everything 11.43.10 # ah, ok 11.43.17 # which I figure should be twice the data amount 11.43.39 # and I erased my build dirs before I check 11.44.41 # something is strange here 11.44.55 # 100*MB/494670 makes 211 bytes per LOC 11.45.25 # that doesnt sound right 11.45.48 # is fonts included? 11.45.55 # aaah yes 11.46.12 # the fonts are 30MB alone 11.46.20 Join yoavk [0] (n=4fb68dc7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2ca3b1573c515056) 11.46.39 # and a bunch more are bitmaps 11.47.13 # haha... and manual 11.47.23 # at 10MB 11.47.58 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/developer/desowin) 11.50.41 # Bagder: sounds? 11.50.52 Part yoavk 11.51.37 # no, we have no sounds in svn 11.51.41 # but we have WPSes... 11.52.03 # so actually the larger part of the 100MB are not source 11.53.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.53.44 # this thing is so sloooowwwww...... 11.54.52 # well, the svn server is not slow 11.55.01 # jharu: If it's the check out, it's dependent on your internet connection speed 11.56.30 # maybe coz im in a wireless network... 11.57.56 # I'm always on wireless, and I can't say I have slow access 11.59.10 # then i dont know why. maybe because my mate here uses the latest 17" macbook and im using a crummy old desktop 11.59.43 # it's probably because you have a crummy connection from whereever you are to the svn server in Sweden 12.01.09 # argh that means i cant do this offline? or just until i comleted the compiling? and fyi my net speed is 4 mbps 12.01.26 # you can only get stuff from the svn server when online, yes 12.02.01 # * petur wonders what jharu is going to do with the code 12.03.32 # jharu: but you don't need an internet connection for the actual compiling ('make') 12.04.03 # petur, well im gonna learn it and do some refresh course on this. maybee make a patch or two ;D 12.05.50 # markun, so it is downloadin... i taugth it was extractin that 217 mb debian thing... 12.06.23 # hey markun 12.07.37 # Llorean: is it true that you got the html manual building under cygwin for you (i.e. successfully installed tex4ht there)? (someone mentioned that yesterday who thought he had heard it) 12.08.03 # pixelma: A *long* time ago, I remember doing so. 12.08.33 # Back then all I needed were the two tetex packages, tex4ht and some package for UCS support. 12.08.58 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 12.09.54 # I would be interested. When I tried I failed to figure out how to install the tex4ht package manually (mainly the changes to the paths that are mentioned there). 12.10.02 # time result for a complete virgin svn co under less than ideal conditions for me is 5m45.606s 12.10.31 # Llorean: maybe something else but can't tell you more because I didn't get far 12.10.35 # hi daurnimator 12.10.46 # via my VPN over 8Mb/s and a variety of encrypting / decrypting of stuff :) 12.11.02 # pixelma: I really don't remember what I did. It must've been nearly a year ago, I think. 12.11.46 # in case you ever try again... 12.12.30 # well good for you godeater... hope i finish this before going home. 12.12.32 # If I ever do I'll let you know 12.12.52 # Since I'm on Linux now, it's probably not too likely that I'll be wrestling with Cygwin though. :) 12.13.29 # i'll try time svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox 12.13.29 # :p 12.13.30 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 12.13.50 # Llorean: keeping your secret knowledge? Nooo... ;( 12.13.50 # 8.184u 7.488s 0:39.71 39.4% 0+0k 0+0io 29pf+0w 12.14.09 # 233M rockbox/ 12.14.31 # darn im stuck at rockbox/fonts/courb08.bdf.... 12.14.39 # not to slow :) 12.14.57 # pixelma: Considering it was a long time ago, it's also possible I'm remembering getting it working with VMWare and merely thinking it was Cygwin... I just *think* I got it working back then. 12.15.18 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 12.16.44 # anyway i can do this while offline? (after the compiling) 12.16.54 # jharu: You aren't compiling 12.17.02 # You're downloading the source code 12.17.09 # You can do the compiling part offline. 12.17.21 Join yoavk [0] (n=4fb68dc7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-171aeba05c9b68fb) 12.17.58 # Llorean: ok, thanks anyway. (just hoped you knew more, btw. IIRC pondlife also tried and failed). 12.18.11 # How do I compile a plugin written in C using cygwin? 12.18.43 # pixelma: Well, it's entirely possible I didn't succeed and have confused memories. Sorry I can't help more with this one 12.18.46 # yoavk: add it to the SOURCES file and do a normal make 12.19.46 # how do I do that? (sorry for ignorance, its my first try) 12.19.56 # still lagging... zzzzzz..... 12.20.23 # yoavk: can you compile rockbox yourself already? 12.20.34 # I didn't try 12.21.00 # do that first then... 12.21.10 # OK thanks 12.21.25 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling 12.22.24 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@79.16.206.202) 12.22.35 Quit spiorf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.22.55 Quit ctaylorr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.23.21 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host202-206-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 12.23.55 Quit spiorf (Client Quit) 12.24.09 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host202-206-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 12.30.39 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 12.34.51 Join moos [0] (i=moos@m237.net81-66-159.noos.fr) 12.37.06 Join OlivierBorowski [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-157-1-4-226.w86-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) 12.42.56 Join Mathiasdm2 [0] (n=Mathias@d54C597B6.access.telenet.be) 12.45.23 # My user name has a space in it. how can I run cygwin correctly? 12.46.14 Join Mathias [0] (n=Mathias@vpnc065.ugent.be) 12.46.33 # yoavk: I'd suggest by placing the rockbox files in a dir that doesn't have a space in the name 12.47.04 # Badger: My problem is that cygwin creates my home dir with a space 12.47.59 # then don't put the rockbox files in there 12.48.25 # but how can I build it if its not there? 12.48.37 # you can place the rockbox files anywhere 12.49.04 # alright now time to simulate!!! 12.49.38 # yoavk: for example, you can reach the C: drive with /cygdrive/c in cygwin 12.50.02 # so you can have C:\rockbox as your development directory 12.50.13 # OK thank you! 12.50.13 # i.e use /cygdrive/c/rockbox 12.53.48 # after dl the source, can i copy it and set it up on my home desktop? it doesnt have net access so i cant use the svn co svn:// 12.54.06 # jharu: you only need to do the checkout 1 time 12.54.41 # after that you can update the rockbox source by typing "svn up" in your source tree 12.55.42 # jharu: you can copy it around as much as you want, but make sure that the path to it doesn't contain spaces 12.56.43 # LinusN: jharu is our vmware user, I think 12.56.58 Quit homielowe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.57.05 # * LinusN polishes his glasses 12.57.18 # jharu: You'll want net access so you can update to the newest version of the source, but as long as you're not concerned about that, you can copy the image to any computer you like and work on it there. 12.57.19 # I think I've found a playback bug on my gigabeat: If you use the folder skip feature (short click next, long click next), you get no sound from the first track in the new folder until you pause and then play again 12.58.18 # this is r15914 12.58.26 # so not completely up to date 12.58.48 # * GodEater_ updates to latest version 13.01.01 # cant seem to find the simulator i created... 13.02.04 Join thegeek_ [0] (i=thegeek@s220b.studby.ntnu.no) 13.02.41 Quit Mathiasdm2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.03.18 Quit Mathiasdm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.03.24 # jharu: should be in the build directory. Just run ./rockboxui 13.03.35 # after you've done 'make install' ... 13.03.56 # jharu: which guide are you following? 13.04.29 # vmwaredevt.platform twiki 13.05.12 Quit _jhMikeS_ (Nick collision from services.) 13.05.16 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 13.05.30 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UiSimulator 13.05.38 # seems much more suitable 13.06.55 # k thanx 13.07.06 # thanks, my bad lol 13.07.11 Join Faflap [0] (n=eltast@0x3e87eb07.terminal.tdcmobil.dk) 13.12.49 Join maxkelley_ [0] (n=max@cpe-74-69-17-126.rochester.res.rr.com) 13.13.07 # false alarm - new version doesn't do this with playback. 13.13.53 Quit maxkelley (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.18.01 # very weird, in a mini (2nd gen) sim I can find the "Wake-Up Alarm" Option but not the "Alarm Wake up Screen" option as on other targets (btw. "Wake-Up" <> "Wake up" is no typo from me here, must be in some inconsistency in english.lang 13.18.06 # How do I compile a plugin written in C using cygwin? 13.18.26 # * petur hears echoes 13.18.30 Quit thegeek (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.18.43 # * GodEater_ does too 13.19.17 # yoavk: can you build rockbox already? 13.19.22 # yes 13.19.50 # good. now place the .c file in the plugins directory and add it to the SOURCES file 13.20.34 # it's all in apps/plugins/ 13.20.54 # where do I add it in the file? 13.21.12 # what plugin is this? 13.21.37 # yoavk: to test, right at the top 13.21.49 # oi?! tried metronome and my unit vanished?! 13.21.51 # petur: thanx 13.22.15 # petur: do I need to recompile rockbox to test the plugin? 13.22.20 # jharu: black hole software? 13.22.38 # yoavk: yes, do a make and it should compile it too 13.22.43 # no i meant the sim. 13.22.55 # petur: thank you 13.31.41 Quit maxkelley_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.32.08 Quit Faflap ("used WLIrc") 13.32.52 Join maxkelley [0] (n=max@cpe-74-69-17-126.rochester.res.rr.com) 13.37.19 Join jac0b-work [0] (n=jac0b-wo@155.109.5.245) 13.37.44 # i tried ti type make zip after i had my fun on the sim but cant find where it was placed... any ideas? vmware user... 13.38.05 # is there a bmp resize implented into rb now 13.38.32 # jac0b-work: yes 13.38.41 # jharu: make zip doesn't do much for the simulator build, you'll need to reconfigure for your actual target 13.38.46 # but it's not used for AA, only by pictureflow 13.38.57 # so the bmp resize is not needed anymore 13.39.18 # opp 13.39.33 # so you need bmp resize for AA 13.39.51 # if you mean the bmp resize patch, then yes 13.40.55 Join JETC- [0] (n=jetc123@pool-72-76-187-15.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) 13.42.15 # how to reconfigure? type make? 13.42.16 # when I apply that patch I get a make error 13.42.27 # jharu: no, ../tools/configure again 13.42.42 # ohhh, forgot... 13.43.53 # then what next... 13.44.17 # set it to e200 btw 13.46.16 # once you've done the configure 13.46.26 # do "make clean", then "make", and finally "make zip" 13.47.43 # does anyone else get a make error with the bmp resize patch applied? 13.48.17 # im still stuck at choosing advance basic etc. on e200 13.48.32 # jharu: just choose basic 13.48.40 # (N)ormal 13.49.01 # yeah that :) 13.49.03 # hehe 13.49.42 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@pD955EF99.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.50.34 # as (n) is default, one could also just hit enter 13.50.43 # this is gonna take a while to master... 13.53.03 # btw what is this sid? 13.53.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.53.42 # the version of debian 13.55.14 Quit Triskaidekerish ("See Ya!") 13.56.00 # does anyone use the bmp resize patch? 13.56.28 # jac0b-work: i don't think any of the developers use it 13.56.46 # except for the developer of the patch that is 13.56.52 # whoever that is 13.57.32 # I was wanting to see if anyone was having a problem with the patch before commenting the FS page 13.58.11 # jac0b-work: It's probably just out of date. 13.58.34 # yeah I think it is 13.58.47 # I think pictureflow broke it 13.59.37 # isnt it supposed to be in sync with picflow 13.59.44 # ? 14.00.24 # it is supposed to be in sync with the current svn, but it is up to the patch author to make sure it is 14.00.49 # Javem 14.00.51 # Gr 14.01.09 # Haven't we decided that patch isn't really acceptable, and should be implemented in a different way or something? 14.02.11 # i dunno 14.02.39 # I thought the general consensus was "we need a better looking resize, but more importantly, one that can resize in place on the buffer" or some such 14.02.57 # Resize in place on load, that is. 14.03.47 # * Llorean doesn't know anything about the existing implementation, just watched discussion among those who seemed to know more. 14.04.08 # cant find the zip anywhere... 14.04.18 Quit maxkelley (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.04.25 # jharu: It's in the folder you ran "make zip" in 14.05.46 # used the search but cant be found... 14.06.00 # What search? 14.06.13 # windows search 14.06.31 # that wont find it in a vmware image 14.06.43 # jharu: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform#File_sharing 14.08.36 # there is a new resize patch http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8308 14.10.17 Join zicho [0] (n=martin@c-5f9fe355.68-7-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 14.12.43 # so how can i access samba? also i tried typing\\ but ehat comes out is the yen sign... 14.13.28 Quit jac0b-work ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") 14.14.34 Join fasmaie [0] (n=yohann@c-24-60-113-125.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 14.14.45 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007120410]") 14.15.09 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@athedsl-276050.home.otenet.gr) 14.15.22 # jharu:\\debian\root (or user instead of root if you had loged as user) 14.17.01 Join maxkelley [0] (n=max@cpe-74-69-17-126.rochester.res.rr.com) 14.17.03 Join Siku [0] (i=Siku@e81-197-68-206.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 14.18.36 # where to type it... 14.18.54 # in the address bar in windows explorer 14.19.02 # yeah 14.19.26 # it will ask for password and then same pass that for debian 14.20.22 # woah, is this some hidden file or something? found it btw 14.20.43 # that is with samba 14.20.43 # is *what* some hidden file ? 14.21.12 Quit desowin (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14.22.42 # How do i configure a plugin as a app (so it will be in rocks\app folder) 14.24.17 # the one im lookin foe earlier. 14.24.44 # I have no idea what file you were looking for earlier. I'm not psychic 14.25.50 # jharu: The VMware image is a whole virtual computer. It's one big file, basically. To get to the files "in" it, you have to have it share them, like over a network. 14.26.48 # yoavk: edit the file apps/plugins/CATEGORIES 14.29.08 # LinusN: Thankyou 14.31.59 # woah, this is the first time i saw these headerfiles... any wiki to help me understand these? (i know all the ones using<> but not the ones using "" 14.33.26 # jharu: find an article on C 14.33.54 Quit ender` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.33.58 # briefly, the ones in <> are in the system include path, the ones in "" are relative to the current file 14.36.26 # checkin the web... this bring back memories of college. though i usually am better using c++ that any other language... 14.37.34 Part LinusN 14.38.14 # it's a common feature of C++ too. 14.40.24 Join Sammienator [0] (n=stbouwer@a200098.upc-a.chello.nl) 14.40.25 Join Josh`W [0] (i=JoshW@61.74.208.203.cable.dyn.bal.ncable.com.au) 14.41.13 # though we heavily rely on ones using <> than the other 14.41.23 # as header files 14.41.58 # also noticed the word *main* is missing 14.43.40 # jharu: Whether you rely on <> vs "" headers isn't really a C vs C++ thing. 14.43.49 Join karashata [0] (n=Kimi@207.61.208.119) 14.43.58 Quit Genre9mp3 () 14.47.00 # jharu: where do you think it's missing from ? 14.47.25 # how do I get kdevelop to work with the rockbox-svn? is there a howto or something similar? 14.47.29 Join japc [0] (n=japc@194.65.5.235) 14.47.47 # MethoS-: I don't think so - I don't know of anyone else using it. 14.48.00 # although you can of course use it as a fine editor 14.48.10 # so, what r u using? 14.48.15 # vim 14.48.30 # hmm, i prefer kdevelop over vim :) 14.48.41 # I'd never have guessed; ) 14.48.42 # GodEater: I placed screendumps on the rockbox forum 14.48.51 # about pictureflow 14.48.51 # Sammienator: I saw - I'm not a pictureflow expert though 14.48.59 # so you'll have to wait for someone who is 14.49.06 # Ok 14.49.11 # it will help though I'm sure ;) 14.50.11 Quit JoshW (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.51.05 # * petur likes kdevelop too 14.51.29 # I thought you used windows though ? 14.51.48 Quit HellDragon (Client Quit) 14.51.59 # I do rockbox on my laptop which runs ubuntu ;) 14.52.45 # with kdevelop? oO 14.52.50 Quit jharu () 14.53.19 Join thegeek [0] (i=thegeek@s220b.studby.ntnu.no) 14.53.32 # sure 14.53.45 Join HellDragon [0] (i=jd@unaffiliated/helldragon) 14.54.13 Join Mathiasdm2 [0] (n=Mathias@d54C597B6.access.telenet.be) 14.54.28 # could you explain, how I can make the svn & kdevelop work, please 14.55.17 # I use kdevelop as editor only, I use kdesvn or whatever it is called for svn 14.55.31 # mhm 14.56.59 # I use most programs and tools of KDE (even konversation), I just don't like teheir windowdressing so I use gnome :) 14.57.05 # -e 14.57.55 # :9 15.02.21 Join Langly- [0] (i=Langly@c-24-21-39-47.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 15.02.21 Quit Langly (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.02.29 Join LinusN [200] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 15.05.35 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpnb209.ugent.be) 15.05.58 Quit thegeek_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.07.22 Join MethoS-- [0] (n=clemens@pD955FBA3.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.08.02 Quit fasmaie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.11.18 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/developer/desowin) 15.11.53 Join Axio` [0] (n=Axio@alf94-1-81-57-140-233.fbx.proxad.net) 15.12.13 Quit Mathias (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.12.17 # where are the keymappings for the mp3-players saved? is there an *.ini or are they hardcoded? 15.12.50 # hardcoded 15.12.54 # :/ 15.13.02 Join kugel [0] (i=kugel@unaffiliated/kugel) 15.13.05 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.t-2.net) 15.13.05 # we do this to make support for us easier 15.13.40 # I just thought of making an keymapping editor for rbutil.. 15.13.57 # sorry - won't be possible 15.14.07 # There's also just so many different functions bound to keys in different screens that fully custom keymaps is hardly feasible anyway. 15.14.33 # ok 15.17.05 # Llorean: about the resizing, I think the most imporant point was "a better looking one", then we could try to implement resize on load or in-place resizing, but both are harder then having a src and a dst buffer 15.17.45 # harder *than*... I always make that typ damnit 15.18.57 # LinusN: got an opinion about it? we now have a very nice looking bilinear resizing in the tracker 15.19.04 # Nico_P: Well there's a better looking one in the tracker, and I think it's even partially addressing the resize-on-load thing 15.19.11 # It says it doesn't need static buffers, at least 15.19.31 # Nico_P: I've finished FS#8335 15.19.32 # i think resizing would be nice to have 15.19.46 # I really think resizing is nearly mandatory for album art. 15.19.53 Join MethoS--- [0] (n=clemens@pD955DB5E.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.19.54 # Llorean: from what I understood, the static buffer was a kind of lookup table, but even in the latest version there is still need for src and dst 15.20.01 # At least, the expectation that a user should have more than one copy (one per WPS size) is somewhat silly 15.20.23 # kugel: cool, I'll check it out 15.20.47 # Nico_P: Can, during buffering, a temp buffer be allocated at the "end" of the free buffer space, the image copied there to be "SRC" and then where it will finally be in the buffer be "Dest"? 15.21.22 # yeah I had thought of somthing like that 15.21.28 # it could work 15.22.12 # I mean, resize on load makes more sense (to me) than resize on display. But that' me. 15.22.14 Quit Mathiasdm2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.22.45 # Some people have rather ridiculously sized album art on disk, at least 15.22.52 # Llorean: by resize on load I mean without the need of a temp buffer, like it's done in the current bmp resize patch 15.23.10 # Aaaah 15.23.14 # * amiconn thinks resize-on-load is both easier to implement and resource friendlier 15.23.48 # amiconn: even for bilinear resizing? 15.24.26 # sure 15.24.53 Quit anap40 (Connection reset by peer) 15.24.59 # amiconn: do such implementations exist already? 15.25.51 # Nico_P: your plugin button action implementation in pf is not nice. The "fix" for the c200 earlier now breaks new feature of the track list (you can't go up/down)... :/ 15.27.16 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 15.27.17 # pixelma: I think jott told me reversing the order back fixed this nex problem... have you tried that? 15.27.29 # s/nex/new 15.27.30 # I know that a lot other plugins define such a combination of contexts but there are conflicts too 15.27.47 # How do I add button events to my plugin? 15.27.54 # Nico_P: it might fix the list but will break the menu again... 15.28.21 # I mean that you couldn't enter the menu on c200 15.28.21 # pixelma: then why is it my implementation that isn't nice? 15.28.26 Join Daniel_S [0] (n=57b0d9b0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2bfe76f046b76932) 15.29.57 Quit Daniel_S (Client Quit) 15.30.40 # I didn't mean that you are the first to do so, just a general remark 15.31.44 # ok... I have to say I'm disappointed that it's buggy because the concept is nice... I should really take a look 15.33.31 # aside from my dislike of this system for plugins in general - this combining of contexts is really too simple. 15.34.40 # why don't you like it? isn't the only other option to add a bunch of #defines? 15.34.46 # and/or the possible contexts has to be thought through 15.36.34 # Nico_P: I already started two discussion about it... (1) here, that ended up in upset people - and (2) in the dev mailing list which didn't really become a discussion 15.37.07 # I'll read the mails then 15.37.13 # my first mail has some arguments 15.38.34 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.39.37 Quit MethoS-- (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 15.42.11 # btw. the fact that you don't know about the conflicts (and different targets) shows that the system has its down sides IMO 15.42.28 # pixelma: what I don't understand is that PF really uses the 4 directions, menu and quit... how problematic can that be? I think it indicates a flaw in the c200 action mapping more than in the system itself 15.42.37 # no 15.42.44 Part LinusN 15.43.03 # Does PF still mix contexts? 15.43.08 # the problem is that "down" = "menu" 15.43.15 # yes 15.43.20 # So that's the problem, right there. 15.43.35 # You're only guaranteed to avoid conflicts if you stay within one context, right? 15.43.55 # yeah, quite a few plugins do that uses PLA 15.45.13 # How do I add button events to my plugin? 15.45.39 # yoavk: rb->button_get() 15.45.50 # Llorean: I would think (and hope) that you could seperate the definitions but didn't care enough to try that in pf 15.46.03 # Zagor: What does that give me? 15.46.05 # pixelma: ok looking at the c200 manual helped me understand... how is it in the regular menus? how do you go up and down? 15.46.23 # with up and down 15.46.30 # yoavk: the button code 15.46.53 # pixelma: then where is the "submenu" button used? 15.47.03 # Zagor: Huh? 15.47.14 # I mean where does it actually open a submenu instead of being simply "down"? 15.47.52 # WPS, I think? 15.48.45 # pixelma: at the risk of repeating myself, this problem looks very c200-specific to me 15.49.11 # Nico_P: Misusing the action system isn't c200-specific, it's just most obvious when you have less keys. 15.49.20 # yoavk: sorry I have no respose för "Huh?". please rephrase your question. 15.49.48 # no, if you combine contexts you'll always risk conflicts in one of the keymaps, no matter what targets. 15.50.27 # Zagor: Then how do I add a button event (ie When the [play] button is pressed do func();) 15.50.47 # yoavk: Maybe you should look at some of the other plugins for examples. 15.51.13 # Nico_P: could have been another target too, and it wouldn't make me wonder if there are 15.51.15 # yoavk: while(1) { switch(rb->button_get(true)) { case BUTTON_PLAY: func(); break } } 15.51.42 # yoavk: you don't get asynchronous events. you poll. 15.51.49 # Zagor: Thank you! 15.52.20 # How do I get the location of the wheel (on an iPod)? 15.52.30 # Nico_P: maybe that scroll forward/backward problem on the e200s has the same origin 15.53.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.54.15 # btw: I'm trying to simplify the scroll buttons for e200 & ipods 15.54.34 # meaning rename the buttons to CLOCK and COUNTER respectively 15.54.55 Quit GodEater_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.55.38 # yoavk: you don't. you get BUTTON_SCROLL_FWD and _BACK events 15.56.11 # Nico_P: "down" as menu would work perfectly in pf when used outside the list, if the list would use something else you could move it up/down and "left" or "power" would take you back to the "normal" view 15.56.33 # Zagor: There's some method for getting the wheel position. Rockboy divides it into 8 regions for use as buttons, iirc. At least, I think that feature got included eventually. 15.56.52 # I'm starting to thing the best option might be to go back to the #defines 15.56.58 # Llorean: oh, ok 15.57.04 # Zagor & Llorean: Thank you 15.57.25 # Nico_P: Are you sure? I don't really like this (I know my opinion doesn't count) 15.58.21 # kugel: I'm not sure of anything... the other possibility is to give the c200 special treatment 15.59.20 # having to think about each target individually is really not going to make me happy though 15.59.51 # Nico_P: Maybe a border should be drawn, those with enough keys can be treated generic, and those with too less keys must be treated specially 15.59.53 # Or you could make sure to make all your choices from within one context, right? 16.01.05 # maybe that's possible 16.01.05 # if there is one that would cover all (which I doubt) 16.01.05 # * kugel is wondering why iPods can zoom with the wheel in the jpeg viewer and e200s not 16.02.35 Join z35 [0] (n=z@149.123.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) 16.04.32 Join scorche|w [0] (n=42c007b2@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 16.07.19 # I just get to know the problem of all this #defines 16.07.39 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 16.08.28 # I need to change BOTTON_SCROLL_UP to BUTTON_SCROLL_COUNTER for nearly every single plugin ;; 16.10.21 # Nico_P: I'm not sure if this works but couldn't you seperate the defines list into two: context_blah - #define pf_this, and context_blub - #define pf_that? 16.11.43 # pixelma: I don't understand... the context are c vars, they have nothing to do with the preprocessor 16.15.02 Quit Sammienator () 16.16.39 # sigh, it's so hard to explain for me. It should make sure that the define what should be used for BUTTON_DOWN for example is not taken from the wrong context (which is what the first "fix" achieved by revorting the order) 16.16.54 # *reverting 16.17.44 Quit Axio` (Remote closed the connection) 16.18.41 # hmm... maybe make pluginlib_getaction accept one specific context as arg? 16.18.49 # pixelma: is that close to what you mean? 16.23.07 # I'm not sure if we are talking about the same thing, sorry 16.24.15 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-024-163-032-204.nc.res.rr.com) 16.24.53 # Button actions for plugins are A Bad Thing, imo, and should be reverted 16.25.23 Quit MethoS--- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.25.24 # the problem is 16.25.48 # that c200 has two actions mapped to BUTTON_DOWN in PLA 16.26.16 # what's the menu button of the c200 outside the plugins? 16.26.24 # yes, because of the combination of contexts 16.27.06 # and I bet that you'll find other cases of that - for other targets, in othe PLA plugins 16.27.16 # action_std_menu is mapped to the power button 16.27.23 # maybe this should be the same in PLA 16.28.43 # as far is i can see, the rec button is unmapped in PLA 16.28.53 Join webguest49 [0] (n=cb3b727b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-bf3bd617d139d456) 16.28.53 # maybe this can be used to quit a plugin 16.29.14 # pixelma: if each call to pluginlib_getaction specifies one and only one context, there are no more possile conflicts 16.29.46 # and then you need "long power" for "off" again which isn't ideal either. In the pf main screen there would be _no_ problem to map it to "down" - just that it doesn't work in the new list view 16.30.08 # ^at kugel 16.30.35 # having 2 actions on 1 button is a general problem imo, regardless if it works in all cases except this one 16.30.49 # Nico_P: that sounds very complicated 16.31.01 # * pixelma gives up :( 16.31.23 # pixelma: what's bad about a long power for off? the e200 does have this 16.32.13 # kugel: There are many actions for each button. But only one action PER context. Which is the whole point of contexts, you're not supposed to mix them. 16.32.40 # I don't mix it 16.33.20 # if you hold it too long, you can easily switch the player off completely. (And btw. I admit I used "long power" for some plugin too, but I'd like to avoid it) 16.34.07 # as a user of e200, I'm very fine with long power. It's very usable imo 16.34.38 # kugel: pf mixes two (otherwise there wouldn't be two different mappings as you found out yourself)... 16.36.52 # and the most interesting (and annoying) thing is - the c200 is actually not short of buttons but some are just a bit awkward in certain circumstances 16.39.29 # kugel: There are three contexts defined in pluginlib_actions, and I don't see BUTTON_DOWN repeated for c200 in any of those contexts. Where exactly do you see it being used for more than one thing within the same context? 16.40.09 # It's used in two of the three contexts, so it IS used twice. In two _different_ contexts. 16.41.24 # Oh, yea, my bad, sorry. 16.41.25 Quit webguest49 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 16.42.06 # but rec button is still unused 16.42.25 # I really think that button defines in the plugins are really easier in the end even though it's more to type - but you have more control, spot potential conflicts, don't have to care about what your change may do to other plugins. 16.43.01 # They also mean that you don't end up compromising, saying "Well, it's a little awkward, but it works with the current context" to get your controls to fit. 16.43.07 # Instead you customize them for each player nicely. 16.43.14 # the other way would be to have tons of contexts in the lib because there are so many plugins with very different control schemes 16.43.36 Join jharu [0] (n=jayharu@212.118.111.29) 16.45.27 # maybe you can have PLA for a few plugins very generic control schemes but that has to be thought through thoroughly 16.45.45 # But if a button changes, or a new target with new buttons joins the familiy, you have to edit the buttons for every single plugin 16.45.54 # add a "with" wherever it fits 16.46.37 Join Sammienator [0] (n=stbouwer@a200098.upc-a.chello.nl) 16.47.50 # If a button changes, you DON'T have to edit every single plugin. 16.48.09 # They'd keep working as they did previously, actually an advantage. 16.49.39 # I meant, if I renamed a button from BUTTON_SCROLL_UP to BUTTON_SCROLL_COUNTER, something like this 16.50.17 # So what, like 20 minute's work on the very rare occasion that a button define name changes? 16.50.54 Join Mathiasdm2 [0] (n=Mathias@d54C597B6.access.telenet.be) 16.51.07 # I'd rather have a working system that takes a little extra work to maintain than a broken system that stays in use because it's easier to make changes to, even if it does cause problems. 16.51.59 # true 16.52.23 # Though some plugins make use of the core actions well enough, actually 16.53.12 Join pondlife [50] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 16.54.00 # yes a few 16.54.02 Quit jharu () 16.56.39 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 16.57.08 # * kugel 's noticing that so many plugins doesn't use the scroll wheel of the e200 for no reason =( 16.57.14 # don't* 16.59.43 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@pD955C7C8.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.01.05 # How do I print a string to the screen (for now, only for iPod video)? 17.02.19 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 17.02.36 # how about looking at some other parts of the source to see how things are done? 17.04.29 # I tried but it just doesn't seem to work. (I tried rb->lcd_puts();) 17.06.37 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@usw3662-s-207-244-148-63.dsl.w-link.net) 17.08.49 Quit Mathiasdm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.09.21 # yoavk: you need to refresh the lcd to make it appear 17.10.19 # petur: How do I do that? 17.12.16 # petur: Just to call rb->lcd_update(); ? 17.12.26 # yes 17.13.17 # Nico_P: And did you look at it allreadyß 17.13.19 # ? 17.13.27 # kugel: no, sorry 17.14.05 # yoavk: don't forget to rb->lcd_clear_display(); if you repaint the screen 17.14.36 Quit advcomp2019 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.17.10 Join GodEater_ [50] (n=bryan@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 17.17.44 # petur: Thanks 17.20.05 Join catb [0] (n=d4b786d1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-80686057ed9b8be9) 17.22.32 Quit Mathiasdm2 ("I have left the building!") 17.23.46 Quit karashata (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Would you like to know more?") 17.25.35 Quit catb ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 17.34.00 Join keanu [0] (n=keanu@unaffiliated/keanu) 17.34.42 Join mrkiko [0] (n=mrkiko@adsl-ull-136-203.42-151.net24.it) 17.40.48 Quit CaptainSquid ("Miranda IM!") 17.42.54 Join faemir [0] (n=daniel@85-211-25-197.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk) 17.44.07 # Alright, where do we stand on rejecting tasks now that surely must be rejected at some point in the future. 17.44.36 # For example, I know viewports isn't in yet, but there are several tasks that are going to be rejected when viewports happens. What is the benefit of not rejecting them now? 17.45.17 # Llorean: could they be accepted if viewports never happen? 17.45.19 # It seems to me, at least, that leaving them there is misleading to people who aren't aware of the direction things are supposed to go, as well as encouraging work on a whole host of WPSes and other things that will just require an awful lot of work to bring up to date one day. 17.45.33 # markun: Some could, I'm sure. 17.45.58 # But for that, we'd need to be able to say that one day we can say "viewports will never happen" 17.46.21 # or not be afraid to remove that code lateron when viewports do happen 17.46.25 # Basically, we need a final "Assume viewports will happen" or "Assume viewports will not happen and start accepting patches" I think, but leaving these in limbo is just problematic, in my mind 17.46.35 # that's a solid point, though, markun. I think the current assumption has long been that viewports are a "when" not an "if". 17.47.07 # Soap: I also think so, but it might take years if nobody wants to / can work on it 17.47.31 # And the current state will then be that in years, people will still be maintaining these limbo patches. 17.47.46 # Rejecting them now is surely nicer than rejecting them two years from now, when we knew now that they would be. 17.47.56 # what about accepting them now? 17.48.02 # Isn't it against the spirit of open source close those patches just to avoid forks? IMO it is 17.48.10 # We should either starting herding them to acceptance with the intent of removing them with viewports, or reject them clearly 17.48.17 # kugel: That's silly 17.48.30 # Rockbox has already been forked a few dozen times 17.48.46 # Every unsupported build is one, and removing those patches won't make unsupported builds disappear 17.48.54 # But it will make it clear that these features aren't going to enter SVN ever. 17.48.58 # (copied from -community): if those patches are closed, wouldn't custom builders just sync it themselves, since quite a few themes would stop working? 17.49.04 # How possible would it be to make viewports a modular work? Reading linuxstb's document on it - it sure sounds like a monolithic element (at least to get started). 17.49.08 # keanu: And they're more than welcome to. 17.49.28 # keanu: The point isn't to stamp out these patches. 17.49.35 # Actually I don't see the danger that any of the custom builds would overcome the official build 17.49.37 # kugel: no-one's stopping a fork if that's what you want to do - we're really just talking about not hosting those forks. 17.49.39 # It's to clean up the tracker, and make it absolutely clear they aren't getting accepted (if they aren't) 17.49.50 # kugel: You're misunderstanding the purpose. 17.49.57 # Llorean, ah, ok 17.51.09 Join Frazz [0] (n=Fraser@thelawsons.plus.com) 17.51.24 # It (possibly) seems that the real use of the tracker is blurred - is it that people use the tracker for hosting patches, rather than trying to get them into the official build? 17.51.36 # keanu: That's the problem, yes 17.51.49 # Llorean, ok, I think I'm starting to understand now 17.51.53 # Its intent is for contributing to Rockbox. 17.52.29 # So I'd like it to become more black and white. Rejections when something is unsuitable. Rejections with comments when "The idea is good, the implementation is unsound, try using X to Y and post a new patch" 17.52.31 # But some patches are so popular that they're being synced solely for custom builds 17.52.37 # * keanu thinks..? 17.52.46 # Much less patches sitting in limbo, forever synced, but never actually had anything done about them 17.52.59 # keanu: we really don't care about the popularity in custom builds 17.53.11 # we want them popular in core rockbox 17.53.13 # or not at all 17.53.14 # Concerning the several WPS patches. Noone is trying to get them into the build, since they feel that there work will be obsolete with viewports 17.53.15 # Popularity doesn't make a patch suitable for inclusion. 17.53.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.53.23 # GodEater_, I'm not referring to the popularity of custom builds, but the popularity of the patches in them 17.53.33 # keanu: so am I :) 17.53.34 # kugel: Yes, and if they will be obsolute, why shouldn't we close them? 17.53.42 # obsolete 17.53.50 # how about experimental plugins? 17.53.58 # hcs: Experimental plugins? 17.53.59 # why not include them until they become obsolete? 17.54.05 # markun: I wouldn't mind that either. 17.54.07 # markun, what I was thinking 17.54.20 # Llorean: like the wiki reader, which i don't forsee ever actually being in the build 17.54.22 # markun: My goal is to make things more black and white, I really don't care which direction. 17.54.26 # #ifndef VIEWPORTS #endif 17.54.27 # the main problem is for me, that I see no progress of viewports at all, and this is why I feel a bit lost within that vicious cycle 17.54.35 # *in svn 17.54.51 # because people will start using them in wps's and get upset when they must change again when viewports arrive 17.54.53 # hcs: Why can't it be included? Touches the core? 17.54.57 # I don't think it's really a matter of when it will be obsolete, but what will be used instead from the time the patch is closed until the time when something replaces that patch 17.54.57 # with albumart without MoB the problem was that it would waste memory for people not using it, but I don't think we have that problem of every patch 17.55.13 # of -> for 17.55.15 # markun: The only issue is, as petur mentioned, one intent with viewports is to maintain backwards compatibility 17.55.25 # Moving from all these patches to viewports will require rewriting of nearly every WPS 17.55.40 # keanu: Why are we obligated to provide placeholders? 17.56.01 # Llorean: no, just requires a bunch of other tools and a lot of data and isn't really being worked on, seems like it'll be a perpetual proof of concept 17.56.23 # Llorean, I'm not saying you're obligated, but at the same time, I don't speak for everyone that uses the patches 17.56.49 # hcs: Then it should be closed with "Out of Date" or whatever that close message is. I really don't think though that it can't be included if someone gets it working well. 17.57.02 # Llorean, I'm just wondering what people will do when they find that the patch is closed with no replacement (until viewports) 17.57.20 # keanu: Some will surely maintain it elsewhere 17.57.45 # But there's also the chance that others will say "Oh, well, I have this other idea, and now that I have this time back, I can work on it..." and maybe contribute something that can be committed? 17.57.52 # Really, I'm not too concerned what they do. 17.57.59 # I just want to draw the line more clearly 17.58.02 # so the point is: we must start implementing viewports soon :) 17.58.11 # petur, sure ;) 17.58.30 # is it normal to need to reformat my rockboxed ipod every couple of months these days? 17.58.36 # petur: There's other relevant patches 17.58.45 # Nimdae: no 17.58.46 # The slider progress bar, which is a reimplementation of a previously *removed* feature 17.58.50 # the double click patch. 17.59.13 # A patch dependent upon the double click patch, which may actually be acceptable if the dependency were removed 17.59.23 Join ColdSphinX^ [0] (n=pascal@T3c9b.t.pppool.de) 18.00.02 # i keep running into an issue where the files are completely undamaged, but rockbox will stop playing complete songs for multiple songs (not all of them), with them being cut off at the same place each time playback is attempted...copying the files off, reformatting, then copying them back will fix it 18.00.08 Join digitallo [0] (n=digitall@gsdt13.gradsch.ohio-state.edu) 18.00.08 # And the "custom splash screen" patch 18.00.25 # Are all examples of patches that should be rejected since they're not going to be included (afaik) 18.00.56 # Llorean, I can agree that the custom splash screen can be rejected 18.01.48 # wait...double click? as in...making the use of the buttons more complicated? 18.01.58 # Nimdae: yes. 18.02.01 # There's a double click patch 18.02.08 # i think i'd reject that too 18.02.20 # Even I'd reject that 18.02.38 # Llorean: I've been wanting to say this for some weeks: it is time for another tracker cleanup week. But better after the holidays I think (by then we'll have reached 1000 open tasks) 18.02.51 # Then there's a FF/RW patch that offers a mode similar to ipods (rotate the wheel to pick a location in the file) but it's invoked by double click I believe 18.02.52 # What would be the closure reason for custom splashs creen patch?+ 18.02.59 # petur: I agree 18.03.10 # petur: Maybe we should set "Rejection Guidelines" for the cleanup? 18.03.15 # kugel: "rejected" 18.03.21 # lol 18.03.31 # i'd reject custom splashesas well 18.03.48 Quit ColdSphinX^ (Remote closed the connection) 18.03.51 # But why? 18.04.01 # instead, i'd request that the blue be black instead 18.04.04 # kugel: It can't be implemented in a way that doesn't aversely affect those who don't use it. 18.04.21 # the tracker is for mainstream rockbox stuff, all the rest should go 18.04.26 # I can't really see why it should be included though - those who do want to have their own splash screen can do it from the source 18.04.30 # i said instead twice in a sentance, heh 18.05.20 # keanu: That's what I did, and this is why I'm not gonna include that patch ever (several people asked me). 18.05.26 # what about having a second tracker (even if it isn't Rockbox hosted) for patches that aren't meant to be in the official build, or otherwise rejected 18.05.35 # People can do that if they want 18.05.43 # kugel, /me wonders why he still has it in his build, to be honest 18.05.48 # keanu: that's called a fork 18.06.12 Join ColdSphinX^ [0] (n=pascal@T3c9b.t.pppool.de) 18.06.18 # fork means competetion, and competition is good in most cases imo 18.06.29 Quit Frazz ("Leaving") 18.06.43 # it can mean competition, but doesn't necesarily 18.06.44 # Nimdae: Any unsupported build using a can't-be-committed feature is already a fork anyway 18.07.09 Quit roxfan (Connection timed out) 18.07.11 Quit petur ("work->home") 18.07.12 # yeah, but they tend to stick to the main rockbox for their releases 18.07.21 # so it's not a complete fork 18.07.29 # a little fork, like a shrimp fork 18.07.36 # still, i continue to use main rockbox 18.07.57 # mostly because i can do a svn checkout and build ;) 18.08.16 # rather than wait for undetermined periods of time for updates 18.08.19 # I just think it'd be beneficial, or at least "polite" (in the sense of being honest with people) to reject patches if they're not going to be committed. 18.08.40 # Even if it's going to be 12 months before the reason they won't be committed actually happens 18.08.56 # I wouldn't mean for it to be competition, just a place to still keep those patches going, even though they won't ever be in the official build (or at least until a replacement comes) 18.09.34 Part ColdSphinX^ ("Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org") 18.09.41 # keanu: like we said...it isnt like we can stop someone from doing that 18.09.55 # It's open source. 18.10.07 # with any luck, maybe closing the scrolling margins patch will give someone the incentive to work on viewports (and not committing some interim solution) 18.10.17 # Someone could svn update every commit we make, replace the logo, call it "Jellybox" and attempt to sell it, as long as they met the requirements of the GPL 18.11.06 # jellybox.com is available...tempting.. 18.11.06 # pixelma: that's the thing, people work on things they want implemented at the advice of forum admins and devs, but they are things that the devs may not necesarily want 18.11.07 # Yes, though I think that would be a "fair" way to handle it - the patches can be closed in the official tracker, but still continued for those who want to work on it 18.11.27 # keanu: So start another tracker. Nothing's stopping you. 18.12.03 # * Nimdae contemplates starting a Nimdaebox 18.12.11 # kermitbox 18.12.19 # kermit is dead :( 18.12.26 # I've been tempted to rebrand my personal builds "Orpheus" for some time. 18.12.34 # oh no... 18.12.39 # the box i use now for building is called bourbon, though ;) 18.12.41 # Bourbonbox 18.12.47 # wow, the topic sure changed quick ;) 18.13.12 # mahna mahna 18.13.16 # Llorean, that was the name the actually won the popular vote, isn't it? 18.13.25 # Yes 18.13.33 # krazykit: hence the joke :) 18.13.38 # And while I agree "Rockbox" is a better name as a project, I'm still fond of it. 18.13.56 # Llorean: too commonplace/expected 18.13.58 # Orpheus falls into the "Wonderful for people who get it, too strange for those who don't" category I think 18.14.05 # Good point, I'm gonna call my build kugelbox, which would be a nice pun 18.14.10 # scorche|w: Orpheus is? 18.14.31 # krazykit, a suggested name was once Fox-in-Sox 18.14.32 # I can't think of a single person among my friends here who'd make any association between that name and music, honestly 18.15.05 # Llorean: i cant say why, but it just has some sort of association with the name of a project for me 18.15.18 # Well there were the Sennheirs Orpheus phones. 18.15.27 # Morpheus without the 'M' 18.15.31 # We could use "Orpheus" as the name for the 4.0 stable when we get there. 18.15.43 # Since 3.0 and 3.1 have names already, technically 18.15.45 # onery orpheus? 18.15.51 # lol 18.16.01 # I'm wondering what's gonna happen earlier: Viewports or a stable rockbox version ;) 18.16.37 # i'd like to see stable first ;) 18.17.22 # I'd like to see a "stable" version first too 18.17.28 Quit madspin (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.18.11 # Actually, the new year might be a good time for a feature freeze. I don't know if we have many extant features in the works, and while there are bugs, I think most of the known ones are reproduceable. 18.19.19 # BTW: I've finished a patch renaming all BUTTON_SCROLL_UP (_DOWN,_FWD,_BACK) to BUTTON_SCROLL_CLOCK and _COUNTER 18.20.06 # We've talked about that yesterday or so 18.20.18 # I hope not for the H10... :D 18.20.31 # of course not 18.20.40 # * kugel should've mention this 18.21.25 # We talked about that, and the main consensus was that the actual names are missleading 18.21.52 Join ilanur [0] (n=TuttoIRC@adsl-ull-115-155.50-151.net24.it) 18.22.10 # hello, can i know if this firware works on ipod classic 80gb? 18.22.16 # No 18.22.21 # It does not 18.22.37 # ok, and in the future? 18.22.46 # Only if people owning them work on it 18.23.07 # ok 18.23.33 # is there a way to use the folders insted of the tags on the ipod? 18.23.56 # That is better asked somewhere else 18.24.05 # But, probably not 18.24.17 # :( ok 18.24.53 Quit animeloe ("Leaving") 18.25.41 # i should learn how to hack these devices so i can get the ipod classic working 18.25.56 # The iPod classic is going to be a "big" port. 18.26.03 # Everything, or most things, from scratch 18.26.35 # what architecture is the samsung cpu? 18.26.47 # arm afaik 18.27.10 # There's a thread for a T9 port, you might read it (if you didn't allready 18.27.12 # ) 18.27.44 # it would be arm11 then right? 18.28.26 Join J3TC- [0] (n=jetc123@dhcp74-213.njit.edu) 18.28.37 # well, i'm sitting here bored at work, i'll read some forum threads :) 18.32.10 # Llorean: Would you still be interested in such a patch? 18.32.19 # or Nico_P 18.32.37 Part ilanur 18.33.06 Join Axio` [0] (n=Axio@alf94-1-81-57-140-233.fbx.proxad.net) 18.35.24 # hey, I think I found a 'bug' in the pictureflow plugin... 18.35.37 # but it's really hard to explain:( 18.36.13 Quit yoavk ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 18.37.09 # Sammienator, then it will be even harder to fix 18.37.20 # lol 18.37.21 # without an explanation, that is. 18.37.36 # I was still typing:P 18.38.30 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 18.39.05 # when you go to track listing (with a long list) and than scroll down... 18.39.23 # and than press Menu (to go back to album view) and than again go to track listing 18.40.22 # then you still see the last track, but the bar is at the first track, so you can't see the bar 18.40.42 # I hope you understand:S 18.41.48 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A4D4C.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.46.58 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 18.54.35 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-209-129.student.uu.se) 18.56.26 Join Neovangl1st [0] (i=Neovangl@chrisg.phx.neovanglist.net) 18.57.17 Quit Neovanglist (Nick collision from services.) 18.57.27 Nick Neovangl1st is now known as Neovanglist (i=Neovangl@chrisg.phx.neovanglist.net) 18.58.08 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 19.02.32 Quit petur ("switch") 19.02.41 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 19.06.21 Join roxfan [0] (i=dunno@234.216-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) 19.13.43 Nick advcomp2019_ is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 19.13.46 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@f051098233.adsl.alicedsl.de) 19.14.21 Quit Josh`W () 19.17.12 # amiconn: H10 pure disk has been added... 19.19.32 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@m94.net81-66-75.noos.fr) 19.21.21 Quit mirak (SendQ exceeded) 19.21.54 # Nico_P: I'm preparing another patch 19.22.15 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@m94.net81-66-75.noos.fr) 19.22.31 # Nico_P: renaming all BUTTON_SCROLL_UP (_DOWN,_FWD,_BACK) to BUTTON_SCROLL_CLOCK and _COUNTER 19.22.43 # Do you remember? We talked about this issue 19.23.09 # kugel: yeah, but I guess there needs to be discussion before committing 19.23.31 # kugel: that is great, i have been wanting to do the same thing for a while but never got around to it 19.23.46 # No problem. Though we discussed it, and the consensus was that CLOCK and COUNTER are much proper 19.24.10 # kugel: yeah, sounds good to me 19.24.29 # n1s: I'm testing it atm, I gonna upload it to the tracker most likely today 19.28.46 Quit pondlife ("Read error: 110 (Connection slimed out)") 19.31.38 # Ok, fine on my e200 19.32.07 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 19.34.29 Join pask [0] (n=steve@adsl-76-236-78-212.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net) 19.35.19 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@d54C597B6.access.telenet.be) 19.35.48 Join yoavk [0] (n=4fb5a850@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-93894cf01d1e5c93) 19.36.06 # How can I detect the wheel position on the iPod? I've tried wheel_status() but that only changes when you actually move on the wheel. I need a way to detect position even if you just touched the wheel (Like in Ms. Pacman) 19.39.57 Join salty-horse [0] (n=ori@pdpc/supporter/active/salty-horse) 19.40.40 # *touch the wheel* NOT *touched the wheel*. sorry... 19.41.28 # hi. I'm a bit out of date here. is album art in WPS officially supported now? (WPS tags are not in the docs yet) 19.41.50 # salty-horse: sure they are - are they not in the custom WPS wiki page? 19.42.51 # they are, but that page existed even when it wasn't official :) -- they still should be in the docs :) 19.42.56 # thanks for the info 19.42.59 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.20.164) 19.43.51 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan_a@217.23.173.156) 19.43.52 # yoavk: I don't think the wheel has an absolute position 19.44.04 # petur: It does. 19.44.10 # The wheel has 96 positions, if I recall 19.44.26 # Llorean: How do I retrive the wheel position 19.44.32 # There was a patch, that I *think* was eventually committed, dividing the wheel into 8 sections assignable as buttons in Rockboy 19.44.45 # yoavk: As I recommended earlier, look at Rockboy and see if it does it 19.44.50 # no he wants to know the absolute position 19.44.53 # I think too, that rockbox uses it 19.45.07 # eh Rockboy 19.45.30 # which I think isn't available 19.45.39 Join Bagder_ [0] (n=daniel@1-1-5-26a.hud.sth.bostream.se) 19.45.43 # I think those 96 increments are, or can be made to be. 19.46.22 # I mean like in turning and then releasing it, that 'position' isn't kept 19.46.33 # The touch wheel in G4 (grey/color), G5, Nano and Mini G2 can provide absolute position 19.46.33 # * petur gives up and runs off 19.46.35 # Ah, yes. 19.46.49 # If you release the wheel, there's no "position" any more 19.46.51 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@athedsl-276050.home.otenet.gr) 19.46.55 # The G1..G3 and Mini G1 wheel can not 19.47.12 # right... that was what I wanted to say ;) 19.47.22 # So How do I get the position??? 19.48.11 # yoavk: You don't need to repeat your question so often. 19.48.16 # And rockboy *does* use wheel position where available 19.48.23 # utsl 19.49.08 # Llorean: Sorry... you'r right 19.49.09 # yoavk: rb->wheel_status() 19.49.31 # yoavk: just look at the sources of other plugins 19.49.50 # markun: That value only changes when you actualy turn the wheel, not just touch it 19.50.32 # haha.... according to logbot, rtfm means "_please_ read the manual" 19.51.07 # logbot just tries to be polite ;) 19.51.21 #>> "is a polite... hmm... bot? ;)" by pixelma (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 19.51.52 # yoavk: I based it on line 97 of apps/plugins/rockboy/sys_rockbox.c 19.52.02 # * petur was in a good mood when he added that :) 19.53.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.53.29 # ts ts... censorship 19.54.11 # petur: hmm...you wrote the logbot? 19.54.28 # nah, just feeding some strings ;) 19.55.44 # * jhMikeS tries /msg logbot BEER and suprisingly no special messages 19.55.55 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 19.56.02 # jhMikeS: but try "explain beer" 19.56.24 # try OT :) 19.56.37 # I see :) 19.57.12 #>> "knows nothing about 'me' though :p" by jhMikeS (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 19.57.35 Nick parafin|away is now known as parafin (i=parafin@paraf.in) 19.57.36 # '*Shrug* I don't know' 19.58.05 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 19.58.06 # logbot: explain rtfm 19.58.19 # "seen desowin" "Yeah, I see you. Boy, you're ugly ;)" hehe 19.58.20 # hehe 19.58.45 # yeah, i've seen that one 19.59.53 # * jhMikeS thinks one should be added to answer questions about when ports will be done and such 20.00.50 Join trasman [0] (n=trasman@84-217-128-186.tn.glocalnet.net) 20.01.58 Quit Bagder (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.02.06 # when logbot stops sending notices and starts sending messages, i plan on adding a bunch of screens 20.02.28 # ? 20.02.36 Join rp- [0] (n=rp@193.154.222.107) 20.02.54 #>> "can do both, in fact I only knew about the messages until a few days ago" by amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 20.03.18 # i am saying channel messages...not channel-wide notices 20.03.21 # If you /msg logbot, the answer is also a message 20.03.38 # i know that...*channel* messages...just like this is 20.03.43 # Hi! Is there a way to sort the "list" from readdir() or some part of the code which is doing this? 20.05.18 # scorche: what screens? I can't imagine what that should be... 20.05.38 # pixelma: hrm? 20.07.07 # "i plan on adding a bunch of screens" <- what do you mean? links? 20.07.16 # rp-: The file browser does sort. Sorting needs a buffer in (precious) ram, that's why there is the files per dir limit setting 20.07.32 # readdir() returns entries in on-disk order 20.07.59 # pixelma: oh...yeah...i meant explain messages/triggers...not sure how that word slipped in there 20.08.37 # Why does that depend on messages (vs. notices)? 20.08.41 # now I see 20.08.53 Quit japc (Remote closed the connection) 20.08.53 # amiconn: file browser is implemented int filetree.c? 20.08.59 Quit Sammienator () 20.09.32 Quit trasman ("- nbs-irc 2.1 - www.nbs-irc.net -") 20.11.50 # amiconn: because notices are typically considered "annoying" in IRC as opposed to just a simple message like this (sorry if i am repeating this...it doesnt look like it has gone through on my end) 20.12.54 # notices have one weird effect they appear in whatever window you are in (even if it is an unrelated channel or a query window) - discoverd last week when logbot learned talking again 20.13.05 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.13.05 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 20.13.11 # yeah....people get very annoyed... 20.13.23 # although it depends on how the clients handle it 20.13.33 # Yeah, my client is very friendly with regard to notices. 20.13.46 # They show up as (Notice) blah blah, as a line in the normal chat by logbot. 20.13.54 # * amiconn can't see why notices would be annoying 20.13.55 # so, i would rather not use him (and the explain function) until he emits messages, rather than notices 20.14.18 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@79.20.209.3) 20.14.39 # amiconn: because not every client handles them the same...and many use them like pixelma sees 20.14.45 # They appear with just 2 tiny differences to normal messages here 20.15.01 # what client? 20.15.04 # Hydra 20.15.12 # same as mine 20.15.50 # then they are annoying in that they show up in whatever window you have active...if you are talking in another channel, you will see notices from here (or other channels that may use them, although people typically dont for this exact reason) 20.16.01 # Maybe they appear in another active window ... didn't notice that so far 20.16.09 # they do in hydra 20.16.46 # confirmed - and then they are not in the #rockbox tab 20.17.00 # If I didn't even notice that so far, it can't be annoying... 20.18.11 # i am in 20-25 channels on IRC...trust me...notices are VERY annoying 20.18.41 # same with channel-wide CTCPs 20.19.05 # I don't find it very annoying too but that probably depends on usage pattern (the more tabs and different channels with different aim the more annoying, I guess) 20.19.32 # There's an option in Hydra to disable notice forwarding 20.19.45 # i am just saying the "general IRC social rules" 20.21.02 # this isnt about fixing it personally for me...the proper way for a bot to speak is either in messages sent to the channel or private messages 20.22.17 # Is there an RFC on it? :-P 20.22.59 Join Crash91 [0] (n=Crash91@41.232.215.249) 20.23.41 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF797B.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.25.10 # it is just one of the IRC social norms, i guess you could also call it...just like how in real life, you whisper in certain situations rather than scream something out, etc 20.26.44 # Nico_P: When are you gonna look at FS#8335? 20.27.08 # kugel: I'll try to do it this evening but I can't promise you anyhting 20.27.38 # I guess you are quite busy today. 20.30.00 Part pask ("Ex-Chat") 20.31.47 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 20.35.26 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 20.41.44 # may it be, that the iPod video BMP for the Sim is labelled wrongly? 20.43.12 # I need someone with an ipod to test a patch 20.45.50 Join Mathiasdm2 [0] (n=Mathias@vpne128.ugent.be) 20.48.07 Join karashata [0] (n=Kimi@207.61.208.119) 20.50.46 # any volunteer? 20.51.31 # boo 20.51.38 Quit Crash91 ("Leaving") 20.53.14 Join maddlah [0] (n=maddler@217-133-171-24.b2b.tiscali.it) 20.53.14 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.54.10 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 20.55.27 Quit maddler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.56.32 Join madspin [0] (n=madspin@host86-145-73-14.range86-145.btcentralplus.com) 20.57.42 Join Mathias [0] (n=Mathias@d54C597B6.access.telenet.be) 20.59.20 Quit maddlah (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.59.34 Join DefineByte [0] (n=defineby@bb-87-81-195-5.ukonline.co.uk) 21.02.39 Quit Mathiasdm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.03.08 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpnf010.ugent.be) 21.03.14 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 21.03.22 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 21.04.24 Join maddler [0] (n=maddler@217-133-171-24.b2b.tiscali.it) 21.08.29 # please, can't someone help me? 21.08.58 # be patient :P 21.10.39 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B138FA.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.11.20 # krazykit: read guidelines; 21.11.30 # krazykit: what problem do you have? I'll try to help you if I can 21.11.45 # :? 21.12.44 # I don't think krazykit has a problem 21.13.21 # mrkiko, i know the guidelines. i was simply telling kugel to be patient. 21.13.55 # I think he means me 21.14.51 # krazykit: in fact; It was just I was wrong; i red the nick and pasted the text just in the wrong window :) 21.14.54 # sorry 21.15.02 # I'm using irssi and my alt key doesn't work allways reliably 21.15.57 Quit Mathiasdm2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.16.10 Join Mathiasdm2 [0] (n=Mathias@vpnf010.ugent.be) 21.16.24 Part pixelma 21.16.40 Quit Mathias (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.17.03 Quit Mathiasdm2 (Client Quit) 21.19.05 # :O 21.19.10 # www.rockbox.org is down? 21.19.45 # no 21.21.08 # hm i added 2 functions to the plugin_api and i'm getting this warning, when compiling: 21.21.11 # case 5: 21.21.14 # rb->strcpy(buffer, its_a_dir ? "" : str_md5); 21.21.16 # ups sorry 21.21.46 # Can't read www.rockbox.org/index.html 21.21.47 # plugin.c:568: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type 21.22.11 # but the functions are working, at least in the simulator 21.23.12 Nick gromit`` is now known as P (i=gromit@ras75-5-82-234-244-69.fbx.proxad.net) 21.23.17 Nick P is now known as gromit (i=gromit@ras75-5-82-234-244-69.fbx.proxad.net) 21.24.25 # why does logbot send notices sometimes? 21.25.31 # because he is currently programmed that way 21.25.50 # and what's the point? 21.26.16 # * scorche|w shrugs 21.26.21 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 21.26.33 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.26.36 # * petur received a 50pin to CF adapter :) 21.26.37 Join the_big_man [0] (n=the_big_@nocat-2.cs.UVic.CA) 21.26.55 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.27.04 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B138FA.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.27.08 Quit stewball (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.27.30 Join ruskie [0] (i=ruskie@sourcemage/mage/ruskie) 21.27.39 # lo 21.27.51 Quit Mathiasdm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.28.35 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p549641C4.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.29.05 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.29.57 # hi 21.30.08 # is the sansa c240 supported by rockbox? 21.30.42 Quit yoavk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.30.57 # depends on the hw version I think 21.31.49 # asume latest as I doubt the stores have anything earlier 21.32.23 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 21.32.34 # I'm trying to find some player that would be supported and that I could get localy 21.32.43 # * petur looks around for sansa people 21.33.01 # the sansa c240 and e250 are the only ones I could find that are even remotely mentioned... 21.33.06 # other choices are iriver t20 21.33.14 # and then there's not much more... 21.33.29 # The e200 and c200 version 1 hardware is supported 21.33.37 # The v2 hardware isn't, unfortunately that's what's likely to be in stock 21.33.44 # thought so 21.33.50 # If you can look at the box, look for "Audible" support. if it has that, its a v2 21.34.59 # xAnd the iRiver T20? Is it supported? 21.35.22 # No 21.35.26 # can't find it mentioned at all on the rockbox page :) 21.35.38 # The only supported players are those listed on the front page of the site. 21.36.10 # * mrkiko feels a little stupid :) 21.37.57 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 21.38.33 # * amiconn hopes to be able to add another target to that list soon :) 21.38.39 # msg Bagder_ linux3 verkar död. vet du om nÃ¥gon snackat med jon? 21.38.55 # Is anyone here willing to my patch nwo? 21.38.57 # matsl: Forgot / ? 21.39.05 # jupp ;-) 21.39.11 # sorry 21.39.19 # hmm someone is claiming that the sansa e260 has a replacable os... 21.40.06 # e250/260/280 are all supported 21.40.14 # ruskie: someone ? rockbox runs on those, atleat on v1 version of this device.. :-) 21.40.34 # yeah as everyone keeps saying v1 21.40.34 # er i guess 270 also 21.40.36 # :) 21.41.03 # but I'm not willing to pay 120 eur for it :) 21.41.37 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.41.39 # ruskie: buy it in us dollars.. its cheaper :-) 21.41.50 # the c240 is 56 eur... I'd be happy with that... IF I know for a fact it can run rockbox... I'll have to ask when I go buy an ups tomorrow... 21.42.24 # * Llorean paid $16 US for his C240, but it was refurbished 21.42.49 # I tried the old stuff on sale... can't find anything usable... :( 21.42.51 # does anyone here use amarok with a rockbox player? 21.42.57 # or it's insanely priced... 21.43.12 # Llorean: $16 O_O 21.43.27 # that's dirt cheap... lucky bast... 21.43.43 # ruskie: where are you buying? you get a e250 for less than 50€ 21.43.58 # kugel, nowhere yet :) 21.44.00 # just looking around 21.44.11 # so far all prices aronud here I found were in the 100eur+ range 21.45.08 # for 250? 21.45.13 # A question to the "development team": will in your opinion rockbox be ported to other players in the future? 21.45.16 # yup 21.45.23 # ruskie: amazon has a e250 for 66€ .. 21.45.25 # don't let them fool you 21.45.37 # amiconn: which player are you hoping to add official support for? 21.45.45 # iAudio M3 21.45.54 # Just won an ebay auction 21.45.58 # mrkiko: thats for sure, but no timeline.. :-) 21.46.07 Quit Thundercloud_ (Remote closed the connection) 21.46.29 # and as amiconn bought a m3.. maybe we will see a port for this ? :-) 21.47.09 # amiconn: do you know how i can get rid of the compiler warning "initialization from incompatible pointer type", when adding a function to the plugin_api structure? 21.47.16 # sansa clip and express aren't supported right? 21.47.35 # ruskie: no.. 21.47.36 # ruskie: ONLY the players on the front page of the site 21.47.48 # rp-: By using the correct pointer type.... in 99.9% of all cases gcc is right that you did something wrong somewhere 21.50.25 # ahh damn, added a const, which i forgot in the header, thank you 21.51.19 # bah I wish all of these player makers would standardise on rockbox for the firmware... 21.51.51 # buy.com currently has the e250 refurbished for 35$ US. Which is a pretty good imho. 21.52.15 # I'm not paying for the over-atlantic shipping :) 21.52.27 # would cost more than the device 21.52.51 # Nico_P: Sure, just don't be too impatient ;) 21.53.01 # ruskie: no..only around 8.80 USD 21.53.13 # scorche|w, not in my experience... 21.53.22 # I probably won't be able to start porting to M3 before Jan 2008 21.53.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.53.33 # but anyway no big loss... 21.53.54 # I'll just wait for the neo1973... then I actually won't need anything else... 21.53.55 # ruskie: i have sent a LOT of devices to various rockbox folks around here...trust me when i say a sansa costs 8.80 USD to send abroad 21.54.08 # scorche|w, when "you" send it... 21.54.15 # exactly.. 21.54.19 # not when $random_commercial_entity sends it 21.54.32 # then dont have them send it, and use someone in the US.. 21.55.01 # US mail seems to be dead cheap compared to europe... 21.55.35 # there's VAT to pay for stuff being imported... so I guess that's a chunk as well 21.55.40 Quit faemir (Remote closed the connection) 21.55.48 # Is someone able to suggest me a place ( or directly buy for me) a iRivr remote controller? 21.55.54 # ruskie: not if it is marked as a gift.. 21.55.55 # I actuallyt can't browse ebay... 21.56.19 # I need a non-lcd remote cotroller... for the H3xx serie 21.56.20 # Fuel prices in the US vs Europe is likely the culpit. 21.57.05 # well I do have a shuffle and some no-name brand player... though neither support oggs... but it's livable for now... 21.57.17 # ruskie: if it's under 45 euro (incl. postage) and sent as gift then you don't have to worry about customs/VAT 21.57.39 # was merly thinking of getting some cheap player that I could throw rockbox on and use as my main player for both music and audio books... 21.59.35 # The problem of people searching for players to install rockbox in is becoming frequent; it would be so beautiful having a manufacturer selling out it's players with rockbox installed in. 21.59.44 # yup 22.00.00 # Do manufacturers know rockbox? 22.00.34 # from a bastard point of view, this way they may be able to send theyr players at a lower price: they will not need someone to develop a firmware for them, right? 22.00.55 # mrkiko, Sandisk certainly does, and I would be surprised if other ones did not. 22.01.11 # It may be a little sad consideration for people spending time and passion on robkcox, but would be helpful... 22.01.28 # well for the time being the hack should work... i.e. listen to audio book then somehow store position on the hdd wipe install music... listen until next wipe restore... but I haven't yet figured out how to get last played song from the shuffle... 22.01.34 # krazykit: why do you think so? 22.02.01 Join faemir [0] (n=daniel@85-211-25-197.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk) 22.02.06 Part salty-horse ("Leaving") 22.02.08 # Part of the problem with a manufacturer shipping with Rockbox installed, is that then people will expect them to provide support for Rockbox 22.02.29 # well why not? 22.02.29 # mrkiko, well, Sandisk sent a few players to someone, along with a dev. board. the others, i suspect they keep an eye on what people do with their hardware. 22.02.50 # it would provide a common platform to standardize support on... 22.02.58 # no retraining for new stuff 22.03.09 # mhm... 22.03.21 # the support consideration effectively is a problem... 22.03.23 # ruskie, yeah, but you lose the sell point of DRM, so online music stores' music won't work 22.03.42 # can't they install their own plugins that would do DRM? 22.03.48 # no need to discuss this here, discuss it with the manufacturers :-) 22.03.56 # krazykit: hm... 22.04.07 Nick Bagder_ is now known as Bagder (n=daniel@1-1-5-26a.hud.sth.bostream.se) 22.04.08 # DRM is dying, thankfully 22.04.09 # ruskie: Not really 22.04.13 # but DRM seems to be dying anyway 22.04.16 # Llorean, how come? 22.04.16 # Plugins are linked to the binary, and under the same license. 22.04.24 # ahh 22.04.30 # ruskie: infact 22.04.32 # But, supporting it is also a problem. 22.04.37 # but, as I know: we can use a DRM 22.04.42 # As it's open source, anyone can provide unofficial versions. 22.04.58 # mrkiko: Open Source and DRM cannot mix effectively. 22.05.00 # theoretically you could build a lgpl plugin whitch loads the proprietary drm plugin. :-) 22.05.08 # Domonoky: Wouldn't work effectively though 22.05.19 # If you can play back the music in an open source program, you can also dump the decrypted stream to disk. 22.05.36 # sure.. but you would have drm support.. :-) 22.05.41 # Domonoky: not really 22.05.44 # so: we only provide support for original XXXX-$manufacturerstring-$version firmware and hardware 22.06.00 # kinda solves that 22.06.46 # or they could TiVo-ize it... but in a more friendly manner... i.e. you can request the key and thus lose all support for your device related to software 22.07.12 Quit desowin ("KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/") 22.08.17 # The problem is just one: DRM is wrong. Rockbox is right! :) 22.08.32 Join japc [0] (n=japc@bl7-241-82.dsl.telepac.pt) 22.08.46 # anyway need to get some rest... nyx all 22.09.04 # nyx ? 22.10.12 Quit Siku () 22.11.36 # May be you can let them install tyheyr only closed-source brandizzed version of rockbox, making for them mandatory releasing some important source code parrts - hardware handling one and boot loaders especially. 22.11.54 # I know I'm insulting the GPL .. . 22.11.59 # that violates the GPL. 22.12.16 # but rockbox is too big, too good; it simply rocks ... 22.12.48 # krazykit: ... effectively yes, but (if you want) you can put various exceptions for specific cases. 22.13.08 Quit OlivierBorowski (Remote closed the connection) 22.13.39 # mrkiko: then that isnt the GPL 22.13.58 # and rockbox would have to re-license everything 22.14.08 # eha... effectively... 22.14.32 Quit J3TC- (Connection timed out) 22.14.36 Quit karashata (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- In tests, 0x09 out of 0x0A l33t h4x0rz prefer it :)") 22.16.16 Nick parafin is now known as parafin|away (i=parafin@paraf.in) 22.16.29 # From a project like this , rockbox may benefit a lot, but ... 22.16.41 # you spent a lot of love on developing rockbox - gpl should be respected... 22.16.45 # and now - good night all! 22.16.50 # and good rockbox to all! 22.16.55 Quit mrkiko ("leaving") 22.20.26 Quit freqmod_nx (Remote closed the connection) 22.20.37 Join freqmod_nx [0] (i=freqmod@dhcp208-90.ed.ntnu.no) 22.25.24 Join Wtjoker [0] (n=wtjoker@s208-180-96-159.amarcmta01.amartx.sta.suddenlink.net) 22.25.31 # knock knock 22.25.49 # who's there? 22.25.50 # where can i get the windows driver for a 4th gen 40gb ipod? 22.26.02 # detected "rockbox media" 22.26.02 # where can i get the windows driver for a 4th gen 40gb ipod? who? 22.26.05 # lol 22.26.18 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 22.26.34 # just ignore any driver pop-ups 22.26.37 # rockbox is installed and working, but when i connect to windows it wants a driver for "rockbox media player" 22.26.39 # oh ok 22.26.48 # i knew my sansa had a driver 22.26.49 # Wtjoker: there is no such driver...that is part of the in-progress USB functionality...just boot into disk mode 22.27.04 # k, how do i set disk mode 22.27.13 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.28.07 # i noticed it doesnt show up in windows explorer 22.28.13 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 22.28.37 Quit J (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.28.42 # the manual says how...as do many many google results 22.29.02 Quit moos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.30.40 Quit Wtjoker () 22.31.43 Join UncleRem1s [0] (n=caj@81-234-174-183-no95.tbcn.telia.com) 22.32.00 Quit UncleRem1s (Client Quit) 22.36.06 Join eigma [0] (n=cat@OTWAON23-1279380686.sdsl.bell.ca) 22.36.47 Join bluebrother [0] (n=Dom@16.106.113.82.net.de.o2.com) 22.37.26 Quit davina (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.38.13 # Domonoky: I just commited a change to exclude the sapi script from non-windows builds ... 22.38.20 # solution was rather easy ;-) 22.42.39 # ah, bluebrother, got an internet connection now? 22.42.53 # pixelma: not really -- using my phone 22.43.10 Quit hcs ("Leaving.") 22.43.13 # no "real" internet until next year :( 22.43.15 # I see 22.43.50 # at least I can do a bit of stuff on the net again. 22.44.10 # next year isn't too far away 22.44.57 # if you would have had some more time, I'd liked to discuss the "feature.txt > UseOptions" idea 22.45.04 # fortunately, yes. I hope I get a dsl setup quick ... going to move to my final home this week 22.48.40 Quit eigma () 22.49.07 # ok, see you guys another time. 22.49.11 Quit bluebrother ("bye") 22.49.12 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 3.0b3pre/2007121705]") 22.50.59 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 22.52.43 Join safetydan [0] (n=safetyda@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 22.53.26 Quit rp- ("leaving") 22.55.24 # anyone free to commit a couple of minor patches (8313, 8323)? 22.56.38 Join qweru [0] (n=kvirc@bb-87-80-66-156.ukonline.co.uk) 22.57.16 Quit mf0102 ("Verlassend") 23.00.37 # these patches have been discussed recently - must check the outcome 23.00.42 # Can now anyone with an iPod test my patch? 23.00.53 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 23.02.45 # petur, really? I remember a brief mention but I thought they were generally approved with the bulk of the discussion turning to 'folder' versus 'directory'. Has it been discussed since? 23.02.59 # checking... 23.03.10 # :) 23.04.09 Quit Axio` () 23.05.30 # Damn, obviously noone wants to help improving rockbox. 23.05.44 # one step over the line 23.06.00 # kugel: nope, not a single person 23.06.12 # j/k, but I really need someone to test this 23.06.55 # is this a patch in the tracker? 23.06.58 # kugel: What's wrong with posting a patch and waiting? 23.07.24 # I don't want to post an unfinished test, if I could find a person for a quick test 23.07.58 # do you think the patch tracker is only for completed patches? 23.08.01 # DefineByte: are you already in the credits? 23.08.12 # i think the guidlines pretty much state that. 23.08.17 # yeah, I am 23.08.22 # scorche|w: No, of course not 23.09.11 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 23.10.04 Quit japc (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.11.01 # Man I hope the tracker isn't for completed patches. I think I've got about three unfinished ones floating around in there. 23.12.42 # DefineByte: The tracker is for any patch so long as it's working toward completion/acceptance. 23.13.11 # oh, I know. I just thought the wording suggested otherwise. 23.13.18 # I might be remembering it wrong though 23.14.04 # DefineByte: which David B are you? 23.14.16 # bishop :) 23.14.23 # ok 23.14.57 # I guess I mean this "Submitting a patch implies the assumption you want to get it included into Rockbox." 23.15.22 Quit ender` (" Logic is a systematic method of coming to the wrong conclusion with confidence.") 23.15.31 # which I guess means a final revision but could imply the actual version you're submitting 23.16.12 # so I guess the "Charge During USB Connection" option is there to switch it off in case you have your device on a port which is not providing enough power? 23.20.31 # makes sense. 23.23.02 Quit matsl (Remote closed the connection) 23.24.16 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.24.20 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 23.24.49 # I've found that that option doesn't seem to do anything on my gigabeat 23.24.57 # it carges even though it's set to no 23.25.02 # charges^ 23.26.20 # hmm... I'd like to know what to write in the manual. Currently it's not even listed... 23.27.04 # *under construction* :0 23.27.32 Quit faemir (Remote closed the connection) 23.28.11 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 23.28.17 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 23.29.25 # i think this option set if rockbox should go into usb mode, or not ( be able to play songs while charging), of course no usb mode on pp till now.. :-) 23.30.35 # thanks a lot petur. :D 23.30.59 # anything that stops nagging :p 23.31.23 # hey, you shouldn't say that. you'll only encourage me 23.31.31 # ;) 23.31.58 # * petur suddenly remembers how he was before he had commit access :) 23.32.27 # heh, one day (hopes) 23.32.41 # Domonoky: no, I don't think so. It's only there on Gigabeat, H300 and FM-Rec (looking in the sim) and this option is in the "Battery" menu... 23.33.14 # My 5.5g ipod has that 'charge during usb connection' option 23.33.17 # and it's set to off 23.33.23 # and it still charges when it's connected via usb... 23.34.03 # ah yes, Ipods could have that too but for example my M5 doesn't 23.34.05 Join J3TC- [0] (n=jetc123@pool-72-76-187-15.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) 23.34.33 Quit petur ("gtg") 23.38.07 Quit hcs (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.38.14 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 23.38.41 Join japc [0] (n=japc@bl7-241-82.dsl.telepac.pt) 23.42.28 Quit Domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.46.18 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 23.51.30 # So guys. since I couldn't find someone to test, I posted it without testing: FS#8341 23.51.35 # anyone want to commit fs#8340? :) 23.53.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.54.50 # n1s: FS#8341, I hope you like it